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"From Springfield this is State Week. A program of analysis and commentary on the events that made news this past week in Illinois state government and politics at a speaker how spill three twenty two is a bill that was passed in two thousand fifteen who had Ban red light cameras for nine units of government with. We all know what happened to my bill now In two thousand fifteen we have a senator who is obviously under federal indictment now and we also have a corrupt Program rather cameras at a single reason. I got involved in politics. One up in nine neighborhood and this has not done anything for safety yet. It's been a simple money grab for the Saudi and many missile palate is just like that. These red light cameras have been a crooks in the black and Brown communities for years a lot of individuals have lost. Their cars like cameras have not helped anyone in the communities. We have a lot of work to do on reform and ethics and how we conduct ourselves in this building over the next six weeks and this is not the right start to do it. Our young people need and as representative Willis said they want age and developmentally appropriate comprehensive and inclusive personal health and safety education and they need this education at the earliest grades and a clear young person in southern Illinois. I learned nothing at all about people like me. About diverse sexualities gender expression gender identity annoy lawmakers trying to tackle red light cameras in the wake of a corruption investigation and sex education in schools. That's back on the legislative agenda as well. We'll talk about that and more coming up on State Week. I'm Shawn Crawford with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the University of Illinois. Springfield is Charlie Wheeler is an emeritus professor and former director of the public affairs reporting program at us. He's also a longtime statehouse reporter and observer with us from the State House is our State House editor Brian mackey. And on the line with us today is Hannah. Meisel of the daily line and hand. It's good to have you back on state week. Thanks for having me and I will start with you. Brian on this Red Light Camera Discussion. Let's go there first It's been in the news a lot in the last several weeks and months It's not always been a popular topic. Among many people. Many people think that red light cameras. are a bit onerous on motorists to begin with and now we have some corruption that has shown up or regarding this industry as well water lawmakers trying to do this. There are a number of different efforts on red light cameras ranging from well let's just work around the edges and clean up some of the bad things that have happened but but still keep them largely as they are all the way to. Let's just ban them? This is a failed experiment. We thought it was GONNA be about safety but it's really a cash. Grab this bill that passed out of the House. This week is somewhere in between Sponsored by Representative David McSweeney who is a Republican from Barrington hills? And it's a partial ban. It only applies to about half of the municipalities that can have red light cameras and Illinois. And they're not the big ones so Illinois has this thing called home rule which is basically gives a a local government more power to to set its own laws particularly around taxes but in an all kinds of different areas Its own ordinances. I should say. And it's any city with a population of greater than twenty five thousand. I think the threshold is or it could be smaller towns if they opt in so this certainly includes Chicago Naperville big cities like that but there are a number of smaller suburbs where the voters have given you know have voted to have home rule power there and so what this row red light camera band limited one that passed the house it would apply to non home rule municipalities in Illinois. What is particularly notable about this? Bill is that it's one that has come up in these. As you mentioned Sean. These recent Federal Corruption Investigations And it's apparently the one that that states senator or former state Senator Martin Sandoval Killed because he was as he has pleaded guilty to he was on the payroll of a red light camera company brand but not everybody in in all of Illinois who knows what these red light cameras are there certainly more prevalence in the upstate. Area Chicago in that region Just give us a quick explanation of what they do. Yes so this is a IT'S A. It's kind of a camera with a computer device that sits up there next to on on a red light and as a car comes into an intersection if the light's yellow and then that moment it turns red. It kinda takes a snapshot of the Intersection. And if one's vehicle is anywhere even over the white line you may not you know the. I think this was pitched originally as well. This is going to be for people who kind of bolt through the red light ignoring it. Because they think they're more important than everyone else but what it's done is in snared people who are maybe making a right turn on red and they don't come to that full complete stop fully behind the white line with Like most of US learned driver's Ed. Instead you know the reality of driving is if you're in the middle of nowhere or it's the middle of the night and no one's around maybe a kind of come to a two mile an hour role as you kind of look around but the camera does not forgive and the camera what it does is. It takes a picture of your vehicle. It gets your license plate. It gets your face. Apparently human beings somewhere review this footage. But there's not a lot of forgiveness built into the system and then a ticket is mailed out these can be very expensive tickets and some lawmakers were saying you know people have lost their cars. They've lost the right to drive over these red light camera tickets. Dan Hannah these are I mentioned. We mentioned the corruption ingle. That's happened here more recently. These have been controversial from really from the start right when Red Light cameras were first legalized in two thousand and three Chicago was the first municipality to get them and then they were legalized for the rest of the state. A few years later I believe like two thousand seven but you know pretty much right away. There were issues with the cameras like Brian mentioned you're not necessarily catching people who are flagrantly. Driving through red lights really trapping people were just doing normal driving like I actually have a red light camera outstanding right now and I tried to appeal it and they came back with a big fat. Denial and I've had an easier time getting out of Some parking tickets trying to appeal them anyway. but investigations by the Chicago Tribune Revealed a massive kickback scheme for the Chicago. Red Light Camera Program. There was this Australian company called Red Flex and you know. Several people went to prison. Actually after several long years of investigations and federal indictments coming down on these people and so there are undoubtedly unpopular however suburbs have the city of Chicago and suburbs have come to rely on them for revenues. And even though the argument is always Oh. Well it's about safety. You know really the. It's because so much of some of these very small suburbs state budgets have come to rely on this revenue and so in early. January Controller Suzano Mendoza. She announced that her office would no longer be acting as a debt collector for those suburbs of the city of Chicago does not actually rely on the controller. But you the contractor had for years been basically acting as a debt collection agency For people who were delinquent on paying their red light cameras and she said this was something that her off could do to kind of curb the the programs. Obviously it's not a total ban. But she says she's doing her part and total ban bills like Ryan said unlike this McSweeney bill they are coming down the pipeline and so I think momentum is building but these red light camera companies are pretty powerful and you know especially the pressure from suburban mayors. I think that's going to play a big role in whether or not we actually do see Aban this year. I think it's also worth noting here that you do hear that. Public Safety argument however As the screws have been put to potentially these municipalities. They are being a little more open about the idea that this is a money issue for them as well and it's interesting Represented McSweeney pointed out in debate. I think it was a tribune story from a number of years ago. Now where they had worked with a professor at Texas A and M. and found Some twenty two percent of my head Increase in rear end collisions. And I can tell you from personal experience when you're coming up on these intersections there well labeled there's a big sign and you can see the camera sitting up there and it does make you. Try to be hyper vigilant. But apparently people are slamming on the brakes to avoid you know crossing that white line and getting the ticket and therefore creating an increase in rear end collisions at these intersections. Now Charlie We heard the Susana Mendoza mentioned there. She's a Democrat. David McSweeney Republican bipartisan. Effort may be against these To some extent and that's not surprising. This is this is the type of thing. Lawmakers love to get on because the fact that they aren't popular among the public. And anything you can you can do to show that You're you're doing something on the public's behalf at least you know that's the point. They're trying to make here is going to be a popular one. Yeah as I recall it. I think the vote in the house was eighty four. I four no now. There were a couple of dozen people eat voted. President didn't vote at all. But the fact that the only four no votes Shows how politically popular this is. Now if I'm not mistaken it doesn't the. The red light cameras aren't approved for statewide use. We own have any insane men coney for example just the suburbs metropolitan area. Yeah but colossal and Metro Police the the two Illinois counties across the river from Saint Louis and they were originally sold his hands set as a safety measure. This is to Catch people who run through yellow lights in here in Springfield as you approach. A intersection and delight is changing. If you just stop and wait because you know somebody who's just getting a red light is going to go through on. I confess I've done that too. It's part of the culture of driving in Springfield. But in many instances and as matter of fact I believe one of the allegations against senator former senator sandoval was that he pressured people at the Department of Transportation to okay putting these red light cameras. Were there was not the documentary evidence of traffic safety as being important in that particular intersection hand. I let me go back to one argument that I have heard made In support of these in the past. And that is that the free up officers for other work that Maybe there's limited resources on the police department and again always have somebody sitting at every intersection. Just making sure people follow the law so that there is that in some ways that they help In public safety in an overall way. Well I mean a lot of things. A lot of technology. A lot of automation They CLAIM TO FREE UP HUMAN CAPITAL. And of course paying someone to be an active police officer and of course later on paying their pension that is extremely expensive. But you know if you're GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA say over we'RE GONNA improve public safety by doing this automation thing. I would hope that someone is on the other and actually reviewing the footage and calling balls and strikes in a fair way you know because again like a a lot of people are just ensnared in in the regular course of driving like normal people like i. People always stopped right at the white line. I think maybe my dad would disagree. But you know things just happen. Things come out of nowhere. Sometimes the lights. The timing of the yellow light is off. I think the Tribune also had an investigation about that several years back but shortening the yellow lights. Yeah exactly yeah now at this point I think is you can look at. I think there's a sort of almost a broader philosophical issue here and I'm reminded of that episode of Seinfeld George Costanza driving and there were birds in the road and they're supposed to get out of the way right. We have a deal with the birds. When you're up they fly out of the way that's the deal and they didn't and he ended up hitting a bunch of these birds and I kind of feel that is why we don't have a big brother traffic system with smartphones. We have with GPS technology. The I pass toll collection. It could be that if you get from one toll booth to the next Or Toll Sensor. They don't really have as many booths anymore. But you know you could automatically get a ticket because you're not supposed to go from one hundred fifty nights straight one to the sixty third street one in X. amount of minutes and it could be that we could have these automated devices just issuing tickets left and right everywhere but that's not the deal we have in our society. There's IT's expected that most people will behave safely most of the time. If someone's doing something crazy or agree GIS like that. Spate of hundred mile an hour plus tickets. We heard that the state police was issuing think we talked about that a few months ago. Fine that you know. That's something that should be addressed. And that is worth investing the human capital of an actual state trooper police officer going out there to enforce that but. I think that you know there's a reason we don't have a sort of totalitarian Surveillance State that monitors every every moment of driving compliance with the law. Just because as we were all saying I think that you know you have to allow just have a little more allowances for the ebb and flow of of everyday travel. And it's just not the society. I think any people wanna live in but when we all have autonomous vehicles we won't have to worry about it l. Let me move on. We did mention corruption involved with red light cameras. And there's a broader look at ethics in state government right. Now Hannah. There's a commission that's been formed has a lot of People who have been around government along time were involved with this commission. They've met met again this week. Anything going on with that at this point as far as Do we know of we're going to see legislation or are they singling out any type of area that they want to try to improve on? Yeah we've seen I think it's been five meetings of this drank commission on ethics and lobbying reform. They face a march thirty first deadline to present a report to the governor on And legislators on suggested changes to state law to kind of root out corruption and tighten up other areas of ethics law. The latest meeting this week was mercifully of lot shorter than the other. Almost five our meetings we've seen It was about like Ken to people. Hold the elective office at the same time I think Especially those of us who are not super familiar with like some of the tiny southwest suburban towns like when the FBI raided. Cook County Commissioner. Just to Boesky town in September. Everyone kind of learned that. Oh not only. Is He commissioner to Cook County? He's also the mayor of this tiny little town called summit similarly state Senator Steve Landeck. He's the mayor of Bridgeview and then we also have a Newish STATE REPS. That was sworn in last summer. A Republican from Rosemont Red Stevens who has been mayor of Rosemont for about the last decade or so In his father had been be original mayor of Rosemont Donald Stevens Donald Stevens Convention Center Rosemont For fifty years and so they're basically the commission heard like is it is inherently wrong. Is it inherently bad and seems like the Constitution and most of Illinois Statute has a pretty lousy fair approach? You know as long as those two offices don't conflict than it's fine but of course it's a what does conflict mean are their contracts to be had are there. Any number of things can come up in so no one's really watching this. There was a question to a representative from the attorney. General's office like. Are you guys being proactive. And the answer was will hay with eight thousand units of Local Government Illinois by far the most of any state in the nation. We can't really be watching all the time you know there's just it's impossible and so this was the latest hearing there's been One touching on other areas of government ethics laws and. I guess we'll just see there's another month until that report is due and then I guess Legislation will have to come out of it. Let me move on as well because there are some other legislation that we've been following this week and I call it sex education at the start of the show Brian but Been giving it some different names and there are a couple of at least. I don't WanNA call him competing bills out there but There's some different legislation that would Try to accomplish similar things. Yeah and they they refer to it as health education but I think that you know the emphasis is on what I think those of us who grew up a decade or so plus ago would call sex education and what is different about. What at least one of the big proposals. That got a lot of attention this week. Because of a news conference in the capital It's called the rejected won't get into the acronym but basically it would mandate comprehensive age appropriate sex or health education in public schools for Grades K through twelve and a couple of things are interesting about that one it. The idea is making it. Mandatory currently there's language in statute that says schools may have this. This would change it to schools shall have it and the idea of making it in all grades is something different and and again the they do. Emphasize there's age appropriateness so for kids in kindergarten through grade to it would be looking at things like personal safety. Identifying trusted adults that children can go to and and and respecting each other. It as you get a little bit older grades three through five. There's more talk about healthy relationships and bullying and harassment even getting into puberty body image sexual orientation gender identity gender expression things like that and then in the as children really grow into young adults grades six through twelve. There's more talk about things like consent and harassment abuse violence as well as Contraception and medication and Sexually Transmitted Infections and how to prevent them so it would be comprehensive. There is another version of this legislation out there that would be all ages but would not have that mandatory component to it and I should add that parents at least under the first one would still have the right to opt their children out of this education if they did not want them to participate. Charlie anytime you use the word mandatory even if he does have that opt out provisions. It's always going to be controversial. Yeah and I think that was one of the arguments raised by representatives of School districts who said you know? We don't disagree with the idea. We think this is very good and children should be educated in these serious INA inappropriate way from the time they start school. But WHO'S GONNA pay for it is another unfunded mandate in the school district's have Lord? I don't know they. They have probably hundreds of them out there. They have to teach this. Teach that do this do that. And state lasers on them and then the state says. Yeah but we'RE NOT GONNA pay for you figure out how to pay for you. GotTa do it. But we're not going to help you financially on it and Brian I would imagine. A lot of schools do similar types of Curriculum right now but it may not be laid out the way that this bill Requires it and it again? It does not have that A requirement that all the schools offer something. Yeah in some schools may but but there we certainly heard about some that. Don't and I think one of the voices we used at the top of the show was a high school senior named trae. Graham who identified as Queer in the news conference this week and said that they did not get any of this sort of education about their sexual identity and healthy relationships and that sort of thing so there may be schools that are doing parts of this but the aim here is to make it standardized comprehensive across the state but school districts would be able to tailor their own curriculum correct. Yeah I don't have the language of the bill in front of me. I think there would be some of that. But there is a lot There are a number of things that are sort of like this shelby. It will include in touch on these various things. So I think the idea is that you know if if for example hypothetically if there's more you know conservative area the state where these issues are not discussed as much in public discourse. I think that you know the aim is to make sure that education and Instruction is getting even into those places where you know people in the community. Might raise eyebrows about it. We've been watching the presidential race. Hearing a lot about prescription drug prices there is a renewed effort at the Capitol to try to tackle these prices as well of medications and Hannah Some lawmakers I believe they may have held a news conference on that this week right state rep from Chicago and our local state senator from Springfield. Andy Manar around Springfield say. They teamed up last year to Do a bill that basically capped insulin crisis and their team again to try to create a state a new state board that would basically say to drum companies. Hey this is the Max the upper limit that Illinois will pay for you know x drug and go through a list of drugs that People depend on and you know they say it's not like mandatory that the drug companies would charge less than that but you know there's a certain element of the the power of shame saying okay we are. We're saying that Illinois are not GonNa pay more than this this this drug company does indeed charge Illinois ins that much than public pressure and then also part of their bill would be creating some sort of commission that would study the issue like we see you know all the time. We're GONNA have a blue ribbon panel to study the issue but this is really a big deal and I heard about a couple of other bills. Coming on the pipeline. That would try to reign. In the cost of prescription. Drugs will already tried to do similar things last year. But you know we were already doing a whole lot in springfield and but this is a perennial issue. It especially as the debate over Healthcare in general redesigned in the president at the Democratic presidential race. This is just a hot topic because it really really does affect people's lives and really only about a minute here left handed but I remember in the past. There was discussions about drug buying clubs. Where maybe the state would negotiate drug prices? All of that type of thing. We're not they're not talking about getting into things like that at this point. I've heard of an importation. Bill that would basically legalize formalize away that the state could buy drugs from other countries like Canada. But there are safety concerns with that and even some of the groups that you would think might be onboard without bill. are really not because got safety concerns. Let's go to our notes from the Field Shirley. Let's start with you. The Attorney Registration Disciplinary Commission is moving to Disbar Rod Blagojevich. Now you might think we'll heck didn't he loses law license when he was convicted No because the way it works is his law. License was suspended until all his appeals. Run OUT IN. His appeals ran out and the commission which oversees the disciplinary actions involving the legal profession. is now moving to disbar him and it's likely that occur. Only takes several months after they have. They had a hearing this week. And after the hearing takes several months ago to make the decision but not to worry because Blazevic is now offering videotaped messages for sale through a website. And if you WANNA pay fifty bucks seventy five bucks one hundred bucks. You could get to Lucia happy birthday to one of your best friends or maybe one of your worst enemies. If you're looking for gift idea and Hannah it's kind of legacy thing now. But of course. A political organizations especially in Chicago Thrive on Legacy so the Thirteenth Ward Organization. Which of course is House Speaker Bank Madigan's longtime word organization. Put out a palm card which is kind of like pizza campaign literature that you handout near polls saying like these are our preferred candidates It left off. Cook County State's attorney Kim Fox and also Metropolitan Water Reclamation district commissioner Kim dupleix who was also former state rep and so the Palm Puerto Essentially left off. Two of the three black candidates Black female candidates that the Cook County Democratic Party had slated and so people were left kind of scratching their heads. Unfortunately people were eager to talk to me about this earlier in the week and then they clammed up yesterday which I thought was very interesting and Brian as there has been more attention to getting a diverse range of people serving in office the Illinois Senate took a step this week to codifying. The idea that campaign funds can be used for childcare. As long as it's well someone who's doing governmental or political work spokesman for the State Board of elections says when it's been asked about this in the past it said it's okay to use campaign money in this way. This would just make sure that that is put into law. And that's our time for this edition of State. Week our panel included Charlie Wheeler Brian mackey. And Hannah Meisel of the daily line. Get A podcast of our show at NPR Illinois dot org or through the NPR one APP production assistance for the program was provided by Bob Meyer. I'm Shawn Crawford. You've been listening to state week. A program of and analysis of events in Illinois state politics and government state week is produced in the state capital by public radio station. Npr Illinois this is ideal public radio.

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Hour 1: Celtics' Big Win

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Hour 1: Celtics' Big Win

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Let's have an and I take fan makes you chicks weekdays ten AM eastern to noon on ESPN ahead on today's show Boston blows out Golden State, but was more of a good Celtics or just bad warriors. Also, we'll some negative comments impact Cuyler Murray's draft stock. Plus, what does I n Williamson need to prove as March madness nears and will the brunt ever be considered a Laker legend. Let's get started. What's going on? Everybody will give into for shake on this Wednesday Wednesday for some of us Mexican Molly Kerim NYC's Stephen may is in LA all week. We don't follow him on a good morning. Good morning. How y'all doing morning? I'm good to do this ready to go. All right, Boston, fellas. Back with a vengeance. Dominating the warriors by thirty three points. Gordon Hayward finally looking like himself again, dropping thirty. This was the worst home loss at oracle in these Steve Kerr era. Was this good Celtics or just bad warriors? Well, I think it was bad warriors. I mean, I'm not I'll leave it to max to give Boston all the credit in the world. And I can understand that. But this was clearly bad warriors number one. Klay Thompson in play. Okay. So this is not truly the warriors without him whenever him or Steph curry any portion of the splash brothers is out of the lineup. It's certainly not the same team. But on their worst day. They haven't been this bad. They got bum rushed and beat down by the Boston Celtics Gordon Hayward whose only scored I mean he scored over twenty about four times this entire season dropped thirty on them last night shooting twelve of sixteen from the field. You don't anticipate that happening? Kevin Durant only has eighteen point. That's almost blasphemous Macron out loud. That's not something that we expect to see from him. And then of course, there is the issue of boogie cousins. Let me be very very clear. Boogie cousins, I offered him in the policy months ago because my. Oh, goodness. I did not expect him to come back. So soon from the achilles injury and play the way that he played offense. The I expected them back around now as opposed to January eighteenth. But offensively he's come back and has made a contribution. He is a flagrant liability defensively. I mean, you have Brad Stevens. Call plays against him half the night for crying out loud. Wherever he was beaten attack mode action place called in his in his direction all night long with speaks to the level of frustration that he ultimately displayed in doing what he did getting into it. With bay would base. The bottom line is he's a defensive liability. There's no way to cut it. You look at him perform with him on the court. There are minus without him. But the four other guys on the court they're like a plus twelve or thirteen or something like that. This is the Golden State Warriors that we're talking about. So when I looked at them last night against Boston. And the thought gee that they put on display s Steve Kerr. Accurately pointed out they seem to be in cruise control. They didn't seem to prioritize anything they seem ill-equipped as if they took Boston for granted. Like Boston is struggling with the reigning defending two-time champions. We know we go on rush them. Let them come in here and get this. But whip it is really that simple. They will completely arrogant. They took it for granted. And Boston made them pay for it. So to me that's about bad warriors more. So than anything else, you go on the road and beat the defending champion, Golden State Warriors by thirty three your ball that. I mean that was that was great Celtics. Not good Celtics. Great Celtics when I've been saying all along Stephen A. There your picked to get out of the east. You'd never backed off that you got nervous. But you never backed off it. But I've been saying the same thing the whole time there is in that team somewhere championship level team. It's in there somewhere they had to find it and Cairo Irving say they take this plane ride, right? They work things out and KYW read been trying to lead this team. But he didn't he he tried different things. One of the things he tried to sit down for a national interview, usually a very bad idea and Toews guys under the bus. They didn't react well to that didn't seem like they wanted to play with them after that, they just take a plane ride out west, apparently, they work things out. And then I believe in based on the way, they played you know, what carrier that was that was nineteen point eleven assist. Kyrie irving. That's the kyri Irving. They need Gordon Hayward. It's not just thirty point Stephen aid. It's the passing which is why it's all because it's his player Brad Stevens play Gordon Hayward. No red Stevens believed they needed Gordon Hayward passing in the starting lineup. And I agree. He shouldn't have been in that line of early in the season. But you could see why coach would think that Gordon Hayward passing was excellent, the hockey assists and stuff, but it was excellent throughout Jaylen Brown active. Both ends of the floor. Just active a completely different team. And that's the Celtics team that the warriors and everyone needs to be worried about that look Klay. Thompson doesn't play is that the best version of the warriors. Clearly not. I don't care how. Well, the Celtics play. You're not beating the warriors by thirty three points. And it's not, partly as you acknowledged courses. Partly good, Celtics. Partly bad words. But if you have to pick which one it was you can't tell me oh team is missing their third best player. So now, it's just gonna be garbage team. No. And the fact that the Celtics did it on the road. Think about this the Celts can't buy a win after the all star break, they have all these kind of problems. We're leaving them for dead. They get on the plane work things out. And when they lead they beat the warriors. Whereas I played second back to back. They beat the warriors by thirty three points because they bowled eight deep they bald last night. Well, let me say this Mr. Fred Astaire because you talked about how hey. You know, what I've been saying it all year what you've been saying all year is that Toronto is coming out of the east. Yes, you said the Celtics have a championship in them. What the hell is that mean if you picking Toronto so sit sit on that for just a second, and I'll come back to you. Secondly, eight for thirty five shooting from three point range for the Golden State Warriors. Is that them the Golden State Warriors shoot thirty eight point three percent? They are second in the NBA to the San Antonio Spurs. They don't play like this all I'm saying is it was a tremendous effort of Boston Celtics. I'm not taking anything, and I can't tell you how happy I am full. Gordon? Hayward to finally show up and play the way that they they expect them into play when they first brought him on board. We know the injury has everything to do with him. Not having the kind of games that he should have had since he arrived in Boston. But it was really really good to see him last night perform the way that he performed that was really really happy for him. But again, I go back to the three point shoe. Shooting. Okay. I go back to the assist Boston. Thirty eight to twenty six in a cyst. Cari, Irvine only eleven shots distributing the basketball? I understand we can look at that. And we can use that as a formula to point to the success of the Boston, Celtics. But what I am saying to you is that it is such an extreme aberration to see Golden State Warriors play the way that they played for an entire game. Like that last night. It'd be. But last night the whole game. They just weren't there. Look, I know we gotta move on all say is this eight hundred thirty three from three they could've thirty five. They could have been eighteen for thirty five from three. They lost by three points. They lost by thirty three points. They could have shot over fifty percent from three against that. Celtics team last night. They lose by three I used to lose. But it's the light still being prisoner the moment here we kind of written off Boston. And now it's like they're fully backed. But max did they Pru? They're the biggest threats to the warriors. I know Clayton play. But still no no you could argue that out of the east, maybe although I think still the box Toronto to start the season. No, the biggest threat to the warriors remains. Houston rockets. Houston Rockets were the best team in the NBA last year. They would have beaten the warriors. If Chris freaking bowl. What's healthy? You realize Chris Paul didn't play he didn't play and the and the rockets had the worst shooting night of all time, and they lost by single digits to the warriors. And now that rockets team essentially returns the same team. I Trevor REEs DeLuca m'bamou, I understand. But it's a sensually the same only this time guys. Chris Paul has his injury out of the way. Right. Just enough runway to get his basketball legs for the play offs. James harden can now take his foot off the peddle a little bit. Clint Capellas back, and they are balling. It's going to come down. To course. Still can James harden hit big shots in the playoffs. But just because he hasn't in the past doesn't mean he can't now look you bring up like the Celtics Molly and how they played who the rockets of beaten on the road. In the last week or two the warriors the Celtics and the raptors have win six straight. They go on the road and beat the warriors Celtics and raptors, and they were clearly Golden State's biggest obstacle last your biggest obstacle since Golden State of choir. Kevin Durant has been the rockets, and they remain that way. Now, if James harden could sink bigshot, Stephen they can beat the warriors. Well, again, you don't get to make that argument because according to you he chokes. So there's no reason to believe this will chase. No, I understand the E D on the end past tense, but you can pull up footage of voter, you, you will not believe in Iraq. It's until he shows up postseason because he has choked. I don't believe that about him. But you do. So as a result, you believe in Houston is really I'm the I get where you're coming from. But I should be believing in them whether you what I was saying to you is this still gonna roll with Boston. I'm still going to roll with Boston. I don't like what I've been seeing this well documented, but when when listen if they if Brad Stevens sits up there and prioritizes putting the best lineup of individuals in the game as opposed to taking care of his boy, then I'm not worried about Gordon Hayward playing like that you play them. Make no mistake about it. But for the most part this season hasn't been the case up until last night name shooting by thirty one percent recently defy points a game. You can't consider. You can't continue. To cost other guys minutes at the expense of that. He's got to continue to do better. And again, I'm happy for and I know it's only because of his injury. If he were healthy, we wouldn't be having that conversation about Gordon Hayward. I believe in them when he's healthy. But if he's not you gotta make sure you willing to sit him on the bench having said all of that. I'll look at Cairo who can close. I look at Jaylen Brown, and Jason Tatum, and the combination of their athleticism and link and willingness to defend Marcus, smart is a stout defender. Terry Rozier has no punk in him our Horford, questionable knees, and all can do some things for you, particularly pulling big men away from the basket bane is a big boy, and doesn't my banging I'm looking at them along with the coaching of Brad Stevens who I believe in. And I'm saying to myself excuse me, it's going to be rough Milwaukee Philly Toronto, they're not going to be pushovers. I get it. But I believe in the Boston Celtics. I believe that they could still they got to come together, they can't fragment. But if they're together, I think they can pull this out. And I think they can represent the east, and I think that a greatest threat to the Golden State Warriors when they're clicking. The question is will there be clicking? Houston's case max is just that. James harden, his greatness in everything considering all of that you the warriors. You see them coming? You know, exactly what they're going to try to do to you. It's going to be hard to stop. I get it. But one on one 'isolation ball is not going to beat the Golden State Warriors in my opinion. It's not see on paper. It looks like isolation ball. But in fact, the bottom line about the rockets is they get many more threes than anyone. That's it's all threes and free throws. So it's only the highest and like in the pain, it's only the highest most efficient way to play basketball. In fact, the warriors can play a more beautiful brand of basketball than the rockets because they can afford to. It's more. Pleasing. But theoretically, at least less effective. It's the reason the rockets are able to compete so evenly with the warriors in spite of the talent gap because Daryl Morey and Mike, Dan, Tony tripled down on triples. Right. So harden has been running that to perfection and Stephen now, he's got a rested. Healthy Chris, Paul Capella. I gotta ask you this MAC because you keep bringing up Chris Paul and accurately. So and don't get me wrong. But max Kellerman, you have never ever ever unless I instigated you have never brought up the fact that and Andre Iguodala got hurt address that you know, I know that's why I'm asking you to because the point is this Andre dolla going down for that series. I think it was like game one. I mean, he was out pretty much the entire series when Andrea dial is in the lineup and relatively healthy. He exponentially improves their defense. They're able to get out. On other shooters, and therefore turn James harden into isolation player, and that's what I'm pointing to. Hi, greg. How can bring Audrey dollars? I'll bring it up number one. If everyone's firing on all cylinders. I think we all agree. The warriors win the championship. It takes a little break one way or another a little luck for another team to beat them because they are the best team. I agree with that. And you agree that and everyone agrees with that. Really? I would say this. If your second best player is hurt. Okay. That's legitimate. Excuse one of your best players. That's what happened to the rockets. Even if you're third best player is hurt. You know, what that third best player in your team didn't play. Yeah. If it's your fifth or sixth best player who doesn't play as great as dies. Excellent. You used to be a great player is still good one. If it's your fifth or sixth best player, brother stuff happens. Like no team comes in one hundred percent if your fifth or sixth best player is out. I don't wanna hear it. Like you look at the warriors. The best player on the team is Steph or K D. Those are the top two. And then you got clay Andrey on I think Klay has now passed dream on that's four dollars at best fit. What about Livingston Igwe dollars at best the fifth best player kids? He your fifth. Best is best player or your best defensive plays. No overall. So the defense is above fifth, of course. But that's what I'm saying. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. No. I'm not pretending not having dollar isn't a thing. I understand it fire. If both teams are firing on all cylinders the warriors still having which maybe they do not come out before game seven dollar. What I'm saying is if it gets down to our fifth or six best player was banged up. He wasn't in the game. That's not the same thing as pointed to the rockets going Chris Paul didn't play this is an with dollar from from five seven years ago. It would dollar today not playing it's not that. It's doesn't mean anything. It's that is not a good enough excuse to make Chris Paul and the rockets up three two with Chris Paul in the lineup. Going back to the oracle for. A game six which everybody in their mother believes the warriors would have won forcing a game seven. So essentially what we're talking about is one game in that one game. If you are the warriors, and you have somebody like eagle dollar who you really don't need offensively. But he elevates you defensively that doesn't matter because it's the warriors. It's not about him being the fifth best player. It's about the fact that it's the warriors. And as loaded as they are any any elevations, albeit incrementally this significant for them, maybe, but I'll say this. Chris Paul added to a top heavy team is a way bigger deal to me. Arm. Robert here. Robert, somebody burned down, my she shed no one burden on your she shed shero already victim because my she sheds burning up in the backyard because she shared with struck by lightning, Cheryl, Robert state farm cover. My she shed shed. She turned are shed mature hideaway, Robert. Oh, yeah. That's covered. You hear that Victor? I'm getting a new she sheer. She hid. Can we stop? His she shed now go with a win. That's here to help life go, right? State farm talk to an agent today. All right here, we go by the combine has come and gone. So it's time for Todd mcshane's latest mock draft hottest name in this year's draft is now at number one Cuyler Murray going Zona, bumping Nick Bosa Max's favorite to San Fran at number two Montas wet and decay met cab lulled into the top ten after stand up performances in nap down ads for the quarterbacks Dwayne husk and goes to the j man at number six and drew lock leaping up to the fins at number thirteen joining us now the man himself. Mcshea? Hey, Todd how we doing? Got me to tell you got us. We don't got you. We don't hear it. We don't hear Todd. We don't hear. Hey. Right. Well, let them get on that. And by the way, joint do Joey Bosa is awesome Williams. I mean like you have to guy says all along. Yeah. You got defensive monsters at the top of that draft. Okay. Well in the meantime, we're trying to get Todd. Why don't we talk about Antonio Brown hair, guys? So the drama has obviously continued, but we could have a resolution by the end of this week. So sources tell her Adam Schefter that team to have spoken to the Steelers about Brown have been told the deal is expected to be in place. This Friday, Stephen I'll start with you. It's your squad where do you expect Brown to land? What do I expect to the land? I have no idea to be quite honest nine him to land. We'll be personally speaking, my preference would be we worked it out in Pittsburgh. And that nobody comes up with enough to Pittsburgh to buy and trade him. But if if for for purposes, if I had my breakfast says I'd love. To see and Tonio Brown in Green Bay with Amerada. Just don't want him to football. I would love to see that either that or how wanted to go to tamper in a trade. So Pittsburgh and get the Sean Jackson. I mean does Shawn Jackson is due to make about ten million this year, assuming it's guaranteed, which I doubt it's probably more along the lines of three to six. But if I'm if I'm gonna Pittsburgh Steelers, and I got juju Smith Schuster who's the number one. And I'm looking to replace Antonio Brown and make sure I don't get end up empty-handed for him. I trade them to tamper. I try to get convinced boots areas to take him. Then I take the Sean Jackson. But if I can't do that, then I wonder what what Amer Rogers because he's a bad, man. And you never had a talk this elite and Aaron Rodgers throwing Antonio Brown the football with see would be something to behold that I would say I will choose you chose teams. I'll choose two different teams. But I'll say this the weird thing was this morning. Some. Cleveland Browns players were sending out some weird tweets, and I was getting nervous when Jarvis Landry tweeted. Wait a minute Izzo del on his way to Cleveland. Could you imagine if that was misdirection by the Steelers and the best offer they're going to get because they have a ton of draft picks is from the Browns, and they treat them in the division to an arch-rival with a great young quarterback. But I don't think that's going to happen. I think Stephen a Oakland is a real possibility. Not just because they're the raiders. But because you've got to find out about Derek Carr. You does not Amari Cooper were talking about this is Antonio Brown. The man is always open. Okay. Derek Carr with a quarterback whisperer for a coach. And a guy who's always open for a wide out. What can you do? Now. I think that's a real possibility and the other team I would say which would be a good fit for some of the same reasons he'd be fit with Aaron Rodgers is the colts Colt have a ton of cap space. And if Tonio brand is interested in playing with a good quarterback who's not going to ever throw him under the bus. You know, Andrew luck is anti rothlisburger everything he says. Says is the politically correct football statement. And by the way, it doesn't ever seem like it's because he's trying to be politically, correct. It seems to me because that's who Andrew luck is. He drank the Kuwait as a kid and just and just lives breeze each sleeps doing it the right way, supporting his teammates, the right way, all that stuff. So Tony wouldn't have to worry about being thrown under the bus or anything like that. He'd be played with a big Armstrong mobile quarterback on a really good up and coming team, and it would make a lot of sense. I can't blame me for saying that I just think that when you think about Amer Rogers think about the greatness that we attached to this, man. I consider him the greatest talent at the quarterback position I've ever seen. I know how you feel about him and the best receiver that he's ever had was Jordy Nelson. Just think about that for second. It was a hell of a receiver a hell of a receiver. Please don't get me wrong. Randall Cobb too. Don't get me wrong. Devante adams. There's no joke. He's not a scrub. But I'm just saying when you hear those names, clearly they're not on the level that Antonio. Brown is on for Ammon Rogers to be devoid of that kind of weapon. You gotta remember whether it's Joe Montana or Steve Wright, Steve Young. They did have Jerry Rice. Now, they didn't are we talk about Troy Aikman. He did have to play make a now. I mean, when you think about when you think about some of the great quarter even going back to the days of Dan Marino, you did have more Clayton and Mark super-duper? Now. I mean, you know, Terry Bradshaw brigade Reggie more. It's on every Raj has never had that do. And just imagine what it would be like for him. If he did, but consideration, but Rogers always has had really good receiving course journal one guy that's the best receiver I've ever seen. But like two or three guys who can really catch the ball. What he's never had is a threat out of the backfield levian Bill, which is why when you talk about the two Steelers offense of stars who are available now. Let Bill is a free agent bell is the guy I look at because play action with a guy like Levy on who you could use on every down because you could split him out wide. You could put them in the slot. You can run them out of the backfield. It I just think about that offense with the receivers are always already in place and levian bell. And I think how do you stop that? So what I think of Green Bay an Rogers acquiring one of those Pittsburgh, I think levian. All right. Let's get to some future superstars, and I apologize for the technical difficulties. Earlier. But Todd, I think we got you. Now, you all new perfect there. We are good to have you with us. Hope you had a wonderful time in Indianapolis. Great job with the coverage. I wanna start with Cuyler Murray. A rough report for him. My former colleague NFL network, Charley Casserly, he said. The combine feedback on Murray was the worst he has ever gotten Todd. How concerns to the cardinals be about taking him at number one? That's horsh. I mean, I've heard I've been around the Oklahoma program. And he is the opposite of Baker Mayfield in terms of just being outgoing and having that that lively, energy and personality and all that he's just it's not him. He's not that guy. But he's poised he's kind of to himself. He's very serious. He's hard working. He talked to Lincoln Riley, his head coach said he picks things up extremely quickly. And as a player, you watch the tape, and I don't ever see any issues with him not being able to see the field or go through progressions or anything like that. So I have heard that he's he works more on instincts than he does necessarily diving in studying the playbook around the clock and those sorts of things, but he again when I studied this tape. I don't see any issues with him processing or not knowing the offense at any point in time. So I I've heard some different things and clearly he's not Baker Mayfield. But I think that that report is is it's awfully harsh. I'm not accusing Charlie Casserly of anything. I've watched them on TV. He's done a good job doing what he's done. I do think it's a bit harsh. I think it's a bit excessive. And I think when you think about the history of the black quarterback to say something so so hard so historically auch is definite definitely made me uncomfortable. And as a result of being so hard, Todd mcshay. I don't think I'm stepping out of pocket by saying this is going to force people to look Charlie castellinis resume is going forth folks to look at his years ten years or so in Washington before years with the Houston, Texas who was this first pick as the GM for the Houston, Texas, the quarterback, David Carr. How did that work out? No disrespect to David car. No disrespect to the car family. But I mean, come on. Now, we four we're going to be forced to look at your picks when you were an executive at the quarterback. Because you're going to see an abundance of people out there looking to the bunk and completely eradicate what he just stated because of how harsh it was tied. Kyla Murray with that with that athleticism with that speed dose skills, though, worst workout at the NFL scouting combine ever? Really? I mean, you're going to have to answer for that. That's all I'm going to say to me how you. Sorry. That you know, because he's. I know Charlie will I like, Charlie. So I, but I don't know how you qualify that. You can say I heard some things about him some some, you know, some not so positive things from the interview room, but to say the worst ever, I just don't know how you qualify that. If you weren't in the room, and we're following him around all thirty two teams. Plus why then is such a hot name, and why our team, you know, people talking about a potentially going number one overall. And again, I had Oklahoma three times this year. I sat with Lincoln Riley twice and had long conversations. A lot about Kyle Murray. And who he is and what kind of person he is worker leader in those sorts of things. And it'll be the first to tell you he's he's not baked again not Baker Mayfield. He's not going to get in your face, the vocal leader. But he's poised if he makes a mistake, it's like nothing fazes him, honestly, Lincoln Riley in probably an over an hour worth of sitting and talking to him never have one even close to negative thing to say about how Murray, and you may not like him, and he he may be a little standoffish. And he may come up come across as being cocky era, Ghent, whatever you want to say sometimes. But I again, this it's going to far to say the worst ever because you can't how do you compare that to anything else, especially if you weren't in the room, Charlie cast, Italy has a losing record as a GM? However has also jammed successful teams. This is Bella chicks, quote on Casserly once upon a time who's been wrong, more than Charley Casserly since he left Washington. His percentage is like meteorologist. He has no relationship to this team. I'd say less than zero based on what he's never had a practice never game. At least he put his name on it, which is more in a lot of guys. But like he is usually one hundred percent wrong. Hey, Maxhutte said that Bill Belichick of cancer is talking about the patriots. How much do you think this is? But like the casualties just doing is priceless man cancer doing his job in passing along information. But I wonder Todd not about Casserly as a source, but more front offices in the NFL has shown such amazing. Using cowardice lack of courage in terms of doing things in a unique way. They simply followed the her how much of this could just be that that Keiler Murray is because I'm concerned about what I hear. But then I think maybe he just is unique. Maybe he doesn't go about things the way they want him to go about things, but still gets the results. Could it have you seen that before where a guy gets just destroyed in the interview process? It turns out he was a great player. Listen you look at the some of the best quarterbacks in this league. And you're not gonna find a whole lot of love for them in terms of their personality and how they carry themselves. I mean, I can't use. They can be very tough to be around. You know, Aaron Rodgers is turned a lot of people off Tom Brady while he comes across as the greatest guy in the world. He's hard on on the guys that are in that quarterback room. Peyton Manning's notorious for for how much work he makes everyone else around him do in terms of helping and how how demanding he is. And while he's so. Funny on the commercials, and he's a great guy, and so many different areas. I mean, these guys can can be different cats. And it's part of what makes them great. Is that just obsession with being great and doing all the details and all those other things so listen, I it doesn't matter to me as long as the guy's going to work. He's gonna show up. He's going to produce. And if he goes about it a little different way. Like Ben Rothlisberger has his entire career. But gets the results. That's all that matters. Well, let me say this to piggyback tot off of what max it Charley Casserly was the GM for the Washington Redskins in nineteen Ninety-one when they won the Super Bowl. So there was success to be fair to him. But his last eleven years as a GM he made the playoffs twice and draft a David Carr. Now, let me move on having said all of that Todd mcshay in light of what Mr. Castelli has had to say what kind of impact do you think this will have on the draft as it pertains? Not just a column. Murray, but to Haskins out of Ohio State, for example, who's the other quarterback this projected to be taken in the top six? I don't think it's going to have any effect. I think it comes down to scheme come on in and what the fit is. And I think it's he fits perfectly in this in the system in Arizona. You know, you've got cooked Kingsbury coming in. And if they decide listen everyone's heard the same rumors. I don't know if we're being sold a bad Bill goods that because they're trying to to pitch this pick and try to get a team to come up and give them a bunch of pics to move back that could very well be the case. But I do think there's a great fit between Cuyler Murray and cliff Kingsbury. Now does there's been Murray fit in the giant system as as it is presently not as well as Askins does Wayne Haskins is more of a pocket passer. He has decent mobility in the pocket, but he's not a runner, and he is more of your traditional pro style quarterback with excellent touch. Excellent understanding of reading defenses going through progressive progression. And throwing with anticipation, so it really comes down to fit, and what's interesting this year. Arezzo if the Arizona doesn't go quarterback because they have Josh Rosen. Let's say they're they're comfortable with that the first five teams don't need a quarterback. So we could get to six with the giants. Now, Jacksonville everyone's saying that Nick foles is gonna wind up there and fill that quarterback. Void. So now, you get down to ten Denver. Maybe longshot eleven cincy, maybe long shot, but then really down to thirteen and fifteen with Miami and Washington respectively before you get to teams that really need quarterback. So while we have Haskins we have Murray, we have drew lock from from Missouri. Three first round locks to go. You know in that range. We don't have a bunch of teams that are looking for quarterback is the first time in a long time where the league as a whole is really settled on the quarterback position. So it's going to be interesting to see which teams move around to go get these guys because you know, they're not gonna last very long. But there's there's really not that need that we usually have in ten mile imagine if you're drafting fifteen. And you wind up with Cuyler marina quarterback on my place. Todd really juice in us there with this Haskins talk before we let you go deep came Metcalf might have been the most impressive at the combine give me an example of someone. He reminds you of a player pastor present. There's a little bit of Mike Evans to you know, from Tampa Bay just that big obviously just ripped up shredded, dude who's physical. But also has the speed to go along with it. I mean, there's not many guys you'll ever see to Twenty-eight that can run a four three three and put up the numbers that he put up now he is a little straight line. He by that. I mean, he's not great in terms of getting in and out of routes necessarily. He's gotta learn to run more of a pro style. Route tree. Shuttle's the showing body control and change direction. We're not nearly as impressive as some of the straight line stuff including the forty yard dash. But the one thing he does he does exceptionally. Well, and that's get down the field and go make plays on the ball vertically. And I think it's there's not many guys that can do what he does. And I think that that right away will translate to the NFL, and then he'll have to continue to develop the rest of his game. Right. And to wrap things up as far as the earlier reports that we were talking about there with Cuyler Murray. You think again, the Charley Casserly criticism was a little bit too. Harsh their time. I do I think the Charlie there's other ways to to handle it. I've gotten terrible reports from from many players across across the country when we're getting ready for the draft. And there are ways to present in their ways to. But should not present. And I think I have one question about that Todd though, it seems to me as much criticism as we've given casualty here have you ever gotten the worst report you've ever heard about a position when that guy was the presumptive number one overall pick isn't it then incumbent upon Charlie to report what he's heard. Yeah. But again, there's other ways to present it, you can say, you know, I've talked to multiple teams who were a little bit concerned about the way. He carried him. That's all you thinking just business that personal when I did work with NFL network, though. I will say it was a great guy really enjoyed all my interactions. I told, you know, Charlie, Charlie and the hard to say this. But I think he could have handled it a little bit differently share Todd. Appreciate you. Thank you for putting up with all the technical stuff. We'll talk to you soon. Hey, it's Dan Patrick here to tell you about the Dan Patrick school sportscasting of teamed up with full sail university to create a sports casting bachelor's degree you work both on and behind the cameras and you build skills for the future of sports. So you can connect with audiences. No matter where they are or how they're to Ning in learn more about full sail. Universities Dan, Patrick school to sportscasting by going to full sail dot EDU slash ESPN. Hey, everyone does sports in right now on the Collins with news out of college hoops, we have a better sense of one Duke will have nine Williamson back on the court head coach Mike shaft skis saying that while he doesn't expect Zion to be back in the regular season. He and -ticipant the freshman will be ready to go as early as tournament. Blue devils play their fourth straight game with odds. I is he continues to nurse a knee injury. RJ very led the way for Duke with twenty points, including big bucket down the stretch way. Cata great chance to win it at the buzzer. But Chandi Brown's shar rim out shot rooms Allan Duke wins by one seventy one seventy taking a look at Duke without Zion. They haven't been the same prior to his injury on February. Twentieth. Versus North Carolina. Blue devils had been outscoring their opponents by over twenty points per game. But in their last five games, including the UNC game Duke only has four points per game advantage. Here's trae Jones on the teas metality without Zion. I mean while he's out. We just got a focus on ourselves. You know, keep growing as a team keep he trying to get to the team that we wanna be by tournament time. So I mean when when he's ready he's going to be ready. But until then I mean, we can't let that bother how how we prepare for games or more or let's get you back. I takes. Thank you, Tony. This was the fourth consecutive game design. Williamson who leads the fourth ring blue devils, and rebounding in blocks and steals and their second leading sorely here. Have you been on this new set? Stephen, what are you doing somewhere else when you can have this view the Lakers played the clippers Monday. They played a nugget tonight. They play the Celtics Saturday night. He wanted to clip with him and. To the clippers those look like they could be important gone green around the other side. I guess what I'm saying to you is the March madness the ACC tournament and then March man, this is right around the corner. I'm good. You'll see me on the college seat. Right. You like the digs though with it. Oh, this is unbelievable. We upgraded feeling. Good about it. That's all suck was I on. How important is it that he returns this season and actually place? I mean for Zion. Yeah. He could work on his game. But I I don't go. Coach may disagree. I'm sorry. I'm done. I'm the number one pick in the draft. Oh, I'm sorry. Did I make a commitment to the guys on the team in the school? The way coaches make commitments and then take off on players coach on for free. So you want me to I've already established my value in the NBA. There's one hundred million dollar shoe contract on the line for me. Look he can play if they're careful with it. If that's what he wants to tell him. What to do if it's in his heart that he wants to come back and play for? That's what he should do. If it's me, Steven. He eat a CD on that. Give me my hundred mil. Yeah. Just for the record coach. I think is position is pathetic. I have stayed Dan on several occasions. I have no problem. If you go from high school to the pros, I think that should be allowed. Okay. And if you're injured, and you can't play I have no problem with that. If you're not a hundred percent, but I want everyone to understand what max Kelham in the sand with Scottie Pippen was saying what Tracy McGrady because it's not just maxim fantasy. It's not just him. He got hall of fame. It's kinda Tracy McGrady have said this along with various others. Their position is even if he's one hundred percent healthy because he is validated himself as the number one. Overall, pick the hell would you teammates to handle all is goes? Max, we listened, bro? We are Jew. Let me speak. The fact is that they're saying the hell what your teammates to hell with the program the hell with the pursuit of a national title because I've solidified myself as the number one overall pick. I am going to quit in the middle of the season. I'm going to say P E A C. According to max Kellerman that is pathetic period. I don't always agree with Stephen. But I'm one hundred percent agreed with the look he should not come back until he's one hundred percent healthy. And let's face it. The person that's gonna make that decision is in Zion. Williamson the medical staff and his family the coaching staff has nothing to do with that decision. And you saw yesterday's. I warmed up. He said by be doesn't feel right. You know, what it's up to him when he comes back. But here's the deal that was a wardrobe malfunction. All right. He didn't blow out his the as eight grade one strain. So what does that mean, really simple? And when you imagine talking about larger malfunction, that's a bad. But matching, you know. I get a kick out of you. Because you say, well, you know, if if he comes back and God forbid something happens, not it's it's not like he's not getting issue contract. It's not like he's not going to be a lottery pick. It's not like Joel Embiid, by the way, our right? He didn't play any ended up like he didn't play for full year. For the seventy Sixers got a pretty good shoe contract. He's got national -dorsements. He's got a max contract as a player. It's not like you think about higher Giles inherit jails coming out of high school. He got hurt. Yeah. Stand that he had a horrendous freshman year because in out of the second surgery still got drafted and first round so Zion Williams. It is just going to be fine. Zion was a basketball player Zion. One is not going to live in a bubble. He's I Williams if he doesn't play for Duke is going to be working out with someone that same shoe could've blown out. So we talk about it say he entered into an agreement with these other players. He loves being Duke. He loves playing for coach K, you know, what he also needs to have a legacy a legacy of trying to compete for a national fair points and him to walk out. I think it would be really their points. And I would never advise it for him. He has whatever's in his heart is what he should do. I'm saying if it was me out all college basketball would be for me at this. Level. It's obvious. They are exploiting the labor of kids to make money that by the way, I'll make money right now talking about him. What's you point a camera at start charging revenue charging for adolph's? That's it. It is pro everyone's pro except the kids and once I've established my value, and I got one hundred million dollar contract on the line. And by the way, the wardrobe wardrobe malfunction, maybe because there's never been two hundred eighty pounds starts like saying. Dave and the produce. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. I want to address max directly Zion. Williamson. Let's talk to max Kellerman. Let's do it. You know, what kind of competitor? Or you that you would sit up there and say, excuse me a national championship. Don't matter to me. I'm the number one ranked team in the country. I got my boys with me here we go in for national championship. But because I can be a number one overall pick. I would quit on my team in pursuit of a national championship. When that's supposed to be what you want. You know, the national championship is it's another TV show for which I won't be paid. If I was gonna tell them was William. So what to do again say who say? Me. Oh, I'm sorry. I I just saw that my career could go like that. And you want me to just play to star in yet. Another TV show for you. Hold in Idaho. Get paid because of the glory does come to God, I'm coming to you. Thank you. Thank you. That's not accurate. What you just said. Maximum. Your position has been that way before he got injured because I have someone. College system from the point of view the engine before. Got his shut it down. This is the way I view me telling. What to do? I was. Saying if it was me, this is how I view college. If I'm a player, they are using me period. That's all they're doing student. One into hypocrites. It's just you pay. Don't Asia's ask them all has enhanced Xilin. Of course, you say, wait. It's a two way street. You gotta by John Williamson. He's made a lot of money by playing it through this year. There's no doubt about who's made a ton of money by playing because we should over at him. Because. Him all season long. But we've put them up on his pedestal. And you know, we've made everyone getting season. He was the second pick in the draft. Every white sees maskco the first picking coach or the coaches also elevated by the national TV exposure or coaches also elevated, yes, they are. But they're getting paid aren't they everyone's getting paid except for the kids. That's the point. So see it for what it is. They're using you use them back your commitment, in my view to the school is meaningless to you to something else to the school is meaningless. So we should play drama rant play at Murray. State heroes ankle, maybe he made it, but we're me just Barrett. Shut it down to camera. How about just being? I'm a basketball player. I've met a commitment to play at Duke. I'm sharing this experience with my team is how about just saying. You know, what this is what I do. This is what I do about your teammates playing college basketball continuing to move on. And share this experience of my teammates. There is a value to the store, and you know, what they're saying about a lifetime experience. All of a sudden, you're not gonna if he should've went overseas. Coach if you want overseeing oversee because they don't build stars the same way 'cause I don't have the same tracks have TV's built his we did. But but college. You have TV contracts. We have to pay the labor percent here you out from the business aspect of it. But there's also the life experience, and and enjoying basketball and your g that is what else what else kids do they give up the college experience. They don't go four years to college and have a normal college experience, but they do it for the millions of dollars going to cash. Talk. If he does not play. It doesn't get out of the first weekend. That's interesting first weekend first weekend. Wow. I will remember that as I thought Tate, just I know true. Always good to see you Seth comeback codex.

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Chris Hedges Pt. 2 on Media "Objectivity," Plus Matt Hits the Biden Campaign Trail

Useful Idiots with Matt Taibbi and Katie Halper

53:56 min | 1 year ago

Chris Hedges Pt. 2 on Media "Objectivity," Plus Matt Hits the Biden Campaign Trail

