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The Great Mega Greenwell say hi mega high from RAF it was that was actual doozy Esam. I like it. We've got got you and Louise Tweaks in a row actual genuine excitability on the dead gas. I'm ready for also brains and talent and all of that other stuff but yeah all all that Shit <hes> we have with no Oh sports to talk about whatsoever sedans shittiest week of the sports here <hes> and so we're GONNA do a summer fun back you ready for that green well. I Love Fun and bags. Oh God perfect because we have both it great great measure sure <hes> also I should tell you the white team starts the wired team sucks starts next week <hes> on Monday and I._R._A.. have too many emails but if you want to sneak one in at the last second email major it's been dot com but w white E._S.. And then your team name in the subject had your team sucks and maybe I will deign to add it to the preview but that is up to my sole discretion and no one else but you have to add the caveat which is that you can only say why your team sucks who can't say why anybody else's team sucks. That's right and actually most people are really good about abiding by that sometimes once in a while you'll be like we were the packers your bad unlike Pakistan fuck you know what <hes> Carson writes in Meghan he says what is the best way to research French fries at a restaurant. More Morrissey restaurants gained cute with a little fryer baskets on your plate as they just pull it out of the friar to me. This denies me fries by putting them in a finite space same those middle cylinders it may mimic McDonald's fried carton. It's all nonsense. I believe fries should be saved in served in a heaping mound next year entree on the same plate or servants separate basketball together. There's only began from this trend a fancy French fry receptacles. You're still serving deep fried potatoes over yourself green well. How do you like your French? Fries served and don't give me a over which was actually sucked take. Let's just assume French. Fries are good tresor grade. I mean it's a finite number of fries. No no matter how you serve them just want to make that really clear because that seemed confusing from the question but he's right. I mean the problem with doing it. In like a vertical container is the ones that the bottom get all soggy and nobody wants that I think the proper way to serve them is in one of those like red kind of Mesh baskets where they can like spread out. That's a ton of fries to <hes> so you got to lead Mesh Basket. He got your line of like that tissue paper stuff they do and and they've got a whole bunch of super crispy fries on top. I think I'm all right with that. I don't mind the <hes> there's two. There's two different things. There's one is like not it's it's middle cylinder doesn't Mimic McDonald's carton but it's like literally round and they stack them vertically in there so that are trapped on the bottom although inevitably few trapped on the bottom and I still eat them and that only works with like steak fries like how some solidity and steak fries suck yeah. It's not not it's not that good. I appreciate it but actually I find that it's limiting like a basket when they give you a basket. It's four billion fries and that gives you when they give this little cylinder. You're getting like getting a number number. You can count which I don't want in my my little FRY universe <hes> also the the other thing is I need a place to place the catch up so the basket like you need place to put the catch up so you got you got either. Fill one of the stupid stupid Little Paper Cup thing us and Nestle in there like it's like it's egg in a robins nests or you you have to scored it like you have to clear out a little bit of room in the basket on like the the the cleared out greased up wax paper her yeah that far out a bunch of like in the corner so it doesn't go. Here's my real take if you're at a restaurant. You don't have to do that because you have a plate. I actually think fries are like a terrible ballpark food because precisely precisely because of the ketchup issue. It's just too complicated to eat like when you're crammed into your seat and like balancing it all on your knees. I think fries should not happen at the ballpark other guy should i. I agree with that with ballpark food. You need a food food. That is the only one hand that you only need one hand to manage right like a hot hot dog. You have one hand you have to be on the other hand that all makes sense but if you have to like if you have to rip open tiny ketchup packets and yeah like you said like rested on on your fucking on your knees and like holderness a little bit close together you know so that everything bounces so there's not like a wide Gulf because I'm this is more of a me problem because I'm a guy so I put my knees in different time. Zones as Virginia may spread like there's no tomorrow so like I have just sort of. I have to put my knees closer together like I'm sitting on the toilet and then rested you know carefully like place the the box of fries there here and that's not that's not as good as if you gave me a hotdog or if you gave me a gigantic like tub of popcorn that I can just guzzle straight without even reaching into it right or at the very least they should serve fries in the containers they serve <hes> Ballpark Nachos in where it has the special little carved out cup for the cheese. Sometimes the next level because like nachos are my Go-to ballpark food because I mean you can kind of balance them on one knee and then you just like dip each chip. If it's a dip situation sometimes they just pour the cheese on top and that's obviously better but <hes> but not as our good good stadium food yo you serve it to me in a fucking hat oh yeah hat nachos good hat NACHOS and an ad for us. The other thing that they do now is as a place nearby that my kids like to go to and they always will go and I say we can't because it's cost too much but they're like MC shut up but they serve fries and it's like a Belgian joint so they they do that thing where it's a paper cone and the paper cone is nestled into like a wire basket. It's very ornate Sop and there's like there's a there's a little flanked coupled or off to the side that has managed it which is discussing star right out and and and so in the spring parsley on top because the kids love partially on fries and that's like a whole new thing where you will give it to you in a cone like you're walking down the streets of Brussels shit like <hes> and it's it's ornate for my chest. We'd rather now. That's too much. I read just have it by the way do you ever order fries for breakfast at a diner instead of hashbrowns no but that's a great call right like it's there's really the only reason the only reason to not order French fries for breakfast is because society would dictate it like you can't have long fried potatoes. They have to be very short fried potatoes. If you go to a diner French fries for breakfast they don't give a shit and it's it's not bad. It's not a bad way to soak up the alcohol then I'm GonNa do this. I'm going to do this at the weird time square diner around the corner from the office. I think you ought to John writes in. Does it rude to show up to get a haircut with sweaty hair. I say this because I assume it isn't says it's been a say ninety degrees here and I sweat sweat like a method. I'm weeks overdue for a haircut. My wife says I'm crazy in there used to it why wait for a decent weather day. Cut It myself or just apologize tip. Well Greenwald gotten a haircut sweaty hair actually have a very recent story about this which is that last week. I was on TV talking about the U._S.. Women's national team and when you're on T._v.. You go to the studio and you get early to go in the green room and they do your makeup in your hair <hes> and it was ninety five degree day and it was super humid and I got there and I was sweating and I felt so bad because this woman was like touching my face jason touching my hair anyway she finally came over with like cold like <hes> blow dryer set to the cold setting and the back of my neck with it and it was very luxurious but it also made me feel super barris that I had come in a sweaty mess to like this place where like you you know. Glamorous people are on T._v.. It was very bad anyway. I don't think there's any way to avoid it. You can't not get a haircut man like just go get a haircut. Your wife can stand looking at you but <hes> just bring a handkerchief and like wipe the worst of it off but yeah I basically it's fine. Also men don't men get <hes> their hair washed at the barbershop before it gets cut or no. Is that only women no you have to pay extra get it wash okay pay extra to get it washed. Who fucking cheapskate? I don't I never get wash I should my wife cuts my air but that's besides the point like when you go to the irregular barbershop the barbone all that stuff they can wash your hair but they would make backtra. If you don't get the if you don't get the hair wash and most guys down when they get the spray bottle and they spritz your hair to make it wet and as fucking ass cold water and you nipples get super hard right away and you're like all gods or and then and then they cut it so if you have sweaty hair it's gross but it's nothing to Barbara hasn't seen before like he's cutting old man hair and like just grow scalps all the time yeah and you're sort of your store pre moistening it for him anyway and he's GonNa Sprays Guy. Give you the the Arctic Spritz Spritz so that will also mix together so I don't think it's that big of a deal because I think it's okay together sounds gross and I think you should pay whatever extra is like five bucks and just get your hair washed by the way speaking of makeup they his hot like I've done the T._v.. Thing to take a sponge they put foundation on your like Donald Trump and all that stuff yes like it's still fucking hot. It's horrible. It's Chris. It's like wearing a mask on hot day. It's disgusting. It is great though because then you look so good like I came home that night and my husband had forgotten that I had done T._v.. That day and he was like you really nice today and like you household. That's because I'm wearing T._v.. Makeup this is not what I normally look like he bring Maurice to theaters a kid and you'd have to put on a lot of makeup and the lights were really bright and all that stuff and if you came off the stage it was. Is Clear you're wearing makeup and it looked all fucking weird shit when you're on the stage at all made sense with the light and all that stuff but it was like kate on like it felt like you had like a felt lining all over your face like for two hours is what people are staring at you and like you're sweating all that stuff. It was horrible I I would like. I don't wear makeup normally even though I did for Jiyu assignment but if they have lighter makeup somehow the like make up that he's just a really invisible. I'd be for that yeah yeah the way they do it. I've I've done T._v.. Where they put on like the plastic stuff where you just look really fake and you have to take it off immediately but I I will say that the M._S._N._B._C. Makeup people which is where I have most recently done T._v.? They just made me look great. It was like I would seriously pay them to be in my home every morning and just like make me look like still pretty normal. Oh but like very beautiful give you the full Mika to. They give you up like a Blonde Bob. No no no they were like you want natural right and I was like yeah just like Uis like you can't make me look too nice or all explode or something and <hes> yeah went really well. Is You when you went on TV. You're on Cable News television. Did you feel the socio apathy seeping within your brain and slowly taking root yeah you became a T._v.. Person I mean it's hard not to either feel very uncomfortable or just totally go along with it. <hes> and maybe a little of both it's. It's a very strange medium for maybe three minutes total. They like sent a car to my house to bring me on for three minutes total. It was very odd sir. They don't pay you but they're like. We'll give you a rod. That's what they host right. Which of your coming from Brooklyn to Rockefeller Center on a weekday morning is just is GonNa yeah? It's GonNa take twice as long than it would on the Goddamn subway but <hes> but still you're like riding in a towncar. Let's take a break. We have more fun that coming right up. It's more fun that we have an actual sports question and the trump questions we own one eliza budgets from questions but I go <hes> this from Jay Nagin. He says had Federer won Wimbledon. I'm sure that trump would have been vitamins. The White House for burgers since Federer's rich white and trump probably thinks Federer's American anyway he might but there's no way Federer accepts rights. There's no way fetter more than any human alive oozes European this the trump doesn't want anything to do with that. He would never mistake him for an American. I reject the premise yeah. I don't know that I don't know that trump even knows that tennis exists outside of country clubs so I don't think he would invite et Cetera to the White House but had he. I think Federer would go. I don't there's nothing about federal. It strikes me as and I might be wrong. Here is the most socially active guy like he appears Gillette ads once in awhile and that's it yeah he he seems like a real like Michael Jordan style Republicans by sneakers to type of yeah. I still don't think I think trump would be to Gauche for him to hang out with you. You know again. He chooses class. That's his whole thing. He's the only person who looks normal when he dresses and like Wimbledon whites <hes>. I just don't think I can't see those two hanging out together or either there of them agreeing to hang out with the other it was amazing. I I watched the match <hes> on Sunday and and neither guy broke a sweat even though the match lasted like five fucking hours log imaginable in history in the men's final and and <HES> and you're right federal look perfectly at home in his whites and looks like he had Asia fucking day since the for semi set foot backward like his handsomeness is almost terrifying to be old he has four children and he still looks like that and act like that and I don't understand that's nuts that it has any energy at all yeah as poor wife was in the Santa. She was having a nervous breakdown covering your face which covered her face would see you see her. Engagement ring in Iraq was the size of a fucking doc in meteorite and she was still very very tense and you're and I was like it's okay just pulling the ring. You'll be okay yeah. No it's true also all they have two sets of identical twins who I guess we're like back at the hotel or whatever but I wanted to see the kids freaking out. They're old enough now that I think they would. Maybe are you allowed to bring kids into. Maybe not because they just the rules new children's these dreadful food children. I'M GONNA look that up as an expert drew writes in this is not me off by myself eating breakfast at Greasy Spoon diners where my total comes to nine dollars or ten dollars a Ho oh what a world that would eh what does the etiquette on giving such situations twenty percent here. Two dollars feels Miceli. Should I do five bucks every time no matter what what should drew tip at a greasy spoon. I feel like greasy spoon. Waiter is a tough job so if it's not a big deal for you to tip five bucks instead of two bucks I mean this is true in all tipping situations just like air on the side of tipping more I agree to bucks is a little miserly even if it is technically twenty percent so just <hes> <hes> yeah go up to five. I think five or if you have if you don't have a five if you have a few extra bucks I think that's fine. You can do that yeah. That's seems fine by the way children are Wimbledon. Children who are over five years old and they're under twelve going all courts. If there are accompanied by an adult they must have their own ticket and beyond their best behavior not not disturbing spectators in any way any child under the age of sixteen must be governed by an adult so they could've brought their <hes> their kids assuming we have thirty seven or something to I think made it a little ones are like to the bigger ones yeah so the couple has nine year old daughters and and four year old sons so the girls could go myla and Charlene ooh. Maybe they had to be trusted. Yeah they got double twins which suggests that they had the kids at a relatively older age so I could could see <hes> <hes> yes degrees spoon diner yeah. If you have a few more bucks to give the poor waiter I would do that because because they have to wait eighty-seven tables at once everyone's everyone's Hungary and tired cranky at the greasy spoon. <hes> Kyle writes in what is the most difficult crime to commit. We do not have to get away with friends. I've decided the treasonous pretty hard for the average person. The one guy is convinced as answer of regicide chilling monarch should count. I'm not GonNa Count Register regicide. What is the most difficult everyday crime to commit greenwell assuming and and assuming that you do not have to get away with it? I mean all of the asshole. White-collar crimes seem really hard like I don't know how I would pull call off insider trading because I don't know enough rich guys but it's not if you did know rich guy. It wouldn't be that difficult well no but I thought the question was like for me. You know it's true calling a monarch though that's a good one. I'm trying I think because I was thinking about I'm thinking I'm framing Kyle's question physically as opposed to sorta logistically or you know or you know depending upon like whether or not I have a really vast linked in account yeah profile shit like that but I we'll see where you're going. Assassination seems really hard to pull off these days says yes I would I would agree with that. Assassinations pretty hard straight up murder nut so hard hard now well. You'd have to bring yourself to do it and of course that would be armed. Yes but the actual just pointing a gun that somebody would be very easy is in fact way too easy in this country true. Yes yeah tomorrow and kill somebody if I wanted to I wouldn't I have to make Eric for everybody listening that I wouldn't but what what about poisoning somebody. That seems easy enough. I bet you can find all sorts of red at threads about how to do that. I feel like I've watched too many like think panther movies in like sitcoms to not have like trying to poisons of my turn into like a whole thing or like I try to poison their wine but they drink from the wrong cop and then I actually drink isolated from that cup and then I go then they go after wait. Another Day empoisoned a biscuit and they feed the biscuits the dog and the dog mcdyess and shit like that yeah you don't want your crime to turn into a comedy of errors. That's for sure now. It's true <hes> I'm trying to think of other ones. I think hijacking a plane although that's given our history as a country that's <hes> I I should not be so flip about that answer but let's say hijacking a boss I might be a little bit difficult is it. I mean I mean it depends how many people are on the bus to fight you yeah but what if there's like a deranged hobos bite me or some shit like that you know yeah just the whole idea of like. I don't think I have the leadership skills or the confrontation skills feels like I'm the guy who has like I have my wife's return things for me if I think that they're going to be trouble because I'm too afraid of because I'm a total plus so so I don't know that I would be able to work up the nerve to go up to a bus driver. Be like actually were going Cleveland. Let's celebrate gum right back more fuck bag. We can't get enough. Steve writes in Lebron. James have been dominant East sports player if he'd start trading at a young age I feel like for first person person. Shooters is lightning reflexes superior hand eye coordination and ability predict how plays unfold would make him unstoppable. Would you agree with that Megan. I think I do agree with that and also here's a take for which I'm sure one hundred nerds will yell at me. I think anybody could be an elite east sports player if they started at an early age because I hear what you're saying reflect speed et cetera matters but all of that is trainable and and it's basically muscle memory so have you start doing it when you're three and just like train as if it's you know an elite sport the to our professional in then I think anybody would be fine at it. I can't start training now and become a lead at it but. How'd I started at an early enough? Age had this existed. When I was a child I two would be an elite athlete so yes Lebron but also me well? Luckily for current sports players who are dominant. There are no young kids who play video JIO Games trading an early age unwittingly. You know right yes. I don't agree with you. I don't think Lebron would be a dominant East sports player Bizarre Training Young Age. He's not pasty enough. His fingers are too long. I'm like I think I think you need to have those gamer hands like they have to greasy fingernails and the the controllers made essentially for you know really for people who do not have oversight hands for people who have relatively normal hands and you have to be willing to be willing to sit there and you know and mainline monster energy drink and play fucking call of duty until five A._M.. Every day and I just don't I don't know if Lebron wired to be that inactive you have to have that special sedentary gene which I have that allows you to sit on your ass like a player like Poker Player at a Vegas Casino for twenty hours straight straight without even getting up to Piss and that I think is what helps you train but I can't. I don't know I don't know if I could buy Lebron's dominant sports player. The happy size is really a good point. His hand would just swallow one of those controllers yeah see it's the opposite the N._F._l.. where I I have to measure hand size concerned with your answer too big for the N._F._l.? Is like Oh. I don't know if he has an talent. Maybe they should start making controllers in different sizes for different hand sizes like not not everybody in M._l._b.. Uses the same size bad it depends on how big you are nor the same sized love nor the same size glove <music>. I don't WANNA give I don't WanNa give Sony or Microsoft assault this idea I want to manufacture my own big hand magnum condom controller to sell the people and I wanNa make the profit on now. It's my idea okay. Call just checking colonels writes writes in could Nobel laureate John Nash Beautiful Mind Have Gotten better mentally in today's Internet Echo Chamber like what he would he have not posted about the hallucinations conspiracy plots and there'd be some Bubba or anti vaccine going like right on dude yeah is e._M._C. Deep Saint Conspiracy Agenda Twenty one in the CIA Wu he would he have been able to have gotten better and by the way that is a relative term as it applies to John Nash because he never got better he met he figure out a way to manage is neurosis <hes> but would the Internet of today have exacerbated is problem back when he was first discovering it yeah I mean I think it would have had to I mean I'm sure like treatment has better now but I just read a book about Writers Experience With Schizophrenia. She's like in her thirties. It's called the collected schizophrenia is <hes> it's worth reading <hes> and a lot of it was about how she would get sucked in and if she was reading a novel or reading something on the Internet get sucked into whatever world that was <hes> so I have to imagine the Internet is making pretty much. Anybody's mental health worse. That's actually I mean gene. Curses question very is relatively light but it speaks to a potentially much greater societal problem those currently being exacerbated and not really addressed in any serious matter yeah now. I think that's right. I mean look the Goddamn president. You know some coup <hes> J._D.. Writes in what's something you've seen in T._v.. Movies that won't happen to you but you have an idea of what it would really be like like I've never been to prison earn the plane crash or stranded on desert island by feel like I go out those would work to you. I'm rewatching the good wife right now which is just a great show Juliana Margaritas fantastic and so oh. I'm now convinced I would be an absolutely phenomenal trial lawyer. I'm not that interested in it but I do feel like I've never watched law and order in a serious way but I think this is how law and order fans feel to like I just feel alike. I now Emma law expert because I just binge episodes of this television show and like the negotiation part of it when they're in the office like fuck that Shit. I don't care but the trial lawyer part like I know oh all the objections I know how to sage ineffective cross examination like I not only know everything about how that world operates now in my fallacy. Please don't correct me on this <hes> but I also like would be amazing at it so yeah. That's my answer without a law degree yeah with audrey ago. There were six seasons of the good wife. Maybe seven it's like that's that's law school. It's fine dealer shit from that bullshit. I'm not like I'm only half serious about this but that is how I feel when I'm watching it where I'm like. Oh Yeah No. I'm totally prepared for this. I I just want to go back. I I think J._J.. Is a bull being a little bit naive. I don't think prison plane crash or being stranded on desert island would be anything like you envision it like if he was washing lost or some shit like that right like it's not it's not what you expect a lot longer in a lot more boring a lot more horrible <hes> I think and and you and your take a total dump on me for this but I have an idea <hes> I think I have an idea of what war would be like from watching it on TV and seeing it in movies. It would be fucking horrible nightmare and I wanted. I WANNA get other as fast as possible. I think I think I'd have an idea of what I was in for. Even though even though I would be sill emotionally devastated the second everything started happening around. I mean to use your own reasoning against you. I think it would be a lot longer and a lot more boring than you can. Possibly imagine like true yeah. There are battles and shit but like most of living in war is like most of anything else you're going through life and then all of a sudden. There's a bomb or whatever I don't idea. This is a terrible answer no I I know that like I I know I know what happens in the book jar had even though I never read it but it's basically about how you're sitting. Most of your time spent more is waiting to find an I know friends who have been in wars and say say that there's a lot of weidling your time away waiting to be given orders waiting to be sent somewhere that's going to be dangerous and when the when the dangerous horrible should habits that happens very quickly you lean when people don't respond to your slacks quickly enough like no way you would be prepared for like sitting there waiting to go into battle. Are you kidding me. I just say I'm not saying I would like it. I'm just saying Oh not be surprised if I got sent to the war zone and then was forced to wait and play cards until got shot God you'd be the windiest baby and I just hope I'm not in a troop unit with you I would I would be O._B.. Absolutely one years baby Zachary's in whose career would you rather have R._G.. Three what one incredible year but then wash out a few years later or Chase Daniel career backup whose only started a small handful of times for what it's worth they both earned the exact same amount of money so far so would you rather be a flame out. That's a great question or rather be a steady pun. I think I think there's only one right answer here and you'd rather be chase Daniel the problem with being R._J.. Three is the flame out part becomes your identity and anybody who meets you speaks of you. Here's of you for the rest of your life and far past will be like Oh yeah. That's a real guy. Whatever happened to that guy whereas Chase Daniel? It's just sort of like most people haven't heard tired of you and in ten years nobody will remember you and I think like if you make a steady career and you make a bunch of money and your largely forgotten that's better than being like Jamarcus Russell style. I mean not that even he even had one great season but like you don't WanNa be laughing stock. I really don't want to be laughed at. That's true but I was still go R._G.. Three if I'm not counting injuries because obviously you don't want to throw the physical nowadays that he has had suffered through and there's like fifty million of them but one great year he had a really great year and like I know I know that like he is defined by his flame out but I think when he walks down the street. I bet he doesn't get that as much as people being R._G.. Three Oh R._G.. Three like people's you know it's it's nice to get closer to ultimate glory to my mind and have the fallout from from never getting back there. Just be sort of a steady clipboard older for the rest of your existence. I'd I'd rather have the have the up and down rather live life be a rollercoaster now. I like. I like steadiness so the one would be amazing amazing. Let's take a break you my back. All right. We're back Kennedy writes in how how weird is it to put the first and last name for all your cell phone contacts without exception including your closest friends. Even your own parents on your phone like putting in George Zilt instead of Dad. Do you do that green well. I answered this in a written fund on back once <hes> Weird is your Dad Dad on your phone. My Dad has doubt on my phone. My husband is David on my phone and basically I have a tier system. Where if you're in like the ten people closest to me then then you're one single name select my best friend both of my parents my sister all of that everybody else without exception is first and last name? I'm very rigorous about my cell phone organization <hes> yeah that's the answer I'll brown. Don't worry I I'll I'll put someone's name and I'll differentiate in the in the name of the contact where the nights their home or their cell that now is necessary as it used to be now landlines anymore. This is old man-made or it'll be like Bob Cell and the problem is that Apple's context will take cell as Bob's last name and file it under see so I have to look into the sea for of cell and all that so I I'm not very good about that so I have taken to being like you and people who are sort of outside of the circle of trust you you get the first last day and then I had to look you. Buy Your last name yeah. That seems right. I did recently make my husband. Take my last name out of his cell phone so that I. Was Just Meghan because I didn't like being Meghan Greenwell in my husband. Cellphone just felt very weird. It was too personal exactly like how many others are you going to confuse me with man. Why am I'm begging Greenwell Latisha girl? Why does she don't ever last name there? Jerry writes in. I know the answer this but I want your answer I re- watching mad men for the umpteenth time and knows that no one says any form of goodbye when hang up the phone was this come place at one point in time if so do we all start saying. When did we start saying by when we were hanging up the phone you noticed this in movies and television? I don't know the answer to this because I'm not old enough I guess but I've definitely noticed this and movies and T._v.. And I've never hung up a phone without out saying goodbye. It feels very strange. What the answer <hes> the answer is that it's a cheat? It saves them time in the in movies and T._v.. It's just they can they. It's one of those things where they can get away with cutting that out and not having a not having a character say goodbye. Just hang up the phone and use of you're not going to get to hang hung up on it because your to your to anticipating of what's coming next like I I I went to a AD shoot for your peppermint. Patty wants and instead having the do take a bite out of the patty he holds a pre bitten patty up to his mouth and pulls it away as the AD is starting so it looks like he's just taken a bite and your brain tricked into believing that he's taken a bite when you never saw anything to begin with so is an illusion. It's Hollywood Magic Greenwell peppermint. Patty example seems like there's actually a trick this clearly people do notice. I've noticed this letter writer notices I should we working as a trek and also we're talking about a millisecond. I know the milliseconds add up when you're talking about an episode of T._v.. But is it true that like in the sixties people were less likely to say goodbye or is it just truly made up. I think it's truly made up. I don't think if anything in the sixties people say goodbye much more fluidly than they do now like like now when I say good bye bye and I like hang up right away for anyone say they do send the goal 'cause I want to get the fuck off the phone but I assume back in the sixties people like like road out civil war letters and recite them to each other before saying goodbye shit like that well then I think they need to. I'm a big believer in accuracy. I think if that's the case then they need to take the extra millisecond to include the goodbye in Madman show that's been off the air for what eight years I lights washing madman but people who rewatch Prestige T._v. over and over again. I think that's nuts like there's already too much T._v.. What are you doing watching the same shoot over and over? Just told you emory watching the good wife we doing that for go wash. I don't know it's like it's like comfort food. If I've had a stressful day at work what I want to do is like sit down and watch something I know is good and also I think a lot of the Prestige T._v.. That's on now is basically overrated and so there are a couple of things that I watched that are like you know things. I sit down and watch but I want to watch more than two half hour episodes per week but is it relaxing to watch like Julia Margulis Okada's village. It's so relaxing last night I came home and my husband has been was in Tanzania and just like crawled into bed at like eight thirty P._M.. With the dog and watched two episodes of the good wife and I had a whiskey with me like in bed and it was greatest thing I have ever done a real woman drinking and whiskey in bed like Chris Gillibrand exactly Tajik writes in I am thirty five years old. I have a wide taste of music on including almost all classic rock in their sub genres. Can you explain to me how Bruce Springsteen is good. I've never understood understood what was palatable about as music. We always make fun of Bruce Springsteen but I can make a case for. Are you willing to green well of course Bruce's like it's Americana. It's like earworm type music where you want to roll the windows down. I and sing along with the wind in your hair. I don't know he's not like my go-to. He's not a musician. I feel strongly connected to but it's like if a bruce song comes on the radio your shit. I'M GONNA sing along yeah. I I think I agree. He knows his way around a hook more more in the past than now like he did his country music album and all that shit but like like he writes a he knows how to write a pop song and like I think about Bruce's then there's nothing about music. That's terribly dangerous. You know to be like you're not like you're not going to be the soundtrack to like people like having a bar fight or anything like that. It's like it's very very chased. Yeah I and that in that sense it's a little bit. It's a little bit toothless. Let her but saying that he's bad discounts the fact that he is a really really sharp songwriter and you know noses way around how to build hooks and courses. I know these all that shit so well and it's my first inclination is to think he's bad because sports writers are so irritating about rushing about him but that's not actually correct instinct leg. I can hate the guys who gush about how he's you know America's Erica's poet laureate or whatever the fuck without like hating the actual pop music which is pleasing and inoffensive yeah. I mean that's and that's actually that's an old <hes> US an old fund bed question that I got once in my bet on the dead. Ask where was which which musician has the most annoying fan base regardless of the quality of their and the answer of course was fish. That's true but <hes> but you can you can you can make really good music ISIC and it's it's swag your control whether or not your fans are normal human beings or whether or not the beehive and will and we'll throw fucking switchblades at you if you dare speak out turn about like their favorite artists or selling aware yeah yeah. You can't control that <hes> Christer writes in I just turned thirty and I can't stop farting over Thanksgiving. I loudly ripped aswell playing euchre with my in laws. This is part of life now or do something Roger deserve this. I swear it was never this bad before <hes> pass. I feel like this question needs a male answer. Oh I think I think farting just gets worse as you get older forever man or well. Are you know what it's too presumptuous for me to say men and women don't Fart but I feel like women like like don't obsess about it in the way that men do for good like I just wake up and it's it's just like it's just a symphony orchestra warming up just far after Florida. I wanted to p the other day any before giving a p out like like a fart came out like for like five seconds. Can we get on with with this and all that stuff just farting all over the place so if there's something magical for you about turning thirty or was it just like a gradual increase over time just a gradual increase overtime. It wasn't like overnight where it was like you know like I wished to genie to a genie that I could like being endless farner. It's just you with the with the ravages of time you your ears get bigger and your nose gets bigger and you start farting more seems like basic shit. I mean just go with it. Yeah that's fine <hes>. Let's see Joshua writes in what's the rule of bachelor parties for a second marriage. I Bunny got married six years ago. We threw him and all a bachelor party. In New Orleans dinner committed Palacios. You game a whole nine yard now. He's getting married again next year. It's a destination wedding heading in Lake Tahoe Liberty weekend he's asking what should we do for my bachelor parties like he didn't already get one because it's amazing really happy for but my on the hook for going to a second bachelor party uh-huh on I mean my real take here. Is that like bachelor parties should not be like a blowout occasion where you're spending multiple thousands of dollars. I do think it's like you should not hold the guy's second marriage against him. That seems to be the wrong reasoning to me but like I think it's fine to say. I don't want to spend three thousand dollars on your Bachelor Party. Let's like you know the last Bachelorette party I went to we rented a house in the Hudson valley like a couple of hours from New York and we all drove and we all like cooked some really good meals and it probably cost US each like three to four hundred dollars and it was blast. It was so much fun so I don't know just like have chiller bachelor parties but don't do it because the guy's first marriage didn't work out. I think that's I think that's the right answer like I'm also like I went. The last Bachelor Party went to was in the Outer Banks where we just rented a house in like barbecued and she'd like that I enjoyed myself when he was a nice. It was a destination Bachelor party but it wasn't like a bunch of Bros.. Going to Vegas and going to titty bars and all that stuff I mean you know sort of sewing there while those are all that stuff too old for all that crap plane a Bachelor Party should never envelope plan. I think I well I think for I think for Josh is question. I think for the Second Bachelor Bharti I know I don't want I'm with you. I shouldn't hold it against him but I would. I would sit have him suggest the groom navy doing something a bit more low key because they're already having a destination wedding for the second wedding and you know you should be conscious of people's budgets when you're doing all this shit yes <hes> but see file of course. Let's do a to a trump question of the week Howard writes in does Donald Trump. He owns the White House if he doesn't it brings a news to him if he does try to let the White House in the market. What is term is up? Do you think greenwell trump thinks he owns the way for some reason. This question really pleases me. I mean I think he thinks I certainly think he thinks he has sovereign domain over it for the duration of his presidency in like in terms of like he painted purple if he wanted to actually I guess he probably can do that all right well no. I don't think he's a real estate guy. I don't think he thinks he owns it but that doesn't mean he wouldn't try to put it on the market. I think both can be true. He certainly thinks he deserves to own it. Yes and I think he would definitely try to like ask his attorney general to draft some order that says he does own it before he leaves office so that you can just have yeah I think and I think enough enables around him to make that happen so I think you're right I think as much as delusional of a prick as he is <hes> and as much as I wanNA believe that he's too stupid understand that the White House belongs to America and not to him I think he probably recognizes that but is actively trying to fix that matter because he believes it's a problem exactly the shows produced by Jacob Director of audio feeding feature feature basic by Corporate Hayes. 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First memo from Trump-Ukraine whistleblower made public, shows WH official calling Trump call 'crazy,' 'frightening'

The Beat with Ari Melber

44:21 min | 1 year ago

First memo from Trump-Ukraine whistleblower made public, shows WH official calling Trump call 'crazy,' 'frightening'

"I anti legal defense that appears increasingly erratic today trump was pressed on his stonewalling of Congress and his refusal to comply with those subpoenas in fact he suggested that I thank you very much Katie on my memo in tonight for Ari Melber we start with Donald Trump's impeachment crisis a stampede of damning facts gathered by the day they're entitled to make them go to court and drag it out because there's a lengthy appeals process. I think this one is different in that the house the House obviously would like to get the documents that should be for impeaching a president this business of high crimes and misdemeanors goes to the question of of whether or not the person serving as president of the United States put their own interests their personal interests is actually the murder of a king. What you're seeing is regicide this is regicide a by another name head of public service that's the vice president Mike Pence when he was a congressman back in the day Matt Miller chief DOJ spokesman fake impeachment I refused the call whistle blowers these two nonentities are suicide bombers that the Democrats have unleashed trump blocking military aid for Ukraine now against that drumbeat trump supporters are pushing increasingly bizarre narratives one trump ally and all right so you heard that regicide suicide bombers that is the language now coming from trump's camp remarkable contrast from how -servative used to talk about impeachment today a moment resurfacing from the congressman Mike Pence speaking in two thousand and eight about what the standard probably ends up being a big Supreme Court case all right so at this point trump strategy it's pretty clear obstruct deflect confused and if all else fails released with new details about the call and the New York Times pointing out with details about what went down inside the State Department as frustrations grew over former advisor appeared on a Fox News panel with Rudy Giuliani where he referred to Democrats probe as a regicide which if you don't know like I didn't know earlier today hope the Supreme Court to which he appointed to justice of which he appointed come and save him even as new facts emerged today the full memo from the first whistle blower let's lots to break down here Matt let me begin with you what do you make today of the president subtly invoking the Supreme Court and that this battle is likely to end up there you know I think they'd love for it to end up the Supreme Court because that means we wouldn't have any decision on whether the documents they're obstructing congressman tainting had to be turned over until during the Obama administration is with US Jason Johnson politics editor for the root dot com is also with us and the daily Beast Betsy would drifts one is as well great to have all of you with us a lot of information I think there are you know they got one witness Kurt Volker who was willing to quit rather than stay inside the administration it'd be prohibited from testifying and I suspect what they'll do is push forward they're obviously things that they would like to get their hands on for example more evidence about the withholding funds from Ukraine but I don't think they're gonNA wait for the courts they're going to go sometime next year maybe even past the two thousand twenty election that's been their strategy all along not just with this investigation but with the previous investigations house launched deny the House they've subpoenaed but they're not they would like to get witness testimony but they're not gonNA wait for the administration to turn them over and they're not gonNA wait for the end of court battles they already have a whistle blower who came forward and supply them given that they already have enough evidence that the president pressured the Ukrainian government to to launch an investigation they already have evidence of quid pro quo and those Kurt Volker texts that were released these demands realistically besides going the path of the courts is and that was just spelling out what options do the Democrats have beyond subpoenas order because they have enough evidence and they'll probably get more as more witnesses come forward at despite the White House trying to block them so to that point Jason the White House as we mentioned refusing to cooperate with with can be part of a complaint about obstruction of justice into an investigation of inappropriate behavior that the president has already admitted to so that is their option to take everything anything well they're option is to just have a vote right they don't require this information and I'll be honest we can take the headline White House stymies Congress eight houses lying or not providing information they can have this vote whenever they want here's the other key part about this every piece of information that they've asked for that this administration refuses to come forward announcing Democrats for not cooperating with Congressional Oversight Watch this clip the notion that you can withhold house refuses to hand over information we could run that same headline every three months since this administration began so it's I don't think for once the Democrats are not shocked and amazed at the Donald Trump is doing now and make that a part of their case in a stronger case that for once according to the polls not only are people in favor of the impeachment inquiry but we have now moved former Congressman Trey goudy now's going to serve as outside counsel for the trump team and it's amazing because if you go back to two thousand twelve here he is actually mation documents from Congress no matter whether you're the party in power or not empower is wrong respect for the rule of law must mean being information from Congress are those words betsy going to come back and haunt trey goudy no question and these political cycles have asta robust and detailed way possible arguments that the executive branch has to comply with subpoenas an oversight requests from the from the legislative branch withhold power from Congress or excuse me withhold information from Congress's power to have oversight is now going to defend and justify the president withholding early gone through a heck of assist Tude as Gowdy my put it the fact that Republicans spent eight years of the Obama Administration laying out in the most something irrespective of the vicissitudes of political cycles so that means that you just on your screen there who made that huge appeal about nobody in something that's going to create challenges for all of them that said the White House is legal strategy faces a really complex difficulty because there's tension the White House counsel's office people to an extent are still in molar mode thinking in terms of winning court fights rather than thing this has primarily a political undertaking come up to the hill to talk about Ukraine Corruption Watch his latest appearance on Fox News I just drove through vote but simple owning is approaching it more from the legal side and that's generated a little bit of friction and the interesting thing again in this betsy that you got the GOP inviting Giuliani to testify Lindsey Graham Watson within the White House regarding how White House counsel Pat Simple Loni is approaching this particular issue simple only is treating it perhaps more as a legal fight than a political fight it seems okay they required witnesses to face the witch and some witches were acquitted it's ridiculous the only place I can think of what we had trials like this creates the most problems for his client when he's in a setting that he feels to be friendly and no one on Capitol Hill is going to make Giuliani feel more dell admission about the president paying off porn star Stormy Daniels in the final weeks of the presidential campaign on Sean Hannity's Fox News Show Giuliani Droopy Giuliani talking about which is for the duration of his time serving as president's personal outside counsel Giuliani laxed than Lindsey Graham the Republican chairman of the Senate Judiciary Committee who is incredibly close with trump who hangs out with him engulfs with all the time Giuliani we're Americans are actually recent poll so Americans are actually in favor of Donald Trump being removed from office in a vote and that's something that works Democrats favor and interesting and all of this today we know that impeachment at its core is a political tool and for the most part of the president is outside allies view the biggest threat to him as a as impacting over and over and over has said things publicly that have undermined the legal arguments he's trying to make in defense of the president who can forget the moment when he made the bombs is in the Soviet Union the remember the president used to call this a witch hunt this is now more than a witch hunt the which is headed better in other words they had more rights Jackson the Democrats need to move forward with the vote listen to this here's the reality we can't count on the White House we can't count on the course the witches had better what do you make of that I mean what's the risk your betsy for the gop to kind of have this narrative floating out there between the regicide the V from Cox tonight new revelations from the related to trump's owned business complex abroad also new polling shows a surge in support for impeachment and critics slam facebook for spreading false information not contained in the official White House readout plus global outrage over trump's betrayal of US allies overseas and questions about whether it's they want to delay this we need to move forward we need to look at what evidence we have make the best effort make the case and have a vote on the articles of impeachment what's the what's the play here you think Matt should they go ahead and actually hold hold a vote have a vote on impeachment knowing that the White House is going to stall this and if as you were saying this could delay in is it is not a king yet his defenders making reference to him being king others are calling this a coup now you got mayor Guiliani or former mayor sitting down in grams a committee room is perhaps the most perilous moment of the impeachment process for trump? Hey today the California Congressman Roque Hana telling Holly train whistle blower it's from a memo that has information that is actually not included in that transcript that was released I should say a summary of that transcript house released its call readout trump claimed it actually told the whole story. They didn't know that I had a transcript about that netflix thing Netflix to and other Superhero Movies Contour has all the latest titles on demand Oh my grandkids love that big green official was visibly shaken by trump's Ukraine call because the president had quote clearly committed a criminal act now remember this when the done by very very talented people word for word Comma for comma done by people that do it for a living I we had an exact transcript add about Joe Biden and Ukraine on widening in for remember you are watching the beep on Msnbc this sodas brought to you by Cox with Contour TV from Cox you can find all your favorites all in one place it is it have the youtube you bet guy I prefer the one with the hammer myself okay I think we're done here now get all your favorite apps shows and movies right on contoured if it means risking their career and the second are people who are close to the president who have some culpability and if they see that this is going wrong if they see that the president might go down over it or that phone call that the White House released CBS News obtained the memo and reports that it was written right after the whistle blowers conversation with a White House official word for Word Comma for comma exact transcript. You heard the president's eight there that was not what the White House released in fact but there were a lot of questions we have the whistle blower memo and look at these disparities it has been flagged by former Pentagon lawyer Ryan Goodman the whistle blowers memo says that trump claimed the crowd strike you remember that company well he says that was a Ukrainian company the White House call notes just say quote crowd strike dot dot dot the whistle blower vote he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it again dot dot dot so the big question tonight is this it's all being this to the White House keeps sending as subpoenas to individuals at the State Department even if you know the White House isn't GonNa comply what it does is it puts pressure on the system and when there's pressure on the system about the official radon in fact the Washington Post pointing out the use of ellipses writing that it fueled questions about what may have been removed and why messages and turn over evidence so that there is still time for them to push for together more evidence they don't need to go to impeachment vote now in the next few weeks but certainly it can't stretch long who types of people can come forward one people inside the government who think there was there was wrongdoing and they want to blow the whistle on the wrongdoing and they're willing to come forward and testify even so wrote that trump urged the Ukrainian president not to fire the prosecutor but the White House call notes don't say that at all in fact they just say we learned tonight from this memo that CBS News has obtained and we highlighted some of those disparities. What did we learn from this tonight I think the biggest honey twenty go ahead and have the vote get this process started I think they do I don't think they need to do the next week or the next few weeks but I don't think they should wait for the for the White House to comply I don't think they should you see that they may become a fall guy their interests change and so they don't want to protect the president they don't WanNa protect the secretary anymore and so they come forward the way Kurt Volker did and testify and turnover away from me is that in fact there's very little daylight between all of the documents that we now have out in public there's really little difference between the memo that was just wait for the end of the court battles I think there are some more investigating they can they can do they haven't talked to the first whistleblower yet there's a second whistleblower they need to talk to and there is a reason for them to keep sending east the whistle blowers original accusation against the President and the transcript itself and so I think it makes a fairly solid case about the facts that we in support of the whistle blower also with me here is former federal prosecutor Paul Butler Great to have both of you with us Andrea let me begin with you and let's talk a little bit about what as by this memo did the White House remove material before the public could see it and more importantly if so why joining me now is Andrew Kendall Taylor who served in the US intelligence officer on Russia and Eurasia before stepping down in two thousand eighteen ninety national security veterans who signed an open letter have in front of us and it will make it really difficult I think to question what actually happened we have a case here clearly of the president using has political office for his own Political Gain Paul as a former federal prosecutor when you see the disparity between the whistle blowers memo and trump has that somehow the Ukrainians were involved in implementing instigating the Russian investigation and so again more evidence that that was don't same the name of the prosecutor who trump's it should not be fired it turns out that the prosecutor trump was referring to was this the so-called summary or memo that was released by the White House of that phone call one that the White House initially when it put out acknowledges not a verbatim transcript despite with the President Rain Ian Country a company it's not a Ukrainian company and the reason that's important is because there's this whole bizarre conspiracy theory that twenty sixteen Russian investigation and the other part has to do with this prosecutor so in the White House readout of that conversation but the difference is seemed to be that the White House read out the summary makes the president look a little bit better than the actual said what do you think of disparities between these documents and the kind of legal problems it creates for the president so the disparities are relatively minor. I think that's right when you look back at the transcript the original transcript that was released by the White House the president had gone on at length about all comps emotiv and talking to the Ukrainian president to get him to authorize an investigation into not just the Biden's but the origin of the he was talking about was the security assistance that Ukraine or that the United States gives to Ukraine and I think also what was clear from that is that fact that level communication that the groundwork and the subtle messaging is already put in place for the president to justify not specifically have to reference security assistance lawyer so it seems again an effort to make the president kind of look good even though overall of both readouts are extremely incriminating aw now than what we actually know about the conversation from the whistle blower one example is that the president's claim that crowd strike as you sided states does for Ukraine he reminds Wenski over and over again and made his case about all that the United States did and so it was understood that part need to state it or was that part understood by then I mean when you think of a president about to have a phone call with another country there's a lot of prep work that goes into it there's a lot of ear right all right Matt Miller drifts one thank you both Jason Johnson stick around I got a lot more to talk to you about coming up fresh revelations from the Ukraine whistle blower a new memo it's one of the points Andrew What's interesting about this is that trump it's at the memo says that trump quote did not raise security assistance did he he was the person that everybody universally agreed was not doing a good job in fighting corruption yes and this is the prosecutor who trouble hopes will one hand prosecutor is seen as fighting corruption or the president is fighting corruption by telling him don't far that prosecutor but at the same time by keeping that prosecutor there investigate his political rivals against we all know that it's illegal it's a criminal act for the president to seek a campaign contribution rush prosecutor who people in the Ukraine don't like they want him out of office because they don't trust him and he's the one who trump's it don't or revealed in detail the president will be an even more trouble than he is right now lots of unanswered questions remain about what went on Congress and let the American people know exactly what happened so apparently they're afraid that when the contents of this of the Turkish military launched attacks on the very Kurdish forces that fought alongside the US against Isis it is happening in the wake of trump's promise to pull out American troops from there came and There were a lot of people on this call not just the president and the Ukrainian leader but many other folks including the secretary of he felt that the United States wasn't receiving reciprocity I think was the word that he may have even used that what we were giving to unite or crane was not being received by the way it is characterized in the memo and the way that it was characterized in the transcript or the summary of the transcript that was released by the White House really changes the narrative on I but there is another dimension APP play all of this trump has business interests in Turkey that is something he clearly admits trump's business conflicts in Turkey we're back in thirty seconds question tonight is why is Donald trump letting it happen located and so exactly to your point it was pretty well understood what was on the table let me go back to the issue the prosecutor because you raise an interesting point and why again the United States will have abandoned an ally and even trump's military advisers disagreed with the move in fact trump says he is fulfilling a campaign promise to get out of the Middle East there are already reports tonight of civilian deaths and Kurdish commanders are warning of a potential humanitarian crisis members of trump's own party are accusing him of abandoning a the allies this impulsive decision by the president has undone all the Games we've made thrown the region into further chaos once I have a little conflict of interest because I have a major major building and Istanbul and it's a tremendously successful job it's called trump towers two towers a top-ranking Obama diplomat Wendy Sherman observing quote it always is a concern that those business ties at the very least color his judgment and at the very worst the fight could go all the way to the Supreme Court the whole thing is a scam it's a fix and we wrote a letter yesterday and phone call Andrea Kendall Taylor Paul Butler thank you both very much and turning now to Republicans lemming Donald Trump for letting Turkey attack American allies as new reporting emerges about doc is information wars how the how we lost global battle against disinformation and NBC's Heidi Press Bella her new article is titled Donald Trump's longtime business connection the reasons for his judgment joining me now is Rick Stengel he's a former under secretary of state for public diplomacy and public affairs and MSNBC political analyst has including apple research form a foreign national and so again we have a transcript that details the president committing this crime but here's the thing sort of one not the usual one it's too all right so the Turkish president attended the opening of those towers back in two thousand twelve with Ivanka trump publicly thanking him date might pond Pale and so they know exactly what was said and what are they doing their stone wall they're not going to they're refusing to comment I promise that he's pulling out of the Middle East when in reality our contribution or footprint in Syria was the smallest of all the footprints that we have in the region in Turkey back in the spotlight great to have both of you with us Richard Let me begin with you I mean what do you make of the reason that president trump decided to pull out under this campaign is less money for that there are many other ways in which is invested in Turkey we found as part of a lawsuit that is an active lawsuit right now that Turkey where he himself has acknowledged that he has a conflict of interest there are several ways in which this is true the most visible one are those trump towers where has the highest number of foreign ventures in which the trump family is at least a partial owner at one hundred and nineteen NBC news is also found exclusively according to a report that was put together for us by an outside group that the Turkish officials are the top patrons at trump property he seems to have done it mainly because Erta one asked him to on a phone call but it's but it's absolutely shameful and and the whole kind of he got ten million dollar pay four that while the royalties for that have decreased over time a man because he is now president he received about that right and so this is really the first time that we've seen the president make a major national security decision putting lives at risk in a place US rather we fought beside them and so what what trump is doing is betraying these allies who fought and died with Americans for a good cause and and he has these business interests is the first time that we are really in this position of having to ask some of these tough questions because the fact is that there's a pattern effectively taking over a number of independent news media outlets imprisoning journalists and trump again kind of soft servicemen are women in harm's way around the world but we do and the reason we had not a small force in Syria thousand or so was to combat Isis and trump has essentially hell those off trump also notably praise Erta one after his crackdown after a failed military coup in two thousand sixteen pedal that and even praised Oregon earn one has also used those towers for leverage already Ayman back in two thousand sixteen when trump tried to ban certain individuals from certain Muslim nations Turkey threatened to take his name off the towers that's when we saw Michael Flynn his then national security advisor pen this he's worldwide now let me stress that no one is saying that this is why the president made the decision that he made but we are saying is that nobody understands why made the decision back in two thousand fourteen two thousand fifteen our greatest ally there who lost thousands and thousands of lives with Kurds and they they fought bed favorable to Oregon and it really calmed down and quieted those calls for taking trump's name off those towers that he is so proud of it's definitely NATO the first one was his purchase ERTA ones purchase of a Russian military missile system that a lot of members of Congress think should have triggered sanctions here specifically with Erta one rich can tell you more about this but trump also deferred to earn a one two major issues going against joblessness realizes that it'd be great to have them at home but let's do it in a in a more rational way Heidi you have some amazing reporting in this article tell us a little bit dances earlier watch us by allowing this offensive is it going to be more difficult in future like sweb as Heidi there was painting up there's an interesting point in all this Richard which is that the question about alliances now comes into play and I want you to take a listen to what the president said about it indeed to develop alliance no won't be it won't be at all alliances are very easy but you know our alliances have taken advantage of you know something is leaving alliances make a nation stronger we are stronger because of the alliance's we have in the alliance we have our partially because people trust us they trust our word they trust in your allies on the battlefield what it's like to try to build an alliance in a coalition going forward well very difficult although I just want to point out that the reporting that Heidi was talking about support for these countries finally let's talk a little bit about your book if I want to get your thoughts about misinformation misinformation is at the center of that's one reason president should put their assets in blind trust so they don't have that conflict but to go back to your question about alliances I mean as Jim Mattis said when he we tell them that we're going to do and we do it and we formed at sixty one plus nation alliance to Combat Isis Secretary Kerry went around the World President Obama did as well that was a proud moment really superb and and one of the things we've seen historically as wherever trump has an investment he's in thrall to that country or the leader it's really strange I mean for an American president to do that we're seeing because even even in a conflict like Turkey right now you look at social media there is a big Pro Turkish presence online that is pushing the Turkish narrative but this information has now become that facebook is leading trump spread misinformation again the same way it let Russian trolls cause chaos back in two thousand sixteen president trump and hurt Hillary Clinton fact just yesterday the Senate intelligence committee revealed with those secret agents did on election night quoting a Russian who said alliances and coalition you had to build a global coalition to combat extremism in the messaging of extremism. What do you think what do you make of that when when just and as an pretending to be other people which is Russians are doing and now the Iranians doing the Turks are doing to it's really scary thing for twenty twenty and Hey Heidi has the White House facebook just denied a request from the Biden campaign to remove trump at about Ukraine that fact checkers say is filled with falsehoods in fact the ad has been viewed over regenerate generally allow it on the platform even when it would otherwise breach Alan normal content rules could not have misrepresentations in any kind of ad including political ads and facebook's response was not to remove the offending ads but to change all right tonight Democrats are attacking facebook and other tech giants for enabling trump and giving him a platform for false claims Mike pence price on what he knew about trump search for dirt unbinding in Ukraine his response is striking and believe it or not it is all caught on camera plus Democrats warning joining me now is Roger McNamee who was an early mentor for Mark Zuckerberg but is now a critic? His most recent book is sucked waking up to the facebook catastrophe uncorked a tiny bottle of champagne took one gulp each and looked into each other's eyes we uttered almost in unison we made America great in line as much as they want we do not submit speech by politicians to our independent fact checkers and at the heart of what we're seeing around the world in so many ways yes absolutely as You well know and in the region one of the things that people the Turks seeing other people are seeing is the success of no comment or something tells me I should not be surprised by that silence Richard stangl Heidi Perspective thank you very much for joining us tonight and it's still just coming into US sixteen the company clearly has a massive responsibility here and in my mind they're not just falling short they're actually going in the wrong direction five million times and repeats the same kind of conspiracy theories being peddled by Rudy Giuliani but a facebook executive says that basically politicians or the trump campaign at all responded to your incredible reporting there when you put it to no and we've reached out to the trump organizations lawyer Alan Garton as well and we've got the policy and that it seems to me is a fundamental issue facebook owes the country it's best effort to protect elections after twenty Nisa an unraveling of it in one fell swoop I can only imagine what our friends in the region are thinking about recalculating as Tom Friedman said earlier today about our St we both liked very much maybe didn't do so and I do I think this is a really important question for democracy what kind of country do we wanna live in what kind of standards the people are getting into the act and they realized this is this is a symmetric warfare you can't afford an F thirty five or or big Air Force you can afford a bunch of people tweeted what is your response to her claim about her about facebook in all of this I think facebook needs to be incredibly careful they have done studies on the and we just we referenced so Amen What happened here is a few weeks ago a journalist Judd leg went to facebook Russian disinformation in the two thousand sixteen election for which they've they've had no penalty in fact the president of the United States welcomed it and they haven't been punished so A. and Congress and say I have no obligation to tell the truth to the media when he appeared on this show and other shows so why should we expect

