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The Mummies of Guanajuato

Ridiculous History

33:49 min | 2 years ago

The Mummies of Guanajuato

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Woke to the show ridiculous historians. We are men of our word earlier. We had floated the idea of finding more frightening, disturbing creepy tales as we get closer to Halloween Ben didn't. We do pope based kind of spooky creepy Taylor ready, but that was pre-october. No, you're right. That was pre-october and we, we talked about whether we should save that one, but that was just such a cool and strange story. We were compelled the power of Christ compelled us to put that podcast out in the world and the power of super producer. Casey peg REM. Health make that reality. We're looking at a story today that is equal parts ridiculous and I would say tragic. Yeah, I say mainly tragic and book. Yeah, and this is this is something that you had you had hip to me to know which is the story of mummies in Mexico? Yeah, specifically the Mexican town of Guanajuato which was established in the early sixteenth century and was something of a BoomTown for silver mining. It became that in the eighteenth century to the point where I believe it actually kind of messed with the economy of silver because there was just so much damn silver coming out of there that it like jacked with the price of silver and away that caused some real economic problems in the region. Absolutely. Yeah. For time it was the third largest silver mine on the planet in terms of production. They still have traces of this. Mine. Winning industry, right? Especially ways it Boca del Farrell, Boca del inferno. It's mine shaft that Boca meaning mouth. So the mouth of hell. And this is an attraction you can see there are also it's known for its beautiful architecture. These brightly colored baroque buildings, and they're these like narrow kind of alleys between the buildings, and it's a very walkable picturesque little city. But it also was an important stronghold during the Mexican revolution when Mexico was able to break free of Spanish control. And that is when father Miguel Hidalgo in eighteen ten who is the parish priest in Dolores put out his infamous grow Dila Dolores shout of Dolores and he assembled a a mob of peasants. Brandishing machetes and clubs, and they eventually made their way to Guanajuato because it was the most prominent largest city in. In the area, and that became their stronghold in the site of the beginning of the Mexican revolution. So a lot of history in this town, but today's episode is not about any of those things. Oh, yes, yes. Let me set this up. We should say that the name one watt though actually translates to mountainous place of frogs love that. And it's it's had several different names throughout its time because it's very old city. So maybe an Aztec era where the name was. Yeah, what was it? It was the land of straw, and the word is beautiful. When translated from and I, it was an Aztec word pox TIs LAN. That's that is a buf- word. I personally, I also like MO, the place of metals. Yeah, which is the older main learning. It makes perfect sense. It was also the place of weird, government-sanctioned grave, robbing. That's right today, story involves grave robbing and it involves. I'm just. Say it really terrible move on the part of local government. So there's a big city. A lot of people get buried, you know, life happens and bore new live, and you die. And there was a cholera outbreak around the area of guano to in the eighteen thirties run eighteen thirty three or so. And these people when they expired, they were interns. They were buried in some cases they were involved. But a few years later, the local government puts attacks on graves, yes. The thing is like you would rent this place like didn't own. Yeah. Yeah, you'd rent it. And I think the initial rental period was about five years. And then you had to rea- your rental, your family had to, you know, assuming you had any family to speak of and if you didn't pay this, this is something that was instituted between eighteen sixty five to nineteen fifty eight by the way, very recently done away with and if you did not. Pay for three years in a row. That's right. Then your peeps would be up rooted literally dug up dug up because they were in these airtight, MAs, Liam chambers, they would be removed and victim and they were either taken to a simple poppers grave outside of town. I and this is interesting about the story the this of this culture very much reveres death. You have the day, oh, still swear to us, and all of these kind of death related rituals and just deep veneration for one's ancestors and paying respects. And you know this very religious culture. The idea of digging up these loved ones and putting them in a a less desirable burial space had to have been very painful for some of these families. But that wasn't even the worst thing that could have happened was there's stranger things that happened because it would be put in a poppers graver. They might be placed in an also which was actually under the cemetery grounds itself. Waiting in case the relatives would come back cough up the money and have their loved ones reinterred reburied which did happen in a couple of cases. These people were taken out of the grave and then put back in. But when they were taken out of the grave, often they weren't decayed in the way that you would expect a dead body to rot over time. They were preserved, they were mummies. They were mummies. They have become mummies. Naturally. They were mummified by the environment in which they were interred believe. The first one that was found mummified was a man named Dr. Remigio LeRoy in eighteen sixty five Frenchmen right of the French doctor, I think is what he was doing. So we're sort of bearing the lead here. We were getting there, but yes, been this is very important. Fact that they were naturally mummified from lack of oxygen and just the very dry climate that that existed there as part of the world. And so they would literally just dry out and their clothes would rot quicker than their bodies would. And here's the thing these mummies. When they found this, this Frenchman the first guy they found had undergone this transformation. They were like, this is pretty cool and by, I guess the city people that ran the Muslim. What do you think like city officials? This was a state run facility, right, right. Yeah, they would like, okay, this is pretty cool. We should hold onto this guy and so they do that. And they continue doing that for several years before they realize, hey, we might have a little moneymaker on our hands. So what happens then is the ones that the curator's let's call them deem. I guess fascinating enough specimens right are kept and in the fifties, a museum is opened, yes is true. This hearkens back to our earlier episode which seems so so long ago now on corpses in dioramas you remember that very much do with the camel in the Arabic gentlemen with the the human skull I play right? And when yes, we say thought to be fascinating. What do we mean? This is pretty graphic stuff. He's being things like mummy that was pregnant or people who appear to have been buried alive such as natio- Aguilar. The people who were buried alive were almost certainly buried by accident due to the extreme nature of the cholera outbreak. And yeah, it's right. And a lot of these specimens were found to have cholera or have suffered from smoke inhalation. There's a really great. Really short podcasts from show called Mexico on unexplained. I think one, yeah, and it it. It goes into some of these details, but really interesting that they would have had smoke inhalation because it was either from smoking cigarettes or any kind of tobacco or possibly from working in those minds under less than ideal conditions. Oh, yes. End before we get to four way from a wanna clarify because I remember it. I did find the explanation of how this museum thing came about and it's it's kind of disappointing in what it says about the human condition because once word of the Guanajuato mummies started spreading around town, other people in town were apparently sneaking over and paying people who worked at the cemetery's just a couple of pesos to sneak in and take a quick peek. So it was a, the workers were motivated by profit, and then they were incentivized because this burial taxes still. Around the pool, more and more bodies out of the crypt, and then find more and more mummies and charge more and more people to see them. So what were they keeping them before the museum situation took off before the museum they would eventually it'd be kept in that also wary under the graveyard dislike for rainy day in Kate will the official reason the just in case the families come back and say, we do have the money to pay the burial tax, but why would they keep them versus bearing them outside of town? Like my understanding what they kept these because they were so crazy looking and they like, I think I think it's a situation again where there was an official reason and then there was a real reason guy. Hey, everyone. We're ridiculous history, and we want to tell you about a brand new apple discover an app just for investing. It's called Robin Hood. Answer. I Robin Hood and investing lets you buy and sell stocks ETF s.'s options and cryptocurrencies all commission free. 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You can discover new stocks and track favorite companies with your own personalized news feed, and you get custom notifications for price movements. So you never miss the right moment to invest. And today just for hanging out with ridiculous history. Robinhood wants to give you a free stock like apple Ford, or sprint to help build your portfolio. Sign up at history dot robinhood dot com. That's just go to history dot, Robin Hood dot com and sign up now. So let's talk about this museum when that started happening. El museo Ledesma MIA'S which the museum of the mummies. It was the same place where the cemetery workers were just charging people several pesos to enter into the buildings. The bones in the mummy's with with again, doctor LeRoy being the first one on display, but winded, it officially become a museum instead of this underground display of death. Yeah, that's right. But like I said before, you know, there was money to be made here and the government wasn't getting those MAs. Liam lease rental fees. They figure they would capitalize in another way and they open this to the public in the nineteen fifties. And it was actually voted Guanajuato 's believe, number one tourist attraction. And so for a nominal fee of two pesos, you can take a look at the mall. Than one hundred hundred eight hundred eight dried out, human mummies, natural mummies. And that this includes all different types of situations in varying stages of decay, kind of. Yeah, and you can still see their facial expressions and a lot of cases which you mentioned the somewhat gruesome details that have allowed investigators to determine who was buried alive and who is buried when they were actually dead. When you mentioned that was buried alive actually still has her hands like transfer, like, you know, in covering her eyes, died biting her arm. Yeah. And the thing too is most of these cadavers have these just pained expressions as though they're like shrieking in agony and it's because of what happens when the tongue dries out during this process and the jaws starts to slacken, you start kind of looks like the scream. I know that that painting and this is pretty crazy. Ray Bradbury actually wrote a short story about based on his visit to this this museum when he was Bakke shinning with his wife in Guanajuato, and he wrote a story called the next in line where he very vividly describes this. So I'm going to read a little bit of that way. Yeah, case it can get that spooky music back for this. I think I think deserves it. They were screaming. They looked as if they had leapt snapped up right in their graves clutched, hands over their tripled bosoms and screamed jaws wide tongues out nostrils flared and been frozen that way. All of them had open mouths. There was a perpetual screaming. They were dead and they knew it in every raw fibre evaporated Oregon. They knew it. She stood listening to them, scream. They say, dogs here sounds humans never hear sounds so many decibels higher than normal hearing that they seem non existent. The corridor swarmed with screams screams poured from terror. Yawn lips and dry tongues screams. You couldn't hear because they were so high. Not cool Ray Bradbury not cool. What do you think about that? Yeah, I've actually read the story. It's right Ray Bradbury's a fantastic writer in very appropriate for Halloween. The mummy museum also inspired other works of fiction in the late nineteen seventies hers. All took a number of shots of these various mummies for the title sequence of his film, NAS Virata the vampire because he just wanted a morbid eerie atmospheric opening sequence. I remember that sequence and I did not know that Ben and one of the museums other notable points of interest is that it has the smallest mummy in the world. It is a fetus from the pregnant woman that we've mentioned earlier. It's a heartbreaking thing in it's strange to feel the turns of history. So immediate and tactile, you know, because so often we think of these. These horrific tragic events as an abstract thing from a history book, but going and seeing these real people is tremendously profound and moving experience. One other work of fiction that we absolutely have to mention is the film that incorporates the mummies of Guanajuato in a not accurate way is called santio versus the mummies of Guanajuato. Santo being a very popular Lucia door wrestler. These these wrestlers wear this cool masks and this guy was like a real celebrity, and it was almost sort of like Abbott and Costello, you know, meets Frankenstein or whatever. It was like a very well known national figure fighting very well known, national monster. Yeah, Ridolfi Gutman helped a famous wrestler at the time, and we found we found some various clips of this film, you know, get made in nineteen seventy two and unwell in. I want to check it out. I want to watch the whole thing. I'll come back with a review, if oh, come back with a review. If there's interest, what makes it relevant for interest today's that this film spread word of the mummies outside of Mexico, and people began to learn about this on an international level yet. I mean, it started kind of became much more of a fixture of popular culture at the time, and it wasn't really replicated for many years, but it certain. Spread awareness and likely up the value to the government of this place. Right, right. And this leads us to the ethical question that we've run into before, you know, and the question is, is it right to display the bodies of these people? Certainly certainly not with their consent, and we don't know if their family members were asked if their family members consented. Yeah, there's actually a quote in this piece from the guardian that just talks about how there were no laws broken in doing this that the the Mexican people have a different attitude towards death. They don't, and it's kinda countered it when I said the beginning of the show, I would assume that it would be this would be very disrespectful. This would be considered like Harris. He kind of, you know, to disinter people's loved ones, but you know, the guy that's in charge of this place seems to think differently. Yeah, this guy Arturo to bear. Who is the head spokesman for the Guanajuato government set in the Daily Mail piece. I Mr. tribute to the guardian. Earlier that quote, the museum is an important part of Ghana. Does tourist appeal cast your first point. The museum breaks no laws and displaying its exhibit to visitors who are given fair warning graphic content. Here's the important part. We have a different cultural approach to death in Mexico. Here we celebrate the cycle of life and accept death as inevitable ninety nine percent of the visitors leave the experience pleased with what they saw. But here's the thing. So many of these infants in in the museum of which there are several are often dressed as saints. So there's one that goes by they call colloquially little Saint Martin who is basically the skeleton of tiny baby wearing the traditional garb of Saint Martin something called a cassock and holding a broom and holding rosary beads. And it is. Macab my friend. So include the mentioned the guardian because there's a guardian piece I remembered I wanted to bring up. It's called why Mexican celebrate the day of the dead by Tonio wife's and in their has this just stunning Octavio Paz quote about what he sees as the Mexican attitude with death. He says the Mexican is familiar with death jokes about it, caresses it sleeps with its, celebrates it true. There is much fear in his attitude as in that of others, but at least death is not hidden away. He looks at it face to face with impatience disdain or irony. And I think that's, you know, maybe that's maybe that's what makes it. Okay. Maybe this is an important thing rather than an expletive thing. You know what I mean? Because they can't be making that much money, right profit can't be the sole motivation, businesses, four thousand visitors a week. I mean, that's. A decent amount of cash. Yeah, guess it does add up? Yeah, sure. It's it's been open since the fifties. I mean, you know, yeah, you're right. I have a bit of a cash cow I knew say so myself. But I guess what I'm getting out of struggling with is there was even so this this tax was relinquished right? And at the end of the fifties eighteen fifty and nineteen fifty eight. But there actually was a recent addition to this collection was a baby that died in nineteen ninety nine at six months. So I want to clear something of real question. We actually had a little discussion off my the law that required the tax. There was a grave tax. Yeah, when away nine hundred fifty eight. But there was also like you still had to rent these spaces. You still have the least the lace, the land and like you would up reopen for like twenty years. Something like it started at like a five year. And then if you didn't come back, then they could still remove your loved ones corpse. And that happened with this baby in the really heartbreaking thing as apparently the baby is in the collection museum. Mm-hmm. And the mother who still living pretty regularly comes and visits her child. Yeah. And there's something description how this happened sounds remarkably cold. So if the if the family, this reviving relatives choose not to pay or re-sign on that lease, then the body is removed and it goes to the museum's curator and curator inspects the corpse to see whether it's good enough to be added to the collection. And I had earlier said the number was a hundred and eight corpses in the display, but I believe it's one hundred and eleven now because they have added some. Hey, everyone. We're ridiculous history, and we want to tell you about a brand new apple, discover an app just for investing. It's cold, Robin Hood. Answer I Robin Hood and investing in that lets you buy and sell stocks e f, s.'s options and cryptocurrencies all commission free. 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You can discover new stocks and track favorite companies with your own personalized news feed, and you get custom notifications for price movements. So you never miss the right moment to invest. And today just for hanging out with ridiculous history. Robinhood wants to give you a free stock like apple Ford or sprint to help build your portfolio. Sign up at history, robinhood dot com. That's right. Go a history dot, Robin Hood dot com and sign up now. There wasn't too confusing with the difference between the grave tax and the the lease. 'cause they were two different things in threw me for a little bit, but. We, we, we got there. We didn't think so. What's what's next. This sounds like a place that I would be intrigued. I mean, I'm I'm into kind of like this sort of dark type stuff. I went to the museum of death in LA and quite enjoyed that. Even the some of it was even a little little much for me a lot of like embalming videos and you know, murder, crime, scene, photographs, and things like that. But do you think this is right then? Do you think this is of value to society to be able to experienced death in such a raw kind of detached way? It's interesting to. That's the question I asked earlier in the show, you know, ethically, is this more useful to humanity as as a memorial as a way of educating people or is exploited hate of it seems like the museum itself has a lot of support from the local community and it is of benefit to science because we're able to. Search the process of natural MoMA fixation, Texas State university had some great research on how this stuff occurs in how the environment interacts with the corpse. But I would say it's similar to did you ever see bodies exhibit? I never did, but I've seen photographs of the perfectly preserved cadavers where you see the muscles and all that fascinating. Yeah, where you see organs or the circulatory system or nervous system taken out and kind of plasticize to give you a better Lookie human anatomy. But those people when they were alive, didn't consent to that, right. Surely not in every case, and we have to ask ourselves, at what point does the benefit to science or the benefit to history outweigh the the ethical pitfalls of displaying someone's corpse after they die. I will say that I, if. I'm in that town. I will go visit just because I think it's in a way it with a war, like a memorial commemorating, the deaths of those people and these were not. These were not for the most part. These were not well off folks. These were sort of the point, right? These were common peop-. Yeah. I mean the idea they had to, you know, because I mean, rich people would have been able to buy a plot, right? And you certainly didn't have to lease. That's not the law says they couldn't afford to buy a grave plot. So they were able to Lisa one of these municipal cemeteries, Muslims or whatever, right. Absolutely. I would air on the side of scientific benefit and historical commemoration. Guanajuato mayor Dr Duardo Hicks at back in two thousand seven initiated the Guanajuato mummy research project and invited several scientists to go down and spend more than a year, exploring the origin and the development of the mummies. And it's also been a subject of National Geographic. Documentary series, which I'm gonna tell you the name of it. I haven't seen the series, but the name throws me off your ready. I am the mummy roadshow. Nice. So it's sort of like the antiques roadshow with mummies? Yeah, I feel yeah, that's a little glib. But in these recent years, they've learned a lot about the people, the individuals who were interred here in the later displayed in this museum, it's it's an incredibly interesting article. And if you would like to read it, let me know ridiculous historians and we just posted up there. And if you are person who does not wanna see the visuals of this stuff, we completely understand. This particular article has a no photographs. Oh, I think that's a pretty good place to leave. There's certainly if you're into photographs, there's plenty of them out there and these are really pretty upsetting images to be honest, but it's also their strangely beautiful. I want to say very haunting. As you may have gotten from that Ray Bradbury pass. And it really apparently severely affected him and that he felt the need to write this piece to kind of exercise of the demons from himself. And I could see that when it smells like in their been probably kind of musty like an old library or something because these these corpses would not have had a a smell of purification because everything was just dried up, right? The moment -cation happened. So rapidly a, like a lot of museums have probably just smells old and some inexplicable way, but our senses are so vulnerable to our pre existing mental states. Right? So maybe we are mentally capturing the smell. It probably probably smells like cleaning cleaning supplies because there's a lot of glass, so I'm sure they have to use the tunnel windex probably smells faintly clean. Yeah, we a little bit of chemical smell and I have a question too. So so far we have. We've covered a very interesting specific type of vampire native to the Phillips. Beans. We've looked at mummies, although they were not monster mummies from an old universal horror film or something. What particular monsters are historical cases of monstrosity should we should we look at next, we look at the trials of where wolves. That's always an interesting strange path to go on. One of the things we did the other night, and we had a game night at the game called wear wolf, where I ended up falsely accusing several of my closest friends and co workers of being where wolves and had them lynched, and they made them they were. They were village. They were townspeople the whole time and they'll be able to get myself for that. They probably won't be able to forgive you either. That's okay. I deserve it deserve, but in their memory, we should in fact research something about where wolves, I think that's smart. Yeah, let us know if there's a where we'll story. The particularly stands out to you. I'd love to Ben. You might be saying, but how on earth do I contact you guys? Well, it's. Simple. We've got good news. If you're on the internet, you can find us on Instagram. You can find us on Twitter. You can find us on Facebook imperturbable. Check us out on ridiculous historians, our Facebook community page, where you can talk with your fellow listeners, all of whom I assure you are brilliant, wonderful people with great taste and podcast, right? That's pretty good. Yeah, I support that. I'm let's thank our super producer. Casey Pegam for being super as always thanks to our friend and colleague, Alex Williams composed our theme. Thanks to Christopher hus- yoda's and Eve's Jeffcoat our research associates of thank you to Jonathan Strickland. Aka the quiz, daughter who's been quietly. I think. Folks, I suspect. No, really know you like him inference. Sure, whatever you say, but man, I will. I will try to keep the quiz do heat off of you may. I kidding? I welcome it. I need a little little kick in the pants every now and then who better to do it in that and before before. Thank you for bringing this story to the show. Oh, man, no problem. It was a lot of fun. That's not the right thing at all. 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Celebrating Ray Bradburys 100th Birthday, And The New Book Dark Black

Reset with Jenn White

10:57 min | 8 months ago

Celebrating Ray Bradburys 100th Birthday, And The New Book Dark Black

"I'm Justin Kauffman in this is reset. The world is celebrating the Centennial of author, Ray Bradbury's birth. The Joaquin born bradberry is acknowledged as one of the world's all time. Great Scifi writers the seminal works include Fahrenheit four, fifty, one illustrated man Bradberry died and twenty twelve but the literary communities enjoying numerous celebrations for his one hundredth on briberies actual birthday on August twenty second. The Library of Congress will feature read alongs by actors and authors like William. Shatner Rachel. Bloom and Neil gaiman and Bradbury's official biographer Sam. Weller is doing his part to celebrate the life of a man who's still looms larger than life. You know I think with each passing year that this man has left our planet and gone out wherever we go when we depart he becomes more important to the Pantheon not just literature but to creativity and imagination this was in my estimation I think in a biased. As he said his authorized biographer I. Think he is one of the most important creators of the twentieth century. I mean not only did he do books like parenthood 451, which is a mainstay in in school curricula around the world. Published in nearly forty languages around the world but he worked in television. You know he wrote episodes of the twilight zone. He designed attractions at Epcot. Center. He designed shopping malls. He was nominated for an academy award. There's a crater on the moon named for the man and I just think his footprint on imaginative storytelling is just massive and I think that's why people are coming together in recognizing this centennial is really important. It makes me sad because I work really closely with him for so long and he always maintained I wanna live to a hundred I want to live to one hundred zero didn't quite get there. Ninety, one, ninety, two years old I think is when he died but when you've worked so close with someone like Ray Bradbury and you spent time with him, what do you think people don't know about bradberry but should know about. You. Know I think there was a wad vive about the man there was an effervescence. If you will his life, I mean, he celebrated every single day when I was with, him couldn't help but feel gratitude for just being alive and I think that that crackles through in many of his books. But I think people who read a work like the Martian chronicles or a dystopia and work like Fahrenheit four, fifty, one or frightening book like the illustrated man people think that he must have been a dark and brooding visionary and there was that aspect to him. But that really was not his personality he was hilarious he was gregarious are. Back to when I was twenty one. The reason I'm here tonight is because I quit acting. Because I couldn't remember the God line. Kit, a tremendous zest for life and that's you know I think why he continues to live on. I want to get into the stories. But when you talk about Ray Bradbury and his creativity and his imaginative storytelling and his ability to cross genres, how has that been an inspiration to the work that you do the writings that you do? Wow. That's a great question. You know I think bradberry did not like to be confined by boundaries and labels as either a science fiction writer. He really rebelled against that. He said he was a teller of tales. So he wrote mystery stories he wrote horror stories he wrote fantasy fiction he wrote science fiction and he wrote straight up New Yorker contemporary mainstream kind of literary prose, and so he defy genre labels and I think the more we really look at contemporary artists I think more and more creatives don't want to be confined by a label that put seven in each shelf. And Bradbury was doing that seventy years ago and so that's something that's really been important to my own ethos. So I've written a biography of done up an oral history of conversations with Ray Bradbury. I've done a travel book I've done a graphic novel have to Ram Stoker Awards. I. Really Feel continue to feel that bradberry trained me to. Defy labels and do whatever the hell you want. You know why? Why do we need to be confined and he was an early pioneer in that and I had a fight with the editors all the time they said, well, we want traditional ghost stories. I said, I know A. Traditional go stories I look in the mirror and scarred the hell out of myself. Your collection of short stories and we're talking with SAM, Weller about his new collection, which is out now dark black. It's great because it dances around the horror genre and what I mean by that is that it can be haunting and one point two Irian another but it also can be poetic or just reflective of the space that the character is in whether that's Punk rock ghosts are we g boards or giant squids whatever it might be there there's a there's a way that you are using what is called the horror genre but you're finding away as you just mentioned to us a lot of different disciplines to inform that if that makes sense. You know I really appreciate you saying that you obviously understood what I was trying to do with my new book. You really the springboard for this was ray Bradbury's nineteen, fifty, five collection. The October country really in many ways, it was his first book first came out in one, thousand, nine, hundred, eighty, seven, it was called Dark Carnival was published out of Sauk. City Wisconsin and he repackaged it in one, thousand, nine, fifty, five as the October country and it's really become this mainstay of Gothic literature and the thing that I realize in studying that book closely is that Gothic Literature and horror literature can be connected at the hip, but they're not the same thing. You don't need a ghost in a story to be haunted when you're tonight, make a list. Of Ten things you love madly. And write about them. Make a list of ten things you hate and kill. Them. We're all haunted by something. We're all haunted by relationships and nineteen and the fear of the coming election and just all the skeletons in our closets and. Really looked at Bradbury's book and said, I want to write a book similar to that because he only did one book that came from that very dark and fertile landscape that he called the October country. And I wanted to do something like that but do it in my own voice do it. As you said, there's Punk rock stories. There's you know a mile element of some political statements but I wanted it to reflect me and this is not a rape bradberry book it's my book but at the same time. His ghost. If you will was absolutely looking over my shoulders I wrote it, you wouldn't even think about the horror genre to because it's changed a lot especially in pop culture. Thanks to shows like Black Mirror or American horror story that what you thought was a horror film past that kind of sneak up and scare you kinda. Gory experience has changed into a much more literal, much more narrative, a much more poetic style. It's not just about the scare or the jump or the mystery of it. It's really about the description, the words or or in the case of the television shows the story lines that seems to be what grabbing people to what is I guess a new horror genre. Totally and I think that you know largely bradberry played a big role in that. Rod Sterling of course, was the host of the twilight zone but also was the producer and and wrote many of the episodes and he said that it's impossible to create in this field without stepping in the footprints of Ray Bradbury and I can't overestimate his contributions to horror and. As you just said the basis of his contributions. He was a poetic writer. He was a melancholy writer. He was a humanist and I think these weren't just stories that caused you to freak out and be afraid but they caused you to think and reflect upon your own humanity and he did it with this Elegant Beautiful Crows that really is so unequaled in the field of horror and that set connecting to what you also commented on he was. A plot writer to he had great ideas. His stories were fund deeply memorable, and there was always a central central metaphor about them that stood as a larger truth for our own existence Cam. As we wrap up just creativity in the time of the pandemic I mean you you are somebody who has been always at the forefront of of the literary community here you're also professor down at Columbia College what do you tell people about creativity in this moment? You know I tell my wife and kids all the time that. I've always been incredibly prolific in even in the era of covert I've felt a struggle you know almost like there's a tremendous headwind facing me and my my ability and desire to create and I. Think it's important to remember that art is one of the things that's helping all of us get through this and that's why I really appreciate even taking the time to have me on, I? mean. We're all pinch watching shows on net flicks listening to great music and watching movies and art is sustaining us through this in ways that many other things are not and Marcel. Proust's the great writer wants it only through art? Can we emerge from ourselves and know what another person feel? And I feel that Michelle Obama. Last night in the DNC talked about empathy and art creates empathy. It helps us understand each other. It helps us relate and so this need to be creative right now even though we may not have the motivation right now, a lot of my students are not very motivated. They feel a tough time obviously, but it's so important in Ray Bradbury taught me. Even if you create something a little bit every day, you will feel better about yourself and you will feel better about your life. Sam Weller Chicago author new a collection of short stories called Dark Black Sam always a pleasure to have you on. Thanks so much for joining us you too. Thanks so much what you're all looking for, but maybe you don't know. What you're looking for in your writing and your life is for one person to come up to you. And Say I. Love You. Because what you do I love you for what you do. Not The money not the money. But someone paying attention and say, Hey, you're okay. You're you're not nuts. The way people said. We love you. We love you. Well, that's it for reset today. Make sure to come back here tomorrow.

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Serling, Bradbury and The Body Electric

The Twilight Zone Podcast

1:32:03 hr | 1 year ago

Serling, Bradbury and The Body Electric

"You're traveling to another dimension. A dimension not only of sight and sound but of mine a journey to a wondrous land whose boundaries or that of imagination in your next. Stop Tonight's twilight twilight zone distinguishes itself as a landmark episode. For a couple of reasons it is the point at which the show uh-huh comes into triple figures with episode one hundred but it's also the point where a name has been conspicuously. Absent isn't finally comes into the fold. It is one of those moments that should be monumental like two great eight actors finally sharing the screen together or the reformation of a loved but long disbanded rock band. Who finally we get together again on? Stage by nine hundred and sixty three ray. Bradbury was a science fiction powerhouse. He had Over fifty short stories published which leads to over ten published collections of his work and novels the head been numerous television and radio adaptations including five episodes of Alfred Hitchcock presents. His story the fog horn had been adapted into the film. The beast from twenty thousand fathoms. which wasn't the fairest giant monster movie but it is interesting in its timing when we frame it against the first cod zillow fell? That would come out of Japan the year later. So Ray Bradbury and rod sailing together last seems to be one of those moments that should have been written in the stars the literary Leviathan. Ray Bradbury on the television Titan road sailing surely now robbery would join the likes of Richard Matheson and Charles Beaumont in the twilight zone stable well. Tonight's it's episode starts out well enough a beautiful American neighborhoods and an emotionally charged conversation between a widower George Rogers Rogers and his children's and about how his three children Tom and Karen or coping with the death of their mother certainly a situation that is ripe for examination by the twilight zone and just waiting for that element of the unusual to be dropped into this very relatable everyday occurrence so we can sit back and see what happens This is our sing the body electric. What does that mean sing? The body electric is the model. Donald Facsimile Limited. I sing the body electric. Let me see that inventors. And makers of electrical shadows news effigies mimics mannequins and a chain to parents who worry about inadequate nurses in schools. Who are concerned with the moral and social the development of their children we have perfected an electronic data processing system? Well what does that mean. Daddy addle electric data processing system in the shape of an elderly woman built sort of robot. A woman built with precision with the incredible ability of giving loving supervision to your family tonight. We're going to walk through a doorway to examine the story where those stars did align with. The two giants ends of their mediums. Did come together. But we'll also examine the story behind the story and try to understand that why when when we walked through that doorway. It slammed short behind those never to be opened again tonight on the the twilight zone podcast sailing bradberry and the body electric. They make fairly convincing pitcher. It doesn't seem possible loaded and find a woman who must be ten times better than mother in order to seem half as good except of course in satellite face broadcast on the eighteenth of May nineteen sixty two written by Ray Bradbury and directed by William Claxton and James Sheldon so rudd sailings opening. Narration is very short and to the point this time round. I need delivers it. With a certain amount of good humor. The twinkle in the eye is very evident. And there's been so for me to make appear like he's here in the scene it's clearly a whip pan and put together a set but what I do love is that there is a certain level of of interactivity. Sailing is sitting back at the desk. Smoking a cigarette and reading the magazine that the family have just been reading in the scene. So not quite full marks on this one but certainly some things to like in. Now you will notice that said the names of two directors William Claxton and James Sheldon and the twilight zone was generally a show directed by one person. But if we look back at the history of the times when there have been two directors it's usually because the episodes road to the screen has been a rocky one one thing the mighty Casey where the death of an actor meant that the majority of it needed to be re short or buster Keaton's episode once upon upon a time when they were re shooting scenes just to try and make it work and this episode continues that trend because it does have some mm troubles of its own so the face directed to work on it was James Sheldon and he was an experienced twilight zone director with the whole whole truth. Penny for your thoughts long distance call. It's a good life still valley and now this. I sing the body electric so this this is his sixth and final twilight zone and the second director was William Claxton and he too is an experienced twilight. Its own director. And this is the last of four twilight zones that he helmed the phase three being the last flight the jungle and the little people so to twilight zone directors bowing out on this one quite why that to twilight zone directors. We'll come back the later on so before we get to our episode proper let starts to build a picture of the relationship between Rudd sailing ailing and Ray Bradbury and to help do this. I called upon an old friend of the show whose research into this very subject forms. A chapter in her book when known sailing an episode the history. So welcome back to the show. Amy Boil Johnston Amy. Thank you so much for joining me today. Of course it's my pleasure. We're here to talk about the relationship between Rod sailing and Ray Bradbury and and from your book on known sailing. I know it's something that you have some experience with you. You Research Aloft for the book now. They wear friends at one point. So could you just briefly. Tell us how they came to know each other and what that early relationship was like is only known from Bryant or his his point of view certainly not leave any documents about that According to Bredbury sewing head this idea idea for a series in so he approached Ray Bradbury in supposedly said. I don't know what I'm doing and Bradbury said coming over to my house introduce you know. Bunch of writers seems not so true serving. Well aware these writers ahead of Time I. I was trying to develop a series as back. Nineteen fifty seven. Okay so you think maybe raise 'em exaggerating in things to a degree. I think bradberry is making it. Look as if he had morbid influenced any debt. I see surly these writers. Here's in sterling at the idea for this show long before it ever met Ray Bradbury so at this time when road. Sailing is developing the twilight zone. What was ray bradbury up to Bradbury was creating his own? TV production with Kirk. Douglas Burgum productions and it was going to be called report from space. In fact the deck name was Bernard Production Presents Ray. Bradbury's work from space. bradberry was going. It is science fiction program for network. TV in so that fell through it to fifty nine. The the rights returned in bribery. Had been trying to sell program for two years so when red berries urban can stale surly. twits it's now going to go on the air in the documentary Charles Beaumont short life twilight zones magic mind by Jason and and Sonny Bloch bradberry gives an account of Rod. serling coming to him saying I wanNA make his science fiction television show. But I don't know what I'm I'm doing. I'm bradberry says to get in contact with Charles Beaumont and Richard Matheson and get them to write for him and then he goes on to say that He will maybe throw in some episodes for him to an INN. MARQUESA crease updated. Twilight zone companion. He recounts this story to so now. It's hard to say for definite whether this conversation actually happened. Like that. As Amy says we only have ray Bradbury's WED foray and if it did actually happen I suppose in my head sailing saying I want to make this show and I don't know what I'm doing. Would more likely be his trademark humility rather than him having really no idea what he's doing. Hey often had this very self depreciating sense of humor. So it is possible that Bradbury may be gave him some pointers here and there or they at least had a conversation about boutet because Ray Bradbury was a mentor to several writers of that day. Richard Mattison once wrote of them in a Charles Beaumont among collection the magic man. It was ray who helped both choke myself in the initial steps of our writing careers as he had helped others. I I was living in Brooklyn at the time just graduated from college and Ray was highly generous in his correspondence and encouragement. Meant a good deal to me. Choke fortunate enough to be living in Los Angeles had more personal contact with ray and accordingly enjoyed an even closer communication shen and a greater proportion of encouragement and inspiration. I know that it meant a good deal to him as well now clearly in in the Charles Beaumont documentary that I just mentioned Brad Breeze tone in the interview is one of animosity towards rod sailing and he then goes on to say in not so many words that sailing went Hollywood. His success changed him and went to his his head. Now it's tough to sit and listen to that as a road sailing fan because we're only really getting one side of the story and read sailing. Isn't there to defend himself. Although we will hear the occasional comment from serling about the situation that he made made when he was alive. Let's now focus on when they wear friends and Ray Bradbury was potentially submitting stories stories to the twilight zone. Now I know the bribery submitted. Three story so the twilight zone. I sing the body. Electric is one of them. Have have you seen any documentation To do with the other two or have you actually seen those missions. They see a rough treatment treatment of the Tigers in the problem with ride berry which is also bribery. Strength Bradberry has a hard time interpreting Tori and surly accepted that. That doesn't make it easy for TV but here tigers was or other. It's actual emotional scrape than it was early in the twilight zone companion. Mark Zicree writes writes this about one of those never produced Ray Bradbury script and he says here. There be tigers concerns an expedition of space explorers floors that lands on the planet. So idyllic that it seems impossible. Digress is short and smells newly mown. Streams are filled with wine wine. Fish jump out of cold springs into hot springs and Cook Right there before your eyes wins gently lift you so that you can fly like a bed. The men quickly realized that the entire planet is a single conscious entity one willing to supply the slightest whim simply in return for kind treatment. The men take this in stride enjoying the first class treatment. All except Chatterton Dominiol Arolla Gist. WHO men call chat? He's wary of the planet and doesn't trust. He warns the other saying to quote my pace or once in medieval evil history. Here there tigers when you're all asleep the Tigers and cannibals will show up finally Chatterton attacks the planet planet with a huge drill mounted on a tractor the planet swallows detract in a carpet. Then Summons Tiger the kills Chatterton. The rest of the men hurriedly board their ship all but one who elects to remain behind from space explorer. See the planet erupting and volcanoes avalanches and lightning storms but this is only an illusion for their benefit on the surface. The planet is Serene Serene with a running start the lone crewman leaps into the air and flies away from the camera over the horizon to where the distant voices of laughing being women can be heard and apparently the other story that was pitches to potentially be produced was called a miracle of red device. Vice and Zicree says it consents to likable trump's who attempt to homestead a mirage that assumes the appearance of any city the Patterson looking at it was most wanted to visit so although the twilight zone would often visit alien planets. I think from the sounds of Eh here. They'd be tigers especially does sound very ambitious for a twenty three minute twilight zone but at this point we are about six six minutes into tonight's episode. I sing the body electric and I will keep mentioning the time explain. Why later on so the a family get to facsimile limited with a meat a salesman played by volunteers? You come in please. We've I've been expecting you. Now Vaughn Taylor is a fire time twilight zone player and we've seen them already in time enough at last and still valley and and we'll see him again in the incredible world of Horace Ford and the Self Improvement of Salvador. Ross if I choose a favorite scene scene from this episode. I think it's this one. I love the way that George and the children step into the building and it is just complete blackness with the silhouette of the doorway behind them I went not disappears. We all left with the character of the salesman played by volunteer. And he has this wonderful quality to them. That's reminiscent of a Walt Disney order. Willy Wonka from Charlie and the chocolate factory the the inventor who just loves his own inventions and loves to see or the P. Bolt enjoying his inventions so he fills everything with a real sense and so one day an shows them around reveling in their one and disbelief at what they're seeing so we get shown around this completely -pletely pitch black room and the blackness of it really does look good on. Today's high definition versions of the twilight zone is suggest the bits and pieces is the is the lips limbs from which you choose the elements which will become your grandmother. You mean we get to pick out the color of show have and how tall exactly you will pick it up and put them down this shoot where they will be conveyed to our back. I think she should have blue eyes. These is here. No Brown bags play marbles with so while the children choose the parts of their electric grandmother. Let's quickly meet the Rogers family. George Rogers is played by David White and he's joining us for his second and last twilight zone role and we've previously seen in a world of difference now I won't go into his bio too much but he's one of those faces that we all know from something and he certainly was one of our very very hard working actors of the day and while he has a hundred and twenty nine listed credits on IMDB which is a respectable number when you factor into that things like his role of Larry Tate in bewitched which went on one hundred ninety one episodes then he really to start an his hard working actor badge but for this comic book. Fan The thing that I'll always remember him for is his role as this j Jonah Jameson in the one thousand nine hundred seventy S. Nicholas Hammond Spider Man television series now the three Rogers Children I. We'll just summarize their BIOS briefly but there are certainly some interesting details here so Tom Rogers was played by Charles Habits and he was a pretty pretty successful child actor of that time he was about fourteen years old here and he had a number of credits to his name. That would put so so adults to shame by this point but he would only go onto wake for another six years as a screen actor the transition from adorable audible muppet to awkward teen can be a difficult one for some actors and apparently this was the case for Charles Habit and when the roles dried up in the late fifties he had little to show financially for his numerous television and movie roles with most of his money having gone to his parents so Charles unfortunately had problems with substance abuse later in life which took several years ears to get on top of an apparently he did become clean in two thousand and five and would occasionally hit the Science Fiction Convention Circuit Jacket or he died too young of a heart attack at the age of sixty seven in twenty fifteen now Karen Rogers was played by Hi Dana dill away and she would have been about twelve at this point. I'm while acting. Career did spun twenty two years between one thousand nine hundred fifty six and nineteen nineteen seventy eight. She only has a modest sixteen credits. Although one of them is very significant was twilight zone funds this because she played Maggie Polanski in the second twilight zone episode one for the angels and finally an Rogers was played. Played by Veronica Cartwright who certainly gone on to be a successful actor from here on in. She's English actor and would have been about thirteen at this. This point and she was in several shows after time. Leave it to be Alfred Hitchcock presents and so on but also see that inter her television credits were roles in films. Like Alfred. Hitchcock's the beds and since then she has truly become a hard working actor of several generations with a hundred and fifty credits to a name and counting. And she's still waking to this day and possibly one of the most. Most famous roles was Lambert. In Ridley Scott's alien where she famously got splattered with John Heads Blood when the creature best out of his chest I wanNA give my marbles with bows in the she and is like fees. Gosh oh she only had long hair so with the component and parts chosen. Why don't we wait for the factory to do their work and get back to the story? Behind the story we've had array bradberry submitted three stories to the twilight zone but only one was made. So was this the reason that the relationship ship between him and Rod sailing soured will according to Ray Bradbury. There was more than in your book. You examine the accusations of plagiarism. The bradberry makes against Rudd sailing. So what was he. Basing these accusations on was a particular stories was in Bredbury story of Peter's changed well it changes favorites plus when he accused him of players in the sixties in it again later in its life when his authorized biography came out he changed the accusations. Different story so bradberry story players hit more so it's important to recognize that just in later life he had taken early in life he'd taken walking stents which is a very personal personal and almost autobiographical story. That certainly had come up when he was back on. A family vacation. Also made some accusations about where it is every body didn't he yes. That was the one where he was compared to the guy on Mars who gets who hooks up with a woman by phone so you know you. You examined examined these accusations. What what did you find? Surly wrote two letters of his time in finding exact date in December nineteen sixty sterling two letters one. It's to Beaumont journal December fifth in one. Is Ray Bradbury in the letter to Beaumont is much longer. He says dear chuck in he laid out the accusations in more in what happened was is almost like a snowballing in avalon. The fact of played Comes out of this is is that there was plagiarism. A bradberry but not by Rod serling but actually George Clayton Johnson. Really in what I pointed out the George Frank Johnson. I interviewed him the same week of interviewed Bradberry in bribers at his home in Jordan Johnson. We went restaurant. Had the PATIOS for three Hours George Clayton Johnson. In Ray Bradbury new isn't happened in near man cared about. They voted. That was WANNA go. Wow and they were really good friends so it was shocking to me that there was no anger over that and then you you put that against how he speaks about sailing. That is very shocking. Yes in in the new in the authorized biography of Ray Bradbury called Albright Berry. Chronicles is rick based Wiler Take Sadler to task Sam Weller interviewed Bradberry his home over a period of a year. He refers to Ray Bradbury as ray in he never even went two hours worth of Samuel Retirement Chicago those up to Madison Wisconsin where he would found the lead or is about and according to Ray Bradbury surly surly with supposedly lying in bed. One night in looked over his wife in the they've talked about similar of a story. It was Mrs Serlin who toyed similarities to draw in said. Look in a told me about this. She said how would you know what I sit in bed. It's Okay Sam. Repeating a story that Ray Bradbury has said something that Carol Sterling's said with no paper trail now in that book as well He speaks about a phone call between sailing. bradberry in which sailing at least in part admits bribery taking inspiration from his stories. And and the way they tally. It's as if he admits the plagiarism. What are your thoughts about the phone? Call certainly early loved writing letters which grateful for and it seems likely that they would have done that. Without putting in writing surly documented his Special career in correspondents in Sending letters of faking alerts ladders to acknowledge other writers in particular so it seems odd that he would do that. It seems seems to me as well if indeed there was a phone call you know. Sailing is as a certain amount of humility and I could imagine him saying something like okay. I'm sorry you feel that way or especially when you see the tone of his latter. I just can't imagine them at maintenance and saying sorry and in that way I mean yes in sterling was a champion for other writers as earl. Hater told me in an interview sterling. Other writers DIGGITY television writers So surly wanted to lift up as many riders as he could consider that one of his purposes of being the producer of the TV show was acknowledging the writers that came within in when he who held his enemies he said boy will have to. I'm paraphrasing he. Truly either other writers made his awards so one of the stories that Ray Bradbury. I was basing his claim of plagiarism. On was the twilight zones pilot episode. Where is everybody? And he was saying that it was plagiarized from one of his stories which was called the silent towns which was from the Martian chronicles. Some commentators commentators have mentioned that Ray Bradbury actually saw whereas everybody and was very complimentary about it at the time. But why don't we just check out the opening scenes of the silent towns to see whether there is any similarity the silent towns by Ray Bradbury when there was a little white silent town on the edge of the dead marsh and see the town was empty. No one moved an lonely lights banned in the stores all day. The shop shop doors were wide as if people had run off without using their keys. Magazines brought for Mass on the Selva rockets a months before fluttered on touched banning brown on wire racks fronting. The silent drugstores. The town was dead. It's expanse were empty and cold. The only sound was the power on of electric lines and dynamos still alive all by themselves. That's what I ran. Forgotten bus towards poured out into living rooms onto porches announcer little garden plots to feed neglected it flowers in the dock theaters gome under the many seats began to Houghton with two impressions. Still in it across trust town was a rocket port. You could still smell the heart scorch smell when the last rocket blasted off when it went back to where if if you drop the diamond the telescope. I'm pointed at as perhaps you could see the big war happening there. Perhaps you could see New York explode. We're maybe London could be seen covered with a new kind of fog pop San. It might be understood why the small Mush in town is is abandoned. How quick was the evacuation Walkin? Any store buying Zeno sale key Castro's compounds pounds Albright Jingly was coins that were. Ns must be very bad along the empty avenues of was this town now whistling softly kicking a tin can ahead of him in deep concentration came a tall thin man. His eyes glowed with talk. Quiet look of loneliness. He moved his bony hands in his pockets which were tinkling with new dimes. Occasionally I mean. He tossed a dime to the ground. He laughed temporarily. Doing this on walked on sprinkling bright's dimes everywhere. When his name was Walter Grim he had a place a mine and remote shack far off the Blue Martian hills and he walked town every two two weeks to see if he could marry a quiet and intelligent woman over the years he had always retained to his shock alone in in disappointed a week ago arriving in town he had founded this way uh so perhaps on the surface you can see that? Where is everybody and the silent? Towns are both based on quiet quiet deserted towns but to be honest that's pretty much where the similarity ends clearly in the twilight zone one. The setting is a complete mystery. The main character does know who he is. He doesn't know where he is. And we don't know those things I are there and when the truth is revealed contains out that he was never really there at all now in the silent towns. It's Tom Dan. That's been evacuated and a minor from the hills was clearly not part of that evacuation while both stories can San themselves else with solitude and loneliness to a degree as it goes on Ray. Bradbury's tale becomes a lot more humorous because the main character adores. Find a woman in a far of town and they speak by phone initially but then when they find each other he finds them to be completely -pletely incompatible while road sailings tail is concerning itself with people's need for companionship. And how so. That's how we're really made ray Bradbury's is actually a riff on the saying. I wouldn't marry you if you're the last man on is put put the genders of flipped because it's a case of the male protagonist meeting this woman and then pretty much saying that he wouldn't marry her even though. Oh she's the last woman on Mars and it does become a story about saying that sometimes being alone doesn't necessarily mean that you are lonely now. The silent towns was actually adopted for Ray Bradbury Theater so as an exercise why not go and check out when it is every body and then check out the silent towns on Ray Bradbury Theater and see how similar they really are and if we are comparing hearing stories I would say that a more similarities with this story. The story of this fantastical woman this nanny. This grandmother ten and go up and having a profound effect on the life of this family especially the children with another very similar tale of that kind. Mary poppins now disappoint Mary. poppins the Disney movie hadn't been made but the Mary poppins books had been made for several years change Mary poppins into a robot. And you have. I sing the body electric. You must be Tom you and Karen and that's Aniko you give me any name. This saw lavinia no bovine. Ah You like grandma can say it. If you times it'll sell five. I know you're thinking I'm not a robot but I'll prove why me up a key. Wind robots up. They WanNa like Chrissy so here. Is Our electric grandmother now. This story was an original each no submission to the twilight zone by Ray Bradbury and I mean that it wasn't based on an existing short story however after to the episode was made Bradberry did write the story in prose form an originally appeared in McCall's magazine in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine but then it became the title story in a Ray Bradbury collection also in one thousand nine hundred sixty nine and in the pros version. The aletsch took grandmothers. Entrance has a lot more to it. Uh At that instant I repeat the clouds above our house opened wide. Let forth a helicopter like Apollo driving his chariot across mythological skies a knee Apollo machines swarmed down on its own some breeze wafting hot winds ends to cool relieving our hair smartening are eyebrows applauding of pant legs against our Shins. Making a flag lack of Agassi's hair on the porch and the settled like a vast frenzied hibiscus on our lawn. The helicopter slid wide a bottom draw. Doc On deposited upon the grass apostle of largest size no sooner having laid same then the vehicle with not not so much as a God bless offer. Well Sang Straightalk. Do Stamp to call me with ten thousand flourishes and then like a Sky Bond Davish tilted and fell off to be married some of the plays Timothy and die stood ribbon for a long moment looking at the parking case and then we saw the crowbar taped to the top of the raw pine lid and seized it and began to pry and Creek and squeal squeal the boards off one by one. And as we did this I saw I get a sneak. Hope to watch and I thought thank you. God thank you. That are never saw a coffin. When mother went to way no bucks no cemetery no they just words in the big chair? No box no books like this. The last pine plank fell away Timothy and I gasped I guess between now gasps to for inside the immense raw package was the most beautiful the idea anyone ever dreamt and built inside. Was the perfect gift for any child. From seven to seventy seven. We stopped all Bratz. We let them out in cries of delight and adoration inside. The open box was a mummy fast. Anyway a mummy case a saw coffee I guess. I don't know if this this entrance for the electric grandmother was ever suggested for the twilight zone. You can imagine why they opted for something a little quicker in a twenty eighty five minute. Long episodes so while grandmother meets the children. Why don't we meet grandmother? Our robot grandmother is played by Josephine Hutchinson and she was born in one thousand nine hundred ninety three so would have been just shy of sixty at this point and when we look at a young life life it is as geared towards becoming an actor as it could get and she said. My mother brought me up with the idea that some day I would go on the stage. I never really thought of doing anything else. So go onto the stage. She did and she won acclaim as Alice Alice in Alice in wonderland among other things and she was married to stage director Robert Bell in nineteen twenty four and joined the eve. galleon repair Tori theater on this association with the vote resulted in an affair between two women which ended Josephine's marriage in one thousand nine hundred thirty while the romance with either eventually ended to they still remain close for many years and in one thousand nine hundred. Thirty four Josephine became a contractor with Warner brothers. I'm Wa she had been an extra before in one thousand nine hundred seventeen here. Actual screen green credited debut came in the nineteen thirty four film. Happiness ahead and she became a steady movie actor from that point on and of particular note for me on. Your resume is her role as Elsa von Frankenstein in son of Frankenstein in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine. But when she was dropped by Warner brothers in the early forties film career was put on hold for five years and she instead began teaching acting acting now of course she did return to the screen initially movies but then in the mid one thousand nine hundred fifties. She began to work in television with roles in the Pepsi Cola playhouse and as time went on she essentially became a TV guest player rarely sticking around for more than a single performance performance on any given show and though she retired from acting in one thousand nine hundred seventy four she lived to the age of ninety four and passed away in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight after spending her final years in the Florence Nightingale nursing. Home in Manhattan now strangely only the Director James Sheldon didn't want her for the role of two robot grandmother an twilight zone Encyclopedia Steve Rueben Yuban relays his comments and Sheldon sides on. I sing the body electric which was a great story by Ray Bradbury. I didn't agree with the casting casting of the robots and I was never happy with that show because she was all wrong for it but they keep rerunning all the time so I should thought it was the only sour note in all the shows that I did for them now. I am quite surprised by this because I think she's actually very good in it and I think she has. There's an old Hollywood quality to that actually feeds into her performance as a robot polished old Hollywood acting style style. That preceded the more naturalistic acting style. That would become the thing in the seventies and I don't mean this as an insult ahead in any way a book because early films and television where really only one step away from the stage. At this point there is more of a sense of performance and I suppose auto officiality which is perfect for playing a robot that is human in so many ways but is just ever so slightly artificial you too so while I do think that all problems with this episode. I certainly don't agree. That Josephine Hutchinson was one of them now. The central point of the story here is that one of the children and is struggling to come to Thames Whiz life without him mother and of course that leads onto coming to terms with accepting the new electric grandma. I'm sorry about you've been good to us and for us. Don't worry about it. She'll accept me eventually. you see Mr Rogers. Children are the most complicated things I could be the greatest cook in the world the finest most exciting playmate the most incredibly interesting companion but those are very tiny Chinese niches. A shelf the stomach small legend the brain is the heart. I have to enter child's hot. This is a deep place difficult to reach but that too will come so this is the aspect of our lives that the episode so is examining the awful situation of family where one parent has passed away and to me. It's about that question of off can another pass and come in. If the remaining parents begins a new relationship the incredible amounts of confusing emotions that that brings brings up for the children. These feelings would include a feeling of betrayal feeling that they are betraying the parents who has died if if they accept the stepparent anger at the surviving parent for replacing the deceased parents and these are just two examples of the multitude of of emotions. That will be flying around at that time and the stepparent to of course is in a very difficult situation. They may come to it. We we love and patience but when tested and tested and tested does that run out well with the electric grandmother won't run out in the case of iron seems to have fear is that she will get close to him new grandmother but that she will leave or die at callaway. You're just old junk. And why do you hate me. They're like her your mother. I hate her her at call because she lied she. She said she loved me didn't she. She ran away ran away. She left me. You mean she does. She does so after this outburst and runs out into the streets and is almost hit by a truck but grandmother pushes her out of the way and we don't actually see but we assume that she gets hit by the chalk yourself being a robot. She's just fine and then they have this exchange. Grandma grandma your ally by I car. Nothing can hurt me not like mother in this way no ran away. I can't I won't never die. Never now. Although we're not at the end of our story here there is about five minutes. vep Sir left with this scene with the truck and the grandmother surviving. We have resolved emotional conflict in the story on was scared to get close to grandmother in case she left or died but Dan unsease that she can't die so this then allows her to get close to grandmother and accept tail off so all well and good in the twilight zone but unfortunately in the real world wasn't so forgiving Ray Bradbury was not happy with the episode and all of the main twilight zone books documentaries in some way but in Steve Ribbons twilight zone encyclopedia. He writes this Ray. Bradbury was none too happy with the way. This episode was produced juiced as he records or the Mark Phillips. I sing the body electric hand out. Okay but they took out the most important scene in my script gripped. The Father Asks Electric Grandmother. Why are their electric grandmothers? And she gives him a moment of truth she can do something I think no mother ever can. She can pay attention to all of the children equally. Only a machine could do that and since the father may never find a new wife somebody has to look after the children the electric Graham. Oh that is the substitute for the mother. That isn't there when I saw that. This scene scene was cut from the episode. I was furious. I called the next day and said for God's sake why didn't you tell me. He apologized and said that they hadn't. I've been time to film it. I said I had all of my friends. Come over to the House and we sat down to watch the show and the most important scene is gone. I don't want wants to work on your show anymore. I told him that I couldn't trust him as a producer so if that is bright breeze problem with the episode food I think we need to look at deal divisions of the story to see how that is or isn't included now in one thousand nine hundred eighty. Two there was is a television movie. Made called the Electric Grandmother Starring Maureen Stapleton as the grandmother. But it is I sing about the electric just just in a longer format it runs about forty five minutes and I wanNA thank a friend of the show Andrew for making me aware of and Ray Bradbury is credited. Ted with the tally play along with another writer. And as far as I can tell it's not just a story credit. IT IS A. Telly played credit so he had a hand in the writing and the television movie to use as they Steve Ice of having their child this time code Agatha almost being being hit by a car and the grandmother saving. Alright all right. It's all right. It's no it's all right. It's all right. They the bombing bombing no dear. Not Not Gosh. No I can't dic- then it was a little. Why when you said You'd never go no way Mike not like mom? You'll always be here. They always cross Maha. That was all a little thought. I'd imitate your mommy. Go Away and never come back now. You See. I can't be killed. I'll always be given. How do you believe us either? You and Tom to our old uh-huh shards skill so if bradberry has another shot at this he's on television. I would imagine that this scene being so important would be there but the closest I can find is this one. I can't believe how boys have changed since you've been here instill of you say so me. Well I feel wonderful. It's true I can only bring Agatha around. She's afraid that makes her angry. It's my task to discover the source of Sounds so reasonable. Reasonable is if I understood what that meant anymore. I'm talking to this machine is if she were a real woman often. I feel you are a real woman. Sometimes I wonder sort of a human being. I am to be so much less understanding that a machine. Oh now that's nonsense. I'm a machine made up of you and Tom Indian ACA and everything you ever say and do I should put away and treasure so used used to thinking of machines. Cold and inhuman machine is. That's good machine does good things bad machine does banning. Some clothes pins. Yeah see I have time time for your children to tell me the dreams to say what they want to be and I shall run ahead on the path and help them be so it is addressing it to a degree. But it's not very explicit sense like Ray Bradbury was saying was was missing from the twilight zone. Now if you look at the pros version the written invasion than the scene is definitely there now. She went on around the table clearing away sorting and stacking neither grossly nor arthritic with pride. What do I know this above all the trouble with most families with many children as someone gets lost? There isn't time it seems for everyone. Well I will give equally to all of you. I will share out my knowledge and attention with everyone. I wished to be a great warm pie fresh from the oven with equal shares to be taken by all no one. We'll starve look someone cries and I'll look listen. Someone cries and I hear run with me on the river path. Someone says and I run and at dusk. I am not tired nor irritable so I do not scold out of some tired irritability. My eyes stays clear. My voice strong my hand firm. My attention constant but said father. His voice fading half convinced but putting up a last faint argument. You're not there as for love if paying attention is love. I am love if if knowing is love I am love if helping you not to fall into error and to be good is love love. I am love and again to repeat there are four of you each in a way never before or possible in history will get my complete attention no matter if you all speak at once. I can channel in here this one and that amid amid the other clearly no one will go hungry. I will if you please and accept the strange word love you all so. It's puzzling as to why Ray Bradbury didn't make sure that this scene was was so explicitly included in the television version. And I WanNa thank branded you cola for lending her voice to that part of the story. The TV version does touch upon these aspects. Why are their electric grandmothers? Put Not in some heavily profound speech that the grandmother gives and to be honest while I have some issues wiz. I sing the body. Electric the twilight zone invasion. I still Kinda Kinda got the gist of the parts of the story. I don't think it was a major emission. So is the television movie better than the twilight zone episodes. I think I prefer the showroom seen in the twilight zone episode because it has a beautiful dark room and you could hypothesize that the show Joe Room itself was a product of the twilight zone but other than that I think that yes. The television movie tells the story better and the reason season I was keeping track of the timing in the episode earlier on. Was that what the television movie has that. The twilight zone lacks is time. Now the fabled listed story style of the best twilight zone episodes where things are pared down to their essence and told to us in such a way as to be deceptively. Simple is one of the great things about the show and it is one of Rod sailing special talents and by deceptively simple. I mean road. Sailing makes it look easy. Sometimes but it's not getting across to these huge aspects of the human condition in such a graceful way where you almost absorbed a message without realizing there is difficult to do you or maybe some things just can't be boiled down to a deceptively simple. They ballistic message. or at least maybe Ray Bradbury. He couldn't boil it down to a deceptively simple fable the electric grandmother. TV Movie Way because when the grandmother tans up the time that she talks about having for the children is also time that we all have with them as of this story in whatever form it takes is is meant to talk on the heartstrings and the twilight zone vision is nice but I think it struggles to do that for me because the time she spends with the children is about ten minutes of screen time. And it's just not enough on an even needs a rare mid episode Rod serling narration and the last one he did made episode. I believe to try and get that attachment to hair across as of this moment. The Wonderful Electric Grandmother moved into the lives of children find she became integral put and she became the essence. As of this moment they would never see lightning. Never hear poetry never listen to foreign tunnels without thinking everything they would ever see hear taste feel would remind them of her. She was on life and all life was wondrous quick electrical. Like thank you so the episode did get made. I sing the body electric as as a as a as a viewer of twilight zone as a fan of the twilight zone. What do you think of? It has an emotional tongue to it. It is lacking some of the other stories stories tenderness in kind bed about the relationship between children in their parents which is not always found in a a lot of certain things works but in other writers bradberry straight exactly the emotional relationship. We have others it is not an intellectual. Exercise is not about moral obligation. It's about how connect with people on. I'm that parental level. Bradbury wrote one of the most powerful seminars pieces ever seen produced for television in the nineteen fifties as for Alfred Hitchcock presents shopping for death. Even watching this today I am amazed at homered Somebody's representing the female point of view. The nineteen fifties in the sense of isolation desperation surly did an Alfred Hitchcock in the introduction. Acknowledges this is Ray. Bradbury was not everyday name then he was author and and he had reached the stature. Ray Bradbury dead so in the end the children grow up on the grandmother goes back to to the factory and that is one exchange that I find to be quite fascinating. What's GonNa Happen to you now? I'll go back to back taxability. I sing the body. Electric heavy set out to help. Raise another family like yourselves. Perhaps I'll be taken apart redistributed. They won't destroy you. Know my mind my soul you might say I will go for a while into a room. Voices voices great dim room where the mind and sells always have all the other mechanical grandmother brought and stored for a month or a year and in that room. We'll talk to each other and we'll tell but we learn from the world from the families we live with and I'll tell what I learned from an and care and Tom when the grandmother talks of these things. It's this really interesting. Melding of technology and spirituality. She's essentially intially talking about uploading here electronic consciousness to save A. It's like this celestial almost heavenly place place where she melts whereas other consciousnesses to maybe one day be reincarnated or in real well Thames. Have I programme retail loaded for use again now in the television movie version. This is a lot less zero. The grandma but literally just goes and sits in a room with several other electric grandmothers. So if I think on that's actually something that I preferred in the twilight zone vision to to but we never actually see or get representation of it. So while grandmother gets consciousness or blowed will leave it therefore now while we reflect on the story itself and what went wrong now. I know that this is a beloved episodes. Some and you might say well well. It seems fine to me. As far as I'm concerned nothing went wrong. And that's great if this is an episode that sits in the top tier of twilight zone for you or has some personal significance. I can see how that could be the case. And I'm glad that it is but in real well tames. This was a troubled production production. Not Just for the reason of Ray Bradbury not liking and as we mentioned earlier the two directors on it for that very reason in the twilight zone companion book out and said we did retakes. We practically did down over. It just didn't work. The first thing was has done in October of sixty one and the next one was done in February of sixty two and it was damn near full Redo. A natural is played by June Vincent instant in the original and Doris Packer in the second. It just wasn't an acceptable picture and so we rewrote. I Guess Jim Sheldon Sheldon wasn't available. Normally I'd have called him back now. The roads who actually getting I sing the body. Electric to the screen was never simple Paul from day one so when we think about this trouble production where they've had to Redo it. It almost seems it's getting icing. The body electric into the twilight zone was almost like hammering a round peg into a square hole. Because when we look back at it actually getting there are so many things along along the way that meant that. Maybe they just shouldn't do it anyway. Martin grams junior documents. That Ray Bradbury sent sailing the tally play for. I sing the body. Electric on March Fifteenth Nineteen fifty-nine and he says to sailing be brutal to me about it and one another few writers in the world with a rhino skin. CALL ME AS H H l when you've had a chance to digest this and we'll set up a date for lunch on May Eighteenth Nineteen fifty-nine sailing retain the tally play with a heart warming and respectful rejection. I'm returning I sing the body electric which you're very likely have use for yourself. I rather imagine that if you use it you'll make me very sorry as hell. I didn't grab it when and it was available so even early on there was echoes that I sing the body. Electric wasn't quite right. For the twilight zone. A Martin grams junior goes on the bradberry revised his nineteen fifty-nine draft and resubmitted again but sailing in one letter to book Houten confessed that it needed needed more work and he had no heart to personally alter revise Orrin prove on a master's privilege on when it was filmed and and broke out and enrolled sailing. Noticed that it just wasn't working. They then had to make the decision to refill an add extra footage and ray Bradbury said in a television column. I'm not sure how this twilight zone will turn out. It was shot six months ago. Then just recently it was necessary to reshoot some of it Eh and they called me only the day. Before to do the rewriting I was exhausted from working on a new novel Untold Producer Book Houten. He'd have to get somebody the else to do it. And James Sheldon. The original director in locking the door to a television classic says this happened a number of times on the twilight zone. It was common for the RAV cut to be viewed and decisions made after when they decided shot should be inserted or additional scenes needed to pick up the film they Tanta. Whoever was directing an episode that day and ask them to film a number of insights they would ask the current director because oftentimes the initial director? It would have been off doing something else regarding the Ray Bradbury Story. It was not my choice. I complained about the script before we began shooting. I did not like what they gave me. And there was little to work with after they saw what we filmed. It was apparently agreed with me and decided to re shoot. Some of the scenes means but I was elsewhere doing another project so they got someone else so again. We're seeing this thing. That sailing was never initially happy with the story. James Sheldon was never happy with the story. Sailing was never really happy with it even after it was re rose probably Kinda just whether in deference to Ray Bradbury and in May of nineteen sixty nine. He says something I think is actually key to all of this and Martin Grams Junior documented again and it says as to my attitude toward Brad breeze work. Needless to say. I'm an admirer a deep admirer. I have found however there is much more effective on the page than years on the proscenium. The lyrical quality of his work seems to lend itself to the printed page age rather than to spoken language in the case of I sing the body electric the words that seemed so beautiful in the story turned out archaic and Wooden and somehow unbelievable when a person speaks. But this of course is one man's opinion and it's hardly engraved on rock so that is very key for me because I do feel that. Yes on paper Ray. Bradbury is the perfect pair soon to come in and help with the twilight zone but sometimes the things just don't fit and it seems to me that maybe Rod serling eventually realized on when he saw what Ray Bradbury was bringing into him bringing bringing to the twilight zone he probably realized that it didn't fit but now he's in this awful situation where he needs to say to this leading light of science fiction. Actually your stories aren't right for my show. But he is in this awkward position so eventually they use. I sing the body electric and I also feel that the use or lack of use of that scene where the electric grandmother speaks about having time for all the children that Ray Bradbury got so incensed about is actually quite key as well now rod serling emitted knitted from the twilight zone and then he told Ray Bradbury that they didn't have time to film it so it was. He just being diplomatic here because in that comment road sailing said on the page Ray. Bradbury is very lyrical very beautiful and it works but when you try and speak here. It just doesn't seem natural. So is that the reason why that scene was omitted from the twilight zone. Because then when when Ray Bradbury does a prose version of he puts that scene back in and Brandy Cola did a beautiful reading of that scene but if you go back and listen to the language the way it said Brandy performed a beautifully. But she's reading the prose version. She he's reading from the board. But can you imagine a pass and in general conversation speaking and saying those words if you put it that way it's harder to take so bradberry. Put that scene back in for the pros version but then in the eighties when he adopted it again for television that seen as gone so did ray Bradbury or whoever was working on that show also think actually this scene just doesn't wear when someone stands and says now that is just also position on my heart it is guesswork and I'm just basing on what I see in front of me but it certainly makes sense to me when you put it that way you interviewed Ray. Tell us about that interaction. How did you find them? I will always be grateful that Ray Bradbury greeted me warmly. Allowed me was home than later. May Access to to his art is. The nicest story can say about Ray Bradbury's when I interviewed him. I had a ceremony for fifty one from high school. That was UNAIRED head Pencil marks in which is full over. When he went to sign the books I hit a brand new heart oppy Fahrenheit with cakes Given in Ray Bradbury appointed paperback to that one. This hard of a book would never be read. It was going to sit on a shelf and collect re bradberry was gracious. He looking ahead a letter. They disagreed actually contradicted convicted. His claim of plagiarism. Is Response was that I am to give sampler then he would tell me what ray Bradbury's response was and I explained to Mr Bradbury. His politely possible. I couldn't do that I was looking for Mr Braggart urge response. Not Sam Weller. Right it was giving Mr Weller. My homework I had done the research I had found a letter. And I wanted Mr Bradbury correspondent sponsored not Sandler. This was a sort of very private feud if you like but eventually things would leak out here in sailing does was make some comments later on about the adaptability of Ray Bradbury's way after they fell out and I get the feel and Bradberry and the twilight zone were both great in their own way. What maybe they would just incompatible and it almost seems that Rod sailing felt that way as well and it it may be put him in an awkward position? What what do you think of that? The unfortunate thing is surly had written in college in early radio he had written. It's a science fiction. He'd written fantasy the first rejection letter. We have written to ride certainly says this fantasy which we do not find commercially. So bradberry did not know that surly headed background writing fantasy science fiction. He was considered a dramatist. The dealt with very extra central issues in power relationships so when surly search rating the twilight zone Ray Bradbury Berry feels as it. Structured Right Berry field does not know that surly pass this deep will background of this. And he's now using certainly keeping his hosts right so and then you have Bradbury who in nineteen fifty seven had signed a contract to have his own TV show at the same time in that fellow in what we think. A bread is being political because Fifty one bradberry is not arriver. It's certainly news. Brian Berry wrote about censorship. In it's absolutely and I disagree with Mr Bradbury End February. Fourteen one is about censorship. Shed does have Over that period right in so then you have played who is not emotional national writer. So they're they're running. Carol Fax the different political of bound. I sing the body electric. Um I would argue that. There's not all twilight zones are little or existential but in this case it stands out as insensitive. It'll in not about the human edition in the outer world. It's about the inner world of emotion. I like to think that after all these years of doing this show I at least have a sense of rod sailing and the man he was. I have no such insights into ray Bradbury simply because I don't know enough now if you go to mark Zicree last interview on this. Show that my friend Brandon. Did he says that. Ray Bradbury's philosophy. Was that the answer to everything is Love. So it's quite hard to take when you read or hear the vigour with which he goes after sailing about the plagiarism matter. And if you check how Jason and Sonny Bronx documentary. The way he talks about Rod. Sailing is is very disappointing. Is Very old manatees point. Clearly he has health issues and he's struggling but I do remember watching that. I'm being quite dismayed by this situation. Now I'm not here to demonize Ray Bradbury but I do feel that the values that we all associate with Rod serling you would have precluded him from plagiarizing ray Bradbury's wake now throughout the twilight zone. We have head these accusations from people other than Brad Brie free and when we actually hold the wake up to the light and have a look at it. We realize how unfounded the accusations tend to be. And we've also oh head of Rudd sailing closing down the open submission policy on the twilight zone to God's against accusations of plagiarism. So to plagiarize ager is arguably one of the most famous science fiction. Writers in the world at that point doesn't really make sense now. Another friend Andrew. Schneider Schneider wrote to me before. I put this APP so together and he made me aware of the electric grandmother but he also made me aware of another instance where Bradbury was very vocal about an adaptation of his way Andrew Rights. I will note that the twilight zone wasn't the last time bradberry savage to final final TV production of one of his own scripts. BRADBERRY CO wrote descript for a three part miniseries adaptation of his book the Martian in chronicles which aired in nineteen eighty and his co screenwriter. Richard Matheson Andrew goes on the following is from the IMDB Trivia section on that mini series for disclosure. I wrote this entry though. Have long since forgotten the original source of the information and he writes writes. The mini series was originally scheduled for release in September nineteen seventy nine as a major kickoff to the nineteen seventy nine eighty season thousand. Unfortunately it fell victim to some negative publicity from Ray Bradbury himself. Although Bradbury had worked with script writer Richard Matheson in adopting his book to the small screen. He was less than thrilled with the final production at one point shortly before the mini series scheduled. Release Police Bradberry fads himself the sole representative of the production at a press conference when one reporter asked him what he thought of. The miniseries responded candidly boring. NBC Soon shelved a mini series and did not air until January one thousand nine hundred eighty now. I Admire Ray. Bradbury is honesty. I admire the fact that he hasn't your sugar coated because it says work and he didn't like the add up tation so he said it. But it's also indicative of the factor. Ray Bradbury did seem to have quite a temper on times. I'm what I also found to be a a little troublesome. Is that two stories in the eighties. Twilight zone based on bradberry short stories and one of them. The banning mad was adopted apted by a writer and director called JD. FAGEL SIN and although bribery wasn't directly involved in the production of you most definitely approved grieved ave and on the website bradberry media Darko. UK There is a quote from one thousand nine hundred eighty. Six early. Says it was very good. It was written and directed by a friend of mine. I got him the job I fought for him. He did the script and I told the people at the twilight zone that I wanted him to director and I was in New York on my way to Europe when he called me. They don't want me to direct. He said I'll just back off. I said I only sold a script so you could do it. So get the hell off the phone and go tell them you're going to direct it or else that's the end. You got to fight for yourself off. He called me back an hour later and said I got it and I said thank God I screamed you. You've got to believe in yourself. He called me many times afterward to thanks for being fan so he knows what friendship is now also on that same page. It says Fagel sin has known bradberry for nearly two years. He is and says the Bradberry taught him writing. I had met him through a PBS film. That I did a civil war movie. By Ambrose Beers a mutual friend suggested that I show it to ray and he offered to mental me and still does actually and fatos use of the banning months story came about through his attempt to develop and sell a different and Sala g series of his own called strange dimensions on bradberry authored and the banning man to adapt apt so although strain dimensions never came to be Vegas incentive scripts to James Crock who's producing the new twilight zone and Allen Brennan who was story editor of the new twilight zone said that the script had theatrical dialogue that no one ever speaks outside of a ray Bradbury the story so that kind of backs road sailings take on the adaptability of Ray Bradbury's wag also Fagel and sat on that site. What what I did with raise approval was cut out dialogue that went on longer than a need to establish whatever effect it was supposed to do? It was more of an editing job as well as putting it into tally play form now. bradberry was very happy with this adaptation of the banning man and clearly fagel son has looked for his approval on any goods to dialogue. So it does suggest bradberry is very protective and sensitive to changes to his work for the screen and of course he has the right as the creator of the way but also in the eighties. Twilight zone is a story called the elevator. That from what I can tell was actually written by Ray Bradbury based on one of his own on produce short stories now. The reason season that I mentioned these is that I find it quite troubling to be honest because by the time the twilight zone came around Rhode sailing had passed away but regardless of this the twilight zone is show the eighties twilight zone is his show. The two thousand twilight zone is his show and so is the latest version. Yes the creators are different but they are playing in his son box. So Ray Bradbury to be attacking sailings character in one breath but then to come back to his show after he has passed away. That doesn't quite sit right with me because has had been a gesture of posthumous reconciliation. Perhaps I would be more accepting of it. But bradberry continued to make these occasional Hazna comments about sailing after these adaptations. What's your assessment of the whole thing you know did bradberry genuinely feel that sailing was plagiarised or was the more to the now facing bredbury genuinely felt slighted? There's I have no doubt about that. I think bradberry always subtlety never do until later in Life Red Red Berry wanted to also is other writers in. He was alleged by other writers. have influenced George Clayton Johnson. All Mon Richard Matheson. All of them adored very door rod serling but for different reasons and I think a lot of them. I'm headed took over the relationship between them. Ray Bradbury Lights On the front states wide surly even though Oh surly believed it beat in front of the camera with was just as important as some senators surly. Didn't stay his name on products. Bradberry He was an important game but he wasn't the headliner Berry. Always wanted to be the headliner and I think that was a large conflict is while you had two competing egos and Bredbury later in life. non want to have to share his name. One more thing I'd like to mention is that the nineteen eighty eighty Scott Z creep. He was all the writers in actually could find pilates on He asked for a Bredbury. Ah Lakers in Bredbury is as saying I would prefer Right top the twilight zone series overdone might work stands on its own. You know one thing that I always I found it. Maybe a little insulting salting was that after sailing past Ray Bradbury had stories in the eighties. Twilight Zone always felt a bit wrong that if he had such a such malice toward sailing that he would then go into the eighties version of the show. You know I agree listening. and Ed full disclosure not a bit of Eagle trampling and because bradberry outlive surly. I find it unfortunate that bradberry arrogance the last say in. We're not looking at the actual dog beds. I'm Ben would surly did have the right to speak sterling The new hire Writer into Saint Plagiarism. I'd like to thank. Amy Bro. Johnston for once again coming back to the show to to share knowledge and insight. And if you WanNa read more about this situation than checkout hair book on known sailing and I just I wanNA finish up with a couple of quotes from a couple of authors one of them. Is Amy Ball Johnston and inhere book. She's talking about Rape Brad Breeze reas- biography and the biographer and she says in some sections of the book. Well a US Brad breeze files to back up his various insights into the mind in other areas of the book Wella Rely Solely on the memories of Bradberry and often refers to Bradberry by his first name as if they are friends. Friends not researcher subject herein lies the problem. The role of a biographer authorized or not is primarily that of a research I check. Memories are not fact memories. Change over. Time the biographer must explore the events independently and clarify memories by using documents and the accounts of others to explore any contradictions between written and variable interpretations a biographer. I should never rely solely on an interview with one person as well it it concerning the accusation of plagiarism. The West allegation a writer can face ace default he allies with Weller not bradberry and also like to read a quote from the Koran. Shot me graphic novel in his summing at the end of it and he talks about his research for doing that book an he says so here I am three years later and I feel like I have to say goodbye to to a friend I take down some reference shots of sailing for my studio wall and suddenly I feel sad. I didn't know him. In fact he died before four. I was even born but there was something about his work. That struck a chord with me and he goes on. It's time for me to say goodbye to the friends. I never in you. I agree with Amy's point on this but thankfully for me while this show is in part review and sometimes biography more than anything else else. It's my twilight zone Janney audio form. So I'm not bound by those rules. Karan Shat means description is as good a description description of my own journey into the work of Rod sailing in the twilight zone itself on the one hand is review and examination of. What's on screen in fact behind it but as it's gone on it has become a kind of quest to get closer to rudd sailing the manage well and it is an and impossible quest? Because I'll never get to shake him by the hand and talk to him face to face because he is the friend that I'll never have breath but the Janney is where regardless so in the case of bradberry versus sailing. I'M GONNA go with my friend on this one. which makes it a kind of bitter sweet thing to finally get to this point the twilight zone where Ray Bradbury makes his entrance and and then his exit and then to find that? It's not an episode that I particularly have a great fondness for anyway. It's not bad but it's it's family on the mid tier for me. I don't think it quite packs the emotional point that it was meant to the punch sites later television version. Listen does have. But the story does have something but overall it's an illustration of something that I've thought often you can have the best science fiction story in the world but it doesn't make it good twilight zone and you can have the best science fiction writer in the world but it doesn't mean gene the he can write the twilight zone either for me while I think this is a nice story and it is a good story. It doesn't quite feel like the twilight zone to me but in all of the negativity that we've had to go through in this episode. I would like to end on a positive note because while well. This one doesn't quite work for me. I can see how it could be very important to other people. It's message is a good one and the struggle with grief life and then acceptance of low following loss is at its core very accurate to it tells us the parenthood or guidance sometimes comes from other places and I think this is one for the foster care is for the stepparents for the adoptive parents. The people you you give love not because they're tied by blood but because they have that lavigne them to give and there's someone there who needs and it is a struggle trouble because those relationships are not always easy and the person who they want to show that look to is not always welcoming offer so while it might it not be a twilight zone for me. It is a twilight zone then a fable most assured me but who's to say at some Distant moment there might be an assembly line producing a gentle product in the form of a grandmother whose stock in trade is love fabled shore. But who's to say now sterling next week on the twilight zone. Two incredibly talented people join forces to she always what happens when an accident prone discombobulated lady with six thumbs and two left. Feet meets a hapless hapless guardian angels. Who knows more about Martinez than miracles? This Carol Brunette and Mr Jesse white or the chief ingredients to a very funny stew. Next week. 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apotheosis

Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day

02:19 min | 2 years ago

apotheosis

"Marion Leicester's word of the day. Four February fifteen. Today's podcast is sponsored by the New York Times crossword app challenge yourself with the New York Times. Many crossword the mini puzzle can be solved in about two minutes for a fund stimulating way to spend your downtime. Download the New York Times crossword app at New York Times dot com slash many puzzle. Today's word is apotheosis spelled APO T H E O S. I S apotheosis is a noun. That means the perfect form or example of something the quintessence, it can also mean the highest or best part of something the peak or elevations to divine status. A synonym of the word day, if occasion here's the word used in a sentence from the New Yorker by Troy Patterson in two thousand eighteen this adaptation of Ray Bradbury's Fahrenheit, four fifty one speaks to the apotheosis of social media to the approach of thar, -tarian ISM and to any other anxieties about the self surveillance state that you might harbor. Among the ancient Greeks. It was sometimes thought fitting or simply handy say if you wanted a God somewhere in your bloodline to grant someone or other God status. So they created the word apotheosis from the verb apotheosis, meaning today affi-, the prefixed APO can mean off from or away and Theo's is the Greek word for God. There's not a lot of Greek style. Apotheosis sizing in the twenty first century. But there is hero worship our extended. Use of apotheosis as elevations to divine status is the equivalent of placement on a very high pedestal even more common. These days is to use a thesaurus in reference to a perfect example or ultimate form, for example, one might describe a movie as the apotheosis of the sci-fi movie Shawna with your word of the day. I'm Peter Sokolow ski. Is it Mary Webster dot com today for definitions wordplay and trending word ups.

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Something Wicked This Way Comes--Librarian B

Drunk Librarians Podcast

49:18 min | 1 year ago

Something Wicked This Way Comes--Librarian B

"Welcome to drunk librarians. Your to source for all things booze and books each episode we take turns reviewing and summarizing. What we've been reading recently been warned. There are spoilers here so in every episode title include librarian who was reviewing the book as well as the title. So it's something. You really wanna say spoiler freon i advise you. Click on it. The only rule around this podcast simple. It's one we stick to. Its one we firmly believe in no growing up. Welcome to the pre show pre game. This is where we tell you what is supposed to happen on this week's episode before we're too far gone on this episode librarian be is talking about ray bradbury's something wicked this way comes. Obviously i've never read it. I think it must be classic because it got its guy's name on it but enjoy and i'm ready. I'm going to talk about my book. The thing what thing with the shows about. I mean the podcast is about. What is our podcast about good. Well books well. I got very drunk. And i'm now ready to talk about a book. Good just talk about one. Does anyone okay. I'm talking about that one too. Something alt-right here home insured. Oh god look you. Thank you for supporting my vision. We welcome we're talking about rape bradbury's something wicked this week. The sound is a good thing. You see said the name right. I'm proud that the only thing. I'll be saying right for the rest of this episode. I have not actually had as much wine. As i've had in the past but in his worked with much more efficiency we just injected into our just straight up. It probably didn't help that. I drink a whole glass in one gulp to make you laugh that okay. That was pretty funny. It almost went down to the. I started laughing. And then that's when everything went wrong. It's just the look on. My face made me crack up and then it just took me a minute to make that happen but yes so. We're talking about something. We this way comes by ray bradbury which is very fitting this october for october episode. I know nothing about this book. I know in fact. I did not know. He wrote a book that was named this. He did so. And this is actually the only ray bradbury book i've ever read. You haven't read the classic. I have not. I'm borrowing for fifty one. I bought it at goodwill a couple of months ago is on my bookshelf. I haven't read it. I mean. I know that as a librarian i'm legally required to read it but like i do the gist of it like roles. I'm never gonna fuck and read this shit. You're not gonna tell me how to live my library. I probably will read it. Because i do. I do really like this book. And i really like how he writes so i could definitely get into some of the other books that he's written. I just have yet to do that. I mean i have a shirt and it says it to you so many books so little time. It's very angry. There's a lot of books to read. But what i really. So let's let's set up the story for something wicked. This way comes very autumn based book. It's all about fall and kind of the spookier seasons which you know is my sham. Damn it's you know. I love my autumnal vibes. She's rolling her eyes at me. She's being mean to me. It's so bad people anyway. Being bullied by podcast host. But it is. I mean the whole book starts out with october's a strange month for boys and so i mean there's just laying on those october five. I'm like fuck yeah. Sign me up boy. i'm in. I'm in Actually what really got me into what made me read. This book was the movie. There's the movie a movie that came out in the eighties with jason robards who i love and a very young very sexy jonathan pryce. He's he's these words made nothing wrong. I know you've never seen a movie in your life. But i'm going to work with you here. How do you ever seen. Pirates of the caribbean. I have to you know. Elizabeth swann's papa. Yes that is. That is jonathan pryce. Oh good good. Good back in the eighties. He was a younger man. An empty not really cut but he was. He had like an attitude. He was like this evil devil. Incarnate figure that was just kind of like he was like wearily eardley sexy but like in a bad way. You know what i mean. It was like i can dig it. This man is but i'm intrigued. It you could link you so. I used to actually When i was a very young child for my halloween parties my mom would just show like some weird movie that she really liked as a kid to indoctrinate all of us kids into this like cult of weird s movies and it worked really well and so we one of the movies we wash. Was something wicked. This way comes. And i loved that movie. It's a great movie. It's kind of like you're being told a story. It's very storybook. Feel to it and it's very fall you've got all the fall leaves in the small town and it's really it's great and so i'm like i'm going to read this book so i read the book for the first time like in middle school or junior high and i really didn't like it as the movie so much better than this. This is nonsense. You saw the movie. I exactly so i really did not like the book the first time i read it. I remember thinking that the movie was so much better that the characters were better that the story was more fleshed out. The story kind of went in a different direction than i thought the movie story in different direction than i thought the book did like the movie really focuses on the dad and how he's an older dad and they're like like he's much older than like his son is like ten or twelve and he's way older than most parents and so he feels really bad because he can't play catch with a son he can't run around he can't he's too old for these things like eighty he's like like in a sixty s and so he's not as physically adept to keep up with that and that was a really big feature of this movie that i didn't really see as much in the book. Rereading the book many years later i'm going. Oh it was all there the whole time. How could i've been so blind so into the book itself. All stop talking about. I let me tell you about this book iran. So something wicked. This way comes as your shirt with a attest to. It is actually a quote from shakespeare. It is very sexy of her include. Where did my cert- comprom- weird teacher shirt come from the globe the globe theatre we huddled true artiste in the world traveler with. Do a half on say that. I'll later no definitely including that because you are fancy little bitch. I've not been to the globe theater. But i did read about so we more than i've done so it all comes out in the wash a kids so this book is just so what i really love about. It is that it's just so very it's a tribute to the beauties of fall and the death of nature and the cyclical nature of how the world works. And i just fucking if all about life and death and that's just how it is on this earth. my friends it's all about life and death life death and student loans. And i notice amen hallelujah preach so in the story you've got will almost will turner because we were talking about. Pirates of the caribbean. Different will will. I know that one will holloway and jim nightshade. I mean talk about some name. Does he gives them shade. he's like ten or twelve. these kids are ten or twelve. I don't know how much i don't know. Teens can be given some shade. That's sure shady kids they're laying it down so it's about jim in will and their father. Charles holloway very different than the last charles. I talked about this. Charles is a lovely gent who adore mainly because he was played by jason robards in the film and i adore. Jason robards wholeheartedly. I don't have a movie reference to pull that into context free so just not along. You're doing you're doing great. I'm just picturing a really handsome man. His he's just. He's one of those older gentleman who just look like they smell really good. You know they dress really well and they just look like i would like to hug you and i bet you smell really nice. You know. let's like okay. That's like a thing in my household we talk about a lot. I get it out of my depth. Here you're buying anyway. So you've got jim and will. Who are the kids charles. Who is the father. And they're all living their life in this nice town in a state that i have forgotten because i've had only been wine my friends in a state as state. It's fine. yeah and it set kind of it doesn't really say specifically but we're kind of looking like the thirties thirties. Early forties when carnivals were just running rampant old tiny carnivals with no safety regulations carnival book. It's a carnival book babe anything about the whole. You are fresh eyes. I like this. And it's like an evil carnival. It's like it's like pure evil in a carnival. It's very it's very awesome. Is this like the show. The carnival with the american horror story is just like that. No okay go on. Oh this is more supernatural. Now is that was more just like. Hey i could sell you to this fake mutter museum for profit and i'm like that is kind of probably how the mutter museum. Okay go on so in. So they're just two boys living their life going to school with their matronly schoolteacher because as we all know all librarians and school. Schoolteachers are very matronly characters. we all saw. it's a wonderful life and saw the horrors that befell all my god. What's her name history. I don't know. I've blocked that movie out. Starring hearts no. Don't even get me started on that movie episode for another time children all right but moving on anyway years old librarian old teachers got it got it got it done. Let's all take a sip. Show line time now. They're living their lives going about their care for existence in this tiny little new england town living their best fall lives. And that's october. It's beautiful the leaves or changing the air's crisp and full of magic and what happens flyer start going about town. There are random papers floating about in the breeze. Flyer a flyer. Sorry a handbill. If you will to be fitting of time i'd hate to be an acronym stick here so these flyers are going around for dark and cougars pandemonium carnival and the boys catch one of these on a brisk autumn breeze. They cash one unfurling it and they go. What's this a carnival in october. Why it's much too late for that sort of shenanigans. The karen carnivals never come in october but there is a carnival coming this october. Yes and shit happens follow. Whatever like that and then they're they're in bed separately because this was the thirties and whatever the couple children now they have. They're in their own houses but their next door neighbors affect their next door neighbors and they hear this train whistle thought a train. You go trump. It took i'm going down. Kids call on jail. Was the first thing that you did. The train tracks chew up a row own concern. Funnily enough i actually have heard a train in my life. I don't know what that was about. That was mine that was wine and my mouth rating wine. Train was shut him out of the station. They your this train coming. It's like three o'clock in the morning and they're like though what train is going by three o'clock in the morning because they don't understand basic transportation that point and they're like gem leans out his window and he's like hey well hey will the carnivals come to town and wales like goalie. Isn't that neto jim. Let's go see the train. He was let me put up my spats in my other pants. And i'll get golly gee dress up to go see the train and they seek out of the house and run on down past the cemetery which is very sexy and inclusion. If i may say so just like. We're running through the cemetery. Yeah let's do it babe and down to the train tracks and there's this train that comes by and and but like no. There's no there's no one driving the train. Who and all the cars go by. And it's like scared right now terrified as hair. You can hold my hand if you get too scared and just let me know. Thank you hand and the cars go by. And it's all very eerie and spooky and they follow it down to the field where the carnivals going to set up and then it all just like appears piece by piece and all these things keep happening in. It's very buki. And they go back home and they're like well. That was fucking weird. Was that all about but then they go back the next day. Which happens to be a saturday which is very convenient timing on everyone's part like boom you open your carnival saturday's business. Were ready to go. They were good business plan. You gotta plan these kinds of enterprises creepy creepy car. People the was no driver of the train will. Who's driving the train. If you're recording the podcast. I'm recording the podcast than who's driving the trend in. How many. We'll so they go to the carnival. The next stained alex fine. Looks like a normal carnival. Everything's bright and sunny in the in. The sunshine of mid data looks normal. There's a hall of mirrors and rides in a whack a mole bullshit and probably funnel cake stand. Thayer what do you think a carnival is. I don't know hurtles fair but like usually with a freak show back before people had rights. Teach me things allies. One let back in married we hit occur came in on a tree and no one drove the train. Because we only have ghost engineers back in the day and that's a fair county fair way and we had kind of fairs. I won't take this disrespect so bad. Okay keep going keep going. So they're like this is super normal. There's nothing to be worried about. What the hell where we forget about last night must've been hopped up on too many sticks or he old takes these digs whenever this kids were sucking down in the day. And they run into their teacher sucking. Whoa okay. i said pixie six. I was referring to candy. I don't know what librarian as insinuating in this podcast. This is an innocent children's saint a this is a children's a children's movie. Actually the the movie was produced by disney movie. But i think it is actually filed an adult fiction. I'd have to double check. But i'm pretty sure choking now nowadays and time here this i'm going to feel like died. The wine just did unholy. Oh see okay rather carnival. Ms foley schoolteacher. The old school marm is there. Because we all know. Schoolteachers have never had sex in their life. That's what every literary thing tells us my wrong they don't know the collard greens from what i understand. That's what ray bradbury's laying down anyway. So she's at the fair because what else has spinster to do on a bright sunny saturday and she's going to the hall of mirrors and the kids are already like this place is shady shady stuff. Go down at seems normal. But we're still apprehensive about the whole thing. And she's like. I'm going to go to the hall of mirrors and they look off to the hall of mirrors and they like this is not right. You shouldn't go in there. There's something malevolent about the hall of mirrors. Can you see it with my hand. Gestures see it and Please go in there. you're ugly. Nobody needs to look at that many mirrors and she's like children. I'll be fine. I used to be the sexiest babe in this town. Which is like an undercurrent plot point. You don't really need paid to but She goes into the hall of mirrors and she comes. She barely makes it out super oriented. It's fucking terrifying thing for her. And they're like well no wonder to look at herself. And all those mirrors and like you fucking asshole. Kids shut the hell up. You don't know what you're talking about like your ten. have you met. Yeah he's got a yeah. We love children. They're adorable malone. They're kind of assholes. Go on they are. But i was trying to venice from being sued from the children's guild of america children guild alone anyway. We're going to skip ahead because it's fucking able does care of mirrors. I get it and what is awesome about current appalled their evil. But like i love it. I love how they're evil because evil can be awesome when it's told well i'm talking about story. Don't do evil shit. Kids be nice to each other. We could all use a little more kindness but are these all of these. Everyone listening to this. My children have adopted them. All go on. So they've done the evil thing in a very very nice way because the carnival is evil in a way that it this supernatural like. I don't know if you've caught onto this. But i'm going to warn you before we start saying okay. I'm getting there. Because they are the autumn people. Oh lord jesus late for this you're gonna love it you're gonna you're gonna fucking hate it. Actually that's one of the things. I wanted to say at the outset of this podcast. Is that librarian. Eight would hate this book. Because the way ray bradbury writes is very descriptive and there are like whole massive paragraphs that are not are necessarily plot relevant man. But he's he's a very like cerebral in your head like he setting the mood and he uses about a million words to describe a very specific kind of feeling. That is hard to describe. You would hate this book like. I know that wholeheartedly. I was reading this and she would hate this. I loved it i. I'm on board your highly to hear me talk about that. You'd hate to actually re exactly. I liked this convinced drunk version. Yes and they're just. They're the autumn people and even have a plaque that says beware the autumn people because they quote from the book they have a plaque at the fair. I bought this from oetzi. Oh i bought this from. I have cloud there was a plaque at the slack on the front. That says beware the people. Don't come in here but also coming here so we can feed off of you. Let's go sounds legit to me. Listen to the people do it. No they're just regular carnival folk to the public but they are the autumn people for them. Autumn is the ever normal season. The only weather there is no choice behind. I might be an autumn person. I did you dig it. I'm getting that vibe. But basically they feed off human misery the more miserable you are the more they glut themselves on your suffering. It's like they love it. You're feeding on the right now. I am why do you think. I'm so animated and you're just like i'm trying. I'm yeah that's what's happening. And so one of the ways they do. This is that they trick. They feed off people. They get people by giving them. They've always wanted. So ms foley the schoolteacher who used to be the town beauty. Who was the absolute babe babe. If she were a president she would be abraham lincoln of the town. She's this old lady. now she's just a schoolteacher. Got any grand fame or anything. Really big she never married. You know what happens to her. She goes into the hall of mirrors and they show her what what she's always wanted to see. It's her young again. she gets her feather boa. she's now a movie star with her sunglasses. Not quite but they give her back. They give her looks and go. Look this was you remember that. Do you remember how good that felt. You remember how bad you feel knowing that you don't look like that anymore. It's me before i had student loans. Yes remember how happy you were. Remember how everything was so much simpler. Remember how things were good delicious scrumptious eating off me right now. Let's see here's the thing. Here's what i really like about the movie versus the book because in the book they pretty much just transport every they have a magic carousel fuck. I've neglected the carousel this whole time. It's time to time traveling. carousel. You ride forwards. You get older. You ride backwards. You get younger simple simple process so you could just like ride forward and tell everything done and you're dead and everything exactly right forward until you turn to dust or you can ride backwards. So you're a baby. And that is how everybody at the carnival stays so young. Maybe it's maybelline. Maybe it's a magic so could go either way But everybody just a child again so they give her like look. You're so beautiful. you're so young. And then they turned her back into a kid whereas no one will believe her. She's telling her story. I must fully. I'm fully into schoolteacher. Please someone help me. Look what they've done and there's like a five year old telling this in your lay shuttle forgot what are you. Don't go find your mom lately me alone but in the movie and i'm going to say i thought this was very sexy of the movie. I really like this. Also side note ray bradbury wrote the screenplay so i always have more appreciation when the actual writer took part in the movie right in the movie they give her her beautiful good luck. She's young again. She's like twenty and got her perfect blond hair and everything and she finally looks the way she's always wanted to look ever since she aged and then she goes blind. I wanted to say was the catch. She goes blind so now. She's always look the way she's wanted to and she can't see it and i'm like oh yes poetic. Cinema the drama of it. All give them what they wanted. Then twisted i'll get a lot. There's just there's more of a like connection for that like you turn them into a kid. Who fucking cares. But i really like that so that happens to like almost everybody in town. So the difference like the cigar store owner the barbershop owner. Everybody who all our character names. But i'm drunk and i'm giving you an abbreviated version. Because that's what you're here for so you could say okay. So in the movie. She was blind. Yes in the book should. They just turned her back to a kid so in the book she was kind of invisible though she her you know she got herself for a few moments and now she's five or so. She got her like young nece bad. Yeah she got her back but exactly and that really is like if we're gonna get to the english teacher part where they tell you. Well it's one of the main themes of the story. It's really about age and ageing and life and death and that whole concept of because the father and the story is really plagued by how old he feels like. He can't connect to his family. He feels like he's out of the loop blah blah blah. That's that also. He works in the library. I should mention that because we're librarians. That sad in aren't we all i think. That's a defining characteristic of the profession. Oh good point that in the book. He's a janitor at the library and in the movie. He just works at the library. Sidebar for a second here if you guys will allow it to skip ahead. Give a shit do what you want. But isn't it interesting. How in movies. There's always like one library and there's only one staff member ever working at a library. Well get libraries are boring and other jewish people. It'll really do anything else. You just read all day. I needed to newspaper from nineteen thousand. Nine let's put it over there. I don't give a shit and whenever reality. You're gonna do this do that in this person. Does it know their email address. And this person can't doctors and lose books but yes that is interesting. I think about that with the page master. Who was that was one of my favorite movies. And you've got christopher lloyd. Who's the only employee at this library. That's like one of the biggest libraries just keeps going yes. There's one man working this library that's it that's all we need. That's fine. who's doing your children's programming. Okay just wondering who is teaching the old people how to do computer stuff. Who's teaching them. There's no such thing as having an exclamation point in your email southbound so okay. We talked about the magic carnival. We talked about the kids. We talked about the concept of aging and death and shit and the blind lady. And there's a witch i'm interested. She's are you in this. I am actually. This is actually my life story when i ran around with a sexy carnival owner new way and it was my youth and i was out there when you were young and i only young and That she is and it's very she's a dust which but as a kid. I remember thinking that. I'm so sorry that she was a sand. Yes how hilarious. The difference between dust and sand. I am in. I am in on the joke. Obviously it's so funny. I thought like honest to god. I thought that's what it said. Remember like it's easier to read it than to hear it because when you hear it you just go fucking sandwich with the hell sand which hocus pocus nonsense. But she's the dust which thanks got it like subway drive-thru on someone occurs difference between sandon dirt. And i'm like yes. I am in on this. It is so funny. Ha ha ha. What a ham sandwich a ham and she does fucking hot air balloon. And she's flying around town trying to find these kids because jim and will are being rabble-rousers. I'm not doing a good job. Hopefully i can edit this down to actually coherency but then we're going to drunk librarians. You get drunk. And i'm telling you about a book and look up wikipedia amazon if you want us to sink review but we bring character in person bringing the personal touch to our review. So she's got a hot air balloon. She's flying around town because and will rabble-rousers causing problems at the carnival like because they stuck around after hours because this was back when carnivals at sundown with the fuck is that about that was that was like a time generational shift that i did not understand. I'm like its dark. All the pretty lights come on. And then you have lights and mosquitoes in front okay. That's primo carnival. Time most of the towns that i grew up in or have lived in. Everything closed. Maverick dark so it's like do. It's eight o'clock wanna go into do just stay at home. We'll tell most work but like when you when the fair comes down usually that's opening night. Oh i did not know this. Have you been to a fair. Oh yes but this is like back a long time ago. When's the last time you've been to long time to take you to a drive to do everything up. so yes. there's a sandwich flying about town trying to find these boys using her mystical powers. And i'm using my hand gestures here to go. Who over my crystal ball. Microphone and in the movie and i'm kind of doing a movie review at the same time so just deal with it in the movie it's traumatizing because during the sequence is one of the worst things i've ever seen on film ever is she brings about a room full of tarantulas for both of the boys. Oh i don't like it you. You can't even possibly imagined there are hundreds of tarantulas crawling all over these kids bedrooms in their beds. It at one point. You see the sheets moving and then he throws off the sheet. It's all these current per tarantulas growling around any. That was funny. But you like attacking me in your hands doing this tarantula and his crew gets what was really horrible and i admire these children's actors who i don't know their names because i've never seen them at anything else ever because most of them were actual tarantulas. Like legit use me. They just like relax. Or let me just empty these cage of tarantulas in robotech ones that they made and there was some fake ones but for the most part like all the tranches on the walls on the ceiling. There's one point that there's a court like the ceiling corner and all these tarantulas are coming. It's fucking traumatizing. I watch as a kid visual. I pull up the movie when we're done you're going to know thank you know. We are not in the book. None of that happens. There's no tarantulas. She does come for them. But it's there are no tarantulas involved. Shooting just hot air balloon flies over there. I'm guessing the movie didn't have the budget for a hot air balloon. So they said you know what will solve this bucking tarantulas robotic tarantulas. Them were real. Get cheaper. Get two tarantulas. That were robots will ever so pam greer's like petting tarantulas and it's gross. But she's looking for the kids and what talked about. I've talked about. The carousel talked about the witch. Haven't talked about mr. Which the sandwich that i get now. Yeah you whitman. now. I haven't talked about mr dark as portrayed by mr mr. Dark is the proprietor this carnival. I wouldn't have guessed of the darks and darkened cougar. Mr cougar is also a proprietor. He gets turned back okay. We're going to back up a little bit. You're going to be very confused by this whole episode. I'm sorry but also. I'm drunk when i am. What do you want for nothing. He rides backwards on the carousel. So what does that mean. He gets older backwards. He gets younger. He turns into a little boy the same age jim and well and he runs off to miss. Foley's house because her nephew is supposed to be coming to town to visit and this little boy appears. Who's actually mr cougar. Evil autumn person owner of the carnival and he is infiltrated her house. And he's trying to get to these boys because these boys have been causing a lot of problems at the carnival they will seen things. They shouldn't have seen they learn things they shouldn't have learned. Oh my god. I left out the the lightning rod man. I've left out so much. This is not a good recording. But i shall persevered nonetheless. Edit something palatable. I don't know where we'd left us before we went to get more winds. So i made a list of things because i feel like i've been very off task and mrs foley would be disappointed in my work ethic right now so lightning a fictional character. Yes okay go on. But i'm i'm being hip. I'm relating it. i'm talking about lightning. Rod salesman shows up at the beginning of the book and he is like your door to door salesman because this was like the thirties and forties. And you know. Serial killers weren't really a thing at that point. They were like you know that was when we still trusted everybody. Like how in the seventies it was like. I trust every monday. And that's one the serial killers would like. Thank you for trusting me. I'm now going to murder you and nowadays. I'm not trusting. You've never met you before. I need to see your social security number and do a background check before. I even like talk to you. I like it go. So this'll back in the olden time for new door salesman's sales salesman. Yes it's salesmen. We get is a plural of that word. And he's he's tom schori. Whatever his name is lightning rod salesman. He's going door to door and he stops by jim and wills house and he's like oh shivering timbers. It's one of these houses draws lightning to it. You're gonna burst up in flames little kids if you don't give me some money for a lightning rod and they're like shit. That sounds bad. Maybe we should get a lightning rod. We're just kids. We don't know dumb fox. So let's get a lightning rod a literal lightning rod. Yes okay no. This is like a physical honest guy lightning rod and so it's not a metaphor. This is a fucking iron piece of iron that you're going to nail to your chimney to divert lightning from burning down the house which she very big problem and anyway. He's a big character lobby. Bosca ahead. Jim gets alighting rocks as houses in danger witch. All right. i'm going to let you on this. His houses the one the lightning rod Protects him from the dust. Which later on. She can't find it z. Yesh so that happens. And then he gets captured by the carnival and they want information out of him in a running backwards and forwards and and forwards on this care sally's last his mind. Cause i would imagine that low. You know so if you go. If you're a baby do you have your memories. i think i don't know about a baby. But mr cougar goes back to being like you. Being ten he remembers. yeah. I get that because he remember. He's like he's living his life and he's like okay. I have this mission to accomplish in the guise of a ten year. Old all that nonsense so anyway. They want information from the lightning rod salesman. He's not giving it up. So they kind of drive him mad and he becomes mr electro part of their freak show Hooked up to an electric chair. Ha ha get it. He's a lightning rod salesman very fitting blah blah blah. Now mister dark. Proprietor of the carnival as well portrayed by jonathan. Pryce is also the illustrated man. He is covered in tattoos and his tattoos. Tell story his tattoos. Are they move. they are almost. they're very. They're often described as almost live. There's this crowd of people on him and at one point. And i don't know if this is the wine talking or like some kind of repressed ooh didn't subconscious didn't realize at the time but like that all of the quote unquote freaks that he's collected over the years which are really pretty much just people from these towns that they've gone to visit our on his skin like they're represented there so there are a part of him. Oh he's taken them. I might be making that up. That could be wine. But i think that happened anyway. He is the runner the carnival. He's the eater of souls that's from it. sorry delicious. Chicken fried steak sold my favorite delicious. He goes around sucking on people's misery. Okay their misery and he's like totally did and it's like they're not like official. I don't think they're out in the yearbook. But like he's kind of totally dating the sandwich like they're like boyfriend girlfriend. Bullshit the sandwich in the tattoo guy. Mr darkened the dust witch again. It on in the circus. Tent is what we're led to believe mocha and for them for them. You know mega work guys. And he is tempting. Jim the young boy. We discussed twenty minutes ago. Because jim very tempted by all this. He wants to be older his whole life. He's wanted to be older. He wants to know the forbidden things he wants to know what goes on in the adult world. He's very curious and he's had a single mom whose dad abandoned them. It's the the thirties and forties. Were not really talking about topics having honest discussions with their kids. And he's just wants more fucking information and no one's going to give it to him but here comes this tall dark stranger going. I can tell you everything you've ever wanted to know. I can show you things you've always wanted to sing. I can give you everything you've ever wanted. He's like tell me more. Tell me more okay. So he's not have stranger danger before just kindly of bullshit kindly old gen come along to tell me about the wonders of the world. Some shady bullshit right there. But he's very tempted by this and will is so afraid that he's going to leave them because there will is very dependent on. Jim and jim is just free. Range gonna get his. He's going to live his life anyway. The carnivals up to shenanigans in the town and charles holloway as the library liaison for this story is doing research our love it. Fuck yeah charles. Get into so charles is doing research and he finds that this carnival has come to town many times before but with big gaps. It came you know sixty years ago and sixty years before that it keeps coming back on a little route and everything he finds writings avenue old newspapers and journal entries. I think fucking new. England this world series and sixty years of sixty or sixty exactly dress army alone but it was just a long period of time. Gone they keep coming back and they keep coming back to feast on everyone and he finds about it and then you get the title of the book. He's reading this injury by the breaking of my thumbs. Something wicked sway comes and the carnival that something wicked. It's come back at once it wants. Its feast it's ready to feed again. It wants more of mankind suffering. So how do you defeat a monster like that. Who wants nothing more than you're suffering. Holy water wrong. Try again More evil all the complete opposite. Good joy how do you defeat something that feeds on suffering joy laughter. Charles i did not know of these things well back before the student loans came in you. Once felt joy probably. Yes maybe chuckled. Things benet remember and that is literally he kills the dust witch by carving his smile onto like they're doing like the fake bullet trick where he likes. Shoot a gun. But it's a. It's a fake bullet and whatever are fakes. Mike carves his own smile into it. The joker killed. That's exactly what it is but it's it's that joy that smile like he in it's really. It is beautiful if drunk was not telling the story because he's come to terms with. Yeah i'm fucking. I'm going to die soon. That's how life works bitch. What do you want me to do about it. I've got a good thirty years left. I'm going to have an fucking great time deal with it bitch and sandwich fucking dies right in there like you more self acceptance like look life is fucking shit hole but all you can do is make the best of it that thank you thank you all you can do is make the best of it and live your own life with your own joy and create your joy because life is a fucking nightmare but you know we have diet coke and wine and fund. Tv shows and we make our own joy. We have that power we do and without power we can fight against evil and really it is a nice message inside this uplifting kind of thing i like this let it get you down now because that's how it wins. You let it get you down. It's one good job. You fucked yourself over good job. I really like where this went. Don't expect it. You don't have that. I i was like i don't like this at all and would not like to read the book. I will show you the movie sometime you might enjoy. You would not like the. But i did enjoy this especially the end. Yeah it is uplifting in. You're getting old and you gotta accept it and that's part of life and you you can let it taint your everyday life and go. Wow this stop stop off. I don't know if you guys know this but my podcast host was like a five year old. And if you're not careful about your word choice you said tens. I'm all right. It's a real word real word anyway. That's pretty much i'm done. I'm going to edit this. And hopefully it won't be like this long is my hope. And it's full disclosure. This is not an adequate description of the book. I really do recommend this book. I really liked it. I think it's a very good book. I will read it again. It's a great thing to get you in like. We're coming up on october and the fall and it's a great thing to get you in the mood for that. I do also highly recommend the movie. I mean it's like a cheesy eighty s disney movie. But it's very fun in that way highly. Recommend it you ever want to talk about it. Hit us up on twitter at drunk lead. 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206: Penny Incompatible by Errick Nunnally