"Usefully it's I'm Katie. However are we are now pre-debate depending on when you hear this definitely after yeah by the time let me see this? It'll mean if you're watching this looming that I've been right well that we didn't die during the game. That's the opposite but in this case it's at right so we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA have the second part of our interview with Chris Edges on a little bit and we thought we'd do just little bonus episode before hand. Well Matt you have a big story. Yeah did did a the latest Campaign trail future so the next in line was was joe. Biden went out and saw Joe on the on the campaign campaign trail and did kind of a write up of Where he's at and it was kind of an interesting story because Joe Biden is an interesting figure because he's had a lot of disasters in his political career but yet he keeps kind of being projected upward because of them And this impeachment thing is going to kind kind of breaking in an interesting way for him because it could either ruin him right. It could also It's forcing the whole Democratic Party to throw themselves behind and him too right because if not you're letting the Russians Lynn yes or make trump being right or something. Yeah right so he. He had a really bad quarter quarter in terms of Fundraising he was he was he went way down from like twenty four million to like fifteen And and he's behind even Buddha ch and Bernie was at the top actually and Warren was just behind him. But they're now considering putting a packed together to To create a Defense Fund for Biden. What this this isn't news as well as as I was putting the bed there? There's there's a A group of high profile democratic donors who are now weighing whether or not. That's the smart thing to do so And the reason they would would have to do it is because the they're trying to figure out how to best how best to counter some of the information that's coming out about his son and the stuff the sun is on. How do you feel about it? I think we said this a couple of episodes ago. But it's not it's not agree and I think it's kind of a sign of how much trump it's like any you know there's anybody but trump roses like anything but trump so anything that happens that isn't trump level route or trump related. I guess kind of get to pass your. They've got they've got hunter on with Interviews today and the the the day the debates are basically asking him should. You've did you ever. Maybe have second thoughts getting on the board of a of a Ukrainian gas company without actually having any expertise. Good idea and he he he he serves as in hindsight you know maybe yes. Yes so But the other interesting thing and no I I asked the Biden campaign about this is is that One of the talking points about all this is that Joe Biden when he asked Ukrainians to fire. Victor Shokhin may lead prosecutor. That there were no active investigations of Burris MMA at time and and in the last week or a couple well. There's an old story that that was actually published in Russia and Ukraine in two thousand. Sixteen that that suggested Charisma's CEO COO was actually had his property seized after that moment. So that kind of runs counter to that and then there was a story that you know Vegas yet which is like the Russian opposition newspaper? They just did a big expose last week. That was ignored here in the state. Senate I I know the reporter who wrote it though the woman Yulia Latina let Cenex Latina just Kanye and she Basically what she says says that there was an open. There was an open case in Ukraine involving The Sky Surrogate Court Janko who is like stealing money from Ukrainian businesses and funneling it to among other things Rosemont Seneca Biden's sons company through Burris MMA. So that story just came out and they didn't. They didn't exactly deny that. Didn't comment on the record about it. But that's stories out there and it's going to come out so this all this stuff about Hunter Biden. It's I don't know it's hard to say I think it's going to be could break both ways. I missed what he looked like. I was impressed by his plugs for having his father's plugs. Yeah a good way to look like I like like that. It's kind of smart. It's like if he has these weird hair. This weird follicle situation going on and his dad has a two. Maybe they're not transplants. Maybe they just have that you look the naturally grove. That's what they're narrowed. That's what they're trying to suggest. Maybe they go to the same plugs place. So they'll have to have your generational no coherence -LICA- familial new era. Yeah Yeah see like. There's Inter Inter generational trauma that's the thing. So you can have intergenerational generational hair plugs right. I went to school with a girl who had like definitely had the same notes job as her mom did. That's another good way to hide it. In synchronized synchronize the notion of three. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah no he he He's a mess on her Biden can get a perfectly good job just being the son none of the vice president. You don't have to do anything. People will hire you at a private equity company. And you'll they'll put you in an office and you'll make really good money and you know what did I make imitate. Well maybe in the grand scheme of things yeah but did I make a mistake based upon some on ethical APPs absolutely not. Why did you leave the board in April? It's a five year term. And you choose not to. I chose not why. I think it's pretty obvious what this is your opportunity to say why well because this is what it becomes a distraction because I have to sit here and answer these questions and so that's why I committed. I will serve on any boards or I won't work directly for any foreign entities entities when my dad becomes president like why go out of your like. He's on the board of these foreign companies. He he had a he had a seat on Amtrak. Along time ago. And and Tom Carper. The senator from Delaware actually wrote him a letter on his behalf recommending him and his expertise was one hundred hundred and rides threads the trains a lot like his dad. Another thing like I said isn't isn't isn't Biden like Mr Amtrak. Gosh I guess so but I mean I don't know if he ever ask for a a a a paid Amtrak does he rides the trains a lot And you know he had that job as a consultant with Mbna of the credit card company too and then the other thing what Biden is is the guy. I don't like to use the word gas because they're not. That's not an accurate term for what they are. But I mean it's gotten out of hand. Did you see the the thing with the bath houses. That was great right. Yeah Yeah Remember Anderson Back Fifteen twenty years ago we talked about this in in in San Francisco is all about well. You know gay gay gay bath houses and every so all about round the clock sex come on gay. Couples are more likely to stay together longer than heterosexual couple. He's still up in the polls he's still like despite all these stories about Elizabeth Warren overtaking me still got the lead. And could you imagine what it's going to look like if no and there is the bath house response and then there's warns response about like if someone doesn't believe in same sex marriage and they believe in faith or something. How are you going to respond to that? Did you see that the supporter approaches. You and says Senator I'm old fashioned and my faith teaches me. That marriage is between one man and one woman. What is your response? Well I'M GONNA assume it's a guy who said that a- and I'm going to save just Mary one woman it can find one well. The Guy who has the question is from human rights campaign and like Max donor to her fanzine which wasn't revealed? which is you know it's interesting? I wonder what planted questions. There will be tonight. Oh well they'll we should've added that to our drinking game. I think I think there is a rule for scripted witticisms. xeres there usually is but I mean someone in the audience who the candidate. It's not like Bernie's would be that guy in the you saw that Bernie video where he's just walking down around Wall Street and some ups guy just like passes buying gives him a smack on the shoulder friend of the working men. It's not fake literally just walking through. It's like one of the best images ever so they could have. Yeah that'd be a good guy to ask the question. Can we talk about your piece about the coup stuff or is that It's not like sort of an Internet hiding right now because that kind of blew up in a way I wasn't anticipating so all right. Well let's just just own it okay. You're already people are already trying to cancel you. And they've failed. They might as well celebrate. Okay so matt you wrote this piece In addition to your Joe Biden piece you have a piece that you released elsewhere. Substitute Group called in a permanent coup. Americans might soon soon wish they'd just waited to vote their way. Out of the trump era This got you almost in more trouble. If possible than your last piece where you talked about whistleblowers so tell us about this piece and what you are saying why people lost their minds even more than usual from your writing. Look if you look at the whole time line of the EH impeachment thing and it was sort of a continued continuation of Russia gate and this has been going on a long time and you have to think about it in the context of like what's happened since before even trump's presidency being I can't stand trump I covered him he's now lately ridiculous. I don't like Hillary Clinton and I went into the voting voting with voted for. Because like for all the reasons you just there's you can't vote for Donald Trump. But when he got elected the foreheads of the security agencies these Komi from the FBI the CIA. Chief Brent John Brennan The Dia James Clapper and Mike Rogers the admiral from the NSA say they went to trump before impeachment and they presented him with the steele dossier which that they knew was fake at the time or the they had had plenty of time to investigate anyway like a half year and they said were. We're telling you this that were you know you're not. Don't don't worry about blackmail we're gonNA keep it close this. We're going to make sure that the news agencies don't have a hook to publish this and then they leaked it like instantaneously within days so just imagine what Democrats would think of. The security has done that to Obama before he had and the only reason aren't flipping out about is because it's donald trump. Like if this any other instances where you had the security heads sabotaging present it. Before they took office. It would be kind of a big deal and then you add add to that. The constant string of leaks stories many of which turned out not to be true or defamatory story like in the next couple of years do were you know. They're putting their toe into domestic politics in a way they never really had before. That's all that's all. I'm really saying this. And that trump exactly. Yeah I just can't I just can't stand turn there just pounding you over the head with this impeachment stuff stuff like five thousand times a day. I can't do it anymore. I don't know how do you feel about it. Well no my thing is that It's not there's this like lack of emotional national distance from from what's happening that I think actually prevents people from seeing how to effectively oppose trump. And all these people who are constantly talking about impeachment ironically I think are in many ways enabling him and empowering him not intentionally but I just think that they don't know how to respond to him in a kind of clever way or in a way that gets the people who don't already care too care nats thing like and I do worry that You know there are so many avenues you say you could go to to go after trump. And they're really abandoning those because of the impeachment There's also the question that this is not really about anything. Nothing none of the lake man. Neither this nor Russia gate and wasn't about making people's lives better is just like this constant sign like you know. Investigation power struggle right. You know Washington you know power. Play thing I don't. I don't think that's the way you fix the problem right. Donald trump like the he was elected and the only reason people voted for miss. Google literally could not bring themselves to vote for someone else who represented one of the two major correct. And so I think that's but they're not looking at it that way like did his presence. He's illegitimate we're going. We're going to terminate it and I think that's GonNa find your I think that's GonNa fire up his base even more. Yeah it'll fire up his base. I don't think it'll it registers people who don't care that much I think that Yeah I mean and you have a just reading from your piece you open. I've lived through few coups. They're insane random and terrifyingly buying like watching sports except your political future depends on the score And I want. I'm curious about your coo days but we'll move nine nine hundred ninety one and rant and then there was There was a thing in Russia called Xerox affair were Yeltsin's bodyguard. Hard tried to arrest Yeltsin's campaign people and then Yeltsin's campaign people had the bodyguard arrested so there was a few it was a couple of days. There were wasn't clear. Actually who is in charge of the government so the Russians can they call that like a mini pitch. You know there was. There was a moment of uncertainty about who is actually running things. Three stooges gauges. Yeah it was it was it was it was kind of like an old school comedy And then there was a couple and uh-huh Becca Stan when Islam Kareem of who was the now longstanding dictator there he. He arrested the opposition party while I was there. Not Not quite the same thing is like ninety one situation but But you know the the this star when somebody basically refuses to recognize the authority of the executives right. And I think you're Kinda you KINDA SORTA have a situation like that where the four intelligence agencies kind of broke from the president which is why was people's minds broke with your whistleblowers because again they're like you were saying whistleblowers kind of by definition are Boehner and they lose a lot lose their you know their their homes their their work their jobs sometimes their families And people like what. What do you mean this? This whistle blower is being threatened by trump which he of course whatever our were being but again. This is the first time where the intelligence community and the executive branch are not in lockstep. So people just I don't think they get that So this is a whistle blower. But it's you know whistleblower with the backing of the people. The WHO usually crush was so it's it's like a you know. It's a confusing situation. That's why Elvis the part of the part of that story. That really struck me as false as all this own. Oh my God. We have to stand with the whistle blowers like stuff that's on tv all of a sudden. And it's the same people who you know didn't have time of day for actual whistle blowers org or on the wrong side of like the on thing for instance right so So that's that's all you know. There's a difference between is like a power struggle between two big institutional forces and what a normal whistle blower situation as you know. Let's just like everyone against exactly everybody's sort a pilot on a single person so you my discomfort in the last few years I with Russia Gate now with you. Crangate and impeachment stems from the belief that the people pushing hardest for trump's early removal move. Oh are more dangerous than trump. Many Americans don't see this because they're not used to waking up in a country where you're not sure who the president will be by nightfall. They don't understand that this predicament is worse than having a bad president. Yeah I think people don't think about that and they think it's like treasonous to say that Roy and I you know I get people in I I understand why people can't stand donald trump and they think he's like the worst thing. I just think that having the subtext of everything leading up to two thousand sixteen is that the intelligence agencies have been gradually asserting more and more crazy powers right where it's surveillance or you know the rendition in the St the indefinite detention. All those things right and the last thing we want to do is have them decide that they're going to get involved with domestic politics ticks and we've seen since the Russia thing started that there you know there are these partnerships with facebook and Google to you know to control like fake news right all that You know they they hold them into the Senate and ask them all to create a plan for stopping the foment of discord and all these things I think are are more dangerous. You know long-term right but you know I could be wrong as as you say I don't believe most Americans Oregon's have thought through what a successful campaign to Donald Trump would look like most casual news. Consumers can only think of it in terms of Mike Pence becoming president. The real problem would be the president of a de facto intelligence community veto over elections using the lunatic spook world brand of politics that has dominated the last three years of anti-trump agitation. CIA ASPCA backed impeachment could also be a self fulfilling prophecy. This is also a really good point. If Donald Trump thinks he's going to be jailed upon leaving office he'll sooner or later figure out that his only real move is is to start acting like the quote unquote dictator. MSNBC AND CNN. Keep insisting he is why give up the White House and wait to be arrested when he still has theoretical story this and Special Forces She's always repelling through the windows of every last Russia Ukraine Gate leaker. That would be the end game in a third world country and it's where we're headed unless someone calls of this craziness. Welcome to the permanent power structure struggle. Welcome to the permanent perisher. I have a friend who we knew an I knew him in Russia and the first thing he said about all this businesses. Yeah if if trump were actually were somebody like Putin. Then the NEX- snooze store you'd be reading of the guys with masks you know Kinda crashing through the windows of who are all people who had access to this information and they'd be dragged out there there were there will be an actual attempt to scare the people in away from doing this. Not that hasn't happened yet But it could. I mean you know if he thinks that this this is the this is the end game in countries where presidents are afraid to leave office. Because they think they're going to get jail is they. They always inevitably like exercise. More power or worried about that. So that's why it's always good to have the peaceful transfer of power whenever you can even rent so and what is the FBI do that so bad to play To play Liberal Person Mad at Meta Abby. Well in Maine in this in the last couple of years I would argue that. The thing that they did was that was really bad was they. It was they intentionally circulated the phony story about you know trump being a Russian agent and again off all the things that trump those did wrong there. That story story turned out not to have a there there and they. I think they knew that pretty early and yet they were continually leaking that to the news at an again people think of it. They don't they don't think of it. In terms of the presidency they think of it in terms of Donald Trump's. Oh screw him right but actually it's kind of you know it's not good for the country to be leaking more that that the president is a far age. If he's actually not you know and see what the so. So that's what the the the thing worry about is if this works. There's GONNA GONNA be a precedent for how to do this. You continually push stuff and you have allies in the media. Who are going to help you do that? And you know but also in terms of just like recent history three of the FBI and CIA. I think people have become so kind of like neo cons. Who Use jazz war criminals? They become so rehabilitated. Relatively speaking just by yeah trump's existence people don't think about when we just had to be at a court case just last week where we found out that the FBI was doing tens of thousands of of warrantless searches per month accessing the NFC is is a database. You know these Ya has joan assassination program you know again the secret prisoners. Let me this stuff is all terrible right objectively. They're doing paramilitary operations in like you know in seven different countries or whatever it is and stuff so bad I mean yes but yeah and I think that the thing is public opinion on that is drastically changed since trump came around. Because if you remember heading two dozen sixteen you know there was. There's a lot of anger towards you. Know the about over the surveillance thing over you know. So it's it's been interesting watching. Let's talk to Chris Hedges who has a lot of interesting things to say about About journalism in his career and it was great. Talk also not a fan of the intelligence community. That's true he is not the always at your career really embodied something. Chomsky talked about in manufacturing consent. which is that? The pressure isn't really so much nobody comes in red. Pencils your copy and tells you not to right this or that. It's more about the point of higher right if you if you're the kind of person who doesn't kind of right what they want you. Just you'll get a reputation for being a difficult cul person or emotional or one of these things and you just kind of won't make make your way up the night business right. It's what they did to Ray-ban or something like that. Yeah well obits or right right so what happened. What was your day Newmont with the New York Times because you were reading front-page stories you're recovering all the major events overseas in the eighties nineties? You know early. Two thousands Obviously wanted one of their most valuable. Correspondents Despondency Win the Pulitzer Prize. But there was tension right. So what happened because people like me. Newspapers or news. Organizations need people with my characteristics which is basically basically comes down to. If you go there will kill you and we go anyway. Right which is doesn't really fit into a corporal corporate mentality the New York Times in the newsroom. Which is why good war correspondent never ever go back to the newsroom? They always get pushed Out Because you think of an example I know it because we were not really built like that right so so it's always an uncomfortable relationship on the part of the paper on but on the other hand you're kind of a necessary evil. They need to put up with you because they need somebody. That's going drive into Sarajevo. When is being hit with two thousand shells a day? I mean that's a personality type and it's not Brian Williams right. No He's been on the Brian member that story about him being. I'll say I want to apologize. I said I was traveling in an aircraft that was hit by. RPG The fire. I was instead in a following aircraft. Most of the DVD correspondents who came in to Sarajevo. When I was there came in for like a two week thing like Brian Williams to credential centralize themselves spent all of their time in the nuclear bunker below the sorry pants looking at teams? There is one. Yeah there was one. Yeah they were like wouldn't even sleep upstairs. Yeah I still can't believe you got caught. And then we rehabilitate but these. These people aren't journalists. Come on I mean journalists million dollars a year or whatever they pay these people. I don't know I don't begrudge than that but you don't begrudge the ten million. Well it's Faustian. I mean they've completely sold their soul and their integrity. So what were you asking me. So yeah the time so rack. Well okay I mean on a more serious note everybody has. You can't cover war for everybody. Has Everybody has a breaking point. I ended covering the war in Kosovo. I was physical and emotional wreck doc. How long were you there? Well I'd been twenty years overseas from war to war so and I just couldn't do it anymore and then my closest friend who had worked with for ten years Kurt Schork with its killed in ambushes Sierra Leoneans. He was by either way the administrative assistant in the Office of Michael Harrington's office who fired me wild like bizarre. What a bizarre in our did you ever reflect on that with them? Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah because by when so then like in his forties he decides to become a freelance reporter for Reuters and northern Iraq. And by that time the Middle East Bureau chief for The New York Times and somebody said Oh Kurt wants to see he was in Zaharana where he was somewhere and I was going to see him the next day I said Yeah. Tell him if he needs any papers filed. I'll either either so yeah I just kind of broke down and I had I had to stop. I took a Nieman Fellowship Fellowship at Harvard And I couldn't really do warning more. And then comes the called invade Iraq. Well I spend once in my life in Iraq seven years in the Middle East I realized for all the reasons we now this was Insane and dangerous and I spoke out against it and which reporters are not supposed to do although John Burns was cheerleading. The war which so you know it's NYPD. They have rules that they decide whether they want to enforce or not right is kind of the same not or setting into burns because he was parodying the appropriate line and then I gave a commencement address at Rockford college where I was booed off the stage. The angry crowd around the military governor thousand people got up and started singing. God bless America. It's on Youtube. And they cut my Mike and then like at the end these couple of guys from the graduating class get up to the podium cody and try and push me off and so the right wing media got a hold of that and the way they do it is Lynch you are you've written about this so every hour it was it's like me saying something thirty seconds that was not patriotic and rush limbaugh devoted four days to me in the Wall Street Journal wrote an editorial to`real attacking me as pacifist which I'm not. I'm not a pacifist. And and so. The Times gave me a formal written reprimand which under guild rules. You give the employees the reprimand and then if they violated I if I continued speaking out against the war. You're fired I left before they fired me was the reprimand about editorializing. Outside your only way or huning the impartiality archaeology of the New York Times so I want to come back to that a little bit because clearly things are a little different at the time is now right. I mean they're they encourage everybody to have a social media presence since to give their opinion about all sorts of things but it's not really can give their opinion as long as it is part of the dominant narrative I I e trump is a Russian agent You know being you know being at war in the Middle East is a good thing. Yeah I mean and what was Cath. Dorothy Parker said about Katherine Hepburn's emotional range was an actress that goes from ADP. So that's kind of it. It goes from A to B. You can have all all opinions want as long as it goes from eight to be even people who have twitter presences I mean. That's they're supposed to be there outlet. Maybe but they are supposed to be. I mean we've talked about this that I think in some ways. It's much scarier the scarier than the Jennifer Rubin's at the Washington Post or like Brad Stevens at the New York Times are the you know. Sydney Sydney Ember at the Sydney Ember at the New York Times who claim to be objective. Rate they they still do claim to not be driven by their opinions but of course they are they just tide them. Will there certain kinds of very specific opinions low depending right. Yeah Yeah it's I mean I always talk about Bernie but it's it's very clear you can just trace it to their representation of Sanders or lack thereof. He's either invisible or had a heart attack and that's at well. What do they do piece a few weeks ago? That dredged up every reference they could make to Noam Chomsky and the Sandinistas or something. Oh yeah that was great. Basically literate Sydney Ember was asked. She asked Sanders enders if he regretted if he heard an anti-american chance when he was at a rally in Nicaragua and if he had heard it would he have stayed at the rally. That was her first question for Sanders. Well how about asking since I was there how many people were raped Moore. Yeah I the controls this ridiculous both sides you know it was both sides and you know one of her sources was who who she asked whose opinion and she saw it was Otto Reich. Oh that's good. Yeah but that's a classic worthy and unworthy victims thing trump nails the whole class. CONTRAS were Were there were there. Were no okay. Let's Steele Matt Taibbi without so Matt Taibbi writes the Great Author Matt Taibbi Right now. You are great the author so you correctly point out that priests are being killed in Central America by death. Squads who are funded did by and backed by the United States and then a priest is murder and Poland at exact almost right at the same time. It's all the Great Marta that perfect illustration uh-huh worthy and unworthy victim. So we have that completely and then ember goes back and interviews one of the people who is doing. Pr Literally for the people murdering the priests. I mean he worked for the Reagan administration killing Pro Con pro-sandinista Stories and killing Anti Contra interest stories which they revive only they only care now. Because it's somehow tangentially connected to sanders in some way they still think that the Sandinistas or the back well let me tell you about the New York Times. There are no rules written on the side of the wall. But if you're an astute I you know careerist you very quickly figure. You're out what they want and what they don't and if you give them what they want you'll be rewarded and you know. The famous story is when they had the nine hundred sixty eight student takeover over at Columbia University and Abe Rosenthal got his butt up there as fast as I could to write about how they defiled or destroyed the books and the president's library stories like that you know that assured is rocketing the publisher who sat on the Board of Trustees Columbia. I mean so yeah it it's careerist and so when I was hired by the Times I most people get vetted at the institution for usually up to a decade before they become a foreign correspondent. Because I think because of the Arabic I got hired. I was only in New York for seven months overseas. So so they want. is they want before they send you out. They want to know that you've been domesticated right. Yeah and if you if you know that that's the whole and so those people who I mean you know Roger Cohen. I mean he's the perfect example. I mean they know exactly what what to say what the appropriate opinion is and the reliable. Yeah they're reliable to the power elites who run the paper and the power elites whom the hierarchy of the paper and alliance with one thing and someone is Segue to the work you've done since you've since he left the Times like your recent book America for a Farewell Tour. I think it's really interesting. We've talked before you look when you were doing. The reporting from Gaza talked about how. When you're there? There's just so many stories you just have to do it. It's like it's like it's so overflowing with stuff if you're in the right part of the world or almost anywhere in the world you can look in any direction and find a frontera worthy but now if you're here in America you just go to any any small town in this country and it's just you know wall-to-wall misery horror and somehow it's just not appearing on the news right you like essentially I feel like you're reporting now on poverty in this country is essentially the the same thing you were doing. Overseas accepts here in America. That's right. Yeah Yeah and but it doesn't. You're right I mean that's the lives of the majority of Americans are not reflected in the commercial media at all right and if you could glimpses of it we make fun of them right. That's it. They're being chased by COPS and that show on Jerry Jerry Springer and right now. They've slept with her cousin's daughter. Whatever it is you know what I mean that's it and so And you know you've written about them to and And so it's just you know. The vast majority of the American public who are really suffering are just cartoonish cartoon figures. I mean that's why I like your book on Eric Garner so much Who a flawed individual as we are and yet by the end you know your heart just breaks for him? I'm for his family. And for all the other Eric Garner's all the other people trapped in this system so it's a very frightening time because those voices are not being heard those experiences are not being imparted even the physical reality that they live in is not disseminated through images. Yeah right and the like for instance your story. I think her name was Christine. Pagano the won't be this like the thought that was interesting way to do that. Story talk talk about the OPIOID crisis. You just followed her whole progression right from just beginning to take a few pills here and there that's how it usually starts right and next thing we know you're in Atlantic City being stabbed and raped at the same time. But that's a it's such an affecting story and yet why don't why. Why isn't one of those? Oh stories on television basically every day right. I mean because it's a Downer Ambrose it's all about profit it's all about You know it's commercial. Well it's that I mean now it was bad enough when you had newspaper Empires hearst and everything else but now it's different now. You have like huge corporations rations Viacom or whatever and news is just one revenue stream of perhaps hundreds of revenue streams and that revenue stream competes. And if you can't compete your replaced which is how you get sucker on. CNN CNN is JUST ESPN for politicians. Right it could you know somebody said like Washington was Hollywood for ugly people. But it's the same story Ori because people who who don't know it sure I'm certain yes. Thank you talk about a little bit Christine gone away. I mean just the right so the book American Farewell Autour. It's based in the understanding by sociologist. Emile Dirk time is great book called on suicide where he he goes out in France and asks what is it that drives individuals or groups of people to engage in willfully self-destructive behavior and and he he says it's this rupture of social bonds. That's where we get the term enemy and that's of course what's happened. That's the route through the social bonds have been ruptured people feel. They don't have a place people feel. They don't have a future. People are forced to live without dignity and work is about dignity. You you talk about that in the Scranton chapter. It's not just about paying check. I yeah and and so at that point. People begin to engage in behavior. That is is suicidal. That's what the OPIOID crisis. That's what the addiction gambling is about. Suicide hate groups. Dark Time writes that people who seek the annihilation of others are always driven by feelings or desires for self annihilation and And so she was so so kind of lost or her father or stepfather. I can't remember slept with one of her high school classmate. She felt ostracized energy and starts taking pills next next thing no she becomes a heroin addict and and engages them prostitution and almost dies and numerous times. So Yeah that's but I mean you go to Ohio. I don't if you've been to I mean or southern West. Virginia I did a book with Joe Sacco called days. Destruction days revolt out of the poorest pockets of the United States. But we go to these old coal camps and it was like interviewing zombies. Everybody was Anoxia. I mean people. We interviewed thirty year old like two weeks later. They died. But that's like and that's is. That's what happens when you know. That's why George Bernard Shaw says the greatest crime is poverty and I've been all over the world. Poverty manifests itself in the same way. So we make you know what Malcolm called our internal attornal colonies poor people of color thrust into poverty. They engage in Baha self-destructive. Behavior that everybody who and now of course we're seeing ripple out with the white working class who've come next but it's all the same. It's all the same disease. Yeah right right Just a really unpopular take lately. It's it's become this taboo to kind of express any empathy towards the white working class among certain sectors. Obviously but you'RE I. There are a lot of the people who will say. Oh you're catering to racism which I think is a really dangerous narrative and I'm not excusing the behavior. First of all well know a a half of my family comes from the white working class in Maine. I mean gun racks. The whole bit engage. They would say they would. I mean they basically. They didn't like anybody who wasn't Protestant white and from mechanic falls. I mean the hated. All the people from Boston Jews. Catholics was a long list. I mean I I love them. They're my family but I kind of dealt with them too. I said go ahead. You can talk about gay people like that at home but not all right but the suffering offering Israel I mean you go up to these. Remember these towns in small towns in Maine from when I was a boy there gutted the banks are closed up it. There's one methamphetamine lab after another. It's it's really tragic and we do ourselves a great disservice by not acknowledging that suffering now why. Why is the white working class so dangerous? Because as the theorist of revolution crane Brinton Jeffrey Dave and others pointed out revolutions not caused by poverty. Revolution is caused by a significant section of the population who are thrust into dire circumstances and believe that they have no possibility ability for advancement that the expectations that they once had themselves children right off the. Yeah the gap between experts. And that's what and so. That's what we're seeing and the longer anger. The white working class is demonized. And the the real issues You you know I was in Anderson Indiana for the book so so big. GM Center and it's it's you know it's a wasteland. I mean they. They didn't just abandon the plants. They tore them down so these gigantic. We choke lots where they used to have these gigantic plants just behind cyclone fencing and the city's a death spiral and of course the opioid everything is and they all they all voted for Sanders in the primary they and old. UAW people they said okay. We know you're gonNA vote for trump but but vote the democratic sleep for the for. The state didn't even do that. They were going to vote for Clinton. I mean you know we talk about lies the the trump otherwise but the lies that did the most damage came home Clinton Obama and the Democratic Yeah and similarly. That's used doesn't anti sanders line. which is that? He appeals to some of the same people that trump does which is what makes you literally definitely electable but again there's such contempt. There's this expectation or or this demand that you just turn your backs on certain people and again. This isn't about you don't. You're not throwing anyone under the bus for the sake. Ah anyone else like when you acknowledge the causes of You know what we're finished. That book on the Christian right and I went in there with the prejudice of the the liberal class. Sure I kind of thought People Yahoos man I mean. I was at the creationist museum in Peterborough Kentucky. Where they had? I'm not making this up a reconstruction the garden of Eden Rex with a central because avenue to ride T.. Rex on it isn't there are no. They're not they're actually in the water and naked you position so you can't see her plastic breasts or anything and and the guy is saying. Well I'm sure you wonder why T.. Rex Yes has such a big teeth. It's it's because they use T. rex to open coconuts then. We went into the no art exhibit. And how did they get dinosaurs. Denison the article. No only put babies dinosaurs on the Kentucky Museum love from my favorite place so but I came away. I actually wrote my first chapter on. The book was called despair because the stories that these people endured the sexual assault domestic violence struggle with alcoholism awesome opioid everything bankruptcy victims were real. Thrust them into this world of magic. Jesus and by the end of the book I said Said if you want to break the back of this movement these people have to be reintegrated into the economy and the society otherwise forget it and of course. Now it's worse. Yeah even if you have no oh empathy just if you care you hear those stories I know but I I I think we all have it here table but even people who couldn't care less and who think that all these people people have like a full set of teeth per family. All these like stereotype. True Yeah even if they care about the victims of racism and sexism misogyny Ashaninka Phobia all the things. They claim to care about. Then they need to. We need to be addressed. Yeah but the important thing to remember. Is that these people are being used. I mean they're they're despair is being manipulated by these mega pastors who are white male millionaires. You know and people say well. How can the Evangelical Building Alliance with trump? I don't get it. These the only difference between these mega passers and trump at least from my reporting is that the sexual proclivities of the mega pastors probably care. But they're the same people right. Joel all Steinem easby largest scum. They are totally the same people right. It's it's actually the same legend of success following. Yeah he just talked about a sex life and they don't is there a feel like when i read your your stuff if now that is there like a studs terkel element to the to the mission that you're going essentially feel like you're feeling role of just relating what the actual experience of ordinary people are like. That's that's that's kind of a reporting that's been devalued journalism right what we should be doing what we should do. We should be lifted up. The voices who without us would not have a voice that for me is the fundamental definition of journalism. It's what you do. And it's why I admire your work and and we've forgotten that it's not about sitting around interviewing powerful people that's puts you in the role of courtier not a journalist so I kind of look at it as absolutely basic and fundamental to what it means to be a journalist but unfortunately that is you know a vision that has just just been completely marginalized within the media landscape. I mean the the the model now for being a reporter like what you just said. This really speaks to something that really bothers me. Is that it so emphasizes the closeness to high level sources. Right like that. Who that's the big stars are in the business now or the people who no eight people on the NSA in the White House or whatever it is and and that's your Daily News cycle is a continuous primaries? And they lie to you and you repeat the lies. I mean explain to me how hello journalism right and what you do on the one hand. It's simple right. You just walk outside basically right but you have to be able to have the ability due to empathize and connect and understand the forces that are behind everything and that. Isn't that the job. But it's fun. I mean I like reporting I find it. I enjoy it and I learn a lot and my own expectations get shattered. It keeps you intellectually fresh. I mean you're not living off of past capital you're forced to go out. I mean I'm writing a book now on prisons I teach in prisons in New Jersey. But I'm driving around and interviewing the kids interviewing reviewing the mothers in housing projects and Patterson everywhere else and A. Yeah you know we were talking before we went started the show about Russell Banks. I think. Probably America's greatest novelist but Russell. That's what keeps his stuff rash. He's constantly going out and he is. Last book was on the He read an article in Miami Boat. People a sex offender living under a bridge and he went down there with a notebook. And Yeah so right you do have to find find a way to look at the world from their point of view which is not always easy right but you but you seems like the prison experience of yours has really been accelerating love for you. I love those guys. Yeah you teach as well. I teach the rutgers so I teach in their program. Yeah we we've had you on for a while already just a couple of things. The has the business. Journalism changed at all in any fun in like in the last five years. So what what's what's your vision of how the The business works these days and especially the New York Times. It seems like they've even since you were there. They've they've changed their stodgy old ways a little bit if you had any insight into that. They've had a lot of it. Really interesting controversies in the last couple of years Including the release a vet that town hall with the Embeka and everything well. The Times has diminished organization. I mean it's always an elitist publication. Of course I think for me. The most disturbing thing is kind of what Gravitas at ad is gone. The book reviews awful the weaken relocated page. Where do they find these people? The Red Stevens can't even write much less. Think it's appalling. And and then they and then they kind of the tone is different. It's it's kind of times light. I think it And because it's lost that Gravitas It you you know. It spent two years slogging the whole Russia gate stuff which I don't WanNa keep quoting you pointed out I think is and I think you're right is probably more devastating than selling us the weapons of mass destruction in Iraq. So Yeah they're they're kind of morphine into MSNBC INTO PRINT MSNB my one of my favorite genres of New York Times coverage is the how do the Israelis feel about this violence that they're inflicting dot is sold old ad actually. Chris has some unique insights there because he used to talk about that. Well the way it works. So let's say I. I was in Gaza when Israel carried out air strikes against various various refugee camps and so out of Tel Aviv. Go surgical airstrike against a bomb. Well you you know this is like was great for me because I was there and I counted the bodies and I said no no. The whole street was destroyed. I mean it was within the narrow confines of American American journalism I could I could expose the Israelis lie the lie so but what they do is when you're writing about a particular salt old and this did not happen in other conflicts covered for the New York Times like Bosnian every other paragraph is the the Israeli Defence Force spokesperson. So off MED. It says his entire family was killed by well in Tel Aviv. Colonel What whoever says. That's just completely untrue. Marcus families perfectly fine or whatever I don't know. And so it's this kind of back and forth kaleidoscope we're kind of journalism and the end of it. You can believe whatever you WanNa believe but it it essentially mutes are dilute so effectively the truth now I did talk about a massacre in Bosnia Hausner was required to try and call Belgrade or or somewhere poly or something to get no. We didn't do it or whatever but but that was it. But that's not you watch. That's how that's how the New York Times will effectively disarm stories about atrocities ladies against Palestinians. Yet and then what can I ask one more question So we talked about how sanders brought up. Jeff Bezos not liking him. And maybe that's that's why he doesn't get a lot you know he goes after visas. Maybe that's why he doesn't get a lot of times is pretty awful talk to yes totally. But when he said that statement about Washington Post all these people were scandalized scandalized and said it was a conspiracy theory and we actually we played audio Of a woman reporter being like when you go after the standard that is the Washington Post and even Marty Baron himself says is a conspiracy theory. As if that's weird. He's like the first person who would say it's a conspiracy theory but the Mardi burn. Yeah the Mardi Barron. The person who's has a conflict of interest saying it's not a conspiracy theory but I think a lot of people don't understand how this kind of Narrative control works. I mean I don't know is it. Is it censorship soft censorship the way that people are are kind of either self. It's not it's not censorship what to the point I made before that you know what the paper wants and and you know when I worked at the times and you had Twelve hundred people. Who Work there you know? Eleven hundred and fifty new damn. Well what was good for their career. Look everybody who covers the middle. I'm I'm very outspoken against Israel but everybody covers the Middle East everyone there. They don't argue with any of my opinions. They will say in public because it's not good for the career right and in an institutions like the Times of the post higher primarily career. US Right. That's how you get there just how you advance and so they can have this kind of notion of impartiality activity in the truth and you know all this stuff you get fed on but that's not search. Well that was great. I mean you know what they say about the second time around with Chris. It's even better than what they say about the second time around Chris Edges right or excellent. Yeah Chris C. H.. Chris Touches Chris Hedges and THC THC the hedges. Chris T. C. H. Road. Okay Yeah I was just making sure you're on your toes and thanks for tuning in. Thanks for watching listening to useful idiots and we will see next week. 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"This sunday trade war and the economy another escalation is china poses retaliatory tariffs on the u._s. The president orders there's u._s. Companies out of china and the dow falls more than six hundred points having a spat with china and we'll win it. A world economy slowed by the trade. War is the backdrop for the g. Seven summit of world leaders and friends plus a head-spinning week of presidential pronouncements and reversals on a tax cut payroll roll taxes. I've been thinking about payroll taxes for a long time. I've looked at a tax cut now. We don't need it on gun background checks. We have to have meaningful background chat. We already have very serious background checks even on buying greenland. It's not number one in the burner. This is something that's been discussed for many years by guests this morning. Former republican governor bill well who is challenging president trump and trump critic turned ally club for growth president. David mcintosh also democratic dilemma isn't enough to run against the president's character and competence or do voters want a nominee who will radically transform washington. I think the biggest risk we take i'll talk to democratic candidate footage of indiana and team of rivals and unlikely group of former trump allies turn earn critics prepare to take on the president on the trail and on the air watching a full blown meltdown of the united states joining me for insight and analysis this is our washington post columnist eugene robinson betsy woodruff of the daily beast new york times columnist brad stevens and kristen solta sanderson columnist the washington examiner welcome to sunday. It's meet the press from n._b._c. News washington longest running show in television history. They did sunday morning for much of this week. We wondered whether we should take what president trump says seriously early anymore. By the end of the week we were reminded that the words and actions of the most powerful man in the world do have real world consequences in just the past few days. The president was not interested in buying greenland before he was so interested that he postponed a trip to denmark when the danes wouldn't sell on tax cuts. Mr trump was against new ones before he was for them before he was against them again. Stay with me on expanded background checks on guns. The president who is traditionally against them then was four them after el paso in dayton didn't against them reportedly after talking to the head of the n._r._a. Then apparently for them again but now maybe not. This is not a left right issue. It's a factor fiction issue but there was no denying the implications of what the president was saying and doing on friday both china and mr trump escalated the trade war that mr trump has initiated she aided the president flirting a bit with authoritarianism with this tweet directed at america's business community are great. American companies are hereby ordered to immediately start looking for an alternative to china the result of the president's tweets. The dow plunged more than six hundred points as the president headed off to france. I g seven meeting with world. Leaders who already nervously eyeing a slowing world economy threatened further by trade wars. Donald trump came into office promising to discard traditional alliances and practices and better worse. He is delivered on that promise but now real questions are being raised about whether the united states can continue to be counted on to provide the leadership. The world has come to expect from it since the end of the second world war tariffs coming in by the billion as president trump meets with the u._s. Allies anxious about slowing global economy his own volatility is raising questions about his ability to manage the world's largest one. The president is ratcheting up his trade war with china threatening to raise taxes on chinese goods presidents and administrations allow them to get away. We take you hundreds of billions of dollars every a year claiming sweeping emergency powers to quote here by order u._s. companies to cut ties with china in nineteen seventy seven. We had an act pass. A national emergency act the absolute right to do that and attacking the federal reserve chair. He appointed again tweeting. My only question is who is our bigger enemy jay powell or chairman you. I want him to resign. Let me put it this way if he did. I wouldn't stop them. Some of mr trump's own allies say the the president is increasingly worried about a recession and are concerned his own focus on the darkening picture could be self fulfilling the president himself. Just can't can't seem to stop talking about it. The word recession is a word that's inappropriate. We're very far from recession. The fake news of which many of your members is trying to convince the public to have a recession. Let's have a recession. You people wanna recession. Maybe that's the way to get trump out and the president's erotic style has been on full display on tuesday. He floated a tax cut payroll taxes something that we think about by wednesday. He said it was not on the table. I'm not looking at a tax cut now needed. We have a strong economy. He is using satanic language to describe himself. Somebody had to do it. I i am the chosen one. Somebody had to do it so i'm taking on china tweeting conspiracy theories and zigzagging basic policy this week reversing basing himself on guns. We can do meaningful very meaningful background checks. We have a lot of background checks right now and even on buying greenland after after claiming we may be going to denmark not for this reason at all on tuesday he canceled the trip saying based on the danish prime minister's comments that she would have no interest in discussing the purchase of greenland. The business community is wary. Just like another one way ticket on titanic and twenty twenty democrats are already taking advantage running on a return to stability. We're seeing the president of the united states has become more and more unhinged. We know so the words were president matter. They can move markets. I don't know what the president is thinking when he says he can just <hes> here by order companies to do this or that. We need an economy that actually actually works for all of us and joining me now from the g. Seven and france is n._b._c. News chief white house correspondent halley jackson and halley. I know this this white house. At times and republicans here in washington at times don't know exactly how to defend the president and and some of what he says any moment in time i know that the white house has had a hard time finding somebody to provide us for this show today and it may be because of misinterpretations of what the president may mean at any given point in time the president this morning asked about having second thoughts about china. I wanna play for what he said and then. I want you to explain what he really meant here. It is pretty sure monday's wealth the second thoughts about everything all right that certainly sounded after two followups that sounded like a president who at least was hearing the criticism he's been receiving from his fellow world leaders about this trade war but apparently he didn't mean what he said. That's according to the white house press secretary stephanie grisham that was big news that sound bite you displayed for about six hours here on the coast of france in biarritz that the president who rarely concedes regret on any topic seem to be signaling some kind of regret here but the white house's will wait a second not so fast that is being misinterpreted the press secretary saying the president's vince regret with actually that he was not tougher on china and at the terror were more stringent so inverting the way that many people read that moment in the room. You asked me to explain what the president meant there chuck. I can't tell you i can only look at what the president is saying and doing the issue here at the seven is that he's saying and doing things that are contradictory in this instance for example of these china tariffs and whether or not the president is having second thoughts. The white house seems to want it both ways in front of two different audience. This is a president chuck and and you know this who knows how to read the room and he is in a room now right and he was in that instance with other leaders who are gently pushing back on the issue of trade. He gets that and this is a president who at least for this trip does not want to be it seems the wrecking ball. That's different from what we've seen from other summits but in this instance the president wants to portray that everybody's going along to get along that the french president had hoped for a no drama sound that seems to be where the president wants the perception to be but at home the press secretary and the white house seemed to be sending a message that no no don't worry. This is still a tough commander in chief. This is still the guy who's going to put those tough tariffs on china. Hey we're still fighting for you. So within the span of about eight hours you have these two different messages produce unjustly topic which notable to me here chuck is we've seen these meetings unfold throughout the day is the pushback that the president is getting it is not tough pushback the cape the worst johnson and the president this morning very gentle he even said i'm going to make a sheep like noise here and tell you about my pushback. They know that they can't come out to strongly. Only against the president you also saw the same with prime minister shinzo abe of japan when president trump downplay those recent missile tests by north korea said he wasn't happy about them but also said they didn't violate kareem <unk> shinzo ave very quickly in the next breath came out and said well wait a second. No those missile tests do violate agreements and we have a problem with it all right holly jackson <hes> for us at the g seven halley. Thanks very much by the way and that same in these same boris johnson back and forth the president was asked about the discussion of bringing russia back into the asia and apparently the president said they had a bit of a disagreement on that and let go anyway halley. Thanks very much joining me now. Former governor bill well who was mounting mounting a long shot primary challenge president trump david mcintosh. He's the president of the conservative club for growth which spend money opposing candidate trump in two thousand sixteen but now apparently plans to support support him for reelection wanna welcome both of you governor well former congressman mcintosh comfortable. I want to start with you because this is what you said about not supporting a candidate trump back in two thousand sixteen. You said this year is different. This is when you guys were supporting ted cruz because there is a vast gulf between the two leading republican candidates on matters of economic liberty. Their records make clear that ted cruz is a consistent conservative who will fight to shrink the federal footprint. Well donald trump would seek to remake government government in his desired image summary that quote congressman and say you know what you were pretty oppression. That is what donald that some will say that is exactly what donald trump has done and chuck we were supporting reporting ted cruz then and in the middle of the campaign you mix it up but what we base our current position on is the results president trump has governed as a free pre-market conservative cutting taxes trying to get rid of obamacare deregulating their oil and energy industry deregulating the internet and it's working. The economy is still at two and a half three percent growth. That's a reversal from his predecessor unemployment at the lowest rate ever and you see more and more people the entering the workplace and getting higher. I wanna follow up something. You said you said he's governed is a free market conservative. I'm just lifting this directly from your website. The cost of protectionism largely totally born not by some foreign country but by american businesses consumers and taxpayers this was based on urinalysis clipper gross analysis of what for instance tariffs on the steel industry would do do how can you say he's governed as a free market conservative when he has been issuing tariffs left and right and the trade is a difficult issue <hes> bay ah you're struggling with this. The tariffs are attacks on the american people problem. I think you've got to step back and in fact what's going on at the g seven. This is explained explain same thing. It's the art of the deal and what we like about president. Trump's vision on trade is his goal of zero zero tariffs and we support that strongly family and i have come to recognize these tariffs are his way of forcing the chinese to come to the table. They're costly and we we want them to go away but he's using them to get to that. Ultimate goal of zero zero tariffs governor you've been thought it was a very moderate republican but where you align nine with the republican party over the last couple of decades always was on fiscal issues. You just heard congress macintosh. Make a case that the president is a free governing like a free market. Conservative is governing like a free market conservative in your mind <hes> he's not a small government guy at all where we're spending more on interest on the deficit now than we we are on national defense interest on the debt is the fourth largest item in the federal budget. Their spending money in washington like drunken sailors a trillion in dollar a year. Mr trump's budget admittedly a multi year budget but it added nine trillion dollars to the deficit three days ago. It went up another eight hundred hundred billion dollars. That's almost another trillion dollars. You can't keep doing that indefinitely. Every household in the united states every governor in the united states as mister mcintosh knows has to balance the budget by constitution or by necessity and my motto when i was in office is there's no such thing as government money. There's only tax payers. There's money well. They've forgotten that in washington led by the president and they think it's their money and it's not well governor though this only play devil's advocate about about the debt there have been folks like yourself and others who have been talking about that if this debt keeps increasing. It's going to be a drag on the economy. There hasn't been a drag on the economy yet why well it's gonna be a drag not just on the economy but on our national security because we're effectively relying on other countries countries to buy our treasury bills to get us out of this terrible deficit position. We're in order to forestall the united states going into bankruptcy and that's economics economics one. Oh one <hes> and so i it's just <hes> very much against the economic interest of the american people to keep going in this direction and everybody everybody who thinks about it. <hes> knows it furthermore. <hes> you know the president tax <hes> as you were pointing out earlier on every single issue in my view it no longer are matters what the president says because that may be his first thought of the moment or as i ramble or as first raving but you can be assured there'll be a second thought a third thought aforethought all of which are going to be different from the first thought comes from mcintosh that i i remember during the obama years. A lot of conservatives criticized the obama administration because hey you know all these big ideas you guys are talking about. It's creating instability in the business community. How is what the president's doing not. I mean it's clear the reason for the slow down is the business community is is suddenly nervous because they don't know how this trade wars going to turn out isn't this creating instability and as i mentioned earlier the key to understanding this is reading donald trump's book the art of the deal where yes things are going to change you get the i want to be your friend. I wanna work with you donald trump when he's trying to push towards the deal when the deal breaks apart you get the donald trump. I'm gonna impose lizzy gotten. Where's this work. I mean this. This art of the deal thing gets thrown out there a lot. Where's this actually really worked. He doesn't have an infrastructure deal. He didn't new healthcare. He doesn't have a new deal with china. It hadn't worked yet. It worked on replacing nafta and that was a successful we'd it had this yeah and the only blocking that is ansi pelosi and the democrats in the house. What did what did nafta literally after two point. Oh you didn't really change them old. Hold a better deal for the u._s. In the president's eyes and it's an example of how the art of the deal worked. I think the key thing for donald trump is to show that he's got a vision for the second term and to continue with another round of tax cuts and he's deciding which way he wants to go on that right. We're going to urge one that is for small businesses to give the pass through the same tax. Break the corporates to governor weld. You're obviously challenging the president of primary you don't think he deserves renomination shen. If you don't get the nomination does he deserve reelection absolutely not let let me just say i think president trump does have a vision for the second term and it's what steve bannon bannon. His political robespierre says he says if president trump is reelected. You're going to see four years of unadulterated unrequited payback. Mr mr trump is going to pay back all his enemy payback for what it's just. It's another example of his extreme malignant narcissism. He's he's only happy when other people are losing. It's not enough for him to win. He makes sure his vendors get paid five and ten cents on the dollar why he and his rich banker friends walk off with hundreds the millions of dollars. That's just reputation in new york new york new jersey as one of the most dishonest businessmen in the area governor. You're the first republican to jump in. A bunch of other. Republicans are thinking about it. Any of these other republicans would convince you to get out and support them not to get up but i'm thrilled about joe walsh and mark sanford getting getting in. I think that's terrific and it's going to be a more robust conversation. Who knows the networks might even cover republican primary debates they can ill afford to say they cover only democrats but i'm looking forward to both those fellas getting in and i hope <hes> more as well it can only contribute to more robust dialogue and that'll be good for for the country. We need to assemble rational people. You know sure a crazed president. <hes> <hes> makes the stock market. Go down but that doesn't mean we have to like it all right well governor well well congressman mcintosh. I think we show that we can have a disagreements without sounding disagreeable with each other. Thank you both for sharing morning. Thank thank you check good to be with you later. This hour pete buddha joins me live and when we come back the economy has been the president's strongest selling point for reelection could his signature issue become reliability panelists next new for meet the press chuck todd cast. It's an insider's take on politics the twenty twenty election and more candid conversations with some of my favorite reporters about things we usually discuss off camera listen for free. Wherever you get your podcast welcome back the panelists here washington post columnist eugene robinson christian soldiers anderson for the washington examiner betsy woodruff political reporter order for the daily beast and new york times columnist bret stevens. Welcome to you all <hes>. I think the best way to set up. This conversation is i'm gonna i want to read for you. Andrew sullivan's taken eric erikson's take on the president this week they both agree on one thing that the president had erratic behavior and that's as far as they get here is andrew sullivan. If you can begin to engage this bizarre dangerous arranged an ignorant stream of consciousness and try to discern some kind of logic or pattern. Your brain will break. Here's irks. I'd rather have a president whose behavior makes other people feel comfortable being braying jackasses then a democrat who wants to take away my healthcare while giving health care to illegal aliens. The president may be nuts in his behavior but i'll take his crazy over the insanity. The democrats would unleash on the united states red stevens. I feel like that that it's an interesting the eric ericson rationale. I thought i heard a little bit of that rationale in d- mister mcintosh's extraordinarily manichean. I mean let's let's see who the democrats a a wind up wind up nominating the real issue for for republicans simply to call out the fact that the president does not stand in any way for the <hes> traditional conservative economic principles that have defined the party for the better part of the last seventy years. They don't even stand never mind the economic principles wrodwar principles of character. I mean what what we saw over. The last few days is a president who is either mentally unwell or morally unfit. Maybe both i don't know but it's important born to simply. Call these things as we as we see them. You have behavior that is unprecedented in any kind of presidential oh history in the united states or frankly elsewhere so when i hear guys like eric's wow you know this is at the end of the day. This is a choice. I'd actually rather have a candidate debate on the democratic side who at least doesn't scare me every single every single morning. I feel like this entire debate of the twenty twenty campaign just right there that's right and part of what's going on in the background as the president's comments about particularly china trade unfolded over the last week. Is that the way the united states government thinks about our relationship asian with china has changed dramatically right now. I can tell you that white house officials think it's less and less likely the u._s. will actually reach a trade deal with china and rather is going to lurch from a truce truce postponing tariffs postponing punitive action. That's because within the ill always hang over there. That's because in the background in the white house and the the intelligence community they see china first and foremost as a national security concern rather than as an economic concern and that's where voters come down to this question as well. <hes> pew research center has been studying american views on china for the last decade and a half. We're record high levels of americans saying that they have an unfavorable view of china and most of that's actually driven not bhai economic concerns in the poll. Most people say they're okay with china being economically strong. It's national security concerns that our chief and this is why i think the president is able even in the midst most of what feels like complete chaos in terms of the trade issue to have a little bit of latitude there were his economic job approval remains about eight to ten points higher than his overall overall job approval but it's going down and it and it should be at look at the real world results of donald trump's erratic behavior whether through mental deficiency or moral deficiency or some combination thereof look look at your 4._0._1._k. Today go on it. Go online right now and look at it and see what happened to it on friday. I chose. I'm not i'm not gonna. I'm not going there either but it's it's extraordinary and when i hear people like the congressman talk about you know the art of the deal you know donald trump didn't write a word of that book including the title driven by tony schwartz with through my what to school. He wrote the whole one wonders. If donald trump is read it but what has it gotten the united states it has it has made no aw agreements it has gotten us nowhere and so this idea that there's this sort of master player of four dimensional chess who's sir i will say this. The only is not true. The only thing i will say to people if there's one thing you've got understand about. Donald trump has said he doesn't believe anything's on the level and i do think that that is i mean. He doesn't believe anything's on the level whether it's the press whether it's the government he's always believed he doesn't believe anything on the level including a conversation he will have with somebody who's an ally library and i was just saying this is a big piece of his economic messaging at the moment which is he's got to juggle both touting what he believes very strong economy trying to keep those economic job approval numbers hi well sort of laying the groundwork for if this begins to fall apart to be able to say it's the feds fault. It's china's fault. It's congress's fault for not passing minute nasmyth classic autocratic autocratic strategy. When your economy goes south you blame speculators you blame the media you blame someone else but this one of the problems i have with a lot of certainly conservative apologetic for trump is they always say you have to separate the signal from the noise and the reality of the trump presidency is the noise is the signal and and and it's dangerous we are blundering our way into a contest with with the chinese. That's not about national security. It's a contest of face between two leaders who see themselves as essentially supreme supreme leaders and for which neither of them is easily going to back down. We ended up at a war in in world war two in part because we were trying to impose an economic embargo on japan. These things have a precedent and they're and they're worried we should be worried about china but trying to wage a trade war with a bit with no outcome. Insight is going to have consequences. These questions of signals noise and art of the deal are going to be front of mind at the g seven and this is something that white house officials a really desperate for keep an eye out for some sort of announcement or conversation about bilateral trade deal with the u._k. The white house would love to say that they're going to be sort of throwing some sort of assistance to boris johnson. He's negotiating to leave the european union toward the end of october as far as this question of national security and how that affects the united states trade relationship with china. It's an existential issue for the u. S. china relationship arguably the most important relationship in the world and for white house officials right now. They see this as incredibly origin. They believe that the unit that china is in danger of overreaching in hong kong. They're worried about concerns of overreach in taiwan. The navy spends a huge percentage of its budget on activity in the south south china sea and for trump and his aides to navigate that is increasingly complex for what it's worth. This is a weak that we saw and while it's sort of a motley crew of of of trump opponents on the right. They're starting to percolate <hes> we we had one and bill well. Here's a few others that may challenge them in a primary a friend calls that god's clear calendar for reason. I know what it is. You need to primarily the president i'm like. Are you completely. Here's the deal. This guy isn't fit for office office. Every time he opens his mouth. He tells a lie. We're watching a full blown. Meltdown of the of the united states. He has been melting down like a nuclear reactor now. Joe walsh was one of the three people in there by the way he's actually officially announced. This is a guy who's who at one time tweeted if trump didn't win grab a musket yup. Would you see the people that have turned on this president. You start to wonder. Is it going to happen. Impact actually of the of the three the more significant in terms of public opinion might be scaramucci mucci accidentally because people know him in the mood and he's come out in a new yorker fashion gone all in on on the sort of trump is crazy line in this very interesting at at this g seven how the pushback from other leaders is coming. It's it's very gentle very measured but <hes> but it's definitely there week is it now. It's week but it's it's it's. Let's just get through this. It's you know it is the six plus one at this point and bilateral deal with the u._k. They hitting out something that is going nowhere in in the house of representatives according to pelosi unless the ireland issue was settled and it won't be settled with a with a nobile that might come on the u._k. Would be almost entirely entirely symbolic but for the white house even symbolic witness something. They're desperate for right now well. They think they're doing johnson a favor but i think in his negotiations whether that's true or not. I think it's it's unclear when we come back. Democrats are debating how to take on president. Trump will running against the president on character and competence be enough or we'll democratic voters expect to be inspired by some big transformative ideas not just as joe biden said so bluntly this week to swallow a little bit buddha. Jr is next welcome back. Democratic presidential candidates face their own dilemma. Do they argue that. Whatever differences voters have with them. President trump needs to go because he's unfit for office. Essentially the biden message or as restoration and preservation of the obama legacy simply not enough should the right response to the election chian of trump be to campaign on new and boulder ideas. Mayor pete joins me now from freedom new hampshire mayor booted. It's good to see you again again and let me just dive right into that question but ask it this way. This was a week where the president certainly had some erratic moments back as you know. Many voters have that safe harbor mentality <hes> especially during weeks like this. This strikes me as particularly challenging being for any candidate not named joe biden any candidate. That wasn't a former vice president. How do you talk to those voters well. I guess what i would say is this the the president is certainly a problem a big one but he's not the only problem. Ask yourself. How a guy like this ever got within cheating distance of the oval office in the first place i would argue that doesn't happen unless the country's already in a kind of crisis and we see it in the fact that for pretty much as long as i've been alive even when the economy has been growing and quickly most americans haven't been getting ahead one of many reasons why in places like the industrial midwest where i live back to normal is not going going to be a good enough message because normal was not good enough of course there are huge problems with president especially now. We're not even debating whether the president is telling the truth or making sense we're just debating whether it matters when he doesn't and it does matter as you can see by the way he has created turmoil in global markets with his words but even so getting rid of the president is not enough. We need to replace this presidency with something better that actually works for americans or somebody even more unstable could would gain power and emerging our politics in the future well as you know the counter. The argument is going to be well. We the trump was a big risk. Trump was somebody would never tried before. You're you're asking voters to take a big risk. In that sense to it is i i. I i understand exactly the the message. You're trying to send their there but that is the other side of that message. Which is we'll wait a minute. He was new and different your new and different. There's some very different versions of what new and different my presidency will be about making sure. Americans can actually get ahead when we have a rising tide it actually lifts all boats votes in addition to restoring american credibility around the world. We need to explain what we're going to do to make your life better and the less we're talking about him. The more we're talking about <hes> you good news is this is winning turf for democrats. Remember the american people broadly speaking agree with us on wages agree with us on healthcare agree with us for sure on on gun safety <hes> when it comes to the things that are actually going to decide whether your kid is safe at school whether your income is going up whether your healthcare is secure whether there's a good outlook in your we're everyday life. That's a winning message for us and we need to explain what we're going to do on that out with the old compelling though it is is not a complete message. I want to talk about <hes> some national security issues because i think as political pointed out earlier this week democrats aren't gonna just be able to unwind the trump foreign policy. If you are going to try to put it put it back. I mean look if you're if you're in favor of a two-state solution with the israelis and the palestinians that feels like that's taken ten or fifteen steps back no matter who the next president it is did it with china or other countries not sure okay. They can cut a deal with this president but given what happened with the last president. How can i trust this deal. How much harder is it going to be for the next president to do any sort of trade pack or multi multi-country pack and how do you reassure these countries of that. If you're president my focus is president will be restoring u._s. Credibility by pulling together in the name of values that are american values that our country at its best has upheld advanced but are also universal shared values that means standing with the people of hong kong when they're insisting on democracy it means leading on climate diplomacy remember part of the u._s. Isolation on display this week is that at the g seven you have world leaders coming coming together among other things talking about what they're going to do on climate and you've got an american president who doesn't even believe it's a problem the u._s. could be restoring our credibility by leading the world in facing facing some of the biggest challenges we have from issues like climate to stability in the global economy to advancing human rights and democracy to things like <hes> dealing with terrorists threats from islamist extremism or from the rising tide of white nationalist violence that is a problem not only here in the united states but around the world. Let's dive straight into china your president you've got these. You're going to inherit. Perhaps a bunch of tariffs that are been slapped on china is your initial instinct to <music> remove all the tariffs and then try to start anew with china and would you use the issue of hong kong as part harder than in any trade pack. Well certainly the people of hong kong need to know that we stand with them and china needs to know that if they're going to perpetrate trait a repeat of tiananmen they will be isolated from the democratic world that being said we can find areas of cooperation from climate to security to trade it just has to be something that actually works for americans now obviously the current strategy. I'm not even sure you can call it a strategy. Let's say the current pattern of poking china in the eye with tariffs and seeing what will happen isn't working. It is crushing american soybean farmers other farmers in american consumers. You know we are already estimated to be paying five five hundred thousand dollars more americans this year because of this trade war. I don't know where we're supposed to get that kind of money. President says he's gonna delay. Some of it. Till christmas is but what are we supposed to do. After christmas. My focus in terms of china strategy will be identifying areas of mutual advantage and holding them accountable for the problems problems that we've seen created by currency manipulation just realize that they're not going to change their fundamental economic model and because we poked them with a few tariffs that's why are the the alternate way to stay ahead of china is to invest in our domestic competitiveness and unfortunately we're doing the reverse underinvesting everything from education to infrastructure here at home. President president obama thought one of the ways to confront china was to create an asian pacific trade pack. I know t._p._p. Became this sort of red herring. If you will or litmus test among democratic arctic primary voters let me ask you a question of it this way i know where you stand on teepee but putting together a non china asian pacific alliance is that the best way to confront china. It's certainly part of how we can set global economic cooperation on terms that makes sense for us instead dead of allowing them to be dictated by china the problem with t._p._p. Had to do with the fact that basic standards that we have on corporate governance and environmental and labor expectations expectations weren't being met. Yes we can do it but again. The fundamental way to stay ahead of china is to invest in our own competitiveness. They're investing billions more and artificial intelligence. According to a national strategy then we are then there is a very strong likelihood that they will be running circles around us by the time. I have kids who are old enough to vote. I don't want to the art official intelligence in the world being led by china knowing that their vision is about using technology for the perfection of dictatorship very different from how these things will work in american hands. We've got to invest in the future and do it in a way that his ass systematic or more as the chinese. I don't think anybody believes that. This administration's approach on anything right now is systematic. Let me make the final question about the state of your campaign took off like a rocket ship. Obviously obviously like you know these things ebb and flow and i know that but if what do you say to your supporters who were saying okay when are you're gonna take off like a rocket ship again. How much patients should they have. A lotta people are starting to ask okay. Is this a campaign to prepare to run for president another other time it is not i'm in it to win and you don't do something like run for president. At least i don't unless you are aiming to go all the way we we have exceeded every expectation from the beginning of this campaign when we started with literally four people in a room in south bend in january and a mailing lists smaller than most congressional campaigns where we are now is that we have arrived in the top tier of candidates but this is where you really see how much this is a distance run and knowing that so much has decided in literally the last few days of the caucus and primary campaigns. We've got to make sure the stretch from now until then that key six months or so where the unglamorous work is happening organizers on the ground building. The relationships are going to build this campaign. That's our focus even as they're these <hes> day to day ups and downs are are you a there's been a lot of hand wringing over the d._n._c.'s handling of the debate process and the creek and what it takes to me not meet it <hes> how you feel feel about how the dnc has handled this. You know it's mission impossible to set up a debate structure that everybody can agree on and be happy with what i know is that each the debate represents an opportunity for our campaign to present our vision for me to explain why my presidency would be different why my approach on healthcare makes more more sense. Why what i will do with the u._s. In the world as president is the right way forward and we're going to focus on our plan work the plan and accept the rules as they come to mayor people coming to us from freedom new hampshire. I have to say i had not. I thought i had known every single town in new hampshire. I think this is the first time we've had a dateline from freedom hampshire sure anyway people stay safe out here. Yeah stay safe on the trail and thanks for coming on us when we come back. President trump keeps saying the economy is in great shape. The sizes aren't so sure well. Why the pessimists that'd be right this time. That's next welcome back data download time. President trump has been cheerleading the economy at election rallies and press availabilities but new numbers suggest s. that beneath the public optimism the economy is not as strong as mr trump suggest more importantly. It may not be as strong as it ever had been touted this week. We learned that job. Creation numbers reported by the labor department. We're off like way off by about twenty percent. Two million jobs were created between april two thousand eighteen in march twenty nine hundred dollars. That's five hundred thousand fewer jobs than the estimates originally showed in fact those estimates were also off when it comes to our gross domestic product g._d._p. Figures originally showed that the economy grew at three percent in two thousand eighteen but it turns out it was much more tepid two point five percent. That's still decent recent but it's not the three percent cheerleading that president trump promised the estimates twenty nineteen two point three and the forecast for twenty twenty. She is only two point one percent and despite the cheerleading from the president americans aren't feeling all that optimistic consumer sentiment which is about how people feel about the economy dropped six percentage points from july to august the lowest. It's been by the way since january and it mirrors trend. We've been seeing an other important indicators in the last six six months one number that might be particularly concerning for this white house manufacturing declined in august. Why is this important. It's the first time that production has shown a contraction and almost a decade plus. Thousands of jobs have been lost in wisconsin michigan and pennsylvania since february three pretty important states so when it comes to the economy perception is almost as important as the reality if consumers think the economy had trouble they're less likely to spend money which could lead leap to actual trouble for the economy and economic trouble would be bad news for all americans and president trump's reelection argument in twenty twenty as well when we come back three three more democrats dropped out of the presidential race this week and it's still the largest field in history now. A handful of republicans are eyeing longshot fits. The may make the field meals even bigger again. Endgame is next back back now with endgame the democratic debate over electability. I'm gonna pit jill. Biden here versus the democratic field. Here's joe biden on the case for supporting her husband. Your candidate might be federal healthcare than joe is but you've got to look at who's going to win this election election and maybe you have to swallow a little bit and say okay. I personally like soto better but your bottom line. It has to be that we have well. It's a tough message to combat but here's how his fellow primary trying. They don't need someone. I'm one to say. Let's just turn back the clock. They don't need someone to say. It's all just too hard. They need a leader who is not afraid. The next leader of our party can't be someone that is a safe bet. I think the biggest risk we take is to try to play jane any well. Okay so you listen to all those candidates and they would all tell you it's early it's still early and and by the turn you don't standards of our elections. It's not actually that early but this time it is because joe biden is the clear front runner and people have questions about him. He's he hasn't uh really made the sale with enough of the party. I think everybody's comfortable with joe biden but they have questions about his. You know about his ability going going forward. He's still sort of leads on the electability question very important to democrats but i think there's a sense that he could falter the and then someone else would have to rise. We don't know who that is at this but joe biden can be right and still be wrong about her husband. That is to say the central question. Shen for democrats is nominating someone who is electable who isn't going to scare off. Those voters who democrat desperately needs is that you essentially those. Does it basically republicans who don't like trump no look. I think it's a lot of voters who have voted for bill. Clinton voted for george. W bush voted for barack obama yeah. I think it's actually a fairly wide sway the people at one of the things i found i mean i think every people like mayor pete and and elizabeth warren and so on are are saying you know we have to be change agents because really there. This is a primary fight against joe biden sort of the incumbent front runner but the democrat democrat who's going to win is going to have to communicate to the american people a sense of sanity balanced that they're not there to change the system but to reform the system. That's is going to be the winning ticket. It just won't necessarily be vice. President by the democrats also can have to excite the democratic base have to bring the democratic base out and there are two schools of thought doc within the democratic party about this one is trump is an emergency and we can't take any risks and we need to go safe and that's the jill biden argument the other that democrats will make privately although perhaps not publicly is that the democratic party could nominate and edible arrangement and it would beat donald trump. That's the kind of thing you're a lot more. People in the democratic could excite that quietly do believe this. This especially really turned this week and this is part of the difference between the elizabeth warren bernie sanders message and the joe biden message biden his arguing. That trump is the problem. Sanders warrants and other progressive candidates are arguing. That trump is a symptom of a larger problem in your party christian for years ago. There was this debate about. Oh you gotta find somebody that can beat hillary clinton and there were quietly. A bunch of republican strategist says no it doesn't matter anybody's going to be able to beat her and it turned out anybody did it. Well and i think the real question here is democrats trying to choose someone to contrast trump. Do you pick someone that fights trump sort of on the same type of terms trump likes to fight on somebody. Who's is going to be bold. Someone who's going to be a fighter or do you try to nominate someone who answers the question. What do americans want who've what to stop thinking about the president every day <hes> and so oh do you as the democratic party you know we've talked about kenny nominate as you put it in edible arrangement and he would beat donald trump. I wonder can democrats nominate somebody who in any other year would not excite the progressive base but because they're running against donald trump and it is a binary choice that progressive base if donald trump is not vulnerable than wire are twenty plus the republican running but i have to say i gotta play this joe biden et. He's using polling. I've never seen a front runner do this before using polling alling to make his case watch we know in our bones. This election is different. The stakes are higher the threat moore series. We have to be donald donald trump and all the polls greed joe. Biden is the strongest democrat to do the job bread. I keep bringing this up again. I just you that you normally don't talk about polls. You don't talk about it. Only the one on the only that matters is the one argument because the moment binding goes south any pool case wait biden which edible it just happens sometimes even an outlier poll but it's inevitable. It's a poor strategy by him. I mean he should be talking about his pulling. He should be talking to you about his experiences. Reliability polity has decency the fact that he's met every world leader the fact that he's known on the world stage a an ad like this. I think is poisoned for everything to keep in mind and you've seen these ballot test match ups that actually the trump versus bernie sanders and trump versus elizabeth warren matchups. Don't actually look that much different in the numbers. We've got a long way to go till next november but it's way too soon i think for anybody to really claim the truly big the edible arrangement trump only get thirty eight and thirty nine against as well right now. I mean it's his numbers his numbers the same against against whatever democrat you put up there. It's the democratic number changes. The democrats are going to be able to argue look. There's going to be an influx of fundraising support as kristen said said the democratic base and they believe energized no matter what just by the fact that trump's in the white house and that number of random democrat versus trump they're gonna say is strong enough for them that <hes> that the biden may not be quick. Gene is a week like this make it that much harder for people to which you know meaning a week like trump's eroticism becomes the oh my god. The risky because is to new mayor small town is that is that how yeah maybe i don't know you know he'd. He certainly comes across very different for donald trump and and i i actually think he's been on the scene as a candidate long enough enough number who've gotten used to it's so younger than on well macron was when he became president of france. It's an excellent point. Which is i think think he's our first millennial world leader anyway. Thank you guys. What a great round table for <hes> this week. That's all we have today. 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What's the first thing college element. I knew something like that. But you're all kinda was good players. That's like me saying like okay. Williams or justin blackmon. Who justin. Black chris chambers. Ah why do that to me. And i love martine matiz. My guy just say hurry bad charlie. Rogers i hear you. Can we move on aaron. Dobson i mean. Could we keep going through via disrespectful. Ben started jay last word. I guess on this going gonna watch totting cameron dollar unlike that come on. Let's go toby okay so key. He's gonna watch. Tom and jerry and shutout matina if you have some time later watch the flintstones basketball fan to get him and him and zach randolph. And jason. richardson right. Charlie bell the whole thing so you guys are talking about facts. Yesterday there was a story put out with some breathtaking facts a breathtakingly detailed yesterday on the mutual dissatisfaction. That exists between the seahawks and russell wilson russell wilson and the seahawks. It all came to a crescendo. The most salient thing to come out of the piece was a story that was told that before. The seahawks played the cardinals on thursday night football this year. Back on november nineteen th the week of the game russell. Wilson walked in the seahawks. Were struggling after the first five. Hundred start in franchise history. He had some suggestions on how to fix their offense and those suggestions were dismissed. And then wilson stormed out of the room and then that got on social media and started his own storm. Adam schefter started to do some reporting. We found out through his agent. Wilson's agent mark. Rogers that russell is not demanding a trade but add did say. This is important to remember that. Russell wilson much like shawn watson a no trade clause if he were to consider a trade handful hero the handful of teams. You would look at well. Russell wilson would like to remain in seattle. He does have a no trade clause and he has told the seahawks that. If you're gonna trade me here are the four teams. That i'm open to being traded to the dallas cowboys the new orleans saints. The chicago bears. The las vegas raiders. And so while he's not demanding trait. He's leaving open the idea of a trade and even that gets the going and gets the attention of executives across the league key. What do we make this. We've got almost twenty hours to digest all this. What are we making to know what that means. I'm not. I'm giving you a list of teams. But i'm not asking to be traded. I don't even know like either you or you not want you just. It's okay. i want to be traded. Y'all not listening to me. Even though they have listened to him because they fired a shot in heimer. Who's the office coordinator. They fired him at the end of the year so when he stormed into the room he was talking to brian schottenheimer. Who was the offense coordinator at the time. We need to fix this. This is ridiculous. They fired him at the end of the year. So they are listening to you like what to me. It just seems like russell is trying to find his footing amongst the nfl. Quarterbacks that have some demands the aaron rodgers the shine watson like. he's trying to be cool or something like he wants to be accepted as i got power like they already listening to you. Dog they get it. You wanted a big time receiver. They went out and got metcalf. You want a running back. They went and tried to help you out with marshawn lynch second time third time. They got other backs. I'd just. I don't know what to say. What is he doing. what are you like. What is it that you tried to accomplish here because if you want to be traded just say i want to be traded. It's a power play key. It's the power play. Run the offense. The way i want to run off into our want to go somewhere else but i'm not going to tell you i want to go somewhere else but in case i do go somewhere else. Here are my where i can go. So it's a power play with carol by saying okay. You want to run the football. You went to play this traditional style. I want to play this style. Either we're gonna play your style. We're gonna play my style. That's what it feels like to me. But it's interesting to me because knowing not knowing knowing russell being around him. This doesn't seem like the personality of rest to me. I don't know russ is done a lot over the last couple months key if it's beyond the cover g. q. With sierra if it's sit at the super bowl where roger goodell. Ncaa are where he looks. Miserable the whole time. You're talking to roger goodell him. Plus it feels like there's this coming of age for us and his power couple relationship where it's like. Hey it's going to be my way or if it's not i want to be somewhere else even though you're not willing you're not saying that you want to train me. I'm going to say here my options. Even though i really don't want to be treated look seattle. The seahawks they love russell wilson. They like russell wilson at the quarterback spy but if there's a better option out there for them i'm sure that they would explore that alette russell go on about his business because even though he won a super bowl in the minds of everybody in seattle it was the defense even though he took them again to a second super bowl in the minds of everybody. That was the defense against the new england patriots. He threw the interception at the end of the game. Remember there's a lot people that played in seattle that never felt russell wilson to begin with p carroll a cater to russell wilson in alienated a lot of guys on the other side of the ball as well as guys on the offense side of the ball by how they treated him. And then as you could see over the last couple years. They've tried to move their offense into a passing kind of russell. We're going to let you do with others. Have done in this league to see where it goes. P caring office aside decided to shift the second half of the season. Two more of what. Pete wants to do which is run the football play dominate defense. They went out and traded for defensive players upgrade. The defense jamal adams. They decided to add in the equation because they didn't want play cook russell football anymore because they realized that was not going to be long term winning football in so this is where they're at now with the situation again. If something comes that's better. You must believe that they're going to explore that opportunity. Yeah and i would just say if you look at the peace and it's a tremendous piece. There are plenty of examples within the. Pc's the piece that essentially grievances right that we have been basing this entire story around there some incredible examples of how they tried to move on. Or we're looking to upgrade the position whether it was trading with cleveland for the first overall pick in two thousand eighteen possibly even looking at patrick mahomes had fallen that far in the draft. Seattle eighteen thick last. Go around in that. Two thousand seventeen hundred. I just want to say one thing. Is maybe just a sportscenter guy thing. So when russell wilson accepted the nfl. Walter payton man of the year award which is given to people that do great charity work and our great on the field. It's a political. It's like republicans and democrats coming together to just honor a man or woman who's on great stuff for the country and let's just get each other's throats tomorrow. Can we just at least do something for this person today. That's an apolitical event. It was the first time in a long long time. Almost maybe ever when he was finished with zoom press conference talking to the media about the walter payton man the year award where he didn't drop the go. Hawks sounds like a silly stupid little thing. But that's the one time he ends every press conference with go hawks no matter what. It was the one time in an event like this would. He chose not to invoke it. I'm probably over thinking it. I've been accused of over analyzing things guilty as charged but there is something there. This is not a bitter contract story. This is a walter payton man of the year story and he didn't give the go hawks after all of that work was done in the pacific northwest and on the way this meeting between russ and the seahawks that they didn't go well the storm out. How about the meeting last week. Between watson and the texans would you trade watson for wilson and keys willing to trade wilson for the right guy. Who's the right guy. Or what you all say what you want to seattle seahawks do trade you what they need to do from flare acquisition standpoint seattle seahawks neck superbowl. Someone's going to have to go. This is john. Jay williams zubin do own or rent your home you do and i bet it can be hard work you know. It's easy bundling policies with geico. Geico makes it easy to bundle your homeowner's or renter's insurance along with your auto policy. It's a good thing too because you already have so much to do around your home. Go to geico dot com. Get a quote and see how much you could save. Its geico easy. Visit geico dot com. Today that's geiko dot com john. Jay willing subic the podcast muni. You're probably getting your w. two here in the mail any day now. We're probably have gotten it. W times to wilson and watson and where their futures like sean james zubin presented by progressive insurance. The guys are rocking out on a friday. Nosy gear key. You know what. I'm hearing later tonight. He watching tom and jerry. After hearing your role in this and then the family flick to end the night all right. How is it going to end for deshaun watson first things first though little bit more on the russel wilson tip. We're going to talk about watson and his insistence that he's not going to play the texans. It's part of our quarterback question this morning on the twitter line or on the phone line however you prefer what. Nfl quarterback is untouchable russ's on the market there. Even rumblings about aaron rodgers which obviously put to bed but which. Nfl quarterback is untouchable. If guys like watson and wilson understanding watson is more of his own volition are available. Hit us up in an espn eight. Eight seven nine. Three seven seven six. Jay z on twitter. Who's untouchable watson in the second. You said speaking that. For russell wilson icon of the pacific northwest not just seattle if the right guy quote unquote right guy was available key would make a move in a heartbeat to move out russell wilson but the question is who is that guy i would. I wouldn't hesitate to to move russell wilson. If if somebody like design was available. Even i would even look at a guy like sam darnold if he becomes available to the point where the jets will be willing to take russell wilson back and we can figure out the compensation on those sorts of things. Because what i'm looking to do. If i'm pete carroll and i'm snyder general manager is i'm looking to continue to play defense. Run the football in every now. And then i'm gonna hit some explosive throws that's it that's what they wanna do. They don't want to throw the ball fifty five times a game. They're not asking to throw the ball. And i know when you look at it. Everybody all do russell this russell at. It's like no man you gotta see. Who's winning these super bowls in how they're doing it. They're not doing it. Throwing the ball all over the they're doing it by having balanced in playing defense and so based on everything that seattle has gone through to our russes. Career is at a point now. I think we're pete. Some of the people within that organization is growing tired of russell's act to a point where it's like. Okay man you know what we could find a quarterback that fits us exactly like we've found you. We really believe that. And they believe that because if you look at the second half of the season last year when they went back to seattle style of the past started winning football games again when he had that stretch of turning the ball over because it would throw throwing the ball so much in offers. A line was horrible. Yes that's true yeah. Offers ally was not great but he was holding onto the ball. An awful lot and so when you start to put all that together. It's like we'll come on us. You know you look at it. And it's like well. You know. I i could get away with another type of quarterback could give me some of the same things out the money and with all the headache. Hose onto the ball a little bit but still like he's on pace to be the most sacked quarterback in the history of the nfl right. He's been sacked four hundred times over his nine year career switching times a year. I hear your key. But i'm saying if you have ruskin have the perfect world scenario sean. Payton online one. I want to go to the saints. I don't know why he gave the other three options. If you're going to send me some. If i do not want to be here. Find a way to make it work with a team. That is ready to win the super bowl not not in two years not in three years but yesterday. And that's a new orleans saints. And i know that jameis winston but whatever they have to give up i would go for a guy like russell wilson. Well yeah look. Russell wilson is not. I'm not saying russell. Wilson can't play in the national football. Not what i'm saying. What i'm saying is if i'm seattle is getting on my nerves. Two point where. I'm tired of the back and forward plan games. One minute you wanna be traded the next minute you not put your agent is telling adam schefter. Here's fourteenth but you don't want to trade like that's too much at some point you're affecting the rest of the team and alienating guys guys are going to start to look at you sideways when you walk in the building. They already feel a certain way about you. You know they already feel a certain way about you. Go ahead and go. They're going to go there. i'm no. I'm just seeing already. Certainly about you as well documented in so when that happens you now as an organization have to make a decision if their suitors. That are out there. Like the new orleans saints. We're willing to trade him. What are you willing to give me. Back to. Vigo's in new orleans in new orleans house something to give back and a half salary cap space in new orleans. Go be right. They're going to the super bowl walkie. Bring me back to seattle. Then because my thing is how do you fix it. Do you fix. It is the only way to fix it because you already acquiesced to everything that he has asked for. You're going to have a new. Oh see like greenwich. What do you want every single chain that you wanna make an offensive line you won't pete carroll to make all those changes is it offensively. Do you want to run the system that you want to run is peak carroll supposed to say okay. Look i'm not going to have my input from what you want to one. What will make russell wilson. Happy in seattle to keep him. If your organization you have to make that decision well he signed off on the office of coordinated who who's the guy. Shane waldron saying order. He signed off on that that hey he met him signed off on it. Okay hired a guy. So there's one point for russell wilson off. It's a line is going to be sure it up by drafting guys and developing is finding guys in free agency. They understand that they haven't offense align it at times. There's no question about it but a lot of time you talk about. Sex is not only office line. It's also the quarterback holding onto the football. You have to let the ball go at times. And i think you know you ask the question how they can fix it. I don't know because i don't know how damaged it is. It just seems key like his image is transitioning slightly to prima if feels a little bit like that from the outside looking. I don't know internally. I'm just saying how it seems on the outside looking in a little bit i he gets always been that way zubin. We just here in a little bit more. That's why richard sherman had issues with him in the past. Yeah i'll just say one last thing. Life cuts both ways. What's pete carroll's favorite word keys knows this from his. Usc days compete right. They drafted russell wilson and had them compete with the guy they signed to a twenty six million dollar contract which was gargantuan back then in matt. Flynn and what hatrick them when week. One of the regular season happened. Russell wilson was the starter and the two thousand six million dollar man who was on the bench. That's because they competed and russell wilson one guess what cuts the other way too. We are always competing to get better at the quarterback position. So if we think you are slipping quite a bit you should overcompensate and be able to overcome the issues on our offensive line. That's why we're paying you all this money. It cuts both ways benefited russell in the beginning. And now they're thinking to an extent maybe just maybe we need to compete and raise this levels disguise game level which is crazy as it sounds all right so on the way. We're going to continue the watson discussion. We haven't really touched on that. He met with head coach. David kelly a week ago. His heels are dug in sort of the texans in that. He's not going anywhere. So what happens. Next and why draft why draft picks are at the heart of this discussion a quick reminder. Espn will televise. The undefeated presents a room of our own one hour special that explores the connection. 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All you have to do to backup akita. Said is take a look at the other houston sports icon that i wanted out and he got out hardened gone is to sean. Next keyshawn djabel zubin presented by progressive insurance. All of our guests Earlier hotline so how about this we asked which. Nfl quarterbacks are untouchable. Right with this news. With russ even the rumblings with aaron to a degree you guys have weighed in. And we'll take your calls to inundate. Say espn watson commentary. Coming here in a second from the guys at j. Kelly stuart here. We go. Which quarterbacks are untouchable. I like ross. But i'm tired of these guys suddenly getting tired of their teams right after the signing going. This relief aid. Teo used to do this. Every two years like clockwork seahawks paid a sixty five million dollar bonus and deserves some loyalty. Love people like that. I'm tired of these guys. These guys every time the signing bonuses paid take wanna get out and then they do with his money he just talking about the way that they approach the season in new a new offense coordinator in offense align. He wants to win. That's all he's saying he wants if he wants to get out get out. I mean that coaches lead. They take jobs. General managers leave personnel. People leave they get paid is always the athlete though. Just don't say anything except your money in play football and be happy because there's millions of people that would love to do what you do for a living. Well maybe you should have been a better athlete. This is happening. The shawn watson will not be a houston texans. When it's all said and done no key. I think both you and i sit in the same pace where we say we would've is nick. Caserio and david kelly keep an open line of communication with the shawn watson considering his no trade clause and get on the phone lines and start trying to work this deal. I don't know why they haven't been trying to work this deal before but if it took a conversation with coats kelly and watson for them to realize that. This was not going to happen. We're both sides saying that. We're not going to mill move towards middle ground. Then you start working lives and you start trying to get value right now for the shot and watson extract as much value as possible. Well the one thing you can do in this situation if you or the texans is is taking personal and be stubborn. I understand that you paid him. He accepted the contract but the circumstances have changed. It's different now in. He has a an opportunity to go try and win when he knows that. It's not going to happen in houston. People were not loyal to him when he asked them to do certain things. They lie to him and told him that they would do that. They didn't follow that at all. They decided to do something different. And when you look at it if the schon has met with david kelley which he did. I believe it was on last friday. Get any compensation. He led note. I respect you. I appreciate you appreciate. They hired a black head coach. But i don't wanna work for these people anymore. And if that's the case then the shot has to stand firm with that. He can't go back forward. You'd say well. I at that time i didn't wanna do it now. I wanna do it. Which is firm he's dug in. They could just forget about it. He wants to play for someone else in in doing that. He's got to be willing though if they become major stubborn. J. will he has to be willing to digging if forfeit that compensation that he would be getting for the twenty twenty one season if for whatever signing bonus money that they may want to try to recoup because what he can do is he can always sit out in comeback with six games to go to get his accredited season right. That's what you mean yesterday. When you said paul every bill right bill just sit out. Okay if that's what he wants to do. And i know people that are listening in their cars or in their work on whatever devices that they stream us on a listen to our saw us sitting back and saying i we talk about money these types of the millions like. It's nothing it's all within reasoning of professional sports. It has nothing to do with normal world because professional athletes don't live in a normal world. That's all relative so before you start tweeting at our social media understand what. I'm saying speaking of social media. Let's run through a couple of others on the quarterback untouchable. Listen that's actually ties back to the two guys. We're talking about now with wilson and watson. I a little fun aaron says. I don't think this is aaron rodgers. Speaking about aaron rodgers on the untouchable list errand says aaron rodgers. Now he's untouchable off the field to engage to the actress. Shailene woodley fun funny. How about this won't even though that means we got engaged recently. You know. now he's off. The money's going to become a married man. He's no longer saying no. I know what that means. i don't even know. Why tweet it that eta. So while we read it. But of course evan womp womp womp would do it all. Don't throw evan under bar. Here comes sportscenter guy. I'm gonna if you're listening at ice. Pick list it. Sounds like somebody key network but it's it's it's an unconventional method. But i just hope that that's not a robot not clean can just hope that that is guy is not somebody. I'm going to be seeing on an episode. What is this basic instinct. I mean what's going on guys. You least expect as you know so. I'm going to clean up ice. Pick list. Because i know what you're saying here is pick list but i just wanna make sure everybody can can follow along twitter's kinda crazy right with everything throwing it out. But he got. I'm just gonna just modify icepick list. All these quarterbacks saw those touchdowns being thrown in the super bowl to dudes. Tom brady brought in. They all think they can be a gm so the fact is that they saw brady do. That's not quarterbacks have always had insight to organization and personnel decisions to agree. I mean that's historically proven. We have warren moon on. Yes talking about that back when he played so. It's always been accomplished nothing. Quarterbacks in certain players on teams communicate with front office people about decisions that are being made. It's nothing new yes. Tom brady threw gronkowski in. Abc touchdowns. okay. So now all of a sudden because he did that i wanna do it. No it doesn't know now. Here's octavius in oklahoma. He must be he must be in lockstep region. Good morning octavius. Hey going on. Y'all and i was really looking. You know the who's on touchable. You know with the shawn watson and as well as russell wilson and everything going on but it's kind of going back to the best and worst yesterday and the other day you know with aaron rodgers and what will happen with the platform after his playoff game and they lost. He was almost like i might leave. Well what are they going to say do because no copper already has their first number one draft. Pick being a defensive player now when a wide receiver a weapon. So what's air is going to do. Is he going to leave like russell. Wilson's talking about leaking. No no he's not he's not going he didn't he just said everybody's futures are in doubt that happens at the into seasons guy. Start to figure out it. Start to question at a moment when the season is over like man. I wonder what's going to happen here. We go in and he's not going anywhere. in fact. I bet the russell wilson assign an extension here. By the time they start the season in two thousand twenty one. Go to training camp russell. Russell was aaron. Rodgers will get a large extension keno. I don't think any quarterback is untouchable. I think if any quarterback wants to be moved they can be moved captured. Mahomes doesn't want to be in kansas city anymore and he wanted to forces where like yeah not true. Would all players. If you don't want to be somewhere you go and you tell management. i don't know with. All players put untouchable bs. I guess untouchable for us means that if somebody is calling to acquire about you oh yeah okay. Then they hang up the phone. I think that's what that's what it is because everybody is touchable everybody. Yeah i mean even coaches. If the if the compensation as we've seen the past coaches have left for compensation jon gruden left. The raiders come to us at tampa for compensation. Bill parcells left the new england patriots. New york jets for compensation so everybody could get out if they choose to do so. No doubt just a reminder. If you're a packers fan was interested. In what octavius said or has been interested in following the whole rogers drama offseason best and worst case scenario for the packers. This off season is coming up in one hour. We'll go to wisconsin for the answer to that. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. So the texans have dug in their heels. They say we are as key said hanging up the phone. Anytime anybody calls for to shawn watson to shawn watson his said i want to be gone. Nfl insider dan graziano on why they really do need to consider trading watson. It's in order to acquire something they sorely lack. He doesn't wanna play for them. Please trade me. If you're the texans you have two months until the drac. You don't have a first round pick. You don't have a second round pick. if you're going to be without the shawn watson. You need to start getting some pics and rebuilding in the post watson era so it could be that the texans get convinced sometime in the next couple of months that they have to do it and they pull the trigger on a deal that involves high picks this year and if it goes past the draft then you have a situation where it really gets ugly and they're challenging him to sit out games so key you've got to think about the short and long term here because how many times have you said. Nfl teams are made up of fourth-round guys. The draft is a cheap way to get back up and running after a struggling season. And they don't have any draft picks watson would bring a hall. I understand both sides are in the grapes like you said yesterday. They're not moving. But then dansk analysis there makes a ton of sense yes it does but it goes back to being stubborn jay. Nicotera doesn't know watson at all the no and spoken to right so has no desire to communicate with them has zero desire to communicate with them when you have that you don't want to send a message to a fractured organization or two players within this fractured organization. That you always wanna play our ball in be disrespectful and do all of those things you wanna try to work with people in if it means that at some point this franchise quarterback can can bring value like no other. And you're trying to rebuild. Why not go ahead and say he's available. We need four ones and we need to. We need something players in return back like just put it out there. What you're looking for in the end in figure it out. There's the denver broncos carolina panthers new york jets and the miami dolphins. Let's go let's not in any order growth. I'm glad that you gave us four. Because i want to knock down this whole trace narrow because yesterday people start running away with all these different hey opportunities the get on the phone with the seahawks russell wilson and that's if i'm brussels and here's a no trade clause houston. I'm probably gonna stay in. But why would i want to you. Yes exactly ki- like no. Jj watt no offense of options. Why would i want to do that. So let's stop the indeed that rumor because that would never happen. You go you go. Denver broncos carolina. Panthers miami dolphins and new york jets. That is. would you look at. If if i'm shawn watson those are the four teams that i'm saying you know what they all got different reasons. The carolina panthers is a team that is the owner my spending money if there such a thing as a luxury tax football. He'll go over ten times. The denver broncos they're gonna re to they got some pieces on the offense aside body potentially help in the new york jets marketplace they are going to rebuild and then obviously the miami dolphins the great weather. Oh my no state income tax state income tax as everybody always says that would admitted the florida teams. Indeed there's also no state income tax in texas for athletes in so that's the four key is speculating on but informed speculation. Obviously you not reckless in-form informed informed. Spec i didn't say anything i don't know any body just so he's thinking. Those four are in the knicks for watson. And if you're just waking up this morning the four in the mix for wilson because that story really started to ebb. There's shot towns in the mix for design for the sound watson now with nine them. You're saying he's not still. They can come to offer and try to do something. But i like town is there i i like chicago j. I don't like it for him though because matt nagy and the way that they even though he hasn't been supportive. I i first of all. Let's get rid. Matt nagy right. Let's put him on the side. Ryan pace wasn't you to general manager. Their drafted trubisky over over history. I understand why. Would i want to play for you now and save your damn job. Never mind speaking of chicago shantytown town if it means anything as a constellation and i certainly think it would because we've discussed over over the course of the show the quarterback player lack thereof chicago. Since essentially papa bear started the franchise. Chicago is in the mix for russell wilson. According to adam schefter if he would accept the trade it would be chicago. Dallas new orleans. Or the raiders. Straight talk wireless. No contract no. I'll just stinking what you're saying dallas. Well that's the marketing aspect you've got new york for the sean the marketing aspect right tack prescott russell wilson. Just you know. I don't know but then if you're why does it make sense for dallas. Do that like because now. I'm calling you and saying hey seattle like what does it take to make this deal happen. I give up. I think tax better quarterback we could we could. We could expand on that a little bit later. Jank i got some thoughts in just about ten minutes from now we will do that. A reminder of the nba on espn radio tuning tomorrow night nets host luke and the mavs presented by indeed coverage begins at eight eastern on most of these espn radio stations. Let's dig into the association if you are wondering. The trade deadline is march twenty fifth and. I had to chuckle here. When i saw this story yesterday. I'm sure if you're a celtics fan chuckling right now but the celtics have lost three games in row. They are struggling. They just got blown out by the atlanta hawks. Radzi brad stevens says you think that was the worst part about my week and brad. Stevens is not a sardonic guy. He went on the radio. And we're going to hear from. Brad's boston here. In the second hundred guys caught this red. Stevens went on the radio yesterday. And said yeah. We're a big time funk. We've lost three in a row. Also last week. I had a root canal and someone stole my identity personally and professionally. A rough week for brad stevens. Hopefully he's got his identity back. Hopefully teeth feeling good. here's danny ainge flapping his gums. He's the celtics general manager. He was on the sports up. Ninety eight five the sports hub yesterday. I mean he's the guy that constructed this roster even. He doesn't have many answers. I wish i had answers for you. I don't i do believe in my players. like all of them individually. I think they have good. Futures is just think right now. Our team is in a major funk. And i don't know all the answers as to why and they were playing better for them and for our fans you know wish that they were playing up to their potential. I don't see that they are. You know wish they'd start better and harder a lot of answers that a lot of answers here. Well danny aines has been sitting on draft picks. It seems like for thirty years. I mean it'd be nice for them to utilize those assets to get the right pieces. Brad stevens all the flack that kyrie irving caught with this team. I think brad. Stevens has a really hard time managing personalities and pushing people. He hasn't had to do that his entire career. He did come from butler. We're gordon hayward was is player. He he no longer has gordon hayward and then i will say this and i wanna give key some flowers here on this one. What flowers j. Yes giving you credit locate water for our now with the though okay but not with the what. What is what does flowers mean j. credit because you said a while ago that this thing could implode and i will say there so i started thinking about this last night. The boston celtics are ninth in east right now. They have to all stars on their team to jason tatum. Who people think could be a top five top ten player in the league in jalen brown. That is become a superstar. Okay to. Let's start so philadelphia brooklyn the milwaukee bucks all have all sorts entertained. Let's go with the teams in between key. How many authors did indiana pacers have zero zero. How many authors do the toronto raptors have their fifth in the east zero zero. How many the new york knicks hab there. Six in east zero. How many officers chicago bulls have their seventh and they have one bean. How many also see the charlotte. Hornets have their eighth and east zero zero. That's my point. You have to all stars on. His team is time to put a lot of the onus on jayson tatum and jaylen brown. Soon there's no way they should be sub five hundred with the talent that have and kimball walker needs to be called out to this whole team. These have accountability. That's very fair. Yeah i just always felt like the window was going close on them. But listen to experts like j. wheel in in irc. I just stepped back because they knew and is like i just you know. They convinced me that they still had a window that was open. But i don't think so. And i'm sorry. Julius randle was an all star. That's all me forever. Since the new york has had an all-star zubin fair enough last next chance to see the celtics tonight against the pacers on. Espn dak for wilson talk next.

