17 Burst results for "Raymond Moody"
Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"raymond moody" Discussed on Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"Everything that had to do with power. This guy was in charge of. It is so i said to him. I got the year they say to What kind of engineer. You and he said. I'm an electrical engineer. Morale areo again can't make this stop. There are so many stories that i can tell you a validation that we get from past lives from medical scans from talking to deceased love ones that once somebody gets into this work. It's really hard to to You know think that there isn't real because it is because there's just no way you can make all this stuff up so i wanna go into your mother's parting gift before we do that. Can you take then journeys and go to these other world or go to these other places and learn maybe even from other teachers absolutely in a nanosecond favorite. Teach people how to do that. Favorite place to go to have one. Don't really have one. I this reality is just fine with me all right. So let's talk about this reality. Let's talk about your mom and talk about usually when we think of somebody's parting a loved one parting. We don't think of it as a well. This seems like a paradox wrapped within an enigma. What did you see. What did you feel about all schick. Would you agree no. I think that it's it's a glorious components that is part of the equation when somebody is dying because when somebody's dying when we have a loved one who's dying it's heart wrenching. In most instances in so this adds the glorious component to it. that helps equalize it. You know it's all about staying. No trawl it's all about the teeter. Totter staying in the middle in this help says no that there's more to the equation know that our loved one is surrounded by angels and escorted to heaven by angels. It get any better than that. No that our loved ones spirit is around us all the time. We can communicate with them at any time out. Comforting is so your your your mom's in hospice or she's got hospice nurses around her you. Can you walk us through that last day sure. we i live in birmingham alabama. My mother was in hospice facility in columbus ohio so they transferred her there on a friday. We drove all night which was a ten hour drive. Got there about nine o'clock in the morning and She was not communicative at that point and the the staff said well she's hydrated coming in from the hospital. She's probably gonna last couple weeks. All my family was starting together from in town out of town and as the day progressed. I was seeing this configuration of angels and deceased loved ones spirits that were in the room and my deceased grandmother. My maternal grandmother her mother who had died six months prior was running the show. That's what was so interesting to michael. you know. We always think that angels are running michaud or some other spirits running the show or guys running the show will. It's the deceased maternal spirit. That's closest to the person who's dying. Who's running the show. So mom's job is never done. Mom's job is never done and we think okay. Our kids are grown. And they're on their own well. We're helping our kids from the gray from beyond mccray and so my grandmother. We called her. Meemaw miami ma was bringing in angels and other deceased levens as the day progressed. What started out. As a circle of angels around my mother opened into a horseshoe and kept expanding until eventually it was in a straight line across the foot of her bed and more and more spirits of of friends and family and other deceased level..
Enlightened Empaths
"raymond moody" Discussed on Enlightened Empaths
"Okay. And I'm so glad she heard that this particular June talk felt very validating, given my experience with my dad. I now feel it was possible. He was communicating in that week before he passed. So the other Indonesia podcast are great. Love your happy Vibes and all the amazing subjects should cover, you are both a light for me in this crazy world. May you both love light and healing Linda. Wow. Isn't that an amazing story? Oh, it's beautiful. I would recommend if Linda, if you haven't heard of the Raymond Moody book glimpses of Eternity. It's a book about shared near-death experiences. So it's not exactly what you're describing, but I think you'll understand why I'm recommending it. What I've learned from listening to my dad, and I think I'm in this in June, I do believe that people with Alzheimer's dementia, who anyone who is kind of, you know, trapped in their body or trapped in their mind towards the end of their life. I think that's doing their life review while they're here. I think that they are spending a good portion of their time when they're not aware on the other side. And, and I just so. So thank you for taking time to email us this story because it validates what I feel and sense. And I've heard from my dad that Yeah, they really are visiting heaven when they are feeling stuck and trapped in their body and their mind. And so you saw him playing Cricket with his brother George and don't you love the way she described it it to me it's almost like she woke up in a in a screen from heaven was projected on her wall. It's a good way to put it. Yes. I just think that is so amazing. And yes, whenever this song pops into your head out of nowhere, you need to take that and really think. Okay, is this lingo to a commercial? I heard on T on the radio? Before I got out of the car? If the answer is no, if you haven't heard that song all-day, you haven't thought of it in a long, long time. It to me that is off his Spirit, talking to you and sending a message. Music is one of their preferred ways to send us messages and for your dad. And you, since you already had that music connection, I would definitely dead. Pay attention to songs that you hear my dear friend, George who was a music major in college often. Since me signs through music and this is continually validated. Whenever I talk to other mediums they'll say gosh I'm I'm hearing Piano Man by Billy Joel or I'm hearing Crash Into Me by Dave Matthews Band, you know, two songs that he loved to play. So pay attention to that page and then the fact that he gave your mother, the names of two roads, he grew up on a news broadcast and your mom knew she knew that was from him. And and I think that first instinct of how long is that from Dad?.
Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"raymond moody" Discussed on Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"At works. Who i give this to you. That's right and it just gives us michael thinking about ego right. i mean what. I'm determined myself from my own. Psychiatry practice in my own life experience. I know a very simple formula that you will agree with entirely once you hear it is. This is ego. Ego equals pain. It's like whenever your ego and solve this always a painful situation. So what i say is that i'm out of that now. Which sounds that. Self like an egotistical statement right but it would be if i had burned the incense and gone up laid on the bed and nails but the way it happened with me was not that way but it was like damn near killed myself with you know my particular one was. Ego was was Jealousy right well when you're over with that one it's like figured out one. Ego trip is enough. I mean it seems so real inside of it but once you're out of it is and so so You know so. And yes with all of that. I get into this recurrent thing. I just think about this from them. This sometimes i think of something when i want and then the thought occurs zone. No you know. I don't want to empower those on god. Thank about it like if like a polite gesture. Oh god must be busy. And that's just insane. That i would that i raymond moody. Have this feeling that. I might impose on god so bad egomania if anything is i mean. I don't know how to say this in the context of this conversation without it sounding like ego but we didn't go there today but if we are part of the one that's that is everything then god is us and we are got it doesn't mean we are the entirety of god. So who are we not to ask for that thing. Well that's right ego. is i guess. The greek term for it would be the pros. Upon i guess the the character you're portraying and And knew this very wonderful performer. In new york who was an internationally famous and she She contacted me in nineteen seventy six. I didn't know who she was my limit. I'm very limited in knowing. But it. So i met her not knowing of her fame which was wonderful but she was telling me about her near death experience and she said you know raymond. I was very famous on the stage for this one role. And she said she played that for a long period of time and she said there was this one night when the that was her last performance of that role after years and she walked off the stage flash forward few years later she had a near death experience and she said the closest way i can described as the is kinda. It was like that nine out walked off the stage leaving that role by that was kind of what was like. And i've heard that same thought from other actors and actresses who said that same thing. It's like that it's kind of like you're no longer playing this person tomatoes. We are gods toys or pledging and he said the way you do life. Is you play.
Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"raymond moody" Discussed on Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"The whole thing has been a play or a movie or drama or story. Whatever word they used and that's correct and however the characteristics of this story is that it's a mercer. I mean what happens to me. I can go through the mental process and then a kind of physical like an official kind of philosophical reverie. I can hold that thought. And then some personal annoyance at troops right like the the whatever it is is like some annoyance and you are immediately drawn back into the immersion of it which is supposed to how is supposed to be. Plato said that our situation in the world is lightweight horses with blinders. Right and the point of that is is just too overwhelming. You've got have some sort of filtering mechanism. Just get into the story because what your life is story go into your consciousness and see that your consciousness is narrative is a net. Because whenever something new happens to you what do you do. You waive it into your life story. So what this is all about is a story that's unfolding and that at a certain point of life you realized that and and that's why we have theater i think you know made escalates and sophocles and euripides. They were thinkers like you and me right so they just realize yeah. That's what old people say that when you look back as many as well we can flat out a place here on the ground and condensed these and so these are stories and i think we can learn from this and learn from the fact that people have life reviews. We can learn that if we can see that. It's a story if we could see that. There's an arc. I love going back to. There is a animated movie..
Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"raymond moody" Discussed on Inspire Nation Show with Michael Sandler
"Is carl young. Who said i think to his dying day. Get me back their mind. The hell did you bring me back here. Nash right here. So many a lot of people feel sorta. What's wrong with me. You know some people say they just say well you gotta go back in time you got things left to do and they want to go back and it's like they feel kinda rejected like what's wrong with me and very often people who say well it must be something wrong with me but what happens into passage of life thereafter. They become aware of what it is that they have to manage the entire time eventually. Unwinds this and they say i finally came to see what the senate so. It wasn't a question i was planning on going on. But we might as well go there if there is the other side and we have no way to logic it but but we can call it a preponderance of evidence at this point and people get things like a life review. And i'm gonna want to go there in a minute and then people get back here if you look at the preponderance of the evidence. What do we come up with as demeaning of life. Well you know what. I mean i still. I'm a medical doctor. In torrential psychiatrist ultimately but i still in you know in here. My formative things was astronomy and philosophy. Okay and comedy and What this is all about to me. It's very complicated to save it when you look at the history of that question. What is it that constitutes our unique personal identity. Plato said it's the immaterial. Immortal soul difficulties arose with that. John locke said. Oh it's our memories. What raymond moody says and you know and twenty twenty one app to hearing this from. Thousands of people is that allie visa was right when he said god made man because he loves stories. And what is your personal identity except for your story right and as i get and so the me the meaning of the story is you're learning to love and it cer- process it's You mentioned the life review. That's what people learn. Kind of end their life review can can you tell us more about a life review and what that is what people experience. Yeah well very typical unfolding in this people say that when they they hear the doctor say oh my god dead and then i hear often people all of the world save something like is one woman but she said dr many. I have never been so alive. When i heard that doctor say out was dead. Okay so they're out of their body. They can't realize that nobody can see or hear them. They go through a passageway into a light see their deceased relatives and friends around them. And then they say time standstill everything else kinda disappears and you're surrounded by for one of a better term a hologram right and which there's no time but you are seeing everything you have ever done at once and the company very often of being of complete compassion and love..
The Higherside Chats
"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"And the glimpses behind the veil that we do get from people who have and ease sort of a. What's the worst that could happen scenario and for my money a guy like dr moody makes the worst. That could happen. Seem far less severe. Or my name isn't russ carl would funny. That he heard my name as russ. I wasn't going to correct them until it came up. But the man is seventy six years young. It's really no big deal. But as i was saying. I know we did some shows looking at pretty radical opinions on cova and a lot of that material still stands. I wholeheartedly agree that we have much more control over our health than any of the vested interests are saying sherwin press. They might admit to it. But it's never part of the twenty four hour news cycle the messages more. Go on keep eating junk food but just wear that mask and whatever you know but if you're circle is anything like mine then you do know people who have had a sick week with no smell or taste. of course. that's no big deal but friends who have lost grandparents colleagues who have lost family or people we might know who never left in icu. And folks dealing with that kind of loss they don't wanna hear about pcr tests or the dangers of ventilators. Or any of the coulda woulda shoulda stuff. So i've been thinking about the isolation that i've seen because of fear and uncertainty and how long it's gone on a full year. When are you gonna come out of hiding. You know but also the loss that i have seen in my circles lately and when you deal with the loss what's left but to deeply contemplate what the death process even as because it's not end and it is unavoidable so maybe society doesn't wanna talk about it. Maybe the system is best served by everyone being so scared to die. That the live inside forever. If you hear out people like dr moody and you do some exploration of your own you can reach a place where you know consciousness survives. It makes loss a lot. Easier ended encourages fearlessness. Not full-blown recklessness but fearlessness. Which is what. I think we need. Maybe it's just that for me. My thirty six th birthday is next month. Many of my friends are also in their mid thirties. And i'm realizing that covert or not again not trying to say this is a huge cova commentary but if you've been lucky enough to escape any real tragedy or loss up into this point you're probably in the minority and in a certain sense you're probably do. It's in the range of human experience. And there's nothing you can do about it. Except explore the clues breadcrumbs as to what that process really is so i set out to do a near death experience..
