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"red ball" Discussed on WBZ NewsRadio 1030
"Red Sox strike out on a plan to go public Fenway Sports Group have been working on a deal that would sell a minority stake to special purpose acquisition company Red Ball axis reporting. The deal was expected to be worth more than a billion dollars, but red Ball couldn't raise enough money to get the proverbial ball rolling. You might not be thinking about it yet. Maybe you think about it every day as you sit in your cubicle, but today is marked as the day you should start planning a getaway vacation. National plan for Vacation Day is today, which means planning starts now the unofficial holiday lands on the last Tuesday of January, just at the peak of winter gloom and wander less And the U. S Travel Association says 63% of Americans say they desperately need a vacation after enduring the pandemic. Diane King Hall was CBS News Coming up Next at 11 30. A tug of war in Washington were right window in Woburn. Our competitors think we're in Woburn. That's because they're not from around here, ones off doing the nation, the others trying to conquer the world right window. All we care about is doing your house because we're around your corner and up your block, and we Like it. They look nice too. But does being a local replacement window company really matter what? Yeah. Does like we're going off the Peabody. They're looking around for Peabody. We have customers over a Natick. They're driving around looking for an attic. And when we go to sit to it, I can't even tell you where they think they're going. Not allowed to say it on the radio. So, yes, right Window If you want energy star windows professionally installed with a lifetime warranty. Call the company that leaves the hill.
"red ball" Discussed on Bloomberg Radio New York
"I'm Susanna Palmer. In the Bloomberg News Room. New York Governor Andrew Cuomo said a robo call citing President Donald Trump spurred division and violence this by directing Orthodox Jews to protest virus fighting restrictions in Brooklyn's Borough Park neighborhood. How ugly how divisions How poisonous At a news briefing yesterday, the governor played a recording of the call. The man on the recording claims he spoke with people in touch with the Trump campaign. The Trump campaign denies that John Henry's Fenway sports is in talks that would essentially take the Red Sox public. This would be in a merger with the acquisition company Red Ball more from Bloomberg's Denise Pellegrini. This would combine Fenway Sports Group with Red Ball in what could value. The combined company at $8 Billion Red Ball is an investment company. It's Colette by legendary baseball executive Billy Beane of Moneyball fame. And it's a special kind of company known a suspect essentially a pool of cash raised from investors with the goal of acquiring a target now merging with specs. Is becoming a popular way to go public. And if this deal goes through the Red Sox would become an asset in a listed company that would also include Fenway's soccer team. Liverpool. Denise Pellegrini. Bloomberg Radio. Epic games failed again to force Apple to put fortnight back in its APP store. While the game developer pursues its antitrust claims against Apple, A federal judge on Friday rejected epics bid for a preliminary injunction that would have required Apple to reinstate the battle Royal video game in the APP store. Apple had removed fortnight back in August after epic set up a direct pay option foreign game purchases that found a way around apples pay system. Tox had a winning week. The S and P. 500 Rose 3.8%. The Dow gained 3.3% the NASDAQ Up 4.6% this week Global News 24 hours a day on air and on Bloomberg Quick take powered by more than 2700, journalists and analysts in more than 120 countries. I'm Susanna Palmer, This is Bloomberg..
"red ball" Discussed on Newsradio 970 WFLA
"Is that website white out windows dot com and the other one is 81381029768138102976 Jane, Let me ask you this, but there's always an interesting question. How did you name your company? Well, a couple different things. So and I grew up with chivalry. I liketo watch Westerns. You know how the white the white hat is always on the good guy. And then the black guy always wears a black hat in the Westerns. Gun's legs with on caviar. One caveat. Sean Boss Hogg. That's right. It's all right. And so one time back when I was doing real estate, I used to go to real estate mixers. And there was always this one guy. One guy can't tell you what his name is because I don't remember, but he had a red Baseball cap on his head every time he went out, and so I always remember the guy with the red ball cap on his head, and so in his business card is a picture of him with his red ball cap. You know, it's part of the name of this real estate investment company never forgot him. I would walk into a room with 100 people when you look around, there's just one red ball cap. So I thought one day when I started company, um or start another company, I'll name it and do something with that, because I like it because it's brand herbal. It's it has a W, which goes with Windows white. How windows kind of rolls off your tongue, and I can also put it on the logo. I can also put it in the uniform and wear one. So I buy those hats by the 10 packs, and, uh, they get dirty really quick because they're white, but I wear them. That's what you have. You put a logo on it as well as just a plain white hat. No, but that's a funny story. Because the first time I got one I'm like, All right. How do I put a logo on this? Well, how do you put a logo on a white hat? So I put white hat On a white hat and look silly. So the words white hat on a white hat and black letters look silly. So my embroider a goes. I have an idea. So he put a picture of a of a hat on a white hat in black embroidery. And I'm like that looks silly, too. It's just how about just the white hat with nothing on it? I totally agree. I was gonna say if you gave me the choice, I was gonna say that that is the perfect way to do it. Your name your company of the white out the white out. And by the way, I love the business stories are so great to find out. How the heck did somebody named there? Cos you always get a different story and and yours literally stems from another guy. Who his Brandon was a red hat, and that's Ah, That's a that's a neat story. I met a man I think I don't think I know your guy, but I know a guy who does that exact same thing, and he's an investor over in ST Pete. Everywhere he goes. He wears a red hat and it's It's so recognizable. So I love the white out. So I expect when you come to my house, we'll have a white hat, right? I better have a white hat on. That's right. Ah, so so have you thought of anything? We like to do the business tip of the week in the last segment. Is there anything you can think of as a successful business owner here in town, um, that you could give us a tip. It could be something of someone to avoid. Or it could be something that you think would be beneficial. There helps someone in business and anything you could think of for the listeners. Here and the one thing that I did that really helped out a lot, and there's a couple different ones out there. I won't name any group names, but there's different referral groups that you could get into and You know, my tip is you need to surround yourself with the right people and so to go to different investor groups and you, you get surrounded by people in all different trades, you know, And also when you're hiring people, you don't necessarily have to hire everyone that's smarter than you. It's good to have some people that are more educated. They're smarter than you book smart, but also you need to Hire people that are street smart. They could be Lehman's, You know, and they look at things differently, so it's good to have a full picture. Of opinions. And so once you have the right people, you should always ask them. Hey, what do you think? Even if you don't use their advice or there opinion, it's good to ask some people they get, you know, so full of themselves. They never ask anyone in their group. What they think it's my way or the highway. Do this do that? This is the only way we could do it. But I learned from the military. You should always lead from the front, not from the back, and you should always work with the group. You should show yourself visible on the projects. You know, I go and meet every one of my customers. And no matter how big I scale this company, I'll still do the same thing. That that is so incredibly good advice. I absolutely agree with that. I've heard that many a times. You know, I've always heard the phrase that there's that theres a You should never turn down free advice. It's what you do with the advice that makes the difference in the leaders and I will say that I constantly asked my team for their opinion. I come up with an idea and try to point the direction. I asked the opinion, and I always asked for feedback, and that's the only way in and you also have to be in the trenches. I like that analogy to the business owners. Being in the trenches is very, very important. If you if you don't lead from the front, then you're not really leaving. How much time we have left humanity left in the show here. Shame. One more time. If somebody needs to reach you, What is the best way to do it? You can reach me at my website, which is white hat windows.
