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S1:E14  Kon

Soundrise Podcast

39:55 min | 3 months ago

S1:E14 Kon

"Hello, everyone, welcome to another episode of sound, Rice podcast today. I, think we're in for a very interesting episode as we're talking about the nineties, new metal pioneers corn. Hello Alexander. How are you today? Overall hello, guys. I'm great I've been thinking recently a lot about the fact that this is a typical time of the year where when? A lot of music festival than events take place, so I'm really kind of having debt. Strange feeling nothing. He's actually taking place nowadays I'm really curious to know how our listeners and also you gotta. Take this. Do also feel strange. Well I really miss live shows, and I can't wait for all these bans to be lifted and to be able to enjoy live music again, but right now we all have to be responsible, so we have to be patient for the sake of humanity. Absolutely absolutely well said so today's band is as you said corn. The new Metal Pioneers one of the probably most well known act from the nineties, and now I'm GonNa. Give you a little. Introduction! Of this band, so this band was formed in Nineteen ninety-three and California It was formed by members of the previously funk metal band called PD. and. I'm not really surprised that it was a funk metal band because it featured the the basis the and you can. If if you're a fan of corners, you can listen to some of their records. You can send a little bit of funk especially, because feel the Korn bassist. Tends to slap the Pay Salat. The next the next one, the next thing go to want to say is that they have been really consistent when their personnel so from nineteen ninety three onwards. They have only. Replaced one drummer, which was David Sylvia she left in two thousand and six, and now they have the drummer call the Ray Lucia. The rest of the rest of the personnel are basically the same. and. It's really interesting that they have also their nicknames, so the Bass Player has the nickname feel the the guitarist have nicknames, monkey and had. about to vote The vocalist, famous vocalist decided to. Keep his original name Jonathan Daviss so this bent. Gained first. Mainstream success when they released their album, follow the leader in Nineteen, Ninety Eight, and the the follow up called issues in nineteen, ninety nine, the debut album, their self titled Debut Album was released in nineteen, hundred four though. and. This this? This band is really known for introducing this news new type of metal music, which is kind of different from the from the typical heavy metal from the seventies and the eighties. So this was something that marked and you. Era For for metal music, and I kind of feel that a lot of metal fans are splits when it comes to when it comes to their taste. and. This vannak's released a thirteen ounce or so far, and they have also been associated with some famous record labels like try and virgin. And finally I want to say that disband. Sites. Red Hot Chili, peppers and faith no more as their biggest influences among other bands of course. So so that's something about corn, and I now want to quickly share A Becker might personal background story with this band. Because I was the one that chose this bent of for this episode. This is actually the first my first metal band, the first metal sunk or probably one of the first metal song that I've ever heard. I can't really recall the first one. It was their cover of the famous song were up. And I really liked it I. still do and the video. The video for the music video for that song is really funny, because it features a video where the band the band members are a pictured as dogs, so they have dog bodies, but their heads are there. Let's say natural heads. Their original faces are instead of a dog. Dog Faces so listeners if you want some fun. Go. Go over and watch that. So. The records that we're GonNa, talk about today are. There too big records follow the leader and issued that I already mentioned, so we decided to kind of mixed things up of it. We usually start our discussion with the with the band's debut album. Now we want to start with their too big albums and their latest release. called the nothing which was released last year two thousand nineteen. So. I WANNA. Ask you now. What was your? What was your take in? Did you like? The. The record follow the leader. Well have to say before I get into any details that I'm not a huge fan of new metal. I could never ever get into any band. That preferred that style of music and. When I was a teenager, I had an utter dislike for corn and other bands of this back. then you metal genre that seemed crude and less sophisticated compared to what came before. So I have to say that. I may be slightly biased when talking about this kind of ban, but I did my best to listen to these records within open the year and an open heart, so I have to say I had a very hard time getting through. Follow the leader. I know it's considered a new metal classic. But for me, it was quite a chore to Listen To these songs now there are some positives first of all I kind of like the way this band bills the atmosphere. They always have some kind of creepy spooky sounds in the background very cool intros. I like that that gives you a feeling that there's more to this than just plain using that. There's a certain concept that there's a certain artists involved. But I still thought that this record was overall underwhelming. Most of the songs kind had same. Feel to them. There wasn't much diversity. The lyrics I thought were mostly about. Personal struggles, there were very self deprecating. And while I really appreciate the fact, that Jonathan Daviss uses music as a form of Catharsis for himself, I just couldn't get into this especially. Given the fact that all the songs. kind of shared the same sentiment. There was a certain lack of diversity again when it came to the emotional resonance of this music, so I can understand how it might appeal. To somebody who fully identifies with these lyrics with this music, but if you don't. Then it might be. Very! Difficult to actually appreciate the record. The Big Song here is freak on a leash. I can see why. This was a major hit. It's a very catchy tune, but to be honest again. He didn't really do much for me. And then there's another song would like to point out, but for all the negative things, and that's all in the family, which seems to be some kind of distract. Against Biscuit which was another one of my eighty bands back in my teenage days, and I have to say though that corn to me seems to be a way more serious band, the way more ambitious band than limb biscuit so I would say that. But what I really disliked about this son. Is. Very homophobic lyrics that just seem super cringe nowadays and completely outdated and just. Everything seems to be in very poor taste what Alexander think about this. Okay I'm GonNa Kuwait opposite side. I can't say that I was impressed with album. I think that they have better albums than this one. I can kind of understand why it was so big and. It was featured on the bill Burr to countries so list. It was kind of K. No no big. Huge feelings from from my side. He has some nice tracks My Gripe with this album is dad's the other half kind of fades away in terms of quality at the first. CAV is quite good. Especially, the songs freak on a leash and got live. That was someone those were some of my mid. Say I and initial Songs when I started discovering. Corn Way before this episode. Actually so yeah, it was okay I mean. I would probably go back to it. I totally get the The controversial lyrics in all in the family that something that also caught my attention when I listened to it so. not not a positive so to stay very strange, were-they right very cringe was kind of I. Don't know when occurred. I was like what is this? This is not something that i. that I saw happened that I saw happening. So re very weird and. But I have to praise. On the on the other hand, I have to praise. The fifth track children of the corn featuring ice cube. I think ice cube really was a nice fit, and it is something. That characterizes new metal. They also incorporate rap influences, you know. which is you know which is okay? In some cases and I I say that because I'm not a rap fan, but in this case it's A. It was a nice match so to say. I agree about that. I really liked the inclusion of Ice Cube I. think that might be one of the highlights of this record that I found so tedious to get through, but I kind of like hearing ice cube there. Absolutely. Yeah, and you mentioned the limp biscuits and other new metal bands. I will also add Lincoln Park and slip non for some reason. I just don't like those bands, but Korn seemed to be way ahead of them, so that's really weird, maybe because they were the pioneers of this of this subculture, like for example when we talk heavy metal and I really. Like. Black Sabbath Black Sabbath better than the band's. That would come after them, so maybe sometimes, the root band the original. The pioneer is better than than there And, then its successor, so they're their listeners. Sent me do you have the same impression doesn't matter whether it's metal some other type of music. Do you feel that the original? Bands of a certain genre or sub genre are better because they were the first ones to to actually play that way. They were the inventors so to say. Right I think we call it. We have covered everything about this this records let's now jump straight to our ratings and favored tracks. If you have any mice, trail here is got the life especially because the baseline is good, I mean the base something that's. That's a clear standout with this band like feel these work. It's Funky at slap. Happy, it's also it also has some. Sharp sounds so really powerful, and he had no man. I don't know. The rhythm section is all right, but the whole thing just. just very very. Unenthusiastic of. Your cater. We all know that. Feel the is a famous Ibanez. Player so that's nice to hear that that's a brand of guitars and bass guitars. That's a famous for producing metal instruments or instruments Taylor tailored for for making that sharp metal sounds okay got. Life is my standard trek in my rating is. I would go with the six point five Hubbard. How `bout you let a while now. That's a high rating. Their okay, so I'll be very honest here as he said I may have some buyer's, but I really tried I paid attention to the lyrics to the music. Having said that it's extremely difficult for me to actually choose the highlight here because I didn't like any of the songs. Okay, so now stand treks for you. That's fine, maybe frequent deletion just because it's kind of catchy and. I know it just seems alright. Compared to some other tracks. What was the track? Where ice cube is featured? Oh it was the fifth track called. Children of the corn, okay, that wasn't too bad either so I. Guess Those two feet on the leash. And as far as ratings are concerned I know that some of you Korn. Fans will not forgive me this I'm really sorry, but I'll give this record two point five. That is horrendous. In is what it is. It's just the way I feel about this album. I don't think this album can grown me. I find it extremely difficult to actually listen to corn I can recognize some of their talent. I think that they are good musicians, especially the rhythm section, but there's just something that feels amiss here. Not enough diversity everything seems to boil down to the same kind of mood. To the same type of lyrics. So, yes, definitely, two point five really really disappointing. ludd. Oh my God. Kate. Right so moving on to the follow-up, which is called is released in nineteen ninety nine. And I have to say that I really liked this album first of all something that I like about cornyn general. That lot I mentioned in this episode is. The fact that they have they often incorporate these spooky creepy sounds, and that's what he really like about him, and that's something that really goes well really kind of. Matches Jonathan's vocals so I find that authentic and really interesting and what I also like about. This album is first of all the album cover and second I like those parts of of a of the songs where the guitar just plays a couple of notes in the background while Jonathan wraps and kind of keeps the rhythm. Going along with the rhythm section so. I don't know how. these two albums. Issues and obviously follow the leader I don't know how they are considered to be. Equally good I, think this is. This is clearly an upgrade and. Again I really enjoyed this this album. What about you about? I have to agree with you. Here I think this is definitely a huge upgrade. Some, of the things that irritated me on the previous record are kind of gone at least to certain degree I feel that the songs are much more rich in flavor. There's more diversity better riffs. Really enjoyed some of the refs have to say. Again have to command them on their ability to create atmosphere, which is even more evident here than on the previous record, especially in songs like falling away, which has a very creepy atmosphere. Away from me falling away from me. There's still this typical self deprecating lyrical content for better or worse. However I think. There are some songs where I really enjoy. Well if you can use the word enjoying this contacts, but I really appreciate. The way how personal he gets with the lyrics the way he gets all introspective and he gets You know his his bearing his soul to the audience, and that's something to appreciate, even if you may not necessarily enjoy the musical content. One of such songs is K., daddy and I think if I'm. Familiar with with this. Jonathan Daviss had problems as a child. He was unfortunately sexually abused in. This is the song that talks about this and. Talks about the mistrust. That existed between him and his parents who wouldn't believe him? When he warned them about being molested by member of an extended family so I really appreciate that kind of content I think that's what sets corn. Out from all these other NU metal bands that are more about just having fanning. tarting corn is a more serious banding that sense and something to be celebrated on the other hand again I have to say this is not necessarily my cup of tea. Again the same criticism, Thad I had for the first record it we listen to is that a lot of songs are kind of uniform in terms of the sentiments that they cover, and after a while, it just gets very boring and very difficult to keep up with the record. Having said that I do think that the record kind of pick sub near the end especially with songs. Such as Counting counting. Yes, that one counting I really enjoyed that song I think it might be the best track on the record. And also dirty. Seven minutes fifty seconds lawn song. However, it's not really that lung they Catholic. Three or four minutes of white noise tacked to the end. which I know is some kind of gimmick is stuff I think a lot of stuff that they do does boil down to Gimmicks, which is probably what made them quite popular with people as well sometimes, these gimmicks works sometimes. They seem a bit forced like they're trying too hard to be edgy. So overall improvement over the previous record. Are Good things to point out here, but at the end. It does sound a bit contrived. The sound a bit. Gimmicky at times or to uniform so I still have a lot of reservations about it. Yes I. I definitely agree with you on that and. That you said this is an upgrade indefinitely is. And sorry guys for being predictable, but my trek is falling away from me. But. Obviously the rest of the album is in my opinion worth listening to. Apart. Apart from this album. Well not apart from disarmament. Just lost their. Why don't want to say about this? In general is that I like their visual identity. You know these dreadlocks. These Tattoo look you know down to earth like those cool guys. Obviously they remind you of the late nineties and early two thousands. It kind of like that, but I still find it weird that the rest of those popular new metal bands like Slipknot Arlene Biscuit. Or Lincoln Park did just defer. For some reason I I. Don't know why. And I also like accordance logo. With that. Weird are in in there. It's not a weird already exists in Russian and in some other languages age. It's red. Is Your right as yes so? How corn came across it item now it's a bit weird. So, you you agree with me. That it's weird, right, yeah! if you ask me as as far as their in as far as their visual identity is concerned, I think that. It's kind of made to appeal to. angsty teenagers so I just. Don't see anything particularly moving about it. It's all I liked the cartoonish aesthetics that they have. Just seems a bit forced to me. Those album covers I. Don't find them particularly attractive in any way. I once knew a guy who had several of these covers tattooed across his body full color. Think. That speaks a lot about how faithful some of the Korn fans are, and perhaps this music being so. Confessional and introspective really. Appeals to certain people they can really identify with it and identify with it quite strongly, but if you don't identify with it so strongly Dante may all seem a bit too as already pointed out contrived and two forced. Her points Florida alright. So let's do our ratings and. Lada you can tell me first your Your your standard trek. Okay so my standard track is counting. Even though I have to say, there was some other tracks relatively speaking. Beg for Meka the Nice. DMED metal like ref for example. Overall, not a bad record. Still not my cup of tea so I'll give it a four point five so listenable, but I just can't get into this. WHOLE GOOD! Yeah okay, so my soundtrack is falling away from me again. Sorry for being predictable guys. If you WANNA. Know more about I encourage you to listen to it. fully and might rating is eight out of ten. So. Let's now move onto their latest release from two thousand and nineteen called the nothing. So Vlada kitten with your thoughts I. Hope you cold. This one sounded better to you I I'm just trying to kind of Be Positive here and optimistic so well. You can be positive as much as you want that won't. That won't sway me in any way so I have to say this was an absolutely atrocious in horrible record that should be buried six feet, deep underground, and never dugout for the entire history of humankind. Oh God now. I'm just joking actually. This record is a huge improvement I really enjoyed this I have to say. For the record me come on. Yes, so have to say now. This was done recently and to meet sounds like. Jonathan Davies the rest of the Ben, really reached maturity as writers as musicians, and it shows in a great way, so this is, this is definitely a record I can get behind definitely something. That while I may not listen to consistently I, can freely say is a good record that deserves to be listened to. That may appeal to a great number of people who may not have listened to Korn before now. All the usual staples of their sound are still present, but I just think that. The band sounds. Much more of a Sarel. Than on the previous records. The lyrics are better at the singing is much more powerful intense. There's A. Great Dynamics the way he sings the switches from one voice to another. So those are all really really good things that I have to say about this. Atmosphere again. They brought it up. I love the atmosphere on this one as well. You know what there was. Some parts of this record kinda reminded me of soundgarden. These these kind of ood. Chorus is that? You know like the very melodic choruses and very powerful intense choruses in think corning some ways. Did something similar here? I'm not saying it sounds exactly like soundgarden, but it's what reminded me of. It does get tiring after a while, but not because the songs are necessarily bad more because. just like the previous records. Sometimes. It feels a bit like too much of the same thing. But overall a definite improvement. As, for the tracks. Let me think they're a few really good tracks here. Definitely. This loss I. Really liked that one near the end and this son is very emotional and very personal. Because while reading about the background of this album I discovered that this was recorded shortly after Jonathan Daviss. Wife passed away. So Knowing the tragic circumstances in which this record is made. One has to say that. He really tries his best to express his sense of. Loss grief and despair, and he does it really well, and I think while this is absolutely a tragedy this record. Stronger for it because it really bears that personal touch and while the previous records. He was trying to be personal. And he was trying to. To. His emotional burden into the music here really succeeds in doing that. And that's why I think this might be the band's best record overall. What's your take Alexander? Lot of thank you very much. humanity is now that you actually gave some pot as positive comments about corn and in this album so this album to me. Is a pleasant surprise. A have to be honest. a lot of Nice tracks This is something that I would listen to while doing physical work, and maybe working out or something and. Driving and and so on which means that it is energetic, and it really boosts that adrenaline you. That's something that I like about corn and this. This out album absolutely describes that atmosphere and that as sort of a field that they give you so. Wasn't was a really nice. Listen especially the. The first half of the even though. I. Don't want to kind of undermined the rest of the album so. Yeah really. It was really you know nice listening to it especially. If you want to a boost that energy I have to say, bet I haven't been acquaintance that listened to the watched actually corn live a few years back, and for some reason. He thought that they weren't good at making an Nath They weren't up for it. So that's really weird I would say. But if we look at this album, it is definitely something that if you're looking for something to kind of make you mad, but in a good way. To go over and check, this album amounts. That's that that's my. That's my comment here and Regarding the singing. Disagree with your blood here because I thought that. The singing the vocals actually were remixed in. I, don't know in a digital way. which kind of put his vocal? Abilities down not much, but it was noticeable. If you compare this album to the older ones. I'm not saying. That's. A big negative, but you know. Just a just thought from from my side. But overall, as I said a positive positive surprise so to same. So a lot of having said this. Can you give me your rating and your and your favorite check? All right so rating. I would say six point five. Good record. The Band is much more mature here. The songs also back up more punch. They're all these nice transitions into chorus is. Quite, catchy at times, also variant Mus feerick. Basically all those things that you found the other records are amplified here for the better results so they. May work much better. It seems like they were trying to do certain things, and almost I don't. WanNa say failed, but may be my opinion. They failed, but now with this regularly finally succeeded. So definitely six point five the best track. Is? This loss because I. Think it's very emotional melancholy. A lot of grieving that you can sense there. It's real. It's genuine so. very nice surprise for me. Great Oh finally. I. I WanNa see before I give you my rating and my favorite trick. I want to say that some some of these strikes reminding me also father John Resisting. There is one trag that really reminds me offense pop band. That was formed the recently like a couple of years ago in funnily enough. The, the debut album of that sent band band is featured in our top ten album album. Cover covers lists so dear listeners go over. If you WANNA check this out, go over, check our. Instagram, facebook pages and take a look in you might. Get an idea who I'm talking about. So definitely you can sense. actually can hear other influences. Back back to giving my rating My rating for this album is seven point, five and standup. Shrek is called cold. It is the second track, but to have to say that more tracks that are definitely worth listening to. Yeah! Right ladder so what is your? What is your final word regarding this band? You know when when we kind of sum up all our reviews an impressions. What's your final taking your message to our listeners? well, my take I. Don't want to sound too cruel, but to me. This sound that was created in the nineties and rule the radio waves. In the mid and late nineties. Seems rather crude seems rather. To, simple compared to the previous metal generation. especially, the eighties metal bands and I think corn might be the best example of this music because they seem to show more ambition than most of these bands. And their musicianship was pretty good, but overall I just feel most of new metal is outdated now, and there's a good reason why it's kind of relegated to the history, but corn is one of the few bands that actually still make sense, so that's acute, redeeming factor and. I challenge our listeners to give them listen. Even if they're prejudiced the bid. Just like I was especially the last record. They may still find something to enjoy. Okay Fair Florida, thank you for that, so dear listeners take note and try not to be at that prejudice Florida that's. That's my final words if you are. If, you're not a mental purist. like something. People are definite. You should definitely check this out. I can't really recommend listening to auto NU metal bands. That's my personal I. Don't know my personal impression, but corn is definitely worth listening to I can see myself going back to these albums and I'm certainly looking forward to that all right. Now. Our listeners thank you so much for listening to our show yet. Again a hope you liked the recent. UPDATES and the recent. News on our on our FACEBOOK instagram page. On twitter pages. We recently released for the first time. Ever a musician interview say I hope that you like that. 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He's saying a million bands seemingly announcing a new one every few weeks. One of the band's he's been in an that's now made a few albums is a group called K.. Xm That is a phenomenal trio featuring doug panic of King's x Ray Lewis Zere of the ban corn to this vis day. They've yet to play a live show but they have released three albums including a relatively new one. It's very very difficult all to get these guys all together in the same place because like so many of these sort of assembled super groups. They're all in a million directions and and they are always all going to defer to whatever is the biggest most lucrative prime gig of the multiple bands. They may have which is understandable understandable so to that end K. Xm has yet to do a live show but they've released records and even trying to get them all together therefore an interview is extremely difficult because they're all in different places at different times and Doug. Panic is in a ton of bands as well. So I tried a couple of months ago with the release of the latest. Xm record to get all three guys in the studio when I was in La Eh. But Ray Lucia these days lives in Tennessee Georgia and Doug live in La. So I was able to get George and Doug at least two thirds of the band Dan together and it was a fun interview and we talk about K. exam and their individual projects and other stuff as well so I think you're going to enjoy this. Yes and here's a little back story on this which you might find kind of surprising and I believe it's referenced and comes up in the interview so George Lynch has a massive phobia of tight spaces. CLAUSTROPHOBIA W basically now. I don't like tight spaces either but George has it to the extreme meaning that this interview the you was conducted in our brand new studio for Sirius. XM IN LA. And when George got there. We're only on the eighth floor. But he was was freaked out to go in the elevator. He also didn't want to go in the stairwell in less. All the stair well doors were open he has a serious serious issue and I said to him I said I don't know how you deal with that. Given that you're a touring musician and going in different venues and having to do interviews reviews and planes and what he finds ways to make it work but we add to work a little bit to get George into the building and as you'll hear in the interview we finally did get him. I'm in the studio. And then once he got there he was totally fine and then we helped him get out of the building as well again. I get it because I don't like confined spaces either but George has it to the extreme and as I think he references in the interview it seems seemingly only getting worse but we managed to get George in there. Doug was there waiting waiting on them and we had a fun conversation. So this week's podcast. Doug Pinnacle of King's x George Lynch best known of Doc in two thirds of a band. Dan they have together called km. We discussed that and a whole lot more enjoy. It's coming up on this week's trunk podcast. What's up Brian Deegan here? I'm excited to bring you our podcast. The DEGAN that will be every Wednesday on podcast one and apple podcast. We'll be covering many subjects. Such the racing family stay together. How he thrive is a family? So I think it's exciting. We're going to cover all those subjects and many more. You guys check Out Our new podcast airing every Wednesday on podcast one and on Apple podcast. Don't forget to subscribe rate and review already. Eddie trunk here on the podcast for the week. As I mentioned my guests are George Lynch and Doug Panic two thirds of a ban. They have together with Raylucia called K.. Xm And I just remembered. I think ray calls in during the interview towards the back end as well so I think we do get ray on the phone. Listen interview happened about six seven weeks ago. been a little while since I heard it. But it's still very relevant still very current and wanted to get it to you sooner and I just kinda spaced on it so without further ado. Let's get to the Sirius. XM STUDIOS IN LA courtesy of my daily show on volume channel. One Oh six trunk. Nation and Ray Lucia and doug panic enjoy his ear. I am at George Knox just figuring towards kind of here George just figuring out authors live on the radio on Sirius Radio on one. Oh six and yes he said to me people hear this and their car right now. Can I hear to my car Dr Replay. I gotta pay for Sir do you have Sirius. XM radio you got a coupon. Alex got a code. Can you hook them up. I need one. Now you're laughing at me so But yes if you have Sirius. Xm You can not not only hear it live right now but you could hear the replay tonight or you could listen to it on an APP. There's a bunch of ways you could listen to that yeah so anyway Good to see. We have two thirds a two-thirds K.. Xm reunion going on but before we get to to To talk about that 'cause we have a lot of time here we're going to be good. We got over an hour. Oh cool so I'm going to get calls. We'll talk to people but George we were just talking off the air so you were not comfortable coming into this building because you don't like tight space elevators invaders and things like that right well. There's one particular tight space. I'm okay but other than that other than that. Yes no I have in. It's gotten increasingly worse over the years as I've gotten older so now I have to. My travel agent has to really work with me and in the way that I travel and I feel very bad about that I mean incoming here today was like getting into Fort. Knox had a security team walk. Because you wouldn't come into the elevator. I can't go on an elevator. What about the stairwell though you wouldn't you can't walk the stairwells Japan? Fine it's a high security stir will have to be careful to all the doors propped open and so forth. When did this first happened? Like was there some triggered this that started. I got stuck in a a couple elevators and I get stuck in a couple of stairwells and that aggravated so Yeah yeah decades ago. But it's gotten just slowly incrementally incrementally worse over the years. So now you're touring musician. What do you do is very challenging? I'm going to a hypnotist about it. And flying to be very close to you. The the the door in a have to be the bulkhead is or first class or business class and pay for that. And that's a cost of touring for me. And if I can't do that I'll drive even I've gotten off planes and drove ten hours and was happy to do it and stay on the ground because it's it and it's just a stress reliever and I've just very happy to do 'cause I'm just thinking makes the dock and when you guys did those reunion shows a few years ago those are in Japan. So that's that's a first class ticket. Thank God for alcohol and other other things. Wow Wow so all right well I mean I just know. I didn't even air all my fricking dirty dirty laundry. There's other people that that's right. I'm sure but used instabilities challenging. Because you're touring musician and there are worse things though right of course there are. I mean I can work around this. Yeah he found a workaround today to get here. Yeah you find a way to make it work otherwise. I'd be doing this for my car on the phone so that would've been weird. George Lynch from eight floors at your car just yell. The the widow from the parking structure could hurt. Doug did you know this. I found out about a month ago. Because you guys have not toured together no unfortunately McKay. Xm has not played live yet. which is something? We'll get into in a second but but you do. You're going to have to make sure you take care of our boy George the first time we learned when we did. What video is that Break out in that elevator and it was going up and down which is what the song is about yes in. It took us about an hour to get him in that elevated. Take to do that and we did it. Twice Guy got stuck. It did get stuck. How did you feel Oh dude had to talk myself? I had to close my eyes. I close your eyes and you go to your happy place and just had to any got going right away. And it wasn't open freight elevator an old antique sheikh freighter. So I could see out so that helped if I if I go to Vegas. You know a glass elevator where I can see Atrium and I can see everybody. That makes a lot better because I don't like the height height Sir I I don't. I don't like that at all. Doug if you've ever had any phobias like like that snake water and snakes. Can you swim no so you. Wow I never learned to swim now. I'm withdrawing when I was a kid in my friends took me out in the water dumped me. Let me go and almost drama cousin came and got me and from that point on head of fear of the depths. It's like water to me is I. Don't know how deep it is where the bottom is so. That's the fear in snakes I'm dyslexic slick moves. I can tell which way it's going and as a kid. I never understood that. So have you done my saw a snake. I thought it was going running after to me and I was afraid of it and I would always run but one Dow Standard Street and watch the snake cross the street and I swear to God it was going left but every every time I kept looking at it it was going that way but in my mind it was going the opposite way. And that's when I realized that George said everybody's got their thing man. Did you ever have a desire to learn how to swim. Just for safety would love to in fact get past it. No I can because it's a matter of trust in not knowing that I can float I know that if I'm one time I was in the ocean and I was on a held put my hand on a French shoulder and I was fine. It is long as I know. There's something steady I can get into waters right. Oh not see the bottom as much as just no. I'M GONNA float. That makes more sense of pool with George on the Mike when you because if you can hear your life you go to a pool and you can see your feet are you. Okay Yeah but when I see the six inch inch the six feet deep eight feet deep part my balls crawl up everything and I can't deal with it so so I just down. I can get in water but just not look down if I knew I was GONNA float. Okay I mean I've been on both think this would all the things we're talking about. Should be our next video. Okay and called US on Claustrophobia. Phobia agoraphobia. You got it just. What are you writing process? Now we have to give him credit transposes snakes. Okay 'cause I'm not going to be in a room and if you don't do it see maybe okay. It might help me to get over. UH-HUH I'm not getting in an elevator in the video. Either if only snake in the house I would move. What phobia does Rahab? Yeah you gotta find find out. He's allergic to guitar. Players raising national. Now right yeah so we should study. It seems that way not everybody. We should put him on chiefly text him and see if he wants to call in for a segment and have them on the phone. We'll do that. It'd be good day Ray. In this conversation conversation since we're going to talk about a bunch of different stuff of course but K.. Xm Is what you guys are here to talk about. The new album circle of dolls is out third third album third album already. You believe that. That's just hands Livesey. Go somebody tell me tell me about what doing this one. As opposed to the last two anything you did I love the record. I was listening to it this morning. Actually for the first time and I was telling George I like the first record little better better than the second record and then this record I like maybe better than any of them sadly. That's not saying that because we're here but I have to. I'm I'm GonNa live with it a little bit more and I'll make my final ranking but tell me about going into the third one because to me. Tell me if I'm wrong here but one of the things I love about what you guys do with CAC exam. It feels very live. It feels like three guys walking into a room and then just kind of coming up with something and just just going with it and just very organic and spontaneous. Is that just the way it sounds to me or is that the way it's created it's pretty much created that way. It sounds like I mean do did you guys go in with loose ideas or you come up with a measure jamming. What's the process not allowed? That's the law. Is the the songwriting police. Yeah compositional national security. He does not allow that he can detect it. He has a bullshit detector or somewhere and like when we're jamming and sometimes I'll be in the parking lot the studio that morning or be driving in and have some kind of little things in my head are on my phone or something that I've been digging around with and lock in go. Hey you know. Let's I'll start playing hill. He'll he'll immediately like no. You're right Yep we did attorney calls it out. Everything's gotta be fresh and he changes the beat. He makes it impossible to play. Data changes the beat. And a Lotta Times. The songwriting starts with Ray. It's crazy I've never been in a band with a guy like the drummer starts the song you'll you'll sit on his drums and he'll be testing and he'll just play some kind of rip stop play that again polly tribal yeah and I'll find a baseline and and then George looks up on 'cause that's cool and we'll jam on it for a few minutes. Then we'll have Chris recorded. We'll we'll for a few times until we own it. You know we just keep keep going and going and then we'll record it and then say that's apart let's do another one will make up and it's all parts parts together and that's exactly what it feels like to me in a good way though it feels like it's just kind of flowing taps boosting thing though the what we're talking about Ray. This is what ray does after we make up five or six parks or three or four however many we decided to make up men. George walkaway Enra- pops into the studio and he cuts and pastes until makes it a song and makes really cool sentence. He'll come in and say. Hey guys check this out. Can we play this song. Can you sing a course to this and I go you you know yes we always say. Yeah because we're always up for the challenge no matter what it is pretty much in wriggles back in in place the whole song straight through owning it. That's our bed. That's how so you so so any preconceived ideas are not welcome. You can't go in Georgia if you have a riff that came do you the night before and you WanNa bring that into say. Hey guys I want I got an idea. Let me show you. That's forbidden unless I disguise it really well later but I never never. ooh because you know what. There's no lack of ideas. I mean the thing is it's really interesting that all three of us all contribute like thirty three and a third percent is crazy. Dougie's just like a lot of those risks are are are are dougie. Just coming up on with them on the base which I'm not used to because just because as you have the guitar in your hands. You're pretty much writing most of the rifts in most bands you know just by nature by default but not the case in. It's it's like I said we describe how ray comes up with Steph. And Dougie does two. He'll be he'll be doing these broken ribs on his base which are like sound cool. And I'm like okay and I I try to copy that you know so so I'm just a third contributor. You know which which is very strange icing on the cake. Yeah Yeah Yeah. Raise the science fouts foundation on the GROOVE. And then you just put the icing on top of that makes it a cake and then we find words and what is the name K. XM where did it come from. King's x Lynch mob in corn ex things ex lynch mob Amsterdam Sergei because like a lot of my friends will call it. They still after how many years we've been together like six years call. It connects Villi. Yeah oh I didn't know yeah. It's a tough named get right. So never king's x is the K. k. k. where's corn corn corn is. You don't even know your own letter. I don't think is case for why is M. I'm for Lynch mob for George Gale. Alexis Cool Yeah Jimmy. We wait well ninety more. Oh Kill George. He always wants to change things done by the way. This wouldn't be the first time I sat with George during your interview and try to change a bad name remember was CNN or Jud. Worst Joe Tell me if you've been in you've got me beat scan say boy. Do I win exactly the committee. A few bucks no Stevia. Hello Oh my gosh. Got Elevators here that are killing them. We got no CBS. Yeah place just fallen apart charged Thursday for parking no not getting paid for a coupon. So that's cool so you're not getting paid about GonNa look into you. Get Ten cents off the feud were old. We need our coupons. Got My ear and I won't do it. I won't sign up. Okay I'm GonNa tell you the most exciting thing that happened to me so far this year and Doug is going to relate to this big time. He put you on the spot on his birthday party. I got thirty seconds. They just wait. Wait wait this'll be a great tease doing radio talk about Uh. I don't know if I should talk about what's up. Brian Deegan here. I'm excited to bring you our podcast. The Degan begins. That will be every Wednesday on podcast. One and apple podcast. We'll be covering many subjects such as racing family. How we stay together? How he thrive as a family? So I think it's exciting. We're going to cover all those subjects and many more. Check out our new podcast airing every Wednesday on podcast podcast one and on Apple podcast. Don't forget to subscribe rate and review. George what did you want to say before the break you had A. I had a big reveal about. Doug did you know it's very excit- was something that Doug can relate to Because neither one of us are spring chickens. Whatever although we're like in good shape and stuff yeah we've still play good and all that crap but anyways I got my Medicare card last week and that's going to talk about on the radio but for me at this point born in my life? I'm like really really excited. I thought it was going to be bummed when it happened. And I'm like I'm officially like a gold. It'd be to get that sixty five sixty five sixty fifty five Next week yet. I can't take it but I'm not gonNA take him. Oh wait I so your health coverage basically is golden the rest of the wedge. Whatever WHOA has your home really excited about getting sick I WANNA get no? It's got a colonoscopy yesterday. He had no come on. I got percents. I'm fine but it's so he can see your car and how much nothing you walk out the door. How old are you sixteen nine son of sixty five pitch so hey raise the baby of the ban? He's like fifty two he's so cute. We'd like squeezes chances. The second hold on a second and and I am not just saying this because you guys are sitting here the two of you guys for your age. I've always known that. Have you seen this guy with his shirt off. Yes hello yeah you know how fucking she should. He makes me curiously thin. I mean how do you do that by the way how. You've always been thin right. Yeah never never like never even even as you got older. That's not a real. I have many relatives. My older that didn't gain weight either. It's just runs in my family but because of and I are working August twenty five situps pushups pull ups and curls every day just twenty five then doing for forty years. Every day I get up. I'll go and I'll just do my pull ups about twenty five of them and push ups in everything. I do that but you always looked. I mean 'cause I knew Doug when when kings xr assigned to mega-force I worked there and I ninety ninety eight eight year I met Doug back then and we were shocked at that point to learn how old Doug was because out grady looked then and which just crazy bloomers thirty eight when first record came crazy and we know George went through his Lynch Lynch biscuit phase with all bulked up would you George was Sam. He has all he taught about. What's going to the gym pump? I've eaten care about playing steroids. It's messed up the plane right when did did I. Finally I had a a wake-up moment and I was like wait a minute. Am I in my putting on earth here to place more space than my hair to create music. And I couldn't play my arm. We'd get Get these a source like just get stiff in the middle of my performance playing live scary or something I I just my arm would just freeze political what. What inspired fired you to do that? You just mentioned royds well is going through a personal stuff My marriages and things like that. You know so. I've been married four times but in but so manifest able to deal with whatever's going through at the time Just kind of reinventing myself zone sets from the outside in you know and it worked for me. I don't regret even though it led to a lot of problems for me. I don't regret doing it because it really got me through it alive you you know. Got Me through some really rough periods in my life where I was. You know where to go. You wasn't finding Jesus and wasn't you know it wasn't Palooza the things that weren't happening for me so just like an his kind of in a low spot career wise and so I was going through a divorce and it helped me feel better about myself and Give me the energy and the positive optimistic outlook hopeful outlook than I needed to keep pushing forward every day. Did somebody turned you onto royds Yeah my best friend. Got Me hooked hooked. It's like any other drug because you the greatest fear is shrinking. One taking up less space if somebody says hey man you lose weight you would lose your mind. Wow Yeah it's a real it's like reverse this morphine. It's like reverse. I guess at Anorexia I guess we opposite. Yeah how did you do. Where's injections or pills? Sir What do you do everything. Wow that's great so people say I got AIDS manorexic and all kinds of stuff. Just laugh at them. Always Man Dan. I mean yeah but you you you say but you guys you still naturally thin but you can't be. Naturally the hulk not happen have weighed one. Thirty five six out. Seventeen it I never gained. Your body has a certain way it wants to be. It's called homies. Stays wants it. No it has a set point where it's comfortable and balanced and that's the way nature wants you to live who exist now. What do you do now? You pay the price later. That's true. George George you're in great shape now still do you work thank you. Well have ads like this guy all my wife. Actually we you know. We went to his birthday party and he was pretty much. You know shirtless in half naked at the birthday party is making me feel really bad about myself and my wife's like dude. Honey I love you but why can't you look more like Doug I love you. You're at some point. I know they're under there at sixty five years old. Oh God bless you that you still looking for APPs man. That's amazing that is amazing. All right so let's circle back to back to the band to your K- Xm. Will there be a live show three albums now. Will there be a live show. We know that Ray is the problem. We're always going to blame rag here. He's in that Band Korn but will there be live. Shows this ban screams to be heard live in my opinion. I think it's going to happen. Yeah there's an eighty percent chance right and happened in December carved out some times. We're just trying to work out the law logistics in promoters money and see if anybody wants to come fifth most bands when they do their first live show. It's like well. We only have one record of original material. So we're GONNA have to fill it out with some covers unionize three albums albums to pull us. We're not GONNA do. We're not going to play songs from our respective other bands if you'll want to do there so the cheese you because you've got you've got Three albums of material. Well we got Almost forty songs to pick from plus Plus Guitar Solo and Drum Solo. which has to be because you guys are the wearing one of those things? Put you to sleep the bandwidth to guys. Who are hard known for for for that? He knows so they gotta do their souls that me no baby solo no basal on. What are you kidding? I suggest I we do one song where we all change instruments. Does everybody know how to play drums. I can't play drums of all. You can't beat food food and replace short songs play Bass Bass Sing. I don't know if you want to call it sinks. Thank George. You're the lead singer in your band here in L. A. Early on is that true. I read that recently northern California at a band called Gladiator solter galactic gladiator the blue skies. And we were kind of. We would dress in costumes that that are mom. made us out of material and stuff and then we'd lightning bolts and things like that and then we would. We would blow up everything we had. Tons of flash pots we had flash troughs actually would rain gutters full of gunpowder and our friends would set them off and we'd sometimes blow ourselves. We blew up our whole bedroom center and firing purnell equipment down which is why we broke up. But anyways the band's called Zoltan old heart elected gladiator the blue skies and I was the lead singer had no business being lead singer making up. You can't make that no songs less than fifteen minutes long. So you think K exempt bad super prog Larson's were journeys that always ended up somewhere else reports your very first band. No No. My first band was Tonga's grump donor band. Blues and Rock Tunguska Tunguska Room sold out on on Katie was the last one happened he wanted to hear all kinds of different names. But I don't know I just like the I got my way Kinda you know I was pretty forceful about just the letters. What's your first name? Your first band's name Stone flour stone flower slanted family stones. My favorite band his production company with Stone Better Cake Sam sneak preview before Kings Ed's sneak preview review than king's x the edge sneak preview and king's x Cool Ed's we yeah. We loved the edge but we found later that a bunch of bands had that name so we changed to sneeze. You call it the edge. You'll get a lot of people come to your shows because I think it's a guitar player to you back when we that was nineteen eighty-one. I named kings kings acts in there was. We didn't know anything about the time. Yup Well you came out exactly is almost the same time except When I heard them we're already called the end and then I said Wow Topless call the just weird so let me ask the obvious question for the audience. How did how did K.? XM come together. Uh where does how does George Lynch Doug Pinnock Raylucia all connect whereas the connection mutual fans of each other's work. I'm sure but where is the genesis of the idea of doing a band and a trio come from who whose ideas it where it is at Germany. They was raised. I and we all wanted to but raise the guy that we went to raise house for a birthday party for Sunday. One years old and I'd never really hung out with George or ray really. I've known I'm for long long time and and stuff. I never really went to a party and just kind of hung out in Ray had a small studio that he built in his house at when he lived here and he says Seaman got a studio. We ought to jam sometime in the next thing I remember. We made a record in twelve days a few months later. I don't know how it happened with George calls up and says hey hey dudes I gotta studio kind of I mean. We got to go do this. Now Georgia's he gets real excited and goes it's gotta be done and And we look around and go. Let's go make a record. Ah Pushy when I wanted to. He's very pushy. Kind of very right. It's just to a fault you know a lot of the only reason. It's not a fault in our band. It is because me and ray made a pact instead. We were GonNa let him overpower succeeded. We real you in we love. Is that the key Doug I think selling with George George unbelievably cool personality which can be misunderstood. In as long as you're secure with yourself you're fine with George. Sometimes you'll say things and you don't know if you're serious or if he's joking or making fun and joking I know I think I've learned and be but you up to just go blind. Sometimes go there Susan. He's not fucking with me. He's just having fun. You know into a rat can see why people might hate you. I'm working on it. We're we're GONNA be yourself man so I believe is big yourself alienating people but if you're not hurting anyone hill off and I don't think so so I think you've heard their ego. You make them you know they have the problems you know you can't you can't we. Can't go around and be somebody else for people just because their feelings going to get hurt. I'm tired of blood. This whole thing hurt my stop. It did it how offended I'm offended. How I how easily you're offended Yes that's my offense war of words on the married a woman that can out then she can put me in my place. That's funny bring that up because everybody knows I just read a huge interview with you George and Don dock in in the new issue of Rock Candy magazine a British magazine where you both. What did an interview re very extensive interview? I just read it on the plane coming out here and I should have brought us. You can see it but they get a lot of it is about the perceived or the dysfunction in dock and over the years and the push pull all that you know to me. I've known you for a longtime and Ivanhoe Dom for a long time and I honestly would tell people at least privately even if not on the air say George you know he he he his a deck man but I deal with them but I never I can honestly say George I can honestly say at least now. Look I'm not around you like being in a band but I can honestly say I've never ever ever gotten that vibe from you and in fairness honestly I've never had nothing but great experiences with don either but even like when you played on that metal show I remember we had a George in the stands playing a couple of times and it was just. It was amazing and we had guitar players. PULLED SOME EGOS staff and I don't want this here ear and that's got to be you know you. Just you've always been very easy easy and I don't know like is it something I'm not seeing or if you have to be in a band liked it is it is. It's assholes will call out there assholes or they'll make you do they'll think sure being an asshole. That's what I'm trying to say it's like you know I mean I think of these people that don't like George because they're the asshole well go to be fair when there's another side to our business which is the business when it comes to the business on pretty hard nosed sued if you issue. Maybe I don't know whatever it is but it's important part of the business that I deal with and it's it's my livelihood and my family support support my family keep my college and you know all the things that I do and I love that part of his none afraid to say how much he feels. He's worth any demands that Elsie won't do it and I think that's a beautiful thing because a lot of times my problem was I just do things for free and we're doing this for free for when you could. You know we all we make a living at what we do you. We know we do this refunding and we just go home and hang out but no we gotta get paid and you ask about Don and then we started talking. So here's the difference between the two. Do things with us. We we all work really hard equally hard and we all split everything up equally period every okay and there's no oh nobody's counting any beans there's bean counters and span. We don't care we'd put that aside even though I wanna get paid twice because I sing in place and I'm actually I look. I agree with you doesn't want that to happen. Because he's an asshole but but don on the other hand and other people I work with a different relationship because of the business not be personally I could sit here with Donald. have an interview. We're fine You know people just just hanging out and even making music and stuff but it's when it comes to the business that we have Some friction friction sincerest Birch. I've said this so many times in. It's just the truth. If you want to trace back drama or issues or ask questions why things did not happen with any band in any scenario whether it's concerts records whatever if you trace all the lines back eventually ninety nine percent of the time it lands on business and money and I want to ask Getty Lee how. It was possible for rush to exist zest for over forty years with the same three guys with what seemed like never hiccup and he said because we never let things get heavy and from the get-go oh it was a third a third a third. It didn't matter whether it was merch publishing sales and we never had a problem in our life and you know Doug you said something you you said something a second ago when we were talking pieces to you're talking about only three pieces of the pie bigger pieces but Doug Doug reference this a second ago because I was talking about k.. Xm Live shows. There was going to be any you and I I registered with me me because this is not something most artists would do. Most artists love to project. Hey were only in this for the fun to serve the fans. Sure you are but it's also your business your livelihood. It's how you make your living when you when I asked you a cake. Some live shows you said and of course money and if the promoters orders have money for us which most people wouldn't say in a context of radio interview but it's very revealing and it's true they may not say it but that's really what drives in can't play go out and play you need gas need vehicles. You need rooms. You need to make it work while you come almost music business and unique in that sense where the perception is for artists with them to be pure they have to be non-committed or interested in any kind of financial gain which is what makes any organism in the history of the universe. Operate operate because all it is is an exchange of energy so it's the barter system with currency and that's all it is and and it has to be equitable. I mean that's the the ideal is that that it's equitable in other words amount of energy that works changing. Is You know correlates to how much money you're making so if we go out there and play a show I I mean we've got mortgages and you know we've got mouths to feed just like everybody else. So why is it like that for musicians were for every other business. It's not you know what I mean. 'cause we're going out and I'm having fun with our friends you're just playing good leasing doesn't sound like a real job until me why you're worth until so you quote unquote and make it then. All of a sudden they want to be your best friend out in swimming. You're swimming pool. I had a friend come out with me on the road Once very very good friend came out with me and this was in the ninety S. He goes I WANNA. Can I go on the road with you for a week. I'm a hell you. It'll be fun and he got him. We had a bus everything he lasted two days. Yeah he lasted two days. I don't know how you do this. I have people that come to my my studios at my home and I've worked with and they've come in hung out. You know people I work with. And they're just like and they've spent their days with me and they're just like how do you do this. You do this all the time we we don't sleep. Do we wake up and go to bed at six. In the morning I go to bed at twenty one every single day seven days a week every day Sunday stew. You've got to get it done. Well Yeah I mean even what I do. It's it's kind of twenty four seven because you're still on the weekend okay. I'm getting ready setting up for Monday. And the one thing we all share in common what I do what you guys do is at the end of the day where we're independent contractors. Work we are money. Goes like this up and down based on what's going on and what the opportunities these aren't those valleys in manage money versu- fine. Yeah you diversify which means I. I learned the nineties. When Rock became rock guitar became weird? And it was kind of embarrassed to admit that you've played Solos and shit like that and So I start building guitars working on my endorsements and playing for other people and composing for other people and and that leveled the valleys and peaks a little bit to where. It wasn't so bumpy so it wouldn't have these. You know huge dips in my in my income. Yes and say I do multiple radio shows and podcast and TV stuff and hosting stuff people asking. Why why do you fly all around the country new these different things well because I do generally enjoy it and I do generally enjoy -joy enjoy connecting and meet and meeting fans and people that appreciate what I do but I also got three mouths to feed wing at all mature gets coming up on college? Edged wow. I didn't know that what's what's the waters years away from squeezy. Dougie when we're playing that's easy right we're stage you're you're you're basically in his own time and space and you're basically meditating right for that but you don't have to pay me for the other twenty two interesting there and also it seems like the more we play music and more we do this and they can see his seems like people seem to want to borrow all money from us. They wanted us to bail them out. I wanted to talk to you about that if we could talk to you all this money I the less than you do. What are you talking about? I left my cash in my other pants. I wouldn't get some in the conversation. Is the band circle. Erkel of dolls is the album. It's out now. It's their third album. It sounds like we're finally going to get live shows from this killer ban but with the audience. Doctor you guys a little bit but before we take a couple of calls. There's one last thing from me talking about money you don't have to tell me the amount or anything but you remember. I'm sure you do. How could you forget each of you? What the biggest like the the big for you dug it? It may not have happened out of. I've never you never got the huge pay now. I ever. You never had a record company with a big fat check with like you know seven Zeros on it or anything because the perception of kings and I've talked about this show of you having been there when you were assigned was always at the band was so much bigger than what the reality was in. Sales Rosen receipts but you you still probably. Did you ever have any moment where it was just like whether it was for a Gig or some rich guy offer you a ton of money to play his backyard. Yard Woodstock was no. Here's here's the deal. The biggest moment manager Sam Taylor back in the day he control everything so we never got any money from him. I mean money. Thousands the hundreds of thousands of dollars went through. But we didn't get it. We didn't see it and when he left it was all over but the biggest check I ever got was twenty seven thousand dollars. I remember it was on on the Gretchen record. Because we got a three hundred thousand dollars t shirt deal and I got twenty seven thousand dollars out of it and and Sam took all the rest when I was just GonNa say you got three guys twenty seven times. Three is all Canadian to listen in. Sam was in We're only we're getting three hundred dollars a week. So Jerry was behind on his bills and everything and Sam kept saying we didn't have any money and so he would borrow extra money from the band the end so that Sam said whenever we get a big payoff he has to pay us back soon. We got the twenty seven. Jerry got money Sam. Didn't give him any because he owed it to him and it was like I thought we all thought ourselves. This is not right this is you know now with Dell was getting close to the end of December I would think yeah I would thank took everything the woodstock when you guys played woodstock. Ninety nine was that a big was at a big payday. I never known because I don't know how much money remain. I don't know what we're the money went. That's tragic man. And that's why George is the way George is he's on top of the business. Wants to go wrong with that. If you have a manager and you go to him to how much money we makin econd. What's on the books and he says don't you trust me? Get rid of them George for you are making more money than you get rid of if they won't tell you what's going on when when they instruct Dec- pe- as not to tell the people you just hit the nail on the head that's how managers control the flow of the money because they hire the business manager the CPA and that that business managers beholden to them more than artists because business manager is going to bring them his whole roster. Yeah and they're artists are are coming. Go We got an E. CPA and he sent his the books Against request and we're on the Road Sandy. No it read it. We opened up and we saw so much money. Being Baroni Away God even authored. He even offered people money to help their business saying that we got so much money coming in game. You need extra money for your business and and stuff in the three of us were sitting there making three hundred bucks elite. You know the best thing a young man can do or bandits like starting to do something is keep the money away from the man. Keep the the accountant control. You control the account. 'cause that's were that's where all the shit happens yearly. Joel George Real Quick The pinnacle hole for you how to be docking. Was it like monsters. Rock Pinnacle for me advance. Wise was The two I lynch mob records which is One point three MIL-. Whoa but I am having her record or both both record over one hundred thousand four record? I'm going to say so. So leaving docket for you even with the best years docking and early Lynch mob years in the late eighties and early nineties. I am doing better now. I'm having my best here this year in my whole life is it because you're you're doing so much diverse style guitar company. I have seven endorsers. I have six or seven different musical projects. I play play music for other people plan other people's records I do pride it deals I it just on and on I do gear transactions adduced all kinds of the money to six hundred thousand for those Lynch mob records you were you. Were just complaining about people now wanting money to borrow money minutes minutes ago and now you're that bad swimming lesson. I told you I left my passion my other. I have to say this about money. It's is a coupon we process. How do you make money? You make money by saving. Money has got to give Brian Slagle. A shout out for Metal Title Blade is when kings left Atlantic and we joined up with metal blade. He signed King's x and he signed me for two solo record deals. And those advances Vance's for me help me put money down on a house and a studio without without those things I wouldn't have. It lifted me up and I always thank them for would at. Aren't you doing the best now that you've ever done the best of evidence right. We both a Lotta people are in our that our friends for all everybody's firing on all cylinders. It's not alive. It's just enough to keep going and not worry. That's what you need and social security when I got social security all that. Oh tell me keep going man when I get that that's my rent. so that's everybody's worry remember when we used to lie about her age. Transparency here folks. The new album is called circle of dolls from Kfi am which also includes deludes. Ray Loser who were going to call ray or we're going to get on the boat and yeah. How do we do that? Often he wait. I'm going to text ray right now. A number for him to call in to us so hold on a second producing live on the fly here like we should have our own radio station George you wanted to tell the story though about all I forgot what you said something about bus pissing people might be eating rejoin trait Goldensohn. Everything I thought we were GonNa get that then. I thought about sex talk about colostomy bags and Lynch Lynch Bagging Lynch hot bagging. Hold on talk about that. We're going to we're texting realizations. We hear the number. I'll tell him right now. Not on the Air I can earlier. This Ward Holland Eddie. Put his number in the VX. I can read it and dial it from here in New York. Oh we can do that to hold on a second or producing on the fly folks yup hole on He may get the text and call in I but either whatever happens. didn't ed either or there. You go the numbers in there for you to call ray get the get ready Luzzi on here in a second. He just this landed he just floor England. Teas that guy. Nick does he ever sleeping all man. He doesn't stop right in Kansas. You're on with George and Doug what's going on Brent. Uh Hey man Doug I've been listening to your music for a long time or appreciate it and I have a question that goes back to their early days when you played back with we feel Keggi and we're back in the mid West. I know that you were Invited to be a part of Fan that Greg Bolts had and then that didn't pan out out but there was a rumor going around at one time. Maybe you filled in with Petra leader and I wanted to see if that was true. I wanted to see if there were any other Recordings that she might have done with Phil Keggi that it might not have been Christian per se but might be other people's albums that you guys played on. There's only one record with okay. You put a record out call flipside in he and I wrote to sunk in just a moment away and then I remember. I went back to my relatives house in Kansas City is he. His wife went to the hospital and had her first baby. I'll never forget that. What was the other question A. O. Petra What happened was Greg asked me to join Petra and Jerry also also in when we went to we moved to Springfield Missouri relocated and we got the band broke up in and then we just kinda luckily got to play with full keg for like a year. Yeah and then after that Jerry stuck together and King's x happen. Awesome great thanks very much. Thanks for the question I would suggest and remind mind anybody. WHO's a kings fan to check out a book that came out recently written by Greg? Prato an oral history of King's X and it is a I loved it and you we now me too. I love the way Greg writes books too because he lets everybody else. Tell the story and just as a bunch of interviews and that's what I love about it. I didn't have to tell much of his story. Everybody else did this love. I love hearing what other people say. The guy that wrote the art of the deal ghostwriter the art of the a deal Donald Trump to be funny so I looked into lower base. Humor Chamie Kentucky. What's going on Jamie? How's it going Questions for George. I saw your own hazard touches years ago. Let's let's go kick their ass so You're in early influences. And also what do you think your favorite dock and saw that you played on Well my earliest influences were Jazz musicians and FLAMENCO guitar set. My Dad made me listen to and play along to. That's what I learned. Initially from and then I went into Blues and R&B and then the Beatles happened and then that led to the British invasion with with the four horsemen Hendrix Clapton. Page and back and I was on my way you grew up here on the southern California for new seen playing. You talked about some of your earlier band Jimmy Hendrix you saw Hendry met hundreds you met Hendrix right after this story. We're GONNA quick break and we're gonNA talk to Raylucia. He's now hold. Tell that story. I didn't know you met Hendricks. He posted a pitcher and Tang photo with holiday. My friend tonight No I think I was sixteen or seventeen percent skinny George. I can't remember but My friend and I we've had our little band together and we would always go hang out with the music store. And he was playing the form I believe so he had came into the store for some reason and got to meet him. I didn't realize the profound of that until later years. I did to a certain extent but not like I do now but she got a photo of it which is of course. Now everybody's released photo of everything was taken one of those little one ten cameras with Flash Cube Goethe's instagram their attack sent them to once you've never met Hendrix. No no no no no older than seven. He's got a photo what we looked a lot alike. Mike and we're both left handed in. I used to wear headbands and had an afro just like heeded your the Bass playing version of Hendrik people look at us and go dude. You look just like an ice tell people Williams like related to me back in the day to start. It was cool all right. Well so pretend superman race we now go to the phone and welcome in the third third. Oh my God and he now joins us and we were just talking during the break. They're not together all that often even for interviews so we we have reunited and have all three members of K. Xm With Raylucia. Now joining us on the phone. What's going on the most important member of the fan is on the phone now now that has been established was established before you even were listening out? They all said that that's true except for exactly the opposite. No the reason you're not here Sirius. Xm actually requested you not here. This is what I live with the to. Just go at it all day long. He doesn't understand dude he's not a musician he's Hamad Rail Rail Texas and say hey. Hey George how's how's alone to mom. Doing my favorite Bra mandalit lunch. I really hurt my feelings. I feel Tara Gray. Where are you matter you out with court? I'm not I just got back from England and Manchester did on. You'RE GONNA start out there. You know but drum Geek Eddie and I do all the drum stuff and so I Did a strom festival. It's like twenty amazing being just insane drummer so I just got back a little bit jet lag but I'm in Nashville now from home. So they had like twenty really great drummers and you the all the side right here you're in a really big banning all over the world headlining festivals. You really did did you. Did you really bring this upon yourself. You know what I did. Today are s picking up. I was picking up dog. Shit my backyard they were he's an ageing rockstar. And I said you know I'm gonNA give x Rockstar. Hello and we have covered the age thing. It's funny 'cause you're hitting on all the things we we covered. It's almost like you're lessening the aging thing and and everything else uh-huh these guys these these guys were saying you're the arbiter of what K- xm sounds like in other words. You're the one that really cracks the whip and comes up with stuff. I found it really interesting earlier when they were saying that if they come in with ideas in advance. You're the one that says that's not allow George comes in. I never come up with that. That's the whole point. That was my idea. No nobody comes with. At least I have some idea all good song No yeah that was the big ruled told you but like you know if George said hey been working on this thing. We're like well. Then why don't you lie and say you weren't working to you know because that's the whole thing. Can we kick them right one day. move onto the next so they were saying earlier now. Three studio records that it feels like it feels is like a live show maybe in the works or some live shows coming up we have a window. It definitely I haven't we finally window. Corden pushed our tour November toward back toward at the end of January. Now so We all there's a darn good chance of it Now and do little ready to sever and we're trying to work out logistics and routing and seep. It's all feasible but this is the closest we've ever got since what George and Doug Thirteen fourteen. We started Hispan- ago. Yeah well if you're GONNA do December you'd have to probably get ready to start an now. We're we're late September we hurt and learn the psalm. I'm on hinder experience to over the next three weeks Monday. Are you doing it again. It would set a tonight. I saw you do that New Jersey. It was bad as how many times I guess what you better. You better get on it. Ah but that's killer that band that that Doug did on the experience Hendrix is is Doug Kenny aronoff and Joe Saturation. Dan Right My God that was killer. I saw that New Jersey on this run I forgot. There's another leg coming out well. There goes the dates right. Thanks you go back into corn we the month after that then we have. I have off so we can do the December thing we gotta rehearse. We've never played things to get a song. You guys is it. Never can't you would've never rehearsed for live show because we're not gonNA play these songs we're just GonNa make up shit too. You know how we ride our records. And that's what we're GONNA do we're gonNA improvise our live show and cut and paste people here with the audience going to participate in the process. I've learned the songs the only no bias is the the videos we've done because you figure them out by the time you can play it and saying crazy so we just need to do a lot of videos we got to be scattered bringing I got there and they say okay you gotta look thinking. I'm thinking I've never played this song. It and it took a couple of times link-up linkup scatterbrains hard song. They sing and play. These are not easy home to right. No glad we were pretty much a studio band from the Gecko but then obviously wanted to play live. I just did stars. Which is the first song off of our first record the other day in Manchester to You Know Doug and George were there on the laptop did the minus drums thing right. Just play and I actually actually soundcheck with scattered rain and I was like I'm not GonNa do this today. 'cause it's a barn burner man. I wasn't ready to it so but I was planning on it but since Duggan and I are older. Is there any way we can do the tour like that. What's that Oh? Yeah sure I'll just play to your cardboard cutouts on and we could be on the IPOD. I know in order to send the check right. At my address they did a whole you know to Pakistan was holograms and deal. Why not right? Hello it's doable. I know I know a guy I know a guy it was jeff. I know a guy well ray with you. I'm good man. I'm before I go because I'm I'M GONNA run out of time here anything you want to hit or mentioned we cover cats and pretty good before you got on but you got corn stuff coming up the record the new record that sort of stuff anything you want to you mention. We just got off a great tool with allison chains. It was awesome. Thanks for everyone out there. It came out to Definitely a lot of stuff twenty twenty we just bought Rock Bring Park all those festivals in Europe and and Super Proud and nothing that record everyone please go by. Don't download it for free and Yeah that's about. It looks like seriously all the fans out there. Look look for data because it's looking more and more promising. We're really going to try to do at this time. A bunch of people weren't hitting US up so please keep on 'em official on instagram Graham and in the rat packer sight to check it all out. Yeah I mentioned I mentioned to these guys and I said that a lot of time solve you guys hearing this music and the way you record it and do it it. It just screams to be heard live. It really does so. I'm really excited to see a live show and I hope it absolutely comes off and congrats on all this stuff with corn. I had I had Jonathan Pinhead on my show not too long ago for the record while you guys around with allison chains. I know that's doing great as well. So anyway man travel safe and hopefully I'll see you soon. Okay right appreciate shit man. Thank you everyone short your rehearsal. CNN shedding your love. You see you man there. He Goes Ray losey easy. Everybody checking in for a few little cameo there. There's your union does very good interview by the way. I just saw that speaking of rat pack doc records and Joe and who who does your records and I love what he does because he puts a lot into putting out physical product. There's always like a t shirt and I love all that stuff picks and buttons and stickers and never. Just here's these days. Only get anybody send you anything let alone which half the time I just delete but you you I saw in the in the rundown for the new K.. Xm record that they did it on cassette. Yeah I have mine that's insane. What is that at that? I've been talking about that. That's becoming a thing. Then actually play him. I think they just kind of keep him as Hendrix tribute record is out on cassette to issue. So you have your own record on cassette is the so the tape that's in it is actually the record opened yet but I have pulled out my cassette functional function and the music on it is actually. Your assets never sounded good so they sounded great. Yeah okay so I had a guy on this show a couple years ago. Who did he did a documentary about out cassette zoo called cassette? She got it. I got it on on itunes. It was a ninety nine cent download or whatever and it talked about the importance. The People Forget. How important cassettes were? Because it was the first time we were able to recruit horribly record music and record our own stuff off and it talked the whole story of cassettes even to the point of how they impacted having answering machines. which took cassettes that? You couldn't have done so it's really fascinating but the biggest biggest reveal was that the guy told me this two years ago. That one hundred and seventy thousand cassettes were sold in that year two years ago. New New cassettes. Oh Oh so. It's not as nuts as it sounds. What's old is new again? which is good for us since we all just talked about our vinyls exceeded CD sales in the unless couple thousand CDs cassettes. Throw away your because they will come back. And there's a catch on that though George because I'm a big CD. Eighty Guy Right. Here's the catch on that of an album cost forty dollars a CD cost ten. So if they're doing a calculation based on revenue units. It's four to one on some money wise. It's four to one two so yeah the CD is still hanging in there tool just sold one hundred thousand copies of their new album on CD did you. Oh no you didn't because I don't have I tunes. I Pied Okay because they can't find the second visible CD. Oh let's look at it. Well visit with those guys Ray Loussier Doug Panic and of course George Lynch on the podcast this week and great to have those guys on and spent some time chatting with them and talking about sandwich they mentioned mentioned in the interview on and off the air at the time we did that they were hoping to do live shows with K.. XM indecember well. We're in December and they ain't doing any live shows so the streak of not ever playing live continues for that band which just screams to be heard live in my opinion. We'll see if that happens somewhere down the line but those guys are also very honest and I always applaud that transparency that they've also got offers offers of money. That makes sense for them to do it. which you know is not an easy thing to do? So we'll see what the future holds. All right thanks to you George. Thanks to Doug and thanks to ray on the phone. Thank you to you guys for listening again. Follow on twitter at Eddie Trunk. Instagram fan page on on facebook. Eddie Trunk Dot Com is the official online home if you're in La. I hope to see a Thursday December twelve at the rainbow for the next L. A. Invasion this one with a holiday party theme totally free. Join me seven to nine. PM Pacific on the Patio at the Abo- do you get a chance to talk earlier. In the open about the whole Motley crue reunion DEF leppard poison in thing I touched on the crew reunion a couple of weeks ago to go back. And listen to that podcast if you want to get my thoughts on the undoing of the farewell well tour but now of course the tour being official with poison and Leopard be interesting to watch and see how that does with those three. Dan's getting together and going out. We'll keep you posted on that as well be sure to listen to me every day on Sirius. Xm Channel One. Oh six volume two four four and ten to midnight eastern or on demand on the APP Katy sorry produces this podcast. I will see you guys next Thursday for new episode Uh Yeah the