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May 14, 2020: The Assassination of Henry IV

Today in True Crime

11:02 min | 7 months ago

May 14, 2020: The Assassination of Henry IV

"The today is Thursday may fourteenth twenty twenty. On This Day in sixteen ten King Henry the fourth of France was assassinated his killer Francois Rabbi Yak insisted he acted alone but did he welcome to today and true crime podcast. Original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen today recovering the assassination of King Henry the fourth of France by Catholic fanatic. Francois Rob Iraq. Let's go back to Paris on May Fourteenth. Sixteen ten in the late afternoon. King Henry jostled in his seat as the royal carriage exited the Louvre Palace. So far has rain had been as bumpy as his right over the cobblestone streets. He'd come to power during the French wars of religion between the Huguenot Protestants and Roman Catholics. Born a Protestant himself he was only able to take the throne by converting to Catholicism and though Henry tried to mend the religious divide plaguing his country. His efforts had done little to ease the tensions everything he tried only created more enemies. The Protestants didn't like that. He converted to Catholicism. The Catholics. Didn't like that. He gave Protestants religious. Freedom the civil unrest led to multiple assassination attempts after being crowned in fifteen eighty nine. Some accounts suggest there'd been over twenty attacks on his life but on May fourteenth sixteen ten. He didn't seem too concerned about security. He wrote in an open carriage with a few of his ministers protected only by a small contingent of guards. He wasn't going far. Just visit a trusted adviser few houses over but he should have been more cautious before it could reach its destination. Henry's carriage was blocked by two cards stuck in the road. The King's guards departed Henry side to remove the blockage. When they did a man named Francois Ravi Yak emerged from the gathered throng knife in hand with the guards occupied with the Cards Ravi. Yak faced no resistance as he approached the king's carriage he walked straight up to Henry and stabbed him twice. The attack severed the kings a aorta. He died moments later. Although they weren't fast enough to stop the attack the ministers writing in the Royal Carriage managed to detain Rob Iraq. He was arrested before the gathered crowd took matters into their own hands. It was too late to save King. Henry's life but it wasn't too late to ensure his murderer soft proper justice following. Henry's death his wife. Marie de Medici was thrust into the spotlight. Though she and Henry had been married since sixteen hundred she had only been crowned the day before her husband's murder in fact. The streets were so packed. The day of Henry's assassination because of lingering crowds from the coronation. Although Henry Marie Son Louis became king upon his father's death he was too young to rule on his own as regent. Marie was responsible for running the kingdom and her first order of business was the investigation into her husband's killer over the next thirteen days. Ravi was mercilessly tortured. Queen Marie inquisitors learned that the devout Catholic had tried to join a religious order but was rejected. Apparently he suffered from hallucinations that made him believe he was receiving divine visions in the days before the assassination rabbi became convinced that King Henry was preparing go to war with the Pope and so he decided to take matters into his own hands. Despite the carts that had blocked the Royal Carriages Path. Ravi back insisted that he had worked alone. No amount of torture could get him to change his story. Wanting to put the matter to rest queen. Marie sentenced him to death on. May Twenty Sixth Sixteen ten Ravioli was executed standing before the massive crowd that came to witness his sentence. His story suddenly changed. He said I was deceived. When they persuaded me that my deed would be well received by the people but there would be no reprieve. No last minute stay of execution to find out who these mysterious co-conspirators might be. Rabbi axe death was brutal beyond measure. He was burned with hot. Sulphur melted lead boiling water and steaming. Resin then he was drawn and quartered. It took over an hour and a half to kill him with that. The matter was put to rest but perhaps the true architects behind king. Henry's demise still lurked in the shadows coming up. We'll explore theories on who rabbi yaks. Allies might have been now back to the story King Henry. The fourth was tragically executed on May Fourteenth. Sixteen ten by a fanatic. Although Henry's reign had been tumultuous He created a strong foundation that allowed his borbon dynasty to rule for hundreds of years but long after Henry's assassination. His death still captured the imagination of the French people in Eighteen thirty author. Honore Dubar Zach speculated that. Henry's wife Marie de Medici might have constructed Ravi Yaks actions. Marie had been crowned the day before death so she could serve as regent while he was at war in Germany but perhaps WanNa have to cede power upon his return as a devout Catholic. Marie wouldn't have agreed with her husband's decision to support the Protestant driven ruler in the upcoming conflict. Henry had started planning his German campaign several months before his death. It would have given Marie plenty of time to recruit Francois Arava Yak and plan the assassination. And she may have had another ally in the plot. Henry's advisor the Duke of a journal like Queen Marie. A paranoia was a devout Catholic initially. He had resisted proclaiming his loyalty to the late. King Henry due to his Protestant leanings but paranoid ambition superseded his faith and he ultimately pledged himself to the French monarch however he may have only been waiting for his chance to strike. A direct line can be drawn between a pair knoll and Francois Ravi at some point. The assassin received a payment from a pair knows mistress and after Iraq was arrested. He spent a full day in. The Duke's custody it's certainly conceivable that a no convinced rabbi Yak not to rat out his co-conspirators. There's also evidence that apear no and Queen. Marie were working together in the hours after King. Henry's murder a pair no helped ensure that young Louis was pronounced king and that Marie served as his regent. The two were closely connected by their faith. It's entirely possible. They were also connected by regicide queen. Mary's lack of interest in digging deeper into the assassination. After Ravi Yaks last words also raises a Red Flag. He had all but admitted that others were involved in the plot but she took no meaningful action to investigate any further. She was too busy reversing her late husband's policies. Instead of supporting the German Protestant leader. Henry had been backing. Marie sought an alliance with Catholic Spain only a year. After Henry's death Marie accomplished her goal by patrolling King Louis to a Spanish princess. Thanks to Marie. Efforts France remained staunchly Catholic but she had to pay a heavy price to do so after all saint. Peter Probably wouldn't allow a woman who engineered her husband's murder in to heaven. Thanks for listening to today in true. Crime I'm Vanessa. Richardson for more stories. On the murders of famous figures. Check out the PODCAST. Original assassinations today. True crime is a podcast original. You can find more episodes of today and true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify. Not only does spotify already. Have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy. All of your favorite podcast originals. Like today in true crime for free from your phone. Desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify. 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The Desperate Young King Charles II

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33:14 min | 1 year ago

The Desperate Young King Charles II

"<music> a song that you love can't find anything about artist could have been huge twenty thousand tons of valuables garbage mixed together crumbling mansion images this both house all ten episodes of the podcast ephemeral are neatly labelled and easy to find listen to the full first season of ephemeral and subscribe on Apple podcasts the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen podcasts and learn more ephemeral talk show you're listening to noble blood a production of iheartradio and Aaron minke listener discretion advised in seventeen eighty six John Adams and Thomas Jefferson visited the battlefield at Fort Royal Hill in Worcester England. Adams was the ambassador to Great Britain Jefferson was negotiating trade deals deals with Europe and the two were political rivals but they had travelled together in order to see the place where the royalists had been utterly defeated by Oliver Cromwell and his army over two centuries prior Adams and Jefferson found the place deeply moving after all like Oliver Cromwell the pair had firsthand experience in waging war to overthrow monarch but to the shock and shame of the future presidents Worcester local seemed to barely note or care at all they live near the historic battle site and so John Adams delivered what he called an impromptu lecture to the townspeople do Englishman so soon forget the ground where liberty was fought for tell your neighbors and in your children that this is holy ground much holier than that on which churches stand all England should come in pilgrimage to this hill once a year to Adams and Jefferson Worcester represented the place where Liberty Loving Englishman had risen up to conquer a despotic would be king but less than a decade after the battle England had welcome Charles the second back to their shores with open arms parades and celebration elaboration he was homecoming son the merry monarch who became synonymous with indulging in women and debauchery those familiar with Charles the second tend to imagine him after the restoration of the monarchy as king thing in a flowing curly wig and surrounded by a fleet of Spaniels but just after the battle of Worcester he was a man on the run haircut short in ill fitting shoes always just an inch ahead of certain in death at the hands of parliamentary soldiers searching for him Charles would spend his young life doing whatever it took to win his crown back and avenge his father's execution even if it meant sacrificing religion friends and safety and dignity. How much would he be willing to give up in order to win back his birth rate for Charles the second if it meant being king the answer was everything I'm Dana Schwartz and this is noble blood? If Charles the seconds Father Charles the I believed lived in one thing it was the divine right of kings to rule Charles the I lived and breathed the notion that being king meant power bestowed upon him by God after all wasn't God who made him king in the first place and that belief was one he instilled in his young son from the very beginning remember son you were chosen by God to rule and your will is God's will that was the constant refrain for a young Charles the second in his father's court that and don't become a Catholic like your mother Charles the seconds mother Henrietta Maria of France had only been given permission by the pope to marry the Anglican King Charles I if she promised to be a force for Catholicism in Europe most of Charles the seconds childhood was Adila Ke- cushioned by the luxury of court even if that luxury demanded certain restrictions in ritual for eleven seven years his father ruled singularly until his taxes and continual dismissal of parliament ignited a rebellion the parliamentarians led by Oliver Cromwell rose up in civil war against King Charles the first who they accused of tyranny and treason even though he was only fourteen at the time Charles the second joined his father in the battles of the first English civil war members of the army noticed the young Prince's bravery the boy Roy who has already so tall with the striking dark complexion of his French Italian mother he stayed with his father on the front lines of battle on warships refusing to retreat to the safety of below deck fighting a more. More and more perilous war against Oliver Cromwell's new model army until finally everyone knew that the cause was lost and the prince would need to leave the country for his own safety. The prince's mother other the Queen had already left sobbing and calling out for her husband until their boat disappeared beneath the Horizon Charles the second younger sister and brother were left behind separated and hidden but as heir to the Throne Home Charles the second represented a massive threat to the new republic at the parliamentarians were building his freedom meant royalists could still rally behind him and so they needed him dead young Charles. The second exile began in Jersey an island off the coast of France where his host attempted to maintain the royal pomp and ceremony that the young prince have been accustomed to back when when he was the heir to a throne that still existed Charles the second would sit alone at elaborate banquet tables every night for dinner kneeling squires would offer each dish wanted a time while another servants carved a portion portion of the food to serve for the Prince and a third on bended knee offered a silver bowl for him to rinse his hands a cup bearer poured wine always tasting at first to check for poison and lifted a silver basin the under- the Princess Chin while he drank so a drop would never fall and soil his fine royal close. It was empty pathetic pageantry Charles. The second was a prince without a nation a teenage exile surrounded by hollow ritual that no longer had any meaning he had servants but no power after Jersey his exile brought him to Sicily and finally to France where he was able to join his mother in France France the prince who had battled on worships alongside his father's army was treated like a child his only income with pocket money given to him by his mother. Although later in life Charles the second would be famous for his lascivious flirtations nations and many mistresses as a young man he was gawky and awkward especially compared to the sophistication of the French court. There was a Princess Their Court Madam de Mon pennsylva- titled and Fabulously Wealthy and Short it should be a strategic match and the two were sat next to each other to feast to see Charles might be able to woo her later. Madame des Moines Panacea would recount the evening back to her friend who shrieked in laughter. The prince humiliated himself and Madame de Monte was humiliated for him he sat next to her so paralyzed with fear that he didn't utter a single word for fifteen minutes not long after that banquet Charles the second left France to stay with his elder sister and her husband in the Netherland hoping that the Dutch might be more willing than the French to help his father in the fight still raging in England uh-huh but it was too late the former King Charles the first was defeated by the parliamentarians and brought into custody awaiting trial. It'd be a trial for treason in the penalty was death Charles. The second went to extraordinary lengths to try to protect his father engaging in every flavor of diplomacy begging forging new allies offering ransoms writing to the new parliamentarian government government and all but begging for his father's life finally he made the ultimate concession Charles the second sent the new English government a blank sheet of parchment with his signature at the bottom a literal carte carte blanche immoral blank check. It said I will agree to anything to save my Father Cromwell and his government ignored an icy day. Hey at the end of January the former King Charles the I was brought to the scaffolding for his execution he put on two shirts before he left his prison cell so people wouldn't see him shivering in the cold and think that he was afraid <music> even as he walked the steps to his death Charles the I never denounced his faith or his belief in the divine right of kings in his final words Charles the second addressed the large crowd that had assembled all to bear witness to the regicide he called himself a martyr of the people and one final time he proclaimed his innocence but the crowd was held too far away and Charles the I was blocked by wall of parliamentary guards. The kings final address to his people went entirely unheard Charles the first lowered his head onto the block and apologized for his long hair in case it made the executioners job more difficult he gathered beneath sell cap then finally for the first and only time in British history. The executioner wrought his blade down on the neck of a monarch when the executioner. SNER held up the head to the crowd he was expecting cheers. The crowd only gasped he was very very quiet. It said one child the second heard of his father's execution execution he fell to the floor in screamed in agony. If Charles the second was going to win back the English throne he needed an army and his best hope was Scotland though the deeply pious Presbyterian Scotland had nominally declared Charles the second as king they refused to let him enter the country unless unless he pledged to accept Presbyterian Ism and spread the faith across Britain when he had once again become king that would mean Charles the second formally renouncing the faith of his Anglican father and the faith his Catholic mother he needed needed to negotiate fortunately for Charles the second he had a brilliant bargaining chip spectacular General Montrose who had fought valiantly for Charles the first and won several spectacular surprising victories for the Royal Forces Forces Montrose was loyal to Charles the second and readily agreed when Charles the second asked him to invade Scotland with a small force to attempt to raise the highland clans in order to challenge the Scottish government on his behalf Montross fought Charles privately continued his negotiations with the Scottish government until he finally agreed to the terms of the Scottish Nobles Charles wrote a letter to Montrose telling him that he was making him a knight of the Garter the most prestigious order of Chivalry that can be granted by a monarch it was as good as a kiss of death while mantras was still battling on his behalf Charles Secretly signed a treaty with the very people against whom mantras was fighting mantras was captured dragged through the streets and hangs like a common criminal not even receiving a nobleman death of beheading with an axe Charles the second gave up Montrose Montross his father's finest general a military hero but he got his alliance with Scotland after agreeing to uphold Presbyterian Ism Charles the second entered Scotland as their king he and and his men made their way from the coast into Edinburgh passing through the north gates in the city. What's that child's asked looking up an irregular shape on the gate it was twisted and blackened picked up by birds run through with a large nail? One of the Scottish guards answered him. It was one of Montrose arms hung up on the city gate as a warning and deterrent others Charles was silent the rest Thoraya you know he was technically King King in Scotland having signed the Presbyterian Covenant meant that that Crown was almost more symbolic than anything it had about the same power as a crown made a foil or a burger king paper crown a few hundred years too early see while his father there had a foundational faith in the divine right of kings to rule as granted by God himself. The Presbyterian Scots saw king as more of a magistrate than anything else. Charles was a king again but with no real king leanness us in Scotland the king was a man just like anyone else and like other men Charles the second was required to obey the strict protocols of the religion he was forbidden from walking about on Sundays and forced to sit through six hours first of Sunday sermons with the Covenant Charles had signed away his religion and his divine power but at least yet an army willing to go up against Oliver Cromwell in England and on September Third Sixteen Sixteen fifty they got their chance Cromwell and his men had advanced in a preemptive strike towards Edinburgh when they met with the Scottish forces in the battle of Dunbar the Scots massively outnumbered the Englishman and they also occupied the high ground leaving the English soldiers trapped between a hill and the North Sea all the Scottish army needed to do was wait them out but the Scottish general believed that England was already fatally weakened and so Scotland charged Cromwell watched with amazement the Lord hath delivered them into our hands. He said it was a decisive victory for England that put the entirety of southern Scotland Hartland under their control and left Scotland completely humiliated needing a scapegoat for the victory they forced their King Charles. The second to publicly declare that the outcome of the battle was God's punishment for the sins ends of his parents and his entire family. What could the young king do but agree? He was a king in name only a puppet for the Scottish Presbyterian Covenant Tres and so Charles the second swallowed his pride and did. As they asked now Charles the second path for winning back the English throne would require him doing it on English soil and so he and his small army of Scottish men and the English royalists he could gather along the way went down south to make their final stand against Oliver Cromwell at the battle of Worcester this time it was the English who had the advantage of numbers nearly thirty thousand men the largest army ever assembled rambled on British soil and Double Charles had been able to gather cromwell had predicted the movements of Charles and his armies and made a strategic decision to delay the charge three days so it would occur on September third sixteen eighteen fifty one exactly one year to the day after he had beat Scotland in the ground in the battle of Dunbar Worcester wasn't instant massacre for Charles the second and his army three thousand of his men were killed and another ten thousand captured deported off to work as indentured servants or worse as Charles and his close cadre of men rode away from the battle site. The king kept stopping his horse his father had taught him to always fight on the front lines. We have to go back Charles. The second set we have to keep fighting. His men looked at one another but only for a split second that was it. One of his men finally said the battle is over you. The parliamentarians needed Charles debt even though the parliamentarians and won a decisive military victory there were still those loyal to Charles and his longest he lived he was still a symbolic threat to the new republic. Almost no one in Charles's army had escaped from Worcester Cromwell's men had cast a wide net around the battle and they assumed boomed the king who had been on the front lines leading his army for most of the fight would be among the many dead bodies left when the fighting was over but by some miracle brilliant stroke of Luck Charles had escaped and so the would be kings the next six weeks weaving through the English countryside in an increasingly perilous series of near captures trying to make it to safety while the parliamentarian guards searched for him escape was a risky and dangerous prospect. The king was six foot two at a time when the height of the average Englishman was closer to five at six and he had an astonishing price on his head a thousand pounds he had a few allies a small network of England secret Catholics but anyone he meant could betray him and would certainly be tortured as to his whereabouts if soldiers discovered that they had been associated among that Catholic network were five brothers with the surname pendrill who saw a hot as a mission from God to protect their king against the enemy of Cromwell's protestantism one of the brothers Richard cut the king's hair so that it was short on top and long at the side in the style of a common laborer Charles I was trained in the local dialect given workman's clothes and shoes for King Charles the second who had up until that point only ever won the finest footwear the rough shoes left his feet bleeding and blistered thanks to his fight none of the shoes the pencils ahead on hand would fit him and so Charles was forced to slice open the size of a pair of shoes several sizes too small Charles would go days without sleep making escapes in the middle of the night to a state where he might be welcomed and smuggled in Charles was hidden inside secret priest holes were Catholics hid priests. Keep them safe from force conversions after the religion had been outlawed a captain named of all things William careless had been one of the final royal soldiers to make it out of Worcester alive he and Charles had made it to the Bosca Bella states where the pencil brothers were caretakers only to hear of an approaching battalion of Puritan guards careless knew that if he brought the king inside no matter how well hidden the houses priests tolls were eventually the soldiers but find him and so at careless a suggestion William pendrill brought out a ladder careless. I'm the king climbed high into an oak tree dense with leaves and stayed there for an entire day while the troop of Cromwell's guards marched beneath them searching the countryside for king who at that very moment was a dozen feet above their heads. The king was sleep in the branches when a pair of regards sat at the base of the tree taking a break from their search to clear the rubble from their shoes. Careless was awake and came to a terrible realization. His leg was asleep and Charles was lying hang on his leg if the sleeping Charles didn't move careless numb leg would cause them both to tumble from their perch directly onto the guards below an so covering Charles's mouth so he wouldn't yell careless. Careless pinched him and then pinched him again. Mercifully Charles woke up and quietly shifted his weight and the two remained safely hidden in their perch until the guards moved on after the king successfully evaded troops of basketball. Two of the pendrill brothers went with him to the estate of Moseley old hall the home of a man named Thomas White Greave there Charles the second was given his first proper bed to sleep in since he had escaped from the battle of Worcester. A family priest was also there a man by the name of Father John Huddleston who bathed and bandaged the king's torn and Athleti Feet Charles had been shown so much generosity and loyalty by Father Huddleston and by all of the Catholic Englishman who had aided him along in his escape that Charles Pledge then in there that should he become king of England again he would once again grant Catholics religious freedom. If it pleases God I come to my crown. He told Father Huddleston both you and all your persuasion shall have as much liberty as any of my subjects Charles stayed relatively comfortably at Moseley old hall for two days until parliamentary troops arrived on the afternoon of the third day Charles and Father Huddleston were quickly hidden in a priest hole but the troops tortured and interrogated their host. Thomas White grave convinced that he had fought with Charles at Worcester. Even though the truth was that he hadn't eventually after hours of interrogation the troops left the forces forces of danger were only closing on Charles faster the pendulum's brother-in-law had already been captured by English forces interrogated tortured and hanged but the entire time he had refused to give Charles up for the final leg of his journey Charles road with a woman named Jane Lane who had received a permit from the military to travel to Bristol with one of her servants in order to visit a family member if he made it to Bristol Charles could find a boat take him to France and so he adopted the alias William Jackson and road on Jane's Horse with her maintaining the charade that he was her servant anyone they meant when the to stop doesn't estate for Lodging Charles as William William Jackson was sent to the Kitchens to work as any servant would have been he was assigned to wind up the Jack that would be used to roast meat in a fireplace but Charles having been royalty as entire life had no idea how to do it. The Cook was immediately suspicious. What kind of servants are you doesn't know how to Work Jack? He Spat Charles thought quickly and came up with an excuse. His family was so poor. He said that they so rarely ate need that he had no experience with the roasting. The Cook was satisfied. The entire escape lasted six weeks and when Charles finally made it to Bristol he was able to smuggle his way onto a French merchant ship chip and make his way to safety right under the noses of the parliamentary guards. It was the most heroic experienced Charles the second would have for the next decade he was safe while he was abroad but he was also politically impotent relegated to attempting to beg for treaties with Prince's from surrounding countries who had little to no interest in his plight but then something happened a little less than ten years later Oliver Cromwell died on the exact anniversary of the battles of Dunbar and Worcester Cromwell's son Richard was milk toasts in passive and with no strong leader to take over parliamentarians recognized that the country entry was on the verge of civil war to stave off anarchy the leaders of the government had secretly written to Charles the second who had been living in the Spanish Netherlands Charles the second agreed to their terms of forgiveness and leniency for those who had fought him with the exception of those who had committed regicide against his father and so in sixteen eighteen sixty Charles the second was welcomed back to England he hadn't won the crown really this was if anything victory of waiting and circumstance but it didn't matter even if it was a role stripped of its power even even if he was a symbol even if he was puppet none of it mattered he was finally the King of England Charles would spend much of his later life recounting the story of those six weeks he had spent on the run too wrapped audiences it had been the only time in his life where he interacted with common. People lived by his wits completely free of Powell's ritual and formality they were weeks of piracy and adventure of death defying odds and close calls that became closer the more often the stories. We're told Charles the second would be an indulged king famous for his feasts and mistresses known for his flamboyant fashions in general hedonism and though he was a king parliament still retained. Gained much of the power that they had had in the interregnum when Charles attempted to pass a rule permitting Catholic worship as he had promised his loyal supporters who had risked their lives aid in his escape parliament instantly forced him to withdraw Charles capitulated. There was nothing he could do nothing he would be willing to do it meant risking his position the throne for which he had sacrificed so much to gain when Charles was on his deathbed suffering from organ failure and internal bleeding that even the most dedicated bloodletting efforts of the royal physicians couldn't care his brother. James came to comfort him. The Charles has had over a dozen illegitimate children. He had none by his wife and two James would be next in line for the throne. James brought his dying brother priest sire. He said this good man went saved your life. He now comes to save your soul. It was father John Huddleston. The very man who had once Bandage Charles Feet. He was escaping from English soldiers so long ago the King Charles had outwardly portrayed himself as loyal to the Church of England for his entire adult life he had secretly been Catholic devoted to the faith of his mother and if the people who had shown such courage in helping him escape before Charles second died the Father Huddleston performed the right to formally receive him into the Catholic Church Charles was finally free to be loyal to his true beliefs when he had nothing left to lose that might be where Charles died but they're still little more to the story stick around after brief sponsor break to hear more about Charles the second and his legacy <music> twenty six million calls connected on the battlefields of Europe doesn't mean anything if you do not have an operator number four minutes thirty three seconds that changed the course music history which is best understood feasts and his lease understood the twenty eight thousand seconds or ten episodes of the podcast ephemeral are all available now listen to the full first season of ephemeral and subscribe on Apple podcasts. What's the iheartradio APP or wherever you listen to podcasts and learn more at ephemeral dot show a lot of emails about all the time and usually when I look at a story I can tell them the first five minutes probably will happen but this is really strange in our asking people what's wrong? What's wrong and we're GONNA serve office with no explanation? Janey award was sixteen years old when she died under mysterious circumstances she was at a party at a cabin in the woods in the small town of Marshall Arkansas Order would be I'm Katherine Townsend and I'm heading back to Arkansas on a new case to find out what happened to Jamie Ward on September Ninth Nineteen eighty-nine when there's no justice done it hurts a lot of people in town listen to how and gone on Apple podcasts or on the iheartradio APP or wherever you get your podcasts available July twenty fourth in Sixteen Nineteen Astronomer Edmund Min Haley of Haley's comet fame named a new constellation in the southern skies with twelve stars Healy drew a mighty tree with far extending roots and a thick leafy canopy he called his New Constellation Constellation Robert Carolina Charles's Oak but this new constellation overlapped heavily with the Constellation Argo knavish the great ship and as astronomers map the stars of the area in the years. Here's to come they largely forgotten or ignored Robert Carolina such that now the Constellation is considered obsolete but just because it's no longer marked in the stars doesn't mean that Charles Trees Forgotten <music> This Day the Royal Oak remains a popular name for establishments frequented by the Labor's. The king had once spent time with English pubs. Noble blood is a co production of iheartradio Aaron Minke the show is written and hosted by Dana Schwartz and produced by Aaron Minke Matt Frederick Alex Williams and Trevor Young Noble blood is on social media idea at noble blood tales and you can learn more about the show over at Noble Blood Tales Dot Com for more podcasts from iheartradio visit the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to your favorite shows <music> television network decades of pioneering television broadcast once and never seen again. It was nothing else like.

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August 17, 2020: Duchess de Choiseul-Praslin Murdered

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August 17, 2020: Duchess de Choiseul-Praslin Murdered

"You've been feeling bound up in your house break free from that with the new unbound cordless auto curler from Connor and experience the power of beauty. In motion it's a high performance auto curler that's rechargeable and gives you up to sixty minutes of cord free runtime. So don't get tied down by courts. Love your look live unbound, check it out at conor dot com and search unbound. Today is Monday August Seventeenth Two thousand twenty on this day in eighteen forty, seven, forty year old do chess do shwe zell par la went to bed thinking the night would pass quietly like any other but she was wrong. She'd be dead before morning the scandal surrounding the noblewoman slaying sent French society into an uproar. Welcome today and true crime apar- cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes. Listener discretion is advised extreme caution is advised for listeners under thirteen today were covering the killing of French number woman Francois's Douche s do Shwe Zell our law. Let's go back to her Paris mansion the hotel Sebastiani on the evening of August seventeenth eighteen, forty seven. As the nighttime quiet set in over Paris. The Duke and do Shas debar law retreated to their bedrooms separate ones as had been their habit for nearly a decade. Down the hall from there chambers the Hotels Janitor Jacques settled into his caught in the dining room guarding the par loan silver against thieves. So past most of the night until just before four in the morning at that point, Jacques left his post to hurry to his second job sweeping the floors of Paris department, store. Still how stayed quiet? The rest of the mansion's residents slept on in the faint light of the wee hours. That is until four thirty, a. m. when a man let himself into the showcases bedchamber. The room was lit up by a candle he carried the do chefs depar- law also known as fanny was afraid of the dark as it turned out, she had plenty to fear. The man leaned over Fannie as she lay sleeping in her massive four poster bed. Then he pressed his hand over her mouth hard to muffle her screams and his bloody work began. He raised a hunting knife to her neck and slit her throat at least he tried. But the knife slipped and the do chess awoke in a terror. The man struggled to finish the job stabbing her in the neck again, and again severing her carotid artery blood gushed from her throat pouring read across her white nightgown and the sumptuous sheets beneath her frantic fanny reached for her assailant's knife nearly slicing off her thumb and two of her fingers in the process she was not going out without a fight. The dudas managed to get up out of bed and break away from her attackers grip. She screamed and pulled the rope at the head of her bed, which rang a bell to call for assistance assistance that was very much needed. fannies made was asleep in the room above her mistresses boudoir when she was awoken by the sounds of screams and the do chess is Bel- she and the dukes Valet rushed towards fannies bedchamber meanwhile, Fanny bled profusely as she stumbled through her room searching for an escape route, she tried to flee to the living room covering the door with bloody handprints, but it had been locked and bolted shot. As the screaming continued the made and the Valet heard what sounded like an ongoing struggle inside the Douche ss room, they tried to unlock the door, but it had been locked from the inside. They wouldn't be able to get to their mistress before it was too late. On the other side of the door, the assailant was desperate to regain control of the situation and silence his victim. He came up behind fanny and swung the butt of a pistol at the back of her head. But even as she bled out from her severed corroded, the do chefs fought back with everything she had she pulled the pistol out of her attackers halves punched scratched an even bit him based on the wounds later found on his body. She also managed to stab him with a small knife that had been left with her supper. Finally, the murderer reached for a heavy brass candlesticks on the mantle and brought it down on Fanny's head with a vicious swing. She crumpled to the floor in front of a Sofa, her head resting on the seat. She looked almost peaceful if it weren't for the blood coating her face and spreading in a pool around her. By nine, am the hotel Sebastiani was full of lawyers, judges, policemen, and detectives investigating the crime upon his. Pierre Allard head of the police made a snap judgment based on the messy -ness of the scene. He said this is not the work of a professional thief or murderer it is the work of a gentleman. In that first moment of surveying the carnage, he might have already had a suspicion as to who that gentleman was. Lord. And two other investigators wasted no time in interrogating Fanny's husband. The Duke Depar- law his lacklustre answers only further roused their suspicions. He didn't have an explanation for why there was blood stained clothing in his fireplace why his pistol had been found underneath his wife's dead body or why his body was. In bruises and bite marks. Coming up the duke do carlaw takes desperate measures to avoid justice for his wife's murder. High listeners there's a new spotify original from podcast. You do not WanNa Miss. 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After retiring for the night on August seventeenth, eighteen, forty, seven, forty year, old Francois's dishes do Shwe Zell Bar law was murdered her death triggered an intense investigation that quickly implicated her own husband by the end of the day on the eighteenth investigators were certain that the duke was guilty of murder however, because he held the high aristocratic status of peer of France, he could only be brought to. Justice by a special court of peers and this court could only be called to order by the King of France himself. At that time King Louis Philippe was vacationing in Normandy, but on August nineteenth, his trip was interrupted by the alarming news of the chess depar- laws death. It wasn't just alarming because at the grizzly nature of the crime, there were also personal and political implications for the king. Louis Philippe had ascended to the throne in eighteen thirty after his cousin. King Charles the tenth abdicated his eighteen year reign known as the July monarchy brought relative peace and prosperity to France. It was a relief for many of his subjects considering the instability in rapid turnover that had plagued the government for decades before his ascension. But not everyone was happy even with a strong stable economy for the country's nobility there was still a certain agitation and restlessness in many of the French people especially in the working class. Citizens longed for the excitement that previous leaders and statesmen robust. And even the Polian Bonaparte had brought to the country this restless and had manifested in dramatic outbursts of violence as King Louis Philippe knew all too well during his reign no less than seven attempts were made on his life. The same violent urges which prompted people to regicide also produced several scandals amongst the nobility the Prince Deck Mule stabbed his mistress, the Colt Motiur. To murder his own children and Martin do no keeper of the seals was rumored to have died of suicide. All of these scandals reflected poorly on the king's rule but the murder of the chess do law blew them all out of the water. It didn't help matters that the royal family had close. Ties to the par- laws the do chess was a companion of the king sister. The do chess's father. Murray, shall Sebastiani was an important figure in the monarchy. As soon as he found out the do s had been murdered. The King wrote a letter to the marriage show expressing his condolences. He also made haste to officially call the court of Peers into session. By, the next thing August twentieth of eighteen, Forty, seven, the court had been convened but a startling revelation through the process into chaos. The Duke Deter Law had poisoned himself with arsenic apparently on the very day of the murder he wasn't dead yet, but he would be soon. This bombshell triggered a flood of accusations and conspiracy theories from the French people. Some citizens who wouldn't put anything past a corrupt governing class didn't believe the duke had taken arsenic of. Volition rumors spread that the duke had been compelled to poison himself so that the other peers of France could avoid holding a trial which was sure to be an embarrassing and scandalous affair whatever the truth about the dukes poisoning the arsenic ran its course as he lay dying investigators tried to get him to confess. They hoped his last words would bring some resolution to the affair, but their efforts were in vain the duke. Depar- loan died just days later without confessing to the crime. By this point nearly a week after the murder the story was all over Paris. The drama reflected poorly on the company that the French royals kept suggesting that the nobility was rotten to the core. In fact, news of the Duke's death added fuel to the fire of a revolutionary zeal that had once again started to build within France starting in July of eighteen. Forty seven French reformist began agitating for increased suffrage to get around laws that prohibited political gatherings. Revolutionaries instead held banquets at which they gave long toasts railing against the government, the underground movement steadily Momento in the following months and reached a fever pitch in February of eighteen, forty, eight Louis Philippe's constitutional monarchy was thrown and a second republic was established in its place. In December of eighteen forty, eight Napoleon the third not to be confused with his uncle Napoleon the first became president of the Second Republic of France. However in eighteen fifty two, he did away with the elected assembly and made himself emperor his reign lasted until eighteen seventy. The spark that led to these dramatic shifts in the French government can be partially traced back to the grim events at the hotel Sebastiani in August of eighteen, forty seven when the duke of parlow violently murdered his wife. He also helped strike a fatal blow to the tranquility of the July monarchy and ushered in an era of revolution. Thanks for listening today in true crime. I'm Vanessa Richardson for more about the grisly killing of the do chess do par law checkout parkhouse original unsolved murders for two full length episodes on the story for more to radical government behaviors. Check out our podcast original dictators today in true crime is a par cast original. 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May 31, 2020: Emperor Petronius Maximus Killed

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14:12 min | 6 months ago

May 31, 2020: Emperor Petronius Maximus Killed

"Today is Sunday may thirty first twenty twenty on this day in four fifty five. C E Emperor Petronas maximus trying to escape Germanic vandals however his own subjects murdered him before the invaders got the chance. Welcome to today in true crime. A park cast original due to the graphic nature of today's crimes listener discretion is advised extreme. Caution is advised for listeners under thirteen. Today we're covering the brutal death of Emperor Petronas maximus at the hands of a vicious hoard of Roman citizens. Let's go back to Rome on the evening of May thirty first. Four fifty five as emperor. Petrolia S- maximus perched on His throne. The imperial diadem weighed heavily on his head. He ruminated on the sword of Damocles. A cautionary tale about the courtier who was allowed to be king for a day but forced to sit beneath a sharp blade hanging by a single hair far from pitying. The man maximus envied him. Reportedly he complained to a friend Happy Damocles it was only for one banquet space that you had to endure the necessity of reining. In contrast Maximus rule had stretched for seventy seven days a relative eternity of anxiety and paranoia maximus had arrived on the throne after a long respectable career in politics. He secured his first role in the Imperial Council by the tender age of nineteen. Then in four thirty-three. See when Maximus was thirty seven. He was selected as console. What of the highest positions in Roman politics ten years later? Simas reached truly rarified air when he was chosen as console for a second time and shortly afterward earned the highest title of Patrician Petronas maximus had a stellar career. And he would have done well to quit while he was ahead but alas he did not. In the wake of Emperor Valentine Neons. Timely death maximus wasted. No time in securing the emperor ship for himself. He swooped into the Palace. By paying off the people within then to consolidate his newfound power maximus forced to the previous emperors widow. You Dosa to cut her morning short and marry him immediately. Devastated and enraged you dose Lia send word to Gazer King of the vandals seeking aid gazer. Rick was grateful for any excuse to sack Rome and promptly agreed to answer the empress's plea even as the emperor I set on his new throne a terrifying hord was sailing from Carthage. To free you dossier and make maximus answer for his sins. When word spread the vandals were approaching the city subjects. Look to their new emperor for strength but was terrified himself. He didn't even come up with a plan to defend the city. Instead he retreated within the palace walls completely focused on saving his own skin in the absence of any real leadership. Nobles and Commoners Alike decided. Their best bet was to take to the hills. When news of this reached Maximus he belatedly issued a decree encouraging his subjects to fend for themselves. He wrote the emperor grants to all who desire it. Liberty to depart from the city. Naturally this delayed declaration did little to reassure the citizenry. Panicked crowds began to flee from Rome on mass in the midst of the chaos maximus. Hope that he could make a bid for escape and he began to secretly make arrangements for his departure but he didn't make it very far. The servants within the Imperial Palace turned on him. Infuriated that maximus lacked the honor to stand and fight when it was his actions bringing the wrath of the vandals down on all of their heads when the palace residents attacked their emperor. Not One of the imperial soldiers lifted a finger to come to his defense maximus was helpless to defend himself as the servants. Philipon him releasing their rage in a violent uprising. The people savagely tore PETROLIA S- maximus body limb from limb. Still out for vengeance. The mob took the many pieces of Max Mrs Body and dragged them through the streets of Rome. Finally the Imperial Servants Through maximus dismembered body into the dark waters of the Tiber River. For Emperor Petronas maximus. The nightmare was over but for his subjects. It was just beginning. Three days after betrays maximus met his violent end King Gazer arrived in Rome and proceeded to sack the city. What was left of the city was thrown into chaos for months robbed of its riches. And its ruler. Coming up this scheming and backstabbing that led to emperor. Petroleum's Maxima says death. So I've been playing this exciting mobile puzzle game called best means. I've been playing for almost a year now and I'm up to level three hundred thirty one. Of course I didn't do all that myself. My kids love to play best beans to I like to play because it requires strategy while the game is casual. I find the puzzles challenging and fun so I try to find time to play every day. I like the bright colors and visual design of the game and the characters are super adorable. Best fiends treats the game like a service so there are new levels challenges and events every month. The best part. You don't even need an Internet connection to play. Don't miss out. Try It for yourself and see if you can beat me so engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters. Trust me with over one hundred million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is a must play download. Best means free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best beans and now back to the story on May thirty first. Four fifty five c e Emperor Petronas maximus was attacked and torn into pieces by his own servants maximus. Death was so horrifically violent. It's hard to imagine that anyone could deserve such a fate but some sources suggest that maximus may have had imperial blood on his own hands. Seventh Century Chronicler. John of Antioch provides a particularly colorful. Take on the events to him maximus. Demise all started with a game of dice. The story goes that emperor beat Senator Maximus in a game and when Maximus was unable to pay the debt. The emperor took his ring instead. Valentine Ian used the ring to call maximus his wife to his palace pretending. The summons came from her husband. When she arrived the emperor raped her afterward maximus. His wife returned to her husband. Distraught thinking he had betrayed her when maximus realized what had happened. He swore VENGEANCE ON VALENTINE IAN. But he knew that if he wanted to act against the emperor he would. I have to get rid of Eighty S. Tinians master of Soldiers Maximus enlisted the assistance of her reckless a eunuch whom the emperor trusted and who harbored ill will toward ats. Harare's intern convinced. Valentine Ian that. Ats was planning an attack on the emperor's life and that the only way to save himself was to kill eighty S. I Valentine Ian acted swiftly. He called eighty s to the Imperial Palace under the pretense of discussing sensitive matters of state once eighty s had lowered his guard. Val and Tinian stabbed and killed him. Reportedly Valentine Ian asked a witness to the event was not the death of. Ats Well Accomplished. And the witness answered whether well or not I do not know but I do know that you've cut off your right hand with your left Valentini and had no idea. Just how prophetic witnesses? Words would prove to be. As soon as the emperor left himself. Vulnerable maximus moved in for the kill. He spoke to two of eighty SS soldiers up TILA and throws della and encourage them to avenge their commander's death several months. Later on March Sixteenth 455 Valentini in Rhode out of the city to the campus Martius. An area used for public gatherings religious ceremonies and sporting events when the emperor dismounted from his horse to watch some athletes play OCTA and thrust Salah rushed up behind him and attacked. Optima dealt to fatal blows to Valentine's head while thrust Ila dispatch directly us the eunuch who had conspired against ATS. Their vengeance was complete and Rome was without an emperor. Then Tinian died without a son to take his place and soon several possible. Successors emerged. Petroleum Maximus was prominent among the imperial hopefuls. But he didn't leave the matter to chance. He moved quickly to install himself in the Imperial Palace by bribing the officials within but any goodwill that maximus might have purchased for himself. Soon went out the window. Romans were shocked to see that. Not only did the new emperor fail to punish OPTIMA ANTHRO Stella for committing regicide. He openly socialized with them. Sentiment turned further against Maximus when he forced the recently widowed. Empress you dossier to marry him. The final nail in the coffin came when you dossier summoned the vandal. Army to come to her aid the vandals impending arrival sent Rome into pandemonium and Maximus was killed in the mayhem in lieu of an emperor. Pope Leo the first met Vandal. King Gazer Eric outside the gates. The bishop of Rome beseeched the Vandal King to refrain from arson murder or torture as he ransacked the city for treasurer gays. Eric agreed to the pope's requests. All he wanted was riches with their arrangement in place. Gazer proceeded to lead his soldiers in robbing Rome of all her gold. Silver and copper. Over the course of two weeks Gazar Rick also had his soldiers take empress dossier and her daughters back with them to Carthage along with thousands of other captives heavy with the weight of their stolen riches. The vandal ships departed leaving a devastated Rome in their wake. All told Maximus only ruled Rome for seventy seven days but the impact of his reign lasted much longer. Maximus was the first as series of nine so called shadow emperors who ruled for a short period of time before being either deposed or killed with each successive ruler. The once-mighty Western Roman Empire was further destabilized. Which led to its eventual demise in four seventy six incredibly. It seems the course of history might have run much. More smoothly petroleum's Maximus had just been more lucky at dice. Thanks for listening today in true. Crime I'm Vanessa. Richardson for more stories. On the murders of famous figures. Check out the PODCAST. Original assassinations today. In true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios original it is executive produced by Max Cutler. Sound designed by Mike Romo's with assistance by Ron Shapiro. Carly Madden and Aaron Larson. This episode of today and true crime was written by Noni Okwu Law Goo with writing assistance by Maggie. Admire Vanessa Richardson.