The Higherside Chats
"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"Yes i agree with you and when it comes to the near death experience the most recent book of yours i read was the light beyond and you identify nine traits of the experience. You say a sense of being dead peace and painless nece and out of body experience. A tunneling experience meeting with people of light meeting with the more supreme being of light a life review a sense of rising rapidly into the heavens anna reluctance to return. Now these are all things that people definitely associated with andy ease. But what's curious to me is not all of these happen to everybody every time. Why do you think there is that variance. do you think it has to do with the medicines. A person is under when it comes to a hospital based experience could relate to memory. What do you think well. I'm not sure but one thing. I am pretty confident it has to do with is how close the person got today. Like all the thousands of experiences people talk with. There's about fifteen common elements like you're saying that the nfl ability of it the inability to put it into words the feeling of being out of the body and going through a tunnel and seeing one's life and review and meeting deceased relatives and so and not everybody has the whole picture and it seems to be related on a certain level to how close you got to death like people with only a momentary cardiac arrest will be more likely to tell you for example. I got 'em on bonnie. And then i came back quickly or if the cardiac arrest goes on longer people may i went through the tunnel and i began to see my life interview whereas once where people will talk about seeing everything in the common list. Those are in my experience. Almost always the people who have these cardiac arrests that are so long. They don't make any sense. Like i've talked to people who are believed dead for two hours or you know just for things that don't really make any medical sense and yet they happen and it's not in variable because sometimes people even with a very brief cardiac arrest. We'll have a very elaborate experience. But and the general cases it does seem to relate to how close they got to death. Yeah very interesting. And it's funny that some people are afraid to look at these things or intimidated by them. I find them to be fear. Reducing anxiety reducing. And if we just think about our age a little bit. We are in a time where fear and anxiety. I can't remember when they were any higher. And if you start to think about what is life about what does happen when we die. What clues can we get. I think it's great armor against anyone who might wanna make you fearful in this life because it's just a story. Yeah it does. Like i said as long as you can hold onto that framework and yet you know this life being immersive presents itself relentlessly to you and so it's hard to maintain that perspective once you're in the midst of some annoyance or another right. It's like i can sort of realized. Yeah this is just a story. But then some personal annoyance intrudes. And i you know all my emotions are engaged and so on and so you you know it pulls you back into it. Which is the structure of it right like you can figure out an allusion by going through a process but then the allusion and troops. And you know you can't help but focus on it..
The Higherside Chats
"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"And i met her in the seventies and she was telling me about this one role that she was famous for him. And i don't even know. What was 'cause i'm not in that particular area of performance so i just knew her as a wonderful person who contacted me about her your death experience but she was internationally renowned for her part and she was telling me she said raymond she said this night that i walked off the stage after this wall had been playing for many years and she said and then about several years later i had a near death experience and she said the closest why i can describe my near death experience to you if she said. It was like that night that i walked off stage after playing that same role for so many years and have heard the same kinds of things from other actors and actresses who've had near death experiences. They used that very kind of analogy. That this thing we're in it's kind of a role and that's not all of us but that we get so immersed in it because life comes at erie length. Leslie like i was saying. And how reflective do you want to be a main in the sense that i've spent my life kind of been philosophical thinker and that's fun for me you know. I can't distinguish between my work and my fun. You know i mean to me just the most fun thing to do for the average day you know depart from my family. of course. that's the reality there. But i mean in terms of the worklife. There's no difference between work and fun. It's like what i like to do. Sit around and think about these things and also there's the realization that comes with that therefore i don't participate as much in this life and i often wondered whether when i get over there i'll look back and say hey you know spent so much time in my life reflecting on what this world will be like like the afterlife all that you know. I didn't really get engrossed in it. But you know there's a certain argument to be made. I guess that to get engrossed in this and watch it. And what i learned from people with near death. Experiences is that it saw okay. You know at the end you know but death is not the horror that we might imagine it to be but you know sometimes people think of death is like going to sleep right like diminishing consciousness but what. I hear from people near death experiences. It's more like waking up than it is going to sleep. And far from diminishing your consciousness. Your consciousness zips over to higher level bank chilean from which this war in just become candid them.
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"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"From looking me up on the internet right so they were really raised. Not in this world that kind of thought patterns at all and yet both of them very early in life recalled. You know where they were before they came to us. And so you know. I've kind of again sort of just heave the signs that well. Apparently when you're finished up with one story the one year on now then you go through some incomprehensible process and as i gather. You're back on another story line and so life is story but when you're at less than the story or immersed in it it's hard to get out of that framework and even if you do a little bit like i said then something comes up you get hungry or a brick walls on your or so. It's kind set up to come at us so relentlessly that it's hard to maintain this perspective but it's an illusion although as soon as you start thinking about it in the damn you realize is an allusion. Yeah very persistent illusion. But i love this theme of life as story and this relates to something. I was going to ask you about another somewhat rare quality that can accompany a near death. Experience is the phenomenon of the flash forward where a person doesn't just see a life review. They see parts of their future. They see the year they'll get married or the house that they'll settle in very strange and i wonder what happens if you fight those flash forwards. Let's say you recognize this house from your experience and you intentionally say nope. I am not buying that house. I saw flash forward. I'm not doing it. Or what have you tell your beyond say. Hey we have to wait a year. Because i know i'm supposed to get married at twenty eight. I want to get married at twenty nine. Because i'm just that rebellious i'm curious. How fixed are these flash forwards that ever been looked at. How fixed are they again. I thought a lot about that. And i don't know. Is it more like one of the old kind of records. You know the forty fives. Or whatever the needle drops. Then the groove. And then this just gonna play or in the midst of it. Is there some way we can shift. And the answer is i just don't know maybe linear time is an illusion and these things have already happened or happening all at once and that just like the material world the time itself is also an illusion. You can't change it because it's already just occurred. You're only getting a glimpse of the end of the story but the story is the story. Yeah that one operates pretty much. Time is something suspicious about it and you know as an undergraduate philosophy student you learn all about this like how khan said time is not really out. there is just part of the framework of our experience. We're like that makes experience possible. Or aristotle made a great comedy that you know think about time he said it's just so weird he said the past that doesn't exist and the future that doesn't exist either and the so called present while you can't even catch that you know i mean it doesn't stay long enough to observe it and so there's something very peculiar about the notion of time which is exactly what people with near death experiences. Say they say as soon as you're over there there's no such thing time or space as we appreciate it. You're just an entirely different framework of reality in which the coordinate points at least according to have heard this from a lot of people with near death experiences but my friend. Dr eban alexander. Who was a wonderful man. A neurosurgeon formerly at.