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105 - Peeking at the Data

Not So Standard Deviations

57:09 min | 6 months ago

105 - Peeking at the Data

"I have not kept up with literally any data science story. What's well no? That's not true keeping track. You're keeping track of governor Andrew Cuomo's appreciation of statisticians. Yeah my God that was. That's actually from crystal escape and it looks like some sort of personal video file like I. I don't know I didn't quite understand like first of all I was like. Is this real? I know I know some sort of deep fake. I only saw the little clip that Chris posted. We're basically a close like he's like you should talk to these statisticians. They never give you a straight answer I now I laughed so hard about. He's like using. I don't give you a straight answer. Talked I think the phrases you should talk to these statisticians right. Yeah they will never give you a straight answer on anything you say that like it seems like when you tweeted that out there was a little bit of like pushed back from various people. Yes I know. I'm probably a little short views on this but I do not have patience for that at all like after responses. Were kind of like indignant outrage about like well of course there should be uncertainty here and then lumper's would like was real out like yes she's probably having a little bit of like twitter moment where it was just like. You're spreading. Disinformation not disinformation but just like anti intellectualism and I was kind of like yes the data scientists. With like an edgy. Take -ment podcast. Hey you talking to you talking about us. I am the source of disinformation. I do only bad. You know what I watched to be awesome. I saw that of Andrew Cuomo like I I did necessarily right away get the sense that like he did it like statisticians or didn't like you know what I mean. No I mean that was the thing I was like. I felt the same way where I was like. This is like kind of like a grudging admiration. it's not even that it's like a game recognize game situation will also if you think about the message that he was saying is basically like look. I am telling you what they're telling me like I'm not making this stuff up. I'm not giving you what you want to hear about pretending like this do than there really is exactly. Yeah exactly the sense. I got and I just having interacted with PM's was sea levels like they want Komo's goal above all else is to be able to like tell people it's GonNa end soon. You know what I mean like like he wants that so bad and so it was kind of like a lake. Of course that conversation went that way where he kept pushing for a straight answer? And that's what I mean. That's the thing that's what journalists do to him so it's like it's it's not even like an unfair way of engaging to him you know like this is just the way these different parties operate like. Everyone was like doing their job and recognized that the other people are doing their job and was like fine with it. You know what I mean. Yeah right you could argue a little bit but maybe he kinda threw the statisticians under the bustle but nevertheless it's like he did it at the end of the day he did the right thing. Oh absolutely yeah and like. He threw them under the bus in the way that citizens should expect to be thrown under the bus. Good explain. We'll just like as a satisfaction you are the ultimate authority on uncertainty. I mean again I. I don't know what it is. That makes me so sympathetic to him. But it's just like again like the point of being a political leader Try to distill things down to like the simplest possible conclusions and so it's like fair for him to be like. Actually you know it makes me. I have not followed very closely like the differences in Bill de Blasios messaging versus Cuomo's but I think de Blasio took on more more of the ownership if the uncertainty and I think in in the end that look a it looks really bad and be. I think he was wrong. About some of the uncertainty. You know end. So where's pull? Those Lake Saint like listen. My role is clearly to try to get a straight answer. The satisfactions clearly are like the arbiters of uncertainty. Ed like sign just like the Messenger here like of course. I wanted to St Story. They gave the St a story. They could you know. That's why I I mean I was just laughing because I wasn't yeah. There's definitely the backlash of like camp. Suspicions be more helpful. And I'm like I don't think he was saying that they weren't helpful lake at all. I know what I heard that. He actually listed everything they had to say and he understood it too exactly. Yeah and like respected it. Yeah I would I if I hear what you're saying terms like Steph should kind of expect to be thrown under the bus of this way it's kind of like you know what the statisticians are used to is like telling people the truth when they don't like to hear it exactly and they should be used to the fact that like people go to like everything you have to say. And that's tough. I mean exactly like the worst situation would be if he ignored it and it was just like no. We think it's fire. We think it's going to end soon right exactly right. Yeah and so. And that's when like as a statistician that's when the righteous indignation should come up in my opinion with like he didn't listen to the uncertainty and I think that's kind of what happened to Blasios like a lot more about like I mean he was Kinda like delayed closing the schools and there is like this tweet. That came up recently where he was like. I'm still encouraging people to go out like here's a good movie to see. I almost like is this fake. Like look so bad. In retrospect and he kind of got to a point where he was just like the point of being a leader is to be decisive despite people panicky game. And so. That's what I'm doing here. And this podcast new Josh Marshall. Typecast like he's just like I've really lost faith in this guy. 'cause like essentially saying like listen at some point you have to enter your own echo chamber like just assume you're doing the right thing whereas Cuomo I see it as like the opposite of that where he's like. Listen I'm purposely. Not Entering the Echo Chamber of like what? I personally want to have happen. These people are still waiting so yeah. I have the same reaction of you where I kind of just like didn't engage with any of the lake. Sessions should be more helpful. Because I'm like or like more better partners because that's like I think this is a sign of like a really healthy partnership so far at least yeah. Yeah so far. Yeah Yeah I think it comes down to like how your reaction to that might come down to how how many how often you've been in that conversation. You know what I mean like. That's true. Yeah I think you're right. I think it might be hard to imagine like how those kinds of conversations occur. If you've never been there you know. Yeah Yeah Yeah I feel like I've been in the hot seat alive of Lake pay because again. This is the way he is offering CUOMO's operates the way like a sea level or any sort of executive would try to operate where like they want the very clean story and so I feel like I'm frequently in the room. Play adding the uncertainty or like pushing the uncertainty forward and I see people evolve. They're like talking points you know and so yeah. I don't yeah it's just it's not the position he described as not one that. I find unusual and again I feel like everyone was just acting the way that like in ways that were aligned with their incentives. And there's one time I had a manager at Oetzi described this in a way that was really helpful where it's just kind of like this is like what. Matrix Org looks like you kind of have your verticals which in this case would be Kinda like executive function. And then you have your kind of horizontal functions. Which would be the data. Scientists in the epidemiologists incisions and like where those two you know like the the plaid the grand like those intersection points are conflicts like they represent where conflict happens and like. That's that's like inherently that that's inherently what should be happening based on that kind of or design principle because you're kind of your incentives are purposefully not aligned. And I think it's worth just remember that other people involved in this and I think the some of like governor has to balance all those interests right and they will they always in any organization conflict right and so that's kind of I think that's the issue right. I mean I think it's everyone. Yeah like you said. Everyone kind of operates their own incentives. But all those incentives put together conflict. You know with each other so right and then I think that made it kind of a charming exchange. Was that that Matrix thing is also present with journalists and Cuomo you know. Yeah so it's like the tables were turned and so he was able to kind of like like in some ways that yeah. It was almost a way of sympathizing with the suspicions of like. Yeah I'm in this position ally where you guys you know. His brother wants him to say that he's going to run for President Day and he's just like no no. Did you see that clip? I did not see that. Would this occur out Kris? Komo's like interviewing him and he was like? Are you thinking about running for President? Cuomo Andrew Cuomo is just like no he's like do you think you'll ever think about it. No I mean how. Can you know what you're going to think about thinking in the future and he's like because? I know no I mean and you're like oh you're really great interviewer wrote but it's just like he. He said no like fifty times and it was just the and and you know he can't possibly be like no isn't necessarily like Cuomo. Chris Cuomo is kind of right that it's like how can you know you're going in five years and it's like yes knows that you can't think that but Andrew Cuomo is shows like now. I got my strong talking point and Joe like in some of their other exchanges to like like. It's just so clear Like politicians income Andrew Cuomo Chris moments some joke about like. Oh you change the talk. You change what you said. That's very politician. Andrew Cuomo like nope straight across the played like straight so. It's just like you can just see these dynamics in her plane all the time anyway. I'm glad we talked about that. I feel validated. But I've been watching his his regular press conferences. No not I. I kind of wish I had the bandwidth. Yeah I I don't know like this this whole election season in this. It's I mean there's something to be said for like I think ultimately I can be I can be vulnerable and honest I think when I look to leaders mostly about their like persona. You know what I mean. It's like Cuomo. Yeah like there's lots of policy issues and his leadership under certain circumstances you know. I think there's a lot to be said. But like he is killing it in terms of what people need right now and just like having. That emotional capacity is like pretty huge. Yeah Yeah so especially when you contrast it with other leaders exactly. I mean even the other governors who. I'm happy with you know. They're just not like someone being magnetically. That is a huge thing. You know. It probably shouldn't be you know when you're talking about government. There's a role for this type of person you know and like should the people who are doing policy decision you know like like. I don't know how much should actually be intertwined like. I know like people in my family. I want to say but like there's there's a reason like maybe the like constitutional monarchy is a good thing. Because you have like like the figureheads who can be like the calming presence and like road take all the like pr flag and then the executives like can do their thing and not have to be as charmaine although that kind of fell apart right. Now you know you don't need a constitutional monarchy you just need to separate the head of state from the head of government right interesting right so like you know like I mean this is not a great example but I think like Russia does that you know China does that those are but they they both have presidents prime ministers so right. Yeah that's a good point. Yeah exactly and so and like I think the kind of like emotional leadership right now is just so needed and especially I mean especially given that late. It's like increasingly secular. You know population which you know no comment one way or another on that and I don't have league especially profound views there but like I do think the need for like like in the past like looking for emotional leadership would have been in churches and like in religious organizations. And that's just not happening now. So people are like they needed somewhere and so having the I have a I have like an acquaintance. Did Her history dissertation on this early government essentially like became kind of like family structure. Where it's like presidents the Dad. It's kind of like a mimicking. That dynamic versus like evil tyrant wrote. Yeah which I guess would be like evil to add. I'm not totally sure what the conclusions were. This is just a stream of consciousness of late but yeah having someone come in and like be like. I know you're scared I'm scared. My brothers say like all that stuff is is that has like a ton of value. Yeah Yeah doesn't feel like there's like a lot of people doing that right now so no yeah definitely not in the White House. Have you Dare I ask if you've looked at any of the data that's out that's running around out there. I haven't and actually this is. This is a data science SABIC. I went to discuss. I get sucked in sometimes. And then I consciously try to pull myself out because it is easy to look at the numbers on like look at grab some try to draw conclusions from it and then. I'm like wait. Why am I doing this this chaotic system? This is not like I can just listen to FAO algae. I don't need to look at these raw the raw data you know how about you. I have looked to the New York Times released releases. They're like data that they use for all their charts and graphs and everything we have a repo and I think it's nice that they update it once a day which is like that's enough and so I I I it's kind of like it. Feels a little bit like open up newspaper in the morning? You know I I take a look at what. The most recent daily number is for mostly for me. I like looking at Maryland and And then tomorrow I look I look at Baltimore City because they have it by county so solid Baltimore City and then that's pretty much it now. I have a little shiny. Yeah I feel like I know the technology we have free. Well actually I want to say about that but Yes I have I'll just fire up did Take a look at it in the morning. Police number looks like and then. Just move on from there. I don't really analyze it like it's well it and I'm not interested like there's a lot of people out there making projections and whatnot and that I'm not really interested that like I am interested in summarizing current but I have no modeling. Kind've aspirations. Yeah okay. Here's here's the path to take with this. Which is like okay. What what number are you looking at exactly? Oh that's a good. That's a good question. It changed actually recently. But does a which McCall Robb Heineman in Millburn. He posted this blog. Post by looking at like ten log changes Love kind of differences. And so I thought that this just look at the count the count of so they have the New York Times as I said has the count of confirmed cases and the count of debts. So I just look at the at the city level. Either the state or the county level. Yeah Okay and so. Why are you looking at that? You know say reason. I opened the newspaper the Board to see. What's the latest? Yeah but like what? Let decision would that influence does no decision to. It's like you know it's like choosing that random page of wikipedia. You know yeah just like it's like entertainment entertainment. Maybe exactly the word. But it's like informational. It's purely informational. Yeah well I mean so. This is the exercise I was like. Okay like we have. Kpi's in order to lay the reason we have summary. Statistics is that you can't look at all the data right row at once and then it's like we have KPI's because they're indicators of certain behaviors that we wanna see and so like what is KPI team. Yeah like metrics rate like in a business context you look conversion Ray But like the thing you want to see. Is someone coming to the website? Having a good time Feinstein they WANNA buy buy in being like this was great. I'll be back you know. It's like a healthy business like you're making money and the businesses growing and that's what that's what the street wants to hear you know but like so looking at those numbers. It's like if you zoomed out like what the actual question your training answer. I guess you just said well. That's that's not fair so I think I guess I'm curious to see like when the number of new cases kind of peeks out I guess yeah and why are you interested in that That's the I haven't thought beyond that I mean so. That's a good question I don't know here's my office. Okay bring it up or at least this is why I this is why I was like. I need to not look at the numbers because I think if you if you think about that. It's like I mean this is why I got into the ICU. Bed a little bit. Because it's like I think really what we all care about is like how likely is it that me or someone. I love dies unnecessarily right okay and like I mean yeah so like the number of cases kind of a proxy for that. 'cause like in our heads were loosely tying like number of cases with like the hospitals being overwhelmed and people dying like so kind of upshur. Chances of dying. Your loved ones dying unnecessarily two ways. 'cause it's like more likely that they'll get it and it's more likely that the hospital would be overwhelmed and they want to be able to get treated ready okay and so it's like okay. And why do you care about that? Well first of all. I don't think I do care about that. Yes so for you. It's purely kind of public health interest. It's kind of like population level. Like I guess it's kind of like A. When are we going to turn this quarter? That's the kind of question what would happen if we didn't turn the corner. Well I don't know I mean obviously I don't know that but the like what would your life change. How would your life change? If you didn't turn the corner. Well I don't know but I feel like they're by. Guess my terms of your expectations for what might happen in the near future. You could make a you could make prediction Accrued a very crude prediction. Of like you know what might happen if we didn't right. Yeah but what? Would you be afraid of if it didn't change? I don't think it'd be afraid of anything but I might expect something different even want enough like your life was fundamentally different or going to be perhaps but like. Why do you want to know that? Why do I WanNa know whether my life could be different in the next three months yeah? That's a good question I you know I think it just comes down to you. Know I think your the way you think about. Life in general is always relative to some sort of expectations right and so the same thing happened to different people. They can feel totally different about it right because they have different expectations for sure. Yes so I think this is a function of like being able to set those expectations the near future so that when when the reality does show up. We'll you know we'll feel a certain way. Okay that's perfect. 'cause it's like what if you can never set those expectations? I'm not sure I just said that. Means you know it's just like there. There is uncertainty. They like what your life will be like like. We are in an unstable situation and ultimately the only thing that will bring you peace acceptance. Well okay. Why can't both be true at the same time? You know what I mean. 'cause I think if you have the expectation than the disappointment will come if it doesn't happen but the whole of the expectation. Maybe I didn't use the right word. I guess like you want know what your life will look like tomorrow. We'll do support can only happen if things happen. A certain way. Kind of like relative to expectation right. Yeah but if you don't have expectations that won't happen. That's true. I I I I see that well. That won't happen isn't really it's something else will happen. Right yeah something. Something bad could happen. And you can't ultimately in your whole life. You can't control that and right now. You definitely can't control that Ray Lucia. Why do you read the news? I mean no. It's like yeah there's part of it that's entertainment there's part of it that is like. I do I do take. I'm someone WHO WANTS TO BE PREPARED. Kind of like what you're saying of like. I want to be able to know. It's I wanNA know who is going to run for president. I have my ideas about who would be good and who wanted or you know like I want to know that I mean ultimately always comes down to like I wanNA know that I am safe and stable and that my life will be good you know. Well Yeah I mean I think it Gerald. That's what we want right. I think so. I don't believe that's what's happening right now. Right a safe and stable road. Yeah exactly so like we ultimately all feel unsafe. You and it's like our family could die like we don't want that to happen but like I don't believe I can predict whether that will happen. Yeah but you can adjust your expectations of whether or not that will happen. That's too precise of event whether someone I know someone close to be is going to die or DOT is a little bit too. Let's let's to like governed by so many random factors right so I think that's if you drill down. That's what is part of the fear right now right. I think for some people. Yeah Yeah and yeah. Maybe yours is more abstracted away but it's still like trying to have some semblance of normalcy. You know well I mean there are some more concrete elements though because it's like for example. There's a lot of financial forecasting that we have to do right. And I need to know like you know what the Economy GonNa look like in the next six months is or is it is like. Is it going to recover in three months or is it going to recover in twelve months like that makes a huge difference on me personally? Yeah and so let if the worst case scenario happened well what do you mean what if what do I do. Yeah well maybe I'd rather I'd rather not say well I mean it's just like it's just saying Yeah Right. Well it's like okay like you could lose your job like you know. Grounds is like what I was thinking. You would say to that. My worst case scenario is quite different from like for example of like my wife's worst case scenario I think she's more vulnerable Like she's already working part time right now and So like should things get much worse right like her hospital could close for example and then that would require different plan right. Yeah like you can keep drilling. It's like an happens that like what like somewhere if you drill enough. It's like some sort of like fundamental blake. Yeah like almost like a spiritual angst you know what I mean blankets. I do you. Are you suggesting that like people shouldn't plan? No what I'm suggesting. Is that ultimately. The only thing that will bring you comfort is acceptance. You know what I mean. Lake like oh except like if I like. I'm afraid my parents will die. I think a lot of people are at. It's like what what would life look like that? You know that's scary and it's destabilizing and I'd have to go through sadness and like or like if you lose your I mean I don't WanNa say lose your job because I know it's like it threatens people's it's like threatening people's lives in like these huge ways and it's like what happens if like you are like what's the worst case scenario imagining like living on the street like no one's taken care of you all this like that's not my worst case scenario just to be clear division myself living. St just yet. But it's like like there are things you're afraid of and these KPI's are like the proxies for the you know what I mean and like at some point. That's not the solution like like to me. It's like all like ZANU MEDITATION STUFF. It's like it's like ultimately you have to live with the fear and the emptiness in the nothingness. You know. I I see what you're saying. I agree I agree with what you're saying but I don't think that contradicts the idea that it's valuable to plan for certain scenarios. Yeah like I mean. And that's kind of like a a thing about Zan. It's like it's like Oh so do you. Just sit around and do nothing. And it's like no no no you can do. Both you can like you can work toward a goal or like an outcome like moment might be calling. You like Cook Dinner. You know but at the same time you cannot attached to outcome and so that helps you do like the key. Thing here is differentiating. Like what do you need to make decisions? And what are you grasping that to like? Still like solve the spiritual angst and like the second one is causing suffering like the first one makes sense but the second one is like docking to solve your problem. Let's solve your problem is like accepting that bad outcomes might happen. And that's very hard to do. I Yeah I could see that. Yeah but I think my general philosophy with this stuff is like plans are worthless but planning is valuable exactly. Yeah exactly which is not my quote. It's a what does that Eisenhower. I think I like. What a so like. There are key like you know if you look down the horizon anyone's ones Tom Line. There's like they're often key. Things that you know will occur. You have to make payment here. You're going to have to spend money on whatever right or do some big thing here and you need to know okay like am. I going to be able to do that right when nine months six months shows up. And or if we do have to do it like where's that? How are we going to do it right right? Yeah these are very discreet events or or things that like you have to be which under normal circumstances you probably just let it rip and like you know 'cause everything's kind of in a steady state but we're not in a steady state now. Things are shifting every day and and so they have to and so. I think it's useful to have a plan that's written down even if you it'll be totally worthless the next day probably but it's you know it's it's it gives you that sense of if this happens then we'll have this and you know and then you know when the day shows up who knows what it will look like right now. I think that's I think you're describing like healthy boundaries. This is the root of the result of this like right now at the federal level right. There's no plan right. And they're making it up as they go and that's not valuable of it so but I agree that like I think you could take it too far. I guess maybe that's one way to say it. Yeah I think that's exactly what I'm trying to say there's like what do you need for the decisions like you can have values? You can have things you WANNA plan. You can have all that but you can be compulsively looking at numbers. Because you're afraid that your plans not gonNa work and really just have to accept that the plan might not work. Yeah and I think the timescale issue there. Because it's like if you're looking at things like every second or every minute right that's different from like looking at it every month. You totally exactly. Yeah twitter's the perfect example of that not happening look something causing a lot of spiritual angst or it's like you're getting like ridiculous amounts of raw in for. I mean this is my whole like the Information Age. Like as humans were overwhelmed. Like we've never as a species absorb this much information because it just wasn't possible. Yeah like you couldn't like have people running from village to village giving all every update about every person was thinking in every three minutes. I've decided that I looked at the data have looked at all did but I looked at this data set that the New York. Times has to be perfectly honest like I made like four plots and like I'm not getting any value out of this all the things you're describing have nothing to do like it's such a loose proxy so it's like yeah is the KPI leading indicator for things you might like like sort of like it's like maybe the best indicator of like how much chaos is happening in the world but like we also kind of know that you know. It's just like I agree. Like the degree of chaos. It's like how much do I operate? Business as usual versus. How much do I start to operate in like businesses? Not Usual and that obviously many people got thrust into that in the first week. You know everyone. In the service industry restaurants you know retailers right Versus you know League people intact like this is very business as usual like some people like work remotely intact and their life probably isn't even that different. You know yeah no I I for the most part. We've been somewhat insulated absolutely. Yeah I have no like allusions. They're not I mean like but it's like I guess what I'm trying to say is just I think the number I think analysis is people convince themselves that it is somehow a productive way. I think it is one of the wheels that people spend when they're experiencing fear you know sitting with the fear would get you more peace than spinning the wheel and so I see people spreading the wheel although honestly not. I almost heard more about people reacting to people's spinning that wheel than I actually saw plots and stuff. You know what I mean right now. There's definitely out there. I have a I've tried to mostly avoided but I feel like that happens on twitter all the time. I'll see like the backlash to the backlash happened. Backlash yeah like Kobe Bryant died. I saw people like defending. It's okay to have complicated feelings about him and I was like. Did anyone say it wasn't like I never saw that part? So that was like happened while you were sleeping. Well I think like I'm in such an echo chamber that like it just didn't yeah anyway. It's a sisal more people criticizing data scientists trying to be epidemiologists. Been I actually saw. I'd like also there's like a data scientist Jeff Hammer Bacher. Who's like doing that? Cova data project then like actually became pretty helpful. You know what I mean like. It's it's not like data. Scientists are holistically everywhere doing things that aren't helpful by and he was very early on to like one of the first now. Now it's like this the way more data and as we were better data actually I think but but he was one of the probably one of the first data set study. Put out there. Yeah I guess like maybe what what I would want to encourage is like if you find yourself like it's funny how it morphs from like data science. Kpi problems the lake a spiritual problem. You know what I mean. It's like you start with like okay. What's this indicator for them? Let's that for and then it turns into like what if your business fail is and what if you like your apartment and what if you have to you know they move home or whatever you know and that's like a luxury like like you can kind of like start with like the KPI's in most businesses you kinda like stop with like the point of we want this business to succeed Hannah but like you can go beyond that like what if this business fails and that's kind of what like CEO's on stuff have to like anyway so it's just. I feel like now more than ever is an OPPORTU- if you're like looking at the numbers every day it's an opportunity to like drill down into like what are the fears. And how can you accept the uncertainty and like sit with it you know anyway of me felt like I should probably look at the state because I might need to look at it like much later? You know Like professionally. Yeah it'll be useful to be familiar with it. Yeah you WANNA be part. You want to know the data generation process. I just wanted to just have deal to say I looked at one time but I'm not a hundred percent. Sure that's true so but we'll see now. There's part of me that wants to know that like I like onto this whole ICU. Bed like one of the projects started to model like probability that I see you. Blake capacity changes Or sorry I see that I see is get overwhelmed and then it's like I mentioned that earlier but I do care a lot about the probability that something gets turned away from an ICU. Or like doesn't get a ventilator who needs it just because that's like that hurts. The most for me is like hearing about people who died didn't have to And also it's like such a reminder of like the like with the AIDS epidemic and stuff like it's really hard to see advances in science and then to be like all those people died who didn't have like there is something I saw like again from this talking points memo site about like different protocols for ventilators essentially and like hell I mean. This person was like like presenting obviously without any sort of controlled trial but like kind of like the like anecdotal. Clinical evidence of like one procedure was much more successful than the other. And then it just really pains me to think about the people who died because of using the Everything was there for them but then there was a mistake. You know what I mean. Well Yeah I mean. Unfortunately especially in the past. I mean a lot of medicine was like that. I mean it kind of has to be that way like you can't like with the AIDS epidemic to. It's just like what do you do? It's a new disease. No one knows what to do. Like people are GonNa die and then you'll have curator you know and that's just can't like have cures for every disease before they exist only. Yeah that it's just painful but even board generally like this idea of clinical research right so like how does this procedure work better than this other procedure right like I? Those kinds of comparisons don't have a long history but as you know right it's it's it's surprisingly short. Would that amount of time that people have been really kind of like academic hospitals have really launched into clinical research you know interests as opposed to say like traditional laboratory research? You know and I'm thinking about the ethics of that where I'm like okay. This guy's like publishing like youtube videos and you know like I was thinking about that where I was like wait okay so someone changing the procedure for the ventilator and it's like how much pressure to put on whatever 'cause. I think if you do too much pressure like damages lungs eventually yeah versus too little and you get brain damaged and so and I know I didn't even read the story enough to understand the differences but it was just some sort of difference in like how much amp up in moments and how many kind of and so I'm like wait okay. So let's say some. Some sort of doctor sees this like can they just change how they do it. You know they just be like that's a good idea and it's just like wait. What are the ethics of that like? It's a hunch and you go with it. Well that's not research. That's that's what they call clinical practice right. Yeah so you could die like someone might die because it was the wrong call. Well right or wrong is compared to what the right right. So I I remember when I first got the Hopkins Alley almost twenty years ago. I talked to a surgeon who worked in the hospital and he says he was basically like do you know how do you know how to predict whether you're going to have a general surgery or like a laparoscopic surgery? I've like no. He's like it just depends on which surgeon you see like if that person is trained in Skopje Surgery. You're getting a laugher Scott Vic procedure. Yeah that's it I mean so which was better. Who knows right but it's just a very small window but I think I think doctors do quote Unquote Experiments. All the all the time to quote unquote. It's like what you might think of in the industry as in other industries as like process improvement right So of course you deal with human lives here but you know changing medications. You know trying to trying that happens all the time now. That's like I mean in that is and like I could recognize like there's this Lynn Detroit. A politician is like a a local. I don't even want to say politician. It was like a local politician who died. And there's something I just like projected stuff onto him or you know he kinda like looks like relatives of mine at like. It just hit me really hard and then like all. The story circulated there of like. Wow like maybe like. Because there's like he died. They died of complications from covert. And so I'm like Oh is that like. He got into baited and they messed up. Which is kind of not messed up? That's not that it's just like it's a dangerous procedure you know. It's like what happened. Was this preventable. It probably was Bob and like it's just I don't know that's yeah the ethics of that it kind of makes me appreciate clinical trials. More where it's like okay. We thought a lot about this. And we have an ethical framework to move forward that everyone kind of agrees with and we accept the outcome of that you know. Yeah but you can't have a clinical trial on everything right exactly. Yeah this is not possible. Right so I mean I know that like there's going to be all sorts of like trauma for healthcare workers after this 'cause it's like how many people like having to turn away people from icy US or like. It's that's traumatizing or like feeling like you dislike wrong and like mess up the innovation this little hard field to be in a certain amount of stuff that doctors have to deal with. Generally I think even without an emergency situation like this one so in part I think that's part of the training but of course this is an extreme situation. Yeah I did what not to change. Topics to drastically floodlight thing to say. Also well nine has to do with what you were saying earlier about budgeting oh I was just GonNa talk about ready Shoddy apps but all right let me just quickly plag- versus like you need a budget thing. Have you heard of this? I think I've heard of it. Let it go ahead anyway. It's late a budget in uncertain times. So and also what is it? What is it? Well it's SORTA it's like a it's a I mean it's a method of budgeting but there's like a book instead of that. There's also like a free APP and probably things you can pay for but like like their APPs associated with like implementing but you also could like just do it yourself in an excel sheet or or whatever but it's it's like A. It's a way of approaching budgeting where instead of he said. Sign that I really liked in the book where it's like most of the time when people talk about budging they're actually forecasting. Like what will I make? What will I spend that on? And he's like forecasting is very hard and I'm like yes it is. I agree with that and then whereas this is more like it's like simulated like you have envelopes and you put dollars into the envelopes for things you want to spend on. So you're like you're like budgeting with the money you have right now. And then when Moore comes in you like re-budget based on that but there's kind of like not the concept of forecasting inside. You just really try to hone in on like where are these dollar. I have a dollar that came in. I'm going to assign it a job of like pain for this thing or paying for that thing and you only pay from like those envelopes instead of trying to forecast out so I liked it. Okay do use it. Well he's defer bit fell off the wagon. Now that I it does it. It provides a sense of control that I feel like I lost after I got my first credit card or whatever you know it's like it's not like the money is out there in like these amorphous clouds and like money will move from here to here but it it goes back to like when. I felt really control my money when I was fifteen and it was like dollar bills in lake a metal box. I put like under my dresser like that where it lived and so it's Yeah it appeals to my I mean it's funny 'cause like that whole thing about like control. I mean this is fine. Obviously I've like worked a lot on 'cause I really wanNA sense of stability and control of my life and so accepting uncertainties hard. So this is. This appeals to that side of me so I felt like there to as the spectra of budgeting involves like silencing money until like very large number of categories And the other up and I kind of feel like I do that actually when I would I I. It's like approach is way more like a dollar as just a dollar. A dollar doesn't belong to anything. Yeah you're like the officer there. Yeah I duNNO I. I used to go the other way like I know. Like for example there are like fifteen different checking accounts because this checking account is for this purpose in this checking account is for this other purpose and that doesn't make me feel better. That's funny well like the way you described like watching the numbers for covert like you seem to have like a healthy sense of boundaries or like you. Don't you're not someone who like strives for control in an unhealthy? Way like idea. At least not that you could observe. Maybe there's other parts of my life. Oh yeah no I think this is like I think. I have observed enough to snow about not that I know you like. I don't know the INS and outs of like your personal life. But like this is like if you have that need for control you'll see it in all sorts of ways you know. It'll be everywhere. Yeah it's not like oh it only comes here and they're like that's just not how it works like a I mean. Yeah I don't know but then the things you were describing sound like your needle like maybe this is the situation that pushes you to the point. Where like you do need a little bit more of a semblance of control right now. Well I just feel like I kind of wear my family in life in general like they're like when I was fifteen. I didn't have to make decisions like that often. In general right like she's made for me right are didn't make bigs like fairly like well in advance. You know what I mean right now. I feel like I often have to do things board advance like quite a bit and I think. I don't pretend to like know how the future is going to unravel but I just want to have a couple of contingencies. That's all yeah so and you don't like assigned dollars to they can like walk because it's valuable to know if there is no if you try to come up with different contingencies and you can't do it right like that's valuable information. If this happens there is nothing that we can do to like respond to it. Like that's useful to know because I actually think the you need a budget thing. Let's valuable for is like making you face. Your values like even in the book describes like this is ultimately comes down to lay Catholic spiritual work quote unquote. Because it's like what do you want? Life what are your values like? How could you make your money decisions? Aligned with those values and then how can you like implement bat by like every time money comes in to kind of align with your values and then act accordingly. And if you like overspend like face the fact that you were acted in a way that wasn't aligned with your values but maybe that was okay. 'cause like situation changed you know so it's like just like forces you to look at it in a very ongoing basis rather than just like a set it in forget it. Okay okay go on about our news sites. I felt the need to plug it as an imperfect practitioner. Because I think I think I am at a place right now where I think a lot of us are just like I don't know what my values are just like like. I like what's going on. I don't know like I don't know what my life will look like in the in the future. It's just like oh I don't know what to do. Yeah anyway go on for Real GonNa talk about Shiny APPs. Yes please jail because of have you was the last time you wrote a shiny APP. I never have given so it was infinity ago. Yeah it wasn't Kennedy. I think I maybe once and I like. It's not has nothing to do with like it's a great tool and that capability is really helpful. I think I've just always been in contexts where it didn't I didn't have that level of Tooley autonomy. You know what I mean. Yeah no I understand. Yeah I my only point was that I wanted to say this because I feel like part of a power part of this whole like looking at the data was like okay. This is ready shiny APP because like every time I read a shiny up like up starting from square. One right yeah totally. I can never remember and this is like every year. I teach the same class at every year in week. Seven of the class. I talk about shiny every year. I'm like what's that That I was Gonna go to the website like examples together so I had that feeling every time I think ultimately what it comes down to is like when I write shiny APPs and I'm not saying particularly good at it like I'm not wild about it like just a part of it is because like I appreciate it for what it is like. It's very cool and it's amazing that you can do that with just a little bit of a reasonable amount of ARC But like I just don't think it's such a different paradigm of programming that because like last year I taught it. I'm like I'm not. I'm not gonNA teach this in my class anymore. It's too much like I spent six telling them how to do program to write are in this way. And then dump shiny actually. Here's a whole new paradigm of like programming. It's also it's like a very specific you have to be in a very specific position. I mean I was just reflecting. What do I do in southern shiny? And I'm a big fan of creating like a nicer markdown. File like a good read me and then just like rerunning a daily like. I'm totally fine. If I've learned one thing about my solve I'm totally fine. Doing ridiculous amounts of like mindless work. Much more so than most programmers and I would like to ask but that's another discussion but like I'm so comfortable just rewriting rerunning something on a daily basis if i WanNa see like the updated numbers versus building an APP it's like doing a automatically and like I feel like the APP. The does it automatically like you need consumers who need that and I'm not really writing things for consumers right but like that like you know like it seems like it seems like it's really perfect for someone. His starting up some sort of endeavor where they have consumers like that you know right because if it's like a super entrenched thing they'll probably have some like I mean it's their competitor for like Tableau and stuff and so you have to be in a position where like implementing like your company doesn't already have tableau right. Yeah it's like it's seems pretty niche and maybe I mean I mean people are studio would know better. Obviously they have the data but it's first of all. It's like a very different style of our programming which is only kind of makes sense if you've written graphical user interfaces in the past which I think most people have not right especially knows our users read and so there's that and then on top of that it's like it's UN- Blakely not. It's not clear to me like what. How many positions there are like you said where this is going to be an absolute requirement Well I think it's their play to to make it more common. You know what I mean like. Hey we have this like A. I think it's pretty common. Because they're workshops are like well attended. Yeah it's true. Yeah yeah so it's like these people exist out there and I I am not one of them. That's that's what it comes down to. Yeah Yeah but and I think strategically as a company. It's like they. That's like a you know a big market right like tableau like massive and so yeah yeah and then and so if you if you have a place starting up where the first data scientists are user. They'll probably implement Because they want be autonomous and like don't WanNa Learn Tableau and then as I company grows. That's like that's the standard and actually six summit ballet like we do have like shiny dashboards all over the place so Especially early days for like corporate reporting and. I'm not sure if that's still the case but like we did eventually get looker. Which is a little more It's just different. It's like it's it's different. It's much more of like kind of like a layer on top of database versus spin up. Anything you want you know. And I don't even think of I guess shiny is a little bit about like having kind of a real time. Update like a dashboard type of thing. But I feel like you can do that without shiny like well sense hence my like daily. Yeah the whole point of shiny is really more interactive. I think in the Mo- at the moment not like updating the data maybe twiddling some factors and things like that well and that's like the type of thing that like sea levels WanNa do or like analyst Lake People like PM's like they wanna be able to like let's look at members women and let's look at that and so it's the perfect APP for that like assuming you have this type of people staffed who wanna use that tool you know what I mean because there are lots of competitors like everyone knows that. That's like a huge thing that people live. I did like ours I mean I can. I haven't really used it but like our senior did acknowledge that. So then there's like the fact that there's other modes of like automated so I think our studio connect was one of the ways of trying to address latte where it's like. Okay you WANNA rerun a report every day. You don't WanNa Dashboard. We can do that too. Yeah but again I mostly just do it by hand until I get bored of the problem then no tool. Really help you then. Yeah exactly. It's like I don't action. There's very few things in life. I care about enough. I think that's the that's the message of this. Podcast is like don't check the numbers daily. I actually don't WanNa do that very often. And I would say the corporate version of it is just as much like wheels anxiety wheel spinning out. I mean Yeah. Yeah like people ma every day looking at the AB test. It's like yeah we know you WANNA launch this like you work for a long time like this isn't GonNa help your decision or maybe it will and then you look at it but yeah anyway. Is there anything left? We've covered the entire data science university at this point emotional arm nationalize.

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Ep. 8: Carmen Sima- Ayurvedic Practioner & Spiritual Channeler

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Ep. 8: Carmen Sima- Ayurvedic Practioner & Spiritual Channeler

"Hello and welcome to the podcast bringing you conversations about Race Gender Sexuality Reproductive Justice and so much more I am Dr Renee. Lima's gender pronounce. She her I am Dr Christina Rose Gender Pronouns. She her hers in this podcast. We are going to share space with women and other people of Color to discuss ways to dismantle all systems of oppression including white supremacist. Capitalistic Patriarchy we imagine ourselves sitting at the table hourly does house sharing a pot officials neue and chasing that with a shot of La all well thinking of revolutionary ideas. That's the sentiment hope to bring you and we invite you to join us on this journey. Being Hello and welcome to episode eight Laszlo Torres podcast in this episode we interview Carmen Seema. Who is an IR vehic practitioner as well as an intuitive guide and Chandler Christina and I have both experienced channeling sessions with Carmen and we were so struck by the power of these sessions and the healing and clarity Prada's and so you know as Christine? I have been talking about spirituality and discussing the ways in which we both are exploring other ways of connecting to spirit and God or Creator or are spiritual guides our ancestors. We thought it would really be powerful to highlight the work of Carmen. She is a Latina In Our community of Long Beach and she is doing this amazing where the conversation that we have with her is so powerful just as in the last episode Christine and I talk about our spiritual journeys Carmen shares her spiritual journey in this episode of similarly going from sort of evangelical Christianity into really being more curious about sort of science based belief systems leading her into higher Beta and then eventually connecting her with her power to connect with spirits and other Rome's in these. You know in in our last episode and in this episode part of the reason. Why Christine and I want to have these conversations of spirituality on our podcast is really to normalize other ways of knowing other ways of understanding the world other ways of connecting to higher power is connecting to other realms of existence connecting to to our ancestors especially because recognize that as Latina's we have a rich history of spiritual practices that were often erased or pushed underground By colonization and so in our own search for reconnecting to ancestoral belief systems. We want to reclaim these in our lives and we want to reclaim them for our children and for others who might be in search of a spiritual grounding outside of traditional or institutionalized religions our conversation with Carmen really highlights the importance of self care as a way to connect to our spiritual understanding and truly just the full capacity of humanity. It's just amazing. How all the sort of nuances of this theme? That we get into anywhere from sort of self care to our connections to a higher power or to other powers and then what what the importance of that is the healing power of being able to make these connections being able to gain clarity around that and then what it means for the world what it means for our larger sort of consciousness. It's just amazing. So it's just a beautiful conversation. I do want to say that there is a little bit of background noise that you'll have to excuse you know. We often have our children with us at one. We're recording these podcasts. And you know we wanna be able to create these powerful conversations with amazing people but the reality is that we are also mothers and we have. We Wanna be able to to do both of those things and so you know this is what happens and you know. I think for me. I run into some some things I have to reflect on in terms of my own perfectionism in trying to get the best sound in especially when we have such powerful guests wanting to make sure that their message comes through so clearly but it's also really really important for us as a as an active resistance was standing in our political principles to be able to also be mother's very mb and have our children with us if we need to end if we want to. So that's you know we're kind of in this place trying to sort of balance out lake wanting to do this work and due to the best of its ability our ability and do it with quality and give the reverence that it deserves but again also really wanting to to stand in that we wanna be able to mother our children at the same time in that super super important to us. So you'll have to excuse what I like to refer to as background music and we hope that you enjoy this powerful conversation with currency MMA. That left Christine. I in Awe. We felt like we went to church and we were healed by this amazing at priestess so enjoyed the episode. Welcome everyone welcome. Welcome on our podcast. Today we are interviewing currency Ma. I will let her introduce yourself and then we can get a little bit more into what we're talking about today Carmen. Welcome thank Yous on drives me. I'm so that multi while I am already practitioner. I were here Beach mainly what they do is help people themselves. In various longer-standing the constitution that energy each it was from India signs of life. Basically understand our constitution so that we could be in two seasons like our ancestors were into the elements of nature so that we could eat according to nature's artistry and through the process of being an irony practitioner by two into my own nature mother earth. My intuition started to develop and now also to guide channel so people call me and I also hope people connect with their ancestors angels inter dimensional beings. Welcome welcome feel like we should go around and say I'm Christina Fateh Kafka I'm pits Pity Vodka you. Were just talking about that. So Christine and I have been talking a lot about our own spiritual journeys and the fact that our spirituality is what drives US and drives. Really all of our were gray. It's kind of the foundation to what we do and you know for people that grew up in. I guess institutionalized religions like Christianity Catholicism and then being like adults now exploring not super vastly different but just explained like I think you had said like a much. More expansive understanding spirituality and it's led us into different kinds of spiritual practices and I'll say that for myself especially my father's been passed away for about four and a half years and it's really for lack of a better term. Forced me to kind of get much. More in touch with my spirituality than I think even ever before and so last year I kind of went through a spiritual transformation of sorts. You know it was it. Kinda hit me like a bullet train Really kind of allowing myself to agree that. I think I hadn't allowed myself to do for a long time. And and so I started to explore different kinds of spiritual practices outside of Catholicism and it led me to Tarot and it led me to actually like recognizing that that is actually a part of my own ancestry and so It eventually led me to Hugh Harman and I think it was really you know I. I have had connections to other spiritual beings. I think since I was a child. I've always had really vivid dreams and dreams of my deceased ancestors But I I was kind of kind of turn that off. I think sometimes it was. It seemed scary and and so when my dad passed away and I was having all of these dreams like really straight talking to him and then they kind of disappeared after a while so there was a lot of lake is he okay you. Where's he at what's going on so I think it was me about getting clarity? You know in like because I was still getting messages but I just didn't know what was what and I needed clarity. And that's what I I found you online and I was like she's Latina. She does this. You know because that's such a that's important to me to And then eventually you know Christina and I along with some colleagues are doing that group channeling awhile say the one that you and I did really changed a lot for me. It really was life changing for me. I will say and then eventually Christine and I would some colleagues have arrested a group channeling session and I think we've been sitting with a lot of those reflections as well. I just listened to the you know the recording that you think again and again in my second I I mean I wanted to hear so much. My grandparents voices so yeah so I think it's you know we we we've been. I think it was recognizing how important the work that you do is and just wanting to be. I think it was like. Oh that's invite my carmen. So we can kind of have these conversations you know in have a much more thing nuance conversation around like spirituality. So Oh I think the other thing is that I want to kind of highlight is how healing. This work is right. Healing is such an important part of this in for me again. Dealing with grief and Christina's also been dealing with grief recent grief and death and you know ultimately recognizing how much you know healing. We need so so let's get into it. We'll start within you know. Let's surfing the beginning. So wanting to ask you carmen. How did you come to this work? You know what is if you wanted a little bit about your own spiritual journey our paths in how you ended up here. Well well. My mom was very early on in my life. She was very religious. She was Catholic for a long time and then she signed herself and then became an was Christian very strict and we went to church much took twice very committed family. I think she was really trying to heal her house. Her mother had committed suicide. Retraumatize just brought a lot of darkness in a lot of sheep to her to her body your mind and her entire family through that she just became very tunnel vision with religion Nand. She created so much fear in our home about what not to do. What wasn't right. Are the other types of emergency. Were out there urge mental and that didn't resonate with me even at a very young age. I felt like this doesn't feel good. Tom Poti perhaps because I wasn't happy. I didn't Mike going to church feeling so good man going out. In hearing seemed Church people talk negatively about the all the same congregation? And it's at a very young age. I felt like energetically. It wasn't resonating with my heart so I would go and attend massive mass when we were Catholic. And just Ray Lucia Christian and I just remember thinking. This isn't right right. I asked a lot of questions cutting trouble often. One of the little groups adapt kept it hit out of can Kim because I asked a lot of questions that was always getting in trouble because I was nosey. I wanted to understand that I was. I was on my own carrier. Curious now knows he has curious the perfect word. I mom she can give you the right answer. She just just go. Just listen just learn. It wasn't resonating me. It was very frustrating so as an adult when I had mycenae said I'm not going to teach them about God in a more direct way. Why don't want to go to church so I did not baptize my son? And I just decided to teach him a different way of connecting. To God's we at that time we didn't have you to nineteen ninety seven in has all the Internet access that we do now so I just organically had this relationship with globe with gone with my source and I established habits at home we would pray we had altered but they weren't really altered locations where we sit and talk to you about zoos. More of a conversation than how I began this and my son the same would sit there and ask God questions and just sit quietly. We didn't hear answers but we just did that. It was a very interesting way of God and got criticized a lot by my friends because it's not into church. We talked to God all the time in the car. Talk to once. My car was stolen and we were both like okay by swing on here and I said mom we just have to let it go so I asserted to realize the actors were coming through me sometime soon. Son and other people who would ask God questions and people start ads remem- I started to become very observant and fast forward to the crash of the recession to the business prior to that I was Mark Marketing Advertising and didn't my job very much but two thousand nine the recession. I got laid off. I had an opportunity to go back to school all of my life. I've been very connected to health. Health conscious person and I decided to study. Holistic medicine and I steady diabetes wanted to go to the most oldest way of healing the body to get to the concentrated version of holistic health and I found through the process of being in an ironing school. It was like bootcamp. Remind mind body spirit because so strict yet eat a certain way after you take care of yourself who teaches us to take care of her physical body in her right who teaches us to ground to take care of ourselves during our ministration to eat differently through seasons. No one was teaching ethics to this learning. This information and it was beautiful was mind-boggling. How simple who simple but helper. No seeking to prevent illness. My mother also was sick during that time. Searching for answers in that is why it let me wire Beta. So I'm thinking I'm just going to go to school to learn practice so that I could become that person to other people but little did I know that in the process of learning Veda connected me to a more grounded physical body which then opened up my passion to God. It was crazy like I didn't expect that at all. I was going to ask for logical practical reasons right but as a ground in my body I started to become more receptive to God zo when I would hear people my intuition I would just be a became are observed and my audience which we all have intuition. Everybody has intuition. We all have capacity to channel and I know the question was more like cottage. You get into like your beliefs. My current beliefs assize rooted in having grounded my body taking care of my body because our body is hosting our soul in our soldiers by our creator so he took me out of all the paradigms that they had of Catholicism in feeling guilty in being confused because religion was just not resonating with my spirit when I started to really eat. A Are Super strict futures more appropriate to Constitution With what agreed with me I literally started to open landmine tuition and it was beautiful managed started to see decisions and I was constantly running away from it to me. I started to hear a hum. People tell me their thoughts. Even though the they weren't aware of I had very interesting dreams and I ran away from it. I ran away from it did not want to be a woo. I did not want to be considered. I was very connected to being a resource for people to come in. Learn how to eat. I wanted to just be like this whole practitioner person to support people in their body to feel better in their bodies to be healthy who is also very important to me but little today know that it was going to open my high to a higher consciousness. Who and I think the message that I I would like to share. We all have beautiful spiritual gifts that by taking care. It's so basic by taking care of our bodies we lax we call on our mind and then we're more tuned into our own gift and that's how we read. That's how we express our the devine. That's how we connect that's how we become religious or spiritual Religious spiritual eighteen care of ourselves and be sick. Wow it's obese again. I tell people all the time they always ask me. How did you become channel? Could you talk to goes? How can you see my mom standing next week? rate promise. It's really I once read. I once read a book on Channel. Nine I refuse to read anything about family or how to increase my tuition. There's so much information out there that have just respected that that God lifts the divine the intelligence in our body. Naral all of our cells. I have turned my bogus to myself. Instead of going out into a church and praying to entity outside of myself. I paid attention to what the ancients were seen. And it's not just the Indians the Mayans the aspects our ancestors needed the CDC the divine dwells within us. Even Jesus Christ said look within your heart the reason his heart was secrecy is he acknowledged that he was from the source that his worst that he is creator was in his heart he became self actualized as did the. Buddha denied masters right. So that's what right now in the collective consciousness were trying to get to that speeds. But we're making it more difficult than it has to be. You Really Begins. I fight addressing inst- last part really is like challenge. Say or hear that here that here no I feel like we just went to church right now. Like you know so much is coming up right like thinking about when you say going to church didn't necessarily resonate with you and You know it's interesting as I grew up in Catholicism. I went to Catholic school my whole. Aa You know from first grade toll screen and actually it did resonate with me at the time like I. It made total sense to me. I think it was when I was getting older. And I didn't have that structure anymore like of Catholic school and especially after. I moved out of my mom's house. I didn't know how to do spirituality on my own and I was like early on her right like became more of a burden. Yeah it's war and I didn't want that relationship with it so You know but also like the keys that I've I've had these moments of hearing you know things and I also was like turn it off but anyway like hearing me something. I'm like if they would've said stuff like this at Church on opposite really they sell shared self arrogation like Gum self-flagellation like really like Shane nine. Your body Letting like trying to give it away in. So many ways to Jesse spirituality so from that like binary place you know and yeah I think I also really you know was in. Its you know I was young and then really recognizes something that I have no idea how to take care of myself and if I can't take care of myself my body my spirit then you know. I've lost the basics. I don't have the basics and I think so. Much of that is a teaching of of Christianity as low as like self sacrifice especially as women. Ray like that you're supposed to especially when it becomes like you should sacrifice everything. Hugh are for your children for the better of others. And then you lose yourself fashioned into women the Ashley you know you you lose yourself by. I do a lesson about this with my students in a way. We kind of deconstruct like the image of the Virgin. Mary and how does she should became the symbol on one hand sexuality Virgin Rain but then also being the suffering mother right like repent? And that's just that's that's what mother martyr martyr is and it just is like you. Don't it's not a conversation it's like that's just that's just the mark of motherhood And how do we? How do we lake? Where are the examples where that's not the case you know and I think so much so often like being in search of that and then like for me? It's been take it's taken going to therapy. And every time I would say these things might therapists. Say you just need to take care of yourself? No but there's this going on in their SYS- she'd say you need to take. Yes are you need to love yourself so and so did this? It doesn't matter. Do you need to love yourself? Cam All heightened or not. Well I line right and it really to what's in charge of. Who's in charge of our long? Give up our power to church. We are so we're so very dismantling to our to our consciousness because were relying on something outside of ourselves to tell us that we're good. And it's fatty here in two male and white supremacy right so it's just you're hearing again and again like this you're not what you should be made connections. Yes to be submissive. I think for a lot of us that does not especially in our that doesn't resonate. We're very rebellious as women. Latinas were already have asli very strong. Fire us that's probably why probably resonate with church after awhile stirred fuel added layment or something inside of you really start to feel even like you said the volume enough is usually at my third this. House. Oh I am GonNa you can tell we've done a lot of there but I think like you said the idea of asking questions. I was fortunate enough in my high school that I had religion teachers. I think because they're younger. Maybe came from a different training. But they were like. Oh Yeah it's important to ask. I felt like I was able to ask questions but the questions I asked. Obviously the more complex things in but normally there isn't a lot of space for that really goes much. I didn't feel like they could ask questions so I got to college for sure. Yeah and that's nuts. And even now when I teach I tell people you know this is a class and I'm the professor. I don't have all the answers and I'm actually here to give you any answers. I'm here to teach you how to ask questions to live the question. Everything you know of everything alley colleges for if if not before he al experience of the opposite acting to the other extreme being an atheist. Sosnik is his of course might. A focus was biology and of course. He needs to prove thing with chemistry teachers and biology teacher has added there. Many of them are closed to religion. Is there scientists? So I went from one extreme of growing up with all of this dogma than and then going into the religious. I'm sorry this is very very logical. Very Linear yes. And so when I got out of college I was just confused. Like what am I? What am I back to my own conversations with God and just talk to God whenever I feel like talking to God. I don't have to go somewhere. I don't care which is often or happens in my car because I feel privacy there and and that's really for me. What has become a ritual of just not having to go anywhere or to singer card time out to to be spiritual a spiritual practice. I just become the practice the practice be night life. So revolutionary really right to step away from assistant sites either or good or bad this year this binary right like the head of the heart or it's like you know the ors versus and then kind of into a world is is and more you know and you you know. I just amazing and it's often like like you said you went from documents to science and as if those are mutually exclusive right as if those are two like antagonistic opposite opposites and it's like how can those live in the same place. I see that so often you know when I do kind of tap into my spiritual ideas and you know again as a professor. They're like where's the evidence. And where's the article that has then like I don't know and that's how can we just reproduce? It's how can we just live in a space where we just kind of believe it you know and then with also without having to be prescriptive which I think is what institutionalized religion does this is the way to God yes and we don't do it this way that can happen really from both of those places? Don't trust your intuition. I don't trust you're saying you have to trust only see about already was in the message of sexism and racism. Don't trust yourself. You know he does all comes together so really important. Work that you're doing. I WANNA I would. I want to ask because I think it's important for people to kind of get a clear picture lake. We experienced a channeling session with e. So we kind of know but even that when people have asked us like what is it. We're like I don't know so maybe I was just GonNa ask you like. Could you walk like what is what is it like? What does that mean what is and I know like you should with US last time? A little bit of like your preparation. Maybe that could tell us. Like what maybe. What exactly is a channeling session? What does that look like for you? You know we know what it looks like our end so the Channel Avenue insured. That's alright were again soon. Having relationship with his experience myself still I'm very humbled and honored and also trying to hold space for this to continue to happen every time I saw on us for channeling or I have invited you a group challenging. I always wonder it's going to happen today because I know it's not like turn it on or off my experiences that I have to really be really relaxed like if I could reduce resistance by like goal resistance which is like fear tension in the body that happened that he remind quite frankly. I events and I said okay. Universe Chubb Unity about this book and it was the power of now by cartel the whole book as You said until just tell me what is to some of Taylor's along time ago powerful though I'm sure it is. I have not read that I opened the book and I said Oh God just to know what. What's the one thing you want to take? Somebody like live this ideal Open the book for people. Because I think it's important shared. They don't have to read the whole book. You can actually do this. Said and I opened the book to Parkway Exit Resistance and great that sounded revolutionary to seven of. 'em All worked with that for a few years and I still haven't read the POSILAC K. I need I need to be grounded. In what just covered with his challenger Pits Eilly Houston's and I felt like something happened Resistance Muniz releasing resistance right but what I also understand just by being an IRA practitioners that. It's not easy to just let go of tension to just let go but by once again going back to taking care of the body your Harrison pathetic existence kicks in so you go into a place of calmness calm awareness and then there's less resistance so just that's like base take care of your body eat certain ways glide water take care of yours rest so once we have less stress which is already something that we know. We have to work on then capacity. Guide ourselves to okay. And what else do I have resistance or have this tension in my heart. Because I haven't forgiven this person all I see. I have to work forgiving this person so I started to work on forgiveness forgiveness forgiveness forgiveness when I started to forgive people in my past depress me. Wow so much started to open offering me more. Resistant starts body at the time. I didn't have the language for it but now that only to Vena teens. I understand that I was allowing more of the coup Illini force energy to travel through my body the chead the intelligence of a nature that travels through all of our bodies travels to insult if you think about it that intelligence comes from source. So we relax him. He's tensions Our source energy within us so then once again ten to our ten to the church. Her body So when that started to happen telling wish in just skyrocketed and the process now ain't going to do a gentleman is that I enjoyed meditation so that you can relax relax even further the more resistance Guide you into releasing stress intention. The more than that I release. Because we're all connected. Yeah through the heart. Rate or by rations orrick field so the more. The Room is relaxed. Then it's easier for me to sink in and then I like to think of it as the person feels of intelligence so I allow myself to stretch turning so organic from you that I don't even have a process. I just relax. I swear. Release the resistance. I kind of pushed stretch myself to connect to the percent with their permission and once we think and kind of like the movie. Avatar when they when the guy s to the bird with his hair with his ponytail how he seeks in emerged as one of their one on one force. That's what I do. I just merged to the person energetically sink to their vibration. And then the space around us the either the intelligence of the ether had just downloads information and allows me to receive messages as visions. They're like browsers become available for me and I don't see them this early with my eyeballs. But I've seen with my with my mind's eye a hard I and my heart and like my whole body just knows this about this person. Either Guardian Angel tells me something. There downloads a vision or their ancestor downloads vision. Sometimes the information downloaded all at once. And that's why I talk fast when I heard because I'm trying to get it all out so that I don't forget because all just sinks into me like Oh one hundred percent downloaded in its lobby information so I have to just booboo sit out as much as I can on to share that that piece of knowledge with the person but it's interesting it's interesting and when the person is receptive so when the person that is receiving the challenge is open to hearing their hearts relaxed unsafe because they know that it's resonating with their heart would would lean shared has to resonate so strongly that it starts to relax. Relax relax and they start to release resistance and that's where I feel. It's it's my purposes to support other regional learning how to release resistance so typically. The things that are downloaded are things that are going to help them in clearing the fears in our body or the hour or the false perceptions about themselves or someone else so what it does that information that gets downloaded you because this is lying attention working with this whatever you this. Energy is connections bridging of dementia. What it is the attention his so that the person can also activate during their spiritual gifts. The intention is for you to feel the life energy. Traveling Barron your body when you really stack resistance that fear you search your love. You Sir to become empowered because you start to feel some sort of way like Oh yes good doesn't I don't want people like exciting because something is moving through their money the flow of energy your saint into that field and wally have you in that Channel at St. Your guys are having their way with. You are putting in reformation of your body. They're they're creating like the mitral contra to your spiritual fibers are really becoming more and more of your light body. It's amazing I. I see so much more than what sharing the challenges that it so much. That happened so fast. It's kind of impossible for me to be able to share everything that is happening. And while I'm channeling save for one person the observers are already reduce your resistance Been my vision. Research elegant healthy. So by the time we're done the entire room is busy. It's easy for me. It's amazing to witness how you search that goes layers and there's triggers that happened but in those triggers that come up are usually supported by the guides deserted. I want you to become trigger to with some of the truth. That comes up because reversals to be seen we're supposed as the chen-lien is coming through what what triggers yours. What needs to be cleared so that you can let go of a false perception. How ABOUT YOURSELF? Or a situation that he's keeping chain to the chaperone past about therapy straight. It is fillet was. I know I was so sharing. Because you've we can record these channeling sessions and so When I went back to listen to the one on one then you and I had and at that point my dad still Scott is just as So it was coming up on that like four year mark and I had cried my fair share but in that session I was leg bawling and it was coming from the most visceral Private Ryan all primal and I was like you know because right after he died. I I was pregnant. I was in the middle of writing my dissertation so I felt like I didn't have time and space to yourself and so six years it took finding like where can I do this innocent way. Where can I lake so for me? It felt like it was the release. It was getting permission to just like go a now since then when I when I do let go when I have when I do go. It's much more It's light it's lighter and it's easier anyway. It's like it almost like. I felt like a wine cork And that was the release. And now there's it's like now. I can let it go easier you know whereas before I was hold tightly into that Lake Wayne Court like no Because I know if I let it go. It's going to be a mess you know and so it was. It was what I needed to. Kinda just you know so. It was healing in that way for me can allow myself to just let it go. It's very healing for me to to see people release. It reminds me of how much more lease tomorrow bill that happens because after the reading you all feel to me like loans that I feel were done in the beginning. It feels like you're having having the blankets of anxiety. And what are they gonNa tell me? There's all this tension resistance and after the challenge there just to slightness lightness. It's like you go to church because you are seeing the guidance from your own ancestors from our guardian angels. Yeah from Inter dimensional versions of yourself from other realities which has opened things up for me to understand that the what the talking about and then I had to do research on Parole Universities. And it's been very educating. This directs communion has been very educating for me. It's really me become available to higher consciousness. Things that by renting in the back in the days this is making me. Remember how I eh soon as you started talking to. I think finale. At the time I jus- correct Actually had just had the ideals worth ousting at her house and it was talking on the grandparents and then it came to me. I think I cried the whole time and it reminded me of when I was pregnant. Which is cry like instantly. How actually all of it felt so great. I think it reminds me of our children who just cry in out and then they go they move on. Move on and how we've been told you know same story from afford right just to hold everything in you know and help. Birth was also correct for thanks early. No let go rhino experienced overseas. You know beautifying associated with birth. Because I'm getting a child channels I do feel like a bird. Lake Midwife mercy. The shadows releasing the shadow. So that we're talking about all these different midwifery things death birth Bam this Energy Resistance Midwifery China like yeah. I mean it just points out that like you said there's so much healing work to happen on on so many different levels. You know whether it's how we agree whether it's you know death am whether it's you know like resistance like that's such a that's such a really interesting way to see it right the way that we whether it's because of society or because we're taught that way right to resist our inner intuition and our instincts and how you say that really your Purpose right is to get us to to stop resisting to let go. And he even talking to me about you know PELVIC FLOOR. Oh is about resistance and relaxing. Yeah post birth. You know I finally all coming together for me. Yeah I just live my life in such a resisting way. We'll be too. We've been taught. Yeah I wanted to ask you because I think another part of this work is and we often talk about the stigma of everything right like we talk about menstruation. Just talking about your period there stigma right and talking about you know birth. Even Dan can be stigma and so obviously in in this kind of work. There's a lot of stigma you know. There's a lot of skepticism. So how do you manage to release a lot of resistance because coming out as an intuitive even putting on my website even promoting out on the handles and all? It's not something that I have been comfortable with because of the judgment stigma of I wanted to eat this resourceful healing Arabic person and now I have this other tour my whole box. That is scary for people and it's misunderstood and it was scary for me on to to release it and to be confident in sharing it because there's a lot of dark there's there are dark people that happiness capacity to bridge dimensions. I'm not that long online. That the that team. I really truly asked that this is going to continue to be part of my life. I see in the high ration- with the supportive. Spirtual hill helpers. Because as we know there's all there's all kinds of spiritual energies out there and I only hope for myself to positively and Higher vibrational beans. So I deal with it is by. You mean when people ask me. I asked General. I haven't had too much criticism to be quite frank but one of the things that I've kept that have no that I have to work on is being confident in more comfortable sharing it talking about it so this is my way attention that this year. I would be more comfortable so in January. Keita's to come out a lot more to me so thank you when you invited. Gashi she see. Have you answered the call to mind? Tension while you are intention is coming to fruition. Like here for all of us really. We were having a conversation last night to about and so the idea of coming out right and kind of really putting it out there to the public. This is something we believe in everything we do. This is that we have and you know but but again for US. Getting back to you know like you know. We're on our own healing journey. But then as a mother also wanting to be able to give our children tools so that they you know not that they would have A. They'll have their own set of struggles but then they're have a larger toolbox to pull from when they those struggles come at whereas we were like searching. You know for whatever we could and sometimes what we had wasn't working you know and so for me. It's like wanting to give them like a much more expensive. Like idea of spirituality you know and I would be like part of his toolbox to write two books. Yeah the way that I do is educate myself about The Bible does sears mercier's and they were not criticizing. Were part of the people that saw the future. So that has been helpful for me in one way even though I don't always July on Bible Biblical teachings however that was felony but all I let your coming back to the five times. It's Kinda cool I'd like was he only mortgage and very very very anti Bible. Study my house little Christ on walls instead of having post. Use of Corey Haim or only reason. Yeah so I had Jesus Angels you know the Little Hand. Walking over the bridge at the little might make has had. And that's the beautiful thing about religion than I do that I didn't steal it. My son is the tradition of having belief. That's yeah that's what the I wanted my son to have. I wanted to believe in Angels Jazz Eve. In Jesus Story and believed to prayer that connection was very inward so I took things that worked for me when I was that I do away at the mighty percent in really is sometimes. I find myself. You know it's hard to escape twelve years of Catholic school where you took religion as a class and so I am so familiar with so much of the teachings in the doctrine and so you know I rely on it and I've done the same thing but I think I always say I come back to the Bible tune like Jesus was you know he he was he was an active rebel. Voca for the you know. He hung out with social. Justice is out there talking to people. Nobody wanted to talk to. He was going against the powers. You know in you is outspoken. Young is my role model but also the women. Yes that helped him. And so there's there's alive. She had such reverence for his own mother absent the way she didn't relationship with with with things and he was one of those say that. I agree is one of my favorites has a lot of information on on the teachings of Jesus and Jesus life and he apparently had siblings very odd role model for instantly to very hard working. You really helped his mom and that to me that speaks to me. Because I'm the eldest of six men. I take my sister role very seriously and and our culture. We really do take care of each other where your heart compassionate and not to say that other cultures are. I'm just seeing like I just have to say that of our cultures really do honor our grandparents we on our mothers collars and we. We make an attempt to be united despite our differences in matters to us that they stay with us until their last days. Now that we honor them to meet. That's been in your heart. Yeah being available to the loved on Commission. So what are the last things I wanted to get into is I think we've talked a lot about this but I think I really WanNa hear this alert. I wanted to come out a little bit more because you're an aggravated practitioners. While and the connection between right mind body spirit and how do you see a lot of this work right this sort of spiritual healing play into right to you because you say if you ground yourself physically eating right do all these things puts you in tune with your intuition but what is the reverse relationship break where the more that the more that you tap into your intuition the more your physical body heals absolutely? Yeah well yes because you are able to listen. Tearing her voice and your body will tell you. I don't like this food. I don't need this rather have. This doesn't have to listen to but I recognize that when I do listen to my body that I feel better and when a fuel better my call my my communist is marvelous to me because my brain fills veteran sleeping. Better I'm rejuvenated. Better at night. A couple feeling more energized relying less on comfort habits and I'm are Eagle to reflect and so by being by being more grounded as rooted in in my body administration hormones conscientious of what works for me dessert for me because it is not once. Isis all is very custom like what is renaming to eat so that she can feel better when I need to feel better. We all have different digestion type digestion types and now modern science is recognizing that your gut is so important the brokers right Ancient civilizations have been telling us this all along so by eating with the teacher and eating a certain way that aligns us with a better health. We then have a greater capacity to think ninety percent. Approximately ninety percent of our brain cells are created in our gut. So then yeah I know. And they travel Jane to our brain through the biggest versus nervous system guests. Who TAKES THEM? They're the good bacteria the gut up metro by aches. Did Research is starting to agree with the ancient wisdom. Yeah but the better. You feeling embody the divine works. Your mind is your brain. Is Your Command Center the better your command center works. Guess what all things that you have in. House Journal of this offering spiritual gifts that come from the lineage ancestors all spiritual intuition if they were tuned in vanity. Like you say your grandmother retire Maybe you want somebody had a Xiaowen lineage. All of their inherent gives a cultivated that are in your DNA will rest with more readily because your ground. This kind of takes us into the shockers. The more rooted we are. We have larger foundation to rise into our spiritual nature. But if we're not grounded we're not rooted in physical body. The command sister gets thrown off Allen so none of our inherent gifts that were already downloaded in us. He has our ancestors Ns we already have the APPS. Inner visit your creative. You're an artist. You're a singer all this will be more readily available to you if you move which relaxes you which empowers you. Which can sue greater capacity to open your heart yards desires? It's so you know it's so interesting I mean we've all been on these healing journeys in me. I feel like my body and everything else. There's still dislike disconnect and It's it's it's a cycle right like the better you to your body barrier. Mind's going to be the better. Your mind is better. You're GonNa Treat Your Body Ray. It's this lake. You GotTa get into this positive cycle versus vicious so violent Hannukah lists Dick. Just start first by making it a priority of taking care of her body so it starts remind by the in our mind. We set an intention. We decide I wanNA feel better. I want to take care. Muslim starts in your mind. Then you address. The body's needs spirit naturally will lawson. Can you will tap into your own twitted nature. That can't have any feeling. Well that can't happen if we are helpless thought to do it. It is an intention. We have to direct our mind. All points tangible focus. What are we focusing on? What are we bringing into our awareness? What are we? What are our thoughts like? What am I telling myself about Hawaii? Tell me so nice things about myself. I told me things it starts in her mind and then through that to be better to love ourselves right. Nurture our body spirite will without doubt organically. You will feel more of your own souls. Hydration you'll be lighter and that's what everyone's talking about now this collective consciousness raiser migration right inquisitive but how can we think positive thoughts? They were not feeling well. Body my deal with a lot of people that are out well and they want to be positive. And they're listening to those youtube going into those seminars mayfield charged in the moment and they're positive but no one's telling them. How did you this water? How are you sleeping RIA? Oh by the way. Are you still angry at your mother or your resist? Trai L. Colorado Guess. What else causes resistance? Toxins chemicals preservatives. All the stuff that they're eating us. Why do you think they're video muscle sinks because the horn? We'll be it's kind of a big conversation. I know it's a great one. I feel like it all your light leg. I should not enter. I feel like these messages to say yes I mean you just said. Why do you think they're feeding us all the time? So that we are not connected to our spiritual cells that we just keep so marital status quo. We just we just had. I feel like I have a new way to explain. Lake institutional oppression right because it's it is part of this right. They WANNA keep us a dulled down control so that we can just don't question. They don't investigate. Justin move along the way. You're supposed to you so that we can continue to control control command. You Rain Wash. And that's not working for us because we're much conscious of our soul mentioned for mansion. Yeah we'RE NEW EIGHTY NEXT. Week is empowering various. Were very appropriate types. We having this conversation even in the scratch community. There's so much discord who there's so much. Just focus on your upper shoppers. Just focus on your margins longest climb and that's working because I work with people that are spiritual they are practicing yogis are meditate. But they're ungrounded. They're still still fearful. They're anxious driven. Yep and they're not rooted in truth and the only way we're going to get rooted in truth is by dealing with what is harming her physical body. I The more you empower your physical frame more capacity you have to deal with the TRAUMAS that have oppressed your ancestors that are still oppressing you because you're loaded was ill bobby was healed. This person molested you. That person denies all those things that oppress US especially women Coming from I'm like no. This is this is exactly like no. No no no. This is exactly where we we this transformation for me now especially after giving birth feeling like just a lot of things that. I didn't know our wounds were coming up his wounds. Ancestral personal and I have motherhood is served at home and being with child and it. Just there's a lot that can overcome you and I think this is giving me just hoven naming things that I would love to be named and confirmation everything. Thanks I feel like no. This is totally speaking our language. Right when we're talking about you know how we Part of this too is about having access to these raised. You know because of the ancestral trauma were were taken away from us in so many ways in our maybe in a time where we can reclaim yet right. We talk a lot about Reclamation Mike. How can we reclaim those? As a means to healer ancestral trauma heal ourselves and create a better future. And I mean not yet we are purposely being diseased With toxins member psychic. Toxins five things that we are constantly on media. Yes even the media is very distracting. Imagine I think I liked using that word love. Imagine in all that are constantly on social media had that much practice with physical body or Nature Court hill them. Imagine doing that as many as we check. Imagine if we had that much obsolete if we meditated that much time or a hammer so today infant I I feel like the universe is a very team word for what the Creator is because earn a lot of universities and recreated created the universe so but anyway I like the higher power if we tapped into reading about the power as much as we were distracted by our world we would be so much more instant much replaces a society. I think that's where I'm at right now. Like how can I share with people that we can't? We can't take more of our power back. We're already doing it. Slowly even with all the distractions. We're all trying to be more spiritual than we still have to into so much. That doesn't help me now. Like you know things that people do which we all. It's not a judgement is just a cake. You don't have to choose to let go those habits but just know that you're gonNA be slower. You know what I mean like. Just be conscious of do just be conscious like we have to be aware that these things that are harming our energy are going to slow down our spiritual progress time rain all that we need to be dull. Yes the government which is happening in the world. We need to be conscious of. What's going on? Well see all this disease. This an easy to deceive shipment of things you're saying in different aspects of our lives and then thinking about all of the quote unquote healing that are readily available and out. There are if if they're if they're if they're healthy they are healing through just like the skin just top of it right. Nothing in the depth of real. He'll you know Whitewashed or Washington in a different rhetoric or or not even just not not the depth of real healing. They think that you're talking about too. I'm it so there's both a disease in the selling of things For a really high price. That actually aren't as healing as people would like the job. I I think that for me. It's always about access right. Lake is do people have access to this. Do they talked about the stigma? So there's stigma. The people are doing what so much that keeps them from these. These ways these healing ways you know by no fault of their own and it's like you said it's it's we're in a time where you know on one hand we have maybe more access than we. We've had in the past but also a responsibility to make it more accessible to everybody. You know and make it more accessible particularly to those who suffer the most you know under these the powers that WANNA keep us Dole. You know wanting this podcast to be that you know to that to make the conversation right so anything else you wanNA share with us. I'll filling climbed to speak to before we wrap it up. I'm just very grateful to Adams opportunity and to be in the salad with you. Have these competitions? All time with healers friends but never recorded. It'll be interesting picketed other. I'm probably for doing this because it takes courage to put something together to make time both very busy. Moms Whiteson teachers doctors and really proud of you for standing up and having authority to make this happen. It's important this work that you're doing it's very important. All the work that we do is important. Because we're doing it with a good heart rate to help and it's healing to ourselves allow Tricia Long. Thank you so much. Thank you before we go want you to tell people where they can find. You can touch if you if you want straddling. Well I post on social media on Wednesdays usually Because I have this relationship were I appreciate the connections but I. I don't want it to remind no. That's kind of my whole thing that I have that episode in season Instagram. My website is called mother higher Beta so mother. Earth A. Y. U. R. v. As in Victor E. DA. I drove a facebook page. Also other are they connected me or text me. Five six to one fashion. I liked conversations in in-person office yet and will link the website and stuff in the show notes for the first time cast so. This has been amazing. Thank you for being. Here's this awesome.