NIGHTLIGHT: A Horror Fiction Podcast

1:08:35 hr | 2 years ago

206: Penny Incompatible by Errick Nunnally

"Thanks. Hi, I'm Tanya Thompson creator and executive producer of night. Light a horror podcast, featuring creepy tales from black writers all over the world this week. We have a story from, Eric Nunnelee. It reminds me a little bit of Edgar Allan Poe's, tale hill, heart, but such a unique take that it's almost completely different. I also interviewed Eric so make sure you stay tuned after the story. He was a great conversationalist, and I can't wait to have him on future episodes. Before we get started, though, I want to thank our newest patron Christopher and I'd also like to thank Georgia MacKenzie who was our narrator for the last two episodes of the Percival's who donated both of her fees for both episodes to the podcast. So I wanted to thank her so so much for that. I really appreciate that Georgia. So sit back turn out the lights and enjoy penny incompatible by Eric Nunnelee. Penny stepped off the bus onto a street as familiar as her own two feet. Sheet lead the concrete and ask for carrying thick sent of innocent a heady mix things. Discard. As a child. She found many carcass while playing in a band, and lots or unkempt backyards, she imagined that the summer, smell was all the dead creatures baking, in the sun and felt shamed. It was the first time such a dark thought pass through remind. What would her mother think or past Matthews for that matter, much later? She learned that it was the stench of dogs, not walked animals, leash to small plot of land for the entirety of their lives. It was the smell that tingled in her nose when the bus transitioned from north to south in the city smelled like home in spite of the years and cosmetic changes spirit of the neighborhood in doer. A possession that began in the nineteen seventies and continue to drive roots deeper every day game as ever a circle of wayward boys held court in the light of a twenty four hour store. She watched one of them for half a container of juice into the gutter before turning his back to top it off something else. There was a time she would have marched right up to the young man called out his baby decades before her time adults called the buses the jungle line. A reference, she didn't understand the neighborhood was a mix of triple double Deckers yards. Sibol ARC's schools churches, going to stores and not much else to her young mind. This part of the city barely three stories high. Hardly seemed like jungle now she understood the bitter shame recognize that the area had settled well into its defined role. The square's location served as a hard stop between two. Boston's most Ikot neighborhoods. She remembered that the Jews had lived here before the blacks arrived all the triple Deckers had a little masseuses nailed to each doorway, all since removed and defy her older brother had removed the last one in their childhood home exclaiming when he did there's a paper inside with secret words, then he rushed to comb, the house for more finding nothing but the shadows as the neighborhoods suffered the red lining, pivot. So went the remnants of one abused culture, moving a few rungs above another on television, and in movies. The death of childhood was often depicted as the burden of heartbreaking responsibility. Penny understood that for the first time in came clear that she played on the team that carried the impossible for Jilani of America's ruling class aching for the weekend when she could cross the square and take a long. Walk along river street to the park. She headed the opposite direction of the hill along the way she contained to think that maybe putting your bare feet in the sprinklers, and sitting for a while was a very good idea. The few blocks to the farmers warehouse, Madame pens, perennial market or blessedly empty the market sat right off the square. Everyone's kidded worked at the store. Bagging, groceries or stock, in the shelves working register even her son had worked there in his early teens years ago when he was still fresh, and sweet a small chain bought the store out. But they hadn't changed the original name in her mind or the smell because nothing really changed any more not sense acclimation to the passage of the Civil Rights Act, new buses repainted trolleys different name on a door. The same harden, heart still pump the soul of its people through the neighborhood and sometimes spilled their blood into the street. She stopped at the market. Once every week after her shift. It was easier in the mornings just before the commuter, our when the responsible among them took the bus and trolley to downtown jobs. The people who are around, however, the ones who floated around the edges of society. They retreated only when the son was at its highest peak, and even then not too far into the shadows and obese Haitian woman blocked her way into the store. She chatted with a friend several feet away. They spoke in the rapid fire pets wag gutted from French by way of the care being slave trade penny didn't understand a word. It was nothing like the fluid and melodic French sheet experienced in school heard and movies. This version had the hard edge of raw history, carved and every syllable, every phrase both women laugh, harshly. Oblivious, dependents presence excuse me. She said. The woman looked at her. I just she waved, a hand toward the store's entrance. Shoulders hunched. Okay. Fine. Fine said the woman in heavily accented English. She waved to her friend tossed a few more incomprehensible words into the air laughed again, in ambled, slowly through the entrance penny followed teeth grind. She recalled when Kirby had come mostly Haitians they brought their habits and their loud chopping language Smith. Sweat of the food music their brand violence, any enjoyed curry sometimes, but the rest remained beyond her path. The grocery store, had adjusted to the exploding population stocking fruits and vegetables. She didn't recognize and cuts of meat that junk in her experience, but even the new blood couldn't change the smell market, as if something had died in its walls and kept dying the year after year impervious to the efforts of resuscitation. It didn't bother me not like it. Did when she was young girl proof that you could get you Sani thing given enough time. It took less than an hour to collect her groceries pay in return to the parking lot with her two sacks of food. There were two gypsy cabs. They're both drivers. She knew dark-skinned men had grown up in the neighborhood say, miss her. This was a ritual. She'd been following for years. The morning Jim the men answered together a vocal mix of morning miss loops. How you bid just fine. Eugene who's been while maybe by seven months, I guess been on. Contract job now back on the hustle allow ride. I guess you're up next time Carl Carl nodded and touched his baseball cap already focus on the next person coming out of the store, penny slid her ample backside into the back seat while Eugene held the door. He clambered into the driver's seat with grunting asked over his shoulder Romeo address game is loose. She smiled as she dug her wallet out of her person told him Eugene remained good, man and worked hard to support his family by any means. She'd missed him a bright and steady spot in the tedious week. It was a short ride, necessitated only because of the grocery bags. She fished for five dollar Bill in the clutter of her. Wallet houses sunny, ause MS moose. You gotta son, right? I remember you told me was having problems ways back. She froze, the chill of past draining flowing into her stomach down her back and legs right under her fingers. She head. Eld an odd memento barons driver's lessons. It was a decent photo of her son and the license itself served as a reminder that he had a good heart once upon a time that he checked off organ donor and meant he passed away, hugiene. She swallowed holding her voice even in tight. Brad about the time. You started that contract job, his father doesn't even know. Oh, oh, MS loose. Oh, sorry. I wouldn't've asked. But it's okay Eugene, it's not okay. You didn't know any better. How are you? Remind me. Okay. Okay. Ms loose. I'm sorry. You have my condolences. I'm so sorry. That's a terrible thing to hear. Thank you, gene. It's a terrible thing to live. They passed the next several minutes in silence. Penny was grateful that you gene helped bring her groceries up the steep bricks of the porch stairs. As she tipped him dollar Bill on top of the five the tedium of putting the goods away, were not a fit distraction for her melancholy. However, and she now sat at her small kitchen table out of habit, a half inch pile of unopened bills awaited neatly stacked on the counter, all of the services in the small kitchen were clean and orderly the entire house. In fact, was well, kept being the only occupant made it easy to keep up with the home shared a wall with MRs Lohman next door. Her husband Fred loved his drink in considering his pallor, and incontinence penny suspected, he wasn't long for this world. Fred favored, the bottle over much else, but his wife and his home in spite of that he earned steady, disability and social security, money, Fran loved him. And he loved her bag that was good enough for pin. Why were the men who'd been pennies worth? So different liquor had a contrasting affect on her ex husband brought out someone she hadn't. Someone who was spike petty who didn't seem to love her like the entertaining fellows. She married, the man, she'd had a son win and bear. She knew it was possible. For mother to look at her own son and see a stranger a man who's visitations brought misery, not joy. She wondered if knowing the relationship between love and hate so intimately had any value from under the sink penny extracted to items kept in a warn, paper, bag and place them on the table, one, a nip of Beefeater, gin her ex husband's favor to a small plastic bag folded to form square with dusty remnants inside her sons together, these two things destroyed her family. She took some time to organize and Reagan them to try to understand what the purpose was or had been her tongue found the sharp edge, where tooth had been splintered in struggle. John son. She placed things back into the bay rolled it up and paused and tucking the package into its home under the sink. Her his attention gave her. Some hope a moment were letting go of these remnants might be the pattern lease instead of the garbage. She finished putting in back onto the pipes behind worn plastic basket of cleaning goods, everything happens for reason. Right. She thought herself. Pennies is wandered the kitchen and dragged with stop on the fridge padlock was undone as it had been for the last several months, it, dangled useless. How long had it been since the funeral not even a year? She needed to get around to taking all of that hardware off to putting close to that chapter of her life, normal people didn't need to lock up their food, maybe next weekend. She'd go shopping replace. Some of the furniture that had been stolen sacrificed to her son's addiction. Get a few plans to add some life back to the house. She could see living room from where she sat, the cable, wires sticking out of the floor with the television used to be she hadn't been able to watch her soaps for some time and was having difficulty. Finding the desire Fran kept her up to date on the stories. However, in penny enjoyed the company, the visits hearken back to better times she side and put the items away to get ready for bed. It had taken several months to acclimate sleeping during the day, and she knew it was critical to maintain a ritual in order for sleep to come. She ate a snack and moved up stairs where she bay brushed and read us. Years ago. The addition of sun blocking blinds made the final transition to the nightshift possible that and the central air, the AC unit bolted into the wall had been a prudent investment. Silence darkness, the white noise of conditioned air it all played a role in, in her to sleep. But this morning it seemed to take longer than expected. As she entered the twilight zone of subconscious thought the moment when one feels they're floating at peace with the world as their limbs become boy. There came a rap at the door. She snapped awaken listened waiting. Penny thought it might have been a bird or squirrel making its way. Then the knock again, a familiar pattern, a kind of riff on shave and a haircut. The knock her son, had always used like a pass code on her door until he had stopped bothering to knock the bedroom faced the back yard, one of the reasons penny like the home. It helped keep peace in what was too often rowdy neighborhood. She couldn't see out front, the vertical window in the stairwell face the side of the house in featured opiate colored pains. She snapped her covers back shoved her feet to slippers and paused something was urging caution a six cents whistled warnings from somewhere far away. She opened the nightstand drawer and reached all the way to the back behind the flap award. Her hand touched cool none, the revolver. Her ex husband had left behind his last attempt concern before leaving she'd never fired didn't even know what caliber, but she knew which said the problems holding. The smooth would have the grip made her feel stronger than she was any shuffled out of the bedroom and down the stairs. Pistol held low at our side as if she were in danger of being seen with at the door. She left the security brace in place and flip the cover on the people out of the way. No one. She's shifted her attention to the window. Checking the blinds I to be sure they offered no view from the outside to inside before parting them. She thought she saw glimpse of retreating figure. There's no one here, pennies mind ground out any dark thoughts, and she concluded a must've dream after checking all the shades and locks. She stopped and stared at the pistol in her hand feeling foolish. She took it back upstairs in jammed it back into the drawer of the nightstand. It took another hour or so before she drifted off to sleep penny dreams of her son when he was five or six the last few years when a child still loves with ferocity before the cynicisms of life began to chip away. That sure he sees that she said and wants to comfort her in the awkward way that children. Do having only been comforted all their lives and never much needing to reciprocate. He picks it his chest. She can see as zipper. They're right down the middle a little boy with zipper in the center of. His chest. She thinks aghast, my boy my sweet little boy. How strange he grasps the slide and begins to tug. She reaches for him frayed of what happens next if he manages to undo himself, she can't reach the air is like mud. It pulls at her drags on her limbs the sound of teeth sliding through the catcher loud becoming louder Clack Clack, the interlocking strips rumble like gears and a giant clock. She reaches and he unzips until his nothing but read a ragged hole in his skinny chest. Her baby's chest. He's empty. No one should be empty as father is there at a distance just out of reach always gone. Never at hand he holds plastic white chest with a red tongue. She sees a red medical cross on the front, and he tries to say something, but no sound comes out. She still reaching for her boy? At the beginning of her shift the next evening, penny could still hear the super. It was an added drag to the night, while caring for the less savory needs of patients in rehab. They existed in half life between hospital and home too ill to be on their own and not incapacitated enough to remain at the hospital. Some of them had colostomy systems or oxygen tanks. They needed assistance, using toilet. They're soiled sheets needed to be changed. They needed to be bathed in their medicines deliver. There were three other women on our team and the should've been six they were supposed to be thankful that budget shortfalls hadn't affected. There are ready low pay, but what they were was numb penny could no longer easily count the years she'd worked as a nurse. Assistant bills never wanna win. When we people did them as she put the finishing touches to a set of linens was a commotion of the front desk. The sound of raised voices, her first instinct was to focus on her job, but the appropriate. Personnel handle the irate, wishing voice is that of young man, not the sickly. She strained her whites. Poked her head into the hallway and he could just make out the back of the intruder. His curly, Brown hair touching the collar of his gray jacket, surely, the receptionist was at least two decades younger than penny and Haitian in pennies experienced the younger ones were easier to deal with. She repeated herself in a firmer tone. So do not allow unannounced. Visit you can leave a message if you like what you need to leave. I need to speak with her. Unit to stop shouting like that. And you need to leave any new that tone, Shirley had already called security, most likely it would take a minute for Dennis to get here. If he were on the other side of the grounds, but he'd comet full speedy. Bring the hammer. Dan? Dennis was a large man past his prime. But imposing, and he took his job. Seriously, the young fellow Kirsten slammed, his hands and dusk when he turn his back faced penny. Then she caught a glimpse of his profile as he stormed into the stairwell. He was white with the shadow stubble, his cheeks, and chin. She stepped into the hallway stride and quickly towards the desk the elevator doors opened Dennis stepped out. His bald head gleaming in harsh light. He wore a crisp white shirt with the badge above the chest pocket in a radio clipped to an epileptic miss, Shirley, you. Okay. I'm finding us he went down this, this white guy, Brown curly haired, grey jacket jeans, neither shame Dennis. Nodded Curtly took pursuit, slamming the door to the stairs, open and talking into his radio. My god. Surely, I heard that man yelling down the hall at first, I thought he was a patient. Penny said. Molina joined them from the opposite. Hallway carrying a sack of trays what is going on down here. Was that a patient? She had a thick Dominican XM, squat strong willed. She made it. Good nurse. Penny pointed at the door to the stairs. There was a young man shouting, Shirley, he ran down the stairs. Molina looked at Shirley and asked are you. Okay. Shirley, I'm fine pris- the Lord for that. She crossed herself in these people around here ain't that the truth penny turned to the reception. When did he want, Shirley? Well, Molina litt-. Oh, no gleese got dummy. He was not a pervert. And he turned wide is raised eyebrows to Molina before leaning forward on the desk. Was he trying to get dirty with good Lord? No, he was just he was asking. What is it, surely, what did he want any asked? Come on shirt, spill girl. Molina said in a flat tone. Well, it's not a what? It was a whole. He was asking for you. Lena's mouth formed in oh in her eyebrows. Tried to escape into our hairline was that white boy any. And he didn't hear her colleague she retreated into her memories from yesterday. The restless sleep, the nightmare, the knock on the door that she'd chalked up to imagine Asian, she felt an urgent need to lock the doors to huddle behind the desk, who was the smell. How had he found her? She began to shiver not hearing her colleagues asking if she were. All right. Spell brooklyn. Mr. should step down the elevator. I just heard from Dennis everyone. All right. Everyone looked at penny. Should aim seem lost for few moments until he focused on her. Henny Shirley, piped up deadman was here asking for penny. Oh, dear. Benny? I'm fine. Her own voice sounded muffled and distant to her. She repeated herself willing strength into the words in meeting retains is I'm fine. Are you sure any slipped into habit? But one hand on her hip and narrowed her is she didn't need the help of this man. He may not have been the source of any of her woes past or present, but he represented the thorn in their collective sides because he was management that he was wide only exacerbated feeling fine. Fine. He threw his hands up. That's all get back to it. Then the brief incident put a Mark on shift already. She was behind schedule. There were many more tasks to attend to enough misery fuel rest of the night with little over an hour left in her ship. She had two important chores, one was to ensure that miscellany had taken his men's. He was a tall pale man. The sheen of Jon Stewart light skin, Mr. linen. Mr. linen, sir. I have you medication here. Mizulina. She touched his shoulder gently, and there was no response, his chest moved up and down. So that was good. Sign has mouth slurped open. He began to snow Mr. noon. She gave him a firmer shake in his eyes snapped open. He stared at the ceiling pupils wide in the low light as his yellow is swim. Slowly Twitter four moment. It seemed as if she'd woken Damon, but where he looked through her like she wasn't real or entirely there. There was nothing in his eyes. No, fear, just an emptiness if there were any emotions there. They were all projected through penny. A sense that she was immaterial, but ghost crept up from her house and filled. Her breast dread flowed from what appeared to be the waking the feeling passed as quickly as it came the speech, slurred and vibrated with age an attempted firmness. Who are you would? Do you all? I'm penny. Misery, one of the nurses here. We met yesterday. You've been here for two days, and it's time to take your medication. He growled response dragging out the sound from the back of his throat contempt depending wheeled his table into place, but the medication on it, and poured him a small Cup of water. I need you to take this before I can leave for the night. She stood her ground. There were thousands of Mr. linens. Most of them, black men, and penny had met them all his alcoholism had led to a malfunction of his liver, which led to a build up of pneumonia, his blood, and it had begun -ffected his brain. It was the kind of precipitating turn of events that might lead someone's make a correction in their life. It was certainly embarrassing enough to have been elucidating in front of one's home so badly the neighbors police she shook her head a slight motion, only to herself and clamped her lips shut, there would be nothing gained by commenting the situation, he grumbled in history and will slowly lever himself up. Lou. Sure. Merican. No seems like a mini got these jobs. No saying penny waited while he swallowed the pins water. Dribbled down his chin happy, he snarled the less swallow ecstatic. She cleared the table who say goodnight, Mr. linen. They no such thing here, y'all. Keep wake me up. He turned on the light and reached for an aging paperback in his glasses on the nightstand. Henny tried deep breaths to relieve the education from her body tension pulled her back and legs she dropped the paper trash into a pale and slammed her hand into the sanitizer. Dispenser on the wall, outside one more task, and it will be time to clock out, MRs Blackthorn needed her bag changed routine stuff snap off empty cleanup, replace penny entered the darkened room pulled the curtain when she flicked on the light, MRs Blackthorn lurched in her bed. Oh, I'm so sorry. Mrs Blackthorn I didn't mean to startle you, I need to change your bag. Big help her eyes will while she struggled to sit up her bony fingers trend. I need to go to the toilet. Can it wait a moment? We need to Anita go now. Mrs Blackthorn pleased sit back. I have to change that bag. Mrs Blackthorn lurched up in her bags swung from beneath the Johnny. She war. It looked like a gigantic swollen tick with its head buried in her side penny. Felton edge of panic, Quin hell, it had been changed last the old woman, convulsed in penny, cursed herself, or not recognizing the signs. She lunged for bedpan as MRs black thorn, vomited a surge of green with pink and orange bids bubbled out of the patient's mouth down the front of her Johnny a hot glob the expulsion splashed on pennies hand, but she managed to catch the rest in the pen. She placed the reassuring clean hand on the woman's back as the patient gasped and heaved for air, that was when the colostomy bag burst and its contents splashed over the side of the bed onto her legs and feet. The smell alone was an eye watering assault impossible to ignore the warm Serb e-content were worse. Liquefied shit spattered all over her pant legs and filled her shoes penny. Choked back. Revulsion and went to work, even after a committed rinse in the deep sink. She still commute home shoes that wreaked and squelched with every step as the sun rose, she stood in the shower waiting for the hot water to run out. Penny had bagged and dispose of the soil, shoes and pants as soon as she got home never wanting to see them again. She swallowed her anger, again vowing to address the issue in his calm. A manner as possible of whomever had failed to change that poor woman's bag later. It was a later thing right now. She needed to let it go, and relax if she didn't that be screaming, emotions flunk the walls and into the empty house. And Fran might hear become worry her back and feet ached hurt to blink penny need sleep to come without hesitation to clear, the nights experiences away, her exhaustion wail that it didn't matter that it was temporary another night would come another. Shift in bed, she stared at the ceiling and the air conditioner in the background, and he couldn't sleep conditions. Everything was in its place in the neighborhood was silent still stared at the swirls of stucco on the ceiling waiting. It was the same pattern is the one who son had. Penny felt cold. Creeping numbness in her legs to the top of her head. It could be knock again. Befo urgent. She pushed the covers back in shelter feet into slippers before pulling a housecoat on over Nike, the air Adna, the'real quality and her mouth felt dry tasteless, nothing felt right? And she reached for reassurance. The weight of the pistol polled on her palm moment, penny, thought, she understood why so many young men insisted on carrying one, the heft of it was an unspoken promise. The carpeted stairs stretched beneath feet sunlight splashing all the colors from the window. She crept down the stairs until she could see down the hall to the front door. This time there was a shadow someone waited a few more steps. And she was in front of the table. Only a few feet to the door. She eased her way to the door. Resisting any sort of confrontation when penny ease the people cover back at creaked at the last. A trail are you, there is it you need to talk to you. Penny pressed her eye to the whole. It was the young man from the hospital. He was fish belly pale red rimmed, his eyes and lips. The tips of his ears. The Brown curls that looked attractive at a distance where dry and Juan too long for his face unkempt, he glistened in the reflected sunlight. A sheen of sweat covered his face and neck interrupted only by the hair on his face. His eyes wouldn't focus. They darted from side to side with minute movements. She backed away from the door unable to reconcile who should expect to see. And the person who was there twisting tension in her chest wouldn't let up as penny struggled to find a voice gasping out at the last who are you, what do you want a have a need to speak to you need to know? What's happening with what she heard the tension in her own voice, and tried to dial it down on why me, she watched as he clutched the sides of his head and took a deep breath. Then he looked into the people are you? Watching me, can you see he spoke through clenched teeth penny? Financer put her for head on the door and just watch the man unbutton the top of his shirt, she could see the beginnings of a scar as he unbuttoned. More of it could be seen puckered and freshly healed the scar of a heart surgery. Fear thumped, in her ears the entanglement of terror in love tore through her chest. The foulest struggle he was on her boy was gone. And she was relieved that his suffering had ended that his body at least had done some good at the last had given someone else life, relieved M I relieved. Is that what I feel because his suffering ended or mine, her tongue found the chip tooth again, a sharp reminder of times that should have been well past? They cut me. They cut me from my neck to naval, and they put it in it burns, I can feel. I can feel a poll. I don't understand. I need to understand I need. Penny gave into frustration. You need. What, what do you want from me? I gave up my feelings. I expected to die now. I have this heart. It was supposed to be a second chance. But it hurts every beat I can hear it, feel it his face compressed in pain, and he ground his fingers into his chest before cupping his ears and pushing his hands roughly through his hair. She almost dropped the gun then almost hit herself in the face with it as she recoiled Bresser, and sewer mouth and stifle the cry, she couldn't see him now only hear him his name. His name was something with the b right Brian, or berry or something. And he needed you for something needed something from you to fix for you to fix fix it. It's all the here. Please penny watched her left hand float up to the security bar and push it out of the way this can't be can't be. She. Saw her fingers undo the first bolt and the second her right hand dangled by her side keeping the gun slightly behind her leg. His ten my son is Ted. He's gone Baroness gone. He did some good any end he gave his healthy heart, and it was his final act. He can't be here. He can't her fingers closed around the knob and twisted until the door swung open. And she could see him through the screen see his eyes pleading, and she could smell him. The scent of her boy in his last days, so notable the stink of addiction of self neglect, but still her son, you, he touched a finger to the corner of his mouth, a move so familiar so ingrained in her memory that she knew what came next, he rubbed, his ear, lobe reflexive in grain, since childhood a gesture. She'd seen her son do countless times while growing up. She could see him push aside commonsense and basic human love stealing himself to give into compulsion and. Dating posture desperation primal needs taking over, you have the things I need, you can help me, give them to me, you can make it stop. You need to save me, give me what I need. He grabbed the handle on the screen door and gave it a violent poll. It would no pin. She'd locked it. Of course. Old habits died the hardest, the visitor pushed hard on the screen in the metal threads popped out of the frame, her throat constricted in her voice could barely be heard over the rattling door penny sounded as if she were being strangled. She felt as if familiar hands held her neck. Again, anger colored her words, desperation flowed? Here's shouldn't be here not anymore. Not again, then a rabid thought Lance through her mind driving, her body, this chance to end it all for good. Words weren't going to fix this? It was never. Going to end until one of them was dead. She shot him through the screen door. The explosion slammed in her ears loud and sharp, like a hammer to a marble table. The strangers is widened and shock and read blossomed on his chest. She pulled the trigger again, and again, each recoils sent a tremor of her wrist, but she was too numb to feel it. Penny emptied the weapon into the befouled organ his chest, as he toppled backward, down the stairs, tumbling to a rag doll heap on the cracked concrete below. Her thoughts died into a flat and sign wave. The neighborhood remains silent, too quiet as she shut the door and said all the locks back in place. Someone else could make a necessary phone calls. She was too tired. The gun. She shoved back into the drawer after the long walk back to her bed. She wanted to cry knew it was the logical thing to do, but she had nothing left. So time. Penny. Just wanted to get some sleep to rest before her next shift. Everything kept coming back around around. It never ended. It was important to be ready for tomorrow. And it was so quiet, so peaceful, she fell asleep before the covers reached her chin. Hello. We are here today with Erik Nunnelee author of penny incompatible. How are you today? Eric of doing. You. I'm doing fantastic. So can you tell us a little bit about yourself as a writer, first of all, like when did you get started writing and what made you wanna write horror? I so I think like most people who write to pretty much been doing it, most of their lives. And I had I just hadn't gotten very much encouragement from teachers or, you know, even knowing any people who did such things in the neighborhood, and I read a lot, but it was, it was sort of a, a reading desert, where I grew up, and, you know, you learn more about stories and other million stuff, when you when you're certainly friends kind of sharing these things or your social circles. I really get any of that. And I just kind of drifted away from it, even though I, I loved comic books and I loved storytelling crafting stories and stuff. And so rather than sort of pursuing that I ended up going into the military in them when I went to college, I ended up studied graphic design and it wasn't until much later that I started writing yet I started to meet a lot of people that do it, and as for writing horror, I, it's, it's hard for me to even think that I that I like someone who writes outright horror explicitly. I probably right. Horrid less than anything else. Most of the people, I know love writing har- and. Surprisingly, most horrors are one of the kindest group of authors among John RAs, but I really enjoyed speculative fiction science fiction. I grew up on science fiction fantasy graduated to some harsh stuff, or mix of he, I kinda wanna go back to what you said, free minute about a reading desert that something that I experienced as well listeners will, maybe remember how I've talked about how I in a community that band up unto, including the tequila Mockingbird. Really? Yeah. Joined that club like off-hind stuff. And we had to read the bible for one of our English. No nothing nocco by. Right. But, but yeah. I mean, it's you're banning things for violence and sexual content by Wednesday. So so, you know, I grew up in a community where our school library was, you know, if it wasn't super clean squeaky, and it wasn't included, you know, there's very little horror. The only way I read horror was by going to WalMart and buying Christopher pike books. So a lot of Christopher bike, and ARL Stein, they carried RL Stein time. So that was the only way that I got my introduction to whore in the classroom and in libraries in it school. So it was it, you know, it was it was a challenging for me. At first, you a lot of people even now we will ask me, you know, have you read such and such, you know, some famous horror, classic or something like turn of the screw, and I'm like, no. I haven't. I had a soda a not certain not for the same reasons. But the same sort of thing happened, where. I was I would go into like a Barnes and noble or something. And just choose something like without any recommendations or anything like that. And at the time that I went to high college things like comics and Saifi stuff was still people still kind of look down their nose at it, at least professors did. That was the stuff I was most into. So I was getting most of that from television in movies. Yes, equal would watch TV movies. We talked about that have a good time with that. But it took me a while to realize that all of the stuff was coming from books. Yeah. So many movies that I joined were books before they removes and nowadays, I meet so many people who've remember reading those at the time they came out about the movie that my life we had, we had a really small library. I remember reading read love Ray Bradbury. Is a gas. I, I remember being really struck by the illustrated man by, by Bredbury, and that really convince me that I was really into the stuff. Actually, I took one of those books and I never return. How dare you is still bang no-one else? Chatting about fair not fair still banging around in, in box somewhere library doesn't exist anymore. Sykes yet. I can't. Oh, you can't make it right. Okay. For, for those of you who don't know I have a degree in library ship. So I'm a big fan of libraries when people don't return their books getting. But I'll I'll give you a pass. I'll for you, because your story is so great. It was like years ago. Fair enough. I guess. For me. You know what you were saying about, you know, getting your introduction through movies and such for me. I didn't even know Omer speaking specifically about horror and SCI fi. I didn't know of any black horror or SCI fi writers at all until I was like, in my twenties, maybe in my thirties. I just I didn't I didn't have access to that. And all of all my background was watching, like tells from the hood and Candyman and things like that. So I knew about like the movie side of things, but as far as writers, I found myself constantly disappointed by a lot of what I read husband. Okay. Well, yeah. This is this is fine. I guess, but, you know, be really great if the person details from the hood, like wrote a book. Yeah. Yeah, there wasn't very much at all getting all from at the time and you're getting off media. It was very singular very male, very white male. Rarely see anything that seemed familiar with with your own experience, and that goes for a lot of different ethnicities lot of different types of people, and it's, it's stunning now to see so much of it with the rise of all these different to content streaming services in all the different avenues. For more Representative fiction, I just watched CU yesterday on Netflix. Oh, I haven't seen that yet is a good great really, really great. Yeah. I loved that it was that it was a short film, and that it was picked up by spike Lee's production company, and then remade into into this. I thought it was really entertaining. And in the ending the ending was perfect. I don't wanna talk too much about that. I think is really great. I'm gonna have to check it out and listeners you should check that out too. On Netflix, right? Yes. See yesterday. Yes. So let's talk about Octavia Butler because in every single interview of ever done. She's just come up randomly, and I feel like I should just bring be proactive and bring her up early on. When, when did you discover Octavius work late? Relate, I try to remember which of books that I read firsts, but I do remember when I first met my wife before we were married she had read some books. Well before I did. And which one was it? The payroll of the sewer fledgling was the other one. That's usually a first stop. Was the shoot over the name one is a series about aliens, who come to earth interbreeding humans designer Genesis, Jeremy. Yeah. Okay. I had Wikipedia to the rescue. I have read that when yet but again, you know, more on the horse out of things. Yeah. So I read that and then kindred, of course. I can't read, then I read parable of the sower which, you know, I'm really done for the, the whole superpowers angle. But yeah, that was a I think I hit any other thing too. I was when I was reading these things before, since it was not to talk to them. Back. I had no idea whether the person why male female or anything, you know, I think that's the case with a lot of authors that aren't white and male is their photos, do not appear in the back of or at least historically. I think that's that's certainly changing now. But, you know, there were a lot of people that I read like, oh, this is a woman that wrote this, 'cause they wrote by their initials. Right instead of their names. So for me, I came talk dania late as well. You know, I just ask somebody when I was like I wanna read some more black horror and have you read tell Butler, and I'm like who in there, like, oh my God. You go bad. I'm no I'm from a closet community sex. Yeah. They never had fledgling their book show anywhere in any in the stores, either. So, yes, so, yeah, I get I get coming to. But that was sort of an awakening for me. And I'm wondering if you kinda had the same experience finally reading, something that was more from your community. You don't by then it was it was up lifting. But it was weird. Yeah. Let's read enough science fiction. I think what it was about. It was it was first time it was first time. I rich stories that really pushed that aspect or because a lot of science fiction buyers, look at the future as like everyone's going to be there. Right is gonna be more of a blend of humanity. You're just gonna have to expect brow skin. And it'll get mentioned is not it's in no way, cultural driver of the story. This first time I read it where the identity of these. Characters Saint familiar to me as postage is something far flung, future, where well, of course, now there's just gonna be rowdy by night. So let's move on to talking about your story. Penny incompatible. I'm curious to know what was your inspiration for that story. All kinds of bad things. Excellent. Well, this particular story for this type of story, I only written a few, and there's a couple of things that inspired it one of them was might desire to, to get into lamplight to get something in. Lamplight mags. And it's not. But tightened writing that counts Nash routes, but I do enjoy reading these types of things. And I guess what I wanted to see was exactly what just more familiar stuff in there. But when I think of horrific things usually think history, whatever it is that people come up with the scarier disturbing as it isn't just doesn't. History is the most terrifying thing. True. And I started to, you know, I done this a few times, right set thinks the neighborhood, I grew up. So the, the neighborhood that pays in is, is the one that I wrote in and all of those frictions of very personal might very, very much experienced that place once I was old enough. You know, when your kid everything is all unicorns cupcakes, if you know if you got these parents and the character herself like all the situations that are things that I'm just wondering it with the character selves, might an amalgamation of all of my us who you know, people tend to forget, like how close, we are to pre treat civil rights era. You know, only a few ration- moved from from slavery and things like that. And so my aunts my parents grandparents options, at least in, in that quarter Boston options for for living of life with career were kind of limited. So I thought it was odd that all the women in my life, were either nurses, or teachers, right? Any preschooler daycare, Ray schoolteachers at nursing either nursing hospital each shits, late shifts doing it at a m like penny, does that also a rehab facility, and the way that they sort of lived and some stories they told. And I know some nurses now. So you I'm kinda type people things happy. Cast years thing you've ever elder, the story is the story is self is fictional, sort of cobbled together from a lot of non fiction, right? And I think the best stories, you know, are mostly nonfiction to steal imagined events, right? Right in a world that could happen. Yeah. I think so. I also remember very acutely when so that the neighborhood I grew up in Boston, it's called Madam. So the southernmost tip of the city in it's like ninety eight percent black and in the early eighties, a lot of Caribbeans Africans change in the neighborhood. So I was in my early teens. I remember this transition and seeing my color ISM and cultural, bigotry and stuff is what you make ends Reuven Asians. Kenyans unions, kind people at Combe moved into the neighbor, Haitians, such cetera and is just to contrast. Between now let's see room. Thirty forty years later, from when they arrived in, how integrated is mile at how much more part of the fabric of neighborhood is terms of these folks, Nang they open restaurants. They brought their culture and now they're kids have brought up with all of the other kids, and it's just one day just one big pot of black folk now but I wanted to show some of that at the time it was a little bit as it was sort of the sound. It was tension between those groups raise the name. And the folks who'd been there. So we met originally at boss gone. Speaking of being from Boston, which is a sci-fi fantasy convention. There's there to always, always we're always there we infiltrate in one of the things that I loved about meeting, you is that you are such an enthusiastic Hurson like. Like every time I would see you would just like brightened my day like you guys erica's such a great energy as you can't see him and see him smile without being like oh, it's great. My wife would never believe you. Yeah. I think my husband feels the same way about me like when people tell me things at conferences. And he's like. But one of the things that you did at boss Cohn was you introduced the first story that I ever read in front of an audience. So I thought that was pretty cool in thank you for that. You made that really smoothly and you made me feel really good about it after so, so thank you. Anyway. So we'll get. We'll get off that side trip therefore second. I'm curious if you talked to any of the nurses that, you know, about if they've ever felt that there was like a ghost or haunting or presence in the hospital said, that's something that I ask a lot of my sisters, I didn't I didn't ask about that in particular I was asking about responsibilities seizures Tyson thing, you'd have to deal with. And I think the other thing that is this was my father he had like most. The older men in my family have died from alcoholism in one form or another. I always out the whole Izza high blood pressure on tax, hypertension diabetes. Right. Something like that. So he he's the last person I deal with likes this. He have found himself in the emergency room ties loosening having all kinds of issues. What we found out is that his regular drinking was actually since exceeding certain levels. Senate ammonia into Brian loosening. And I remember after the emergency room hospital, and then there's sort of a halfway point with a send you back in time place. Penny works in where is is after the name. It's not hospice, that's, that's not at all. It is like long term care. Yeah. But it's transition. It's like keep working through his research, military care. Keep working with you. And until you're ready to be sent home so many patients there. I feel like every time I've, I've had to find I in a hospital or someplace light, this, either with elderly kids, whatever. No, my youngest daughter cancer in cancer awards and stuff like that. But all patients everybody, they're suffering, and is kind of. This kind of psychic darkness in the air and anytime media is anybody in these places. It's like you're looking at it goes because they're not quite all there, then when a swim, it someone you somebody loves someone you know, it's even we're like this is not the person. I know. And how do we get the back? Yeah. Yeah, exactly. I completely completely agree with that on so many. Yeah. Not happy. Now. My sister works in see you. And you know that's obviously not a happy place. She seems things. Yes. She is seen some things. I don't know how she does it. I could not do her job. There's no way in hell. God bless her. Not meet could not be knee. So how long have you been writing in making money with riding writing seriously? It's about thousand fourteen so two thousand fourteen when I now out of the sun, and I had been sort of, really trying to go at it since about two thousand ten so actually not that wrong. I mean, you know, always tinker with it, but I haven't been tainted very seriously. So I know. Sheared trying get post and stuff. Right. So are you a fulltime writer now? You know, I know. Like many of us exact I still hold. Do you aspire to be a fulltime writer? I think I would not mind being such a thing if it were at that fantastic. Oh, level that the media portrays in that we know is only very tiny percentage. Yeah. So it's more a fancy what I would love is fully writing the I do to support the writing that I do. Yes, you know, so able to self promote and go to confession stuff based on income coming from like that. That would be I d I think that would be great. You know, there's a small percentage, people that make it to that level in. I think you know making it to that level is a huge success. I mean even publishing a novel is huge success. I feel like every step in a writing career is huge just so hard. It's slow in publishing industry. Does not move like lightning. No. No. It does not it moves like molasses on a cold winter day in the Arctic. So tell us a little bit about the work that you do have out there right now that, that you would love for us to either read or listen to watch whatever. I have story about Jack Johnson in, in call the final summons from the new New England speculative writing group. There is a story a few extra pounds. That's in transcendent trans Monday impress. I'm really proud of both of those they've been around for a little while. I'd love the idea of taking Jack Johnson, this historical savior in doing something fictional with them, because he's one of those people as that's old enough that don't really have good records of all of his past and a few extra prow pounds cross between psychological in body horror, Allen. That sounds wonderful. I just had something picked up for knowing that horizontality. Join a weird seemed Dagi's. So I seldom story song. Warren, based on a based on the thing that actually happened to me when I was bringing floor I we were doing this huge battalion wide operation in North Africa. And it was in the desert in it's not the type of that you think a bunch of same dunes and stuff. Just flat plains dry. And I got separated at night from Michael tune. Oh, no. Yes. So it was real interesting. You know this thing this like literally nothing. It's not like. Check GPS or look at a street sign. Right. Not so long story short. I did find my way back to another another battalion. And then I connected with people mowing so kind of ethic, it was only a few minutes. But those few minutes. Yeah, I've been lost in the woods before which is better than being lost on a flat plane with, you know, when we got back, I got lost. But yeah, I mean it's really frightening to be lost. You know, even even if your only loss for like a minute or two by loan. It's, you know, it's like, oh, crap, you know, no one knows I'm here. I don't know where I am in. I have a story, not entirely sure, when it's going to come out, but it's it's called a wild man mile in its is based on a role playing game. So it's going to be a companion to pug, Myer. So there's there's it's one of these sort of uplift and animal game. I really didn't feel like I could I could do this, but I learned very early on. Somebody asked you. Hey, do you like to do this? You say, yes. Figured. Especially if you're getting paid to. Yeah. Used always be paid to say. No, if you're not getting paid. That's right. So I got I wrote this. I wrote a store, they're actually really proud of and the editor really enjoyed it. I can't wait to see it come out. I contributed a story to distort the states of America, which is a benefit at dollars for the ACLU in its co y'all live under the same sun. And yeah that's about it right now. I'm just I got the rights back to let the sun. And I've been working on improving that, and, and hopefully getting back into because every now known people ask like Naser sequel to this in there is. But I need to get it. Yes, please do. Please because I was going to ask you about that. It sounded interesting. You said just real quick asong of Warren death that one out yet that one is not out, yet, I believe it's going to debut this summer, though. I think they're gonna do it if the Necker non. Mikan in Rhode Island which is feeding. That's right, move that was for the New England knowing that rights horror Writers Association. Okay. Good deal. I'm gonna put links to the ones that are out in the show notes people can can get to that transcendent. The final summons. Those are definitely out. Excellent. Is there anything else that you wanted to share with us? I'm probably going to forget something here of the my next novel call lightning. Where's red Kate is going to be released in September, and it's, it's about superpowers developing in, in marginalized groups of people that the kind of problems it can cause in the whole thing. Soda borne of, of characters out, let me rewind further when I was a kid and I started drawing, comics and. Take apart action figures in create new ones. When I was about twelve when I was eleven or twelve years old, I sort of lifted everything that I was doing. And why are all my characters white and why are they all may? Just a natural thing that I was doing right. Because that's what you read so you emigrate which you read. Yeah. So I took all of that part of the next few years. And I it was this lightning was red Cape is an idea that's been banging around in my head since high school. Finally, I wrote it three or four times on, you know, the, the last twenty years or so. And then I finally put it together. A form that was coherent. That's always a good thing. Not to be coherent Brits like that. But. Features. I got to write in their, oh, you're been gods. Sunder enlightening, analogous Thor. I I've got a martial artist who's trained on another planet guy who's like superman of the police force in all of this builds on. You know, I feel like whenever I do this. I have some rules like you can't wear bikinis. Right. None of that, that this should be more marginalized folks representatives things. There's a woman who she she got essentially manipulate things at the molecular level. And this is a black woman, there's, there's a young kid who's handicapped? But he's, he's like grinding the floor after brother dies. He discovers he s abilities. And the one thing that everybody's been worried about is if someone develops some ability in uses it for cry. Time. Be developed some ability allows them to do some kind of mental manipulation, which, of course, is exactly what happens. So there's a courtroom before criminals that have been so scooting up criminalization 's and gangs just expanding the organization because their leader as ability to control emotions of projecting impasse. And I, I just liked the ideas, someone being. That level of manipulatives actually have free will. But because you love this person you'll do anything because you're frayed of that. But so is this novel available for preorder yet, it absolutely is available for much. That's what I like to hear. Okay. So that in the show notes as well defined excellent last. 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Ominous Interviews | Meg Smith

Ominous Origins

30:25 min | 6 months ago

Ominous Interviews | Meg Smith

"Hello again and welcome to another episode of the Ominous Origins podcast with me. Kc of course is episode is still brought to you by the wonderful people over add more believe beautiful dot com. Go Check L. Morally beautiful right now for all your horror pop culture needs from interviews to top ten lists and well everything in between Bells Great Library of podcast which you can listen to right after you finish this episode today. Before, we get started I. Do have a brand new review to read for you and he comes from for baby mom twelve, nineteen on apple podcasts. It's a short and sweet one. It's a five star review that says I like He. Real Nice Short Info Cast I. Dig it. Thanks for baby mom that means a whole lot and if you want your review, read out on the podcast, do you leave one? I tuned stitcher or wherever you get your podcast. Like I said, all five star reviews will be read out on the program and Allen Today's episode. I have an interview for you yes another interview. I enjoyed talking to people. So when somebody contacts me and wants to hop on the show and talk about any work that they've done or that they're promoting a new piece of work of fiction or fact or whatever. I'm always welcoming and today's guest is no exception to that. Welcome. We have MEG, Smith. She's an award winning journalist published author and poet. As, she came onto the show today to talk about her experience and her new book. A collection of short stories called the plague confessor. This is meg. Smith. Ominous. Ominous. It is an adjective. Selects breathing. Already I'm here with Meg Smith. She's a writer journalist, all sorts of creative things and she just released her very latest short story collection called the plague confessors. So thank you for coming on the show and congratulations on the release of your latest publication. So I, what did it feel like when you found out that your work was getting published? What were the emotions that were going on inside your head? How are you feeling? What kind of elation was it? I think a lot of people. WanNa. Know that considering there are quite a few aspiring writers out there. So to share that emotion with us. Oh well. Definitely there's a lot of emotions that go with that with publishing any kind of book for sure but I like to think of that I published in quotes my first book of short stories when I was thirteen and that was basically taking. Yeah. That was basically taking a bunch of short stories that I had variously written and putting it into a notebook and saying, yes, I published. A book of Short Stories But writing is something that I've done my whole life it is my career both as a journalist and. A writer of thought fiction in poetry and. So I had had various short stories published over the years in different types of public relations, most of them horror and Gothic in science fiction publications. And I knew that I really wanted to as a grownup we'll. Put out a collection just as I done when I was a kid when I was thirteen. So. The title of. The title story of this book, the play confessor actually wrote. Two years ago. So pretty much well before the the pandemic with we find ourselves in, but with all of the emotions and in all of the experiences that people are going through during the pandemic, definitely made sense to me that this should be. The lead story for this book. So even though it takes place during the Middle Ages during the black plague, it was important to me even though these are works of fiction to also present something that would resonate with the Times that we find ourselves in. There's no denying that the book is very, very topical, given the name of it and what's going on in the world right now with the pandemic and such. Now want to ask was that a conscious effort to release something called the plague confessor during a pandemic or was it just kind of a coincidence? I think it was honestly. Just, a a kind of a coincidental, just the course of events in our history that we're living in. I voice had I should say vice had an interest in public health both my parents were in nursing. And my late husband was a scientist and he was in public health administration for a long time and So the effects of public health and including the effects of say a mass illness or a pandemic such as the corona virus and. the consequences of that both in in terms of people's health, but also the the havoc that it can wreak on society. I think that that that's something that I've always been interested in and always studied and I've done some research on the so-called black plague taking place in the middle. Ages. And I wanted to craft a story at that time about some some of the interesting things that happen one of which was that the pope. Had declared at that time because so many priests and indeed just. So much of the population was dying. That there were lack of priests to hear people's confessions and so he basically an edict saying even if there's there's no one else around here you confessional woman can hear your confession. So the story I actually revolves around a woman in a in a town in Italy who is as it happens a prostitute and the only one who's who's well enough or are willing to go out and hear people's confessions during the plague. So I think every just as we saw the AIDS crisis and I think to some extent, we're seeing the coronavirus crisis There were populations that tend to become marginalized. We're hearing a lot about This illness afflicting certain vulnerable populations. and. In effecting a disparate numbers people of Color so I think one thing that a mass epidemic brings out in relief. Are the vulnerabilities of our population and certainly the inequities. You're not wrong. The pandemic is hit different. Groups different economic ethnic classes a lot differently than has hit other ones. Especially up here in Canada we find that a lot of the more hot spotty areas are definitely more of the impoverished areas so. Get where you're coming from especially from a s socio economic standpoint. But that is the discussion for a different podcast. But given the nature of your book here, the collection of short stories and you didn't mention nicer to writing a little while ago. Can you take us through that process, the timeframes and all that sort of stuff going on with the writing in the putting together of this collection Well that's a great question. Basically what I did was I I started to gather up stories that I had written and had been published in various places and some of them go back to about nineteen ninety-three. So Up to the present day and I wanted to do that because first of all I thought well, what I was writing back then is GonNa reflect some different things to what I'm writing now. So it would have the effect of having a more variety variety of different types of storytelling and different types of stories. Well, of course. Even in that amount of time a lot of things that changed, for example, some of the stories that that I wrote we're written in a time when most of us weren't texting. Or or that the technology wasn't affecting our lives to the extent that it is now. So for those stories I, kind of I wanted them to still be true to the Times. They were written in bought relatable to now. So in some cases I. tweak them a little bit to put them in some. Historical context for example, there's there's one story called kites which takes place during the the the Bosnian war and the ethnic cleansing atrocities that took place. Well, that was in the early nineties. So there was a case where I basically. Just put in an introductory sentence which stated that this was happening. The the majority of the story was happening in this particular prisoners camp in this place and time so that it would just be a little bit of an anchor for the reader to. Who because there are of people who perhaps don't remember that time and even those who do just to give it some some context So I think overall I managed to succeed in having even those stories back then ring true ten now. As, well as the contemporary stories and I think you'll probably agree technology and how it changes is something that I think a lot of writers wrestle with these days lake. Should should I should I have the character texting monsters coming? Are Maybe the monsters doing the texting but? have. Every right arrived doctors certainly, and maybe as well as said, well I I have to find a way. If I'm. GonNa write a story that emit contemporary time after we find a way to make it ring. True. Given. How pervasive technology is in our lives right now I mean even if you look back at movies from the eighties, if only had a cellphone, right? Hey, there's a guy with machete at the lake coming to kill me send help credits roll. Yeah. Yeah. The I mean when you think about it yeah, it's so true a lot of those. Stories would be upended. In some way or you'd have to like put the characters on a desert island or someplace where. You know the technology just isn't relatable, right? You almost have to add a new plot element say why they don't have a phone right or your You know to be honest with you to some degree I kind of just made peace with it and stories that are set in the present day I just said well, yeah. Some of these characters might well use their phones and the phones might advance the plot. In some way. And maybe there will be a time when that's those stories that technology won't be as relatable to a future audience and and maybe I'll either just go back and make some adjustments like I did for some of those earlier stories or You know we certainly Ren- great stories from the eighteenth and nineteenth centuries in the mid century in the twentieth century was great time for storytelling for novels and short fiction, and we just read them in the context of their time and appreciate them such. That brings us to a good segue actually says here in the back cover of your book that some of the stories in this novel or this collection are very reminiscent of Ray Bradbury and we know ray Bradbury use to really bright about. So how much inspiration did ray and his works have on this collection or your past or even future writings. Well Ray Bradbury definitely was an is a great influence to me and one of my favorite. Writers and talk about a writer who was rating in a certain place in time. Whose work still rings true. And I. Think the language that he uses is very beautiful and poetic and precise. Ray Bradbury was never and I don't think ever set out to be was sometimes known as a hard science fiction writing writer in other words. Even though he is stories about space travel in time travel and so forth they're not. They're not so much focused on on on technical precision as they are the experience of the characters in the story and I would say for sure I read the Martian chronicles when I was about thirteen. And I really loved the idea that you could write a whole novel that was. An assembly of short stories does each chapter in that book is a short story that could stand on its own and that's something i. i. certainly have tucked away in the back of my mind I. I actually started writing over the years various vampire short stories that were published in different places in so. It's kind of all my homework list to put that together in a novel but I would say the raise a great influence to me is an I owe a lot to him and many other writers. The writers obligation is still to create. Their own work, their own voice and and certainly be inspired by those earlier voices Edgar, Allan Poe and is another writer that. that I love But the challenge I think that those riders put people are us is to. Create Our own vision in our own story, and maybe hopefully we'll. We'll be inspiring to future generation of writers. That will be great. Yeah. You never know who might be reading your works and who you might inspire in the future. I mean who knows maybe somebody picks up your book on Amazon Inspires them to write and they become the next. Oh, I don't know love Bram Stoker Prize winning author. You just never know that would be a great one and I will be let me interject a little bit because I have to give. A shoutout to Bram stoker and in particular because. I'm first generation irish-american my mom's from. Ireland. my dad grew up in Charlestown which. was very much an Irish American enclave of Boston. And So to me, this was a pretty potent cultural setting he and Bram Stoker. AS THE AUTHOR OF DRACULA WAS Irish he grew up in a place called clan tar, he was born there in eighteen forty seven. And when I was in Dublin two year since September two years ago I took myself on a little walking tour of some different things in Dublin that I wanted to see, and of course, one of those things on that list was house that Bram stoker lived in. So Definitely from cultural heritage standpoint. I'm very proud of of the whole of the Irish literary tradition and I'm definitely proud as writer of horror and speculative fiction that that was an. Irishman. Pens. A novel. Dracula. That's never gone out of print and has inspired. So, many writers and artists and so many mediums to So I definitely have to tip my hat to. humbling. Think of as a literary ancestor. Brim Stoker. Yeah. We'll know inspiration plays a huge role in anybody's creative works. So how does your past work in poetry inspire your fiction stories? You're short stories or any novels that you may have cooked up in your brain? Well, I think I've always been a lover of poetry and a lot of my writing in fact is. Primarily poetry, but I think one thing that poetry does is It can train both the eye and the ear of the listener and the writer because in poetry generally speaking. The. Words have to do some kind of work and I actually think about that as a newspaper editor and writer it very similarly although on at different meetings every word. In a poem has to be doing some kind of work because you're somewhat limited. In, what you're going to say in how you're going to say it and also poetry, it's read aloud allows you to really hear how sound and how they work together to convey to the reader something that the readers going to relate to. But it's still said in an original way that to me is kind of the challenge of poetry and I have I have a five poetry books out. And I'm very proud of that animal. So kind of humbled at. The ability and the opportunity to do that. And I've had a lot of poems published in different publications and journals over the years, and now, of course, online as well as in print. And so I think even if someone doesn't really set out to be a career poet writing poems, it seems to me is is actually a good way to kind of train oneself to organize words and Organiz thoughts and. And it can be helpful even if someone considers themselves mainly a right or prose fiction Because in fictious, well, all the words should matter and all the words should sound like they go together and you should be saying something original in that story that the reader relates to but you're still saying to the reader in a way that's like new and unexpected. So I I actually think the two disciplines of poetry in prose go to go together very well and can help each other. Now that's very well said. Now, we've mentioned a few times as well that you are also a journalist and you're kind of low mass is at a police. You're still working out of his second your headquarters what's the story with that? Yes, I Well, I'm definitely. I lived in Lowell mass for longtime by the way, the the birthplace of of another great writer Jack Kerouac. And Right, now I guess I'm really based in Lowell because all of us have been working from home since the advent of the corona virus. The. I did get my start at the the hometown paper in the son. as a freelancer and Currently, I work for a group of newspapers that includes a lot of suburban weeklies for many of our local cities and towns. And that's really exciting. Work and again the. Goal of a journalist somewhat different. From writing short stories or novels but you're still in some ways accomplishing similar task you're trying to report information you know truthfully and objectively and. Stepping away from any opinion or bias that the journalists might have because human beings we all have them. But as a journalist, you're trained to put that aside. So you can see all sides of the story. and. It's a challenging time to be a journalist, but I still love it. I've been doing this work for about for Coming up on thirty years in November and. A lot of great writers have also had that we got. We respected myhrvold also had careers in journalism at some point. And So I, feel kindred to them as well and I feel a great responsibility in telling in telling a story in the medium of journalism in a truth fall and faithful way. They started writing their young around thirteen years old. You said, you published your first little creative work. And then he transitioned into journalism. What was the correlation between Writing Fiction Journalism? Is there any was sort of a happenstance thing? Tell us how. Journalism and creative writing kind of blend or work into each other or whatever the story or the cases there. Well, I think from from the time I was probably about five or six years old I I really had this idea in my mind that I definitely wanted to be a writer and there's other other pursuits I enjoy. As well, and that I liked doing. But I always knew that. That the written word in different forms was always going to be a part of my life and I, saw that it could also be fashioned into. A career. So really early on like as a kid as I mentioned, I started writing short stories and even what I refer to as as novels and poetry, but I also liked to create little periodic tables. Like papers and magazines and things like that, and then of course, in highschool and as well as in college I, was on the school newspapers. and. Also, when I was in college founded a literary supplement to school newspapers. So I think I kind of always knew that. And I feel fortunate in a way to kind of know from an early age what. I wanted to do. And having that certainty and having that feeling that yeah, this is the right thing. It can definitely carry you through. The challenging times that any career can face us with well, did you say if you do what you love, you never work a day in your life, right? Yeah but yeah, I've heard that saying. I love it, but it is definitely still work. But sure. Yes. I feel I certainly feel grateful. To do something that I really love doing things could definitely be worse. I mean you could be pushing boxes in a factory. You're working customer service although I, always feel like every person has their own path they just have to know it and hopefully have support. From their family and community to know it and. It's definitely work that. I love doing but. But there's definitely the work aspect which is why we journalists and writers and general drink so much coffee. Part of the economy will always keep going to wash. My Dad always used to say there's a couple of industries that are never going out of business teachers and funeral directors. People always want to learn and people are always GonNa die, and now I guess you could throw in talking more may coffee those those? Choices. I it sounds like he was pretty concrete about it. Yeah. That's kind of how he is but I'm going to ask you the hardest question of this entire interview. What is your favorite story in the play confessor while that is a hard question. and honestly it's a fair question and one I should have seen coming I. think that I think I would say in all fairness to me. The the favourite one personally. Might be the played confessor itself. But also. Kites, which is the last story in the book. And, the reason for that is that an in the story is not none of the stories really intended as as political statements, but certainly, the political and cultural turmoil of of the Times is is reflected in them. That The for anyone who can remember the Balkan. Wars were an absolute atrocity in our modern history. and. They it is from that period that we get the euphemistic term ethnic cleansing. And there were in fact, a number of terrible things happening in different parts of the world around that. Around that time, and sadly we find that genocide is something that remains. With us even in our modern world. And I felt that there were many difficult things to Parse at that. You know I did not live in that part of the world I don't have anyone. Personally connect connected to me who lived there, but there were a number of things that that happened or that were being reported out by civilians and victims that I felt. That in that when respectfully done in the form of a short story. Might perhaps speak to others who maybe have carried their own traumas or their own experiences, and so above all I set to try to write a good story but I remember. The feeling and the emotion itself of writing that story and also at that even here in the United States where things were relatively stable, it was a difficult time economically and it was a difficult time to be part of my generation, which is generation X.. So I think that there were a lot of things from my life personally in that story and from the historical events in which their cast that I feel like when I stand back and look at piece of work and say Yeah I think Because? I think it's important for everyone to be their own toughest critic and if you say well. This is this helped me to to sort of get where I need to go, and hopefully it brings the leader on a worthwhile journey as well. Well, very well said once again. Now. Where can people find your works We know it's on Amazon but hubbub past works as well as the play confessor and whereabouts online can other people find you as your website social media's anything like that? Available on. Amazon. And as our four of might fight poetry books, the play confessor, and for my poetry books the scarlet dancing deer deepest goes might silent and Pretty Green Thorns they're available and we're all published by immune books, and so they're all available on Amazon. I can also be reached at my webs that my website make Smith writer dot com. It ends I have a facebook page facebook dot com slash Meg Smith writer. And my twitter at at Meg Smith. Underscore writer so I love for folks to visit me at any of those places and drop a line in can also reach out to me through those places if they wanNA order a book directly through me as well to figure decide if you do that. Yes. I'm most happy honored to sign copies of any books that are ordered from directly. That's pretty awesome. I have one last question for you and given the situation the world right now, it may or may not be a great question. But do you have any plans to promote the book either through in-person readings or signings or whatever authors do when they? Release a walk into the wild. Sure. That's that is that's also a really great question. There's absolutely no doubt that that the virus has had so many impacts on on so many different parts of our lives. For writers with books, it has definitely had an impact in, for example. There are literary festivals that have either been canceled or gone to a virtual format. I mentioned Jack Jack was born here in low mass. I was on the Board for longtime for a low celebrates KEROUAC. Will we put on a festival in Jack Heroics? Honor that's an example of one that's gone virtual obviously many regular poetry readings in once where I've been honored to be feature. Those are either being done virtually or they've been canceled. So. Yeah. There's been a lot of need to adopt and certainly I've been. Trying to raise visibility through virtual events, I been featured movie featured in some upcoming virtual poetry events. Certainly, I'm honored to be part of a podcast such as yours. Because I think that definitely helps get the word out and I think all of us are going through that process of adaptation. So I think. If, we're going to go through a pandemic. Are we're all really fortunate to be in a time where we do have? Online media where we can still reach one another and have that conversation absolutely make Smith. Thank you very much for joining me today the ominous origins podcast. Well, thank you so much for having me. It's been a pleasure in have a safe and happy Halloween everyone. And with that, the play confessor is available on Amazon and be sure to reach out to make on her website or social media maybe just to say, hi or maybe to tell her how much for work has inspired you as a creative and whatever field you work in or treating. Thank you so much I look forward to continuing the conversation that way.

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Forry Ackerman

Sci-Fi Talk: The First Season

18:46 min | Last week

Forry Ackerman

"Hello my name is matt. Through and welcome to sci-fi talk come on join the long jump on the bandwagon. Everybody else has got another hayride. Hi ernie hudson hi. I'm you know author of the return. Man this is nick. Raw from gaza ventures. This is wendy and lisa. tom. Hi i'm a mammoth tapping from start of stargate atlantis. And sanctuary. this is renee. oh bears wa. I play shape. Shifter oto on star trek deep space nine brown and play hoyle and yesterday was a lie as well as crimen taylor on star trek enterprise coupla concept designer in film. I am emily and i play jennifer. Going twelve mortiz. Five high on the best of sci-fi talk he was an agent a publisher of famous monsters and an avid john collector. His name was forty ackerman. And even coined the term sci-fi here is a vintage conversation with the late great for ackerman course meeting the los angeles science fantasy society and in nineteen thirty five and recently. We had the sixtieth anniversary. A van vote was there and i gave a little reminiscent talk about it in the earliest days. Great gods came down from mount. Olympus science fiction authors like david h keller and arthur j burks and edmond hamilton and We young fans were thrilled by them. Then a young fella named wayne woodard came to the club and our eyeballs popped out when we saw his fabulous artwork eventually became hans. Buck ray bradbury was so impressed by box work that he took it with him to new york in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine for the first world science fiction convention. I went bradberry fifty bucks to spend three. And a half days and nights on a greyhound bus to get there and one hundred and eighty five was first world convention. Now there may be eight nine ten thousand out of the hundred and eighty five. We had a banquet so expensive. The only twenty nine could afford it. I couldn't even afford to lend. Ray bradbury the money. It was one dollar a plate. Ever pay back fifty dollars Yes he did and He must be thinking in terms of inflation because he never fails at any lecture he gives. It's gone up. I i let him sixty then seventy five. I think except ninety dollars in his memory. What was it like in the early days when you started famous monsters of film which i consider one of the fathers of all the genre magazines well in in one thousand nine hundred fifty seven there were fifty five of its chartered. A plane fans in new york and flew over to london for the world science fiction convention and afterwards we all had a couple of weeks on the continent. I went to france and in paris. I noticed a movie magazine at ordinarily was about all sorts of films. But this was totally on fantasy. So i just picked it up for my collection. Got back to new york. And as literary agent which i still am representing about two hundred authors of science fiction i met up with the publisher who've been putting out kind of a poor man's playboy call after hours and fourth issue is sort of science fiction oriented issue. I had a little futuristic story in it and think a feature called. I was a spy for the fbi. The fantasy bureau of investigation and I was a sci-fi addict and so on and publisher took one. Look at this French fantasy film magazine and in he's mind i could see it all turning into english and he thought well he'd have a ready made one shot here he did care for the magazine was about brigitte bardot or marilyn monroe or the beatles as long as he could sell copies he didn't expect subscriptions or that it was survive well. He was frustrated that no single individual owned all of the photos in the magazine and he would have to deal with half a dozen frenchman and also any began. Translating it seemed was kind of dull and dry and he was going to give up on the notion. And i said well don't look now. I've been seeing these of films from nineteen twenty two libra that i have thirty. Five thousand stills at that point it's grown about one hundred and twenty five thousand now so he didn't know if i was for real came out to hollywood to check me out when he saw was all true. Sat me down at a dining room table with a typewriter and For twenty hours a day. I was there with that hot typewriter. It was smoking so much. I was afraid to go to die of cancer and the publisher had an imaginary sign in the air. Said i'm eleven and a half years old and i am your reader. Mr ackerman make me laugh. Well i had no intention of making anybody laugh. I thought this is once in a lifetime. I intended to put something called wonder. Ram which would be kind of an encyclopedia with one full. Page on frankenstein and dracula and king kong but So i wrote it to a formula making half year. Old kids laugh and about six weeks later i was in a swimming pool and the mother was there talking to another mother. Said you wouldn't believe that crazy magazine. My kid brought up with all. These messed up faces at there. There was a picture of a mommy and it said he fell into a swimming pool and became an instant mud pie and everybody in the pool was breaking up and i thou that came out of my fingers about six weeks ago. Well i issue of famous. Monsters was not distributed nationally it was just a tryout in new york and philadelphia and unfortunately in in new york it was a big snowstorm and snow was up about three feet around the kiosks and the publish. It was afraid this is going to be death. Doom and destruction that nobody would be going out to buy playboy or live or look or anything let alone our curiosity but at the end of four days he called up and said oh my lawyer we got fifty letter. We got two hundred letters here already just from the new york and philly and he said if it carries on like this around the country i think we have a big hit on her hand. He said you think you could possibly squeeze out one more i said. Well i don't happen to believe in reincarnation. But in case i'm surprised and i keep coming back for the next five thousand years. I think yes i can go on and on and on without repeating myself so just before i left l. a. put to bed issue number two hundred eight and then bringing halloween to the kids at the country for years. And these kids have grown up and turned out to be steven. Spielberg george lucas and john. Landis stephen king's at his first story when he was fourteen years old might finally published. It gave him sudden riches. A check for twenty five bucks man who gets ten million dollar advances for books. He hasn't written yet. Do you have a favorite horror movie or science fiction movie. Well i tell you. I've seen metropolis eighty five times trying to make up my mind how i feel about it. I think that might possibly qualify as my favorite science fiction film and as for horror. Nobody's ever surpassing lon chaney as the phantom of the opera. I agree with that. That's a that's a classic What do you like this out now. Not much not much. No i mean all of the guts and gore and slashers and so on abbey inadvertently a couple. I got my head blown off in in the film called ceremony. I thought that might be the end of my movie career but they tell me actors are losing their heads every day in hollywood and they go right on working and my forty ninth cameo i. I don't know whether anybody's gonna believe that's performance or not. Because i'm required to run away from a sixty foot centerfold from playboy rather than toward that's called the attack of the sixty foot centerfold. And i'm signed up for my fiftieth cameo coming up. We'll be in dinosaur valley girls. There's more sifi talked so stay tuned back on sci-fi telecom tony to lottery are you. Are you maze at the adulation that you get for what you've done. Yes yes. I never quite get used to it. Well i'll tell you it is a thrill for me to talk to you because of what you've done It's because of people like you. Science fiction is so big right. Now what would you give to advice if somebody wants to write science-fiction or get into that as as a career. Well just gave such advice. i have an open house. Approximately forty weekends out of the year. As long as i'm here. And not in. Taiwan or transylvania or somewhere and i would think after twenty three years of these forty times. The air that will be exhausted. Everybody on earth but they they keep coming. There was a a group of forty graduates from. Mit came recently and the week before were thirty senior citizens and then the other day Number school kids from second and third grade and a number of them were interested in being writers science fiction. So i buy them go to the library. Get a number of the the better anthologies to see what it's been done already so they don't write the story of going back and killing their grandfather and then they're never born or adamant and evelyn who go back in the time machine and are are stranded with nobody else on earth. They wake up. Good lord why we're adamant he learnt. There's i have to ask you about your collection of memorabilia which is an amazing things that you have while it's only eighteen rooms and three hundred thousand things i don't know. Do you have a favorite piece. Her probably a hard question. Why sure do Fell in love with that metropolis. Robot tricks when i was ten years old and she was probably blown to bits and the blitz of berlin. Nobody knows what became over. So i employed a couple of talented young chaps and they spent a year and a half and six hundred hours and reconstructed the the robot form. I call her o. Thima future automaton initials you f. A of the studio that made her and also because in one thousand nine hundred twenty six little nine year old stood in front of a new stan and the october amazing stories jumped off the newsstand grabbed hold of me and most of your listeners are probably too young to realize it but in nineteen twenty. Six magazine spoke and this one said. Take me home little boy. You will love me three years later. My mother was quite concerned. She said sunday realize. How many of these magazines you have. I just counted them. Why you had twenty seven. Can you imagine by the time. You're a grown man. You might have a hundred. Mother lived in eighteen room home until she was ninety. Four and. I don't know really how magazines i have with the mayor of los angeles for librarians around one day and after they picked their eyeballs up off the floor and poked them back in their sockets went to work and told me to have fifty thousand books. I'm getting a psychic impression. One a year lists news. Yes one of your listeners is about to say shirley mr and don't call me shirley you haven't read all of those books. I want your search. No i read every last word in my collection. When i get a new book. I turned to the last page and read the last word. Wow actually i'm not gonna tell you this has been such a thrill for me I mean you are part of science fiction history. As far as i'm concerned and what you have done for science fiction from all people that can't be here to say it. I say thank you and Especially all the sons. That you sort of. Have fathered like stephen king's and the john landis is an steven spielberg's jurassic park by the way Certainly a quantum jump in in animation. I i realize now that we can go to edgar rice. Burroughs mars or the center of the earth is really nothing human imagination. Can't come up with the this impossible to see on the screen. And i only wish that They would combine the terrific technology with storytelling. Once again he is the key this. The problem with hollywood is not technology. It's the writing and that's why there's a lot of movies that are so forgettable. I mean drastic park had its problems but It was It was. I liked it. Because i grew up with the harry house and movies and i said wow i was just amazed i go. This is wow. This is the way this all leads up to. Now when i leave here. I'm going to berlin. I'll be with ray harry house there. There's this is the one hundredth year of Since the creation of motion pictures and all around the world variety of celebrations and berlin. They're going to have An exhibition call beauties and the beasts in in films and i've sent them over Posters from king kong. And frankenstein and dracula and and some of the objects. I have from the films like the exorcist. And the metal luna mutant from from this island earth will no trouble. It was only call me by my main street. The movie of his. That really impressed me. Now that i know it was all done by hand would have to be jason. The argued the skeleton seen in jason. The it to me. yeah it was. It wasn't done by computers this the other night. The one of the new outer limits really had do. I haven't seen that thousands of little little creatures and none of makes it all computers haven't seen the new limits. I like the old one that was that was the classic. Very classic you covered into your magazine back in nineteen sixty three years. I have those issues hanging around somewhere. See wanna show your listeners. Bela lugosi dracula. Ring wishes was television. That's the actual an actual ring. Oh yes there's the back woah. Oh that is that is folks that which you could see this is. This is an incredible thrill for me to see this ring. Which i consider the original dracula one of the best. I haven't in my collection. I watched it. And we watch it all the universal monsters. I have such a very soft spot in my heart for the original frankenstein. Oh even though even some of the bad ones. That weren't as good and i. I think epoca. Stella frankenstein is hilarious. It is so funny and the what makes it work. Is that all the actors playing. The monsters played straighten. They don't they don't goof on the image of the monsters and yet they're able to have fun with it to. It's historically but the original frankenstein. With james whale and dracula and and the original wolfman i mean jack pierce what a great makeup artist indeed. The was kind of tragic. He didn't exactly have a funeral. Had a bit of a memorial. But i don't think about ten or twelve people were were there and now the The ed wood film. It's a little known fact that i was edwards literary or perhaps illiterate area agent and That picture is so inaccurate. I knew bela lugosi the last three years of eli. He never used a cane. Never say so much as a hell or a damn real gentleman and they have him seen. He's absolutely scatalogical things in the film particularly a running down. Boris karloff which never did in my presence and they show pathetic little group of eight or ten people at his funeral. Will i happen to be the one hundred first person who passed by his coffin out of one hundred and three of us and there was no such thing as well as Wild mongrels in the theater yelling and screaming and tearing up the the the seats when lugosi in because he was in a hospital in that happen and they He didn't fight around with a fake octopus. That was done by george becua- a double for him. Altogether incredibly inactive the inaccurate rather the only saving grace very good impersonation by Johnny depp and of course landau rightfully got his his oscar. If it hadn't been written by two kids. Who weren't even alive when. Bela died if they had asked me. What kind of those questions. Well don't don't spoil it with accuracy you know we've made up our mind. Let show shame. I'm surprised i would have if i were doing something like that. You'd be one of the first people. I approach back because i mean you knew bill. I mean you have to go to people that. Are you know what this man was liked to do. Some kind of accurate portrayal was like. That's a shame. That really is a shame man. It's great to hear that again. Those are the interviews. I treasure of the ones of the folks that aren't this any longer. Because it's timeless to have their voice there is forrest j ackerman. Just flown in. From horror would carla sena to be on scifi talk.