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November 17, 1878: King Umberto Assassination Attempt

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15:30 min | 2 weeks ago

November 17, 1878: King Umberto Assassination Attempt

"Who is alex rider. Ordinary taint extraordinary spot. Reluctant hero. imdb. Tv's original series. Alex rider is an action spy thriller following the british teenager who was recruited by m. I six to uncover the secrets behind his uncle's murder. And a much larger conspiracy stream alex rider now exclusively on imdb tv streaming service of impre- movies and tv shows for free no subscription required viable on amazon fire. Tv or anywhere prime video always available. Imdb tv always entertaining. always free. i today is tuesday. November seventeenth two thousand twenty on this day in eighteen. Seventy eight anarchist. Giovanni an anti attempted to assassinate king umberto the first of italy. Welcome to today and true crime. A spotify original from podcast today recovering giovanni pasta nantaise attempted assassination of king umberto. The first and the tragic fallout that followed. Let's go back to naples on november seventeenth. Eighteen seventy eight thirty four year old king umberto and is twenty seven year. Old queen margherita road through the cobblestones streets for a grand parade. The royal couple had undertaken a tour through major cities to meet their subjects. they're horse-drawn carriage open top. It helped them form a closer connection with their people however it also left them vulnerable to people who wanted to do more than smile and wave. Umberto had ascended to the throne in january of that year when his father victor emmanuel the second passed away despite having only been in power for ten months. umberto's rain was already contentious. Liberal minded italian thinkers despise the new monarch for his staunch conservatism militarism and imperialism anarchists in particular harbor deep resentment for king umberto as embodied so much of what they thought was wrong with the world one anarchist in naples that day was no longer satisfied with merely speaking out against the monarchy twenty nine year old giovanni ponte was determined to take matters into his own hands born in salvia in the territory of naples. Poznan spent his formative years working for the family of a left leaning captain of the bourbon army. It's likely that the time. He spent their helped cement his leftist politics. After the captain died his widow sent possibly to school where he quickly established a reputation as a hothead with radical ideas. He wrote a paper proposing a new form of government so inflammatory. It got him expelled. A professor later wrote of policies say he was a fool a blind instrument and such a one that when anybody had known how to rows and had succeeded in rousing his fanaticism. He would promise to achieve any undertaking. Little did that professor know. Just what kind of undertaking would later attempt after being kicked out of school parthenon took to hanging out around a national guard post where he further honed his liberal ideals in may of seventy twenty one year old ponte was caught papering the city of salerno with an anti monarchist manifesto after serving two months in prison he frequented local socialist societies. He even penned seventy two article proposal to entirely overhaul italian politics. Furthermore after attending an evangelical school he took to carrying a bible around and claiming that sacrificing one's life for the greater good was a worthy celebration of christ himself during this period parthenon tastes said on multiple occasions that he could kill king umberto by his thinking. Kings shouldn't exist in the first place on november seventeenth. Eighteen seventy eight. He finally had his chance to rid italy of what he saw. As it scourge as the royal carriage roll down largo della carry era 'grande parthenon tae approached and jumped onto the running board on the side of the carriage. He pulled a small box cutting knife from a red handkerchief which read death to the king. The queen screamed when she saw the blade gleaming in the sunlight. Italian prime minister benedetto khairallah was also in the carriage and moved to defend the king getting himself stabbed in the thigh for his trouble. King umberto himself fought back guest pasta. He swung his sword at his attacker. Sustaining a cut on his arm in the process. Even queen margherita did her utmost to defend her husband. Though all she had was a bouquet of flowers she hit poss- day over the head with it over and over again after much. Chaos and confusion the police finally subdued and arrested him however the ordeal was far from over. They had more darkness in store. Both for king umberto and his would be assassin coming up the aftermath of giovanni pasta nantaise assassination attempt and king umberto's calamitous fate listeners. Here's a new show. I can't wait for you to check out when it comes to love. Every story is unique. Some play out like fairy tales meant to be others defy the odds to achieve happily ever after in our love story the newest spotify original from podcast. You'll discover the many pathways to love as told by the actual couples who found them every tuesday. Our love story celebrates the ups downs and pivotal moments that turned strangers into perfect pairs. Each episode offers an intimate glimpse inside a real life. Romance with couples recounting the highlights and hardships that. Define their love. Whether it's a chance encounter a former friendship or even a former enemy. Our love story proves that love can begin and blossom in the most unexpected ways. Follow our love story. Free on spotify or wherever you listen to podcasts. When you need another crime obsession after this podcast ends look. No more big sky is a new series coming to abc from david. Kelly you know the guy behind big little lies ally mcbeal. the practice. big sky is one of those edge of your seat. Throw rights that spill of twists and turns. You'll never see coming when two sisters go missing under the wide open skies of montana private detectives cassie and cody team up with jenny. Cody's ex-wife to find them before it's too late. The girl's disappearance soon reveals an even deeper mystery. One that some will do anything to keep hitting. It just goes to show you that. Even the most beautiful places can hide the darkest secrets big sky features at incredible cast. Ryan phillipi katheryn winnick kylie bunbury and john caroline big sky premieres tuesday november seventeenth. Abc don't miss it now. Back to the story on november seventeenth eighteen. Seventy eight anarchist. Giovanni parssinen failed to assassinate king. Umberto the first of italy. He was immediately captured by police and thrown in prison there. He was brutally tortured in the hopes that he would confess to being part of a larger conspiracy to murder the king. Perhaps the authorities didn't want to admit that alone attacker had so nearly killed their ruler. Or maybe they simply couldn't believe it. However even under extreme duress parthenon tame maintained that he acted alone his imprisonment became a rallying point for both monarchists and anarchists who both held spirited marches and demonstrations. Some of which turned violent parthenon ey languished in jail for a year before. His trial began. But even before the proceedings got underway the outcome was a bit of a fete accompli. He was found guilty of attempted regicide and sentenced to deaf however after being faced with international pressure. King umberto himself signed a royal decree lessening the sentence to life in prison after spending a year behind bars while awaiting trial said he would have preferred death making matters worse. He wasn't the only one who suffered for his actions. His whole family was also imprisoned in an asylum. Only one brother managed to escape. The consequences eventually rippled even wider. Possibly dante's hometown in southern italy was forced to change. Its name from salvia to savoy a de konya by royal decree as for himself. He was jailed in appalling conditions on the island of elba off the italian coast. There he was held in solitary confinement in a tiny cramped cell in the lingua tower day and night. He was bound to the wall with a heavy chain. His guards were under strict orders to never speak to him. Under these hopeless circumstances parthenon tastes slowly. went insane. It was said that sailors passing by the tower in their ships heard his rantings and ravings so often that they started to call the building parthenon tae tower as fate would have it. He was later. Joined there by pietro. Another would be assassin of king. Umberto's tragically autry reto also lost his mind while serving a life sentence for his crime by early nineteen ten positive auntie had been evaluated by and moved to the model lupo fiorentino asylum to live out the rest of his days. By contrast gaetano brescia the assassin who actually succeeded in killing king umberto in july of nineteen hundred. God off easy bro. She only served one year of his life. Sentence before dying on the other hand suffered three decades of physical and mental decline before passing away in february of nineteen ten just a few days short of his sixty first birthday however even after his death. the italian government wasn't done punishing him after he died possibly dante's skull and brain were removed from his body and preserved in formaldehyde to be studied by sociologists. At the time there was a popular eugenics theory that criminality was inherited so scientists were eager to see if they could find any physical traits of pasta nantaise. Which could help identify other. Potentially violent criminals in nineteen ninety eight nearly ninety years after his death politician oliver daily berto wrote legislation to have pontes head and skull buried with his other remains in savoy. Dilute konya however even after that it still took another eight years before anything actually happened. Perhaps the italian government still had sore feelings towards possibly even from beyond the grave for seventy years. Possibly as brain was kept on display in rome's criminology museum then in may of two thousand seven the brain was secretly moved to be buried with the rest of his remains in his hometown of savoy. A dilute konya as for the italian monarchy which parthenon tastes sacrificed his life trying to extinguish. It met its demise in june of nineteen forty in the aftermath of world war. Two royal rule was superseded by the italian republic. The outcome positi had so desperately wanted came about nearly seventy years after his attempted assassination. Perhaps after all those years his hot headed tortured soul was finally put to rest Thanks for listening to today in true. Crime i'm vanessa. Richardson today and true. Crime is a spotify original from podcast. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other originals from podcast for free on spotify. We'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in true crime today in. True crime is as spotify. Original from podcast it is executive produced by max cutler designed by one boorda with production assistance by ron shapiro. Carleen madden and brusca kovic. This episode of today in true crime was written by noni okla law goo with writing assistance by alex. Benetton i'm vanessa richardson. Don't forget to check out our love story. The newest spotify original from podcast every tuesday discover the many pathways to love as told by the actual couples who found them. Listen to our love story. Free on spotify or wherever you get your podcasts.

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Spoilers: Downton Abbey

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55:34 min | 1 year ago

Spoilers: Downton Abbey

"Now Charlotte grading what's Hello Oh and welcome to slates spoiler specials for Friday September twentieth. I'm June Thomas. I'm the senior managing producer slate podcasts and and I am here to talk about Downton Abbey. I'm not gonNa tell you who with yet because I want you just to be thinking. Are they bringing the band. Is the band getting back together. Yes I'm here with Stevenson. Hello says Stevenson Hello June. It's like we never left this podcast duty. Oh it's only been what four years since the last episode of Downton Tanabe slink off of PBS and here we are again ready to talk about the shenanigans upstairs and downstairs times are changing history rolls forwards Downton Danton remains I talked about a band that requires musical instruments. Do you have any musical instruments June I had my valid climbed deep into the catacombs storage catacombs Stevenson Abby to dig out. Oh an old instrument oh the bell if you didn't listen to junior high in the past this Isabel we would often use to summon hot towels or a small glass of brandy when we needed to as podcasting Oh when I needed my friends to be adjusted which was all the time I ever stars mid podcast. It'd be like I need this ham. AM It's down to my heel but I need it further out longer longer and sell you would ring the seamstress or maybe even the Queen Seems Yeah Yeah when I really want tonight clip to maniac to salt me. light-fingered seems a good. We're already getting ahead of film so Downton Abbey. The television television show has been away for four years but guess what they've made that movie they made out of it before we get into spoiling all the things that are to be spoiled. Can I say I kinda loved going back to Downton and I was thoroughly sick of the thing by the end of the TV show it just felt like they were repeating repeating repeating themselves yourselves but I was Kinda glad to have a little bit of all those old familiar faces an old familiar themes again. I fully agree the TV show its course and you and I it felt felt to be honest bit of starting to edge into drudgery we it was to say the least becoming a bit of a death March at the end recapping these episodes but a little time away absence makes the heart grow fonder certainly does I was also thrilled. We sat there in the screening room and didn't know what to expect but as as it began and the music swelled up and the cameras swooped over the Grande Dame that is that house and yes I was once again just transported leads to another world and I enjoyed it. The whole time I was never bored. I was delighted the entire time and and I was left with a warm feeling in my heart I was too. I also oh you know I did feel like my expertise was coming to bear because the opening scene was an echo of the opening scene of s one one I don't know if you remember but in the opening scene of the very first episode of the show a telegram was being sent and for the inhabitants of Downton Abbey to tell them that their air and lady Mary's fiancee had been lost in the titanic tragically died and we saw saw you know the the the and it was like Oh my goodness this message needs to be conveyed and this time we had a message and it was conveyed actually very dramatically and you know wish we saw the the Royal Mail being salted on a train making its way swiftly northward toward Yorkshire and it was like thrilling I I felt oh an Easter egg that I get to munch on without any need to have my dress pulled out and and yet it was also like a happy instead of this endless kind of you know round and round about the inheritance or an inheritance on the tail and all of that business this was now potentially at least a happy thing it was the the king and Queen of England King George V and his wife Mary. We're going to come to Yorkshire and they were they wanted to stay at Downton Abbey. So when I heard there was going to be a movie first of all jumped in the air and said Huzzah Sa and then I thought about what will they sent what sort of plot will they censor this film on and I assumed that it would be some historical events that it would you know how it is. How can we entwine Downton Abbey with some sort of historical event that everyone's familiar with and add some drama through that borrowed interest but instead it was just like this fun visit from the King and Queen and I think that was a great choice actually ought to try to like ratchet up the dramatic stakes much it was basically a fun three episodes of Downton Abbey crammed into one movie and I think it was a really good choice. Yeah it's striking that they were able to bring by pretty much everyone who survived to the end of the TV show is back for the movie and that's kind of too many people to give like real storylines too so some of them like Cora basically just get some off like offscreen screen conniving yes. Almost nothing just served to sort of cement that oh their relationship is in a good state in good hands exactly so so not. Everybody got a lot to do but the small stakes. Actually I agree with you set for the most part felt like a relief okay so let's start with those steaks. The royals are coming. The royals a-coming reminded Carson has left the building. He's now retired. He was working in his garden. He's mark to Mrs Hughes. Still They appear to be happy but he's no longer footling. No Thomas is the Butler in the house but when the royal visit announced and and you you know they they realize it's going to be all kinds of things happening. Thomas seems to kind of lose his grip a little bit he gets a little overexcited and so the upshot of this is Mary senses that Thomas Barrows is losing control minimal situation and Mary has a freak out and goes to you know to Harass Carson. They've always he's had this close relationship. Mary goes to Carson and says. I don't think Tom's bell can handle this Carson. Will you come back now. I want to say a few things first first of all this is sort of rude on Mary's Party. I mean she didn't really even give Hamas much of a chance to find his footing. I mean if I got a message saying the king and Queen are coming saying I would be a little thrown off my game for a little bit he. He still had time to recover and get it together but she just wasn't. GonNa mess around. She was just like nope. We Need Carson here Carson's since the one who can help I found that a little bit rude on her part a little bit dismissive of Thomas Barrows Abilities and I'm not sure that fantastic job I mean we'll get into what happens but carson basically overseas a coup in and really ineffectual way where he doesn't like managed to prevent it or try that hard to prevent it or encourage. He just kind of sits there and let Taku happened on his watch. I wouldn't say necessarily that we got improved performance right from Carson yoting. I want to say about Carson's. I don't think that this movie movie will garner a lot of academy awards interest but I do think there could be won. Best Supporting Actor award awarded to Carson's eyebrows which were in incredible form. Mason had really vox vodka tive performance from its doc browse. I felt like that that had me gripped and I felt there was like character development from the eyebrow the way at the beginning being the Wagle's at the beginning were different from at the end. There was an arc so it's really grown arc. They've grown and the ark of the eyebrows both the physical arc ark of them like their shape but also the character arc. The narrative arc of the eyebrow was amazing well anyway yeah. That's what I had when I want to add to things about Carson if I may so the first is the word two occasions that I noted where they kind of threw out some of the continuity or some of the facts from the show for the movie one of them was daisy who just seem to be living in the house just as much as she always had whereas in fact at the end of the TV show she was off to live with her father in law Mr Mason the farm but whatever and then the second thing was that Carson one of the reasons that he left it wasn't just that he was ready to retire that would be much to sensible it was that he had developed assault of Palsy and so that he really couldn't handle all the the bustling work anymore not just seem to have been forgotten also very delicate decanting wine that the kings page of the backstairs stairs let us not calling him a butler. The King of the backstairs was doing that incredibly delicate decanting wine where he has to turn this little lever crank to decant the wind ever so this Louis. There's no way a man with palsy could have handled that but yet that was just forgotten but I was glad to see Carson. I was to the second thing I want to mention about Carson. This is more about this up behind the scenes rather than beneath stairs but another of the story lines in this episode of stairs was involved violet the Dowager Countess getting into a scheming situation as always as always with lady Bagshaw Maude Bagshaw who was played by Mel to Stanton Johnson Great British actress who is also the real life wife of the actor who plays Carson June. These are the kinds of details that you bring to this podcast great. British actress actress is fine singer to as it happens but he wasn't called upon to do that this particular time around okay so back to the plot to the plot so as I mentioned and Violets Countess played by Maggie Smith no has something else to worry about which is whether this person we've never heard of before. I thought I was introduced. I was I was I supposed to know who this is and I suddenly was like Domi- forgotten huge patches of the Joe read it to the people behind dench they were able to find an British actor or actress statue who had not yet already been cast in dining. Everyone else had already been there and Imelda. Staunton is one of the rare British actors who kind of toggles between play portion common she does both whereas most people are signed one or the other so you know the fact that she came in as a posh person in in the movie. Maybe that was kind of why she was still available so to speak but yes. She is a royal lady-in-waiting beano so she's minor minor minor aristocracy she's a widow. Her husband died in the Boer War but she know is you know one of the Queen. Mary's ladies in waiting and Violet is trying to persuade her She's apparently a distant cousin of violet and Robert and the Crawley's and via is trying to persuade her to give her estate to give her inheritance to Robert because he's her nearest relative and she is apparently not done with that plan. Yes Heaven Forbid. There not be some sort of succession drama day you know some sort of inheritance controversy and Katha sill to a will tell yeah scheming. Yes I mean it was I really felt like was this plot point from the series that I completely forgot because they just introduced though you were exposed rose. I know that this was happening. And of course this would happen but I'm glad to hear that I had not forgotten about it. No I'm just one of the things actually I was grateful for in the movie that they just acted did like everybody knows who everybody is because everybody will anybody who sees this movie will have seen the TV show or be on a date with somebody who has but like they didn't. I'm glad that in Bala to introduce things 'cause like nonni yeah the I agree this was this was for veterans out for new jobs and so they were like you know what we all. Were on the same page here. Here's here's a question I had about this. Inheritance controversy which is isn't violent son already having trouble with the upkeep on his massive estate isn't the last thing he needs like another. She used estate to deal with the upkeep and the responsibility to the hanger on and we'd like to call them rather than hangers on be more respectful. I feel like that's exactly what he doesn't want unless the estate is just a bunch of gold bar sitting at fault like does he really want more acreage and another leg like like pile of bricks that need to be re pointed like what yeah he didn't seem that interesting. It didn't seem like he cared but we need something for violet to scheme over violent. Doug needs more importantly. Perhaps violent needs something to ski. You know I'm GonNa go a little bit head myself and said that I was slightly disappointed in the quality of Zingers that that was supplied to violet this episode with them. You had you had. Zinger read just for a little bit slightly muted not total duds but dislike is is that the best you got you remember on the TV show. They used to put together entire trailers. Zinger Reuss. Oh yes here's how respond to you June. What piffle you talk. I don't don't even remember if she said that. Somebody said that but it was pretty good singer that no I. I hear what you're saying. I would rate what you say is twenty five percent piffle. I think I know what piffle fillets I get. I well it all again can textually I understand what codswallop and piffle are really know what they are not sure. I want to know what we're here now but there was one that that stuck out for me from her which was wait. What was it oh yes she said. Will you have enough cliches to get you through the visits which I thought was pretty good that was a pretty decent finger. Zinger and she also said somebody compared to Machiavelli and she said Machiavelli had many qualities. Yeah those were okay. There were a few decent league yellow is also brought into that particularly so you're saying though I did have to look to be fair they weren't just like on the top of my head yeah yeah and also I have to say I was surprised that below stairs there are people who were given storylines. Thomas which will get to but also daisy daisy is really beloved of the Downton Abbey Writers and she actually got lines saying things like I mean sometimes. It seems like they're all mental are are this is rubbish but also things like we're not footballs. Mr Bates and we don't deserve a kickin. You know things like that which you know for this show and this this righteous dream which I understand that is just Mr fell lower. Excuse me Lord Fellowes Thenn. You know that's that's what kinds like Woohoo yeah. D.C Did get a little more of a presence than I was expecting. She had a full storyline and everything which was a complete repetition of the thing that she had twice around with. William Hat's true Lord. FELLAS isn't one on like you know breaking out a brand new tools. He really likes to just the dust off the old tools so so give it another go and I mean I like we said this. This movie was seen the show now. 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That's twenty percent off your first purchase when you visit native Deodorant Dot Com and use Promo code spoiler during check it okay so as we have hinted at earlier the royals are come in the king and Queen and then while Thomas is being a bit dithering and Carson is being brought in to you so of help him salt stuff out. We learned that in fact never mind. This is after we've seen Mrs Patmore days ago dental the local shop where the local green grocer grocer is just thrilled beyond belief to supply Lard and beef stock for the royal meal the highlight his not just his professional career but of his life June is Li- he makes very clear. This is the peak of his life in DC supply some like Crisco go for the kings from tallow and so Mrs Patmore hasn't got a heart to tell him actually we're not making the Royal Mail because they learn or have learned at that point that actually wendy royals when the king and Queen go on tour they bring an entire entire set of retainers that take care of all that stuff at move in Lake elaborate coordination where one set is like doing the advance work for the next house and this one here and as soon as this one gets to set up the house. They're onto like two houses down the line a real military operate that actually kind the made. My head hurt a little bit and didn't totally makes cents but we understood that a little while later why bother to give us all that setup but this delighted me in a way because it gave the downstairs people something to plot about route which as we've established plotting and scheming is what guidance all about fuel but it was a little aggravating to me but not at all surprising using the what the downstairs people ended up getting up in arms about an rebelling about was not the fact that they are vessels to to restock Chrissy but to fight against a whole other set of communist who have themselves dedicated to serving the aristocracy and in fact while the aristocrats aristocrats and the royals who we saw were to a man and woman the very soul of gracious of Less Majesty the servants were were just horrible people the steward of the back stairs or whatever his name page of the backstairs the woman who Mrs Webb who was the housekeeper for a Kleptomaniac and then you let seamstress ensure Kobe the the cook where revolting arrogant hideous people bull people Andy's fiance tries to sabotage the visit by ruining the boiler in a fit of P. They're all just these like it can't control their emotions and rough around the edges. Get arrested. Thomas is fault. Yes they're like rabble. Rouse hotheaded added rabble as opposed to the serene. Yes exactly gracious people upstairs. Let's get into the broader politics that later but yes the politics politics of this. I found extremely annoying. Yes another person I was surprised who made a comeback to serve the royals and eventually did so was mostly who had finally been given a little bit of dignity and a vocation at the end of the TV show when he was fine to be of all things assault of like a teacher savant like he was the world's greatest educator and so he found some direction away from like being a survey event and he yes exactly some dignity and self worth but no the king job drop everything. Allow me to prostrate myself for them. Allow me to need like literally curtsy. Let's see and lose all dignity all gung gung but anyway so he also got the story. I do WanNa tell our listeners June I watch this screening room together in Manhattan and we had a great time and when Moseley showed up onscreen June went mole's got so so excited really added so yes and I was like Oh but also hey malls ah yes okay so there's something which I'll just mention but it was so pointless that even by Downton seems like like the equivalent of of light detail that we all have somewhere St Julia on our persons and our skeletons which was that Princess Mary the Princess Royal The the the the king and Queen's eldest daughter so I'm prepared good. She knows who lives up north. She now lives in Harewood. I believe the the that next next big house over married to a gruff cold in years her senior who is just a dake like there's no other word for likes to hunt went in and ignore his children and be and so like the Queen when when Lady Mary and Corps guest grandma can't remember come over her and they are kind of worried about because I guess the word is out that she's not happy and then she is so clear that when the children children brought in like off schedule but still the children are brought in she is just transformed to face lights up she clearly loves adores her children and and her husband comes in and like kicks out the kids because kids not allowed in the drawing room until six pm or something and so she's very unhappy. He's he's a horrible horrible controlling husband. There's like something else happens but it's like what is the appoint to bring in that real life character and the only only are there is that she is convinced by Tom Branson to stay with her terrible husband which is odds. It's like they wanted to have a real life royal who they could have the people of Downton somehow like effect her life but then the effect on her life was like that nothing will change and she'll stay with this terrible man who she should stay. I also felt she was sort of carefully. When I competed and learned a little bit about she did not go to Queen was wedding in protest because winter was not invited to the caterer was not not invited to the wedding and so in protest. Mary did not go to Queen Elizabeth. Leading he was more of course yes brother so she had a soft spot for him but she is remembered ember as in like an an uncontroversial royal. I guess she didn't have too many black marks against her. You know maybe not attending the wedding but there are people understood why attend the leading basically like a very uncontroversial royal so I guess they felt they could bring her and without really saying too much way or the other and then have a storyline where like Tom Branson Manson changes the path of her life in which the path just continues right and then we know of course in the current generation now we're at the stage where royals divorce but the world hasn't changed that much yesterday burns at times are changing off Mary exactly so the other thing that's happening with the royals. They're going to have dinner at Downton the arrive in a single car they like they had no. They just arrive in one motorcar. The Queen's like there's like no entourage at all. It just seemed really that seemed odd to me. Poor security to which which will be a bit of a theme will it will but yeah they arrive. They're gonNA come and stay at down to an and they're they're going to see a parade. The Yorkshire Hussars are going to parade in front of them so the kings going to be on his horse and they're going to be you know his finery finery three and then the next day there's going to be a ball at Harewood and that's the thing that involves the royal parade a dinner and then the next day at a different than ours and different venue that that the that the servants down responsible for one day there will be a ball indeed vascular events and then they will move the tour will continue exactly they come here. Everything's fine. They're kind of Nice but then there's this plotline which I have to say my heart sank when this grim faced major feature major chocolate Chitwood yes major Chitwood shows up and takes an interest in Tom Branson and it just felt like the worst elements of the show. We didn't quite see his horns but like he just was presented like. Oh look he's a bad guy. He's wearing a hat and skulking around for not skulking but he is yeah trenchcoat and it just has a face that looks like oh you're up to no good rather handsome chat but he was clearly being given the body edit so like there's some bullshit with Tom but we're just about as much credit as I can. Give it but basically Tom's loyalty was being tested Tom. Through the Republican who we know when I came to Tha Dighton was an Irish Republican and he eventually married of course your favorite lady. Sybil was widowed. WHO's widowed stayed on Downton became came you know he he and Mary's husband he was weirdly absent. During the movie was like where the guy's making a movie and they're like in the episode we offer a brief unconvincing using explanation for his absence and also like his name likes by contractual obligation can only assume is above Maggie Smith's the credit so it's Matthew Good Maggie. Smith I think is weird. That's so strange. I wonder what he had to do. That was so important that you couldn't show up with lady Mary and Lady Mary got a nice new. Bob By the West not forget really nice new Bob for this movie to and yet matthew good couldn't be bothered to show up in supporter anyway taking this. That's all right so Branson and Mary sort of jointly running the Downton Rice state then looks her husband had cars automotive entreprise on fully understand what it is and Allie. He's got like car stuff. Thanks liberal clearly. He is still loyal and his daughter. CB hangs with Marys kids with the marchioness is in time like she hangs with the kids of her generation and so clearly he is loyal into the family quite quite clearly but then when somebody comes to town with nefarious purposes he immediately seeks Tom but then in a in a demos disagree with it. I can't possibly even give credit to Tom. When the king is completely open an available for shooting on his horse wide it open wide open no security no nobody nobody even looking back alley? Tom Singlehandedly well actually quite single-handedly because Mary who is distrustful of Tom. Tom Chases him and gets in the way. When Tom Brings Down Major each Chet Wynne or major would and you know his wrestling over the gun mary swoops in and grabs the gun. and major would is arrested and the king is saved and like yeah there. You go that whole storyline. which was the? B story the seat right but it's like Tom. Maybe Times going to be DISL-. Maybe the guy is like a a private investigator checking on behalf of supposed to then we're not sure but then it turns out he's plotting against the king and trying to rope Tom into his Mama Mama plot by Tom's not having it but but Mary suspects that maybe Tom is going to be disloyal is worried about that and then it's the quainton regicide attempt tamped. I've ever heard like one guy with a little pistol gets like wrestle to. Why did Tom not like alert the authorities first of all. Why did he try to just all just handle this yeah? He's like. I'm just going to handle this regicide. Attempt thwarted myself which may knows it. Why wouldn't youth made no sense. I can't even attempt authorities and then he wrestles the guy to the ground but the there there was actual like the king was in grave danger of being shot at from like twenty feet away by this guy. This is weird. I love the alternate history tree that this presents because if King George V had been shot right then and killed maybe King Edward the eighth would have succeeded before he met while a Simpson Simpson and the course of history would have been changed fascinating counterfactual that was not his and to add suggested or even hinted at in this in the movie but my mind was wondering at that point. I really silly. I think they needed some kind of action scene. They wanted some sort of like connectik attic physically robust actions scene and so they created is like regicide a tent which was really silly because but like the second most dramatic attic like action scene was putting a tarp over chairs rainstorms. Can we get the tarp over these chairs while it's raining. That was the second action senior senior which I'm fine. I don't need to have big action scenes. I could have done without the yeah because remember the trenches will house. It was tartly tarps and rain billy. Although Thomas Barrows still has his little hand just does years ten years decade later decade himself right there and cast ask. Is this a good time to talk about the politics for talking about Tom. Branson Irish guarantees so I was sort of fascinated by that ah not facility action but because of the politics of this and the politics of now because it's right because it's because the TV show and did pre trump pre brexit correct right yes and so this is downturns first stab at a new plotline post brexit post trump trump and I didn't wanna read too much into it but Lord fellowes has his inclination and I wondered how he might try to vaguely incorporate this into the Downton Universe and what he did was have Tom Branson who's got who's always sort of tried to balance his loyalty to Ireland end with his loyalty to this to crack family and he gives his big speech in the film that's sort of like a climactic emotionally `climactic speech in the film which which he gives to Princess Mary and the the import of the speeches you know what I might have my disagreements politically with these folks but they're good people set them aside and I am just going to submerge all my personal feelings about justice in order to just let these aristocrats do what they want to do do and just lay clippings roll-on and it really felt to me like a bit of a horrible comments. The politics are polarized politics. The we should all set aside are incredibly are very legitimate important differences about like justice outcomes meant. Just get on with each other. You might say that Tom was the Irish backstop. I mean it was just it was. I think that's something that we see over and over again in Downton and have forever that for office reasons. There's a there's an under lying conservative that is so strong that the only thing that you'll ever hear is but individuals with good hearts people who are doing their best to keep this entire system going for a little bit longer and of course we know that system con going uh-huh unjust equitable system that they are trying to preserve is like oh but they're really good people. They're really good and I you know what they are. I love the Dowager Countess. She's a great person but you know yeah well or even showing us the shopkeeper which of course is historically accurate you would of course have gotten your food from from the local greengrocer but I kind of had this feeling of light. Well I use. I use setting that up against what will come you know a hundred years later of you know basically big international supermarkets outside of the Times where you have to get into a car and go and do like where the local shops have gone the high streets are all the same. I'm like there was also a little bit of you know that conservatism which also is inevitable and yeah you know your local Greengrocer Grit but all these cheaper and the other thing about about this this is more about just like Downton and this and this film and what it was doing it and this shift is something I I liked about. It was like a regicide attempts a massive like political all these were actually only done in service of like making the characters have a good food outcome like Branson becomes like a really good guy because he stopped the king from being murdered and because he was able to set politics aside and like for the good of the family emily and so it lets him have this nice moment another political thing which I don't want shoot on Fox. This is a British phase. I I learnt recently. Shooting Are Fox is that is that like a widespread one or did. I just learned it from a eccentric English person. Possibly the Latah possibly well. I guess my understanding is that to shoot your. Fox's like to kind of step on your own your own right as you get rid of your show Fox anyway. Not to shoot are Fox. Maybe we'll get into more later but but also like the Thomas Barrow getting arrested in the in the in the gay bar is is like it's not presented as like a chance to comment on the on like the the the horrid like social norms of the day is a chance for Barrow to learn a little less and it come out okay. Yes I enter that. That's seen that little section. I was open database it so what happens is. Thomas goes with one of the royal servants who's kind of dismissed because he's on the next like the next batch he's already done the as advanced work and he's he's about to move onto the next place and do the advanced work so he gets to go to your visit his mom because he's got a night often since. Thomas has been usurped by Carson. He's got a knife to so they go off to. York and the guy has to go see his mother so Thomas is in a pub and a guy is making is him and Thomas has been in this situation before so when the guy invites him somewhere he you know he goes along. He's happy to go along but he is thrilled and shocked and surprised to find that this of Proto Gabe are in your eyes to a whole new world. He didn't know existed with these men dancing with other just kissing and being open like some of them are fem. Some of them aren't there all handsome and it does seem like paradise and it's joyful and happy and for a man who really has not had that much opportunity for happiness. It's wonderful was kind of Nice and he he's just talking about his delight and I I didn't know this existed and then income the cops which again is real but you know is obviously was a tragedy of immense scale. You know when it was illegal to do what they were doing. A right up until the seventies I guess and so you know it is a dangerous situation. We know of course that the the folks at Dunton Robert. No everyone knows about that. Thomas is okay and they tolerate it but if he had been charged prosecuted then that would mean that would make him a felon and so you you know it would have had serious consequences but because the guy who took into your is a member of the royal household he's able to pull strings flashes royal. She's royal card. Get Him of jail I guess or the the holding cells and then they go off and have an it turns out this fellow hello also gay Thomas and it's kind of cute and so it ends up Thomas being what a little adventure I had and I was and I I spent a couple of hours in jail. That's okay and then I met this nice guy and maybe we're gonNA see each other again so but so instead of like the outcome being like what a tough life it was it for gay people at at this time. The outcome is like had a little adventure. I ended up better than he was before and you know and again is great that Thomas has has low. He's like the Guy Really likes him. They have sex they. You know they like each other. They're they're going to have a relationship. That's wonderful but oh did. We have to like go. Oh through this big social thing that just became a just a something to tie within the in the story line but anyway is with Branson. I we have the politics yet again. It's like this huge thing that's happening historically like and it but it's just a way to make that brand feel good about myself and like cement his ties with the family anyway. I WANNA mention one tiny thing which which actually delighted me. Maybe the most of the whole movie which was that when the king and queen were at the the parade or whatever the Yorkshire for says Played Ilk Lima which is an old Yorkshire Song on Oklahoma Bat. We arrested must've been since I saw the on Hill Komo tat she going Jim. You're never stops exactly and then of course it's a song about how who a lot. They'll catch the code and pardon me then we'll have to bury their and then worms Williams elite the up and then we'll eat worms so so it's a song essentially about cannibalism but it's an old Yorkshire and even though the show is set in Yorkshire and a few of the characters a few have Yorkshire accents. It always always felt to me that again the north is also being used misused and so actually hear a Yorkshire tune by played by the the mask band of the Yorkshire Hussars did feel. I don't if you could hear but I was singing good here. Okay good so there's the the user patient Mr Bates they all Mrs Hughes to the downstairs coup. We're not footballs. June and we don't deserve a kicking as a- as daisy says and so they decide they're not going to because because these royal servants are really giving them the hi hat yeah incredibly noddy and and it's the narcissism a small differences and they're just taking their little elevated status and Lording it over the the downton staff and the Downton staff that will not put up with it and the down staff. I feel justifiably thinks they know the house better. They know that these people better they know the house better what let's do our thing in why wouldn't the king and Queen WanNa taste east of of Yorkshire. Why wouldn't they WANNA taste of Downton hospitality. It's like you're traveling in a bubble yeah so I do think the down staff was right to mount this coup. Oh absolutely and the fact is when the page of the backstairs settings page of the king's pages about when he said that Downton was a minor provincial house and that our friends the servants were serving an undistinguished family house. When we want you to remember I stood up in my seat and through my notebook at the screen. Can you sure did you remember thinking you were removed and then we checked and you had to bail me out and show you that right car. It was a whole thing yeah. No I that guy. He was a good villain. He's he does this. I I was watching as I do an old midsomer murders last night and he he was a bicycle icicle. You just saw him in Saturday night. For some reason I watched four weddings and a funeral. The nineteen ninety four Hugh Grant Andie macdowell vehicle goes to keep we we did a great job as servants those servants who had those thankless roles where all good okay so we need to probably get a little bit of a move on so the the four fellows never does does this yeah and if our podcast long as the movie is that really such a bad thing so so the Downton servants get rid of the royals send some of them off on a trade draft the kings page backstairs. They lock him in his room. They sent all all the servants off on a wild goose chase after making prank phone call and so the Downton Staff is going to handle the visit they are and they get to put on the royal livery that makes them look like toreadors. Where does that stuff that stuff is just kept in the catacomb somewhere and they brought out like once every like forty years when the King and Queen Visit. I guess I've got one in my drawer but along with like office sweater you know when it gets colder thought my Brooklyn apartment in the walk in like one of the closets way in the back by royal livery that I bring out once every few decades I would need the KLEPTOMANIAC. ladies made to to adjust mine slightly since the last time I wore it so yes so they serve dinner mostly makes a fool of himself mostly addresses the Queen directly to they've really should have no even i American commoner knew that that was bad form Moseley you directly addresses the Queen and then Curtsy Wrexham Wrexham which gender fluid whatever but at that time I feel was maybe sorts yeah but but it wasn't it it was like a good intention because he was trying to inform the queen that hey it wasn't your chef who made this it was Mrs Patmore and then the I think the Queen says our compliments to Mrs Pat more or maybe the king does he mentions Mrs Moore Incident. What a great meal. She made her name was on their lips status amazing okay so that happens the other most ridiculous story line is that the KLEPTOMANIAC ladies made is is found out by Anna who of courses knows knows everything can do anything and is persuaded to take in lady distress the wrong parcel has been delivered. I knew that was going to be something because the kept saying where's he distressed Swazi distress and it came and it was you know like big enough for like all of the sisters to wear including the body of lady civil level and I know sorry that was ripe. Get Ladies. I'm not your mouth exactly and so like thank you for doing that. A No disappeared police because that was really it was pointless pointless story why why was that who even to serve well you did was it was it the point that even the Queen Servants are also like poor moral character turn the like. I didn't understand that and y like and then I don't even remember seeing the dress at the ball like it was just so wait was pointless but for as much as I love him eldest John and Thomas Tuppence Middleton who of course most recently seen by me at least on sense eight the one of the greatest shows of the last few years Please Watch ladybugs. Shaw's holding out on giving her inheritance to Robert because she wants to give it to her maid who she calls by her first name which scandalized licensed people who don't call her by her CERNAN. She's not Smith. She's Lucy Ensues Lucy and we learn. What do we learn sir. I thought they were setting it up that in fact they had a romantic relationship for moment I did too. I thought they were setting it up that she was was sort of hiding her girlfriend fred as as as a great storyline right. I thought that's what was going on but no it turned out that in fact it was her daughter for illegitimate intimate feeling yes so she'd had an affair with a commoner and the commoner had been killed in the Boer War Lady Bagshaw had gone off to America America to have the child her brought her back to England had educated her but in a local school you know not like cough and had a higher as her main told her when she was eighteen and Blah Blah Blah and you know so this woman Lucy like Tom. Branson was oddly leap between classes is on the precipice of make of climbing socially and she's trying to deal with it and she finds a very sympathetic year in Branson who has made this leap himself from chauffeur to member of the family and so they get on very well but it's not just it's not just that they a understand each other situations. There's a spark there. Yes and you know the thing that was. This is a controversial view. Perhaps but in the early seasons certainly the first and second one thing that don't did incredibly well was love affairs. Romances wasn't robbed calm. Although I guess there was some com like it they had really great loves. Mary and Cousin Matthew and Downton became down tonight. The season one romance between Marian Cousin Matthew was what made the this show a a legitimately good show at times and what really drew in the masses and why I liked it and I think I think it was just it was great. Yes legitimately great and once he died. The show was never really the same. There was just like a faint echo of that yeah and you know Sybil and Tom that was also oh you know a forbidden romance that was decent wasn't quite on the scale of Mary and Matthew but still it was decent and then after a while they kind of once those love stories stories of gun away something very key to the show just the the show went down in quality when there was no more love sizzle and this movie the IT tried to have two romances the one with Tom and Lucy and the one with Barrow and I'm afraid I don't remember the member of the Royal Household Name and one between me and carson's eyebrows exactly exactly exactly and I guess daisy and end the although that really does not seem it should is a relationship that should happen like they just. They just didn't manage that. They couldn't pull that off. They just didn't have any spark. That didn't have any sizzle. Tom and Lucy one wasn't establish it all sort of like he liked the look of our great and then the but like they and they had like a couple of quick conversations but it just wasn't really dabbling she just she had a very winning smile and like kind of like road on that that dancing outside just as you'll remember. Mary once had a classic outside dance with somebody or other. I remember snowfall outside dance but it just wasn't the same you you see what they were trying for but yeah yeah and I'm not even gonNA give again. I keep saying I'm not going to give credit to but there's also the storyline with edith. It's getting pregnant and her husband. The Mar- I suppose the lowest of stakes like might need to go on a work trip for a little while. Oh he doesn't think goodness Corre uh okay so that happened but then the final reveal was something that was high stakes and I didn't really know why had been revealed and they just see yes so she reveals the in the First Section she disappeared to Lenin which seems strange to me because it's not like she just POPs stolen. She's not that Kinda girl She didn't say what she was doing. She was very vague and then she at the ball at Harewood. She takes Mary aside and she says I need to tell you what it was. it was some medical tests and I'm afraid I'm going to be with you very much longer but you will carry on my spirit anointing U. Yes to be the future craggy old woman of downtown and to carry on yes the holder of the zingers like I you know okay. Maybe it was to to get some tears going which I actually didn't even though as much as I adore violet just it felt like just not the way you convey that drama drama fell flat lake. There were no hints of her failing health. He seemed just exactly the same as she always been and she's just like there's new like outward. Sign of Jesus says Oh by the way you don't have to leave. Let let's go dance. Don't worry about it not a big deal. Mb Do and so I kind of wondered why did they do that. I think it was to give us tears but also I think maybe there'll be more dunton's and they just kind of want to give us a heads up. Don't expect Mega Smith in the heads up. We may not be able able to agree to contract terms. Smith for the next one after this and we WANNA give ourselves in out exactly which you know great because I'm I'm there. I know you're about to have another child child and I suspect that you know the he might be going to downton abbey seventeen just before he heads off exactly but didn't do it for me yeah well. This is so they end the film with Carson saying. Oh you know there's some lake conversation about like what's going to happen to doubt out in one thousand nine hundred eighty seven as we in the film and let's what's going to happen down in. Carson says Oh Downton will be here a Hundred Years Hansen like nothing will change will live on forever and of course we know that you know it's now almost one hundred years later that that's this is not exactly how things went down. Yeah I looked up so there are some other comparable some cops oh for Downton mentioned in the film if you if you if you were called they were like the mentioned these comparable houses Aaron Gale and and blend him and and one other one chat Chatsworth Chatsworth. Yes yes yes to me always town the San Fernando Valley where they film pornography talk to me his were the the Duchess of Devonshire who was one of the mitford daughters lived until Ariz okay so they mention those cops yeah and I looked up what did become those real life homes and so one of them. I couldn't really tell what what what happened to Arundel but but blend him they had the way that they saved. It was one of the heirs married an American belts in order Adila. Get the money in order to the upkeep. I don't know exactly what's going on with that has great Catholic families of Britain. If I remember correctly okay and I think the family may even still really live there era and like most of the most of the Chatsworth they it's mostly like great museum grounds open to the public but some duke pays market rent for his rooms in it which I find so kind of what acquaint funny story that there's dislike. Duke was like you know. Seventeen generations removed from the builders of the house. He's like paying market rent for some three bedroom apartment right well. That's often the case that no they're run by the national trust and the maybe the family still live in them as much as anything else to still have that air of royalty loyalty or not they're not actually riles air of kind of Gentry but they yeah they literally rent a room or to you know have the public treading trading through or another thing that they sometimes do is rent out their hosts. Fulfillment shows like Downton Abbey. Yes that might be another option for Downton in a hundred years yeah well. They think they ended that. We know that we're supposed to sort of you know not at the irony of him saying oh it'll be one hundred and we know that you know things that aren't going to exactly go. The Way Carson thinks they're going to go but the the movie very specifically chooses this year nineteen twenty seven where I I'm sure lots of things are happening but to the modern audience like like this. You don't say nineteen twenty seven of course. That's what this habit. Nothing in particular is happening. It's just dislike quiet interlude yes. There's this hesitation the king but you you know it's warranted before anything happens. King becomes fond of Branston and says Oh. I think I owe you chop for saving my life just like I think it was it was a very conscious conscious decision to set it in this quiet interlude where nothing much is happening and we can just luxuriate in this different times different world and I think inc I again as we said I think that was a great choice. It left me with a wonderful feeling and you know what June I would happily do this with you again nut to shoot me more than two years but less than seven years from now. I would happily luxuriate in another couple of hours of Downton with you me too and do you recommend to our listeners. If you are a fan which if you're you are admitted into this podcast about this film you are for sure Downton Fan and if that's you yes definitely I'm sure you've already seen this movie but if you haven't yes this movies where you go ahead and preemptively recommend you know the next to seek all aw years from now because I think they'll just do the same thing again and I'll be happy to see everybody again and you know what let's just carry on yeah and I wonder who daisy will be. Did you know hesitating the I'll within who knows what I hear. I'm being gotta go it from from the Dowager Countess. I think she needs you to draw back. I do she wants me to Polish lingers. Oh she's quite insistent it. Just he's ringing okay well. Thanks everyone for listening. Please do subscribe to these spoiler special feed and we'll be back with you in two weeks time discussing some other movie or perhaps APPs TV show or who knows maybe even a podcast. Thank you for listening. Thank you sir. 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August 27, 2020: John Miltons Books Burned