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BTM146: Profit 1st, the 20-Hour Work Week & a 4-Hour Body with Rocky Lalvani

Before the Millions

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BTM146: Profit 1st, the 20-Hour Work Week & a 4-Hour Body with Rocky Lalvani

"This is the Ray Lucia and you're listening to the before the millions podcast episode. One forty six. Are you ready to be the master architect architect of your life. Are you ready to design your business and invest in needs that create the lifestyle. You've always printed. Are you ready to learn from entrepreneurs and millionaires Caneiro's who have achieved a certain level of success. Hey this is Derek Location Independent Entrepreneur. And you're listening to the before the millions podcasts. I am Gina Lofton I am an investor. You're in you're listening to the before the millions podcast. Hey there my name is. Heather Haven would marketing coach and global entrepreneur. And you are listening to before the podcast. Hey this is mark with the host of the seven minute momentum podcast global entrepreneur and all round Geek and you listen to befall the millions podcasts. I am lobster the cash low Ninja. And you're listening to before the millions baht cost. You're listening to the before the millions podcast whether you're looking to invest more cash flow all built an online business that allows you to be location independent. You've come to the right place Mr Hollywood and so presents the before the millions podcast now your host the ray what did you. Btm tribe welcome back to a new installment of the before the man's podcasts installment. One four six on this installment we have on Mr Rocky Levonne and rocky and I cover a wide range of topics for today's episode. Not only do we get into rockies journey but we talk about some of the most important things in my life life in his life and maybe even in your life when it comes down to the amount of money though we earn at work or in our business when it comes down to the lifestyle that were able to create with the amount of hours that we work at work or in our business and also when it comes down to physical fitness when it comes on taking care of your body in making sure that you are healthy enough for the long haul so innocence to blow this episode down to three words. It's about wealth about freedom and it's about help so in terms of well we'll be discussing the profit first system system in your business exactly. How should get counting for profit? In Your Business. To make sure that you continue to have a thriving business or you're start to cultivate a thriving business. If you're businesses not yet thriving the first few years more. Entrepreneurial Journey did not follow the profit first system and I suffered tort who get into that on today's episode and we'll talk about exactly what the system can look like for your real estate business after the wealth category. We'll talk about the lifestyle and freedom category. Right what you're doing with your time. How can instead of working forty fifty sixty seventy hours a week on work and in your business how you can begin to work twenty hours a week like rocky domina season right now? We're have a ton of projects going on and these projects are ultimately optional. These projects were things that I would love to go in my business. These projects were things that I believe would enrich myself in within rich my community but by no means. Do I have to do with these projects now. If I think about the things that have to be in my business to maintain my current position on a weekly basis I would calculate that it's anywhere between four and eight hours a week but given that I am pursuing greater feats and I'm diversifying income sources and I have a large gift component of my business not to mention interviews shows. I go on on hand. The coaching I do outside of my clients and mastermind members which yes. I offer people experiences to help. Change their real estate a business at a pro bono rate and it's not anything fluff it's not like a fifteen minute consultation call like we may spend hours working on somebody's business and it's pro bono. So there's a there's a lot of different things that I do in my business that don't necessarily need to be done but it's a part of my identity and the things that I baked into my schedule. I don't work those four to eight hours a week that I can right now we're probably upwards of forty but again this is a season and anytime I could cut back on this so we'll talk about on today. Show exactly how you can build up Your Business to work a mere twenty hours per week. You guys know my favorite every book of Alzheimer's by Tim Ferriss the four hour workweek. So we talk about a lot of his principles in this episode. Last at least after we've covered wealth and freedom we'll talk about health and how that plays a major role in the overall success of your business on the side of the week share with you exactly how my entire higher health routine has changed within the past month super excited for you guys to listen to the episode and just find that things that resonate with you find the things that you're going to change change in your life and the things that you're improve upon You're going to delegate other people do you have a better quality of life in your eyes Last but not least if you're not subscribed make sure that you are subscribed to this podcast leap before the millions podcast more specifically now because there are few bonus. This episode's coming now one actually at the end of this week where I'll be sharing with you exactly where you can go to get registered for my brand a new live webinar and for free which is called the four keys to building a lifestyle business through real estate this webinars going to show you exactly how to convert motivated seller leads had close massive deals. And how to do both of these things without any cash credit experience -perience or investors so again subscribe to this podcast and turn on your notifications so that you're automatically being notified. My bonus episode comes out and therefore you'll be able to register for my brand new live. Webinar Dhabi delivering next week. Guys don't WanNa miss this surf. You're thinking derive. Why don't you you just give us the link to that? Webinar now. Sounds amazing and I would you know I would but the pages just not up yet. So that's something. I'm going to be working on labor today day. Possibly tomorrow morning. That is why you just subscribed you have your notifications on and at the end of this week. You're going to tune in for our bonus episode Okay let's get into it to raise tip of the week in April of Twenty fifteen. I hired a personal trainer and I started a workout routine that lasts about two months long and and it wasn't just a workout routine. That started also started a diet plan to coincide with that workout routine and those amazing amazing results just like I had previously got amazing results with other programs like some. You may remember or use like p ninety x and insanity me I remember. Insanity made me lose a lot of weight which I wasn't completely thrilled about number P ninety x Maybe gained gained a little bit more ways so it was a little bit better in a sense but in Sandy was like twenty thirty minutes. I liked that Ninety X was a little bit longer but anyway this this brand new plan I got got on with this trainer. In April of two thousand fifteen was much longer. It was much more targeted to wasn't just a general workout routine for everybody. In America it was specific specific for me and the goals that I had so I was willing to work out for an hour and a half or work for an hour and forty five minutes a day five to six days a week and then what really set things over the edge for me. Was the Diet. The Diet was eighty percent of how I got my results in twenty fifteen routine but the diet required eight five six meals a day and required that I measured every single. Oh Cup every single peanut. Every single ounce of salmon that I was eating literally every single peanut that cannot my penis in the morning in just seven minutes with my egg whites in the morning. Seventeen inside the kind of out and do it every single morning. So what was that strict. You had to count calories log my calories and quite frankly my diet lifestyle was a fulltime job so with that being a fulltime job I naturally after I got the results that I wanted I naturally start cutting back on things. A in primary thing last started cutting back on really the the Diet. I didn't mind the two our workouts but the Diet was so so strict and it was so time consuming that eventually I just kind of let go with that. Over the next few years I would still do the workouts. Maybe not five times a week some weeks. Maybe not five times a week some money. What's some years I'd be totally diligent and I do it all year some years? If you add up all the Times that I did it that you're maybe a total of three or four minutes fast forward to twenty nineteen and I started to Lourdes about intermittent fasting and some of these other diets. That are really popular when I say Diet for me. I'm not saying that I'm going on a diet tools way but I mean like my my general diet what I eat on the basis. How that can be healthy and not be something that I eventually stopped doing? Like I wanted to be a lifestyle so I learned about a ton of different things last year. And you know from Kito to Paleo to begin Vegeterian Syrian pescatore. And all that good stuff right but one thing that really stuck out to me was the concept of intermittent fasting especially after I did a five day. Only lear may have been a seven day seven day especially after I did a seven day. Only water fast. I really really started looking into intermittent fasting and it was interesting to see that and to experience that the exact opposite plan that I did back in Twenty fifteen to get the results adults that I wanted would still get me the results that I wanted so I was like. Wow like I can keep going with my to lower per day workouts outs. But I don't have to eat five meals a day to get those results. I could enter minute fast. And the scientists completely different completely opposite. I mean every single aspect aspect of what I'm being taught until it's completely opposite of what I believed up until that point by get instill those facts. Rex Hill true as well. And it. Kinda just goes back to this game. We call life and there are many different routes to get to your goal in just because this has been proven doesn't mean that there's not a completely opposite route. That can't get into that same goal and getting to that goal in a much much much more pleasurable and desirable way which is kind of the overall theme of this podcast episode. Major learning lesson for me because I was like wow like at these. The swallows a complete different set of principles but ultimately still get you to be exact goal that I got to before not worried about eating five small meals a day act two two and a half hour increments and making sure that. I'm doing that on the money every single time. I mean in one meal a day small window and I don't have to worry about that fingers today so that's when I kinda really thought that maybe there's a different way with everything but I kinda sat on that for the past few months back up until the beginning of this year may have been December of January twenty nineteen and I decided to be tim versus second second book. The four hour body wasn't my attention to read this book yet. I was actually looking to buy the former chefs third book Uh when I decided to go ahead and our first now this book I've read four maybe even five times at this point and it's only ferber. It's only been two months on Riddick five times at this point because it's again another blueprint not a game plan another roadmap and it's better for me where I am and it completely debunks once again. Everything that I've been taught everything I know about. How muscles work everything I know about how rest as were everything I know about? How fat loss works? Everything I know about how muscle gain works has all all been debunked by this book and this book is not new old. I just haven't come across the information so I over the past weeks start implementing some of the things in the book in my sound crazy. You guys if you haven't yet with the book but you know I went from working out twelve hours a week six days time hours a day and doing that from six to eight in the morning which was completely burning my energy for the day. Like you know you're working on the morning supposed to give you a pick me up but mine was just completely burning out. My Energy and Gaza did this year in year out Speaks to the power of discipline but at the same time I got tired of IT I was A. Ah I need another way and I read this book and I felt like wow this is this is that other way and showed showed me how. I could work out for thirty minutes a week. So that's a total of two hours a month. I could work for thirty minutes a week. Two workouts a week which is basically fifteen minutes a workout and I can get even better results. Jason I guy in April of Twenty fifteen. I was floored I said No. It's not possible. This is not realistic. Doc I kept reading the book and read it over and over again and I started to understand the science behind it. I started doing my research outside. Wow I'm actually going to try this and Tim is a master. EXPERIMENTER COMPARES AUTHOR OF THE BOOK A master experiment to us what he does for a living. Right I mean every single book is produce after that has been cold as well and I think this is just gone onto making my favorite author. Not only does he not only has. He written my favorite book the four hour workweek. But he's now my favorite author like we're just we're just GONNA put that in universe but ultimately started researching this concept called. Med to the minimum effective dosage. And this is a minimalist approach to being healthy not gain inappropriate muscle and losing fat and in everything that we do. We exert a lot of energy tons of energy whatever it is doing not knowing exactly where to stop to get the exact results that we want but we just know that if we do enough then we'll eventually get there so that means that anything beyond me. The minimum effective dosage is a waste is a waste of energy. And it's not being being useful. So water boils at two hundred and twelve degrees Fahrenheit at two hundred and thirteen degrees Fahrenheit at three hundred degrees for night at three hundred fifty degrees Fahrenheit. The water doesn't get any more boiled just continues to boil so the higher the temperature although it continues to consume more resources but at two twelve it was good. It was boiling. So you're consuming more resources but you're not getting much better output. You're getting the same exact up and that's kind of how I pursued my workouts for the past few years so as of late the past week's been trying a totally new psychology totally totally totally new method that allows me to work twice a week. Fifteen minutes of workout so basically. I work out every two days so if I work on Monday. I'm not working out against the Thursday our on Thursday. I'm not working out again till Sunday. And then after the first two weeks you spreading out instead of every two who dates every three days. You're going to get even bigger if your goal is to gain muscle. Mine isn't so my diet plays a large role in how I get to my goals else. And that's also corporate body which also by the way gave me the most effective diet that doesn't count any calories agrees that doesn't count peanuts that way my salmon That doesn't do any of the sort of as much as I want. I have to follow five simple rules for six days. It's a week but I can eat as much as I want. I can eat when I want how I want with who I want at any restaurant I want. And then that seventh day that we achieve day which which those by simple rules you can and should and it's part of the Diet who break them so that you just go haywire with ice cream and kit kat bars every single cinnamon roll. You can find on the seventh day so again breaking all of my prior beliefs about what a diet a long sustaining staining diet is supposed to have so how do these realizations kind of bring me back to Roy State and just to let you know. I haven't fully league got the results yet. Like I'm I'm still just a few weeks in but I wanted to stay here on this podcast since we are talking about the four hour body later on this episode but that moment cruelest so much because with all the strategies that are out there to learn in real estate when when it comes to pursuing motivated sellers especially in the single family space on small multifamily space and this this actually works in apartments in public storage and so on but especially in those two niches. There aren't just two two key strategies that you need to take down any deal you to take on those deals with none of your own money none of your own credit no investors so there's no sense in learning earning all these five six seven eight ten strategies just to fill like you have tools in talk to take down these deals you only need to the minimum effective dosage L.. Sick take down any deal as long as ours motivated and you can do this without any credit any of your own cash any financing contingencies and or investors and. That's exactly what I'm going to discuss. Show you how to do on my upcoming women are so guys again. It is imperative that you make sure that you're subscribed hit subscribe button and this bonus episode Monash. Oh you guys exactly Athle- where to go register for that Webinar titled Four Keys to building a lifestyle business through real estate now for this episode in particular guys. I'm super excited. Because we're discovering the minimum effective dosage our wealth creation. We'll we'll talk about the profit first system. We talked about how to apply that without even mentioning Med. We'll talk about how to apply it to our time freedom how to work twenty Hours a week right. The minimum effective dosage also last but not least I've covered a hero. Also get into the four hour body and the title loan just tells you and the minimum effective dosage. This is how you create margin than your lives. Create margining your finances. So Doc. Let's go ahead and get into announce excited and I'll see you on next week's Webinar and now your feature presentation so I'm an immigrant to the United States My parents brought me here when I was two. It was their second time starting over in life so they had they were refugees in India and then they came to the United States to create the American dream. They came here in the late sixties At that point you're only allowed to take so much money out of the country so they started with twenty twenty five dollars and we landed in The wrong side of town so not so so nice places in at at that point. You know you're looking at the late sixties year. Essentially looking at a very turbulent time in the United States you got the Vietnam War. You've got race wars. You've got all kinds kinds of bad and different things going on. And they are essentially starting life over again. They had a lot of friends and relatives who had also also come over around the same time and so I grew up watching them build wealth and within a very short period of time. People were starting off off and quickly moving up the economic ladder. So they were. They were getting economic success and his kids. We were just kind of be stuck in the room listening a two adults talk and they would talk about money they would share how they were doing things they would share. How much money they were making they would share are how they were buying stuff in what they were buying and how much they were paying and how they were negotiating our culture naturally negotiates and so oh? I saw that hard work paid off. We were essentially told you will succeed successes just expected of you so even though they were starting writing off again. It was just always the expectation that you were going to do. Well on the other side. It was really weird because at at that point America was a black and white world and most of where I spent my my younger years. We were literally in town. Where half of it was black and half of it was white and so they're like well what are you well? I didn't fit into either. We're not black white so you're kind of almost like an outcast. You didn't have your group your tribe type So it was just kind of figuring out how to live within that system in in a sense to survive and then while I was still young young my mom passed away and so then it became just my dad Ni- and so he was the attitude that number one. He's going to take care of his son in number two We're going to figure out how to live life so if we're two guys living you gotta figure out how to cook out entertain how to do. All of the things that you you need to do throughout hall is time. I saw wealth being built so I remember as a kid I wanted more money and while I saw wealth around me my dad because he didn't want to work extra Because he wanted to be home we didn't have as much money he is other people. We had decent amount but it wasn't anything extraordinary and so I was always like I want to be a millionaire and so I was always looking for a hustle to you. How do I make a buck as a kid? How do I be able to do that? And I think I started out with a paper route. which is I think a great way to learn you? Learn customer service you learn how to deliver the paper you learn how to talk to people and most of your money and newspaper. Delivery comes from tips tips so the better the service you give the more money you make so I'm literally like twelve or thirteen year. Old Kid making fifty bucks a week. which in today's world is probably like two hundred bucks? You know when you're thirteen which one hundred bucks a week coming in your living march right. It's good and then the other thing. We were close enough up to New York City and this was around the time that digital kind of product started coming up so like the credit card calculator and all of these digital types of items were starting to become available and I will go into New York City and I would buy stuff wholesale like on Canal street or in the different districts I bring it back and I would double the price and sell it to friends and schoolteachers and people around me so I was. I was making a decent buck. I was always the kid who had money who could live large. And who just had a blast enjoyed it all l. l. of that and I wanna talk onto points where we rocketing take pointed out. I too am of immigrant descent of Nigerian descent and I know about those societal pressures to be great to be excellent a awesome. Make sure that no matter what you are your prosperous and You know it was always told me at an early age that higher derail. You're going to be successful us. Will I could just tell them. You'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA make it in. You know you would think that that encourages you that aspires yearbook but from me as a as an individual. Who didn't exactly know what my path was in life? I felt as though put a lot of pressure on Downwards pressure like algae psych MANNO Camden accessible boat. What am I going to be doing like what Hawaii achieved back? Let's you know it was. It was fairly easy to get good grades at school and things of that nature but when I graduated from high school had no idea what life was had no idea what I wanted to do. Had the idea of any of these things now look at nine one other sibling. My little sister of seven years would be maybe like eight of six or seven or eight. She Yuga she wanted to be. Obgyn today she just graduated from Baylor with one of the highest mcat scores ever like. She has not wavered from that goal whereas for me I didn't know what I want to do up until twenty ninety five after college so I think about that pressure and I went through a lot to figure out what it was what my path was what I needed to due to get to that success. I wanted to know if it was something for you. That was you know. I know that was instilled in you but did you have the vision to know. The Path was a struggle to kind of figure out outwear. Your footing was all I knew is I wanted to be a millionaire. I didn't figure out what I wanted to do till I was fifty three so I didn't have hob the clarity So there's been a big societal shift which I don't think people today realize if you want information today you can google it it and find it when I was young information was gold. If you had information you didn't share it because that would be sharing your gold. And no one was going to share their gold because they didn't realized that it would it would grow and both of you could grow So it was. It was difficult to learn stuff and figure it out and there was a very high cost cost to doing that today. Information's cheat today. What you don't get as people who take action back then because you didn't have a choice you took action you took action not knowing so I think one of the things? I didn't realize the power of Scaling Leno. Your big into real estate so as a kid I. They weren't real estate because the adults were talking about real estate they were talking about. Rental Properties is a kid was good with my hands so I knew how to run electric electric. I knew how to do plumbing. I knew how to lay tile and you had to put roofs on and when I was in college I get a real estate license so I was even selling real estate so I understood the entire process but I never took action once. I got out of college with that so I think that was one of the things is is the fear of of taking that. Step some sometimes in in taking action I so I will say that. The enemy of the enemy of great is good. Good I got to college. I got a job. I did well my first year. I did really well after my first. Job's making good good money and then you get lazy right. You're making good money. Life is good. It's pouring in and so I never went for great. I think I just I. I spent most of my career in a w to chop making good money. Not Kill myself in enjoying the ride. Where were you fulfil not at work? But I did not look to work for fulfilment so one of the things that I've learned later if everyone is this is defined by their title at work. I didn't care about my title because I didn't even appreciate it so I was never fulfilled from my work. I'm like I work to make money so I think the statement goes I work to live. I don't live to work and I had a pretty easy job that paid really. Well and so I was I did not find fulfillment at all at work. My fulfilment came. I'm at home and in other things that I did. So how many years were you employed at Your W. Two job in what happened leading up to your fifty third Bernabei. That really changed your perspect- so I was employed up until just before just in. I left corporate at fifty three. What had happened leading up to that? So let's go back. I leave college and I have a simple goal. I want to be a millionaire right. And then as I'm getting close to becoming a millionaire I realized something a million dollars if you use the four percent role with the withdrawal rates mean you're GonNa make forty thousand dollars a year. Well what good's millionaire when you only get forty grand a year. I can't live that life so now a million becomes two million right now. This is historic So you're you're looking at pre Y2K and all of that so to millions to number and then of course as you get to that you realize well that's not really enough so that the number number keeps doubling. That was one number two. I was always a money guy. I always wanted to understand money but I never went into the money's sale space. It's like I looked at the and I won't name these companies but they all sell investment stopped and I looked at that stuff. And I'm like this stuff is just horrible. It's not good for the customers. It's great for the company selling it because they're making a killing but we're really not helping people and so I really had this internal struggle of. How do I help people with their money but all the products that are out there for money in helping them are just not good? And so how do you kind of bridge that gap and the other thing. I didn't understand. Why don't people talk about money? People talk more about their sex life than they do about their money. Life I mean are you kidding me. We spent all his time. I'm going to school right for what to get a job to make money or to start a business to make money and yet no. He's talking about money. which is a problem if you don't talk about it? You can't can't figure it out and and work through it and I finally. I remember reading an article and it was from Grammy Chatty. I don't know if you know him am. I will teach you to be rich over me. Yeah I will teach you to be so I read an article from him and I was like. Oh it's money mindsets and I started following him because he understood how people had all these money scripts going on and so that really kind of led me down a path of understanding understanding human psychology. How we behave? What are those types of things and then at this point I was also at the point of wealth where I'm like okay I can retire soon? What am Oh you do five ten fifteen years from now? I think I also came to the realization that I wasn't going to sit on a beach and drink my ties like it. Sounds Nice. Nice but it's boring And so I started figuring out. How can I help people? And that's where financial coaching came up. And then that kind of evolved into you business coaching where I help them with the numbers side of the equation because most people are not looking at their numbers he real estate eight investors. Half the time they don't look at their numbers do it on the back of the NAPKIN and they always. Yes the wrong way. Instead of guessing the the harder way to make sure that you're not gonNA fail and so that's kind of where that journey about over the years when you say involved and I wanna I wanNA walk a up until that fifty third birthday because you just wake up one day Okay I read all these books. I think I'm GonNa Go Start Coaching Right. You had some experiences. We had some things that happened along the way that really tells you that. Hey I could actually make impact in this in this niche. I can actually do something like there's something that's not being broadcast for being taught and slowly early but surely start working with maybe individuals or however you're doing it but you're starting to see the success in what you're doing so you're like this is actually a viable option for me as a post. What I'm currently doing wt the job? That was probably a good five years of taking baby steps so one of the first things you know I i. I learned about the fact that there was financial coaching. So today. It's like everybody's a financial coach five seven years ago. That was not the case and then and I went down and I spent some time with Dave Ramsey in his group and they've got a financial coaching program for coaches so I went through his coaching program. mm-hmm and after I got out of that I started talking to a lot of the people who who were coaches within the Dave Ramsey system and so forth and I learned. There's a reason people are broke and it's all mindset is habits and they're also not willing to pay and even when they do pay they don't Showa Walk Right. It's all habits in in the way you behave and I was like. I don't WanNA deal with this. That's not my idea of where I could enjoy myself for. Have Fun That just seems like you're banging your head against the wall every day so I started to move up the ladder. I realized that there were a lot of people who were making six figures and even those people were struggling with money. Right it's lifestyle creep. The more you make the more you spend We all do. It's just kind of bad habit. So for Instance Law Parkinson's law exactly so. I kind of started going up that I started doing financial coaching. Ching for higher net worth people. They were more willing to show up. They were more willing to pay and then along that journey the next came when I learned the the business owners. Don't look at their finances. What do you mean you're in the business of business? You're not looking at your financial reports. They're like eighty percent of them. Don't look at financial reports sports. I'm like Oh my God I said number one I can help them number two. They are more. They've got more pressure because they've got to pay employees. They gotTA GOTTA pay bills so they're more willing to get help and they're more willing to pay for help. And so that was where the final twist came along. Long M M. I met the people from profit I in that was probably that was probably like a year and a half long journey in getting to know them. Damn what they were doing exploring alternatives. Is this the way I wanna go do. I WanNa just do it myself because I mean these principals are eight timeless. The there's nothing new here. It's it's a matter of how quickly you WANNA run. Do you WANNA support team. Do you want to recreate the wheel too often. Everyone wants to recreate the wheel. I'm not a recreate the wheel guy. I'm like Gimme all your wheels. I'll just use them all. Like I don't want to rebuild the world and so I ended up connecting with them. And that was it's been a great It's been a great journey and they've been super helpful and it's just helped me move faster and then along the line site I also bought. I finally bought real estate. I finally got Reynolds I. Finally we started flipping houses in in in the time after the two thousand nine crash so about two thousand eleven opportunity started presenting themselves and so we started getting involved with real estate and I went into real estate with a very simple principle. Said I'll do this but I've still got my kids. Still were relatively young. At that point. I am not lifting Hammer. I'm not doing all the work. I know I can do everything that needs to be done in this house. I'm not doing we're we're paying people. People were getting experts. Were building a team. I don't WanNa be the guy I still have W. Two job. I'm not spending my nights here. I'm spending my nights on a soccer field with my kids alabi end. I want to start speaking to those. Those business owners those entrepreneurs or by themselves I mean I can resonate so much with them the very first time I read Twenty seventeen in love the principles but I felt as though there weren't many principles that I act on I was the brand new entrepreneurs had started a few businesses. Were failing terribly sincere. Postlewait from it act on the principles loved the book and then things happened happened. That was in two thousand sixteen. Something's happened between sixteen. Twenty seven and twenty eighteenth where my business started growing. I started having clientele I started pushing more investment property so in hiring hiring employees. Not like wow like you know this. This is so relatable to a lot of investors because first off future was as though you know the whole privacy thing like I don't WanNa share my numbers Kookai trust actually share. This is nice and then you have the focusing a lot of bunch. Nurses owners are only focused on making like. You're not looking at where the money's being spent and where the money's being invested in the expenses that are coming out just making more money making more when each and then you have the Bohol. I can't afford Ryan is this sounds like it's too expensive. Lateral need financial coach. My business not at a place where you know this. This is something that is important to have all of these things circling the mind of an entrepreneur. And I want you to debunk a lot of this because I feel as though the earlier the better like I would've started back in two thousand sixteen implementing something like profit. I Oh my goodness oh my goodness. I don't know where my been today but I learned those in sex in the second time a report. It sounds like dude a hassle to the code right and I know that you have you know at this point Hundreds of people who've been able to help them investors from using the change from our. The business wasn't whether businesses to act. Now it's fascinating to think that most business owners know what they're doing and that's not the case eighty percents kind of business eighty percent in I believe that number would conviction because I was there right. Eighty percent of business owners have no idea what's scorn on their finances. Their skirts even look at rocky. You're scared to even look. Imagine that owning a business and you do not want to get your numbers. Just keep going forward hoping hoping praying imagine that things are going to get better and that's often never the case. No they say that one out of every five every five business spilled on I five ten years and the other end the other the other one out of every five based on the next ten years why is that. Most businesses fail because a visit exact principle here because they are not table to sustain the not able to sustain the ups and downs natural absent. Welsby not an entrepreneur. Pena business so they don't last. You started financial coaching. And you were doing this for five years before you decided to go into it fulltime little bit after that you decided to him when it started in real estate as well we started picking up in acquiring real estate the site rental properties Flip slow and I wanted to just break down when it comes to your goal for business owners. Were you seeing a lot of business. This owners were. They started before. You started helping them what you did to help them implement such a system and what happened on the other end so and we talked. You mentioned Parkinson's law earlier which Parkinson's law basically says the amount of resources you're given for a project is what you'll spend so so if you come in somewhere and say I need to flip this house. I got a fifty thousand dollar budget. You end up spending sixty you come in you say. I'm going to flip this house. I got a ten thousand dollar budget. You spend twelve and so whatever we're our expectations are set at. That's what we tend to do so number. One is just is kind of being aware of that. The reason I say that is most business owners when they're trying to figure out how much they can spend. They're looking at their bank account account so they go to their bank. Account is their money their yester- no if they see money they spend it if they don't see money they figure out how to cut costs and that's just our natural tendencies. It takes a lot of willpower to teach people how to read financial statements. I have been. MBA I. They didn't teach me how to read financial statements and do things appropriately even with all that education so you can't expect a business owner who doesn't even have an MBA to be at that level is just not what we're we're taught so. Our education system is broken. But what this basically does is im-. It's the same way I built my wealth. Outside of real estate is hide money from yourself the more you skim off the top and you put away the easier. It is for you to build wealth so if you you start taking your profit upfront if you put money aside for taxes up front and if you start pulling all this stuff out when you go to look at your bank account you're you're you're always going. Oh there's not enough money here and you're always thinking and saying well. How do I live within the money that I have left and you always figure out a way to do do it you you find opportunities? Things always work out and so it forces you to constantly think it doesn't require you to have willpower it doesn't expect expect you to read complicated financial spreadsheets that nobody understands. It just works the way you naturally work. And I think that's why it's so powerful. It's based based on the envelope system so this goes back. Dave Ramsey talks about envelopes long. Before Dave Ramsey they were envelopes hundreds of years ago. People got their money money and they put it you know. Here's my money for food. Here's my money for housing. Here's my money for this and people spent out of those envelopes and that's literally what profit if it I does it creates digital envelopes for you to spend out and it's just mindset trick so to speak that that causes us to be more focused so it doesn't take willpower. It doesn't take effort. You just have to put the systems in place. They are not complicated. They are simple and everyone. Everyone wants complicated results. You don't need complicated simple basic things work when you keep it simple it works when you make it complicated it gets too convoluted food. And that's the investment world is the same right. They WanNa scare you with all these complicated things. You don't understand make you feel dumb. Simple straight things always ways were better than complicated scenarios. I Love I love I wanted. I wanted a Guinness Strategy wracking. Because I think it's important not only that we that we discussed thus the money side of the business but also the likes of his side of the business Iraqi work twenty hours a week and we're going to break down Hire to do that but I I want the listeners to to really understand and internalise profit for system a not only from a business owners aspect but also from an investor of investors aspects. Because that was how I struggled with. I houses houses like well. How do I set aside all this money? I when I got a mortgage things that needs to be paid and there's no way I can just didn't make any sense to me at the time but we'll get to that so told again from my understanding the way I implement. Now let's just say you get gross income at work you get a business and you automatically have five or ten percent whatever it is. You're amount even one percent go into your account so you have different accounts for your various different needs rice Account expense accounts. You'll have an owner pay account and you'll have a task so you have five percent go into your profit account After that you'll have again profit first you're going to take that money me off the top Person Most important thing about profits Taking profit first. So you take your profit off the top and then let's just like the very next thing you do is you. Take out your your Your estimated taxes in this can this can vary for many different types of individuals. But let's just say you're going to take out another twenty percent taxes access twenty five percent for taxes right so that's total thirty percent than maybe you're going to do a forty five percents yourself as arms pay. Then maybe you're going to do. What's last? Twenty Carp Senate very percents within around beards expenses right so ultimately have a bank account for each of these each of these fields and based on. What's in that account? That's all you're able to spend that's all all you're allowed to spend and that goes back to again looking at what you have in knowing that this is all you have for this. You're going to a nine times out of ten. Many business owners honors including myself we most of our expenses go to our expenses if that makes any sense right so it doesn't go to underpay doesn't go to profit does taxes. You wonder why we don't have enough for taxes right at the end of the year so most of our expenses go to our our expenses and many in the product for system just a portion Asian percentage of your expenses. Go to your expenses right. So you're going to have to figure out a way if you got eighty percents Expensive right now. You're going to have to figure out a way to cut out a lot of those expenses to support this But Rocky I want you to wear the night. I want you to Kinda take wins and describes our listeners. How we can start implementing the Today so so go I mean honestly just go get the book. That's probably the easiest way to at least understand the system. We're not GONNA DO Justice in this amount of time It's on Amazon. I don't make a penny off it. It's it's Mike's book It will explain how to do everything. Here's the the two keys to the entire process. Our number one take action. Shen opened up the bank accounts right. That's the hardest step for most people to start small people. Read this book and go okay. I'm GonNa put away twenty percent for profit and they put twenty percent of away for profit in their whole business implodes because you don't have twenty percent profit your business put away one percent profit. You got a hundred dollars. You're not going to miss a dollar if you've got ten thousand dollars you're not going to miss a hundred dollars. Start with one percent start with tiny baby steps six months from now at another percent rights. Now you're a two percent you know. Maybe next year we hit four percent the following year we hit six x percent. Maybe as you're going through this you spend a little bit more time. You get a big win and you figure out where you're really wasting a bunch of money and you you pick up. Four percent will add the four percent. Don't try and do an overnight. Massive you know change everything. 'CAUSE YOU'RE NOT GONNA stick to do it and it's not gonNA work so small tiny changes and then little by little you crank up those small tiny changes and it's going. This is is not an overnight success story but it does work in overtime these things happen and also as you start to look at expenses you start to constantly question in them. Why am I spending money on this? Why did I spend money on that? Why did I spend money on that? When you start to do that? You'll find out you might be paying for stuff. You're not even using you might be overpaying for things so it's just changing your focus and where you're focused goes where you're going to get results so by constantly being focused on where you're outflow is which most entrepreneurs aren't they're all focused on inflow you've gotta focus on outflow as well when you do that you'll he'll find opportunities to cut costs and before you go to the second point rocky. I want to touch on something that you said you said. Stick to it Ryan in many people. Don't don't stick to anything right. They don't stick to a diet. They don't stick to their new year's resolution. They don't stick to the off. I plan and in my research. I can't remember where I'm going to call it. This woman may have been embarrassed but there's almost no way like zero zero zero zero zero one percent of what actually sticks of the things that they set out to Only way to actually stick to something as to automate so we might have even been James Crown Atomic Habits. How can we automate this system? The markets is there a concrete holloway for us to automate the profit systems. Where we don't even think about it and it just happens absolutely so what happens? Is You set up your accounts and and depending on your business. You've got to figure out what accounts you need. But you have your basics your operating expenses your taxes. You pay your profit you go to the bank. You have the accounts. What's the money comes into the one account and then you have your percentages whatever? Your current split percentages are twice a month. You say how much money came in ten thousand dollars came in here my percentages you can even just build a simple excel sheet to put in ten thousand dollars. It will tell you. Here's how much goes into each each account. And then you get on your phone. You move the money to each account and then you just look at your operating expenses and you do what you normally do for the next two weeks in on the twenty fifth of the month you do that process again. How much money came in last fifteen days? Put it in my little formula. This is how much goes into each count. Move the money the accounts go back to looking at your one account where you can spend out and that's all you have to do. Those are the processes in the systems. That's it it it sounds so simple and yet people won't do it one hundred percent so let's talk to a particular problem that many investors particularly rental antle property owners can face I think that this is a problem with all business owners. Like you said if you're looking at expenses you don't have enough money accounts cover your expenses needs. Cut Your expenses. What if you're a rental property owner? That's just not awesome Ryan. You can't cut your expenses because maybe something happened this month. You have to replace Nature Vaccari after you know what what how do you are you. Are you sending money aside kind of walk through that process shorts. Don't let you're talking rental real estate correct so when you go to buy your rental real estate you're gonNA sit down and you're GONNA say I'm buying property ex. Let's make up numbers right. Hundred thousand dollars is his property. Okay we follow the one percent rule right so that means that this rent should be at least a thousand dollars a month. Correct all right so we've got a thousand dollars a month coming in now we all say well there's certain vacancy rate. What's our vacancy rate? Let's say five percent and then you're gonNA say there's a certain amount for repairs and maintenance it's maybe for you that's seven percent okay and then you're going to say well. I need capital improvements. Capital improvements to me our roof. HVAC flooring you know the the new kitchen new bathroom those types of long term things that you need to do. What's the percentage for that? Maybe it's five percent right and then you've got taxes you've got your real estate taxes axes whatever that is you probably have alone so whatever that percentage is and then hopefully at the end. There's a little bit of what we call. Prophet fit right your margin between all of that. Here's what most people do. The money comes in they pay the mortgage and they the taxes are maybe included. Then there's an amount left and they go blow it instead. If we actually said we have a vacancy they can see and it's five percent take five percent of the rent fifty bucks put it in the vacancy account right. We said repairs were seven percent. Take seven seven percent. Put it near repairs account long-term capital improvements five percent take five percent. Put it in that account it be end of the year. If you haven't spent any of this money the money is sitting there and it's starting to grow now. Think this is just one rental if you have ten reynolds you're doing ten access right. You're putting away all of this money every month when you have a vacancy then you can say to yourself okay. I have a vacancy this month. I have no rent coming in. Let me go to my bay CONC- account because I allocated for vacancy. I'm GONNA pay myself. Rent out of the vacancy account. Oh no financial financial stress this month. Because I'm a little short right the HVAC broke okay. We knew it was gonNA broke. The system was eighteen years old. You're fooling yourself if it's not gonNA break some time. Normally we don't say for it but wait. I have a capital improvement account. I've been saving for this expense. So Oh now I can go to my capital improvement account and write the check for that new. HVAC maybe have you know a tenant leaves and now you've just gotta going in freshen up that apartment while I have my maintenance account I put money aside for this. I expected that I would have these expenses and now the money money saved for it. I can take it out of that account and pay that bill because we're allocating it. We're not stripping too much money out of the business and when the things happen we have the ability to pay for him because we set the money aside in a separate account to be able to do that and one additional Iraqi assign is that a thing that a lot of investors are getting in trouble especially with their first property the first few properties because they don't already ready have that cap exposure. They don't already have a reserve budget right because if something goes on earlier Ronnie barely got into the deal knobs. You're going to have a lot of times. uh-huh Christianity saved. A whole. Lot of money knows council. I think it's important for you guys to make sure that you have some cushion going into your deals making cushions. Civically set aside uh-huh specific properties at least until you build up the portions that you needed expected accounts again. If you implement what racking just told you and you just have absolutes or set off from the very beginning of that. Did you want anything to that. Well Yeah I think when you go into the deal you know up front. What's going to go? Oh On and I'm always shocked by people go. Oh I bought this this rental unit and you know it's two years later. I have to replace the roof. I wasn't prepared. Might what do you mean you weren't prepared. You bought a house with a twenty five year old roof her like it's not a surprise. It's not an emergency. You knew that you should negotiate the price upfront. To say I need to put a new roof on it in two years and so that's part of my budget right right. I might not do it today. But you better budget for that roof and you better put that money aside for that roof because it's part of your original deal and that goes the truth fair you know I usually when we come in we rehab them to assert them out so I got the Rehab budget. I can look across the entire house and I guess what's going wing to break. I know my appliances have a five year lifespan. I know my flooring depending on what I'm using has an X.. Amount life spent. I know paint has to get done every every X.. Amount of years. I know that heating like it's all it's all expected. It's not a surprise if you open your eyes and you look at it now. You've you've been able to apply such a simple but growing it system to the money in your business. I WanNa talk about a time in your business in the time of your lifestyle Alan how maybe some of the principles profit I for more specifically what. You've expense over time to really get an honing your your work hours down to twenty hours a week. I mean you have systems goats roundabout. How did that come about so I think that comes down to the eighty twenty rule right twenty percent of your efforts give you eighty percent of your results all right now? Forty percent of your efforts give you ninety six percent of your results. Who gives a crap about the less four percent percent if I can have sixty percent of my time to give up four percent results? I'm doing it because now I can build ninety six percent somewhere else now. I have to ninety six percents going. Which is one hundred ninety two percent right versus you cranking out working hard and being at one hundred ten percent I still got twenty percent of margin here so I'm running at one hundred ninety two percent chat with twenty percent margin and you're running at one hundred ten percent with no margin? WHO's the winner? You Gotta learn to figure that Out Create Systems. Let go of stuff. Don't create the we all steal someone else's we'll right. That's the whole thing with entrepreneurship when you were in school. You can't use their homework. You can't do this. You can't look at someone else. Entrepreneurship is about essentially stealing the ideas in the systems from everyone else and when I say steel I don't mean go you know if you have to pay for something pay for it. Don't steal it from a person you know. The concept is is is their pay people to do stuff so it's kind of like cheating right. Oh this is a hard test I gotTA study for it for one hundred hundred hours and take it in school. You have to do that in life you go. I could just pay a guy one hundred bucks and I could save one hundred hours of studying. And he'll just do with for me in life they reward you for that in school. You get nath but go do that right get help get it. Comes back to what you said. You weren't willing to pay for help for coaches. That's what it is surround yourself with people who are going to help you move faster. Yes it's GonNa cost you a little bit of money but what's the bigger return on and your money bigger return on your time. I resonate with that. So much in the arena high-level mastermind. We actually have this obsession last night. And you know there was a new one of my mastermind members was added trying to figure out benefit analysis when we actually did the math out. Squatter not WANNA walk maybe civic example implemented This this on principle because believe Perry Marshall came out eighty twenty and Had An episode last summer. I think it was absolutely one hundred of Woodley's I broke down. What was just talking about my mile for millions of facial at form right so so if you look at your tasks and the level of got ten dollars Tass you have one hundred dollar task one thousand tasks at ten bucks you track your he track what you're going for a week maybe to do this in my evernote a workflow year however else you WanNa do it but do that exercise really opened my eyes in your get your eyes Implementing this business. No like my ten dollars. Tax is like sorting through emails. Now maybe maybe customer service creating images Editing beating videos and I used to spend hours and hours doing these things because I didn't think anybody could bubis things the way I can and again once they can't they can't they will never do them as good as you. But if they can do eighty percent that's good enough and you gotta let go with that exactly exactly so those. Those are the ten dollar power. It's estimated the one hundred dollar priorites ask for writing your your weekly newsletter or customer. Follow up right. Who can do this? Who can who can put in this position because again if your time work? That's let's just say your time is worth five hundred dollars an hour if you're spent if you're spending time writing out emails if you're spending time to customer service at a ten dollar per hour task ask than obviously you're never we haven't actually this morning. Mastermind members he manages your BNB property so he's struggling going out to properties and helping individuals with as little minor tasks. Right he's always going to properties in any because he believes that he needs to Mexico adding optimal value to these guests because biggest he thrives. He lives off his writings any little thing that they do. I'm out there. I'm like out like dude. How much time is that taking away from like? Let's break down your cost cost per hour. How much time is that taking away like this? You're GONNA do today. You're going to actually record videos and give them instructions. You can spend an hour of your time one time according the bills have those There's no way you're going to drive out to each individual guests whenever they need some possible. You're wasting time Because originally he was like no like I need to do this discount. My business a half to be the one moves campus. Somebody ice. I'm like well you can't put somebody in that place of business because you're doing it and that's when he was like so so walk us through an example in life when this actually happened. You're like rocky. You're talking to yourself. I can't do this anymore. I Neva the outsources and that that provided you with massive amount of dividends whether that's money or that's in time or that's in time with your family like I wanna Wanna I wanNA talk about how to that return. Whatever turn was holiday vice well and I told you that upfront when when we flip a house it's about twenty hours of my time now flip a house and it's because someone else is finding the deal for me someone else's vetting the deal? I'm literally going in towards the end Doing the final on the deal going. Okay yeah everything makes sense is on property this works and then I walk out and then I come back on closing and we literally within an hour. We map out everything that's going to get done. We're not picking colors. We already have a standard color color scheme package that we use everywhere. I'm not going to repay colors for this house. Unless there's something odd I just. I literally what needs to get done. We've got a to do list then. I literally leave and I'm on the phone by the time I leave the house and get home the painters on his way the H.. Fat Guys on his way. The electricity moving you know everybody's going and we pretty much know the kinds of things that we need to do. Could I do you all of these things. Yeah could I do them better sure but I built a team that I trust an empowered to go do the work and I leave them alone. I'm like if there's a problem call me if there's no problem you guys know what to do. We've been through this a couple of times. Go Run with it in in it for the most part it works really well and when there's a problem that's when I called and I show up and we work through the problem problem and I know yell at them for calling me with the problem because I want them to call me with a problem because if we don't fix the problem at the moment it's GonNa multiplying multiplying get massive until I'm like. Please do call me when there are problems. If there's a decision point and we have been through it before and and you already know what we're GonNa do then then let's discuss it the the the more communication. You have the clear your communication the more checklists the more simple things and then also in flipping House is to have your schedule of order in what I mean by that is you do not want your carpets install before your painter is done right. You don't want People Dragon. Stuff across brand new carpets. That's the last thing that goes in so everything. Everything needs to be done in a sequential orderly timeline. Everything needs to have margin. Nothing ever gets done on time in budget so our budgets automatic automatic we take our budget we automatically multiply by an extra ten percent. So it's a whatever the budget is we add extra to the budget and we also add Indian as we're doing the budget like. I think we might need to do the bathroom while. We're not sure but you know what we're going to budget for the bathroom. Anyway it's in the budget. If we get screwed somewhere morale's we can say well we're not going to spend as much there because we plan for a big part is letting go right. Are they going to do it as well as me. Now some some people can do stuff a lot better than me in a lot faster than me. Let them be stopped. Nitpicking your workers. They're not going to be perfect. But just let go and I think that's a big part of it is letting go I love that endless funny rock actually find be the exact opposite between a lot of the things that I do as far as I'm doing doing something like video editing whereas again. I think that I'm going to be able to get all the little things that I want. But ultimately I'm hiring out to somebody who does this full time. This is what they do for a living. Mike oftentimes I'm paying for better work right. And that's a that's a big eye opener for a lot of people who are doing things in their business. That's that's not indoors on genius and that's it. It's not an years on genius so in yourself a genius. No one's GonNa meet you outside your zone genius. They're going to blow you away. Elevate elevate racket in the past five years. What have you actually? I WANNA ask a different question when you when you think about the past five years what new behavior hang your belief or habit as most improved your life so it's probably a little over five years ago I I was heavy most of my life. I was in great shape. I'd go to the gym. I do what I was supposed to do what everyone says as you're supposed to do and I got nowhere I kept gaining weight and it wasn't working out and one of the the things that I got introduced to it because I was in a mastermind and they're like well. What do you need help with? I'm like well this whole weight thing isn't working out and so someone introduced me. Tim Ferriss in the four hour body. This is like seven years ago Montjeu right to understand how much approach in the past two weeks of four times since the new year. That book alone every four. That's like five hundred pages it's easier it's a supervisory. Hi My fascination with that book in his concepts in the way here's an experimental none my keys go ahead go ahead going so I literally literally. I literally started following. What he said? Okay I changed the way I changed the way I exercised. I surrounded rounded myself with accountability partners. I surrounded myself with someone for nutrition. I got trainers right now. I've got an entire team around me. I go oh from being overweight to. I'm still not perfect. But I'm in pretty decent shape. I'M IN MY FIFTIES I dead lift two seventy seventy five and that's not my top. I can dead lift more than that. I'm just okay with where I'm at for the moment and I'm happy with that. I learned to go to the other side of the gym. To lift. Left Squat to to bench to dead lifts. I do lopsided waited dips I. It's it's discarding the white information. There's too much noise out there and there's too much ban information. You do not need breakfast. Intermittent fasting works. You've got to get rid of the CARBS and the sugar in your Diet. Don't eat anything that is processed in a box and yet when you go to the grocery store ninety percent of grocery store is processed in the box. Right it's all designed to taste wonderful and it creates cravings in knits screws. Everything up dramatically. So it's it's there's a lot of things in life that are true but aren't the truth in its. It's it's finding that deeper level knowledge of what truly really works and Tim's a great experimental. He does a lot of other stuff so I I looked to him for certain parts of my life To figure out how to do that. You WanNA LEARN INVESTING RE learnt from Warren Buffett. He knows how to do it and when he does if you WANNA learn. Investing Warren Buffett tells everyone to invest in the S. and P. Five hundred. He does not do that. Go read what he actually does follow his actions. He has a book snowballs. Amazing Become Warren Buffet. Absolutely love by Collins. Live kind of in voted to Process men cannot believe that that you stole my thunder like I hadn't keeping it a secret often talk about the books I read on the. I've been keeping for our buy me a secret. Because of I started implemented a lot of things that Tim mm-hmm Will come kind of come back to it in about a month or to achieve already. Just let the cat out of the bag. I'm so like Oh my God But you know going going back to that man. I for the better part of the past few years. I have worked out meticulously two hours a day. Five six days a week and it's been insight. It's been too much tirelesly too much like work out early in the morning. I work from six. So it literally drains me of my gay and I have to muster up the energy muscles in the morning. You're supposed to feel right and coach's like I can't do this anymore. There has to know the Rock and let me tell you today. Today I worked out this morning for twenty one minutes and I and I will work out twice a week nick for thirty minutes twice a week for thirty minutes and I will get better results than when I worked out five times a week. Two hours a day. Not only. Is Tim Ferriss in this book. Something that has revolutionized the way I work in the way I think about working out and eating. But somebody like doc me getting back a whole eleven and a half hours worth in my week. Do you know what I can do with that whole. My goodness it's been and it works. You getting better results in less time. And that's the key. Find the secret beautiful beautiful one last question before we get to the last one. Turn around When you feel overwhelmed maybe unfocused or maybe just lost focus temporarily? What do you do to get yourself back in line and then if it helps what questions you ask yourself so recently I read stillness by Ryan Holiday? You gotta get out of yourself. You gotTA gotTa get out of your phone. You GotTa get out of Your Life When I retired from work one of the things that I really wanted to do it was on? My bucket list was to to see the stars because we live in a everything is light pollution. It's it's horrible. There's actually a place in northeastern Pennsylvania. That's actually a dark sky area And so I literally went up into. They call it God's country and I went camping. No phones no lights you just decompress and when you everyone thinks that the answer is by spending more time it's not more meetings. It's not more thinking it's more stopping. Just it get out of yourself get out of your routine get out of your normal space go out into nature and take the time and and you know as part of intermittent fasting. You don't need to eat a lot like literally take a couple of protein bars and take very little and just go get get out and just turn everything off and relax and I think you will find all the answers that you want and you will find the things that you need in the quiet that you will never find in the noise. Lifestyle designed acceleration. What is your favorite before the millions begins book so I will tell you I misunderstood this question? We talked about it before I went to your booklet and I said Oh. What are the books on here? That are my favorite and the one that came up was outwitting the devil. I thought that was a phenomenal book. And you said to me well. What's a book that you read before you had the millions to Kinda help you along? I think one of those was rich dad. Poor Dad but I'll tell you I really struggled with that book. I understood the concepts and and I said Okay I get all of this but what I couldn't understand was how do I implement it. How do I take these action steps? How I build oldest? And how do I do that and I had no idea. I just couldn't wrap my head around it today. I look at that book ago. Oh Yeah I know what that is execute on that but it even though I got the knowledge it was. How do you actually do it? That was really a struggle for me telling me totally Alabama can book book provides you it just gives you the drain to tax aim after but it doesn't give absent. ICU or implement steps. All the way I wish we had more time to Kinda even diamonds. That by the next one is your favorite lifestyle. There's GonNa be a business APP or tool so actually the when when I left work the the greatest thing I did and it was all ready to roll and I was able to turn it on was an automated calendar booking system and Google. I was always using Gogo. I live my life on Google calendar. Like if it's on the calendar it does not exist so everything gets laid Out To dues appointments all of that stuff even blocks of time with going to work on something for a block of time. I'll block four hours on my calendar and say this is what I'm going to work on. And then when that time comes I'm like oh I need to work on that and I have everything in place. The automated calendar took away so much of the back and forth. It's like hey you want me. Hey great just book a time on my calendar and it's like a look. All these appointments are happening calendars full. That was easy. It just takes so much of a stress. Listen the more you can automate behind the scenes the better Lavelle said and just to give you guys a few resources if you APPS One of them. It's called a schedule once. I think they got bought out recently. wentz hub so try scheduled once or once up and then when I stopped using them a few months ago when I currently use music the past few years has a cabin so try both of those and those will be in the show notes as well. What do you enjoy most about the way your lifestyle is currently designed time freedom? I have so much time I've the freedom of time and everything is buffered so I don't worry worry like even my calendar set up with buffer so if you WanNa try and book something you can't book back to back to back it automatically creates buffers so that I'm not ah running like crazy and there's a lot of block time out of it so you can't even access Large parts of my calendar. Because I just don't want to fill up same here As far as the second but the first point is something that I think. I'm going to take them you and implement because I don't limit the buffer systems thinking that I'm going to be more efficient in. It's is GonNa give me that. Parkinson's law typing were happy to get this amount of time. But I really enjoy the buffalo and I think that's what I want. I appreciate that What were the the sacrifices that you knew you had to make before the millions to get to where you are today unless you just do you have to increase the gap between what comes in and what goes out and too often? I hear people I worked hard. I'm entitled to this. You may have worked hard but if you didn't make any any money and you can't pay for that cash your not entitled to it so you've really got to cut your spending in. We just spend too much and we spend on stuff that we don't even care about if I asked you. Where did you all your money go last month? You probably got. I don't know right. You can't even pinpoint it. You go look at your credit card statement. Where did all that money go even remember? Look at the statement and look at the items and go what was that. I don't even remember what I bought so cut your you're spending. I'm not telling you not to enjoy life but cut your spending on stuff. That just doesn't matter. Have a bonus question as it pertains to that. You brought up the point that I remember you talked about in the very beginning of this podcast episode. Your quote was that Your Dad could have made more money but he didn't WanNa work harder and and I know that that was your mindset back day maybe your mindset as a kid and I don't think you any longer believe that working artists early Christ more money how than to join such exchange so maybe I stated that wrong. He didn't want to work more hours. So when I said that I meant it more from timeframe type of thing and he was risk averse because he had a young kid home so it wasn't like you had that kind of ability. I don't WanNa work hard. I just WANNA work smarter. I wanted the work. I do to bring more revenue so you provide more value And it's she's learning that the higher the value you provide the the more you help people in the more value you can provide for them. The more you're willing to get I paid and when you can go out into the areas where no one has solved their problem. That's where the the big money is right. So it's not necessarily Shirley you have to work hard. Were smarter more creatively value. Find ways that bag. I love the love that because if it was all about working hard I know a lot of people who have been millions longtime 'cause there's a secret sauce you could ingredient and I told you before the call the fact that you are on a platform you're adding value of a speaks volumes to your mindset and what you're doing and that's why you're successful today's Who was essential to your growth before the millions and why I would probably have to say my dad just learning all these principles He was always telling stories kind of like bill cosby used used to do on that show. You're always getting these principles and I was always in situations where you were exposed to adults talking talking about situations so as a kid. You're just you're picking up on. All those types of things of how people are doing things we were. We were not not limited because we were kids. It's not like Oh this is over your head or you shouldn't be here. It was just the expectation that you'll learn by watching the last but not least why do you think so. Many of us are stuck before the millions even though we have every intention of getting to the millions I think a big part of it is fear right everyone is trying to go from zero. To one is a lot harder than going from one to one hundred so it's the fear of the start for some people. It's the overwhelming. I need to know it all before I can start now. Just start just like a kid learning to walk fall down a lot. Just make sure you don't get hurt right and so trying that out and I think another part in it's the thing that everyone everyone struggles with. Am I enough. Who Am I to to start real estate? Who Am I to build a business? I'm not so smart. What you learn over time? I'm as you see all these successful people. They're not any smarter than you. They just showed up and they started. They made a lot of mistakes and they just kept getting up going back and try Jerry Seinfeld has famous called just pulled up and it goes like this. You don't need to know anything everything you need to know. You'll figure it out when you need to know it even if you miscalculate and make the wrong decision needed to know that and that's power collect You hit it right on the heaven that so many people will not get started because they don't know what's ahead and if I tell you the beat because I've gotten started in every single thing that I did whether or not it was successful variability in my first year in business opened Failed at every single but if I never did that I would would still be in a cubicle rocky. I would still be in the cubicle so you can look back on those go out or are you really felt. It is terrible. I embrace it I love. I love that rock and this has been an amazing amazing interview. Delicious learn a little bit more about you find out about some things going on to. Where can I find some so? So if you'd like to listen to my podcast it's called richer. Soul and the tagline. Is you got rich now. What so it's figuring out the rest of your life money alone alone is not going to to help you if you WANNA learn more about profit? I Dan what I do for businesses that is profit comes first dot com and and you get two free chapters of the book on there too. There's a somewhere down on the bottom. You Can Click Lincoln You'll automatically get two free chapters of the book to check out as well and and those are probably the two best places to define me awesome awesome awesome and links to both those rocky coming on. Shell you bet it's so much writing to my listeners. we've learned how to have a twenty hour week. We've learned the Prophet for system in the listeners. Can go implement that. Hey we even got back into physical fitness and learning. How exactly we've created our four hour? It's a pleasure you looking looking forward to coming back. Long Talk

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Viajar a Bielorrusia, consejos y prohibiciones  Las sandalias de Ulises 19

Podcast RadioViajera

26:52 min | 7 months ago

Viajar a Bielorrusia, consejos y prohibiciones Las sandalias de Ulises 19

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PROFESSIONAL BOXER, KHIRY TODD.

The Hustle Project Podcast

31:01 min | 1 year ago

PROFESSIONAL BOXER, KHIRY TODD.

"What's up everybody? Welcome to the Hustle. Project Vodka this is your host nick. Marco's and this is my newest project. Jack's where I'm sitting down local business owners and community members who truly embodied the hustle mentality. We're GONNA dive in deep and get their amazing stories. The office the downs and everything. Between so whether you're an entrepreneur you want to be an entrepreneur or you're just Joyce hearing the stories behind our communities US Virgin Shakers. This is the podcast for you so tune in and take pride knowing that we have great people with incredible stories. Living right here in our aren't even make sure you tune in weekly for our newest episodes for more information check out our website Hustle Project PODCASTS DOT COM or follow us on facebook instagram project. podcast enjoy this week's episode guys project and and so right off the bag I say. Congratulations big fight for you This past weekend tell me a little bit about it. It was one of the You stepping-stone for won't trying to do career So necessarily step. It wasn't The opponent you know choice of his record wasn't what I wanted on it but these are the things you've got to go through when you know you're trying to keep moving up in the career you got to go guys at a a w is a w exactly. That's what this is about the end of the day. It's get wins so so boxer Lynn native right growth in revenue ashore for sure. So tell me a little bit about your backstory. So you're allowing guy you tell me about your family life back in the day I want to figure out. I want us to hear the story behind. I grew up in Lynn my whole life. You know oh I had you know my brother my two sisters my mom my dad you know not my mom or my dad worked on grew up around. My uncle's might my mom's brothers and sisters like I said my mom got fishing sisters. So it's crazy so so I grew up around my uncles and stuff. They always you know. Sometimes you know pick on the ankle that's close to my age. I three years older than me. So you know we grew up like brothers and stuff so we'll be fighting stuff that you know. I always wanted to hang around them so I always had more like I have one brother but then I'm articles. They were closed like my brothers. Destroy stuff like that so we had a close knit family any boxers in the family. No no boxes just me. And my brother They liked like martial arts and stuff. Yeah like fighting karate but not boxing. My uncle starting boxing. He went to the gym that I originally started at He was he was good but it wasn't like something that he was trying to do. He just go to the gym sparring and stuff like that but then he we meet him of real close. He was probably one of my closest uncle so he was like come to the June twelve years old. At that time I was almost about to be thirteen. He was like come to the gym. I'm and I was like Nah. Nah Nah I knew some kids from from my neighborhood that was actually going. They're winning fights and stuff like come to the gym late night. You Guys GonNa give me beat up I'm not gonNA trump trick me and I'm like I'm not going so one day. He just asked me in front of my dad and stuff and my dad was a big boxing fan like Mike Tyson fan like the biggest Mike Tyson fair so grown up in my household like I've always watched boxing micky ward a tour guide issue. I I I love my Thais. Get a little later in the broadcast Mike Tyson so mark will ask me for my dad. He's come to the gym. I was like all right. I'll go fell in love with it first day I got there. I met the coach. Seen what was it I I mean. It's a tough go in. Did you get into a lot of GROWNUP. Nah I mean yeah in no you growing up in lane then you know. There's some kids that would try to like bullied bigger than me. But you know I'll be like you know I'm GonNa Give My D'Amato yeah you know what I have to agree with like we're when it comes comes to Lynn especially like I feel like we dealt with issues differently than we did. Then you would have some other affluent towns where you would go get the police. The only thing these resolve person to person so fights happened a lot. You fight or you get bullied and wondering is now you know. That's not what what I was going from where I'm going to fight on GONNA give uncle. We're GONNA fight. Boxing is a great way for like kids. That are not even confident that you weren't believable. It's he's just a great way for people to get in there and just get that confidence boxing. Tell me a little bit about being a twelve year old kid. Go into this box Jim. It said it was just like boxing was only seen on TV. I didn't I didn't know it was real. You know when I go to the gym I remember seeing the coach. I remember to this day with the Antonio all white. He looked like like angel like he just had all white on the ASO. He's talking on the phone. He hung up the phone. You WanNa box on a box. Are you need this. You need gloves knee. Wraps next day I came back to the Jim. My Dad bought me. He wants to Dixie plastic gloves and stuff so long I remember hearing the speed bag just like mommy like rocky Balboa and stuff. It's something about like the gym. When you first go into like sweat smell with the with the vastly Ema Homerun in the level? It's just you know something that you can't describe. You've got to be there so I fell in love with it the first day and so tell me because there's people have talent and then there's people who work really hard may not have as much talent but they work really hard grinded out like what what what would you consider yourself as a boxer. You the person that's just gifted talented or you work really hard thing. I think to be honest. If I was being honest I think it Kinda fairly came easy for me. You know just like I played basketball decent ambassador basketball on decent football. Every sport I did I was like good decent at doing it. I mean so I was coordinated so once boxing came into it and all I had to do is focus on myself. It wasn't a team sport. It was only just see the U. of them and all like I do is focus on me. That was it. That was all I needed so I think boxing came easy for me because I was like you. You know how good balance I had good speed. I could power so altogether. I'M NOT GONNA say I'm the greatest box in the world you can. I won't dispute but I'm I'm doing my thing right. So what's your strength like in the ring like the like may whether it's a great defensive fighter Tyson Iron Mike Tyson like wooden i. Yeah I mean I hate to say these things. I'm pretty. I got good defense. I got I got real good politics. TNT Not not here got power Dynamite you know whatever so I don't know man. I just just not that I could do it all but I'm I'm very well rounded well rounded each thing I do so. Yeah so you growing up in Lynn. you find a boxing academy you join it. You instantly fall in love you graduate from High School Two thousand ten English it so before you had made the commitment to Connecticut yourself to boxing. Had there ever been anything else in your life that you really felt like that strongly about that. You're that passionate or like put that much work into now because you know I I didn't really I didn't enjoy school that much. I'm not a book smarter. More hands on So Anu I don't like like nine five. I don't like working for somebody. That's not my thing so I knew boxing. You know make money boxing. I can make money you know fighting glorified fighting like people praise before I'm not going to go to jail for it. It's true. So that's you know I'm like I do this so I wanna go gloves Two two thousand nine my I I find the golden girls I wanNA tournament I got the outstanding boxer would scrape yes so and then I had a son so I took some time off from box once I had my son. I'm like I gotTa make some money. I locked in job. Yeah so you got a job but then I'm like iron McKee. Boxing kickboxing. And then you know you go to these tournaments these these national Chinaman's than you you spend all your money and and the resulting you want. You know they. They got their favorites. That boxing is an expensive sport. Just don't you buy a box in pay a lot of money to enter tournaments. You got. Yeah you put you on the up. You know when I when I didn't have money you know my mother would pay for these tournaments or or we're basically you know put up go fund pages and stuff like that people that support me or new alves trying to do. Would you donate one hundred dollars. Twenty dollars ten someone. The again it added up and not go to these Chinaman's but when you go to these tournaments in the already got their favorites already picked out that kids that fighting these tournaments every every chance they get they they become a familiar face circuit face like okay. He's GonNa win this year. You know so so some fights you know. You didn't even have a chance once. I got fed up with doing that. I'm like I I'm assigned pro then no homicide pro. You know everyday. Ah there's a qualification process. Become a professional. There isn't there isn't if you WANNA be a good fighter. You have to go through you know getting the go through the steps get a manager that could speak for you. COSIGNED for you. Basically say to a promoter are this kid can fight. He could sell this amount of tickets and put them on a car. I didn't have none of that. Everything I did was by myself. You know I'm from we. Don't trust a Lotta people. You know what I'm saying so I didn't have a minute manage to look out for me at the time you know so I was just me me and my people around they call me like self made like I myself and no shame in that. But yeah and I'm not CENA cocky like self made because there is. There's people that helped me would doing what I'm doing. Agree with you. Thousand Percent Man. I I make the same. I would make the same statement about myself. Me taking a have earned every opportunity and a had I leverage nobody. Nobody gave me a dealership. Gave me all. I got always a few opportunities and just worked my ass off to figure it out and you're doing the same thing yeah. Boxing is just your is your campus And I didn't and like I said I didn't have these people to help me so it's time you know I'm like you know this interview Nipsy Hustle. I don't know if you're familiar known lunacy. An interview that he says he goes. I'm not gonNA Portray like I. I had the The most poise like I've had the most poised to my career he goes. There's there's been times I've struggled. That's the same thing with me like I didn't portray the ultimate poison. Even though you got stink I do I. Don't you know I'm in my head. I'm like how am I gonNA get hustling around him asking people and people you know. They're not they're not giving that back so once I found a way. There's no turning back from me. Yeah and that's part of what. That's what intrigues me. The most about you. And that's why I invited you to be on the hustle project. PODCAST is because to get from just a link it you know I love Lincoln. It's a great baseline whenever you try to compare great example of just urban city Underdog with the city of underdogs. And so anytime you can manage to get from Lynn to to a pro boxing career and a good pro. I mean you're not ten and one final one eight NOCCO so I mean you your trajectory is like is a way upwards right now right there's gotta be a story of Hustle in there because no no because I'm telling you right now. Nobody just was like is my son. He's going to do boxing and we're going to pay for like every every step of the way. There was a challenge that you have in common still continued throughout this whole process still today. You're encountering challenges. Well how what what. What do you do stay positive and Mike Mike you just continue to to to grow? His heart is honestly. It's hard it's hard to you know when at this at this stage in the game I'm not like I said I'm not mayweather money. You know sometimes you got to portray it as if I'm okay because you've got to put the poker face on your team Kyrie. TNT Todd is basically a character or or you know money mayweather. That's character. That's different from Floyd Maitland. You know so when when they see KAI routines he Utah at all. He must be getting money. He's fighting the Casino now I'm not getting. I'm not getting money like you guys think I'm getting sometimes I pay to fight these guys and I don't don't make any money so this time we're I'm just like man like how many. How long can this keep going for? Like I'm not money but then there's other times when it's like you know what I came a long way. I'm much further ahead than I will or and I know at some point is GonNa pay for you can find some some good in there. I mean I can tell you my own personal so story as an entrepreneur which is not much different than being a boxer seriously. self-made you gotTA. You gotta deal with all the time like that but for the first six years of of this business in the automotive space I didn't take a paycheck at all the same way. You're saying that you're not really like making a lot of money. I was only they just spending money investing in investing in investing in investing Mac into my company back. Because that's what it takes to grow. Your company is your personal brand so obviously obviously benefits you to even if you have to to pay to be on a bigger stage to get more stage presence your personal brand because at the because you've got the vision and you're GonNa you. Oh you got this now. Yeah I agree and you in when you associate yourself with like you've had founded the encore at the new casino donkor which is great for your brand right right right exactly and it just helps you leverage to to another ticket for me. It was a struggle to. I sometimes forget how much of a struggle it is because things are so much better now now right but when I hear stories like yours I feel like I literally have been in the same position and the light of the end of the tunnel sometimes gets lost but you just kind kind of have that confidence that somehow somewhere you're gonNA pull through it back. I told my mother that one time I said listen like race. I'm running there ain't no there's no light at at the end of the tunnel. It might not ever work. Might not and and sometimes you know you gotTa Gamble. I bet on myself every time you know what that comes down to for me is like at some point. You'RE GONNA have to shift what you consider success in your space like at the beginning for me. It was gonNA make this much money right. Do this do that and then and when I finally did it and I did at a way younger agent I anticipated. I started to think to myself. Well now what yeah like okay. I'm not greedy. I don't just I want to make as much money as possible. That's not really exciting to me. Now what's next project. podcast things like that. But when you're in it is hard to think that there's anything beyond it MHM There's so much to learn about about the lessons within like your your choices like boxing or you know being an entrepreneur that what do you feel like you've noticed already has an effect like a profound effect on you personally that you've learned just like lessons from the struggle just like what you just said like when you're going Through it is to say when I was younger talking to one of my friends about this. I was just saying you know when I was younger. I say man I WANNA be legend like I want them to remember me. You know I I want people to look up to me and going through the steps and I'm going to do now I look back like I am legend now like you know I can be done today. Twenty years from now people are gonNA say. Oh I remember. Carrie was boxing right. You know there's a guy named in Erie who is a boxer from Lynn. When I was coming up boxing my daddy used to say Danny ever used to run these? These comments I used to always running these conroy in the comments I'll run the commerce. I'm not that's not my area of You gotta run the Com- running. Yeah but I remember my hi dad would say Danny Irvy's running the comments and stuff like that so there's GonNa be people who talk to talk about me and that way I see you see Kyron in this. I remember car. We used to fight this place so everything I wanted to be. I am but I am pretty much that now. Like you know p Kids do look up to me you know. Yeah and I am a UH I might not be the Big Star of the world like the borough might not know me but my community where I wanted to do to me starts there not you can never you can never call someone. You can never say something negative someone who who made such a profound impact on the local community like you're trying to get as big as you can right but at the end of the day if all you become a legend that still far more than what shows predetermined determined free for all right. If you just let the world do with the world was going to do with Kyrie I mean it wasn't this right. It would have been it would have been you just work in a nine to five live struggling through life like. That's the typical story of Lincoln. I got a lot of friends openly talked to be selling drugs. I have been in jail. I could have million things. You know the right things 'cause easy not to do the right thing right so if anything even if you don't end up going on. HBO which I hope you are. And you probably will be but even if you weren't like just to be able to to have an impact on like the sixty kids doing boxing and lane ran into them inspire them. That's that's still huge man in that I think needs more. That's what the Hustle Project PODCAST. It's about celebrating the local hustle. That's what really is broken right now. In America my link where idolizing like people like that we don't know about. Yeah go boxer trust me. I'm probably incredible dude. But but he when when we idolize him we nothing in return. So we're making an investment. It's almost like it's like when you bank with Bank of America we make America your money. They're investing in the stock market right and they're playing with that money and they're making money in their corporate. Greed should has happened. But when you give your money to a local credit union they reinvest in the local community. They don't put it in the stock market right. And that's the difference to me. I was like you know you sit there. And you admire Floyd Mayweather Mike Tyson. I can't I can't say about thing about Mike Tyson but you know what I mean. But you're spending that time investing that money in in investing that motion the show and you not really celebrating the people around you that are actually more likely to have impacted your life. Yeah like like Kyri if you you have a few have a ten year old son. You're better off directing your attention to its Kyri because it's more likely that he may have an impact on your son because when ten year old kids he's twenty twenty eight year old boxer. He's like you guys dope but he looks at Floyd Mayweather driving a Lamborghini. Ferrari it's relate to can't relate sets up these sets up these expectations -tations that are just so hard like you're you're twelve and your in your in your expectations are that you're GonNa be you're going to be driving a Lambeau by like how. `Bout you just get to ten and one. Yeah first and then let's take the next step like so to me. I I love that your that your mind state is already there because it takes a lot of people long time to get there. Yeah man that no that's dope Especially being from because Lynn is a very underserved community. I I did this. podcast asked really intended to highlight the whole no-show myself going to Lynn. Up Lynch probably the biggest is the biggest city for sure. And I for me personally. It also has a personal embiid but tell me about what you think your long term legacy will be inland like. What's your hopes long-term legged for myself yourself having a boxing gym like Yes for sure? I mean I definitely want to. Jim Gone for the kids. 'cause there was a gym in Lynn. That you know but whatever happened we. I don't know what happened happened officially with it but there's no boxer Jim. Jim What's the what's the deal with. I mean tell me from the business side like what. What's why can't stay in business? I have poor management no demand I have no idea to be honest with with that Boxing is a underground thing you know they see like like we don't get highlighted like football does we don't get highlight like baseball. They got that stuff in the schools. They got football teams. They got baseball teams. Basketball team does not. There's not a wrestling team in schools. It's not boxing team. I can understand whether I don't think boxing is popular to the broader other. We all WANNA see two dudes fighting a rain. Yeah Yeah we don't want to support it exactly. It's like you're exactly so I don't know why during a gym but I would love love to get Jimmy Lin. All the kids you know the troubled kids or stop the violence you know P schouten guys WanNa you guys wanNA shoot each other. You Guys WanNA fight. Come to Tim I mean it doesn't take a lot of kids. Fill Jim. I mean you got a small if you get a small small space real basic. It's very doable to me. It's more of a matter of like if you're doing it for the economic reasons if you're doing it because you're you're gonNA make a ton of money probably not probably a good living but you'll just be building on your legacy here and more more so you'll just be helping. There's a lot of kids like you said. Inland even all over the north shore that are just under served troublemakers. Or they just need a place from broken homes. It's I'm just GonNa take some frustration especially guys like there. I remember being teenager like sometimes you just gotTa go like you know. Get your anger out. Go go some people. Listen to music. PEOPLE WANNA work. Oh play sports now. There's some kids who got nothin'. Boxing is one of the best places for that. I hope that does come true for you. GotTa let me know that because well highlight your again. I definitely want to get a job. So tell me about your plans for the future in terms of you as a boxer like where's the road lead to now because now you tend to one. At what point do you start getting a bigger on the path right now. I got on so currently I got so before I was doing it all by myself. Basically you know basically selling. I'm still doing it that way but I was selling. I'm selling tickets to basically pay for the ponant because I don't have a promoter right now promote myself. I'm on social media advertising me and my mother if people that know my mother they just know l.. She just nonstop non-south selling taste. Good mother would promoting my advertising my little flyers. Whatever so I'm doing almost all of my own but the manager now so my manager Ryan broke his nephew of Freddie Roach? Many many patio. Yes so my manager Ryan Rhodes Freddie Roach is the guy. He's he has Parkinson's M I a manager has A can of non profit organizations Harksen's yes called Punch for Parkinson's so So I'm working with him. Also marking with my other. Two managers wants from ones in the Boston area. Once in California his name is Steve. Fader he has world champion. uh-huh Ray Beltran. So and he works alongside top rank promotions and stuff like that. So I'm in I'm in. I'm in good now with trying. Get to the next level. Getting a big promoter so like I said I'm doing you've put you put the pieces in place. Pieces are in place. Now we've got a good solid record. Yeah Yeah and now. You've got to manage promoting it. Yeah hopefully when would you next fight be. You just had to fight last weekend so possibly November right before Thanksgiving It's already on the table. I could take the fight if I want to take the fight Assure windows I mean I'm just trying to wrack my record my record up and then like I said stacking w yeah. Just move to the next level because I'm reading what's the risk in that though I mean if you take a couple of losses there and then it could be over right. Yeah you could you know you can. Somebody might pull off an upset one night. Just get me you know but I'm not. Ah Roller Skate. You GotTa roll the dice you know you gotta roll the dice Out I bet on myself everytime. Yeah that's what I like to hear. And that's what that's what you have to do who I mean. If you're not betting on yourself I mean I don't know how you win one of my temple. Show with eight knockouts. Yeah Yeah what so. What is the next step? Where would that lead you to Atlantic City? Something like that a Anywhere wherever you know. Madison Square Garden Gloomy. Vegas Lemme California wherever but does does the vision I have and I think is going to happen. It's going to happen soon. I could feel it. You know you ever worry about You know the the medical medical side effects decker coma box absolutely must right all the time. I mean we know going into what can happen you you know. There's three three deaths in the last three months. I think it was yeah. Boxing fighter just passed away probably probably two three weeks ago as a result of fighting. Yeah he died in the ring named Patrick Day. You will go fighter recipes. He was good fighter later. He comes in a tough fight with Olympia. And all they do in the tenth round the last round he got he got knocked out and he you income back. Yeah he died. You know front of you know basically in front of everybody you know how does how does the guy who is fighting him feel about data mean Mike. I don't know the guy who's fighting but he made a public statement on instagram. Basically said like you never wanted this to happen. The kid was in a coma. I even conflict three four days. Gra and he basically put polet around. He just said I want this to happen. Sorry that this happened. Everybody loved Patrick Day. I didn't really. I didn't really know him that I'd enormous around here. No I think he's from New York. Yeah so But the community boxing community is a small community. Everybody knows each other. You know so everybody loved. They said how much she was always a good positive dude stuff like that. They spoke highly of them. They never seen nothing bad about he. He came to fight. He didn't need boxing. We're the smart. I think he went to school. He was smart And he died in the last round tenth round. You've got hit. He was in a coma he died. The Guy said you know. I'm sorry I didn't want this to happen to you. And then we founded dies and that's a real risk like you know I'm coming to work everyday that's not. I'm not thinking about last night at a possibility crossed my mind. I said you know what this is. Not Worth it. You you know that dude. What whatever amount of money he got for that fight Ain't worth his life and I'm making probably way less than him and I can get you know? In one shot. He gets a temple. You know back in the head you get a bleed on the brain. You're done I mean you talking about trained fighters and not talking about just Active parking lot brawl. You know how to hit I gotta ask you a question me and my boys get together once in a while. One of the things we always talk about is what we would rather do. Get tackled by Ray Lewis in his prime. You have no gear on. He's or you take a straight right hook from my Tyson. What what do you do you? How far is very louis coming? He's as far as he needs needs to to get the best tackle he can get. Because you're you know I've never had a chance to this question but it's always split and then everyone whoever goes. If you go to Ray Lucia Lucia like. I can't do it. I'm going to go tight and then when you start thinking about get hit by Tyson. So so Tyson's going to hit me with a straight writing in to the face to face and every Louis in both will knock you out like the. Both Shash might knock you out how you go might take religious. Yeah I'm fifty one percent. Lewis take stiffened up. Just do what you can crumble. Act If you play dead you might have a good take a flop like Lebron might take a flop. Yeah so what do you see for the future like how you feel about lane. I I see all the time in the news debt getting revitalized as always some like some some some stuff happening downtown area. Lind's doing good right now. I think Like you said they they they do in the murals doing a lot of movies in Lynn. they've in a lot of kids in sports. That are doing well basketball football They got a lot of politicians. That are just data from Lynn. Doing that thing. You feel the different energy. Oh Gee there than you did like when we were kids if a show I feel like on the up and up. It's more like I think it's more positive. Yeah I mean yeah everybody you know. Cut Their problems. And everybody you know doesn't doesn't support much as they could but I think the majority of the part everybody's in the only one thing to the best of their ability. Yeah I think I think a lot of positive David positively has come to people like you at are like that putting that at the forefront of their about like. I'm I'm from Lin from there like I didn't I thought born yeah. I Don Quick Casino in. I got custom consummate Uniform I put the High Towel Back Higher Towers on your on your on. I'm back on my trunks on the back of my own Jack and my robots. I'll show you a picture but Yeah I play back to show like this is where I'm from. I represent you know you know I'm from the Highlands Towel is you know mostly in highlands but you could see it through the whole city. Yeah so you know I never been up there before. That's so stupid right. I lived Olympic thirty years. I never went up to thyroid. I'm going to go though from Lynn. You've got to go. I feel like I'm not a true winner for that. Well Listen I wanNA thank you so much for coming on the PODCAST. You've had me. Let's give a shout out to your to your instagram. If my Kyri todd or Curry Todd K. H. I. R. Y. N. T. O. D. D.. My facebook is at Curry Harry. Todd Saint thanks so you me up. You know if I'm fighting I've always promote on those on platform so you need tickets or whatever you just mess assure you gotta support your local. The people and an Kyrie's out there fighting for Lynn fighting for the no show of fame for his community. So good to have you thank you.