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And that's what happened in you kept it in a place, we could live with which candidly, I was a little worried about Iran number six. We were gonna lose. You goodbye. No. When with just when we welcome you to another hour of get up here. Coming to you live from above the Heineken river deck at pier. Seventeen on this Halloween, and you get up with us in this hour with the best team in the NFL the rich getting richer at the deadline, which moves made will impact this season and beyond. Plus the college football playoff rankings are out. We'll tell you why the top four what look anywhere near the same by the end of the season. And then there are two of the best of all time scoring off on Sunday. Stephen will tell you who he thinks wins between Aaron and Brady get up right now at what game and it makes me practice. Brute. Maybe real talk. Really busy day on this morning after the NFL trade deadline, and let's go through some of the moves that were made yesterday starting in Green Bay after he fumbled away. Aaron Rodgers and the Packers chances that giving the Rams there. I lost time on Gumri trade against today. The ravens for seventh-round pay the Packers Warren done. They also traded away safety Clinton Dix to Washington for fourth round pick in next year's draft Clinton Dix was set to be a free agent next summer wide receivers on the move yesterday beginning with the Maria's Thomas the Broncos trading him to the Texans for fourth round pick two teams also exchanging seventh rounders there and a lion's sending golden Tate to the eagles for third round. Pick is the eagles provide Carson Wentz with another offensive weapon. And so with Pat McAfee here. Dominic Foxworth interesting to sort of sit back and take a look at the NFC the giants, of course, are a disaster. But if you look at Washington, adding pieces and you look at Philadelphia, adding pieces in Dallas last week, adding Amari Cooper when you. Put it all into the pot. Who's the best team in the NFC east right now, Washington? I think gives me I think their record shows that I think adding or excuse me, adding Dick's to swear in traffic is important thing for that defense, though. It's the offense of game. I think adding off the players will have higher impact. But I think Washington has sustained himself as a better team with just to slip up so far this season. I can understand where we come there with Alex Smith also potentially not giving games away coal beastly, by the way, not getting a lot of credit from Jerry Jones, saying they haven't had number one wide receiver in a long time underrated rapper Colby's bars and a couple of war anyway back to football. But I like the eagles a lot. I think Carson Wentz got a little rust off after he started playing very well. The eagles have a lot of good leadership over there. Plus you add golden Tate to that team. I think that is a team that can do damage again. I'll be saying to see if the pieces come together, but golden Tate in d- what he said this in the meeting earlier today he gets that yet. And when you get the ball in his hand, and he makes magic happen. I think he can be quite an asset to the Philadelphia Eagles eighty-seven Detroit. And in Philadelphia, better food better place. I think but we'll see what happens with the. I don't think that they had a deficiency. There that wasn't where their problem was their problem was their defensive line wasn't is it playing as well as it has in the past and their offensive line is slightly depleted. I don't necessarily think that the real big pro or they're running back injury. That's the problem only. They're real big problem was was adding another receiver. I think the Washington did strengthen their defense, which is the way that they're going to win this year. They're gonna win with Alex Smith managing the offense defense creating turnover. And it meantime, Dallas traded away a first round pick for a receiver and the other two receivers going for much less yesterday. We'll talk to Stephen about that later in the hour. In the meantime, the Rams defensive line gets better. They've got Aaron Donald they've gotten down consumer. And now they add this past brusher Dante Fowler junior for a third round pick. They were probably already not probably they were already the best team in football. Dominique what does this add to them? I mean, they're they have been the best football. But their defense hasn't been nearly as dominant. It's people expected in part of it was because they weren't they didn't have healthy corners and Peters is not playing as well as he has. Past which I think that this actually address it is the fact that they aren't getting corners does not. I mean, they it would be nice then at a corner, but have somebody else get pressure on the pass? I think makes it easier for their secondary to play the LA Rams or the Golden State Warriors of the of the NFL if a couple of guys have bad games. The other guys will lift them up. I think having Aaron Donald and Dominic and soon now Dante Fowler rushing the passer that is a recipe for success on the defensive side of the ball. Let alone having offensive MVP kid genius. Sean McVay call the plays and Gerry Goffin. They're making place happen. I like the LA Rams a lot. I've no clue how they get beat this year. Granted the Packers almost did it. If there wasn't a fumble. But I like the LA Rams a lot in a tight game play makers at the end of the day will come up on top. They get this weekend. They get this weekend by New Orleans because I think that New Orleans is LA except they are better in poor areas. Like the quarterback in the head coach. I think that McVeigh is we all love McVeigh. But he's painting light, he's a younger pain. And we all love the way the Gerry Goffin turned around, but he wishes he drew Brees. I think this team is. It's better and they have to play in New Orleans. I think it goes to New Orleans. So here's what I think I think with foul if Fowler is as good as advertised all they needed to do is go out there and rush the passer here that tilts the scales for me, I was on Team New Orleans. But if you're the Rams, and you're going to score points the way they are you're going to be playing from infront. And what do you do you put this guy just unleash him and go after the quarterback? I think it's a great acquisition. The coats had this recipe with Bill Polian right Payton, they had the offense was incredible. You can get to pass rushers and Dwight frontier Robert Mathis. No granted Dante Fowler outright pass rusher. You've got Aaron Donald and it's a good recipe for success in the league seems to be tilted towards drew Brees everything drew Brees touches seems to go except for the Minneapolis miracle last year. But I do believe the Rams are the best team in the NFC by four. Well, I mean, I think it's we're splitting hairs at this point. It's I think both teams are very good. But I don't think that the defense has been as good as the talent. It's such a be good deal line is not dominated the way. You would expect a d line with two frankly, future hall of famers, and Aaron Donald and don't you think they can flip the switch though when they need it that seems to be the thing that big time players can do. Primetime players make primetime plays and primetime games. When those game show up. You would assume they'd be able to flip the switch just because it's the flow. It doesn't mean it's true. Shaves her thing for it sounds cute. But I don't think I mean football is not a game. And you know, this you can't go out there. And suddenly, oh now, I'm going to be a crazy aggressive maniac because I was chilling all the whole I this is not how it works. All right, guys. It was hold it there for just a minute as much as I'm enjoying the words. We're throwing around we have much more NFL as we continue. But let's get to what happened last night on the college level. Are you ready? All right. And they're they are that first iterating of the college football playoff rankings. No surprises at the top Alabama. Clemson one two little surprised. I was that LSU was in at three. But of course, they play Bama this weekend. That'll settle itself Notre Dame at four in the first two out right now are Michigan and Georgia Paul finebaum is here. So let's we sort of tend to map these things out as though you know, it's blackjack and everyone's going to get a face card. What if Alabama loses a close game this Saturday night at LSU? Then what happens? Well, there's chaos because the vox populi does not want Alabama in without a conference championship. They've done that twice won one in this era and one in the BCS, but they would still be in a tremendous position that one loss would be really quality loss. It would be the number four team today. But if LSU beats Alabama they'll be number one next Tuesday. There's no way around it with their resume. So so then you have to wait. But I let you compare Alabama to one loss. Michigan even as a big ten champion you compare Alabama to possibly a one loss Notre Dame. I think they would Trump Notre Dame. They would Trump pretty much anyone. Michigan Ohio state would be the wild card as the big ten champion. They would have a lot of weight. And then it really depends on what happens in the SEC if it's Georgia. That's one thing. If it's Kentucky, it's another. But I hate to say it public. But I think Alabama would get Georgia. Do you still see a path for Georgia Georgia right now sitting at number six if they would've beat an unbeaten Alabama and the ACC championship game Georgia would have very high quality win this weekend number nine Kentucky. So that that's good. That lost LSU will haunt them a little bit. But it's hard for me to believe that you would take an Alabama team that didn't win. It's it's the vision right over the SEC champion now it would have happened a couple of years ago. It was a two or three loss. But it's hard to believe it would happen with Georgia. And I think if you're looking at. The where the rankings fell yesterday, you go as far as number ten for teams that realistically have a chance to get to eleven in Florida. You do not. So Georgia's six Oklahoma, seven Washington state, eight Kentucky and Ohio State that seems to round out the teams that have a realistic chance of playing theirselves. Into a final four. All right. We'll take a break here the LeBron era as we continue in Los Angeles. It has not been a blockbuster. So far, we'll show you why this team is struggling to live up to the legacy of the king. Plus the trade deadline came it went no news, levian build. We'll tell you with his gamble will pay off and whether or not the Steelers have already won its next get up. Back get up, and let's run the floor with Jay Williams in this morning. And it starts with Leonard. Putting on a defensive clinic just dominating Ben Simmons last night who had a triple double that included eleven turnovers. How good is and how good of the raptors. I mean, I feel like people forgot because of what happened in San Antonio. But he's still wanna top three best players. We have in the game in VP chance last night. Absolutely. And deservedly. So he is that's the point. We have the attention span is so short society right now, we have forgotten that this guy went healthy might be the best two way player in the NBA or shoes me the second best behind LeBron. And by the way when him and cow lower your book hitting all angles. This team is one of the best teams in not only in the Eastern Conference, but in actual entire NBA. So they're really good. How about on the other side? How about the rocket still? No, James harden. Their one in five and Mike dantonio said they are quote playing like crap. What do you think? Well, this team just has defensive identity and you forget about guys like Trevor REEs as from last year. Their ability to lock down on the perimeter. They no longer have that. And not having James harden won the most gifted scores. We have in the game on the floor. Hurt you off pensively as well. I mean, it's been a disastrous start, and yeah, they can score with anybody when they have their core there. But this is a team that's thinking championship or bust kind of thoughts. And then there are the Lakers who are very difficult start there. Two and five on the season tied for the worst starting lebrons career scoring points in bunches scoring one hundred and twenty two points a game. Coach Luke Walton says now the emphasis is on defense, rebounding and avoiding foul, so let's take it to the touch screen here and talk a little bit about that defense show us why the Lakers are struggling on that end of the flu we can tell this is still a young basketball team. When I say young, I'm not saying, I mean, obviously, you have some youth, but mentally as well just how fragmented they are. It comes down to communication their basic plays here. This is going to be a screen now. I love watching jobs sharply defense. One of the toughest kids. They have. Now, they're going down the screen. So when you down to screen, rainy, essentially, what you're trying to do is to be needs to be out. Here. Okay. Now, I know his garden. Karl Anthony towns three point shooter is going to pick and pop here. But still Josh is sending him down this way into a double team individual mcgraff. So McGee needs to cut off. This whole angle Mckee is standing up if you look at his whole posture look at everything about them right now. I mean, also Scott guys over here and help positions. I mean, these guys one two three they're down. The stance was still they're not reacting because you have some three point shooters so McGee not being down not hedging. I mean. That's easy, easy layup, you can't give up easy layups. They lost to another fragmented team in Minnesota Minnesota's going through Jimmy Butler and Karl Anthony towns and then not being on the same page as well. And then the next play is gonna show you everything that you need to know understand about this team. I know it's a huddle, I know some breakdown. But usually when you have a huddle you've a guy like LeBron James who is leading the huddle look at this huddle. It's so fragmented Brennan or mysterious off in the distance. You have other guys who are talking right there at the beginning of the huddle, some guys aren't paying attention land. Stevenson with. No, I know the coaches have this huddle before right? We've had enough. We're guys you just all over the place. Nobody's even communicating with each other because he's got a little bit of a mercenary cast, raise your all these guys on one year contracts. He's got young players that need to prove themselves. Many of them know, they're doing it for other teams in the long run because everyone's waiting to see which superstar comes to play with the brand. So this is a tough dynamic. He's navigating it's about reestablishing the culture of a winning team. So even power exhibit a couple of games ago. One of the players that are Lakers fell down. And LeBron said, hey, you never had to pick yourself back up. All your teammate will always be there for you a game later another player fell down you saw four players on the floor. And he's everybody walk their own way. Now, he just reiterated what the team culture he wants on the Lakers. And nobody's still does that because everybody's focused on what they have to do for themselves. Exactly. Right. Because this is this group that he has assembled is not going to be there when they get there. They want to go guys like Rondo and McGee and Stevenson. They're not going to be a part eatable assets. Yeah. Exactly. And some of the young kids might be as well. It's such a complicated situation for team that has off. I think to a start that. Worse than most people expected. Meanwhile, tonight, we got a double header on Halloween for you at eight o'clock eastern time, you'll see Victor depot when the Pacers at the garden against the Knicks then out west Amar Rosen and the Spurs taking on Devon Booker. And the sun's it all starts with NBA, captain seventy stern and everything is live on the ESPN app. So you could watch from anywhere. That we get you back to the NFL as we've mentioned multiple times the trade deadline came and went and Le vian bell was nowhere to be found. Almost literally it's Wednesday. Now, Levey unveil is still not shown up, but can so the expectation that he was going to wait until four a one yesterday. So they could not trade him. Well, we've got a long way since four O one yesterday. So let me bring Jason read into the conversation on that thought, what is your understanding of or expectation four levian bell? At this point greening has to come in by week eleven to get credit for the year. So he's going to show up because he wants to get credit for the year. So he can become a free agent. But as you look at this situation, it's become so toxic. I really don't know how he recruits the money that he's lost and get the money that he wants on top of it. What do you think of all this? I think that's a fair assessment and analysis, but I don't think that they're looking at it that way, I think that the way they're looking at it is I could get injured him and his aides are saying he could get injured this year, and maybe he would have gotten it fourteen million. But if he gets injured he gets a contract going forward as much less than he deserves. I think he'd rather forfeit a good portion of that fourteen million in order to guarantee himself a better contract that will pay him more than fourteen million over several years because he guarantee himself that but first of all the second he steps on a field, which to the point you just made Jason he has to eventually do. He runs the risk of injury. And second of all if he guaranteed of anything other teams out there in the NFL who will look scans at the way, he's handling. Oh, absolutely. I mean because he didn't show up for work. However, it only takes one if there's Louis as one team in that market for him. He could get paid. Is he going to get what he wants? That's what do you think of all this? I think. Understand what he's trying to take the job. But again, I mean he'd left the awfully lot of money on the table right here. And I just don't see any way that he's going to be able to recoup day thinking, I know what he's thinking big picture in free agency. I'm gonna make so much money. That is well worth it. But at inundate, he's Lea he's left Mike, what eight million about eight million dollars on the table. And we know that NFL as far as thinking is probably the least progressive out of all the other sports leagues, so guaranteed. There's a lot of teams out there that are thinking this guy just didn't show didn't show up the word. So why am I going to combine it with suspension injuries that he's had? And it's based watched it. I shell out all this money for winning back. Well, they're taking the safe. Route is what I think is far some not playing understand that he's still runs the risk of energy. And I understand that he's not going to get that money back that he lost. But he's also has a lesser chance of getting injured when you play a game. So I think that the move that they're taking a safer and smarter. And as far as like him getting injured in a game like that can happen at any time. So having less games. I think gives them. A better opportunity to get the free agency and make that money if he could sit the entire season. I would totally understand. I would be completely on your side. But we all understand that he can't do that. He has to come back and play. So he does not remove the injury risk, and they just cost himself all of this money. No, I'm on his side. It's worked out well for him. But I don't think that he believes that he calls himself that money because he is he is lowering the risk of injury. And I do believe that him that that team needs him team is not the same without. Oh, let me show you guys some numbers because we know there's this phrase that numbers never lie. Now, are they telling us the truth in this circumstance through seven games James CONNER has outperformed Levy on bell at the same point last season. Despite forty four fewer touches bell has more yards from scrimmage and five more touchdowns Damian. What are you see those numbers? Are they are they just as good? I'm not going to sit here and say James Connor is a better player than Levy on Bella be insane. But are they just as good with Connor? Nothing leaving on those a better player. But I think from the Pittsburgh Steelers perspective, you think in cost, you know, calls analysis here. Okay. You thinking of got I'm getting baseless equal production. But a guy who's coming cheaper. So, you know, the Pittsburgh Steelers writing their this sitting back in this whole thing and they're smiling because they didn't have to put up a big chunk of money when we get into God that's causing a lot less involved on the field to. I'm sorry. Jason thanking the the bottom line is Levy on belly is a better player. You're right. And what you don't know is what you're not getting because let me on Bill is under the field. You don't know what type of defensive point? You don't know what other things would have opened up for the players. So yeah, the put duct restrict production. But what are you missed it with him? And I know you were looking at some stats. Earlier to Connors credit. I thought early in the season that he was getting a lot of light boxes because people didn't feel fear him as as Russia. But I looked at the next that and he's facing more eight-man boxes than Levy on bell. Did at this point last season. So Connor deserve that credit. But the impact on offense is not all statistical I think bell has a threat as a pass catcher opens a lot of things up their defenses a lot based on offense his base a lot on. Hi, LO's getting beyond bail in that check now position in linebacker squeezing to it and hitting him behind and hitting and hitting big receivers Antonio or it's audio Brown or hitting juju or hitting a tight end somebody in behind that. And if you deepen those linebacker drops cover that then you hit Levy on bell. And you don't want him in open open-field James Connor doesn't offer that same threat. And so theoretically, as we sit here, and we say the trade deadline has come and gone teams rosters are what they are. Well, actually, there's one team that is still in theory going to add one of the best players in the National Football League. Right. So when he does come back and play which we all believe he has to where does that put the Steelers? Honestly, I'm not sure how much it impacts them. Because I think their offense is solid. That's not the issue with this. This issue with the Steelers is being able to stop people you agree with that chemistry. I mean think about if you if you're in a group Gruden gene James Caan grew one of the worst thing you could do is disrupt chemistry. So it's going to be funny. It's going to be a kind of a funny situation how they integrate them back into day. Welcome back. Right. I mean, they don't have a choice. They have. He's comes back and plays plays. You know, what they have the greatest third down back in the history of the NFL. Yeah. Okay. It helps that could be what it is. All right, as we continue the bad blood between Russell Westbrook and Patrick Beverley boiled over again last night. We'll look back at the history of the NBA most heated rivalry. I get up net. Smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel. So I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try get the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Switch to jewel. Check OJ dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke don't start warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine addicted chemical. Back on get up. And I tell you what there's been a history of bad blood between Patrick Beverley, and Russell Westbrook. We're take you through two thousand thirteen playoffs that smashed by Beverly into the knee cost. Russell westbrook. The rent of his postseason at toys meniscus things. The next time they meet it was March of the following year Beverly swiping the ball away during a time out the players had to be separated. Beverly got a technical foul then game five of the 2017 playoffs. They were get into it. Again. After Westbrook fouls Beverly appears to swing an army groin. The rockets would have the last laugh in that series as they would eliminate. Okay. See? So these guys don't like each other's and they were back on the same floor again Jay Williams last night as the thunder were hosting the clippers. And let's take you to what happened last night between these two Westbrook and Patrick Beverley a little helping dislike is not so bad Westbrook scores on them business walking the baby thing, what is this J, boys? Putting the baby to sleep. He's swatting him and putting him to sleep. That's what happens. He played gets little guards. Greeny. Which side of that where you generally, I was on the Patrick Beverley saw more. So well, you're on the other side now because you have the infant at home, but he was explaining for those who don't know the move. Kids. Asleep? The disrespect but Patrick Beverley would go right back at him as he makes a move here on Russ. And you know, what if it's good for the goose, right? He's got the same move. Right back. Patrick Beverley Chinese. They the clippers are not a good team. There are a slew of guards. I don't know what he's doing. So you've never baby. This game is not close. And then this happens in sixteen point game in the fourth quarter with about six minutes to go is that a dirty play by Beverly it wasn't dirty play. But this is Patrick Beverley is he's going to try to think it was a play on the ball was taking fourth. But still it's not coincidence that he just happens to hit Russell Westbrook in the knees again once again, we have those two guys exchanging words technical call. No punches were thrown in the end. Doc Rivers said, you know, what a little healthy dislike is not so bad. Westwood scored. Thirty two in the funder would win by eighteen the game of the night was this one j pistons and Celtics their second meeting and four days Celtics, one by twenty the other night. First-quarter Celtics are up three. Kyri? I mean, he's so dynamic almost the problem for Boston is that they have so many weapons too many weapons who's going to be the go to guy. But you know, it's going to be in the league by far caught. Okay. Under five minutes to play in the fourth now because tens are down for Stanley Johnson. Four three a rare occurrence. Drumming paps it in red Stevens wants to goaltending. Call you take another look at you. Tell me does he have a point. Yes. The boss still on the run that's sort of been golden Stevens would get technical after the plane hit a free throw pistons are within one just over to play L Horford Irving Irving swish something's up for under fifteen seconds of play. Now, Detroit is down four points Stanley Johnson looking for issue Smith. Smith smith. No one ever talks about nice little player. Wake Forest does all the dirty work for Detroit and the difference between winning and losing ballgames. One player dives to the ball. The other one bins at the well this could happen and at three point game. They've got a chance to. And then throws it away. Jay, we'll what happened but different just assuming that the player was actually going on the rhythm didn't kept some way costly turnover. Nats how it would end the Celtics win one eight two one five in other news yesterday, Maryland reinstated head football coach DJ Dirk and eleven weeks after he was placed on administrative leave following the death of offense of lineman, Jordan McNair during an offseason. Workout the school's board of regents recommended Durkan's reinstatement and while university, president Wallace low and athletic director, Damon Evans will also keep their jobs low announced he will retire in June. Here's the board chair James Brady on Durkan. We believe that coach Durkan has been unfairly blamed for the dysfunction in the Atlantic department. And while he shares some responsibility, it is not fair to place all of it at his feet his acknowledged his role in the outlet departments shortcomings while he served the coach, and he is committed to ensuring the proper reforms working with the independent monitor. We believe that he is a good man and a good coach. All right. So DJ Durkin released the following statement. I'm grateful for the opportunity to rejoin the team in very much. Appreciate having the support of the board of regions. Our thoughts have and will continue to be with Jordan's family. I'm proud that the team has remained United and represented themselves on the university. Well during this difficult time as we move forward. I'm confident that our team will successfully represent the entire university in a positive way both on and off the field Dirk and led a team meeting yesterday. Sources told the SPN that several players five we were told by Heather dinner earlier walked out of the meeting the family of Jordan McNair was outraged by the decision. Feel like I've been punched in the stomach somebody spitting my face. What did you think was going to happen when they concluded there that they would do the right thing? Miss my son every day and today, it just didn't help didn't help at all. So obviously difficult to watch their and as we bring it to the table. If you're with us an hour ago, Heather is reporting that the board essentially told the university president either bring the coach back or your fired meaning to the university. President our heads were spinning when she said that Dominic Foxworth you played your football at Maryland. I'll give you the floor. What do you make of all of this? I mean, I think Dr low the president spoke of when this first happened he came out and took responsibility. He said, the university takes complete responsibility. That was to me seem like an act of great integrity. And that was the last one that we've seen from this organization. I know that Heather reported that the reason why they can't be decided to keep DJ Dirk and was because he had a great meeting on Friday. But there has to be more to this story because there is no benefit to keeping him. It's not as if they Maryland was some sort of juggernaut. They can't afford to lose this coaches. I just don't quite get. Why you keep a coach? And they went on to say that they thought he was a good person. I'm not here to judge his character. But it doesn't matter to me how good a person. Sometimes when something goes wrong enough, the person who's in charge has to pay that price, and that's kind of the price of doing business while you get paid so much to be a head coach of of a college program. I'm not sure how much more wrong things can't possibly go. Then they went in this case, I agree with you. I'm not going to sit here and recklessly speculate about what some of the reasons might have been that they felt obligated to bring the coach back. But if you just sort of think through it, it's not hard to come up with some guesses d would let me come to you. You played football. Obviously all of your life. You have three sons they play football. What from the standpoint of being a father? What are you seeing here? Well, we build with any 'cause program, you know, recruited, is is the lifeline of any program. You got to be able to get, you know, get kids in there, and one of the things I remember, remember Krugman mom, my mother asked, you know. I'm entrusting my son with you. Are you going to take care of my son up that I'm basically handing over and I know if guy like DJ Durkan EMA, Tim he wouldn't even get in my door. But he's eating. Tempted to try to come in. There's no no way in hell. You be able to come in because you're the coach of the program. Okay. And Paul finebaum kind of references. In the last hour. The fact that the strength coach and the head coach are jointed, hip, usually strength. Coach won the first part of the first new hire, you know in a program. So the fact that you try to make it seem like they as a school try to make it seem like it's really all on the street guy. And the coach knew knew nothing of this to me this whole thing. Just stinks. And I don't want any guy to try to recruit and bring, you know, bring my child atmosphere, the culture that they have there is obviously problematic, but it's not unique. And I'm sure that most of football players that I've talked to and I'm one of them. We familiar with cultures like that high school in college. And I think that is another missed opportunity for Maryland is to send a message that that is an old culture that shouldn't should no longer permeate college campuses. But they didn't send that message. And I think that's a problem because as I mentioned earlier in the last hour there there are high school players who. Die every year in connected to football workouts? And now they believe obviously that the way to make kids tough is the push them to their limit. Which is not at all away to make kids top. It's not at all the way to win football game. But it is the way to lose young men. This is a publicly funded university. This is a major state university. So I do not think we have heard anywhere near the end of this story guys. Thank you very much for your perspective. We'll take a short time out here as we continue. There was a run on wide receivers at the NFL trade deadline yesterday. So now did that dust settled we can evaluate the deals who overpaid who got a bargain. Stephen A. We'll weigh in. And we have a little trivia for you here. Courtesy of our friend, hembo. That's coming up as we continue this get up on ESPN. You're going to compete against me. And you better be willing to give up your life. I'm giving up mine. Benjamin, Tom or? Relax. I've always felt like my skills have been under appreciated. I've been overlooked. Chip. Calms for only the second time ever Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady facing off the game is Sunday night in Foxborough. They played in two thousand fourteen Rogers leading the pack to a twenty six twenty one win and yesterday Brady was talking about Aaron Rodgers and offered the highest possible praise. What he's done is quarterback is I think it's it's inspiring. You know, even for me. I mean, I watched his game. And it makes me want to get out there and practice and improve. Because I think he's so, you know, phenomenal with how he you know, managing from the pocket. He has ability to throw the football is, you know, unlike anyone in the probably history to league Aaron to one of the best ever to play the game. He's got every every skill. You need to be a great quarterback. All right. So that should be remarkable matchup Stephen joins us as he does every day. We needed to guys to fill the seat of Dalen rose. If I don't think you did. But that's nice storyline. I don't think that's necessary except that your thoughts Brady versus Roger. So you got well, listen it's about New England because I think New England is rolling right now. Although they offense didn't look that Monday night against the Buffalo Bills. I understand that the Green Bay Packers on upswing. But this is really not the morning to ask me about Amer Rogers and the Green Bay Packers because I'm so disgusted with what they did in toy Clinton Dix to the Redskins. They just seem to me. I don't trust the Packers organization and last time I checked football's a team sport. I know how great Amer Rogers is too. He's degraded quarterback I've ever seen. He doesn't have the resume that Tom Brady has. But in terms of his abilities as a quarterback, he's the greatest I've ever seen in my lifetime. I truly truly mean that. And so as a result of it. I look at him. I look at devante atoms at Randall Cobb and some of the other weapons that they have a clue a couple of those rookies, and I like what I'm seeing. And I think they could do some things authencity. But in the end Green Bay's defense, I believe is going to be compromised. I think organizationally they are compromised and. I would never pick Tom Brady. A I'm sorry pick Amer Rogers over at Tom Brady because Tom Brady has Robert Kraft and Bill Belichick, and he does mcdaniels all amer- Rogers has is Mike McCarthy. I don't see I don't see as a fair match. Well, that was the match up when they played in Aaron Rodgers still won. So I'm the only one at a table thinks Aaron Rodgers is better like Arabs. They better quarterback Tom Brady deli. Oh, yeah. Okay. Good. Got somebody with some sense here. Tom Brady himself said earlier this season to Aaron Rodgers with Rovers seven thousand yards. If he was with the patriots so eras have better quarterback again, like Stephen I said, he may not have the resume. But I think if we're being being fair and are now since we all accept I Rogers better. Well, there's one person sitting at this table who played with Tom Brady. And we've not yet heard from him. I'm staring, right. Your big fella who got Brady. Rodgers from physical skill said. You gotta go Raja's. But if I if you ask me. Two minute to minute. Drew one lead me. I'm getting temptation, Tom Brady all day while taking Tom Brady all day because to me, I think sometimes it's great as Aaron Rodgers Stephen is really he's really big at this just sometimes he lets Aaron Rodgers off the hook as great as Aaron Rodgers is. I think sometimes, you know, when you're that type athlete we see LeBron James pursue some of the greats in MBA. You gotta overcome you got overcome questionable coaches, you always on Mike McCarthy. But he no he wasn't one one Super Bowl as much as you. Drool and talk about Aaron Rodgers, let watch I'll watch you're listening. Listen. All this. Just keep you on. Gang leader. With what? Sloven? There's always love. It is true. That is so great. If if he's the head man like wall, we talk about sitting there. Since may have more chips. Look give me nothing. You want? You make me. Young big don't mean you all. The fact that is you don't have much credibility. What go ahead? I didn't. Ability with football. Did you of course, not no better than that? I'm saying you don't have much credibility when it comes to Tom Brady because I don't trust your objectivity when it comes to the. I keep you re time out time out. The fact that amount is you yourself because you wanted to people that I listened to Damian with. Okay, don't even though you're the pupil. Remember that bottom line is I listened to you want to come to some football. You will sit up there and you never ever fail to give credit with creditors. Do when it comes to the patriots organization. How do you ignore that discrepancy? When it comes to the Green Bay Packers seeing the decisions that the from an organizational standpoint, what is amber rod has had to work with talking about. I've never liked shut of the patriots. As far as. Oh, we do. It all the time point is knowing that it's a teams what one how much the organization can influence somebody negatively looking at what Amer Rogers has had to work with in Green Bay. All you telling me, there's a comparison between a pack of organization and radio patriots. We'll listen let me let me tell you this. Let me tell you this. Let's also factor this in okay? When you look at the patriots, the reason the patriots dominated the opposite, a great organization playing into them AFC, would they it's just a fun. The. The patriot. Listen when. How I would say just chicken. This. Because I'm bringing this always some type of quarterbacks. What can I make one argument on behalf of Tom Brady? And look I is can see what all of you guys can see Aaron Rodgers is strategic always says and bad, man. But there's only one of them, and there's only been one ever who was down twenty eight to three in the Super Bowl and came back and won. And that that is that is something that I think that Brady puts on his resume than absolutely no one can ever touch. What about my name? Aaron Rodgers whip. The hail Mary he can be completed three in one season. They wanted to pick out one. This luck involved in just throwing a hail, Mary and someone. You gotta do you have a rebuttal for this far? Be it for me because I don't want to be sacrilegious stepping get up and going at the great, Mike Lees. Do I'd like to first of all first of all there's something wrong would noted jets fan taking the moment to praise Tom Brady, and what does happen to you. The jets have happening. To number two. Do we not do we get to ignore the role that the Atlanta Falcons blade in Amer Raja's, overcoming that twenty two three deficit when all you had to do was run the damn football. And let the clock wide down and kick a field goal. Instead, you decide to stop the clock because you're trying to throw a pass ended up being incomplete. Do we know not ignore the fact that the Atlanta Falcons lost their way? Because once they got up they stopped playing football the way you support. I mean, we're talking about one the mental one one football every mistake under the sun that they could have made they made and it wasn't just on. It was primarily on the offensive side of the ball, which Amerada has no control. He not playing defense against the fouth. So the fact is it was more about Matt Ryan and Quinn and those boys wedding to bed and not getting the job done on the thought of the ball. Then it was about the New England Patriots. The Steve Nate do. You know, the, you know, how hard it is. And the things that has to happen. For you to come back down twenty eight. And you should know better type the type of plays that you got that you've got to make play in play out from twenty eight to three we all week. We all. Question for you. Go ahead. If Aaron Rodgers in that situation. Do you believe that he would not have accomplished the same thing if everything was the same drop next? There's only one answer. We'll never know. All right. No. I have not. Come back. No, they wouldn't have. No that wouldn't have been in there. And I play thank you. I had a variety of topics plan for this. And guys, I think we're pretty much through that Steven A in ten minutes on I take. Thank you. Happy to domino in the playoffs. They're coming your way Thursday night on ESPN two ten thirty eastern time. Second Western Conference knock round match between third-seeded L AFC and succeeded Ray out Salt Lake this matching many other playoff matches available on the ESPN app. So start your free trial of ESPN plus now or download the app coming up. But we got I look at the college football playoff rankings. I will tell you why that kicks off the best time of year on the sports calendar that is next. But first I'm gonna Levy was some trivia I promised Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady meeting this weekend. They are two of five active players to win the MVP award is a good question. Can you name the other three active players who have won the NFL's MVP award the answer next? Brought to you by sprint. Switch today. This evening six eastern after PTI tell you if it's panic or patients time for LeBron and the Lakers, go inside the numbers. What if Aaron Rodgers played for the patriots, and we'll Clayton Kershaw? I'll be a dodger next year. Sportscenter six eastern on ESPN and the ESPN app gives me so we left you with some trivia aside from Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers who were the other three active players to win an MVP award. Dominic foxworth? You've got it. Right. Say the name Sam Newton Matt Ryan Adrian Peterson. That is correct. I'm fine my fried. So hembo is frustrated tomorrow morning. We hope you'll get up with us here on ESPN. We'll show you why Aaron Rodgers has the edge in his match up with Tom Brady. Plus how drew Brees the saints can take down the undefeated? Rams and Dana white. We'll tell us about the next big crossover event where the U F C all that and more get up with us tomorrow morning here on ESPN. Okay. Last night on ESPN. What our first look at the college football playoff committee rankings of the season. Not a lot of surprises. Bama. Clemson LSU Notre Dame with Michigan and Georgia rounding out the top six. And as we sort of put a ribbon on our show for today. I'll start with you Paul finebaum because you cover college football for so. Well, the thought I have is anyone who talks about increasing increasing the number of teams in this playoff in my view. You're out of your mind. This is what makes this so good. We have playoff games every single week the playoffs have already begun. And there was a game this weekend that can only be described as a championship. Level game between Alabama and LSU when we get to sit back every single week and see where we have put these teams in the order. This is what has made college football. What it is today? If you had eight Alabama would already be in taking the rest of the season off. I wouldn't matter not one bit. Does anyone disagree? Does. Anyone anyone? Go ahead. Pat, losing go home guy. I love that thought the NFL playoffs. I enjoy that. I don't really enjoy the series stuff because I got a I kind of lose a tension. I understand there for a while. There was no playoff. There was just be like lead or five students lose go home because anybody can win any game your student athlete. You got tests. You got social life. You've got a lot of things that can happen. I enjoy the thought of go home I understand in college football with the small amount of games every game matters. But it depends on what what conference you're in all that. I enjoy just the thought of playoff system like an actual play lose or go home. Let a couple more teams in there to see who really got it. Well, I'm proud of. Paul for not laughing when you heard student athletes. A student bird one. But I do I mean the suspense is finite. So you can either have it all in one moment. Like we did before when it was kinda at the end of the season. It's just one big game or you can kind of spread it out through the course of the season, which I think spreading it out through the course of the season is it's pretty good. And you don't want to spread it out even further then it dilutes, the alternative to me is college basketball, which going up was my favorite show. And the reality is as much as I love watching these kids play the three weeks that we have the NCW tournament. It might be the best sporting event we have all year, but the other forty nine weeks of the year it feels so irrelevant when this every single week field. We will look back at things that happened in August when we get to the end of this season and that one game will wind up making a huge dip the playoffs. Have changed college football and this weekend. It really starts. I think it's been a sleepy season for the most part in until now on the big picture. But I would like to see two more that way you have the the buys. So that one to get a by. I. I think this year I predicting absolute chaos in the final Sunday, which we have not really had green. Well, that would be interesting. It'll depend on a few things. But look we're going to look back on that Notre Dame Michigan game at some point here. That's a huge huge factor. And all this, right. I mean each step along the way there is a game. Sleepy. Is that won't disagree with one thing that college football fans really want this weekend. 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338 - Live From Traverse City: Michael and We feat. Michael Moore (8/5/19)

"Everyone chris wade here producer chris. I just wanted to do a quick plug before the show since this date is quickly coming upon us we the chapel elections unit will be damone iowa this thursday through next wednesday. We will be covering the democratic primary race as it winds through the iowa estate fair but more importantly we will be doing a live show next tuesday night august thirteenth at vaudeville mews in des moines. Iowa tickets are on sale now now at a link in the episode description to vary episode. We'd love to see any of you who can make it out there and also if you are in iowa involved in the campaigns and organizer iser a potential caucus goers soapbox days junkie or even just someone who knows what foods have the best fried butter at the fair. We'd be interested in potentially talking to you while we're out there so hit us up onto our live show from traverse city michigan featuring michael moore all right under the <music>. Hey everyone hey traverse city michigan t._c. Michigan taking taking care of michigan. I'm virgil texas with chris wade mcraven brennan james and a bastardized version of chapel trump. Yeah this is like when the two other people for the talking heads. This went off and toured time clock. Tom club and tom com called rules yeah. No this is going to be good to geniuses of love. Do we have out there who other people from the talk and how dare you their names names are chris and tina word for it will couldn't make it a laconic last minute to this trip to shopping both producers of the show bill which i feel like if you combined us and divided us into and then added a heaping dose of upper west side misanthrope he would get we will i. I often tell how many times i sub for well. People mistake me for him because we both have beards and were white and roughly. He's actually way older than me. The howard show that visibly sniffling little baby man burn finished okay. There's some similarities but so tonight. I'll visually represent well. Maybe you can channel his. You can have your head bobble around kito doppler pass the microphone. That must be very frustrating waiting for you. Guys just want to strap his head in a neck brace going on. I wanna make a cow feed harness that just holds the mike in front of him so if we recorded our only a half hour wills words actually on the track because driving a car pass pass the microphone. This isn't being streamed right he he will hear it though he's getting fucking roasted for all of you put your yet for moving when we're traverse city motherfucker bitch you get roasted and we are very excited to do what i think is the show. We don't the smallest town yeah. We'll far air traverse city absolutely <hes> it. It is a small being. This is real america. There's a lake that's so real. American thing need to lake tahoe saltwater ever yes. The water does not have salted alternate. That's how we got into earlier this week of course for the film festival and we have been enjoying that local favorite. What did they manufacture factor. Here painkillers very serious series. We have been joined so many tears. You haven't had the cherry flavored fed. It's a minute. Let seem outsource that job. They probably already have by the by the time we began again the show yeah but it's been lovely yeah you have the distinction of being the smallest <hes> place we've ever been smallest smallest being and and and i hope you've all been enjoying the film festival as well because there's been some good stuff on but now we're here. It's like what i've seen so much. I absolutely we have not been just cooped up in the hotel to only occasionally leave to go to pizza hut and then do this. So why don't you actually talk about your favorite films yeah. What were your favorite films a taste of sandpiper. What's that about. That's a great one. Yeah the ah carpenters lament one three bells for aunt marie that you catch q. and a. with the director director of three ballots did illuminating no we we all have the landlords as well and we'll walk on and it says filmmaker on it is like they have to put some things so that we're not confusing it said podcast people would throw bricks at us and right hand rightfully so rightly so so we have filmmaker on and we we have to think very quickly if to tell people and so i've been telling you i just i made moonlight seeing and i'm doing the sequel. There's <hes> two or sunlight or whatever i just saw them. Make those fancy porto's with talking. I directed kars four and here's how the cars deal with loss yeah this. It does raise the question. We were asking earlier if we were to have a film here to show. What would it be like if we were gonna make a movie. What individually visually would we want to make anybody because we talked about. Oh yeah yeah yeah brendan. I didn't prepare any joke. I'm sorry fetig aw that's why you're behind dams sticks. I'm i'm lost. It's hard thinking about i've got one. I'd probably do for film. Festival type film like something called like wave form and it would be like a documentary about an obscure synthesizer pioneer that is also all told even though it's a documentary henry like i shoot and edit the whole thing and then recreate the entire thing in claymation for no discernible artists jerry yeah and then released as the soundtrack on vinyl and it's just like one note slightly modulated for forty five minutes. That's why you're that's why you're the producer very smart enemy. I say this at the bottom of my heart. That sounds terrible. I would hate to play at least three regional film festivals. Okay mine is picture. A. restaurants and it's called great american escape and it's got all kinds like flags and stuff. I like that and all of the tables are fifty tables at all. The tables are in the shape of a state and all the meal items are like baked alaska. I'm sorry i also didn't think of when i'm just using my restaurant idea. There's only one. I'm food named after a state though new new york strip new ticket. That's copyrighted sir. You'll be hearing for the colonels lost by fifty okay. Let's just stipulate that ax doesn't have to be food named after south dakota. We might shoot a documentary tomorrow because we're going to check out ripe interlocken nearby where i'm going to try to be the alex when alex jones what a premium grove because interlocken as you guys i snow is very near here. The very prestigious art school for young gifted children like professor academy but in the nineties it had an for my to my knowledge and for people who have connections there say still has a cabin that was sponsored by and i guess the property of like he could access. It can't epstein so yeah it's out. It's real so i'm hoping tomorrow to be able to infiltrate it. Find the cabin and then get inside. Maybe move some of the books around on the shelf until one of them causes the wall to turn around. Maybe there's a loose floorboard. Maybe there's just a black glowing obsidian cuba either way. I want to find out what we're gonna walk by juan and the portraits on the wall there is will shift and then they'll be realized yukking. It's basically gonna be like a real wacky episode of scooby. Doo you thought you would get get away with it but it took us three days to discover the terrible secret of traverse city shutdowns and we do this every city. We go like when we went to washington d._c. The and realize laws are bullshit schoo- represents the pizza everywhere. We'll we'll get or get epstein. We'll find him his layer and we'll rip off the rubbery mass that he's wearing and it's actually just bill clinton. I know say i would've gotten away with it too for for those dan podcasters and we're hoping that that all happens exactly like that tomorrow but an emmy for that but that's not all mad has been investigating and traverse city. He's also discovered some delightful local stores yeah yeah. I took some pictures of the town but a few of them online but i was charmed by it. I don't even remember the order so let's put the first one just to see what it is a slide show by curie by matt crispin yeah okay i saw this and i thought there's two types of towns left in america right outside of of the knowledge economy you know gentrified cities that are all the money where the coastal ovulation and and and you know a capital or flowing to and where a a rents are all to be buttressed fortress exact refuges of the global the global knowledge economy elite new york san francisco chicago whatever every town in the middle of the country there's two types. There's one where there aren't even grocery stores anymore like a kroger's now just fucking shooting gallery and you have to scrounge for scraps behind the white one open taco bell. That's only open because people go to like actually by drugs and then there are towns that have still open and supposedly thriving fucking fudge store. That's it. It's the this insane dual nature of america's exurban reality. Is that that because you're close enough to a lake or you've got some sort of local economies on you got a lot of cherries or something you can maintain in a little plot like glass jar this fifties main street where everyone can enjoy treats like the fudge store or the model train store it go down a few miles down the highway though where you don't have any cherries or lakefront view and it's just like oh yeah here's the z. Combination gas station strip club and that's it <laughter> ninety percent. If you're if you're feeling like you might get scurvy. Just i use some of the lemons they give you in the fuck drinks. That's as close as you're getting to nutrition. I also wanna say real pizza hut here really really that combination bulls that in new york on so you're of all i'm a big pizza head an original pizza guy because i grew up in washington to pennsylvania's southwest southwestern pennsylvania and right around the corner from nana's house. There's a pizza sit down pizza hut and honest pizza a good hard-working people's pizza hut and we go there all the time and that was my idea of out and so in new york you can't find those all the taco bell pizza hut like a closet that you walk into and it's an express and everything's frozen. It's terrible. It's it's thunder though no no you're not you're going to order the bread sticks and they're gonna come in a tortilla. That's why pizza the real red route. Dan registers alley hours salad salad bar. You guys probably know this but in the nineties his pizza was the number one purchaser in america of kale but they didn't use them in the salad bar. They use them as decoration around this and then some enterprising health guru was at a pizza hut and said wait a minute. What are we just on this shit. Would we take this. We got to but that's what i have. Ah young nerd i have an extra a connection to it because i was a a very proud and enthusiastic user of the book program nerd herd read a book they would give you a free personal pan and this is sort of like if you imagine america's like policy for different issues as whack a mole like that book it was trying to whack like youth literacy and they hit it but then youth obesity. It just popped up next to it. Yeah listen to the next one here. Can we see next. Please so yeah we we stumbled into a fundraiser for ferris university. <hes> i'm very proud of mr bueller for all of his eh went on to found educational facility because in that movie he was so anti education irony but anyway one of the things that they have. They're currently is the jim crow of racist memorabilia for audience. Look i understand that the guy donated a lot of money aw james crowe james crowe is a name <hes> yeah so it says here the gym museum is an international leader in the antiracism movement also the mash international irony movement and the nation's largest public collection of artifacts spanning the segregation era from reconstruction until the civil rights movement and beyond the movement serves as a base for quality scholarship this includes limited to producing original research planning and hosting tours of conferences and conducting ding anti-racism training sessions so if anyone ever asks you where the racism factory is you could tell them it's ferris university and like obviously the mission of places is good and fine but i- defrays memorabilia is so funny to me because just like going in heerenveen. I'm being look do come over here. They got to george wallace rookie card. Yeah this is from when he was first in state senate and really getting the racism points on the board now when you visit the jim crow museum <hes> definitely check out the nick molin wing <hes> all right. Let's do an excellent. Oh yeah just oh my god. It's now the cool ass. Shit shit you could buy your is so this is a t shirt and it says yes. I do have a beautiful daughter. I also have a gun a shovel in an alibi. You get that for me because it's like genuinely want that. I didn't know you saw as is he saying. He's going to kill his daughter because onto shirt yeah. Who's the target that who is the applied audience to this. It's like dear. Mr police stopped me before. I kill again all right next one all right. This is the last one and this is just a say so you know like i said traverse city. What are the good towns that'd be. They've got a lot of relatively new building and one of the new buildings downtown is this thing where they have put on the windows this totally superfluous metal great and it i looked at it and it just pissed me off so fucking much. Because what the fuck is that supposed to be there for. Is it just to make it harder to clean the windows. I mean i guess the ideas like we we don't we're not going to shell out for a balcony but we want. You have to kind of look like a balcony for like a half a second until you realize oh that's up balcony. It's just a totally pointless piece of fucking metal. One of the rating in a baby's main experiences of traveling with matt is is walking around with him in in various new places in like pointing out shit like that and being like look that's kind of dumb and then having to stand there here for five and a half minutes while he screams at a bill it over town. We saw pushing the children in strollers them. You should have experience of war either a strange range town with statues with matt. That's use of civil war guys you notice a guy from the ninth bearded infantry that he will just stop and just have a eh ferris bueller moment stereo and then just exploded tirade about what a piece of shitty was that only happened once. No that is lie. It wasn't too statues. I've seen met you know what i will a bit to what we were. Providence rhode island and there was a statute of ambrose burnside or ego is the the most of the civil war but also what are the most incompetent generals the union add a just little sled the army to slaughter that fredericksburg and i got mad that they would i would think to commemorate such oath but that's the only time we were in amsterdam. I vaguely remember you stopping by every other statue to yell yell the l. at their but too much in london there is a there is a square right outside of parliament that has statues of every single prime minister well. He went to every tax you every single statue why they sucked ass every single. What did you have on pitt the younger. I prefer the elder i'm sorry before we get to our special guest tonight. <hes> i have to ask who here was at our debate livestream a couple nights ago bless you bless asu all you're really getting real had our loyal bannerman. The real heads here. Did you have a good time at the bay livestream it was it was prime prime us being drunk and screaming screaming. Not everyone did have a good time and the organizers of this festival got got an email. I don't know if perhaps when you were in the audience you notice some people leaving. Here's the email. We're not just going to talk about it. We're just going to directly. Read it because you know why not. I had a terrible experience. The debate airing at the festival the podcast announcers made mockery of the debates by the wait. Wait a minute so you did say this. The podcast is two words you need to that really tells you all you need to know about who wrote this. I would not say we made mockery. If there's i would say we treated the debate with the intellectual respect that it deserves and it's giving us yes. We tried to watch an old town theater basement assessment but the sound did not win this these people what the story stop it. How do you know that cut his mike. As far as i can tell so they went down to some utility area escape us next to the pizza boxes this it was suggested we go home and watch. We can't suggestive you fuck. We you were kids. I don't know what's going on and i go find another place. We were camping for the film festival. I was all messengered by the i it was almost in tears because i am a patriot oh you are you in the audience right. Now we have a t shirt was free. That's a free ticket refund motherfucker okay i. I think our guest is ready really yes so i think cadeau is here. He is a these the trader to america hates capitalism and he he was a director of fahrenheit nine eleven. Yes and i love nine cavaliers a love story sicko bowling for columbine roger and me bowling for columbine and also wrote canadian video machine sleeping the fire at least michael moore it the it's an honor to be here with you guys. Thank you for the invite us the reason why we're in northern michigan right. That's true yes. Have you ever been here before. I have not but i lived in ann arbor for a year. I did yeah think think of this as the ann arbor of the north now definitely get that vibe. We were on tour not too long ago and we did show in detroit. Where of course we all stood. We all did not leave the hotel because of the sharia law now goes oh surrounding the area. We did not anchors unmarried woman. We run into trouble people there right so were you right downtown detroit. We were near adjacent down to jason. Did you see the fist the joe louis c. in the fifth. Yes that that is that is art here in michigan giant a giant fist. It's like anything we wanna do any kind of public arts. That's five but could it be panching so we saw the what is that installation call with the clocks and the the foreign heidelberg heidelberg heidelberg work project right right. We also got when we were there. We got taken on a car door by a local journalist blogger. Yes yes oh hell yeah. He took us on a tour around just like the totally desecrated desiccated areas of detroit detroit residential neighborhoods just blocks and blocks and blocks of blasted empty landscape and my favorite detail from it was the land boats which there's like a dumping regulation asian about boats in the detroit area. I mean please stop me if i'm butchering the story so it makes more sense for people to just drive their boats that they want to sell into the middle of the city of detroit decouple them and abandon them in downtown detroit so you just like driving around through these empty blocks and they'll just be decaying boat in the middle of the st now tethered to any kind of access to water very big. It's a i think detroit is still a surreal experience for if you're not from here but the idea of a boat graveyard that's very possible. America does not seem well. That is the liz america. They give a shit about detroit. Real doesn't no not really <hes> so likewise. Detroit really doesn't give a shit about america. We you know i'll give you. I'll give here's the example of of of how true that is in the twenty sixteen election ninety thousand michiganders' many of them in detroit ninety thousand stood in line for two hours to vote and went in and voted for every candidate mostly obviously democrats <hes> congress state senate statehouse. All the way down rounded drain commissioner which is our lowest office. We don't have dogcatcher but the person in charge of the sewage you have to vote for that person and they voted for all those offices and left the top box. Blank didn't vote for president ninety thousand michiganders' stood wine hi and waited that long just to say fuck you it was it was like wow that is a commitment. That is a serious commitment. Hilary lost the state by eleven thousand votes refrained commissioner actually beat hillary drain values in michigan. The weird thing about that is to is at bernie won the primary michigan yeah yeah and over zero percent chance to win that primary who gave him no no right that morning i remember that morning on channel two and detroit <hes> the the the forecasters of this days election this primary election i think they said hillary was going to win by <hes> sixty or seventy percent and with some outrageous number and even bernie believed it because he had left the state halfway through the day went to florida went to bed. If you remember when he won michigan they had to wake them up in his motel six motel six and he comes out in a i don't know what he was. It was either as pajamas or the motel. Six bathrobe is seriously you can look you could go online and watch this. It was the most amazing thing in this city that you're sitting in now. When i i use the word city loosely at it's called traverse city. There's only fourteen thousand people that live here a year round classic irony boroughs so in this city hillary beat bernie seventy to thirty percent seventy percent bernie thirty percent he hillary and that was a higher percentage bernie got here that he got in ann arbor so where you're located in this particular particular city in a very very progressive left socialist oasis yeah like <hes> you know i definitely want to talk to you about two thousand sixteen michigan and your thoughts lesson twenty twenty election before that i wanna talk a bit about your early career because chris and i were talking about earlier and he's suggested that in some ways you prefigured the what is now called the dirtbag left which is a look go and just look. I look good. I don't know what you're talking about. What are you saying. What are you talking about and in the eighties. You attended college. You dropped out and then from there. You became editor for the right reason. If you are of the i would say i was of the sloppy left is the precursor is the precursor to the dirtbag left but i dropped out the first day of my sophomore year into a commuter campus in flint and i couldn't find a parking space around our that from your book and after an hour i just said fuck it. I'm done with college and i've never been back so true story. So how did you go from there to being editor it or mother jones. That's what i was wondering. I was putting out my alternative newspaper in flint called the flint voice and it was z. Sort of the the opposition of general motors plant is the hometown of general motors at that time it was the world's richest company and we thought with this you know all we've done is we've been fed force-fed all this bullshit about corporate america general motors etc so we need we need some opposition into this and in flint there was a tradition a historic tradition of this in one thousand nine hundred eight general motors was founded in flint after a year of this conglomerate agglomerate because they bought chevrolet buick and cadillac and all these companies together the people of flint freaked out that this mega corporation something never been seen before was taken over the town so in the next election in nineteen ten the people of flint elected elected a socialist mayor to stop a general motors from essentially taking over the town. This freaked out the people in general boaters so they in the next election decided to run one of their founders charles stewart mott. You might have heard the name the motte foundation it funds shows on p._b._s. or m._p._r. Whatever and they ran neom and they ran in the local newspaper all these scandalous articles about the socialist mayor and convinced the down that he was you know <hes> up to no good and and so this head of general motors essentially took over whereas mayor and then really ran really turned it into a company town so our newspaper the flint voice was to go back to that tradition of taking on the powers the general promoters somebody mother jones saw the paper. They were losing their editor. They called me up and asked her to come out and talk to them and i did and then they offered me. The job and i was so excited that i could do. I was doing flint on a national level. I took the job and i wasn't there a month. When just it i realized oh oh my god made a horrible mistake. <hes> the magazine was owned by a very rich man and he wanted me basically to be his to do his work mr through jones mr jones. We'll just we'll call him. Mr jones and <hes> and i didn't want to run the articles they want to run. It was kind of liberal mushy. She stuff and i what i had done. Is i gave a monthly column to an auto worker on the assembly line in flint and i started doing articles about the sandinistas and all this and they were like whoa and then they wanted me to run an anti sandinista article and then <hes> <hes> you know the the staff was unionized and i kept taking the side of the staff basically and i got called in and was told i was management and i can't take the side of the union and i said well the unions right and this is supposedly a magazine named after socialist. You know you'll you'll we have in mother. Jones is back to its progressive. That's amazing. They're so good these not at all a complete fake mouthpiece for <hes> the initial also i know you had your reasons for cutting that anti sandinista piece but elliot abrams has been a pretty good columnist for jones the past few years a man can turn a phrase yeah so you got. You got some york media taken from big left they they fired me. They fired me four months into the job appropriately on labor day by the way <hes> so i was without a job and i didn't know what to do. You and i was stuck in san francisco and then one day i i saw on the t._v. That roger smith chairman of general motors was eliminated another thirty thousand jobs nationwide from wide and i thought you know i should make a movie about the site have any idea to make a movie. I didn't go to film. School only had a year college in me. <hes> but you know what i'd seen a lot of movies and somebody who's gone to film school. We've seen a lot of movies too and that's what encouraged to become a political and social commentary at home school or you did. My best experience from film school was running the radio station and so you were you. Were basically like a suburban kit right like you. Were the product of the middle class like the deal working getting i was. I was born in the city of flint but my my my dad was <hes> from the city and he married my mom. My mom lived in a in a what was essentially a her family moved there in the eighteen thirties and so so they were like the the first six families that started the catholic parish there and they were very early settlers in that area of michigan and and it it was just a small little village at the time so so my family had actually been there in genesee county for ever from since before michigan was estate and <hes> but yes my dad worked on the assembly line at a._c. Spark plug general motors and <hes> and my mom was a secretary clerk <hes> in a township on chip office and nobody in their generation of their family had ever been to college and yes we had a working class life but the by then the union had fought for so many things i mean we had completely free healthcare. No co pays no deductibles free dental free eye care free warriors. If you needed a lawyer for a will or semi civil our union provided free attorneys there was four weeks paid vacation nation every summer and then a week paid at christmas time and that was five weeks paid vacation the u._a._w. Integrated the assembly lines back in the forties and so our parents worked beside. You know everybody you know. It wasn't just in the old days you know. African americans had to work in the foundry in the worst jobs and by the time you know my dad and my uncles in the sit down strike in nineteen thirty six thirty seven and founded the u._a._w. Saw how so i go with my family goes way back in this whole struggle but ended up with decent teeth because of the union you know all right. Well you do roger and me. Which was i mean it was a hit it was a notable film that got a lot of attention about something that had had been going on for a bit the decline of unions and the industrialization of the mid west of the steel bell auto industry and so on you kept off label throughout the nineties you had to t._v. Shows you the big one. You're speaking tour. I mean what what do you attribute that declined to generally the the decline of a uh of city like flint video which is just the decline of everything by that example while we don't. There's not enough time on this. I know i they really get into that but basically well man wearing sandals and public ah but all yeah but i would say if you look at all of my movies. It is each of them if you put them. All together is twenty hour our film about the evils of an economic system that is unfair unjust and not democratic and as a result the decisions i do not get paid by the people who are affected by the economy and i've never considered this country democracy because it's not to say that we get the vote doesn't make ah democracy. That's part of it but the other part is. We have to have a say in the economy. We have to own the country we the people have to own the country or it's not a democracy accuracy so i asked because it seems like that was the wilderness and we talk about this era of the past forty two years. A lot on this show of kline of labor unions the financial ization of the economy because that's how you understand what's happening happening. Today is knowing about the era where you were doing this work people got scared and they got manipulated and and i and they the companies and the banks decided the way to stop any kind of revolution or any kind of uprising against this was to have people have their heads spinning being so fast force them to be able to live from paycheck to paycheck so they never have a moment's rest make them work two jobs or three jobs so that they can and get involved politically because they don't have the time and dumbed down the rest of the country and their kids take money away from the schools should on the teachers this. There's a whole process going on especially since nineteen eighty since ronald reagan where the the idea has been to create a frightened addition where people are so scared that they're just not going to make it that statistic past year that came out that the majority thirty of our fellow americans do not have enough available cash in the bank or in their pocket that if a loved one died tonight all the way across the country they cannot go to the funeral because they cannot buy a plane ticket. There's no this has been a a heaven that corporate america. I never could have dreamed of that. They could have people so debilitated so demoralized so afraid that they better keep their head down and not say a whole lot not so afraid that that you know we you know virgil. We just gotta. We gotta go to vote for joe biden shares because we don't we know we're gonna lose because because joe biden we go to the middle and we got the middle we gotta get those is trump voters back and it's like wow you know and the pundits there. I was on the show after the election the debate the other night and and it was like i couldn't believe the questions are asked me it was like one thousand nine hundred eighty. Once book of joe crushes how you're going to get back to work in class and they talk about the working class some fucking white guy with a lunch bucket and it's nat the working class. The majority of the working class are women. The majority of the working class our young people and the majority of the working class are people of color. That's the working class and when you say working glass that puts you you say working class. That's not what people think is it. They've got everyone's mind so polluted with the way they want us to see the world a one a so afraid that we will not put in somebody who is going to take their game away from them and so if that's what you want run hillary run joe biden you know and first of all that'll guarantee you're losing. I mean don't get me wrong. Joe biden hillary won by three million votes. Joe biden will win by close to five million popular votes and still never enter the oval office because trump will win the the electoral college again if we don't get this straight right now. That's exactly what's going to happen. I said this back in the summer of sixteen and nobody listened. Send me and i was booed. I'm bill maher when i said it and then i just said they don't wanna hear this. He did not want to hear the new rule. Ah i call bill maher actually he he's he's listened to him and but people were like no no no. No tell us what we want to hear michael. It sounds like you did not go to joe three zero. If you had you would know that by is the way to victory. I don't know what but that was supposed to do. So we have a stroke national television. Michael douglas like that's fine michael. You say that america does not care about detroit but i saw aw eight thousand candidate over the past week making their case right there and did you not believe any of them. We're going to fight for the people that we've been describing tonight. I believe bernie would <hes> and bernie has so i believe i believe i believe a lose elizabeth. Warren has some very good ideas sure sure show why she has to keep saying but i'm a capitalist you know who knows because all her policies are to pull the rug out from under the capital of so and convert you know she's still. She's still in version but i'm i'm trying to. I'm trying to put a happy face on something that i don't even though they have a lotta gall to show up in detroit or flint and <hes> <hes> and first of all just show up in michigan when we learned a month after the flint debate for the two thousand sixteen election between bernie and hillary sorry that hillary was fed the questions in advance by one of the c._n._n. People and they use these mothers in flint at the microphone in the middle of the aisle to ask their questions about the flint water poisoning and he'll renew what they were going to ask when flint found that out people in a city. That's already so demoralized. People decided to stay home in november. Eight thousand african americans who had voted twice for for obama stayed home now they're not going to ever vote for trump but they were not going to vote for hillary clinton and that's never really been discussed as to how did hillary lose the state of michigan a state with four or five majority black cities. That's how that's one of the reasons that she lost the other. Reason was president obama who i love love came to flint during the election year and stood in front of people and drank the flint water telling them was okay when it wasn't okay and we know that that water that one of the aids brought it from air force one. There was no way to get water in that high school because they've been turned off a year and a half earlier. There's no water found. There's no water. There's no kitchen in that high school for the record. I would not still love this man knowing that well. I say that because i it's hard it's hard for me because because i'm a little bit older than you guys so i lived through a different time i live. I i in nine hundred sixty eight. It was the thursday before palm sunday. I'm walking out of our catholic church after mass on this thursday night. One of the dads are gone to warm up. The car turned on the radio. Got out of the car and shouted go to all of us coming out at church. They just shot martin. Luther king and a cheer went up amongst the people coming out of mass out of church. Now i'm an eighth grader and that image so well so seared into my head to this day that i that i would live to see a black man voted president of the united states just that alone was so stunning and reduced reduced me to tears at eleven pm on that election night but especially coming out for after the bush years and someone who claimed to repudiate all through his eight years i was very critical of the things that were wrong for instance when general motors went bankrupt and the government took it over like the government government owned general motors and chrysler man. What an opportunity. What an opportunity to say okay. We're in charge now now. We're we're not in the business of building cars. We're going to turn this back but not until there are some changes change number. One is the internal combustion engine is is killing this planet so we're not going to build those anymore and what detroit is going to be known for is building clean transportation for the twenty first century entry. We're going to build bullet trains. We're going to build light rail. We're we're going to build a bus system. That works and we're gonna get we're going to wean ourselves was offered the automobile what if he had done that what if he done that. Where would we be instead. He just gave him the car company back and they and they just kept screwing the workers. I i'd like to link few these last questions together i think and also shoehorn in <hes> an i hopefully funny anecdote <hes> which is that you know you've been doing the kind of thing that we've been doing very recently for thirty years now and more than that and over that time time you've basically been as far as i can conceive of it in my knowledge of pop culture <hes> one of the bleeding left edges of the democratic craft universe the liberal university in this country and this is the shoehorned anecdote because i remember <hes> fueling political in the early bush years is like a young high school student <hes> going out and like trying to protest the war and public squares and stuff and then me and my friends watching roger and me for the first time and becoming so insanely angered by it that we spent the rest of the evening in my basement widdling weapons like spears out of like extra would that was in the basement for some reason just because we were so just like omni directionally i angry and we were like we're just we just need to do something about incredible movie that we just saw that made us so angry at everyone but so over the the course of the time that you've been doing what you've been doing. Hopefully making people very angry about the people who should be mad at we're now in this place where since two thousand sixteen and now there there is perhaps for the first time in your career like a genuine mass left movement in this country beyond anything that we've seen this week and fifteen hundred socialists are meeting in atlanta atlanta a which might be one of the biggest social gathering he bigger socialist gathering in several decades decades yes and so it kind of popped in two thousand sixteen with bernie campaign and had this huge energizing force behind it and now we're three three years later four years later and we're in these debates and burning is one of the central candidates of these debates and owning people left and right from the debate stage but also they're like nineteen other people around him that are sucking energy out so i just would like to hear your perspective on our current left moment and if from um your perspective of having done this forever. Does this feel like the real deal with you or does it feel like something that we're going to have to struggle and maybe be disappointed with no no no. This is the path to victory into a better country in a better world. I'll tell you why first of all <hes> there may be fifteen hundred social meeting in atlanta right now but <hes> every poll now shows that people under the age age of thirty five the majority believe in socialism over capital. Yes yes yes so. That's the new way it's already ready. Almost all just i could. I could just call today at that knowing that statistic. Here's the other good news. Every year are four million seventeen year olds. Turn eighteen million cents obama's election in a way that means that's eleven years. That's almost forty million forty. Million young people have become voters all right that this is the final year according to the data that the baby boomers will will own the show in the sense of the demographic and the numbers and so therefore very shortly there will be a president. Who does the flaw stance that win. Will we have our first streaming president. I i let me just put a question because you mentioned that you guys you know i listen to you and i gotta say first of all reason. I was honored that you asked three three on the podcast tonight. Is i really think of you as my babies and tell you that story about the we're no dad is baby baby abaci sheila's baby. You're the guy when i was much younger. That was like oh. This is the only person person who knows the right thing round now. Imagine if i was the same age i'd be listening. I go back to what you were talking about earlier about that moment when you who are doing your work about flint and deindustrialization and its consequences our our man done <hes> shower too. Dan told us that the people in traverse city proper you know they're they're good liberals ago left but and the surrounding areas that's all trump country tree and i didn't ask why but it's it's. There's this real question that those are all not just the used hot tub salesman and kia franchise owners who make up trump's base. It's also people who have what what mark's all false consciousness snus that who are should be the people organized in the working class and that's how we agree. That's how you make change my organizing around class lines but then they go off and they become queuing on people they become mega people so we can talk about them and we can also talk about say a the majority of people who do not vote at all and are correct to do so i would argue because they recognize that our politics of fraud and there's no that voting for someone does is not making material. I mean ancient recurrent party system. I mean so how do we get. How do we get out of that. That's the million dollar question and also we keep getting asset interviews and i. I don't have an answer for it to fix politics so i hope you have a good one and i could just repeat it. The first group that you mentioned the ones that vote for trump and otherwise you would think you know maybe there's some hope where you could save them or whatever but you can't <hes> that's just the you have to accept what the cook working so hard trying to worry about them and trying to convince they're the minority and they will never change even the good one. I can name good people in this area that voted for trump good but when i say good people i mean you know they raise their kids their kind e on the street you know they're not assholes but they don't like black people and they're misogynist because they think women are sometimes a little too loud talking a little bit too much and <hes> really shouldn't have any say <hes> over what happens to a fertilized egg and and that i can help them and i have to let them go and i have to trust every year a four million seventeen year olds become eighteen and they're not assholes you know we and they've also got mad from facebook memes but your generation your generation and the generation generation. That's coming after you the one that's been in the parkland generation they'll cut. These kids are so great. They don't hate. They don't judge you you on on on who you love. It's a very different generation and that's who is becoming voters and the older people who who who see black people in a certain way who see women in a certain way they are and god rest their souls dying off and really been dying off about this thinking about this anybody who was over the age of fifty five in one thousand nine hundred eighty and voted for ronald reagan on average. They're dead. They're dead and that's why i was really talking to all these people on m._s._n._b._c. the other night after the debate. They keep talking about politics. It's nineteen eighty. Those people were gone. Why are you talking about these reagan democrats. They die but a lot of good stuff about ronald reagan in the news lately. I don't know we want to slander him to roll the nixon tape but wait a way to take to take i. I'm sorry story but i think you answered my question because you're just saying <hes> just waiting. The demographics will sort it out but i know a lot of young people who are rich fucking country club gated community. Mary shit voting and who know where they're fucking. Bread's buttered that is not. I am asking a specific if it question. How do we rebuild working class. Consciousness in this country has been systematically destroyed over the past forty years. I'm sorry for yelling yelling that the second part of your question tim ryan twenty twenty the people who don't the people who don't vote they make up the largest political party in america is called the non-voter party there. Are there are more of them. That are the democrats republicans or independence the non voters they're they're the people we should reach out to their the people that we have a chance but we will not win them with joe biden and we won't with them with with white privilege platitudes of how we define things. It happens because you know. I've been saying this for some time now. If if the swing states will get ballot proposals on the ballot next year to bring out this base. We have a chance of winning. They're not gonna come out for the democratic eroded did in two thousand and four putting the gay marriage propositions on the ballot to bring out the conservative right and it worked fourteen states passed. The anti-gay marriage is laws in two thousand and four in michigan. We kicked the republicans out of lansing the governor the lieutenant governor secretary state and the attorney general all all the democrats. They were all elected in november but it was not because of them necessarily although the governors are woman lieutenant governor is black the attorney general's a lesbian van and the secretary of state can count past ten. That's pretty good but we did it because we put proposals on the ballot to get out the youth vote. We put legalized marijuana. Not this medical marijuana stuff or partial illegal. No full legalisation full legalization. We doubled the youth vote from the last off year. Election doubled speaking of which if anyone after the show has the second bella proposal was to outlaw gerrymandering that pass was seventy sixty one percent of the vote to ultimat- gerrymandering illegal but that brought that brought people. I don't think you're so the premise of your question this loss of working class consciousness. I think the consciousness is higher than it's ever been because of everybody that's been put down into the situation of having to live from paycheck to paycheck. That's the majority of our fellow citizens. You can't have more consciousness than that when you're trying to figure out what the fuck am i going to do about my bills. What i'm talking about is not just awareness of your situation and but that translating into political affinities into political action that forces material change ninety seven percent of black women voted against is trump ninety seven percent. I'm telling you we need african. Americans especially black women young people women in general seventy percent of the people were eligible eligible to vote next year and i'm talking about democrat relatives the whole american voting public seventy percent of them are either women people of color or between the ages of eighteen and thirty five or combination of the three that is seventy percent of next year's electric if we can't fucking speak to that if we can't get bella bella proposals and pass laws if we can't run candidates that they're going to be excited to get up in the morning that warning in november of twenty twenty and vote for them. Nobody aw wake up that morning saying. I can't wait to get to the polls to vote for joe. Yeah yes so gonna happen and that's how we're gonna lose but my dad but three zero eight eight. I mean you know what that is but it sounds very millennial. It is it like a hologram. Is it some sort of a one of those things like the q._r. Code zero yes as matt but i mean where where we are right now for example. It's early days. There's no doubt it'd be silly to try to forecast asked what's going to happen for all the important stuff we've been talking about because <hes> we're we're in the richard killian level of elections right now but you gave the correct answer which is that earlier that bernie is the real candidate who offers a vision of change and actual structure of change a plan for change among the democratic candidates and streetfighter man. He's the only way to defeat. A streetfighter is with the street correct now now. You've been watching the debates. We've been watching them so. I guess what i'm asking is. How do you see the internal period. We have in front of us shaking out. I mean you have biden. He is seen as quote unquote electable. He stays on the top of the polls right. Now you have worn as a kind of of like sidecar to bernie that never quite supersedes him but who who is <hes> certainly appealing to a certain class and to a certain subset subset of the democratic base and so i'm interested to hear a little bit on the stage tonight about what you think we we can expect after this opening shots with the eight thousand interchangeable. I don't wanna sound too woke about it but really they are our white eyebrow 'less or eyebrows warning iran too much eyebrow. The only slider on the around ten democratic candidate is the eyebrows chill chill biden as you said joe biden n._p._c.'s relabel them. You know it's a swamp joe biden. It's a fucking mountain. Joe biden michael bennett john hickenlooper andrew biden himself like were confronted with all of these. Do you think they slay them away and we're fine line or do you think there's an actual threat posed by the legacy of obama wielded by joe biden which would be a real worry for anyone expecting thing <hes> bernie to cut through the twenty twenty race remember that open mic on on biden when they were gonna sign some bill and can deal big fucking deal c._a. Okay monday root. Beer tasted a lot better we need. We need an oh. We need an accident open mic on obama when he says the biden get the fuck out of this race because as you really do you really think i bet obama would know he won't do it. He won't do it partially because he he doesn't want bernie to get the nomination. Bernie is the most dangerous thing to all of them because bernie will up end the whole game that they're playing all these democrats that are pundits on the on the cable news networks. They're all working for somebody. They're you're all answering to some some money somewhere. You have to know that <hes> these x. I want to who claire mccaskill. What what what is she doing. Who's she lobbying for famous winner claire mccaskill. I know it was funny. Because the last cycle grumpy wrong there was a ballot initiative in missouri that passed yes for the raise the minimum wage while claire mccaskill owned that she lost because the national party was too fire to the left. That's right. She's one hundred percent eventually. The valley is let me tell you. I ran on me something here. This is this is. This is another example. If we stay on this path of how we're going to we're going to lose and this is <hes> comal a harris. This week announced <hes> her new policy position position yes yes. We talked about it on stage. I actually don't think we've read it on the shows. This might be the reading in into this is. I'm quoting voting her quoting her and i love this so much. I'm not going to add because we're gonna be wanting the entire. We'll the exact words here. She goes yesterday. I announced that as president uh i'll establish a student loan debt forgiveness programs for pill grant recipient. Ooh ooh start a business that operates three dan you yeah. I really hope i'm not. I really hope that i'm not stealing joke from an actual episode the day after this happened happened. She'd text us saying that we need to cover this on the show because that literally describes her this my that's true we did do that. Yes pilgrim recipient who started small business then operates in the neighborhood of brooklyn new york coming abuse somebody actually did the numbers on that and if that was a current program it would forgive the pell grants of something like fifteen thousand people the united states wonderful. No this will keep people home exactly this will keep people home and and and this is why i this is why they're afraid of bernie because he doesn't put a bullshit like this he says exactly what it is that he's going to do and and and so there i if we end up along these lines with a candidate like this if bernie can't look. I don't know if the polls of the polls if you can believe the polls let's say a year from now or nine months from now while the primaries are going on in the starting probably six months from so now like february january february yeah so if the if the polls keep showing that bernie would be trump biden would-be-trump harris would-be-trump warren would be trump if there's four of them will be trump then there's a clear one of them that will be on our side and we'll fight for the working people and the poor of this country and <hes> that is obviously bernie sanders and he will take trump down now. We keep imagining the debates with m._p. Great bernie versus trump who love it okay. I'll make a prediction right. Now should bernie be the candidate trump. Trump will refuse to debate. Yes i think three majors refused to debate period just because he can and he loves to do these things where we're all planning planning for it being normal and he is the anti normal and he will not show up to the debate. I disagree. I think he's going to be regular dealer he's going to do he's going to be great. I think he's going to be normal with it. He's gonna be he's gonna be folks to present for four years. I've been low key nutty with. I'm folks. I've gotta goaded on the sticks. I'm nice with six cracked but but honestly but honestly i think that he'll do one maybe and then it will go horribly and then they'll go away at all. I could see what's the difference different. The ship as sterling hayden said mike. I know we're going long but i was hoping we could do <hes> just two more things with you and one is you told me tonight. You have a three point plan for winning next year yes. It's a very simple nine nine nine. Thank you finally finally her. I said this last night but for the others wining dining nine nine nine for in order for the three point plan to work the majority of us have to start owning the fact that we are the majority. We are the american majority the majority of americans. It's agree with us on every single issue. The majority of americans take the progressive position on every named the issue. Go ahead named whether it's minimum wage mass incarceration a choice. It doesn't matter what the issue is. Every poll shows that the majority of americans agree with us that is a gift that is rarely early handed to throughout history. I mean martin. Luther king didn't have the majority with him. No not at all you know. Gloria steinem didn't have the majority with her. This rarely happens is the fact that it's so perfect especially for the amount of alcohol has been consumed here tonight there is i'm still good to try. Uh-huh the works already been done for us. The people think already with us. We don't have to go out and convince anyone that a fertilized egg is not a human being. We don't have to go out and convince anyone that it is wrong to lock up millions of african americans in our prisons we i don't have to convince people that marijuana's the weevil a stinger could never ever existed that we don't have to do any of that. They're already with us. That's the power and forget about wasting your time on anything else right now. A third of the white guys will come along just because you know some cool will make reckoned engine. Yes yes so here's the three so here's the three ways victory because there are certain that we will tell them that we won't like you. If you don't vote the way we like number. One people came out out of the woodwork last november to vote. We had one of the hugh the largest turnouts for an off your election ever and what did they do. They put the democrats back in charge of the house. If the democrats don't do anything in these two years and one year is almost up. They are not going to come back next year. They will think that that was a waste of time. The democrats in the house have to do something and they can sit back and say well. We can't do anything because it said it won't do it you. You know they can impeach. They don't need the senate to impeach. They need to impeach. They need to create a historical record that what this president has done is criminal. It's immoral and it's wrong just plain wrong and they need to go on the record and say that and we don't need to take five months within the impeachment should take a week right evidence already exists the evidence exists. We don't have to do any evidence collection. I agree with you. I am not optimistic on this one i am. I think if the democrats talk about nancy now. How many are they now broke. The majority of the caucus today is supports an impeachment <hes>. This is the rare thing where the <hes> out of snow song. We gotta do something <hes> comes into play because just do literally any forgive me. It's an offer pessimism awesome but the fact that just breezed through the fucking u._s. House billions of dollars for the president to continue running his fucking concentration camps on the border order fucking the continued lag accountability for our fucking gift shop on the fucking border gives also responded to criticism from okay oh see from ilan omar from aggressives in that caucus by going after them in demonizing them gives me very little hope for nancy. Pelosi should give you a little hope for us winning next year because pelosi's behavior guarantees that those people that came out in november we hadn't voted in a long time are going to stay at home home yeah because they've seen her pissant the very people that they put in there because they wanted change change doesn't occur if they can't take a stand against trump and i'm not talking about russia. I'm talking about it's enough for me to impeach him because he said last week that article two to article to give me the right to do anything i want now you don't have that power and now i have to impeach you. For what does he. The damn impeachment why peach mint is long as one of the articles is it is charged at the president. Where's the diaper because that's all talk about for the next two years. He would just be like. I don't wear a diaper fake news and he would get everybody the cabinet press conferences. We like to eyewear typer and be like no you note where typer and then whoever nomination they would spend the entire campaign. Every commercial would be low at president donald trump. I don't wear a diaper this message we would be like what the fuck i. What about healthcare diaper. I do not wear one so you know it's fake news. That's the only way it's gonna gonna work number. Two what i mentioned earlier. We need ala proposals in the in the dozen swing states where a on the ballot there these measures that will bring out the base the people that will vote for our candidate that if we do do that i'm telling you it's a slam dunk. If we have minimum wage ballot proposals your rights amendment for women <hes> i mean just there's a whole list of things we could put on their student. Loan relief <hes> free college you know <hes> i re- i e the candidates for the proposals because as we saw in missouri missouri people came out for the dam may will come out but bala- frigging claire mccaskill for her working harder. That's correct so that brings me to point number three. We need to run a beloved candidate who is a street fighter for the working people and the poor of this country because they're the majority the of the country and when they see somebody fighting for them not not telling them for the ump teeth time that they're from oklahoma and therefore and my four brothers role role in the military and trying to do all this stuff to patronize what they think the working class wants to hear when what they want is to be able to fly to the funeral of an aunt or grandparent and have the money to be able to do that. That's all they're asking for hang john. Don't you think the working class might want someone who's skateboards i or no languages. They don't add something that every legal per at dinner tables across the country that they are talking about god. I just want someone who speaks finnish as a caveat as far as skateboarding gay. Boarding a number of countries lowered the voting age to sixteen. I support this six involved right. I need more youtubers directing directing aid on youtube that are this is my sephora hall also why you should be voting for bernie sanders. Every single angle person who owns felix in fortnight should be dial devote. Yes no matter if they're nine years old now that you guys all old nick joy president logan dog county punking on the teenagers you know you don't turn into your parents come on the do you know that by the circle of life. I think that's all i just watch. I just watch video today of probably fifty teenagers bum rushing the fence at lollapalooza in chicago and getting all over together through a feat of collective give action and disturbed that he fifty one rate they could not stop them all and they all got into so one easy. Those puckett aliens guy was arrested and i hope he had a smirk on his face and said could not get us all now look. We have to do this mike i. I know we're running a bit long but if you if you do this for us we have a regular segment on chapel. Trap house called the duck hunt where we we who what the hell is. The duck call episodes who readers death threats and then we were worried about getting sued the actual truth so since we are talking about twenty twenty two debates which are you. You saw the last two debates yes. The new york times has an interactive feature up in opinion piece featuring uh just a stable of commentators some of their in house call eggs pundits thoughts yachts fox who all acts snacks who they gave the assigned a numeric grade to each candidate and explained explained why and it is bat shit crazy and we will we would like to reach out and then a roast the response. Did you do us the honors of doing this with us. I had absolutely okay with this okay. Let's do it all right. I'm seen this. Have you know oh okay. You're or either ever seen today yeah. It's a bummer folks. I'm just going to be honest with you because we got liz mayor doing a lot of commentary metairie now liz mary a republican strategists who correct me. If i'm wrong i love exile and guide ville. It's a great album. She worked for walker. Paul perry perry republican fundraisers folks sure you've noticed like just saying in your never trump rebublican means you get so many writing gigs in the liberal media. It's easy so we're going to get a bit from her now. Sanders the new york times response response plucking cherry picking you heard of this guy said bernie sanders from the first night five out of ten liz mair sanders made the the same mistake warranted punching down but he's also what they're the managers the populace stra <hes> <hes> cam winder down the pharmaceutical executives who she puts down owners of big shares in these companies. She hasn't explained no no i it because he said that the one thing when she says punching down she means attacking tim ryan and john delaney because they are low in the polls yeah that makes them minority. Tim ryan happy. One percent impressive natural polls basically makes you polled america we debate beta over who is baby on the show but john delaney's one hundred percent. Oh my god punching a baby punching down but he's also sanders far less policy fluent than warranties and he gets a lower market result like warren sanders got fairly pinned on banning private health insurance and no one other again contrast what you experienced during this debate with the new york times is registering this like warren sanders got fairly pinned on banning private health insurance here and no one other than unions will his trade answer. No one on everybody will john dating now. Sarah vowel three out of ten when when senators warn and sanders dismissed legitimate critiques of their similar health plans particularly the radical proposal of abolishing private health insurance applause line as republican talking points. I was enraged to a degree that i cannot adequately describe newspaper job to describe it. She's basically like one of those mothers who had superhuman strength to lift a car off of her kid but her kid is aetna. Ah she adds an apology would be nice biology. He does sarah vowel to apologize to pull cross may a._m. Cry mayor mayor p._d. With the little with the little gnat on his head apparently which has happened in the first night someone gives them seven out of ten says he's super progressive brett steven shoutout he was far and away the most poised and confidence speaker persuasive and pleasantly ingratiating even when i didn't agree so he's loving them and serve al sari she gave the worst answer is this is gonna be a theme eight ten. If you had read his memoir and he had me at gym class was not my scene. He was educated. He was educated at oxford and the navy. Oh god educated this kid the davey he does a sheep shake for the clove hitch assures us. It's going to be president so the fuck kloba chart you know we all love club but you everyone in this room has had a shoe thrown brought them by amy klobuchar and if you're not her pledges that she will come do each and every house and throw a piece of her office at you also <hes> the midwest. I believe minnesota state. That clinton almost lost close. We'll charge thing is i wanted multiple times. We're we're working on. I literally do not know who that is will wilkinson for the new york times senate's shit cleanser. Senator is a stone cold killer. Ah yes he literally. They're worried in rock creek park in d._c. But she's playing thing it cool. She's going slow and steady up the middle without being a jerk to the left like delaney her no nonsense practical monte climb the ladder. Eh her no nonsense practical gator done mid western affect is thrilling but it connects i can't i who who are you talking about all new york. You have never talking to a purse. You've spoken to a person who makes six figures. Who is that taking a dip drake order it thirty fucking years. Who are you talking about that is the matt kris van that ladies and gentlemen is the matt crispin that we've been watching the debates with anna hertel room and publicly for the past couple of days. Evoke has a crossbow aimed rice squarely at my four. Hey her name is incredibly good. If you would like to call the police that would be wonderful. She's doing very well right now. All right here we go biden. This is the new york times review of body. You heard of this guy mr biding. I'm gonna go through with everybody. Charles blow gave him seven out of ten. This was okay. This is my own personal thing. He says this was a make or break moment and he made it or precisely he scraped by so he didn't make or break he did something on goddamn. Concept can't say make or break it. Is something else besides make or break. It's now cast your failed. How or something charles bro blow not as good as his father. Curtis curtis flow much better. Okay okay liz mare by the way liz mary. I used to be a media reporter okay and when i was a media reporter i worked for i worked for hazebrouck. I worked for springfield. Uh when i worked for vice i worked for newsweek and every time private prisons were in danger lose mayor would hit me up and she would give me the skinny on why they're being given her audio and when the obama administration in their last legs were federally trying to crack down our private prisons i got a huge book and dump from liz mare and my inbox so she's not only origins the bad person that person in a metaphysical sense you are bad not only a representative lewis but just a bad person now. She says there's eight hundred ten for biden. Wild the hits just keep on coming but he was much more fluid tonight three oh three three oh three three yeah three eight gray. The gray matter between his ears was much more fluid than it was solid brain. Matter was fluid by the end of the tonight. It was wonderful. You're basically mid when he said he had a wendy's frosty between his ears. By the end of the debate lewis folks willing only to throw any punches and showcases experience. He handled harris well in many exchanges. I suspect the frequent invocation of obama the fact that isn't sound scripted and looks just aggressive enough. We'll keep keep him in good. Standing biden was very tough against people who were mysteriously burned toast in his vicinity getting a lot of traction just from knowing who the last guy he worked for is now. This is the last one we're gonna gonna do. I skipped over a couple. Y'all remember delaney john john holiyay friend of the show <unk> brand of the show them our big baby human anthem john. You're john delaney right mike. I don't wanna lose john delaney because that's the entertainment vodka right there. He is the he'll he's the beautiful villain win in any of these debates okay now. This is the new york times. All of the reviews that i've that i've highlighted here are looks at every moment on those debates like he's about how to edit an entry in wiki feet folks okay okay. We're going to go through four john delaney reviews from new york times liz mayor starting it up at nine out of ten partner you were there you remember how he was clearly a nine out of ten. He looked like a anthropomorphized bucket goofy like every time he smiled. There should have been like a little bubble above his head. What if mario on the stage he would jump on him. A coin from yeah got fucking head. Okay liz mayor nine out of ten unbelievable nine out of ten of virtual no name who seemed to garner more text from senator sanders worn both both of whom were not unnecessarily and dangerously punching down then. I'm just fucking. Pay go to two point five billion dollars at be fair got way more oxygen. He deserved and that's what he wants to stay life now. Everyone knows his name that wasn't true before tonight on trade he and beth oh are far closer to the actual democratic electorate and sanders warrant and he forced them to spend a lot of airtime showing how out of step they dr with their own voters bottom line. He got the big dogs to elevate him which should have been completely impossible and even if he's not where the base is on policy overall. He'll probably do better as a result. He really can't do worse. I love that it's like <hes> he made a day for himself. It's like yeah that's scrappy a go-getter john wayne casey okay and the name for himself. They call him diaper. John delaney college shit head john delaney. Everyone's saying ball dip shit lady. It's on everyone's lips. No one can stop saying okay brad stevens climate denier wall street journal asshole ever written an interesting or memorable phrase this life sponge like scum accretion per one type of western civilization sation suffered like the fact that he has the joppy as honestly means that society should not exist. If those are the kind of results that it will put out iraq war promoter under anti-arab racist red stevens friend of the show friend of the show eight out of ten for john delaney well well. I agree with much of what he says and democrats desperately need to hear the voice of someone like him who speaks for a lot of voters turned off by the constant demonization station of the private sector democratic electric has spent dying lover actor folks if dying for the voice of the teacher for peanuts. I i want to make it so that people can actually access healthcare this country well next next and this is the second to last peter weiner all right okay penis. That's just being as as real name as chris said he has two names for pena's retro times columnist dick johnson eight out of ten went for john delaney. He helped himself the most known by almost no one before tonight. He was quite effective. Criticizing the healthcare plans of warren and sanders. He's serious and made the essential point. Warren's and sanders agenda is essentially anti private-sector ono who doesn't love the private sector you strap you you down to a table and but force-feeding you pull and dog and horse shit in your mouth for the last thirty years. He's against it folks. Do you think warren suspenders suspenders anti-ppe arrive. It's actor that we will not hear the words private-sector five years from now talk yeah thanks to the eighteen to thirty thirty five year old socialists majority. Let sounds you go to small town. America go to diners everywhere and everybody's like we love our private sector. We're just worried about it now. This is what you're only will not hear it because of the compliance cube which requires us to have good thoughts at all time. Why do these people. We'll have jobs who is paying them. This is absolute free now. I'm thinking of running for president because you hey. I am like go for this thing to this. One of my platform planks will be to round up all the pundits yeah yes and now i'm another violent person. There's a lot of room out in utah. We can build them a nice town now. There's fear there's a nice on occupied ranch called skin walk. Somebody are mine putting all. T's <music> all probably wanted many visit. I don't know i i don't know if plays the trumpet but somebody should play taps for the new york times. Oh my house it is over. It is over. It's over. It's it's amazing. You know and we do need. I an inquisitive aggressive press in this country and we don't have it. We do not have it and this what you just read is stunning running thing that that would my god. You know a lot of money to spend digitize. Now in the world is still here fifty to one hundred years this this us people are gonna read it. They're gonna symposiums where they're just gonna laugh at us right now. They're not going to believe this was called the paper of record that this is the most important newspaper yeah and it's gonna look awful. They're range of commentary is five different people who all give john delaney eight out of ten out of ten folks that sounds stupid but you're forgetting the actually referring to his his physical attractive. Yes yes yes god tip time. He's he's a big good vich jack. I live in a country where the majority of voters the seventy percent are women people of color and young adults. I believe the majority of voters. The actual people are to the left of elizabeth warren they paint her <music> as as someone who some leftist pied piper the actual people out there struggling day in day out you know they may not have a label oh for themselves but the things they believe in our to the left of elizabeth warren and in some ways to the left of bernie bur the way you we have to look at bernie and elizabeth warren is they're. They're as good as we've got and they will act as servants of the people. The people need to direct them them to do the job that needs to get done in all these networks. They have an agenda that they're pushing. It's clear what the agenda is. You guys have called him out on it and do they listen. I hope they listen to this. We know there some sick berryman who listen to the show things at them. There are some little pain pigs enjoy garrison syrian air in there for there's some of them that honestly we cannot even tell you because then we lose the satisfaction of them continuing to getting back well if they are listening right now. Let me just say one of them is a treat boy. I'll tell you that much these new york times columnist to the right wingers who are pundits on m._s._n._b._c. <hes> america is laughing at you. You are a joke and we're lucky enough to have this show as a means to amplify the fact that we think your joke you hear me. All you eight out of tanners. You're you're. You're god damn joke. You're fraud or onto you and and by god we are going to somehow an end run around you so that we are going to run the country from this point on we the working people the poor or of america the majority of americans who believe in these things you now somewhat tepid applause from the audience because it's hard to believe that we would ever be in charge because it's been destroyed. The idea of working people coming together and extracting concessions demanding their fair. I share that idea has been destroyed not in me. It has the eliminated from this continent that hasn't and not in the people i know and and when i'm in the the white house here we go here yo secretary of state right here got. That's too much for me. Take yes hurt again. Role yes secretary of agriculture that sucks knox. Oh you're you're you're going to roku coarser girl the we for a new america. That's that's your job. Thank you my goal. Now i mean i think that's as as inspiring as a place to end on a overruling a different feifdom of germany closing thoughts. I wanna thank you for coming to traverse city. I want to thank this audience for being here and <hes> <hes> i wanna. I wanna remind you of something. There are more of us than there are of them. That will never change so take the power. That's already in your hands. We can make something very important happen in in the next eighteen months. We have to do this folks. We don't have a choice no choice not choice because we have someone in the white house who truly thinks he's never leaving leaving and may actually act in a way or do something whether it's to start a war or to create fake terrorist incident or to just say i'm not leaving because because all these illegal aliens voted for the democrat whatever it is. He's got up his mind. This is this is truly the most dangerous time that we've ever been in and and to sit by and not do anything <hes> we'll. We'll certainly are ruined so take take pride in the power that you have. You're not alone if you're listening to the someplace out there. In the middle of the country <hes> you are not alone. You are are the majority and and we will succeed because we are smarter than brad stevens in that is that is the message of jeremy corbyn. We're many they're few and that is the message of bernie sanders me us we s- we the very first american word it's in the first word that we wrote down. We the people not me the people we the people that's where we are. This is our last chance folks. It's in your hands. This is our last chance michael more. Thank you so much for jamie. Yes the.

