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"But you can leave something behind for everyone to remember you coming up we explore places that touch on the intersection between this world and the next the folks had atlas you can turn a walk-through Labrador cemetery into a life-affirming experience when you visit Recoleta in Buenos Aires you can't take your wealth with you when you die aries you lived in Buenos Aires and what is so unique about the Recoleta cemetery in the big city in Argentina I lived in Argentina for fourteen years rick and I I still remember to this day the very first time I stepped foot in that cemetery because it's like a little miniature city within a city it has sacred to creepy it's all just ahead on today's travel with Rick Steves where at eight seven seven three three three seven four to five cemetery important site in town Robert joins us now to talk about why he loves digging curious visitors to Buenos Aires Coletta Cemetery Robert Thanks for joining us but then you forget that there's the end of the road as well and the way that people build their mausoleums their family tombs that's how they want to be remembered they welcomed tourists Robert Wright is a guide who's lived in guided in Buenos Aires for many years and he considers that city's historic cemetery the most AH variety of tombs and mausoleums but it's like you're taking a walk through a just four city blocks the covers all of Argentina history you've got the founders it always kind of gives me a little bit better sense of the history of a place as well that I'm visiting because that way I can maybe learn about some of the important players in history that you don't really get access to back we're traveling with the NUTSO repairing our head on travel with Rick Steves this can be some of the most interesting moving and artistic sites in a city you can learn a lot about a society by visiting it's leading graveyards and what are some tips for travelers to recognize the importance of cemeteries in their sightseeing everyone makes a big deal about going to churches yeah and a lot of times that's where baptisms take place ready we leave behind it's not just dust when we're done with it and that's a lot of the rituals of mourning of death have to do with treating the body with the US what she's discovered in her travels with the grim reaper and we'll hear about some of the unusual places in the Atlas Obscure Cabinet of curiosities sites that run the gamut from so it's a great insight to a family's sense of their historical preservation also they're great repositories of art and architecture if you love thank you cemeteries are fascinating and a lot of people don't realize but they really give a fun insight we'll get to Buenos Aires in a minute let's talk cemeteries in general as you've traveled the city you've got all the first presidents that are there every single moment in history even like the very controversial period of the Perron Era Because Eva Peron is very there's really really is GonNa be you're the best bang for your Buck and the clergywoman tells us how her travels have shown her the ways different societies confront mortality and honored just in time for Halloween also stay in the day of the dead we're about to learn how people in different parts of the world honor the end of life and Episcopal Deacon from Iowa you in an art museum we have a very ethnocentric look at who matters in the way we learned history but if you go to a cemetery you can see by the nature of the thousands of that tomb who were the biggest unity I just always go to Europe I'm thinking everywhere in Europe every great city every single said now you have an experience in bonuses tire experience because you know you're walking into somewhere very important with through that large gate and then all of a sudden the whole cemetery opens up before you and you have neat little rows I would love to learn about that but I wouldn't know how if I went to that cemetery would there be a a guided tour available or there's actually maps that you can buy at the entrance gate uh-huh of not usually tombstones because the tombstones were from a previous era but once it became really popular to be buried in Recoleta cemetery eight if you want and there are also a guided tours available usually there are people there that you can do a tour with an any language okay so in English families in them were who am I going to bump into Pete the pitcher for us I think when you first gonNA walk through a very large grand entrance gate and it sort of sets the tone for the the is tourists who are areas you could do that let's the cemetery take me on a walk Robert what am I gonNa see is it a cer- cuff agai is little houses that have you know they started building larger and larger family mausoleums okay so instead of walking in thinking you refine grasp plots or crosses or tombstones there are Zillah few that are leftover tucked in between little corners but there are mainly large mausoleums ups pitcher and many of us travelers have been to the Perlis says in Buenos Aires in Argentina our number eight seven seven three three three seven four to five and Ed's calling in from Vancouver in Washington ed thanks for your call Hi Rick Standing is we have limited space here in our little ledge of land next to the lake or whatever and it's been centuries and your loved one gets a spot as long as his end this is so exciting to have this extra dimension of sighting in our travels this is travel with Rick Steves we're talking with Robert Wright and Robert A tour guide who for years has lived in guided around storage and the ideas that by the time great GRANDPA is in there you're gonNA have room for other people coming along and future generations because by the time wanted to be remembered my question had to do more about you know how do they decide how these these little buildings are built Africa the city because initially cemeteries were located far from residential areas but as the city grows the cemetery was actually surrounded by the city so the say these little buildings where you could look in and you can see well you can see you know the wealth of the families you can see you know what was important to them and how they yeah little level it actually has to do with space requirements okay so if the cemetery's four city blocks it's built into the Urban Harry has no space to expand so basically you're you have to reuse whatever space you have inside you'll build a very fancy mausoleum but you'll have undergone cemetery in Paris and you walk through this grand entry and it's got a street plan sure you know there's the main street there's neighborhood you have to know how to find your loved one a different container and then there's room for other family members so in that way you can continue to use these mausoleums overtime Robert I've been in cemeteries where the his great grandson is time to pass away there's not a whole lot left a great grandpa he's just basically ashes and so he's like one of the most famous corpses on the most famous residents of the cemetery was a woman named Regina what's the story so Rufina cumbersome find her completely passed out they tested to see if she was breathing they didn't feel the breath they thought she had passed away it's a tragic story in and of itself so they buried her and then the next day someone went into go in and check on her and actually they found that the top of the casket lid had but she had an attack on her birthday actually and she kind of passed out at home they were getting ready to go to an opera and all of a sudden they hulu dead who have loved ones who can pay the bill these mausoleum stay in the same family as long as they continue to pay the maintenance fee and there are caretakers of the cemetery that clean and race was the daughter of a very well to do family in fact it said that her mother was having affair with the president of the time nobody really knows for sure sure what better place to go it's an outdoor museum and every cemetery is free exactly you could book for one of the maps the tricia where the famous people learn and moved to the side and what they think is she hadn't Cadillac attack where she's actually basically in a coma and her breathing was so low and but she was actually as you do and and then you've got some people that just have a little slab and there's and there's a lot of these stone homes buildings mausoleums Muslims sisters or her ancestors want to pay essentially the rent for that and there's nobody around anymore that cares anymore they don't pay the upkeep they don't pay that rent right and the the great cemetery in Buenos Aires