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Marc Zicree

Sci-Fi Talk: The First Season

19:56 min | 11 months ago

Marc Zicree

"Hi I'm George. Decay and I listened to Sifi Talk. Marc Scott Zicree established writer writing to Classic Star Trek Series Deep Space Nine and the next generation and also for Babylon five and also being involved in revival of sliders. His new project has me excited at hearkens back to a day. Saifi were dreams ran rampant. Let's hear about Space Command and New Space Dreams. Really excited to talk to you about this project know. I think it's it looks you know watching it on the kickstarter site. It looks really really cool. Yeah we we're very excited about it. It's really fun. What made you decide to To to kind of reviving reduced basket. Well it was. Essentially the whole idea came from you know conversations. I was having Gresley and Neil John from you and my part is on this project where you know we really love. Science Fiction from the fifties and I was very aware that there was some of the shared vision of what our journey in space would be that we you know when you when you're reading Heinlein Asimov Clark was. We would all go out into space. We colonize Mars until for him. You know the outer worlds and moons in this system and then jump out stars in town. Ralian races and so forth. There was very much. You know the same vision you get in control and Forbidden Planet and Star Trek and so forth and then in recent decades you kind of lost that and and fiction lately is very topic and very dark. I mean I like that very much. You know the recent version. But you know it doesn't leave you feeling hopeful and You know and even come on the easiest turns out to be extremely dark and grim you know and so I thought there was room to explore this this company new based on what in five knee when I was younger. I gotta give you all Kudos for doing this on kickstarter. I think it's a great idea. you don't have to deal with networks and things like that and then they end up getting in the way most of the time unfortunately so. Kudos for you for doing it that way. Thanks thanks a lot. Essentially some of your cast You've got some great people involved so far. Ethan Phillips Arman Shimin Catches Mickey Jones from Penns Laboratory. Hell boy and you know. And it's just going from stations on five. And just you know and Papa cargo for Bob on this prevention from few there were were planning role for her so it just it just keeps getting better and better and more and more people from major science fiction movies in fiction series and reaching out they hear about this project you know so. I think we're GONNA have even more amazing announcement very shortly. I know you've gotten a lot of support. Also you know from people in the industry to to say full speed ahead and get this going. Yes I mean. It's nice that you know people are really enjoying what we're up to. I mean bland bragging year Mo and then Lindelof and Neil Gaiman and when they're on Jayjay I mean they've all been very very supportive and very friendly and he just kind of you know I mean the thing. The thing is that people who do good work recognize other good work and and they're not snob so isn't about. Oh well you're not in the studio you know Old System. So how good can it be? That's not their attitude at all their attitude is you? They know my work and they liked my work. Concurrently book with your Modell Toro and And so you know one game was writing. Teacher say was For Road is not presented. You build it and that's very much what we're doing steaks command absolutely and that's A. It's a great road to build and I think if you all the people you mentioned And really myself too was influenced by those early Space Adventures Especially as we were starting out with our interest in science fiction the Space Command and the Forbidden Planet before Star Trek or the ones that you know were around. That's where it star. Trek has its roots really. Of course I couldn't tell people that my two favorite dark movies and Forbidden Planet and Galaxy. So but it's true I mean it's it's funny because you know when we were when we were younger and just starting reading reading genre and watching. Tv and film. You know I mean they would be dark. Things happening me stories. I mean certainly if you look at look movie forbidden at this monster from the killing people. The basic underlying assumption is that there is lymphoma heroism and there is room for selflessness -bility and ultimately become something with a good heart a better sheets representative there is a happy ending ahead you know and I think with all of the doom and gloom in the world I you know in my own life and of many people I know you know you can reach out others. You can't create something that will endure and and it isn't all just you know. Oh my God. The future is going to be bleak. I don't believe that in and it hasn't been if you look over the last few decades my have been terrible things of course nine eleven and the Vietnam War and you name it. But it's been wonderful things to in people as their families and and and find love and all the things that make life worth living and So I I very much want to present that That viewpoint absolutely and you know with today's special effects It's it's a lot easier to do it now than ever before this even ten years ago would have been harder to do what would have been impossible. We couldn't do this project. Despite level it would have been millions of dollars and I wouldn't even attempt to. I mean it's it's really the the influence of the fact you can shoot on a digital camera. Edit on a Mac you can reach out to people via the Internet to raise money and disseminate material and also You know the special effects are incredibly less expensive than they used to be. You can do things that you know. They were doing the Star Wars in two thousand one and Petra kids learning technology so it and becomes a group effort. So we're actually like I. I enjoy doing things this way. So is there a plan to do like a standalone movie kind of thing? The pilots were starting by doing four homes and what we call three vignettes half hour story. Kansas I basically follows family. The family and the family as part of the great expansion and migration exploration out of the system and the stars and over centuries and so we're following several generations of the family and the families and so some of the stories will be further along the time line will be earlier in the crimeline something like when Pete when highland created when he called the future history and had stories all along that future timelines. That's sort of what we're doing and it's very very fun and so You know so so. We're already for some of the stories will take much earlier. When we're still in the solar system we still have slower than light. Travel were performing Mars. And and settling planets of the Jovian and twenty in systems. Like your rope and so forth Ganymede later ones will be out among stars and Encountering Alien Races and having those kind adventure so big story and I really like like taking it on and I'm having time of my life that's cool. That's really cool looking forward to seeing when that when that it all comes together should be a lot of fun Well actually we're actually people our building tiny designing aliens and new genetic special effects. We're waiting. We're which we start shooting the first one in October. And we're actually shooting I to our story and the thirty minute vignette. You must time win back moving ahead on all of that now. Is this going to be available on the Internet to start? Is that the plan or. Is there a different venue for you? Basically the backers have gone space can dot com or page and they can they can get a dvd or BLU. Ray Not only downloadable content as well and Ultimately maybe the on demand or a theatrical depending on who steps up. We'll see how that shakes out but but initially when thinking you know the home video options you know is is the way to go and then go off and lots of extras like books and P shirts and watches and jackets and all of that really cool stuff model you know name states cool hopefully will bring back those shots and movies a little boy with his. You know model of the spaceship in his room. You know we don't have enough or they lately. You know we really know and you know. I think it's really interesting when you think about. It's like I feel sorry for little kids. It's like in terms of mean star. Wars is beguiling but star wars as long time ago and the Galaxy far away. It's not like grow out and be part of that Universe Star Trek. The original Star Trek inspired a lot of people who grow up and be scientists and become astronauts because they saw that as a future they could be part of and wanted to be part of and I think I think the important thing and and you know so I think it's really well worth from inspiring it's And so they can pretty much. I hope so she had to have our ships called power. And it's just really cool looking Spaceship and so we can has a model of that. You know by wire over and Daddy Daddy was doing absolutely absolutely and we. This won't be running before comic con so I wanted to ask you. Have you have your panel there? That's going to happen and you're gonNA show some Some interesting visual goodies as well. Yes we're GONNA premiere some new affect shots and also in mccague. My friend who designed Marley must be something was working on the avengers and John Carter and Harry Potter is designing our characters. And so we're GONNA be unveiling a lot of the character designs as well but there's be a lot of surprises and some of our actors. We'll be on the panel Doug Jones and mathematician and MOANS and Andrew. Johnston said she'll you may pop them as well. And so it's GonNa be great panel. It's Friday night. Eight thirty nine thirty in room five. Am during cons. So we'll be there Friday night July thirteenth signings day before on that day and the day after giving up posters things like that terrific great. It's great to see kind of like this enthusiastic version of space being told again and that's as it should be. Yeah and it's it's Sunday so many people beaching outlets in fact they are actually a wheel. Man the The air force arm of the State Service and they actually be shots and they WANNA work with us on this as well and they won't have Zoya approval or anything like that but they'll be making some of their resources and extra few able to and we're going we're going to be going through the approval process office with them but very fun to me with with couple of officers from the air force because again when I grew up with the space program and Apollo and all of that I mean. You know there. There really aren't we. Oh heroes you know. I'm not in favor of war but I'm certainly not a bigoted against you know people in the military. I you know there are many ways to serve this country. I have to also commend you. You wrote to my favorite star trek episodes from two different shows. And that was I contacted. The same would be be newer. Is it still crate? Had had also far beyond the stars which different tone It was a very important Benjamin. Sisko episode really showed what he was about and I really enjoyed both of them for different reasons but they were both very much star. Trek. Thank you. Yeah and it was very funny leading for Star Trek because it's such an enormous huge universe now with all the stories they've done all of the series and to come up with two stories totally or never done before on a great honor and a great challenge and And funny because the inspiration for a hobby on stars working the booth fifty nine fiction writer on my first my first paid mentor which Theodore Sturgeon and I got no ten very well written of course to Great Star Trek. The original series. I'm a crime. And surely and he also written for Galaxy magazine in the magazines. Fantasy science fiction back fifty. And so that's why I got the germ of that idea to write about those guys who who wrote science fiction back there then for the love of it and you wouldn't have star wars and Star Trek. Those wonderful writers like head and our regret Brie and many of those wonderful writers and then Harlan Ellison Harlan was not offended. Mentor he He did a a cording little that he recorded about writing. During that era in the fifties Ray Bradbury and I know you're doing a memorial for him at the Convention I know you're probably gonNA say some things while you're there but just kind of What's your first memory of of Ray Bradbury's work you know it's funny i. I was reading from when kit and he actually gave a talk in the library when I'm ten years. And he was the first rider I ever saw person and is so impressed with and even then he was so alive and so warm and so encouraging and I remember that somebody said that then was for writer your life and your art and your work all come from the same place in this offense and I think that's when I first even even started thinking of becoming a writer and then in recent years over the last fifteen years I became very very good friend. And he's a terrific mentor and every month or so. I would go over to the house and we just didn't talk. What an honor that was and I'm a huge fan of his work. I mean the Marshall Chronicle for five lanes or mazing amazing books. And I'm I'm I'm glad they`re. They've been establishes classics and will live on and it was funny because I knew it was in poor health. I'd seen just a few weeks before he died and and yet when he died it was still such a blow because there was only one of him another one. I was so honored to get snow and just be someone inspired insurance work and we'll see where things lead. I mean I. There was a project and I wanted to do together. A mini series called Bradbury's Lost Mar based on twentieth. Aren't in the Marshall Chronicles and And I hope is doing natural kickstarter to down the road when base. Command is finished. And we'll see if that happens. I I really want to do that. That'd a nicer tribute to him. I think he would like that. Very much. That's That's one of the things that you were involved in your directed an episode. World Enough and time for a star Trek new voyages talked to Jim. Cawley about that project and I kinda look at. As the semi pro ball of Star Trek were professionals working with almost professionals on there and I thought that was very unique. And I the thing about those episodes of really has given characters like your episode was on a sue and really fleshed out a lot of his character with the alternate history and I really enjoyed that I. It's I know it's hot shooting on that bridge but I mean it's it certainly looks good and and the stories were certainly really cool to watch. Well Yeah I'm I'm very very of that. We'll nothing time. I wrote it and directed and executive produced it and Michael Visas Michael Right on. He also for next Gen and on an emmy for the for Batman the Animated Series Star Wars novels. Now writing books with Neil Gaiman and it'll be riding one of our men movies with me. Well worth one and it was great because I always wanted to work with Georgia. We met when I interviewed him for the twilight zone companion when I was working on that book in my twenties and I'd I long to work with him and when I found out about star trek new voyages which is now called. Cirque DU I remember the story line. Michael Lifson pitch to Archer case to win paramount with can do that show in the seventies and it's a great suitable episode and they end up making it took because they needed star. Trek Movies into that theory. I called Michael and I said you wanNA write this with me we can do with these guys in upstate. New York and he said sure. And then we start to Georgetown Georgia's House and Sit Down with them in in vining them and I had type of the storyline in three pages. And I said you're brilliant actor not just in another things. I've seen which I mentioned. I said you all you never got the deserve here. It is and I need you to read these three pages right now and tell me. If you'll do this you'll make with me. And he read three pages right there and he said Yeah. I'm in and it was great because you know I think is my favorite star trek character. Really because he's just such a great character such intelligent and competent and loyal great qualities. I wish that they had done the captain soon. After we did one on my than I can Winston Engle and I actually wrote up a captain whose dairy recycle and and outlined a full to our movie and the networks just went the CDs. Just wasn't interested. It was funny. Cbs now on Star Trek to television and because CVS Viacom Paramount. You know and And they just didn't fit in with their business model. Wow you guys just really. Don't get it you know so But I'm glad that I actually generated that that document because of what do series would've been enjoys can't be to work with I. I look forward to working with him again and I really appreciate your time but I can't let you go without saying that many a times I would have the twilight zone companion with me. After watching an episode. I would thumb through that and pick out the different details about the episode. And also what you thought of the episode and it just really made it so much more enjoyable by doing that. Thank you and it was great. It was on the book and You know I'm very glad that I wrote a book about twilights on what was stoppages. Something you know. It's not such quality I mean I recently I did. Fifty commentaries violate them. Blu Ray also produced and sit down and watching them again rash after all these years and it's just finishing. I mean mazing work. And I'm so glad that Rod that show that show and brought Matheson Beaumont and George Clayton Johnson aboard and or Ham nermeen the nominal work and various five. And I go back to twilight zone over just reminded of what possible. And he's just a huge inspiration and Bradbury too. As a matter of fact his is the only episode were Sterling's narration his in it because that's the way Bradbury wrote you know it's real. Yeah Yeah Lane. I talked about What's funny 'cause when when Rod serling sold the twilight when he called Ray and he said I don't know if you're not science fiction and they said come up with the House and I'll I'll teach you came over the house? Ray took him into his basement whereas office was closed. Some books off the shelf one by one of his short story books and by Mattress Bromont when John Collier gave him the Rodney. Read these. And let's talk until Matheson in. Beaumont came aboard twilight zone physically because of of recommending. They were two of his shaved and how that happened and so it was a he raised. Yeah and boy were glad they did. They really added so much to the show and the direction show absolutely phenomenal as far as space command. It'll be a website for that eventually or Space Command. Well they know the stakes command movie. Dot Com which takes you started and and pledge base. Command takes you to the website if you go to started patriots and click through their website. And I think once the once the campaign is over fiscal end movie Dot Com. We'll just either direct line to the website so if one is just used to going that route. Think the right over right over to the website and there's lot of video content and artwork as a concept art and there's a lot of good look at on the website even now great great. That sounds great. Thank you so much for your time mark. And we'll certainly help. Get the word out about this really worthy project. It's going GonNa be a lot of fun for me. The ten year old boy is jumping up and down right now inside of me. So it's GonNa be every day is like my birthday. I really appreciate the opportunity to talk about Tony because he can tell that I really love it. Oh Yeah it's That's that's great. I mean that kind of passion is so necessary. These days In any kind of project. So I'm really glad you've had it for this and also really in your career to do something like this. Thanks again you too. Now bye bye check out this cool and Exciting Project Space Command Movie Dot Com Worthy Project. That deserves your love and support. I can't wait to see what they've done till next time. This is Tony Talada This is Mike Project FI writer stock next generation these days nine Babylon five sliders and the new Space Command. And you're listening to five five talks.

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1253: Commitment Isn't the Starting Point by TK Coleman on Finding Purpose & Passion in Life Through Curiosity

Optimal Living Daily

09:10 min | 2 years ago

1253: Commitment Isn't the Starting Point by TK Coleman on Finding Purpose & Passion in Life Through Curiosity

"This is optimal living daily episode twelve fifty three commitment, isn't a starting point by TK Coleman of TK Coleman dot com and I'm just a molecule guy that reads to you every single day of the year, including weekends, and holidays. Tell you live a more meaningful and positive life. Today's both being from TK Coleman. He's a great podcast called office hours in a big thanks to Carboni for their support, Carbone a- has been helping people clean their homes for over a century products like the stain devil, or the two and one carpet cleaner are specifically formulated to go above ambience, a general multipurpose cleaner. Live life unstained shop Carbone dot com with code old for twenty percent off that. C. A. R B, O N, A dot com and code. Oh. L D for twenty percent off for now's get right to it as we optimize your life. Commitment is in the starting point by TK Coleman of TK Coleman dot com. In make waves. I wrote quote, if you're passionate about something, and you can't motivate yourself to take that first step, then your first step is probably too big, and, quote, this was a point, I made earlier on a recent episode of the minimalist podcast, where we answered questions from callers about goals when Ryan and Josh posted, the quote on Twitter someone asks the following question. What if you're passionate about nothing and still can't take the first step is a question here a lot. So I thought a tackle here on my blog where I don't have to abide by that character. Limitations on Twitter. Here's what I would say to anyone who doesn't know what to do, because they're, too overwhelmed by the process of trying to sort out what their life passion is don't force yourself to be too specific too soon before you try to figure out what you love take some time to follow up on what you like is that of seeking a about what you wanna do for your entire life, make a small effort to explore a few things that seem interesting. To you right now commitment, isn't the starting point for creating your life. Curiosity is too many people place. An unrealistic pressure on themselves to find their one true calling while overlooking the wisdom and directional clues to be gained from cultivating, a sense of wonder towards everyday life. We approach the process of finding our life path as if it's supposed to be like falling in love at first sight when it's really more like figuring things out on a first date. If you're not passionate about anything, then your first step is to release yourself from the pressure to be passionate about some- single specific thing, then give yourself permission to playfully explore, whatever you're curious about without feeling the need to marry it or monetize, it right away, repeat that process again, and again, until your knowledge of self begins to manifest in the form of creative impulses that you can't resist expressing exploring curiosities is like pouring water into a Cup if you keep doing it the water will eventually spill out in every direction, you'll have a condition called. Overflow being passionate about something is result of Creaney condition of personal overflow by consistently nurturing. Your sense of wonder when you consistently poor into your creative self, you'll start spilling over with projects and proposals at every turn and the best part about this state is that it's really difficult to suppress you go from asking, what should I do with my life to asking how ever gonna find enough time, do all these fascinating things my favorite description of the overflow. Stay come from Ray Bradbury, quote, if you stuff yourself will of poems essays plays stories, novels films, comic strips magazines music, you automatically explode every morning, like old faithful. I've never had a dry spell, in my life, mainly because I feed myself well, to the point of bursting I wake early and here my morning voices. Leaping around in my head like jumping beans. I get out of bed atrop- them before they escape. And quote, what bradberry a prolific science fiction, writer describes here. Is a total opposite of stressing out over ideas for what he should write about he spent so much time pouring into his creative Cup that he's always working from a state of overflow. Here's the thing about finding your passion life isn't going to just walk up to you and say, hey, you're a single specific passion. That I'm an assigned to you, and this will provide you with all the inside you'll ever need about what to do for the rest of your life. Life gives you questions. It sends a bunch of experiences your way in some of these experiences resonate with you. You can feel that resonance as the sensation of intrigue at various moments. You'll find yourself intrigued by certain types of conversations stories, topics, hobbies games, styles, etc. And you'll find yourself asking all sorts of questions about how those things work when those moments happen, your job is to follow your curiosities just as Alice in wonderland. Follow the white rabbit all the way down the rabbit hole until your life begins to intersect with the characters and ventures that seem uniquely. Designed for you. In what you'll wish you'd known Paul Graham writes, quote, you don't need to be in a rush to choose your life's work. What you need to do is discover what you like you have to work on stuff you like if you want to be good at what you do. And quote, do you think Shakespeare was gritting his teeth and diligently trying to write great literature? Of course not. He was having fun. That's why he's so good if you want to do good work. What you need is a great curiosity about a promising question. The critical moment for Einstein was when he looked at Maxwell's equations and said, what was going on here? It can take years to zero in on a productive question, because it can take years to figure out what a subject is really about to take an extreme example, consider math. Most people think they hate math, but the boring stuff you do in school under the name thematics is not at all. What mathematicians do the great mathematician, g h hardy said he didn't like math in highschool, either. He only took it up. Because he was better at it than the other students. Only later did realize math was interesting only later. Did he start to ask questions instead of merely answering them correctly when a friend of mine used a grumble because he had to write a paper for school? His mother would tell him find a way to make it interesting. That's what you need to do. Find a question that makes the world interesting people who do great things look at the same world everyone else does. But notice some odd detail that's compellingly mysterious and not only an intellectual matters and rewards. Great question was why do cars have to be a luxury item? What would happen if you treated them as a commodity, Franz Beckenbauer was in effect? Why does it have to stay in his position? Why can't defenders score goals to no one has all the important answers about what they're supposed to do? But everyone has interesting questions. They know how to pursue if he focus on getting all the important answers to soon, you'll stunt the development of character. Competence. In creativity that only chasing your curiosities can provide. So the key is this, prioritize the challenging questions that make you come alive? Over cookie cutter answers about how to make a living passion is like a flower curiosity is like a seed, your dream of building a wonderful garden will never be realized until you're willing to patiently, nurture, your small sees of curiosity, even though they look far more, fragile and unflattering than the beautiful end goal. You have in mind. Utilise into the post titled commitment, isn't the starring point by TK Coleman of TK Coleman dot com. I'll have some thoughts of my own, but I thank you again, to our friends at Carboni, everyone loves the feeling of a clean and well-ventilated home carbon has been innovating and refining their approach for over a hundred years, though, the cleaning experts and know how to create products like at the job done. Carmona has not one but nine specialty stain removers the stained devils product has been specifically engineered to remove the most difficult stains not stains are alike because of chemical properties. And that's why stained double is better than a multipurpose remover. You should pick the right product for the job and beyond stain removers Carbone has equally efficient products for your laundry, kitchen and washing machine. Live life unstained shop Carbone dot com with code old for twenty percent off that. C A. R B, O N, A dot com and code. Oh. L D for twenty percent off as IT ks post was excellent couldn't agree more my passions hobbies and. Studies jobs, everything has changed so much over the years and will likely continue to. So don't think you need to find that one big thing. Because for many, it doesn't exist, I could say right now mine is podcasting, but I'm always open and staying curious it. So mourned. I really love this post now leave you therefore today. Hope you're a great day. Have a happy Friday. I'll be back over the weekend where your optimal life awaits.

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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 135: Something Old Something New Something Spacey

GSMC SciFi Podcast

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GSMC SciFi Podcast Episode 135: Something Old Something New Something Spacey

"Golden state media concepts side podcast. Together we dive into the World Scifi science fiction from the episode of Star Trek Star Wars to the resident evil all the science fiction movie from the factor marvel or DC golden state media cut sets sight five cats. You'll never get sized stations the same way again it tastes sent awesome stats and thank yes. PODCAST brought to us is g asked him see podcast network. I'm your host today Keith. Cook I guess I can give you my last name right so welcome back to the show everybody this week. We're talking about a few different things. Mostly why why I keep talking about the same science fiction franchises. Every time I go to talk about why something is good or where. There's good symbolism things like that but what we're going to start in reverse order this week we're going to talk about something that's on the horizon in the science fiction world that I am super excited about and and this week what I am excited about for this year is the movie bloodshot. Bloodshot is based off of a comic book series and the Comic Book Series Is created by Kevin Van. Hook Don Parlin and Bob Layton It's in the valiant comics publication line and it started its run in nineteen ninety Vitoux November of nineteen. Ninety two. I would have been two years old. I was born in one thousand nine hundred ninety. Obviously if you can do math unless my birthday was in December Zimmer was born in eighty nine so two possibilities there. I'm not gonNA tell you which one bloodshot is. The main character is a former soldier with Regenerative and metamorphosed powers made possible through Nanhai injected into his blood which was part of where the name bloodshot it came from so the character in the movie played by Vin Diesel. He is killed during action and is revived using these Nanhai tes but the thing that makes this really interesting because I know surface. It sounds kind of boring. Oh it's kept in America. But instead of super serum he has a bunch of little robots in his body. It's our in his body. It's kind of like the Michael CRICHTON novel prey which was published in two thousand two and I'm actually really interested in reading that book. I love Michael Crichton. He wrote one of my favorite science fiction books sphere which I actually did a project on in eighth grade. I WANNA say I was super into twenty eight thousand leagues under the Sea. So sphere was like kind of a modern ish retelling of that story but it involved aliens potentially potentially and there's some adult content in the books. So you can imagine as an eighth grader. I was pretty pumped to read that book but anyway back to the subject a hand so bloodshot the character he dies. He is revived using Nano Bot nights which gives him superpower's because these little tiny robots will help like regenerate wounds enhance muscular and and other miscellaneous Performance abilities that bloodshot has but the caveat and this is what makes it interesting is that they also allow for the scientists who are working with this particular agency who control bloodshot the character to wipe his memory. So if you look at the trailer you'll see vin diesel. Who I think is is an excellent pick? I love Vin diesel and most of the just kind of like unapologetic action films. That he's been in He's just if he's been typecast his typecast as excellent for him So I think he does a good job with this type of stuff so the basic premise. The movie is that he originally wants to get revenge on the person who killed his wife. The person who killed his wife killed his wife because of his involvement in the military because he was in special forces at Cetera but as the trailer goes on its revealed that after he he kills that one person who thinks kills his wife they shut him down bring him in and then wipe his memory and then replace the person who he believed had killed his wife with another person so he is basically a super advanced hitman and the movie. The trailer kind of seems to play with the idea of like what is real to Vin diesel's character. Who can he trust? How can he gain control of his life of his own memories again? It just looks super cool and I am really excited about it. So moving onto what. It is or the main bulk of the podcast today. I wanted to kind nine of revisit. Some of the stuff that we've been talking about in previous podcasts Specifically the franchises this is an stories and books that I have been referencing when I've been talking about some of these storytelling concepts and things like that. That and I thought that now would be a really good time to kind of expand on why it is that I continually reference these particular stories or these particular movies. I guess a movie is a story. So why continue to reference these particular things things so first off. I WanNa talk about H. G. Wells H. G. Wells is an author from the late nineteenth to early talk with century. You would probably be most familiar. Anyone is probably GONNA be most familiar with Dr Moreau's island the invisible man. Dan and war of the worlds and also time machine H. G. Wells is considered by I a lot of people who are in the academic world of science fiction and literature to be the father of the modern science fiction novel even though he wrote Pretty prolifically kind of expanded into some other genres and part of what makes H. G. Wells books so memorable memorable and part of the reason why he's kind of credited with this idea of being the father of science fiction is that he was one of the first authors to acknowledge something called the plausible implausible. or You would probably be more familiar with the term suspension of of disbelief. This is essentially the idea that there is a level of by an that is expected of the reader or the viewer in order. Uh for the story to move forward. It's basically when you're watching star wars and you can say yeah. Okay I can believe in the force for the sake of being involved in this movie and H. G. Wells approach to this particular idea is seen in all all of his novels because he's quoted as saying that you can only convince a reader to believe in one sensational thing eh time. They can only suspend their disbelief enough to believe that someone accidentally discovered how to be invisible. Someone has figured out how to travel aval through time in a linear fashion either forward or backward his basic idea with using science fiction. Was that people. People no longer believed in the idea of magic so you couldn't explain those things through magic you could explain them through science hence science fiction and he believed that the setting of his story was supposed to serve as the Slyke relatable home base. Vase that you could return to. Which is why most if not all of his science fiction stories are set in pretty relatable settings there places that you and I could visit as individuals even though we can't do the things or experience the things that the main characters experience and and this could be intentional on H. G. Wells part it could also be that it's a reflection of his upbringing H. G. Wells very interesting character? So if you're interested in learning more about him I would recommend I mean his wikipedia page obviously but in addition to that. There is a whole whole branch of academics that just studies H. G. Wells. Which I think is pretty interesting that you could spend that much time on one person back to my point so why reference? His work so frequently in these podcasts. Wells is a master of science fiction. Storytelling thing for more than just the fact that he can get us to suspend our disbelief and buy into the story. He's really good at creating characters who we can relate to who have gone through some. I'm sort of experience that creates the science fiction world in itself so we as an individual can understand and what it is that the invisible man goes through because he accidentally becomes invisible because of his obsession with figuring out how to accomplish this task. The story of the time machine kind of has similar presents. Wirtz this obsessed scientist who wants to figure out how to do this particular thing and and he has all these other relationships. He has to prove that he can travel through time to other people and people laughing stock at some point during the novel as well L. and he gets into all these. I guess you could call them weird or fantastic situations because of his ability to travel through time using his time machine but but I do think that wells talent lies in the fact that he can so effectively solicit buy in from his readership. If you think about the context of when he was writing these things you'd think in the early nineteen hundreds. He's able to convince people into create a timeless story about a man who accidentally accidentally discovers how to be invisible or man that creates a time machine which is a term that was created by wells. It's not as time travel hadn't been like played around with in novels. Previous to what H G wells wrote in the time machine but he coined that phrase. That is is now ubiquitous. When you're talking about time travel unless you're talking about like comic books but I won't get into that that's their spoilers there anyway? And he's able to solicit an emotional response from his readers through our ability to relate to the characters that he has created created through our ability to put ourselves in the world that he has created and he was able to do that. Not only with pass generations. who had where where was just unfathomable unfathomable to think that there was an alien race that was going to come to earth and destroy large urge swaths of civilization at a time when such a concept was like just so outlandish you have things like Kasulu when these cosmic monsters that could hypothetically have come from outer space? But we don't really know where they're from and those are all like interesting storytelling Retali- omits but it's wells. WHO's able to get us to believe that those things could exist and a capacity that we could understand and that's part of what really separates him from other storytellers of his time? And what makes him kind of the father of the modern science fiction story. So we're GONNA take a quick commercial break and then we'll talk some more about a couple of other authors. Want to find out what movies to go see and check out the GS AMC movie podcast. It's your ticket to the latest movies whether it's a new blockbuster event romantic comedy or action flick. This show his got it all covered. They talk some what to go. See Now don't bother. What's hot on Netflix? And everything in between that's GMC. PODCAST DOT COM backslash movie dash podcast. When it's all about the movies it has to be this new show? Don't forget to like on facebook and follow them on twitter visit. GS MC PODCAST DOT COM for more INFO welcome back to the science fiction podcasts. The for the break we had just wrapped up talking about why it is that. I talked about H. G. Wells every week that I am hosting the show I apologize for bringing him up so frequently. I just think that his stuff is super great and we as science. It's fiction fans don't read it often enough so I highly highly recommend you check out some of the shorter pieces that he has the time machine. Gene is pretty short and easy to get through as the invisible man and those books are excellent if you are a science fiction fan and I think that there is just a whole. We'll untapped world of science fiction content in the realm of like actual books that a lot of people science fiction fans aren't familiar with because it's I mean ultimately let's just be honest it's easier to watch a TV show or a movie than it is to sit down and read a book. But I can't recommend to those books enough speaking of books. We're GONNA talk about another author who I love By the name of Ray Bradbury a ray Bradbury. You're probably familiar with because says you were forced to read one of his books in high school I know that most people read Fahrenheit four fifty one. It's kind of along the same veins of George Orwell's wells nineteen eighty-four except in my opinion. It's infinitely better than nineteen eighty-four and that is because the premise of Fahrenheit. Four fifty one. I mean it's kind of Meta in a funny way because it's about a society that has initiated thought control. It's a dystopia in society with thought control via televisions that double as cameras which is a horrifying one thing that is kind of happening currently and we should have a podcast. I might even just do an episode on all of the things that have been predicted by people who wrote these. They're not post apocalyptic but they're dystopia future science fiction books like Albert Huxley wrote. It's a brave new world. Also his name's not Albert. It's Aldus I have no idea. Why called him Albert? So we've got a brave new world we've got nineteen eighty-four and and we have in my opinion the best of that those popular distortion novels that you probably read in High School Fahrenheit four fifty one which she's just one of the numerous examples of excellent Ray Bradbury literature that is available to you but Fahrenheit four fifty. One is is a really good piece of science fiction and the illustrated man collection of short stories as well as the Martian chronicles collection of short stories. That Ray Bradbury wrote are are excellent examples of science fiction because of Ray Bradbury's ability to take the the human experience and put it into outlandish situations last week. We talked about short story where there was a religious this individual who was trying to go and preach to these spherical light based beings on Mars ars because he believed that they did not have any knowledge of the Judeo Christian God and that's one of the more metaphorical kind of like the`real stories from from the illustrated man short story collection. So one that might be more. relatable is This short story about these two children who are able to go into like a virtual reality room where they can experience all sorts sorts of things from other parts of the world or from the past that no longer exist and Ray Bradbury was writing this at a time when virtual reality was not even a concept that was on the horizon of technology and now we can read it and it has kind of like a similar impact but with much more realistic implications because because now virtual reality is something that is on our technological radar like you can go buy a virtual reality headset. And immerse yourself self in this world that doesn't exist and that virtual reality headset will trick your brain into thinking that what you're experiencing at least somewhat real depending on your ability to you suspend disbelief of course so back to the topic at hand. The reason that I am constantly bringing up Ray Bradbury and the stories that he writes heights as good examples of science fiction storytelling is I think probably the most the biggest part of of it is because he is able to instill in us this fear of the unknown becoming known so for example in Fahrenheit four fifty one one of the main antagonists is is this robot dog that they use to sniff out books in people's houses before they burn those books or burn down on the houses and in one particular case. Burn down the person in house to and part of what's so horrifying about that premise. This both to people in the past who would read it when it was first published and to us as readers now is that it it makes us reflect on how it is that what we think impacts the reality that we live in and what kind of things get to have control over our perception of that reality so ray. Bradbury is making the argument that books and education are the primary ways by which which people are socialized into the world and learn about what is real and what is not real and by controlling the flow of information information through the education system especially through books this dystopia in government is able to create a passive passive population who just goes with the flow and in addition to burning these books. The government creates these media programs grams. That are so consuming that it distracts people from the fact that they're really essentially being mind controlled by the government to believe. Leave certain things and so we have to face the fear of this unknown. What if the government was able to do this to us? With the power they have because of the power that we give them as individuals to can we give them our trust to do certain things in our lives and to run certain things. The unknown is like well. What if that power was taken to an extreme ray? Bradbury forces us to to realize that to actualize that concept in in Fahrenheit four fifty one and he continually does this in a lot of his science fiction works in the Martian chronicles. There's this kind of hilarious anecdotal story of the last man on Mars getting in contact with the last ask woman on Mars and the physical representation of the space And distance that people in relationships go through and it's funny because they go through all of the same things things that they would go through even if the world was completely populated. They have the same arguments in the same conflict. So it's forcing us to face this. This kind of like known thing slash unknown thing in a new way that is ultimately really kind of. I don't know if I want to call it terrifying this particular case but it is kind of scary to think that human relationships are so simple so transactional now that even though it. They're the only two human beings on the entire planet. They can't figure out how to get along so to to refocus right ultimately the reason that I talk about Ray Bradbury all the time is one. I want you all to read those especially Fahrenheit four fifty one and the the illustrated man short story collections. Because I think that they're really great and they give you just a profound look at what makes good science science fiction and a really in depth. Look at that and accessible but rape bradberry his talent and what makes him so good. As a science fiction writer writer is that he is able to portray things that are justifiably terrifying in a way a that forces us as individuals to actually try to face those things and actualize those concepts within our mind so so we have just a couple more things to cover as far as stuff that I have referenced every week for the last what three weeks now but we'll get to that right after this quick commercial break. Tired of searching the vast jungle of podcasts. Now listen close. And here's with this out. There's a podcast network that covers just about everything that you've been searching. The golden state media concepts podcast network is is here. Nothing less than podcast lists with endless hours of podcast cupboards from news sports music fashion looking entertain tape fantasy football and so much more so stop lurking around and go straight out to the golden state media concepts podcast network guaranteed to you build. That podcast is whatever it may be visit us at. WWW DOT GS MC podcast dot com. Follow us on facebook facebook and twitter and download on itunes soundcloud and Google play breath Welcome welcome back to the. US Embassy Science Fiction podcast. Not that you would have forgotten where you were but it just in case you forgot. My name is Keith We right before the break we're talking about. I was gushing about Ray Bradbury in how much I like the stuff that he's has written and I was recommending that you read it. We're we're GonNa talk about just one more author and I'm sure that if you've listened to the last three weeks of me talking about different things in science fiction you will know that we have not yet talked about enders game which is a science fiction story. I think it's the series. It's got several books in it There are two different main characters actors depending on which part of the series you're reading enters game. The original is by Orson Scott Card and it is basically the story of of a young boy who is like this could kind of fall potentially into that dystopia novel genre because it is a world in which the population of the earth is limited in their ability to have children Kind of the China's old rule of to the individuals on the earth are only allowed to reproduce if the government has told them that they want them to reproduce one of the big things that makes under unique is that I think he's the fourth or fifth child which is to past the number of children that you're supposed to be allowed to have as a family because this particular family had created had created their other children were so exemplary as individuals that the government. I want them to try again to make a child that was a little bit more balanced than the other children that they had had and had been enlisted. He may only be the third. I may a maybe off. They're just a little bit but ultimately that is kind of like a dystopia and premise and the reason that the children are are being forced into like military enlistment is because there is this threat from an alien species called the buggers slash four mix. Who are infringing on Human Space Quote Unquote and these children are being trained in like strategies and I guess physical trials are part of their their training? So they're basically being brought up as children to be soldiers in this army to stop the buggers and believe that part of the reason that they're being listed enlisted as children is because the bugger threat is a certain number of years away. At least that's what they're told at the beginning of the book and so they have to start start training now so that by the time the buggers get to this particular portion of space. Where humans are these? These children will be adults who are capable of fighting in this war and one of the really interesting things. That enders game does that. It's kind of a common thread. Is this idea of virtual reality. And I think it's part of what makes the series so great Even the battles that we get the spaceship battles that we get between the buggers and the Earth forces are D-. We're told they're they're being depicted through video games. So this this video game slash simulate slash simulation is portraying what a conflict with a buggers fleet of spaceships could look like and then in addition to that there there is a kind of like a recreational virtual reality game that the children get to play in their quote unquote downtime downtime. And part of the reason that those things are so great in the story is because they serve as excellent it places for symbolism and more indepth meaning within the story the primary example. Simple I would say is the giants playground in enders game or really all the interactions that ender has with giants in general in this virtual reality game that he plays in his like. I said quote unquote downtime. There there are these fantastic representations of real conflict the ender is going through in his life and in addition to that there. There is some kind of like supernatural seeming occurrences that are happening within the game. That don't happen for other their children which is part of what makes ender special ultimately at the end of the story and while there are a number of factors that all add up to make this such a great story that I'm constantly referencing. Think that the primary talent the primary reason that this is so good is Orson Scott Card's ability to take us into the inner thoughts and inner world of ender as a character her and to create a setting in which we can ultimately feel very human. Even though it's not a very three human setting because of the outlandish science fiction elements of that particular setting so the reason that I bring enders game up quite frequently is ultimately very similar to why I bring up H. G. Wells quite frequently because of of those authors ability to force us or trick us into suspending our disbelief so that we can engage in a more in depth the way with the story. So we're going to move on from enders game which again I highly recommend you read And hopefully I will stop bringing up all of these particular the references as frequently as I have been and we're going to move onto star wars. Which again impossible to escape star wars it is the ubiquitously Acknowledge College? Most popular science fiction franchise. It's just much more. Accessible than star trek to the science fiction layman but we already talked talks about that and the very first pockets that I hope you're interested in hearing more about my thoughts on that go back three weeks. Four weeks to the I think the podcast titles post something like Star Wars. Why we love it? And part of the reason that I will reference Star Wars quite frequently is because of George Lucas and the other writers who are involved their their ability to portray different aspects of the Hero's journey. Both with in the individual chapters of of the story I e like episode one episode two as well as within the overall story the Meta narrative of that particular the franchise in fact they are so good at using all these storytelling elements that when you're talking about the original trilogy in my opinion it's it's hard to know which one has which thing in it because you're just all of it kind of flows so seamlessly together. Each movie has within it. The fullness of a hero's journey and then all three movies together also have the fullness this of the Hero's journey and like I mentioned in that particular episode the Hero's journey is ubiquitously good storytelling Mechanism and of course there are similar to Andrews game. There's this slew of other reasons that I think that Star Wars is is ultimately Emmett Louis a good example of of good science fiction storytelling. But we're going to move on real quickly to the last thing. I referenced. Frequently the alien franchise the you know the original film by Ridley Scott and all the subsequent films. I talked a lot about prometheus last week week. which excellent film? If you haven't seen it definitely check it out. I think that the alien series does something similar to what Ray Bradbury does where it actualize. This is this aspect of the unknown in a way that is terrifying and accessible to us as individuals because it kind of brings the terror of the infinity of space into a being that we can ultimately imagine ourselves having an encounter with that being being the the Zeno morphs and also what that series does very effectively is talk about universal aspects of the human experience dance and the consequences of those aspects when there are other things for us to interact with outside of the immediate world that we know around us and the terror that that causes within US ultimately is what solicit so much engagement from people into to that particular series and of course these are just a few of the numerous reasons that I continue to reference all of these particular other stories. Another one of those reasons is because these have stuck out the most to me in. I like journey through Phantom of science fiction I have definitely seen gene and read other works of science fiction. There's other good movies out there. Aside from the Star Wars series in the Alien Series or annihilation relation which is another film that. I've referenced several times and if you haven't watched it yet you should definitely watch it. I highly recommend it but the reason that these things stick kick out because of their ability to engage with things that are familiar to us as individuals. And that's what I keep talking about with the idea of the human human experience. which is this kind of ethereal idea that people talk about in storytelling realm of like how can we capture things that are familiar to individuals and portray them in a way that is both accessible and sensational at the same time because we have to tell a story ultimately part of what what makes us love science? Fiction is the fact that it experiments with things that we don't know one of the main facets of science fiction is that it presents the consequences of things to us that aren't known it explores what if we could travel through time. What if there was a perfect Predator that had been accidentally brought to a place where there was a dense population of human beings? And how would we deal with that and then within in that story. That sensational thing there needs to be something that grounds us. And that's part of what H G wells was talking about with. You can only make some believe something sensational like one sensational channel thing at a time. That's why if Star Wars was about an alien we as individuals might not connect to it as much as we would. And when it's about Luke Skywalker so I'm sure that we will revisit it at least some of these things later on. I'm hoping to move onto different references and different material in the coming weeks and just to end the episode. I wanted to talk about something else. That came out that star wars related aside from the fact that they've announced a second season of the main delorean. I still haven't seen the first season I apologize. I know it's anathema on my part but they just announced the believe it was the seventh season Zain of the animated series the clone wars which is really exciting because the clone wars and the rebels. Computer `puter animated series have been place where Star Wars fans got to see some of the extended universe that was eliminated from cannon. Come to life. So I know that Admiral Thron is in rebels and he is a character from the thron trilogy in Star Wars which is arguably one of the best extended universe or series aside from the US involving series of Star Wars. But we can talk about those later. But I'm really excited about this last season of clone wars because it will hopefully resolve some things that came up in the most recent star wars film as well as things that had come up during the original seasons of the clone wars. So definitely definitely keep your eyes out for that if you're looking for more clone wars related content. There is a series of shorts that cartoon network work did back in the early two thousands. I want to say that is animated by the same team that did the TV show. Samurai Jack and each episode is only about five minutes long but that series is really really cool. I cannot recommend it enough. It's got a little bit of the history of Anna Ken. It's got ob one and it happens between episodes two and three. I believe that it's still cannon which is super cool cool because there's a little bit of an explanation of general grievous in there as well so if you're interested in more star wars content before the mandatory and second season comes out and the season seven of the clone wars comes out definitely check out that series really beautifully animated excellent storytelling retelling. So that's all I've got for you guys this week. Appreciate you listening to me Gush yet again about all of these science fiction stories. Raise that I think so highly of Just to review highly. Recommend you check out a couple of books by H G wells. Invisible man is one of the shortest super easy to read Checkout Fahrenheit. Four fifty one check out the illustrated man short story collection. And if you're listening to this you've probably seen star wars but check out that clone wars the animated clone wars by the same team. That did same Jack so thanks again for listening definitely hit the like button. 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Episode 09 - The Pendulum, by Ray Bradbury & Henry Hasse

Pulp

17:50 min | 8 months ago

Episode 09 - The Pendulum, by Ray Bradbury & Henry Hasse

"Like off off off Hi, my name is Jonathan pezza and welcome to episode 9 of the weekly podcast pulp where we as, you know, take a journey one page at a time through the literary underground of Pulp Fiction in this episode. We are going to take a look at the very first professional story from one of Science Fiction and Fantasy is most celebrated Minds most people living in the United States were like introduce to Ray Bradbury through his celebrated short novel Fahrenheit 451 that gave readers their first view into a dystopian future where the population was placated and fed a steady stream of propagandized mass media while the free sharing of ideas had been suppressed and books had been outlawed under the pretense that anything requiring nuanced thought is dangerous or offensive first published in nineteen fifty-three Fahrenheit those science fiction is considered essential reading on the dangers of government censorship as well as mass Conformity and it's the seventh most wage. Doubt book of all time in the New York Public Library a striking irony. However is how often Fahrenheit 451 itself has been publicly banned or censored but long before his Fame novel was Fanning the Flames of controversy Bradbury was just another young writer living in Los Angeles struggling to make a name for himself after discovering a flyer at a local bookstore and Barry joined the Los Angeles Science Fiction society, which included other burgeoning science fiction writers. That would also later go on to fame including Robert Heinlein Henry kuttner and Lee Brackett home in nineteen forty-one re received his first professional opportunity and sold the story the pendulum co-authored with Henry Haas for a fee of $15 the page him had originally been written for Bradbury self published fanzine future Fantasia, but made its debut nationally in the November 1941 issue of super science stories over him. Rear Bradbury would go on to contribute more than a hundred and sixty Works to pulp magazines through the nineteen forties fifties and sixties, but it all started here. The pendulum is short and Highway rhythmic and its pros. So in order to make sure we do the story Justice. We're going to break from our normal format. I hope you'll excuse us as we play these two brief advertisements before we begin so that we may present the story without interruptions. Thank you for sticking with us. I promise it will be well worth it. So without further delay sit back turn out the lights and let me tell you a story song. Up and down back and forth up and down the quick flick Skyward gradually slowing reaching the Pinnacle of the curve poisoning a moment then flashing earthward again faster and faster at a nauseating speed reaching the bottom and hurtling Aloft on the other side up and down back and forth up and down how long it had continued this way. Lakeville didn't change. It might have been millions of years. He'd spent sitting here in this massive glass pendulum watching the world tip one way and another up-and-down dizzily before his eyes off till the 8th. Since first they had locked him in the pendulum's round glass head and set it swinging. It had never stopped her changed continuous monotonous movements over and above the ground. So huge was this pendulum that it shadowed 100 feet or more with every Majestic sweep of its gleaming shape dangling from the metal intestines of The Shining machine overhead. It took three or four seconds for it to Traverse the 100 feet one way three or four seconds to come back down. The prisoner of time that's what they call him. Now now fettered to the very machine he had planned and constructed a prisoner of time a prisoner of time with every swing of the pendulum and echoed in his thoughts forever like this until he went in He tried to focus his eyes on the arching hotness of the Earth as it swept beneath him. They had laughed at him a few days before or was it a week a month a year off. He didn't know the ceaseless pitching had filled him with an aching confusion. They had laughed at him when he said sometime before all this he could Bridge time gaps and travel into Futurity. He had designed a huge machine to warp space invited 30 of world's most gifted scientists to help him finish his colossal attempt to scratch the future wall of time the hour of the accident spun back to him now through Mist in memory foam display of the time machine to the public the exact moment when he stood on the platform with the 30 scientists and pulled the main switch the scientists all of them blasted into Iraq ashes from Wild electrical Flames before the eyes of two million Witnesses who had come to the laboratory or were tuned in on television at home. He had slain the world's greatest scientists. He recalled the moment of shocked horror that followed something radically wrong had happened machine. He ladled the inventor of the machine had staggered backwards his clothes flaming and eating up about him no time for explanations. Then he collapsed in the Blackness of pain and numbing defeat swept to a hasty trial label faced jeering throng calling out for his death destroy the time machine they cried and destroy this murderer with it. murderer and he had tried to help Humanity. This was his reward one man had leaped onto the tribunal platform at the trial crying. No don't destroy a machine. I have a better plan a revenge for this this man his finger pointed at level where the inventor sat unshaven and Haggard his eyes failures a glazed. We shall rebuild his machine take his precious metals and put up a monument to his slaughtering will put him on exhibition for life within his execution in device the crowd roared approval like thunder shaking the tribunal Hall then pushing hands. J's in prison months finally LED forth into the hot sun shining he was carried in a small rocket car to the center of the city the back of what he saw brought him back to reality. They had to rebuild his machine into a towering timepiece with a pendulum. He stumbled backward urged by thrusting hands listening to the Roar of the thousands of voices damning him into the transparent pendulum had they pushed him and clamped it tight with well, then they set the pendulum swinging and stood back. Slowly very slowly it rocked back and forth increasing in speed level had pounded futilely on the glass screaming. The faces became blurred were only tearing pink blobs before him on and on like this for how long he hadn't minded it so much at first off that first night. He couldn't sleep, but it was not uncomfortable. The lights of the city were comments with tales that pelted from right to left like foaming fireworks, but as the night wore on he felt a gnawing in his stomach That Grew worse off. He got very sick and vomited the next day. He couldn't eat anything. They never stopped the pendulum not once instead of letting him eat quietly slid the food down the stem of the pendulum in a special tube in little round Parcels that plunked at his feet. The first time he attempted eating he was unsuccessful. It wouldn't stay down in desperation. He hammered against the cold glass with his fists until they bled crying hoarsely off, but he heard nothing but his own week fear act words muffled in his ears after some time had elapsed he got so that he could eat even sleep while traveling back and forth this wage. They allowed him small glass loops on the floor and leather thongs with which he tied himself down at night and slept a soundless slumber without sliding. People came to look at him. He accustomed his eyes to the Swift flight and followed their curiosity etched faces first close by in the middle then far away the right middle again and to the left. He saw the faces gaping speaking soundless words laughing and pointing at the prisoner of time traveling forever know we're off But after a while the town people vanished and it was only tourists who came to read the sign that said this is the prisoner of time John Lavelle who killed Thirty of the world's finest scientists the school children on the electrical moving sidewalks stopped to stare in childish off the prisoner of time often. He thought of that title God but it was ironic that he should invent a time machine and have it converted into a clock and that he in its pendulum should meet out the years traveling with time. He couldn't remember how long it had been the days and nights ran together in his memory. His unshaven cheeks had developed a short beard and then ceased growing. How long the time? How long? What's the day they sent down a tube after he ate and vacuumed up the cell disposing of any wastes once in a great while they sent him a book, but that was all. The robots took care of him now evidently the humans thought it a waste of time to bother over their prisoner the robots brought the food cleaned the pendulum that sell oil the Machinery worked tirelessly from dawn until the sun Crimson the westward at this rate you could keep on for centuries. But one day is label stared at the city and its people in a blur of ascent and descent he perceived as swarming darkness that extended in the heavens down the city rocket ships that cross the sky and pillars of scarlet flame darted helplessly frightening lie for shelter. The people ran like water splashed on tiles screaming soundlessly alien creatures fluttered down great gelatinous masses of black that sucked out the life of all they clustered. I look over everything glistened momentarily upon the pendulum and its body above over the whirling wheels and roaring bowels of the metal creature once a time machine off an hour later. They dwindled away Over the Horizon and never came back. The city was dead. Up and down label went on his journey to Nowhere In His prison a strange smile etched on his lips in a week or more. He knew he would be the only living man on Earth. Elation flamed within him this was his victory where the other men had planned the pendulum as a prison. It had been an asylum against them now. Day after day the robots still came worked unabated by the visitation of the black horde. They came every week brought food tinkered checked oil cleaned. Up and down back and forth the pendulum. Eight thousand years must have passed before the sky again showed life over the dead Earth a silver bullet of space dropped from the clouds steaming and hovered over the dead city were now only a few solitary robots performed their tasks. In the Gathering dusk, the lights of the Metropolis glimmered on other automations appeared on the ramp ways like spiders on twisting web screwing about checking oiling working in their crisp mechanical Manner and the creatures in the alien projectile found the time mechanism the pendulum swinging up and down back and forth up and down. The robots still cared for it oiled it tinkering a thousand years this pendulum had swung. Made of glass the Round Disc at the bottom was but now when food was lowered by the robots through the tube it lay untouched. Later, when the vacuum tube came down and cleaned out the cell it took that very food with it. Back and forth up and down. The visitors saw something inside the pendulum pressed closely to the side of the cell was the face of a white skull a skeleton envisage that stared out the city with empty sockets and an enigmatic smile wreathing. It's lipless teeth back and forth up and down. The Strangers from the void stopped the pendulum in its course ceased it's swinging and cracked open the glass cell exposing the skeleton to view off and in the gleaming light of the Stars the skull face continued it's weird grinning as if it knew that it had conquered something. had conquered time the prisoner of time level had indeed traveled along the centuries. And the journey was at an end. This episode was co-produced by Melissa star the music in today's episode was provided by epidemic music. We released a new episode almost every week. So make sure to subscribe for free on the that form of your choice. And if you can leave us a rating or review as we announced last week, we have a brand new website ww.w. Pulp the podcast, where you can learn more about the show and search episodes by genre and author. You can also follow the show on Twitter at Pope the podcast, or reach out to me directly via email Jonathan at pulp the podcast off. If you love science fiction and horror, please make sure to check out our sister podcast the Curious matter Anthology, which presents full cast cinematic audio dramas including a five-part miniseries adaptation of Philip K. Dick's tale of War Brotherhood and robots second variety. You can find Curious matter Anthology at ww.w. Curious matter podcast. You have a link on our website or wherever you listen to podcasts. I'm Jonathan PESA your host and thank you for listening.

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New Year, New Season, New Format

The Rookie Writer Show

15:32 min | 3 months ago

New Year, New Season, New Format

"Hi welcome to unsettling read season. Three episode one. If you've been listening you know that at the end of season two. I was talking about reevaluating how this show worked. And when i got started the idea was to almost do my own little. Mfa and help people at the same time and it served to hold me accountable to getting through a lot of books said stacked up over the years on writing and courses that i want to take on writing and it really didn't get job getting me through those so as realizing that more and more i was just looking for books and courses to be able to do the show each week so then i kinda open it up so it was every other week and i thought that might be a better pace for me. since i had gone through so many already i needed shift other things and towards the end of the season last year. I got to thinking. What is it that i want to get out of the show now and i wanna give back through the show so through that i realized that in some ways the show is been so amazing but also has caused me a lot of writing time in part because there was a lot of research and and then printing up you know writing up the show notes and just getting everything all squared up with all the links and all this kind of stuff so i thought about just completely giving up on it altogether and then in all honesty i went and looked at my show stats and i realize that there's a fair number of you guys out there listening. This is these numbers beyond my friends and family. And so i thought well. How could it continue to be useful to people that have been tuning in other rookie writers as well as useful to me so that i get more reading done and then it occurred to me i could use it in a way that walked people through the process of what it actually is like to put all of these things that we've been covering and all the all the season one and season two episodes putting those two to work to the test so rubber hitting the road and all those cliches. The way i'm thinking about this season and i plan to do it for year. We'll see how this goes. I am going to give you a peek behind the curtain. At what it's like to starting from scratch with just an idea. Maybe a few notes are maybe some research that you've done on an idea. Maybe even a first draft that you didn't completely love maybe a nanno project that was kind of meandering and Not ended up going where you wanted to go and you and you looked at. And you're like you know what i could harvest this piece of it and i think that that's the direction i want to go with my new work. Whatever it is if you are out there and you've been contemplating something like this and you're like this is my year. Then let's do it together so this is my plan. Come along with me this week. What i've been doing is kind of just getting things that up. It's been a crazy week nationally as we all know and my kids just finally got back to school on monday. Kovic is still throwing our nation for a loop on top of everything else. My partner on the end settling reads. Podcast has been down with her. Entire family has been super sick. So it's been a lot and so just getting my legs back under me getting systems going again finding my stuff getting organized has been plenty for this week and now that those things are starting to shape up. I've got my planner together. I've got my system my new morning routine where get up and get some exercise and i watch the morning news on the treadmill instead of while i'm eating my breakfast is little little sort of habit. Tweaks that are making me feel more energized and like taking better care of myself now that those things are sort of locked in or at least. That played is sorta spinning. If you think of lincoln circus when people are just spinning spinning spinning plates they get one spinning and then they go get another one spinning. So take a sack. Look around your life ask yourself of some of the things that you've been doing are still serving as well as you think that they have been. Are there ways that you can tweak them so that they serve you better this coming year like i'm doing with a show then once you sort of gotten a picture of what you're hoping to get out of this year a couple of things to try before next week when we check in with each other again i find a buddy even with robin being sick. It's been so great to have a partner in crime with some of the projects that i'm working on. It just makes you more accountable. You have somebody checking in on it. Someone that cares as much about it. Is you do if you can find a writing partner. Then you're you're very very lucky and it's an amazing thing do that if you can't think start opening up to finding one by going to the places where they might be whether that's taking a class in your local area and there's tons of online classes even through your local continuing study things. I guarantee they've figured out how to do. Zoom there's also things like writing organizations again all linked to a previous show where i went into the different organizations based around different genres for instance so i recently made sure that my membership sisters in crime and the horror writers association and the horror and the horror writers association. Not the horror writers change. Anyway we're up to speed. And i like to go and kind of see what's happening with with works in the genres. What people are doing maybe pick a class every once in a while. Because they're usually pretty inexpensive and usually pretty solid you can interact with other Writers of you can see what kinds of things are trending. It's just it's a great place to start so if you're not already doing that that's another thing to say all right i'm gonna go check out that link furthest show covered all of the john ras a look at the one that got me most excited and i'm just going to spend five or ten minutes kind of checking out one or two of these organizations to see if it's the kind of thing i might wanna join memberships usually like fifty bucks a year. Maybe and see if that might be a good place for you to start feeling like you're assembling your team so to speak your semmering people around you so to recap this week. If you've got your legs under you. If you re visited your ideas about what it is you want out of this year and the ways that your systems can help work for you instead of you working for your systems and if he can start thinking in terms of finding teammates even virtual ones there are so many options out there for you to come into contact with other writers and every time you do a step tim feeling even more emboldened with your own work because you realize that a lot of your fears are the same fears. Everybody has a lot of your struggles are the same struggles. Everybody has and you start to feel like okay. This is just the price of poker. This is something. I just have to barrel through. Sometimes you can get other ideas about how people handle it some in their own way. That can be useful. This is the kind of thing that you're going to benefit from by getting to know other writers so this week what i am doing is i have gotten my ducks in a row. I've assembled the things around the writing project the big writing project. I wanna do this year. I'm gotten the materials all in one place all the little scraps of paper all the little notebooks all the files and the random notes put my phone and in slack and in evernote i put them all in one place where i can find them and i started to go through them a little but mostly what i did was evaluated my systems working for me or am i working for my systems. You want them to be working for you. Not the other way round. Do i have people around me that can help me access even better that part of me that my create a part by inspiring me by encouraging me. And that's a lot for one week. If you've heard tiffany hans raise your hand. Say yes podcast. This show will be a little bit more towards the end of the spectrum than it has been the past which means it's going to be a little more loose. It's going to be a little more conversational. It's going to be less editing and fewer links and research. Because in this case what i'm sharing my experience of what it's like to take all those resources which i again we'll still put in the show notes. The ones that i use in reference but taking them and showing you how somebody goes from an idea through the planning through the organizing planning out your story of your planner like i m writing it revising it finding an editor or critique partner getting it ready to either go out to editor if you're indie publishing or sending it out to an agent if you plan to traditionally published and how to go about doing that and then going through that process of either seeing it through publication or seeing it through the query process so that you're getting that work out the door and then starting a new project again also while that big project that i in this series is happening. I'm also going to be doing something. That robin and i are calling the bradberry challenge and that is in reference to ray bradbury saying once that you cannot right fifty two bed short stories in a row so he urges you to write one short story a week because you cannot write fifty two bad ones in a row. Sooner or later you're going to write a good one so we're doing. The bradberry challenged up our output. That means we're trying for fifty two short stories this year. Now short stories could be anything. We're including micro fiction so anything from two hundred and fifty words up which is one page now to be fair. That sounds easier but sometimes the shorter shorter ones are the hardest ones to right but like a thousand words is kind of sweet spot. You can usually do those pretty quick getting through that pile of ideas. That i've sort of had these little old. That'd be good for a short story getting all those organized. Because i'm moving on with his bradberry challenge. And then also robin i through our other. Podcast unsettling reads are releasing. Our first anthology hopes screams attornal. It's an a collection of short horror sci fi and fantasy fiction. We are still accepting submissions. So if you go to do duo trope were listed there or you can just go to our website which is unsettling reads dot com. And you can see that might be a good fit for one of your stories. Deadline is february. Twenty eighth so between getting my own book. The first in a series out the door reading short story every week and keeping up with the podcast for unsettling reads and releasing the unsettling reeds anthology. That feels like a lot and it is a lot but in my case. I'm fortunate in that. Do this fulltime right now. And my kids are big. So they don't need me to like fixed their breakfast and that kind of thing. Different challenges with kids and different kinds of Disrupters but this is why. I say this week when i really want you to do. Take an assessment of where you are. Just take a second look at your systems. Look at your goals. Look at your strengths and weaknesses of your whole picture. Not just your anything. Don't sit down give yourself some obscene amount of work without taking into context all of the other demands on your time and all of the things that might be going but also don't sell yourself short and think that you can't do it you're not capable. Somebody else has a better deal. That's why they're able to do everything and you're not able to do it. Because you've got xyz. Find what feels like a good challenge. Just a little just a tiny bit past your comfort zone. Just little reach. Just push yourself a tiny bit but don't shoot so far that you get burned out you give up and it's unsustainable. Okay well more recap number one. Check your goals. Are these still which you want them to be. Are there other things you consider other things. You might think about trying. Just take a second of evaluate. Why you're doing what you're doing what you hope to have done by the end of twenty twenty one and to check your systems. Are they still working for you or are you working to maintain your systems. Don't do that make sure your systems worked for you. Make your life easier. Not harder number three. Find some people to be around. You collect your team. If you can find like i've been so lucky to find robin and i'm also very lucky because i have another group actually have i have an abundance of riches of writing groups at this point because that's part of what i've been doing for the last couple of years is really reaching out to other writers as to connect them to each other creating slack groups creating in person groups and i've been very fortunate that people have said yes we've been able to mostly maintain it even through covid every bit of those in that investment in those relationships and those connections has paid off in spades. The wisdom of the people in my reading groups has helped me through a lot of tough writing challenges. And i know that if you find your crew they will do the same for you start local locals easiest but also branch out. Check out those writing organizations that match up with genre that you most enjoy reading and writing. You'll find other like-minded passionate people. Encourage yourself to take a little bit of time and find those connections. Find him on twitter. If you need to just keep looking for your writing friends because they only will increase the chance that you will get where you want to go and that you will help them get where they wanna go. It's not a zero sum game. It's a rising tide raises all boats kind of thing. Okay good summary. Hope so find your goals. Check your systems. Start assembling your teams. That's enough for this week. If you can also assemble all that pile of stuff that you've been putting in random places on cocktail napkins. Maybe everything's cocktail. Who goes rates things that cocktail napkins. Whatever in your phone on your Notepads in your computer. Wherever get all those notes together on that big project that you're going to do in two thousand twenty one get them all in one place. Check them over again. Get ready to use them starting next week. So i hope you'll come along with me. I think this will be useful to see behind the curtain and see the process of how little pieces at two things demystified a little bit see that everybody stumbles and then gets back up. See that everybody shoots for things and has weird things. Come up and set some behind on their schedule. Some weeks they get launch way ahead and it's a killer week and they just can't believe how much they get done. You're going see all those things to see the challenges of learning new things of facing rejections of all the normal things that come with this crazy ride that wheel decided to take and what i hope is through that process. You'll be embolden. You'll be encouraged and then you'll go do even more with what you were put here to do. Which is share your stories with us. Bring your voice to the scene and if help do that and it helps. Keep me honest about my writing goals. then man. This thing was a wild success. This little venture. That will be everything. They'll be awesome. So that's it for this week. Share it with a new writer that you think might benefit from this as well or even one. That's been doing a little bit. Needs a little encouragement everybody's got their superpowers. One of my strengths is enthusiasm. I am here to bring the enthusiasm for your writing gigs. We just got a check in every once in a while. And i will be bringing it. I promise okay all right people. I think that's all i've got for you this week. It's a completely different vibe. it's a completely different format. Let's see how this works for us. So i guess until next week. Happy writing people.