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Baseball Has Returned

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Baseball Has Returned

"Baby? Into the game. You kind of your money tie find out. It was bad for my pets were safe. which wouldn't be juice? Point spreads the pets. The teasers, the parlays from Vegas to you. This is behind the batsman. Welcome back to another episode of behind the Best Doug Zarian at defied draftkings. We are taking this on Mondays a little earlier because we're going to baseball preview. The season gets going the end of this week. Buster only a friend of the program. He's been on air and he was actually on per season preview a few months ago. Obviously have been got delayed with the coronavirus, so he's GonNa. Be Back sort of assess the sixty dame schedule, and what he's hearing with all this sources in some teams that stand out some storylines that stand out so a lot of good valuable information for bettors with buster, and also pressed in Johnson friend of the. The program well for the daily wager as well. He's going to discuss his model what he has and some stuff. That's interesting, basically always gonNA talk about our favorite plays, including buster and precedents, some great longshots, even a thousand. No one ticket in his hand he likes could be a mistake by the book, and we all have some longshots. We like and sort of the theme of the PODCAST. We will see some variants here on this upcoming abbreviated season, so first foster then president, and then later in the week we'll do our golf, and you have see obviously West Reynolds as hot as be pick two winners, and I believe four golf. Golf Tournaments Christina. We have A. we have a savant here. We have the crystal ball for golf. We do lucky us. He's on a roll now that he's been doing well so known west. Awhile at I knew he'd be a great addition to the podcast rotation, so he's He's made me look pretty smart by bringing them on the right time. He's picked two winners already, so we'll get depressed in a little bit, but I. Baseball finally makes his return to television. Make sure you're keeping up with all the major league news with buster only in the baseball tonight podcast download and subscribe to baseball tonight as well as behind the bets on Apple. Apple spotify or wherever you get your podcast. Stop Hammer time out to welcome in a friend of the program and also someone. We've had here a few times, and he is synonymous with baseball's anyone out there buster. Only thank you, how are you? I'm hanging in there and they'll get excited tomorrow driving down. Washington DC GONNA be there for that first Yankees nationals game I'm going to be doing sideline reporting and I think sideline is is going to be something that we're. The definition is going to be floating as we go along under these social distancing roles. Yeah, and obviously with no fans, it'll be a unique experience for you, but yeah. I'm fired up. I know our listeners are put out something on twitter, asking anyone who had any questions for the podcasts at eighteen replies within the next I five minutes, but you know it's funny. You and I always do this season preview the last couple of years you talk about the farm in Vermont while I'm in Wolf were New Hampshire right now so I was thinking about you as we do. The season preview here, the doing do a little Arnuhar before the season gets underway, but let some. You're into it. I was getting close enough. If I give you the address, you can go and see my farm in Vermont if you want. Right and you haven't had lose because you. You've nailed your ear season. Win Total play, so let's talk about some of these plays. will serve the Yankee jobs. You wrote a book about the Yanks. They are the CO favorites right now with the dodgers I personally I'm a little skeptical about how great they are. They're obviously very good. And I pick them to win the division, but some of that pitching behind Tanaka and coal is a little shaky up. Are they as good as they lost gorgeous? Are they as good as advertised right now? Doug. We began a summer camp period. I was working myself into picking the race to win the American League East and win the World Series You know feeling like hey, that's a really good team and they are a really good team. But then in watching the Yankees go through their inter squad games, and then over the last couple of days play the mets on my God they are stacked and Ray. Look Great Giancarlo. Stanton is dropped wait. He's more flexible. He's got more baseball player body. He looks tremendous. Aaron judge is healthy Miguel, and do our add an evaluator. WHO's watching some of the Games on television? And do are basically missed all last year in this evaluator, said man. He looks like Sammy Sosa right now I. Mean He's crushing the ball. They have so much position player death and you're right. That the starting pitching behind Garrett, Cole is somewhat of a question, and then I watched Jordan Montgomery last night and he showed exactly. In conversation I had with Aaron Boone in spring training where. Jordan Montgomery looks unbelievable. Last night Jordan Montgomery's out there throwing five different pitches, he's moving the ball around hitters completely off balance and I was texting some of the Yankee people going. Wow, look at that guy and if the Yankees actually. Rotation, that could be A. Stack team I felt that there was a chance who is going to be the best team on paper that we've seen since those ninety eight thousand Yankees, so their win total at caesars is thirty six and a half raise right there at thirty four Red Sox, thirty and a half given what's going on with the Blue Jays and not really a permanent home just yet and we know the orioles like are the Red Sox five above-500-seat nope? I'm a little bit surprised. When I saw that number I was surprised because they have so many starting pitching issues right Yemen you lose for sale. He is Tommy John Surgery. Water Rodriguez who is supposed to be the race He was diagnosed with Kobe. Now, they're turning to Nathan of all. The is the race who is a long injury history and let's face it and I've heard this from general managers managers. They say that with with some teams once the losing starts in a sixty game season. It might you might see. Cases were teams. Kinda go off the rails a little bit, and you might even be more likely to see and teams that are not winning two players. Saying you know what I don't like the way this is going on. I hit a service benchmark. I'm going to take it to the house. House so I don't think of the Red Sox is being a team that's going to be over five hundred right because there are some players that are apprehensive understandably, so what their futures, obviously we. We know certain players who aren't going to be playing this year. Even trout's on the fence, so if the losing starts you wonder if some of the players that were on the fence to start the era I like we're seeing the NBA, right? The A lot of guys Bradley. Beal and company are coming back for those eight games remaining in the regular seasons pointless. Might! See that the back end. What are usually jump The gun? I usually start with this. What are some of the things? The inside sort of scoops in your conversations with all your great sources that you've heard that Kinda really surprise you. Wow, that's interesting. You know. The one for sure is. Generally speaking, a lot of my conversations have been about the way. The players are handling the corona virus, health and safety protocol that the players at the beginning of this there was a lot of concern that you'd have a lot of players who would say you know? I'M NOT GONNA go along with this. Doesn't look like something that is necessarily going to work a something. I don't WanNA participate in. It seems like that. Those guys are coming together. You know that's sorta broad inside view of what's going on around baseball now. When it comes to particular players, you know you hear about cody bellinger for example who won the MVP last year, and after making some swing changes, and then you hear, he's making more swing changes. I was watching the the dodgers exhibition game last night. Cody bellinger I think it was a grand slam that he hit my. Looks Great. He is on top of the plates. And it reminded me of I was texting back and forth with Dave Roberts, the dodgers manager today I said it's a little bit like Anthony Rizzo of the cubs, where he had trouble on pitches the report of the plate, and so he absolutely crowds the plate the takeaway that enter inside corner. The high fastball away from opposing pitchers in it makes them more effective Robert Van score actor. Hitting coach just talked this afternoon, and he talked about how in cody is is getting rediscovering a feel for his swing dope. He's going to be great, and you do wonder if it's to be case with him. Playing alongside mookie Betts were where he's going to be driven. You know there you hear a lot of optimism in the mets camp about Yowen assessments, and he's moving well and swinging well, it was the word, and then I watched him in the weekend. Exhibition Games against the Yankees and I don't know if that was necessarily the case in Toronto. There is a con of excitement to actually not in Toronto now. In Buffalo Road Pittsburgh or Baltimore ever they play. There's a great feeling around that scene like that team. It's not only they WANNA. Play the Games. Because they like the idea of having homefield advantage, but they kind of think they can do some damage in a sixty game season Let's face it. The playing field a little bit more level than a sixty game season, and their young talent could fully manifest in maybe the great wildcard I feel like in the American League he's GonNa be Nate Pearson. This rookie pitcher who wouldn't have started the year if we'd had a regular season I if he wouldn't have started the Aaron April, because of his enemies counts, but those are obsolete. Now those are off the board. Teams are now looking for ways to develop young players all right so dodgers thirty eight and a half, but it's juice to the under at CAESARS. CAESARS. That's a high ass, but really the National League. It's like them wide open after that the Blue Jays I'm with you a twenty-seven half. They are a giant wildcard lineup. I mean you can even get Vladimir Guerrero. Junior forty five to one the lead the majors in home runs. I've seen worse. Pets I've made worse. Bets some of heart twitter questions. How will shorten season impact, the use of bullpens, like for example or managers expected to go the bullpen more often earlier I've even heard like starters like the throw on off days getting inning of relief, just because the importance of one game is essentially. You know three Ex. Yeah at the outset, it's going to be a lot like September baseball and it's hard to say that allowed because we kind of all hate September baseball. Rosters, but as one general manager said to me the other day it's GonNa be a parade relievers yet now there are certainly you know. They're gonNA. Be Exceptions Garrett Cole looks like he's ready started game seven of the world series right now but there will be some teams where the starters are built up more to forty five to sixty pitches, and so you'll see the managers calling on the bullpen, the fifth sixth seventh inning. It's y you know. Typically, we don't really see relievers. Come into the CY. Young conversation anymore. You wonder if this year would outline where someone like Josh, the brewers in could become a factor in and that. SORTA race relievers are going to be. Especially important. You took the words right out of my mouth for my next. Question is all right so I've heard some buzz about relievers in eight. Even closers because the stats may not be there for starters I know we're beyond just wins and losses. We use obviously Brahma rate evidence at the last few years, but Have a guy like with five wins four wins. It'd be art just just the just that number in just the habit we have as sort of baseball fans I. Imagine Getting Twenty Saves or eighteen saves or something like that might sway the voting so anyone you mentioned hater, anyone else from the pitching sort of or even a starter. Catch your eye in terms of potential to win. The Cy Young Garrett Cole at forty two one shots envied the. That's MVP right? Yes, wow, so you're saying a pitcher could go MVP as well. Oh, absolutely, and I tell you why it shocks me. Because we're all focused on him like every time he takes the mound. We're all aware of it every run. Everyone around baseball is aware of it, and he looks phenomenal, and I've also. You know someone who work in new. York for a Lotta years fully aware of how these things go in terms of the conversation starts up and begins to build and of Garrett, Cole comes out of the gate, throwing great. Let's say he beats Max. Scherzer in that opener in. He gets on a roll. It could be like Fernando Valenzuela Nineteen eighty-one like it just is something that the writers. Really latch onto and so at forty two one. That one jumped out. I'm like now. He he, he someone who. because. You've got so much attention the winter with the contract that he signed all the expectations how good that team could be, he could do a lot of damage and sixty games. Enter the MVP conversation while that is, that is interesting I. You wonder because they're so loaded. I might crazy to think you mentioned bellinger Max, Muncie maybe the fourth best on his team behind mookie betts even just turner. He's a hundred to one to win the MVP given. The usually the winning team, the best team Kinda gets their best hitter. I mean how given how streaky this guy. He twenty one homers in a six or twenty homers and sixty one game stretch I believe last year. Is that a crazy bed at one hundred one? No, and especially I think with the advent of the D. H. in the National League because the way, the dodgers used a players as you know. They'll move them around. They'll give him regular days off. If there's a nasty left, you start, say would sit him down. But now when it comes to guy like guys'll Justin Turner and Chris Taylor Max Muncie if Max. Muncie has sort of a nagging little injury. They could put him a d. h., and he could still do some damage, so I actually think that would be a good one. I'll tell you another guy that I'm hearing a lot about in the dodger campus cory seager. Last year he was just coming back from surgery. He didn't look right. His legs weren't and underneath them. He looks phenomenal and actually at one person. Dodgers in the dodgers orbit. Who told me he? He's picking Cory Seager to win the National League MVP really because I. Actually I actually met him last year because people were sleeping on him, and he had that sort of five tool kind of game and great grey glove, and everything is just a you know obviously I. Kinda underestimated comeback in that surgery so a year later, the Guy Within the organization picking him. Wow that I love the idea that because I mean. He was another CAL ripken. Everyone felt. Oh Yeah, a hundred percent, and then you know I. I wouldn't be surprised to his one of his issues, besides the hell has been this hyper aggressive approach at the plate heavier buys the cubs, says the same thing where purser, second pitch, they're probably swinging and and I think that he's going to Corey's a smart kid and his time goes on. He's GONNA learn to be more patient and let's face it with those guys around. There's not gonNA be any pressure on him, you know. There's absolutely I mean when you got mookie. Betts, in cody bellinger and Max Muncie. He's not going to be grinding at himself the way that he typically does. The make that comparison obviously for those who don't know, he's about six four ish at the shortstop position in obviously can do a little bit of everything from that whole tiger bouncing around here tie going back to the twitter questions the Tigers. One and a half can even get to there. I don't think so because the white sox are so much improved. If you watch the exhibition game between the cubs and the white SOx on Sunday night. Oh my God, the white sexy! They have specimens. Borrow Chipper Jones is word up and down their line that they're going to be better. The twins are incredibly underrated. People don't remember that last year One hundred one games I think. The Indians are going to be really good. You know. Francisco Lynn Door is fully healthy, and he could take off which means and even the royals I think are going to be a little bit better so I think the Tigers like last year. Tigers are going to get beaten up a lot. So that was my next. Next question was the twins to keep it in the division because I like the over thirty five. They broke the home run record last year. Obviously shattered it, and they added Donaldson the only team with six guys, six guys who had at least thirty home runs last year, and I like the the pitching. They added getting my Ada from the dodgers where I. I think it was underutilized in even just sort of innings, eaters in Homer Bailey Enrich Hill so here you have the team in their over under thirty five is in the class of that division as good as the white sox in Indian seemed to be I think the twins bar, and also based on last year's win percentage which you can't always put done. Done stock in based on last year's win percentage they have the easiest scheduled till in two thousand and twenty and that lineup on a day to day basis for opponents to pitch through it all my gods 'cause Donaldson. The Nature Donaldson's if Batson Nelson. Cruises at bats are just different where it is a battle for six seven eight pitches their fallon off pitches. In now they have Miguel. Snows sorted out where he's. GonNa wind up playing first base I. It's a deep lineup and I think that you they're in a position to take advantage of the weakness of the bottom of that the division I don't think the White Sox, and catch the twins, or be as good as the twins I think dating could, because the quality of starting pitching, and they absent made some changes among their position players and. I agree with you, I. Think the twins of the class that division, yeah, and look playoffs are different story, but you get those kind of five arms even in a sixty game schedule. It's hard to compete with that. I WANNA the Al West because the Astros were such a big story. They won't have fans obviously in the stands to boo them, but you lose Garrett, Cole Burland or I want to say thirty seven, if not thirty six up and around there, so at some point, he's going to be human at some point. And then obviously, we just don't know what kind of role the signs stealing way. The as are historically slow starters, but this is starting later in the year when I starting in April like we normally do I like the Rangers at Sixteen to one, but just what are you hearing? What are you expecting from the Astros this year in? You know it's funny. During Spring Training I was sort of trying to talk my way into the to the Rangers as it seen, maybe would surprise us, and I asked that of some miracle West evaluators like no. No, no, they're not close. The offense, then because the pitching there with one hundred percents Kluber, but they're all their lineups, not good. I can't even lie to myself. No I in fact, one of the evaluators pointed out we had just done a group of top ten rankings for each position. How many Rangers are on your list and like like nobody and he goes exactly. So yeah, not the not the Rangers I agree with you about Oakland. Here's the other thing, too. And this is the serendipity. The bad luck you know that's coming to play in the summer camp the Astros I think without a doubt have had their normalcy interrupted more than any other team. You know there were a couple of issues early on with the you know the testing and getting results back, and they had to cancel a workout I remember on Saturday, and then the following Saturday. They had to cancel another workout and then there were some staffers who had to be held away. Alex Bregman couldn't work out George Springer couldn't work out you know. Know when I do wonder about a player like springer's being maybe like a classic example of where we are in two thousand twenty, because the Astros manipulated as service time, okay, he did not become a free agent. Last fall he he would have made like one hundred and eighty, two hundred million well. That's gone with one day of service time. He'll be eligible for free agency this fall. The numbers are going to come down dramatically in. If I were one of his teammates, I'd be like. Hey, dude, yet outta here it once you get your service time. Just go. Just go home. Because the risk reward equation for a player like springer, and there are other potential free agents in that same boat is not good like if you get hurt if you George Springer in the sixty game season, or let's say at a small sample size. It's not great. Then it would probably hurt you in free agency and so i. just wonder about factors like that. You know guys who hit benchmarks arbitration for Free Agency. Who will take off. And all of that combined with the whole science, stealing thing, and and not that I think that the players you know are no longer benefiting from it. Were they once? Did I just wonder if for some of the baseball hasn't been as much fun I covered? Roberto Almar after the spitting incident in one thousand, nine, hundred ninety six, Doug. He was never the same debate in just in terms. Terms of watching him. He just didn't have as much fun. and I wonder if they're going to be some astros. You kind of that way where it's, it's more jobs than you know showing up and having a blast in trying to make something happen, but the situation that you laid out of the dynamic. You laid out no Garrett. Cole Justin Burland coming off spring training surgery help. He's okay dates thirty-seven. Those are the biggest question marks. You know it's great perspective in talking about sort of the concept of working a four letter word when you take fun away. We all have kinda coworkers that way hopefully no-one listening is. In that boat, but it's like. Let's say you get passed over for promotion, and they're just like the kind of his dragon, and it kind of affects their overall productivity and. A great perspective with Roberto Alamar. In that situation, these players are human, and they're not playing the video game as much as we subscribe to analytics baseball, there is a human element to this, and that's a large component of this and you wonder. How much of it will take, it's toll again. No fans booing them, which obviously would take its toll, but we do have other elements to this, but you're right. It's GonNa. Be Fascinating, and maybe the angels finally get it together. I doubt it because they never do but. It is going to be interesting. How that all plays out? Just because it was such a saga in the offseason, putting a bow on things that draft kings, cory seager forty, two one. He's actually less than Muncie at drafting. It's fifty to one, but. In terms of the I mentioned the dodgers. It seems like them and anybody else. Who Do you think will pose the biggest threat to l.? A. Even come playoff time from any of those divisions, the nationals for sure normally, and no team is repeated as world series champion since the course, the those ninety eight to two thousand Yankees, and we always have heard about world series, hangover and pitchers who logged a lot innings the year before they're tired. Will you know what that's not going to be the case of Suren Stephen Strasburg? Patrick I do think that the nationals have some concerns about corner infield offense. They lose Anthony of Free Agency Ryan. Zimmerman is opted out so that'll be a question, but those starting pitchers at the front end make them dangerous and I. Think People Around Baseball are really curious about the reds. Who APPS and I always love a situation where small market mid market team loads up in the way they did in the last year they traded for Trevor Bauer they go out in the sign Nicholas. Cassiano go out and they signed Mike was stock. It's it's a good lineup. It's a good rotation. They have nice pieces in the bullpen. In what is not a particularly strong division, and in a short series against the dodgers. They have the starting pitching this shock them, and lastly I'd say the mets are interesting to me. Obviously having to Graham having Pete Alonso the got some depth. It hurts that syndergaard will not be with him this year, but they had such a great vibe at the end of last year, and I spent some time with the people, and so in spring training. He's just a natural phenomenal leader who on a daily basis I will help you know help to energize that team, but those are the teams in a mostly closely watching catch the the dodgers. The I like the nets call obviously Lucie wren donors huge, but you know they still have a turner and they still have. Soto those arms are such a force like you mentioned pressing Johnson. That's coming up later on the PODCAST. He's a big fan of. Of the reds in the modeling, the mask guys really loved the reds. We'll talk more about them. I feel like his every year. We kick ourselves because it's the cardinals. They always seem to find a way I like the young a ton. He's sixty six to one to win the MVP. I just as much as I am a dodger fan of kind of a at least annoyed by the cardinals. Would you gotta give them their credit? Where credit's due they do, find ways to at least make things interesting and make a run I. Think they're getting slept on a little bit of my crazy. No I think you're right and Jack clarity. Let's face it. He's evolving into one of the three or four best starting pitchers in baseball. You start with that. It's excellent. bullpens should be good. The questions going to be about run-scoring them, and here's something to remember as an x factor, there are and I know the Players Association won't agree, but there are definitely because you don't have fans Dan. Some teams are hemorrhaging money right now, and then there are a small handful of franchises that have more stability and this year's trade deadline. On August thirty first is going to be really weird. 'cause teams are struggling right now to define okay. What value? And I think that they're gonNA. Be Some teams that might need help on the field that will pass because of that financial struggle. They're going to be some other teams in a better position. We've been talking about the Blue Jays. That is a really wealthy franchise You know we've been talking about You know the mets potentially being dangerous team by then we may not. We may know who the next owners going to be. That person may want to announce his presence with authority and. And all of a sudden, the mets are adding a bunch of guys. Bullpen help as we close the deadline. The cardinals are in that boat where that team they know that the in a win baseball resumes with fans in the stands that their stance would be filled with folks in red shirts It's a it's an absolutely sturdy franchise, and maybe they're one of the handful of three or three to five teams that actually go out and aggressively add before the August thirty first deadline. No it's such a good point about ownership. These guys takeover, and they get a holes burning their pocket that they feel like they gotta spend in in all sports, right? It's just this is what they WANNA do your. Worse team in the bigs, my vote is the giants after losing bumgarner and I just think they're gonNA play young guys after a little bit there over under twenty four and a half that feels high or not that I could be worse than all the baseball. Yeah I would agree with you. I probably would go under you know they do have some veterans and another thing, too. I think it's important to remember is the like Johnny Cueto who was on their staff? I think the ball and opening day for them. He's got something to prove. Doe that as he goes into free agency Jephson. March has got something to prove. Some of those guys are beginning to be in position to their careers where they're playing for their next contract. And to is that they've got a lot of internal options and I mentioned. You know the trade deadline situation. There are I. think that we have to look at. This is kind of like. If you were a real estate developer and you bought into thousand seven than you were in a terrible position when he had the collapse in two thousand eight, the giants are in the next two years going to shed so much money off that off that payroll. We expiring contracts, guys like Brandon Crawford and Brandon Bell. Buster Posey's nearing the end of his run Johnny Cueto. Samara and I do wonder if as we get closer to August thirty first. If you might see behind, Zaidi their general manager do some value buys and look to pluck. Because there are going to be teams looking at dump some money. And dump some answers. I do wonder if the giants might surprise people by being one of the buyers before August. Thirty first is a setup for two thousand twenty one. Interesting proceed with caution likely on that. What about the diamondbacks? What do you make of thirty one and a half window? I definitely liked the over. You know when we talk in spring training. I told you that I'm more bullish on them than a lot of people are their general manager or head of baseball ops Mike. Hayes in absolutely loves the defense, and when you look at the additions they've made. A. Adding starling. Marseille, in center field. Signing nickhamed to to a long term deal at shortstop some of the other things. I think going to be good. I think Madison. Bumgarner off. Going to a new team is hearing voices. He needs to hear at this stage in his career using analytics probably to pitch to both sides of the plate. And they always seem to overperform You know they they seem to. The last few years even at gone rebuilding win more games than what people expect. You know I skipped over the as let's go back to the Al West from west of the Ao Aston. Them being slow starters, but a lot of times. That's because maybe the cold weather, so the season starting when the age usually get hot so sixty game season they could obviously make a run because we touched on the astros struggles, and here they they have one of those guys who can get hot also play, great defense? With the guys at the corners, Siemian forty, two one win MVP Olson. Fifty to WanNa me what sort of stands out to you with this Oakland Ball Club because they have the. What is it the laser center. Yeah exactly Ramon Laureano. New made the greatest road. We've ever seen last year when he doubled off a runner or two years ago when he doubled off runner from left Centerfield. With throwing the fly to first base I it's interesting because I. I talked before about the Astros. Had they've had their routine jumbled through the summer camp? The same thing happened with Oakland to the point that Matt Chapman is one of the leaders. Basically said he didn't feel like that. They were doing a very good job of that now. That said mark in his last year before it becomes a free agent. He's a great team leader. They do have some excellent players I feel like. Like I mean market semi last year for his third the American League in the MVP, voting, if forty two one that seems like a interesting number to me. That would be one I would go for, and they are stacked with young pitchers, Lazardo and caulk and Those guys Shamanee has all the way back now, it would not surprise me if they get out of the gate past and they grabbed that division by throat. It's an incredibly talented team. It is amazing though. When we talk about how good they might be. They still haven't won a playoff series. Billy Bean's ten years is a general manager that club which is amazing. Crazy go even going back to the YHOMBI now they're up two games than non on the Yankees just I still can't those that staff back? Then you're right. It's amazing but that's just kind of the moneyball concept, right, small sample size versus one hundred sixty two game season. You mentioned a Chapman High School Buddy Right Nado. What's the future there for him? I mean it might be tougher to win MVP without winning the division, but obviously got the tools and the glove, but what's his future with Paul Right Oh. Yeah I gotTA. Tell you I mean. The rockies are in a tough spot with his situation because you know his contract, even before the pandemic was outsized, relative to where the market was. And you know he wanted to get moved during the wintertime and I was hearing from teams. You know he he's unhappy with. During the wintertime I think there was some feeling he was unhappy with the Rockies, and whether or not they could win, but people with other teams are saying. What are you kidding like Chris? Bryant's a free agent in two years, Josh Donaldson which is the free agent you're not GonNa get much trade value for Nolan are now and that was before the pandemic I mean his contract. I I'm just pulling numbers out of the air if it was. Above market prices by five or ten percent. It's got to be thirty to forty percent now. I, do wonder I. I thought I mentioned before about the value buyers. And I'll just this. I want to make clear. This is one hundred percents speculation on my part in a let's say that You know the the Alex Rodriguez is the next owner of the New York mets. He loves NOLAN ARE NOT I know that they worked with Alex on Sunday. Baseball you know and when we had a game in Colorado. They spend time together. They really hit it off. Let's say that Alex Rodriguez Steve. Cohn goes in and takes over the mets and wants to announce his presence with authority and a big name that would be the guy, but what I suspect is is that one of these teams say? Yes, we'll take are not off your hands, but we're not giving you an a plus prospect, and you're gonNA. Eat One hundred million dollars, and if you think that's crazy, number I. Think about Alex Rodriguez Path, he signed with the Texas Rangers ten years two, hundred, fifty, two, million. All he does win. MVP's the best player in the league and when the Rangers dumped. Contract of the Yankees. They ate about forty percent of it. And I? Know right exactly and I think that's the that type of deal that you're going to see. The rockies eventually forced to make because of their financial concerns. That deal was crazy, always chuckled at like the what was it like? A twenty thousand dollar bonus for making the All Star Team I'm like you're getting twenty five million. You better make that all starting so. The performance clauses were always fun all right, so let's wrap things up Just taking away all the money lines and futures, and all that this who you picking the face off in the world series in who to win it. I'm a complete coward. I as I, said I was trying to talk mice. Yeah one hundred percent. You know I. I wrote a piece. That's coming on ESPN. Dot Com to me picking against the Yankees like picking against Arlen, globetrotters I mean it I they are so deep, and with Jordan Montgomery filling that hole that you and I talked about in the rotation. Behind Garrett Cole. Who looks ridiculously good right? Now I don't know how anybody in the American League beats them. The dodgers have similar depth I know it's a shortened season and a sixty game a world series win after sixty game season. It isn't GonNa feel as good as one hundred sixty two, but I think the players are motivated and they were really mad after the Astros, information came out. And I think they have a great clubhouse in. You know guys pulling the rope in Saint Direction. So those guys playing each other and again? I'm not a complete coward. I'm going to pick the Yankees to win the world series which I hate to do I always try to go off the board, but I I don't know how you pick against them. They're really good while we've seen. A few years and happens in all sports sometimes. Yes, you get the nats and make a run like last year, but we also see jock from time to time. They're the only. Betting teams that are in the single digits right everyone else like double digits, so they're clearly the two frontrunners in their respective leagues, so I obviously wouldn't be shocked if at least one of them got there, but even if both of them get their, so I'm. I'm with you on that front, but I do think the Yankees might might if injury stark amount? You never know, but you're right. They're just so that bullpen as well. I mean that's just. Heavy record. I mean think about this okay. Last year they led the American. They led the major leagues in runs, scored and Aaron Judge and Giancarlo Stanton missed over two hundred games combine, and they only had Miguel and do horror for like ten games. All of those guys are back and they're all fully healthy. They look phenomena. It's just. Added on top of that staggering offense, I mean really it's GonNa be hard for Brian cashman their general manager Aaron Boone to sit down with guys like Clint Frazier and say yeah. You Look Great. You actually probably be a star on another team and you know what you're sitting down. You're not on the roster. That's going to be really hard. That's how stack they are. Now? It's it's. It's just it's just miserable for opposing pitchers for sure, and we saw especially with Orioles and Torres last year and everyone else, but they were they. We were joking about this double up during the Martingale every on their. Team total every day eventually you'll get the win buster. Luck, man I know you're slammed especially this week. We really appreciate the time such valuable insight, and it's fun to be talking about actual games just around the corner. Enjoy enjoy your sideline reporting in a new era. Absolutely, thank you. I appreciate it. Doug all right? Thanks to buster, only always a special guest here in tons of insight, and we are lucky to get that perspective that we can glean the wisdom and sort of apply it with our own betting markets in speaking of which grab your peanuts and popcorn baseball is back. That's right. The boys will be getting back out on the diamond this week. Week and while we may not be able to join them at the park. 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Of Dollars with your first deposit. Only at draftkings minimum five dollars deposit required eligibility restrictions apply see draftkings dot com for details. And it's not quite following. Elvis it Vegas, but you do have to follow bus. Only who was spectacular is always pressing Johnson back on the program. How are you my man? I'm doing well. Man Pressures on. It really is buster a wealth of information inside Info I think. My favorite one was I. Guess a Guy Within the dodgers organization said You cory seager is a good chance to win the MVP. Oh Wow. I like that I. Mean if he's up there. So you know a few other guys on that, you might be up to adult and bet so good news for dodger fans. Yeah, no, so I. Just see him back in healthy would be wonderful as you know. There were some people reached out on to responded to a twitter. Inquiry by myself feeling kind of questions, we'll get to those in a moment. I WANNA, start with just overall you know being the math model, or you are baseball such a analytically driven sport. How is sixty games influencing your models versus one hundred sixty two? So It's I mean I think the simplest way to kind of compare it for people that aren't familiar with it. Is You know if you had in? Say The NBA? You know like the Los Angeles Lakers up against. The worst team in the NBA The warriors are kind of confusing because they've been really good with awful this year right? If they played a one minute long game, anything can happen. People yeah, for sure any team could beat the Lakers over the course of one minute right. They could beat him for a quarter. Now it's less likely they beat the Lakers over the course of an entire game know it's even more or less likely that a team over the course of eighty two games in a seven game series in the playoffs. Playoffs will be the best team in the NBA or the bucks, the clippers whoever it may be, that's that you wanna put on that pedestal mobis kind of similar in this sense for over the course of one hundred and sixty two games. A sample is just so big that that you know that many games. The best teams are just going to be better than the teams that aren't as good because of the extra time they're playing. They're just getting more games right so when the those are limited from one sixty, two sixty. Why well what if one of those good teams, bad stretches like ten games or one guy gets hurt or even test positive? And now they're out for two three weeks or the. That's such a big portion of these games, so every game has just that much more valuable, and what we know is that in a one game sample? Ultimately anything can happen, so the model has a whole has really wide distribution of kind of results based on like who can win the world series right like the Yankees the dodgers they they should still be the favorites, but longer shots are going to be in the mix at least around the playoff final. Final least maybe to win. Divisions wouldn't be crazy if the dodgers I didn't win the NFL West right just two years ago, didn't they? Start Twenty four to thirty six or something in that range? And then they went on fire after that I mean that's a great example of just how teams for a short amount of time before smaller sample won't performed expectation, but over the course of more games or a bigger sample they would go just means more of the randomness and variants, and anything can happen this year. Which county do embrace him? When there's opportunities to take advantage of it there are a few things i. didn't Gaurd betting? So, yeah I. It's funny. You mentioned the dodgers season from a couple years ago. I think the same year they had like one twenty, eight thirty, and then not too long after that they lost like twelve straight so right, the same team was just as ridiculously hot and ridiculously cold, and I think people and we've had some you know. They're not exactly mathematicians, but some reporters out there in our industry have. Have looked liked first sixty games of teams over the last handful years, right? We know the. NAT started really slow last year, and some of the teams that was started out hot like the Rangers did pretty well last year, but you can't. It's not as simple as that. Because when managers only sixty game schedule, they're going to manage differently. The weather obviously being different when you start the season April versus. Near the end of July, I guess I guess what variables can we use? There is a distract projections on sixty eight. There's nothing we can really deduce from previous seasons as there. I, yeah, there's nothing historically we can look back and be like okay. How did managers managed particularly when the Games meant more because we ultimately don't know at the start of other seasons like? Are they really not trying? No, they're trying to win. Gain still your point still valid in that you know what starting rotation guys elite starting pitching especially down the stretch of the sixty game season. If they're making a playoff Bush, they're probably. PROBABLY NOT GONNA wait every five games. They might be going every four games so what we'd see in a playoff series or the bullpen usage right over the course of a hundred and sixty two games plus the playoffs. You need a limit. Your elite bullpen arms to x amount of innings over the course of the season. Well now in a sixty game You know sample here, you can probably use those bullpen arms more. More frequently. You still need to give them some rest intermittently, but overall I expect to see more elite, open usage, versus what we would typically see but then you're mentioning the weather. That's another good one right. In summer months we generally see more scoring more home runs, and so you had the National League on top of that. That's a great question. We can't really go back and say hey. Runs are going to go down. Down because pitching might be better, because also look, you gotta compare it to the summer months where runs are typically higher, and now we're adding the H.. Two half of the teams lot of there are a lot of variables on top of the fact that there's just you know. We don't know what's going to happen with Koga. Related stuff, and who may or may not test positive, and we'll come in like swarms or Hey four or five guys on this team are all out, or we'll just be kind of like one at a time very infrequently a lot to adjust as we go so it doesn't make me a little more cautious to to bet a ton of futures before the season you know versus just waiting and see how things kind of unfolded. The season starts. So! You touched on a couple of things. He also reminded me of one thing. I forgot to ask buster a total idiot I'm GonNa ask you that. Though that question momentarily, but I in terms of the Cova stuff like I know. We've talked a I'm a big believer on not gonna Bet Chalk like in the NBA playoffs is a homeported vantage. Jaanus can get just as randomly like the last the bucks and that's the same case here like I think. Chuck dangerous just because we just don't know and especially without a bubble. You just don't know who's going to be I. DON'T WANNA. Use the word the word reckless, but who's GONNA be unlucky for lack of a better word, and how it plays out so I. Think longshots have kind of more value in my. My Eyes just because of the unknowns and You know. He mentioned Josh. Hater baby as a CY young candidate because of the reliever, not that something you touching on in person a couple of weeks ago, just saying that because of the usage of bullpens and maybe the winds don't rack. Starters given that they're only gonNA, have a handful of opportunity, so are you a thirty futures that you like along those lines? There are so there are two that I had hit on and and I think hater would probably then my third choice second in the national? League but. You you hit on a perfectly just because you know I. Don't vote for Cy Young I wish I had a vote I. don't but most people are gonNA look. Oh Wow twenty plus Windsor two hundred and something strikeouts, and they're looking at these days. They're looking at a little more of the underlying metrics, but not not a ton right like the ground did win it a few years ago, despite not winning too many games, but he was just so Alita. DRA was up to when they look at this season though they're gonNA see. See Picture they got eight wins and had one hundred as maybe, and they're just gonNA see there's probably there's a chance at least that one of these closers has like twenty five plus saves on a team that wins thirty three plus Games and makes the play offs right in. Is that happened? You're like wow, this one closer guy now. This isn't rational way to think about it. Like why he was the reason, they won twenty five games. I guess you shouldn't say that it's just. He was only three outs or maybe even less sometimes. But that's something that could happen. And so I've looked at two particularly Liam Hendriks for the as in the American League and then Kirby aids for the padres in the national. League were both two hundred and fifty to one at one, hundred, fifty, one to win their cy youngs. I bet it to different places, so I kinda have a cost average of two hundred to one but they both make sense because their teams for one. Don't project to blow a ton of their opponents. Outright they both play in Pitcher, friendly parks to begin with. They're going to be in a lot of situations or close games where they're going to win by one or two or three like Chapman. Yeah great he'd be. The Yankees are GonNa win more games than the as what are the Padres, the padres youth kind of explodes to start this season other a younger team that people do like because of the short and season. But guess what you know. The Yankees are GonNa win by four plus runs a good portion of the wins that they have anyway so I'm trying to look at those two guys versus the pricing. The brewers are another good option with hater obviously, and he's other guy where he just throws so hard, and they're trying to space them out over the course of one hundred and sixty two games plus the playoffs. Now it's only sixty games like hater could be gone eight, nine, eighth and ninth inning a few times right? Just get your only one. You need your best arm for six hours. Hater out there like there's a good chance. Users increases per game. Right are expected. And if that's the case I, think could definitely in the mix. No it's a great concept and you'll even though we got warmed up to Graham like you said there still guys like Michael Wilbon who are outraged right so we're not quite there yet. Win still matter in this. Our muscle memory is going to be interesting on some of those stats, so the question I might ask foster annual and I'm just going to ask you, so the floor is yours How much is the new extra inning rule impacting your modeling with the meat? Homefield advantage the one sport. We're actually the game strategy in the game album is literally an advantage right being the home team. So. Feel like it's going to be like the NFL YOU WANNA. Go Second Kinda concept winning the coin. Toss overtime like knowing what you need in the bottom half of the endings you really. For the home team, how much does it impact sort of the money lines? You're projecting the percentage. There's. It's a good question so generally. Just let's pretend this new role didn't exist. You were betting on a team that was a favorite minus two hundred favor right where they're expected to win the game about sixty seven percent of the time. If it goes into extra innings, and it goes into a tenth inning. That's generally thrown out the they are no longer expected to win that game sixty seven percent of the time, right? It's no longer minus two hundred if you're looking at in game or live lines because they might be like Nardi pitching. Starting pitching gone and essentially what gets extra innings? It's close more or less depending on which bullpen arms are available, and where the home team is and this and that obviously it's not exact, but it's closer to a coin flip. You might see the home team that was minus two hundred minus one thirty, going into the tenth inning. So it really it's minimal. anyways, just because once you get into extra innings, you kind of all goes out the window to begin with and then you're each teams getting the guy on second base. If I recall right, so they're still. It's still justice. Still Fair in that regard were each team. Has that same opportunity so I I'm not expecting it to make much of a difference especially, since the chances of the going to extra innings to begin with before you even start, the game are so slim, so you think about it that way like the very small percentage of the time. It doesn't even go extra innings. Those times it's already close to a coin flip anyway, and so in the end it's not gonNA. Really be changing. Oh, I gotta stay off this now. In case it goes extra innings because they're going to get a runner on second base, first or second right? It's not going to be a factor for me. So it's funny, you mentioned that I did some research. What percentage would you guess over the last four years and it was just a guess. Over the last four years, and how many games went into extra innings? I would say it is between. Doing three percent two point seven percent eight point four percent. Eight point four. Excuse me. Eight point one four point one point same thing I'd ride really i. One one at a twelve games goes extra innings. Yeah, so two thousand sixteen on its seven point, six percent seven and a half percent eight point nine in two, thousand, eighteen and last year eight point six. Okay? Maybe it is a bigger factor than a game night. Right like one game a night essentially right little more game in game tonight. So I, but but it's it's you know. Let's look obviously the top of the tenth. You're probably not going to overwrite unless it's like the bottom line, the terrible the manager just doesn't so say they swing away and they don't score bottom ten. You're probably bunting, right? So historically there, there's a lot of study and research has been done on. When is it correct bunk because it's almost never corrected by nowadays, but in the situation where one run wins you the game and it's game over, and you have a guy on second base zero out you. That's the one time it's plus right or your value or your your probability of winning. The game is better buddy guy over. Over to third base with one out, because now you have the sack, flopportunity or just even a grounder that guy can break for home and can score before the ball gets to home plate. I will say this though and I make this years. I've tweeted about it, but the art of the sack lie is dead like people do not know how to hit sacrifice anymore I. Don't know why did it is? A. People get a third. Maybe it's because they're too so US trying to hit home runs that there's. Already. It's. It's weird. I feel like I. Haven't looked it up. I just feel like I've been watching sweating games like the guys cannot figure out how to get the guy from third home, so I would be interested rather than looking historically if it's positive to bunny guy over from second third with one out right, and there's some uniqueness to now. Everyone's using this shift this and that so things have kinda changed in recent years that I'd want to get a little more. More before I said anything, one way or the other, but the general philosophy would be yes, but the guy over get him home via sack, something else and if that's the case right, and you got to the top of the tenth clean, but in in that regard in game betting the value on that homepage, just in the bottom of the tenth will be interesting to price just because they're so likely to get a guy scoring from second base, just blind. And who knows what he's asking, even bunt anymore. We certainly seen certain members And It's and then and then pitching in that situation guy third one out like the pitcher knows he can walk the guy actually walking usually more advantageous to set up the double play so sometimes you're just nibbling. And maybe that's why the guy can't hit a sacked fly by because he's never getting decent hit. I will sit find an interesting if they do score one run. Run exactly the top of the half inning I wonder if the managers WanNa sacrifice, the begin the bottom path of these innings, and so much depends on where you are in the lineup and what you have left on the bench. Maybe pitchers pinch hit for certain guys just to just a by Dr Price Right now. The best ones is probably the most practice so. Fascinating but it is interesting because of the main on second. I wanted to get your opinion One thing I also mentioned is one of our listeners do. About the reds and I teased it with buster. Saying you're big on the reds, Ese birt's things where they went out. There's some buzz there with Cincinnati going out actually spending some money and the question we had basically about. Of the three high team, the White Sox as and reds, which is overrated, underrated, properly rated. What are what are your models say? The OUTTA! That was a great example because. Is a clear cut answer for me I. Think the reds are still undervalued in the market, so we'll start with them. I love just their upside as a whole, even before the season, but even better now because there's a short and season, and I'll get to why in a minute the first and foremost. They were seventy five win team last year. When you look at like base runs third or winning, percentage of these are metrics kind of look at the underlying statistics in project what they would have one or how many it would have won on average right. They were more like an eighty four eighty. Eighty six team just based on their play last year long so that seventy five wins it happened, but you can kinda. Throw it out the window when you're looking at how they played over the course of those one hundred and sixty two, they went out of their way to double down and higher Kyle bodies, the founder of Dr Line Baseball you can look that up at their heavy ends pitching Alex and any team that's diving, trusting the process of analytics or have faith in analytics to the decision. They're doing I'm going to back that team and then when you're looking at it now getting to. To the short and sixty games season, as there was one team, that I think will be making analytically sound an optimal decision making when it comes to pitching staff rotations all pen arm usage, it could be the reds, and then you look at the National League and I. Don't Talk to you about this before, but it's. It's like the dodgers and everybody else. In my opinion, you go to the American League. You have Yankees Raise Astros athletics. Those five teams are arguably all better than the next best team. In the National League this National League outside of the dodgers is super wide open, so if I'm GONNA take. Take a few shots on winning a pennant. Why not be on the reds I've seen his highest fifteen to one still in the market on just to win the National League pennant, and when it's just the dodgers versus we saw the nats. The dodgers industries last year. Anything can happen, and then you talk about their hitting right, not only are they taking the analytical approach with some good arms? Trevor Barrels Castio Sunny graded. They have, but they're hitting. They added and spent money Mike. Dowse, custody, honest and then they have our students Aquino who had forty seven home runs last year between AAA and the majors. And generally these guys that maybe you would. Kind of initially think Oh. Okay. Those are good additions when it first meets the eye, but the actual disparity in these upgrades is pretty measurable because last year. Guys like Nixon Zell. He had a ninety waited. Runs, created plus Jose, Iglesias was eighty. Four Jose Padilla was sixty two. These guys had heavy heavy heavy minutes. Minutes would be the NBA. We'll see played appearances that are now going to be thrown out for my spouse casinos. Aquino these guys that are above average hitters, so I think the. Dramatic this dramatic upgrade and the hitting. You combine everything pitching the analytics hitting shortened season. I think their ads are as good as anybody your this season to make a run or take a shot when it comes to the National League pennant as long as I bet they're over thirty, one and a half wins for the season win, total. The team that I think's properly rated athletics. Everything lines up pretty well I'm people still forget like they've won ninety seven games I. Believe it is the last few seasons. They can't find away in the playoffs and. This is a team that's just crushing. Always ensure. They start slow and I know people have talked about the six game season Obviously if they start slow, it'll be tougher for them to make Iran I had someone I know that went back and actually look to see if there was anything sticking out when you ransom like regression models on the early starts. Starts for the as a reason weather related. It just came down to be basically being fluky nest where they've started slow a few times, so people kind of look at it and think it might be a thing. It's probably not. It's not gonNA be predictive of the future and the team. That I think is still a year or two away that everybody loves. and. That's the White Sox and Everyone loves them. Yes, they do I I I and I understand why they made some really good free agent editions. They have some young guys. They have great hitters plus pitching the thing that sticks out the most to me and I think a lot of people. Will look at the division because Oh, well they get to play the royals and they're tigers, which is true? That's why I'm more bullish on the twins switch to You know that's a good portion of the Games are going to get a lot of wins there and the. Sure then from the pirates or another bottom? Feeder team out of the central and the NFL isolated. Indians are kind of overlooked right. They were ninety three masters, actually the most wind since they added a second wildcard playoff team that any team had without making the playoffs so the Indians. They didn't even make the playoffs last year. They won ninety three games. They just didn't get in, but they were still really strong. And then obviously the twins are even better and they already. I think one hundred one, west, so. So for me the thing that's like the most, so you're looking at kind of the of metrics right like they won seventy two games. Some of the base runs the third order winning percentage more like sixty six to sixty seven. When team now they'd have to increase their winning percentage. It's hard to say I before I would have said they needed to win fourteen or more games to go over there season, winslow now need to win eight percent of their in. Short and season, but just to get to thirty two inside under thirty one and a half i. don't see I don't see them being an above average, seem them slightly below average? There's a couple of games of value in a sixty games. Season is extreme and The thing is I got the most sorry I went tangent on there, but if they're hitting and they lead the entire major leagues. In Bad, if it's your batting average on balls in play so once you hit a ball in play historically season to season. Your average is going to be roughly three hundred. Once you put a ball in play. They hit I. Think it was like three forty three, and they had three of the top six hitters in baseball. In last year on Moncada, he hit four, zero, six, Tim Anderson Three, ninety. Nine and Larry Garcia hits three fifty three. These guys were just running pure every time they put a ball off the bat. It was finding hose. They were dropping in the outfield German kind I can hit home runs like. Like is a hit. More home runs are expected to once you put a ball in play it's you're gonna hit better because it's going over the fence, but Anderson right like I said. These aren't guys that are crusher so There's GonNa be some aggression there and these are some key pieces to their lineup that I'm not sure they'll be able to just duplicate again. some of those things just point to regression anyways. They were kind of over performed their record. As was as it was last season, so I'm under on the white sox. I think the over hyped team read still slightly under hype. Athletics Pretty Fair. I was having a good day Preston. You had to make mentioned to me. Anderson lost like eight bets last year. Guy Like game when he hits or just clutch like the stick that just broke the guy pure in right where he just always dealt like take second to along single route that he just devastating for a lot of wagers involving over understood. We burn me so yeah. I am afraid of all white socks action, but What other! Rip a few more plays that you have. I don't have a ton. I'm very. I don't know apprehensive about just all this NBA. As much as we are all itching to fire and trust me I am. There's just a lot of unknowns with a lot of this so I'm GonNa. Take fliers on long shots as I alluded to earlier NBA well under the game. The game I'm just going to proceed with caution for the most part I mean I know guys like trout are still hanging in the balance a little bit. We just still don't know so much. And Buster brought up a great point he. He thinks some teams will kind of shut it down. Kinda, like so there's situations like Dhabi's cons and the wizard like he just not gonNA jeopardize free agency that may happen with springer of the Astros or other situations when there's teams that are just like a hit a wall like the like the giants all right, let's just start playing the young guy, so it's really tough to sort of forecast. It's something we've never seen before. But what are some of your other? Favorite plays you can recommend to our listeners. I'll throw a few out there that I've hit and we'll start with wine that I want to kind of push back on that you like not because I disagree, but because I think there's a better bet you could make you like. The twins over thirty five wins am I correct on that. Right I mean I prefer minus two hundred to reach the postseason, or even one guy you to win the division. Okay, 'cause, that's I think a much better bet when you're looking at us and I, was gonNA. Ask You how many times the twins win. Thirty six plus Games and lose the division is just so infrequent, but they could win thirty five or thirty four, even thirty three and win this division, and so I prefer that quite a bit I do like the twins when the central minus one twenty. Then I think in a few. kind of random longshots on like guys hit. The most home runs an MVP so Jorges Hilar- he's forty two one to hit the most home runs this season and they'll. Probably it wasn't. There wasn't a hotter bet last year down the stretch. Then Solaire he hit twenty home runs the last fifty two games two months that he played in so You're talking about a shortened version here at twenty twenty season. That's only sixty games talking about variance increasing. He's one of the league's genius hitters and you're getting forty two one. The glass refinish ninety, eight, th percentile and barrel. Barrel percentage, ninety seven percent hard hit percentage ninety six percents Alan exit velocity. The guy just mashes the ball crusher. You're giving me a chance here. In hitter friendly summer months the more months where he hit twenty homers and fifty two games. I mean he's GonNa be in the mix pretty often. I also found thousand one I know. This seems like a bad bet is a thousand to one at West Gate to win. The MVP and most spots is like a hundred to one and sixty to one, so it was kind of a rogue number. That I thought was worth just. An expert, zero accidents to be honest. The chance outlets one hundred to one everywhere. I'm pretty sure that's unless they just have to come from the winning team to one or low key sixty to one. I've seen seventy five to one eighty one, but yeah, they had a thousand and one, so you know one else. But I am I'm a big Fan, similarly leaner up dramatic, so besides trout in here like the angels, one eighty games who's been an MVP from a team? That didn't at least you have to the playoffs. We've seen that at all besides trousers. Someone just asked me this yesterday. I'M GONNA. PULL UP THE COMBO we're talking. Because he said the same thing he's like he said something about Andre Dawson or something Oh. Man Seok we had to go back to. And I said well trout dead, and he's like Oh. Yeah, our recently and but I also think that you know the sub. Five hundred team has a better chance I think than normal because of the shortened season. You know just if the numbers are better than everyone else right, so you know I. Would have won it that one year. Excuse me Sosa one at the year because they want the play, but Maguire would've wanted if there were no sosa right like the at all, his home runs ninety eight or whatever. Right the associated almost as many, and they went to the playoffs, so he had to win it, but like you could have ridiculous seasons like trout. He's considered the I. Just think so layer is gonNA look thousand one. When the markets one hundred or lower that you have to take it right so I'm not even going to discuss that, but for everyone else during one hundred to. To one I'd probably just stick with Mike. The home run title probably right definitely prefer the home runs. I think that option is if somehow the royals sneak into the playoffs. They'll be in the mix olbia reason why or it's, he hits twenty five homers, and hits three fifty or sixty games, and the next closest homerun guys like nineteen or twenty or if they're in the. They don't even to get the wild card if there isn't a mix maybe through right, if they're a five hundred team and still greatly overachieved that could be and then headed to the NFL west. There are some vets there that this is the division that I thought in still think the market kind of Just was out of Wack, I I don't remember the last time I had three season wintel beds in one division. I am very bullish on the diamondbacks so thirty one or thirty one and a half I think both are good. Bets so not only were they better than thirty one team last year I you look at the numbers kind of the underlying metrics they. Their record didn't really show how good they were. They traded for starling. Marte Zach Gallon. Who is great for a while with? With the Marlins, and then he goes to the diamondbacks. They've added Madison Bumgarner Luke. Weaver was elite for like sixty innings that he that he was healthy last season he could be back and so even if they don't really improve much offense, they're better when it comes to their pitching, and I just don't see them being any worse than season, anyway so I like the over the also you can get thirty two one for them to win the National League pennant, which again if there's A. National, League versus Al I prefer taking longer shots out of the National League and so you know the dodgers are probably GonNa win, you know fifty five to sixty games or whatever they're going to beat everyone down like the diamondbacks over that must mean. I think there are some things that lose more games than the market currently perceived, and that's the Rockies I have that under twenty seven and a half, and the giants under twenty five, and a half the rockies. What is interesting just because they haven't really made any additions outside of Matt Kemp. If you WANNA count that I know I actually. Actually wrote this piece, or Chuck, and I made a joke about Matt Cam the Rockies, and then he hit a home run yesterday and their intersquad game but I. Don't think he's like the answer at all. Even in course field last year you know they great it out to be a seventy seventy, one when team I think the topic of the offense will make up for their lack of pitching I like under there and the giants look. They were I'm not sure they. They went thirty eight one run games I. Don't know if we'll ever see that again. In my lifetime I told yesterday. Tara team in baseball, so they really could be the we're closer to your Eric spent I think there wasn't a tigers and orders I really do. That would be that'd be an interesting prophet of some so just betting which team finishes with hires, twenty one and a half. It's just you know. Their division is so talk right so tigers have to deal with those the other fourteen. We've mentioned even the royals of their little frisky but like the giants in that bad division, and then to your point, the dodgers and everyone else got the waxy. Sorry, they just play their division. The AL S, but I don't think the giants are GonNa win any games the terrible. Twenty six. That's a good percentage of sixty games, so we're winning on twenty five or fewer and I just wanted the thirty eight. One one run wins thing. It was just fascinating, so I looked back the closest two thousand sixteen. The Rangers warned thirty six. They went thirty six and eleven in one run games. They ended up winning ninety five games that season, despite just a run differential of plus eight right, so they wind nearly thirty games more than they lost despite basically scoring as many runs their parents. They were later swept by the Blue Jays in the playoffs, and then the following year they had a losing record the San Francisco, they go thirty eight and sixteen and one run games last year. Like regressions imminent the roster stinks pitching's worse I i. don't see it at all, so I really love the under there, so three seasons little west and I think all three are still good. Yeah so we I mean press presses for those listening reference like a Google Doc. We had all our plays on. So that's why he knew I was on the twins and we've had some conversations as well I think for some of that. I I in the Google. Doc I did the minus two hundred per stuff we taped. It just want to kind of keep it simple with an over under, but giant giants are bad. I'm on that. Maybe I'm just a bias. Dodger's fan but. The rockies, it's just so interesting. Even the giants home field. They always pull these games out of nowhere. It's really mind boggling, but at some point you just have to like tip of the cap whether it's the weather and the players don't like playing in the I. Don't know what it is, but. It's GonNa be interesting to see how that division plays with you. The diamondbacks so is buster eatings much better than people realize he did. Say this about the giants, he said some of those guys have something to prove quail and smarter so just keep that enduring when your spouse don that. Maybe that's a positive. Thing, but we can be a negative to, but. bogeys. In you mentioned the reds. I was GONNA touch. Understand that division. Kinda gets. Talked about how it's not that I think it's like pretty competitive, and some of those top teams are pretty solid actually. Oh yeah for sure I. Mean. You could argue that it's the most competitive as far as one through four. I mean the pirates stink, but those other four teams are all playoff contenders and I think I have I think all fourteen, so we're talking about my head. It's brewers, cardinals and reds. They all have like at least a three percent chance of winning the world series. So if you combine it, you know that's it's probably something like fifteen percent of the world series is going. GOING TO BE RUN or one out of the NFL essential and I. Don't think anyone would consider any of those teams like a favorite. Anyway they're not, but for those teams definitely could make a splash and again we're looking for longer. Shots shortened season. Anything can happen. The cardinals are another team that just find ways to always win the games to They're going to be in the next probably, so yeah, yeah, I don't think you're wrong. Other than the pirates of shirts a strong. And and I let's just face it. The Chalk is not GonNa win all the MVP both MVP awards in both CY youngs. It's just not in all the divisions aren't there's just not going to be chock across the board? So there is going to be a long shot whether it's Cy. Young MB ARE MVP so the key is just finding that needle in the haystack. You mentioned sort of the three percent from the central. Who who in your model do you have laying in the world series in winning in the most? It's the dodgers, and not even necessarily because I would think they are better than anyone else or because I'm from Los Angeles dodger's Fan, but I might even have the Yankees projected the better team, but they're path just to get to the world series similar to the Milwaukee. Bucks right now in the NBA playoffs right? They're just getting to the world series so frequently that their chances of the probabilities that they win. It all then are just going to be higher than say the Yankees who may have to win a series against the astros raise twins or two or three of those right, if somebody has to play a wildcard game. Game of some sorts so it's much tougher out of the Al. so that's why the dodgers are up there, but I, definitely think you can argue the Yankees better team, but that's just kind of you know similar like the clippers. The Lakers could probably would make the favorites against the bucks in the finals, but the bucks are GonNa win it more often just because they're so often so yeah, we'll go dodgers by their close second given that there's no home court in the NBA bubble. Do you actually think that's still the case? I actually think the the West might be just easier for the Lakers and clippers now. THAN THE BY. I think that'd be kind of. The hold on. ducks, but because the Lakers and clippers their home court, the West is now easier, and why not? Because the bucks lost their home, court and I think the bucks and given this. The the coaching edges that like Red Stevens presents. Fixer sixers are being slept on. Only Rephrase Philadelphia, you know. Twenty five I think it's ridiculous. I think the path for the bucks. Is Not as much as a foregone conclusion as I do think the Lakers or clippers will be in the finals. At A. Sauce? It's unfair, right? I'm taking I think the West is really top-heavy like I don't think nuggets Abba Chance I. Don't think the rockets chance. I think it's GonNa be Lakers or clippers I'm pretty confident of that whereas I think the East is Kinda like level plotting? It's it could be any of those top. Four teams Heathrow Theron on there as well I think it can be really could be any of those teams I will say that the bucks win percentage as far as their probability of winning. The finals decrease the most of any team in my projections, it was over fifteen percent when they lost home court through the entirety of it. Everyone gets to rest and they were resting. Guys kind of throughout the season Janas only playing thirty point nine minutes per game. So you're right as a whole, it's definitely more open, but the buxtehude favorites Wendy right? You articulated way better with that fifteen percent. That's what I was trying to say like who got hurt them I actually think it's now. Yeah I think I'm quite confident. The Clippers or Lakers on the finals I'm not as confident the bucks but again I'm taking two teams verse one but anyways. I just found it you. What you said was relating Asha about that. 'cause I'm sure our listeners are also NBA fans early Mostar. Okay, so we have sort of chalk. We think in the outcome. It'll be interesting to see out all plays out. You have a lot of plays posted. They're going to be posted this week. On ESPN DOT COM chalk section and season gets going on Thursday, I'm you know we're all thrilled? So you are as well so Enjoy the season man and we'll be talking NBA soon as well. Likewise thanks. Kicking is for losers all right. Thanks to Preston enforce. Thanks to bus only as well lot of moving parts sports starting to come back. We want to give the shelf life for this podcast for all of you to have a few days, and obviously you can still hang into the season. If you want to grab some futures, maybe not the season windows. You can play, but some of. Of the other stuff is out there in the vetting menu, so thanks to everyone for listening on a lot of content here about an hour podcast, but still really good insight from our two guests, and hopefully we can all benefit from that on our own account so we'll have another podcast. Wednesday will do some golfing UFC. Then but thanks everyone for downloading. We'll catch you on Wednesday.