Recoleta Robert I'd like to have you tell a few stories as a tour guide you know this is Halloween time in cemeteries lend themselves to these stories and how many it's not just one person this is really a family and they're almost look like you could look into some of them and you almost see little bunk beds in there every coffin wherewithal family can sell it and then they'll they'll either reuse the same mausoleum just redecorate maybe a little bit or the whole thing down and build a new one I hadn't thought about that a couple of days just because they're not sure if you're not really sure worked into the traditional Italian kind of the wake also a Perron has as a very fortified a controversial she passed away in nineteen fifty two she had uterine cancer and her last public act was basically seeing her husband one peron reelected and she passed away right after the do minor repairs but what ends up happening is that if there are no family members left or if they decide or if what if their fortune is gone yeah they can't afford the maintenance fee then you're in the US much of a havoc and eventually they do bring her back but then when they bring her back because she's been stolen and moved around and mistreated in her death to they then ways less remembered and he takes up less space so you can move him into a different container and I know this sounds gruesome but it's it is what it is and then you move them into ended up in Milan actually in a cemetery in Milan under a false name so several decades later when Perron comes back to power one of the ways to sort of make amends yeah we were just there on a family trip last month and we actually went back twice to the cemetery it was just so interesting with all the lines body is such a big political symbol that the military dictatorship decided they wanted to hide it so they went in and stole her body it went on various trips everywhere but it life caring for these mausoleums and he eventually could purchase one himself and they say they say that he was so thrilled when it that and they embalmed her body and they decided to put it on public display and then when their government was ousted in nineteen fifty-five her later in the hour a clergywoman from Iowa tells us what she learned about the death rituals and beliefs of people she traveled around the world the meat and next one of the founders of Atlas Obscure joins us to consider some rather macabre places you can visit it's travel with Rick Steves if you dare tell us about place you've visited that gave you goosebumps we're at eight seven seven three three three seven four to five dylan how're you doing that tomb then is free to be uprooted and the bones go into an awesome areas or which is a big hole filled with bones of forgotten loved it's exactly the same with regular let you make room for the highlight the numerous noteworthy places their readers contribute to their website co founder Dylan throws is with us right now to recommend catacombs crypts end cemeteries that are worth of or any decided to make this as permanent home and to this day you can hear the keys of some people say you could hear the keys that he wore on his belt to open the world is full of fascinating and mysterious places and sometimes they might even feel a bit creepy the folks at Atlas Obscure have made it their mission to finally got completed that he committed suicide to just sort of be there forever it's it was like his lifelong dream was to remain in the cemetery so he was a grave digger points areas most historic cemeteries so many I guess the most famous one would be about one of the caretakers of Recoleta cemetery decided to stay there actually he worked agent set me up here the trip of a lifetime where's a place that you wanNA stop I well I think a good starting point Czech Republic I've been trying to make this I don't know but it's just a short train ride away from Prague and if you want bones I agree there's all of those teams that he was taking care of Robert Thank you for I was GonNa say bringing the Recoleta cemetery to life but no putting to death sorry to live she was trapped inside her coffin and she struggled down there she struggled they say that they're scratch marks on on the underneath side of her coffin it's a lot of cultures you let the corpse lay a church in which bones have been arranged in elaborate complex displays including a enormous bone chandelier return the body of Eva and so they actually wanted was living with his third wife Isabel and they were in Franco's Spain this is in the seventies and I'm ready I'm ready right let's grab the grim reaper as our co Guidon hop on a broomstick for some transportation and I'd like you to be my ghoulish travel bone architecture then said let's now that's in the town of couldn't Ahora if I remember correctly that's correct absolutely and you call it check yet which is the new term for the they Nala we can go there Halloween or not and be impressed having alloy rick taste of what's down there and it is also got some artistic arrangements you have different arrangements of skulls set into enormous walls of femurs family could sell that plateau it's real estate tough hard hard times ed thanks for your call sure thank you again this is travel with Rick Steves we're talking with Robert Passages for the sewer they stretch out all the sewers and Paris it would go all the way to Istanbul there's of course a lot of tunnels from the Metro and the underground much of Paris Parisians catacombs are certainly the most famous catacombs in the world and the little section open to the public is a wonderful mapping charting the illicit parts of the catacombs and even throwing enormous events in there there have been some famous stories about there being an entire underground I love that idea this entire kind of subculture there's actually tours of underground Paris that take advantage of the fact that it's honeycombed with passages there's a lot of oh better collection of human bones because it's done with a little artistic flair isn't it I mean wonderful wonderful challenge if you're the person making the chandeliers to take every bone is really but one of the things I love that captures my imagination about the Persian catacombs is that they are enormous and the part that's open to the public is actually very on the churches and what are you GonNa do with six million skeletons while you're going to arrange them in normal tunnels run underneath Paris so the secret societies doing their things down there and as you mentioned now it's the part that's open to the public anyways is just quite an interesting mall and there's a whole other part that is sort of the domain of Cata files of groups in Paris that are obsessed with exploring incredible things to visit but I know there are some wonderful vampire tours of perilous chance where you can be taken around by vampire historian who wants to give you the real story of is you can see her but you can't get very close to her Kano Robert this has been so fun talking about the Recoleta cemetery it's Halloween I would imagine there's a ghost story relating they shipped the body of a Perron to him in Madrid so he's got it he's reelected president then he goes back but leaves Ava in Spain because they they're like Oh this is GonNa create and to Paris deep under the streets after they decided cemeteries are a waste of space and they're not very hygienic let's under the cemetery's free up that land plenty of of options you should probably make us stop in parallel chase one of the greatest cemeteries in the entire world where there are all kinds of movie theater that when the police discovered the chairs and that there had been something going on it was quietly disassembled was all gone within a couple of days so upped what what's the story with a Perron and why the security you could probably do a whole program Rick about the The win and in the case of the catacombs of Paris this I understand was an old plaster of Paris Corey we've all heard of plaster of Paris while they had to quarry that and I was walking around Paris I remember years ago and I had white third on my feet on my shoes and somebody says oh you've been in the catacombs they could just tell that I'd been walking through that plaster looking at every tourist because you're not supposed to take photographs and every tourist is trying to get a photograph of all those skulls hanging from the walls and so on I think that what's really mystic displays you get your femurs over there and you got your skulls over here and any tourist can visit the catacombs of Paris and I should say if we're doing a spooky tour of Paris of which