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Ray Anderson: Arizona State University Athletic Director

The Playbook

21:59 min | 2 years ago

Ray Anderson: Arizona State University Athletic Director

"On this episode of the playbook i have arizona state university athletic director ray anderson he may have graduated from harvard law school but he has whereas in knows the importance of radical humility and how to build a collaborative culture within a hyper competitive space not only through great facilities but even more important through people in teamwork join me through all of this and more on the playbook entrepreneurs the playbook each week. I bring you some some of the greatest athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal and professional playbook to success in what made them champions on the appealed and in the boardroom. I'm your host and c._e._o. Of sports one marketing david meltzer dave meltzer c._e._o.'s sports marketing with with entrepreneurs the playbook and i have i shouldn't say an old friend but a dear friend ray anderson the athletic director of arizona arizona state university the sun devils and we're here right in the conference room ready discuss something that i'm most interested in is ray welcome to the playbook but i wanna know the playbook to become in appalachia director. Dave i tell you man <hes> <hes> i didn't invent it. That's for sure the typical route. Is you know through administration you start sometimes as intern turn you wake up through the ladder but kinda in the same department or certainly in the same <hes> flow path <hes> i wasn't that traditionalist league <hes> and so i ended up here <hes> through security of course most mostly through being an agent then being with team being at the league always spend been a lot of time on campus <hes> because we represented coaches and when you're a evaluating <hes> players you're scouting you're evaluating spent time on campus but never with the intent thought that i'd be an athletic director <hes> at all right but you know i always say to kids when they asked me how to be sports sports agent and said you had to develop the skills and gain the knowledge and have the desire because you know if you don't really want it somebody else really. Does you got that blue playing sports but you went to law school. Why did you go to law school. I went to law school because my my my father who passed away early had planned to be a lawyer as a young boy coming up <hes> through nine years old <hes> once he passed away that began came my focused i wanted to be a lawyer didn't didn't really understand what it meant but learned over time through teachers and others who who schooled me about that <hes> and so i went to law school <hes> with the thought that i'd be a lawyer you're not with the thought that i'd be sports agent <hes> or litigator <hes> or certainly not an athletic director <hes> but i went to law school because it was something something that was kind of ingrained in me as a young boy and you went to some significant schools. I was joking around the first time we interviewed years back. I said it's hard hard for me to give this interview because i've been rejected my favorite squander at stanford. I apologize to be here but they rejected me for undergrad in law school. Actually the thought had a chance for law school but then you out do yourself. <hes> going to stand for you go to harvard law school. I was fortunate <hes> and it all started really with the folks when you're in grade school and junior high and high school in my case <hes> had really taken an interest in me personally <hes> and so just weren't we're not gonna let me falter academically academically and always stressed that so <hes> fortunately i was able to get into stanford <hes> in in do well enough academically to actually apply admitted to harvard law school so i've been very lucky very fortunate. <hes> both great institutions and i'm really glad i went to both of what do you think the advantages you know. All my siblings went to harvard penn columbia. But what do you think the true advantages of graduating from harvard law school competitor like two lane it. Is it a long term effect. Or what do you think the number one advantage of going to school like harmony. Well no disrespect to to we all know the top the perception inception <hes> is that if you're able to go to school like that in graduate <hes> then <hes> people give you a significant benefit of the doubt apt to start to start with is just kind of ingrained in so <hes> you go into literally every situation with probably a competitive edge eh <hes> that is <hes> attached to graduating from a place like harvard or yale or princeton or stanford or <hes> or certainly a sister when you're there though because people have a higher expectation you've ever feel that because as as a boss i've hired kids from the ivy leagues and and i allow that same perception to happen and then i have higher expectations but yet there's still twenty four years old. I think somehow you know myron rolle. Remember meiring your favorite clients at rhodes scholar but i forgot i forgot that he's twenty one so although he's the first client i've ever had to say mr meltzer query and asked me questions that we're really deep. I still forgot that he's twenty one and i think you you know there is looking at my siblings who all went into the schools. They got great advantages the start but there's more pressure on them because people were like oh. That's the harvard kid. He's summa okay well. There are some expectations that go along with the privilege of going to a place like that <hes> and that's just part of the and you have to take take that on and so yes when i left harvard law school and i went to my firm initially <hes> law firm in atlanta georgia. I don't think there's any question that folks looked at me and said hey. That's the the harvard guy you expect a little more in terms of the quality of the work and even worse for us. You married a woman named buffy yeah so you go to stanford harvard law school where mary girl named buffy there. Your expectations are like who is this guy gets like preppy be privy to the to the hill exactly so that <hes> but no those are great opportunities to <hes> get higher education at places that <hes> very frankly people will give you <hes> like i say the benefit of the doubt they'll give you a little more <hes> leeway as a matter of fact but it also comes with expectations dictation. I'm glad i had the opportunity to deal with that. I i am as well. Now you go to law from litigator. What skills do you think you learned the most litigating that help you today as an eighty <hes> preparation <hes> in the <hes> the realization that there's just no substitute for just hard work work in preparation <hes> and so and <hes> a lawyer's role particularly litigator where discovery and research and preparation way saying advance of ever getting in front of arbitrator or panel or jury is absolutely the most important thing you do so <hes> that that translates really into everything. I did my business life but certainly here. <hes> preparation is is key. It's it's vital doing due diligence doing your research getting the appropriate rotate input getting ready and then when you make the case <hes> hopefully you're very prepare <hes> and you're more able to deal with surprises or curve balls etc etc so preparation is absolutely forms now on the administrative side like you said the traditional route is to build that administrative experience understand the culture of the institution and build your reputation within. There's a budgetary side sure that you don't really get get her back. I was litigator myself and you know the reason. I wanted to be illiterate. I didn't want to deal with those details. Afterwards right. I wanted sure other kids that do the research for me. I wanted to speak and how did you develop up those skills because budget huge businesses you for you well along the lines. You get a real appreciation for accounting and finance and law school. You take an accounting course you. You should <hes> part of what i did <hes> to advance my opportunity is at i actually studied financing at one point. I had a series twenty two. I think it was was a license from that. I got back in massachusetts underachiever by taking additional courses and financing in management and investments <hes> but the real trick is to know that you come into place <hes> and you know what you don't know <hes> which means you then look to your finance folks in your internal accountants. <hes> can you give those folks <hes> a lot of responsibility and a lot of runway <hes> to do it right. Keep you informed and then you delegate to people people with the appropriate expertise but never ever just completely delegating in saying you just do it. I'm not interested. I'm always interested in being being briefed <hes> and kept in the loop so when the final decisions are made i'm all over them but in terms of the expertise <hes> in the nuances of finances is an accounting and budget etc leave to the experts are part of my team and you do really great job including one of your latest hires right yet. You hired a friend someone that you had to work with at the n._f._l. Frank came came with ms our chief financial officer for sun devil athletics <hes> <hes> in my years at the n._f._l. Running football operations he was the finance budget leader for my unit for eight years so i certainly we went back to <hes> someone that i knew and trusted <hes> who could come in here and culturally we were seeing. He knew what my expectations were. He could come in here and and get up to speed very quickly on what goes on in a athletic <hes> budget in finance arena not very different very frankly and what goes on at the n._f._l. Pro level so you you go and get really good people around you then you delegate to them. Let them do their job and you know what you you got a chance to be in pretty good. How old were you when i look at you. I think of radical humility and it's something that i had do do my career in my thirties. When i retired tired in was an idiot and didn't humbly tell you right now. I wasn't radically humble so i wrote those two words on my nightstand and i said from today on i'm gonna wake up and pray to god for ten and people can help because that's the way that humility starts for you with all the pride agree harvard stanford in buffy all the pedigree you have you you know to understand which took me later on in life to understand that if i elevate others i elevate myself and lee had this great saying be kind to your future self and it seems to me from her to frank and others around you that you understood that much younger than i did. Where where did the humility come from mm-hmm who helped inspire you well first of all thank you for the compliment radical humility and <hes> album believer that <hes> you are at your best when when you have the best around you in terms of teammates and support group and if you have that you got a chance to be wildly successful because you're not just depending on and yourself you're depending on a team and i learned that early on in that started very frankly with my <hes> freshman high school coach guy named lloyd parks and <hes> who actually when we showed up as real cocky junior hockey to beat everybody and football baseball basketball we come into high school in our football coaches lloyd loyd parks and who is a marine who landed on iwo jima and survived that war and then ended up being coming back and being a meal military marine instruction officer so when we showed up there was lloyd parks all six two of them you know i shaved in grizzled <hes> and wiggins it was a very good example coaches paul wiggins we showed up and he made sure that across the board we understood. You're only as good as all of you. Are there are no stars it is about team and he really drove who've that in us and in me <hes> and i give coach parks and more credit than anybody in my life or driving home that you'd better be humble. <hes> and you better be appreciative of everyone around you because without them. You know what you will die. You will not be successful in that that that drove it it from then on. I was always about okay. What's my team. Look like <hes> everyone's gotta roll <hes> in success <hes> and that's kind of been my marching orders <hes> <hes> and that's why i very frankly i've had some success because it's about the team delegating not micromanaging <hes> and then giving everybody when when it is appropriate. Give everybody the risk but also give everybody the we're awards and what do you in that mary oxy. What do you instill empower to allow them to make decisions. We're not micro. Managers would values that you you know for me. I understand par people value so they can make their own decision. Based on the values is that we have as a collective. What values are the ones that you look at. When you're empowering your associates employees etc the thing we say about around here all the time david music culture is just not important culturally is everything <hes> so we <hes> <hes> we we we said in advance a culture of <hes> teamwork <hes> no selfishness <hes> think through unintended consequences for the good of the group not just for the self <hes> and then core values like you know what <hes> family really does come first <hes> and work life balance really is important <hes> and <hes> communication education and very honest genuine consistent communication is really critical to our way forward and those are really our core core values and we just tried to instill <hes> and then live those not just talking but living by example up and down our chain of command ed at one of the things i noticed different here. I'm blessed to have gone to tons of universities and blessed with friendships like yours but the one thing that stood out when i walk through this office was the one word i don't see often. I see integrity. I see commitment. I see consistency right. I see pursuit any wooden type of of of success s. triangle but very rarely do. I see straight out on the wall graduation because i like to me i went to occidental college because it's the only place to let me play football football but my mom loved it because when i was recruited by saying he goes eight and other places and they talked about their graduation rate with players and my mom went to occidental coach we'd off at at the time very winning coach league said she said well how many players graduate he said seventy percent and she said only seventy percent and he said no no. I'm sorry seventy percent go on to graduate school school. I'm sorry everyone graduates right. That's the feeling and energy expectation i get from. You and we're very proud of that because they are student. Student athletes student is first and foremost in <hes> through gene boy who runs our office of student athletics development <hes> and andrea laura alonzo jones down there. They've done a marvelous job. <hes> for years now before i came on board and in advancing the fact that graduation is first and foremost and then certainly in my time here we have stressed that time and time again that <hes> the academic pursuits here are first and foremost we want student athlete to accept that across all sports <hes> graduation is keeping because we're in the business development were in the leadership development business <hes> and if they're not graduating from here we have failed miserably so graduation and graduation rights in in <hes> a._p._r. Academic progress rates and reports for us are critically important to what we're doing so graduation is paramount otherwise we've let these young men and women down and we fail miserably and we shouldn't be right and i my favorite n._c._a. Commercial was the one that said two hundred thirty three thousand student athletes and only so many are going to be professional professional something else and you know part of that tribe and so so are you where you know that professionalism and powers and changes and has great social impact which is important to both which leads me to a question so many people you want to get involved in sports and i try to tell them. Sports is not a profession. It's an industry right so develop skills knowledge and find what you have a passion for for and it's okay to be profitable with that passion. What advice would you give someone that would like to get into college administrator letting director what skills you know. I'm not going to talk about where you go or weapon. Really what skills would you advise him to start developing at a younger age well they have to in my view be willing all in to be a utility player in don't limit your entry point. <hes> be willing literally to relocate <hes> to do whatever you're asked to do. You've got to get in the door because it's an industry where everybody wants to get in but everybody is not willing to do whatever takes in terms of developing skill set and getting started to get in <hes>. They want to narrow down their focus. I want to be an athletic director and a powerful school on the west coast. Is everybody else you know. You've got to be willing to go. Be a i hear administrator at a division three school up in delaware right. If that's what it takes so <hes> <hes> cast a wide net be willing to you essentially sacrifice <hes> some of the comforts of home if you will to get out there and really be able to demonstrate first of all your passion ashen and then your ability <hes> to think outside of the norm outside of the box is the cliche <hes> and be willing to do some different things a lot. The first time entry level folks. Maybe aren't willing to do right and when you don't your entry point it involves something called patients which the older we get the more we get the young we are. It's very difficult i. I'm going to steal that from you. I'll give you credit. That's i love. Don't limit your your point of entry entry point last question all the things things you have been able to achieve both personally with your family and here at the school in n._f._l. And even as a lawyer and agent <hes> what the legacy that you'd like to leave <hes> i you know legacy is a is a is a is a big word and sometimes the concept of it. <hes> is a little bit <hes> a shocking to me <hes> but what i would tell you that <hes> when i leave this earth i really would just like folks to think back and say you know what at guy made a difference th- that that guy made my life for some other folks lives at i'm aware of <hes> just a little bit better <hes>. He just made a difference because he cared. That's that's really what i'd like to leave <hes> in in <hes> when i when i leave from here david that they look pretty cool guy he kind of made a difference. That's all i look to do from what i've heard around. I think that's already happening so you're on the great. I love the fact that not only have you made a difference but you brought into this podcast. The one person that made a huge difference in your life was was your high school football coach. There's no question as we have the same feeling towards mine. Although you know our careers you've been these crazy appearing allow it. I say did anyone out there. That's an entrepreneur teacher mentor. You can change one life and end up you know somehow. Participating and extraordinary lives even though you may not feel what you're doing is extraordinary. It has an extraordinary impact on my <hes> coach parks and he went on a <hes> a what do they call it a reunion with his iwo jima emma colleagues who survived they went back to iwo jima. <hes> and this is years later. I still have a little <hes> sandwich sandwich bag of sand that he brought me back from the beach of iwojima. When he came back he sent me a <music> a bag of san with with a note <hes> reminding me <hes> of all the things we had <hes> done in the times we had spent talking together because he kind of took me on this kind of a surrogate son knowing my story <hes> and i still have it in my <hes> my safe deposit the box and i thought i was back home. Those little baggie of <hes> sand from you a team of from coach luis in a bag. That's awesome well. I really appreciate <music>. You're busy. All pac. Twelve oaks runs in my family but we're trying to make strides graduating kids. I think that's what's most important absolute so i appreciate our pleasure. Don't limit yourself. Be kind to your future self. I'm here with ray anderson. This is dave meltzer with entrepreneur nor the playbook by hope. You enjoyed this week's episode of the playbook as much as me on a personal note. I just wanted to thank everyone for making the playbook such a success. Don't forget get to continue it by sharing. 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Flooring manufacturer cuts carbon pollution

Climate Connections

01:30 min | 1 year ago

Flooring manufacturer cuts carbon pollution

"I'm doctor. Anthony License and this is climate connections in the nineteen seventies. When the late Ray Anderson started started carpet company called interface. He did not consider its climate impact but Aaron Meson of interface says two decades later one of the first green building. Louis projects was being built in California and we were trying to sell her flooring products into that and the customer was asking us. What is your company doing for the environment. The answer answered then was nothing but it was a turning point for Anderson and he began making climate change a priority. He challenged the business to set a course. Two zero impact right now. Almost ninety percent of interfaces energy comes from renewables it's also slash water use and landfill waste by about ninety percent most most recently the company developed carpet backing from plant oils and resin plants absorb carbon as they grow so me then says by using them as a raw material interface. Interface can make products that store more carbon than is used to produce them. She challenges other companies to follow interfaces example and make solving global warming a priority already. We need to greatly accelerate the ambitions of companies on carbon. If we can do it as a billion dollar flooring manufacturer anyone can do it Climate connections is produced by the Yale Center for Mental Communication. Learn more at Yale Connections Dot Org.

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Rich Brubaker of Collective Responsibility Explains Why Nothing is Good, Bad, or Otherwise at First Glance

People Helping People

42:18 min | 3 months ago

Rich Brubaker of Collective Responsibility Explains Why Nothing is Good, Bad, or Otherwise at First Glance

"Welcome to people helping people. The podcast inspired greater social. Change and give you ideas on how to take action. I'm your host atom wars. Today i am delighted to have rich brubaker on our podcast today. One of asia's most recognized authorities on sustainability innovation and responsible leadership as the managing director of collective responsibility the executive volunteer of hands on china and as an adjunct professor of sustainability and social innovation at southern methodist university. Richard has a career focused on helping develop businesses to address economic environmental and social hurdles. So without further ado let's dive right in rich. Welcome on the podcast. Hey thanks for having me great to be here. Can you start off. Can you just give us an overview of your background and what you do in sustainability. Who how long is this all right. I'll preface this by saying i've been married to my lovely wife for twelve years. And she still has no idea what i do. I've been in china. Almost for twenty years now came over here to be a standard consultant. Emina has branches in china expand. Over the course of time. I started a few charities. I started few for profit social enterprise basically addressing the urban challenges that i've been seeing blow up in this region of the world. My real history all draws back to high school in one of my teachers asking. If i'd like a day off in some extra credit. If i were to volunteer for the special olympics i put my hand and about ten years later. I started a volunteer network in shanghai. That's now about fifteen thousand strong. So i really have a career. I don't really have a focus. I don't really have a advice on how to do. Either one of those. Except to say that i just keep seeing issues i keep building platforms around it and that includes a for profit a non for profit academic and then i have my podcast last youtube channels and now you're based in shanghai based in shanghai and up until about What fifteen months ago. I would be traveling. Probably once or twice a month around the region if not around china meeting with entrepreneurs delivering projects for large brands than just generally doing research around the region and curious to hear just a little bit about what social impact you've been able to create the community in shanghai through your social enterprises. It's a good question. And i think the charity has been going now for almost seventeen years as an organization about fourteen of that and every year. We put up about thirty five to fifty thousand hours of volunteering connecting with twenty five to fifty thousand people cleaning up. Fifteen twenty thousand cagey of trash every year or the ocean. There's a lot of things happening through my mba experience. I was teaching. Mba's what is now probably a top ten business school in the world to two hundred twenty mba's on average year. We do thirty six live projects every year with brands with entrepreneurs with ngos and just speak. Imagine all stuff that came out. There are like one of the that are members. We rewired the ibm global volunteer of strategy. And even some that stuff and then my consulting practice and we work with large brands a help them but basically identify and address an issue. That's within their value chain somewhere. And so for target the major retailer. We help them with connecting families. Where the mother father or maybe both or in factories and the children are three thousand miles away going to school and living with grandma and grandpa help those ties. but i've also worked with furniture companies to help them decarbonize and dematerialize. The chemicals in their process and working with groups like adidas and nike to closed loop on their plastic waste being it literally like plastic bags in the supply chain or it could be the textiles that we wear and run around on bringing that in closing the loop and hopefully helping them cheap a better future so it's everywhere and i think that's the fun of being. Here's i have no focus. I don't really focus on measuring impact up to to look back constant look forward. Are we going the right way looking back going. Are we going the right way with the way i do it now. I always get confused. When it comes to sustainability a word that's used to describe a lot of different activities. Yeah like how do you approach sustainability or or. How would you break that down into more clear buckets here. Sure this actually means so. I actually didn't come at this. From the polar bear carbon solar panel equation like. I don't look like carbs. Gonna kill us and it's evil and we just need to save the polar bears like that wasn't my approach into although i had environmental bias from when i was young i think the way that i really define it now as we're going to have seven eight billion people in cities and for us when you move someone out of the rural environment. That could be a farm. That could be a village that could be a suburb into the core of an urban city. As i know it in asia significantly increase the size of their impact footprint be it from energy water food the drawn healthcare education. Whatever and you need cities to serve their function which is to bring people in two jobs. Provide security provide upper mobility. And you need all these things to work. So when i look at sustainability i looked at the footprints of urban consumers against the scaling up of those numbers tour. Have eight billion people and what resources are required to make a city function at that time. So you need jobs. You need healthcare need education. You need clean air clean. Water needs a food. You need properties like you know you need all these things and that for me sustainability and i know it's broader than most but that's also when i look at what are the human needs that we face it all comes back down to that part now. I'm not saying that the people who live outside the city's don't count i. That's not the intention is just the systems that we are building. Scaling and see fail are being built for the city. Look the rural off grid. The village sustenance farmers like. They're not the ones who are seeing or participating this ramp up for energy demand or ramp up for food. They're living a very similar life. Witted maybe fifty years ago or leaving more than that. it's the urban lifestyle. And so i really just constantly figure out like how can you improve that delivering food more efficiently or increased healthcare quality at a reduced cost or education. Future jobs like all these issues are super important to people and that makes them super important to me when you're working with a brand like nike. What's that approach of going in there and identifying. Here's what the biggest problem is that you can solve and identifying in need that fits with their business model for the most part. If i'm in most of the brands. I'm working with including say nike adidas. Whoever working with most of them actually very clear and what their challenges are out in terms of the infrastructure in terms of the extra. now dear. what's breaking down or now that they'd be fixed something. What the next step is that. They need to work on. I think most companies globally are pretty aware of like where they got an issue. What they need to do. When i come into his trying to figure out how to get that done sometimes. Or what's the timeline. What's the strategy. But a lot of times. What i find is the the knowledge gap also extends to who is being impacted who is relevant in who has power to affect this change and then what are the catalyst for change so feeling about any of the fast fashion brands you think about in the big food brands at the role of government the role of ngo the role of media the role of citizens it all changes and then at some point at all inter-plays when something bad happens and i think a lot of brands either take a defensive strategy which is what are the regulations going to look like in. What can i do. Just stay right. Above the waterline. And then you have groups like patagonia and others. Who and i'm gonna use names that you know. I'm not going confuse it anymore. But you know you took a patagonia they said look or interface flooring like those to everyone usually knows about Like look we so far above and then what they do is over. Communicate the problems like you go to both of their websites. Interface or the patagonia. And they're telling you. Every single problem. I have and i generally work with a group like that because they know what it is in their invested in fixing those challenges now does that make them more. Or less sustainable. Does that make the stable company. Does that make them better. I'm not judging that. I'm just trying to figure what is a system that other struggling with. And what are the ways that we can make. Investments and people process product materials to make an improvement and generally. I'd say that my clients overall are growing more and more open to making deeper and deeper more valuable investments and time resources and money. Do you find that something that needs to be baked into the company's dna like patagonia where that is part of who they are or is it something that companies are like. There's a financial incentive shore but otherwise is there any common driver behind what brings people to say. Yeah i wanna be more sustainable. You can learn a lot about fire by putting your hand on the in the oven right no. I don't think you need to have people that are naturally inclined like a yvonne Who just generally look. This is my mission or you look at the interface story ray anderson. He had what he calls a spear in the moment. Where the mid ninety. She's like. holy shit i am. I'm going to go to jail people in jail and i better do something i think you can have it all. I think they can come from anybody. And general we did a piece of research recalled sustainable ambassadors and yes at the top. I think it makes it easier. If you have. An entrepreneur led or family led organization. That is smaller. That's non-public patagonia would be one of those. So you've still at the helm or he still the visionary that people rely upon whether or not he's running organization day-to-day and he can throw those ideas and people will genuinely following because he's also built a culture over years by who he hired who he trusted and then how he set up. The mission values the organization but paul polman came into unilever. Well into unilever's mystery of being. What many would say is a bad actor. And said i'm going to do something and it took many years of his tenure there before he left to rewire the organization. Rehire the talent required restructure the processes and the the suppliers and the materials and the design and the customer experience to make progress. Did he get as far as a ray anderson. Revanche hardwood difficult to say. But he made progress even though he himself wasn't a rabbit environmentalist and he was not leading an organization that started with the at the core. I think you can definitely learn over time to make those changes in short now. How does that differ to somebody who's just starting out. Who's maybe a sole entrepreneur. Who's getting off the ground. And they have maybe. They are making a social impact on some other way but part of their own. Dna is like. Hey i care about sustainability. What do they need to know in order to get the right footing. Well i i guess my question would be early. Starting what i would call mission driven organization. Are they mission driven entrepreneurs because they are. They need to have a clear focus on the problem that they want to solve. And i don't mean it. Like i want to save the polar bears or i wanna fix water okay. There are thousand threats to polar bears and there are thousand reasons. Why california's running out of water. Which one do you want to focus on. And then how well do you know it are you. Are you someone who comes from that background. Were you re someone who spent twenty years in a nonprofit focused on that issue or that topic or are you a completely fresh grad. Who's i just want to save the world or a fifteen year old and in school thing. I'm gonna give my fridays and go do something. I think it all depends upon the person because if you coming out of twenty years of this organ of this working like god it's so broken i have the answer. It's much easier to build your solution and you have a network with the stakeholders. Are you know how to pitch it. Great so you got your problem. You got your solution. Now go build the organization build a team get some funding the the next pieces the younger groups. At least broadly stereotyped us between eighteen and say twenty five. They other did or did not go to college. And they do or do not have any experience at of a year or two but they're not necessarily specialists in the field of the what they want to solve. They don't really know a whole lot. My first advice to them would be go. Get a job at a nonprofit at a for profit. Whatever academic whatever suit whatever floats your boat whatever medium you think learn the most from on that specific issue and do not stay in the office. Goby a field researcher. Go talk to people. Don't be a pitch person. Make sure you learn about everything that you can about what the problem is. Where its roots are who's involved wireless solutions. And what will it really take to solve the problem and then create your pitch. Your business plan your marketing campaign. Whatever it may be afterwards. And what i found is. That's what the most successful people do in the space. They really know the problem. And they're doing that by going out. And having those conversations and making the connections with people where they can learn the most. I think a lot of people feel like they can learn everything off the internet. And the reality is you got to go swim with the turtles to see where the plastics coming from. And you gotta go live in a tree to figure out who's trying to cut italic unique to be on the ground and you can't label everyone who's part of the problem as evil either now. There's a lot of people for areas. Reasons are participating in a system. That's fundamentally flawed and resulting in the failure that you're seeing that you're trying to address. That doesn't make them evil. It doesn't make him complicit it's an organ it's a group it's an organization is a technology that you have the opportunity to engage with and hopefully overtime flip around. You may learn that they are truly evil. That's one thing but to go into it saying they're all stupid. They're all evil. You're just gonna get nowhere you have to start with a a place of intellectual honesty. Learn things and try to respect as much as you can all the players on the field that you can find out the best ways to engage them as you're building out your solution now for a company that's established that says. Hey i want to be more sustainable. What are some of the roadblocks that they they face actually realizing that sustainability. That's question depends on what layer the organization. Because i've worked with some very large organizations that the global level and i would say the biggest challenge for them as they're near retirement and they don't want to say at their old and they don't know what to do what i'm saying. They spent forty years of their life building organization or a processor product. And you're telling them in the last five years they did all wrong and that they've got gotta go backwards. You know that's hard and you're not gonna get very far if you start confrontationally so you have to find ways to pull them in and i think the easiest way is to tell them. Oh hey government's gonna come in and they're going to tax you out of business or they're gonna pass a regulation or they're gonna kick you other backyard okay. Everyone responded that because the chief legal officer will come in and say. Hey bob we gotta do this now otherwise. There's a big fine. That's the easiest way the second easiest ways to actually show them what customers want and how the future of their company their personal legacy there. Whatever lies in helping people solve that. Need and i think most marketers most brock developers most executives. They want to meet. The market's needs what you need to do. Is help them. Understand how the market wants different things and i think if you look at big food you look at big aggie look at big energy look at all these things that the fastest growing companies in the world right now are not traditional energy. There are not traditional food. They are not traditional mobility there the new players and so they're really trying to learn the release trying to obviously and you can help them with that and along the way you help them understand that the reason why they're failing because they're inefficient their exploitative. They are doing the wrong thing. If you're listening to this podcast which Baker has a great youtube channel with hundreds of videos around sustainability answering different questions. One thing that i've heard in those videos that comes up a lot is that you have a really strong focus on process and developing good processes. Yes how does that help with the sustainability so as an entrepreneur from a couple angles. One is as an entrepreneur and my youtube channels largely me interviewing entrepreneurs just as you're interviewing me and what i find is when you as an entrepreneur started developed process around the delivery of your product service. Whatever you start to take the first jumps in your organization in the management of your organization the people involved and the development of your future gets much easier when able to nail down a bunch of big bowls of jello. And i call entrepreneurship nailing bowls of jello to the wall. Because that's what it is so you get something up there like damn it's fallen down but if you can solidify one of those things in the freezer. That's what i call process. It just keeps up there longer. You could do more with it your whole. Hr process changes. Because you're not hiring. People are all entrepreneurs and all trying to build but program managers and engineers and they're able to constantly do the same thing over and over which means they can improve on it much easier means selling. It is easier which means funding. It is easier. It just makes the whole process. Easier sustained billion general processes very important. The delivery of food needs to be a process that is consistent right. It's organic it is regenerative it is. It's not if i look at asia. Many farms are very small plots they all plant very different things. There's no scale to anything. That's not gonna work in a system where you have eight billion people you need systems and the other thing about systems that i really like and why i find to be firms do sustainability and quotes better than beat a see companies is because they invest in the back end processes the pipes the foundations the wiring four. What the caesar doing if you look at what coca cola does every year and i don't care if you think they're good bad whatever but just respect the fact that every year their customers are asking them for brand new something all the time. This issue waters important to us. It's this one biodiversity. No is this plastic so their campaigns go up and down and up and down and respond to the market. But if you're there bottle manufacturer the only thing you care about is making sure that you using the least amount of plastic possible and you're bringing as much recycling's possible and then you invest into a process of machinery people to make that happen supply chain to make that happen and that's why that's much more stable than what coke is trying to do and get not coke is good bad or otherwise but if you respect the challenges and the fact that process really helps just nail things you can forget about it you can grow office you can measure it. You can report a. That's why it's important and it just. I found for entrepreneur. If you've got fifty people all doing different things when twenty-five should be doing exact same thing. You want the ladder. Now that makes a lotta sense that if people have a clear system to follow then you can measure the effectiveness of that system and you can refine it and you can look for ways to actually improve that system because you know it and it's something that you can develop great. I think the shift and take a look at collective responsibility a bit and some of the events that you do. Can you describe a little bit about events that you use. And how they pull people into this sustainability system. Yeah sure so. When i started collective i had my charity. I was a professor at the business. School not smu Business school and i had been growing a business but been growing a platform where i was as an external consultant to some companies. And what i started to realize it was like there's these huge knowledge gaps both of them. The people i'm talking to from a client base but also within the community and this is going back about not quite ten years. Let's let's say seventy eight years. And the only thing i realized at the same time was like you. Sustainability for the global messaging that presented us is a very local topic. So what it was. I developed a series of events. Where i would actually unsustainably fraught fly from shanghai hong kong and singapore between the three every other month or every quarter and i would host Luncheons executives during the day and because i had free time university students and young professionals at night in the same city. So i was doing six events every quarter. Roughly and the reason. Why did that was. Because i wanted to help to localize the language but i also wanted to learn what are the topics that are important to people and then i wanted to bring in the leading practitioners. I don't really care about the the people who have a nice powerpoint deck from their cmo as a global low. I won't know what project are you doing. Here how's it going or the challenge is how can you inspire an equipped others. That's all i care about so you think well every two to three months had you know three times Eighteen to twenty five speakers going on. I'm building my network. I'm learning a lot. But the other thing i was doing is i'll saving a lot of money. Coffees because instead of buying forty five separate coffees in each city. I would have forty five to one hundred twenty people coming to my event and paying for it so i was accomplishing a lot. And actually that helps set up my brand of collective responsibility which we really try to be in the center of the stakeholders were not advocates. Were not just business. We are trying to find the commercial balance. And we're trying to be a platform where sicklers can come together and not just learn from each other but also engaged and so i would also say like all my vents the lasting. I want you to say is that was a nice event. Great coffee and i got a couple of business cards. I want you to walk away on monday. Know who to call about how to take another step forward and so they're very action oriented and all that did was it lead to development of communities that were much more action oriented. We closed a lot of gaps we brawl on actually the impact of that was i saw a lot of commercial deals coming out of it which was great and that commercial could be biz biz. Ngo whatever and that's what the platform was. And i've just carry that forward. I do a lot of research which i put freely available on collective responsibility and we do all these events i to attend about ten bucks. Us not because. I'm trying to make money. But because i realize if i make it free i lose half the people like olive fifty yards. Vp's shop. But if i get five bucks. I'll be at ninety five percent because people once they pay they show and that was the only reason and all that money actually goes into speakers go so accomplishes a lot for me like i get to be the community. I get to learn a lot else. Could help facilitate which i just love doing and it just constantly keeps the when. I'm designing the other thing i do is. I am building a yearlong calendar every year. And then that way i can really tie the topics together and that the very end of it i love them all up freely available on youtube as well so that way people of china or outside of asia can learn about what's happening here and who are the leading actors in this because there's huge divides happening right now so that that's how i approach it and that's my reason for doing it but when you say. Huge divides are happening. Honestly the us europe. This have no idea what's happening in asia and they have no idea what's happening in china and i'm sorry china right now is the most interesting place to be in the world when it comes to sustainability not just because the systems are failing faster than anywhere else because our scaling fascinating. What else they took. Four five hundred million people last thirty years out of poverty. It's incredible and they urbanize them and they went from a continent of local brands to national brands. They went it just the amount of buildings the amount of food supply. Everything's scaled up here. And that also means that the stakeholders here when our failures act faster than anywhere else in the world. The amount of innovation entrepreneurs the government's focus and framework. It's stunning and so there's a lot of lessons to be learned here and i think that's a big piece of it it's fantastic. You've been there for twenty years. What are some of the biggest changes that you've seen happened since you go back to two thousand fourteen and fifteen when you saw the air pollution pictures in china like we have blue skies every day like it's they have fixed just amazing number systems. We talk about plastic. Waste if you read the most western reports okay. China's biggest contributor plastics to the ocean rarely basic sixty percent of the recyclables from urban us and eu cities. And they would you know process it over here. They are very efficient with their waste. Management systems s from installing thousands of incinerators to having very active manufacturing base. That can take up all these all these materials so the quality of health care and education has really risen but just the biggest one is just the quality of life. The wealth effect that the average chinese has has experienced the last thirty years. It's stunning to see how people other whole lives of change like everything we talked about in the west but what we want to accomplish for our people. They're doing it here. And i'm not gonna say they're better or worse. I'm saying that. I agree with everything that the government has done here forgot. I'm not saying that they've got this vision and execute on it and you can see the results now will it be. Sustainable is a great question. Wasn't gonna look like in fifteen twenty fifty years. Of course we need to see that but what we see the last thirty. It's just it's just a. It's an amazing experiment in a very different part of the world with a very different applications like very different kind of approach and so far. It's it's worked. And then the next round was supposed to be southeast asia and they were really coming up and know so exciting to see these very poor areas like really seeing a growth. Then the people like feeling pride in what's been accomplished and the government having the resources to then fix air water food challenges that they faced unfortunately cove it sucked a bunch of 'em back down the black hole so we'll see him might take another ten or twenty years for their recover oil against there's these crises there's an amazing opportunity to build a going back to the first question. What's the advice you give. there are. No there's no lack of problems in the world. I don't care where you are. I don't care if you're if you're in the us if you're in the eu if you're in asia there are problems everywhere to be solved of social economic environment. I just see them skilling up faster but honestly last fifteen years of the us. Obviously we've seen other issues. It can be gun violence. It could be the urban environment. the urban decay. It could be the imbalance of wealth. There's thousands of challenges. The key that i've been finding as cova gis exacerbated allow these things it exposed which governments had a few more tools at the bank but also expose the need for individuals to stop complaining and to do something and i think that's what i'm seeing a lot more people interested in the work that we're doing social entrepreneurs. They don't want to be necessarily nonprofit social entrepreneurs seeing more people interested in four prophets social entrepreneurship. Which is fine for me. I don't really care how what structure you want. But i think it's going to be a very exciting. Unfortunately we have to go through this to get through these exciting moments where people are like no our job. Our mission in life is to solve a problem and develop business around that and no matter where you on the world. I think now's a great opportunity for that. All of that. And i think something about the. There's a certain resistance to change right so if you're comfortable in your life is working. It's very easy for you to overlook issues or problems that you might otherwise fix doesn't when you're hit with a pandemic and it totally messes with you then it's a really great chance to step back and say all right. What can i fix about the situation. What can i change already in the midst of that. Change or naturally very adaptive as you know a species. Yeah i think so. And i think if you look at like the last ten fifteen years in the states and in europe. There's been a lot of conversation about problems and i can't believe no one's fixed us and covert said no. Now's the time to do it even if you don't have the resources right now but a lot of people reset their mind and said look. I'm going to do something. I've got limited time. They finally figured that out. And i'm going to focus on the stuff. And i think if i were to like just grossly stereotype. The difference between what i've seen in china and what i've seen other places is that the chinese had that forty years ago with the worst parts of the revolution and the great leap forward. They still remember poverty. They still remember hunger. They still remember all those things. And so the us and eu broadly stereotypically speaking haven't experienced that for a long time. So maybe this will catalyze people think a little bit more about solving real problems. I think that's part of it. One of the other things that you do. Is you run hackathon. so young. New blood in the sense to understand entrepreneurship in impact Tell me a little bit about what these hackathon look like. What you've seen. Come out of that on my a blast. So i don't run the hackathon where a bunch of people go in. That are come out with a t shirt and like no actionable ideas. We structure our very differently. We'll spend probably three to four months in planning. And then the hackers themselves generally come from masters programs at chinese or asian universities who are on the ground asia and i ran on the states right before covert and minneapolis. We will do a ton of prep work research. We provide the hackers upfront and the hackers on a business problem is faced. And that could be if you look at my website. You'll see these for target. We've done them for exxon who down for pharmaceutical which a lot of people would know as for the headache medicine we were. We were with jaguar. Land rover nice cars and basically they will come to us and say look. We have this challenge this specific challenge. You work on this thing. We want engage. These teams of students on it and colour was a great example. They wanted to develop a new bathtub for the elderly. Now all these things are they're cumbersome they're ugly on colour likes a nice product like they they for the upper middle class kind of target obviously a little bit higher at times a little bit lower at times but they want for a lot of their customers. They want to go into a bathroom and look at something. That doesn't look like a hospital setup where you to a chair jammed into the bathtub and they engaged. A bunch of students had eight teams of six seven and they did a technical briefing. They did design briefing. We had just idea designers it was phenomenal. And they produce a product that is on the market. It has a swing door which is quite standard but then the push down the base in the back and a seat comes up and then it goes back down. It's just phenomenal idea. And a lot hazardous trying to solve things like that. Jaguar land rover was the future mobility. Will people buy cars or will he be members what will be and then how does it change everything about the car itself the footprint driving the parking would accessories you have the just all linked back to sustainability and what comes out of this is one you get between six and eight ideas on that are not all of good quality but i always like one is usually pretty damn phenomenal two to three needed like another week right like all together so close and the one or two like you really thought that you didn't have to work that hard dupes you missed it. But for the companies besides getting the ideas one of the biggest things that they get us they inspire the hell out of there people because we assign mentors from inside the company to work with these teams for a month and what they end up doing is hiring them for interns they start ireland for projects and you get a bunch of people who have been in the company for eight to ten years. And you're like man. I was so much fun. I can't wait to go to work on monday. And saul something with this company again and that's the other benefit and yeah it's just it's a very specific you know outcome focused approach. And it's amazing. I on my website. I have hackathon videos. Would you want for every one of them. And it's just we try to make sure that everyone walks away with something and the students themselves besides the ideas that came up with what they learn as they will present like in the case of colour the global head of hr jaeger orlando led of innovation and that of hr globally were there and they were just blown away you are the person who's designing jaguars and landrovers singing a bunch of students going. Well what is your idea about this. Please giving more like firing at them and these students like. Oh we got this. That's awesome for them. That's a great collaboration in bringing ideas but also teaching students that they are empowered and they actually have a lot tribute. I'd say the way that. I designed it to begin with was to make sure that the students one no matter what happened there takeaway from that event comes first. They're learning experience comes first and second was what's the quality of the ideas and the outcome. Because i get that then the third one which is my clients. Experience is number three. I want them trying this all the time internally because it's a great way to generate ideas but we came at this like if the students are in greece shooting experience the poor their hearts into it and i would say like for last. Couple hackathon hs. I would actually say you guys know. 'cause they sleep overnight like you guys know. Sleep is the devil. And i realized like half of them would not sleep because i said that and so i had to stop saying it. Because there's so they give it their all kids crying because they won in crying because they lost and it's just it's a phenomenal experience and i feel like that's where we started so going back to square one like what's the problem trying to solve. I'm trying to make sure students see the companies view this as important and invest in them. So they can up their best ideas so they inspire the company's these old people that don't have to be inspired and change their business habits. And i think if you get that hack a great little medium for change. So what's coming up for a collective responsibility over the next few months few years more while asian much. I and i apologize the listeners. Who enlisted me. Just jap away doesn't really like a podcast where we're going back and forth like joe. Rogan does ideally pre covid. My idea was really to build a an asia asia wide agency. I didn't want to be china. i didn't want to be global. I knew that the lessons i learned in china will be skillful to asia. And i really wanna fall path. There's nothing more fun for me. Sometimes the follow informal trash dumpster divers down the street to figure out what they're doing and to see where it's going and ask them questions. And i realized so much about these cities like that's where it's going now with cova. The reality is like we can't get back on those aluminum tubes so easily. So it's very difficult for me to build an asia business. And i had an office. I was supposed to open in bangkok about a year and two months ago. And that got kerfluffle. So what my focus now is just trying to figure out. How do i create effective bridges. Were part of my business has to be virtual now and part has to be physical and for some like my stuff when i was working with universities bringing their students to china showing them for two weeks about social innovation or sustainability or whatever now or developing a virtual platform where universities can click in. Get the content. Just virtually but then we're taking three sixty cameras through solar factory and we're going to show them like how a solar panels made all all the noise and all and then the ceo will give his give the tour just like they would but it's just a little bit different but we're starting to learn how to manage the process a little bit different so you overcome some of these things and then. I think we'll be interesting as as we're recovering from covid like just the oath i'm looking at doing is just figuring out ways to hold more events and felt more research in a way that could be more widely consumed honestly if anyone has followed us for this long in this conversation. They're likely to go and check out. You know my youtube channel and that's another. There's a thirty to forty five minutes of just conversation. Which isn't necessarily what gen jesse's looking for. But what i find is if you can get through those conversations you're gonna be more inclined to really want to do something. And that's what i really want is. I want to constantly find platforms. That were the information we consumed. Work inspired people where they can figure out like this is a hammer is a screwdriver. There's a drill. I'm going to go and do what i can. And okay then. I'll work out how to you. Know level up my tools from there. So if people going in. Search for richard brubaker. And youtube the information. There is very informative which is nice. There's a lot of answers in a lot of different dimensions into what's possible. It's not the most. I'm not casey nice that must for sure. But i'm i'm definitely trying to provide if you really wanna start something whether you're company or whatever like you're gonna get real information through these because it's through the other entrepreneurs through me it just through the other entrepreneurs one after another and all of these people only to and all those. Hundreds out of interviewed have failed have closed up shop and gone done. Something else worn on. He's gone from five people to six hundred and last five years of him. It's our audible. What some of these people are doing. And the a but you gotta sit there and listen to them for twenty minutes talk about the process and learn through that it's fantastic. How do people find out about collective responsibility. Where do they go. How do they get involved. Co-responsibility responsibility dot com. Or just google my name and i think all this stuff's gonna come up one form or another. I think the youtube channel just for entrepreneurs but co-responsibility is all about what brands are doing. What issues or face in china. I do some videos over there as well. He's do one called asked the collective and i have a sustainable ambassador series over there. The head of sustainability for target and the head of from the ceo of buyer which is now monsanto which we be like while that's controversial but my interview these people because they have a lot of lessons and they reflect and they're trying to learn as well and the just between those or just google my name and go down the rabbit hole. The internet just like we used to rich. Thank you so much for joining me on the podcast today. I felt like we covered a lot. Just around what sustainability is how to think about it. What are different ways. People get involved. Even some of the common roadblocks people face when trying to implement sustainability in their own companies. So thank you for all of that numb pleasure. Thank you very much for the time and look forward to keeping this conversation going. I think my other big takeaway is that. There's just so much great stuff going on in china that there's just a wealth of knowledge there and experience that we can all learn from. Actually i will say look. I need to also make sure globally when i got stuck in the states. I put together a list of one hundred entrepreneurs that i wanna meet when other states. I nearly bought an rv and went on the road because there are so many people to be inspired by. And i'm from saint louis originally so not too far from you and the urban wealth. Gaffe that the racial disparity friction. There's amazing entrepreneurs share on the job trying to figure out. How do i take this community forward through entrepreneurship and then the people looking at urging of agriculture over the states and all over europe. There's just so many things happening. I've got five hundred entrepreneurs for us. In europe's i. I wanna meet some day so if you're listening this don't think i'm just all about china and don't think the only here it's global now people. Thanks again thanks so much now thank you and if you're listening thank you so much for tuning in dagestan. Engaged people thanks.