Learning Visiolinguistic Representations with ViLBERT w/ Stefan Lee
"Art of one. I am here at nervous. Twenty nineteen and I am with Stephan. Lee Stephan is an assistant professor at Oregon State In the School of Electrical Engineering and Computer Science Stephan. Welcome to the toy cast. Yeah thanks for inviting me absolutely. Let's talk a little bit about your background before. We dive into some of the many things that you're presenting here at the conference. Sure sure so I DID MY PHD at Indiana University. And most of my work there was sort of on the core computer vision side. So how do I use computer vision to help? Scientists do various tasks zoo. Lots of it was replacing. What would otherwise be human labeling tasks? Okay I I get bored quickly. So in my post DOC extended out to vision in language. So I'm thinking about Problems where an agent tasked to reason about visual input and linguistic input so it s not only understand the visual content to express that understanding by creating language or responding to language things like that and his visual question answering one of the tasks that is interesting. You Yep so. Visual question answering. I've got a number of pieces of work on topic. Okay there's also things like captioning or doing digital dialogues are multi-round Qa. Stylings dialogues. Okay and then. Lately I've been extending out to task that not only have vision language but also some form of action so he's our Language tasks situated and embodied contexts. Where an agent test to see and talk and move to accomplish some sort of task and are the agents that were referring to here they simulated agents mostly. They're saying Leonard agents but some recent work has sort of extended out of the simulator into physical platforms with some surprising success. Okay what's an example of a platform that you're using for simulation over the robotic further robotics on the body Saturday What's the kind of dimensionality? How Complex are they? Yeah so most of the workers even working on so far has been on this pie robot platform which is something that Facebook has recently released. Which is wonderful. Low cost robotic platform local. But I think they call it. That has a really nice interface for machine learning practitioners. Oh really so I have not come across. It's worth looking out so it's You know you can say from tyrod. Import robot and then robot go forward one meter and that sort of the level of the interface. So I'm real machine learning persons robot for things like navigation in grasping so here at the conference. You've got a number of presentations that you're and posters you're involved in Will talk about One of them in most detail. Vilbert about what are some of the others that you've been focusing on sure? So this year I'm presenting number things. He said One of them is one of these embodied tasks so it's a work on what's called vision in language navigation where an agent is sort of spun never before seen environment and given a natural language navigation instruction something like go down the hall turn left at the Wolf head and the Stop on the third bedroom the one with the yellow bedspread or something like this so instructions or this mix of trajectory clues like go forward and turn left and Works and visual grounding landmarks. Knuckling and then the goal is to have an agent that can reason about all of this while actually following that path in simulated world. What are the prior that the agents bringing into this environment? Does it already know what a wolf head is or is it need to figure that out from training so it's a tricky question A Lot of vision in language and we'll touch on this in Vilbert Sort of starts from a set of pre-trade image features instead of pre-trading language features what it doesn't have as a sense of grounding so it may be able to represent a wolf head visually and it may understand the word. Wolf head but the connection between the visual incarnation of a wolf head and then the term isn't there that you expect to learn during the specific task though in Vilbert. The point is that we're trying to P- retrain grounding itself and so you've got the agents paper Yup and then there's Vilbert and then I'm also giving a talk at a workshop on emerging communication. So if you have a agents that interact to perform some task and you want them to share information between each other or communicate How could you make that communication protocol? More interpretive Humans and one way to do that is to make them actually use sort of discreet symbols. So somebody that looks like a word More or less. That doesn't necessarily have that meaning and then the talk is about. How do we make these these communication protocols? Morte now this whole field was kind of. I don't know if popularizes the right word or Villain is a few years ago with the facebook Those two agents that said to develop their own coded language. Yeah Similar kind of vein of of research. Here Yeah except for the fact that we we want understand what the code is right. Yeah Yeah that was the dealer Nodia. Paper had some similar similar goals. Yeah Yeah And so it's an innocence. Kind of merging the field or the desire for explain ability into this emergent communication work. Yeah Yeah and it If you're thinking about building agent that eventually will work with the human communications up being a big part of that. That's how we organize ourselves so making sure that we understand what agent is saying What we're saying is sort of one of the goals my research but not constrained necessarily by English not necessarily an agent to come up with its own stuff if we can map it back some space that has human like structure. That would be fine right so rather than having a unique unique word for the concept of Red Ball would prefer the agent to have a word for red that modifies. A word for ball. So even if it's not English it's something we can map back to a way that we understand How language works so Vilbert What's over all about? Yeah so I hit on this a little bit ago but billboards about learning the associations between the visual incarnation of concept and the linguistic Concept and this is sort of tricky because most people instantly hallucinate the visual part of something whenever they hear the word. When it's when I said Wolfe had. I assume a lot of people immediately. Thought of like game of thrones type of things And there was some visual concept that got brought to mind but the machines don't buy automatically have you can you can learn language and just in a linguistic context and in fact that's what most of natural language processing does is just learning based on its association with other words likewise on the visual side. You're just sort of learning to represent some sparse set of classes and those classes often relate to specific nouns. But they don't have a sense of closeness right so there's new idea that the feature for a cat should be close to the future for Tiger because they're related linguistically or uncertain taxonomy so the point of Vilbert is to try to learn these associations between vision and language directly and this is something we usually call visual grounding out of worker. And so what's the the general approach there presumably in involves Burt transformer former models the name. Yeah so if you look at the Bert models and some of the big successes in NLP. It's these large self supervised tasks so they take a large language Corpus and they learn certain little things to build supervision from unlabeled data so they'll their mascot a few words and have them re- predict it based on the other linguistic context other Alaska sentence follows another sentence in text. And what we find analogues for that in the language space. So there's this data set called conceptual captions. That came out recently. Which is this massive out. On the order about three million Image text pairs where they just found images online. That had all text so some human had provided alternative text for people usually for people who visual impairment You might interact with us by melting over image and it produces some some tex tag. They did some processing on top of that. But is this sort of Webley supervised state where they scraped office down and now the images filtered for kind of symbol simple kind of image types of or are they just raw whatever's out there across the board from everything from flicker style images to pictures of maps. And things like that so it's pretty pretty broad but that's sort of where we start our data source and we perform similar self supervised trainings where we're masking out. Certain amid parts of the image just random and then asking it to reconstruct those given the rest of the image and language and likewise were asking does the sentence match with this image or not or masking out parts of the language and having reconstruct from the image on the text. So we're designing this sort of self supervised multi modal task with this large weekly supervised status. And what we get at the end is a model built some representations that bridge between vision language and then fine tune that for a wide variety of other
'Cannonball Run' record broken with 27 hour, 25 minute cross-country drive - Fox News