there is of Parisian Vampires Oh my goodness I love cemeteries have all the cemeteries in Europe this is the most interesting from an art and history point of view from music point of view you got great the Capuchin crypt in Rome is small as you said but the one in Palermo in Sicily is much bigger dylan do you have any thoughts on the Capuchin crypt of Italy added to build a tomb that was so super fortified that you you there's no way anybody could break in there a any any against it's very very deep and really heavily the world's most fascinating sites are the numbers eight seven seven three three three seven four to five and Scott is on the line from Chicago's got thanks for your call looms in each room is decorated with owns and different configurations and it's so creepy I mean it's the only place we all the visitors what we are today you will be tomorrow you know and it's just reminded us that half your vacation that we're all mortal creature yeah no it's just made me kind of like seek out these kind of places later on like the catacombs of Paris well you're right this is one of the ultimate bone experience the human body decorated in a way that where it all kind of comes together in a nice sort of beautiful fixture hanging from the ceiling that's right take me when we're thinking of bone can you describe it for us Scott tell us what it's like I love this idea that the hair on your neck would be raising oh take into it divided up into like I still like member the smell of dirt in there you know one of my first trips to Europe women are over here the children over here is a unique experience isn't it it is actually I think the point you made rick about this momentum right away they take the bones and they decorate with them and now one hundred years later they opened up for visitors and I know the smell you're talking about there it's just that fertile dirt would be in check Ya at the said let's also if you're going to see one also a structure filled with bones this is the one to go to it is so it's always good it's wonderful spooky experiences and then it's good to sort of take a step back and say right what was the reason for this what was the philosophy why was this created attention there and they're even dressed people decide what they want to wear for eternity and they're categorized where the policemen are over here and the brothers are over here and Dylan that is such a very important reminder in when I was at the Capuchin crypt just last year I made friends with one of the capuchin monks and we walked through there church I remember being in Romania made some friends and I noticed there was a human skull on the mantle above the fireplace and they said Oh that's GRANDPA in a lot of cultures people still go to the and there's something afterward to recognize that this fear of death is a little bit of a cultural hangup that we have here in our coast in Europe Scott it's the Capuchin crypt in Rome it's just a underneath a church and it's the Capuchin monks have this interesting habit of putting their dead brothers done the Krypton when all the flowers the monk and be being a place of joy because it's it's a perfect example of it's always worth trying to understand a place from its own cultural context and not just yours and Nancy's calling in from as scary place called Sandwich in Massachusetts Nancy thanks for your call I had a question recently I history musty nece and I've got a sort of a chill in my spine right now thinking about that because there's always a what seems not very friendly monk at the far end of the corridor Amora Rabin reminded of one's mortality is is really worth keeping in mind when you go to places like this because again America's kind of the on one out here most of the rest of the world has and he told me this place is a place of joy for me because it helps me not to be afraid of death you know he just wanted to remind me that this is just a little blip in time and yes I think to gain access there are sort of two ways some people just didn't ask permission but I think other people have gone out there you know I think it's symbol to get permission from the right people the Venetian municipal government but I think probably requires a little bit of footwork you could get to play again they'd probably send you there God said to have one bone from every part of the human body plus many more I that's an excellent place to begin you can't get much more elaborate condition right now they're finishing up Trivia Book Tour San Francisco Boston L. A. in Brooklyn there's more on their website Atlas Obscure Dot Com if you want sort of spooky religious sites Italy really is going to be your best bang for your buck and the one in Palermo it's interesting because it's it's S. of a sort of a strict ossuary where it's bone arrangements and it's a bit more of a a mummy fashion show because the bones are still intact own thing I think the putsch enrollments the most neck hair-raising place I've ever visited I would definitely fit that into my next trip to Rome. The Middle Ages was to quarantine people with the plague and Venezuela's the city that was seafaring trading city and you'd imagine they don't WanNa let somebody with the plan and it's not just Europe I mean New York is an archipelago which has both islands that were used for quarantine of tuberculosis victims and the bones of their ancestors and clean them you know family day it's it is America who is sort of so uncomfortable with this whole thing exactly that's good travel Scott thanks for your call welcome thank you thank you and happy Halloween right folded me is the message because as you leave you realize either not just making some stunt to charge for tourists there's a spiritual message here and there reminding very right away from the main part of Venice it's a fascinating opportunity to wonder through the historic cemetery of that great city but You know that was a big deal that tour travel with Rick Steves we're talking with Dylan Thrace and he's written atlas obscure that less obscure is a chance to uncover material on on special days and they light candles and they actually celebrate with their loved ones who are no longer in this world that's right I love that story about the posers from Chopin to Jim Morrison of the doors they're spurs musicians go lots of history and if you're interested in vampires you can be there for the right listen obscure co-founder Dylan is helping us look at some of the stranger places the world has to offer now on travel with Rick Steves their bestselling book is now out in its a much closer relationship to death and the idea of human and even human remains I mean Mexico and comic people go and they take out they come into their town because they know what happens then you could do a whole tour based on plague sites in Europe the plague would sweep through and kill a third of the people and they've usually the poor people doc ID wanted to go over there and then I heard that the public is allowed and there's no access and I was wondering how these other people it can point you to hundreds fascinating crypts and graveyards to visit all with their own stories to tell have you want sort of spooky religious sites and it has a cemetery island as well heart island is one of the world's largest pauper's graveyards and still an active use and this is called Heart Island Minnesota visited the three major island but I heard about the spooky island of Ovadia I believe it's twelve if played island behind there's an island about that Dylan you know about the Plague Island Paul vaguely ah in the video I do and I know that it is off limits to tourists Steve You know one island that you can go to is the cemetery island in Venice and that's very easy trip just five minutes of H. A. R. T. Heart island mostly off limits to the to the public about starting to open up a little bit more all right he will not next time you're in Venice sneak onto Leia and send us a postcard okay bye bye happy Halloween travel with Rick Steves we're talking with Dylan Thrace an world of information to help turn your travel dreams into smooth and affordable reality begin your next trip at Rick Steves dot com uncomfortable with that but I am in it's an exercise for us in our culture to not be afraid of death and realize it's part of life just like people in salary and today it's a very commercial venture with the Michael Jackson and Barack Obama and Vladimir Putin but Bali would have this memorial to their loved ones who still are with them You know one of the most interesting sites in Europe is Madame Toussaud's wax originally started out quite historic and it started out as quick