The Higherside Chats
"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"And the structure of a shaman song which was the linguistic vehicle they used for transporting their minds over to the other world. It consist of nonsense syllables and meaningless. Retry aims like hickory decorate on is meaningless for train and put together with elements of meaningful language so that the combination of them most together has the power that neither one has along. And i used to show this to my students. With a simple example everybody knows the nursery rhyme hickory vickery dot. The mouse ran up the clock. The clock struck and down ran hickory. Dicker duck well. We all know that everybody knows it but if you take out the nonsense what is it. It's the mouse ran up the clock. The clock struck one and down at ran. That goes no. Wear you see but if you combine it with the nonsense. It has the power which is so great that everybody literally knows that. Or as i've lectured around the world english speaking world. There's a playground. Rhyme that many many people have wonderful associations to one bright day and the middle of the night to dead boys. Got up to fight back to back. They faced each other drew. Their swords and shod each other a blind man came to see the fray. A dumb man came to shout. Hooray a death. Policeman heard the noise and came and killed those two dead boys. Now that is pure nonsense yet. You got to admit that it brings a very vivid story alive in your mind. Yes and it sounds a lot like the kind of thing even some people who experience entity visitations there is this rhyme and this paradox to the way when we make contact with what seems like some kind of intelligence on the other side they do talk like this and it's really kind of curious because i would also say to bring up a somewhat near death experience adjacent phenomenon which is psychedelics and the experience i had the transportation to the spirit world was accompanied by what can only really be described as a nursery rhyme and unknown nursery rhyme. Being sung by kids. I would say but it also overlaps with end e and a lot of other ways like out of body tunnel experience meeting with people of light a sense of rapidly rising into the heavens and key a reluctance to return. And another thing you've mentioned. Is this feeling that it's more real than real life. Being a disembodied consciousness feels like a natural state of being. And i absolutely would concur with that when it comes to my own limited experiences. But what are your thoughts about the mechanisms that trigger these things. I mean it seems to me that they are clues in our reality that yes. We're born here without a memory and we don't know that we're an eternal soul. And maybe we aren't. You know like you say you can't conclude that that the that these things would continue just like what if you obliterated the body would the consciousness still be out there but it feels like if we just trust them. They are clues to tell us that. Hey have some fun with this life. Because there's more over there..