Today in True Crime

15:51 min | 3 months ago

August 27, 2020: John Miltons Books Burned

"Today is Thursday August twenty seventh two, thousand twenty on this day in Sixteen Sixty King Charles. The second commanded English poet John Milton's books burned in the city of London. These events inspired the outspoken and controversial. To complete his epic poem. Paradise lost. Welcome to today in true crime a cast original. Today, we're covering John Milton's book burning and the events that caused it after a brutal civil war that led to the beheading of his father Charles. The second return to the city of London to reclaim the throne. But he was back with a vendetta and John Milton a committed Republican with a knack for spreading anti royalist propaganda was at the top of his list. Let's go back to August twenty. Seventh Sixteen Sixty. For Weeks Milton's books had been seized by the king's men all around the city raiding parties scoured bookshelves snatching anything with Milton's name. Now, on the night of the twenty seventh, the spoils had been dumped in a pile in front of the Old Bailey courthouse Dave were to be burned, but the fire wasn't just about Milton and his alleged offenses towards Charles. The second the flames had been sparked nearly twenty years before in sixteen, Forty two. That year the civil war broke out in England King Charles. The first claimed it was his divine right to rule. But Parliament was inspired by ideas of democracy before the turn of the decade Puritan leader Oliver Cromwell led parliament in overthrowing the Monarchy Charles. The I was captured placed on trial and found guilty for trying to L. pulled in himself and unlimited and tyrannical power to rule according to his will and to overthrow the rights and liberties of the people. So he was beheaded. Meanwhile his son Charles. The second fled to France, for refuge it was during this time that forty one year old John Milton gained a reputation throughout England. He publicly advocated for regicide or the killing of kings, and he opposed the illegal bond between the church and the crown. So in his pamphlet called the tenure of kings and magistrates, Milton attacked church ritual governance, and tried to oust false idols which the church created and the King's image. Essentially, he believed the crown had tainted the sanctity of religion. Milton was outspoken about other taboo subjects to his seventeen year old wife Mary had left only a few months after their wedding and Milton hadn't seen her in years. So Milton penned the doctrine and discipline of divorce which advocated for the legalization of separation. He also detested public censorship Milton's controversial propaganda game the recognition of Oliver Cromwell a leader in parliament and two months after the king's execution, Milton was appointed as secretary of foreign tongues. His job was to dictate letters to foreign nations act as a translator and an intellectual hand which was remarkable considering John Milton was soon to be permanently blind after what was most likely chronic glaucoma. Unfortunately, Milton's position along with the English republic was short-lived after Cromwell died in sixteen, Fifty, eight, the government collapsed royalists regained their momentum took back power and asked Charles the second to return to the throne. So in May of sixteen sixty. Charles the second road back into London triumphantly as part of his restoration agreement Charles the second demanded a standing army and permission to kill any officials responsible for his father's. and John Milton was one of those people. Before Charles the second even issued the execution list with Milton's name the poet went into hiding to this day. It's a mystery where Milton spent the next several months or who helped hide him but in. June, of that year Charles the second called for Milton's arrest he also threatened anyone who might be harboring the fugitive Charles the second vilified Milton publicly turning the people against him. He even suggested that Milton had been struck blind by God, in an act of divine retribution. Over the next few months, Milton's book started to disappear from public libraries in August of Sixteen Sixty Charles the second issued a proclamation declaring all books by John Milton be handed over to authorities those who were once loyal to the Commonwealth. Handed in their copies of Milton's work succumbing to the reality that the republic was dead. Royalists rated doors and stationer's shops were books were bound and published. They took anything with Milton's name on it. primarily, Milton's treatise of civil power which had been recently issued for publication. Royalists invaded the homes of Republicans who may have been hiding copies. Then on the evening of August twenty, seventh sixteen, Sixty Milton's books were brought to the Old Bailey courthouse in London there they were burned in a massive fire pit by the local hangman. Milton. remained hidden in the shadows of London as his life's work went up in smoke. But the events of this day had already been prophesied by. Milton. In his work areopagus mccaw when he wrote as good, almost kill a man as kill a good book. Coming up. John Milton's arrest and his authorship of Paradise lost. High listeners here's a series I. Think you're really GonNa like we all know that medical professionals are trained to give exceptional care. But what about those who use their skills not to heal hurt in the new podcast series medical murders you'll discover a disturbing diagnosis that not every doctor wants to extend your life. Every Wednesday medical murders introduces you to the worst. 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So I've been playing this exciting mobile puzzle game called best fiends I've been playing for almost a year now and up to level three, hundred, thirty, one of course I didn't do all that myself. My kids love to play beans to I like to play because it requires strategy while the game is casual, I find the puzzles challenging and fun. So I try. To find time to play every day I like the bright colors and visual design, the game and the characters are super adorable. Best fiends treats the game like a service. So there are new levels, challenges and events every month the best part you don't even need an Internet connection to play don't miss out, try it for yourself and see if you can beat me. So, engage your brain with fun puzzles and collect tons of cute characters. Trust me with over one hundred, million downloads. This five star rated mobile puzzle game is must play download best means free on the apple APP store or Google play. That's friends without the our best beans. Now back to the story. On August twenty seventh sixteen, Sixty John Milton's books were burned in front of the Old Bailey courthouse in London royalists watched as the parchment crinkled and turned to Ash. John. Milton stayed in hiding well aware that King Charles the second had him on a shortlist of traders. If Milton was found, he'd be executed. But. Two days later, the king passed an act of free and general pardon. This excused anyone from the death penalty who committed crimes against the monarchy during the civil war with the exception of murder piracy rape or witchcraft, which was good news for John, Milton who was merely guilty of spreading propaganda. So Milton came out of hiding shortly after but that didn't stop Charles the second from finding and arresting him that Fall Milton was sent to the Tower of London where he spent his fifty second birthday in prison. Luckily, his incarceration was short he was released in December of sixteen sixty, but the experience inspired Milton to complete unfinished works. Milton spent his days tiptoeing around the monarchy fearful that any wrongdoing could lead to another arrest. Milton, knew that King Charles. The second would regress England back to its former state meaning the monarchy and the Church would reunite as one indistinguishable unit because of that he struggled with his commitment to God but he also knew his God would want him to rebel against tyrants. So Milton penned his metaphorical version of the story of creation in an epic poem titled. Paradise. lost. The ten thousand line poem begins with the journey of Satan referred to as the traitor angel who's been sent to the underworld after rebelling against his divine creator. So the train Joel plots his revenge by tempting man with sinful desires nineteenth century poets like Percy. Shelley. saw. Version of Satan as a kindred spirit the true protagonist of the story who Milton clearly road in his own image. While the poem is a metaphor for standing up for your beliefs rebelling against evil and the satisfaction of redemption. It's also about love in Milton's interpretation of the tail eve gives into her temptations just to be with Adam and together they fall from grace. It said that, Milton, would wake in the middle of the night with full passages in his mind which likely kept him up until morning until his scribe arrived to help the blind author pen his feverish dreams. Paradise. Lost was completed and published throughout London sixteen, Sixty, seven Milton who'd become a political and social pariah was resurrected with the publication of this poem. The story was well received amongst royalists and puritans alike in October of that year royalists Sir John Denham poet and surveyor of the King's works marched into the house. Of Commons in his hand was a copy of Paradise lost. When members of parliament asked what Denim was reading, he responded the noblest poem that ever was wrote in any language or in any age. In the centuries to come others praised Milton for reinventing poetry and removing what he called the troublesome and modern bondage of rhyming. Today Milton continues to inspire some of our greatest works of fiction including Philip pullman dark materials trilogy. PULLMAN says, no one not even Shakespeare surpasses Milton in his command of the sound, the music, the weight and taste and texture of English words. Pullman like many other admirers of Milton's says, he's attracted to the poet's. And complexities ironically, it's those same audacity which nearly killed the author three, hundred, sixty years ago yet without them history might be void of some of its most iconic pieces of literature. Thanks for listening today in true crime I'm Vanessa Richardson today and true crime is of park cast original. You can find more episodes of today in true crime and all other podcast originals for free on spotify not only does spotify already have all of your favorite music but now spotify is making it easy for you to enjoy all of your favorite podcast originals like today, true crime for free from your phone desktop or smart speaker to stream today in true crime on spotify, just open the APP and type today in true crime in the search bar, we'll be back with a brand new episode tomorrow in true. Crime. Today and true crime was created by Max Cutler and is a podcast studios. Original is executive produced by Max Cutler sound designed by Dick Schroeder with production assistance by Ron Shapiro Carly Madden and Aaron Larson. This episode of today and true crime was written by Lori Gottlieb with writing assistance by Abigail cannon I'm Vanessa Richardson. Killer. deranged. Doctors mad scientists don't forget to check out the new podcast, original series, medical murders. 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Unshakeable Trust  Part 9

Joyce Meyer Radio Podcast

14:28 min | 1 year ago

Unshakeable Trust Part 9

"Welcome to enjoying everyday life with New York Times bestselling author Joyce Meyer's on today's program. Joyce will be teaching from the unshakable. Trust I action plan. How can you trust God when you've been disappointed over and over if you've asked this question Joyce wants to share some valuable insights into learning to trust God when we don't always understand God understands struggles and he is there for us when we reach out to before today's teaching? We want to remind you that you can change a life by giving outreach. That is near to to your heart. One hundred percent of your giving can be designated to a specific area like water feeding medical project girl or wherever needed most please visit Joyce Meyer dot org to see more outrageous and how you can make a difference. Now here's Joyce with today's teaching on trusting God whom the Lord Lovech it chastises and in revelation. It says big enthusiastic one. God shows you your faults in the amplified Bible in revelation three so be enthusiastic ASHTEC and full of zeal when God shows your fault because it's just a sign of his love sometimes. I've thought could you love me a little less. Maybe go love Dave a little more. Wouldn't you like it sometimes. God just wanted your spouse a little more than he loves you and tell them what's wrong with them instead of it always being you come on. I gotTa have fun at this part. If you want me to make it through night don't judge and criticize and condemn others so the May not be judged and criticized and condemned yourselves. Uh for justice you judge and criticize and condemn others. You will be judged in criticized and condemned and in accordance with the measure that you use when you deal out to others it will be dealt back out to you Galatian. Six seven be not deceived and deluded God is not mocked whatsoever. Man Soa solid died in that only is what he's show. If you started the flesh you'll reap from the flesh. Ruined Decay and destruction if you so to the spirit you will reap from this Barrett life and Life Eternal final. Now let me give you an example concerning the words of your mouth. I believe that when we talk the way we're supposed to be careful not to be critical and downgrading of other people and being more careful about just saying negative things I think get adds to our joy. I think we just have happier days. You know the Bible says man has joy and making a right and an APP to answer and I also also believe that sometimes when people are depressed there is having a bad day and they just feel all like I don't know what's wrong. I just got a heaviness. You beat the Danville. I think a lot of is caused by the way we talk. Come on you're not going to go to church on Sunday. You said at the lunch table at work on Monday and Gospel about everybody at the office and then go home and feel happy the one. I'm preaching better than you're acting we're in the world we're not of it you don't get to act like everybody else a man we're having fun okay. Now a person can do everything right though is still suffer. I Peter Two nine thousand nine hundred twenty twenty or some scriptures that. I just really wish we're not in here. But they are for one is regarded. Favorably is approved and acceptable. Thank worthy if as in the sight of God he endures the pain of unjust suffering. After all what kind of glory is ended. If when you do wrong in your punish part you take it patiently wait but if you bear patiently was suffering which results when you do right. It is undeserved now. This is acceptable and pleasing to God. And I wrote out beside that scripture very painful what kind of God is it. That would be happy. If I'm suffering unjustly it doesn't really say that he's half if we we suffer unjustly. It says he's happy if we keep a good attitude when we suffer unjustly come on. Let's don't Miss. Anybody can have a good attitude if things are going their way but when you're suffering when you're doing right when you're on your best behavior and you're the one serving God you give offerings and you walk in the fruit of the spirit and and you help other people and now the wrong things are happening to you. God is pleased is even in those times if we keep a good attitude and we hold Dr Temper. I'm GonNa tell you something that I learned a long time ago. I think this would be up on the top part of the list of some of the things that God's given me to say to people that I think are important and very helpful installations it says weary in well-doing foreign do season send. You shall reap if you not and we don't know what do season is. It's whatever time God feels is the right time in our life life and there are times when God will let things go on longer than we would like them to go on because for whatever reason you know. He's doing something else. Alex doing something and somebody else. I want you to remember what I'm getting regicide plan you can keep doing what's right while you're still not yet getting the right results. You're growing spiritually. Can I give you a secret. When you're growing spiritually? It usually really hurts a man a lot of things that feel good may feel good but they don't really maybe help us all that much but I can tell you. Sometimes when you're going to really really hard stuff stuff like pastor Charles and his family went through stuff like I've gone through stuff like he has gone through even no no you decide to trust. God you can have a pain in your soul. You does sometimes feel like you just can't stand and one of the things that I've come I'm to realize is it's almost like I can feel that digging deeper place and I sold for God to come and reside. You're never alone in your suffering uh-huh and when you trust God in your times of suffering they will never be wasted because God will take them and he will work something good good on them and he will make you a better person than what you ever thought that you might possibly be and then the coming of you could say right now that you are the person you are because of some of the painful things that you've gone through in your life absolutely have to say that the things that I've gone through is part of what is qualified to help you. You know we gotta do is look at Jesus. It says that the things that he went through this is an Hebrews. Five eight nine. He learned learned obedience to the things that he suffered. But how could you want an obedience. When you're never disobedient? Well he learned the cost of obedience and you know obediences media says costly when you do the right thing when it doesn't feel right there's a pain involved in that and we do that because we love God in the reward may come later but right now. I'm doing this. I'm doing the hard thing. Because I love the amplified Bible and he revive nine it. It says that he learned obedience through the things that he suffered at his completed experience. Equipped Ham are experiencing. Experience a quips us. His experience. A QUIP CAM to become the author and the source of our salvation are preached a message earlier this year in a few places and I really enjoyed it called the value of experience. You know if nothing else is what you're going through right now is giving you experience and it's going to be something that you can tuck away that nobody can ever take away from you and one thing is for sure when you go through something hard and you watch God deliver you and you watch him. Bring that reward in your life honey. LemMe tell all the pain that you went through. All the waiting that you weren't through is worth that when all of a sudden God's reward comes in your life the then ties the people that hurt you will. Someday they have to watch God reward you the first Peter Four fifteen and sixteen but let none of you suffer as a murderer or thief or any sort of criminal or a mischief maker and here it comes are a meddler in the fares of other people. You thought I was making that up. It's right here in the Bible. Mind your own business now. You know the thing that I find interesting with this is all of a sudden. We're talking about murderers and thief's and criminals and in the same certains now talks about not meddling in the affairs of other people. Well wait a minute. Jesus I mean that's not. A big thing may gossip saw them. Maybe could mind my own business a little bit more. But I didn't kill anybody. I didn't rob the gas station. I mean I'm doing good now. He's got it all in the same sentence you know one of the mistakes. We made the church is we have sins. And then we have acceptable sense. We've got a whole list of these things that we just you get so used to doing that. We don't even really recognize what they are anymore. And that's why we need to pray. If you're bold enough to pray this God I don't want to get by with anything. Come on how much courage you have. How much do you want to grow? God I don't want to get by with anything. I want to be exactly what you want me to be. And if I'm doing things in my life that I'm not seeing open my bind is and unstopped my my death ears. And how does this end deal with. May however you want to. I'm approach the rest of this. Turn backwards deal with main. Are you want to but don't let me get by with nonsense. Come on. It's almost almost time for another break of what we come back tonight. You can take it. We suffer a persecution because of our faith in God. I'm telling you what if I went and read you the scriptures about persecutions and sufferings. They're going to happen to us. Just because we love God and we want to grow in him any time that you're going to take a step of progress you're gonNA get some opposition. A Wide Door of opportunity opened unto me and with it many adversaries. I don't care what it is. Maybe you've not been a good student of the Bible and you decide. We're going to join a small Bible Study Group and go every Tuesday morning while you might as well figure Monday night. You're going to have a problem because the the enemy is GonNa do whatever he can possibly do to try to keep you from making any kind of spiritual progress any idea. How many people thought they were gonNA come to this? This conference one of the things that I pray for is God. Let the people who have made a decision to come get there and let them stand stand up against whatever opposition Baguette. Kim thanks for listening dive. 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Turkey Exploits Trump's Weakness

The Young Turks

1:00:58 hr | 1 year ago

Turkey Exploits Trump's Weakness

"Excited TRT right now and you'll also get a free month on US hey guys you've heard of the young Turks podcast because you're listening to right now but may protect yourself on the Internet with the only VPN to receive a perfect score from PC and you get seventy percent off the next three years head to Nord VPN Dot Com something that has to be undertaken as a joint effort with the international community so Turkey has effectively saying yeah I guess we'll help out with we move into we will safeguard any areas that contain these prisons however we would like to we would like the management of the camps in particular Turkey has officially launched a military operation in northern Syria this is what Turkey had already threatened to do following Donald Trump on says quote in terms of the Isis fighters held in prisons which are closer to our border of course initially our priorities to provide security and stability in the areas to this commitment in addition Turkey is now responsible for ensuring all isis fighters being held captive remained in prison and that Isis does not constitute in any way shape or form who are now saying that we should treat donald trump as a god literally I'm not even kidding yeah and a King so those are two different stories all right so that's coming up Trump device court orders makes up judicial precedent of course Great News Out of Elizabeth Warren Camp. Now here's what we know so far a number of countries have waited including Saudi Arabia Saudi Arabia is unhappy about this France is not happy about this there will be a meeting fish government the Turkish government believes that at least some of those Kurds pose a security risk to their country which is why they are pushing forward with this military operation Donald Trump invaded Syria the United States is not endorsed this attack and has made it clear to Turkey that this operation is a bad idea there no American soldiers in the area arm now his statement conflicts significantly with what Turkey has put out the advisor senior advisor for the leader of Turkey I was saying the very people who believe that Americans should have no rules when it comes to obtaining guns because those guns are necessary to fight tyranny are the very same people yeah now when we get to God and country I will be animated let's put it that way all right all right let's start off with an update on Syria of various countries who are part of the UN to discuss what the next step should be but we also know that this morning Turkey a NATO ally according to Don Securing these ISIS prisoners but we're not going to do it alone we refuse to do it alone we want assistance from other countries so as usual uh when is it not a big day turkeys invaded Syria it's official not a big deal slash superbeet deal pretty big deal has committed to protecting civilians protecting religious minorities including Christians and ensuring no humanitarian crisis takes place just want to know abrupt decision to pull US troops out of the region effectively abandoning our Kurdish the Kurdish allies do not get along with the Turkey part of the reason why the military operation is able to go forward because there are no American forces in the area trump pulled them out trump's statement continues to say Turkey has committed in the first place so I don't think they should go in I'm going to explain why not in a second but if you give the full context they're not going in there for their health the just the mere history of Turkey indicates that they don't really care too much about protecting religious minorities but the statement continues and we will hold them context here one thing that I've now noticed is that most of the stories covering this have dropped explaining why Turkeys going into northern Syria they there are terrorist attacks inside of Turkey they are done by Kurdish separatist groups. Some of those realistically are connected to the Kurds these days of course so that's good so lots of show to get to do it I'm GonNa tease the show in northern Syria so that doesn't mean you should go in one year violating the sovereignty of Syria making a the Middle East a bigger mess than it already is to create a so look I it's complicated and so there there are bad actors interspersed within the groups Oh context given bad Turks go into northern Syria just you know because they felt like it no they it's a similar situation but we're also the US forces out of that region wouldn't you argue that the US forces if they continued on the Pentagon was able to continue with the plan that they had in place well I understand that Turkey perceives the Kurds is a threat or a potential threat why is it that aired Awan pushed trump to take in helping America fight Isis and I put it in quotes because it's not that simple of course they're heroes for doing that but that's also in their interest because Isis hate Israel ever does any actions everyone in the American media constantly says it's because of the terrorist terrorists terrorists terrorists they had to human shields etc now when Turkey does it there's so first of all understand that Turkey does not dislike Kurds in general okay the Kurds are huge percentage of the poppy us than saying Israel should occupy and neither should Turkey they should not role in tanks they should not do the aerial bombardment that they did today and several civilians have already died and many people are fleeing the area understandably so because bombs were dropping into those cities so look the news so they wanna do very Turkish reaction which is getting out of the way I got this I'm going to bomb the hell out of that area and that'll solve it I don't agree that terrorist group within that is Kurdish within Turkey and the Turkish majority has a loathing for them which is understandable given that they actually them and would kill them as well but do some of them helped PKK do terrorist attacks inside Turkey very likely so when American so you still can't betray the Kurds it's still a bad idea to invade and so there are no there are no angels here and there's also like who commit terrorist acts now does that loading then sometimes extend to other birds that are innocent unfortunately the answer is yes does a Turkish government overreacted times dead Turks have some proper motives some terrible motives the Kurds have some proper motives some bad motives etc now now let's talk about what we you want to kill the Turks in China or put them in concentration camps nobody cares North Korea Myanmar Kurds nobody cares I used to be terrible on that they've gotten significantly better but it's not completely solved there are better diplomatic answers okay now when you look at northern Syria those guys who are fighting we'll solve it and so I think it's a bad idea but yes they are reacting to that to those things and yes they think the US is not moving quickly enough so now given that you are American allies they did fight against Isis having them die now because America left is terrible for America because it's not just about the now notice of course he didn't do that as president it is billion fly in a row also he's an idiot and doesn't know anything about the region elation they're a minority but a significant minority in Turkey and they are some of the top politicians in Turkey etc on the other hand there's PK Canaan Kurds it's about do we ever keep our word as America when we say hey we got your back we're GonNa get your back now when we say the Kurds Hey finitely okay so I think the right answers to give Kurds every piece every right that every Turkish citizen has et Cetera they were determined definitely no we know is needed the American troops out so he can start bombing because he doesn't want to accidentally bomb in America Orleans Syria what did you think they wanted to do an incursion means an invasion by definition it means bombing what did you think they were going to do any Hugh Hewitt interviewed him and ask him about the cooks force now the cooks force is from Iran they are Shia they are Persian no he knew he knew I mean as we talked about on the show yesterday his own White House put out a statement indicating that if if it was a mild can soldier at Denny's GonNa have massive problems on his hands okay you and kill non-americans all day long in this world you WANNA kill Yemenis hundreds of thousands of nobody cares terry incursion then he would maybe be okay with it the troops would remain but if it was going to be a child military incursion that he would pull the troops out remember there are tens of thousands of Isis fighters in these prisons that are being managed and overseen by the Kurds and now they're saying the had military had a plan to have a safe zone in northern Syria was an awesome option no was the best option available I the beginning of the story is that not only are we abandoning our allies immediately after they helped us accomplish our objectives Saudi Arabia specifically said that the military action could have negative repercussions on the security of the region so who knows what they're next and they're part of the Islamic Revolutionary Guard near against this trump starts answering. Oh I looked at Kurds and Hugh Hewitt's like not the idiot did without thinking through so now he's moved the peace he comes out with these statements that we've been reading to you for the last two days where he's like Oh yeah Turkeys when you get back depends what mood is Donald Trump in what tower does he want and which country or what different things as or did a foreign leader wasted and it's not just about Turkey the United States and the Kerr's he of all these other countries involved in Syria in this proxy war now Saudi Arabia's getting involved they will be terrible consequences Goddamn it what the hell do you mean you idiot you don't know what you mean you know that in two thousand fifteen who's running for president conservative talk show host if you look if you're a plumber or identity you don't know the difference between a force in the Kurds of course you don't that's totally normal there's nothing wrong with that that's pretty deep into Middle Eastern policy we have to defend ourselves. We don't have time to focus on on Isis anymore that's not our priority we're going to do our best so think about how much that destabilizes the undermine the primary concern is the bomb about the land on my head so very reasonable thing for the Kurds to say and it's not their fault it's America's fault we are not we don't have time to fight is sending more orderly guard the jails with those tens of thousands of Isis fighters. Now you say well that's outrageous how could you possibly uh-huh my God if you kill an American then you have massive problems on your hands so that is why it was important for trump to move that chess piece off the board and that's outrageous they have an excellent point to make their like I'm busy getting bombed by Turkey I don't have time to figure out what the Hell's going on with Isis that is now a secondary concern lower lower you literally take a hundred points off that I don't think he clears eighty IQ points one move is going to be a disaster so why does Saudi Arabia they now view Turkey is not an ally of theirs because they WANNA start a war with Iraq the majority of the discussion on this issue centers around the Kurdish fighters and Turkey in reality the the individuals were really GonNa suffer are the civilians and the area and according to the International Rescue Committee as many as three hundred thousand people are likely going to miss out on humanitarian aid we will join in on the other side and now I have a NATO ally one of the top NATO allies Turkey second largest army in NATO and my actual top allies that they've been providing them people will be displaced and this military operation has already begun the bombing has already begun so civilians are already dying Oh no I'm sorry Mr trump not not the Kurds the coots force and is willing of course I knew that but the Kurds are great and was one thing we've got to protect the Kurds so he knew exactly what Turkey was going to do which is why he pulled the troops out you just explain that yourself but one other thing that I want to mention and looted because of trump and then the second part of the Isis situation is a Turkey said according to trump in that call that they would take all the Isis fighters that that was the deal trump said the very dumb wanted that so look one more thing about Isis that Anna brought up actually to repercussions of it one is Kurds go just today they announced allegation including just the crazy things arguments coming from the DOJ that just need to be aggressively debunked by Democrats but it's just not happening close ever lane only makes premium essentials using the finest materials without traditional markups. 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Young Turks we're having slight technical issue with the member comments it was okay now does add one in the Turkish government agreed that it was the best option available no they're very frustrated at how slow going and how the terrorism inside Turkey so we'll do those little bit later in the program but speaking of members I WANNA make sure that I meet somebody you guys when we're in Ohio it's in Westerville Ohio simple stylish and made from quality materials ever lane offers premium Japanese denim made at the world's cleanest Denim factory Italian AH running against Democratic incumbent so she's doing fantastic she's Morgan is singing she'll morgan is with you guys if you're in Ohio with us it's going to be at two o'clock bill today only that's it today only you get this one shot guys shop ty T. dot com and use Promo Code Act fast you need to know to start a disastrous war with Iran that they're stupid idea and we should have no piece of it but instead trump goes on the Turkey why don't you start award then maybe Saudi Arabia the House Democrats request to obtain access to a grand jury material that was part of Robert Muller's Russia investigation mm slash join Check that up all right moving onto impeachment related News Justice Department lawyers are asking a federal judge to block if you're not probably worth the price of admission the story I told about Kevin Smith and me from back in the day and his reaction to it priceless so to it dot com so you don't have to remember it right now and shop ty T. is having a sale yes or go all right so fifteen percent off that's the so house Democrats have access to the redacted version what they're asking for is the unredacted version and the whole point is to have more evidence in the act fast you need to type that Promo Code in when you go to shop ty T. dot com to get that fifteen percent off discount site wise site-wide if you tried that sort the primary is on that day on the fifteenth I'm going to be there and we're going to have a couple of candidates with us as well executor indicated and unknowledgeable action. Yup All right we gotta take a break and when we come back we have some updates on the impeachment you on this show were consistent throughout so I don't think Turkey should occupy northern Syria I don't think Israel should occupy the West Bank and Gaza Strip but when but if he was a precedent you know who our enemies are you don't know who our allies are you moron of morons so you didn't think the Turkey was going to bombard running Ohio's fifth district is going to be with us and And Morgan Harper there's a great story about her and the intercept today she's running in Columbus area okay so they tell you their real costs and are radically transparent about every step in their process from the materials they use to the ethical factories they work in there were gathering and that is in the Renaissance Westerville Polaris Hotel Okay and go to dot com slash rally and they'll send you the information there are better ways to handle it I think we had a better way to handle it until Donald Trump came in here as screwed everything up so I have a question resolve this and people are trying to flee the country for their own safety so there are people innocent people caught in the middle who are gonNA suffer as a result of Donald Trump's Hoodie it's awesome was wearing it yesterday on school last they went that you didn't catch last night it's all school if you're a member make sure you watch it edition roll into New Orleans Syria I mean I will destroy their economy if they do something wrong I mean they have every right to go in and fight terrorists I mean if they're not moderate in their actions tomorrow or the sexist shops you dot com we'll break your kneecaps or you'll get it but without the fifteen percent awesome okay this is s or yell at him or whatever is stupid fickle mood is so now we're having trouble getting allies but now when you talk about the Kurds in northern Syria yes they're heroes Oh yeah well the Europe didn't take Isis fighters and we don't want them so take these GonNa take them and as Anorexia earlier the Turkish government today yeah skin we're not gonNA take Isis fighters subscribe and give it a five star rating if you like it thank you for listening worm the actress Jane Anna with you guys on Sirius link with Iran now looked at one point that is that we agree with as progressives is let's get out in the area it's not our business if Saudi Arabia one guard to Donald Trump's obstruction of justice now this is good news because it indicates that they're actually pursuing possible charges against trump when it comes to obstruction of justice I was under the impression that they had let that go but it appears that they want more information about it but the lawyers for the DOJ Royer says I'm not advocating any specific line the judge answers that's so not helpful how okay and as I said the department is taking extraordinary position in this case well yeah when you say I have really no Lee here's how she responded the answer would be that if that same case came today a different result would be obtained and that's when the judge responded with argued that impeachment is not underway until a formal House vote Democrats say no no such vote is necessary and it's a view that the congress access to grand jury materials as part of the houses impeachment inquiry of Richard Nixon right and so this is where it gets good other it counts as a judicial proceeding while grand jury transport transcripts are secret one exception allows them to be shared for judicial proceedings Republican through the correct legal process necessary to obtain the secret material which was redacted version of the Muller report given to Congress and then later released to the public the judge seems to share now the judge hasn't made a ruling on this yet but it does appear that the judge isn't buying with the DOJ lawyer is selling the discussion all this is amazing there's technical impeachment proceedings not to pierce the grand jury to be able to get the grand jury materials so then the judge the discussion also turned back the clock to nine thousand nine hundred seventy four when the judge who presided over the Watergate cases granted the argument turns in part on whether the White House or whether the house whether the house is conducting a formal impeachment inquiry and it's it's absurd it is absurd and I would laugh if I weren't so frustrated with the Soup L. Opinion to rely on I just don't want to do that that is extraordinary and so that's what he referred to the Watergate rulings superior of the DOJ lawyer was asked well what you're asking for kind of changes precedent are you not accepting the precedent that was set during the Watergate case and L. Legal sense at all it's point judge goes wow that was my favorite part of me and my grandma when she goes boom so is the DOJ lawyer in this case and she told chief US District Judge Beryl howl that the House Judiciary Committee has not gone asks okay were should line be drawn then okay how formal does the preceding need to be there trump's lawyer or the Justice Department ridiculous so now it's not the only time that happened their lawyer said that there needs to be some degree of formalities when Anna was referring to about whether the we there's very clear rulings on what we should do in yes the house allowed to get this stuff so how do you respond me no like that it's not a legal argument man so you made up a thing that doesn't exist the judge asks you okay well then what's your new standard where do you draw the line and you go I don't know timid response coming from Democrats your this is what they're dealing with right they're dealing with an administration that contains lawyers that have no shame right it's absurd there's legal orders you have to follow them they just go to court and go rhino and they said what's your argument I don't know I just don't WanNa follow so let's Shapiro's there is no limit to the nonsense that they'll demand and Democrats are allowing the DOJ and the trump administration specifically to the frame everything right so we take seriously until there's a four will vote in the house and is this a formal he's being investigated this is an impeachment investing nation like they're they're constantly moving the goalposts they have no shame and I just feel like if the shoe was on the other foot and you had Republicans are problematic here to say the least one come on man attack attack on read the quote we just read like most why don't you get super aggressive with the Republicans and the DOJ in this case and say no no the middle president that you are enabling right now does not get to set the standards for how we do this investigation he is being investigated people are not going to know about this exchange no one knows about this the reason we're covering it because it's important it's important to find out if they are so rules in this country obstructing justice with this new investigation like you don't like you can play this in a way where you protect your you know your important moderate being an investigation on a Democratic president no they would steamroll like there's no they're not even entertaining this stuff yeah so look there are two parts of why Democrats Democrats while not allowing the Republicans to frame this that's the thing about Democrats they allow Republicans to frame everything why reason why you wouldn't hold a formal vote to begin impeachment you don't need it but as I said it's a matter of optics and they had done it in the past opposite party there in the other party you're supposed to fight back against Republicans which helps you win elections but they really have internalized they have Stockholm Syndrome since there is no legal precedent to have that vote in the first place you should have access to the very documents you're demanding as Democratic Leadership Hillis these people are and the judge is laughing at them in court etc now that's was on the other side of it is this argument of the trump team is making you have to have a formal impeached Oh for God's sake speaker Pelosi make up your mind well I perceive from strength for once in your life I agree with you on that but at the same time Ling that are supportive of this impeachment investigation and my guess is more and more Republicans are signing onto this because the humint vote to proceed well Beto rourke and others are now saying on the campaign trail wanting just have the vote so if you're wondering right and because it's not their job their job is to cover the news so Democrats you have to make news then you do a press conference you read the quotes out loud and go look at how absurd and reduced question that on multiple occasions Donald Trump spoke to foreign leaders with the intent of digging up dirt on his political rivals which it's not really a legal argument okay but for as a matter optics why not have it well Nancy is always like I'm worried about the conservative Democrats did the DOJ which is supposed to be independent rather than a serving as as lawyers for the president specifically should not get in the way of this He Mary's right now anyone who thinks quizzes is look no one could actually be that stupid even if you're as dumb donald trump you still wouldn't believe that no her why out of all these politicians is trump directing foreign leader to look into these two individuals come on the top two in the Democratic Party all right well let's move on to another story an increasing number of Republicans are arguing that Donald Trump should be they'd say otherwise are dishonest actors so this should be the layup of layups so that means the Democrats have a fifty fifty chance added that from happening when news of Ukraine came up that was nixed in the White House but nonetheless Joe Digenova goes on Fox think the best way to preserve those seats to frame things in a way that's helpful to trump or in a way this hurtful to trump I don't know if the Democrats know this they are in the Ingraham Shell specifically and he makes this case what you're seeing is regicide regicide by another name fake impeachment treated as a King and the latest individual is Joe Digenova who was previously considered as one of Donald Trump's lawyers but there was a conflict that first one anonymous informant that a second anonymous informer I refuse to call them whistle blowers these two nonentities complain to the Inspector General was paid democratic operative of the Democratic Party suicide bomber obviously we start getting people are suicide bombers that the Democrats have unleashed on the democratic process. It's pretty obvious that this first suicide bomber who sent it Oh oh my God I just because you're gonNA have a vote on impeachment anyway master legislator she things done like look the only sure you're framing is crystal clear exactly instead of constantly helping them with their framing by kissing there there's a growing number of Republican voters according to why don't the Democrats just had the boat he doesn't really matter legally doesn't matter there they had the rights to the grand jury material the rights witnesses and all these rights it doesn't it I think that person's political ideology played no role there was no bias involved in the formal whistleblower complaint and by the way business country but the rest of the media won't cover something and it certainly will not stay on this story they may cover once they do here right and then they move on aw come are you during the impeachment or aren't you so what are you gonNa do we know what that means that means she's still thinking about backing which is rare and unusual release the statement on the whistle blower and his or her political leanings the statement specifically said that they swing you guys that the Jennifer couldn't be Donald Trump's lawyer is because he was helping one of Manafort's associates in other words he was a lawyer for one of the people that were is who is corrupt in Ukraine comes on Fox News like Oh you're helping the corrupt people Ukraine oh that's perfect irony come on Knoller isn't he wouldn't hold one is if you think you might not vote at the end non-impeachment because if you're going to vote at the end on impeachment what difference does it make if you voted the beginning you're dishonest you know that he's looking into his political he's asking four numbers look into his political opponents and that's a crime everybody knows it the only people that the discussing rhetoric that was used in that clip I do want to just quickly note that the Inspector General for the intelligence community specifically wait in released a statement is damning okay and no one knows who this member of the intelligence community has no one there's just preemptively smearing this individual because they're going after so that's an interesting way to refer to them to they take their job is to blow things up and are there terrorists the impeachment proceedings but later they get cold feet or we change our mind and then I've exposed them when I didn't need to expose them because I wanted to have an escape hatch so they might never have to vote Dan it doesn't make any difference right the only reason why you wouldn't vote in the beginning is the conservative Democrats in the trump districts what if they vote yes summary of the transcript the whistle blower report all of that stuff was crystal clear it was concise and it was easy to understand there is no someone in the in the government not just the president anyone in the government is doing something wrong with they killed someone they broke a law whatever it might be that's why we have whistle blower they've internalized that district anything near Purple I have to kiss Republican us no you have to fight harder against Republicans pants anyway I can't believe that these informants are turning evidence with law enforcement that's sucks okay so we have laws protecting whistleblowers for good reason because we don't want the government to be above the law and we don't and if there's evidence that clued Joe Biden that's getting a lot of attention but also Elizabeth Warren Elizabeth Warren Okay so he hit up China was like Yo what's Elizabeth Warren up to can you look in is notorious for making this argument that the Second Amendment is necessary and a lack of gun laws is necessary in order to protect the American I said I refuse to call them whistleblowers their informants like does that really make it better informants means that your informing on a criminal activity we think it for me it's all about the corruption that they're guilty of it's all about protecting their own special interests while at the same time pushing for authority I am of course as suicide bombers so now I'm getting to that now let's break that analogy down so one suicide bombers die I know and law enforcement their bread and butter is using informants against mob figures against drug dealers yes murderers okay so all of this is in service of their beloved king who they know is corrupt and that's why they call the people against them informants they hate the people from a tyrannical government so they're disingenuous about all of that we know for a fact it's all about the NRA money so they just they they don't believe in democracy guys are fascist through and through okay and then move on to the next choice awards us see it is and this idiot who is a lawyer that trump was considering hiring his lawyer comes out and goes no no no trump is totally innocent I can't believe these make gave him the it was lower complete doesn't even matter what matters is the transcript now I know we have a summary of the transcript but that's submarine the transcript that was released by the White House up okay I guess they're going to die along with it okay suicide bombers now that's not an accident that using that and and Laura Ingram clarified are involved in the Ukrainian corruption how do you like that for irony right only concerned about corruption in Ukraine that's why I was going to hire the guy who said defending the people historically that's exactly what the right wing in this country have done and they wanna do it again and one of the things that they're absolutely terrified of and that's why they were hater Obama's okay thank you for revealing who you really are authoritarian fascist to your core we gotta take a break but when we come back there's a breaking news story it looks like we'll pretend we're really concerned about corruption in Ukraine where we brought to the lawyer who is corrupt people in Ukraine hilarious hilarious okay so now but Liani Laura Ingraham they're all deeply un-american they don't believe in democracy at all they don't believe in rule of law they just believe in power we have the power we use it to oppress donald trump is going around in his stupid allies going around saying impeachments unconstitutional well that's funny because it's kind of in the constitution making absurd argument the the Democrats in the house want to destroy the president they don't WanNa preserve the republic there there's nothing honorable about what is happening we get so last thing on this guys if if you're about those districts that could go back to Republicans and then jeopardize the house I'm concerned to brother but do you damned trump is the king of the dumbed that's funny and then stands her safety strategy is what they did Nixon was very unfair yeah I'm sure he believes that Chris Dunn ran says I've heard of the queen of the protections now these thug fascist go on Fox News and say well Yeah Okay God damn informants trying to blow us our political suicide bombers I'm glad she did that actually 'cause with Fox News audience on other people in the Fox News audience have heard rhetoric like that so much and why they love trumps so much is Oh my God minorities now are rising as a percentage of the population and we might have to treat them equally oh instead of having the being able to oppress them that is why they are now talking of kings and talking about who cares about the constitution and impeachment procedure Taylor is ready to talk there's some drums oh that would do it man God to be true it's breaking news and went tried to kill people so and if you notice the CETERA didn't play along with that at all he didn't back that up he almost seemed to shake head when she was mentioning that so their dear leader in the case of agenda a king yeah so let's bring you down first of all this great irony the reason is in a park love for him to be mistaken yeah it definitely could depend on the case and on impeachment it might never make it a supreme court it might have nothing to do with the Supreme Court so all this Friday is going to be on Roku Zumo Pluto and Youtube TV it's also going to be of course for our members we'll get it to you as soon as we come back we hope you're enjoying this free clip from the young Turks if you WanNa get the whole show and more seuss of content while supporting independent media proper as we are everyday six to nine pm but this Friday just on those outlets you have almost certainly one of those is somewhere in your house talk about what he said regicide means killing king not a president it's the tech definition is king and so he just saying he saying it out loud we'll of course law enforcement they hate rule of law they and law and order they just WanNa be able to get away with their crimes that's who they are and I just want to note that the right wing so ty T. dot com slash joined to become 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DOT com or any of those wonderful outlets normally we'd be live on youtube like this because they don't believe in democracy it was a thing that they used they used to oppress others and to Lord over them and now they're gonNA lose their forty in their opinion and according to facts like well those screw democracy no voting rights voter suppression screw the Constitution we got a king so obviously he doesn't really know how the system works so Taylor said Kosovo Democrats are a dying breed step up Lucy Ronin one said basically trump harian like he referred to trump is a king it's disgusting they never believed in democracy those guys the hey jumping in and they're saying no we want to stop that from happening did you want to jump in J yeah no look as usual unprecedented claims making really matt suicide get a sense of okay if you're still think that then you really should watch another show we have to spell it all out for so before we get into back on the young Turks so let's go to Obama comments I a guy says and this is handled are guy trump is working on the subject of the Supreme Court has his back I would antic majesty on twitter says when do we start calling this fascism might now okay I did it earlier in the segment earlier in the show all right Friday power panel eh become a member of dot com slash joined today in the meantime enjoy this free set basically that we have on those outlets okay and breaking news this is a pretty big breaking news story so a new report indicates that Donald Trump had yes I have it in several places we have twenty four hour channel their check it out a love watching other TRT shows anytime I want As a cable channel their money in offshore tax havens come right back it's amazing it's amazing can you imagine if Obama's secretary of state one of whom was Hillary Clinton be illegal now what's also interesting is rex tillerson has been on the record talking about how often Donald Trump would request that he does illegals was a Raza Zohrab now the lawyer representing this individual was Rudy Giuliani who wasn't even Donald Trump's personal lawyer against Iranian Turkish gold trader who was laundering money for Iran he later pleaded guilty but luckily rex tillerson repeated his objections to then chief of Staff John Kelly in a hallway conversation just outside the Oval Office emphasizing that the request would at that time now there were other participants in the Oval Office as Donald Trump made this request and according to Bloomberg they were shocked by the request Tillerson immediately things Tillerson has said publicly that the president frequently asked him to do things that were legal here's his direct quote so often the president would say here's what I WANNA do incompetence the former Secretary of state for Donald Trump has said publicly he would often ask the break the law you just heard the quote is to do what trump wanted him to do according to Bloomberg Tillerson refused arguing it would constitute interference in an ongoing investigation of the trader his name former CEO of Exxon Mobil Exxon had a giant oil contract with Russia. That's the only reason I still was secretary of state in the first place I mean what the Hell's this here's how I WanNa do it and I would have to say to him Mr President I understand what you WanNa do what you can't do it that way is violates the law it violates you're a sophisticated corruption where they would follow the laws but they would manipulate things and finally get the sanctions lifted so they could Exxon could do that deal in him and all his buddies would get said Obama would add often asked me to break the law do you think the Republicans might have investigated that so the Democrats finally kind trump's in a world of trouble man tillerson testify and if he is even twenty percent honest with what has happened it's over I mean the Guy Seo Exxon Mobil doing a secretary of state the corruption was obvious from day one yeah but Tillerson is unlike trump is smart so he said they'd go in and I'm started impeachment on Ukraine Tillerson said that way earlier he said Oh yeah trump would asked me to break the laws nothing nothing from the Democrats so anyway goads tillerson hates trump dollar isn't he wouldn't testify is because he might have dirty hands on Russia and he doesn't want to implicate himself okay as treaty and you know and he and you know he just he got really frustrated when we'd have those conversations look it goes dead a good combination of what's happening with Turkey in Syria and also donald trump and his disingenuous comments in regard to Iran so now Erawan wanted the charges dropped against this individual zohrab right so he edge but trump comes in music to Giuliani's representing this criminal caygill break the law and get the criminal out Senate back to Turkey I like Turkey because I've got deals with them that's how we're going to do it yeah I'm not GonNa do that I'm not GonNa go to jail you idiot so let me fill in the blanks on that because this story is actually a pretty the one urging trump to get these charges dropped this guy was being investigated by our DOJ because he was laundering money for Iran and remember Iran is dealing with sanctions right so that's why the DOJ would investigate this so in order to do a favor for Amazon trump then pressures rex tillerson to then go round and pressure the DOJ to drop the charges and the investigation against this individual look okay so at this point given the several massive favors an unexpected and ridiculous favors and trump is done Turkey grab conversations with anybody in the trump administration about this individual that you're representing he said no then they caught him and they said okay fine I did not really a violation of of not only treaties but laws Mr President and we cannot break the law and Nancy Pelosi and Chuck Schumer we're like meeting meeting meeting meeting so what other promises have Saudi Arabia made one of the calls that are hidden away in the secret service are from trump to Mohammed bin Salman the big papers for Saudi Arabia to I know he has financial interests in Saudi Arabia he's the guy who