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Sarah Bennight

HIT Like a Girl

31:07 min | 11 months ago

Sarah Bennight

"The support for this episode is brought to you by Chirpy bird health. It consulting home of the merit based incentive payment system or MIPS flight school MIPS flight. School helps clinicians earned their highest possible MIPS score in a group coaching setting and at an affordable price. Welcome to the hit like a girl podcast. Where with each episode would we hear from different women experts in the health? It industry we like to hear about what makes them tick how they overcome challenges work. They're proud of advice. They would give the other women in fighting and much more. I'm Joey Rios and I'm Robin Roberts. Today we're joined by Sarah. Midnight Director of Product Marketing Eh Steer Cycle Communications Sarah Aligns Product Marketing and content strategy in the healthcare market. Her experience in health policy and product development is helping shape how she communicates and guides and authentic message in marketing to both patients and consumers. Let's dive in so I grew up with a mom who was an labor and delivery nurse and so my ultimate dream was to. It'd be the doctor delivering the baby so I wanted to be pediatrician or obstetrician do something with children in the medical field and so I went to school and have a biology degree and now I'm in product marketing which it sounds like you started on the logical path to be a physician so what happened in the middle is look. Yeah so I started going through school and I was ready to start life. I was ready to jump in and I realized I had a lot more school left and a lot of the things that that my medical I was pre med pre med colleagues. Were studying for 'em hats in doing this and that and I was in my early twenties and I wanted to travel and I wanted to study abroad and I wanted to do all these fun. Things experienced life so I realized I can be in the medical field or the healthcare field without being a doctor and I didn't realize that that was actually a possibility. I was in the back of my mind. I thought about research about laboratory work but got out into the real world was was hired by a company after about an eight year. Maternity leave in between working for a manufacturing company Taking care of three kids and when my girls were old enough in going to preschool could talk to me and tell me what was going on with their day. I decided I'm ready to get back into the field and I had a company. A small integration in company from at attack and they hired me on as a product specialist I learned meaningful use from the ground up and I also helped build a product from the ground up and get certified for meaningful use through that becoming a product manager Over the years. I wanted to be more into patient facing technology. integrations fun it's very technical but it's also very messy and we hear about our ability all the time. I think that's the thing you'll hear me harp on the most is. Why aren't we interoperable? But I moved from this metro. Tech Small Immigration Company to Inaction Integration Company and finally had the opportunity to work where I am now stairs cycle communication solutions as a product marketing manager They call it a marketing strategist but my role. There was is to work with this patient facing technology communications I am picking up the phone and scheduling appointment scheduling online. which is my preference getting automatic text reminders for appointments preventative? Care says says really able to get more into the patient facing technology where I wanted to be. The Fun stuff is Steph. Everyone talks about it. Hymns the stuff that makes patients life easier and better and having a father. WHO's struggling with Parkinson's diagnosis right now? How they communicate and keep him interested in focused on his care is really the important to me How his doctor lets him know? Are you checking this. Are you monitoring this. Have you taken your medicine and you taking your dopamine. Doc became a kind of a big part of my life about three or four years ago when he was diagnosed so the opportunity work with this technology. I jumped out at I I left. The company was at and I've been at Sarah Cycle now for three years and now I'm the director of product marketing over there. So is some of your experience just obviously and being a mom being a consumer healthcare being kind of the Cmo of your family and now helping take care of your father seeing the importance of that interaction that they're having with him. He outside of the marketing space. Do you also provide a lot of feedback to the team over there about the product itself ever at absolute. I'm sure you have an opinion about it. uh-huh I do have an opinion about it. I was just talking to someone about ten minutes ago instead. My dog has better access to my dogs records. I than I have to my children's records if somebody wants to say is your dog current onboard tele in rabies and canine distemper. I can pull it up right now until you in the last time they had vaccine but my daughter starting seventh grade they have to have three required vaccine's to start seventh grade in the state of Texas. I don't remember if she had it. I had to pick up the phone I had to call my her pediatrician and say can you guys check. Check her her vaccine record. They had to get logged into the computer. We don't on occasion. Puerto at that doctor yet. I know well you talk about your dog. We used to have a CO worker. That used to joke before that his dog had access to a portal portals. Were you know they were trying to sell it. Quote sell it to a patient to get them to use it. That's hilarious. Yeah Yeah Yeah. My dog has better records or better access to their records than I do. And you when you're the CMO of the family. We have three children. There were five of us that need eye appointments and dental appointments Doctor Appointments and then you add in caregiving or giving a family and how do you see that patient record. I've like five different. Puerto Loggins to my chart. I have a bunch of different ones for another another. HR Dr. I don't know what the passwords I constantly of the reset the password. So it's a little crazy where the vitus vet dog portal. I just open it up. It's authenticated by my thumbprint imprint. And they're the records right there so tell us in the product marketing solutions that you're using now. They're for humans. They're not for dogs that what are some of the most exciting things you've worked on over there today. I think one of the most exciting things is is just making things more accessible to patients is whether that's a phone call because people like my dad are never going to schedule an appointment online. Let's let's be honest. He he doesn't want to waste time he won't talk to drive through boxes he wants to go in and talk to a real person. Well Sarah Psycho one of the things we do is run large call centers and operational centers four hospitals so they can take a patient experience and make it an even patient experience or a central patient experience so everyone calling the hospital. SPITAL has same experience it comes into a central area and then we get them to the place they need to get care whether that scheduling whether that's need to find a doctor in new schedule appointment. I'd like to schedule schedule Mom and baby class a hospital or a nutrition class and need to meet with my diabetic counselor so we give them a unified patient experience instead of them calling. We have hospital right now. It's running like eighty different call centers. Maybe think about a patient. Having to keep track of all those numbers times a number of family members it becomes a huge burden for the patient. I and we do have easy access to Google and looking at the hospital and trying to find the phone number right now but if you could call a phone number one eight hundred did XYZ health and you had that number in your head on a billboard. It was on a pamphlet that your doctor made your emails you. It's a lot easier for for you to get in contact with them and if you think about people like me who want to do everything online we do that online scheduling portion and the digital tools. That are necessary to help me mcclements when it's convenient for me. The doctor leaves at five. PM I get off work at five. PM I'm not GonNa sit there and so on the phone for an hour scheduling. You know. Well visits for the figure. When I'm at work but I can get home after work? I can get online. Save who is here. WHO has an appointment here? A recently changed my children and my husband and my doctor from someone that didn't do online scheduling to someone that had it accepted. Just lookit the list of available points and say okay. Thursday at two PM works for us. Click it. It's done with stare cycles call center. Are you going to provide that for multiple hospitals or is it Edwin Call Center at the sign off. It'll so we run. Many call centers Sara Cycle operates multiple verticals healthcare's. Just one of the ones that we that we we work in. And but it's it's all one call center and then multiple health systems can be a part of that. The the Nice thing about that is we can scale very rapidly. If you have a need something came out like you have a closure or data breach and you need to have of people coming through essential number and get information from somebody. We can scale very rapidly. Her hospital may not be able to hire people or bring people who are off to come in and work on the call center but most of them are usually dedicated to health system especially the larger health systems. They'll be dedicated or semi dedicated to the call system. So it's really nice about that is I'll talk to some of the agents occasionally and they feel like they're part of the health system they feel like they work for this health system and they start recognizing the patients the patients know who they are and it really helps them feel like they're part of that family especially if you have a patient is on a frequent recall seeing someone like that or has conditioner. Chronic need a level of acuity that they're able to make that connection that's great. So how did you go from being in meaningful use like some of this health policy minutia that we dabble in to be in charge of product. Marketing well I think anytime you're in product or product development. I believe all of us. That dappling product or meaningful use order getting to the nitty gritty of a solution. Leave all of us. Have this marketing ability and you may be on one side of the spectrum. Another marking is a huge. It's it's a really big field if you think about it you say marketing and people people like you make commercials for McDonald's No way this what people outside of the to be marketing world thinking of the market has advertising thing. This big flashy thing but a wet my specialty is is really in the messaging and positioning the value proposition which really feeds directly from my product experience. If you're building meaningful use product. They're they're saying. Why is the customer need this? Why is it important? Them important wiring paying money for this. Will that translate so easily into marketing. Because that's that's exactly what we're doing. Why are you gonNA pay money for this? Why does this meet your need? This keeps you up at night and this does XYZ help you rest a little easier. That's just it's just a basic part of marketing. I think everything should start by. What is your major value to the customer? And you should start from there you talk down and build your messaging of build your content from there so I think with coming from meaningful use. It helped me to get really nitty nitpicky about. What is this product do? Why is it important? Does it check this box. And when you go through meaningful use certification you have to know those integral grow pieces of the product and that they're performing X Y Z. Because you get tested on everything so I think very technical background has helped me be a better marketer. Do you do a lot of translating from technical. Speak to laypersons vache. Yes yes oh. My team is actually responsible for taking a product. Release Release Whether that's released notes or Haley this really cool new feature and it does this and making that marketing page training the sales people how to use it adding adding it to the deck Maybe ready press release about it or sending it to our PR group and having them write a press release about it. So it's taking that technical speak and making somebody somebody who has no idea what it's what's about having the understand very easily from what it does. That's definitely a skill from the a lot of times I don't know if it works on the HR side but people get their release update notes and so something will happen overnight night and then they'll say okay. Here's what's been fixed. Here's the update and for one. I think a lot of people don't read them too and like if they do it doesn't necessarily league. It's not necessarily tangible. It's not like I'm GONNA use that here there. Here's the problem that's going to solve for me and I imagine what you're doing kind of taking people from that point of here's the problem. Here's the solution. Let me connect the dots absolutely In it's it's interesting that when you send out a blanket. Release note like an E. H. R.. Might if you're speaking to multiple audiences their fluency in the HR speak is going to be very different. So if I know right now that my any target buyer as a marketer the nice thing about that is I know what marketers are looking for. I know what their goals are. They have revenue goals they have retention goals and they have certain certain things that they need to do to meet their goals but then you move to a financial buyer like the CFO the words in the in the the wording being the the speak that use language that you use to take that technical speak in and translated into something they understand can digest varies. Lee is going to be very different. And then you have good operational person so working at the enterprise health level is very difficult because you have multiple buyers you have to translate into multiple languages switches to make them understand what you do why. It's important how you can help them. Leverage your partnership and and make their business more successful I mean you got to put a lot of different hats on just go hit. Here's my financial hat and a lot of really it's any marketer should do this especially product marketers or people who work on content or messaging. Really that's just interviewing your clients or prospects and saying what does keep you up at night. I'm not gonNA guess on. This is or if you have a message and then a year later you're coming back to write new. Content is still relevant with you like we. I run a client. Advisory Injury Board at our company and one of the biggest things. Is We think these top five challenges are your challenges. Is this true. Can you take these pieces. And Maybe Rearrange Dome Tom. So we competitors seeing what your top parody is because we have this at number one we've consumerism appear maybe it's really integration so having having those conversations with customers is essential to being able to translate that language imagine you've had a lot of really interesting opportunities to work with all all sides different clients in all aspects of healthcare. Is there any project in particular that you've been especially proud of or excited about that is it's really just been like. I don't know make you excited to work on. I mean we're not always excited about every single project that we get to do. Is there anything in particular it stand down. You Know I. I can't think of anything off the top of my head recently I like I like content projects that we work on. We're we're we're working on a new E book We just released a new white paper about multi general multigenerational. Ah there are five generations making healthcare decisions right now. My son is about to be twenty. He's Gen Z.. He is never known a world without phone or without a digital screen. Furnace furnaces face are very different than the like my grandmother's age the greatest generation. And you know she's actually blind now she she really does like technology. She loved facebook Until she lost her sight she uses Alexa so right now with Alexa being hippy compliant and US doing scheduling looking into tying invoice search. Not only into your marketing search results but also into maybe scheduling or maybe medication reminders. To help people like my grandmother helped people like my parents who are starting according to use Alexa and starting to realize the robust nature of what that kind of a technology can do to help you stay on top of your healthcare like she uses. It took call her driver if she needs to go to the doctor. She's not at the point where she can say Alexa Scheduling appointment for Monday at ten. Am with Dr so and so that that's where we're headed. But she can already say. Hey James Come pick me up to take me to the doctor with doctor so and so on Monday at ten. Am and I need to be picked up at nine. Thirty on. Alexa will call the driver driver and she'll set up an appointment so I think there's a lot of really cool. Technologies digital assistants are just one of them My favorite implementation product. The project actually was a long time ago in meaningful use and we implemented a nursing system down in a hospital in South Texas and getting to work with the patients in the nurses says I think was. It was the closest I've ever been to. Maybe that Dr see where we are in the hospital and actually asked if I could wear scrubs so being in the hospital environment was it was such a thrill to me I kind of think why these days when my when my kids graduate high school in move out that working for a provider might I just be exactly what always dreamed of. Maybe you hit earlier on the advances on the patient consumer and caregiver side the example with your grandmother mother and Alexa or about how your father really his choices always gonna be the schedule online and then in just a position to what she said the beginning about how. You can't even access your records when you see the general world advance aimed at a rate that is exceeding our ability to not be able to integrate at an industry SRI level. What does that feel like for you? What do you think you know the the next evolution of things are going to hold to help kind of close that divide? Yeah and it's it's going to have to to make the patient experience easy because we've all seen if it's not there's some patients who are very persistent and they're very on top of their medical conditions. They will persist but a lot of people give up if they meet resistance. They just kind of give up. So the integration challenge is going to have to be solved. There are a lot of. I'm great companies out there that are trying to tackle this now using API's into the HR's San Siro health is is one of them really familiar with is doing great work into helping mm solve interoperability challenge and I honestly believe my own opinion that a national patient identification system is is the only way way and I don't know if that's only going to happen if we ever get to single payer I don't know if that's something that is going to be a like a private company that comes in I and stewards this and gets it up and running. I don't know what the benefit would be to them but to the patient. If you think about anyone can run my social security number and get a credit score on me. What if any doctor could run my national patient identification number and get like a health score on me like a okay? Here's some red flags and and then maybe if I gave him permission they could access all the main important things about me like I'm allergic. Also sporran drugs. That's kind of a big deal but the only only hospital chain that knows that in Texas Texas health resources if I go to Baylor health they don't know that and if I come in on a code and I'm out and no one can tell them I'm allergic. Just Lewis born medication. That's very common pre-operative drug. They give you to combat infection so national patient identification system if they ran number are scan you from driver's license or Cardiac Harry. I don't know what that looks like but I think that is the future. I think that that would be the major catalyst to interoperability for sure. Because we can't integrate we can interface we h I-IT's. We can do it it. I'm I'm starting to wonder if it so we don't want to do it. Because there's not a financial interest for me as an as an organization to integrate with the organization down the road. But the your your point is well taken because the framework to do it and to safely does exist and to you your point lake releasing additional information ray Lucia foreign mental health. You know then you could give empower the patient say do or you don't WanNa share these details with this provide the right. We could possibly probably hold information back him and empower the patient having that ownership of the ID just like you're empowered to really retain. What doesn't doesn't go on with that? Social in in it's so easy. We have the technology think about facebook. If you're on facebook you can check your privacy and permissions you can do it on linked and you can say all of this be private or I just WANNA share my profound on title. I WANNA share my email facebook. You can even weed out individual people so if we we have the technology we need apply it into healthcare because then I could safe had a mental health concern or condition. I'd like to share this with these doctors who are sworn to privacy but not employers. Maybe maybe not certain payers we have a technology for just. We're not there with healthcare yet. They could see there backfiring if people don't know the settings where people like accidentally posted on main facebook when they came into proposed pretty grief. Santa Fe does face with isn't that I mean it's not the best example example but just if you look at just see site right so if you had a national patient identification system and they had a portal for example that had security settings like they spoke where I can go in and check what I wanNA share who I wanNA share with. Who's my next of kin? Who should you call if encoding like these really or if I come in from car accident these really important things? The technologies built out there. We just need to apply it to healthcare and I think it seems even easier because 'cause now have a consolidation of payers and EHR's in the marketplace. There's really less people less players in that space to manage it and honestly if you think about the payer is the key because they have all of this information they have everything about me. They knew if I'm filling my medication or if I'm not they know wearing filling it they know how often filling it so there in almost a better position to be the shares of the data than the actual health system itself. You say You know we work on a side where there's a lot of information though that has also held back and so on the payer side but I think it's a great examples what they can do and when you talk about it from that perspective people people are fearful of the information being shared. I kind of I have to go on the back of my head because you know kind of you look behind the curtain. How the sausage is made and I think they already know that unless you just cash paid a visit Ryan the film script? They know it to some extent. They're going to know it for most patients so that kind of leads US church second question and we touched on it a little bit. You're talking about national patient identifier being helpful. Although I think we have to use something other than P I if you could put on your magical thinking had and think about the wish that you would like to see come true in healthcare health. It with your background. Everything you've seen. What would be your wish if you snap your fingers and time money place are not a concern? It has to be interoperability. It has to be access to all of my data and not filling out paper forms anymore because everyone has easy access to all of my data of course it my will and I just think that would solve so many other challenges would kind the fall into place. If we could just solve that I know we can solve it if we would just work together to fix issues that we are having And maybe you maybe that needs a better infrastructure but I would definitely snap my fingers and solve interoperability and patient nation. What would would that mean for patients like your father? That has Parkinson's or if you want to tell me it's none of my business. I'll be quiet for a patient. Lake my father he. He has multiple doctors. He's he's in remission for cancer but he still has to check for for cancer every a years. So he's got an oncologist. He's got his primary care doctor. He's got a neurologist for Parkinson's but he also sees other specialists because Parkinson's is is a a multi system multi organ disease in the neurologist. kind of like the quarterback but there other providers involved in his care. He has so many medications. My mom asked me once to run home from Church and grabbed him a couple of his pills in cheek mentioned that brand name of his pillbox only had the generic name on it. And and so I think if we could get all this information where he could access everything have it right in front of a he could share it with his family members who are helping to take care of it would show the brand and the generic name together you know just make an easy view like here is a record of medication and when I need to take it and what it. It looks like each day if I haven't like I can tell if he hasn't taken his dopamine. I know that does to him but I don't know at the medicine. He is not dopamine. It's called something else. So it easier view for caregivers and babysitters think about records. When you when I send my daughter who has asthma to school? nope she's got bags of medicine if I could just show them This doctor record of here is the prescription. Here's what they say to use it when she said a an asthma level yellow yellow. We do yet red yellow Green Asthma When she's on a yellow day she needs a little bit more Shera than normal? So if I could just share that one screen view from the doctor with doctor signature on it without having to run around and get permission for her to carry her asthma medicine everywhere. Because it's right there from the source of truth the medical record I think a lot of us could just have easier. Easier lives when you have a chronic condition absolutely healthcare now complicated complicated as is and how it changes essentially you know how much it's changed. Were even just the last probably five to ten years. How do you keep up? Yep You read when you listen to. What did what are some of the more influential media that kind of influences? So when I was in the government side it was definitely. CMS push notifications on twitter and every other social media for CMS. I could find out of new. Regulations came out I have found twitter to be a godsend as I've switched over from more. Our government is seek Um's and mips into more of a patient patient engagement patient an experience and patient experience very broad subject we touch on a lot of different technology telephone text email mm-hmm digital assistance all kinds of different things. Where I need to save on everything so twitter is been a godsend to make second? Start filtering four K.. Patient engagement. When's it really mean and start reading different people and finding who are the real experts who are actually talking about real patient engagement and not e patient engagements buys where if he walked through the hymns vendor health loyal? Everyone's booth because they caught on. That was a big deal and people needed to care about what patients sought. I say health. It news any of the main online newsletters. I follow all of them I Get most of them delivered into my inbox but going to conferences. I find it more useful to find Applicable technology for now. Because then you start seeing all the case studies and how they've been able to change patient's lives or they've been able to make make it easier for doctors and more enjoyable for doctors to do their job. Ah By implementing a certain technology. So conferences like Hymns Expo health. We're at this. Week is a great one because they focus on things you can do today not this pie in the sky dream. Like when you walk through the Hymns Vendor Hoefler and you're trying all the virtual reality this is really cool but house is going to help me get access access to make medical records You know so i. I love attending conferences when I'm able to In meeting with people and just listening to and you're listening to experts online. I don't know if it's helpful all so if people who visited not to find you and you're busy busy to respond. Where can they find out more about you where you're working or if they just want to connect what are your handles? Tell us where you're at online. I'm on twitter at Sarah Nights. I I kind of jokingly had a contest last year to say an awesome starbucks Gift Card to anyone that can find a decent twitter handle shorter because someone said my handle was. It's too long and difficult but it's been night be and I just like it sounds. I'm also on Lincoln. Which is Lincoln's probably my preferred method method of contact for professional Reaching out I usually respond pretty well and Lincoln if someone asked me since me a direct message since request almost always accept it and respond. When I'm able wonderful? Well thanks for talking with us you sooner what I'm doing. Yes do you great and thank you for listening to the hit like a girl. PODCAST I if you want to know more about us for this guest. Check out our website at hit like a girl pod DOT COM. 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#02 | Corona-special met Gideon Tienkamp, managing director Flying Tiger | De RetailTrends Podcast

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gVisor: Secure Container Sandbox with Yoshi Tamura

Software Engineering Daily

50:03 min | 1 year ago

gVisor: Secure Container Sandbox with Yoshi Tamura

"The Lennox operating system includes user space and kernel space in user space, the user can create an interact with a variety of applications directly in kernel space. The Lennox Colonel provides a stable environment in which device drivers interact with hardware and manage low level resources. A Lennox container is a virtual environment that runs within user space to perform an operation a process in a container in user space makes a sys call which is a system. Call into kernel space. This allows the container to have access to resources like memory and disk kernel space must be kept secure to ensure the operating system's integrity. But Lennox includes hundreds of SIS calls each SIS, call represents an interface between the user space and the kernel space security vulnerabilities can emerge from this wide attack surface of. Different cysts calls and most applications only need a small number of six calls to provide their required. Functionality g visor is a project to restrict the number of six calls that the kernel and user space need to communicate g visor is a Runtime layer between the user space container and the kernel space. Gee, visor reduces the number of six calls that can be made into kernel space. These security properties of g visor make it an exciting project today, but it is the portability. Features of Jeeva that hint at a huge future opportunity by inserting an interpreter interface between containers and the lenox Colonel Jeeva presents the container world with an opportunity to run on operating systems other than Lennox. And there are many reasons why it might be appealing to run containers on an operating system other than Lennox. Lennox was built many years ago before the explosion of small devices and smartphones and IOT hubs, and voice assistance, and smart cars, and to be more speculative Google is working on a secretive new operating system called fuchsia Jeeva Zor could be a layer that allows workloads to be ported from Lennox servers to fuchsias servers Yoshi Tamara is a product manager at Google with a background in containers and virtualization, and he joins the show to talk about g visor and the different kinds of virtualization. Some recent updates from software engineering daily land the fine collapsed. I hacker Thon has ended. Congratulations to a rhythm kit space and rivaly for winning first second and third place respectively. They won four thousand dollars one thousand dollars and a set of s e daily hoodies, respectively, and the most valuable feedback award and most helpful community member award. Both went to. 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Thank you. Great to meet you anything you're having today. I'm excited to talk to you about different facets of virtualization, and I'd like to start on the topic of virtual ising at the hyper visor level versus virtual izing at the container level, which is not exactly virtualization. But is quite similar, right? How would you distinguish between those two area? He's a very good question. Those are two different technologies as you might already know, but virtualization, and the, you know, especially in virtual machines as the name stays, it provides the machine level abstraction. So if you want it to chop up a resource a resource into multiple machines, we have machines on your and a hand containers are virtually ising the operating system view more on the process side. So you can imagine having a container sharing. The operation resources on virtual operating system resource. As if the container owns everything bought relegates actually share by two spring season containers can run on bare metal or containers can run on top of virtual machines. How would you contrast those two operating environments so contitue wrong containers, because they are basically a process, right? So even if you wrong directing on Burma dual use ou need to do the opera assistance. Somebody needs to do that opera system work fundamentally at this point. They're busy too approaches. One is that you wrong, a Colonel inside a virtual machine and that run on top on top of that you run the containers. That's one we doing the other way of doing namely wedgie lies Rex she does is that they take the system calls intercept that and due to emulation outside of this amp box or the continuing to conscious of container. And then taught you to get the. Help of the host Auburn assistant to get back to the container. So there are two different architectures as far as I know how to the performance characteristics of those two different environments compared to one another. It really depends on the workloads. So for example, if you have seeping in them Maury gonna the oriented workloads, then even if you take the path of you know, like like gbs, or which kind of emulates the system call then the overhead will be very very limited. For example, this morning at Niamh, we had a sociable case Sambo's there. I actually have slides about the performance, and is not on bare metal is more on the on g k e we did the comparison between Runcie the native container without sandbox. Versus a g k Sam Boston performance for CPU and memory to work lows. The gap was only around two to three percent. We actually share the stage with my launch costumer from the court lab, Tim, and he. He was also saw showing that he used the cure using GK's ambles in production because he runs a Saz and for this as environment. They do need ice dean each isolate between tenants. His customers were close are more seep in memory or into work lows. The he was super happy about the sort of additional defense in isolation provided over the cycles that he needed to give to g k sandbox within Google core infrastructure itself, not talking about Google cloud. As I understand most of the workloads. Do not use a VM. It is containers running directly on bare metal. Why is that the case on the what do you just mention I don't have any sort of data or kind of a good way to confirm? However, I will just say, containers and containers, really good resource efficiency. So it really these are the kind of actors you realize you're too, but. When you actually sheer or large machine or large cluster by virtualization, what people forget about is at once you actually go down a path of virtual machine virtualization virtual machine, then is a machine and machines, don't usually change their memory sizes here, and there is actually mostly fixed. Exactly. So if you actually start chopping off those resources basal virtual machine, okay? For example, you need to pin down the memory for four gigabyte. Even if you get smaller Wonga by v five hundred twelve two hundred fifty six right? You need to stay there on the other hand, if it's an host operating system in the containment process, you can allocate a memory or page later. And if it's not used like, for example, in many cases, like Saz and like a pass, right? A lot of sites or prowrestler may not even run at all. But it needs response. When the customers your their user access site, but you don't necessarily want to the customer may not want to pay for that the service offered or doesn't want to take the cost either in that situation. What's going to happen? If you have a processor container you can easily swap it out. But if it's a virtual machine have the stay there. We'll get into that. What you described? It's kind of an allusion to the cold start problem that we can we can explore a little bit later on. You're talking about dynamic scale up and scaled down of a single container. Right. Could you describe an application where you would want to dynamically scale up or scale down a single container and how that scale up or skilled down would work in practice? That's a very good question. Let me think about it. There are so many workloads that will fit into the category. But one could be like a web application. I think one way well simple web application. That could represent. Let's forget about skin Leo because that's one on other way of doing too disturbing to traffic. Liz say we just happen to have a very small website and in running on inside a container. Now, initially, you may actually just allocate small resources, right? But once you get more, traffic and requests or at a web application you more data than you wanted to expand. The tricky part that right now what's happening is that is really hard to predict how much resource that would a processor site niece. And then if it's not needed anymore when the peak goes out, can you can scaled-back that is I think the kind of characteristic of the kind of workload. So on the date, you to your point we if you have workloads that are facing with customers or to the world that sort of hard to predict you know, if you have a kind of a very specific of assumption of other resource consumption presents. When you run them bachelor close you have some understanding about how much resources could use. But if you're actually facing like unknown, busy like when the business is changing, then within this container. You may wanna go all and down flexibly to optimize the research Mnuchin. We're talking here about virtualization on a server side device. So I am accessing a Google server from my phone, and I want to request my g mail application. Whether I'm looking at my inbox or I'm sending an Email. I'm hitting a virtual lies instance of g mail. It's probably running on a container that container. Maybe it's in a VM. But sounds like it's probably a on bare metal and some kind of interesting architecture that will get into do we want virtualization on client devices? Also, or do we just wanna talk about virtualization here? On the server side. It's a very good question. As far as I can tell from what's going on in the geyser side in open source community. They're folks from arm did the presentation, they're very recently. So I think on even close I don't actually know too much about the, but a arm apparently nano there are suicide Armagh as well. But their clients, I you know, there's so many of the armed vase chips. So I would imagine that this sort of virtualization or virtualization based 'isolation will be interesting area in the coming years as well. You work on or you have worked on Android on chrome. Right. Exactly. That's I mean, that's a kind of virtualization on a client device. Yes. I've got a Chromebook. I'm very happy that Android applications can run on really worked on that. Yes. Tell me about that. Sure. I mean, why are you in? Why do you say given that note, why do you say that this will be interesting in the coming years? It sounds like it's already been interesting. Oh, that's a that's a that's a that's a great point. So now, I don't work on with the chromosomes. I wanted to talk to you on behalf of them. However as there are some talks from Google back. And I think was two thousand sixteen with a were you know, when we're thinking about bringing the Android apps to chrome chrome lesson Chromebook, we thought about okay, maybe we can use containers to bring those workloads to Chromos. So though was sort of a container was a good way to manage and also isolated work loose, and I was sort of a initial motivation behind the scene of why this the container started getting us in the context, interrupts and chrome Lous. Go CD is a continuous delivery tool created by thought works. It's open source. It's free to use and go see has all the features that you need for continuous delivery. You can model your deployment pipelines without installing any plug ins. You can use the value stream map to visualize your end to end workflow. And if you use Cooper netties, go CD is a natural fit to add continuous delivery to your cloud native project with goes CD on Cooper, Netease. You define your build. Workflow? 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How does the challenge of running containers on a client device compared to those of running containers on server side infrastructure, technically, I don't believe there are significant difference? If there's anything that is much more sensitive. I think the graphical part or meet a multimedia stuff, which will record a law more access to the hardware could be a different I won't necessarily call the challenge, but you know, in case a server assigned as very like, a you only have work those, and they don't necessarily have to access of those, you know, like immune multimedia star there are some differences like that. And as a consequence I will not be surprised are different approaches, and our textures ought to accommodate that that's a requirement. So I think that is kind of in a big picture that could be different. So like if in some world where let's imagine all the different application. Icons on my smartphone. For example, if any one of those I mean, those don't run containers today. Right. Like there or do they which one are you talking about Android, Android? I don't believe. So I don't think so. But let's imagine they did if they did we would have to figure out how to share media files between them. That's what you're saying. Yeah. So containers, do they not have good strategies for sharing resources today? Oh, sorry. Then I think the media point that I mentioned it was more or less seeing their graphics ready like a rendering when you, you know, so an a service. I you don't actually have that kind of gaming, right? You don't need this. Or you don't you may not how this requirements on the other hand Klein site is all about what he show up into display, for example, audio blue to right, right? Right. So those are kind of Kant for wifi rain, all all those kinds of contexts. Actually, I'm saying that you know, who make a difference for comes down to the solution. Right or similar problem? Right. Yes. So certainly doable. But hasn't really been implemented quite yet. Which is why you're saying this will be an interesting area to explore in the future. I think the Android apps on Chroma west has a one answer for sure. What I mean by the coming years is the for example, like visor is, you know, still we have we have we don't official products like Clough, Ron which got announced in day one this time. Now, we have g k sandbox usually visor to provide Zam box in GK Google Anees engine. So a lot of things are happening server side. But we don't have a product or community people. Who said, yeah, we launched his product using G visor. So I think that's what I mean by, you know, for context as visor, and that type of isolation. Still in the coming years, not necessarily like a mesh about other projects or products at this me know, as a smartphone user, or a client device user, you could even say, you are a consumer of technology. You also know deeply about virtualization if I'm a user, why would this be appealing to me? Why would I want containers on on a client device, you know, like, what am I going to get benefits or security benefits? Maybe something with web. Assembly. Like, what am I getting? I think the reason why containers on those client devices, I think from end user perspective will not be visible. If anything it will be more of a hell to deliver it application, for example on Android. There's play store arriving Kroll moas, mostly on the web is the sort of a how location we have application gibbs's apply to the client site now when it comes down to sort of a other devices like we talk about that, we wouldn't. And we say client devices like we talk about phone and laptop, but there are life things. Like, I o t devices water the application developer Meccan is gonna be like, of course, one of the sort of a access question to some people who are interested in area that so would you want to use the existing clients, I'm programming model rap location deliver model in that area. Exactly the reaction. Exactly. So it's a different world. Does. I think a lot of people think can I just use containers Iran's on server side. It can't if it can only also run on the client side. Yeah. It will make my life easier. You still have to deal with the different between the server inclined device like talk about like multimedia stuff on the client side vs server side, which is much more. Like, a very simple like just sleep you in memory may work in this pretty much, right? So just handling those differences, and for you know, four factor is complicated enough if there is a kind of costs and demand that can I just use containers tests on a server side, and then the point the client site or any other devices write once run anywhere is always there. I think what you're describing is like I think about my experience as a mobile app developer. I've deployed to the Android app. Store deployed to the IRS app store, not the most buttery smooth experience. Right. But there's a reason for that is it's because these are these low. Friction life and death applications that were downloading like if I download a smartphone app that breaks my phone like I might be in in the middle of nowhere without my map. All of a sudden. And like oh God. That's terrible. That's why we have this. You know, this gating process with the app stores. But that also speaks to the fact that like, why are we delivering applications this way. Why are we downloading applications in this way, where it's kind of all in the I guess, I don't I'm not a expert in in Lubbock systems. But I guess it's all in the same user space, basically. But if we had containerization we would have this natural application model enforced set of isolation boundaries. So that we could we could tell like just by the rules of the game this application cannot break out and ruined my day. I think that's the exact you're spot on. And I think one of the biggest lar- is benefit of the Ekos. System. I'll call the application ecosystem from a play store men. The Iowa's of out store is definitely that is as secure to Ron this application on my phone in. Can we make sure that that cannot get know compromise my phone or any devices? So therefore, I think or a long time this running Docker or containers just pure like their containers on such sensitive devices were not sort of a, you know, prime time for awhile. And we always thought that these sort of application Diller mechanisms this noodle is there. And I think that's there's a good reason for the now with more technologies like Sam boxing right now. Let's assume that just hypothetically, hypothetically, there is a technology problem may be on base on g wise or something else doesn't probably matter. But if there is a hypothetical technology on a form factor right on client site, which runs offer, and you containers and. Even though was malicious even that was sort of a compromise. If we can actually guarantee that if we shut down this container will remove this container is the device can give back to the safe state that will be very peeling it because all you have to do because you know, that even that dock container it's compromised malicious, the the threat will remain there. The threat will be contained before contains container not contain there. Therefore, there is always a concern risk of that leaking out outside breaking out of container, but we could contain then that's why will remain there. And once we figure out thank every move it. Shut it down back to the fresh state. Okay. I think that is appealing part. I completely agree. Let's get to talking about g visor. Explain what g visor is g visor is a technology that Google has been building for a Sam boxing and from a technical perspective. The most interesting part is at like, I mentioned. Earlier a interests the system calls, and then instead of you know, today containers are tied together there's container and then us Colonel and talk directly. Instead of letting the happen it interests the system calls forty to the user land Colonel usual an Colonel ruining go instead of seat. So first of all, usually, you're the Colonel unusual Emmys Sears land, so he's not like privilege, and then we use go for memory safe and many other kind of benefits that go Provis that actually becomes a first 'isolation boundary and as a second layer of ice issue. So even if an attacker can compromise at user line Colonel, you know, even g buzzer main. I'll be both free. Even if attacker was able to compromise Colonel. There's a dishes second filter end Namespace thou will function as additional Lear security. So when we say, gee, visor, the key part. Here is is taps assistant call between, you know, sitting between container and the host kernel inserts two layers ice. Solution one is century user line Colonel call century ridden. Go and then the dishes second filter Namespace, which will restrict the centuries behavior is. So what are the use cases of g buzzer g has been used inside Google in now coming out to a rule, call products. But the most that they're two main users or use cases one is that I you wanted to have a defense in depth to your container, regardless of use cases. Again, you fuse you're aware that container. It may not be able to contain then they will be able to use U visor for additional defense defense in depth for their containers. Now, the much more intuitive, Australia, they use cases is like SAS and multi tenancy, for example. I think we started this conversation from cloud run where a Ron accepts various code coming from users. Or even plug ins than the service provider has to Ron those programs in multi tenant fashion by nature. Now, again, if it's using container as a back in then as we talked ready he may not be able to contain in the situation that multi tenant situation, you do want ice -ly between those tenant workloads that is one of the most intuitive use case of she buzzer. Here's a quote, g visor implements Lennox by way of Lennox. What does that mean who's a who actually said that your website divisor website? Okay. Sorry. Thanks. You get out of. I think what it means by that is it's still a Lennox the user and kernel emulates clinics. And the key part is that it doesn't denied existence or the value of the next at all it actually just interests system. Call from the container and do a lot of work as much as possible, but it will work cooperatively with hostal nece Colonel to offer disturbances that containers need does it require that host to be a Lennox Colonel at this point. Yes at this point. I will say yes. But technically the architecture. Does you've is your architecture? We thinking should be more January. We just don't have that implementation plan or anything what they're radically. It is shouldn't be restricted to Lennox on its own. Let's say you could choose from a more diverse pal. Of host operating systems for your g visor container to run on top of. Why would that be useful other than next here? Saying other than Lennox. That's interesting question. Would there be another operating system? You would want these containers to run on hypothetically. Okay. That's a very good question. Even we say, Lennox are various different flavor Lintas as you already know type of you know, the kernel versions temple distribution. So it's probably fair to say that having g visor running on more platform. Why why there's Linak or anything else would help share this sort of a experience of isolating container in stronger fashion. Neil sandbox, the containers do contain can be spread to more environments and third as sort of a possibility we may see more use cases that we even thought of again, do you your started from the googles? Infrastructure. And now, there's cloud and we're excited about those even people outside of Google can actually benefit from the value benefit from the technology through cloud Prada. But as Judas open sores is pretty much of to the users imagination use cases to hoarder to more other operating system. Other flavor of the distribution, which is already kind of happen that aren't the initiatives from arm, folks. Right. We didn't necessarily kinda plan that ahead, but they came to us and say want to have running arm on. That's interesting. Go ahead, please. And we'll help you can see all those conversations and the presentation in public. So I think those are the kind of exciting things that we expect from the open source community. This episode of software. Jian daily is sponsored by data dog data dog integrates seamlessly with more than two hundred technologies, including Kuban Eddie's and Docker so you can monitor your entire container cluster in one place deta dogs new live container view provides insights into your containers health resource consumption in deployment in real time filter to a specific Docker image or drill down by coober. 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It has LARs set of devices that can run and has a lot of functionality as well. So I think to one really want. Sure that whatever we do in g visors not abou- sort of a denying that path is just at a has a lot of responsibility. It has a lot of use cases is serving a lot of people even today. Now, given the situation as you know, as offering juniors may Renault a lot of sort of, you know, features as a consequence of complexity come into play now individuation Jeeves her is kind of a new approach video. We just call it a new approach it just one approach by. We think it's an interesting approach to see. Okay. So like from what we observe in from inside, Google, we build something like this for container Rysley are containers. It's somewhat working for us, and it's working for cloud products. Now. Now, let's see how would work in other cases, or in the world in general is sort of drain. There were just just started like last year when we will source, and so to your point I think we don't understand how the answer yet. But. But we're sort of excited to see how that's gonna turn Google has been working on a an open source operating system called fuchsia. What would be required to get g visor containers running on fuchsia? I probably don't have any data point to answer that question. Fortunately, my knowledge a few shows, very limited. So unfortunately, we won't be able to answer. There's only one thing has impulsive lick that could be interesting Juve eiser has its own networking stack. Which I didn't talk Neil working stack. Oso reddening go call net stack isn't it's separate repository. So not many people notice them. But if you go to the fuchsias website, they say they use that nece stuck and what kind of functionality does that networking stack include? It's basically a TCP IP stack in lit written in user space again, ridden and go so is the whole networking stack. That Lintas usually in any. Offering system kinda has. So let's take that as an example. So you've got this rewrite of the networking stack in lenox. It was originally written in c I presume and you've rewritten and go in that rewrite. Not only do you get the the memory improvements of of go, the memory, I guess, the the memory allocation based on the time type safety. I see. Okay. Mamer safe. No point in. You can't move the pointers. Yeah. Can you also find other optimizations or rearview textures to look at when you're doing a rewrite like that? Like how deeply are. You looking at are you or is it that point like, you know? Okay. It's lennox. It's battle-tested. Let's just try to rewrite. It basically porting from one language to another. There are a lot of details. I think it requires a lot of expertise of first of all understanding the Lennox kernel stack any any stack let's say networking stack. This very large portion right with Lata optimization. Those just rewriting is probably not way to frame, it is it's definitely a rewriting. But you do need that expertise of how what can be done word futures water. Why the code is structure as such. So I think porting is really easy to say. However in reality, it was more the, and I'm not, you know, I've been away from the the suffering. Engineer at were four like now since you brought them in just like five years. So I can't speak on behalf of them. However, we do improve nestak literally every day, we know through this feedback of g buzzer open source in our production cloud products. We get feedback. Like, hey, can we improve this? You know, we're a work, you know, for performance, and then we kinda embark on it. So it is still initiative going on in. I think it will continue why. Because Linda's Colonel will also keep improving, and I think that is a kind of, you know, interesting par when it comes down to. Okay. So it's not porting is like continuous like effort of improving the foundation of the computing on different fronts. Let's zoom back out. We've gotten quite deep into the weeds. Here containers themselves are not a sandbox. Explain why that is they're the most important fact is that continues interface with Colonel directly. Meaning that when there is a vulnerability inside Colonel. There is a possibility that attacker can exploit that and they break out a container by bypassing the mechanism or escalating the privilege. I gave this talk this morning, and is sort of a non intuitive. In fact, I'll be really honest like a couple of years ago. I also thought container was indeed and a strong isolation boundary. Couple of hours ago. I thought the same thing now two thousand sixteen summer the bow called dirty Cal came out. And that was a leveraging of the vulnerability the bug inside the copyright. So that's Collins. What was the name of the book the dirty Cal dirty cow? So it was exploiting the race condition in the memories of system of Colonel. And it was basically to raise in a by detached wrote with the Tykwer can exploit that bug than it was able to exclude a privilege and take over to route. So those are the kind of a case. You know, just one example of those kind of the one of the reasons that there is a possibility that process or attacker inside a container may be able to break through the large attack surface. That Lena's Colonel has how does gee visor insulate a container from Colonel space, so just repeating. But in cases, you is are like where container in host or you know, sitting next to each other. You've always will come into the middle with two years. I it will ensure septa system pulse, and then forwarded to the usual and Colonel again Ringo now in after that when this year's chronicle century wanted to get help from this. You know to get the hell from Liz Colonel then in between there is another layer, call set com ending space, which will set apart this century, and the host Colonel who slash crow that those are two layers isolation thou said, you know, make detach container and the Colonel sitting on hosts. There's these two terms century and set calm. I believe you used centuries the land Colonel and second com. SEC calls at Combe was calm. It's it was original secure computing mode. I think okay above or people, you know formula, this they call a sitcom or set sitcom be PF took it with a Berkeley packet filtering line, which I will make much more flexible to define the sitcom rules. So if I understand the model correctly your application in the visor world, your application is running in this user land virtual is Colonel this written and go and it's interfacing through century and set com upset call second call. Yes. Call com. Exactly cuting call secure computer, say second com that I've seen that in a movie. So you've got okay the user land Colonel. That's where your applications running in the virtual is go usual end Colonel it's communicating through century and sec comp and it's communicating with your hosts user space area, which is communicating with the kernel space. Okay. That's right. So now with that said, we can focus on the century in the sec cop area. What is going on in there? What you're talking about? Implementation. Will what is it doing? Oh, I see. Just higher level. I won't get an implementation. Okay. So I'll just typical livid. So in case of the traditional Canadian container to container were like, I said, he interface it host grennell. So basically, you can actually have more than three hundred system calls from the application to Colonel that you can hit their hundred more than three hundred hundred on us his immune system on calls. And then there's a system called for people who were just like a little unfamiliar. So when you want to open, a file rile is like your photos or something then you have open, and you have read in a win you want to write your tweezers of some kind of you know, that tweet is actually sent so. Yeah, you wanna do you onto Witter bodybuilder by the same name? But I didn't see you really. That's great. Okay. I'm not saying this person to her at all. So my call you're much more Lissa liberty. So okay, anyways. So, you know, there are bunch of sort of system. Like, oh, you know, we'd just with the file operation is open. Right. And those are the kind of type of system calls. Simple. Okay. Right. Sorry. So you've got a system call and then instead of just letting the application to hit this the three hundred sixty three hundreds of those system calls and also the other surfaces like slash proc file system as centra instead of a legal in case achieve visor incident. Led that happen by having the century emulating, the chrome behavior and then going through the sick on filter. Dissect on filter, actually, reduces the interface of the system call from the order of that hundred three hundred to mostly tens like like around fifty or sixty ish. Okay. It reduces signal. The reason that we can reduce this is because the century usually Colonel does a lot of work, and it only recourse, very limited number of system. Calls to win win win win the century knees health from you know, Lennox they will use this system. All interesting. That's how. How sort of a tax surface? So we just mentioned, you know, like, I mentioned that there are two layers, right? The two layers to. But when you just forget about that, they're two Lear's what is a fundamental difference three hundred ways of to actually attack. Colonel is a sixty fifty two sixteen. Now one thing I'm I'm I'm inferring from what you just said is that there are a lot of system calls in lenox. That are not that useful. It's very that's I think the challenging par rate. Like, again, the all comes back to the responsibility, the Lintas krummel house. He has wrong topple first of all he has Rwanda multiple device. Eight does Ron on multiple device in any kind of more foreign factor in once you actually have you know, a software. Let's let's just say like I don't want it to sort of mislead Lennox is sort of the only eight program when a program has run a multitude of buzzer. That's a big thing. Sure. Now after that once. Yeah. Cheek spanned the type of form pastors there a lot of -application. There are a lot of application for each applicant. Nation. We have system called different use cases unique kinda host or from host grunt or scrum or eight program, then you'll put up more gates, thus the tax surface has a naturally grow. What's an example of a a rare system esoteric system? Call do you know of any? I think I cannot come up with a one I think I don't have a imagine. Like if I've got if I'm running Lennox on like a smart flashlight or something maybe there's unique interfaces for battery or something, I don't know power management perhaps. Yeah. But for example, a is a little bit controversial to say. So, but when your program does not have to directly interact with the underlying devices like I all till is a very strong system. Call I o control. I all I all it came on the do a lot of things as far as the underlying kernel Duino module can do. So I. I won't want to believe that random us room program. You'll make said call all the time. However, if we say because the seniors we're going to get rid of it. It's going to be impossible because there are a lot of the admin programs. This still wrong needs still on the usually need a lot of support from those devices in the situation that is only way that you can communicate and get support. So this is this is a pretty brilliant design because you're using Berkeley packet filtering, which I assume is like super performance, right? I mean, this gives you security isolation. Probably with with very minimal latency increase. It allows you alternately to focus on only the security vulnerabilities that could be associated with ten system calls or twenty system balls. Whatever fifty I don't know. However, many you got it down to I think it changes, but a sixties probably the kind of the good number. To say, we I think we know public documentation were coming up. I think we're gonna call a sixty yen. How does that improve the life of because let's say like you're able to deploy this to the entirety of Google cloud, for example, and I'm a security researcher at the works at Google cloud. Why does this make my life easier security person inside group was inside inside Google? Yeah. And we'll we'll see all the applications across given domain that. I'm working on have now g visor standing in between the the user space and the and the Colonel how does that improve my life? I think one of the most important aspect of this is that it does not require any modification. So for example, there are just to be clear. This problem is not new at all those in the Lena's criminal world. We mentioned sitcom Comrie, that's exactly the way to filter. The system costs to build on its own sandbox is what widely us now on top of that. There are like SE Lennox and app. Former commander to access control system, thou will restrict what a process can which resource a process can access the challenge of these approaches is that it's very useful is definitely useful. And if you write the policy properly that is the most performance. Way of providing Sunit adding defense in depth in the context in the Colonel on your outta hand the challenges that how do you make to his policy, right? Who would define it hundreds of rules? And is it the provider side, or is it the user who have to maintain it? How do we make sure that's like, you know, it came very reviewed or even maintained? So the constant sort of a desire that we've been seeing. And now, we're seeing even the word cloud is that I think we understand the secures really important, but security people have to do a lot of things. This is just only we're talking about Sam Boston container. The half the thinkable authorized the authentication he management now working. There are a bunch of things security people have to think through as a consequence. There's really sorta causes as are to at least per container. Can we have something that we can just turn it on just turning on no changes application, no management policy? Just. Like a click of a button or the flippable flag. And then focus on other more important things. 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GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 168: Super Bowl 53 (2-1-2019)

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast

52:48 min | 1 year ago

GSMC Fantasy Football Podcast Episode 168: Super Bowl 53 (2-1-2019)