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Triangulation 415: Shel Israel: Human-Augmented AI

Triangulation

1:05:52 hr | 1 year ago

Triangulation 415: Shel Israel: Human-Augmented AI

"Folks I'm Denise Howell and next up on triangulation. Shell Israel joins me. He's an author and consultant and we'RE GONNA go way back to nineteen fifty six and one hundred and twenty years years into the future to discuss a I immersive technologies the intersection between the two and when if ever any of these technologies will be safely ready for prime time join us on triangulation issue love from people you trust this is this is triangulation episode four. Hundred Fifteen fifteen recorded September twentieth twenty nine thousand nine hundred Shell Israel. This episode of Triangulation is brought to you by Ziprecruiter. Hiring isn't easy but there's one place you can go where hiring is simple and smart that places ziprecruiter where growing businesses connect to qualified candidates try it free at Ziprecruiter procuder dot com slash triangulation folks. I'm Denise Howell and your here joining me and Shell Israel for triangulation today day. Shall is an author consultant. A general person who knows things knows lots of things about cutting edge technologies allergies and it's such a pleasure to have you here on the show today. Show thank you denise. I hope I don't fall apart after that intro but thank you I have followed your career as a newer of things for for many a long year we were trying to decide before the show whether we've actually met face to face before. We're not quite a hundred percent sure that that's ever happened so I'm thrilled to have the chance to sit down and have a lengthy and fun conversation with Hugh here today which is of course the format of this show we get together with big thinkers in the realm of technology the and tech journalism and innovation and and consider things so today what prompted me to want to sit down and consider things with you. Today I shall is you to a wonderful newsletter that people should subscribe to if they are not already doing so it is called. ISDN which stands for for it seems to me and you recently did ascend about human augmented ai that I found pretty fascinating and a good chomping off point just sort of forgetting into what you're you're thinking about pondering paying attention to these days. I know you're working on a new book right. Yes that's kind of working slowly on it but it's along the theme of the talk which the working title is augmenting people why should a backup rather than push us out so for a while there you seem to be paying a lot of attention into a are VR and in fact before the show there's another great podcast that I listened to sort of touch base with with what you've been working on and thinking lately and it was on the x Sar podcast it was last year very good talk there and I'm just wondering before we get into talking about. Ai or maybe as we blend the two because there are intersections what's going on in in the realms of Ar Vr and do you think there is exciting as you did for a while because it seemed to be your primary focus there for a bit we'll the primary refocus was for book that came out a few years ago called transformation in two thousand sixteen. I was is a genius who predicted that by about this time. The center of a digital life would be something that looked like the eyeglasses. I'm wearing today rather than the phone which is the current center of digital life and since we're still looking at our our phones and not through glasses. I obviously wasn't quite right a are immersive technology jay rather than going into all the extra and the irony of variables it it just it will come along but I think it will be far more slowly than I thought it would be an predicted in the book doc but meanwhile his like oxygen it is becoming part of all things digital it's transformational to business and to society and while Ar and Vr still important to me and and I still write about it and I still follow it and I'm involved with onto organizations eight. They'll be Lee. VR A are much much more focused on where a is going and I'm probably at this point enthused and alarmed to equal portions which goes back to that blog post you mentioned enthused in alarmed unequal portions in what that reminds me of is at. It's something hopefully you got a chance to see. I shot a couple of links a not carson's way but Anthony's way in the studio before the show and one of them is to this incredible pointer that we had from Harry mccracken over at Fast Company two thousand nine hundred sixty television chat much like the chat we're having here today that was all about the subject of machine learning and artificial intelligence in the year nineteen sixty the guest was jerome be wiser wiser or Weezer who was then director of MIT's research media research laboratory of electronics and later. MIT's president and he was interviewed by David Wayne. WHO's an actor that as soon as you pull this thing up and start watching it. If you're a certain age you'll recognize him and I. I haven't made my way through the whole thing. It's rather lengthy. I think I'm about three quarters of the way through A. I'm wondering if you've got the chance to take a look at this at all either the article I see we were told not to talk over each other and I just I was busy before this show so reconfiguring Mike Computer so it could be on the show so I didn't see this. I didn't know you sent it to me but this is even before. I got interested in it as a matter of fact it's when I was still in high school in the wheel was being developed Some people had real vision of what would go on. I'm looking at the visuals as is are the people who are actually watching twit TV leaving and I can see what they're illustrating in and it's all part of the issues that we're still talking about. That was the the thing that was so fascinating to me about. This video is that it's still timely. It's yes it is so queen in Hokey and one of them smoking a pipe and the other one's smoking a cigarette and it is definitely of its era nineteen sixty but when you get into the substance of what they're talking about I mean I'm sure the field has come leaps and bounds in fact. There's no doubt that it has interim the one of the use cases they show is a gentleman playing chess against the computer and of course computer and not chess checkers chess was is too much at that point but checkers worked and various other things you know handwriting recognition and other things but there's a lot of talk about the brain the way it works and how biological entities learn and what is instinct and what is learned and how that factors into machine learning and so. I I commend it to people because I really think it's a great sort of very early days breakdown the jibes very well with where we still are today and you were talking about a are in Vr. Maybe not fulfilling not moving along as quickly as you thought they might i. I feel like that happened to these folks talking about. Ai In nineteen sixteen certainly in one thousand nine hundred fifty six which is when the article says the term firm artificial intelligence in thinking along these lines was actually coined so I bring it up just because I think to set the stage for our topic today is that well many things have changed since nineteen sixty. Some of the big problems and challenges are still very much there and and I think that is a good segue into talking about your send about human augmented a tell it tell us about augmenting being versus is it replacement is that the terminology used I think the call is well. There are two schools else I don't WanNa get too overly technical but back then at Mit Marvin Minsk unscathed was pushing school of a I and developing the first neural network and he seems to be linked to a school of thinking that says this stuff should replace human endeavor will all sit around under apple trees and meet our Adams and eves and life will be good because we don't have to work and machines will take care of everything the West Coast a little later there was a school primarily started by the Doug Angle Bart and a few other pretty bright people. This had no no humans need to stay in the loop at all times if you remove us from the loop the very meaning of what it is to be a human being disappears and that argument led to several things you could say the years where everybody stopped doing a mint ski incited that with with what is called the eye winter in the early two thousands but we are still doing things with all the variations of machine learning and pattern recognition and big data that was being talked about from being perceived that the video that you showed the things that freaked out viewers in one thousand nine hundred sixty should still be freaking people out now there is this point where technology could do all the thing that it it's not even close to doing yeah our understanding sarcasm feeling emotions actually cheering for a team team rather than pretending to do these things that is inching forward at a speed. That's probably equal to the technical. The cold difficulties made virtual reality less than the household must have item that I predicted it would be back in two thousand sixteen with still dealing with enormous ethical issues about the meaning thing of what it is to be a human while we're still having technologists doing what technologists have always done which which is inventing ship because they can is the same reason Wales Jump Hundred Ton Wales or whatever they way jump out of the ocean because that's why scientists say s because they're itchy from barnacles. I think they do it because they can't and you give a good engineer. A problem and say can't be done and give them the tools to make it doable for the first time ever. They're going ahead and I'm doing it and they're going to go ahead and do it because that's what it's all about. That's where the financial opportunities are. That's what the intellectual challenges are but there's no one at any point in the equation saying. Should we do that. You know what happens to humans when they don't drive cars anymore. Four thirty thousand people will be saved every year but we're not quite sure. That's how it's going to come out as has it been pointed out several times. There are these unknown unknowns. seemed to keep popping up and keep slowing that down but what has happened with. Ai Is it's become like oxygen is. I think I said a few minutes ago. It's everywhere. It's going into all all things. It is supposedly helping humans in all ways but nobody's asking US humans corporations. Doing what corporations should you do which is serve shareholder needs and the competition's doing this stuff they better do it and they better hire better technologists to do it faster and the bigger so they can be more profitable but at the end of that you have some pretty knowledgeable people like Elon Musk like well. There's a whole list of them. Bill Gates who have started to express concerns about where a is taking us. What are your specific concerns along those lines What's your biggest one because it appears you have a few you know I have. I wrote a book about what I have yeah. I think if humans are out of the loop the machine start serving machines the science science fiction writers of the past. I think Ray Bradbury had a short story wasn't even as best but I think I can do about a paragraph graph which is an came to pass in the twenty third century. The great machine was built by all the scientists and sears of the world and the machine would be equipped to know all things that all humans had new then and had always known and we're and to that were added things that they may soon no enduring the time machine was built a big war or was create a ensued and all of humankind almost all of humankind was wiped out so there was still only one person left and he was the keeper of this machine sorry for the sexism but Bradbury wrote this in the fifties and he finally finally got the machine to work an into it he asked the question. The universal question that all of humankind had wondered is no. Oh and that question is is there a god in the machine hesitated for a second and from the screen a lightning bolt came out and zapped the last human on earth and then at zapped the place where the machine was plugged logged into a socket in the wall and said there is one now wow that's chilling yeah I I that was a life changer for me when it was about ten years old that brought me into thinking of Isaac Asimov laugh and the fact that robots were definitely GonNa come in their purpose needed to serve humans because if they didn't serve humans wins they would become more efficient and capable of replacing humans and the logic would say if we were now inefficient to to make the planet more efficient. They should eliminate us and we could go in that direction. We had the same argument when we started having astronauts. You'll remember well. Maybe you've read or saw the right stuff but we we're GONNA put monkeys in outer space and we started off putting monkeys and outer space until the Russians put a real human up there and cut much better. Pr Than we we were getting with our monkeys and our best pilots would say well. We don't WanNA beep astronauts. We're pilots. We fly planes. We don't want to be spam in a can the and we don't WanNa just sit there in that debate ended up giving us heroes are astronauts and now is time goes on. We're starting to replace them again because humans get old and die and machines don't and so when we start exploring outer space it's inefficient and unwise we'll have to colonize Mars I and then start breeding babies to go to Jupiter and so on and so on into outer outer space so I'm afraid of the future of humankind. I think there is a real danger. It has always seemed unlikely. It's always seemed somewhat sci-fi ish but we keep taking steps in that direction. I watched very closely the debate about fully autonomous cars. You might have guessed that by this point that I'm not a believer in them. I love putting being little facebook pictures of things that we're up to with these cars and then asking the question what can possibly go wrong they get great answers every time and many of them are really funny and I noticed you laugh yes. There's always something they can go on yeah. There is always something going on so a Sullen Burger. I forgot his real first name but he was the pilot late on. US Air fifteen fourteen the miracle on the Hudson had he done what the computer told him to do. He would have flown to an airport that he could not possibly have reached in steadying Nord Lorde. The instructions he was getting from flight control was listening to a computer and did something that the computer never would have thought he did something very humid and he says I'm GonNa land on the Hudson River and he did something that machines couldn't do because he had all this experience he was a pilot pilot. He knew exactly how to land it and he took a thing is something like three hundred seventy five thousand one shot and he landed properly properly and nobody was landed and he became a hero. Would we've given the ticker tape parade the we gave to sully to R. Two D. Two if he had landed on I mean we humans are about human endeavors where we're about mental challenges were about competing with each other. We're about either destroying or saving the planet depending on what side I prevails in most of the it's too close to call right now that scares the hell out of us. The why should we be scared if everything can go john just fine without us if our little clones kin see how much moisture is needed in the irrigation by the wheat field so we don't don't need farmers out there anymore and they can just stay home and I guess trust our government to take care of us because if machines. Sheen's doing all the work. I'm not sure what a Oh. I guess our government wouldn't exist anymore because we could have machines to make all the right decisions. What could possibly go wrong with that. I think you're you're spinning out a number of Scifi plots that someone can pick up on and follow in the Ed steps of Ray Bradbury. So so let's let's go ahead and try to do that except I keep trying to write nonfiction and and the line between the two is getting very very blurred. God well. Let's let's talk about nonfiction for a moment and this concept that you've been discussing especially with your sully example you of augmenting. Ai With humanity and I have a bunch of questions like about that. I want to get into the specific example of this security company that you highlighted Which is this called? What is it called again. Jeep Sentinel yes do percents humor. She doesn't it it. I just I feel like they were inspired by deep mind and then called deep settle but it's based in Pleasanton and it so they're doing something pretty interesting and very commonsensical as far as I'm concerned because one of the you mentioned your biggest fear is sort of very apocalyptic my biggest fear could go that way but in the more short term it's more what you're alluding eating too with self driving cars that were in a rush to implement these technologies and put them in planes and cars and things and and businesses and and have them as you say they're like air having decisions made by machines that are programmed by humans and you know taught their machine learning unlearn methodologies by humans that are biased end imperfect themselves. I just I feel like all. This stuff is far from being ready for our prime time. maybe as far maybe not quite as far but comparatively speaking still pretty far away like we were in the sixties sixties and yet as you say it's becoming air so that's my concern is that we're just trying to rush and I love this concept of accompanied deciding and and in the case of airlines of course it's a matter of safety in concern that we're going to use these tools but we're going to make sure that there are checks and balances on them so tell us about deep sentinel and how they're doing that well. I could read you the article but that would be cheating and I wrote a a couple of months ago so I may be often. Some of my details an excuse me I have an allergy and I keep coughing into the microphone and somewhere you're in the background is a guy who's falling off his chair and holding his ears in pain every time I do it then I do apologize anyway in he looked he began this company because he was trying to find the a burglar alarm system for his home after his baby was born and he discovered the they don't work right. They don't work says the people were stolen think they do. They don't warn the police. The police aren't gonNA come and the people who are supposed to be watching your home. Our Monitor's have no training about how to watch for bad guy have no way of Vini when Bagai it comes in they just burglar alarm companies make money in the police right these reports and they go into file folders. I guess they're now virtual folders and nothing ever happens and he has the stat to back it up so he decided added he would improve human intervention with deep sentinel where he has former cops who sit in a room and behave save sort of like UC actors playing secret service people on West Wing. Doing their job is to protect property and if they see an intruder cruder come to your porch. They don't have to alert the police. They start talking to say hey. What are you doing there. Why are you picking up that package that packages and for you and the person says. Oh you're recording. I don't trust you and they say oh yeah. How do I know that you're wearing a red shirt and Tam dance so what he has done. That interests me the most is he has reinserted the human into the home security loop. Just when everybody is getting getting nicely happily relaxed that they are protected by I won't name any burglar alarm companies as only a couple of them and if you're using them I suggest you call up your local police department and ask them how they treat burglar alarm footage yeah because what they get is analog videotape that this supposed to sit and study about a crime that by the time they get at several days of Garn by the criminal was out of the neighborhood and the quality of it is grainy anyway and the lighting is bad anyway so they don't have anything they they can use and less by coincidence the same guy same heightened built same outfit is apprehended some other time and the police. I would prefer to be riding. 'em patrol but of course his budget cutbacks so unless you live in the highest crime area your burglary will go undetected because the police don't patrol affluent neighborhoods anymore like they used to. I think the story is important because these kinds of adjustments need to be made the idea of the autopilot car or cars with no steering wheel it all begins with the car being taken over by AI and leaving the human to supervise the car and that's why we're starting to get a an increasing number of videos showing the person being paid to supervised falling asleep same reason we fall asleep when we're riding on buses trains or an airplane. We're not doing them sitting there and Dan humans don't do good work that way when the had the wheel when the foot is near the brakes and the gas pedal in the going down a crowded added street and there's a shadow behind that car over there they can't fully awake are chemistry starts pumping. Adrenalin heart starts arts beating our eyes. GET LARGER PUPILS DO THE REVERSE OF WHATEVER DILATION has and we're paying attention we're eliminating eliminating what makes humans different from either machines are other animals were eliminating that combination you talked talked about between our ability to learn learn fast and our instincts. I don't know that we can define where cognition comes in in in instincts go out. There is something in our wiring. It doesn't come close to and I said I R I mean. We don't come close to that anymore. We don't understand it and yet there. Is this this rush and I am not. I am all for business. I'm pro business in lots of ways except we have a problem that the purpose of a corporation corporation is to increase shareholder equity and that means they need to get the thing out faster than their competitor or does and that means to get the thing out they need to to round corners if not just cut him off completely and when they're around corners they increase risk risks that machine learning tells of big data tells us is very very minimal but we don't know going back to sell his line. There are too many unknown unknowns when we removed the steering wheel from car things changes in all those engineers can sit around all they won't want but they won't know what really is going into happen until it happens they test millions and millions of miles of highways usually in rural areas. There's of Arizona near Desert's. Have you ever been to a row where those that very famous rotary near the coliseum this absolute pandemonium this motorcycles and pedestrians as dogs walking this all this craziness going on. There's a cargo in the other direction and miraculously. They almost never have an accident there. That's because humans are there. They know this is different than anywhere else in Rome. They know that this danger here. They are doing human human things that paying attention. They're looking for things that they shouldn't be expecting to happen. Machines don't do that. They calculate probabilities rob abilities. They are based on things that have already happened and the the the the the recognize patterns but patterns filled with surprises when humans are involved because we humans are wonderfully surprising that wonderfully surprising can easily get us killed. There is a time that's gonNA come in the near future and this is a little off subject but is related. I think we're going to have more drivers killed through through texting than through drinking or using other drugs behind the wheel we humans no. It's dangerous to do that behind the wheel. There have been campaigns advertising campaigns mothers against drunk driving that have reduced the amount of imbibing behind the wheel so that number's going doubt you meanwhile I think last year ten thousand Americans died because somebody was texting while driving what's going on here. What's going on here as we head and unknown unknown when we all cut our phones and we found out we could tax people by using the phone numbers and we had a whole new way of talking walking to our friends. We didn't think that one of these days just entering that comment that you just noticed on on your phone holder while driving and you just click and you hit like as a baby steps out as as a stroller rolls out from in front of a car and you're going by a comfortable thirty five miles an hour and a twenty mile an hour zone yeah that's an unknown unknown tone and that's when I can name because that's already happened right what happens when we have these cars not driving around. Tempe but driving around around Beijing or or or or Rome or London or any other crowded congested place where there is a confluence fluence pedestrians bicyclists skateboarders roller skaters. F- animals that are unleashed. We just don't know what's going to happen happen and if we take our time and do it right and gradually over generations reduce the role of the human we're GONNA kill a whole lot of people and all these people who've crunch numbers and tell us we're going to mmediately save thirty thousand Americans Americans each year and hunt. I don't know the global number once we have all these cars. They haven't even consider what happens when we how do we create cars hearing automated car sharing a highway with passenger with human driven cars to we have separate lanes. Do we start reducing the lanes that humans have the right to drive a car in to eventually have highways that we must build old that are only for automated cars. How many details have not even been looked at. Why are you know anyway. I'm babbling appaling rather than conversing so I'll start raising really good points and I I do have questions about them. My primary question as we talk about you know the fact that I think both of us kind of feel like self driving cars are are coming quickly and and they're going GONNA be lots of issues with them. and in the framework of this concept of human augmented a I the deep sentinel lil scenario works really well for that because we're talking about cameras pointing not into somebody's private life but outside their home into a public space this where then you know. I think just about everybody. can feel pretty good about okay well. If there's something against against the law or about to be against the law that's going to transpire there and there's a way to intervene and sort of pre crime that and make sure it doesn't happen or at least discourage it from happening that that's a good thing but I have a harder time coming up with a scenario for how a human augmented. Ai Solution works for self driving cars. Are we constantly. GonNa have cameras on the driver word determining whether they're paying attention and overseeing the is functions. I don't think anybody's going to buy into that. Do you have another kind of solution solution. That might work I. I don't know that that I do either but I think that this concept of human augmented. I is a good one but the down in the details that might get sticky the devil they used to say God is in the details on the devil is maybe that's the same power. I don't know but I do know that there is no machine on earth is anywhere close to understanding the variables of human behavior and we can look at the situation now now and freak out at how many humans are getting killed by cars every year while the truth the matter is does that number was closer to fifty five thousand back in the sixties when that video you showed earlier was around so cars are getting safety safer safer. We don't use a our you seatbelts hours a big one. We reduced speed limits on highways back. When we had in an energy crisis we thought that would be the energy crisis and that actually saved lives too but now we have the o. How are machines we have deep learning we we we can go out and change the world and there's all kinds of institutions buying in and insurance companies would much rather have lawsuits against Ford Motors than against your me and if there's nobody driving the car obviously Veasley the carmakers going to be at fault you know the construction industry is all four because there's going to be retrofitting going on on highways everywhere there there's all kinds of economic interests. But how many years will it take before what we learn. MM kills fewer than thirty thousand people on the highway every year in America through having no human striving than now now. I think that goes beyond the lifespan of my great grandchildren and I don't see how you you fix that without real time driving real time. I tried to miss driving in a variety of situations in which are not being done very little. Autonomous Driving has been done in cities in the results of that have of not been as forthcoming is I would have thought they would be. There's been a lot of companies who were pretty sure. They were ready to do this and they backed off. I have some of them know a lot about cars. Toyota being one of them whether this is Tuesday Thursday means Tesla is either therefore against fully autonomous cars. I don't know which which it is on a Friday so I don't Z. Anytime in my grandchildren's my youngest grandchild is ten. I expect she's going to live longer than me so let's make a hundred and twenty years. I don't see any time in that period. When we will solve the problems of fully autonomous cars urge you? I think we will have solved some of them but that others will present themselves that we haven't even thought not yet and yes and Andrea before we got into a I we had cruise control. We still have you know I'm in. I thought it was a marvel of science that when I was on cruise control and the car came up close to the car in front of me it slowdown and that was really neat but now I just I don't know what was supposed to solve here. Just don't so it anecdote I drive a Ford explorer a fairly current at one and it has that adaptive cruise control feature and recently it did a software update where it added Lane Keeping Bing and it didn't tell you it just it updated its and then all of a sudden you've got a graphic on the dashboard that were a little dashed lines showing you where the lane lines were and if you were drifting too far to the right or left they will go yell progressively yellow and then red and they were green if you were smack. Dab in the middle of the lane and there's also sort there's two things that go on. I think there's haptic feedback in the steering wheel that that tells you hey you need to get back over to the middle and also it will steer itself back to the middle if you don't take the cue and you'd food. I'm not quite sure how it determines when you're changing lanes not to keep you wouldn't changing lanes but it seems to manage that okay but I found it kind of annoying because all of a sudden it was just there and I'm not used to it being there so I turned it off initially and then I turned it back on because I have a fifteen year old who's learning to drive and I just wanted wanted him to have that little extra incentive to be in the right place in the lane so I think it's useful. It's it's inconsistent. It's one of those things where it doesn't work all the time there times when you see the lane lines in its functioning and there are times when it doesn't so I think that's not real helpful if he just learned to ignore it all the time then then. It's not you know a useful bit of technology human thing you you got something new intruded going you habits and you turned it off. what if you weren't allowed to turn it off yeah yeah well as a human huma not able to turn it off for sure and I like having the option just having the human judgment in this situation and with this driver. I would like to have it on and the second thing. The second thing that you mentioned is the nature of technology allergy as we have always known it. You said it works okay sometimes but it doesn't work all the time okay and that's it's interesting because you and I've been around the computer business for a long time. Do you remember how marvelous things were till. We realize they sucked when they first. I came in. Do you remember the daisy wheel printers you know and then once we're used to them we realized they weren't quite as good as we thought they were and so innovation came in now the innovations coming in faster than we decide ride innovation is coming in faster than we are getting accustomed to what was innovated previously includes that right yeah. I think I think I understand exactly what you mean and it's funny. Because before the show I was I was thinking about how you've been paying attention to cutting edge just technologies for so many years that you know at the time they were all cutting edge but like daisy wheel printers you've seen a lot of things come and then become old-hat as and when I was still a beat reporter at the Quincy Massachusetts Patriot Patriot Ledger I wrote a headline that said an end to carbon paper because we no longer longer these computers weren't going to mean that we had to use carbon paper between most people listening to the show. Don't even know what I'm talking about but there were people who said I like carbon paper and they just like how it smelled yeah it. Could we could have a lot of fun with this but I have a serious point. The point is we have controlled our own personal adoptions. Yes we have adopted new technologies. When we wanted to very often we get it from our friends and we see they're we're doing well with it and now we have a friend who becomes our computer? Buddy are tech buddy. All of that is becoming ops as obsolete as the carbon paper. We're now getting technology taking over for us without our permission without our control roll and we heading in a direction without his going to become more and more the case and that scares me that scares me not only the angel of it but the psychological effect on us. I I remember a case I fall in many years ago. I forgot what year but it was many years ago but it was a teacher in Oregon which is a pretty progressive state who refused to allow her eighth grade students to use Google in preparing term papers. She wanted them to go to the library and use the dewey decimal system system as the good lord and tent. It seemed like a very funny case but there was a trial trial and I follow the trial and she says what will happen when we learn things so easily you don't need libraries will you then not need teachers and of course in China. We have virtual teachers coming through. VR headsets now and it's just I experiment. I think two million children are learning this way and they do pretty good things when the kid gets bored the kid gets a pot test thrown in front of their eyes and the machine teaches each child at the rate that child's capable of learning so sounds pretty good but how do you feel about your child never having a human teacher what does that do to the human that is a that is your child. Oh yeah that's an excellent point and in fact we need to thank our sponsor for this episode of this week in law but when we come back. Shell and we've been talking about autonomous autonomous cars and various other technologies using. Ai there are some obvious ones that we're all familiar with their touching our lives. Google seems determined is to have a I help us make restaurant in haircut appointments. I don't know why they tried to stop. Microsoft's use terminent government to have a I help us iron out our calendar conflicts which which is a nice thing. 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Ziprecruiter the smartest way to hire so I think just thanking our sponsor they're gives us one field where a I could certainly be important matching up people who are seeking employment with those who have jobs to offer what else came to mind show well. You cute me nervous going into something that is somewhat zip list but I when I said it's like oxygen. Let me give just a few examples of places where a is coming into play. Phillips is working on a toothbrush that will detect a sensor in the toothbrush. I don't know exactly exactly how it will work will detect a cavity and not only will it alert. You will wirelessly alert your dentist assed and of course every dentist in the world is going to be telling his his or her patients to use this to rush rush because you know the soon as it detects a cavity. He's got more revenue coming in. This isn't necessarily really a bad one but it's an example of how ubiquitous it will be deary pro pro. Milk producers are going to be putting sensors inside. I know cartons so that it will be able to alert you when you milk is going sour and you better go out and buy fresh milk without you. Write a story that I really like but a company called Apollo Neuro. I think they launched while I was writing. I'm I'm not I don't follow that closely but it's a wristband the users eastern methodology college eastern meditation type methodologies along with I forgot which type of of artificial intelligence but along with a guy to be able to to treat post stress traumatic disorder schizophrenia all sorts of mental oldest orders that are related one insomnia whatever is related to stress the Mitch the wristband. Dan Doesn't beeper thank you. That's going to be using that very same picture on it emits a vibration the kind of Bray Shen that meditators are supposed to achieve. I was never very good at meditation and they didn't even have smartphones back when I tried but the company has merged neuroscience CI- MCI with Eastern Meditative Processes and I think you're going to see things like that happening and I think they are for the better header. I think it's far better than something that you're going to wear on your wrist will decide how to adjust your medication education for you or will report to your doctor for you or A. I will know before you do that. You you have a terminal disease and since your insurance is covered by your employer will report it to them before to you and your family so I think a I is going to be in everything we have two countries China and Great Britain who are using. Ai To observe its population everywhere in China. You going winging. There's they've started to give every citizen a score and of course you'll get a nice house with a higher scorer which the Chinese government will decide right now. It's being used to stave off terrorism in London which sounds like a very good thing in but now that the systems all installed. What else will the government decide to do. Of course it's no great fluctuations in the British government. It's all very stable label over there so we don't have to worry about that. Dewey actually education you were there was a funny comment in IRC IRC. aspire in there was saying as you were posing the question. Do we really want our kids. Educated by virtual teachers despire says well that's the way spock was taught as a child so that can't be so bad but sort of picking up on that it does seem to me like there could be a great. It's sort of diagnostic role for me I in education because people learn differently and fall down at different parts of their education would be great if education could be tailored to their particular needs by figuring out what those are in real time you know how you're not understanding and then somehow augmenting admitting your instruction in a way that's going to be really well suited to you that that seems like something. I'd like to see happen if not that. I could read a book on this one to the firm Jampel when you learned history but you have had to memorize a bunch of dates. I bet you still know that William. The conqueror signed something in ten ninety nine kyw's all kinds of good stuff to happen happen but I'm not quite sure what it was aware it was but now you can use VR to have the kids visit any historic site. Take a tour of Buckingham Palace or the White House will go to Buckingham Palace. Don't go to the White House these days but in all of these cases you know you can have children toward the great barrier refund understand. Why pollution is destroying? You can do all these marvelous things. All I say is whatever they are. Whatever tools you using in examples. I'm giving their converge my two passions of immersive technologies and they I every every example sample there does but humans are still in the loop when you remove humans from the loop when you stop stop using technology to augment us but to replace. A-as you're redefining everything you redefining the human role on the planet. You hit a point when the machines are the only only things capable of creating better machines and each of these betterman. You're reducing the need for humans instead of improving climate. Why not eliminate the need for climate of all living things and dark. Thank you could follow logically. Could it not that sounds like science fiction but so much of the science fiction that shaped me when I was ten year role in a fifteen year old. We've already surpassed you know the Martian chronicles. Let's very likely to happen happened after Ilan succeeds in colonizing Mars right. You know it's we're going somewhere. You were investing trillions of dollars. We're we're raising the best and brightest of new generations. It's all heading into unchartered light between darkness and light uncharted region between darkness and light light called the twilight zone in the twilight zone is very unclear just what the prevailing force will be no absolutely not of course not only what the forces but who controls it is incredibly important and I guess that sort of leads right into my last question for you shell which is the you know we can identify these problems and know that there needs he'd be safeguards that are aren't just driven by delivering value to shareholders and that's that's where our government and our laws and regulations come in in that podcast that you did for the ex our podcast. You were talking about smart speakers. Here's listening to things and in general's company like Amazon knowing not only you know serve ambient. Lee what's going on but also all these other details about you like everything that you've purchased in it occurred to me when I was listening to that but wait a second. They're not going to know everything that you purchase because there are some things that you simply can't purchase with Amazon like hall so won't know if if you've you know bought several cases of beer lately because there's a law that's coming at that situation obliquely and was never designed to curb Amazon knowing things about you. It was is designed to curb miners from getting alcohol and it requires it makes it difficult to have alcohol delivered to Your House without having a twenty one year old time for it at Cetera et. CETERA SO companies wash their hands about they. Amazon in particular doesn't tell it so that that's an instance where we have a law that's already in the books that sort of acting as a check on a problem and it it never was designed for that but I'm wondering what you think about how lawmakers a equipped to make decisions about how we address these problems and if you think that we're in an era where they're actually trying to do that. This may be a cheap shot but whenever I'm asked about law a lawmakers being in a position to decide I remember the embarassing moment when Barbour when Dianne Feinstein ask Mark Zuckerberg the difference between facebook and America Online regulators look at existing problems and sometimes they do a good job of regulating waiting for the safety of people but when something is new and different and the dangers of it are unknown it is very hard to trust our government even if we head of virtuous government a corruption free government a government filled old with people who are passionate about serving the public interest. How the hell are they going to figure out fake news impacting American election for President. I don't know what government's role is and I am convinced that this point in our history our government is even more broken than our technological master plants and I say this with great sorrow because I I've vowed all my life I would never become an old guy sitting in front front of a camera and say they like it used to be things that used to be that have changed in all terribly and are hard to fix reputation. A reputation used to be based upon a community that was within our geographic parameters now. Our reputations have things called personal brandon. Dan are distributed through a network. The Bob Metcalfe who who's law prevails over over networks had no idea. We're GONNA come out. I really don't know how to fix the problems albums I'm talking about. I'm hoping someone smarter than me. Here's some of the things that I rant about and figures out ways to fix them. How can I make our government. Let's say better better is one of the soft words doesn't say anything but how can it improve move. Our government's ability to serve defended its population. I don't know I don't know I think the point that you've made aide about. Having humans in the loop is going to be critically important whether it's something that's governmentally required or encouraged rush or we figured out because it's just the best thing to do and I think a great example of that is if you don't have you know if you need to make the point to people what happens when you don't have humans in the loop just point them to the Youtube Algorithm. That constantly recommends videos for you when you've watched touched. If you ask people how well they think that works how about facebook advertising that's contextual advertising. I think they're supposed to know what I want and Eric Schmidt. We're in the conversation. You say Google wants to anticipate what you're going to ask before you ask it. How are they doing so far. Yes not that great but this has been wonderful getting together with you here. Today I really appreciate your time mm-hmm and your insights and your taking time away from writing and the other important things you're doing in your life. It's just been a joy to sit down and talk with you this. There's a lot of fun and I hope I get back onto twit without four more years going by. Let's make sure that happens you. Were good good. You went to the library and now you know what I said. In two thousand thirteen I have to take your word for it and I encourage people to to go back into our archives and find shells previous episode of Triangulation I can tell you which episode that is real. Quick hold on before we go do do fill. Shell Phil. I have to find the email here we go. Don't ask me there. We go. Oh you were on episode one hundred twenty seven so if you go to close by introducing this is analog device device that can actually allow me to copy down when twenty seven onto a piece of slice tree. It's a remarkable technology allergy and I advise you try using it every now and then I do my handwriting's getting so bad because I type so much more than I right now all but but I will try shall I will try. Thank you so much. Get Directing US break. Take Care and thank you all for joining us here on triangulation. We record the show every Friday at eleven thirty A. M. Pacific Time. Please join us live if you can if you can't don't worry about it head on over to twit dot TV slash strangulation and you will find shells old episode there as well as all the old episodes of triangulation and the current ones as well so you can enjoy away those on your own time on your own device however you need to interact with our technologies. Thanks so much for joining us. 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#6 Spaceship Earth Companion Episode

The Ride Through Pavilion

57:55 min | 2 years ago

#6 Spaceship Earth Companion Episode

"Our cast the goes from room. To highly digital rise. Rise. Welcome to another episode of the ride through pavilion podcast. This is the podcast that takes you beat by beat room by room through your favorite, Disney attractions. So you can have something like the experience of writing it at least as close as you can get when you're not there yourself. So my name is Jeremy I'm Amy, and I'm Fana and again somewhere around the house in his room, actually is Liam Liam is our special needs adult son who loves going to Disney. He loves so many things about it. And since he can't express that himself. We do that for him throughout the course of the podcast. So we welcome you to another episode. We hoping yes, welcome. Welcome everyone. And we hope that you enjoyed last week's episode. It was a right through of spatial birth, very classic attraction and this this week. We're actually going to companion episode to that we're going to talk about the history of it. And just kind of kind of at the end of we're gonna talk a little bit about what we think is coming up for the attraction and coming up for future world in Epcot in general, Amy hit us with some social info, the soc IMF who the guy on the soc spill, the Tiem soc. You lost me or Instagram if you'd like to follow us on Instagram, which you should there's a lot of great quizzes out there and all kinds of fun stuff. It's at ride through pavilion Instagram at ride through pavilion Twitter is at ride through pod. So don't get all confused confused glitter. Little Bluebird ride through pod. Instagram polaroid camera ride through pavilion. It is like a polaroid and. Pinterest. That's the big ones Pinterest. Yes. It has all the awesome is at ride through pavilion. Right. Check out the Pinterest. Follow us on on pin? Check out the Pinterest me sound really old. Really interesting myself. I know it's not called the Pinterest. I was the interest boards that we create that. They have what we do is every time we tackle a ride every time we do a right through. Then we ended up putting a board together. Everything that has to do with that. Right. Whether it's the history, whether it's pictures or or whether it's right through videos, or it could even be like are we surprise it could be all sorts of stuff. So anyway, listen lists a list. Get ready to jump into the history and the feeling Jeff something. Making weird hand signals over. There was this a stop the cat guys. We gotta do something about the cat. He's making an appearance in every single episode is becoming the villain of this podcast for sure. So I might dress up like him for Mickey's. Not so scary Halloween party. You know since the villains all come out. I'll be Mr. business the family cat. Anyway. Hey, let's jump in this as a great history likely. We're talking about last week. I think. For me personally. I experienced this sense of nostalgia for old Epcot. And the funny thing is that I was never part of it. I never went there intil just about ten years ago. But I remember when we had the Disney channel, it was a new thing, and they were just marketing Epcot like crazy. And I just thought that is the coolest place ever to be. And also I was thinking this week as we were driving around. Oh, you know what I had a correction from last week? Oh, you know, what we had said that we that? We thought sorry guys for the quick left turn. But let's hit pause last week. I believe that we had come to the conclusion that spaceship earth was the only opening day, traction left and future world living with the land. That such a good one too. Yeah. That's a good. That's a fun one. So yeah, I stand corrected for those of you who have not already corrected me on social media than because that's in the future. I'm correcting myself in the past. Anyway, but at eleven manhood mitts, he's wrong. Lord made me man enough to admit when I'm wrong. That's most the time. But anyway, just Epcot just seem like an amazing place to me. I won't go into my personal views of something that never that. I never experienced. I just I when I go there people like, oh, it's run down. And he needs updating. That's true. But that does not stop me from looking and seeing. Passed all of that. And I I see all like. Yeah. Needs some help for sure. But man, I mean, I just love the whole idea and the concept. Yeah. Right. Put me out to pass rate. Anyway. All right. So as we were talking about. Special Perth was an opening day attraction it took twenty four. I've twenty four twenty six months to build we were talking about Peter Pan, and how that was built in under a year and how Disneyland for the most part was built in under a year or in about a year little over a year. But man, twenty four months they knew that they had quite an engineering feat on their hands when they wanted to build this this fear in. So it went is certain off actually as a dome, and when you look at early concept drawings future world, you see that that it was going to be it was gonna look like a sphere that kind of winning to the ground. So it was it wasn't a dome in terms of just like the top of fear. But it was actually, you know, kind of rounded off at the bottom and almost look like a superior kind of. Yeah. Kind of sink in a little bit. And then they had this idea. Hey, let's put this thing up on list suspended. In the air. Let's let's have it sitting up. And so they put a fifteen feet in the air and is quite a quite an engineering feat. So we talked about last week. How it has these six legs? What I found interesting in my research. I was looking at diagrams and plans for this thing and reading up on a on of a few articles that people did research on this. This thing is is if you would imagine if you could take away that shell for a second. And you you could look inside see that those legs that are supporting the sphere actually are connected to a platform or a table inside of the sphere itself. And then sitting on top of that fear is three quarters of the structure, and then so think of a dome that's about three quarters of fear sitting on top there underneath that suspended under that table is another quarter or another twenty five percent of that fear underneath. And so that's how they were able to to build this thing out without just building a ball and putting legs on it. And praying. God that hurricane didn't come along. And make it like roll come fillet roll around Epcot and crush everybody. That'd be terrible. Terrifying. Yeah. Yeah. So that's where the the the the outer shell are these panels that are made out of aluminum, they're actually called aluminum composite panels, and they're there to sheets of Lumina m- with with a kind of a non dense material inside of them. And so these these panels are are those triangular shiny things that you see on the outside that make it look like a golf ball and make it mistaken for a golf ball by a lot of people. Now, the other thing that I read is long as we're just talking about kind of the structural functional stuff of the building is that. So this is to fears. Now, you got to keep in mind that what you see on the outside is just a shell. The actual structure is inside. And it's another sphere. That's inside that houses everything. That's that's that makes up the structural the track. And all that stuff is inside. That's all connected to that platform table that I was talking about. But when when is there anything functional beneath platform? There's well. That's a good question. Thank you. I do know that there's a that. I think those that you don't when you're looking at it. And you see that bit of glass like in the center there's like a glass kind of triangular column coming on. I think that's an elevator. Perhaps for evacuations or you know, for service, and maintenance and all that stuff. But maybe like the engines are well and listing about for sticking. Yeah. I mean that that the drive shaft. Yeah. The drive shaft the bushings the carburetor the timing belts. All that stuff is in there in that bottom part. It's like VW, you know, the engines in the in the bottom part in the back part so in the trunk in the trunk that's the trunk of spatial birth. People. Don't know there's. There's fell in a ditch. There's reusable shopping bags and some jumper cables and some loose water bottles for some reason. And cheryl. On the shelf. Whatever it is. So, but I I do think though. Yeah. And the bottom of that sphere is actually the loading area. Think about if if I'm thinking correctly. But so yes that is functional. Great question. Long answer, we still don't know. But yeah, that's our best guess. But here's the deal that in that interior sphere is actually covered Neo pren- before they put those panels on the side. And that that that neoprene makes it weatherproof. But apparently in this I've read this a couple of times, and I've not heard also side note, go scuba diving go scuba diving without any problem and still stay somewhat warm, but I guess to to take a sphere in to air air conditioned. The thing it would be rather difficult. And I think they do the best they can. But what I heard was in order to to really make the temperatures manageable and feel comfortable they actually shoot air onto the track system. So. What I've read and I'm not sure this is true. 'cause I haven't heard this a whole lot. But I read it in sounded interesting is that you need the further you get away from the track. Then it's not as cool as it would be if you were on the track. I've gotta think though that they just so that newsboy starting out was nice and chilly. Yeah. He's his face Nelson. His face melted off. Yeah. We'll talk about the newsboy and a little bit of. So in terms of the story itself. What we experience when we get on the right? These concepts the concept that we see the final story we see were was really developed by Ray Bradbury. Right. Thanks ray. He's a futurist and scifi writer. You mean, no recognize the titles from college Fahrenheit four fifty one. Something wicked. This way comes. But he wrote up a concept. He was he met Walt Disney back in the sixties. And the the, you know, they they were both very because he was a futurist. And and so was Walt Disney they were, you know, they both had something common while Disney was very impressed with him. And they knew they wanted to work together. Unfortunately, didn't really have the chance of the large scale. But he was contacted by wed when they were developing Epcot, and they had asked him to come up with some concepts for this, this attraction that would be the centerpiece of of Epcot, and he came up with a concept in nineteen seventy seven I found this concept script, which was really interesting to read and is called man and his spaceship earth, and it basically it was very like high thinking, very dramatic straight up weird. Of weird. Yeah. I mean, in fact, let me say still have that tab open. Yeah. Like, the narrator at some point was supposed to say. What are we where did we come from? And where do we go? What is our past that lies beneath us like the dust? Let us sink into the past that dust to find ourselves. Let us bury ourselves like the five billion year locust, and then burst forth with wings to plan. Tomorrow's noon, now sons, reverse all moons ref- as I mean, if you're into that kind of thing not straight up where did all totally norm. No, no. I think is weird for an attraction because it's so nice not obstructed all. It's just it's just not that typical industrial era for everybody. Yeah. It's the five billion billion year that would be a good script for a horror film. No, I was gonna say the the marvel guy. Doctor strange. I just imagine him like rearranging lake math problems and all that stuff. Yeah. Common core. All that stuff. Okay. But if eventually this and let me say this this was actually meant to be an introduction to all. The pavilions was supposed to be somewhat of an explainer for Epcot what it was with the pavilions with with what could be found in those pavilion. So which side note, there is no ride through pavilion. There is no right through there is except for here. That needed pointing out people. Point out. It was a side note. Okay. True. It's one hundred percent true. But anyway, the long the short of it is that it actually evolved into the storyline that we that we see now, and it really got narrowed into this this history of communication, and, you know, the whole idea being that as we disseminate information as we take information in as it spreads than we get smarter as a society, we become closer as a people we become more empathetic to each other. There's a lot of high concept here that is very true. And you know, Bradbury was making notes even in the script that I was reading where he was like, you know, this is a cynical world. And you know, there's there's a lot to to really be afraid of. And there's a lot to be discouraged about in the way people behave the way people approach. Our cat. Turtur cats, but our cat. Sorry. Ready to kick him out. And but he was like who better than Disney to kind of bring this bring this point home that we become more empathetic, we become better people when we do harnesses power of communication and information. So yeah, I don't know. It was pretty cool. Take a reach that if you ever want to look at that. It's it at the beginning. It is it is man and his spaceship earth nineteen seventy seven there's a scan of the script out there. We will pin that to our Pinterest board as well. But when we look by the time it opened in in nineteen eighty two we have this opening version, it has a couple of sponsors across the the time line here. But it I opened up with with bell system. And the attraction was narrated. I think this things become known for its narrators. And this was narrated by Vic Perrin now Marty scholar of had suggest. He's he's a renowned imagine near he had suggested at one point that it was narrated by someone else. But the the common acceptance here is at that is Vic Perrin, he's a guy. He was an actor. He was you could have heard his voice on outer limits. He did a lot. Lot of seventies voice over stuff including the cartoons. When when when I hear his voice, I definitely hear super friends and some of the villains from there. Very recognizable for somebody my generation. But when he some of the things that are different than they are today. Of course, they didn't have the touch screens in the back of the head rest in the cars. And when you watch this ride through wash ride through on YouTube. We all did and that music, it's a very star Trekkie very star Trekkie, which I which I find interesting, it's it's a lot of scifi had happened in the seventies and early eighties. But there's a very classic Sifi feel to this. And maybe that's because bradberry was consulting on it too. But I'm not seeing sounded outdated. It was just interesting to to hear that. But it also had a very nice ambience. No, I like the other soundtracks better for this attraction. But I love this soundtrack myself if. Yeah, I mean, I like it it just it there. Something about it. That's a little. It leaves too much space. Bright, it truly is ambient music fan of brainy. No or herald bud or somebody like that. I mean that is it his really good music. You know, one thing I noticed too doesn't really ever seem to go away. It doesn't change. It doesn't really change or transition. Well, it it allows space for some incidental music, like when you know when you're going through the renaissance and you're hearing some of that music when you're in the the information the post or the industrial revolution. Whatever you're hearing years. Yeah. You're hearing. Yeah. And you're hearing the ragtime you'll time he stuff, but that that ambient music never goes away. But the coolest thing about this. The big difference is if you if you ride it now you after you see the family who's watching the moon moon landing number one. They're just watching television. But then when you get past that you see kid with a computer in his own room and for nineteen eighty that's. That's pretty cool stuff. And then then you see somebody using a computer in an office. And then when you when you when you go past that in you're actually see this UC fused room in this like a net network operation center, and you hear people talking about routing signals and all that stuff. So it's very much about telecommunications of very much, you know, about satellites, and that kind of thing fact, there's so much about satellites when you get up to the what we were calling the planetarium last time. There was there was astronauts in that when you're looking back at earth from the very top of the sphere. You could you could see astronauts on a space walk which I think that the satellite in that. Well in the video that we watched and they kept going back to it. Looks like a big finger to eat interest the finger eighth finger, okay? Out of five right? All right. This is a finger thumb not a finger. Thank. So it's called a I put his a finger. How many fingers you have I have four fingers. Total. I have eight fingers if you're five silly. If you're five I have six fingers the fingers. She held up for and one. Actually, though, I have six fingers and to pinkies in two thumbs. All right, so satellite. Go back on track satellite. Looks like a finger not the finger. But this makes a lot of sense when you go back to the that mural out front in you're you're you're looking at the mural today as you go in and you see. Yeah. I see the whatever the the caveman, and I see the renaissance people, and I see this. And I see that that I'm not walking on the finger. But the astronauts are in the finger are not they're on. They're not when you get up to the top there on the mural LA. And so I've always wondered where did they go? Well, they went away in future in. But yeah, they were Fench. So that the the kind of command center floating. Well, no, there was a there was a satellite. And there was there were astronauts doing the MU the spacewalk not the moonwalk space. And then there was somebody kind of floating in this other like at the bottom of the space station like looking through this window kind of like telling them what to do. It looked a little bit like that actually. But they they they painted that over they've actually closed that up and painted that over and future renovations. But those astronauts, I read they went to space fountain. And that's what you see when you're when you're either launch mode. Yeah. Exactly. So that's kind of cool. If that's true. You know, again, I've not read that hasn't popped up a whole lot. But I've seen that a few times where it makes me think that's probably true. It really doesn't look anything like a finger in space mountain. So if you're looking for that, don't we? Now, here's what's fun is is is we talked in the right through as we went around as you get up to the top of the dome, and you're looking out at earth, your car moves, you know, to prepare for the return to earth, or whatever, and it gives it we kind of laughing about the like, nobody panic. Your car is turning do not jump out. Stay seated. But apparently when this first launched in when this first opened in in eighty two, and I don't know how long this lasted. But apparently cast members were at the top manually turning these cars around eventual, obviously eventually that was that was remedied. But that's I found that really interested as interest. I wonder what the time limit on the rotation of those people were doing before was too late to turn it around like backed up his way. Maybe they did the announcements now because back then there's a cast member cast member, you might think oh, it's on the get off. But oh shoot. Maybe Eureka Eureka probably. So any turn around and you're coming back down. Of course. Now, they have you preoccupied with that what we feature be like, and you know, that if we got shot in a space like that we'd need oxygen masks to go into space. We'll know it has the same bubble over that space mountain. Does I didn't know that? No. Yeah. That was that invisible. Oxygen shield or whatever they call it. Yeah. So as you're as you're going back in in this version of it, your there's just a lot of screens being projected everywhere. And what's interesting is that it's just a lot of talking heads almost like, you know, flipping through channels or you know, popping in videotape. It's all the different kinds of things that she would that you would see in media. And so that's that's there. That's what they're talking about. When their time communications in this Inc. Carnation of the right? When you're finished you end up in the post show, which now we know as project tomorrow, except then it was called earth station, and it was very different. And it was very very cool sounding I wish I could have experienced. But basically when you got off it was open space, and there were large screens, you know, overhead and there were bunch of kiosk called world key kiosks, and this whole thing existed 'cause it was likely. This was the first attraction you were going to get on when you got to add Kat in. So that original concept that that Ray Bradbury had where it was going to orient you in the ride to to all the pavilions this post show actually did orient. You an opportunity to find out. What is what does it mean world emotion? What does it mean, you know, university of energy enough that existed an opening day? But but it was this. This basically told you what to expect at the villian? What are the? Attractions. What are the shops? What are the restaurants and they were touchscreen? This is nine hundred eighty two and they were touch screen. And so I I I've gotta think it worked off of laserdisc and almost like a DVD menu. You know, where you touch the screen, and then, you know, tell me about this shop, and then it would show you like a little video about that shop the other thing that you could do was you could actually talk. I guess it was close circuit. I don't know what it was. But it was you would talk to another cast member not another, but you would talk to a cast member. And you aren't we all cast members? Recruited from an early age taken out in our prime. It's a funeral wants to be one one day. Oh, a cast member. Yeah. Got it human. I wanna be human. So you'll get there one day. Maybe you'll be a real boy. And so you would actually speak to cast member. And make dining reservations. In fact. This was apparently the only way you could make dining reservations back then. So there you go that's the early early incarnation it so the running mass went to use bay could get those. Yeah. You have to go. Yeah. Go there. So it was really a guest relations, except there were no real life people there, you would speak to them through the kiosks. And that's I don't know that just sounds super cool. I wish I could see that. I wish I could see a video of it probably went out there. I just haven't looked hard enough. Okay. So if we find it it'll be pen to our petrous like for a ride through pavilion. Thank you, Amy in nineteen Eighty-six the attraction reopened this time with Walter Cronkite of famed Inkerman and journalists Walter Cronkite. He's the narrator now, AT and tear the sponsors. And let's see I've got a little sample of this. They introduced a song called tomorrow's child. People like the song. So tomorrow's child became the song that that you experience as you were. Ending the attraction is you're kind of backing out there after they turn your vehicle around. Otherwise, I think it was largely unchanged until nineteen ninety four. It went down for a major refurbishment and win the attraction reopened germy irons aka scar. From the Lanqing was the narrator, and it had a new score kind of an orchestra score orchestral, I should say, and then a couple of changes the computer scenes, we were talking about how the kid had a computer screen or a computer in his room and somebody headed office, and there was a net ops kind of headquarters now the computer scenes were replaced with what appears to be an American kid and a in a Japanese kid and they're communicating through a screen other receive video chatting, and they're actually passing some kind of files between. And it's cool. You think this is nineteen ninety four and they are now like looking at the possibility of the future in the communications field. And this was something that, you know. Yeah, we'd all experienced a O L, and we all you know, were starting to get on the internet in nineteen ninety four. But this was this was quite a I think we'll Boyd have made this cool writing through is the fact that it it took you like an hour to download like one little space ghost or friends audio clip on a oh, Al to key like an hour back then. And so these kids are going. Hey, you wanna see whatever you can't really tell. And you know, he's like yes ended over and boom it's there. I bet that would have been pretty amazing to think about and to imagine. And then for the first several years of the internet getting things that quick was pretty amazing. And here's what strikes me about. This version is that we've gone from this kind of Megan phone like shouting at people with information the way, we talked about information besides the telephone telegraph. It was not the back and forth. You know, it really was by by the end of of of this attraction in the earlier incarnation. We really saw how communication in. How information is blasted at us. Now, we really do see. And there's as you know, hats off to Disney. Here's this realization that we are entering into this one on one this peer to peer kind of information sharing and you see that through the whole, right? Even when you come back around when you're descending in the descent all of those kind of just random video pieces in screens going off. Now, it's been replaced with people actually communicating in their sharing life moments with each other through. Through these video chats and through the you know, these telecommunications, I think that is that's really forward thinking because that's really where we're now and one notable one is that was a child asking a doctor. How is my baby is is my is my baby, brother. All right. Yeah. And the doctor goes your baby sister is just fine. Which is just a I mean, it's just I don't know. What are you gonna complain about that I'm not complaining about it? I'm just saying it's a odd thing prize your baby sisters, just fine. But why it's just a weird? I don't know. You guys agree with me? Right. That's a weird thing. Yeah. I like why would a child be asking the doctor about his baby brother, and the doctors the one telling him that he has a baby sister on. Kid's gonna call a doctor to check on his newborn sibling all is. Well, Amy while you're in complaining pants mode. You'll be glad to know that tomorrow's child was nixed. I know I know. That was nixed of from the right child gets Merle. I could smell shell. Okay. It sounds like it could have been a little bit of an influence on on. Even the theme song to this podcast further. Insight into how you are a special man, I think you think you in so earth station as we talked about before with the world keen in kind of the orient to Epcot future world that whole post show is now been replaced by global neighborhood. And there there are different games in kiosks in interactive experiences there there's one called interactive wonderland in the Cheshire cat takes you into the future of television. I wish I could have been there for them. Yeah. With voice commands voice. I mean, this is exactly what we do. This was nineteen Eighty-four. And here we are when he now twenty five years later, and we're doing this. Now, we're telling we're saying, hey, Google or Alexa. I think our Google just woke up. But you know, we say, you know, we're we're like Hegel and in you know, we. Pause. The television turn turn on the lights. And it actually does it. And so, but but we do that with our media. That's that's what I find really interesting about this. You know, you know, when you I I know that television networks and in media outlets. They were very hard to like for your Comcast remote. You know, when you can talk to your Comcast Ramon just turned turn to this channel. And he say the name of the network, they work very hard to get that voice. Command to be recognizable. So it'll be usable to people in here. We are twenty five years earlier just doing exactly that with television dipping our toes in that. Yeah. Yeah. There was something called you don't say, and it had to do with how you can translate word for word through a I, but but then it's like when you do an idiom like an idiomatic saying the translation gets lost. You can you can. So I guess. There was I don't know. I don't know too much about it that I'm imagining it had some kind of funny outcomes, you know, when you try to throw in some American slang, or whatever and try to have come out Mandarin or whatever say something and who Larry. That's the promise communication breakthrough. Basically it's like a breakout paddle game. But apparently you played with somebody else who was across the room, and you guys could still see in here each other so virtual paddle. It was basically call of duty and break breakout. Combined which I just sounds thrilling storyteller phone it was like without sound affects to your phone call. I guess man. Make you sound like you are somewhere else. That's fun. And then something all wish we had grade. That's right there. Just doing all the. Coughing. And then there's something called ride the AT and T network, which is basically you could get on this little platform that would rock back and forth and make you feel like you were traveling through fiber optic cables. What do you think about that? No comment. Wow. Yeah. So. That sounds like that the thing is sounds like it was the coolest thing there too. I mean like in terms of that was the center of attention. But I guess I guess, you know, the end of the day, it was just a big a big plug for AT and T and why not they put the Bill. So we can enjoy this experience at the time fiber optics, pretty rat. I've heard who hasn't dreamt about surfing, literally surfing, the web within the fiber optic cables back and forth over surfer in any given moment, you're just criss crossing wave. Yeah. And then in two thousand seven we get now to this this version that we know now. The computer scenes went went away, the two kids conversing and sharing files or whatever they went away. And now we have this big mainframe scene. We see that big, you know, the computers as big as a house, and then that was my Judi Dench. Animatronic are stored above? They're in the trunk Bishop. That's down there. Asked in answer. It's. And then so then that's replaced with the mainframe scene and the garage, and I wanna point out here. I think it's really interesting that we went from what does the future hold in communication on that side? So so if you think of that part a everything that was kind of telling the history of communication it got a bit. I interrupted, you know, by here's some computers and people's rooms and just think of what the future holds this now has made with between the mainframe, computer and the whole like Steve Jobs Steve Wozniak in the garage scene. That is made computer stu- that is me technology and computer modern computer technology historical. Right. That's that's it's an interesting. Well, and also it's one of the biggest changes from the computer age on in the ride because everything before that didn't change that much updated. Yeah. But the scenes are relatively. Same. Yes. Right. And we'll talk about a minute. What we think is coming up in the future for that. And I have a couple of thoughts on that. But then the the hunting party where we see the where we see prehistoric, man. Hunting that mastodon that would turn into a three D, or at least until like a CGI three the animation thing and then Siemens now being the sponsor, they when we get these touchscreen interactive game, as we as we descend, we're now focusing on that screen ahead of us, and and you know, creating our future as or there's two schools on this in our house as there's Jeremy school of thinking, the other way was awesome. Give me something to look at. Yeah. And there's Amy's school of talk to me about me and make it about me. Right. Where you had on that. Sorry. I'm space out for like, let's spaceship dearth out. So it's on the ride back to earth. Would you rather see monitors of like talking heads or like that? Hold on hold the allowable. It's not monitors. It would you rather see like vignettes in in in like things like because I from what I can see like they were using figures and animatronic like using pepper Pepper's ghost effect all that stuff. Like in this ninety four version, would you rather see vignettes in scenes around you which could include people talking monitors. Or would you rather like play that game on the way down? I like the game. And all I want is just a little bit of update to it. Okay. Giving some more options, and like can we change our story jump into that? Because the final change was then it. The global neighborhood eventually turn into the new label global neighborhood, and then it got boarded up when a plane team main street singers, and they boarded up when when eighteen t was no longer the sponsor. And so then it opened again as project tomorrow, which is which is the the post show that we know to real quick before we jump into what lies ahead for this attraction, the exterior overlays. It had actually feel that we all skipped over hidden Mickey's, tell us about hidden Mickey's in this one I know of and they're. I mean, if you know anymore Safai Instagram Twitter. On the Twitter machine. Anyway. So the first one I always see is when you're going to that Rome where the guys are talking next to the carriage. So there's like a backpack type thing on the floor that has a blanket that's wrapped up in like a role. And then there's like a camper Cup in the one other thing. Not totally sure. But the way it looks it looks like is hidden Mickey. So there's number one one. Yeah. For cause. What I don't think in make are just like three circles because then every circle you see like has his hidden. Mickey for me. It's one big circle to small circles on the top that I mean, clearly look like making mouse. So then I only know of two more I think, yeah. Which is both in new painters room. And so there's a guy sitting at a desk doing something. I'd mixing paint. Maybe can't really remember. But there is almost like a were to put coffee mug down in the new pick it up. There's like a stay rings. Yeah. So there's some paint like white paint rings on the the table top looks like a Mickey head. Yeah. That wants intentional and then. See it's. Maybe I maybe. So then the next one is the painter painting the painting in the full fruit. There's three apples that ugly. Mickey head. Okay. That could be three circles or see. I looked at a bunch of images online just to make sure. And honestly, I are you questioning because that's too hidden Mickey's really close to each other. Yeah. Yeah. I see that. But yeah. And I I always feel like there's another one in like further down can never remember where it is. Yeah. I mean. I'm sure there's many many more. One in the garage to there's so much junk in there when I was because those are the only ones I like downed. So I looked on the internet just like maybe find some more like people are posting pictures on these websites that are just through circles. Unlike that does not mean to me, so. Yeah, those ones I know we would love maybe not the full fruit. But the other two we'd love to hear if we're missing any. We'd love to hear from you guys. Yeah. So but a snow on Twitter Instagram, just let us know. Here's another fun thing is that it's not it's not cheap to sculpture face for an animatronic. It's not it's actually been told to us that it's one of the most expensive parts of an animatronic. Yeah. Yeah. And so it would come then if that is true come as no surprise that people that Disney would want to recycle these existing. Of face molds for different animatronic. So there's a few of these there's gosh, I forget the exact count their tons of animatronic here. I mean this rivals pirates of the Caribbean and haunted mansion for sure. As far as human animatronic SCO. And so, you know, they they did this massive undertaking of sculpting, all the faces of the president's. And so it it would appear that these presidential masks or these presidential face are being reused, actually several places. And it's some of it's subjective. I'll admit that some of it. It's pretty obvious. So let me just go through a couple of them. Jane, president James Buchanan as Gutenberg. Andrew Jackson as the printer standing behind him. And that one is pretty obvious. It's it's you know, he's got like that that that longer nose, and that longer chin William Taft does that AGIP shin priest is the, you know, the guy standing off to the side. Teddy Roosevelt as the centurion. I don't know if I see that one so much actually, no, I guess he supposed to be the the guy, you know, handing off the thing to the century. Because Zachary Taylor is supposedly the century. From oats, John Adams has a monk John Tyler as the Turkish guy with the big giant hedge? I don't call it a turbine because I'm not sure that's called it perhaps it is. But it's just that that the headlight head-dress huge Franklin Pierce as the scholar over to the left across from from the Turks, and then Dwight D Eisenhower playing the mandolin now that brings up an interesting because I because I think the girl who's playing the violin. There is also the daughter in in Russia, but the last Patricia. Yeah. In the nineties seen that Christmas scene. Yep. I think so to that point then I heard that the guy playing and I can see it two of the guy playing the lute. You know slash mandolin, or whatever it's dilute actually is is you know, I just said that he was a white the Eisenhower. But also I can see that he looks like the dad the main character from care saw progress as well. So surely one of those family reunion, right, which is the family re. Oh, the nineties would be the family reunion would because the renaissance I. Wow. Okay. So say you have some notes on the outside of this structure, real quick. What do you mean? That was my. That was my. I have some notes. Welcome to the podcast. You should go back. And listen to the first part. It was really good. But hey before we before we wrap up there. It was announced just a couple of months ago that the spaceship earth was going to be shutting down for two years. At least we think two years two years. Basically they're saying that it is going to shut down in twenty nineteen and not reopened until. Twenty twenty twenty one. Yeah. For the for the fiftieth. So we've got we've got the fortieth coming up for app cot. So so I'm not sure which one I think it might be for the big forty my even be for fifty. But in this thing is shutting down for two years. And there's there's we've gotta think that every every number one, I don't think any of the other innovations of taken this long, but everytime renovation has taken place. There has been a narrating change. There has been to change us exchange and chew that descent kind of the last half of it. There's been a major change every time, which if this is truly the the path of communication that man has taken they're going to have to make some major changes because just like those computer moments in the second. Refer put them in the history ready than in the future. There are going to be some other things that than right because be part of history. Two thousand seven I believe is when the iphone came out when the smartphone came out. It it. I mean that that's when the last refurbishment was done, and yes, maybe they nodded to it. I'm not sure if they knew they were nodding to it or not there certainly nodding to the personal computer in, you know, the ipod and those apple products. But I don't think that I'm not sure that they were totally nodding to the the the smartphone which was a game changer thousand seven so they have that to address they have all sorts of so media social media. Yeah. I mean, you know, Facebook was the thing. But nobody was on it only two thousand seven right in general. You was it my space. My space my space, so bad. I had pillow fights like every day on my. Feeling. So I'm gonna give you first stab at this in twenty twenty again when it opens again in in in twenty twenty two. Or whenever what what is what do you think the big change is going to be? The narrator. And guesses prefering means I really wanted to Benedict Cumberbatch personally, I can totally see that. When I love that. When you watch the Jeremy Irons version of it. It's it's you it's almost Benedict Cumberbatch. It sounds like that I could totally and there's a real logical tie-in with marvel. It's not necessarily a Tien. But there's a relationship there for sure just like Jeremy Irons was already had that relationship with Disney with The Lion King. You you definitely I can definitely see that. That's if that is true, please include a penguin scene. Say ping, ping, ping. The other thing is I think they might change the your future video at the end. I I'd be happy with that. Because I'm kind of tired of pretty sure I know almost story lines. Yeah. I would I would think that you know, if they if so Walter Cronkite was one of the narrators I can see doing James Earl Jones, just because of the prestige. That's there. You know, Helen Mirren, maybe I'm trying to think, you know, Emily blunt. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the could probably not. But maybe though, she's got the tie in now too. She's got the real strong Taya now. With Mary Poppins. She's plus, delightful, lovely voice. Yeah. It could be it could be all sorts of people. I think the poach me. I would I would say with all the projection that they've done in all the advances projection. I think that the the top of the the the halfway point or the top of the the the speier is probably going to change dramatically Habet about we see some spectacular things around that like you were saying I feel like they've got to address social media the way in which we communicate with each other the way. Yeah. I mean the way that that even media itself has become democratized. Beano that seems like a really serious point. But they tackle that. They've always tangled that kind of thing. So anyway, there's any not scared, and here's what I read this a couple times. And I and I really think this they're going to have to do this. Speaking of map projection is I think the exterior because you know, in nineteen ninety nine they brought up that Mickey arm with the wand that said two thousand on it, and then in two thousand one that was changed to say up caught and then two thousand seventy just remove that one altogether. It wasn't twenty sixteen that we saw this map projection to the exterior in was an overlay for rogue one. It was promotion for rogue one. But it was the death star. And that was really sophisticated and that looked really good. I played an accurate that thing was destroyed who will not. Ring one. Before it was destroyed. So I would say that. Yeah. I would say that they're probably going to have to. Utilize that in a way, that's that's we were talking about this the way the tree of life gets the projection show on. It's not hardly would studios. Gets that yellow great. Great overlays the nighttime spectacular. Right. That's that's fantastic. That's rivers of light. You know in. Of course, there's a luminary and enu elimination show coming, but I do think that they're going to bring some some show entertainment value to spaceship earth, especially while it's down. Yeah. I mean, they're going to have to do something. Yeah. Yeah. So it sounds stands on its own as a park icon. You know, I didn't even know there was an attraction in there. I think it's just cool looking it can sit there for two years and still be cool and functional and still inviting but lots of changes coming lots of changes coming so and that's to future world in. Ah in. We'll have to tackle that in some one of these other future world attraction things, but there's a right through. But there's there's a lot happening there for sure so Amy give us a quick reminder about how people can find us on social and all the things the soc. Here's the soc notes on Twitter. People can find us at ride at ride through pod on Twitter. Yeah. My notes in front of me is right through at ride your pod, and for Pinterest and Instagram, it's at ride through pavilion and check us out 'cause we're awesome. But if you don't think we're awesome. You be sure to review as if you have some way to review our podcast, you can review as and that helps kind of get the word out about us. If you have constructive criticism. We're happy to hear it. Don't just yell at us and be creeps. You'll be mean up in Maine, but beyond. Yeah. We love the love. If you love us, let us know to right? We'll take that to anyway. All right. Well, hey, listen. We gotta scoot. We hope that you've enjoyed our coverage of spaceship earth. We are looking forward to in a couple years doing this all over again because there's going to be something. I think majorly different about it when it reopened. So that'll be a lot of fun. Okay. Well in the meantime, join us next week. We're going to be having another great right through of episode, and we can't wait to share that with you. But in the meantime on behalf of Liam and myself, I'm Jeremy Amy Fianna and we'll see next time on.