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Charles the Beloved, the Mad, the Fool

Noble Blood

28:30 min | 3 weeks ago

Charles the Beloved, the Mad, the Fool

"Welcome to noble blood. Production of iheartradio and grim mile from aaron minke listener discretion is advised. It was january thirteen. Ninety three and the queen of france queen isabel wish throwing a bomb ostensibly. The ball was to celebrate the third marriage of a twice widowed lady in waiting but really the party's purpose was a little broader. The queen's husband can charles. the sex was often. Ill prone to fits and bouts of insanity that would last month's queen isabel liked to hold plenty of events at court to distract and entertain the king and hopefully keep him in his right mind. The main event of this ball would be a chivalry featuring six senior nights. The night would dress up in costumes. As wild men from forest and then delight the attendees at the party by dancing and howling and screaming in their faces stipulating them running around in a frenzy and inviting the party guests to guess their identities. If you've never dressed as a wild man from the forest before or if you're planning on doing it next. Halloween the costumes involved covering the men from head to toe in linen soaked in pitch and then sticking on enough flex so they looked harry and well why their faces were also covered in masks made of the same linen soaked in pitch covered in dried flax. No one not. Even the queen knew that one of the six mysterious dancing wild man was actually king. Charles the sex. The raucous celebration began and women in the crowd screamed as the half dozen men leaped around them and then late to the party came the duke of orleans. The king's brother the duke of orleans was drunk and holding a torch. Part of the game of the chivalry was guessing which knights were hidden beneath the layers of extremely flammable linen and pitch and dried flax. And so the duke leaned in closer to get a better look. Maybe you see where this is going. The wild man burst into flames as he flailed he quickly ignited the other wild men around him. A young duchess only fourteen recognized the king and manage to protect him from the sparks with her skirts. But for the rest of the men. It was a gruesome scene the smell of burning pitch and then charred flesh filled the room a cardinal wrote that he watched the burnt genitals of one of the men fall to the floor releasing a stream of blood. One of the other night was able to save himself by jumping into a barrel of wine but aside from the king. The rest of the men perished from the flames. The evening would come to be known as the baldassare dawn ball of the burning men. It's a grisly chapter that unfortunately seems to represent the reign of charles the sex. His reign was an era of chaos and voices shouting over each other for control as king. Charles would be trailed by tragedy by civil war and foreign invasion but his most pernicious enemy would be his own mind for thirty years. The king would suffer alternating periods of lucidity and madness as his kingdom fell into disarray. Him the king would be as powerless as he was that night. The ball of the burning men as he watched his friends fall and burn death at what should have been a party. I'm danish schwartz. And this is noble blood. Charles's father died when he was just eleven years old a few weeks before his twelfth birthday the age of majority for taking over a kingdom in the thirteen hundred was fourteen. And so in. The meantime in came charles's uncles. The duties of the kingdom were divided up amongst them. His paternal uncle's g brothers of the former king. We're the most important. They were the duke of anjou. The duke of burgundy also known as philip the bold and the duke of berry duke of zhou became regent burgundy took over the royal household and berry was given the governorships of the regent of longer duck and aquitaine charles's one maternal uncle. The duke of herbal assisted with the royal salt as you can imagine. Chaos ensued lake evil uncles out of a fairytale. the group of them known as the sires to florida were selfish and avaricious less interested in running the country and more interested in using their newfound power to benefit themselves undoing. All of the good work that the dead king charles. The fifth had done lowering taxes in the meantime the regent the duke of zhou. I snatched whatever treasures he could from the dead king's private treasury then to make more money for himself and also to fund the increasingly expensive years war he sales taxes and withheld payment from troops. The troops didn't take that very well in retaliation. Soldiers flocked to paris in protest to quote w. h. jarvis's a history of france. The furious and underpaid troops took to the streets to commit quote every kind of excess more details about what those excesses are aren't given so unfortunately we'll have to use our imagination. Their outrage was directly against the regent and they demanded that the duke of anju low were the new taxes of course faced with an angry mob of soldiers the duke conceded but his concession was only temporary. There would be another tax on cloth and another right this time in rome but this time the region was ready to put the riott down with swift and immediate force. The leaders of the revolt Cupid and the duty uncloth continued now that he had tasted victory in subduing the masses. The duke of zhou would no longer concede or back down. He enacted a new tax in paris. An excise duty on produce sold in markets that led to another massive inspection in which people stormed government offices and released the prisoners the chevrolet but the group of protesters called the melatonins didn't have a natural leader and so the ferber and energy of the riots. Eventually dissipated terms could be negotiated. The court declared that the tax would be abandoned and that there would be amnesty for the riders. For a moment. There was calm until the courts started with arrests. And the amnesty be damned. Finally the city's advocate general arranged to pay the duke of anju a hundred thousand francs if there would be no more retaliation for the protest. The duke happily agreed almost immediately after this strategic and domestic disaster. The ducal von. Juke got word from his cousin. Joanna of naples that she was making him her successor so as one does he waved goodbye. France and bounded off with a small army to naples where he was already to feed out a competing heir to the throne but before he did that. The duke of you died suddenly in italy. One uncle down but no matter philip. The bold duke of burgundy took over duties as regions. The duke of burgundy had married the heiress of flanders. He used the power of france to control that region against insurrection with a brutal fist. The people of gant who had been rebellious were met with the full power of jervis calls quote repay ships and fruitful aristocracy wanting another ally to defend flanders particularly against the threat from the english the duke of burgundy arranged for his nephew the king to marry isabella of bavaria charles. The sixth was sixteen. Isabelle was a few years younger. You might recall that. The age of majority in france was fourteen and that by this point charles was well past it. So why then did he keep letting his uncle's control the country's affairs. Well we don't really know. Charles didn't seem that interested in being king. It seems as though he thought that his uncles were doing the hard parts of his job for him and he was free to hunt and ride and drink with his friends but soon his uncle's mounting military failures would leave charles no choice but to finally accept his crown. I there was a disastrously failed invasion of england when fleet was hit by a devastating storm off the coast of brittany and then the duke of berry having not supported the invasion in the first place delayed until the and season meant it was too late to sail england swept in attacked and destroyed several friendships easily. But there was more that philip the bold duke of burgundy wanted his nephew to do. It didn't call him the bolt for nothing. The duke of burgundy said that the king needed to mount an expedition against a man named duke. William mcgee druze. Who had somehow insulted. Charles burgundy said but who had absolutely insulted burgundies wife's aunt in other words. It was a petty family. Squabble and the duke of burgundy wanted to use the power of the king of france and so young charles mounted the expedition like his uncle asked the end. It led to nothing. Charles lost a number of troops and in the end when he did win all he asked for was for william of druce to apologize which he did. The cardinal bishop of lawn spoke up at the next council board meeting by now. The king was twenty one years old. It was time for him to terminate the regency and cut free his selfish battle. Hungry uncles charles agreed. He told his uncle's he would be taking over. And with all of the grace and charm in the world. His uncle's respectfully conceited their power over to him that very same day cardinal bishop laun died of suspected poisoning. But that could just be. You know complete coincidence. As official king charles. The sex reinstalled the incredibly competent and wash ministers that his father had used a group both affectionately and mockingly called the marmoset. The marmosets together. They brought back the sensible tax policies and laws that had disappeared in the confusion and selfishness of the four-way regency. It's at this point. That charles gets his first nickname charles. Libyan army charles the beloved. But it wouldn't last. Just a few years later disaster and death would reach charles and cling to him for the rest of his life in thirteen. Ninety to one of the king's closest advisors and allies. A man named oliver declare had an attack on his life. By another gentleman named pierre. Crown crown was a young cousin of the duke of brittany and recently. He had been distanced from court. He blamed oliver declares offer his change in fortunes and so one evening. When oliver declared john was walking home. Crowd and a few friends ambushed him in the street and left him for dead. Fortunately oliver douglas all lived crown on the other hand fled to the safety of his cousin in brittany who took him under his protective custody. Well that would not stand for king charles the sex. He needed justice for his friend and so on july first. The king mounted an expedition towards brittany. The summer was sweltering and the pace of the party. Traveling was excruciatingly slow a few weeks into their journey at the northwestern city of the mall. The king came down with an illness that kept him in bed for three weeks. The kings physicians wanted to keep him in bed for longer but charles refused even though he still had a fever. He mounted his horse and demanded that the party continue. That day was august fed and it was sweltering hot the road for a few quiet hours while the sun basted down on them from directly overhead and then a man appeared on the road he sometimes described as a leper or a beggar but either way this man jumped in front of the horses and started waving his arms ride. No further noble king. He shouted turn back thou art betraying. He kept repeating bet over and over again. Thou art betrayed thou art betrayed. The king's guards forced the man out if the road and shook him off but the man wouldn't leave he continued to walk behind the horses shouting up at the royal procession. Thou art betrayed. The man was matt clearly. The king ignored him in fact the king found that he could ignore most things in the hot august. Heat with the gentle lulling stride horse beneath them. The king felt himself sinking into something of a stupor until a crash. A page had fallen asleep on his horse and dropped a lance which struck a helmet with a loud bang. Charles six went mad. He pulled his sword and started whipping back and forth a his own men. You're all traders. He cried the king stabbed at his nights and men flailing wildly by the time they were able to disarm the king. He had already murdered one of his own soldiers and wounded several others. After a few days when the king came to and his fever broke he was deeply regretful and ashamed of what he had done. He was haunted by his uncles. Would take over again just for a bit just until the king was well again if he ever got well again. They said in private just a few years. Later more of charles's friends suffered grim accidental debts at the ball of the burning men. What was meant to be a lighthearted romp to lighten the kings spirits became a living nightmare of the four men who eventually died from their burns. Only one died that evening. The other three died. Slow and painful deaths with burns covering most of their bodies for his part. The king's brother. The duke of orleans felt horribly guilty for being the one who had held the initial torch. The people of france were outraged. When word of the tragedy reached them was it attempted regicide. How had anyone allowed the king to be put in such a position of danger in order to appease the public the duke of orleans and several of the king's advisors embarked on a literal walk of shame while the king rode on horseback beside them to the notre dame cathedral to do public penance. The duke of aurelien also paid for a chapel to be built at a nearby monastery. The people still loved their king. Charles the beloved but he would test that love for the rest of his reign and eventually he would take on a new epithet. Charles lefou or charles. The mat for three to five months charles would be completely lucid and saying a man for anywhere from three to nine months he would lose his tether to reality forgetting his own name. Forgetting he was king unable to recognize any of his children or his wife isabel once when his wife came to his bedchamber hoping to Personally reminded her husband of who she was an exasperated. Charles just told his servants to take care of whatever it was that this woman seemed to want. He didn't realize why that was funny when it wasn't indifference towards loved ones. It was outright animosity. The only family member he seemed able to recognize was his sister-in-law the duchess of orleans jealous of her relative power over the king. The king's uncle the duke of burgundy remember him took advantage of the era's superstitions and said that the duchess had only made herself known to the king with sorcery burgundy had her banished from court. This tension between burgundy and orleans would become an important pattern in thirteen ninety five king. Charles spent weeks claiming that he was saint. George you ran around a lot of the time. His staff would have to wall off entrances to the kings residences so that he wouldn't get lost and they wouldn't lose track of him in fourteen. O five charles didn't bathe or change his clothes for five months. It was around this time that he suffered from the glass delusion. The idea that he himself was made of glass and that he could shatter at any moment. He was obsessed with protecting himself from shattering insisting on having iron rods sewn into his clothing so he could say straits and unharmed when he might be forced to interact with anyone just as it had been during his childhood. Having no clear region for the king meant that the kingdom fell into confusion and chaos nearing anarchy as rival factions. The queen the king's oldest son the far the duke of burgundy and the duke of orleans were all vying for power after the duke of burgundy died in his. His claim to power is taken up by his son john. The fearless the new duke of burgundy in fourteen seven was. The queen was recovering from an illness. The duke of orleans visited her every day at the end of november. The duke received a message from the king saying that he needed him at the palace immediately. The duke of orleans left to go heat his brother's request but the message was a fake meant to lure him out onto the street where he was attacked and killed. So who killed the king's brother. Well john the fearless. The new duke burgundy didn't really deny that he did in order to avenge his father's death. The new duke of orleans enlisted the support of his father in law the duke of armagnac and thus began the armagnac burgundian civil war. All of this was happening at the same time as the ongoing hundred-year war with england as a rule. You don't want have a civil war at the same time you're also fighting off an external enemy. It gets a little complicated with the battles and rival factions but the cliff notes version. Is that in all of the chaos henry. The fifth of kenneth branagh. Shakespeare fame swept into france and won the battle of asian core in fourteen fifteen. During a period of lucidity charleston's sex signed the treaty of trois with named henry the fifth as charles successor and married henry to one of charles's daughters in the shakespeare version of the story. The treaty happened right after asian core. But really these things are slow and undramatic. It was five years later charles. The sex is the unnamed. French king in the shakespeare play but none of charles's madness is referenced instead. If you've read henry the fifth the french king is portrayed as just indecisive dominated by the overbearing presence of his ministers and advisers when charles. Six finally does die. It's met with wales in the streets. They cry for him in a way that they didn't at all for his uncle's or his brother. Even after thirty years of madness he was still charles the beloved. That's the story of charles the sex but keep listening after a brief sponsor break to hear a little bit of what happened in france after his death and quick personal. 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A the treaty of trois made henry the fifth of england next in line for the french throne but henry died before charleston which made henry's son henry the sixth the next french king upon charles's death the baby was crowned in paris at notre dame but his son the dafa who should have gotten thrown didn't take that lying down. He fought to win back. His crown from the english usurpation and the default had an advantage. You see there was this peasant who led a siege at means got lasted only nine days and then this peasant led the troops through another handful of quick and miraculous victories. And the the thought to make it to rhyme where he would be crowned. Charles the seven. Eventually this peasant who bolstered the french troops to victory would be captured by the burgundian sect of french nobles who are allied with the english. I told you it. Got a little complicated between the burgundian and orleans after being put on trial the peasant was burned at the stake but she was later canonized as a catholic saint. she sometimes called the maid of orleans. But you probably know her as joan of arc. Noble blood is a production of i heart radio and grim and mild from airing minke. The show is written and hosted by dana schwartz and produced by aaron. Minke matt frederick alex williams and trevor young noble blood is on social media at noble blood tales. And you can learn more about the show over at noble blood tales dot com for more podcasts from radio visit the iheartradio app apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.

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Episode 136 Franklin in Paris

American Revolution Podcast

28:45 min | 10 months ago

Episode 136 Franklin in Paris

"Thank you for joining the American Revolution Today. Episode one thirty six Franklin in Paris when we last left France back in episode one fifteen Silas Deane was doing his best to procure arms and equipment for the continental army as well as trying to convince France to support the American cause and go to war with Britain recall that Dean had arrived in France in. May Seventeen seventy six with quite a few obstacles. In his way he had no diplomatic experience. He had never been to Europe before he did not know anyone in France and did not speak French on top of that he had prominent enemies among fellow patriots. Like Arthur Lee attacking him from the outset. He also managed to hire a British spy Edward Bancroft as his personal secretary. Despite all these setbacks Dean had managed to establish communications with the French Foreign Minister Charles Crabbe comp diversion with the tacit support of Virginian. Dean had established a relationship with a shell. Company CAU- Rodriguez Horta Lesin company run by playwright and international arms dealer Pierre Augustine Koran. Dave Boehmer Shea. The men had managed to fill shiploads of supplies for America however the British Embassy in France headed by David Murray also known as Lord Stormont manage to get the French government to seize. Most of those supplies France was still not completely on board with backing the Patriots. At least not openly even after learning of the Declaration of Independence France did not WANNA start another war with Britain open support of the United States as an independent nation. What most certainly precipitate such a war support for the American cause however was growing inside France in addition to the possibly worthless paper money dean was using in France. His other useful currency was his self appointed power to hand out commissions in the continental army. French officers seeking combat. Experience would go to America as generals or other ranks higher than they held in the French army. Many officers jumped at this opportunity by late. Seventeen seventy six. Congress had voted to sending a little more help. It appointed Arthur Lee and Benjamin Franklin as Co Commissioners. Both men arrived in Paris near the end of seventeen. Seventy six as I've mentioned in earlier episodes. The trio did not get along particularly well specifically lead. Did Not like Franklin or Dean and the feeling seemed mutual Lee had worked with Franklin when the two men were both colonial agents in London before the War Lee was extremely dismissive of Franklin's diplomatic skills and thought he would be a disaster even worse Lee Attack Teens. Covert aid setup claiming that the French government was giving assistance to the Americans at no cost. Deans Trading Company had made arrangements to ships flies to America in exchange for tobacco and other raw materials. Lee indicated that Dean was going to skim those raw materials shipped to France for his personal profit. Taking advantage of the secretive nature of these transactions. Lee New his accusations were false. He had personally helped. Set up the terms with Bomar shy and was just upset that he had been cut out of getting commissions himself. His attack seemed to be a way to get dean sent home under a cloud of questions while Congress investigations to get to the truth. Lee could take over as the key American in charge of French. Arms shipments joining Dean Franklin and Lee the three commissioners in Paris was a fourth man. Ralph Izard of South Carolina. Izard had been living in London for several years before leaving in seventeen. Seventy six as an outspoken patriot. He no longer felt welcome there. He moved to Paris planning to return to South Carolina before he could return. Congress appointed him commissioner to Tuscany in early. Seventeen seventy seven. Tuscany is part of Modern Day. Italy the Grand Duke of Florence. Who Ruled Tuscany? Refuse to admit Izard as an ambassador for fear it would harm. His relationship with Britain is spent the next couple of years living in Paris corresponding from there with Tuscan officials. Un-diplomatic MATTERS IZARD and Commissioner Arthur. League did seem to get along. Although Lee also convinced izard that Franklin was not competent so izard and Franklin did not get along at all either. It seems that izard thought that Franklin should consult with him and keep him more in the loop then Franklin cared to do the two would continue their ongoing feud in Paris until izard was recalled. A few years later in seventeen seventy nine Benjamin Franklin of course was the Rockstar of this delegation. He had hoped to stay out of the public notice until he had a chance to get a better idea of whether the French court would receive him. As a minister he landed on the French coast at a small. Coastal village called al-raei with his two grandsons William Temple Franklin and Benjamin Franklin Becky. Despite landing in an inconspicuous port aboard a local fishing vessel. The French people mobbed Franklin and greeted him with enthusiasm by the time he reached Nancy as a few days later. The city had arranged a grand ball in his honour. Franklin's reputation had preceded him he may have been the most well known person in France from North America. Many of his writings and accounts of his inventions and scientific experiments had preceded him Frenchmen and women strain to meet the scientist and philosopher who was raised in the American wilderness locals began producing images of Franklin for sale. It became fashionable for people to have portraits on their walls. His image appeared on coins. Signet rings and snuff boxes. If bobbleheads had been invented there definitely would have been a Franklin bobblehead reprints have many of his older books translated into French of course flowed into bookstores all over the country despite his speaking almost no French Franklin had little trouble with inclusion in French society he played into his man of the Wilderness. Persona by wearing simple homespun clothing inequality or style in fashion obsessed Paris. Where more complex was always better. This was almost shocking. Franklin also refused to wear a wig when outdoors or when meeting with others. This was the fashion equivalent today of not wearing a shirt. It wouldn't exactly get you arrested. But it was seen as rather shocking for anyone other than the lowest of classes but these distinctions only played into the mythos and made Franklin even more popular. This was a deliberate strategy. Franklin knew full well what to wear when he had visited Paris in seventeen sixty seven. He had purchased a WIG and clothing to fit in with society on this trip dressed as the plane. American Franklin stood out and turned heads with his non-conforming style after his stay in Nana's Franklin made his way onto Paris with all the accolades along the way it took him weeks to get to the city although he got attention Franklin did not speak publicly about his purpose in coming to France is secretive nature only led to more speculation British Ambassador Lord. Stormont spread the story that he was fleeing America with his two grandsons before the rebellion collapsed while French society greeted Franklin warmly. The government was less enthusiastic. Foreign Minister version ordered the arrest of anyone who suggested Franklin's arrival presaged a treaty between France and America for Jan was desperately trying to avoid triggering a war with Britain. France simply could not afford a war and was not ready for one to begin for Jan did hold a discreet meeting with Franklin undescended twenty eighth seventeen seventy six weeks after his arrival. Silas Deane introduced Franklin and also attended as did Arthur Lee at that meeting Franklin outlined his agenda which included not only more French military aid but a treaty that would bring France into the war on America side at this time in late December France had received word that the British had attacked and Occupied York and New Jersey with no effective resistance. The continental army seemed to be falling apart. And the American rebellion might come to an end at any day. Although Washington's successful attack on Trenton had just taken place word of that feet would not reach France for at least another month in light of all. This version was non committal to anything and urge Franklin to keep a lower profile Franklin realized that patients would be required however keeping a low profile was not part of his plan Franklin borrowed and state at Pasay a few miles outside of Paris actually today. It's a neighborhood in Paris. But in seventeen seventy six it was part of the country side outside of Paris between Paris and Versailles the owner of the home jock donation. Laret Day chaumont was a prominent aristocrat. Who was a big supporter of the American? 'cause he served the king in several important positions and was one of the wealthiest men in France in addition to owning several shipping companies. He built several factories. For making glassware and other products among the products were portrait medallions made for European royalty. And of course his works pumped out a great many. Franklin medallions after his arrival. Despite his wealth and status Chaumont was an idealist who supported the Patriot cause in America is home in the Lower Valley was more of a palace you can still visit the Chateau Day Shimon today. I have a picture of it on my blog. He kept the house in Pasay. As a place to stay near the court ever Si- though it was more than just a cottage it was a grand mansion with a main house and two wings there were several outbuildings and gardens a large domestic staff tended to the estate Chamo- allowed Franklin the use of the past the estate rent free along with food and use of the staff. Franklin was living like a French nobleman although he eventually began paying rent Franklin would live there for nearly a decade Franklin continued to wear simple commoner clothing and hairstyle but there was nothing common about the way he lived in France. Franklin sent one of his grandsons. Benjamin Baqi Age seven to a nearby boarding school. He would visit his grandfather once a week back. He was the son of Franklin's daughter. Sally Franklin's other grandson William Temple. Franklin was the sixteen year old son of Ben. Franklin's only son William Franklin the former Royal Governor of New Jersey Edit the time a prisoner of the Patriots in Connecticut Temple as he was known would live with his grandfather and assist with his duties as part of the American delegation to the court of King Louis as Franklin settled in. He added one of his lightning rods to the home. He also quickly established his own wine cellar with more than one thousand bottles. Franklin entertained all the time is fame was enough to draw French elites to his gatherings. Show Mansue F- often served as hostess at many of Franklin's parties. You might think that Chaumont will be nervous with his wife spending so much time with Franklin who has a well earned reputation for womanizing instead. He quickly realized that Franklin was going after his daughter who was in her early twenties at the time the family stepped up efforts to marry her off to a marquee so that she would not be a temptation to Mr. Franklin showman himself continued as a booster of Franklin and the American Revolution as I said he made medallions of Franklin and also hired an artist to paint his portrait chaumont would invest part of his personal fortune in the purchase of military supplies to be shipped to America. He also became an important political advocate for the American cause with the King Schumann supported the ideology of the American revolution but he also hoped to profit from the arms trade and perhaps be rewarded with land in America. Should the revolution succeed? Sadly for Chaumont this would not be the case. He would end up losing a fair amount of his fortune which the Americans never repaid during the French revolution. The would cease his lands and France. Although he managed to survive the reign of terror he would die in relative obscurity in France. Nato three and just so we don't end that point onto sadder note Chaumont son. James Larae did move to America after the revolution married a Jersey girl and settled in upstate. New York anyway. After Franklin's first meeting with version. He realized that he would need to be more patient. And not push the foreign minister too far too fast. Franklin held salons with Francis intellectual elite not for political lobbying but simply to use his celebrity status to develop friendships with important members of the French establishment Franklin went beyond social settings to excite the French public. The former printer and publisher fell into old habits. After purchasing a small printing press he produced pamphlets for distribution to opinion leaders and newspaper editors some were French translations of important documents such as the Declaration of Independence or the Pennsylvania Constitution. He was stoking public opinion. About the idea of liberty he also revived an old habit of writing articles anonymously or under false names to affect public opinion. One article claim to be from the king of Prussia. Britain had agreed to pay for any Hessian mercenaries who were killed in the war. But not for those who were wounded. Franklin's article pretended that the government recommended letting wounded soldiers die rather than setting them. Home as cripples is just one example of many stories that Franklin put out there to turn public opinion against Britain and toward the American. 'cause this strategy however confused the ministry version commented. I really do not know what Franklin has come to do here. At the beginning we thought he had all sorts of projects but all of a sudden he has shut himself up in a sanctuary with the philosophical. Franklin of course was playing the long game he knew that virgin was focused on the political realities of trying to weaken Britain while avoiding direct war but Franklin also knew the power of a publicly popular. 'cause with the nation's elite public support for the cause of America would help the ministry get on board with helping with the cause of liberty and coming to the assistance of the young United States. Public Relations was every bit a part of Franklin strategy along with actual diplomacy Franklin also began an ongoing competition with British ambassador. Lord Stormont the British official in France often had the advantage over Franklin and the American delegation among the many British spies in the American delegation Edward Bancroft was sending weekly reports outlining. Not only what? The Americans were doing but their strategies for future activities as well when it suited his purposes. Stormont would often make these strategies public in an attempt to discredit or prevent them from happening. Some were simply made up stories like Franklin supposed attempt to build some super weapon using electricity. Once when asked about one of store bonds pronouncements Franklin retorted. It is not a truth it is only a store montor which was a play on the French word. Men Tear which meant to Li- The words store Montor soon entered the public lexicon as a turn for something that wasn't true. Franklin followed Silas Deane's lead of passing out commissions to European officers who wanted to serve in America as I've mentioned before it was rather common for officers to serve in the armies of other countries during peacetime it gave them experience and sometimes helped to improve relations between armies of common allies. I mentioned in earlier episodes that Dean had already provided a major general's commission to a teenage captained known as the Marquee Lafayette by the time of Franklin's arrival Lafayette had not yet left for America and had the opportunity to meet with Franklin but Lafayette was only one of many over his first few months in Paris. Franklin like the other commissioners was swamped by men seeking commissions. Franklin had to reject most office seekers for some he would give them a form letter saying that they were free to travel to America at their own expense and make their case there but that he did not know enough to recommend them to Congress for others he might make an offer. One of those people was a down those luck. Baron by the name of Von Steuben he had served in the Prussian army during the seven years. War as a captain he had been at the headquarters of Frederick the great but never came to any providence nor could he rise in rank at the end of the war. He was discharged for known reasons. Some have speculated that it was for homosexual activity though. I've never seen any primary evidence to support this. Whatever the reason he was not able to get a position with any army in Europe as he fell deeper into debt he got word of opportunities to fight in America and went to see Mr Franklin. Whatever he said at the meeting clearly impressed Franklin Prussian Military Strategy and discipline was considered the finest in Europe. Franklin was convinced that von Steuben was the man to whip the continental army into shape. It's not clear if fench toibin puffed up his own resume or whether Franklin did it for him but suddenly in Franklin's letter of recommendation the former captain who worked in the Prussian Army headquarters became a lieutenant general who served as adjutant to Frederick the great Washington in Congress relied on this letter to make fun story been the Continental Army's adjutant general. Besides toibin and a bevy of French officers. Many others from around Europe came looking for commissions CASIMIR. Pulaski was a Polish noble and Cavalryman. In seventeen seventy two. He participated in the attempted kidnapping of the Polish King. Who was planning to sell out. The Polish Confederation to Russia after the confederation collapsed and Poland was partitioned among the European powers. Polaski found himself on the run. Dodging charges of attempted regicide. Something the kings of most countries took rather seriously finding his way to Franklin Polaski also received a letter of recommendation and boarded a ship for America for the next nine or ten months. Franklin made effort to push the French government into doing much more than they already were he and the other commissioners spent most of their time winning over the French people seeing just how much they could get away with in shipping covert military Adams to America and waiting for events to unfold in such a way as to make a true alliance between France at America possible next week. I want to take a look at a naval commander. Who was the first to bring the war to Britain's shores is name was Lambert wickes? Hi thanks for joining the American Revolution. Podcast after show a special. Thanks today to train. Ans- as a Robert Moore circle supporter on Patriot. On trae is a big fan of the show and a stepped up to help support it so that. I can continue to cover my costs of producing this show each week. I really appreciate his support and everyone who kicks in a monthly contribution on patron dot COM for as little as two dollars a month. You can help to support this podcast and every little bit really does help this week. Benjamin Franklin finally made it to Paris where his diplomatic skill would eventually helped seal the French. American alliance is use of celebrity wit humor personality and even a little disinformation all contributed to his success in winning over the French government and people. His story is better known than those of the other commissioners in France because he was such a larger than life character. Both at the time to the people of France as well as today. A much of Franklin's early work in France is less well documented than his later years because one of his greatest chroniclers was John Adams who would arrive in France in early. Seventeen seventy eight and work with Franklin in building the French alliance although we will see in future episodes that Franklin and Adams did not get along particularly well either. Franklin's work in France is critical to the outcome of the war and is sometimes overlooked by historians. Who Don't pay attention to the European nations while covering the Revolutionary War itself in America. Franklin of course is fascinating on many levels for his inventions. Scientific experiments is years of developing a host of institutions in Philadelphia and elsewhere and his role in so many other events in the founding of this country. If you're looking for a good overall biography of Benjamin Franklin Walter Isaacson Fairly recent. Biography does a pretty decent job but that is not my recommendation. This week I'm recommending a great improvisation Franklin France and the birth of America by Stacy Schiff of the reason. I like this book. Is that it focuses. Just on Franklin's years in France not his whole life it digs into court life and European politics in a way that many other Franklin biographies do not. There are a few other books that also focus on. Franklin's time just in France and I mentioned a number of these in my blog post notes for this week's episode but most of those books are decades old the author of a great improvisation. Ms Schiff has won multiple awards for her many books. However I'll admit that some have criticized her writing style as ponderous rambling and difficult. Her style is a little less than straightforward and. She seems to like telling the story in her own way rather than a simple recitation of the facts. But I still think it's an interesting read and worthwhile if you can keep from getting frustrated at the complexity of her writing style. The main content of the book is about four hundred pages with another hunter pages of notes Appendix and index and it was first published in two thousand five. It's also available as an audio book if you prefer to listen so if you WANNA dig into Franklin's years in Paris checkout a great improvisation also today I wanNA revisit an issue from last week some listeners. Were concerned that I did not even mention Sybil leading ten. When talking about the Danbury raid letting ten was a teenage girl during the raid her father Colonel Henry leading ten was a New York militia officer whose regiment responded to the British raid on Danbury Sybil letting ten is credited with a forty mile night ride to rouse the militia in New York and Connecticut. She wrote all the way to Danbury to warn the residents there that the British were on the way. There are even a bunch of memes on the Internet comparing her to Paul Revere because she wrote twice as far and did not get caught. Now I don't think. The revere comparisons are particularly fair since revere did far more for the cause than one night's ride I also think lettings role is sometimes over hyped in the desperate search for more female heroes of the revolutionary war letting in however did play a key role in alerting the region to the raid and she probably deserved at least a mention in getting till the battle details. In last week's episode I do regret her omission. However if you want to hear more about civil leading ten the history chicks podcast did a mini episode just on her ride so my online recommendation. This week is the history chicks podcast episode on civil letting ten. If you go to the history chicks dot com and search for letting ten you can find the episode. It's a short one only a few minutes long or you can use my direct link on my website at Amriyev. Podcast DOT com well. That's all for this week. I hope you will join me again next week. For another American Revolution podcast.

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I've tried redwoods or like none of that has been able to work for me. So i feel like constantly trying to find what's best for me and i would say like right now or matt is on the holy woman so a leaving god and i felt like before i would start my day. Rarely pray all day. Where i'm at now after like i like a half an hour in the way we off before i go to bed i just have a conversation with myself flex on whatever it is. That's like on my mind. Like i don't like to whoever point fingers. Like whether it's relational stop careers album. Always like i try to just check myself and not in a harsh leg. Do you know how we could be. Let south But i kind of just check in and you know just like reflect on what i'm doing and what's not changing what i could do to change it. Just do it with such delegate nece. Because if not i could i could start my day off bat. Who could thousand. It could be rough to just sells encourage myself and like just mentally plan for what i want and half like inside. 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You interrupt people. Some people bring their baggage to work or whatever it is so i feel like sometimes it may be hard to find a little pocket where you know. Sometimes he was just ruin your day and not on purpose. Maybe not really do about it. It's how you feel like you can snap back in the days being ruined but it's nothing everything's going wrong but it was nothing to do with you and get that because i talk with depression and as within that you know in my younger days to point where you know when i was younger i tried to commit suicide several times so i know what it is to get an dark spots and feel like you know. You can't get out. So i had to start looking ways and then also I'm an impact. So i hate big crowds of people who do attract their energies. So i have to get to lose. Fox is like if. I can't do anything about it. It's not my problem. And i had to learn great. Don't just about anything you can't do. Nothing about is easier said than done but you have to. You have to you have to practice it on a daily basis to get to that point to where you can start blocking it out those real hard with a influence The most important thing. Like i don't focus on how i look all people how they look and working out the most important things like how you feel inside is how you feel inside gets going gonna show realm. You know so. it's like to me. I kind of ood massive off his twenty percent in eight percent hyphen aside. Because there's no flipped on the light. That's what the eighty eighty right lianne. Is there anything that you that's fine. Works better for you. When you're in like especially with you being on set and then you know you have so many different energies that are circulating and sometimes people do come to work with bad days. So is there something that you do like. When you start to fill somebody else's energy embarking upon us that you do you know what it yeah. I guess there's like two ways to look at it like you know. Some people are intolerable to be around. That goes some people are dislike negative or narcissistic. So people like that. I would just try to stay away from separate But when it comes to people just like maybe not have On his ap is your like the same vibe. As i really try to only use. I guess being impact i i try to always be like forgiving to people like Look at people like all they're going through rights. I will say like one. Like there's a script panic i always always go. I group by wins a church and stuff and it's forgive them for they know not what they do and i say like you believe sometime like sometimes like the way you're raised and you just you don't know better people just have like a betrayed and i just i really just always shot a like three people. The way i want to be treated a lot of times. you are like not being the nicest. I'm like i try to like love on the number being able but more light as a break. It in I guess talking about spirituality. Like i'm really big on just being into kind of foulness spirit and accu like somebody at number eight. But i feel like somebody needs to hear something needs to be encouraged. Seems to be like love da. I'll just be like no you good. I'll check on to the side and not like big production. But i think before the people person i think genuinely like hear about people so i really just. I think i'm good with like putting backs what forward and just love and light at the people who are be more too much. I dislike galp. Everybody separate myself. But if i could if i could be i can make some of the somebody at white with that being said because i think i'm i'm the same way i'm very much into making sure that everybody else feels good but at the same time the comes to me and you know maybe i'm slop. Maybe i'm feeling down usually the person that's always there for someone else. Us doesn't have anyone to go to when they're down so you find that a lot of times when you're in your reach out to anyone that you have that special 'cause i like a lot of time see i have plenty of people that reach out to me but when his me i go myself i don't reach out to anyone else. Somebody say that. Because i guess like i never thought about the or that. There's somebody else like that adam really. He'll like like. There's somebody i can really call on one friend that that i've probably found like at this point in my life and like in my whole life Always one that everybody comes to have any way to call on. 'cause i just don't feel like anybody can coach me through Nike inc myself. I really because that's uh specific person. I can go to like salad. Sudoku take some quiet obviously like spray about stuff and Really yeah i guess like you said i gotta just turn on my own coaching. Sally deal with that we. The one is coaching everyone. Who do you go to win. It's time for you to get some smithfield wellness or egypt. Have their self chat with yourself that mantra that you repeat to yourself with me. I'm real picky about who talked to on that. You know we live in a different time now. So i can't trust Information sure what i do. I myself thought guy i you know. I'm bear spirit to soul Meditate tips myself for finding now if it was a person I will go to dance with my because she go on. Always keep it real real down. He finishes And that's what you need. If you like your friends your in a always your yes you might not want to be around munich to sit on my own. Might not be because they keep saying yes everyday even round you to help you unwind to certain things that you can't y you know i get i'm loud from google. I'm definitely that personality comes to for life because they there's no sugar coating with me and a lot to be mean or rude. I'm just giving it to you in real world as breath or going tell you the same thing you might look it. Does me coming from a place of love. And i genuinely care about sound sometime. That's why it's easier to talk trying to reclaim your necessarily care about opinion. But then when someone you care about says you the truth that you didn't necessarily wanna hear it hits a little harder you know. I'll even say for myself like i felt like i was always taught to like to pray about things. Be a change. I would in whatever it was. I was praying about like every word. So i think that was or the transition happened for me to like self Self reflect on stuff Make changes like say like our response to action Just like in a rare talk because we could wait on something jane so i think that was the big thing for mike yesterday but like screen. Do make it happen. Yeah alvis the mantra. Pray until something happens and go about you. We're talking about so you said you said you don't you don't believe you don't believe in prances. I'm happy. I don't believe in praying. 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Exactly what about you. I'm artists encourage people to do do contain to be active night. Stay at stay move. You know joy live. You can enjoy life with your level. A lot of people get nokia. Kinda down look at social media indicated everything else. People going out of town people going to bates in anaheim. They'll they don't have the money to do that. So accurately when bush is player. I do things all the time that requires imported on december. In you just gotta get out and enjoy your seven state state actor. Also i say Meditate workout workout is a big thing. I say that. Because i'm fitness. You know influence but it reduce chris. A ahead you your. It's kind of like a. Yeah release you know casting so land tell people what can find. You can follow you. Follow his journey. That's already started continuing commotion time. You're not going to not on instagram. But i just had it. All tied nama impaired. Many model l. i. a. n. a. m. a. d. f. It'd be nice. You can follow me. 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The AD Trade 72 Hours Later, Parsing the Pelicans Options, How Chris Paul will be Remembered

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The AD Trade 72 Hours Later, Parsing the Pelicans Options, How Chris Paul will be Remembered