The Higherside Chats
"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"And when i see that stuff my impression is that these things can be known and mapped out if a culture decides to explore consciousness in full. What do you think oh absolutely. I think that we can storm the afterlife for want of a better term and what i mean by that is that even though are logic and the mind. We have don't do it. We're in a position where we can actually transform our mind. I taught this course for many years. Beginning in nineteen sixty nine gradually developed at were. I taught my students to think logically about things that don't make sense. That were even exercises like exercises where they would have to write different types of nonsense and then reflect on how it made them feel and then to shift to writing another type of nonsense and they can actually feel the wheels and their mind turning in a new direction. And i've just had you know. I guess dozens and dozens of students. I've had over the years. He's looked back on that as a sort of mental transformation point to them and so right. Now i'm conducting kind of collective study. It's encouraging people to go through these exercises and learning how to think logically about unintelligible things with the expectation that eventually some of these people are going to have near death experiences. And it's already happened by the way that it's happened once and when they come back they'll have a whole new way of telling the rest of us about it so it's a kind of bridge across the world's few years back. I had this wonderful man. He's a elderly gentleman who's a renowned artists and scientists and he had taken one of my seminars on nonsense then a few years later he had a near death experience and he said while i was over there my mind went back to the nonsense seminar and he said and i saw that. What you were saying is true. He said you can't comprehend how this world is connected to that world unless you take the unintelligibility access into account was the way he put it but to put that into simple terms. You know greg out officer brush. Oh it's gross It greg dr seuss's books have sold over. Hope you're sitting down over six hundred million copy right and you're too young to remember doo-wop music shannon on where the idea was to have nonsense as the main line or the harmony and then meaningful parts and it was a major form of music back in the fifties or scat singing with ella fitzgerald and louis armstrong or just is just nonsense syllables. But it really puts you into an amazing state like the glossy lelio or speaking in unknown tongues of certain religious groups. It's just repeating nonsense syllables until you go into this really a nominal ecstatic state while there's also chanting and there's also like the gross of the shaman. There is some relationship between getting into that mind state and possibly expanding our consciousness to bleed over into.
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"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"Oh yeah this is absolutely correct. Brush and you know if everybody listening right now. We'll go back in your mind tonight. Teen fifteen okay. And just imagine that you're a person in nineteen fifteen a very well educated and well informed person of nineteen fifteen. Now listen to the following sentence. All four of ethel's grandparents perished and were lost in a shipwreck long before her mother and father were born now and nineteen fifteen. That makes no sense right. It's just nonsense now at all of our intervening knowledge like the role in heredity of dna. The possibility of cloning and gene engineering and we can imagine a scenario sending a probe down and getting the dna from the bones and then by cloning and so on so you see what would be totally unintelligible in nineteen. Fisting is and two thousand and twenty one. even though it hasn't yet happened that at least we can imagine that it could right right or to say like i watched a movie on my phone in one thousand nine hundred. Yeah exactly like watched a movie on my phone this morning and like you were saying was telling people changes and i am confidently predicting that in the next decade or so even though technically the idea of an afterlife is unintelligible because it self-contradictory right to say that there is life after death means that there is life after the final irreversible sensation of life which is self contradictory. But what i'm saying. Is that in the next decade or so. This is gonna be just like the telephone right that what was in nineteen fifteen. It's absurd to say you watched a movie on your phone this morning but in two thousand and twenty one is a daily occurrence. Yes and let me ask you this because this is something that i think is really interesting that yeah we will move into an era where what we are willing to accept culturally will change but this is really kind of western centric right because when you look at the egyptians or the greeks or many indigenous cultures they have very robust and detailed models of the afterlife and the processes that happen and the various layers of the soul and awareness..
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"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"Men language it turns out to be nonsense right in the context of the drain. It seems like it makes sense but once you wake up and he tried to put it into words. It's nonsensical some dreams can be literal and prosaic. You know you can put them in worse but many of them are just you know when you try to formulate men words you know it just sounds like nonsense which is really whenever anybody i think goes from one dimension to another and their minds. They're forced to nonsense to talk about a transition into some other kind of reality like the asher drawings the people on the mill will for example. You see the water going down the mill going over the wheel and then it goes down and then turned angle and then goes down again and then goes down again and then turns another thing goes down again. And it's right back up at the top of the mill wheel right and you can take those drawings. And you could with a ruler. And a protracted or you could describe that whole two-dimensional surface but when you try to describe what's in picture you get into talking nonsense so i think that we've got to prepare ourselves fang that in order to comprehend the afterlife in any sort of rational way that we've got to take charge and really change our own minds and that means but we've got to be able to think about things that don't make sense and logical way and there's a very specific reason why we can't by the way i'm a great lover and admira of aristotle but one of his deficits or difficulties was that he was so literal minded whereas his master. Plato have been trying to figure out. Not just how intelligible and meaningful and literal and figurative language works but he was also trying to figure out how nonsensical language works and he had gone quite away way with he figured out that there's different kinds of nonsense or different types. Like if i say to you. Twas brill again the slide tubs. That's nonsense but now listen to this. Holiness breeds the vestige. You'll lipstick with spontaneity. That's nonsense to the different types of nonsense right. Or listen to this thirds. Sentence that campbell. You men just eight was the last one in this county. That's nonsense to but yet a different time. Or if i say hat thoroughly the f. zone how that he had a different type of nonsense or if i say by with the novel yo yo you know that's i've over seventy different patterns and types of nonsense and each one of those types has its own specific effects on the mind so what aristotle did when he codified the logic that you use it right now and that exist in our society. That was too much for him. You know to hire hurdle that you could make sense of things that don't make sense. And so therefore since he had such an enormous effect on our thinking then we are here and twenty twenty one. We're unable to think logically if we come up against something. That's nonsensical now. What i'm saying whether great mana confidence and i'm willing to be refuted on this. I want people to look at what i say and try to find a hole in it..