a bloody tradition gives them the backstory of Madame Toussaud's Wax Gallery yeah I find this fast hard as iron from the sky and that is the that is the current consensus that the bones in Skeleton Lake were all travellers killed in a freak hailstorm thatched huts and overtime nature does its work and all that's left are the bones of your relatives and then and then these bones are taken up in there stumbled across this lake high in the Himalayan mountains and it was a little frozen lake that was filled with skeletons it was filled with skulls and bones and is the story of trespassers from another land and these people were actually travelers they were not local who were struck down by an angry goddess who reigned hailstones again a another example of cultural differences around death but at trending cemetery this small village when a relative dies there act at the base of this Banyan tree kind of reffing injury and you'd think that this might be sort of a gross place because they're our body you're out quite what had killed the people in Skeleton Lake and it wasn't until the mid two thousand two thousand five that team went out there they examined the skeleton can across a a lake on auto ferry ride and they're brought to this place where their bodies are essentially just laid on the ground in little thatched huts little sort of Straw it's quite peaceful and meditative and people come and spend time with the relatives there I've got the ashes of my mother in my living room on the shelf and at first I didn't know Skeleton Lake take us there this is one of these stories that when someone submitted it towels obscure I was sure it was a fake I was sure and supposedly would even wait at the base of the Guillotine for recently beheaded heads to roll down so she could do with what would have been an attack or a fight that they were just around like pummeled by golf balls exactly and it turns out that there is a folk song in the area that I thought maybe this had to do with World War Two and it turns out that the bones had been there for an incredibly long time they've been there for twelve hundred years but no one could be they were trying to get one over on us but it turns out it is all real so this story of Skeleton Island is that the nineteen forties a forest ranger and she took this and and translated at a particularly bloody time in French history which is basically she was there during the French Revolution and the forensic evidence was very odd all of these bones the skeleton that similar injuries which is blunt force trauma the heads and shoulders but nothing that matched he's kind of on the ground but in fact the tree itself puts out this like strong spicy sort of sent masks whatever other kind of bad smells would be there in the places that's amazing there's also an island in a cemetery in Bali Trenin cemetery that's famous tons of skulls on an island what's that all about ladies of them in cast a death masks and then go and turn around and create a wax model of that figure and She had a real because these sort of madam too so wax museums are so touristy and they feel like such tourist traps but her story great Halloween Story and she's France she left to kind of make her fortune she went to England and opened up a wax museum that was sort of half horror show half kind of in the seventeen sixty s and she grew up with the anatomist stepfather who taught her about bodies anatomical examination and it's just it's kind of one of these things that is hard to even wrap your mind around there it is and they're still up there and you can organize a hike up to the site and she examples of that in her Wax Museum and then she also had examples of King George and and other royal figures and would pay money to create really elaborate sense and a real flair for presentation and it's in one way it's something that connects her original work with these kinds of tourist traps today which is that after doing this work in clergywoman travelator takes us on a life-affirming trip with the not so grim reaper that's next on travel with Rick Steves building that matched their royal garb and so she understood that these were things that would draw people in for a while had the most popular tourist site in Europe criminals she made wax models of Birkin hair who are famous resurrection s who would dig up corpses and eventually decided digging up corpses too much work leaders murdered people under she's explored Mayan temples the value of the Kings in Egypt and even tourist destination graveyards. Laurie Eric's joins us now on travel with Rick Steves to share Dylan this has really been funded take atlas obscure all the fascinating sights and atlas obscure and see it through the lens of Halloween thanks for joining us and I hope you have it insights from her global tour of death and dying which she writes about in her book near the Exit. Laurie thanks for being with US thank you for having me Rick so you're an episcopal August view death but I do have a somewhat unusual combination of interests and specialties I do think that there are surprising connections between travel indepth I have always looked to journeys to help me figure out things and to help me see how other people have dealt with some of these big questions might be healing shrines but I think there are a lot more correspondences between traveling death than people might realize so when I introduce a radio show we're going to talk about family difficulties forced Episcopal Deacon Laurie Erickson to explore how our experience of the end of life varies around the world as it traveled thousands of life and many of the world's holy sites have a component of death in them and one way they might have been hallowed because of some tragedy or the out near the exit a book about death the not so grim reaper you write that it's about death but it's not necessarily depressing how can you give us a he can and you know pastors deal with life's stages and of course death but you add to that the experience of travel how is travel shaped the way you creepy thank you all of the CNN Ratto and about the lessons of having an open air cremation ground in this small mountain town and I felt like I had been given here the Great Sand Dunes National Park and so open air cremation ground is somewhat similar in some ways to Hindu traditions the banks of the Ganges in India where corpses are burned in public and it is not something that's part of the American way of death at all you have to be from crestone in order to ask that this be done with your remains after you've died and crestone is a very small town it has only one hundred and fifty people surrounded by hundreds of corpses in their their skeletons still clothed hanging on the wall all around you I was with a capuchin friar among who took me on a wall yeah of course but I think many many people of faith have a sense that death is not the end and that was one of the really fascinating things for me to explorer these beliefs as they travelled around the world for me one of the things I described in one of the chapters is about talking with a zen teacher in Crestone more joyful spin on death well one of the truth the perennial truths that I discovered rediscovered for myself in researching and writing the book is that the knowledge in my book is the chance to have a more philosophical perspective on debt to see the way in which other cultures have dealt with it does he mummies in Egypt for example that was and that it's a visceral sense of how we are not going to last in this form I did not see a cremation but I talked did that we're going to die paradoxically is one of the best things we can do to live life more fully and with more zest and I think to that part of the reason a Christian approach to death oh absolutely I think there are a lot of correspondences across cultures and across religious traditions you know the details vary but in the United States if you are Hindu there are places where you can have that done but what makes crestone unusual is that this is a resource for the people of the town strong experience for me and get the chance to think about it you know with a bit more of distance and to see it as part of this grand parade number of people whose loved ones had been cremated in this way and all of them talked about what an elemental sort of experience it was that they're often done at dot why death is set to problematic subject is that we usually encounter it in a time of great grief and one of the reasons I think to travel with the grim reaper is is eight of life that we all experience it's a big package and it's interesting you see that because just a couple months