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And welcome to the GMC fantasy football podcast. Brought to you by Dr GMC podcast network. I'm your host Jeff often with his Mark Souza. It is Super Bowl fifty three coming up this Sunday. And there are some massive daily fantasy drafts coming up for that big game. I already have a lineup. I'll tell you mine in a little bit. And how you react to it. And I'll have also you react to it, my friend, but we will also be talking about every single position. There can be in the Super Bowl in. What can we expect from each team in? What what can we expect from these these if there's even an unexpected outcome? And this is the are we doing these showdown captain motor? What do we do? Yeah. Captain mode. It's that's the one I believe it's field. That's one for a million dollars for first place. So I'm assuming that's what everyone's going for. Well, I guess that's where we can start with. Let's start with that. So you're selecting captain. Who are you such a quarterback? Are you selecting running back or are you selecting rain before we jump into that which probably break down the game. Right. Like what kind of game? Do we expect to see? Do we what do we expect based on? I don't know performances by the patriots in the past in terms of who's on their team and who they played against. So let's break that down before we kind of jump into our YMCA. Do you think about that? Okay. Sure. Not a problem. Yes. So let's start right there. I mean, obviously, the patriots are three point favorite. We know that the Vegas line is fifty seven the over under. So they're expecting some points in this game, not crazy high. I think if we saw chice saints matchup or even a chiefs Rams, I think the the number might be higher there. Do you see high-scoring football game? I do I really do. So what is your prediction of the game? Not fantasy. Lose. Do you think's gonna win? What you think scores going to be? Well, I think it's gonna be a thirty eight to thirty five victory for the patriots thirty eight thirty five for the. Okay. So you do see a lot of points yet like seventy three total points, which would crush the over under. I have the Rams winning this football game. Thirty one twenty eight which would the over would hit slightly. So I think we both see this has spring game. I think it would be disappointing for wasn't high scoring game. You know fact, I love phone Apax. In all the Super Bowls at Tom Brady and Bill Bill chick have played or coached in. The patriots have scored only three points in the first quarter of all of them combined. Isn't that interest? That is actually very interesting. What's what the slow starts with the patriots? It's it doesn't matter. How you started? How you finish. Right. Comes to the Super Bowl. I mean. Yeah. Obviously the patriots are looking to finish better this year than they did last year. They did lose. That's true. But yeah, I kind of do expect a little bit more offense think we'll see more scoring early in this game as well. I can't remember the number that the patriots have given up. They usually don't give to two points in the first quarter. Anyways. Also, no. That the patriots always play these games close all the Superbowls that these two guys again the Brady Bill chick era. They've all been decided by eight point zero bless few of them has been decided by even lower than that field goals and things like that. So. We both predict another competitive game. Maybe a both teams to play. Well. For the Rams, do you think they score because you have the Rams scoring thirty five points. Do you think the bulk of that comes from the passing game the running game? How do you kind of see that being divided? I think it's mainly a running game. But I can see some short passes in the red zone like in Libya. Nobody think getting to the to that red zone. I think it's gonna be a lot of running the ball. So you think most of the touchdowns because you have them scoring five touchdown. So you'd say three or four on the ground by right one or two. Team touchdown defense than weird. Maybe but I do see like C J Anderson Todd Gurley both getting touchdowns this game. Okay. Kind of like the Dallas game where they both. Yeah. Had good games. Now for the patriots offense of speaking. They've been running the ball quite a bit. They've used Michelle. They've used Rachelle has had had five touchdowns last two games expert kit to touch general to touch on the ground last game in the championship, including the winner. He had a couple to are. We expecting more of the same from the patriots. Are we may be expecting a more vintage type Tom James white good in the ball a lot in the passing game or the running game passing game? Mainly I think it's gonna be a lot of short passes to James Wight. Bread and butter, and maybe more of a vintage type of patriots row the ball more than relaxed because of that defense, align. It depends line is better than that secondary. Secondary is good. Don't get me wrong. But that defense align is scary. Aaron John is a scary scary, man. Have you seen have you seen the picture of him? With no shirt on. I have not. People were saying he looks like Thanasis from a vendor's because he's so huge. That's terrifying. That makes that makes them more terrifying. I don't know if I've ever seen a defensive lineman that ripped like he is not usually they have a layer of fat over them. Not him. He is terrifying. Yeah. If you met him if you met him in a dark alley would run. Yeah. That wouldn't be good. Now, I want to talk about I guess that pass rusher a little bit go for it. Because the Rams have such a fearful pass rush does sway you from playing Tom Brady and a fantasy football. And because you think maybe he'll have to get the ball out quick. Maybe again, they run the ball more in the end zone. They don't have a lot of long touchdown passes. Is that come into play? Definitely I think it's a big factor in that where you look at just their different. He's is totally different than what they're used to. This is a very different team a very different type of strength. You know, what I mean, just their they they've they've stopped they stopped to Chea. My god. He just showed me a picture just show me a picture of Aaron Donald. And he does look like Thanos if he was human. Here's another picture in the gym. How can you not be afraid of that, man? That's why I'm saying this offense line of the patriot wonder he tosses often. So I'm in around like, they're not even they're the one that has he'll head toward twenty six season. And why this is what I'm saying that if I'm patriots lineman. I'm like I hope to God on the line up with them. But you're good in. It's tough. How about the aspect of brain and cooks playing against his former team fantasy wise. Does that make you little shy about adding Brennan cooks? Sure lineup or do you actually think you want him in your line because I don't know revenge game. Or maybe he knows the defenders just as well as they know him. What what is your take on that Brennan cooked is a gamble for me space? The fact like you said that defense knows him. And he's I think he's tried to hard to prove them wrong type thing, and my I don't think he's gonna get a lot of the looks to me honest with you. The Rams like to spread it out. They also like to use the same personnel pretty much the entire game. But we also know they run the ball down your throat, but do they run the ball more than the patriots will? I believe so. Because of the fact that that short passing game death by million paper cuts is going to be there key to winning. It always has been always will be. All right. How about Robert woods in this game? Now, we talked about Brandin cooks you like him in this game. I do like him in this game. Like him a lot in this game. I like Robert woods a lot. And I'll tell you. Why not only you see good? Receiver of very good receiver. But he's a well rounded football player. He is super good in the blocking game. And I think that he's kind of these wis army knife for that offense. And because he's so good at different things and he can be used in rounds. He can be used blocking. I think that it gives them the ability to get open a lot because defenses. Don't know how to read him when it comes off the scrimmage. He's usually close to the tight end. He's usually close to the quarterback. He's never split out wide. And it makes it difficult to cover a guy like that. Because he can go inside outside short long. I do I commend this game on our football podcast. And if you guys haven't checked that out, please check out just the football podcast on the GMC podcast network. I did predict him to get VP. And I I don't know. I know that might be a little bit of a left field call there. It's hard to for my mind was also field. It's hard. It's hard to give a wide receiver VP, especially one. That's not a legend. Because rubber woods is not a legendary players that really good player. But I don't know, man. There's something about this game. I just feel like rubber would see also played for the bills for number years. You know, this is also what is fantasy football stereotype where year the feeling guy. I got the feeling that. This guy's gonna have a good game. You know, I think everyone has a feeling someone's gonna have a good game here. They're like the unexpected outcomes. And I get that. Absolutely. And he played with the bills. He's played against the patriots more times than probably anyone else on that on the Rams team. You can arguably say, and so that will be a big factor. But I do have to say that my MVP choice. Well, I chose on the flow podcast Swanee, Michelle. But I have been thinking about it since that podcast, and like, it would be between my opinion, it's going to be one of the running backs, and that could be also James white, and that is actually one of the problems I have with my draft with my trash it. My daily fantasy is the captain mode. Do I my two options in my head goes telling you Michelle or do I go with James white? Or do you go rexburg kid? That's the problem with the patriots backfilled all the time is that they can both have a good game. Or all three of them can have a good game. In fact, last we are last match up on in the AFC championship game expert kit up two touchdowns. Rexburg kit was a good fantasy performer, very cheap price. J always have different guys showing up at different games. They never have. They never have. That's why I'm saying. So shows had good games and Rex work and maybe James whites do for a good James Whitehead, arguably an MVP Super Bowl, VI were okay. Let's be honest heat that was will be kinda got screwed. Yeah. If it wasn't for Brady even Brady said he gone. She get it. He scored twenty of their thirty four point. Yeah, he had like two hundred total yards in that game. Two or three touch. I'm sorry. Who is who retouched downs? Anna two-point conversion decides will VP. We should fire. A fan vote is whoever did it was wrong. And then we both agree on that. It should not just be a quarterback but award. I'm sorry. There's more than the quarterback that can be MVP which is funny because neither one of us picked a quarterback to win the MVP, which is kinda dumb like one of us. Probably should. That's just go with the not obvious choices. Let's go. See we can have unusual pick. You know, like, not not not not. Oh, that's obvious. You're you doing a podcast high pick. Right. Demings when I said, yes, okay. Yes. Yes. Yes. So yes. What about the patriots sided things, Jillian? It'll men. He's got a tough assignment being guarded by a keep ta- lead. Keep till was somebody's very familiar. Join ataman. He's very physical defensive bear has been trash talking on one end of that for sure. Is this a match up that you'd think it keeps might get the upper hand or do you still think elemental have a good game? Impassively be a great performer on Sunday say Elon get to lease fifteen throws to him. I think he gets seventy catches. But I don't I'm not gonna say he's good. We'll see you till the lineup on him and shadow him one on one I probably in a couple of plays. I just hope they go to tone than they're in trouble. I no one's to go off on them. Because Brady knows how to tear up zone defense. So I think man to man is probably the way to go against the Brady team. And but I still think at Alinsky get the ball out. But I don't think it's gonna be like a hundred sixty yards to touch it'd be like seven catches for fifty yards and just be crucial catches for first downs. You know, what if the defense can flood zone only rush three or four players at Brady and get pressure and then put seven or eight guys zone. Would that be like, I know what you're saying? What if though I know you're seeing this zone, you'd think that is probably not the best of I've just seen it. Over and over again that Brady tears that apart. Brady knows what when to throw because he loves those short passes in the zone. Like he like short passes are perfect resume defense. Because they're just quake inaccurate. And they get first downs. That's what Brady loves to do. So if you push those guys off on the in the front right off the bat in man-to-man. Maybe he doesn't do those free passes right away. My question facing daily fantasy owners on Sunday. And I think we can both agree on this. The biggest question is the Todd Gurley conundrum. I that's the biggest question because he has the ability to be. An MVP of this game. He has ability to get two hundred yards rushing on his best day. Like, we all know that he can go off. But we also know that he is probably hurt. He hasn't been the same guy over the last six weeks. He was before. And. You have to kind of wrestle with that as a fantasy football daily fantasy football player this weekend ammo, aren't I going to play Todd Gurley in if I do my captain because we know that is a big commitment. And yes that is a risk. But the reward is great. If it works out, I'm playing him. But I'm not making my captain. There's too many questions it saved a play plan not safe enough to put him my captain. It's just too much risk for me. There's too many question marks. And I don't like question marks. I don't like the Riddler from Batman. Do you get any question you like playing that type of daily fantasy? Not really to be honest with you. But I mean, I understand why it's thing makes sense. Because if you have a guy that gays gives you all the points, you like men, I wish other people would have came up big time for me, and then he can make up for those kind of points. I get that the showdown mode. Yeah. Makes sense. And it's appropriate for a Super Bowl. Yeah. It makes a lot of sense. Just because I mean like you said like there's only one game. Do you know who the highest price players for the captain? I think you'll be it's I think it was James white if I'm Julie enemy in. That's right, James. Why was up there? Dana away from that, Jillian James Wight. There's no way on paying for joy nettle. It'd be my captain and take thirty. I don't have him on my team. Spoiler alert. Yeah. I don't like that at all. Things better value there to be quite honest with you. But yeah. So what is your take about girly? I know you said you'll play them. What kind of game? Do we expect from growing? Do we even think that he's gonna get majority of the touches in that backfield? What's your take? It's a tough question to be honest with you. Cash. See, I don't know. That's the thing. This is such a this is the biggest question going into the game. I feel like or one of the biggest questions at least these we just don't know the ramifications. We don't know how he's what's going on. This were kept in the dark about this. They can say all they want. But we really don't know. Of course, he's going to say, I'm healthy. Do you think? C J Anderson will play a big part in this game. I do I think he'll get a lot of the carries as well. All right. So if if there was twenty seven carries how many does girly getting how many to CJ get seventeen for girly ten for really? So what more if but the thing is I think two weeks is enough to heal early. But I don't think they're gonna have him do thirty carries. But are you concerned because last game only six touches the whole game. Yes. But it's like I said it's a two week period of resting. I think he's gonna be okay. And it's the Super Bowl. So I think it's going to push them. No matter what type of thing. It's the Catalina wine mixer. Nice stepbrothers reference. From two thousand eight. That is such a good movie. He believes those eleven years ago. I love the music video in that that movie, oh where they break the boat this vote. I know I don't know about you. But I can recite most of the lyrics of that song. And they're not appropriate for this. You're not don't I know. I know some lyrics, and I already know a lot of it. It's a lot of slurs. So please don't repeat that as hick, please don't repeat that begging. Yup. Can you say I can't say don't repeat that don't speak. Sing the song. Right now. Gotta have beaten everyone. Anyway. Sorry, dude. We get a break. And when we come back. We'll talk about. We're going to give our three players each that. We're absolutely starting. We might change our awareness. I know about you. But I'm a big lineup. I changed it to tinker. It. 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And we're going to move on. That is a service that I provide stop talking moving on. I guess, you know, I could do this is not into stop stop stop while you're at this is not all right? Let's talk fantasy football and about fantasy football. We got look at our lineups are very key lineups. Or do you wanna talk about unexpected surprises? Or you wanna do that last up to you? We gotta do three absolute starts. And then let's talk about some off the radar moves that were interested in that might give us the leg up on our opponents. But we're talking about the three players that if you don't have in your lineup. You don't expect to win the million dollars or whatever contest you're playing in this weekend. Go ahead. I think this is obvious Tom Brady. Okay. But then you're count your counting on some touchdown passes. Like, you probably need two or three if you're play this short, but he loves short touchdown. You're not you're not picking them for a short passes your picnic for six for six points. Short passes that get in the end zone, though. Short passes will agree. I agree. I actually think I've might pick off really I've had doubts about him. He was in my life changed recently. Well, so neither one of these two are in my top three there absolutes because I because there are so close in price. I'm gonna take one of them. But I might switch him. Like, I don't know. I've been debating that. But I've been I've been leaning towards more Brady than golf because golf is giving me more doubts than radios. I am definitely putting Robert woods as my absolute start. I can't say that he my my on him. I mean, if I think that he has a chance of winning P and he's like the eighth highest price player. He has to be my number one. I don't know if I'm making my captain. But I think I'll definitely have them as one of my three I have to have them in my line of place. Well, my other one is my MVP also choices Sony Michelle five touchdowns last two games. It just feels like the mementos gonna keep carrying. Likes Michelle lot. He is impressed me this entire season. Yeah. You know over one hundred yards in last two games in five touchdowns total that's progress that showing that he can get the they might run the bowl. But all depends on that line too. What about James white? He is. He's third. James, roy? So you're going heavy you're going all patriots offense. I am. Are you worried about show because of that ram? The Rams have been real stingy against running back especially running running backs like the guys that run inside. But that that offense line is also excellent in elite as well. That's why I'm saying this is going to be a battle. But that's one most going James wipe. He's great receiving guy. I have why as my number two because I think the patriots will have trouble running the football. And I think because of that white will be on the field more. And if I had to add like another if I had a ramp layer on there, I might have to go with Todd Gurley. Just play it safe just on the basis that regardless I think he's getting the ball lot. He is a risk last week or are two weeks ago. Four carries. He had sixteen the week before you had twelve the week before. But the thing is what gives me the most what Todd Gurley is. He's too weak rest. That's a long time. And the he may end it's also the Super Bowl. This is not just a regular playoff game. This is this is it. This is the grandad early is in these in yours. He's one of my top three because I said if I had to pick a Rams player, I would put him in over a problem. They'll be popular. But I don't think I think there will be some worry about Todd Gurley. So I think he won't be all the lineups where he probably would be in everyone all these out in there. So I'm going to hope that girly has a big game. And that thirty forty percent of lineup still have them in there. I don't know if it'll be that high, but it could be. That is a high number for the best player on their team. Arguably run the off on the offense Asya. No it is. It is. But the doubt doubt he had eight fantasy points us game. Yeah. But against won't time. But I don't know if that was I don't know what the problems were. I don't know how we don't know the sentences injury. But it's the Super Bowl from assuming he's good to get more time on the field than not. Because again this Super Bowl is it's I it's the Super Bowl. It's super. So. Those are my three. So again, you have Brady Michelle woods white early. I'm just so if he on the quarterback I do Brady, but I could easily go Goff. See I trust. I it's it's the classic Brady more. But I think Goth has higher upside like they crew throwing more, but I'm gonna say like this. I'm going to go with the devil. I know than the devil. I don't know. And I know Brady, and you know, the devil went down Georgia, which is interesting what the devil in Georgia that that song that's a song. Classic. And where's the Super Bowl in Atlanta? Yeah. But the thing is like how I said it I'll go with the devil. Tom Brady was I know what he how he does in the Super Bowl compared to the guy. I don't know who's been struggling the playoffs as labor big Nick foles. Or Patrick Mahomes. For even drew Brees. Wow. There's a lot of quarterbacks so much better than Jared Goff that could have been in the Super Bowl of your three must starts which one. Are you worried about the most Michelle? I know I said he'd be my attention MVP. But Aaron Donald versus Michelle is my Ori, obviously mine I'm worried about girly the most just because I feel like he could have a game like head against the saints. And then that would crush my team or he had a game like he did in the divisional round. Yeah. And just go even if I mean, honestly for being honest, though, if he has a divisional round and probably not gonna win any money. I need him to have a big game because you're captain, even if he's not CJ interest in was the back that got the most points in divisional round and in in the game. So C, J Anderson outperforms girly, no matter if girlies my captain or not, and if I don't have CJ my lineup is probably bad news for me because I don't have a piece of China. What's that? I'm saying how much is C J Anderson. Well girly is thirteen fifty two hundred really. Which side is that that is draftkings fifty two. I'm looking at seventy eight really. Yeah. I see my fifty two. I don't know if it's. I'm showing proof is that the that's the captain mode. Okay. Maybe this is the captain price than looking at. Yes, it is. Oh, captain, those are two different things. So, yeah, it's the same thing Julianne, and like you said, captain sixteen thousand I don't think that's actual price. And when Brian Hoyer the backup quarterback for the patriots is nine thousand dollars. Would you rather have? I mean, obviously, I know your answer beat rather have the patriots filled in the Rams back field if 'cause you like both of them. I love both of them white Michelle over CJ girly. Yeah. My pig all three renting bags for the patriots. We clearly honest with you. But I don't think I'll do that or kid. I'm thinking about birkhead, but also Gus cow Cousy go with the kicker kicker brings in points in these games. Gus cow ski. Yeah. Or even as their line. What about defense? See icing if this is a high scoring game. So I don't wanna risk. You're looking for big plays. Exactly put the kickers can bring in a lot of points of this turn to defensive struggle. Oh, exerience you legs her lying Burke headers Irwin who. Do you go for? If you have if you have if you have like what I have at the moment, I can change at any time I want, but I have right now Michelle and James white too. I go with Burke air, go your line. That's the question. I goes airline. Yeah. That's that's why been mainly leaning towards as well. I have I basically done three Rams in three patriots. That's how I did. My lineup even did out because I think is probably the best that don't go full on one team. Gotcha. Gotcha. I think we should take a break. And we come back. We'll talk about off the radar type plays. Maybe some moves. I have a couple players. I am very interested in. I think that they could have good games in that really low prices. We'll talk about that before we get into that though. I wanna talk to you about investing and planning for your retirement. It's always best advice from the experts bestselling author. Harry dent, America's number one. Communist says the dark window is open. There's an opportunity Rapley Busey retirement savings before the greatest doc market crash in American history. 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Backslash M E Dadge podcast. Don't forget to leg. Among facebook. Could follow them on Twitter? Visit GS see podcasts dot com for more info. Welcome back to the GMC fantasy football podcast. We talked about our must starts now. Let's go with are not so much starts that makes. Sure. Okay. So you wanted to go different route. Okay. So where we going? Who are you not starting up? Sorry are unlikely start sorry. I said that I never said I wanted to talk off the radar type dad's. What I meant to say. I swear to that. Gotcha. I'll go first I really like tied injured Everett for the Rams in this game. Because look the patriots are not good against tight ends. They did an admirable job against Travis Kelsey last week, but he did still score. But the fact is we're looking at a guy drilled Everett that he he could get the ball four or five targets thrown his way, he's super cheap salaries only two thousand. I mean, he's going to be on the field like ninety nine percent of the plays. And to get somebody on the field and offense like that. He'll be on the field all the time. It could be a decent play. Yeah. So it's hard to think about this. But you know. See I'm in I'm in a minute buying here because this is such a crucial game. And there's only a few players really look at and you don't even know if they're going to get like some time on the in the game or not you know, what I mean. But you know, thinking of. Remind me again, who you said Gerald Everett tied the Rams, you know, I said this last week, but I might either go I'm stuck between the New England players again, by the way, but Philip door setting Chris HOGAN. And I think it would lean more towards Chris HOGAN because Brady gives him the ball in crucial times like we saw last week. And honestly, I know he's cheap. And I know he's not gonna he's probably not gonna get a lot of touches. But he might get some crucial touches a might give you some points might get you over the hump. Yeah. I've always liked Chris HOGAN to Verschueren. I I like Phil slightly more. But I'm not big fans of either one. I I don't know. But of course, this is the under the radar ask not supposed to be the obvious. But I gotta ask you how about we break this down. Which patriots receiver things things the best game. Is it Allman? Is it grunk? Do you think wrong Kansas game of the non non running back receivers the pass catchers? Yes, i'm. Is go to guys why I'm considering him. But I think they're gonna rely a lot more on the shorter passing the running backs more than the actual receivers. Gotcha. Just how I see it. At least. Yeah. I don't know. I kind of feel like Dorset my be the one of the two between him and Cogan that might have the big play. A couple years ago and had that balance catch type of thing. What about Rex Burkhead though, man? You know, it's one of those things I see it as more along lines of their good to be there's going to be different games where people are going to be good. And like I'm saying like there was Michelle's game than it was burkhead's great game mail stew for somebody else to have a great game. You know, it's never the same purchase last game had sixteen touches he had five the game before he had six game before he had seventeen the game before that he's had at least nine fantasy points in four straight games. He could be an interesting play such a cheap price forty eight hundred. Yeah. Because he might get you a touchdown. Like, you might just run the ball in the end zone. Like he did last the game the champion via to. Obviously. I'd probably rather have C J Anderson them kid because they're about the same price. I would too. But it is interesting. It's tough like, but I think there's a lot of inconsistency with how hot players get. So I always think that somebody else that is next line for a breakout game. What do you think about gronk? You know, he had a good game last week. But gin this season's been very poor for him. And I just don't six thousand price seems too much. Honestly, I know it's a live and targets last week though. That's a big number. But the thing is they put them one on one. They were taking advantage of a one on one opportunity. I don't think they're gonna have him go one this game. Yeah. I really like Josh Reynolds. I'll be honest with you. Josh Reynolds has at least seven targets in five of his last eight games. If you get seven targets that's pretty good fifty four hundred price tag. I like that could be interesting there for such a cheap price. What do you think about Josh Reynolds? I like him. But I don't think he's gonna get a lot of touches. I don't think it's good. A lot of. Attempts passes to him. I think he's going to be like a second or third option type guy. Don't think he's gonna be able to get the ball lot due to that. I don't think he's gonna be a first guy in any of the plays. They run. And golf likes to go to his first option more times than not. Yeah. So yeah, I don't really have any other one shop plays. I mean, obviously, there's only there's only a handful not even a handful of players. But if you got to pick one of these defense's to have the most points of the two who would you pick? Would it be the pass rush of the Rams causing problems? Or would it be the inexperience Jared Goff against the patriots defense? What is more trust? What do you trust trust that defensive line more? I Erin Donald over Jared Goff is basically what I'm saying. Just a monster. We saw him. He's thanos. He's basically Thanos in human skin. Are you worried about Jared goff's first time playing in the Super Bowl? In my what are you worried about a worry? I've been worried this whole this whole plans because he's humor eat less knowing that you weigh one against breeding his first round. And also Nick foles is first time last year. He killed it. But they were having good postseason performances before then he has not had good postseason performances for them. Before. Then is what I'm saying. I don't know, man. I think that the passing will be disrupted. I think the patriots passing you'll be a little bit disrupted. I just here in Donald and the Dunkin Suman on their best day. Good luck. And as good as a patriots have been only eleven percent of the time as Brady VIN pressured on drawbacks of this postseason, which is incredibly low. Something just tells me they're going to have to throw the ball. Little bit more. The Rams are going to rush the passer a little bit more pin those ears back and get to Brady fluster little bit. We know that when you get to him. You can't move away. You know, he's really good at getting rid of the ball. But when he doesn't he's a sitting deck back there. Yeah. And sitting duck is perfect term. Yeah. So let's go back. I mean, obviously, we've given our picks for the for the players what we think will happen. Going in the next season is Jared Goff top five quarterback in fantasy drafts. Top five overall pick. But top five quarterback picked in next year season-long fantasy. Well, I'm actually kind of glad you is. Because I had the leaders for points this season. He's up there finished. But yeah. But he was before the end of the season he was like in the top three or four before the last couple of weeks because he kisses the Ray Lucia from week warning to seventeen he's number eight in front of him or Mahomes. Ryan Rothlisberger Watson locking girly in Rogers girly. Sorry. That's this is all points in total points. Gotcha girlies the most points running back. Why this when it comes down to quarterbacks? He's behind the homes Ryan to still you. How good Gurley was this year? He was better than REEs in points golf was better than Brees in points by seven. That's incredible to me. So do you think Goff is top five? Next year. Top-five quarterback selected. Yes. Who would you pick ahead of him breeze Mahomes for sure luck, probably Rogers to would you go Rogers? I'm having doubts. I don't know. He's a new coach new scheme everything. I don't know. Isn't that crazy because he had struggled is not? I'm not saying you're wrong. I know easy. It's take a setback for him. And be like am. I actually thinking Aaron Rodgers the top five fantasy quarterback. Right. This is the first time. It's happened in about a decade. Yep. Sounds accurate. But let's see my five Mahomes. Sure. I'm gonna go home the number one. Right. Yeah. Breeze. Guess Andrew luck. I would even put the Watson up there could even put my Ryan to. Yards Ryan, but I might have to put Roth this up there because they lost Bill. What about Russell Wilson? He's not my tough. I've really. Yeah. But the thing is in the rankings. He's below Goff. Breeze Rogers, everybody. Right. Right. Right. So I I'm honestly go with Wilson as tremendous upside, though, his receiving core is is is key to me thing. The thing about Wilson's that. He didn't run that much this year where he got. He's also a problem when he runs I mean when he gets five hundred yards season on the ground. That's literally like fifty. That's why like Tron Watson above him because he's so good on the ground and he has to Hopkins to throw to catch anything. That's why he's my in my top five in Luxembourg tough. I've him in Hilton or getting down to it. And he's just looks plain awesome. Since the colts. Are they're always going to be a passing team always gonna be passing tea with Andrew and Frank Wright has been doing a great job doing that. Taking advantage of throwing him in luck. Come I player of the year my mind, I don't think there's any. Thought girly the number one pick next year's fantasy football drafts. I can in some I can see in some. But if you earn the he's been playing with a torn insert ligament here, not called an ACL and that he needs off season surgeries. He's still the number one pick. They say he's backed by OTA's, and yes, if it's ACO every other league the knees like three to four month injuries. So and I he'll be back by the into all putting on tornado. You can't walk. He he's he's definitely a I at least either him at Barclay are going first that's how I'm seeing this. I can see even Christian McCaffrey going I, but I might have Barclay. I would pick Barclay above girly in my opinion. It's tough. It's a tough call. But. But Barclays just been that top gyn New York for for the time being so I might have to go Barkley over girly. But it's definitely having the first pick this next season's you could have a tough decision at you. Because Elliott Barclay I really Bill even though he missed season, Christian, McCaffrey. You gotta think about I would take. I I would I would see him getting I over I'll pick don't see Chris McCaffrey might be going number one or two I'm going to say absolutely not just because I don't think Cam Nunes gonna play. He doesn't have that. I see him doesn't play. I don't want anything to do office. Tell you afterwards in noon returns. Well, we'll look look we don't know about season after words, but if you're if an offense even if they lose like four or five points per game in real football. Then that means your fantasy running back is probably going to suffer the consequences. But when they run the football more in theory, they might run the football or more. But you went McCaffrey catching the football true. He is he was dangerous on both ends to you can't take away his running ability. But understand his passing game is what made him so strong you want an offense. So were there. There's a threat of pass because you don't want nine guys following Christian McCaffrey. All right. Do you have them as your second running back? Maybe I as of right now as of today, I would not pick McCaffrey in the top five. Okay. Just can't moons taking because he's to be the quarterback. We don't know. So here's the thing. I like to eliminate risk with my first pick. I completely agree. I'll see some people didn't decide that with this. But so in my opinion. Ian. These are the players I for sure over McCaffrey, no questions asked even if Cam Newton was healthy. I would still take these players him Berkeley Elliott girly. And then after that like for for sure those three for sure what about Kamera I'd seriously consider compare, especially. That's who you're thinking about because Ingram might be gone. He's a free agent, which I expect him to be gone. So if that's true definitely Ingram over over over McCaffrey. Top rang with the most points the top three number one was girly number to Berkeley and number three was actually caffeine. Then it was Kamera Elliott just putting that out there. Would you even consider James Connor over McCaffrey of Kim? Six him gone say it again, which James Connor over Christian McCaffrey due to came new NUP. Yeah. I mean, you know, we're projecting right now. So if we're done then. Yeah, I put Connor and we're also suing. It sounds like to me is almost gone conclusion that came to it's not playing next season. So again, not we're taking this against Kathy. We're taking against what he has like who's going to be as quarterback to throw him the ball and make amazing plays. It's going to be a very interesting for the Panthers. And if they get a quarterback in the offseason that we think like to like Ryan Fitzpatrick, maybe I would maybe cafe goes up. We know Patrick and put points. Yeah. For sure not crazy. Yeah. I agree with that. I agree. One hundred percent. Yeah. We don't know. Like what if a guy like Josh mccown became available and was the quarterback? I'm comfortable picking up McCaffrey. Just because I know that the quarterback catchy throw the. Football. Like, right. He might not be Cam Newton. But hey, wasn't Cam Newton this here either. Absolutely not. But if it was a Josh mccown, I would still be hesitant still to buy if it's like a Bridgewater. I feel like Bridgewater take those instead of going the short route or short passes. He would run the ball doesn't feel like that. Or do you think is knee would make him pass more think I a pass? Yeah. That's a tricky. I don't think he he's a li- like him noon. But I think he, you know, that's that's a judgment call right here. That's a tough call. So let's wrap up the show. Again, you think the patriots will win thirty eight thirty five. I got the Rams thirty one twenty eight. I think a big a game. Goodwill. Everybody out there everyone treats, the right, captain or you're screwed but more. It's we'll have a good time. With who you're hanging out with have a good time. 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Ep. 10: Femtorship with Lucha Arevalo & Jovita Murillo Leon

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Ep. 10: Femtorship with Lucha Arevalo & Jovita Murillo Leon

"Hello and welcome to the podcast bringing you conversations about Race Gender Sexuality Reproductive Justice and so much more I am Dr Renee. Lima's gender pronounce. She her I am Dr Christina Rose Gender Pronouns. She her hers in this podcast. We are going to share space with women and other people of Color to discuss ways to dismantle all systems of oppression including white supremacist. Capitalistic Patriarchy we imagine ourselves sitting at the table hourly does house sharing a pot officials neue and chasing that with a shot of La all well thinking of revolutionary ideas. That's the sentiment hope to bring you and we invite you to join us on this journey. Being hello and welcome to the PODCAST. So this is our tenth episode. And it has been a while I'm Christina and I have both been wrapping up our semester and as always that can get a little tricky as we're finalizing grades and whatnot And also Christina spent some time in Paris Presenting at a conference on our semi as well as book project in. So if you follow follow us on instagram. I'm sure you saw that She had a really wonderful experience and it was really exciting for us to see our work. Go before US right Internationally and even if all of us can be there those really great to have Christina representatives. So that's been really exciting Other updates you know we've we've kind of got a little bit going on here Although were really trying to take easy for the summer you know as academics our fall and spring semesters are often so intense that were just a little burnt out in need of rest. So we're really trying to honor that for ourselves but we do have some episodes That we're still trying to get out through the summer so you'll still be hearing From us through the summer Another thing that we. We've been really getting some amazing feedback. It's really interesting. I think were both shocked by you. The amount of responses that we get you know people actually interacting with us and talking with us You know we recently had An article in voyage. La Magazine so they interviewed us and they published that Article Online. You can see that in in the Lincoln violent instagram. And so we're kind of getting this exposure in a different way that we haven't been used to in and of course with that comes feedback you know all across the spectrum and And we want to let everybody know that we definitely listened to your feedback and we hear and we. We want to engage with our community and we want to engage with our listeners. And be able to have open dialogues and so but one thing that we want to remind. Our listeners is that even though As academics we we speak from a highly engaged perspective. We've done a lot of research. We've done a lot of reading And you know we're pretty well versed on our topics but by no means. Does that mean that we know everything by no means in any way shape or form right? There's still so much for us to learn and so we always encourage people you know our listeners especially to practice critical media literacy. And that's actually what my my graduate work was about you know. My dissertation was about Critical Media Literacy and really all that means is to engage with anything that we listened to that. We've read in a critical way Regardless of how much we love one who who were reading or what we're reading you know to always have a critical eye on that we really encouraged Not Let any one source be the end all be all of Information. Right even as academics. There's definitely scholars that we lean on a lot. You know for us. Gloria on is Is essential scholar in in our work And yet at the same time know we can still be critical of that work and of her work And you know and we're not just going to look at her work we're GONNA look at a broad scope of scholarship On any one topic in particular and so we're always we want to encourage our listeners to do the same to to look at multiple sources to be critical when necessary and then to come to your own conclusions based on a holistic perspective. So we just want to really make that clear So to be fully transparent we We got one particular feedback Where they were just concerned about one particular person that we were highlighting their work and And although we totally that feedback we also want to make sure that we're doing our own due diligence about that before we kind of call anyone person out and so But in the meantime we again just encourage everybody to make sure that they're doing their own. You Know Research on anybody that we highlight right I know that we are a trusted source. And we do try to do as much research as we can. You know when we highlight somebody but again we we don't know everything And so we're just doing our best and Yeah again all we can encourage is be am to yet to be engaging in critical media literacy as much as you can as much as we all are so Anyway you know we can maybe get more into that at another time. But this is our tenth episode and you know when we started this Back in I think November or so. I don't know what we envisioned but here. We are at our tenth episode. And it's really exciting. And so we kind of want it this episode to be sort of celebratory and kind of like an anniversary episode rights and in that spirit we wanted to sort of come full circle back to our first episode where we shared our journeys in academia And this I think is so fitting that this episode is coming out now because we are in graduation season right so an instrument watching so many people post there either. Page Steve Graduations were masters graduations or even bachelor's graduations even like our kids kindergarten graduations and like just all this different stuff and it's such a beautiful time. I think to see celebration around these events and so being able to watch people walk. That stage is so powerful and so in this episode we interview too amazing fellow academics Lucia arrival and Hobie them. What Y'All Leon? They're both doing such amazing work. And in this interview. Drop some amazing gems of knowledge on our conversation The conversation was so great that we are actually going to be breaking it up over. Two episodes I didn't want to break up the flow of our conversation and I think we all just had so much to say. And so yeah. We're GONNA do that into episodes so in this first half of the conversation for this episode. We talk with these women. We talk about how these women got to the places. They are now in terms of their academic journeys so Ho- Vita is Integrated Program and Luca actually As of today that I'm recording this. She has defended her dissertation and she walked across age. And she has now Dr Luta out of Lonzo. Congratulations to her. That is so amazing. During the time of the interview she was still kind of finishing up so I just wanted to shout out to her. Congratulations so anyway. In the in this part of the conversation we talk a lot about mentorship and actually Lucho uses this word called FEM tour ship and we all just blown away by that term and and really just recognizing the importance of sharing our experiences with others To help each other out right. And especially because of the lack of Latina's and people of Color in higher education so the statistic is less than one percent of PhD's Latina's okay so less than one percents not even a percentage and I and I kind of mentioned that inner interview but knowing that it's really important you know for those of us who are able to reach that point to be able to then go back you know into into our communities and be those FEM tours ray. Lucia would say MB Those beacons of hope and be that source of information of inspiration of motivation to help others. You know either. Walk that same path or walk. Whatever path that they're meant to be on like mentorship is so so important particularly for marginalized communities? So we speak to that in a lot of different ways. And I think that that's a really powerful conversation We also talk about our intentions in academia right. I think it's interesting to think about the different reasons why people go into academia and my people go into higher education and I think for you know for us we for Christina. I'm but in this conversation Lucianne Hobie as well. We're so grounded in our communities and so grounded in the needs of our communities. That's that's where our academic work stems from right. It's not just research for the sake of research but it's really grounded in The work that we want to do in our communities and really wanting to to help out our people to help out our communities in all their forms rate and particularly for Lucia and he'll vita you know they work in education public policy and in public health and and so being able to be in academia. But you know eventually the purpose of that being able to bring all that information back into the communities to be able to help out the community so Just you know sort of talking about what our intentions and Atkinson is. I think that that was such a beautiful part of the conversation You know all in all this is such a great conversation with these women. I can just sort of even listening back to it. And hearing their words and hearing their their genuineness. If that's a word you know then them just being truly vulnerable with where they're at in their journeys and how far they've come and And the struggles that they've they've overcome you know and then how they feel about You know talking about about that experience and what message they WANNA put out there. So it's a great conversation and we're really excited for you ought to be able to to meet these two women and to get the get to know these two women and just realize Again how how other Latinos are doing such great work I also just want to give you a quick heads up so again. This is going to be broken over two over two episodes and then forthcoming also did an amazing interview with chicken. Mother works of. You're not familiar with who they are. Police go check them out. They just had a book published. It's an anthology of stories about motherhood and particularly being she says are being women of color and it's such a great book and they are just you know it's Kinda like they're who we want to be there who would mean Christine WanNa be and And so we were able to have this amazing opportunity to interview them and you know And they have podcast as well. So Yeah so that that's GonNa be another coming episode but in the meantime We're happy that you're here and that you'll get to listen and learn about Lucia and we welcome. We are here with our guests and both fellow. Academics Chiquita's activists Lucia is a Mama. And honestly we just want to one of the reason to bring these new heads to our podcast here and we can and want to send our conversation on the experiences of Latinas Jakarta's Academia Scholars Mama's headed and all different identities east. That you have that we have. And what what? All that means for our careers and for our academic journeys really. I think we can begin the having introduce yourselves song. Good their name. Yeah where what's going on? Who Radio New Charter and I am from right next door the city of Compton. And let's that's where I grew up. That's where organize and I teach at in this issue at Kelsey Dominguez Hills Long Beach and lay in ethnic studies programs departments and my Momma can issue finishing up my PhD in a month. And I know I've been raiding really trying to honor my writing a writer identity and that's a little bit about me. Organizer organized with different in different spaces. Awesome done with the euro also from Compton. We pretty much watts and I am a doctoral student in public house at Claremont Graduate University. I'm finishing up my coursework at the end of of of well. Yeah at the end of me and I'll be moving on to my qualifying exams. This fall a lot of them are good. I do right now. I sort of look at the intersection between the built environment. help public health policy as we know where at a point where our coach better indicators over health than than DNA codes. Ooh That's and then you know my background is in social justice and advocacy. So being a mixing Ricans that he's got nothing all studies major. I feel like every of that into very traditional conservative political. So so yeah. Thank you all for being here. This is it's gray and like I was telling before you know we've been sort of reflecting on this statistic that less than less than it's not even a percentage of letting us have their PD. And what does it mean to be in? Phd Programs. What does it mean to be graduating? Phd Programs? And I also think that it creates a very small circle right that it's isolate. There's a rule of four of us. This is a lot right. Um We were just at an event on Friday at Dominguez Hills and it was like this is like all of us you know August. It's it's really interesting to see how small that network is. I think I think we all kind of know each other in some way and I think that's something we can talk to. Yeah I how? How will you will hear up? You know how we both know you but through different. Yeah so I met who we think quotas on the Pueblo for the women circle the Raquel and Martha relating for a long time. There we just would sit together every week and go around the circle and just share and everyone and it was amazing to find out that you knew Rene your schooling right now. We Are Masters McGregor together at constantly. And then Lucia our together at Dominguez Hills. We went to Grad school together on that makes sense. I know it's it's kind of interesting to see those even like Christine and I write like just how we find each other. Maybe and I kind of get into that too but yeah I just keep thinking like it's such a small circle of people and it's important for us to come together to support each other in the and to share experiences with each other and I think that's part of the conversation one had to is like demystifying all steps in this process. Rarely you know what does it mean to be in coursework antiquing or qualifying exam. It means to be ready to tation. Does it mean to be done trying to figure out like working part time full time. Alex tenure track all those codes for what comes next. You know and even like what? What are the choices in that? Have many choices that anyway I wanted. I think that both of you are doing such great work and so I think I wanNA take some times like highlight each of your work and so if you can each talk about. What programs are in specifically? What is your area of specialty as say right? This is a gift ten minute minute. Elevator people ask you. What's your dissertation about? And you're like. Oh my God. How do I summarize in? But but yes if you can just talk a little bit about what your work is. I think that's important because they think as we go through this journey we're also figuring out like what is our story and like claiming our stories as our own and our journeys and saw like for me you know actually started Grad School at Columbia University in New York. I know I look back and I thought it was gonNA stay there for my PhD. As well I thought that's where I was going to be at so my research through twelve education policy Looking at how schools are becoming privatized through charter schools. And when I was out there my first year. My Master's program The printer lows past incompetent and it was I involved in elementary school McKinley. And I was just sort of like Explain what that is the parents so the parents sure lows has in the state of California which basically allows parents at traditional public schools to essentially pull the trigger gun ready to pull the trigger on their score to invoke stern reforms and saw they get fifty plus one percent of parents to sign a petition. They could have won. Four one of four forms and one of them is to revert the traditional public school into a charter school and so the first time parents pulled the trigger on this law was that in Compton and McKinley and so I was in New York when this was all happening and I felt like. Whoa here I am in New York writing about her love and this is happening literally like in my own backyard in my community and because I had gained such a wealth of knowledge in terms of like how these processes happen looking at the largest school district in New York right I felt sort of like a responsibility navigation to come back home. And so my homegirl. At that time. Pickles was like Lunigiana like you would love it out here in ethnic studies at UCR. And she she was struggling with in terms of like being the only person in my class who was really being critical of education policy and I felt like I was always like that boys. You Know My colleagues would come to think about the book because they knew I'd have these perspectives right and anybody funding me to be here. Pay Me for my pager and so I will say that I had a scholarship so Muguet's millennium recipient which means that You know why I'm here is because they'd have meant higher educational trajectory paid for until I get my PhD. And I got that right out of high school and so it's very unique. Scholarship paid by sugar. Daddy Bill Gates was conditional lay had a certain conditions right. And so if I if I went to a private university than they would only pay half racial Columbia The only behalf so I felt like it was in his two year program and they were only paying for half a medication and I didn't feel like goes in education. I was really pushing to think critically and to think more beyond I was on doing that in my classes and so then I wanted to really be in a program that was going to challenge me to think about education policy but also like all these other race formation and things like that and were critical way. And so I- finished my to your program in a year and a transfer to UCR. Yeah and basically in doing so. I- I- revoked my my scholarship because they don't fund ethnic studies but I knew that I gave a five years of funding to answer ethnic studies because they truly believe in the project of Anaconda and I really wanted my project to exist with an egg studies discipline so I knew like entering the program. I knew entry in Grad school that I wouldn't be funded. I knew that it was gonna be hard. And so then when. I didn't get the grants when I didn't the fellowships when I didn't get the things that I was applying for. I had to really remind myself like Lucia. People don't fund this type of work and really like not internalized that since a failure of old people aren't validating work. People aren't seeing my word but seeing like ICS right. And I know it's imported but it's been a struggle as I'm in my eighth year. Finishing up took a year off to become a parrot. And so it's it's been a really long journey like along. The way got another masters in her program net studies and then also not just being like a scholar researcher but being an activist scholar researcher Which is like another obligation communal obligation? Right that it's like a whole `nother like fulltime time job of creating community and also being accountable your work and so. I've done a lot of things like running for the school board way city. Launching ethnic studies now confident currently transforming the at large voting election to buy district election and and other projects like being one of the Co founders for the practice institute which is a teacher professional development for teachers that WanNa teach ethnic studies through Ari dissociation Rosser educators. As I mean I've I've been doing so that's just a little bit about the work that I do and I think it goes back to this question of. What is my purpose right? And what are my gives. What am I? What's my skill. Set like what is my contribution and also realizing that I could only do so much. So what's also my capacity. These these are questions that I think I've always been asking myself and realizing like the limitations around not. Yeah Yeah that I mean. That's a okay. Our tell us about your work. So let's see so one of the things that I when I was growing experience was this is like we had the civil uprising. The nineteen ninety-two riots in Compton Right. So we're confident. Is that more university. Charles Drew University and Watson Watson next to Compton these started having US programs science academy's right and that's another thing that really push the science and I'm like a grade but we could go beyond science. You know my sisters are into arts. So so so. That's the before it go off on a tangent that incites right so I started the science academy when L. A. Seven and eight and then I ended up at king drew magnet and so the the perimeter with the sort tree mia how to because I came from unified and I don't think I anybody incoming unified receives the type of training to survive on to survive in your in college right and but king drew provided me so I went from that type of like learning to kangaroo type of learning which they train us on basically taught us how to write how you know what it is king drew magnet as a high school seattle. Yeah it's a magnet is one of the most base against magnet high schools in Los Angeles in that area in south Los Angeles. So they really treat me high on how to survive You know school had. I gone to to college with the training that I got the education. They're gonNA come in high. I wouldn't have the right now. Like honestly so then. I go onto to kingery. Prepare dozen no by having like every week. We had a task every week. We had a quiz every week. We have reports. I mean they. By the time we went off to college all of those new so then in college I decided to go six hours away from school to UC Santa Cruz. I just I just you know. I needed a break from the hood. You know. We'll see that it was a lot of things that I encounter. Let things that. I experienced a lot of gun violence. Because there's a lot of things that I think nobody really touches is because this has just momentum in it wasn't as important where maybe people like me and my family were experiencing it right but violence has always existed especially in in inner city. So then I had that background and then you know the things that happened in the family. There's a lot of other types of abuses they deal with and that's just the truth right so then. I wanted to get away from all saying I'm tired. I'm seventeen. I WANNA go somewhere. Where Burn. Nobody knows me and I could start all over again and I have no connection to witty so then I I ended up. I was going to be a math major in. I've always liked science but then You know things that didn't work out. I noticed that you know I sorta like the organization the Movimiento like going to the meetings so that you know for certain organizations that school and who does one number of Latino students at UC Santa Cruz. All of a sudden knew each other almost bound bonded. And so I noticed that my work was in advocacy and social justice. Like what I will heart thrived right. I mean I know numbers and get numbers. But it's that again your purpose in life right and sign. You had to do with that so then I ended up staying sticking around. I ended up moving to the Silicon Valley. It's really expensive so then. I said I can do a master's preexisting idea my master's program in Mexican American Studies San Jose State in. I remember that talking having a conversation with Professor Bizarro and he you know he pretty much sadly you know. Is this a place where you want to be a threat? And at that time we didn't have all of my friends had laugh. I didn't have a support system raining and San Jose it was really expensive and I ended up coming here in the end up in cal- sedately around this time a study doing social work so I realize there's a connection between the environment and mental health and then so I sort of knew it was there and how to pinpoint it right and so some of the cases a lot of cases and we will again were were because of abuse very different types of abuse and neglect berea. When when I started talking to hit is to the clients I started realizing you know when somebody doesn't have the when someone has to spend most of the rent motel money for rand or they have to choose. They have to choose between meeting their basic necessities over. There are paying for their health. Like there's something wrong with her government like there. There is something wrong here. This is this is not okay and we will get and happened to be that in this particular system. They tend to blame the victim. And even that alone is to write. Something is up so with any type of social worker. Happens go and so I said I take from this but I'm still very passionate about mental health so then I ended up doing and going back to Starting to do some research Rick Charles drew and then children's hospital and then Elliott Care Health plan and the now I ended up seeing how health really looked right. Research from a from a frontline preventable. Yeah and then I said okay now I know the missing link in now you understand how environment why environment impacts but you know. I always wanted to be a doctor but I feel like I need a skill set that I don't have that I need to get to get out but I don't know where I wanNA get paid at that time. I was about to thirty. And then that's another thing. I say we'll be tagging. Oh you're going to thirty two. You Really WanNa sorta Doctorate Program in your thirties. You know do you have the means. You don't have a scholarship. I don't have anything to offer fellowships right. And it's funny because one of the things that they said. It's like one adviser to one of the questions that we're hoping to get to advise it to you and I remember people telling me that. Don't go for the for the Doctor Program to Dr Proof. You have experience. You could do it yourself do not so nobody in my circle was encouraging me to go home and now I understand why so now you can get it. But so then I ended up going into Clermont and an I ended up going into their their public health program. And you know talk about putting too what you've learned into practice sl come in with a strong background advocacy and social justice. I am from Compton. I have experienced these health disparities and we talk about. I am the health disparity right survive for nominee culture. So it's been a lot of that. It's been an elegant. Luce has been a lot of okay. How about we take this. This whole different perspective. I'll have a we have a we rate redirect this conversation. How about this as a result? I had one of my one of my colleagues. Tell me how Rita. I'm afraid that they're going to kick you out. Yeah you know because I'm very outspoken. And Very enbrel real unlike. Okay if if our program I if we're trying to be practical in the way not in the way that that we practice public health then we have to know that that the people that are most affected are minority communities right in. How do we help? Nine Lemme learn. Learn more about him. But how do we help them in a productive way? Where you you have to learn how to work alongside with them instead of like on top of it so so. That's allowed to work than I do now. The next week staff is you know I'm about to be done with coursework in. May I want to teach in public health and have a strong background? But how strong background and Social Justice and advocacy so I come in with that and I need to take more qualifying exams and I didn't know that the first part is finishing York. The second big part is doing the qualifying exams getting the proposal done. And then you can advance your dissertation. So that's where I'm like. Okay I feel like I went over there. Woman hurdle our taken have been another one. I think you bring us such an interesting point in terms of you know I I see myself in that last part that you said about how you get one big hurdle and then as you don't even know what's next with that's GonNa be like being a first generation college student but also like first generation my family to speak English family to be born in the United States and so many other ways that no one ever sat me down and was like new CIA. This is what it is and this is what it's going to be like. I had to rely on my friends or like folks that have done a year before me and and even then it. It looks so different for everyone right. I never got like ours never raised in a culture where I knew you know I would be entering these spaces and that these were the expectations. And that's what you're going to have to confront But I think there's a lot of resilience in that writes like I learned so much from the hardship that now I know how to like provide that fem tour should like and I. Actually I told my students. I know it's difficult completing your completed entire educational pipeline. I know it's really difficult but I actually like to tell students you could do it like it's not that difficult it's not impossible and yeah you know it's hard and sleepless nights and then you know. There's the competitive side to it. There's all these stressors but actually like now that I reflect back on a it's like that's not what I want what I want the message to be like I want my students and I told them all the time. Like you could do it. You know if I could do it like it's actually very much easy especially we choose something that you're passionate about especially choose something that is not just the school sexy topic but it's like your life's work right and when it's that then you have a different relationship to. It's not just to advance individualistic career. You know it's about like what are the lessons that you're learning suet. And how am I becoming a better person? And as a result of that like how my helping my community. And so that's not difficult like actually. That's that's a beautiful journey. And so like reframing the narrative around like s going through education. It's like well part of it. Is that for me? At least it was a healing process. No like and I were talking about this last time I had to realize my PhD program. That for me. I got into higher education because of the trauma that I face through education and Mckay through twelve like flaws in confident on the west side of the to be specific and being rejected from king drew magnet high school feeling a sense of failure and rejection from a very young age because I was an English language learner flunking fifth grade and having to go to summer school like all these different things that I went through like in my education then I felt like I had to prove ads crew that you know I am worthy of being an education like graduating as number two in my high school class but not being able to give the Salutatorian speech. You know like things like that. I felt like it impacted me. It impacted myself confidence my self esteem. It made me Lucia like made me like but I recognize that. Not Every student is gonNA respond that way like some students are going to actually really internalize that. It'd be like why guess I'm a sense of like I guess I'm Never GonNa get there and I guess I should just give now and not even go to high school because you know my families in need and so for me. I think I was able to do something that not. Many people do at a very young age which was transform my rage my frustration that trauma that I experience into something transformational for myself and so for me it was like I'm GonNa prove to all my teachers I'm going to prove to. My counselor didn't WanNa write me that letter to get that scholarship. I'M GONNA prove to of them that I am going to do it. And so through my doctoral program I realize I have to put anybody. I I have come to that realization just like put myself so you know like I don't have to prove sell to anyone. I I have to own who I am minored of my story and I think becoming a parent really made me realize like what am I modeling. Do I wanna be this reactionary person internalizes how people respond to me like not really like? That's not really what I want to model. And and so like in these past few years of being a new parent and it's really forced me to think about like I don't want to. I don't want my life to be determined by TRAUMAS. I want my life to be determined by WHO I WANNA be. You know. And so that's very kind of shifting the framework in terms of how I see what I do think this feeling that I don't want you know she by my trauma relate to the anger in elementary school. Junior high something snaps. They not snap something like a woke right and that was just like no no and then I think I think I really enjoy hearing you all talk about. It's about intention right. I think like you said it's not about being some celebrity academic right where you're going to publish. Onis bugs and how whatever like what what are you going into education for. What is your. What is your purpose? What is your intention and I think for me it was it was always been well aware of that statistic. I said at the end of the day if I am getting a PD. That means something. It means something you know and I was always aware of these statistics about that. It's weird like like you said one western prove you know I was like what is it because you know even getting pregnant before eighteen right and it was like. Oh I gotta make sure don't get pregnant routine and it was like I was always trying to be anti statistic working against those things but yeah. I think it was my intention. Was I get getting into this because I'm doing it for the work in my community and and not for the I don't know like who actually gets academic fame like rich white man like and that I tell myself because it's also been a healing journey. One of the things that I did I told myself is that he'll be going to back to schooling your thirties because me and my homegirl from from south central decided to go into that. She went to a Master's program to scratch raving. And we're celebrating graduation master's in public administration. I think it is in me letting our Ameican bone and things that I told her I remember when we were having the discussion that I'm going to go back and school now with them and telling me where I have to get all as like what the hell is going to look at my grades. Nobody right I wanted to get done so and with very with the very calm and very conscious about what I'm able to do and not able to do anything. I'm GONNA take this discussing to disabilities so I do have a disability right and it's been to my disability that I've been able to get that extra time right to do a work right than a happening that that I have been able to navigate without it. I don't think how I don't 'cause they are. You know the officers do particular. Our policies do protect you. But I you know I wonder had not had my disabilities what I've been able to survive right because I had to take three years worth work right but I also learned that in my journey to getting my doctorate is that I'm not the traditional student. You know schools were recreated an education or higher education was white man. It's kate avoid man. I'm not a white person in a very outspoken. So it's almost even in in class. I united. I'm GONNA say disclaimer. I'm very outspoken. Speak my mind right but see it as something productive with something good right and so it's interesting because okay so my first year. I was very hesitant to be to be a mentor to anybody. Because I feel like I didn't belong and I felt like you know. This imposter syndrome was really real in the beginning right and really hearing myself and actually I am an imposter claiming that so so he didn't mentor. Anybody you need people like you know you alone. Here says a lot right in the sciences. So that's a whole different beast right so they're Really Hesitant said. I don't even know if I'm GonNa make a y'all like I don't even have this program and honestly it wasn't until this last year that I said Hey I think And you know if you saw a now feel comfortable being Dr Susan and I feel like I. I know a lot now. I feel that I don't have to prove myself. And then they give the soysay announcement. What how am I proving with you know I am and I do have experience but his this system this is someone's created an event and there's nobody in doctorate program and we all know that there's a lot of mental health and doctorate programs. This system was not created to support. Your your mental emotional will be not. It's not right and lassus somebody that is able to do an intervention right at last higher. They're going to have to get to a point here because there's a lot of mental health. I hear about mental cases Clermont colleges just experienced who suicides time and a half ago back to back so I said hello systems right hello universities you have to start. Really thinking about students will be back and that it will work in the eighties and work in. The nineties. Doesn't work right now. Change the system right and I'm all about you mental in in advocacy mental health. But anyways going back to being a mentor it took a while for me to say. I'm here to prove prove myself to anyone. One two minute than the next big step was well. What can I do with the knowledge that I do have because they do have knowledge and do have experience so this year cited Soda Mentoring People Telling Telling Folks Okay? This is what to do in healthy have public health and medicine so this is how it's done right so it's been this year and everybody has been does year. That is I feel really comfortable in my own skin. And they really. I finally build up a momentum. My confidence in my self esteem finally went back up. And that's how I've been able to help individuals and really mentor people. And they do tell them the truth. You know. School is not easy. And you know this. These species were not for creative for us. But you can take what you learn and you could apply this way and this way and this way. Let's work what you wanted you know. So mentoring. Or them touring love it. I love it so I just WANNA use it exit edit question we want to ask you is like how did you make it? Where did you find support? And I'm hearing that. We found it in circles like this but also from people who decided to extend a hand an error. I think for me. It's always been the generation before me or those who are right there next to me because we have to recognize that the university has changed. You know if you were a graduate student in the ninety S or in eighties. It's so different even the early two thousand and I think that for a while I felt sort of like Lucho taking you while taking while worries is taking you a while to finish but then I also going back to realizing other roadblocks that I had in front of me and it's really difficult to write when you're teaching when you're teaching across three at one point four campuses you know and so I think part of it is like we need to hear more of that. Onus like what is life like as an adjunct and a homey. That's this ad junk because we're adjunct of the university. They get to do with us what they want bigger to have us when they need us because so juror dismissals when they don't and and unfortunately we're in a very precarious situation where we need a job. I need a roof over their win. Yeah and so. It's like this has been teaching moment for me as well to realize like how will I mentor? Mentor? The next generation right and in doing it in a way that is real like these are the obstacles is the university is becoming very neoliberal. You know and yet being real like is this really for you like is is really something you WanNa do right so I think for me. It's always been relying on the people that are right there with me along the journey right and the next generation the generation that just graduated. Because I think there's been a sense of understanding of they know what that is like right. It's been so fresh so we're going to end this episode there and in our next episode. We'll come back with the second half of this amazing conversation. Thanks for listening.

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Frame | Alternative Orthodoxy (Theme 3)

Another Name For Every Thing with Richard Rohr

1:05:52 hr | 4 months ago

Frame | Alternative Orthodoxy (Theme 3)

"You're listening to a podcast by the Center for Action and contemplation to learn more visit CDC. On today's episode we're exploring the third theme of the Alternative Orthodoxy for those who see deeply there is only one reality by reason of the incarnation. There is no truthful distinction between sacred and Profane. This was a really exciting and interesting conversation. I love the. Yeah. I think there's something about. Growing up in the Evangelical tradition, there are such a clear marker between sacred and Profane Christian music secular music. Yes, Christian movies. Do you remember those secular movies? If it's so stark so stark, we created a whole subculture of belonging right so like if you like, you know whatever the band is. If you like Nirvana than you're going to love, I don't know I should remember who they news boys I don't know. All the Christian Vance Right, Oh man, and basically like you weren't Christian if you weren't participating in that subculture of of what we thought was sacred and in the world, but not of the world. Your street cred Curson dependent upon that. That's right. I think that's why this theme is so healing to see that one reality and to see that that distinction is. Is False and Richard really helps invite us into seeing the wholeness of reality, and that there is no profane that it is all once-sacred universe, and it's also what the mystics invite us into that they glimpsed in their experiences of the divine, the sense of oneness in one reality, and we take a look at that about how mystical experiences essentially the veil. Reveal this one reality I love that scene from that sense of oneness, and I think it is only through the example of teachers and mystics. Can help guide us in that and can help. Those scales dropped from our eyes. We can see. Reality as it truly is, and celebrate the the psychology of it all yeah, with doesn't mean however that we shy away from prophetic actions. But it means that we we move into prophetic action with a different energy, and and instead of being reactive, we become creative participators in trying to heal and support and manifest that one reality, even further I love how that complexity demands that creativity from us to be true agents have changed in the world so that we hope you'll enjoy this episode on the third theme of the Alternative Orthodoxy. All Right? This is very exciting and we are ready to go with the third theme of the Alternative Orthodoxy. which is for those who see deeply? There's only one reality by reason of incarnation. There is no truth distinction between sacred and Profane. I wonder if he would kick us off if you have a story that connects to this theme, the health of ground in our own experience. What you know what we were just before we start recording. We're talking about you, too. And I think that for me growing up in a very conservative, Battisti's background, the sacred was anything that happened in church was the sacred right and m music. Yeah, music, therefore the only sacred music was that music that said Jesus about a million times where Jesus was your personal boyfriend, and you were singing to Jesus and God, and the spirit, and I remember growing up, and having that whole sacred secular issue, especially around music I remember growing up I was only allowed to listen to Christian music and Christian. Call them, and then when I finally had enough money like baby sitting and bought my first two secular albums, which were by the way Mariah Carey in Atlanta's more set, which says a lot about me. But that sense of like that that dualistic split that I grew up with around music, and as we were just talking about you, too. I remember the moment when I realized that that there could be music that was sacred. That didn't have to be church music and you to did that for me like I remember. Album after album. Being like this is scripture, this is sacred. This is helping me live and inspiring me and I think for many of us that kind of restored a sense of faith during times of deconstruction, but if I'm totally honest with you both I am still really struggling with this. I can feel the ways in which I still try to separate. The Holy Sacred Camp and this is the secular camp, and just put out an album recently, and I could feel my discomfort in releasing that mean like well. What what are the contempt is going to think about this? You know this isn't Gregorian. Chant, it's electronic pop music like so I'm still trying to integrate this idea of the one reality and to embrace that fully in my body and in my life. What about you Paul? The sort of the came to mind when I was thinking about this was back in the day, I went on a bike trip on bicycle from Calgary. Alberta Down Fort. Collins Colorado while and. Easy way of transportation just takes a few weeks. And we had outside of billions and checked my voicemail for the first time, and I had a lot of messages and I'm not a person who's on the phone very much. I was very confused and I had tried to listen to the voice memos, but my reception was off, so we went inside this little country store and I called my parents and I said what's going on. A friend of mine have been killed in a car accident. So here. I am in the small country store receiving this news N-. I'm with my friend. I tell him and we just both start bawling and were hugging. We're in this little convenience store. Just sobbing. We eventually I recall falling on the floor like we've lost. You're just lost a friend who is I. Think Twenty one at the time. The owner of the store came over, and she was holding her baby in a when those baby bjorn's carriers. Yes, and the baby was looking right at us, and she's asking so for okay. What was happened I just recall like feeling the immensity of the the grief of losing Antoine and then looking in this baby's blue eyes. And I had this moment of one reality of life and death all. Moment and I knew everything was going to be okay, and everything was not ok, but it was. It was the totality of reality that was just pouring through that babies is. Even now, sometimes we'll look into my son is and I have flashes of Antoine because of that experience of that one reality. Yeah, so I I hold that memory in in the grief, and also the lightness of. This mystery of life and death and resurrection. Wow, so that not to bring it down. Being such a mystic, but it's really disappears. It's my heart now. That's that's profoundly beautiful and I think what I appreciate in. That story is that you're bringing together the experience of death in life as one reality. We don't we don't look at the world and life like that yeah? And you did it with sacred and profane. Of course I approach everything to theologically but I hope it gives. Foundation permission for what both of you just said. I don't know if I ever talked to you in living. School Car Arana's phrase well. You probably learned it at crate. Supernatural existential. Two bids. No but. Like an abyss. That resolved. This whole thing is will yeah. That on the existential level, which is the let's just trends they've done is the real present life pastoral? He probably wouldn't say pastoral level. This is where it happens. He said there. I'm sure. He gave me permission to talk this way. There's no truthful distinction between sacred and Profane. The supernatural is the existential is essential. That isn't something that most evangelical were taught. The division was very clear. There was natural and there was a supernatural, and by the way we older Catholics were the same way to. It's huge and wonderful leap. Let me, add this to it that the one. Is The sacrament of the other. You still can appreciate your beautiful Christian Song now and if it's beautiful on a case. Because his pointing sold directly. To the other songs in your life or affirming them revalidated them. And this little beautiful child is. Looked through the death of your friend. A sacrament connects. The sacred and the Profane, and says you know what this is not profane and sacred I mean. Take every water rather than wine any sacramental action. It's not the thing in itself, but it points to the thing and says. It's in on the deal. Look at that. Don't look at me. Until Christianity makes that movement. To the supernatural existential. The supernatural is found in the existential moment. I think we are religion will continue to be. I'll call a show to sideshow. It isn't the main act. Because it. It doesn't make all of this. Meaningful or true, and this is all most people have. So instead of calling them centers. Are Superficial, and maybe some of them are. I am, too. So who cares you know? You're onto something good. Thank you for starting with this third theme in this way thinking of the. Ordinary mysticism. Of the supernatural existential, that needs to be a song. I'm reflecting on Thomas Merton passage of fourth and Walnut and I'd like to read it and then. Maybe! We can talk about this experience that he had that I. think points to this tenant so clearly one real. So he says in Louisville at the corner of fourth and Walnut in the center of the shopping district I was suddenly overwhelmed with the realization that I loved all these people that they were mine and I. There's that we could not be alien to one another. Even though we were total strangers, it was like waking from a dream of separateness of spurious self isolation in special world, the sense of liberation from an illusionary difference was such a relief and such a joy to me that I almost laughed out loud. I have the immense joy of being man a member of the race in which God himself became incarnate, as if the sorrows and stupidities of the human condition could overwhelm me now that I realize we all are, and if only everybody could realize this, but it cannot be explained. There's no way of telling people that they are all walking around shining like the sun, then it was as if I suddenly saw the secret beauty of their hearts. Hearts the depths of their hearts were neither sin, nor desire, nor self-knowledge can reach the core of their reality. The person that each one is in God's eyes. If only they could all see themselves as they really are. If only we could see each other that way all the time, there would be no more war, no more hatred, no more cruelty, no more greed, but this cannot be seen only believed and understood by a peculiar gift. The guy was a master. Has. I read that I think certainly not in in such an eloquent way. Could I have articulated it, but I think I had moments like this. and I wonder Richard If if you had. If you could share with us an experience, a fourth and Walnut in that way that you have had. Where you were able to kind of see through the veil into that moment of oneness one reality. Which one would be worth telling are capable of being told and I. Don't WanNa say by that that it needs to be something super, emotional, ecstatic or special. Where my. Mind most quickly goes. Is Back to my many hermitage experiences. Were by the third week. I maybe hadn't talked to a single individual. You know for three weeks usually hadn't talked. I, would just I am thinking of the Arizona Ones Now As I did four, I guess in Arizona. And I just fell in love with every cactus. Fell in love with every. Little Roadrunner and Little Have Alina. He's little pigs at run around in the Zona Desert. I just would stand. Still Stop Walking. It's like it doesn't get any better than this. This is et. If this is not heaven, what would be? How could it be better? It was total satiafaction total contentment, and was even better when the whole cosmos gutted in on it and it was. Usually sunset more in the evening then the morning. And the lights were just play on the. On the ground and on the CACTI. Almost would have trouble. To start moving again because I thought I'd lose it. and. You can't stay there though you you know. How at the transfiguration? which is the same message really? Jesus tells them walk down the mountain with him and don't talk about it. Why because you can't talk about it and here we are all three of US trying and we still have to try. The the really real. I used to say it new Jerusalem put an art capital are on both of those really real. is in affable unspeakable. And yet we have to try for the sake of our sisters and brothers. To let them know there is something more. and. They're not alone and it's a safe universe. transfiguration the. The temptation the disciples. Let's sort of pretend. We can keep this experience going, and if you could speak to that, too about cleaning to those experiences, but allowing them to take their course and teach whatever they need to be this I tell it just because it's a little humorous, and you can delete it if you want now. You've probably heard it as you know the Franciscans own everything in the Holy Land where Jesus did anything, and we own the top of Mount Taber to, and there's a lovely fryer up there without for old sweet guys living. And so after the tour group that I was leading had to go back down to the village where they were staying I got to stay up there for the night, and to rather humorous things happen to make your point and I'm not making this up for the sake of a good story first of all mount. Taber at night. All the tourist buses must leave so the only people up there at night or the four or five Franciscans you know. Oh just get so quiet and so lovely. I see nailed to an olive tree. Is No camping. I wonder. Do they realize the absurdity? Biblical story itself you may not. Very serious because everybody begs to stay up there overnight those Dang Franciscans send you back down the mountain. Because, there's no, they don't want it to become filled without houses and I can see why they're protecting them. Then the other one was either better or worse I don't know. It's very common in our houses. In Europe and Mediterranean, not have screens screens have sort of American phenomenon. So I finally could get myself to go to sleep in this, so I'll never live on Mount Taber again and I turn off the line and crawling my little bed. And Pretty soon nats are just buzzing around. My ears and flies and it was horrible. Horrible. I'm in this holy place and you're miserable and. Mount Heber and I cannot spiritualize this one. There are Mosquitos in paradise as one book said you're. I know those both of those experiences were intended for me I. Guess The point I'm really trying to make in this context is don't try to manufacture such moments. Because, if there are manufactured by the ego or the, they will fail you just as quickly you know. That seems to be some much what we have done in Christianity is try to manufacture those experiences, but one of the things I appreciate about the stories that you just shared Richard is that it's it's so both ant. It's like you're in this holy place, and you're miserable, and there's lots, and I find that I was able to really sink into this tenant so much more with your work on the Universal Christ. Because it allowed me to see the one reality as the Kristich reality and I wonder if you could share with us how this Tenet relates to the Universal Christ. Wow, it's essential. That's why I had to write the book. Some of my bill didn't have to write, but the universal Christ had to write. And I'm glad God gave me the time to do it. You know the very word Cosmos. Barbara homes probably says this in her book I don't know. Means Harmony Harmony the cosmos? They had an early word for ecology and it was cosmos. I don't see our religion can be a proper religion. Unless. It's cosmological if God is any smaller. than the namer the holder together. The harmonize of the whole cosmos. You've got a mere ethnic religion. Textbook Religion. But not a true religion. It has to include everything. Now where I gain that conviction so early. You've heard me say many times. Many people think they bought that book. Everything belongs just because of the title and I say why was that true because I think our deep intuition as believers is you know what that has to be true if there's one God, who created all things all right? And God is everywhere now. Those are in the first six thirteen questions of our Baltimore Catechism. Those are the direct one line answers that we had to memorize. There's one God who created all things. And Question Sixteen God is everywhere. It would seem this would be the first corollary of that woke and we're always afraid. UNPACK the implications now. I have a terrible suspicion about that that. And you've heard me say it. In different contexts I think it makes our clergy role less import. Yeah! FIALA G of suspicion if God is everywhere. And there's one God created the whole universe, and it's all sacred, certainly our job of preaching and sacramental. US doing the healing or whatever it might be has significantly dropped significantly. It just doesn't keep us central anymore. I wish I didn't have to say that and I'm not saying. We don't need some form of leadership in the church, but this huge distinction between clergy and Laity is itself a product of Sacred Profane being separate. US from which the word clergy came means the separated ones. So we wore different outfits. We had titles. And in that. By in large protestantism did not reform catholicism it wanted to it really did want to the priesthood of all believers of Calvin. But now we have Presbyterian Ministers I guess we're Covenant Tres. SORTA priesthood of all believers Christians. Yeah, I mean, there are still distinct roles of of pastoral. But Yeah I think in theory. That was part. Of. All Yeah, but the Baptist minister same higher. Names different outfits Richard. It was fascinating about this is that we've been talking about the distinction between power over versus power with? And and in one approach, right, the clerical approach or the the sacred and profane approach separateness. Requires a power over it requires a hierarchy of power over and that perpetuate separateness, so it's a little bit of a chicken and an egg, creating separateness and creating these hierarchies of power and domination, wanting to control wanting to create order and certainty, and then in other Paradigm, the Communion Paradigm The power with Paradigm where God is everywhere and in everything. You have to let go of that hierarchy inserts. And move with and the strikes me as so much more consonant with. Trinity and the idea of flow and trust and love yes. Yes, that doesn't mean and I know you weren't saying that that after that question has been resolved in your heart and mind that some form of leadership can be reintroduced. But now you're not tied to it. It is an overly sacrilege. It doesn't have undue power now you know can. Wilbur makes the distinction between actualization hierarchy like a mother is a father. Is I better be a hierarchy for those little ones? Especially when they're little, because they don't know, they don't know they're going to hurt themselves. And you do know you have to use your knowing to protect their unknowing. That's an actual Zeh Shin hierarchy. But what we've had most of history. Even parenting is domination hierarchy. Yes, that's right, and that's will. You were saying. With and over? And what we're trying to do, now is turn that corner from domination hierarchies. The trouble is we're so used to yelling every hierarchy and shooting down that the so-called orange levels and green levels of spiral dynamics, those are levels of consciousness. They can waste. THIRTY YEARS ON BEING ANTI AUTHORITY TO FLATTEN IT. Yeah? The whole goal is get rid of leadership. All leadership is bad. It's really a supreme waste of time, and after a while puts you in such a rebellious mode that it's your first response to everything. And I say this probably with too much emphasis, because ever since the founding of the center thirty two years ago, that's been a third of the staff. They don't know they're they're. They have to go through that? But. orange and green are still below mystic. Mystical on dual level. No one's keeping you back from Union No. In fact you need a little kicking to experience you. I don't think it's our authority job to inflict that kicking. It's at one of those paradoxes, yeah. I think about too like especially in spirituality and religion, the professionalization of of elders versus the natural elders who embody that and when you give twenty five year, olds, the position of. Priests or lead pass, or whatever it may be that internal experiences in there I think part of why we don't see some of the the vibrancy of the Christ. Present end communities is because they haven't tasted themselves. There hasn't been of natural elders within the community. I see that in my own church community where I'm drawn to elders who have that energy versus someone who may have that post. I'm with you, you know. I wrote an article once I. Think it's the only major article I ever wrote that the jesuits accepted. CUT Magazine called America. And it comes to mind cause I ain't never got a lot of feedback on it positive or negative, so I thought it just fell flat and just two weeks ago. I got a letter from Jesuit. Saying. Can you find article for me? He said you do know. It was required reading for All. Jesuits America before ordination. Wow, yeah, and the title of it. Which I? I never knew how to appeal to. Anybody was archetypal. Priesthood is not always ordained priest. That was tight. And I defined archetypal priesthood, which is the way we need to move toward the feminization. Of Priesthood. Is this just my dealing with the archetypes? The priestly wise man, wise woman archetype. Is the one who. WHO TAKES RABBITS OUT OF HATS? Let's just play with that WHO says. This looks like bread, but it's really. Jesus. Always transforming things said it looks like this, but it's this. That's the core that is an every priestly. Even. With allergies, legends and less, a person has the gift to transform things. This looks like suffering, but it's really redemption. Just go down the whole list. This looks like sin, but it's really gonNa Bring you God. That's the archetypal priesthood. and. Many Ordain priests have none of that. I don't our ministers. They just are in positions of order again whereas the priests should has put together disorder with order. And that's archetypal priesthood much rarer, and you know I won't be. Around to see the evolution of this feminization of the priesthood. But I would love to believe that it will hone in on this. What we need our feminine archetype full priests. That they transformed things by the way they talk by the way they communicate. And they don't need priest craft. You know special vestments and signs of the Carlson. It's okay I do it myself, but it's not erupt of itself I have. Find that article again. Yeah, I'd love to read that. I've never given that to the school. Have No, I don't think it's rather short articles. Four pages as I remember. Another name for everything will continue in a moment. Love Humility. Compassion Expand your awareness of Saint Francis teachings including the Alternative Orthodoxy in Richard Roars the Franciscan way. Join hundreds of. All over the world as you explore a deeper connection to the gospels message of humility and love. Registration for the Interactive Online courts and July twenty ninth. Visit C A C dot org forward slash Francis Skin. That's C. A. C. Dot org forward slash F. A.. M. C. I. S. C. A. and to learn more. I'm thinking about this tenant, and the no truthful distinction say can profane. Someone could flatten interested. It's all good. Do we race this ten. With moral courage and integrity, while also seen that there's no truthful distinction between the sacred and Profane. Two separate things before you confess. Unite them. There is no unity unless there's first of all separation. Here's one of those paradoxical things. If see, there's this and there's this. Otherwise and I know you've heard me say this. You Have Mirror uniformity, and we're not searching for uniformity were seeking unity in the spirit where we say yes to look at it. This looks profane. This look secular. To look at this look sacred. This looks holy. This looks Cherchi is the priests are in charge of okay now suffer and I. Use that word. Suffer that division for a while and see the implications see where it leads you. And Long for some unification long for something that's has no. No, they are separate, but they're also one I mean. Catholics are doing this every time they go to Massoud. And they don't get it this still even as you receive it and you're mundane body is looks like Brad and tastes like wine. Jesus. So? It's not denying the distinction. It's overcoming the distinction at a deeper level. And thinking about how we were discussing the Trinity, and how if all of reality is relational and in relationship if the foundational image that we have for reality is of community then in a way what helps me try to see this tenant as true? There's only one reality, no distinction between sacred and profane and yet. I do have that you know that prophetic urge and the the call tomorrow. Courage to act I think what helps me hold. That tension is that I? If I see all reality as relationship, then my urge or my calling to participate and act, and healing is wherever that relationship or relation is being broken, so where in this great one reality? Is is relation -ality being abused. Where is that power over paradigm coming in and trying to destroy or a press or hurt? Their I have the moral responsibility to act in resistance to that and try to you know because I have a responsibility to this one great reality to continue to perpetuate the one great reality. Does that even make sense? Does it makes a lot of sense? It's not most people abuse it. They just don't see. That's it. They should not conscious. That there's any connection between this and that. The little cliche that's been used so much for the last fifteen years of. The flap of the butterflies wing in China affects the air over here. Maybe theory. That's actually there's. A whole I isn't that hard to believe. But. People! Physicists are trying to make that point. Isn't that wonderful? Isn't that wonderful? You and I can't see it can't. We can't prove that, but apparently there are people who can. It's all connected. And that, even the galaxies. Spiraling in some kind of relationship to one another I mean it just gets big much bigger. Oh, this is so wonderful. You don't need church language. To be brought to all and wonder and for me as you know from the book, just this on and lender are the foundational religious instincts. If, you've never had a moment of all never had a moment of wonder where you want to. Figuratively kneel and kiss the ground. I I would doubt the depth of your religiosity. It's it's. Some bad with that as good as it really could be. Nothing, this theme brings for me as some of your teaching on integrating the negative or what we deem as negative. and I wonder if another way to say to Richard would be to welcome our invite in whatever we call the other as a way to bring into that one reality and I think. How does that language sit with you knowing that? especially in our current climate of other rising another political party, another race, another gender another sexuality. Can you speak to that how we integrate or welcome the other as a part of this theme otherness? Is Our essential spiritual gift. To get out of. Our own entrapment in. Edo Century City and it never stops. Maybe, that's the problem. Is that most of us with some effort over comment in an attempt to sustain a marriage? Relationship is one other person if not that with our children. Most can do that far about some. Don't do that. If we can move beyond that that school of otherness. Of family points beyond itself to what we call the extended family are the bigger race now most people limit that to their ethnic group, their religion, their neighborhood and their country. Their religion. Each one is a step into otherness and each one is a threat. You can pretty much tell where most people stop. And most of 'em stop pretty early, that. People. Who just use a different language and I I have to say that one because we in America are probably the most linguistically challenged country in the world. Maybe Canadians are close behind. No, they have their French. That's right. We just we can grow up never hearing anything but anguish. And I remember being irritated as a little boy. We had Mexicans in the town in Kansas where I grew up in my little mind. What why don't they talk right? Why are they talking this strange language and no one told me that I was the one who had a meet otherness. In the Spanish language. We got a little education in because of our idealization of Latin and the Catholic Church but still otherness is a great gift, and Jesus stretches this gift to the extreme in telling us to love the enemy right this. otherness at absolute point. The one who is not just other, but opposition -ly other at least in your perception and Jesus says you got even overcome that talk about. Consciousness right. How can we question that Jesus understood? That are was teaching that are inviting us into that. When he told us to love the ultimate other the enemy That's huge. Yes, and even just thinking about how the sacred and profane dichotomy allows us to live in that ushering world, where it's like as long as that's true then I can be the good guy, and you're the bad guy, or whenever I feel pain, and suffering and I don't WanNa. Feel that anymore I can scapegoat that out projected onto someone else and say they're evil. They're the problem, but a write them off as a monster done and over. And so it seems this tenant seemed so foundational for that transition into that unit of consciousness that can see us as inextricably interrelated to each other where we can no longer split each other apart in that way, dismiss each other. There seems to be a foundation to with how we relate to God as God as other reserve I, thou relationship. Flow out of that. So it should be in some ways if God is other than of course, everything else every other person the planet is a whole other is also other. That that's should be the card Christianity plays. That incarnation overcame that gap of God as other and yet Dang it. We recreated the Lord Christ became other instead of Emmanuel. God, with US Scott in us. What a loss to history that we wasted these two thousand years recreating. Religion as separateness and fear of the holy other W. H. O. L. L. Y., which wasn't H. O., L. Y.. The holy other. Sad which I'm wondering, you know as play with these two distinctions. You give an example of something that you may be previously categorized as profane. That that. Has dropped and them are that labels fallen away as inaugural profane just to put a little concrete example easy for me. I mean in that era. Sex Marriage. Was Profane. It was necessary to continue the human race. I'm sorry that you submitted to this lower. People that we are, but we chose the higher level. And that worked with young idealistic boys and girls were you girls wanted to be virgins and boys wanted to be supposedly celibate. Yeah, that just fell apart, and I've struggled with how that's true why that's true. How that affected my life? Not Saying it was completely wrong. I don't think I could have done. That I did if I, hadn't you know? Not had wife and not had children so look how God brings good out of stupidity. Yeah, that's the big obvious one I mean even the words we had in my generation were. Well, maybe these persisted dirty words. Did you speak? Yeah, yeah, yeah, and we even had a oh, he was ancient. Why they let him teach us, but they just couldn't pull him out of his role. He would speak of certain body parts. Dirty parts how? Percent I grew up a baptist. They, they were the best at that. They made you so much Shaimaa. Body Oh yeah. It's terrible. I mean how did a lot of people have told me this in confession over the years when I be talking to them after they confessed their sexual sins and. Man especially would say. How are you supposed to think of sex as sinful and then one ritual of a wedding ceremony and that night? It's a sacrament. The psyche can't. The adjustment you know. That what was sinful is now wholly so we just have good Cata Qisas. Good understanding of the human person, but this is an outstanding example of where it backfired, and now it's backfiring in a major degree and do hear me I'm not denying there is such a thing as the Carrozza of celibacy, but it's much rarer. than. We Catholics gave our people the impression. I've met more nuns than prese more women than men who really appear to have the Carrozza of celibacy by them saying. Toward the end of their life, they're still healthy human beings, and they're happy human beings, so if you don't see both of those that don't have the Carrozza. If. They're sour and. Picky and self centered only think about themselves. It hasn't worked in fact, it's it's not work It seems to invite us into becoming an I. Don't think this is a word but Sacramento. screwing. People making up word. But people who live from the lens of seeing the Sacred Heart in all reality and live committed to anointing reality to further bring out that Sacramento depth of this is all one. This is all one. This is all one. You've written elsewhere about in the Universal Christ you talked about the one lump of suffering, and as we try to Sacramento is reality. Kind of to your story Paul, we have to include suffering and death in that. Wonder if you could talk a little bit about how this tenant connects with the one lump, and our opportunity to Sacramento is even suffering and loss and heartbreak. This one comes as a genuine surprise to a lot of people. That, All suffering is the suffering of God. Let's just put their I've I've answered the the only way I know how to hands. There's one lump. There's one suffering and we all participate in it. Now the people who talk that way for me where the Catholic mystics I'm sure other mystics do to, but they were almost obsessed with it. Helping Jesus carry. The Cross was maybe the language they used, but this recognition that my suffering is not just my suffering. My suffering is our suffering. And my ability to say yes to my suffering is joining you on the cross i. know that got sentimental and Maudlin even, but it was in every Catholic monastery like our Franciscan houses. We'd invariably have this. Seventeenth Century Painting of Jesus on the Cross. One Hand unveiled moving from the cross into the body of Francis. Perhaps you've seen it and Francis welcoming it this transposition of person of place of thing and this transposition of suffering that. You don't have to see it in that literal away, but it helps facilitate the process. It really does when you're. In. I've I've had too many suffering people. Tell me this in hospitals when you're losing it toward the end of your life. That is not to be a Maudlin sentimental. You'll forget about your four H. Art Tastes. And say I just need that I don't care of that. It's not the greatest art. It's the greatest symbol, and that's true of a lot of art. I say that in partial response because you brought up the image of the sacred heart. which the same thing applies, it's usually not good art. There's the crown of thorns around. There's fire and. I love it I know you think. We're saying the same thing. It's usually a bleeding. Blood an anguish, and we had to give the feminine. Form It's called the Immaculate Heart of Mary. It's a big movement in the Philippines I. Remember the two hearts, and you drive by these little little. NEPEAN huts walked by him all over the Philippines of. The doorway, they'd have the two hearts and I just often wondered. What makes these people so attracted? To not just the one, but the Feminine Heart, and there are people who suffer a lot and they need to. Sack relies to legitimate to allow to forgive their suffering by uniting it with the one suffering. So what we're emphasizing here is the one suffering, not just with Christ suffered. Christ's suffering is the ones suffering. The yeah, he's the sacrament of what is true everywhere. It makes so much more sense out of that. You know the the ways in which we're like well, if God is all powerful and in control. Hierarchy How do bad things happen in the world s? This changes view of that question it kind of. It dissolves that question because it's God has has chosen the power with paradigm to empower. And then, and then we can say God suffers when we suffer. It's not that God is sitting back and being like sorry. Gotcha I'm just going to unleash this hurricane. Unleash these horrible fires in Australia, too bad for you know. God is deeply suffering with us with creation, and hopefully that animates us into action. But yeah shifts the whole thing I think that's why that secret heart is so striking. Vokes that the sacred heart is protected from nothing. Reality is able to so vulnerable. And that if you can get past the body art of it, often, it can really just pierce you. Richard Not long ago, you went back to Kansas and you send some photos around of no did of your house and I asked you. If you had a picture of your beautiful spot that you've mentioned the podcast where you would go as a little boy, you sent a photo to me and there is now a propane tank on your sacred spot, yes, and. I just love that. You're able to embrace the sacred and the off. Thank you and I wonder if you can. Ugly, propane. Beautiful Spot. That's true. Remember it wasn't really my home. It was my customer. Farm home your cousins, but go ahead. No, I one I just love. I, love the play on the sacred and the propane. Ever he's been working on. About? The the symbolism of it of like here now is something that is not considered typically sacred. Even, yeah, even your spot is now everything shifts, everything changes, and that is the one reality at all. It just was such a nice metaphor for me. Thank you for bringing me back to it. That day was so special. You all know this that. Your childhood experiences. Become more and more beautiful. The farther you get away from him, you realize the foundational fascinations and images were planted already then and my summers on the Western Kansas farm with my dear cousins. was just. Oh my God. Nothing could be more boring for most people in Western Kansas. It's just flat, but you deal with what you're handed. And when I would wake up and Cossack huge flat landscape, see the the the waving wheat, and the sun coming over and the birds in the trees and. It was just heavenly and to go back there and realize. This? Isn't another family owns it now? You know he was gone for the day, so we got to walk around freely. was just tugging tugging at my heartstrings. To how can something be and now not be? The Barn was gone. Trigger was the horse that was Roy. Rogers horse trigger, wasn't it? I think so trigger was gone. The water container for the cattle was still there. The silo was gone where we jumped naked into the grain. Sounds uncomfortable. Fun To me, but I'm sure. As a kid. Little twelve year old boys loved it. It's just I, really want to go back again. But that's not what you asked. I was just playing with sacred the propane. Really Chuckle and But yet there is the metaphorical element of now even that. Yeah so as a way to kind of round out this episode of we've been trying to think. How do we practice these these themes? Is there anything that comes to mind for you? But how do we practice? The sense of there's only one reality for those who see deeply and by reason of incarnation there, there's no truth with distinction between sacred and Profane. Practice. It's a gift of allowing not creating. Allowing this to be true, overcoming resistance to it. By the literal mind, which always wants to separate you've heard me define diabolical DIABLO LAS to throw apart. That's literally what the word means. Ray Lucia Joe re ligament. How many times have I talked about that? But I don't know why other people don't talk about it. It's to me. It's so obvious. The diabolique has been you separate things. The religious is when you connect things and the more broad, the more deep you can make the connections. The more obvious God is, and the more obvious love is, and it's a benevolent universe. You're at home. You don't need to go to shrines. They're still nice as sacraments. But not an end in themselves like fire ever went to the Camino I I wish I done it when I was younger and in better shape you know goes from France into Spain and Takes, several weeks. I. Think My desire would be not to enter the big basilica in Compostela at the end. But to say no, this journey has been the sacred. I don't need all. Spanish decorations. I'm sure I would go ahead, but I'd like to think I wouldn't need to. Because that makes me think. This was the goal. The journey is the dream as one of my Franciscan compatriots said in one of his poems. So, yeah any practice whereby you can relive amount. This to that. Especially where it's more difficult, especially where you know all the ugly person, the unlikable person. The violent animal. See Tiger, killing a little deer and I don't like that tiger. I I really turn off the TV. Sometimes I do are at least i. just look away. Why are you doing that? Don't you know she's a mother and that mother's going GonNa die now. And Yeah I see that the tiger go home and feeding her little. Baby Tigers I don't understand. There's an ear rationality to the cycle of. Life, because it includes dammit. The cycle of death. That's what the Cross reveals and proclaims and says get this. Gaze upon the crucified, and you've got the whole mystery, but it will always be something we resist. Remember preaching in a big tent in England or years ago. I must've been saying something in this direction and an Englishman. They always SORTA resent us. Glib Americans probably for good reason. Got Up yelling at me here. You come again, you. Dang Christians and Catholics telling US suffering as good. No it's not yes, it is. That's what you were trying to say. We're sick of it. And he walked out the tent and I know I just didn't say it well enough, but that is the attitude of a lot of Christian. They think we've created. We used to call it. What mysticism? The mysticism of suffering. The over Romanticize -ation offering. It's almost like lower. GLORIFYING SUFFERING And we've done that enough that I can see by. The poor guy was Dang mad. He was missing the point to I think he was. Thanks Richard. Should. We look at some listener questions. Let's do it. I believe in the incarnation. And the one reality of a loving God, alive and active here and now. At the same time. My Country Stralia is dealing with the immediate catastrophic impact, a dangerous climate change including months of empress in forest fires. Homes and lives lost. Coral blockchain, damaging the Great Barrier Reef collapse of ecosystems. elda grandfather. I feel this pain. Politics is divided. A national government is part of the problem blocking an even revisiting real action to address the causes of climate change. The Mike Pot on active in working to shift consciousness and participate in non-violent action. Take the planet. I'm a man of faith, hope and love. I have a I will standard of living. I'm simaltaneously problem pod the solution. I struggled to leave in faith. Hope and love to model action contemplation during a book of mass extinction. How do we leave incarnation? Here and now. My the way you say it so calmly but firmly. His already very helpful. You feel like a faith filled man. And yet you're holding on believably real tension. That can't be resolved fully. Only partly. How do we do it? Always certainly do it first of all inside ourselves and I don't mean to individualize it. And subjectively limit ourselves you, but you sound like you have the social awareness. Already you WanNa do something socially. I'm GonNa to say something that will probably disappoint you, and maybe even scandalise you but. I'm not sure. Because of the archetype, we were given of the life and death of Jesus. That mass extinction isn't in our future. I'm not sure not saying there will be. But Jesus did die on the Cross. He didn't pretend to die. He did die. I don't know any other way. This greedy superficial capitalistic materialistic world that we now are stuck with is gonNA. Choose to reform itself. Unless in some ways. It hits bottom I don't know how to precisely define head. Spot him. But. Collapse is a very real possibility. And Australia Beautiful Australia. I've been there about four five times. Is really symbolizing it. Because of the massive -ness of your suffering, maybe California is GonNa. Be the same thing for us who knows? Let's be open to the possibility that this could be leading to major catastrophe. Global catastrophe left on the course. We're on if we stay on the course of the status quo business as usual. This is certain. This is not a conspiracy theory. We are destroying the earth and the next ten years are going to be very hard. Were a foretaste, your country, our country and many others, but we won't hear about it in Bangladesh and Little Micronesian islands as their flooded, it has to happen in countries like ours which control all the media and all the importance, so let's look at it. Let's learn from it. Let's take what urgency from this is good and necessary. And I think if this leads us to an urgent sense. Of A need for real Christianity real spirituality than it will be serving its purpose. 'cause what we have now is not very real. Is just a formula. We mentally believe. But. We've been quite cooperative as you know. In the destruction of the planet, and now we're seeing it in highly visible and destructive forms. Thank you for saying that so well. I'm also drawn to because of the mystery of this tenant Richard. To reflect on how were invited to have compassion to suffer with each other and our planet? And what I hear in this question I did. He didn't say his name. I wish I wish I knew the name but to say. Cynthia borrego talks about a lesson. She learned from her teacher Rafe when he said no conscious act is ever wasted. That, somehow somehow in the mystery of this one reality we are in this together, and you're not alone in your grief and suffering that somehow in our small conscious acts. We are impacting the whole. You know may be that quantum physics is true and that we are entangled. You know the seems to be the thing that the mystics have been pointing to that the incarnation teaches us. Is that were somehow all bound together in the sacred heart of Christ and that you're suffering? It's not being experienced alone, and that therefore whatever we can do, we are doing it together and service to the whole, but just to acknowledge the suffering that's happening and that our hearts are. Are joined with you in that deep suffering. This is your question. Really hit home for me and it's it's one that my wife Laura and I. This question sits on the front porch of our hearts. Time we talk about it the one sauce I. It's shaping the way that we live the way that we vote the way that we try to participate in the life of Christ in community. That is one of those questions that has doesn't have an immediate response enhancer. How can we live in to this together like you said we were all in this together and. It took so much. Respite in your response and just knowledge in the reality of it, and that it's something that we've created. And how do we be part of the solution whether that's solution has? been on the hospice team. As we go towards extinction or whether we are. For the plan. Yeah, wow, well said. Thank you, thank you, thank you both. It's much more craziest for young people to say it than for me to say it is. You're gonNA live in this. and. That's it for today's episode. Another name for everything with Richard Rohr this podcast produced by the Center for Action Contemplation. 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Alicia Keys