"It's a record that doesn't officially exist they say and legally it can't be broken but a team has obliterated the legendary cannonball run mark driving across the USA in twenty seven hours and twenty five minutes the White road and track magazine first broke the news that cross country racers are day toman and Doug tablet along with their spotter Berkeley Chadwick left New York city's red ball garage just after midnight on November the tenth in a modified Mercedes Benz sedan and drove to the port of fino in in Redondo Beach California the same start and finish points there were used during the first cannonball Baker cedar shining sea memorial trophy dash way back in nineteen seventy one they were not taking part in a competition although both of them had in the past Tobin tells fox news autos that he's made the run five times during illicit trans continental events but this time this was just a solo effort specifically designed to break the record that was set in twenty thirteen when end up Bob Bollea along with Dave Blake and Dan how long completed that route in twenty eight hours fifty minutes which was at the time over two hours faster than the previous best time Tobin has a background in the performance car business he now runs in Illinois a CNC machine shop in a clothing company called a crook country he chose a twenty fifteen Mercedes Benz E. sixty three AMG for the trip that he removed the badges from and strategically covered with taper that to make it look like it was as nondescript as possible while to lead up to seven hundred horsepower and installing a fuel cell in the tank so they could get extended range between fill ups he also added a full array of electronic law enforcement countermeasures radar detectors laser jammers police scanners that included a thermal imaging camera now to do a gamble on the roof so they could look for police cars parked on the side of the road I keep that in mind you'd get the numbers there twenty four hours I'm sorry twenty seven hours in twenty five minutes liberated the
"red ball" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"The way police found Danny Ruth Mark and Jane was as unusual as the location Haitian itself and it's still a cause for great speculation to this day. Ruth and Danny were found lying on the cold ground side-by-side ruth to Danny's right. They didn't fall there though. I Sergeant Dolton tells me that it's clear from the crime scene photos that Danny and ruth had laid down on their own own. He says their arms up around their faces to cushion them so that they wouldn't be laying directly in the dirt and leads. Dalton says roof face was buried so tightly tightly in her forearm that her glasses were pushed up onto her forehead. I've thought a lot about that scene over and over and over and I imagine urging them being forced to the ground ruth pushing her glasses and burying her tear soaked face into the sleeve of her coat but bill imagine something different. He says that ruth was religious. He said that when he looks at the pictures he sees them praying in their final moments. Both Ruth and Danny were shot as they they lay on the ground and they died right there crying praying or maybe both but mark and Jane weren't found by that and they weren't even killed in the same way. Police have never disclosed the exact locations or distances from one another. But what I Sergeant Dalton will tell me is that Jane and mark were found away from Ruth and Danny and an almost opposite directions. It's known that Jane was stabbed in the chest with a hunting knife. The second blow to her chest was so severe that the knife blade broke off and remained inside of her and mark. He's the biggest question mark of all to me. His manner of death is by far the most disgust and the most speculated upon online he was found near a tree against some distance away from the other three free and he was laying on his back with his face cut up and swollen online. You can read in any number of articles or discussion. Groups are blogs that he was either being with a chain or was running so fast that he ran into a tree and knocked himself out. But when I brought this up to First Sergeant Dalton this was one of the facts that he was quick to correct he said no way. Dalton tells me that the tree theory is completely unfounded. The rumor is that it started. It'd because some offhand comment that someone at the scene made over forty years ago when they saw him next to the tree thank you ran into it. One Guy Ass and it's something the thing that was ruled out almost immediately but has persisted over all of these years. And I'll tell you my theory on why it's because by all accounts bounce mark shouldn't have died that night yes. His beating was severe. But that's not what killed him. Mark died because he choked on his own blood meaning he was beaten knocked unconscious and then Lee flat on his back long enough that he exceeded what are the odds Dalton Teen Lee again. He suffered no broken when they left him. He presumably still alive. Aw I don't understand why they would leave a living witness. It's this more than anything else. In the case that keeps me up at night if mark would have been turned over just a few degrees or been on his stomach. He could still be here and what happened on. That night. Wouldn't wouldn't be a mystery all these years later. Why did the killer or killers take that chance? We know they had a gun. We know they had a knife and the risk leaving a victim alive to become a potential witness in the early days of my working with for surgeon. Dalton this is what I kept coming back to. Mark was the key to solving this case. I just didn't know how yet.
"red ball" Discussed on Red Ball
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"red ball" Discussed on Red Ball
"The way police found Danny Ruth Mark and Jane was as unusual as the location itself and it still a cause for great speculation. Listen to this day. Ruth in Danny were found lying on the cold ground. side-by-side ruth to Danny's right. They didn't fall there though. I I sergeant. Dolton tells me that it's clear from the crime scene photos that Danny and ruth had laid down on their own. He says their arms were up around their faces to cushion eh so that they wouldn't be laying directly in the dirt and leaves Dalton says roof as was buried so tightly in her forearm that her glasses were pushed up onto her forehead and I thought a lot about that scene over and over and over and I imagine them being forced to the ground ruth pushing her glasses and burying during her tear soaked face into the sleeve of her coat but bill imagine something different. He says that ruth was religious. He said that when he looks at the pictures pictures he sees them praying in their final moments. Both Ruth and Danny were shot as they lay on the ground and they died right there crying praying or maybe both but mark and Jane weren't found by them and they weren't even killed in the same way. Police have never disclose was the exact locations or distances from one another. But what I Sergeant Dalton will tell me is that Jane and mark were found away from Ruth and Danny and almost almost opposite directions. It's known that Jane was stabbed in the chest with a hunting knife. The second blow to her chest was so severe that the knife blade broke off off and remained inside of her and mark. He's the biggest question mark of all to me. His manner of debt is by far the most disgust and the most speculated upon online he was found near a tree against some distance away from the other three and he was laying on his back with his face cut up and swollen online. You can read. In any number of articles. Our discussion groups are blogs that he was either being with a chain or was running running so fast that he ran into a tree and knocked himself out. But when I brought this up to first Arjun Dalton. This was one of the facts that he was quick to correct. He said no way Dalton tells me that the tree theory is completely unfounded. The rumor is that it started because some offhand comment that someone at the scene made over forty forty years ago when they saw him next to the tree think he ran into it. One guy ask and it's something that was ruled out almost immediately but has persisted over for all of these years and I'll tell you my theory on why it's because by all accounts mark shouldn't have died that night. Yes his is beating was severe. That's not what killed him. Mark died because he choked on his own blood meaning he was beaten knocked unconscious conscious and then lay flat on his back long enough that he exceeded what are the odds yours Dalton in Tinley again he he suffered no broken bones when they left him he presumed still alive. I don't understand why they would leeway living. WHOA it's this more than anything else? In the case that keeps me up at night if mark would have been turned over just just a few degrees or on his stomach. He could still be here and what happened on. That night. Wouldn't be a mystery all these years later. Why did the killer or killers take that chance? We know they had a gun. We know they had a knife and yet they risk leaving victim alive to become a potential witness in the early days of my working with First Sergeant Dalton. This is what I kept coming back to. Mark was the key to solving this case. I just I didn't know how yet.