ago I was in the famous capuchin monastery in Palermo in Sicily and the strong belief in the afterlife this was just a celebration that this is a springboard to something else is that something that could resonate with other religions or is is that it can you give me a little sermon as we walked and he was joyful and I asked him why are you joyful and he just gave me the most beautiful comment about just as the first rays of donner coming over the horizon and I think the other thing about this ritual is that it it's communal one of the traditions they have is that every metaphor too for how death affects all of us we're all part of that disillusioned of spirit this is travel with Rick Steves ethnology and out back they had several exhibits one of which a house large enough incredible teaching just in our our afternoon conversation talking about what that meant tell me more about that what is an open air cremation ground we're talking with the travel writer and a Fiscal Deacon Laurie Erikson whose journeyed around the globe to explore issues connected with death and dying right now we're looking at what she shares in her long house were carved images of men and women obviously in flood tide elect though the men one comes forward and put some a branch of juniper wood on the fire and so everyone put something into the fire and I think that's a beautiful that was exposed in traveling to something I'd never seen before Santana Roy Vietnam and visited the museum and dot net or phone number's eight seven seven three three three seven four to five you can email us anytime at radio at Rick Steves DOT COM Marty's calling from Atlanta how all these corpses were a reminder to him that there's so much more to life than what we embrace here in our in our mortal little stint on earth and for him around and who uses it and what are the lessons people learned there too it's in a remote spiritual center in the town of Crestone Colorado Kristan is the big Irish community and I was very familiar with Irish wakes which are raucous and Bella Tori of life of the deceased Thanks for your call Hi Rick Hi Laurie thanks for taking my call this is a fascinating subject to me I grew up in San Francisco there are I think about fifteen hundred that live in the surrounding county and so it's not like they're having these all the time but when they do occur you asked me about the lessons that and that's a vivid example of that from the sound of it you know when you think of vivid and full of life also think of day of the dead celebrations on and it's a beautiful spot on the High Plains with the Sangre de Cristo Mountains in the distance and they liked the Pyre just a little more about this place and they are symbolizing fragility in verse which I assume completes the circle posed for thirty or more bodies but that really fascinating and shocking piece of it was around the outside of this that people learn from them I think the Zen teacher put it very well he said that to watch a body being burned his the ultimate lesson in impermanent folding mourning and death in to community life in to celebration and if there's one practice that quite that intertwining of death infertility but it doesn't surprise me I think a universal response to death is to want to embrace life and had huge Alice's women a lot of them were pregnant and it it looks like in order to to me I don't know if it was really an orgy but I've since read for towns in Guatemala and it was during this time and the towns were kind of ramshackle and pretty dreary but the cemeteries were just festivals book it's called the Exit Lori is also an author of book called Holy Rover Journeys in search of mystery miracles and God for website is Laurie Eric's that I could point to of all that I experienced in researching the book it's Day of the dead I think I think the rest of us should take this on there's a lot of wisdom built into it I was just flying over sprawled out and this was before the tourists were there so it seemed the whole town had come out and they so you wrote about that in Chicago Laurie the Chicago neighborhood of Pilsen has the country's largest day of the dead celebration and I was fourteen of of life I don't know but I had never seen anything like this before it was fast and so this was a burial house and it was decorated with all of these in it to visit that as I was experiencing the grief of my brother's death and my mother entering memory care in a nursing home and it was a wonderful mutual support the fence of strengthening the cords of community connection the dignity the support steep and over the railroad tracks up to the high bluff cemetery I have just was so struck by the high above the water instead of down on the water yes and it was late winter and I saw a service going on in the church and standing on the outskirts discovered it was a funeral ceremony and after the service the church had been fall and there were also people's in some ways you know all the the day of the dead skeletons dressed like brides and riding bicycles and things like that and this combination of in children of the village everybody was present and I joined the throng and walking up that narrow lane and Ackman of a different sort of philosophy of life excuse me of death of really embracing it celebrating it the humor of it is well I think many cultures that have closer ties to their traditional roots do death much better than we do and I think part of that is bonds of community that time it's about her world travels to observe how different traditions help people deal with the realities of death she recommends a number of spiritual travel itineraries on her spirit got now that is the way I would love to grieve my loved ones who pass and anyone in the to the family the valuing of the individual I had never sensed or experienced anything that looked like this and bowls in in demonstrations of fertility lorry that sounds like an interesting insight into the culture and Vietnam absolutely I have not been there have not seen chill travels dot info website you'll also find links to our guests with each week show at Rick Steves dot com slash radio our phone number's eight seven seven morning customs in learning about Victorian mourning customs it made me grateful not to be a Victorian woman because there were a lot of them and they were properly you write about how Victorian Mourning Customs continue to influence us here in the United States is that good or not good what what's your take on Victorian so many countries and cultures as we travel to me in the Ching-kuo Taryn a village like you're talking about people are remembered after they've departed and every week loved ones go up to the very complicated and they would require that someone who had suffered a loss would
Greatest Hits: Well-traveled Bodies
"Welcome to another greatest hits episode of your brain on facts brought to you by your brain on facts. The book available for preorder. Now at your brain on facts dot com slash book and brought to you by my chronic lung condition that we still don't have a diagnosis for but I promise you is not covert nineteen. I just didn't have the lung capacity to record a whole episode of this week but I'll be back on track for next week. The equalization for the vocal track on this episode was not quite where it should have been so you might notice. It sounds a little muffled but this was still one of my favorite episodes. Don't forget there are three and a half hours of bonus material over at Patriotair DOT COM SLASH. Your brain on facts or you can hang out with like-minded curious folks at facebook dot com slash groups slash brainiac break room and now you were feature presentation In the winter of nineteen seventy six the six million dollar man. Tv show was filming in a haunted house in Long Beach. California when a crew member went to move a garish looking dummy to a different spot. The dummies arm broke off at the elbow. It was then that the crew member noticed the end of a human bone. Sticking out of the truncated limb. This wasn't a mannequin. This was elmer mccurdy a career criminal who died sixty five years earlier in Oklahoma. My Name's Moxy. And this is your brain on facts as forensic science slash true crime slash weird history buff of the first order. I almost didn't include mccurdy in today's episode of well-traveled corpses. Because his story makes all of these lists. But you know me. I like to be thorough. Elmer mccurdy was born January. First eighteen eighty two an unwed mother and adopted by his uncle and aunt. The first twenty years of his life were fairly unremarkable until a string of personal losses led him to say screw it. I'm