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"Sure Education on as we go to your calls and your thoughts. Let's talk to Martha. She's in Michigan listening to W HTC in Holland. Good Martha. This is the first time that I did you. Guys Talk I'm I just couldn't you? I guess I've to what your band is on The Krona virus itself. I mean you guys. You guys believe it's real right yes. I don't see any reason to disbelieve. That CORONA VIRUS EXISTS. Virus does exist. I believe it and and you believe That what's happening in the country as far as like people getting sick and like we have Detroit near in Michigan and the you know the the hundreds and hundreds of people that are in the ICU. Wars like you believe that right. You believe that there are people in the hospital. Let me ask you a question if somebody had the flu viral pneumonia and corona all at the same time and died from them. Which which one do you think they'd be counted as it would depend on the TV that exacerbated everything else my daughter is She's an intensive care unit nurse at McLaren plant and throat She talked to me every day when off shifts about what happened that day She had a lot of people in there a lot of people who have co morbidity and have almost all of them the ones that are dying so let me just say all of them. Because it's like I can say the corona isn't nearly as deadly as the as we're being told but still believe in corona right from what I think is that from what she telling me. Though from what I'm understanding is that people do come in and have comber like some come in and you think any of them that have died that have died with corona have been counted as something besides corona. They weren't added to the Corona Lists. Because I would say that right now if you fell out of ten storey window and you had corona. You're probably GONNA be counted as corona death. And don't think you're doing it that way it's really close. And what does it ninety nine percent of the people that died in Italy had some like gently preexisting condition? And it's not just Italy numbers from New York City back that up. I just want to take a second in an address. Her initial question. Which is you know what does it. What is our individual position? My position is this corona virus exists. It is real people. Get sick from it. Some people die from it. However it is not at a level that justifies the government tyranny. That is resulting. I don't think there is a level that justifies the government tyranny. That is resulting. I don't care if it's ten times as bad as it is. Do you think that it's a good idea though I'm asking I'm not telling you you're right and wrong? You know. I've where I'm standing. Do you think that then? It's okay to take the chance and just say okay. Let's open back up so I think taking chances what life is all about and if country that's fine no no. I disagree with that statement because I don't think that the people who shut the country down ever had the right to do it. I think that as soon as somebody said this that Real Americans or at least Americans of seventeen seventy six would have said come and take it. They would have said come on in here. And we'll put a bullet center mass That didn't one hundred percent. Sure that's what they would have done so then okay. So what do you think about? There would be like there was a funeral out in Georgia. I don't remember this house and it was a prominent. I think a lot of people chain and with so many days afterward. Many many people look like I'm sure that's the case I mean like let's take that as the truth. Wash your hands where mask maintained six feet at a distance and don't touch crap that other people touched. I'll do what I want. I went out last night that I shook people's hands and did not have a mask. I hope to never share a hand again. Shared a pipe with some people. And you know what I'm not going change my life. No how no way. Thanks very much not not shaking hands anymore. What about when I mean I I I understand? You're you know I'm also from New Hampshire. Originally I really understand. I know all about your died when I see my daughters being a professional young woman. A nurse and stews birth singer life every single day. Yeah go in there then. My heart aches for young nurse. It's one that and she's risking her life before corona virus exactly piracy's prior to this and there are other viruses prior to this and in a hospital. She's more likely to come across all kinds of nasty mercer so I don't know if that has really increased the risk. I thank you Martha for the call. Tonight I appreciate hearing from you. The thoughts the toll free number here is eight. 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No doubt about it. So let's go back to your phone calls and thoughts. Let's talk to lumpy. He's on our discord server lumpy. You're on free talk. Live calling us from the not so Free State of Massachusetts the police state of slavery. Welcome home mark. I know you've been back for days. Welcome home thanks lumpy? I actually called disagree with you about something so it disappeared to be the first time well. There were only three times probably in history that I can ever like vaguely remember but you said earlier that the founders did not consider a global pandemic and by the way. It's just ten DEMOC. Don't be redundant no need. I I love you. Go ahead that they use those are words that they use those redundant worse now controlled fearful fear fear right. Global pandemic is scarier term regional pandemic would be an oxymoron. Right Right Right. Yeah right because you know the disease. That's another one you'll hear them spouting that word all the time. The Disease Not Disease People Anyway. They had. I'm certain ahead I didn't go to the hospital. I had every one of their symptoms late January middle January. It's was terrible. It was awful. It was it was it was nasty but I got through it. There was certainly something that was going around at that time and I've heard a lot of. Psa that they were ill at that time. It is possible that you got it. It's also possible that you were sick with an influenza or a or B or any old other thing we don't know but it does it does go to show that there are and you touched on this during the break market there are a bunch of people out there who've probably had this thing got sick got better and moved on and they never got tested. So they're not in the numbers. The eighty percent of the tests are false. Positives anyway interesting. They've they've they've been saying that all over the place we don't even we don't like the numbers that we've got numbers at all. Once you have a certain level of error. It's there's nothing to even talk about at this. Point is just like government propaganda. People got sick. I don the hospital. You know. That's all we can say you know. The conspiracy theorist always say. Follow the money and you know what a lot of times they're right. The police wouldn't be oppressing us if they weren't getting a paycheck for there's no crime going on so they're going to have things like checkpoints everywhere they're gonNA. That's where they get their money. They're willing to do things that we're not. We can't understand now. The founders to get back to my point. They did understand this. They understood that so. It's not that they didn't plan for a global pandemic to be redundant and fearful words right. It's not that they didn't plan for that. They understood that this bull would come up and it is bull. It is a bunch of bull. I don't believe it for a minute that it's killed probably anybody and and you know maybe maybe it's killed like you said earlier. Twenty seven people. Maybe but again those people are you know your. I'm called a murderer. If I say that you know I'm sure there are people though for more people. I think it was like two weeks ago. Died in Tennessee. Over a week from suicide then died from cope in nineteen so of course who are going to be driven to write their out of their jobs. The government is killing people with this lockdown. Yes and it's just getting started and and those numbers aren't GonNa be reported by anybody. We're not gonNA talk about those every single day. We're not they will say people. The prison guards murdered this this week. You know what have you? You know. Lumpy Thanks for calling tonight. Man I appreciate hearing from you there on our discord sir. Let's talk to Eric. He's in Erie. Pennsylvania listening to W J T go and Eric Hello Remember December fourteen twenty nineteen after the economy crashed like nineteen twenty nine. Then it'd be alive. Restaurant workers out of work. No I don't remember that did you. Did you call the show and make that prediction? Yeah Yeah. Tell us why it was going to happen. Or You just made a prediction prediction. It was going to happen. Twenty in twenty twenty okay so aspect to predictions is giving a timeframe if you don't give a timeframe you predictions pointing waiting. Sir. I'm just telling people about so no I mean. Did you have a vision or did like something tell you how? What clued you in just had a vision and it was going to happen. Twenty twenty. Who Do you think gave You the vision? I just had these munitions you know. Give us another. Oh that sounds. They're going to blame the CORNO virus on they're GONNA use cash. They're going to do away with cash because they're going to say we'RE GONNA get coin virus from cash to go to catch the society. Id Twenty twenty years. That forced us to have vaccinations. I don't think that's an unreasonable prediction. I don't know if I would call it a vision. But that seems to be where for a pre prediction on the fly and he gave. Thanks for the call tonight. I appreciate hey a mighty spell good job we go to Peter. He say Corona Peter. You're on freedom. It had been a little drunk. Hello I watch comment on a ran into a business owner locally who is staying open even though he's not supposed to really he has a small antique business and I spoke to him and I said you know what is your concern which was stupid question of course and he said look. Who's GONNA pay my rent? This is a young guy who has all of this money into that business. He's got kids at home. And you know trusting the government to bail you out unless your name is Exxon Mobil. You don't stand a chance. So the guy's nervous. He's really worried all the cities around us that have been shut down in the local city on end. They've really left businesses alone but he's really nervous right now. He's not sure everybody's GonNa do if they showed him down even on the people who are doing that much shopping at his place. Probably going to be my questionably. He's shut down. Because you know people are just so scared they have. They want badly to be told by their betters. Now you may leave your homes serfs. So is he getting any customers in the door absolutely surprisingly enough the city. I'm in we're in a ranching community large cavill ranching community and it's pretty much you know you mind your own business which you need to do and I'll do what I'm GonNa do We have a whole different attitude here. There's a couple of businesses are staying. Open the police aren't shutting them down and but this guy's nervous is all around us for getting shut down and I asked him if he doesn't know what he's GonNa do. He's got all his money in the business and I support him for staying open. I I Yeah you called previously. Peter I think and told us about your little this mystery town in California and understandably you know on a tout which one it is but it sounds like a real oasis not in Riverside County are you. I'm not saying anything irresponsible. The only reason I ask is because that's where that that SNITCH APP is available. Oh yeah that's bad news. Hey Peter thanks for calling in sharing The update with us. I wish that guy the best in every and to any other business owner with the courage to open their doors while being threatened not only by the police but by their snitch neighbors potential SNITCH. Neighbors I I would love to see something like a restaurant open up you know maybe a family run thing where they arm themselves and they opened up for business and they don't let cops in the door. Well I don't think man you're talking about for standoff this point. I think the better thing to do something like that is just you know. Five restaurants open up And then there's really nothing that can be done. At that point of ten restaurants. They went into a restaurant in Cincinnati and they boarded the place up. They arrested five. Eighty five the people working there and boarded the place on. That's right well. That was one restaurants and if enough people just decide. They're not going to do this. Then that's what I'm getting. I think you I agree with you. But that takes some level of coordination it takes like if you opened up a little bit and community. Funny thing isn't it? Yeah like it's a really odd thing that can shut down everything but just saying well. 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Let's go to the phones and to your calls and thoughts first up. We Got Zack. He's in Utah. Zach you're on free talk live I I say things for Beyond the air time. It's just so hard to find People that bucked the trend here and so I appreciate that the start off about so. I two things one with Michigan I believe by law. You're when you're pulled over you are required to I believe give Id and then What what you're doing where you're going. You sure right just to clarify. Are you saying that you have to? You have to talk to them under the current governors or all. Eat before this even before. So that's not correct from my understanding. No I'm not an attorney. This isn't legal advice. But it's my understanding you're under no obligation whatsoever to speak to a law enforcement officer you are as the driver obligated to hand over your identification. But that's interesting car registration and insurance and things like that should be able to stay silent throughout that thing. If you want you could probably per the Supreme Court say I'm invoking my right to remain silent or safe things back to the officer like I don't answer questions and that is as far as you can if I accidentally sneeze on my driver's license before I get it to the police officer. Is it assault? Now what was your second point I feel about the second point was I've this whole thing is really pushed me over the line about Expatriate and eventually because I know everywhere else is doing stuff to buy inbetween this plus you know the Patriot. Act Plus trying to ban encryption. And plus all the things that they're trying to push through Gingrich Habeas Corpus. I just pushed me over the line towards You'll look into Expatriation and progress. Yeah that's a really good. Yeah yeah no absolutely So I've actually Have been to Columbia I was looking at chilly. But then that kind of went downhill but either I'd say Columbia or Paraguay as both team very live and let live and they're not perfect. Interstate Whatnot That's something that I would need to work. Let me propose for a moment the Commonwealth of the Northern Mariana Islands. Now I have. I should look into early. And here's one of the reasons not Puerto Rico. That's different Well like there's a big difference between Puerto Rico and the Commonwealth of Northern Mariana Islands. Although there are some quite a few similarities. There's some big differences to And you know. Check out CRYPTO FRONTIER DOT ORG to get some questions answered but currently. There's a crypto currency project being set up in Siobhan basically the Northern Mariana Islands You know trying to to handle this stuff but I think this is a really important fact. The only two ways to get yourself out of the clutches of United States Federal. Irs is by a giving up your citizenship not repatriating but giving up your citizenship because the federal government claim you even when you're abroad or to move to a territory so while you would still be within the United States you would not be under the IRS probably the scariest organization to somebody who lives in the United States probably the US military's the scariest organization to somebody who lives outside of the United States. Thanks for the call. I know mark. There's a lot more you could say given that you spent basically the last two months in the Marianas But we're going to talk about it another time because I want to get some other. These calls rapidly fire. Yeah CHECK OUT. Crypto FRONTIER DOT ORG. Great Place to get started on that and we go to. David listening to. Whm in Jackson Michigan. Go ahead David. Yeah I was GONNA say about this Michigan stuff. I think there are governor. Has Little spies flying around in the air or something or watching people just like the previous caller callers back? We can't go to a second home now. A lot of people here. They have a cottage up north. They go up there in the summertime. Yeah they must have spotted a lot of people heading up the high winds at. Where are those people going? They're going up north to that other cabin. All right. That's a decree. Nobody can go to their second home now. Well she really wants to stay put and take her orders real seriously another thing. Apparently somebody was spotted planting a flower in their backyard flower. You're going to have. Yeah Yeah the stores shall not sell potted flowers to the people anymore. Oh and by the way you cannot buy seats either you shall not plant your garden under my control. You must be completely on us. You must rely and government to provide you with all your food. Don't you dare plant your own food and try to be self sustaining David. Thank you for the call man. I really appreciate you being patient with us. It's great exercise and get you outside and and it helps you feed your family. So let's talk to Ruckus. He's on the line on our discord server good records. Hey guys in Mark Captain Hope. Everyone's doing well. Yeah I just wanted to make a comment There was that lady who called Martha. I believe She said actually she was the first time she heard you guys on. Who's asking your stance about the numbers and the CO morbidity stuff right and I know you guys understand this. I just don't remember. He got really talked about this but is so important the fact that they they changed that that that basically adds credence to their models because the numbers weren't weren't fitting the models that they were trying to scare everybody so they had to make the numbers fit you know so by lying about this stuff by creating this shady little back door for them to get more numbers gives them the excuse and they're right. This is like their their power. This is how they're feeding all of this dictatorial talked. Fm Coronas about a fourth of the flu. It's like excuse me four times as bad as the flu. But we don't know what the what what the CO morbidity rates are. We know that the that it is very unlikely that there are more corona deaths. And we're being told but that is very likely that if you're just talking about freestanding corona deaths just deaths of people who weren't GonNa die this year anyway that those numbers are much lower and that trump was right that this is basically a bad case of the flu. Yeah but he. He was saying that early on but he's gone full-on police status. Sure I mean politicians love power. You think that somehow this Ego MANIAC billionaire that took reality TV star that to control the United States. Government is somehow GONNA HO-. Here's an opportunity. Oh yeah and it's going to be a huge political football coming up over the next six months as we get closer to the election which is gonNa be a whole other conversation about. How do you have an election freight about this whole corona virus thing? The election is cancelled. There's an interesting story out of Wisconsin about that already. That happened over the last week. And we didn't have a chance to talk about any of it tonight. 'cause you guys participated in really appreciate you being here. And by the way ruckus. Don't say BS on the area. Drop your call because we ended the hit. The dump it makes me makes me sad when that happens. GotTa remember. We're doing it broadcast Radio Show Tomorrow. Remember when you first. Heard About Bitcoin. How long did it take you to realize this little project would soon change the world? You kind of wish you had gotten involved sooner. Well now's your chance to be part of the next revolution in money. 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So magnesium is really good for people's bodies I highly recommend using so this is a magnesium for body aches and your body absorbs magnesium through the skin better than it does through the pills or the oils that you take great so a lot of people will take epsom salt baths and have you ever. Do you know how to do? An Epson side. Have them as a matter of fact. How tell us about how actually works for you? Does it loosen up your system. Help you relax. I've done it at times when I just wanted to relax. Or if I had body aches and that sort of thing and yeah I mean I think even being in a hot bath without absence also probably help with that body. Relax your muscles relax but Yeah it's always seemed to just kind of relax and calm down. Any helps her. Yeah tightness or anything like that. It's always been helpful. Yeah so if you've been dehydrated and your or your body's cramping up it's usually magnesium deficiency so You could take it but if you take too many of the pills you will poop your pants so be careful when I love you all. I'm being honest and you really don't WanNa do that. When you're in your bath that's true. That's true so Oregano oil. These are capsules but I also have so. This is really great for the immune system I highly recommend looking into all of this don't use Google Triad Duck Duck. Oh okay So that's really good. And then I made like this little pot and they put Oregano oil in this and camel and like lavender and this is really good to put on the kids as bonds with their feet to help their immune systems really safe white about the feet of there's more absorbed you really absorb things to department feet. It sounds crazy. It's everything your grandma told. You was true So he kind of look at all those grandma tricks and then there's usually science behind them. Oh one of the most amazing things that I got. Our family had the flu once and I even had a newborn baby that was four months old and I got us all through the flu faster than anyone. I knew and these tricks us so I use. I can make this myself and I'll tell you how to do it. It's called Garlic Molin oil and it's just it's sounds Yummy. It's smells like olive garden right in the ears and The breadsticks and put it right into that. That law it's You could put this in any age. You put a drop of this in your ear if you think you're going to get a cold or anything or anybody that's prone to ear infections. A lot of people don't realize that chronic ear infections are tied to vaccine injury But but regardless of that you put this in your ears. Preventatively and cures most ear infections. Unless they've already gone really really bad so if you get on top of it right away you will not have air infections. It and you can make your own. This is like twelve bucks. Maybe maybe but you can make your own by taking slicing like a whole header. Garlic really thinly put in the bottom of the SAUCEPAN Covered in olive oil. Put It on the very lowest heat and you just stir it and you're like twenty five minutes until the garlic cloves turn almost black and then the oil is very dark brown. There should be no sentiment and you never bring the oil to smoke point or boil it because it makes it rancid so And then you can just use it forever and honestly you can make an into salad dressing. It's garlic oil And so you do that. And then the other one is a wool sock method or wool socks treatment. Which is going to sound really crazy and nobody ever wants already does before I hear what it is. Okay I every single person that I know that has tried it after I recommended. A lot of people won't try it. They just. They just won't do it. It's weird they'd rather take a pill but this is amazing. Not only is it. A natural fever reducer it also clears chest congestion and it is stimulating to the immune system. So it'll it'll kick start your immune response so as soon as the kids start looking like you know clamming and they don't look I and you know where they start to act too tired and you're like oh the oh no everybody's getting sick And when I start to get worried if I get worried at all you know like that weird feeling anytime that you would normally give the medicine. really quickly. Tylenol depletes glued henning. Gouda enemy is an amino acid. Do not give it if you give your children vaccines. Please do not give him tylenol at all because it will strip them of the ability to process toxins or detox them out of their body in any way and it is usually in line with seizures and encephalitis. So please don't use tylenol and then as we're hearing now with this Ibuprofen is probably not good for people with Corona. Okay so these are ways to reduce your fever. And then the magnesium of bath will help you with your body aches. I'm just trying to give everybody alternative methods here so you take a a bowl or a glass of ice water very cold you take your cotton. Sport socks like ankle socks. You know and you put him in the cold water until they're cold your rhythm out and you put on the cold sweat sock and a dry will sock over the top of it okay. Sounds nuts nuts right but it's also doesn't sound harmful so can't hurry exactly. Your feet might be cold but yeah and then you just get in bed go to bed and you can take them off when they're all dry when they're all dry. It was basically going back to that theory about the feet being absorbed if they're absorbing this cold water overnight it's just going to naturally sort of gathered wall wall has a tendency cotton you can really in the elements. You don't WanNa be in cotton or anything like that right but wall has a tendency even if it's cold and frozen will actually keep you warm better and you won't get hypothermia as much It's it's pretty magnificent. So the wool socks. It's kind of like they draw out the cold water. I don't really understand how it works and I found that method from crunchy group. Ten years ago and it's changed our family's life so another one for infections and there were a few friends I had that may or may not have or had the corona virus over the last month. I mean this one whatever's going on that people do have seems to be a really long three week illness. Okay maybe three and a half Bertel because if I'm sick for two days I'm really I really get to see and it's also seems to be a roller coaster from everybody. I've been collecting as much as I can from anybody who's sick and what's going on out there and this is the thing that everybody seems to have. That has anything. This is what it seems like so it seems like as soon as they feel like they're getting better than they tank again so This is called organic cold pressed. Castor oil You you want. The cold press has on health benefits. And it's called Castor Oil Packs. You can google it easily and There's lots of ways to do it. I do it kind of in a lazier way and cleaner way. So I'll tell you about it so you take You put the Castro oil on the front of your chest where your lungs are or on your back or you can do both. And you spread the casserole. Oliver put a paper towel over it and then a wet wash cloth warm. Wet Wash cloth and then you put the heating pan on it or if your lymph nodes are swollen then you would use like an hot pack on it or the castor oil. This is very old school. This is very old school but it really does fix infections A lot of breastfeeding MOMS know about casserole hot packs because when they get mastitis you can actually clear the infection without taking antibiotics. And things like that so Is this helpful to you or you. Absolutely I actually have a question that popped up in one of the places that post this on facebook. My good friend Jason Byrd Cell. He has about the TYLENOL. Thing that you mentioned is the are you saying? Don't use tylenol if they have ever been vaccinated or close to when they've received vaccines Specifically when they get the vaccines I will never use tylenol ever again knowing what I know about it. Gotcha so what are you have more in the in the closet? Show US first but the more I have way more. Give us the whole thing. If you're afraid you have allergies at the same time. He don't know which is which highly recommend curson usually comes from several sources from nettles and this has with Brahma lane which is actually from fresh. Pineapple has Brom Lane. And if you have a sore throat fresh pineapple in your throat will immediately sued it Better than raw honey. My opinion But you can take as much as you want. And if it is all natural with no side effects so if this is almost working for you have a really bad day with allergies. Then you can take one of your meds. I don't really like my husband was a monster. When he used to take meds either he was falling asleep or he was mean so This is great sore throat Raw Apple CIDER. Vinegar has probiotics in it And you can dilute it because it's very strong and it sucks and the kids aren't GonNa do it but for them. I do a cheap acid. Dafa Louis which probiotics and you know John and his probiotics. Yes we're on the same page about that pop into the comments and promote it right now I would So acidosis or or a better brand is going to be better but you can pop up these capsules and sprinkle it in the water and Gargle. That'll help kill. The bacteria does good bacterial smother out the back bacteria For full VIC minerals. Take these for so many things. But it's really the best for absorption of minerals and things in your gut so this probiotics is absolutely wonderful And then collided solar. Now this is again. Don't use Google. This is not the Alex Jones. That's my I know. This is not the stuff that turn blue. It's ionized. This is really strong. I actually buy it because it's cheaper this way and then I just deluded myself in a smaller bottle for twenty five. Ppm This will kill And you can gargle with it. Kill bacteria put it in your nose. It'll kill bacteria At fungus kills everything. It's really great and then I'm almost there. This is highly recommended. There's some amazing stories about demons. So but this is what it does. It is an anti inflammatory. It's actually kind of like a a byproduct from pine processing actually and so this. The downside of it is the moment it touches your skin. You taste garlicky. Yeah it can't be inheritance but It actually tastes makes you taste like garlic and gives you garlic press until use it more often and it's that's pretty gross so I don't blame any normies for not wanting to use this. That said if you have a let's say we'd butter cannabis butter on your Really Sore shoulders or a A really good blend. That helps loosen the muscles. If you put this on I it actually is a carrier into your skin. In fact you can actually kill infection in your in your glance and things like that if you put the d. m. s. on first and then anything that you used to kill that I think that's mostly everything and this is for everybody especially Women Demand House you cannot you or you can stop using antibiotics anytime that somebody gets. Uti that's a very common thing especially for little girls who don't know how to keep themselves clean properly for daughters You could sprinkle us a little bit in their water and actually grabs onto all like e. Coli bacteria and flushes it out when they go to the bathroom. And you'll never you in in Europe. They don't even use antibiotics for. Ut is they use this. So I think that's helpful stuff you need to put together a light heart starter. Pack and have a little affiliate link here guys. That's funny and then of course there's things like mushrooms also great for energy but I I mean I don't know everything. I'm sure I'm missing out. Lots of ood headaches. Also Turmeric is an anti inflammatory. And it's just turmeric okay and A little bit peppermint essential oil on your temple and just wipe it right year or two hear and your headache will go away immediately. And that's also a natural fever reducer. Okay not really you know there are. There are going to be the audience. Now that are hearing you list all this stuff and you know there are some people out there that are rolling their eyes saying oh here we go on is holistic people bla-bla-bla really just go to the doctor and do exactly as they're told sure and. I'm sure you get this in your real life from the busy buddies out there. So what what's your response to people. That are skeptical about using different supplements and that sort of thing that say he's just go to your doctor. Do what you're told. Take the pills. You're given move on well first of all. Don't tell me what to do. Ha Okay but but also that yes. what it really comes down to is this. I want you to do whatever you WANNA do. When I'm show some things if you are like worried about like quotas over Orlando No. Don't do it. But when I'm talking about wool socks or Cath royal which we all know his natural or drink vitamin C. So these things are. It's like this if you WANNA believe. They won't work then they might not work. Power intention is actually way more important than people realize. I mean you have people from all walks of life whether you're a Christian whether you're a Buddhist whether you're non-secular secular but you are Going to seminars for the secret. What do you think it's all about? You keep your mind positive. Keep your soul strong. We have got to be combat in the collective unconscious of everybody out there fearmongering because you know what their vibrations themselves I know. This is hippy. Dippy sounding it'd be a love it. It's nastiness okay and we have to raise our consciousness and our vibration and live our best life to combat that. That's the active resistance on the base level. How do you feel when you're in a bad mood? You're depressed you feel physically shitty to you feel like you don't want to get out of bed. You're tired when you're feeling happy and you're in a good mood then you feel the opposite so if you can find a way to do that to yourself to change your attitude towards everything you're gonNa feel better better than they would otherwise you're gonna be automatically healthy but you're going to be in a better situation than you are if you just say. Oh No. I'm feeling sick. Oh No oh no. I know I'm going to get sick. I fear lettuce. Fear do during Zayed's raises. Your depression makes you sick as well. I'm not saying this is a complete myth or anything like that. That's not what I'm doing I'm saying why. Would you try something different if you know? There's no risk I didn't say don't do what you WANNA do. Also don't listen to your doctor onto you know. I choose who I listened to and I have to ask my doctor questions. And if they don't know more than I do then I'm not listening to them but the first step with that is that I had to learn more than eight it you know. And it goes back to the idea of authority and the idea that it doesn't just apply to government up at applies to so many sectors in life. Where yeah the state doesn't just mean government and you think that your doctor is the ultimate authority and everything and you gotta go doctor by doctors. Some doctors do a lot of research into nutrition and other areas of life. And we'll give you sort of wider wider girth of advice other doctors. They just go through their system. They go through medical school and they essentially diagnosed you from a book and give you an spit out the prescribe prescription and there's going to be different doctor doctor but it's not like doctors. I don't think any of us are saying doctors are evil in our cackling way in their office that they just gave us bad advice. It's not like that at all. I think it's just a just like any other area of life. There are people that go through the system and just following the system exactly as it is right and they're going to spit out the system answers that's just it's GonNa work and will in this day in time we're on quarantine going to the doctor right now. Where all those? Germs probably actually are if if if you're afraid of we're all quarantine because they're afraid of these germs or this virus. You know where it's going to be at a doctor office. It just will be because people that are sick are going there. Okay so if you don't think you're sick enough to go to have to go to the doctor but you want to prevent these things taking care of your nutrition and just taking the vitamin C. And getting sunshine and getting fresh air which is an sunshine specifically kills. It heat kills viruses. Fevers are good so don't use a fever reducer. If you don't absolutely need to don't think in fear think like a king think like a winner think like a general. You are in charge. You need to see things coming. You need prepare yourself and if there is no risk try this stuff out before you even want to go to a doctor. That's how I look at think. Like a king. I like that slogan thanks Ray. Lean means kingly. Oh there you go excellent I and I want to talk more about the the sudden late and the exercise and the fresh air because one thing that bothers me the most about this whole thing and a lot of at least here in Los Angeles before we got an official shelter at home order safer at home order. Whatever they're calling it now. Most businesses had already voluntarily sent most people. They could home Where I work. In television production everybody not directly involved in productions was sent home before there was any government order and and people were doing their jobs from home. Some of us. That can't work from home. Where they're still sort of distancing on our own. No one told us to do this. Other than company suggesting it and this all came in private means and then we switched to the shelter at home order and I. It seemed like okay. We weren't supposed to go to work. We're supposed to be inside. Buildings gathered together. Okay that bothers me for many reasons on its own from the authorities side. But let's leave that aside for a second but people are still going outside getting exercise going to trails going to the beach but then they decided to many people were going to the Beach. And that was considered large gatherings. And same thing. What's happening on a Lotta trails? Because now nobody's working because everyone here either works in TV production or something related TV production or a restaurant or a bar and that's gone. Yeah nothing else to do. Why are we not going to enjoy the nature? Which is one of the reasons why people live here. But now they've started to systematically closed. The beaches closed the trails. Even the most innocuous things like there's a wooden little workout area on this one little walkway that walk my dogs on sometimes down in Manhattan beach. That's totally close off taped off. You're not you can't go. Exercise there on on wood outside and the Sun will kill any virus on that would by the way so anybody who is actually concerned about the virus being on the would this Senate self will kill it and that's why it just seems insane to me that they seem to be actively now discouraging people from even going outside and even leaving your houses and I got a lot of people when I post stuff like this. That will say well. That's just still you're allowed to go outside. You can walk around your neighborhood and yes that's true. You can walk around your neighborhood. Why even living in a world where? I'm having a conversation about where I can walk where I can go but regardless of that. It's clear that they are discouraging. Yes you can go there. Actually now arresting people for it in other states. Are they doing that where you are in in West Palm? Yeah well not that I have seen in Washington. I just saw something about New York and I just saw something about New Jersey and I am now seeing actual proven like arrest tickets and things like that. It's our just being out. Yes it with their own Husband and wife Dad and daughter I saw So and they're not social distanced even though he lived together even though they're going to go home and not be social distance of course or in the car and it seems like if you have two scenarios you can have. Let's say three Person Family Mom Dad and they can do two things they can stay inside all day or they can go outside together and still be in the same distance. They'd be inside but be getting exercise beginning sunlight and all these healthy things. It's pretty obvious. Which of those is the more healthy scenario but the state seems to be discouraging the The second one a lot more than I won this will first of all we we. We are all here. We are all libertarian curious. At least everybody. Who's watching this so so this is what it comes down to. When is there an example? Where the state doesn't actually make it insanely different than what they were trying to do. Mike when had they not failed at any execution? When has it not been arbitrary or logically inconsistent? This is no different than what we already know of. The state is just more. Oppressive and people are cheering them. Effing on it is insanity because if you are the fact that they are saying you can't go anywhere you go to the store. The stores are limiting things down to two loves the Brad and get this one this week in Los Angeles. They said we highly recommend. Don't go to grocery shopping this week either because this is a important week we're told for stopping the virus. Oh Yeah Okay. So we have a family of eight right and my oldest live here right now. So that's how that is right now. So imagine that when we're only allowed by one toilet paper and Joe Eric I would think okay now right and so and I just want to point out that. That's a store mandate. I'm not asking for a law but I'm asking for some common effing sense that now I have to go to multiple stores and not only expose myself but other people to me depending on who is carrying what because it's all invisible and no one knows okay or I have to go back to the store every single day to get what I need. We take two carts. Every time I go grocery shop is also distance. Anyway all right I have a daughter. Who'S IMMUNO-COMPROMISED I don't play around? My daughter has heart disease. She is congenital heart failure. Which is how I got into this crunchy medicine and all these things I mean I. It's how I did. My research is why So the fact that everyone out there is screaming about somebody. Not Wearing gloves gloves. Don't protect you. They just make you not touch your face as often and if your own interface with the glove is not going to really. It's not a bloodborne illness. And only that. What is a matter of that person's wearing gloves or not it's all about handwashing? Not Touching the virus. You think that if you have gloves on your touching everything everybody else has touched use your commonsense anyway. It's it's insane out there. There is no it's arbitrary and then they say we'd stores which they won't even legalize until two years ago or something crazy and then now they're essential services. Ed Is Hilarious. How same thing here. We'd was declared in the central services but I would actually argue. It is but I I would also argue anybody. Running a business to save their life is essential service businesses or people and this is something that Libertarians. Don't say enough and it because I think this is. The movie lumped in with Mitt Romney and corporations are people right well. Well it's compassionate. Capitalism is what hotels rate and. I really liked that term. Because businesses are people I have a business. That's me and my labor and my fruit fruits of my labor. And what I'm doing that is me so when I get told I'm not essential I'm not allowed to. I'm now breaking the law. If I WANNA go help someone build their roof right but somebody sells energy bars to people close to the military bases local. That's an essential business. It's a game store that has energy bars in and they were deemed essential. It's really the lack of logic and common sense what's really driving me crazy. Yeah between policies and just people's calling for these policies. I mean the part that I'm shocked by mark when you asked earlier. I'm sorry to interrupt I. You asked me that and I have to tell you. It's one thing to talk about What do people call you? A conspiracy theorist all libertarians. Of course are conspiracy theories so the government to be an extent. Tee WE'LL RIGHT. And and that was a term propagated in created by the CIA. Anyway downplayed. What's funny is when people use that term. They're part of a conspiracy. I mean. Yeah exactly. So they've been brainwashed by spiracy to make that a term to it's like it's like an exception so conspiracy exception okay so yeah When you look at what's happening. I knew that this was going to happen. We all knew but looking at. Oh sorry. I'm sorry I'm getting very little looking around at happening all at one time right now. I'm like I thought I had ten years. I'm sorry you know sweaty. This is like really upsetting to me. I I'm shocked I'm disgusted. I'm in my local groups and I'm seeing. Everyone's screaming about hoarding. But they don't understand what hoarding is. And because there's shortages because of shutting down on the businesses or your toilet papers for your person family you're hurting. That's that's that's exactly what's happening. Yes that's exactly what's happening and the way they're there's there's promoting violence. They're just taking pictures of local people and trying to to vilify. I mean this is what fear does and this is one thousand nine hundred four. This is people reporting on anybody. I mean I'm loving the mean groups about the Karens and and I'm loving that we are resisting and calling out but I am horrified by house if this gets worse. I'm literally scared of my neighbors. Trying to to come in rape kill and murder our family and steal food and do what they gotta do. I mean this is like I'm more worried about the neighbors at this point because they are cheering on this fascism. Ooh It's really frightening. I mean there was this guy who is out paddle boarding around here the other day and he was obviously if your paddle boarding even an even on a crowded day in the ocean. You're always social dancing on a paddle board. Because you can't really be within the six long knock each other over. So you're always social distancing paddle boarding but of course the beach was closed and he was the only one out there so of course the beach cops came and took him out of the beach and the rest of them so now he goes from being on getting exercise alone. Paddleboard nowhere near anybody to being exit to cops without masks being brought to jail or inside around more people probably putting a sale sell maybe in a cell with other people who which which scenario sticks jail. I bet. I'm sure I'm sure I do see a lot of people think it's wrong. Actually the vast majority of people but I have a probably slightly skewed timeline due to all the libertarians. Follow the PODCAST. But there are people that not only chair. This I think is necessary. Because if we don't arrest people we don't show people that serious Then people are just GonNa go out and do it around right so social distance yourself. Why and if I may this is really important to me as Thank you if I you will get an argument with me. You will be disrespected by me. I will walk you if you try to tell me that. Your immunity is my responsibility because no in and this is from a mother with a child who is immuno-compromised this is from. I'm telling you that her immunity is her responsibility and because I'm her mother our responsibility to protect her that it is our job to feed our bodies. Would it what it needs to be able to get through this? It is our job to teach ourselves and practice good hygiene. Because that's what it takes that you will never be able to find the person who made you sick. You can't really everybody tries. Say Oh I got sick from somebody over. Here must have been this person. That's not how germs work. It's not a virus. Work Learn something and take responsibility for yourself it is not an AP violation. And I'm probably going to lose a lot of people here on this one but but this soon as it is not an AP violation. Your House needs to have a lock on its doors. Your House needs to be protected by you including someone breaks into Your House. It starts coughing on you okay. They have now simply injecting you with a virus is a is a different thing. I'm not talking about forcibly entering your body to do so but it's communicable and it will. It has never in the history of man ever been punishable to blame other people for making them sick. You protect yourself. So this is a lack of self ownership a complete lack of a complete lack of self ownership in in including your mind. Your soul your body. That's your worse and we just don't have that anymore and you can't blame other people for you getting sick. Take care of yourself a little bit better and that's just how this works. Okay yeah I mean just the I think the biggest concern? I'm getting right now. It was originally from the police. Take from the idea that we're all being lockdown or shutdown but three hours. I haven't really seen much police activity myself out here. I'm sure that's happening other places. I saw five cops. I live in the woods. Okay I live in the woods and we're driving and see one cop go by me and I'm like Oh there's there's the cop looking for people walking on the side of the street together you know I kind of make a joke and then I I'm I'm going into town. I come up like a finally history labor again on the outside of town and I saw four cops driving by. There's more cops on the road and people well imagine their revenue has taken a hit with less people out driving. Lets people out doing stuff. I know the red light cameras aren't getting making as much money and the cops aren't able to pull as much people over. So maybe maybe we're doubling down in a way. Because they have to try to make their money make their. I make quotas essential very essential. Yeah but like like you. I share the concern of of the mentality. I see in my many of my fellow citizens more so I mean this blue checkmark mentality to. It's the mentality that we we. We saw something on. Cnn are. We saw something on Fox News. I'm not trying to be left to right here. And then therefore we know everything because we've heard from an expert on TV and that's the one expert. Listen to so now we know everything so Hashtag say the fuck home and it's really. It's really frightening. How quickly it goes from expert advice to we think the police the state we. We're GONNA advocate for the state to crack down on you now. We're GONNA advocate for you to put in jail for doing something like being outside for doing something like going to the beach and this mentality is not something that's GonNa go away. What's macaroni virus there? It is there it is. Did you see the link that I share today from a man from the WHO? Who World Health Organization? They are evil. Do Not Trust Classic Man. Who and I know they're great So there he actually said that well. You know one thing that we're not talking about how the families are living together and somebody could be Nathan Tomato carrier and they could have it in their families so we are telling everybody that we think that pretty soon. We're going to be going door to door and pulling families apart this is like FEMA camps shit. This is you separate everybody into Little Cubes. So that there just in case anyone might have this thing taking people's Children. I mean what what does that mean? I mean and I want you to know that who has just been busted by the livewire Adele big tree who used to be a producer on the show. The doctors He's done some amazing documentaries and he Released some footage from the World Health Organization big summit and they got up and basically said what are you doing to test these vaccines? It was all about Vaccines Right. And they said well. We haven't really done actual testing safety testing. We don't have very good safety testing in place we have. This hasn't been done but we really need to get this done. So they're saying and hasn't been and they and they show the the woman. That's like a lead researcher there from India. Who's up there answering the questions? And then they show a video that she released five days before. It's a commercial for who with all these very scientific people in the background with lab coats and vials and pouring stuff in the background. Saying that this is the best research and science. That's ever been done. The safety testing we never stopped testing for safety. And I mean literally saying the opposite things. Okay so Who was giving an oral polio vaccine? Which is already made illegal in United States because the oral polio vaccine was spreading polio? So because of that they made it illegal here and then Bill Gates and who were out there giving people in Third World countries the oral polio vaccine. In my opinion it was to pump up the numbers so that would force people here goal. We don't want to be like if people in Indian Africa. We don't want to be like that because I saw something saying in. The is the comeback of polio in India. Here's why aren't to blame? Okay and there it is is that right. They're listening over in Africa. So what happened is they. Were actually still letting it blasts off and taking really maxine advice. You know Johnny doesn't like me to talk about this stuff very often so to your free to your home here. Thanks so what this is. Why would they be giving an outdated illegal thing to to poor black people who don't have clean water? Who DON'T HAVE HYGIENE PRACTICES? Who Don't have access to the clean water. Why would they be giving something? That spreads through fecal matter and and going to the bathroom because that's how it spread their hands. Why would they be giving people in a live? Vaccine Live virus able. That might say well. That's just conspiracy about it spreading about it being dangerous the orioles vaccine. Then you have to ask. Why is it illegal here? So which which logic are you going to use the government logic or not? That's exactly right so I just kind of for me you can. Sometimes we're looking for the data tobacco but we believe I would say almost all the time even the riots fall prey while very afraid of that right absolutely and I have to keep an eye on that because I definitely have distrust issues. All right That said there's nothing wrong with observing. There's nothing wrong with seeing that everybody could be lying that there could be truth everywhere and maybe possible. China's lies the US government lies The CDC lies this is they're all the same ratifies ability and they can all be lying different directions. That's right that's right. I want to talk a little more about the vaccine aspect of this because I know this is an area. You're really passionate about and I get concerned. Put aside the even safety or efficacy vaccines for a second I put. I'm very concerned when I see people like Bill Gates who suddenly I guess is the world's leading expert in epidemiology. Going out there saying well what we're really going to need to do. We're going to lock down for eighteen months. You can't leave your houses. Then we're going to have to make sure we vaccinate everybody in the world. Oh here's an idea. Then I'd rather fucking die of corona virus. I'm sorry swore everybody. Yeah you know what the ankle bracelet or have a chip in my hand. That says whether I yeah. I mean he's literally has suggesting this as the only solution to this problem of corona virus scares me so here you should be scared so Here's something that's really interesting and I and I have to say that I I watched like Let's let's talk about like Democrats for instance. Democrats have really understand. Understand the secret sauce to radicalism. Okay so the the liberals have really really Harnessed the energy of radicals and they push out the real crazy radical People so so communists that are out there right now saying they're outwardly saying they're communists you know They are forging ahead for the liberal agenda. Okay that is what's happening. And they you know conservatives are not very good at the radical thing because they always end up being fucking stupid racist definition. They're not radically. You can't be radical. Yeah we we're like Chris. Cantwell Stuffing Link Macbeth's Gross. And in and like they don't have they're not actually pushing anything good but Radical Libertarianism an anarchist out there They do the most educating of people who are libertarian curious in the end now people that are way. More middle of the road and Libertarian. Just the ideas which are way beautiful for bringing everyone and mark you are so non-threatening all right thank you. I think no no. It's not wonderful except that lion air. You know you were in you. Will your kind your respectful your fun. You keep it fun Andhra. You introduced the ideas that are very practical every man understanding of liberty and so I think that's that's amazing. That's that's your job right in this movement. That's what you're supposed to do. You're supposed to make these ideas approachable for people. That's what you are doing is what you are doing right. And then there are the more radical whole People that are and I'm not quite all the way there i Mike somewhere in the middle like on on the road to radicalism You know I am a friendly radical and then there's mutual radical of mind and affable roach. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah right and so. I'm a little more outspoken on radical Things because I've been doing this for a million years and a half to two nice otherwise my girl So I think that it's important for for women to be able to speak their mind and I'm not. I'm not like a textbook feminist. It's not like that but I do think that women need to lead by example to other women about how to be self possessed kind loving and nurturing and all those wonderful things that women can be at the same time having strong opinions In an open mind right but the the radicalism. So what are they doing right? Now this is radical. He's pushing the radical radical points. And so even if he doesn't get right away we are going to be moving the herd in that direction so they we think we win if we only get the force vaccine with no microchip in it. Right right okay. We didn't get the microchip so world. Meanwhile we just have a certificate instead. Tokyo so great. Yeah absolutely I mean. It's heads how they always moved the overton window. They present these monstrous outrageous ideas. And then there too crazy so they don't go through but you get something that's forty percent there too conservative say. Hey we stopped the liberal agenda. They're still taking things. Meanwhile it's moved it's moved. It's moved when when did you start recognizing like how far into libertarianism. Was it before you realized that everything's a joke and you don't even know how to handle it because it's not funny but also it's Hilarious That's like there's almost like a question you know what I'm talking about that. That that weird place where where? It's just sort of laugh reacting everything because you're like it's so obvious. Maybe now I mean I mean to me. It's been this thing that I can point things out that people all the time these laws that are being passed here and there are these laws are being passed here and there to me. This is the biggest like real world. Holy Shit this is all happening this kind of stuff that you hear Alex Jones Talk. Your Dad's stuff that when I was in my early I guess conspiracy vase philosophy side more into that stuff. This is exactly what people like Alex Jones that we're talking about wrong about most of it. No I mean. His approach turns people off. But look. You can't deny that they're calling for Vaccines and microchips. Because they're doing highly openly calling for it. How are you to say hi to him so I just love him. I love him. You Guys Start Your own show you and how he doing like a a health related something so he can talk about his spiritual things you can talk about your holistic medicines. I think it'd be a real hit. The I really love to play with him. I would love to watch right now. I remember a very wholesome lady that I am as is very wholesome lady surly and I just want to wind down here with your final thoughts about this whole thing. I mean how. How are you first of all? How are you keeping saying during all this? Maybe you're not. I go back and forth clean. King there you go. So here's the deal. Who owns you you own you you are you get it. I know you do you and I are right now. We're vibrating because you know what we we are in charge of us and day can take your body and they can force your movement. And I'm so sorry that we're in this position. Everybody I am so sorry I love all of you and you don't deserve this. We none of us deserve this. That said they cannot take our minds and they cannot take our hearts and we own them and do not let them rob you of your joy in your piece because happiness is a fleeting emotion that comes and goes and the hopefully we foster more and more happiness in it but happiness is not a state of being but real true peace is because when you have true peace in your heart and you understand that fear is meant to control you. Fear is used to exploit you. Then you will go. Is this irrational fear or is it something I understand that can happen and now I choose to live my life in this way as a resistance as a fuck you because they will not rob me of my piece and I will raise my children to be diligent to be careful self possessed to own themselves. I'm raising my children to be the resistance and every single time we come into contact with somebody out there. Hey give a corona wave. Give a smile make jokes. Make sure you're loud enough for that. Six feet distance but honestly have a great time and do kind things to people. Show them that they can trust their neighbors and that we do not need to live society where we are controlled completely. That's I think that's an awesome message to end on because there's only so many things that we can control in our lives. There's all this stuff going on around us. We can't control how our neighbors act. We can't control our neighbors. Think we can't tell what the state does. We can't control it. The Cop Zoo but we can control what we do and we can't control what's in our minds and we can decide yes. We're going to be afraid we're going to sense the worst thing coming and just go on about it constantly and create that culture of fear and make errors or we can be the positive inspiration that we have to be. Because that's the only way we're GONNA change people. We're not going to change people by screaming at the top of our lungs behalf. Everything's horrible and how we have a police state and all this that we have to show if our neighbors are afraid of afraid we're GonNa make things worse by spreading the corona virus. Do kind for your neighbor saying. Do you have some groceries? I can get them delivered over. Do you need any help. And now at least they might trust you a little bit dropping off a couple of alcohol wipes and a and a small vegetable garden. It's like hey guys this is it. This is the chance and it's not all about what you do. Although the more you do for people right now we'll be noticed. So you are an ambassador to what we believe. So every time that you engage in beautiful volunteerism you are actually like living the the the movement you're showing it and we and you know and there's things like biblical things they talk about. Let your light shine. This is what this is and when people see that we have a healthy understanding of what the Eagles in the world are that that we have hope and we have understanding that we can still be self possessed we are showing them the light and I and that doesn't have to be spiritual for you but liberty to me is spiritual and we got this. I will really and I think that's a beautiful message to 'em things on before I let hop off here. Why don't you just take a second to Just plug the PODCAST blastoff. And as well I think you guys thinking of Johnny have something new in the works if I if I saw that correctly. 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Pita chips still stuck in my throat. So what I tried to power through. So what is going on with the guys this week? So there's there's another reason why Ken might want to be here. And that's because he's he's in quarantine students so he doesn't have any traction with them anymore or direct conversation is it's kind of a very closed off environment which you know you could talk about it if you want. But I'm sure. Ken LOVES THE FEEDBACK THAT HE GETS US over here. Who I was just saying. I'm sure you love the feedback. You get over here because we will push back on you can if necessary whereas you probably don't get that in you know boring Do with the Professor Says College Environment. Yeah they've I. I hate online teaching. I much prefer in the classroom where you get to see the faces and the expressions and you get the talking and the feedback and you can ask questions of them and they actually You know people get in just but Online you're looking at a screen Maybe not even most of the students Don't turn on their their Camera or their sound even and you're just talking big screen and I mean you can. There are a lot of techniques you can use to try and encourage them come out but the technology is still very rough. I'm sure there are people who are experts at it but you know it jumping into it as quickly as I have. I'm not done polished in my computer's seemed all these a workout. At any rate online. Teaching is almost a waste of time. It seems to me absolutely. I don't necessarily disagree with that. I mean it. It's different for everybody right. If you're not tech savvy than you know hosting the class online might look too little bit difficult But you know the the age of college students at this point and the not necessarily the age but the the amount of time that they've been around technology makes it entirely more convenient for them to do it this way than the old fashioned way. So maybe it's just like the wave of the future where you don't have to congregate in a class and you know. Just do it all. Yeah and so for a little bit information for people that don't know Kansas class is is all about the lectures very minimal book us at all so for his teaching model it you know the online is just not working and you know. I think online learning is probably the way to go for for most people seeking information Except for you if you if you're trying to get information from from a lecture now it's just a it's not ideal right. Yeah I think online is very suited to a textbook and prepared you know. Professional materials and the professor is not a professor. He's a facilitator of canned material. And I I much prefer the concept of a professor as being a An interrupted is unique and has different ideas on the world and isn't just regurgitating. What is the but the standard textbook but You know so I didn't. That's I'm sure that There are other professors. Who might disagree with me about it but I think that works really well is to have stuff? That's all prepared in the professional environment. Easy to deliver. But it doesn't have meaning it so you think it's more meaningful to hold the classes in person where you can interact with people more regularly absolutely. Yeah right but that's still I mean again. I don't care either way. I I did all my college and all the all my schooling in person behind the desk. I I took zero. Online courses Mostly because they were like just starting to become a thing When I was in college and so there was no need for I live. I live five minutes away from campus via bicycle And so I was there but at the same time you know we have a. I know people who are getting like their doctorates via online education. Only right you know with with one. Maybe one two week visit to campus over the course of the whole doctorate level program. So the there's you know there's something to be said about the feasibility of online learning going forward For those that want it and for those like you can't who wanNA teach in the in the private environment or in the in the classroom environment with willing students who want to be there and want that type of interaction and discussion right? That should also be available to them. Yeah I think I. I'm not trying to say that that all of those other techniques are useless. I think learning something that is so unique to each individual and I you know the style of learning the style of of experience can be so different for each person. But that's just not my style and I I know it. It's partly that you know when you reach old age and you'd like to think of of having Developed a lot of skills and talents and knowledge in a certain style. And you get used to that I'm not saying that younger people who are more adept at the technological world can't Benefited enormously by that. It's just it's not my style I don't like it and some of them probably benefit from your style right there. There's probably students out there who learn better in a classroom setting learn better with the discussions and interactions get the hands on experience right. That are now missing out. Because they're not even allowed to to educate themselves in that manner if you if you wanted to if you wanted to pay for classroom setting You were now prevented from doing so. That's right I yeah. That's that's a sad thing that there is no classroom face to face Right now because of this disease panic But hopefully I'm hopeful that It'll all be passed us by fall and we'll be back in in style that We won't go back to this But you know I who knows at a crystal ball you might be able to say as there are some people who are saying well. The whole world has changed now. It's going to be adapting to this new six foot distance from every person and You know but I don't. I don't think that's going on that long. That people will lose the familiar human touch. I don't mean to put you on the spot can but do you have. Do you have any Credible viable sources of evidence to support the claim that you think this is going to be over by fall only because the more I read about it the more I hear about it the more I interact with people The more pessimistic I become that normalcy is in the near future. No I don't have any events in fact this is an interesting phenomena as and you know it as well as anyone here rich because Everybody's talking about all the possible theories of what could be happening. And there's some data that comes out that tosses into mix and then and makes you believe that Armageddon Magadan is on the way and another piece of evidence so well. It's all going to be finished within two weeks. I you go with little bits and pieces of evidence to support the rumor but it is really rather probably right. There's it's all rumor and it's just you know what are you? What do you believe in why And whereas you know personally I believe that we should have freedom to do whatever the fuck we want right and if and if you don't feel comfortable with that then you do whatever the fuck you want over there six feet away from us who were doing whatever the fuck we want where we happen to be standing and that'd fine right like I don't. I don't understand even within libertarian communities Why the why freedom is not still the answer right. Why why under this pandemic crisis situation? Y Yeah of course. Businesses need to be shut down. Of course people need to be quarantined at home right. Why why not? Why not just let freedom of association stand and if you don't want associate with certain people don't and you don't WanNa shop at certain places you know be because of their procedures. Don't take your business elsewhere. Let the market decide I went to outmanned. Did we talk about this last week? I went to trader Joe's. Do you guys remember telling this story at all. Can't remember it was. It was on air or not. No okay so I got I got. I got the list the shopping list to head over to trader. Joe's last sometime last week I don't remember exactly what day it was anymore but I got you know the the you know the m one m wanted some stuff so I went because she's self quarantining way more than I am I don't know when the last time she saw the Sun But you know so. She goes like I need. I need things from the supermarket. All right stop off on my way home from work or whatever I'll go get it So I get to trader Joe's and this particular trader. Joe's there's like. There's there's an employee who is either very exuberant about his job or mentally handicapped and I don't want to call them out on either one But he's you know he's like the carton jeter so usually like you're walking up to trader Joe's and he just like calls out from a distance. Hey car and he just pushes it across the parking lot and then you catch it right like he's a fun Guy So I'm walking trader Joe's and he's pushing the cart like club. Like Hey I'm here. He goes no can't do it. Got a good sanitize clean so I tried to follow him into the store to grab you know where the sanitizer cleaning cart was like. No you can't come in there's line queue outside. Obviously I'm missing all the fucking protocols here but it's a private establishment right. So I've I've I've fall in line and follow the protocols because I have a list I need to. I need to come home with the list. So they're only letting you know they're they're sanitizing all the parts right outside the door getting an echo. Where did that come from? Sorry okay The sanitizer out of the car. It's outside the door so I you know I wait my turn. I grabbed the car. It's all web down. Go ahead and do my shopping and then I go to checkout and there's like there's a a line on the floor like a blue x like you may not cross this line My are what I got the car over here. Like what are you GonNa do you like? Well you like throw the Karnad you. This is based like you. Leave the car there. You take six steps back. And then the lady comes and grabs the cart and then run through processes everything and then when she's done scanning everything in she takes steps back. I think the I told her I was like twenty feet away. You GotTa be twenty feet away at all the time but she takes like six steps back and then you walk up to the machine and you swipe your credit card and then because I think they're new to this too. There was like a brief moment where she almost came close to me right size as Ooh because the receipt started to print out and she instinctively went to grab it and handed to me and then she remembered I'm standing there. She can't approach right so she stepped six feet back again and she's like. Do you want your receipt. If it's all the same new I'll just grab it off the machine and be on my way. We don't need to do this six. You take steps back and rip through and put it on the counter and take a step back step up and grab it right where we don't need to doing this nonsense so I grabbed the receipt and I left. Wow what a fucking procedure that was just to get like five things groceries right and so what what's processing through my mind at the time was trader. Joe's is a store that is taking this You know virus thing really seriously and doing what they believe is in the best interest of their customers to protect the safety of the supermarket. Bright I go fine. I don't know if I WANNA go back to trader Joe's anytime soon right. That is not the shopping experience that I find enjoyable or that I WANNA be a part of I get it that it's the normal thing to do right now I don't want to be part of it now for my Facility because I I work at a self storage facility as my primary place of employment Michael and I've told my bosses. This is to not make things any different four customers right. Customers should feel like everything is as normal in my facility. The chaos happens around me and I am insulated. From the chaos. What does that mean if a customer wants to walk through the door step up to my counter hand me cash. I will take the cash process the receipt and had them the receipt right if they want to rent a unit and then shake my hand. I will shake their hand. Because that's what we do now. There are customers. That don't WanNa come in right so outside the door. There's you know the cash dropbox for those folks inside the door. There's a desk. There's a few customers that have walked in so I'm just GONNA leave this way over here. And then they dropped the payment in the league and I have to get up and go walk over and grab it taken in right so I in providing the most level of personal freedom For All my customers individually right. You can do what you want you. You're a big boy. You're put on your big boy pants. You take whatever precautions you need if you come in wearing a mask. I'M NOT GONNA say Shit about the mask. If you want to wear gloves foul means do so right you do you and others will do others but I don't want to. I don't want to lock down or put any weird procedures in place because I think it's silly number one and because customers can choose what they WANNA do right. It's not like I'm forcing anyone to come up and violate the protocols that they feel comfortable with all options are on the table. So I'm just I'm just contracting that the trader Joe's who had like obviously trader. Joe's has more traffic than obviously dealing groceries and foods products. I'm not I'm not saying it's a perfect comparison but I would prefer the shopping experience that gave me the choice to walk through the door. Rabble I one hit the register and walk out. You know without without a whole bunch of HOOPLA and tubes to jump through a new protocols and procedures in place that's just me But it's amazing. How many people are calling for like that? To be the new norm by force by mandate you know by by rule of law. If you will. And that's the most frustrating thing going on right now. The Future of shopping was almost in this. This is happening already before the virus was was almost where you go through. You put stuff as you put it in your car you scan on your phone and then it just pays for it when you walk out the door and you don't have to even go to the register at Sam's Club Right Right Sam's Club and go up but you still. I think they still need a paper receipt or something to show him at the door that you paid for it. I don't really works but I don't. I think you need to show them some sort of proof of purchase. I don't know if you get. I haven't used it yet because I've only I have the APP but I've only been to SAM's once we didn't do that But but again you pay for it through the APP I believe. Correct me if I'm wrong so it just has like you know. Here's the here's the list of stuff that bought. Here's what I've already paid. And then you know. It's not like me bag anything up for you anyway. Just carry it to your car. So did you see the news about in Vermont they They told the stories that they can only sell things that are essential and so things like seeds. Yeah we're we're not essential vegetables seats not essential right. The how would you? How would you as as the government? How how do you determine what is essential? Or what isn't or if you're a store. How do you deserve it? It is it's so arbitrary like I saw him the other day that I really liked and it said What jobs are essential? Well any job that puts food table is essential for that person and their individual life. It's absolutely essential exactly. Yeah so I think you know yeah I don't want to get into the negative territory now I'll get into it. Let's fucking get it out. No I think we're heading off a cliff and when when when people do start getting hungry. Of course everybody's been trying to buy hoard food but it's not gonNa last forever and It's it's definitely not a satisfying wait. Wait till live. Either you know people like being able to enter the market to get what they want and but if they don't have any money or a way to get it or if they don't have a job to go to it can yeah. I think it's I think it's GonNa turn out well definitely much worse than the two thousand eight ish. It's awesome information about housing in Hawaii hasn't been affected yet but I don't know how they can say that. I think you know prices for housing are GONNA get cut in half at least and It's that's not even the worst of it you know right and you know as far as the housing is concerned. I'm kind of this. Is One of those like back door things where I'm going? Well hopefully maybe could be. I'm in the market. If prices come down could get something pretty good for pretty cheap right right right. Well you know I don't WanNa win like this but a fucking win is a win you know. Oh yeah definitely If you've got cash that's going to go on and on the other hand you know. Depending how volatile everything gets you know big. Bitcoin could still crashed too so You know I hope it ends sooner than later. I'm more confident about bitcoin rebounding than I am about cash rebounding. Yes bitcoin volatile now. And you know. Oh yeah definitely now but what I'm saying now. This now might be might last year four months or longer and so bringing the you know the the crisis. There's there's bound to be people that that have a lot of bitcoin and they get really scared and so they need to get out of Bitcoin into other things that they think are more valuable at during a crisis and so you know. The value of Bitcoin could drop temporarily quite drastically. And I'm not saying I'm not predicting that I hope. I hope you know the crisis sooner than later but I don't think so. I think it's going to go on for more than six months. Can you said hopefully by fall match predicting at least six months? I'm just hoping by fall because I don't want to teach online classes. Oh and I'm not talking about the corona virus. I'm talking about the economy in general. I don't think it's going to go. I don't think the economy is going to rebound that that that is as well as they. They think it's going to. I think that that the economic crisis is definitely bigger than the two thousand eight crisis and look at the incentives that they have put in place. They've I mean if they weren't intervening with all these bailouts rescues there'd be a strong incentive on everyone's part to get back into normal shape as quickly as possible but now. I don't think you know that's going to be the case because people will say well. T- I can stay home and I can still get the same pay. I don't have to pay on my mortgage governments. Told me told the Bank. You have to put off one my my payments. I mean they know the bill becomes do though right like. Is anyone out there. Really thinking that they're gonNa have to pay a little temporarily temporarily but the fucking bill becomes. Do you have to pay eventually? I bet it's going to be somebody else who pay that. That's the assumption in people's minds that it's not me who's GonNa who's GonNa pay for this? I'm GonNa Take Mile Now. I mean that's the same thing with your hotshot Corporate executive or guy on the bottom line is There assuming that these government programs are to rescue them at somebody else's expense. Okay if that had the the someone else is expensive so invisible so distant down the end they figure. Well you know it. It's not GonNa be me if that's the case isn't the proper incentive than To get as much of what you can now so that you have some for later right like if they're having all this bailout money should not be grasping at as many dollars as you can. If for nothing more then to you know to buy things that hold their value better so when the collapse comes that's why that's why I'm saying you know. Stocks and gold and bitcoin still have a long a long way down possibly go on. That's pretty much. It people are going to be selling out of those to get into the dollar of course okay. There's because there's well there's a lot less economic activity going on and people are still afraid. So they're They're really going to be people trying to get. You know the things that are really valuable and for for example. What is okay? Let's throw that question. What is really valuable? Then if not well not gold silver BITCOIN. Whatever what would what would you move your money into as you know the potential dollar collapses or is the dollar potentially collapses. Well a dollar collapse would be an inflation. A dollar strengthening is deflation. So I still think we're have yet to find the bottom of the market and the absolute value of the dollar. So yeah I think we're we're still potentially have to find out what the bottom is and And that won't happen until until all the you know. Non Essential people are forced to stay home. And maybe maybe they'll get bailed out by the government. You know unemployment insurance or Or just the cash payout know what what the end result is going to be by eventually. Yeah we'll have hyperinflation but you know short term. It's going to be. I think a lot more pain to be seen. So letting the government's perspective The wellbeing of the economy is just the money. Not what you produce true in the economy. So you know. If if they've capacitators the productive sector and just handed everybody more money owed to to to cover your bills. Well I think it. It has to lead to inflation because it will be less and less produced. I'm glad someone finally said it. Thank you that was that was. GonNa be my next question since you know since you since. You're the economics professor right. You have all these people staying at home right you. Factories shut down everything. Shutdown stores shutdown restaurants shutdown. You know all all these non essential people staying at home. That's that's production in the economy right. Then they pump in four to six eight trillion dollars of money into thin air chasing fewer goods. Doesn't that mean prices go up? Yes that's A. I'm sorry that's the theory of money which is so pervasive throughout the history of Of money inflation debasement of currencies. That's what they've always done throughout history. What puzzled me was the last one in the great recession when they ended up Three trillion dollars additional money and and we had so little inflation if you look at where the inflation went it. Went into the stock market went into Bitcoin. But that's not really did go into gold. It they go into other things so housing prices anything the money could go into it. Went into education for sure. So there's there's like dish two things at work here When it comes to like the actual economics of it so it's hard to figure out where the final the final stone will land right. But you have you have the forced closing of of production. So there's less supply of goods overall right at the macro level because who wants to figure out that shit on the micro level But with everyone out of work right doesn't demand go down as well. So shouldn't prices start to fall on the goods that are being that are still in production as demand lessons for those because it's yeah but and of course if the demand is falling because there's less being produced You have less wealth less you know you have a declining economy in other words. You're you're amount of wealth per person is certainly less shirk enjoying a lot less on the personal level right. I mean that's that's everyone going like. Okay we're now you know second world not quite third world maybe country as far as you know wealth is concerned because everyone standard of living is an impact is impacted right. You have less disposable income to go round regardless of what they're doing with the money supply right you know the the the The market will find a way to figure out what the price should be And if all of a sudden there's a whole bunch of money floating around for the same amount of goods or less goods in most areas right. The price will reflect that And there's already people coming out with the twelve hundred dollars going like wow twelve hundred dollars. I guess if you live in Arkansas. That's great but if you live in San Francisco what are you going to buy with that? Like a loaf of bread you know so even in two different train train ticket out of town and go to Arkansas. You would think no the go ahead Ken. The absolute certainty of any inflation and this is a big one is a redistribution of wealth. And almost always goes from. I'd say Lower income people to hiring people but especially to the government because it's people who will lose will people who are on a fixed income or have savings or pension or have loaned their money to somebody else to be paid back in the future time which is savings are and people who count on a money based economy are going to be losing. Because that money's GONNA lose its purchasing power but the people. Who will gain? I mean that that wealth doesn't disappear just transfers to those who are holding A quantity of fixed dire that you that that everyone wants to hold during times of inflation. Gold Land Real Estate Stuff that only wealthy people can afford right now that that's right because they don't need the cash to buy the food clothing and shelter. They have extra money to put aside in things but not the biggest holder of debt of gold of land and Foreign Currencies. That's the government and they print the money and spend it first before the prices go up. It's a tremendous wealth. I mean this is this is what's bizarre the Democrats and Republicans all say. They're out there helping the little man. That's for popularity. You know I in the public opinion. Polls but the actual effect of it is going to be a tremendous transfer wealth from low-income people who are going to lose their jobs and lose their purchasing power and to people who have these assets but the biggest winners the government in every country in the world. They're going to be the end and they're already talking about how they're gonNA use. This do exercise even more power over ready. I mean so I I see this like every war. They say this fighting the variety says is a war yeah and governments always grow enormously during war and they never go back to the level they were before their level of spending control always doubles After the war from what it was before the war. So here's A. Here's a puzzling question. Then because this is this is where there's now a new schism in the in the liberty community. At least here right. How do you affectively protest against this nonsense while remaining safe if you were concerned about the actual health threat next plane plays If you're if you're concerned about the actual health threat the best thing you can do is isolate yourself. I don't believe the six feet separation is GonNa do Jack. It's it's you know we had. We talked to a guy. Today's ago that he's an expert in the predicting the the the models for the transfer the car. Okay and here's explaining how the virus can basically floated around in the air for hours. Okay so a lot of this recommendations for how people should interact in public places is. It's it's it's nonsense. It's faith-based like okay. I mean they have to have to take advice from somebody what to do right and so you could just do whatever the fuck you want right. That's true but they're they're trying to improve their odds sure but I don't know but they don't really understand how it works. How it transmits. Are you know how viral really is so okay? So let let me give two examples. Go ahead finish. That's fine. I was going to make a comparison to the flu. I think eventually everybody's going to get this. Of course if you isolate yourself one hundred percent of the time you won't contract the flu from anybody. Yeah but what fun is. Isn't it For example isn't exposure to disease Helps you build up an immunity down the road example? Yes that's right that's right. That's a big part cultures before they came into contact the Polynesians and the Indians and so on had lots and lots of disease and within their family strain. You know there were people who died at the egg. People died of lots of things but those who survived built greater and greater immunity so then when they encountered a culture that hadn't been exposed to these things the culture ninety percent of the Hawaiians for example were wiped out by disease. And Okay there were ten percent that then survived and now they're okay but I mean are we talking about this. Same kind of phenomena Today that that exposure to the elements is a healthy thing in the long run. If you keep trying to isolate yourself and using your hand sanitizers to prevent yourself from ever having exposure do than just put off time that you're more vulnerable later. So I think the truth about the viruses is that what did you is? Slow it down. So they can increase the amount of of available medicine and ventilators. In case too many people get it at the same time So so if you look at it from. That's the whole flattening the curve phenomenon that everyone keeps yeah. I think it's I think it's I think it's valid but I I don't think is anybody is not going to get this. I think it's going to be around for years and years and the flu. If you'RE GONNA lie I think everybody is going to be exposed to it because this it's it from from what I can see. It's just as Easily transmittable as flu. Or maybe more. So so I don't I don't think anybody's going to completely escape it. But if there's medicines ventilators to help people survive after they get it. That's probably the most important thing. Okay let me go back to your initial I guess clarification can you said explained here in New Hampshire as part of the liberty community right. We're on you Government lockdown whatever that means There's there was a ban on Congregating more than fifty people at a place. I think it's down to like ten people in public now. Excuse me so. That's that's so that's that's my part of the problem with the the six feet in the ten people right. It's completely garbage because if one person can spread it ten people okay. Well then then you see how exponential that goes then those ten people you know maybe goes on and on it. Okay right okay. So but here's the thing in in the two communities the D. Two liberty communities that I find myself most interacting with right one of them is still doing a weekly Sunday gathering you know. Hey we're doing it in in the in central square now in under gazebos Chili and there was only four of us who showed up last week right. But everyone's invited right. Come if you want. Four people chose to attend. It didn't quite violate the law. So there wasn't no concern. Unfortunately right okay and then this Tuesday Coming up is our regular monthly potluck for new movers to the state Normally it's it's a packed room full of people you know. Food is being served and conversations to be had and it was questionable. Are we going to have it this month while the invitation went up like where they're hosting it it's it's on baby And this is where the schism comes into play right because one group of people saying you shouldn't have that event you shouldn't gathering in public. It's dangerous it's unsafe right. But those who don't exercise their rights and liberties find them lost for eternity. So how do we effectively protest against the you know the ten plus person gathering band or the fifty plus person gathering ban by violating the order right? Because that's that's what we do right. We break the law when the laws unjust right where we are free to assemble is free people. Everyone is there voluntarily. So we're allowed to be there But it could be a health risk right someone. There could have the virus unknowingly and spread it to all of us getting us all sick to carry everywhere. We go after that right so so my question. Ken. I'll pose it again for you is. Is there a safe? And effective way to protest against the the encroachment of the State with their bans and restrictions and shutdowns But mitigating the concern for the health aspect of it right. If if it is unsafe like should we? Should we protest at all? And is there safe way to do so. So we don't lose our ability to congregate and gather in the future. Well actually we're in a very fortunate time that we've got the technology that makes it possible for us to do a lot of broad and effective protest digitally so we don't have to actually be president with each other to have a lot of impact. What good is a protest gathering? Fifty people are more if you can't actually doing vise zoo right. I don't know if that counts. Really sure what. Good protests are. I've never been in a protest that has affected anything. So yeah well okay I will stand by my original statement in the only factor protests as a tax protest. Yada Yada Yada However if the government says you can't gather more than ten people and you WanNa give an f you to the government right like now like hell you can tell us how many people could gather aside from withholding your taxes right. I don't think doing a ten person. Zoom really sticks it to the man. I think that case is always the same as long as you got more guns than them. That's the way you want to go out Ken. Well Yeah I. When I think of tyranny I think of of the gross aggressions on and violence against the individual that occurred in the twentieth century. Pervasively These things Telling us we can't have more than ten people gathered together seem pretty tame inconsequential But I think it's I think you're right that you need to keep pushing back or else they keep running with more and more controls though the pushback a can be in a lot of ways I think if you want to affect p Peoples of the broader world's thinking I diminish the effect of ideas and the communication that we have through all the social media now and and publicity think I mean I I I think ideas can be affected by a protest of twenty people out in the in the mall. Then you get a a a media attention for a second and it goes on the national news or something. Yeah okay but I think you can have also affect through The social media and you can do a lot of things that are effective on on people's minds but I think that they won't deal. That's a big deal until later down the road. They they feel that getting arrested going off to the Gulag for well by then it's too late to the government right. That's why you protest. That's why you push back when they when they want to push back that inch But I don't think I don't think you I think in order to put check effectively WanNa push back on things that affect them that though that your broader audience the general population is going to sympathize with. I don't think the idea of of Of The pushback is going to be very. I don't think you're going to get a broad sympathy but I think you could get a sympathy more on on something That pulls the heartstrings. More while the rod sympathy is what makes this whole corona virus scenario. So insidious right is because there's only a handful of people that see this as a small encroachment leading towards something bigger right and ninety. Nine percent of the population goes like bill. The government's going doing the right thing because we want to compete. We ought to be safe. We WANNA be safe. Want to be healthy distinct. This thing is a killer of what ninety seven percent of the people that had contact with so we must be protected. Thank God the government is stopping you rabble-rousers from going out in public right so this is definitely not something to get public sympathy on but at the same time the government is going to gain so much fucking ground by using this catastrophe because they have ninety nine percent of the public support to encroach on so many liberties so many rights you know the the the economic impact alone is disastrous right. That's the place to get public sympathy. When the government shuts down and people working in a factory producing ventilator. Then you say well look. This is where the market actually You know actually resolve this problem for people on your your criminal outing Good behavior you know the behavior. That's that's contributing to society and not just the production of that but the the the grocery store that is trying to bring food into people in other words. If you could take the case. You're trying to find the case builds popular support. You can effectively push back against the government and then the case that That has a good strong countermeasure because there are plenty of them out there where the government does things that are so stupid. That are counterproductive. I true but what's the answer? In this case I guess to nail you down on the specific question. Yeah right do we lose this better? The battleground we just lose the corona could not assign that common shirt loss liberties inflated currency. But what are you GONNA do? Ninety nine percent of the people wanted it. I'm with this. One is that is is the invisible and we are always talking about the the virtues of the visible and we'll hear the invisible threat You don't know if the virus well maybe you need to Allow everybody to do testing so they can say I don't have it. Look I've I've tested. I bought this Testing device from From from the Medical Center and I contest myself and Some other company produced testing in other words. You WanNa make these invisible threat visible so that then. It's no longer the boogeyman so one of one of the solutions. I've saw thrown about at still gave me pause. Right was some sort of like Quarantine clearance passport right. You get special government papers that says you've been through quarantine you're clear to the virus and you with your special documentation are now allowed to travel. Can we actually you laugh CERTA? It seems silly because you you might not have the virus in you but you could have it on you. You know I mean you you know. Maybe it's in your clothing or something like that. Sure how do they? How do they give that kind of certification? I don't know why but you. You sort brought it up you said. I've proved that you've done some testing and that you don't have it. They're already calling for something similar. You tell me because to me. I don't know here's the thing to me again. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA use the word insidious again. it's insidious because number one. Anyone can be a carrier without showing symptoms so every person you interact with is a potential threat right. You don't know if they've been tested you don't know if they've been tested cleared and our carrier you don't know if they're infected and our carrier right you don't know if they're infected and not showing symptoms You don't know anything about anyone. You encounter right so as far as locked down all clear you know get tested right like you said even if you if you get tested. You're clear you walk up to a doorknob. You touch the doorknob. All of a sudden the viruses on your end you're not gonNA get infected But now you're a carrier right so just because you're not infected you you fought it off and beat the disease doesn't mean you still can't pass it absolutely. I mean it It so no one is safe in the world ever again. I MAY NOT BE WORRIED ABOUT MYSELF. Getting the infection. But you know people don't want to spread it on boo their loved ones and people that they are their friends. Which means you have to stay away from your friends indefinitely forever and ever right. It's the end of all all all communal organizations. 'cause you just never know. Yeah this is a Birdie. Insidious downside at the it's always. It's been there we've made there have been diseases around The could have affected people. I think there were a lot. There were some that were much scarier. Like Ebola was a much scarier disease than the corona virus is because it was evident when you had it right when you got it very clear and it was a very horrendous suffering filled painful death and the the the chances of dying were I guess fairly early high because they didn't have any kind of remedy to it right but that's again. That's what I'm saying that that was that was very open very clear. You know not going near that dude because they look they're about to die whereas the corona virus you walk you know again personal example ads lately lady came into my facility. Today she came into the office she said. Can I come up to the counter? I go do whatever you want. She goes I'm not sick. Don't wear my I wasn't as we said. Come up to the counter right but she could have easily been a carrier. She didn't look like she was dying right. She didn't look like she was anything specific. She didn't look like she was exhibiting symptoms. But maybe she just got it yesterday right now. She carried it into the office today right two weeks from now. Who knows what's going to wear her life will take her But all I know is today. She infected me right. Potentially right. Who knows and you won't know for for at least two weeks in advance. So every time you interact with a single person you have to self quarantine for one week for two weeks and then once you two weeks or clears like dope not symptomatic all clear health then he can go interact with one other person you know. See what happens this ridiculous hyperbolic scenario the course of of a normal Popular Fatigue and fatigue for example. The war was on his mind Afghanistan when it first broke out and we talked about it a lot for months then after a couple of months it went on for years and nobody ever talks about it. Maybe the the second thing will happen that The public attention span will get exhausted with the topic. People get tired of talking about it and they'll start talking about other things and and then it will go ahead and run. Its course but re really be getting. What's that well no? I think it's going to run. Its course and I've said that Times it's just a matter of how much medication and ventilators we have and and keeping people alive So that that could be over in a few months Louis. More personally about is is more economic things no humanity. Mc always we're always focused as opposed to the human aspect of the Josh juris crisis people now being hyperbolic on money people depend on money and Ken said we're we're going? We're going to go through a period of massive wealth. Redistribution and I think most people are GonNa be unhappy about it. They already are right. Like you know they. They don't even know yet it has. It hasn't even set in yet. It's okay like when you when you start seeing posing houses song or half off what they were in the previous year. Then you're gonNA start seeing the people know the the pro trump people that are gonna turn anti-trump and stuff like that okay. Yeah it's interesting this this whole rescue package. It's filled with these problems. Make it look at our reach X. Payer and all that that's that sounds so great But the really big bucks are going to really big players in the game and be there there. You know it'll be the airline and shipping companies and so on will get or the bank's whatever we'll get enormous From this sort of thing I think every crisis like this. They've gotTa have the crumbs to keep the populous thinking that they're being protected by this and then Those power take the greatest advantage of these things and they get by with it are the crumbs big enough because I see a lot of pushback to that. Twelve hundred dollar number and a lot of it is in comparison to what other countries are doing right like. Oh America you only get twelve hundred bucks in our beautiful Canada right. They're paying us. Eighty percent of our of our regular wage just just to keep everyone paid and his because Canadians. We know that it. You know. You can't survive off just you know. Twelve hundred dollars so we. We're getting a lot more or in France or Russia. Whatever they they're paying every one of a larger cemented it keeps going and everything is taken care of. Just for them You silly Americans with your capitalist system only giving twelve hundred dollars just just crumbs to the people so I should should more be done well. I don't know how much should be done. I just I just care about. If they're going to get money they should give it to everybody equally on another totally separate think about this in perspective if we recovered from the last banking crisis or economic crisis. Whatever you WANNA call it Iceland. One of the things they did was arrested. The bankers and You know not pay not pay the debt So then they recovered the quickest. They were among the first to recover from economic problems. Twelve hundred dollars. An all debt is wiped out. Then right what were you all? Can the Spanish flu was far far worse than this will ever be? I think it was very sensitive to call it the Spanish flu. If we can't call this the Chinese okay but then two years later we had the beginning of the roaring twenty eight of the unparalleled economic prosperity in the country. So maybe that's something to give encouragement that that despite all dark thanks might be at the moment. Human beings are very resilient and pop back and say one. Nice thing about the government's heavier at the end roller one as bad as it was to do world. War One Soon let's Wilson was out thank goodness The the new administration came in and actually cut taxes and it was Andrew Mellon Secretary of the Treasury engineered a huge tax cut. That was probably the biggest boost to economic activity in the in the country from the roaring twenties. So I'm saying that that governments made new great thing and accidentally Latian the marketplace. Yeah accidentally But the general marketplace and human being striving to improve their condition Can do remarkable things The the economy. So I'm I'm optimistic about the ability to get out of the mess that that'll be an interesting thing right it the people who are stuck at home staying at home safe at home right. I hate that. That's bullshit right. You're not stuck at home. You're safe at home if I'm not allowed to leave I'm stuck. I might be safe. I'm also fucking stuck right unless I'm allowed to leave and choose to stay. I'm stuck so I hate that. Say you know you're not you're stuck you're safe What are those people doing you know? And and at what point do they get bored of whatever it is? They're doing right you're outta work. You can't do anything. No one's hiring. This job freezes everywhere right and much much like the the Compare this to like the the homeschooling schooling thing for Mitt. You know the the first couple of weeks When a kid doesn't have to go to school right there's a lot of fucking TV watching a lot of video game play and as they like test the boundaries of how much they can actually not do Because they associate you know everything with school right now. I don't if I'm if I'm not in school. played video games right. How much of that for productive people where they go like well? I can't go to work. I'm getting my stimulus check. You know I don't have to do anything so I'm just I'm just lounging on this is a. This is a vacation right. At what point do they get out of vacation mode and go? I Holy Shit I gotta I gotTa find some way to make money and then what will be the The entrepreneurial and enterprising endeavors that spark From the creative minds of those two board to do nothing while sitting at home and are they setting themselves up for that boom cycle Coming OUT OF THIS KEN. Mc I duNno nicer. And what's it's a serious question you know so when I broke my leg right it dawned on me after the fact right like I sat around for for two months in playing video games and watching movies and just generally being unproductive right Do all the while rehabbing my physical you know ailment So that I could strap on a brace and get back to work right. I I was trying to get back to work as soon as possible. for me the recovery was physical right However after going back to work I went shit. I miss an opportunity right. I could have used that time of doing you. Know Fuck Doll While sitting home and I could have gotten my real estate license right. I'm not a big Fan of licenses but could've study for that right. I've got way too many friends at real estate Could you know could learn a trade? You know stuck could have done a whole bunch of things Chose not to because for me the end in sight was just get back to work right like I you know. I worked at a restaurant doing the moving company. Let me just get back to that right. Didn't didn't think about changing careers. Didn't think about starting a new thing at the time But for the people stuck now right if this is a long term thing we're looking at fault or beyond right. You're not going to get back to whatever job you had any time soon. You'RE GONNA have to start getting creative on how to make money and how to make ends meet and by the basic necessities because twelve hundred bucks isn't GonNa go very far. Everyone agrees on that So yeah wouldn't wouldn't now be the time to expand your education. You know your educational horizons your your work skills so that you are valuable in whatever. Economy exists after the fact. Well maybe. That's why a lot of my students are still taking these classes online. Don't it's not ideal but yeah. I think that they're hoping that there's going to be an afterwards. And we'LL BELA. They'll have a degree that That's enough for a better career or something but will be worth anything like we`ll. Those degrees carries much weight. Because right now again. Everyone's like look at all these people with their degrees sitting at home. And it's it's a ditch the blue collar the minimum wage the least valuable members of society. Keeping this whole fucking thing afloat. The delivery drivers you know the Pizza Burger Flippers. You didn't want to pay them fifteen dollars hour. Look you're dependent upon them so we're always dependent upon them that's why they exist but now but now they're more valuable while the people you know the big bucks the white collar the degree holders sitting in the upper on this. There's going to be a whole bunch of people that were in in positions that weren't valuable that are now going to want to be delivery drivers and so the value of the delivery driver will go down I mean again. The the the utility of the delivery driver is very useful. But anybody can do it. Yeah loss just ten percent of population. That can't I'm in that ten percent only because I don't have the required government paperwork to do you have the IQ points do points. I'll do the gray market. Can any thoughts on that note? No final thoughts to both you. Then we're wrapping up already for the apocalypse. Say That again because you kind of cut out a little bit pre prepare for the prepare for the all. It's coming. Ken No economic one. 