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"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"And so if you see yourself in that panorama doing something mean to somebody. Then end the review you are actually you're embedded in their consciousness where you feel directly and empathic -ly heard and so on or if you see yourself doing a kindhearted thing somebody you feel good feelings and so the most shocking thing about these pathak death experiences is that even bat alamo. now that sometimes occurs to the bystanders. Like i've talked to a lot of people who say that. Yeah as uncle charlie. Or whoever died bit i sort of saw his whole life in this panorama and i gotta say that's very embarrassing to me because you know i'm hoping to recuse myself from my own life review and you know you'd think about the idea there might be back there. There is kind of embarrassing right and yet the people. I've heard this from say in effect that it's no. It's in the midst of the experiences very natural and that as i like to think of it as a psychiatrist everybody has pretty much things secrets. So in that context becomes more understandable but as to fly this occurs. Which is your very good question. I don't know. I know that it does cause i hear it from people all the time. And even that though. Ross really doesn't give us logical proof of an afterlife however i do think that it is now possible to have something that if not a rational proof of an afterlife is at least a major breakthrough in the rational investigation of life after that and what that comes from i think is then. We've got to meet the problem. Half way i mean david him. I'm sure you know him. He's the great skeptic of the eighteenth century talked about khazal t and inductive logic and so on and in his essay on immortality. He said bond mirror light of reason it seems. Difficult to prove the immortality of the soul which is kind of an understatement of is if you think about it but then he went on to say some new species of logic is required for that purpose and some new faculties of the mind that they may enable us to comprehend that logic and what he was. Getting at. Which i think is correct. Is that the mind we hands. And the logic we have and twenty twenty one or just not up to the problem of life after death that something. That's beyond us well said actually. This is something. I was going to ask you about it. Because you have this other book called making sense of nonsense and it also makes me think about dream language and dreaming because modern science says dreaming is just a screen saver for the mind but many cultures put a lot of importance on the dream world and consider it in the same or similar context as the spirit world and it's always this archetypal paradoxical type of symbolism and it has meaning and it is often illogical at times. I'm curious if you think that the dream world and dream interpretation might relate to the content of this new nonsense based logic..
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"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"A very dysphoric situation. I mean look at them. They're never happy. It's like if you put out there what you want to be the case. And then you build up some kind of flimsy argument for it always. You're gonna be uncomfortable. Because self-deception by definition we know on some level one where fooling ourselves right and so to me. The way out of this is to really learn the principles reasoning and critical thinking and then just subject things to the most rigorous logical process. You can and then once you go through that and you come out with some ideas on the other side. At least you have some sort of kant right if it gets may be true and to me. The reasoning process in itself is just fun so i went through years. I had no idea whether there's life after death or not even beginning in medical school. I realized that the common explanation. Oh this is oxygen deprivation to the brain. I knew that wasn't the case because my first year medical school one of my wonderful professors took me aside one day because by then i was kinda known true investigating this already and she said you know doctor. Maybe she said. I've been wanting to talk to you because of some men tation as she used that word when i was resuscitate eating my mother and so basically. She told me that when she would trying unsuccessfully to resuscitate her own mother that as her mother died she herself that physician got out of her body and look down saga dead body of her mother and her own body standing beside then. He's trying to get my bearings. She said she looked around. She saw the her mother there with her now. Now in spirit form. She said she saw this tunnel and the light coming from it and she saw her mother recede into this tunnel being greeted by her relatives and friends who had passed away and then she came back to your body. Well subsequently i've heard you know many dozen hundreds probably of those kind of experiences which is the same thing we know of is a near death experience in terms of its contents but it occurs not somebody who almost dies and recovers but to somebody else who is not ill or injured who's standing bear by the person who's passing away and so whatever this is it's not oxygen deprivation to the brain now. There's a certain kind of person he's just afraid of. You know. I've known people who i knew in graduate. School are still rehashing their own doctoral dissertations from that period. And you know there's a certain kind of person who wants knowledge to stop when they get their doctoral degrees right and i'm not exactly criticizing him. I mean it's a sad thing.