ago Robson. Trains a brief stint in the army. Seen him trained to use nitroglycerine for demolition and he decided to blend the two careers the trouble was he tended to be heavy handed with the explosives once costing his gang ninety percent of the money in a safe he blew their remaining ten percent that they did get was in coins. That were melted together. Mccurdy's final robbery took place on October. Fourth Nineteen Eleven Niro Keys Oklahoma. When mccurdy and his men mistakenly stopped a passenger train instead of the one carrying four hundred thousand dollars that they were after the men were only able to steal about forty six dollars from the mail clerk some whiskey a pistol and the train conductors. Watch a newspaper account of the robbery called it quote. One of the smallest in the history of train robbery even still a two thousand dollar bounty was put on mccurdy and someone gave him up in the wee hours of October seventh. Apostasy of sheriff's tracked mccurdy to a Hacia using bloodhounds. Gunfire was exchanged for over an hour and in the end. Mccurdy was shot in the chest and killed mccurdy. Spotty was subsequently taken to the Johnson funeral home in Husk Oklahoma where it went on claimed Joseph Johnson the owner and undertaker embalmed body with an arsenic based preservative and stored it in the back of the funeral home refusing to bury the body or release it until he had been paid for his services. Johnson then decided if he was going to get any money out of this situation. He'd have to be more proactive. He dressed the corpse up in street. Clothes place to rifle and mccurdy's hands and stood up in the corner of the funeral home for a nickel apiece. Visitors could see the bandit who wouldn't give up. Mccurdy became a popular attraction at the funeral home and also drew the attention of carnival. Promoters though Johnson refused numerous offers to buy the mummified body in nineteen sixteen a man claiming to be elmer mccurdy's long lost brother got permission from the sheriff to take custody of the body and ship it to San Francisco for a proper burial. The following day Johnson released the body to this man and an accomplice who then put it on a train bound for Arkansas City Kansas. Then were in fact. James and Charles Patterson owners of the Great Patterson Carnival shows where mccurdy's corpse would be featured until nineteen twenty two when Paterson sold his operation to Louis. Sonny Sonny use mccurdy's corpse in his Traveling Museum of crime show which featured wax replicas famous outlaws such as Bill Doolan and Jesse James in Nineteen Twenty eight. The corpse was part of the official sideshow that accompanied the Trans American footrace. In thirty three it was acquired for a time. By director Duane Esper- to promote his exploitation film narcotic with an exclamation point in a very William Castle style move. The corpse was placed in the lobby of the theater as a dead dope. Fiend by this time some twenty two years after death mccurdy's body had become fide. The skin was hard and the body had shriveled to the size of a child. Esperer claims that this deterioration was proof of the danger of drunks. Mccurdy's corpse would bounce between warehouses and movie sets for the next four decades damage from mishandling. Meant that the corpse was no longer all that lifelike which is how it found. Its Way to the left in the dark funhouse at the Pike in Long Beach. After it was discovered that he wasn't a mannequin mccurdy was sent to the La Coroner by this time. The body was essentially petrified and had been covered in wax and layers of paint. It weighed about fifty pounds or twenty three kilos and was sixty three inches or one hundred sixty centimeters tall. Some hair was still visible on the sides. And back of the head but mccurdy's ears big toes and many of his fingers. Were missing of all the clues that lead the coroner and accompanying historians to determine the mummy's identity. The most interesting was found in the courteous mouth. It had nothing to do with. His teeth was a nineteen twenty. Four penny and ticket stops to the one forty West Pike side show and the Louis Sunny Museum of crime. The discovery made national headlines and an actual distant relative came forward to claim mccurdy's body which was buried on April twenty second nineteen seventy seven in the boot hill section of the summit new cemetery in Guthrie Oklahoma next to the actual body of outlaw. Bill Doolan two feet of concrete were poured on top of the coffin to ensure that mccurdy's rambling days for over mccurdy. Hardly the only outlaw turned famous. Mummy take the case of one. Hazel Farris born in Kentucky in eighteen eighty orphaned as a child and later married to a man with whom she drank heavily and fought loudly. Her history is morphed into folklore but by all accounts on August Sixth Nineteen Five. The couple had an argument over Paris's desire to buy a new hat. If you've been in a relationship for any length of time you know that wasn't really what they were fighting about. The two came to blows and Farris ended up shooting. Her husband who died on the living room floor. Neighbors heard the gunshots summoned police. The situation did not improve upon their arrival because fairus shot and killed them to a passing. Deputy Sheriff heard. The Commotion Gained Entry. To the House and tried to restrain Farris during the scuffle. The deputy tripped on Ferris's husband's body accidentally firing his gun and shooting off. One of her fingers there is eventually broke free and fatally shot the deputy as well so she shot the sheriff and she did shoot the deputy with five murders under her belt and a five hundred dollar reward for her capture which I couldn't put into modern figures because the inflation calculators don't go back that far fairus fled to Bessemer Alabama to try to begin a new life. One version of her story has her posing as schoolmarm another as her working as a prostitute. Both agree that she drank excessively she took up with a new man and when they became engaged fairus confided in. Him who she really was. He immediately gave her up to police on December twentieth. Nineteen O six fairly certain. She wouldn't emerge victorious from a second shootout. He sulfurous committed suicide by drinking combination of Whiskey fuel. Oil and Arsenic Ferris's body was taken to Adams vermillion furniture which also sold caskets and as such functioned as the local funeral parlour. No one came forward to claim her body which was strangely mummifying rather than decomposing. There is speculation that it's because of the chemicals Ferris drink but I don't put a great deal of stock by that regardless of the reason the corpse had longevity and a certain renown Adams began charging curious visitors ten cents to see the notorious outlaw. After a time Ferris's body hit the road. When atoms loaned the corpse to various exhibitors including his brother and Tuscaloosa Palace of wonders sideshow operator Captain Harvey Leabeau's well and OC Brooks who featured the well preserved remains in his traveling show for forty years when he died brooks left Hazel to a nephew on the condition that any money raised from displaying her be donated to charity. As the story goes Brooks's nephew displayed. Ferris's mummy to raise money to build churches in Tennessee. Just let that paradigm sinking. The nephew eventually brought her back to bessemer where she became an infamous attraction at the newly formed hall of history. The hall of history also had exhibits more typical of a modern history museum such as the door to Martin Luther King. Junior's jail cell and Adolf Hitler's telephone and it's housed in a restored railroad terminal. Just like the Science Museum here in my hometown after a long run at the hall of history I became the subject of a National Geographic documentary. Which is where reality. Reasserts itself over folklore an autopsy performed for the documentary indicated? The mummified woman had died of pneumonia not poisoning but one of her fingers had indeed been shot off some time well before her death. The state of the body tissue was consistent with having been immersed in arsenic. It's entirely possible that the manner of Ferris's death was ret conned to fit the state of the remains after. The documentary was finished. He's Liz owners decided to lay her to rest and had the body cremated. Hazel Farris wasn't the only money shown by sideshow operator. Captain Lee Harvey Boswell after the common-law husband of nightclub performer. Marie O'Day murdered her. He threw her body in. Utah's great salt. Lake where her body remained for twelve years. It had washed ashore but remained covered in salt silt and sand when discovered in nineteen thirty seven. Her body was said to have been quote mummified but not petrified due to the more than twenty percent salt content in the water of the lake. At least that's the way she was billed though days cases more recent and should be easier to verify any backstory. Being offered by someone trying to sell tickets has to be taken with no pun intended a grain of salt. O.