Broken Record

56:01 min | 7 months ago

Alicia Keys

"Alicia keys started her career as a soulful piano plane. Singer-songwriter a lot like a young Carole King but in the twenty percents we've seen him grow into one of the world's biggest pop stars and like the Kobe Memorial. Recently someone the country turns to when we need a unified voice. Yeah frayed weeding unleashes. Newly released memoir more myself. You understand right away how someone so young cares so much. Wisdom raised by a loving single mother in the middle of New York City in the eighties and nineties. She was bound to groped smart and grow up fast. Or maybe not make it at all. The leashes spoke with Malcolm Gladwin by zoom recently about her childhood navigating the dangerous city but writing her book and had informed her new music and share some astonishing stories about some of the amazing people. She's crossed paths with over her career. This is broken record. Land notes for the Digital Age. I'm judgment here's Malcolm glad. Well with Alicia keys. You wrote this book at the same time that you were doing your latest album. You know I mean. I started to write the book before the latest album for shore but they definitely have synergies and a and a bill that they're companion pieces they belong together. Was it strange to work on a book at the same time as music or the same process view? Well no it's not the same process at all is totally foreign completely brand new Much much more indepth than depth. You know obviously the book writing process and the length of time that it takes much longer and much more patients required to really follow through with everything and find the through lines and really be clear about the intention and the meaning that you know at it makes sense the whole way through it at a really brings you there but emotionally. I think it was similar in the sense of you know just having with music you also do have to find the truth in what you're trying to convey and you just doing it in a much more concise way which can also be harder because you don't have the length to deeply explained what you're truly trying to say so and in those ways they both have their challenges but obviously music is more like a second skin for me than book. Writing so in that way was totally different. I think what was good about both? According to music and writing this book at similar times is that I was asking myself to similar questions and and the question that I was asking myself and I was understanding more than ever before. Was this question about identity and who actually am I who who of WHO I am? Coup is web been told me and who is who I'm actually and that became a theme. That was both. I was deeply able to search through the book writing process from looking from very beginning stages to now and then I was also able to search from this music. Sonic lyrical process. I think it was. It was really cool for that because although the same question it was two different expressions of the question so that made it cool. You tell a story about house was killed you and says how community talk about the Italian which I love because we always have to pick a side right I. I have to say that I've always been fortunate because I grew up in New York City heart of the city right. They're melting pot for real. It was never a moment that I wasn't seeing people of all kinds of descents in all kinds of beliefs and religions places and styles and energies. And that really made a difference for me I didn't feel like I had to pick a side because I I think I think if I grew up in a smaller town or I don't know I think it was just circumstance and you know just how much particular childhood was I never felt like that. I definitely felt understood. They were different sides but it had to pick one you know but I also didn't realize what his question when he asked when he said that it was. I was very defensive. A week talking about everybody knows that and the more people that I started some counter. That actually didn't know that Him Right and And and I guess so in regards to picking sides maybe we I pick the side in in a way. I didn't think I was picking aside. I didn't feel like I needed to pick aside. I didn't realize Oh speaking aside but I think in some ways perhaps I did so. That was what we really interesting about it. It it just Kinda put myself. He threw me in front of the mirror and I was like L. Maybe so so good about people who who love you and who you love like how they can provoke you to think about things that she would never. There wouldn't have been a reason to think about when he has to that we used to that. Was that the beginning of the process of the new who you already immersed in it. When he said that too I was already writing it. I think that it really gave it a perspective that I did not have prior and I started to really think about it turned it. It Ain't me the questioning of myself to not only think about race sort of think about religion or to think about color but the let's go even deeper and think about emotions because for me. That's my biggest trouble. I find my biggest challenge on my biggest lesson on my biggest opportunity. Or whatever you WANNA call it. Is I find that I. It's been very difficult for me to access my emotions and so I've finally Come to a place where I can acknowledge the myriad of emotions that make us all up who we are and you know because the world is sold drugs and you know we kind of have been taught to be in control of our everything. You know that We don't Granada encouraged to kind of see these darker or deeper or bluer or scarier or more vulnerable parts. That are inside of us. That are really a healthy part of why you are who you are. But if you don't know that side how can you really know yourself? And so that's that bats is starting to send me now that Roco and away. I went back to what it meant to grow up in the eighties and nineties in New York Before I get there I want to touch on this question of racial identity again. You make that comment about your mom. That she's a black woman. You'd never know so. It's almost as if like so you have a white mother and black father. You have kind of black white. Mother and father is that fair. That's what you're saying. Yeah I mean she totally is I mean if you when you meet my mother or when you have spent time with my mother you can definitely no she. She has a certain spirit and she has a certain energy that at definitely you know anybody who says she is. One of the black is white people that you have you ever met. And she's definitely you know we've always had such a really diverse interesting group of on tees and friends and and you know Her colleagues friends and my friends and insisted friends. And all the people that I've been able to attract and just have been a part of my life that have really created a against a really robust dynamic experience in regards to what people look like where people believe feel dance like you know live the whole thing and so it definitely Colorful picture for me and I'm really take back. What was your mom saying if your mom was on this call and I said to. Her daughter describes you as the bucks woman. What was she like you right? I think with that. So what's your panel picture of growing up with your mom in Manhattan Plaza on what your mother is very is really into music. World you up with his intensity musical what she play. You're you're seven years old johm playing I mean if I can remember correctly. She's plan Bobby Caldwell she's playing John Coltrane. He's playing Ella Fitzgerald. She's playing Marvin Gaye. She's playing. Roberta flack's is playing aretha Franklin. She's planning Simone. She's playing. You know all these really epic stevie wonder she's playing all the greatest are coming through those speakers. And all those Those record players because that's what it was record player and get all the albums on all the shell and it was just a sound chap was so beautiful men and you saying that you from the age of four. You knew you were going to be a singer. I mean by at the age of four is when I fell in love. I was bitten in Smithson. I think that that's when I really fell in love with The possibility because My my my little sweet teacher at the time as Hazel who was Kinda been than the music teacher at at my kindergarten. She always so passionate and and so lively and she always wants to expose us to different sounds in places in performances A little south. We're always going somewhere and saying some little song somewhere But she she also did these plays and those plays were the first opportunity that I had. Which kind of trying out to sing in front of people and it was so scary and I was so so terrified which you know it's so terrifying thing in front of you but you know much less for two we don't know as much easier but benefit the you know is super terrifying and but I tried and I saying who's in the wizard of Oz and I sang somewhere over the rainbow and I'd learn it and learn all whereas learn the melodies would stay in and when I did I felt something and that was the moment that I just. I didn't feel scared. I felt good and that was the moment that filled me up that way and started at journeys at any not going to be a singer at bats second. I don't think but I did know that I've felt something that I wanted to feel again. Found your world is a couple of moments and I wish you did more when you start talking about your relationship to to to to Kano's and to to the piano if you keep top. I thought that was so. Is there some kid your member of the first time as a child that you understood what a piano was what it could do and what you felt but I feel that pianos have always been around me my grandmother? My mother's side always play piano. She was actually a singer and a writer herself. And then you know I think got married quite early so my grandfather call it right out of college. Nineteen twenty whatever that is and then right away. They started. Having children ended up having nine children together. And let me tell you. I have to and I'm trying to figure out how to get some space so I don't know how she would have behind and like be able to do anything besides everything that was needed for that you know so I think at that point you know. Her name was deferred and so but ever since a little girl going to visit my family bear. There was always a piano there. It was also piano milder grandmother's house to my father's mother. My Nana's house. She always had a piano and I think her kids at one time took piano and didn't really stick with it but it always is in the house so it was always a piano. Fortunately somewhere so I think from a very young age. I definitely knew exactly what it was. I knew it was meant to do and I was very attracted to from a very early age. I would you know In New York our pass by Stein way shop all those pianos window as fascinated. I was I was almost drawn. A magnetic force towards it didn't stick my nose at a window and just look at it. I would want to play it. I would want to hear a look so beautiful. They're like arch. And so I was very very enamored with it and and then you know we never had a piano. 'cause that's like first of all are tiny and you can't fit something like that and so our place and and wasn't even really consideration or Until the opportunity arose that we actually were given a piano and that was another thing that changed everything so once I once once that happened we actually had the opportunity for me to play when consistently. That's when I started asking if there was a weapon learn and and it felt like in that way I I was just drawn to it. I can't explain. It accepts anything like that. It wasn't someone wasn't always necessarily playing around me and said hey at least jump on my lap learn. The wasn't necessarily that didn't have a big like church experience. Where a lot of people learning in church kind of jump in to learn there and I thought they played. That was the Mike series either. But it's just so happened that this fascination in the love and the draw an tower was always there and then when it finally revealed itself it was like again that same family where it's like it found me. How old were you when your family got piano And I started playing. I started to take lessons at a at seven. I was reading about that age and it was beat up it was you know a hand-me-down piano which was bobby thing. I ever saw in my life. I couldn't have been more excited or more grateful. It was this kind of lead up Brown Wooden Upright old player piano so it had the doors in front of a slide open. Where in the twenties and Thirties? And whatever saloon nose in wherever it came from the playing paper would have been inside of it and it was at Medina and played for all people in there and they probably would dance to and a lot of times. It probably wasn't played at often from someone's fingers or maybe it was who But it found its way to my living room and became the divider between Milo part of living room. That was my little bedroom and the actual part that me and my mother used to sit in and watch TV and it was the wall and there was. Please tell me you don't have pin. Believe it or not I don't I know I I didn't know before anything started to take off or how and I was able to get another Gino of trying to think of when I'm actually trying to think of when the cross happens I think I got the There's a piano. That was part of the first deal I had and it was a far superior Canada. My Little Brown one and I would at the time. I didn't know what success was as and I didn't know about it. Make it an idea. I was just like wow. This is beautiful piano and and I in my spirit and my mother we said. Well who should WE GIVE THE PIANO? Is that someone else can learn. Someone else can have a beautiful experience as though that we've been thinking that we weren't thinking. Oh we better hold this litter of BP like most museum where piano we never? We never thought about out there. Someone's got that piano as they can. They know is yours. Is You know with a million dollars when we come back more from Alicia keys. Hey all these are crazy. Times were in parents are stuck inside trying to work. Kids are stuck inside with us. Luckily my household who got a shipment of Kiwi Co toys in the mail right as Californians. Got The orders to stay inside. I've never seen something this cool for kids if you think it's impossible to get a kid to put down the cellphone video game and do something that's good for the brain you're wrong. It's possible with toys from Kiwi. Co. It's a science and art subscription box for kids tested by kids and it's more fun than any game. They can play my three year. Old Daughter got a wind powered car. 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There's something for every kid or kid at heart. Chico get your first month free on select crates at Kiwi Co dot com slash broken record. That's K- I W I C O dot com slash broken record. We're back with more from Alicia keys. Tubby about Manhattan Plaza. I was I Been York for twenty years. I walked by Nat and Plaza Million Times. I had no idea for small ideas if that's where he grew up. But I know any kind of world unto itself of all of these creative types from Broadway and so just described as Manhattan Plaza for those who don't own New York so Manhattan. Plaza is like a once in a lifetime creation Basically it was built to support artists and creatives in that area. Because it's on forty second street between nine hundred ten and two twin towers and One is on Tenth Avenue. One is on night avenue and it was an experiment that the city did at a certain point to try to create a affordable living space for people who were creatives. Obviously this New York City is all about creative people and at industry in the entertainment industry and so what they did was they created a system that you would pay only a portion of what you made that much. So you know as we know. Artists have fluctuating. Incomes is not always a check every week. You know you don't have a retirement plan It's very very unstable and sometimes you work in a lot. Essentially were not at all and so depending on whatever was happening that month you pay a portion of what you need and I remember. My mother told me that her per her rent was about seventy five dollars. So at was you know at that beginning time and and and so what they created was a really special place that also had like a playground for kids so in between the buildings there were these special things and so in a lot of ways you could live in that building and kind of how it was its own world unto itself and everybody who was in that building knew each other and all the kids kind of play together and you know. Sometimes you know you even even me discovering who lived in that building. I'm like wow turns. Howard Larry David Jackson. You didn't see him back into San Sam Jackson. But I wouldn't remembered if you had. I couldn't been so young that you know it just doesn't on you like that. You know but I would have known if I if I saw him but you know he was also in that building for a time. Now it's it's it's an only in New York kind of thing. I don't exist anywhere else. They're seriously but it's punk a middle of Times Square in the eighties. Nineties and Times Square needs and nineties is dot the world's most pleasant place. Were you aware of that? Fact that it was sort of the world outside Manhattan Plaza was a little scary or did you just not did that. Not registered you when you were a kid and I knew very clearly if you go to school in order to come back to school in order to you know if there was any activity that I was doing. My mother was big on that. My mother's a single mother in a real means city with daughter and so she was definitely focused on making sure that I have places to go and places to be is she knew if I didn't then I would. I would find places to go places be so Every time I walked out on the street even one of my earliest recollections early in the book That I love a lot is the first time that I asked her. I asked her. Who were the women on the streets? Who in the winter barely had any clothes on and she you know probably struggle with trying to answer that question for whatever? I was six year old or whatever that was. So you know a lot of that. A lot of that energy of Hell's kitchen which literally was as it sounds. That name was perfect. For how it looked and sounded and how it was and and so. I was very familiar with the life outside of that which was full of a lot of a lot of IMF prostitutes a lot of X. rated stores and theaters A lot of heroin addicts drug addicts It was definitely full of the New York scene. So sounds very aware of what that was and I think it actually informed my A lot of my character annual and I noticed as I reflect back that I've always been very you know My exterior has always had to be well in place and that is a lot because of you know those she said I grew up for you. Sound like you had a pretty while at my right. I was reading like how while was Alesia when she was in when she was a teenager. I what I wanted was your I wanted. You want your mom to weigh in and say the real story what was going on your fifteen years old. I definitely I was definitely. I just knew I knew it. All by all fifteen year olds. Do I just a new. I was grown too because I I had to be very Independent from a very young age. You know my mother needed me to be able to get around the city. Schnider be able to get to where I was going gets to school. If I had a piano class or a dance class I need to get there. I need to give back home. You know and and so I was definitely always on the streets and I was always able to kind meet up with my friends or go our wanting to go in essence. She was definitely on me for sure. She was wild so you did not want to upset that women to this day. You don't want to upset. That woman is really just so much more. What in this necessary that you just like. Let's just get it right cleese. So she and she you know. Hey I'm not even mad at her she has. She had to be an and I know when I have to go in on my kids like that too because they have to understand how serious it is that they would never know when. You're young. Mind what I know. I understand why she had you know I do. She had to make a point and I had listened and she didn't have a dad. Sit Down and Sally. She's put the bass voice on it wasn't like that you know what I mean so I understand but but she so I was definitely i. I think I was. I was very smart. I really knew how to navigate I also had a lot of older friends so I felt a lot older than I was acted a lot older than was probably pretty fast in regards to my experiences and things like that so. I just had a sense that most people my age never did and I just I couldn't go back. I didn't know how to go back. I was already already so road responsible. And kinda crazy and loud mouth and you know God was extra tough and all the stuff that you think as a kid exactly. It's irrelevant because you had your whole timeline. As an artist is sped up. So what happened you at nineteen is what usually happens to singers at twenty five or in people. I think. Forget if you grew up in New York trick you grew up in New York. You're just you're two three years ahead of everybody else. You just have to grow so much faster sounding do way earlier. Edits shoe. I mean so. Sinus sixteen graduated high school at Sixteen went to college at Sixteen and also started not the experience. The journey China become an artist as six. And so all of it. This is like hey we saw no your sixteen year old cells. It's Friday night because I asked this question because I was in New York us the years right when I came to New York. Well me and my friends were either. China sneak into the tunnel Holland. Tunnel are always played at sneaking a tunnel China. We like dress up enough people in not sixteen in China. Sneak in say we lost by the time I did that. We went allotted. Escape key is a skating rink in the Bronx. Achey and me and my friends never skated because we were always like he needed to run data here. I don't want to be on hair skates so nervous. Gay just in case you need to get out of there and never took off my jacket and I never took off my jacket and places for years for years. People would ask you. Can I take Django Jacker Whitney when you need to get out? You need to have your jacket so that was like always just instinctual Our own and we go to each other's house we would hang out like You know hang in Harlem a lot which basically just a lot of walking around basically where you went nowhere you just walk and will indifference guys a chance to talk to you and you just do to gain and keep walking in a lot of laughs brand walking. That's occurred what we did. What are you? What are you at that age? You're listening to what says because the Music Scene Dick. The Hip Hop Scene York is exploding writer. I was the best. It was so good. I mean it was Mary J. Blige. You're listening to fame clan. We Listen Nah. Is who listening listening to be smalls or listening to pack. We were listening to Black Moon Black Moon was another time. Mazing we listen Smith Wesson ever crazy. They were part of that. Whole Beverley. We were listening to you. Know like as of Udine was was in the consciousness of the time like jade blackstone or consciousness like big girl groups of being voices loud Imbo We listened into a man. There was so much great music you know there was so much good stuff that was just so many different sides Shove a ranks and you know different different MAG- Cobra. I remember all type of different Ray Lucia Bon ton and It was just a bunch of different styles of music that was happening and we were listening all of it. And you would you start. Your Girl Band did not know. That was an ambition. Alan were you in the band a while. I mean we really believe in that. We really wanted to take it all away. We had our rehearsals on time at the Peo- pal on one hundred twenty. Four street We would I mean it was a couple of years. I think that we were just meeting up in China. Make a word practicing and at school and working on what kind of music I was when I when I was that bad when that age. Are you making something similar to the kind of music you made? Today was yeah. It was mostly like we would sing our favorite songs. We were working on arrangements to the song that we love so that if we ever had the opportunity to sing for anybody we will be ready to perform. But didn't you write you a note of it? Didn't you write a song called on all done? Was that you mentioned that in your book. I'm all alone is the first alone and that actually was triggered by the death of my grandfather and that happened that about Twelve I think I was about twelve at that time and that was I wasn't really in the group at that time I mean it was a little groups that I was at that time but but when I wrote that song the significance that was just it was the first time a inexperience was painful. Enough to really you know. Provoke me to take all this information that I had with piano and with music and you know sit down and create a thing and it was the very first time did that. Did you continue to write all the way from that point forward? Will you continue to write music all the time or is this something that you left foreign came back to like is the second one CY started? I really I. I recognize that it was something I could do. And also recognize. It felt really good to just sit down and say what you feel. I remember one of the one of the one of my dearest sisters Was A who was also in the group with me. She and I she started playing Bass and piano and she and I would get together a lot and just kind of jam right. And if my mother wasn't home she was at work late most of the time and so she would. My friend comes to my house and have her bass and piano. We were listening to a ton of a. Marvin was going on out. Men and the song that we listened so much to his flying high in the sky which to me is one of the most unbelievable compositions ever because you hear this base and it constantly walks up and this relentless jazz Z. you know stupor that he's describing how he's feeling being high and it's so it's so painful and beautiful at the same time and And that was something that we were really fascinated with him because she was starting to learn the bass we would play like these type of energies informs and and I think that's really good for both of us to just be holed up inside in. Oh playing music which is why you know music. Save so many lives. What's the first song you wrote? You think we should. I truly great mature Stom- like a song. You're you would happily play a concert. The very first on the song I consider my first good song is is a song called butterflies and that when I wrote when I was fourteen and I would play it today. I'd say right now It's really sweet but beautiful and surprised at the surprisingly mature for fourteen in a way that it. It kind of seems time is. It doesn't feel like Oh. Yeah you could tell young when I wrote that you can as you can see how. Masan developed over time and became more intricate. But but you don't pay attention to that. It just feels like a sweet song. You know what I'm going to ask you right now. Don't you guys? Because I don't have piano. You could just like singlet to see lines acapella. Can you know might be described your version with us all right Let's see so versus lately when I look I really Y'All the only one I need mnay. They don't know how to describe how low they may be. El In how you give me love me so high sky. I can't control the butterfly. You give me an so high. I can't get show the fan. You wrote that what you were not a lifted and so a lot of Anita Baker. I remember back to. My mother was lifting so tons of a neat Anita Baker and so back to that Ella Fitzgerald Nina Fate Anita Baker There was this kind of jazzy under own that I really related to a lot from those artists that she trade but I was growing up a new say not right now dot take you back to fourteen as kind of member myself on a little beyond that. I told L. About frontline air doors sitting in knee. Just kind of I remember. Also listening to a lot of Brian McKnight at the time because he was a he was a beautiful peon players on writer as fascinated with listening. And how that was and he would do these. Really Pretty Ano- songs And so I think I was Taken some of that energy and just sitting at the piano and finding these courts and filling low and I was just alone and I wrote that and your your mom comes home from work and you turn you saying. I've written a song in your plan for No what is it must have blue. This remind bullet was your mom's reaction to this prodigy inside this tiny apartment in Manhattan. I own no I. You definitely need to ask her. I and now what does she think her? And Talk to me later but the you know. I don't remember her. I'm sure that she was excited. And you know when I hear Egypt Egypt. Jump on a piano. He plays piano and and he'll come up with these songs. And I and I can hear incited song. What's go- what's going on in his mind what he's stumbling on and it's good and I can say man he doesn't know it yet and he doesn't think about it all extra hard like that but I saved you know that has an ear. He has some a stand stuff. And I'm always like wow I'm interested. I'm not pushing it or extra. China live bill uncomfortable. I'm always interested. I don't know if she had the time to even get into it like bad or did I play it for her right away or was I working on it for some days. Does she just over here me? And just let me have my space and over. Call her being like. Oh my gosh wow does I. Don't remember her being all like that. Only been in two zero six and everything so I'm not saying she didn't but I I don't recall it being kind of a thing. So not sure what. She was thinking or feeling at that time. Because I was like fourteen when a little later maybe at sixteen when I started doing showcases and I started. Maybe it seemed more like a something that maybe he'd be nervous from me about or whatever but I'm interested in myself. Let's both caller shoot. We should have just added heard this happen. Question is one of the fascinating things about book is when you talk about at a very young age you meet these very very powerful people who hear you an. Easterly see if there's something special there I'm thinking about five days. She held up. And then we'll talk about those three. I mean for small. It's by my disco blown at the age of how you nineteen when the music came out or when we were I still working on because I was finding next knows that. Oh Yeah how do know the agent which three of the most important cultural figures neural Music and beyond music recognize something in you right does let steel i. You know I would say that I started with my first manager. Geoff Robinson who was the first that even before me you know saw that there was something in me that was special and unique and that was about that no fourteen fifteen eight hours still with that first group and he was the one that said you really support you really should be a solo artist which is like no way on everyone because his solo artist sounds so boring and lonely but You know he was right. You know he was. He was right I he saw that. I've played already so I wrote. He saw that I could do them both together and and it just created something that was that was special that he saw and so he was the one that you know took me around to the different labels and created the opportunity for me to meet these different people that I met Peter Edge who also became a really big part of my life and to this day. Is You know the president And so he so he definitely introduced me to Peter and then Peter Than Than Jeff also from me to Columbia and. That was the first time that I had my first situation. Which didn't work out that. Well and then and then between himself and Peter got me. My first meeting with Clive Davis and that was about not almost say that was about sixteen or seventeen just spent a couple of years but Columbia creating most of what became songs in a minor but they They just didn't understand the vision. They didn't get it. And there's a lot of internal changes and stuff like that happen all the time and business and so so So that I met climate seventeen esh and then I worked another couple of years. Create you know finish in upper newsy. Do Remember what you played for him so you go just to those. Who Don't know. I Davis is like the most legendary figure the greatest talents SPA. I mean he's the God in girl walk into his office at Arista at and you're seventeen were you. Were you intimidated? I was late and I was so annoyed that I was late in. Jeff was so mad at needed. I was late his this. This is like the biggest meeting of your entire life in your late and I felt bad wannabe late like no one wants to be laid so that was city and unfortunately no it was all my side that I think he had his meaning ran over so something happened that I did seem late even though of course. I'm nervous because I'm like you know this this I at the time I was trying to get out of my previous label deal which wasn't going well and was interested and he heard already a group of song because I created so much of what became songs in a minor and I was playing stuff like I had a song called. Why do I feel so sad? I know that I've seen that I had a song called loving you which was greatly inspired by Aretha. Franklin like that style of his home I had my butterfly song that was playing the shore and then I was also playing some. Brian McKnight covers and some Marvin Gaye covers and stuff like that. I think that's probably that was my rep it starts. I'm how long have you played for? I mean you know like a little cubby like a twenty minute. Fifteen hundred songs talk in a little. You know that you looking at him while you're playing I don't I mean I was definitely nervous. I have you know I hadn't I had done a lot of showcases because in order to get that I deal. We did a lot of showcases in and I had been performing alive since that first group and I had a sense of like how to put my thing on but I was always quite was I looking at him. Probably a little but not a lot not extra ova competent. Just like enough to do my thing. And he didn't. He didn't have any doubt in his mind when he when he said. I want to work with you. You sedation. I don't know if that happened exactly on that spot or if it was a call that maybe transpired later or a second meeting. Even but I'm but as I recall it he definitely. I mean he'd said he complimented me in ways that I had never been complimented and to your point about the people that he's worked with. You know you know like the you know like the Santana's in the earth wind and fires and ends and just some of the absolute Joni Mitchell's and like some of the absolute all time rate is artists ever cheese. Been a part of their creative trajectory and so he would tell me that he thought I was a lot like Joni Mitchell and you know he never stepped foot in the studio with her that she create all her things and write all her songs and she just came back to him and said okay. My music is and she was like I see that. Scu like that. And I couldn't believe it. You know my seventeen wrote cells being told that he saw me like someone like a Joni Mitchell. I was like what so Was very excited. He knew what he saw he knew what he has had his eyes on and he also knew that there was a one in a billion chance at Columbia would ever let me go. It was very clear about that. He did do their everlasting. I'm sure the my elder lanston great fortune come back. Louisa talks about the beginning of a friendship with Prince. We're back with Alicia keys. Who had run another interview by Malcolm? Requested she tell her Prince Story. I gotTa tell your story which was another of my verifies about that story is so you? WanNa do you want to cover a prince song on on a minor and it's up to you to call prince to ask that's the I mean other people could call but it would likely not go well and I think that they understood that if I called maybe it made it a little harder for him to say no may I mean I don't know I was. She was definitely observing what I was doing and he And he was he was so veraciously a music lover and really excited about new music all the time. I never met anybody like that. Who just knew the pulse of new music so so well And so that. That was him so he was definitely observing. What I was doing and this is really interesting. So this point you put on any any records ever outfall in by the outright arrived okay. So he would have heard fallen and banned. It was up to me to say. Oh as part of the whole album I also recorded How come you don't call me and would it be? Okay a feed a clear that to go my album because he sees the songwriter. And you do have to clear covers With so that was that was asked him that question and it was so crazy because like first of all. I hadn't spoken to people that I adored like him ever. Ah For that phone call like I didn't just go. That was not a normal occurrence. If you can imagine even today you know a missing so much in even today. If he was still alive I was calling him. I was still so nervous about. Call him so understand like that. That part probably would just stay put but if you can imagine that it's the very first time I'm ever calling somebody who I admire on a level that site explainable and calling to see if maybe cool with me performing his after I heard time and time again that he turns everything so that was what I was up against as about eighteen. I think at the time maybe nineteen and I'm in some hotel room because we do at some little tore through these different hotels and For the presence of Anima Hotel calling on the phone and the person says hello a prince and like is this prince like no hold on a transfer me okay. So then. The next person picks hello. Hello not him either. Hey look at Princeton alike yes okay. Hold on a chance to me. How many times they get a chance to be at least four times and so every time the call is transferred. My nerves that more and more terrified and scary. He finally got on the phone. I hear his voice like it's him. It's his voice. I don't even know what to barely say anymore. Had some script written down but you know I start talking to him and he was super friendly and really encouraging and saying he heard what I've been working on and he knows that I'm writing and producing my stuff and he really loves that. Keep that up. And and that's when he invited me to Paisley Bar so I I I asked him if I could put it on the album and he said once you basin card in play it for me. I say okay. An addition. It's been tastic. That was that was nuts. I mean one of the craziest phone calls from my life and you go. How long after was along to take you to go to the park to play for. Wasn't that long after we were still trying to get it cleared and he kind of made. It seem like if I came in played. Maybe be more inclined so I'm pretty sure we went quickly. And he has a whole audience of like hardcore prince lovers in auditory analysts. Yes those freezing I mean. Wow it's so Kota there as winter Have my this little tiny leather jagged wearing everywhere. I don't know what was the matter me. Why did I might have another Jackie and And it was Super Friesen over there but it was incredible as the world all its own it was all his memorabilia and incredible moments that he's been a part of in contributed to culture two musical culture. Which is embodied all right there the doves and the purple and the piano and writing on it and outfits from Purple Rain and I mean. It was literally stunning. It was the most beautiful days I ever saw. And then you know him to have this kind of performance space for the die. Hards could come in just like the apartment. Hit Earl is nuts. He becomes a friend afterwards definitely he definitely became a mentor and a friends who checked in on me and would often comes in my shows. It often talk to me about the hard things you know as a performer As a as an artist whose whose music is starting to reach places in New People and what that was and on the on the business side ownership and being in control of what we create and also just you know even like sonically how it sounded at the show and he was very very specific. He didn't just come to light show in other candidates chilly he always came with an intention and purpose something to teach me and so even though every time. I spoke to him. I was terrified and trying not to cry because he told me. My sound didn't translate well in that show and I'd be like oh no. Does that mean it sounded you as a China? Tell me some bad. He wanted me to be aware that that are needed to improve. You know and and so that that way you like a big brother who would really tell you you know what was happening in a true way. A one one last thing I wanted to talk about was just performed. A Kobe's memorial service and Grammy's and bombers inauguration last year in this really interesting position very few art historian where you're you're like you're the kind of person we turn to Thinking who else has been that claimed that role in American music I would say maybe twenty years ago would also Simon and we're after nine eleven if played the boxer or any plane. That was the person whose music return to when we needed some kind of and Jordan civil rights it would have been Harry Belafonte. Probably Wow. That's that's the kind of urine net tradition. Now you're like the. I just wonder what that feels like you kind of responsibility that comes with that and you are you aware of that. And what is it opposite making you? I definitely Definitely know that as I've grown as I've become more comfortable in my skin and more truly who I am that I know that there is a deep connection that we share in that we have an. We've always had it but I don't think I was ready before to truly be comfortable with it to be Be completely just more so much more open and so much more able to share my truth. And what I'm learning what I'm experiencing and even my vulnerabilities and my pains in my fears my sinuses The humanness that lives in all of us at I for so long felt like I had to put into a box so that I could get on with each day and just get through all the demands and things like that and so now that I'm so much more clear about the fact that part of the beauty of us is all those sides that we spoke about. It's beginning this conversation. The scary the vulnerable the fear the anger all the parts that we kinda boxed up and put away is there too out of control or they're too personal or they feel too raw. I've become so much more comfortable with expressing incense since I have and since I had started to know myself more and be comfortable with all those parts of myself I find. That connection has deepened in a way that I never expected and I definitely wasn't ready for before because I wasn't even ready to do. That was my own self so now that that is happening. I do see how the connection is the point of what you're saying. There's something there that's creating. It's creating a a level of deeper understanding level of solid level. Love connection that creates something which just has been circumstantial because we're in a really tumultuous time and we need each other just more than ever and so I always wanted to be purposeful. Hours wanted to do things that have meaning to them and not just empty reasons and I have been getting these beautiful opportunities that even I have not known or meant to become what they did. I just was okay showing up and comfortable enough to show up in even through to all the scary things that I personally feel. You know all the time when I'm going to perform or when I'm going to put something on my back and walk out with it and hope that it all goes well. You know So I think the openness that I am experiencing is creating that kind of connection between us and I'm I don't know when it exactly started but I'm really loving it and I'm looking for more. There's something beautiful about the fact that like Biracial go from Manhattan. Plaza speaks all like. That's kind of. That's kind of amazing. I love morning. Thank you so much. This has been so much fun and best of luck with a good one and be safe and be careful and be good and hopefully down and have a meal and talk when big normal keys book more myself. A Journey is out now and a new album. Alicia COMES OUT IN. May fifteen artists and songs she mentioned in a conversation with Malcolm at broken record. Podcasts DOT COM broken record is produced with help from Jason Gabrielle. Miller Bell Leah. 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#54 (Part 2) Talk-in After Dark

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#54 (Part 2) Talk-in After Dark

"It. You'll be we have a great book is showing we hell you. We're talking about podcasts and partner, and you know what? Before today at some crazy motherfucking gigs and I got paid for him but that was should what about you? You have a job before many of time man I'm talking about podcasts and I've been talking about day mother bugging. Where y'all been partners biggie telling what they don't already know already haven't heard about anchor is too easy way to make a podcast. Let me explain it's free those creation tools that allow you to record and Eddie your podcast arrived from your phone or computer anchor will distribute your podcast for you. So it can be heard on spotify apple podcasts and many mother fucking Mo-. You can make money from your podcast with no minimum listenership. She wouldn't think about all the jobs are happy for dog selling out of the car washes, recycling your work, pulling it out, eliminate doing the split up dog shit rubbing. 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So how many fingers holding up? One. Zero. Hold on big has talked about this before he's not afraid to let his other half explore his surroundings. That's a big question that we've asked a couple of pilots in the past but people were embarrassed to talk about it. There's girls out there that love to go down and dudes then they lift up the second that keep going a little lower. You're like WHOA WHOA A as big as does some confessionals and work curious as to deep dive the deep dive working as to what the population is like especially after the quarantine gotTa, try some Shit Rain. A Sutra big eighth about right. So I wanNA give the pine is out there like okay. The more you want to be your shit you WanNa Bet Y'all I'm fucking him a free and he tried you should to her. Does it get time for us some Shit, and you happen to be like her face and her arms in bt lakes. She's GonNa Think. Oh can I put those fingers up? What can one finger out? Say Tongue we're. I said feared you I said feared. Whenever I then. There are no now's homey not. Saying so I was like I thought it was a moment. Yeah. Me Issues like. This let me try this why? Do you think he can lock your legs, but that's blocking home. In a kind of. razzing waters and you go down the venom to. Do Ken Cross up at the end I was like what the fuck just happened you like that shit no I didn't I didn't did. You see the first time you don't get slightly. Didn't like it so much where I was like usually me in that area, I won't. Tell. Anybody. What's the question. Is, how do the patent is understand if they should or not do you grab the back of the head and will you go down? You have to really tell yourself if you're going to go to the next level of fucking like being a free spirit and you're trying to. Do upticks. And if you eat my ass, you know. But if you'RE GONNA go to that next level. So you got to be comfortable annoying that she made be fired up I I think. I got. Hey My life no joke. I'm GonNa tell you right now. So it was what the tongue or A. Finger. Did. You get looped up with the TUMP. The no and under the he's naturally more you went dry. Finger see. You got a Burrito that day he was cool. Do Check. Through. Hey that's life women. No Yeah. There's some girls that. Yes so Wandering your Ab Lebanon in Europe, I can get away with this. We'll do this. Yeah. Guaranteed. If you're in an orgy threesome foursome, it's going to happen to. Be Doing. We know what to do when you're thrown off. So Jump Rope trying to try. I was sore. So so much suited like I was in shock. You liked it though not I'm not I'M NOT GONNA lie talking about the porn game does come up on the. On on the news feed and I'm like, should I? Click. One day a click on that ship must see a fucking video of big A. College rules and should. I like this. Cool. Baby like Scuba. Idea was more sought. How do you know you're not gonna like it until you try you there's Just cut the whole thing now, don't do this is over at. NASA people some people have dogs. How's it gave you have. Anything. I'm just saying for me in Preference Label that can you might? Have you guys ever tried the the the new avocado te'o flavor doritos. No you? Yes. Same Shit. It's good. That sounds far same shit big as the the the the top deal with the chips. Hey, I'm just saying tissues like. Species. Going back to the memory yeah. Did you did you tell her anything? You say you going? No. None I. Try to move I charter move around like bananas stuck in. Give over for big putting out there. Raise your hand if you've got fingered before. nope wait bigger. I don't sound right. So check this out watching this show early in my life I was watching this show it's called the Remmy it's on Hulu survey remmy. Yeah. reminisce about like this. This guy he's a Muslim, right? He's got a hardcore Muslim he prays he goes to the Mosque and Shit like that. However, he has some weird principles. What he does he will follow all the Muslim rules, but he likes to fuck you. You know he'd be fucking random bitches but. You can't fuck if you're Muslim you're supposed to be married. So he goes out with his Muslim chick episode one and he you know they hit it off and he thinks he's like four on Muslim. She's GonNa follow all the rules they go to her car he's walking her she's like so I don't get a kiss kiss right and then she's like well, why don't you come in my car? So they get in the car he's about to start hitting he'll come in. And then he's about to start hitting and he's like well, aren't you Muslim sh? We should slow down. You know like Oh yeah. There's ways around it. You know I know a guy who can marry us real quick and right now I don't WanNa do that one to be real you know I there's other things we can do. So she starts like masturbating right she gets on top of them. She's joke me joke. He's like a full on Muslim and he thinks she's like a full Muslim. My point is she's a foreign Muslim but she don't give a fuck. She's a frigging broad. This dude wasn't prepared for that. So what happened was big as started screaming law when he got that finger. I'd. Like Dude. I have nothing against either I would just sold through an off BRO I. Prompt you. Should asks but? Not a lot of, people seattle. Say I felt like I was US dog. Voter Buffet Cheer felt like it was so funny after. I don't want to act I was like, what's The craziest position you've ever do oh shit. This. reverse cowboy. Cowboy first big. Just. Like maybe just like the. The craziest I feel like I had the best fun like the SCISSOR stallion. Winning up and everything now. Like I feel like I was one. China. Virginia never understood why the lesbians coined the SCISSOR phrase. Consider. There's. This. One here. Up and. You. Can't see he's showing us with his hands where the liquid. And we're his leg would be nuts. That's healing personal right now. I think of. Lightly Salted Sea salt. That was probably the intense more free to like really. Good should begin cool. Man I had a good time. I'M GONNA go ahead and Gordon Save you now. From what save you from the memory of fucked to you look shit did you ever did you ever hook up with her again? Yeah Research. At United sound like it's a connection you don't like. You you know. She. Was a negative you're the positive and you both grounded. Put a lightbulb in your mouth like uncle fester the motherfucker lights our lives. You have times. That's the thing you can't hold back who cares. Don't back in life. Her went a second or a third row. Yeah. Second. Second. Round thirty. Or like no. Thirty. Nine. I. Remember. I don't even know if I remember going three three rows. About like two year. But when he gets, he gets those fine chicks and he just puts a fine what that's why I was never a quarterback to. Unwind. Unwind. Three, fucking. Not necessarily a fine, just the position that they do, and then you see and then it just like fuck you know picturing. Cooking de maritime becomes a fucking spent. So I'm picturing. Picturing him with like fucking a viking helmet. biking just finished rowing biting vote a is that a problem is that a problem that you're like? No like because you know there's just like I get so fired up that. Timing on it does not. You know big a we know you'll get weird. You Know Matt We know you love to have sex shit they gave. We know you like those. So a lot of people say when you get married. The sexual activities go. Sure you're you're in the honeymoon phase. You still fresh. You haven't been a year yet. We. He's got A to. Run once a week sitting. Foolproof. One at least three times a week tutors who's not bad when you got. Jobs. Does account like same day. A week if you do. If you to you gotTa have a punch card makes your you're gonNA, Punch card, you get seven. Days a week. It got to be least three and a half. Yeah. It's like going to the gym have that's half the week the week. Was said. To be dedicated to sex. Happy all week she'd be dedicated to sex. Yeah, I was I was. I was married long longtime. Yeah. He was the physical part was crazy was was very consistent and there was times of course where it would go for a while because of the kids or whatever lot of arguing a lot of makeup six right. So I, think for me the more arguing that I did the less pleasure boy was into got worse as an argument. Once. It got worse than argument to make up sex got better for both of us and it just was a fucking was a crash waiting to happen. You know the shit was cool. Very, very passionate but that's crazy. Motherfucker shouldn't didn't work out. You've got to be careful with that. Don't get hooked on the makeup sex broke. Out. That's my advice anybody who is in? This. Nice. From the positive. All that. He think about that It's a bad look. It's like it's like used to heroin and you do it a little bit here and there you. Need more hair go through withdraws. You GonNa Start Shaking, and then you're gonNA. You're give me three fears. Hey would you rather get a fucking q tip? Dear knows who is a good one or what are you talking about this? So if you're going to get tested for Kobe right government says, Hey. y'All ready to ways of this test right here. I'm going to get this long s q tip loan imus ticket to your nose. Get as long as q tip, but some Lou Bennett whose up but. Option, which one would you take knows. Maybe, the bobby the but. I don't want that same rubbing on my brain should that's made me feel. So they put the chipping agree. It's long. Bike Shit Up. Shipping you're. Not. GonNa stop like you said right here you what's that's just Rains. Rather. Just stick them up bucket overweight biggest. Asked. Me That question earlier which which you wrote he asked me a up the nose long q tip or up to but like I'm GonNa go with up to. But yeah. Because we ever pulled out of nose hair that shit, hurts. is started giving Nelson. My buddy said he's now bro You do it on your nose. That's when they put the virus in. You know the Fuck I'm not gonNA talk to this. Well I mean. After an afternoon. I'm GONNA schedule, six tasks you know. You were here yesterday Sir but you don't think you guys. Are you guys got it all? In. So. I don't know how the fuck we got into. I really. Enjoying the topic I love it I. Think we got into it because aid start talking about how he likes homemade homemade Saran Bachelorette, teddy bear dude, and then fucking raise like, yeah. Man Big. You ever got some fingers and being started going crazy shit. So. That was a good topic to the best of those, and so my next question for the patent in the building tonight is it's very simple. Okay. Have you ever had a one to one nice thing yeah, and how many have you had? No, I know you're gonNA listen to this feel free to live. Through. I've been answering I everytime radiohead. First, what's your one night stand body count but I'm not talking about watching the sunrise run grunion runs. There has been a hassle. Yeah. When he says he's holding up one finger folks just. Big Finger a finger takes up most of my hand had my. I had my terro cars. You know about ray before. Comrades. Not Have. Your Palmer. School. Harry palm rest the circus today was a I'll pay for you get your palm now I don't believe in that Shit. So finally talked him into going into the Gypsies and there are candles everywhere. She looks at his parliament she's like you masturbate a lot. And she this out after that so You just told me should've readable. Yeah. That was the question was, what's your when they said? So you got married quick, that's why I want to know a lot of dudes out there like doing I want to have one more I want to have a three an orgy. I want to go out there and have fun or going to singles cruise. I WANNA fuck and go on Tinder WanNa do all that shit and I wanted to have one night stands I wanted to meet people. That's what they're doing these days honestly. If it happens it happens if it doesn't say, Fuck Yeah. Cool. I like the way he does that question I. Good. Those ask. Those you want dodger to gopher. Obscene. I mean he's he's. On a calculator. Already had my life before now. Some good. So already lived my life well into what thirty s okay. I'm happy. Would I got now? You identify as non binary then. Happy with my girl she's not need I. Want to know something she has never had a one nice that. Never never. They're not as fun is as people think they are honestly. never had that never craved just want to meet someone you gotTa wake up with that person in the morning. Yeah. Like you see what they really look like. Yeah, you do sometimes good. That'd be a Dick. Move Lean. PUCCA. fucked up, you gotta stay though. You Ain't. GonNa risk those. Four four Uber and Shit. Thanks original Dui for no fucking for no Well, the reason I ask is because you guys are now you know you're married BUREAUC- communities talking about getting married committed in. Love. So there's a lot of partners out there. That are still trying to play the field. You know do all that Shit but at what point? Does it doesn't matter. You know. Is it because you've had a lot in your pass where you're like I don't need it anymore. Do they have to do that? Do they have to do that before they get into a fool released today? So some people they could fall in love with the first person they may be so I mean, but if you don't like a mean. Girls going to be there. So yeah, you can join them if he if he wants to have not. True story though I know a guy where he used to play a lot of fortnight and he met this one guy right and they hit it off. Year, and they're like dude, we should hook up we should play together. We should party you know, and then the ends up dude ends up living in Vegas and it became there were four night, but he's right or at night. So they ended up having a fortnight stand. Out and love to. Love to fuck and finally hear the story railway. Check. To nine. Hand if you. Will Not a one night stand. This is a fortnight plenty of. Different there's plenty of fish in the four-day out. He. Online on four night voice. Are you any good? Good. Tournaments down or what's your ranking? Shit rating he's. Talking Shit, all the ten euros insists. PUKES yet. To make me read much talk. Hooker Dan. Do. I Wanna I wanna read the fortnight transcripts. Me My me and my wife take the banks. In just. So happens that one of my boys that I plan on line with. Lives up. Vegas okay, down. From. Oregon Vegas my boy look have you. Have you met him? No never met him. Never met him. Never met him blind for nine days. So with your wife, my wife. Down to. Cranking up. Do. I know this his whole life and never. Ever. A day out the fucking Vegas and then I hit the whole aero, we're in town. Later. Champagne re at forty, Forty Club at eight o'clock tonight. Seven Kobe. Sure what made you call it to your wife like? Lord night does. Handle. Play. What's his? Love flicked my being. Shish. Hope. You'RE GONNA talk to my Boyf- meetable my boy flick my being real. Quick. Overnight blackjack on the you know who knows you only through forty nine? Uh. ABOR, over town. But wasn't name again leaked. Venus that's cool. Man I. Think if it is like rubbing the clitoris this away I think. So you were saying. Don't. All right cool Lincoln. Clue. So we ended up hitting them of the night and then we. Met. At a restaurant hung out chill eight and I went back to the to the hotel motel. We back to your room. He brought his playstation Dick. There we're GONNA play. Play. Screen has. WIFI about the place Saint Screen Shit. Explicit. Anyway. We're fighting during it and then we're five inches challenge and. You Yada you just gotTa Yatta. Yatta. Yeah. We just we had a good night. We played fortnight nine, Yada Yada Yada I had eggs. Hey. Hey. Watch Seinfeld. Stated I. Thought. Black. Don't do it. More two more sheriff fucking ticket shot who starts going to be playing four nine with big. Walmart handle is flicked mainly last. Last Big Three They didn't sign that fucking as you can't get them to like. Bill. But Buddy for you guys plays four nine all night. Bugging. Had Drinks. Did he take his lady you had dinner you serve breakfast in the morning. Was He fourteen? He's a number one player in the West Coast. GimMe. GimMe Joke you mean minute be to squad. Is, what's his name again it was my my. Being you paying attention to this homey. You Oh shit. You're GONNA let. Big Goes to the most partners. Flick my being. Dope story, right the eight boat shot to you. Usually what happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, but for fortnight, the rules don't apply. I just started playing four nine recently with my my kids. And they say reach say the same thing off I'm better on a single screen split screens shit is bullshit. You see everything sniping skills enough to fucking hate for nine Bro, you mind for like ten minutes you finally ready to kill some of the because you've got all your guns they die like within two seconds hate. Bill the fucking billion over and over and over and over and over and. Knowing what about call of duty? There's a new one, right? That's just what it would be pretty dopey. Then again that's cool. Yeah, I used to. I used to buy them religiously like all the call of duty. No wonder if like funnest games a play. I like playing a it's or NHL Hockey do or That's fun. I'm thinking about getting a either the new. Or does it ps five or Xbox is what do you recommend? Really xbox Oh shit. You got opposites attract you guys were all this debate way better machine. You guys ever like go out and you wearing the same dress you need to change no, you need. To wear that lives there. So you say, Xbox, you say ps fire can you give me an argument for other finals water by the is coming out soon I mean Do PS is all time greatest sales of all time? WHO Over extra? was twisted metal and. Got To ps five what year was. That snake snap biscuits who who was here. The dove game. Yeah about ps two but then halo came out Halo Halo came out. xbox focused xbox. The you can play the backwards compatibility. Hey. That was. The backwards, compatibility would be gave. Chick. Hey you know what they should. Turn Life Teaching. Metlife. Vaccines in fact, she played xbox and playstation. Gamer by the winter. AM. Perusal guys ever had a June casts yeah. True. Ted Do virtual tennis I had the. Caveat one. Richardson Shit for days. So caliber or MARV's captain or two or three. I remember when I got my first Sega Genesis Oh. So I had the genesis sonic, the Hedgehog, the adapter at a swamy dude you remember that remember that game. Genesis and then I became. Sega. What was that game were the beast where they keep your little weird vs worse, and you start turning into a beast wars now that's. Piece wars. He's snowed now these words. Saying beast wars. It's a bloody roar. No, no no. It's a like a when you die you turn into a regular man but you keep as you keep going it's called the Faulk Bee's master it's called master together spending. Human and then you hit a certain button into those BS fire. It's a debate. We're GONNA be talking about for. The upper hand on Fighting Games Always On. On No Internet online shit. Sports. On everything. I've picture these two motherfuckers like eighty years old still debating. When I was younger. Altered piece. Of Big. A sex tape altered beast. Alter it is it is always talking shit talking shit talk you. Me Strict Credit Homey. So the next topic, I want to get into. A beer? Honestly during these quarantine days, there's a lot of things that are coming up especially now that you live with your girl eight of you you've been married for a while but plus I've been working with bigger for since the entire time when the quarantine started. So what what little fucking little pet peeves you know just just fucking get on your nerves shit like what? What out there and how do you? How do you overcome them of? People that are crossing the street that don't look when incoming oncoming traffic coming in just like texting or would just just. Automatically, assume they're right away. Possessions. Do you think you're better than me because you're walking in the street looking for? Look up acknowledged me because I crash. Yeah. Okay. So, your pet peeve is people walking on the street not looking looking. Okay. So you have the choice there sounds like you have a choice whether or not keep going and it pisses you off that you need to stop your pg on your vehicle is lowered tenfold syncing run over your ass. Tennis. Shit what do you think is what about you? Pana minds will probably be like with the whole corona virus going on like people mass people don't wear the mask or covering a mouths coughing or not even to stay like six feet away get the store. Walmart you've seen put my stuff on the on the little conveyor belt with somebody standing directly behind him like a dirty liquid you dislike. Coming just I don't really been enough but I'm a nice guy. But that kind of bothers me like turns around he's like six feet. He's supposed to be on the little little sticker were says, six feet away. You don't own that Sir, the World Health Organization and the CDC both recommend you get the fuck away from me. I don't want to catch the virus you scared that Shit. Scared I just I don't want nobody to get that Shit Yeah. His daily is one of those things man it's like life fucking with you. You know you don't see. You don't feel it but you could kill motherfucker. That is some crazy shit. Homes lot of power to have. It's like crazy. It's weird. Yes. Okay. I mean when we're older, do you think they're still gonna be shit like this going around they say that we're going to be wearing masks for a long time looking at China they've had some SARS all that shit and they're still fucking people wearing masks out there is gonNa be our new livelihood and what would be your dream mask if that's the case I'm going to add onto that because if you. If you ever went to like a any kind of like casinos. It should be more aware mass. No matter what. They don't like the smoke in the atmosphere, but you know even in public, they're wearing masks so. A. Little, a be looking high with us you know. This is where your hot is the Muslims did it right? Yeah. Again. 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Filled Rights Bro so What's your pet peeves? My pet peeve is like when we should grow you say p. P P. Peeve Pete. FUCKED YOU PARTNER ORALLY We're cannot buy for. My pet peeve. IS A. Girl Right. He told me Yo this bomb tonight eat whatever pick whatever you want. Many don't bring. Whatever you want. We tell me at the end. No. uh-huh. Yeah. I'm the hungry. Okay you sir. Jink Oh you sir right and I'm like, all right I'm GONNA fucking. All My shit that I wanNA eat by myself. and. And then you get your muck motherfucking dish and your position yourself not ready ready. Four theory and then you grow be looking like only get some that you don't pick my fucking. Like my food. Especially when I said I'll get you ever. You want pick whatever you allow ample time. So. For the last minute it was like you get everything you want get it to some Tessema fuck want the moon I'll throw a lasso over and. That's eat thing. That's really on their buzzer. That's a big issue. That's never. A debate been going on since Caveman who expect that? Source Berg but I I. Ordered it if. Don't I said shop. So if you could bottom so but don't get my soul. Out Though. Reach on your planes. Let's see. Do that. She orders. But. She Orders Bushy saying. As you said I don't want nothing I'm not hungry. Then, you wouldn't pick up. For sure. God with. Is. So, dry. Donate. You when you haven't. You haven't had that happened. I, don't I don't want that Hungary or. No Shit she orders she ordered for you. Zakho. Steak. The real challenge we were sitting there at at the birthday party we went to Denny's. Ordered everybody's meal at the table. Shit. Bro I WANNA be like that I always want to do that or did this man is What I wanted to? Get. A. Jew, I get I get it. He couldn't get I get I. Get a he gets. Sounds like you got a story to tell. Does that for me all the time she orders from you. So they. Took, concierge your. Baby. I don't know what I WANNA. Do Day you're going to have fun by going to antiquing with me too. Yeah. That sounds dumb. That's hill. That's I think that's how. You do things you do everything that you love to do everything like to do too good question. Nobody does especially when you get a compromise, you gotTA cover my way. Yeah I mean that's why big ailing too fingers deep. I. Just two. Guys Got A. Relic. Nails pro really they like they don't break off she put the coffins on. Do you guys like cream pie? What the? Screenplay I never heard of that nut in that Shit what is The. Name. I looked it up when you gotTa talk and I looked it up. So basically is basically overflown the pussy with com-. Usually that's you know my situation because our filner all the time and if also. So much much. how much water do you drink a day Court own. Brothers yes. Accident Accident of echo the court. Act Seventeen four, I think it was a third line in that scene. Hosted hose boats and hold the painted the Nina the sentiment area. Cream, pie wants his body is no longer part of you. Point. That's her problem. I think he has. I, think he has a good system. GonNa Jesus Hobart's neck. 'cause you talk shopping older. fucking candies earn his cup look at this ship. Gosh. Guys guys use your golden ticket and this fucking distracting me right now and I can't. That's too much. Bro That's way too much. It's a we're not talking about recipes are GonNa Drink your candy not much. So that was a great topic as usual. We get into some crazy shit pet peeves right one. If you do hit us up on the DM, we'll talk about it will bring it up also hit us up on the voice mail. If you go to our show notes, you can go to the details of any episode read the description of the episode and the bottom. It will say click here to leave a voicemail it's GonNa take you anchor FM. Serious. Make a little fucking password and then from there on could always leave us a voicemail. We could even put it on the show. 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Middle School High School I was taking our class. Throughout all my school years and because I wanted to be just like my dad, my dad was a bad ass jar. But then when it came to a point where my mom was like your Gert, you're better than your dad when I was drawing who really goes 'cause doubt always traced I. was like Damn that was mind blowing to me at at a time when I was young how old are you when you phoned up shit man I was like. Sixteen seventeen o should that was pretty long. Long Time. At a young age when I was like six or seven go. Like. Man My dad's pass. Time in my eyes. So when I was drawing, I was getting better. I was drawing in middle school. I was drawing pictures though plugging my heart. Got To catch them all your dad by tracing actually inspired you to be better than what you would normally have been xactly though. Once, I got to high school and I was fucking doing south portrait's Shit. Memos like man you're better than your dad I was there's no way because my dad was a a jar. Then my mom was like no actually your dad was tracing everything that he had the There's no fucking way because my dad was as bad as you're on she was like know your dad traced. Did you confront them or because my dad was killed when I was twelve? P Bro, my data, what was his name? Raymond. Ray Lucia. My Dad was killed three days before my birthday. Few weeks. Forefathers was murder yet. Yeah, we're getting a little debate bill. Right now From then till now I was just like you know what? I've always I can't that as A. As a hobby. So you didn't know he traced into after you was. The fact hold are you I was twelve when my dad was killed bug and three days before they didn't find out till the drawing tracing teams I seventeen. A few years later. Down like. Like man I was this you know I was inspired by my dad but at the same time I was motivating you better. Destined to be better than how did you ever like wonder you know why he never told you or that ever crossed your mind on. Do wish I would have known or was it anything beyond the murder part that came up like I wish I would've knew this shit about it to mind until after the fact bows just like you know what? I don't think my doubt would've? Would've been. Discouraged if I was better than him, you know what I'm saying even as my youngest son, he loves the JAW. My son. Presto do. LOVES THE DRAMA DOES AND he? He's a bad, ass. Bitch. So from then till now, I'm just like man like. I am somewhat of an artist and then when my son, my youngest son, Romeo, he sees my drawings and then now he's drawing and painting song just down like like he's going to follow my first as as as how old do he's ten years on. So when are you going to tell them about your dad eventually when he starts to understand Either suny maybe. Eventually outbreak. You told me like a you know what? This happened for dope story man it's crazy. So going forward I wish I mean I jaw now because I never lost that talent. So I, wish that my son now would be better than me, but you also have the connection with your dad even though he's no longer here because you do what he did. Exactly. That's so dope dude a lot of people don't have that people hold onto some random shit it's a connection, but it's not something you're living breathing and doing every day. If you don't mind me asking how'd how did he pass? was. Lost in the world with drugs and he was killed kind of drugs. Relief aid speed whatever the case So he was shot and killed three days before my birthday and when that happened. I didn't I didn't feel anything. When the news was brought to me, remember this was three days before my birthday. June. Six, he was killed June second. Yeah. For June third caroline. Nine trump. But Yeah my dad loves murdered. Three days before my birthday and they told you that as you during the whole thing in real time or they told you later no, they told me the next day while right before school was ending the twelve year old. Yeah exactly do so twelve thirteen. I wasn't really in a downward spiral I was still trying to. Register happen in my lifetime. Crazy. We're just not the ever catch the guy or gal honestly on my uncles told me. About it other than that and I mean question that you never thought about it to this day I still do the every day like sixteen seventeen years later I still think about it and I it it. It hurts you know still when I go to and everything. So I'm not trying to get too deep into that for the podcast but not three rules cooter. Yeah. Well, I mean, there's people out there. Paying too of course. ME. My position everybody will scare for me because they didn't know how to react to. So everybody treat you different. Yes. and I didn't know how to adjust to it. You Know My dad was. Holy. Shit. Was Shot in the back of the head currency should stop so. Down like from then till now, I feel like every time job on the fucking freeway. I feel like I'm going get kicked out the same way that my daddy freeway. I don't know why. It's just nuts, right? That's. A. Lot of people out there that have similar. There are affected by that similarly, but this crazy man and I really WanNa. Thank you for sharing that because of partners out there they don't have people they don't I mean, do you tell this with have you told your wife is? She she hall source. Yeah. She knows everything you know your home is no all this. Talk about it constantly, it's good to talk about especially if you're still thinking about to this day. If you're still worried about somebody shooting in the back of you gotTa talk about these things. So I appreciate humanity sharing Bro I know my Asia for the regular like. Like tonight like really last year. You're already upon now but as your raw flooding disappointed for dog raw raw, the same circle so. You know like the whole goes like aside from us as having a good time and you know like. Share themes that people can relate to because like who's to say that something you bring up someone who can relate to that kind of like. Make them relate to where they feel like they're not alone. So. Hopefully hopefully, nobody's went through the same shit that I went through when I was young you know being being that your dad was murdered three days before your birthday, right? Hopefully nobody's ever came. To that in her life so it's it's real Israel deep when it gets to that show the that's that's the thing that we really have. We appreciate more this platform because it's like. The channel that were that we are you know that we have luxury to write. This goes to you know all the states different countries. And people who are in these countries or states I think the A. No one that they communicate with on dating basis can relate to you, right? Yeah. So do them hearing through comedy and US. You know we're just trying to have a good time and we bring up these topics making late to. It it brings more like. Assurance like okay. Like I'm not the only one that alone. Yeah. So big as trying to say is that's what the what a partner podcasts is all about. We get faded we get fucked up, but we don't forget where we came from. We don't forget who we are what makes us who we are what molded us into we who we are I mean when you should have seen big as a kid he was moldy? Pizza wheat. Bread. Mold and Shit, and then he grew up into some buffed bad ass motherfucker. With a beard to the beard part of the. Like. Back, and this is some real shit like in my life Rahmat like scenes that happened before tonight they had to happen, right? Yep. For me to grow in different level mentally to kind of like understand step back. So like they have to happen for me to be able to talk to you guys now I think about it like if at a state at Cedar, my words literally piece because that's what we WANNA be peaceful. We don't want to judge others to you know what I really wanted to just. Be. There and and understand everybody's different. You know if if. A hen fallen madly in love for being in the zone. Wouldn't be here today. Did. Earlier. Would you getting in the? He was getting ready earlier he was. Curling eyelash. saw. Fun, Tonight Dave, do you have your phone? Do you have your? Charger. Never, happened is four would've been dead already been able to connect with you. Wouldn't have been here to know but you have to. The year. Honestly shoe like the state of mind you're out those. Great fucking. Great. Conversation. So I want to hear from made What do you mean? What? What was it from you? When you were a kid honestly I felt like I've always had a strong connection with music honestly dope. All right. I mean when I was younger like my used to go to my grandma's house music was like dance music, hip hop or PUNK say Oh, school my grandma used to play records and stuff with me, my brothers and sisters and. My cousins would dance and stuff My Dad and my mom will play music dances. No lyricist. I've always been involved with music size favorites of all time all time, and that's that's that's that's a law I mean my favorite person listened with fifty cents so I have to go with. That I I. Do be the one one of the great this club though of me and partner we used to be bouncers what he's. At the Palace Aka Avalon set all the setback there if they win over. Ten years who we are right. But this food had his his ride. The fucking get richer died trying to all the time all the time it was. The first person to say for dissent we've had this conversation. Like He did so well of like his flow were like. A movie. Sent like, did he write to the beats or he already had this? Do let me speak for overdoses. You GotTa angry translator or hip by translated on. My boy drew. Base his life. OFF A fifty cent? No Shit. Yes. Lives. Up to your pockets, you got fifty cents in the motherfuckers. Do every. Thing to every time I look at my account balances always like one hundred and fifty six. Thousand. says. Why not like if you go There to see what he means. By that. Would Raimi's Ohio. I see that with fifty cent went through like. You cannot that point not hold back. You've ever been shopping gopher you know have shoot you know. I WANNA. I WanNa live my life just like I didn't WanNa get shot up so. Cower. Came out later right? That's a key race came out like oh Fire Four, he came out in two thousand and three what what about Rachel or that? He was like ninety nine. If you want to be technical when Columbia you knew about him before then you know about them and ninety nine issues like two thousand one i. knew about them Damn Shot. So was there noticeable difference in his way you can tell before he got shot and different? Yeah. He stops since then why is that what you gotta taste. As me and my throat. This you I haven't idea. You don't even talking to the mic Bro you're fucking out the show. Bernard. recorded. Yes. laughing. You have to excuse big UNSTRAP says Bra. Just relaxed and taking off your shoes. No more. Workout okay. Sports Bras were sports broad that where you don't want strategy. Fifty. Cents influenced you to be a rapper or just a music in general knock because I was already kind of interact before fifty cent but was it before that I was probably. Just, listening to my parents doesn't like my dad listens to L. O. J. School rap man easy unlv line favorite could who has that He was your favorite it's owed. It's a it's an old school. One to know rather can rap quite like I can put a muscle Bam man and put his face in the sand. Jesus, Christ? That's your heart. That was dope. That was dope. My favorite. J.. Was My cousin. He had a fucking low rider, sixty, six and Paula. Every time I was in the back. You know how big those benches work? Yeah. He had speaker on the fucking back seat and you had to sit like this and the whole speaker took the whole fucking bags eaten yet your hand on it and Shit. Kidney. vibrating. Five minutes. Luna Maroon themselves there at the wall, and then back in my mind, the here were conscious call. Barrel right I learned how to play that particular song. That was. Just. Go F- Gina the name of a market is I could show you go tell you Taps to. Number. Paradise Paradise is very. Good. Life though. I like to what you guys are looking. Reminded me a solid I forget. That He told me you know music software big eight who you what was it? What's your favorite be right. I know his favorite song of all time. Give you a clue. Let's play a game, right? Okay. So big as favorite song. The band has to literally two characters in the title and they're not from the US. And they're fucking world famous it fuck who is it? It's a man. an area music video and they're still going strong today. I mean they're like, Hey, you wonder what is Holy Shit? You've got. Bigger, you got to take a shot. Guys so Scared. What's a favorite song from you to see the story Oh said What the what you've never heard you I heard of them is. A music without choose cigarette you notice with. Choose. People. Dance. How did you guess you to? Talk? You gave me was a Yeah, that was fucking. That was like you know some generation he was. Song titles nothing to your. I read your mind. Don't we connected know my favorite song. What you guys go to carry on Guitar My go-to is always something wrapped like I. Do Snoop. Dogg. Jinadu's Oh. Shit. GimMe the lyrics go is hard. It's not as. Much drama in the LBC, it's hard being radio double G.. Somehow some way, keep coming up a funky as it's like every single day. kick a little something for the GS and make though there's a breeze through to in the money the party still jump because. We're. Living Room game, their own and they leave. So six. Excellent. What you? WanNa do shit. I got a fuller rubber. Due to. Lights and close at DOE. We Love All Out said this Jesus opposed down ended up. Pocket Dope. Is. Partner change now. Karaoke you've got to hit it I, can answer for. Shit. Whatever you say. Kelly Clarkson does. Donna has got to be honeywell you. ME. It's Kinda hard to to opera. Way. Putting my Uncle Jesse for house. Yes, he's you. Your time with Jesse. How are you gonNA compare him to Jesse and the rippers from four hundred. That was that was dope broke jazz. Michelle, we don't hit each other. We love each other. We're a family. Yes. Yes. I, knock on my boys band I live in the basement boom. Up Girls and listen to the show she was gonNA sing to her right now on hidden playing hard Oh shit. Playing. Last. We probably. were. Ace of base. nucleus on the block NC back sheep. By note, I know those songs but. So She came up to you say. I want you to sing me a song right now or we're through it's over if you don't say. I'm bobby. Play. Don't you change this On now. They started looking into each other's eyes. We're seeing. Did you guys have the same heartbeat? Your Mata sync up for a couple of. Those dope of dope the last the last part of the show we're going to close it out. Simple right we were talking about being kids that led us into some crazy fucking random karaoke. But you know what I've been thinking lately is been watching a lot of cop shows. Nowadays they make the villains. Look cool. You know like when you're a kid, you ever play cops and robbers. Yeah. So right has got caught I'm GonNa give you give you a hypothetical hypothetical question. If you had a chance to be a cop like a mediocre cop, you know you walk the beat, you give tickets you arrest random people like a normal motherfucker never really having any high action or would you be Gopi? WOULD YOU BE? Would you be a dope ass robber from your younger days cops and robbers. Would you be a dope best criminal that never got? Or what kind of Kabul's is. In a in a bad movie like. Training Day. Okay. So what would it be? Condenser in training would be. Ain't got nothing you'll be. Be Alonzo be. You will you? Give me a give me A. He's fucking even Mendez I I, think I would do the same. You know rookie cop. Yeah. All right. He's looking like you motherfucker. Bass fucking bag. He was. He was Pelican Bay. I would be like a dope as criminal 'cause I want to give to my people know saying like. Marcia insane like the Hood Robin. Hood like that's real shit. Favor of you got a cop in a movie. That's a good one travolta face off. motherfucker. Had another face on. Wife Played Nicholas. Cage that's hard to do you. Can Act for shit. That's hard to do. CON Air. act like. A. Bad. Connor. Though the Death rate per one eight would it be? Would it be copper robber? Would you do? somebody robber homing Ocean Capo me. I. Don't know what that means, but it sounds cool. He's Going to be a comment Robert. Steal from both homing. Both that that that wraps up folks. We had a great time tonight. We're we're almost fucking. Several hours of non-stop. Sex Tulsa. Really, natural, let's let's do it like we always do. All right. Let's start it off with a DUB DUB. There's a lot of people out there that want to know what motivates you. What are you GonNa? Tell the pilots out there will give us some words of wisdom. Motivation and you're talking to everybody just you're talking to the whole fucking world right there. If you had a microphone and everybody in the world can hear it right now. What would you make sure you have God number one in the in the leadership of all things in life you know. So we're talking about the whole world not everybody believes whatever you believe in your there's there's some kind of created that you got to believe that the. World started from something. So whatever your higher belief is start with their and then your mind is whatever you set your mind to just just follow through because you'll be surprised. Would you put yourself through? It's not easy. It sounds easy but it's not. So what do you tell those people that are like yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You're just all talk. I've done I've said it before, but I've never done it with the people that you just got us. This follow through not give up he's GonNa, get hard and it's it's the you know how do you make diamonds with pressure? So you that's you gotta pursue through the hard times and how you're going to to get through the good time to the hard times you know saying what a good time is without getting through the hard times. So you gotta go through some shit packs don't be afraid to go to scenario through some to realize what you got you. So I I believe in one hundred percent. Winners out there was never fucking loser facts just born you're not born a winner. You GotTa start somewhere. Yeah. What. He does to the most on that one I appreciate. So Ray Ray what's your words of Wisdom Today Patna? Stay positive. Like I'm pregnant. On a stick and then. Like. Magic Johnson HIV Toe Shit. AIDS syllabi life. No. That makes sense. That makes sense. Did you hear about the guy who was cured from AIDS? He's in remission right? The first every is Brazilian. He did some experimental shit. Dope about a year is with no. No got rid should actually. Yeah. I don't even know if we're GONNA eat also. So you're so you're saying stay positive. Positive everything you do no matter what. Even, me as a person, there's a lot of a downfall at the same time. You always got know that if you don't stay positive, then why keep on You know like a white wife stop. You know like you always have to keep going. If you don't, then what's the point? You know. At least I believing. Don't stop. Dante. All those fills breaking this on. This was that's why I love. Listening, to the podcast because they always break into song every time something goes up do every time they come up with a song like do. That though, Yeah. That's what you were talking about when you were a kid everything. In mid pocket, I could start seeing classic song everybody will join in on ready five, four, three, two, one. I guess you say what can make This way Pay. Movies. that. If you're not seeing today. Singing, along to that. There's some reason to go over and fuck you up. Your fucking God knows. You, ain't got your mind right if you. Don't WANNA partners. In the middle of a segment you filming you ain't living. So you guys are his right how often you guys break in a song like that man On the way over here on you guys fighting over the station I don't want that. Channel and always a song it's always a movie quote. It's always. Regular language don't think. Just, movie quotes Mood Music on it though at one point whenever. His House and he he leads up into a quote I, finish it and and his girlfriend at the time was just like, oh, just. Just to in SYNC, Avonex? WHO's? Justin Timberlake. Unknown though. I feel the same way man hey, that's the whole point of the water. No that's why I'm glad you brought that up I'm glad you guys are still bringing in the songs together. If you don't have a partner that you could breakout songs with you got your right here. We're going to continue to break out in the music when it continue to break out into hives when big AIDS the wrong. 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RHOP: Sip and See You In Court