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They're standing in when suddenly a Zombie appears then a warning that they need to reach a safe house or they'll be eaten alive with that they face a series of locked doors and to open them an escape. The dead's grasp they need to answer series of vocabulary questions. Wait what this is. An augmented reality game about zombies. Yes but it's also a language arts lesson for middle school students. This session was part of the steaming. It Up Conference and Northern Illinois University. And if you don't know what augmented or virtual reality means or what the differences. Here's a breakdown. Virtual reality is when you put on a headset or glasses that drops you into a new. Three dimensional world. Augmented reality is when a device or APP alters your perception of your world think of the Popular Mobile Game Pokemon go where the pocket monsters. You WanNA catch pop up on your phone screen scamper across your yard or wherever your phone cameras pointed help. Renison is an undergraduate researcher. And I you helped present on a are. It's sometimes difficult to think of uses technology. Besides like Oh that's cool especially education like what are students actually gaining from seeing the ocean? I like what can we measure about? What can we create? That question is the crux of this conference. Stacey Oh Daniel teaches business education and technology at Genoa Kingston High School. This is her first year in the classroom after years as an education administrator in the private sector. Oh Daniel No. She has some catching up to do. Especially when it comes to new technology and she hopes conferences like this one can help learn more to keep up with her students she also attended another a RV our workshop in the fall. I took it back to my students and they taught me. They like to research what was out there. And they brought those applications back to me. And that's how we move forward with it so it really was a student led project. She first started integrating the A. R. v. Our lessons with her school's Computer Club so they really like the science ones where they can look at the human body and focus in on different parts and see what each part does and how it relates to another part just being introduced to the concepts and platforms is useful especially as a are and VR become more mainstream and while Genoa Kingston high school students explore that surgeons at Stanford University Medical Center use three D models in VR to simulate surgeries they can use images from their actual patient to map their strategy before they even break any skin. The education system has to change and we have to meet these kids were there at for example the Ar Vr kids are learning through this. And we're meeting them where their skill sets are instead of trying to to put them in our box but collaboration isn't limited to conferences. It's also online. How Brinson says metaverse? The augmented reality APP teachers were using is a great example. Another reason we chose metaverse. It already has an existing online teacher community so you can look at me and paralysis through different games. Matthew Sweat is an undergraduate researcher. Studying applied mathematics. It and you in another session. He gave educators the basics of unity. It's a software. Engine used to build video games defying to go through it a bit so that you're not completely overwhelming. Sweat built a makeshift catapult in the software. Three D space. Then he dropped a weight on it and launches a ball across the screen. The software gives you the tools to learn how to build video games with little to no coding experience. Luckily like metaverse. There's an online ecosystem in place to help you learn. Students and teachers can find step by step tutorials quick recipes for simple games as a high school student if you had ended need this software a bunch of videos and this is how like the Games are made even needed a classroom setting and Stacey O. Daniel hopes to inspire that kind of curiosity when she takes the tools back to her classroom for the next generation of programmers engineers and artists. I'm Peter Muddling there's early voting. Illinois's primary begins next month. The state's automatic voter registration. System is under scrutiny. Elected officials from both parties. Say They want answers as to how more than five hundred non. Us citizens were registered. Matt Dietrich a spokesman for the State Board of elections says only a small portion of them actually voted. There were only a total of nineteen ballots. Cast over three different elections by these sixteen individuals. You have certain individuals who voted in multiple elections secretary of State Jesse White and his office taken full responsibility for the error. Say the glitch has been resolved automatic. Voter registration is available. When people get a driver's license or state ide- some Republicans have called for suspending automatic registration until more details emerge Democrats are planning a legislative hearing. Find out what went wrong and what can be done to prevent it from happening again. Listeners may have heard some of our series on Illinois students being sent out of states many for behavior modification programs one response we got was for Marcus Chatfield. He's currently working toward his PhD. At the University of Florida he studied total listrik programs for teens and he spoke with our education. Reporter Dusty Rhodes. I have been interested in this topic since the nineteen eighties when I was placed in straight incorporated as a teenager straight INC was a massive drug treatment program. That operative forty three centers across eighteen states until Nineteen ninety-three. That's when it shut down facing investigations. Documenting abuse and multimillion dollar judgments and several lawsuits are experimented with marijuana as a teenager and I was having trouble at school and the program trained me to believe that I uh the disease of chemical dependency and trained me to believe that the other kids in the program had disease to needed to be treated as well and I believe it was treatment at the time but now looking back I see. It wasn't treatment in any sense of the term straight operated and warehouses and used marathon rap. Sessions divorced residents to confront each other about drug. Use chatfield reconnected with some of his peers. As an adult thousand four I discovered online. There was a lot of discussion from people who were in straight and people who are and I Dunno hundreds of different programs and there was a lot of people that have a similar experience to me is a graduate student at the University of Florida to steady their experiences for his thesis. He distributed a survey to adults who had experienced therapeutic boarding schools residential treatment centers end wilderness programs and sorted their responses into two groups based on whether they rated their experience is good or bad even interviewed. Fifteen from each group. And you know I worked to give a balanced representation and I can tell you that. Some of the feedback I've received is that it's biased with a positive slant because in my ample the vast majority of people who completed this questionnaire how to really negative experience and in order to represent you know the more positive perspectives. I ended up interviewing every single person. Who had a positive experience but because the vast majority had a more negative experience? I did a random sampling from people who had a more negative experience. I did notice that. If it's like to get fifteen in the highly positive group and fifteen and a low opinion group you had to take all comers for the high quality and just a random sample of the vast majority Yeah I was struck by the fact that some of the people who found it beneficial were conflicted about that. Can you give me remind me an example of that? There were several adults who after they got out of treatment. Their substance abuse got worse or addictions got worse. Their lives really went downhill but now looking back on the program they even though it was hard even though some of them described it as abusive their strongest feeling or the most prominent feeling was that they were trying to help or that. It did plant seeds that eventually we're beneficial even if it was twenty years after the fact that a state license is no guarantee of the quality of a program right a lot of the programs that were representative of my study. Most of them were state. Licensed do you see any common pattern? Among places that have more positive outcomes versus places that that don't I mean. Do you have any way of telling parents or school? Districts look for these signs avoids those signs well. I did a statistical analysis of my sampling data. And it's not in my thesis but I've submitted it to journal. It's under review. But the strongest predictor of low quality of experience is the total listrik nature of the program. So the more total Listrik the program. The lower the quality of experience total listrik programs are designed to change the whole person to do that. They control all communication imposes strict system rules punishments in provide a ladder privileges to inspire teenagers to conform. They also harness the power of peer pressure. Often using group sessions in which teens are encouraged to confront each other many programs use these methods although they referred to them by different names and started did not look at. You know I didn't explore well. What program is the best? I didn't do it like that but what I can say is that when I analyze do sampling data the more total listrik program to lower the quality of experience but that's by individual that's not making generalized clan. It's just in my sample. That's what was reported. Did you take your survey. Did you come out with a score for your experience? No I didn't I didn't I didn't that's funny. I didn't do it myself. No well if you had to Ballpark. Where do you think he will fall I don't know I have such a complicated relationship with my program experience because on the one hand I'm grateful for it because it really opened my eyes to so many you know really important issues like it helped me to communicate but on the other hand. It's almost inappropriate to feel gratitude for the program that I was in because so many young people were destroyed by the treatment design. I mean right now. I can count thirteen peers. Who have committed suicide and most of them committed suicide in the first few years after getting out. And you know you could say well. These kids had problems so there are more likely to commit suicide anyhow. But that's not really true like the program I was in. The parents were expected to recruit families into the program so it wasn't just that these kids all were so messed up that there were predisposed to suicide. It's that you know by today's standards. It was literally torture. Was The intentional infliction of physical and emotional pain in order to produce a response. Well take the number thirteen out of how many peers straight with a big program. So I don't know how many peers I had over that sixteen long period of time we've been in the hundreds but I'm not in touch with all of them by any means so just through the grapevine. I've heard of thirteen suicides just to the kids that I knew and that's just suicide. That doesn't even include. You know all the other forms of harm with that with something that harmful. It's like it's not appropriate to few grateful for it or to really describe it in positive terms for me. Personally it's because I explored it asked people and I learned about the harm. I mean if I hadn't done that I would probably feel comfortable saying yeah. It was treatment. You know I'm I'm I even believe was effective treatment if I had stayed insulated from the amount of harm because they was Marcus. Chatfield speaking with our education. Reporter Dusty Rhodes you can find out more information about his research and a link to his thesis. That's at our website. Statewide show dot com starved. Rock State Park is one of the most popular hiking destinations in the country. With two and a half million visitors last year but high volumes of people and erosion led to heavy wear and tear on the park scenic trails and canyons a new fundraising effort for the love of starved. Rock is raising money to preserve the park for future generations. Ab TRIMBLE IS THE PRESIDENT OF STARVED. Rock Lodge and Conference Center. It's getting more and more difficult for the state to provide all of the funding for those trail improvements and so a group of US got together and decided that we would try to raise money in conjunction with the state to Get these trails fix. The first project is building a trail. 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Call today eight hundred seven four five thirty three twenty seven eight hundred seven four five thirty three twenty seven this statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford ahead. There's a belief that people here in the Midwest are nicer than in some other parts of the country that is mid West. Nice really thing. We'll hear more and the first year. Illinois farmers could legally grow hemp showed. It may take some time to get the hang of it those stories and more still on the way this month. Women's marches were held across the country including here in Illinois Rockford held its fourth the rally in March. Were cut a little shorter because of the bitter cold but the message of unity was stronger than ever and reporters. From W N I J were there we start with this report from Connie coons. Cold temperatures didn't stop diverse crowd of marchers at women's March Rockford. More than two hundred people gathered to express themselves support each other and peacefully. March Jennifer stunk. Hell sign that. Said voting is my superpower and I feel like voting is by superpower all of our superpowers. And so that's my sign and that's why I'm here today is that I want to represent and remind everybody that if we don't like where the world is. Today we can vote. We can make a difference. Men showed up to including Berry. Champion arm your to support the women's March and everyone's rights for Equality People. Kind of just know me as loving everybody. I've been to probably all the women marches since they've started as well as other women's rights sort of marches as well four generations of marchers. Were there Jerry Hood? Was there with her granddaughters. This is London and this is Paris. I'm just here to make sure that everybody is accounted for and to teach my granddaughters. We can help people. My degree is in human services so this is kind of like what I've always been into because I fought through so many cracks myself. It's very important that we get more attention focused on women's rights. It's important for me and then for them growing up too and Melody Pearson has been marching for decades. I'm here because I've been marching for right since the nineteen seventies and we still donor equal dollar for equal jobs. There just a lot of reasons for us to be respected. I respect men. They're men I love and I don't want to take anything away from them but I would like to share the world that they're in and have them share the good parts of our world. I'm Connie coons indicted season Stevens. Hello Women's March Rockford skied. Yugoslavia kicked off the first round of speeches. This year's theme is intersection up. On the outdoor stage in downtown Rockford the lineup of speakers looked a lot like the audience and not just because they were bundled in scarves and heavy coats. They were people who knew discrimination firsthand. And in many cases their labels overlapped or intersected uncommitted Parham read a message from Winnebago County Clerk Tiana McCall challenging the crowd to keep advocating for policies that support women and not just some women's rights all women's rights women women of Color Muslim women immigrant women women all across the gender identity spectrum incarcerated women any and all disenfranchised women again. I repeat all women earn comes my way. I wake up in the morning and I'm ready. Are you ready? Rhonda Greer is President of Iraq for chapter of the NWC P. She says she's ready to continue. Fighting for women's rights and getting people out to vote Stanford your purpose stamper your beliefs stamp with the people that you love stamp or your community congresswoman. Sherry boost told the crowd. There works not finished. They need to help. Make sure everyone is counted in this year. Census and on this one hundredth anniversary of women's suffrage. They must use their superpower. The right to vote. You've got to use every single day and be inspired by what this nation needs to be and all it can be and with that boost in the rest of the marchers lined up behind an eight year old named Liliana and hit the streets. I'm Suzanne Stevens a member station. Wbz produces a regular series called curious. City it takes questions from listeners and investigates to find an answer this week curious cities Andrew Mirror weather tracks down the origins of the term Midwest. Nice curious listener shining. Li Lives was twelve housemates and Hyde Park and went the dishes pile up in the sink. China just bluntly ask people to clean up their mess. But she says Oliver housemates are so direct especially those from the Midwest. My House may growth this Sign and put it above the sink and it says hey. Did you know that if sponges are left like soaking they'll develop germs and be stinky? Oh No it was like and there was going to be like a little sponge and it had like a smiley face. I'm like running around with China's describing reflects a common stereotype about midwesterners that they're just plain nicer and maybe a little more passive aggressive than the rest of the country. It's called Midwest Nice shining is a Chinese immigrant who grew up on the east coast and moved to the Mid West the nine and even at that young age she noticed that people acted differently and Delaware like you go to grocery store and like no one talked to you and then I moved to Ohio and people wave at each other on the street and it just felt more welcoming but as she got older she had this nagging feeling that it was all an act so shining ask curiosity to investigate whether Midwest Nice was actually real or just made up stereotype if you haven't heard of mid West Nice. Maybe you've heard of Minnesota Nice. It's basically the same thing you may have seen it in movies like in this scene from. Fargo where marge played by Frances mcdormand ever so kindly tells a man not to sit next to her no. Why don't you sit over there? I prefer that sorry just like in C. You don't have to turn my neck or take the church lady from Saturday night. Live who has a very mid Western response to think she finds unpleasant bash. Obviously this is a huge generalization about millions of people. But I learned that there's evidence Midwest Nice Israel and stems from how the region settled and today it raises important questions about racism and inclusion in the Midwest. I'll get all that in a minute. But first we need a working definition so I reached out to someone who's thought and written about it journalists and I would native Paul Kicks. Here's how defined mid western Nice. Is this understanding that you should be kind to people regardless of the circumstance and that you should suppress any urge to speak ill of anybody. He says it doesn't mean that mid Westerners don't have negative feelings or thoughts they just don't express them directly but they do communicate them with a kind of code subtle. Sounds I rolls and Long Silences. Like his mum back when kicks was in college and decided to grow his hair out. This is what she said. Oh that was it with just one sound Paul understood. She hated it. But I mean this is still anecdotal. It's not the kind of thing anyone has dared on right. Yeah it'd be based on the data that we have for approximately one point five million people It would appear as it is real so there is data. That's Jason Renfro psychologist at Cambridge University and twenty thirteen. He and his colleagues crunch data from personality surveys. They found three distinct personality. Profiles each associated with the region. One of them was the midwest which lay friendly conventional which was marked by high levels of extroversion agreed on this conscientiousness and low levels of neuroticism and very low levels of openness so mid Westerners are extroverted agreeable but not open renfro explained it this way so high in extroversion and low and openness would be somebody who's very sociable talkative but maybe isn't particularly Curious or Are Open to new ideas now. Remember that this is an overall trend. Certain places such as big cities like Chicago and many individual. People won't conform but still this idea of Midwest. Nice this outward. Friendliness but internal close mindedness is more common here than in other regions so Midwest. Nice is kind of a thing. But how did Westerners get to be this way? Historian John Locke has a theory. He says it comes from the late. Eighteen hundreds and when the midwest was settled by farmers well one of the things that is a key component of agrarian society is a high level of cooperation or what the historians call mutuality or to put it in plain. English having a barn raising culture. Have you ever tried to raise a barn? Yeah me neither but I bet it's pretty darn hard to do by yourself or with a bunch of jerks for that matter. So being nice was Keith. But he says there's more to it than that niceness also helped people get along and diverse region in fact the most diverse region in the country. Now they weren't racially diverse but unlike earlier settlement on the East Coast where people clumped by national origin or religion. Midwestern communities brought together people from lots of different places. They came from the South the Northeast as well as Ireland Germany Scandinavia. So you had all these different languages. Cultures Religions in the same place and at the time those differences really mattered so to get along it helps to be nice and friendly but not too inquisitive or critical if there was a disagreement a mid Westerner. Wouldn't say you're wrong instead. They might say something indirect like Fast Shaw but over time those differences became less important and today most of the descendants of those early settlers are considered white Americans and this brings us back to question asker shining experience in Ohio. She was a first generation Chinese immigrant and a predominantly white suburb. And she said people seemed welcoming but you can never tell if it was genuine. Was that partly due to racism. Dr Sue `have-a-go says yes. She studied the experience of Latin x immigrants and Lafayette Indiana for her book. Latino heartland the white families in the neighborhood of the mid Western families wouldn't outright be negative towards them and somewhat even wave and say. Hi You know how you doing Or welcome them but there was almost like a superficial home to that Vega says that some of these people simply didn't know how to behave around people from different cultures but they had the sense of. I'm uncomfortable while your presence. I'm afraid of what I might say. I I'm uncomfortable with your presence. Because you're different and I think that plays into the mid western Nice Because people want to be nice but there's also a lot of awkwardness when it has to do with race politics and that squares with what Jason Renfro found in his research on the Mid West agreeable but not open minded and instead of acknowledging their awkwardness. Mid Westerners are just well polite and that can provide a kind of cloak and in some cases even racism but Vega doesn't think the mid West has to stay this way. We want to embrace our differences embrace the fact that we're not all comfortable with each other and then move forward in that conversation by then keep avoiding it because it's not comfortable of course to do that would require a confronting discomfort and maybe even being a little more open and direct like shining in other words redefining. Midwest Nice now. Wouldn't that be special tree? City is supported by the code at Family Foundation. I'm Andrew Meriwether. I don't WanNa turn curious city as a production of member station. Wbz Many farmers are wrapping up their first year of growing hemp. The two thousand eighteen farm. Bill legalized the crop. But left regulation up to the states while nearly all states allowed it there have been a variety of approaches to the rollout of hemp here in the Midwest and Cronin with harvests. Public media has been talking to some Illinois hemp farmers. She has this report. The building at the Illinois State fairgrounds was buzzing May December as the twenty nineteen Hemp Summit Got Underway Illinois Department of Agriculture. Jeff Cox welcomes the crowd of more than seven hundred including hemp growers processors scientists and really anyone interested in the crop Cox. The bureau chief of Medicinal Plants and helped put on the summit. He says the point was to bring everyone together to talk about how the first year of hemp farming went. There's a lack of expertise Just a general lack of knowledge as to how to grow hemp the best way and we wanted to bring everybody to the same room so that they understood that everybody struggled. He says you're one was undoubtedly turbulent kind of a good way to start in a way And that that's about as bad as it can get a knock on wood. Farmers generally agree. It was tough for many different reasons for one. There are a lot of regulations associated with growing hemp. And that's because hemp is derived from the same plant as marijuana the cannabis. Sediba plant but hemp and marijuana are more like cousins hemp has much less tetrahydrocannabinol or THC which gives marijuana it's psychoactive effect so to grow hemp. You need to apply for a specific license and then be sure that your crop stays under point three percent. Thc If it's over that legal limit your crop will be destroyed ten thousand or thirty south stocks on seeds depending on me about the Charles Brown grows hemp in Virginia Illinois. We caught up a couple of weeks after the summit which he attended in part to learn how to properly test his crop to avoid so-called hot him. He says he was Lucky. This year and that none of us hemp was over that legal. Thc lament but once he harvested it. He said it had nowhere to go far thousand pounds of biomass by taking epochal stall garage. He says he also went to the summit to meat processors who are licensed to take the hemp off his hands and prepare it for the consumer. He couldn't find anyone. The issue is common among hemp farmers according to the Illinois Department of Agriculture this year. Six hundred and forty-four growers licenses were issued but fewer than two hundred were licensed to process the crop. That's leaving many growers with nowhere. To turn. Once they've harvested other farmers came out just to be able to talk about helping the open. Jared April Peyton grow in Wayne City Illinois Ano- generation of farmers here him and they just think marijuana. I think all the the bad things that come along with that interested in in learning anymore about it you tell them. It's not pot I so well it is. It's the same thing they see. There's a stigma against growing it. And that's made it hard for them to find others to talk to and collaborate with despite the tough year Jeff Cox says he hopes farmers stick with it he says with corn and soybean prices lower than they once were growing up in Illinois helps the state diversify its cash crops. I received several dozen emails. Probably from folks that said my crops was a bust this year. But I'm doing it again next year. Which is what we want to hear. According to New Frontier data a research firm focusing on the cannabis industry in two thousand eighteen sales for hemp based products in the US totaled about one point. One billion dollars that's expected to double by twenty twenty two cock says we won't know exactly how much hemp was grown in Illinois for a few more weeks but either way. He says he's already planning next. Year's Hem Summit Dana Cronin Harvest Public Media Illinois Governor Jay. Pritzker signed the law. This week aimed at bringing more young people into the civic conversation. As Mike Smith explains highschoolers of legal age to vote. We'll be able to take two hours out of their school day to cast their ballot. Thanks to a new law governor. Jay pritzker praised the efforts of both students and elected officials. Who made it possible saying they recognized how important it is not only to vote but to make the act of voting as accessible as possible for all who can vote. School still maintain control over which our students are allowed to be absent to vote. The law takes effect this summer after the primary election. I'm Mike Smith you're listening to statewide. Oliver episodes can be found at statewide. Show dot com with links to the stories. You hear each week so check it out and stay with us. More of this episode is on the way Dick Dick Dick dish. Tv is better than cable TV. Why because you can save forty five percent on packages compared to your high price? Cable Bill while take those giants scissors out and cut the cable and save with dish TV. 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Just ahead a conversation with an Illinois professor about the history of lgbtq individuals in American governments devender Pritzker in various state elected officials wish soldiers of the Illinois. National Guard safety and success during their deployments earlier this week in Carbondale from member station W. SL Amelia Blakely has more silence and buzzing of the arena. Lights were the only sounds in the band terrorist center as four hundred soldiers part of the second one hundred Thirtieth Infantry Battalion walked in for the deployment ceremony but behind the silence and the soldiers were two thousand people including families and veterans hoping all of these four hundred soldiers come home safely. Alleanza Vietnam vet says. This deployment was much different than his when he was deployed to Vietnam while stationed in Germany. Only like this. We got on the plane and flew. Unc says he didn't know anyone being deployed but in the military. That doesn't matter below the American Legion. I'm on the honor guard and I hope I don't have to bury these guys when they come back. Unc says the are honoring themselves. I'm familiar blakely University of Illinois Springfield political science professor. Jason Pearson's Encyclopedia of Lgbtq Americans. In the political system was recently released he talked with our reporter. Maureen mckinney about the two volume edition and recent roadblocks faced by the community. When I was in graduate school the Movement for same sex marriage was just starting to form and there are a Lotta interesting court. Cases and I primarily studied public law and the courts and so I- focused on that issue and that turned into a broader research agenda on lgbtq lawn politics. What made you decide to do the encyclopedia? I was approached by the publisher to edit the encyclopedia and I thought about it a lot. Because it was a major project We'll have a lot of work but I realized that would be a good resource for Educational Institutions Universities Colleges High Schools to offer students resource and the general public resource on the history of eligible. Tq rights movement various prominent activists and elected officials court cases organization. So I thought there was a need for a resource like this. There had been some similar resources but there have been out of date so this was a chance to bring things up to date and have a resource that would be useful for a lot of folks. What would you say are some of the most interesting or important pieces of information? One of the most important parts of the work is that it highlights elected officials before Harvey Milk. That were elected. He's often seen as the first but he's not the first openly. Lgbtq person to be elected to public office there were two women that were elected in. Nineteen seventy four three years before he was elected Kathy coach and Elaine Noble so they're profiled as well as unsuccessful candidates who ran much earlier than the even they did in nineteen sixty one for Jose. Sarah is the first known openly. Lgbtq person to run for office in the United States and he ran for the Board of Supervisors in San Francisco. He lost but he finished well enough in a citywide race that it put the issue. Lgbtq curates more on the agenda and it's shoulder those voting clout in San Francisco from the Q. Community in that. That said the stage for Harvey Milk's success in the nineteen seventies about a decade later. Dick and a half later. Tell us a little bit more about Harvey Milk. In case realis- nurse aren't familiar. Absolute Harvey Milk was one of the first. Lgbtq folks elected to public office. He was elected to the Board of supervisors the same legislative body. That is the city council essentially of San Francisco. That Jose sorry ran for nine hundred sixty one harvey I ran in nineteen seventy-three loss Michigan. I can seventy five also ran for the state legislature. Nineteen seventy six lost that race but eventually won the board of Supervisors Race in seventy seven. And during that time he became probably most visible national L. To btcu right's leader. He was very active in the pushback to the religious right resistance to lgbtq writes that was rising as reflected by the Miami Dade Ordinance Repeal in nineteen seventy seven Anita Bryant spearheaded a law in Miami County that protected from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation that was enacted by the local government who was repealed in a popular reference and and their their religious right by the late. Seventies was increasingly using these papa referenda to undo advances. Lgbtq rights harvey milk was a part of Trying to oppose that opposition Batikhi writes in fact he famously was involved in a similar initiative in California that was defeated given his leadership. So I think he's important because he was one of the first not the first but one of the first openly. Lgbtq officials but he also had a national profile and had a unique brand of politics. That was a reflection I think of the new left progressivism the nineteen seventy S. He was very much. Focus on the grass roots. He didn't like insider politics and he really fought in some ways the insider politics of emerging gay democratic establishment of the time and there were some huge vice between he and other. Lgbtq activists over that and in fact they actually ran a candidate against him In some in at least one election so he has unique brand of politics and that he was very focused on intersection. -ality working with other groups in San Francisco finding coalitions at the grassroots level and really focusing on the raptors politics made him a unique transitional political figure in the nineteen seventies and then he was assassinated tragically a year later and that became an entire political issue itself because the person who assassinated him got a very lenient sentence and most scholars attribute that to the homophobia of Ero. What about the women you mentioned who were elected before him? What did they run for and get elected to yes kathy. Because the ching-kuo she was a student at the University of Michigan when she ran for the Ann Arbor City Council and she was elected. She was a member of this local Socialist Party. She's a radical student at the time and had very radical Marxists perspective politics. She ran on student issues. Affordable housing things like that and was elected in somebody's out of the blue but it was. It was notable for being the first. There were a couple of other city council members in the city. Who had come out after the election earlier so she joins him other out. Open up people on the city council but she was the first openly. Lgbtq person to be elected in the United States and that was in nineteen seventy four. A few months later Elaine. Noble was elected to the Massachusetts legislature from a district in the Boston area and she had been in obt rights activists locally in Boston had had a radio show and was involved in local. Lgbtq rights organizations and women's Rights Organization. So she'd been an activist and she was put more plugged into. Lgbtq politics at the time then Catholicos a Chanko was and that led to success for her in the legislative level although she face enormous backlash personally and politically all. She held her office for a couple of terms. And then there was a redistricting issue and she tried to make a run for the US Senate from Massachusetts and she finished pretty poorly in a statewide primary but she's notable for being the first statewide office elected official Harvey Milk was from the city council. Essentially but she was from a state legislative seat and they had a seat at the state level government. Hey travelers do you want to save money on your next flight? Then pick up the phone and call. That's right call because the best prices are not online they're with smartfares. Seek smartfares has special deals with the airlines when they have unsold seats they use smartfares to fill them. So you get airline tickets at ridiculously low prices. 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If you've ever considered becoming a little organ donor or if you're someone in need of an organ transplant please visit matching donors. Dot Com. You mentioned Homophobia in seventies era. What are your thoughts about? What's going on now? With the trump administration. I think that relates to one of the big themes of encyclopedia and several of the articles and entries and that theme is the partisan divide on this issue that persist to this day. We just look at today. The number of elected officials in the country only about three percent of all the openly. Lgbtq elected officials in the country are Republicans. It's about twenty three out of seven hundred and fifty six. And that's not typical. For other similar countries. There are conservative parties in Canada in the UK in parts of where there are a lot more openly. Lgbtq members of parties elected to office. The United States is unique in that its conservative. Party is probably more anti Algebra Q. Than other comparable countries and that has to do with the connection between their public party and their religious ride. That goes back to the nineteen seventy said we discussed earlier. The trump administration is responding to a very powerful constituency in the party. The religious right that doesn't see. Lgbtq writes in any way as legitimate not just disagree with it but they're trying to roll back the very existence of policies wide range of fronts. They can control through administrative decision making and bureaucratic policy-making as well as trying to shape the courts in a more conservative direction to push back on advances that have been made and we're meeting the Obama Administration previous administrations and previous supreme courts to expand rights and that fight is not going away. I don't see the Republican Party. In the near term changing that very strong anti lgbtq position there are individual. Republicans who are very supportive of lgbtq rights but they tend to be minority in the party right now and I think it is quite striking that there are so few elected officials that are Republican and LGBTQ partial list. Because Kenneth make self selecting decisions when they decide to run these themselves. Do I have good chance of winning? Is it worth the time is a worthy investment is worth personal cost? And if they calculate that their party will not be receptive to their candidacy based on their identity. They probably won't run. So there are a lot of reasons why we have this huge balance on a partisan level between openly Q. elected officials who are Democrats most of them the vast majority and a small minority who are Republicans. I think there's been a widening name knowledge. I guess of transgender people. And I'm wondering if that has been good for that community or not I think it's been both positive and negative. Because on the positive side there've been more openly. Lgbtq people and Trans People in particular running for office and we more recently Deca room for instance in Virginia who was first elected in two thousand seventeen to the legislature just reelected recently. A few weeks ago there were folks from Colorado L. transgender people elected to state legislature city council members in Minneapolis in two thousand seventeen. So we start to see more openly. Lgbt cute people in particular transpeople running for office and even been elected. That's much newer. There's more visibility on transgender rights issues with author pretty significant backlash to those issues. So it's April look at the range of lgbtq rights issues probably LGBT issues. Are More supportive these days than t issue than transgender issues? So it is a situation where there's been almost progress particularly recently and we've seen many more transgender candidates running for office and being elected but there's still a tremendous stigma and a lot of social anxiety about transgender rights issues trends issues in particular have banned a poking point for the trump administration. Would you agree with that? I think so folks in the religious right who control a lot of Republican party policy-making these days don't see transgender people as having a distinct identity or being ballad Lee recognized policy and law. The increasingly the backlash transgender rights is to deny that transgender people exist or they should exist and that is a fundamental religious view. That some people use scriptural passages to site but it is a foundational view of religious right that transgender folks. People don't exist shouldn't exist. It's his whole debate. Is UNNECESSARY AMPUTEE? Legal protections are unnecessary and those are grounded in very essential views about gender and gender roles that also laid the movement for lgbt rights. But it's been more pronounced these days. I think in the context of transgender rights. What are some of the policies for the Lgbtq community that you would support? I would support gently support a range of pro. Lgbtq policies An image of transgender rights. Some issues very important. Like Gender Marker Changed People to change their identification driver's licenses birth certificates relatively easily when they transition Nondiscrimination laws laws that allow people students access to facilities based on their gender identity there a range of policies that that are being enacted in more progressive state. Suppose Conservative states are being contested. A Federal Court and State Court Salmon. There's ongoing conversation about someone else. Important issues I think they're facing particularly the transgender community stays Illinois is one of those progressive states. Would you say yes? Guess recently has been and that wasn't always the case in the last decade so five or ten years it's been a more progressive state on a range to Q. Issues than it was early and that's a reflection of demographic changes the Trans Toward Democratic Party. Control the presence of openly LGBTQ state legislators and local officials all those things have contributed to Illinois being a more progressive state on LGBTQ issues early to bed. Early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise. And all was Benjamin Franklin wise so you actually think electrcity can pass through metal. Frankly go flat excellent idea. What am I keys? Besides the bifocals Bennett Bennett. The Franklin on from the foundation for a better life DOT COM has a father of a soldier in the Army National Guard. 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Three twenty two is a bill that was passed in two thousand fifteen would band red light cameras for nine units of government which we all know what happened to my bill. Now Two Thousand Fifteen. We have a senator who is Obviously under federal indictment now and we also have a corrupt program. Red Light cameras at a single reason. I got involved in politics. One went up in my neighborhood and this has not done anything for safety yet. It's been a simple money. Grab for the MISSA. Polity and many Missa palate is just like that. These red light cameras have been a crux in the black and brown communities for years a lot of individuals have lost. Their cars. Like cameras have not helped anyone in the communities. We we have a lot of work to do and reform and ethics and how we conduct ourselves in this building over the next six weeks and this is not the right start to do it. Our young people need and as representative Willis said they want age and developmentally appropriate comprehensive and inclusive personal health and safety education and they need this education at the earliest grades and as a clear young person in southern Illinois. I learned nothing at all about people like me about diverse sexualities gender Expression Gender Identity Illinois lawmakers strained a tackle red light cameras in the wake of a corruption investigation and sex education in schools. That's back on the legislative agenda as well. We'll talk about that and more coming up on State Week. I'm Shawn Crawford with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the University of Illinois. Springfield is Charlie Wheeler. He's America's professor and former director of the Public Affairs Reporting Program at U. I. S. He's also a longtime statehouse reporter in observer with us from the State House is our State House editor Brian mackey. And on the line with us today is Hannah. Meisel of the daily line hand. It's good to have you back on state week. Thanks for having me and I will start with you. Brian on this Red Light Camera Discussion. Let's go there I. It's been in the news a lot in the last several weeks and months It's not always been a popular topic among many people. Many people think that's a red light cameras. are onerous on motorists to begin with and now we have some corruption that has shown up regarding this industry as well. What are lawmakers trying to do this? There are a number of different efforts on red light cameras ranging from well let's just work around the edges and clean up some of the bad things that have happened but but still keep them largely. They are all the way to. Let's just ban them? This is a failed experiment. We thought it was going to be about safety. But it's really a cash. Grab this bill that passed out of the House. This week is somewhere in between Sponsored by Representative David McSweeney who is a Republican from Barrington hills? And it's a partial ban only applies to about half of the municipalities. That can have red light cameras and Illinois and they're not the big ones so eleanor. Has This thing called home? Rule which is basically gives a local government more power to to set its own laws particularly around taxes but in an all kinds of different areas. Its own ordinances. I should say. And it's any city with a population of greater than twenty five thousand. I think the threshold is or it could be smaller towns if they opt in so this certainly include Chicago Naperville big cities like that but there are a number of smaller suburbs where the voters have given you know have voted to have home rule power there and so what this re red light camera ban this limited one that passed the house it would apply to non home rule municipalities in Illinois. What is particularly notable about this? Bill is that it's one that has come up in these. You mentioned Sean. These recent Federal Corruption Investigations And it's apparently the one that that state senator or former state Senator Martin Sandoval Killed because he was as he has pleaded guilty to he was on the payroll of a Red Light Camera Company and Brian. But not everybody in in all of Illinois knows what these Red Light Cameras. Are there certainly more prevalent in the upstate? Area Chicago in that region You know just give us a quick explanation. What do yes so this is A. IT'S A. It's kind of a camera with a computer device that sits up there next to on a red light and as a car comes into an intersection if the light's yellow and then that moment it turns red it kind of takes a snapshot of the Intersection. And if one's vehicle is anywhere even over the white line you may not you know. I think this was pitched originally as well. This is going to be for people who just kind of bolt through the red light ignoring it. Because they think they're more important than everyone else but what it's done is in snared people who are maybe making a right turn on red and they don't come to that full complete stop fully behind the white line. Wipe like most of US learned in driver's Ed. Instead you know the reality of driving is if you're in the middle of nowhere or it's the middle of the night and no one's around maybe kinda come to a two mile an hour role as you kind of look around but the camera does not forgive in the camera what it does. It takes a picture of your vehicle. It gets your license plate. It gets your face. Apparently human beings somewhere review this footage. But there's not a lot of forgiveness built into the system and then a ticket is mailed out these can be very expensive tickets and some lawmakers were saying You know people have lost their cars. They've lost the right to drive over these red light camera tickets down handle these are You know I've mentioned we've we've mentioned the corruption ingle. That's happened here more recently but these have been controversial from really from the start right. When a red light cameras I legalized in like I think two thousand three. Chicago was the first municipality to get them and then they were legalized for the rest of the state. A few years later like two thousand seven but pretty much right away. There were issues with the cameras like Brian mentioned you're not necessarily catching people who are flagrantly. Driving through red lights here really trapping people were just doing normal driving like I actually have a red light camera outstanding right now and I tried to appeal it and they came back with a big fat. Denial and I've had an easier time getting out of some parking tickets trying to appeal them. Anyway but investigations by the Chicago Tribune Revealed a massive kickback scheme for the Chicago. Red Light Camera Program. There was this Australian company called Red Flex and I you know. Several people went to prison. Actually after several years of investigations and federal indictments coming down on these people And so there are undoubtedly unpopular however suburbs have in the city of Chicago. Suburbs have come to rely on them. for revenues. And even though you know the argument is always oh well. It's about safety. You know really the. It's because so much of some of these Very small suburbs state budgets have come to rely on this revenue and so in early January Controller Susana Mendoza. She announced that her office would no longer be acting as a debt collector for those suburbs of the city of Chicago does not actually rely on the controller. But you know the controller had for years been basically acting as a debt collection agency For people who were delinquent on paying their red light cameras and she said this is something that her off could do to kind of curb the the programs. Obviously it's not a total ban. But she says she's doing her part and total ban bills like Ryan said Unlike this McSweeney bill they are coming down the pipeline And so I think momentum is building but these red light camera companies are pretty powerful and especially the pressure from suburban mayors. I think that's going to play a big role in whether or not we actually do see a ban this year. I think it's also worth noting here that you do hear that public safety argument however as the screws have been put to potentially these municipalities. They are being a little more open about the idea that this is a money issue for them as well and it's interesting Representative McSweeney pointed out in debate. I think it was a tribune story. From a number of years ago now where they had worked with a professor at Texas A. and M. and found some twenty two percent of the my head increase in rear end collisions. And I can tell you from personal experience when you're coming up on these intersections there well labeled there's a big sign and you can see the camera sitting up there and it does make you. Try to be hyper vigilant. But apparently people are slamming on the brakes to avoid you know crossing the white line and getting the ticket and therefore creating an increase in rear end collisions at these intersections. Now surely we heard the Susana Mendoza mentioned there. She's a Democrat. David McSweeney Republican Bipartisan effort may be against these To some extent and that's not surprising. This is this is the type of thing. Lawmakers loved him to get on because the fact that they aren't popular among the public. Anything you can you can do to show that you're you're doing something on the public's behalf at least you know that's the point they're trying to make here is going to be a popular one. Yeah as as I recall it I think the vote in the house was eighty four. I four no. Now that we're what a couple dozen people either voted president or didn't vote at all but the fact that the only four no votes Shows how politically popular. This is now. If I'm not mistaken it doesn't the red light cameras aren't approved for statewide use. We don't have any insane men. Connie for example just the suburbs metropolitan. Here yeah causal and Metro East the the two Illinois counties across the river from Saint Louis and they were originally sold. His hand has said as a safety measure. This is to Catch those people who run through yellow lights here in Springfield as you approach a intersection and the light is changing. If you you just stop and wait because you know somebody who's just getting red light is going to go through on. I confess I've done that too. It's I guess. Part of the culture of driving in Springfield but in many instances in his matter of fact I believe the allegations against senator former senator sandoval was that he pressured people at the Illinois Department of Transportation to okay putting these red light cameras were. There was not the documentary evidence of traffic safety as being important in that particular intersection. Hannah let me go back to one argument that I have heard made in support of these in the past and that is that they free up officers for other work that Maybe there's limited resources on the police department and again always have somebody sitting at every intersection just making sure people follow the law so that there is that in some ways that they hope In public safety in an overall way well I mean a lot of things. A lot of technology a lot of automation. They claim to just free up human capital and of course paying someone to be an active police officer and of course later on paying their pension that is extremely expensive. But you know if you're GONNA if you're GONNA say oh we're going to improve public safety by doing this automation thing. I would hope that someone is on the other and actually reviewing the footage and calling balls and strikes in a fair way because again like a. A lot of people are just in in In the regular course of driving like normal people like people. You can't always stopped right at the white line. I think maybe my dad would disagree. But you know things just happen. Things come out of nowhere sometimes. The Lights The timing of the yellow lights is off. I think the Tribune also had an investigation about Several years back but shortening yellow lights. Yeah exactly yeah. This goes to two hands point. I think is you can look at. I think there's a sort of almost a broader philosophical issue here and I'm reminded of that episode of Seinfeld George. Driving and there were birds in the road and they're supposed to get out of the way we deal with the birds. When you're driving up they fly out of the way that's the deal and they didn't and he ended up hitting a bunch of these birds and I kind of feel that is why we don't have a big brother traffic system with smartphones. We have with the GPS technology that I pass toll collection. It could be that if you get from one tollbooth to the next or toll sensor. They don't really have as many booths anymore. But you know you automatically get a ticket because you're not supposed to go from one hundred fifty ninth straight one to the sixty third street one in X. amount of minutes and it could be that we could have these automated devices just issuing tickets left and right everywhere. But that's not the deal we have in our society. There's IT's expected that most people will behave safely most of the time. If someone's doing something crazy or a G- regis like that spate of hundred mile an hour plus tickets. We heard that the state police was issuing. I think we talked about that a few months ago. Fine that you know that's something that should be addressed. And that is worth investing the human capital of an actual state trooper police officer going out there to enforce that but I think that you know. There's a reason we don't have a sort of totalitarian surveillance. State that monitors every every moment of compliance with the law. Just because as we were all saying I think that you know you have to allow just have a little more allowances for the ebb and flow of of everyday travel. And it's just not the society. I think any people wanna live in but when we all have autonomous vehicles. You won't have to worry about it. Let me move on We did mention corruption involved with red light cameras. And there's a broader look at ethics in state government right. Now Hannah. There's a commission that's been formed has a lot of People who have been around governmental longtime who are involved with this commission. They've met met again this week. Anything going on with at this point as far as we know of you we're going to see legislation or are they singling out any type of area that they want to try to improve on. Yeah we've seen I think it's been five meetings of this drank commission on ethics and lobbying reform They FACE A MARCH THIRTY FIRST DEADLINE. To present a report to the governor on legislative leaders on suggested changes to state law to kind of route corruption and tighten up other areas of ethics law. This the latest meeting. This week was mercifully a lot shorter than the other. Almost five our meetings we've seen. It was about like Ken to people. Hold this elective office at the same time I think Especially those of us who are not super familiar with like some of the tiny southwest suburban towns like way when the FBI raided Cook County Commissioner. Jeff town In September everyone kind of learned. I O not only is he commissioner to Cook County. He's also the mayor of this tiny little town called summit similarly state Senator Steve Landeck. He's the mayor of Bridgeview and then we also have a newish state Rep. That was sworn in last summer. A Republican from Rosemont Red Stevens. Who has been mayor? Rosemont for about the last decade or so in his father had been the original mayor of Rosemont Donald Stevens Donald Stevens Convention Center Rosemont for Fifty Years. And so they're basically. The commission her like is it is inherently wrong is inherently bad and it seems like the Constitution and most of Illinois Statute has a pretty lousy fair approach. You know as long as those two offices don't conflict than it's fine but of course it's what does conflict mean are their contracts to be had. Are there any number of things can come up in so no one's really watching this thing? I think there was a question to a representative from the attorney. General's office like. Are you guys being proactive? And the answer was will hay with eight thousand units of Local Government Illinois by far the most of any state in the nation. We can't really be watching all the time you know there's just it's impossible and so this is the latest hearing there's been Touching on other areas of government ethics laws and. I guess we'll just see there's another month until that report is due and then I guess legislation will have to come out of it. Let me move on as well because there are some other legislation that we've been following this week and I call it sex education at the start of the show Brian but They've been giving it some different names and there are a couple of at least. I don't want to call them. Competing bills out there but There's some different legislation that would try to accomplish some similar things. Yeah and they they refer to his health education but I think that you know the the emphasis is on what I think those of us who grew up a decade or so plus ago would call sex education and what is different about. What at least one of the big proposals. That got a lot of attention this week. Because of a news conference in the capital It's called the reach act. I won't get into the acronym but basically it would mandate comprehensive age appropriate sex or health education in public schools for Grades K through twelve and a couple of things are interesting about that one. The idea is making it mandatory. Currently there's language in statute that says schools may have this. This would change it to schools shall have it and the idea of making it in all grades is something different and again. The they do emphasize there's age appropriateness so for kids in kindergarten through grade to it would be looking at things like personal safety. Identifying trusted adults the children's can go to and respecting each other. It as you get a little bit older grades three through five. There's more talk about healthy relationships and bullying and harassment even getting into puberty body image sexual orientation gender identity gender expression things like that and then in the as children really grow into young adults grades six through twelve. There's more talk about things like consent and harassment abuse violence As well as contraception and medication and Sexually Transmitted Infections. And how to prevent them so it would be comprehensive. There is another version of this legislation out there that would be all ages but would not have that mandatory component to it and I should add that parents at least under the first one would still the right to opt their children out of this education if they did not want them to participate. Charlie anytime you use the word mandatory even if he does have that opt out provisions. It's always going to be controversial. And I think that was one of the arguments raised by representatives of school districts. Who said you know? We don't disagree with the idea. We think this is very good and children should be educated in these areas in inappropriate way from the time they start school. But WHO'S GONNA pay for it is another unfunded mandate and the school districts have Lord? I Dunno they have probably hundreds of them out there. They have to teach this. Teach that do this do that. And the state lays on them and then the state says. Yeah but we'RE NOT GONNA pay for you figure out how to pay for you. GotTa do it. But we're not going to help you financially on it and Brian I would imagine. A lot of schools do similar types of curriculum right now but it may not be laid out the way that that this bill requires it and it again. It does not have that a requirement that all schools offer something. Yeah in some schools may but but there we certainly heard about some that. Don't think one of the voices we used at the top of the show was a high school senior named trae. Graham who identified as Queer in the news conference this week and said that they did not get any of this sort of education about their sexual identity and healthy relationships and that sort of thing so there may be schools that are doing parts of this but the aim here is to make it standardized and comprehensive across state but school districts would be able to tailor their own curriculum correct. You don't have the language of the bill in front of me. I think there would be some of that but there is a lot of there are a number of things that are sort of like this shelby. You know it will include in touch on these various things. So I I think the idea is if if for example hypothetically if there's a more you know conservative area the state where these issues are not discussed as much in public discourse. I think that that you know the aim is to make sure that education and Instruction is getting even into those places where people in the community might raise eyebrows about it. We've been watching the presidential race. Hearing a lot about prescription drug prices. There is a renewed effort at the Capitol to try tackle these prices as well of medications and Hannah some lawmakers I believe. They held a news conference on that this week right. State Rep will already of and our local state senator from Springfield. Andy Manar around Springfield. I should say. they teamed up last year to do a bill that basically capped insulin crisis. And they're teaming up again to try to create a state a new state board that would basically say to drug companies. Hey this is the the upper limit that Illinois will pay for you know x strug and go through a list of a drugs that People depend on and You know they say it's not like mandatory that the drug companies would charge less than that. But you know there's a certain element of the the power of shame saying like okay we are. We're saying that illegal aliens are not GonNa pay more than this and if this drug company does indeed charge Illinois that much than public pressure and then also part of their bill would be creating some sort of commission that would study the issue like we see all the time. We're going to have a blue ribbon panel to study the issue but this is really big deal and I've heard about a couple of other bills. Coming on the pipeline. That would try to reign. In the cost of prescription. Drugs will already tried to do similar things last year. But you know we were already doing a whole lot in springfield but this is a perennial issue especially as the debate over Healthcare in general rages on in the president at the Democratic presidential race. This is just a hot topic because it really really does affect people's lives and really only about a minute here left handed but I remember in the past. There was discussions about drug buying clubs. Where maybe the state would negotiate drug prices? All of that type of thing. We're not they're not talking about getting into things like that at this point. I've heard of an importation. Bill that would basically legalize formalize away that the state could buy drugs from other countries like Canada. But there are safety concerns With that and even some of the groups that you would think might be onboard with that. Bill are really not because I got safety concerns. Let's go to our notes from the Field Shirley. Let's start with you. The Attorney Registration Disciplinary Commission is moving to Disbar Rod Blagojevich. Now you might think we'll have. Didn't he lose his law license when he was convicted No because the way it works is his law. License was suspended until all his appeals. Run OUT IN. His appeals ran out and the commission which oversees the disciplinary actions involving the legal profession. is now moving to despire him and it's likely that occur although it takes several months after they have they had a hearing this week after the hearing it takes several months ago to make the decision but not to worry because Begovic is now offering videotaped messages for sale through a website. And if you WANNA pay fifty bucks seventy five bucks one hundred bucks. You could get rich to Lucia happy birthday to one of your best friends or maybe one of your worst enemies if you're looking for gift ideas and Hannah it's kind of a legacy thing now but of course a political organizations especially in Chicago Thrive on legacy so the teams Ward Organization. Which of course is a house speaker. Madigan's longtime ward organization. Put Out Palm Card. Which is kind of like piece of campaign literature that you hand out near polls saying these are our preferred candidates. It left off key. Cook County State's attorney Kim Fox and also a Metropolitan Water Reclamation district commissioner Kim dupleix who was also or state rep and so the palm. Puerto essentially left off two of the three black candidates Black female candidates that the Cook County Democratic Party had slated and so people were left kind of scratching their heads. Unfortunately people were eager to talk to me about this earlier in the week and then they clammed up yesterday which I thought was very interesting Brian as there has been more attention to getting diverse range of people serving in office the Illinois Senate took a step this week to codifying the idea that campaign funds can be used for childcare as long as it's while. Someone's doing governmental or political work Spokesman for the State Board of elections says when it's been asked about this in the past it said it's okay to use campaign money in this way. This would just make sure that that is put into law. And that's our time for this edition of State. Week our panel included Surely Wheeler Brian mackey and Hannah Meisel of the daily line. Get a podcast of her show at NPR Illinois dot org or through the NPR one APP production assistance for the program was provided by Bob Meyer. I'm Shawn Crawford. You've been listening to state week. 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There were dramatic scenes at an airport in Shanghai China as US agents hijacked a plane full of life saving equipment including sixty million masks bound for corona virus strict in France while the plane was on the tarmac American agents managed to bribe locals into diverting the plane to the United States plying them with cash men press news reports. It appears to not be an isolated incident Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau revealed that he had received similar reports of goods being seized and taken to the United States. Brazil won the. Us's most loyal allies also broke with convention to criticize the trump administration's pandemic gangsterism. President trump spent weeks claiming that the virus was a liberal hoax intended to dent his credibility then downplayed the seriousness of the problem before changing tack and blaming China for the thousands of dead amid state Copeland Nineteen outbreak around one hundred detain migrants at a private for profit. 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S. network at SNL NETWORK DOT com. I'm Mike Moreau reporting for the liberty. Beam reminding spread liberty with a smile. This is Josh Barrow. And welcome to left. Right and center civilized yet provocative Antidote self-contained opinion battles we dominate political debate. It's the third week of March and this was the week of stay at home orders California's under a statewide order for people to stay at home. New York ordered non-essential businesses to close and people to stay at home as much as possible. These provisions will be enforced. These are not helpful. Hints said New York Governor Andrew Cuomo the federal government has issued voluntary guidelines urging people not to gather in groups larger than ten but beyond New York and California. Lots of states and localities have their own. Mandatory rules aimed at sharply reducing social contacts and therefore the spread of the novel Corona Virus. This isn't about flattening the curve so much as breaking the outbreak needs to be stopped before it spreads to the mass population. Because at any pace that is likely to overwhelm the capacity the American medical system with patients and severe respiratory distress at the White House press briefings. Tony Shifted sharply less time. Not Zero time is being spent on the president's grievances about his critics president trump who said on January twenty second. He was not at all worried about a pandemic set on March. Seventeen that he's felt. This was a pandemic long before it was called a pandemic. Now let's bring in our frightened center panel has always. I'm your center joined by rich lowry editor of National Review on the right and on the left Elizabeth Brunette of the New York Times. Hello Hi Rush Dr Kavita Patel joins us now. Kavita as a primary care and tournus a health policy researcher and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. She was a health policy advisor in the Obama Administration. High Kavita. Hi there. Can you tell us what the outlook is for this in our hospitals? We've been seeing all these concerning reports today of the equipment and the staffing that they need. They have enough masks and gowns and the president was asked about this week and he basically said. That's governor's job. We're not a shipping clerk. Go ask them. How ready are the hospitals? The hospitals are doing their level best to try to be prepared but honestly Josh. These are absolutely unprecedented times. Where even having almost all hassles I know of large and small have some sort of preparedness pandemic or otherwise disaster preparedness manual. But there's nothing like this in any manual that I've seen in order to tell people. Look we may have to convert our entire hospitals into corona virus wards that have respiratory isolation that require these incredibly cumbersome co changes of your gowns and masks. Oh and by the way. You don't have enough of those masks and gowns to change in to keep yourself healthy with the standards that we would recommend so they are especially in the hot spots the coasts California New York and in between Chicago etc. People are doing their best but they're really looking to guidance from peers private sector and where they can the federal government but the state is actually taking the lead in many of these. Instances and the states are very understaffed and under resourced to provide the type of assistance. That hospitals need rich. I'm wondering what you make of the president's comments on this topic this week. You wrote some about. The president's nationalism is not shining through here in the way that you would expect to two or that it ought to in a crisis like this. It seems weird for him to be basically saying you know not my job not my problem about some aspects of this because it's a crisis and it's everybody's problem but it sort of especially the federal government's problem. Yeah it's clear that these shortages exist and you have government officials denying that they exist and it makes no sense to me that the president one day would invoke this Latest Emergency Declaration. That would allow the the emergency manufacturer of the stuff and the next day. Say Well we're not actually doing that until things get bad. Well I mean. Most of the country's shutdown. How bad just have to get before we we do this but one question I have for Kavita is we've had all these. She referred to hospitals having all these plans. And we're all reading about these Government reports over the years that had these alarming scenarios and what would happen if a pandemic reached our shores. So did did no one really stockpile anything you would think you know at least you. You would realize you need protective masks at some sort of ask now that the military has a stockpile which it's going to feed into this civilian system which I assume will help Somewhere along the line here but I'm just wondering why there wasn't more of a strategic reserve of this stuff short. It's a great question and when I participated in the H One n one planning in the White House. That's absolutely cut the conversation we had around the table. And that's why we have what's called the strategic national stockpile of to that point that there's actually a lot of classification of security around what exactly the numbers are but that stockpile was meant for one type of scenario just as an aside the three scenarios that most of the country had been planning for was either a cyber attack a pandemic attack or a direct military attack. And you can almost see where there's aspects of all three in the corona virus each hospital just as a an actual building in kind of a functional unit also has kind of a backup to your point of reserves but really the actual mass kind of force with which we have this virus coming at us and numbers an ad in just certain places. Overwhelming emergency rooms and systems was not something that anybody could really anticipate. So that's where we have a gap and and the strategic national stockpile by the way as Josh mentioned countless time line. I mean recall that it has taken this long for the federal government to declare a federal emergency. Having if we had moved that up earlier that would have mobilized not just our defense resources but some of that strategic national stockpile. Which is I think what you're referring to as well as the ability for the private sector to scale some of the production and do what they need to do in order to actually deliver on these supplies. We're we're getting a lot of mixed messaging on who needs to be especially concerned about this virus. I think at first it was sort of widely said and perhaps this was somewhat jocular. But not completely that you know. Young people are immune is something older people need to worry about. We heard about High school students calling it the boomer remover particularly callous. But there's been quite a bit of of Writing now that you know there are Younger people being hospitalized in critical condition. You know so as we get ready To to face this and people were making decisions when they're not feeling well about whether they need to go to a hospital or not What should we make of these conflicting reports? And who should really head to the hospital? When they're not feeling well Greg question. And here's here's just a little of the context of the World Health Organization along with the CDC basically released on American patients that approximately forty percent of hospitalized patients were somewhere between the ages of twenty and fifty four to your point kind of under that demographic that we largely been quoting based off of data from China that showed that the majority of Hospitalizations Asians are serious. Illness were really in patients older than fifty. So you're absolutely right to say that it feels like we're getting conflicting information and from a science perspective. It's hard to know whether this is really a function of the fact that in the American hospital systems we actually do a pretty good job of being aggressive. Once someone comes in the doors and we are trying to get this earlier when possible and recognize it or is it also something about the virus. It's changing and the people we thought were able to pass this without having symptoms. Children are now showing symptoms. It's not clear and what I would say. Just as a practical matter of advice to any listener is that now. We do have a lot more of this quote unquote telemedicine capacity. You're seeing almost every physician. Every insurance company allowing for these visits much more liberally than they had before where there were restrictions. I would say do not hesitate to reach out to a health professional. Do not go to an emergency room. Unless you're actually feeling like you are truly ill not able to breathe and that you feel like you're you know you really do need to have a doctor or a nurse physically evaluate you and I would. Highly encourage people have been saying well. Children aren't going to get this. And we know even from China that that's not true. We know that children have a lower death rate but children do get this illness so just as a practical matter if you have a fever whether you're a child and adult and you might ask what's fever Most of us in the medical profession would constitute a fever for an adult at least at one hundred point five And then some pediatricians would say anywhere as you know. Low as ninety nine point five but one hundred point five or higher and if all you have is a fever and nothing else still call a health professional and monitor yourself and then practically speaking. If you're starting to get symptoms of any kind you've had a known contact Intel. You can actually get to a health professional either by telephone or person strongly encourage you to practice. But I would call self-isolation if you're in a household and that means having one bathroom or wiping down surfaces that you share with others and that added that we've been using frequent hand washing Kavita. The the president on Thursday spoke about some ongoing drug trials the FDA commissioner also spoke at the White House daily briefing on Corona virus in. The president was painting this as as a as really promising some not. Not just about you know a vaccine. That could be quite a ways off but some existing drugs that are already used for the treatment of other conditions. There are trials looking at whether those can be effective against the crow virus. Can you give give us a sense? How promising are those trials? And if some of those treatments are effective. How long would it take for them to be widely available for treatment in the United States? Sure and and just to level set of the president spoke I think. And here's another example where I think. Unfortunately it's caused a bit of confusion because he referenced not just some of the new trials that are promising in both the vaccine front as well as a potential treatment front but he also made a reference to some older drugs that have been around for decades. One of which for example is used for malaria. Unfortunately that's all anecdotal the only existing trials that are in place to leading pharmaceutical manufacturers. Gilead and regeneration have Trials in place for a potential treatment. And it's an antibody mediated treatment. That means that it's taking kind of immunity based cells and actually targeting a mechanism that we believe is what's causing this devastating illness corona virus. And they are because of the work for these exact same molecules in Ebola. They are able to actually kind of go through this trial process a little bit faster. Not because there are short cutting things but they are able to get into what we're calling phase two and three clinical trials and there should be early clinical readouts early clinical readouts in about three months. Potentially a little longer so that does give me some silver lining again. That is a far cry from saying yes. All of America has access to a treatment but we think that these could be potential opportunities for the most seriously ill. I can't stress that enough. This is not going to be something you know that we can. Just go and get an a call in and pick up at our local pharmacy. This is really going to be reserved for seriously. Ill patients the vaccine as you may have heard and Dr Fouled she has mentioned this from the NIH. Those are ongoing as well and the the vaccine is a different proposition. Because that is something that you want to give to everybody so the safety standards are incredibly rigorous. But they're still trying to speed those up. I would say at earliest. We've got probably twelve months until we see something like that. Which is why everybody is taking these shelter in place. Self Quarantine Measures handwashing social distancing very seriously it seems even if we get some antivirals that just limit. Hospital stays or or limit immortality. Oh take a little bit of the edge often and perhaps allow a relaxation of these kind of closures and shutdowns which are going to have an enormous human cost themselves some curious. Kavita what you think of. Also another model which people have talked about. Which is South Korea in obviously very early on the testing is done massive testing and has been able basically to rifle shot the social controls on individuals who are sick or might be sick. I mean it's incredible system where people can track you if you're sick on their phones and see where you are in a of avoid a contact with you which is obviously incredibly intrusive thing but maybe less damaging to society than than shut down entire states but how obviously we should have been on the stick faster on testing. But how replicable is that model given South Korea much smaller society and a lot of the initial problem stemmed from one outbreak surrounding this this church right and I think you're bringing up kind of a couple of themes just testing in general which I think everybody including by the way health professionals have been saying you know why is it that when I order a test it might take three to four days. First of all. It's hard to get them if you can get them can take several days to turn around and you're absolutely correct that in South Korea smaller population. Interestingly enough I would say a a a much more coordinated health infrastructure and that can we can have a longer discussions about you know. Government responsibility in healthcare. Always a good political topic but having said that they did take this both from an infrastructure perspective and from just a capacity building in general around public health more seriously I and the widespread testing absolutely as something whether it's drive through or even a concept that we're trying now to think about more seriously in the United States around self testing to your point. Could we actually? Because we just can't get into a hospital doctor's office and it's not what we want doctors to be doing so I do think that there is so much that we are learning however I worry that we have been behind and so we are catching up. We are using. It feels like finally the White House has heard the message in your scene but I would say is as change in town. Unfortunately these things are just not turnkey you have the major companies that do testing Labcorp quest others who are literally working twenty four seven but are just backlog in processing these samples and then you have internal hospitals everything from Stanford to Mayo and others that have in house testing and they are trying to ramp up but remember this. Is the supply chain and it can often be the least costly goods in that supply. Chain that are the barriers for example? The chemical reagents that even an internal hospital would used to run. A test is actually ironically sourced out of France or Italy. And so if you can't get that or you don't have enough of those nasal swabs that you keep seen on television For testing which is actually happening. Then that will limit all the downstream. And so that's where again the the quantity that we have is unlike. South Korea and the impact as well as the fact that we do not have kind of a federated capacity surveillance mechanism with twenty twenty technology. You would think that I should be able to say I've got five hundred tests that aren't being used in this part of the state of California. Let me get those over to this other part. That's going through a hot spot. We simply just don't have that infrastructure and that's one of the I sadly I think we're GONNA have a lot of after less than kind of action items. You know a a an kind of nine eleven commission style recommendations and that'll that'll be one of the big lessons. Can you talk a little bit about what you're seeing in your practice and maybe if that tells you something about what? The outlook is for this. How are we going to get through this? Do you have a sense of you know how long we'RE GOING TO BE Under the sort of really significant that were under now. Are we going to get a handle on this such that? We don't have a collapse of the style that we've seen in in northern Italy. What's the prognosis for us? Sure and and really not just what I see myself but also you know now has never been a more important time to have this connectedness. All of us in society but especially a lot of my medical colleagues so just day to day practically what I'm seeing and hearing are a lot of confusion questions it's starting to escalate now. The tone with which people are demanding tests so In the DC kind of region. We've got you know we are standing up drive through testing or access to some of the labs that I mentioned but there is still some delays in the turnaround time. There's also a lot of questions as you've brought up about whether children can get this and before. We thought that children that had colds. We didn't have to worry about and now people are concerned. And then there's also the safety part on healthcare workers every clinic. I know has been trying to discourage you know. Just regular physicals or wellness visits or elect A. Nobody's doing any quote elective procedures things that you don't have to have today so I think that the kind of way that we're trying to learn again. Everything is about learning from our colleagues Italy and remember Italy itself had the north and south of Italy are quite different populations as well as infrastructure and health care. So we're seeing actually different. Kind of response needs from parts of their country and that's actually absolutely true in the United States but we are learning that the biggest and most important thing is to have this hospital preparedness on the ambulatory clinic side or outpatient side. It's really about how to help triage and that means really thinking through not just who needs testing but who needs to be hospitalized early because just from a medical standpoint the clinical presentation that people are coming in with and why you're hearing so many people talk about the need for ventilators people come in profoundly. Hypoc CMEC and all that means is that the blood oxygen saturation is incredibly low. And so they really have to be intimated and ventilated and have quote. Mechanical assistance quickly. So knowing that we now know that that's what we are trying to prepare for and we're also having we're talking internally in the in the medical community about waves. This first wave is the surge response. The second wave is going to be kind of the need to convert. You know you're hearing people talk about converting churches to hospitals or schools to hospitals. The third wave is GONNA be capacity to relieve the workers in the first and second wave. Not just because a lot of them are getting sick. But if we are going to be in this for several months in some a roller coaster of sorts and some form. We are going to need to have planning four months from now not just days from now. Kavita Patel as a primary care. Internists a health policy researcher and senior fellow at the Brookings Institution Kavita. Thank you for joining us. Thank you. I'll be back with rich lowry of national review and Elizabeth Bruening of the New York Times to talk about Corona viruses impact on the economy and the workforce listening to left right and center. You're hearing from our left right and center and we want to hear from you to Tweet us at LLC KCRW and download the free kcrw APP to listen to left right and center on demand. Hey I'm alison barringer host of KCRW's bodies podcast. It's kind of electric kind of makes my body. Just start to buzz. It feels like a really tight muscle spasm and as it gets stronger. 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The economy at once and to be clear. I believe it is necessary for now but the effects on people and on businesses are going to be huge and they're going to require a huge government response. The terms of which Congress is currently debating to discuss that we're joined now by connor. Doherty Connor is a California based economics reporter at the New York Times and his new book is called Golden Gate's fighting for housing in America. Hi Connor Hey Josh. How are you well not too bad? Under the circumstances the The social restrictions have gotten gradually more severe throughout California culminating on Thursday Governor Gavin. Newsom issuing a stay at home order that applies to the whole state telling people they can't go to work unless they work in certain essential functions. What have you been finding as you look at what this is doing to? Businesses into workers for starters living in the Bay Area I've been living at. I went to a coffee shop the other morning and everyone was queued outside about six feet apart. Even though the coffee shop inside was emptied there was a line all the way down the block when I go to the supermarket. They hand out a latex gloves and will only last certain number of people into the into the supermarket at a time. I mean it's a full shutdown. I was telling someone. The other day I covered the DOT com bust Some of the Enron recession stuff Accounting scandals and then. I'd covered extensively the great recession when I was at the Wall Street Journal. And one of the things you always see. And I'm sure you've lived this yourself When there's a big market disruption or something like this editors always say to you. Hey Can you call them real businesses and see what the impact on them is and the editors of course always disappointed because you really usually takes a couple of weeks or a couple of months to really start to see the impact show up? That did not happen here. Within like a seriously hours of the of the stock market disruptions and people kind of recognizing that this was something awful. I called businesses. They were already laying people off cutting hours shutting down a coffee shop down the street from me. Just put up a sign and said we're out we're not even going to try to make it through the same we're going out of business for good I mean I've never people people are like I have zero income now. Not only not. My income is cut in half. It's nothing now you know I've never seen anything ever ripple so fast through the real economy and so I think what's interesting if you think about two thousand eight. It was a banking crisis that had a financial crisis the head huge impact on the real economy. This is like a total collapse of the real economy that is now going to threaten to become a financial crisis. So I don't know if we have a playbook for that but I guess we're GONNA develop as we go. Liz that's That's an alarming description. There what do you think the federal government needs to be focusing on right now to address that I don't know if in the history of the United States we've ever had a similar situation In terms of how quickly and how severely the ramifications of situation have have taken hold on the economy. I do think that you know. Both parties Quite surprisingly seemed to be recognizing that there are several sort of immediate measures that they could enact to at least ease things up as so relieving debt for example Canceling student debt. Which is an enormous source of debt? makes a lot of sense if they're going to be lots of people out of work Struggling even to to pay for basic essentials I think Sort of cash. Transfers as part of a stimulus make quite a bit of sense and different amounts have gone back and forth and of course I tend to favor the more generous ones but I think that's thinking along the right lines at the very least And then I think you know handling rent and foreclosure trump has made statements about this. I would say a pretty comprehensive response on that front is is necessary in vital because we need people to be in their dwellings so they need access dwellings it rich as Liz notes. There's been a bipartisan consensus. That some sort of large responses needed although the terms of that have been a matter of a lot of debate and then also I feel like and we're seeing this in in in the banking industry to that people are not quite keeping up with the pace at which this is getting worse. I mean you saw Goldman Sachs issued on March fifth. The new forecast saying this is going to be quite bad. We think growth for the year is going to be down to one point two percent then a week later they revised it again and said zero point four percent then they revised it again on Friday and it was minus almost four percent. And so you see that flow to Washington. You saw Mitt Romney a few days ago proposed that every American adult should be sent thousand dollar check which sounded like a really large number a few days ago. It's not clear to me that that number is actually that large in comparison to the economic Disaster that we're facing the now you have Senate Republicans bogged down the official Senate. Republican proposal came out actually proposing to send a smaller check to the poorest households than middle income households would get and that's gotten a lot of pushback even within the Republican Conference Mitt Romney and Josh. Holly saying that's a bad idea. You can't send less to poor people but there's still feels to me like the scale of of the solutions being discussed in Washington hasn't caught up with the scale of the crisis. Yeah I had the same experience with the economic numbers. I was talking to a former trump economic guy on Monday or Tuesday morning. And he's like I think the quarterly GDP numbers GonNa be mind is telling my just ten and then this morning reading some outfit or bank. I don't know which one was saying. It could be minus twenty so this is a self inflicted depression and I think the Federal Reserve and federal government are just going to have to fire liquidity and cash with Bazookas and both arms. And I expect you know the differences between the Senate and House versions of this latest stimulus. But I think we're probably get both in all of the above. I think the the urgency of it The scale of it will mean just thing both parties basically get a version of what they want and the number goes much higher and as you said with the Romney proposal. We're an environment or just every twelve hours. Something that seemed extreme is accepted. And we're onto the next extreme thing so I that the House version I think was Eight hundred and fifty billion which sounded like a lot and then I guess the Senate version. What is it? Like one point two trillion. We might be up to two trillion early next week when this thing probably passes Connor. What can those bazookas look like the richest saying you know to to fire liquidity into the economy? Because I think about what what lives saying there that people need relief from various obligations that they're not going to be able to pay with so much the economy shutdown relief from from rents relief from mortgage payments. That sort of thing and I think that's right but I I it feels to me like it sets up this cascade right like you know you you give people relief from rents which is something that they're doing in France Then Kenya landlord his mortgage. And maybe your landlord needs relief from his mortgage payments but then what does that do to bondholders who are expecting those payments if you know if the mortgage backed securities can't be paid then what sort of cascade connect 'cause through the financial system. I mean that seems like we're getting back to some of the stuff and it feels like this cascades. All the way up in the federal government has to be the ultimate payer for a lot of these things to keep the system running but it feels to me like there's complicated moving parts and it may be difficult to get that right one hundred percent. I don't even. I don't think any of US can mentally game this out too far. It's almost like I feel like we're in some strange science experiment where we're not even we're thinking about you know. I don't know black holes or so you know I mean it just feels like we're not thinking about regular life as we know it so as Elizabeth said in California. We've had a number of. It's as if everybody is fighting everyone to come up with a new foreclosure and eviction restriction. We've had multiple city ones than we had several legislators proposed one than we had Gavin newsom. proposed turned out. Gavin's was different than this anyway. Everyone is fighting everyone. It seems to come up with a new eviction in foreclosure rule and and obviously the best way to handle. That would be to have some kind of large state or federal rules so that there was not so much confusion about what was even happening. But as you say. I talked to a landlord the other day a guy who bit biggest landlord. He owns a thousand You runs a company that owns a thousand multifamily units across California. And he was saying to me. I mean we might get like half the rent if that next month is what is what happens. If like nobody pays their rent Not just because of an addiction more but just because they can't He was like I don't know what happens. And he pays all the utility bills. The property taxes the To say nothing of income taxes and and all these other things. It's it seems to me like the only way intellectually you could keep the economy even somewhat normal is to give everyone money and then just tell them to go about their normal life the normal way but of course the cost of that is like whatever you know seventeen trillion dollars over a year. So I don't know something it's it's in the it's in the realm of multiple trillions of dollars and. I don't know how we have a first off. I don't even know that we have the capacity for that but beyond that. I don't even know that we have like a construct in her mind for you know how you would go about that. And we talked about the Romney proposal and sending a thousand dollars to people being radical. But how how long does that can be good for anyone. You Lost Your Job Lost Your Life. Here's thousand dollar check. How long does that last? And that's why I just think this this total shutdown it's it's unsustainable and Wall Street. Journal has an editorial out saying you can only do this for another week. Which it seems too extreme. But we can't do. This told June. We can't do this tool July. Which is why we all the kind of rifle shot extreme measures. We could do have the having the military build makeshift hospitals nationalizing the protective mask industry. If that would help I'm in favor of doing all those because what we're doing at the moment is really the most extreme thing you can do. Shut Down Your Society and cause an enormous harm to untold millions of people and sustainable in the short term but It can't the medium-term it. We're just not GONNA do this. I mean the thing though is rich. We're GONNA have to do this for more than a week. And I. I share your concern about the sustainability And I I think that's why it's so important and there's been a lot written about this over the over the last week or so about other. South Korean style measures what we need to do to ramp up to be able to do things other than shutdowns to suppress this over the period of many months that we're going to need to be suppressing it but you know it's it's GonNa take more than a week. Italy's been under lockdown for more than a week so I think it is clearly sustainable for at least that period but I think you know as we've been talking about these fiscal responses. I mean it's it's important for you know for the macro economy so that That when we get past this epidemic that the economy will be able to grow people up money to spend it's important for people's livelihoods. I think there hasn't been enough. Focus on how important the fiscal responses for ensuring that the epidemiological response works. Which is to I? I'm worried about people complying with these. Stay home orders If they're running out of money There's going to be a lot of public pressure that people say you know you have destroyed my livelihood. I need to be able to support myself. I don't have money. I think that interferes with compliance. And frankly I'm eventually concerned about civil unrest If we have to impose these measures for a long time and so I think that you know there are a number of things that the government needs to be doing to get ahead of that including preparing for other viral suppression measures But I think one of those things is money making sure that to the extent that we can People are able to support themselves through this crisis. And you know the government. The federal government still borrows very cheaply and so the ability of the Federal Government to borrow to to to support individuals. Who are greatly harmed by? This is extensive and I think it needs to be drawn on just a quick point on that Josh. I don't think we can predict how the mood might shift on on this. So now you know. People are walking on a boardwalk in San Francisco and CNN is outraged by it for twenty minutes and maybe a month from now you know that the coffee shop out in San Francisco says just come in. Sit Down and have a Cappuccino and everyone's celebrating that if if it's felt as though these shutdowns have had such a drastic effect and everyone sick of them. So it's it's just. It's hard to predict where the mood might be weeks from now. Yeah I think that's right. I mean it's difficult to to get a good sense of hell. Morale is going to change and you know as we can see by the explosion of this pandemic. There's always new things happening in the world of medicine. That could make a difference for us. I know that You know we're being cautioned against expecting too much in the way of of medical interventions it can make a big difference I have some hopes For Morale and for the economy. I mean a World War. Two style mobilization You know with which has been bandied about with a Ford and General Motors and other big manufacturers with capacity in the United States making ventilators and other lifesaving medical equipment You know potentially could have the same effect as ramping up a war economy and I think that would also be good for morale. I'd just always thought that if we were having a huge mobilization that relied on a lot of social solidarity and we were even being offered the treat of nationalizing Quite a few industries. I would be happier about it. Connor can we talk a little bit about the impact on state and local governments here Because I mean one of the financial pressures. That's facing businesses. Is You know. Sales tax payments do People individuals will have tax obligations to to state and local governments have difficulty meeting but those state and local governments face their own economic difficulties right. Now we've seen interest rates spike in the municipal bond market. You're seeing transit agencies all around the country with ridership way down but they're not in a lot of cases they're not cutting service very much in part because they need the trains run kind of empty. Because you want people not to be close together on them. Do you have a sense in the bay area? How officials are thinking about that. Clearly you know here in New York. I've seen people throw around numbers that you were going to need a four billion dollar bailout of the Metropolitan Transportation Authority and that might even be a low number. It feels like that's sort of a sleeper area where this is going to have really significant economic effects. Bart right now is still running normal service. Even though they're completely empty and part of the reason is they need the trains run but part of the reason is also they have these labor contracts that guarantee essentially can't shut the train because they'd have to pay for the whole system. Anyway I so again I really hate to sound.