"red ball" Discussed on Red Ball
"So we have Adam in his friend. Adam says he sitting in the car because he knew something was going to go down and he said that his friend went inside side. The Dunkin donuts. Well it turns out that the friend used to date are eyewitness and moreover he was never in her story all those years before she said that no one was in the store. When Kramer confronted her about this in the eighties she tried to say the same gene thing then? They showed her a lineup of pictures. And we got these pictures you know. There are some people look from there. She always said the other guys that are autobiography narrowed it down to like six or twelve pictures. WanNa be one. Being Hoochie dated nope she had known about it. And what about him while he was in there right before I left then I said why are you just telling us it now because they were involved with some take time dope dealers and I was afraid that killed me. I mean those are pretty much our exact words as far as I know. She never retracted her statement about the two men near here the railroad tracks and she still stands by that story today. But it's strange right here. You have this Guy Adam who were expecting to kind of just right off because his story sounds so far fetched but then someone else connected to the case corroborates it even when a dozen do them any good to do so but what if there was no bearded guy and no clean-shaven guy would. This wasn't a robbery gone. Bad Kramer kept working the lead. You gotta work. Until they're dead ends now. Adam says he wasn't involved he just knew what was going to happen. So Kramer. Sm who was it that was involved and what happened. Adam names to guys but who he names is super super strange. Now it's the policy of the Indiana state police to never name persons of interest or suspects which is why we haven't named anyone so far so for the purposes of our episode. We're going to call the two guys that Adam named Tom and Jerry. And here's why it's so strange. that he he named them. Tom had been missing for six months by November. Nineteen seventy eight at the time. Tom and his girlfriend were last. Seen in June of nineteen seventy eight almost a year to the day after they were seen his girlfriend's body was discovered in a fifty five gallon drum outside Mooresville Indiana which is farther south and West than both Johnson County or speedway that. We've been talking about so far. Tom's body auty has never been discovered in the early days. They thought perhaps Tom Killed his girlfriend. But in present day without even a blip of Tom Tom ever on anyone's radar it's assumed he died too and his body has never been discovered. So why is he showing up. In this case people at the time who ran the same circles knew he was missing. It's a weird suspect. Two point two. But it wasn't just Adam who pointed to him Kramer or had heard his name come up years before Adam had come into the picture according to Kramer shortly after the murders a couple of girls who knew Jane Free Three said they'd seen Tom around specifically at Dairy Queen in Abe on one of the girls said that she remembered exactly when because she had just moved and signed a new lease now. This was way back when they didn't know if tom was dead or just skipping town so Kramer remembered this because he thought he could make an arrest. Ask for someone who had a warrant now. He wasn't able to locate tom dead but a year. Later in nineteen seventy nine. When Tom's girlfriend's body was miscount he went back to that same girl and she told me the story? Her version was last time I saw was I was is moving from one place to another. You know I was at the dairy queen that evening. Been Move and mocked up stuck his head in the winter I knew he was on the run run from police sometime but he told her I got a good hideout down south. Nobody's ever going to find. We took her drawing native and but it looked just like his mug picture. She said he used to cure knife in his boot. All the time and people keep saying he was just such a bad guy. Been in a lot of drywall. The He'd have been arrest rest by now. You don't have been arrested twice three times. The odds are probably dead but I went to the apartment complex that she talked about. I am now now. Everybody says it is dead and Jan.. When she was dead the day she move signed her lace was November fourth? Seventy two weeks worth Berge with. So what does this mean. The thing is I don't know I said before People's memories are a faulty. You're more likely to remember stuff if it happened during a big event in your life like moving. But we can't say for sure what I can say for sure for is that. Tom Never surfaced again on police's radar if he was hiding he found a damn good spot. Adam story is that Tom and Jerry loaded the kids into a van and they all drove off together so much changed in Adam story over the years but he consistently put himself close by and said that it was van that they all got loaded into a van. Shir made more sense than a Vega Kramer. Did you try to talk to the other person. Adam name the man that we're calling Jerry. I talked to him for ten fifteen minutes. I'm basically accused him of four murders. I dislike no the answer answer during the unmanned man he never said one word get inside and he didn't say you're wrong kid inside. They are Alabama some. Say a single word.