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RHOP: Sip and See You In Court

"It was. Crafted. have been sweat as much. S. So much. Well Hello, and welcome to watch crap in the podcast for all that crap just loved his talk about on Yale Brovst I'm Ronnie Karam used my little partner in crime is here Mr. Ben. Mandel Ohka how are you been I'm great. Thanks. How are you? I'm doing so great. Oh. God. Love hearing that yes, everything's sarcastically but doing great I mean why not I'm not dad I mean I'm still here get. That's important. That's important. Potomac Day which we love before we get into that just want to do a couple of plugs. We just started our new show for stitcher premium and it is called dwell hello and it's recaps of house hunters 'cause that so is just I mean it's rife with people to make fun of. So we're having a really good time doing that you can hear the first episode for Free Right now anywhere on her feet and if you like sign up for stitcher premium, use the code word crap. 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So that's the read the reality Reading Rainbow Apple podcasts, and then our friends artie and Noor are doing a reality show podcast called the reality is and just search for that I'm serve you can find that everywhere he find podcast. What do I know it's a podcast about their problematic love for reality TV. Oh dear, a lot of content there I'm sure. Well, we we firmly believe that a rising tide lifts although sale. You know we're all about spreading that podcast love podcasts have changed our life and so hopefully, this health everyone who's embarking on a podcast is. Is is you know like going on a great journey as well and asked Jeremy? Keep at it. You know like have have have a blast and by the way if you're thinking about starting a podcast, don't wait to start it. Don't just people will give you a lot of advice be like, well, you got to do this and that you got to consult Angela Lansbury and make sure you get five envelope for your office just started just started and then see where it takes yet. Okay. Well, today is the real housewives. So put show-me. ooh. It was a very scary episode. Don't really remember why but I do remember a group of dough running like crazy in this episode during year and raise talks they were delivered nuts. They're actually bucks. You know that they had the antlers because does now have, but you know but I'm sure there were some does that were also running around that. We just didn't see because the bucks were of course stealing the spotlight classic classic men, classic male deer stealing the spotlight from the does they just can't handle Karen being a public figure. I don't. WanNa be around that public figure she's making this looks small. Look at that public figure walking down the suburban road in her. Pants that's a public figure. WE CAN'T BE NEAR RUN BACH run. Public figure. So we open at Wendy's house and the kids are like member when your water broke. Mommy Oh. My God I'm so glad I don't remember when my mother's water broke I'm sure smelled like Francia. Clean, an ex you like did someone drop the angry the bottles angry just I'm sure when my sister came out, you had to press like a little plastic spout and she's just kind of. An Edge. I came out with like a menthol Benson and hedges so. So. Yes. So Wendy is so she's just reminiscing about how she's when she had her baby girl Cameron and they're gonNA be having a sip and and she wants me by women to be there then the women that she wants to have it or Cincy are the women that she wants cameras to be when she's older. So I've no idea why the show was actually filming this. Scene sorting? Seems to be at odds with what her goals are the sip and see but okay. Okay. So I've invited Dolly Parton Michelle Obama and Bette Midler. I'm inviting I'm inviting any Lennox Linda Fiorentino. Diane Wastes make till all the women who are in bullets. L. Tracey Ullman. Until he thought about the Tel de Falco she was technically in that. Yeah we'll all of them. I'm sure there's some missing Jennifer Aniston not because I her so much just because I have to if she really talks like that or if it's face and also have to ask her, she really uses Avena because I'm not buying Jennifer, non buying it. I don't want her hawking smart water. You should be up at the SIP and see and say, well, as long as you're sipping have some smart water Jennifer Aniston this is not your event, but I would invite reese witherspoon. Have you seen Jennifer Aniston's new Vienna commercial where she's like Oh my God? You're just an average person. Is just always striving for you. I'm like fuck off. Typically. Do you have crocodile-skin. About Islam and it's like. Well. Okay. So they're talking about the sippy now girl I don't know if it's just Texas but every sippy I've been to his terrifying is a bunch of drunk ask people passing Roger Your little newborn sack of Gu don't do that. That's not very. Good idea. Yeah this I have never felt like the idea of cities mainly because I just don't like babies I'm sorry I just don't like them I. don't like holding babies I. Don't like the idea of having to hold a baby and pretend like I care that much. It's like send me a photo and that'll be at one one photo and cap it off at the one photo and I'm fine. I love a baby island especially when I'm drunk 'cause you know you talk to the baby and then. SAFAI SIP SIPI. But they're terrifying as a as a responsible parent. I Say Stop Zippy's dangerous well I. Feel like especially. If you're having SIP. antsy. During pandemic, then you really are like, you really should like the the only thing I I don't know what's worse ascendancy or a gender reveal gender reveals worse. I mean, what am I even saying gender reveals towards General reveals actually start forest fires and you know. But I just I just don't like. What can I. Just don't like one. allowed. So they are talking about at family because they have spoken at his family still and he's like well I guess I'll invite them but I doubt they're going to come and Wendy tells us how their moms are both pillars in the Nigerian community and his mom is just intimidated by her mom so. that. Yeah I'm sure I'm sure Eddie's mom loved seeing that on TV about how she was so intimidated by windies mom. Yeah, so much way to heal them. Yeah. I think someone from his family went to the blogs this week this past week and they were saying you know Wendy, and Eddie our trash and they are terrible with money and they all this money and Baba it's like well, yeah I mean she has four degrees I mean that's it's called student debt like you're really gonNA same somebody for being educated. Really. It was literally the most idiotic article I can't. I can't even believe anyone even printed it. It was like she has student at the. Welcome to like ninety, five percent of America. It feels like I don't know what the stats are. Dead is not a scandal student that's not even news. Wow. Also debt that honestly debt is really not an is not new people have debt like people have monthly data have. Yearly Dad somehow like lots of debt but like student debt relax relax. Whatever blog post of that? Yet Education Shamar. I'm sad that read that article. Me Too but you know what? That's a weekend when you love Bravo, you just read any kind of shit they put out there. I've read so much trashes week. seriously. So I read I read something about Robin Dixon Making Crumbs with their skull and like Rob Dixon was spotted leaving crumbs pigeons with her scorned. Okay. So then we go to Ashley and Michael Going to a very deep and important marriage counselor visit I guess her yeah. That may have been held at an airport I think I noticed that when they were waiting outside there was a big sign that said business lounge like are they at Dulles? Just getting, they're just getting screened. They're just waiting to go through the X. Ray yeah. So this is Dr Donald Schwartz and she's to get to the bottom of this. So she's like so Michael had counseling before he's like yes? Yes. All have I was canceled stripper at the MGM Casino and I feel like I learned lots or was canceled that I'm very handsome fellow and I would be even more handsome if I put a twenty dollar bill between two Bubis which are did thank you very she's like. Could you please put your hands up Michael Over your head spread your legs me, Wide Pot. Okay. You have a tracker up your Butthole I'm just Going to be hard to let you through here. We should actually it but hold on Michael. We the one of the big things that broke over the passerby. Now, this is good gossip. This is amazing because it was right under our noses for years. A someone was I wanNA say listener but it may not be a listener I. think it was a listener but listeners sister at least. was watching from season one Potomac and was just watch a party scene I. think it was the same party where Michael groped. Andrew. But and there's just a scene happening and this viewer this person saw in the background blurred out not blurred apple like out because it's out of focus because in the background. Michael. Going up to what looks like a production member and just grabbing the guy by the ass and it's like blade it's right there and has always been there and everyone's going nuts about it and it was so deeply satisfying to watch it to have like really really does a Great Video Evans Michael Grabbing and and About it yes. I. Think it was on read it and yeah, it's like Michael running up behind him and grabbing his ass the guy you know jumping up and Michael laughing alcohol got Ya boom. So. There it is. Everybody. Shocking. So Donna Schwartz. It's like, so what's your agenda today coming in here and she's like well, he hadn't indiscretion. No, he did not have any discretion he cheated on your ass with the stripper some hotel. Okay. Can We? Can we not can we with indiscretions mark. I don't need you to up sell this to me. Okay. He cheated on your ass again exactly. Some things about our lifestyle are nontraditional like what you don't want a Christmas tree. Gallon is that what it is I don't know stop selling your city life. Okay. You say this low down dirty motherfucker cheated on me and he's only supposed to cheat on me in front of me Kate exact. And she says, she's worried about this will happen again and and it's just something that she doesn't want him to do anymore. So he goes well, what you're saying is the baby created restrictions, and by the way he says baby a lot in this game and every time he says that I laughed he's like what you're saying is the by ebay created restrictions and Audio to him and I were to you because we do have a baby and you feel differently because the Bibey and I'm not saying that I blame the Bibey. But I am pointing out that because the by have different sex life now by ib by it's all because of the baby he gets pulled over and he'll be like, oh, I have the by be officer. Totally. Don't get a ticket now sir. Yeah. I think what he's saying is you wanted to baby or did not want to baby or gave you a baby imagine mad and I can't do anything because you have a stupid baby and we can't have sex with other people because many say babies changed you and it's not fair. You could see the underlying. Underlying argument he's like flirting. He's like flirting with the idea of blaming the baby. He's sort of like suggesting it, but he doesn't want to be that guy that blames the baby. Because, who should blame the baby but but yeah, you can tell really he really i. think he wants therapist to say in many ways. It seems like this baby has changed everything she said it not may I didn't blame the Bibey. Dr Tone Adid. Yeah. was like a little kid screaming in the mall and you finally just buy them something because they're screaming so much and then they just want more shit like you can't just keep asking for stuff I'm sorry you can't just soak people Michael you can't exactly and so ashes life. Well, I have changed I've changed so much since the by be raw since the baby let the let the colts now that she's time since the by A. Arming. Can you believe that she said Margot? Will you change the baby and I said having enough by me? either. So the doctors like so could you tell me Michael I just want to understand why this happened? Could you explain it and he's like? In his eyes start watering in that I'm about to lie Voi-. Well lots of reasons we could go back to my father and what he did to the family and things going on with me because of where we are now baby baby, you know what you push out a baby and then the baby purchase me out. Oh. Awesome. That movie look who's talking the process to find that only what one. But she was on the seat I was already getting pushed out. All right. Listen our need you to be on my side. So I'm going to remind you that Tom Kirstie Alley was in a movie about a baby pushing me at or on. So they are you on my sawed yet. Every time I listened to baby baby by grant I actually fall out of my chair I get fully pushed off my. Guess what I will put baby in a corner. Jennifer Gray and I don't WanNa. Hear any lip from you. All right. Did. You know that even though by Baby Miami grant is terrible TLC actually edited by be to have a song called baby baby baby I mean really I mean, what am I even here on this show in this world? So he blames his dad you know this is classic like you just go in like my dad was me to be. Like said, does that make you feel overwhelmed misunderstood Michael? He's like well, what it makes me feel is it complete relation and she's like, wow, look good him opening up all my God complete isolation Michael Well Don. Okay. Everything's fix everyone's in everyone should like my husband again he was sensitive right now. I just want to point out that I, Dr Donald Schwartz look exactly like. The lease Barbara from real housewives of New York merged together. I'm every single friend of from the real housewives of New York. Every front of it's all in me on every fan. Anything you want. Analyze baby I went with my therapy degree. So she's like so Ashley, you look surprised the Michael Just said he feels isolated. Yeah. I've heard that. Wow look at them opening up. Is there a trophy somewhere and he's lucky because more issue's Ahmad for a then when can solve him but me Mike your issue is your issues fucking strippers from hotels Michael. Okay yeah there's no deep meaning. There's nothing you can solve about your father is GonNa make you stop fucking hook the strippers rather in hotels? Yeah. Well, he'd. He has like a whole sort of. Monologue that seems very you know well-rehearsed he's like. Well, you won't Moi the focused on on one child May to the point of severe emotional distress and what that did the person you careful unconditionally when things aren't good I'll go into my little shale and then I do things from time to time they had all shouldn't do like masturbate in my shell. Masturbate Mush L. Hotel. Okay. So here's the thing I was confused about what he was saying your father focused on you the Mo. so it was that good or bad. I think what he didn't. He didn't say here. But what Ashley says later is that the DAD. was. An alcoholic and would become a surly burly awful drunk, and then just be like, yeah, I. He be like the beginning of the night. He'd be like Oh. Michael. What a lovely little. Hey I see you grabbing your Teddy Baz what a good little boy and then the end and I was like stupid little boy you prayed restrictions on me and your mom that's what you did you. Stupid. Little boy. Okay. I'm assuming very prince of tides and so she's like well I, just need to feel like someone KS about me. That's all and she's like well, my you know what can we do to help help you feel someone cares about you he's like well on need help to stop at that point where it happens like okay. Said we follow you around and just like wait until you get a boner and just start flicking it, you know finger flick it like no said now. It needs to change before you get a boner a strip. Therapist is basically like Donna's basically you realize if if you if you're saying that you need to feel like someone cares could support. You realize what your wife is here for. And your when he says like, well, I, need help to stop that from happening. And ashes like well, how do we know that's about to happen. You tell me these things and he's like well, I need to work with you I'm like Okay Jackie. This is such bullshit thing whereas like. Well I like by needs a clearing that I'm going to start taking action on something on there for healed no, you're not yeah and he says we should work on that Mike Okay we need to work on that so I need to start a you need to start communicating with me better so I can communicate to you better when I'm about to cheat on you it's like Okay with that and the doctor's like great job. No wasn't a great job. This whole scene was extremely infuriating and then just tweeted really love seeing vulnerability. Yeah from Michael South. I mean, you can't trust. Because the very next scene is her face timing Jamal of all people in front of the Mackenzie Child Candle. I'm not I can't. Like tacky tacky background with a tacky man I'm not going to do this. Yes. To hopeless scenes in a row just showing off her purple wall to Jomo. Purple. Purple Hall. They say Thursday's the new Friday but with I leaf wine club everyday can feel like Friday. Yeah. 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So, then we go to robin cheering at one of wants games laughing and not paying taxes, and then we see if. She's GonNa. Flip. The. Gymnasium. Just. Think this floor needs to be Shinier. Deer fawns. La The. Potomac. FAWNS they're here out of season by the way this November and those phones are usually springtime animals. So thanks for the A. Chronologically out of. Thank you for listening to all planet. We've been Mandile Co.. I JUST WANNA make sure we're on the same page about when those were born and the live Bravo is trying to promote dough used to have their season unfortunately to do population has gone down by seventy percent caused by global climate change due to Michael's cheating. That does in my head. It sounds like you're doing rob from below deck med. That is kind of how sounds I've been watching our planet it's horrifying. Horrifying, nature. Okay. Major is horrified I'm. Baby seal get eaten the other day. Okay. I was like, Oh, I'm GONNA show this to my nieces. This is amazing. So I showed it to my nieces. It's like the first thing is a baby. So getting eaten by a polar bear, their thanks uncle does it really? Circle of life okay. Just deal with it. So fons not be eaten by by predators just just standing there just loving their life and we see Wendy on the phone with Ashley inviting her to the SIP and see, and then Wendy says she's not inviting money because the other ladies don't want to really be around are also probably because monique is in the. Penalty, box of Bravo at the moment. So so no monique doesn't episode in Fact Yeah she's out here Everybody to the event Yemen. Ray. Brings Karen into the four of their. With. The most inevitable seen to happen in Cairns House is raid bring to strange and creepy Halloween statues or whatever. They are figurines figures. Karen was on Karen tweeted at Dave. Quinn. Our friend, Dave. 'cause he tweeted something about them and she's like us. Well, those have been have been with us for Halloween's but many many years many many that. I like the idea that those two strangers like Transylvania creatures actually have been with Ray and Karen all this time. You had we not all Edgar? Ray Well. What did we miss? Moving from place to place you at some weird picture of Dorian Gray Shit right like that's what actually caring. That's Karen Ray really look like. They're really. They're really young pretty like department store mannequins that they just sucked the life out of year by year. But they do it to like just look middle aged or her ray to look like he's he's seventy. It's they don't like actually look young and beautiful they're just. They're just. Like a nice facial. It's like a low it's like a low low. Like a picture of Dorian, Gray with with a lot of ambition. Bar. Are wanted you turtle middle aged I JUST WANNA make sure I've had my nutrients for the day. Edwina just reminded me to take my vitamins ray. So. Yes. So basically, ray halls these these these two during the medley type Halloween decorations into their into the foyer and then carrying. On the onto the balcony. Right can please unplug got winner the too distracting, right You don't pay enough attention to ME I. Speak Out. Some candy. They go for little walk and She's like well, Ray that trip I took was everything. It was I realized it was my foundation. The foundation I would not be the Karen I am without the Danish, woman hardwood of my family before me Ray. And if it weren't for that very special romantic data had with Michael Jackson on his stage I don't know if I would be here at this moment and raise like well, you know the good the bad and the ugly makes you appreciate what you have excuse you could you not go after the wooden farm way about that how about you behind your to that farm and I guess you know. The disconnect. We had ray with not being able to say you're in love with me ray remember that role clamp rose. Look at that buck. Look how alarm that bug is. He sees a man can say I. Love You to his wife alarming for a buck. Even that buck had to go sit on a rented Bentley for awhile to get some self confidence back. Anyway, I know I'm not the same woman that you married but and I am experiencing some success. I, put a fragrance in a bottle and not a lot of success the non public figure now. So public speaking, why are the bucks running away now? He's like, yes, and we worked very hard for those goals Oh, you worked hard to Ray. Yes I work very hard for that. You know who do you think built the house the for you to have a big enough has to be a real housewife. In the first place you know who's had to deal with you being on camera all these years and dealing with the fallout and the twitter and the blogs everything else who doesn't get to live in Florida right now his name is. I thought we're seeing the candyman lyrics, who is the man who built a house to live in the? That's him. So, she's like well Ray I'm grasping for straws here the disconnect the businesswoman becoming the a public personality becoming those things intimidating to ray because I'm a public figure on your. Little man talking to a mannequin in the foyer ray. Lucia keep saying she said, well, disconnect we are experiencing. Singing over and over again but he doesn't actually cosign. He's like. I'M NOT GONNA say that I'm experiencing a disconnect. I'm feeling pretty much connected to the same person I always have been. The, same she's trying to look for some reason that they're disconnected like she wants it to be some deep reason. For him to say, yes, I'm jealous. I WANNA. Be Karen. I'm I. WanNa be Fabulous as you and I'm not. I'm lonely. He's not saying that he sang like I want dinner. I. Want you to make me dinner ago. Pretty simple. He's like. Well, you're just not giving me the attention. I deserve probably Oh do you do you think saying that I'm not saying maybe I'm in love with you is going to give you tend to that. You want because that I thought. I could see that's giving a disconnect that we're experiencing a disconnect between public figure a non public figure and he's like well, do you think this famed fortune has gone to your head and she's like well, I'm prow of who I am but I don't forget where I am and don't you forget it either I have international touring coal and from my father. Listen I. Just want to get to a happy place and you can't be stubborn and stuck in your ways. When you're a public figure Ya, you have to be a doubtable and that's something that I've learned and I'm proud of I'm proud to be a public figure but I'll always remember whose shoulder I stand on note that I did not say show does because only stand up one shoulder one foot on the ground and other on the shoulder I have an incredible leg span I'd like to think at, go for letting me stand on his shoulder. So nothing was solved on this walk. Mike Zero was solved on US walk like okay. So you guys still it's like the. World and you guys refuse to come back for this fight. True. But the deer are going nuts at this point. They're actually a whole running around in circles and they're all rapid and bonkers well fighting well, somebody needs to be out here for somebody. You know what I'm saying rag go fight with. That's what I'm saying the buck you see that one buck is just so famous that the other upset about it he's like that one buck just wants dinner. Do you think that one buck is a nephew and the other one is an uncle buck? Do you think that? Then we go over. Comedy. We go over to cannabis is on the phone with her mom and her car, and she's on the way to the courthouse to file charges against Monique. Don't own own ad candidates is like how did we get here? Right I have to give testimony to a prosecutor a Mike. Well, 'cause you decided to press charges over those stupid fight. That's how you got here. I would tell you got here but they're gonNA show the clip of it about twenty times. A draft is like we had never had anything like this in our lives except for the time. In the face of my pocketbook. So then this is like, I, was left with no choice but to file criminal charges because you can't just physically attack someone and there'd be no consequences now I agree you can't just physically attacked people and we've all agreed I think everyone's pretty much on the same page about this money can't just go. What did it was wrong she did was wrong but you know you can still have consequences that are. That are not like, do not involve the legal system the consequences that she's probably like episodes and she'd be docked pay like I. think that's like an like a pretty good consequence a solid. For that I mean her just like crying and like I have no idea why I have done nothing. This is wearing this is starting to wear a little Mike everybody. Not Everybody but I would say the majority of people are on your side. For obvious reasons you can't just hit somebody okay like we're all there but enough with you. Because this is yes. So now she's she's She's like sitting there saying how like you know this has been really hard edges really appreciate how much her mama supported her which is fine and then So she's talking about this first of all, she's holding her phone with her like a Google maps for to get the courthouse, and then of course, she's talking about this like how do we get this place like? This has been really hard. It starts to cry. Like God you're crying that you're doing the cry now. You're the one who was about to file charges against someone and send them possibly to jail for five years, and you're the one that's crying, and now she has an one hand jazz. The Tissue Square Geez has like the the phone cradled in her hands slash lap I'm like someone's GonNa get killed right now on this highway tissue square away you don't need it. She's GONNA show up next season limping like I remember that time in the barn. A. Good, enough with you. So then we go to Robin's house and she's poking. K. Member last week when I was like who wears leopard print hats with whatever else he was wearing apparently she selling those. Hope me return thousand dollars so. It's my heart. It's my hat line. And you know it's really cool. So she's enough. It's also your tax forms. That's what I was. GonNa say. So. Yeah. So she's making hats and her kids are helping her and it's like hijinks and Robbins Aiguo. Focused on this instead of getting a house and getting married. Oh Go to city hall please stop this with you're not gonNA. You're still not GonNa get married Robin Season Five. Sees. It Much more of this can we take just go to City Hall for Christ? Sake. Yeah, why aren't you flipping another house? So now we go over to. Nicolay PA Italian. Kitchen. I don't know why like running down the entire businesses name, but I did and. We just must have really liked SINU- judge. You never know in restaurants going to be come like housewives famous. It's going to happen there. It's like I need to know that this is. A So she's walking with her phone like she's playing that. What does that game where you have to look at your phone to find where the little things are hidden a little cartoon things are hidden pokemon. POKEMON. She's holding your phone out like she's playing Pokemon I hate when people hold their phone Mike Bad. It's like extending your whole arm with your phone out like we get it congratulate. Two. So, she's associate comes she enters this restaurant and she meets up with her gay friend and she's cliff I, call them my nurse. We've been friends ever since I arrived at Howard University and to this day if I need a positive view, I can just positive vibe I can just go to cliff and like talk all about me and not ask him any questions about him I, just love him for that. I know because you know that he does not say the same thing about her he's never cliff has never once said in his life you know when I just need a positive vibe by call canvas. He's more like. Well. I'm lonely right now. All my other friends call my gigantic hats. Stupid. So I guess I'll go have lunch with Kansas today lounges apparently on hers. I. Guess I'll go it'll be it'll be on TV which will be fun for my mom. So he's like so how are you? The music super dramatic, and then we see flashes of this terrible fight will traumatize games till the end of her days and it's like well, today I went to the courthouse to officially give my statement and they asked me if I wanted Monique to get jail time and I said, I want this to be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. Great great use of the legal system so so Is like you don't attack someone and expect it not to have consequences like there are already many consequences for Monet Okay and she's like I wake up in a panic have posted up all across my walls at say you're okay you're okay. Okay. All right listen I can't I'm not here to discredit anyone's trauma because trauma trauma and who am I to say that you know like she doesn't have real trauma but that being said, candace does have a history of being very over the top about every single thing and the fact that has. Ever. Your Okay Kansas you're okay I tried to problem calling someone's trauma stupid and you're stupid. You WanNa see Trauma Watch full metal jacket. Okay. Good avalon. Yeah I just like her post. It's. I feel like those posts were originally by Dorothy. Ever, so that way every time Kansas says, you know what? I'm really feeling myself. I'm great and then the post says you're okay. Okay. And she's now. She's now taking those posts and light made it. She's she's reclaimed. She's she's positively re purposed posted at. You're okay candidates you're okay your hair is pulled. Just learns how to take. That would actually be a good character quality though of her if she just took bad things and made them good things you know she's like you know my mother really thousand supports me and when she feels I need extra support she pouts my face with leather. I also like the idea that candace is too lazy to take down her mother's passive aggressive posted. That's. Just. Like her mom is just nagging her all over the apartment and candidates doesn't take the posted notes down. So. Chris sees saying you know I wake up every morning in a panic and he's like, Oh, come on now. And the Tissue Square comes out. He's like you're a bigger than this. You're stronger than this. Okay. Gosh. Darn. It people like you are I mean you were before you somebody great before you started this journey and she's like well but also about the social media. And all I can't believe houses being have you ever read your own twitter your? Goal I can't even believe you have a gay person that's willing to sit avalanche with you. I know didn't she call once you call Ashley Absolute Roach or something like that she has been just as nasty. Viewers that. paycheck to paycheck ropes would you have the thing sees abusive and terrible on her twitter? She's not terrible. She's okay. So but the thing. And yes she's doing this whole bowls things she's crying enter. Here's. She is crying dirt euros prominent. She was crying into her mouth that would be me. She says that goes sideways. She's Fan. But yeah, she's like, oh. Yeah. Monica's not remorseful Blah Blah Blah. Blah. Blah. So Cliff is basically asking if everyone's on candice aside, she's like, yes but in an unlikely turn, of events, windy? Giselle. And Robin have been really supportive but Karen is airing on the side of caution. Like you're not sure really and she's like well I, don't know if I feel the full weight of Karen support and that is really bothersome you. Oh my God I feel like we. Considered the we have to, we have to say this ten times a recap. It is not okay to hit somebody or to try and pull their hair. Okay or to pull their hair actually pulled there but you're making it rough candice you're making it rough just keep up keep it up. I I believe that that was a very scary experience. I candice I believe that it was like horrifying and I do believe that there was probably was like some ptsd of some some some amount bud lake. is also really like leading into this ability to be like. It's not remorseful that this is bullying me on social media. I mean like you said, she's making a tough a tough for us to be on our side. We're we're we're on our side enough but making tough real tough. Welcome to Sandy Spring where we pass out. Hugs in naps to Oliver taxpaying citizens we're at sandy spring. I don't know what that is, but it sounds amazing. So whether he Over spring. Andy. Is checking out the venue checking out of any for their sippy and it's museum because she wants her her child to be. Cultured. Yeah. So they went to sandy spring. And at he's GonNa invite his family to the SIP and see because his son was like, why haven't I met GRANDPA basically and he feels bad and. When he's like, yeah, I support you reuniting. so He Texas Mommy's like mother. You're cordially invited to. Sing unfortunately I'm sure that's really going to do it. which is gonNA come running over after she received that text me I can't imagine that's horrible. So. I mean, really lady rarely lady will get to You lady. I'm sure you'll be able to show up next MEX season, be on TV or whatever yeah Oh. Let's go see uncle lump uncle long who is Ashley's proxy father figure so ashes shows up uncle lumps house with baby Dane and and the she goes in and then Schiller shows up surprises Ashley and she's got an eye patch. So there's all sorts of stuff happening this episode. Yeah. Ashley's MOM got sick of asking Ashley Michael for money. So she just started rubbing other ships. She's back from the pirate ship. She seems like she has some sort of style or too lazy on and she's like Oh. Yes. Using and terrible. So I put an eye patch on on TV I'm not sure how this happened but ashes mothers is the physical embodiment of a candidacy so. So? Yes. Sheila Grabs Baby Dean. He's like put me down crazy pirates mom and Lima ammo I follow the law when we When Win Hey. Bait, you stop drawn to serve Me Long John, Silvis and hand be over too long John Milk bags over there are way. Way. We let me tell you something. Paul is not the only one who wants a cracker Wayne wear? So. Acids like so how are things circle mom put your kids being gone being empty Nester now and he's like well, you know. Now, we just go off in the day we do our thing, and then we come together later at night and. We talk about our day. Like Wow Sounds sounds pretty terrible that sounds terrible to be that sounds like my worst nightmare although ray ray got Boehner listening to this. That's all I want Edgar. That's all he's ever wanted Oh my God. There are two birds that are fighting outside my window there must have heard that there were talking about public. Even the Potomac recaps there's a lot of wildlife i. feel like you ever watched birds fighting in wonder are they about to fuck like? Knowing you I'm sorry that I keep bringing up our planet, but I'm I'm like. With right now, it's like my favorite Sean TV. It's like a mystery on the best scenes are with the birds. The birds are crazy. They do all these dances for each other I mean please just watch it and fast forward TC a bird it it's the funniest you'll ever see I'm just watching this one bird right now there's bird scared away the the first bird, and now it's like now it's just like just it's acting like. It's just sort of dancing around like, yeah this is my little space right now like no one's got like I. Am like the Shit Right now hopping it is like it's tails up. It's like there's a little bit of water that sipping from just like breath buck around there's the scene of had the birds are meeting and these really pretty guy birds team up together and they practice dance every day together they all come together and they practiced the dance on a branch and then a lady five, they have to clear the whole floor of leaves and stuff like that, and then a lady comes by and then they start doing the dance for her. To It's like a cartoon and they do a whole dance and then the Lady Bird Chirps, she liked it. So it was successful the guys like and it was successful and then the main bird jumps on humps her real quick and flies away they all just leave. They're like all right. Did it Well I'll tell you while you're telling that story a while that one bird was acting like it was the it was like I'm a public figure now and you know like we know this experience this disconnect that we're experiencing the other bird just like, oh, you think you're just can't buy doesn't attacked again and now they're going back added. So it's basically like the real housewives out there. Okay so Mama Patch wearing I'm here. Okay. So they're they're talking about. Michael Yeah they talk about therapy and well, he opened up about his dad and the she tells a story about the dad being really nice and really loving and then he would drink start turning and yell at him and call him names and she's like he was really relieving for him to say that out loud. You know because he acts like he's too good to areas too old to talk about his problems but those really affect him. Okay Great. About him cheating on you now and how you're going to get that baby out of that situation. Exactly. 'cause lump is like well your mother now and the focus isn't on him team. So there's no excuse for what happened and when you make those kind of mistakes, you know what you're doing and you need to have more interest in your family than European us. Yeah and she's like well I hope don't think I'm being foolhardy who says that? Basically you know that like lumpen Schiller are both like you're being foolhardy. ARGH and lumps like I wanna see him because he's just hiding and he's gotta show up and take some shit. Okay. Because that's the payment but he got. And she was like and I wanNA hear Michael's head is at all tell you Wa- hid has at I've got a call at one thirty I'm just reviewing some documents. That's when law has at just some documents to be reviewed. Coal at one daddy and she's like are. So then we go get read everybody's getting ready for the SIP ency and. Wendy's kids are walking around the house and he'll in her high heels and the baby's bows so cute and Eddie so hasn't gotten a response from his family. And then we go to the event and guess who is first to show up. This is the most shocking thing to happen the season. It's Robin Guys Robin Robin and she's wearing the same outfit that leaves Serena and Eric Jane and almost oursel- war on the psychic episode of Beverly Hills this season yes. Okay. So this is some other fun drama the happen on. Instagram this. Great, there's a picture of all three of these housewives in the spring jacket, right so someone put of picture of them, and then a picture of the pink ladies from Greece under. The pink ladies or whatever, and so Erica saw that and took it and put it on her page and it was like a love this, and then the girl who made the man was like Guy I. Don't know if it was a girl or guy. Sorry. But they were like That's fine. Could you give me credit I'll you didn't take this picture and she's like yeah. Didn't take the picture but I made the mean and I really love you I'm not trying to be mean I just want you to credit me or whatever. Well Sarah you don't get credit because he didn't. Everybody's telling Erica like you dumb, ass. Credit somebody if you still me? Ella. This stand that Erica's GonNa make. Stan no matter what. But still she's going she's acting like a total asshole Erica no one is saying that they took the picture. They made the meam. Have you never heard of him making how? Avid give the person. The person tag tax person. Acre. o Okay well, this is what's going on and Bravo this week you know the kind of political fight I can get into you know You know air down with Erica vote mean maker vote me make everybody. Team maker. So so robin is as the first avenue. It's just like her to other people just sitting there and then Wendy's on her way in the car. She reads this headline that says Monique Monique charged with second degree assault. So now the news is breaking that that candace is you know has actually gone and filed report lake criminal criminal whatever accusations. And also people are mad online because Wendy was breastfeed was she breastfeeding I dunno but she oh no, she was bottle feeding in the backseat and the kid was in a car seats. Everyone's like Oh. My God people get really really upset about carseats huge scandal online right now guys. I'm I'm not going to weigh in on this one. I'm going to get myself in trouble I actually 'cause I don't care but I feel like I'll just whatever whatever. Yeah? It's a controversy that we think like who cares. But yeah, we'll get in trouble but I don't really have to weigh in. My opinion is you should be car seat, but also as I mentioned, I'm a child to the seventies. So I don't even know that we had car seats. I think it was like tape and not even like duck tape just like scotch tape or just put you on the for the car. You know like a six pack of beer. I just say do it raising Arizona style put the baby on the roof and just drive. This bungee that baby to the roof. You. No I don't know I don't really have I. don't really have an angle on this one I just like I know that whatever angle I decided to take up just for the sake of argument. I will probably get someone mad and we'll be worth it just the way I can engage and like have an opinion on something that I really don't care about Waste that's how I get mine down with. But yes for me makers and no for the. Team of Ben Erica. No? Armband. Okay so Anyway, so people start to finally arrive. And gels they're and Karen. Is there CETERA and they are talking about the charges against Monique and she was like, well, I was intrigued because it said second degree assault. So I want to look it up and it turns out that second degree assault is actually about us all not about source that you put on your food. So I'm getting lots of things today. Also that. Just kinda dress like beauty school how she's dressed like that member from Greece she's wearing like a big pink kind of like hairdresser you know mamas knocking mock yes smock. Yeah she. She. Just looks like she's in a big piece of cloth like she just it's like someone was like. I felt like two people were flapping giant piece of cloth like there were there were creating an ocean effect on like a student play and she just went running through and that just wrapped around her, and then she went directly to the. Is Basically like every outfit I wear during lockdown during coronal lockdown. They start talking about You know the charges as you said, and she's like second degree Ya and robins like Oh. Did you Google degree look what's the difference between first and second degree? She's like Oh my God. I don't even know why I'm laughing. It's not funny. And Care. It's like Oh you need to stop I'm getting water. So she gets up and lean yes. She gets up at least we actually follow her. Barbara. She goes. Trouble you for some water. Why don't we have to see that and thank you for showing to us. Public figure either Manson water would be fine. But I'm also did with Crystal Geyser whatever you have tap tap. That's okay. So Let's see. So robins like you. Don't want to go to jail. Oh so then everybody else starts arriving and they meet Wendy's these mom and. A well, we hear your chief unfortunately that's not very public figure, but still respectable, you're welcome. Would you like me to hold your baby? And the MOM is saying she's like I am an em a strong Amazon woman who has done a lot for their community and always always. Always have something to show for my hard work like I have Wendy here. She starts gesturing Wendy like look. This is my my hard work has paid off because I have Wendy, a professor who will be a professor because she's tenured professors are always professors that will never leave. They'll never ever leave right Wendy. And Wendy was freaking out because she hasn't told her mom yet and so Let's see. Everybody's just arrived. This is like an everybody arriving part I'm going through my notes like I. Don't need to say that don't need to talk about Karen complimenting someone's you know being. Ever everything's great. Everything's wonderful and exciting. It looks like a wonderful party. It also looks boiling hot in there was sweating. So then they're doing the I, believe it was called the hunt as high. Ceremony. Could be. Wrong. And the. Wendy is Wendy's announcing that she's like she she's like well I, wanted I women here that have characteristics that I want my daughter have of course, my mother my mother is here and the MOM's getting all choked up. Did you see the mom just like gesture I assume her husband? Her she's like. Fan Me. No I love that now relationship right there. Exactly and then when was like and my sister Yvonne or IV also. and. You just know candace was sitting there being like and I will thank you. I'll thank you ahead of time. Yes. I can sing happy birthday just for your child. Louis and just comes in with like a Nigerian headdress. To Logos. I love that no matter what is happening Ashley has a Kuroda in her head always theft. We get a couple of clips of Ashley, her favorite thing, the corona, and then there's dancing and Wendy's like in the Nigerian culture we spray you to celebrate you and I was like, oh no. Because if we were watching vendor proper rules, this would mean a very different thing but here's just throwing dollars. Yeah. Just. Yeah it was. It was very very. It looked like a super fun time. Also I thought like you has ones like, could we move up to twenty s? People on the street don't ask for dental ask for a dollar anymore you say like, can I have twenty dollars? It's called inflation people. Okay. So, So they're all they're all eating dinner. They've gone to the buffet they've seen down dinner. Dorothy. Is they're also? I because why not and they're all sitting around the table and she's saying that she's there to support candice and sells like so Ken this earlier today, my phone started vibrating the table because I got all these messages and messages and messages. How. Were you feeling Very stressed. Only recently filed the charges and suddenly it was everywhere rose old. For her to go to jail like the goal is for the court system to do what it needs to do drone. I'm okay I'm okay. You got that. Right quiet mother. So to sells like Yeah. But I looked it up and she could go to jail for five years Kansas dislike. Yep she goes That's a lot. Robbins y'all we don't. Why would hey I go to jail yeah. We don't want her to go to jail. She's like we don't. Like we yeah, and he's like well I think that there should be consequences I mean y'all were there. You saw what happened it sounded like an assault and then ashes like. Actually. Started with a yelling match on both sides ended escalated, which is funny because she's not wrong but she really wasn't there. So she shouldn't be talking but I also did appreciate kind of passive aggressive dig again this. Well, I mean. Look. A lot of people are like you don't have the right to you didn't hear what was happening. You were in the bath she was in the bathroom in a barn. Okay. You can hear what's going on. In the Barn I mean Jeez just put. Like a piece of what up there for a while Peter many a barn. You can hear everything trust me. So canvas. Actually, we were speaking in elevated voices check you wish. I was not in her face. Were you there? Yeah and then Kansas I mean Ashley does like Ashes basically like I was in the bathroom you know, and then Kansas is like is Osos mony paying you paying you to speak her are you her mouthpieces she paying you and ashes like Being paid by home I'm already married to a millionaire what do I need to be paid? And says, Oh, well, congratulations not for long. and Chris's telling her shut up MC. Please stop thumping this just stop stop and she will she's getting more and more, and also she said she paying you as well. So I guess digging their money pays people to do her dirty work though yeah, and so. Then Giselle we come back from I guess we come back from break and his like Oh my god Dr and I'll be as good as long as I choose to be married. She's like well, I, don't know about that. Okay. I. Don't know about that and Chris tells her shut up stop talking shot Yeah And can, and basically candice's wondering what she should be taking responsibility for an and she tells Karen She's like she's Oh. I'm sorry. No, she tells. Ashley she has I'm not angry at you for the way you were choosing to move because you weren't there and you're only able to go off what your friend is telling you and it. Really, your friend and you WANNA trust what she says okay. But I would implore you. Defend someone that you really don't know about. Okay. Where are your post it where you're supposed to have? Yeah and actually like well I set already I don't think she should have attacked. You like well. I promise did Weena wouldn't talk about this but. I'm the awkward light of being able to share some information but. I'll just sit here not Sarah at all just wanted to put that out there in case, anybody wants to hear from public figure. I love my Karen always talks like she's. The media at a courthouse, right? Les She's at the steps of a courthouse. Awkward Position Right now that you know I am friends both party is but no further questions over the questions okay that's question. Yes. Carrying you said, you were going to talk to her like what I did talk to her I thought God this is hurting. As I just text her centers something to say, I'm sorry you didn't deserve this possibly by someone singing her saw. You. Didn't deserve maybe SIDMOUTH Rome. Can't it's like. Well, you shouldn't have to coax a grown woman to apologize well, like I mean, we're talking about maturity and Gremlin that's opening up a whole other can of worms. So robins like well Kerlin has your opinion changed about this whole situation? I. Can say this as a public figure, it has I've consulted the various. Dear the does and the box in my neighborhood and they're all disappointed. But can I share my new opinion until we know everything? I. Ask you to respect me being in the middle like Malcolm. It is the worst position to be in also like BALCON. No. Questions. and Robbins Whoa I wouldn't want someone to tell me which side to pick between my friends but she's disregarding canvases feelings which means he's choosing Monique saw oh. I'm sorry. I didn't hear any of that I was too busy dvr in my favorite ABC comedy of all time also known as look. So everybody leaves and then. Everybody says by and then he and Wendy have sad ending because his family didn't come and it's like. But then it becomes happy again because it takes a shot of the kids just rolling on the floor and the dollars they're like. Those are so cute. I feel like those kids just like represents like childhood innocence joy and they were just like having the best time. They're just they're. They're like reading those kids. There were having fun and they were being routing excitable without be like spoiled terrors like a lot of times on these shows we see the kids were like someone to tie that kid to oppose and these kids are just like happy sweet lovely children and it made me like restored some hope for humanity for me. Yeah. The kids on real housewives of New Jersey would have broken all the statues they would've liked crashed through the windows and you know been in there with like that and like the buffet. Don't even talk about printing Redmond's kids. Oh No that sad there. Sad those kids her from the happen her mother-in-law. In Law gotTA car accident I believe they were in Mexico or something and I believe the mother in law got in a car accident and died with one of the kids in the car. Oh. My God I had no idea I know I'll cut that out. Will you cut out? It's fine, I. Know I think it's like. I. I'm not I didn't know and. So. Sad. Yeah. So That's heartbreak. No, that's that's terrible. I know own. 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Catherine Comeaux  Taking a Stand to Prevent Waste and Pollution

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Catherine Comeaux Taking a Stand to Prevent Waste and Pollution