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"Including three horrible days in November. Two Thousand Nineteen. Well the high water really is A. It's a perfect storm of of different variables. You've got a wind. You've got a high tide with full moon. You've got changes caused by the development of the region and We've got Venezia's inability to to do anything about it. It's it's sort of helpless situation. Isn't it Stacey? No I was just gonNA say your description is a perfect storm is what we had this last November two thousand nineteen and it was more like seven days of the waters because with the four tied that you have in and out you know every so many hours places like my home were filling up with water. You have to wait for the tide to recede before you can open your water door to allow it to escape which just comes back in when people go traipsing by your house or pumps go on. But the borough wins and the shock wins and the rain and the full moon everything combined perfectly to allow this one week of pressure. It's part of daily life to live with the title situation in a place like this. We're used to it but not to have it. Remain so long. Describe what it's like Stacey because as a tourist I've been there and you know it's kind of we take photographs of it and they've got the elevated walkways and some people pull on their hip boots and it's it's something to it's kind of exciting but you're living there. You've got the reality of of mold and bacteria and humidity problems with your electricity. What's it like to live in Venice after a big flood? I think that I mean obviously. I'm not been Yutian well. No I've adopted the city as my home. I've chosen to live in this beautiful delicate place that to me. Holds so much magic to the high waters are part of my conscious decision to live here. I don't WanNa complain about them too. Because it's a part of the choice that has been made and the Venetians have that same sort of confident energy. You're just used to cleaning up after the high waters living here. The thing that was most frustrating was to be watching the news to see all the nations politicians and their posses having a fashion show in San Marco with their hip waders. On as opposed to you know sending out more crews to help local people and business owners clean up the mess so that was actually a case where you've got your city leaders in your politicians sort of just frolicking in the spectacle of the flood while residents. I mean there's what's just sixty thousand people still living in Venice. You guys are wondering. How are we going to deal with this? Stacey you mentioned how maddening it is that tourists. Just wander into your house and take photos of you while you're dealing with this real serious problem that definitely makes me lose my patience so when you're mucking out the water that's you know come up to the third step of your entrance and you know it's part of my art studios downstairs so it's just frustrating. Not Anything is on the floor but being almost at the two meter market definitely came in and to damage my biggest problem is the the drywall have down there. That'll has to be taken out and the electricity doesn't work anymore so while you're busy mucking out on day four and somebody just sort of comes in right behind you at your open door. And His taking food a graph of your home. That's just shocking. This is travel with Rick. Steves talking with Stacy Kabbani. Who's an artist inventors? Living through the floods. And we're talking with Fred Plotkin. Who's a scholar and an a lover of all things Italian and he's written a book called Italy for the Gourmet traveller and Fred. I know when you were a student that was your theme was studying the the whole phenomenon of the fled when we think of the flood and what we were talking about this perfect storm of things that contribute to this problem. You've got this issue of cruise ships dredging bigger canals. You've got the causeway that was built in in the middle of the eighteen. Hundreds that stopped the circulation. I know when they made the 'cause we have to Moan Michelle in France that caused things to silt up and they took that causeway away. So there'd be a better flow. What are some of these factors and then. What is the hope of the Moses Project? That's been so much promise and so much investment but so much corruption so much disappointment all kinds of issues here and I can put them concisely. The Austrians Occupied Venice for much of the nineteenth century. They built the railway bridge in eighteen. Forty six connected the mainland. The Intra story called the Old City of Venice. That for many people was the beginning of the end. They destroyed a neighborhood to build the Santa Lucia train station and ineffective made Venice dependent on the mainland. Also that breached did stop the waters in certain ways and it is a source of real resentment. Verity riddle whole opera about it. It La About Attila the hun the Austrians Being Attila coming in sacking Venice and the Venetian Roman general says of right to looney versa. Rescue Talia may you can have the universe led Italy be mine so that was the beginning and then with Cellini adding all the industry and widening the three inlets then pollution after World War Two with industrial build up then corruption in Talian Business in government November fourth nineteen sixty six was the highest flood in the history recorded history of Venice. It was seventy six inches to give you context November Twelfth Twenty nineteen seventy four inches in other words the second highest recorded history and there were two more in the days that followed this vicks height above the regular Seila. Yes yes so to tell you about the most say in Italian Mo Se. It means Moses we think of Moses Holding back the sea but in stands for modal low MO. spending in tally the S. electromechanical in other words these mechanical gates sitters. Supposed to open and shut that were to be installed in the Lido. Malam Oko and killed Jay inlets. They did not start on that until two thousand three and they are almost done but they're not really working there was I can't go into all the government corruption and so on and payments and bribes. But the problem is basically that for fifteen years now. This flooding has continued the salt. Pollution has continued. It's not the venison sinking so much. It's at the waters are rising have cruise ships come in displacing when you have six thousand passenger ship. It seems especially three thousand just placing huge amounts of water onto the Piazza San Marco. Just by ship it has nothing to do with the high tides. Then what you're doing is allowing Venice to be destroyed. That's why people are angry but the commercial interests want what's called the more. The Fujian other words eaten run tourism of people who land at the ship terminal. Do a little shopping leave money and then leave Venice. So that affects hotelkeepers. It's in the long term terrible for the economy of Venice and a few people are making a lot of money in the short term. But they're destroying the city. What is the feeling among the nation's Stacey about trying to get money in certain areas like cruise ships and so on is really threatening the very existence of life for people? Who Live there. Well I mean I guess I can only speak for the people that I I know right so I tend to know the people who are anti cruise ships. Not An anti. I don't think you should travel by cruise ship person. In general I just think that the laws affecting the TRICIA industry around the world needs to be looked at for it's not just venison is suffering under the stress of this type of tourism. As we all know the Venetians in general are rather divided. It depends on where their family's income comes from. Venice gets the extreme case. People just stampede in. They don't eat in a restaurant for dinner. They don't sleep in a hotel. They just damn. He didn't congest everything. You eat some fast food. Take some photographs and then go back to their shit so I can see some people thinking. This is not my idea of a nice part of our industry. We're looking beneath the surface events to examine why the city's flooding more often end with greater impact. We're joined by ITALOPHILE. Fred Plotkin. He writes the regional food guide deadly for the gourmet traveller and a book called opera. One and Stacey Kabbani is a painter photographer and tour guide. Who had to rescue her art from the floodwaters seeping into her studio. She posted samples of her work at Stacey. Ebony DOT COM. Anna's listening in from Rochester New York and she joins us on the phone at eight seven seven three three three rick. And what are your thoughts about Venice? yeah so. I'm curious what you know. I can do to be a more responsible. Tourists never been to Italy very looking forward to going for a long-awaited honeymoon with my husband and We want to visit Venice. But we we're not sure how we can do this responsibly. and still enjoy everything the city has to offer. This is such a timely question and It's an interesting issue for several cities in your over touristed in Venice along with Amsterdam and Barcelona in a couple of others are getting to the point. Where you wondered is a tourist. Even welcome of course good tours miss. Welcome but there's there's tourism that just takes doesn't give Fred. What's your thoughts on how somebody can visit Venison away? That's positive honored. The first thing is to stay away from the Piazza San Marco in the most touristed areas. Stay in a low condo which is in in in one of the outlying areas there. It's called Associati. There are six districts from the Old City of Venice. Staying in Castello staying candidate. Show stay in ones. That are less frequented by tourists. Try to find a neighborhood where you developed your local Bar. You form a community for a few days frequent local. Venetian food places. Don't go wear I you see. All the crowds of people lining up for Pizza Pizza's not Venetian go. To museums that are less well known in addition to academia but above all for me Venice among its many virtues is acoustically. It's like nothing else in the world and if you walk down certain alley-ways and you hear people doing their dishes or they're on the phone. You suddenly realize that you are away from your world of vehicular traffic of all kinds of noise that really cluttered our minds and it hard to think in Venice you reflect not just on the water not just in the sky but you hear things you don't hear Ellsworth who bring linger your eyes to Venice but your ears and wander without direction without a plan and you'll have the best discoveries of all. That's a beautiful answer. Fred and I know that we've talked before and and you are considered a pleasure activist. And that's a very extreme. The pleasure is to appreciate the Acoustics Stacey. What are your thoughts on? How a tourist? I Love Fred suggestion and Rick. You and I've talked about this before. Come to Venison get lost right but I encourage you to stay definitely in a hotel in the city. Run by a family. Wouldn't that be nice? Please avoid illegal AIRBNB. That's a topic for another day. Please eat at local restaurants. Please don't daytrip and come in from the mainland whose take Glenda ride and do exactly like Fred has suggested quiet and you're going to listen to the water. Be in the place. Forget about your selfie. Stick try to make those photographs of your mind because this place needs to be felt not just seen quickly so if you can stay for a week then you can do exactly what Freddie suggested and find yourself the local cafe to have your coffee and and meet the local people and learn a little Venetian dialect. While you're at it and make one more suggestion. Yeah please make Venice your first stop fly there. There's the airport there go into the city by a ferry and it will arise and your vision and so on this way. Your first impact with Italy will be Venice. Then you could leave by the railway station and go to the mainland But it's the best first place to have contact with everything Italian as I said. It's a beautiful way to be introduced to one of the most magnificent cities anywhere in your travels. Thanks for your call Anna. Thank you very much. This is travel. With Rick Steves. We're talking with Fred Plotkin. He's the author of Italy for the Gourmet traveller and Stacey Kabbani who's a local tour guide. Who's new American? Who's decided to embrace Venice and actually become a local stacey if you had a visitor to Venice What's how do you appreciate the wonder and the the magic of of the Serenissima than the Serene City? Well I'm like you. I like it early. In the morning for sure The peacefulness and it's when all the local people are out kids are going to school. People are going to work. I mean I can get up at five thirty in the morning and open my studio window and start to see people going into work and I think that's a an interesting thing to enjoy but when people come to visit I encourage everyone to get lost to not hold onto their map to know this before they walk out the door. Have some kind of general plan okay. Today I'm headed towards The academia like Fred had suggested and as I get there I will pass through other neighborhoods. What will I be looking for? Maybe an umbrella. The Habit of the local gentlemen to have the alone every day to go have a glass of wine in the shade of the Bell. Tower leaked out into the other sist yet. And it's still a habit of the local people and I enjoy taking foreign visitors to participate in the Geodesic Day longer. Need a few local characters you know. I'm so thankful that the traditions Venice survive and that that somebody like you stacey who can appreciate. Venice can actually move in and embrace those traditions as a local as you've become a twenty years he had plotkin and Stacey Kabbani. Thank you so much for joining us for this discussion about Venice. And in the high water thank you. We include links to our guests with this week. Show at Rick Steves Dot com slash radio and you can always reach us by email are addresses radio. At Rick Steves Dot Com. This sound. She here on the coke. Ota Trail are a world? Apart from the Serenissima of the canals of Venice up next travel writer. Canton's and tells us about his grueling hike from one end of Papua New Guinea to the other it goes through some of the most unforgiving terrain on her travel with Rick. Steves Renton is explored some of the world's most inaccessible places from Mount Arafat to Timbuktu. But he says the most grueling adventure he's ever experienced was crossing the cocoa trail in Papua New Guinea. The single track trail was built. As an overland mail route it goes from the scrappy colonial capital of Port Moresby over six thousand Foot Mountain Ridge to the northern coast of the island for Antonsson. The trail presented him more than the physical challenges of wild terrain weather extremes. It introduced him to the modern realities of tribal world. That's older than civilization recanting Hinson. Welcome to travel with Rick. Steves thank you. It's very nice to be here. So Papua New Guinea it's just sort of fabled us one of the last wild places on earth before we get into the experience you had rick. What's unique about Pony Guinea? It's part of a large island. New Guinea second largest island in the world after Greenland and people are fascinated by the name. Often people think Papua New Guinea is the entire island in fact it is the eastern half. The western half is part of Indonesia. You know it's it's always amazing when you think of the complexity of things down there in the thought that Indonesia is a archipelago violence as big as the continental United States in the same way. Yeah so many people and Fascinating and that that one giant island would be split when we think of Papua New Guinea. It's almost for archaeologists like a treasure chest to studies tribal societies and this sort of thing well and it was fifty thousand years ago when the the first people were arriving there about the same time as early settlement within Australia. They arrived in hesitated pockets somewhere. Inland Valley next to them was another valley of people that they never saw. They didn't have a need for trade and they weren't going to war so they didn't WanNa didn't share languages. They would be more diverse per square mile because of the rugged terrain than somebody who lives in Nebraska. Where there's really no mountain separating people absolutely or even in the Canadian rockies or the the the Swiss Alps anywhere else these pockets in Papua New Guinea were isolated and had no motivation to become not isolated. They connected with each other. Yeah and there was no need for one nation until okay. Colonies were established and then people had all the angst around that and there began to be mobility. So Rick. What made you want to go to this? Remote Corner White happenstance My wife was an airport management with the cans airport in Australia and we moved into a new place. Neighbors came over the night were on and his name is Glen. His friends called monkeys a thorough part of my book walking with Golden Palm Guinea and monk said to me late at night. I'm going to do the KAKADA. Do you want to come? And I said absolutely the might have been a little bit of liquid courage and then he smiled and I said just one thing. What's the `Cocopa and he said to me? Play into the look of naive T on my face. He said it's a walk across the country and I said what country and he said Papua New Guinea and that began at the challenge was on. We shook hands. And you're a Canadian. I'm Canadian and he was an OSCE. He's an ozzy through. And this is one thing we do have to remember for me as an American Pop Warner. Guinea just seems like literally the opposite end of of civilization but for the Australians. It's kind of like going to the Yucatan for an American or something. It is but there's not a comfort with too much trouble there right now. Describe the trail. This you must have learned about the trail You hate it to what what is it. How long is it just physically? What what is the trail? It is grueling. It's about sixty miles long up up down down up and down up down up and down. It is continuous. There are lots of false summits where you think. Well there's the village it can't be very far away and then you spend the next two hours going up and down these. I'm at the top. Oh no there's another top higher up so it is at times real creator of Angst for hiker. It is utterly demanding. They ask you to show medical coverage that will get you helicopter out of their through insurance. If there's anything that happens One recent year for people died on the trump to them in the same week. All heart-related so is it an organized hike. Is this kind of like a guided tour or is just. It's every person for themselves. You have to go with an organized group you do. You are not allowed to go there on your own. Many of the lands are tribal the villages where they let you stay. Do expect some form of compensation. Sometimes they're assisting you they may even help with food but you have to be prepared. You also need to have the safety of group so you don't just go on your own. I was there twenty years ago with my church making a video about work that churches are doing in places like Papua New Guinea and I was really impressed with how important the big man is in each village. You have to meet with the big man and you have to recognize. He's the big man. And if you are on your own you would know who these people are. Necessarily did you encounter that. The the leader we would encounter someone who'd come to greet US upon arrival and our guides. Usually we had two guys. They usually would be the ones that would joust if there was any. You're lucky to have your guys with you absolutely mandatory. And my view is I mean conceivably conceivably you could that this is a hindrance for our freedom but I would imagine doing this particular hike. You're glad you had given the complexities of tribal issues and so on you. You're probably lucky to have local fixers. You are right and then the other thing about that is that sometimes you arrive and you think what we could make camp here and somebody says no you. Can't you have to move on? We'll you're moving on. It's getting dark. You WanNa find a new place so you need to be aligned with the locals. Recantations telling us about his grueling trek across the dakotas trail in Papua New Guinea right now on travel with Rick Steves. He writes about his adventure. And what it showed him in his book. Walking with ghosts in Papua New Guinea repulsive writes about his trek up Mount Arafat in full moon over Noah's Ark about his exploits on the back roads of the desert southwest in route. Sixty six still kicks and about. His African travels in a book called to Timbuktu for a haircut. His website is Rick Atkinson Dot Com. The only souvenir I brought back from Papua New Guinea was three spears and I brought him from this crazy guy and he didn't speak much English but he pointed to each Bernie said fish chicken human well. And it's a land that still has the legacy of cannibalism headhunting. That very much comes to the surface. One of the challenges for me. Writing Walking with ghosts was not sensationalized that but to acknowledge it and how important it was to them as a a tradition and as a practice something that had lots of honor and integrity around it honor and integrity around the head. Hunting was very much a ritual that wasn't just about capturing an enemy it was about taking the soul of the enemy that the whole cannibalism was absorbing the good parts of the enemy. This is a way of triumphing away of growing. This is a way of self enhancement. It's a way of being able to boast to your family or others within your village or competitive villages to be able to have a skull or or the members but part of it was the head hunting the trophy as it were also the cannibalism. The actually consumption of it was to give your body and your of additional strengths that you wouldn't have if you hadn't done that but on your trick. They brought me from the grocery stores. Yes we carried with is actually a lot of freeze dried food. Just because of the way we had porter's which is something else you need to arrange but the villages that I think you would have encountered and that's very much the amazing singing voices of the children. I was so impressed and we had this on several occasions but pounds are wonderful people. But the children's say under the age of Twelve fifteen when they sing and they did often in village to entertain us or inform us. They have some of the most remarkable young voices in the world and in particular when they sing the national anthem which isn't an anthem. You here on sports parties but it is a remarkable song. One of the most beautiful sort of celebratory national hymns. Oh Yeah I remember that. Now that you mentioned that is just there is a sort of Janis. It was just really light and fun. I like that word. John John Genus. Exactly what it was and something related to that. I learned which gives me a a real respect for hell important. It is to go to these places. In the Papua New Guinean language Levi was there was no word for orphan because there would never be a child abandoned. The community always took care of the children. I did not know of that concept. But the closeness of the community. It's like everywhere else in the world. We all kind of want the same things. I'll never forget rick. Standing in a village talking with some of the parents and a kid ran by and they could look at the footprint of that child the barefoot footprint in the sand and know what child that was remarkable and that was a good example to me. Of how tight did they knew every child's footprint in that beautiful village where they had no word for orphan? This is travel with Rick. Steves we're talking with Rick and Rick's telling us about one of the most arduous journey serve his life along the trail in Papua New Guinea. His book is called walking with ghosts in Papua New Guinea. You call this the most grueling adventure sixty miles you know. That's that's a long hike but It's certainly not one of the longer hikes around but in the dense jungle was the temperatures crazy. Were you afraid about your health. Were their animal's swinging from trees. What was it? That made it grueling. Well first of all you media advance at about a mile an hour so if you're out for six or seven hiking hours in a day you haven't really made much progress on sixty mile track size. You're going to be making the commitment of being seven to ten days on the journey. That's if the weather is good the jungle at times as oppressive and all you can see is thirty. Seven shades of green and the fascinating. And if you stop and listen can hear all sorts of noises at are observing. You don't know whether they're predators are birds but the sounds are fantastic particularly at night. When it's as black as black can be your sleeping. You wake up and you think what are those noises? How Vulnerable Am I? And you're happy to be surrounded by some mates. You're probably fully aware that you are such a rookie when it comes to jungle life skills. Isn't that true and these other guys? That's just I'm thirsty. I'm GONNA climb this tree for a coconut. And they make it work. The other thing was that the pollens were to a person or porters. The helpers anyone with the cooking they were absolutely wonderful as hosts and in effect saying this is my country. I will share with you wherever you would like to see or learn about it. They would talk. They would tell stories and we could hear their music late at night or first thing in the morning before we were even. Oh Yeah. That's great so something I should say about. The KAKADA trail is that its prominence has come because during the Second World War. It was the site of fierce fighting between the Australians and the Japanese and it was a different time than the world. We live in today. Societies are different today than they were then but for six months this was and the terms of general macarthur the worst fighting conditions anywhere in World War. Two coincident with this were the Americans at Guadalcanal. So that's the timing in nineteen forty two and we had pretty good weather on the Chota but in nineteen forty two. This September was the wettest September. On record I talked with other truckers. Who have been on there before like our guides and they were there when it was rainy. And you would take ten or twelve days to do what we did in five or six right just because you're clogging slugging yeah. You wrote quite movingly about the Australian military campaigns and how heartbreaking. They must've been. I will tell you twice on the trip. I cried when we were in a a little. Bit of a memorial stopped to talk about Butcher Hill or or Brigade Hill or other places where the battles had been fierce for both sides but to think of the young lives that were were lost in. All of the brutality. I woke up one night and it was foggy the rain and come in and it was dead quiet. It must have been two three in the morning and I was had this fear of what would have been like to be thinking that somebody was maybe twelve feet away and wanted to take your life so emotionally. It was draining. I would say that most places around the world if you go to an old battle site saying Europe it's been modernized or fixed up the access routes. This looks like it did in nineteen forty two with the jungle overgrown to where it wants to the jungle has its way with the path so you are walking through history but it's as it looked in nineteen forty two you wrote about gold prospectors and British colonial forces atrocities. Which was there an awareness that you know white imperialists have read really had a brutal hand here in this on this island on the island of New Guinea the the Spanish the British the Germans there there were colonial powers the Dutch in Indonesia next door so a lot of that played out with sort of the territorial bits and then World War One. Change that about world. War Two changed more dramatically and then in the early Seventies Papua New Guinea became its own independent country with its own flag and national anthem. And its own pride. The sometimes gets tarnished today by the the image of the rascals this or near do wells who had this issue with the the rascals Joe and when you're on a bus going across Papua New Guinea you've got these two bandits out there and they're not gonNA kill you. They're just going to take everybody off for the bus take all their clothes and other jeweler and all their cameras and just leave him naked there and then they're gonNA laugh into the next valley What was the rascal situation for you? So we encountered it not on the trail but when we got to one of the maybe second or third largest community around which is papa data and they were very much around the the compound the we went into the grocery store. Jovan and our motor vehicle and then the gates were closed behind us. We did our shopping. But you'll get protective compound protective armed guards because they're these quote rascals out there and they call them rascals because they're they're not murderous thugs. They're just petty thieves. Is that the dealer. How would you well? They are both of the above so the harder they do. The rascals R. A. S. K. O. L. S. The rascals. Have morphed from being tribal feuds to coming into the major centers not always having jobs becomes the drug trade got a lot of initiation. Sometimes youngsters is not just robbing. But it's a salt and it's very hurtful things there. Also are feuds that remain unresolved from over the years and so there have been stories of of truckers. Being accosted usually is the guides. They are with the bear. The brunt of being accosted by another tribe and there are a lot of tribes. We've got an email here from Richard in Margaret River in Australia and Richard Rights. I taught in the capital city port-moresby at the University of Papua New Guinea for several years. It was very impressed at the language skills of the citizens there. There are over eight hundred languages in Papua New Guinea and most residents understand about three or four of them and actually used several languages. Were you aware of the amount of languages that the society has to deal with their? I became aware of that more through research than encountering it because while we would hear songs in different languages being sung by the porters and some of them spoke different languages they would have toxin or they would have about pigeon version by Papa. New Guinea has eight hundred thirty two different languages. There are six thousand eight hundred eleven languages in the world so it means that a small country small population twenty percent of all the languages in the world around that half an island exactly which has point one percent of the world's population and the only other country with eight hundred living languages is India and there are twelve percent of the world's population so when you juxtapose that it goes back to them. The early settlements were all in pocket valley's spread along the ocean shore up rivers and they survived on their own in their languages. Were totally independent structures. This has traveled. Rick Steves were talking with Rick and his book is walking with ghosts in Papua New Guinea. If you just think why you were there. Was there a moment when you thought this is just an exposure to different world? And you're so thankful that you were there to benefit from that. I would think the middle of the night experiences when you just wake up. One Night I got up. I walked to the abortion was coming back and the stars and I mean they're only nine thousand stars. We actually can see with the naked eye and you could see more in the southern hemisphere than in the northern hemisphere because of the tilt whatever number I looked at they were masquerading as a billion and I felt the intimidation of the night sky and being in a country. Where at that moment? I thought I was possibly the only person awake. So that was humbling and inspiring at the same time. I bet you're glad you took your friends. Offer up to go to Papua Guinean hike the cocoon trail where you know. I would turn to monk every once in a while particularly if we'd gone up something like the wall which is a nearly vertical in your hearts just thumping tonight look at him. I'd say some walk across the country but you're glad you did. I am all right. Rick Acton fascinating the book walking with Ghost in Papua New Guinea. Thanks Rick Thank you travel with. Rick Steves is produced by Tim. 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The primary focus is on curtailing the spread of the virus and creating capacity to treat those who contract it to accomplish this. We've been encouraged off three hundred and thirty million of us to keep to ourselves as much as possible. Practice known as social distancing schools and universities have been shut down along with cultural and religious institutions restaurants and much more the same for sporting events theaters conventions in any other large public gatherings many office buildings emptied with employees ordered to work remotely travel especially on planes and trains is being severely diminished. All this has resulted in the biggest disruption of daily life that many of us have ever known and it will last for weeks perhaps months will it successfully contain the spread of covert nineteen. We'll find out. Hopefully it will at least be minimized. If we listen to the public health people the virologists and the epidemiologists and we should because they've been dreading and studying this kind of pandemic for years. They say the situation will get substantially worse in the US before it gets better. And what other effects and after effects will this social distancing produce there will be many consequences and certainly some unintended ones? Would anyone be surprised? For instance to see a baby boom starting around nine months from now entire industries and segments of our society are being upended. The economic impact will be massive. Obviously some people stand to be hurt badly. Others are more protected and some may well benefit including those who can entertain and deliver and sell to the millions of people who suddenly have few places to go not much to do but the overall economic impact will be hugely negative and will likely require a massive infusion of government aid everything from industry bailouts to rent and tax relief to emergency aid for laid off workers. Stock markets fell thirty percent with one harrowing single-day drop of ten percent and another of twelve percent. Volatility is higher than it's been since the financial crisis of two thousand eight now to be fair before the Cova nineteen pandemic began apparently in Wuhan China the US markets were at an all time high and part of the drop should be attributed to another huge market. Disruption that sort of slipped in under the radar an oil price war between Saudi Arabia and Russia. The fact is there are a lot of things flying under the radar right now a lot of consequences that may come out of the global response to Kobe. Nineteen so we thought. We'd call a few economists whose past research indicates they might have some insight into the future. That's being crafted right now. By the extraordinary changes were all living through. They are Nicholas Blue. Mom Professor of economics at Stanford University Bloom Studies economic uncertainty and the management of firms. Also I'm Toby Moskowitz. I'm a professor of finance economics at Yale University and I study financial markets and sports and finally my name is Marshall Burke I am an economist at Stanford University. I'm an environmental economist. So I study. How CHANGES IN THE ENVIRONMENT SHAPE? Range of human outcomes health outcomes economic outcomes livelihoods more broadly. We'll talk about the sudden spike in working from home and online learning about the super volatile stock markets and believe it or not one silver lining in the black pandemic cloud all. That's coming up right. After this from stitcher and reductions this is Freakonomics Radio. The podcast that explores the. Here's your host Stephen Duffner. Let's start with an overview of the economy itself in the age of Kobe. Nineteen Years Nick Bloom so there are two things. I think happening. Now I is. There's clearly a tremendous negative Schulkin. Both demand and supply business shutting down transportation. Tourism is falling. So that's what's called a first moment. We know for sure. That's bad news. This is second fact thrown on top of that which is incredible uncertainty in particular left tail. Risk what is left. Tail Risk Mean. Please left how risk is very bad outcomes so riskin in theory both the good side and the bad side so there's upside risk downside risk the Kovic nineteen really only has oviously downside risk taught to see anything good coming out this and this additional uncertainty historically has turned out to be really costly for the economy because businesses pause hiring or investing. So it'd be pretty confident saying now already in a recession. How bad it will be is hard to tell you know. Some of the latest work in academia is about network Effects Nets Toby Moskowitz so you know take the NBA who just postpone the season. You know the vendors the suppliers. All the periphery industries including people that work at the stadiums. Taxis hotels they're all going to be affected by the civil see. That trickling affect happened as well. I wonder if you could talk for minute about the difference between being right now salaried full-time employees versus being an hourly or non salaried worker and how it strikes me that that may be a huge split bifurcation. That one class is going to do much better than the other. Am I wrong on that or right on that? You're right so on. The one hand is folks like menu that are on salary and then Kinda relaxed in some senses. We have all kinds of issues with kids health risks but at least not worried about losing our income and then on the other hand there are people that are highly pay I think life is substantially harder yet still full because they also get a gum which puts them higher exposure risks and when the recession happens. They're the ones that are easiest for the funds to lay off. Can you think of an example from history the recent or distant of how in a case like this where workers especially the most vulnerable workers have the rug pulled out from under them a case where government and or private firms responded? Well to this problem. I mean unfortunately when you look at recessions generally lower skilled lower pay too much worse. When have been good response? You know I'm scratching my head to think about him and there was things like Ford on their five dollar a day which is famous in the thirty stepped in to guarantee work. Because you know an honest living wage in recent times I mean the last twenty thirty years that she labor markets have generally been moving to be more flexible and so it's become easier for firms to lay people off particularly hourly workers in fact we're already starting to see some layoffs from this. They would be you see. It bakeries restaurants things of that nature. Those are going to be the first to go. And that's something. Where policy makers and economists has to think about to sort of smooth out this disruption. Would you do well? I think one of the answers and it seems like this is a you know. I'm sure there's some debate but my reading of the news has been that it's been fairly. Bipartisan is longer paid. Leave from work that I think has to help. But that's again for full time employees. I don't know what we do about. I mean some sort of safety net for people I think would be important when there's such a high level of economic uncertainty especially one produced by you know this massive disruption or shock. What does that do to monetary or fiscal policy? Does it rob it of some of its typical power? Yes as we speak much twelfth the S&P five hundred fell almost ten percent which is actually the second biggest drop since World War. Two and more surprising was halfway through the day. The Fed and the European Central Bank both stepped in to try and provide stimulus to the market. And you know it's like blowing against the wind so the mock it briefly went up and then just kept falling down so unfortunately monetary policy and fiscal policy the government tax spending. I think has pretty limited effect on slowing down in this case. Was it really the uncertainty or just the magnitude of the fear right now you know the primary reason why the feds move wasn't you know consequential is the damaging impact. Covey nineteen is so large. There's not much they can do. The other thing that's worth bearing in mind is of course before we went into this two weeks ago. Interest rates very low. F- You know we just for a war against the great recession in two thousand and eight two thousand nine. We really hadn't reloaded also and suddenly no. The biggest Manian site appears on the horizon so economist at worried about this for a while one of the reasons people wanted actually the Fed to put up interest rates a bit over the last two or three years so that we had some ammunition. The President President trump had very vocally said that he wanted to keep rates as low as possible. Jay Powell the chair. The Fed reportedly had had inclinations in going the opposite direction over the past several years but instead either them or kept lowering them. I mean is this exactly the kind of instance where you wanted to keep that powder dry with benefit of hindsight it was a mistake in particular have massive tax cuts over last two three years. Because we're actually growing very foster would have been much better as to push down the government debt so that right now when we really need it we could spend money. Normally you want to have big blowouts in recessions to support the economy and you know. Earn your savings back in the booms and instead we're in the hangover from you know spending in a boom and suddenly hit with the recession has very little money left in the bank so the fiscal position I think is is much more warring because there we should have been generating a supplements that were the big deficit this past Sunday after we spoke the Federal Reserve cut its rates to nearly zero and also announced it would buy at least seven hundred billion dollars in government bonds move known as quantitative easing to try to keep markets from locking up the Stock Markets. Were not mollified. They fell another twelve percent on Monday. Let's face it if we're not transacting with each other for some long period of time that will take a toll I mean. Think about the airlines if the airlines aren't making any money for awhile and can't run their routes that's GonNa Affect lots of businesses and all of that's going to go down for a while. Now the thought is of course that as soon as everything jumps back up the airlines kick. Start and start flying again. If that takes some time it may take a little bit longer to recover. But I'm hopeful that won't be the case the last time we saw a stock market meltdown. Like this was after the The financial crisis began to really gather steam. And what we saw was a lot of investors institutional but a lot of individual investors really panicked when the markets ended up falling and many people sold low and then as the recovery started they ended up buying high. I think we all understand the emotional component of that especially for people who are a little bit older and they just want to preserve the capital as a finance person who's seen a few of these rises and falls now over the past few decades. Do you have any general advice for people? Yes I have very specific advice. Don't touch it. One of the basic findings for economics is Yukon out. Think the market anytime people try to time the market. They ended up doing far more damage than they help themselves. It's very difficult to do. As one example I had many colleagues. These are famous economists. Who said last week I'm buying? I'm buying like crazy. This'll be a blip. They're all sorry they did. And here's wearing with the sharks because the other side of that trade is Gazan Wall Street. The eight Falange retail investors. Like us. The don't really know what we're doing so what I've always done and I'm not the only financial economists that would tell you many of us would is you have a long term strategy you stick to it and you can't be blindsided or emotional about the short term blips about them so the best advice is actually not to look investing is of course specific pursuit if you are an older investor or if you've been putting money in a five twenty nine plan for your kids college tuition and they're already deep into high school then a thirty percent drop in the market has different implications than if you've got longer horizon. In any case we should probably expect stock market volatility to continue for the near term especially because covert nineteen has created so much volatility in how the biggest companies in the world are doing business apple closed most of its retail stores around the world Microsoft Google and Amazon have enacted mandatory work from home policies for most employees. What will the effect of that be and will cove in nineteen provide researchers and opportunity to measure all these effects? Yes much as you know. Aircraft engine is investigate crash sites. Economists were investigate. You know what happened off Dacoven? Nineteen Nick Bloom. Probably knows more about working from home than just about anyone. You'll ever meet not just because he's a professor and not because he's lazy but because he studied this very question somewhat coincidentally six years ago. We ran a study out in Shanghai in China where a large online travel agent could see trip. Which is really like. China's version of Expedient Day decided to allow employees to work from home because they found office patient. Shanghai was expensive as they asked a thousand employees. Who wanted to work from home? An interest in the only five hundred them volunteered. Despite the factor employs on average or commuting thirty minutes each of those five hundred employees then randomized them by birthday. They randomized them so that the experiment would be truly an experiment and not an exercise in self selection and then retract them for nine months and what we find with three things firstly employees working from home. So these people I should say we'll booking telephone calls are making processing data on computers. So they were kind of individual working jobs they were thirteen percent more productive. I mean sometimes is a huge increase and the reasons they told us was you know a quarter. They could concentrate more the be actually they just tended to what the full shift rather than spending as much time at lunch or arriving late or you know taking long breaks secondly that quit rights hogged many the much referred working from home and didn't WanNA leave their job. And thirdly once he controlled for performance since they were performing better they actually won't getting promoted any foster so there is some stinging the tail that being home seem to reduce your ability to get promoted. It sounds like good news at productivity and happiness and all these things can increase on. The other hand is sounds like that job that you were looking at lends itself particularly well to working from home. Yes yes as you said. A couple of major caveats. So he's really not team job. So that's why you can be at home for five days a week. The second point was off the end. The study they then ask employees to re decide what they wanted to work from home. We'll come back in the office and half of the employees said often spending nine months and they didn't like it. They felt isolated and lonely and volunteered to come back into the office. So for me. The warnings from you know the cove experiment is a the type of working from home or talking about now is very extreme. It's fulltime five days a week. It should not less than five percent of Americans currently do that. Lots of people work from home a day a week but very few people. What from home full time. It's kind of like comparing going to the gym sporadically with marathon training. So it's pretty extreme and be as you say we tested employs at don't need to spend time together and most people do and see the Cova threat. Could well go on for months and months. I really worry about a big take-up in people getting depressed mental health issues which leads to health issues more. Generally because of the isolation it could lead my prediction is. We'll find that people that do you know routine jobs may perform okay at home but for the majority of us. I think it's GonNa be pretty painful personally with old the loneliness and I suspect we'll be pretty damaging for productivity particularly time goes on so I think there's one or two weeks it wouldn't be so bad but if it stretches onto three to six months I think he's going to be hugely damaging economically as you gather that data and I suspect a lot of companies are doing this. You can get a sense of well. What is the productivity loss? If any from having people work at home toby Moskowitz again. And this might be useful for when you know when you're hiring employees. Some of them want to. Let's say come to the office three days a week and work at home two days a week. Sometimes there's pushback on that but it's not really backed by data this will give us a chance to to make that assessment and this might be a nice way to force everybody to actually run this experiment and see what happens. I think another thing that's going to be damaged in the long run actually is if everyone's working from home there's not going to be that kind of workplace discussions. Coffee Table discussions lunchtime tolkien. Most it turns out is important for long run innovation so day to day. We can get along with you. Know if you're dealing with the same current customers will same ideas but when you're examined businesses or scientists we've no adoumin research a Lotta. That creativity comes from idle time and relaxed discussion and colleagues. And that's all gone so I also worry the united five ten years out from now we will see this as another lowering long run growth rate because we've taken a big hit to innovation you know a lot about management and leadership and firms that are successful and unsuccessful. What do you think might be learned along those lines from the covert nineteen situation? So have you have a great manager? That's very organized can deal with. Change that inspires the employees. They can survive this. But I think chaotic and disorganized fum could literally fall apart and fat. Already we start to see bankruptcies head up. Is there anything you can point to that? Really good leaders do or don't do in a crisis. What one narrow piece of advice around working from home would be to try and regularly check in with your employees? So it's an unusual thing to do but we're an unusual times. You could easily set up every day. You know beginning of the end of the day. Ten fifty minutes face to face one on one SKYPE COAL. And just you know. Chew the fact it's going to be really important for employees to feel like somebody's that caz about Ms Nelson says it may mean that managers are GonNa lose. Frankly you know three or four hours a day on these one on one meetings but I feel without that they could lose contact and be. Employees could become seriously depressed and lonely. Well it's the same argument that people had with the school closing so it's very costly to closer school. People work now. What do you do with your kids? The kids aren't learning. I get all that those are cost. I think people are making the wrong comparison though you can't compare the cost of doing this versus not doing it not doing. It's not an option. The question is you do it now for a shorter period of time or do it later for a much longer period of time. All the things you're mentioning are definite costs. I don't think we can avoid them. At this point many people including us on the show have kind of complained about her agitated against the standard set up with meetings in corporate America. We have a lot of meetings and many people feel that those meetings are beyond not productive but actually onerous intrusive. Do you have any thoughts on whether this might change meeting culture in any way well? Nobody hits meetings more than professors. That's for sure but everybody feels this way. I'll give an example. I had at the university today. A couple of meetings scheduled. That wasn't coming in to do this. I would have cancelled completely instead. I said well. Let's not all get together in a room. That seems stupid at this time. Why don't we try this on zoom which is just a teleconference? It worked just fine. I mean initially. There was a little awkwardness where people introduce themselves. And a few of the you know I would call them. The old schoolers said well. This is why we don't like these things. Seattle awkwardness once. We got into it. The meeting was far more efficient. And what was slated for a half hour meeting ten minutes and we resolved too quickly. Many people hate commuting and most people in the next you know period of time weeks months are going to be commuting a lot less once we return or if and when we return to normalcy. Do you think it's going to be hard to get people to get back on that commuting wagon? Nobody likes commuting. It's actually the number one thing on surveys. That people say they hate the most and I think the longer this goes. You'll have more requests for. Hey look do this commute three days a week but dot five as we know for the last twenty years. The prices of property in the center cities of surged young people in particular one. I live in downtown areas. If suddenly we switched to working from home you can easily see that reversing so can easily see the being kind of satellite towns but they would all be relatively cheaper and we could spread out more uniformly. So yeah I think for. The housing market working from home is a big mass. Rollout COP property present center of cities. I'm curious you know once. People are ordered to work from home and then they all of a sudden. They're not having to commute. They're not having to Tuck in his shirt etc. Maybe they don't even change your underwear I don't know. Do you think getting some of those people back to work especially back to the commute everyday will be difficult to a lot of firms in the US and international about working from home that kind of reluctant to do it then nervous that they let the genie bottle. And you know it's hard to reverse it. I actually think this experience is going to force a lot more serious thinking about working from home and see a big spike up some of which will definitely be beneficial the long run these are just a few and perhaps the most predictable of the countless economic and social side effects will be seen from the cove in nineteen response. What are you seeing? Let us know at radio AT ECONOMICS DOT COM coming up after the break. How will education work with? Schools and universities suddenly shifting to online teaching. And if you are in desperate need of silver lining well there is one clearly. 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The most economists didn't think much about including addiction. And what did Becker argue? Is the most addictive in the world other people. We are for the most part social animals. What kind of animals will we be without the socializing? We're about to find out one of the biggest changes right now. One of the biggest unplanned experiments of the Kobe nineteen era has to do with remote teaching and learning schools and universities across the US and elsewhere have been shut down. Yes I'm for closed. Yeah that's what they've done here at Yale to those again. Are The economists Nicholas Bloom and Toby Moskowitz? We're talking about Kobe. Nineteen as a natural experiment that will allow people like you to measure the efficacy of remote teaching. So can you envision? Actually doing that or someone doing that study. What kind of data would be needed? What kind of timeframe would be useful etc? You May compact courses to save courses taught in person Lost Year. See May say look. We've got ten years of basically the same course and then suddenly this series online. What do the grades look like? What the loan outcomes look like an Stanford for example e. Komitch is one of our key. Courses was talk in full spring and winter quarters secret. Look at took it face to face law school to us as the ones next cool. They're going to take it entirely online and see how they do in years. Two three and four. And what's your suspected conclusion? Do you think that there are some kind of antiquated inefficiencies in the system that could be you know eliminated and even though it'd be a shame that it took something like cove in nineteen to produce is? Kinda CHANGE THAT. There might be a lot of benefits to some forms of remote learning optimistic. That remote learning is going to be that successful. The reason is from personal experience. I feel a lot. My value added is alcohol. The personal trainer effect. You know giving stints motivation. You're forcing people to focus for an hour and a half for example. Probably the biggest single improvement in my teaching was the year the I band laptops and cell phones from being used in the class and you know it was miraculous. Suddenly everyone pays attention whereas when it's offline it's so easy to get distracted by you know watching the football all seeing the news or watching the stock market so let me pretend to be cynical for a moment and say well the kind of person who would measure this affect long-term in other words remote teaching actually bring some gains and that might eliminate a lot of live professorial activity. The kind of people who'd come up with that are professors. So is this in the best interest or in the interest all of anyone to actually studying come that conclusion yes absolutely. I think you know as economists want progress. So imagine professes consistently teach Much more efficiently by recording a class once then having played on video then accused we can spend time more one on one mischievous might have been. The highest value added is sitting down with individual students and going through their research papers. And if we could spend hours every day on that. I think every much valuable for students such then just reciting material they could learn out of a textbook so many universities have already spent a lot of time in a fair amount of money putting their courses online and then there are four profit firms. Corsair and others who have pretty robust platforms. And I see that. The take-up numbers are not insubstantial. But considering how difficult and expensive and timely it is to attend college go to four years worth of college. I've been shocked at how low the take-up rates are for online learning. And I'm curious weather. You'd think that this might adjust that. Here's my view on this and just as from twenty five years of teaching myself. I find if you're just teaching facts and methods that can be done almost as well online is a can live. You can even argue even better online because you can supplement it with video materials and you can record it right and get it perfect if you're trying to teach someone how to think and you're trying to teach them. Let's say how to do research? Try to ask an interesting question and get a scientific answer. That's much more hands on. So if I'M TEACHING BASIC INVESTMENTS. What's a stock? What's a bond? I think I can do that just as well online as I can in the classroom. But if you're talking about training students had to think right and how to really you know whether it's writing in English essay or a writing a poem or you know coming up with a computer program that does X. or you know thinking about how to price some obscure private equity firm that I think requires a lot more back and forth on a lot more interaction and I suspect that the reason that we still have the university model is that's what they're trying to do what I tell my students is. I'm trying to teach you how to think because what I teach. Today may not be relevant. Five ten twenty years from now. But if you know how to think about it you'll be able to figure it out. You know when Lebron James is very terrible analogy but you know. There's a reason that basketball players WANNA play in front of fans. I have to say whenever and Economists Compares himself to Lebron James. I'm all ears okay. It wasn't going there. I swear but making making a very poor analogy. Well the analogy is okay. But it's a very very different scale. Which is you know when you're teaching you're reacting to your students. You see their faces. You see their questions. You see confusion. Sometimes you see I like go on. That's very difficult to do. Even though you see their faces on the flat screen. It's not quite the same for an athlete. It must be a hundred times like that right and I sorta get with. That since comes from so now it's in my interest to say that that's the case if it turns out we could teach just as effectively remotely. Well that's a whole different paradigm for a guy like me for academics. It's been in some sense a real opportunity to explore other ways of doing things. It's Marshall Burke the environmental economist at Stanford so all the conferences. I was going to go to the spring. Have been cancelled. I've sent my lab group home so I hold my lab meetings online. We've had speaker candidates online and I was skeptical that it would work well initially and actually I think it's working quite nicely. And I really hope that we learned that lesson. And then we do. Some of these substitutions. There's no reason I need to fly to the east coast. You know many times a year to give talks. Why can't we just do it remotely? I think this will give us the opportunity to explore the benefits of these other modes of economic production. So I think this is going to generate huge amounts of experimentation and teaching and in the long run some good. But it's very painful right now you know when we think about schooling especially in the early ages socialization seems to be a big benefit. Or at least that's what people say so right now. We're seeing all levels of schools being closed around the US and other places from pre K. Up Through graduate school so I'm curious if you have any thoughts about what kind of unintended or knock on effects that may have you know I think socialization is actually really important. It's also interesting that the American system has been criticized heavily for doing not that well an international comparable math test and reading tests but Americans have very good socializing. And I don't think it's a coincidence is lots of American startups successful CEOS and entrepreneurs if Pontus Socialization Process. You know from an early age. American kids are taught to argue to speak up. And I think that will be lost if we Move entirely to online homebase. Teaching Martial Burke has already moved his own young children to home based teaching. We pulled our kids out of school this morning and already two hours into our homestay they were punching each other in the face so I am not optimistic about the livelihood improvements from these. Stay at home weeks. We should say they are twins right. They are twins so they like punching each other in the face. Are they both boys by any chance to girls? Actually it cuts across all genders. Apparently here's how burke describes the work. He does as an environmental economist. So I study. How CHANGES IN THE ENVIRONMENT SHAPE? Range of Hume Outcomes. How comes economic outcomes livelihoods more? Broadly can you talk for a second? Let your past research on the association between climate. Change and violence. So one thing we've done is a symbol historical data from around the world on violent outcomes. And what we find is a very strong linkage between changes in temperature and increases in various types of violence so temperatures go up you actually see more homicides in the US you see more civil wars in sub Saharan Africa so this is not a new finding it comes through very clearly in many different data sets. And can you explain just on a kind of behavioral level the mechanism by which that happens so? They're multiple mechanisms that are consistent with this effect. I think we're still trying to understand. Exactly which one or which combination of them is most important? There's a physiological mechanism so psychologists have shown for a long time. That if you just put people in a room and turn up the temperature you can piss them off even if there's no one else in the room but patterns of social engagement also changed so warm evening. Many more people are out on the street and maybe there enough difference. Social interactions that lead to an increase in crimes and these larger scale changes declines in economic productivity or other outcomes is the standard explanation for why you would see things like civil war conflict increase when temperatures go up. Sa- given all that I am curious if you have any predictions about a similar association between violence and Covert Nineteen. Because again you've got the regular living patterns of many many many people it's going to be billions of people around the world. Being disrupted everything from going to work versus not going to work versus how they eat versus how they interact etc and I am curious whether that potential makes you anxious interested to measure etc etc. Absolutely interesting to measure. I would think most of the measures being put in place to reduce the spread of cove. Nineteen are reducing social interaction. That's explicitly their goal. And so you my knife. Prediction would be that that. Would you know reduce at least many types of individual crime now? If things got bad enough where resources were constraints. Could things get a lot worse? I think so anecdotally. A lot of people are buying weapons here in the US so to me that suggests that some people think that broader scale violence could break out. I very strongly hope. That's not the case. But that's clearly a concern of some people. Okay so the big reason we wanted to speak with you. Today was about this recent work. You've done specifically related to Kobe. Nineteen and an unintended consequence of the lockdown in China sure so a few months into the Covet nineteen epidemic in China where it started NASA published some really startling photos of changes in air quality over China Chinese had taken very aggressive action to limit the spread of the virus and that had economic consequences. And you could actually see these from space too. Many factories have been shuttered. People are not going to work. So what NASA showed was a dramatic reduction in air pollution across a lot of China and as an environmental economists. Were very interested in air pollution. Why it changes what effect it has on economic things we care about in the world. So I and many other environmental economists immediately thought you know this could be in some sense. A silver lining in the epidemic clearly the was causing an immense amount of harm on the ground but it was also reducing air pollution and we have decades of research suggesting that airport is really bad for health outcomes and so any reductions in air pollution are going to be good. On average for health outcomes. There was another reason example of a sudden drop in air pollution also in China in two thousand eight. Chinese officials wanted the air around Beijing cleaned up ahead of the two thousand eight Olympics. At that point Beijing has some of the dirtiest air in the world. And so what we saw in late. Two thousand seven and really in two thousand eight was one of the most dramatic efforts to rapidly cleanup air quality that we've probably seen anywhere throughout human history. They raise the price of gasoline to encourage people to not drive. They prohibited certain polluting vehicles from being on the roads at all. They shut down a range of manufacturing plants cement manufacturer concrete manufacturer they for some of the large steel plants to either. Turn off or to actually relocate and all of this had a really dramatic effect on air quality air quality improved by about a third in the span of just a couple of months and this was all temporary suspension then correct. This was temporary suspension Olympics. Were done and all these constraints were lifted and once the constraints were lifted. Where did the air pollution quality go back to so it went back to its previous? Very high levels. Unfortunately and was that relatively short amount of time with less air pollution enough to substantially improve people's long term health outcomes so it turns out it was so you can compare how mortality change in Beijing relative to other cities that did not see this dramatic change in air pollution so the researchers found very large reductions in child and infant mortality and very large reductions in old age mortality. What can you tell us about the in utero effects of air pollution? This has been studied a lot in the context of the Clean Air Act in the US which led to pretty substantial improvements in air quality across the US and people again find really large effect so exposure to air pollution in utero leads to later life outcomes reductions in earnings poor health over all so air. Pollution does not have to kill you to make you worse off so when Marshall Burke saw those NASA maps showing a decrease in air pollution across China due to Covert Nineteen. He went to the data. And what kind of drop did he find? So the percentage drop was actually quite close to what we saw in the Beijing Olympics. Ab slightly smaller. I would say a twenty percent improvement in air quality and with the Olympics. You mentioned that the drop was very variable a very concentrated on Beijing. If you were to look at all of China a couple months into Kobe nineteen versus before you see a drop pretty much everywhere or is it mostly in the places where cove in nineteen was particularly concentrated so the data are still rolling in on this but the reductions do seem to be the largest in places where covert nineteen was most serious. The satellite data indicate that. Wuhan you know saw an immediate in very large decline in economic activity in that led to decline in air. Pollution cities in southern China have seen the largest overall decreases in air pollution. And that's because in the north places like Beijing actually home heating is an important source of energy use and also a source of pollution. And that hasn't changed that much actually in Beijing. You've seen next to no decrease in air pollution due to cove in nineteen. That's both because the air pollution in because Cement factories actually don't like to turn off their blast furnaces. It's really expensive to stop them and then start them again so they like to just leave him on if they can and sort of. Try to wait it out. And that's what they've done and so you've seen sort of decline in air pollution around Beijing. Sort OF IRONICALLY. All right so tell us what you believe will be the relationship between this reduction in pollution and mortality in China so I- calculated that this reduction in pollution will likely save fifty thousand lives across China. I want to emphasize that this is. It's a prediction in a sense. It's not a measurement using these estimates of the relationship between air pollution and mortality that we know from other studies so what those estimates tell us is that the gains are concentrated again among the very young and among very old. So those fifty thousand. Let's call them. Saved lives saved in quotes. Because it's somewhat speculative or predictive. That in your estimate as we speak with a moving target granted would compare to how many lives lost due to covert nineteen directly directly so far there have been around three thousand lives lost to cover the nineteen in China that number continues to go up but go up much more slowly. China seems to have really turned the corner on this. So it's about you know. Twenty Times fifteen to twenty times higher. Death saved from air pollution. I want to emphasize that the three thousand deaths they're just direct attributed deaths to cover nineteen that does not count all the the the immense disruption. That's happened that could have led to additional deaths other people not being able to get treated for non covert related diseases those we have yet to really observe and the mortality statistics and so a full accounting will need to you know. Take those into account and we just don't have the data to do that yet if we were to focus for just another minute on the silver lining. I'm curious about other behavioral responses to cove in Nineteen in China So air pollution fell enough to have a big positive effect. Transportation is a substantial contributor to air pollution so did transportation fall enough to lead to maybe a big drop in traffic fatalities as well. I think that's an interesting question. And again one that would have to be studied once we have more mortality data in in settings in which car accidents are a large share of mortality or for certain demographics like young otherwise healthy demographic through which car accidents are the leading cause of death and many parts of the world. I think you would expect a reduction in traffic deaths. I can imagine people listening to this and say this. Professor Burke sounds like a nice person and a thoughtful person and a bright person. But he's such an economist. There is a global pandemic going on and he's finding this silver lining in this gigantic black cloud that you're identifying what might be. Let's say forty five thousand fewer deaths in China because of less air pollution versus the deaths from Kobe. Nineteen so I'm just curious. Does it feel and I don't mean to ask you to hoist yourself on your own petard. But does it feel somewhat awkward or do you feel guilty or conflicted anyway? In kind of examining the specifics of that silver lining. While the world is in such shock and uproar. It feels terribly awkward and it was a calculation. I could do because I had the data but I would hesitate to even call it a silver lining to to step back. I did this calculation. I tweeted it out and a lot of the response was like well. You know this is terrible and you're not accounting for all the other negative consequences that a large pandemic like this would have on health system and I think that's right and those have been the stories coming out of Italy and coming out of China right if you have any other. Health Complication. Unrelated cove in nineteen is going to be very hard to get treatment. The silver lining is relevant right. Now let's focus on the dark cloud and getting the dark cloud under control epidemics terrible. They result in an immense amount of human suffering. That is going to continue to happen in our country and that is where our focus needs to be and none of my silly calculations should take away from that to me what this calculation does highlight though and unfortunately what things like Ovid nineteen or other dramatic events. Bring into focus is what's going on when we don't have pandemics and if anything the pandemic can help highlight the negative effects of our everyday actions so I guess ideally what you'd want to think is after the recovery from this pandemic. What you'd have is policymakers. Look at your data and your conclusions. And say WHOA. Let's not wait for the next pandemic to curtail pollution. Look how many lives it saves right. That's right and I think the Chinese government you've actually seen pollution levels. Come down pretty dramatically in the last few years. China's already making progress on this problem and I think should be commended for that. Economists really liked to think in cost-benefit terms let's weigh the positives and let's way the negatives unless compare them to me. That's not obviously the right way to go. And an epidemic. Let's just think of this. Let's focus on the negative. Let's not do a cost benefit calculation of epidemics. I think that's just the wrong framing overall despite that being what we always want to do. But let's use the epidemic to learn about things we could do better when we don't have epidemics. I think that's the way to think about it. Let's pretend for a minute that you know God willing the pandemic turns out to be less fatalist damaging than it certainly could be and that in a couple months time things seem to be getting back to what would seem to be pre cove in nineteen normal. Do you really think that people will. For instance decide not to congregate as much. Do you think that online learning or remote working any of these other substitutes will actually stick around? That's a great question. And Yeah honestly I have no IDEA I. I mean I'm old enough now to remember. When computing started to become pretty widely available and a lot of smart people said well that is the end of cities. It's the end of in-person work period. Everybody's GonNa live in Fiji or wherever they want and it just didn't happen in fact the opposite happened. This prepping quickly turned out to be incredibly. Valuable and urban has risen and risen arisen. So I'm curious about what curiosities you may have to what kind of lasting effect you may. WanNa look for as an economist. Yes so economic. Historians certain economic historians point to these critical junctures in history where it wasn't slow change but something specific happens that set entire countries or entire economies on a different course so obviously remains to be seen whether this specific epidemic in hopefully it subsides and we get it under control when it goes away. What happens but one idea? 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We'll continue our look at students being sent out of state to deal with behavioral problems. We'll find out just how difficult the first year was for those farmers growing helping. No one on and we'll try to find out if there such a thing as midwest nice all that and more this hour on statewide steam training with can help educators. Prepare students for careers in science technology. Engineering the arts and Mathematics Peter Midland reports in a recent training that showed teachers how to stay on the cutting edge of classroom tech. A group of teachers hold their phones in front of their faces in using the camera. They're looking at the classroom. They're standing in when suddenly a Zombie appears then a warning that they need to reach a safe house or they'll be eaten alive with that they face a series of locked doors and to open them an escape the grasp. They need to answer series of vocabulary questions. Wait what this is. An augmented reality game about zombies. Yes but it's also a language arts lesson for middle school students. The session was part of the steaming up conference and Northern Illinois University. And if you don't know what augmented or virtual reality means or what the differences. Here's a breakdown. Virtual reality is when you put on a headset or glasses that drops you into a new. Three dimensional world. Augmented reality is when a device or APP alters your perception of your world think of the Popular Mobile Game Pokemon go where the pocket monsters you want to catch pop up on your phone screen. Scamper across your yard wherever your phone cameras pointed hell. Brinson is an undergraduate researcher. At present a are you says raise technology besides like Oh that's cool especially education like what are actually gaining from seeing the ocean. Vr headset. Like what can we measure about? What can we create that? That question is the crux of this conference. Stacey Oh Daniel teaches business education and technology at Genoa Kingston High School. This is her first year in the classroom after years as an education administrator in the private sector. Oh Daniel knows she has some catching up to do especially when it comes to new technology and she hopes conferences like this one can help her learn more to keep up with students she also attended another Ar VR workshop. In the fall. I took my students and they taught me. They like to research. What was out there? And they brought those applications back to me and that's how we move forward with it. So it really was a student led project she first started integrating the Ar Vr lessons with her school computer club so they really like the science ones where they can look at the human body and focus in on different parts and see what each part does and how it relates to another part just being introduced to the concepts and platforms is useful especially as Ar VR become more mainstream and while Genoa kicks in highschool students explore that surgeons at Stanford University Medical Center Three D models in. Vr To simulate surgeries they can use images from their actual patient to their strategy before they even break any skin. The education system has to change and we have to meet these kids where they're at for example the AR VR kids are learning through this. And we're meeting them where their skill sets are instead of trying to put them in our box. But collaboration isn't limited to conferences. It's also online. How Brinson says metaverse? The augmented reality APP. The teachers were using is a great example. Another reason we chose metaverse. It already has an existing online teacher community so you can look and browse through different games. Matthew Sweat is an undergraduate researcher. Studying applied mathematics at you in another session. He gave educators the basics of unity. It's a software. Engine used to build video games. I just wanted to go through it a bit so that you're not completely overwhelm. Sweat built a makeshift catapult in in the software. Three D space. Then he dropped a weight on it and launches a ball across the screen. The software gives you the tools to learn how to build video games with little to no coding experience. Luckily like metaverse. There's an online ecosystem in place to help you learn. Students and teachers can find step by step tutorials quick recipes for simple games as a high school student. If you handed me this software a bunch of videos and said this is how a video games are made. I went to the even needed a classroom setting and Stacey O. Daniel hopes to inspire that kind of curiosity when she takes the tools back to her classroom for the next generation of programmers engineers and artists. I'm Peter Madeline. There's early voting. Illinois's primary begins next month. States automatic voter registration. System is under scrutiny. Elected officials from both parties. Say They want answers as to how more than five hundred non. Us citizens were registered met Dietrich spokesman for the State Board of elections says only a small portion of them actually voted. There were only a total of nineteen ballots cast over three different elections by these sixteen individuals. You have certain individuals who voted in multiple elections secretary of State Jesse White and his office have taken full responsibility for the error and say the glitch has been resolved automatic. Voter registration is available when people get a driver's license or state ID. Some Republicans have called for suspending automatic registration until MORE DETAILS EMERGE. Democrats are planning a legislative hearing to find out what went wrong. And what can be done to prevent it from happening again? Listeners have heard some of our series on Illinois students being sent out of states many for behavior modification programs one response we got was from. Marcus chatfield these currently working toward his PhD. At the University of Florida. He studied total listrik programs for teens and he spoke with our education. Reporter Dusty Rhodes. I have been interested in this topic since the nineteen eighties when I was placed in straight incorporated as a teenager straight INC was a massive drug treatment program that operated forty three centers across eighteen states until nineteen ninety-three. That's when it shut down facing investigations. Documenting abuse and multimillion dollar judgments in several lawsuits are experimented with marijuana as a teenager and I was having trouble at school and the program trained me to believe that I had the disease of chemical dependency and trained me to believe that the other kids in the program has disease to and needed to be treated as well and I believe it was treatment at the time but now back. I'll see you wasn't treatment in any sense of the term straight operated in warehouses and used marathon rap sessions divorce residence to confront each other about drug. Use chatfield reconnected with some of his straight peers. As an adult two thousand four I discovered online. There was a lot of discussion from people who were in straight and people who are in I don't know hundreds of different programs and there was a lot of people who had a really similar experience to me is a graduate student at the University of Florida. He decided to study their experiences. Were his thesis. He distributed a survey to adult too inexperienced therapeutic boarding schools treatment centers and wilderness programs and sorted their responses into two groups based on whether they rated their experience as good or bad he didn't interviewed fifteen from each group. And you know I worked to give a balanced representation and I can tell you that. Some of the feedback received is that it's biased with a positive slant because in my sample the vast majority of people who completed this questionnaire how to really negative experience and in order to represent you know the more positive perspectives. I ended up interviewing every single person. Who had a positive experience but because the vast majority had a more negative experience? I did a random sampling from people who had a more negative experience. I did notice that. If if it's like to get fifteen in the highly positive group and fifteen and the low opinion group you had to take all comers for the high quality and just a random sample of the vast majority Yeah I was struck by the fact that some of the people who founded beneficial were conflicted about that. Can you give me remind me? When example of that there were several adults who after they got out of treatment their substance abuse got worse or addictions got worse. Their lives really went downhill but now looking back on the program they even though it was hard even though some of them described it as abusive their strongest feeling or the most prominent feeling was that they were trying to help or that'd did plant seeds that eventually we're beneficial even if it was twenty years after the fact I think you said that a state license is no guarantee of the quality of a program right a lot of the programs that were represented in my study. Most of them were state licensed. Do you see any common pattern. Among places that have more positive outcomes versus places that that don't I mean. Do you have any way of telling parents or school? Districts look for these signs of void those signs well. I did a statistical analysis of my sampling data. It's not in my thesis but I've submitted it to journal. It's under review. But the strongest predictor of low quality of experience is the total listrik nature of the program. So the more total Listrik the program. The lower the quality of experience total listrik programs are designed to change the whole person to do that. They control all communication imposes. Strict system of rules and punishments improvised a ladder privileges to inspire teenagers to conform. They also harnessed the power of peer pressure. Often using group sessions in which teams are encouraged to confront each other many programs use these methods other they refer to them by different names and my studied did not look at you know. I didn't explore. Well what program is the best? I didn't do it like that but what I can say is that when I analyze the sampling data. The more total Listrik program the lower the quality of experience but that's by individual. That's not making a generalized claim. It's just in my sample. That's what was reported. Did you take your own survey. Did you come out with a score for your experience? No I didn't I didn't I didn't that's funny. I didn't do it myself. No well if you had to ballpark where where do you think you will fall I don't know I have such a complicated relationship with my program experience because on the one hand I'm grateful for it because it really opened my eyes to so many you know really important issues like it helped me to communicate but on the other hand. It's almost inappropriate to feel gratitude for the program that I was in because so many young people were destroyed by the treatment design. I mean right now. I can count thirteen peers. Who have committed suicide and most of them committed suicide in the first few years after getting out. And you know you can say well. These kids had problems so they're more likely to commit suicide anyhow. But that's not really true like the program I was in. The parents were expected to recruit families into the program. So it wasn't just that these kids were so messed up that there were predisposed to suicide. It's that you know by today's standards. It was literally torture. Was The intentional infliction of physical and emotional pain in order to produce a response. Wow I mean the number thirteen out of how many pairs straight with a big program. So I don't know how many appears I had over that sixteen month period of time. We've been in the hundreds but I'm not in touch with all of them by any means so just through the grapevine. I've heard of thirteen suicides just to the kids that I knew and that's just suicide. That doesn't even include. You know all the other forms of harm with that was something that harmful. It's like it's not appropriate to feel grateful for it or to really describe it in positive terms for me personally. I see what you're saying it's because I explored it and I asked people I learned about the harm. I mean. If I hadn't done that I would probably feel comfortable saying yeah. It was treatment. You know I'm I'm even believe that was effective treatment. If I had stayed insulated from the amount of farm that 'cause they was Marcus chatfield speaking with our education. Reporter Dusty Rhodes you can find out more information about his research and a link to his thesis gets at our website at statewide show com starved. Rock State Park is one of the most popular hiking destinations in the country. With two and a half million visitors last year but high volumes of people and erosion led to heavy wear and tear on the parks scenic trails canyons a new fundraising effort for the love of starved. Rock is raising money to preserve the park for future generations. Amy Trimble is the president of starved Rock Lodge and Conference Center. It's getting more and more difficult for the state to provide all of the funding for those trail improvements and so a group of US got together and decided that we would try to raise money in conjunction with the state to Get these trails fix. The first project is building a trail. Accessible to people with disabilities group also hopes to raise money to repair a bridge over one of the canyons address erosion issues at another so trails. There can reopen listening Jim. Statewide just ahead. Just what is Midwest? Nuts isn't even. We'll tackle those questions. Stay with us. Hey travelers do you want to save money on your next flight? Then pick up the phone and call. That's right call because the best prices are not online. They're with smartfares. See smartfares has special deals with the airlines. 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The good news is that matching donors DOT COM is helping to change that matching donors dot com as a five a one C three nonprofit organization that links organ donors with people in desperate need of kidneys and other transplants. And now you don't need to donate a kidney to save a life you can donate your boat car or real estate with one hundred percent of the proceeds going to help save the lives of people needing organ. Transplants visit matching donors DOT COM or call. Eight hundred three eight five zero four two two this statewide. I'm Shawn Crawford ahead. There's a belief that people here in the Midwest are nicer than in some other parts of the country but is Midwest Nice really thing. We'll hear MORE IN THE FIRST YEAR. Illinois farmers could legally grow Kemp showed it may take some time to get the hang of it those stories and more still on the way now this month. Women's marches were held across the country including here in Illinois Rockford held its fourth the rally and March work. Cut a little shorter because of the bitter cold but the message of unity stronger than ever and reporters from W. Nij were there. We start with this report from Connie coons. Cold temperatures didn't stop a diverse crowd of marchers at women's March Rockford. More than two hundred people gathered to express themselves support each other and peacefully march. Jennifer stark held a sign. That said voting is my superpower and I feel like voting is by superpower. It's Oliver Superpowers. And so that's my sign and that's why I'm here today is that I want to represent and remind everybody that if we don't like where the world is. Today we can vote. We can make a difference. Men showed up to including Berry. Champion arm your to support the women's March and everyone's rights for equality people kind of just knowing me as loving everybody. I've been to probably all the women marches since they've started as well as other women's rights marches. Well four generations of marchers. Were there Jerry Hood? Was there with her granddaughters. This is London and this is Paris. I'm just here to make sure that everybody is accounted for and to teach my granddaughters as we can help people. My degree is in Human Services. So this is kind of like what I've always been into because I fought through so many cracks myself. It's very important that we get more attention focused on women's rights. It's important for me and then for them growing up and Melody Pearson has been marching for decades. I'm here because I've been marching for right since the nineteen seventies and we still don't earn equal dollar for equal jobs there just a lot of reasons for us to be respected. I respect men. They're men I love and I don't want to take anything away from them but I would like to share the world that they're in and have them share the good parts of our world. I'm Connie cougs Stevens. How low women's March rock sky? Jaeger kicked off the first round of speeches. This year's theme is intersection. -ality upon the outdoor stage in downtown. Rockford. The lineup of speakers looked a lot like the audience. And not just because there were bundled in scarves and heavy coats. They were people who knew discrimination firsthand. And in many cases their labels overlapped or intersected Uncle Parham read a message from Winnebago county clerk. Tiana McCall challenging the crowd to keep advocating for policies that support women and not just some women's rights all women's rights women women of Color Muslim women immigrant women women all across the gender identity spectrum incarcerated women any and all disenfranchise women again. I repeat all women. I'm rooting for. What comes my way. I wake up in the morning and I'm ready. Are you ready? Rhonda Greer is President of the rapper chapter the NWEA CPI. She says she's ready to continue. Fighting for women's rights and getting people out to vote Stanford your purpose stamp your beliefs stamp with the people that you love stamp or your community Congresswoman Cheri. Bustos told the crowd. There works not finished. They need to help. Make sure everyone is counted in this year. Census and on this one hundredth anniversary of women's suffrage. They must use their superpower. The right to vote. You've got to use every single day and be inspired by what this nation needs to be an all it can be and with that boost. In the rest of the marchers lined up behind an eight-year-old Liliana and hit the streets. I'm Suzanne Stevens member station. Wbz produces a regular series called curious. City it takes questions from listeners and investigates to find an answer this week curious cities Andrew Mirror weather tracks down the origins of the term Midwest. Nice curiousity listener shining. Li Lives was twelve housemates and Hyde Park and went the dishes pile up in the sink. Shining just bluntly ask people to clean up their mess. But she says the not Oliver housemates are so direct especially those from the Midwest. My House may growth this sign and put it above the sink and it says hey. Did you know that if sponges are left like soaking they'll develop germs and be stinky? Oh No it was like and there was going to be like a little sponge and it had like a smiley face. I'm like it was like running around Chinese. Describing reflects a common stereotype about mid Westerners that they're just plain nicer. And maybe a little more passive aggressive than the rest of the country. It's called Midwest Nice shining is a Chinese immigrant who grew up on the east coast and moved to the Midwest at the age of nine and even at that young age. She noticed that people P- acted differently in Delaware like grocery store. And like no one talk to you and then I moved to Ohio and like people wave at each other on the street and it just felt more welcoming but as she got older. She had this nagging feeling that it was all an act so shining ask curiosity to investigate whether Midwest Nice was actually real or just a made up stereotype own. If you haven't heard of Midwest Nice maybe you've heard of Minnesota Nice. It's basically the same thing you may have seen it in movies like this scene from Fargo. Where marge played by Frances mcdormand ever so kindly tells a man not to sit next to her. No why don't you sit over there? I prefer that sorry. Look you don't have to turn my neck or take the church lady from Saturday night live. Who has a very mid Western response to think she finds unpleasant? Isn't that special obviously? This is a huge generalization about millions of people. But I learned that there's evidence Midwest Nice Israel and stems from how the region was settled today raises important questions about racism and inclusion in the Midwest. I'll get all that in a minute. But first we need a working definition so I reached out to someone who's thought and written about it journalists and native Paul Kicks. Here's how he defines it. Mid Western Nice. Is this understanding that you should be kind to people regardless of the circumstance and that you should suppress any urge to speak ill of anybody. He says it doesn't mean that mid Westerners don't have negative feelings or thoughts they just don't express them directly but they do communicate them with kind of code subtle. Sounds I rolls and long silences like his mom back when kicks was in college and decided to grow hair out? This is what she said. Oh that was it with just one sound Paul understood. She hated it. But I mean this is still anecdotal. It's not the kind of thing anyone has dared on right. Yeah based on the data that we have for approximately one point five million people It would appear as though it is real so there is data. That's Jason Renfro psychologist at Cambridge University in two thousand thirteen. He and his colleagues crunch data from personality surveys. They found three distinct personality. Profiles each associated with the region. One of them was the mid. West which we labeled friendly and conventional which was sparked by high levels of extroversion agreeable in his consciousness and low levels of neuroticism and very low levels of openness so mid Westerners are extroverted agreeable but not open renfro explained it this way someone high in extroversion and openness would be somebody who's very sociable talkative but maybe isn't particularly Curious or are open to new ideas. Now remember that this is an overall trend certain places such as big cities like Chicago and many individual. People won't conform but still this idea of Midwest. Nice this outward. Friendliness but internal close mindedness is more common here than in other regions so mid West. Nice is kind of a thing but how did mid Westerners get to be this way historian? John Locke has a theory he says it comes from the late eighteen hundreds when the midwest was settled by farmers or one of the things that is a key component of agrarian society is a high level of cooperation or let the historians call mutuality or to put it in plain. English having a barn raising culture. Have you ever tried to raise a barn? Yeah me neither but I bet it's pretty darn hard to do by yourself or with a bunch of jerks for that matter. So being nice was Keith. But he says there's more to it than that niceness also held people get along and diverse region in fact most diverse region in the country. Now they weren't racially diverse but unlike earlier settlement on the East Coast where people clumped by national origin or religion. Midwestern communities brought together people from lots of different places. They came from the South the Northeast as well as Ireland Germany Scandinavia. So you had all these different languages cultures religions in the same place and at the time those differences really mattered so to get along it helps to be nice and friendly but not too inquisitive critical. If there was a disagreement a mid Westerner. Wouldn't say you're wrong instead. They might say something. Indirect like bash over time. Those differences became less important and today most of the descendants of those early settlers are just considered white Americans and this brings us back to question asked her shining experience in Ohio. She was a first generation Chinese immigrant and a predominantly white suburb. And she said people seemed welcoming but you can never tell if it was genuine. Was that partly due to racism. Dr Sue Vega says yes. She studied the experienced lat next immigrants and Lafayette Indiana for her book. Latino heartland the white families in the neighborhood. The midwestern families wouldn't outright be negative towards some and some would even wave and say hi. You know how you doing Or welcome them but there was almost like a superficial to that vigorous that some of these people simply didn't know how to around people from different cultures but they had the sense of. I'm uncomfortable your presence. I'm afraid of what I might say I I'm uncomfortable with your presents because you're different and I think that plays into the mid western Nice Because people want to be nice but there's also a lot of awkwardness when it has to do with politics and that squares with what Jason Renfro found in his research on the Midwest agreeable but not open minded and instead of acknowledging their awkwardness. Midwest are just well polite and that can provide a kind of cloak for discomfort and in some cases even racism but Vega doesn't think the Midwest has to stay this way we want to embrace differences embrace the fact that we're not comfortable with each other and then move forward in that conversation rather than keep avoiding it. It's not comfortable of course to do that. Would require confronting discomfort. Maybe even being a little more open and direct like shining in other words redefining Midwest. Nice now wouldn't that be special? Tree city is supported by the Coen Family Foundation. I'm intermarry weather. I don't WanNa feel curious. City production of member station. Wbz Many farmers are wrapping up their first year of growing hemp. The two thousand eighteen farm. Bill legalized the crop. But left regulation up to the states wall. Nearly all states have allowed it. There have been a variety of approaches to the rollout of him. Here in the Midwest Indiana Cronin Harvest public media has been talking to some Illinois farmers. She has this report. The building at the Illinois State fairgrounds was buzzing in mid December as the Twenty Nineteen Hem Summit Got Underway Illinois Department of Agriculture. Jeff Cox welcomes the crowd of more than seven hundred including hemp growers processors scientists. And really anyone interested in the Crop Cox. Is the bureau chief of medicinal plants and helped put on the summit. He says the point was to bring everyone together to talk about how the first year of hemp farming went. There's a lack of expertise Just a general lack of knowledge as to how to grow hemp the best way and we wanted to bring everybody to the same room so that they understood that everybody struggled. He says ear one was undoubtedly turbulent. It's kind of a good way to start in a way In that that's about as bad as it can get a knock on wood. Farmers generally agree. It was tough for many different reasons for one. There are a lot of regulations associated with growing hemp. And that's because hemp is derived from the same plant as marijuana the cannabis sativa plant but hemp and marijuana are more like cousins hemp has much less tetrahydrocannabinol or THC which gives marijuana it's psychoactive effect so to grow hemp. You need to apply for a specific license and then be sure that your crop stays under point three percent. Thc If it's over that legal limit your crop will be destroyed. Expect ten thousand or you know south stocks on seeds depending on army thusly about Charles Brown grows hemp in Virginia Illinois. We caught up a couple of weeks after the summit which he attended in part to learn how to properly test his crop to avoid so called. Hot Him he says he was Lucky. This year and that none of his hemp was over that legal. Thc element but once he harvested it. He said it had nowhere to go. Far Thousand Pounds. Biomass was on striking up a stall two stall garage. He says he also went to the summit to meat processors who are licensed to take the hemp off his hands and prepare it for the consumer. But he couldn't find anyone. The issue is common among him farmers according to the Illinois Department of Agriculture this year. Six hundred and forty-four growers licenses issued but fewer than two hundred were licensed to process the crop. That's leaving many growers with nowhere to turn. Once they've harvested other farmers came out just to be able to talk about hemp in the open. Jared and April Peyton grow in Wayne City Illinois and although older generation of farmers here him and they just think marijuana may think all the bad things that come along with that interested in in learning any more about it. If you tell them it's not pot they say oh well it is. It's the same thing they see. There's a stigma against growing it. And that's made it hard for them to find others to talk to and collaborate with despite the tough year Jeff Cox says he hopes farmers stick with it he says with corn and soybean prices lower than they once were growing Illinois helps the state diversify its cash crops. I've received don't know several dozen emails. Probably from folks that said my crops was a bust this year. But I'm doing it again next year. Which is what we want to hear. According to New Frontier data a research firm focusing on the cannabis industry in two thousand eighteen sales for based products in the US totaled about one point. One billion dollars that's expected to double by twenty twenty two cox says we won't know exactly how much hemp was grown in Illinois for a few more weeks but either way. He says he's already planning next year's Hem Summit Dana Cronin harvest public media. They went away governor. Jay Pritzker signed the law. This week aimed at bringing more young people into the civic conversation. As Mike Smith explains high schoolers of legal age to vote. We'll be able to take two hours out of their school day to cast their ballot. Thanks to a new law governor. Jay pritzker praised the efforts of both students and elected officials. Who made it possible saying they recognized how important it is not only to vote but to make the act of voting as accessible as possible for all who can vote. School still maintain control over which our students are allowed to be absent to vote. The law takes effect this summer after the primary election. I'm Mike Smith you're listening to statewide. Oliver episodes can be found at statewide. Show dot com with links to the stories. You hear each week so check it out and stay with us. More of this episode is on the way early Ben. Early to rise makes a man healthy wealthy and wise and all was Benjamin Franklin wise so you actually think electrcity can pass through metal. Frankly go flat excellent idea. What am I keys? Besides the bifocals been invented the Franklin Stove on from the foundation for a better life dot com. If you're dreaming of something greater a college degree job skills or technical training serving part time in the Army National Guard can help. Make your dreams a reality right now. 