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"raymond moody" Discussed on The Higherside Chats
"Thirties president. Franklin roosevelt series of radio broadcasts known as the fireside chef. His was to reassure the common man in our society would recover from an struggle barr from nineteen thirty and it was a different kind of buyer worldly prostration offer a fresh conversation and they are the higher side strap in for another wild ride. Ir side shatters from sunny san diego. I'm greg carl would and so much of our time in this world is sadly spent working jobs. We care very little about so. We can maintain a home to watch stale sitcoms in the evenings and we get stuck making safe stable and unfulfilling choices out of fear of falling through societies cracks. What's really at the heart of our mundane decision. Making and commitment to timewasting entertainment. Why do we settle for being a cog in someone else's machine so easily. Will i would venture to guess that many of us don't spend enough time thinking about life consciousness and meaning but instead of fallen into the mental traps the mainstream narrative that our existence is the result of a random process of evolution in a cold random. Chaotic universe. that's less about finding happiness and fulfillment and more about making sure. We get the most breaths before snuffed out of existence forever. We've been conditioned to waste our time here. Inspected to settle for less trained to think we have no control and tricked into the idea that we might as well just become the best car salesman in central ohio cling to our job stacking boxes amazon warehouse or go on pretending to be satisfied with our position at the call center. Because what else is there. I would say that curiosity is like the near death. Experience deeper levels of meditation psychedelics and even entity encounters are all baked in aspects of reality that although rare remind at least some of us that life is a gift that we gave ourselves to be enjoyed to seek adventure and to know that we can play it any way we decide without fear of anything and why not when death comes for a solid eventually. Well today's guest. Dr raymond moody might agree with at least some of that. Because he's made a life as the leading authority on near death experience and even coined the term. He's an md with a phd in philosophy as well as a world renowned scholar lecturer and author of bestsellers like life after life. The light beyond coming back and making sense of nonsense. The logical bridge between science and spirituality as well as his own autobiography paranormal. My life in pursuit of the afterlife. I feel very fortunate to talk to him today. And a time where. The themes of risk health quality of life and dying are very potent and deserve to be examined appropriately with the clues we have. So let's get into it. The nda teacher life engagement advocate and true. Madge i of the mysteries of life. Dr moodie my man..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"raymond moody" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Stargate and they've released that now and you're you're not in your head you're familiar enough with that a little bit You talked about that in my new. My new alien book because i because there's a mental component to all. This right is what. I would argue but yeah go ahead. Sorry exactly that bonnie the guy. He's down. Did you ever run across. A ufo. Researcher grant cameron yes Boy it escapes me where that came from it. Yeah for sure. I know that name well. People will have to hear this for the five thousand time on skeptical but what grant is kind of one of the things he's well known for is the uncovering the he didn't actually the one to do it. But kinda popularizing this release of this accidentally declassified document the out to be really key. It's the wilbert smith memo in canada where he goes down to the united states and he goes he brings all his ufo stuff secretly down to the united states. It says here. I'll tell you what i know. You tell me your no. He comes back. He writes a memo to his boss. Says wow this stuff is top top priority. Hire more high secret than hydrogen bomb here all the names. The people i met with a fan of our bush I forget all the other names but the people who are well placed in the right position to kind of know about this stuff but then which you just looted to in the last sentence of this memo and they believe that there is a mental component to this that is key to the whole thing so this grant Suggestion i agree with them. Is part of the agenda for the n. k. Ultra the reboot of the nazi program. Which you just is get feeling freak out ribbon with well. That's just what it is. They didn't need my mk at how is And the head of that of course. Is this jewish psychologist. Interestingly enough that the. Us is Mandalay sidney gottlieb right so he is the head of that and he actually runs the stargate program. A lot of people don't know that but the you know the stargate guys doing the remote viewing how put off russell targ. They often talk about when sydney comes to town and they have to placate in and all the rest. But the point of that whole thing. Back to the stephen brownie back to the skeptical world is i'm gone Yeah but stephen. I mean they knew was stargate that it's not consciousness. Illusion biological robots and meaningless universe. Bay fucking assume that from the beginning you talk about. This extended round spirituality will. They assumed that they had books. Raymond moody's book a near death experience. They were talking to people who claim to be witches claim to be magicians..