"Hello. And welcome back to another episode of open floor. I'm Andrew sharp and on the other line from the Washington Post fan Gallagher. What's up man? Not too much Andrew. I'll be honest. The prospect of an Anthony Davis blockbuster. Trade podcast has sort of been looming over me for a few years now, kind of like a trip to the DMV like, you know, it's coming, you don't really want to have to deal with it. You have to go through the motions of showing them all your paperwork and taking the eye tests, and the computer test, and hopefully you don't feel that thing. And I guess, for me the concern in the back of my mind. It was like, oh, boy, how much are we going to have to slurp the Celtics? If they've actually finally pull this thing off after years of hype, but good news and you, we got here, we're at the DMV, there's no line were racing through the printed up the new license in the back and we're in great shape. We can all just move forward. Anthony Davis is not going to the Boston Celtics. He's not going to any of these other weird teams that were out there. He's headed to the Los Angeles Lakers. Yeah. It's a tragic defeat for Danny age in my boss and Celtics. And the Eastern Conference is a whole, I would say, but, but here we are, you know, we're ninety six hours late with our AD emergency pod, Ben traded again yet has he. Not yet, but yeah, there's a lot to get through man. Feels like the whole league has turned on its head over the last four or five days. I mean this thing to me though, is like last week, I was so sure that the Lakers were kind of being hoisted up there as a bargaining chip comes these league offers. Right. And it's who are they trying to really negotiate? Right. It was the Knicks the Celtics who are they trying to extort more assets from. And I mean correct me if I'm wrong did David Griffin just used the Lakers to extort more assets from the Lakers. Like did he leak? The idea of okay? We've got these three guys in this traffic, and then he's just expecting rob Pelinka to see that report at public and go, oh my God. He forgets it it's his own offer. I've got a beat that offer. Now he's throwing in another first round pick and another, I Trump pick and multiple pick swabs. And then at some point David Griffin is like all right. I'm just going to let pulling up a hook here and we'll call a good. Yeah. That's really what it seems like you look around at the league as the dust has settled and you're like, wait a second. So what other offers were there? What alternatives did? David Griffin have all of which makes the pelicans side of the deal that much crazier and impressive. But let's start on the Lakers side, because I mean, this is kind of a monumental move for them and Jake asks, after all the criticism is the Lakers front office, fully redeemed, considering that they have landed LeBron James and Anthony Davis in the past twelve months. And then additionally he asks should the Lakers land third star or fill out the team with role players using that extra cap space, so Ben given the way you intro there. I have a sense where you're going with this. But what, what's your impression of the Lakers after the last couple days? I think from a short-term standpoint, it's absolutely a win for rob Pelinka. And he was a guy who really really needed a win. We don't have to go back through all the drama. But magic resides. He gets accused of backstabbing those expose from ESPN dot com. Kind of questioning the Lakers internal culture. I mean. The pressure was mounting a big time way. And I think what rob Pelinka did with this trade. He changed that first sentence when everybody refers to write. He's now no longer Kobe's guy. He's the guy that made the Anthony Davis trade and that needed to happen because he was a front office executive without an identity. What did people say about? Well, you know, he's cutthroat Koby and a lot of people hate them. Right. Like that was sort of his reputation. Now, I think is reputation legitimately is a guy who was willing to absorb a ton of risk that could definitely backfire on him to swing for the fences and land. You know, a top five level talent Anthony Davis in the middle of his prime and potentially set him up as a centerpiece for the Los Angeles Lakers going forward. You know, there's so that's clearly a huge reward for rob to take on all that risk. But I do think as we're looking at the dust settling here. There's a lot of ways that this could go wrong for the Lakers. Right. I mean LeBron age wise, health concerns. Anthony davis. In and out of the lineup in past years due to health concerns. The question surrounding those guys, they have huge hole in the back court. Now, they don't have a lot of young talent outside of Kyle Kuzma anymore. They're going to have tons of roster holes including at the center position. I think they're going to want to have a traditional center to at least take some of the burden off of Anthony Davis that could be an expensive problem to, you know, address, and, you know from a salary cap standpoint, they do have to make a choice as Email saying, do you want that third star? Or do you want some of these role players in and maybe more modest salaries to kind of fill around those guys? So to me it. Absolutely can't oppose the Lakers back to center stage. It makes them the Lakers again there it's time to love and hate the Lakers. Like know has been for the last six years. But are they really going to be into get into that contender conversation? I'm not so sure on that. And when you look forward the risks are monumental all those draft picks. A lot of them unprotected the pick swaps could easily come back to bite him after LeBron retires. And, you know, let's, let's face it, Anthony Davis like he could change his mind again in terms of where he wants to play. And if you if he were to leave at some point in the next three or four years those picks, and pick swops could get really damaging. So I guess my takeaway is, it's great from short-term standpoint, for the Lakers, it's gonna make them. So fun to watch and to cover next year in Los Angeles. But I'm just glad I'm not a rob shoes, because I don't think I would have had the stomach to take on all the risks that he took on well. And there was also probably room to drive a harder bargain than they drove. And that speaks to a how good Anthony Davis is and be how desperate, the Lakers were to make this deal actually happen. And how dark the alternatives were if they didn't make this deal happen. And that's why I think they didn't actually have as much leverage, as it seems. And why they probably didn't drive a harder bargain, but on the outside like yeah. Lot of people are going to be able to say, look like they gave up the farm for this, dude. And nobody is sure why I don't think that they're going to be fully redeemed. What underlined that point though? Real quick. The only person who assumed any risk. Here is Pelinka. Right. Griffin had trade. Anthony davis. Everybody knew that it was just a matter of when not if LeBron, Anthony Davis really didn't assume any risks. They wanted to play together. And if it doesn't work, they can balance free agents in the not too distant future. Right. The only who stuck his neck out in any way, as political, and as you're pointing out, he stuck you're way out there, and he may be didn't need to go, you know, quite as far as he did in terms of the actual pieces. He put into that deal. Well, and what I wonder about though, and I liked the trade on Saturday night when it first happened. I mean I didn't like that. It happened on Saturday night, enjoying my first day off from the NBA in, like three weeks and was walking through Georgetown, with my wife and the news came through. And I like nearly had a breakdown, and it was like oh shit. It's time to start writing about the NBA get. So the timing on this trade could have been a little bit better. I think I might be able to you on that. I was three quarters of the way up amount in Big Sur. I turned a quarter. Finally caught a faint cell signal. Oh time to run down the hill and go find some wifi. So I was wondering about that. Did you did you have to abandon your Big Sur trip and just go hole up in a hotel for the night? Now. I fought a lodge, I was able to, to bang out a call within the couple hours. It didn't really throw me off that much the rest of the trip came together just fine. But no, I can completely up with that, that moment of panic and the like, are you kidding me feeling and it's like you're probably tried to do the rationalization thing of, like, wait till tomorrow? And then you're like no. The F straight. It kid. Wait till tomorrow, you better start typing in place, wherever you are. Maybe write it up on your cell phone, or, or ding Siri or something. Right. Well, see, that's what I saw. I saw that you filed and I was like, wait a second. Like, Ben has been Instagram from like the edge of cliffs like did he file this on his cell phone from the middle of nowhere? But I probably shouldn't have revealed the details it would have sounded a lot cooler. I would have been much more. Like superpower, ask if I had it revealed my secrets. No. Thankfully, there was a lodge that had like semi stable wifi. All I really needed to do with said that Email of text. Right. So it wasn't the end of the world. Yeah. Well, I'm glad that we both got it done. And, and to go back to where I was like Saturday night. I really liked the deal in large part because I thought it was creating enough cap space to sign a third superstar, and that may still be true to me. It's frankly, pretty. Insane that we don't know exactly when this deal is going to be executed, but I liked the deal on Saturday night. Because like yes, it's a lot to give up. But if you're giving all of that up to create a genuine title contender for the next two or three years, then like go do it, whatever it costs it will be worth it. You're gonna have some title shots at the tail end of LeBron's career in the middle of Anthony Davis prime plus a third superstar like that makes sense to me. I don't really care as much about the cost in the two thousand twenty s some other people do having said that in the last couple of days, there's now been doubt cast on when this deal is going to get done, and whether the Lakers, are actually going to have max cap space to go get that third star. And to me, the deal, I don't wanna get too hot take because like either way, they're bringing Anthony Davis to LA, and they're going to matter again, in a way, they haven't for the last six or seven years. So it's a win. Regardless, but the deal is a much more complicated story, if they're only going to have twenty million dollars of cap space to build the rest of this team. And like additionally, I think it's borderline incomprehensible that the Lakers could overpay as much as they did, and not have the right to delay the deal until July thirtieth. So that's a real failure on Pelinka's part, if that's the way this plays out. Yeah. I made if he gets tripped up some salary cap loophole, he didn't see coming, and he thought it was going to be all lined up. So he could be making a max offer as soon as free agency opens, and then it kind of came out of the fact that, oh, no whoop. Sorry. You screw something up your down for a million dollars. I mean, that would honestly be like the most Lakers e-trade of all time, right? Like go all in for a superstar while also shooting yourself in the foot. Yeah. I mean like I wrote on Saturday night, I was like okay, well, it looks like this is the end of Lakers jokes for the foreseeable future. And yet, here we are with the most Lakers. Time-line possible like a clerical error on Pelinka's part and David Griffin went through this exact same process with Andrew Wiggins in two thousand fourteen so you know he understands exactly what's in play. And how much the timing matters. So I don't know. I like the, the reporting around the timing of all this has been pretty sketchy. And so maybe maybe they do have some sort of handshake agreement that, like, if the Lakers go sign a star they delay the deal to July, thirtieth, in the Lakers that in a second round pick or something like that. But here's the crazy wild card to me, it's weird. But look, I mean, by the time we get to media day and LeBron has his hands on Anthony Davis shoulders, and those post photographs I mean, this is all going to be a distant memory, right? Like I think the, the prospect of those two guys on the court together. It's very exciting so that I've talked about, for basically, since I think last December, where LeBron AD as a pick and roll. Pairing LeBron as a guy who can drive and kick and Davis can space. Lebron is a guy who can get downhill throw lobster. Davis Davis is a guy who can step up when bronze off the court and be the number one option run everything through him. Authentically Davis has a guy who can cover LeBron's back defensively, which needs to happen on a night tonight basis, and as a guy who can cover more ground, and do all the things that LeBron just doesn't do any more at this stage of his career defensively, it's like a perfect security blanket on that end to, I mean, there's so many reasons to like their basketball. Pairing off the court kind of works. Renton Davis to write. He clearly needs a mentor. He clearly needs someone to put them onto a bigger platform to get him ready for sort of the gigantic super duper star of that has really alluded him in New Orleans, and I think LeBron has been a very willing and active mentor, obviously, playing and all the possible gray areas with the help of Rich Paul. And so, I think. You know, long story short, even if they don't get the third star. I think it's something that you should stick with your initial impulse of the excitement factor for these guys because that's going to be, you know what we're looking at here for the next twenty four months. It's going to be a very exciting show to me the biggest story in the league now that the warriors are dealing with all their injuries for next season. I kind of think that they're going to be center stage. It's going to be an awesome opportunity for Anthony Davis to really introduce himself to the world and show, everybody, especially casual fans what he can do. And he has an ideal guy to play setup form and somebody in LeBron who's completely invested in Davis success. Because maximizing, Anthony Davis is the only way LeBron gets to another title. And I think from that standpoint, look, the check is coming do. Right. They are going to be up a creek, five years from now. There's no doubt about it. But it doesn't surprise me at all the Lakers would be willing to take on that level of future danger to pull themselves out of this. That they've been in for the last six years. Yeah, well to that point. I wanna read this question from regicide, who says Anthony Davis is a generational talent. But he just doesn't have quote unquote it. I'm talking that it that Paul Pierce described, the raptors lacking a few years ago. How does a generational talent suite my blazers, and then not even make the playoffs next year? How does someone who has quote unquote it slack? The recorder of season with no injury. And I read that question Ben, because I read it Tuesday morning. And my face scrunched up as if I just smelled like an awful fart on an airplane. Like I don't understand how people really are out here, questioning Anthony Davis. He is so good. And so valuable on a good team and he's been stuck in New Orleans playing with a bunch of spare parts for the last seven or eight years. It's psychotic to me to think that like the Lakers, somehow buying fool's gold this week. And so I think to echo, what you just said like the reason it's a win because Anthony Davis is amazing. And I'm happy for him that he's going to be on a bigger platform in a better situation with a chance to really go show the whole league, how great he can be and I'm not going to side with regicide on this one, but I think I'm still of the opinion that Anthony Davis still has a decent amount to prove. In terms of his pure talent in, in terms of like the wide variety of things that he could do in a basketball game that so few other people could do. I mean, regardless of position, regardless of size, just the things that he could do. I mean it's dropping. And it has been now for six or seven years. We pretty much know who he is. Right. But what regicide is saying, look, Anthony Davis, hasn't it really gotten it done? I'm just going to keep going. That Anthony Davis. Has it made a huge Mark in the postseason? That's true. And Davis hasn't consistently carried a team to winning records year after year after year. That's true. Now there's obvious defenses for that. The pelicans have been one of the shakiest franchises in the over the last five six seven years, he's had some health issues that he does seem like he's worked through most of them he hasn't had a lot of help around him. And some of those questions, by the way are still going to be existing the Lakers are still pretty shaky freight Vogel's their coach. Did you remember that? Like some people probably have already forgotten that, that happened. Right. And I think the rest of their roster and rotation is not really going to be that impressive by the end of the summer, right? Like even if they get a third star, I mean, it's going to be one of those situations where they're very, very top, heavy and relying upon those stars to basically enjoy perfect health. They're going to have a smooth and good season. So I guess my point is I'm with you on a lot of the optimism and the opportunity for Anthony Davis to really break through in a way that he just has never even come close to. But right, he's still has questions. He still has some things. He's got a check off his his checklist. He does has some things to prove I'm with you there. And I think if you're going to criticize Anthony Davis and say that big man like AD can't be the initiator on a contenders offense in the play offs. Like I understand that as well. I just don't understand the people a number of people kind of taking a step further and start truth. Ring his his overall impact, and whether like he's just a. Good stats bad team guy. And, and I just think like people need to look at the context in New Orleans over the last five or six years. And it's really easy to be like, oh, well, if he's that great like, why didn't he make the playoffs like bottom line is Anthony Davis had been in the east for the last seven or eight years. He would be a much bigger deal would have carried teams to the second and probably the Eastern Conference finals a couple years. Like he's that good is my is my only point. I'm with you on that. I think the position that you mentioned is absolutely a big deal for him at the same time, though. Like it's similar to the choir situation last year. Anthony Davis has created some of these questions with his behavior, he quit on the pellets that happened. Right. So he can he can make up for that. We saw coli gave them the blueprint. All you gotta do is titled everybody's going to be a fan of people might actually go buy new balance, right? Like all sorts of crazy. Things are happening here in the last twelve months. So there's a blueprint for Anthony Davis to kind of answer those question when people back but the same time. I don't blame people even regicide out here for saying, hey, wait a minute. And the it's like who are you, right? Like, why are you so important that you could just give up on your team in the middle of season? Go make a huge stink at all star weekend and all the other things that he's done go on the shop and rather than just playing basketball. And so I understand where he's coming from. But I think your point is this guy is prime to answer those questions because he's going to be in a much better situation. I think that's a very strong point. Yeah. And it's far as what you said like Anthony Davis on the shop talking about being the CEO of his own business in his own brand. Like if he was the CEO like he had a rough year. And so I think he got the post, there was a coup. Hey, by the way, though, I mean, I think the real takeaway from this. Shop episode was this, a masterful recruiting job, I liberal, James or what? Yeah. I mean, and that's part of the legend of LeBron is his ability to kind of conjure these super teams out of thin air and operate in the margins, and I think it's, it's how we'll remember him whenever his career is done. And this was his greatest testable also probably his shadiest move of all. And so I enjoy as kind of a coda to the last ten years with LeBron edgy. You ain't seen nothing yet. Just wait till it's brawny LeBron Anthony Davis in Space Jam too. I mean, that's going to be the moment where everyone's gonna look around and say, wait a minute. What just happened here word that? Hey, real quick, though, on the Rich Paul angle, the LeBron angle of it. You know, I mentioned earlier who's absorbing risk I forgot to mention rich. Paul absorbed. No risk, right? I mean Anthony Davis has flexible future. He could leave as early as next summer if he wanted to. But he's got him in the market, where he wants him into expand that portfolio as much as he possibly can, and then with LeBron. I mean he took care of the guy who's kind of basically put them in a situation where he can have his career. So to be like, again when you're looking around who absorbed risk? All the key parties are going to come out of this thing, Scot free. Even if it goes bad, except for rob Pelinka, and I think that's a masterful job by agent. Right. You've gotta pick out executives. You got to identify guys who are going to take care of your clients, and who are going to do whatever is possible to sort of cater to your guys. When you have those superstar level players, I think, in Cleveland, I mean, that was sort of almost an adversarial situation at certain points because LeBron one and so many things of demanded so many things from that front office. And I think what they've got developing here in L A. It's more of a partnership, right? Like can't you see rich egging on? Don't worry about the. The pick swabs. Come on. Rob who cares who cares about that? That's, that's deep into the future. You can almost see that kind of thing playing out, right? Yeah. Well, and by the way, the one thing on the pick swamps is Anthony Davis does stay in LA, which if you're the Lakers, you have to be assuming you're trading for not just the next three years of Anthony Davis. But the next seven years of Anthony Davis the picks in the two thousand twenty s may not hurt nearly as much as some people imagine. I think a lot of people are looking at this as if it's going to like the wheels are gonna come off after three years. But like if anti Davis is still healthy for five, six years from now, like they're going to be in really good shape in my opinion. And so that's why again like it's a risk. I understand there's a ton of downside on the, on the back end of this deal Belykh, pull the trigger. If you're the Lakers, because the alternatives were talking yourself into Bradley Beal Mike guy as an all NBA side, kick, and then going to sign like. Kemba walker. Like it just wasn't great your your ceiling was going to be much lower. So I understand why they pulled the trigger. You're Rich Paul point is a really good one. And we got a question for me. Shania saying if Rich Paul didn't rep d do you guys think this deal gets done? No, I don't can I throw one side question to you on this, how many other gbs in the league if they were GM of the Lakers, if they were sitting in rob Pelinka shoes would have made this specific trade. I bet there's a few others. But when you're looking at that total hall, the fear of becoming the next Billy king, which I think looms over a lot of these deals, the lack of actions on these picks which I think a lot of experience executives never would have gotten into I think, not only as Rich Paul absolutely unnecessary player in this trade. But I think having an unseasoned executive facing tons, and tons of pressure with rob Pelinka having no track record of having a previous deal blow up. In his face. I think that's a necessary. Component to like, let's say Danny aines if Danny was GM, the Lakers facing the same situation would he have parted with that many picks and swaps and the young players? I'm not sure he would have. And actually I'll go stronger than that. I don't think he would there's no way there's no way he would have, and frankly, part of the legend of the nets trade over the last few years has been the prevailing assumption that we would never see another deal like that. And so now here we have part two with the Lakers. And granted AD is eleven years younger than Kevin Garnett was in that deal, which I think makes a huge difference as we evaluate all of it. I don't have a problem with the risk. I think if you have a problem with it, you say, like just call New Orleans bluff called David Griffin is bluff. And see if you can kind of whittle it down because they're going to need some of those pics to trade, and build out the rest of the roster over the next few years. And that's. Where I think it will hurt them more than anything giving up that many assets that could have been used in other trades is where the cost could start to hurt them a little bit more. But on the Rich Paul side. The point I would add, everything you said, is that they like Rich Paul, sabotaging the Lakers locker room halfway through last year? It depending on how much credit you wanna give him for that wound up working out great for the Lakers because as the season fell apart, they became a landed in the lottery. They landed that top five pick. And I think this deal may not have gotten done without that number four pick for the pelicans. I think that's alternate -ly. What kind of tip the scales, and made this, the whole package a lot more attractive to New Orleans. Yeah. So let's look at it from the New Orleans side because I think if you're them you can pretty much go in any direction. I think it's pretty much one of the most exciting opportunities. We've seen a guy to watch GM or an executive kind of paint his canvas his vision of how you build around a centerpiece Zahn Williamson because in this week alone. Griffin could either take Darius garland and have any Li shooting point guard to go Zion. He can get another wing, whether it's Culver or whoever else. Would you plug in sort of that, you know, maybe a little bit lower ceiling, but a long term pro who kind of compliments is kind of a tertiary option around, or he could potentially flip that pig into other players or additional draft picks? And then on top of that, he's going to have these same types of options all the way through ions rookie deal, like almost every single year like I kept going back to this idea of like the best young core. Everybody looks at was I, Katie Russ and hard and right. But eventually that team ran into a wall whereas like, well how else can we get other talent? Right. And they even nailed the Abach Opik. So they had. That as part of their core to. But then at some point, it was like, okay well how do we move guys around the edges to support the core? And if the core doesn't fit quite right, if there's personality concerns or offense, a Fiqh concerns or whatever else you're kind of stuck with those I feel like New Orleans almost has a better situation than the thunder or the Sonics when they drafted Kevin Durant, because they have more bites at the apple and they have a situation where they've got some young guys, the Ardy know what they're about whether it's Lonzo and Brandon Ingram and they've got flexibility to go and basically every direction that they want to go, so it's not even like the tank to go get that Westbrook pick like Oklahoma City, did they can try to be competitive right now and still count on this influx of assets going forward for the next five years. I think it's a brilliant place to be in. And okay for pelican's fans, who have had a really tough two years, I would just be over the moon if I were them, so. So I agree that if I were pelicans fan, I would be over the moon at how badly it seems we just flees the Lakers. I think that alone if you had to trade AD to LA, this was the best possible time line, and even particularly with, with the chance, still to screw them out of max cap space by doing the deal on July six like it's a win for pelican's fans who have been talking shit about the Lakers for the last twelve months. But can I play devil's advocate on the outlook that you just sort of outlined, their please? So I worry that they Ingram and Lonzo Jrue holiday are just good enough to take the pelicans out of contention for, like the best players in future drafts. And they're looking at kind of a range of like thirty five to forty five wins with the core. They have now and I understand that there. Gonna have assets coming in. They'll have more bites at the apple. But I don't know how good those bites are actually going to be. And I think people have been a little bit rosier on that side of things then is probably reasonable. I mean, the Lakers now know that they're not gonna have their draft picks over the next five or six years. And I think that they're going to still be a free agency draw as long as is healthy and moving around. And so, like, I understand that there, there's value on the back end of this deal. But I worry that the pelicans are going to be a little bit, too good to surround Zion with elite young talent. And then the Lakers picks aren't going to be quite as valuable as they seem now. And most of all, don't really understand. Why New Orleans is supposedly in a hurry to trade number four, if I had number four, I would sit there and take Darius garland. I think Darius garland has got to be really good. And he's the type of young guy. That you wanna keep around and pair with Zion, five years from now and granted like if you could flip number four and Ingram for Bradley Beal, you can probably win more over the next few years. But are you really going to have a title nucleus when Zion is in his prime? That's my question. Well, I hate it when we agree, but I'm pretty much with you on taking garland. So here's how I would approach a first of all the roadmap that you laid out makes it clear, this number four, pick is super duper important, because you don't know where the future Laker picks are going to be. And you do know you've got a number four pick in a draft where okay everyone wants to say it's three players, but there's still some very interesting players available to you at number four, I think the reason why you're hearing so much trade discussion is because David Griffin is on a roll right now. And he's like, oh, keep this going. Let's see what else we can get out there. Who else can we like, you know, pick off crazy trade? Assets from just for this number four pick. I think that a lot of people immediately after the trade, rush this idea that they should pick a wing because they got module coming back because they've got ju- holiday, because those two guys are both potentially all defensive level guards and they should be able to play together. Because Lonzo doesn't really dominate the ball. He's a little bit longer. He can guard twos and holiday can do the same. So you could switch those guys very interchangeably and you just kind of pencil that as your backward here for the next couple of years. I'm not totally sold on that, first of all I still really like Lonzo but to me because he's not a pure point guard because he's not that pure lead playmaker because he's not a shooter. I don't think you can identify him as a high level part of your core. Going forward. You can't just write that into stone, right? Exactly. Yeah. Like you don't make decisions based on the assumption that Lonzo is going to be there for the next seven years. Maybe he's good. Maybe he's good as a bonus in the deal. But, like he's not a tentpole, right? And so. The most important thing to unlock Zay on in the half court offensively it's spacing obviously and vertical spacing which player in this draft offers that more than any other right now. Darius garland, right? I mean he's a guy who's going to be pulling up Damian Lillard style from five feet beyond the three point line, and cashing three pointers. Now he has other questions about his game. There's no there's no doubt about that. And I think some people are kind of comparing and Heo, he's like a poor man. Steph career poor man's Damian Lillard, right? Well, if you're the pelicans and you and you've just watched your coach of gentry has just coached the Steph curry, Draymond green partnership, you know, in the warriors as an assistant, right? And you're thinking, what's the best way to make sure that Zion becomes like the super sized version of j with even more scoring ability and physicality with the ball in his hands and everything else, that's a pretty easy model follow. And even if you know garland winds up being like sixty percent of Steph curry, that's fine. We'll be they'll be very helpful for Zaylon Williamson. So to me the idea that. Okay. You can maybe bring garland along a little bit more slowly than most young point guards 'cause you have Lonzo and holiday in place. And then at some point he would be able to just take over control that team, you know, be giving the keys and grow with Zion that would be very, very appealing to me. If I was in New Orleans, pelicans, now, the only the only hiccup that I see it's the personalities because we know garland is rep by clutch ports, Rich Paul. So as everybody good like did the Anthony Davis thing. Leave any hard feelings from ownership. Obviously Griffin is incredibly pragmatic, you could see that, you know how he came out in this deal. I'm sure he and Rich Paul continue to enjoy a good relationship dating back to the days, but that would be the one hang up that I would see there. It's like okay, are you going to be worried about his buy into your organization coming in as a rookie? And I think you know, if Rich Paul is good of an agent as he seems he would be able to address those concerns. And he would want the best for his client, which would be part of being part of a young core. Four with another superstar that can really grow together and do something special. Yeah. And first of all, it's Larry how much we agree on this point because. Yeah, I'm completely with you. And if you're Rich Paul, like it makes sense. I really do think that the pelicans are going to have a chance to be the thunder for a new generation, and Zion is going to show up there and this team is going to become everybody's second favorite team, and the next five or six years are going to be a lot of fun. But they do need that elite talent alongside him. And I think garland is is a is a is worth a shot. Let's say and so it just it reminds me of like when the T wolves a couple years ago were picking fifth and they had Tom tiptoe in charge, and they said, all right. Well, we have already got our, our young guys who are going to be superstars in cat, and towns, and I believe they had Levin at that point as well. Let's go pick Chris done instead of taking Jamal Murray because we. We want somebody who can help us win now and it's like that's not the move to make because you're still four or five years away, regardless. And granted, I don't think Griffin is gonna turn around and pick. Anyone crystal? Zag right. He's plug them in three D. He's ready to rock. I'm already ready for Phoenix to screw up and take. I've already penciled. Well, we'll see what happens where de'andre hunter leads. I just want the pelicans to Aim High because we saw them do this. Same thing with Anthony Davis where they kind of recognized how great AD was, and then tried to sort of accelerated the timetable, and I don't know if you need to do that, with Cihan can, I ask you, if the pre Jeff process like the videos that go around and terms of guys workouts, and stuff does garland have the most impressive videos? I mean, there's not a lot of content going around right now they probably got him in bubble wrap before draft. I you know, it's like, don't even let him elucidate gymnasium. I feel like garland shooting workouts, though. It's like oh oh yeah, it's, it's pretty impressive. And it's funny because I follow this stuff closer than you do. And for about two years. I've been bugging scouting people and draft experts like Jeremy woo. Does the draft at Sports Illustrated, and like a year and a half ago, I hit him up about garland saying, look. Like this guy has it. He is going to matter. He is going to be at the top of this class. And that point he was really kind of in the middle. I think he was ranked fifteenth at the end of his high school career, but he just he is such a pure shooter, and so smooth as a score. And he has a lot of those guard skills that you really can't teach. I think that's gonna have a lot of value. Granted like the injuries stuff is a huge question. And we didn't see him play basketball for the last twelve months. But I liked what I saw high school, and I've liked what I've seen over the last two months. He's crazy impressive under underscore, the injury stuff because Lonzo an holiday both have leg issues knee issues as well. Right. So that would be a big risk. And I think that's the one factor like if they don't take garland, and that's their explanation. I'm okay with it. I'm cool with it. I hope if they pass on him though, they wind up taking over say, culverts the alternative that would make sense to me. If I were a pelicans fan. Yeah, I've still not sure though you were mentioning some fit problems or questions that you might have with Brandon Ingram and John Williamson, I think last week when we were talking about this are there, some similar fit issues with Ingram covert, and Zaylon. That doesn't feel the cleanest to me, I think Kover is probably going to be an okay spot up shooter, and it will work, but I think he's going to want to have the ball decent amount. And I guess he's a good playmaker. Maybe a very good playmaker, but not like some elite level playmaker. So I don't know. I would be less excited about that prospect, and I would be about garland. Yeah. I mean what do you think about Ingram and Zion together you like Ingram way too much you have for a long time? And so I think that he looked really good. When LA went small and just didn't care about defense. And I think the pelicans, that's probably going to be at least one tool, and their box going forward is like trying on, at the five and just being the most freakishly athletic team. So I think Ingram would get his numbers and those. Scenarios. But I think he is the type of guy who you do have to take care of them that second contract, you just pay him. And you and you just continue to hope for development. I think he's about the right things off the court. I don't think he's got that Wiggins personality. It'll, he's going to settle in terms of how he cares about his career and that kind of stuff. I just don't think he is nearly as valuable as you do largely because of the shots election. And also some of the health concerns, an injury issues. That's popped up now. Multiple times hero glass couple years. Yeah. And I agree that in the New Orleans system. I'm not sure how valuable he is. If he doesn't really improve as three point shooter, and, you know, his his shooting stroke has looked good since easy since he was a rookie. But some of his numbers have sort of regressed from the perimeter and like I mean shooting stroke looks good. Because he's wide open because people give them eighteen that's true. Well, and look, he's a better fit in theory. I think when people hear Brandon Ingram, they think, oh, God just slide him. I'm in at three next is I on and you're set for the next ten years. I'm not sure if that's true, if he's not going to be a shooter like you can play him on ball and put him in pick and rolls with Zion as the screener, and, like, maybe that works a little bit. But, like Zion probably isn't going to be a shooter either and he's going to need spacing around him. And maybe Brandon Ingram isn't that guys. Like, if I were New Orleans fielding trade offers I would definitely be taken calls on Ingram as well and probably more so than the fourth pick this week because you just you're not sure what that fit is really gonna look like, like, if they don't get an offer that blows them away, then sure go into next season, and see what you have like you're right to mention the contract, because like Ingram is going to have to get paid a lot of money, regardless, just because that's the way the stupid, NBA works. And like he's a number two pick in the pedigrees there. And somebody is going to be able to will, but somebody is going to be willing to throw him one hundred forty million dollars, but. I don't know for New Orleans their position to pay him, right? Like they have, you know, they'll, they'll be okay from a flexibility standpoint when it comes time to, to pay him. Yeah. Thankfully, they're not they're not still paying Ashiq. I mean they did for a long time, but I think they're out from under that one well, and the Sullivan hill contract is also almost over almost there's light at the end of the tunnel there. But yeah, I I don't know Ingram is still my nephew, just for the record, I believe in him nine as New Orleans, but with that, then let's keep it moving because today's show is brought to us by Ray. Con guys it's two thousand nineteen everyone needs a great pair of wireless ear buds. But before you go dropping hundreds of dollars on a pair, you need to check out the wireless ear buds from Ray Khan rake on recently sent me a pair of wireless headphones and they've been awesome to work out with and great for flights as well. You guys should all check them out. Rake on ear buds start, and about half the price of any other premium wireless ear buds on the market. And they sound just as amazing. The company was. Actually co founded by Ray j and celebrities like snoop Dogg. 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If you've been eyeing a pair now is the time to get an amazing deal. One more time that's by recon dot com slash floor. All right. Let's get back into it then because I have one other question on the Laker side of all, this Brian says, sharp in your winners, and losers, piece you compared the Lakers trade to the infamous nets cagey and peers trade, and said that ADA is eleven years younger, but AD isn't Kevin Garnett in this scenario. Lebron is he's incomparably great, obviously. But he's about to turn thirty five. He's played twelve hundred games not including the play offs. And he just had his first injury. Shortened seasoned, what if he can't hold up? What if his game slips I imagine? They've got a one year window maybe two will it all be worth it? So what do you think then because I think that is ultimately as we've kind of as the dust settles, after the last seventy two hours. The LeBron question was underplayed at the outset and might be the most interesting aspect of all this to me going forward. Well, those concerns were underplayed going. Into last season two. Right. I mean, I think we probably discuss it here on this podcast. But I think there was a lot of a sump shin that just LeBron pencil Amon eighty two games twenty eight eight and when he wasn't out there the Lakers were awful. And I would anti doping kind of the same thing happening again. I mean, any Navis is whole career has been a story of well, he doesn't have a lot of great talent. He's not good enough to carry a team to a winning record or at least not year after year after year. Like he can make you interesting, if he goes on an absolute tear, he can get you into the mix. But that's just the nature of his game that hasn't been the deal their margin for error is very thin. They need great health from LeBron and great health from Anthony Davis or that's probably a lottery team. Right. I mean if one of those two things doesn't happen or if those guys miss extended stretches, they're going to be really in for it. And so I think there's long-term risk. No question about it. But I think there's some real short term blow up potential to keep in mind. They've got a brand new coach. Keep him on. Dot some stylistic questions in terms of how does Vogel wanna play. How's he going to get along with LeBron? Lebron has started the season last you're playing super duper fast, but that lasted for about a month, then he got back into more of his slowdown style. Anthony Davis has played up and down like crazy these last couple of years with the pelicans that's really what he's put up the best numbers of his career. So there's gonna be some tension points to iron out and that's why I'm not ready to sort of crown the Lakers. I mean, I realize the west is absolutely wide open. Now you've got Houston kind of melting down Golden State's going to be taking a step backwards, Portland. There's questions, did they max out how far they can go this year. I think the sleeper and the Western Conference is actually the Denver Nuggets bet on anybody to win their west right now. I'm sure they've got amazing odds. And I might actually be tempted to do that. But I think that the Email is concerns are very vowed this isn't just something where five years from now, this could blow up in their face, like we could absolutely be having the same kind of hand wringing over the Lakers like next January that we had this past January. Yeah. And I think it's pretty interesting because you see people first of all to go back to the first question, we got is the Lakers front office fully redeemed, the Lakers front office won't be fully redeemed until we see them put a coherent team around these two guys, and that's going to be very difficult. And when that hard, I mean lances out there Beazley's out there they do this probably get your Ville. There's Audrey KCET. Sure sign Willie Cauley Stein. I saw Harrison Barnes opted out, you know, they're, they're plenty of options out there. The sad part is Harrison Barnes will probably get twenty three billion from the king's just like the Lakers, full caps like their option is to take embarks, or nobody else does much room. The Lakers have to. Operate with. Yeah. And well and they're going to be in a tricky spot. And the first of all, I enjoy that it does still feel like the league is wide open because for a couple of hours on Saturday, it looked like the Lakers were going to go sign another superstar and head the next season as the clearcut title favorites. And now their future is murkier. And they like they will absolutely have a title shot next year as long as Anthony Davis, LeBron stay healthy, and obviously, we have see what else they get. But, like I think that they're going to be more on equal footing with six or seven other teens which is pretty crazy to think about. And and I'm excited for that. But the like the Lakers formula can work if LeBron is LeBron. And I saw people mentioning how great LeBron Anthony Davis would be defensively, but, like LeBron just stopped playing defense over the last three years. And so I don't think you can really pencil him into help on that end at this point in his career just saying, like Anthony Davis and player x can be great defensively, because Anthony Davis can be great defensively. Anthony Davis is going to have to be amazing on defense to sort of hold everything together. The thing is, I keep coming back to this, like, they're going to need that third star in part because of where LeBron is at this point, and in part because people keep saying, like, oh, well just use that cast based divided up among like four role players, and they're going to be in good shape. And like, I don't know what role players people think they're gonna get with twenty three million dollars. If that's what they end up having, like your return on investment for those guys. Like if you if you pay Patrick Beverley, you want him on the clippers deal. You don't want him on the twelve million dollar deal that he's about to get this summer and the same will be true for a number of guys who it's like theoretically would be great fits in LA, but just are gonna be overpaid. Because a lot of teams have cap spaces summer, and that's why like all things being equal just go get a star and fill out the rest of the Rosser would spare parts. With you. But which of these stars are actually in play. Right. Like, are we ruling kyri Ashton are we ruling Kirio? I don't know. Do you think all coffee? Shop would take it to take it back to the west coast. I mean, I feel like if, if the full max is there. I don't see that sacrifice you know, because he's number three on the billboards. He's already been sick of having that secondary treatment in Cleveland, plus a financial sacrifice plus just all the draw on the headaches will come with the media doesn't really sound like a kyri environment. Maybe he'll be proved me wrong. But wanted to see I love the Kemba idea that came out. I mean, I think that's a guy who actually I would love to clippers to get to, I mean, I think Kevin Kawai would be an awesome, pairing for the clippers. But pass that Jimmy Butler. You would do it if you can't do it, but I wouldn't be like head over. Heels or like super excited about him from fit standpoint anyways, and so even the third star route has its own hurdles it might basic point. Yeah. I mean, I think you gotta aim for Kawai for civil then Kyrie and then a Kemba would make sense as an off ball shooter who can kind of orbit those two guys and, and then take over, when one of them sits like that, that makes sense to me granted, like he's not a great defender either. But I think if you're the Lakers, you kind of just have to make peace with the idea that you're not going to be a killer defensive team regardless, and maybe Kemba would be willing to take less. Like he's someone who would make more sense for than someone. Kyri kyri. It'd be it would be pretty funny, because after like the three years, we've heard of him wanting to play with Anthony Davis like this would really put it to the test and test, how real his. His fake friendship with the bron- has been over the last six months. So I would be I would be into it, but beyond that, all I could say is like the idea that they're going to go sign three role players and have that make a lot more sense. Like, I don't know that doesn't hold up for me. Yeah. So you mentioned Kawai here. That's an interesting one to me because I think over the last week, we've actually learned a decent amount about qui-, first of all, he's loved being the man, you know, he looked awful happy after the finals were over when he's clutching that follows MVP trophy, what he's standing in front of a million raptors fans at the championship parade. Smoking a cigar on the bus dousing people in Champaign. He really seemed like he liked being a man. It's not the traditional pound your chest. I want to be as famous as possible type guy at all, but he looked like he was in his element. And same deal after he hit that jumper to beat the Sixers after game seven. He liked the attention in those moments. Right. Attention's not coming, if you join the Lakers. So I think that's a hurdle there. I think financially again the same thing applies with Kyrie sacrifice trying to sell quite Leonard on taking a pay cut after a finals MVP and incredible postseason push in a title. I mean, that's tough sell. No disrespect to rob Pelinka but. Struggling coming together. You know what I don't even know Pelinka is going to be invited to some of these meetings because it's going to have to be all on LeBron to make any of this happen. And maybe he can do. Clutch. Yeah, it may be if you're, you're meeting and clutch conference rooms. Okay. And also, I would add that, like they don't even pick up the phone with Kawai if they don't have max cast base. And if the deal is into late until July thirtieth, because you're right. That's a conversation ender right there. But it's it's worth a shot. And those are the types of moves where you really get the whole leagues attention, if you can, if you can complete this third superstar whereas if it's like Darren collison, and Danny green, and you're bringing back Reggie Bullock on the cap, hold then. It's like all right. Well, like eighty LeBron are both going to have to play like an MVP level next year. We'll see if they could do it like you obviously, don't dismiss them. But like the Lakers are further away than they seem this weekend. Yeah. I hear you. I guess, just going back to this idea of, we've learned about Colli. I mean, I think some of the lessons we've learned about quiet to me would actually favor the clippers right? Like they've been lurking there for a while. But if you wants to be the man, he can go be the man, if you want an organization that will bend over backwards for him like the raptors did me certainly seem to enjoy it as he was telling us about how amazing the load management program worked out and everything else, and rubbing it in all of his critics faces after he won the title clippers would be willing to do that. There's no doubt about it. They've beefed up their medical staff as well and try to take care of the little things. Right. So if the pool is look, I need to go back to southern California. And we're just lining up these destinations. I think even if the Lakers had the max cap space to offer. I think the clippers have actually position themselves better to appeal to what we've learned about Kawai here over the last couple of weeks. And look put kuwa- on the clippers across from eighty and LeBron on the Lakers. I mean neck. Years, west is going to be wild because again, you're going to have a bunch of sort of pretty good teams who all have a realistic title shot like there could be five teams in the west next year who enter the season thinking that they're gonna make the NBA finals. That's crazy to think about tell you right now, I'll take a wise clippers over the LeBron eighty Lakers right now. How about you? Yeah. I think so too. Particularly if the Lakers are not going to have max cap space, which, again, it's just crazy that we are not really sure, and that probably partly the NBA's stupid rules. But it's a wildcard. I'm rooting for right now is the Lakers not to get the mex- cap space. And yet, still get a star on one of those discounted deal so that we could all do that member. The Andrei Kirilenko freak out with the Brooklyn nets. Took like that super bark and deal. And everyone was convinced the Russian mafia was involved in like paying him under the table. Because it procure off and all that if the Lakers, get third star without having the max cap space. It will be like the cure Lincou thing times. One hundred I kind of want that day. You know what? I'm also rooting for AD to decline. His trade kicker, which is like four and a half million dollars on the way from New Orleans to LA and then be paid like fifteen million dollars by Warner Brothers to star in Space Jam too. That'd be a fun. Little controversy for late July. I just saw Twitter that he side with ruffles potato potato chip company. I wonder if he got, like a four billion dollar deal from what are you Tirlian possible? And I saw that too. I was like, oh boy. Like there aren't a lot of elite sponsors lining up for Anthony Davis. I think he's going to find that even being in LA like his problem was not necessarily New Orleans problem is that he's just kind of a boring person. So I'm interested. See how much Elliot and sort of health fix that Chung around ruffles. Okay they've got fifty eight thousand Twitter followers. That's more than I've got, I think more than you've got to. So this is a heavy hitter. I don't know if you're lineup up in endorsement deal for Anthony. Davis or not? But I'm not so I'm not I'm not no shots at ruffles. All right. We gotta talk about the Boston side of this is well, Tom says, hey, guys, what is Boston's plan? Now building offense around two wings that can't dribble or pass. What do you think then? Well, are they actually curious because you've been selling me on this idea for three years of this, Anthony Davis, Celtics trade interest, and that's why I started off compared to the whole idea of the podcast to vitro because I've been so concerned that I was going to have to hear about, you know, the sons of Danny or how Brad Stevens deserves equity in the franchise. He's going to be the one who feels like this hall of fame level game out of it. The davis. We've been hearing about Kyrie's incredible magnetism towards other superstars. And at this point, it seems like he's basically just like hiding from the Boston Celtics, not even a returning, their phone calls, which I don't blame them. This all took. A real sharp churn for Celtics fans like yourselves. I'm trying not to be a little too gleeful here. But I do feel like I dodged a major bullet, not with only this podcast, but with the next three years of podcast, because the concept of Anthony Davis going, and just wreaking havoc for the Celtics opening up a real dynasty window for them. It was weighing on my soul. Weighing on my conscience. I feel pretty good right now. Yeah. Well, and hearing you outline that reality in that time line to now feeling good because I am both Celtics lovers. Celtics believer, and also like long time Celtics hater and the idea of the Celtics just owning the east for the next five years would have been pretty grim, as well. Basically, like there's no good outcome for me in the Boston Celtics at this point. So relationship real quick before we get your where they go from here. Where did this go wrong for them? Because Danny spent. Legitimately you at least based on your telepathic of the Celtics interest Davis that I've had to listen to for at least once a week for the last three years, this has been a long term commitment of mental focus in a desire from age, and he basically got blown up Rich Paul multiple times saying, hey, we have no interest in going to your organization, and he's still kept coming back, according to the reports, so weird this thing go wrong. Yeah. I mean it's incredible. And the interest was always not, particularly subtle from the Celtics side of things over the last three or four years, they have been openly angling to get him in Boston for years now, and it was all lining up for this summer, this, July to make the deal and I wrote about this over the weekend, like in the same way that it took the kind of perfect confluence of luck and intelligence and perfect timing for the warriors to come together over the. Last five or six years, like the Celtics had the same thing happened over the last, twelve months, where just everything that possibly could have gone. Wrong went wrong in the most gutting way possible. And you look at, like what they were supposed to be trading for AD. You can start with the kings pick, which is expected to be a top three top five pick landed at fourteen. Instead, the kings were a couple of games outside the playoffs some out, and like that's number one, but then also like kyri kind of poisoning, the locker room there alongside. I think the Anthony Davis rumors poisoned the locker room a little bit and screwed with their season. And as the season, went sideways kyri was no longer committed in Boston. And then suddenly, it makes less sense for them to gamble on renting AD for a year and convincing him to stay because I think Kyrie's recruiting power was real. And if you brought Anthony Davis and paired him. With kyri like they would have had a real title shot and, and the gamble would have been worth it. But like without him. I the Celtics decided it wasn't worth it. And, and then you go back and look at some of the deals that they didn't do they probably didn't even think very hard about a Kawai, Leonard deal last year because they didn't want to turn around and trade, Jalen Brown when they expected him to be like, the, the centerpiece, at least on the players side of an Anthony Davis steel. And so it's amazing how much it has. All come crumbling down for the Celtics here to me, it feels like the Hayward injury is where this all went sideways. Yeah. Right. I mean, if I had to circle, one event out of all of them, because I think the Hayward, injury welled up changing the kyri dynamic, like, hey words healthy. It's more of this, like, hey, we're the super team that can just rose teams died after night. We've got star level type guys that every single position, we've got this elite defense and it's not quite the. Kyri ego show that I think the Celtics sort of devolved into a times here over the last twelve months, and I also think had he been a star level player may be would have changed expectations for some of the younger guys where they don't quite get, as many opportunities and touches and shots in the big moments that they did. So then they became conditioned to expect that they deserved it. You know you know forever going forward. I think that was part of the tension, that you're describing with Kyrie as well. So to me, I just kind of circle that Gordon Hayward injury as being of the moment that everything came tumbling down. In. I don't know where they go from here to answer the question. Like, if kyri leaves, I think that you, you try to recast yourself as defense oriented team, the gritty underdogs. They work couple years ago, you're going to be able to be competitive and likely win a playoff series just based on the institutional straight that they've got going there. But I don't see how they get back into the contention window, whether it's none of these free agents seem to have much interest in going to Boston. We haven't seen any real rumors along those lines, they're going to have to pay up to keep Al Horford. I believe he he wound up opting out this week as well. So I think, you know, they're only path to really getting back to where they thought they were going to be is Tatum, taking monster. Leaps forward and becoming a perennial all-star. That's really their only way that they can do this thing. I'm not going to bet against that. But I also think it might take a little bit longer than they needed to. Yeah. And I'm really glad that you highlighted Hayward at the start there, because I think that ultimately, what happened is that Cairo was kind of the linchpin to all of this. And once you removed him from the equation, every other plan that the Celtics had began to unravel both this season because you could say that Cairo was kind of a wall for parts of this season, as well, at least motionlessly, and that affected the team, and then obviously going forward with the trade, like, if Kyrie's not there that changes their calculus in a big way. And I think a lot of that goes back to Hayward. And when kyri committed to stay in Boston Hayward was expected to be his old self and he looked at Boston as his best shot at winning title, I think after like halfway through the year. He looked around like wait a second. These guys may not be that good. And then he reneged on his promise, and then he got very moody after that, and it all kind of went sideways from there. But it does all star. Art with Hayward not being the guy. He's supposed to be right. He averaged eleven points per game this year and made thirty one million dollars. All those, that's not great return and all those guys had to hear questions about can't he come back at it. I mean it was just peppering them down the stretch. Right. He's the X factor of the postseason. All these guys are like, all right. Well, he's making thirty one million. He's not really doing much and we're doing everything we like make it work. I mean, another reason that the Hayworth thing came back to bite them is because his decision to sign there was like a pretty big preachy coup for that franchise, right? Like notoriously had struggled to give reagents before that. So it started to build this image of Boston, potentially as big time destination. Right. Then they get kyri all that momentum starts to go that way. But when you look at the guys who are available this summer. Nobody's even checking for Boston. And we heard rich politics like come out and say it in Sports Illustrated, like we don't want Anthony Davis going there. He doesn't wanna be there. And that's because when you're trying to compete with all these other markets, image matters. Perception matters. And what other superstar level players are how they view your team that matters in your decision to clearly with given the prevalence of all these team up scenarios. And I think for Boston the last couple of years, you know, basically the time that Hayward's Ben there it's just lost some of its sheen. It's lost some of its luster, and I think that's tough because it did seem like for about eighteen months there. Maybe they were building so momentum in that direction where they were going to be a place that everybody wanted to flock to, and I'm not sure that there anymore. Like I it's tough if car reaches walks for nothing. They miss out on Anthony Davis. They don't get any other stars this summer, and they're just kind of left holding the bag with Hayward's contract. Man. That's, that's a tough perception problem. It's rough. And I personally don't think Danny aines really did anything wrong at any point in this process. I mean, there are some moves you could second guess, and you can go back to last summer and say, all right. Trade for Kawai go all in. But like it is what it is. I understand what they were thinking at each stage. I do also understand why there are a lot of people out there who are loving every second of this, and, and throwing this in the hate to see it category. As the Celtics come crashing down. That's completely fair as well. I think that what you said about Rich Paul. Like that's one thing we did call. When Anthony Davis signed with clutch last summer, you and I are on the podcast talking about, you know, like every time Rich Paul and the Braun have ever been to Boston. They are probably getting off their flight talking about how much they hate it there and how much they want to beat the Celtics and. And that clearly cost them in the end in this, because it certainly seemed like the both publicly and behind the scenes clutch and Anthony Davis, did everything they could to make it clear to Boston that, like it was going to be a one year situation and kyri the guy who may have been able to bridge that divide is apparently, go to Brooklyn like nobody has any idea what Kyrie's going to do. But it's all right, though, twelve time Tatum will lead the future anchor a new era in Boston. I'm sure the Celtics are going to be annoyingly fine next year and we'll probably win like fifty two games with this ragtag group. Yeah. They're going to get into, like poor band Spurs territory, or it's like we're just gonna have to like pay are generic praise to them. Oh, what do you. What can you say about Brad locked in team defense? You know it's just so consistent. They just grind you down. Might not go deep in the playoffs. But boy, that's a team you wouldn't want to have to phase. Yeah. Well, speaking of the play offs and not necessarily going as deep as people expected. Elliott says with all this rockets drama swirling. I've been thinking about Chris Paul starting with we'll Chris Paul or James harden be remembered as the better NBA player, and what is Chris Paul's place in basketball history, or even among his peers is he a top five point guard all time, top twenty five player all time is the top five player of his generation. What do you think banning? What was your reaction to the news out of Houston this week? Well, we did kind of call the tension after that game six loss. Right where yeah. You did James harden came on the podium was acting all weird. And then here it is like the reports coming out this week that Chris Paul is a little bit. Demonstrative. He's trying to quote unquote coach James James looking back at them, like come on, man. Like you're not even on my level. Like, who are you to tell me what to do that? None of that stuff, surprise me. It was a great piece by Tim McMahon of ESPN dot com. So go ahead and check that out give that a click and a read for sure. Chris Paul is going to be remembered very well by history. But not as well as he will be if they can find a way to kind of mend the fences and get to the finals next season and potentially when a title next season. I think he's a top five point guard. I mean all the advanced dad's love him. You know, his long time streaks of all MBA all defensive selections, stack up very, very well against basically, everybody. I think he's a top twenty five player now. Is he a tough, I player of his generation, I think that gets a little bit more debatable in terms of went you cut off the generation, but. This guy's been doing it for a very long time. And I think his peak was incredibly high. You can make a case that he was an MVP level player there for multiple seasons top three level type candidate in that situation. So I think his legacy is going to be fine. Unfortunately, he's gonna be one of these guys whose personality winds up shading everything, especially for the next ten years of conversations, people are going to look at the playoffs shortcomings. They're going to look at him being wound, too tightly or or having similar downs in the postseason and use that to define him. But to me, he's, he's in very, comfortable historical territory. But hardens going to be viewed as the better NBA player over over Chris Paul by the time. He's done. I agree with that. And, you know, there was a quote from Tim McMahon's piece that was a rockets team source saying, Chris has a personality where he just doesn't let anything go. He just keeps pestering and pestering. And pestering, and pestering, sometimes James's had enough and not just him. That's what makes Paul a winner. And it's also what keeps him from being a big time winner. He's got to temper that he can't. I mean, everybody knows he can't temper that because everybody was saying the same things about what the clippers. Right. Right. And I don't even know how real it is. But that's certainly how he's gonna be remembered if he doesn't ever win. And people are going to point to the tantrums and say this guy was just wound too tight for the biggest moments in basketball, and that's what cost him in the end, and I don't know if he hadn't pulled his hand string at the end of the warriors series last year like that could have gone either way to, like, if he's at home in Houston, with a chance to close them out, like, who knows. And I just think I called him basketball cicis in the past, like there have been so many close calls were Chris Paul fails for reasons that seem inexp-. Applicable that I think ascribing all of it to his personality is probably a mistake, but it's probably how we're going to remember him, whether it's fair or not for sure. And I, I mean it is real the personality of Israel, like he had teammates in LA who would instruct reporters don't ask me about him. I will not answer questions about right? I mean, that's real thing that happened to me. So that tells you how things devolve, I think, Doc Rivers has even sort of hinted pretty directly at some of the personality conflicts that erupted there in the closing years of that lob city team. So it's definitely part of it at the same time, those questions were not leading the Chris Paul conversation. Eight years ago back when he's in his prime when he's putting up twenty ten when he's dicing people up when he's collecting gold medals when he's looking like the best point guard in the entire league before Steph curry came along. So go back to his pelicans days, some of the some of the pelicans teams that he would carry to the play offs. And then what? He would do when he got to the playoffs like this guy was out of his mind and some of those playoff games. And so it just bums me out, because I agree that what you what you said like the personality stuff is definitely real. But it's really only half the story as the years pass, and we continue to see him fail. It's sort of, like consuming a lot of other like awesome memories that we should have. Well the more that his game degrades, the more the personality stuff probably greats. Team. And the more comes for just annoying. Fact check it was the Hornets days, not the pelicans days. I'm sure the New Orleans fans get on us if we don't clarify that. But I think you know, Chris Paul has an interesting narrative because of the different chapters. Right. Like he forced his way to LA, but it wasn't really the LA that he originally thought he was going to keep totally transforms the clippers franchise, but he doesn't leave as like this beloved franchise icon. It's like de'andre Jordan got all of that love and even Blake Griffin got more that love, Chris Paul almost leaves in this weird scenario to go to Houston. There's arguably some of the highest moments especially from the postseason aspect have come in Houston, but it's also come with him and have reduced role. So he doesn't have this very neat storyline. We're all these like chapters like fit together and it all builds towards something. And I do think that, that will complicate how people remember him because he's not one of those like one franchise type stars right? Yeah. And I. I think you know, if you're saying who gets his jersey retired, I from the clippers they probably go DR J or Blake, before they go. Chris Paul, right? Yeah. Which is really weird because it was Chris Paul who legitimize them like that wouldn't Blake Griffin was there. They were like a Colt leap past team, and then Chris Paul showed up and they were contending every year and winning fifty five year for five or six. Yeah. He was. He was awesome. He was definitely their best player to that's the weird part to me. But again, not quite as beloved in certain ways, and I'm sure leaving the way he did from New Orleans probably left some hard feelings, too. So, and Houston fans are ready to trade them right now, when she agree. So he's got a story, I think the long story short here is, it's not going to be a tidy paragraph summarizing Chris Paul's career, but the headline should be tough. I point guard all time. Yeah. Is good as Johnston. I his shortcomings like knowledged that he looks like a psycho half the time and that particularly late in his career. His game has become pretty grading. But, but I do Chris Paul at his peak was just awesome. So and, you know, Houston Andrew Wiggins is reportedly available. So we could just that, that hypothetical. Chris Paul for Wiggins trade is out there. And we'll see how much the rockets hate Chris. Paul, be my answer on that. You want to talk about complicating Chris Paul's legacy sent him to Minnesota for the last year that'll get final chapter real dark. Here you go. All right, Portia. Real quick. Just Joseph says regarding east versus west in the finals. The east has won seven of the last fifteen titles and fifteen of the last thirty thank you for the oh, no. Slowdown don't think him because I was getting killed on Twitter, supposedly, I was gas lighting you and all these other things Joseph didn't count rate, the west has one nine of the last fifteen titles. They are nine and six in the last fifteen years. That's not eight and seven. So the fact check. I just real quick. To believe. That's the thing with you're sitting next to me, fake news, Gulliver. I just don't know guys you guys kill me. Okay. I understand that this was a big moment that you don't often get your hands on the Larry O'Brien trophy, so you don't really know how to act. But you can simply count the last fifteen years, you've got Toronto. You've got to for Miami. You've got one from Cleveland one from Boston, one for Miami, Detroit was not one of the last fifteen years. So the count was accurate use said on last podcast. The east has won forty percent of the titles estimated that off the top of your head. You're dead, right? Your mouth was correct. Andrew nine and six forty percent. I have a couple of other facts, your for you, and Joseph. Okay, because you guys are really struggling here and let me just Prevost by saying, if you wanna make the argument that you think the east is going to be better going forward. I am open to that argument. But if you're going to try to muddy the waters, and I'm not saying you. I'm just saying all Eastern Conference people in general, that's fine. If you want to the waters about the last twenty years since the Jordan era, you're completely out of bounds doing that. The west is thirteen and seven the west is thirteen and seven in the last twenty finals nine and six in the last fifteen finals in thirteen of the past fifteen years, the west eighth seed, how to better record than the east eighth seed in the last ten years every year the Western Conference as a whole has won more games than the Eastern Conference. All right. So this is what I'm talking about when I'm saying, oh, this show versus triple A, like it, sometimes when you get to the finals crazy things can happen. One injury can turn the whole thing like we just saw this year, and it's a mother. Last year's going top of the conference versus top of the conference. Is it the best method for evaluating which conferences better? If you wanna look at the top versus the top eight or the whole fifteen versus the whole fifteen there is no question. For twenty years, the west has been significantly better. And so for people to try to tack my credibility and saying, I'm like misconstruing how the west versus the east goes. It's first of all, learn how to count you can't even count to fifteen on these fact. Checks and second of all, keep it real and beyond. And don't try to spin things. You know what the show's about give the show? It's respecting look man ally. Travels halfway around the world before the truth even puts its pants on all, I know is that the east owns the title this year and truth be told on last Bod cast, I was not even really reading Kapiti ah, because the internet at the courtyard cut out. And so it is what it is. I trust you though, I trust your numbers, and I need to be very clear that when. I bring up the east versus the west, I am specifically just screwing with you. It's not part of any ideological arguments. So I'm not worried about you, you stumbled into the right answer with forty percent on the last episode these other people, you can't get out back pets for fact checks that are just completely wrong. Come on. You're better than that. Well, the future of the east is going to be pretty interesting to. Let's see trade of both Anthony Davis and co wire L A. I can't wait to see the fantast get could get a little dicey. Particularly, like God only knows what happens to Boston. We might need Philly to get it shit together for the sake of the Eastern Conference. So hopefully and beat is working out. Let's get Ben Simmons in the gym work on that jumper. Maybe, maybe that's, that's how this story resolves itself. But tested be your AAA hero. What a twist of fate. How we've come this far. It's yeah. Maybe maybe these all ready lost if we're pinning our hopes on Ben Simmons, Kevin says, and we'll end with this a little over a year ago, my buddy, Dan, I made custom raptors slash open floor jerseys. It's true. They did one said sharp and then the other one was a derozen jersey that said Gulliver, and then one was vanfleet jersey that said sharp it was awesome. And then he continues and says, at that point, Ben came on the podcast and mentioned that he shared our Instagram, handles with friends before learning through said friends that Dan had a photo of a giant penis on his Instagram account to be accurate. It was a fact. Simile Odil, though. Not the real thing that fateful photo was an outtake from a music video that we were working on at the time fast forward a year and change later and the night after a y hit the game winning shot. Over the seventy Sixers. We won the prism prize. Canada's top music video accolade for that. Very same video. I finished off my acceptance speech by thanking Kawai wish got the loudest applause of the night. It's funny how life works year ago. All this was a joke, but this spring, we all have trophies congrats to Kevin O G open floor globe member and congrats to raptors fans everywhere. I feel bad. We didn't get to really focus on the raptors as much as we probably should have. But like game six was so crazy. But I really am truly happy for all the raptors fans who have continued listening to this podcast because you guys deserve it. We talked plenty about the raptors forget about that part. I thought complaints about not talking. I thought we talked enough about them. Look they had their moment in the sun and they the termites. They were really out there sunbathing. Let's put it that way. They want it all the tension. All the adulation we gave them plenty of love your over the last month. I hope they enjoyed it. Because if quiet leaves hoof. No. But also, it was a really cool title and you can go read, I roll, obviously title. Come on. I'm just a sucker. Whatever it is what it is. I don't know about all that. I think we gave Toronto plenty of love over the last month, and it was a fantastic run for them. There's no doubt about it, the scenes from the parade were incredible. But I thought the real trophy that Kevin was mentioning was the sign jersey that I gave him at the life show for Kevin O'Connor cancer benefit to find out that I'm really only taking second place to his prison prize music video award was a real shot at the ego inch. I gotta say. Yeah, it's tough. It's tough, you know, but either way, big win for them. Big win for rafters fans everywhere. I think Marcus soul, is still drunk somewhere in the middle of Toronto that parade looked awesome. And on that note, Ben, we gotta keep it moving because the draft is it forty eight hours away, and you're already in New York. I'm going to be in New York tomorrow morning. And yeah we'll we'll reconvene on draft night. So I was great edge, you everybody could check us out on our podcast by searching for open floor. That's two words fund, our page, scroll down. It will say rate and review tap five stars. It's just that easy. Help us spread the word help us get over review numbers up. We're closing in on twenty five thousand reviews we just need about twenty three thousand three hundred more. So help us out there. Also, we're on the world famous radio dot com slash open floor. We got some incredible questions this weekend. Davis really brought out the open floor globe. So guys Email. Those questions in open floor male gmaiLcom, open, floor male edgy dot com. And you mentioned we're going to be doing a show after the draft instant reaction. So if you've got any thoughts based on who your team picks, who they don't pick who they pass on all that good stuff? 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169 Author Claire Eliza Bartlett