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Biomimicry + Space

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Biomimicry + Space

"Welcome to the show. Everybody i wanna apologize for my casts audio on on this one. I was hearing some things. I've my ran a task. I listened to a little test sample. it sounded fine. And then whatever happened when we recorded It it's just not up to the The standard like to be. It's still. it's a great episode. in fact. I've been talking about this episode to a bunch of different friends. I was i was just hanging out with With a couple of friends just Last night like a week. After i recorded this or so and was Sharon some fun bio mimicry. facts Super interesting subject matter fantastic guests. It's so unfortunate. You know doing these things remotely you guys. You guys know the deal. But i know that i'm not just I'm constantly making improvements so just to give you an idea of where where i'm at one year. Patriots support helps a lot This is a small show. I don't have celebrity guests on and stuff you know. The world isn't as into science as you. Listeners are The shows never going to be like the top Science podcasts. at this. Or that you know. I go through academia getting all these random guests and we get to hear about so many different cool areas of research from the people that actually do it and just normal folks with academic jobs doing great science and So your support makes a huge difference. Have a very very very small budget. You can see it on patron it's public and so your contribution matters a lot because so the main big plan and i'll tell you kind of some of the stopgaps To hopefully improve things Between now and then is. I have a few different things a few different like bigger projects that i'm sorting out and since since the summer's rolled around and people started getting vaccinated and everything and kind of plotting out my next move and various other projects that hopefully. I'll get to tell you about some time soon. When a little more is known But i kind of don't have a clear Picture of where. I'm going to be in the fall or winter just yet but wherever i land up. I'm kind of trying to tour or less than i was before covert. I was in three cities a week. And so i go into guests. I'd have my audio equipment It wasn't video you know Inside bring my audio equipment everywhere and set it up Adding video is another level of complication. So my goal is in sorting out. Where i wanna live with someone who's going to be dependent on Of these big projects comes through or if if there's development on on a few of those fronts but I think the plan would be to get a studio somewhere In you know build a studio somewhere in a place That has a lot of scientists round a lot scientists that come through And so i'm kind of thinking about different cities Where that would make the most sense. Plus the other things that i'm working on and i'd have guessed. Join me in the studio. So we don't run into some of the production quality issues. That are just frankly. 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Something that's like over my head or isn't it my usual wheelhouse and i think this show considering all the variables of it and say a pretty. It's been pretty intimidating project for seven years actually every time i do one of these But i i think. I think the shows especially since kobe. Ben content wise Pretty darned consistent. And i feel like i've i've learned something more a host doing things remotely and everything to so pros and cons to everything and part of the remote stuff has has there's been a lot of advantages to it and i've learned a lot and it's been super cool and we have video now and i can better get like authors on and stuff because i don't need time it out for when i happened to be in their city and i happen to have an extra day and it's a day that they happen to have open. Doing the remote thing makes a lot of stuff a lot. Easier so thinking about ways that i can continue to improve this. So there's a long winded little thing of what's going on but you know this is Ad free supported by patriotic. And even these intros and altro. I try to limit to as you've if you're a regular listener. We often just play the episode just because I don't like when i'm listening to a podcast and i have to hear a bunch of stuff marketed to me and everything else. So i try to limit that as much as i can. So if you support that in this show Consider checking out patriot. You guys are awesome. Enjoyed today's episode arleen. Yes we are we here. Why are we here. Not entirely clear misfits by Sharing with no less as opposed off we a lower body and welcome to the here. We are podcast. I'm very excited for this show today. I'm you guys may not know this about me but one of the reasons why i have this podcast. I had an interest in science for much of my adult life. But i had a period of time when i started just obsessively watching The animal planet and watching tons of documentaries and david attenborough and that sort of stuff and it just got me thinking so much about life and exploring science even more than i already was an obsessing over all these different ideas and And so it's pretty cool that i'm actually getting to talk to someone that was on an animal planet. Show co host of the show little giants which i just started watching and i recommend you guys. Check it out as well and maybe one of the cooler titles. We've had a lot of people on the show. Your billiards three hundred. Some were nearing four hundred episodes here. And you're the first astro bio futurist on the show. Billy gilman has joining me today. Billy how you doing good chain. what's going on. Oh not much man. i'm. I'm very excited to talk to you because one while our love for you to tell people a little bit about your background anyway. You recommended me by by. I think a couple different pass guests. And then i started following on instagram. Got into your stuff. I love what you're doing. And i wanna know what is Astro bio futurist. If that requires maybe setting up a little bit of how you got into it in your background. I thought it'd be great. Yeah yeah thank you For ethnic questions sto- as an astro bio futurists. I essentially Look at how can we imagine Different portions or different elements of the human condition of human experiences. How can we re imagine them for people who will ultimately be traveling to the moon to mars Eventually further out into in out into the galaxy and also how can use what we develop and create in order to do that for people amongst the stars. How can we use and leverage a lot of that technology creativity thinking to re imagine a lot of human experiences here on good old planet. Earth and a lot of that worker me is rooted in my background as inexperienced designer in storyteller creating immersive experiences for companies create places of magic happiness And also my background as a practitioner of bio mimicry. Which is this Approach to innovation where you're studying organisms in nature in order to mimic and imitate their sustainable natural strategies of problem solving so it's combining those two things to not only look at. How can we imagine certain experiences for people space but also How can we improve here on earth. I'll man one of i want to talk about i. I i mean. I started looking at your work and i was kind of shocked and disappointed with myself that we've never had an episode talking about bio mimicry. For it's just one of the coolest subjects i saw. You know much of this show. We talk Quite a bit about like evolutionary biology and psychology. I a lot of human mind but also how it relates to what we can learn from you know evolutionary processes in wildlife and do a fair amount of not enough episodes about wildlife but a fair amount and i was like how in the world have. I missed vile mimicry. What a blind spot. So could you. Could you tell people a little bit. About what biomed. But what bio mimicry. Yes and by the way can can i at least am i at least Able to say when you're talking designing experiences and you're talking about things like amusement parks and stuff like that sometimes Integrating some of your work into improving Entertainment experiences like that by using things from with the nature. Yes exactly okay. So first of all. I am so honored to be the disciple that brings forth the good news of audience. So thing that is so important so important And yeah so when i'm referring to my my Background as inexperienced zainur. It is You know spent over a decade working for a assertive company. That has you know theme parks and cruise ships and Hotels resorts in california and florida. So i use that experience of how do you craft. How do you craft a place a moment in time that will imprint memories on you and your family and leave you feeling better than you came in so i use that lens of storytelling and creativity in the work that i do as as an astrobiologist interest as it pertains to bio mimicry bio mimicry. Is this great amazing. process And approach to problem solving where Something that has been done in practice by human since time immemorial really where we are looking at nature. Were studying how you know. different organisms. Go about solving problems for life at their scale. And then we essentially isolate or identify strategy that they're using and we replicate it to address problems at the human scale so one of the examples that i always use win referring to bio mimicry is the example of velcro The swiss inventor who came up with the idea velcro. He would always take his dog for walks through the forest. And come home to realize. There's these little Spiritual bursts that were always caught in his dogs for every time they came back from these these four walks and a europol around him. Okay so perfect. So you might. You might not need the story One day he took one of those birth scenes under a microscope. Any notice that they were all of these little curly q. Little hooks that were coming off of the main seed of spear and he realized that this is actually a really cool and dope way to attach things to each other and that was the biological function of that a little curlicue little hook. It was too attached to animals. That would be traveling through the forest. So that the seeds could be the Latch onto the for and then be carried off off to other places where they can essentially propagate in grow into other manson and trees and so forth So he came back with he. He took that idea and from that he created what we all use as. Velcro this method of attaching things to each other in a simple way That's an example of what by mimicry is and it can be applied and has been applied to so many different ways and there's a lot of cool examples of Of how has already impacted or informed. Space exploration in how is a lot of people turning to nature for thinking of how we will explore planets. It just makes me upset that. We don't wear velcro as adults like as i think about it and by the way you can tell that the birds came from that. Because if you if you live around i remember as a child they would always attach right to the velcro making an which would kind of render the velcro useless ironically enough if you get enough for those sanders on there. But what are we doing with laces billy. What like oh. I'm an adult. Look what i can do. I can tie knots. It's like a ties like oh cool you can do a double winch but why would you. Why why are you. Why are we putting this thing. It's over rated complete drawback also issues. Most of my shoes at this point even as an adult. I don't think. I have a lot of shoes with laces. Actually prefer you like straps in velcro like it's just easier. It's disease how much time. I had been over home in absorb back. 'cause i had a time shoot like doesn't seem right untied to and then make fun of me for them being a like. I gotta stop playing whatever sport to tie my shoes like double nodded and a whole. It's all about the pursuit of happiness. Aligns shoes is is is is not part of the constitution can i. I'll share by my early experience with learning about bio mimicry. In because i. I'd really like to dig and i mean i always. I always love to take the conversation in whatever direction. My guess like but I i hope we can talk about bio mimicry. And i wanna i wanna make sure and touch on your show as well more than touch on your show plug the heck out of your show but To are you familiar with Ray anderson i am familiar with ramp. I have yes. So i don't i don't know how in the world i came across this but this is like over a decade ago. I just happened to pick up this audio book by this guy. Ray i think maybe i saw a tedtalk by or something like that. He's he's unfortunately passed away a few years ago or something but he was I think i was living in texas at the time. And i'm from wisconsin. I was interested in communicating science in rural areas and areas. That were maybe not the most enthusiastic about hearing about science always is working a lot of comedy clubs at the time and and it was kind of sometimes hard to convey some of the ideas and and i thought here's this guy with the southern twang and is very likeable and everything and he is this carpet manufacturer that just in the last couple of decades of his life just started seeing the writing on the wall with climate change. Engine thought How do we. How do i be make a business. That's more sustainable. And he started looking into bio mimicry. I don't like. I said i read this book. Like twelve or listen to this book like twelve years ago or something. But i remember hearing the taking things like looking at the jungle or forest floor. And and seeing that it's ike will not. Everything's uniform on the floor here. Why are carpets so uniform and developing this kind of recyclable. Patchwork system of carpet. So you know hotel gets this. This patch this beautiful patchwork of all these different colors and designs and then when there's a big stain on some peace pull off this one particular piece like pulling a leaf off of the ground or something like that and and replacing it with a with a similar sized portion rather than having to redo everything every Every five ten years or whatever and these high traffic areas and it was just a lot of ideas like that and it just really captured. I my imagination. And and i've always been into like i said watching animal planet type stuff and And and like you said this is what humans have been doing since the dawn of time whether we're aware of it or not as has been taking insights from nature and adapting them into technologies that we use. Yeah in you know what's cool is i mean he. He also said up will there. There was set up kind of in his honor. This award for people who are looking to apply by to other types of businesses. Call the ray of hope prize. And it's like It's like a hundred thousand dollar prize to a startups. People that are looking to use violent agree to do amazing things address com climate change in the example that you gave of the of the carpet. I mean it was. It was a huge game changer. Because one of the things about that particular example was it was also a way that reduced a lot of the The the chemicals that are used a blue you know they found a way because of how you know i think they're looking at how leaves fall on forest and how detritus kind of forms in this forest floor and so in the interlocking system that they created it. I believe know it's this example but You know the the carpet themselves. The carpet the way the carpet works is it also leverages friction as a way to keep down without using a lot of toxic glues and a lot of chemicals as he saves so that in and of itself was a huge huge thing Having like jigsaw uses locking together instead sort of yeah Yeah yeah the. I remember kind of the i think the name of the book was confessions. Of radical industrialist or something that i read but Pretty grandiose title but it was it was it was impactful on me and it was It because it will also. He ended up doubling his profit margins by by doing all these things that most companies look at me like they're trying to regulate us and it's going to ruin the economy and this is this huge investment in and this and that and he was able to show that integrating these processes were was a way to save money and to make things more efficient to make things actually more profitable which helped the planet which helped the business owners. Which kind of help it was. Just a win win win there for everyone involved awesome and there has to be. There has to be a lot of stuff like that all right bill. Like like some some of these innovations where we go like well. We can't rely on fossil fuel or something like that. So i guess we have to make this accommodation in some compromise. And we'll have to put this extra effort into doing things. But some of the some of the things that we're learning from nature are untapped deficiencies. That actually make us more productive than you are than we were with. Oh yeah that's i mean that's that's one of the. The real appeals of violin degree. Right for the people who aren't just like we should be doing this because it's closer to nature works which means it's inherently more sustainable variety were like. Show me the numbers of why. I should be doing this. Which there's plenty of people who think that it's the fact that nature isn't here elite efficient by nature. Yeah like three point. Five billion years of research and development. Exactly okay casey you. You know it's up that's one of the tag is there. The natural world has been in this process of tests than adjust for a very very very very long time and we are just now tapping into that so the things that nature has already figured out. Don't work you know they. They do translate to you. Know efficiencies and economies of scale on all of these things There's another example People might be familiar with. Is the the tokyo maglev train. That was designed to mimic the form of a kingfisher bird. There was an engineer. Who was also an ornithologist who was tasked with making this The subway his primary task was every time the train would go through a tunnel. It would create a sonic boom and the neighbors who lived in that in that area. They would always complain. Train driving us nuts right so he wasn't a real estate agents would complain about that too. I don't mind you know. There's there's there's a few sonic booms throughout the day. An matt views on user killer. That's really paying for so so he was tasked with coming up with a way to reduce you know get rid of the sonic boom and he was a bird watcher so one day he was you know he was watching. These birds he saw kingfisher that swooped into the water and because of the way that it's all in its beak works. It creates very minimal to nonexistent splashing when it goes in the water fish And he resigned. This maglev train to to kind of have that aerodynamic foreign that it has not only did it get rid of the sonic boom but it increased the efficiency of the of fuel of it increases power efficiency by thirty percent law so there are forms in nature. There are patterns there are textures. You're all kinds of different mechanisms. That are at play nature to help all of these living beings around this be efficient as possible right like just to give a gross example You know the reason why birds poop while they're flying is because it alleviates the weight they carry while they're flying which reduces the amount of energy that they have to expense state in the ear. Yeah it's it's part of a stress system to in a lot of mammals when they're about to buy something. Release all that your car go and run like held. That's even our even our fight flight or or freeze response has the same thing. Your bladder loosens idea. So you can like no get your little hussein bolt on nation right exactly so you know. All of these inherent efficiencies are what we are beginning to tap into as more and more people into practice bio mimicry. I mean i think this is one of the amazing things of end. The one of the big downsides of that people are unaware of of some of the kind of climate denial or just science than Denial generally is. That is that it might not be nice to think about problems. But knowing and recognizing problems can sometimes create opportunities that train example is a perfect example of. What if they would've never had to do this. Pain in the butt task of of like okay. You bunch of weiner's will get rid of this. Sonic boom carrying your dogs and children every every twenty minutes or so. What if they have ever had to address that they would have never found something. That's thirty percent more efficient. Which makes the which makes the cost of getting on that train. More reasonably priced at makes the the profit margins higher it may it makes the amount of fuel and energy used to push that that train lasts just again. It's i mean it's easy to cherry. Pick these survivorship things and be like. Why can't everything be like this. And there's reasons used that one great example like that who is well. It's not always that easy but identifying problems can come with a lot of opportunities and and we've seen that a lot with bio mimicry What what are you what are you. Could you talk a little bit about. I heard you mention you say economies of scale was that the term that i heard you use. Could you define that so so loose. Definition not you know. Economic economist definition but Just in terms of when you have something that is efficient when you when you produce multiple numbers of that the cost of producing it starts to go down right. So the more that i have of this one machined modular thing if i produce more of it. The cost of each individual unit begins to be crease overtime. So as i scaled up. I'm i'm the cost of it becomes more and more economic the more i produce And so so the example that is not a one to one example. But the the one thing that comes to mind when i think of that is the shape of honeycomb right. The shape of a honeycomb. Hexagon is I wanna say it's the most efficient form That mathematicians have identified right And there's been a lot of speculation on how bees actually created this is. It is the form that they actually create. Or is it a form that eventually forms over time as wax starts to melt in place and things begin to solidify Dooby start with circles that they make their hives out of and especially form into heck's hexagonal patterns over time but you know the hexagon is a is a shape that you see in a lot of designs Not only because it's efficient but because of its flexibility in its ability to kind of Be able to fit into any particular location. So there's this idea that You know there's these these things that we refer to as deep patterns in nature and one of those deep patterns is things being modular and being able to be no package repackage like you know a cell in a lot of ways is is a modular system replicates but it's still necessarily the same So another example is a lot of people are excited about. Potential of additive manufacturing. Three d. printing. That's something you can find a nature right like paper wasps who essentially It actually there's a lot of different creatures who you know additives. Create their dwellings in their homes. So i don't have a specific example of that translation into economies of scale But the examples in nature are prevalent. What paper off to feel so paper wasp. They essentially ingest something in their saliva. When they're building their their shelters. Say it's it's very much like you know if you've ever seen a three printer you know take the take the filament. And then just like layer by layer Produce something paper wasp and a lot of organisms. Create a hive The same way they essentially you know. Do it like like that if if if right you know the other example for me that i love around. Additive manufacturing in nature is actually spiders spiders in their in their body. They actually have these four chambers that have Four different kind of chemical Combinations are components within them and then they actually mix those chambers together to create different types of of webbing composites depending on what the spider needs to use that web for so somebody sticky some might be thin and strong But it's the same kind of process of taking these chambers annexing this chemical Construction to create and produce something that will be used to manufacture a web. So it's just i mean is everywhere like we're not doing anything new. I mean why. Why aren't we seeing that in the spiderman movies that's underutilized. he's always just swinging chroma thing or maybe shoot maybe a thing and it clogs up a gun. That's about ali. He's not building a home he he's not he could be making his own his own suit. He has someone else make his suit. He could make he could his own suit outta. If you're a real spiderman. I feel like you make your own suit out of your of the thing. I mean that's he. He's really not not utilizing spiderman could could take a look at spiders and maybe learn a few things. I'll i'll see him a little bit of slack on that. Because i feel like you know the one thing with web is at at some point you know it begins to break down so the last thing you want is to be in your spiderweb suit Swinging through the air. And that's the only thing you have on and then it just starts to decompose as you're trying to like you know attached to the empire state building rise in new york city right. So they're going to see more than your face near heart right. i mean. let's not cut spiderman too much. But you know. I'll give it to give share. So so what about what about. Because i think this will start from you. Know talking about global things in and integrate in with the with astro by off Future azam and and integrating things into space. But could you talk a little bit about I'd like to talk about circular economy's a little bit because it's another thing we we haven't talked about on the show that's related that that You know evolution at least at least in the scale at least in over this long period of time has been able to make use of every damn thing. There's not a lot of waste what what's what's waste for. One thing we you know. The classic example of of waste is Is going to the bathroom. Well if you're if you're done beetle or all sorts of insects or whatever you're you're gonna make use that that becomes fertilizer that turns into a tree. There's we We had an episode recently A called the barr body farm episode and The university kentucky. Where they they show what happens to a decomposing body and what happens to the ecosystem and how much the ecosystem us so you think about. Oh that life has gone. What a waste and that does it. You know it no longer exists. That does that actually creates all this new life all all around in this ecosystem and then You know modern humans come around and and a we have starts with The industrial revolution then or the agricultural revolution in then moves into industrial revolution. In makes a lot of sense it a lot of species no species out there is setting i well i better pick up after myself or whatever. It's just that other things make use of their ways over time. There's this and there's a symbiotic relationship in this happens over long long long long periods of time and thousands of years millions of years. And it's just that the waste that humans are making is happening really quickly at. It's an. it's a dramatic change. So could we talk a little bit about like maybe that in a little bit of what could be learned from nature and how nature is waste. Yes when he when you brought it up okay. So this recording. The milwaukee bucks just won the world championship The national basketball World chatted and that means that right now they are shipping containers full of t shirts that say phoenix suns the phoenix from the united states to some island country right now and being right like meat. We export our trash here in the united states right. Meanwhile they're living in this bizarro reality over there like they think. The phoenix suns are the best basketball team out there and so my mind. That's exactly where we talk about. Economy talk about ways. That's the first thing that goes to. My mind is like that fresh shipment of shirts. You know that someone you know could be export our trash to other nations and so for me. I think personally. I think that we need the a manhattan era hatton project equivalent initiative for for trash like we. Because it's a report the other day that showed that micro-plastics are showing up on the backs of b.'s. like so you know if you've ever seen a be flying around and you've got to see like macro shot you see like all the pollen attached to that to be right. Imagine that being pieces of Straws or works. Or what have you. That's attached to these beats right. We've got wales in all kinds of ocean marine life that's shown with stomachs full of trash in the ocean. You know they've discovered that at the very bottom of the ocean at at the deepest depths. We can go there finding trash. At the bottom of the ocean there have been more. People have explored space than have ever been to the deepest parts of the ocean. And yet our trashes there right so um when you talk about the circle economy for me. The biggest thing is we need more. Not only do we need more. But we also need to accelerate for the companies that already exist that serve the role of or in an ecosystem. So you brought up You know dumb beatles worms all these things that tate exists and breaks it down and translated the thing that the thing that is often under appreciated about decomposes in ecosystems is that are also producers. They don't just break stuff now. They turned it in to nutrients for other organisms to capitalize on. And so we need in my opinion more companies that are focused on shirley digesting the waste that's produced and converting it into something else. And you know. I think when you have more companies that are doing that. I think there's also a life cycle that that in order for us to get rid of all the trash. My personal theory is that we need companies that only live for a certain amount of time to accomplish the goal of decomposing. Something and in that company goes away. Because i think that the livelihood you know the way that companies are structured now to live forever at all costs I think it's it's inherently problematic to the system of circularity that we're trying to to create a decomposing company decomposes itself in the end self-destructing decomposing company. You know i was just a few weeks ago Visiting an old high school buddy here in my hometown and he was talking about. He's he's a fisherman and he is talking about how you know he the you can't you can't eat fish that are of a certain size because it means that they've been around long enough that they have x. amount of of mercury the longer fishes been alive the more mercury has in it and that is such a bizarre World we now live in a imagine. Imagine our ancestors even You know a few hundred years ago being like oh. Don't eat that fish that wants to big that you know it's it's incredible the predicament that we find ourselves in and and the i it. There's there's something to that that we've we've built this not just an economy but a we've built status in praise on this idea of of building an innovations in terms of a. I mean some people might deny science or whatever but everyone wants their new iphone or whatever else. That's that's nothing you have a job at silicon valley. You you made some new app. You created this thing. That's a sexy job. You you got a bunch of money. You're now driving around the hustler. Whatever you tell people that your professional decompose earlier you know it doesn't it doesn't have the same rang ear your You know dinner parties and stuff and and there there needs to be some sort of cultural shift in in terms of and i think there is. I think that there is already like you know. Lifestyles of the rich and famous. And sorta thing that i i grew up seeing anini. Tv is like kind of tacky. Now you know. I think people are starting to get keen. People are starting to people are starting to be into you. Know having a tiny home in a compost pile and that sort of thing. But but you have it. How how do you as 'cause you do a lot of education in public speaking on these on these topics how do you engage the public on a is it. A lot of my philosophy is Around the idea of meeting people where they are right. Not everybody's ready to to make the leap into be in vian and driving. You know a previous right. You know right but some people can become more aware of turning the lights off when they leave a room right like those things at this point we have it. We have to do everything. There's no silver bullet for sustainability. So we have to do everything to just move as many people as close as possible to the ideal fishline as possible so a lot of my you know a lot of my talks are workshops are just on either showing people where the door is Or getting them through the door and hopefully leading the curiosity that i've kind of you know Triggered take them further through the gateway. But i feel like a lot of my is just around. Let me introduce you. Let me expose you to these new ways of thinking these new things that are out there. These new career paths For students These new ways to design for. When i talked to design students It's religion to this idea and show you why it's valuable wides valuable to you into people you know And you know. I think a big part for me. I've sat in on a couple of design critiques My background is in architecture and design. So i've said on a lot of design critiques. And a lot of students. That i'm saying they have like really really creative ideas but they're still using plastic. You know i'm like where's where you're where you're you know. Sustainable materials like where were you thinking of that as as a future designer. You know if you don't you guys in school don't change don't change this model. it's gonna just keep repeating so a lot of is just in the initial. How do i get you curious. How do i get you engaged. and then how do i show you that. There's a whole other world on the other side of what i'm telling you Yeah teaching curiosity. I think that's just say any teacher could Could assign homework assignment. You know and and make this if you wanna pass this class well then you need to complete this project and and you know that can be a little bit of a stick rather than a carrot sometimes in classic education system and and As i think any any good teacher certainly the ones i've talked to is if if you can inspire people to actually want to go out and investigate other things on their own even branches of things that the teacher themselves doesn't know about i think that's that's the that's the goal that's the in and actually i just wanna add really quick to that I do this workshop on a call world building the classroom. And it's it's all about you know essentially what you just said like. There's actually a lot of carrots than that. Educators can use an employee. Get people interested in sustainability stem in general and in his workshop. You know the the premises all these worlds that we're seeing In all these movies and films their science you know that is underlying the way these worlds are created. And you have the opportunity as an educator to take the world's that your students are interested in deconstruct them to show all of the science and all of the life science that goes into you know the ecosystem around you know The place called digging of in harry potter. I systems in there right. There's relationships in there right You know how many lumens are in a patrol spell. Only science things that you can deconstruct and get your students further. Engaged that it doesn't have to be the stick all the time. Yeah yeah. I think there's there's new shows like black mirror that are you taking me taking the torch of the things star trek and stuff might have might set up. And there's there really is quite a quite a few of science concepts that you can take with their and and run with that show tends to skew more toward the paranoia aspects of of future and be a little croupier but still what's resonating with some people You know there there are there are ways of engaging. It's funny this is an aside. But as i've talked about the i've seen a lot of videos recently. A of robots. Have you seen like the robot like dogs. That are like dancing in the choreographed thing. People like oh my god. The robots are taking over like robots. I used to work in factories. Robot robotic arms autonomously. Moving this piece from this all the sudden now that the robots are dancing. Now you're concerned that the terminator's learned choreography We better get out quick. What were you gonna say is the smart robots that you need to worry about. It's not because you know. Technically a toaster could be defined as a robot right so you your robots shrink that data like you know they don't show you so those robots use these on the wrong way and they're they're done right ladies a really creepy but Yeah know the robots. I promise you the robots are going to be the thing that ends you know planet earth as well. Let's get into Let's get into astra bio future as of more talk about We we don't talk much about space on the show. Either which is strange for a science show. I know but I i We're talking about circular economy is. That's something that Places like nasa now that we have these The billionaires space contest going on circular economies are something that that e- even though wealthiest people in the entire world are going to have to be thinking about in terms of in terms of design. Because this is a you i was. I don't know how old i'm forty one. Billy i don't. I don't obligate my guests to share but when i was growing up The the carrot of you could be an astronaut. One day was the was the big driving force through much of grade school to like. This is why you should pay attention to Christopher columbus classes because he could be an astronaut or something around there. There's always very confusing to me. But but but there there is this this idea you get space well space but i imagine the reality a space like you know. What's the bathroom situation. There's always what i wanna know. There's like erectile issues that happen in space that they don't tell you about year the year year choice of cuisine and his is probably fairly limited up there and you talk about. Circular economy is like he. You wanna make you wanna make a space station. Sustainable you know. We already talked about fertilizer. And that sort of your your you better remake in use every bit of everything up there could you. Could you talk i. I don't know what you focus on in space but but if you could share some thoughts around that you no i love everything that you said that that totally lines up with you know what i would say you know my focus in astra by futures ms. It's it's the human element it's the human condition. It's the human experience in space right like everything that you just said right now. A trip to mars. You know take snow. Plus or minus seven six seven eight months at at length right in that period of time. You are you know essentially in a a steel tune with you know four five you know however. Many people depend on which billionaires paying for the trip your drinking each other's p because you know in terms of circular economy all all of your fluids you know the the the international space station collect your sweat. It's collect your saliva and urine ended it recycles at because you can't just ship up border you know. All these resources like ad nauseam took people on the international space station. So you have to make it as sustainable enclosed loot as possible And you know. There's there's things that you have to consider. There's a form of life that you have to get used to and one of those things is getting used to the fact that this person that i'm starting to hate because i feel like i've been here too long. I still have to drink their tomorrow space camping. That's it that's it and and it's not you don't you don't you. Don't get you. don't get to go to mars with your friends. You go to mars with the people most suited for going to mars on a technical level of like this person's a good pilot this person's maintenance person this person's a good engineer doesn't necessarily They're not pairing you like on tinder by interests or something like that makes air now. I which person likes tender like all these people like board games. We'll put them all on the on the ship to mars. No you're getting paired with the the level of expertise and then some and then some one rich dude to that of course gets the biggest cabin that you gotta allow for and doesn't understand that actually two hundred towns of extra weight is doesn't sound like much here on earth but guess what in space that is a whole lot of extra weight to accommodate for. I don't care how many billions you have. And that's the thing right. Like i mean you know nasa all these spaces they do do like compatibility tests right but to your point. You're not going with like your drinking buddies from the bar on. you know. this isn't a road trip right up. You know out on top of that. You're in literally the most hostile environment known to man at this point right. You've got you know you've got to deal with you. Know microgravity you've got to deal with radiation Micrometres all of these different things. That in an instance if you if you now your ps and qs like it's literally life or death every second of every day right like not even the people who originally left their their continents there landmasses and traveled in boats to other locations. Had to deal with the idea of chi might not have air to read tomorrow right they might have had to deal with turbulent weather traveling but they always had oxygen right. That was never concern. So it's a foreign in a lot of ways You know everything about our body is Physiologically made to exist and thrive on this planet. Right like not having gravity to your you know the challenges with getting an erection in space. That's a real fame right because there is no there is no gravity which means that the blood in my body is not being pulled down to my feet like it usually is when i'm traveling. So all of my blood tends to float above into my upper body you'll notice that like astronauts have puffy faces. Because you know there's nothing that's pushing all of that down at your muscles atrophy. There's all of these different psychological things from being isolated. You're sleeping in a little cubby. You know it's not the greatest experience that people think i didn't. Yeah no no no way as nasa letting you take to dick pumps on the space station either. So having drink each other is the era. And why don't they have. They tried just doing an all female space mission. I just feel like it takes a lot of the mess out of the situation. You got smaller bodies you got you got less to feed you got. I feel like i. I don't wanna make broad generalizations too much here. But but i i feel like there's a there's a little bit more of like a group in social unity and cooperation and not always the case but guys are so hierarchical and everything else are poops r. Gross or just everything about it and we just smell more a i i. I think that's a that's a solution. I can't think of the exact the exact source. But i know that it has pencilled out that having Women in space makes way more since the in at the very least that people think And i know that the artists mission coming up. That's going to be the first all female trip back to the moon Which really yes. We'll have our first Women and women of color on the moon during the arduous mission may as twenty twenty four. I want to say. I'm being look. There's a reason why why shack wasn't a jockey back. I'm not trying to discriminate here. Just like we're talking about frag matic issue. Yeah come along with certain constraints. So yeah i'm i. I bet i bet that all women mission. I bet they've gotta be like. Yep that's told you just what we're doing it. Yeah about time you know. There's also a lot of of insights around on how people with physical disabilities. But you know people with different body. Challenges are not challenges over the correct way to say that. Is you know why they make a lot more sense as space travelers because yes they are lighter. They're just as competent You don't necessarily need Someone saying you don't need you don't need legs or you don't need feet in space because you're weightless so you know it. On average it costs around like ten thousand dollars per pound to stand something into space so you know. That's that's why it's so hard to instill expensive to do a lot of this stuff because the cost cost of getting stuff up is just astronomical no pun intended. Yeah it it really it really. I i mean i'm surprised but humans up there. At all to be honest. I'm surprised to say it's not just more probes and putting a and that sort of thing but i i suppose that there's things that only humans can do and things that that we can discover but yeah i mean. I'm glad you're on board for my all female little people Space mission That's i feel like. That's why stephen hawking was trying to get to space so like he would have been perfect for the mission and but but i feel like he was trying to like scare us about a pack elliptic situations of earth a little bit just because he was so he he wanted to get into that zero gravity so much i feel like he has maybe a little biased. But so getting off on weird tangents and this episode i can. Can we talk a little. Bit about I wanna make sure and talk a little bit about your Your show Giants on animal planet because i because for listeners. If you get the animal planet if you have like One of these devices. I have roku. That's not a plug for roku that just. I don't even know that i do have that. Actually i might have. I forget what. I a few different various amazon fire sticks. Or whatever whatever you have if you get the animal planet app You can check out little giants on there which billions a co host of. Can you tell people a little bit about the premise of little giants. I've seen all but the last two episodes so far which i'm going to watch tonight. Oh cool yeah. So little durians is this show with me and my dear friend And wildlife expert bradley trevor. grieve It's it's he. And i going out to these really far remote places around the world in finding these little creatures who have either some really interesting myth. That's been built up around them or they do something really really fascinating in terms of the the biological adaptations that they have to live bribe in their in their niche in their Environments so it's he and i going out trying to find these little things their environment Making fools ourselves in trying to chase after these really fast little and then when we do catch some we have this Mobile lab that we've set up The to try to capture and measure. Just how amazing. The the individual abilities of these creatures are at their scale Through cgi we explore. You know what it would actually be like. You took this mice. Who has this mouse. Who has like extremely powerful jaws and you scale that mouse up to the size of a truck. You scale it up to the size of a truck. How strong would those laws than be pound for pound. So it's really fun. It's it's again it's one of those introduction kind of shows family oriented It was just awesome to to film. In general Is that is. That's it's it's such a fun premise. To think about You know when some small creature leaps You know compared to how far human can leap or compared to how far Some other thing. That's much better than humans. Leaping can go. If you were to scale it up to that size. I i was curious. Why is watching the obviously it's a introductory show for families and stuff but you've probably had You've probably had this thought While making it is in terms of taking things from bio mimicry in implementing. A into things on here on earth or or for space travel or whatever. We don't always assume that the design is perfect in an easy you take aspects of of sharks having certain skin. That's a rough. That's perhaps anti microbial or something like that. You take certain aspects like that and and maybe not used the whole thing in that same way when you take something like Fly some lizard that glides or whatever and and scale it up. I mean if you use like a honey i shrunk the kid laser and then actually made them that size they would all just collapse under the weight of gravity. Wouldn't they because of the because of the way that they're the way that they're structures actually interested in the small things. Pack a punch. As i like to tell as many women as i can and and they mike tyson for example is not the was not the tallest boxer that ever lived. Give us a like a the these small creatures have just different things that were from a from architectural. Are you still into. Hey my keenest. I i was i was i was. I was worried. It wasn't gonna go kill. Usually i have a pretty subtle delivering. I kind of just let things go right i. I'm glad i'm glad but how i know. I i never get this much validation on my podcast so it how how do you. How do you go about taking something that you see like that and it is i love. I love the show. I i love the. Cgi scaled up things and showing like a. Here's this elephant ramming into a car. Whatever compared to this lizard was scaled up. But how do you actually take things from nature and think about how they can practically be implemented and scaled. I see so this is more this is more how to like what is the actual process of bio mimicry. Aurea yeah specifically for like. How do we think about these. Comparisons for the show The more the i mar the first question a in terms of if you're if you're literally trying to implement bio mimicry rather than entertain Family friendly audience. Yes yeah It's it's it's a question so when you're when you're looking at something in nature right like all science in this. Why would say like this. Is the practice people who've been doing since time immemorial right like this is not a new. It's a trend. People use the word bio mimicry. But it's you know it's an indigenous ancient everlasting thing that we've been doing right The example that. I have that comes to mind which is not. It's this is. This is what i imagine bio mimicry look like back in the cave days. Right i'll i'll use this to give you more Direct answer but you know in my mind. One of the earliest forms of bio mimicry. My theory is you know fishing nets and spiders right in my mind like some ancient person came across a spiderweb and saw an insect that was trapped in that web trying to get out and said this spider has created a great way to capture things. I wonder if i can take that same pattern that same web design and i wonder if i can capture fish the way that is spider. Just captured that. Now of course webster sticky blah blah blah blah blah. But my my my initial thought is you know the. The function of the web is to capture right or to snare or trap right if you look a fishing net especially some of the older designs. They look very similar to spider webs. Right many serve the same function to capture. So when you're when you're doing when you're practicing bio mimicry. You're looking at the function of. What the design is doing right ending. You're applying the function that animals solve for or the strategy right because the function there's different strategies that you can go that you can create to address function right if i'm trying to capture something i can use tape right or i can use a web design or i can use you know a attracted to different strategies right and so in nature. There's all of these different strategies to do this. One function of capturing right i can i can hide camouflage myself and then jump out and grab it right or if i'm spider i can create web and let something fly into it and it'd be trapped in the web so all these different strategies exists in the natural world and so bio mimicry. What we're doing saying okay of these strategies to capture something this strategy that works best for the problem that i have to entrust this function and that is what we're doing were saying like. How can we do this thing. And then we're looking over nature and saying will you know this spot fighter. Does this thing that i'm also trying to do. How is a doing this. Will it strategy is to use a web. So maybe i can design something that serves the same function of capturing and use that for something that is at the human scale does that does that The very much answers the question. Yeah yeah that's it. 'cause i mean and i love thinking about how far back we have been Copying strategies from other life on the planet in terms of ivan. As just like you you know you use a. I mean i think the idea of caveman is kind of trite and inaccurate. But but still the idea of just like hey. You can build a cave anywhere. And that's that's homes that's our for that's and then and then you know things like Things like Karen meds are anything that resemble some certain like ant hills and different structures. Like that isn't there. Isn't there some mall somewhere that started using what they've learned from termite mounds heard of this Too so they they can africa or something like that so they didn't need air conditioning and they they used the saw. That termite mounds built up so much gets air circulating from from the core of the ground to breathe it out and and have the heat rise up that way. yeah What are what are some of your other Favorite example this is where this is where the space stuff starts intersect to when these that just came across the other day and again part of part of why i'm interested in space is because you know nasa. The cool thing about nasa is that you know it's a public you know public entity in terms of government funded right so the technology that nasa creates we. As citizens of this country in the united states were able to license that technology can create businesses around it so these things are referred to as spin off so all these nasa spin offs of technology that has been a licensed from something that was originally created from exploring space. And there's one company own as called eagle view and they create sunglasses. So what's interesting about. The story is nasa scientists were looking for a way to reduce the amount of radiation. That was getting into You know the eyes of astronauts and in order for them to find a way to reduce this radiation. They actually turned to nature so they studied birds and things specifically hawks studied hawks from have emir. Is this level. This layer of oil that actually filters out certain wavelengths of of of radiation and and Light and so from that they mimicked the the layer of oil in. Is that gold sheath that you see in a lot of films nasa helmets and all that to to filter out that was inspired by Them studying is hawks. And there's this company that created sunglasses that millions of people wear that was based on this space technology that was based on. You know The adaptation in the eyes of a bird So minnesota fun stuff out there. That was just like you know nasa looking at this Created this now. That's being used to create xyz man. It's that's that's a wonderful story also just another reminder. There's there's another reason. I hadn't thought of of wide and not go to space You come back. You're you're blind now you. You have no muscle mass. You're blind your week and you just got your functions back you come back. Everyone's greeting you. You can barely walk. You're blind and you just have a raging hard on in as as here trying to as as function comes back already us. I say many jokes in this episode. Billy got cycle of lives. Now you see why. I'm focused on the human experience in space are. Are you trying to get to space. What's what's the deal. That nasty calls you up and says we. We got a spot for you. We we need. We need someone We need someone to get up there. Take a look around. Make more amusing for people Make it a little more like a roller coaster ride but also build efficiencies based on nature bio man recre-. Well you're up there. We're going to have you do public education and give some talks and stuff As i know you're doing you have a lot of fantastic qualities that would be good for space space travel and and be a good endorser generally but do you really wanna go up. I have little very little desire to live so that you just i would. I would go to lower earth atwood or verb it can lower earth orbit right like where the where the international space station is. I would go there. She around you know this is kind of dough all right time to go and then come back down and be like that unexpected thing off my list but you know having a strong desire to be the live is not my knowledge is i am interested in creating space farm. I think sparked farming in space is going to be a big thing And so i wanna be you know. One of the people who figures that out in space farm for a couple of different reasons but Living in space is not for me as not. Yeah especially if things are now. It's a few words. How really hard. Yeah if you don't realize how bad our in in space exploration like we just like we. We haven't even taken the for step. You know if you were like step like we've just lifted our foot to put it on a step like we haven't even touched the step yet. Yeah it's insane i. it's it's like you. You worked so hard your whole life. You were at the top of your class. You went through this rigorous training. You got paired with people that with lake enough compatibility personalities which is probably not a perfect matching anyway and then and then what you get in reward for. That is an exceedingly dangerous. It and if not dangerous like if you're lucky enough to survive it pretty boring tedious uncomfortable trip to a vacuum an actual charge in a vacuum which brings me to my last. They'll thing what can we learn from this to inhabit like the desert or you. You mentioned the ocean. More people have been dispaced in the bottom of the ocean. i'm interested. That's what i'm i wanna get in a submarine. I wanna see. People are out there looking for their building things so i. I wonder if we'll ever get a message from space. Oh what's this thing that some some You know some air force guys saw some things shooting through Space that was if for some reason they only had the camera running that is made out a toilet paper tubes and while synthetic citing that. Maybe there's aliens here if you watch if you watch Like you watch one of these bbc Like blue ocean things or whatever. What isn't an alien. You can't not bump into an alien you can't go into the ocean. There's aliens just swimming around the everywhere they're coming up to you. You get to look at them. It's it's incredible that that's where i'm had. That's where i wanna go explore thoughts questions. I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean. I think you know it's it is crazy that you know it's interesting. How many people fascinated by space exploration versus like like you said i mean the the ocean is in a lot of ways i would say more dangerous but is as dangerous as traveling to space right like you got to deal with crushing pressure right like you get a whole thing is. I hope you wrote your letters right. You know. it's so it's it's crazy but there's a jar jar banks pulled it off. And he was the dumbest one ever and there is life. there is live at the bottom of the ocean. There's so much that we're yet to To tap into nc and i think You know to your to your question of it's it's almost ironic in a lot ways because astronauts trained for space. You know in bodies of water right. They have these huge tanks. these giant. You know tanks of water and they'll be with awkward nights and you know for so the value of the ocean inherently to space is exponential just just from training people to go out there and i do being brought me. It is the hope that by by creating all this technology to live in the most minimalistic place you know ever know the vacuum of space we can find additional things that we can use beyond satellites. Satellites provide a great insights and data that we use for tracking wildfires. And you know there's all these great things that have already benefited. The planet from space exploration. Drive but i'm hoping that we can. You know the the thing that i want is i want to like i want the the robot that has bristles that can like filter out all this trash the way that awale does That's those are the of creations that i'm interested in creating or or finding out about talking about You know that's that's the the astro futures work it's like how do we reverse engineer Of stuff but how do we also apply it in different ways that can help us better the planet. Yeah take those take those whale fin bumps and them on fan throw them on a propensity minus build some efficiencies here yet. No i think that is to to me. That's one of the most intriguing things about spaces. The then i mean You know it's it's mostly a pr stunt Weird space parade scituate but in my opinion but the Putting the constraints in in the amount of problem solving that comes out of that is of course going to have downstream implications in If you can if you can get six people to To sustain and some little capsule in a in a vacuum drinking their own urine certainly. We can certainly be configure out. How on earth make less waste and everything else. And that's really exciting to me so before we wrap up where why don't you plug yourself tell people direct people to where you'd like them to go. You have a great website. And i want people to check out little giants on and You're on instagram. I do a lot of stem oriented workshops Do a lot of keno speaking. So if anyone's looking for a keynote speaker or a workshop for students around storytelling world building bio mimicry. The what i referred to as the nature of space. How you can find space. You can find nature in all of the different ways that space is being explored How to design for space These are all different. Lectures workshops that. I give you can find me at work on my website at billy almond dot com or you can connect me directly on instagram. Handle is at billy underscore. All woman Saint or twitter. But i'm on instagram I think have aged out of tick-tock. But i'm not sure yet and Yeah in little giants is on animal planet or animal planet go Feel free to watch enjoy in. Let me know what you thought about the show And yeah thanks again. Free even having me man. This is hilarious. Yeah thanks for Thanks for joining us. This is a fantastic information. I really appreciate Everything that you're doing and your ability to communicate these These ideas in a way. That's a really accessible for the public. So i appreciate you billy likewise likewise man. This is great and laugh at hard hard cats. I appreciate it. Thank you and thank you listeners. For being such wonderful curious people. We'll talk with more next week.

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Brighter Than the Sun

Things Above

13:14 min | 1 year ago

Brighter Than the Sun

"I'm James Brian Smith. Welcome to the things above podcast. You're listening to episode sixty three three if you missed the pilot episode of this is your first time listening this. This is a podcast for what we call mind discipleship. It's a podcast for those who want to set their minds on things above. That's where the name of the podcast comes from from Colossians. Three bursts to were pulses. Set your minds on things above my friend. John Orangeburg said this you have a spirit and it is constantly instantly being shaped by what you hear and watch and say and read and think and experience. John's talking of course about spiritual formation formation. Everyone like to say is being spiritually formed. Not just the people who are pursuing a religious life and John said you habit spirit and it is being formed constantly. It's being shaped John Ads by what we hear and watch and say and read and think think and experience and that's why we do this podcast. We want to help you here and think and experience things from above the kinds the things that will shape you into Christ likeness today. Stop from above is this God is happy about you when my son Jacob who by the way is the producer of this podcast and is now twenty seven years old. But I digress. When my son Jacob was little he he said something to me that was incredibly sweet and endearing and I have to be honest? It made me cry the first time he said his grammar was not right but in a way that even made it more touching one day he walked up to me and he asked this dad. Are you happy about me now. I I'm not sure what he had been doing right before. He asked me the question but I suspect it was probably drawing playing or building something I just remember the he walked up to me. Look me in the eye and ask Dad. Are you happy about me. I think what he was asking was. Are you happy with what I just did. Or maybe happy with what I've been doing. I'm pretty certain he was just seeking my appraisal for something he had been doing or something he just done but the way he phrased the question absolutely broke my heart because Jacobs actual question was not about whether I approved of what he'd done but but whether or not I was happy about him about his very being. Are you happy about me. What a great great question and my answer was and is unequivocally yes I was and am so happy about Jacob by by the way please allow me the grace to continue using this incorrect grammar during the rest of this podcast? Because I think the notion of someone being happy about is is deeply profound in exactly those ungrammatical words. I remember giving this big hug and I remember I started to kind of weep deep which was probably a big surprise to him his little five year old self was probably thinking. What's wrong with dad? Or what did I just do. Made him hug me so hard or made him cry but when he asked that question I could see on his face a deep desire to have me his father be happy about him. Of course most of us I want everyone to think well of us and it hurts when we discover someone dislikes us or is upset with us or is unhappy with something that we've done but At the deepest core we long to know if the significant people in our lives are truly happy about us. Our parents are the first people well we want to know are happy about us. They're the ones who brought us into this life and there's no getting around our need to have them above others to be happy about US having their approval acceptance and hopefully lumper us is essential for our well-being. I recently saw an interview with a famous actress from the movies of the nineteen fifties. She's now eight years old and she had this marvelous career career. She enjoyed fame and fortune and his lived a pretty charmed life but when the interviewer asked her about her relationship with her father other who'd been dead for over forty years she suddenly began to weep all she could manage to say was I loved him and I loathe him and through her tears. She shared that. She desperately wanted her father to love her but all all he could manage to do was to be critical of her. Are you happy about me. It's our heart's cry and even though someone on May have been gone for forty years still that longing that hurt is just as real. I mean there. She was weeping. When in this interview view over something that happened decades earlier? Maybe we were fortunate enough to have parents who are truly happy about us and let us know in enough ways to make us believe it but many listening I suspect did not have that our parents after after all human beings which means they are flawed and limited and broken people. They're human if I had to guess I'd speculate that most of us live with some some amount of deficit when it comes to truly feeling loved. I mean loved without condition by those significant people in our lives and that is why for me. The real healing comes not from chasing the love and acceptance. Dare I say happiness of others regarding our existence since that healing comes when we encounter the trinity the Father The son and the Holy Spirit. I spoke in a great deal about the trinity on this podcast. And I don't do that because I like to talk about deep theological ideas I do. So because the trinity is at the heart of this universe and because the trinity is the answer to while everything you may be thinking. Well Way Way Jim. How does the Trinity Eighty connect with this idea of being happy about our existence? What a great question just put into your minds the late great great theologian Ray Anderson? who had the privilege of having as a professor when I studied at Fuller said this profound truth? Ministry Precedes Needs Theology. Let me just stick with that for a moment or should I say unpack that deep. Thought because you know. I like to unpack on this podcast. Ministry ministry refers to the action of God on our behalf so the Ministry of God or the action of God is God's work toward us and what Anderson saying is God's ministry God's Action Toward US determines our theology which is how we think about God so the allergies not merely dry speculation about God saying things like you know. God is all powerful Omnipotent or on knowing omniscient initiative or that God is everywhere omnipresent. Those Omni's as I like to call them well they're true but they don't tell us much about the heart of God God for that. We need to look at God's ministry namely what God has done. That's what Ray Anderson saying. So now we turn into the Christian story. God became human. The word of God took on flesh and dwelt among us the son of God by by the power of the spirit healed and forgave and showed love to the least the lost and the unlovely the second member of the trinity Jesus Willingly died in order to cancel our debt of sin to reconcile us to God even while we were enemies that is God's ministry or rather the Trinity's ministry on our behalf and what does that ministry teach US theologically. Or what do God's actions tell us about who god is or even more to the point. What do the Trinity's Action tell us about how the trinity feels about us. The actions of the Trinity are shouting to us. This this very thing. The Trinity is happy about us. Do you believe that the trinity is very very happy. Maybe about you but I can almost hear the butts in your minds Jim. I'm center. I mean I've really made a mess in my life. There there is no way God is happy about me. Well I would ask you this. On what grounds do you believe this now. If view of projected onto God some human image of a person who loves on the basis of our behavior. Then I understand why this is difficult to believe. But here's where the trinity corrects this false projection God. The Father Sends The Sun not to condemn the world. John three seventeen but to rescue it. While we are sinners Christ dies for us Romans. Five eight that's how Paul says in that adverse God demonstrates his love for us Romans. Five eight is such an important verse. Let me read it again. God demonstrates his love for us in this while we were still sinners. Christ died for us to hear the actions actions the ministry in adverse God the father and God the Son die for us and in doing so demonstrates straights that God loves us while we are sinners it proclaims not when we shape up or when we get better or when we stop sending no it says while we were still sinners but we get so down so dejected. So sad all all because we think well. I'm not really lovable. I'm not loved or we think maybe all is lost or we think there's really no hope be of good cheer friends and listen into this and this is one of my all time favorite quotes from one of my all time favorite people John Cranston. I've quoted him before Jonah Kronstadt was the nineteenth century Orthodox priest and this is one of my favorite quotes from him. He writes when you are dejected. Remember this that God. The Trinity looks upon you with is brighter than the sun. Oh it's so good. I have headquarters again when you're dejected. Remember this that God. The Trinity looks upon you with is brighter than the sun It's so good I could hear it over and over again God. The Trinity looks upon us with is brighter than the sun. Think about that. Here's a thought from above right now. God the Trinity is looking upon you with is that are brighter than the Sun God. The Trinity is indeed very very happy about you. May this truth fill your heart till it overflows with joy. I hope you join me next week for episode sixty four until then you can find me on twitter and facebook at James Brian Smith and you can learn more about this podcast at Apprentice Institute Dot Org. If you enjoy this episode please share it with a friend and you can also subscribe Dr. Which means you're going to get them? Autumn medically each week. My hope as always is that one day if you are asked. Hey what's on your mind. Your answer will be things above above uh.

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Arizona State scandal & CFP expansion update

The Audible with Feldman And Mandel

42:12 min | 3 months ago

Arizona State scandal & CFP expansion update

"Welcome to the audible presented by trader. Joe's i'm stewart mandel joined by bruce feldman it is the middle of june bruce which is usually one of the quietest times in college football of the year. And i'm i'm i'm you know i've been as busy as ever been i. You are to. It's just been in explosion of news in college football. Let's talk about a pretty explosive story. That emerged on wednesday in terms of recruiting violations at arizona. State that You and are. Asu writer. doug taylor have been on top of so Herm edwards obviously has had an interesting time as the head coach at a issue and Look i think he really is handed the keys of his program largely to his defense coordinator antonio pierce. Who's i think has been promoted four times there and there has been a lot of chatter on the west coast especially over the last week about Some questionable recruiting Tactics and one of the things that come to light. As we reported at the athlete was that arizona state was hosting recruits on campus and in their building during the dead period that was imposed related to covid throughout. And this was like it was interesting after our story went up. I got a call last night which being wednesday night From a coach. Who's in the afc who said who's who's like we heard about this because we had two kids we were recruiting are recruiting who just matter-of-factly had talked about how they had been at asu. And we're like why you know. This was back earl much earlier in the spring way before this month started obviously And this coach made an interesting point. He's like you know a lot of kids most kids. You recruit do not know the ncaa recruiting rules. They do not know the recruiting calendar. They they just don't understand it. It's like something where it's complicated for high school coaches to know. So what you're doing is you're going to have family members in some cases recruits you know in on basically A somewhat of a secret That's probably getting out. And what we have found with duggan. I of reporting we talked to a bunch of former. Asu coaches and staffers. As well as. I've talked to a lot of people around the pac twelve and coaches around the country This was kind of an open secret on that was That was out there and so it got into a little bit as we reported of what one former. Asu coach described as a quote rogue culture and had corroborated that At one point a year ago. Asu for three assistant coaches. Were guys that this particular person said were of high integrity in wouldn't cheat And they were guys that were fired in. This person felt antonio pierce you know. It was really the one that herm edwards leaned on a lot and it was like basically these guys were guys that they knew were wouldn't probably do some of these things and they replace them with younger coaches who would kind of just basically do whatever they were told in that regard and which you've gotten some really really dubious Conduct in it and One of the things we'd report on was like this coach talked about personally. Witnessing an instance last season in the twenty twenty season Where ran into a recruit being brought up like backstairs by some recruiting assistance during coded. And they were taking him to meet meet up with her and this person was like it was blatant You know and so there. That's seems to be the tip of the iceberg here and one of the one of the Coaches i talked to today made the point that was like here. You're having all the stuff go in the pac twelve with asu and your you know it's it's out there now and it doesn't right now it doesn't right to the threshold of some of the stuff you see at some other like programs like people have made this comment to me in the conference. It's like it's not like arizona. State has had like a top ten recruiting class. They had the eighth ranked recruiting class according to two four seven last year. So it's not like yes. They landed jaden daniels. Who was who has been a terrific player for them. It was a big get for them. But it's not like they've been recruiting top ten classes in the wake of all this so it's gonna be really interesting to see how much of this pours out but i think it is going to bring to light. You know it's a really interesting situation. Because i know you and i've talked about this a lot over a couple years. When ray anderson the arizona state. ad hired herm edwards. He boasted about how they're going to do things a certain way and really look towards this. You know kind of almost like an nfl model and where her is delegating. A lotta stuff. Well the nfl model is one thing but the ncaa is going to view it. As head coaches are responsible for what goes on in their program. Now one of the things. I had heard from a former f. Asu staffer was. You know some of the guys who are deeply rooted in the nfl world but maybe new to college coaching. And that's that was the case of you know what's the leadership at a issue. Right now is they may not really they think these some of these rules are really stupid. They may not respect them and it sounds like they didn't care about bendon them a couple of things that that really stand out to me for wine. I mean you know for the most part. People are focused on the when you talk about a recruiting violation somebody trying to get an edge. It's a competitive advantage But in this case we're talking a kind of a blatant disregard for health and safety. You know all teams in the country last year. We're trying so hard to basically form a bubble around their football program to keep You know people from coming in that might Spread covid and i. We don't know. I don't know what the crime the order of events was here with when the recruits came in and went but asu had one of the worst outbreaks in the country. Last year. they had to cancel three straight games. Herm edwards tested positive. Half the coaching staff tested positive. I remember when matt berry the sportscenter anchor who went to a issue and clearly connected. There tweeted early on during that stretch that they didn't have enough guys on one side of the ball to practice so year. They were having massive cova issues. Amidst all that you know based on the description it was just kinda like free rein they're bringing in recruits and their families and having visits just like normal times they're hiding recruits in this in the stadium. Sweet during a game You know that. Put the players in the staff in the building endanger. And i think that because of that you know the ncaa is going to take a much harsher look view of this then just like you know they. They brought in some kids when they shouldn't have you know if there were just like run of the mill recruiting violation And then yeah the other thing that really stands out to me in your reporting pete damn has a story about this on yahoo Is you you rarely see a situation. Where so many people are so eager to dunk on the asu to to to out them like usually no. There's this unwritten code where everybody knows who's cheating but nobody turns them in or not rats them out you got if former Staffers there guys like you said they run off guys who didn't want to be part of this. Who are jumping at the chance to talk to the ncaa who were eager to let somebody know how shady it was there. And you know we like you said like what we've reported so far is probably just the tip of the iceberg in terms of this rogue recruiting operation. That was going on and yeah. This is where that that infamous press release when in and by the way for people who don't know or don't remember rare anderson. The ad there was herm edwards agent when he was an nfl agent so first he hires his former client and then they put out this press release. That makes a point not just. They hired a coach but they are going to invent. When i looked at up yesterday they called the new leadership model. A new model for college. Coaching with the coaches the ceo. Who is you know the leadership guy. The big picture strategy guy. It was their admission that her has no college coaching experience. And yet they think this is going to be great. Because they'll just structured in a different way where he is the big picture guy and the coordinators and the assistant sir. Maybe more empowered to run the day to day and based on this early description. I mean it just blew up spectacularly. So i think they're in big trouble You know without knowing all the full details yet. It just seems like when you got this when they when the compliance people are already the ncaa already they're interviewing people There's a reference and one of the stories to there being video You know well the video. So the video part of this. I can get. This is something we talked about. You know a little bit internally is their security but yeah so and one of the coaches has said one when the coaches has said look you know you're gonna get caught at this because their security video Unless you're gonna erase the security video which puts it into another threshold That is kind of mind. Boggling that this now keep in mind. This is not two thousand. Twenty obviously was not a normal season. So i know you. And i talked about this a day earlier about well. How could people not in the building see we remember. It wasn't like you're having the normal foot traffic. You're having the normal day to day where you know. Certain people are around. There's there's receptionists. there's admins whatnot. This is a little different dynamic. But you still have the security footage and so you know as Doug and i had talked about there. Have been You know what we have heard of this. This packet that has been sent A whistleblower in the program You know somebody had said to me. I don't know what's in the package specifically but what i've heard it's like three dozen pages and that there's some receipts in there. That could be very very damning and as you mentioned there is a lot and i you know this a couple of the people i spot spoke to who fit in this category. Who are not going to hold back and not going to lie to the ncaa when they get contacted about it and also in this point got made to me by a coach in the pac twelve is that there's a lot of kids that asu probably did not sign who were part of Some illegal recruiting tactics. Those players are going to likely get contacted and they are going to be told if you lied. The ncaa causes all sorts of problems for you. There is no just like the fourth of the former assistants. Do not seem to have any allegiance right now to the regime at arizona state. There's not gonna be much allegiance to to players who may have been recruited. There were part of some sketchy behavior and then they may be turned to. I don't know how long that process because that's not something here. We are sitting here in the middle of june Pac twelve media days like five weeks away campus. Six weeks away. I don't know how quickly this all ramps up. I don't know if it's like you know not to show our cards too much. But i know doug and i have a lot more in our reporting that like it's not ready. What a t-that but there but there's there's a lot of there's a lot more stuff that we have And i'm sure that there's a lot of other people who are also now in on this especially you know not to give away show too much of the hand but it's like we'll we'll talk about this for a second is. There's a lot of a lot of parts of this that have tentacles into southern california Recruiting and seven on seven and high school football in. So it's not going to surprise me fs some newspapers get involved in the reporting as well So it's you know it's it's pretty unwieldy in terms of where this story covers where it may end up going. What i'm it's gonna be fascinating to see is how does arizona state because again the ad as we just talked about ray. Anderson is really tied into this in a way that a lot of times a dis are but not to this degree. And so you know what happens in this and i don't want to speculate too far beyond that but you know we're not that far from training camp and this thing is really kind of exploding and again as our story that we that went up on the athletic on wednesday points out it was like it's they're direct ties to her involvement. I wouldn't try to predict how the ncaa part of it plays out. Because as as we've talked about a million times it's completely unpredictable and it might take who knows what it'll take them six months a year. Two years hour-long long to do that investigation. But in the meantime we've seen schools handle this differently but it's generally based on. How successful is the coach. You know we see in basketball you know. Kansas is going to protect bill. Fight for bill self to the death. Arizona tried to fight for shawn miller for years until he stopped winning as many games and then in football league. We saw ole miss standby hugh freeze during that thing until until he had his other scandal. But we just saw tennessee. Toss cheering for it aside Want some something kind of like this. You know once kind of similar where there was a whistle blower and suddenly choice but to investigate themselves so You know herm has given them optimism But it's not like he's really won anything significance yet. There was a lot of optimism that this could be their breakout season. But we haven't seen it yet and in fact you know. Ironically that thing that he has given the most That the that the asu fans have been most excited about is the recruiting in our starting to find out. That was a house of cards. So i can't imagine there won't be some some some pink slips here and it's just a matter. How high up does it go. You know their physician assistance antonio pierce and whatnot who are directly implicated. They're probably gonna get fire. Is hurrying to get fired. I think that depends on whether this gets pinned on Whether they can prove that he had knowledge of these things or that he was directly responsible for them. If he if he needs to be fired then. I think you've gotta look at the ad rain or sin. Because this was his higher heat this was his idea and you would think he'd be held accountable for it as well. So could be just a just a complete shake-up at asu. Yeah and again. I think it's it's going to be interesting to see how they handle it because as we saying it butts up against training camp and i don't know like can you suspend assistance pending an investigation. If it's you know again it's how quickly does. Asu kind of jump into this. Because they're already there's already investigation the ncaa's ordina involved. The compliance people at asu are already involved You know put aside just what it does for the recruiting part of it for the class of of twenty twenty two but just in terms of what it means for the guys on the field and then there's also the specter of okay. Well there are players. They recruited And have signed. What does it mean for their eligibility. Yeah potentially You know there's still. There's a lot of stuff that asu compliance especially is going to have to try to get to the bottom of and they're gonna have to. I don't wanna say they're gonna have to get to bottom in a hurry but the question is going to be as You know it's like we haven't mentioned this part of it. Also you have a new pack twelve commissioner. Who is starting in thirteen days. Right and you ever anderson who was pretty prominent in terms of the president of the school at asu Those were strong voices in in the pac. Twelve in a place where you didn't have a lot that's something else. I wanted to bring up real quick michael crow the president of arizona state some presidents. Aren't that involved in athletics. He is very involved in athletics. He is probably the most prominent voice in the pac twelve among the pac twelve presidents. a lot of people say he used the reason. Larry scott stay in power for as long as he did. And there's no question his his a. I've talked to people who Work at asu and that new leadership model that that press releases in keeping with just michael rose approached everything. Everything at asu academically always framed around how they're the innovators how they're going to reinvent things. So i mean. I think he was probably i know he was. This was not entirely ray. Anderson thing like michael crow was definitely involved in the hiring and approval of edward so And i would all the other thing. I was told is that you know. He was very You know made a really big deal. About how serious they were about. Taking covid protocol seriously last year on the campus. And and how well they did completely giving an f you to that so I don't think this is going to end well for people. They're back to the podcast in a second. But i listen up. I have the scoop on your new favorite podcast. It's stars your dad or your best friend or your grandma and forcing yourself hang on. Grandma doesn't even know what a podcast is. Well that's where the people at artifact come in artifact is an audio company that captures your personal stories as one of a kind podcasts that you can share with your loved ones and keep for future generations to hear whether it's your parents telling the tale of how they met your grandma recording her life story or your nine year old talking about being nine artifact makes it easy. They connect the people in your life professional interviewers than edit those conversations into private radio quality episodes that sound like the real thing. 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So last week the working group the four people who had apparently in total secret credit to them for keeping this a secret from the media for to spend two years Hashing out this. This proposed format as recording this. All of the commissioners are in chicago troop true days of meetings. And that's where they're gonna have their first. You know kind of open. Discussion and debate over what was proposed in the next week in dallas. That same group will meet with the presidents of a group of presidents who are basically the board of the cfp not expecting them to come out of those meetings having signed sealed and delivered anything Basically they just need to give the sign off and say you know we want. We want you to keep pursuing this. We want you to to make this happen so in everybody in the industry you know The nobody thinks that greg sankey in jacksonville brick and bow these very prominent figures would have gone on national teleconference with the media. Touting all the great things about twelve team playoff if they thought there was any chance that their presence were gonna come and say nah. No we're staying for. I think everybody expects this is the model and it will happen. But it's going to take all summer and possibly into the fall to kneel down all the details to you know have to rework contracts. Possibly with the spn and the bowls so it's a long process from here but in you know we've spent a lot of time in the last week making calls talking to people around the industry and i would i get the sense that it's very popular like they. They put a lot of thought into it and people are very impressed with the overall proposal. The one element that's kind of controversial and took people by surprise is that the quarter finals will be played at ball games. I think people assumed that those would be on campus. That bowl games which have really just can't quit them. Just can't quit the habit i mean. It's it's it's amazing because the bulls have is not the days of ten fifteen years ago john. Junker at the fiesta bowl. Running up those huge expense account like the bulls. Don't have nearly the power that used to and yet you know you listen to bob. Dole's be on. that call. Talked about the sanctity tradition. And yeah i agree with you. I think they can't quit them. My story the up on the athletic on thursday gets into some of the reasons why they people feel like they can't quit them. One is just flat out there and contracts with them until twenty twenty six and if they want to do this sooner they may have no choice but to honor those contracts but also you know just is you know as much as people mock the and i know you hate it when they do mock. The lower level bowls As glorified exhibitions or whatnot. It is it is important for them to keep that going and keep that healthy because at the end of the day even in a twelve team playoff. You're talking about nine percent of the fbi. Teams are going to be in this thing in any given year. And i would say it's an even smaller percentage of teams that will regularly go to the cfp so that leaves a whole lot of schools. That still need something meaningful to play for at the end of the year So it is important to them to keep the bowl system going and maybe they feel that if they if they were to kick the the rose in the fiesta and the sugar and everything out. Completely that the trickle down effect would just kill the other bowls That's a that's a. that's a possibility. I just get the sense that the idea of you know our colleague. Andy staples definitely leading the charge on this. Dan wetzel who wrote death to the bcs a decade ago. They do. They really loved the idea of alabama florida. Florida has to go play Wisconsin and the bitter. I love the idea of that. I think a lot of fans loved the idea. I think a lot of people love the idea of that. I don't know that commissioners feel strongly about that though. I mean does it. Yeah because the commissioners outside of kevin warren You know like greg thank. You probably doesn't love. You mentioned florida. Which is obviously. It's not you know there's probably worse weather states in his footprint in terms of that but like yeah it takes it puts them at a disadvantage to go. If you're gonna go play a game against wisconsin. I covered a packers. Vikings playoff game in january. I mean it's an awesome place to be but you know. I'm not playing in the game and i'm not somebody who grew up in a warm weather state. So it's i kinda get that part of it but to me. You know that should be part of football. It's part of the nfl and the bucks went up to green bay last year. one But the interesting thing about sankey being one of the authors of this is that i i know for sure that the abc's and his conference are probably more than any other not on board with it Because they look at this as a chance to you know college. Football tendency has been in decline for a decade or more. Even at the even the alabama's even the george like everybody has trouble filling their stands especially for those early non conference games and for them. If they're if they knew that going into a year giving any given year you know that they felt like they have a pretty good chance to finish high enough to host a playoff game that becomes part of the enticement of by season ticket. You know by your season tickets. You will have first dibs on playoff tickets but under this proposal. Yeah four teams that you would have to be specifically seated five through eight to get one of those. If you're higher you don't get one of those you go straight to the to the bowl part of it so i think it's very clunky and i think the logistics of it are daunting and i think that even if they do it they'll get three years into it and be like this isn't sustainable But as of now. I think that the support for it among the commissioners is much stronger than maybe people would realize. Let me ask you a question. An inside baseball question. You talked about this a little bit. Offline but i kind of pick your brain more on it Our pow ross dellinger of sl dot com had a fascinating story. He did two days ago. About how this has been in the works for a long time and it was kept under wraps and credit to ross four Bringing it to light. I'm curious like you know. We both talked to a lot of people in college. Athletics this was not you know there was a lot of people involved in this. Like how surprised. Are you that. It was kept under wraps to this degree. And like i don. I wanna i wanna take a question beyond that which is almost like what does that tell you about how we're going with. This is last year around this time. We kind of realized how fractured the leadership of college. Football was right. It was every man or every leader every person for themselves every conference for themselves right. That's to me that was one of the takeaways from all that And yet this was like seemed to be seemed to be a very concerted effort where everybody was on board So i don't know exactly. I'm trying to phrase the question to you but like what is your read on how they were able to kind of keep that under wraps the way they were and crew presents a unified voice on something that has rarely uniform. Yeah i think that it is. I can't emphasize enough how different this process has been that covered years and years of of. Bcs meetings you know. I can remember being at a at a hotel in south florida in two thousand eight. When mike's live i proposed they don't even call it a playoff at the time of plus one nobody would dare utter playoff I was in a covered. All the meetings in two thousand twelve. They lead to the fourteen playoff. It was nothing like this. It was all public leaks. They basically looked like nick there. I guess what i would say was very adversarial. Jim delany wanted. What was best for the big ten mics live. Obama was best for the sec and everybody had their agenda and it was just kinda. It was very college. Football is very disorganized. Chaotic kind of like what we saw with covid last summer. This has been much more organized. I think they picked the right for people to to. You know wasn't the. I think the whole group had been working on it the whole time it would have leaked out. You picked four people. They swore themselves to secrecy Lots of smokescreens. Along the way rick. Sankey up until this year every time you he was asked about it. I like four teams. I'm fine with four teams. And apparently all the while he was plotting out in ross one point they talked about twenty four teams so they did very good job of that and then i really do think i don't want to sound cheesy but is really the first time in all my time covering this that they put together something where they it seems like they genuinely looked out for what's best for the sport. Not just what's best for them because it's not best for the power five to give the group of five not only to give the group of birth but to leave open the possibility they might take birth from the power five if one of the power five times as to how is how is this. Aside from the part about homes home games vs bowl games if you're the sec. You go from having a chance. You're not you're probably not getting to your rarely getting two teams. Now you may get four. I think twelve teams is definitely better for the sec than aid. No question about that yeah. Twelve teams also. Good for everybody else. This trying to get You know i mean the big ten has his is a realistic one to send multiple teams. It's great for the group of five Last year they had to they would have had to In this in the in the playoffs so they found something that everybody. That's good for the sec. That's good for the big ten. That's good for the good for. Yeah it's it's seems to be good for everybody. The only thing that i i mentioned this before and i don't know how much this'll be an issue or not is just it's more games for players to play. And but you know. Look with an i l. there there's more visibility more opportunity because as we're talking about now these some of these games in late october november should have more marketability more visibility for them so. I think that's seems to be a win win. I mean i think if you're a player for for iowa and and you're not necessarily a high round draft pick and now you get a chance instead of going to the outback bowl to play in the playoff. You're not going to be all that worried about. I have to pay extra games. I think if you're you know Name the alabama star player or the clemson star player georgia star player. Who has serious. Nfl aspirations who is going to play in this thing maybe every year of their career almost every year of their career. You know that's a whole different. That's a different animal. And i didn't think that the commissioners on that call last week. I thought their answers. We asked him about player. Safety and length Their answers were not satisfactory. I don't think in this climate where i mean literally the day were reporting this. There's like the eighteenth congress hearing about and i l. and you safety athletes safety and is a huge issue on that front for them absolutely an end. The athletes obviously are more emboldened aware than they ever have been. We saw that during covid out there. They're very aware that they are kind of you. Know like all the lanes that they went through to play the football season last year warranty. You know in large part about we can't lose the money. We can't lose the money so to your point. I think if they do this they're going to have to find a way for the athletes to be compensated for those extra games and it may be that and i l. is the way to do that. That it won't is. There's we're not. You know nobody is remotely entertaining the idea of paying players a salary or anything where the schools are writing a check to their players. Or even if the ncaa's radio but could it be that that come twenty twenty three Everybody who plays in the allstate sugar bowl gets an gets appearance fee and i'm using air quotes right now. An appearance fee from That they're like you know police for one game that they're kind of like Influence or or folks. That could be a possibility but i. i don't think. I think they will be met with fierce resistance from congress state politicians. They'll be lawsuits if they just say all right. This is the system you could play. Seventeen games and amateurism amateurism amateurism. That's just not gonna fly in the current climate all the while that these the you know the these stories have been dominating. The news cycle in college. Football mean we talk about michigan and boesch becker. Last week in that has not let up there was another round of protests. And you're seeing more former michigan. Athletes come forward to say. They were abused by that. Dr to To two point two you just the horror. The fact that michigan had so many opportunities to stop this and didn't and now there's obviously in terms of the the football program aspect of it. There's calls to remove the bone. Becker statue and to rename becker hall. And i'm always a little leery of awaiting into that when it's somebody else's campus what. I'm starting to wonder about what this thing is. Where's jim harbaugh and He he had one comment a little ago. Constant you know saying defending rochemback ler boesch. boeckler is was his undisputed mentor The guy he styles himself after as michigan's football coach and as this goes on and as more comes out As the face of michigan football like he'll go to big ten media days. He'll get asked about this. How does he respond to this in a way where. I'm sure he doesn't wanna step by. He may truly believe that both dzhembekov did nothing wrong. But there's a danger there have going to bat for him and looking like you're just being completely on sympathetic to the victims right. I do think this is a unique dynamic in that. Like you and i talked about whatever parallels there are two penn state and gop. Turn aware you boesch amac or has been an iconic figure in college football and especially tied to the university of michigan. The team the team the team there are so many people not just former players but even people we we know you know in media circles who has spent a lot of time around michigan and so there's a reverence there well as people are trying to reconcile that it's it's kinda unique in that even though boashan bekker's been gone for a long time in. This doctor has been gone for a long time. You have a head coach. Who enlarge part was brought back to his alma mater because of his connection as affinity and all things both shimba cler. And so as we've seen. Jim harbaugh is kind of an unpredictable guy when it comes to what he says in front of a microphone to I i very fascinated by this dynamic as it's relating because we've seen a lot of former standout players at at at michigan people were now twenty years removed from their playing careers speaking up and the story as you know our story on site is. We're not quitting. Robert anderson survivors demand action from michigan Jim harbaugh is going to as you said. Gonna be back in the spotlight. Some people i've talked to about then the last week about how the sham boeckler story and how it's being handled by the college football media you know. I had this conversation with somebody on a last thursday. And they've like well it's in the tapping in the off season. And you know games are not going to be played for a couple of months and as you pointed out you know one of the not one of the only times. It's been in the news but one of the flashpoints where it was in the news where there was a press conference happen the same day as the cfp announcing that there was movement towards twelve team. Playoff at that. News comes and goes. The ugliness of the michigan scandal is not going away Does what what is jim. Harbaugh's answer's going to be to this when he is going to be asked about it and he is gonna be asked about it. I think he's going to be asked about it more than one. Time as you said big ten media days announced that it's gonna be In indianapolis like a month from now a little more than a month from now that is gonna come up. I mean bo- shambo goes not just any other former coach and his relationship with jim. Harbaugh is not just i made. It is much different and so You know does what. Jim harbaugh say. It's from the heart. Does that ended up. Inflaming the situation further in causing even more You know even more headlines. Even more attention because jim brandstatter who at least people in the big ten probably know of his a longtime voice of michigan football. He gave some comments. I think they were to the detroit. Free press earlier in the week. That certainly you know Inflamed a lot of people in terms of You know let question timeline of of shock. Sign as one as one of many of the accusers. And so how does jim harbaugh handle this publicly. It's it's going to be something to keep an eye on its i. I don't know how he'll handle it. But it's gonna it's gonna it's going to be a lot different than it's going to have a lot different impact than the radio voice saying something pretty much. Anybody else connected to michigan football. It's almost a situation where the current michigan football coach was when rich rodriguez was michigan football. Coach i give somebody from the outside. Who has no previous ties to that era Dower probably be a little bit less messy than a guy who played for beauchamp sham boeckler models his whole program after bo sham boeckler basically moved into the neighborhood that bo used to live in to try to kind of almost like get that same. Feel of what it's like. Bose existence was to coach. The the michigan wolverines. I mean it's really like It's a very unique dynamic. That i don't think there's quite anything like it in college. Football right now. And you've got unfortunately sadly tragically and hundreds of of Victims out there from this doctor and you know they weren't certainly weren't all michigan football players by any means but they now know or they've now heard from several of beauchamp bekker's players just his son who the family has come out and disputed you know. Non family member michigan football players. Who said they told beauchamp boeckler about this and we're disregarded You're gonna have a whole lot of people out there that if the face of michigan football tries to defend this guy or certainly worse than that tries to you know like like some other. People don't question the credibility of the people bringing these four that. That's not going to go well so i don't I don't pretend to know how that's gonna play out But you know to me that to me that's more. I guess you can take down the statue and you can rename the football building. Those things to me are symbolic. It's how does michigan football deal with this. This you know drastic Trap this this tragedy and how it's impacted the legacy of the guy who is the base of Was the michigan football for so long. You know penn state in many ways is still dealing with that or has been for a long time in terms of you know they brought in james franklin who has no Connection to that era and who has for years had to deal with the fact that they're still a fraction of that fan base. I don't know how big it is. That still reveres. Joe paterno and you know Resents that he does things differently than joe paternity to cetera et cetera. So this is going to impact michigan football. I think for a long time all right. Well we've run out of time for this week. We will open the mail bag next week. I'm sure you guys have a lot of questions about the playoff. Our encourage you to go on the athletic where we've written eight gazillion articles about the playoff including a qa nicole. Our back and i did with the subscribers and answered a lot of those questions. But we'll see next time.