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"Around the same time of this press conference of a vigil was held for the family and friends of Mark. Jane Ruth and Danny some wonderful and caring citizens raised money to have a memorial erected for them in Leonard Park four trees one for each of them and a marble bench in the center commemorating their lives before going to the memorial. Sergeant Dalton thought it would be important and for me to actually see the places we've been talking about for the last week. The Burger Chef restaurant. The Dunkin donuts wear jeans car was found. It's important to the case. He said all of this tells us something about our suspects we. I went to the spot where Jane's car was found right off of Leonard Park in front of this little White House. I think it's despite when I hear. It was facing this way. Right her curse or the neighbors had poked her head up and had heard the car door slam and then but didn't realize the vehicle parked the If they recognize the bigger the neighborhood avai kid out of Vegas so so so the either this neighbor said when she heard the door slam she was watching the Johnny Carson show according to the Wiki page for the late show starring Johnny Carson. It was on from eleven thirty to one o'clock in the morning which fits into our known window but it doesn't offer much in the way of helping narrow down timeline. Dolton keeps driving as we discuss in more detail which path the driver would have taken from the restaurant to get to this spot. This would be the way. They're likely Jane's car was facing West. Meaning the most likely the route they would have taken would be turned right out of the restaurant parking lot. This is also the easiest as going left would require that you do a u-turn. Two more rights gets gets the car to exactly where police found it. which again is right by the park which is right by the police station? It seems unlikely that someone was incredibly for Miller with the area or parking. The car there doesn't make a whole lot of sense. And that's Mitch. If you're not familiar with an area always go the waking up with no shortcuts and things are not going to when you enter a movie theater it when it comes to everybody has to evacuate everybody will say so. We drove back to the Burger Chef restaurant and where at Dunkin donuts used to be and I was struck by two things up to this point. I'd only ever seen the scene from the street and aerial views on Google maps. I found it hard to I. Believe that the witnesses outside Dunkin donuts could see so much so clearly turn to us. That's the discount tobacco. My God so close so I'm kind of shocked at how much people matt like. I totally different views of two things. I thought the Dunkin donuts was really hard and I also Surprised at how are we drove for. Her car was left without their places to leave it in between here like there and they get it goes back a two why he asked why. And there's only so many different reasons. Why the one? You're you're taking to another car brought it back which I don't think I can. That's really so you wonder how you're going to see him. Talking on the hill we walked around the restaurant. And as we did for Sergeant Dalton points out the railroad tracks behind the restaurant where the two men were said to have come from and he takes me on the loop that the two witnesses would have walked looking for the clock. I keep coming back to Jane's car as we're walking and it's probably probably getting old to him by now but it's a piece of the puzzle that my mind just can't wrap around. Why take her car and not? Danny's Dolan says Thou Lindsey easy. Danny's car was on the side of the restaurant next to the Dunkin donuts. There were people inside. The store was still open. There were cars in the lot they would have been seen. James Car was blocked by the restaurant so they could get in it and drive away without anyone noticing. It makes sense to me but I just keep wondering why why we know that there are four young adults working we assume there's at least two assailants. That would be really hard to squeeze into a small Chevy Vega and I get if you arrived on foot and needed a getaway car when things are moving going fast. Things went wrong but they ditched it. Almost immediately. There had to be another vehicle that took took them all down to Johnson County. So where did the car fit in. We had to cut our walk around the scene. In short it was time to make our way over to the memorial. Family members of some of the victims came in from all over from the back of the crowd out. I just observed the small ceremony that they had and I was amazed at the range of emotions. And how each person had dealt with this tragedy in their own way. Some were still very angry. Some had found peace and ways to heal even in the face of knowing that they may never see answers or justice and N. others many were still just so very sad. It wasn't just family. Who came to the memorial? Though friends of the Victims Old Burger Chef Co workers even detectives who'd previously worked this case showed up to. I stood near Dalton in the back as he reconnected with a retired detective who I was introduced to his Jim. Cramer Cramer worked the case from nineteen seventy eight on through the eighties. He wasn't the first on the scene but he was is brought into the investigation very early on and he was one who talked with many of the suspects and witnesses and family members he knew what a beast this case was when it was fresh and when it was his full-time job along with a dozen others when Dole told him to this case was his now Kramer said something that's been stuck in my head for over for a year. He said they gave you a full time job and handed you a box of snakes to manage and it was the truth old as it was is this case is ever changing constantly moving. You can't work on it in a vacuum. It's being juggled constantly with active cases new tips jobs and the big problems that come with big cases. So where do you go when you've been given a full time job and a box of snakes to manage which you go to all the men. They came before. That's next time on Red Ball..
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"red ball" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"He he gave me that crinkled eyes smile when he thanked me for working with them. He was ready to try something new anything to solve this case but it came with a stern warning warning what we were about to do. Make people uncomfortable. Police didn't work with outside agencies this way in the possibilities seemed wonderful but the pitfalls were great and it was hard for me to wrap my head around that then. I just wanted to help and I couldn't see the downfall but I would eventually I Sergeant Dalton explains me that he was new to the job only been there a couple of months and he decided all of the cold cases he could pick he was going to focus on Burger Chef. The the fortieth anniversary was coming up and it was now or never the twenty plus three ring binders and over. One hundred audio cassette tapes have their own designated closet at the ISP SP office so why not start. Their Dalton was only a grade school when the murders happened he hadn't been on the scene in nineteen seventy eight. He was never assigned the case before four but it was his now kind of the way it works with the Indiana state. Police is that they don't have a cold case division. So you have to do your normal job work. The active of cases which for Dalton that means reading and approving every case report that his seven detectives file at any one point. Each detective could be juggling a double double digit caseload and don't had to oversee all of it and then in your free time nights weekend days you take. PTO You can work on cold cases aces. Someone once told me that a detective gets brought in when Shit is fucked up and their job is to on fucked the shit it. Basically in less cop speak they have to bring order to chaos. But it's no easy task especially when that shit got fucked up so many years before you even on the job Bob and the nets that the system is far from perfect it is a waterfall of cases that come in and they don't stop the he'd come in but we give you a garden the House to get them up because the process slow shooting adult decided that it was now now is the time to tackle the waterfall. That was burger shop along with all of his active cases. The first time I met with him we were joined by. Lieutenant Jim Kelly. He works active active cases over at the speedway police department but he was designated as Dolan's liaison for speedway in case he needed anything from them. Dalton and Tilly asked me what I'd heard what about this case beforehand. We talked for a little while about my understanding which coming in was pretty limited. Most of what I knew came from living long enough in the city of Indianapolis Indianapolis people would hear that I host a crime podcast and start to recall their own memories of the case to me. Someone always knew someone who knew someone who went to school or work with or somehow was connected to one of the victims around mid November. Every year I catch glimpses of anniversary specials from local news outlets were the same basic information and facts were repeated dead. I laid out an overview of what I knew I Sergeant Dalton and he corroborated most of the publicly known facts but also corrected some of the others based on his knowledge of the case ace though he was quick to admit he still had a lot of learning to do in the past. It's taken new detectives years before they could wrap their heads around this case and Dolton wasn't claiming to be any better than that once we got done talking about our general knowledge of the case. I asked for Sergeant Dalton. Go what now. Where do you start chart? The pictures and stuff are interesting. There's all these reports that the report's come to tell the story of what they done. Investigative Wise we start with the crime scene of our way backwards. So I think that's the way of looking at this case because there are so many radicals are so colony. So let me tell you what's known about the crime scene or rather both crime scenes from that cold night that started started on November Seventeenth nineteen seventy eight..
"red ball" Discussed on Red Ball
"Over the last year Dalton's cataloging has been halted many times. Sometimes it's because of active of cases once he was planning to take three days of Pto to completely focus on the Burger Shack case but a shooting in the city derailed. His plans stuff like this happens all the time other times he was derailed. Because of me. And this podcast. The longer our project went on the more my profile grew the more people took notice. Buddha's got upset days when Dalton's should have been working on active cases or cold. Ones like this. He spent dealing with the politics of his job. People started not personally attacking me as well coming at me from every direction. They were pissed that the police were using my platform to tell their story and it was hard for me to to understand why all I wanted to do was help I wanted to give the police a controlled outlet to tell the victim story and to disseminate information into the public without fear that I was looking for a scoop or reduce something that would irrevocably harm investigation. I wanted to give them more than a sound bite on the news that they had no control. Roll over we live in a world where everyone is looking for the scoop that thing that will give them clicks with no regard to how the information or names that they're releasing could hurt hurt the case forever after the scoop spin got they walk away and leave police in the wake to explain to the family why justice may be even harder to get now because of the information that's been released. I came in wanting to help the Indiana state police but I made their lives a whole hell of a lot harder many of the departments I was supposed to interview for this show. Bath out. They saw this shit. That Dalton was walking through and they didn't WanNa step in it too and I don't blame them. I get why so often tim. Police don't try new things. They aren't afraid of change and they're not trying to cover things up new things. Open them up to a world of Shit and if your eyeballs Abel's deepen it the public doesn't care these still expect you to solve cases and protect the public so there isn't a whole lot of winning so often they just decide to choose. What's it's best for the case and not? What makes them the most popular but they are trying? Dalton was less surprised by all of this than me. He reminds me constantly constantly of what he told me day. One big cases big problems. He fights through the big problems because he really does love the work if all I had to worry about at least his job best job.