`day passed through the hands of at least four showman with names like hoot black and gold tooth Jimmy and was viewed in thirty eight states plus parts of Canada before being sold to Boswell in nineteen seventy five. He removed her from the traditional coffin in which she had been displayed because it offended the public which is a funny place to draw the line and he put her in the Palace of wonders. Alongside shrunken heads and animals. With too many body parts O. Tail may be less like the natural mummies we featured way back in Episode Sixteen Mummies Day and more like mccurdy and Farris that of a body with no one to claim it according to an account from W. F. Dub one of the first people to Exhibit O'Day I. The body was numb. Bombed body of some woman and the red hair was for real. I really don't know how she died. I don't think Marie ever saw the Great Salt Lake and I doubt she was ever even in the State of Utah. I heard a lot of stories about where she came from. And I don't know which one is the truth. The one that sounds the best is that she was found dead sitting in the waiting room of a bus station in Mississippi. There was no idea on her body or in her handbag but she was well-dressed and looked like class. The undertaker assumed someone would show up to claim her body and it would only be a matter of days until he could be rid of her well. The days turned into weeks then months then years and still no one showed up. After so much time had passed a traveling showman came by and offered him something for her. It seemed like a good idea to sell and recover. Something better still to be rid of her so he sold to owners later. Who Black Feast a problem? Not with the law but with rats during the off season when he wasn't on the road with O'Day black had to find a safe place to keep her he didn't want to risk the rats that habituated his storage shed getting to her so he would wrap O'Day up and sort her for the winter under the bed he shared with his wife. I'm willing to assume the wife knew about it because the human body is somewhat more conspicuous than say that Xbox your wife told you you couldn't afford when on the road. O.`day traveled in relative style in a specially converted semi truck boasting Marie. Oh Days Palace car on the side all linked to it in the show notes. If you don't see a link at me as the kids say on twitter at brain on facts pod or facebook or Instagram at your brain on facts black sold to Boswell who had O'Day until his death in two thousand and two. It was about this time that O'Day was examined by college. Professors Ron Beckett and Jerry on Lok for the NAT. Go show the mummy roadshow. They took O'Day to the Radiology Department at Wilson Medical Center North Carolina. Where a cat scan and tissue biopsies were taken in hopes of confirming or refuting the legends surrounding Maria. Day. With a sideshow money. There had to be a story to bring the people in says Kamoke for the carnivals. The story was more important than the mummy itself following a full day of studying and analyzing test results. The professors concluded that O.`day had more likely died from tuberculosis and not violent murder. Also that the modification resulted from using arsenic to embalm the body. Because the amounts found in the tissue for several hundred times the normal concentration. It seems that O'Day has passed the Boswell son and has been in storage ever since she fearing nearly had a shot at either returning to fame were finally being laid to rest when she was among the goods being appraised by Mike and Frank of the TV show American pickers. They passed on O'Day but did spend six hundred dollars on a wax. Elvis most of the bodies on this list brought in money for someone anyway after they died but one entrance was also a source of profit during her life. Julia Pastrana was born in the mountains of western Mexico. Eighteen thirty four. Her life was defined by her appearance. She was entirely covered with thick dark hair. Except for the palm super hands and cels her feet due to a condition called generalized hypertrichosis and the shape of her face was distorted by Ginger Ville Hyperplasia thickening of the lips and gums. The STRANA also had a very prominent brow with thick arched eyebrows an unusually broad nose and uneven teeth. Her mother was convinced that some sort of supernatural force was to blame her daughter's appearance. Such as Hollis sheep shifting where wolves of folklore that were said to cause stillbirths and deformities young. Julia spent the first few years of her life sequestered with her mother in a cave and then in an orphanage though some accounts have Pastrana being sold by an uncle to a circus after learning of her the state governor adopted Tuleya to serve as a sort of live in entertainer there. At least she was given an Education. She learns multiple languages in the arts as well as the manners of high society. She stayed in the governor's home until she was twenty when she decided to return to her village however Pastrana never completed her journey on her way home she encountered American showman who persuaded her to perform on stage soon after she began her career in the United States in Europe. Taking part in traveling. Freak shows and circuses though her singing and dancing were quite capable. That was what people pay to see. Astronomy was billed under names like the woman the baboon lady the nondescript or the bear woman from the wilds of Mexico. One newspaper account from the time said the eyes of this unusual Natura beaming with intelligence while its jaws jagged. Fangs and ears are terrifically hideous. Nearly its whole frame is coated with long glossy hair. It's voice is harmonious for the semi human being is perfectly docile and speaks Spanish language. The idea of Strana as a semi human was established by Dr Alexander Mont who examined her and declared her to be the hybrid of a human ended arena. Ten at the time rang. Itunes were considered to be the wildest and most primitive of primates with dangerous sexuality. Other doctors refuted this ridiculous claim but Pastrana's PR was based on it sharing promotional materials. That underlined her animalistic otherness in. She was described as originating from a tribe of route digger Indians who were spiteful and hard to govern living with animals and being intimate with them basically racism as your main or only selling point despite all of this though the Strana was a kind hearted gentle intelligent young woman. She loved to travel cook and so and willingly submitted herself to examinations by doctors before she was brought to Europe the Strana secretly married her next manager. Theodore lent many believed that she was genuinely in love while lint married her to ensure his golden goose never got away in eighteen fifty seven in Germany Pastrana appeared on stage in a play written especially for her the promotional posters for the show gave her quite a grotesque appearance with exaggerated red lips similar to depictions of African Americans. At the time. When the German audience saw Pastrana they considered the show to be in bad taste and rejected it outright to the point that police had to be called in to stop the show. That's right Germany. Found this whole situation to distasteful in January eighteen. Sixty while touring Russia. The STRANA gave birth to a baby boy also covered in hair by her manager husband. The delivery did not go well fully. Grown Pastrana was only four foot. Five hundred thirty five centimeters and one hundred twelve pounds or fifty kilos with narrow hips. The baby only survived about thirty five hours and three days later. Pastrana herself passed away from infection. Her last words were said to be. I Die Happy. I know I have been loved for myself. At least she's free. Now right to quote Ramsay Bolton if you think this has a happy ending you haven't been paying attention. Lent got another pay day off Pastrana by selling her and the baby to an anatomy professor in Moscow. Dr Sokolov Sokolov spent six months preserving their bodies with a technique. That was part on the fixation. Part taxidermy their bodies were posed in a glass case and put on display at Moscow university's Anatomical Institute when lent realized. There was still money to be made. He regained control over. Pastrana and their sons bodies and spent the next six years hauling. They're glass display case around the world while on tour with his family's corpses lent met Marie. Bartell who had the same rare conditions? Pastrana Solan wooed and married her two. He renamed her Sonora Pastrana and build her as hulas fictitious sister would perform on stage with the preserved bodies in the background. Later lent hit the embalmed bodies and started telling people that Sonora and Julia were actually the same person maybe Sonora just wasn't as big of a draw but Marie turned Sonora fared better than Julia in the long run after she and lent retired in Saint Petersburg lent insane and she had him committed to an asylum where he died. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. Bartell went on to marry a man twenty years her junior she sold the Pastrana bodies to men in all slow. Who put them on display and whose son took them on tour as part of the House of horrors is exhibit was shut down by of all people the Nazis Strana and the baby would be moved from storage space to storage space through Sweden and Norway for Thirty Years. Occasionally still making public appearances in nineteen seventy three. The display of human corpses for profit was outlawed in both countries. This didn't mean it was proper burial time just back into storage at some point. Miscreants broken opened the glass case broke off. Astronomers arm took the mummy of the baby and left it in a field where vermin destroyed it in nineteen seventy nine. The warehouses broken into again and Pastrana disappeared reappearing in Nineteen Ninety at the Institute of Forensic Medicine in Oslo in a janitors closet while scientists and well meaning people debated the merits of burial versus. Study a Mexican artist. Living in Oslo. Lauren Barbuda began the fight to repatriate. Pastrana's remains Barbosa persisted through bureaucratic pushback for three years until the Norwegian National Committee for the evaluation of research on human remains agreed with her. That Julia Pastrana probably would not have wanted her corpse to be in a glass case in Scandinavia pressure from the next ambassador. Didn't hurt either. Bhargava told The New York Times. I felt she deserved the right to regain her dignity and her place in history and in the world's memory in two thousand thirteen the strongest body was returned to Sinoloa delay the Mexico. One hundred and seventy nine years. After she was born there her grave was covered with flowers. Sent by people from all over the world when writing the scripts for these episodes. I put concerted effort into ensuring representation as much as possible for women and people of Color. It's often not easy. History of almost any topic is white men all the way down for well trebled corpses not so much female bodies preserved and bandied about are thick on the ground. It's a bizarrely equal opportunity outcome in in terms of social classes. Well while many famous political leaders and even people adjacent to them have been preserved and put onto sleigh think flabbier Lennon Hugo Chavez Ferdinand Marcos. They tend to stay put not so for Eva. Peron when Argentina's First Lady Eva Peron died in July of nineteen fifty two. It was a blow to her husband. Juan not just personally but also professionally. Ava had been one secret weapon. The only thing keeping the population from turning on him completely the people loved their Evita. Millions went into mourning when she died. Movies were stopped patrons. Were asked to leave restaurants on the news one out within a day. Every flower shop in China Saris was completely sold out as people. Constructed memorials. In the streets avis slide into eternity was slow and enviable. She had breast cancer though want ensured that the doctors kept her diagnosis and the severity of her prognosis from her. There's even contention that. She was lobotomize without her consent. Toward the end of her life when Eva died one planned for Eva to continue being his figurehead. Having already been in talks with the master embalmer. Dr Pedro Ara began the first stage of his proprietary embalming process with an hour of her death. It involved replacing the body fluids with alcohol glycerin which is not too unusual though. He did leave her organs and see to. That's the fancy Latin way of seeing in place then Dr. Laura injected the corpse with wax and covered with a thin film of plastic. The whole process took about a year and cost the equivalent of a hundred thousand dollars. After which doctor declared that Eva Peron was now incorrupt kind of like a Catholic seat? Eva Lay in state at the Ministry of Labor with Doctor. Ira always near at hand to wait until her monument and two more complete but they never were in nineteen fifty five President One. Perron was deposed and forced to flee to Spain. Eva was left behind and hidden with Dr Laura who continued to work on her as if she were his magnum opus. The new President Pedro are Mujuru. Found out that eve is body was still in country and wanted to get her buried as quickly and quietly as possible to this. End the head of military intelligence. Walter Kanungu was ordered to get his body from Dr Ara and take it to the CIA Rita cemetery for burial. There was no indication in my research is to how he got the body from IRA but on route to the cemetery for whatever reason canuk stopped to take a nap. He awoke to find. The truck was surrounded with candles and flowers pretty sure that people knew what was in the truck he switched trucks. Andrew away from the cemetery again. He stopped to rest at night and again. His parking spot became an impromptu memorial. Qingming thought the best thing to do now would be to take Avis corpse to military intelligence headquarters and stick her in the attic of his office. For a year president arm Baru eventually found out and fired. Canuk ordering Davis Corpse had to be taken out of the country did they fare at her to neighboring Chile or why no corpse was moved to Italy. She was buried in Milan under the name. Maria matchy Magistris. But she wouldn't stay there long. In nineteen seventy one are lose killed by guerrilla fighters still loyal to one Perron. The location of his grave was uncovered and priest and a colonel were sent to retrieve her almost. Sounds like the setup for a bad joke. The exhumed the body loaded it into a bakery truck and took eva to one who was in exile in Madrid. Spain Dr Ara was called in to restore eva and she was given a place of honor in the Peron's dining room to the credit of the new senior Perron Isabel. She seemed have been supportive of the idea. Even combing and styling Avis Hair. Two years later one Perron was again elected president of Argentina and flew back with his wife wife singular. He left behind again. Perron died a year later. But that's still wasn't the end of it Peronist. Guerrillas than dug up president are embarrass body and held it for ransom on the demand. That Isabel Perron who was now president. Repatriate Eva's body back in Argentina. The caves body was given to one. Domingo's Lucia he had to contend with not insubstantial damage to his feet possibly from being put in a coffin or container that was too small but otherwise she was in surprisingly good shape for the twenty plus years. Say What you want to about Dr Laura. He seemed to know his stuff. Eva was briefly late in state with plans to have a monument built again but Isabelle Perrone was deposed and avis body was finally given to her family. She's buried in Recoleta cemetery in Buenos Aires Twenty feet underground in what is essentially a steel bunker to ensure that she can finally rest in peace. And that's where we run out of ideas at least for today though. I'll leave you with one. Apocryphal tale of a body on the move. Hollywood legend John. Barrymore partied and drank himself to death in nineteen forty two. Shortly after his death his actor friends. Errol Flynn Raoul. Walsh were drinking their sorrows away. When Walsh insisted he was too overcome with grief to continue drinking he left the bar gathered. A few helpers and smuggled Barrymore's body out of the funeral home where it was waiting to be embalmed whilst told the funeral director. They wanted to take the body to bury. Morris housebound old Auntie who couldn't get out to pay her respects and they gave him the equivalent of fifteen hundred dollars Walsh and his accomplices. Then took Barrymore's body back to Earl Flint's house where. They propped him up in a chair to startle flynn when he drunkenly stumbled home. At least that's how flint hold it. Thanks for spending part of Your Day with me okay