What Book Hooked You?

23:22 min | 9 months ago

169 Author Claire Eliza Bartlett

"This is what book do you. I'm Broccoli and thanks for listening on this week's episode. We have clear lies a Bartlett whose newest novel the Winter Duke is out. Now and Claire is an American writer. Who's currently living in Copenhagen and so one of the things I asked her and you'll hear this is living in Europe With all its history and old buildings and and just atmosphere how that inspires her writing especially in fantasy because we always have these big fantastic worlds and castle and things like that and I got a chance back in college go to Scotland. One time indices the buildings and the castles and just the lands. It's you kind of get that inspiration and get that feeling that it does feel like a fantasy world and for Claire. This is something that she has enjoyed your here from a very young age Reading about fantasy and now writing about fantasy so it's all kind of come together and we talk about her first book. We rule the night and her latest winter. Duke so listen so Clare. What book hooked you? The book that to me sort of most in my young adult life was never with by new game. I I read good. Omens I think I knew game when I was a teenager like fifteen sixteen and I thought it was pretty interesting but I wanted to know more about new game in particular. I hadn't heard his name before and I did. One of those classic. Stay up half the night finishing neverwhere on a school night and It completely changed the way I saw fantasy as it was being written in the modern day was pretty discontent with the fantasy. I was seeing in the bookstores at the librarian. Saw and never were really turned. Ansi on its head for me. It opened up a lot of new ideas for what fantasy could be and it helped me go out looking for all of these less classic quest and secondary world fantasies that I think really such typical in the nineties in particular and so I think you're touching on but just just to ask what was where did the discontentment from come from what about fantasy at that time. Were you not really connecting with are really felt Was kind of a a weak point. In the fantasy genre. It was very samey fantasy For me like what I was. I think. A lot of this has to do with The bookstores and go to and the sections of the library that I would I would frequent But I would always get this very similar. Her story rights. Whenever whenever I looked in a book about you know someone. Who's chosen one? It has to go on their quest to rid the land of the greatest evil of course the classic one of the Classic Quest Narratives. But I think if someone hits you know finished furthering 's films and so I had my Philip questionnaire that sort of off of that and I wanted to look for something that would give me something new and so with never wear You know many people like Neil gaiman never wear. I don't know if some people might consider it. One of his more popular works so for those that maybe are familiar with game but not familiar with this book. What was it necessarily about this book? That was such a revelation to you who that's a good question. I think a big pressure revelation lists that it was the well the second field even book I've ever read after good omens I don't do he put it in the urban fantasy sort of Sean. Hesse eats a little bit. Chandra vending. I the setting really got me I Love I love London and it was my first Arthur. The first book I read that had like a super natural London in the sense of having a London London below of course Gamons writing. It's very he has a very particular style That appeals to me. So of course that helps but I think also he does something with characters this he does the strange blend of archetype and nuance when he writes characters in neverwhere in particular. I got the sort of deep seated feeling a familiarity that comes from archetype but I also was allowed or able to be surprised by the nuance for them. And I definitely think Neil Gaiman has had has has written other books batch sort of established that in more detail or do better job of it even neverwhere was the first so it always hold a special place for me and it sounds like fantasy was always sort of a big draw for you when it came to reading other types of storytelling movies. And such as well do you kind of remember like kind of what got you started And join this genre so much that would probably be genuine. Mom lives genuine and so we would get a lot of her. Like my mom would create You know some of her books to us. We would read some of her books on our own when we got to reading age Genuine of course has an enormous range. Literally hundreds of stories she's written and Therefore people of elites as well. So they're really they're really a she's really accessible in a number of ways. Definitely until I got into my late teens. I enjoyed fantasy. Only I think you'd probably started with Daniel in but it continued with a probably a deep desire to ignore th world around me and at what point then with your love of fantasy where you Attempting are had the idea to start exploring creating your own stories in your own worlds suicide very early I made my first dedicated attempt at a novel. Most fifteen or sixteen as the first time I wrote one that had a beginning middle and an end in the loosest sense of the words. At what point then did you kind of take this pastime? This talent this love of you had four writing and really kind of focus it on trying to become published. I think getting published was always a gold mine Because one of my I don't know if you would call it a trait an advantage or curse but one of my traits. This ambition for sure I decided to pursue it in a very concrete way when I was twenty four. I had just finished my master's degree. I was deeply disillusioned with academia so I didn't want to pursue an academic career anymore and essentially the only thing that ever wanted to do in my life where the academic and right so my only option left with writing after I was finished with my academics and that was when I I made a deal with myself that I had to get. I had to get some movement in the publishing world. By the time I was thirty or else find a new thing though is going to occupy my life and be a career for me and so kind of with that in mind How did you like work getting connected? Did you try to reach out to like community? Did you know some people often get their? Mfa's what some people like really kind of dip into like different forums and different things online. What did you really do to kind of really chase after that Definitely did try to get involved in communities. I'm not so great at online stuff so I wanted to make a community for myself here in Copenhagen which has had some success depending I've definitely made great brighter. Friends here And I've made some great writer friends in Sweden as well since it's not that far away On a big things I also did was. I started taking online classes. You mentioned in the FE And I don't have a fait but I started doing kind of master's level classes that were geared towards writing very specific sub genres of science fiction fantasy And that had a lot of critique they may be produced a lot of work and they made me really analyze. What were my weaknesses particularly in telling a story and then once Once I had a a good concept of where I was weak I could use that as a plan of Attack. In writing my longer. Work my novel and sort of trying to learn more research more. Read more how-to books About how to like improve myself improve my weaknesses and make a functioning story and so your new story The Winter Duke comes out on March second. So let's start talking about that and start by telling me what this book is about the main character. She's the Middle Child of royal family with lots and lots of kids They're all terrible people so what she wants. More than anything is leave them all behind and go to the university But right before her brother's bride show her entire family falls ill and so she has to first of all become the new. Grand Duke of her country. She has to find out what happened to her family How they were meet ill or cursed she has to deal with her brothers warrior bride And of course you have to find out who amongst her so called political allies wants to help her who wants to use her and who wants to kill her. And so what got you. What was that initial maybe idea or spark that got you writing the winner. Duke so there are two things that that sort of that came together to make this sort of a workable novel for me. the first was a setting and I had the idea for the setting for many years. The setting is to places. Actually there's a city above which is on top of a frozen Louis and a city below. Which is the kingdom under the lake? And many years I had the setting idea and I knew that these two kingdoms were somehow connected to each other and I didn't have a plot for them until A few years ago when I was finishing up my debut novel. We are the night We will the night is based off of some Russian history and so I was reading up on some of my Russian history I was reading about the Romanovs and I came across the tale of one of the slippery est political ills ever to walk this earth. His name is Peter ludvig wonder Palin. He was an advisor to emperor. Paul would have been at the end of seventeen hundreds and he managed to be on both sides of a coup at the same time he was advising Emperor Paul on how to deal with his son. Alexander And at the same time he was plotting with Alexander on how to overthrow Paul and not only did he get away with regicide killing his emperor but he even managed to get away with being ousted in the coup and he escaped with his life and was Was banished I think back to Russia So I just loved hearing about his political machinations and how this fan managed to To to not only not die but how to manage major policy in a huge kingdom that became a very loose space for one of the characters in the novel and it provided the foundation of political plot that I eventually ran list and so as a writer of fantasy. Obviously a large part of the writing and the plane for these books is coming up with the setting with the fantastical elements of the story. And so when it comes to you approaching these stories. How much do you know about the rules of the magic or the fantastical elements or the setting before you get into it versus what you allow yourself to kind of explore and find out during the writing process? I feel like I try to have a good sense of the magical setting before I get started That's at least been the case so far with an all Zaven oftentimes. I've also been able to make the setting an analog to something we have on Arbour's so that's in a way I'm I'm cheating and helping myself out. Whenever I have a question I can go take a look at you know the the real life counterpart as far as magic. I generally only have a very small idea of how it works before I get going with it. One thing I found in we will the night. Was that my magical rules. Came about as I had to solve. Supply problems And a lot of my role building happened out of necessity and the same thing happened to the Windu I knew in in this in this system. Magic is a thing it's a it comes from a flower it's a little bit like saffron. It's a little bit useless like Safran and it's extremely expensive like SAFM and so a lot of the magic came from from my need essentially to compare it to Safran I didn't want it to be A world breaking power but I wanted to be something that people would pay. Maybe kill for so Every time I had a question of necessity of why would people do this or why magic important. I would sort of look at it through that thing and you mentioned a little bit with we rule the night how you got inspiration from from Studying Russia and Russian history. I'm wondering you grew up In the states and now you're living in Copenhagen and get to travel around Europe because Much of where you live now is new to you that you're able to you. Know Find fantastical things and get fantastical inspiration from living in an having had this overseas experience from when you grew up that the magical Andrew dreamed about growing up your now sort of living in them some sense at yeah it does especially since I've moved to Europe right where a lot a lot of fancy especially the fancy that was prevalent sh Well it's prevalent up today and we have almost no other fantasies up until I was in my teens or early twenties even so I can see a lot of the fantasy. A fantasy inspired others. And if you take for example taking thrones after the war of the roses I believe In the United Kingdom. you over there and you'll see a lot of the scenery that he describes Because he bases a lot of his. He basis a lot of his His world around England Ireland may be a little bit around Scandinavia or Scotland. And it's also definitely being able to see how different places do things and how they accommodate for Different geographical features for example. I grew up in Colorado which is totally landlocked high altitude. High Mountains Then I come to mark where the highest point is about four hundred five hundred feet above sea level Where we are never more than like fifty sixty miles from water and that has had a huge impact on what Denmark is nation. And how even how they're building built and so when it comes to writing because of fantasy there's so much you're building into the setting and we talked about you know the different magical elements But obviously with all of that it's still needs to come down to two characters so when you are writing you know how do you feel like you have to have a pretty clear understanding of who your main character and supporting characters are and what they're kind of after even in this big world of of endless possibilities perhaps that you have to have a good understanding of who the thing with the rules that I give more law? When writing is every single thing that a character does they have to do for a specific reason. So even if you know. They crossed their arms. Or THEY SIRE. They look somewhere during the conversation. I need to know why they're doing that. I need to be enough in their head to know and Per example I'm I'm working on a novel. Currently of course I reading the first draft right now and initially. I walked away from this novel. Because I didn't have a strong sense of who the characters were Oftentimes from me if I don't have a strong characterization for my primary and secondary characters were off Then they feel very flat and I don't know what they would do why they would do it. I feel like I can't tell the story because I don't understand any of my character's motivations and as you're writing These different stories and these different worlds are always very careful that they're not too similar that each book each story that you're telling The setting and the world and the magic and the characters feel different from the other areas stories. That just passed A. I'm not sure how successful I definitely have checked with my agent. you know on on stories to say this to similar. I write a lot about Well primarily about young women and oftentimes about groups of young women so sometimes can be hard to know. If what I'm doing is a little bit. Samey for me. It's easier with the world's and road-building to make it distinguished partially because I'm trying not just to distinguish myself from what I have written before but I'm also can't what what's being written around me and And how do I distinguish myself from the numerous creative and innovative will building techniques to other authors? Putting out right now and so I often. I often find myself pushed farther in terms of creating world than in terms of creating characters. So Claire lets wind down here and as we do. I ask you a few questions. The first one being what? That's based on definitely my favorite. And if I could say the whole trilogy I would the towers if not yeah. That's my favorite. The next one then are you. Is there a book or a series? You're willing to take that. I never read definitely be Patrick Office The name of the wind and wiseman sphere I read the name of the wind and I was so irritated by it and then I'll never pick up the wise man's fear very good. And then what is the last prayer book that you've Read? I- Abigail Wing Him. I think her name is. It's just a really gorgeous Lee written in some very meaningful Store it's a classic young adult growing up and maturing story And it's really really beautifully done. Great well clear. The Winter Duke comes out on March the second and I wish you and this book on the best and that brings us to the end of another episode. I WanNa thank clear Elisa Bartlett for join me again her newest book the Winter. Duke is out now so hope you'll check that out in any way you can also check out some of the other episodes we have some great writers in fantasy and also many other categories Iraq Shelley. And until next time keep reading.

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ARP159 Battle of the Clouds

American Revolution Podcast

28:47 min | 4 months ago

ARP159 Battle of the Clouds

"Hello and thank you for joining the American Revolution. This week episode one fifty, nine, the battle of the clouds. Last week I covered the battle of brandy wine, which was the major battle that both sides had hoped would be decisive. General Washington had hoped to halt the British advance on Philadelphia. General Hal at hoped to wipe away the American rebels and take their capital. How won the battle and forced the continentals to retreat, but he did not capture the enemy army. Washington and the bulk of his soldiers escaped to fight another day. Following the battle general, how made no real effort to follow up and crush opponent? Instead the British in Hessian soldiers remained in camp near Brandy wine battlefield for five days. Remember. The British had only landed in Maryland a little over two weeks earlier. Most of the soldiers were sick or out of shape after being kept aboard ship for six weeks. Most of their horses had died, and the remainder were in terrible condition. After fighting a major battle, how did not want to push his men too hard? Although how had tried to put a stop to looting in hopes of winning over the local populace? He was fighting a losing battle. At least two British soldiers were executed in the days after the battle for looting and marauding. The British army did spend time looking for American soldiers in hiding and also four stash supplies. They also commandeered necessary food, horses and anything else. The army needed from the local population. General Deployed General James Grant with a couple of regiments to look for American stragglers during the continental retreat. Grants men scoured the area finding. Without horses, the soldiers on the march could cover little ground. The few feeble horses that they did have to pull their cannons could barely make it up some of the hills. The British also had a large number of their own wounded as well as several hundred wounded American prisoners. Sent a message under a flag of truce. Inviting the continentals to send doctors to care for the wounded prisoners being held by the British. Several Philadelphia surgeons including Dr Benjamin Rush. A signer of the declaration entered British lines under a flag of truce to care for wounded prisoners. While they are rush met with a number of British officers and spoke with an old friend Joseph Galloway, who had been a delegate to the continental congress at one time. Rejecting independence though Galloway had thrown in his lot with the British and was assisting general how? The two men now enemies spoke cordially and respectfully to each other. The continental army had retreated from brandy wine in relatively good order. The men were exhausted, but did not panic. Most of the army marched to the village of Chester for the night. The next morning, Washington move to soldiers up to the Schuylkill river where they crossed a pontoon bridge and entered Philadelphia. Fearing, an imminent attack on the city Washington removed his wounded to Trenton, and other towns North Philadelphia. The wounded General Lafayette went to Bethlehem. The schuylkill river was the last major barrier separating the British from Philadelphia. It took the continental army two days to move across the narrow bridge to the East Bank of the Schuylkill. If the continentals removed the bridge. There would be no way for the British to cross in the face of the enemy. Of course Washington knew that. How could just move north upstream and crossed the schuylkill where it was easier to Ford the river? If the British did cross upstream they could do so, and then marched down the West Bank and turn Washington's flank just as he had done on the banks of the brandy wine. In such a maneuver, Washington could easily find himself pinned in Philadelphia and forced to surrender his army along with the city. Washington's other concern about his position. was that it left the village of reading exposed. Reading was up to the West where the continental army had stored a great quantity of food and supplies. The British would undoubtedly receive intelligence about the supply depot. General Hal could send his regulars to capture the supplies that his own army needed and deny them to the continentals. So on September fourteenth. While the British continued to camp near the brandy wine during the days after the battle, and after Washington had given his army a day's rest, he provided the soldiers with more ammunition, and then crossed back over the Schuylkill River. He crossed further upstream across one of the fords near what is today conshohocken. Washington, put the continental army in a position where they could contest any British movement to the north, either toward reading were to move upstream where the regulars might Ford the Schuylkill and take Philadelphia. With the continentals on the march, the British well remained in camp, the British spent much of September twelve, burying the dead from both sides and tending to the wounded. They sent out foraging parties to collect food for the army. On, September thirteenth. House sent a detachment to capture Wilmington Delaware. The local Polish? They're put up no fight and fled abandoning their cannons without a shot fired. The British. Captured Delaware's President John McKinley. Who remained in town to oversee the town's so-called defense. After taking the town, how moved his wounded and his American prisoners to Wilmington as well? As planned at least a few ships from Admiral House Navy also reached Wilmington about this time and helped remove the wounded. The continentals still had forts and other defenses that prevented the navy from sailing further upstream to Philadelphia. But the lower part of the Delaware was relatively open to the British. Although the British. Army took its time and Washington prepared to put up. Another defense wants. It started to March again. Most patriots feared that Philadelphia would fall within days. On September twelfth just the day after the battle brandy. Wine Thomas Paine pent his crisis number four, where he began by noting the loss at brandy wine. The event of yesterday was one of those kind of alarms, which has just efficient to rouses to duty without being of consequence enough to depress our fortitude. It is not a field of a few acres of ground, but a cause which we are defending. And whether we defeat the enemy in one battle or by degrees, the consequences will be the same. Pain went on in his article to point out that with house limited number of soldiers being reduced with every battle. He must eventually fail no matter how many victories he had in the field. The Continental Congress began an inquiry into the loss at brandy wine. It ordered General Washington to open a court of inquiry against General to bore for his actions at brandy wine. You may recall from last week. The continental general from France had been in command of the left wing on Birmingham. The soldiers were out of position and ran when attacked. The fall of the left flank led to the general defeat of all the divisions on Birmingham Hill, and could have proved much more disastrous, but for the rearguard action led bride General Nathaniel Greene. When informed that he would face a court of inquiry? General Prudhomme to bore instead submitted his resignation on September thirteenth, blaming his failure on ill-trained and incompetent soldiers. Congress accepted his resignation the next day. That would be the end of divorce career in the continental army. But not his end in the revolution. To bore returned to France and to his commission as a colonel in the French army. A few years later he would return to America with the French army after France entered the war. But. That's getting ahead of our story. For now. deboer was going home to France. Congress also requested. General Sullivan, who was supposed to be commanding to Boris Division on Birmingham, Hill. Also be recalled from duty until there could be a court of inquiry. On this question, Washington to mirrored, he needed Sullivan to remain commander of the Maryland troops. He told Congress he could not afford to suspend General Sullivan or conduct a court of inquiry at that time because he anticipated another battle within days. Sullivan would retain his command. He would face a court martial later that year, not only for brandy wine, but also for his actions on Staten Island a month earlier as well as a few other things. That court martial would acquit Sullivan of all charges and clear him to return to duty. Congress though was not just looking for leaders to play. They also had praise for many of the commanders at Brandy wine. The marquee to laffy yet, battlefield wounds only improved the young general's reputation. The other foreign hero from brandy wine was Casimir Pulaski. On September. Fifteenth Congress granted Polaski a commission as a Brigadier General in the Continental Army. I mentioned last week that Polaski had raised a cavalry charge to halt the British. And give the rest of the continental army time to retreat. Congress had been debating whether to give him a commission since he arrived in America in late July. Is Leadership and daring at Brandy. Wine was enough to convince delegates that he was the man for the job. Polaski had been born in Warsaw in seventeen forty five. At the time Warsaw was capital of the Polish Lithuanian Commonwealth. It had a king who was elected by nobles. Coming from a noble family. Polaski was a member of the National League. He had served as a cavalry officer and grew in reputation. King Stanislaw the second Augustus. Allied himself with the Russians and sought to turn the country into a Russian protectorate. Stanislaw cutoff alliances with France and Austria leading to war. The war went bad for Poland and Russia Prussia and Austria partitioned country in seventeen, seventy two. A during the war that led to the partition, Polaski was part of a conspiracy to kidnap the king. This led to charges of attempted regicide, and made him a wanted man throughout Europe. Polaski had to flee his homeland I to Prussia than to the Ottoman Empire and that again to France. He attempted to join other armies, but the criminal charges against him met that no other king would offer him a commission. Facing debtor's prison, Polaski heard that American agents in Paris were looking for officers to go fight in America. He met with Benjamin Franklin and impressed him with his military experience and zeal for liberty. French officials strongly encouraged Franklin to give Polaski mission, and even offered to pay travel costs to America. France was eager to get him to leave the country before his presence there created an international incident. Polaski took Franklin's recommendation and boarded a ship for America in June seventeen, seventy seven. He arrived in Boston in late July, studying English during his voyage. After presenting his credentials to Congress in August, he wrote off to join the continental army without waiting for Congress to act. He served as an unofficial gentlemen volunteer to George Washington in the weeks leading up to brandy wine. But after the battle of brandy wine, following his feats of bravery, he was now commissioned as a brigadier general in the continental. Polaski was also given the title of Commander of the Horse. Also. On September fifteenth the same day that Congress granted a commission to Polaski. It also granted a commission as Major General to Baron. Johann to call. Remember that call had traveled with Lafayette and several other would be generals to America months earlier. But got caught up in the political dispute over having too many French generals. Congress had offered Lafayette a commission as Major General after Lafayette agreed to serve without pay. Congress left to call and others cooling their heels in Philadelphia. All Day decided what to do. In the weeks leading up to brandy wine, Congress had voted not to accept carbs offer of service. Delegates then took a few weeks to debate. How much to pay for his travel expenses and costs of returning home to France. In the meantime to call did a little sightseeing. Visiting the continental medical facilities in Bethlehem where he met with his wounded comrade, General Lafayette. Lafayette's performance at brandy wine raise the reputation, of French officers generally, and is credited at least in part with Congress's change of heart. Another factor was general Lafayette's strong support for Dakota receiving a commission. To call had been his superior and mentor in the French army, and that contributed to the change of Heart in Congress as well. So Congress voted to make the call a major general. When to call perceive the news of his appointment the following day, he said a letter back rejecting the offer. A couple of days after that though he had a change of heart and requested several conditions before he would accept his appointment. One of his conditions was that Congress backdate his commission to the same date as Lafayette's. That way to call would not suffer the dignity of ranking below his former subordinate. He also wanted the option to return to France if he determined his superiors disapproved of his service in the continental army. He wanted his aid to be commissioned as a lieutenant colonel, and that he received a pension and his wife receive a pension if he was killed in service. The result of all of these negotiations was that call did not join the army immediately, but remained in Bethlehem where he with the wounded General Lafayette. DEKALB and Congress would not agree on terms until well after the British occupied Philadelphia. As. Congress debated about officers. General Washington prepared for round two in the British army's advance toward Philadelphia. As I said the continentals had retreated across the Schuylkill River. And then crossed back again while the British remained in camp near Brandy wine. On September Fifteenth, General learned that the continentals had advance toward camp and were about ten miles north of his army. Washington seemed to be daring him to a fight. Another direct battle in open fields something the British thought that they would win every time. Further was forces had fallen to around ten thousand men after brand new wine, so at this point had a numerical advantage. In the early predawn hours of September, Sixteenth General, how assembled his army, and began to march to meet the Americans near White Horse Tavern a few miles to the north. About nine am. Washington received word from Polanski's cavalry that the British were on the march. Rather than take up an immediate defensive physician why she marched his army, three miles toward the advancing British. Around one PM, General. Cornwallis reported that his British regulars had encountered Polanski's cavalry and a few hundred militia. These men fled as the first shots were fired. Next General Knipe Hessian yonkers ran into continentals under General Anthony Wayne and William Maxwell. An American charge unnerved the Eggers, and almost led to the capture of Hessian colonel. Von Donna. British grenadiers provided support to the Eggers and stopped the American advance. The British formed a line of battle, and as General Matthews joined Knipe housing in preparation to attack the Americans. The continentals were forced onto muddy ground, which made the maneuverability of their cannons difficult, and was not a particularly advantageous defensive position. Washington ordered a withdrawal to higher ground, but it looked as though the British would be able to charge the American position before the Americans could withdraw. Justice things were looking bleak. The Sky Darkened and eight driving thunderstorm unleashed across the region. One Hessian officer said that the rain quote came down so hard that in a few moments we were drenched and sank in mud up to our cavs. The wet powder prevented either side from being able to fire their guns. The thick mud and driving rain made it impossible even to order a bayonet charge. With the loss of their powder and given the relatively weak defensive position. General Washington gave the order to withdraw as the worst nor'easter many had ever seen flooded everything. The continentals slogged. Through the mud and rain marching about five miles north before reaching cap around ten PM. there. The soldiers spent a miserable wet night in the field before marching back to the Schuylkill river the next day. The British marched north, attempting to get around the American. Right flank and pushed the continentals back against the flooded Schuylkill River. The two armies eight each other the next day, but neither seemed ready to re-engage. By the following day Friday September nineteenth the schuylkill water levels had fallen enough that the continentals could move across the fords and take up positions on the other side of the river. Thus! Thanks to the weather. What could have become a decisive major battle at white horse tavern was called on account of rain. Both sides suffered around one hundred casualties in the early fighting, but no full battle could play out. The event later became known as the battle of the clouds. The British just as the Americans tried to remove supplies stored at valley, forge and other areas around the region. With their powder destroyed by the rain, it was not clear if the Americans could even put up a defence at the Schuylkill river. Washington directed Lieutenant Colonel Hamilton as one of many officers instructed to remove or destroy supplies that might fall to the enemy. Hamilton was in the process of doing so when his small unit fell under enemy fire. The team fled back to a flat bottom boat on the Schuylkill River, exchanging fire with the enemy as they pulled across to the American side. The British army was poised across the Schuylkill river. Hamilton wrote to the President of Congress John Hancock that day. If. Congress has not yet left. They ought to do it immediately without fail for the enemy have the means of throwing a party this night into the city. With most of the Continental Army along the East Bank of the SCHUYLKILL. Washington left one contention of soldiers under General Anthony Wayne in the field on the West Bank to harass the enemy and delay their advance. Wayne's army camped at a small village called Paoli. Next week I'll take the story there at the Paoli massacre. Hey thanks for joining the American Revolution podcast after show. As always I WANNA. Thank Trae Nance and George Davis for supporting this podcast on patriotic at the Alexander. Hamilton Club level. Also thanks to Mike Hager who supports the PODCASTS at the Robert Morris Circle level. Everyone who can pitch in either with a regular monthly contribution on Patriots Fan or a one time donation via pay POW helps keep this podcast free for everyone else. Who cannot afford to do so. This week we looked at the aftermath of the battle of brandy wine. One of the largest battles of the war. Once again we see general how failing to capitalize on his victory by pushing forward aggressively against the retreating enemy. The Americans who had run away had to March back almost into house face before he would move out of camp again to fight them. For how this might have proven a good strategy. Washington and the continentals began what became known as the battle of the clouds, not on ground really of their choosing. It was not a good defensive location and could have been a more conclusive defeat than brandy wine if the British had captured large portions of the army there. Fortunately for the continentals, weather once again intervened and flooded out. The battlefield before signing could do much of anything. This general Washington and opportunity to reconsider his position and pull back across the Schuylkill River. Seemed determined to do everything he could to protect Philadelphia resulting in some risks that could have been devastating. If how in the British had been able to capitalize on these risk, we could have had a very different outcome of the war. Also this week I covered the commissions of generals to call and Polaski. Too Far and officers who would contribute greatly to the war effort? And sorry if this is a spoiler, but neither man survive the war. Both gave their lives on the battlefield in the service of their adopted 'cause. Also I should address one other point. Last year the news spread around a theory that pass key was secretly a woman, or perhaps a Hermaphrodite also known as an intersex person. This theory is based on his skeleton dug up decades after his death, which showed a skeletal structure more consistent with that of a female. Of course we also know that Polaski had facial hair and a receding hairline during his lifetime. We also know that he was baptized as a male. So the notion that he was a woman posing as a man seems pretty. Far Fetched. Is it possible that he was a Rafferty Intersex and had the features of both male and female. That is theory that was put forward by Smithsonian magazine and covered by many of the major media outlets. I'm not an expert on the identification of bodies so I'm not sure I should really weigh in here. I will say though that Polaski lived his life as a male, and by all measures during his lifetime was considered to be a male. So. Whatever bodily organs he may or may not have had do not alter who he was or the great service that he provided to this country. Polaski would become known as the father of the American cavalry. Will be one of only a handful of people who Congress has granted honorary American citizenship posthumously. My Book recommendation this week is one that covers the critical Philadelphia. Camping It is called the Philadelphia campaign seventeen, seventy, seven to seventeen, seventy eight Vice Stephen Arteta. A recommended a similarly named book a few weeks ago by Thomas Maguire. They both cover the same campaign and have very similar titles, and quite frankly I liked both books. Maguire covers the events in two volumes. If that's too much reading for you on this topic, tape covers an one more succinct volume. Tapes book begins with the British in New, York and the Americans in New Jersey in seventeen, seventy seven. It follows house voyage to Maryland, and his march up into Philadelphia, the occupation of that city, and the eventual British retreat back to New York which led to the battle of monmouth in seventeen, seventy eight. The author is a professor at Stephen. F. Austin State College in Texas. He's written a number of books about US history all different Ariz-. The Philadelphia campaign was published in two thousand three. Last year he wrote another book called Washington's Revolutionary War generals. Which is about how the continental army selected and developed its commanding officers. Another book which I unfortunately haven't had the opportunity to read yet, but has definitely piqued my interest. If you wanna read more about the Philadelphia campaign that I will be discussing over the next few weeks though you may WanNa get a copy of the Philadelphia campaign, Seventeen, seventy, seven to seventeen, seventy eight. My online recommendation this week is an article from the Journal of the American Revolution and give them a free plug here. If you're not already signed up for a free subscription, you definitely should. The Journal puts out lots of great articles every single week on both commonly known and obscure parts of the American Revolution. The article that I'm recommending today is. Aggressive minded gamblers, Washington, how and the days between battles September twelfth through sixteenth, seventeen, seventy, seven by Gary Echo Burger. The article covers just we covered in the episode today the days following the battle of brandy wine, and looks in detail at the various maneuvers by the continentals, while the British sat around and did relatively little. Mr Echo Burger has written a number of history books mostly about the civil war, but this article shows his interest in the revolutionary war as well. You can search for the article which is on the Journal's website. All Things Liberty Dot Com. Or as always I have a direct link to it on my website at www dot. AM REV PODCAST DOT com. Well that's all for this week. I hope you will join me again next week for another American Revolution podcast.

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Why, What, Which?

Monocle 24: The Stack

28:54 min | 1 year ago

Why, What, Which?

"This week on the stack our own editor in chief Tyler Tell US why location matters when it comes to media brands headquarters actors Stack Regular Chris Almond is here to tell us all what's in the latest issue of the magazine International and his new book about Germany any and we meet the editor of which the best selling consumer magazine does everything from protecting you from fraud to choosing the best boiler for your house else would show celebrates the watt wears in house of print why it's the stack of course uh from the housing loan this is the stack back thirty minutes of print industry analysts and I am feeling understood by share coming up on the show Harry Rose Editor of which and Christopher Almond from Zaid magazine using but we started the show with a look at where to locate the headquarters company especially if you're a media publication this week in the UK it was reported. Did the officers of the Lady magazine was moving from their chronic muting Kovin garden to a business park in borehamwood. Some of the staff resigned because of this this here's the thoughts of Monaco's editor in chief Tyler Brule Tyler always good chatting review the such an interesting story today the editor of The lady she quits because you know the headquarters headquarters are moving from central London to Business Park in borehamwood which have never been to say boring. Would what did you say AH listen I mean. Can you blame them and it's not just of course the editor in chief is going but also part of the creative team and the this is when you think of Covent Garden of course it's been through so many changes but the offices of the lady have been have been there forever and at a time when of course media brands they want to be doing doing lots of marketing and other channels having a physical presence is so important so I can see why this woman is bullied with her feet or this lady as the case may be. Would you have resigned as zoe that case a goodness. I listen if I was going to be put. I don't know how many kilometers it is outside of London and then if they bolted the word business park to it I would be out in the flash. I would also say that case could be made for a management buyout as well because it strikes me that maybe the owners don't understand the magazine Kazini Given the fact that you've had this wonderful address in the heart of London for well over a century and then you decide to trade down to a business businesses state somehow suggest that maybe you don't quite understand the dynamics of editorial brand and in some ways. It's bad cost-cutting right well. Of course I mean this is bad cost cutting in a variety of ways because you have this iconic building now. I'm not sure what the the arrangements are in the could have been a crazy crazy rent hike all kinds of things but I think there's also ways of mitigating these things as well so an seemed rather extreme to me that you would in make this grand move all the way outside of London as opposed to say okay. Can you find a spot in covent garden or somewhere else in in w one and this is the importance of brand and we've seen it time and again Fernando that so many of correspondence respected media titles have their you know their name on the front door that is is really in one way to the point of attraction. It's the reason why people want to come there and you are sitting at Majoria House right now. I'm undue force Rossa in Zurich and these are also the these of course are are very much. You're part of our brand. I mean people know that the ideas and the pages and the bulletin are coming from these places and then also as we know the other appointive attraction as well because people want to combine. Oh that's where that's where the magic of radio happens. That's where the pages pinned up on the wall well you could argue target. Maybe people are going to go around a series of roundabouts to get to a business park to go and see the lady but I it sounds as well as also being bundled in with a number of other titles and it becomes very nautilus and also tell her there's something to be said that you know especially magazines and newspapers they should be located where things are happening. I mean no offense to Barton would but I don't think things are happening there right. I I've never heard of it so unless you know you and I are missing something Fernando. No this is it you need lunches and you need people vote who wanted to come through your front door. Whether that's for an interview or they want to do business or they want to get a back issue even and I think that is the importance of you know. We always talk about you know within within the media landscape the importance of being present and this is a very good example of of really not being part of the frame anymore as much as I like the magazine on so many levels thanks thanks tyler. We'll be right back with Chris Almond talking about the latest edition of Zaid magazine International welcome back to the stack will head to Germany now to speak with our dear friend Kristof Almond editor of the celebrated Zaid magazine thankfully for those who don't read German. The magazine has a biannual English version Zaid magazine International and it's a new stance this this coming week Christopher told me what to look out for Christopher Almond. Welcome back to the show always a pleasure to have you on your such busy man out. I want to talk to you about your book a bit later in the interview. Tell me the latest issue of Zaid magazine International is about to come. Tell us tell us some of the highlights in this issue. Thanks Sir having me on the show again Fernando yeah we have a fantastic cover story about Iras epsile who photographed in New York and my a colleague Clermont wrote a beautiful profile about how she sees the world you know be ninety eight year old now and how she reflects on the world and the Times that we live in and we also have a great portfolio by a Munich based photographer Patrick Beinart who's been been traveling to in Georgia for many years and Patrick has been working for the magazine occasionally in the last couple of years but a couple of months ago well actually flurry and ilise. Who's also the publisher of my book at a halt dear colleague himself being very impressive journalist? An author told me that he just got sent this portfolio by Patrick from Tiblisi and I immediately thought well we have to go to DC Z. Because so many of the people that I'm in touch with in the last couple of years had been talking about what was happening in Georgia the the club culture there especially the bus Yanni the most famous club so I thought I would take the opportunity and got in touch with Patrick and then then we went to Tiblisi together for the story. That's amazing Chris I have I have a curiosity about international edition. Of course I believe there's magazines aimed. The you know the known German market which countries are the ones that actually you know that you feel that they are more connected to design magazine brand well when we launched the international issue now it's I think it's been six years that were doing it as a biannual after the first couple a couple of issues I I talked to the people in the publishing house of tight and I asked him. Can you tell me where do we actually sell the magazine and they said well. Will you know of course it's the bigger metropolitan cities in Europe. It's also of course the the big cities in Germany. We sell quite a substantial amount of copies in New York and then it kind of it's like all over the world we know selling issues in Singapore and in the rest of Asia and then they told me well the most successful city for the International Issues Amsterdam and that you had never thought about that but then I kind of have been going to Amsterdam for the international issue especially to other neon new sent home which is a wonderful we'll magazine in Bookstore in the harvest them and yeah there are a lot of readers of the international issue funnily enough we after this analysis analysis from from the people are Publishing House. They told me well. There's one city where we sell the most the most successful city for the International Ashley Issue of Time Magazine and asked him you know tell me and I thought like is it Hong Kong is it London is in Milano Perez and they said well. It's quite easy. It's Berlin oh how funny well because Baliles also attracts him. You know many many people from all over the world and they don't necessarily speak German as well right exactly and people by the internationally if they're interested in Berlin elsewhere so we integrated a very special Berlin city city guide with the news restaurants and bars and stores and cafes and like the secret hideaways in outside of Berlin for every issue and I and I'm very proud that bent the deputy editor of tight is writing and exclusive column about the State of Angela Merkel and you know he always tells me that in this column because he writes it in English and it's published in English he feels more freely to actually say what he really thinks about the state of mind that the German chancellor is at the moment which I always really it's one of the first things I always read when I when I get the copy of the pages and Christopher Finger to a great job you know in using you know designed brand and also brand Germany you know to the international audience do do you think perhaps other media brands in Germany should start doing the same or do you think they are also doing a job to be slightly more international opening up a new markets. What do you think about that? I mean I wish many brands would expand into the English speaking market. I mean I think that you so you have to find a substantial way financially substantial way to do it so I think our international issue as its biannual and it also promotes tight brand works quite well for us but yeah I think there is a need for different perspectives. I mean if you talk about Europe up today. In the State of Europe I think the more international perspectives we have from different media brands whether they're from Germany or from other countries I think I think it's vital to keep up. What's happening in Europe and also of Christopher besides of course the original site magazine you also have Zaid magazine man which published its latest issue recently? How's the magazine going because I loved it? I remember interviewing you for the launch issue. How how's this project going for for you guys? It's going so well. I think it's so far it's the most successful a spin off that relaunched as you mentioned. It's also a biannual I annual in the latest issue. The one that's on the newsstands right. Now is a cover story on on Willem Dafoe. The the fabulous actor who's been living in Rome actually for over fifteen years now we met him there and talked about his new life and say well still I some people sometimes recognize me out on the streets but sometimes they really they mixed me up with other people and I said well what kind of other people and he said well sometimes people are running after me shouting like MC MC I said well what they make make Yeah Mick Jagger and I've never thought about it but he there is there is some kind of similarities between Mick Jagger Willem Dafoe I can I can actually imagine that in a way I'm thinking here I never connected yeah. They have this kind of in rugby but also quite pretty face at the same time yeah and they're also dancers in a way and and Willem defoe is very very slim as well. I yeah he's He. He told me that he doesn't really feel like an actor. He feels like a dancer Kristof. Besides all those kind of amazing thing as I titles you just also recently published a book a begets Deutschland. I hope my German pronunciation was alright. Tell us in a few words was the book about as well when I had the idea for the book actually last year when we you know there was these the riots and the incidents that were happening with the right wing populists in Chemnitz in the east of Germany and I've written a book about the generation of of my grandfather's neck nearly twenty years ago who'd been soldiers in the Second World War or somehow involved in the in the Nazi regime and then later when they got older became became the people who kind of rebuild democracy in Germany so last year when everything was happening in the east of Germany and especially in Chemnitz. It's I thought I would love to talk to these men again but then I realized they're all dead now and then I came up with the idea of traveling through Germany again and and to talk to famous people people who are not known at all met like the designer detail you know who's who's been the designer of brown whose work has influenced apple. I mean apple calculator. All our iphones design of it is based on deter arms yeah yeah I traveled through Germany whenever I had time and met these young people old people and even at my own family I found out about refugee story of my own family see that I'd never heard of before which was very moving for me well. That's fascinating increase of sorry my usual question any plans for an English edition. Perhaps I'd love to I mean I mean it's. It's a book about Germany but I'd be very happy. If there's an international international publisher would like to publish it Yeah I. I mean it's when I talk with my father who's also in the book Dino. He's he's also traveling. He's in his mid seventy S he's traveling and when and when I said to him well you're going to be in the book and he said Oh well it'd be also published in Italian or and Spanish for all his friends and I said well don't put any pressure on me dad. I don't know I don't know but not very happy about the reception he in Germany Dallas Christopher Armand from Zaid magazine to mark this tax partnership with German station rebrand Loic Term Nine Zan hunted CBS's then we're inviting friends of Monocle to talk about the unrivaled beauty of Dunkin Mitt to hand the German concept of using one's hand and to write understand learn see and think today the third installment of our conversation with the author Alex Preston Who's written hole novels levels by hand and routinely works in pen and ink on paper last time Alex told us how he is taking the concept of Duncan Mitt to hand far beyond beyond his desk to almost every aspect of his life today he explains why this focus on the haptic sense has continued to change his perspectives. I was interested in your use of the word haptic that because of course that word now is understood as the SIMILAC Krim of tactile tactile engagement as represented by the way that we use mobile devices so happy ticks is does the the button click with with a kind of echo of some old fashioned device and that to me is I mean is both fascinating and tragic but the act of doing doing things with your hands is more than just saying I am going to deliberately in some kind of Luddite way. Ignore the the the faster and more efficient ways of doing this. What it says is I dignify this process with the extra time that it will take for me to do it and also dignify by doing this with my hands you know these are the one of the principal objects with which I engage with the world and just as a as an example of this and you know slightly absurd one yesterday morning I woke dawn to commit regicide in the my queen in the had stopped laying? I started off. I'm great follower of this guy called the bath beekeeper and I was a great believer in trying to do as much beekeeping as I could without gloves song because actually if you if you behave in the right way with these they will very very rarely sting you and I think there's something wonderful about actually using using your fingers rather than putting on these enormous suits but several stings many stings later and I realized that one of the reasons that they were stinging me was because I was not queen writers because they call it. My Queen was failing. I extracted her and in order to kill her. I pinched her head together with my finger and bear finger and thumb and it seemed like such a it was it was you know this was a queen who had served me well on this was the very least I could do was to make her end a haptic event. I think that we need to recognize that. The things we do with our hands Salot to our brains that we are still cave people that we eh for thaw nine tenths of the novel of humanity we lived in caves and hunted and did things with our hands and they are still the way that we understand the world Alex Preston and we'll conclude Alex's story written on paper of course next week. This stock is brought to you by Lloyd's I told nine hundred zero then the finest German notebooks with just that little dash of color and find the show to one of the best selling consumer titles which the magazine which investigates things didn't matter in our daily lives from the best boiler to buy to those airlines there were no rip you off has enjoyed a redesigned which editor Harry Rose told me all about the changes Harry Rose Editor of which magazine welcome to the studio here the stack and I have to say Harry I have here the the latest issue looks amazing but I've heard of which I mean if you read the newspapers here in UK you guys do you do so many surveys about from products to travel but it's fantastic that you guys have a magazine but but tell us a bit more I mean it send to all your kind of subscribers and as who it's not really on the newsstand so no we're not on these stands but we I guess we we're a big kind of under the radar success story in British publishing. I mean we've we've been going for sixty two years now. Since nineteen fifty seven and the magazine started as a real part of the consumer movement of the nineteen fifties who was looking to buy new products for the houses in the kind of boom after the the war and looking looking having no no way of kind of assessing what was good and what and what deserve the place in their home and a magazine in the states could consumer consumer reports which formed a kind of inspiration for which magazine we kind of went along for the next thirty or forty years very successfully reviewing products and publishing a magazine gene with the results and I suppose this redesign is a slight shift away from that tradition in the sense that actually nowadays when people want to read reviews and compare products whether it's washing machines. TV's kettles toasters whatever the first place they will go more often than not now is our website or our smartphone app where you can filtering compare and reviews and you know look at them in store and all the rest of it so the question we started asking ourselves as part of this redesign press what purpose purposes the magazine serve now in people's lives and we did a lot of focus groups. We talked to a lot of our subscribers and found increasingly. It's it's much more about exploration exploration inspiration in being informed reading things you less surly looking for you didn't see count. You didn't Google things you didn't know you needed no but they nevertheless surprise the light or impress you all or inform you about something important that you didn't know you were looking for so we we've kind of shifted to magazines slightly in that direction while of course retaining the heritage the history and what really makes which well known and what gets covered it in newspapers on a regular basis. It's great stories often get picked up in the nationals which is testament to the journalism that we're doing it which and the work that our guys doing across investigations and product testing work and and some of them if he's very a featuring perhaps one of the changes I mean even your covert story about fraud fraud. You're on your own. That's an amazing story and that that it's funny because I could kind of see this story even current affairs magazine away so I think some some people might be surprised that you can find that in which there might be some some some surprise from people who aren't currently subscribers who aren't familiar in actual fact we've been doing long. I'm Reid features. We've been doing investigations for a long time. I think what was slightly in need of a bit of attention was the design wasn't quite showing those off well enough so actually the cover story of the October issue. Is it a brilliant piece of deep purporting by Phillips and one of our investigative journalists. It's kind of the police failure in dealing with fraud and helping fraud victims which is which is a massive problem not with easy solutions but the huge problem and she's you know she's been around the country talking to people on the front line prominent police sources undercover sources and she's built this picture which we through our approach we will devote time we will devote resources to to investigating stories and we will bring a consumer focus under under kind of impartial perspective to fraud is slightly different one but in our our investigation investigative work we don't have advertisers yes we're entirely funded by our subscription model that intern funds testing that funds our campaigning work on behalf of consumers so we have a a a position of trust in our our readers lives so when it comes to an issue like fraud they want the which take on that on that issue so we've been doing in pieces like this for a long time. It's just that we've we've never quite shifted the magazine -ffiliated towards embracing those those kinds of approaches of course the product testing and reviews products which is great as part of what we do but ultimately to to keep subscribers reading every month breath when they're not always going to be in the market for new TV or washing machine is the challenge and through investigative work and features and some of our lifestyle pieces as you start to build a product magazine that does serve different purposes different times of the year whether whether you're in the market particular products will not talking about product testing. There's a great story hear about boilers. I have to say I didn't know much about the topic but now I know what our brands that I should watch out for. Do you get a lot of angry emails from the ones that it doesn't do very well when you're testings or they just realize that we're no good I mean it's absolutely always be an issue and I I I take it as a positive Tiv- thing I mean we we upset companies on a monthly basis and have done throughout our history. I'm sure it back in the back in the fifties and sixties when we started testing products that previously had had no kind of scrutiny on behalf of consumers. That's all I'm sure companies would live at the time and and a cool see when they don't do well in a survey or when their product schools Pooley in one of our lab tests which I should say you know having been to some of our labs the work that goes on there is incredibly rigorous and detailed and Thera and they apply international testing standards and and so on so so we always know because because rigor is so fundamental to what we've always done and we know we're on solid ground so without fail we will get angry threatening legal letters from companies who do badly in our coverage but we're able to dish out pretty robust responses and say actually this. You're not just dealing with maybe with a piece of of reporting that you can challenge Asia as you normally would this is this is backed up in a way that you won't encounter elsewhere so we we are able to be bold and we are able to give our readers the trees and that that matters enormously to them if we didn't do that if we put up punches if we worry too much about what companies would would say thank you know we wouldn't be doing our job right eight by our readers and and ultimately they pay our salaries. They Fund what we do. They funded campaigning work. They pay for the testing. It's you know that that's absolutely central and also I will. I was surprised here you don't have only which magazine but you also have special print editions on computing gardening money and travel are those you you know the release the how many copies of those a year yes we we're market leaders in a number of different magazine sexes. I guess so so which magazine flagship title as say been been going for for sixty two years now we've we've got around five hundred thirty thousand readers for witch which and our lifestyle title which Computing Income Ryan saying is actually the best read technology title in the UK which money which are used to edit before the trump on which is the best read personal finance magazine travel is personally. I have nothing to do with travel. I love it as a reader because because it's the only travel title that pays its own way. It doesn't accept any freebies. It doesn't accept any hospitality trips. It doesn't obviously as as law magazines don't accept any advertising so trusted and the Integra Save with doing not that there isn't brilliant stuff elsewhere but that we just we have that that bat standard which would I'll read as painful and what we can apply whether it's you know to such radically different things as cruises in one magazine Fertilizer Toys R. In our gardening magazine and then something like like scams or personal finance topic right through to the traditional stuff with products. It's the trust in the impartiality that kind kind of run through those things and you know if one of our listeners went to become a subscriber guests they can check your website yeah absolutely so most people will come to US online now because they're perhaps you've just moved house in you need to furnish your your your new house with products whitegoods so you WanNa be read which reviews news and at that point will offer you a bundle which will come with the flagship magazine. You can add a second magazine or a third magazine T- a bundle as I say you being good company with in which members well in excess of half a million these days and yet try as as you know. I'm sure most people sitting in this chair will say you know we've got trials. You can sign up for a pound you know you can you can counsel with trump period but the give us a try that was Harry rose from which magazine that's it for this week's show my thanks to our editors Nuoro and Max Bauer if you have any comments or queries feel free to write to me at FBI at Monaco dot comb. I remember we're back next Saturday at the same time and of course you can always listen to it again at Monaco dot com or on I tunes but before we go a little so for you and for Christopher Armand Mike Marine with Germany. You've

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What it Takes to Build a Business Abroad

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What it Takes to Build a Business Abroad

"Hello and welcome to the thriving podcast and episode fifty six where I enter lighted. Welcome Maxi Happel. Here has a really interesting story to share about her relocation mood to the UK and the business that she has created which spans continents and helps to provide rural community in new seats with a sustainable income. The festival lemme introduce myself. I'm Louise Walls next coach and also of thriving broad the tiff guy to professional Location success it's really great that you joined me today. Thrive podcast was created to help you create thriving professional puzzle and fabulous ruled by sharing great conversations with experts and relocation experts. You'll find the plate. Cost looks at your dot com. They can listen to the PODCAST and sign up to receive my regular 'cause newsletter announcing each interview other related podcasts news and providing you with access to the full show nights to each episode with helpful links. Cool each episode to. I hope you enjoy today's conversation. Hello and welcome to the timing will focus on news logical host cities conversations. I'm really excited to continue this conversation today. Maxi how I might see. It's really lovely to have you here today. And IT'S PRETTY EXCITING. Actually because you can't see as listening but Maxi's that she's sitting next me these zoom and people on the side of the world so it's quite novel Situation Really Nice to have you happy drink today so let me introduce you to Maxie. Might see was boom on Britain's South Africa youngest of two siblings. She grew up in a very rural part of the country. Where traits and play in the streets into low of DOC made up most of my childhood. She started to create an engineering but soon expanded into construction materials and then edith even further specializing in Dimond. Connie production and sales facilities being married to bill a cat carrier by buying cut men. The building was also Mikan to them. One such view lead to a total career. Change for maxine and she became a representative for a pharmaceutical company. I as diabetes fat and then in the field of HIV when her husband was offered a wonderful position in the secret more about that later. Maxi took some time off from working during this time. Lucky enough to spend her final years with her mom died from cancer and passed away maxine. I've enjoyed her and the weekly. Will we keep look an unpublished book in a Native Language Afrikaans? That's been repainted pinned printed many times a day. She's also Speaks WOMEN'S RETREAT. So Church batterings and mentoring is something that is very close to Ought to overview anything else to add to that excite. Well think we're good probably drew into some of that. Coq Ten as we talk this morning so just as a bit of background to why on speaking mexi. Mexico has recently moved to the UK from South Africa. And so we're going to talk about a decision to make at macy's and how that has gone and then also about her business and the link to Which is in the league that will come back to do too so festival. Maxine Euch recently moved from South Africa the U. K. What led you to make that move will. My husband wasn't banking his life. But in two thousand eight We discovered that he had very wage. Nashik Disease Very Long Name. Seniors Tugging lasker. But if you I went onto Google and Google p. e. you would find it and amend that slowly started to causing to lose his eyesight so in. Twenty fifteen while Lodge banking group industry to. He was declared legally blind so within months he had to retire at the ripe old age of fifty. Two and resettled in Jeffries by the surfing capital of Sabah. Misfits if you have heard about pulled Elizabeth's before think we played cricket may just Jerry Spice closed and then St Knighted old business customers piece. Adleman Catherine and visited us an over. A Cup of coffee had mentioned that he was still must do something with my husband to gain some while it was the perfect time for a new adventure for a week with a business plan to the rising compete. Happy not be driving the speech. At least I had all these years of experience in business savvy and Hamilton catching makes Out Proposal and on one may two thousand nine hundred in the UK US J. A. Great Okay so say moving to UK but also insisting on pay all establishing a new business said time six months in one guy. So how have you found that transition from living in UK to arriving in settling into life in UK? While I have to tell you that A few months ago. It was the rookie bold captain. That was really hard because England had been really good to ask budge. South Africa's supplies but I've all the transition was not bad hard as we quickly found a new routine and life just weighed on from the we are still getting used to the long dark winters have come to said. How'd you find selecting k? Decision or I will we? We all believe as and we see Ohio hand in things and I literally have to believe that was such a plan. Where the secrets? How do you decide? I mean you have lived in and you can feel cells. How do you decide? I mean you can't just throw up in the map at comport somewhere decide based on Sunday and we put some sold into with the new business Amex as regarding horses and we headed look at at the distribution of food is in the UK and businesses. And so ah focused auditing multi heat. I have no idea why but something to do with losses and eventually moved down over way to Newbury and now. In retrospect it was such a good decision on it. Such a central part of the WCHS COMMUNITY WITH RICE LOSSES BEING PRICING LAND BONE. And even all the other part is not being too far aways is really easy to get to other places are your. I should say they was a scientific method. Used to live in. You agree but I think anyone else to me to go in relation tools is probably be. I'm probably biased. Because I come from your salary and also just interested to know how you arrived. So you've combined relocating with establishing business in the UK Saito's About the business and how it came about and also white means so much to you. So the first hip companies Ernest had unaccustomed sought this business back into positive and they really care about the people of the city and community in which operates and every year we employ more than three and a half. Thousand Harvest is high Deteriorates really no other means of income and that big fees as the fruit of of all rose Bush that we use. It's gold rose three each at the big boy hand and just a quick story at remained on investigative trip to Chile because gross it in its natural form in these quantities grow in July adding Renton investigative trip to July at. I have this wonderful method of operating the way by and like steel prunes to the end of plastic buckets. So if you can imagine this by just write these pockets through the rose bushes collecting. Yes a lot of debris while collecting fruit inside the buckets. Probably because a lot quicker but then afterwards you have to do the sorting so the route. Some of these buckets back to the city and the harvest is use it for executive cheater down and win by depicting. By had that bondage there is just by looking at the free. Dyke can differentiate which fruit is ripe for the picking enriching. Ought this. There's not any debris nar lease or anything in an election in the harvest that they have to saw three in. We've very happy with that. These offices would not have any other means of income at behind the mountains. I tried the and poverty has really taken a toll on the country as a whole and they are subsistence farmers and before it came along a lot of the May leave their homes gun work and either in garment factories are in by the Chinese in big cities like Which is the main town in the city or the South Africa to try and find work on the minds. The riser companies are closing involved with Children's firm and as I said I champion. Poverty has has really played a big part in this country's history and made it a very needy country. So I'M GONNA. Catherine was always made a point of involving a most valued cards with A certain denier. If you could connection to the rising company that you will in effect be supporting Matzos Children's unreal side happy to say that there is a long standing relationship between the you can the suit and Prince Harry Solder to charity a few years ago. They that he's been very involved in at the often goes back for a visit base. Always being this actually started at West one of the princess and just in case she did not. The city is an independent kingdom right in the same South Africa. I'm king lately. The third is is the reigning king. But he's brought up Christie's has started this charity West. Prince Harry it so this is a close relationship between the UK has been for many years K and and say the love about what we're doing is that is a natural product toward but also it's by HUTCHES CIGNA product. You'll see pitching supporting community. That would struggle without. I also charity which is fantastic. So I guess one one of the joys of having a business is having a product you believe in you is to to work with into sal back but I'm wondering what's challenges you faced in establishing your business in the UK. Because I guess for anyone listening if you're if you're thinking of moving abroad and parts of meeting brought who means established business doesn't have necessarily been in the UK that will be hostesses and challenge. Say I actually wish I learned about you. What goes before we can. I think it in my life a lot easier for us and so we arrived in the UK with our Rainforest Alliance Ganic certification prototypes of the Preveza And rainforest lawyers if you're writing for salon certified. It means that they certify and recent for you every year that using ethical business practices and sustainable sourcing of your product and other things. Some you really proud of equine supplements elite equine that we would See the UK to introduce it. He actually for the fist time. Because it is the product that is not only organically certified that is by Rainforest Alliance but also not certified by beaten if the host sport horse industry. You know about the Team set for naturally occurring prohibited substances. So that means that when Ideo hoses in competition and is using our supplement it would not show up on any drug test and that is very important for anyone in the industry and how to take out a hefty sound to gates certified as the day requirements so opening a bank account for a company. That was a bit of a challenge on it sounds funny because look prices in the UK seems to work or it does work really out if a we have a bit of a complex structure as some of our directors. It less abroad and I know that he has but was a bit of a challenge for some of the High Street banks in one of the big did come through and but it took US nearly two months to get that set up said that was a bit of a challenge and then of course competition in our market segment. Equine supplements is is really Steph. We very soon realized that we had to differentiate ourselves We simply could not become just another top Michelle. We had to get out back story out the with every time that you buy everytime we support the company actually support a real person thousands of miles away. He may never see but he's law. If you might just as well change fantastic I I think had she. That's Putin lessons vary listening thinking about this. Is this somewhat last a few weeks ago there was a I did a podcastone developing location independent businesses? If you thinking about ATMs replied to you so you festivals typically determine misses something but I think everyone is challenged by psychologists who season doctors lawyers name. Whatever business your in new in charge and something to investigate Lee before? He moved bank accounts Alex favorites. So yes that's once again another challenge and certainly if you go into this across pool. I think that's as the challenge is definitely on the importance of having that story around. Your product did not just include Stories Sell Listen. The product for absolute. He'd been actually just meeting harvesters. So what I've done before we can Pets are into the studio and I invited some of the offices down from the mountains with a translator to kind of tell me but it'll be stories just what they lies. We're like before roses and the differences that might and is actually posted now and web pages. Well Sour it's interesting to there's real people behind this product this product. Yeah yeah nothing. That's that's one important message for anyone setting of a business. They have back story about. You'll you'll pray for total service as well and I will put links. You absorb beat. People said possible tell challenges into opportunities of you finding well. Let me tell you now. Look at these challenges have been overcome. It's easier to talk about Mika Things. It's probably a lot harder but he takes mindset of never giving up and just wasting assault would downtime that you can recover from. I I. It's something on my personal vice. Look this week Much about being all in whatever you do everyday way if at us to release you just for all in every day and every night you could get down on your and you feel comfortable as satisfied that you have given. You're not that you a success folks not lead to success role just that all in bed. That is something we really had to you. And the additional certification. We just had to Bob Indian no way. I would have made a dent in this industry if you didn't have that civilization so it's just something we had to do. An opening. The bank account seemed to be impossible but we just had to keep on knocking on doors at looking for alternatives as well we also looks at outside of the High Street banks in the ingredient that Based definitely other possibilities if you just knock on enough does and then. I'm your that the major players in our field. We have to take out unique product to market in a unique gracious finding that niche way off committing with the right people. Yeah premium rentals. Business takes that. Never give three interesting that you say that because I I'm reading a book by Michael. New Events covered the title but I will share night city. But it's a little about I'm creating the impossible. That's the type of book and everyday issue talks tough on this one charge. This week was d twenty things. Push you not massive things. But they're just things that you do you would normally think all emailed Ab Patino frightening. Just do them let. Let's say I what you do with the business. You just try new things do it take action and then you just let go because you can't influence feel that way we will happen. Said I think master really such valuable lesson message to go all in and give it your all thinking about any Really importance I have a business coach. I work with and she constantly Spanish and I think it's important. If you're thinking about business about a product service on your unique around that so other takes with vice you would give any someone who's considering starting a business meeting to new location? I guess you can leave that anymore. Case well research on KANT ICONS CYBER You really have to research. Not only your company but also you'll customers and I've been doing a few mosque by clauses in what area since being. Yeah and it's really about finding your ideal customer which they Maxima easier to find your niche. I think it's so interlinked and together decide beforehand and zoom in on your target market knowing that they might be very specific McLoughlin's and regulations if you can do that before and beforehand it just makes it so much easier. When you do land here are able have to be honest. We would not have burn until you try your base to prepay as best you can for when you arise but they also the things that you will only know when she gets you and I think we watch a Lotta House reconstruction progress on TV lately and one of the things that although there's always has to have a contingency fund I went to. You should have that contingency moisture of things will go wrong. They stood in things that you may not know until you arrive abroad. And that's just one of the things that you have to check on the chairman and work with it. Ask COMES YEAH YEAH. I think that's yes a recession quote for business just yet equally researching for leaving as well since the double thing to recite. And it's funny just sets writing your presentation yesterday talking about setting expectations and thinking about the times and my expectations have be I in this research. I could have done to help sacks probably regicide hindsight but who say you have to have expectations obsession? That you expectations went via jerk. You sit something that's been twenty years now. Budget stuck with me. Sometimes you just love what you. It's just one of those things that you have to deal with as it comes up. Yeah that's interesting in the lead said for me. That is the reason why we raise rates riding fooled because it is exactly that you take it will be still other things that you will find out just like but yes where he can be such an ask questions. I think. That's the thing tyranny thinking about questions and also think about the key areas of your life are reported by you need to ensure that you are you have the best information possible for point which are yeah so just go back to the business and thinking to the future. What's the future plan for this case? 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2.1 The Quakers

The Political History of the United States

28:23 min | 11 months ago

2.1 The Quakers

"Hello and welcome to the political history of the United added States episode two point one. The quakers welcome back to the political history. Three of the United States less than we focused our efforts on the colonial origin story. We examined the reasons why the English were seeking to form North American colonies. The first settlers were generally what kind of face they met this season. We are coming into a much different situation. The colonies are more stable. They're growing in life though still far from easy is far less treacherous than let's say Jamestown in sixteen o nine before we go any further. I want to take just a moment to welcome any new listeners listeners. Who are making this their first episode for those of you who fall into this camp? I want to advise you that this would be a good place to pause this episode and go back now. Of course. Yeah I would encourage you to listen to all thirty two episodes of season however if that just isn't what you're looking for at least checkout episodes one point thirty one and one point thirty two which are season in review during those episodes I give an overview of the things we have talked about and discussed the major themes that came up throughout the course source of the first season. It should help. Make sure that you're caught up with all the things that we will be discussing this season. I also want to mention before we move any further that I have made a couple of changes. Take the audio setup. Now the good news is that with sometime. I do think the audio start Saudi la better. The problem however is that I'm learning how to use all of this new equipment on the fly. Well I believe that over the next few episodes you will start to notice incremental improvements. Please be aware that there may be the occasional audio audio gaffe and I am working on it. If the first season of the show was about the con- he's been established and moving towards stability. This season is going to be starkly. Starkly different the period following the restoration of the Stuart Monarchy in the sixteen sixty s up until the glorious revolution is a period of great turmoil in English. North America America we are going to see. Colonial revolts against the corrupt government in Virginia. During bigots rebellion we are going to look at King Philip's war Massachusetts and the long term consequences of that war we will look at the increasing fears attempts to get control of Massachusetts as the colony becomes dangerously. Asleep independent this period of uprisings is going to lead to the question that is going to come up from time to time. What is the role of the North American colonies in the greater English Empire? This question is going to become a core concern for several generations and will ultimately be a question being asked based on the eve of the American revolution beyond the colony's experiencing serious and often violent growing pains the colonies are going to continue to grow and change during during the season. We are going to see new. Connie sprout up specifically in Carolina in Pennsylvania to the North New Netherland is going to get captured by the English this season. AH WE'LL BECOME NEW YORK. All of this is going on under the backdrop of increasing tension in the colonies as well as back home in England. We spent much of last season looking at the different groups that emerged in came to form the American colonies this week to start off the brand new season. We are going to do you. Something radical and look at a group of people who came over to the American colonies and became part of the fabric of colonial America. Okay so we are not not really going to be doing anything much different today than what we did. All of last season the new group that we are going to introduce today which you probably figured out from the episode title. Real are the quakers just as the puritans came to define life New England. The quakers are going to help define the story of the middle colonies and their experience so without further ado. Let's dive into the quakers. The first question that we must answer is what. The heck is a quaker following the end of the English English civil war. There was a set in proliferation of religious groups. Throughout England the sudden appearance of different religious groups was the result of William Laud being removed from power our and the puritans in parliament taking control of England drain the years of Charles. The first personal rule religious persecution in England was high well the puritans bore or the brunt of it largely due to their prominence inside of parliament there were other groups that existed on the fringe of society not wanting to come into the open due to the very a real risk of persecution. They largely remained small and quiet drain the years before the English civil wars following the civil wars however much of the immediate risk of persecution persecution diminished which allow these various groups to emerge from the shadows. This isn't necessarily to say that. They found themselves welcomed with open arms. The puritans now control the government however will they still found themselves generally disliked and not trusted by those empower persecution. At least I was less of a concern. Keep in mind though that we are talking about ingle improper right now and not the American colonies more on that later today day. Among these new religious leaders was a young man from lyster. Shire England named George Fox Board in Sixteen Twenty four bucks grew up up any world dominated by religious persecution political strife and eventually civil war Leicester Shire itself was a heavily puritan part of England during during this era something that undoubtedly affected young Fox. George Fox would have been a child throughout much of the persecution being carried out by laude and would have been a teenager and young adult during the civil wars with this new found freedom box felt free to pursue his own particular brand of protestantism his Originally known as the Religious Society of friends which would become better known as the quakers now there are several versions out there of Y. Hey this group ended up being called the quakers however the most repeated version I kept coming across. Is that the followers of the Religious Society of friends would often uncontrollably ably shake during their religious experiences and that the term quakers is referring to that regardless of the origins of the term the quakers were one of numerous new religious sects spreading throughout England. The quakers were in extreme version of the Protestants and in some key ways held much more in common with the periods or example. Both groups were desperately see name. More pure form of Christianity both wanted to do away with with the perceived decadence of the Catholic Church especially as they saw its influence in the Anglican Church. However before you go thinking that the quakers and the puritans make good bedfellows there is a very key difference that is going to all but ensured that the two groups would remain on very different sides of the fence the periods? If you recall believed that predetermination meant that God had selected those to be saved from birth. Nothing you could do on earth could change that outcome quakers on the any other hand believed that everybody could be saved as people all possess the inner light of God. quakers believed that the pathway to salvation was through an individual's Joel's own goodness and the communal prayer of the greater group. They did not therefore believe in the importance of any kind of formal priesthood Bazzi Churches or even the Bible after all who needs the Bible when they already possess the inner light of God now if the periods had been NCAA more pure version of the church this is like tenfold pass. That quakers viewed any kind of formal religious strictures as being not only a necessary but directly contrary to their own practices quakers with their belief in their own. Goodness being paramount refused to kill people even in self defense as that detracted directly from their goodness going a step further. They also refuse to pay taxes for the communal defense as they wanted nothing to to do with the death of another. Furthermore they wouldn't take an oath on a Bible as it made for the insinuation that when they were not swearing on the Bible that they were lying and just to make things so much easier for their eventual persecutors. They went around wearing all black so they were easy to identify. These beliefs were shocking to just about everybody outside of their congregation and made the quakers ripe targets for persecution. The puritans were always wanting a more simple apple church brief from the decades. They saw the roaming church however abandoning texts like the Bible. How much of the legal system in Massachusetts was based based on Biblical Law? And here's a group that is just going to bypass that altogether this is all very direct affront to everything that they were trying to do in new eland when winthrop wrote about a city on the hill. A deviation like the quakers were certainly not part of the equation now normally. This is where I would dive of into the reasons about why the quakers decided to come to colonial America. But I'm going to hold off on that for now. I want to continue to explore the early relationship between the quakers and the puritans because I think it tells us a whole lot more about the situation in the early years of New England plus the number of quakers is going to remain relatively relatively low initially down the road a bit when we come to William Penn anymore substantial immigration into Pennsylvania. We will discuss the reasons behind the immigration Lee initial settlement of quakers in the colonial United States was in Massachusetts. We are going to focus on this today and discussed the relationship between those early early quakers and the members of the Bay Colony Church. This relationship is going to prove to be a very good glimpse into the religious situation in New England and is ultimately going going to help lay the foundation for many of the struggles that we're going to see happen in New England over the next fifty years if you listened at all last season when you know that Massachusetts is not really known for its religious freedom and expression and that it is a trend. That is not going to improve any time soon soon. You things better illustrate the feelings of the puritans towards the quakers more than a situation occurring with the con- Mary dire very dire was born sometime in the early seventeenth century and married a wealthy man from London. Named William Dyer in sixteen thirty five a couple immigrated to Massachusetts. Mary was is no stranger to controversy and would become a subject of both scored and interest borrowing her giving birth to a stillborn child that has become known as Mary. Divers Monster John winthrop gives us this lovely description of the child which he apparently got from a midwife. It was a woman child. Stillborn warn about two months before the just time having had just a few hours before it came helping till she turned it it was of ordinary bigness. It had a face but no head. The ear stood upon the shoulders. And we're like an eighths. It had no forehead but over the eyes four horns hard and sharp two of them were above the one inch long. The other two shorter the ice dining out and the mouth. Also the nose hooked upward all over the beast and back full of Sharp Prix's scales like a thorn back the naval and all the belly with the distinction of the Sax were where the back should be in the back of the hips before where the belly should have been behind between the shoulders to mouths and in each of them. A piece of red fleshed it out. It had arms and legs as other children but instead of toes had on each foot three clause like a young foul with sharp talons. EXC from this description alone we can pretty easily gain the most important factor that we need to know right now. Clearly John winthrop had some kind of of a problem with Mary. Dyer and what was that problem. You ask dyer. And her husband had become close. Allies of Anne Hutchinson who by this point was becoming. I mean increasingly unpopular amongst the leadership of the bay colony. dyers miscarriage was portrayed. Not just as one of those unfortunate things that happens but rather as divine punishment for her radical religious views. You may be wondering about the time line at this point after all with what I avoid out at Hutchinson insight still in the bay colony. She is expelled from the colony in sixteen thirty seven and was killed five years before George Fox began his preaching. This means is that at the time of the stillbirth. Mary Dyer was not yet a quaker as an ardent supporter of Hutchinson the dyers were amongst those communists who left the colony colony with her following. Her expulsion the dyers would become important members of society in Rhode Island and would become increasingly involved in their politics politics. Even after the death of Hutchinson Mary and her husband travelled to England in sixteen fifty two where Mary would remain for a period following her husband's return well the information surrounding her conversion is limited. We know that it is sometime. During this period that Mary Dyer will become a quaker for a woman who herself was a follower of Ed Hutchinson. Waker ISM would have been an alluring thing. Unlike with other religions women were allowed far more of a voice as a quaker ask as compared with other religious practices. When Dyer returned to Boston in sixteen fifty seven? She was pretty new set of beliefs. She was immediately hit with harsh reactions. I despite the apparent victory over Hutchinson it isn't she has left the collective memory of the colony or that the fears of losing the period of Massachusetts still wasn't a very major concern as it is. We are twenty years past the Hutchinson trials and John winthrop was dead. By this point that ideology still reigns supreme. In the colony dyer had been close with Hutchinson and immediately would have been viewed Ask Threat to the order of the colony dire along with two others from England Marmaduke Stevenson and William Robinson were quickly arrested and banished from the colony already in response to the threat posed by the quakers that they call any quickly pass new laws regarding quaker ISM pass by the General Court. These new laws laid out that anybody belonging to the new cursed sect was to be banished from the colony under pain of death reasonably enough. Mary Dyer left off the colony and retreated to the relative toleration of Rhode Island in sixteen fifty nine however dire would return to Massachusetts following the arrest of William Robinson and Stevenson unsurprisingly. Found herself in the same position quickly enough and was herself arrested. After a few months of being held in terrible conditions the group was released and again banished from the colony dire would briefly leave the colony however William Robinson Marmaduke Stevenson refused the banishment remaining behind they continue to allow the bridge their beliefs to the considerable consternation of the big company officials dire herself would would return to Massachusetts a short time later Robinson. Stevenson Mary Dyer. And now William Lettera were arrested on October twenty six sixteen fifty nine Robinson and Stevenson were publicly hung for their beliefs per the please of her family and with considerable reluctance dangle saying a woman Mary Dyer was spared and once again banished from the colony and Mary. Dyer did return to Rhode Island for that winter. However as you all have probably bubbly guessed by now dyer was not going to remain in Rhode Island for long and would again return to the Massachusetts colony in the spring of sixteen sixty then governor of the colony John Endicott was running out of both options impatience? At this point in it got has been in our story for a really long time at this point. E E was here before the great migration and was one of the earliest leaders in Salem when it was the capital whether open into got were frequently opposed to each other's views however they did share some commonalities foremost both men absolutely bought in a Massachusetts being a city on the hill indicating winthrop had differing views when it came to the role of puritans into God himself with separatist however he operated with the same level of protectionism over the religious direction of Massachusetts as did winthrop neither of the two mid would have wanted anything coming along and challenging that accepted order and and the quakers were just that they were a huge challenge to the order of the day was still ultimately reluctant to execute Mary Dyer with with Stevenson and Robinson decision had been much easier. They were not well connected in the colony they were both mid and they were both relatively easy targets. The same same would hold true for Lettera. Who will meet his death alongside Mary? Dyer Endicott was facing a potential crisis and he had to act in regards to dire Massachusetts. Asas was a puritan colony and nobody was looking to see that change dire continue to pose a threat to the stability that they had built in. The last thing that they wanted did was for some heretical new cold wandering in and bringing the entire structure down they had gotten rid of Roger Williams and Anne Hutchinson years earlier for a Areso and now it wasn't going to be Merry Dyer who turn things on their head. At the same time dyer continued to just keep coming back into the Massachusetts it's colony and this a direct challenge to the authority of John. India caught despite numerous second chances. She just kept coming back. Ah despite the repeated attempts to simply banish her into cut was now facing a serious challenge not just to his authority but to the bedrock principles cancels that the colony was built upon when Dieter therefore returned in the spring of sixteen sixty and it got really was left with little choice unwilling to tolerate the the new group and having given multiple chances four dire to just leave into got was forced to act on June first sixteen sixty dire along with lead Federa- or Hung Mary. Dyer is the only woman to ever be executed in Massachusetts simply for being a quaker. These four have since become known as the Boston martyrs. The execution of the Boston martyrs is going to have a long range in effect. It is going to put Massachusetts at odds with England England. The effects of this incident are going to be long ranging and dramatic Massachusetts has always been a colony that was promoting a particular sense of independence pendants and this had always been concerning back in England however it never crossed that line into an actual problem that needed to be addressed. Quite I just did. However the events over the martyrdom of the quakers in Massachusetts was something that went over that line and brought royal attention down onto the colony in a way that they had not previously seen at the same time that the puritans were busy persecuting the quakers in Massachusetts back in England? We are at the very beginning of the restoration era. The restoration is where following the death of Oliver Cromwell. The decision is made the best person to rule. England is the exiled hillside of Charles. The first the aptly named Charles the second in sixteen sixty four in response to these events as well as needing to reestablish average Charles the seconds role in the colony a royal commission was sent a Massachusetts in order to get a handle on what was going on inside of that colony. Now now to be clear there were other concerns that the crown had about the affairs of the colonies especially when it came concerns over customs dues beyond that the crowned and was aware that Massachusetts was essentially marching to the beat of its own drummer and had been ever since that charter allowed the headquarters of Massachusetts to be setup inside of the colony as opposed to back in England. In fact the primary reason for the commission had been that when Charles the second was restored as king he replaced four demands upon the Citizens Charles however was certainly interested in getting some insight into the behavior of the colonists in Massachusetts as to do the colonies and not just Massachusetts but all the colonies Charles. The second was demanding for things. These things include in oath of allegiance is to Charles a promise to prosecute regicide in the colony in agreement that anybody using the book of common prayers received the sacrament or in other words a pledge edge to support any Anglicans inside the colony and Leslie in agreement to extend the vote all Freeman. As to that last condition there was some wiggle room in the wording specifically mentioned that the person must be Orthodox religion plus a requirement that they be a competent to states. This gives the colonists the ability to go in with an interpretation reputation that was probably more than with Charles. The second intended in practice. It meant that there was no serious threat to maintaining the status quo in terms appeared in his Yemeni Minnie. For Connecticut Rhode Island amplify the decision was easy enough and the three colonies accepted the terms in front of them. It is worth noting as well that indicate did use. I use this moment to curry favor with the king and ultimately got their charter not only made official but was also able to have the new haven colony included under the Connecticut Ticket Charter Massachusetts however had other plans. Well the execution of the Boston martyrs did play into the dispatch of the commissioners the bigger concern turn four Charles admittedly was getting the colonies to accept the restoration and get back on board and quickly Charles. The second even goes Jose step further telling those commissioners that they were allowed to bend on these things just get Massachusetts back on board so why the hurry well by this point there is real concern over a war with Holland and the proximity of New England to the Dutch New Netherlands meant that Massachusetts really needed to get with the program program right now needing to get Massachusetts to play ball here Charles. The second tried basically everything he could eat offered to reconfirm their charter to which the colonial government said that was unnecessary as their charter. Already had sufficient authority. The commissioners despite their efforts proved unsuccessful in their endeavors whatever's rather than accepting the commissioners offers a Massachusetts General Court actually petitioned the king to recall the commissioners in the follow sixteen sixty four. You're not long. After their arrival playing their cards correctly. LAKOTA answer back that such restrictions on the religion might make them look to relocating their colony elsewhere and ditching the English altogether. And Hey you know who would make a good ally. That's right the Dutch the same same Dutch you Charles. The second was actively getting worried about going to war with now. Ultimately the PURITANS did make minor changes to their franchise law to be fair the changes to the franchise lot were basically just a sham. The beard is did so in such a way that it just extended the vote two-three additional. Oh people so yes. This is not exactly major enfranchisement of the colony the church still reigns supreme. Unfortunately for Charles the second and more specifically his his commissioners a war with the Dutch was looming and this was about as good as he was going to get. The crown needed some kind of assurance that Massachusetts wasn't going to jump ship to the Dutch and this was as close to that as they were going to get. The colony is going to survive the events of sixteen sixty four with with minimal damage. Done at least on the surface however the long term effects for the Connie were catastrophic and will be the subject for many many of the episodes this season as you can see the persecution of the bow some martyrs was not the only concern for the English even without the persecution. There there is a good chance that the royal commissioners would have been sent over from London anyway however with concerns over the actions of the puritans still high AMANITA. Charles Charles the second to get an agreement in place sending the commissioners over made sense. Not only could they get the necessary agreement with the Massachusetts colony but getting some is on the ground and trying to rein in the excesses of the Communist was desirable as well what begins in sixteen sixty four is going to end up up being a fight that would last for the next twenty five years as the crown would fix their gaze on the increasingly worrisome independence being exercised in Massachusetts well sixteen sixty four itself was relatively uneventful and anticlimactic. It got the snowball rolling that is going to morph into a full avalanche in the coming coming decades as we are going to see throughout the season the next twenty five years are going to be a continual struggle for the king to reign in the Massachusetts Bay Colony. The and successes much of that struggle really gets kicked off here in the shadow of the commissioners and the execution of the quakers in Boston. Aside from uh-huh formal investigations in Royal Commissioners. The immediate effect in Boston is going to simply serve as yet. Another example of the seat of religious intolerance prince inside that community Massachusetts was going to remain a puritan colony for the foreseeable future. The idea of letting in outside groups groups was completely out of the question. At this point quaker ISM is therefore going to remain something that is relatively minor for those first early years. There was tolerance in Rhode Rhode Island but outside of that being quicker was a very dangerous undertaking. It is worth noting. The quakers were not going to be quick to forget the events that took place in Massachusetts during the Sixteen Sixty S. We're going to see later. The season how the quakers respond to the formation of the dominion of New England in light that it would serve to destroy Stroz Puritan powerbase inside of Massachusetts. This is however east story for another day. The quakers are going to see their population remained fairly minimal for the next few decades in North America. It is not going to be until the sixteen eighty s when the population of the quakers is Gwen to rapidly expand throughout the North American colonies. That is going to be directly connected with the founding of Pennsylvania and the coming of William Penn this is to of course going to be a major discussion discussion point however since we are going to be devoting several episodes to this. I'm going to hold off on going. Any further audit for right now. Suffice it to say though William William Penn is going to play a big role in our season so we are going to be coming back and spending a good chunk of time with him. Next time I am going to remedy a mistake that I admittedly made during the first season specifically we are going to turn the clock all the way back to sixteen thirty two and address the founding of the Maryland Colony. So until next time I hope you all have a great two weeks and I will see you back here then to discuss the founding of Maryland

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