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Whats Next for Design Speaks Podcast  Episode 124

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Whats Next for Design Speaks Podcast Episode 124

"Welcome to design speaks. We're here to chat about music. Pop Culture Cool places. I'm basically whatever we feel. Bill is brought up. Welcome to design speaks. I'm brandy see and you're listening. Episode One twenty four. This week I am all alone. Michelle is officially gone from the design speaks podcast and I wasn't able to record a guest in time this week. kind of got away from me. Poor Kenny has been really sick so I'm here by myself but I I decided that instead of doing an encore episode or trying to squeeze squeeze in an interview that I was going to have to produce a last minute meant. I thought that I could kind of talk today about my thoughts on the direction that I hope this podcast is going to take. I really want to Sort of think out loud and share with you guys Some things that are going to stay the same And some things that will definitely be changing I don't have a lot of specifics but I do have some thoughts. I wanted to share those with you. Guys is so I I do want to share a song. I've been listening to some new musically and besides Christmas music. They come saving a Christmas song for closer to Christmas. But this week my song is called morning is made by van called the hush kids. It's a very slow and in deliberate and wintry but the lyrics are really nice so I wanted to play it for you guys. You gave You for income to start off so so that is the song. Morning is made by hush kids. I really like that. It's it's sort of feels a little bit emotional a The way that the song is sort of made it. It's very representative for me of the season of change I've known basically basically since the beginning of fall that Michelle was going to be leaving and so I've just been thinking a lot about you know how we're literally in the season of things dying slash hibernating and Sort of sleeping for a little while. I'm waiting to wake up again in the spring and so In thinking about that I listened to the lyrics sentences when I wake when it appears a new day has begun I feel like I'm not there yet. I don't know that the new day is yet but no it is coming in regards to this podcast and A lot of things are having to kind of go to sleep for a little while L.. Says the morning is made start over again. Everything's waiting for you and that's sort of like this idea of hope and there is there is so much waiting on the other side of you know all this sort of what feels like chaos to me regarding this podcast I'm excited excited. I know that new things are great and I want to share a lot of that stuff with you on the podcast today but before I do that A couple of things. I've been up to just I wanNA update you guys. Besides all the planning and thinking about this I've been working on some clients. I just finished rereading well audio. Audio book reading I've read the book a couple of times. The illustrated man by Ray Bradbury. So now I can start the process for that book cover project. So that's it's exciting I'm also working on a new single cover for Kelly transferred Michelle's husband. I'm working on a couple of brand strategy clients that I need to finish before before Christmas so got a lot going on but I. I think I'm gonNA feel very accomplished. I guess it's a full full season. I'M GONNA I'm GonNa try just busy busy sound so like oh I'm so busy but I think that it's a full season and I'm okay with that. I have also been just Christmas shopping. Trying to decorate my house for Christmas or a little too weak behind her. So but it's no big deal. It's fine travel planning trying to decide where we want to take our kids. We usually go on a little weekend trip for the holidays just to kind of escape the chaos. That is Christmas so yeah full season happy to be in it. Ah but I'm excited for what the New Year's going to bring so let's talk about the podcast. I WANNA share with you. What I'm thinking like? How how this podcast is gonNA look in the coming weeks and months I will have some guests on for the rest of December? I already have three or four scheduled and so I will definitely definitely be having some more conversations with some people that you guys have heard a couple of them and one of them will be brand new. So that's really exciting. And then the first week in January will be a best of twenty nine thousand nine episode. So I'm excited slash a little overwhelmed to go through who all of two thousand nineteen episodes. Kinda pull out some of my favorite clips or favorite guests topics stuff like that after that. Here's here's kind of the big bombshell for are you guys. I'm going to be taking off. TWO MONTHS FROM DESIGN SPEAKS TO PLAN AND PREP and design everything for What this this is going to look like in the future it will still be called design? Speaks that's not changing but I really felt like I did not have the resource of time and energy resources of time and energy to devote to making sure that when we re launched this that it is going to be better than ever so Oh march is when I'm looking to sort of relaunch so stay subscribed I may have some extra little things just surprises every now and then To share with you guys but I wanted to make sure that you knew that there will be a two month kind of break and then I will be coming back. So don't go anywhere. Please still follow us on instagram. Check on the Patriot. I will be sharing with patrons the process of choosing a CO host. I will be sharing being Topic ideas and format ideas and all sorts of things with all our patrons over there so if if you want some behind the scenes input and sneak peeks that will be where you can find. It design speaks podcast on a Patriot Fan. So there's some things I know for sure I we'll be doing with design speaks and some things that I know. I still need to figure out but I wanted to get on here this week and share with you. The things that I know will definitely stay the same and some things things that I know. We'll be changing so some things that I know. I want to keep the same. I want to make sure that this podcast. Whatever direction it takes that it stays? It's really conversational. I don't want it to be overly formal. I don't want it to feel inaccessible to anyone. I think that the conversational aspect that that this podcast has had these close to three years has been a strong point and has made it really relatable available for people so I really want to keep that. I also plan to keep huge focus on process inspiration and color. These three things are still my passion and they inform every single thing that I do and create and design and really shaped the format of this podcast. And I think that that's really crucial that I stay true to those things. Communiqu is also a big part of my process and in that I still plan to bring music to add to the ever. Growing awesome designs speaks playlist playlist on spotify. So hopefully my co host will be able to bring that as well if not I will always bring music so you can always count on me some things that are going to be changing changing so another big announcement in addition to Michelle leaving Joel our show notes and transcription producer will be leaving us us at the end of December as well She she has some things that she needs to spend her time on and You know with all the change. That's happening thing. I think it was a good time for her to be able to step down and not feel like she's WHO's letting anybody down? So we're super grateful that she has been with us and been able to contribute to this. podcast how she has and she may be popping in every now and then as well just to say hello and so thank you Joel for for for being a part of design. Speak podcast all this time. The other things that are going to change are basically now I kind of have the freedom to explore our format ormat a little bit and the format is basically like how the show is structured. Right now you know we do the intro and we kind of chat a little bit and share music and then we talk about the topic and move on to the next episode. But I don't know if I want that to stay the same. I think that there might. It'd be some some cool new things that we can do in that arena. So I'm I'm trying to figure that part out I don't know what Co host I'm going to have yet and so a a lot of a lot of the format is going to depend on that and possibly just need to shift into something new. I also think I'm going in to be shifting the podcast from every week for an entire year and the seven weeks sabbatical to season's done done done and that will be probably the biggest major change for the podcast. I don't know what that will look like exactly. I don't know if it will be seven episode assode season or two seasons ear. I'm not really sure I still have to kind of work. That out and figure out what I want that to look like if I wanted to be topic based East or switch up co hosts every now and then I don't know so that's that's sort of like very fluid but I do know that I want it to be season based raced ultimately it makes the most sense for me. If for some reason I find a co host and I end up doing most of this on my own especially in and the production side of producing the podcast editing promoting doing all the graphics and everything to produce one hour of a podcast that can take upwards upwards of five to ten hours and I just don't have that time to spend every single week so that's another reason. I wanted to take off the two months of January in February. Two kind of record and prepare at least part of of the first part of the first season. I guess it's not really the season we'll call. We'll call this whole two and and a half almost three years with Michelle season one so we'll be season. Two of design speaks. We'll be launching in March of twenty twenty. So that's exciting. There's there's a lot of. There's a lot of exciting things about doing seasons and taking breaks and it makes the most sense for for me and where I'm at in my business and with my family and to still just really do this podcast justice this also considering doing a theme for those seasons. It's still something I'm playing with and there's something that I just WanNa make sure everything. I do is focused on the things that I'm passionate about. Oh bring people value the other thing. That's changing is. We started out the podcast wanting to kind of explain things to non designers kind of show. Show this this world and how the podcast be approachable for both designers and non designers. It's slowly already. been sort of shifting towards being more creative creative professional and designer focused. Even if Michelle had stayed on we were very likely going to be shifting into this other space more so and I've decided that at that's the best course of action at this point that it'd being a podcast for designers and non designers it's going to be a podcast focused on designers and professional creatives or aspiring designers and professional creatives. I think that we have enough of a back catalog of answers for people that maybe don't understand things that we can share and refer back to and there's there's a lot of things that we can talk about moving forward for the designers who are already in this world and the creatives who are in this world so I may try and incorporate video. Oh I've been wanting to do that for a long time but it's really. It's another few hours of work to do that. And so it's possible that if we're not doing a weekly episode assode every single week that I will be able to devote a little bit of extra time for doing some stuff like videos and putting this up on Youtube or exclusive content for patrons and things like that. So that's something that's also sort of in the running for things I'd like to do so during the months of January February I'll be testing out co-hosts to see who might be able to complement. What I I bring and also fill the spaces that I don't I don't want it to just be two versions of me? I think that having someone that is different is really beneficial all albion. Revamping the look of the cover art and also developing a full branch strategy for design speaks surprising. I never did that for for for the podcast before I mean have a look and I have colors and those those colors will stay the same. But I didn't really ever develop a fool strategy for for the podcast and I think that at this stage that's going to be really really kind of necessary. Well the guy that does our voice over the cool British guide side is no longer accessible. We can't he's he's gone from the platform where we got the voice over before so I'm going to be finding a new voice person as as well as writing new intro script. So that's going to be fun and until I find someone who has some editing skills who's willing to either you know help us out and be a part of the team or I don't know find editing company. I don't know to help out Kenny. My poor husband is going to be the interim interim editor poor guy. He has a lot on his plate. But I know that he's he's so much faster. Like if I tried to edit this podcast it will take me a week just to get an an episode out so really thankful that he has the skills to be able to help me in the in the main Hal. So there's a lot to do and I hope I didn't overwhelm you guys. I just really. He was kind of wanting to share. My thoughts. Share my feelings about where this thing is going to go. I'm really excited to see what new things I can do to bring more value value to you the precious listeners. Please stick with me during this transition. I appreciate your patience as always you can you can email me brandy brandy. C Dot Com. You can find me on. INSTAGRAM brandy. See facebook Lincoln anywhere on social media. That's anything worth doing is UH UH someplace I probably am already so find me. Send me your ideas feedback. I'd love to hear from you to see what you think about the direction that this is going and thoughts on the things. Maybe that I've said are sort of ideas and a little bit more fluid and yeah. I'm super grateful for you and I'm excited. I know I keep using excited. I needed the service. I'm really looking forward to new things on this podcast and figuring out some stuff so until next week I hope you guys have an awesome. Rest a viewer a week and a big thanks to call an vesper teen and that is definitely something that will be staying on this podcast. His song will not be going anywhere and yeah check out our patriotic and I will hopefully be back not. Hopefully I will be back next week with an interview guest. I believe it will either be dominant or hugh ever so so exciting times. You feel We'll just say precious will free.

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How will youtubes new policy on not ad-targeting kids impact creators?  (The Daily SUPERCharge, 8/22/2019)

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How will youtubes new policy on not ad-targeting kids impact creators? (The Daily SUPERCharge, 8/22/2019)

"On today's daily charged supercharged addition how broad is the impact of youtube new policy on not ad targeting kids should content creators be concerned. Also we rumble more more about androids missed opportunities alright so we've reached out favorite part of this show the live q. and a. now the daily charge greatly it depends on our audience feedback. If you have questions or comments about today's topics. Would you cut the cord. Are you glad that those ads going or would you just buy them off in the chattan chattan heaters up on twitter so make sure you <hes> get a slows questions in and baby j. What do you what topics questions today obviously. There's a lot of chatter going on abou- out android q. android ten android x. beta. Whatever i don't care anymore <hes> i am completely disenfranchised and heartbroken this morning to wake up to for that news <hes> that was very very boring and disappointing and i think we should move on from the topic but no one else will <hes> let's go ahead and throw to our old friend is <hes> the alphabet city guy for some he says ten is my favorite dessert. What's yours look. I'm i'm here in the states and you can obviously actually tell from the accent. I went out to a restaurant the other night where dessert was literally. Just a bowl of sweden whipped cream so i don't know that maybe americans can be trusted to name things up to desserts and candy. He knows traditional american desert hamburgers. It's got all the important food groups in that. I don't know i was i was trolling around on trying to find a cool name for it. This morning and the best i could come up with was like kingston. Yara caddy didn't think that's really counted so be. You don't unlike the name what would you recommend. What is your cue. Alternative recommendation is for someone at google. Try harder well with with and just put it out to like an audience vote so i guess they didn't really try there and then oreo cap. They just partnered up there. Yeah oreos those are known around the world but i just think there is big outside the state so when everyone was like that's a universally loved cookie owes like i mean this is his naming things. I definitely see how going global and recognizing that. They've got the big kids shoes on now that they can't just stop coal everything after a lawley but you know it's a little disappointing now. Do you nougat nougat gosh. Everybody knew it sounds zero so i. I don't think it makes sense. It's i mean they've half billion devices around the world that are active right now you you can't just play a regional game the naming you have to have something that's consistent and there's nothing more consistent than numbers. Yeah i suppose so and i'm kinda came to yet. It's boring to some of the faces when they roll out because i'm a cane android user so you know things like privacy controls. That's a really big. One apple played really hard with that at the w._w._e. Say conference. We sold them talking about being able to control well what information you get out there. I think that's a really big topic in the new era so you'll be all became to see what features actually come to phones along with the name. I'm curious. Who's go to eleven i to just do that spinal tap. Oh yeah someone's going to do it. Gets there first. It's the apple in september is android engineer next year you speaking language speaking language all right what else we got an animal thoughts on any thoughts on q. <hes> well. I just want to give a quick shout out to our friends over the verge. I don't know who wrote this but whoever came up with the <hes> the sub headline google quietly cautions. It's naming quandary. Um delicious absolutely the best part of today besides the fact hey little trivia. It is ray bradbury's birthday so i thought i'd bring that up so i can put a little bit of a positive spin on what is otherwise really lame news. <hes> michael brown says so is it safe to say now that we know android is only in its tenth version that as a platform it can't be compared compared to his upcoming thirteenth version now. Let it be known michael brown resident apple fan. He's always got really intelligent things to say contributing to the positive <unk> aspects of apple one most of us take jabs at him. I i'm curious to think like will ten being a shift shift in the paradigm for google for android will. They actually put a little extra effort into it. I think we've seen all there is to see what the beta i mean. I think i'd like to hope there's a couple of tricks up their sleeves that they didn't necessarily reveal with the beta <hes> my comment on the ten thirteen like you know numbers the meaningless and note which was at the not skipped one. We had one of the devices skip a number of the nord. I wasn't a thing thing and then like. I feel like ten thirteen. It's not one is better than the other. Hopefully we do nine. That's it right because of. I heard that that was the kind of coding thing because of it was like if windows nine x referring to things like ninety five windows ninety seven it was just like a basic thing being in the architecture of how how everything was structured behind the scenes. I don't know if that's true feel free to just like hit us up until eight nine joke yeah right. Oh gosh i don't know i want. I want to see some famous coming out because it feels like we see a lot of attention around i._o._s. And cool features that come with that o._s. I'm hoping that android uses get some kind of six new tips and tricks but i don't know whether we will have seen everything from beta. I mean there was there was quite a bit in there with things like gesture. Control privacy controls things like location tracking as a as a privacy knock. I'm very keen on kind of being shut that off. I think the next time will see a big release. Round android android ten now will be when google. I guess finally releases the pixel for that. They've been talking about and teasing for. I guess now months. There's going to be something they've already start talking about. <hes> some of the voice assistant google assistant improvements that are going to be coming to the next pixel so we'll be be interesting to see what they do there. <hes> the thing that's curious to me about android ten is foldable displays. Obviously that category has taken a massive step back with everything that's been going on with the fold one of the big points of android ten when it was announced when it was called you know android q. with all that women seem to the time obsessive the simpler times was that it would support folds will displace. Obviously we haven't had a foldable phone really come out to the market while always been delayed sampson's been in delayed. Who knows you know who else had stuff. There's rumors of motorola laser. Were foldable is a good to have that kind of functionality baked in even if you don't use visit straight away a good example is the new generation of the apple watch in australia. We don't have <hes> kind of f._d._a. Approval for e._k._g. Functionality so it's capable kabuki like it's the actual device it can give you an echocardiogram but you can actually use it in drought just switched off so maybe it makes sense to have support for audibles in there but it's not fully activated and unleashed on the world yes and not having it on loose on the world is is obviously disappointing for those who don't get access access to new features but having them baked into the u._s. Can also push manufacturers who don't have to focus on the software side to focus on innovating around the hardware sign which is what they do best <hes> yeah so i would say that having on the on the software is great yeah okay awesome all right baby jake thoughts on on android q. I'm interested steve. Is everyone like super obsessed with this q. ten nine much but i will give another shoutout to brian who came to my rescue and he pointed out that there is a i. I believe it is a spanish dish. I'm going to try to pronounce. It and i'm going to butcher it. <hes> quiche edina and it's just like sweet cupcake thing. Take a look at this. That's the android should've done. Doesn't that look appetizing. Doesn't that look <hes> massively appealing round flavor discs yes. I'm not even sure what it's made made of. I'm going to go watch. This recipe. Later probably more disappointed in that. We've got to stop doing this. Shi- before lines right yeah anyways just proof in the pudding saying that there is a queue based dessert out there. Oh as they call it. They call it pudding. Yes proof is in the pudding. Don't you call everything in putting in england. I well not may. I don't live in england but everything's pudding. Everything's dinner and everything sweeties and gosh. That's the other problem we called gulf coal things different things around the world so i see why the going to numbers numbers other universal language very good point all right taking a look back at the chat. Here's one from i'm terry. They all look alike sound alike. Do everything alike might as well call modern phones the duck. What does that mean. I give give it looks like a duck and walks like quacks like a duck and it's i'm hoping that's what he means otherwise like he's just going real surrealist on us and just bringing inelegant of data into the show today and we've gone weird around the show so why not matthew dacha how long until we move beyond ten mack has been on x. since two thousand thousand good point. I don't think there's windows. Ten has been on ten for a couple of years now too yeah so i don't know why people for wide technology companies are so hung up on the number ten yeah. It's like a full completeness thing that four elements to numbers that have these kind of the round on this to me and our two thousand was a way of saying something was really futuristic in the nineties. I ironically appealing a country that refuses to a doc still stuck in the empirical form of measurement icon even talk to you about this. Why don't you join the metric system. It's great. Everything's based ten. You just bring it up by. Take me it would make my life easier in electrical engineering. That's for damn sure. I'm personally mad at you. Brian and i'm gonna i'm gonna continue this crusade because if someone tells calls me that it's seventy three degrees outside one more time and i just have to sit there with his vacant look on my face as i quietly convert it will defend fair in high only because it does seem more daunting to say it's a hundred outside. If you wanna talk about round numbers something that's gonna scare me from going outside again. It's one hundred thirty two degrees outside. I'm thinking okay. I'll take jacket. That's not what thirty two degrees celsius yes jacket. Bundling up is a bad idea yeah. It stays daily today. I think it's thirty two today. I had someone describe at fahrenheit. You just remember is like how comfortable you are. I think of it as a percentage hundred your mac seventy three. That's a really good comfortable. The three quarters of the way temperatures this has been weather chat on daily charge happy to bring it to you every <hes> every thursday the twenty second of august yeah yeah i look. I think it's a beautiful number. The imperial system is <hes> is broken. That's my take college. Football season is back and with one hundred and thirty teams in the f. b. s. There is a lot to keep track of the easiest way to say informed is by subscribing subscribing to the college football daily where i tap and my co host trae scott are catching you up on and breaking down the days college football news once per weekday all within fifteen minutes or fewer find the college football daily wherever you listen to podcasts or by going to twenty four seven sports dot com slash podcast and subscribing driving to the college football daily and while you're there find the podcast that is dedicated to covering nothing but your favorite college football team that's twenty four seven sports dot com forward slash podcast p. o. s. t. It's not a very hot take at all <hes>. Let's do something good for somebody. Our friend as ben is visually impaired so accessibility is very key for them. When buying devices will the new android accessibility options be better than apple's. That's a really a good question. I think i mean obviously a lot of device. Makers hardware manufacturers are moving towards that because well i mean sometimes it makes <unk> sense in terms of just making all of their consumers happy and they're realizing that accessibility is a big part of the market and sometimes it also makes sense for everybody. You know way out. We saw that with w._w. Day say one of the faces a lot of time talking about him one of their first ads about iowa's thirteen out of w._w._e.'s it was focusing on accessibility and it's great to see that finally after all this time technology companies google microsoft microsoft obviously having xbox adaptive controller earlier that super bowl ad they ran earlier this year finally focusing on a market. That's long been ignored is long overdue and and not that this is a justification for doing it because the <hes> targeting customers who need accessibility options should be the end in and of itself but we've some of the features announced at w._d._c. they they kind of good for the mass market as well some of those the ability for the <hes> the kind of the inputs and ability to bring a cable and in that was designed as an exit accessibility feature but it makes sense for everyone so i think some of these features aw wean off everyone and if they're not then they aunt any kind of impediments to anyone else so why wouldn't she just bite them in in terms of whether if you're buying <hes> device to device what's going to be. I'm no that i mean my understanding is apple is still probably the strongest in market on accessibility. We have a lot of chats with them about the features they bringing out and trying to design accessible devices. I think maybe it's gotta be when we say the actual. Android tan was about to say q. again. Let me say it roll out. We might get to go hand on some of those things and really see how they work but i think yeah that's a good question that i'm not able to directly ons us. We still have to see the final i._o._s. Thirteen and android ten yeah exactly weekly which one is better or worse yeah but other way the fact that apple's spending so much time on this with iowa's thirteen and google starting to talk about a more pushing each other to make it better and i think things like live captioning. That's really good for the hearing impaired community. <hes> gesture controls may be making things easier to use rather than having to fiddle with tiny buttons. I say those as as big wins yeah all right we have a few minutes left so let's shift gears. A lot of people who wanna talk about youtube was well under some really good commentary here. Yan says so what happens to those content creators create content for kids like ryan nine reviews toys <hes> will they see a significant decline in revenue. That might be unfair to them now. Let's point. There's not to take away from the wholesomeness that there is potential advertisers <hes> and content for younger audiences but will that impact these content creators who are specifically appealing to that younger demographic. I think quite potentially chilly. It could bounce you pass to navigate. That's that's part of. This problem is figuring out a way to clean up the mess while not harming the people that make the platform awesome so great and that's something that's been their problem with every aspect of all these issues that they've had is rooting out the bad still keeping the good yeah in the in the bloomberg berg story they spoke to some experts who said that they estimate you choose revenue from children's media at being between five hundred to seven hundred fifty million leeann a year and one of the experts say the analysts spoke to said potentially they could be curbing revenues there by about ten percents of maybe fifty million. It's it's hard to know but it definitely is a feature where you'll say ad ad buyers and the advertising community they really liked to be able to target as <unk> as closely as possible not just people watching basketball videos but maybe people from the age of thirty five to forty three who are interested in buying basketball sneakers because they also have a pet dog that they go running with so maybe being able to track that less is going to be a problem but i think if you build your whole model on targeting children in such shows sort of a nationwide. There's probably something that's broken in any way. I would think that hopefully kids content if it becomes the standard across the board that everyone has is to play by these new rules then advertisers will target niche kids creative so like the ryan reviews toys. I think it was maybe they'll be able to say right well. We know that your channel just on boxing's only know that your channel just talks about pepper pig so we are going to target and make sure that our ads you're on on your channel so maybe those nations creators will actually win out of this because i have a very clear peppis channel and with all these changes one thing that's been constant. It's everybody adapts for for good and for bad when youtube or google rolls out an algorithm change. Everybody changes what they're doing to accommodate so. I think that people wallet is going to be something to navigate. I do think that they will be fine because everyone's going to follow whatever it is. I guess youtube is laying down. Absolutely i mainly so that with the news industry industry saying a lot of their stories get posted on facebook and how they're an ad revenue streams change all these companies adapt they all. They all constantly pivot to work with how the market works. I think ultimately the win for the kids is <hes> going to be the thing that rules out in the end yeah. I'm a little floored. They haven't been able to enact a little bit more <hes>. I want to say organization aggregation a little bit more human involvement would have gone a long way in this case now. Don't they have of a separate youtube kids app. Why can't they just kind of sort that hierarchy put this content. They're restricted. I mean they should have no problem turning adding that into a whole new app or platform itself right yeah. I mean i think the issues you're so than done. It's just going to youtube dot com our opening up the youtube app on their phone and searching their age verify that stuff man was that age verify it i can but then you have to have people log in every time people always always tell the truth about their age on the internet thing i mean we heard just i heard this week. That youtube is the second largest search engine in the world so people aren't going to google dot com and topping this urge they go into youtube and typing in this search this it's so much there's you know billions of hours of content went on there. You have to rely on machines. You have to rely on kind of intelligence systems to do the heavy lifting for you hopefully with some sort of human level of moderation but this is the perpetual struggle that companies have they constantly balancing the need for human level moderation with the ability to just mess move everything through because they need to just have a view over the content that's going up onto their platform facebook the issue with human moderators saying that they i was seeing some really terrible things in their jobs as moderators so it's really hot songs even when you have the human moderators. You really want people knowing what what you're doing. I mean that's a that's a discussion. We're having right now around. Hey i in digital systems now microsoft apple. You know everybody google everybody. I think google as well have been using these contractors to help fine tune amazon. I believe as well fine tune their digital assistance yes. It's kind of having a human will like when i asked my echo something and i assume that it's just being handled by a machine. I think one of the big ones was facebook. Messenger voice to text they discovered that actually humans will listening to some of those voice messages and maybe uses didn't realize that level of human oversight was happening so so suddenly it's not just a machine. That's just anonymously looking at these dada it someone listening to your conversation. It's a really interesting point as well yeah well. We're at the end of the road. Unfortunately we are a little bit out of time a little bit over to be honest but that's okay because it was a good conversation today. I didn't bring up before we say goodbye that brian points out <hes> other youtubers that when they get democratized or they're hurting for support they can turn to things like patriot or direct sponsorship in their video so that might be the best of course of action for people seeing impact is what are we. Is this going to be like add. Pacalypse two kids edition. Is that what we're going with here. It very well could be add apocalypse to you heard it here first on thanks again for joining us. Everybody who's watching just a reminder that we do stream live here on youtube on periscope and end at c._n._n. Dot com slash daily charge weekday mornings at eleven fifteen am a stone now. If you are enjoying the show please go ahead like comment. Subscribe describe ring. The bell smashed the bell us up on twitter. You can join us every morning for the daily charge. I am claire riley. Thank you so much for watching.

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The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury

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The Illustrated Man by Ray Bradbury

"Uh-huh joan you're looking well thank you i have been a been assaulted by insects this week based i keep visas i was going to collect a swarm was already hived up by this elderly rather marvez mangled jim weekend's who is one of those people who jim's been keeping bees forever and of course never has any fail or anything just go a little b.'s fine you just get that stuff it in grass in the front of the hive status but a baling twine over the top you can take it home buyer an come in the evening he said come when they're out so i said no of course i know i beat what enough not to try and do anything when they're active so get an across it was an evening but it was warmed sultry and the base was still there was still quite a few of them around now i've said i had a sort of light linen shirts on novell no gloves so just allow me that many of them started stuffing immediately got stung in my hand and then it's more than one thought in my bed another one stone i'm looking at my michael ninety one side of my face my hand was like a balloon yeah i mean i'm looking a lot better than i look yesterday but the only problem was i found the antihistamine i had this makes you really sleepy so i don't know we're about to talk about i do stories i don't know whether the stories that i've actually read all the stories i read a lot of these stories this week and i'm not sure what i'm actually remembering correctly or they sort of merged into dreams ah but maybe that's the effect that the author wanted and you you've been sick as a dog insecure douglas wake that there's no much to i'm ready he's not looking and he's he's he's looking initiators propel even if my wife who's encouraged me for many years to lose a bit of ways as clicking disapproving tongue ongoing god's sake pizza say you've done it now because if you hit the target right i have i've i'm no longer donuts but you might be dying sadly you might be successful straight zero i'm scared for racial what do i go we need a holiday weekend away in the countryside recording that listed elliott oh well we've gone and we can't talk about it i should we start hello welcome to back misted the podcast that gives new life to old books today you find in wisconsin at dusk in the early nineteen fifties a man walking towards us his shirt removed in his body covered in what looked like colored tattoos but as we draw closer we see that the images covering skin rockets phantoms people are moving on mitchelson the publisher of unbound the platform where readers crowd fund books they really want to read i'm andy miller author of the year bring dangerously joining us today is family hello sam i have met four how old you are very well thank you sam is the literary editor of the spectator and the host of their books podcast excellent thank you very and his most recent book is right to the point runs to the point w i never riches entitled how to be clear correction persuasive on the page and he's currently trying to write a month by chronicle of twenty nine thousand in rhyme royal kasese rhyme royal forget migrants i'm royal that nobody was going to take ten thousand lines of couplets the appetite has gone so i taught short answer instead and standard i wanted to do off ordonez lettuce little byron so i went what's he done that and it must be the barn stands but it wasn't ron row which is a b. a. b. b. c. c. i'm now really fucking trying to find rhymes for farraj oh aw and where do you live well i delivered the second week of november which means that december might be slightly thin not the second guest is jennifer lucy allen hallo hallo jan rutta on sound and music who has just submitted appearance on for corn safe correct and that is an instrumental of why you joined us today to talk about whoever we're we're gonna about so yes it is yes blamed yukos and she'll be turning the accident who book for lee braxton's new imprint at orion she runs the record label able oilcloth editions is an occasional presenter bbc radio three's late junction roy regularly for the warrior golden qantas and others the book that salmon and he talks about is the illustrated man by ray bradbury a collection of eighteen stories first published by doubleday in nineteen fifty up up appropriately enough it says first published by doubleday in the year one nine thousand five hundred twenty typing this at the last last minute surely the first published by doubleday in nineteen fifty one which is no one eight hundred international fantasy award in nineteen fifty two but before we plunge into into to stella freefall andy what if you've been reading i've been reading a book by lure coming called on chapel sans subtitle my mother and other missing persons dozens laura has been our guest on back listed so we must state that interest she was here to talk about django them's a long way from rona which which is one of my favorite books that we have done on this coast over the years and we also talked about her lost the vanishing man about the last quest yes on episode five of back listed way back when we did christie's own double entry with could just is coming out amazing talent we been going ninety episodes ago so this book came out a couple of weeks oh maybe a month i reviewed this for sam at the spectator and get very incestuous well i was really blown away by the book's it's been guessing uniformly brilliant reviews you don't have to trust me you can trust professor john kerry or you can trust craig brown or you can trust blake morrison morrison who i have i think responded to a real culmination in what lura coming has been doing in her rising up to this point that was certainly how i felt about the book it seemed that she had found a way of marrying her skills as a own critic with a personal story that she had been waiting many years to royds it felt like the kind of book that somebody limbers up for by voicing other all the books and then they get to do the one they really want to do i didn't want to give too much of the way it starts on chapel stands ends as the title suggests with a young girl playing about a hundred years ago away from her parents when her parents france look up she isn't there anymore and she turns up several days later in a village she's returned to her parents everybody knows what happened nobody will say anything about it and it takes approximately fifty years for anyone to begin to tell the go who is lower cummings mother what happened to her not only in those three days but why why she was taken and why nobody would took bassett so the book takes superficially that kind of mystery story and what laura does is apply a kind of all critics forensic roy to family photographs to her a mother's written accounts of what happened and to history and local history and local archive to build up a picture to try roy and find out what happened who her mother as and therefore who she is and she doesn't solve dole that mystery until the final page of the book what i loved about is it seemed like the work of someone who was extremely good at what i do and every type of racing in the book is a great and the structure of the book is magnificent it sounds like i've presented as they're holding the reveal till the very last page of the book but it's for culmination of the book of the themes of the book more than the narrative of the breeds absolutely one fourth why don't say too much about it i just like to read a little bit here about certain chapters of based around paintings and broncos landscape with the full of ecus is a painting the was in cummings house the first image my mother ever owned it was cut out of an art book and stuck on a piece of cardboard and put on the wall and there is a sentence here that i i think he's as brilliant and true and easy and profound as anything that i've read this year so i'll just give you a taste my parents had hundreds of images in the house photographs of newspapers reproductions pinza walls postcards from distant galleries sent by their friends growing up i collected these initial books beginning with the cave paintings of lesko and ending i seem to think with your on a sunday on legrand jet sent by an american student of my father's old away from chicago but the braga was special sacred a world both light and dark and mesmerizing plainly a narrative that any child could follow and and yet powerfully strange even to adults hung in the hall and then in the kitchen and eventually in the small cottage in the scottish borders where my parents later went to live we looked at it by night and by day by johnson purpose on the way to and from school over meals on our way upstairs to bed in the cottage it hung hung directly above the old table shoved against the damn wall in the kitchen where we could stare at it while eating heinz tomato soup a marmite on toast we see pitches che's in time and place and in the context of our own lives we cannot see them otherwise and then she goes on to say landscape on skype with the full of ecus was an object as well as an image now that that is the phrase that for me i thought whoa that such a simple such a simple idea such a deep or idea so profoundly expressed reut roy to the hall of what the book is about what what is the book about the book is how we interpret imagery of all kinds in our lives our day to day lives and in our histories histories of ourselves our families who we think we are even if who we think we are isn't right because we're not interrupting the picture correctly a and that is published by chatto for eighteen pounds nine hundred pence joan what have you been reading this week i've been reading a collection of poetry cheat by j bernard called surge also is it happens published by shattered windows which i i heard about all was made aware of honor start the week with kate clancy whose book about teaching raved about on a recent back listed and j bernard was on that program and read a couple of pieces and talked about this collection collection in it it struck me very forcefully as something that i would love to to read then went and bought it and read it and the background to it is an actual historical the vent jaipur nod was researching at the george padmore institute looking into the event nineteen ninety-one the new crossfire in which twelve twelve young black teenagers were burned to death not enough people know about what the the new crossfire that's one of the reasons for the book not enough people know that it wasn't investigated instigated well muffin people know that it led to a massive march close that fis bridge which was which was apparently that journalists were leaning out of fleet street and spitting using on them as they went past that year was also the year shortly after that that the the brixton riots happened so the book is on one level an act of of investigation of looking into the facts of the case and indeed through the volume the first hand testimonies of people who were there of the relatives of the teenagers who died so there's a there's a research element to it but what j. bernard does brilliantly is link that with now links it with brexit links with the grenfell tower links it with the the wind rush a scandal so it's both a an attempt to preserve serve and investigate the the wrong that was done in one thousand nine hundred one but also links it in a way to the the same problems that are recurring now so so it's a very contemporary book out of the mazing kind of culture that we have of performance poetry and of poaching read and discussed and shared for more than it's been in a generation this volume seems to me to to to work as well listening to start the week and j bernard reading it is extraordinary because it's there's a lot of music there's a lot of patois there's a lot of stuff that you would expect to come from somebody who's in accomplished performance pope but these poems they're also exquisite and precise and complex and the kind of attempt to tell historical truth through kind of the refracted did different experiences different voices different registers they say about the difficulty of finding words that we are facing an adjective crisis isis is much as anything else how do we speak and from what position and how can we ensure that we heard not only the buy those who oppose us but by our allies also lost for words so the book is an attempt to give words back to the dead they say i am haunted by this history but i also haunt it back that sense of them going back into history and reconstructing is already one short poem which gives you a gives you the flavor his going in when the firefighters left was like standing on a black beach with the c. suspended in the walls suit suds like a conglomerate of flies you kick the weeds and try to piece it back fractured show a bone bloated antenna flesh thi- spindle gangrenous fish an eye or a tiny glaring stone a seals tongue and will the sallis in new york king front and hind fin vertebrae or fetters bedsheet or slave skin the black is coming in from the cold rolling up the beach walls looking for light it will end to you if you stand there and spend the rest of its time inside you asking what it was what it was what it was in a vivid his heard only only by your bones i'm really love this book in my sung attempts to read all poetry ever written a pick this up in foils in stratford in westfield hello if you the lovely booksellers there who said very nice things about battling hallo if you're listening but i said i would say on that you the best s. bookshop in london and you are the best book in london this week thank you very much this week interrogated so they had a copy surgeons took a picture up and actually john i totally agree with you what you were saying about it bringing the best of both performance poetry and and i don't know what is going to offend someone authentic poetry well i think we we thought it was a great row last year the same and to me that's exactly what this book manages to do both those things brilliantly yeah one of the key the glories of i think is beautiful on the page the line breaks six knowing how to layer permit on the page something i'm sure samuel you're in the middle of of of doing that right now i mean it's it's all of us are just just keep going to defend did you do performance poetry and traditional verse but everyday precisely put on the front jacket we've both also big fans of the perseverance by raymond entrepot side i think there is feel that there is a lot tim ex extraordinary poetry being written and a surge he's only smith there's almost no ordin like simplicity to it yes this but you know the as simple as the hottest thing to do in anything sunny and pudgy but some you know huge recommended i don't care if the writer gatcombe right i don't give a damn what the style is teachers and librarians forget the functional literature is to pull us like taffy to to raise our souls to make us live forever done six hundred story well or more or lex we just nobody knows i think that's the seven novels it's it's again there is a possibly you a new one of the novel's is really thinly-veiled is it not we're we're we're talking about ray bradbury the great i mean i think we can quote prepar he would he would i would agree and we all talking about illustrated man which is just one collection of the many collections of stories that the great right primary produced during his career and this was the suggestion of sam sam when did you first read the illustrated man dan all the stories in the illustrates man or the stories in the british edition of the straight man which are different from the stories in the american edition of illustration i mean even even the the thing about ray bradbury's even understanding what one book is a is a challenge because the contents are quite slippery they are that it was a very long question i remember i mean exactly as you say they aren't ray right brees swirling kind of ocean of bits and pieces of which each book is a kind of late awful at is i i have a really clear memory also eleven twelve it's my parents old house that was a playroom with wooden floor and bookshelves will run the wall which was where my parents had this huge collection of nineteen seventies hype about books into which delved and that was what i discovered all those books that nobody reads anymore like how robbins violent about unhelpful i'm sure you know people like robots and davis telling him john fowles essentially a kind of backlist utah kogo club and one of the things i found that she i think my dad direction meter was this amazing to volume correction launch double ladle for the bradberry which walls a again seventies paper published was kind of cool gale was lancs fontana or grafton john which we've got the illustrated managing we've got here you know one of those sort of semi forgotten paperback publishers the seventies and eighties and it was a two volume collected stories ray bradbourn remember it so clearly because there was a volume one was red and yellow and how big yellow numeral one and red background volume two was green green on yellow and nothing would read before at all so i come to talk about bradberry nor praise him with sort of austere literary critical hat on as straightforward fan long to buy him with each story he didn't have a sort of brad brie world bradberry universe which sort of self consistent mythos in which all these toys took place every story invented a world from scratch and they shared lots element they shed lots of themes but there were horror stories there were fantasy stories lots of stories about malls vase or dinosaurs it was basically we're kinda geeky teenager like me like comex stephen king suddenly this with the motherload not was it justified belong aunt jane you he said something when we were warming up about bribery which i thought was brilliant in terms of kind of relates to what sarah has sandwich just defining ray bradbury now i wonder they could lead us into that embroidering how you i read ray bradbury or when when the more well i'm not sure if this is what you were thinking of actually some's answer linked so where i remember reading and i and i think i was a lot older 'cause my first full time job was in a huge retail park bookshop in stockport taught which in south southeast manchester and appeal center and it was borders and it had a style then and it was the most exotic arctic thing ever stayed open to like ten pm and anyway i got out that exist just any move saturday and i worked my first full time job after working in restaurants and stuff as an eighteen year old was working in the inventory department in the back there and so we took the books the pilots and put stickers on them and put them on the shelves but everyone in that room when i was eighteen was a bit older than me and had very specialisms and i took to borrowing borrowing things from people but actually i really go into kind of plowing through the classics of sci-fi but in terms of i was really going headfirst i into hate she rose and i remember reading fahrenheit four five one and john wyndham and i still read a lot of sci-fi that's my favorite leisure time reading and that that while i was there i also used to look after the children's section and people would come in and say i also looked after the children's section isn't borders for a while and and i hope you never brought your children to my story i go back in time would come in in and say my child reads a law on they've read all the things from bay ridge they've read other things from your what can i send them to an i used to send people straight to ray bradbury and joan wind and h g wells 'cause they were these stories that had so much going on bull they have absolutely nothing x rated in them ever the very kind of puritanical narrowbody ideas and there's not actually that much complex psychology and they are often known clearly not constant always but they often either about children children or they are all they are seen through the eye of a child that's one of bradbury's recurring theme so i can see an for adolescents this is well so i can see that that's a really good he's terrific booksellers rushing relationship except newly really we would i would give you potted biography of ray bradbury but i'm not gonna do that we have several clips from an early sixties interview with bribery robbery conducted via very specific interview and nikki coot you play clip one so we could hear raise seavy your ray bradbury yes sir very waukegan illinois lucky you know how long ago thirty five years eighty five jack benny was born in waukegan about that time time to know jack no i don't i don't know him but my mother went to school with jack dady crook what kind of job do you have ray i'm a writer what kind of a ride a pony express motorcycle right her w. r. i t. e. r. it's very refreshing a writer who can spell it can't be much of a writer what what have you written besides notes to the middle man well number of books one called fahrenheit four fifty one one call martin chronicles another call the golden apples of the sun all from doubleday a lot of short stories for the new yorkers the post collier's magazines of that start real successful right in well have you done any other writing besides science fiction and short stories yes i've done one on screen play the screenplay of moby dick for john huston rainy that was a whale job wasn't it that i i think groucho marx is underrated talents as an interview no we learned something didn't we we learned that it's not fahrenheit four or five one fahrenheit four fifty fifty one according to disappointing is massive era everybody knows this the books it should be celsius four five one four fifty one fahrenheit hifu five one is not religious the more it should be fun fifty one years well exactly actively pedantically correct edition of celsius four fifty one approximately do you think he did that is you know the nazis off the the thing is when it was put to bradberry the it was incorrect you went shoe he didn't mind i brought a fiction so he wyche science but he likes to play with it he's not bothered about being accurate and you know if you think about the the makeup of mars and and the people he's not interested in making martians a plausible race on mars but on the cities to be realistic did i mean it was could off what s f even exist when he was writing i shouldn't assorted deidre early i mean you know collate phone you get people like larry niven really thinking hard about what the gravitate operative neutrons starwood due to a spaceship but usually babri it's just like i'm the says no specifically doesn't consider himself a science fiction writer that you considered considered what he wrote this fantasy which is interesting that he makes that distinction i don't know whether that was just sci-fi SF whatever it was called at that point was seen as being a a bit more down market or whether it was really interesting stories kind of the and we would now call fantasy things that wizards in it but the thing is the place these stories come from is more exotic and faraway i think than we think is so we think of him as has a roy of short stories the stories of that will be collected in books in fact of course his first short stories published in the mid thirties and it's published in a magazine magazine called imagination and the the big publishers of his stories from the mid thirty thirty to the mid fifty s of amazing stories in weird tales magazine brad fascinating because he's a bridge between several things one of the things he's a bridge between is from HP lovecraft to the era of cinema for instance now that's not quite right to the ear of comic books yeah he's he's the guy who who takes us from sulu spiderman and clearly is a big influence i think bradberry is greatest influence influence is i mean maybe roy moore and somebody who invents a loss of big popular culture tropes from the second half of the twentieth twentieth century there's there's i can see several real primal myths here for things that become hall genres in their own rois voice to somebody said the best way to have good ideas to have lots of ideas i think bradberry was that was bruce approach to stories wasn't that just write lots and lots and lots of stories have to say the choosing if this i'd never read this collection before samsung intrigued as to why this selection which is site site brilliant but it also has to weirdest frame of any collection of stories does what we shouldn't we because it is what gets called fix up i think thank where let me let me read the blood that's a good good place to start and then we can try and explain the he was a big man massive and every inch of him was illustrated terrible one is fleshed twitched the colors burned in three dimensions and the people moved the tiny mouths flickered and the voices rose small a muted sixteen gene elucidations sixteen tales brackets in this edition i illustration quivered and came to life dot dot dot absolutely saints sort of backs what sam was saying about being able to pull it off the shelf with no knowledge of even the genre it but it might be and be captivated by the you're going to get all this it just it would just spoke david lynch to me that kind of strange man of coming out of her landscape and fought aw yeah and also he's he's kind of you know he's one of bribery which is the carnival comes to town something wicked this way comes and being the scary you know alien strange presence blowing into you know the equivalent to walk in illinois and yet straight man claims in the introduction he's he's got his tattoos from time travel so interestingly the f. the truth gets mushed up right at the root of it yeah there is that feeling it's kind of a grab bag of stove right from the outset to the extent that the i think the story the full story called the illustrated man doesn't appear in this edition of the illustrated man it's it's not in the illustrative reeling to see the panthers koliba tweeted man that isn't it great they're jen what were you saying are you saying brilliant thing about brand rebe rebe not so much being a realtor as because i don't think i've ever read so much in such a concentrated period where he notices that the ideas on these teams that you're saying he's the right so we'd lots of ideas i feel like i'm in like ray bradbury brainstorm meeting with ray bradbury that's just great brockville undefeated john malkovich it's very much like okay network of stories that you can connect like there's a there's this sort of little amoeba idea for fahrenheit four or five one and in osha you should too and there's and there's other things like the feld kind of crops open various bits and pieces of stories like this this flavoring basically basically and there's these things connect together he also does it better i was just thinking i was just reading of his marionettes inc in that which is which is a slightly better version of i think of if you're going to do a i humans humans being machines than the recent in mckinney kyun novel which i have a feeling mchugh must've read the getting the smells of the he famously calls his his what the robot says smells like the vitamin television something that i i'm really restrict by reading again is how much sensory information information there is so clear for me like lots of the an what makes it so easy to read like it was easy to cram oh this actually because that all over all the sort of seen saying is often all these like really quite psychedelic visual sensory stuff it's not they're not psycho dramas is there not really social psychological actually especially in the dinosaur stories the the one other full it through spite sites great story and it's such a brilliant idea and then they kind of having arguments and the kind of making out as as they confront them we'll tell i think that's actually got my favorite line in the whole book in it the special the rocket has been fine for space rockets in these stories all talking been hit by media and it kind of explodes and they're all in their space suits and they will frying off in different directions according to basic rules of particle physics but they're communicated cages is still working so heady from laws one of them's heading for a deep space when i'm well let's do talking they start arguing and the captain they basically they shirt with counterfeiting because he's pressure on the captain because we gotta figure out a way out of this captain why don't you shut up sit applegate okay you heard captain deadpool you're running me you're ten thousand miles away by now and that's not kid ourselves a stimpson puts bone way down see here eight canet this is a mutiny of one i haven't a damn thing to lose your ship was a bad ship and you're a bad habit i hope you break the i think there's as roma's robbery has some of the quality of trollip bassett which is he didn't rewrite much very much well well this is one of the things that i find fascinating about him he is he is a very american coined off he described he likes to describe himself as a magician but he also in-interviews described himself as a salesman in the terms that he would say i'm selling you the idea i'm really good at selling the idea and that is what he is he's he's homeworking going he works everyday row every day very important myth i we had out there without fail at work hard i sell the story but you know pitch picks up that he'd finish it worked two hours every morning before he went to the post of his his data and if he finished one book fifteen fifteen minutes for two hours he'd simply turn over the page and start the next terrorist terrifying on that productivity michael holroyd once told me the most terrifying defying thing about bernard shaw he said with his secretaries because it was dictating could actually write more words day michael horowitz could read yeah and you have to do any kind of bull has yesterday in january talking about what kind of royster was break right when we read him now what kind of writing this is bribery from nineteen ninety nine he's just been to talk about what kind of trees i don't care if the rider cat right i don't give a damn what the style is teachers and librarians forget the functional literature is to pull us like taffy to to raise our souls jamaica wild live forever maybe i was born a freak the morrissey of live the more believe we are genetically sets from the instant of break to be what we are but i believe i was born to be me uh bonanza time no just perfect absolute perfection i've had the greatest life of now i can't think of anyone i've ever known more fortunate that myself because i have to number one the gift god gave me number two having enough sense to use it and i know a lot of people we have great gifts i don't use them and that is acidic as god well he's a bit like listening to willie lohman offer a successful so jim what was the story that particularly grabbed you in illustrative man well you know it's possible to talk about what of them the one that actually stood out with something slightly a different somehow to me was the city 'cause it seemed to come from a what more fantastical imaginary space and maybe that's because his i'm more used to the tropes of space aliens unknown mystery tropes i recognize you know from you know poor and hates h she wants the city seemed something to have this kind of strange magic realism about almost or maybe just magic pitched the listens the city is it well it's a city that's been there for centuries waiting to take revenge on men from earth who decimated that planet thousand years and the the city is a living thing and it is a has complete sensory organs but they are all operated operated in this kind of so it was like oh my steam power everything's sprouted unlike aluminium and brass an census these things sorry debate the city waited with its windows and it's black obsidian wolves and it sky towers and it's unprecedented turrets with its own intro streets on its own touch doorknobs with not a scrap of paper or a fingerprint upon it the city waited while the planet ark in space following its orbit about a blue blue white soon on the season passed from ice to fire and back to ice and then to greenfields and yellow semesters it was unassuming afternoon in the middle of the twenty thousand th year that the city ceased waiting in the sky a rookie to hit the rocket sought overturned came back and london in the shale meadow fifty yards from the obsidian wool that would booted footsteps in a thin grass in calling voices for men within the rocket to men without ready or right man careful into the city jensen you and hutchinson patrol ahead keep a shop i the city open secret nostrils in its block walls and a steady suction vent deep in the body of the city drew storms of air back through channels through thistle filters and dust collectors to a fine and trembling delicate series of coils and webs which glowed with silver light again and again the immense suctions occurred again and again the odors from the meadow were born pawn warm winds into the city fire fire odor the center of a fallen meteor hot metal a ship has come from another world the breath smell the sti phya smile of bend powder sofa and rocket brimstone this information stumped on tapes which bracketed into slows slid down through yellow cogs into further machines click chuck chuck a calculator made the sound of a metronome five six seven eight nine nine men an instantaneous typewriter ink this message on tape which slid did and vanished clicky click the city away to the soft tread of their abroad bruce the great city nostrils dilated again the smell of buddha in the city i from the stalking men faintly the oral which wafted to the great nose broke down into memories of milk cheese ice cream buddha the volume of dairy konami click click cattleman jones get your gun out there'd be a fool the city's dead why worry you can't tell now the balking toke the is a woke up two centuries of listening to wins that blue small and faint of hearing leave you've stripped from trees and grass grow softly in the time of melting snows now the is oiled themselves in a self libra -cation drew tote great drums upon which the heartbeat of the invaders might pull and third delicately as the trauma of a net swing the is listened and the nose siphoned great chamber of odor the flu VM of dairy economy pure love cross actually that's the suicide of slightly convoluted lisa price is good writing can really do it when he wants to he gets away sometimes with over to this kamei's subscription you'll see a whole paragraph is really lyrical riff on something and i think that's a perfect conjunction of a writer who's trying to get the word counts tom because he's selling writing by the yard and so pope kind of pulp magazine for you gotta get three thousand words paragraph description but he's good enough to get away with it and and it can be able to talk but you go actually this is kind of good paragraph even though you don't need it this is the story of the inaccurately title fahrenheit four five one he wrote it as a long short story as twenty thousand words short story which he wrote in nine days and a publishing after it came out in one of those magazines publisher publisher approached him and says could you at twenty thousand words to this and we'll put thousands novel he said sure and took another nine days and he wrote twenty thousand words more cool and actually i don't know how recently any of you have read fahrenheit four fifty one i read a couple of maybe last year it's a brilliant a fantastic example of a book the central idea of which is so strong it's passed into history allowing the actual the problems with the book itself which are that it was written in eighteen days into an you can really tell my doesn't matter because the the the power of the myth in the twentieth century so strong cultural myth of it the book shouldn't be the secondary issue and yet i'm wrong because clearly millions of people have read handled wasn't it for awhile i'm sure it was a sectarian so it's funny it seems to be slightly lots of brad re slight in eclipse can you think of the kind of the dystopia his that we likes to harmonize tail is definitely come up on inside is probably joint number one now with nine hundred eighty four brave new world bit behind that and of the great dystopia that feels like it's lagging in fourth place because so i watched for this the two thousand eighteen remake of finite fifty-one with michael shannon and michael jordan and i would have to say that it is terrible over terrible sci fi film booked the reason it doesn't stunned his because you realized watching it they try to build the internet into the script at one point and michael b jordan smashes a computer monitor there is loading books books to an internet and actually that just doesn't make sense because you can eliminate things so the idea of like like taking books away and replacing them with TV and the knowledge being outlawed like that is completely incomprehensible at the end of the film they send and the entire so of body of published in all of the books basically in captial in a bird over to canada it has a copyright library i'm sure how how did it get it in the bud let's not talk about that so data exists and that kind of undermines reminds the when you kind of network information like fahrenheit four fifty one stops being a scary i read a actually i i really liked reading terrible so comments on terrible films and i was reading the kind of user reviews of this film and actually one of them made a really good point ah fahrenheit four fifty one the terror on the horror of that dystopia is because you are reading our book and read about a world weather or no books in a book is that is there like sarah and once you put that NFL more china the internet it completely leases it's like what so compelling which in turn shows you that of course bribery knew exactly what he was doing because he is interested as you said gen in the idea more than in the idea of malls rather than the hulled soy approach of of telling you you know the guy who who read the the the color knows novels kin-san robson so they are the opposite they are like that we have to nail everything down because what oh you won't is world building breeze not really interested in he's amazing improvised denise say the my stories run up and bite me in the leg and a respond by writing down everything that goes on during the bite when i finished the idea gets up and just feel like that he kind of he's possessed by something and there is that i- reading the stories it reminded me of of having to do you know try to writing stories at school were you given a theme and then you write something you try and put it there is that kind of really simple energy to it and i think he's sort of interests archetypes as well as in and and he's quite explicit in some of the stories is one of the enough of the sun where the people who are going to mars or essentially doing what stunned skyer stood or what the great pioneers heading to the american west for doing and he's really interested in these things malls becomes sort of place of you've abandoned cities he's very big resin i think on that kind of these spaces that are sometimes sometimes get their revenge like sometimes sometimes i feel all of those themes there's all this like so real skepticism about colonial explorer flora practices however you want to characterize it like you know half of the martian chronicles is failures to populate on the absolute a human disasters that occur when people new people go to a place and try and take over and still actually wells we're the world's device in the martian chronicles doesn't turn up nicole willis people living here martian living until quite recently but it seems what type of chicken part of the other foot is is really good sort of reverse colonialism and this is well the the the the white guy spy ship arriving in chronicles is a it was my absolute favorite and that's partly because i'm really fascinated by as a book is a brilliant example of what is is collections short stories is a novel things is people talking about right now in terms of collections of short stories noble visuals martian chronicles is clearly on one level a lotta stories about mawes that he had what lying around because he'd written them over ten years but what he does he put them together in a specific order he rework look some of the content so that flow through which is incredibly satisfying and you really feel you go somewhere through the book as you read through the the other reason i really loved the martian chronicles and you both august the two young and produced a too young to remember this but do you remember when television was so three channels yes and one of the big season with start when the summer the holidays are over in september and i remember being on holiday with my mom and dad incredible and having to sit in the TV lounge in the hotel tale 'cause we weren't TV's in the room because it was the premiere of bbc one big saturday night american series for nineteen eighty eighty which was the martian chronicles by ray bradbury starring rock hudson that's how long ago and actually it's not i mean looking at it now there are there are issues with but but like the book it's kind of charming now it's kind of retro-futurism about the TV EV as much as there is about the book i just bringing you different eras that's an amazing did you something i came across dune research with the end ball chris wrote an introduction to a spanish addition on of the martian chronicles this incredible quo which is which totally struck me i'm just gonna find it in my nose relevant so both has says what has this man from illinois don i asked myself when closing the pages of this facebook the episodes from the conquest of another planet fill me with horror and loneliness and to me is just like absolutely an encapsulation habsi latian if these searchlight search loneliness in the marsh and chronic i'm you took about margaret atwood an atmos- written several times about right bribery this is one of the great things about margaret atwood i think when people would say to her but the handmaid's tale is cy final she got yeah yeah it is yeah i love sci-fi and i love ray bradbury and she's written several essays about bribery and introductions to specific editions tony's she might even have written i know you've got a story there is this skeleton yeah so widely chosen this story i i mentioned skeletons skulls isn't actually in illustration member had to find on the internet because it was one of those one of the stories when i originally read it absolutely kind of freaked me out and it's got quite a lot of bradbury's there is a sort of undercurrent of existential essential horror in some of the best of breed stuff and this you know there's the edit line about webb's to sing skull beneath the skin and this this is a story that really kind of religious realizes that and it's this guy who goes to his doctor because he's got kind of aches and pains and doctors not deigning for him and says he's a hypochondriac and he becomes convinced the his skeleton is somehow war with the rest of his body and notice that his skeleton is in him and people around around him have skeletons well read a little bit of it which you know he's in the process of freaking about scottish and he's like does does anyone else's kneecap move like this what's his thinking casing my lungs and he's and then he's trying to live as normal life at the same time so you darling coming to meet ladies called his wife's sweet clear voice mr harris stood upright his skeleton which is all in capital letters in this was holding him upright this thing inside him this invader this horror was supporting his arms legs and head it was like finding someone just behind you who shouldn't be there with with every step he took he realized how dependent he was on this other thing darling i'll be with you in a moment he called weekly himself said come on now breaks up go to go back to work tomorrow on friday you're gonna make that trick phoenix quite a drive over six hundred miles gotta be in shape for that trip or you won't get mr cronan to put his money into your ceramics business chinoy chinoy now five minutes later he stood among ladies being introduced to mrs with us mrs apple matin miss all of whom had skeletons inside them but took it very very calmly because nature had catholic closed the ben nudity of clavicle tibia and femur with breasts thighs carbs with coiffure and and either satanic with beast lips and more sheltered mr harris inwardly when they talk eat part of their skeleton shows that teeth i never thought of that excuse me he said and ran from the room only in time to drop his lunch among the petunias is the garden balustrade was saying earlier about bribery inventing and seeing all sorts of things for which he doesn't get credit now there is i'm sure there are other examples that grandpa we fund example there i'm sure you know that's that that is body horror that groin empowering chromebook that's what that is but it's also funny is also a comic shoot story at the same time as it's a bit of a spoiler but this is what's completely haunted me as this slightly shonky doctor you've bone specialist defines because i can treat you but you have to be ready installment comes because my brady ready treat me and the guy reaches into his mouth something kind of awful in cracking happens is quite unspecific but at the end is voiced coming back to the house and she walks it justice she's arriving in the house she sees this sort of slightly sinister looking doctor leaving and he's he's kind of nibbling on this white fleet and sucking something out of the dos tune on this bob conflict as the wife goes in and start screaming because as a huge jedi on the ground which greets her by name phone flute stuck stop with him by my theory on hysteria hasn't read it till you sent it is that bradley wrote this the the description of his discomfort reads exactly like thank really bad hung over to me oh my god i'm moving on this is sickening it's almost like it's almost like such as nausea his discussed european moving right right bribery he comparatively recently he died in two thousand twelve and i he lived long enough to here this tribute to him by the american comedian rachel blew it was a big internet smash had been number one for me liz strayed grapes dandelions line and already little fahrenheit fahrenheit sixty nine a prolific author ray bradbury down icon sir you earthlings going to mars and about blowing you won an emmy award for the screenplay at poetry rave nut come on rice jerry was knowing t when that came out it's code button me right bradberry by and somebody drove over to right right right place in LA with kofi of that supply it to them to i made they said well i played some these at had he he lent back acne he smiled noted ask the most as view of that but it must be we must must answer there's not that i mean for all the obscenity rich bloom really love the stories of ray bradbury but then why the explicit lissette thing the thing that i find that i found coming back to it odor no longer being a teenager not noticing this stuff was how i don't know if anyone anyone even sleeps in the same bed in these stories i feel like they're all in twin beds like markham unwise and the like the romances a kind of non existent and the only thing that is what we talked about he can imagine all these different things but what he never ever imagines is any sort of evolution of the kind kind of two point four midwest suburban family one of the things i notice dislike there are no women in any of the rockets they're all these scores of men and i have never noticed that before and obviously like the conversations about gender balanced you did not exist when i started reading it brought now i know is like oh like i'm not a part of the breeze world i actually think i walks yeah yeah i didn't care apart from the like oso that's a proto pixie dream go five one excuse for a prototype of thought character but then you go into fearing wives that get tuned into robots i don't think this excludes anything about him he oh these books were written like the early fifties die so early for some of these ideas to be knocking around and also i think we should say because it's i it's the most fascinating thing about him as a roy for me is how the books claimed to fit into genres and don't yeah and also bleed into one another but aren't copies of one another so the martian chronicles is saif i found a different way to fahrenheit four five one but this is the same guy who within three years has written danny line wine which which is a very lyrical mark twain like american memoir and then he kind of bashes those two books together and he gets something wicked this way comes which is like danny lyon wine but retold with a horrible horrible started he he he strikes me in the best way as it's almost automatic writing it's almost picking images that spoke to him you would know he links to early panel that she he reminds me a better balance because he's got nothing he got a set of images or ideas on which he obsesses which you worked variations on constantly stew with childhood to do with the mythical illinois landscape to do the sort of unintended malls to do with rookie chips as lovely about in one of the stories of the rockets hanging in the air like dawning dawning needles which i don't think has anything to do with physics as we understand it but it's a hell of an image he's and if you didn't like it raise got another one coming thing about bribery which he gets away with i think he can get deep really quickly and the story i think we all love which is no particular nice warning tortured man hitchcock having a breakdown i love this he clements is saying you should get your mind off this stuff hitchcock and he says i can't all the gaps and spaces and that's how i got to thinking about the stars i thought how i'd like to be in a rocket ship in space in nothing in nothing going on into nothing with with just thin something that's an ed show of metal holding me going on away from all the something's with gaps in them that couldn't prove themselves i knew then that the only happiness for to me with space then he says what you don't see a psychiatric i wish as a case in the pure horror of open space via it's very well it seems ridiculous as we have a phone specialist here not to ask whether that has any connection with fo coons jen i do you think it does because lots of like as we talked about lots of brunswick is about loneliness horror of the loneliness of space is exactly what's this idea of these tropes the horror of loneliness is in the foghorn which is about a huge prehistoric beast is been under the sea and it is awoken by the lighthouse in the phone which it mistakes for another of its kind and so i read a tiny and we can close on the phone the foghorn blue on the munster answered a cry came across a million years of water and missed cry so anguished and alone that it should it in my head and in my body the monster cried out at the tower the four cohen blew the monster road again the four cohen blew the

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Animation Podcast #121  Raising Artists with Cori Crismon

The Bancroft Brothers Animation Podcast

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Animation Podcast #121 Raising Artists with Cori Crismon

"Welcome to the Bancroft brothers animation podcast. This is a show about the past present and future of animation and all things related hosted by former Disney animators, directors and authors, Tom Bancroft, and Tony Benn this podcast is sponsored by Todd by pro dot com. The place on the web to watch art instruction videos by the top pros and comics animation character design and concept. Art, finally in this episode, the Bancroft brothers interview, the one that started at all their mother Corey Krizman tells him in bearing stories and gives her thoughts on supporting an artist child or children in this case. And now, here's the Bancroft brothers air and welcome back to the Bancroft brothers animation podcast. I just wanna do it all day long. We we might do it all day long podcasts. Let us do this all day long. Tony. Got to be on. Yes. Right. Feel it feel it getting gates. I wanna talk you now about Mason. It's lose around the name. Why don't men and we saw rap whatsoever. But that was like early rap that was like vintage. Yes. But it wasn't even as cool as the BC boys. Anyway. Where the Bancroft beastie boys? Anyway. Yeah. Thanks everybody for coming back and join us on the Bancroft brothers animation podcast. If you don't know us, this is Tony, and I'm Tom Bancroft. So I'm not a Nashville and Tony's in LA. California. And we're twin animators worked at Disney for many many years, and we still are in the animation industry plugging away. We love to talk about animation and our passions for it. And just about you know, how we got to become artists to sometimes like today's episode. This is going to be a fine where we're going to get there in just a second. But I did want to shout four mermaid summer may. Is that hashtag Tony that I created about three years ago? I think this will be our fourth mermaid this year. Live really need to research that but I created by accident about three years ago. What I did a drawing of two mermaids teenage mermaids that original ones not aerial. And they were talking on their shell phones. Hashtag mermaid. And and it just it blew up. It went some viral. And then I ended up in one of the comments sections. I think on Facebook saying, oh, I should just draw a month's worth of mermaids that would be fun. And and I was serious. Okay. This would be a fun thing to do. I was kinda like join rates, and then somebody in the comments and giving somebody else credit, although I don't know who they are. They said, oh, and you could call it may and do it in. May it wasn't even your ideal which that's what I'm hearing. Well, I told you I accidentally stumbled into it. I already said that Stanley took credit for it. But here's the deal. Tony I followed up on that. Reginald drying that started it. So. Yeah, I think I can claim it. Hey, it's all yours, man. I'm just saying Dame the name I had a little help on. But. Yeah. So it's become a drawing event, I want everybody listening. This an artist to take part. What is your drawing berm aid every day in may? It's that simple. It's called mermaid. And the the idea is really not about drawing mermaids as much as just drawing every day. It's an encouraged or to to for those artists out there to sharpen pencils and dry day and get better in the month may well, that's what I love, Tom. It's it is an artist challenge. And so it's it's great to have those ink Tober, of course, as one that a lot of artists. No. And I've been involved with that over the years, and I love participating in Tober, but mermaids really fun because liking Tober you do a lot of prompts, right? So artists can actually have a prompt. If they kind of don't know what to draw that day. Yeah. If you got a mermaid dot com. That's my website for that. And it has all the prompts for this year. So you're hearing this. I think you'll be hearing this in about early may. So but go onto the mermaid dot com, the official prompts. You don't have to use those you can create your own prompts or just draw. Whatever you want as long as a mermaid. But then hashtag it mermaid and also do hashtag mermaid twenty nineteen. If you wanna see specific twenty nineteen only because if you look in the past just mermaid the hashtag mermaid you're gonna see hundreds of thousands about every year. We have hundreds of thousands of posts of mermaid drawings. So it's really really. Fun props this year. I think I saw like snicker sizzle and Bouma Walker, and I'm like that got my juices flowing. I'm draw those aren't actual weds. Tony. This is going to be your take your first mermaid that you're gonna take part is that. Yeah. Well, Thomas are doing something special. And this is why I'm taking part in it because I'm not even actually drying mermaid. But if you haven't heard, Tom, and I are posting updates and stuff on our social media, so checkout Puma guy, that's my Instagram handle and Tom Bancroft one Tom's handle. But Tom, and I are posting up until the end of Moore may short. We're we're creating short for mermaid that has the little little mermaid character named ama- Tom created, and I did this little see lion named Ernest and their two buddies, and we're actually doing full hand-drawn tutti anime g. For this short. And it's going to be posted and premiered, really, let's call it the first time ever premier. It's the first time ever online Instagram premiere of an animated short, and that'll be at the end of may into mermaid. Because if it's too Graham found out they were they were actually being used as premier for short too. We should share that with them. Happens. I had a PR agent. I really know some. Yeah. That didn't take money on the upfront was free. Somebody contacts us, you know, there's a few stipulations we need like no money involved. And. Amer complete complete control. Yeah. So you do everything. And all right. Don't pay you. And we have complete control. Okay. Right. That's a contract right there. I feel like we just laid oh in lots of travel. Which you can't afford. So anyway, Tony tonight. We have a great podcast. I already know. It's going to be great. It's gonna be fun when the very least for years now we've been talking about having this celebrity guest on our show. And I just don't know how it's been taking it's taking so long Booker. That's been I think with Susan really. Yeah. She's really see in her retirement now. So yeah, it's been just getting on her social calendar. That's been the difficult thing. But I need we need to bring her on. It's gone onto long lazy jumping everybody. Welcome corey. Chris, man. Do you mind? Do you mind? If if Tony, and I call you mom, I think I love that name my favorite name. Mom. Okay. So, but but you do have a different last name. So that might be a little confusing for our listeners out there. But yes, there was another gentleman that married you you changed your name. But we're all we're all Bancroft deep down. Right. We are. So I am Cory Bancroft crystalline. That's right. Well, got really you. Don't have a dash. You didn't hyphenate does. You know? I didn't I'm making that. Now my middle name. Caitlyn did. My daughter. Yeah. She's just saying it is on official. Okay. I'm gonna be Lloyd. I'd tell them I think that the only way to truly start with their mommas podcast guest is to ask you the most important question. Which is here we go who is your favorite who's your favorite? Then you every day changes. Oh my God. That is. Not the answer. That was always say the same thing. We've always Tom. And I've always asked my mom this question since we were little boys. When know when we were little at actually matter cisa, Joe favorite has and Tom had snot coming when he said it. But sure she would always say I love you both equally. Yes. And that's true. Tony, and it's still after all these years. Oh glimpse here. So all should be now. But let's take a little deeper on that subject. Mom. So that's fine. If you're saying end, general, you're both my favorite. Okay. I get that girls. My own. I said the same thing. And and it's and it's usually true. I do want to hear, but you can have favorites and say other area. So like who's who's the funniest? Right now. I think both of you are. Both of you are a trip. She meant to say was who looks funny here you do. What can even my dental twins? That's a tough one. Yeah. It's going to be my follow up questions. He's the best looking. But. Well, well, you know that you are identical mirror twins with. It means you're like looking in a mirror so once right handed and once left tended and one used apart his hair on the right went on the left when they had hair. And Ouch, your is one has a left eye bed and the other one has a right. I bad. I don't know which one is which but that's how so it's like looking at Amir teach. Yes. We used to partner hair when we had hair side spend that was our own decision that wasn't necessarily like biologically based. Think about it. If Wentz left-handed in wins right handed, and that's how you're combing your hair. What hand are you going to use? Or wiping your bottom. Same. That's the thing to Tony is right handed. I'm definitely right hand. I can almost do nothing with my left hand. But Tony does draw with his right hand. But when we were growing up you used to be a little bit more lefty like he would eat with your your left hand. That's the fascinating part about me. Tom. Glad you brought that up actually because this is it we found it. Yeah. This is. Okay. This is. Yes. So I have special talents and abilities kind of mutant x factor. If you want to say, and I'm kind of Amodeg stress where I do a lot of things with my left hand, mostly right? Yes. For like writing and drawing and things like that. But I still to this day use my left hand for brushing my teeth comb, my hair, and we I don't know what else but a ton of other things that the normally you would just be using that one strong hand for. So what it's done is. It's really pumped up my ads like equally in a big way. Oh, both left and right are extra. Wrong. You're of lopsided, and you go around with like one side kind of him. I'm like super muscular on my right side. I I never knew why. And that's why you lean to the to to the right? Also, I do do something head to lash and to the right? Anyway, we're freaks. So that's interesting, Tony, but I do wanna dive into twins mom because I just found out some kind of fascinating stuff recently. So as you know, I teach at Lipscomb university, and I had to do lately, I've been doing dinners every Friday night. It seems like every couple of weeks because we have new incoming students, and it's we have these nice dinners to kind of woo them into coming to Lipscomb. And and so, and they're usually like the students have really good grades to. Of course, they get the nice willing. And so I go to these dinners and kind of meet their the parents they come to and stuff. And so it's kind of a nice little, but I tend to take a bus there with other professors as this where I'm headed. I happen to set on the way back from one of these dinners next to this lady that was a professor of biology face. She had a doctorate, so we'll call her you had a smart conversation. Yeah. It was one of those. Interesting smart conversations that I now have every once in a while. And although my wife is getting her doctorate, Tony. Okay. So plenty at home too. So anyway, but her her I started telling her that I had you know, how many kids you have a head for I told the last two were twins. And they said, yeah, I'm a twin also. And so she said that will all she got super fascinated and said that her background is Ginette has geneticist. So she twin Allah g they call that twin Allah. Gee, I I want to call it that. But I don't think that's what it's called. Twin Ozzie Ozzie. Right. But because she studies genetics goes about twins. It's one of the fascinating things. The first thing she said to me, I want to tell you something fascinating. It was like mom was their own son. She goes, we still don't know she's talking in the in the proper we as far as we all of the super smart geneticists out, there don't know what what causes identical twins really don't know the cause of identical twins. He said we know that fraternal twins. We know how that happens as far as. The splitting things or no sorry. Not the explaining. That's happens with identical twins, but with fraternal twins. She said that we know what sort of that. There is some genetics involved is what they're so that we know that can get passed down. She said that it is a wise tell that it's a multi. It's every other generation like that. Yeah. You. Said that right, right. 'cause I'd always heard it from from Russ who's my father in law who is a twin. He was always like it skips a generation, and that's why you have twins. It's not really because Tom it's because of me, so we three other LA. I know and this what got me in that story. Okay. So we in my family, we have three generations. Like, I said so jen's dad is a twin. And he's fraternal unite Tony are twins. I don't know if you know that been I had twins. So I was telling her so when I've always heard is that that that Emonali might twin daughters? They I had been told by another biology person that actually one of this lady students told me this she she said that eminently have a fifty percent chance of having twins because they're they're they're twins. They're Gad is twin and their grandfathers twin, but the fascinating thing. And I still don't know if this part is true is she had said, but lexin Ansley the other non twins within our family. They have up to eighty percent chance of having twins even higher their sisters are twins. They're bad and their grandfathers. So it's like there's more sort of. Genetics rushing into them. That's the t- factor. You know, what I think we should write a book since all kind of theoretical really knows. We could ride a Bancroft brothers book on how twins come to be. I say we we invent something called the tea factor. It's just like the x factor and stuff like the X men and create our own Jeanne. And we'll explain this to the world. We'll call the bankrupt, gene. Of course. Right. It'll be made up facts because we've already been told by a professional that they have no idea. So we can make up whatever we want. It gives us liberty. That's love freedom. I know I love science. Let's bring you back into. Let's so we grew up in Long Beach, California. We always say that we were straight outta Compton. Can you can you elaborate on that? Well, that's close. But you were born in paramount. I mean, we lived in paramount when you were first. Babies, and then I I moved to north Long Beach. And that's where you pretty much were raised but streets, right? The street. Right. Yeah. Why we know rap music. Earlier. Yeah. Yeah. Well, we lived in a a. Dickey house. Well, a no, no we we did live in a two bedroom. Mass most of the time and you too. Shared one bedroom, and you had bents so that we were able to get your deaths in there, you're aren't. When we got those, you know, you you had to be in grammar school when you got those. But let me say that I recognized your talent as early as kindergarten. And and what I saw was U2. were really enamored with Charles Scholtz and the peanut characters still the your first piece of artwork that I said, oh my gosh. They've got something more than most kids you were kindergarten and one of these did Snoopy and he was walking. And yeah, the one did Snoopy and he had dots on him. And he had purple dots popey that was so. That was purple. I think it was still it was more model though that at that time when you're in kindergarten. You're still just doing stick people, and you actually were making look making him look like he was walking. And I thought oh, that's no I thought right away. That's more than most kids do and one of my favorite stories as a good mother. You still have those drawings. Is that right? No. Because you guys asked me for those dries because when you were working for Disney they asked all the artist to give them their first drawings. And you wrote me and you ask the you could have those and I sent them to you. No, I never saw it. Cold one winner, and we needed some paper to burn sorry. Tom. I remember this drawing. So because you did have meant a book and kept them for many years to Snoopy's purple. And was actually was walking was standing there. Stiffly? But yeah, we knew how to copy pretty I don't know. If that proves we are amazing. But but we did appreciate there's no doubt. And this is going to be the point of this whole podcasts for everybody listening. We have about seven listeners mom, so don't don't stress. But brevity listening is is sort of the theme behind this is support in an artist life is you have to have somebody that supports you. I see it all the time. I was just talking about students in coming. And I know Tony has at zoo's Pacific coming students, and the parents meeting of those students those students went be there unless they had support parents that were behind them, and you were that when when beneath our wings or the or the pencil. Under our paper. There's a song. But yeah, also, I wanna share with you that when I was racing. You three kids you have a sister. That's three years older than you are Cami. Okay. I went to win a little pitch for Cami. Okay. But when I was raising you we didn't have much money. And so you I could afford paper and pencil. Okay. And you too, but it further than that. And I have to give you credit because he started with a pencil and a piece of paper. Do that. Thump as so. But the other interesting piece as a mom, and I wanna tell parents out there that there was a time in both of your lives when you got very interested in comic books, and that's really concern me because you were doing great with your artwork. But the other piece I wanna share is that you could duplicate anything. And you got so many accolades from so many people, and you really could duplicate any one of Charles Shulz characters anyone and it was perfect. But you would not go out on your own and in your own imagination create your own characters. Okay. So we'll wait. Wait. I wanna get into why the comic books. Interesting. We had a comic bookstore in Northland beach that the two of you used to go to and I went with you one day. And I told the owner that I was. Is concerned because you two were very good artists. And all of a sudden, you just got into comic books, and that's when he shared with me that comic books have art. And that's why you were interested in them. My thought you were interested in them for the stories and reading though God and all the and I hear his voice now he's throwing anyway now, this is what's going on. They loved to draw show. They're looking at and you join dry zest rely like about you, really cool to star is awesome. But they nursing arch. Remember like, I. We and we this anything we aspire to be him. Oh my gosh. We I'd allies him. He was like a rock source. This is pre Instagram, but he coulda had a blue check for all we knew back that. He was just like that that big a deal to us. He was a barber on the side too. Well, I want to share one story back Tony. And once they're story about Tom came. Many. But I remember when Tony was about third grade. He did a drawing of Spiderman and he took to school and the teacher couldn't believe that. He did that. So she put him in a room by himself. All artists are sent. And he created recreated that same dry. And that's when she finally believe. Yeah. He really did do that. And my favorite story of that. Teacher course, do that few my students I want to do that too. Well, let me tell you when Tony came home. And we were sitting there having dinner, and he told me what happened. I started laughing because I knew he was very talented. No, no. Are you loving again? One of my favorite stories about Tom is mentioned earlier, they have an older sister. Who's Tom who is potty trained later? That's the point. I'm not going there. Tony, it's not important anymore. You can give up okay? So he had a sister Cami in. She wanted him to do a drawing for him for her. And he did know Nick member that. Removed and Cami was was into ballet and she was into tennis. And she was she liked the dodgers. And I don't know why. But also golf, but the anyway, you recreated these four characters like you gave a little to to the one with the with the that was the ballet. But you know, what they were guys. They were girls they were. And they had tennis shoes on all of them. Had tennis shoes on the laces weren't tied. Well, that was that was. Yeah. Arctic touch. Okay. But here's the rest of the story that I mentioned earlier, they were no next. They didn't have a neck so their head on their shoulders. That's when I bought both of you that little character that little wooden character. That's bendable. I call Tom. That's like that one of those artists and second figure. Yeah. That that all artists pretend that need. But yeah, that you're supposed to be able to pose and light it and stuff. Right. That you needed to see what they look like pose? But you need to know they have a neck. People next. This is crazy. I knew had makes his decision at a time. Draw? I could draw the neck shows not. Oh. Oh my gosh. Now, your character designed trait for that character, Tony creding style. All my gosh. I shouldn't have to defend this. Okay. Just a backup this. So that makes them why? Designed book I want. I should include him. But no, okay. You didn't tell this part? I created no neck as my you said to how we didn't break into creating original characters till later that was one of my first characters did it well before Tony so super gel still I created my own character. And I don't know if his name was no neck. I think that's what you call them. I everybody called him. That's. House going hit with cycling draw necks that no net character all the time. Anyway, he was a little boy and it's been having neck. Yes. And he had dark bushy hair. And then he had these like shoes is tennis shoes or attend shoes. And they were always like untied, and they were blocks they look like bricks. Yes. And so I was being like Charles Scholtz, my my idol. And so when cysts are you either suggested or assistant she wanted a drawing for her birthday or whatever? And of course, we report. So that was like a great option for me. I was like, oh, I'll be like Shelton. I'm gonna now create a drawing of my personal character and do different poses, and to, you know, show off the things that she loves which was ballet and miniature golf and whatever. And so that's why I was just taking my character and fleshing him out expressing him in these different attitudes. Okay. And with. That I wanna share with your audience that that brought you into junior high, and it wasn't until junior high that you started creating characters out of your head before you recreated anything you saw in in the comic strips. You could do it perfectly. But it was and I'm saying this because there's an evolution of an artist. And there's a fear that when you take that next step and you start creating out of your head. You're frayed. You're not going to be accepted. Now. Right. Well, and your frayed that your mom will tell you how to draw nex. So that that wasn't he going out on my little tight rope. And the you ridiculing me the withdrawing back in the copying conflicts two years. We have some. But you're right. That's you know, it's an important stage. We talk about the podcast that you start out usually by copying. And and see what's around you and learning positive negative space and proportions and things like that by copying other artists. And then the true artisan side. You really starts to come out and blossom when you take that next step, and you start creating your own characters in your own things from education, which is very it's a very awkward difficult step because you go from I was really good at copying to. Now. These drawings of no dex Huck and like him. No, you're no neck was horrible. I. I can. You're. One of my other favorite stories about you. And I think it was still junior high and I got a call. I was working. I got a call, and it was your teacher your art teacher. And I think that was junior high the latter part of junior high probably eighth or ninth grade. And both of you she come into that both of you were phenomenal artists, and they could only pick one for this certain award. And she didn't know what to do. And so I said, well, who's who is the most deserving look at that smile on you tongue? Ten ready? And I said who is the most deserving. She said, well, Tom, always completed his homework and always turned in his projects and Tony didn't. So I said, I think he's on your answer. I think you got your answers. So before the award time of the show, I took Tony and Cammie aside. And I said we're going to be going to this award show tonight through school, and I want you to know that Tom is going to be selected as the artist of ours of the year. I don't know what it was that. It was tough on me. I don't remember this. Like any moment in my life. No know what here's here's put a different spin on it. Because I think it was more packed full to me than it was to you. Because you just one I I had to go through losing be defeated by right? Okay. Okay. And, but there was so many life lessons that I learned in that moment and mums, right? I used to be and I still struggle with this. I'm going to just be honest. I still struggle with getting really worked up about doing drawings and having a project and sometimes I just. Especially back, then I used to clam up, and I used to like I put so much pressure on myself about making it perfect, and it's got to be so good and all this kind of stuff pressure. I put on myself that there was a science that. I didn't do I remember because it was just easier to walk away or to not do it then to deal with the pressure. I put on my shoulders, whereas Tom didn't lived in a bubble, and whatever, but he he didn't feel that way. And he just he would just do it and spew out whatever he wanted to with speed. But a great it was a great learning lesson for me because I look back with regret at those times of like why didn't I just put my best foot forward? Why did I just do it? And I it's it's a lesson that I learned, but it's less than I share with my students now at AP US Pacific university. When I see students going down that traveling that same road of being so difficult and hard on themselves that they put off put off or don't do something and tell them, you know, it's better to finish something complete something than to never have done it at all, you know. That's the learning is actually finishing something setting out to do something going through the excruciating process, which sometimes it is, but finishing that's really key. So Tom deserved that award. I'm just saying that with that. I got to tell you that I at that time it was the tooth U. N cami. And I said if any one of us in our family. Won anything all of this one because we were a family. So we had to rejoice in who ever got the got the recognition. So that would make you trip me you said that. Well, TV. I'm glad though that I prepared him it advance. I would not have wanted him to sit there and here it was you without knowing in advance. But you didn't know that you didn't know that I had taken Cami Antonia to the style. Before you did. Oh, really? So we have we have secret sometimes at you don't have as long as I come out the winner. I do wanna hear this though. Like just brought up. So that was a great story. Thank you love how Tony failed on that. But I do wanna hear a story where Tony was extra Mimi. So you you have a story about now and everybody should put this in context while I'm just hinted at that is that we grew up without a father. So she was a single mom and raised us why we didn't have much money. He wasn't exactly doing the alimony. And all that. So we call child support. Yeah. Our alimonies some different life. It's. Yeah. I had neither one nine two one very clearly and mom worked a lot. And so we were kinda the back in the day. They call them latchkey kids where kinda on around take care of ourselves. And because we have much money. There's a lot of reasons we kinda turned to drawing, right? Yeah. And we could've turned to other things. So fortunately, we turn to drawing that was love more healthy and didn't kill us or put us in jail. But, but we also know couple dorky white kids. I mean, we gonna too much trouble. But I do wanna hear. But because of that we are also kind of a little bit, hyper at times like I used to get into a lot of fights still understand why I think it was that whole father figure being out of my life. I'm guessing, but we can impact that if you want. Yeah. Yeah. Let's dive deep. So that's that. I want to hear the story of when we were very small, and you spent I think it was two days in a row in the hospital with us. Remember? Iverson was the past the pin? Sorry. Okay. Yes. We both have our own verse. Before you start the story here. You're we tell our kids. My. Yeah. We want to hear it. Right county. Okay. Because we just moved into a little house. We called it corey's hideout because it was in back of another house, and it was very very small and my friends from the hospital that I worked at they all helped me move in. So they brought all the premature everything, blah, blah. Okay. So I had a large glass of container that I kept pennies in. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Like a penny jar. Okay. And here I am. We got up one morning, and here I am trying to, you know, get things out of boxes etcetera and low and behold, Tony comes to me. And how are we at that point? You're just all about to your own to. Yeah. Oni? He's trying to pack. All these things are self and okay. So then Tony walks up to and at that. When you were that age, Tony called you. Mommy. He couldn't say common. I caught you Tommy. And he came to me, and he says, mama mono-, Tommy Tommy pennies pennies, and I thought what the heck, mommy. Mommy. Mommy. Yeah. Mommy. Mommy. Tommy, Tommy, mommy. Mommy, KENNY'S pennies. So I'm going over to you and your life. Yeah. And you're joking. You are choking I love so he got into the pennies and swallowed him. He did. And Tony told me to money's. He told me to money's. So it was. How to count it that? I don't know. But he said to money's too many, Tom it, so you're that moment, my brother came over. And I said Perm I need to take Tom to the emergency. Can you stay back and watch Tony and Cammie? I've to take him to emergency swallowed some pennies are more emotional than that. And it is it a holiday. It's a holiday. No, I was emotional a holiday gut there. And there is no, Ian, t doctor there because it was a holiday Ryan this was mid morning. And they said the doctor was coming in at four that afternoon and you were hospitalized. And you know, they took an x Ray. And Tony was right. There was two pennies. How am I not dead at this point? I that's a little bit. That sounds. Dr American because she's saying how can a boy like this survey having no neck. Actually, it was lodged in your neck. Tony. So the doctor took these tweezers, and he was able to pull those coins out, and I say those coins for a long time remember that actually I have him somewhere I have to. But I do remember there in like a little medical plastic jar. Very old jar. Yeah. They are your jar. Actually, there's more. Oh, yes. So so the next day you're able to come home, right? And then that night, I had a TV that was steel and Tony pushed you into that TV, and you cut your chin, and I write back into e r with with. No. Lady. We gotta talk to the cops say next day. The next day you were in daycare. And I took it a daycare, and I came home, and I would to bid and pulled the covers over my head. I can't do this. I can't do this. And then. Kony? But then I broke you then I thought well, wait a second. I got to pick them up later, and we're still going to be in boxes. They're not here. I gotta get out of bed and start. Packing. I mean, Tony, honestly, she was fighting depression. That's very clear. And put the covers and that's sad. That's very yes. Who put me? Tony twenty hospital you looney bed. That's what I'm hearing. I, you know, I was a giver I saved your life once and then I knew you like cartoon so much. I just gave you a closer look, Tony. It's what he just keep calling me. Mommy. Copy daddy. Weird. You know, what you know? It's not weird. Tony what it's a sketch wallet. Catch. Well is great wonderful product made front. Ralph Thomas who sponsors this show, we're thankful for Ralph. And the sketch wall sponsorship he's been with us for a long time with the sketch wallet is is exactly what it sounds like folks. It's a wallet with a sketchbook in it. Routing wanna sit on his laurels. No way. Tony he created the original sketch wallet. And that thing was doozy. It was nice and big I still love it. It's a good size with sitting. You're sitting your back pocket. But now he's refined that and he has two more. He's created a really small one about the size of a post it note. It's beautiful. Good. Perfect for your front pocket to now. The the middle one is the size of basically a post it note. And that's a really nice size for about. Everybody posted note. I think it's more like a training card size. Santiary one is. Gish training card the middle post it note, and then there's the glorious larger one which is the size of about an iphone maybe a little bit bigger. I just love him so much the schedule at Stony where can they find that? Awesome product. You could go to sketch wallet dot com. I love it every touch wallet sketch wallet. So going back to I wanted. I wanna hear because I love for the audience. I love them here in a little bit about how we got into art. There was another story. I remember that you were talking about the other day because I remember winning award in here. I guess I'm trying to get credit for myself again because big award. Oh, I wasn't worried. I remember getting a and it was kind of library contests where the local library was having an art contest where you had to like illustrate a picture in a book or magazine or something like that. Do you? Remember what happened with that one? Yeah. I do remember that it got posted in the library. But I think that the thing that you guys are not mentioned his Ray Bradbury do member when you were Los Alamos high school both of you were selected as the artist of Los elevators high school. And it's the first time ever they did twins. They're usually is only one entry, but they allowed two entries and it was rape bradberry. That was the host you remember that are do now background. Yeah. It was the press telegram awards scholarship awards. You could win a scholarship. I think or something like that. It was for high school. They had a different categories English and mass and. Art and science smart. And they would pay people like one Representative from each of those things English math, whatever and art from every school. And so like sort of the best of the best of every school would come together. And then there would be like a grand prize. And at that big thing got dressed up had to wear ties and stuff, and we we went to that. And Ray Bradbury Ray Bradbury had been hired to be the keynote speaker for that. Yeah. So I do remember that mom now. I don't think we won the overall somebody beat us. But that it was significant in the fact that it's the first time ever they had two entries. When they normally would have won for art. Other the other kids that were up for that award. Probably hated us. I know all of that. They are the aren't set Los Alamos high school where he went they all hated us for sure. Yeah. But I can I assume that. Yeah. 'cause I do remember like sitting next to you know, they put us on bleachers up on the stage. Right. Very awkward. We had this differ hours with every single. Anyway, we I do remember like the person next to us on the left and the right because we were both sitting next to each other alphabetically, but on both sides of us. They were like, wait. Why are why is he here? Why why are you both here? And they like we had to tell the story. And I could they were like they didn't talk to us the rest of the time. Yeah. I didn't need your bread at come with you where you have frayed sit by yourself. You know, it is coming back to me who want 'cause I remember it was really a big deal. And it was somebody was he was a little bit older than us because I think we weren't seniors or, you know, obviously. Yeah, we were young like, I don't know. This was even high school was it. Oh, it was. So yeah, we were we were sophomores, and, but we're up against seniors. And the senior that one I think his name was Glen, Keane. That job Glenn. That I think it was the boost that he needed to really kinda start up a career in animation. I heard him Tony unit. Meet a best you early on in our art career. I need you to push me into TV to motivate me to move away from you as soon as I could and Glenn he needed to beat us just to kind of go, you know, what I can make it in this world. I think so I think we all need some motivation out there, which is why I like to visit Stewart in books. Dur n g books there, the Goto place if you want inspiration and motivation for your animation and art career, they have all kinds of books from from Europe. Especially like the kind of books Tom that you can't get here in the US only at Stewart N G books dot com. Can you find these books because you know, I Stewart eating as an awesome, dude? And his traveler any care so much about you his his artistic public that he goes to all the corners of the earth. Practically goes to conventions in Europe and in Spain Italy and wherever else and even locally here at C. Even Los found, and he finds the best sketchbooks by the artists that you follow the instructional books the the how to books he's got the what else he's got. He's got him signed almost all of them are signed by the artist because he has relationships with all the people that you follow on Instagram. And I gotta say he's got your books. Tom, right. Your books my books, you know, it. He's definitely got those go to Stuart and g books dot com. And check out what's new because he just got back from wonder con, I saw Stewart there, you know, what I did. I actually took some of his sponsorship money for this sponsorship. And I spent it on his store I supposed to get some of that. Well, sorry, I got art books. Outerly found a Don. Yep. This is an old friend of ours. From Disney had a new book out and Stewart actually flew him over from Europe. He's a superstar if you don't know done. Yep. Asus is a superstar icon icon gyp, his it's not Gibbes Yip's. Okay. Say Denmark, anyway, he's from Denmark, and so he came out. He was doing a signing the convention Stewart likes to do those kind of things because he knows it special. And it's unique for all of us artists. They're looking to be motivated looking to be inspired by the generation that went before. So go check out Stewart in books now and definitely sign up for hit get on his list of his Email list. And you can do that. At Stewart in g bookstore com. You'll get all the updates and the newest stuff is including autographed books. Just like that. Don yips. Book say, Dan gyp is. I guess to Dan danjus. That's the wrong way to say it, Dan Jaipur. P p. S? So call me at the time this has been fine. We do need to start to wrap it up. I know mom's like all stuff. She didn't even talk about when you peed your pants at the books at the convicts store. Your bed words, teens dump it. The second. I gotta throw win the claymation. Oh, yeah. You guys got into clay mation will then's claymation. We've talked about that on the show that we got into clay animation before too. Yeah. Because of will then that that made us just like me stumbling into mermaid we stumbled into Disney Asian right after that, you know, what mom full circle for Tom. And I we just got back from some our listeners know this. If you follow us on Instagram, we just got back recently from Seattle and Portland specifically, and we went to Portland and checked out like animation, which was the studio that will Vinton originally started. And they're still doing stop motion animated. They have the new movie missing link out, and which is really exciting this going to be airing pretty soon, but we gotta go, and it was kind of like a dream come true for Tom, and I just want to share that with his really cool to to start out with stop motion animation. And then as adults now kind of go full circle, and we got a tour by the animators. Right. A bunch of the animators once showing us around and stuff, but it was really VIP pretty cool. And but I I was not I was. Not regretting not staying in stop motion. I don't know about you. Tony. Oh my gosh. Drawn enemy was hard. This is crazy. Yeah. We were both kind of just shaking our heads going. What kind of medication? Are you people on? This is nuts. They seemed like they could crack at any moment. You know, like Tony don't push them into a TV. You don't know. What would happen? No. Thank their rental hail X though. That's for sure hopeful circle. So to wrap up guys I want you guys to look on right now. Because it's probably may when you're listening to this look on on for mermaid dot com. Tony, and I are premiering at tutti animated short. I don't think we mentioned that on the on the upfront. Did we did? Did we did? So. Yeah. Were you here? Yeah. I was still thinking about funny stories and called me. Mommy. So anyway, enjoy Vermeille and thank you for coming to another Bank. Rob- brothers animated podcast and mom. Do you? Do you know her sign out? I know I don't. But I do want to say I love you both the same the same. That'd be more than Tom. I love you more travel out to see you. Tony. It's just an easy drive through. So what we usually say, this is from Glen Keane, mom, he wrote this on a drawing that I have hanging up on my studio. Well, and he says he put on there to Tom animate from the heart. So can you say that line at the end so animate from the heart? She says it way better than us. Tony. Number one. He said it an added this long Pasi goes animate. I'm the heart.

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Anthology of Horror, Volume 1

Stuff To Blow Your Mind

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Anthology of Horror, Volume 1

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It's a science based stroll through the world of horror anthology television and cinema the twilight so the night gallery tales from the crypt treehouse of horror. So stake around bloodsuckers and find out which episodes they picked, and what sorts of scientific subjects were able to suck from the. Welcome to stuff to blow your mind from how stuff works. Hey, welcome to stuff till your mind. My name's Robert lamb, and I'm Joe McCormick. And as you can tell from our delightful intro there by couple of colleagues of ours. We'll just assume it was delightful. It was they sounded delighted delighted. Delighted they always even the most even in the most inopportune of times, it comes down to the things to lighten suppose. But but what they told. You is correct. We're gonna be talking about horror anthologies today. And then we're gonna we're gonna ring some science from their their desiccated. Corpses. That sounds like great fun to me. But Robert, so by horror anthology, you mean like TV shows where say, it's it's hor themed, and it's not the same characters every episode. We're right. We're not so much talking about like monster of the week episode on the episodes on the X files Buffy, right? And we're also not talking about the modern version of this see with American horror story where he sees. And it's a different story. No. We're talking about the likes of the twilight zone night gallery tales from the crypt the Simpsons treehouse of horror personal favorite of mine. Yeah. She's shows shows of this nature where each episode is a self contained story or sometimes a pair of stories or. A short story a sliver of a little extra on there. But their their self contained. They're essentially har- short har- fiction that has been translated generally for television. But then you, of course, you also see cinematic installments of these shows as well where you'll have a feature length film that consists of say three four maybe five different short horror segment. So yeah, maybe we can do maybe we can include movies like that in the future. I think we just did TV shows this time. Yeah. They're few few branch out into film a little bit. And of course, we'd be remiss we don't end up talking about any of these episodes, but black mirror. I think is one of the finer examples of horror times more Sifi, but really most of those episodes of pretty terrifying. I think you could make an argument dip lack mirror is a horror anthology television series. Now, Robert I'm a little at a disadvantage in this episode because you have seen far more of these types of shows than I have. I'm big on Simpson's treehouse of horror, but I've actually seen I've seen no tales from the dark side. I think no night gallery. I've actually not seen all that much twilight zone. If you have Soad's, you know, here and there and the only full tales from the crypt episode. I've actually seen that. I remember is deeply inappropriate one with Tim curry who is the most wonderful actor ever in all of acting history. But it's just too grotesque. Even talk about was we'll get into that description can go for just about every tales from the crypto. Yeah. Great actors, and sometimes great filmmakers, kind of a deplorable story. Yeah. If I've seen a lot of horror anthology TV shows, it's because I watched a lot of sci-fi channel and syndicated cable and the nineties, I guess, you could say it was my my teacher mother secret lover. To reference far. But yeah, I watched a gallery twilight zone outer limits. Both new and old. I think on the original scifi channel tales from the dark side in like syndication on Sunday afternoons, it always felt like a particularly unholy place for it to be well, you know, what I do expect to find. If we get into if I go back and start watching shows like this is I bet I will recognize things from when I was a kid, and we would go on a trip and like stay in a motel or something like that. And of course, they always had all the channels. We didn't get at home. So they had the scifi channel. And I just tuned into whatever and the hotel, and so occasionally, I'll see some crazy movie now and realize I saw piece of it as a child on vacation with my family and hotel. Well, I didn't have ready access to tales from the crypt. I would would happen is occasionally on HBO HBO's really one of the original original HBO programs. But to watch it since we were not HBO. Subscribers? I had to either hit it just main line at during HBO preview weekends or more often, watch them, half scrambled. 'cause I would be like dude be kind of like pizza colored scrambled of versions of or sometimes, you know, it would just become black and white. So there are some episodes of tales from the crypt. When I go back and watch them now that I'm like, oh, I had no idea for instance. I had no idea that was Tim curry playing female character. Because clearly the first time I watched it. It was too scrambled for me to tell. Well in that episode. That's kind of mercy. But wow, it's amazing. The things people would will put up with in the search for for a story that they're into, you know, like the idea I always think it's funny that, you know, people watch like theater bootleg videos, like somebody will record a movie with a camcorder inside a theater and people will watch that. Yeah. This kind of look terrible. But I don't I mean people you they're hungry for it. They want that movie. And I guess you were like that too watching through through all the static and weird color variations. Yeah. That was how you got to watch it. Yeah. So today's episode for longtime listeners to your mind. This is essentially the same concept is the three creepy pasta Assode z- that I did with Christian where we would pick creepy pasta stories and sort of squeeze the science out of them. And I have to say we squeezed all the science out of creepy pasta. I don't think there's there's much left. So this feels like the next logical place to start squeezing hollering Thala. Jeez. Well, I'd say let's get right into our first selection of the day. All right. My selection here for first one is a question of fear. And this is this is one of my favorite episodes of rod Serling night gallery his horror anthology series that ran from nineteen sixty nine through nineteen Seventy-three. And then, of course, just eternally on the scifi channel during the during the nineties is this a picture of Leslie Nielsen with an eye patch in a mustache. I'm looking. Yes. This episode starred Leslie Nielsen as Colonel Dennis Malloy. And it also starred actor Fritz Weaver as Dr Mazi Weaver is terrific. And this is well Nielsen is great in. This is the pre naked gun. Nielsen this serious actor Nielsen. Oh, he was that way for a long time. What movie did I just watch recently where he plays straight character? I can't remember right now. But of course, he was in forbidden planet. Oh, was he? Yeah. You don't remember? He's he was like the main. He was the commander astronaut in been planted. I mean, forbidden planet's great is not great for the astronaut characters who as usual or just like some stiff white dude's. Well, you could say that Leslie Nielsen was also one of those stiff wide do for sure. He's kind of put him in the same categories. Peter graves, you know. Enlight Peter graves and was later used to terrific affect in comedy as such as the airplane, movies and the naked gun movies in this. He's he's pretty great because he plays just a very very hard cold character plays. He's a fearless mercenary. That has just been multiple wars. And even after World War Two is over. He couldn't get enough. So just continually works as a mercenary, okay and Lee, Marvin type very much very much Lee, Marvin type character ear also reminds me a lot of the kind of character that say leave and cliff would have play. Oh, yeah. Okay. So in this episode it starts off with a gentlemen's club. And here is Colonel Malloy talking it up with the other gentleman there and one of the gentleman there, Dr Mazi played by Fritz Weaver starts talking about an an episode haunted house, I'm sort of an encounter with haunted house, where just terrifying for anyone to survive. And of course, the fearless Colonel here he starts talking about just how fearless is and how fear is a disease. He says, I'm careful, but I am incapable of fear. Okay. So this leads to a bet as compared tends to happen in stuffy gentlemen's clubs Mazi says. Says that he bets he cannot survive a one night in this haunted mansion without being scared to death and any puts ten thousand dollars on the line nineteen seventy one dollars. Yeah. Cash. And so, of course, are mercenaries up for it to prove how fearless is and to to get a nice payday. He says, of course, I'll do it. So in this one of the fabulous things about this episode is basically a two person show. It's just a just Weaver and the Olsen. So and you don't even see Weaver again, physically he only appears on a television set. So what happens is that Malloy Braves the ghost defects in the house, all these smoking Mira facts seem intended to scare him out of his payday. He definitely fires a few rounds and some obvious special effects in just the audiences clear that they're special effects, or it's obvious within the story that they're special effects a little of both especially to modern viewers. The effects aren't like our terrible. But anything they're lacking. I think actually enhances this aspect of the episode. So it's like supposed to be visible to Malloy that it's fake, right? Or certainly after he's through emptying his gun into Israel. I doubt with the problem. The way I do all my problems, I tempted to murder it. Right. And then I saw that it wasn't anything to be afraid of. So eventually, though, he settles into bed as a little coffee for some reason. And then he's says, all right? I'm just going to go to bed when I wake up going to be ten thousand dollars richer. Dreaming of mounting ghost heads on his wall. Right. But then second he settles in iron bars snap into place over him in a pendulum starts descending from the ceiling. And he still refuses to give into the fear like yells. All right Mazi. You can do this. You can kill me. But you're not gonna win because look at me still not afraid not afraid to die. And and so he ends up going to sleep. And when he wakes up he makes himself breakfast and Mazi. He communicates with him via a live. Tv transmission, any reveals the following first of all Malloy, apparently encountered Mazi a pianist father in Italy during the second World War where he tortured him for information pouring gasoline over his hands and setting them on fire. Oh, so as you're gonna magin Mazi four to Malloy and to break him, you burn my daddy's hands will get you for this. Right. Yeah. So now, we know it's a revenge piece. So Mazi reveals this point that he is a biochemist one of the greatest Biochemists in the field and his highly respected in the realm of biochemical warfare. And he says that he and his colleague recently discovered a way to convert a complex enzyme in the human body into that of an earthworm and by injecting this. He says, quote, the bones of the body disintegrate without affecting the nervous system or the vital organs until the victim is as near as can be an earthworm able to move on its belly. But without vertebrae unable to stand able to feed able to pass waste matter. But unable to use its arms and legs except to assist with a slithering motion in the manner of an earthworm I can't help. But notice the sounds like a better and more interest. Version of a movie, I don't like to talk about. Yes. I I have long thought about this. We've had a couple of movies that have come out of the past ten years in which a drain. Scientist wants to turn somebody into a creature of some sort generally lesser invertebrate. And and I find that all of those the concept is initially revolting appealing. But then you realize it's not really dealt with in any depth only rolled out to to revolt the audience, whereas in this episode, I feel like it is it is leveled in a very intelligent way. So to continue going Malloy of Michelin doubts. He's like your your full of it. But Mazi tells them, oh, why don't you look in the cellar and see what became of my colleague and says he was a large, man. But now he's reduced to something like a slug in indeed earlier in the episode when when Leslie Nielsen character is looking around the mansion one of the things he encounters is this unexplained trail of. Slime through the seller. And there's this it's it's it's legitimately creepy moment. And certainly seems a little different from the the ghost affects that are thrown at him. So then he tells Malloy Mazi tells me that transformation is going to take time. But that he's going to go down and medical history. And there's no stopping it. He said you can after you leave here, you can tell the police you can go to a specialist, but first of all the specialist probably won't believe you, even if they do they're not going to be able to help you because this cannot be reversed. Wait. So at this point he's done something to Malloy to the he's like injected him or some. That's what he claims. Yes, calls his bluff. But but he's already beginning to given the fear Mazi tells him, look, you should just wanted to check your inside forearm. I believe it is defining injection point. We drugged your coffee, and I snuck in and injected you sleep. And if you still don't believe me, then go into the cellar, go into the cellar and see what my colleague became. And at this point he's like really working Malloy up and begins to move towards the seller. And he sees the trail of slime this time working through the hallways and descending into the cellar. And then he turns around, and he tells Mazi that he's still demise. And there's no way MAs. He's gonna win that had that that he Molloy's going to win. And then he shoots himself with his own gun. And at this point Mazi admits he says actually I win because there's nothing in the cellar. That's pretty good. Yeah. I mean, this is my retelling of it. So certainly the episode itself is a finer version of the tale than my synopsis here. I love the it's a common thing apparently in horror to just talk to people through TV's thinking about the Saul movies, there is segment in Creepshow where somebody talks to somebody threw a TV. Yes, I believe it is actually Leslie Nielsen I think so and the that where Ted Danson. And I can't remember the other actors name where they're buried up to their necks in the surf in the sand. Yeah. Leslie Nielsen's like wa I'll talk to you through a TV. Yeah. That's that's a nice connection between this episode and Creepshow a horrid algae film, which incidentally, enough Fritz Weaver is also in really in the crate segment plays the professor that works with how Holbrook's character, and he's fabulous in that as well. Like, he's he really should go down as more of a horror anthology legend. Well, I got to see this episode. This is pretty creepy. Just hearing you describe it. Yeah. In Crete me out. Then it still creeps me out. Now, even though there's no actual transformation. It's described. So well, it's set up. So well, you don't even care like it. It doesn't deflate the horror of it. When when you have this final twist at the end, but this particularly this concept of transformation into an earthworm. I feel like there is a lot of dread here. And in. I'd like to discuss a little bit. Why we feel that sense of dread? When we imagine being turned into. What is a centrally a noble organism the earth were? No, I can think of quite a few culturally common body transformation or deterioration phobias people have phobias about loss of teeth. That's common. When people have nightmares about losing their teeth. There's like the penis retraction phobia and people have genital deterioration fears, but I've never heard of bone disappearance. Phobia before that's a new one. It's a great one though. There's actually an episode of the Ray Bradbury theater from the eighties which has a similar plot line in which I believe Eugene Levy plays an individual who goes to Dr for some sort of skeletal issue. And he removes his skeleton reduces him to a like Judas, essentially, an invertebrate. Oh, so he liked becomes a human jellyfish. Yeah. Basically, so perhaps it's not explored enough to the bone removal or. Cinta Gration sub-genre body horror. Robert is soom you're going to tell me something about the science of earthworms, right? Yeah. This gave me a good excuse to look into the science of earthworms, and I have to apologize to earthworms and humans who've been transformed into them because we could do a whole episode just on the importance of earthworms and the Aleutian of earthworms. That's probably true of any of the subjects. We discuss in this episode. We could probably expand them into a whole Assode of their own. Yeah. If if I was a little more grown up about it. And and didn't want to use these things as an excuse to talk about night gallery. The. Yeah. The we're talking about analysts here from the analytic filing, which includes all the segmented worms such as earthworms leeches and a whole host of polychaete marine worms such as the bristle worm, which I recently got to see vacation Costa Rica? Oh, yeah. Tide pools. Yeah. What do they look like are? They briefly they are briskly. And if you touch them, especially the five year old touches them, they will they will sting, you know. But the child was fine as a friend of my son's, okay? Yeah. He was fine. He got that. But he did get to have a very up close and personal experience with with the bristle worm. So the this particular filing contains more than nine thousand species and six thousand species of earthworm, they live everywhere except and Artika, and there are even bioluminescence earthworm. Oh, I don't think I knew that. I found a couple of great sources on them in particular. Dr Frank Anderson in Dr Samuel, James, the they did a a blog post at biomedical central titled the evolution of earthworms. So earthworms are fabulous. They're their ecosystem engineers working draining air aiding the soil feel like nowadays. Most people realize that hey, you've got worms living in your garden. Earthworms? They're they're doing the Lord's work. That's. Good. What did we not always realize that worms were good for the soil? Well, it seems like we didn't. I mean, you can look back to the the writings of Aristotle who referred to them as the intestines of the earth. Which is in many ways true seems like a good thing. Right. Don't want to not have intestines. Right. But but apparently before Charles Darwin came along with his interest in earthworms. There was this idea at least in the western world at least in in Europe and Britain, specifically that earthworms were kind of passed in your guard that they weren't really doing anything get them out of there, by the way, Dr Anderson and James one of the things they discuss in their their article is that roughly one third of the earthworm species in North America were introduced from Europe or Asia in somewhere introduced into northern forests which had been free of earthworms since the end of the last ice age roughly eleven thousand years ago. Oh, wow. I've never thought about that the way. Like, the soil fauna has to recover after areas have been covered by glaciers. I guess. Yeah. I believe we've touched on this in the past on the show. Maybe it was a very old episode about the idea of earthworms being brought in by by colonial forces from the from the old world into the new world. Anyway, but earthworms there are a lot of them out there, the largest is the giant African earthworm. It's typically typically reaches fifty four inches or one point thirty six meters in length, but it's record linked is twenty two feet or six point seven meters. What? Yeah. Now, even this species before anyone pictures like a full Leslie Nielsen transformed earthworm. This species was still the giant here was still less than an inch diameter. Some nothing could scare man to death in a seller. That makes me wonder what are the upper limits of like how how filament like an organism can be like at some point. You would think that the strains of moving something that long in that thin would wanna rip it apart or something? I guess it's you see them remaining so thin. You don't see them reaching sand worm grab Lloyd size. Oh, yeah. So Anderson and James they believed that the ancestor of all living earthworms probably lived over two hundred nine million years ago, making earthworms about as old as mammals and dinosaurs, they base this estimate on DNA sequencing as well as the fossil record, which they said, you know, alternately doesn't tell us a lot regarding earthworms, but it does give us Leach cocoon fossils from the late triassic two hundred one million years ago. So which presents a a minimum age for leeches earthworms, but the idea of human becoming an earthworm the loss of vertebrate status. I think it terrifies us because it also it reduces to the activities mentioned by Dr Mazi right moving eating producing waste, and these are all things we do. Naturally, but but we tend to focus on all the other aspects of human existence. I mean, sometimes to the point where we want to reject our inner worm you'd say, I think generally bones are pretty important to our lives. Yeah. Yeah. I she one hundred percent with that we need our bones. But but but also just the idea that the worm doesn't do anything else. I mean does a lot and again, but to sort of the the human perspective right digging around in garden and not knowing what the earth worms are doing. All it seems to do is just food goes in one. In poop comes out the other crawls around it is like just the stripped everything more interesting away from the certainly the human experience in the mammalian experiences. Well, well, yeah. I mean, a common feature of body horror. You know, long before we had David Kronenbourg, we had older strains of body horror, the kind of horror that space not say in a monster chasing you but in the transformation of yourself into something you don't like recognize. I mean, the most common version of that is say reduction to what people would consider a lower strata of animal existence. You know being made into a beast. East that's less than human ho. Yeah. I mean, I can't help think of course of Kafka's the minimum offices. Yeah. Though, of course, that beast like he was turned into I think the term directly translate in translates into something like vermin, but it's often interpreted as like a, you know, a cockroach or something like that. But yeah, he the the weird thing there is he retains all of his mental faculties he has full since he's just had his body transformed. I absolutely love this. That is I think that is the only horror story that I've actually read in a foreign language. I read it in German class. Really? Yeah. Yeah. What was it like in German? It was it was a cool experience since forgotten any smidge of German that was it was that reading that store in German was the absolute peak of Maya, my my, my German, language reading ability. Well, it sounds like a good peak decline before committing to the valley forever. So I mention Charles Darwin earlier, Charles Darwin, of course. The famous naturalist who gave us the theory of natural selection. He was quite interested in earthworms. And in fact, they were the subject of his last book eighteen eighty ones the formation of vegetable mould through the action of worms, and despite this amazing dry subject matter, perhaps it was still the most successful book published during his lifetime. Really? And and the yeah. And according to Anderson and James, it was pretty key in changing western views on earth worms. They were. No longer soil pests people realize they had importance and tying in with our directly with their night gallery episode. It's its success inspired in eighteen eighty two punch, which was publication punch magazine. I guess you would call it. They had a cartoon that depicted worms evolving into monkeys monkeys evolving into men in kind of spiral around a cartoon version of Charles. Darwin. Well, I feel like I should know the answer to this question. But I honestly don't are is a worm like organism at some point believed to be part of our follow genetic history, or is or have worms always been separate from whatever became vertebrates and eventually became us. Well, there they've been a lot of studies over the years looking at nematodes in particular like if you just do some searches for. Human genetics and worms. You'll find these these articles, and I was tempted to go into those deeper here and then realize that's really deserving of all episode, but. But either way I mean, whether or not some type of worm a direct ancestor, obviously, we share common incest. So the question is how much do we have in common? Well, I was looking at a paper that goes into this bit titled earthworm genomes genes and proteins the rediscovery of Darwin's worms. And this was by Strouss in bomb Andrei, Kylie, and Morgan is published in two thousand nine and in the proceedings of the Royal Society. So I'd like to read just a section where they they referenced Darwin here in in particularly the referencing that illustration I talked about with the worms transforming into monkeys quote. The illustration is a humorous construct, but an examination of the earthworm structure and function reveals cells and tissues and cell types with vertebrate counterparts earthworms are Seila mate. Protons possessing an anatomically and functionally differentiated alimentary canal. With brush bordered absorb give epithelial a closed blood circulation with hemoglobin infre- suspension, an organized nervous system with Sofala ganglia and Niro secretary activities a multifunctional tissue for which carbohydrate, metabolism and storage properties are reminiscent of mammalian hep to sites a series of paired two bills in each segment with renal urine forming functions and a systemic immune system, comprising Leukocyte like cells. So I realize there's a lot of those very technical information that I had to stumble through. But you know, what it's basically getting down to is that yes, we're very different from earthworms. I'm not saying that earthworms that humans are basically the same thing. But when you start looking at genetics and just sort of life itself, we're not that different. Yeah. No. They've got a lot of similar anatomical counterparts. Yeah. Some of the same. Stuff you'd see in mammals. And in a way, you can see them as a reduced version of what we right, in fact, when you look at our jeans one thing, the authors pointed out here is that earthworm share something like two hundred and twenty genes of their of their been catalogued at eight thousand one hundred twenty nine gene objects with humans, and that's more than with fruit flies, sixty eight genes or nematode worms forty-nine jeans, despite the importance of fruit fly and nematode genes in human research. There's a whole lot of vertebrate Kamala Giese in there. They wrote in summary that more earthworm genes are conserved between earthworms, and humans provides anecdotal support of the original punch cartoon strap line, quote man is but a war, that's wonderful. And I like how they have fundamentally conclusively proved that you can inject somebody with an enzyme and turn them into earth. No, no. That's still pure science fiction. But, but I think maybe doesn't lean into the idea that it is science fiction, not just pure sorcery. Like there there is a connection there are there is a a worm e slimy trail descending through the haunted house of human evolution. If we dare follow it. Well, I have greatly enjoyed following the slimy trail, Robert, yeah, I think part of the fun of going after these sort of picking an episode of from an anthropology series. And then just seeing what kind of you can squeeze out of it. On that note. Let's take a quick break. When we come back. 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But it also has has one more really stellar segment. Yes. And this is of course, the Simpsons treehouse of horror segment time and punishment. One of the great Simpson's dream of horror shorts of all time. Maybe maybe the best one ever. So we'll give you the quick rundown. Homer Simpson breaks the toaster by getting his hand jammed in it twice. The best gags ever on the show. It's still makes me laugh every time. The second time he gets his hand jammed in there. I think leases like Tajik still in there. And he's. There's just so much fabulous screaming and sprawling about anyway. So toasters broken the s to do some repairs. So in doing so Homer accidentally turns the toaster into a time machine that takes them back to the Cretaceous period and upon arriving. He recalls the advice his father gave him on his wedding night. Which is if you ever happened to travel back into the past don't change anything because the ripple effects through time could be disastrous. Unfortunately, of course, Homer ends up killing bugs, and you know, generally messing stuff up in the past. And so home comes back to the present the first time to find kind of nineteen Eighty-four scenario where Ned Flanders rules the earth kind of nineteen eighty Diddley for if you will. And it's just too good. So eventually Homer he he goes back through time again to try to fix things. And every he changes something in the past the future changes in horrible ways. Finally in the end, he settles for a present in which things are basically normal. But everybody has forked lizard tongues. These good enough. No. And of course, this seems to be based on Ray Bradbury's short story a sound of thunder which was originally published in Collier's magazine in nineteen fifty two. And by the way, Robert I think I'm to understand you have not seen the two thousand five movie version of a sound of thunder. With Ben Kingsley in that, dude. With an attitude from saving private Ryan. No, I haven't you sent me a trailer for it. And somehow I totally missed this movie every even existed, it has some of the most deliciously awful CGI monsters of all time. It's you know, that kind of early two thousand CGI that the time people just thought was amazing. And now you can't look at it without laughing. Yeah. It's it's it's a shame. You know, it's not like some of the stop motion animation. You find older some older films like this puppets puppets like this. Maybe maybe our taste will change. Maybe we'll look back on them in ten years. And we'll. Them right now. It's very difficult. Well, I mean, I do love them. But not for the reason they were expecting of them. It's hilarious like reading movie reviews from the late nineties and early two thousands where critics will say like, well, this movie wasn't very good. But at least it has dazzling special effects. Some people were just they're out of their minds in the late nineties and early two thousand for these CGI movies that look so bad. You cannot keep your eyes focused on them. You have to look away. I remember seeing the Spahn movie came out and thinking about that had some pretty cool again action it. Yeah. And suddenly like glanced back. Glad glad granted. I didn't watch it in full watched a few scenes on YouTube, and I was just really astounded at how bad the CGI was. I it's it's amazing. But anyway, this movie it it takes the story at one point. There's this monster this kind of like a baboon velociraptor hybrid. It's just amazing. But anyway, so what what is the plot of sound? Thunder Ray Bradbury's original story. Well, it involves hunters traveling back through time to go on safari through time and Killa terrain the source wrecks, and so this time travel safari in the story is believed to be safe because scouts have gone ahead and selected an animal that was about to die. Anyway. So killing it shouldn't change too much about the past. But then in the story one one of these safari guys, I think this rich guy pay into go on this trip. He sort of goes off script, he falls off this levitating path that they've constructed any changes too much about the past especially in the end by discovering that he crushed a butterfly under his boot. And so then when they return to the future. Everything's weird English words are spelled different and fascist politician has come to power. It's a fabulous story. I should also point out that I think it's the third season of the Ray Bradbury theater had an ad of this that I think was actually scripted by rape bradberry. I remember as being pretty good. Yeah. So. Do not feel like you only have that that awful CGI film to fall back on. But, but isn't it interesting that probably more people have been exposed to this concept through the Simpsons then through the Ray Bradbury theater or certainly the writings of Ray Bradbury. Oh, that's how it often is. I mean, lots of classic scifi stories ended up as Simpsons episodes. And that's what people primarily know them from just like more people of roughly our generation the tail of the monkey's paw as the twisted claw episode of our Euphrates the dark. Oh, yeah. I mean, it makes sense whereas sensually talking about folktales, and and and these things evolve these things change with the teller, historically. And so it makes sense that they should change with the teller even today. Yeah. But so this is sort of a timeless story in a way because it's illustrating concept that if you've ever really thought about time travel, and what it would mean if time travel into the past could exist. If you think about it hard enough, you're likely to stumble across some version of what's come to be known in in chaos theory in meteorology in mathematics says the butterfly effect. Now, they're plenty of popular misconceptions about the butterfly effect. You heard about it in Jurassic Park and stuff. One of the common misconceptions is that the term actually comes from Ray Bradbury's story sound of thunder. Because what we find out at the end that this guy stepped on a butterfly, and he sees it on his boot and realize Ono that caused these cascading effects through time and changed everything. This is not the case. The term does not come from that story in reality. Credit can be given to the MIT meteorologist Edward Norton Laurenz who was discussing the accuracy of weather prediction models and Lauren's found while working on meteorological computer programs that extremely tiny changes in initial inputs would lead to huge differences in predicted. Whether pat. Turn's over time such unavoidable errors in our inputs will probably always make whether fundamentally unpredictable beyond a certain distance into the future, and you actually know this from your own experience. Right. You look at today's weather forecast. It's probably pretty accurate. Tomorrow's is probably pretty accurate. You try to go seven days into the future. It's it's kind of a crap shoot. Then in predicting say whether a month into the future is almost useless. And this is because even though we have very good weather prediction models at this point their accuracy, just deteriorates over time because of the amplification of tiny initial differences that you can't ever totally eliminate. So, you know, you you make a tiny tiny, you know, many many decimal places behind the zero change to some initial input in weather prediction model, and then you run that run that alongside something with the original. Input and one day into the future. They'll be pretty similar but five days into the future. They will be dramatically different. So whatever you've got slightly wrong today, however, tiny that air is will mean, you just can't predict the future in a month and illustrate this concept of Lauren's use the image of a bird. I think a seagull or a butterfly flapping its wings leading to changes in the weather that would create a tornado that you wouldn't have had otherwise. Now, one thing I also wanna make clear is that this is talking about the predicted movements of specific weather patterns and events, right? When they're trying to say where rain will be at a certain time, and how the front the, you know, the air fronts will move and everything we can on the other hand makes them solid predictions about whether just based on climate and statistics, for example, you can predicted as much more likely to be raining in Seattle tomorrow than it is to be raining in death valley tomorrow, and you are likely to be correct based on. In those predictions made on on the basis of knowledge about climate and statistics, but still if you're trying to predict for in the future with specific movements of weather patterns. You're you're gonna have a really hard time doing it another misconception about the butterfly effect. I think a lot of times people interpreted exactly the wrong way. It's like the opposite of what it means. They think that it means you can identify small changes that lead to big affects in complex systems. This is the opposite of the point about the butterfly effect. The butterfly effect is specifically about the lack of deterministic predictability in complex systems with Cincinnati to initial conditions. The technical term for this would be deterministic non linear systems, non linear systems are systems where the outputs or not directly proportional to the inputs. You know, you can slightly vary. An input and big changes in the difference of the output. So the point is not that you can see tornado and actually trace it back to. Butterfly flapping its wings, rather the point is that whether systems emerged from complex interactions over time with extreme sensitivity to initial conditions. Meaning that if you move far enough back in time, you could not have predicted that a tornado would emerge. It's not about predicting the future of a complex system based on tiny initial changes. It's about how complex systems are more and more unpredictable. The farther into the future, you try to predict this, of course, is one of the fundamental concepts of chaos theory. And maybe maybe we should come back into vote. A full episode to this one day with special guest, and Malcolm, yes, I've never really thought to look critically whether the way, Ian, Malcolm tries to apply chaos theory in Jurassic Park is a legitimate application of that theory. May maybe the maybe it is. I don't know that would would actually be fun a breakdown of the original drastic park film. And it would give us more opportunity to rail against what drastic park, especially the recent films are doing understanding of dinosaurs. I'm reading to kids now. Who's favourite? Dinosaurs are fictional dinosaurs. From this most recent movie, I feel like it's a shame real. Dinosaurs. Are good enough come on? It's like everybody. They're like, oh, it's this blue Lahser after something. I don't know. I haven't seen it yet. Maybe it's wonderful. I suppose I should just be pleased that they're interested in dinosaurs. At all, but they're just so many wonderful actual species, and our our current scientific understanding of them. I feel like should be reflected to some extent in our fiction. Totally. So it's pretty widely accepted that something like the butterfly effect applies to whether I think there are actually are some dissent and say, no, it's just, you know, problems with their models or something. But the question is would it apply to the biological history of earth would stepping on fish seventy million years ago change the presence ubstantially? And how would it change the present? Unfortunately, this is not a question that I think has a firm scientific answer. I think this is just something p we don't know what the answer to this question is one thing. I think. Inc. Though. I could be wrong is I think stories like this often get the scale of the changes wrong. Like, it's interesting these stories tend to assume kind of nonsensical aesthetic changes around the margins of reality. But we're the broad strokes are the same. You know example, would be Ned Flanders still exists the Simpsons still exist there apparently the same people. Netflix. Anders is still the Simpson. Simpson's next door neighbor. But is also the dictator of earth, you know, and I know that's a parody. I'm not trying to like rag on the Simpsons for that. But it's a it's a good parody. Because it highlights the kind of absurdity that you see in stories like this like in sound of thunder, the idea that you'd still basically have the same people existing in the same like candidates running for offer its office, but a different one of the candidates one. Yeah. And the back of the Simpsons like why would everything be the same except for the tongue? Right. So I could. Be wrong. But I would tend to say just intuitively in based on, you know, using the weather analogy that butterfly effect type changes from deep into the past would result in let's say larger amplitude changes tens of millions of years down the road, bigger, bigger amplitude changes than which candidate wins election would people even exist if they did with the same individual, people, even exist. I don't know seems kinda doubtful. There's that great scene in that where Homer sits on a creature emerging from the water. Yes. Which I love that. Because I feel like he kind of calls back to. Paleo art in our science textbooks. And we were told about the pollution of life. And you see this picture of some sort of creature waddling out of the water talking about like life coming from the sea, and then becoming terrestrial, but it it can kind of accidents put this idea in your mind that there was one fish. Just like this is the one. And if you sat on it, it would change everything. Yeah. That that kind of misconception like one fish got brave. Yes. And it climbed out of the water. And if it hadn't done that there never would have been any kind of like water to land willing vertebrate transition. Yeah. I mean, maybe that's part of American exceptionalism. Kind of you know, accidentally drained into our science that fish really had was a free thinker really changed everything. It's the great man theory of history. Exactly. And of course, we got no time for that. But, hey, this story also deals with the practical effects of time travel something that unfortunately, again is in in the speculative realm. But at least we can offer some informed criticism. Even if we can't have like, you know, a proven scientific theory about time travel. So one of the things we often point out on the show is that, of course, time travel into the future is easy. In fact, you're doing it right now in more ways than in more than one more than one way more than one more ways than one. Anyway, you are traveling into the future, of course, at a rate of one second per second. But beyond that, you are in fact time traveling into the future in the way that many stories imagine. Meaning you're going into the future faster than other things are because of time dilation effects, you're closer to the center of gravity of earth. So you are actually going into the future faster than objects farther away. From the center of gravity of earth that are moving at the same velocity. As you also because you're moving faster that's dilating time in a way speeding up your travel into the future. If you get into spaceship and travel, even even faster than you, will you even more greatly speed up your relative travel into the future. You will get old slower than things that are not traveling with you in that fast moving spaceship. So. Yeah. Time travel into the future is totally real proven feature relativity, and is just it's actually almost kind of easy on the other hand, we often talk about how time travel into the past is perhaps impossible, and if not impossible, at least very very hard the ways in which it has done. I was I was reading a post about this on Sean Carroll's blog, the physicist, Sean Carroll, Caltech physicist, he writes, a lot of great, you know, popular science writing these days, and he's got a great blog one of his post from two thousand nine it's called rules for time travelers where he just says, okay? If we were to try to make scientifically accurate time travel movies. What would happen in them? He argues that traveling into the past is difficult. It might not be impossible. If you can do it. It would be based on what's you know, basically like bridges through space time known as close time like curves. And if it is possible to travel into the past one of the things about this is that it is not possible to change the past. So you might be able to travel back in time. But you couldn't create a paradox by say going back and killing your grandfather, whatever so that you never existed. In fact, anything you went back into the past. And did you would find was in fact, already part of the past in the future that you came from? That's the paradox of the whole situation. Right. I mean in that the that makes it kind of weird because that seems to sort of create a paradox as well, like it's the closed time loop like you see in the original Terminator movie, there's a boy who exist. Or a person who exist only because somebody from the future was sent back in time by him to become his father. So like how how did that closed loop get initiated so anyway, backward? Time travel's still generally, smells, rotten to me. But but Carol saying if it's possible if it's possible at all, you can't change the past you, you know, whatever's done is done that just is the past even if you can go back also another point he makes is that you can't travel back in time to before the time machine was invented he says, you know, maybe you can travel back to a point. You know, you've got a time machine later, and you can travel back to win the time machine was made, but you can't travel back to the middle ages or something like that because you paradoxes again, which takes the fun out of our time travel fiction. But it also would explain why we haven't been visited by time travellers. Oh, yeah. I mean, that's always a great question. Now, you might be thinking. Okay. But wait about wait a minute. What? About like four king branches of time. You know, can't you four cough into different branches of time. You know, even Sean Carroll. He he adheres to the many worlds theory of quantum mechanics. Right. So he thinks that the universe is constantly branching off into different realities based on the the wave function of quantum mechanical objects and events, but but even if you accept that. There's no reason to think that traveling back into time would somehow give you access to different quantum realities that just seems like, you know, you're here you're here. This is the one you have access to interact with other quantum realities by definition, you can't interact with them. That's what makes them different realities. So, unfortunately, I don't think you, you know, if you don't like the your lot in life today, and you want to change things. I don't think you can do it by going back and stomping on a fish or even a butterfly. Still great episode treehouse of are also good, and I do recommend that Ray Bradbury theater episode is well, I believe you can find the full thing on one of video streaming sites. If you love bad movies. I also recommend the two thousand five it's it's one for the ages. Are I well, let's move on to another one showy. All right. So Joe you flown with me before? Yes, you probably have observed that I'm kind of a slightly nervous flyer. I I like to try to be a comb reassuring presence. Yeah. Try not to raise my voice around you getting onto the airplane. Yeah. And I I have to say, I I don't have any where near the difficulty that I know some people struggle with when it comes to flying. But yeah, I found myself grow more anxious when it comes to flights in recent years, and I've I've been able to successfully manage this to to certain degree with a little zanex a little Steve Roach, ambient electronic music, maybe. A little biosphere. And that seems to do the do the job. It makes me more pleasant flyer. It makes me more pleasant to be around when I'm flying. But so given this reality I couldn't help. But discuss the classic twilight zone episode from October of nineteen sixty three nightmare at twenty thousand feet based. I should point out on the Richard Matheson short story alone by night. Isn't it? Great. How many of these shorts? Come from great short stories by scifi riders. Yeah. I mean, we're going to get to some that are based on terrible stories. That's true. But yeah. So far we've been talking about some big names here. Richard matheson. What is was a legend this episode, of course is famous because it also starred with Shatner, so just a quick acting. Oh, yeah. He's he's pretty good at this. And he was a least a couple of twilight zones, maybe more. I remember there being at least another one he was in. Yeah. What was he he was in one that had like a was it a jukebox sonnet, napkin, napkin dispenser? Yeah. Why why jukebox like spit out fortunes or something to that effect? Yeah. It's like a fortune cookie napkin dispenser blanket on the details is not nearly as famous as episode. So in this one William Shatner plays a nervous flyer who witnesses a creature on the wing of the plane during flight, and he has in the episode. He has he's just bouncing back from nervous breakdown aboard flight. So everyone's doubting him. When he starts reporting seeing a creature on the wing of the plane, this what is essentially a grim l'an though. It's kind of a yeti. Suit. It's like a combination of yeti sued, and it also kind of looks like that dog down the hall and the scene in the shining. Yeah, it's not a great monster suit. But the episode is so solid it somehow works, and it gets it makes sense. It would be furry of it's at such a height. You know, it's cold up there. I should point out. I said as grim Lynn. Well, it's a pre mug y grim on a pre gremlins and gremlins to gremlin. Not the Joe Dante kind right? Yeah. This is essentially the folkloric creature that messes with technology and idea that spread especially during World War Two. So if something went wrong with your airplane engine, you'd say they're gremlins in there. Right. So in this episode the crew attempts to sedate him. I think even give them a pill shattner, not the gremlin, right, right? Nobody sees the gremlin. They're just like here. Take this pill crazy person, by the way. Good luck. Trying to get a any kind of sedatives out of. Out of there. The crew of your flight semi fly. That's the policy. You can't ask for them. You have to say you see monsters get them. Yeah. So he's raving about the creature and finally the plane lands. He's rolled away in a straitjacket. But as he's rolled away. He sees the claw marks on the outside of the plane. The proof on the engine that the monster was tearing apart the plane. He was right all along. He's not the insane person. In fact, he is the only sane person. Of course this. This this episode was also recreated in the nineteen eighty three film twilight zone, the movie which Don lift Gow played the lead played the nervous flyer, and he's absolutely wonderful in that and owned, by the way, George Miller of Mad Max that that segment in the film, the gremlin in the in the movie version. Yeah, there's a movie version groom on a lot more frightening. And then also there's a treehouse of horror did this as well. Do it with the school bus, right? Tear at five and a half. Feet. Yeah. It's it's pretty wonderful as well. And does a great job of delivering exactly the same story, essentially except with something outside of the school bus. Yeah. Then when they put Bart in the ambulance at the end it follows him under the ambulance. Yes. Yes. That's a nice twist like they added sometimes the treehouse of Harz like they add a little extra element to the existing story, and it really works. So the science of this. Well, we could probably have a really rich discussion about flying executives in general. We've touched on it before in our escape. Pod episode. We trust ourselves over to the machine and the people companies and regulations that ensure everything's working. There's a loss of agency and flying and I feel like it's just your constantly reminded or reminding yourself about the potential undesirable possibilities. I mean, it's standing atop a mountain when you look out, and you see the height that you have achieved not through any. Skill of your own, but just through the the technology and people's rounding. It's like being deposited on the top of mount. Yes. A little bit less empowering. Yeah. Airplanes are sort of great to look at when you're thinking about fear because they combined so many different kinds of phobia triggers for people. Of course, there's just fear of heights and stuff, you know, looking at the window and looking down that that can upset people. There is fear of an accident of the plane crashing. But there's also just a fear that as always been more salient for me whenever I've had airplane fears, mainly what it is is what do you call it sort of type of variety of claustrophobia. I guess we're not being able to leave a place when you want to, you know, the idea that like okay for so many hours. I'm stuck here. And I could not get off if I wanted to. Yeah. The most I can do is go through a lot of rigmarole to walk down the hallway and use a very difficult. Bathroom in potentially have to wait in line. Yeah. I guess that's the type of fear. There's also just like, I know airplanes are particular type of Gora phobia trigger for some people where you know, like the fear of losing control or having a panic attack or something like that in a public place, and that it self triggering Zaid. Yes. And then on top of that you got the traveling Zaidi's leading into it. Right. Because Neville, you had to get to that airport had to get through security here at eighty and maybe customs of you're on the other line like, they're all these other stresses added on top of it. It makes for a very stressful day of travel, really admit experience. There would be a lot of problem solved. If airports would actually just play music for airports CNN. Yeah. Channel news on the TV instead of instead of Iino. I don't get it. Play me. Something calming just like Enos music and just scenes the scenes from legend of unicorns drinking water. That's all I need. No goblins. So I guess the thing about is is the idea that this is a nightmare at twenty thousand feet what what is the twenty thousand feet about right to put this in perspective. The top of Mount Everest is twenty nine thousand twenty eight feet above sea level. But that's also quite a bit below the Karman line at three hundred thirty thousand feet, which is generally considered the rough boundary between the atmosphere and space and I say rough because it's not like the atmosphere just stops. There's more of a tapering off. Now for modern flyers such as ourselves, we're generally working with cruising altitude and cruising altitude. You know? That's that's when you achieved the, you know, the altitude you're going to have for the main portion of your flight, you're not ascending or descending. You're just a achieving an optimal altitude optimal speed etcetera. But it's generally going to be somewhere in the neighborhood of thirty three thousand feet to forty two thousand feet though. According to the USA today article, what is the outset of a plane in flight the upper limit is generally domain of private jets that because that's going to be more about. Yeah. We want to get where we're going, you know, prices and much of an option but with commercial flights. Everything's kind of karaoke careful algorithm. Like, how can we do this in the most cost effective way possible in the safest way possible? But for the rest of us yet we're going to be somewhere closer to thirty three thousand foot altitude. It's going to be this sweet spot where the air is thin enough to reduce drag. But they're still enough. Oxygen for the engines. Plus, it allows them to fly over most weather, which is located further down in the troposphere. So we're talking about minimal turbulence which is exactly how I like to consume the word turbulence. Now, I would guess it normal cruising altitude because cabins have to be pressurized. Like, you couldn't just like breathe the air at that height. Right. Yeah. Since we're flying above ten thousand feet airliners or pressurized hints those little dropdown mass for oxygen in the event of cabin depressurization. Now, of course, the twilight zone episode the original one takes place in the early nineteen sixties so made me think what sort of altitudes were we talking about here. Well, I was reading a longing for the golden age of air travel. Be careful what you wish for by history. Professor Janet that aren't on the conversation, and she points out some key factors in flying during this time period. And as the title implies why you'd be better far better off flying. Now as opposed to that golden age, no matter how cool it looks on you know, stuff like madmen. Yeah. But can you smoke a pipe on a plane today? Well, yeah. These are the things people getting a static about I guess if they're smokers. So she pointed. To the introduction of jets in nineteen fifty eight. The transatlantic commercial flight might last something like fifteen hours, and they had a maximum cruising altitude aptitude of ten to twelve thousand feet, meaning that they couldn't fly over bad weather. So you thought modern delays were bad. No way. Basically, like, if the weather was bad, you just you too bad to fly through it. Then it wasn't going to happen. The then you had the propeller-driven Boeing strata cruiser come along, for example that could seat fifty first class passengers or eighty one coach passengers and it could cruise at thirty two thousand feet above most of the weather, but during its heyday only fifty six we're active in the entire world. So that's the other thing we have to realize now, it's like the commercial flight world is just so much vaster than it was in in breaches times later, we got the DC six and the DC seven both press repressurize planes, but they had to fly. Lower outta toots. Guess what we're talking twenty thousand feet. So that's where we come back around to to the to the twilight zone episode here for the for these flights turbulence was common. The engines were difficult to maintain in this resulted in frequent delays. So this just matches up perfectly with his original idea of the the twilight zone concern about the you know, what the engines are doing engine malfunctions turbulence all happening at around twenty thousand feet. I must notice in nightmare twenty thousand feet that the windows on the airplane. Look very large compared to the windows on a plane today. I didn't I didn't look into this as much I wonder if that's just so you can see the monster through or. An actual fuselage. Yeah. I didn't research that particular aspect of it. So Bednarik also make some other important notes about safety of the time. Because ultimately, this is a film about airline safety fear of of bad things happening during a flight, she points out in the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties US airlines experience at least a half dozen crashes per year. Most leading to the fatalities of everyone on board compare that to twenty seventeen the safest year on record and commercial air history zero accidental deaths in commercial passenger jets, and that's with many more flights from. Yeah. Tremendously more. Flights Dutch aviation consulting firm to seventy estimated that the fatal accident rate. For large commercial passenger flights is point zero six per million flights or one fatal accident for every sixteen million flights. I would suggest that calculation. It appears gremlins are either extinct or endangered. Yeah. That would seem to be the case. Like, this is store that speaks more to an earlier age of of commercial air travel. Despite the fact that every time I fly legitimately every time. I fly I look out the window, and I see the wing I think of this twilight zone. Yeah. Yeah. Not that I like freak out about the possibility of an actual gremlin, but still I can't help. But think think about it? It's just always been there, but I'd like to turn to the biological element of nightmare twenty thousand feet. Okay. What sort of organism can actually become a factor at that altitude? Well, I mean, I know there there are bacteria that living clouds are there are there large animals that fly up that high? That's a great question because we're talking about some extreme heights here. Right. And again, you know, we require pressurized cabins and or masks to to survive up there. Everything has to be temperature the temperature to be carefully maintained but evolution delivers certain bird species to these lofty heights as well. And yes, some of them can pose grave danger to flights. These are of course, refer to his bird strikes, which which are when they occur can be pretty pretty terrible. I read that most bird strikes are encountered it below ten thousand feet. I've also read that most directionally current below three thousand feet. Okay. So I think that should give you an idea like most of the birds are operating at at lower altitudes when you fly above the weather. You're probably flying above the Birt's. So as with most things in air traveled, the majority of the dangers are going to be closer to take off and landing non at cruising altitude. Right. And and again, they can be pretty dangerous especially in the event of a double bird strike. We're both. Engines or hit a by the bird's still major accidents are few, but we have to consider some of the birds that do get up to some crazy height. So I just want to run through a few of them here before we get to the the king of altitude there are migrating white storks which can reach sixteen thousand feet or forty eight hundred meters they're migrating bar tailed godwit s- that can that can actually reach twenty thousand feet or six thousand meters. Wow. There's the bar headed goose which can get up to twenty nine thousand feet or eight thousand eight hundred meters and these guys fly over the tallest mountain ranges on earth. Why do they go up so high Dino well with the the earlier species we're talking about like this ends up being a part of their migration? But the king of all this the king of altitude is definitely Rupel's vulture also known as a Rupel's Griffin. Whoa. We're talking a maximum out outta toot of eleven thousand three hundred. Meters or thirty seven thousand one hundred feet. So these are these are voters. They're extremely keen of I, you know, they're they have evolved to fly above it all and and taking everything beneath, but they can get up to just crazy outta toots just unchallenged in their ability to do. So now, fortunately, they're found only in the south region of central Africa. This is a belt stretching across the continent. Just below the Sahara. Oh, yeah. But indeed a bird strike entailing Rupel's vulture actually occurred over the Ivory Coast at an altitude of thirty seven thousand one hundred feet or eleven thousand three hundred meters on November twenty ninth nineteen Seventy-three. According to serious Volterra hits two aircraft over the world two thousand report by the international bird strike committee outside temperatures were frigid. There was almost no oxygen. And yet here comes this this vulture and it hits the plane. So that I think is one of the you know, these are. One of the few examples of organisms that are actually going to be going about their normal business, like large organisms organisms large of to pose a potential in slim threat to commercial flights, by the way. Also ran across a story from twenty ten in which a rubles vulture escaped from bird show in north lecture. Scotland in her name was Gandalf and an after she escaped airports in the area were put on notice. And there was no evidence that she was ever recovered or anything. Fly you fools. But but it's it was like kind of an alarming story because it's like, oh this bird is escape. And it could there's a very slim chance it could pose a danger to commercial flights in the area. But we should remind you that even with the Rupel's vulture flying around somewhere out there flying generally pretty safe these days. Yeah. It's far safer than driving. When you break down the statistics again commercial flights not. Not necessarily getting in the airplane that your dentist buddy owns right? We're talking about commercial flights again 2017 safest year on record. You really don't have to worry about gremlins on the wing of the plane only about the Langa leaders. Speaking of late nineties CGI, right? Yes. For real, man. That's a good one. I love that short story. That was that was definitely a Stephen King wellness. It was more of an Avella. But it it definitely harkened back to some of those twilight zone type scenarios. I've never read the story. But I remember seeing that on TV's sometime around back when it came out and oh, man. Yeah. That was one where maybe even maybe even the critics of the time we're not wowed by the CGI. Yeah. They were sensually like the critters crates from the critters movies. There were just these big CGI mouths like eating the sky. It's a shame. Because the original story is a lot of fun. I do recommend it. I mean, don't read it on a plane for God's. They do read it when you're on the ground. Okay. We need to take a quick break. But we will be right back with more horror anthology science. This episode is brought to you by stamps dot com. I'm one of those outgoing people who knows all of my neighborhood postal workers every like going to the post office. But sometimes my life is insane. And that is simply not always practical, thankfully these days. 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Enter history class, there's no space. Just the two words together. All right. We're back. So what do you have worse? Joe? Well, you just did a twilight zone episode. I feel like I gotta do twilight zone episode. They had there so many thoughtful episodes of the twilight zone, perhaps because you know, it wasn't just pure har-. It also had a lot of science fiction in it and just weird fiction in general. So here is a scifi horror episode of the twilight zone, this is one of the classics. You probably I bet the majority of you out there listening already know the story here. But for those of you who don't I've gotta tell it. It is to serve man. This is one that was written. By rod Serling based on a story by writer named Damon Knight. It was originally aired on March second nineteen sixty two. And it's just got a twist to put him night Shymal onto shame. It is the best. So here's rod sterling teaser for the episode. Respectfully submitted for your perusal, a candidate height a little over nine feet, wait in the neighborhood of three hundred and fifty pounds, origin unknown motive. Cbs there in the hangs the tail for just a moment. We're going to ask you to shake hands figuratively with Christopher Columbus from another galaxy and another time this is the twilight zone who will that's already terrifying possibility here. So it's got a guy named Lloyd Bockner in it as a Canadian actor as this government cryptographer who who is tasked with decoding and alien book. So actually, I should say I show up there called the candidates played by Richard Kiel who ended up playing Kyle or keel. Do you know how you pronounce it? I was Keough, but it could be drastically wrong. He's the guy who played jaws JAMES BOND movies IGA as well. He was he guy. Yeah. And so he plays all of these aliens. They all look the same and Richard Kiel in in like, some weird head makeup shows up on earth, and he speaks to the United Nations telepathically, and he's like, hey, we're here. Help you. We're gonna solve world hunger. We're going to make we're going to make war disappear. We're gonna solve all your problems and make life on earth. Great don't you want that don't you want this free new energy source that you can you know, power a whole country for a few dollars a day? Don't you want? All this great stuff and people are they're hesitant at first. But they're like, well, okay. And so jaws brings a book with them that Japan has like a title in these alien glyphosate on the cover. He's like reading things from this book as he's promising stuff to humanity. And they get a cop the humans grab a copy of the book, and they bring it to this government cryptographer, and they're like, can you decode this tell us what it means? And so he he works on it. He's got a colleague named Patty who works on it, it proves too difficult to code except that Patty decode the title and figures up the title is to serve man. Well, that sounds no wonderful and really works out. Well for us, exactly. So. The can't decode the rest of the book, but to serve men and that sort of puts people at ease. They're like, okay. Well, the book there is about how to serve humankind. That sounds like a good thing. So people start getting on spaceships to go with jaws to his home planet where they will be given. I think one point they're talking about how they've even got baseball on the candidates planet to go to basically, it's like a forever vacation where everything's just gonna be awesome. So the people are getting on the spaceships to go there. And then the big twist that comes at the end is right as the main guys about to get on the spaceship to go to the candidates planet, and and live out his days at the baseball resort or whatever. Patty comes yelling at him. Don't get on the ship. It's a cookbook. It's so good to serve man dinner. The sentence a period, this is well to a limited extent, right? How to serve mill house for dinner. Oh, I vaguely I don't remember win that which when I don't I can't remember which episode. It was okay. But they definitely touched on it at one point. Now, I don't wanna be too literal about interpreting the science of the story because if you really wanted to be picky, you could point out million. Really funny details in like there's one point where to try to make sure that the aliens intentions are actually good. They hook jaws up to a to a polygraph. Like, they give 'em a human polygraph to deceive. He's lying about wanting to help them. Another thing. This funny is they bring in this cryptographer to code this alien book. But to decode it to what like cryptography usually consists of trying to decode in coded messages to unknown language, where you're like, you know, where it will code out to some kind of script that you already understand. How would you decode alien language when you have nothing to start with? Yeah. And I like the idea that they could figure out nothing from the inside like, no content, but just the title. It's great. But anyway, okay. The main thing I wanted to talk about ignoring all that other stuff is the idea of aliens invading in order to eat us, or perhaps more realistically in other option just to eat earth life in general, maybe not focused on us. But just here to eat things. Okay. So not just to say harvest, the resources of our planet, and or to do something to our star which we've discussed, but you're talking about like just just just tell. Tear into the biomass of earth. It's a very common theme Saifi horror and at a glance it sort of makes sense because you think about like, okay. So what do human invaders do when they invade a country? We'll a lot of times what they'll do is they'll just like rage your village and take all your food won't food. They need all your steal all your grain and stuff, and then they'll move on or they'll land an island, and if there's a particular flightless bird, or or some sort of a turtle or tortoise that is notoriously unable to defend itself, and and perhaps even trusting to a fault of humans. They might just eat them all or every time they come back harvest as many as they can and need them on the ship or just kill them and not eat them. Humans. Did the did that too? Yeah. Yeah. That's a little maybe we don't want to think about that comparison. But okay. So would they want to eat us or eat our food? I came across an interesting opin. Nyon about this. This was in a chapter from a book called aliens, the world's leading scientists on the search for extraterrestrial life published in twenty seventeen by Picador in this book was edited by the Iraqi, British physicist, Jim Khalili, and there's a chapter in this book that was written by the British Astro biologist Lewis Dardanelle where he's talking about what would aliens actually want with earth. Why would they be interested in coming here? And he's making the case that a lot of the stuff that people usually imagine 'Lions would want to come here for doesn't make any sense that they want water or they won't roll minerals or something like that. He women that's one two with all those things he points out. How you know? That's either in that's not actually a concern for anything. They would want or they could get this more abundantly. Elsewhere. And so here start Neal's case about whether aliens would wanna eat us. So the cells in our bodies are made of. Large collections of specific organic molecules. You've got proteins which are chains of amino acids. You've got the nucleic acids like DNA Aurigny, which are chains of basis and sugars, and then of course, you've got the best part the membranes and the phospholipids and so in order to keep our bodies alive and working properly we need to have steady incoming streams of those molecular building blocks, so we eat other life forms like plants and animals in order to get them. You can't survive of you sleep just by like eating sand or tree bark or salt in ammonia you need to get specific organic molecules, like sugars amino acids, and fatty acids in order to survive. It's also true that your digestive system is specifically volved to break down certain kinds of stuff like earth plant matter and earth animal flesh. And it is it has specially tailored in Zaire's for breaking down those molecules likely to be found in the stuff. Your ancestors were eating. Ng? It's also worth reminding we eat a lot of creatures and plant life on this planet. It's easy to forget that there's a whole lot of stuff. We cannot eat a lot of lot of species that are just not on the mini for us most of the mass of planet earth. You can't eat that. Yeah. There's a lot of stuff you just can't get nutrition from even if it contains raw atoms that you might want. You know that would be useful. Your body doesn't have a way to break them down. Properly. Doesn't have the right chemical enzymes and stuff to separate out the parts that you would need or put together the parts that you would need your digestive system is shaped by what was available to the creatures that you evolved from now. Fortunately, most other lifeforms on earth have these useful molecules in some nutritionally available way of other animals on earth or nourishing to us because we came from a common ancestor, and we share common biochemistry so in order to get nutrition. From eating us and the alien would need to share biochemistry and in order to do that. We would either need to share a common ancestor, and unless they're coming from somewhere else within our solar system, which seems unlikely at this point it's not likely we would share a common ancestor or we need to have the same biochemistry by coincidence. So what are the odds of sharing biochemistry by coincidence hill writes, well, that's possible for all we know perhaps our DNA based life is the only way you can make self reproducing life forms out of the chemistry. Available in the universe. Dark nail points out that quote, a whole variety of amino acids sugars and fatty molecules are actually found in certain meteorites having been produced by Astro chemistry in outer space. And so maybe extraterrestrial life would be based on the same basic building blocks as us. So the point there is that we haven't found life beyond earth. But we found a l-. A lot of the chemical building blocks of life beyond earth. And maybe our way is a common way or even the only way for the universe to put in motion and create the possibility of intelligent life. But then Dr knell points out of big complication, quote, simple organic molecules, like amino acids and sugars can exist in two different forms Meerer images of each other in the same way, your two hands or similar shapes. But can't be placed exactly on top of the other. These two versions are known as an anti Amores. And it turns out that all life on earth uses only left handed amino acids and right handed sugars, whereas non living chemistry produces even mixtures of both kinds. So yeah. Picture that what he's saying about holding your hands on top of each other. They're the same shape, but you can't put one on top of the other. You have to invert one of them in order for them to match up and. With three dimensional things that means that they're not chemically the same. Actually, you can't use one for the other and incients this this handedness of sugars and amino acids is known as Khairallah the the fact that all life on earth uses only left handed amino acids and right handed sugars that's known as homo Khairallah. The and it's a fascinating mystery to people who studied the chemistry of life. Why why not the other way around or why not both both corral are and presumably always have been available out there in the universe? So why did life on earth end up using only these kinds why only left handed amino acids and only right handed sugars, in fact, Darnell points out that Cairo society is a good way to know that traces of life. We find say on Mars are actually authentic. So imagine you've got a Rover on Mars, and it picks up amino acids somewhere on the surface of Mars, and they employed the opposite biochemical orientations. So you've got right handed amino acids, then we can know that they were genuinely alien and not simply contamination from earth life that we took along with us on the Rover by accident. And so dark nail writes quote. So here's a fascinating thought alien invaders could be based on exactly the same organic molecules amino acids sugars cetera, but they still wouldn't gain any nutrition from eating us as the origins of life on their own planet settled on the opposite in Antea. Moore's we'd be mirror images of each other on a molecular level, and of course, if this applied to us, meaning we couldn't be nutritious to them. It would also apply to our food sources it would apply to all life on earth. So they'd be like oh that earth. I can't handle any of in fact, it might even be toxic to them as looking at a paper from twenty fourteen in Pilo S one by Zhang and sun about how how bacteria are able to sort of breakdown. Right handed amino acids, and one of the things that they talk about is how right handed amino acids are toxic for life on earth. And it's actually important the back bacteria, do some breaking down of these right handed amino acids or else they would accumulate to toxic levels in the environments on the there has to be some hard scifi that explores this possibility what the Dalians come here to eat us. But then we poison them. Well, I mean just the idea that their reflections on a molecular level and therefore incompatible with us our food. Yeah. I like that idea that like they could they could in theory. Even look exactly like us. They could have bodies that are very they were just talks to each other contact and sharing organic molecules from each other would be poisonous like if it was the movie alien nation in and you had to have left handed food, restaurants and right handed food. You know, it was you know, there's certainly discrimination there. But also the fact that the each species can only eat a certain type of matter in organic matter yet will I mean, but the thing there is that if you soom their ecosystem is their planet is also from a single combination sister. Maybe it'd be that all of their planet uses the opposite Khairallah the of us meaning that it's not just like we need different food, but every bit of life in their whole world would be toxic to us all the life in our world would be toxic to them. So like in order to interact we almost need to like, you know, be be sort of sealed off in a way. Oh, well, see that's a wonderful Sifi concept there. So anyway, I thought that was an interesting possibility even if they wanted to serve man, the dinner might not go so well, I like that we were taking some of the the anxiety out of our twilight zone episodes afraid of creatures on the wing and the plane don't have to be as afraid of alien of. Civilizations coming to our planet cook and eat as well. I mean, the the downside of that thing about the incompatibility of different biochemistry as that you could have aliens that meant well, and that didn't want to eat us, but just wanted to make contact and actually be helpful wanted to serve man in the original naive since of the understanding, but just brought with them a bunch of molecules that are deadly to us man, which brings us kind of back to the Christopher Columbus sighted, doesn't it? Well, I wouldn't say that Christopher Columbus. -ment? Well, I know that's not what you were saying to. No. But just the idea that on a logical level ends up bringing death and also a cultural level as well. Yes. Like that even if Columbus had actually meant, well, yeah, he he wouldn't have been able to help bringing death along with him. All right. I feel like we're going pretty long here. But I think we have time for just one more story. Okay. And this one comes to us from tales from the crypt. It aired in the fifth seed. Season episode five this October nineteen Ninety-three I love how most of these episodes actually, aired during October someone and it was titled people who live in brass hearses. All right. So this this isn't a light because this is one of four at the SOS directed by Russell McKay. The visionary director who gave us Highlander one Highlander one and Highlander to all time under to really, yes. And most of the great music videos of the nineteen eighties. Total eclipse of the heart that was him boys. That was him. How do you say his name McKay? He it's it's I believe it's k-. It's immu L K H Y. I'm never been able to pronounce the. Yeah. But yeah, the visionary behind Highlander various other films. And I do mean that authentically. There is a visual style to his work. There's an intensity that you just you know, when you see a thing that I think I rediscovered this year upon going back to the first Highlander movie, and your insistence is that actually the first Highlander movie is almost as bad as. The second one. It's pretty bonkers. Yeah. But we'll say that for for an upcoming episode. Oh, yeah. We still got science Highlander to coming out. Yes. Before the year is up that episode will finally come to fruition. We're not joking. Yes. It's real. So this episode of tales from the crypt. It's like a lot of episodes is the wealth of just wonderful acting talent spectacular gore effects. Notable director into script that. Well depends on how you look at it. Right. I mean, it's easy to take these scripts out of context and dream about what a stronger rewrite could have done for it. But on the other hand, the material's the material and the whole premise of the show is these are retold classic horror comic shorts from the the, you know, the goals in age of horror comics, and they tend to throw some sort of a heel character through the ringer, the murderous or supernatural circumstances taking place. Yeah. It's generally there's some kind of nasty, dude. And he gets his. Up through some kind of supernatural karma. Yeah. Nasty meets nasty. And then there's a joke about it on a new hunts. It's these horror stories essentially for for for for kids, and but with completely inappropriate content. Yeah. It was the all of these stories are so inappropriate. You go even going back now. And watching these these episodes like some of them are just like so cringe-worthy, and I'm not sure that it's a fly. It's like it's kind of what you get. It's that stales from the crypt. It's it's gross. It's inappropriate. And yet there's something wonderful about it. So this particular episode definitely brings it with the cast because this one started Bill Paxton and Brad door, if that's of course, Bill Paxton for aliens, the Terminator, right? And and Brad Dorothy played Wormtongue in the Lord of the rings movie is the voice of Chuckie, then so many fabulous films over the years flew over the cuckoo's nest. Yeah. That was a another one of his big accomplishments. He was also in what wise blood. I think. Oh, yeah. He was in excess three. Yes. Yeah. He's a fabulous character. Actor so already have wonderful talent to work with here. They play brothers billion Virgil. Billy is a mean-spirited slime bag fresh out of prison performance by Paxton, the reminds me a lot of his vampire character in near dark. You know, just just a bad person and his brother is essentially Linney from Steinbeck's of mice and men. So they have that kind of relationship Billy talks Virgil into an ice cream factory highs, which goes all wrong, they're gonna steal bunch of ice cream. There's still some money from a safe, but they end up just murdering some people instead. Okay. And as a fallback plan, they go after the ice cream truck driver who originally turned Billy in for stealing from the company a man by the name of Mr. bird, and Mr. bird is played by veteran character. Actor Michael earner? Oh, the producer from Barton Fink. Yeah. He was nominated for an actor for that role. He's tremendous. And he's he's great in this to like, everybody's great in this. But here's the twist. Here's the grew tests. Tales trip twist, Mr. Berg turns out to be two men conjoined twins in the episodes. Grizzly payoff is that while the brothers succeed in killing one of the twins. They shoot him. He shot in the head with a shotgun. When he emerges through a beaded curtain. It turns out the the other one lives and he gets his vengeance. The final shot of the episode after he's killed the brothers shows the surviving Mr. bird twin sitting in his ice cream truck making his rounds with his decaying twin hunched over in the back seat. Well, and this is I didn't even touch on some of the truly bizarre elements of this episode, for instance, Billy Bill taxes character, totally does not need to have a butter. Eating addiction. Blender. He's like eating sticks of butter throughout the whole film for no reason with no pay off. Like he already had a pretty good. You know, trope character here. Bill Bill Paxton is playing a slime ball. It's wonderful. He was born for this role and Heathrow in the butter for some reason. Well, there's also a part where Virgil reading comic book, and it is predator vs. Jesse james? Which doesn't I have no problem with I love it. But it's just such a random element to throw in the original Cowboys versus aliens. It really was. Yeah. I would love to see it. Give me a Jesse James versus predator. So the science question here, though, of course, is could this happen? If one conjoined twin were to die with the other won't be able to live on in this grotesque grotesque manner. Okay. So to begin with I do have to point out again tales from the crypt is pretty far from any sort of fair or reasonable portrayal of conjoined twins or just humanity in general this show and the comics based on they tended to have a real freak show vibe concerning any sort of deform ation birth defect mutilation, or even just something as routine is identical twins. You know, everything was played for weird. Everything's played for grotesque in the stereotypes are pretty broad and grotesque to right. So you don't go to tales from the crypt to think about how to model thinking. About a medical condition. No, not at all. And yet that's kind of what we're doing in the segments. Here we go. So scientifically conjoined twins are Manos Agotic twins who were joined at some region of their bodies and the details. Depend on exactly where the conjunction is situated. So the exact cause of conjoined twins and fully understood. But major theory here is that the fertilized egg is going to split into a Manos Agotic set of twins. But it doesn't fully separate. And they remain connected. So the bird twins here are represented as Terada cadidate him conjoined twins. These are lower body conjunctions and more specifically they are pie go pages twins. Meaning they're back to back joined at the rump. So this accounts for roughly nineteen percent of also read seventeen percent of conjoined twins. But don't let that number that still means that they're extremely rare occurrences. These. Visuals. They commonly share the gluteal region terminal spine and lower gastrointestinal, urological and reproductive tracts. So surgical separation of conjoined twins in general, it ranges from simple to near impossible, depending on the conjunction in many cases. It's a highly risky surgery with potentially fatal outcomes for both patients. However successful separations of go pay is conjoined twins have occurred. And with various cases, presented in medical literature and cases of separation do tend to be presented in medical literature. Like, these these are generally, you know, the more certainly in the more complicated. Separations are exactly the kind of thing you're gonna find written up in a journal write. But a separation is not what we see. In this episode of tales from the crypt one twin is killed via shotgun blast to the head. And the other continues to live dragging around while he kills off the two brothers and then continues ice cream round. Could this happen? Oh, broadly, speaking. Yeah. And I don't think that should come to anybody surprise given that again, this is tales from the crypt. Dr Eric's crotch, a pediatric surgeon at the university of Maryland hospital for children, he actually covered the matter in the Esquire article how to separate conjoined twin on his deathbed. He was interviewed. Interview segment was used in that article did not write it. But he pointed out that once one twins heart stops, beating the blood stops pumping in the vessels dilate, then the living twin was initially bleed into the dead twin and this will happen quickly. The physical connection between the two large enough. But with smaller cases will be an infection in a matter of hours, in these cases, it's technically possible that surgical separate separation could save the living twin, but he didn't think it had ever been attempted again, in many cases separation might not even be possible. Under ideal conditions much less like an emergency. Intervention scenario. So while we may be able to accept the idea that the surviving bird, twin murders brother's killers the idea that he goes on to drive the ice cream truck around seems a bit of a stretch. Now, Robert see attached a panel from a comic. So this one was based on I guess something that was told in the comics before it was on the show. Yes. This was definitely based on a comic, this comics manage to come up with some really gross stuff. The the became only grocer when it was translated to HBO. Yeah. The comics were big about like just the visuals this real horror and the show did a great job of of portraying that. Yeah. This this panel that I found from it which which is easy to find. If you just Google search for for the title of this episode, which was also the title of the comics people who live in brass hearses, just see the the ice cream truck driver, climbing out of the back of the truck, and he just has this rotting corpse attached to the back of him with flies. Buzzing around it. It's it's horrifying grotesque insensitive. Everything you would expect from tales from the crypt rubber in your reading about the actual like the surgeries involved here and stuff. Do you get the sense that the Medical Sciences making a lot of progress in in how to help conjoined twins, especially in cases, where they do need to be separated. Yeah. I mean, it seems to be the case. But at the same time, it's like so many of these cases, they are there different. If one has its own individual challenges, rare. It's rare, and you know, when it when it does pop up. They're also going to be a lot of arguments potentially about is. This thing to do is is is this is the the morally correct medical intervention if there is such a risk to both patients because there are some heartbreaking accounts in the literature where an attempt is made to separate two conjoined twins. And they simply both died. They neither one to actually survives the surgery. Right. Well, I mean, I guess I was specifically thinking of. Cases, where it is medically necessary in order to save them or or create better health outcomes to separate them. I mean, I don't think we should just assume that all conjoined twins naturally. Wanna be separated? Yeah. They basically it comes down to just the complexity of the of the connection like if if the connection is his smaller and more simple. And then it can actually be pretty safe procedure as I understand it. But then there just other cases where it is going to be kind of like, the the Mount Everest of surgical intervention, and yet sometimes depending on the situation, it it may be something that has to be done Z. And another thing that I think might deserve a deeper look sometime in the future. Oh, yeah. Absolutely. We've only just we've only we've barely brushed the surface of twins and certainly conjoined twins. And obviously, there's a lot of lot of fascinating information out there about you know. The live that led by actual conjoined twins and not the, you know, the cartoonish examples that we see in like tail the crypt which says, sadly, it tends to be this is the kind of thing that tends to be once I introduction to conjoined twins in the same way that unless you have identical twins in your classroom growing up in. If you're not encountering him in your life. Your first example who two identical twins likely going to be some sort of weird harsh. Oh example when you're five and you wash dead ringers, well hope not, but certainly watch the Simpsons ride the treehouse of horror where evil towards twin was separated from him and his living in the attic. I wonder I mean is the belief in evil twins actually fairly common thing? Or does everybody understand this not real? I hope everyone understands that. I mean, I have friends with twins. And I've talked to them a little bit about just you know, to the point where they just want to avoid any like creepy twin content. I don't don't blame them. But I basically think comes down more to the to us on twinned individuals where we see this. We see two identical individuals, and we think of all the potential self exploration. Like what if I were to people? What would that mean? Right. What if one represented my best qualities and one my my, you know, my my my my darker qualities. And of course, meanwhile, these twins are two separate people are just trying to live their lives, and we're staring at them trying to gaze down our naval or write a grotesque car story. Yeah. The looker the the person who looks at another is the real monster. You know, because they always wanna make monsters out of people who are just people. Yeah. All right. So there you have it anthology of horror volume one because if everyone like this, maybe we'll do it again next year. Maybe this'll be our new Halloween thing in if it is what would you like us to cover guess, this means before then I'm gonna have to go back. Watch some some horror anthology series. I I am under exposed this point. I had a hard enough time picking just the ones to did today though. I guess I'd never run out of treehouse of horror episodes to pick create yet. She house tends to be a nice overview of great anthropology works in places other times, of course, their parenting facially link films. I think twilight zone and outer limits black mirror. These are great places to look to tales from the crypt little bit harder. I ran into a lot of dead ends and bad puns before. I I decided to to to talk about this one. It is a forest of dead ends and bad puns as I'm understand. All right. Well, hey, everybody out there. You have a year to catch up on Orenthal James as well and to suggest app Assode from those anthology like us to consider covering in the future. In the meantime, checkout stuff to blow your mind dot com. That is our mother ship. That's we'll find all the episodes. 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