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Just ahead a conversation with an Illinois professor about the history of lgbtq individuals in American governments governor Printz Gear in various state elected officials wish soldiers of the Illinois. National Guards Safety and success during their deployments earlier this week in Carbondale from member station W. S. U. Amelia Blakely has more silence and buzzing of the arena. Lights were the only sounds in the band. Tara Center as four hundred soldiers part of the second one hundred Thirtieth Infantry Battalion walked in for the deployment ceremony behind the silence and the soldiers were two people including families and veterans hoping all of these four hundred soldiers come home safely. `Alliance a Vietnam vet says. This deployment was much different than his when he was deployed to Vietnam while stationed Germany ceremony. Like this we got on a plane and flew. Enc says he didn't know anyone being deployed in the military. That doesn't matter blow to the American Legion. I'm on the honor guard and I hope I don't have to bury these guys when they come back. Enc says the soldiers are honoring themselves. I'm Amelia Blakely Up University of Illinois Springfield Political Science Professor Jason Pearson's Encyclopedia of Lgbtq Americans in the political system was recently released. He talked with our reporter. Maureen mckinney about the two volume edition and recent roadblocks faced by the community. When I was in graduate school the Movement for same sex marriage was just starting to form and there are a lot of interesting court cases and I primarily studied public law and the courts in so I focused on that issue and that turned into a broader research agenda on. Lgbtq lawn politics. What made you decide to do the encyclopedia? I was approached by the publisher to edit the encyclopedia and I thought about it a lot because it was a major project of a lot of work but I realized that would be a good resource for education. Situtions universities colleges even high schools to offer students resource and then the general public resource on the history of. You'll take your rights movement. Various prominent activists and elected officials court cases organization. So I thought there was a need for a resource like this. There had been some similar resources about are out of date so this was a chance to bring things up to date have a resource that would be useful for a lot of folks. What would you say are some of the most interesting or important pieces of information? One of the most important parts of the work is that it highlights elected officials before harvey milk that were elected on. He's often seen as the first but he's not the first openly. Lgbtq PERSON TO BE ELECTED TO PUBLIC OFFICE. There were two women that were elected in. Nineteen seventy four three years before he was elected Kathy Cozy ching-kuo and noble so they're profiled as well as Unsuccessful candidates who ran much earlier than than even they did in Nineteen. Sixty one for instance. Jose Sarah is the first known openly. Lgbtq person to run for office in the United States and he ran for the Board of Supervisors in San Francisco. He lost but he finished well enough in a citywide race that it put the issue of Lgbtq curates more on the agenda and it showed that there was voting clout in San Francisco from the community in that that set the stage for Harvey Milk Success in the nineteen seventies about a decade later decade and a half liter. Tell us a little bit more about Harvey Milk. In case listeners aren't familiar absolute harvey milk was one of the first. Lgbtq folks elected to public office. He was elected to the Board of supervisors the same legislative body that is is the City Council essentially San Francisco that Jose. Sorry ran for nineteen sixty one harvey. I ran in nineteen seventy three loss. Michigan I can seventy five also ran for the state legislature in nineteen seventy six lost that race but eventually won the board of Supervisors Race in Nineteen Seventy Seven. And during that time he became probably the most visible national. Lgbtq right's leader. He was very active in the pushback to the religious right resistance to lgbtq writes that was rising as reflected by the Miami Dade Ordinance Repeal Nineteen Seventy seven than Anita Bryant spearheaded and. There was a a law in. Miami County that protected from discrimination on the basis of sexual orientation that was enacted by the local government who was repealed in a popular referendum and and the their religious right by the nineteen seventies increasingly using these popular referenda to undo advances ideology to curates Harvey. Milk was a part of Trying to oppose that opposition. Lgbtq writes in fact he famously was involved in a similar initiative in California that was defeated given his leadership. So I think he's important because he was one of the first not the first but one of the first openly. Lgbtq elected officials but he also had national profile and had a unique brand of politics. That was a reflection. I think of the new left. Progressivism the nineteen seventies. He was very much focused on the grass roots. He didn't like insider politics and he really fought in some ways the insider politics of the emerging gay democratic establishment of the time and there were some so huge fights between he and other. Lgbtq activists over that in fact they actually ran a cat against him In in at least one election so he has unique brand politics and that he was very focused on intersection working with other groups in San Francisco finding coalitions and the grass roots level focusing grassroots politics. And they made him a unique transitional political figure in the nineteen seventies and then he was assassinated tragically a year later and deb became an entire political issue itself because the person who tested him got a very lenient sentence. And most scholars attribute that to the homophobia of Ero. What about the women you mentioned who were elected before him? What did they run for and get elected to? Yes Kathy Chanko. She was a student at the University of Michigan when she ran for the Ann. Arbor City Council. And she was elected. She was a member of this local Socialist Party. She was a radical student at the time and had a very radical Marxist perspective on politics she ran on student issues affordable housing things like that and was elected In some ways out of the blue but it was. It was notable for being the first. There were a couple of other city council members city. Who had come out after their election earlier so she joins the mother out open People on the city council but she was the first openly. Lgbtq person to be in the United States and that was a nineteen seventy four. A few months later Elaine. Noble was elected to the Massachusetts legislature from a district in the Boston area. And she had been in. Lgbtq rights activists locally in Boston had had a radio show and was involved in local lgbtq rights organizations and women's rights organizations so she'd been an activist and she was put more plugged into Lgbtq politics time than Catholicos Chanko was and that led to success on for her in the legislative level although she face enormous backlash personally and politically unless she held her office for a couple of terms. And then there was a redistricting issue and she tried to make a run for the US Senate from Massachusetts and she finished pretty poorly in statewide primary but she's notable for being the first statewide office elected official in Harvey Milk was from the Council essentially. But she was from a state legislative seat and had a seat at the state level. Go Jason Bonetti for Ready Dot Illinois Dot Gov with a message about emergency planning for the thousands of Illinois citizens with functional needs every one of US needs a disaster plan for ourselves. Our families even our pets but the plan and the emergency disaster. Kit May look a lot different for those with functional needs at ready Dot Illinois Dot Gov. You'll find tips for designing an emergency disaster plan and building an actual emergency disaster kit. Whether you or someone you know is affected by cognitive. Mobility or visual disabilities has mental health or substance. 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Silver searches a new tool in Illinois to help locate those missing with Alzheimer's or dementia go to Silver Search Illinois Dot Org to learn more on how Illinois is working to protect its citizens and learn how you can help sponsored by the Alzheimer's Association mentioned Homophobia in the seventies era. What are your thoughts about? What's going on now? With the trump administration. I think that released to one of the big themes of encyclopedia and several of the articles and entries and that theme is the partisan divide on this issue that persists to this day. We just look at today. The number of elected officials in the country only about three percent of all the openly. Lgbtq elected officials in the country Republicans. It's about twenty three out of seven hundred and fifty six and that's not typical for other sumo countries. There are conservative parties in in the UK in parts of Europe where there are a lot more openly. Lgbtq members of those parties elected to office. The United States is unique in that its conservative. Party is probably more anti lgbtq than other comparable countries and that has to do with the connection between the Republican Party and their religious ride. That goes back to the nineteen seventies that we discussed earlier. The trump administration is responding to a very powerful constituency in the party. The religious right that doesn't see. Lgbtq writes in any way as legitimate not. Just disagree with it but they're trying to roll back. The very existence of policies are wide range of fronts by they can control through administrative decision making and bureaucratic policy-making as well as trying to shape the courts in a more conservative direction to push back on advances that have been made and we're made the Obama administration previous administrations and previous supreme courts to expand. Lgbtq rights and that fight is not going away. I don't see the Republican Party. In the near term changing that very strong anti lgbtq position there are individual Republicans who are very supportive of lgbtq rights. But they tend to be minority in the party right now and I think it is quite striking that there are so few elected officials that are Republican. Lgbtq Parsons because Kenneth Make self selecting decisions when they decide to run they think themselves. Do I have a good chance of winning? Is it worth? The time is worth. The investment is worth of personal cost and calculated that their party will not be receptive to their candidacy based on their identity. They probably won't run. So there are a lot of reasons why we have this huge imbalance on a partisan level between openly. Lgbtq elected officials Democrats most of them the vast majority and a small minority who are Republicans. I think there's been a widening name Knowledge I guess of transgender people. And I'm wondering if that has been good for that community or not. I think it's been both positive and negative. Because on the positive side there have been more openly. Lgbtq people and Trans People in particular running for office. And we've seen more recently. Denic AROM for instance in Virginia who was frisked in two thousand seventeen to the legislature. She would just reelected. Recently a few weeks ago there were folks from Colorado Open. Transgender people elected the State Legislature City Council members in Minneapolis in two thousand seventeen. So we start to see more openly. Lgbt Q. People in Particular Trans People running for office and even been elected. That's much newer. There's more visibility on transgender rights issues with his alter pretty significant. Backlash those issues. So if we look at the range of lgbtq rights issues probably LG issues or more supported these days than t issue than transgender issues. So it is a situation where there's been enormous progress particularly recently and we've seen many more transgender candidates running for office and being elected but they're still tremendous stigma and a lot of social anxiety about transgender rights issues trends issues in particular have ban a poking point for the trump administration. Would you agree with that? I think so folks in the religious right who control a lot of Republican party policy-making these days don't see transgender people as having a distinct identity or being ballad Lee recognized and policy in law the increasingly the backlash the transgender rights denied that transgender people exist or they should exist and that is a fundamental religious view that some people use scriptural passages to site but it is a foundational view of the religious right that transgender folks. People don't exist shouldn't exist. It's this whole debate is unnecessary and perty legal. Protections are unnecessary and those are grounded in very essential views about gender and gender roles but also lagged the Movement for lgbt rights. But it's being more pronounced these days. I think in the context of transgender rights. What are some of the policies for the Lgbtq community that you would support? I would support. I mean I generally support a range of pro. Lgbtq policies image of transgender rights. Some issues are important. Like gender marker changes allowing people to change their identification driver's licenses birth certificates relatively easily when they transition Nondiscrimination laws laws. That allow people students access to facilities based on their gender identity. There are a range of policies that that are being enacted in more progressive states. Oppose Conservative states are being contested. A Federal Court and state courts. There's an ongoing conversation about that. But those someone else important issues that are facing particularly the transgender community stays Illinois is one of those progressive states. Would you say yes? Yes recently has been and that wasn't always the case in the last decade so five or ten years it's been a more progressive state on a range of lgbtq issues than it was early and that's a reflection of the demographic changes the more the trance toward Democratic Party control the presence of openly LGBTQ state legislators and local officials of all those things have contributed to Illinois being a more progressive state on LGBTQ issues as medicine to relieve the pain of stress to just get through the day. I realize I can't stop. I can't stop. I can't stop. Can't stop can't stop. We can help call one eight. Three three to find help find ways to help you or the ones you love break. The cycle of OPIOID use disorder. One eight three three to find help sponsored by this is betty white. 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Red Light cameras at a single reason. I got involved in politics. One went up in nine neighborhood and this has not done anything for safety yet. It's been a simple money. Grab for the polity and many powders just like that. These red light cameras have been a crooks in the black and Brown communities for years a lot of individuals have lost. Their cars like cameras have not helped anyone in the communities. We we have a lot of work to do on reform and ethics and how we conduct ourselves in this building over the next six weeks and this is not the right start to do it. Our young people need and as representative Willis said they want age and developmentally appropriate comprehensive and inclusive personal health and safety education and they need this education at the earliest grades and a clear young person in southern Illinois. I learned nothing at all about people like me about diverse sexualities gender expression and gender identity one way lawmakers strained tackle red light cameras in the wake of a corruption investigation and sex education in schools. That's back on the legislative agenda as well. We'll talk about that and more coming up on St Week. I'm Shawn Crawford with me in the studios of NPR Illinois on the campus of the University of Illinois. Springfield is Charlie Wheeler. He's an emeritus professor and former director of the Public Affairs Reporting Program you. Is He's also a longtime State House reporter in observer with us from the State House is our statehouse editor. Brian mackey and on the line with us today is Hannah. Meisel of the daily line and it's good to have you back on state week. Thanks for having me and I will start with you. Brian on this Red Light Camera Discussion. Let's go there I. It's been in the news a lot in the last several weeks and months It's not always been a popular topic. Among many people. People think that Red Light Cameras Are are a bit onerous on motorists to begin with and now we have some corruption that has shown up regarding this industry as well. What are lawmakers trying to do this? There are a number of different efforts on red light cameras ranging from well let's just work around the edges and clean up some of the bad that have happened but but still keep them largely as they are all the way to. Let's just ban them? This failed experiment. We thought it was GONNA be about safety but it's really a cash. Grab this bill that passed out of the House. This week is somewhere in between Sponsored by Representative David McSweeney who is a Republican from Barrington hills? And it's a partial ban. It only applies to about half of the municipalities that can have red light cameras and Illinois. And they're not the big ones so it. Eleanor has this thing called home. Rule which is basically gives a a local government more power to to set its own laws particularly around taxes but in an all kinds of different areas Its own ordinances. I should say. And it's any city with a population of greater than twenty five thousand. I think the threshold is or could be smaller towns if they opt in the certainly includes Chicago Naperville big cities like that but there are a number of smaller suburbs where the voters have given you know have voted to have home rule power there and so what this re. Red Light Camera Band. This limited one that passed the house it would apply to non home rule municipalities in Illinois. What is particularly notable about this? Bill is that it's one that has come up in these. As you mentioned Sean. These recent Federal Corruption Investigations And it's apparently the one that that states senator former state Senator Martin Sandoval Killed Because he was as he has pleaded guilty to he was on the payroll of a Red Light Camera Company. Brian not everybody in in all of Illinois knows what these red light cameras are there certainly more prevalence in the upstate. Area of Chicago in that region Just give us a quick explanation. What they do. Yeah so this is a kind of a camera with a computer device that sits up there next to on a red light and as a car comes into an intersection if the light's yellow and then that moment it turns red it kind of takes a snapshot of the intersection and if one's vehicle is anywhere even over the white line you may not you know the. I think this was pitched originally as well. This is GonNa be for people who just kind of bolt through the red light ignoring it. Because they think they're more important than everyone else but what it's done is in snared people who are maybe making a right turn on red and they don't come to that full complete. Stop fully behind the white line while most of US learned in driver's Ed. Instead you know the reality of driving is if you're in the middle of nowhere it's the middle of the night and no one's around maybe kind of come to a two mile an hour role as you kind of look around but the camera does not forgive in the camera what it does is. It takes a picture of your vehicle. It gets your license plate. It gets your face. Apparently human beings somewhere review this footage. But there's not a lot of forgiveness built into the system and then a ticket is mailed out these can be very expensive tickets and some lawmakers were saying people have lost their cars. They've lost the right to drive over. These red light camera tickets handle of these. Are you know I've mentioned? We mentioned corruption angle. That's happened here more recently but these have been controversial from really from the start right. When red light cameras were first legalized in two thousand and three? Chicago was the first municipality to get them and then they were legalized for the rest of the state. A few years later I believe like two thousand seven but you know pretty much right away. There were issues with the cameras like Brian mentioned you're not necessarily catching people who are flagrantly. Driving through red lights here really trapping people are just doing normal driving like I actually have a red light camera outstanding right now and I tried to appeal it and they came back with a big fat. Denial and I've had an easier time getting out of Some parking tickets trying to appeal them anyway. But you know investigations by the Chicago Tribune. revealed a massive kickback scheme for the Chicago. Red Light Camera Program. There was this Australian company called Red Flex and you know. Several people went to prison. Actually after several long years of investigations and a federal indictments. Coming down on these people and so there are undoubtedly unpopular however suburbs have the city of Chicago and suburbs. Have come to rely on them. for revenues. And even though you know the argument is always oh well. It's about safety. You know really the. It's because so much of some of these very small suburbs state budgets have come to rely on this revenue and so in early. January Controller Susana Mendoza. She announced that her office would no longer be acting as a debt collector for those suburbs of the city of Chicago does not actually rely on the controller. But you know that a comfortable had for years been basically acting as a debt collection agency For people who were delinquent on paying their red light cameras and she said this was something that her off could do to kind of curb the the programs. Obviously it's not a total ban. But she says she's doing her part and total ban bills like Ryan said Unlike this McSweeney bill they are coming down the pipeline And so I think momentum is building but these red light camera companies are pretty powerful and you know especially the pressure from suburban mayors. Think that's going to play a big role in whether or not we actually do see a ban this year. I think it's also worth noting here that you do hear that public safety argument however as a screws have been put to potentially these municipalities. They are being a little more open about the idea that this is a money issue for them as well and it's interesting Represented McSweeney pointed out in debate. I think it was a tribune story from a number of years ago now where they had worked with a professor at Texas am found some twenty two percent of the help my head increase in rear end collisions. And I can tell you from personal experience when you're coming up on these intersections there well labeled there's a big sign and you can see the camera sitting up there and it does make you a. Try to be hyper vigilant. But apparently people are slamming on the brakes to avoid crossing that white line and getting the ticket and therefore creating an increase in rear end collisions at these intersections surely We heard the Susana Mendoza mentioned there. She's a Democrat David McSweeney. He's a Republican Bipartisan effort may be against these To some extent and that's not surprising. This is this is the type of thing. Lawmakers loved him to get on because the fact that they aren't popular among the public. And anything you can you can do to show that You're you're doing something on the public's behalf at least you know that's the the point they're trying to make is bringing to be a popular one. Yeah as as I recall I think the vote in the house was eighty four. I four. No now we're what a couple dozen people either voted or didn't vote at all but the fact that the only four no votes Shows how politically popular. This is. Now if I'm not mistaken it. It doesn't the red light cameras aren't approved for statewide use. We don't have any sang-mun Nkonni for example relates just the suburbs metropolitan area. Yeah but causal and Metro Police the the two Illinois counties across the river from Saint Louis and they were originally sold. His hand has said as a safety measure. This is to Catch and all those people who run through yellow lights in here in Springfield as you approach. A intersection and delight is changing. If you you just stop and wait because you know somebody who's just getting a red light is going to go through on. I confess I've done that too. It's I guess. Part of the culture of driving in Springfield but in many instances in his matter fact I believe one of the allegations against senator former senator sandoval was he pressured people at the Department of Transportation to okay putting these red light cameras were. There was not the documentary evidence of traffic safety as being important in that particular intersection. Hannah let me go back to one argument that I have heard made in support of these in the past. And that is that the free up officers for other work that Maybe there's limited resources on the police department and they can't always have somebody sitting at every intersection just making sure people follow the law so that there is that in some ways that they help in public safety in an overall way. Well I mean a lot of things. A LOT OF TECHNOLOGY. A lot of automation They claim to just free up human capital and of course paying someone to be an active police officer and of course later on paying their pension that is extremely expensive. But you if you'RE GONNA IF YOU'RE GONNA say over we'RE GONNA improve public safety by doing this automation thing. I would hope that someone is on the other actually reviewing the footage and calling balls and strikes in a fair way because again like a lot of people are just ensnared in In the regular course of driving normal people like I people always stopped right at the white line. I think my dad would disagree but things just happen. Things come out of nowhere. Sometimes the lights. The timing of the yellow lights is off. I think the Tribune also had an investigation about that. Several years back But they were short yellow lights. Yeah exactly Yeah I. If this goes to a point I think is you can look at. I think there's a sort of almost a broader philosophical issue here and I'm reminded of that episode of Seinfeld George Costanza is driving and they were birds in the road and they're supposed to get out of the way. We have a deal with the birds. When you're driving up. They fly out of the way. That's the deal. And they didn't and he ended up hitting a bunch of these birds and I kind of feel that is why we don't have a big brother traffic system. I mean with the smartphones. We have with. Gps technology. The I pass toll collection. It could be that if you get from one toll booth to the next or toll sensor. They don't really have as many booths anymore. But you know you could automatically get a ticket because you're not supposed to go from one hundred fifty ninth straight one to sixty third street one You know in X. amount of minutes and it could be that we have these automated devices just issuing tickets left and right everywhere. But that's kind of not the deal we have in our society. There's IT's expected that most people will behave safely most of the time. If someone's doing something crazy or agree GIS like that. Spate of hundred mile an hour plus tickets. We heard that the state police was issuing think we talked about that a few months ago. Fine that you know. That's something that should be addressed. And that is worth investing the human capital of an actual state trooper police officer going out there to enforce that but I think that you know there's a reason we don't have a sort of totalitarian surveillance state that monitors every every moment of driving compliance with the law. Just because as we were all saying. I think that you have to allow allowances for the EBB and flow of everyday travel. And it's just not the society I think people want to live in but when we all have tournaments vehicles you won't have to worry about it. Let me move on We did mention corruption involved with red light cameras. And there's a broader look ethics in state government right. Now Hannah. There's a commission that's been formed has a lot of People who have been around governmental longtime who are involved with this commission. They've met met again this week. Anything going on with that at this point as far as we know of legislation or they you know singling out any type of area that they want to try to improve on. Yeah we've seen I think it's been five meetings of this commission on Ethics and lobbying reform. They face a march thirty first deadline to present a report to the governor on an legislative leaders on suggested changes to state law to kind of root out corruption and Tighten up other of ethics law In this The latest meeting. This week was mercifully of lot shorter than the other five. Almost five our meetings we've seen it was about lake it can to people hold the elective office at the same time. I think Especially those of us who are not super familiar with like some of the tiny southwest suburban towns like way the FBI raided. Cook County Commissioner. Just Tubal skews town in September. Everyone kind of learned that. Oh not only is he commissure to Cook County. He's also the mayor of this tiny little town called summit similarly state Senator Steve Landeck. He's the mayor of Bridgeview and then we also have a newish state reps. That was sworn in last summer. A Republican from Rosemont Red Stevens. Who has been mayor of? Rosemont for about the last decade or so in his father had been the original mayor of Rosemont Donald Stevens Donald Stevens Convention Center Rosemont for Fifty Years. And so they're basically. The commission heard like is it is inherently wrong inherently bad and seems like the Constitution and most of Illinois Statute has a pretty lousy fair approach. You know as long as those two offices don't conflict than it's fine but of course it's what does conflict mean are their contracts to be had are there You know any number of things can come up and so no one's really watching this thing. I think there was a question to a representative from the attorney. General's office like. Are you guys being proactive? In the answer was will hay with eight thousand units of Local Government Illinois by far the most of any state in the nation. We can't really be watching all the time you know there's just it's impossible and so this is the latest hearing there's been One touching on other areas of government ethics laws and. I guess we'll just see there's another month until that report is due and then I guess Legislation will have to come out of it. Let me move on as well because there are some other legislation that we've been following this week and I call it sex education at the start of the show Brian but They've been giving it some different names and there are a couple of at least i. Don't WanNa call him competing Bills out there but There's some different legislation that would try to accomplish some similar things. Yeah and they they refer to it as health education but I think that you know the the emphasis is on what I think those of us who grew up a decade or so plus ago would call sex education and what is different about. What at least one of the big proposals. That got a lot of attention this week because of a news conference in the capital. It's called the reach act and we'll get into the acronym but basically it would mandate comprehensive age appropriate sex or health education in public schools for Grades K through twelve. And a couple of things are interesting about that one. If the idea is making it mandatory currently there's language statute that says schools may have this. This would change it to schools shall have it and the idea of making it in all grades is something different and again. The they do emphasize there's age appropriateness so for kids in kindergarten through grade to it would be looking at things like personal safety. Identifying trusted that children's can go to an and respecting each other. It as you get a little bit older grades three through five. There's more talk about healthy relationships and bullying and harassment even getting into puberty body image sexual orientation gender identity gender expression things like that and then in the as children really grow into young adults grades six through twelve. There's more talk about things like consent and harassment abuse violence as well as Contraception and medication and Sexually Transmitted Infections and how to prevent them so it would be comprehensive. There is another version of this legislation out there that would be all ages but would not have that mandatory component to it and I should add that parents at least under the first one would still have the right to opt their children out of this education if they did not want them to participate surely anytime you use the word mandatory. Even if he does have that opt out provisions. It's always going to be controversial. And I think that was one of the arguments raised by representatives of school districts. Who said it you know? We don't disagree with the idea. We think this is very good and children should be educated in these areas in inappropriate way from the time they start school. But WHO'S GONNA pay for it it's another unfunded mandate in the school district's have Lord. I Dunno they have probably hundreds of them out. There have to teach this. Teach that do this do that. And the state lays on them and then the states is yet. But we'RE NOT GONNA PAY FOR IT. You figure out how to pay for you gotta do but we're not going to help you financially on it and Brian I I would imagine. A lot of schools do similar types of Curriculum right now but it may not be laid out the way that that this bill requires it and it again. It does not have that requirement that all the schools offer something. Yeah some schools may but we certainly heard about some that. Don't think that one of the voices we used at the top of the show was a high school senior name. Trae Graham who identify as queer in the news conference this week and said that they did not get any of this sort of education about their sexual identity and healthy relationships and that sort of thing so there may be schools that are doing parts of this but the aim here is to make it standardized and comprehensive across the state but school districts would be able to tailor their own curriculum correct. Yeah I don't have the language of the bill in front of me. I think there would be some of that. But there is a lot There are a number of things that are sort of like this shelby. It will include in touch on these various things so I I think the idea is that you know if if for example hypothetically if there's a more you know conservative area the state where these issues are not discussed as much in public discourse. I think that that you know the aim is to make sure that education and Instruction is getting even into those places where you know people in the community might raise eyebrows about it. We've been watching the presidential race. Hearing a lot about prescription drug prices. There is a renewed effort at the Capitol to try to tackle these prices as well of medications and Hannah some lawmakers I believe they may have held a news conference on that this week right. State Rep will already from Chicago and our local state senator from Springfield Manar around Springfield. I should say. They teamed up last year to do a bill that basically capped insulin crisis and They're teaming up again to try to create a new State Board. That would basically say to drug companies. Hey this is the Max the upper limit that Illinois will pay for you know x strug and go through a list of drugs that people depend on and You know they say it's not like mandatory that the drug companies would charge less than that. But you know there's a certain element of the the power of shame saying like okay we are. We're saying that Illinois are not going to pay more than this and if this drug company does indeed charge Illinois that much then That's public pressure and then also part of their bill would be creating some sort of commission that would study the issue like we see all the time we're going to have a blue ribbon panel to study the issue but You know this is really a big deal. And I've heard about a couple of other bills. Coming down the pipeline. That would try to reign. In the cross. Prescription drugs will already tried to do similar things last year. But you know we were already doing a whole lot in springfield and but this is a perennial issue especially as the debate over Healthcare in general redesigned in the president at the Democratic presidential race. This is just a hot topic because it really really does affect people's lives and really only about a minute here left hand but I remember in the past. There was discussions about drug buying clubs. Where maybe the state would negotiate drug prices? All of that type of thing. We're not they're not talking about getting into things like that at this point. I've heard of an importation. Bill that would basically legalize formalize away that the state could buy drugs from other countries like Canada. But there are safety concerns with that and even some of the groups that you would think might be on board with that. Bill are really not because of safety concerns. Let's go to our notes from the field. Charlie let's start with you. The Attorney Registration Disciplinary Commission is moving to Disbar Rod Blagojevich. Now you might think we'll have. Didn't he lose his license when he was convicted No the way it works is his law. License was suspended until all his appeals. Run OUT IN. His appeals ran out and the commission which oversees the disciplinary actions involving the legal profession is now moving to despire him and it's likely that occur although takes several months after they have. They had a hearing this week in after the hearing. It takes several months to goes to make the decision but not to worry because Blagojevich is now offering videotaped messages for sale through a website. And if you WANNA pay fifty bucks seventy five bucks one hundred bucks. You could get rich to Lucia happy birthday to one of your best friends or maybe one of your worst enemies. You're looking for gift ideas and Hannah. It's kind of a legacy thing now. But of course a political organizations especially in Chicago Thrive on Legacy so the Thirteenth Ward Organization. Which is course is House Speaker Bike? Madigan'S LONGTIME ORGANIZATION PUT OUT PALM CARD. Which is kind of like piece of campaign literature that you hand out near polls saying like these are our preferred candidates. It left off. Cook County State's attorney Kim Fox and also a Metropolitan Water Reclamation district commissioner Kim dupleix who was also for state REP and so the palm court essentially left off two of the three black candidates black female candidates that the Cook County Democratic Party had slated and so people were left kind of scratching their heads. Unfortunately people were eager to talk to me about this earlier in the week and then some they clammed up yesterday which I thought was very interesting Brian as there has been more attention to getting diverse range of people serving in office the Illinois Senate took a step this week to codifying. The idea that campaign funds can be used for childcare. As long as it's while someone is doing governmental or political work spokesman for the State Board of elections says when it's been asked about this in the past it said it's okay to use campaign money in this way. This would just make sure that that is put into law. That's our time for this edition of State Week. Our panel included Charlie Wheeler Brian mackey and Hannah Meisel of the daily line get a podcast ever show at NPR Illinois dot org through the NPR one APP production assistance for the program was provided by Bob. Meyer I'm Shawn Crawford. You've been listening to state week. A program of commentary and analysis of events and Illinois state politics and government state week is produced in the state capital by public radio station. Npr Illinois this. Is I the R Illinois? Public radio is the number one cause of death by disease for children in the US. 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Eleven truth where we talked about nine eleven truth and basically just physics and it was just taken down and removed from Youtube because of hate speech so I guess physics now hate speech but I think what they really mean is they hate it when we talk about the truth about the cabal and what really happened on nine eleven so in any case I had already recorded interview which I think is really important to get out there. It's with Leila who's the Shaman. An ARCA POCO and I wanted to get this out. Before in our COCO which is coming up this week. And our channel enter cast has strike which means we can't upload rating for the next week so. I'm just going to put it here if you're interested in psychedelics. If you have any sort of issues addiction I just saw. Jordan Peterson His in major problems he of course was given a bunch of drugs by his drug dealers. Called Doctors Which are incredibly dangerous. And you really can't get off the missile parts of the pharmaceutical industrial scam so he couldn't get off them of course without trying to kill himself. Which is what actually happens with a lot of these things and so. He went back to the drug dealers in socialist Canada and they almost killed him not surprising so he actually had the fleet or Russia to get some help But we actually talk about some of this stuff in this episode especially Bogo how we're treats addictions so if you have any sort of addiction problems or anything like that depression. A lot of these belts can really help with that. There's normally wouldn't be on the garbage lachey channel but as I said we're getting wiped pretty quickly off of Youtube if we have the old interview with Richard Gauge of architects and engineers. And we're going to put down below. It might be on library or bit. Shoot and that's a big reason why we're on those platforms because we don't think we're GONNA be on Youtube much longer. Looks like my other channels getting shut down right now. This will probably soon get shut down. But you can't actually see Richard Gage at the upcoming Naruko. He's going to be speaking. There actually have a live stream which you can watch all the speakers you can go to dollar dot com slash twenty twenty livestream and leave it there so Very interesting interview with one of the most interesting Shaman. One of the top Shamans Mexico voice eligible Mexico. This is everybody. Welcome to enter. Cast your home for anarchy on the Internet. We're going to get psychedelic today. I've got on a I. You can call it an old friend of mine. We had very interesting experience when I first met him. His name's Leila he's actually been doing. He's a showman at an Arca Boko. He's been doing numerous things including Iowa's for numerous years. I don't even remember how many years now I'm GonNa ask them about that actually five years. Yeah it's been it's been crazy and I actually met. Leila for the first time where he's coming in from right now. Which isn't Tebow's lamb in Mexico just rate near Mexico City and I actually went there to do boga which is crazy. It's the craziest thing I've ever done. I don't know if I could ever do it again. There was that hard although I do have some experiences at all I might talk about with it that the reason I think it was so hard for me is because I was really messed up and I was really I was living in my mind almost completely and it was really hard to lose control of it for basically two straight days which is what it was with a bogus. It's absolutely insane but for numerous months because I was depressed beforehand. I wasn't depressed anymore. All of a sudden it was just like the switch went off and all of a sudden I noticed how beautiful everything was where I lived and all of a sudden I I was just really good and it gave me enough time to start working on myself. Even more which I've did have been doing now for years and years now so in the end like I wouldn't take back during the Yoga but man that was hard and Leila's got so many amazing stories about stuff like what whatever you WanNa call them. Psychedelics plant medicine and he actually has a very interesting background. So I WANNA get into that as well leaks. I know a bit about your background about being struck by lightning and that sort of thing. So why don't you just introduce yourself to the audience who who doesn't know you know a lot of people who've gone to anarchy book. I do know you but many don't just let let people know who you are. Okay that's kind of a hard thing. my experience with. Shamanism as you said started early because of this Lightning that struck me when I was When you're old and in I will. I was born here in this area in Mexico where the Shaman are struck by lightning. And this is kind of the how the community knows who is going to be Sherman so although I am not Born as an indigenous living next to an indigenous community the indigenous community Took me in and talking so because I think if I if I remember correctly like your fear family was killed by lightening era? You know all the the other people who were around were stroke died. Yeah father and I were struck by lightning so both my dad in in myself. started learning shamanism doing like the holding the responsibility for the community here and in doing the the initiation ceremonies here. So that's how it started here with a the community Mexico and then began working also where we'd ready to radical community the wichita community for the ones. We're more with the ODI and then also I went back to Columbia. Which is actually where my family was originally from in there. I learned a lot about your Wasserstein the Amazon and and the guy. I've been a lot to govern where so when we met we are doing is more like Treatment and After that I've been going twice a year and more to learn about he boga and be around the community. That's kind of what have been doing around Chamonix. I wasn't aware you've been going to Africa to do that. And that's where I understand a bogus I came from. So that's very interesting and Your seem to always be on McGaw. You just came back from Colombia. Believe and I think he probably just came back for in our cocoa. So you're basically going around doing these things all the time. Yes so right now. What I'm mostly doing is is taking people to the indigenous community. So I I make They call them pilgrimage. So it's I think that Well you know I think we that indigenous communities in Mexico communities colds certain tools that can help us connect directly with some kind of knowledge or fundamental source. So I'm trying to take people to these communities and I organized groups so Amazon we go to the desert to govern and so I'm kind of all on around all the time. Are you still there working with Berry? Not Anymore concur years already yet okay. I wasn't aware of that. That was he was. There was basically his thing that I went to for the originally and he's actually been book few times so before. I want to ask you a number of things but before I get into that I just want you to kind of maybe explain to your average Westerner out there who doesn't know anything about these things and they've heard this is crazy what you're using plant medicines and you know why. Why should a person sort of like from the West from the US or that kind of a person be interested in these things? What kind of things can they get value from this? Well I mean a lot of things and In many ways I'd say in terms of anarchy It's a lot you know they We live like in kind of monoculture are like you know everyone is doing the same thing and we were taught to think alike. And you know do the same all of that The and I think there's like rational way of awakening when or when it's just too bad that it's just like it really hard to not see it. It's like okay but then there's also kind of a we can call it transpires kind of experience of awakening or or a kind of experience where you can connect directly to knowledge. This is called North than so. It's like the direct connection is not when someone is telling you. You know you should think this you should know it's like you connect directly to from thing to the mystery to knowledge to the truth or to source you know different different ways of calling it And I think this is really really essential I mean of course and Psychedelics are are one of those really good tool to to do that Nowadays in in modern life and because they're very quick. You could do it through meditation. You can do it through fasting Freyer. Sometimes it happens through accidents or break up with a partner. Sometimes it can happen through a very strong sexual experience when you kind of you know kind of the the this this kind of a recall it. Everything was put in in our minds in kind of a crime. Both and then you can wake up. When you kind of see more. It can happen in many ways But I think that's psychedelics are really really good way. Us doing that and of this kind of a death the neagle us and then a kind of rebirth and that's very important where we're where deconstruction is very important also to deconstruct you know the idea that we've been taught to think and imposed and this is something that's psychedelics can do very well to construct also emotional and personal things are. Dixon's addiction still think ways of thinking in lines and things that are important to deconstruct and then after deconstruction. It's a lot about just inside connecting with this Source Knowledge for me personally book. It was one of my first sort of major ones. I I started with Iowa and I did it a couple times and actually got some really amazing insights from it but it wasn't what I was expecting because I've heard a lot of people saying oh when I do go to these other worlds dragons enough this kind of stuff but I was like I was just in the dark black room for what seemed like years until finally I got one small message. Which wasn't even that small was mass for me and my message was let others help you. I was so headstrong and and I guess proud or I thought I had to be the strong man and I would never let anyone helped me and Iowa which the called the grandmother and after having done a number of these things. I can see why it's called that because I've also done what's the other one that they call it like the grandfather done that a couple of times you know not only but it's very similar. So it's like San Pedro. Yeah Yeah Yeah and I totally feel. The difference actually really liked the grandfather one a lot more because as he's a lot nicer the GRANDMAS pretty strict and but for me. Personally what I what what it was? I think looking back on this whole journey for me started about five years ago is I was just so in my mind and so in this world and could not see out of it and couldn't get out of it and that's why drinking a lot I think is because I had to find an escape because I was just too. I was trapped in my own mind constantly and became worse and worse than depressed and unhappy and all that kind of stuff because I couldn't get out of it and what I what I've found for me personally was the psychedelics force you to get out of it and it's like the suck therapy sort of the thing that once you take it whether it's a drink of Oscar or some you know in pill form the the San Pedro whatever. It is from that point on the next few hours. You have no control over where you're GONNA go and you have to sort of like a humble yourself or kind of allow this thing to guide you in that moment or take you on this sort of thing so after doing Iowa Ska and Boga able gain. I've I did with you. It was Kinda like a surprise visit that you showed up at my house. I forgot I said I wanted to do it. We did that was great. I have to say and I WANNA get into a little bit about all these things. I think they're all so interesting but the DMZ for me was so nice because it's so short it's like fifteen minutes and for me just just it was a five minute the actually very different from the Arca. Yeah sorry like I'm not an expert. This stuff's please correct me whenever I say anything wrong but that was so nice because it was like twenty minutes because I was like five hours but for me it seemed like days and a Bogo was like two days and it seemed like two hundred years to me like I was begging it to stop at the end and But I needed it so it was sort of like a thing I needed but all these things are kind of different. Suffer what I would say. The people out there who are listening. If you are sort of like a Westerner who can't really get out of your own mind and you don't even know that you can't get out of your mind because you don't know what it's like to be out of your own mind and that's what you call the ego death a little bit like he kind of you lose your your your sense of this self of you who you are like. My name is Jeff. I'm a white guy from Canada. All that's gone. I'm just sorta like soul there and I have to get used to that so I've seen so many people and I always think like the people who need to do these things. The most are the people who will never do it because when I talked to some of them and they're just like all like are you know so. I'm so stressed and all this stuff. I'm like man you really need to do. Some like psychedelics. Big and they're like no we. I'm too you know it's like man the you're the one who needs it the most so like from what. I just said there. What would you say to say to people that have never tried? It just reminded me of a phrase leery which he said the producers psychosis in those who have never taken it like you know those who have never taken it always afraid of it. They are kind of more. Say actually those who are taking so and he actually had another phrase called Think for yourself Western authority and this is something that came from the sixties from from the re the discovery of the when there was a lot of this this Thing Vietnam and you know all of that that that's going on I think I should clarify there. You know I started mentioning Synthetic psychedelics. That there's a really big difference between taking psychedelics in recreational form and taking them in a therapeutic form and Yeah because Somehow I don't know just the setting and and the the mindset are really really important when you do this this practice and So also there You know this is something that also has to be handled In a careful way and responsible way and You need you need a really good mindset in and ideally someone who can guide you through or support you Did you to the bathroom if you need to give you a hand when you need it You know this kind of this. Kind of support So I I I started talking about something else but it's finally. I just interested in general but all this stuff yeah I mean. I wouldn't say that everyone has to try psychedelics. Lucas Meditation but I think that it's it's extremely useful lake meditation for example and. Yeah I agree with what you say that you know how how a lot of people should should try this and I guess I should mention also that Psychedelics you know of of the different drugs. Psychedelics is kind of drugs we could call them or plant that don't produce addiction rather they're usually good against addiction so even. I don't know if you knew even for example. Lsd was One was used a lot for treating alcoholism when it was legal. And one of the guys who who open alcoholics anonymous. Actually at a session with Lizzie which which was really important for him and his was supposed to be one of the the twelfth steps. Thirteen dip or something. There's Some letters with you about this and at the end they didn't do it but You know things are being used a lot for treating addictions and also other kinds of treatments There's there's different centers for this. Of course he will and There's some studies actually of In mushrooms used also to treat tobacco addiction. That's that's in New York University and Yeah so usually addictive. Substances kind of lower your serotonin while psychedelics puts it higher. And you know different things that they're not addictive they didn't do not cause withdrawal actually usually when you take them it's like you you don't want to win or maybe not again so yeah. Yeah that's where I met actually haven't done anything to psychedelic and a while because I did. I got a few times and I did a Bogo. Which was insane then. I did that five. M. D. M. T. I did some mushrooms. I did San San Pedro something like that One of those and then after that I was. Kinda like wow. I'm like a million times better than I was before and most of the experiences were not that easy for me so I'm like okay. I'm good for awhile. I'm just GONNA leave it. I don't hear the calling that much although I did. WanNa let you know that if you are bringing five. Emmy owed. Emt this year. We'll get into what you're doing this year that I might try that one but I don't WanNa do. I watched great things just too too big of a thing right now and. I'm I'm pretty happy with where I'm at. I don't WanNa like almost screw it up kind of thing but But it also is very very hard for me to do those things. That's so that goes to your point. Yeah it's not like you do I get all of a sudden you're doing it every day. You can't like it's too intense. It's and it's nothing is not something that's what I think. Some people might do it kind of like they call themselves psycho nuts they kind of do it for the thrill of going into their mind and all that kind of stuff and they do get a thrill out of it that sort of thing but for me it was just like ten years of of therapy in about five hours and it was very very tiring and and a lot of it was it was hard to do but once it was done. I felt a lot better so I said to people in the past. That if you're thinking about doing these things and you feel like you want to then deathly give it a try. Because it's kind of like a calling when I I was. I was really Kinda like at the bottom of the barrel sort of a thing very almost suicidal depressed drinking. Lots didn't WanNa live anymore and I just you know all of a sudden actually I remember all of a sudden I saw Iowa popping up all over the place. It's like the universe or whatever you WANNA call it which is putting in front of me all the time and I didn't even know what the word was at the time. This is like five years ago wasn't as well known then and after seeing it a few times on like what is this. I looked it up but as I oh and oh it's it helps with depression and helps with this sort of stuff and eventually I just went and did it so I kind of like it kind of called me and that's really when I think a lot of people should consider these things when they kind of feel that calling. Yeah well Yeah definitely sometimes. It's very hard experience. Usually when it harder experience you also Derive more out of it But it can also be a light experienced in software experience so you can you take lake for example a small cup of a West and this is something that that usually for example when we serve we give a little bit and then you can take a little bit more in a little bit more so you can kind of feel how intense you. How far are you want to grow into the thinking confrontation Yeah yeah very interesting so I WANNA ask you. What's because I know you're doing a number of different things this year at an archipelago which is coming up in just a couple of days. So we're on our way. They're pretty much in the next few days but I also WanNa ask you because been doing this for five years and I've heard over the years so many people have come up to me and they've said I did Iowa three years ago to Arca POCO ended improve my life. It changed my life dramatically. I'm a different person since then so I'm sure you've heard some of these experiences from some people. Why don't you give us a few of your experiences? My experience my personal experience. What you've heard from other people as well but you can give us your experiences as this is crazy Yeah I remember the first time I participated we've made The the ceremony at CUCO. It was after the conference and we actually made it in the same room hall where all the conference and everyone was really happy about any had a very nice view of the ocean That was in the ground yet and everyone was They told me a lot that because it happened in the same hall where they had been there for. You know all these days listening and thinking like it was really integrated like really integrate everything that happened and reflect and and and There was like a lot of also. I feel like a nice group cohesion cohesion. You know and and making those those really night remember that and Yeah Yeah I I've also heard really good commentary Actually you mentioned if I was doing five Emil. Emt and and actually the job were that we're doing. The hour ceremony are five. Talk season so like the. This is the the alkaloid but it's actually Soccer for free the top of a tree from the Amazon. We Cook it. And there's a certain process and that becomes a you know and and that the the The main alkaloid it's TV and see which is actually also what you had that time. How was your experience that that was great? Actually it was kind of funny because I was so stressed and busy with an ARCA POCO and I'd forgot that we talked. And you said you were GONNA come by my place and give me some. I forgot all about it so I'm just sitting there. I'm trying to like de-stress from America Polka and all of a sudden you're there and you're like don't you remember I was like Oh man I forgot and I think he blew it up my nose or something right was was that the one yeah. Yeah so I was like okay. Well let's do it and so I did it and yeah it was. It was like really. It was actually my best psychedelic experience. Because it wasn't there was no. It wasn't torture us at all it was. I saw all kinds of symbols like millions of symbols every symbol like the Islamic religion. The the the like it was just all over the place and I saw like every religion and history and all kinds of animals and I remember very fast and it was like not tortuous at all and I was kind of like just really enjoying like I was like in this big cutter like library of everything that's ever happened in the history of the universe sort of a thing and every symbol the symbols. Really what I noticed is I just could see every symbol. I was like well. Symbols are everywhere and I was starting to think about that and I remember to this day that a near the end I started going like this and it's like and and I started to come out of it and you're just sitting there watching me and you said what was that. Why did you do that and I said to you because I realized I had all this baggage? And all this sort of like old select. What would you call it like Dogma and legs things you were taught in? And they're just clinging to me and I wanted to get him off. I wanted to be free of it all and that's what I was doing in that moment so it was nothing too. Super Lake changed my life sort of thing but it was kind of like this kind of like a quick little reminder of who you are where you are what's going on and and just like don't let this stuff you know cling to you too much. That's what I got from my experience. Yeah and I know we've talked to numerous times. You got crazy stories about you that when I was doing the Aboagye Man I was inbetween day. One and day two and we're about to do day to and I. I remember I was telling you guys. I'm like I can't do it. I can't do it and I think you and there was a girl. There forgot her name. And you guys said you just have to you. You're like halfway through it down and trust us to the second time. It's not going to be as hard and I was just like. I was drained. I was like I can't do it. I think I'm GonNa die and but I decided to do it android before I was about to do it. You've got all happy and I was like What's he so happy about? And they he's he's about to go to. Sundance and I was like. Oh like a dance or something and you don't know what the sun dances. I was like. No what is it. And they're like he's not he's going to go out into the forest or something for like a week not eat not even drink water and then he's going to hang himself through through hooks through his chest from a tree all day and you you look like you're it was like Christmas time. You're like so happy like I can't wait and when I heard what you were gonNA. Do like this guy is interesting cat. Yeah I actually haven't done that in a while I did five times though. that's From the low quotas tradition and Yeah it's it's it's kind of. It's pretty psychedelic. Also because you because you're not drinking water and and you're just doing ecstatic dancing all day all day for for four days. It's it's about one week but it's actually four days of ecstasy and actually I was hitting Yariel so during the dad and Yeah it's it's pretty good actually have the put hooks through your chest and hang from a tree right. Wow I always said like if I ever do it'll be one of the last things I kinda do. It's like I'm like last on my list of things. I want to try that. It's hard on your body and then also going to born and doing me. Boga there is also very hard because I've been going to a pygmy village so it's very very deep in the forest it's actually you have to arrive. -TUNI- Bolivia in which is the capital. Which is already very far because you have to go through ups But then from really have to Go two days on car like just through the jungle to to to go and then there you're right through the village and that's also very tough because you are. You're in the ground There's nothing they almost. Don't give you anything to eat. And you're just eating a lot of lot of will I was actually the they. They say I'm I'm I'm like white. This they say so. I would like the first foreigner or white to tweet people there in in in that area and actually the kids had never seen someone that means so they were scared something. They would cry because for them. It's like if I was just like blue or like what's happening and And because I was the first foreigner or why do to eat the ball got everyone came from riney far away like really far and there was hundreds of people looking at me in my initiation and they gave me tons and tons and tons of Bograd just because they wanted to see what happens in how I would react and I've I was different because I was Oh so that was a really really strong experience for me less well and also the first time I did I gain. Also that was very very strong because I had I took one tenth of the dose. I mean I could those Which was already really strong for me. I I could. I couldn't walk anymore like talk but I couldn't walk and couldn't get up or anything so they they carried me to to the bed and then they gave me ten times that amount and that was absolutely that was. I couldn't talk after that and I was just you know. Three days of that was very very strong but very powerful very helpful as well and my experience was crazy like a year. Sounds like even crazier which I can't even imagine but I was reading an entire book in the experience and I was actually typing it. So my every when I'd Kinda come to a little bit my fingers going like this because I was reading an entire book and I would actually go on the Internet in my experience and I'd be like oh I need to look up this girl cause I need to include a reference to her in the book and read on Wikipedia. This is all happening. My brain all about it okay. That's the information I played. The fire has seemed like this went on for days and finally finished the book. And I'm like yes and I'm like Oh crap where do I save it and I was trying to. Actually I was trying to upload it to my email in my own head rate as it was starting to wear off. I'm like I can't lose this book. It's the best book ever and and you know and then like a thousand other things going on like the Dotto Boga was that game was that was wild but ho. That was hard. Because you can't get out of it and you're just in it for days and you've got so many crazy stories. I remember you once told me like you and your friends would drink Iowa Oscar for like a week and lock yourselves in a pitch black room. Remember that story. I used to have a a dark dark dark room for retreat to just completely dark And to have a special ventilation so so there's air because it's completely sealed and has a double door so you can bring food inside and Yeah I was. I was giving some treatments there Because just darkness brings up the the empty from inside so so so. That's something interesting actually mt which West has an emt and the Jaguars has five mentally de those two kinds of the MT are produced by the by by our bodies. Naturally I don't know how do you? How do you heard this? He I have here. Okay so Usually when you're you're born and when you're dying is when there's like very big amounts of this being produced and and So when you go into darkness because of the pineal gland in darkness starts to be activated and it starts to produce I the monotony in lean then starts producing the MTA. So you can kind of have like Ouaga soft west experience just being in darkness. Then they and then ten days. After the fifth day you start kind of experiencing the also title game and five minutes off. Cbs Not also in the dark room. Too but yeah I mean. It's it's like sometimes we talk like. Wow it's crazy but also we should mention that I mean it's very deep and and again Really have profound insight about your life and and maybe maybe it's once in a lifetime thing but I think those loans are really really important to kind of you know. Check back on because sometimes we're leaving. We're just like what you were saying. Just going and going and going and you know it's really good to stop and kind of look backwards and and none of this. So yes yeah absolutely. So what are you going to be offering this year book Ziya Wasco Right? And then what else? Yeah so we have three Alaska Fair money we have one. Yati ceremony so The SHAMANS are coming. And they're going to be offering something and And three Jaguar ceremony the one you were at the embassy so we didn't talk too. Much about the PEYOTE A- actually. I've never done so you talk a little bit of that. Yeah well beauty. Essentially the first one that I started learning from I started eating it when I was senior. Sold with my dad and my teachers and It's it's like you said it's very similar to compare through both have mescaline It's it's not as intense like right now. Like boom but it takes longer so west coast four to six hours. The Jaguar into win our and can ten hours so it's it's softer but it's longer and Yeah You know it's kind of hard to describe them. I would say maybe like I was cause more like What's more maybe with Serotonin and more like dreams? You're you're kind of in a dream and like this and beauties more like a more impassive and like more body sensations and Yeah more more like in the now with the body and kind of you know you can feel your heart though and you can feel that this kind of thing. So that's kind of more more of the beauty. Experience sounds quite similar to the San Pedro that I did. It was about that length and it was not intense. I was actually doing it on the beach with someone and we started like in the early evening and about three or four hours in all of a sudden it seemed like time stopped and all of a sudden it felt like I was. We're we're not Kapika so we had the beautiful views in every direction and all of a sudden. It just seemed like everything stopped. And it's not like we're on like a movie set and we're the only people in the movie but it felt really calm like I was saying about if fatherly sorta like everything's okay peaceful. Everything's fine that kind of a thing whereas the Iowa to me was a lot more you know like you know. Wake up sort of like you know. Wake up stupid aren't GonNa wake you up sort of thing. This one seemed a lot lot. Sorta like more fatherly sort of him. Yeah very very so much. Last year I think there was someone who went to the ceremonies and I remember that he said that the US was the one he liked the most. But you know it varies so much for other people. It wasn't so so it was such an important experience so Yeah I guess Sometimes you need a kind of medicine in. Sometimes you need another kind of kind of medicine and everyone's different. Everyone has different experiences. So that's one of the kind of weird things about. It must be for you doing this with a lot of people. It's like know everyone's going to have a different experience. Some people might be like kind of upset. It's like why heard this person had this experience and I didn't have that it's like well. Whatever person and those a lot of times the first time you're doing this it's hard to understand how works. Sometimes the more you do it you can understand and you can more out of it. Sometimes it's the opposite. Sometimes it like the first time it's a while and then it's not as strong. I guess similar to sexually somehow sometimes maybe the first experience is very good and then something like the first experience is not very good. And then you kind of understand. Yeah so for my experience and maybe you can tell me what you think but for someone who's never done any of this stuff but you're interested I would suggest he just tried to five mio. I because it's short and not very torturous and maybe the second one if you want like the same page The peyote and then if you really want to go for the intense experience I think that'd be the Iowa's Corrup- will for what I feel. Is that actually? The Jaguar is most intense one hour which yes But I some very solazzo like in your case you had like a really gentle experience. They like it wasn't like th- Arctic but many times. That's that's the one that's actually most star taking more more lakes strong home so it's like doing Waka but in all together just in one hour so but the party like this short very deep though. It's very dear so Well the also I mean maybe when you when you had your experience was very thick glass and what I've been doing in an article. Buco is giving small glasses out mentioned so Also because you know we're in a in a setting of conference and all of that so I would say that the Odeon the WASCO also with beauty. We will be drinking. Small amounts like this. So if you want to be goes lower I would say maybe it goes to because the Jaguar. It's all at once and and yeah cool so yes so very one POCO. Definitely if you're interested in stuff check it out and it's really hard to do this sort of thing normally if you live in the US you basically almost. Can't I know some people do it in some places but it's pretty illegal and most people don't do it and then even if you do it it's not really with good shamans and things like that and you pointed out that's really important and year year like one of the most famous. Shamans and Mexico and you've got a numerous of the way call them. He Toko took old people be at the which which on what your people so these are like people have been doing it. Their whole lives that sort of thing and so it's not For the you're going to go to the Amazon and do Iowa. You're going to spend a lot of money and but that's one of the places you should do it. Is You know go to a place. That's like authentic and Scott. Those good shamans and other kinds of stuff but it's going to cost a lot of money but if you're the America Poco you could just do it for a few hundred dollars and having experienced that way. So where are you going to be doing all these things this year? Well actually On on Saturday so when I read going we'll we'll check the site but it's going to be it's going to be somewhere in the hotel so make a convenient. Yeah and also I mean It's it's just nice to do it. Also in in the context of the conference because You know doing it before can can help you plan. Salat and and kind of get ready. You know an end open because these these are really good tools to to open into two twin side and all of this and also or during and after you know to just integrate and just reflect on everything so I think that that's pretty interesting especially the kind of the community sense of you know doing this with this community especially. Yeah that's what I hear a lot. I've never actually done it with the community pretty busy and stressed that this. I don't usually have the time or ability to do it with everyone else but I may drop in on a d. m. t. one if I get the opportunity for people who don't know who's Polka Dot Com and you can go to the tickets page and under tickets you scroll down to ceremonies and we have let me just grow hair. So we have the tiger ceremony. So that's the I woke up. And Jaguar is the MT and then the blue dear is I. Guess is the Peyote. So peyote is just one day. Just one cool. So they're all two hundred fifty bucks so that's pretty good like I said. Try flying to the Amazon and see how much that costs. You do all this kind of stuff and kind of cool to do with the fellow. Voluntary's anarchists and you actually told me. I think someone was telling me it was a couple years ago. You brought up some Shamans from the Amazon and and I think it was you as someone who was saying that they kind of wanted to come up to an ARC. Opoku to do it because they saw that. The people at the event lechner cocoa or kind of like the important people to change in this world in the way that it needs to be changed. this was who told me that. Yeah Yeah and I don't remember if it was me but yeah definitely and Yeah I think We should involve a little bit more or or kind of get involved also with indigenous communities because they are really anarchist. You know since forever and I'm also really interesting. Re really interested right now in in For example in Columbia there's a special kind of law which is indigenous law. And through this. You can do a lot of things because they have pretty much like their own They can they can change lost a lot in their territory and this is also something really interesting that I'm I'm kind of looking at and and they they have they have You know the the anarchist communities that have a long tradition and knowledge like for many generations. So they they kind of understand a little bit how you know how how how this small communities works and they have like different kind of political view and a different kind of just just Like they have. I think a lot of knowledge the that we could use In terms of that actually yeah last year for for the Shamans that I brought for two of them. They didn't even have birth certificate so it was kind of weird we had to go and get birth certificate and they were like she was she was at least fifty five years old and he was like seventy years old and they had never had a birth certificate or we had to get a pass or to be able to travel. Yeah yeah that's great. Hopefully we can get more involved in in those sort of community communities in the future and maybe we can talk about that when you're in our book this year. If there's if there's anything that we haven't mentioned that you WanNa mention please do and also for anyone out there who's going to be a book. Not sure if they want to do it but maybe they wanna like go and talk to you or maybe go see what. It's like that sort of thing. How how can they connect with you so we can talk of course And we'll have like a standard also Where some of the indigenous are going to be selling there but They can't go and see because it's You know very private and you know just for the people who are participating because it's I would say you know you might want to cry things when you're taking the medicine so and we will have some musicians. They're also playing music and we'll have integration like if someone needs to racial after. Who HAVE YOU KNOW? We also have psychotherapists transversal therapists not like the psychotherapy but they they. They can can hold space for people who might need this after ceremony and so so kind of around that yet. We can definitely talk. And and Yeah if you're not sure if you want to go or something Yeah you can just email me or we can find each other in the conference room. Where cool didn't realize a lot of these are almost before the conference So the Iowa's February tenth twelfth and then one after or during on the sixteenth and the Jaguar which is the MTA is February thirteenth fourteenth and fifteenth. And then the and and actually. We didn't mention this up hosted event retreat. We also doing yet forgot to mention that one. And that's basically it's it's using a lot of Transformational tools like a little bit breath work ecstatic dancing Fintech movement the different things they with Kind of the PSYCHEDELIC tool. So it's it's a it's a very interesting Creation there that I think that that would be the one I would recommend the most most for people who have never taken Psychedelics before and also for people who kind of want to learn how to how to travel better with these tools because that's for three full days and will be really focusing bitter one on one in you know more more more attention to the call. So that's after the event. I'm trying to see if that's even listed on here retreats. Maybe we have too many things. I want to really simplify everything next year. There's too much stuff but anyway yes. That sounds good. So maybe you might see me at the post retreat because after that I can finally relax a little bit after an archipelago. So yeah. Yeah so Y. They've written a book Dot Com website. Anything you want to let people know about yourself lake. Do you have a website or blog or like Yeah we have a nonprofit. It's called the on foundation. So you can find uncovered dot org. That's world so we're doing the pilgrimage. We're going to indigenous communities to people who have already been in Acapulco and maybe do a ceremony and then you want to go deeper and and and share with these communities or go to Africa to to the Amazon. And we're also just being all kinds of projects there with psychedelic research at. We're waiting for example. A project worker for Peace and conflict resolution giving Iowa go to different the war party that the really really project and we have different projects through the nonprofit. Yeah well that sounds cool. Have linked to that all down below. If you know anyone out there who's kind of like depressed or has addiction problems or just not all that happy in life for stuff like that definitely show this video with them because a lot of these tools that we just talked about here can help a lot of people. And if you'RE GONNA be anarchy book definitely check out all the stuff and I'll see you in just a couple days. 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Tim Grover my gas for episode one. Twenty one of the Jim Rome podcast. It is a great conversation. And it's coming at you right now so tim. It's been a while in fact. I can't believe that we have not caught up sooner than this but as always better late than never it is great to have you on this podcast. Tim How are you things though acclamated thank you for I? Thank you for after things. Are you know obviously with everything that's going on right now? Everybody'S EVERYBODY'S HAVE TO ADJUST. This is this is. This is the time to be resilient this is not the time to quit is not the time to woe is me? This is the time to figure stuff out because this is affecting everybody somehow someway all right so this exactly where. I was going to make shit our listeners. Tim Understand that you were closely with and trained some of the best to ever do it including Michael Jordan. Kobe Bryant Twain. Wade's name a few. You are a bestselling author of a Great Book Relentless Your Keynote Speaker. You help people in all walks of life to be their best version themselves so let me ask you. That people are disconcerted. They're scared they're concerned. It's a really confusing time right now. How should they look at an approach? This challenging time. Well you know what listen it is all those things. Are Everything that you said you know. I. It is a confusing time. People are people are scared people but those are emotions that you feel all the time you feel all the time and you have to deal with those situations all the time. Listen if you're fortunate enough to still be around during this during what's going on right now think of all the stuff that you've already over already conquered in the morning ben of Ben. Through and came through. This is just this is another. This is just another situation that you have to figure it out but you have to be smart enough to. I didn't know who listen to and what to listen to. And don't add already more to the fear that's already out there so everybody's GonNa handle a situation. Everyone's GonNa handle the situation differently. You have to choose how you open to handle the situation but handle it in a smart way. Don't be don't be stupid with it but be resilient with it and you have to keep moving forward this this time. That's what a test us. All all right at the more people that are tested stronger you will come out on the other end. This is one of those situations and I always say you know a lot of times. We get to choose our battles this time battle. Show us all right so I was glad to. That's a great line. I mean sometimes you get to choose your battle and sometimes the ballot chooses you. It seems to me that right now more than ever. It's critical to get your workouts in but gyms are closing folks. Don't know what to do or how or where to workout. In your opinion do people have any excuse not to get their work in terms of workouts during this challenging time? Not at all listen. I actually put a postal on this yesterday. It's like listen. Your body has the ability to create so many so much resistance through exercises and so forth. You don't need okay. You may not be able to do everything. Are you able to join a gym? But you can pretty much do ninety five percent of it with your own body weight. Change the case and hues a little bit us a little creativity. Your body has ability to create all the resistance and the movement patterns that you need. This is actually a great time to get yourself in better shape because you actually have to have more idle time. What are you GONNA do? You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA make matters worse by getting in worse shape if you're already not the most healthiest person out there. This is the time that's GonNa make people even more on healthy because now you like your audio normal routine. You don't do this stuff street. So you kinda sitting at home and you just eating. This is actually a great time for people to take their health to start a great program or maintain. What you're doing for some people even go a little bit farther. Because that what's going to happen is you have to motivate yourself. Don't have an instructor or trainer or somebody telling you. What's in your face telling you this you'll have to figure have to figure things out or you figure things out better you'll be better you'll be able to stand to let me ask you true or false. A weekend of hard partying will erase a week of hard training. True or false crew. How would I don't see that you? And here's the thing especially as you get especially as you get older. You know when you're younger you might be able to get away with it but as you get older. I don't believe in cheek days. Okay everyone talks about you. Know a cheat day or cheated. I don't believe in I believe in a cheap meal I believe in the cheap meal or you can let because you know what happens. Is People over a weekend when they go overboard. They totally go overboard. They like okay. Five days of working two days of of doing whatever I WANNA do okay. Five is greater than two so I can't do that much damage. But here's a great example. I how long does it take to? Let's say let's just pick any kind of candy bar out there. How long does it take an individual to eat a candy bar minutes? Maybe maybe maybe maybe okay. That's if you really savoring it and so forth you know how long it takes. Burn off that five minutes here accomplishment. I don't even want to answer this question because I know where you're going. Tell me anyway. Yeah so I mean it would take you a minimum minimum of fifty minutes worth of high intense cardio or high intense Training the burnt candy bar off. And it's just it's crazy so imagine how much damage when people when they're saying a weekend. Okay you're actually. You're actually doing more damage in those two days. Then you did good in those five. It doesn't balance out. It's the equations. Actually the other way around you end up doing more damage. The math is jacked up. All right Tim I want to ask you. You get trained with and work very closely with Kobe and that helicopter crash that took his life and Jiji's and seven others it. It was him and still so shocking. What went through your mind when you first heard about it. And what did Colby mean to you? Tim was just like everybody else. I know how close he was to you. You Know I. One of news first came out. I was like everybody else. Man This is this is not true. This is not true and my phone started to ring and other things I was like this. This really happened and I knew I knew how often he took that helicopter. I was on that helicopter. Maybe not at particular helicopter but I was on many helicopter rides with him It really didn't hit me until three or four days afterwards and then I was just like and it was just the crazy part about this whole whole situation is we were trying to. We went to trying to connect. I was GONNA GRANDMA to La to see him he was gonNA come to Chicago. We're like okay. Maybe you know if you come down for the All Star game or we'll hook then and we just kept pushing time off off and never got that Latin. We'd never got that. Ladd would never got that moment that we both want that we both wanted to just kinda hang out have have a little bit of fun That is hard that sad so for those who do not know Tim. How did you in Kobe? Initially come together. It was actually through. Mj So what happened was in two thousand seven. Kobe was like it was like man he called. Mj And he said Hey. Mike You Listen. My knees are absolutely. I don't know if I can continue doing it if I can continue playing anymore and M J and I were no longer working working to get together and he goes. Hey listen why. Don't you try my guy out? Kim a Emma shot so koby reached out to me over the phone. You know I went out to La within the assessment change kind of regiment trainers trainers training program around. And you know that that's how we went in you know like. Mj said he always. Kobe was like like little like little brother. It was like you know it was family and when Kobe reached out the MGM. Jay would do anything for him to do anything for him. And that's how we got. We got connected all right. So what did you learn about Kobe? In all those years that you worked with him. I this one how intelligent he was. I mean this kid you know God rest. His soul spoke many different languages and he. He was Fassi knowledgeable in so many different things not only about basketball but football soccer. The Arts movies everything I mean you talk about and everything was. He was so intense and everything he did but his focus. When it was time he had he had interest in all those things but never let never took away. Its focus from being the best basketball player and being the best athletes out there Holding accountable to himself and to the organization and just just wanting to win wanting to win at everything. It was like a sponge. She wanted all the knowledge that I always say the difference between. Mj and Kobe was MD. Would just say hey I hired you go figure this out you know what? What's the program the exercises? Well we need to endure coping wine to know every single detail. He wanted to why we did this many reps on an exercise. Why are we working out at this time? What is this exercise for? What is going on here? Why am I eating this? He wanted to know everything like his work. Ethic was the stuff of Legend. For instance. Did you ever see Kobe's work ethic waiver as an example? Did Kobe ever say to you not today? Tim? I'm not feeling it not today. What's its moral. No it was. It was just the opposite. You know the greatest individuals I and not only in sports you know in your industry the entertainment industry. Whatever industry is you never have to tell them to show up early? You never have to tell them to stay late. Those individuals you gotTa Lilly. You've got a hold of themselves. I would have to tell. Koby enough that's enough. It's time it's time to go. We've already done this and he'd be like no. I WanNa go koby where at that. Point and very few people were able to tell Tell him that and just kind of put the foot down saying you know. We're at a point of no return. We continue to do stuff. It's actually GONNA IT'S GONNA END. It's excellent interest and it took you know because of the level of respect that he had for. Michael in the years I've spent I spent with him. He listened to me sometimes during that big. Not all the time but sometimes these guys never had to vote affected. That was the one thing you've never had. I never had the lightest fire. His buyer was already. His file was already lit. They never me for motivation to elevate everything. They already our tim of acids question of so many people. I'm not saying there's a lot of people like you because there aren't but people you know people like Kobe people like Mike. People like you and I'm always in search of this question you do. I don't know about me. I hope I'm trying. I'm striving but you wrote on. All the people have to do that. History and homework on you every and listen. I'm GonNa pat you on the back right now because I know you won't do it yourself all the stuff that's going on now you know with In the media the TV's Radio. You thought you were like you start this stuff. You guys actually started. People just haven't done people that don't know haven't done their history on you. I appreciate you you and that's really Nice Summit sincerely truly. I really appreciate saying that. That means a lot to me especially coming to you so in. Thank you and I was GonNa say you wrote an amazing book called relentless. And that's what we're talking about. We're talking about guys that are relentless people who are relentless and that this fire was already lit and they were looking to you to elevate them. I want to know how the fire gets. Live for. Instance being relentless. Is it something? You're hardwired for is it something you're born with our people like that or can you learn to be like them and others. Who are you can learn at I? It's all how you handle adversity. It's all how you handle it. And then you know what happens if you look at the greatest individuals in sports business whatever whatever whatever it may be. It's when they got knocked down when they back up. They weren't the same person they were a different person. They were a better person every time they got knocked down and they stood back up. They didn't stand up the same. They stood up either stronger. They stood up smarter. They stood up harder. They stood up more resilient to every time they got knocked out. They stood up a different way and they stood up a different person. So that's how it becomes hard wired because all those things become that wire to success so you know you look at 'em J. and you know if you know his history of for those about him getting cut from the high High School back from the high school basketball but there were other things that even before that or they would think after that. You know people tell me wasn't good enough to play at North Carolina and then with Colby. You know what is this? Who IS THE SEVENTEEN YEAR? Old Kid GonNa talk about coming coming into the coming into the NBA and coming in and having to sit on the bench and deal with all and waiting for his turn. So instead of sitting there and moping about it. It's just like how do you use that? How that's cool. How to keep your own fire to keep their own firearms to keep going. All those things are what bills and hard wires and individual to be to be that way look at all you know you had to get your teeth or your radio. Show the hit to all the other stuff. How many people said what you told you wasted your time doing things this way. And instead of agreement with them if major fire even higher even higher for myself with people said you know you're not gonNA trade these professional athletes but then after all this becomes the most to most important words that you have to back up that like the fire more than anything else. Watch me Michael. Said Watch me. Kobe said watch me. I said. Watch me and I'm sure somewhere in your in your career. You said the same thing. I think you're right Tim. I don't think anybody ever achieves anything. Great without having that chip on their shoulder and that kind of rocket fuel whatever it is now. I can understand how you got to Kobe because you had the endorsement of MJ except MJ was your first proclaiming. Going back to one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. How did you get to Michael Jordan and convince him to let you work in train him so going all the way back to eighty nine so what I did was I send out a bunch of letters? You know handwritten letters I was like okay I I I wrote fourteen letters. Obviously you know there's fifteen there's fifteen MBA players on the roster back then. Oh what was I can't even remember. It wasn't the injured list. What they have What are the three players in active? I can't remember even the name of it but so I sent out fourteen letters to every player in the Chicago Bulls Organization the one person. I didn't send a letter out to was Michael Jordan because I was just like well. He's you know he's already the best player on the team possibly best player in the league. Why would he? Why would he need my help? I got one response back from the one. I didn't send a letter to. He handed a letter to the athletic trainer. Mark file at the time of the team physician. John Heff Ron and said hey find out what this kid's about and three months. I thought the team physician and the team athletic trainer called me and you know they put me through three months of questions and answering and make sure I knew what I was talking about all different stuff about anatomy and physiology and athletic training and so forth and then because what Michael was looking for. Michael didn't want he wanted to have somebody pay attention to him. He was a I pro- high profile professional athlete to say I need a program catered to me not everybody not everybody else and those individuals put me in touch with. Put me in touch with Michael. I had an hour meeting with Michael Michael was. I'm still not sure about this. I said Michael Give me thirty days thirty days. Turn into fifteen years so you amazing story that he was the only one who didn't get the letter and he was the one who responded and came and find. You found you not tim. You've said that Mike. I don't know if you still feel this way. But you said in the past that he was the goat if in fact he was the goat. What separated Mike from all the other? All time greats was it something physical or was it something else. Not You know what a I've dealt with athletes and you know United Vote Seen Athletes. That are more athletic than Michael is but when you have a combination of the athletic ability the work ethic and the mental toughness. You'll say might you don't these great athletes? They had talent you know how many are extremely talented are. But they don't have intelligence for the game or for the nuances. What's going what's going on? I so Michael Cole Twain. All the top athletes they were talented. They were intelligent. They were competitive as hell. And they were so fricking resilient and Michael new audio's all the gifts that he had you know those facet the massive hands so he he worked on not having the you know not having Both hands touch the ball in order to make a whole. You know we've worked on him. Being able to pick the ball up off in trouble stressing those muscle. Spending those figures obviously had the t had the tools to do that already. But just that mice at of never never coming down at anybody else's level always wanting everybody else to elevate their level because he was not going to come back he was not gonna come down to their. Kobe was exact same way. Kobe was the same. Wha- one on one hundred percent I mean you you you heard the stories in practice. And they're true and those that they are absolutely true if you came to practice with either one of those guys and you and you went out and party that that night before it was over it was all. They were lily. They were demoralized. You in that practice over and over and over and over again because they were like listen. This is not the time to do that. We'll all celebrate together at the championship parade. But right now I need every single bit of you and you showing up the practice were you. Getting better is not after night of partying is not acceptable. Now Tim you mentioned the book relentless and in that book you referred to Kobe as quote the ultimate Athletic Predator. What did you mean by that? He would attack your weakness. He did and this was something he learned from. Michael so what we did. Was you know being from a athletic training background and so forth from science background. So what I would do is you. Would you would get the injury reports of the players? So what I would do is I would I would get. I would send the players I would say okay. Hey listen this person. Just had his coming off an ankle sprain or they had they had a knee tendinitis six weeks ago or they jammed a finger so I would say these other front little points of WHO. You're going up against attack employment attack attack attack over and over again so if you see a personal. I if you see an athlete out there that only had the right ankle taped attack that ankle. If you saw somebody have a niece leave on attack attack attack that knee so they look for their opponents weakness and they took advantage of it not only from a physical standpoint but from a from a mental standpoint. And you know how much trash. Kobe talked on the court. Because we know how much trashy talk just sitting at a dinner or lunch right exactly. I know exactly what you're saying. Also you didn't Tim. You didn't need to teach this to those two guys but I know you do teach this what you're saying. Correct me if I'm wrong. You telling people to tap into their dark side right one hundred percent and everybody has a dockside and this isn't about Vampires or star wars or anything like that. The dark side is what keeps you going when nothing else. Will you know when you have when go to sleep hungry and you have to get up and you still get to work? You still have to fight. I what keeps you going? That's that's that's the dark. That's the dark side when you have first city that everybody else uses as an excuse and you use it as a watch people but that's the dockside it what keeps going when enough think else. Well your fuel. It's what's it's what's what's your name. Tim. What FOR THOSE. Who Do not know or don't remember. What was the breakfast club? And who attended what was what were those sessions like. Well the breakfast club it was. It was Michael Steele. I Michael. And then he invited Scotty. And then he invited Scotty invited Ron Harper. So it was those three that would work out on a workout on a regular basis. Now it was open to everybody but those are the only three that showed up a showed up consists soda consistently and the workouts were either at five. Am Six am or seven am and that was strictly by Michael's Michael's calling. He would say this is what time we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA WORKOUT. So he was like he would know what the schedule is. I would I would get to the house about thirty minutes ahead of time. Get every get everything set up and not one time to recall any of those three ever being lake because they would ride each other so much so they held each other accountable health each other responsible and each workout. They all have. We all have a basic program that all three of them did. We had fundamental core exercises at all. Three of them did then. Then I had different programs for each one because obviously they had each one had different issues going on at certain times certain times in their career and after the workout was over and remember this even happened on Game Day. This was not. This was not just on a practice. This was on Game Days. Also the only time they got a chance to take a day off is when the coach gave him a day off if the coach and not game give them a day off. It was a day that they were also training in the gym. And then after we get done without get done without workouts. They'd have breakfast. Prepare for them. They go upstairs eat breakfast. Talk about daily. What's on in sports on that particular day and then before they will leave. The focused got deal who they were. GonNa play who they're getting ready for what what's GonNa Entail in that practice. They end up going to practice ready and then why the other guys were still leaving. They were already done right and that was the one thing that they love. They were like okay so they got to spend more time working on their craft. Like getting early by getting their condition waiting to weight training and conditioning and sports performance funding early. Tim It seems to me like Mike was Mike for sure period. I guess I could argue that. Mike might not have been the Mike. Do we know without Scotty because Scotty was that good? But put that aside from minute. Man I love Ron Harper. And if you didn't bring him up I was going to bring him up man. I loved everything about Ron Harper. That was a pros pro. Ron Harper. Right what was he like to work with one? You listen. Let rhymes basketball. I chew right off the charts off the charts and he's a great example of what you said that Dr about the dark side so you know obviously people that know Ron. He had a little bit of issue stopping problem. So he wasn't. He wasn't very verbal at times I but he was able he. I remember Michael saying that. He had never seen anybody pick up a triangle as quickly as Ron Harper. He said Ron Walk into practice the first day pointing things out he goes. I got it I got. His basketball knowledge was off the charts. So what happened was whoever did When Rana tore his ACL. Whoever did his work? I don't know if it was. If Ron wasn't focused at the time or whoever did the Rehab? They didn't do that. They didn't do the job correctly. And re Rod had a couple of pretty non stellar. Here's with the Chicago Bulls and he was Kinda on as well on his way out. And Michael always respected Ron because of the battles they had you know when he was in Cleveland and Mike was in Michael's in Chicago so he was like. Hey Man listening to come to these guys who see what's going on see if we can get you can go back to where back to where you because my Michael knew how valuable Ron was from. Not only from an offensive standpoint but from a defensive standpoint from a leadership standpoint and knowing that he had he had been battled tested so it was also self serving because he was like if I can get back to where it was or close to it. It's going to help me to get that end result so much respect for Ron Harper. So much to go back to point me to go back to the point you made about him. Having a slight stutter. I WANNA get your opinion on this because and this is one of the reasons why I so admired him in so respected him and I love the guy he would come on my radio program. You know and not to be crass but that that was a pretty fucking big radio program and he would come on and he would and it still is pretty big but he would stutter and what what courage it would take to come on and do an interview with me and he would start or end just just soldier throw at power through it and answer every question in my entire career. I'm never seen anybody like that. I've seen guys overcome things like that or even specifically starter but it would show up at times and sometimes worse than others. But he did the interview. What's that say about him? You know what this so this is I hit. You just brought up a great example of showing up everything that's going on right now. You still gotTA show up. Do you still have to show up so regardless of what you know. What people thought was an inadequacy in Ron? And the way he talked to so far he always showed up. He showed up at every single practice. He showed up at every interview. He showed up on your radio. You showed up on your radio show numerous times. Tv shows he was always there to meet the media after games before the Games. You always have to show up because you know people people always say if you know. Showing up is half. The battle is OC- showing up snow. See this is what showing up is none of the battle. You have to show up you you. You can't do your program. You can't do your radio show you can't do your TV show. You can't do pie. Can Michael can do what he what he did. Kobe can't do what he used to do. You Know Ron can't do it. Nobody can do showing up is a battle. You Ha- showing up as mandatory. It can't be the battle comes after you show up not when you show up you so if you have. Energy is spent where he just like. I showed up today. Just because you showed up doesn't mean you're that how many guests have you interviewed? I that have put that showed up. Weren't really there half of them or more so in other words no credit for showing up no credit for picking up the phone if you're not engaged and you're not interested and you don't WanNa be there. You don't get half credit you don't get exactly you don't get you don't get half credit and here's the thing the people that are great at what they do them more harder on themselves than anybody else. You know if I when I see when I work with an athlete and you know an injury happens or something happens are even if it wasn't my fault it was. I go back through my whole mind about man if I should I should. I did too many I should have done this exercise. I should have added this. You start on you start going over things in your mind every time you do a podcast you do a radio show. Everybody will come on man. That was a great show. Great Show and you remember the one that you could have done better and you know what I should have asked that question. Why this that thing here or something here. That's the dog sides. That never being satisfied. That's being pressure is a privilege always wanting more one hundred percent. I agree a hundred percent. So Tim in two thousand and three. Pat Riley calls you the day of the NBA draft. What did he want so he goes? We're in a little bit he goes. We're in a little bit of dilemma. Right now I said what's and we were still working. We were still working guys out during that time now for the draft. But you know our veterans and he goes he goes. We don't know he goes. Chris came and Dwayne Wade. He goes who is a better player right now. I said Chris Cayman a better player right now and I said but I said hold on I said in two years Wayne Wade. We'll be better player. He has all star superstar potential. And I he goes. We need we he goes. We need a center. Say Take Dwayne Wade. He goes we need to send her. I said take away. He goes still need offended. I said take away Judy because I know I know that. We're going to pick him at pick him at pick him at seven and he wanted to. He wanted to be Chicago Kid. You know his His former agents who passed away now Henry Thomas was also from Chicago so they had. They had this whole thing where they were going to go into to. He was going to go into Chicago. But I said this key and then the other thing was just like I said this kids work ethic. I said his ethnic ability and the one thing Twain Hat Twain. Edgar Kobe Kinda mentioned this. He goes It goes coming off a pick and roll or a screen. He goes twain with the hardest hardest person to To guard because he got through it so quick and he could change direction so fast and obviously that's when Shack nicknamed him the flash but he had these things that when he had to compete he was able to take up to another level. I mean it was just. It was just amazing. It was tim. When you mentioned you. Make Shock I really WANNA thoughts on this pilot you go. I got a couple of quickness. I WanNa hit you with and I appreciate the time but shack like especially especially you tim like I remember. I made a statement on. Espn when I had my show back down about him. Anthony About Shack is. He may have four but he should have six or more and would if you had the same Focus Koby and he literally. He went crazy. He found this. There was a media. Guide that I knew that was close with him and the Media Guy. Calls Me Up and says dude I just WanNa tell you something he. He's really upset like he wants to kill. You literally kill you. I've never seen the big man so upset. He's really upset. You know. Put that aside for a minute. I'm just curious from where you live and what you do and who you are and self actualization and maximizing your abilities when you see somebody like shock. I'm granted an incredibly gifted big man and skilled but probably not as committed as Mike in Kobe as the trainer and motivator that you are what do you think when you see somebody like that without ability who's not maximizing it. It's exactly what you said it exactly. What what what what Kobe said about it? And here's the thing. The reason check was so upset when you said that because I was right one hundred percent why do people who when people get angry and upset is because people always tell you to be truthful with them but when you're truthful with them what happens they don't want you to be to fool with them so Let's everybody that knows it less Kobe USA. Tell them even in practice. He's like dude. If you if you had. If you had what I had or close to it we'd be brought we'd around forget about a three peat. They were they would have kept on going for who knows who knows when right exactly which was my point so yeah we know and the point and point is true so really quickly. What was your reaction to him. Win You see Tom Brady walkaway from walkaway from New England a