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Ray C. Anderson Foundation

Weather Geeks

35:19 min | 1 year ago

Ray C. Anderson Foundation

"As geeks, we can do a lot to help our environment by doing the little things by using less water brush. Our teeth are using receivable bags instead of plastic bags while I think grocery store. But as individuals, it's hard for us to make that large impact on the well-being planet. That's where businesses and corporations can step into me leaders in combating climate change the race the Anderson Foundation is based on the values of creating a better world for tomorrow's child through encouraging businesses to. Take Action John Deere is the Executive Director of the foundation. We're going to talk about his family ties to this wonderful effort John. Thank you for joining us on the weather podcasts. My pleasure. Thank you for having Marshall and it's really an honor to have you because You know we've we've been colleagues have worked together in recent years and I'm so excited for the weather geeks listeners to hear all about the work that you're doing and climate and to help save our planet. I usually start off with guests by asking how the heck did you get interested in weather because we tend to have our weather and climate folks but I'm GonNa Fairy that old? How did you end up as the executive director of the racy? Anderson Foundation. I I'm lucky soul. That's the best answer I suppose I can give but I'll give you the full context here. We are a family foundation and our namesake Ray Anderson who story I can I can share with your audience WanNa here we're GONNA get all into it for all right. All right. Well, yeah. When he passed away in twenty eleven, he was a successful businessman and had a sizable estate. He left the foundation, the bulk of his estate and his family was then empowered to give his money away to support the sorts of. Causes that most closely aligned with what he stood for and what he represented I am one of five grandchildren fortunate to be able to say that and my professional background before joining the foundation was as a tax attorney which in the nonprofit world or are useful skills. So I was very fortunate that that my family, my mother, my father, my aunt, my uncle who are the trustees of this foundation asked me if if I'd be interested in running the day-to-day operations at this grant making foundation and the last seven and a half years. With the foundation has has been incredibly rewarding I, get to combine. My Passion for the environment with a field philanthropy where you support others that are so deeply rewarding. So it's been a joy for me. You. You heard some of Jon Lear's background, but let me give you some of his official background. John Linear is the executive director of the racy Anderson. Foundation his grandfather is the pioneering environmental co that changed the game. As you noted, and his he mentioned he's an assault previously associate attorney with Sutherland ask Bill Brennan LP specializing in US federal taxation is a member of the twenty fourteen class of the Institute for Georgia. Environmental leadership, any of the be a in history and economics from the University of Virginia. So clearly, John Your background is quite tailor made for what you're doing and you mentioned racy Anderson I want to sort of pause here and spend some time on on your grandfather because people may not know who he is when people may know who he is. But if they don't know he is they may have walked on his product. Pioneer. In an industry that perhaps some don't think about being environmentally sensitive or sound, but he paved the way for what I would say is environmental industrialism. So tell us tell us in all of the listeners about racy Anderson, foundation and why why we all know who he is. It's my favorite story to tell my grandfather. He was a small town Georgia boy and it was a football scholarship that allowed him to go to college he he went to Georgia tech and was a very. Successful student there, and after graduating in nineteen, fifty six, set out to climb the corporate ladder in the in the textile space. But he had an entrepreneur's heart. It was just core to who he was and it was on a business trip in the late nineteen sixties where he saw for the first time, the idea that would allow him to become that entrepreneur. He saw carpet tile for the first time, and at that point, most commercial floor covering really most most floor covering carpet space. Around the world was was broadly big rolls of carpet that would be cut to fit the shape of the room. But race saw carpet tile half meter by half meter squares of carpet, and he realized that was the future that internal spaces we're going to want to have the flexibility that removable carpet tiles would offer either to selectively replace them one get stained or worn or to be able to access wiring and the floors as office spaces we're going to big wide open floor plans. So he bet the farm and started a company that came to be called interface in nineteen seventy-three. And scratched and clawed is any entrepreneur has to and found success. So by nineteen, eighty-three interface was able to go public and the capital inflow from the IPO. Expand. Globally. Buying up other carpet companies and by nineteen ninety, four interface had grown to be a six hundred million dollars a year in sales company, and it was the largest manufacturer of carpet tile a truly global industrial company that by every metric of success at the time was wildly successful. But nineteen ninety four was an important year from grandfather. He was sixty years old. And the company had started to receive questions from a from customers about what they were doing for the environment. The sales team didn't have good answers to that. My grandfather didn't have a good answer. It was well, we're complying with environmental law isn't that enough? But. They realized that wouldn't satisfy the environmentally conscious consumers that that they hoped would buy their product. So the company put together a Task Force to answer the question what should interface do for the environment my grandfather was asked to give the kickoff speech for that Task Force. And he didn't know what to say. So desperate for inspiration, he picked up a book that had serendipitous Lee been left on his desk. The book was called the Ecology of commerce written by Paul Hawkins and he read it straight through in one night and I cannot impress a enough upon the audience that this was a deeply emotional experience. He was moved to tears because the book. It charged business and industry businesses just like his as the primary culprit in the environmental degradation that the world has seen for the past decades, but it also said. That business and industry is the only sector large enough well, enough organized and capitalized to fundamentally solve the environmental challenges that we have business and industry must lead. And for my grandfather, it was as if somebody had held up a mirror to his company and for the first time, he saw dark side and he could never unsee it that his business was far from sustainable. He had never heard the term before, but he realized the importance of IT businesses like his would one day have to be run in A. Way such that they did no harm and he dedicated himself for the last seventeen years of his life to transforming his company and through the example of his company hoping to transform the entire industrial world to begin pursuing a deep authentic commitment to environmental sustainability. So he was the first publicly traded CEO to take a stand on the environment at his business. And we're all we're all as a citizens of the earth better for because of his actions I truly believe that and as I've gotten to know more and read your book, which will talk about a little bit later as well. It's really amazing. The influence he had and how he led others. Now you've got something on your website and I want to read it to the listeners is carbon neutrality is good and going further by pursuing carbon negative technologies and solutions solutions is even better. Now, I think this is a good point for me to sort of let the foundation know that you have move from sort of a broader set of environmental sort of focus with your grandfather's efforts and even with your foundations to a real sharp focus on climate change. Why is why is the foundation stepping up on climate change and we're GonNa talk about some of the ways than which you are. But what what was the sort of moment that you realize you wanted to really move on this issue? I'd say it was in two, thousand sixteen. We were having an advisory board meeting with our foundation that had our trustees as well as some of the the friends and inspirations of my grandfather real titans in the Environmental Sustainability Movement, we're all together in a room talking about the success our foundation had had up to that point and perhaps what what more we should be doing and our advisory board really challenged us to think about what we can do on the issue of climate. They did that because it's the one issue within environmental sustainability broadly that we have to get. Right. It doesn't matter if we figure out how to solve plastic pollution and if we can figure out how to. Promote biodiversity and better ways. We can figure out a healthier foods for our communities There are so many of these issues that if we get them right, but we get climate wrong. Then were in just as much trouble as if we had never gotten those other things right in the first place, it's the ultimate umbrella issue within climate. And we saw that we understood it we started to ask ourselves the question. How can we do the most good on this issue? We can't solve it all ourselves. No one can. But where can we make the biggest difference on the issue of our time? I think that's a really important point and you mentioned carbon neutral and carbon negative John could you because our listeners of weather geeks are all over the place but many of them are weather, this weather fans and so forth and all of the sustainability and environmental, and maybe a little foreign to them. So can you just give us a one on one on the concept of carbon neutral or carbon negative from your perspective sure and I have to say that I've. Learned quite a bit about this myself in in the past four, five years or so. To me, it's it's it's a numbers game. It's we're talking about accounting, but instead of accounting for a money were counting carbon when. Any any individual, any family, any community certainly any business really at any scale. When it exists when operates in the world that we live in there are going to be emissions of greenhouse gases associated with whatever they do as an individual I hop in my electric vehicle and and I drove it to the office today good for me that there were no direct emissions from my battery powered vehicle, but the car was manufactured years ago and Fossil fuels were burned to make that happen the power that charge my batteries, fossil fuels. We're used to make that happen the food that I eat fossil fuels are omitted in our agricultural systems. So when you when you take a wide view of again any scale and you look for all of the carbon that went into the atmosphere because you operate it, well, that's your footprint. And if you can reduce that footprint. Or go beyond that in even exist and operate in a way where less carbons in the atmosphere because of how you operate. then. You put up, you can become carbon negative again, it's accounting. So it would be like you had a checking account with a thousand dollars to start and you could pull ten dollars from it every month eventually you're going to run out you have to find ways to either pull less than ten dollars a month. What if you took five dollars you've reduced your draw on what if you replenished dollars in that checking account, you could even start adding the value of it. The analogy tracks perfectly for this. So carbon-neutral and eventually carbon negative. Operations our products or anything just means that there is no more carbon in the atmosphere on a full analysis of of what happened because of. That product that that service whatever. Or carbon negative. There's actually less carbon than the atmosphere so. That's why I use the analogy of finances that something I think everybody can relate to. We all understand the value of a dollar bill while we can think of of climate much the same way as we have a carbon budget, just like we have our own personal budgets. And we are back on the weather. GEEKS podcast I'm Dr Marshall. Shepherd. From the University of Georgia I'm speaking with John Lanier, who's the executive director of the racy Anderson Foundation. And we're talking now about the ways that the sort of routes if you will of. racy Anderson's legacy as a pioneer in environmentalism within. A heavy industry has now sort of followed through with the racy Anderson Foundation, which is led by John Linear and shout out to all of his family members are wonderful people that I've had a chance to meet and members of your board, and so forth we appreciate what you're doing for the planet. I WANNA now get into the specifics of what you're doing in terms of attacking this climate change climate crisis as many call, and we recently had Dr Marilyn Brown who's part of the core team as am I on the Georgia drawdown initiative. But I know there are many things that you're doing Georgia drawdown. You've funded the Georgia got in the Georgia climate project off the ground. We're GONNA talk a little bit later about the Ray. But let's talk about and you can go in any order just your portfolio things that you're doing to address the climate crisis. Sure. Yeah. We're. We felt that as grant makers wanting to advance ray Anderson's legacy that we shouldn't spread ourselves too thin that we should have core flagship initiatives that we that we support that can have more significant of an impact and actually the first one of these was to support Georgia tech and their business school. It's it's where my grandfather went. He loved his Alma Mater and we fund the racy Anderson Center for Sustainable Business and the folks who run that center have done a tremendous work to have outreach to businesses and help them think through all of the ways that they can be more environmentally friendly. But certainly, that includes ways that they can make. A difference on climate they're also partners in drawdown Georgia. As you mentioned, we have supported the Bio Mimicry Institute to do an entrepreneurship challenge bio mimicry for any listeners who haven't heard. The term is a design discipline where you ask the question, how does how does nature solve the problem I'm trying to solve and nature is the best teacher it has figured out how to make stuff and to exist in community better than humans have, and there's so much that we can learn an entrepreneurs around the globe are looking to nature to understand how to make things better how to have the next breakthrough product or innovation were proud to support them. Then we come to to Georgia in particular where we are and where we feel our network is the the richest and you mentioned the ray. I? I suppose I should I should say now what it is and how it came to be agree lose sure because it's one of our flagship initiatives as well. The Ray is a highway project we were honored to have a portion of interstate. Eighty five in West Georgia it connects my grandfather's birthplace west point Georgia, right on the border with Alabama to lagrange Georgia eighteen miles up the road where he founded interface. So we were honored that that the state legislature put his name on this interstate, but it was my aunt Harriet Langford who was the one to say, Oh, my goodness we just put the greenest industrialists name on a dirty highway. Daddy wouldn't like this. So under her leadership, we created the Ray standalone nonprofit to work on making this eighteen miles of interstate the prototypical highway of the future Would it look like if this interstate worst sustainable much like my grandfather asked, what would it look like if his industrial manufacturing company were sustainable and the answers to that have been tremendous, they have identified technologies. So diverse from bio sequestering crops could be planted in the right of ways of the interstates. To pavement that can be solar panels, drive on solar panels, and they're demonstrating these technologies right ear in Georgia and it dovetails perfectly with our newfound focus on climate because their vision is highway. Highway system with with zero deaths. Certainly, you don't want people dying on a highway you can't call it sustainable if that's the case, zero waste but zero carbon as well. We should find ways to make our transportation systems zero carbon. So they have been a a a tremendous example of how you can solve multiple environmental problems at the same time with climate being wanted them, and then our most recent thing drawdown. Georgia which. You've been such an important part in bringing this to life. It's in many respects our forth, big initiative where we want to focus on what it would take for the entire state of Georgia to achieve carbon neutrality and go beyond to be carbon sequestering as I was talking about before. And could you because again I know we have adequate listeners. Fall was closely but drug drawn Georgia effort. Can emerged out of the broader climate drown drawdown effort which new. Paul. Hawkins which you mentioned earlier was a part of. So could you sort of orient the listeners to the sort of the broader drawdown concept and then how non drawn on Georgia came to be absolutely so this is This is such an what I view as an elegant origin story for drawdown Georgia because the roots are in project, draw down a nonprofit that a number of years ago started with a question they wanted to know and Paul Hawkins was the founder. What things that humanity is already doing? Can do the most to reverse global warming if we just scaled the the tools that we already have at our disposal like led lighting. Plant rich diets like building retrofits like regenerative agriculture and educating girls in the developing world. All of these, the scientists can show us the carbon reduction potential how M- how much less carbon will be in the atmosphere if we just do more of these things, but we didn't have an apples to apples comparison, which of those can do the most where's our best bang for our buck in terms of carbon reduction potential and they did the research and looked at the one hundred most substantive solutions to reverse global warming and their findings were shocking to many. Yes. Much like you would expect solutions like rooftop solar panels and utility. Solar were very impactful, very beneficial, top ten technologies but number five on their list was tropical forest preservation and restoration number. One on their list was refrigerant management figuring out how to make sure all of the the greenhouse gases that we put into our air conditioners refrigerators don't leak and go out and into the atmosphere number number three and number four were reduced food waste and plan rich diets food related things who has been talking about the potential for food to make a difference on this issue. So it changed the game in how people conceived of climate action. There's so much more that we can and should be doing. But project drawdown did not in cannot a tell any region what they're most substantive solutions are again if I look to that top ten list and I said, I'm a Georgian this is where I can make a difference. Let's look to the top ten list. Well, tropical forests number five aren't GonNa do any good here. So you're left with an obvious question what does our list of substantive solutions look like what would it be like if we ran the numbers did the math on carbon reduction potential for solutions here in Georgia? That's what drawdown Georgia is, and it's the the research that's been led by by you and others at the University of. By folks, Georgia, tech and emory university, and with other partner organizations and institutions that are helping to answer that question and it's really just a starting point to then see the solutions actually scale. And we are back on the weather podcasts. I'm Dr Marshalls Shepherd from the University of Georgia speaking with John Deere from the racy Anderson Foundation and just talked about drown George, which is a really pioneering effort I think it's really nation leading and its focus and its source specific drill down of the project drawdown concept on a regional scale, and as as you're listening to this, it's probably October no. There's a big week that's going to be happening the during this month John Tell us a little bit about about what's going on in in the drawn week if I think it's been called. It's our it's our official launch of of drawdown Georgia and again this is many partners in helping to make this happen so. I'll share a few things that will happen beginning October seventeenth. Going for the full following week, we want this to be the first chance for a wide range of audiences to engage with what drawdown Georgia is. Again, it's it's research, but that's the starting point. It's really a hope becomes a movement for climate action in the state of Georgia that crosses a whole host of lines. We want this to be a movement that is diverse that has different sectors perspectives whether it's the tree farms down in south Georgia or the mid level managers businesses right here in the heart of Atlanta everybody has a seat at the table of winning the race to a low-carbon future and Georgia can win that race. So the week will consist of a number of of water called civic dinners. It's an organization here in Georgia that allows people to have deep and authentic conversations about issues that matter and so given Cova. These will happen in virtual setting, but we invite people to go to draw down G. A. DOT ORG drawdown G. A. Dot Org, and sign up. On on the list there for a civic dinner to participate in a conversation with eight to ten people about the different solution sectors that draw down Georgia highlights we have electricity solutions. We have natural sinks a forestation and coastal wetland preservation. We have transportation solutions we have food and agriculture solutions. We have building in material solutions and each of these dinners one per night. Throughout the week, we'll focus on what is possible within these sectors and allow people to to dig in and really engage in an meaningful authentic way. So throughout the week we want people to to understand the solutions, but beyond just the solutions to. Have conversations about the things beyond carbon that solutions bring to the table. This is a critical component. Of Drown. Georgia that when we scale solutions, we can yes help reverse global warming but also advance equity. Advance economic development opportunities, inclusive economic development opportunities generate better human health outcomes and to preserve our natural environment in a whole host of ways. So the very beginning of drawdown week will be a dinner that explores in particular the connection points to equity and Nathaniel Smith from the Partnership for southern equity will give our opening keynote because if we don't do this for the least advantaged people's in our communities than we are not doing it right So I want people to really understand those connections between equity and climate and how important it is right here, Georgia. I love, Daniels going to be doing annual on I just recently had were pointed to the board of the. Organization I S C so I'm looking forward to getting to know him better in his work. Recently published a book. John Tell us about it. Yeah. It was one of the honors of my lifetime because I I tell people I wrote a book. But the honest answer is I wrote half a book my grandfather wrote two books in his life and the first one in nineteen ninety eight was called midcourse correction. It was just four years into his journey as an environmentalist so he wrote from the standpoint of reflecting back. Towards a what interface had accomplished in those early years. But primarily, he was looking forward he created his vision of what he wanted interface to become. He called it the Prototypical Company of the twenty first century. and. A couple of years ago we were honored to be able to republish this book in our publisher. Chelsea Green thought that there was a retelling of the story that was possible that we could lightly edit father's original seven chapters, and then I wrote six additional chapters that brought the story present where was interface on its journey towards becoming this prototypical company of the twenty first century what were lessons learned but then also looking forward once again, just as my grandfather did twenty something years ago to say what's next and what I realized we need is not just prototypical companies. Of the twenty first century but also a prototypical economy of the twenty first century, which may be a new thought for your listeners. But to me, it's such a critical question of how humans will live on planet earth is how can we redesign our economy? and. The two biggest drivers of what will determine our we successful in creating a truly just inclusive and sustainable economy or not. are, how well, we respond to two big stimuli that are coming in the rest of this century. One of them is climate change, and so I wrote about how that is one of the most pressing opportunities as well as challenges that the business world faces and the other is resource scarcity and the solution. There is what is now known as the circular economy figuring out how to redesign our entire economic systems to look more like nature exists in a circular way without waste and without reliance upon fossil fuels that we extract. So that was the purpose of the book to give that that the storytelling that my grandfather brought to the table to retell that story and then look ahead once again. To what needs to really happen at the intersection of business and the environment. And give our listeners the name of the book and where they can. Thank you midcourse correction revisited and it can be found on Amazon will probably be your best bet but we also have. Our Own web page for it and I would love for people to call their local bookstores and see if they carry the book. No Kind of start to wrap things up, and we sit by the way that when we start to see the business community, the faith based communities in the military really starting to grapple with and deal with climate crisis I thought we'd see a shift in perception about this notion of Climate Change Inc we're starting well into seeing the demise of the skeptic denial is moving i. just saw some data even just. This morning that suggests that seventy two percent of Americans believe that we need to take action on climate and so it's encouraging that organizations like yours are leading the way. Now, what are your final thoughts? John, as we wrap up the podcast that you liked to leave with as you think about where we're headed as a people wear foundations headed and where we all need to be added on these topics. To answer that, I want to speak to the mindset that. Have when they care about environment and and climate change in particular, it is so easy to fixate on the negative the scope of our problems, how many people are suffering not just will suffer but are suffering and how daunting a task we face to reverse global warming I, get it I see all of that but my belief and I don't think there's a person on the planet that can shake me of this belief is that. positivity and optimism yields bigger and better results, and so I'm not I'm not selling anybody a pipedream here. I encourage folks when they think about the challenges that we face to look for the. Decide in climate in particular, we don't just have the opportunity to create a stable climate avert the catastrophes that that my children will inherit. My young children will turn eighty, four and eighty two at the end of this century. They will probably see every bit of climate change in the twenty first century. Yes I want to avert catastrophe for them. But I also see the opportunity to create a fundamentally better world if we are successful with drawdown Georgia, if we see draw as a mindset scale, then you see solutions that deliver a whole host of benefits and the future that my eighty, four year old and eighty, two year old daughter and son will grow old and will be one that is more just with better economic opportunities that are more sustainable but build community and give better human health outcomes. We should focus on how much there is take gain by this work not just how much there is to lose. And, that's that's amazing advice to end on John where can people find you or your foundation on social media or the Internet? So I encourage people to follow along with our foundations. Twitter handle, and that's raise legacy at raise legacy and I'm at John. A. Lanier r C. A. F. But then our website, we encourage people to sign up for a newsletter sign up for my weekly blog that's called Ekos intracity and you can go to racy Anderson Foundation Dot Org for that. And there you go. But before we end every podcast, we love to highlight of scientists weather enthusiasts in this episode. Geek of the week is Richard. DEMEO are Demayo. Richard has a wide range of experience in meteorology including aviation, broadcasting and teaching. He's currently an instructor for the Institute of Environmental. Sustainability at Loyola University in Chicago and he also oversees the aviation. Meteorology permanent. Louis University when it comes to whether there are no short conversations. With Richard metoo Richard He left discussing anything aviation related and even urban heat islands which I can also relate to because source research has been if you'd like to learn more about his his work checkout Loyola University's website for more details congratulations Richard this week's Geek of the week. If you'd like to nominate a geek of the week, check out our social media pages, John Thank you so much for joining us on the weather podcasts. I pleasure. Marshall. Thank you for being a colleague friend and a teacher. Going in there with those words and I appreciate themselves on. Dr Marshall. Shepherd from the University of Georgia. T. Next. Time Pawn.

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The Evolution of Virginia Basketball and the Art of the Altercation with Justin Anderson

Titus & Tate

1:19:45 hr | 1 year ago

The Evolution of Virginia Basketball and the Art of the Altercation with Justin Anderson

"Today's subsidized today. We are talking with University of Virginia Basketball Legend. I'll say legend all use. The L word just Anderson. He's he joined us for a pretty long discussion. We got into it about Bennett. Ball the rise of Tony Bennett. The Virginia Win in the national change of I keep asking guys Basically argue annoyed that your Alma Mater. One after you left I. That's a common question. I ask guys never says No. Everyone's like I'm very happy for them. Absurd into feel like date. Maybe I'm the only person the world that has that train of thought it's a very one and done train of thought during my year. We didn't do it so I'm good on that but I kinda. I respect the fact that he was incited and Justin Anderson. I mean he's one of those guys that I dream that would go to Carolina but they took jp Tokyo and said you remember that and He terrorized on we. We did a thing with him. Where we went through all the altercations. He's been in his career and we had him explain. Why it is the is gets all these altercations. That was pretty funny because you just got to see him slowly realizing like yeah I do kinda mix it up a lot. But but the funniest part though is that it's like not all his fault so trying to try to rationalize how can you get in so many altercations? But it always not be your fault. What's going on here? Was it was a fun exercise. I it's it's a sign of right logic wrong. Place de happens to be the wrong place. A few too many times on a basketball court We're GonNa talk about the NBA. Come back maybe a little bit of time Bobby Hurley Story. He's got a little beef gone with his death. Arctic Record Arizona State it is an absolute. It's your we're to get to all I would. Durham all right day before. Get into the Bobby Hurley situation. Which I know anytime. A coach K. Disciples. You're you're I WANNA I congratulate my sister She had a baby this week date her second child. I have another niece that has been brought to the world. In under normal circumstances I would not mention this. It's not exactly worth mentioning other than yeah. It's just not worth many. What there is some controversy tate and I WANNA get your thoughts on this. So the baby was born Tuesday nights slash Wednesday morning. The official time that it was born was midnight Wednesday morning And they obviously my. My sister went into Labor before the she went into Labor. Deny she went to the hospital Tuesday night in her mind. She had the baby Tuesday night. The baby officially comes out on the DOT at midnight. The nurses in the room after the fact explain that the clock in the delivery room is actually a little fast my sister. My brother-in-law are of the belief that the baby's birthday should be Tuesday that was born like at eleven fifty eight eleven fifty nine Tuesday The the official birth certificate says Wednesday morning. It has become a massive controversy in our family. I'm asking questions of I. I'm saying review the tape. I'm asking like wind. There are a lot of questions. Where does where does? Where do you stand on this and then also like win? Win is a baby born in the first place. Is it like a touchdown situation where it crosses any part of across the plane? Is it like soccer. That the hall Ho Ball has to be out of bounds for be. I think the whole Baugh baby has to be out and it's funny because as you say this my brother and his wife announced that they're going to have another daughter so we're both going to have to these. So this is what is going on in the world I think the baby has to be completely out. We have to confirm that. The baby is healthy And then we say the baby is born to. The baby was born on Wednesday and confirmed Boorda Woods. Okay all right because I said cutting the court. I think that that's a pretty. You can't dispute that. It's like whatever the whatever the scissors that's how it works right just use get like some substandard office supply a cut it. That's what I thought it was but apparently it is with a full babies out but yeah there's a big controversy. My brother in law is very adamant about celebrating the birthday on Tuesday Twenty I believe it's the twenty six then. My sister says her birthday will be the twenty seventh so that this is going to be fun. This baby is going to have a fun life every first round two birthdays. I mean that's that's true. Going to be a double double birthday party so anyway. That is a enough that we have to talk about Bobby Hurley. Take so newsbreaks. This week that Bobby. Hurley December sent an email to his athletic director. Ray Anderson about we remember the story. There's a booster enters. The state was basically sexually harassing slash. Allegedly sexually assaulted where reform the spectrum of of what was going on. Disturbing behavior was just very disturbing creepy behavior towards the wives. The wives of a Amazon staffers including Bobby Hurley's wife including Hurley's wife so they address the situation Anderson. The Athletic Director Apparently Tells Hurley. It's going to be taken care of. And then the next game happens and this booster is sitting very close to the core making everyone uncomfortable yet again so hurley sent an email basically saying what the hell's going on here and it's it's very. I don't know aggressive. We'll say a through a freedom of Information Act. Y'All who believes finds this email of course publishes all the details says this is going on and then tries to turn into a thing and Bobby Hurley released a statement this week. This is my relationship with athletic director. Ray Anderson today is strong we will work together. Alongside Mild Standing Coaching staff towards the continued success supplements basketball which to me read like a statement. Says I hate this guy so much. It is the exact statement you put out when you're like I hate this guy and I'm GonNa Overdo it on purpose my statement So there's trouble in paradise state because Arizona State. They're on they're on. They're on the come up. Just wait till Bobby Hurley gets his recruits in their what. This is your to him. You're third third here. He's only he's just got higher. I'll let him get his recruits. Their Amazon state has a good thing going. But now all this other trouble trouble in paradise right because Bobby Hurley. As we've talked about plenty of times he is. Mr December and trouble happened during the paradise of December was December Seventh. So while he's on his throne while he is taking over. College basketball. Not Losing Games watching Martin shots or maybe we're on the floor. He's also dealing with this. He even mentions in one of those emails like it was directed the athletic director's daughter and wife. How how we feel about it. It's about a sliding scale. He granted tour three on a scale as far as what he deemed to be disturbing. That wasn't great And like you said just the idea of scale not ever mind the three but like just the scale in general of on scale of one to ten. How no one's ever like you know that. That's not what we want to see. This puts. We talked about it. We texted off. When I saw the story it puts a weird spin on all the positive stuff that's going on. Hurley would have made the tournament three straight years. They got top recruits coming in It was all spinning the right way. I on a state and now this whole story you could see some programs that probably one top coach Bobby Hurley. Maybe reaching out devolve early and saying. Hey you don't Wanna deal with disturbing behavior from boosters at your school why don't you come to USC not a? Why don't you come you know? Do I mean we can listen? A myriad of schools may be duke in three years But Bobby Hurley. I think this being public opens the door for people to try to recruit him which I think is interesting. Well it which is how I see this plane out. That's that's how I see this which is a bomber because for all the jokes. We like to make about Bobby and boy. Do we like making those shows I have paid more attention to Arizona State basketball in the last few years than I have in my entire life. Probably and it's not just because Bobby Hurley is Bobby Hurley. Like they're actually. It's not just empty calories in and we love the Mr Similar thing and he does have a knack for getting very very hot December and then just fading once. starts but in general the job he is doing. I think you have to agree that he's doing a great job yesterday. Like he's making them relevant. He's they`re. They're winning more often than were accustomed to seeing Arizona State Basketball Program win and it just felt like I don't think I I. I don't think there's anybody that thought. When he took this job that he was going to retire at Arizona. State but Anytime you see a guy like kind of building something like this you start thinking like may maybe could. Maybe there's something here. Maybe this is a long term player. But Yeah I'm with you. I think this is the the beginning of the end of the State Bobby Hurley relationship. And that doesn't mean. I think it's going to happen before next season. That doesn't mean it's going to happen in the next two years but I think the clock is now ticking on bobby early exit or or maybe not. Maybe maybe athletic director. Maybe Anderson leaves but I I am not buying statement whatsoever. My relationship is strong. We will work together You can't send those emails and have that I I don't know I just don't think you can come back from that all that you can't you can't unring that bell of basically emailing your your boss saying what the Hell is going on here. I don't think that bill and I think Yeah the clock is now ticking. But it's just a matter of of win at this point right and there's a there's a countersuit going on with the booster. He he suing for damages. Up The five million dollars at this point saying that it was all overblown and all this sort of stuff as well. So like this thing is going to draw out this is going to be a continued story and To be quite honest with you if I was air zone was the wildcats and I saw this whole playing out in it. I know that I have a lot of heat on me with with the incidental. A our own code for Shawn Miller. Why not go? Try to poach bobby early. So you WANNA stay in this television and the premier program. That's a Blueblood. I mean why not why not. That's what I think will happen with this though. I think it's just this is so that Y- private this story Legitimately dirty laundry that comes out as public. Who knew that we all you had to do is do a freedom of Information Act. We didn't have to ask people to sit a stories. All you gotTa do is ask the public records request at least emails. Yes please we need to see the tapes and Bobby Hurley. After we've seen the tapes I think he is one of the top coaches on the list for people you want to reach out to. I mean we saw the under forty list of Westville. Our number one is that much. Hope for guys to come save a program. I think Bobby Hurley is one of those guys. I don't even think Dan Hurley's one of those guys at Uconn but I think bobby is like I said there's a like a school like have. Ucla didn't get Mick Cronin last year. And they're still wound with Steve Off. You're trying to keep him out less really all. I think that was because my mind immediately. Anytime coach K. disciples news anytime. I started to sniff a divorce between the coach k. Disciple and the school that he's at my mind is going towards what? Where does he fall into coach? K. successor power rankings. We have an updated those in a while by the way. Should we do this? How do we see this right now? Because I think Bobby Hurley might be at the top of the list right now as you not. Who How do you see your better at this than I am? Where what is the coach k? Successor as of today if coach K. announced today Corona virus situation has be freaked out. I just I've done a lot of thinking and I think I'm just GONNA hang up now. I'M GONNA turn it over to you guys want to hire. Where does it go? Who who is the number one guy on the list? The number one guy on the list I think is I'll start with three. I think there's a top. Three number three is is capable at. Pittsburgh and he's doing the ACC You know let let's see if I can build it somewhere else can build a stalwart. Acc to prove myself you coach k. That I can do this. Ike recruited this level. Whatever whatever that's number three number two is Bobby Hurley. The better version of cable any e comes at Duke he has not been in the ACC he is not tainted his image within the ACC comes. Clean it doesn't have the stench of the Oklahoma exit evacuation. Yeah yeah there's not. There's not all the hang ups that come with with the cable re entry into the Duke. Seen Right Bobby Hurley calms. I Remember Volley Bobby Hurley. Remember late near the those of the Duke Teams People Endure of love so much he comes in and and clean things up but number one is simple in its for legacy and that's what coach k. Cares about this bill. We're talking about this is coach K.'s. Empire this is not do helps K. puts the K. In do it just should just be K. And let me just tell you what he wants he wants Larry. Brown has the dean. Smith is coaching tree. He wants the idea that someone can win in the pros and the winning knowledge. I know where you're going with this in the guy that can do that and he has a player in Utah. Donovan Mitchell in the team. That could be built to make a run for title out. West depending on how you feel about the Utah Jazz. When Snyder has always been number one and I think coach K. loves Quin Snyder because Quin Snyder doesn't want to be number one and everyone everyone likes. Who got away. You know what I mean. Everyone's like it was going to call him. What's talked to Kuwaiti? Let's Talk Strategy and I think if when was able to win in the NBA and then come back to college and when it do get that Larry Brown check mark. B The second guy to do that coach k. Has Coaching Tree is? He's passing Smith all across the board in his mind and he's done you can rest in peace. I like it I think I think you're you're onto something happened. What about Whoa Jello? Whoa Joe I feel like the last time we did. This is probably probably well over a year to be honest with you. Would you probably at the top of the list? Well they're four and five right calendar toward your four and five and I think they both like you said with Bobby Hurley. They You know. Put the flag down and said. I'm mark basketball I Love Chris Farley Chris Collins Casey saying we went to the incidentally tournament that one time you guys remember that please believe stay there dark ends an amateur. Have to be off the list at this point. Are they old? Have they been around through lot like you? Don't walk INS is off the list. I think anchor a chance just because he's doing at Harvard. What you have to do it do yeah so I think he's playing the same system and then I would say shire is way too young. They're not going to get the shire anytime soon. But like coach k. Is Not going to retire anytime soon. So I like right now. Shires very low on the list. But what about a world where I for twelve for the next twelve years K Still Koji and Shire is suddenly like forty five and he's been an assistant coach for the last fifteen years. Maybe shires maybe mix shows you what you like Mike White so you always throw Mike White's name out but that's that's the Kevin One. Obviously but that that kid that's not going to be the successor right. Yeah he's the guy after the guy. If nepotism works at Duke what we think it may There's a chance that Kevin. Why call the shots and have coach k? Is that far removed? Let's say quit. Snyder's just not call him back he still chasing the NBA dreams. Will Chris or done capable final? Pittsburgh Bobby Hurley. Said you know some other big time school. And he's at Texas or something he was like. I don't I don't WanNa go back to do. I'm good thing coach. Baby says Kevin. It's your pick Yeah you know and you got your Guy Mike White. He goes up there but yeah it's definitely going to be coach. K.'s. Call in so Mike Way is not happening but yeah I think Bobby Hurley might be. I don't know I I. I'm with you Quin Snyder. Probably Number One but if coin. Snyder doesn't want. Is there even all the other guys on the list? I feel like the one hundred I mean capable one hundred percent. One cable wants it early. Wants it on down the on down the line So of the guys that like actually actively want it early might be the number one and it's just a it's a again. I don't expect anything to happen anytime soon. Hurley's to coach some states issue. You might even coach next year. I don't know but I just I don't any anytime athletic director to coach or getting into this. This is not a I. Don't think this relationship this going to last much longer than a year to especially when the fans are all on the side of the coach pretty avidly. They're basically like we love what we're doing. We're recruiting top. Guys are winning games. What's going on here? Like I said the might be Ray Anderson Leaves Arizona State Bobby Hurley sticks around the he he gets to Higher Bobby. Hurley hires his own boss. And he says you're bring a hand. He Goes Bill. O'brien he is the he just takes over the entire program. Yeah so I stay. I'm not trying to. I'm not trying to get rid of Bobby Hurley out of your program. I'm just saying the way the way the power structure currently existed on state. I would bet the House that that's not going to be power structure two years from now. I JUST. I don't I don't see that. That's that's how it's going to work out but I don't know I've been wrong before all right. Let's talk to. Let's talk to Justin Anderson Showy Burr. Manderson Nathanson Yeah. Let's do it are joining us. Now is a university of Virginia legend. He is one of the founding fathers of of the. Tony Bennett will say that. The Tony Bennett era of Virginia basketball I would say it's what's eight Malcolm. Brogden Joe Harris Justin Anderson. Kill Mitchell or those. The four RENTA's may be London. Davey throw parenthesis in there His name is Justin Anderson Justin. I want to start here Your Alma Mater. One Twenty nineteen national title. I just want to get your general thoughts on on how this all played out. Your thoughts is the guy who has I said you were one of the founding fathers. You built this program into its current state and now they win the national title after you graduate. Was there any any sort of resentment where you where did you watch the game? What were your feelings? I'll feel like you deserve a ring. Give us your just overall thoughts on Virginia one in the two thousand nine hundred zero and I mean you just kind of brought back some memories of Paying Michigan for me my Scott Johnson. Those guys those guys really paid the way. They kind of had a slogan they They con the Wa It was the turnaround year. I was young Malcolm Team younger q really young Joe. So those guys really Kinda they they had emission turning around but I came in with the mindset of this is where I'm from my state like they can turn it around when I'm going on a mat so we came in with the same goal in as far as the between one thousand nine hundred who are still ring Jenkins because the grown Iris Those guys were incredible. Like those guys that I helped recruit is so that was kinda sweet in itself so I felt like I was part of it in the sense of like actually knew the guys that knew where hearts and they were really loyal dedicated basketball players and I think that means a lot in the world now because usually guys who wanna come in and make it all about themselves and I wanna go one and done like these guys were on Gaza educated to their process. They all they went through so special connection with me guys. That is well out so I was there at the final four luckily plane in Atlanta in we were Kinda in that. We're at the season. I don't WanNA use tanking but you can with that where you want but at a really cool coach Lloyd Pearson Close we affiliate. I was hearing landon with him as well as I. Your Head Coaching. J. You'd better be gone to the Actually I'll take you back. I didn't know how to ask. How could go to this? Game in Minneapolis. And he breakfast before game. Play Milwaukee Jeddah. Better be going to the game tomorrow. I was like really like I can go is so he agrees to go to fly out there and be be there for for. There are a lot of you guys. They write a lot of the former players. Were were in. Minneapolis for the title game Yeah Me Malcolm Joe Hall in a few of the guys that are. Maybe it's a habit. We were really strong. Yeah that's cool man. That's cool that you guys like all. I don't know I don't need to explain to you. The perception of what Virginia Basketball was before the twenty nineteen title happen. And you guys just all be that family and You know stick behind each other even after the thing I don't know I feel like that was almost a blessing for Virginia. Basketball is like all of the like the narrative of West Virginia basketball became. It's like everyone who was in the program or part of the program. It just made your circle that much tighter than to see you guys all show up at the twenty nine hundred thousand gave state and I were there to we city up. We actually got our tickets and the Virginia section. We're probably sitting not that far from we started pointing out. We saw Malcolm. I know I saw Devon Hall there to I. We just started pointing all the guys. Are there just. How cool was that? I'm not sure if every program would have that but you guys seem to have that. And that's that's one of the coolest things about Virginia thing. It was super worked for us. Because like you said we kind of saw the groundwork that was kinda late to give their name at go you know my curtis unbelievable strict goes obviously. Tv His name his ASS for themselves. But we I was our motive is like we're GONNA get coach a new weight room in the only way they can get a new weight room as if we were national championship. Point hopefully been working on his weight room now but you know we kinda saw everything we have been visioned it for ourselves and it's kind of like I want to play like caring a little bit right on a going. He do something you know you achieve something a High Level ACC championship. We got the chance to be able to accomplish. It will be like all. We're going to go get this championship. We kind of fell short. Have Someone Your family member your child or whatever kind of come up and do editing. You feeling that kind of You replace super proud of those guys demanding to this day like continue. This is something that we could just talk about in for next wiped down yet. You mentioned Family Justin and one of the things that we talked about Once upon a time was that Tony Bennett is very similar to a modern version of Dean Smith. Right needs is had. This controversies this early on people don't like the system. You know there was some some of that that happened with four quarters Carolina. Run up and down the run. Four corners people take Was Cheating the game that way people said that about Tony Bennett in decision. That Virginia was running. Maybe not that far but they were just upset with how they they were playing. But now you see you guys have this podcast together. You guys are all talking to each other. All the time. Coach Bennett is is always hanging out in it. It just seems like Virginia like Duke as the Brotherhood. Carolina has the Carolina family. What is the Virginia version of that? What would you guys call yourselves or is it just a family? And he don't nickname her Monica or a Hashtag or anything like that kind of goes with are also is boring as it comes. I mean we're just support. He is at were band of brothers We don't have any hashtags anything kinda going for ourselves. We're just a bunch of guys who we came together. We were kind of you know use force in we use defense to help us land. We just knew that if we did this together we get we can enjoy the rest of our know being able to bond over championships own wishes cool nicknames early. Bang we have any Becomes much did you guys pay attention to the outside noise a particularly in twenty fifteen when when I think. Twenty fourteen was the breakthrough year for Virginia basketball. When you guys he doesn't want to. Acc that you're right. Yeah Yeah you want you want. Acc twenty four. That was kind of like the put. Been a ball on the map of two thousand. Fifteen was the year you guys like had high expectations. Of course you have the finger injury and we all know how it happened there but throughout that entire season off it was basically like you in Kentucky. The to you guys had to the greatest defenses. I've ever seen and all my. You're watching college basketball. Were basically you in Kentucky that same season and a lot of the narrative around college basketball. That you're was how unwatchable became a lot of it. Was your fault you in particular. You Basically Malcolm Brogden That became like the narrative. College basketball was like you. Malcolm Brogden Willie Cauley Stein. Ruining College basketball. Nobody can score on these guys An in Virginia just the perception of West Virginia basketball was Kinda. Got Out of control. There how much you guys pay attention attention to that you like revel in. This is awesome to see that. Like you're driving all these people in saying that they can't even watch if they feel like you guys are breaking basketball or you just block out all the noise and just focus on winning and that's pretty much it. I mean I remember I think. Put an article the club. Trillion or Yeah right boosted on walkmans crazy. I mean like everything was just fallen into place. Everybody felt a part of it on which I was and I remembered beaten. The apartments Best Friend in college and I remember watching the news. Gaza just like babies ruining basketball. You see article on twitter. These guys are ruining basketball. And at the time we're just twenty one year old guys trying to make it like we're trying to your family's lives we're trying to change our own on not only that where institution that requires so much from you from scholastic standpoint right like finished my degree as we speak in. We're we're doing all of this and for people to just constantly disrespect. We were number will behind the team in Kentucky. Excuse me we're number. Two of them. Were behind the team conflict. Run we're watching. Tv just like please just lose lubes Lube these guys. Obviously that teams town. The second book was coming off the interim tells you a lot But it got to applaud. We were just like yellow. Let's see him like let's figure way to make this thing happen. We wish college basketball work. That way. Obviously schedule's been the line way we need to but at the same time it's like man we're putting in all of this. We're doing all of these lateral slides in practice man. We're doing all of this stuff. Practice athlete disrespect so we kind of took it personally. Put that Shit on shoulder and we were like are human respect what we do now. I think it's Ross. Seen I believe is his name. He always sweets up Virginia basketball a thing of beauty Rusting rusting is a little late to the party. I mean if Tate Nike Patterson justice why this is where we were very early. Adopters to the to the ball. We we loved what we saw. I'm glad you brought up the article. I didn't want to be the one to bring it. Yes as everyone was saying you guys are Breaking College. Basketball's like this is actually amazing. Like I love how Virginia plays on. You guys played so well together. Particularly like twenty fifteen year that was. I don't know it was so fun to follow you. Guys all season and then take night became so invested in Virginia's program and we want to Tony validated. So badly and then it just kept not working out in March. Basically every That's that's part of the reason we were there at the title game was like we sat in the Virginia Were idiots that that that felt like we were somehow invested in this even though it was really no rhyme or reason why we should have been so invested. Yeah I mean it just. It just finally came to play. We just started to like I said use that as a chip on my shoulder man. We just started to finally realise are we talking buys his great. I grew up in Virginia so we will talk to my shots. Seecretary is the individual. Weren't talking about bridging program. You know it's a situation now where we put a program on only for each other so it all makes sense. I wish we could get past Michigan State of the two years in a row. They couldn't handle us. That was a great program they did but you know. Got The radio supposedly champions champions. I WANNA take it back just to the you mentioned me from Virginia and when you were young kid you're in fifth grade you decided the dunk basketball and from there. The legend started to grow up. You decided that's how it worked as you said you know what I might as well just dumped his basketball and let people know what's up And then from day the legend Kinda grew a little bit around you in eighth grade. You know a lot of people. There was a lot of hype. You go to Montrose Christian Academy there's terrence Ross Grievous Vasquez Kevin Durant all these guys. All these names were there. And you know you're an athlete. You're you're known as an athlete. But then you have to kind of grow your game and you earn your role there and you grow into your role and then you decide that. You're going to go to Maryland and Gary Williams is the coach in Maryland at the time. And they're still in the ACC in that whole situation is totally different dared mention Grievous Vasquez. Who was rate at Maryland will? What was that process like growing into the basketball player that you become right? Go from fifth grade all that hype and dealing with that and then obviously dealing with Gary Williams because he's one of our favorites here on the program. There would be so super cool to play for him. I remember him. Grapes always going at it so much energy in that. That's my that's my character like I was like I got to do when I get to do it. So so that would have been able to do but I grew up in a small town Much Rosser Population about eighty four hundred people on even to this town so to get wherever you needed to go. Arms form area was allowed back roads and things like this brought a lot of bikes into the play of dunking. If agree brother was in school bills in the middle of my favorite year in a row for will run off from couldn't necessarily afford the remote front we had the crate. You had the milk crate of necessary. I think that's that's probably the hardest room I've ever shot on issuer but that graduated to get into Ram also that we were super dedicated to playing every day. We got Ram we. Kinda just started succeed dunking different trades and watch it honored on contests and kind of just like trying to emulate things. Were smaller insult jet. Moving out and then fifth grade. We were auxiliary gym at. George Watt is naturally Washington. University was on that now. Drawn a blank. My brothers played in May Washington. University were playing. He was laying. It's another school and joining. Blankets is frustrating. Kind of blacks. We're of auxiliary jam and I remember my house like Y'all go get it like you can do it. I was like Ireland Dry Right Donald Dunkin and I think we both each other. We can do this and everything else. Just kinda history Spent a Lotta time dedicated myself to the crash in. Obviously you've athleticism as long as I could. I had to grow something else in the shortly after the three ball came in. Obviously defense is something that is just a will to warrant is a to on missile. We pair of with Virginia's boring they need so flair. They don't have any athlete. So just go be an athlete there and try to speed them up a little bit and trying to make them more interesting to wash. Kristen the jumping more things can work out the way they did. I'm just picturing the the opening scene of space jam with you. Say you're in fifth grade and you're like I think I'm just GonNa go and you're just looking at the rim and that messed me up space. Jam Messed me up so bad when I was little I watched that movie and I was like I think. I'm just going to be I if I just go out there and I put our Kelly and my headphones in I'll be able to. I'll be able to jump and don't I believe you. That's Zia except for us reality. It's like me. It was kind of Riyadh you mentioned development of Virginia. You're three or guy So we're currently in the part of the the college basketball calendar transfers are the the big thing and and everyone's talking about which programs they're going to and then it becomes like a larger discussion about transfer culture in so many guys are transferring. You feel like a a case where you're the argument for not transferring where you show up. Virginia you don't start right away you end up starting at the end of your freshman year than your software. I think he came off the bench. you're playing time is like kind of a little bit all over the place You're playing behind Joe Harris. He leaves you. You said you retool your jump shot coming into your third year and you turn into first round pick and it seems like you know like that. That is what a lot of the college basketball coaches. That roller is it transfers. Like a guy like you'd be like that is the the moderate there so my question. You justice is transferring. Ever enter your mind when you're you know you're you're your sophomore in your plan behind your your coming off the bench and you know how good you are or is this. Did you foresee this the entire way that you could just develop your game and stick it out like that absolutely a game? The Mind Remembers Muscle Law Year. We got blasted by Tennessee. We talked about this a little bit on our casts in London. He was the Gordon that we needed in going into this season. We just kind of went off. What happened last year and We knew Malcolm's working on His hammered relentlessly and we knew Malcolm wanted to try to show that he could be appointed so he can help his back. Then Malcolm Tuesday Malcolm a little bit ease up but he still stressed out about making being eligible back then. Malcolm was suber locked enemy. He's probably lacking been around in everyday. He's working his handiwork. In San got complete. I WANNA MAKE. Insulin are will let this year is the year to prove it. You'll play line Joe. BIG ORLANDO. Go to see. They just show how just not. We're not ready to play that one at all in London's just a freshman in his Kelly pace was perfect at the opposition in our office because he hasn't dogs wing next time to get after the so for me are to that to that really like offensive. I was like here. I am Kinda take an insulin. This university taking a chance on this program to be from here and come here and use it up. After leading Maryland in control for Jason La Costa recruiting me in that moment he realized that McCain Kinda went on be caught a little bit because I started to be my own head. I knew Burnett Coupla the big time schools that I won't mention because obviously Virginia her into pop song to me in my pops like well. You know there's this one team that that that they're dying. Have you like they keep calling? They WanNa Championship the year before. So you know. Who's you know? They are hungry. I'LL GIVE A. They were hungry. Ima- you know. What like their athletes. It just came across not. I'm not one that's going to run away from any type of competition. I'm not witness. Go wrong with any type of versity on which to me. I haven't had to experience Montrose. Waves in anywhere in my playing career. So this is so actually this actually change everything once I realize it's six million a year trophy in. Acc Awhile Nice it kind of all once. I realize like you know what I'm GonNa do advocating to feed in and I just put myself in a position to say I'm GONNA do whatever it takes for. This seem me Anthony Gill action. We're going through the same thing. At that time we just would be like. Yo should be dolls. The Bachelor sticking this thing out shortly after this war came. They called me one day. It was like get your finalists and they just wanted. I was like okay. That was never my old on. It was cool to be able to go through that kind of path that experience and it helped me because now I'm in the NBA. The constant down in the cost. You have to be the fifteen may one year in San of Maine another like it. All of it has really helped him playing career. So so the guys who were just you know I'm GonNa transfer because I wanna do me this and that this was never been. Yeah and I remember just in the few in that six months of the year trophy right this summer. Going Joe Harris leaves he goes to the NBA. You're going to the starter. That's moving into the starting lineup. And Tony Bennett tells you that coachmen and tells you that and then there was a story of right that you went to Chicago and you worked out with your cousin who was playing for the bears time and and work with with the trainer that was like civil trainer and all sorts of stuff. I can't remember the name of it was but I remember that story because you guys beat North Carolina in the Dean. Dome in two thousand fifteen and and I was at that game and I was like how did just get so good at shooting the basketball from the quarter. What is going on here? That you had like seven assists in that game as well and What was that summer like it in the coach Bennett? Put that on you to go in and do that or did you do there on yourself because like you said you're making that transition from six started. Well you kind of know the reason why Choose up a little bit for that. Unc game we talked about it. A little podcast token so I'll but outside of that me I went into the next season in a new job was leaving so we knew there was opportunity but versus Before the communities as the first year was nothing that you get here will be given like you have to earn so my new joe new going to be lacking shooting and I always been able to shoot the ball and I actually like the ball on from Beyond College Ranger. Nba Range on. It was just a matter casino ahead to figure out consistency on at a younger stage in my life than a Lotta people do. Because if I didn't I wasn't consistent you know shooting the basketball and Clinton work I could have lost my again potentially that I still have been already so what I did was my cousin. Place in innovative Career Champion germont wrong with New Orleans Saints Finished with Miami Dolphins on. I got the chance to go out there and spend some with him because two summers in a row now here at UBA. We had some success. But I can't be on this campus. It's again I come from here. I've been Jima whole And he was living in Chicago at the time. Claiming debaters in it was just a discipline that he showed me with his wife in cases of waking up every day. Same time breath is prepared. We're going to do our job instruments. Then we're going to go to the court and I decided to work Steve Out of Chicago. Who's phenomenal shooting development coach so when I came back from Chicago Sprint maybe three or four weeks when I came back from Chicago Mandatory Beckett? This time everybody in the email schedule. I came back in the gym doormat routine and I remember remember coach. Been Anchorage Wilfred kind of watch our neighbor laughing and I took offense to Ecorse so you kind of to devote my game but this is funny to you in kind of pissed me off in the sense of art like he'd laughing. GonNa you guys that I did without supposed to came back better. So coach Bennett actually kind of started to like what I was doing. Like Jerry Lewis. Es Drill where you lounge lunging set aside and shooting Hop forward spin with Kevin Durant pre-game like drills that Steve Kerr nominal when it comes to teaching shooting the basketball and So started to work in our remember. Coachloads came to me would coach. You have to say because I realized that Christina was in my case as my year what is going to say about me. Shooting forty trying to beat his forty five percent. I'm trying to beat his record. His College basketball record like he told us not to say anything to just let you go going. So the recipe season could vindicated. His lead me go. He knew wasn't taking shots. Trying to put myself in a different category in Asia. It's GonNa take the shots. I was actually pretty pretty cool story. About how our out in that? I think he actually started to a dachshund or sensitive to this. Oh that's great so I WANNA talk about this. Because you you're part part of what stood out to me in two thousand fifteen team. Maybe Fall in love with Virginia. Beyond all the reasons we talked about where I kind of just felt like I love the style play but like you and Malcolm Brogdon in particular. Were the two best player on the team in Twenty fifteen. You guys were both so likable. There's something about you guys like you didn't I don't know there's something those very very easy to cheer for you guys you had great personalities And you seem to just be a great represents representatives of Virginia. What was what was always fascinating to me. Was you always seem to have this edge you just in that? Lake? You not afraid to mix it up. We'll say and that has become true as you progress in your career. And so what I wanted to do with. You is basically this just you. You've been in a handful of. We'll call them altercations on a now that now that some time has passed in your emotions of calms. I WANNA revisit. Some of these and I WANNA get your. I want to get a breakdown of what happens and you look back on it. How how much you feel like you are to blame for what happened. That makes sense. Basically what this is my first trip to Charlotte Do Game when justice winslow grab your leg and you stood over like you're gonNA rip his head off and then you help them up and that whole thing and then I I was going to look back on. I was trying to find that today as researched everything and I typed in Justin Anderson altercation or something and there are so many results that came up that I was thinking to myself. How does this happen? How does a guy like this? That is a you know so mild mannered in this interview that we're doing You get caught up in this. But then at the same time justice wins low grabbing. Your leg is not your fault so I wanted to go through each of these individuals. Two instances in in you explain what happened. And how much was your fault now that we're looking back on it. So the Justice winslow thing what happened here Instigate him in any way. Give us give us the rundown here. Their game was college. Game Day right. Yeah it was college game. You guys were one thousand nine hundred at the time and number four in the country. Yeah I yeah yeah so I guess I'm beginning by saying like I think I've gotten to like eight too many altercations in basketball playing career. But we're from and playing at the Ymca Planet we call them. American family fitness another gym that we had in boys and girls all that you get into into these types of things all the right you this will bring so many vowed hard and push a push back but at the end of the you know the people you know the people at the club. You know the people that you know center. You know the people who you're playing against the justice winslow's whoever else were about to revisit so it's more just heated a moment in sometimes. I like to say like a black belt right. Sometimes you like blackout in the moment and then like reality sets back in. You'd have to understand that there are people watching that you know this. Obviously we're like you said nineteen and no country like their people constantly watching in. I can't go and be one person community in the show Out On the court so for me. It's like my parents. Were both of my parents together in everything to this day. They raised me to be respectful. But at the same time. Like you defend yourself when the time is right and for me. It was like in that moment absolutely risk at all. It's like all right justice. Like why would you do that? Shit like bullshit like so realize are he know what so you're in you're in Charlestown? Jp J just like come on man like that's uncalled for and afterward have the conversation with a Florida competition. But if I couldn't imagine if we're I would be right now. That situation plant out and I just thought on. Yeah Yeah Well. Those one of the funniest one of my favorite clips is just just because you had the visceral reaction readers. Like I'm going to kill this dude and then you call yourself into split-second or you know what instead of that. What if I just help them up immediately? Went from like war to like add. Never Mind I'll I'll let cooler heads prevail all right so so that that was that was the genesis of this idea and then as I started investigating more the one the other one. That's Kinda funny looking back on. Is the one from the preseason this year Marcus Morris bounce the ball your forehead? Wait before you go into the Marcus Morris okay. Here's one that you're missing the one that I was tripping on was that was I have. I have that on the list. We can do that one. Go to the new one. Yeah you were. Boxing out and your arms get tangled up. What what happened there so already knew he was a big dude. In can't I can't even like a kind of wish I could see again but I just remember. After the Game Darren Williams vet grey. Goose still talks to him to this day. I remember Darryl's like Yo you know he's like blacked-out or whatever it is that he has now. It's like well. I don't know how you're mad strong. You just like take my harmon. Lock me up Romola Rolla. Yeah so in the moment I was just a young kid. I was young. I kinda hot headed and now like I commend was so bad and they you know how. Nba fights are right like right. Created a whatever on. But it's like it's more just an intense heated conversation. You know right in front of each other but that that one that one I think that was the only one that I will say restricting because this is as Jalen Jalen rose says hold me back right around only back. Yeah I had on the list. Art Will Save the Marcus Morris. One for less about that. What about the Dwayne Wade One? Where the way way just inexplicably grabs your arm and you into the first road during the playoffs. What happened there? What's the story behind that? Well that was. That was the media row. Not The first right. Pay All right in that. That was another situation where asylum later actually end up coaching sign in the NBA. Top one hundred and it was kind of apple in cried down in house. Joe was is everything. Whatever we With that was just playing basketball. I remember Lloyd Coach he's a defensive coach in in Philly and he grabbed a hold of me and TJ McConnell He. He talked to revoke individually but he told me he was a hey TJ in talking to you we're GonNa need you both offensively to try to stop you. Wait a second unit which one you were put. Over keeping Thirteenth Man is going twelfth thirteenth man and out. I'm trying to. I'm trying to concede Stephen. Aba and trying to keep my career up in so he right book. Do whatever you gotta do. I need you to get in his head and you lock them down. I need you to do whatever it takes to kind of. Keep them from killing us because he's coming off the bench second unit when they win they win the ball games based off weeks so I kind of initiated that one lead you waited goaded. He's wanted are always growing up on initiating. That won't because when I came into the game shared right at his at it is. Kinda yeah type stuff but I just wanted to prove to my coaches like look whatever you guys need me to do. I'm willing to do. We ended up on. Win that series But I think because I kind of initiated by just touching them too much kind of buffing was doing everything just to get under. His wing was on a box out on to boxing form in. He showed me how strong he was in that. In that instance then fast forward a few plays later. He comes down he young. These are all like Internet. Means that you never want part of the I guess. In now he crosses over in. He misses the shot so I was good he made. It could've been sure. But that's what you want though if it like that him throwing you into the media. Isn't that validation that you're doing a good job like that's exactly what you're trying to do is frustrated right and with all due respect obviously hall of Famer like Bishou or they're even laced On it he wasn't able to do whatever he wanted. If you know the season before that I mean he was healing guys especially Houston big time my gang winners against a silly He was doing against us in so. I'm sitting on the bench like all you have to do this. And so now is my prove that is a matter who you are. I can gorge. Yeah Yeah Yeah all right so I had I had a few others are associated. Carmelo Anthony Guys WanNa really an altercation. it was just a back and forth in guy heated guys had to come in and that was a hold me back for sure and like no one really didn't really get physical but you guys were definitely John. What what was the story there? Twenty seventeen I believe because I think I got into eight too many of these things. Well that's what that's Hilarious to me. I didn't realize that this was her thing with you. Until and what's funny about? It is so many of them are. It feels like they're not your fault. You're just trying to block out the way and you described your arm but throws you and justice winslow's grab your leg Blake I. That's why I wanted. I wanted to get to the bottom of this. Justin is this. Your fault is our just a do. People Hate Virginia style of basketball. Before like what's going on here I think the biggest thing right is like nobody likes to be touched like I was watching the Jordan documentary in. I think my pops was preparing me for that. He didn't see the game changing this. We're GONNA pull up two steps over half core. You grab it by the before your head back. It's automatic file. He didn't prepare me for that. I mean I was playing against grown men emphasis was like ten or eleven years old and like I said rec centers former pros You know play two years up or three every year like I was a freshman playing seventeen Williams kindle Marshall and James Do and Travis Mataya Andre Dawkins I mean these are guys that were just bigger stronger fashion to me and I had to figure how could you know. Hold my own in a guy like mellow. I mean when he's Range if you don't touch them a little bit he's going bare issue in our. You know what I'm trying to carve out a better way for myself in you know but food on or played my family take care of. Everybody had to go out there and do whatever it takes against us. And that's one thing I think that a lot of teams and people respect me for that unwilling to card wherever point guard but with the whole thing was the same scenario it was kind of a running joke. Joel about it and then we liked joked about it for the rest of the season because he kept saying. Don't do that do that. Don't do that and it was like how great you have to be. Just three words in in Ysmael just like I like you. GotTa Make It easy for. You was just trash-talking man. It was just a lot of buffing. them later again at the end of the season career high against them in it was distract enemy. Necessarily IT WASN'T. It was obviously no disrespect or anything you know. I obviously have once again hall of Famer. Huge respect for mellow comes from the same area Maryland Baltimore area so I mean huge amount of respect. But it's just competitive fire in for me. Every night is a playoff game. When you're thirteen like I said thirteen fourteen fifteen guys. You don't get time to just go out there. It'd be cool and try to just you know trying to play everything own ear. I mean for me. I have to be able to gradient. Sometimes it gets you in a little bit of trump all right so the one I would say might be your fault and you can. You can disagree with me. It was the Russell. Westbrook dancing in the play offs. Where he he was dancing villain away like kind of walk in front of them. And you're trying. Antagonize them justice trying to listen. It wasn't muscle the day before we are in the playoffs as a as a rookie. Dallas Riccar loud legend. The Boston Celtics in two thousand eleven. Mba Champion loved my time in Dallas love coach. Carlisle Mark Cuban. All those guys the meeting before we play. Okay see coaches pissed because campaign and Russ West for. Do these dances before every game. He's like I'm just waiting for one of these suckers that just go out and interact one of those days. Charlie and the waiver says coach. You know what I mean you got it. What is so Charlie? We do our handshakes with our own team wrote. Let's go like I'm like. I'm like whatever so Rome bagging. Videotape cut short. Come right back. And he doesn't say complaints were with. That was twenty one and I was. I was real funny. Yeah you trying to play it off as though like you don't realize right there is so funny. Okay let's do the Marcus Morris one. We'll end on that one in the preseason. This year everyone seen the clip. If you haven't disco Goule Justin Margaret it's objectively. Just I'm sorry you fell victim to this but it is objectively funny. It's something in all my years of watching basketball. Never my life seen a guy. Just take up all BOP a guy in the face of you really must have been pissed off like what the Hell is the story here. I know you guys like getting into it a little bit before that happened but we never got into actually was interesting to me. What was really weird to me is human like I'm trying to make it seem and I'm not gonNa make any rainy to happen but at the same time like what happened happened in. It is what it is right and so the game. I'm trying to make the team in. I'm not sure asking brand like yellow. Like what are you GonNa do? Whatever so he like just killing killing the training Camp John Wall saying the same thing on. Just keep going to kill us so we play these guys who've been in there on this tough guy saying already right we remember probably for this kind of talking about some of that stuff earlier so before to gain. I was like I I see him started. That game matchup was a Muslim is so we started the game. And he's like I'm like A. Let's go look this year whenever stay healthy. He's like you too young fellow keep going. I see its on like like I didn't think anything of it. Whatever so at the time he wanted to prove himself for being like a score for them. If you watched the first half of that game he got a jacket. Obviously the second that but if you watch that like. I Made Everything. Tough made it very difficult. Come out of the game and he just goes on this chair. Somebody else's Garda. He goes on a tear. He's getting fadeaway breeze turnaround post up the only two voices scores on me which was a bad call. He got he gets to the cup foul any gets an one goes through my mind. League is the Emlyn no trash talker. Anything he said but he bounced me a is a we call him back. I would like is part of what it is right so then we come back out now. We're not doing that. We're not GonNa what I'm like. What am I just avenue? I like? Where's Charley Villanueva? I didn't need it because somebody going to sticking the only time you do. That is that you're crossing he also. Yeah Yeah so happen so we I I would say on a pressure up because I'm not sure he's already a seventeen year a great first half not against me. But I'm going back to do. My job is so a pressure up in droves the elbow and I look at me. I'm like ed by that. Was this close down the fingernail closer to take him whole knows off the mind. This is the most random you're not. We're not doing that. We're not doing what like. There's no doubt I don't also we should say it's preseason yes that matter is is so you know look at it. I'm like Yo. Ed What's going on and by the time. I look back in. I'm getting hit. Handled the ball in my. I'll even the make of it in like. Of course like look after the fact like everybody has twitter rangers come back into the reports blasting in now. I will say there was a moment where I was really embarrassed and I wish I would have done something about it in the moment but then look back at it and it was just in a bunch of guys around Lee. Hit me up whenever in. That's what kind of made me realize like I cool. Whatever it was like for me I was like like. Where did that even come from? I don't like it's never been any whatever so when I hit I don't even know how process it is. So you guys you guys have got game right. Yeah of course I if I could go back ruined excited to I don. I forget who it was but the guy that you start playing on these things man with should I hope? So we'RE GONNA we're GonNa Lord Immigra- throat read. That's where you're GonNa go quick when you of look back at it. He kind of look back on it. You say like you know what it is what it is glad that you know where I wanna be in life once again with the justice winslow distract where you wanna be is so much further than like Chris Johnson. Kobe Bryant Right Chris the best to pieces Koby Bryant. That's not what I'm here for like rations that go far beyond being just NBA basketball player. And I I to be able to get broadcasting and do things at the highest level so like that's a part of just who I am. I'm Kinda forward baking. That's not the message that I wanted to send other people on but the worst part about it is that like it comes across Baio sweet. We're just so wild to me is. You're obviously a nice guy a off the court. At least you don't have a reputation as far as I know is like being a dirty player. It's not like it's not like you're giving these guys. Cheap shots retaliating. You're just kind of Italianised. And you just gotTa play good defense what it seems like. What is this phoney? Look at back when you when you kinda stack them on top of each other. It's like is this do just that unlucky guys snap and just throw start thrown around. Wanted to fight him or see doing something. That's why I had to ask us. I decided to ask what no it's actually great. Because I never really talked about it like I refuse be I see me after. Choose to be that guy like when the moment comes That's what it is but is lawrence like trying to make it a big Ole public thing because knowing that kind of was the victim. If you will like that's not really why is it is what it is it happened? It's GonNa it's GONNA retire. It's our media. Right is going to recycle. You've got to kind of do. It's really like you as you know that these things happen off these things happen in practice all the time as you said you're growing up playing against guys older new. I'm sure there's a ton of altered like this is not it's not like there's the I don't know any cause for concern. The Guy's playing basketball will get into it every so often. That's a that's a normal thing to happen on basketball courts but anyway I don't know I just thought I thought it was pretty funny. They are the Larry's when I when I when someone put together the compilation of me getting into with everybody is like I gotta chill. Yeah I mean that's what comes with locking up and that's a good that's a good thing. Yeah that's a good thing. You're gonNA spend the narrative and say that you would have been great nineties basketball player and just pander to that era you know what I mean. Start talking to the Charles. Barkley of the world yes Akilah Neal's of the world start sending them tapes of you playing hard defense. You know what I mean. That's that's the next move. If that's the case they moved the first thing that they will say to me is lying should push them face. Flew back to back the those. I can't even handshake. I definitely can't punch right before we let you go. I I'd a couple of other questions number one. Can you give us any insight into Tony Bennett? That people don't know. Is there anything to Tony Bennett? Does that does not fit with his image line with his image does he have. Does he have a back Tattoo does he? Does he ride a motorcycle? Does the you know is. Is there anything to Tony? Like will be like wow. I didn't see the smoke cigarettes. Is He a chain smoker? Like is there anything that like or is really just as like straight lace as as we as we see on. Tv will if there were if there were over top. Hollywood even share it with you. Yeah you'd you'd be trouble if don't know if I'll get in trouble but this is family right he's like HAMAS figure. It's not only need office but know I mean. He's just a solid comment. He's a great example. The religions say through competitive. He he always talk about how. Jesus was this great man when at the same time she's Walker Ryan like he will come back and you know. Show fight when it when it was time is right and everything Season he you know He. He's just a great duty super competitive like he plays Ping Pong in. He tries to take it down on. He competitions trying to kill you. Any your trash talker. Yes yes 'cause you don't expect it though. Not like he's GonNa he's GonNa get a hold jim behind him in everybody's always talk crazy today. Now it's like you you'll get you'll get into a competition with you if you might. His game starts wearing you out your tongue hanging out. That's when you just saying things like will get so he'll wear you out kind of like you just lie. He's who guy like he you know everybody wants to be like TV nowadays right his job. Well all right. That's good. My other question was I was not aware that this was the Virginia tradition until I went to Charlottesville for the for the title Parade Celebration Day and all the fans. They're trying to get me destroyed the lawn and they told me about what the strict law with Kyle. Guy Came on the podcast. We asked him if he if you street the lawn stroke. Long stroke If the did he ever streak on he. He confirmed that he did Justed have you ever streak the lawn and for those? That don't know this means like what you get naked you run across the quad basically average. This is the traditional. Yes it's like. It's like the Rotunda the back of the room these steps. I guess the traditions from our taught you take your clothes off at the top of the steps rundown this stairs as they get you run around big statue at the end. It's probably sixty yard run. Maybe in run bag so my first time doing it was in the rain. I knew I was going to. I knew I was GONNA have to do it. S them myself. More year went in. I did it because I was in the rain and was a group of us than win winded in that came back and it was just it was just also junior year earliest junior year actually had to go the second time on because I was out ran into a beautiful lady. I have my friends in the restless history so actually Actually restrict actually want twice. Removed counts for anything inputs meeting in the legendary board on his definitely. I wonder what I wonder what the record is the all time record for Virginia students. Probably thousands is. That doesn't every hole this things that you're supposed to do before you graduate in. I don't even know if on the third of that list complete. It's it's it's a lot but you gotten drunk and gotten on the tables at the Virginian. That's the thing to or have you have. You fell down the stairs at Trinity. Those are the three things I was told her. That is slip when I caught myself. I didn't have many times I've seen people though. Yes I'm UNMADE. People bust their ass. I lived in myself. Luckily but is lawyers drinkable any surgery. when actually? I didn't enjoy that was waiting for drafted so I never did the drinking on top of the Virginia Obviously because I wasn't a fourth year like we have these heat tunnels that run all through the bottom of the the the the grounds in you're supposed to like go in one of those tunnels which sounds dangerous but people all the clapper so like I said. I'm not even a thorough week on review to make sure I got that undermine that is pretty much every tradition that every college is is sounds dangerous but people do it all the time that that is how you some of the College Experience. I think in this country back right now. Working all citizen might be Undergrad. Degree also won't be able to do this from my parents. They didn't go through this whole process for me to go three Not Given a chance to finish it up so hopefully some of these things when I graduate from we get goal. We'll tell you we've got anything else for him. The now I was GonNa say I appreciate you coming on justice for people that don't know you guys have the podcast right locker room access. And it's all of Virginia guys. It's rotating in and out talking about basketball so if you already enjoy. Marquette is an talking in fawning over Virginia Basketball. Listen to Justin and all the other guys actually yeah. If you like US talking about Virginia basketball you might like guys that actually know Jack over Justin. Thank you so much for joining us. Contenders success Please continue antagonize people. Let don't let me pointing this out that you should stop. That was not the point of this. This is just a funnel exercise for doing here. We Love Your brand basketball. We always have both Virginia. And you individually Thanks for joining us. Good luck with everything appreciate you appreciate absolutely. I'm I'm not initiate anything but whatever happens it. Kinda comes with the territory. I appreciate it sir. All right thanks just Anderson coming on and Titus I have to tell you that story. He mentioned that Carolina game in two thousand fifteen. He went off and he was like you know the reason for that. Tatum was because North Carolina. Jp Tokens over just neighbors and in that specific game. He decided to remind him of that and I was there. I saw it on person. It it it still hurts hard to the. So is the implication there that he wanted to Carolina or he he wanted he just wanted Carolina to hand he wanted. He was Vince Carter Fan so he was like. I'm a big North Carolina Basketball Fan at one point but they didn't prioritize top fifty guy. They took token toe. And then like I like what you mentioned during the interview that he needs to rebrand himself as like a guy who would have thrived in. The nineties is dislike Try TO TRY TO MAKE HIS WAY. Onto every one of those lists where people are like which which players would have been awesome in the nineteen nineties. He's got the Jordan attitude of being offended at all times. How many times did you mentioned kind of I kind of took that as a personal affront personal slight to me. You're like okay all right. They took JP Tocado. And I took that as A. Yeah I love it. Love the attitude. I'll take suggests that he's he's great. I I love. I don't know if it's cool to have him on Vividly remember watching him in Virginia. And I don't know that that's one of the that's investments. You and I made very early was Virginia basketball. That'll be paying off for restaurant. I it's so great that Virginia Suck this year. We didn't talk about Virginia at all season on the podcast. A Virginia fans care because they were in the bag for them and they know yeah not for the rest of her life and they also knew that they were very good. This year also agree. That's the other part of it the whole thing so all right. Let's wrap this thing up outs. Closeouts what we get a shot off for me Mac Mc lung he commits. It's Texas Tech Chris. Beard The King of a transfer portal King of transfers the king in Lubbock all around and crispier obvious McClellan coming in return to the MAC. I don't know how this really fit but team. He's trying to get the waiver if he plays this year I saw a lot of college basketball. Hoop heads Very excited about the fact that it would be saw. Johnny Jews ain't got the waiver the Kentucky Kid. Ucla he just got a waiver. And I don't really think he had much of a leg to stand on and I don't say that because I didn't want him to get the waiver. I want all the guys who get the waiver but I just as like a an objective bystander. I'm like why I don't understand why you gotta waiver so the fact that Gave him one. It bodes well for all these other guys that are just going to do the pandemic route I think is that the move your dislike. I have corn brain and I I need to change of scenery so I gotTa Get. Outta here like all right. Yeah that sounds right. Chris Beard Walsum. Let's go so who's left to the transfer portal at this point. I'm trying to think of who the top guys are. I wouldn't even know who would be what happens. What if the transfer portal? What if you just unplug the transfer quarter? What happens are all stuck there forever like it's like a Black Mirror episode. I forever the transfer portal. I wish I could get out. Yeah I don't know who's I don't know who's left to. We have to figure that out for for content purposes so he can ham it up and draw author. Recruitment put out their top seven. Kind of stuff. I WANNA shout out the NBA The the National Basketball Association announced this week that they may be potentially might be coming back. Eventually that's all. The chatter in the sports world is that the NBA is throwing out all these plans to come back. They are good friend. Kfc But article how they're considering this World Cup type format of having groups that then the groups the winners of the groups then go onto a bracket and play in and have a real playoff and then there are other people are like no that will never happen It's going to happen this way. But the everyone's arguing meanwhile woes. You're saying that it's probably going to be August if the season comes back because if it's going to be any earlier than that they probably announce it now to give enough of a runway to have all the guys get shaven logistics in place So yeah that's cool. It feels like it's coming back but it's also not show to MBA. Showed THEY'D BE. There's a lot of hope and optimism but like you said not a lot of answers especially specific answers about what it will actually look like in you know. I think the one thing that I have to say about the the so quarantine and professional athletes is a Lotta people. I've I've seen it to think that you can like flip. The switch guy like guys just Oh Green. Light the playoff. Let's go like we're going to be exactly where we were before again. I want to remind people to Gupo. Best Player in the Eastern Conference did not have a basketball goal at his house. Hasn't been able to play basketball. I mean I guess he's been able to go the facility at some point but like there's a there's a myriad of reasons for it to be kinda crazy and kind of wild and if football really is ago like everyone's saying it is you get into August in the NBA could competing football season. I here's my fix for the day. Here's what I think they should do. I think they should delay it until like Season in like. I don't know late October. And then from there just like play out like a full season and then have the playoffs in April or May and then have like the championship. Have the finals in June of next year is when I think should happen in other words? Just cancel the season. I felt like the right plan. You know just like I feel like does for read. I don't want them to cancel the season. I feel like you need to make that clear that that I as a sports guy do actually want the sports the comeback I want I want. Nba back but like it feels it just feels like classic like NBA Dominate. The conversation. Get everyone talking about how coming back. But there's no concrete plan in everyone's arguing about like what the plan actually is. Are they going to Disneyworld? And are they not and It just feels like it's inevitable that is gonNA drag out forever individually no one's GonNa and then you have like Damian Lillard coming out like I'm not GonNa play if what am I gonNA play. Three Games definitely not making the playoffs like the at stupid. He'll put myself at risk to other teams are like. Why would we try to win? You're pretending like we have a chance to make the playoffs. We all know we don't. We're not even GONNA try because it's going to ruin our lottery. Physician is this is all absolute Lord draft and we definitely want. Lamelo ball coveted. It's just a it's just of everywhere you turn. It feels like people have a problem with it so I don't know it's it's a bummer. But I don't know they'd be as coming back though. That's the headline. That's that's important tickly. Disneyworld that was the greatest headlines. Been of all time and Yeah it is funny because like in college basketball. Said we don't have a champion. There is no shaping. We've already seen it at one major basketball a venue. I think we will probably see some people some players specifically that may start with an L. That will be very the season is canceled and they may he may claim a you know an AP type title like the One thousand nine hundred eighty four. I think that's what they're trying to avoid as well like players upset that sense but it's I don't know it does feel like the. Nba has a better shot of coming back baseball though which is absolutely staggering to me and very frustrated. That baseball can't figure this shit out because Yeah it feels like baseball is nowhere close to be figured out a as a baseball game. Not Happy about that but I'm not either but it seems like fans can social distance in the stadiums. It seems that there's enough room usually especially at a Tampa Bay Games sticky marlins man and I guess that's never mind that's the MARLINS. Aright what else are we got? Jason Terry Assistant coach. We mentioned Arizona earlier. I'm hoping that he can stay there. When they hire bobby early he's going to go down to Arizona to beat assistant coach and You know he's trying to bring back that old. Lute Olson style we we love that style down in Tucson and I'm excited about Arezzo Zona got commitments from these Lithuanian twins. They now have six international commitments in their twenty twenty six international guys in there recruited class very Gonzaga very west coast. I kinda like it as an aside has nothing to do with the point completely separate point for completely separate thought from what I just said the F. B. I. has no jurisdiction in Europe date. Throw that out there. As well has no no relation whatsoever to the Arizona Point. I just wanted to also bring that up that a six six European guys on their European or International. I think six year International. But you know who does the CIA? And I think I think they're mixed That's the next big scandal. I'll I wanNA shout out Aaron. Who tweeted today that her dad laughter a briefcase at her house and before she returned to her dad's she went through it and found money. I retweeted it with eyeball emojis. A which as we know as Chris. Mack taught us doesn't mean anything just means I see this tweet it. You're you're not offering any commentary whatsoever. You were just saying I have read this tweet which all ever saying And then she deleted it date. She deleted the tweet but apparently Aaron Calipari is Lloyd Christmas. It seems like John. Calbury drafted trust a briefcase full of money somewhere in an air. Barricade sprinting through. The airport did a sliding grab a briefcase. And now she's going to have the Gasman follow her across the country to ask them. I guess I can't believe that there was not the one to one where it was like. Maybe this money could be related to something else I find that. Actually Kinda flattering. You know kind of quaint. That there was no thought of of any business which makes me think that maybe no coach catches so clean. You know what I mean you could never think about. I feel like that but yeah this was a great tweet. This is a great moment for you and I were like bag dropping but but I don't Wanna a briefcase being drive case does not yeah. That's that's that's solid fit as much money in a briefcase as you can in a bag so I think I think there should be the line for say is finding it hard to police all of this and they're trying to figure out what is acceptable. What is not in it in? My mind goes to lay drug possession tate of you find a guy with a little bit a little bag of weed on most of the time the cops come on and take they take it they throw it away they save you gone with you You have a lot. The the intent to distribute you get busted so what if we draw the line at like if you have a briefcase? Full the cashier giving recruit. It's just like a little slap on the wrist. They confiscate the money. But they're like come on. You know better than that once. You have a Duffel Bag. It's an intensive distribute. And now you're seeing real time. I think that's what we should. I think that's for lunch. The Godfrey Calipari and then the Calipari is not as offensive. But you're also come on and the Godfrey you're like come on dude seriously. I WANNA shout out. Tom Crean as well Tom Korean. I found out this week As unblocked me on twitter. I don't know how it happened. Sent me a tweet from Tom. Green I clicked on it and I could see it and I. I have not been able to see Tom Tweet. In seven years. I want to say I think the two thousand thirteen season when I was shitting all over him for Syracuse I think that's when he blocked me. he unblocked me. I don't I don't have any idea why so it's come with the podcast. Tom. Let's talk about. Let's let's let's talk it out. I think he unblocked you. Because of the MAUI INVITATIONAL. We saw him there across the room. He gave some looks. He's like why are these people still involved in the sport how to get him out of the sport but like you said we were still there. We were so given by and You know he finally is accepting the fact that yes come on the show and address it. What if Cody Zeller made it happen for us? What those. Why Cody Zeller told the story about the bat and then Tom Green on black military? I don't know but he unblocked so I'm excited about that. Because he is my white whale interview I think SOM- create and I have had a personal rivalry for professional rivalry will save for that his term personnel at times for very long time. So I don't know olive branch being extended. Thank you. I think you coach Green. Please please share your gift. Anything else before. Go Shots Dwayne Wade as you talk about Tom. Crean I just want to remind people. He did recruit Wayne Wade and took him to a final four and Dwayne Wade through Justin Anderson into the first year of the media. Yes yes yes it. All comes full circle. Circle shutout NASA SPACEX launching. Doing the relaunch. I was geeked up for on Thursday or on Wednesday was a didn't happen. They've postponed it to Saturday beside for that so I just want to get on record that space guy a big time space guy and I'm excited to watch that shuttle again rocket. I am a little hesitant Elon. Musk who's just trying to get off her. Then that makes me worried and you know that I am excited as well. All right. That's a show. They suggested innocent for coming on. Thanks to you guys for listenable.