"red ball" Discussed on Red Ball
"He gave me that crinkled wrinkled ice mile when he thanked me for working with them. He was ready to try something new anything to solve this case but it came with a stern warning what we were about to do. Make people uncomfortable. Police didn't work with outside agencies this way and the possibilities seemed wonderful but the pitfalls we're great and it was hard for me to wrap my head around that then I just wanted to help and I couldn't see the downfall but I would eventually I sergeant Dolton explains explains me. That he was new to the job only been there a couple of months and he decided all of the cold cases he could pick he was going to focus on Burger Chef. The fortieth anniversary bursary was coming up and it was now or never the twenty plus three ring binders in over one. Hundred audio cassette tapes have their own designated closet at the ISP office so why not start. Their Dalton was only a grade. Schooler when the murders happened. You've been on the scene in nineteen seventy eight. He was never assigned the case before but it was his now will kind of the way it works with the Indiana state. Police is that they don't have a cold case division. So you have to do your normal job work. The act of cases which for Dalton that means reading and approving every case report that his seven detectives file at any one point each detective could be juggling a double digit caseload slowed and Dolton had to oversee all of it and then in your free time nights weekend days you take. PTO You can work on cold cases. Someone told me that a detective gets brought in wins. Shit is fucked up and their job is to on fuck the shit. Basically basically in less cop speak they have to bring order to chaos but it's no easy task especially when that shit got fucked up so many years before you were even on the job and don't the nets that the system is far from perfect. It is a waterfall of cases that come in and they don't stop they keep coming but we give you a garden hose. KOMO process slow shooting Dalton decided that it was now now is the time to tackle the waterfall that was burger shop along with all of his active cases. The first time I met with him we were joined by. Lieutenant Jim Kelly. He works active cases Over at the speedway police department but he was designated as Dolan's liaison for speedway in case he needed anything from them. Don't mentally asked me what I heard about this case beforehand. We talked for a little while about my understanding which coming in was pretty limited. Most of what I knew came from living long enough. In the city of Indianapolis people would hear that I host a crime podcast and start to recall their own memories of the case to me. Someone always knew someone who knew someone who went to school or work with or somehow is connected to one of the victims around mid November. Every year I catch glimpses of anniversary specials from local news outlets were the same basic information and facts were repeated. I laid out an overview of what I knew I urgent Dolton and he corroborated most of the publicly known facts but also corrected some of the others based on his knowledge of the case though Oh he was quick to admit he still had a lot of learning to do in the past. It's taken new detectives years before they wrap their heads around this case and Dolton wasn't claiming to be any better than that. Once we got done talking about our general knowledge of the case I ask for Sergeant Dolton. Well what now. Where do you start? The pictures and stuff are interesting. There's all these reports the reports come to tell the story of what they done but investigative eight of wise we start with the crime scene of backwards so I think that's the way of looking at this case because so many radicals are so many different. So let me tell you what's known about the crime scene or rather both crime scenes from that cold night that started on November of Ember Seventeenth nineteen seventy eight..
"red ball" Discussed on Crime Junkie
"Perfect. I'm here to see Sergeant Bill Dalton. Thank you that was me making my first trip to visit First Sergeant Bill Dalton at Indiana State police over a year ago to say I fell into. This story is still accurate but it feels like an understatement. I've been involuntary with crime. Stoppers Central Indiana for years now and begging them to give me one case any case to cover on a podcast. I wasn't looking for the biggest or the oldest. I'm just as passionate about the ones that no one's heard of. I used my first show crime junkie as a case. Study not to say that I'm capable of solving anything. I'M GONNA leave that to the professionals but to show them that I can tell stories. That are hard to tell and I can get people to care about cases and victims. That might be long forgotten because the public you you listening right now your powerful your interest in cases is what keeps stories alive. And it's what puts pressure on those who committed those crimes so so they know you haven't gotten away with it. It is not over now. I didn't get a lot of traction in the first couple of years. I don't know if you know this but the relationship ship between law enforcement and the media can be rocky and I was asking for something that had never been done at the time before this show. I was easy to criticize police for not working with media. Why not try something new? I'm pretty sure I could have literally been quoted as saying you know. It's been forty years at this point. What what do you have to lose but telling you the story now over a year later I get why? The relationship is so strained and navigating those waters between police police and the public and the media has become as much of a journey as covering the investigation of this case back in two thousand eighteen. I'd almost given up on the idea of working with the police completely. I had tried to start a lot smaller. I asked if I could just get an interview for a single episode of my other show crime junkie rather rather than doing a whole podcast together and I didn't hear anything right away so I thought it was a no until one day in April and it's one of those memories that's that's serious into my brain and feels like just happened yesterday. I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing. I was riding along a busy road on the east side side of Indianapolis when I got a call from an unknown number and I never answer unknown number so. I'm not sure why I did that day but I pick up the phone and I heard the stern envoys of an Indiana state police investigator and listen. I don't care how much you work with police. Or what a perfect cookie. You might be in life if the police call you unexpectedly. Actively in the middle of the day you automatically start trying to figure out what it is that you did wrong but I was in the clear and to make a long story short and mostly because I was so excited that I blacked out a little and I probably couldn't recount this to you in detail if I wanted to. The Indiana state police had recently promoted a new first sergeant in charge of investigations best to Gatien's Bill Dalton in addition to managing their act of Caseload overseeing all of the detectives for the Indiana State Police Indianapolis. He would also be managing cold cases and that year was the fortieth anniversary of Indianapolis most notorious cold-case the Burger Russia. Murderers First Arjun Dalton was going to be looking into the case again and the state police wanted to work with me to bring attention back to the story. The story of what happened to four kids back in nineteen seventy eight after they were taken from their jobs at a Burger Chef restaurant driven about forty minutes away and killed in a rural area of Johnson County in many law enforcement agencies. They have a name for cases like this. The cases that rock community and require all hands on deck the ones that will cause a media frenzy an often only leave fear and grief in their wake. They call it a red red ball over the next four episodes. I'm going to tell you the story of the Burger chef murders and what happened to ruth. Shelton Danny Davis this marked Fleming's and Jane freed in hopes that someone somewhere listening to this. podcast might hold the single piece of information needed to reinvigorate vickery this case but I wanna be clear upfront on what you're going to get. I'm not going to dive deep into all the nitty gritty details or theories or named suspects. Those stories have been told. This story is about Ruth Danny Mark and Jane but along with telling their story. I'm also going to take you alongside the investigation again a place. We Armchair detectives don't often get to see to show you the people who haven't given up on this cold case and what they're doing to try and solve it and what obstacles get in the way when detectives try to take a new approach at solving a forty one year old cold case. This is right ball..
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"When I asked Sergeant Dolton where these bus originated from? He told me a story that dates back to the first days of this investigation nation. The Burger Chef restaurant was located in a pretty busy area of town. Right off of Crawford's fill road which is a main road and the building itself is sandwiched catrine to other businesses. Today if you drive by the standalone building is still there drive through and all but it's vacant now and the Dunkin donuts that used to be next next door is now a discount tobacco on the night of November Seventeenth nineteen seventy eight. A teenage girl was finishing her shift at the Dunkin donuts and waiting for her dad to come pick acre up. Her boyfriend at the time had come to meet her to squeeze in a little time together before her dad got there. The two met outside just sitting smoking talking and they walked over to the Burger Chef restaurant to catch a glimpse of the clock on the wall to see how much time they had before her dad came. They do a full lap around the restaurant looking for o'clock while they do that. Nothing is off lights are on no distress. They make their way back to the Dunkin donuts where they finally find a clock. It says eleven thirty which means it's a half hour past closing the to decide to hang out on the side of Dunkin donuts to wait and at some point quaint. They noticed two men approaching them. They seem to have come on foot from the direction of the train tracks behind the Burger Chef restaurant they might not have remembered what they look like except the men walked right up to them and spoke directly at them. They asked to teenagers for some form of identification and when they wouldn't or couldn't provide it the two were told that they should get out of there. These two men told them that there had been a lot of vandalism in the area and it wasn't safe we've to sit out there like that. This girl and her boyfriend left without thinking too much of it until the next couple of days of course when they realized what had happened. So it's this witness and her boyfriend at the time who give police the description of the bearded man and the clean shaven man no at the time. It seems like a great lead. According to this witness all is well at eleven thirty then we know by twelve fifteen when Brian comes by the four employees or missing so so there is this small forty five minute window for someone to come in take four grown people hostage move. Jane's car and then get them off the premises. If two people were there in the middle of the night they could have been involved or the very least they might know something so police want to talk to that but sketches or made the bus or created and these images are spread far and wide. No one ever comes forward claiming to be the bearded man or the clean shaven man. This only bolsters the opinions of some that they must have been involved. Whoever they were without a name people began to look at motive? Maybe the why would take them to the WHO many of the past detectives have theorized that it was a robbery. Gone bad you see. There have been other robberies of fast food. Restaurants Burger chefs in fact around the same time of these murders for forty years. It's been the main speculation that this is how it all started boarded little over five hundred dollars taken from the safe. That's like a few grand in today's money. Then maybe the robbers got recognized and they panicked. They didn't know what to do. They loaded the kids up. Drove them out to the middle of nowhere and somehow things spiraled and ended badly..
"red ball" Discussed on Red Ball
"To see Sergeant Bill Dalton thank you. That was me making my first trip up to visit First Sergeant Bill Dalton at Indiana State police over a year ago to say I fell into. This story is will accurate but if feels like an understatement and I've been volunteering with crime stoppers Central Indiana for years now and begging them to give me one case any case to cover on a podcast. I wasn't looking for the biggest I or the oldest. I'm just as passionate about the ones. No one's heard of I used my first show crime junkie as a case. Study not to say that I'm capable of solving anything. I'M GONNA leave that it to the professionals but to show them that I can tell stories. That are hard to tell and I can get people to care about cases and victims. That might be long forgotten. Because is the public you listening right. Now you're powerful. Your interest in cases is what keeps stories alive. And it's what puts pressure on those who committed those those crimes. So they know you haven't gotten away with it. It is not over now. I didn't get a lot of traction in the first couple of years. I don't know if you know this this but the relationship between law enforcement and the media can be lucky and I was asking for something that had never been done at the time before this show. I was easy to criticize police for not working with media. Why not try something new? I'm pretty sure I could have literally been quoted as saying you know it's been forty years ears at this point. What do you have to lose but telling you the story now over a year later I get why the relationship is so strained and navigating those waters autres between police and the public and the media has become as much of a journey as covering the investigation of this case back in two thousand eighteen gene? I'd almost given up on the idea of working with the police completely. I had tried to start a lot smaller. I asked if I could just get an interview for a single episode of my other show crime junkie rather than doing a whole podcast together and I didn't hear anything right away so I thought it was a no until one day in April and it's one of of those memories that's seared into my brain feels like a just happened yesterday. I remember exactly where I was and what I was doing. I was riding along a busy road on the east side of Indianapolis when I got a call from an unknown number and I never answer unknown number so I'm not sure. Why did that day? But I pick up the phone. And and I heard the stern voice of an Indiana state police investigator and listen. I don't care how much you work with the police. Or what a perfect cookie. You might be in life if the police call all you unexpectedly in the middle of the day you automatically start trying to figure out what it is that you did wrong. But I was in the clear and to make a long story short art and mostly because I was so excited that I blacked out a little and I probably couldn't recount this to you in detail if I wanted to. The Indiana state police had recently promoted a new first sergeant in charge of Investigations Bill Dalton in addition to managing their active caseload and overseeing all of the detectives for the Indiana State Police Indianapolis List. He would also be managing cold cases and that year was the fortieth anniversary of Indianapolis as most notorious cold-case the burger chef murders. First Sergeant Dalton was going to be looking into the case again and the state police wanted to work with me to bring attention back to to the story. The story of what happened to four kids back in nineteen seventy eight after they were taken from their jobs at Burger Chef restaurant driven in about forty minutes away and killed in a rural area of Johnson County in many law enforcement agencies. They have a name for cases like this. The cases uses that rock a community and require all hands on deck the ones that will cause a media frenzy and often only leave fear and grief in their wake. They call all it a red ball over the next four episodes. I'm going to tell you the story of the Burger chef murders and what happened to ruth. Shelton Danny Davis Mark Flynn's and Jane freed in hopes that someone somewhere listening to this. podcast might hold the single piece of information needed needed to reinvigorate this case. But I WANNA be clear upfront on what you're going to get. I'M NOT GONNA dive deep into all the nitty gritty details or theories or named suspects vex. Those stories have been told. This story is about Ruth. Danny Merkin Jane but along with telling their story I'm also going to take you alongside inside the investigation a place. We Armchair detectives. Don't often get to see to show you the people who haven't given up on this cold case and what they're doing to try. Try and solve it. And what obstacles get in the way when detectives try to take a new approach at solving forty-one-year-old cold-case this this is right ball.
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"I guess there's some serious stuff being linked to a too much caffeine slash energy drinks. So the the new study is stroke and seizure and it's not just caffeine. I don't wanna pick on caffeine because in a smaller energy drink. There's about seeing this caffeine has a Cup of coffee, but it's combining with the sugar. Imagine this imagine taking your Cup of coffee and putting about fourteen teaspoons of sugar in that. You would never do it. Right. So and then we combine that with a couple of amino acids that the isolate and then some other chemicals and herbs, and then it's a cocktail that increase your heart rate. And actually we shown the constrict your blood vessels. Which is the big scary part is so I'm not alarmist. And I always feel like these things are for people who have pre existing conditions or they're just going way overboard, and slamming, you know, five red balls, but I guess there's some evidence that just one energy drink could possibly trigger arrhythmia, right? Yeah. I'm I'm with you on the moderation in in most things in life. And I think we're all going to be fine. Right. But this particular thing because of the the the combination of things in that did show with even with young people one drink really can do something to your heart. That would you said in a written years, which is an abnormal rhythm. And that constriction of your your arteries is concerned, especially back constriction happens in your brain. Now. This is something that people would feel with their hearts are racing or they may not even feel it, and then wouldn't seek help you may or may not feel this this arrhythmia it can be mild to where you can't feel it and you're not going to seek help because it's a it's a short term thing. But if you go on and use over and over again, then you've got a real problem. So I think it's if we look at it most people a couple of cups coffee in the morning, not bad for you. There's some evidence that one or two cups of coffee is actually has some health benefits. Know, we're drinking four or five cups of coffee in the morning. And then we pound these things in the afternoon in the evening. I worry about early morning people you guys get up early every day. Probably don't go to bed at a at a normal hour because it's hard to do that. I would think now is wondering if people who may have a Cup of coffee in the morning before they go workout first thing you combine the caffeine with exercise and raising your heart rate. Yeah. But but there's really no evidence that one Cup of coffee, even before your workout can really doing damage to you. So I think he's with with coffee. It's moderation with the energy drinks. I think it needs it should be elimination. And I've seen some studies in the past that said that younger people are more prone to problems does that make sense to you. This study did look at eighteen and under and it had it had a negative effect even on young people. So I think I think we need to focus not just on the on the older folks with heart conditions. I think these energy drinks in particular because of the cocktail that it is. And speaking of cocktail, sometimes they're people combined these with alcohol evening, right? I'm gonna I'm sure you've heard of that. I've seen it done a lot. Yeah. Even more evidence that when we combine it with alcohol now, we got an extra cocktail. It's it's even more Rick. So I'd say so so I was going to I guess you answer my next question. Do you would you say just to avoid these things altogether? I would. Yeah. This is one that like I said earlier, I'm with you in moderation host things, but in this particular avenue, I think we've got to eliminate these things because I don't I don't think. I'm not a fan. That's probably the only one I tasted that was enough for me. Yeah. Me too. And then there's there's over sixty these on the market today, which is hard to believe, it's huge business. I know and I saw there's a huge rise in the diagnoses of irregular heartbeats. I gotta be somehow related Dr David Barschak. Hey, dr. Thanks, good stuff. My pleasure. Have great day. Eight twenty two on eight ten one three one WGN, traffic
"red ball" Discussed on No Laying Up
"Yeah, I think I'll be able to recover, you know, I think being on bent grass and knowing feel that all be just fine. Red balls, cocaine, candidate. Going back to your wind in Denmark, so you find around sixty four to win that day. I think I was kind of curious as to how going to that final round, how much did it feel like you had a big expectation on yourself to win? How different did that day feel to the French Open this past year? We had a great chance to win as well. How do you when you think back to those two days? What was similar and what was different. I think similarities between the two I was I was both both times. I was chasing. I was to back, I believe in Denmark into Sunday. And I think in France, I was quite a few more back. I was like four. So so Denmark, I was like, I'm in the last group. I I have. I'm playing well enough to win this thing. I'm just going to give it everything I have, and and you know, I I'd had some putting struggles early on Thursday and Friday had a bunch of three putts four, five, three putts those two days. And and I knew if I just kinda just play my game and kept hitting it a solid, I was it was gonna fall my way. Just got to keep pushing putting pressure on them and stay stay patient. I guess. All that's really similar France to Francis. The frigging tough, ask course and guys are gonna make mistakes. And even though I knew I was four back or whatever I was, I don't even know what I was. Everyone was at least three back onto the final at five under going into Sunday, and I don't even know who is leading would maybe or can. Hold Kent was winning. He must've been nine or ten, but I think I knew honestly, that can be made up into holes out there. And so guys are going to make big numbers again the day before I just had a bogey-free to under, I believe, and I probably could've shot seven or eight lower. I just didn't make a putt outside of four feet. So I guess it was a little bit similar in those approaches, but I also knew it was a comfortable pairing playmate JT on Sunday there. And you know, he's somebody that I've known for a long time since junior golf college, golf, all that. So even though people might have thought, oh, you know, the crowds with this or that whatever. The crowds are great. I mean, I enjoyed it. You know, we, I think we both birdied. I think he bogeyed one, but we both birdie to. We both hid it inside a three feet there and, and from then on, like, you know, this is this is fun. You on the top. I think he was to number two in the world that time like this is how you want to be in this environment, and you know on a on a really difficult golf course tests all part of your game. It was just like, kinda spurred me on a little bit..
"red ball" Discussed on Post Show Recaps
"Well we did see multipple breakup in this episode we sought to within like a five minute period we learn yates and we saw duggan warmer eddie um so that sort of in we're starting to see potentially franken claire breaking up so maybe that the theme the they're going with also i think that she just doesn't need the gates distraction right now she has a lot going on and if she's gonna be president she can't have like this side peace also l a maybe that's that's part of it and you're maybe says tricky too much accurate coffee he's filling up a model every time we seamen there is eating or drinking something may system lutein she sick of that too much coffee you think of the problem well it mean these he was making a curate when she walked in i could hear it from buzzing i was like oh come on stop yes trenton yes to drink a red ball at this hour slava with coffee dead bows where it's a paul thrive you'd have to worry about anything no matter who you're going to see what our the night bed bowl is the drink of choice in house of cards and anything else from episode before i get into some of these questions yes so you know talking about themes of this episode we also saw the the live feeds were obviously a big part of this episode and we also saw claire talking to us about how we're watching them so right watching people and surveillance was a theme throughout this yes we have the live feeds of house of cards yeah exactly the other they only come once a year and of everybody watches in very quickly but they're very ott.