"This is john swift and you're listening to discover lafayette a podcast dedicated to the people and rich culture of lafayette the gateway to south louisiana discover lafayette is recorded in the offices of writer solutions a technology when she company located in the light center in lafayette raider offers a complete fleet of i t solutions for businesses of all sizes raiders motto is you just want it to work we understand if you're wondering freighter can help your business please visit raider solutions dot com i'd also like to thank are pre mir sponsor iberia bank fritz supportive this podcast founded in eighteen eighty seven iberia bank is the largest bank based in louisiana and is headquartered right here in lafayette with three hundred twenty nine combined locations throughout the south they offer the resources of the national bank with a personal touch the community bank for more information please visit iberia bank dot com catherine komo is are guest today catherine is highly involved in local efforts to reduce the never ending pile of trash in her community employed as a recycling clark from lafayette consolidated governments she also serves on the value vermillion district board of commissioners shinners as a founding member of no waste louisiana she was instrumental in getting the laugh at perish school system to implement recycling in schools catherine is passionate about trash fixing things canoeing and beach coming cofounder of looming insulin and guess channels catherine has a great story to share catherine comma welcome to discover lafayette thank you jen i'm so excited to have you here on one of the first to admit that were friends friends were neighbors and i've seen you living near message you 'em you really are low to no waste consumer 'em i see you hang enclose outs 'em i know family herald and sarah and they both loved a very a profound life about trying to make are communities safe and more beautiful so i'm really thrilled to have you had this forum to share your message about your passion which is be on reducing trash i wanna get that straight i know you've got a bigger message you wanna share so would you be back up and tell us your background and 'em growing up here in lafayette and how you got to where you right now sure a growing up in lafayette has and i have lived a few other places only briefly but i've lived in it'd be in mississippi yeah korea and in south korea new orleans and then yes i came back here and that's when i started the blue moon but 'em along through life i've always had an eyesore i consider myself to be rather resourceful never too worried about where we're get this to do that i'm like oh we'll find it you know if you're shoes broken out on the beach ray oh we'll find something to fix it and that's something that probably get from my dad you know he can use bubble gum and duct taped table and facebook trailer and he will scary but the president's to right so 'em foot with that also comes this idea of all you know everything we consume in by eventually it goes somewhere and a lot of it can be real purpose 'em doesn't have to go and be buried in a landfill 'em i know i'm a bit obsessive about it i'm always looking around to see what is being reclaimed claimed there was one time i was popping popcorn with eight fellow parents at a school event ends she was a new parent at the school and she said yeah you know something about recycling the school and i said well they don't recycle the school in her jaw dropped inch serious an amber exactly they're still producing a lot of paper in the schools despite going digital and a lot of things but she and i her name is amanda what lg in i teamed up and we did a lot of the research of you know how do we get the schools to recycle ends 'em would it work for them would it be cost effective and i think what we found out about digging into recycling filling with that oh gosh it's just wanna be answers and it support answer to our waste problem right it's a it's it's a it's a part of the answer but we realize there's so much more on the front end that needs it's paying attention to and we still push for recycling in the schools because the right point we do see it as definitely something we need to be doing and tapping into but 'em we open the doors and she i formed no waste louisiana with a couple of folks automatic lynn saw that on the website an end we've been active ever since in various things that pop up let's dig a little bit deeper deeper into the woods vail mom you know suggestion you and end you're friend trying to get the school systems even consider recycling 'cause it seems like a no brainer i know some people can't recycle if maybe their attorneys er doctors and they have to have things confidential you know digital is a better way to go but i cannot even imagine the number of tons of paper in a month two months whatever that's generated by are school system end and all of a sudden home printing out things in the trash or even recycling it so by going to the school system i just want you to talk about that for a moment you were not only just wanting to stem the the trash that was being thrown away but you wanna teach little people young people there's a better way till enough is that right right it's a little complicated when you're kids they they have that one lesson in april may be around earth day yeah we were like oh that's a good idea but here at school no sorry which are in china bulletins all in the recycling i tell this austin to people especially for businesses if you try to hide the service recycling because it is a service and makes us all feel good and it feels like some sort of penance were doing 'cause we wanna save the planet it is still a service ended is still a part of an economy that is influenced once by world markets right end it has to be paid for right but we not only pay for it but then the goods have to be delivered to be recycled criticize somewhere else free safely an but what i often tell people is that if you look at you're waste services and you want to add recycling if you consider it that way i'm gonna add recycling let's say i have a dumpster the cost me a hundred fifty dollars to empty once a week you don't wanna add recycling when i call the company and they say oh yes that's gonna be an extra two hundred dollars a month it's like well no brainer for people you know already and we'll keep doing it like we are 'cause we don't have extra two hundred dollars just been burma throwing stuff away right end 'em however if the entity looks at it as okay we have a dumpster the empty every week if we include recycling can we quit hinting at every week maybe ever that whole point right of recycling is to reduce the amount of times i have gmt my dumpster and send it to the landfill so just that little switch in understanding what you're doing when you're recycling going could help whoever's making the economic decisions for the school board for the catholic diocese for any group of businesses or even a single business whoever's making those decisions they realize it's a service it does cost but if i make it part of i shoot a larger waste reduction of it could work hottest yeah you know it's complicated so you had been to the school system had been way trash if i understand to prove to them right it wouldn't be a an increase in cost it would just be a shifting of alex allocating right and still look i i'd like you think it's a perfect situation it's not because you know who at each school is monitoring those dumpsters just say oh we're only seeing them when they're full mhm there's may not be a person every school campus doing that so is each school recognizing v benefit of recycling on mom in an economic sense i'm not sure why but the children does the ray lucia show or their educational benefits for future and i do think i do let me say that i do think the school board is recognizing an economic benefits because they have you know in working with the waste management that's who has their project at this time they have tweaked it so that they are reducing the times they nc they're downright but 'em is every business is every entity willing to devote the time personnel it would take to watch over the trash i'm not so sure i well before we started the interview i asked you a question about what's one thing most of us can do if we're aware that we throw too much in the trash shorter some simple things we could do and one of the things you said was reduced are dependence on single use plastics which is like the the water bottle and drinking out of bags at the grocery store you know throw away in a plastic plastic bags like i i'm sure it goes down to the food i by the detergent the toothpaste all these different things that we consume an it's difficult sometimes in today's market like i could buy a larger container of detergent at costco mhm but it's still i can't buy something i can't left you know like yes so many things set up properly could be buying washing soda and doing so that i shredded yeah i no they take it to an extreme and you can weigh in a giant hours of your life every day trying to avoid a package an eye nobody's perfect and i create trash at my house my not gonna talk about that detergent the but much of my favorites simpson episode marge simpson buys fifty pounds of nutmeg at the stores fifty pounds of not letting bargain that cool ever used that much we are rewarded in are society from buying more whether or not we're gonna use it who cares makes the numbers for that company look good and so it's yes yeah modes to just talk tell me first of all if we could talk locally i wanna talk more globally but you work with consolidated government you're a recycling clerk and i know you're part time now because you've got three young children you've remodeling a home you have a lot going on in your personal life and you're married life 'em but tell me what's going on locally with are maybe the government the people might need to know about what what's going on which recycling and what can we do to be better citizens which recycling i think it's important for people to know that the point of recycling is to not recycle more but to recycle battery and what i mean by better is recycle what is valuable to to recyclers when we quote unquote recycle were actually just sorting are garbage which doesn't sound as like glamorous and good for the environment right but were just starting on garbage were not doing the recycling there's someone else who's gonna do that eventually you him but 'em does the situation on in the risk in the market for recyclables at this point is in a bit of an upheaval because of china cutting off their acceptance and most recently we believe in malaysia that also came out to say sorry were not taking a trash anymore 'em the world was sending trash to china and we send we were sending much of are a west coast mobiles because they have more direct shipping out from the west coast to china for them to process the recyclables they have cheaper labor looser environmental laws angela that recycling contaminated i contaminated with non recyclables yard waste you know whatever people are loaded they were gonna throw away and wasn't properly sorted out a recycling facility so 'em with those pressures because of the californian market being affected by their ability to export to china it affects all the markets inland as well because now they're trying to sell those commodities inland we'll remember these are all commodities auditees paper aluminum plastics wrong commodities once they actually get sorted failed in their ready for resale end 'em so it has affected are little local community unity in that they materials recovery facility in baton rouge where all of our stuff gets sent they have more pressure on them to create a cleaner commodity because there's more competition on be local marsh it's a lot of paper mills in the mid west i think by the paper i'm not certain where the plastics and the andy aluminum goes up pretty sure they aluminum stay stateside but none of us even think about this fridays ago yeah but some and you're not talking about glass we don't recycle glass here no end in glass in the big wide world of waste glasses sort of i wouldn't say it's a non issue because it is but it is non polluting issue even federated i drop a glass bottle on the beach in a hundred years it will probably have kind of broken down to a nice little bits of beach glass hurting anyone yeah of course if everybody dropped one you've got a mess on your hands right there's there's here in bombs they're carrying plastics plastics they're a little different in glass a lot a lot of communities have quit collecting it curbside 'cause it's just too heavy to transport when few hours cost starting going higher than normal that really affected communities abilities to transport by but i'd like to jump away from recycling and go upstream all right to what my organization always laugh yet really pushes for and that is for things like 'em fix it culture right you know we we host these 'em somewhat seasonal fix it campaign were coming up yes july at the downtown library where we invite the public to bring broken items and i have volunteer volunteer tinkers hers fixers 'em who will iser creatively try to fix them or they typically have a solution for you to try and bring it to a next step will kind of things and people bring to be fixed i mean it's like coffee in bringers peter driver and have a cup of coffee right yeah we we offer hoffy entries rabid usually sponsors are i think they're on board for sponsoring this one what type of things so like if i had things run the house had people wearing tend to bring lamps and chairs and jewelry oh they end we get we get electronics someone on a vhs threequarter one uncle that he could not take care of it but 'em they're they've brought toasters they've brought fans clocks yeah small electronic end or small appliances and yet people there that can help them look it keeping it or yet or is it hard this brings me to another concept that we promote as three noise and that's the concept of redesign though you take aboard a toaster an toasters used to be built using ai learned us at the last six a cast say almost see if i can repeat it properly toasters used to be built on a mechanical mechanism that if it broke it could be repaired ran a covert hair okay toasters art i'm talking about the heating element now now toasters are made where it's a circuit board that control the heating and one of are fixers you know totally ripped apart of his toe stirred and he showed me my new little circuit that would need to be replaced in order for that toaster to work again and he said you know once you order it typically have to order a lot of them and then once you order it and wants to try to replace it you've basically paid for the cost of the toaster again so it's not a feasible fix end what we promote through new waste lafayette and i guess this morning in an idealistic way is that there should be an effort at redesign of the products we consume on a regular basis at the manufacturer level design level design level design level for a redesign of products so that they can be fixed like they used to be able to be fixed you know right right right and even in it and it's not so much of like oh everything would be better feels like the good old days but there you know with a lot of that that was what good does when we built her house house and we moved in in two thousand and i'm going to buy may tax and it was really good and local you know richard i bears maytag he told me and i probably should repeated he said don't buy the high end products at the bottom of the line because they're gonna be there's gonna be less things break he was right i'm still using it nineteen years later but other appliances i bought were going out within six months to a year because the motherboard whatever it's called markets will go out in the high end convection oven cannot fix some of the guard again because they were they were too complicated in it's sometimes it's the the basic products that last 'cause nobody wants to be pulling out appliances to repair on but that's what's happening with these newer on designs so yeah which which brings me to and i never read maytag and said thank you first selling these affordable bottom at the line products have enjoyed it and it it works fine i don't need fifty options the right clothes i wanna make yeah they 'em which which brings me to another concept that well of course the repair concept we talked about that but and the redesign but also aj 'em stewardship or extended producer responsibility right products georgia that that 'em some states have these laws whereby they have asked the producers of consumable to design them and make them so that they can be 'em i'm sorry let me go back on that scratch scratch that they 'em the they extend a producer reliability asks for manufacturers to take the product back mhm i think his life what's one sits at the end of its useful life end 'em what that does is it puts the pressure on the producer of that product to make it so that they don't have to take it back at last long writer or be when they do they can be broken down into recyclable parts of louisiana has one of these laws and extend it producer responsibility law and give you a few guesses about what product it might live to gosh you know there is on mattresses when you were talking but that's probably not is not mattresses tires when you're waiting colo oh it is part of a vehicle mary crab one i've read this year one y m lead the lead acid batteries what you're what you're you're coming car batteries being everybody those have to be accepted by thee 'em by the people the people who sell the end that's a pretty big thing that everybody changes that they're about to get a new one you have to bring back deal ahah or we know this 'em another stewardship law that's out there has to deal with text me okay and that's one thing my office does each year we host household hazardous waste day whereby we take back common household hazardous waste like pesticides glues 'em paint automotive no we don't take back automotive fluids those extra can go back you take electronics on which i'm electronics but one of the number one items we get in most abundance is latex paint oh yeah brought that i had ongoing upcoming events and month after worst there are people calling have all this paint you know someone so moved out they left me all this paint there's just not anything to do with it and throw it in the garbage it'd be legal oh there is a method whereby you can dry it out using kitty litter of but it's you know if you have a lot of pain yeah kitty litter and i am but m v so the paint stewardship laws i think they exist in approximately thirteen states don't quote me on that though 'em they say to paint ming manufacturers help us out make this back provide for the financial assistance and getting the back into circulation or into proper just you know or to have it properly disposed of is that would laugh at paris does when we bring them to this recycling day yesterday when you bring you're paid to household hazardous waste day we have set up with its habitat restore whereby they in several volunteers and we pop open delayed yeah and we blend it for resale at habitat restore perfect 'em gosh that doesn't take care oil base paint or anything like that but 'em some states have ongoing programs where there would be some things set up at air sherwin williams or home depot end and if you did not use all the paint but you bought for project you would bring it back and they would professionally three om remove linden and resell it that's also god but that doesn't typically happen right without some sort of legal impetus for these companies to set this up right right i wanna take a moment if you don't mind catherine i'd like to thank 'em advocate i know they promote other recycling day yeah yes how do hazardous waste say they promote this podcast also in every week i just wanna tell people on mondays and thursdays they've been kind enough to promote news of discover lafayette and there'll be there'll be promoting the show and other shows and i just want fang judy true sodas the president's adam daigle a head of are local business division at they advocate for all they do to help our community just stay aware of what's going on so you can find out more about them at they advocate dot com so moving onto the so you you wanna see not only all of us become more aware of what we consume but at the producer level way upstream before it's even sold you'd like to find more awareness at the corporate level of what production is doing to our planet for sure you wanna see that stewardship and i think you know the the research is is is out there you know where they're finding microplastics the deepest trenches of ocean we mart benfield with ellison you who is studying they microplastics in mississippi river fish so he's out alice you but he gets regular shipments of frozen fish from all up and down the mississippi river anti is looking into what what he's finding in there so they're consuming plastics and then were consuming the fish fry the plastics are pretty much in the belly of the fish right we went on what happens with microplastics envy ocean according to to research that's been done is the microplastics enlarge a plastic says well they become like this magnet for the persistent chemicals that are in the ocean so if there's any bad stuff out there floating around it's the magnet axes and and attracted of the chemicals so becomes somewhat impregnated those chemicals and then that's consumed by the fish on the health the health 'em it sounds like they that's really detrimental to are health so people that are buying fish and we were just non is not strong in good yeah just show the healthy fix of a long term long term health effects of consuming the these fish that have had my microplastics in their bellies but yet nobody would just go out and buy plastic to eat you know we know that we don't wanna be consuming plastic products rights like we want we don't drink gasoline we don't we don't wanna consume these products so how many people people are like yeah i'm just thinking you are so passionate and i know that you're life is really focused on this but so many of us are we just get up and gone better day were not thinking talking about the milk we by the you know all the different things around the foods that we consume in the air the fish yelling is that everybody's passionate about something yeah i you know i learned a lot from other yeah regular basis it's about things that i don't think about yeah and 'em when did she formed a waste louisiana when did that come about twenty sixteen hundred two new teen right right i looked on the website you could just look up no waste laffy had her new ways to louisiana the website were still developing well but it's fair you gotta face their presence it's there for sure yeah another thing we tried to promote through new ways lafayette is sort of front in litter prevention mhm through we we have yet to develop the program and i know the other groups around last yet who have thought of this idea more try at this very moment to get people together on the idea of creating hey designation whereby you could recognize businesses especially restaurants for their green practices in the sense of you know when you go to a restaurant and you eat an are you served on paper plate with plastic utensils and a plastic cup of the plastic lid and a straw or are you actually given the opportunity to heat unreal dishes me you know higher in restaurants typically that's not the case but there's a lot of sort of india seen in quite fast food but they end you are around that fit you are getting served on disposables even if you're staying well in an audit shows i've you know i've i've run a business before and so i understand stand you know there's costs incurred when you got to keep a dishwasher on staff and how easy is it to find a reliable dishwasher it's not right so 'em i get it but i believe they did that that shouldn't stop us from pushing for something like reducing at least that you know like allying local restaurants who can set the example right in somehow recognize whether it be a green restaurant designation by you friendly restaurant designation because we can keep picking up litter all we want hall but there's more common mhm there is more coming but 'cause when most people know well let me not famous people would go there is a lot of people who once they eat something in their car they don't want it stinking up their car and they you know if you have trash cans not convenient and mind you trash cans are not giving up on every corner can't remember where it was yesterday i could not find a trash can never in front of a school building and you find a trash can now and you know we just got back i mentioned to you before we started taping we were in fort worth this past weekend where my husband's family was from an you'd walk around downtown and they not only had trash cans everywhere but recycling bins everywhere so you you'd wanna throw you're plastic bottle away which i probably shouldn't have had to begin with but it was at the hotel so we'd go walk at the river and we knew we don't even have to throw away the bottle we could recycle it yeah you have they offer convenient it was like at every corner every two blocks or something right and we just don't have that here and i think we could we can't think so too i think that would be a big part of reducing mhm litter ryan even if it doesn't get recycled at least it's not in the deaths not in the river from where we are now now what do you think about project front yard of you a part of that i am you know react i think you know they don't really tell you when you go to work for the city but it in order to get like yeah oh yeah you're project front yard to project front yard yeah but the thing is you can pick up trash one day and go back the next day that's there if not more you know i've i've worked with e m b n may crew with the sheriff's department and we've cleaned up scorned or is around i can you know embassador it's a really big problem for waste and i don't even know if most people realize when they're lettering because they might put it in the back of their truck right like you're saying unintended and then it flies out is they beryl down the highway but it's that brings me to another 'em extended producers possibility law that i believe there's a thirteen states have bottle bills go back in time to the fifties sixties seventies glass bottles were sick bottling companies were centrally located and they wanted their bottles back because we they were hey offensive and then they were expensive to lake remake in were not a disposable you had to bring them back time went on bottling became decentralized it became more of a hassle to get those bottles back to where they would be refilled in that program sort of fell by the wayside for many bottling company then it became or bottled water and then we didn't really used by water we would just write drink it right the and so forth time and continuing today there are several states who still collect a deposit and they do get their bottles back and that's not only for glass but also for plastic bottles so imagine if you're driving north university wherever you see trash i see monmouth university 'cause that's where going where arc plastic bottles were you know five ten cents each you're you wouldn't see them as much as you do they would get picked up if they had a value they would get picked a look at the back of this bottle defy or ten fighter ten of those different standards and wrote in connecticut killers plenty of reasons why not why not at the bottom bill they don't work meghan thought in legislatures all across this nation but i believe with what we're seeing with amount of plastic trash it is everywhere and more of it is coming in the recycling industry cannot handle it all we're gonna have to revisit that house going back high the actresses yeah it won't be what it was in the seventies when we got to you know five ten twenty cents back on the bottle it won't be that physical won't necessarily be glass that you're you're sending back but it would be the plastic and not for refilled but just to retire on it return turn it for recycling right yeah and somehow you know that deposit that you pay whoever doesn't get their deposit back that those monies get funneled into helping pay for the recycling up and so i know there's like the three ars 'em reduce consumption first of all reduced the packaging reviews and then recycled last december fourth arm there's about twenty seven i've come up with yeah i say i of of course it's not me then you see raider the greater community of people who are like totally obsessed with trash the rethink the redesign the other refill nation i went to like you to concert in new orleans once a year so back and much to my surprise they had a refillable cup that you could get a drink in mhm and then you returned it at the end of the concert and got you're deposit back i wanna say it was like a silicone cup like i can't remember maybe the large plastic cup but 'em yeah so refill oh known you rethink responsibility there's lots of reasons like the a waste community has taken it and really run with that i say waste community and i should better defined as v zero waste community i consider myself and my 'em in the nonprofit then i'm a part of a part of the zero waste community end 'em to define zero waste for winter when i mean by that is that it's having on goal of producing no waste that would go into a landfill or have to be burned it'd be rid gotten rid of an like once you say that people look at you like well she yes she joined the chicken bone like serious like you know there's so many things at what do you do but throw them away soil typers 'em there's so many things that you would think you just have to throw them away but the zero waste is more of a mindset that says okay so if have to throw it away that's that's just the design of whatever it is and i'm throwing away for design of a chicken no of course we don't have always throw away chicken bones that could be compost but it's either support designer i'm not thinking about it clearly enough or i don't have the resources available to figure out how compost a chicken bone and it's not really done and you're backyard it can be done but zero waste is eight goals mindset that anna goal not did she would ever full yourself and think that she could eventually one day magically produced no waste but at least you're you have the goal you know it's like those companies where we've got the picture on the gate when you roll zero accidents that certain goals rate they don't ever say well we have just twenty seven accidents of like finger loss in just maybe ten of of hearing impairment zero showing the rats no infringe hero because that's where we wanna be so i mean you get to where you wanna be by having the goal and so the the yellow vest movement is v roadways outrageous there's definitions yeah but that zero waste international alliance has has that end they say that zero waste is conservation of all resources by means the responsible production consumption reuse end recovery of products packaging materials cereals without burning and we know discharges to land water or air that threatening environment or human helps a little bit about burning you will decide so well my grandfather in the old days just burning his trashing the nifty oil daryl in the backyard but you know it's something different every pot is that heralded at sarah said no my dad's 'em he burned trashed illegal yeah like in his nineties but 'em a lot of communities a specially in more higher populated areas and the north east they've had turned to incineration in one way that incineration has been tweaked to feel better if it's being that the energy produced by bernie are trash can be converted energy and that's all great with stable government stable environmental laws perfect perfect maintenance and upkeep of incinerators perfect no accidents zero 'em in it's it's you know in zero waste movement they would say it's impossible to have an incinerator that doesn't eventually caused problems for the people that have two lives next to it right and breathe see 'em yeah thee well the fans but then there's also a toxic gas that's purdue and so that's what they're talking about in that respect is that bernie is not the answer even if you call it waste energy 'em there's another method of treating trash especially plastic trash at i'm gonna get into around that may not be able to speak quite clearly on all aspects of but it's called paralysis at p y r o l i s i s n it is sometimes called oh making fuel out of plastics that's kind of what you'll see it as you know written up we could makes you a lot of plastic with this process called parrella says it's another complicated process that takes a lot of infrastructure to make it economically feasible end to make make it non threatening environment and it's also convoluted way to deal with waste it okay so we we've done these petroleum products out of the ground they have become packaging for for a little while you enjoy some fresh devito or lipstick which i like sticking whatever whatever you and then it's gone and now it's become you know good trucked here truck there and then it makes it to a power ellis's plant maybe and then it becomes a fuel that is burned in creates you in the process and like i said i don't know a lot about the process itself but in the end you've made a release convoluted in energy intensive intensive fuel and there's better ways to fuel are wrangles is end like recycling it's sort of excuses see the need which is what it all comes down to the need to rethink how much we assume you know it excuses it this is such a simple example but i remember one summer i went with my daughter tailored to the beach and we were so proud of herself catherine in it i know you would laugh at this the way you love but we were there several days and we only had half a bag of trash and what we did was we just eight fresh like we just a fruit we brought salad mix things i think i baked chicken but we really i just i didn't buy canned goods i didn't buy any processed foods but it wasn't because of his trying and not have ways but it ended up we looked at it went wow we didn't have any ways because we just eight well but we ate thoughtfully we didn't you know like they don't have chickens in my backyard to lay eggs i'm not like martha stewart where i've got these gardens and all but you know like jason here will hear from in a minute but we just spot thoughtfully and it was delicious c j i know that we felt teachers are good in bed i know but if you put out like accidently be like like the way i'd be healthy no trans zero waste movement needs of a diet that's like hey all you only eight well as how many people were following lena's darn whole thirty diet where there's so many rules you know just know what i think is on god i like this would be a great diet the rule is it could have no packaging yeah yeah you're gonna start lesson since you're not gonna start you know like you said like you never really nice diet that is specially if you avoid packaging yeah but i mean we just felt good the win at the end of the week were like man we don't have any trying to of it was kind of fun but we we were just trying to be thoughtful in what we could soon but it was less consumption and more just enjoying life and not opening cans opening boxes opening plastics we just didn't do that you know and what you're trying to say here is that will be good stewards of the week and we try to do that at home to right but i mean to be short look you know environmentalism kim get to be like this moralism you know you don't wanna be scared to tell you friends kids heads no come on plastic straws last weekend but it it shouldn't be it shouldn't be because we are all together working in community in you know you go to a friend's house and they offer you something or other on a styrofoam plate and like yeah okay so what like they've offered you something like i think it's important not to lose lose focus i mean there's there's plenty of things that i do that if i sat around with someone who has an electric vehicle cool you know and i told him that i went out on a boat that was powered by gas last week and and i'm driving a car that doesn't get the best gas mileage you know there's lots of ways i feel bad about everything i'm doing that's not contributing to a better environment and to me that that like that yeah that that makes us news is what also makes us lose vote goes is thinking that you know somehow we have to be perfect at this and then if we don't but just start pushing for changes i think it at higher levels helps us on the lower level to make the right choices because it just kinda come naturally men's national team not litter if there's a trash can nearby yeah and really if you don't like something out the window but you know more trash can i know but you're dad buddy wants to hear that their dad taught me and i know he teaches the boy scouts this but if you can catch kids when they're tiny when they're little and teach them you know to be good stewards of our planet then you raise people that will be good stewards but we have to start somewhere we have to start with raising awareness like you are and i know you've had so many things you've learned and you've learned from your parents and you're you know you told me yesterday you're not an environmentalist but i know that you're a good steward of alex you have sorry about my dad okay so do you remember when coke bottles were kinda short and fat six ounces whenever that was i had these strong memories of us out in the goal and were kind of going near in ice juries and like one of my brothers just chucking bottle and i didn't say anything like we do we check their models sounds like you what you know but like fast forward a couple of years and my dad like no put that back in the ice chest and i brought his whole you know 'cause he's an environmentalist now but i almost feel like i've kinda come full circle in that when you consider environmental cost of shipping a glass bottle hitler in there to maybe be recycled or not recycled i don't know maybe automatic but chewing consider this there is a project in newark i i'm not promoting voting littering you're glass bottles please don't want anyone take that away from the podcast but 'em they a there's a project called the glass land project in new orleans at my i have not kept up with with on my radar at one point i don't know where they stand today on their project but they were collecting glass that was being crushed and then you somehow in coastal restoration oh his glasses basically silica sand not that it's what we want a rebuild are close to it but i think there were certain right they were experimenting with using it first so another thing in 'em in new orleans that i've witness that's something i'd like to see happening more here in lafayette is see a food waste mhm composting posting we compost are are green waste hearing laugh yet which is your pad yard on the back like this is a good thing that laugh at implemented in the early nineties more out of pressure because we had district trucking are ways to louisiana which is is about an hour drive on the interstate so is warning of pressure but some people start feeling the pressure of of coming up with other items weekend avert from sending two wells or as i was telling jason and you know what if wells decided to cut us off we'd be in a fix if they wouldn't take are trash anymore i jokingly but you know my it may be something my children have to deal with my grandchildren might have to deal i say may will they're gonna fill that hole eventually especially parts of the world are taking all right and i just wanna clarify we were talking earlier before the podcast laughing at perish doesn't have a place you can just drop off big trash autumn's in that right like we don't have a a big yard don't you gotta perish if you've got a trash shut in construction demolition debris we have a few landfills that are kudos to latvia and key liberia but not in lafayette i think that's what i randomly might be one that's construction demolition debris yeah and the civic categories but this household garbage right no mhm if you've got things you don't fit in your trash can it has to go things that don't fit and you're trashcan there's one so we'll pick it up get younger bulky items picked up but it's sense out of perish at this point yeah go swells to yeah yeah so so most of us don't realize what's happening and we could be cut off so don't start that reminder no ill will towards the welsh and they do such a nice thing by sticking are very common we've got jason sikora here taping taping the show catherine which writer solutions and jason i know coming from the west coast you probably have some thoughts about the i have all sorts of things first of all thank you for being here thanks for having me on recordings yeah a couple of comments yes you should all have chickens compost there in randolph amen so we have zero a food waste because between between the compost in the chickens if the chickens can have this was the compost there wow so literally no food waste goes in the garbage bitch because either gonna it's gonna get eaten by chickens or become posted which is claiming they're like beans and like what kind of things kaelin the contents of coffee grinds paper og chips credit rats yup and then all that becomes the basis for a garden in the spring which which is why we have great gardens so yeah it's it's just the again just recycle everything the best you can deposit fee i'm glad you brought that up group michigan we ten cents and so after every concert went to a concert his kid and after every football game baseball game there were several people with bags walking around the parking lot cleaning up all those plastic end in glass plastic glass and aluminum because you've got ten cents back every single can so you could i mean you could make some box you could pay fewer concert ticket just by walking around for half hour after a concert you answered a so i i told my wife that you're coming out today in so she sent me some questions about the first one was so she's from minnesota where they didn't do they recycled everything paper waste in schools food ways went to the pig farms and i think you talk a lot about paper recycling in schools but what's the big why isn't just the things really just cost is that what it comes down to why isn't what what recycling in schools why isn't that just something that is already in place is it because of costas because people don't think enough about it or the schools had intermittently intermittently tried to have recycling there was a grant here a four h club there they had tried to implement it and there were a lot of teachers we discovered who were carrying at home oh god bless the teachers so what they didn't have a unified effort and so they pay for their garbage in a unified way so what they needed whether unified effort to make it feasible double economically does that make sense the superintendent where nobody was saying let's all get together and do this because if we all do it it makes it cost effective for the waste management company to sign up for it they were all doing it sporadically it wasn't even the fact that the average fair the law was there in some ways but it wasn't unified gunning down now jason is being it is yeah the the the superintendent was behind it in the school board yeah these parents to kind of get the bandwagon going to say we can make it happen right and i think the next challenge for school is the food waste there's a nasty eight approved method that works and it is approved the fdr is these federal agency that oversees are child's much programs in the public schools and they have approved what's called share table in these share tables are set up in school districts that are willing to allow them because they meet the health codes the local health cuts so they have to agree with local health codes end but they can be set up in school and then basically a table in the cafeteria where if a student does not want their food or a portion of their meal they put it on the table i eat a banana that hasn't been peeled a gram cracker that's package you know there's a lot of items that are served in the public school system iser packaged or unpeeled and that can be put on a share table in used by other students who were a little bit hungry you're doing that meal period or can be used and after school programs a lot of schools have after school programs that 'em they keep kids till about five or so when parents get off of work so that concept share tables is something that is good could be easily implemented are public school system and you know we have lots of private schools is well that could likely set similar system will instilling this mindset in and everything's gonna be a big part of it i mean if you if you now eighteen years from our recycling it's just a no brainer right right and there's a myth that you're not supposed to share food at school because like dear friend could be think they're they're told not to share but with this f d h approval of this program it's it can be institutionalized at this point in europe over the skirt the disposal what the proper way to dispose of paint oh i'm so glad you has the proper way to ask a friend or friend or another friend if they need it and then you share it perfect that is the best way to share it with someone who needs it if none of your friends are painting anything the next best ways to hold onto it until a household hazardous waste day which the next one will be october nineteenth and then myself and other volunteers will blend it and it'll be resold old or if that's not doable for you you would pop open you're paint cans let's say you have for paint cans say maybe wanna make sure that each of these four paint can the only have about half the amount of paint and and let's back up first she needed verify that it's latex paint okay take pay you look on the directions if you can still random it will say cleans up with water also so when you pop it open it typically does not smell of gasoline if you papa bear you're paying canada smells like gasoline has proudly oilbased clothes it and you wait till the next house who has his way state but if it easily taxi verified that if optimal open there at least half full or less than half then you use kitty litter doesn't have to smeller cullum third do anything special just has to be kitty litter and you feel the paint cans with kitty litter stir it a bit till it's like this bulky dry oatmeal consistency and you leave it open till it dries out and when i say dries out that means you go back with a stick if you touch the stick in and it leaves no markets dry enough to then put the lid back on and throw it away okay got a problem with latex paint is it becomes part of these juice that falls out of a garbage truck or shaped is what it's called an it also becomes part of the leech eight that leaks out of a landfill that's one of the number one things at a landfill has to constantly monitor their lichi production the do it comes out of our garbage and get some voda lesley quinn especially harmful goods we send to the landfill the better it is that the surrounding lands around the landfill do not become contaminated with those with more importantly art water table are chico aquifer certainly in terms of a waste pick up so there's the recycling pickup there's the standard household garbage pickup the news yard waste pick up as well in terms of recycling in yard waste how is this is a question of my wife how is all that sorted after the fact 'cause we just put or aluminum and plastic and everything and recycling and then just assume that's going off and something magic happens and it is magic okay is that what it says about her cat is actually at the material recovering facility in batting ruse a couple of weeks ago and it is called the material recovery's facility you'll hear it also referred to as they murph basically the sorting facility so it all goes in name big truck too bad andrews and it gets pushed out of the truck some have these walking floors kinda cool it all gets pushed out in then it goes up on conveyor belts where humans real people pick off the trash the obvious trash the plastic bags y'all quit put and plastic bags and the recycling v bowling ball's a dead animals anything that someone has tried to root for go which players go like i think my dog should leave again right 'em those things are plucked off by real people with live in family and gloves so throwing away the the means stuff they've recovered weapons and mannequins and no purses all kinds of things alone but after that the materials go through a system of conveyor belts where the paper the flat and paper and that's why they ask you to fat and you're cardboard cardboard box is one of the reasons another bulky if you don't but the paper gets like flipped off because it's flat 'em there are a series of magnets and eddie currents magnets get the steel the eddie currents it's repel v aluminum end then if i can't remember if batteries has any optical sorters but you're more fancier sorting facility is they will have optical voters that are lasers that optically optically sort the plastics interesting and then so it really is magic it okay and it's dirty and technology argument 'cause you know there's lots of little things we want to try to recycle and they kind of that kind of falls through the cracks so as i was saying previously if the goal is not to recycle more recycling is not the answer you avoid the ways to avoid the recyclables you know as much as you can avoid packaging a hit mixture nicer diet good omen like some you know don't try to recycle that little plastic strip it comes around you're male john like just don't just throw it away it's gonna fall through the cracks anyway you know cast all right they don't want caps on the bottle and they they can you can because of technology at this point and how they're recycling plastics you can leave things happen and you can also in the yard waste what happens with that glad you asked that to right out of the window where i work i watch what happens and it comes in my truck if you're talking curbside rent collection comes in my truck in its dumped off onto it pad where it goes into a big pile and then it spread out with a front end loader so that two people real people with families work in the heat the cold the rain the snow envy pluck plastic bags out of it okay yogurt using those plastic bags yard waste i know you have a stash using up then don't buy new ones 'cause they they don't all get plucked out if you could imagine to people china pluck out all those black plastic bags they get twisted around the branches and some of you could go with tweezers and you'd be there till the next millennium china get it all out after that after this mostly removed all the plastic bags it goes to a grinder that's big unit that is the big tub and we dumped the waste in the grinder and it gets ground up there's there's a three inch screen so anything larger than three inches gets held back and redo ground ochre 'em and then it gets shut out and win a road and we also have eighty large piece of equipment called a scare scare it's a win wrote turner and that turns the windros so that they can be you know the writing process is aided and it's actually compost happens compost you have to do something and so when rowing is the method we youth in lafayette and then people can go pick that up by you could use it again like people can have access to it for their own yards they put we'd sam with everything else so like what happens with that is that caused leads to grow when you used the compost if you get aid if if the composting is being done perfectly end you're getting the right heat and the right temperatures in the windows are being turned away stone has been yes composting does kill the weeds seats in an ideal world in i think you know we've got some good workers there who get the compost turned in a sometimes my to get a bash that you know they might have scraped and actually gotten some weed seeds in the it's it's not a perfect system and they do a darn good job by turning out a lot of calm posted in product with a lot of material coming their way that sometimes includes large tv's being mistakenly picked up of course tickets plucked out there just saying you know this is this is the work that happened up there the large bulky items that accidentally get picked up her thrown into the truck when it's passing that doesn't happen austin doesn't happen often that makes sense and then finally anybody listening a yet just go buy some reusable bags and take those two grocery store who is no reason fuse a plastic bag for a gallon of milk just have a cloth bag back injure vehicle it's easy to do and hey hey it's got a handle it does my bag in the back of my truck i've had the milk and milk how they handle my my cloth bag about moss angeles in two thousand seven i've had it ever since then so for twelve years i've been using the same bag everytime university store but i do like a back famille 'cause if you've ever had milk that leaked like i know it's rare but if it does lincoln your car that a good thing not a good thing though that happened to me once guard guard for are what am i gonna figure being captain jim thank you for going forever thank you jeff thanks for having me so catherine if we if i left that anything that you want it to bring up allied line here had more words it would you know just in case in case i want people to go let me just remind them to go to no waste louisiana ways that laughing at no probably facebook facebook yeah i yeah anything i know i think i think we touched on it all there's some yeah got a little details but i wanna thank you freer dedication to making are world better good steward i i'm not so sure jan but i am glad you're doing online i i love doing well you see i know how you're family i could read my kids they did have that snow cone any a star from i think they're good at telling you though i think you're great influence in are community and i'm hoping that people that listen to this podcast will take it to heart and maybe we can all look at are practices you know think about when we purchase things think about maybe not purchasing something and maybe cooking from scratch more maybe buying less you know less packaged items and reaching out to manufacturers if you've got ideas for things in courage businesses have better practices because it's all gonna matter to us in are children and grandchildren will be inheriting the world that we leave so catherine come with thank you for being an inspiration and for being a guest on discover lafayette into our listeners thank you for your dedication you could find this podcast on discover lafayette dot net is well let's all of our podcast you can also go to apple podcast google play anywhere you get your podcasts to listen to discover lafayette thank you for joining us

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Good outlook spew the bullshit up. My brain. This is Steve Austin on the league. Steve Austin show. I am currently I don't bake Asian recharge and batteries. But just because I'm recharging the batteries. We still got business to take care of. In the meantime, we'll be playing some of the most requested Steve Austin show classics have been locked away in the archives. I got a great one for you this week. And here's my producer shown to tell you all about it. Welcome to another classic episode of the Steve Austin show's producer, Sean here on the eve of the eve of the eve of wrestlemainia thirty five very exciting weekend this weekend for all of us wrestling fans and very exciting Thursday for you wrestling fans 'cause you guys get to listen to a classic episode with Johnny moon. Dough also known as Johnny impact also known as Johnny nitro also known as John Morrison also known as just John Hennigan episode number two thirty eight original air date. July sixteenth two thousand fifteen around this time our buddy here. Johnny Mundo is the biggest star of Lucia underground. They just wrapped up season one of that show. And you do hear Steve and John talk about matches that Johnny Mundo has with Alberto L patrol on as well as prince Puma, aka ricochet. Also, they talk about John's experiences and tough enough as well as some of his time and WB particularly a why he left over to be and how injuries factored into that. And if you would possibly end up returning, as you know, now, Johnny boondoggle is now Johnny impact where he is currently impact world champion and still going strong. There's an interesting point where Steve does talk about with John about his plans for what could be going on five years for now for him. And we're pretty much at the end of that span and Jonah's still doing his thing. Strong out in the ring. And they do talk about his film aspirations John did study film in college. So they talk about his aspirations in that field as well. As Boone the bounty hunter, a film that John produced and wrote himself. Which believe he can still find on net. Flicks. If you are so inclined this day. See Boston history today being April fourth start off in one thousand nine hundred eighty two in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania. Barry Windham and Dustin Rhodes, defeated WW TV champion, Steve Austin and Larry's Bisco I didn't have to change this from Tuesday show. Same result. Then nineteen ninety-five in Atlanta, Georgia at a WW Saturday night, taping a US title tournament was announced because previous champion Vader was stripped of the title for hospitalizing. Dave Sullivan, and one of the first round matches was Jim Duggan versus Steve Austin, which Steve go on to lose and eventually sting. We'll go on to win the title nine thousand nine hundred eight in Manchester England, it's mayhem in Manchester. This with an actual VHS release. I believe WWF world champion stone cold Steve Austin, defeated dough WF European champion triple h with China, and then in one thousand nine hundred nine we're staying in England in Birmingham England dote of world champion Steve Austin, and the big show defeated the rock and Ken shamrock. Got man formation from the history of WWE dot com are coming up in just a second. It's a man of many names, you know, Emma's Johnny impact. But here's Johnny Mundo. And he's on a classic episode of the Steve Austin show. All right. Bye. Listen up wrestlemainia is just Sunday. April seven live from MetLife stadium with the epic made event of rowdy, Ronda Rousey vs. Charlotte flair versus demand, Becky Lynch. If you're set on going to the showcase of the immortals, our friends at vivid seats can help you make that happen on your terms vivid seats, the top source for tickets for all the live events. You wanna go to they make it easy for you shorten by price. And letting you look for seats in the section and row of your choice to make things even better vivid seats is given listeners of my show only an exclusive code for new customers to receive ten percents off your first ticket order to save even more money. Just go to the app store or the Google play store and download vivid seats mobile app. First time customers can use code stone. Cold for ten percent off your first, vivid seats order from the biggest, concerts and games, the hottest live events and more vivid seats has it all. Download the app and enter code stone. Cold for ten percent off your first order, vivid seats. On to Liege. Johny moonville had reached out to me awhile back about being on cat. But would ride I said man validate, great time to talk to John Doe, formerly John Morrison former Johnny nitro you gotta love it. Love less names. You've heard of people demand thousand holes this guy the man of thousand last name's Johnny Mundo. Welcome to three sixteen gimmicks. Just good to see you, man. You look like a million bucks. Good a good to be seen million bucks. A million pesos. A million bucks is worth more than the peso's. Okay. I all physical appearance you still look good. You're you're thirty five years old. Right. Right. What are you doing right now? Dude, I sell some videos of you doing some push up some stuff against the wall. Obviously. I know you've got that. Poor core background crazy at letting what is your four shoot. What is your fitness routine? I know you do that stuff. So I mean, I actually have a whole fitness product that I created. It's a it's called Addy mine, fitness. It's a functional training regimen. And it's a lot of bodyweight exercises using way to quit for assistance rather than resistance. And I'd say I do that exact program. Six days a week for an hour to an hour and a half, it's like resistance training, like lifting weights in addition to that. I usually do some kind of skill based training five times a week boxing MMA drained sometimes downtown with your buddy, Josh Burnett. Yeah. Before we roll sound. You said you live downtown now. Yeah. He's a yeah. His his spot over down there at tap out. Is is a a great place. Yeah. He's if you're going to train them may he's the kind of learn from right, man, that's a big band. And so usually like the the weight training in some kind of skill based thing in the skill is more like training cardio. So if it's or boxing or par core some kind of stunt corio. That's usually just what happens with what I'm doing my schedule again but for cardio life. Like one of you know, so literally like if you express if I'm training that'll be my cardio. Okay. So if I'm if I'm in the doctor gone at tap out for for a couple of hours like some of its skill based. But then we'll just roll live. And if it's like a half hour of like, a China tap, somebody out or not get tap. Yeah. Actually, say about fifteen minutes. That is very intense. I never knew us it may stuff. Well, I don't think I'm ever going to be like competing in any. But I was those a high school wrestler or college wrestler, and it's like I ruled jujitsu in college for a little bit. It's it's something that I like to do because it's more interesting than run on a treadmill or did you get the high school collegiate level? It was a champion here. Born and raised seen captain like a junior and senior year in high school up in Palo Verde peninsula and wrestled for only one year UC Davis, which is d one right? But I ended up not having really bad knee injuries. But I tore my meniscus on both knees and had two surgeries back to back at the end of my first year, and it was just enough to bump me off my head like the eye of the tiger. I was not not partying not drinking nothing except a weights and training for wrestling. My first half of my freshman year college, and then after those two surgeries and just bought me off that track. And I started like going out having a good time. And I really wanted to get into stuff fighting. I didn't really identify that. I wanted to do pro wrestling at that time. But when I when I left collegiate wrestling, I started doing kung FU jujitsu and gymnastics because I was trying to prepare for a career in stunts, and that kind of just took over what made you want to pursue the network. Just a love of movies. Yeah. Part of the reason. I started wrestling in high school is because I was abused wrestling fan. And then I was always a huge fan of Jackie Chan and know like good old predator, die hard. Let's board those kind of movies. And at think, I I was a film. Major also easy. Davis writes, I wanted to produce and star in action films, but you had another major to jealousy geology. Now. What are we going gonna do that? That was see that was what I was. I was pretty idealistic. I thought that geologists were kind of like Indiana Jones, you know, like, golden exploring places fighting gold mines and stuff. And when I when I got into it. It's actually really complicated. You have to take chemistry advanced calculus and a lot of this explosion. Now is like there's no gold mines that haven't been discovered the stuff is seismic exploration. So you have to set charges and look for like oil shale deep beneath the the ocean, which still sounds cool. But it's it's not like a you're you're on a on a tank. Joe you're gonna be in a lab doing a lot of calculations or analyzing soil sediments for some reason it just when I started getting into the actual work of what a geologist. Did. It wasn't what I thought it wasn't as creative in for filling in outdoorsy. So did you end up finishing college? Yeah. So I applied for for tough enough to my senior year, and I didn't make it and I got rejected from tough enough to and literally graduated June fourteenth. I walked June fifteenth. I was in Denver for tough enough three. And it was like the final round of acceptance. And I found out that they accepted me like a week after you did get the degree in film. Yeah. Okay. And now you're starting to pursue some of that now. Yeah. And it was it was always something that I what? I mean because. And people say what are they teach you about them? Now, we'll have acted a little bit. And you're getting more into that. So what do they actually teach you as a film may? That's a very good question. And I feel like you could almost just teach yourself mostly what you need to know in a in college. My major was film, aesthetics, and culture. So it was watching old Japanese movies like German movies, you study German expressionism? You study like the new wave like movement in French cinema old western movies, all these all these different things and a lot of it is like theory, and I feel like sometimes in school. They're training you to be more of a film critic. And that isn't exactly what I wanted. Anyway, what I wanted was to be more of a great guy like making this writing stories making degree wasn't exactly filmmaking. No, it was not what she's got into it for me because I'm thinking. Okay. Your film major you're learning how to make movies, but not the case it was as close as I could get UC Davis. Right. If I was at UCLA could have I could've done filmmaking could've done TV production. But they didn't really have a lot of options that UC Davis. It's more of a it's more of an agriculture school. If you want to be a winemaker or geologist, it would have been perfect or an engineer, and I didn't really decide I wanted to do film until I switched majors two years in. Okay, now, wishing earned talk thirty five years of age and reading about you and just doing the short of amount of research that canoe and talking to you now, currently take an acting classes. Yeah. If you could go back in time, would you take would you have done drama in high school, and would you have taken more? Or would it be theater yards, which is called when you go to acting school? Yeah eater. You know what I'm saying? I know what you mean. But would you have gone down that road know what you know now and having worked on some some lower budget stuff. First of all like, I don't think I would change anything some pretty happy with how it works out. And I also I took some acting classes in high school, and as part of my film, major took maybe six different acting classes at UC Davis. And did a couple of the smaller productions the just the plays that they had there and. I don't think I would have changed anything. Currently. I was reading that. You're taking some more active classes to help you with promo work truly so studied with with Howard find for a while. He was wonderful. Who's a when did you study with him from right when I left like the end of twenty eleven I left WWE and then between like twenty twelve twenty thirteen hours in Howard studio. Now, whenever I will never get addition. Or if I book role I'll go back there and coach little bit. There's a guy named Hank bearings. That mentally going to go to after this on an addition and another coach, I have is a guy named Joseph Perlman and all these guys just it's like learning from from different people like Howard fine has led a hog in like a lot of comparison. Type like finding similarities from your childhood to compare stuff to Joseph's is like a much more practical approach for how to prepare. It actually deliver on set. And Hank his good at identifying. Specifically, what's interesting about you? And if you're. Not doing that in a in a role. How to bring that out how to make that performance more interesting. But still be honest about it. So all those different people have different approaches kind of nice to spread out and learn from different people talk about now urine, carnation gentleman. Doe. You've been with Lucy underground now for about a year you guys precision to. Yes, he's in ones is in the can we've we've shot at thirty nine episodes in light like you said the season. Finale, your turn them in to me. I saw you working w w because I was there, but I was on my own thing. And then you know, I left you were still there. One second. You remember do you? Remember calling me one time like I had a match Jeff Jeff hardy, and you saw it on TV, and you called me just to just to talk this to talk. She talking about the match like. At that time had road that loop with MS Matt hardy and Ken Anderson, and I don't know if you know that you're not, but can Anderson doesn't awesome impersonation of you. And so that whole that whole ride we were taught we're doing stone-cold impersonations. And for some reason like we got the hotel after like laughing and having a good time in the car, and you call. Hey, John Morrison. I was like oh, hey, Ken. What's up, brother? And I thought you were Ken for like, two minutes or three minutes before it dawned on me that it was really you. Every now, and then I'll see something to someone does or whatever that resonates with me are seeing that they're getting a grasp of thanks. I'll call them out of the blue. And so yeah, I do that. But in watching I'm watching right now, I guess this is one of your first matches with prince Bouma. She first match back after three year layoff match. I'd been working, and I still do still work independent wrestling shows, but not nearly as fulltime as a been on the road. I haven't worked full schedule until Lucia underground. And that that is one of the first like matches that I had been in quite a while because vampire and strike or a little bit about ring Russ. But really there's no ring rose here. One of the things that I noticed in watching this match first of all your work here in which to me is much more polish and wave down the road than you work wasn't WWE. And then also man the Jesus Christ. I guess you guys. And that what was it the match all where Princess? Russia are the ironman match the all night long match you all night long. Yeah. It was all right. Because you go into Dr quite does office, and he's got the proposition for you. Right. I love the way those things are shot to me because that's about as close to acting as you're going to get without acting. I mean because as their y'all spin and talking to Erik bandwagon. It's it's television show. And then you show up very in character. How was it working with that guy with Dario Cueto? I think that guy really anchors the whole show. He's so talented, very very talented. And it's a it's exactly like acting. It's like being on set. I mean, your lines and they have a little bit of flexibility with the lines. But I would say not as much as as a promo in the ring, which has got to be more bullet points, and you just paraphrase because he'd gone how people are gonna react to you. Right. But these aren't were live crowd. This is like filming TV show. Exactly. So you have lines in their cover it from different angles. Which means you can't. Changing what you're saying every time all but initiating they'll come from nerves perspective. You just see his hands in his shot with you. I mean, it's just good stuff. Love the sunglasses. You weren't how long does it take you guys to knock those out? And that's another thing amazed at how fast they get through those because they're expensive it's expensive to shoot that way. They're usually running like a two camera setup and the shooting on Alexis, I think which is usually the same type of cameras that you see Ray Donovan or any like big primetime like racial shot on and they don't have a ton of time to be shooting these things. So the one you're talking about now where I'm in cueto's office. I think we shot that whole thing in two and a half hours. Right. But we also shot it in English and Spanish. That's what we have to. We have to do the whole conversation and get like zig my coverage in English. And then as soon as we get it. They're like, all right Spanish. So then reset the cameras. Okay. Not talked about talking to me about you. Speaking Spanish talking with Erik. You can you can work through this stuff. Right. Well, I mean, I grew up on the Angeles. Right. And I grew up in Texas and. Right. Rising -ly. I don't speak any Spanish. I also I also they didn't a Mexican girl for a long time had learned about to swear words from her dad. So you don't get stuff. Yeah. Exactly. So I but also took Spanish for years in high school. I lived in lived in Spain for for a summer in college. And which party lesson learned to learn Spanish a little bit better while I was over there. But all those things kind of just I think they're somewhere deep in my brain. Like all those the words they're kind of. Evac stage in the locker room a lot of the guys don't even speak English. Very well. Right. So putting together matches with their star, for example in Spanish. And it's just a I think it's just the more. You do it. The better you get at it. Oh, absolutely repetition comes on job training and rep leads to and more efficient, and I'm trying to make a point of like speaking Spanish rather than having my voice dubs and at the beginning. I was clunky here. And there was a couple a sit down interview van Piero, and I just had to have them have cue cards because that was like a like a five minute conversation and. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. So so that one I had to do in Spanish, and that one I needed you cards for okay, I wash English merging. But but I enjoyed that. Let's talk about Johnny Mundo, the character versus John. Moore said are Johnny nitro or all the name? Who would what is Johnny Mundo? How did you come up with that character and working with those reacting coaches that we just reference how did you apply any of those learnings into what you do? Now. Just from a presence tasted standpoint of the character. I haven't really changed that much between John Morrison and Johnny Mundo. I mean. Mannerisms the primary reason for the name. Switch is just the lucianne ground is trying to own everybody's names. And I don't personally own John Morrison. I if I did I would have used that same name, probably, right? It's kind of annoying constantly be switching names in every every. I wish I so so I do too, but anyway back to you and the wanted my name originally to be Johnny worlds for gender ground. Right. And I thought world it'd be hard to chant and those just world in Spanish. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So it's basically, basically, the the character is like taking elements of who I am with with the volume turned up is most wrestling characters should be and Johnny moonville is. Rockstar type personalities movie like a movie star type guy, and when I came in as baby face at just try to keep the confidence there, but not the narcissism. And then I've always found you turn heel. You just get to play a lot more and turn the narcissism up. You get to start making fun of people you shit. Doesn't stink all of a sudden. And I think you discover stuff about yourself and the character. But there's also that freedom there to fall on your face and not have to worry about it as a baby face. You screw up you blow high spot. You do something wrong. You're held accountable because you're supposed to be a nanny perfect, right? But as a heel, man me more freedom to for experimentation and leeway within the character. And especially in in Lucia because there's so much precision. And so many acrobat it moves like when I turned heel and the gentleman. I thank you because because. Hard to. Prince boom in Phoenix. And these guys are in their twenties nicotine, do pretty much anything and everything and for me to keep up with them as a baby face was was interesting and fun, but the pressure's off a little bit because nice to hear us. Yeah. I keep up in a different way. Are you considering a Ruto now is that a correct Rudo Rudas the grill? He'll he'll in Mexico. Okay. And technical is would be the face. Okay. Man. I was just sitting there watching the maximum principle. And then of course, you know, that the the all night match, and there's a difference in that match. And was that because of the Hilton why you're so much more aggressive in that second bout that was it. Yeah. Man for first of all, I I didn't see any ring to here. And like I said NS matching work his way out of it wasn't Debbie, especially now with the hill. Switch nude. I love how decisive you are executing. No hesitation you. You said to yourself. You said competence. I see much more confident performer in the ring. Maybe it's dude because at thirty five. Consider you've been in business. What ten twelve years most twelve years now? Okay. And that that's kind of that ten to twelve markets when everybody really puts all the pieces together guys learning four five six seven, but that ten to twelve has come that. Holy grail. You know Anderson. Oh, he's talking about this. When guys really comes to the prime and thirty five is a prime money-making ear performing year. So it's all of that. But also the hill aspect as giving you especially here, just a different comfort level. I think my work is definitely evolved. And I've been doing stuff physically at Lucia underground that I never even really attempted at WWE, but really more importantly, the competences there. And I think sometimes when when you're on the road fulltime and you step away, and you get a chance to marinate on who you were in the ring the choices that you made. Why you did what you did while you were wrestling? And when you come back, you have a clear idea of who you want to be in the ring, and I feel like I have. That now with Lucia underground. As far as the handcuffs. Go. I feel like WWE is. The best way to use this metaphor a lot. It's like an express train and the train is moving very fast. And they've they've got a couple of main event guys that are are drawn. I mean, you got you got sina. You've got take heard people are paying money to see those guys. Then you've got people like like me. I don't dunno Ziglar MS like that are there. They're on the show, we have followings and people want to see our matches. But really the most important are the are the main event guys. And when I say handcuffs, sometimes with WWE I felt like I wanted to be the main event guy. I wanted to be the guy that could come up with any idea I wanted and have it have it happened. And just the way the business works over there. You can't have that for everybody. You know, you just you just can't scanners too many gash. And at Lucia underground, I feel like I am that guy. Like, I'm I'm the main event guy. I'm the guy that I can walk into talk. Eric could. Could I talked to him yesterday? Just call him on his cell. I can talk to all the creative guys. And if I have an idea, I can tell them what I wanna do. And why I want to do it. And then we can discuss like, yes, no why not or win. And I just feel like I have more creative atonomy at Lucia underground. And that's what I meant by handcuffs. And because we're not sitting here. Bashing w. Different machines. And in the in the in the context of wrestling promotions. Of course, you're going to bash each other. That's the that's the whole thing. Yeah. There's no malice intended. It just says what an extra two different systems. Right. It's funny because I've noticed it too. And you hit the nail right on the head when I stepped away for a while and looked at what I was doing know had a different approach on it. And like, although I've been out of the wrestling business since two thousand and three I continued learn because I continue to watch more. I'm still very informed as far as what I would be doing now or how someone is coming across show or what the work is and looking at the quality of work. So you were able to take the time off and reevaluate and assess and see, okay? It's a whole different stamp wipe. Yeah. I was like say that sometimes you're so far to force. You can't see the trace Ron of you clear out a little biggest head space thing. Okay. Man. Check it out. Here's a whole different presentation. I'm coming from a different place now, and as a more well well rounded approach, and I kinda was talking to Tyson Kidd, you know, he just went out to get his neck used evidence it hey, many downtime. Anderson keep watching the business, but now that you removed from it look at who moves you and promos, look it who resonates with you are listening to the crowd and watch the gas, and then watch you guys and listen to the corral drop off and try to analyze you know, where they'll also ground. Why these guys had to crowd and miss other two guys didn't. So that's that's the way I always approach the business. I want to get a chance to watch. I still do that. And I think he I think absolutely. I think we're talking about the same thing, you just get that chance to to marinate and think about it. And for me, it just became like easier to simplify like the most. Simple way to explain the business that people in this may be another reason why this is the time helped me a lot of times, you do independent wrestling shows and you end up doing a seminar and doing a class and teach the students wherever you are like I did one for since he knows wrestling school a few months back in Toronto, and like young a group of young wrestlers, and they're asking you questions and you're like oh shit. Now, I gotta I gotta think about it. And it's questions for myself and the most simple answers to a lot of the questions that get asked. These seminars is like the most simple way to explain psychology of wrestling is baby faces give the crowd what they want and he'll take it away. And you just reduced everything you're doing if you're a baby face or heel to that everything kind of becomes clear like should I do this? Or should. I not do that. Like, are you face is the crowd wanna see that? Then you are you baby face and does the crowd not want to see that. Then not do that. It's interesting. I should very linear approach to explain it in a basic psychology of the business right to that. But I see what you're talking about. And there's there's a million different approaches that absolutely I've never heard of. But it's a good way supreme economical inefficient way of saying parameters. Then the next question. It's always the hardest. Is you explain like that? And then people ask what what are the people want and figure that out then you said your. Got it. Vacuous back into those guys that s question you, go out there, and you do something to elicit a response based on that response you proceed accordingly and that is basically what pro wrestling is. Grandma, had logging new deuce do whatever you do. And then you listen to the ground and is always funny. Johnny is you know, it's one thing we're going to get this match. What we're gonna talk about here in a second. But man, you gotta listen to the crowd. No matter right, work, if we're talking fifteen twenty years ago, I'll call it in a ring and even way before you know, just just to finish all you knew when you went to the ring versus, you know. Hey, everything that that eight z you still got to listen to the crowd as far as timing. And you know, we've got time cues and everything like that commercial rice is what is it's a very complicated system. These days and guys are on top or Gaz that are good have got to be able to survive and make those elements work form going back to your your second match with principal. They all night match. I went back when your Twitter account. You said that was probably the greatest match if your life. I would agree that was in bad ass mash that. Anybody would be proud to have a part of man net. Bom you guys all built from a love the way the machine when he took a two or to one lead on you. Yeah. The one I love the the finish that you got on him. When you do acrobatic thing where you got into the ropes referee. Didn't see it. Yeah. Good. Good way to cheat. Doug that. And so finally, you guys know get the whole match away. And but you can watch it on on a YouTube just find it. What I think I think if you just you Muno prince poom all night long, come up on YouTube, or it's awesome L rain out there you guys worked about because yet open and close the show you had him. You know, the way the match goes down. So the finish which he has basically worked what fifty five minutes at least fifty. I think we worked over an hour over now. Watch thrash. There was there was there was there were several things that got cut out of the match. Right. So we worked we had break spots. We worked just like a WB TV taping. Basically we had Birch. Yeah. We had a forget how it broke down. But we had like seven minutes break than five minutes then break, and then like the five minutes, and then we wanted to keep the longest chunk at the end. And we this is another thing where we were sitting down. And we were in on this like we were talking about like when with the brick spots be like, what would be most effective, and we were all like agreement that we should have as long time under uninterrupted at the end like the longest chunk should be at the end. If he wanted me to do commercial breaks because TV but the more those we could do up front the better. So we can have more time at the end solid. You guys showtimes. You Brolin crouch were real interesting spots sometimes up there on the corner of that that second layer. And of course, you started setting a table. No. Unintended with the tables. Right. And of course, they weren't to come into play until later, but you set the table when you set into space in that you knew some soon soon enough are at some he's Tampa was going to be used that. That's the beauty of those type of things do things up, you tease it. And then he said something else up, and you tease it again. And then eventually everyone knows someone's going through. News. I love the way that clam accident. Tell me about that. Because when you look back, I mean, spectacular bumps, you know, from for Mick Foley, you know, working with tanker and helped him to sell all of the ladder matches all those guys and Debbie put forward, but I put this a couple of bumps in this match in that ballpark. It was brave. When you fed up. He goes to tackle boom. You guys go down. I know you've kinda lik you've ever done that before you. No. That'd be kind of one of those things. It's a calculator. It's almost like a once in a lifetime bomb. Yeah. And I think there's there's a couple of things at play one was a lot of the people underground myself included have a little bit of a chip on our shoulder about proven that we deserve to be where we're at and proven that. We're the best show on TV. And that was that was going through my mind. Like I wanted to do something that people would watch and be like holy shit. We're not gonna see that anywhere else. But here so that was what was going into that and side note. This is how crazy is we were talking about that stuff. Asian chemistry, by the way. He's like why don't we do a Spanish fly like this? And I'm like. We're already twenty feet in the air. We don't even be doing flips out of the tables. What are you actually wanted to do originally? We were talking about it. Yeah. I'm watching the finish. In the first time you guys and there's a Spanish fly executed. You wanted to you wanted to do that off thing teams? And we we looked at it. And like a. I was like, let's just let's just make sure that we hit the tables, and that set is it's like it's a little bit Janke like it's a concrete slab. But there's like those metal Rebours around it. And some of those things aren't real middle. They're just set deck. So there's no foam. So the first time we got up there. I took a little step on that middle regard it broke because it styrofoam rows like we got to be. Yeah. That'd be pretty careful about what we're doing here. And the way that it turned out. I think was about was perfect. Because when we landed both of us had the wind knocked out of us, and we're both like, I get you. Okay. Okay. For me. I think that's about the max of. Yeah. He shed. Yeah. It was a spectacular mob, and and it captured it wonderfully, and I think go to break, but then it came back, and it we played it like three times. It was cool I replay Lucia history. Yeah. And it was something that I've been on about like for a long time is getting getting a replay camera because some of the spectacular moves that these guys are doing I personally want to wash it over and over again, and you have to rewind the DVR and just seems like it's a replay camera. Here's the thing. I love the match. But now Sioner thinking, they're the only thing that I thought was mission because the finished goes down time runs out. But there never was alive because you guys are going all night long. So you work with the primers of the show. Right. And you gotta say your show that the guy that wasn't anybody counting down to raise that sense of urgency that something needed to happen because you guys were at four four, right. And I only thing I thought was I think it would it would have helped. You're absolutely right, man. You're into the countdown now twenty nineteen eight and I think that the because it's it's a it's a production. That hasn't been used to a lot of wrestling a lot of times, they put the TV show before the wrestling. And then that's that's what I actually I like that. Because then I can come in and say like, no, this is this is a wrestling match the crowd needs to be involved. And I thought of that after which thought of it ahead to. Yeah. But that we originally like the mattress just supposed to end with that that last fall, and it was going to be like that's the end of the show, and we were sitting in meeting like that can't be the end of the show. It's an hour match time. And everyone was like all of a sudden five minutes for the match started like oh shit. Look, let's change this up and fix that. And there's little growing pains and things like that that come up that every episode sometimes there's last minute idea fix and part of that's part of why I love it over there. Just because it feels like everyone's involved. And trying to figure out the solution to all these problems. And it's happening. It's actually like happening so fast that you need everybody to be on the same on the same wavelength, right, man. And again that dude nitpicking, but that would really raise the stakes and when I watch proudest countdown man because anyway, outstanding match it was part of it because they wanted to they wanted to have complete control and post thri able to do the clock time United enough. Five our teen with caffeine from green tea leaves. It's delicious energizing incomes and three amazing flavors with zero sugar and four calories. It fits your life with its compact size import ability. It goes where you go to the campsite, the hiking trail the beach without weighing you down by our team caffeine from green tea. Leaps released your natural side from the makers of five hour energy. For more information, visit five hour, energy dot com. Make sure to stick around after this podcast to get the latest headlines from the AP news minute. Hello guys at semi fighter kale. Senate. Check out my podcast. You're welcome. With jails fun and every Wednesday and Friday right here at podcast one. We cover the latest in mixed martial arts and everything else. Going on in the world of sport. Listen free to your welcome with jail, son and exclusively available at podcast one dot com and on the podcast one app. If you love the show share with a friend and leave us a rating and review. This is Steve all stick on. Transition to work legit. It wasn't that different. From the way that were in my first match 'em debuted in two thousand five our very first match was Eddie Guerrero, and Ramos stereo, we wanted to take the wrong with them through gas. I know. And I've had the chance to work with Ray like maybe not one hundred times, but a lot when I was with WWE, and we had feuds with the Mexico's super crazy and psychosis. So had some experience it wasn't like I was just like venturing off uncharted territory. Definitely learned quite a bit. I think the language barrier was is is a little difficult sometimes and the difference in psychology is is hard. And sometimes instead of completely adapting to Lucia what I think Knicks underground unique and different is blending American psychology with Lucia psychology. And getting some of the the moves to mean more like a harbored. That's that's what I think it should be. I keep always push it that way sense because sometimes like back in the old days, we're shooting redneck Ghana was shot it Mexico. So I'd catch them L L AAA or whatever, but negative Spanish workers down there. Right guys. Veterans a real salt in Atlanta. Stuff and just absolutely very technical. I love to watch that stuff. But just when I watched the totality of the product. I don't really understand the psychology of trying to do because know gas shine or the hill and get some meat. I'm sitting here comes baby back or the Ruto and the technical whenever you want to call them. But I don't necessarily understand the pure psychology of a match. But I appreciate that length system back at you can't a little bit American psychology. And there. What are the conversations I had with a lot of the guys from AAA was if there's a way that we can get in Luke underground people to instead of just chewing for moves because they're going to cheer for moves spectacular to cheer for the people the chair for Phoenix and Aerostar and Puma then I think we're going to turn a corner, and we're going to have something the product is Nikolay different that is going to be appealing to a bigger audience and taking the time to invest in the characters and the characters come alive you're sharing for person. Not just for the fact that the person who knows going to do much credit moves, right? And so it's great when I say, this adagio awesome. But when when both characters main something, and you're doing something, that's awesome. They buy in. That's that's the holy grail is the moments that I remember when I was a kid, you know, when when when you're invested into the characters and the characters do something awesome. Then it means something. Okay. You earn LA? You mentioned your lifelong wrestling fan like a, no. Kurt heading one of your favorites show, Michael favorites, but growing up as a kid, you're thirty five. Some of the guys you were cutting their teeth on low. I mean when I was growing up I used to go to the great western forum back in the day with my dad, and we'd we'd watch the house shows. I mean, the macho man the bush-whackers. Right built into watch wrestling. Then I mean. Town right now, they rebuilding the they they did. Yeah. I just went to great venue. I forget what the name of it was. But it was like a it was like a kickboxing event. Yeah. They had down there. It was real cool. We should rush back here in WCW. And I love that Bill under trying to love that much fear. You guys go down there. But basically, it was WWF stuff. Yes. WWE WWF was the stuff that I watched them. When I was when I was younger, the first guy that I really started watching the most was Cogan knows when I was a little a little kid. He was he was he was guy leading chart news everywhere. That was yeah. It was the same person. Eat my vitamin and him in warrior wrestlemainia six, and I think when I started going to the events with a with my dad here in just how the crowd would react to Cogan like I was just your kid, and you could sit so excited that you get into it. And as I got older macho man really was my guy, and the Bushwacker is the I mean, the the rockers like marginality, Shawn Michaels, the tag teams, legion of doom. If you're a wrestling fan. It's really everybody. Right. I mean, I'd say macho man is one of the guys that had the most influence on who I wanted to be in the ring, really. Because like when I watch you work. I mean, you really remind me of John Morrison or Johnny Mundo show. I'm I guess it's compliment to think you haven't original body of work, right? Launch of obviously. But I I really can't see that has been you from a let's say from it takes them a lot of people though. I mean, it's hard to say like, I'm not just copying somebody. No. No, no. But like, no, you're not. But like piper. I dunno battle off wrestlers all day right here in hitting piper. Macho men HOGAN warrior, Shawn Michaels. And then even even Ray mysterious. He was one of the guys that really started studying when I was a high school college. When I started thinking about the want to have a career as a pro wrestler. He was the guy that I started watching the most closely, but Ray of all people I mean do that he hall of Famer he's gabbing. His style was so thickly just because like when actually not even just Ray. But when him and like super crazy choses came in DC w like just the type of stuff that they were doing hit me because I never really seen it before. Holy shit like and actually and rob to like Robin said woo that holy CW stuff. It was a it was just a different. It was a different style, but wasn't astounded. She figured you can learn or try to emulate because I mean a Harley might do what Ray was doing way back today at the time. That's that's what I thought. I could do what I wanted to do. And I think that was I wouldn't have made the same decision now. Which is which is which is cool because it's just how you evolve as a wrestler, and as as a person I wanted to learn how to do those moves because what I thought was cool. And I thought those moves were cool. And now I understand like, I don't think people would wanna see me do raves moves see. All right. They want to raise. Let's go back a couple of years ago when you own tough enough. Yeah. How did you enjoy that whole experience? What did you? What was your takeaway from that? Because it was tough enough. And then four years of training before you actually had your first match. Correct. Yeah. Just about okay. So you're experiencing in tough enough. Good, bad and indifferent number. I mean, I couldn't I could have hoped for a better opportunity. I mean, I so I try to didn't make it. And then I started training it like a wrestling school in Sacramento, and I would go like twice a week as a full time student and chain supreme pro wrestling at the colonial theatre in Sacramento, and then reapplied for toughened leading. I camp. In the big ugly, a flacco loco grog. And then the game Dante was trainers. There. I knew what they were talking about. They and they were pretty good. And when I replied for of three ended up making it on tough enough three and. When I when I went actually big ugly when I found out I made the show. He's like brother when you get there. Forget everything you learned shut your mouth and just listen to what they teach you and knows he knows the business. That was good advice. And when I got there I felt like it was perfect for me because I was a fan of the business at all, this gymnastics training, and all these ideas and all this energy, and it was an opportunity to learn from the best. And it was Al Bill and ivory were the trainers on that season. Tough enough algae to me allergy great teacher and a lot of people have told store if you times before came up to WWF way back in the day. I was going come from trash up tear, and I don't work like two or three matches at easy w which will really matches. And so a told bench. Comments when it hardware say man against ring stole my life to Lima Ohio and to ask camp and work with him for about five six days shut them up there and work with Alan de low. And so our wonderful to me. I respect for his entering a building. And what you can do. Right. And as a teacher, so you can remember actually before the submission match. I had with Bret Hart. Russ mate thirteen out taught me that two or three submission move, the Texas cloverleaf and one or two other ones, but I learned from out of snow there in his camp in limbo, right? Yeah. I teach. I think well, I think it's Bill is to I would happen with the calamity that ensued down in Florida at Orlando with him. But I I enjoy I think Bilas damn good instructor as well. For for where I was on tough enough. Bill was perfect. I mean, he's he's a hard s and he's aggressive, and he makes you mix mixture you have respect for the business and on on that show tough enough. That's what you need because there's a bunch of a bunch of kids, some are respectful, some aren't, but everyone's green grass, and you need you need somebody like builder, and you need somebody like Al and everybody's got a roll, you know, and everybody is there for a reason. And I thought that I I still think my season was the best season. We'd probably because I was on film at we lived in a house up in the mountains and Calabasas, and we filmed down in who's over there somewhere. I think it was like north Hollywood we filmed that big studio film major. Berthe Faure into TV correct thoughts about how the reality television aspect broke down for you. The very first day. I was there. And I remember watching the cameras in like like kind of walked off the mat to look at it. And I'll snow come up like right right next to my face and goes, hey, hey, are you here for that you here for wrestling? And I was like oh shit. I'm here for wrestling can think about that stuff later. But for now, let me just like think about wrestling think about what I'm learning, and I tried to tune that out as much as as much as they could after that. Because I realized like I can't do. I mean, some people can't and I can't I've got. I've got kind of like a singular focus a lot of times if I focused on one thing, I can get really good at it. But if I try to do too many things at once just kind of average or less at all of them do that to my wife. I'm the worst multitasker and world, and you give me one thing. I'm cool. Right. Sudden you start spreading attention span over about three or four projects. I'll had to bet every single tap. Yeah. I don't like to multitask now. After that, you go to OB w. Yeah. So when I got Lovie w j Davis was there in Jim cornet was running it and we had good Lance storm come in. And I feel like he's one of the best trainers that I had my whole career. I can't say nothing about lanes. Nash. Yeah. I really enjoyed the way. He. The way he explained stuff and the way he ran practice because that was when I was at w that was the time where I felt like Bill would come and train. And I got a lot more from Lynch than Bill at the time because lenses opinion was that you job is a pro wrestler is to get in shape. Do your homework, and when you get to when you get Opie w it's time to learn about, wrestling and psychology. And that's how I was treating it. I was doing my cardio and those spending like two or three hours the gym on my own time every night after practice and during practice, I was just trying to focus on on wrestling, which is what was lances Forte's explaining. And sometimes if we had to do like a thousand squads with Bill I felt like it was kind of productive because I was like how many already did my leg workout spending all day squatting, and I wanna be learning like psychology. Too much has been way back in the days. Just trying to crack people or you're gonna you know, the training camps back today where you know, here comes guy at annoy anything get in the business. So they just torch him, but these torturous rigorous, you know, sessions just as a weeding out process. Hey, but wasted time to define it. If he really wants it. Right. And I feel like that. I mean, obviously feel like that for myself personally, because I know that I really did want it. Right. And maybe it wasn't a waste of time though. Because maybe there was some people that did get weeded out. Exactly. But, but, but but at a certain point is time to drop out shit and learn about, you know, these are the best they can and can't accept it this room full of thirty people that are trying to get ready to show up on smackdown. Right. I mean, those people should be learning ABC's of the business now psychology holds so tell me about the mechanics of the business just as far as the work well with respect to work in ring chain wrestling, highspots the mechanics of. It because you know, you reached a very high level, and Debbie you're your whole different level working in Luke undergrad, Emma? And maybe it has to do with the fact that the guys you're working with from the Mexican side are really great technicians. And that's a rub off on you. And you've gotten that deadly picked up a few things from these guys. Absolutely. They. You know, what though I think the more that? I mean, it's also just that I've been wrestling for an extra four years now, and I've had a chance like a on the independent scene to wrestle like a lot of the guys I got to wrestle Kevin Steen to CW gnome. Dr we'll all spray like a lot of the top top like guys on the independent wrestling scene. And every time I wrestle one of those guys. Hopefully, they pick up something for me. Whereas I'm picking up something from them to learning the hold or a different way to do something or something about footwork, and it's definitely now being immersed with a whole new roster of people. There's a this Jellicoe who's like came up with a learning a bunch of stuff from the tournament like all the Japanese wrestling holds. And I personally think that they can definitely do too much of that. But being exposed to it and learning a few things from him some stuff from Jose, Fantasma and Phoenix and all the all the different stuff that I've been immersed in. Now is really rounded me out. I think. How long did it take for you to really have a really total command of psychology? I could I don't even have it. Now. One. Mccain says one thing, and it took me man, I was a decent mechanic at two years. But when I go back and watch bunched stuff now, I mean, I'll cringe nit pick. If I said, I watch a match out shit and all over some stuff. I did up five six seven eight years. Right. Why did I do that? Or that look like shit the psychology part of it. I finally started putting together about eight or nine year Mark and at the ten year, Mark, which I mentioned earlier with you. That's kind of when I really thought I started having a hand of it. But then you get a chance you start working with your bread. Archie. Shawn Michaels who kinda. I was a I was a pretty damn good worker at work at crowd for sure. But when you work guys, you're brushing, your Shawn's, you kind of have that next level of first of all athletic, melty, not not so much with Brad. Let Bill Sean was crazy. Let it but Brent with a storytelling store stone kind of scientific level from a psychology standpoint. I think right now in hindsight, I've got psychology one hundred percent. But in the moment, I'd still like a feel like I'm almost there. But or maybe always be almost there. Maybe you should never be all the way. They're right. Right. Right. Right. I learned this in in high school in college wrestling tournament was the league championships. There's like a thirty two school thing. I wrestled some guy that I should have pretty much destroyed. And like, I didn't I barely one on one by one point in my coach said like house that was like. Was like wasn't working. And he's like, yeah. It wasn't working because you don't do those moves we like lateral drop. Like I love takeover. Like, you don't I've never seen. You do that stuff before? Why are you trying it? And I was like just thought it was there and he's like don't shit cross cross wish single. That's you're doing do across we single. And then do a leg ride and dope. Power half. That's your. That's what you do. And it was and then for the rest of the minutes. What I did. And I won and apply that same type of stuff to Jerusalem. Like if you do certain things. Well, and you know, just do that stuff. Right. You don't mess up. But it's when you're trying stuff for the first time you start to get sloppy. Or stuff's a little bit off. And that part of the psychology. I feel like I get now. There's there's moves that. I know. And I know a lot more moves now that could say I can execute every time that I did five years ago. But I know what I know. And I know what I don't know. Like, I know what I shouldn't be doing. And that's as far as entering mechanics. Go like. When you get that part of it. That's when you've got a grasp of the mechanics in watching the show and Lucia underground there at the building bowl heights, call that place the temple temple. I love the temple is that a twenty two hundred ramyon work in. Yeah. It's nice. It's a twenty by twenty the ropes. Are it looks pretty buff friendly? It's great bumping ring. Yeah. The ropes are a little bit lower than the WWE ropes and say about three inches lower and their cable as opposed to rope. Which is there springboard friendly? Right. This is a good way to put it. So. Look a little stiffer. Yeah. One of these when ask about about the L patrol now real. Yeah. He's got off over there. He should make. He's got a new lease on life. I really like his character a whole lot better and Luke underground than I did with WWE not shitting on what he did over. I just like what he's doing. Now. I mentioned before that. I think some of the guys have a chip on their shoulder. Right. And I think it's a good way. Yeah. And I think he does for sure. And when he came over there, and he minutes if you and he cut that promo about how it feels feels good to be in a place where the word equal means something, right? And these are people, and when you look at his eyes and that promo he believes it. Yeah. And I think is the end of his running WWE like he wasn't. It wasn't fully there. You know what I mean? Yeah. And he is fully there. Now, maybe more than ever in his career. And you can when I'm in the ring across from him. I can I can feel it like if he's if he's going to he real to him in the moment like if. I don't get out of the way he's gonna kill me. And that's who I want to be in the ring was because that's how I try to be into the fans can detect that too. Yeah. I just felt that Washington Washington's character, I guess you'd just arrest. Whatever mccaren and guy, and he was always had a smile on his face. Right. And I thought me too. Just to identify what guys Smiler's facing? Now, he didn't know his smile on his face is downright dirty. He's got a mean streak and is able to express that. And to me just just a wide range of motion. It's a more focused effort, and he's laying shit in and to that point your shit into some of those club and blows. You're giving a printed principle. I mean, good shit. So Tim about how on that angle was to shoot when you do that summit through quite does window because was I mean who wouldn't want us somebody threw a glass window, especially if you're a wrestling fan, right? You'll barbershop now come about they had talking really about. How like you had like the only the one the gimmick pool cue. Hili had one moving ahead one given pool cue and hope who've I've seen for about holidays. We're the film, and I ended up beating the shit out all the stunt guy. Real pook. That's what we're we're talking about. Go ahead. So you've got one shot they have one sugar glass window. And this this this window they've had from episode three for the whole season. So they're waiting lasted while I mean, they've got in protective case in the back. They haven't put it up yet. They're waiting for the right time. We almost used it once before and this this is like the for the time when they like all right? This is how we're going to start. You thrown. We're going to do the glass thing. The best way to put it was. It was awesome. Like, we we walked through the deal. And when they put the glass up, I think everybody that was there like a seeing the glass in like, washing a standing there just had that feeling of like, this is going to be a moment of which underground that people talk about the people that means something to people, and it felt like that to me too and to patrol obviously to he's tall. He's told me about it. We talked about it several times. So I think I think starting that angle with him throwing them through the window and. I'm excited for you. See where we go with it. I think you should leave it at that. It's a really cool thing. And it it has a pay off. And I think that's one of the cool things about Lucia is there's less loose ends. Because it's a tighter show, everything is usually paid off and tied together. It's interesting. How you guys go out to commercial recogni you come back in and I was in Montana out there. And I would also whenever it came by explaining that. And it's just an interesting take. And it's an interesting by coming from the world, which you came from never w for a long time. What made you leave there did they did not want to renew? You was it for you to ride off into the sunset. What happened? So twenty twenty eleven I had like my first serious injury is an interesting really like I had a part of that. I had like a PL a partially torn MC element other in a couple of scopes, but twenty eleven April or something that was on a Europe tour, and I suddenly couldn't use my right arm, and I got an MRI. In Birmingham, England. And they said it's because you're see five snapped in half and floated down is impinging your spinal cord, so I finished out good news out there. There aren't doctors. Not good. So I finished the tour, and they said you're going to have to get that the surgery as a got it, and it's it's relatively minor in the world of neck injuries. It's it's not as bad as having a neck fusion. What bison kid is having as terrible magazines so talented, so I had that. And my contract was expiring. And when I came back to negotiate wanted a few specific things really what I wanted was more creative autonomy and just wanted some assurances of that. And we were talking about a deal and they wanted to sign the wannabe to sign a three year deals kind of the same deal. It had which was a pretty good deal at the time. And I think I just because I had that Nick injury. And I was still like having pain and hadn't had time to fully we have. And I jump back into the road fulltime. Like I wanted. I wanted more control of my time. And when I when I left like we left on really good terms. They just said I don't want to be signed right now. Maybe I need six months every year. And I'll come back. We just we just left it at that. And that that has become four years now almost okay show. Then all of a sudden, how did they how did L Ray Lucia or Eric getting contact with you to say, hey, man, we've got Lucia underground. And explain this concept to you. So I I got contacted by Krista Joseph, and I got I got a phone call from big dick Johnson. And he said he was a starting a wrestling promotion, and I was like, hey, Chris great great to hear from you. Call me when it's happening. I'd love to write my I always say that a lot of people because I've gotten several calls like that. And most of the time like you get a call like that. Yeah. It's bullshit. Like nothing ever happens. Yeah. Exactly. So a little bit jaded, and I don't hear from him for a couple of months, and then a couple of months go by calls me. And he says that the wrestling promotion, I was telling you about it's like, it's happening. Got a location picked out. And we we need you to sign for like a seven years. Yes. And I was like, okay. That's that's great. Let me just come. Check out. This this building this this promotion, should you want to go down to what you're getting your shelf onto? Yeah. Okay. And when I when I went down there, I went to the temple which is a warehouse in downtown LA, which actually I filmed the movie like two years prior to which underground with Dante trae ho in that exact location. And when I got there, the when I was filming the movie with with Danny the place was disgusting was covered in ratchet. There was there was like old smelly carpet all over the place, trash everywhere. And when I got there that Chris watts me in it was it was still a dumb, but they had built an awesome Lucia set in the middle of it. They had like bleachers had this nice ring they had a huge gym. And then I talked to him and I started talking to the production team. And they're like they're talking about how they're going to run an cameras set up. It's going to go live to tape and post is going to happen, then they started explaining. Vignettes and all of a sudden like, oh, wait a minute. So this is like this is really happening. There's this money's been spent. There's a set built there's a production behind it. And then I talked to Eric who I met on on tough enough to tough enough that you did that I came to that as a guest at one time, and Tony, and they explained to me what their vision was for this thing. And I was like, wow. I would. Yeah. Didn't never plan on really going anywhere aside for maybe going back to WWE. But there's a lot of things here that I'm really into their planning on combining action films with wrestling explained way, they're planning on shooting the vignettes they are shooting in Los Angeles. Like fifteen minutes from where I live, which is which doesn't hurt anything. And we also set it up. So that I mean, we're shooting on weekends, which means I can still do movies and projects as a matter of fact, I like I missed an episode because I was I was doing an action movie for percent atoll. And like there were nice enough to just say, okay. Yeah. Like, if you take this job at shoots three weeks, and we only overlapped one day, go ahead and all those things combined was kind of like exactly what I wanted. I wanted to have creative Tani I wanted to be free to pursue like movie projects. But I also house I have more fun wrestling than I do anything else. I mean, anything more fun than than wrestling. But WWE it's just like. That's all you have. So in five years. I know you're probably not a Gatling five years down the road at forty. What would be knowing? And do if say that that is still a very young, man. It's right around the corner. Well, the reason I left WWE was to get into this action film, making him producing those talking really about I used to live in Manhattan beach. And I sold my house in Manhattan beach to pay for a movie that I wrote the movie's called goo the bounty hunter, it's about a narcissistic bounty hunter who wound celebrities. It's got me chasing, Kevin sober around Burbank and hitting the sense on off a roof onto them. And then this guy his show gets canceled. And he goes after real criminals in Mexico. So it's an action comedy that I wrote, and I'm starring in and did a lot of the corio four, and it's going to be done. Maybe maybe a few months. That's specifically what I'd like to be doing five years from now writing producing and starring in action com. Movies. And in the meantime, wrestling, and if I can do both those things that I have everything I want. One more time. Let's give some props frigid guy code for being loyal sponsors of Steve often show. Go to Geico dot com. Fifteen minutes you could be saving fifteen percent of mold KARN. Shares as right? Save hundreds of dollars on car insurance. Geico dot com extra money in your pocket. They may just be the most warning thing you do today are out of give it to go home. Huge. Let's wrap it up this week. Make sure your check out podcast one dot com. 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