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Kevin Mawae: 2019 Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductee

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Kevin Mawae: 2019 Pro Football Hall of Fame Inductee

"It is pro football hall of fame week here on the playbook and I have my next hall of Famer Kevin Mewa and he is going to help us with faith faith and being consistent and persistent in the pursuit of his potential. He Played One hundred seventy seven straight games without getting hurt. That's consistency consistency entrepreneurs the playbook each week I bring you some of the greatest athletes celebrities and entrepreneurs to talk about their personal title and professional playbook to success in what made them champions on the field and in the boardroom. I'm your host and C._E._O.. Of Sports Marketing Reading David Meltzer Dave Meltzer C._E._O.'s sports marketing here with entrepreneur. The playbook and I have Kevin Mawae Center finalists for the hall of fame. I wore this for you. Would you don't see it. You won't achieve it. No you crossed yeah. I know every everyone I like. The humidity is this year really brought some New Light to the hall of fame with certain individuals color from class a colorful class. That's a great way to put it well anyway night with a issue and right now your consultant patiently waiting to work with the kids and <hes> let's take you back to your your playbook to success because your life wasn't always easy and the journey was always simple and straightforward as most people think N._F._l.. Are you went to L._S._U.. Give me a little bit insight on how you felt when you went to college. If you know you had great confidence. You'RE GONNA BE N._F._l.. Player war there for I'm. I'm one of the kids that said I always wanted. I want to be Enough L. Player and I played football at eight years old. I I messed up on field. I came home. I told my mom playing N._F._l.. One day and that was my lifelong goal I. I didn't know that you had to go to college this. So we start playing in Europe in Germany MMJ the military move to my hometown Leesville Louisiana Star playing from the junior high and high school and it was there when I started realizing the next step is college ball came from a pretty successful high school football program the sitting guys to the N._F._l.. And Not really know Eh to college football and four years in high school. I had teammates that went to l._S._U.. Became L._S._U.. Fan during that time and committed there and that's how I ended up at L._S._U.. Is just the next step in and what my goal was <hes> again. I didn't know you had to go to college to get to the N._F._l.. But it was the next progression from me me and it was a big decision they'd been perfect match because when I was five I dream to be in the N._F._l.. And I slept with my nerve football named it Frankie but I I knew I had to go to college. My mom figured I wasn't going to be an N._F._l.. Players I better study so when I got to college and play and Kristen Koi ran me over my I play. I realize that's where my dream and wake up call. Unfortunately some of them have earlier for other people but <hes> there's a blessing it gives the blessing worked out for me and I got drafted to the N._F._l.. And had a great career and now in that journey you went through a transformation early in your career your most other n._f._l.. Players your values probably the same as they are today. They're alive different. I I came in the League and all I knew about the N._F._l.. Was GonNa make lots of money have the ability to buy car wanted by how you know just the whole lifestyle the stereotypical n._F._l.. Lifestyle that people think N._F._l.. N._F._l. like and that's what my goal was. That's my dream was and I was living. I mean I was married. My wife and I married in college got to the N._F._l.. And lived in a house of two big verse you probably spend more money than a couple of just two people needed to be spending and probably wasn't <hes>. I wasn't a bad guy but I just just wasn't living right and <hes> you know things happen. They're going into my third year league. My brother got killed in a car accident and it changed my perspective on my whole life foam wife wife became pregnant two months after my brother was killed his accident and all of a sudden things became a little bit more important than just the money in the Richardson the fame it became about the purpose in who I was as a man and those are the things that's the catalyst that changed my perspective on my career in my life is the death of my brother in the Bertha Masan in in the accidental death of your brother one thing I have four brothers mildest passed away as well <hes> but my younger brothers does your brother was your best friend yeah he was here so there's a there's a one year gap between John and myself one year and five five days. Everybody thought we were twins growing up and then there's a four year gap between me and the next two brothers and so we living in a military housing you don't have big houses lose. If we share the same room our entire life at one point for long stretch. We wore the same size closed so it wasn't like his clothes and his close. They're close close the same underwear drawer in the same sock drawer. I mean that's kind of creepy now thinking about it I read that I'm like that's close type and but it it wasn't like John's friends and Kevin's friends we all ran together and so the first time we've ever separated from each other was your he went to college. Ahead of me went to northwestern in university in Louisiana and I was in high school and that was the first and only time we've never been separated for stretch and then I went to l._S._U.. And then following him sitting out a here he transferred and we became roommates again and so yeah he was my best friend Yeah I was. I was willing to fight back a little bit more fight in the locker room and we're teammates had a break us up but I didn't back down but <hes> yeah but he was he was my best friend Convento. Now everyone goes I think through a transformation of some sorts and sometimes we're blessed that happens at a younger age you know but for kind of shifting your values where you and I married my childhood sweetheart I was multimillionaire my thirties. It took me losing everything almost losing my wife you know relative bill through a transformation and say you know I wasn't a bad guy like you. This is my values were wrong. I I wasn't happy so I buy things in different things you know when and you went through your transformation. Where did you prioritize things that I think it made you last in the League for six years for me? It was not just a transformation transformation way of thought be for me. It was a spiritual awakened so my brother passed away and then my my wife was became pregnant. I had no spiritual bring it at all. Also if I had no answers and I really to be honest with you I just one day after my brother's death I opened up a Bible and just started reading just all out of the blue I played played in the Blue Gray all star game that doesn't exist anymore and they gave us a Bible as a gift and I just sat there for three years or two years whatever it was and nobody can give you answers for life and death in the wise but I was like well you know read the Bible and I did. I started reading it until the more I read read the Bible. The more questions I had the more had the more I began to read so I I did force myself drew me in and so I started our understanding you know everybody walks. A different path mind became spiritual path where I became. I became a believer I got saved as a Christian Gin and understood that Christ died on the cross for my sins and and through that process understood that football was a platform. It's not who I was. I had my identity wrapped up in Kevin Maguire the football player of the millionaire that kind of thing and then when I began to realize who god made me to be as a man as a man as a husband is a father's. There's a leader my priorities changed in that. It was no longer about me as more about what can I do with the platform. I've been given through football and so that's that's where my part is. Privatization changed from Kevin Family riches money. To who do I please. He's the guy the one who gave me my ability. I my my sole purpose was please God that I served and in doing so my family became more important to me because he gave me the family and football became a secondary or third or even fourth on the list as far as my party's become because I knew if I did everything for the glory God then everything else fell into place and that's exactly what happened for me. The money became no longer important to me but I became the hospice N._F._l.. Right on the police in the coaches wasn't important to me because if I failed in what I was doing I felt like I was letting God down but I had a higher expectation for myself in the coaches did so everything just kind of fell into place coaches put you up on a pedestal and I've talked to coaches herm even say the best player teammate all of the lesson thanks so many guys and I saw it in my time before I became a Christian and after the guys continue to build this pedestal upon themselves and not just seeing the football but in other other rounds of this world as a business leader as as passionate a megachurches and it becomes the sitting on this pedestal where every see me and the reality of it is now learned this years after my brother passed away and within the last five or ten years that all the successes that we have our bricks the wing stack at one or two different ways you stack them to create a pedestal so you stand above everybody else or you can spread them out to create a platform to where now I can reach many different people and that's where I see see it myself now is the football has created a platform for me to reach out to those in the L._S._U.. Community how I'm on Polish in hall of fame I reach out immunity yeah you know and so all these different areas will now reach out to different people because of the experiences I had added successes I've had and so I chose chose to take my bricks and the accolades spread a mouse stacking love and there's a great story in the Bible about king number connector who's the king of Babylon who built the statue onto himself and what he did he spent the time and resources the money build a statue so everybody would view him and praise him but what he did was he made the cheapest part of statue was clay whose feet and then hey was mile gold. So you know the story you need to spend more time building the platform and then build your way up instead. He spent minuscule amount building the platform built it on top comes top. Stop having a falls down and it's just like anything else. I don't know what happened to your business will probably exactly and your foundation was frail and toppled over <hes> passers lead megachurches they forget where they came from who they were and they start recognizing who they are now where people put them and something happens in their life and they lose everything God. I've been a part of the air of seen it happened in my life. I've seen it happen in other. People's lives that the goddess give us a platform to use for me it was football and I chose chose to use it in a way that expresses my faith and my belief in him and hopefully to bring other people so now something different about you know. It's like you just a normal dude live service success. We you know you could be whoever you want to be well. I'm just a And and that's a great compliment because I could be who you know pulling the shirt off my chest look what I've done and should be puffed up and feathers everywhere but the reality of it is. I'm no better than these kids better than you. I just haven't had a really cool job that put me in the limelight but I don't carry myself like these. I don't think I do I thank the people around me would say the same thing that he took with God gave them made the most out of it and is using it to reach out to others and that humility carries over to even in my own life is I would say the same way and create a human experience of a spiritual being having human experience. One of the things that was difficult for me was forgiveness this yeah you know and it was a big part of my own redemption. was you know how can I forgive myself all right. 'cause my dream for me. Was I wanted to buy Mama House in a car. I had six kids single single. Mom I actually lost everything including my mom's house like an idiot right and so the first step you know as I surrendered right and we'll say it was okay okay. I got I myself. I have to forgive myself did you. Did you go through any type of I did. There's so much and there's things I did that that was like and I struggled with early my me and my faith walk like how can God forgive me for the things I've done when I can't even forgive myself and I've learned in my match naturally my maturing process is that God forgives you regardless and so really it's a sand against God for you not to just live your life without after he's always always already forgiven you and and so it took a little while to get that to get that right in my head and I really right in my heart right but at the end of the day I found a way to understand that so yeah you know what God gave his son died on the cross for the sense that committed and they're forgiven once. I've accepted the Jesus my savior. They're they're gone. It's like race clean now. The mental part of me that's got lived through that and understand that but but my heart part understood that that what what was was and what is new and and so that's kind of where I'm at now and I think everybody goes through that process and <hes> and they're just things that you know well we just make bad mistakes and that's human nature us and we're born sinful create beings and and that's why you know Christ died for us and that's the life that I live and I choose he's live and and for anybody that wants to bring my passed up and I was like well I remember when you did this. And how can you be that guy and I'm like well because you you know I'm no longer than I got the guy that you knew back in high school early college. That guy doesn't exist anymore now yeah. Did I live those things absolutely live in them. Absolutely not mob I've moved on and if you choose remember me for those things I did that wrong. Do you or somebody else then that's on you. It's not on me and you know and so I I just leave it at that and taking that to now you had a great influence here great program new stadium new athletic facilities great coach. You're part of a great organization you know. How are you going to in the public sector? You don't can't always bring religion into it but we can't bring faith. I tell kids all the time put faith. It put faith where you want it because a lot of people don't realize faith works both ways yeah. Don't put faith in what you don't want. How are you communicating because you know kids are different today? How are you communicating indicating that inspiration that changed you so that they don't have to pay the dummy tax that you want? Here's for me. I can't separate my faith out anything I I just I don't believe you can and whether I work here to public university which I know there's that I am who I am and and I do things based on what I feel. Oh Goddess Call Me To do whether you say I can't do it or not now. I'll be respectful you know God has called us under authority of of men and so whatever those rules are I operate within then on but at the end of the day I'm not separating Kevin y from the football player and the Christian Kevin y the coach and I'm one in the same. I can't be coach without stop being Christian coach. I can't be a football player without being a Christian football player so if you want to know who I am and what makes me tick as a coach or as a player. I'm GonNa tell you one and I do it for God cost three twenty three says whatever you do with all of your Heart's doing for Lord now for man. I don't do it for her. I don't do it for Ray Anderson. I don't do it for for the N._C.. Double A. Because this is what God has called me to do and I do it respectfully in a way that honors the kids beliefs and whatever they believe but I tell them this is who I am on what you don't believe this or not. I get that but there's here's the lesson in it and whatever that might be and but I'll I tell you when a kid says there's something different about you or when a kid comes up and they say I just feel like I can be honest with you because I believe my purpose here at this university as an analyst right now is to be around kids where they can see somebody who's reached a highest level. What's most of them wished to attain but most of them never will and be very honest with them them about it but do it in a way? That's loving respectful and be like man I it's a great dream to have but I think that you don't have the abilities don't take you to the next is level but let's make you the best player we can make you here to help A._S._U.. Win And in the meantime a issues to help you achieve the highest level education you can get with their graduating waiting on time and probably graduate master's degree for you walk out of here and in that process I teach you how to do things right how to be a better man a better husband a better the child in some cases a better father and so that's what my role is more of a mentor thing is coach because I believe I know her believes this. We're here to grow men young men into mature men and out of the hundred guys we have on this team. There might be two guys on this roster right now. That will go play an extended time N._F._l.. And so those other guys they got to be ready to step out in the real world and become business leaders and dads and fathers yes exactly right and they got to be able to do it in a way that is respectful honoring and do it with integrity and so that's more important than just trying to win football game today. I think that's so important in you. I wanted to sit down with us. I in my life. I've had this extraordinary experience and been But of all the way I played college football like I said I've been around the hall of famers throws you release Steinberg's. There's so many professional athletes in all sports but the most interesting thing is when I asked someone someone who had the biggest impact on their life a lot of times. It's their football coach. Yeah responsibility is a lot of times it is because especially in this board and the higher you go you find that especially in the N._F._l.. Eighty five percent of the players in the N._F._l.. Are Over minority race African American in predominantly in fifty percent of those come from single parent households and so when you're in that demographic group and you play sports really really lots of times building male figure in your life as a coach and I saw the statistic when I was coaching I coach fifth and sixth graders for two years and eighty percent of a young athletes life is spent with his college. Coach coaches like I will spend more time with these kids and their parents will in one semester I and I sometimes I think coaches forget that so the kids are watching them as father figures as male figures as role models. How do I treat my wife wife and my wife is round here my daughter's on campus here? How do I treat my daughter in front of these young men because that's what we're modeling for them and when you don't do that then you miss out on a great opportunity to show young men how to be real men and <hes> for me you know I have some great coaches in my life but really my greatest role models my dad and my mom and dad had they just they just hit fifty years? This year was their marriage perfect absolutely not I've seen some people that say that we have this great marriage words. They may this instagram mayors. They're liars. They're all for sure because everybody has issues and everybody has problems. Everybody's got skeletons in the closet. It's just how do you choose to handle them within in your family and but my mom dad is still married and they they've brought up four boys they lost one of them. They've got great grandchildren now and then <hes> but my dad you you know my mom I worked. They had to work to make their marriage work and that's what I saw out but my dad him being military I mean I saw my ask my dad up at nighttime spit-polished his his boots in heavy starts on his views and his uniforms. My Dad never stepped out of the House without his uniform looking sharp in in for me that was big and I told my dad is before. It's about the little things it's all about the little things. My Dad used to always. Tell us. Have you going to cut the grass. You can find my way. There's not too different ways of doing it. It's the wrong way and it's the way you're supposed to do and if we had to make the bed at the corners how to be tucked in the sheet beds we're tight and bedsheets tight and that was my role model. My mom was the same way I mean. I tell kids the other day. If our socks weren't all folded inputting the door and be a we don't just throw stuff in drawers my mom would take all the drawers just dump Mama floor and he had a full the mall over and start all over. You need good roommate. My brother and I are room was never dirty. It just wasn't in and so but my dad's whole point was it takes more work to come back and do it a second time than if you just did it right the first time and not live goodbye that you know if I'm going to come out here and turn something into my coaching staff that project that they have to do almost. I'll stay here to midnight and make sure it's done right so that I don't have to correct it tomorrow morning because when you got to do the Correction GonNa take it apart you joe do the research all over again and put it back together. The worst thing as a homeowner is buying used house. That's been remodeled by somebody else because they cut corners and now I gotta take a wall out like a Redo the pipes and I gotta scrape all the wallpaper off because they chose to do the cheap way instead of doing the right way Oy and so it goes back that's the principle is my dad taught me and he's the greatest role model had as a young man was if you're going to do something right. Have you going to do something. Do it the right way the first time if it's worth doing don't do it half ass and that's what my dad would always say. That's kind of who I am and I know it's a great deal of what I try to model for guys when you do an incredible job and this is one of those episodes I was at another twenty minutes listen. I think it's a great opportunity because you worked with Hall of famers. I played for a halting future once and I played for my mum on check and I played for some of the greatest office line coaches in the League in it was always the same thing everybody's got unique talents and gifts whether it'd be in the business on the football the world in part of me being who I was was coaches at recognized that in me but allowed me to hone my skills within in their system and so did I do everything perfectly absolutely not but I give every effort all the time absolutely and but allowed coaches just to teach me I was coach -able teachable but they allowed me to grow without feeling like they were being threatened or I wasn't listening to what they were doing and but it all goes back to recognize that we all have talents and gifts and for me they were given to me by God I hold him on Myself Self With the coaching staffs that went on and to be around guys like Mike Munch hack and play with the Warren Moon. I played with Walter Jones Incurs Martin and guys guys did things right did not just on the field off the field and and that's what made those guys special and hopefully that's what makes me special is that I felt like I did things the right way. Both both on and off the field and Kevin Walks the walk which is I think important in business and in life and in your personal pursued so is very career with someone and stern on who you are and how you're gonna live your life and I really appreciate that anything more people out. There are looking to do your business. Don't sacrifice your character. Turn integrity just because other people are expecting something else and <hes> you know. I can't wait to see and listen to your induction Pete. 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Yogi Roth on start to unique Pac-12 season & why Herm Edwards has clicked with ASU so well

The Darren Smith Show

22:48 min | 11 months ago

Yogi Roth on start to unique Pac-12 season & why Herm Edwards has clicked with ASU so well

"Have you heard about propane. Taxi propane tanks. Propane grill tank. Home delivery service and it's ridiculously easy to order a propane tank delivered right to your door. Now's the perfect time of year to get outside and grill with family and close friends or heat up the patio. Make sure you've got propane for any occasion. Go to propane. Tanks dot com. Use promo code tank ten and your first tank exchanges justin dollars promo code ten for ten dollar tank exchange. No delivery fees no commitment and no contact propane tax dot com propane grill tank home delivery promo code tank tan power number. Two is extra thirteen sixty one point five. Fm channel number. Two if you get a st radio and of course the iheartradio app always love talking to this guy. I would talk to him really any time of the year but on the eve of the pack. Twelve returning now. Four games slated for tomorrow. Starting at nine o'clock in the morning arizona state at the coliseum at usc number twenty you see that game on fox we spent time on that just talking about the interesting twist for a game that starts at nine o'clock in the morning tomorrow afternoon ucla at colorado that one in boulder one of the great places to go and visit not just for college football but all sorts of good stuff happening there in boulder stanford oregon. Number twelve oregon. The team that many think if there is one team that the pac twelve could put up there potentially as a team to go to the college football playoff it might be. The ducks will see washington state or in state. And i say it that way because two games have been cancelled arizona. Utah washington cow. Arizona happened a little earlier today. So a bit of a bummer but good to have the pac twelve back good to have college football up and running all across the country. I've said this many times. It just felt like it was hard to engage as much as i love the sport when you live in a time zone where you don't have the mountain west you don't have the pac twelve it sorta of didn't feel like we were part of it. Yogi roth works for the pac twelve network. He's a former player former coach great inspirational speaker. He joins us this afternoon on xtra. Thirteen sixty yogi. Darren smith appreciate your time as always anytime man. It'd be back how you doing how you holding up. I'm okay it's been You know it's been a wild ride. You go back to march eleventh To now personally professionally and then pacman. The last couple of hours with another game being canceled out here on the pac twelve utah arizona. So i think the word of the year that i've taken from commissioner scott and david shaw fluid and that kinda like you gotta be things are moving and we got a dodge and we and bob and roll this wave as a as it continues to move. You and i are a little bit older. The word fluid means something different to us that it might for some of these coaches yoga. You know these guys pretty well. You've served on coaching staffs for. How do you think the The coaches are wired here to be fluid. Given these circumstances you know they don't have any choice. Obviously but we all know that coaches are very much type as and they like being in control of many things and this is something that nobody can control. Yeah i'm with you man. I i think the hardest part and i mean cal a perfect example of this is that you do everything right right. Calvert did everything right you know in terms of they don't meet inside. They don't share water bottles. They don't even go inside their locker room. And then everything. Right and due to local protocols around contact tracing they're not playing in seattle against washington and nothing to do with them. I did everything to do with their local municipality. So i think that's the part that had been frustrating. The coaches and it because it's different everywhere right. The quarterback room at clemson was in contact with trevor lawrence just based on proximity practice. Everything we would imagine but that position group didn't get wiped out for the last two games. Knicks even tested positive game week and coach in gaming right so i think that is probably I i'm seeing half of the coaches. But i'd imagine that has been a rough frustration and for me the way to deal with that. It's just recognizing that every community hit this and dealt with this differently at different times in the bay area is one of the first community. Seattle was one of the first communities. La you look at some of these schools in the pac twelve and where they're located. You know the the way that it was treated from jump with rona virus is different than has been another other regions around the country. And i think that has impacted some of these rules and regulations by local municipalities and a thirties. Yogi roth pac twelve network joining us on extra thirteen sixty. I can appreciate that. I think that. If if i were in one of these positions yogi i would like to think that i would err on the side of caution just how i am just how i would be wired but i also know that. Not everybody's wired that way to your point. Do you get the sense as somebody who understands the inner workings of college football not just the pac twelve is any of this in any way being used against the conference in this regard that it's even starting as late as it is compared to other conferences. Have you gotten that sense. at all. Fair unfair i would tend to think unfair. But have you gotten a sense that the protocols approach from conference commissioners and school presidents has been used against the pac twelve here over the last couple of months. Well i'll say this is. It has become politicized right. We're just going to be straight up and blunt. So i think people that lean towards one side of the aisle where front of our isn't real or some of these other ridiculous statements. In my opinion that have come out From certain parts of the country and certain leaders in this country i think. Yeah that made it a politicized but when you talk to a conference commissioner when you talk to the medical teams when you talked to the board of advisors we talked to the football working group on the west coast or any other region insane respect for the pac twelve. I mean the pac twelve is the first conference that bridge deal with quite out which you know the company in your backyard around daily testing. Pcr testing saint company. That the big ten is working with the leader in this and even the eighties. I've talked to fill rave about commissioner scott for the amount of slack that he gets fair or unfair. You can't criticize how he's lead during this pandemic in my eyes and and i'm on the inside I i just think that criticism is unfair But if it's a coach if it's people that are in the know in college football whether it's in journalism or working in beautiful profession. I think they'd all say man just to get to the starting line. Which is you know tomorrow at nine. Am it's herculean for this conference because of the footprint because the dynamic because of the state and local politics like there's so much that i think should celebrated even get here unfortunately we're going to get four of the six games we anticipated and prepared for but i was saying this morning on our xm radio show instead of thinking. Damn games got cancelled. I'm gonna start thinking heck yeah. Four games got played. And unfortunately i think that is the trend that will begin around the country. As current virus. Dramatically grows utah growth one hundred twenty thousand semi cases and yesterday they half of that a couple of months ago so it's not like the thing isn't real and isn't isn't happening so i kinda commend our conference human being the position that we're in. I wholeheartedly agree as a matter of fact yogi about an hour ago. I started the show saying the same exact thing. Yeah we're karen. San diego state football here a little a little later on tonight against san jose state. And when you have a weekend. We're getting said they have ten games that have been postponed or cancelled heading into this weekend. College football. I feel like we should approach every single game. Like it's a little bit of a gift here because we see how fragile this is not just in like the pac twelve footprint to your point but all across the country think about what's happening in madison wisconsin. Yeah any time that we can get a game actually kicked off to me. It's a game. That should be appreciative. Cosign man. I really think that Offensive gratitude right now that we need to to have people have microphones because it's easy to complain and moan. And oh my god. I can't believe or the pcr testing or the contact. Tracing those are fair criticisms. I understand none of us that are saying that are doctors every doctor. I've talked to people on the inside of that when i talked to doug akron. He's running the pac twelve medical group. And he's always like you know unfortunately are i mean. I sit in on a meeting last week. Where they talked about the protocols of what happens if somebody does get a positive test. They're immediately isolated and their phone home on on on their own plane right. They're taking home and two local hospital like to thoughtfulness. It's gone into even getting players. Have the opportunity to play. I think it would blow people's minds specifically critics minds right now at games were being cancelled. So then i'm working in and and you know the one thing that i hoped happened when the thing began didn't which was uniformity and unity cultural. I wonder because of the pandemic and how it's gonna naturally continue to grow and postponed and cancelled games or the next month or so. I hope it still can do that before the end of the year and we can get on some sort of the same page because clearly. That's not the case when we began playing college football whether it's in september with abc or whether it's now at the pac twelve yogi roth. The pac twelve network is joining us on extra thirteen sixty. So you'll let me ask you this because you know as you say different leaks have started at different times. We've got clemson which is played seven times alabama which is played six times. Notre dame has played six times on and on and on a lot of schools that have already started. Play five six seven times. What is this season all about for the pac twelve to to think about your why you play you play for a conference title. Many of the top tier programs are playing for an opportunity to go to the college football playoff. I don't know how any that's going to work. I don't know that we're going to see. Any of these. Conferences finishes quite frankly. But what is this season. All about motivation only for the schools that you primarily cover inside of the pack twelve. What are they playing for this year. What's been really fun for this. I mean you look at college. Football in general and i'll go to high school football. I work with quarterback with the elite eleven often and have for last twelve years or so. It's become a business really quickly to high school kids that are high profile and definitely the college kids who are high profile. And it's been about. Let me get mine. How can i get to the league. And then the teams that have magic usually have magical leaders right on the field and then coaching staff. What i've seen. Since the spring ball was cancelled and the season was postponed once twice and then reset the players that can act with and i just finished teaching a class with actually adamson to a bunch of student athletes in this conference ron storytelling is if they have really gained a new found appreciation and love for this game. Whether that's they can't wait to run sprints because they get to be with their teammates. They can't wait to wake up early and go to a meeting because i and i and i think this is sarah. Every athlete including me has done that. You take the game progress. And i think now players are like man. I just want to practice. I get to play in a game. Let's go. I think that is what it's about and i think you're gonna see and i believe this already knew to. The environment is described as well as racism and anti racist movement in this country social justice. I think you're finding teams are tighter than they've ever been because they're sharing more. They're learning more about each other's perspective. Glide were there from versus you. Learn about a handful of guys in your team and your four year career so very rarely in about one hundred five and different roles and you know different different path to where they are. I think that is a beautiful thing. I think you'll see teams play with great uniformity. Once they get going. And i do think to your point about these other teams. That are played a lot of games. I don't know about you but my biggest takeaway was one. I enjoyed the staggered. Start college football. Because i got to watch these. Blue blood programs play every week. And to me outside of ohio state alabama and clinton in that order for me everybody else's above average right now. Oklahoma michigan penn state texas. And i would put cow arizona state. Usc u. dub. Utah course or i get every one of those things i wouldn't flinch and i think Because of the amount of games that hasn't been dramatic as it's usually terms with just the volume. I think a lot of the people have seen that too right. It's not like tough game in the sec. Now that was ugly football. That was average. That's an above average Offense nutty league. And i think those teams get a path and have gotten a pass in the last couple of years in college. Football teams would get roasted. And i and i think there's an opportunity to flip that can get in sixty seven games and one of them could be undefeated for game of the season and that starts tomorrow morning at nine o'clock. Yogi your thoughts on what we're going to see. We've never seen this before. That two teams will be playing in the western and the pacific time zone. Starting at nine o'clock in the morning when usc and arizona state kickoff. Tomorrow morning i can't wait man. I can't wait another player. Can't wait you know. I talked to a usc. Play the other day and eat like men. The coliseum sunrise is one of the most magnificent things i've ever seen in my life. And i think for players. They don't care what time it is. I like the idea of this game especially with. There's no fan. I don't think it's that big of a deal I don. I don't see it happening all over the conference next year. Right if we're back to quote unquote normal times with fans stadiums. But i like it. Man i i like it for this year specifically and i love this game i mean these are two teams just referenced. I think the better team in the country both teams have at least one. Nfl player per position group. That you're gonna see and a lot of them have more than that. They've got the two most notable single callers on the west coast from a reputation standpoint j. daniels and keenan's logos they got One of the hottest coaches in the country and herm edwards personality standpoint. And how he's built that program is it's phenomenal and look at usc and offense and it's the best often in the conference in receiving corps against alabama's or any other top ones in the country. So i i think they're storylines for days. I would love nothing more than to call this game. Because that would be so excited to nerd out on the defensive marvin lewis right for my head coach and the nfl for however many years. That was right. The new defensive usc the quarterback play. I mean you don't even have to get you. Don't have to be good as nails to call this game. Because there's so many high level storylines and joe is gonna dive into the weeds. He's good as there is. I can't wait to listen. Watch learn and walk this one. Come down to the end. I think it'll be that type of ballgame. I'm sure you've probably seen the sunrise at the coliseum. Once or twice in your life right. You must have been there to see that. Yeah running stairs. And i didn't always enjoy it but yeah i've seen it a couple of times and it is magnificent. Yeah no doubt. Yogi fact will network joining us on extra thirteen sixty. You bring up her med words and we've had a long relationship with on this show and he used to join us on a weekly basis when he was an analyst. Espn and mostly talk about pro football. But when he gets hired listen. That raised a lot of eyebrows yogi. I think we would both agree in that regard. What is it about her that just seems to have clicked. It just seems to really work hand in glove very very well at the collegiate level. I think it's Any things i think it's Old school values new school communication. And that is a catchphrase. Maybe but that's real right like guinea old guy accountable but able to meet them where they sweat you know. Meet him in the. I meet a young seventeen year old and understand his dreams to take average family. Get the nfl right or meet a twenty two year olds. He's trying to figure out life after football. Hermes that's good as i've ever seen in that regard the second thing is The best guy i've ever seen do. This is carol second-best best guys hermit and they're very close and it's allowing the players in your program to fully be their personality as long as it's not to the detriment of the team and head coach knowing when a guy getting out a lot and her is amazing with that man. I'm i hated special trick for him. Because if you watch team or if you go to the facility it feels really light right. Nobody's carrying this heavy burden of. I got you know. Get to the nfl. Or i've got a win. The game people are just themselves. They're enjoying the game and they play so many young guys that it's not only playing bet that understand not how to get online. He's got so many young players that just drop into the culture and say yeah. I i am. My own brand is every college they would say now and this is what i want to be cool. That's awesome but let's make sure you line up in the right spot on third down. And i just think his ability to communicate that in an effortless and brilliant way is is. It isn't unique trait. And then you had in the coaching category. I mean he's seen every scenario and football he really has. His staff is as good as originally the country the way they recruited and they they call it. The new model in his opening press conference was like what is that. The new model is how they identify recruiting. I mean they're recruiting. Operation is as good as i've seen in my twenty years in college football. So i'm i'm a huge fan. Ultimately he'd steal for that program on the week we could see him at any other top programme country. Now you wouldn't but he loves being. There loved it ray anderson. Ad has done for him in terms of giving it a shot back and coaching at this level. And i i just love the model man. I really love everything about and what hermits reminded all about in this era of coaching. Really not about how smart you may be excellent. That's clearly a part of it. But how can you inspire. How can you connect. How can you continue to motivate and keep the lights under the athletes lit around the sport and it's crap and herm just many guys. He's to be good at whatever he wanted to do. And i'm lucky. Ever get to call games with him coaching football. Because that's what i love to do. yogi last thing for me would be on the college football playoff selection committee one of the running themes on this show and you said inside of the pack twelve college football. The word fluid gets used a lot. And i've talked about flexibility because we've seen it. We've seen baseball exercise. Some flexibility with its own post season. We've seen pro football exercise. A little bit of flexibility on and on the nba. Right but yet this sport up into this point with roy with regards to the selection committee and the scheduling of what we should expect with the college football playoff. They are somewhat dug in here on this december nineteenth date. I wonder if you see room for flexibility in college football. Maybe we don't have to make every last decision on on december nineteenth or twentieth. Excuse me the nineteenth would be the final saturday. Do you see are or. Are there still a. Do you believe that. There's still room for for some flexibility here to perhaps be a little bit more inclusive in college football with regards to the decisions that will be made. Postseason really fun topic. We could go for hours on this. I i think this one. We got to give them Their props they were flexible regarding the first initial ranking right. That was supposed to be this coming week or supposed to be on wednesday night or tuesday night and they moved it Three weeks so the pac off at least three games in before all of a sudden the perception is what it is after the initial rankings. Which always happens every year. So i think props to them on that or i still have issue is the expansion of the playoffs. You know even if it was this was an asterix year but we're gonna expand it because of the inequities regarding Communities coronavirus the inequities regarding how many games being played etc etc. We'll just take all the conference champions and that large and away we go. There's a great opportunity to do that. And i think that was a dramatic miss from from the cfe. And i've said that consistently for since the pandemic began. And i felt that should be expanded from the beginning of when it started because i do think the playoff is one of the worst things that's happened in college football because it made everything about four games or four teams and like that. Because i didn't college football's much more than that with that. Did answer your question. They i don't i don't think they can move the date In my opinion. I think they should move the date because it. It's basically as far as it could be. It's me it's just. It's just can't play more games. I think that's what's going to have to happen. Or what will eventually happen. And then can you get in two playoff games title game. 'cause even that will be a stretch herculean in and of itself when you look at the holidays. What's some student. Athletes may may not be going home to all the things that kinda go with. Usually a couple of days off clearly won't be able to be the case right imagining aren't the case anymore. Once we get to that time. So i don't see happening. I just seen it being a an unfortunate year On many levels one being the health and wellness of our country and then the student athletes and then the athletic department and i wish they could have expanded it. I'm sure there's a lot of reasons why not to and i'm sure finances or one of the talks. Do we want to pay out a couple. More teams should answer was no in a year. where everybody's pretty much losing money But i i always out here. And i had for my whole life. Which is it's about the game in the purity of the game. And i don't think the playoff is pure i never have and i still don't until they expand it or make it the same playing field for everybody. Competing for is right. Now as we've seen not only this year but in years past it's really not I don't think it's the right thing to do for the to protect the game that we all get to be. A part of yogi always always a great conversation. Thank you very much for taking the time. I'm sure we will get a chance to do this again. Hopefully during the The season enjoy. We appreciate your time. They say you gotta yogi roth. Pac twelve network who uc all over the place. Noses conference as well as anybody Defends it stands up for it and makes a ton of sense when he does so. We'll be back marez nuggets coming up on extra thirteen. Let's super nutritious super delicious and a little nutty american pecans. The original supernet packed with all the good for you nutrition. You need and the flavor that keeps the family coming back for recipes and more visit. American pecan dot com.

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Hour 2: I Told You So

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

44:33 min | 3 months ago

Hour 2: I Told You So

"Jason jay williams the podcast paul. George he has his signature moment in the postseason with a huge game for the clippers. Is they take the lead without kawhi. Leonard he's not available and as we've been talking about it. Availability has been the biggest issue in all the sudden in the nba and post season. And that's become a really big story as well as waiting to see what the extent of the leonard injury is. We know donovan. Mitchell playing through an injury joel. Embiid is playing through an injury. Kuwa- kyrie irving out. He didn't even make the trip for tonight's game against the bucks for the nets. He's out and appoint james harden playing with an injury Just we just keep going through all the teams that have been dealing with. This guy has become as we were amazed hearing it yesterday. Chris paul out with the health and safety protocols which is much different. It's not an injury. But lebron james took to twitter to discuss it and it really became like a a big story from him because he said he called it. He was telling people about starting the season when the when the league did Instead of waiting it was you know instead of they right before christmas instead of. Mlk day which puts a lot of the players want. It wasn't enough time to give the players after coming out of the bubble a chance to have an off season to recoup rest and then get back into the season guys clarify some players in player that went deep into the playoffs. There are other teams are off for multnomah. Yeah of course. That's all i want. You know you're right. And that's that's the argument back. Take lebron this was in december before the season started when he made the first point about being concerned that he and the heat who were in. The finals would have a very short offseason so he went to twitter yesterday afternoon. And here's a bit of what he said. The threat he said they. They all didn't wanna listen to me about the start of the season. I knew exactly what would happen. He said i only wanted to protect the well. Being of the players which ultimately is the product and benefit of our game these injuries. This is him writing. It isn't just part of the game. it's the lack of pure rest before starting back up. Eight possibly nine. All stars of ms playoff games the most in league history. This is the best time of the year in our league. Fans are missing a ton of our favorite players. It's insane if there's one person that knows about the body and how it works all year round. it's me. I speak for the health of all of our players. And i hate to see this many injuries this time of year. Sorry fans which you guys were seeing all your favorite guys right now. He said that about About it now. A statement from nba spokesman. Mike bass this injury rates were virtually the same this season as they were during the two thousand nineteen twenty season while starter level and all star players miss games due to injury at similar rates as the last three seasons while injuries aren't unfortunate reality of our game. We recognize the enormous sacrifices nba players and teams have made to play through this pandemic guys. The agreed to start the season right. They they knew like the players agreed to it. Money was we all know a major reason why. They couldn't wait till the middle of january. They wanted to get it as early as they could and they compromised on right around christmas day. Yeah but as. I look it the injuries. They look like basketball related injuries to me guys playing basketball falling down bumping me's lebron james having somebody fall on him and i asked jay. I don't know. Because i wouldn't think as it as an athlete and being out on the football field you get heavy legs throughout the course of the season. But you also in condition and what i mean by that is or your legs so tired so heavy that you can't move around and therefore you can't get out of the way of people that's why people are tripping over each other and falling or is it just basketball plays because there's really hasn't been any soft tissue injuries. Outside of james harnett do. The season was having trouble. That i can think of. Everybody else is like an ankle. Knee shoulder harness the conditioning injury because of a hamstring. I sat with since he even he. D eighty went to the cup. It came out awkward in his groin. So i'm not really sure what lebron means by. It's affecting the play. I know i'm lost on that. It does lebron have a point. Yes he does. The reality is that the volume play for some players. Since this has been the shortest off season in the history of the league has been a lot more for some players so the volume of playing activities higher there becomes a higher threshold potentially for injury due to not having your body enough time to actually get rest right. You're using muscles way more in a shorter span of time. But who's having muscle issues. I'm say increases your probability of injury. It does i get that part but when we say well let me let me let me finish here for so i agree with you. I think a lot more of these injuries are basketball related right but the same time. Look you have to play. Not everybody gets a chance to earn at the top threshold. Like a lebron james. You have a lot of guys who are minimum contracts and the business asked by aspect of this. I know lebron gets this. Is that when force majeure happened. When the pandemic happened a lot of players were forced to leave a portion of their salary in an escrow that they would not be able to receive so the reason. Why you have the quicker start. Date is yes for tv money which allows the players to recoup a lot of the money that will be taken out of escrow to give back to them so this was a business decision in which the pandemic we all had to make business decisions right everyday people to make business decisions. It may not be fair. we may not like it. But this is the reality of the world that we're living in. While we were navigating one of the most difficult times country our world scene can can also point out that as you mentioned from when the league's stopped in march two. When it started back up it was late. July right for the bubble. Your right everybody was doing nothing so there was arrest. That's what the league will say. That was a everybody was resting. Then then you know less than half. The league went into the bubble and played. Some only played eight games. Some then continued on. And when the case lebron and the other stars how is it any different than when you play in the olympics. Because you don't. It's not just two weeks of olympics. It's also a couple of weeks before where you go into your training camp where you play some exhibition and then you go into the olympics. So it's a couple of weeks and then you got about a month and then you get right back into your nba season when you have olympics so it's a similar type of schedule that is a obviously In we circumstance that you had to agree to and the money was the biggest effect here for the players for the league for everyone and so it was a sacrifice that it was a. I was liability that. You took on by agreeing to it so to blame the league for it now. I feel like it. It's it doesn't make sense to create this animosity when it was unnecessary. He's frustrated fine. He's frustrated because he's not let this. What's the motivation behind these tweets. Is he upset that the stars aren't playing or is it. Set that his injury an injury and he's not a collection of all right. I mean it's the frustration and we're not playing but i'm also watching other superstars get hurt but hurt in basketball related. Things i'm watching basketball. Plays is less some different. Let's just way off base. He just seems like to me. Kyrie irving coming down on janas lay ankle. Had nothing to start early and lebron's injury was a hustle injury. It was the fallen on him. Nothing to do with starting early right reckless. It was a regular hustle. Thinking from. lebron means that dame shouldn't have committed to playing in the olympics this year right. I mean essentially. It's a good point like you know so. Well anybody is not and the nuggets really. Didn't want him to so he decide. Okay i'm not going to. Because they were concerned about him and his conditioning. So yeah i mean look you can make you can make the case. But it's fly. It's flimsy and again. Yeah why if you're frustrated by it. That's one thing but to blame the league. You're all to blame because you all agree to do it coming up another stars frustrated and it has to do with one decision. His team made yesterday. That's after he has this from goodyear. What else is new. Goodyear knows when a season starts heating up so do the possibilities play off. Hopefuls emerge beginning in contenders solidify. Their position from here on out every game is a chance to create momentum to make the right past the right move to hit the perfect shot. It takes momentum to build to the moment but it takes everything to capture goodyear more driven coming up monday on keyshawn. We'll basketball hall of famer magic johnson. What's up it's the hall of famer magic johnson monday. Ibm studio okay. Jay z. I got some hall of fame. 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Know if i want some give it to all right j you know. I just bought a g. fifty eight kenya other day and he said that okay. Are you don. I'm just by the way they can prove. Lesson learned a crew is the worst the crew. Absolute this is the worst team. I've ever been on the worst team because he so he tweeted you. Did you see. I need you to read it your blue eyes and i'll leave out the beginning. But he has like you. Say if i only owned blue close because of your likes blue and don't get off the is. Let me say your is have blue. If i had behind me too. It's like it. But he's he's he's like we get it so you think your eye color matches your clothes. Where some different colors dude. He's like a you guys saying he's like a kid or something closet must be hilarious. What's in your closet. A lot of good suits a lot of blue suits. Yeah detective it'd be interesting wearing like f- leisure-wear onto shows like this. Because normally i have to dress up to wear suits boot today since you guys are and i stay tuned. Oh i won't be wearing this. No no no. I'll be used shoes. I saw shoes ready. The suspense is killing me. We will be on. I take today looking at my wardrobe. You see what i'm saying. No they got to know my competition. Got it oh my competition man. Yes key and i will be on. I take today and tomorrow. So you wanna definitely stay tuned for that. And i think i thank you for that comment because i don't have enough mirroring zaidi so jay. Let's make an awkward transition. Now into jay's round ball rankings brought to you by dell for your small business needs call adele technologies advisor today or eight seven seven. Ask key. here's a key like these are teams some of the vacancies. That are open right now. My top five teams. That i think have the best opportunity to win with the cast that they have and we will start off with number five. Okay if you're a coach what job do you want. I go number five. The washington wizards. And i'll see scott brooks has been fired. He's been with the wizards for five. Years couldn't come to an agreement on his contract. Tommy sheppard it'd be some questionable moves that he's made in the past. But i i like him over overawe. I just don't know how long bradley bill russell westbrook wanna be there to play together and the question is yeah. They made the playoffs. But can you win with russ long-term can but if you're a coach coming into that environment bradley bill. Does he wanna to stay. There long. Jeopardy. i'm not sure not sure that's the best opportunity for a new coach coming into that situation and he's got two years left. Ross yes a lot of oughta money. Yes forty-five right shepherd. I need you to work some magic. They're good opportunity. I think the best opportunity. So that's the next up is gonna be blown here with this portland trailblazers number four from now. You say that what is dame has one more year left on his contract and we talk about will dame want to stay there. You come into a scenario where name to win. He's trying to win now now yesterday yesterday. Two years ago right when they got western conference finals. There's a lot of pressure on that job. And now you're saying will shake out james. Hey look constructed. We're good mike. But are you guys are always injury-prone collins has the floor. Nurses dealt with issues. Forgot even place for them. That's what i'm saying. There's a lot of issues around there with with klay thompson coming back. What what's golden state gonna do There's there's a lot of moves happening right now. In the west shifted we like men. That's a that's a lot of pressure to come into right now for a guy like dame who deserves to win a championship. But can you do that important. But they gotta go. They need to go to dame in. Ask kim. Would you want what are you. What is it that he need. What is it that he wants. That's what i'm saying is jones. What dame wants the right thing for the organization. I don't know maybe it is. Maybe it isn't. That's a question as a coach. Ask yourself though all superstars seem like in the nba. Get that opportunity while. I'm knocking them for doing it. I'm just saying as an organization you'd think about is what dame wants the best thing for my organization. That's a question that's number number. Four number number three pacers. Get it downside. The market smaller market look all. My family is from indiana my wife. Her brother-in-law my father-in-law. They're all from their avid fan base. And the way the roster's constructed kinda like it. I mean demonise bonus brogden liberte mouse. Turner mc dermott. Oh forget. tj warranty jay worn. He's been dealing with some health issues this year. It's just been health for them right but east. I feel like they're going to be there in east. Can you get a superstar to come to indy with that corps and i sure can you buried the lead. They had a coach they did well. He's he's six exactly know. Nate mccay guy. Who is getting you success. You felt like well. He can't get any further. Well he's getting somebody else further than you did. I hear you. But how do you think i hear. I hear what you're saying about organization. I'm looking at this from the coaching perspective. A great situation. I mean it's almost tell turnkey to a degree. You just might need a piece or two free agency over the top. They had major issues coaching staff and the players this year. The major issues. I agreed by still think it's the upside. There is pretty tremendous okay. That's number three. The pelicans i look. I really think with stan van gundy. It was like oil and water. Stan is brilliant. Xs and os. But he's a little bit rigid he's very old school. And you have a young core. Yeah young dues doing young different ways. I think there was a little rift there. About what can take this team to the next level and david griffin brilliant. Gm mate so many moves to get a guy like zion and even key loves the line. We're gonna what market a lot of coaches reheat them. I do wonder if mike d'antoni and alan you mentioned that yesterday on our texts read mike d'antoni with that thing with the pace in south like to play with brandon. Ingram with the way they like to run with ziya williamson. I think the upside there shooters we get ready to reheat. Mike davis mike d'antoni teresa weatherspoon. Who's already on the stat. okay. I just think. The upside of learning how to unlock zion and brandon ingram with the biggest question. What is he because we saw stand aside to make him a point forward and that pretty much took ingram sort of out of his game. Lonzo ball was basically ongoing. So he's he's got to get out of there but why i think dantonio this his in his career. A young team don't know if that's a great fit for him but why he would his system and the way he coaches. Because if you put ingram and zion pick and roll. Zion would be like star. Was the sons when it comes to the roll. Man unstoppable because so fisher physical force. And you wouldn't have to see him. Take awkward threes. He would never need to. An ingram can shoot ken drive. He's got that dual threat can handle the basketball. And he's got the size and length like those tuned to pick and roll when you spread it out. Spread the floor. They could be a brave a prolific type of offensively. Very difficult to gore. Do for you get your forty eight wins in the playoffs. Which of the pelicans. That's a pretty damn good. Look at the fact. Is that the pelicans. They've lost so many close games that it feels like me last year. They didn't make it close this year that it make it because they couldn't close by. I can help them get over that little hump them and they'll be their playoff contender new playoff contender each and every year. They should be. That's number two. Come on man beantown boston. I mean the fact that jason tatum didn't make an all nba team. Get out of here. get outta here. What are we talking about. Didn't didn't shocking. I mean i'll take the core of jayson tatum and jaylen brown all day. Every day. brad. Stevens built to be a front office position and that job. Understanding the pieces is kimber. To answer i'm not sure. East played to injury a lot this year condensed season. I think there's a lot of what you do with marcus. Smart you have to make changes But i think the opportunity to coach jason tatum and jaylen brown. I it does it. Come with pressure yes. It does sure but i think that's a sexy job man. Yeah that's a great opportunity to coach guy that i think in the next five years top player in the league keach on jay. We'll zubin presented by progressive insurance august. Join us on the goodyear hotline. You do have an honorable. Mention though i do orlando was number six. That's why they're there. But my honorable mention our milwaukee because that could pop off good now and the dallas mavericks. He let go dinelson. There's obviously stuff happening. There was a general manager. That mark cuban came out and said there's no way i let go shadow shadowed decisions like that. You have things. Going around about luca. Is he really happy. Don nelson brought him in love. Donnie nelson what's happening. That relationship now look earlier in the year. I said new york could be a potential opportunity. People kill me for. kill me. luca for luca feasible. There are feasible scenarios where you start looking at where will look want to go and build. You can't give me this excited. This new york isn't the only option. But i will say. There's a lot of rumblings. Mark cubin isa put water on fire. I don't know how he does. He did he did yesterday. He shot it down but it was interesting though because he doesn't mean internally as actually marc j spears. Who's a fantastic writer for us. Also writing for the undefeated. He was on the jump yesterday and he gave this account from what he hearing about. Luca and the maps. That's out there in the twitter sphere. Just killing me. I don't know what i'm talking about so again first of all. We'll probably hear from luca. Today we're talking about. Don't bring me no. i lead just a reset. Will we might hear something from luca today right. We said this yesterday when spears was talking. So that means. Today we can expect luca. Might say something about donnie nelson. Who's been there for twenty five years. Who is a big part of of really scouting. Luke the hall away from his teen years. You said what's extension worth two hundred one to one billion dollars in there hasn't been there hasn't been they haven't even started talking so you aside like yesterday if he was happy to talk about but i have to did say that down. Yeah that was what two weeks ago but now ended down there. Don nelson has gone hold on not so fast. I got other options. That i'm looking at now and you know rightfully so because especially if recall lost out eventually in they can't attract another superstar to want to go to dallas to play with him that becomes problematic to watch. Rick carlisle now marketing. Basically said he's here forever ever doesn't mean rick carlisle might have been here a long time. I wanted yeah. Well let me about the timing of that. So mark cuban comes out when they lose and says it's going to be here. I don't see any problem. Like why do you feel the need to address. If he's gonna be there who's asked. Yeah he was. he was asked. But still you're right. Pseudo need you keep an eye on zuber presented by progressive insurance. Progressives homequote explorer gives you multiple quote options. So you can pick what's right for you see for yourself. Progressive dot com all right. We've played believe or not earlier. Now we're going to ask a super bowl champ to sing it and also ask him how much he believes what one. Nfl coach said this week coming up next. Jay z espn radio and on the espn app. Blue eyes were philadelphia. Was ahead by twenty six points in this atlanta hawks team that believes never gave up. Never gave up. Came all the way back. And they defeat the mighty philadelphia. Seventy sixers what die one. Oh six atlanta leads the series three games to two and they will have a chance now to wrap this up and move on to the eastern conference finals. It's amazing another comeback by atlanta. That was the call on ninety two nine the game as the atlanta hawks come back to defeat the seventy sixers one on one. Oh six now. Philly looked like he was well on its way to taking the ticket to get the win and taking a three two lead in the series. They buy as many as twenty six points for the second time in three nights. Atlanta comes back to win for the sixers. The loss is tied for the third largest blown lead in the last twenty. Five postseasons in the west. No kawhi leonard. But paul george got it done in a one thousand nine one. Eleven win for the clippers. Utah jazz and their game. Five paul george goes for thirty seven points. Sixteen rebounds and five assists. He became the first player in franchise. History scored thirty five points. Thirty plus fifteen plus rebounds and five plus assists in a game. The nfl bears wide receiver. Allen robinson resigned too possibly playing on a one year deal he said tuesday in zoom conference call with reporters that he doesn't have any contract updates or anything like that remember. The bears placed the seventeen point. Eight million dollars franchise tag tender on robinson after the two sides were unable to agree to an extension last year robinson. Skip the bears voluntary offseason workout program. But he did report to this week's mandatory three day mini camp sports center brought to you by indeed. If you're hiring the summer you need indeed with indeed instant match just post a sponsored job and you'll be immediately immediately get a shortlist of quality candidates whose resumes on indeed fit your job description. Learn more at indeed dot com slash credit story. Now in chicago gets more and more interesting. It's like honestly what we're hearing right now is is definitely one of those. Believe it or not. Type scenarios coaches are saying stuff and we don't know whether we wanna believe it or not but this is one certainly in chicago that i find very difficult to believe and let's bring into this conversation booger mcfarland are. Espn football analysts two time superbowl champion joins us right now on the goodyear hotline good morning. So how much do we buy into the fact that the bears are saying that justin feels despite their aggressive. Move up to get him no chance he starting week one well You know right now. I don't really pay attention anything anyone says the summer because we're just trying to feel airways and newspaper articles etc etc. But i will say this. And i said it on the night. They drafted justin fields Matt nagy ryan pace gotta win this year So what that means is they gotta be able to put the right guy behind the center of when the season stars because five hundred five and twelve won't get it done that like they need to win a bunch of games get into the postseason I think andy dalton is gonna give them the best chance to do that early on I knew at some point. Justin feels it'd be ready. I just don't know when so I gotta trust these guys by the word man because they know their jobs on the line and if if they're going to put justin feels out there. It's not going to be pretty early on and how much job security. How much time do they have to say. Okay we can go. You know six eleven and we'll be good because we made progress. We play the rookie. I don't think they're in. That situation book helped me understand. Help us understand from a defensive standpoint star studded defensive tackle year now in your rookie year long with sapping just other guys that have you know. Been in that position brooks all you guys and the offense is sputtering alone but you see the opportunity to be a great team in income. Shaun king takes you guys to the nfc championship game. How frustrating is there from a defensive standpoint. When you know you got a guy at the quarterback spot that can do it but for whatever reason. The office staff isn't give an opportunity. Yeah it's very frustrating key and the situation that you talked about we were in And we had to go to shaun king rookie because injury but i defense was so good and so dominant I mean kidding. Just basically the hand the ball off and check down to flat that like all started as long as he can hit that we were going to be fine. The games not played that way anymore right now. Like if you're gonna play offense he's gotta be wide open so regardless if rook you're not that guy's gonna throw the football. It's a passing league now. We were running the football forty times a game back there and they are throwing it forty times There's never been a really good office of lines or running. The ball. never been something that they say. Okay we can hang our hat on like we did back then so i think some of the pieces are similar key as far as rookie. Good defense etcetera but the game is played a lot differently. Now okay booker. Let's go out to the forty niners. When do you think trae lance start. Do you think he should get the opportunity Not early on. Listen jimmy. Garoppolo is proven like this is not me. Give you some breaking news jimmy. Garoppolo has proven. He can get you to super bowl. The forty niners our team. That's capable of winning super bowl so if if you're trying to do that again this year your best chance is to play jimmy. Garoppolo now long-term j. lance is obviously a more dynamic quarterback but hey if i'm a veteran on their team and you know i'm nick boasts i'm coming back. I'm so many guys on their men. Listen let's play jimmy garoppolo because we know even though jimmy has is inconsistent and he's a little brutal That jimmy can get the job done and get a championship. And i think if san francisco will stay healthy Not saying that they intentionally won't go trae lands at some point because it three or maybe jimmy has a bad game or two. But i'm starring garoppolo week one because we're healthy. I know what we can do. This is not breaking news. We've seen it jimmy. Garoppolo is one pro from winning the championship. And i think that cow shanahan. I take him for his worry when he says jimmy's of quarterback that gives us the best chance to win. Okay from one quarterback to another What's going on down with the jaguars man. Tim tebow have a chance to start as quarterback. Come on start a goodly. I'm going to start it. I mean they have a name started. I don't know why the hell you wouldn't could typically i. I would try to get some real boat analysis about this like we all know. Urban meyer came back because one reason because trevor lawrence is going to be as quarterback. I can. I don't care what they say. I don't care what anybody writes in an article trip launch is going to be quarterback now Tim tebow it's cool. He's got a buddy that's the head coach and get the opportunity to fulfill agreements. That's cool but let's not mention quarterback ever. Did i want to time superbowl champion joining us here. on key. j. will zubin book. Men gossip the gossip and green bay. Did tit for tat. Back and forth between Mark murphy the president team. Aaron rodgers which aaron rodgers is kind of like just dropping crumbs. Here near mark. Murphy is actually naming names. What do you make it all that. Well i think it's two sides key to realize that their relationship is about done and you know you know you have some good times and some days you wake up and you think about man. Well we were good together. We make great music. And you're like you know everybody to reach out and just sitting there and text. Hey what's going on and then other days you wake up. You're like you know what you really ticked me off in some of the some of the things that you do really hurt me. And i'm gonna just and let everyone know how still about that's the type of relationship they got like some days. They love each other other days. They remember each other's faults. I think any. I don't think aaron rodgers place for the packers again. Barron has got a ton of money like he he's got no Like there's no incentive for aaron rodgers to come back and play right now for green bay like money's not an issue He's at the top of his game. he's healthy. It's not like he has to play. So aaron rodgers can sit back and be petty right now and green bay saying okay. We drafted a kid in the first round You know we're getting ready to play. We're not gonna kowtow and fire. Gm little guti. We're not gonna fire him. So did the day. We're going to be petty too. And i think that you have to to To people to entities that are really stubborn. Right now I'm gonna be pro player. I hope they get it out. But i hope aaron is the sits down six chills plays golf relaxes. And at some point. There are thirty one other teams. Where i really about twenty eight. That need a quarterback. They're going to figure out a way to get air rogers he. Did you ever play any body on any teams that was petty. Like that Created problems. i don't know anybody. Well here's what i'll say. Everyone across the national media label keyshawn as as petty mishaan. All these different things. He was a great team but not keyword. hollywood okay. He was a little different from the standpoint of being as j causing kibo tennessee's tendencies. Tom you a first one. I ever saw the practice this. I'm not talking about the restaurant. We gotta go to practice at seven thirty in the morning. Keep calls up in a rolls royce at seven thirty. What i'm supposed to dry. We'll start at seven thirty. The meetings already seven thirty seven thirty eight early for some meeting. What kind of roseau. What are we talking about what to impart. The book is that he made sure everybody saw him pull up. Parking lot was full of cars like that and by the way the best blind. I don't know. I don't know what kind of what kind of car i don't know had so many damn stop appreciate humor. Thanks bird later. Following the goodyear hotline brought to you by good helping you discover the road ahead. Goodyear more driven keyshawn jay z. We presented by progressive insurance go. Hey someone's trying to stick a fork into the herm edwards era at arizona state. We gotta get into that after. Jay has this from o'reilly take that car kito reilly auto parts yes. Yeah that's true. Yes o'reilly auto parts is here to keep your car on the road with the right parts advice from their professional parts people and their free loaner tool program. Let me tell you about this. There's no need to purchase a tool if you're only going to use it once. Your local reilly. Auto parts store has more than eighty special tools available to rent for your next repair. 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What do you remember from that play. Because he they were pleased that he made me think about fast break. I think it was a three two fast-breaking and he comes in the middle and just goes. Yeah yeah ran that way. Oh he's definitely a special player in. It'd be great to talk to him on monday. And by the way everybody so key. And i will be on. I take today and also tomorrow so you definitely wanted to go on. Espn belief is it on espn. Because soccer or the uso soccer soccer. Okay soccer that's fair enough right. Espn to watch. Of course make sure you see us on. I take less screaming. Meanwhile this is a this is a story that certainly keep an eye on. I know it's it's something you want to talk about. So reports about arizona state football program saying that they violated rules. Ncwa put in place to attempt to prevent recruiting trips from spreading covid nineteen pandemic control over how you could recruit but apparently As arizona state has confirmed publicly that the aa is investigating the football program. yeah That confirmation came after reports that herm edwards head coach and others within the arizona. State program violated the recruiting restrictions during the pandemic. One staff member told yahoo sports. It wasn't a secret as far as knowing everyone who came into that football office. The number is too big and the names are too many they would bring in parents their moms and dads in friends. They'd get a facility tour like they were unofficial visit. They'd show you the weight room training room. They showed you everything. So what's happening with that program and why you know first of all most of the people that are in charge of that program i have kind of no because her met words and kind of a west coast guy. So i kind of have some knowledge about what arizona state's program is all about and where they're headed right. You go all the way back to when they first hired her and four years ago They fire coach. Graham ray. Anderson who happens to be one of a handful of african american athletic directors fired. Graham hired hermit. Where's after her hadn't coach for like ten thousand years who's here and rare represented her when he was in. Nfl coach so there's a relationship there. So ray empowered a black man as a head coach so that became an issue right then. And they're like oh you're hiring a guy who's a thousand years old doesn't know what he's doing blah blah blah blah blah. Eventually herbs started to get. The program turned around in her started. Getting out of getting rid of the bad coaches that can't coach and can't recruit and i noticed first hand because i've been watching it in any brings in antonio peers as the linebacker coach. Antonio pierce was the head coach. Long beach ca a long beach high school which probably i then giant. They look up and he started all these young players. That can recruiting coaches. Will that could understand these kids in a families and things of that nature getting rid of some of these coaches that have been there some staff people that have been there. She got a lot of disgruntled people. That was part of coaches coach grams. Universe so you got these internal issues going on now. All of a sudden a peak. It's kicked up as defensive. Coordinator gets more power to help. Turn arizona's as program around. Kevin mewa ex teammate of mine didn't get the offense of lying. Coaching job. Then goes at indianapolis colts in get fired. Herm doesn't higher me. He played for her. So he becomes this whistle blower tight. That is kind of like saying you know. Oh well you know they doing this. They do and that not improper benefits. The thing that they may have violated is the rules of the anc two a. Bringing guys or communicating with players in families doing covert a little bit different than what the stories are probably trying to make it. So it's not it's recruiting violations. When we hear that we think right away. Oh money being money and just was so there were there were protocols that the that the incidentally put out and they they broke disgruntled employees because her words in ray anderson or empowering people that look like them and some people are getting mad at that. Let's be honest and real with it. One hundred percent not a joke. It's the story that will keep an eye on what it does that program because as you mentioned her his trying to get that program track and he had started to do that. More coming up next. Hey this bomani. Joe plus your favorite podcast. Let me tell you why that'll be number two after you listen to mind three times a week. I'm going to challenge you to keep up with me. 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Mormon what does special advisor mean? Like to help out coach you know what I mean the help out with net today? Well, he's helping out, you know, trying to find. Hermit has asked me to their early take time in evaluate everything they're doing and you know, really consult with him on and you know how I did things what I would I like what I disliked and, and then as we get to the season really, I'm going to spend time and of I waiting the personnel, the people are opponents and so forth, present report to the coaches self scouts both offense and defense special teams here as well. And just the sys- him with a lot of the analytical things that they have in place and being able to, you know put things in front of him that are pertinent. And then how mentor, the coaches help them in their planning and so forth and be a sounding board to the things they're doing and, you know, but present what I think are the strengths and weaknesses the opponents as well. More of when I saw the news. I wondered how did this come to be? How long did this been going on who came up with the idea, and I'm curious to know how this all started? Well, I think you know, literally it began a year, you know, almost a year ago, you know, in home, and I just talking. And you know what was talking on the golf course? And, and top or wherever was. And, you know, whenever, you know, he's like, hey long as I'm there ever, you get done, what you're doing and you wanna play, the, the come and do something, you know, the doors going to be open. So and then after the season you know, he reached on right away this year. And so, you know, we I came over here couple times, spent some time and talked and so forth. And he visited with his coaches to what you know what role they could see I could feel from what they had or, or could maybe even developed into because I thought that was important that these guys here had a comfort level with everything. And so then the chance to come over and is with the coaches as well. So it's I'm excited about it. What, what did they say that sold you there because you had opportunities to do plenty of things right? You could have joined television network. You could've I'm sure probably consulted for an NFL team. You've probably could worked in NFL for all their a lot of things that you could have done. So what did you hear from them that drew you to the college game? Well, I think the energy here, that's in this building, obviously, we know that's what, what would Herman's all about that, if you, you walk in this building, and, and the, the coaches that he has in place here and the way they go about their jobs and so forth? It's impressive. And so I was really been impressed with that. And you know this couple of times I had a chance to come over and spend time here, obviously, I have a long relationship with the athletic director here, Ray Anderson, and the job that he's doing and his vision for what the future of ASU athletics. And as you football is and so rain, I had had a conversation or two. And, and, and so it's been able to to twelve fall into place, Margaret, devante birth, the former sun, devil have anything to say about you going back to his alma Mata. He was excited he he's known about this for about a month. And so he was he and his is beyond say they both went to school here. And so I got folks up from them right away. So. That I was glad to hear that they work. I did about it. Who would have thought that for the two thousand nineteen season that you would be a special adviser for hours, state involved, his birth would be playing linebacker for the Oakland Raiders. Well we're trying to get him to be able to do right now. It's just play linebacker put Oakland Raiders. So we stay in pretty good contact. How strange has it been for you to be out of the NFL? It really happened been. It's been avid. I haven't missed it. I'm enjoying everything that I had an opportunity to do. I enjoyed working for they until they pull the carpet from underneath. And, but it was fun. It was fun talking to coaches. It was fun being around the players and AMI opportunity. I was getting the learn a lot of new things. You know, spend time day as you know, up ESPN and days with the NFL network. So I was getting a chance to, to meet other people and do things, and, and people were very, very helpful to me, and help mentor me, and to maybe something different, but this is been exciting the, you know, I just had to go through those other things and decide what, what made sense for the future. And do you think you will miss it this fall when it starts up? I, I don't know I'm gonna have enough with Boeing, my hands right here to keep me very busy. I know you'll be the help out cokes there. But when the first Sunday of the NFL season, rolls around will you be so wrapped up in Arizona state's affairs or will you have a chance to watch the Bengals. Well, I don't think I will look, I will be watching the Bengals, you know, other than the fact that the players that are, are near and dear to my heart there. That's it. You know the players that I brought there. But other than that, that's my only interest in, in the Bengals went, they're doing is the players are successful when you bring up near and dear to your heart. Who do you think of an who'll you miss this season in Cincinnati Mormon? Oh, I miss them all I'm miss them all from the from last year's draft class of the Sam Hubbard's Billy price. You know, those guys last year's classes, well as the guys that have been there through thick and thin with me. And the AJ's Andy's so forth. The guys that have been there the longest. And so Joe mixing all the guys Drake Patrie all the guys reach out, you know, from time to time miss them all because they've been a big part of my life. And hopefully I've been a part of their so but yeah, I'll be busy here. And I won't get a check. Chance to peek in on the NFL because I'll be too busy helping us get ready for whoever the next opponent is. So while you're busy there. What are your expectations this season for the Bengals I know that they've had a lot of changes? I know the personnel will be different. I know that when a new coach comes in legs act, Taylor that there are a lot of changes that are made. But what do you expect to see from that team season? I really have no idea. I don't I expect handy to have a great season because he's a fine fine player. And hopefully AJ's back in healthy and John Ross continues to grow Tyler boy, continues to grow. Joe mixing it cetera. So all those guys on offense really can do their thing. And, you know, Tyler I for being healthy and back. I'm excited for him. And I know he's feeling great. So a lot of good things. A lot of positives there, do you have any relationship or have you had any contact with the new head coach? There's activity, succeeded you I have not. No. Do you have any hope? Of getting back to the NFL coaching one day or you're not even thinking like that. And I'm not like that. I'm just you know, you know me long enough and I'm gonna focus on with today is and not worry about tomorrow. Now, I wonder also you've a home in Arizona. How far is that from Arizona state? Give me an idea of what that commute will be like for you, and how much that entered into your decision to become a special visor for hours stadium. Well, it's left them to was Paul Brown stadium. So, so for good. Wow. Is that right? Yeah. It's that close. Yeah. It's, it's well, you know, in the morning, there's no traffic. So but, but now it's it's been great. It really is. I was surprised how close it was the first thing I heard from a couple people like, hey, what do you do it? You know how far it is from your house down that actually it's closer than it was in Cincinnati. That's amazing. So you, you can have all this free time on your hands, then Marvin. Well, what Herman envisioned for me the opportunity to do this, and it's been it's been fun? You know, I've been here now for, you know, for three days, 'cause I really don't start to August. But I'm trying to get to lay of the land here and get started on some things, and a lot of paperwork with, with collegiate athletics days more than you expected. Well, more than it was. You know, I guess it would be twenty eight years ago when I was in college nineteen ninety one. Well, that's, that's, that's right. I forgot about that, now that you are out of the NFL, and now that you are a help out coach special adviser for our state. How has that changed your personal life at all? Well, it's been very good. I had the opportunity, you know, to spend time with my my son's coach at Hampton university. I've been to Hampton Virginia a couple of times, and we've got into daughter here and son-in-law with our grandson. So if I go three days without seeing those boys, you know, I'm kicking myself, so I get a lot of opportunity to, to be pop, and, and that's been great. And would you not have had that Hegi you still been coaching Cincinnati? Well, I still had that. I mean it's just, you know, it's, it's, it's different, you know, because I wouldn't be close as close as I am two to one side of the family. Yeah. Now when I look back at your coaching resume that you alluded to you did coach at Idaho state from eighty one to eighty four Long Beach state from eighty five to eighty six New Mexico, eighty seven eighty nine. Pittsburgh, one thousand nine hundred ninety one what is so different from the college game today? You're three days, your brief time there that you can tell that compares to win you coach back in college back in the eighties and early nineties, where I think number one what's provided for these players from that standpoint I was down there. Teasing this morning about, you know, they've got the nutrition bar. They've got breakfast provided. They've got all these things. The beautiful weight rooms and everything that they have, you know, I it's just different that way from that standpoint. But then from the coaching standpoint, you know, the fact of the time limit and that just came in, I think, in ninety when I was at university of Pittsburgh, you know, literally, the time constraints that now college football has and so forth. So, and I think from the standpoint of the player the player comes here to be here, three years, and Amazon states. Plan is in that three years, they can get their degree because they're all going to be here in school and in the summertime and so they're taking classes in as they progress towards their degree and be able to graduate in three three and a half years. And if they're good enough have an opportunity to go onto the National Football League. You know, at some point how much talent is there on that state roster. But he's, he's really they've done a nice job last two recruiting classes of getting a lot of young talent. They re they lost obviously player that was picked in the first round, they had two guys, grafted six other sinus college free agent. So they have some since obviously better in talent, and they're going to be replaced by a lot of younger players team's gonna be is harm said a little younger than it was a year ago likely to, to start a young quarterback. But they get some gotta find runner coming back into some pieces on the offense line and so forth. And some guys on defense around the settle into the system and understand it. So, you know, so we got a lot of work ahead, but they've got an another incoming class coming into they feel great about Jewish about this Mormon obviously having coached since eighty one and done at the college. I and at the NFL level and now going back to the college level, how have you seen young? Men change during that time. What's the biggest change that you've noticed in these guys? I think the fact now that was so nutrition conscious these young people growing up people were in their era, talking to them about that. And certainly when they can afford when they get to college is being provided for them. So we're actually were with we know we're growing bigger, stronger people faster people, and, and that's going to continue that trend. You know, it's just it's, it's really cool to hear the hurting their Tristesse talking with a young guy this morning and him telling her last night. He cooked pasta with olive oil. So. I it's just different you know. And I think that trend is gonna continue you know, it's a little different than guys grabbing a handful candy bars. And, and that was a breakfast. It also seemed I remember when I covered the Broncos for sixteen years early on. It seem like guys were more. I don't know. Maybe I'm imagine this team focused and then over time it became more individualized where players thought of themselves more as brands. Have you seen that change at all in people? I know you talked about the nutrition and how it's changed. But how about in the actual people themselves? Well, I think it does. But I think the, the one when we know last year again, the Clemson won the national championship year before that it was Alabama, and, and they have a team concept and National Football League was New England Patriots again. And we know no question they have a team concept. And I think that's the thing that the end of the day team still win on individual players you bring up the patriots and you coaching Cincinnati with the Bengals from two thousand three to two thousand eighteen Bill Bill has been in New England that long and longer. Having done what you have what is your assessment of what he has been able to do from your perspective? Well, it's been incredible bills. They would continue to massage change adapt and continued to stay with the, the, the trend offensively defensively, you know, all these things we're talking about nutrition and everything like that. You know, they're at the head of the class, and all of those things all the time and yeah, Anna lyrics, etc. These things, it's, it's football all the time. And Bill does a tremendous job of managing all that valuating prospects you know, from the time the season is over, and obviously, they've been in deep in the playoffs, you know, almost every season and, and still he goes right to work, right at the next class and so forth. And right to work, and create and see. So just incredible that way, are you gonna be recruiting at all? Are we gonna see more of Louis on the road in some young Heison player? Home trying to close the deal. No, I am not allowed to see. So that's a good thing. Because I'm not one of the ten coaches but I can I can have a world here on campus? Once the young man. The prospect comes here to campus to visit, I can have a role that way, but I'm not allowed to the reach out and make phone calls or have off campus. Contact. I didn't even realize the NCAA rules. So that shows you how well versed. I am in that area Marvin. Yeah. Yeah. Well, there's, you know, they do they the, the, the stabs of today's college football is too. It's expanded so much. So you have, you know, Billy ever personnel department here, recruiting department. I it's amazing. You brought up living in Arizona. I know you've had a home there for a while. Are you keeping your home Cincinnati? Or are you leaving the area? No on our houses been vacant since man for a little bit. So, so our houses now in the market Cincinnati. And when you look back to the homes, going to be sold you're going to be an hour. Zona fulltime when you look back on your days in Cincinnati, what stands out in your mind. Well, it's it was it. I had a tremendous time tremendous run. A lot of great people working for the Brown family, the relationship that I have with Mike and his family. It's, it's special, and so very fortunate that and but you know things come to an end and now somebody else's time. So you know, I know people say, well you didn't wanna playoff game, but I prefer to look at an entirely different way. The fact that you took a team that was terrible in organization that was a laughing stock almost and you made it respectable and you made it a perennial playoff contender. And you made that team competitive, which is something it wasn't before. So I, I think people need to remember that way. Well again I I don't think there's a coach in, in the NFL or anywhere that goes into season says I want to win a playoff game. That's not the go Go's be world champions. And, and obviously you win. Games on the way to being that we didn't get that done. So, so that's the only disappointing part is my job was to win a championship and dislike it's here now in my role. Here's the help Herman and the staff here win. The Pac twelve championship and moved from there. So you know that's the those are the goals. And, and, you know, you check some boxes along the way and some unfortunately, don't get checked. I will say this that if I had a son who was looking to go to college football and college. I'd want to go play for you and her two. Great men. Well, we push that. So that's good advertisement there. 'cause I so we need. We need more sun devils. Yeah. And we're excited about that. And the opportunity, obviously, you know, Herman and his the, the man his character it's it's speaks for itself. And that's what that's what he's, he's really promoting here that he's raising these young men up to be great. Great men and will be great. Oh, you know, led by great role models, here on his staff, and they will be great men and society in great bothers and so forth, as they move forward. We might not be able to sell your home at Cincinnati but we can't sell the program in Arizona Marvin it. All right. That's great. Hey, thanks very much of the time. I really appreciate his always. I hope our paths cross soon will miss having the NFL but will be watching you hear from afar. All right. Good to speak with you. We'll be back in a moment with your ask Adam questions. But I, I wanna tell you about ZipRecruiter finding a new job as a lot of work. What if you had your own personal recruiter help you find a better job now ZipRecruiter's technology can do that for you? Just download the dip recruiter job. Search, let it know what kind of jobs, you're interested in and its technology starts doing the work the ZipRecruiter app. Fines jobs. You'll like and put your profile in front of employers who may be looking for someone like you if an employer likes your profile ZipRecruiter, let's, you know, so if you're interested in the job you can. Apply. No wonder ZipRecruiter is the number one rated job, search up my listeners should download the free ZipRecruiter job search app today and let the power of technology work for you. Don't wait. The sooner you download the free, ZipRecruiter job search app, the sooner it can help you find a better job. I can't believe it. That Philip brought his little brother on our mission in orbit how long until it get there alone. Get there. I'll learn until we get there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button, do what's this button, do what's this? Believe at Geico could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. Ask Adam osc, Adam Scotto. Gaddum we should ask Adam. Thank you for asking appreciate it, and appreciate my producer, Josh macrey, putting together these questions for another Adam Schefter podcast. Josh, thank you very much. How are the questions this week? Questions have been great in the last several weeks at I'm glad that we can get the fans involved with these ask Adam questions, the first one this week asked about some teams that have flown under the radar this off season is Nick. And I was curious has right now. What teams do you think flew under the radar in terms of traps? And some of the moves they've made so far this year. Well Nick, it's still early. Listen again, if we just go back to the draft in which the patriots Tom Brady will we have said that the patriots in June, really through into the radar with that great selection? They made in the six round of that quarterback for Michigan. No, you can't know that it's just very difficult to tell I could tell you that the Seattle Seahawks were team that headed into the draft with four picks and somehow turn all those four picks into a lot more picks. So that by the time they finished their draft. They had one first round pick. Three second round picks, one third round pick three fourth rump picks fifth to six and the seventh that was from four picks which was amazing that Seattle did that now. We'll see whether L J Collier, the defensive in from TCU can play Greg little and more Kice, Blair and decay, Metcalf in Cody Barton, and Gary Jennings, and on, and on and on, we go. But the point of the matters that Seattle, very quietly accumulated a lot more draft capital than it headed into the draft with and we'll see how that works out if we're looking for a team that may be flew under the radar. I can tell you this, the Los Angeles Rams love Taylor up the defensive back that they drafted with the sixty first overall, selection, and I will say this to you to Nick Daryl Henderson third round pick seventieth overall running back from Memphis. Here's a guy that I believe Sean McVay thought was the most dangerous offensive player in. The draft. Do you hear me Nick? That's right. They love Daryl Henderson now again. We'll see how Todd Gurley holds up how he fares. But that's my little tip for you. Nick. And all you other fancy football listeners, Daryl Henderson Memphis, running back, put them on your radar take note, absolutely one team last year. That had an off season that turned out to be better than expected the Indianapolis Colts which leads store. Second voicemail Adam across from Indiana. I'm a big fan. I was curious. I'm seeing a lot of hype about the Indianapolis Colts. And I'm all in the team as a fan, but I wanna know what you think. How can cope team go? Thanks that. We'll ross. Thanks for the question. Thanks for listening to the podcast truly appreciate it. And I would say this, first of all, did you see the link to the draft war room that the colts posted and how much they loved the players that they drafted early on rocky soon, and Ben Bana goo if I'm saying that correct? In Paris, Campbell, and Bobby ORR correctly, the linebacker from Stanford. They love these guys and they done a tremendous job accumulating talent last couple years. Chris Ballard is come in there and really shown how in organization should be acquiring personnel. And look, if Andrew luck is healthy. He's one of the best quarterbacks in football. They put together a really strong offensive line. It's not a finished product. But again, it's a very good football team with a lot of debt, a lot of talent again another one of those teams that with the benefit last year going back from two to six. So the jets could go up and get darnold. They got quitting Nelson there. They picked up the extra twos this year. So they had three to this year where they draft a cornerback defensive and a wide receiver. I mean you just have to like, what Chris Ballard is done there. The coaching staff, Nick Surani the offensive coordinator Matt, Uber, flew the defense corner. They just have made all the right moves, and they're really tracking and trending in the right direction sushi. Pretty excited. There are so the colts definitely took a leap last season. A team that a lot of people thought may take a leap didn't the forty Niners. And now one of their fans wants to know does that mean trouble for the coaching staff in the front office? Hey, Adam, this from California forty Niners go under six wins this year. Shannon his job going to be on the line. And then what does that mean for the future of Garoppolo? Thanks. Well, kevin. I appreciate the question, and I would say to you this that if the forty Niners when six and ten this year, and they decided to move on from college shining, which I don't see. Okay. I don't see that. But if they did, I would bet you the collar Shanahan would have another head coaching job within five minutes. And so I know it's easy and it's almost sport to say, well, is this guy's job in trouble. I think we've seen that the best organizations, usually, the most stable organizations, and what is it that everybody in? Football is always seemingly looking for whenever they have a head coaching opening. They're looking for the bright young fans of mine cow Shanahan. I would say is one of the two or three best young offensive minds in football all football. Okay. So they may go six and ten forever reason, and maybe they will move on from college Shannon number. I don't see it happening after this year. I don't see that. But if they did that would be their loss, and he would have no job within five minutes. So I just don't see that happening and we'll see how plays out. We will see. We'll also see if anybody is going to be on the field and a couple years with this, pending labor doom. That's what our next caller wants to talk about. This is Kevin calling from Connecticut with all the reports coming out this week about their possibly being labor strike in twenty twenty one when you think are the biggest hurdles that both believe. Has to solve both the players and the owners to keep everybody happy, the show. Thank you. Thanks very much coming. I would just say this that look last time, it seemed like the owners were intent upon keeping Roger Goodell's power intact, and making as much money as possible. They did both those things and the players seemed intent upon getting more breaks from work more time away from the facility, and they did that now I think in this go round, there's a few things that the players have to get I think they have to eliminate the fifth year option in first round draft picks deals that just really hinders players. I think there's gonna be discussion about franchise tags. Because when those were created in the mid to early nineties, it was done so that a quarterback. John Elway Dan Marino, couldn't leave his team. And now it's turned into a weapon that teams used to lock in a player and players hate it. So the owners are going to want maybe increase. Schedule. Maybe more playoff games, always more revenue. The players, I think you're gonna want a piece of that revenue, they're gonna want some ways to modify the current contractual system. There's a lot to get done here a lot and you're already hearing. About what a difficult negotiation, it could be. And you always hear that in advance. So I don't know that this is any different than any other year where there's doom and gloom forecasted. But I just think right now. It's I think it's an issue and it's a problem that sits in the future. And you'd like to think that both sides will address it tackle the issues head on get it done as soon as possible, and it won't impact football, it won't lead to any work stoppage. Nobody wants that nobody wins with that. And hopefully everybody gets it figured out before them. But, but I'll say this. There's a lot of strong language and big terms being used right now from something that may were may not happen in the future. Let's come back to the present for something that's very imminent in one fan wants to know what impact it might have on his team. Matthew. So my question is with the ravens vying for Gerald McCoy DC Brandon's Williams as possible creating candidate or casualty is contract has been restructured twice as many seasons. And I'm not sure thirty restructure likely. Well, matthew. I don't see that Nelson. We're according this Monday morning. We're waiting for a decision from Jearl McCoy. I think Baltimore square in the mix there. We'll see whether or not alternately he decided to go to Baltimore. If he does great if he doesn't great either way, I don't believe in impacts Brandon Williams either way. Brennan Williams is a guy that the ravens, I think value, sometimes when you restructuring contracts, you doing to create room and that's a team that always spends as much as it Ken to the cap and needs cap space, what goes to players that counts on and believes in brenham lanes is one of those guys, I don't think they're looking to trade him. Shop him release him. And if you like that I think that he's been there as a good soldier to give them. Cap relief. And of course, when I say this it's not like players just giving a team capital even getting nothing back. He's getting back guaranteed money now again I don't see Brandon Williams in trouble. No matter what Joel McCoy decides. And I do believe we'll get a decision later today as we tape this Monday morning. All right. Adam, we've had five warm-ups. Now it's time for the hardest OPEL Adam question, you say the Mets for last for last and definitely the most difficult one for last. Let's see if you can handle a Adam, Gino, from Chicago just calling one of the same of love what you do. Men. My question to you would be as a she Michigan fans. Who do you think is probably the biggest athletes ever come out of the university of Michigan other than Tom Brady, who was the question, Josh who was the biggest what athlete to come out of Michigan? Not named Tom Brady. Well, Charles Woodson was pretty good. He's pretty good. He did okay from south UC's, one of the greatest defensive players in NFL history. I think he's, he's worked out pretty well, Desmond Howard won a Super Bowl and be pay. He worked out, pretty well. Those guys obviously were colleagues here of hours at ESPN still are Desmond's case. Other guys, I'm thinking of off the top of my head about the new men's basketball, coach Juwan Howard that. That's a good one about Jalen rose about Jinro. Chris webber? Yeah. Define TNT announcer. How about I mean we can go on, Jim Abbott of Michigan? How about Gerald Ford journal forture president? I, he, he did okay for himself didn't he, Jim Abbott was a great Michigan man. Jim Harbaugh the head coach at Michigan. I mean, we, we got a lot of people that, that school is produced, and I'm probably forgetting right now about one hundred eighty six nine okay like those just the names like literally that just popped into our head as redoing this right now. How about Frank Clark who got traded to Kansas City this off season? Right. There's, there's a good player. How about Devin Bush who Pittsburgh traded up to go draft this year. How about so many of the offensive lineman that have come through Jake long a number one overall pick about friend of the? Podcast. Brian, greasy? How about Bryan greasy? A great man who's done so much good in our society. Yeah. I mean like around here on them not bragging, my school or anything, but it has produced in, in ordinate amount of good quality, upstanding, citizens who've done, great good in our society. One thing, everybody knows about Michigan men. They're always humble. And you just prove that Adam absolutely was that. What did I planted firmly in cheek? Yeah. That's not bragging, Josh. I'm proud of the things that Michigan is done to people. It's produced as you should be hailed on the victors. How about Arthur Miller? How about him? Rich Eisen my rich and that's right network. That's right. Yeah. Hails, the victors hail to the ask Adam callers for some great questions this week. We'll do it again in all likelihood next week. And we want you to get involved when we do so again, so make sure you give us a call. Eight six oh, five oh six five seven seven nine. Leave your question and leave your name as well. So you get the credit you deserve for being a part of the show. 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Washington Football Club President - Jason Wright

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Washington Football Club President - Jason Wright

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Team I grew up with as a die hard fan growing up Washingtonian team that has undergone so much turmoil lately. With an investigation going on with sexual harassment, even record this Washington Post coming out with new allegations. By former cheerleaders against the owner against people involved with the team, the broadcasters. Going through all that? Well, they hired a new president. Jason Right Jason Reich was former player went to the University of Chicago. Business. School went to Mackenzie was a consultant in now has been brought in as the first black president of NFL team. So, much going around about him in what a challenge he has. He is the guest on this week's business of sports podcast. We get everything his background we get into what he's been doing. Since playing again, talked about business school talked about working in consulting in how he came to be the president of the Washington football club and there are so many challenges ahead not even talking about Kovic Address as well. So without further ado guest this week on the businesses sports podcast the new president of the Washington Football Club Jason Right. Really happy to have a special guest on the podcast. The new president of the Washington football clubs someone up admired and. Followed throughout his career playing playing now, Washington football club. Jason Right. Welcome at businesses sports podcast. Thank you so much. It's a really a pleasure to be here. Yeah. You've been doing the rounds. It's nice to have you. Be On your dance card as well. especially to someone that had a background as a player agent in the team executive and sort of in a little bit. Let's start at the background with you because I seen and heard some things about you. I was really impressed. The way you talk about your upbringing. A father of that obviously had a fulltime job also activists. A mother that worked for an airlines and you're sort of instilled with a real sense of not only work ethic purpose from early on. Top about that. Yeah. Shore you know what? What? What? What you're referencing is. Now my dad civil rights activist and. But eventually realized that big bills. Wasn't a professional at the time and he became a chemical salesman and then realize like actually to provide for his family in the way he wanted. And to create opportunities for us to actually go out and have broader impact on the world. When he could imagine he really wanted to help give us a chance for economic empowerment, and so he started his own business going door to door selling insurance again, endorsed space in this hard stuff. I can't imagine that like the resilience and the fear and the worry in the back was mine around we're going to get paid you know and taken out the mass of loan to get a franchise at the time thinking about paying that back I mean it's just it's really remarkable and then my mom doing her part to just work and pay the bills on the interim. You know I slammed turnarounds from lax to Tokyo to get back in time to minimize spend on childcare you know really remarkable and I think For them, you actually put it really eloquently a combination of work ethic purpose. You know they had a purpose to make sure that as they would put it there ceiling of achievement was their kids floor. And that they needed to grind to do. And that's a little bit of how you know I see the world to the other things I care about their no causes I care about things that I want to see happen in the world and I see my role in it as you know working really hard creating opportunities for others. Yes, my kids are part of that broader them at helping to create opportunities, rathers especially, economically and that allowing us to. Move to being a better more functioning society over time. Yet I didn't really want to get to this beginning the interview but since you mentioned it in an activism in the bigger purpose where to time where obviously the world is a fire with different things. But. It just seemed like after June after the floyd protests around the country. Everyone kind of settled back, and that's always what happens people settled back to their nor in their stasis, and here we are again as we record this couple days removed from the Jacob Blake shooting in Wisconsin. Were removed from the Detroit lions basically. Scheduled activities Just as you see it and now leading club. What, what do you see coming out of this the reaction? Lives matter and in obviously your plans which are still being developed in instilling this from the culture at of their. Yeah. I mean I think on the football side you know a coach revere had said a clear marker and I'm fully aligned with. Not. Just. The strategy that he has for engaging there's an engaging the team on topics like this, but also just the spirit and the heart behind it as well. So what coach Vera is set out in it is our team policy around. New Guys using their very valuable in hard earned platform. To speak on causes like this, not just because it like this around criminal justice racial equity whatever it is coach appears basically said that look. My thinking on this has evolved over years through conversations with my players by fellow coaches and others, and our whole nation is going through a bit of an evolution in thinking about this if you're thinking hasn't evolved on this topic over the last few years I mean I don't know what to tell you. Dock your stock for some reason. At I think all of us. No matter your starting point you have learned more. You have grown in your thinking about topics like this around equity in society. and. Then he said I read the down on Constitution One. Read the Constitution it said to me that part of making this nation great is people being able to express their views. Help US evolve in move as a nation into something better to fulfill the promise of the original framing of the constitution. Because of that, I'm GONNA give my players space. To do what they need to do to express themselves and do what they believe is their part in moving us towards a more perfect union. And he's a and I I know what I'm. GonNa do. Around the anthem in this imagine he stated those things that's what he said but I'm GONNA give my players face to do and I am fully behind this both in letter and in spirit because for me as a player part of the big value of why put in the blood sweat and tears on the field. was because I did have a platform. And I affirmed that in our players have found that in sports relodge for that in anybody wherever you set whatever your platform is, whatever your spirit influences, you should you should use it for the things that you care by to a spouse, your values personal belief. So I'm behind it and I very much a firm, all the various ways that guys raise attention to the causes they care about especially as Li as pertains to actually taking action. and doing something to improve outcomes and change society in a tangible way on whatever it is a care about. So that's that's that's one piece of it. Maybe that starts to answer the question enter. Get to the business side as well but on the football side reference, your career playing. ME. Ask. You this. If you were in a moment of time like now then or even even I'm sure face issues like that during your playing career. Did. You feel restricted maybe too strong a word but did you feel hesitation to take these views affirmative stances A as a player but more. So as down the line player, not a star. Lebron is GONNA Be Insulated. From any kind of negative consequences with Dean Did you feel that as a player? I did not I did not personally as a player, but we also more in this environment right You know the things that we were talking about it. In my time. Now. While some people might disagreed with them, you know thinking about economic empowerment of both inner city communities fairly gone reversal education reforms early noncontroversial. Statements on faith in sports may be more controversal but not not substantially right now like in the center of fiery national dialogue. So. It's a different calculation than. Guys are making today I. Think what we have tried to do is create an environment and what coach Alvarez tried to do is create an environment on this team and I great this on the business side. In environment that actually is not a factor. Were that in risk calculation of is it worth it is their retribution what will happen? Etc Is non-existent Auditorium. Yes exactly. So I can't speak writ large I can't speak for other clubs. I know that coach Rivera has set that out for our guys to eliminate that or maybe you can eliminate. To minimize it and I absolutely want to provide that same environment on the business side and on the business side I think what it means, and this is every corporation I think needs to do. This is to give space for dialogue. To give space for folks of every background in all types to show how they are feeling. About the current moment what emotions at triggers? What it affects in them when they're and they're bringing to work with them, and then how do we as a company puts supports around that whether it is in a support for benefits support around. Counseling and outlets that are very personal or you know things that are more structural. You know what do we put in place to ensure that our business environment is one that promotes equity in a way that resonates with folks across the workforce. But I think it starts with giving people space to express an in space to dialogue. The best ideas come bottoms up through the workforce, and that's that's that's my on the business side while said. You. Know as a player you obviously were thinking about things and. You know onto business school booth. And Mackenzie now your role here you find that to be. Uncommon among your peers playing where you're really thinking about post career. How did you position yourself where you were you doing internships in the offseason worrying? At Day in time where I'm done with this amount the next. You know that was not in your position they only you're done the way right? Right. s majority of players Yes for me I always feel like my my natural ability was a limiting factor that helped me have the right mindset. About My. When you run for six the COMBI You gotta think about what's next? We were. Right, you know. I was mid four or five on a good day right? So So so I was always thinking about it because I really I really believed the aphorism of NFL stands for not law now. and I always knew that I think my brain would carry me further than my legs frankly. If I had to bet on my talent I would have. so I was always thinking about it. What I wish I would have done more of though and it's hard i. think it's actually hard forgotten about step back and say I think he's actually hard. You can think about it, but it's hard to take action because in order to be excellent in the NFL. Yeah, it'd be all in. It's about the minor details. It's about the extra reps on the catching jugs. It's about paying attention and watching extra film to understand exactly how the inch wide stepped affected. Your read your inability to cut back into the whole. I mean it is. We also have a game of inches like this is truly to me like it's automatically the most intellectual of our sports. It's math it's probability it's details. And so it actually requires not only a lot of physical investment but also a ton of intellectual investment to be successful player when rate limited in talent like me, it takes a lot of. and so you need to spend the time to get it done. So it doesn't actually leave a ton of time. To be proactive about some of the other things now in the off season I wish I would've taken more advantage of two things. One, the connections that I could've built while playing I didn't understand how network worked and how creates opportunities for you. Overtime, I still have this idealistic view the all you just work hard to get good grades you perform, and then things now that is not helping. People create opportunities for other people, and so we could go back I would build a really robust network of successful interesting people that align with my values would help me create opportunities for myself and others over time I, would have done that more. What I did take advantage of. The things that has interested in or the things that I was passionate about our thought might be interested in internships in off seasons in a one off season i. a basically did a bunch of seminary courses I learned. A. Renewed learned theology learn a bunch of stuff because interest in men and thought that I'd be something I did been zone on my best in terms of internships was working at state in the Sun Devil Club. As running their ticket as part of the. Ticket Office. Working in the ticket office Selling season tickets across sports and giving stadium tours and. Really valuable to me now. We're I'm sitting out the hands on experience of being someone in one of those call centers really helped me sort of chart, my course and so yes, I did take some advantage of vocational opportunities Gimme a vision for my skill set and what what was out there. But Man I wish I would have done more around my network. and. When you go to booth when you go to McKinsey In you're you're in it you know just like we were in football. Did. He did the idea of returning the NFL in any kind of administrative executive role harsher Mont before. It did not. It did not. It wasn't really on my radar I when I when I started at booth. Like I like to say, my inner nerd came raging back. It had been suppressed a little bit. For years in the League and I went to boot that a very interesting if a very rigorous quantitative place which just lit a fire, my mathematics analytic mind, which is actually my best mode of thinking. and. So you know I jumped in force learn how to Code outright algorithms. I learned how to see what I call like the Matrix ones and Zeros Code of financial statements. I loved it. I helped start a social social enterprise while I was there I just aided up. ATE IT UP and as a result, my interest pivoted from let's mail the familiar in the past to the future to what else is out there, and that's why it consulting was so attractive to me, it was a way to not have to decide what I wanted to be when I grow. Learn and continue to learn and Glean and get ideas and understand different types of businesses of different industries add very much delivered on that promise. Known people in Mackenzie were you kind of sent in house in different places where like understand the culture advise like we're GonNa actually put you there. Yeah. So the way that the model of the works is not fully in our day we mackenzie. That's GonNa take a while fully embeds with the clients. And it's not just about going into a room locker room coming up with the answer because that doesn't get implemented that ends up being a stack of papers on a desk. The model is to sit side by side with quiets embedded in their teams. Do the problem solving together, bring some outside ideas, analytics databases information that they might not be able to have on their own or not get as quickly on their own. You know provide some additional support analytic horsepower but work alongside people because ultimately you want to develop their capabilities that they can carry it forward because you don't want at least the model at Mackenzie is not to be around forever. Type of consoles just want to sit there and get a permanent office in your building. They want to build the capabilities and let you fly and they move onto the next challenging intractable topic to work with you on actually see that paradigm. That, that model of capability building and addressing problems is how I want to approach things. As well now this is about. Bringing in just some external expertise or areas that I know well. Coming in just. Fixing it myself and then saying all right. This is what I want. Here's the new plan. It's actually about working with the great talent. We have here augmenting that talent with folks that have expertise that were currently missing in the organization and collectively starting to build new capabilities. You know we have to build a robust HR enterprise here. And, we're going to do that. That's that's part of what I know is going to be something we need to do even before we get results from internal investigations and whatnot. I know what we're going to need to do. This other heirs we need to modernize. Our tools and capabilities in the way that we're approaching different aspects of the business on the revenue side So I I know some things we need to do and that that capability building approach to make sure we have sustained impact is on WanNa, think about back more washing football club president, Jason Right in a minute I the word from our sponsor Dr King's. This is Andrew Brand telling you. There are a hundred million reasons why should listen updraft gangs is giving away a hundred million dollars in prizes all their customers including one lucky winner will take on one million dollar cash prize. It's really easy to claim your share of the hundred million. Claim your share. All you have to do is download the APP sign up using Promo Code Ross RSS Enter draft can free football survivor pool, and while you're at the APP, don't forget to check out all the great daily fantasy crowd cat contests. draftkings is hosting for this week's basketball playoffs and of course, the golf. 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That's right and I can actually know those three things I think are. Once we can address and I can give you a little bit of behind later on I thought about those in the process. You know the process started my network in the Snyder's network just overlapping at the right time they were looking for business executive. And it was kind of inevitable have been a business leader in the DC area and former player for some time and the owners of the NFL team in the DC. Area. Sometime. They connected at the right time I jumped into the process that was already ongoing and described this. Before while we did talk about business, we talked about growing the enterprise franchise value all of that stuff it actually the whole conversation with Dannon tiny rooted in values. And they talked about culture as the unlock for the performance on the field office fields for the organization. Values conclusion transparency accountability. We didn't just talk about it in a kind of way. Concrete Way. Note from everything from what policies and procedures might we brainstorm having in place on the business side that would create that kind of culture. You know what sort of talent and capabilities do we need in the organization or develop within our people to be able to actually spouse those values? Where would those behaviors manifest in growing the productivity and profitability of the enterprise? We talked a pretty concrete way. And and got quite personal to we talked about business mistakes. We each individually made, which was one of my favorite parts of the conversation not sharing sharing, and by the end of it, we were very very excited to work together, and if I think about the three things you laid out. There I have a different Lens on each in each of the three the first two I actually see as really big opportunities. So the the investigation that's ongoing and issues that we've had around sexual harassment and hostile work environment and all of that. I know that we have actually great talent around the organization I've seen it in three days here. We have really brilliant business minds on the business side of the House and I expected that because when I think back to my time in the League, the way I'd characterize the votes on the business side where really brilliant people who could make a ton of more money elsewhere but were in because they're passionate about the game they want to be close to it. Is Very much true here. So I know that if we get the culture, right? If we set clear expectations, people feel empowered people feel safe. They can bring the full selves. We have great performance, Management Processes, and folks that don't meet our leadership bar find their way into something else. It is going to unlock all of that talent in a way that's going to be massively accretive to this right. So I, actually see it as a really great opportunity and I know the pathways this is actually something I've done several times. With issues almost exactly like this. inning on where the fact Shakeout I know the three or four past to get there. So to me big opportunity that aligns with my expertise that might be scary to someone else not scared of. the second one around the identity change man what an exciting opportunity a very hard, very hard challenge given the passions of our fan base their connection to the history of the club. There's so much to work through and we do have a brilliant marketing has gotten a great start on it. But for me, it has the opportunity to life. This is a generation defining. Business decision. Who doesn't want that as a chief executive you know I'd rather be I duNno. For me I'd rather be taken. Something like that. Then counting means you know. Then the last one around ownership by a different take on I don't know all the nuances of what's going on in the classic is above my pay grade and literally is. is literally above my pay grade. But. But maybe I'm being nice But to me, the simplified approach is to focus on expanding the value of the business in the franchise. Because no matter. What if we do that? If we modernize if we get better capabilities in house, if we're growing revenue if we have better fan engagement, all of these things, it does nothing but help that conversation. As opposed to hurt it. And so I'm just trying to be a little bit focused there. Yeah. I can pitch roll said and I think you've concentrated your thoughts and comments obviously on the business side. And I was ten years in Green Bay we had. We had a bright line frankly between business football. It started way back with Ron woolfe and to get them to join back in the early nineties. He's like, okay but I don't want interference. Now we didn't have an owner. President CEO, and we had board of directors, executive committee. And as you noted, they stayed on their they're they're laying all kinds of shop and local politics and like you said, the culture, the business I frankly I was I managed the cap and do all the contracts I was kind of that. fulcrum point. Between. Earn long-term and the football side like Hey Andrew can get cash signed today like. By by tonight so I seen it and I think what you're describing is very familiar. So just for you to to articulate it, handle that. You're going to be on the other side now. Is that. That sounds good but. If player issues if you have. Something that rises to the level of your attention. You know can't be that black and white in terms of hey I never will touch football side. Correct. I think there. I WANNA say never but. The the practicalities require collaboration across us as the two to three executives of this great enterprise The way of describing the bright lines is that ultimately coach Vera delivers wins and losses and ultimately I deliver dollars incense. The over-simplified view of the bright lines obviously in a wins and losses. Of a but those are the bright lines in terms of where we focus our attention where we are where we are running point. That said there obvious where we have to collaborate closely across our teams and I've actually seen really seamless communication and collaboration this week. Even in my top team meeting, the football clothes are engaged on that just number one really smart, which is, which is great that good business intuition to some of the things that we're facing where we cross over. And are operationally good executor's. So it's like it's just a really good setup but the places we overlap in the near term I think are into things anything related to. Game Day operations and execution will overlap. mycosa running the stadium, the grounds, etc. The operation side where all coupled together collaborating around nineteen and our health and safety strategy around players in staff and others Those are joint decisions where we are very much embedded together. With maybe one group playing slightly heavier role than the others. But then also to your point in the message that we take out of the building, we are very much in saint. Coach Ovarian I talk about the words we use. we talk about how we want to express our culture extra because it is one culture. Across the two parts of the organization. You know there are different manifestations of inclusive transparent and accountable on the football side, and there are other ones on my side. Coach. Revered tune out the team on Saturday after a poor practice is accountability on the football side. Performance measurements in transparency into how we're performing is accountability on my side. Different manifestations, but it is the same culture and that's where we have. That's the trickier place to be line but the place where we are the most rock-solid heading. And it's interesting you both new. I. mean it sounds like he's the old guy, but he's been hasn't coached a game both right? That's that's. Operation in this incredibly difficult environment has his own personal health issues and leading the name change I mean it and now you. You. Know I. Guess what I'm sort of suggesting is there really is a new direction. With Washington football club with doesn't have a name. and. As a personal Washingtonian grown up, my whole life is a die hard fan I would say that had change when I started working for another team. But I'm energized and I think that's that's good. I hear it from my colleagues in. DC that. You know there's some energy around this, which is great. That's good. In you know to your point, you're not the only diehard, a former guy running around. This is an incredibly engaged families. And if there's anything I learned in my weeks, zero of engaging the media engaging with fans substantial this week, it's been more about business been more internal but one thing I learned last week it is how valuable an asset we have in our fans. Because irrespective a to whether or not. Some folks that passion is more negative than it was in the past that passion is still there. And that is something that we can absolutely build on by rethinking type of engagement that we have some very excited about as a as A. A tailwind. Yes. As we think about revamping the business improving productivity growing growing our revenue over time, it's spanned value the franchise. In our final minutes, I just want to ask you talked about internally you've talked about working with coach Barra. Would Matter Turnley primarily the league I mean you're you're new in the office now the first. got started coming in on Monday and have you had conversations league-wide obviously I'm sure the commissioner was probably part of. Your hiring process. Are you talking to other executives other air? Wasn't are the hiring process by Tok ten shortly after I was hired a super helpful in helping me think through who to connect within the League office to get smart Troy Vincent is a friend and a great a great resource. For me in this process. Has Already helped me think about. What resources are drawn from the League in getting up to speed WHO's been there you know who are the comparable who were folks have been accomplished situations who talked to I mean he's just he's been super helpful and and obviously given a bunch of direct guidance himself. As. Well other folks that I. Know In and around the League that I've got on the calendar and haven't gotten to yet. But actually. Really. I hadn't understood. Hasn't sat in his chair yet the dynamics between the team in the League or they've made themselves a resource to us. On all things business related and I can't wait to draw down on. And you're talking to someone who is not I guess that Awed by first African American executive because. I dealt very often with people like ride graves Kevin. Yeah Vision as the packers, the Vikings Ray Anderson a good friend. So you know. So to me, it's like not really. Yeah, you. Sitting at where everyone else has been overstated. The exactly I've said that to you know I these leaders you mentioned that I worked under now played under a black head coach. So for me it also I think at a subconscious level was like at will black talent can thrive all all over sports. Wrench. but I get that that is not everyone's experience not the pattern recognition they have and there is a gap between. The level of representation on the field most certainly level representations elsewhere in the business valid thing to. Consider about this is mark this as. A moment of progress in that direction on me to do a good job. I guess. Last question we have to deal with the crisis playing through pandemic. A, are you confident? I mean. Actions are down has peaked today. By reference, lavish you the other day but. So, many things to thread the needle to make this happen, and we've seen are different sports different issues. Are you confident in why? Blanket confidence would be the ultimate foolishness in my opinion. I have confidence in our team here in house really high, even more than I had heading in week has made it clear to me that you know our head trainer, our leaders in football ops compared a along with my head of operations on the business side. They know what they're doing. And they are excellent execution whether it's the technology that we have in house the process we have in house the tiered system. That we built in a way that the facility has been. Very quickly built in a way that minimizes the likelihood of infection is really remarkable executing the hell out of this. So, competent I also feel confident in the flow of information from the League to us. I've gotten updated information yesterday. Came to all presidents until all the folks that are leading no infection control work at the clubs of I've really confident in the information from the League so that we are. what I'm not confident in. The, changing nature of the if there's one thing that I learned in serving businesses because every business that we are serving. In my previous role. Starting in February. Koga. Doesn't matter what you were working on new product launch culture change operational efficiency. You had to think about covert response and how it changed, what you were doing from a business and operations standpoint. So I've been steeped in Kobe world for the last six months. Read I. Have Some really good pattern recognition I know that data will I know if there's anything that it is that that that the prognosis for your company can change quickly. What we learn about how things, how the how the virus is contracted spread changes frequently, the reliability what we know about the reliability of testing in two other technology changes you know on A. Daily basis it's now more weekly or monthly basis at which we're finding more about the reliability of technology things are evolving. And in order for me. So I cannot be confident fully. Confident in our ability to make sure that we know how things are revolting that we're engaging data around effectiveness of technology on a false positive rates, things like that that we're. Getting the most up to date information on a location by location basis especially when we think about travel. We, know the environment that we're walking into that we understand internally, you know who which folks are in most contact with others most frequently, and we have the technology to allow us to do that. We have to just keep our eye on all of that stuff so that as things inevitably shifts. We know we have data on which to make decisions that give us the best likelihood of good outcomes going forward. But. No anyone who tells you that we got this Cogan ain't GonNa be an issue. God bless will wanting data has shown with the NBA NHL Major League soccer is that bubbling works? Now. You're quite an operation to try to bubble. Yeah. But You know infections are down because people have hunkered down in training camp and I think people are smart but you have to monitor that. You know you're not going to boggle. That's right I mean, yeah. You the principles of bubbling that are applicable are around. Protocols behaviors. Testing, and some sort of visibility into all of those things. Right now that's what works in a bubble is basically keeping your eye on everything having strict guidelines for what you do don't do that rooted in science and then. Testing to make sure that nothing is nothing has slipped. We're GONNA apply those same principles just won't be in one site, but if you think about a conceptual bubble That is the facility and the individual homes of people involved with the club. That's. Our bubble yeah. Yeah, we gotta manage, that bubble. And then we're GONNA move that bubble. Who Get road? That's where it gets really tricky. And, we'll see how it goes I again, conference super confident in our ability to execute. Only control we can control, and inevitably if something happens somewhere will pivot in response to that inflammation and. Where you with fans you announced for the first one who three-day names. Yeah our default is that we will not have fantasies. I could go into all the details on your decision made prior to me but I one hundred percent aligned with it We can go into some of the data in in research behind that a lot of it based on the experience of You can call interstate but there be international travel in European soccer. and what we learned about the spread of the disease. through major events there that I think is really informed. Now Dan Dannon Tanya leadership's thinking about what we're doing. Expanse health and safety is our sports. We'll put a pendant jason that's great. ruin going on you. I'm a personal fan obviously fan team I look forward to new energy in what you're doing there. Thanks again. Thank you. Thank you. The pleasure of everyone enjoyed that I try to bring you the best and brightest the leaders in the business of sports. This is someone to watch someone that could be a future leader not only of a team, but the entire League Sports Jason Right hope you enjoyed it and that'll do it for this edition of the business of Sports. Thanks to my producer extraordinaire. Brian Niemeyer musical producer. Same brand who I was looking to visit last week. And of course, thanks for following me on twitter at Indy. Brand Apple PODCASTS, rains and comments always appreciated and I'll be back next week with another edition of the business of Sports with Andrew Brand.

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 234  Bob Burch

The Tim McKernan Show

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The Tim McKernan Show Ep. 234 Bob Burch

"Yes. Yes, welcome into another dish of the democrat show here on the inside S, T, O podcast network from the home loan expert dot com studios. It's an interview segment. Our guest this week, presented by Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies online at evergreen S T L that come is Bob Birch. What life? This man has let you might be going. Think he recognized that name. How do I recognize that name? If you wanna talk about music entertainment, if you would talk about sports talk radio history and Saint Louis, and then also being married to Michelle Phillips. Well, we've just checked off all the boxes with Bob urge this is a gentleman. Who was it case? She in the seventies who was part of starting up sports. Talk radio in Saint Louis, and who has seen it all in radio. So often we get these questions on the podcast or requests for guests in sports talk radio sports talk radio history and Saint Louis. And this is a name in radio and in Saint Louis radio, and then also eventually. Some huge markets outside of Saint Louis that can tell all kinds of stories. And that's what he did here from the home loan expert dot com studios today. Presented by Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies. Ladies and gentlemen. Bob Birch, by the way, what's going on there? People are Stanley Cup crazy man, as you might imagine. Oh my God. I tried watching it every night down here. It's got a bunch of people over here. And we watched it was crazy. It's absolute best. So where are you where are you in? Four Agee told me you just move down to Florida, where in Florida because I, I want to move down to Florida. I'm curious where you went. I'm living, actually in Cape, coral and a gated community down here that's near Santa Bill Fort Myers. My right. Is that where the but that's and fifteen twenty minutes on comedy year, you know? Lived in Saint Louis all your life. And just like you know what I gotta get? I gotta get to the Florida. Really, I started in saying Louis, and I would want to California for quite a bit of my career. I always in California for twenty eight years all total. I've been there twice and I was in Saint Louis, I guess I don't know two three four times for work. And this last time I stopped with for years and kind of caught up with my mother. She died and bad reason really stayed is came down here. Love that area. Well, I Iggy I watched that case she documentary. And then, of course, you're, you're history of CAF s and so a lot of our listeners are just fascinated when we get into discussions of Saint Louis radio and your history and Saint Louis radio is, I mean it covers so many eras and then also formats, so the start was case she DJ -ing at night is that correct? Is that how it started for you? Well, I started I started at Keishi in nineteen seventy sixty nine or seventy and I was doing nights on the weekends for two weeks. And then tonight was doing mid days, he, he died, and they gave me the job and I felt I started was doing mid days, and then I did that for three or four or five years and became production director, and the music director and finally program director. And then I got then I, I got our station in Detroit. And was doing both programming both. And, and then I got the station in Los Angeles. And I moved to Los Angeles. I got divorced. I moved to Los Angeles, and we got the station that San Francisco. So I became the national program director sometimes towards the mid seventies and was involved with that for some eight years, or so out of Los Angeles. So I just basically traveled for those eight years to Saint Louis and, and not, not as much to Saint Louis because my boss show like rap and was in Saint Louis. And so it was really Detroit San Francisco out of LA that's a pretty quick rise to go from doing, you know, the, the night shift is a deejay Casey to, you know, being an executive out of Los Angeles my right on that. Well, it seems like a quick. It was it was kind of quick three happened quickly back then FM radio was just kind of getting it started. And we were all feeling our way along. Nobody really had any experience and I happen to know the music well, and all that the Jays kind of knew the music. And you know, I expressed to them an interest in moving up, and that's what I did. So it was like five years, and I was doing overnights for two weeks and the rest of the time days and, and I go ahead and work towards the night and into the into the night doing some production and so forth. And we ended up ended up national PD. Well, in that case she documentary, one of the things that stood out to me that was just so like almost like fantasy land. But I've had John, you would in here, and he's told the story about, I think I think he was talking about Billy Joel dish showing up. That's what it was Pete is. So what story stand out to you, where you guys are in Crestwood, and you're just doing your show? And because it was so important to get airplay for these artists. They would land in Saint Louis, and then head right to case she to try in, in, in get their songs and the records played. So who did you run into? Well, I guess the Billy Joel, an instance, that the John Hewlett, stalking about is probably the one that happened with me. I guess I was an interview with him and he just had his first album out. And these where's it really you know, the Billy Joel, then he was just kind of kind of a up and comer and came into the station. And I interviewed him in the middle of the interview he pass out. It looked to me and I don't wanna put put words in anybody's mouth, but it looked like he was kind of heroin and 'cause it's behaved like that. And he just not it out right there on the air and kind of it was kind of funny and not funny. You know what I mean? That was that was that was warm. I get I guess, I got most of the interviews because I was doing mid days for for a long time. And, you know, the day was with the time these artists had their time off, so they run over the station and back in those days every artist who was any artist at all. They came by Keishi, and they, they were in their don't ask me that the name them all, but because I can't remember them all the two or they all came in there, and it seemed like to me, I got I got most of the interviews that was doing mid days, at least in those times. Yeah. I mean, that's the idea that saying then twenty nine thousand nine looking back on it. Like we're excited if we can get like a beat writer covering the Bruins on, on the show, much less. Have somebody come into studio much less have some of the caliber of artists who came to you guys. It's just so foreign, it's such a. Oren concept in the moment. Bob, where you think in God? This is amazing. This is going on here. You're just like now, this is the way that it that the business works, and I'm, I'm not really overwhelmed by the fact that, oh, there's Billy Joel or take your pick of whoever else is coming by, you know, James Carlton of the Carlton state farm insurance agency is my insurance agent. So this is a first hand endorsement of James Carlton and his staff in Webster. Groves three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or go online at Carlton insurance dot net. I think a lot of people just go Kay. We'll have got a guy. I've got a lady, I'm good. I don't really care to talk about insurance. It's something, you know, I'm twenty five whatever and that's fine. I understand I used to think the same way and then I go down to my basement on March thirtieth of two thousand nineteen in the basements, flooded and the world changes it just so happens because my interactions with James been James have been so positive that my wife and I switched to James Carleton in late twenty eighteen and I'm telling you, if we had not the odyssey that has been a flooded basement throughout all of this precipitation in Saint Louis would have been infinitely more difficult to navigate without somebody is active and on top of it is James Carlton, his phone number is three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or you can go online at Carlton insurance dot net. And even now he's still checks in, you know. I mean it's, it's just a different ballgame. And even before we had that, which, of course, was a substantial issue. You know, we weren't covered on on something right for forgotten to make a payment. It wasn't like it was like some monster payment. It was a small payment. He's like, hey just so, you know, you haven't made this payment would make sure that's taking care of your. Covered. It's just it's, it's different. It's different in a much better way. And that's why you know, if you ran into me at a bar restaurant, and said, hey, you know, and I have had happened. Hey, tim. Who's that insurance agent people Email me, and I go James Carlton here. Let me include him on the on the Email, and I know he's going to be on top. I don't think twice about it sound like I'm like, oh, yeah. Let me tell you about him, and then somebody actually wants to follow up. And I'm like, oh, God. I hope he does. Okay. The best the absolute best, and you're talking about your biggest investments. She wanna make sure they're taking care of properly, James Carlton, and his staff at Carlton state farm insurance agency will certainly do that. Three one four nine six one forty eight hundred or go online at Carlton insurance dot net. If your insurance costs leg and arm called James Carlton stayed. Ron. Wasn't. It wasn't so much the way, the business work that was the only the only thing anybody ever given back then. I mean they FM radio hadn't been around long and one of these artists were, you know, camp new, Jim Bob Seger. And, you know, all these guys they come out of the station, and it wasn't it wasn't like we had anything to compare it to. It just was any volving situation and you mean were pretty used to it. There used to be three or four guys come in their week. I mean the who and Santana, they all stop by everybody that, that was anybody came by the station. So, you know, but at that time, they weren't necessarily, these huge artists that they became as time went on, but they all came by. It was kind of a kind of a thing they had to do, and, and the commotion guys at all bring him out now after the success of Casey in what we talked about with you going on to run. Other stations and move into loss Angeles. You also became the GM of Casey K and turn that into the number one music station in Saint Louis. So you're going from classic rock, and what is still a one of the most signature stations in, in FM, and certainly in Saint Louis in case she and then operating stations out of LA to now, going to adult contemporary, what were the similarities in the strategies you employed. And what were the differences in in, you know altering format. Caisson K. And I love Casey K. I love Casey. I love cagey, because that was kinda my baby. They, they were kind of a kind of an easy listening station more more than than in a fee station when I got over there, and I went king as a program director, and I eventually became GM not, not not too long after I was I was named PD. But you know we, we. Programming. It changed a lot from the time, we were at -cation to we came over there. It was all computerized, and, you know, we had various categories, and it was all done on the computer on, on music program. And so I, I you know, I'm basically diktat the artists and, and the, the songs, and we went from there, it, the station really took off, and it became it became quite, why did deal we did we did various promotions, which made a lot of noise, we band, Madonna. I remember for her sex book, and I thought, up all kinds of ways, we could leaky bring attention to ourselves to newspaper and, and things like that. And and we, we we, we had a stellar staff. I mean, absolutely amazing staff. I had Goodman, Mary Rupak, who was married Carson. In them. I had, you know, could Lord I can't even remember all of them, but they just in the morning show. We had all kinds of people and, and, you know, the guy that food out copter, and all that stuff. You had them all on the morning. So it was it was about, as big a morning show as CAD Cam away ex, but, you know, it's it, it took off, it is just took off and, and the interesting thing, really I you know, I, I managed to, to, to see that through to do quite well. But what was really amazing was cagey K was AM and FM. They were simulcast so they would really broadcasting the same thing on AM as we were on that frequency where you went on, on AM I didn't know that. Well, yes, it was, what k- k AM. And then I went to the owners who outta town and convince them to let me. Try all sports. And I really had a twist on. It was only one all sports station in the country at that time, it was WFAN, I believe was the only sport station. And he said, okay, I'll let you try for a while. And I said, it would kind of fund itself as we went along the station would kind of fund itself. So I would add people were making money and. Because off and we make quite a bit of money with it, it was was, we had everybody in that town that was in sports working at the station. You think you'll find most of the guys that, that are there now at one time or another worth KF an us, the I'm looking at he put together a roster of the names because he said, after all sports ks people that caffeine was born under your leadership. John sloan. Bob ramsey. Mike Claiborne Drome beddis was doing Aram show. Brennan Shanahan doing a hockey show your cardinals in Rams pre and post game show. How tough was it putting together a format? When like you said, there's only one other in the country, and it's in New York City with WFAN you're kind of Lewis and Clark and do some on ventured into frontiers. Well, it wasn't that hard. I mean, I kind of added people as we went I wasn't the guys that own the place to throw a whole lot of money. It. So I had I had developed a sales staff and, and develop the money first, and then I would add pieces than pieces and pieces as well along and most of the guys, the got involved, concede, a in it, and really, really was an, an avenue that they didn't have. And everybody was kinda chomping at the bit to get on. So I, I didn't have any any real problems getting people, and I mean, I had my Bush and everybody that was anybody in sports in that town. I had woken for him run and Channing am bread hall. All these guys were were doing shows for them. The only thing I had a problem with with baseball baseball players. Just didn't come in, in the off season or anything. They really didn't have much to do with it so weird. Because at the deal now it's the exact same deal now really? Yeah. Well, I, I don't know what it is about baseball players. Whether it's really their ego, or what it is. But I'll tell you one thing from my experience, but football guys were pretty good guys. They would come in the off-season drum better with a great guy he had his own show. I put that together with him and, and the the but the greatest players of all where I keep player always. It always the best, and always the most respectful and always always on a great job. And, and these guys, you know, I was really screening. 'cause, you know, call me Mr Bush. Kinda kinda I'm kinda got me, but I tell them, you know, that's up. And you can call me. It really, they really were were a bunch of nice guys, guys, money, co was there and bread hall. And then, of course, Brendan Shanahan they will really, really good, guys play golf with them. And we had a good time. Iggy says you were one of his favourite. He says, I was one of his bosses, and you or one of his favourite bosses. So we're on a special list together and, you know, he's had a lot of bosses Bob. So it's it's a large. Ford sample vote. Wh what kind of boss were you because you are. I mean you obviously let all kinds of different radio stations and in, in Radio Corporation. So what, what did you employ? Because unfortunately, as you're probably well aware, there are a variety of different strategies employed by radio management, and often times it doesn't work. Sometimes some unique personalities get involved in it doesn't work. What did you try to adhere to that made you successful, I think it was it was pretty easy. My from my point of view. I think being fair was was what I probably was known form. Probably why I was well, like 'cause I was was I, I was real fair with all these guys I reestablished the upfront rules and, and it will, and that he followed the rules and you didn't work. There was a simple of that. And I wish you will fail with them. I paid him fair, fair price and the affair salary and, and all the. Guys, you kind of respected that they, they wanted to, to get what the what they were worth and, and I paid them. But I expected a great deal in, in reach on. And I got that pretty much for most of them, not all of them, but, but most of them, and it worked out real well, I mean, I, I, I like to think that I was well liked, but I was I liked the guys that were there. I mean all the guys who worked for me there. I really liked the guys we had some problems. We had some problems, but on the most part, they were all good guys and treat fairly Mark Hanna of evergreen wealth strategies Canepa Cise enough how important it is to have a financial adviser. But then it's not just any financial advisor at somebody who, who knows. But cares you get plenty people. No, but cares Marquette helps everyday people every day, get their finances organized. You can call him at three one four eight eight nine zero. Five zero three that's three one four eight eight nine zero five zero three or go online to evergreen S T, L dot com. His name is Mark. Hanna he is with evergreen wealth strategies and I can tell you from getting to know Mark you're over the last year, that this is my first class person who has your best interest at heart and just calling him at three one four eight nine zero five zero three is gonna make you feel better in your on the right track Mark Hanna, evergreen wealth strategies. Three one four eight eight nine zero five zero three or go online at evergreen ST, L dot com. It now it's more than a quarter century later. Can you believe KFI s is still around in all sports radio? I mean, my God, there's I would imagine at this point, and there's hundreds of them or cross the country. Yeah. There's usually two three in town. I mean city that city big as say Louis is. But I, I don't know. There's there's two there in Maryland. And, you know, there's there's quite a few quite a few in every city. I mean they're taking taking network feeds in smaller cities. So it's, it's interesting. It's it became quite a phenomenon. And, and now it's just the kind of a foregone conclusion you're gonna somebody's gonna ask sports. I'm really to. Curious with, with your knowledge and experience, you know, as I look at it, and I, I've never had anything to do with any music format that I wonder five years, ten years from now, what the viability of music station will be. And then along the lines running parallel again with the experience you have in the all sports fan, Matt format what you think the viability of an all sports format. Because now you have so many young people, they don't even listen to the radio. They're going to just go Cam analysts and on Pandora Spotify. I'll listen I tunes. I it from talk standpoint, I'll listen to podcasts, our audience, even though I'm forty two. You know Jim Hayes is in his fifties, Doug vaughn's in his sixties, our audiences younger in their twenties. And I'll CDs guys show up to our events and I go, how'd you find an AM radio station? You know where where everybody's at least ten years older than you all? It's like a podcast we podcast at all. So I'm curious how these stations will. I don't know if survives the right way, but adapt and somebody who's done it into the successful. You know, career you've. Had bob. I'm curious what you think about it. Well, you kind of answered your own question, there's so many different alternatives for, for music that, you know, the radio is going to have to accept the fact that there, you're, you know, they're, they're not the only source anymore, like they were when I was coming out for they're just they're just one of future choices and they're gonna have to adapt it, and they have at that, that they've cut way back on expenditures. And they don't have. Nobody has a big morning show like I had a case Kate of very few even camel Xs, cut back. So it's, it's a music standpoint. It's a matter of cutting back and, and having having a cohesiveness in terms of all your staff. They have two guys you know, they general managers look, after two three four five stations now, whereas they only look at one and maybe to back in the old days and they just gotta make the most of. Of what they have in order to, to make ends meet as far as the, the talk talk radio is concerned. I've always thought at talk radio would have its place and on the radio, I always believed that because talk radio is something that's very topical very. Now, you know, you listen to music radio doesn't really matter. But, but talk radio is very topical very it's a today. It's what happened in our ago. That's what they're talking about it. Where else are you going to get that local kind of feel? I always felt that the talk radio would last and I'm not saying musically won't last either. But I think talk radio always will have its play I agree. I'm glad to hear you say that I mean obviously, it's what I do. But, you know, I got I was it was a sports anchor came Lovie. And I got out of that fourteen years ago in Mike Bush came in here, and we did interview, and he goes, how did you know? And I go to you mean he goes hog, no. The business was going to change. Go one. I mean how didn't how didn't you? You know, I mean it was obvious what was going happen now? Mike was, of course, you know, primary anchored or instill is different ballgame. I was the weekend anchor came Lovie. It's a you know, different worlds as far as compensation goes. But with so I saw local TV, and I would short that all day long but with talk in my opinion it will still be there. And if anything podcast helped now like Bernie Miklas on opposite me dug in Jim Hayes. And if you want to hear from Ernie, you could still listen later in the day you can listen to us later in the day because of podcast. So if anything, it's like I heard, who was it Kimmel was on with Howard Stern a couple of weeks ago and Stearns, like how come you don't hate Jimmy Fallon and Stephen Colbert? I don't know. It's different now. Because if you wanna watch our shows you can still watch our shows on YouTube in Stearns, like, yeah. I guess when I was on, you know, I'm up against Imus. I'm up against whomever and I gotta get everybody that I can. And so the mindset of radio wars is changed because the content is available whenever you want it. Well, that's, that's something that's, that's obviously come along, pretty much the podcast and those kind of faith team when I was really kind of in the twilight of my career there were podcast and so forth. But I question is to at question as to how many people you're really gonna get tuning in on a regular basis to a podcast podcasts? Have never been to my knowledge. They've never absorb a great deal of the broadcast audience. That's available out there. They do they do get some. They do get it regularly. But it's, it's, it's kind of a small sample of of, you know, aside from the big guys, you know, the big guys it gets a lot of sampling. It's not that much, not that big a deal as far as I know right now. I, I've had people say, I do the radio show, and then I do the podcast and people say, why don't you just take your shows? Percent podcast. And I said, well, the way I the only way I can explain it without actually getting into the numbers, of course. I know the numbers in my head on the advertising revenue is, if we all agree that acts is our annual revenue. How much of acts would come over if we were strictly podcast in my estimation, which is, of course, arbitrary is it best thirty three percent and thirty three percent of X isn't going to get it done. So at least for the time being radio has to be part of of the game plan. I just don't know of podcast will replace talk radio, or if it will just kind of run as a, a niche for, you know, people to do additional work. I don't I don't know. You know, I think podcasts I think will. Will will last and they are. But they can't be as topical as radio can I mean if something happens in the world of sports right now. You get it on the radio. Light guys cover it. Everybody covers it. Hey, under that on podcast. You may cover it and cover it later. But people are really going to want to hear about it, that are really interested in, in a blue trade. But immediately going to the radio or else, they're going to go. See and that's and that's why I think the viability for talk radio is there. I really do think that's the case. The music music Ellen. I agree the music of element of it. I don't know how they I, I really don't know how they'll, they'll adapt on this Brian Kelly's, the home loan expert, and he is the sponsor of our studios here on the Tim mckernan show without him. We don't have a podcast, so make sure you're supporting our sponsor, Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com, and with interest rates dropping and this being home buying season. This is a. Prime time to get in and get yourself a great rate and lock in or if you want to refinance, now's the time to do so Ryan, Kelly's, the person to do it with he is online at the home loan expert dot com. Ryan Kelly the studio sponsor of this program Ryan Kelly, the home loan expert dot com now, this is a fun fact that I didn't know Iggy of course with the thorough notes. Now I have no idea. If you wanted somebody said, hey, Tim, could you talk to you about your ex-wife I'd go? Yeah. That's probably not something I can do. I can show you the divorce decree if you'd like it's not allowed, but you were married to Michelle Phillips Iggy goes, you gotta ask him about it, and I go, I don't know if I want to ask him about it, but I'll ask and you can say yet, let's not talk about it. So I'm asking about it. And you can tell me Tim don't talk about. Everybody always asks about that, Michelle. Yes, I was I was married to her for. I guess four years three and a half four years. We were together. And she fact yesterday was both day. I talked to all the time we're good. Friends and China Phillips or the her daughter, and my stepfather, I guess, we we'd been fairly close talked to three times a week, text and so forth. So I remain very, very close than the intertwined with that family. In fact, last summer, I went out to Craig Lambert, who's a little promo guy. And I stayed in his house while he went to when we went to Italy, and I had Michelle come up and the kids, come down from Santa Barbara, and we all had a great time. So Michelle is a great gal. She's, she's a seventy five she had a birthday Esther day. And I'm sure if she was was here, she sent you all her pets. How about the how'd you guys meet you meet back in the radio days. I su-. That, that would stand to reason. Yeah. Wow. It was it was kind of a kind of an interesting story. I was in a why Christmas one year and we in some guy's record promotion. Guys Billy pass and we Anderson, some of those guys and roll over there and staying in the Royal Hawaiian, and we had a big, big giant sweet and one of the guys was paying for the whole thing. Mark craner. We had had a big hit record into that. They had some by reality yells it. And he paid for everything these. You know whatever having a good time we're there for a week and we met pop raison who was her manager. And, you know, Bob ask Ray Anderson and myself if we would mind when we got back me getting together with Michelle. She had a solo career going and, and was having I guess, a couple of roadblocks, and they wanted to see what we devise them what we buy shirt now. So when I got back we said, yeah, we got back and Bob called. And he said, he was on his way. Well, we'd have cell phones then. So I couldn't couldn't say no which is kind of inclined to do that. I had a girlfriend, but so he showed up and we went and I don't know the rest is kinda history. Like it, though. I like it, though. Final question considering you've done it all if somebody were not just looking to get into radios because the on air thing I feel those questions, you're, you're enjoying yourself in Florida. I'll keep fielding those questions and give people essentially caveat them tour of they're going to want to get into on your radio especially in two thousand nineteen or on Aaron sports casting in general. But as far as operating a radio station because I have done that in a limited capacity advice, you would give somebody because you've done it, and you've done it successfully. What would you say from the business side of radio advice you would give people? Frugal. So good that the so so good. I mean, that's what you've got to look at it radio's change so much you've got to look at where every way you can to cut every nickel you can, and you better have a good sales staff to plan better. About the best, I could do as far as I'm telling you something. I'm glad to hear it though because all debts confirmation bias because that's exactly what I think, is. Well, so coming from you that means a lot. Bob, thank you so much, especially when you're hanging out and relaxing for joining us here on the program really enjoyed the conversation. My pleasure to take it easy. Thanks, bob. So there it is, Bob Birch here on the Tim mckernan show telling his stories of his experiences in the radio industry. And then also as we wrapped up there, how he wound up being married to Michelle Phillips and still in touch, and on. Good terms with her as well. Thank you, as always to our sponsors, Ryan Kelly, the hormone expert dot com are cana-, evergreen wealth strategies online at evergreen STL that, calm, James Carlton of the call in state farm insurance agency designed air heating and cooling online at design air service dot com, and finally Johnny Llandough Chevrolet, Atlanta dot com. Highway two seventy and the Washington Elizabeth exit Chevy. Find new roads is always any questions comments feedback suggestions questions for questions from the audience Email me, t-, mckernan, and inside SEAL dot com. Questions from the audience comes your way every Wednesday. Our guests every Monday for gangster Pete for Iggy. I'm Tim Kernan, and this has been another edition of the Tim Kernan show on the inside STL podcast network.

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Hour 2: Big Ten and Pac-12 Fall Sports Postponed

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Hour 2: Big Ten and Pac-12 Fall Sports Postponed

"Counting down the days next Monday, I'm back coming back to ESPN radio every weekday starting at noon eastern time for a couple of hours and I'll be followed by my buddy Max Kellerman we'll do two hours after that we're both still doing our TV shows and then we'll go overdo ESPN radio and then we'll be followed by the dynamic new team Chanel McCain, Mike Golic junior with all the energy. You could ever possibly imagine it's all part of ESPN radio's new revamp lineup it all begins next Monday and I actually made the remark many times. Yesterday's I was doing a rehearsal boy. I would love to have had the news we had yesterday as much as they hated, the news yesterday to do on the radio. It's an enormous day. We're just past ten o'clock in the morning eastern time here on. Mike Greenberg were Bristol this get up with you for the next sixty minutes and then I. Take will come your way in its entirety on really a monumental day in the history of American sports the major news from college football that has consequences that are going to be felt for a very long time. Here's how it went yesterday I the big ten announcing it is postponing its fall football season. Maintaining the hopes of playing in the spring that decision made just six days after the conference reveals its schedule, and then just over an hour after they did that the PAC twelve essentially the same thing they voted to call off fall sports also with the hopes to play in the spring the last time there was no PAC, twelve football, which then was the Pacific coast conference was nine, hundred and fifteen. Then last night espn can from the big twelve will move forward with its plan to play football using a nine plus one schedule conference season won't start until September twenty sixth. Here's more on the decision from the Big Ten and the PAC twelve. All the decisions that we will make. During my tenure here at the big ten will always put the mental and physical health and safety in wellness our student athletes at the center. And how you look at this decision? It. Just we just believe collectively there's too much uncertainty. At this point time to encourage our student athletes to. Participate in fall sports to see Oh group was unanimous that this results decision was necessary. We cannot bubble our student athletes like Pro Sports Ken were part of broader campus communities. Soon, athletes living with your students on campus interacting enough questions and concerns had been raised that an answer is we need more time we need that we didn't feel comfortable moving forward. There was enormous reaction yesterday including from players. The highest profile player in the entire big ten is justin fields. He simply tweeted shaking my head Illinois receive rich of on. Sydney, said I just don't get how playing football isn't safe but attending classes is if the season is canceled because they're looking out for health house attending classes not worse I'm not safe to be around the same people who are tested constantly but I'm safer on many different peers. That's one of many questions we're in search of answers here. This morning and heather damage has been providing a lot of them for us and we have a huge crew that we put together reese. Davis has joined us this morning. You as always David Pollack Desmond Howard but heather. I'll start with you again as we continue to work our way through what was a huge day yesterday one of the most important things that college football fans should know coming off of this day. Well two things one, the reason that Kevin War and the big ten commissioner told me they changed their minds six days after making their announcing their schedule was because of the pandemic he said a lot of people are confused about the timing and it's he said, he understands the question but he said that as the players are preparing now at this point to go full contact and actually start practicing football which they haven't really. Done yet, he said this was the time our medical advisory people said to us it's time it's time to stop and they listened to those medical experts on their advisory panel. In the PAC twelve. It's a little bit of a different situation because they are reacting to what is happening there right now they're medical advisory board told those presidents that the testing capacity, the availability, the turnaround time it varies at each individual packed packed out. I can't talk to Maureen, PAC twelve school, and then when you're looking at that whole area, it's hot spots. I mean New Mexico state right now is a program that is desperately trying to play football. But if you're a team that wants to schedule them, you have to quarantine for fourteen days before you go into that state. So there are some very real issues out west that led the pack twelve to its decision medical in this procedural if you will considerations and all of this, and then obviously there are also legal questions about liability. So many people are asking how much of these decisions is about liability? What is the right answer to that question? Well Ray Anderson in the PAC twelve at Arizona state yesterday had some very strong words and saying this is not about liability and he has a legal background. He said this is all about the health and welfare of our student athletes I. Mean when it came to liability, he was very strong in his stance saying that it has absolutely nothing to do with it and we can't put a waiver out. We can't put that on us or on them it's not it has nothing. To do with that. So they were very clear that in the PAC twelve, this is completely about their reaction to the coronavirus pandemic and the high infection rates throughout their particular geographic footprint. Well, let me bring the crew in here and I want to start with Davis. Again, the host, of college, Gameday joining us for the first time this morning, it's been a an enormous day and I've seen a lot of your coverage yesterday, which is exceptional. What are your primary thought this morning? Well first of all, you know disappointed for the players who aren't going to be able to pursue their seasons in the big ten and PAC twelve. But at the same time, understanding that there's a greater situation to address in terms of the public health The one thing that has stuck out to me though Greenie. Is this notion of Spring football which I think is irresponsible if if pursued in the way. I went back through the NC Double A.'s guidelines for preseason spring practices, and all of it was aimed at reducing injury and player health and safety, and the number of times they allow live full contact with contact and all you guys know that very rarely do teams practice with tackling to the ground these days in an effort to keep you safe but there has to be some contact credit for the season. You have enough contact in practice would by definition, get ready for soon enough to. See what's allowed screen now then have them play games then give them some period of time off. Even if you stretch the season into the fall, I just don't see how you can say that you are you are backing player health and safety, and then sit well we but we also might point twenty one or twenty two games during a calendar year that people challenge me and say, well, they're getting time off now. Well, that's like going on a diet and getting in great shape and then for the next nine months eating a double cheeseburger and fries chasing it down with a milkshake and a bag of oreos and go mount went on a diet last year, it should be fine. Yes. You've just described my diet for the most part I. Understand the point you're the point you may as well take heather I want to just quickly come back to you because I think a lot of people wonder what does that even mean playing football in the Hembo just popped up there. It's been one hundred and twenty, six years since the Division One, college football game was played in the spring. What do they mean when they say maybe we'll play in the spring. Green they don't know PAC twelve commissioner Larry. Scott. Said yesterday we're still working on it. We have a lot of work to do there a lot of questions, Kevin Warren the big ten commissioner said, we don't know yet when I was asking these commissioners about their potential models a month or two ago. Spring football was a last resort. We'll talk about it. And deal about it when we to, and now they have to Mac Commissioner Jon Steinbrecher told me on Saturday morning after they postponed they've got a twelve month plan. So that's what you're looking at. That's the scope of this to try and figure this all out but this season has got to be condensed for it to work David Pollack Spring football your thoughts. Well I think the concern that reese brought up as a realistic wanted I. think that's the biggest hurdle. You know what? I'm not worried about I'm not worried about the players from the aspect of if we found a way to spring ball, everybody's like. Well, wait a minute so and so's going to go to the NFL heard mcshea earlier the top ten guys literally would not play. College football in the spring who cares there's a bunch of guys that sign in January by the way that are going to be in there to play football there's a bunch of other guys that would play football. So I I'm the same belief of race with the amount of counting you can take and it isn't about all that stuff but if you're talking about from a player's standpoint. Okay if guys leave go that's fine. There's plenty of more guys at every school. There's there's hundred one hundred scholarships that you can pull from that that people right there could contribute to their team. So I don't look at that as a big hurdle. I think that a lot of people do race. And agree with David. Next man up would be there and I think the other thing to David brings up in terms of scholarship numbers. If you know if you were to allow eligibility to continue right here as you've already seen, in spring, Sports Greenie, they've allowed rosters to expand they've allowed to financial aid to go on to other schools have it. At their discretion whether they're willing to do that because it costs more money but I agree with him I don't think the issue of guys opting out the NFL draft is a I mean look it would love to see those guys play I'm not saying that but I don't think it means you can't play I. Think the bigger issue is amount. Of Time to recover from one season, certainly, concussions would be at the forefront. That's number one. We all understand that assuming that we have to pandemic in mitigated state, but concussions would be number one but I don't think it's just that the off season the full off season training that allows these excellent strength and conditioning programs and high-performance programs to get guys. Ready to lessen their risk of injury as much as possible. That's important and you condense that and you take away some of trading type or recovery it difficult desmond. What I haven't had a chance to ask your thoughts on the possibility again, these conferences said that we're not cancelling we're postponing the spring. I suppose out there. What do you think of it? I think they're just trying to be hopeful they're trying to give the the community, the society. Just. Some hope that there might be a football soon as far as spring is concerned I don't know if it's realistic. We don't know where we'll be with the pandemic at that point. I do I think are headed out the park with them being irresponsible as far as having two seasons and in a twelve month period I think that hit it out the park with that one because that is really a concern us a major concern especially when you're talking about player safety, the only answer to that question would be, would they how greatly would they delay the? Fall season if they're going to have one. So if you have a spring season, I, don't think you can go back to back in and have a pharmacy scheduled when you normally have a fall season. So it would definitely have to delay that outside of that I don't know how realistic it is and obviously David. That's a great point you will. You will miss the superstars. Because the draft isn't April the NFL draft, but you do have other guys though scholarships who are are ready to take those guys spots. You know they're hungry and they're they're anxious to play too. So you still can have guys feel those those positions it just won't be the Marquis guys you want to see I agree with that you can feel a team if you want to the point is that if you're still planning on playing again in the fall you absolutely. Should not guys I'll leave it there for minute. Thank you all still to come as we continue on get up this morning whatever happened if a champion is ultimately crowned in college football, what exactly will that mean for the sport? What exactly will that mean for the schools those are the questions will have the answers and then it wasn't all bad news in sports yesterday did you see what Dame Lillard did in the bubble we'll tell you what he did that only will. It ever done before and on the way up on ESPN. Back on get up and the performance of the night no question came from the bubble and Damian Lillard trailblazers need wins and they were taking on the Mavericks in a high scoring affair fourth quarter three minutes ago Lillard team down three not anymore drills. The three two tied at one twenty, four daimler was nine of seventeen from three point range last night and look at the range right here. How about the friendly bounce Damian Lillard scored sixty one points in this game last night his third sixty point game of the. SEASON, only wilt Chamberlain at ever done that before. But whether whether it's still needed to win next Blazers possession tie game lillard driving dishing Hassan whiteside. Yes. Blazers up to ten seconds ago now mavericks down by one. Where are you going for a bucket Luca Trey Burke, kick it out for game winning three but hold everything dame lillard ruined charge because there anything that man can't do. He draws the foul on Burke and that's that would end Dave Wilson scored sixty one and the blazers get a big win by three. One thousand four, hundred, thirty, one tonight, we've got action for you on ESPN doubleheader starts at six thirty eastern Sixers Raptors, and then at nine, you got the clippers trying to wrap up the two seed taken on Denver Coverage begins with NBA countdown six eastern on ESPN and the ESPN. APP. That was the big performance of the day. The big game story of the day I should say excuse, me was this one, the big ten, and PAC twelve becoming the first power five conferences to postpone sports the big ten's decision impacts football soccer, cross country volleyball, and field hockey. The PAC twelve applies to all sports through the end of twenty twenty that includes football and basketball. Sportswriter Pat Dooley shared this on twitter coach spurrier called a few minutes ago said the SEC and ACC play their seasons and the winners face off for the national title because one conference was going to win anyway. As an alum of a big ten school I resent that to be honest with you. But that's the ball code for you. Let me bring my crew in here to react to that and more recess here. Paul is here and David. I will start with what what is it that race? I was just laughing but I know. Alec said he wasn't lying about how our? Ohio state could have won the national championship this year but the fact of the matter is is no team from either of those two conferences as won a game in the college football playoffs since the first year of it so you know. It's funny. It's classic spurrier but I do think Ohio state would have been a contender this year David Pollack. Let me put the question to you this way if the three other power five conferences do go forward and play and they play a college football playoff and everything else rule the championship be legitimate without two of the power five having even played a season. One hundred percent will I would ask somebody think it'd be legitimate and listen I think you need the majority I think you need three out of five to make it legitimate. But what just said the last five seasons everybody outside the SEC and the zero and nine Ohio states always in the mix there always a team that you got to be fearful of because of their talent level and they they're more built like those other teams but no. I think that if you look through the history of time and you WanNa talk about Asterix Fall speak to this. National Championships claimed throughout the Times of back in the days there was a lot of claim national championships and a lot of aspects. So if three of the five major conferences play, I, there's no Asterik to me and I think you'd earn it Paul. By. The Way David Drive I think Alabama is national championship in the forties when they came in third in the SEC. So it will be done. I'm not as optimistic as David in the legitimacy of it and. First of all, you're eliminating the Rose Bowl, which I think is you know really a critical game on the college football schedule. No reason would agree with that but but I have a hard time buying in that. This is a solid authentic legitimate national championship with three of the five I. I know the history we all do we've all been there. But I think it would it would be debated which frankly that's what college football is all about debating who should be in the national championship race. That's exactly what I was GONNA save it because I was going to push back on. Paul because prior to the BCS era the Big Ten and PAC twelve didn't participate in some of the earlier bowl alliance as and we still recognize those national champions although there were certainly rather polls that you in one case we know crown. USC and we had split national champions best part of the history in the fabric of the sport. Look would it be better looked beyond debate? It would be better if everybody worked participating, there's no question about that but it's still legitimate I mean if this place and you win the championship for that year, and then it just adds another layer to a time honored tradition in this great sport about arguing about what would have happened or what could have happened or what should have happened. Okay. So my mind I have a feeling finebaum is going to agree with me my mind talk show. Host, we are living in time right now we're major league baseball is playing seven inning doubleheaders and they're putting a runner on second to start an inning because these are extraordinary times we're living in pandemic we've been talking for years about expanding the playoff. If ever you, you're going to experiment with something like that, Paul finebaum would this be the year to do it? If these three conferences play would make sense to you to try expanding it out to eight teams and just see how it goes. I'm always in favor that in but the problem is and the rest of the panel understands perhaps better than I do try trying to knock some sense into those who run the College Football playoff which by the way include two of the commissioners who are now out of it. So that would be fascinating to see how that works. But. But I agree with I mean there's This would be a better conversation later in the year when we know what's going on, but this is what we're dealt with right now I'm still somewhat suspicious of of what the next step is in college football, but but but I think. It would be slightly legitimate if I can make up a word and gift in get an in English here. It's not ideal. Right now right I mean nothing is ideal a major league baseball. We all hope we're going to get to a world series they gonNA play. That team is all gonna come running out of the dugout. They're gonNA jump up and down, and they're going to celebrate a championship and it'll be as real as everyone decides to make it David. Do you like the idea of other kinds of experimentation if there was every year to do with, this would be it. That hit the nail on the head. It's twenty twenty Bro. This is nuts everything about twenty twenty has been crazy. So I think this is why if if I'm in the power five, I'm grabbing hold of the reins and I'm getting rid of the NC double A. Like this is the year to do it. Players have more power than ever. So if you're going to have a trial run, you got games with virtual fans for God's sakes like I'm watching the NBA and you're like, wow, dude. It sounds like people there wait a minute that's really strange. So why not tinker with things this year? Why not expand the playoffs? Why not give you an opportunity because this is the year obviously, we're all gonna remember the craziness that went on and how so many things change for for the rest of you ready for that reese you can take college game day and you're going to go to a bubble somewhere and you're gonNA cover an eighteen. College. Football playoff sometime it started sometime around Christmas are you in for that? They play I'll be in for it. Greedy. No question outlook I think Paul a poem very smart point a moment ago that you look at and we don't know for sure that these other three conferences going to be able to play and I think they've been pretty wise and saying that they are just continuing to gather information and taking the next step toward it to see if it is feasible to be done safely and I think it's been approved inappropriate. of by those conferences but in in this event, one thing I've talked a lot about number of games while you're having ten games now. So if you added one more layer, one more game for for another team under these unique set of circumstances I could I could live with that. I think that would actually add actually be a lot of fun. I agree that that's the point I make there's no way they're gonNA play the usual schedule Paul's holding up his hand quick final thought Paul. Yeah I just wanted to suggest something I. Know Everyone's struggling right now but if and when things return to normal and I'm saying this to you reese, is there any chance you guys could open the twenty one season in Lincoln? Nebraska because I think it's pay per view and Desmond Actually a perfect setup for where we're going next guys. Thank you. I'll pause briefly but that's what we're talking about right after this coming up Nebraska threatening to go can they do it? Desmond is fired up about it if you haven't seen it yet, you're going coming up in a minute and his fellow Michigan Man Jalen rose going to join us with his thoughts as well. So that next get up on. ESPN. We are back on get up and let's run the basis through the action for the major leagues. And it includes Cleveland placing starters actually sack in my clever on the restricted list after they broke protocol by leaving the team hotel to go out in Chicago over the weekend, there was very strong reaction last night from pitcher Adam Pluto who started the game in place of clovinger. They they heard that. They lied to US A. Sat here and in front of you guys and publicly said things that they didn't follow through on. And it's it's going to be up to them. it. It really is and You know all let them sit here and tell you how they're going to earn their trust back I don't need to put words in their mouths you know. The term that I continue to hear an excuse my language is grown ass man right. So those grown ass men can sit here and tell you guys what happened and tell you guys. What they're GONNA do to fix it and I don't I don't need to do that for. John Words no doubt. Meanwhile, suspensions have been handed down after Sunday scuffle between the Astros as Astros hitting coach Alex Intro received a twenty game suspension while Vase outfielder Ramon Laureano got six games. Laureano is appealing the suspension, and then the hottest player in baseball is Colorado outfielder Charlie Blackmon. His torrid start continued three more hits. Last night is average is now. Five hundred through seventeen games. He's hit safely and fifteen straight Colorado surprisingly right now leading the end west at twelve and five minutes thirty, four, hundred, sixty, eight so far this season he's hitting five hundred and you can see him this afternoon rockies against the diamondbacks three eastern right here on ESPN ESPN two podcast and the ESPN APP and with that is the. Bottom of the hour ten, thirty, A. M. Eastern time I Mike Greenberg this get up on Espn we were on Bristol Connecticut this morning with you for the next half hour and then I take will come your way in its entirety I want you all to see something that happened earlier on the show today because it's an indication of the sort of passion. That people feel about this college football story yesterday as you're probably aware the big ten and PAC twelve for all intents and purposes canceled their fall football seasons and Nebraska. One of the schools in the big ten has talked openly about their disappointment with that decision and possibly trying to continue to play somewhere else our Desmond Howard had strong thoughts earlier this morning. Think they're the only team that really wants to play. Of course, not all the teams coaches WANNA play, but they're not whining and crying, and you're talking about an excess leaving the conference I i. think at this point Greenie our demand an apology from the chancellor and the President S Scott Frost and not one behind closed doors public apology or if I ever worn right now I'm working on the way to get their ass out of the big ten. Desmond Howard fired up this morning and look at this. I got maize and blue in abundance this morning the heisman trophy winner in the fan five superstar my main man Jalen rose. This is Jalen what you think of that. While DESMA say which chess I'm not mad at my brother at all big shot Tommie frazier though Tommie. Frazier's one of my favorite football players of all time he went to Nebraska but I agree with Dez, and here's the thing Greenie as you become an adult you realize that there are certain things that are normal responsibilities right now, that is socially distancing in wearing a mask. Do you realize that there are people walking the face of the earth that are arguing about whether they should wear a mask or not? Right now, my youngest daughter Gracie big show is starting ninth grade remote learning at home. There are people protested in Georgia that they should be in school is this is the same conversation we're having about Nebraska. The season is not canceled its postpone, and if it does not happen is for the health safety of the students in the athletes and the coaches and everyone involved it is so very simple. So I agree with this one hundred and ten percent. Desmond that's similar to what you said this morning Joey. Galloway, and a few others we're hearing these voices of frustration if you follow twitter and maybe twitter is a terrible way to gauge. General on things I granted that but you see so many people people whose opinions I value who are outraged by these decisions yesterday by the big ten in the pack twelve or suggesting this is a lack of leadership and other things like that Desmond? What is the response to those people? Well I like to piggyback on what my man Jalen just said because I tell people all the time when they ask are we gonNa have a college football season. I listen when you when you get on social media, you watch the news and you see protests about not wearing a mask and you see people acting the fool out Walmart, Costco, all these other places where they're starting fights because they they they do not want to. Wear a mask if someone wants them to wear masks and they don't want to practice social distancing I said, those people are actively sabotaging our chances of having a college football season because once those numbers keep spiking and we're we're still breaking records then you put the commissioners and the president's in the position that they can't have a college football season and that's what we're dealing with right now now as far as the Brask the situation. You know listen the big ten has been around since the late eighteen hundreds Nebraska just joined in twenty eleven. Scott Frost twenty eighteen for them to sit there and act like they're they're bigger than the rest of the schools an to express such those. Okay. Express disappointment within the take another level to saying that you want to exit the conference because you WanNa play some games after you've you've been at greatly financially from being part of one of the richest conferences in all of college football I may just saw shows a level of disloyalty that does doesn't agree with me Greenie and Jalen? and. The other part jailers you you know Jim Dave Delaney. The former big ten commissioner Jim Delany was sitting SC after Scott Frost made that comment a couple of days ago. Someone would have gone their phone and call the chance of the president the AD. Whoever's Scott Frost boss is and made sure that they never came out and publicly said those statements again and would have had them to apologize. So is a great level of disrespect this coming out of Nebraska. Now, only Kevin warned in the big ten, the big commission, but the big ten conference as a whole about that Jalen. Trust me Greenie I know because the five was ostracized from that conference for like twenty to twenty five years. So I know they a grudge please believe me and I'm glad we're overall adults. Hurdles absolutely would that be greedy? What happens is it's an election year. So so so many times people try to politicize things. We saw with Colin people made him take an in the about the flag now's the same thing about mask you can't say that you. Want these student athletes to be healthy. But at the same time you're putting them at risk that this doesn't work, and then lastly playing so much football in the same calendar year. So there are a lot of these Brazil need to be ironed out but I go with caution and I applaud the Big Tier I applaud the PAC tin as well. PAC twelve whatever they call how `bout getting this money. They're the big, Tam they got fourteen teams for. Perfect example of what I'm talking about. But again, I liked them being on the side of caution and safety and it does lead one to wonder if you are Kevin Warren and we had dinner on earlier who said he took the high road and that seems to be I don't know him well but that seems to be at least publicly his his his persona that seems to be the way he manages handles things, but one does wonder if you. Were to get really angry in that position Desmond what would the possible things he could do be like I'm thinking of the reprimand of always thought the reprimanded is a fascinating means of punishing someone because it doesn't actually do anything, but it does go publicly on your record is anything further they can do I mean if if Nebraska went out and actually tried to schedule Games, let's even live in a world where they went out and played somebody else. What, what would the big ten do? What should the big ten do? Were I I would I would demand that they send me a check for about fifty million dollars since they've been benefiting from their revenue sharing that they all split and that would be the first off of business. Could us a check and then we'll try to see where we can ship you out of the conference and then if they stay in. The coppers though Greenie when it comes to scheduling, I would make sure that they're scheduled. Uh maybe the first two three four years would be on the road against someone to powerhouses because you can't control the schedules of the teams in your conference and so people may start looking in the BRESCA schedules down the road like man like how how were they? Playing on the to Tuscaloosa and how how we played on the Road and Clinton so Scheduling is also another way that you can reprimand a team. Now, they may have to set up permanent headquarters in. Columbus Ohio go ahead Jalen. And also, Greenie. I saw the players in their Hashtag that became the headline we want to play. Yeah. I. Want Ta players to know something to find printer that is they had some demands is will and I wanNA occurs them to continue to fight for those demands continue to hold the NCAA countable. You have now realised that you're only the Labor, but you're the power source take advantage of that used a list of demands and continued to hold those schools in those conferences accountable Jalen can I ask you one last question here? This morning I think this is important and I don't know that there's anyone better than you to deliver this message because. Above and beyond all other things, there was a large collection of young men who have worked their entire lives for this football season who are now not GonNa get to play it and let's put everything else aside that in and of itself is obviously a devastating blow to them in a very sad situation. What is your message to them? What what would you like as legendary collegiate athlete yourself? What would you like them to know today? Well, always talk about the eight most important years of a young person's life to me Greenie are the air highschool and afford it. They should be in college you ask any adult where their dreams go awry a lot of times it's during that eight year period of fourteen to twenty two. So for me, it's what happens now that you don't have football. Okay. Because that takes up the lion's share of your schedule. It becomes your heartbeat in so many ways. So for those young athletes, I would like to encourage them to use that same time and invest in yourself. Create another hobby something that you're passionate about giving back to your community take more classes do certain things that continue to make yourself a lot better than just the timing entity that you spend to be a football player if football is going to go away for a period of time for well said, real quick. How about you? Ah to piggyback on what Jalen Use your time wisely don't invest in just your physical health investing your mental health to re books he said, pick up a hobby check out something on Youtube and find out how to do different things. Things that may interest you that you never had the time to do before but invest in your Mental Hill just as much as you do your physical health. That's Great I. think that's important I'm really glad we had a chance to deliver that both thank you very much jalen Rose Desmond Howard jam-packed this morning as we continue in a moment on. Normal impact that the PAC twelve and big ten's decisions. We'll have on the NFL draft. We'll cover that in just a moment you're watching get up on ESPN. Get up is brought to you by corona extra find your beach. Tomorrow, night on ESPN two, WNBA doubleheader starts with candace Parker in. The sparks facing mystics at seven eastern. Then the League's leading scorers. Asia. Wilson G leads the Red Hot ace's against the links both games tomorrow night on ESPN two and the ESPN. APP? And official with our top story the Big Ten and PAC twelve became the first to power five conferences to postpone sports yesterday the big ten decision impacts, football soccer, cross country volleyball, and field hockey. The PAC twelve decision applies to all sports through the end of two, thousand twenty, which would include football and basketball. So heather ditches with with us all morning long heather quickly as we sort of spin this ahead, we know about the big ten in the pack twelve. What do we know about the other three power five conferences? Today. The ACC's board of directors is meeting their presidents and chancellors and I don't expect any major announcements to come out of that but we don't know what to expect out of the president's these days do but they are going to review some of the same medical information that the PAC twelve us to make their decision as well as here from their own medical advisory board, and then the SEC presidents are supposed to meet on. Thursday. So it's a very busy and important week for all of that and how about the NC double A. quickly what is their meeting today? They will be looking about eligibility. I'm told from source who is part of that meeting that they will be considering a sixth season of eligibility for all athletes and that's something that will be voted on next week by the board, and that's something that you will obviously be all over all day long and we'll continue to follow that with you here on ESPN TV all day and. On twitter and everywhere else and so with that, we will finish up for this morning. Thank you everybody for getting up with us today. It's an extraordinary day. This is one of the most consequential things that we've seen happening sports in a very long time. We'll continue to cover it for you obviously moving forward. We'll see back here same place same time tomorrow I take starts now.

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Just you know that was when the NBA was the NBA. They're showing all these teams winners. And this and that and you know we take it up a little bit. I still have papers to throw around over here guys at work. But you know teams and you know there's only eight teams in the NBA. That have won three or more championships thinking about that. Wow that's not that many. So can you guys name the eighteen that have won three or more NBA Championships? Go ahead. Travis will start no la. We'll start with us if you say you never go first. Go ahead dropped. I don't know maybe just doesn't want to go first so you see at eighteen with three more. Nba Championships. Yes emoryville dropped comics so we will be thirteen okay. He's dropped. So that means keyshawn. You start at all since you out there that I'll just throw. It Lakers Lakers. That's correct. They are second on this list but they have won quite a few championships or second to a certain they. They said it's GONNA confusing so yeah go ahead. I'll take the celtics the Celtics have won the most NBA championships. That's right with seventeen. So you understand the question right Elsie. I'm sorry did you request questions understand the question. And the Senate Tonio Spurs the Spurs are on that list. That's correct you do understand that. It's not a snake draft so you're not going to go twice here so that means we're going to go back to you. Keyshawn Chicago Bulls the Chicago Bulls six. Put them third. Nothing weird like you go from seventeen with a Celtic six to the Lakers and then Bam you drop all the way to six to the Bullshit. The dominance of those two teams liquors bulls. But WHO'S NEXT TRAVIS? I will take the Miami. That's a sneaky. One that sneaky with the tube of the Browser sometimes forget about the weight so they have three cats right. We're looking for teams with three or more NBA Championships to their credit According to my records got three martines on so we do go here the Detroit Pistons. Tie with my three all. Your math is very just carry one near. That's where I got to just trying to hear before you even finish the Golden State Warriors the warriors correct. Oh you guys are typing going on. We got cheaters. Going on over there. That would be travis. No I do things but I don't cheat I deal. It's my turn right. It is your turn the near as one team left. It's one of view actually might be doing this. This is not you. Don't even notice there. I'm sure that your final answer. Well now I WANNA say no no doubt billions on the list in. I think there's one of the team. I don't remember if you guys sit this or not but Go ahead see. I don't know how did it or not. There is one team left. I don't know it's like you like you like the lady. You like the lady at the grocery store the day she. I pulled my basket through the checkout line. She had a basket when they were packing. My Look Pratima groceries. I asked if the basket was clean. She said Oh I think it is well pretty good guy said the warriors yes I took. It didn't guess I think this is only the second time in morning. Show history that you guys have made it all the way through the mall so give yourself some nice job. I Know Buffalo Braves. One might be sneaky. Because I knew they want to in the in the early seventies but I don't know if they'd gotten third with the Knicks. The Knicks got a couple in the seventies. And I don't know if they had went back now I know they haven't once but I didn't know if they got seventy seventy three and they never got another. Which is why I cannot understand. Why the Hell we keep talking about the Knicks one of the great franchises in the NBA. And they have one. So you're baby is a New York. Miles appearances. Eight is good jobs just New York. It's the Knicks is MSG extension of L. A. L. as an extension of New York. It's just it's all the immediate. It's not crackle the Madison Square. What's your favorite venue Madison Square Garden? Where you like to perform at Madison Square Garden. I mean that's just walking down walking down holding onto the rails the handrails as you get to the bottom floor where the scene is all messed up. I mean it's just it's MSG that's what it is. You know how you say you weren't born then you were not born when you ask them. They want a championship. Also understand the magnitude of why we always throw them out there even though they were the same thing Dallas. Kyle you always talking about him because it's always indoctrinated in our brains for many years that s America's team and so we talk about the cowboys were were good. The cowboys won the Knicks. Good when our grandmothers were born to run the cowboys throughout the entire Seventies. Were good through most of the eighties. Were good through the ninety S. They were the best team in football. They thirty years of being really good. Put the Knicks. Were good toodle. And it's new and it other than a few. Patrick Ewing runs in that thing the Knicks at best mediocre and oftentimes talking about. I'm not talking about since we've been born. I'm just talking about just historically is it's like the giants the New York giants. I mean they were good with Lt and they were good with like Frank Gifford and they were good prior when they played polo grounds. Or whatever that is they probably was good back hand but the New York giants are going to always resonate because it's New York is giants. They've won enough super bowls in his New York. It's so new. York is always going to be push things up. You know that he pushed its New York. What are you I mean what it is you like it or love it depending on what you feel about it but I tell you what this young lady at the grocery store though. That was some funny. I'M GONNA go pick a different one or gary buy groceries in my arms but think about it though ills. You know once you pulling your own you take food out you put it on a conveyor belt you push your basket to the front by the time. I push my basket if she was loading in another basket so I had to ask her. She gives me think so. Don't you should know you bring this basket that I didn't ask for but anyway listen there's A. There's a lot going on in that area and that's all I'm going to say about that. I carry about spray with you. Put it this way. All Right. So the last dance episodes. What would it be? Five and six are coming up on. Sunday can see an at six o'clock on Sunday night you can stream one through four on the ESPN APP ESPN on demand. Right now the the Dennis Rodman Takeaway was port. One of this most recent weekend and the other far away was the rivalry and the just the downright hatred. That Michael Jordan has for Isaiah Thomas. Let's go back. Let's start with Michael in here. Michael Talk About Isaiah. Twenty plus years later after the fact he says now when his two actions then he's time enough to think about it or the reaction of the public this kind of changed his perspective. You can show me anything you want is no way you can convince me. He wouldn't have that still incredibly raw after twenty plus years. Isaiah listen to him right now. Here's Isaiah talking about the decision not to shake hands and I think Jordan said something. That was interesting in their take he said given time you know he's he's you know he may have a different opinion and of course in that moment when when we lost remember we were champion so we were coming down from the throne. They were assented. And everybody's emotions are different doing that particular ties while we were coming down and they were rising doing that emotional period of time that we do everything correctly no if they do everything correctly no but that was it in we. We walked off. We didn't shake their hands. And if you WANNA contextualized there's a lot of other stuff that was going on around the situation but that's what happened. Okay so Michael is I. Don't care what that guy has to say you've got Isaiah. Thomas said look a long time ago of course I feel differently about it. And then lastly we've got bill empire who just didn't give a damn then and doesn't give a damn now they'd lined and cried for a year and a half about how bad we were for the game but more importantly they were bad. People weren't bad people were basketball players winning so all of that whining. They did shake their hand. They were just they won. They won the series credit. We got old. They got past us. But okay move on. Why would I regret now today? I don't care what the media says about my never did if I did. I'd be a basket case especially back. Then you know. I guess it's about winning. Basketball Games and winning championships did forever. I had to do you get the most out of my ability and our team and we did the other day. We're called real champions beer twenty plus years later. It's like yeah whatever I did it. I don't care if Michael's upset I can live with that. It seems like a much healthier way to go about this. Yeah that's that's fine. I mean the way he feels. Isaiah feels the way he feel Michael Fields where he feel. Michael doesn't have to be in. They don't have to shake his hand is circum- to him or Phila- certain type of way because he feels asserted boy and that's perfectly okay. There's nothing wrong with would bill lamb. Beer said it's like okay. Get over it it's over with. I don't I'm not wasting my time thinking about the Chicago Bulls in. That's perfectly okay for bill. Clearly Isaiah Thomas is still feeling a certain way about the way. Michael handled the situation. And how Michael Dell waited promote from whatever whether it was You know freezing him out at the all-star Olympics making sure that he wasn't in and others were or whether it was Whatever you WANNA call it whatever you WANNA call it. Michael feels a certain way. And he's entitled to that and Vice Versa for those other guys if you think about it bill and beer has been blackballed out of the NBA has had an opportunity to be neither assistant. North head coach. He's had a lot of success and the WNBA but he's in his place in his in his life where it doesn't have any benefit for him to even reconsider. What happened thirty seven years ago? Isaiah Thomas obviously is in a different place. He's held a multitude of different positions throughout the League he's on NBA TV today. So it's more important for him. Especially since Jordan. Called him personally so it was more important for him and what he wants to do to make sure that as much context and the dynamic is out there as possible will build and Beers exalted effect. That he's not going to be back in the league and that he's not dude as someone that people wanna hear from a take direction from despite being a great player at his crime in his prime so you think you think he's black off in the NBA. Why hasn't Bill Beer Garden Assistant or head? Coaching job. Well maybe because people who are doing a higher and phillies coach or something. I'm just asking. I mean a lot to go. Because he's university he's University viewed as a bad guy and ask you know as Michael Jordan said the same thing that he said about Isaiah Thomas. That's a lot of people feel about building very quickly. Because he was a rough player. Or He's a bad guy because he's a bad guy. I don't know bill like that so I can't tell you a bad guy or not but what I do know is that the perception of him is that he wasn't just given hard fouls he were giving POWs because he was also a bad guy is the perception that go against them. Wnba in the NBA is aligned right. I mean they're they're together so if he's coaching in the NBA. I mean the WNBA. Why couldn't you get a job if they felt he was worthy of it in the NBA? Question for me I guess I mean think about it think about all the guys that played in the NBA that have gone on to do some sort of coaching in the WNBA. They still get a sniff of the NBA. They still get us neck beer as far as I know has never gotten a sniff from the NBA. Usc had two players taken in the NFL draft on the first round two players total. What's going on at SC? That's next on the morning show on seven to ten. Espn that conquest right. They're usually made me feel a certain way. And now just makes me shake my head. How in the world does a program like? Usc have two guys drafted in the entire seven rounds of the NFL draft two guys. You have first. Rounder Austin Jackson. Yeah second round and Michael Keaton but beyond that. Us's put five eight ten guys a year into the NFL to. Yeah it's IT'S A. It's a tough tall task to understand why this has happened to the program But I but I go back to coaching and not only coaching developing. And I can only go back to what I know is John came to the NFL. I mean went to the. Nfl came back to USC in one of the first things that he said to me in the whole recruiting processes that. I'm GonNa get you. You'RE GONNA be alright and you're going to be the number one pick in the draft as a receiver. Something that he had never done with a wide receiver. It was always Running backs of that nature that touched the football but he developed me and he allowed Mike Riley to develop me Mike Sanford and Delvonn Alexander to develop me in. Teach me how to play the game from a pro standpoint where you look at you guys. Now they're not developing. The guys can't play football. They know how to play. But they're not development to the level in which teams feel like. Okay these guys can help us play all those guys that are on those teams. They're they're they're recruited by everybody in the country but once they get the undeveloped. Is this as much assistance fault as it is clear that he's the reason you say the reason you say. Klay Hilton is because clay homes in charge right but it's the assist. Is that Clay Hill. Hired did develop the players. I know key that you put this on on climate and then I get what you're saying but to me seems like an administrative issue at least equally because Klay Hilton is where the Ministry of though on Chris Travis the administrators have nothing to with being coached on the field and coach classroom. Nothing to do with it. No I understand that. I'm not saying that Mike Bone should come out of his office until the guy had to get into a three point stance. That's not what that was funny. What I'm suggesting is Mike Bone and then his previous his predecessor. The guy that was there before him they know. Hey we're not winning a whole bunch of games. Why are we not winning? Hey we're recruiting the same guys. Alabama's recruited yet Alabama's put a bunch of guys in the NFL. And were not hate these this. This guy here was a five star guy and he didn't get pick where that guy over there was a five star guy and he was taken to the first round. I don't even know how to teach a guy how to run a route to to be able to add and subtract but my bowl. Mike Bone just got there too now. And when you look at Mike bones other stops what I mean. Colorado what San Diego State? I think it was Cincinnati and may have had a couple other stops along the way we're programs if he turned around you know or or been a part of that historical to the point where. Us's being no. I get that but key at the same time. Mike Bone lives in the world of college. Athletics you know the. Us footfall key lives in the world of college football in sports because he's an athletic director. He may be so oblivious to what's going on you wouldn't even know you're telling me that there's a possibility that the guy. That's the athletic director. Usc does not even have a cursory understanding of the tradition that goes along with the US's football program really hard to believe. He kept a coach. And everybody wanted out you tell me. He walked in. He kept a coach. Everybody wanted out not only that. How many of the Great Trojan players have he reached out to since he's been the athletic director? I really would want to know that I really want to know the different carson. Those really not because because anybody in the right mind just taking over a program knows who to talk to. You automatically know to talk to I. I could give you a perfect example. No hold on one second perfect example. Okay I ran a seven on seven football program in La for a number of years. Willie Taggart took the job at the University of Oregon and nothing to do with La sc nothing but he wanted to recruit La Willie taggart reached. Ow He reached out is Matt. How can I get some of these dudes up here to Oregon? He reached out because he wants to be connected to the right people to help him do what he needs to do. Well when you got an athletic director who comes to town who doesn't reach out to a number of people that played at sea at a high level and you kind of stay away and we'll talk to him and leaving him alone. That's not the way you do that tells me you're not connected the way you need to be about the tradition of SC and the program. I agree with that but I don't think that necessarily means he doesn't understand football or that he doesn't understand culture he may not necessarily be doing it. The smartest of ways but I'm not going to dismiss his entire career because I don't know what his brand of leadership is some people choose to lead. Maybe different the way this other people chooses to leave. We sit in all kinds of variety ways of life. I'm not really yet to say he doesn't understand collegiate football because he's not reaching out to alums the way that he should be or the way that I would if I were in his position. I'm just I just can't fathom a guy at Alabama who's the athletic director moving need. I can't I can't I can't look this state in her networks in Ray Anderson and Scott Graham as ignoring that things that are important. That's just the way to go back to what you said about Alabama for second Keat Alabama would never ever hire an athletic director. The didn't understand what Alabama. Football is but this is my point the whole idea of where the program is. It's Clayton obviously has a great deal of responsibility for what this is but so does the athletic director and so the people that hired the athletic director you. If you were telling me ten years ago make a list of the schools that care the most about their college football program. Sc would absolutely positively been on that list and near the top and right now with all the things. We're time whether it's clay Helton whether it's the assistance where the administrator whether it's the board at USC that hires all of these people they've they've needed this clearest a we don't care about this the way that we used to because we hired an athletic director that doesn't get it who led the code. Stay who doesn't get it. Who's who recruiting the players aren't going to the NFL. There's nobody there that says we are USC. For God's sakes what are we doing here? Where's that person? Well they don't you know they don't communicate with those people. Let's just say that this list that they got the old way of doing things until they start to listen to stop being. Hardheaded you go. Steve keeps seeing guys that. Are you know two guys one guy here? A couple of free agents there. You're not gonna see that dominance like a Lsu that got fourteen fifteen guys drafted or to Alabama or the Oklahoma's you know until you start to started. Listen that's what's GonNa happen or as a mile as as my mom used to WanNa tell me and I'm sure your mom told you that are there you go. Yeah you or you know. I haven't heard either one of those there right. That's GonNa Sleep and I'm very very disappointed in my brother at this. D- Bob on this one. We'll see we'll see the board to GEICO. Has the insurance industry leading up and let you manager policy anytime anywhere? Which means that. Geico is always there for you. If only everyone was always there for you like animal control when you're cornered in your garage by an angry possum me again. You said you would be here about an hour ago and think the positive is starting to get angry fire. Listen I thought if I said it would go away. But now it is ripping holes in the drywall and making some SORTA nest. Just coming back. Geico always there for you with savings and the industry leading mobile APP the NFL schedule is typically going to be released right around that first week of May and it is still expected to be released at that point but according to a story in the New York Post the schedule makers are in the process of coming up with some alternate versions including one that has the Super Bowl moving back to February twenty eighth. The season starting may be about a month later than it typically does know by weeks no pro bowls and I think this is just going to be standard operating procedure for all of these leagues. At least in the short term that the schedule that we've known for years and years and years is kind of out the window. Wow that weather and Tampa February going to be perfect. Nice right. There's going to be perfect. You can go right from the NFC championship AFC championship game. Roll right into the Super Bowl. I'm all for it. If that's what happens I don't like the the the weekend between and I think if you had to push it off a month or so from the start of the season that makes sense. It gives everybody an opportunity to get on even ground. It gives them an opportunity to maybe have some sort of mini camps before training camp some sort of Ota's before actual training camp. So I don't think it gets into the way of anything that the television people have to go to work and figure out how to schedule everything. Because you're gonNA essentially cram in eight nine months of sports into four five months. And that's what's going to happen basketball BASEBALL FOOTBALL HOCKEY ALL POTENTIALLY COMING BACK. Sorta Kinda at the same time which is going to be great. That means that you won't have to worry about being. You know feeling a certain way. You know how you go through that period where you get all basketball suzy. Nba season is over. You're like man I got the summer and we ain't doing nothing just baseball baseball and it's like well you only WanNa Watch certain baseball games. And that's pretty much it and then you get into football season where now it looks. Sounds like everything is going to be every single day. Point to have something on your television as long as super bowls to happens during black history month on good call. I'm just man. Get a little bit closer to the end but as long as you still within the parameters of February. I'm good in today's black quarterback. GotTa be into to World's TAP cash back so we're fine. We're finding that regard. I feel he's GonNa be therapy season for the future that I've not seen this soft spots on that team right now I don't. I don't mean a black quarterback. I just need to make sure that the NBA has a black history. Programming happened right around the time of the Super Bowl. I always like those. That have been yes they would do. Go back. Certain citizen GONNA go. It really is going to be nuts that lets us obvious. Picking Data Thin Air. Let's say everything comes back online July fourth. Okay you're going to have baseball with a compacted schedule you're going to have. Nfl training camps. That are going to be just about up and running. You're going to have the conclusion of an NBA season. You're going to have the Stanley Cup playoffs. You're going to have all of the Gulf events that have been postponed going on. You're going to try to shoehorn tennis. Us Open you're going to have all of these different things coming up. The master's is going to be played in November. You've got just like you. Were saying a short amount of time. It's not just that. Oh the dodgers are playing the rockies this night there's going to be the masters on the same weekend that there's something else major going onto everything all at once. We look forward to the calendar of the sport. You're being okay. There's this major event and we got this major event. There's going to be one every weekend for the foreseeable future. Once we come back online with without fans think it's GonNa be good regardless put. I certainly would like to have fans in attendance because that means that workers will be working people be making money. They'll be able to afford to pay their rents in in corn oats and mortgages or whatever the case may be insurances or whatnot. Economy will start to kind of maybe get back into some sort of good shape. That's kind of what you WANNA see. you WanNa you wanna see those sorts of things now again as I said before. Maybe there's without fans for short period time maybe all of a sudden there's fans that are an unlimited pace. I I saw so funny. Have you also say the I saw but I saw? I think it was the Japanese league. They had corboy cutouts. That were interesting also had chicken. That was at the game. It was the funniest thing ever it was it was hilarious does just see. I'm like why do they have core? Worked stance weird to see the stadium? That's why cheer cheerleader cheering to work. Cut Out to cardboard cutouts where but you know everything about twenty twenty from January. Orange has been weird so I'm like just go for it. Let's just go have a year of business and a lot of things that aren't going to be right. It's going to be right. They're thinking about having the US Open in tennis which is played in New York and California just to get open in because you can still hosted event in Indian Wells that's GonNa feel are weird but something l Z. Why would they have it in California posed to New York in July or August? I think a couple of things at play one. We know the numbers and New York City to we also know that the transportation situation in New York is very very. Shall we say social distancing resistant? So so we were. You know the train the subway is there and essentially they still feel like it's going to be under heavy duress that they can't take that chance and because palm springs is out in the open a little bit. They can manage that a little bit more. That's one of the conversations they're having it's so so so everything. Thirty thirty teams anywhere. That's my point but you know what for for a while and then we'll get back to either normal or whatever the new version of that might be but I'm here for it. You know what I mean. If you WanNa give me everything that we missed over the last you know I guess it's been a month and change right now by time we're back online. Say IT'LL BE A couple of months plus if you WanNa take all that stuff just jam it in the back. Half of the calendar Great. Let's do it and I don't care I want. I want to see the. Us Open. I want to see the masters or want to see all of these things that we didn't get to see on schedule office schedule. I don't care if it's in different parts of the calendar just do it to get it to the days for arbitrary anyway but they said we used to were fairly said anyway. They're very well bookworm. This that are set up based upon something. That isn't just random. Yes there is some absolutely. There's some arbitrary nature but a lot it with some of these sports is weather to it. We got certain things at certain times and certain places because of weather. And Oh here's the other thing too new bent Deke TV right that we need certain things on it at certain points because hey I have an opportunity to grab as many viewers as I can here because I'm the only show in town or on one of only two shows in town whereas everybody is going to be competing for those same eyeballs. Come back half of this twenty twenty year. Well not really. Because they're going to schedule. It is such a so many different platforms. They can put sport venues on. I'm sure within these television contracts they can move from. Espn ESPN TWO ABC two to eighty spn. Three the social media. I mean I'm sure there's ways within the contracts that says as long as we put it on we can put it on any of our for sure. No I'm not talking about an opportunity for where to put it what I'm talking about this this situation. Let's say the master's and right now scheduled to be played in November and we all know that the masters is played on the weekend right that you have. The final round of the masters in Tiger Woods is competing for another title at the very same time you have a high level. Nfl game going on on the very same Sunday. Those things typically do not overlap. You do not have the masters competing with the NFL. They'll be channels to put all this stuff on. It's just a matter of us like what if what if the masters do maybe masters decided to do it on the weekday or maybe the NFL decide to. We're going to do games or instead of Sunday. We'll do them on Friday nights or something because there's not going to be high school football. I don't know we thought it was going to be a lot of moving pieces. There's no question about that. I don't care when they play. Play play just played just quite common. It is absolutely come sooner than later. It looks like to indeed. It is time for Cross George Saddam Chick. George how are things today for you? Things are good gentlemen. How are you doing great thank you? It's great to hear from you again. I don't know if you're GONNA be there but I'm glad you're there today is here. He's here today. What you know I was going to say that is very true. You don't know what I'm going to be here. I like it that way. I kind of like. It's just like an extra surprise. I always love talking to Travis and Zeba. When you're it makes me perks me up a little bit. Put it this way. I count the minutes. We know we're well aware surprise that were four episodes into the last dance and we haven't heard from Toni. Kukoc jet I. You're not the first person to bring that up. My understanding is that we will start to see him when they start doing the Dream Team stuff and again that we'll start to see him when they do. The Dream Team's okay. I just wanted to clarify that. Yeah key too much. I'm not you and your little buddy over the air. Is Tony Coaches Tony? Cook no get into this you at least right. You need the individual whatever. Toni Kukoc coach. Don Pippin talion by the way he's Yugoslavian the point as every other guy. That's been a part of this bulls dynasty has shown up even guys that had fairly small roles guys like Bill Wennington and guys like we'll do a Jug Bush or who had not made players in this we've seen little snippets of them through the first four and not for Cuco but we didn't see. We didn't see Horace Grant until this past weekend so we didn't see him in the first weekend and he won three championships. I think that I think they're just developing story. Yeah Yeah Developing the story. We'll see Kobe this weekend. Because that'll be nice. Yeah I mean it's in the commercials like is it it you know. I think it's his fur Kobe's first all star game against Jordan. Yeah I want to say was that. I wonder if they had a chance to interview. 'cause they obviously interview so many people had a chance to interview. Kobe prior to they did it was a week before. Actually the passing I. That's how is related to me okay. Well that's good. Yeah but it so I was gonna say the last two episodes pretty. The worm is my favorite time. There were there were George. Gosh man that do you. Did you ever hang with him key? I you know I never hung are Kinda always when I whenever I see him. We speak yeah in having long conversations because he could get a little long winded in 'cause most of the time I think he's you know he's still in good. Yeah and so it goes into you. Know you gotta be yourself and let people me tell you what to be. You know. Just one of those type conversations. Yeah at the same time. I'm looking at here. I'm like yeah I'm GonNa take you if I shoot life advice from the war. Are You surprised George? That were Gosh. What are we re twenty four years past the Eastern Conference finals? That we've been talking about the last couple days that that both Michael Zia's still have such strong feelings about that and the refusal to shake hands. Oh no no. I'm not surprised. I was sure I'm sure he isn't surprised. Either I mean first of all. You're talking about two of the most competitive stubborn dude. You'll ever come across. They can be very warm and fuzzy when they want to be but more times than not their killers for a reason and we forget that Isaiah Thomas is the only guy really to be Jordan. Bird and magic in their prime. I don't feel like he gets enough. Do Look I'm not the biggest Pistons Guy or Isaiah Thomas Guy even but he deserves a lot of credit and by the way I do think that Jordan has dragged this handshake big out. Maybe a little too long okay. Like like we get it. You weren't happy about it. Lebron did that with Dwight and we made big deal about it for five minutes and like this feels like it's been twenty thirty years. I don't think is just a handshake well. They didn't like each other. Yeah they they they try to kill them little and so as an athlete when someone is trying to ruin you in your career. You don't take light of that and just dismiss it because you don't play the game anymore. I'm going to always remember that. Do like like like the Gunther Cunningham defensive coordinator. At the time for the Kansas City chiefs he daunted my head. He wanted my head. He put a bounty out on my. I'll never ever respect him ever when I see him. Oh if he's even still alive. I don't even know if he's still visit. He like a defensive coordinator somewhere right. Now why did you go? Why did he want? Why did he put a price on your head? Because he just didn't like me. I was coming into the League to Brash. Oh throw it all. Yeah exactly so. He felt that that's what he was going to send a little message to meet. Cunningham died last year in May know really resumes. Peace with steel. I want peace but still are you are you are you gonNA. Are you gonNa make amends with him? Now that he's gone. He's worth condoling three K. Of Flowers or something you know what I'm saying. He can't harbor. Ill will demands gone. You might as well let it bygones be bygones this. I don't even think about it like that but yeah I understand what you're saying but if I was ever play against him being. Yeah it's like it's like that'll Jeff Ireland gentle assistant general manager from the New Orleans Saints. One of my favorite It has Ryan stuff. Yeah I don't I don't I don't like him because he's you some about me. Oh He's you. He says something about me. I didn't think it was going to get back to me. So why never ever speak to him when I see him? What did he say that I was GONNA say? Give it a progress stopper as a player as a people as a player taught me a progress when you when he was in Dallas and you were in Dallas he called. I don't know why we signed a opera. That guy's GonNa ever play in front of him and they're just gonNA keep playing okay. How did that work for you? Miami a progress Stopper Free. Sodano show is coming up next. We'll see it here so shocked show.

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#WeAreUnited 's Andrew Cooper

"Guys WanNa, tell you about something new I've launched a patriotic count patriot dot com slash. Andrew Bramsen people asked about getting more content. More insight more information from me, and now available through various tiers if you're able to join on Patriots Dot Com. You can get shout outs from me. You can get the business of sports podcast transcripts can get ask Andrew questions, weekly newsletters, all kinds of ways to interact with me including. A monthly conversations not whatever you WanNa talk about jobs in the sports industry breaking into sports. It's all available now on patron dot Com Andrew Brandt. If you're able, please join select your care and be able to have further content interruption with me Adrian Dot com slash Andrew Brandt will be joined. This week on the. podcast I really wanted to dive into what's going gone in college athletics. There's so many angles go through here and ask you record this on Monday afternoon the tenth we're not sure exactly what's going to be happy. With a college or to college football with the big ten yes. No, we don't know if they're gonNA play. Their couple movements going on I. Really wanted to sort of see in the movement and talk to them. In one of the movement's is we are united. There's also we want to clay. I WanNa hear about it. And in my reading I saw, Andrew Cooper mentioned homer runner cal, a current runner cal or athlete from university Washington. State University. And then loan behold Bandara who saw a follow on twitter and I reached out so ramone Andrew to another welcome to the podcast entered Cooper. Thank you so much for having me Andrew, phenomenal name I, saw appreciate you taking the time and energy to find me on twitter in reaching out I'm excited to have this conversation. Let's start at the beginning. The one thing I saw about you what is your one of the leaders in this PAC twelve moon? But I did see an article that said you don't WanNA call leaders. He really just talking about organization getting athletes. Involved how when is your how you got involved with the movement is? Goal. Side. Yes. So I got involved with movement till I I when I got connected with balancing Deltona was offensive Lineman at cal and his permit. Jake Kerr Him who is also also could friendly with the time. They reach out expressing concerns regarding returned to campus ovid protocols, how that was being handled, and they wanted to put out centralism defense to prove the health and safety standards. And they wanted to that out. Three or four days at the. Rally July fifth or six. And then. Like that day, we started to see a tidal wave of the players tweeted. that. They deserved better. Essentially, and it was unique to me to see players using your voice not fashion. His you know one of the issues in college sports is that players don't feel they have a voice. and so two Steve Football players using their voice go to twitter speak out for what they believed was right. We considered expanded scope of our goals to clued up addressing racial injustice and economic rights and technical sports. So those are the goals of the Movement for united. And really the reason why I've been associate myself so different because this has been football player lead driven from the beginning I have been providing counselling guidance row. Formerly de Sack co-president sack is sort of the official voice of Athletes and so in that role, I have a horrible past of serving. It's representing. President Washington State, the co-president Your cal Berkeley That's really how it started with Jake Balan. Unity's everything yrant. So putting the players of the forefronts, really important to us and also adamant any individual leader there is no individual leader. That's Really, what it is, the goal is to start open. To get players unified behind a simple concept that unity is everything. And you're an athlete at Washington State about your tracking cross country runner. Graduated there Washington State two, thousand and nineteen, and then transferred to cow you continue to run they're pursuing a masters degree. You just mentioned you're involved in Washington State, and now audit cal. So this has been sort of a mission view and you see progress since your time Wazoo. Absolutely. So read my personal story, my pressure washing state right at the beginning. My Dad had a heart attack. And it really made me grapple with this question. Why am I invested so much until running? Why is this whole passion will focus? And? Over the course of the next year began to discover purpose myself that was greater in a lot of to. Helping athletes and advocacy on Emma Tyler Alinsky died by suicide Camp Smith saw. How affected? Our family or community I felt called to action. Use My privilege as someone who gone through that grief to really stand up and help others and so as an advocate, I've been trying to help athletes broadly. In any Paseo last four years really. Sorry one thing I think you said, it really struck me, and this is for lexicon out there about through athletes is that worth through? You want to change that tells about. So the term student athlete. Was Really. Invented by Walter Byers the Executive Director NC Double A. in the fifty s before color sports was as popular. Widely seen on television dissidents today. The term was invented after about I don't feel his widow sued se AA. And for Workers Compensation and really an effort. In that or case ages came up with the term student athlete in what's buyers has written about that in his memoir since then won't he said, we drafted the term student athlete to avoid in workers not fish. And the impact of that decision. Is really cemented a pseudo legal mechanisms, divest college athletes of Basic Economic Rights that are afforded to all Americans. Tell me Andrew where you guys were the we are United Movement. In. Calling Movement. What are you looking to get? What are you looking to accomplish movement? So, Burston? Foremost. To establish that college. Have the. Capacity. And the power to. So To simply have conversations with each other to have. These conversations with other football players with other athletes to hear each other's stories. Unit that's how we achieve unity unity is everything. More immediately. A safe working environment and so. You know. We want to mandate health and safety enforcements that. Are, uniform across conferences central. So in the PAC, twelve became really apparent to us that although Stamford as an example, they feel quite confident in how their institution is handling their open protocols but. Other schools weren't doing that and so it just became obvious that. you know you're only as strong as your weakest link and so there's one school that's not doing a good job. It doesn't matter. It's going to it's going to a negative impact on the tear conference and so when we met with Larry Scott essentially. Wanted Answers regarding. It became will Larry. Scott needed immediate clear immediately clear. We cannot mandate anything across twelve schools. And I was very concerning to hear titlist. So. Immediately want to play, but we want to do so safely. and this is also only the first step in achieving a players association that can adequately represent the best interests all. They could take us inside if you will andrew that meeting with. With Larry Scott, the commissioner of the pectoral. Again I've been in business for too long time I know how hard it is to have those meetings even for executive staff meeting let alone students. So tell us how you got the meeting how was received what your sense was on how things were going once you're in that room. So I think it's important to get a little bit of context. So route transpired. So on Sunday, you know eight days ago we released our statement of unity our demands Players Tribune. and. The. Shortly. After that, you know the day day we sent a letter to the commissioner all athletic director saying we want daily needs to make progress on these issues at hand. So we can work together make progress on them and create an environment that people feel safe to compete. It's afford is to us. And that that meeting really that negotiation was Larry Scott. Do you director Mark Carlin and the Arizona State Art Burger. And Ray Anderson and you know going into meeting we just wanted to initially outline are issues from our perspective and then have an open discussion or shield related to the issues at hand So, we had a few people discuss racial injustice. Few people discuss the economic injustices a few people discuss the cove, the lack of Covid or does that we Whitney sooner our campus? and. The. Tenor. Shifted. White abruptly. When Larry. Scott told, Nick forward. WHO's the Utah Football Player. Wants to be a doctor in his on the path of becoming a doctor and. He told Nicole. You're talking out both sides of your mouth. When Nick said, he feels safe working out in a gym but doesn't feel safe tackling people info call during this pandemic. and. That you know essentially resulted in. Larry in his temper A. Good ample times throughout the minute I won't plant. Sorry I got heated so. Really, we never got past health and safety got like we couldn't even have a productive discussion about safety. And then the media following out. Essentially, issued a statement that was this was a productive conversations was good. Steps move over this discussion. but that was starkly different from the reality at end so. We felt the need to. Collectively, write a letter. And, send it to him issue essentially voice in our frustration needed more. We wanted student forwarded. Daily of. The denied our bus for daily Mittens and we ask for a lawyer President intermediates and they denied that request as well. That time has there been communication after they deny further discussion whether through an attorney or not. So I don't think so. I haven't done anything since. Then meeting and by the way was that zoom. Zoom has become the staple of everything now. So after that assume That was Thursday late Thursday evening. Late Friday evening we wrote our letter and sentenced to that. and then the letter became public. And then. Sunday. The, world. Flipped on his head is Trevor Lawrence tweeted a graphic. Right. and Are you guys. Your group in the packed well connected. To we want to play play. And we need the group that Justin feels Lawrence and others are tweeting out is there a connection there? That's why the graphic was. Yesterday. Yesterday late afternoon, I guess evening on the East Coast yesterday evening. The leaders of the we wants to play movement and will really. I think the most influential college football players in the country and leaders in our movement came together and had a discussion about our goals in what we wanted to achieve the issue that Amnon. Everyone agreed with each other. We didn't have a voice we didn't have representation we didn't have. Uniform Health and safety mandates we didn't have a players association and we weren't using voice and our of our voice to stand up for what was right. And you know I I received a phone call from. Dylan Stanford the you're just saying he's like huge development explained it to me. And then we got our group together in Dallas odds. Out of Washington state. As. He likes as he said, twenty minutes to save the world to make the graphic essentially with the goals uniting ASHTEC's. We sent trevor. and. It was on twitter within like five seconds. Tell me again who designed that. Alice Dallas OPS. So he he plays football Washington state US. One of the players that was one with cassidy was dismissed from the team essentially or supporting the movement and it was. It was the clear. He wasn't actually best but. The way the coaches framed, it made him. Believe they use dismissed initially and it was only after really receiving public pressure quite frankly did Nicole Digital department backpedal on their statements and say, no, he has scholarship protecting still on the team and so. The reaction that role of Chad is exactly why players were frayed of using their voice to begin with. and so Dallas is incredible. individual he helped him in castaways both co founded the blacks now played association at Washington, State along police parts and who say women's soccer player there. And they're just outstanding college athletes that deserve. Better from their institution deserve more or. in so. Yeah Dallas Nelson dismissal throughout this whole process if you made art graphics as well so us is the graphics with. I mean that's great to to see from obviously A. Expensive Profile of Lawrence and I believe the present night states retweeted that orange as well. It's at a is that ABS- designed? Followed Support Andrew wanted to drill down again on what be and I don't WanNa. Come demands unless that's a word you WANNA news. Wet requests what the game plan is for the movement. is, their revenue demand is there a health and safety demand other than general increased health and safety around COVID and round? concussions and things like that. So. First and foremost given the timing of of sports happening now. The number one goal is to unify behind uniform health and safety mandates. Not, guidelines that mandates that are actually enforceable within enforcement mechanism of some sort. Dot Org number one. Mandates coming from where the conference. Every conference has been doing. A conference only play essentially. A each conference has to be able to. Guaranteed that and show that there are some sort of uniform mandates. That are being followed because it's one thing to set a guideline. And another thing for the institution to follow that. And so as we discovered immediately detect while and as sure as aware now, two trevor, Lawrenson. Their their squad. If your school is doing great, it doesn't really matter. Different school isn't. And so we need to ever wants to be on the same page about these things and the only way that that's going to be able to happen is if an institute gated. Like a players association that can. Help. For the best interest of athletes. Because, there's been in touch with Houma and the NCAA at currently exists. Jaramogi has helped provide. Information. And guidance throughout. The organizing processing to answer questions that we have about. And that? A union. Situation you're looking at or you're talking about organizing something separate. So unionization. Of. College Sports. Is. Unfavourable giving the labor laws that existed in America? Yeah. Covered the northwestern situation. So as you're familiar, you know the difference between public and private institutions and national versus local labor laws. It's. Is Not favorable because you want uniformity in sports right and so. Really the reason why? The. NBA and NFL have antitrust exemptions is because The NFL bargains with the NFL PA. The NBA bargains with the. and. Excuse me. There's no. Negotiation mechanism between players in his solutions in college athletics and there needs to be. It's were not at the point where we can just ignore these issues and more there needs to be an entity, the accident best interests of athletes As I said unionization is not a path but. These schools are capable in these conferences are capable voluntarily recognizing players association and agreed to terms with that players association nor Really WanNa forefront is unity. And being unified behind health and safety. but also just being unified behind. The broad concept that college athletes deserve better. Economic demand that I see something about one fifty percent of revenues from athletics. So. Excuse me in our initial. The initial terms that we lay forward. were. Highly comprehensive. And we wanted to make a statement show. What are worth values. and. So it didn't take long for US bigger out that in professional sports, there's a fifty fifty split. And so it's more for is more something is a goal for us to work towards. not-so-subtle short, not to sell herself short with a five percent revenue. Is As you know, you don't want to leave anything on the table as you enter negotiations Brad. And so. Is More of a starting point and I think what? We've really decided in the last twenty, four hours between. You know we're united. We want to play coming together is simply we want players. Association. because the health and safety of these incredible athletes at jeopardy and. there needs to be instituted. I can advocate for the best interests of athletes. More with Andrew in a minute, I word from our sponsor draft kings has brought their expertise to legal sports betting right here. In this country, you can rest assured your funds or secure. Their apt is safe secure reliable. You can deposit withdraw your money at your convenience. NBA Games going on you can. pre-game money line on a single game released twenty five and you'll receive a ten dollar free bet to use a live market within that game. New Users get a bonus up to one thousand dollars. So download the top rated drafting sportsbook gap. Use the code ROSSALL CAPS RSS when you sign up. It's for a limited time. Only users get that Santa Bonus up to a thousand dollars. 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If College or If the season is canceled. Everything that we are advocating or still stamps. All of these things needs to be met still. Like. Players deserve a voice. I think what we've? What's happened? What happened last night? Is. It ended the chapter of players not having a voice. Anymore. Now. We're in a new era of college sports. Were players have a voice they're using it. And they are telling the world that we deserve rights. But with even a Trevor Lawrence in Preston fields tweet these things out. Presidents say it's too risky. TOO risky with covert. Has that voice worked. I mean they. They still shutout squirt. Obviously. There's room -cations economically but. I guess the question is, what are they? Why do you say that? Why has has that one? Erin serving another Because, players have never used their voice like this. and. I don't think that financial. Incentives should ever be prioritised above the health and safety at students. And It kind of seemed like it was going that direction has. These institutions released new schedules not and delayed meeting with us and really failed to answer. Really any of our questions or concerns relating to return to play. And when you're player trying to decide if you're going to play sports, you're not compensated There's no students on campus your. At. A high risk of. Negative impact from the disease because you have a high body mass index and the predominant workforce in college sources black. And so you know Kogo defects, black athletes. I believe four times rate higher than white or black people. Sorry. At a rate four times higher than that. Of White People. And so. When that's the reality, the landscape that you're in and you can't even guarantee that it's going to be the same safety protocols across the conference on Women's speech for the PAC twelve at the moment. It's An unfavorable proposition to give athletes especially when their eligibility isn't even protected. There's no, there's still no eligibility protective So they if they could potentially be opting out or scholarship is protected, but they could be opting out and just lose this year of eligibility. So. To a lot about this, they want that extra year and they can't really make a decision. Until, they're given that and they also can't make the decision because they don't even know what they're opting into. Not In. It has not been made clear. What it is that we want to opt into what isn't this right? Like what? Questions that they have answered. So if presidents do make that decision, it means it's the right decision and it's one that they should have made a long time ago because you know I think that the PAC twelve they just released their new schedule. It's obvious apparent that they had every intention moving forward with football season. until. Players raise their voices in concern of mood. Policies. It only highlights why players in all college athletes deserve an entity that represents the best choice. In beclere do you think this advocacy is causing leaders has college football to question whether they have a sport or now? To question whether they played season. Yeah I mean you're saying that scheduled around everything seems fine and then the advocacy groups come up like yourself and now we're wondering if if they're going to have performed. So Do you think your movement has created doubt in the minds of leadership about whether even the half college? Football? Absolute, I mean I'm on the Cross Country Team Right now, and they have zero answer stress regarding. I coach doesn't know anything about one coming back or anything no they say that they're all these guidelines, but they're not explaining to us how they're actually going to enforce mandate is so that people actually follow them. I think the pressure is on right now. In. These questions have been asked for a long time slot like these came out of nowhere, right? No, they have had ample time as the big ten set. They have had ample time. To. Make these guidelines mandates to show US WHY Returning to play can be saved and the only been able to answer the question of is it safe? and if they can't question that can only lead us to believe that it's not safe. How, do you respond to them the economics question and I guess I know everybody jumps on you know these these these have water slides and. You know in Davos winning makes ten million Knicks David make coal mine a year. But there is an economic issue I saw the MAC canceled football the MAC. In, one of their big issues as we can't afford the testing, we just can't afford it. We don't have the money protesting. Does that resonate with you that when when the school say we don't have the economics and the second part of that question. Is something I know you'll push back against and I wanna hear it is decide either that non revenue sports like one urine. Will be negatively impacted. With more money, put into these sports like football. So, test the first part of the question. The money has been going up every year. And I know in the PAC twelve specifically, they pulled in five, hundred, forty million in the most recent fiscal year. And I believe the big ten pulled in like specifically. I believe four years ago. The big ten pulled in five, hundred, thirty nine. And so in the last. Four years. Packs twelve has increased the revenue. I believe one, hundred, fifty to two hundred. And so. The operating expenses have not increased I believe beyond set if you exclude salaries. The money is getting put somewhere in his being spence. In, my eyes You know as students studying this in writing my master's thesis on his stomach inequities, sports. It seems white obvious to me that the NC Double Anna's member institutions are overspending to create the impression that they are worthy of their nonprofit status that they're worthy of not paying taxes. And this question of should these athletes be paid as always been the wrong question my eyes. Should be, should these institutions be held to the same standard as other institutions in America? And when Your Business Lose money and I think we're on a business shows, it's a business I think you've acknowledged that when your business loses money still pay your workforce. Right like that's not something we tolerate. In America like if you can't afford to be in business, you shouldn't be in the business that and so with Cova specifically if you can't afford it if you can't create a safe work environment. Than you shouldn't be putting these athletes in position like Larry. Scott told us in the mid if you don't feel safe than opt out and go hall. Well, it should. The burden shouldn't be on the players to make that decision. Regarding their health and safety like if you're going to be creating an environment that's been be profiting off of the Labor of these athletes. That environment should be safe for them to work and is why a lot of people are still working from home because the liability. Is too great for this employers at a specific moment. Now. Whether we should be returning player not during this endemic. I think that the government should do their job and make that decision earlier. Given their local ordinances of where they're at on because it's different everywhere. regarding the second question this. Are Non Revenue Sports. I run cross country and track. And, there's this is myth. That name image likeness would only benefit a small handful of athletes on campus. But I can say with all certainty. That is a subpar cross country. Runner could start a camp in Milo hometown in Seattle and make a couple thousand dollars off during the summers and I'm currently not allowed to because of the workplace. Alice can't make money out is designed company. Because of the names likeness rules in place and so because amateurism is just like shut the gate on business opportunities for athletes. I think we're really not even. Aware of how many out this would benefit from these economic rights I deeply believe the economic rights protections. Football players is economic rights and protections for all athletes. In the more unified, we are alike there we are to protect all sports because it shouldn't be the athletes who are punish. For. Negligent spending of these institutions. So to me. Women. Specifically would benefit tremendously. Name image likeness rights and revenue sharing. Because East Women's sports are much more incredible than we realize I, went to the I. Wish I was wearing the shirt right now but I want the. A. Women's final four soccer championship this year and it was a phenomenal environment. It was incredible. stadium was packed via stadium in San Jose mls stadiums packed there were you know dozens of food truck benders I mean if you've actually attended any of these women's events, you know they are popular there. Women's Women's softball. In NCW makes more money across the board than baseball. Like there is money that is not being granted to women chilly because they don't have isis economic breads and unfortunately in America. In College colleges, the highest level of sport that. Ilbo to these women and so to me, it's A, we're doing the women great disservice by not giving them access the same economic bride since everyone else all all athletes deserve it quite frankly. Of cutting non revenue or than I think the ones that promotes risk are men's non revenue or arts. Because of what you said about women's sports and because the title nine. I mean as you and I joked before Stanford Guy. Guy On the same screen. That's okay. I live with Aaron Rodgers for ten years so I get it. Almost. Tumultuous limits, tuition yeah. Brad speaking of Stanford just Kinda of sports. and. You know eleven sports. Now we got mailings from Stanford about yeah. We had thirty six. That's the most and then she had division one, we have it down. But this is not unique all over the country. It seems like men's baseball men's wrestling squash rowing crew. They're all at risk right now I know which related to cope it out of no actually escalating costs with football and basketball. But this is something where I just wonder. If a movement like yours requires more economic inputs. into whatever. That these other sports could be at risk just raising the question. While I think it's you know a reallocation of funding. First off Stanford as an example. Stanford's got twenty seven billion dollar Dowman. For them to just say we don't have the money I think is ludicrous because these athletic department we we often liked isolate them put them in. A, you know not beneath the purview of universities, but the reality is they're part of the University Department of the University of the university has funds to afford the. Sports the endow the easiest place look as the endowments, but the way that money is spent on salaries can be reconsidered The way that funds are distributed by the conference can be redistributed, and so I only hope that we begin a open discussion between athletes and his institutions to figure out how can we do this financially feasible manner that protects. Because all options needs to be on the tape. You know for Stanford to say, we don't have the money and they have the one of the largest documents in the country. To meet appears as how does that make you feel as? Yeah with upsetting and as I said, we kinda demanded answers at least some of us in terms of inquiry to provost. And that was the gist you know that was one of the upkeep, the rest of the company, but he kept talking about. We were number one in division one in terms of number of sports thirty, seven or thirty six. Now. We're down to twenty five, which is still up in the higher level events. Hey, division one mathematics so. You're right. You know as an alum, it's frustrating to see some of those get cut and it's frustrating as someone in the businesses sports to see these programs cut around the country. Really. Yeah I mean listen I understand is big business that's my expertise I. Just want to understand economics college sports better I'm at Villanova now. where I run a sports loss where it's business program and I'm aware that we have twenty five sports and only one. Men's basketball makes money. and it has to carry some of expenses for some of the other sports but. You know we have a football program that doesn't make any money and it costs a lot of money but we football's important I do. Anyway I. WanNa wrap. was also sorry to add onto this points or we also have division two and division three sports. The like. This idea that you need to make money to have sports I think. You Know University's decided sports are important on this so we should. Now, what this is doing those it's opening up. The can of worms so to speak on our universities spending their money. because. You know it doesn't stop at sorts. It goes to our faculty members getting paid. How who has decision making power over what other governments do and you know my experience election stating cal Berkeley sort that. That firm exists only outside of anything to do with the university and financially that's just not the reality. Of how university. In. So universities exists serve their students. And they often choose to spend money and lucid so that these players have opportunity play, there's also. You know. Tuition being brought in by these not revenue sports. So if you have someone museum example I'm GonNa. Walk. I, have a loan. You know tuition. You know the school is making money off me like a lot of ask these pay money to go to school and. When we ignored that elements of the conversation it gets us into much muddier waters but I think quite frankly the money is there. Yeah Yeah I mean I, read an article early on and all this about schools would be better off adding sports to make money than than dropping sports because they get a lot of people like you that our students. but I suppose they think we pay student special place like San. We. Can get open students and not. Not have these expensively sports. Because everyone wants to come here so. That's a conversation for another day but Andrew I wanNA. Let you go I want to again where are we now commissioner Larry Scott Group at ten twelve and your grew I know where we left it was not thrilled about the meeting and apologize. For some of his anger. But as we sit here today now days after the meeting on August ten. and. The whole world is kind of. Questionable. Whether even going to have conflict football ten other places. Where are we now? We are waiting or Larry's nuts response we are waiting or the PAC twelve oaks show leadership. Conference champions which. In our letter, we say this is. this conference has a proud history, but this is not a proud moment. I believe. This conference as some of the most incredible athletes. People that I've ever met will ever meet my life. but every single day that we don't address these issues, we are putting our communities at greater risk of this disease in this pandemic and we need to work together but our differences aside to make progress on these things then we want to meet with them daily and they just. Don't want to others so. We have no answers. From. The Commission in the conference and You, we are still seeing the ramifications of the bomb Trevor Lawrence dropped on twitter yesterday. and. You know this is Dave I didn't know any of this been happened yesterday. So I don't know what's going to happen tomorrow. I think we're all we're all trying to figure that out. What if if last question, what if Larry Scott Stonewall and just sit now? Thanks I'm glad we met. Here's what we're doing. We're going to hit or football. And no guidelines for opt-outs. What happened. Just go ahead with ball like we've been pretty clear that we have over four hundred and fifty players that feel I've way, and that's only the numbers you know that doesn't even show the implicit support. So if they go this day, we're going to have football you know. That's That's a can of worms while doesn't want to open but. I think it would be wholly negligent if they did that is would be way too unsafe and I think that the schools would be held liable for the damages if they did. You guys have legal representation. What we asked Larry if we could have lawyers president future meetings and he said, no so. Not Answer also. And keep in touch on US and. Yeah I mean this is. This is really interesting to me. It's a player empowerment edition. You guys have done something. Bold and I don't think it's over state to say historic. So I was glad to get you on to talk about. And that's truly a compliment coming from you and. All of your expertise background in this space. So I'm thankful for you in the work that you. I appreciate you for having me on. Thanks Andrew Good luck to you. Thank you. Thank you day by hope you enjoy that. We'll see what comes out of it. We'll see what comes out of college football, but I interesting to sort of listen in on what happened meeting between these students. Using their own sense of empowerment to try to meet and instill change in. Now they've got trevor. Lawrence tweeting about it. They're trying to use it at the highest levels and maybe we're onto something here. This could be historic as I said on the PODCAST. And that'll do it for this week's edition of the business of Sports with Andrew Brenick College Sports Edition. College football player empowerment, and beyond we are united we WANNA play. Let's follow it. Appreciate all these. Follow me on twitter at Andrew Brandt. Reshaped my producer extraordinaire Brian Neal musical producers, Sam Brandt. 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August 15th, 2020- Scott Howard, Scooter Molander, Juan Roque and Kelsey Dickerson

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August 15th, 2020- Scott Howard, Scooter Molander, Juan Roque and Kelsey Dickerson

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We are back for another Edition. Welcome everybody. Hope everyone's having a great week another Hot Weekend here in the Valley of the Sun Vince. Everybody's just trying to stay cool right now. I think my friend temperatures over one ten for the past week and it's going to continue that way at least until next weekend. I think so. Yeah and what's what's well what's special about it is we've had more days over a hundred ten degrees in the him. Three of Phoenix then then it has been recorded in in Prior year. So it's a kind of a big deal. But also that humidity is just slowly starting to creep up a little bit. So it makes it a little bit less bear month. So it's not so much a dry heat anymore. But anyway, so James, how're you doing my friend? How's your week been? I'm doing good. How about you my man? I'm doing good. It's been a busy week. The kids are getting ready to come back to school next week at work. And so we had to get a lot of last-minute things done and new students entered into the system and all that sort of thing. So get them ready to go for Monday. And so Monday is d day and we just been getting ready for that. So it's nice to have a couple days off here before we get cracking with school next week. How about you? Yeah same here in the delisio household a little bit of drama here last couple of days. So oh so I I'm told that I snore home. And so and then I have sleep apnea so are performed and at home sleep study last night. Oh, yeah, so no. Well, no Cheryl taste. She she does take me snoring dog. Just proof and I keep telling her that that me but anyway, so I did a sleep study. I slept horribly had some things connected to me and everything all around my body. And and so I'll be home at this time next week. I'll be well rested with a brand new CPAP machine will see. Oh good. Good. Yeah. Yeah. Anyway, it's very important but it is almost certainly so those are when you're busy guy like yourself. Oh, well, that's it the movers and shakers, you know, I mean, that's how we roll but you know outside of that not much else going on, you know. We've we've heard some news here last couple of days on you know, High School fall Sports and some things going on Phoenix Union High School District just reported that they are going to deliver a the start of their seasons and and it's not a complete postponement. They said they are watching the metrics the the the dashboard on help James. What do you do with yourself difference? I did a little multicam sir. Oh my gosh. So you guys at home watching on YouTube or get get the privilege of seeing James here with his multi-camera. Look there. That's awesome. I know we do it from home. That is amazing. So so you've heard about these metrics these Dash boards here. And and so what they are is there these these metrics that the state has put together for schools recommendation. What have you that you know, if you have less than 10 cases per 100,000 less than 5% positivity then then they they say it is safe to purchase. Feed with activities. So right now in Maricopa County and most of the State of Arizona looks like we're still over a hundred cases per 100km, you know over 10% off. So they're they're they've asked and they've recommended within at least within the Phoenix Union High School District to kind of tailor back and and not do anything for now. They haven't ruled out with having fall Sports altogether just yet but they're watching those key metrics now, so our fingers are crossed that you know that we can get those numbers down we continue to to be safe in in you know, how we social distance and and you know where that mass can be out there and and just be careful watch those hands and if you have a compromised immune system obviously stay home, but we you know, we're optimistic that our young people can get out there and and stay active. Well, yes and you mentioned things you in high school district as of right now, it's simply postponed or delayed or they're kind of in the wait-and-see mode. Right now not not officially all done with all sports yet. But a lot of colleges to events announcing that they're moving things to the spring. I wanted to get your thoughts to specifically on the Pac-12 since you had quite a relationship with Arizona State University. What do you think about them? Not only you know, if it affects you of a as well, but ASU and a number of those schools in the Pac-12. I don't know. I'm I'm just thought you know, I I don't I just feel like I do have opinions but I'm afraid if I express them. I don't know we're not going to be on the air next week. So I got to be extremely careful with that sure, you know, you lead a horse to water. I mean my gosh, you know, if you're going to do it do it, you know in other words. So if you plan forces you do all these things, you know do it and if it means limit of who you have in your Stadium how many people out there testing them? Like for example, James I met up with you this week at the Jujitsu Center over there where your kids go and the first thing they did what do they do with? And you walk in the door. They don't let you go any further than the entrance of the door because they do what temperature check temperature check when I walked in I had walked in I parked my car in the shade about a hundred miles down from from birth guys look like they hold these classes. So, you know, it was a hundred fifteen outside I go in she checks my temp. She goes out your temp is too high and I'm like, yeah, I know because it's hundred fifteen. She said wait 5 minutes. We'll check it out sure enough five minutes came by temperature was fine. I was able to proceed so, you know, there's things you can do now obviously on the other side of that you gotta be extremely careful. Hi, Cheryl. He said she's trying to be you know, we don't have some fancy, you know room like you do. Oh god. Oh man. So Saving Grace morning. Yes. So anyway, long story short when I was getting at is the fact that you know, you you can make projections. You can kind of see how things go, but there's also other things you can log. You to to be careful. I you know, I don't know I you know, that's why we sit in our chair and they sit in there is because obviously they're closer to the situation. So I don't know James anyway. Yeah, it's dead. I would say it's above my pay grade fences. What the heck is no one really asks you have but you know, there's there's precautions in place for a number of schools and a number of programs and I was talking with a gentleman yesterday, you know, if if you're able to isolate the issue obviously done it very successfully down in Orlando in the bubble for the NBA after able to isolate some people somewhat maybe not completely isolate them, but there's some sort of degree and if those people in that group or page that so-called bubble if you will if they don't have Percent and and it and so I don't know. Where are we going to be a month from now? Where are we going to be a week from now? I all I know is that I have three teens at home. I am three high schoolers and their and as I'm in manage your kids are a little young so they gotta be going stir-crazy. We you know, and these are Uncharted Territory for for all of the above and and we just gotta be careful gotta be careful. But we you know at the same time we spoke to live and and in in do things and just do it safely. Yes. Exactly. We got Cheryl against that are necessary and then it's going to be tough. I'll be honest with you because I thought we had a couple of events at the school over the past couple of weeks where we had to have some kids come on campus and parents and so forth and to keep that social distancing. It's it's tough, especially when it's a hundred fifteen outside and you can't hey would you mind waiting outside for a few minutes? You know, I know it's a hundred twenty output. We're trying to keep everybody apart. It's it's a tough line to walk but we've got to walk it for sure. Yeah, and we both of us have spoken to coaches out there High School. Just all over that that are mixed that that have perspectives on both ends. But for the most part they they feel like, you know, their kids need to do something. They gotta do something but when the season starts when they they feel it should start it's all over the map. So I you know, yeah some districts are aligning things with with whenever in person school starts and and off with some sort of formula. So we'll just have to kind of hang on and wait and see and say a few prayers in the meantime, but we got a big show coming up today events. We're going to be talking with a couple of High School coaches and the second segment coach scooter mole and vole the East Mark Firebirds, and yes. Howard from the Fords Gophers. They'll be squaring off. Hopefully fingers crossed again during one of our Thursday Night Football matchups, and they were going to speak with speaking of ASU All-American Juan Roque is going to join us and give us a little information on ASU football and then final segment today. We'll be joined by our friend Kelsie Dickerson from the Arizona Humane Society and then we'll get a few updates from home. To get going on over there fun stuff all the way around. You know, I talked to Juan R. Okay, last week was an old friend from resu Days twenty years ago. And and and I said, hey one you got a Sun Devil report for us this week. Absolutely. I'm talking to Ray Anderson on Thursday and you know meet with the 80 and then I'll I'll report back and we'll we'll do something real will do it up real good and I'll talk about everything that's going on out there song very generous with his time looking forward to having one on one will be on about halfway through the show. And and as you said, yeah scooter bolander legendary former Brophy coach now started a new program out in East Mark in Queen Creek and Scott Howard out of Florence High School. They were set to kick off Friday, October 4th. I want to say it's it's so it was one of our Friday night a Thursday Thursday Night Football Friday edition that that they were going to be squaring off out at Florence and and so, you know fingers crossed again season holds up, that would be literally be the the phone number. Say the first week of the season for high schools and and and that'll be a great matchup. So looking forward to hearing from both of them and weighing in on their topics veteran coaches. Great with kids great with families great with admin that's key to and and they've been around forever. So anyway, thanks looking forward to coming back and spending my morning with you my friend. Yes, sir. It's going to be another great show. I'm looking forward to visit with them and kind of seeing how things are developing as school is starting for a lot of a lot of schools whether that be if they're going online or if they're actually going in person. I don't Queen Creek School started in person last week. So the bulb was already rolling Vents and we'll kind of have to see how it bounces as they say. All right, come on back to the JV Sports show here after the break. As you said, it'll be our JV High School Spotlight segment Eastmark head football coach scooter bolander and Florence Gophers head football. Coach. Scott Howard will be right back after the break State. I am ready to bring home a new home with a 1-year. Hi, I'm Alexa download the USA. This is where I start my day. Ron Scott here. Congratulations JD Sports shows one year anniversary special shout-out to James the personality of the program. 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Www.sports.com and let us show you the benefits of partnering up with James and I on the JV sports show. Meet social information about k t u s a m 1064 ik DUS 1060 Comp US am 1060 on Twitter and Facebook. 10:16 a.m. It's the JV Sports shows High School space spot light off. Welcome back to the Jamie Sports show James Bowie alongside my broadcast partner if it's Eliseo. There's this time for a little high school football and talk. What do you say my friend it is here we are and we are joined by a couple of Veteran coaches here in the valley Florence High School Gophers head football coach Scott Howard and Eastmark Firebirds head football coach scooter bolander coaches Howard. Am olander. Good morning gentlemen. Good morning. Good morning, Okay guys lot going on. Obviously. How's your offseason been here leading up to through the summer here leading into fall coach coach Howard you first Our off season has been pretty good. We've been about eighty strong for about nine weeks now and you know, the kids are really excited obviously with everything going on, you know, this is kind of like outlet and they've done a good job all summer long. It's been this has been great work. Ethic has been awesome. So we're we're we're ready to go. We were ready to go for August 17th. Unfortunately got pushed back already for December 7th coach Howard. Are you guys starting in person to begin the school year or you guys going to have maybe at hybrid mix of online? And then when does that start efficient performance High School? Actually, I will be in person starting October 5th. So we're not going back where everything will be online and for the first quarter and then but they're allowing us. Our district is allowing us to Like normal, obviously with protocols in place to keep everybody safe. But yeah, we're not going back till October 5th coach melendres. So Eastmark started just a couple of years back. She got a really young team playing a varsity schedule this year. What's it like for those young people out there and in navigating through all this and and getting them ready for the season? Well am junior team and everyone else will be freshman and sophomore sophomore than off. I'm proud of our guys that work hard and and we really need them to mature and you know, it's a biggest thing that you know, understanding the work ethic that it you know, when the when the took a good time and and when to get after it and fortunately we have a good coaching staff that Adam sure my offensive coordinator Mark Reiner our defensive coordinator Chris driving Hawk our team. Those guys are doing a great job coach Royal and I'll kind of pose the same question to you as I did for Coach Howard. When do you guys start school there at Eastmark? And will that be online or in-person to sneak will be a mix of both we've been online for we go back to school on Monday with many face protocols in place and everybody's excited to get back to you can't call it normal school if you know because it's there's very very important protocols. As I said, everyone will be required to wear masks all of the time and the district has done a great job of communicating effectively and putting in Space Program together. So that's interesting scooter. The the fact that you've got your district is it's going to be resuming on Monday and there are others that were still kind of a little gun-shy there and and taking a stance that they're not quite ready yet how how the parents embraced, you know getting the kids out of the house and getting it back. I know how I would feel about getting myself out of the house, but what's it been like Well, yeah, you're going to have to ask our Administration really that yeah, I know our our football program and our kids are excited to get back home good that's great. And and with regard and with that then you guys obviously are going to be on field you're going to be practicing as well. Correct? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yep, you know, it's a it's a fine line of making sure that your training the guys hard and also giving them some time off this week. We'll we won't be practicing in our camp. We will do some lifting but we're going to give them this week off and then, you know go hard and and take time off and it's important as the season. It's got already mentioned. The season has been pushed back and so once it starts it's going to be a Sprint, you know it an intense print and so we need to make sure everybody prefers birth. And we began and not not feel like they just been grinding and our ground down. We're visiting here with Coach Scott Howard from the forest golfers and Coach scooter. Mohanraj. Smart fiber is coach Howard. Once you guys resume school, like you said you'll be going online for the first quarter of the Year James Kennedy and I apologize James James. Can I interrupt you real quick. Can you call the studio back? Because you would just dropped off the call if you don't mind, please thank you and and with that and we might as well, I've got another question for scooter really quick sure scooter so much because the season is is said to to begin October 1st. Does that mean that that from what you see with the schedule? It's going to be the the same schedule going forward in terms of you know, you're at that point in the season your first that game would have been you guys traveling over to Florence. Is that going to be the same or a things changing with the AIA? That's a great question Vincent and it's going to change because there were a lot of scenes that for whatever reason decided not to play obviously for safety. Just imagine in this particular location. And so now we all have 2019 and three a there will be a seven-game season. I believe there will be back by week at the end of seven games and then a 16-team playoffs still I think if a very good plan and so yeah, that's that's what we know from our coach out what I was going to ask you a moment ago with you guys starting online. How are you going to have practices or you going to keep that at the typical time? It's nice to do three 4:00 or you may be going to jump it up and get those guys out of bed a little early in the morning and knock it out before the school day starts. What's the overall plan? We're going to go at night. We've been going at night. Pretty much the last four week. We're going will be going about 6 from 6 to 8:30 every night any kind of wage Board of works out for our coaches or coach's are doing a tremendous job getting these guys ready and we've got teach classes. And so I didn't want to put the pressure on our coaches to you know, I'm done in the classroom and then or online classroom and then have to get over to the school. So we're supposed to be practicing at 9. And honestly, it's going to help serve a lot of things are protocols and placed the kids. Unfortunately, we're not going to be allowed to use like locker rooms and things like that. So the kids will be able to come dressed out ready to go for practice. They'll be able to bring their own water things that you know, some of those protocols that we have to kind of adjust to and we still and we still have to worry about the Heat and the the acclamation to the Heat and stuff like that. So I think that'll dead. Fort a lot of that those things as well or do you have a lot of off-campus coaches there and and what what's it been like for them in in having to re-acclimate themselves with with being around back around the kids and how is that going? You know, actually, I've been very blessed. We we have the majority of our coaches are on on campus and on down south where they work with our kids every single day. So they're you know, they they've been around but I mean it does make a challenge. It is a challenge, you know, we got a couple of our our offensive line coach going to relax. Relax, you know, he's a he's a department head for the math department. So he's you know, he's got a lot on his plate in terms of teaching online and and getting the department going, you know virtually and then we got another postcard line is as a math teacher as well and our student council advisor, so he got a lot going on and then Thursday. We got we got some great coaches that are you know working in other other Realms on the campus security guards, like coach and Coach Neil and of course the lie that are doing an awesome job. I just hoping supports our kids and then we got our coach wants is our is our Waits guy. He's doing an awesome job in the weight room with our kids so long, you know, they're they're they've been great. They've been there all summer long the I think that's a big thing for our kids to kind of normalcy with us as a coaching staff. And so, you know, I I've heard a lot of great things from parents that you know, this has been an outlet form and I think that's going to continue once the season starts. we are joined by Florence High School head football coach Scott Howard Eastmark High School head football coach scooter bolander, you know gentlemen we are we plus here as we go through and you've obviously seen each other on film so coach mole and her I'm going to give you the floor first. What is coach Howard do well at and what are you going to do to to beat his tape off? Well, you know that he's running really good programme down on special teams and we're definitely going to need we're going to need to play hard. We're going to need luck to beat them. You know, they'd have they'd have a very established program going down final minute. What are you going to do to to beat the Firebirds interesting, you know with them being their first year of Varsity level. I've seen fell off. I know personally have done an outstanding job and he's got great coaching stuff. I know they're going to be well prepared. We're going to play hard. There's going to be a big game for both teams. We're not using PowerPoint. I'm going to go off of region to region teams make it and I think there's three things in our region that'll be biased by for those spots. So I know what we're going to get a discipline t e Don't play hard. It's going to be Athletics, So we're excited. I'll say anymore. Thank you gentlemen so much for joining us. We appreciate your time this morning head coach Scott Howard from the Florence gophers and the coach scooter bolander of the East Mark Firebirds both on the Slate for Thursday Night Football this upcoming full. So we're looking forward to being out there and hosting that game. So it's going to be a great. Yeah. Thank you gentlemen for joining us this morning. We wish you continued success and we will catch up to you in the coming weeks. Thanks guys. Yeah special edition of Thursday Night Football to be played on Friday night, October 4th. So it should be exciting out of Florence coach how it's going to have the concierge ready for us over there in the shrimp cocktail and all that in the broadcast Booth. So looking forward to that. But thank you again gentleman and coming up next. What do we have James? We've got all American one rotation and join us for he's going to give us the Georgia football report looking to get some inside information. 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Welcome back to sports show and when we hear that song, we know it's time for one thing and the JV Sports show Sun Devil report by an old friend of the program an old friend to me a brother one Roque All-American and teddy bear at heart want good morning, sir. Good morning guys. Thanks for having me on you know, it's funny. You you played the fight song and this is really, you know, zonis season right now when the team would be either coming back from Camp, you know and getting ready for the season and yep. Facebook memories just popped up right now with Coach Kush Vikings ago being carried off the field. I mean that talk about a sign before I came on the air to talk about the Met Breuer from above, you know, just just you know, just you know, just when you think of the tradition of the awesomeness that Arizona State football, you know, all entities man. What a way to start it off now I just thought it showed you guys. What how does it feel to be known as a let a Sun Devil Legend and you know, the ASU football goes spans a lot of years and a lot of times right names have have come through but that the upper echelon there. There are few and you are you rank right up there with some of the grades and is it is there like a special club like where you know, you gotta wear like a spring jacket you go into and and you get privileges with a you know, a card a membership card. I mean, what's that like? Well, I'm in the Hall of Fame. I got inducted in 2009 which was a tremendous honor just the fact that you're in the home. And you think about the football players that are in there like Randall McDaniel Jake Plummer Pat Tillman, you know Dan salomone, you know, I mean, it's curly Culp, you know to just guys that I just, you know, a tremendous football players a tremendous people, you know, like for instance, you know, so that that is a very exclusive Club. But you know, they they made it even more exclusive where they have the Ring of Honor and sadly it's you know, when the stadium Renovations and all those things. I don't believe anyone's been inducted since since 2015. I imagine maybe 2014 so it's all on hold so I'm not in that group yet. So hopefully it'll take isn't in there. I'm not in there, you know, like guys like Shante Carver but to be considered a quote-unquote legend is a tremendous honor just because you come here as a freshman and you're just happy to get your scholarship and happy to have the opportunity to play football and to be able to you know, good on the field and represent the school or earn your degree and you know the instrument right there with us. I mean what we accomplished as a team. Man is coaches and its strength coaches and trainers, you know, it was a combined team effort what we accomplished in nineteen, ninety six and then you just hear people talk about it today with Iraq and the excitement like it just happened ten minutes ago when you're forty six years old man, that's powerful. That's what you know, that that you've made an impact individually collectively as a player as a team. We did something special. We were Sports in the valley for that period in time and people still remember it and they remember it was such excitement that it's hard not to get fired up for a new season hoping we could replicate that at some point home. Now who decides on the ASU Ring Of Fame who votes on that during an honor committee or Ring of Honor this could be these that are set up, you know, there's they're just people like for for the national football foundation for instance, you know that for college College Football Hall of Fame, you know, they have a committee and then they do a nomination and then it goes through a vetting process and I'm sure you probably has the same type of thing with wage. Certain individuals. I imagine, you know Ray Anderson's part of that the you know past coaches tennis players. So it's hard to say that they haven't inducted anyone lately. But you know now that the stadium renovation is done or sure some point when we get back to football, I'll hopefully that'll take off again. And I mean you never know. I'm not saying I'm going to be there but I may have a shot at that that maroon jacket and it'd be a tremendous honor if it did happen. Well, we got a way to get you up there once right. We also got to get off of line needs to be in there. But anyway, that's a whole other story agree. That's the whole 96 offensive. I should be in the Hall of Fame. I agree a hundred percent with amazing group and amazing people one. I gotta ask you now, so I'm obviously last week at this time. We were planning a kick off. It was the territorial cup now, we don't and and so what's going on over there? You said you had a conversation with Ray Anderson this week tell me what's happening now dead. Well, actually we didn't get right on the podcast, you know, some don't go by Saturday because the situation what happened they had to postpone it so we won't talk to Ray until August 27th. But what I know is right now is that the situation is they keep using the f word and not the bad f word the word fluid. It's a fluid situation. It's constantly changing this information coming in from all ends and guys, you know, it's very frustrating. It's very heartbreaking, you know, we should be talking about saving Daniels right now. We should be talking about who's going to replace email. We should be talking about this offensive line, you know, you know how hard they going to come together this season? You know, how are they going to respond to Marvin Lewis? We should be talking about that season 3 either Herm train instead. Yep talking about a season that could be potentially lost. I mean, I never planned for this week. I mean since when we did your show back and what you know when this all was March in March. Yeah, we speak with be here. No, I didn't even know it was frustrating just in March and I imagine now. What these kids are going through that that's that's the thing that gets me events. And you know, you were right there with us and I can't imagine what it's like for these repairs that you prepare off you prepare. You you commit you're doing everything that's been asked of you. You're on campus you're protecting yourself and to them somehow say sorry guys, maybe January maybe not. I'm not faulting the administration. I'm not in any way involved in the league player safety comes first. I get it. I understand that might have a kid in college football who's in quarantine right now on on on Arizona Christiansburg get it about the players. We gotta make sure they're safe. We got to make sure that we're not endangering them and you know, there's a lot of information on this virus. That's it. It could potentially be a full-body effect. They could have liver organ damage liver damage. We we don't want our kids exposed to that if we don't have to but but at the same time, it's frustrating. It's frustrating because as the situation is so fluid as the word I'm using is that there's ten it's just it's all dead. Just making it up as they go along in some ways. But yeah, they're airing on the side of player safety, but it still sucks that we get to lose the season because we're visiting here with some demo All-American Juan wrote a one-page think during this frustration. That's obviously there's players are going through right now having worked all offseason and getting really ramped up for fall Camp, which you mentioned would probably be going on this week already long. Do you think it will drive more of those players to work even harder and when they finally get that chance to to Blow That Whistle kick that football off, they'll be even more prepared or do you think it might go the opposite way and deprived of them to the point where oh man, I'm so I'm so bored might not even play football anymore. You know, you don't that's a great question and you I hadn't even thought about that too. You just brought up and you know, what bring up a great Point. What is it going to do? What is it? What effect is it going to have on the players? Is it going to teach them that football is is is a gift and it is the privilege that you know, it's not a right that the fact that you get to play your Bless the Dead. The practice put on bad you're already blessed. I mean just to be walking into the locker room at Arizona State as a freshman with no promise that you're going to be in all America with no promise that you're going to be a professional with no promise that you're gonna do anything other than go to school and be a part of the team. That's a blessing. That's a privilege. So kids maybe need to start re-evaluating especially with guys in their ears about, you know, cutting the pie and being part of the money machine, you know, not at the whole thing's taken away. Maybe it's going to make them appreciate the sport a little more mean. It's going to make them study a little harder maybe a little more appreciative of what they're being given you're given a scholarship but an opportunity just yeah and and the better yourself as a human being and as an athlete and as everything, you know that goes into it and I'm sure what I want what I do have to say what I have to say is this what I've seen in other programs around the country there have been players star players that have been coming out saying I'm not going to play this year. I'm not going to play this year. It's not say and and kind of forcing the hand of their school to to make that decision. I haven't heard back. Coming out of a s u I haven't heard guys Star players say, you know, we're not we're not going to play and and tell us about that. I I think that a lot of this new attitude and a lot of the kids about self-entitlement wanting a piece of the pie wanting to be treated as professionals when they're not they're amateurs Arthur's college students who are being given an opportunity to play football and go to school then they'll get me started on that you about paying that we can have a whole show about that. A lot of people don't have to say I really do I put on pads I put in my 5 years. I didn't start till the 3rd year. There's no such thing as a transfer portal back then it wasn't about me me me. It's about what can I do to make the team better? How do I contribute whether it's on Scout team? Whether it's on a second team, whatever I have to do back then I'm going to do it and you know, my career went well, but I think the fact that is not having this issue players having this attitude about what's in it for me is The Testament? I understand it's a testament to you know, doctor Crow. It's also a testament to Jean Boyd. Yeah. It's a term Edward all the people in that job. Yeah, Kevin many filled in all these guys and you know many and Jeep plated. They're they're Legends in the they did their old-school Devil's man and and they bring that mentality that our building where I'm proud as hell of our kids that they're not there by the way. Yeah. I know you have to get that. That's right. It's happening with our our trip and I I have to bring something up before we we've got a couple of minutes here one, but do you remember the spring of ninety-six Spring ball when when Bill Clinton was campaigning for re-election and he came through and you spoke, you know, like I think you introduced him you talk about guys being humbled and well, you know well grounded after after one did that and he came to practice in the meeting room, How much is the guys teased you about that? Oh God, they were it was during the season during the season if you ever was before the that's right, and you know, I got birth. Thursday were just in shorts at home. I got rats. They made him president president president burrito. And I mean, I was paid off, president of the United States off head because he knew whatever he did those guys were going to bring it back down to earth regardless. So he I do after after that and Bill Clinton mentioned about playing line for him off the electric. I knew I was in for it. When I I already do, you know, what's up with such a family atmosphere and these guys all looked out for each other they you know, and did it right and and you know, it's it's a it's a blessing to be Associated, you know, even with whatever small part that I'm There, you know which was obviously very small but to be associated with it and to to to a blessing and a curse to be associated with a great team in nineteen ninety six, but all of a curse because they haven't really done it since then, right? You know, we're hoping with her will be with the harm train. We're going to do it guys. I'm confident. We got the right guy. It's just a matter of just got to get him back on the field then but we do it safely. We got to do it smartly. We have to get behind the decisions. It's not just not get discouraged and start crap it on the administration and crap it on the couches and and and you know, make it a negative. It's player safety bad and they're going to get error on the side of player safety every time and in the end it comes down to the kids and protecting our kids and making sure they're not exposed to something. So if it means they're going to lock it down guys, they're going to lock it down and you know what life has in our words and our first that's it on social media posts and people getting all email about it. They're going to speak to damn thing. Let's just take it. Thank you. That's it. Thank you so much. All Americans Sun Devil All-American Dog. All right guys brother of mine and we totally backed this admin at ASU head football coach Herm Edwards the rest of the administrative staff and the players James. What do we have coming up next? Thank you wanna come down to visit with Kelsey Dickerson a friend of ours from the Arizona Humane Society. She's going to update some events going on over there. So stay tuned. We got one more segment for you here on a Saturday morning. 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Let's get it off. SB Nation radio is now a sports map radio keeping Sports content fresh and fun. Join us right here on am 1060 song Welcome Back to the dreaming more snow a little Survivor this morning event. That was a great choice this week. One of my favorite movies was Mall Cop. Remember Paul Blart? Oh, yes. Yeah. It was a big one in anyway. So yeah, just all right off where they're in the the bar and they're singing the karaoke one of the funniest things you'll ever say is great. Great love Kevin outstanding stuff. We're pleased to be joined. Once again now by Kelsey Grammer of the Arizona Humane Society. She's been out with us a number of times Kelsey. So great to have you back. How are you doing? Oh my goodness. Thank you so much for having me and being such a great advocate for our pets. I'm doing well. How are you guys doing we're doing What is plugging away? Yeah, go ahead. I'm sorry. Don't go ahead tell us about some of the stuff going on at the Arizona Humane Society. I know you guys have a special edition of pets on Parade coming up very shortly on three TV box honest. Yeah, we are so excited. So we haven't been able to be in studio, of course because of Clovis. So we are taping our very own 30-minute special that is going to air on August 29th at 12:30 on three TV at all to help raise awareness and raise funds for Urgent summer fund. This is going to be such a great and inspirational, you know show just full of the stories that our community has been able to allow us to do, you know, the tests that we saved the people that we've helped and all the stuff that we've been able to keep in homes and just so many great things like that. So we hope everyone can put it into their calendar August 29th on three TV at 12:30 just super excited. It's been a long time since I've done a real show. I'm just really excited to be able to get our pets out there Kelsey. We're now due to this pandemic obviously wage. Four people have had to stay home. Are you seeing fewer animals coming in as a result of this or has it been the same in terms of numbers? And and what's going on with the actual adoptions? Yeah. It's been about the same in numbers, you know, the summer months are our busiest time of the year for emergency animal medical technicians and are cruelty investigators. We've also I had a higher volume of calls coming in for a pet Resource Center. So, you know people out there who are maybe losing their jobs or getting furloughed for needing some resources. So that's exactly what we're there for. We're there to try to help prevent pets from coming in from a shelter in the first place finding alternatives for them. Whether it's you know, a month of free food or finding them pet friendly housing or whatever they may need. But of course if I ever get to that point where they have to relinquish their pet to us or through there for them. So we've definitely seen about the same amount of pets but adoptions have been absolutely amazing. So we've had to consolidate all of our adoptions through one campus that are yep. Her compassion and we've had to alternate to our virtual meth-making adoptions by appointment and we're adopting out about 80% of the volume of tests that we have moved normally with for a low season. So the community has has been absolutely incredible and helping to save the sick injured and abuse pets and we just could not be happier with this model. And if anyone's out there should be like, oh maybe I want to adopt her. I want to Foster we have about 65 appointments for adoptions per day. So we have a lot of openings for you out there and we have a lot of pets in need of their forever homes Chelsea. Obviously you guys are having to keep the adoption events that you guys are known for in a virtual space for right now. But do you foresee anything happening in person down the line? Are there any talks about things kind of maybe opening up in your world? They're off. Yeah, I mean it's really hard to tell you know, we're just really trying to base it off of the information that we're given and we're trying to be as safe as possible not only for our staff and our pets but for the community as well so off we foresee this virtual matchmaking adoption By Appointment happening for a long time, especially because it's been so successful, you know, so we're just kind of talking through some things that we can keep during covid-19 things are going to happen post so bad but one thing that we have been able to do is that we've been able to start doing in-home Behavior appointment. So in addition to our virtual training appointments with our pet Behavior specialist as well as our pet trainers, if you're comfortable having one of our stuff come into your home, of course if we're going to mask up anyone that goes into the shelter gets their temperature taken each and every morning time being as safe as possible. So if you guys need in-home help, we're also offering that as well now right now so you can always get more information at a Humane and then of course are dead. Clinics have been opened up even more now. So our Sunnyslope campus is open for for curbside appointments for spay and neuter. So if anyone out there needs their pets to be spayed or neutered and then ourselves on public Lounge is open 7 days a week. So we're really expanded our ways that we're able to help the community and help to test the safe as possible especially during these triple-digit temperatures Chelsea speaking on the topic of triple-digit temperatures. What kind of advice can you pass along to to help facilitate responsible pet ownership during Times Like These? Oh my goodness. So first and foremost is make sure that you guys are never leaving pets or kids in a car. It can take just a few minutes for the temperatures to reach really badly the results. We've already seen, you know, some pretty horrific cases already this year. So never do that sort, of course, you know for your pets make sure that you're waiting til really early in the morning or really late at night to take your pets out for walks. If you do have to take them out during the day make sure that you have booties plenty of fresh cool water and that they're not dead. Opposed to this key as long as you know, maybe that you think they might be able to drink other times of the year, of course always making sure that they have fresh water cool water inside and outside as well as ventilated stayed home and just bringing your pets inside, you know, they can't ventilate themselves like weekend. They can't cool down the same way that people can so these hot temperatures can really get them in heat distress really quickly and they can't tell us that they're not feeling good. You know, like these pets are going to be out there and they're just going to be doing their thing until it's too late to see what are some of the the questions or maybe some of the qualifying questions. If you will when you're young you're having a virtual meeting for a prospective adoptive family for one of the pets to make sure that that it's a right fit for everybody. Of course, you know, our adoption counselors are so amazing. And so I just knew process you can go online at the Humane the art classes up see if there's any pets that catch your eye, of course, you know, you can make an appointment and then within about 24 hours of your appointment one of our adoptions birth. There is going to call you if you selected a pet that you're interested in meeting specifically they're going to call you tell you about their medical history tell you about their behavior. Maybe what the ideal home situation for them. If that pens already been adopted. They're going to let you know that as well. So then that way you have that in your mind is like, okay. Well then maybe there's a pet or do that. I want to meet instead. So what we really try to do with this whole process is make sure I am not only are we setting up our pets for success but also our adoptions are our potential adopters as well. And what is so great. Is that because we've been doing this we've actually had fewer returns back to the shelter which is just so amazing. We have a 100% adoption guarantees the weather tomorrow or in ten years. If something happens when you have to bring your pets out your pet back, we will bring them back into the shelter, you know to help them their forever home that they need but it's just been so great. And I think that if we can do that with kids too. Oh did I say that, you know dead? Oh boy. Okay. Thank you so much again for joining us. We really appreciate you always come out here on the JV Sports show everyone. Don't forget Saturday, August 28th at 12:30 p.m. On three TV a special edition of pets on parade and we're looking forward to it as well Kelsey. So it's going to be a great one. Thanks again for joining us and we appreciate everything you do for the animals here in Arizona. Well, thank you suck without you guys. All right, that's great. So anyway, so Kelsey Dickerson fun stuff. 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Happy New Year! January 9th, 2021

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Happy New Year! January 9th, 2021

"This program is paid for by the jv sports llc and its partners. You're listening to the jv sport show poem of arizona's high-school cuco and a ncaa sports and you right here on am ten sixty k. d. u. s. arizona and now the. Jv sports show good morning. Ladies and gentlemen welcome to the sports. Show vince lee. She'll hear your humble and gracious host so happy. You can join us this morning. Happy twenty twenty one. You guys miss me man. What a few weeks. It's been Took a couple of weeks off and and we're back to pure and utter pandemonium and we're so happy that That you can join us. That things aren't bad out there. Things aren't that bad. I should say Happy you can join us this morning. as i said Jv sports show here on am ten sixty katie. Us your weekly source of high school college community events and more and try to make this show as interactive as possible Appreciate you joining us. This morning i know there is a lot going on. Obviously both nationally internationally and locally don't want to spend too much time on it on the front end of the show because we've got a very special guest joining us. This morning a guy i grew up idolizing and still to this day is is the benchmark in the standard in the in broadcast and sports broadcasting and just an all around good guy gentleman's name that is joining us right. Now is mr jeff. Good morning jeff. Good morning how are you. I'm doing great sir. I you know what as i said. You're you're a. You're the benchmark for for sports broadcasting and and you've done it all you've seen it all So happy you can join us here to in our first show back in twenty twenty one and wanted to talk to you about a couple of things i You know you are the The broadcaster for the asu women's basketball team and i know that That the team right now sitting at three and three and conference Seven three overall. You're six in the pac twelve but you had a couple of games scheduled. Now you've got a couple of days off due to Couvet you're on your way up to washington What's going on with the team. Well not much because the the the game scheduled this weekend were postponed. They do use the word postponed. There is hope that the games can be rescheduled and i. We're just kind of a point vince. Where a at least for me as as the broadcaster. We'll just play when they tell us we can play and the you know the team wants to play. We had a game last. Friday with cal was supposed to start at three in the afternoon and through a series of issues related testing. We couldn't play until six. Thirty and charlie turner horn told us afterwards that the team was ready to play at anytime she said. Well what if we have to wait till eight o'clock at night and they said no problem. We wanna play so right now this weekend. We're just very much in a holding pattern And we're scheduled to play again next friday at home against oregon state and hopefully that'll be the case. That's literally kind of where we're at at the ball. Well let's talk about the team specifically in in some of the role players on this team. So many i looked up and down that roster and and the big three that stand out are a junior named taya hanson a freshman adjacent simmons in a sophomore ebony walker tells a little bit about each of them. I know taya had a record breaking game last week with threes. Yeah she tied the school record for threes with with seven. she's she's in her junior year and is one of these players at. She's played a lot of international competitions in fiba tournaments. She's a tremendously talented outside shooter. And she really just hasn't had the opportunity until this year to get on the floor for extended minutes. She did start a little bit last year but we were waiting for the kind of of stretch of gains that she's had recently especially last weekend Against the bay area schools she She tied the school record. With the seventy. Three's on friday and then came back and hit five more against stanford on sunday and this is her game. She's a great outside shooter. The other thing that's been impressive about her this year's rebounding it's she's been a terrific rebounding especially the defensive end. Jason simmons is a freshman from green bay. Who plays you. She's one of those players that you watch her play. And then you have to go back and look at the roster and say okay. She is a freshman right. She has great poise very mature for considering her her inexperience of very good free throw. Shooter gets to the line quite a bit. And because of that high percentage she makes teams pay ebony walker is a sophomore forward from las vegas who has just been a rock solid consistent. Rebounder the she do. She's a type of player that most nights you're gonna look at the stats sheet. Find that she's got ten points. Nine boards you know reminds me a lot of soapy brunner in that regard. The thing that The interesting thing off the court about ebony is is she loves to work on cars and she's a huge nascar fan and her. She told me last year that after graduation pit crew and so she's she's really exceptional and all the student athletes in our program are exceptional off the court as well as on the court but those three in particular have been really the they've been the foundation of Of the team so far this year so in talking about exceptional. You know coach. Charlie turner thorne. I mean twenty five years plus at asu. I'm sure she's seen in done at all. How is she been handling this things that have been beyond her control with regard to you. Know the the environment out there pence. I'll be honest with you. I think she's doing her best coaching job ever this year. And you know she's obviously had a lot of great years at arizona state but when you think about all the she's had to deal with the pandemic and look at this roster to She's had to completely rebuild the back court walker as a returner hanson's returner. But then after that you look around. And even the sophomores. The other sophomores. Who are back. Didn't play much last year so she's had a very young roster to work with and just consider this for a minute. They have lost three games all three games. Where the teams ranked in the top ten stanford and ucla. We're games decided by six thousand eight points respectively I was able to go to tucson and do the game there in early december and they got it was not a fun experience. Arezzo one going away but this team has improved so much in the last month. And i attribute that to charlie or staff bringing this young team along i vince. I think you know it takes a lot of territory to say. She's doing her best coaching ever now. But i don't mind going out on that limb. I really think she took an incredible job with a young team under some really adverse circumstances joined by the voice of asu women's basketball and so much. More mr jeff mon- jeff built in. I know that that your little hard pressed for time. The last thing i wanted to ask you about was last week The the valley lost a a an icon former player. Former coach paul westfall and you having covered the sons for years and been around the game. What can you tell me about about the loss of this magnitude. It is it it takes up a great deal. I mean it. Because i think for guys my age. It's just a piece. You're younger life taken away the thing and i it's funny. I didn't really think about this. Until i read some of the other people on social media talking about paul and then i thought you know you're right. A lot of people pointed out. How just down to earth. Paul was but he never looked down at anyone and in an industry and in a in a rena so to speak where your ego can run amok. He never. it was never about ego with him. And that's the thing that i think he doesn't get a lot of credit for it very smart basketball mind. Everybody talks about The famous triple overtime game in the seventy s six finals. When he took a time out he did have but it essentially Kept the sons alive in that game. And that just gave you little indicator as to his smarts He was the perfect guy to coach that son's team at that time because they didn't need a very forceful hand. I i'll tell you this. I i Quite what pulled it for the sons. To what bob brenly meant to the d-box when he took over as manager they didn't need a strict disciplinarian was a veteran team. And it was the same thing with paul. He had a lot of trust in the players and obviously for good reason and he just he knew how to guide them along with a gentle hand. He was perfect for that team. And and the other thing that's impressive about him fences that after he left the sun he went on to coach and a couple other places and had success in other places as well coach seattle. The playoffs So this wasn't just a matter of him right place right time he. He was one in any. I championship at grand canyon. So the man new is basketball. He was is decent. Human being is as you'd ever want to know as i said never looked down at anybody just genuinely good solve your person. And that's that's the part that hurts well in in the tail end of paul's playing career. I was in grade school. And i remember him as being just not a flashy guy just got it done and he was an all star and he played twelve years in the league but as a coach. My greatest memory of paul westfall was in that in in the playoffs. When they played the lakers in the first round they were down to. Oh and the best of five series and he came back on in the media and said we will win three straight and win the series against the lakers. And i said no way and they did and they went to the finals. Yeah i you know it's funny bats series Of i if i've got him in a little story sure sure. A lot of people remember that year. The john paxson shot in the finals. Well okay so the suns lose the first two games now. They go to la for to the third game. If i recall was a very back and forth game and it went down to the wire but the sun's obviously one and then i think they wanna blow out a game for game. Five comes back. Sunday afternoon at the arena. And we're in another Nip and tuck battle at the lakers. They have the game is tied. They have the ball at the end and they ran a play that the sons defendant almost similarly to the john paxson play. Where's danny ainge. Was supposed to guard byron scott and went off of him to double somebody else. It might have been sedated. Three james worthy and it left scott open for a three now. Stott was literally. I was on a line was gone as he let go of the shot and it was at the buzzer when he let go the shot. Then i thought it was in. And i thought oh my gosh. We're going to lose the series and it hits the back of the room and came out. But i that's as close as i've come to swallowing my tongue in my life that i it was and again if you go and look at the play on youtube it's available on. Youtube is on same way. Where danny went off a buyer. But i that was yeah. You're right westphal's guarantees thing and he had competence and what he was saying wasn't perfect. Oh boy we'll valley. Sports icon jeff of currently the voice of asu women's basketball jeff. Thanks so much. Happy twenty Twenty twenty one. Thanks for joining us. Look forward to talking to you. Again and sun devils. That was Jeff mon- What a way to start off our first show of twenty twenty one so thanks so much for joining a stick around. We'll be back with a new partner. The ny fca. Jason jason hirsh and michael nemeth will be right back. Thanks for joining us on the. Jv sport show go. Jv fall sports as you. Listen to james and vince on the sports show saturdays from nine to ten. Am your am sixty. Hi this is camille. Nesbitt wife of head football coach. Mike nesbitt of ou easy spirit football team and you are listening to the jv sports. Show vince here to talk about angel dentistry. Angel dentistry is where my wife. And i have gone for the past ten years and can't think of going anywhere else. Dr amber angel is narrow zona native born in the town of miami and practiced in the valley. Nearly twenty years dr angel inter staff strive to provide excellent customer service. From the moment you call the office to the time you leave with a smile from general de comprehensive dental services call six zero two seven eight eight two thousand and eight and ask about the. 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We're moving this show right along things going on start off her first segment ear ringing in two thousand twenty one with jeff mon- veteran broadcaster of been all over and covered a lot of things and reflected a little bit on not only asu women's basketball the voice of the sun devils but also a little bit about Paul westphal former coaches assange former player. Who recently passed away passed away last week. The age of seventy joining us online first of all like to ring in the new year with a broadcaster a good friend derrick derrick. Good morning sir. Good morning then sour you home okay. Derek is a. He's he's a great friend. He's a great to a broadcaster and derek worked some games during football season together and and Go back a few years and Willa will have derek join us and looking forward to doing some things this year Derek we are bringing on from the national youth football and cheer association. We've got a new partnership with. Jv show this spring and winner really excited about it because as you know we are not only Covering high school covering small college covering major college athletics we cover a community activities as well and we really liked to support our young people as much as we can. Here and joining us from the n. y. ca. We have jason. Hirsh and joey laroque gentlemen. Good morning good morning the more we got orders there so let. Let's talk about the ny fca and i'd like to start off with the ceo. With joey. joey. Tell a little bit about the organization. Yeah so there's a couple of different things that were doing which is really exciting. Michael nemeth new Obviously here With jason are really spearheading. be Four contact or the tackle world. Whereas i'm kind of spearheading the non-contact world with Flag football seven on seven in this new concept called flex which is like an off season Port tackle kids. And then michael wanna you kind of give a little high level of the on. And then i'll dig into the non non contact stuff. Sure thing jason is my my. My commissioner. Are our mif ca commissioner. He's been working really really hard to together. A brand new tackle product attack league That can bring in What we do best Which is is organization Transparency bringing the product to work brunt of of the football world. So when you when when the when the team signed up when our players sign up what they're going to get they're going to get it scheduled. They're going to get everything they need. So that's what we do. I've been doing for ten years in the non contact appear in north scottsdale and That's what we're going to bring the tackle. But i'm gonna let jason talk about all the particulars he's He's been in on the tip of the spear for and jason great. Thanks michael So you just to talk a little out Why we thought arizona would be a perfect market the launch arizona's vastly become. I mean you know football central around around the country And the competition here in arizona in flag and seconds and tackles always elevating community of of coaches and volunteers. There's so much hard work that our community puts into developing our young athletes that i've been coaching over eighteen seasons and flag three seasons and tackle head coaching. You know a a number of years. And i felt that there needed were need in arizona for a predictable reliable efficient platform to highlight all this hard work that these parents players coaches but in and hundreds of hours in time that they dedicate they can now when they show up for the game. There's an expectation of a high school field turf. Bleachers scoreboard Possibly announcers invented. This is reunion coming. We have some great things to announce it. Ymca tv and live streaming of our game but to really deliver. Something organized highly efficient. The most important thing. That ev that we wanna stress. Is that coaches can just coach and they can just play football. We want to take the advent and the operational stress all of that off their plate so they can come to work every saturday and sunday during season and get the job done. And that's what we're going to be about. And that's what we're going to execute on so really really excited team up and the opportunity that Michael spearheaded what joe is doing. Not only era zone but across the country which he'll share this. This group is super powerful. Very very reliable to football people and i'm grateful for the opportunity part of such a great team and organization. That's what we're looking to do. Jason thank you so much and then one of the biggest parts of this whole thing was we raised a tremendous amount of capital to really tech enable the us sports industry. And you know if you look at traditionally what's out there it volunteers that are you know giving time like just discussed but they really don't have the ability to really invest in infrastructure and technology and so one of our pieces. Our thesis was that if we could bring technology to the industry we could let all of the rest wrath coaches coach operators operate. We have the ability to do that. Now are big launch happening On our back end whole infrastructure launches on january fourteen. So that's You know really taking a real analog business In really turning it into a technical businesses are number one competency then on the offseason non-contact world our goal to support football. And if we we feel that if we do this right we can get kids from the time they are five years old playing introductory flag football and we can have them playing in our organization and really Progressing them as football players. All the way till they're you know seniors in high school by providing offseason programs Really develop developing all of our kids and players with clinics and academies and things of this nature. so we're excited You know to align the non contact world with the tapa world. I think it's it has never been done before. And we're excited to launch this thing Going into the spring season for the first time in the history of football. So we're excited about everything that's happened in works out about the partnership here in arizona. Guys i wanted to say something here really quick and i appreciate the summary. There is a lot of excitement surrounding this new league and the number of families at this potentially can touch and in the jv sport show is just excited to be a part of this as well. So what we are planning on doing for all you folks at home. Jv scorpio show is going to be broadcasting. Some football came this winter and spring for the ny fca a. We'll be doing some coverage for you guys Some of our youtube programming will be devoted to to Presenting information about the league getting to know the league and really doing it the right way. How many families do you expect to touch here. In arizona adjusted or non contact world alone like we are right about nineteen thousand players in phoenix alone and then we have obviously a tucson branches. Well so in our non contact side of things we expect about twenty five thousand. And then you know jason michael. What do you think on the on the tackle side of things i get. We're gonna go ahead go ahead. Michael did it so Right now i mean. We're we're really focused on the number key division. You know we're looking at the seven and eight year division but we in the interests of six fine and ten The older divisions are great divisions. Were obviously look at that as well but again with joey saying you know we want to create that that opportunity for kids from start to finish so a real focus on on these younger division But if we have you know eighteen in each division that sixteen one hundred hundred sixty kids multiple family. I mean it is upward from spring. To fall we can be in the same number of twenty twenty five thousand. I mean potentially you know working with over fifty thousand people here in arizona love. The goal is to get this spring season off and they could just fantastic fantastic experience for all of our inaugural are always In that's why keeping a little smaller smaller tackle. Obviously it will always gonna hit this thing that hit the hit it out of the park and making a great experience for all of our our early adopters. Yeah i'm glad you said that. Michael vince something. A lot of the coaches you know. That spreads the talk over one hundred fifty coach carrying arizona last month. You know competitions very important There's been other leagues than have come into arizona sales So really delivering on what we say. We're going to do executing quantity versus quality when it comes to the tackle program. There's so much involved and You know as michael said you know really getting this right for the community and working through the process. You know to build this week for sure guys from a facilities standpoint looking at your website. I that your plan is to play at a high school stadiums. And obviously there's plenty of those here in the state of arizona but one thing i was really impressed with one other partnership you have is with legacy sports. Usa and apart that they're getting set to build out in mesa looks gargantuan. If you could speak a little bit about that partnership that you have legacy sports jumping on that one. Sure thank you. I'm glad you brought that up and It's all the guys that legacy it's going to be phenomenal The three hundred and twenty acres. They've raised about three hundred million dollars to build this international Facility basically and goals are amazing. It's every sport that you can do out there. We're we're going to be running. We're gonna be running football down there Are championship games will be played there because we couldn't exclusive deal for football with them for five years. I believe it is joey right. We're not partnership there. You go so. We really excited and can't wait for them to get it done supposed to be done in december if this year so we'll get to count on january twenty twenty two to start our stuff on there. We'll be doing everything down. They're not just doing. All of our narcotic over non context products as well gentlemen contact information. How families get a hold of you out. Yeah well as far as tackle they can email. Hq at ny fda dot com they myself create dot com and making all visit our website at www. And i ask the a any inquiry immediately and you can also see us on our facebook. Instagram and Twitter pages any type of real time updates coming and all of those are at nyu fda dot com ny fda while awesome. Thank you so much michael name. Jason verse salute association new partner of the jv sports show looking forward to cover. New is we are. This thing is going to blow up. It's going to be exciting. We'll be back join us for more. Jv sports show with so worl. Highschool hit-men boys basketball coach. Lucas ramirez will be back bringing you the latest sports topics. Weekly right here on katie. Us am ten sixty with me. The dog show one to three. Pm hello this is kelsey dickerson from the arizona society and you're listening to the. Jv sports show. Hey all you business owners. Vince here from the jv sport show. Are you a fan of junior college and small college. 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Half is show already done dairy gone fast. Reuven so slash. We prepared a little intro for our our next segment that we're going to be doing pretty regularly do you have that cute up Okay all right. Well it's It it the our next guest and Sorry were you know. Be alive radio here. We are kind of going and And we're gonna move right along here into the suara sports report Got to tell you a little story so in the offseason we got in contact with some coaches and decided that as a broadcast team we wanted to focus on on a few schools covering basketball this winter and into the spring and in one program that really stood out for us was so worrell high-school and obviously for what they do in football everybody knows so worrell here six I think ten now state championships in football six Six under a current head football coach chased mons and the other sports rallying around ad and and growing. And you got you know. Usually you've got a great formula when you've got a real progressive athletic director in a guy named matt harris great guy and a brand new Energetic young Head basketball coach in lucas ramirez. And they wanted to get out there and do some things and so we decided to partner up and and present so aro. Athletics focusing on the boys basketball program. we're all set to do a couple of games this This winter and then yesterday happen. Unfortunately with the aia deciding do metrics being where they are to postpone the winter season but we are following through full bore in covering so athletics and we want to bring on The brand new head boys basketball coach swirl high school in scottsdale lucas ramirez coach ramirez. Good morning sir. Good morning how you doing. Thank that was a long winded introduction. Sorry about that but You know little frustrating. The day before everything happened yesterday we had inked a deal to broadcast some games for you guys in. You know we're still excited to partner up but tell us a little bit about solaro. Oh man where to begin. I mean just phenomenal place. It starts at the top. We have a phenomenal. I boy and bigger You know her vision or leadership or guidance. sets the tone for everything we do within our community And then honestly our our entire administration katie paying dan milligan director mattress. You already mentioned You know they just are are about kids and you don't see that all the time in school administration let's be honest So it phenomenal to be a part of the their vision their leadership And then you know at the school You know we have phenomenal academic programs. You know you have opportunities to Take doing role. Classes phenomenal matt. New math and science academy And then you know athletically. You've already said it yourself you know. Football speaks very self already. You know coach monse nominal job and and on top of that too. We have phenomenal coaches and leaders all throughout our athletic department. A great place to be coach. If you could take us through the events of yesterday were you able to be with your team at all. Did you have a conference call with them. Outed how did it go after the news was released Yeah it was kind of a whirlwind. Were teaching me I part of the day you know we were in our classes. