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Bill Cunningham 6/15/20
"The following program were prerecorded. Cunningham the great American welcome floor is Monday afternoon of the tri-state coming up later. A use of force expert who says the problem is not police. The problem is police unions. Jimmy Sandy says. Wow, we'll see what happens with that, but until then Rob Sanders Kent County prosecutors, so many cases, and of course we're dealing with now. The shooting in Atlanta over Brooks and whether or not that is a criminal act and earlier this morning. I watched on CBS Morning News interview by with Paul Howard. Who's the Fulton County Da? He's like the job shall the Rob Sanders of Fulton County twenty-three years is a Da a Liberal Democrat African American. American and he laid out the case for felony murder against the police officer involved in this officer Garrett Ralph Anymore said he's going to be indicted on Wednesday and what like arguable, it's going to happen because essentially, he said that you know that tasers are not deadly weapons. A man with Great Perspectives Rob Sanders and Rob Sanders welcome again to the Bill Cunningham show and rob. How are you I'm doing fantastic willing. Thanks for having me back on Monday afternoon. Is Different. What happened with Brianna, Taylor is different than what happened with Trayvon Martin, which is different. What happened to George Floridians different? What happened to Reshad? Every case is different. From what you've seen in this case, you're not the prosecutor on the case unlike the Fulton County prosecutor who Paul how all, but said this morning he's going to be indited for felony murder. I don't think that's proper before. The investigation is complete and. kind of lay out the case, the central point is is a taser stolen from a police officer and deployed against him. Is that necessarily yes, or no a deadly weapon? Well you know willing Let me say that if I was the defense attorney for the Atlanta police officer. That's been charged. We'll be charged in this case. I think the first person I would call as an expert witness. Is Fulton County. District Attorney Paul Howard himself because just a few days before this incident, there was another incident where to Atlanta police officers were charged, and fired the very next day for. College, students pulling them out of the car because district attorney. Paul Howard said that it was a vicious act, and it was use of deadly force on the to college. Students I think he answered his own question right? There are answered your question right there I should say. If this wasn't deadly force, if Tasers, not a deadly weapon. Then why are the officers charged just a few days earlier with using deadly force on these two college students have potatoes, not harmless if it can't do you injury if that's not a threat of serious injury or death, then then why the charges against the two officers the day after the taste, the college students. That's a great point because as you know. Know have you been taste by the way? No, I have not Willie I have seen many people. Be Taste I've seen. Police officers tastes themselves as part of their training I have seen bad guys. GET POLICE OFFICERS BEFORE I've watched probably hundreds of things on bodycam video. I don't need to be taste to be convinced that it hurts and. People, no I have not been taste. I saw a very amusing video of Covington Police Chief Rabbinate or taste and I I trust from watching that video and hearing him scream that no doubt that taste is in fact, a very painful, and that it is very incapacitating I want no part of it, and the other issue is when Cincinnati had tasers I was invited with Lincoln Beware Radio Talk Show Host Cincinnati. WHO's? WHO's an African American to join him? In City, council and Chief of Police Tom striker was gonNA taste. Both of us and I'm thinking to myself I'm not being taste, because I'm not going to ever be in a position where I think I'm going to be taste, and so it can be in fact. You told me off the air in this. Refresh my memory that the Taser companies have been sued repeatedly because the. Kill somebody correct. Yes, or infected law enforcement used to have officers. Being taste is part of their training, so that it officer would know what it felt like when you've got taste and what it meant when you taste somebody else, but yet they found out that being taste is dangerous enough that it wasn't worth the risk at least not to make it mandatory so now it's more of a volunteer practice which I still. Still don't understand I. Don't need to be shot with with the sidearm that the officers carried. It. Be Convinced that that works or to know how that feels. Would I wanNA be taste anymore? That's something that I've debated with officers for probably two decades now, but no. I want no part of being taste willing, not not anymore than I'm sure you don't want any part of it either. No off the air you watch! Watch, significant parts of the procedure by which officer Garrett Ralph and his backup officer. Devon Brosnan got involved with Rashard. Brooks for the DUI call was made from Wendy's somebody's asleep in the car. Those two officers roll up. They haven't pulled the car about fifty feet off to the side into a parking space. He gets out. They frisk him to make sure it didn't have a weapon. They go through a forty minute procedure in. In which they have, the finger knows they look in his eyes. They give them the hand and talks, allies or any blows like a point one zero four, which is above the legal limit in Georgia and they say okay. They don't say you're under arrest. They say. Put Your hands behind your back. At that point, all hell broke loose for those who didn't see. The tape explained from prosecutors perspective. What happened after that? It was pretty much. It was on at that point they go to put handcuffs on the individual and he doesn't want handcuffs. Put on them, and it becomes obvious he turns, and begins fighting with the officers takes officers to the ground or Go to the grand. They're fighting on the ground The video doesn't show a whole lot. Because at that point, you know. The officers bodies pressed up against the person WHO's trying to arrest so you're hearing everything, but you're not seeing anything except clothing, really close up and and movement pretty tough to discern anything, but you can hear the officers say repeatedly. Let go as you're like with the Taser Then there's other video that's not bodycam video. It's I'm not sure it's bystander video security cam video that I've seen. Seen shows this individual. Get up and start running away and he's got an object in his hand quite frankly in the video looks like a gun, but we know now that it was a taser that he took off one of the officers, and you can see him in the video while he's broken away from the two officers, and he starts running from, but then he turns back, and he points to Taser directly at one of the officers and fires the Tasers, and that's all caught on video We've got the mayor. And police chief for acting police chief I suppose, and since the first police chief already quit and the district attorney, all saying that that's not deadly force that the officers were not justified in firing. I think it's only one officer actually fired his weapon but did that's in direct contradiction to what they said just a few days earlier when they originally fired two officers, and then ended up charging criminally six officers with the incident involving getting the to college students out of the car I think contradictory statements from the mayor and the District Attorney in two different police chiefs. So it's GonNa be it will be interesting to see tried I think one thing going against the officers going to be jurisdiction. I don't know that they'll get a fair trial in Fulton County, but at the same time I would much rather be the defense attorney on that case. The prosecutor because I don't think. That they're going to get any kind of conviction out of this case well, if you're in Kent County or Warren County or how many county or Lawrenceburg, probably you would not at least give a hung jury, but talk about the problems as a prosecutor. Or maybe defense counsel if you're in Fulton, county, I can't imagine twelve jurors and Fulton County finding these these cops, not guilty I can't imagine that because a pup public fervor, and it's going to be about a year year and a half before it actually transpired, but at that point. How much does the prosecutor play into the plea decisions as to what the jury is going to do based on public sentiment. First of all all of these high profile cases, but the prosecutors in a very difficult position. Where if they plead case out anything? They're gonNA. Be Bashed by the people that are calling for the charges in the first place so as prosecutor. It's a I'm sure. My good friend Joe Dealers. Tell you that when you're in a high profile case with a lot of public pressure. Sometimes it's just better to go ahead and go to trial, and you'll be respected more going to trial and losing then you will be for cutting a deal that the public doesn't think is is enough punishment and it could be. You could get ninety nine percent of the Pun- punishment out of the defendant, but the public will say well. Why didn't you get one hundred percent you? You know your duties. Duties, and that's not the case at all, but the long story short is most of these cases end up in trials, and I think that that's we're gonNA. See now you also gotta remember. Though there's a lot of people making a lot of noise, there's lots of people protesting rightfully, so don't have a problem with the protesters. Certainly do have a problem with the rioters but the good news is writers aren't normally who you get on juries the people on juries are generally speaking good law abiding tax paying. Citizens they're the people that are doing their civic duty showing up for court and I think that's why we trust and rely on the jury system. As much as we do. In this country is because when you get twelve citizens on a jury, they generally make the right decision i. Let's do this. Let's walk through I made a reference. Last night in a tweet that I sent out through the numerous crimes committed by Retard Brooks. Prior to the time he was shot, and some of the offenses include Dui assault onto Atlanta cops theft of the cops as her, which might be a felony drug, actually a robbery at that point anytime you use physical force to accomplish it theft. That's a robbery. Felony wrongful discharge of the tasers toward pursuing cop. That's likely a felony obstructing official business, resisting arrest just to get started, and so having committed those offenses, and at that point, those offenses have been committed when he was shot in the back twice, which is according to corner last night about nine pm. It came out that he was shot in the back. What what relevance does it have? You shot in the back as opposed to shot in front? Not Actually because when you're fleeing police, and I don't think it's actual officer. That was shooting are that he shot the Taser at that fired his weapon I believe it was the other officer. I could be wrong, but that's According to the news reports, I've read nevertheless number one. When you're fleeing police and you're turning around fire, you're still exposing at least a good portion of your back to the police and number two. It only takes a split second for someone to turn their back, and so if somebody. Twists or turns turns back to run just as the officers firing. You know you can't retrieve the bulletin stuff back in the gun. Turned around. The Split Second where the bullet enters really has no impact and for that matter. What crimes someone committed you know we lose sight of this. How many times do you hear? I'll nobody should be. should be killed for sleeping in a parked car. Nobody should be killed for passing a twenty dollar bill or anything like that. It's not the underlying offense that gets anybody killed. It's how they interact with police and how the police interact with them. What really needs to be examined in all? This is not why the police were called in the first place, but what was happening? At the time the person was shot, or at the time, the use of force occurred and was the police officer, justifiably in fear for their life or physical safety or the life or physical safety of another. At the time they pulled the trigger good, and so as far as the bullets entered the body, assuming the Taser was fired, which it appears, it was because as Rashard turned around. You could see the light on the Taser and the COP. Cop had the tasers pursuing them Garrett Wolfe and he drops the tae-zhee. Impose out the weapon that was a split-second decision and the officers mind. You have to put yourself in the mind of a reasonable offers, or what would a reasonable officer do in that circumstance? And I said last night on the radio that on my syndicated show that you never go back and judge split-second decisions, but you put yourself in the in the place of that officer. Won't even be able to get numerous law enforcement experts experts to say you know what he had the right to far the Taser and I'm sure the prosecutor's office. Going to bring an expert say doesn't have the right, but then you got the indictment of a few days earlier in which the phone county prosecutor said that a as there is a deadly weapon. Weapon now explain how a Taser and law enforcement is very close to to a sidearm house on almost the same well number one, it can cause serious pain and discomfort. At the time it's fire to can cause physical injury. It can cause medical injury, and but most importantly incapacitates the person being taste. That's why police officers use them in the first place so. So that they can shut a person down long enough to get handcuffs on him. Well when you're talking about a police officer being taste having 'em, tasers turned on him. That means that police officer, assuming the teasing successful would be incapacitated that person in this case is already fought with police. He's already stolen a Taser from the police, and certainly if that officer. Officer was incapacitated by zone tasers. There's nothing that would be able to stop that suspect from grabbing the officer's gun and executing the either one of the officers are both of them. Likewise, we also have to ask ourselves. What would happen if the police just didn't do anything what happens? If they let this guy, go and say okay. Just walk on. Wouldn't from anywhere around there. He said he had a place to go. Okay, go ahead and walk home. And then as soon as the police leaves, he walks back over hops in his car drives away drunk and kill somebody. We blame the police likewise. Okay say he's not going to do that, but he fights the police. He takes their tasers runs away. Let's say they don't give chase and he runs down the. The street and Carjack, somebody and Tasers, an innocent citizen so that he can get a hold of their car and get away from the police. We blame the police for not chasing the bad guy I think policing that situation, or it's a no win situation. It's lose. Lose no matter what choice they make, and if given the chance now to retrieve that bullet, you know when I took my concealed carry classes. Instructor told me that every every round. That I fire has my name on it and I'm responsible for that bullet wherever it goes, and my name is on that, so be careful when you do that. If Garrett Ralph had to do it again, knowing everything now the new then he'd likely shot him because he knew what happened in. He's dead I'm fired. I'm going to be indicted by by the Fulton County Prosecutor Paul Howard I'm. I'm big trouble. I'M GONNA face decades in prison now, but that's not the standard. The standard is is the Taser a deadly weapon and the answer is yes, and he was under a legal duty to stop that person who had committed numerous felonies committed an additional felony by using his own tasers atom, and so as a consequence, wasn't a COP under a duty to put him under arrest by the point he had shot him. Yes there, we you know that's what I was saying. When we lose, lose situation for the officer you once you make the determination that somebody is a danger to the public and I need to be. They need to be in custody. At least we sobers up sleeps it off you're under a duty to protect the public and if you don't protect the public. Public, and that bad guy hurt somebody or kill somebody then now it comes back on the officer just same, however like you said I'm sure given what he's facing now that this officer if he had do over hindsight being twenty twenty, he probably would have taken his chances, but that's not right that that mindset will. We're scaring our police officers in being you. You know second guessing themselves being afraid to pull the trigger when their own life is in jeopardy. It's GonNa get cops killed. It's already happened all across the country. You can google or youtube search, and you can find plenty of videos of law enforcement officers. Just getting the absolute stuff beat out of them because they're afraid to pull the trigger because they're being hesitant. Hesitant, they don't want to be the next face on the National News, the police officer of being fired or being indicted and being charged with murder, because they pulled their weapon and tried to defend themselves, and instead these officers getting beaten within an inch of their life, and in some cases kill not last have about a minute remaining the cried analysis stomach racism. Racism everything is systematic. Do you see Rob Sanders the Kent County Commonwealth Attorney? Do you see systemic racism in Covington PD I do not absolutely not I. don't see it in Covington PD I don't see it in any police department. Can County for that matter I don't see any police department in Greater Cincinnati. Cincinnati Police Department, not any other ones there are disadvantages to. To being minorities, we're still doing work to right wrongs. That happened hundreds of years ago. However, that does not mean that every disadvantage is racism. That certainly doesn't mean that every cop is racist I think the vast majority of police officers we've done hundreds of thousands of police officers in this country in the vast ninety nine point, nine nine nine percents percent. percent of those police officers are great people. They're law abiding citizens. They're working to do the job the best they can now sure. Are there bad apples out there? Yes, if they break the law here. In Kenton County Covington Fort Mitchell edgewood independence anyplace else. They break the law, but we prosecute police. Absolutely police officers don't break the law either, but they do get. Get to defend themselves just like any other citizen. Willie stand your ground laws self-defense laws those protect the police the same way they protect you me and every other citizen out there and I think that's what the public has to remember the exact same pattern with the exact same video evidence exists in Kenton County. Would you 'cause the indictment of officer Garrett Rough? Now because I don't at least from what I've seen Willie now. Access to what's in the media I don't know anything about what is in this case file, but from what I've seen there better be something more because otherwise. You're going to get. Experts lined up from sea to shining sea to say that that Taser is a deadly weapon or dangerous instrument, and that officer was justified in believing that he could suffer serious physical injury or death if he were incapacitated by the taste of at that the suspect part. Sanders thank you very much. Thank you for coming on the Bill Cunningham show and Godspeed. Thank you, thank you really appreciate it. Good Day Rob Sanders tight. Let's continue with more your reaction. Now. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand Bill Cunningham newsradio seven hundred wwl. Cunningham, the great American I wanNA welcome Chris Wingate. wingate mechanical dot. com is a new sponsor of the Bill Cunningham show a tempstar dealer HVAC plumbing electrical. Don't get. Don't get no better than wingate mechanical dot, com, and Chris Wingate and thank you for advertising here now it's you and I talk. The Foundation of what is happening is allegations of systemic racism throughout especially police departments all over America, especially in urban areas, and also the fact that is getting more and more dangerous out there. I'm looking at a poll. Done by that indicates that seventy nine percent of truckers say eighty percent of truckers refused to deliver to areas, they funded or disbanding the police of danger. We all can recall what happened and Reginald Denny in Los Angeles during the nineteen ninety-two riots involving. The verdict one sideways on this four police officers in Seamy Valley. But if you're a trucker and I watched, what happened the last couple of nights on I seventy five in Atlanta or I seventy five here. One of the one of the ploys used often is to have the rider slash protesters walk on I seventy five. And if you're a trucker according to this poll, a trucker shop is very dangerous. In fact, according to the US, bureau labor statistics truckers are more in harm's way than any other profession about that shouldn't be surprising. Then they're rather not increase. Their chances of dying are getting hurt any further as such a recent poll, a company dedicated to news and entertainment and Tamer Entertainment, surrounding truckers, the vast majority trucker, seventy nine percent are not willing to venture into areas or zones where police, every other be been defended or disbanding must like many pizza. Drivers have ZIP code. They won't go into not because of race, but because they don't get paid and they get beat up and robbed. It's just the way things are nothing to do with race everything to do with behavior. And so. On June fifteenth of Twenty Twenty. which by the way the thirteen fourteen today's the fifteenth we have had over thirteen hundred respondents in seventy nine percent of truckers say they will refuse to low to cities, disbanded defunding police and right now many truckers are reluctant about traveling in Seattle because of the anarchy happening there in Minneapolis with riots going on, and who does out hurt the average folks living in those areas not involved in writing, but may be involved in some passive form protesting like marching around with signs. That's fine, but if you work for a living you want to. To Go home intact to your wife to your husband, your kids and live your life, and I'm certain as I just said your friend and Mine Rob Sanders that if the two cops involved in last night's activities had the choice of deciding whether not to do what they did, the answer would have been not know. The answer would have been hell. No, but what happens in all these cases is very simple. You have to put yourself in the position of the police officers at that moment and decide what if anything needs to be done? From my first impression given the fact that I've more or less oriented toward criminal defense work. If I had to take one side of the case or the other I would have taken the side of the cop and what happened Friday night in Atlanta. The COP is trained to respond to deadly force. Up The stuff that had happened that particular night by the time he actually fired his weapon, there were numerous opportunities for the defendant in this case. Who's now deceased to find himself into a position where you should not have done what he had done. If he had acted more responsibly, he would certainly be alive today. Without any question, he still be with us. He would not be dead and we're Chard Brooks now. It'd be home with his four children his wife. The message ought to be if you'RE GONNA. Be Arrested. If you're about to be arrested. Submit to the arrest and take them out of the court. In the minds of those two cops officer Garrett Ralph an officer Devon Brosnan ever called to the scene by Wendy's employee of someone asleep and the drive Thru Lawn we've had individuals and the state legislature in Butler County Asleep in a line. This time is up McDonald's and this date rap singer to the arrest. So when they asked to Rashard Brooks to drive his vehicle off to the side and park, he got out. There was about forty minutes that you probably have not seen, but in those forty minutes they engage in conversation with Rashad Brooks. And during that time it looked to me as if he was slightly inebriated drunk minimally, he blew a point one four which. You know is not large a little bit over the limit, but obviously he's under the influence of alcohol. At that point Chard Brooks was said. Get your hands behind your back. The cops never said you're under arrest, but that's not legally significant. If there's words, your deeds express to communicate generally acceptable terms that you're under arrest. That is certainly sufficient so Matt Steinman of some. COP STANDS UP and says get your arms. Mind your back. Do you think you're about to be arrested? and. He said no well I. Don't know I. Think most people would say yes. You're about to be arrested and at that. Point Rashad Brooks began a fistfight with his two officers on pavement in a Wendy's parking lot. The two cops are in uniform. And at that point, having been in this business for a while when you fight with a cop and he's in uniform, you have is easy access to his weapons as he has to his own weapons. In this case, Brooks pulled off the belt of one of the cops I think likely the other cop Devon Brosnan his Taser and attempt to use it on the police officers as they're fighting on the pavement of Wendy's that is a felony. Say Robbery, punching cops are felonies. He committed felonies including the DUI resisting arrest. Bring your theft of. Assaulting a police officer in uniform fleeing from the scene of fleeing felon whatever you WANNA use. Now looking at the tape at the very end. And you're on the jury. You got decide this. Did the officer at that time believe reasonably that the deadly use of force was appropriate to save his life or risk of serious physical injury to himself to his partner. And, that's where the jury question comes in. That's where it's. It's going to be a tough call. I do not believe that's the circumstance. Of course in Minneapolis or officer show could not have believed his life was at risk with with Mr Floyd. He could not a believed that by putting the on the guy's neck that he was like preserving his own life or preserving his fellow officers. Lives are also holding down a George Floyd I. Don't know how the World Chalvin gets out of that one except temporary insanity or something of that character, and he didn't look insane to me. Officer Charleston is going down in Minneapolis. And I think if the case is heard if this case is heard in Fulton County Atlanta the probability of a jury finding him guilty, and that climate under the leadership of the DA there Paul. Howard is damn good. So likely the case will be transferred to some other jurisdiction, because it's going to be impossible to find a jury that and Fulton County that can objectively and fairly try this case probably transferred to some other county in Georgia, but much like any case. There'll be as much publicity in Marietta Georgia as there will be in Atlanta Georgia on this case so I i. don't know I don't know what's going to happen in the officer I. Don't know what officer Devin Brosnan and the second cop did wrong that resulted in criminal charges, which may be announced on Wednesday or Thursday. Every case is different. Brana Taylor's case in Louisville is different than a armories case in in Waycross, Georgia, which is different than George Floyd's case in Minneapolis, and that's different than retard, Brooks's case in Atlanta, and that's definite. Trayvon Martin's case and that's different than Michael Brown case in Ferguson. Every case is different goes. The facts are different, and everyone is an amorphous. Put together of what the law is in the facts in that particular jurisdiction, but I think I can firmly say based upon objective evidence that there is not systemic racism in police departments, because if there was in the top fifty urban areas, all those police departments are controlled by liberal. Progressive Democrats generally African American or female. Much like in Cincinnati we've had a run of at least three police chiefs in a row that are African American as well as the last three city managers and I do not believe that Patrick Haney and chief of Police Isaac is involved operating racist organizations. Do you believe they are? Of, course not. They would not there bright intelligent men who run the best they can a division, which is free of racial Animus as they can, and the message is quite clear and every place division in America. Guess what don't do that. Would you be a cop today? Would, you want to put yourself at risk if you're a younger American twenty five to thirty five years old. Would you want to strap it on for the next twenty five years and many times chase the Jack rabbits all over the place. You want to be involved in being second guessed constantly by your superiors by juries, and if they get rid of immunity for many officers who make split second life and death decisions. There's no reason own any property because there's going to be taken. Very difficult difficult difficult. Every case is different, but the facts are lined up relative to anti police lives of systemic racism. If the charge against policing in America is the stomach racism when you look at the system every year for the last ten years. Spent about one thousand Americans shot or killed by police one thousand per year. Of that number, it's fairly consistent that about twenty five percent or African American seventy five percent of the one thousand are not African American. Generally it's about fifty percent. White is about twenty five percent, black and twenty five percent, Hispanic and others. Those are the facts. And that's the way it is. It's been that way for a long time. In fact, police shootings and causes the death are going down not up and so if there was to racism since police come in contact in urban areas much more frequently with African Americans as identified by their victims than white. Americans just the opposite would be true. There'd be many more blacks killed by police than whites, the great majority of justified, but that is not the case. I want to get your perspective. and. The numbers don't change over the last over the last several years and According to the experts, the black crime rate would predict since most police shootings at the rate of the police encounter with armed and violent suspects, police come across armed and violent suspects in urban areas herblock much more often than other racial groups. And in fact when you put it on the charts and you put on analytics. Zero point one percent. Of Black homicide victims are killed by police zero point one percent. Ninety, nine point, nine percent, statistically of black homicides do not result at the hands at the weapons of police. It's negligible number, but if you're one of the ones killed wrongfully. That's a big number. George Floyd was killed wrongfully There's a good chance of mud armory was killed wrongfully matt. There's a few every year about ten. Ten. Unarmed African, American killed by police, and some of those are justified, some or not, but the percentage of black homicide victims killed by the police. Is under zero point one percent. This the media tell you that this. The media relate that to you. Of course not it doesn't fit the narrative. Let's spend some time with you now I accept your telephone calls at five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand pound, seven hundred eighteen teak, and we'll see where this goes. If there's systemic racism and big city police departments then people like John Cranley Patrick to Haney Milton. Mark Mark Mallory Charlie Lukens the ones imposing the racism, and that's simply not the case if there's systemic racism in Cincinnati public schools. Then African American leaders are in charge of the racism. That is impossible. I WANNA get your reaction and with match diamonds permission I will take calls five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand. I. Do not justify what happened to George Floyd whatsoever. Those responsible must be held to account, but we have a great police system at least in our part of the country, and I do not see it. Tell me where I'm wrong on newsradio seven hundred W W. How! Do Break a thousand small all. For the baby? y'All. Amid a on an Bad. Old. Billy Cunningham, the great American and want to get your calls now. Five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand pounds, seven, hundred eighteen. We have a bill and Mary many others last night on my syndicated show, I had on several callers from Seattle about Chaz. which is changed to chop? Thought Charlie Lucan may have been involved in some of this, but I texted with them on Sunday. It wasn't named after him. We have chaos. And quiet lives matter right down that term right down that phrase there used to be the silent majority. Quiet lives matter. Why aren't more people speaking out about what's happening in our country, the functional part, black, and white and Brown, yellow and red, the functional part that actually work quiet lives matter. The last poll was done in two thousand, sixteen and eighty percent of African Americans wanted more. More police services in every time the police go into the functional parts of accounting and talk. About what do you want from us? Almost every time when chief Elliott shows up somewhere, he hears from the residents at the meetings. We need more police services. The chief does not here. We need less police when look at some of the ridiculous demands posted on some restaurants and not are. I see demands about defunding the Cincinnati, police and doing this and doing that doesn't work that way. It's the way things are, and so what I'm saying is. Is that the large part of the American electorate? Aren't speaking out. But we will speak out November the third, and saying this cannot be the new normal, and lastly before I go to the calls lastly. New Media loves to cover these large protests. The governor's the mayor's say get out there and protest do whatever, but when the trumpster wants to hold a rally in Tulsa on Saturday. So far they've received eight hundred thousand request for tickets into an arena that holds about sixteen, thousand, eight hundred thousand oaks of said I wanNA. Go see this guy. The desire vote is unprecedented. And Republican history I'm sure it was president twenty eight with Barack Hussein Obama. There was lines around the corner of fifth third arena, and you see to watch him speak. He was a messianic character who, at least on the surface would have made? A great president is policies did not work. His personality did maybe just the opposite with the trumpster with the trumpster. His policies work, but as tweets often do not so I care more. More about results of policy, then I care about whether he attacks. Mattis goes after Kelly goes after some of the generals I wish he didn't do that, but in reality is policies, work just the opposite of Obama who could sing and dance and cry on command, and played the role of the presidency. The best since Ronald Reagan Ronald Reagan looked like a President Obama looked like a president on the other hand. trumpster gets things done. And so quiet lives matter. And the reason more people aren't speaking out is because we have functional lives. We have husbands. We have lives. We have children with bills. We have leased cars. We have student loan payments to make in. Other words live a functional life. And last thing before I go back to the callers map. I. Always talk about percentages and say okay, and what does this represent? There's two point two million Americans eleven the state, which are the twenty two countries and our Lsi with the air twenty two counties. We have about fifteen. In. Ohio. We have about four in Kentucky. We have about three and Indiana. This is the so-called Metro area. Two point. Two million ten percent of that number is of course, two hundred and twenty thousand one percent of that number is twenty. Two thousand one tenth of one percent of that number is two thousand, one hundredth of one percent of that number is is two hundred. If two hundred people show up which is one hundredth of one percent. To protest the media's there with the cameras with the action channel five nine. Do a great job there they're land about Taglay does a great job. She's there John London is there. Of course I watched Brian Hamrick. He's there he's doing his thing. To on one hundred of one percent. Is that much up bought. Remember the third. Is going to be a turn out of probably sixty percent. Of registered voters that is in Hamilton County. There's going to be about three hundred and fifty thousand people voting, not two hundred, three, hundred fifty thousand quiet lives matter. He's not perfect. I wish he would speak differently at times the speech he gave Saturday at the West Point. Academy graduation was wonderful. That guy would get forty one forty states it'd be, it'd be over. The guy that's mean and petty and some tweets. It's going to have problems. I'll say this if trump runs against biden. Trump wins forty states. If trump runs against trump. It's going to be tight. It's going to be tough. I want trump to run against spider. I want trump not to run against trump the good trump and the bad trump, the policy trump against the tweeting trump. If the policy trump fights the tweeting trump, it's going to be tight. If Donald Trump runs against Joe Biden. He wants forty states so I've passed up the food chain. The idea that can you calm down just a little bit not a lot. And don't anger especially white educated female voters who live in Blue Ash Montgomery and Kenton County. And those are the individuals who have to be made to feel that the democratic way of handling thing will make myself and my family unsafe. That if the protest always seem to morph into riots if that is the course that we're going to be on I, don't want that, but give those white educated females who live in Montgomery County. Reason on. As say okay. Economic Development Conservative judges, a functional foreign policy, the only president, and how long not to start a war. That's trump. Since nineteen, sixty BRAC, basically every president has gotten us into a war of one type or another. Let's not do that anymore. That's trump. So also I believe I'll go to the calls. I believe that the black vote is going to be for trump in the range of fifteen to twenty percent instead of eight percent which he received. Eight percent in two thousand sixteen. If he gets fifteen percent of the black vote, it's over I can't imagine if you're an African American. And you studied the issues that the course you're on an urban America configured only by the democratic. Party. Is the course that you still want to be on. I can't imagine continuing with the policies in urban areas for the last fifty to one hundred years. All of which in every area has failed. You can't send your kid to the Dayton, public schools or the Cincinnati public schools unless you have to. and. The taxes are confiscatory to do that. You can't be if you look. Watch the media. You can't be happy with the performance and urban areas of the police department. Of course Shaun King spokesman for black lives, matter points out that all the police violence is taking place according to the Shaun King of them in areas controlled by the Democratic, party. And the Democratic Party is the Party of the Ku Klux Klan of lynchings of Jim Crow. The confederacy, these statues being torn down. Our Statues the Democrats. And if there is police brutality in many areas that were in police departments. The Democratic Party is charging the police departments so the front, and not just recently fifty one hundred years the last time a Republican. Controlled Atlanta city government was one hundred and fifty years ago after the civil war, so there are completely in charge everything that happens so if there is systematic institutional racism, all over Urban America. Which parties in charge of that? Answers, the Democrats I s John Cranley on Friday. Whether or not. There systemic racism and see PD's that absolutely not now that that's not a very popular standard take, but it's truthful. John Cranley is a good man. Despite the fact, he's a Liberal Democrat to be good Democrats. Are People like Jim Neal and dusty Rhodes and individuals like that, but they don't exist anymore within the Democratic Party. You gotta be a left-wing extremists to be successful, so when I hear the cries, Hollers the shouting Aerosol, a spit all over the place, which is complemented by the media. The party in charge of that is the Democrats if in the Cincinnati public. Schools there's institutional systemic racism Democrats have controlled. For Sixty years. And if they can't recognize that, they shouldn't be in charge at all. So if you're an African, American urban areas and you believe the Police Department is institutionally racist and you believe the school system is systemically racist. The Democrats are in charge. The statues being torn down. DAMMIT, they're all democrats. So how can you stick with hand? When the other approach is uncertain, what would occur? If you voted Republican. God knows what would happen. The odds of that happening I think almost non-existent. But factually of all black homicides in America. That caused by police, justified or other. Is Zero point one percent of black homicides. Zero point one percent. That's where the media focuses this morning on CNN watching interview with the. With the DA in Fulton County Paul Howard. and. He said every year about a thousand. Americans are killed by police. The next question from poppies should have been. Well! WHAT PERCENT ARE AFRICAN AMERICANS? The answer is twenty five percent of that the great majority without question are justified degrade. No one would argue only a handful or questionable. Like what happened in Atlanta? Of course what happened in Minneapolis to me is not questionable. That was murdered. Nonetheless, it is zero point one percent of homicides for every one questionable police shooting match time, everyone seven hundred times. A black man kills another black man. So, what is the media focus on zero point one and not ninety nine point one because it fits their agenda. So! That's where we are. And by the way he's numbers confirmed by Harvard The Washington Post CDC the Department of Justice. Whatever and. And and lastly before I turn things over you in Philadelphia Police Department found that. Justice Department! Did this did this work in urban areas? That white police officers were much less. Than a black or Hispanic cop does shoot black suspects because of what white cops go through. It's amazing to me in this climate. What happened to raise short brooks on Friday night, late and Garett Ralph is going to spend the rest of his life regretting though split-second decisions he made, and yes, the allow Lanta police have said as recently as last week. That tasers are deadly weapons that comes from the Atlanta police. It comes from the Fulton County grand jury. It comes from the mare comes from the district attorney's office. They said in the charges filed. By them against those black Atlanta police officers that tastes those black college kids in the indictment that tasers are deadly weapons. They can't say in those cases a- tasers, a deadly weapon, and then all of a sudden say well tasers, no big deal. See what I'm saying. You can't do that. So facts ought to matter, but they don't because of keeping political power and keeping group people. Held down because of the rhetoric. That is involved in police matters, and why a person a man or woman wants to be a cop. Today is well beyond my ability to understand I. Listen Quick babbling with Matt's diamonds. Permission I'm done talking. We have bill and Michael and Mary. We have three lines open on the other side I'm going to take your calls your the jury. You are the American jury and I want to hear from you. You about how you process what happened in Atlanta? What happened in Minneapolis? What's going on in Seattle? In which rebellion has taken place? I don't feel good about military forts named after individuals who declared war in my country, and killed six, hundred thousand and the civil war. Don't feel good. There's gotTa to be somebody else to name the forts after that's fine, but the reason it was done. Was something called reconciliation? But there was a sense that Fort Hood and Fort. Lee named after confederate generals and confederate heroes that somehow that would be like reconstruction and reconciliation. Whatever there's got to be better people to name forts after then heroes of a force that declared war on the United States of America and indirectly killed Abraham Lincoln and so I I don't have a dog in that fight. Why Jefferson Davis Statue is in Frankfurt is beyond me. That guy was the president of the confederacy that declared war in the United States of America. I get that name. After Medal of honor, winners got some other American military heroes. Whatever I'm good with that. But the idea that we're systemically racist. One economically African Americans doing so well and the police departments are controlled by the political philosophy of the protesters of the sixties and seventies is beyond me. Media won't cover it because it's not fair. Let's go to Keith, and and Michael and many others I'm done talking at least told by two o'clock five, one, three, seven, four, nine seven thousand pounds, seven hundred eighteen t one twenty four home year reds, which may be now in July talk to the man I texted with the man. By close of business today, allegedly the commissioner supposed to put out a schedule of fifty two games, and then see what happens, and then the reds are coming back. It's a terrible terrible result, only terrible as compared to the alternative, and which is no reds baseball at all. That's the worst. This is the best of bad results at your home of the reds newsradio seven hundred. WWL You all W. As I was speaking, the rock came in to relate the. Dallas. Cowboys and Houston, Texans have had players undetermined amount test positive for cove, nineteen cowboys, and the Houston Texans. The Houston cougars college football, of course have several players tested positive, but I asked the question. Are they sick, are they? Are they in the hospital? The answer most certainly is no I'll give you one other fact toward now I go to the calls. In the state of Texas, there's approximately seventy thousand. Hospital beds seventy thousand. And other seventy, thousand, thirteen hundred have covid nineteen patients in bed with seventy thousand available. Is Out being overwhelmed. And the State of Ohio we're here legibly according to Matt, according to match. And others. There's thirty four thousand hospital beds in the state. Of Ohio, what was the high water mark of Covert Nineteen patients here? The answer is about fifteen hundred. Out of thirty four thousand. Is that overwhelmed? And I don't think so so underwhelmed. So the media is fixated on infection rates as opposed to hospitalizations or God, forbid deaths, and all lives are terribly important, but the media has a goal of getting trump out of office to make him look and make make him look impotent to make him. Look Flaccid and plaza. Make them look as if he can't do the job. So every time something occurs in the media, they over the top to make trump look poor as opposed on Obama was an office everything. Everything that happened was great, so when riots took place under Obama, which happened on a regular basis. You might recall what happened in Dallas. What happened in Baton Rouge what happened in Ferguson? What happened in Baltimore? The focus on despite the fact, trump's doing despite the fact that Obama's doing a great job. Look what's happening now. When the same events are taking place, it's the report in a way that trump's terrible job. Look what happens just the opposite of the reporting. But Will there now be i. don't Know College football because. The same thing's going to keep happening for the next foreseeable future large numbers are going to become infected of anything whatever it might be a flu or covert nineteen, and maybe can't play for a week or two. And the good old days. Have you caught the flu? You may be down a week and you get back to work now. The implication is catch covert nineteen. You'RE GONNA die when that is not the case. As. You've heard me say many times. Many places I have here. The statistics from New York City Health Department. And you would agree with me that. Is the belly of the beast. Epicenter Covert Nineteen York City. The death rate is cumulatively zero point zero eight four percent. Average age is seventy six. Seventy six years old death rate is zero point zero eight four percent now you cannot cheat death. That's going to happen. We'll have an expiration date. I'm in the seventh inning of my life about to go into the seventh inning stretch. I WANNA. Play all nine innings. But I don't go in public that much I. Keep a low profile covert. I'm in the category. I want to live a long life a good life, so, but if you're twenty years old or twenty two years old, and you catch cove at nineteen. So far. Not One person has died Cova nineteen in that age group. It's largely something that occurs. Shall we say with older folks or those that have commidities? Coma Mobility's in one sense or another. You could be eighteen years old and be gone through Chemo. Which case you're in the category, so we'll all I'm saying is is that. Can we have some pro proportionality in some understanding? What risk you take what risks you don't WanNa. Take when I play golf. I take a risk on I. Drive a car to take a risk a lot of my buddies. which I don't do, smoke cigars. They take a risk. Dry Fast? You gotta risk you smoke marijuana. You gotTA risk. It's Kinda weighing the risk reward, and so when the media drives a certain agenda. It is what happens. So, let's go to the calls with your permission and we'll continue and tomorrow. We have on attorney Carl Lewis African American talk about what he would have done. To In this particular case, Ray Chard Brooks and you heard on your friend and mine. Kent County Attorney. Rob, Santer saying this is not a prosecutable case. It's a a legal but wrong. You know what I'm saying. It's legal what he did. What the police officer Garrett Ralph did. It was legal because a deadly weapon was used against him. But shooting somebody in the back running away going the other direction, it was legal, but wrong understand. Is there differential there? There's no question in Minneapolis. It was illegal and it was wrong. What happened to George, Floyd? Chev and should not happen to anybody that was wrong. That's the outline that is not a regular event that takes place and I have proof. It's not a regular event because zero point one percent. Of Black homicide victims died to answer police zero point one and the media focus on zero point one which communicates the idea is happening all the time. What is not happening all the time? One other thing. Before I, go to the calls. There's about seven hundred thousand cops in America seven hundred thousand. Every day there's millions and millions of contacts with Americans of seven thousand cops. They have context and a day. You might have ten to twenty context at seven million contacts a day. you run out the numbers. There's about five hundred million contacts every year between law enforcement and the black community. Five, hundred, million, five, hundred million. According to Washington Post there are ten black men that have died unarmed. At, the hands of police ten. Out of five hundred million dot number that zero point one percent could be could be way high, significantly less proportionality, you can drill into one issue to make the public think. It's happening all the time when it does not happen, not even close to happening all the time. That's what the media to do. It is rare to have any person die at the hands of police, but when it does occur numerically twice as many white people are killed by police in black, but that doesn't fit the narrative. And the ratio's important is who the police come in contact with it. It's not the fact that whites or five and a half times more in the population and blacks. It's who they come in contact with an urban areas, the top seventy urban areas, and you're much more likely to come in contact with a black perpetrators Nevada identified by victims. Then white one nine, the less white police officers rarely, if ever shoot somebody because of the fear of what's happening. And how in the Hell Could Garrett Ralph? Did what he did on Friday night in that environment at that time to shoot someone. When he had his idea had the car, he was drunk. He committed robbery by stealing the tasers committed felonies attacking a police officer rolling around the pavement, stupid stuff chasing him, yes, and when he was shot. Tasers was aimed at him. He had the right to shoot. According to Georgia law, he had the right. But, should he have done it? You have the right to do something that doesn't mean. You should do it the right to do a lot of things you shouldn't do. And in this climate Garrett Roth is likely going to be convicted so about a year or two in the state of Georgia and likely going to spend decades in jail. He made a wrong split-second decision. When I'm sure today wishes, he could get back. On the other hand, Derek Chalvin the COP and Minneapolis. No question. He murdered that guy. Eight minutes and forty six, and by the way I'm glad you pointed that out. Wrongfully Killed George Floyd. How about those police officers murdered guarding person and property during the riots. Do you know their names the Saint Louis? Cop the Oakland cop mentioned last night for Las Vegas Cop Twenty Nine Years Old Hispanic shot in the head during the riots in Las Vegas. He's GonNa spend the rest of his life paralyzed from the neck down on a ventilator. He's twenty nine years old. Can we have any moments of silence for those cops who stood up to guard person property during the riots who are who are killed murdered in uniform? Can someone speak of them? What are their names with the PGA tour? Hold a moment of silence in their memory. They sacrificed their lives for their fellow countrymen. Why why does the media point out the fact that we need a moment of silence for those who knowingly gave their lives for their fellow countrymen? Happens all the time. There's about eighty cops every year. They get murdered. Do you know any of their names? Sunday camera that's been about six years. Recently? african-american Florida officer was murdered and the line of duty. You know his name. Saint Louis Cop. You know his name. The Oakland officer you know his name. The four cops in Saint Louis that were shot in Maine. You know their name. The Las Vegas cop lying on his back for the rest of his life. You know his name with the PJ tour. Give a moment of silence for him with Lebron. James speak up for him. And I don't think the NBA going to hold a moment of silence. What's going to happen now and my perspective? Is that whether it's the NFL. Tennis soccer there'll be moments of silence for the next year for George Floyd. who was murdered at the knee of a police officer? How about all the others who knowingly sacrifice their lives. To Guard persons and property and gave up their life for the countrymen. Is Anyone. GonNa talk about the Saint Louis Cop who spent thirty eight years as detective sergeant who gave us life? No don't even know. You probably knows name. Irrelevant because he cannot be used by the media to advance a determined agenda. It doesn't work that way. But. We know the names of Brianna Taylor who was wrongfully killed in Louisville or Ahmad Aubrey and waycross Georgia. George Florida and Minneapolis or RASHARD BROOKS IN ATLANTA. Trayvon Martin. We know his name Michael Brown. Yeah. I've got all the other ones who weren't doing anything wrong. At all and were murdered. Guarding Persons and property don't know their names lost a history. It doesn't matter. Why doesn't matter matters to me I think it matters to match diamond and Iraq matters. Yes, it matters, but they're not honored in any way because it can't be used by the media to advance an agenda. I got a problem with that I. I think most normal Americans do have a problem with that. Because all lives are valuable black lives, matter and cops lives matter and human lives matter. Of course you can't say that either. and. It said. And I had a doubt about tasers and that was put to rest. I think by ROB. Sanders and by Paul Howard Paul. Howard is the JOE and Fulton counties. Blacks been there twenty four years district. Attorney Fulton County gave is given numerous interviews in which is all, but said Garrod, Ralph's going to get indicted for murder or felony murder. It's going to happen. He said a week ago and indicting some black cops who roughed up and taste. Couple Black College kids. That in the news conferences they declared that a tasers a deadly weapon it can cause serious physical harm to another. If you have a heart Arrhythmia, you might Renault that tasers have been used and kill somebody, and then lawsuits are filed because the Taser killed somebody. And, so, if you have in your mind, the idea that you know a taser is not a deadly weapon. Well District Attorney Fulton County Da, Paul Howard said yes, it is a deadly weapon week ago. Now he's saying well. It's not a deadly weapon. How can it be deadly a week ago for the cops you indicted, but it's not deadweight now. In response to it being discharged by Ray Chard Brooks, that officer Ralph are L. F. E. discharge his weapon three time sitting twice in the back. To me, it looks like a bad shooting. But it's legal. If I'm making any sense because you can do. Something doesn't mean you should do something. If that case was tried in Hamilton County by Joe Daters in Kenton County by Rob Sanders or in Dearborn County. There's no way you could get twelve jurors to say that that was a bad shooting. On the other hand. If this case is tried in Georgia anywhere in Georgia, the jurors are going to be thinking if I find that cop not guilty. ATLANTA'S GONNA burn for the fifth or sixth time. The pressure on that jury is going to be immense to come up with a politically correct decision. Say what you want about Joe Eaters. I disagreed with him on Ray, tensing. He stood up like a ten full beacon in the night. And he said this is what I believe I'm going to the Mat to try ray tensing twice for murder. Of Sam, Dubose. And disagreed with him, but that's a prosecutor who follows the law as he sees it irrespective of color personality circumstances, the easy popular thing to do in that case was Joe Dealers to give ray tensing a free pass. But he and marked Pete Marin and Rick Gibson is topped to assistance said that is a bad shooting, and we're going to pursue it. And they pursued it, and they pursued it, and they pursued it to hung juries later they said enough's enough ray tensing I've thought ray tensing and my view, which isn't nearly as important. As Joe's view or The jury's view I think he had his finger on the trigger, and he flinched and killed him. And he's a bad for him and bad for the family, but Jodi eaters is a is a man of morals, ethics and values. WHO said on pursuing this case because I believe in it. Paul harmony other hand. The Fulton County said a week ago, a Tasers, a deadly weapon. Now saying week later, a Taser is not a deadly weapon. Well, let's continue. Have Thousands on hold. Millions are listening to get to the calls. The bottom of the next hour. We're going to have Rachel and Rock will be talking about the Dallas Cowboys and the Houston Texans just broke out that That several. The players have tested positive for covert nineteen is the NFL season now at risk goes. A few of the players got sick of flu like condition I certainly hope not. We have to live with this thing man. We gotta live with it. And we have to manage. It does like anything else in life is not the end of the world is not. Bubonic plague. And it's not the black death is not diptheria. It's not tuberculosis one hundred years ago. We can live with this thing. Remember the death rate in new. York City zero point zero eight four percent. Let's continue with your calls next on news radio seven hundred w automobile. Cunningham the great American Under assault everywhere, we can find them couple of days ago. Lory lightfoot mayor of Chicago is going after police, and it's being ineffective, Lazy and also oppressor oppressive in the black community. She said there's systematic racism and the Chicago Police Department which have been now controlled by the Democratic Party for about one hundred years and Eric Garcetti the mayor of L. A. Wants to take about two hundred fifty million dollars out of the LAPD budget and give it to social causes. The ause Yo. New York wants to take a billion dollars away from the forty two thousand, NYPD so joining us now Jennifer Per Sarah sees the director of Independent Women's law center about the impact negatively, this would have in the black community and Jennifer for Sarah's welcome I think for the first time to the bill Cunningham show and Jennifer. How are you I'm well. How are you I'm great now. Let's talk assuming I hate you on about. Three weeks ago before what happened in Minneapolis has metastasized. What was the status of the black communities relationship with police officers before Minneapolis happened Kinda. Give us an overview. Well I would say it was conflicted. I would say on the one hand. The community was concerned about over enforcement in terms of stop and Frisk They were concerned about police brutality, which does exist and but at the same time they understood that police are necessary and that police keep their communities safe. Because Black Americans unfortunately are victims of. Of. Violent crime and much larger proportions than any other segment of society, and so the police are necessary in order to protect them. In fact, The Washington Post Harvard. A bunch of other studies have indicated that a white person is much more likely to be killed by police in a black person about twice as likely numerically, and there's much more violence against white criminals. Great bulk of witches deserve because guns are pointed a cops all the time as opposed to black, but CNN will never run a series of stories of white in America today, and all the shootings of white people. The great majority deserved it by cops got doesn't fit the narrative and you have a. you have a posting one. Your columns have said by eliminating cops or slashing police budgets. It will not help poor black communities. In fact, it will hurt. It would hurt them specifically, and so when black folks go out to vote in. In Urban America for the last fifty to one hundred years over ninety percent of the time the vote for Democrats to keep the police the way they are. If large numbers of Chicago residents are really unhappy with police every two to four years they can vote out their employers and the fact that black folks and cities do not vote out the employers of the police chief and the police captains, and the men and women in blue does not seem to indicate that in general black voters in urban areas or happy with the police. Well look I think it's complicated, and I think that both parties are at fault here. Because the Democratic Party is beholden to union money, and the you know, the police unions give them a lot of money, and so the democratic politicians don't want to do anything that would actually solve the problem which is taking the power of the unions away in disciplinary matters and allowing police chief to discipline and terminate cops used excessive force, and there are some So that's the democratic side on the Republican side. You know a lot of law. Enforcement Officers Vote Republican, even though their unions give money to the Democrats so it that the excessive force problem is a problem that neither side of the political aisle really has the the will to tackle unfortunately. And that is what should be tackled In fact, the best way to make minority communities safer is to increase the number of police on the beat in those communities to deter crime, but to reform the disciplinary system that allows bad cops to remain on the force, and so that is like Camden New Jersey is an example of that in which there was a complete change, and so in Minneapolis. Talk. About officer Derek Calvin. Who's now facing second degree murder charges along with his three compatriots as I understand it. He had a long history of some violent behavior in Minneapolis, but the union protected them as a consequence, there was no discipline explained about his situation. That's correct. Well. My understanding is they were seventeen. Separate complaints lodged against this officer and. The Union's job is to tax the workers, all workers whether in the wrong or whether they have been unjustly accused fats, their role and this is highly problematic, because they are able to negotiate their disciplined and essentially. They they've bargained for protections that other workers don't have, and if another worker in a non unionized environment where to use excessive force or have seventeen customer complaints lodged against them, that person would be fired but the unions don't allow that now. You know you can say that. Unions have an appropriate role supply in terms of collectively bargaining for wages and working conditions and stuff like that, but there's absolutely no reason for them to be involved in the disciplinary process when it comes particularly to excessive force and civil rights violations, so your point is public. Education and urban areas have lousy for decades, but the unions that control the teachers always support the in power government, which is Democrats so they provide A. Leather on ground. They supply voters and also money to the Democrats to keep the democratic power structure in place in cities, just like in the police fire divisions. There's lots of votes there. They have spouses. They have boyfriends, girlfriends, MOMS, DADS, brothers, sisters, and so if you're in a fire, union, a police union or a Teacher's Union, all those unions uniformly give support to Democrats and urban areas, and so to get rid of bad firefighter, a bad ems, a bad teacher, or a bad cop is something. The Union is not in business of doing because They're in the business of protecting their members. They are in the business of protecting members. I would say police unions are a little bit different than the others because I think that their membership tends to be a little bit more politically diverse there are a lot of law enforcement officers who vote Republican or who are more libertarian or conservative but what really is is the dark money that's controlled by the union bosses that funneled almost exclusively and democratic campaigns. Talk about what happened in Florida with the collective bargaining rights of various Florida sheriff's officers explain what happened when the Union took over a lot of the Florida, law enforcement. There's been studies done that show that when a law enforcement. Division a sheriff's Department or Police Department unionize is that complaints and incidents of police brutality rise, and the reason they say rise is because It's basically the same officers that are repeat offenders, and so when you can't punish them or get rid of them. the incidents in Crete. so in particular the case you were talking about in Florida the the extension of collective bargaining rights to the sheriff offices there led to an estimated forty percent increase in violent incidents. Amount sheriff officers. But elected in the United States. Before the Union got involved with the sheriff's offices. Things are somewhat flaccid placid once the union collective bargaining rights came in the various sheriff officials in the deputy sheriff's dot. Okay, I got protection now and the Union, the Unionisation of Florida deputies caused a forty percent increase in violent incidents. Sheriffs that had like the team the united correct. Why isn't that covered by the media? Well hopefully, it will start today Hopefully it will start. You make the point that the study by Benjamin Sacks at Harvard a study using data from America's one hundred largest cities found that police protections created via union contracts or significantly and positively correlated with the killing of unarmed members of the black community. Yes, I'm not sure that Professor Sachs authored that study did write about it. in an article recently and professors facts. You know a very pro union liberal professor, but even he is saying look you know. Unions might do some good when it comes to bargaining for wages. But it's gotTA. Stop when it comes to discipline because. It having negative consequences across the board. Jennifer. You spent years as a former commissioner in the United States Commission on Civil Rights. There's a there's and you have the overall. Look at what's happening the entire country. Isn't it fair to say that is far as numerically violence by police against criminal suspects is almost twice as much against a white possible criminal suspects than a black one. I believe that numerically. That's true I also think it's important to now. It's that numerically as as well as not in America, but proportionally blacks are you know much more likely to be victims of crimes than white people and in fact there was a study done that on crime rates between hundred, seventy, three and two, thousand fifteen that showed the risk of serious violence to blacks. Was One and a half to two times greater than the risk to whites. And you know a lot of people. Civil rights activists on both the left and the right have noted that it's the deprivation of proactive policing constitutes a civil rights violation. Not The police itself so. In other words, you have professor Randy candidate, who's a liberal professor at Harvard Law, school and Civil Rights Activists who's written that that it is the under protection of black communities. That's racist. not the over policing is because in twenty seventeen blocks were fifty two percent of known homicide victims with over ninety percent of that being at the hands of another black person. In fact when crime happens, it's almost ninety percent white on White Hispanic on Hispanic black on black, but when it crosses racial lines. For every ten offenses that are cross racial. Ten are black on white, not white on black, but the media doesn't focus on that because it doesn't fit the narrative and and twenty seventeen blacks were fifty two percent of known homicide victims, despite only being thirteen percent of the population and according to study the Washington. Post arrest or made killings of Lexington significantly lower than homicides were. The victims are white and it's what's the reason that black victims and witnesses of a black murder doesn't come. They don't come forward as witnesses as much as a white witness of a white victim of murder. Tell you the truth. I can't speak to that. I mean I could hypothesize I I really I haven't looked at those studies and I can't give you an honest answer on that We're here in Cincinnati when it happens when I talk. I'm in Cincinnati Ohio. Cops tell me homicide. They clear about fifty percent of homicides that there's a lack of cooperation with law enforcement, and not a lot of time street justice takes place and snitching. Get stitches. And most communities. If somebody's loved, one is killed or someone you watch something going on you. Step forward to give your evidence to the. Homicide detectives and they apprehend the responsible party, but in parts of Chicago Major. Cities New York Harlem La that cooperating with the police is a negative, and if you cooperate with police, snitch, get stitches, and as a consequence you take out more street, Judge, justice, which causes more homicide, and so this this professor from Harvard is a liberal, said that it's a civil rights deprivation, not to have more police, but that's not what the media and black lives matter are saying that they want less police. So what is advocated by liberals today in the media black lives, matter is going to cause more violence in the black community, which is what they're seeking to avoid it's. Kind of the point. I mean. If you really were concerned about black lives, you'd want black lives to be better protected by the police, which means more policing, and yes, some police for forms, but in general you'd want more police on the beat in poor minority communities, and that's not. That's not happening. In fact, in fact, Garcetti wants to take two hundred fifty million away New York City de Blasio. Takeaway a Billion Dollars Minneapolis, nine of the thirteen council members voted to. Disband the police completely. What impact without having the black community? and. We'll have a devastating effect in the black community, and the pathetic thing is the BLASIO and Garcetti. Won't you know they won't suffer the consequences sitting in there lily, white neighborhoods or their second homes where they don't have to call police, because they live in safe places, and they have their personal security guards, so they won't be impacted at all, but the people that govern well, and it won't be for the better. Better no, not for the better. We gotta run Jennifer Per Sera's director Independent Women's law center former commissioner. The US Commission on Civil Rights. The thing to do is more police means less crime, but your other point is that unions protect bad cops, and that's a problem. It certainly is Jennifer. You're a great American and thank you for coming on the bill. Cunningham show and we'll do it again and God. Bless you, thank you. Unless continue with more I think about that. More police means less crime, so liberals. No, this black lives matter no this because they're familiar with the studies as much as anyone else's that as a consequence by advocating a policy that hurts, the black community will cause more. And more outrage in more angst and more separation of the races, all of which have terribly negative impacts in our society. Bill Cunningham the great American. Let's continue with more of course on newsradio seven hundred WWL W. Rock flashed up a little bit ago. We got zeke Dallas Cowboys. We have been we have the cougars. And the Texans, and God knows who else. What does this mean now for the National Football League for college football wasn't mean if Zeke has covert nineteen. Well, I mean to me. It doesn't mean anything until he has symptoms, no-one has said any of these players whether University of Houston Texans Cowboys Zeke. There are some players at Alabama and Marshall tested positive. No one I've never read anything I said. These guys are on their deathbeds, or they're grossly sick, or they have all these sorts of none might have it not having I mean. Yeah means that this is weaponising disease to her trump. Their weaponising this to say? Let's get him out of office. Which is sick? It's got nothing to NC double. A. is supported by football and basketball. Correct correct. That's it everyone else. In fact most Xavier Makes Money Xavier basketball. Program almost supports everything at the university athletically. They don't have football at UC football. What if you done play football? It's bad looking I've said this before. There's a lot of people out there. So I could care less about college football player, not okay well. If you have a son or daughter that plays Lacrosse or softball, or rowing or something student all of. Of That's all of its is gonNA. Go on because football in probably a handful of schools, maybe ten actually make money in basketball other than that they all cost money and those two sports lift the other ones up. So what happens what happens now? This big story broke about a about a half an hour ago. That's going to be ridden. Hard and Tulsa the trumpster has eight hundred thousand laser. For eighteen thousand seats, so the same thing was a year ago, the US bank come on man, and now the media's after him for putting people together when they were together with the protests that was applauded and constitution constitutionally protected when the trumpster does it. It's a negative school can go to. Church can't go to a rally, but you can. Are you ready now for the big question for way? What is it well? College football and the NFL both happened starting. I guess the end of August I think certainly the NFL will. Will I think college football NFL has the greatest chance of happening, just because it makes so much money for so many people. I think you could make the argument. Okay. These are professionals are grown men. They can make their own decisions kind of thing, maybe less of that in college. Even though I think they should play as well major. League baseball today's Today. Allegedly the gauntlets been laid down. This is it and I read online here with with what is happening ESPN if a player makes a million dollars a year that's. That's his contract, which is about a little above average, but not been. He's actually gonNA. Make about three hundred and thirty thousand dollars on a fifty games schedule. Throw thirty pay tax on that. He's GonNa make about one hundred seventy thousand dollars. That's a lot of money for three months where their work. If you tell some Schlep in Sharonville, you make net sixty thousand dollars a month, and see all in absolutely absolutely players, saying now the NBA saying the same stuff NBA, saying I don't know. We got too much issues going on. On well I think the player that's making the million. That's going to turn into three hundred thirty. Thousand is going to say yes. I WANNA play because he's not. He's not making joy. He's not banked. Joey votto Bryce. Harper tight money so for him that this is very very small window to make any sort of money playing baseball. The Joey bottles of Bryce Harper's of Mike. Trout's the world. They're going to be fine if they take off a year because they've banked so much cash already and they got so much coming, Giovanni. Those calver players may may I would say they're probably looking at saying Kinda why you go into a rush off season for fifty games risk injury when I got a contract coming up next year where I could sign for a quarter of a billion dollars. Why risk those players are saying that I'd say the majority of the League is kind of more minimum salary, folks. They're saying hey, mouse, let's play. This might be my only shot to play and make a couple of bucks. Is Part of the Cincinnati curse that began in one thousand nine. Because the red legs right now. Team boy they could, and now there's a fifty one game scheduled fifty two game schedule. Every games were three little more in three. To five game winning streak. That's like fifteen games on one sixty two. If you go on a five game losing streak, you're almost done done, but the reds are now positioned to do this. It's like when they won two games San. Francisco. I'll have to win three, so it's like Kenyon. Martin breaks his leg just like Tim. Krumrie whatever it is is like Taylor just like Louis billups, whatever it is Jeremy or whatever his name fumbling the ball. Hill and All of a sudden, then you got back to back. I mean it's like impossible and so it wouldn't. It be wonderful? I I hope they play I know. People are saying Oh, it's not a real I am not one of those people that live and die by the records and wins and losses, a number of batting, average, and all the store or A large segment of the baseball audience. I don't think it'd be tremendously fascinating to see a season. Ramped up. Were you said every game out I in a world? Where there's so much going on, you need to create must see. Television must see events in a game were now everyone is worth five or three or whatever he said, and it's GonNa. Not Start. Now June fifteenth if they give the players a week or ten days to report, it's June twenty fifth. You gotTA start playing July Fifteenth to get done. By the end of September you only have like nine weeks and then start the television saying you gotta get this thing over with on November first and so they're on an eight hundred million. A stake for the owners now eight, hundred million, what they make in the postseason, eight, hundred, million correct, and they're losing all this money, so the owners say we got play now. The players you were a player and I think the NFL PA is not even close to Major League Baseball and that union you guys are like weaken our list. This unions can say we're GONNA file a grievance. There was language in the March agreement that you had to get our compliance. You're imposing this. You're not working. Working with US therefore and then six months from now we'll find out the owners own more money I. I don't know here. My question always is I. Know You and i. a lot of people care about an say. Baseball needs to be played. Because what how great could this be for the game for the next quarter century? Right that baseball in the midst of the pandemic riots, and all this crazy found way to come together and play baseball for America I. Think we all agree with that. The average individual player cares about the no better about me. What houses affect me and my career, my situation in the short window of time that I have and sad, but I think the average baseball fan is like fifty seven years old. The average NFL fans about forty eight and the average soccer fans forty, and so this was an opportunity right now without much going on in June July and August for baseball to say where the only game in town come. Watches were cooperative wave the flag and we're talking about two billion brought protests, but they lost that moment I agree and I think how this is different to me from nine hundred and ninety four in terms of baseball. Being able to rebound is in four. There wasn't. The Internet and social media and Netflix's and all these other things that can consume our attention. You wonder if the the baseball fan out there has been so used to being without baseball that they've now found other things to garner their attention or garner their dollars right like. I, I think they have. So. How do they come? They don't play the season. How does that now fifty five? Who's been doing it for a year? He's like well I'm near retirement. Any way on I've been doing this long of spend my money on this that and the other now so I'm getting. I've shown I can do about it. So why? What's the incentive for me to just waiting in cross my fingers and wait for the call you ready for the big question another one. Yes, yes. Let's say you go to a reds game or Bengals game. And the Star spangled banner is played, and suddenly a black lives matter protests breaks out instead of watching old glory unfurled. You're suddenly are reminded about. I. Can't breathe the wrongful death of a black man in custody. You're reminded about what's wrong in the country. That was bad for five years ago, but Colin Kaepernick. There was a sense. Okay. We know what difficulty so nobody's in favor of police brutality. Nobody's in favor of racial inequality. We're all well once the same thing how to get. There's only issue but when you go. Go to a sporting event. You leave the issues of talk radio behind you WANNA. Go and have a beer. Have a hot dog. Watch a baseball game. It's great you don't WanNa. Be unwittingly part of a protest, so we'll the reds, and they'll have to allow the protest. Joy Vodka now has discovered his inner inner feelings from Canada, Joey Votto is understanding, and so during the seventh inning stretch, or maybe during the star, spangled banner, God bless America suddenly you're going to be part of a unwitting protest is gonNA play. I don't think it is and I know there was an article written today by Jason. What's his name lock often? Conference, tour, or whatever his name is, and he was saying how the NFL ratings are going to be astronomically high this year. Should they play and I I? Think it's probably the case, but what about the fan? Look, unless I've said before, this is not. Five or ten or even a hundred or even a thousand people oddballs that thinks standing for the anthem is important of millions of people willy. Millions of think that's important, so it's not just some small. Secret Group way over here out of their mind or something? A lot of people care about that and so does that fan. You know want to who who's done without sports for six or eight months, or whatever say six months here is GonNa. Just sit through that or you can say I spent my money and instead of spin on the NFL I'm going to buy an RV and travel the country I'm GonNa Campbell my family I've I've done without it this long. What's another? Doing during the Star spangled banner at the Great American Ballpark when some of the players on the field make political stands, and suddenly the fans are standing up saying. with, this and suddenly it's a conflict when it should be. You know one of the things about sports. It's coming together black. White Republicans Democrats how I personally come together. That's how I always. Viewed the national anthem everybody Black White Republican Democrat rich, poor background whatever came together, and that's the one thing everybody did everybody and he just it was a matter of I, thought. About the flag or the veterans military just like the respectful thing to do and some of the shade, despite all the many faults in this country. And we're all in this together, but now we're not and I'm thinking. Is that GONNA? Play well well I offer my compromiser. And it got destroyed. People laughed and snickered at you. They snickered I. Thought was pretty good was pretty good, but people snicker now, lastly another big question, according to fact I seen these little signs up. Facts matter science matters. According to the Department of Justice, and according to the CDC is zero point, one percent of black men or killed by police, the homicide, ninety nine point, nine percent, or not killed that way I'm watching CNN right now. Expect and black mother pence, a powerful letter to her unborn male child, telling him how dangerous it is to be black. Now statistically ninety nine point, nine percent are not police shootings of a black person who is extremely rare, but if the media every broadcast every TV show. Every print media keeps pumping. The idea that blocks regularly killed by racist police departments run by by the way liberal blocks. Somehow that is an issue. Why does in the media of which I'm sure we're not a part. Continually point out that statistically the death homicide rate of black males and zero point one percent of the total caused by police. Why isn't that pointed out of the same reason? They said Cove nineteen was GONNA kill two million people because fear cells is this is a business were. Were you under the assumption that this was about giving the facts about ratings and revenues. Is it thoughts? Ballot is okay, so that's why looked at the stats are the stats they're inconvenient. Stats are the stats and you know you can always work to get better and certain areas aside of course, but I think when you only look at one side of an issue in. The other side and the and everything it it can creates a situation where the issue becomes inflamed so much that people don't WanNa pay. Reality doesn't matter. It doesn't matter. It's the flatter society. Don't tell me the world is round. I note isn't and I will not hear evidence. 'cause I believe it's flat, and so when every study indicates that approximately ten unarmed black men are killed every year as supposed seven, thousand, five, hundred killed by each other, they focus on the ten, as if it describes the seven and a half thousand instead of the opposite why? Again. We're talking about ratings and revenue. That's what it's about us why all the focus has been on. Gobert has been on protests been on the murder Hornets. It's been on. Everything emerged Hornets what but what happened to those by the way I think there were eating bothers. Those blood sucking ticks that it was a blood. Sucking ticks story that got on the murder Hornets, and so in New York City. The belly of the beast, zero point zero eight four percent dyakov at nine hundred nine, so the big story is going to be at least in Dallas and Houston that the Houston Texans and the Dallas. Cowboys have covid nineteen therefore what? We've got gotTA. Shut everything down. We got to go back into our bunkers and look this was brought. Float around all weekend is what happens if? Governors are toying with a second lockdown. America will not stand for rebel can't. Even if they could your even thought okay, maybe it's the best thing for the situation which I don't think it is, but they physically can't. Because they've been economically ruined. They can't do this again. They're already destroyed. Many many many many people have been destroyed by this. They can't go into this quarantine again. Not even like wind can do, and I like to one doctor Amy Act in your friend. I call him Kenan Barbie. If Dr Amy Acton and John Usta Kenan Barbie, the actors done. She's over with now. I went down ever lawyer. It was kind of shocking. It was Thursday like about I dunno to ten to fifteen, he made the announcement. Get any of that have to do with poll numbers. I would assume as poll numbers continue to be high but I. Don't know I've asked Republican chairman Republican counties. If you had to fill out a Lincoln Lincoln Reagan Day dinner. With Mike Dewine is the guest speaker. He said I couldn't sell a table. Among the Republican faithful now that's not what the polls say. The poll save he gets out of a primary. He's good to go, but he's got to get out of the primary. We always got to see where the poll is taken. That's the thing no one ever about because if they take a poll of people in Columbus or Cuyahoga. County Cleveland all that. It's going to show a support. They take it in Warren County, or not good, not good, not good i. what do you have on the big and Eddie's off today where he got? He's off, so it's Rachel and I and we're going to kick things off and talk about the Christine. Box Call for the William Henry Harrison's. And the just the greater. The greater issue of statues, being removed or not, and all the implication, so how many days was President Harrison President thirty one so in those in history and those thirty one days, so we don't talk about the Streetcar Bockel. We don't talk about the text messaging Bockel. We don't talk about the eighty million dollar deficits. We talk about the statue in Peopole singer heart. How dare you? President William. Henry Harrison that guy not forty one. Forty one. That's the problem one hundred eighty years ago. There's the problem right there. Let's get him down. I mean Hoop believes this this legitimate than diversion. That's what it is and to me you without giving the whole talking points away here I. It's to me. It becomes an issue of where does it end at never never ends. Thank God it doesn't end. Those. Business right right rocky. Good Luck! Let's continue with more. We'll see what happens, but lastly I showed the rock this story out of Fox, news not well covered in the mainstream media because it doesn't fit Shaun King is a black lives. Matter activists on Friday. He claimed that the city is experiencing. The worst police brutality are run by Democrats quote. Democrats, from top to bottom are running the cities with the worst police brutality in America right now. No one cares because it doesn't fit the narrative, so let's continue with more fifty four minutes after the hour and the The players have given the owners until. Until the close of business today, which assumes about six o'clock to set the schedule, which was start the lawsuits and all other difficulties, the owners want more of the control the money the players want the money, and in the meantime we fancier saying. Let me know when the Games are played, but please don't let me attend a left-wing radical protests during the seventh inning stretch rocky. Will you stand? What will you do if you're down at my ballpark? The Great American an black lives matter protest breaks out in the seventh inning. Stretch on, not be. That's not something that's not what I came the game for. I'm not, but did players don't know Joey votto is. because. They know they'll be crucified if they don't crucify blackballed. Thrown out any post career plans with done works. Oversee you. Yes, they have no choice. One acceptable line of thinking so freedom of speech doesn't apply. You have to agree with me otherwise. It's not free creek on newsradio seven hundred. That will you all?
Indicted: Officer who killed Rayshard Brooks charged with murder
"Welcome to the beat I Mari Melbourne. We begin with breaking news in the race Chard Brooks. Prosecutors in Atlanta today. Filing charges against the police officer who shot and killed Race Brooks just this past Friday. This is a big story, and we have it covered for you with several different angles and experts. The fire police officer Gary are all faces eleven charges that really throwing the book at Him that includes felony murder. What does that mean well? He could face life in prison without parole or even the death penalty if he's convicted now his partner officer Devon Brosnan facing three separate charges, including aggravated assault, but in A. A surprising and incredibly where move that we'll dig in with you tonight. Brosnan is now turning state's witness that means he will testify against his former partner Rolf. That is a huge deal. I have a breakdown on that coming up including some special guests, we wanNA stick though before we get into all of the legal explanation to the big news, and how this affects of course, a situation across the nation where there has been you know about it. The president knows about everyone knows about it. I'll roiling national pressure campaign. To try to change racism in criminal justice, all of that as the backdrop for an extraordinary afternoon in Atlanta, the DA, explaining how his office decided to charge the officers, and now arguing in public, he will argue jury of this goes to trial. The evidence shows. He says Ray Chard Brooks. Who was killed? That day was not even a threat. Mr Brooks never presented himself as a threat. At the very beginning, he was peacefully sleeping in his car. after he was awakened by the officer, he was cooperative. Mr Brooks allowed them to searching and the search yielded no weapon. That was the Paul Howard, explaining how according to not only the video evidence, which many have seen, but other evidence that we're just hearing about for the very first time tonight. Including the testimony I mentioned testimony of other witnesses and other materials the DA. Saying all of that Together makes this case for felony murder. Outlining how after Brooks failed that sobriety check? The conversation still endured for many minutes and seemed peaceful, then when the officers did attempt to handcuff Brooks. The stressing they didn't even say what Brooks was under arrest four, which is a requirement in general. A scuffle ensues which we know about you see that here. Brooks eventually then trying to flee to run away, and he did apparently take one of the officers tasers as he then fled. After what you see here. He was shot twice in the back. The DA revealing officer role according to the evidence, said allegedly quote. I got him right after shooting Brooks. Now you can see in the surveillance video. He then kicked brooks. You can see it there. As he was lying on the ground. We Now know dying the DA describing that as criminal evidence and describing it as kicking a man while he fought for his life that ultimately he was not allowed of course to live. We have many different aspects of this story for you tonight. We believe this is a very important development including the testimonial part that I mentioned which we're GonNa. Get into later in the show. The Nation continues to wrestle with how to reform, not only policing, but what protesters insist is to stomach racism that courses through the government, local and federal. Run by Democrats and Republicans. You know about it. This is the big conversation. One difference here which people can assess what it means, and of course it's the very beginning of illegal process, not the end, but one difference is a killing which the says was tragic, and DA is charging as murderer. Killing occurred. Friday now has these charges by Wednesday. We have our experts. We begin on the ground with NBC's Blaine. Alexander in Atlanta. Blaine, you have been reporting this story out for some time. Based on what you saw previously as well as the lead up to today, and then the DA's presentation. What is the state of the mood? The feelings the reaction in Atlanta. Before I get to that. Though I do want to actually give you a little bit of Breaking News, we've just gotten a statement from an attorney who's representing officer Brosnan and he said that contrary to what the District Attorney said today in the statement. I'm going to read it to you. You said office. Now, we'll get to that state's witness. We're GONNA. We're GONNA get to that. But why don't we start with Atlanta and walk us through what you're seeing there? And then we'll dig into the other pieces. Okay, so, there have been a lot of protests over the past few days i. think that's something that's very big that we've certainly seen on the ground here. I can't tell you that at the Wendy's. That's kind of become this. Place where people have come and left tributes and left balloons and things like that. We've seen gatherings in fact I walked out of that courtroom just after I finished listening to the district attorney, and as I walked over there, there were a number of people who had gathered in the street protesters who were gathering in the streets, wanting to block traffic because those things that we heard in the what the District Attorney said today. Today we're just so shocking to so many people that there was an officer who kicks Rashard broke Cecilia on the ground and other who stood on his shoulders, so that really was not just outside, but inside the courtroom with a lot of the here some verbal reaction to that you could hear kind of a gasp to that inside the courtroom. There are the other thing that we're hearing of course, the family of Race Brooks. To Make Miller. His widow was supposed to speak inside that news conference, and said her attorneys got up and said you know what she's just too emotional. She can't speak right now. But she did end up speaking later as essentially. She said that it hurt to hear those details. It hurt to know that. According to the district attorney, there were about two and a half minutes, or so before the officers rendered eight or a little more than two minutes now I do need to point out that both officers in a statement have said that they did render aid immediately, so they're pushing back on what the district attorney said. For the people who were listening to those details, you could hear some very strong reactionary. Blaine Alexander on the ground. Thank you so much. I want to turn to our experts reverend. Al Sharpton Head of the National. Action Network host of Politics Nation here and I'm and has worked many of these issues for so long California Congresswoman Barbara. Leah's remember the Congressional Black Caucus. Reverend Sharpton has many different aspects to this. Beginning with the big picture because you have been sadly down this road many times. What do you view as important about the process as it's played out since Friday? and. How rare is it to see a murder charge? That was announced here tonight. First of all think that the meticulous way prosecutor laid this out. Anyone that was watching around the country could clearly see that this was a very. Ugly and, and and I couldn't even describe out of seen. This was the person charged with murder officer charged with murder was not even the initial officer he was, the officer came. Later the initial officer we're told is saying that he didn't know that it would even require an arrest for it to escalate to the point where he shoots guy in the back twice, and then puts his foot on him is the kind of of behavior that we've been fighting for years saying that you cannot as you asked about big picture, you can remedy this Ari by saying we're going to give you. Some incentives would money if you just. Can. Be have good baby cops. You got to start putting police commit crimes in jail. They need to understand. You cannot take the law in your own hand and I. Think anyone that saw what happened with George Floyd, and now we're being told and see what happened in this case has to say wait a minute. This is not about changing some good naval policies of policing. This is about one police, acting a criminal and apparently intentional Mata-. They have to be dealt with like any other criminal. Congresswoman. I let me say. We grieve the loss and the needless killing murder of Mr. Brooks Brooks and just seeing this video again. My heart is so campy, and I just want to send my condolences I about to die his family, his friends and the entire Lamba community. Secondly, when when you see what is taking place. As it relates to just this video, and what happened with Mr Brooks? This is a process has been going on for four hundred in one years as released to the dehumanizing of African Americans so the. Police officers in the sense thought it was okay to do what they did I mean. There's no crime committed, and this Mr Brooks is is dead as a result, and so we have to do something and I want to say the protesters in the street, and what is taking place now is force in this country to address, not only police. And misconduct with systemic racism, and we have got to understand that enough is enough and we this has to stop, and we've got to get to the underlying reasons of why this is happening and we've got it break that chain in terms of systemic racism in every aspect of American life. And Reverend Sharpton the laid out the case. That's one side of the case as we all know, there are two sides, and this will be litigated one of the assertions that made regarding whether the arrest itself was conducted properly was about how Mr was treated. He outlined as I mentioned his view that it was largely Mr Bean cooperative until the end and that during the arrest. They didn't really inform him. That, he was under arrest that may be debated in court. Let's play. We pulled that actual exchange from the camera footage we do have let's take a look. He had about one and a half race, but you. Know? I really don't want to throw a high I think you've had too much to drink to be. About. What did you was important in the DA's presentation about? Both obviously there's the killing itself, but he also went into some great detail about whether this transpired in a lawful manner as an arrest and manner that. Didn't really. Control the situation, but rather seemed eventually escalate. Think eat was very important that he did that. Because as we just watched a video at no point. Did that officer say that you are under arrest? For these reasons, he said I think you had too much to drink any then started handcuffing him well, the reaction from anyone would be will. Why are you handcuffing me? I've not even been arrested. You've not pronounced interested. You've not said what. I'm being arrested for what is the charge? What is the suspicion? You think I've had too much to drink therefore boom. I'M GONNA put handcuffs on you. This is absolutely not only against the law. It is dehumanizing like we can be just handled any kind of way, and you don't even have to worry about the law books or procedures, because we don't matter. That's what this whole movement is about. We do matter. Congresswoman! Yeah and let me just say that that's what our justice and Policing Act. Is addressing. We have to have accountability transparency. We've got to make sure that there's no immunity for police officers as a result of of police murders, and so I think legislatively what you see taking place with the house, and with the Congressional Black Caucus our chairwoman, Bass and our Democrats. We're moving forward to try to make some real systemic changes, not just Reforms, we need to make sure that police officers are held accountable. No one is above the law and as this video shows. That we cannot have a immunity as part of the case that would allow these offices to get off the hook. And Congresswoman while you're here given that we're both covering out of Atlanta and the national implications. There has been of course much attention on what Congress can do. Do, you see these protests as advancing. Potential bill that still of course has to make it through the Senate. What do you see as the update there in in your work? Absolutely I mean. This bill is a great first start and I. Think what you see though and what you're hearing on. The streets of America is that we have to really restructure divest, and we have to put resources on the front end, so that policing in our community is becomes. similar to policing in affluent white communities where the shoot I is not the option. For Public Safety we have to make sure that our community has the proper equal education housing mental health services health services. The quality of life is you every American deserves, and we have to put more resources into those efforts and really stopped funding. The transfer of military weapons for example to local police we have to stop funding these efforts and militarize our police forces. Congresswoman Barbara, Lee and Reverend Al Sharpton I WANNA. Thank you both on it. Clearly a big news night you can catch more Reverend Sharpton on Politics Nation Weekends at five PM. Eastern always right here on MSNBC a lot more as mentioned in tonight's show, including what would happen if these individuals do go ahead and go on trial, DA laying out his case and updates on the other side of the case also Donald Trump's former eight, accusing the president. Trying to get Ukraine's help, but also specifically China to help win reelection, the abuse of power at the heart of the impeach matter and later tonight we have ll cool J., speaking out on many of these issues including police injustice in America I'm remember watching the beat on MSNBC. Breaking news that we've just been getting in fact checking in our newsroom, a key element of this race sharp Brooks case, the lawyer for the officer of Devon Brosnan, is now in a form release that we've just gotten pushing back against what the DA asserted today factually. Now we're going walk through exactly what the claims were. The DA had suggested, and we'll show you. The exact words at the officer was state's witness, which we mentioned at the top of the show seems like a very significant development would testify against the officer who shot and killed Brooks. But. This is what we're getting brand new. To be clear quote Devon is cooperating with the District Attorney's investigation. The lawyer says he's met with the Assistant District Attorney investigator yesterday and answer their questions, but quo and the all caps is in the original statement. He has not agreed to be a state's witness or testify in any court hearing, or to plead guilty to each charge now that of course conflicts with exactly what the DA outlined in today's press conference. Take a look. We have had something quite remarkable to happen in this case, and it involves the testimony of the other officer. David Brosnan because officer Bras Dan has now become a state witness. He has decided to testify on behalf of the state in this case. You hear the words there from our cameras were on of course part of the evidence that he was presenting, but the key claim from the DA that was widely noticed was that an unusual development had occurred, and that basically the DA was asserting the other officer was turned state's witness, and would quote testify as we've just reported. We've just learned. The lawyer says no now. Here's the other thing that said today. He would become one of the first police officers to actually indicate that he is willing to testify against someone in his own department. We're very surprised. Almost shocked that Brogden has come forward because in other cases, we do not get statements to assist us from the. Involved! A lot unfolding right now on this and we'll be joined by mile wildly on this latest story, and what it all means and we're back in thirty seconds. By Wiley Ran New York City Civilian Complaint Review Board. Four police officer alleged misconduct and Oversight Agency and Jim Cavanaugh a longtime ATF agent and analysts for us. Good evening to both of you. There have been many aspects to this and we were discussing just a big deal of the murder. Charge itself at the top of our show, and that is a big deal and rare, but the other asserted rarity that is now clearly widely contested. was what we just walked through the saying. The partner had turned state's witness now. This brand new two page statement released from his lawyer saying again, I just want viewers to have this. Devon is cooperating with the DA's office, but not state's witness, and has not agreed to quote testify in court hearing. Your Analysis Maya. Well given that the officers facing charges, and he's trying to figure out probably wear, and how he has room to maneuver that benefits himself. That's probably part of what's going on here. He wants to be cooperative and see what kind of daily can cut. That's one possibility I don't know whether that's happening, but I think this goes to your other point, which is just how rare is for police officers to agree to testify against other police officers. You know there's a phrase in the New, York City Police. Department that goes better to be to appear before twelve then be carried by six. Which is the implication being? You know you'd rather face the jury. And basically stand by and be with your fellow. Officers at rather than be killed in the line of duty, and it's mentality that unfortunately is so deeply cultural that means that sometimes when cops do wrong and other police officers. No, it's wrong. They still feel it's very difficult for them to believe they should come forward and testify I. Don't know what's happening in this particular case, but it was so serious here in New York that we actually passed a ballot initiative to give civilian oversight authority to charge officers with lying, even if we can't charge the underlying and determine whether the underlying misconduct happened, and that's because of this pattern that we see. Just making sense of this incident and you just referred to the fact that this officer, the partner, the officer who killed Brooks. is facing charges. So he has to figure out how he's going to maneuver that and his lawyers may be in negotiations or not what they're emphasizing here at the end of the statement, which I have not read yet. But. They say this was a rush to misjudgment. Shame on the district attorney for this abusive is charging power shame on the district attorney for not honoring his oath shame on the district attorney again they write for this rush to judgment, so things can change with the language. Here doesn't sound like they're about to cut a deal today. Do you believe based on what is known in the public record? And it's evolving as we as we learn more from everyone, but do you believe that the district attorney may have thought he had more of an agreement than he did, and that's why he said State's witness. It certainly sounds like. He thought he had more urban agreement than he did based on his press conference. Frankly you know lawyers don't make those kinds of. Statements frivolously. He heard something that led him to believe that from the other attorney, so whether or not there was a change in strategy between those conversations or a miscommunication We can't say, but that's certainly is very strong. Wording from from a district attorney and I don't think he would have made that statement frivolously and particularly when he makes the point rightly so that this is very unusual I think something changed. I think that's probably what happened. But I. Just have to say like the district attorney absolutely did what the public needed him to do. which was to demonstrate the police officers were going to be held accountable for their conduct, and in this pace conduct ten witnesses I think there were eight separate videos that the district attorney had watched so there's no question that this was a a thoughtful process, even if it was a fast process. You mentioned the and at times the conviction with which he spoke Jim here. He was discussing this aspect of it which the officers lawyer now contests. We have had something quite remarkable to happen in this case, and it involves the testimony of the other officer Devon, Brosnan, because officer. Brogden has now become a state witness decided to testify on behalf of the state in this case. Jim Your. Yeah. There's definitely a miscommunication here and. I think the DA is done a good job here. He's come out fast like Maya, said I agree with that problem and a lot of these cases. It's not the main problem. The main problem is that we got cops, murder and people, and then kicking them when their down and wounded. Vulgar, it's unbelievable. That's the main problem, but the second problem is justice delayed. Justice denied and we've got a murder on videotape like Maya set and. I've investigated many things. She has as well if I came into her. When she was an assistant, he was turning. It said I've got the crime all on videotape. You know we would proceed, we would say it's here so I think this officer the second officer. WHO's not culpable homicide, but aggravated assault on videotape. You know we'll get with his lawyer. And he's got an uphill slog and likely he might decide to cooperate and testify, so we do have. Worn out already that you know it's rare. The DA pointed out, but in the end in the end the prosecutors hold the power, and they forced the officers to testify, even though the reluctant. In the liquidity McDonald's case Chicago. They testified against their colleague. In the Freddie Gray case testified against other officers in the Ray Tensing Ohio case stated did all these cases to prosecutors hold the power. And when they have the proof, they can take officers who are lesser involved, and they can force the testimony, so there is a thin wall of silence. True Blue all silence. Sometimes it's over height in Hollywood and so forth, but here's just finished with this thought look every law enforcement officer in America, every cop one for thirty six years uniform cop federal agent. You need to have a discussion with your partner. Before you go out on the shift, and you need to be trained in this and you need to do it. You say look. I'M NOT GONNA lose my career. My Life I'm not going to prison for you, I'm not gonNA. Lose my home and my family for you. I am not going to lie for you. I will back you up. I will take a bullet. I will do everything, but I'm not lying for you, and I only expect utilized for me. Let's get that straight. Let's get that straight right now before we start to shift and forever more that we worked together. Let's start there and let's get these racist and bully. Corrupt cops out and I'm GonNa tell you what if it's not approved that? This cop was racist cop or a bully cop when he went over and did a haymaker. Kick in the Mr Brooks. I mean he just. He just did the final argument for the DA and It's going to be a tough case. Appeal for that officer landed that kick. Interesting to hear you say that Jim Cavanaugh, and as you mentioned, that was some of the evidence that pointed to today much of it still sands and builds the case, but it's fast moving with some of this now. Being debated out in public. Jim Cavanaugh my widely. Thank you so much. Both of you for your insights. We have a lot more than the show including up next guest with a pretty unique perspective on police reform, a civil rights lawyer who got his degree. After he was wrongfully imprisoned for up to a decade also that I another big story back in Washington reaction, pouring in John Bolton making new damning accusations against president, trump and later tonight. Before we go, you will hear from the one and only ll cool J. Live on the beach, talking justice and culture. As. This national conversation and debate unfold STA larger. Question is what would be the future of these cases against the police. If things do continue to change, we have a special guest to get into that right now. The breaking news has been this Atlanta officer indicted for the murder Reyshahri books on Friday night, Rashard Brooks. We should note though that. In general such type of police, charges and convictions are rare. In the last fifteen years about one hundred ten officers have been charged total five convicted of murder. The wider reckoning comes as members of both parties are now admitting something should change, and the evidence for that is that both parties have some kind of police reform plan. On show colds Democrats proposing a full ban Republicans. Say that can still be used. If deadly force is authorized a no knock warrants which have been controversial in cases that have resulted in clearly murderers of people who are not even suspects killings of people who are not suspects, Democrats have a full ban Republicans allow them report it, and then this big issue. We've covered of qualified immunity. Can you take police accord easily or not? Democrats reforming it? Republicans don't even address it in their federal. Bill Officer Misconduct Democrats proposing a full Federal Register Republicans, saying the data collection on use of force. And on these larger questions of how do you deal with and defined structural Racism Democrats Want Explicit Training on racial bias Republicans are proposing direct training rather a commission to study the issue. Those are just some of the big questions. We want to get into right now. With Jared Adams, a civil rights attorney. Who went to law school only after he served nine years for a conviction that was ultimately overturned back with us is Mile Wiley. Jared you have been working on these issues for a long time and you've lived through them as mentioned. What are you thinking about tonight as you look over this landscape? Thank you for having me on Ari, and if you remember it wasn't long ago, where you have me on what we were discussing, the Quality Donald case, and that was the viewers who are watching where the young man was pretty, he was assassinated. By the police recorded. The officers found guilty, but he receives a seven year sentence, so we're not even past ad and here we are again with two more cases, and what I would now is. Is this incident? We continue to try to change the faucet. Will we so desperately need to tear up the floor and fix the pipes? That's what we're doing right now. With these conversations that we're having people are losing their lives. Look for black men and black people in general. This is the same movie we're in the same see. We got the same drink and same popcorn expecting the same outcome, which is the the sentence not to if he is convicted. Liar Yes I really think the important thing here is exactly. That is tearing up the floor and fixing the pipes. Here's the thing that's so important about Congress is trying to do. It's trying to say one. You have to know the what what you're supposed to do. That makes it okay. Right be much more specific about what so can not make it more fair and more like the rest of us in terms of having to comply with the law, so make the standards for deciding whether an officer has done right or wrong more like what the rest of us have to deal within the law in terms of whether we are doing right or wrong. That's make it a little easier to sue. Make it easier to hold them accountable when they do wrong. And the third is you know exactly this point about what are police officers supposed to be doing I think that's a big pipe that the federal government is touching on with implicit bias training. It's touching on with the esscalation. The reality is it's got to get a lot. Deeper and deeper has to go a lot more local and what I mean by. That is transforming what we even mean by what the police should be doing, because whether it was Eric Garner selling loose cigarettes. that we treated as a crime and he was being arrested or Ray. Chard Brooks who was in a car. Apparently intoxicated. Just needed to be just needed to get home safely. He could have been handed a summons. For for responding to to driving under the influence if that's what was happening, none of those things required arrest and less. We're getting at what we're even arresting people for. We're not actually going to get. Enough into making the public safe particularly if you're black and Latino. Turner I wanted to say this to as well because I've talked to a number of different people today about this and you know some of my colleagues challenge me on this and they're like well, look. Why why are they fighting? Why this? Why that? Let me let me try to wrap this for people who are having trouble. Understanding this in the African American community, we don't deal with post traumatic stress. It is persistent because nothing has ever stopped in being healed at all. These interactions that these black men are haven't with these police officers day are in fear for their lives. This wail so they're run. They fight and you're trying to get away just just as as was just stated. I've had none of number of clients. Tell me that not too long ago that they would have a father driven home by the police and dropped off and his car to his wife, and not taking jail. It didn't result in death, and so you know it's okay for Congress to start talking about this and what they wanna do, but they chant start Ari without. Without making sure that there is an independent body to evaluate these claims. You can't ask the police to investigate themselves. You can't ask the prosecutors to do it because that relationship is too closely. Mindy together the only other relationship Ari that is that close is a doctor and a nurse. I can't be any other occupation where two people working hand in hand like that. And that's something we saw in some of these cases both Minnesota and Atlanta. depressure on the officers in everyone to defend the act regardless of what the act was and the DA has to turn around and work with those officers the next day on all the other cases. And that as you say is one of the structural reforms that has not been instituted most the country that would make a difference. Jared Adams Mile Wiley on. Thank you both for you. Important insight site. We'll see you both again, but if it in a break until you, we have a lot more. Yes, sir, we have a lot more in tonight's show wanted only ll cool. J. is on later in the hour. He has a new rap about George Floyd and why he's using his voices platform and his music to address injustice. Before we get to that right after the break the other big story. We haven't hit yet this hour John Bolton's bombshell. Alleging trump colluding with China. For reelection. New and many say quite. Really just impeachable accusations about Donald trump trying to get foreign help for the twenty twenty election. We all remember that is what he was impeached for. This is from an upcoming book by former Nash Cruiser John Bolton claim, sparking outrage aimed at trump boldin. Who Refuse to testify about these claims during the impeachment process as many remember now Bolton writing that was a meeting the Donald. Trump had with the Chinese president of quote. Trump stunningly turned the conversation to the coming US presidential election, alluding to China's economic capability and pleading with G to ensure he'd win. He stressed the importance of farmers and increase Chinese purchases of soybeans and wheat in the electoral outcome. Bohlen also writing the trump told Turkey's president that he'd interfere in a criminal investigation, saying quote, trump told John he would take care of things explaining that the southern district prosecutors were not his people, but we're Obama people and describing as a quote problem that would be fixed when they replaced by his people now Bolton, asserting that he related concerns about all of this to attorney, General Bar and White House counsel, Patsy Baloney, he also refused to voluntarily come forward and testify. About this during the impeachment trial and that is. I should say prompted this reaction from a house impeachment manager today. Curious to me that now he has something to say. When he could have stepped forward as a Patriot when the stakes were high, and the president was on trial, and he ran and hid in the other direction. The. Trump administration for its part is arguing that a lot of what's in his book is not fit under law to be public. They're trying to block the books release, but as we're seeing key details coming out from reporting by newspapers and NBC obtaining the book. WE'RE GONNA fit in a break when we come back something very special at the end of our here grammy winner, Ll Cool J., speaking out about police brutality and the death of George Floyd. Here next. been tracking today's breaking news and excellent, a police officer who shot and killed Hr Brooks now charged with felony murder and ten other counts news comes amid these broader calls of course for police reform from activists from people protesting in marches, and on the streets to lawmakers in DC we heard from one tonight, but there's also a wider conversation that just shows how big this is well outside of people who pay close attention to these issues, politics or news consider all the cultural figures that have been weighing in Atlanta Hawks. Head coach, Lloyd, Pierce joined the protest was a big deal. He was on the beat earlier this week or Dave Chapelle. Rushing out effectively another comedy special that was also more than comedy, raw, emotional, eight, forty six about the Floyd Kelly. and Top rap artists like Jay Cole or Atlanta's zone, little baby, who've been weighing in with their perspectives and supporting the protests, addressing racism and police brutality in their work. These are the signs of of course, a wider movement artists using their platform, their Mike's their influence to push out messages to address social justice and to revisit. Many Times things they've been saying for a long time hip hop trailblazer, ll Cool J., no stranger to any of this. He recently delivered a powerful black lives matter free style that spread online. That was just in the days following George Floyd's death before everyone knew what else was going to come. He's been returning to his roots as a top artist from HIP hops golden era. He came of age with other social justice rappers. We may remember like Chuck, D Care as one two time, Grammy Award winner American icon Ll Cool J. joins me now. Welcome to the beat Sir. Committed they swam. Or good. Great to? Have you debut on the show like many I'm a fan. I started of course with the with the serious news We arranged join before we knew what would happen this afternoon. Your reaction to the DA's announcement of murder charge. I think it's the right thing. I think that. You know we are going to have to. Really dig deeper into this idea of implicit bias, and how that affects people's decision making a You know this this idea that people. Automatically are afraid I think if you're if you're a person who? Is Fearful of you shouldn't be policing a community that makes you fearful. because. That's not a healthy mindset to have when you're to protect you know because the last time I checked. Protecting people and being afraid doesn't seem like a good combination. I think being vigilant is one thing, but I think fears is a whole other thing and i. think that you know look. I think that the world we have a righteous, and just 'cause. We have a righteous beef. The world knows that. They watch that man. Get murdered and they watched it happen over the course of eight minutes and forty six seconds, and this was the first time that it wasn't debatable. It was no debate. There was no splitting hairs. There was no well maybe he reached for the TASERS. Maybe he didn't. There wasn't a well, maybe he kind of leaned to the left a little quickly. Now you saw what happened. So that's why and what we've also found out from. This is that the globe in general people are inherently good. For the most part you know when you look at those protests and you look at the people on the front lines out there. They all hues, all ethnicities, all races, all genders. Don't get me wrong. Black Labs lutely matter, but the fact that there are so many people supporting this movement just showed you that that we truly do have the moral high ground, and this is something that is real. The people in the whole world is responding, I think. It, for the most part on the right side of history other than a few you know. Racists who are they going to be you to the end? Anyway, so you know. It's going right directly. I think we're one step closer to solving the problem. Was Interesting to hear you contrast that what you're saying is wrong with the system, but what you see is the uplift the light perhaps. In people coming together. We mentioned the top and I want to play for viewers to see and hear your your work on Floyd. Because as with so many issues, as it spreads and builds more people are aware of it. But that starts somewhere, and it starts as you mentioned with the activists and protesters. People who made this, so people couldn't ignore it. As well as ours other storytellers right who are using their platform, so let's listen a little bit. This was right afterward to what you posted online about George. Floyd here we go. Okay! Cried for his Mama as the murder unfold. If it wasn't for, the phone would be at home. Feel justified because George Skin tone I'm telling you melanie. You're not alone. The new Malcolm Martin and Marcus is a now grown. And you look you look really upset their. Walk us through what you were getting across how you were feeling. Came from hot tossed and turned on night. Getting sleep in just got out of the big from not I didn't wake up, but just actually still got out of the bed at seven in the morning, wide awake, and was inspired, and wrote that he know about thirty or forty minutes, and just setting. You know directly you know into my phone. You know what I'm saying. It came from the heart. It comes from a place of like look. Enough is enough. You know. Let's stop splitting hairs in an utilizing these double standards hide, racism. Because that's all it is. You know there's an old is all saying you know. Power take, says ingratitude the writhing of its victims. I said power takes as ingratitude, the writhing of its victims in other words. I put my foot. I put my foot on your throat or on your neck, and you disrespect me when you bleed on my shoot. You see what I'm saying and that's what we've been dealing with a long time. This idea that you know. The laws for everybody else. This idea that the rules of everybody else. You know that's a that's something that had to change and I. think that now many many people joined in, and they realize how important it is for US society because you gotta understand something, I wouldn't care if the Dow Jones was at one hundred thousand and everybody was doing amazing. When the morale of the country is as low as it is right now, that's not a good low to have a zillion dollars and be depressed. What if somebody said you can have all the money in the world, but you'll never be happy again. Yeah, some people would sacrifice for the kids and children, but think about what if it was, you can have all the money in the world, but your family will never be happy again. Amick that we're dealing with right now. We have peanut elting. It's. You know it's it's deep before I lose you because only have ninety seconds. I WANNA play. We did dig up the old. El Al talking about how you were presenting something that people around America get behind within a society with its history of racism. Take a look at classic El. White Corporate America. Who Right now is looking at the rap on television or the guy with the baseball hat? You know the guy with the shiny gold watch. Who uses the slang on his records? You do not. Have to be afraid of me. I am merely trying to participate. In capitalism and participate in this world. Apologies I have thirty seconds. But why was it important you to navigate? 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Yeah I'm sure a Lamborghini he's got a little more input on it now than anything Because I don't know where else it is other than in the are eight ride so I it's actually an interesting question is at this point. How many are rates are being sold versus Lamborghinis and I be curious to know? Sales are wildly different or or or similar. That's an interesting question because a few years ago obviously would've said Ra Audi. But I feel like I see more lamborghinis and less audis so or more enemies and less audis then the show that's on I'm watching has mark Ruffalo and reese witherspoon in it. And she's playing her own ghost. I don't Her bodies in a hospital bed and she's standing over her body and talking to mark Ruffalo. That's all I know about this. Show that is. You should be watching driven Like well first off. I watched a bose. Oh God damn it. I'm trying to think that so. I watch Bos New TV show is GONNA join US Bo Bachman about fifteen minutes. We'll talk about driven. Did Watch driven. I did enjoy driven and Raven the stallone movie and they're driven by Bachmann series. And then there's also f one drive to survive. I think it's called. I don't know what that series is on net flicks. I watch it every night. I just don't that it's called like f. One drive or driven to survive or drive to survive. Yeah you like that show. I haven't watched it yet. It's in my queue. You really should. It's it's done the thing that's interesting about it as I was looking at it is it's done by the documentarian who did amy Which is the amy. What's her name story Oh come on Max Batu. Who's a Amy Weintrob as it Weintraub Mine House? Wine has amy wine house so so it's done by Formula One drive to survive right. It's really good. And it's done by the producers. Did Amy and law I. I don't know some other dock that has nothing to do with cars Produced and directed so the point is is it has a lot of great story in it. It's not just car stuff. The car stuff is is excellent. But it's Kinda like a soap opera. Another soap opera. But it's like this driver drove for McLaren and now he's going to Renault. Will he be able to the people at McLaren or gunning for him and the Renault guys are excited about the new young Bach? But then there's the old cagey veteran driver. Will he a ride next year? Well not if he does. Put It on the podium at the New Zealand f one race and there's just a lot of that you know like like you realize it's just a great stage for drama so the people that do it who does do it. Let's see Oh exit through the Gift Shop. Right and Let's see all. Let's see Amy Right so the point is is. They did exit through the gift shop and they did amy which are two very critically acclaimed documentaries that have nothing to do with driving and they senate to incent a had a lot of that in it. The the reason people gravitated towards Senna and in even uppity for that matter. So there's a lot of story other than car yet. That's in it and so you would like the F one series on Netflix. But your girlfriend would like it too because it's just a kind of this story about these guys you know. It's like so much competition. And they show the team owners and you know the the eccentric guy who owns the energy drink company. Who's pledged thirty five million and now they're losing and they're pulling their money out and all by the way the thing you really get from. Most all of this stuff is it's like team members crashing into each other a lot like and and lots of like most all of it is just like they show the team and it's like McLaren is pumped and or Haass's pumped not that not Carl Haas but Other Haas There's an f. one hoss and like the guys pumped and be like we're GonNa get our first top ten win first things first. You realize that and I know this too. I mean it's you don't understand it when you watch movies or even when you watch TV. But I mean it's like some of these guy a fifth-place finish is huge for them. It's they're not thinking about winning the race. They're not thinking about a podium literally can come in fourth or fifth. That's a huge. That's huge for their teeth right. Yeah One Because they're not going to beat Mercedes and they're not gonNA be Farrar. What if they can beat McLaren? This is huge. You know so. They'll have like it'll be that you start to realize that. Yeah not. Everything's about first place. There's a lot of life were fifth-place is pretty good too. And and then at some point when there there's a happened half left in the race. The two teammates or crash into each other going into the third turn guys will be like no so much. So much of this shit is the guy's cruising he's GonNa get a fifth-place finish it's GonNa get points. It's going to be great and at the very end. He just tries some move on lapped traffic or something and the guy doesn't see him and it just breaks the front wing off gets a flat. It gets a puncture in his drivers. Like Shit Shit Shit in the team guys like no you realize that those cars are so God damned fragile all the front wings and everything and these guys dive in and they tried. These crazy moves all the time and the guy stays online hits Fox the CAR UP. They get a tire puncture. And there's two laps left the race and they were laughing traffic like there's just so much there's so much of that there's so much of like guys just try and moves on the first lap and just getting out of the race completely. Yeah I don't know how you know how you coach that like these guys are all like super hard charging young stallions but so much so that they fucking crash into their own teammates all the time like could you imagine paying for that team and both your cars were taken out by one of your cars. Of course you you'd be pissed because now you're doubling expenses like you're at the end of the race. There's somebody takes you out not your fault or something happens and you you know you slide off. You've damaged your car. But why take out the other multi-million Dr Car on your team in the process you'd be you'd be passed and and you kind of thing l. If something happens at the beginning of the race in your out maybe you're saving money but you're not really because your team is still there the expansionist still there and your sponsors. Don't get any screen time if you're out on lap two so their pants right so you're right you know you're talking about a team that is just kicking and screaming just to get a fifth place position that's there you want that because that's high enough of the ranks that you're gonNA get some screen time and and the sponsors like they're getting something out of the deal the movie. I think I'm watching is just like heaven which has mark Ruffalo and what's her name and he's I guess I guess Reese Witherspoon. It's like his wife. Who's on a ventilator? Who's watching him now? There's the scene where the hot chick is over at his house and he's trying to Banger. But of course wife's ghost comes back. I don't know probably didn't need to see this one but anyway don't talk show and his new shows really interesting. He took shelby's or took this test mule pan. Tara that shelby was working on with Lee IACOCCA and he He's got a twin turbo. In a gale banks was on this Episodes got like a NASCAR I don't know three sixty one chrysler motor in it. I guess IACOCCA was over with Chrysler. The town yeah. Yeah working on the Viper Project at the time. But it'll be be interesting because I I don't know there was. There was some indication of possibly that test. Could've could've had like a Viper v? Ten in it at some point which. I don't know what it does to that car. That's a big heavy lug when when the ten originally came out in the Viper. Believe it was all I R- Was NO ALUMINUM. Block but iron-heads iron-heads too. Yeah Yeah I think. Oh Wow is big heavy lug yeah I remember I remember iron-heads sounds about right. Well I just remember. It was like a truck engine or something. Yeah Yeah and four hundred horsepower at the time which seemed good but you know over over the life of of the Viper when from four hundred horsepower to lighter weight and I don't know six hundred something for star. Well it's interesting that the I've always liked the pan. Tara and the Pant Era Pandera one of the original cool exhaust cars in a world where everyone has cool exhaust now. The Pan Tara was like one of the original big quad exhaust. Like my friend. You know you think about those moves that sound like crazy rich. Whatever my friend Todd oiler? His Dad was an attorney and his dad. Conley was the head of the California bar for a while and I remember he drove like Bronco or he had any had a Pan Tara in his garage. And it's it's funny. He they just lived in kind of a nice medium size ranch house in the valley but it was a nice medium size ranch house and there was a and there was a pick and there was and there was this pan terra that was in the garage and I remember going like. Oh my God. Your Dad has a pen. Terra cars meant you know back then. My kids don't fucking know who's driving. What and they don't give a shit but for us. It was a big deal and he remembered todd was like Yeah they My Dad is the lawyer for you. Know Galp in or the lawyer for a it was like whatever Felix Ford in downtown. La Or something so they just give them a car they like. Give them a car to drive around for a year and then he swaps it out for the other car. Whatever like in lieu of payment or something like that and I was just like. Oh my God yeah gets a free PENN TERRA PAN terra. Like I couldn't wrap you know my dad is like a substitute schoolteacher over VW bug. I was like Oh my God. It freaked me out like I couldn't. I didn't think you could get any richer than somebody giving you. A Free Pan Tara drive around for yeah and it was white and it was a cool piece because it was like it. It had the It's such a cool euro interior with the gated shifts and it had a lot of really cool things going for it. I just don't think it ever worked that. Well like no and as a sleek looking as it is. I don't know that it was aero dynamically superior. I think it actually had a lot of lift to it. I just you know I sat up very high. There was no real like did you know real just got a lot of air going underneath it and not much in the way of like front air downside skirts and manage the under-car air so I don't know how how it cool car you know certainly very cool but yeah I don't You know the way. I kinda judge. A car is how many racing versions of this car were there. And how successful were they? And if you look for racing panned Tara's you will see a handful of out there on rare occasion but they just never did well and so if you think about a car. The car is kind of like it's kind of like a big block of clay. Like how can you mold it? How can you a race car? How can you make this thing and your race car? So if you take a car like a Cortina or five ten or Mustang or at a Z CAR DOTSON Z. Car You go. Oh God does won so many races. They won so many races. And you go okay. Then that means it's a good platform. Yeah it's it's not a stock Z. Car winning any races. But you know when you breathe on it it turns into a great race car obviously Porsche nine. Eleven that's a good platform. They won ten million races. When you look at other cars and you go. That cars never won any races and people tried doing a version of it. It just didn't work then. You know that the platform is not that great. Yeah that's kind of my take all right well beyond in a second. 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On discovery premiered This Week Haibo was. Oh Hey congratulations driven. A really enjoyed it. I watched it last On Monday night and I thought you did a fantastic job. Well we'll thank you so much. It means the world to me. Well I thought I was watching it as like. Hey Bo is doing a really kick ass job hosting this show? I thought the same thing I watched it I've watched it yesterday. And that's one of the things that stood out as I love what was going on. Love the car that you guys introduced for episode wine And and the format of the show going a little docu series doing little flash back to some of the series but I was like. Hey both really good both really good at this character marshalls pay it off for thirty years. Thank you matt and see. That means the world for you guys. 'cause your opinion matters to me as true car enthusiasts and and people that love cars and you know we see each other and all the events and everything like that so we're trying to get where real card busiest has something interesting to watch and at the same time. Have something where you know. Maybe they're watching their family and their kids don't know as much but the kids would enjoy and people aren't total cardis like us might also enjoy his wealth. We're conducting you balance those two things. How does how does something like this? Come up how does he you start with this? You've done. You know you did pimp my ride. You've done some shows in the past but you've got a huge operation a day job that's going on not to mention opening a new porsche dealer in Santa Rita which I think is open for a few days now. I'm not sure how Thailand Corona virus but at and then you decide to do another show so I'm sorry what then decided to another. Tv show is well during the process. Well we've been working on this for a long time. We stopped doing pimp my ride and Gosh what was that. Oh nine and ever since I always figured there might be an opportunity. And we've not all these crazy cars that we've been working on and quite frankly some fun and interesting things that have been going on so when we met with the Shaun Boyle from discovery talent. Kinda just threw out some ideas that we had. We kinda all left on this idea of kind of doing something. That's different and I've done a few episodes of cars built America documentaries and I thought you know what we bring in. We thought that historical aspect as well as the build. And it's not about the fights in the drama and all of that it's about the cars than history and really bringing the light as some of the history and the people that have been overlooked and forgotten and some of the stories that haven't been told yet so that's the kind of drove us to To do it the way that we're doing it and know hopefully people will will enjoy it and have a takeaway. We want to hopefully bring back car culture to some people that might not have ever had it or that might have lost in breaks kids into it. We want to kids in the car culture. Well I just did a documentary on Carroll Shelby and I didn't know anything about the Pan Tara so like you're never too old to learn something I thought and I also liked and I'm GonNa ask you where you've got that Pan Tara because I don't remember seeing that thing at at an auction or I can't recall if we saw matt night. Keep track of this stuff but I also I appreciate you telling the price that you paid for the panthers and the price that you paid for the engine. The engine was seventy five hundred bucks or something. Something like that I like that because I don't like when people do this stuff. And kinda dance around the price of things like if you watch Wayne Carini show. And he's looking at the tag out in the garage with the old and you'd never find out what the what they negotiated or what the price was and I know. People are weird about that but as a viewer. It's it's kind of a big part of it. Yeah I get a little uncomfortable with it myself and that was a bit of an awkward moment because there's a lot of money to pay for a car with no engine. It is kind of silly. What he kinda look at the overall. Thank and oddly when I was buying that car and it was at an auction by the way I was thinking about the story in in some ways I was kind of buying more than the car itself. I was buying the opportunity to tell the story because I started digging into it a little bit and it actually was an option. It was where they sold kind of quietly several of Carol's personal cars so there was about seven or eight cars. I WANNA say it was sold at that time. And that was in there and they didn't make a really a big deal about it so of course. I didn't at the time either. Because you know I wanted to get the car and ever since we got it we had been working on finding that answer and that was That took Nearly a year and a half two years trying to think that out and actually get it to where we found it that Dick's toiling so It was it was quite an and look the timing all worked out because doing the show. It took a while to get things up and running in that time. We're able to kind of find that engine connects. Get that circle down to where it was so it was a passion project but yeah throwing out the dollars. It can be a little uncomfortable sometimes to be honest nation. I'm sorry did you get it at it was at Bonhams in it was on the east coast. I wasn't I was actually on the phone right but it wasn't actually there it was. I don't know what it was. What the graphics at two hundred seventy one thousand dollars or some listen right. Eh. Well it's already air. Yeah I think it was two thirty five to thirty five a lot of money no matter how you look at it man. It's it's unfortunate but I thought you would be there with the car. The story you know. I don't know how easy it is going to be sell to sell this boat not that we're looking to sell it the small but You know it's A. It's a magnificent automobile that I still be something. That is part of automotive history so I see no much about the car before you bought it now obviously the TV show and probably making a lot of phone calls looking for the engine. You learn a lot about it but did you know about the car I or you saw at an auction or and said that's a cool piece. I love learn more but I've got two days to buy it what you like. The typical auction format. Yeah it was a The definitely described what it was In the auction catalogue that it was this project that was done you know supposedly as a testbed for the Dodge Viper. But you know there's a lot of things that get thrown out that you want to verify just because they say it in auction doesn't mean that it's true so you're exactly right when we got it. We started calling shelby and our friends over there for getting more and more Eric's occasion but the number one verification. A definitely came from gale banks the fact that he actually worked on the car back in eighty seven that he and Carol partner on this thing to work on it With Lee IACOCCA. And Actually Bob was involved later as well But he won on the V ten argument so but anyway when you when you hear it from Gail and you hear him tell the story of how this was the granddaddy of the Viper to me that made it especially real because it's one thing to hear stories or to hear people say oh. Yeah I've heard of this or that it's another to have a guy who actually did it confirm it it again. We like to bring back the people that rigidly worked on the cars that we at all can help us again with the restorations to make it as authentic as possible. And that's what Gail draw in. Just you know his he really made it legitimate in my mind so many ways and he's he's just the best we love. Gale banks seen I I just love that guy. He's such a he's he has. This great sorta sweetness in this passion and this crazy precision yell wrapped up into one. But you don't normally get the precision and the sweet side and the passion. You know you kinda get one or the other. The most amazing thing would be to be able to document everything that's in his head. You know automotive wise and you could just never get to no matter how many podcasts or TV shows are things that we we invite them onto. There's always a great story. It's never the same and I know we're just scratching the surface were one or two percent into what that guy knows at or has experienced. Well that's exactly right. We have So few of you know the legends. That are still around that we can ask questions and talk to the guys that were really there. I mean we all knew everybody from being friends and everything but these guys actually worked together and we're working on cars back in the sixties seventies and eighties and You know it's just when we had those treasures the more that we can get out of. Today's better I agree I'm you know in the midst of putting. Together a Datsun. Five ten. That's a B- Ari. Car was there last B. R. E. Five ten and we all love P Pete Brock of course and and it's and it's funny I. I literally have conversation earlier today like an hour ago and sharing it with Matt. I'll share it with you so if you know if you feel bad about spending two hundred twenty five twenty six thousand dollars for panther with no engine. I spent two hundred twenty five thousand dollars for five ten with no engine just a shell. It was basically it was basically a a unibody with a roll cage in a box of parts. Yeah like the biggest loser in your high school drove a five tad take it. So we're thinking for big deal but oh my God at least you got a fucking Pan. Terra. I gotTa Wrangler with no engine. It showed up on a rotisserie wasn't even a roller sane. It's insane but Obviously beating that car though. That's why you got it. It's not about the the body. It's not about the fact that it's got the stories. There's only one of that core. There's no to replace it with. No there's there is there's like four. I think there's maybe four B. R. E. Five ten on the planet and Nissan Motor. Sports owns one and I on the other and now I own. The third and a fourth is like a car. It's not a road it's not. It's not a street. It's not a road racing. Karts got not a lift kit on it so like out of the. I don't know I guess out of the four three. I guess out of the four road racing Beeri five ten that were built three of them exist and I have two of them so I'm into it but I did. I mess that up. I get that right Matt. Yeah that's right so the the the conversation I had with my guy today. Who's been working on the car is I said what's going on. And he said I'm getting ready to weld on some brackets on the shock towers to do a a bar over the yen. Dude like a strut tower. Brace right strategy our brace and I said and he said your other B. R. E. Car has that this one doesn't so I'm GonNa put it on and I said no don't do it. Don't do it. He's like and we had a conversation earlier in the week. He's like. Do you want to beef up the roll bar? 'cause it's a really light roll bar and it doesn't have any impact on the passenger sector anything. I'm like no don't do it. Don't touch it. And then he's like okay but we wanNA resprayed the roll bar right like I don't think so. Just click clean it up and put a clear over it because it's it's just as it was. I I said I said Sean. Here's the problem if you weld on those tabs on the shock towers and put the shock tower engine over brace on their than a hundred years from now when people are looking at the car and trying to figure out which one it is. They're going to go well. This one didn't have the brace and this one did have the abrasive. We add the brace. It's GonNa fuck everyone up so do it. Yes and that's the spirit that were in his. Well it's only original wants right and those those fingerprints you don't want to erase and even when we restore things we WANNA do it in the right way. Quite frankly today if something was original white have a difficult time restoring but what I love is when a car's been restored like in the eighties and just done all on and the correct. You know those mistakes but you know the point of what you're saying is so true that's how it was built and you've got to leave it the way that it was for his history's purposes. Like like you know. We're all just you know. We don't own these cars for their life. We own for a period of time. We're stewards of these automobiles and we hold onto until the next owner has them so we WANNA make sure. We preserve the history of each individual car. So I couldn't agree with you more. I think you're doing exactly the right thing in recent thing. You Might WanNa little strengthen the rule that's different. That's what we're we're GONNA get to as is along with. This came the decision of of of not to race. It you know you've got other cars and you have to do something different with this car. Show this car. Keep the collection. Bring it out to some of the events. We'd love to display all of the B. R. E. Cars that he has at some point Maybe something themed that way when when they're done but this probably won't be raised and that was a decision atom. I think you had to make to keep the authenticity of this car. Because I I don't even know they're gonNa let it on the track. I mean. Yeah sure there are some some rules as to safety and performance that That that apply but In some of the racing now because the rules are getting a little lax. You know things like breaking and fuel cells like it wouldn't be competitive. It was as much if it was completely original. And you try to raise it with the other five ten at a racing right now so you keep it the way it is. I think I I literally Shannon I. The SAME SEAN. Just went on this long bow will enjoy the story like. I have Paul Newman's seventy four Porsche. Nine eleven that he drove it. C- bring me and Find a picture of it and and put it up. You'll enjoy it was from Beverly Hills Porsche Audi kind of livery and this had like pink and black on it like it's a crazy seventies car you know and looking at pictures of it and I was like the tail was different. It wasn't just a regular whale tail that everyone else ran. It was a different kind of a tail and bow. Can see that Karna. It's a totally cool seventies piece right but if you look at the tail as Newman ran it it C- bring in one thousand nine hundred seventy seven. It's different than the tail. That's on the car right now. And you'll find it Chris. You'll find that just original. See Bring picture the car but I was like I so sean and I were like. What is this tale? And it's like well. It looks like they kind of made it themselves like they took a regular tail and they cut it down and put these little side. Canard's on it on the top of the quarter panel rear fenders Baba Blah and so I found myself two days ago like looking through the old put pictures and and go it went from Newman to bowl winkle racing find a shot of the back of the Kearns at. Oh Yeah you could see it. They're like you could now. You can see that how the tail worked. Let's see Max a paddle find a at there. It is sorry. Yeah if you look at the picture of it on the track With another Porsche. Racing at sea bring in nineteen seventy seven. You can see and I don't know if you can enlarge on that Chris you could see. The tail has for lack of better term side skirts on it just to the rear bumper. Christine that before I am well too bad. We're hoping somebody has seen. Sean was like people like you think it were irked. And I'm like well. I don't think it worked because nobody else did it eventually. Somebody else would have fucking. There's enough racing are. Sr porsches out there. Every time I go to Laguna Seca. There's nine of those cars in my race. I've never seen anyone added Canard's to the side so ever Bentley. It probably didn't work well. It looked cool. And it's how he ran it. It's bring in seventy seven so you can see there's a porsche above it. That doesn't have it as initial and then you see. They've added these sort of triangle. So we're taking out magnifying glasses. Were Dot of the back of the car. Like do you think it wrapped around it was attached to the fenders. They must've just mocked those up. Do you think they're Menam? Do you think they're fiberglass? Like what are we GONNA do? And so like. We're sitting there looking at the car measuring shed like we gotta cut down and add things and you've got a mock these things up and it's like the why well because that's what it looked like when. Newman raced it at sea. Bring in seventy seven and that's the car right by wake and see whether it looks like it's got a little angle in as well. Yeah I can go back. Yeah it looks like it goes back and maybe looks like he goes in and out but it's hard to see from this angle and you're right. The point is that you're a storing like you could pick any period of time to restore it to we could beat when it came out of the factory or any other livery time but for you. I agree the most important time in this cars. Life isn't Paul Newman. Had it raced like this so this is what you want to bring it back to exactly and I read. GotTa try to find every picture to study that thing and you know that that's what I love about day you know he's six pictures and extrapolate from that would look like fifty years ago and you know some of these like you said it's so subtle. It's hard to tell exactly what those pickings if you told me one. C. Bring Vicky came in like thirty third place. Thanks Canard's were healthy. I don't know doesn't work. Porsche would be using it today. Yeah maybe they're not gonNa let something go like that too but but I love that you want to slow down your race. Do I do well Dick. No I was literally looking at it and so I went on this search on the Internet. Like Porsche Ara SARS. One thousand nine hundred seventy four. I saw ten thousand images. I didn't see anyone with these Canard's I saw everyone with the whale tail and then I started looking at guys who I race with Laguna Seca a Lotta. Rs are porsches and nine. Thirty four zero nine thirty four and a half and like all these different variations. Porsches hotchkiss brothers have our Sr. That's a cool winds livery. That's out there. An every single one of them is just a whale tail. It's all the TRAE sticking out and I'm like is this the only one that was done this way. Why was it done this way but so be it? That's how it was done so we must replicate that and then I went. Well obviously it slows you down a little bit very well fuck it. I'm doing it anyway. Awesome. It's the right way right. So now I'm going to figure out a way to fabricate this but I love the fact that in a in a world where there's tons of these porsches out there. This is the only one with this kind of rear tail on it that I've ever seen so I I'm with you and I'm also it makes me realize that you know we sort of half to do this stuff because I don't know in the future. Everything is so incredibly documented. You know if you if you if you look at a ring brother's car that's built now or gas car built galp an auto sports or or let's see I Con Motors Jonathan Ward or something like that. There's ten thousand in digital pictures of those cars all the way through the process all the way through the build and they're not going to get hacked up wacked up. Sent to the Dominican Republic raced in group five with like with like plywood flares on him for six years in the eighties and then dumped off in a barn somewhere. You know what I mean. There's no one is going to have to do this. Work in the future the Slough thing and this figuring out right well excuse me pretty soon cars for granted before you know. They were thrown old race. Cars were useless. They'd throw them away. You know watching the movie that we were in fireball. Five hundred back in the sixties. I think it was maybe it was a red line. Seven thousand but there's Daytona sitting in a ditch in the background right and nobody really thought that these cars were GonNa be worth anything in the future. And now we see cars that we thought were trashed. Were millions of dollars now. Everyone thinks okay. Every car's worth a fortune to the future. We've got to protect it and make sure you document everything. So you're right. I don't think we're going to have these whereas many of these kind of buried treasures to cover the future. Which makes everyone that we uncover now. Even more special yeah. Nobody's GONNA find a singer poor. S- that we're looking at the Daytona. Yeah no one's going to find a singer. Porsche was all wacked up and had thrown somewhere. No you know the thing. That's great that you'll love about the Daytona story is when I was talking to Pete Brock and Pete Brock. I would say is it true that like those Daytonas all came back after winning the Manufacturers Championship in Europe and shelby going. Somebody give me three grand for one of these cars. You know which are twenty-five thirty million bucks a day and he said Oh no. It's it's worse than that. He said they took one the restored. It Ford sort of traveling around a little bit like hey everyone the The the festival of speed look at this thing and then they got it and they put it on the salt flats and they went. Set a speed record like a twenty four hour speed record or something with it and then it came back to the shelby shop and it was like covered with salt and it was all beat up and shit because they had a had a restoration on it and then they went. Beat it up right and like shit in like shelby was passed and at some point he said Brock. Like just give me a thousand bucks for or fifteen hundred bucks. Everyone asked and then he called like Craig breedlove or something who had who drove it out on the salt flats are had the time on the flats like at some point. He's like Gimme nine hundred bucks for the car and everyone's like what do we want that car for. It's fucking beat this shit. It's it's racing life is over. It's covered with salt. No so one just walking past this thirty million dollar. You know you're right these days you you know when we were at Goodwood festival speed. They had just run Lama and then they brought the Porsche pink pig over and the few days between La Ma and bringing it to good where where it wanted class they had already wrapped the entire thing in the clear raw like expel protected covered the bugs and we need to preserve. Its Lama heritage. Like right out can stunt like this car is done. It's going on the shelf. It's going in the museum. It's all wrapped in plastic. Like that's where we are now. I think they've learned their lesson. Hopefully soon we all have right We've learned to appreciate the art of these cars. Both in the engineering in in the looks of that I've been and what was special about the era that they were in. And that's that's really cool. Do you have some cars? You can talk about that are coming up or some themes coming up and up out so it's just starts getting Weirder from here so Actually the the next episode is really fun. Were building a hot Rod. Thirty two Ford pickup truck for the grand national roadster shell so that seeing that builds a little different. Because it's all about the incredible details that go into it and some of the original ideas that divas come up with that are just really out of out of this world to be honest with you so. I'm really excited to show people that we've got some my car. George Barris the Red Foxes Lorette. Recor Alang We got a BIG DADDY. Roth car that. We're going to be showing We got to criticize Brubaker. Brubaker box were storing. It was twenty something of those that survived. Today we're doing a really bad ass resto mind. Mustang Mach Wind for Joey Logano silver. We're kind of mixing up different genres. We get everything from you. Know the American muscle. We got a little bit of your European exotic exotic with Pandora But then we're getting into movie cars and show cars in two weeks. We go to Japan and Launched the bathtub which is one of the weirdest Cars of all time. Actually get to draw a toilet seats in Japan which Pretty cool in my mind. So it's a very eclectic. Mix of automobiles and in that is. It's not just one car. I think you saw the premiere last night. You know it wasn't just the Pan Terra. We're showing a new Ford. Gt and the new Aston Martin. Bhalla an are wbz Porsche. So in the art of either. Those are kind of like a pallet cleanser. They're separated from the rest of the story. But it everything else is fairly cohesive you know because Carroll Shelby and Aston Martin so they brought in and asked him Martin so not. Everything's GonNa be that cohesive kind of bringing in a very eclectic mix of automobiles and You know for me. I I love cars and trucks and pretty much anything on wheels. I have automotive. Add and I think more people like different kinds of car culture than they might let on and you know what the galloping car show it can have seven car shows in what so we have an exotic car show at the premier and premier store with the Ferrari Club Lamborghini club and Aston Martin Club. Porsche club that comes out and then we do. We had Ford versus Roy and the Ford showroom in a car shoe Galvin Mazda and hot rods and a Carcinoma Peterson collection in the in the in the collection and we were having a a low rider hop on the other side so my point is like we bring in all car cultures together and what we find is people that you know normally good exotic car shows. How often do we go to a little writer hop well pretty much never but they can do that at the GOP Galveston car shell? And that's what we're trying to bring in as well and it's amazing how well everybody gets along because we might have our own genre that we love but we appreciate that other people love cars as well and it's it's about bringing everyone together in the car community and showing maybe what they might not be their number one love but heck it's car and it's car culture and check it out because it might be more interesting than intitial intentionally thought. So that's kind of the ideas bringing Karkosz together and showing it to the world and hopefully getting some fans there and hopefully making some kids. I in a in a real car phonetics as well. So if we can do that and bring back. The Pride of people working with our hands to that is really important so we can do that within. We've accomplished something a note to go out on I'll tease this last one. Because I'm curious how many episodes you guys are are doing. I'm I'm For selfish reasons. I'm adjoin can eight all right. Let me hit GYCO. Do you own do you rant. All you probably do one or the other and you get you got insurance. So why don't you bundle with Geico? You can take your homeowners renters insurance long with your auto policy and put them together save a bunch of money at Geiko DOT com. Get a quote. See just how much you could save at Geiko DOT COM GEICO makes it easy at GEICO DOT com to bundle all right. Let's see obviously Driven Mondays Nine PM. Discovery will be watching. 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#238 - Roots of Racism
"Up. Welcome to the unimaginable. CAST. This is a conversation with your best friends. This is week one million. Quarantine for covid nineteen and we're also on top of that. On a curfew here in Los Angeles because there's been rioting for the last five or six days, so let's just keep adding to this craziness of two thousand twenty. But first. Let's get into the show. We are your hosts I'm Nathan Bon Edmonson. I'm Aaron Murray. Bette Davis Junior. And as you can hear David to call in because we're socially distanced, but that doesn't mean we don't have a great show for plan for you because we do. David has very thoughtfully prepared. A timeline of events, starting all the way back from the sixteen hundreds of all the not all of them like the a lot of key events that led to what's actually happening today, the riots and protests black lives matter that started after the death of George Floyd last week. So this is going to be a good one to dig into sure lots of historical events. That I'm not even aware of so. I'm excited for David. Thanks for preparing that. That's actually fake news a little bit because it was Nathan. Who brought the list to our attention, but everything else he said was right. All Right? Yeah, we don't want to spew fake news. But first we're interrupting this program with breaking. News Bitch. Well I'm GonNa go first because sorry, because it's. It's a timely, okay. The Crusader, which is a KKK newspaper owned by a member of the KKK is is out he he says he's a member of the KKK has endorsed Donald Trump for twenty twenty I'm glad they found a candidate that suits them. That's absolutely. because. He is a good Christian. So I to think about that, and if that doesn't say everything you need to know. That I. Don't know what the. Christian. The the yeah, the reason why they thought for the re the there right as because it said it in the Bible. They think they're good Christians, but there's so much of the black community that's religious and Christian. Now. Okay. All right. Yes, so we've been plugging along very uplifting TV show watching the handmaid's tale. which has been great because it's just been reflecting the chaotic world that we find ourselves in. Not necessarily uplifting, but along with that I finally downloaded the citizen. APP, which? Also just highlights. It's like a scanner, a police scanner in your phone and shows you where all the chaos is. So for the last few days as the protests have been escalating, there's just been more and more dots on the map of incidences taking. So that's. been spending my time. Kind of an APP that drives you crazy because there was a time when I thought this neighborhood was safe. And It is compared to a lot of places in the world. This is a very very safe place until you get. The citizen APP and every little thing is reported, and you'll get an alert on your phone so two hours ago, someone was assaulted two blocks away cars stolen. There's guys walking around with pipes, and like the razors, and you name it, but people walk around with it, and it's reported. It's just the very weird of. Look at the inner workings of our city. It's also interesting because you have the capability of recording video at a place of of an incident. And that's how you report I guess crimes or incidents at. The location so basically no matter what happens well. We know this already. You're just perpetually on film. We're like policing each other in a weird way now but I. Try to report something in the neighborhood. There was that two guys driving around breaking into people's cars, and I was watching them do it so I called nine one one. And reported it, and then I wanted on the citizen APP. It was my my one chance to shine and I could I can figure out how to do it and make. It said that you had to record video, but I was like in I. said of these guys I didn't want them to see me recording them. I, don't remember myself in danger. So. It failed well. I WanNa get it tonight. I WanNa see what happens near me I to add onto Nathan's because I tried to watch the handmaid's tale and it's and you can tell it's well written. It's well acted. It's well-directed, but it it it fury aided me and at this time when you need something, feel good. You can watch the handmaid's tale. That gets you off that way, but I WANNA say. What we do in the shadows. And future man are the two greatest shows ever made, and they're feel good if you want to feel good. Now. We'd rather live in a fascist. Still. When you watch him. Get worked up pissed off. I get. Tense in sad. Yeah. It's a whole range of emotions, but I have my news. is about feel good content. Bring it on. So, there's GonNa be episode for of live from the bunker Saturday this Saturday. Coming up I think it's June six eight PM, Eastern Time Five PM Pacific Time and we just finished our contribution to this week or this month show. The theme is one hit wonders. And we have prepared potentially the most powerful one hit. Wonder that's ever been what is it? I don't know if I want to give it away I. Don't think we can spoil it. Special. Probably the most prolific video makers in America right now. That could be true I have to say it's not easy. It took the entire weekend and more so I. Don't know how much longer will be able to do it, but they've been fun. It was easy for you Nathan. I was pretty easy to do some memorization and. You know pull one of the finest performances. Sata nowhere so. Yeah I will say these two two reasons here to tune in on Saturday. One Nathan wraps. Wrapping and second one is our studio. Kitten makes his first appearance on camera. That's true. Not Exactly. He's appeared on the camera of the PODCAST, but he makes probably first. Acting Narrative experience! NELLS IT as well. Well white rapping sounds very timely to me. Thank you, thank you. Fully embody the white rapper. And this week's Goldstar goes to. Colin Kaepernick David Way Take it away. Colin Kaepernick is our winner this week. Because motherfuckers. He tried to protest peacefully any. You know what they said, they said no so bits. This is what you get look around. Turn on the news. This is what you get when you say no to kneeling during your fucking national anthem. How do you like that bitch is? It's true I. mean there's there's a whole bunch of examples of different ways that this movement has tried to protest peacefully and time and time again. People have just ignored it. So, it's kind of what happens when the dominoes start falling and people get pissed. One hundred. Hundred. Good enough I feel like we're ready to jump into the main event. Human beings what cockroaches on God's heavenly kitchen for fighting over a lengthy okay, before I go on with the timeline, and the timeline is I, think everyone should sit and listen to the time line because there were things I nail on it and there were things I didn't know on, and it's really hard to deal with. I do want to say though that watching the protests on. I've seen video of plain clothes, white COP, smashing windows, inciting looting and I've seen tons of looting by whites and Latino and Asian and bunch of white people, spray, painting and things. From everyone. But what I want to say, though like because there's always this narrative during riots like why don't those people of mind? Their own business around those people behave themselves and it's like now. We're seeing evidence that it's not those people. Black. There are some of those. Talking about black people. Yeah, yeah, what I'm saying! Is that that it's everyone it's everyone and and because there's always been like during other riots was always conspiracy about like well white cops incited, and they're like. No, they don't. That's conspiracy theory. Well now we have video evidence that white cops are in signing this riot so I. Just WanNa say that I just WanNa. Get that out there that we have evidence now at what what is the purpose of them inciting the violence especially if they're up to me. Like I don't know Jean Tommy Lawrence. She's a white conservative reporter on. Awful. She's a night and she says stuff like look at what they're doing it, so they can look point at and say look at what they're doing. Look at how horrible these people are. That's I think the main reason they're doing it. It's just to point out there, but it's like nobody cares anymore. All bets are off. You're like fuck y'all's okay. All right I just want to clarify that even though I was attributed with. Finding this list. That's really all I did If you WANNA, go to the root DOT COM. You can find this excellent article. That kind of lays all of this out and we thought it was. A useful way of spending our podcast time to go through this list of horrors. Stay with a long list, and if you to now, you're a bad person. Yes. You can't turn off the show. You can't pause it. I don't care. If you have to use the restroom, you'd better leave the podcast running. Yeah! Oh Yeah. into it jump right in. August nineteen sorry. I already made a mistake. August sixteen nineteen. Of the Year of Sixteen nineteen, a ship called the white. Lion arrived in Virginia with in this even hard to say arrived with Negroes. That's what they were in the taste mark. Sorry Negros to be sold as slaves. Case Sixteen thirty six Boston creates the nightwatch which would become the US's first police force June sixteen forty. Virginia's. Court officially created the first slave when the court condemned John Punch and African to a life sentence of servitude because he was black. Punch one of the original White Line Africans, who came over on the ship way with an indentured Dutch servant, and an English servant, and they were they were found, brought back, and a judge ordered the three to be whipped thirty times. Each candidate headman sale really does totally on my God that Dutch men and English men were sentenced to one year extension on their servitude contract, but punish sentence, and this is taken out of the documents of the core. It says that the third being a Negro named John Pine Jr Sal shall serve his, said Master, or his assigns for the time of his natural life here or elsewhere. Okay we're continuing on. I want I want to say that. There was slavery before that, but that was the first time on official record. That a man was assigned slavery in a court of law. Okay in America. Pity New Okay sixteen sixty nine. Virginia's legislature passes and act about the casual killing of slaves. Masters kill their slaves when punishing them are not held responsible for murder. which is directly from the Bible is from the Bible. You're right Yup one hundred percent. I remember that. Seventeen four South Carolina creates the first modern day. Public Police Force called slave patrols the common slave patrols. these publicly funded organizations serve three functions to number one chase down apprehended return away slaves number to provide a form of organized territory to deter slave reports so look at that seventeen floor. They're already formulating terrorism to to scare people into doing what they want them. Ben Groups that were trying to revolt right, I would imagine. Yeah And then number three to maintain a form of discipline for slave workers who violated rules. Okay, September ninth seventeen, thirty nine Jammie. Illiterate enslaved Congolese Warrior in South Carolina organized an Uprising Erin that resulted in twenty five colonists thirty five to fifty. Africans being killed. Why did you say my name? Because you descend, will there were they were trying to revolt here like you see a revolt, and it was called the stone rebellion, and it was the largest revolts in the British mainland colonies which became America I thought. You were blaming me for it. Yeah, I'm sure that you I'm sure in some way. You are to blame April, seventeen forty. After the donor rebellion South Carolina passed the Negro Law of seventeen forty, making it illegal for slaves to leave the US assembling groups grow food, earn money and learn to rights. It also gave slave owners permission to kill rebellious slaves I just want to go back and underline that they they prohibited slaves from assembling growing food, earning money in learning how to rights. They wrote those down. They thought about it and wrote it down because as soon as they're. Talking amongst each other and becoming educated and learning like that's GonNa then. Probably make it more likely that they'll create an army to fight back. And think about being that mindset, think about think about wanting to enact those laws. I'm sorry this is like so handmaid's tale. Except it's true. Well, yes, accurate obviously. Ages. Type in made it women instead okay March Seventeen, seventy, America's first police brutality protests turned into a riot when British troops fire on Boston residents crispus advocates. A black man is killed during what we now call. What do we call it people? A Boston massacre an inverted that before. Okay December. Seventeen Ninety one congress, ratifies the Second Amendment giving Americans the right to bear arms. I didn't know this other James Madison created it. Why did he create it James? Madison was the president of the time. Why do you think created it, so you can keep your slaves in check? Yes, his quotas to allay fears of armed black uprising. You go bitch I didn't know that we are. We're taught in school that it's like to protect the country now yet. It's not six eighteen, fifty seven supreme court issues, a verdict in dread Scott Versus Sanford in which chief justice Roger Teini roads. This is what he actually wrote Black Americans had. For more than a century before been regarded as beings of an inferior order and altogether unfit to associate with the white race, either in social or political relations in so far inferior, they had no rights which the white man was bound to respect. Spend a nice. Reminds me of I wish. I could remember the play that was that was put on when I was at Overland College, and it was about Gosh I wish I could remember, but it was all about the specific doctor who. Like quote scientifically studied a black women or black people to pretty much point out how inferior quote inferior they are! and. It's a really crazy play. Anyone come to that conclusion. What ends up happening obviously? This just a narrative device or actually happened. I think because I think this is based on a real case. It's been twenty years since I've seen the play, but the doctor of course falls in love with the subject. and. Basically raping. Fever and I want you to. I want to go back to that. Because a lot of people don't like if you read some of the things that Abraham Lincoln wrote, he wrote some of the same exact things that I just read to you about the superiority of the white man and stuff, so this is highly ingrained in our I. mean this was a way of thinking yeah okay. Not True like so many people that. Way People idolize are like are African American Black Sports. People singers musicians outlets like there's no, there's no. And, that's not it's not new. It's not like Oh, now we have great athletes. That's been going with forever like. I don't know how you can look at someone else and. I don't know how that conclusion can be made. Sorry, I'm having trouble formulating that but I think it has to do with like it. Just shrink culture and our superiority with technology as opposed to these quote savage. People who live in the Bush like that was like. How was originally? Better at white people a-, so many things. Thank God. I think it also has to do with with Gilles like even if you're a horrible person and you see what's going on, you have to justify it in your mind, so you make up these insane racheted safe. Yeah. Okay, April twelve, eighteen sixty one eleven, state governments unite to form a white supremacist nation, proclaiming that they'd rather secede than stop enslaving humans and edits kickoff that kickoff. Eleven state government seceded from the union northern the south civil war. But then, and then, but on April, ninth eighteen, sixty five south surrendered. December twenty, four, th eighteen, sixty, five, a group, composed of former confederate soldiers, slave, patrollers and law enforcement officers formed. With they called the circle of friends, but what do we know at better, ask? The KKK. How'd you? How'd you? Had ME. Wait we. July ninth eighteen, sixty, a US, the US ratifies the fourteenth amendment, making former enslave African citizens of the United States Kinda. But with the same rights, yeah, they can't own land. They can't vo they can't. They basically can't really do anything. Just aren't slaves anymore? July ninth, eighteen, Sixty, eight to eighteen, seventy seven Ku Klux. Klan organizes a national terror campaign. The massacres tens of thousands of black people across the country, and we know these as the lynchings. This is when the lynchings began, and these are just the top three states, Mississippi had five hundred eighty one lynchings Georgia had five, hundred, thirty, one Texas at four, hundred, ninety, three, seventy nine percent of the lynchings took place in the south. Which I thought anyways. What's so crazy? We think eighteen what you say. Seventy seven was the quote like the end of that. Quote like Seventy Times. Continued beyond that, but that's. That that massacre time, but eighteen, seventy, seven, even eighteen sixty five. Isn't that long ago when you really think about if you think about a generational I, think my grandmother who I knew for. Thirty five years of my life before she passed away, she was born. I think in nineteen eleven. Yeah. That can't be right. No nineteen, twenty, two. Yeah I think my grandma's around the same age as yours it was. Early Twenties and that's like your parents. Her parents grandparents was alive during the civil war. So think of your grandparents grandparent. Yeah. Now totally, and you have to realize it was. It was a religious state. The United States of America is a religious state. If you weren't Christian, you could get in big trouble lake, which is stupid. They. Our country was stupid because our country was founded for people that wanted religious freedom. What the Protestants who is still, but you're still to be Christian. You just didn't have to be Affleck. So January eighteen, seventy seven following masks violence against. Americans and widespread voter fraud Rothberg Rutherford. Rutherford B, Hayes was installed as president and the Jim Crow laws were enacted, which called for blacks to be segregated, and these laws were enforced until the nineteen sixties so almost one hundred years. My question about those laws, and this is complete ignorance on my part. Were they enacted to? Obviously, their suppressive were they enacted for that reason, or was there like a a? We're going to do this because it's going to protect black people. That's what they said they signed. Yeah, black people can get really big trouble if like they into a white or even. Like a black person drink from white drinking fountain. They got in big trouble right, but I'm saying was. It was advertised to everyone as a good thing like Oh. It's going to protect everyone. Yeah exactly. K Summer Nineteen nineteen. The riots break out across actually started in nineteen eighteen, but the riots riots break out across the US when black veterans returned from World War One thinking they might return to a more equal nation They were wrong. One of the incidents in Hickman Kentucky charged black. Soldier arrived. His name is Charles Lewis. He was standing on the street corner in his uniform. Having just served in World War One He was He was harassed by a white officer police officer. that he, of course, this is when they start. He claimed he fit the description of a robbery. Suspect's and when Mr Lewis insisted he just returned home. He was a soldier with no reason to Robin. When the officer accused him of assault and arrested him the next morning. A mob of white man broke into the jail in lynched him. He's. So yeah that that I mean it was going on like they say I mean it went. The lynchings happened up until the sixties. August, twenty, eighth, nineteen, fifty, five and this. I mean all these are all bad, but this I just can't even deal with I. Don't know if you guys have heard of Emmet till before, have you? Have you heard of him? I don't know. He was fourteen year old boy who went into a store where white women worked and because he talked to her, she was insulted. So she said that he sexually assaulted her. US Oh a mob of white men. What yeah fourteen. Your mob of White Man's fourteen year old kids, so a mob of white man and I'm GonNa. Say I hate reading about like I but I'm going to read what they what happened. They kidnapped him. They tortured him. They killed him then they wrapped in barbed wire and threw him into the Tallahassee River. None of them were charged with a crime even though they admitted to it publicly. And the woman admitted in two thousand seventeen that she made the story up. She finally did. She was ninety something sticking to the story the whole time she stuck to the story the whole time until two thousand seventeen. That she apologize are. Lose at death bed so deal. Okay. I know that you want to just punch her in the face you can't. May Fourteenth Nineteen Sixty one Birmingham Alabama police commissioner bull connor along with ku-klux-klan. Let attack on the freedom writers, which was a peaceful protest grew They be firebombed in hospitalized several in Alabama. that was nineteen, sixty, one, nine, hundred, sixty, three. We skipped over lot I'm. We haven't even included all of them I know. The people listening are saying what about this? What about this? Yeah. There's a lot more yeah, just I mean just the fact that the one one lynching segment that you talked about an eighteen seventies was thousands of people lynch like thousands of people. Yeah exactly. August twelfth nineteen sixty. Three Martin. Luther King delivered his I have a dream speech at the march. On Washington saying, we can never be satisfied as long as the Negro is the victim of the unspeakable horrors of police brutality, and he calls himself Negro, but it just sounds so wrong. Yeah. Years Ago Fifty fifty years ago my God six years ago. It's twenty. Year it is. Wrong in the sixties, they started saying black. I don't know why he didn't save. Black I think it was just. That was at the time. That was just yeah. Okay, so we're not even halfway through, so September fifteenth nine, hundred sixty three white supremacists bombed the Sixteenth Street Baptist Church in Birmingham Alabama. Killing fourteen year old eighty may Collins Cynthia Wesley and Carole Robertson an eleven year old. Denise McNair as they were changing into their rier choir robes. And Yeah. That's Nice February eighteenth nineteen sixty five Alabama state troopers shoot Jimmy Lee. Jackson a nonviolent protester, March. Seventh Nineteen Sixty Five Alabama, state troopers and the Ku Klux. Klan attacks six hundred nonviolent protesters on the Edmund Edmund Pettus Bridge in Selma with billy clubs and tear gas, and this is what we now know as Selma riots. April third nineteen sixty eight. mlk was shot by James Earl Ray in Memphis Tennessee. March third and this jumps a lot. There was a lot more of the happen. This jumps to a march third nineteen ninety-one. A video camera captures four Los. Angeles Police Department officers beating Rodney King One of the first viral police brutality videos. I JUST WANNA. Say you had mentioned. You just said how there were so many things that happened in between. All of this were jumping so much that we know about we're not even what about the all the incidents that we have no idea about. One hundred percent one hundred percents, and yeah, it gets. It gets even more like I'm glad they put this list together because there's things in recent times that I, don't know about like we know I know about all the famous ones, but there's a recent ones I'm gonNA. Keep going these are some we know. April Twenty First Nineteen ninety-two, a jury acquits all for officers who be Rodney King. And of course riots and sue, February, twenty, third, nineteen, ninety, nine four NYPD officers, shoot and kill twenty three year old Ahmadou follow. The officers were acquitted on all charges. On November twenty, six, thousand, six, seven undercover New York police officers fire more than fifty rounds of ammunition at an unarmed Sean Bell at a party. The officers were acquitted. Of February twenty, six, two thousand twelve seventeen year old trayvon martin is stocked, chased and shot by the Zimmerman after nine one one operators tells Zimmerman to leave the teenager alone which I did not know that. They tell him leave. Leave the kid alone so. Six weeks after the shooting Zimmerman was arrested in subsequently acquitted of murder which I would think that. He wouldn't be after they told them to, Leave Catalonia. Fear- for your life argument and maybe. He was following him. Yeah, but I. Don't know I'm not I'm not justifying it all I'm just trying to remember what the argument was that. Created Doubt Yeah. March twenty first two. Thousand Twelve Chicago police officer Dante Sirven shoots unarmed Rickey Boyd. quitted of charges. July seventeenth two thousand fourteen NYPD officer Daniel. Pantaleo Kills Eric Garner until has never been committed convicted of a crime August ninth, two thousand Fourteen Ferguson Missouri Officer Darren Wilson Shoots and kills eighteen year old Mike. Brown Junior. anybody WANNA. Guess if he was convicted I think there's a pattern here. I'm sensing. L.. Wilson was not charged with a crime. November twenty second two thousand fourteen Cleveland Police Officer Timothy Lohman kills. Twelve year old Tamir Rice. and. Lohman is not charged with a crime twelve year old. Twelve year old. April fourth, two, thousand fifteen. A bystander captures North Charleston South Carolina police officer Michael. Seager shooting unarmed Walter Scott as Scott runs away during a traffic. Stop Slater. Oh! Yes, slight Michael slager shot at now, Michael Slater pled guilty to federal deprivation of rights under the color of the law and was sentenced to twenty years in prison. You. Know Kate receiving changing a little. That's fan that's April. That's two thousand fifteen k. they arrive in the sixteen hundreds. And now we're seeing two thousand fifteen. Someone is convicted. K. Baltimore resident Freddie. Gray was arrested for carrying a knife in died from injuries while being transported to jail, no one involved was convicted. Okay, while we're back to it July Nineteenth Two Thousand Fifteen University of Cincinnati officer Ray tensing shot and killed Sam Dubose during a traffic stop. Tensing was not convicted of a crime July thirteenth two thousand fifteen. Sandra Bland's. Okay. There's frivolity going on while I'm delivering these. Difficult things in the studio people are waving in. It's not appropriate. Dr Gus it's against the law. Not Votto Yeah Okay July thirteenth two thousand fifteen. Sandra bland is found hanged in jail cell after a Dash Cam captures brutal arrests by State Trooper Brian and Sina. And I. Don't know if you saw this I saw this video. She. It's just ridiculous that because she's like I need to see. My family is not the case he takes. He's brutalizing. Her takes her in and then all of a sudden. She's found hanged in her cell. I. Don't I call Bullshit one hundred percent. And the guy was never convicted of a crime and it was. The no one's been nothing yeah. The wrongdoing nothing anyways. July second two thousand sixteen Saint Anthony Minnesota. Police Officer Geronimo Yanez and I'm not making that up shoots. Fell Landau Casteel during a traffic stop in which could steal was not driving or committing crime, and Yanez was acquitted of all charges I. Don't. I wish I wish I knew more about that because that sounds completely wrong. was that the one where he was sitting in the passenger seat? With his girlfriend or fiancee or something and the police came up and basically just unloaded on them in the car. Yes, sounds like it. sounds about right. July Fifth Two Thousand Sixteen Baton Rouge Louisiana. Officers shoot thirty seven year old sterling, as he lies on the ground restrained by officers, any guesses on if there were charges or convictions now. No charges no convictions is lying about. This sounds very similar to what's going on now. August I, two thousand sixteen authorities, course, facebook and Instagram to shot off the live feed for twenty three year old Coren gains standoff with Police Baltimore County police burst into her home and shooter dead, as she holds her son in her arms. No one is convicted. Why were they we hut? I'd need more information about that one. Yeah. Yeah, why was there? But you know why there was a stand-off. Don't know whether standoff I should have looked into that more. but now we get into things we know about a little bit more September first, two, thousand sixteen. Do you know what happened that day? Something you guys know about. My I know, but I don't know. Colin Cavernous. All in Nick I knelt during their asthma before a game. The NFL find him and Donald Trump. Called for him to be fired. Donald Trump called for him to be fired for kneeling where you at now. Donald Trump where you at now, bitch. He's in the underground bunker under the White House. That's what I read. Around I WANNA. Get a donald trump supporter on here and ask them. How does it feel to follow someone who's hiding in a bunker under the White House, he is the biggest snowflake we've ever known and the biggest policy. We've ever known a common CAPITEC now. Protesting which is very peaceful and very. Very, honorable and Donald Trump called for him to be fired. He hasn't worked since that's right. Yeah! I think that we need to do something. Right whatever we'll is September, sixteenth, two thousand Sixteen Tulsa Oklahoma police officer Betty. Shelby shoots unarmed. Terrence Crutcher as news helicopter records the footage. Issue quitted. The shelby, that's a family name for me. Am I responsible for that? She was acquitted. She was acquitted. March eighteenth two thousand eighteen. Sacramento Police Officers opened fire on twenty three year old. Stefan Clark Striking him eight times times in the back. Is Anyone charged? No Do we know? Anyone now. I'm sure someone knows to any of US know. So there's obviously killings. Police officer kill- killing white people. White men for various things that happens i. what are the numbers like? What is the comparison? Obviously! Fortunate, but it is. It is I didn't bring the actual numbers, but it is. It is disproportionately black. But this is what makes it worse is. There's usually convictions or investigations and and wrongdoing found when the white men are killed, and there's usually not when the black men are killed. so that's the biggest problem we have here since September six two thousand eighteen officer Amber Geiger the home of Botham gene and shoots him dead She said that she thought the apartment was hers. This white lady any convictions. No didn't turn out that they knew. Big. Ten Years in prison. Ten years. Well, yeah. Sorry what room sending. Say I thought I. Remember there being some depth to the story? where she thought she was going home and had no idea who this guy was, but then actually had some prior connection with him. I'm sure she did they lie. They all lie. All White Ladies Live right in all right ladies lie. It. We'll find out in two thousand seventeen, but we'll find out. anyways yeah I think that when you when you shoot someone because in their apartment and you say you think it's it's yours. I think every member of the family able to punch in the face as hard as they can. I, think that's part of the sentence. Okay I know she's having an affair with him or something. Stupid Bitch October Twelfth Two Thousand Nineteen Fort Worth Texas. Police officer Aaron Dean shoots through the window of twenty eight-year-old God, sorry I'm sorry, ought Tian. Tana Jefferson killing her dean is fired and charged with murder well. We're seeing an upswing here, people. Wow. Okay I'm excited if every twenty third twenty twenty vigilant Bob in New Brunswick. Sorry in Brunswick, Georgia. Jason's down and shoots twenty three year old Ahmad. Armory killing him. Okay! I. wrote to where we hold on, have you? Have you guys seen that video? No I just saw. It's crazy. How much is caught on video and I I there? There's like the wrestling moment like a skirmish moment before shot, and that was mostly what was broadcast in all I saw until recently, and they show there is more on video, and it's just like the most horrific thing ever. So. And they say and they said that they were following him because there was a break in nearby, and that was found out to be a lie, they dispelling a black guy and there. I don't know if you guys remember this, but there was a whole bunch of the DA wasn't going to press charges, and all this weird shit happening and tell someone step was like no, what's going on here? They finally arrested after two months. And they arrested the man who who shot the video to. so they're. They're all being charged with crime. Thank God. Thank God Marts Thirteenth Twenty Twenty Louisville. Kentucky Police Officers Jonathan Mattingly. Hankinson and Miles Cosgrove entered the apartment twenty six year old emt Brianna Taylor to serve her a no knock warrants. not only was it the wrong apartments. But the man they were looking for had been arrested earlier that day. Now okay, she's an emt like you gotta see pictures of her season emt. And you can imagine busting out on her and and. She was probably like in. Anyways, I, it just doesn't make any sense, but there was no one charged in this, and there's actually I signed a petition online to prosecute the people who shot her. Yeah, I urge everyone to do that. What he was killed killed right. Yes, she was killed. May Twenty Fifth Twenty Twenty Minneapolis Police Officer Derek Show van kneels on the neck of George, Floyd or eight minutes and forty six seconds, two minutes, and fifty three seconds of which occurred after Floyd was unconscious. Floyd died. and then a a a Minnesota went on television, said they don't have enough evidence to charge officers. So what happened? Was We also? Riots broke out. and. The police station was burned down in suddenly He's charged with murder. Which is the fastest the they said it was the fastest of convicts or the fastest arrest of any officer ever. but the three officers who were present Dow thou-. Thomas Kate Lane and Jay. Alexander carrying have not been charged. Protests will continue until they are. I think that they should be I think one hundred percent they should be and I like that. There's a lot of a police officer saying that they should be also. with helps. and. So the breaking the the breaking news today was that. The they did an independent autopsy, which said that it was certainly as fixed as fixation as a result of. The kneeling on the neck, as opposed to the county autopsy report, which said that there was pre existing conditions. And it was not and potentially intoxicants that were the cause of death rather than the. Down on county to the ground and start. Do and you know at first I was like God don't. Don't protest. Don't riot, but you know. What in Donald Trump's America writing works? They got the fastest arrest in history, so it's a shame when it has to go to that extreme to have anything. Change totally, but I guess you do I guess you do. That fucking the fucking da that went on television said we don't have enough. Evidence should also be arrested I mean. We all every person in this country saw the evidence. Yeah exactly! so that's where we are now and I. Reading this like I knew reading and it's like what do you? What do you expect? What do you fucking expect if you're a white person sitting there saying well. They don't need to be doing this. It's like what do you expect if it was if the if the if the situation was reverse? I'm sure that you would be doing the same thing. Yeah it's. I guess unfortunate timing. With. So, many businesses that. have been able to stay afloat during COVID and are finally starting to come back and. There's been a businesses that have been looted and burned flocked to a point where they're like. On of Cova, they're done so it's. It's. I talked to my. My brother has a restaurant Philadelphia. And just. They've. Worked really really hard to keep the business afloat and He had pretty much had to lay off the entire kitchen staff there on, but they're doing take out. They were able to pay their bills and each night like one like another restaurant on their block. Block with a whole bunch of other restaurants got broken into, and everything got destroyed and he was just like. Waiting to. Loses restaurant and you know there's so many people that have and. You Know I. Agree that. These protests need to be happening to be heard. Unfortunately, we don't listen to peaceful. Protests just. Just all really heavy and hard. Can't stand the looting. I can't stand the vandalism. I can't stand it any of it, but I can't say that I. Don't expect that 'cause. I can't say that if I was in that position that I would be doing the same thing because I want to seeing. That, that image of him, kneeling on that man bike, just everyday fills me with fury and I wanted to. I wanted to set fire to something like I, I wanted to and I and the thing that terrifies me about that is. I can't say that I was there. That I wouldn't push that police officer off that man. And and I would probably be arrested or dead right now. I mean you don't. I don't know what the dynamic those guys like that the guy who did it. Might have been like a huge floppies fucking deck, but could've had like a weird could power dynamic between the group and the I don't know like I. Don't I don't know? Those guys didn't step in the three zero. As a citizen, not even as a police officer, I wanna live visit and I saw that and people were screaming. Get them get off of him. I can't say that I wouldn't push the officer off and who could blame me? Who could say that I would be wrong to do that in knowing what we know now who say that I be wrong, but I would be shot or arrested Jefferson or I mean I think. I immediately thought of. What was the film I didn't even like the movie crash where there was the worst movie ever Yeah Yeah. It's terrible there's. But there's at one of the scenes. Is Police abusing their power and it's just it's so horrific to think of the people who should be protecting and serving. taking advantage of people who are less powerless who don't have power. It's just such A. fucking terrible. I've nothing more to say. But you know you imagine these scenarios and what you would do, but yeah, you would be shot. You would be arrested. Are you going to take that risk in the moment like God? It's horrifying. But it is the right thing the right thing to do if you're standing there, push that man off of the other man I mean he was already handcuffed ground. And there was four of them. They couldn't put him in the back of a police car. Right and. And the thing so a NPR this morning. They were talking about the fact that. It was a twenty dollar. The assume that it was A. Call was about a fake twenty dollar bill, so this is over twenty dollars. And the the whole interview is about what kind of allocation of resources are police departments utilizing for four police officers who each getting paid more than twenty dollars an hour obviously. Go deal with the situation that's. Twenty dollars. Yeah, I mean I don't understand why they're like we don't. We don't want to accept this bill. That they didn't just tell them to leave. Right like what's the? Why And that's that's not even talking about the immorality of murdering someone. I. It's the fact that you're like. What are we doing with our resources? When that many cops have to be there to restrain someone who tried to buy milk and eggs or some shit I, don't even know buying totally totally an. Totally I agree you. Present and I understand that policemen have to deal. A police officer is not just men, but they have to deal with a lot of horrible people they have to deal with criminals was a lot of shit. But Yeah if you lose your schiff? Over some guy. That you already have on the ground. You need to get out and if you and your partner is there, you can't him. You need to get out into quit. India said can't do this. I. Know I don't have the temperament to be a police officer and we need mental screenings. We need mental screenings of mental health screenings of police officers all the way up to the White House. We obviously know that we need it on. The President United States because there something fucking wrong with him, too. Because while this is all going on, we have to remember that he's an underground bunker. Any turned off the lights. The white holes policy not only that he's A. He's inciting more violence like he's he's. He's deepening the division between people. He's not doing anything to try and bring people together, and it's. It's hundred percent. There's a lot of good things that could come out of all this We could do a whole podcast on all the different outcomes. That would be positive if they were to happen. One of the many would be people. That were on the fence with their choice. Seen Donald trump a little more clearly for who he is. Yeah, well, they better, and we better be yelling at the people in our families that are trump supporters. You better be saying really. I I I tried. My Dad thinks it's a conspiracy. Conspiracy Conspiracy by George Soros. But anyway, let's say. Let's say it was. It was choreographed by someone else the way he's handling it. He's a pussy. He's a snowflake. He's a cowardly little boy. No arguments. Sir, Yup no arguments there so it could be a conspiracy one hundred percent, but he's not handling. He's handling any part of it. The way leader said. I I can't think of reminder. Good thing. He's done what he's not a leader. Yeah, no, he's a little baby. He's a little teeny tiny little weeny. An idea like I. Don't know if you saw that that. In Atlanta I. Forget who she was I think she was a DA or something like that Atlanta. Police Stop tweeting Mr. Trump, you are making the situation worse, right absolutely. All right. So my mom, who's not the brightest ball in the bunch? She even walked away from trump. There's hope never my dad. He's in the dark side forever, but for maybe I mean I think that there's. I. Do believe that there's that argument of WHO. You're going to spend your time actually talking to people who are just so entrenched going to change their perspective, and it's just not useful. It's more useful to spend your time trying to talk to people who might be influenced or to be using your resources in time to help. Register people to vote or whatever whatever activities might have more of an effect than trying to talk to the the loss causes. And even if that's like. Hopefully the people who were you know Never Biden. People on the left will rise up a little bit too and realize that. We can't have every. It can't be perfect, but it can be. Terrible if we don't do something. Totally one hundred percent. I have to say like I wasn't the biggest I have said good things about him. I wasn't the biggest Obama Fan when he was the president. Just because no president is amazing, but I do have to say during these times. He has been a better president these couple of months than the man who is in the White House. Why do have to say that? Like the things he says makes sense which which is so bizarre in in twenty twenty for a president to say something that makes sense, and he's saying things that are uniting Obama's. He's a smart guy. He's speaker good writer. I, think that's crazy about this time is how it feels. Like, we have to localize just what seems to be such common sense, because there's so much insanity in the world right now like wow, we're so insane this. We've become so insane. I don't I don't want to drift off topic by talking more about trump or some of the other conspiracy theories that are out there whether they're conspiracy or not, but I will say that if there is anyone who's happy right now. His name is Putin. Country, not saying he orchestrated anything, but he certainly not upset about what's happening in the United States right now I can tell you. Someone else that's happy. Our kitten all. Sleep and use. Your Kids Not GonNa vote for trump twenty twenty are. What is? What is what is Kitin? Age for voting At what age for cat can you vote? Get back to. Three years. Twenty one okay sounds good. I will say that not only is Putin happy, but in the article I read where the Ku Ku Klux Klan. endorsed trump. They said he's doing a great job. Great job is America. Great again. What is America great again? Saying, he's making America great again to what it was I. Guess I guess they mean. I get this I guess this is America. They were talking about the the rioting. America! The America where all day today there's just been sirens going off. Yeah Great, Job Great. Job To. You David thanks for articulating all those points for us. Really appreciate it you. Know that that's all I. Mean I think that what's great about that list is just so important to just learn more and get a bigger perspective of what the issue is. Yeah. It's just easy to watch the news and make form an opinion based on how people are behaving, and unless you know. The roots of everything you can't really have an opinion so. Allow. This is what we're doing for our listeners. We're allowing them to have an educated opinion on the subject. Totally totally and I realized while reading especially the recent events on this list. Is that like every like when we hear about it in the news, we kind of Oh. That's too bad and other person dies, but there's a lot of people who identify with it. They're like Oh shit. Another one of ours is killed. Oh really. Nobody's charged in the murder Oh. Really noted in so it hits hits. Harder like the thing that the thing that people have to understand about white privilege is you. Don't hear a lot about like like again and again and again and again white people being killed and white people being like you know nobody charged. Nobody charged another white person dead. Nobody charged white person dead. Nobody charged you. Don't hear that, and if it's happening, bring it to bring to the forefront, but I don't think it's happening I. Don't think that is going on because I have never heard that I've heard it here and there you know like extenuating circumstances. Yeah I mean I know that. In general officers are more protected. Just be given their. Their job and what they do and you know, put themselves in harm's way. Every single day and so there there's definitely that an elevated protection that citizens don't have for sure. But it seems. Definitely seems to be abused. And I want to say to that I. Don't I. Do not think that all cops are bad. I think there's good cops I. think There's great cops I but I. Do know that they're like in certain jurisdictions. There is a culture. Of Racism, and there's a culture of of abuse, or like whatever it is this? This guy was doing like a culture like we're better than them type of thing. And And that's gotTa Stop I think that. I. Think it's great I want I would like to commend all the police officers who are speaking out saying that it was murder saying that that they don't like what happened and they wouldn't do it because that's huge like thirty years ago, they will get fired for doing something like that and I think that it's great that they're able to do now. We need more of that. It's what I've been saying about. The Democrats in the and the Republicans people need to come out and say what is right, and what is wrong and I think it's. Yeah we need to be self correcting. All right David thanks so much really appreciate it. All right, thank you. We're GONNA. Stop the recording now and start up again next week. I've never get the next week. Next, week. Arm stay safe out there. Do you need to do to protect yourself and stay healthy as well? We still a pandemic, even though there's mass crowds of people smashing. Yeah, that's what's so crazy. Who would have thought that? The pandemic would suddenly be like below the headline like buried new story? Totally. is there still. Are you, Sir this. I don't know I don't know I haven't heard anything. A are her mayor. He's just I never had an opinion. Erica said before the mayor of Los Angeles like he was always fine. Hey, gus. But. He's headed the old so much at the last few months. Heart goes out to them. A hard job and he's GonNa. Make a lot of really hard decisions. Anything about him. What do you think does? When Dr Goes hates him. He's just not my guy. He's not my. Imagine having his role right now like like. Hey, Don like. Lee Shit like I don't know if any mayor like ever. Had this many giant issues at one time, and that's not just eric or city. Every mayor, every governor everyone. Everyone needs a big vacation, yeah! Envy the American people because we're like the economy. I don't know what's going to happen when there is not going to be in La. Especially, there's not going to be. There's going to be enough jobs for all. Damage because of the rioting, a lot of businesses going out so I feel sorry for us all. Over, Sherry, now, obviously like I'm not just sympathizing for our leaders. All right we can talk about this forever. Let's Let's stop the recording. Really good. Quote about like. which do now, the EDGE FOR DONALD TRUMP? Quote Really strong way to ask. What you do now bitch. Alright. CAST.
"The, following program where prerecorded. Cunningham. The great American and is my desire. Normally we begin with some powerhouse gas. And I told her match diamond. To save that today because we have one coming on at one o'clock, Carl Lewis the eminent prominent criminal defense attorney friend of mine, who is going to be involved in some of the defense work, quite likely and talk about the legality of the protest and constitutional rights being violated whether or not the cops elicits slow this morning whether three of the cops in Minneapolis might have difficulty getting convicted because of the law. What a novel concept and things that character! But as wise men have said before, can you and I come together to come together at the table? In reason and come to some shared conclusion based upon available evidence I know that a seem somewhat unusual in today's climate, but we have to talk together to understand each other's viewpoints before we can proceed with having a common goal. Normally, the general rule for riots is this. They began as rightful protests in the nineteen sixties from nine hundred and sixty five to nineteen seventy-three there. There were riots almost every summer and most American, cities including here in Cincinnati exacerbated and caused by racial discrimination against African Americans for decades, if not longer, and also by the fact, there was terrible events happening Vietnam, and also the assassination of Martin Luther King Junior in April, the fourth nineteen, sixty eight, and then nineteen seventy may fourth over the Kent State shootings for the National Guard came out and shot for students, and practically every summer in Cincinnati derives to one extent or another. And so these things began in the right way with the Martin Luther King Junior's Fred shuttles worth with the Damon. Lynch's begins the right way nonviolent. Then what happens, there's other forces, maybe one percent three percent, maybe as many as ten percent in the crowd uses out as an occasion in order to loot, and burn and savage their community, in which they live, a perfect example is ot are. To three CDC. The organizations at private businesses government has spent about one point five billion dollars tr. I said one point five billion. All those monies are now at risk partially because there's a perception, may I use determine the suburbs and might be dangerous to ot are, but also the politics of some of the merchants and ot are make it difficult for many who feel differently about the political issue to come forward and patronize a business. There's a note a pizza parlor in. In Ot are which also has a store in some suburban locations that is a sign on the door. Completely buying into the black lives matter political agenda, and saying on the on the front door that you should make contributions to black lives, matter and other causes, and there's a list of demands on the on the front door of a pizza parlor. The front door listed demands. Most, of which, of course, because the world that exists in twenty twenty, it's not even close to the world that existed in one, thousand, nine, hundred, sixty, one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, hundred, and eighty, much last, eighteen, sixty five. The world is completely different. Because when I grew up as a young American and deer park. The political leadership all around me were old white. Republican males Walter back. Remember him about Eugene. Roman. Remember him about Willis. Gradison! Remember remember him. Those characters in reality don't exist anymore, politically our community. The country's changed fundamentally. It's been fifty years half century since a white Republican controlled any part of the city of Cincinnati for example, and it's going to be another fifty years before any white Republican wins, a commission see to simply is not going to happen in this environment. The area of this of this great land of ours turned decidedly blue. And as a consequence, the world is completely change so to act as if during the protests, the world exist in twenty twenty. The way existed in one, thousand, nine, hundred seventy. It's just completely wrong. It doesn't exist that way. It's been fifty years. It's moved on. You got to move on something more constant in life than change. What has happened is that businesses have taken on social and political causes to promulgate to promote a certain political viewpoint. Businesses won't say unborn lives matter. They don't say that they do say black lives, matter, which of course they do along with a bunch of other lives, they always matter and according to the argument when you say all lives matter diminishes. Black lives and makes it look look look as if we're not equal and so much like an animal farm or nineteen eighty-four. Have to change the terminology to get to the desired political conclusion. So right now. The masses have done major long term damage to the economic prospects of their own community by riding in cities across the country. And best example of what's happening Avondale and Evanston. which suffered terrible riots by the way that we're not supported by black business owners and black residents when those riots took place in Evanston and Avondale, and nineteen, sixty, seven, sixty, eight, and somewhat in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, nine, because there were thousands of businesses burned out black, own included of course, and those businesses did not come back large chains, which were kept open by the administration during the so called. Covert Nineteen Panik. Did. Not Go back into the black community for obvious reasons, because it was too hard to conduct business and the cost of losing all your inventory on a moment's notice is simply too expensive. And so you have the emptying out of business interest in Avondale Evanston Roseland other black communities that were vibrant and strong up until the nineteen sixty eight riots, then they collapsed, and every ten years a new plan to restart avondale businesses that keep failing one upon the other, because black folks and white folks move out of areas that is costly to be their crime is rampant, and there's not a lot of shopping choices, so as a consequence, the protesters who are not the writers, the riders and the protesters are completely different persons. The protesters normally marching around the streets in Cincinnati. Now would no more riot than the man in the moon. It simply wouldn't happen. There's not A. Not a coming together of the writers and the protesters when they go to. dixie highway. And March hundred strong to Ellesmere, when it happens in Westchester with chief of police, Earth's hers, August. This is a fabulous job in Westchester. The goal is to take the movement. into the suburbs to make those in the suburbs. In a sense feel a bit uncomfortable. So, that's the goal now hasn't worked. Well. Many would look towards sixty eight sixty nine seventy that it will not work because when I speak to high schools and grade, schools, and others and I talk about the way I grew up Xavier University, which is a great university and sixty, sixty, eight, sixty, nine seventy. They looked at me like there is glazed over. Are you kidding me? You mean like National Guard units and GPS running around Dana Avenue and on Fountain Score. Score, you mean. There were buildings on the campus that actually burned down. You mean large parts of the black community burned down caused by the protest I became writes. The answer was absolutely yes. I think your friend. Richard K Jones said the other day. If you want to know what's in the future, take a look over your shoulder. 'cause already happened, and that is so true, and now the movement has come to a disturbing. slogan which is to fund the police. In Fact Hillary Clinton's twenty sixteen press secretary. Brian Fallon tweeted quote defined the police unquote. To Fund the police unquote that means to not give money the city council in the city of Cincinnati or low, Ville or Columbus Dayton or Toledo or Cleveland or Indianapolis all cities completely controlled by Democrats and had been controlled by Democrats for decades. They fully implemented their philosophies inside those areas. When I talk about the murder of captain. David doernen Saint Louis. Forty. Year veteran African American captain guarding a pawn shop, a friend of his shot in the head and murdered his funeral was held, and no one knew much about the name David Dorn. How he lived his life did not. Did Not break in for his funeral. no-one knelt down to commemorate the sacrifice of Captain David doernen Saint Louis when he gave his life as many other officers around the country have given their lives to pass two or three weeks to guard the property and persons of African Americans and others. There funerals are not mentioned. Names are known in fact I believe in the last two or three days in the city Cincinnati. There's been to more African Americans. Killed by other African. Americans and if that cannot be used by the media to promote their agenda, it's completely ignored their names. When we lost a history quickly, their funerals would take place every year in America. There's about seven thousand black men who kill seven thousand other black men. In every year in America, there's something in the range of five hundred thousand black babies aborted. All those things do not matter to the radical left. That they will use an event because it promotes their calls no-one. Including Yours. Truly can justify the behavior. Minneapolis police that resulted in the death of George. Floyd no one can say that the man who did it including his three. Accomplices should not spend a long long period of time in jail now. Officer Derek Calvin is number, one does other three. Two of them were somewhat newbies likely spend decades in jail and Derek Chavan is forty two years old. forty-three is likely not to come out of jail at all and I can't say he deserves to go to prison for a very long time in not only killed that man. He tortured him to death. No question. But other murders take place equally vicious. And they don't get media coverage because it doesn't advance the media's philosophy of what needs to happen in this country to completely change. And so we go on and. We live in difficult times. When you have protesters metastasized in the suburbs and a peaceful fashion. There's nothing wrong with that. There is absolutely nothing wrong with marching down dixie highway in going into ellesmere going into Westchester going to Montgomery. That's fine. That's part as part of what makes us Americans to make your viewpoint heard. However, it depends on what your viewpoint is as to whether the media complimented, our criticizes it. And this feeds in nicely to the covert nineteen panic. About eleven twelve days into the demonstrations just here in Cincinnati. Northern Kentucky Louisville Columbus about twelve days into it. We were told by the medical experts. That the incubation period of covid nineteen is four fourteen days. We're getting near the end of one. The hospitals should be inundated with Cova nineteen patients if what they told us was true if they weren't lying to us about covert nineteen, which might be no more difficult than the regular flu and other. Sorts of pathogens called Corona viruses and may not be. We're being told now. That congregating is dangerous if you're a business owner if you're planning a wedding if you attend church if you want to swim if you're a barber or a hairstylist. Congregating is dangerous. However depending on your political 'cause liberals who run holler shout and scream at cops any each other putting aerosol. spittle across several feet and yards. That's not dangerous. That's okay. And so how's it possible that we live in a society where congregating depends upon your political viewpoint that the virus knows the difference between a business owner or church attendee on one hand or a liberal on the other? Is that possible? This covid nineteen know who to attack and who not to attack. So the point is. The Great American may be at a point to say the entire covert nineteen scare was nothing more or less than a massive political slash medical fraud perpetrated upon us by experts who were determined to fundamentally change the way the country lives is organizing govern. I'm not prepared as of this Monday to make that statement. Today's what June eighth. But come a few more days at the end of the week, if fourteen to twenty days go by, and the ambulances are not lined up Christ hospital, and you see medical continues to be empty, and that saint es doesn't have any covert patients at all. It demonstrates to me that the political and the medical establishment got together and wanted to pass rose regulations that they knew, or should known had nothing to do with covert nineteen zero. And the scared to death, Americans who continue to live their lives, as if we're in some pandemic or sold a bill of goods and its ally. They have some old American. Frail elderly and their eighties or nineties. Living in a nursing home, dying covert nineteen with tubes down her throat, you can't even talk and our and our friends and our family. Her daughters and her sons cannot even visit a dying grandmother. And then the government says including Mike Dewine get out there and protests yellen each other's face. Get Your spittle air saw all over police. That's okay is disgusting. This what I WANNA do. We have a guest coming up after one o'clock. Carl Lewis is scheduled eminent criminal defense attorney I want to get your reaction especially. If you're one of the ones marching as tiff was this weekend as to why you did it, and what the goal is. I will not yell at went up. Berate what I, WanNa do is hear your viewpoint. I listen to Iris Rolling this morning with Scott Sloan her viewpoint. And Freedom of speech is fine as long as the opinion you express is an accord with my own, but if not, if it's not in accord. If you don't respond appropriately, you will be attacked. But when American businesses publicly? Take positions. They're telling a large numbers of their customers. You're not welcome here. Now I don't care if you're a pizza parlor or not are. The bengals if you take a position that in uniform at work, our employees that is our players can make political standpoint since political viewpoints public do not be surprised when other customers who simply go to watch a football game. Does, not want to be part of a black lives matter protest. Continue Twelve. Your calls, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand or pound, seven, hundred hundred eighteen T. my airwaves are yours on newsradio seven hundred wwl W meal. I fully Cunningham before I. Turn things over to you. I WanNa, hear Brian Combs. You said it again. New York State Indiana. The lowest infection rates, a covert nineteen, since March three months. We're in the midst now of massive protests, not riots, but protests in which hundreds of thousands March yell Holler and scream many without masks of anytime, not following any of the rules. And the infection rate is going down. Mike DeWine. I guess going to speak tomorrow. Two o'clock gives us a tutorial on racism in Ohio, which is awful, bad thing and one. It's employed. It's terrible for the objects of that. I WANNA. Hear him say that I was wrong in March when I shut down American society at least in Ohio because I believe things, turn out not to be true. It's incredible. Stay at home orders issued by Dr Amy Aktin, saying you are to be incarcerated in your own home. Don't go outside in April and May by the way. The weather april-may wasn't too bad. There were many occasions to go outside. Stay outside. And many were too terrorized to seek treatment for heart disorders, heart, attacks and strokes, and they're unable to schedule cancer screening treatments that would cost thousands of lives down the road, which is head. We were told that a pneumatic carriers are highly contagious that simply leave. This is such a horrible disease that those who have it. Don't even know the habit. But. It's still contagious. How's that true? Then? There's been numerous studies since then. There's no a dramatic transfer, but those aren't talking about the media at all. We were told that everyone has to wear a mask. Then we were told not to wear a mask. Then we were told to wear a mask and now we're told not to wear a mask. Actual doctors reported that people would survive Wuhan. Virus were still communicable. They were still infected. Even if you're headed, you're still going to get your. We're GONNA. Die. and May I continue to get to my point. We faced her and measures that the infection rate in states that did not follow the rules what skyrocket. And stage to follow the rules what plummet just the opposite happened. New York, for example had a draconian shutdown that was the worst place to be Connecticut Rhode Island of the Blue States Illinois Chicago Terrible, terrible shutdown, Florida Texas and Ohio. Did Not, have much of an infection rate at all Texas and Georgia and Florida. Released the totalitarian controls, the scientists and Media Wolf Blitzer said. It was a killing field on the beaches of Florida that killing field. The beaches of Florida and entire state of Florida. There's been three transmissions per one hundred thousand in the general population. And the name of Public Health Dr Amy, Acton and Mike Dewine said the conglomerates like Costco and Walmart were allowed to continue operations while small business owners all around them, trying to survive or shut down by government law. You cannot operate activities run by sole proprietors like nail salons, barbershops targeted in particular churches for those going Sunday morning services. And he shares going to write down your license plate number and look you up later on. The. Clergy largely went along with. Visiting. The sick and elderly was completely forbidden. That means your grandmother will die alone and a nursing home possibly infect it would covert nineteen with tubes duck down her throat, and she could not look upon the eyes of her son or daughter issue met her maker that the governor said you cannot go to a nursing home, wearing a mask and gloves six feet, separating from your mom, watching her die in a nursing home, she will die alone in that nursing home. Would Tube stuck down her throat? Police forces were used to disperse mourners at funerals. The police went to funerals and said stop what you're doing in separate because if you get together rogue on a diet covert nineteen. It goes on and on and on now we discover the whole thing was a fraud and it was a lie. Perpetrated by the news media by medical officials and by government officials. Once again, let me state loud proud and says. The. Virus scare was nothing more or less than a massive fraud perpetuated upon you, the American people by experts who were determine the fundamentally change. America to their way of thinking, and is evidence of that. You heard Brian Comb say ten minutes ago. There is no covert nineteen scare one hundreds of thousands march around. City streets protesting police violence police brutality. All of us are against police, brutality and police violence. All of us are against what happened to George. Floyd others who've been wrongfully killed at the hands of police, which does happen and occurs all the time, and if we wait till police, brutality ends to stop the movement. It'll never end because police brutality will exist as long as the earth. Exists police. Brutality will exist. We can pass laws saying don't commit murder. Don't commit domestic violence. We can pass laws that says you have to pay child support, but people violate laws all the time including officer Derek Chalvin. Many officers violate the law all the time and I'll never stop. So when you congregate to protest something, the media favors. They don't hold the same rules to you as you want to open up. A barbershop salon opened up a mom and pop store like Jeff Ruby Steakhouse, and that cases multitude of rules and regulations and cost. You GotTa go through I've head on many of the restaurant owners. Sank. We're shattered broken. I. Don't know if we can recover. It's GonNa. Be Expensive going to be long. I had a wonderful dinner with Charlie bledsoe, a Carlo and Janis. It looks somewhat full, but the place doesn't know. Restaurant currently has the same feeling of joy and happiness that it had before because we've been sold a bill of goods to believe something exists when it doesn't. If it did exist right now we have an explosion of covert nineteen cases with all the body to body contact, and with all the mass, not being worn in the protest, and the spittle, being air sold as a yell and scream and shout at police constantly. Everywhere, but it's not happening and lastly before I. Turn Things over to you. Friend of mine rented out a Bagel. Hall one of those US places to hold weddings in a bank would center, and of course these things are scheduled six months in advance, invited two hundred and seventy five people and You know what brides and grooms go through with. The moms go through and the dads go through. It's a big business. Thinking of the businesses supported by the wedding industry. It's gigantic whether it's linens and food whether it's metal ware, whether it's the costumes, or whether it's whether it's two gallons whether it's a little boy, little girl with a Tuxedo coming up in the dress with the flower. It's a huge industry. And of course Mike Dewine, and all governors, basically most of them shut down the wedding industry, because you couldn't get together and congregate about and so. These things are planned in his case for June sixth. Because the bride's grandfather fought in World War Two, it was of the one hundred and four hundred fifty thousand soldiers, the storm, the beaches of Normandy, and he died about ten years ago, but that was a treasure date in his mind because he lived, some of his buddies were killed, but he lived June sixth, nineteen, forty four, they picked to get married on June, sixth, twenty, twenty and a banquet hall. You know the preparation. If you go through one of these things and I love the fact when I'm not invited to a wedding, I, don't want to go anymore weddings. Maybe fifty of them. That's enough I. DON'T WANNA go to wedding, but nonetheless about three weeks. He was he contacted banquet center and said Look I. Don't know if they said I understand. We can't do it. We don't know what the rules are going to be and right now you still couldn't you know the rules are still ten or more believing out which is a bunch of crap? But nonetheless they cancelled the wedding that had the price tag, or about seventy five thousand dollars attached to it, and many friends and family couldn't go the industry. The small businesses supported by that operation that's one of thousands of events happening all over the area canceled because of the fear. Fear Cove at nineteen, so they had a small gathering in the back of their home in the yard. There was fifteen people which is a little more than allowed by the governor. You know you can't have more than ten to have fifty, no more than fifteen, and of course. If you WANNA have a big wedding, you can have a wedding now. That changed about ten days ago, but you can't. You can't plan that quickly, but you can have a wedding, but. You have to have socially distant gotta be six feet apart. You can't stand at the bar I think brides can dance with groom's because there'll be dancing with their clothes off anywhere in about two hours. But Nonetheless Part of the process is a party. People are mixing. People are dancing there in their Sunday finest in. The groom. The bride throws the flower over shoulder and the neck. All that crap goes on, and it's all fun right because it's a party. It's a celebration of that couple and their family. All was canceled. So I saw him on Sunday some event. And he's not a good friend of mine. Who Use he? Let me tell you what effort went through on Saturday we went through canceling on that. We lost thousands of dollars because we had a prepay. They're going to give us a credit. We'll see what happens down the road. The governor said we can't have weddings, and if we do have weddings has to be congregated in a certain way, so why get married at all? Because that's not the. It doesn't make sense. And then he goes home on Saturday night and watches literally. Tens of thousands violate the governor's orders marching around the streets of Cincinnati violating directly the orders. And nothing happens. In fact there complimented their praised. Practically every television news reports about these noble protesters, and who's against police brutality Tommy. That person no way we agree with their goals. And now now this couple, and they're just one of thousands around the state that had big event scheduled, and they follow the rules because they were told they couldn't congregate. And when they were finally changed the rules, it would make the wedding meaningless if you couldn't do all the things associated with it. So all of these events were canceled, but watching on TV canceled the protest, and by the way I mentioned this to match time in my producer. If a bunch of US maybe ten or twenty of us want to protest, saying unborn lives matter. And we wanted to shut down vine street for several days. Forget about the rioting. That's a different category. Could I take my political costs though I care deeply about and shutdown, interstate highways and shutdown vine, Street and takeover Fountain Square without a license and do. Whatever the Hell I wanNA. Do goes a my calls that I believe in what would happen to me. What would happen to match diamond? He'd have his ass arrested because you'll never permit and who isn't legal to March up and down Vine Street every night every afternoon. Is that legal? Can you go to main street? Can you go to found score without? Is that legal? The answer is no. You can't do that. So, how come protesters can do one rule for them the rest of the rules for? Congregating is dangerous for business, owners, brides, and grooms, swimmers and church, attendees and barber shop owners, but not dangerous liberals who protest police brutality not permits required. Shut down the streets. Everybody marches with them. I'd like to hear Dewine address tomorrow two o'clock how we have rules for some. and. Different rules for others based upon the political calls that you're promulgating whether or not the media agrees with the media viciously attacked those who, on beaches in Florida and Georgia when Brian Kemp, the governor of Georgia opened up the state. Of Georgia it was called a killing field, and it was a racial incident and Atlanta, because so many of the residents of Atlanta are African American that Stacey aprons and other set including the mayor of Atlanta that Brian, camp was trying to kill black folks Atlanta by opening up the state, all the stories or other stories now about no outbreak, a Cova nineteen and states that open up earlier doing. Doing better than states that did not open up early. Ohio is not doing as well as Georgia Florida and Texas. We have a governor captured by the wiles of Dr. Amy Act and paying attention to her instead of paying attention to us, and why is it okay then without permits for tens of thousands of March and Dayton Cincinnati Columbus and Cleveland. When the governor is saying, you will be arrested if you leave your home, you will be arrested if you open a business, but if you march to protest police brutality, you will not be arrested. You'll be complemented and lecture to about the evils of racism which we all agree with. Me Off. I. Don't get it I don't understand it. And I pray at some point. We come back to our senses. There was never a need for a lockdown. As proven by the lack of infections, because of the protests, there was never a need to wear masks. In fact I've statements who and Anthony FAUCI telling us not to wear a mask now. If you don't wear a master in some situations, you're frowned upon. There was never a need to shudder churches and synagogues and mosques. There was never a need to forbid weddings and public funerals and baptisms. baptisms in graduations. There was never a need for any of that. All these high school kids in college kids should have had their graduation ceremonies, but it was barred by the governor because of the passage of the virus because of close contact, but it doesn't apply to the protesters. There was never a need for elderly Americans to die alone with to shoved down their throat and pain, and their kids forbidden to visit them in their. Their last hour, that was never required and we did it anyway. There was never a need for any of the pain and the hardship that these frauds and politicians have inflicted upon us the least we can do now. Ignore them going forward. How can anybody maintained Kentucky not to open swimming pools? Coney island's open on Friday thousands of marching all over Louisville and Lexington. Andy Bushehr. WHO's a clown keeps assuming pools close. All. Right, let me continue. Take some of your calls, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand pounds, seven, hundred, new at and T. and lastly. When you talk about institutional racism and Cincinnati. Irish Rowley! WHO's in charge of the institutions, Cincinnati? They are liberals and mainly African American liberals. COMPL- There will not be in my lifetime, another white Republican male elected to any big position in Hamilton County, maybe other than Joe Dealers, but certainly the city of Cincinnati there will not be any. More because the institution is controlled by Elliott Isaac and by Patru Haney, and by Harry Black, and by Chief Blackwell and chief James Craig by Mark Mallory and controlled by. By John Cranley who was embarrassed by the conduct of protesters at Salazar's on Saturday that philosophy they're in charge of the institution, and if there is institutional racism. Those in charge of the institution are responsible. Do you think chief of Police Isaac is a clown of fool and a racist is Adrian Man. Of course he isn't. He's doing the best he can. If he saw racism in Cincinnati and the police division institutionally or otherwise, he would shout it out if Patrick. Manager Sol racism, it'd be on top of the world's tallest mountain, complaining about it, if any of the half a dozen or more judges and Aminu County, who are black, Republican and Democrats saw racism institutionally. They would shout about it. There is racism it will always exist. It's Senate crime, but it's not institutionally inculcated inside the institutions to controlled by African Americans. Let's take a short break I'll take some calls next two, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand. There's never a need never has been a need. For the elderly die alone with to shoved down their throat, and their kids forbidden to see them in the last few hours, it was a matter controlled, and the fact that governors were wrong in March now. They're doubling down there stupidity because they don't can't admit they were wrong and they're wrong. If there's not a massive uptick in covert nineteen by the end of this week in the hospitals, we knew it was a lie. It was alive when it began its ally. Now will always be ally. They lied. Continue Bill Cunningham newsradio seven hundred wwl. Arts. Do! Bows them all. into. The baby. Amid A. Pad. Billy Cunningham the great American thousands on hold, millions or listening, but I wanted to have a word or two with Carl Lewis not the great sprinter, but Eminent Criminal Defense attorney in Cincinnati and Carl Lewis Welcome again in the Bill Cunningham show and Carl, how are you? I am fantabulous. Thank you so much, my friend and all your great. Great Great, great hero American hero and great man. Every time I'm invited by day just better even for the stormy Tornado Day. You make me smile. Sounds like it sounds like a song but Carl. Let's talk about a couple legal issues. Eminent mine is yours. I made a point earlier today that if somebody wants to get a permit to shut down, Vine Street tomorrow and over the Rhine Found Square. Whatever there's an application process you go through. They used to make you post them insurance or shirty bond. They got rid of that. Is it legal for individuals on their own in large numbers show up and marched up and down Vine Street without a permit to shut down businesses and shut down the highway. Well that's a compound question. It may be violating one of our city ordinances or the respect, the city where you may be, but I would have to check each and every municipal ordinance to think, but in the Times that we have today. Laws are changing, and they change time I don't know of anyone would enforce violation. Because of the climate that we're in right now, but I believe again not having looked at the statute or municipal ordinance that you're supposed to get a permit in order to hold a rally on event, but I believe that they're looking the other way right now and different that respect to the first amendment rights. When those rights apply to right to life of right to life members, one thousand strong wanted to protest what they view as the killing of unborn babies, unborn babies lives matter because they simply agree to accumulate somewhere. Just shut down Vine street main street over the Rhine of two thousand show up to support gun rights. You know the under the Second Amendment with those rights be given the same equality as these other rights. I believe that the city of Cincinnati and anyone that would want avoid an ACL litigation. Let's say you know what let's just let it go right now. If he gets out of hand, we're going to have to have equal application of the rules and the regulations, but again there are exceptions to every rule, but I believe you're absolutely right. You are supposed to get bit to hold on route now. One would argue that wait a minute. You didn't make lives matter. You didn't make men in suits. You didn't make whoever do it. So why are you making us do it? I think it's GonNa be on a case by case basis. Right now secondly, we were told by by the governor of Ohio Mike DeWine, who's a friend of mine who has lost his way completely in my opinion that there could be no public gatherings of greater than ten for long periods of time. A friend of mine at a bank would send her. Wedding scheduled on June the sixth, because it was an important date, because her grandfather had had stormed the beaches of Normandy obviously live, some of his compatriots and arms died, and over the last few weeks it had to be cancelled because of the lockdown from the governor. Then you couldn't be gatherings a greater than ten. He down to open up weddings about a week ago. It was too late to get it back on. Because the wedding will not be a wedding they had to keep everybody six feet apart. There could be. Be No dancing. There could be no coming together. Maybe the bride and the groom could come together, but God knows about that, either you couldn't sit at a stand at a bar had to sit down all these rules applied to a public gathering. So this father then goes home after a fifteen person wedding at a friend's house. They used a bigger yard. He went to a friend's house and a Gazebo outback. They went there. Only fifteen people came then watches the public gatherings and Cincinnati, in which tens of thousands are marching around. Using Aerosol spittle toward police officers, yelling and screaming at each other, shouting next to each other many without masks, and he asked me the question. Do I have a lawsuit against somebody when obviously followed the rules and Kinda ruined my daughter's wedding, which is typical funerals and other things, but then I watch on TV the complete, ignoring the governor's laws about six feet apart, and not yelling at people that kind of stuff, spittle and air assaulting this a lawsuit. A very very good chance of filing a lawsuit whether or not it would survive. Summary Judgment is another question. Team makes a very good point, but what? I've been telling individuals that they're protesting at their own peril in terms of their health, but it's a very very valid point that this individual was not able to have. The wedding was not able to make those memory just as we have not been able to gather churches, but again they protested their pero whether or not he has a lawsuit until the legislative modify qualified immunity as you well know. It may be difficult. Who's he gonNA, sue the banquet halls. It was following the governor's. Dwi Point. Now third late there are three police officers involved in the murder of. Mr Floyd, and of the main perpetrator. WHO'S A police trainer? Derek Calvin. was in charge of training. One Cop, the african-american cop. This was literally his third shift. And the other guy was new and the third one. The Asian fellow had been on for about three or four years. Now. Each of them are charged with the same offence, which is murder in the second degree in minute under Minnesota Law. The three of them are charged as Co conspiritors. And do they have the same legal culpability as Derek Chavan for the murder of George Floyd? Well, let's let's examine that from where we sit in terms of Ohio law I in charge as a co-conspirator complicitous, they are held to the same standard now as I've been having this debate and discussion and dialogue with a lot of people, not nearly as intelligent as you are. They need to understand that a jury is peculiar. Group of individuals, we don't know when we're waiting on that verdict. No matter how strong we've been now how four so we've been and zealously advocated for our client, what a jury or juror is going to be hung up on. I truly believe that they're all the same standard. If it's like Ohio loss, don't know what the laws. Are there in Minnesota but I'm sure that they're probably comparable. We don't know what you're GONNA. Say let's look at it from this perspective. Robert Prosecuting, the case and defensive. Hey, this individual only been on the force three nights to night. Would you allow individuals to take out? A gun shoots someone in the head, while in uniform I forced on the police force, and then say oh. They don't have been a an officer three. That's not gonNA fly. GonNa give something to think about, but I truly believe they're going to get convictions. A lot of people believe that it's gotTa. Be Honduras, but I believe given the climate. That this is affected people worldwide, it's opened up the land for everyone to see. MINNEAPOLIS MINNESOTA IS GONNA be on the. I've just been out, but the world is GonNa, be very very difficult for them to get what I believe. Acquittals I think they're going to be convicted. Sad Day for those officers, the two officers they're on their nights. Follow the lead of their field training officer. But you know what when you put on that uniform, you pick that up to protect and serve, not take life. They're going to have to suffer the consequences. Under, Minnesota Law, a second-degree murder results when he person kills out of an intense emotional response or impulse, additionally killing sometimes during a drive by shooting for example killing during the commission of a crime that is not a sexual assault or a killing. Sedentary murder has a maximum penalty of forty years in jail. Third degree murder, which is a lesser offense is is is the murder of another caused by depraved. Mind the charge can arise when a person fires a gun into a crowd without intending to kill particular person, and so it looks to me. Second second-degree murder might apply because he's specifically intended the consequences of his actions by torturing and killing George Floyd. This was not a case where he did not intend to kill him I. think no reasonable person could have survived that Carl Lewis if you were underneath Darin childs, knee is good a shape as you're in which the cops on your body I. Don't think anybody could have survived nine minutes of that. I don't I don't agree with your analysis at all, but I disagree what see what the end result, unfortunately I believe that the jury is GonNa Convict the third degree, not second degree for me when I look at the stats language that you resume the second degree, would apply to the masses that are Sri me. Give them a maximum gives us a maximum, but when you look at the officers actions I'm sure their defense is GonNa be. The Way I was trained. I've employed this tactic before. The pressure of my weight, I, I was only trying to subdue the individuals. Was it reckless disregard? Yes, wasn't something I. Should not have been done yet. I believe they're going to get third degree, but that second degree. Murder Minnesota can be charged when they defended intentionally kills another human being, but the murder is not premeditated in which she malls over the means and methods of death, second-degree murder results when a person kills out of an intense emotional response or impulse and office US Chalvin did not look too intense. He looked at Blah's. He looked like man. This is. He didn't look like he was at all. Emotionally high, but third degree occurs when a person for example may have the intent to kill its depraved depraved heart or a mind. A personal stars, and so I think that may apply more in Minnesota Law. It didn't look in different. It looked like he kind of had a depraved heart. Well we, we're probably so made in. Forgive me for anything I don't WANNA. Make you to be what the? Beginning of some shit is my concern, though is, we think that the braves are mean someone who is just ARATU connected out of complete. Utter emotion does not mean this person didn't have the braveheart looking at officer. Something was going on in his mind. He could get his two subordinates to get him off. He couldn't get the other officer trying to deal with the crowds and get him off, didn't get their to having removing leg or D.. There was something depraved about his actions on that day. That's why I truly believe. The jury's got convicted thirty three and also gives your way out in twenty five years or more in jail. Sentence for man in his forties, that's just to be seventy. He's not gonNA. Make it a seventy and I can see them. Maybe often. A deal to two of the three of the other guys I agree and I and I didn't think statute twenty five more up to twenty five. It's up to twenty-five, but then there's other offenses also charge dereliction of duty. Some other stuff that could, you can make consecutive. Yeah, I don't believe that. They. Put it this way. The wheels of justice their journey now organic say listen. This guy is going to get light. That's really what I'm. The masses are screaming for. Based upon the charge based upon what I believe, the evidence is GonNa show just what we seem to that video. There could be more. We don't know what else is out there or the defenses are or what the efforts are going to say. This individual will probably get up to twenty five years and. Thin the methods again. We have to look at the deterrent factor, but as you are a great trial lawyer. We don't know what all the evidence is going to be. Know. What's GonNa be what? What did this guy have? A manual or manuscript or sometimes? Diary? Says Today's the day that I go out and do this why I'm so sick and tired of the job. We don't know what's in his heart, and whether that comes into play so for me I believe it's easy for the jury to come down thirty three more difficult on second degree based on what we're seeing right now. Carl Lewis I'll ask very sensitive question I'll beat around the bush. Don't get to the heart of the matter many times Colonel Criminal Defense attorneys put on trial the victim. because. Create Jurors minds the idea that maybe the person wasn't as. As much as a victim as the prosecution may point out. And George Floyd's Casey. Shall we say had according to the medical examiner had methamphetamine in system. He had remnants of heroin in a system. And then he also had a times, a nasty previous criminal record that resulted in being in the state penitentiary for many years before out now. You've already answered. This question that is, you will not represent Derek Chalvin, if called upon, you will not represent them and I fully understand why you wouldn't. Could you see criminal defense attorneys and a sense putting on trial George Floyd instead of defending Derek Chalvin. Would it be dangerous to attack the previous criminal record of George Floyd and what he was doing with Methamphetamine and heroin extract and the system would that be dangerous for a defense lawyer to do, or should it be required to give an adequate defense of of Derek Chalvin? Strategy say that we're in the war room, trying to figure out how we want to approach this case in terms of defense. Giving what you're saying right now with the peaceful protests, sometimes peaceful protests the worldwide response. Do you really want to paint this the floor? No. There's no way he wants no. No No. Right now no country it saying that a person who is addicted to heroin fitting all needs to be what? In Eighty Rehab after that re absolutely not you go down, not go down that road. No Way Day is kind of like attacking a female who's been raped in claim that her behavior causes the rapists to attack her. That's extremely dangerous to go down that road. Because there's a dead end right, there, man, you can't go after George Floyd is extremely sympathetic i. don't care who he was and what? What he had done, he should not have been murdered and tortured that day, but I've heard some of my defense. Brethren talk about on on court TV. Well, you always put on trial the victim, but in this case boy, it's got some dangers. You know what I defended some individuals years ago on Dogfighting River, those cases they never the Michael Vick situation where they were taking dogs and find. Yours were repulsed by the way they retreated those dogs. We're talking about a man. Human being WHO's laying on the ground with the neo naked screaming for the season mother Mama Mama. You know you're in. There's no way there's no way you try to attack him. Because then ended today, you're going to be vilified. No question in the jury may hold it against you and convicted client. Would you represent one of those other three coppers other than Derek Chalvin? I would have trouble representing all of them I. Would I understand? They have everything concerned for those officers that were on the forest two or three days because they're they're. They're corn. What do you do and again? This is an ongoing debate. You are not sending that uniform shoes there when you say shit and we turn the guy over. You know this isn't right. We should be doing this, but you also that field training officer, telling you stop, you will do this, or you won't be an officer that a very very very difficult place to be and could not defend them at the side, but I understand where they're how they feel, and what would go onto their mind. Colonel Lewis. Have you suffered from racial discrimination in your life? Yeah? Give me an example. I think I may have shared this with you. on one of your previous stations We were talking. I was in the Great Commonwealth of Kentucky. Defend the African, American man on murder charges against a Caucasian victim of the white female victim, and as I was leaving one of the pre trial hearings as your listeners may or may not know prior to a trial there numerous pretrial hearings forever injury issues. What can come in? Command scheduling whatever you may have. And when I arrived at the Commonwealth building, they went into the courthouse Understood, that there is some concern. Kurt Park Phelps from the victim's family, but I was told by individuals who? Will Talk, as out african-americans I've tried to get on the elevator with him boy. It wouldn't be smart for you to get on the elevator right now. The wow, that's I feel like I'm just trying to go down boy! Let me tell you again. You're black. Men knocked on this elevator. Good for you so. Your black ass days off this elevator. And that for me. What's clearly racial wasn't that? I was an Atari wasn't that I was. Getting my client. It was because I was an African American. You know why that is an individuals working on the case. As on the case was Caucasian, they said nothing to him if he got on the elevator. When I was practicing with less gains, secretary got a call from a white defendant, and said on one end of those black lawyers representing the white one. So she. So, she came back and told me that and I walk down the hallway to see less and speed up on the desk and his suspenders as white shirt and hat was off, and he looked at me and said cousin Willie. It matters not the color of skin color remains money. Charge him twice as much and take the case. He said one thing though cousin Willie when he comes in. Bring them to my office I. said I said You got that right, so he came in I. Forget what it was probably seven fifty I charged him fifteen hundred, and I walked him down the hallway. and. And I said I want you to meet the head of law firm, Lese gains less was one six, three about two, eighty, five, and this those white guy from Bethel. Any shook hands with them, and the guy almost knelt down the white guy meltdown. His his hand was being crushed, and he said unless said it's a pleasure to have you here in the firm. It matters not the culliver man skin. Charge him twice as much in case. My friend well words of wisdom. Carlos's the best there is and God bless you and God bless America. Thank you, God bless you and your family and your listeners. Thank you so much, thank you, Carl Lewis. Let's continue with more despite Matt's protestations. I will take calls next on news radio seven hundred WWL W! Fully integrate American. There were two African Americans killed over the weekend. Cincinnati. You know their names. Whether it'd be protest, other lives valuable to them into their family. Or they killed involving and criminal activity, doing other things I don't. Simply. A one line entry one has been identified. One is not simply be lost in the Sea of other debts and urban areas that are not useful to the media or the politicians to use to advance their agenda. The Fox News is put together a list of of seventeen that have died since George. Floyd was murdered. As of today, the informed tally shows seventeen people who died an incident stemming from the unrest, following Floyd's May. Twenty fifth death details in some of the cases remain murky floyd, a black man who have been arrested died after White Minneapolis police officer nailed on his neck for more than eight minutes, ignoring his pleas that he couldn't breathe and my viewpoint and it was a torture killing. that was one. At that point in the last in the last two days to in Cincinnati their names, you're lost. Do. You know the name Captain David Dorn. Seventy, seven years old retired Saint Louis Police captain spent forty years forty years as a cop and Saint Louis. He was loved. You went to a pawnshop to check on. A burglar alarm was gunned down. His. Murderer on videotape has been arrested. Do you know the name David, Dorn? About David T fifty-three-year-old owner of a barbecue restaurant was shot and killed on June first and Louisville police in the National Guard. Troops trying to clear a crowd when they heard gunshots, then returned fire. The mayor fired the police chief after finding out the officers did not turn on their body worn cameras US attorney, investigating, but David Makati's dead Chris Beatty thirty eight years old, played football for Indiana University, was known as Mister Indianapolis was shot and killed on the streets of downtown, Indianapolis on May thirtieth during a protest. COPS have not given a lot of information about Mr Indianapolis. don't know. According to media accounts. He was helping to women who are being mugged when one of the armed robbers shot him. During mural is eighteen years old was fatally shot in Annapolis on the same night. As beatty cops say the man who shot him, Tyler Newby, twenty nine, told police shooting after he and friend found a gas canister on the ground. They were walking around downtown after the protest. newbie said he was pushed to the ground and saw mural standing over him, so he shot bureau one once in the head. Italia Kelly was twenty two shot and killed June. First and Davenport Iowa. She was leaving a protest outside of a Walmart. And appears robbery was the motive because of the jewelry she had on. The perpetrators have not been identified. Marquees Taunt twenty-three of rock. Island Illinois, was shot and killed in Devonport the same night is Kelly. He was found dead. We're please say one or more persons far thirteen shots into an unmarked police truck, investigating a suspicious car in the alley. Dead Patrick Officer Patrick Underwood fifty three years old federal officer died. Is he was providing security US courthouse in Oakland during a protest when someone pulled up motion toward the car, and someone pulled out a revolver and shot officer. Underwood and he's dead. The other officer who also was black is continues to be in critical condition, not expected to survive. forty-three year old Black Man Calvin Horton Junior was shot outside of Minneapolis Pawn shop on May twenty seven two days after Floyd's death. A fifty nine year old was booked in jail and. Of murder and then released investigation continues. Jamie SC Erlich twenty two year old black man was killed Saturday after thirty say Tulsa with the owner of to downtown bars surveillance video. The strip of bar shows that a group of people including spurlock approach to white bar owner j Gardner. And authorities declined to press charges on the death. the two people with the future deceit. Push the white bar owner J garnered the ground. SPURLOCK was one of the three police ruled it with self defense, because one of those other three hoodlums had with them a gun. Davar Herald Twenty one year old was killed in downtown Detroit on June fifth after someone foul shots in new vehicle during a protest. Detroit police have released photos of Harold suspected killer. A man surgical mask dark hoodie. Barry Perkins Twenty nine years old of Saint Louis, who was killed on May thirtieth after climbing between two trailers of a Fedex truck. May I go on page after page after page. I'm halfway through the list and said Fox News plus two unidentified lueders killed Tuesday breaking into a gun shop. After a protest in Philadelphia, the man was shot and killed by the owner of the gun shop Greg Isabella. Who said he saw a group of looters on his surveillance camera. Breaking a padlock on a gate with bolt cutters he goes to his business and time suspected looter was killed investigations pending so the point. Is this black lives matter? Not, those only the ones used by the news media. And by Democrats to promote an agenda, but all black lives matter including the seven thousand every year killed by the black men. And it's Wall Street. Journal pointed out several days ago. That statistically numerically mathematically police are twice as likely. I said twice as likely shoot, someone, white and someone black. and. The great majority are returning fire by that I mean the police. There's no question that the shootings were justified because there's a lot of video going on, and you can see the perpetrator firing a gun or getting ready to shoot and the police fire so statistically factually, you're more likely to be shot by police if you're white and black. Now the argument is six times more white people and black people, but in reality as as those urban departments come in contact with it's about fifty fifty or more black than white, so the opposite should be true, but it isn't in play with numbers, or you want every year in America about one thousand civilians are killed by police by every description. And others one thousand. Fifty, five percent are white, twenty seven percent or black and the rest are Hispanic Asian others so if there's an epidemic of police violence in America, if there's racism. It does not hold up the argument that blacks are being targeted by anybody. Because the majority of people killed by cops are white, and of course, facts don't matter. Let's take some calls an almost spend the rest of the show for the next hour and ten minutes to getting your reaction to my comments and those of Carl Lewis. We have two lines open to five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven thousand. Seven hundred eighteen t and I stand foursquare with the proposition and opposition to police, brutality and police violence. It is wrong needs to be investigated and is appropriate charge. No question about black lives matter all black lives matter. Let's go to Chuck, William, and then Bertha Chuck welcome to the Bill Cunningham show chuck go ahead. Can you put on your defense attorney hat real quick and I run something past you. Hold on a minute. I got. Here is many Annapolis police departments use of force policy. You can find it on the city of Minneapolis as website which I'm sure, the mayor and the City Council of had opper-. -tunities to see that Senate is on their website since April sixteenth two thousand twelve, so they had eight years to review this policy I found in ten minutes. Here is the use of force regarding. Neck restraints and check hold show codes okay. Only sworn police who have received training from the in PD training unit are authorized use neck restraints. The NPD authorizes two types of neck restraints conscious next restraints in unconscious nitrates. Well, what is the neck? Restraint is defined as compressing one or both sides of the person's neck with an arm or leg without applying direct pressure to the trachea or airway. Then it goes into what a conscious neck restraint is in an unconscious necker, straight and then conscious next straight is a self. Restraint with the intention of rendering the person conscious by applying adequate pressure. Isn't that what he did? Well according to the coroner, there was an original corners report that he did not die of as fix you and then there's the subsidy subsequent coroner's report that the neck was restrained to such an extent, it was a contributing factor along with the methamphetamine, defensible and general physical condition, and as as I discuss with Carl Lewis on and off the air. That's going to be the key element of. Of the defense and other words did he have a depraved heart that he's specifically intend to cause death, whether other factors intervene and causes that broken, and his lawyer is going to say look I've read that about about ten days ago. I read that and they changed that policy. Cincinnati does not have that Policy Minneapolis does and so if he was following the rules as trained by him. To him from the authorities, and he was in a training session in his mind that he was training these brand new cops. This is how to properly do it from my perspective. He went over the line when he was saying I can't breathe and is calling for his Momma. At that point, it was obvious that man was dying, and so even though on black letter printed says what he's got to do. I would say this to you. Chuck if you were. Were that officer of your. Derek Chalvin and you were in that situation at that time when you were being videoed, and this black man was saying I can't breathe much like Eric Garner and he was saying Mommy Mommy. Mommy helped me that to me is a cry for help. And he was already restrained because he was handcuffed, he wasn't arrested anybody and so if you're sitting on that jury and those are the facts chuck. How do you find those cops? Well, I prob look I'm not taking a side, one way or the other when I am taking it aside is the media narrative that they leave out crucial facts. It is a fact if you've watched the videotape and actually listening to with your ears, you can hear him on the sidewalks. Tell them he can't breathe as he's on the sidewalks that he can't breathe, so that's number brought up to the media, but I heard it I watched it I saw it so I'm not sure why that's not brought up that the guy told him he couldn't breathe when he was walking around with handcuffs on the sidewalk. That only in a heart condition a lung condition. He was on methamphetamine he was on. But that doesn't mean you should be killed and that officer at some point should let him up. No, but you ask the jury that is GonNa play in my mind. If the guy is, tell me, he can't breathe from the time I arrested all the time I restrained him I. that point I don't know if I believe him if he's saying he can't breathe when he's standing up when I first arrest him. Now Chuck. We'll see a danger to those officers anywhere after the first thirty seconds on. The. Policy goes on to tell say that they have a right to do that. Even under lesser restraints, which would be handcuffs, they still can reply the unconscious neck restraint, so my problem is this. If it's the policy, it's the policy. We may not like it. It may look crude. We may think it's wrong and it was a bad outcome, but that is not the officers that low lying officers problems. They didn't write the policies, so it's amazing to me that can be on. The city of Minneapolis is website for eight years and the Mayor City Council and the citizens. Nobody knew about it, but the guy in Cincinnati Ohio at one o'clock last night and ten minutes. Well, you know as you said to begin more or less than media promote certain facts that fits their agenda, and they ignore others, and this'll be a spirited defense, and the difficulty is going to be the public. Torment is going to be so great for the jury members. They're going to convict. These guys have something and if he was. Asked Carl Lewis if he was following the law and doing what he should have done at some point in my opinion, it was time to let him up and let him go because he wasn't an even following. The rules in the re doesn't mean you have to follow them and I don't think at the point that he was dying George Floyd presented a risk of harm to the officers he had submitted and they sent. He was under arrest. It didn't get in the back seat of the car. Car because he said he was claustrophobic and he was a large man didn't want to get in. So that's when they kind of put them down on the pavement and got on top of to me I'm a little bit claustrophobic and if I was in that position I. Don't know what I would have done other than short out and maybe die, and you don't know you take a defendant as you find him, but even if the policy allowed it. It didn't mean he had to do it. I think if I was CLAUSTROPHOBIC. Could I spent time in prison and eight by eight cell? I probably would quit committing crimes at some point. Chuck, thank you for your call. Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham. The Great, American live German, the reds, hopefully playing in July. You see this is the difficulty. The Law Rosen regulations run up against the public fervor of the moment. And so when you sit on a jury and you hear what Chalvin was trained to do, and this guy was training other officers. He might in his own mind have been saying. This is somehow a training moment. But he killed without question. George, floyd unnecessarily, and at some point having the right to do. Something doesn't mean you should do something to me. He was depraved and not letting him up, but if that Guy Chuck, it's on the jury Derek Chalvin may have a good day. Let's continue with more Bill Cunningham newsradio seven hundred. That will you OUGHTA meal? Billy Cunningham thousands on hold millions listening. As we continue two or three more calls, coming up, including William and birth, and some others but I. You know I seldom find myself in concert with black lives matter. The, organization, not the concept of course. Black lives matter as much as any other life in America. And matters to me it matters to you because of my long history of supporting love African American community of which were basically one I get it. Whenever someone black lives matter, said something that doesn't fit the agenda of the mainstream media and the Democratic Party is not being discussed. My black lives matter leaders say something in concert with the goals of. The subjective mainstream media it is certainly promoted quite a bit. Shaun King is one of the most prominent activists associated with black lives matter. And you've seen him on TV repeatedly. And he claimed on Friday the following quote. Quote Democrats from top to bottom are running the cities with the worst police brutality in America right now unquote that the Democrats are the ones responsible, and almost all of these cases whether it was Cincinnati or Chicago or New York or Baltimore or Saint Louis or in Los Angeles And certainly the Democrats that are running the institutions that in their minds perpetuate, police, brutality and police violence, being run by Democrats completely run by Democrats. That's what occurs and that comes from black lives matter. Now. You haven't heard that comment because it doesn't fit the agenda. Two of the four officers involved this case. We're minorities. Including one that had been on the job for two shifts. This was his third shift Thomas Lane Towel. Tae and Jay. Alexander coon was twenty six or charged with two counts of aiding and abetting. So black lives matter stating to the obvious that the Democratic Party and their philosophies is the problem. Van Jones has said the same thing about black about white liberal females Hillary Clinton supporters, doing what that woman did in Central Park, threatening calling nine, one one saying a black man was threatening her. She quickly got into her liberal. Way of looking at things. Going back in time as we always should in these difficult situations, the Democratic Party. Was the party of slavery. And continued through the civil war through the clue Ku Klux Klan creation by the Democrats and all the all the memorials of the confederate generals are memorials to democratic racist. It continued through the administration of Woodrow. Wilson, who was a racist Woodrow Wilson the president who allowed the Ku Klux Klan March up and down Pennsylvania. Avenue, and in Washington FDA are separated block from white soldiers, so they couldn't be together in the nineteen fifties when it became obvious that the Republican Party would have to crack down on Democrats. Because Democrats would not like black kids go to schools like in Little Rock. orval Faubus the governor there. Of course it was Eisenhower who sent in the army. The eighty second airborne to make sure there was little black girls could go to a little rock. Public Schools to Democrats fought it. Tooth and nail wouldn't let it happen. So the Democrats having caused problems now offer solutions to the problems that they cost. When the cities in the sixties and seventies burned the eugene Romans the richer cray balls, the Willis Gradison. For their riches, Carl, rich and others. They all left the political scene because it was thought they did not represent the way Cincinnati. Look to the Way New York, whatever said he just named plugging plugging there all democratic cities, so for fifty years they have now impose their will upon police departments upon fire, departments and other institutions, because they're completely in charge now, and that is what they do. And so, what occurred is that the policies and the desires of the modern Democrat Party is visited these days upon the cities with liberal mayors, many times, black or white, but all liberals and the police chiefs are almost always black and female and many of these cities. And so do you believe that the major cities in America governed by Democrats usually very Liberal Democrats are somehow racist that chief of police, Isaac and Mark Mallory and John Cranley and Patrick to Haney. These are all racist and they imposed racist policies on the city's all too often. Black families are forced to send their kids to the worst possible schools I notice yesterday cps was protesting police brutality. which nobody's in favor of that? And, so the argument was with school, busing and many Matt. Matters. We simply have to increase the funding. To these poor inner city schools incentivized teachers to go there and put liberals in charge and liberals have been in charge of CPS now for fifty years well intended liberals, well-intended liberals are in charge, and they want the best, but they don't know what they're doing because if they knew what they were doing, they wouldn't have the results that they caused by their policies. I think it is rare for CPS not to be an academic emergency on a regular basis. and is very hard to get rid of the five to ten percent of teachers at are bad because of the teachers union you run into them. Some other factoid. In the city of Minneapolis between twenty and twenty twenty, there were over two thousand six hundred complaints filed against Minneapolis police. And of those twenty six hundred complaints, I'm sure the great majority were not justified, but it say a thousand were justified. Only twelve resulted in disciplinary action, and the penalties reminded like one day off. So it's pointed out that the Democrats have been in charge in Minneapolis now for fifty to sixty years, so if that police division is institutionally racist. And if they don't have the right policies to arrest, someone is my last caller pointed out. which political parties in charge. It's amazing to watch the Democrats. Try to solve problems that they themselves have occurred. It's Kurd because of them. It's incredible. and. WHO DO THEY QUICKLY BLAME AS DONALD TRUMP? They want to weaponize and politicize the terrible murder of George. Floyd to make political to blame trump for the policies in Minneapolis or Columbus or Louisville or Cincinnati and Louisville. They allow no knock warrants. That's out. Brianna Taylor was was sadly murdered because her boyfriend thought there were three hoodlums coming in the door that they were in plain clothes, there were three cops and he shot. They shot and routed Taylor was killed in the crossfire that was authorized by Judge in Louisville in Louisville. Democrats have been rollover now for Fifty Years Cincinnati's fifty years Columbus is sixty years too late. CLEVELAND. Eighty Years Detroit and Chicago almost one hundred years completely in control. And, so if they're in complete control of the policies and their institutional racism, aren't they either racist or they're stupid and I don't think they're stupid. Their policies simply do not work. New York Times reports New York City. Schools controlled by Democrats except for Rudolph Giuliani and Michael Bloomberg. For one Hundred Years Democratic philosophies completely control New York City during the most segregated schools in the country. Nationwide liberal states tend to have the most segregated schools. The most police shootings take place in California. And of course, democratic control that state for the last twenty years completely. And so the media, when having on some of these big city mayors, you might want to ask the mayor of Washington DC or the mayor of Atlanta. How in the hell? Why is your policies working and Atlanta? The last time there was a republican charge of Atlanta one hundred and fifty years ago. So whatever's going on as Atlanta in Atlanta is the implementation of liberal democratic policies and the hiring retention, the disciplining of cops. It's all right there in Atlanta by Liberal Democrats. The Whole County are Liberal Democrats yet the mayor can do a matador deal blamed trump for some l.. What's going on there and I would also point out the wall. Street Journal. At a great column by Heather McDonald Based Upon Department of Justice Homeland, security and CDC facts. Heather McDonald quote, a police officer is eighteen and a half times more likely to be killed by a black male. Then an unarmed blocked mail is to be killed by police officer, unquote thing about that eighteen and a half times more likely. And if a white cop goes to work today I, don't care if you're in Madeira or an Erlanger, Covington Dayton Indianapolis a white cop in uniform. You'll do anything possible not to confront a black male, because it could mean the end of your life or the end of your career without question. And we also according to the findings. Of Harvard University it's Harvard, a liberal or Conservative institution? The EV economists and a researcher there called Roland Fryer, who and twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen, because of what happened area Gardner, and what happened with Ramos and Liu Cops Kildare and what happened to to Michael Brown and Trayvon Martin. He conducted an exhaustive study. Over many months, using the researchers of Harvard and all the available students, and all the information available, and he concluded quote, we did not find evidence for any anti-black or anti spending disparity in police use of force across all shootings in America in if anything. Found anti white disparities when controlling for race, specific crimes unquote. That means and the data. You're much more likely to be killed for the same crime. Engage in the same behavior if you're white than black. Get immediate attention. Economist Dr Roland fryer quote. We did not find evidence for any. anti-black are Anti Hispanic disparity and police use of force across all shootings. And, if anything, we found anti white disparities when controlling race specific, so whites are more likely to be shot. Now. Wouldn't it be helpful if we had a media? Nationally and elsewhere that would say in perspective, every independent study from Harvard from Washington. Post from Michigan State clearly indicate that twice. As many whites are killed by police every year, then blacks twice as many. And it's you don't know about these things because they're not reported. Sadly, you continue to believe there's a massive assault on black communities, and if there is, it's the policies of Liberal Democrats that have caused him. Right now in Cincinnati Covington. And I talked to Rob Sanders about this. The best police divisions in the history of those cities are in existence right now, the same PD, Covington and Cincinnati. Or the best select, the best trained and the best motivated in the history of each of those two cents. It is rare extremely rare to have any unarmed black man killed by police. According to the FBI. According to Wall Street Journal last year there were. Black men shot by police who were unarmed ten that resulted in four indictments of cops. The other six were clubs. FISTER cars are being used to try to kill the COP. At the time. They killed the assailant. There were about twenty white men killed unarmed by police. You're much more likely to get shot if you're white and blocked by COPS because of the fear of pulling that trigger, it's got to be a dire situation. There are outliers there are situations which happened George Floyd which are awful and terrible I. Don't know how Derek Chalvin could have done what he did. You know the policy is not to constrict the airwaves, but US armor and need to restrain someone. He was restrained. He was under control for those eight minutes and forty five seconds, and the other officers do not have the co Yonis or whatever it might be to say enough is enough. Roll him over. Let them up whatever it was. And so a consequence Derek child is going to pay with the rest of his life. And it's sad, but anyone who contends that there's some police misconduct. Organically institutionally against black males. Have to tell me. Why would chief of police? Isaac had up such an organization before him was James Craig. WHO's now in Detroit do think he. Is Racist to go after black men before him was chief Blackwell city manager. Harry block before Him Milton to Honi right now Patrick Haney. Those are six black men in charge of police in Cincinnati going over the past ten years ten years. You mean to tell May. There's institutional racism and see pd one is controlled by black men. Does anyone believe that Chief of Police Xavier Man Isaac is somehow. Somehow a racist. Can you really look at yourself and come up with that? Of course not what's occurring as large number of white liberals have been told the same lies for years by colleges and universities about white privilege, wide oppression, black victimization, institutional racism and white supremacy, and all the rest, and when they saw on video something that finally confirm their opinion about the world as they saw it. They. Assume that's what I'm looking for. That's what's going on in Cincinnati. And now we finally have the evidence and they ignore the other seventeen persons killed who were black, and around the country, because of the riots and the protests, they nor the to black lives taken this weekend in Cincinnati because it doesn't fit their narrative. So. Let's continue what take some more calls later on. and. Course Rocky is off this week and Rachel is going to be in with Eddie. Thank. Short break for line becomes available, five, one, three, seven, four, nine, seven, thousand I want the media to reflect objective information based upon known facts, and not a not continue to give us the information that fits their bias and don't ask the newsmakers, the important objective questions that ferret out the truth. Let's continue with more twenty three minutes after the Hour Bill Cunningham newsradio seven hundred w automobile. Have a question or two for you, you prepare. No nine, but let's go for it anyway. Yesterday I'm watching. Some protesters black lives amount of New York City the belly of the beast. And one of the things they use especially against. Younger white females like yourself. is to ask that you kneel down on the city streets, which I've seen on several videos. And what occurs as you must admit your four hundred years of oppression, and you're also must acknowledge your white privilege and your institutional bias toward African American especially males you must ask for forgiveness in the penance will be either to participate in the protest or to pay money. And that is some of the same stuff I here in Cincinnati about if you cannot march with us, you got to pay US Willie as a white female those on the younger side I would like to say all my friends are at these these protests. We are all engaging in this in one shape for former some other, but what you're neglecting here is that white women are participating in this to a very extensive. Would you agree absolutely now? Do you know why they've been told for twenty years? He's you. WHY BECAUSE THEY Don't know. Go ahead. We're we're in this because. When METOO HAPPENED There weren't like a bunch of protests every week and nobody was going out to the streets. You know what one in four women have faced sexual assault. One in ten men have faced sexual assault of some variety. Now we didn't go out March. We didn't. Nobody was really pissed off about that necessarily. We were angry, but we didn't go the streets. So now that there's a movement that we can take part in where we can all be angry together. We are they so it's transference. Is part making sure that you know other people that have been oppressed at a separate different sort of way that is equally awful are getting our support because we didn't really feel all that supported. When do you feel oppressed? As a white woman I'm not oppressed. If you had a choice, yes, if I could wave a magical one. And make you a man quickly. Would you become a man? No, I wouldn't want to become a man, because look what you guys are dealing with right now. Look at all the stuff. You've got to answer for your everything. Yeah, and you know what it's not. It's not all wrong. You know but I wouldn't want to be in your shoes right now you're. You're GONNA get torn apart like an old I. Got It, we got a pass we are, we are down. The frontlines of black lives matter not only because we believe black lives, matter of course, but also because our own plight hasn't been recognized by white male privilege, the white male hierarchy, so we're going to go out there and we're GonNa get you know what the people I see tagging buildings. The people I see throwing rocks through windows. Those aren't African American. It's those are white women. Those are my peers. Those are my people. They're college educated and they're pissed off. And that's what's happening, and so you see these lootings, and all of that and it's really when you when you look at the tape. It's white people willy in it a lot. Yeah, so why don't we call that out when you speak to your white female type people. Go to the news much to hold that thought because I see a solution to this. On seven hundred W of Getting back to our discussion about the entity and one thing that I see of course what I think the matter on the white male, but but nonetheless. Whenever I find myself in a position where the rules don't apply and that you can march down city streets unimpeded against the law by the way you can't do that. You can't just say me and my group are GonNa shut. Down, Vine Street. We're shutting down downtown. Cincinnati unborn lives matter right to life second amendment. That would never happen if I got it thousand on my. My closest friends and said without a permit. We're going to decide to shut down downtown Cincinnati. They'd look at me like I was crazy and so I think when you break the rules break the law. You're with other like minded people. You have a goal. You have something part of something greater than yourself. It's like enabling it makes you feel powerful all of a sudden. Feature down well. It's the It's the mob effect I mean people act completely different in big large crowds. They're doing like minded things. So, would you typically tag building? Probably not, but if you're in a crowd of ten thousand and everybody's you know has a certain kind of energy. You might be like what whatever yeah I'll tag building's Day. Let me ask you about tr. Okay, one point five billion dollars I go down there two three times a year. Are you moving down there now by the way? I'd go down there two or three times a week. And I see the VIBE is changed. One point five billion, three CDC business not very good. The mayor is now yelled out at Salazar's and you know. Jay and Susan Were Celebrating Their fiftieth wedding anniversary and he was. Verbally accosted by two women, one, encouraging the other white females like you of course I guess we're the ones that are pissed off acting up, but explained to me why pissed off means I'm going to look at someone storefront and brutalized the people inside break. The wind is and loot the place. House thought a white female deal. Now I'm not saying it's right I want. Want to be on the record for saying I. Don't believe it's right to commit property damage to loot. Do things like that? But what I'm going to tell you is, it's coming from a very real place of rage. You have UN bridled rage. That's what people are dealing with, and you can kind of joke that off and say well. People are just you know, but. That that is where these female voices that are being quite frankly very militant in their actions are coming from, and so you use create a culture of ignoring people of silencing people. This is going to boil over and when you get the opportunity. When we were marching with our hats and everything, we didn't have the option to break a window. That wasn't that wasn't the VIBE. Our March doesn't mean the anger wasn't there. There was a lot of anger there, but for the most part they were very peaceful. Protests you know. METOO movement and it didn't get a lot of support from people that weren't women right? Everybody's that's showing up. As a woman didn't have cross sections of humanity coming for one purpose, so yes, women are going to go into this and they're going to destroy property because they have the ability to. Because that's what happening in these protests and you're not really if you can get away with it, quote unquote. You'RE NOT GONNA get arrested possibly so. Had nothing to do with it, but as ot are in trouble now because of business, not going there, because because let me explain this year limit, and then then you tell me if this is right or wrong. I lived in Detroit while near Detroit Farmington hills mile and a half from Detroit. I lived on ten mile. Eight mile was just down the. The road. Okay, and that's the. That's the border now. My Insurance Company tells me you have to pay three hundred and twenty dollars a month in insurance because you live so close to Detroit proper even though you don't live in it. You still have to pay that money because you're more likely to be carjacker. Have your car stolen in this neighborhood, right? You're in the middle of it in ot are even though it's all new, and it's all beautiful, and it's all gentrified. It is still a place where people are going to gather to protest. Now in in Detroit. That's a different place that doesn't have commerce near it. You know. Are Those those city? Municipalities are separate from businesses, but your business businesses a really close to your jail to your justice center to your courthouse things right there in the same area right so you're going to be subject to different things than people that have those those state services in a separate location away from their businesses, and that's unfortunate and. And I? Don't wish those business owners that kind of memory in their lives, but you got somewhat expect it right I. mean during the end of the point is one of the essay I. Read It self destructive bill jobs doesn't mind when people all the money paid in taxes by those individuals to support the schools and social services are gonNA evaporates going to be gone. The city's got his. We're not. GonNa have the streetcar. That was another PG sitting Feld matter eighty million dollar budget shortfall. Plus, plus plus and so y. you're bringing about what you're seeking to avoid what you WanNa have is good schools, good jobs and a good police department, and right now because of the riots and large parts of downtown Cincinnati, more and more people. Like me aren't GonNa want to move there. Because you feel unsafe, you'll be targeted. You feel vilified. Feel as if some bad's going to happen, and it's expensive now. Why would I move to a place where I'm personally at risk? You can't send your kids in the public school system. The police departments under fire. Constantly the rules and regulations are high, because this is the one cent twenty year thing right? Every twenty years just happened. Okay well. Well, years yeah you know that live down there, so you have to take that risk reward, but you as a business owner. If you were to go down there a property owner, you'd have to admit that you know these things happen and I don't want to hear well like a feel. Sorry for me because it's like. Yeah, that's awful, but you knew the risks. Just like I knew the risks living a mile and a half from Detroit. Because it was close to my office and I didn't want to have to have forty five minute commute from there I didn't WanNa have to have an hour and a half commute into a from a safe neighborhood and actually Farmington hills is safe, but. More just as close just because of the proximity. Now there were lots of riots in Detroit J. dragged. There did a good job. He's a good man. I haven't talked to him in about a year, but he like going back home. I see him on Fox. News CNN quite often James. Craig Cincinnati wasn't as bad as sixty five, nineteen, sixty five. There was no unemployment rate in the Black Community in Detroit. Everybody was working. After the riots, there were over a thousand a thousand buildings in Detroit burn. The thing fundamentally changed. Has it come back in the past fifty years? Yes, it has five years because Dan Gilbert has but yeah, but I. I was. Detroit was one of the places I was watching when all this stuff started, because they fundamentally fundamentally don't have the infrastructure. To be able to handle a large scale riot with. Fire starting. They just don't have it the. I think the fire department is a third of what it was in two thousand. And if there are a lot of abandoned buildings, if someone were to get the bright idea to start setting fires, there would be no way to put out the fires Detroit because they're not enough. Fire Department personnel to actually run the fire trucks to get to those fires, and then you're dealing with the police force skeletal at best and no money. They have no money. Their backup is border patrol which border patrol can't get involved because this is a civil issue. Technically they won't. They can't really just dive into a police state at that point You know through a government organization when it's supposed. Supposed to be the police department of that city taking the lead on their woods, Cincinnati go through the same stuff for some reason. When we had the riots in sixty, seven, sixty eight, we had ninety two disturbances, the ray, tensing matter just a little bit, but not much. Why wouldn't Cincinnati have the fate of Detroit that in twenty years there'd be no funding for the fire department the Police Department. The water fixed the potholes to healthcare clinics. All those things are in trouble there eighty million dollars upside down. They're not going to be bailed out. WHY WOULDN'T CINCINNATI BECOME DETROIT IT? Could it could. But part of that is you know getting ahead of these. Because another way you lose, money is through lawsuits civil lawsuits against people that have been wronged by the city, particularly by the Police Department that adds up and you have that and you also have a lot of I. You can giggle, but I think we have far less corruption. This city I think we do then then Detroit. Does Detroit has a lot of corruption state officials city officials take money that is allocated for. A, public causes and pocket, quick question for you from a prominent law enforcement official Oh. I love this. Yes, serious question, yes! Isn't it racist white women? I you yes, to think it's okay or acceptable. To vandalize the town during a black protest when they wouldn't do it during me because it wasn't the same vibe answer that question. That is a problem. Most go nameless. That is a problem Willie women are white privilege. Women are totally hijacking. The black lives matter movement, because if you look online and you, you find a lot of posts with white women, black lives, matter signs they're trying to say here is what I'm about, but in the process of doing that, what you're doing is distracting from people that have dealt with these issues African Americans have dealt with police brutality dealt with profiling dealt with serious issues. You are taking away. Their ability to connect with people by using that Hash tag and making it about yourself. There was an influence or in new. York dressed up in a ball gown and showed the video of her just popping into the crowd. The black lives matter protests that was marching up the street to take some photos for instagram and I. Don't think that's as. As unique and individual as that one post, I don't think it is and I hate to say that, but but it's true and there are different ways that you can show that you are a quote ally and. I think there are better ways than posting on instagram and going to protest in order to get material for your instagram I think they're way better ways to be an ally to the African American community. That doesn't mean that some people are going to see that now. You're ready for the big question. Yes, if there is systemic, not individual accidents police brutality. Occur. Digital. If there is systemic police, brutality and black liberals are in charge of those departments for fifty years. Does it indicate that they're in charge of the racism or systematic? Racism does not exist. What what part does the police departments union play and all of this and protecting? Protecting a little bit in protecting cops a little I mean. Not as much as it used to be. Chief Isaac is a racist, no absolutely not in charge of a racist organization wing. No I think that. This is actually the same mentality as what we're seeing with the protesters and the mobs when you get people in a situation where there's an underlying ideal and you say hey, this is okay, even when it's not in the case of looting that would be or in the case of the protests that would be looting. Correct people are going along with it. That might. Might not otherwise do that and they might be good people law abiding citizens. They're going along with it. Because in the moment they have. They are in a system that approves that correct goes to prove greatly when you lose some store for a good purpose, so so the same can be said of police department. You have good cops, bad cops! You have cops that. Don't respect inequality. They don't understand it. They don't believe in it and those guys are going to be riding along cars with rookies, and they're going to change how those rookies view society their communities. They're serving just by being there by being present and by enforcing a negative stereotype that's been underlying whether or not expressed, and that's going to cause systematic issues going forward, and eventually that all branches out just like a spiderweb, so and so it was connected to so and so to. To connect so and so and then all of those guys have the same kind of community viewpoint isn't necessarily correct just because there hasn't been anybody to say. Hey, this is a bad mentality to have as a police. Force is trying to serve a community that already feels unsafe with your presence all right now I have a New York Times story here. That wanted to Minneapolis police the last time, a republican white male in charge of Minneapolis place was fifty four years ago. Ago since then is completely controlled by liberals widened black. You have to be liberal thirteen members. Of Council Minneapolis There's only one who's Non Democrat and that is a member of the green. Party, so they've been in charge for half a century and the last eight years has been twenty six hundred individual complaints against Minneapolis police. In the last ten years. There's been at least ten questionable deaths to at the hands of police in Minneapolis and Minneapolis that von armed black men. Men during detainment so when this is going on the party in charge of every major city are liberals, white and black, and the argument is that these institutions resulted in massive discrimination went in Minneapolis the twenty six hundred complaints. There's been twelve that resulted in disciplinary action, so the Liberals in charge said we're GONNA. Let the police go. The school systems, every major city suck terrible controlled by Liberal Democrat. Yeah, and they keep blaming trump. Minneapolis is blaming trump. CPS is blaming trump. Cincinnati public schools which have no achievement academically at all. Get Seventeen thousand dollars per child per year I. Think it was Malcolm X. said Republicans, are Fox's and Democrats are wolves in sheep's clothing. Don't trust either and your friend. Well. That's the point. You've turned law enforcement to. Getting into with all of this is that law enforcement is a money making machine. Now you send people to prisons. They're privately owned. They are businesses. They are corporations. Don't run these things. Corporations have been become just monopolies with their ability to house prisoners and make money off of how many prisoners they hold, so yeah, your police department isn't going to just stop liberal. Stop It. Because they're getting a kick back from us, that's the whole point. You can't trust anybody to anything. And that's why people are protesting in the streets, throwing things building trust you and Eddie starting about ten minutes. That's true. Yes, you can trust us. Were you bow down both knees? Walk and apologize for your white privilege to anybody I use I. Use my platform in order to try to help. The African American community as Best I can and I will be honest with that because I have a lot of. Do you have a lot of African? American friends and you know that's we get to stay on this beautiful station, this big beautiful station, and so yeah. You know I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA. Make sure Smitherman can come onto my. Question what I kneel down. That is my me kneeling down. That's what I'm. That's what I'm saying Jones. He said I knew before God Almighty. Kneeling down to any person I'm not I'm not going to go protest because I'd rather make sure that people hear me then see me on instagram. I'd rather make sure people hear people like Tim McGee who you had on also number eighty, yeah. So the so there you go, you know we're doing our part our way, too, because we but we're getting those voices heard. Horror Louis. Argo talked about criminal defense attorney, the issues involving representing those charged with killing a black man, and what are the issues and he brought up some great points. Let's continue. Thank you. Thank you fifty five home of your reds. We hope next month on newsradio seven hundred W W.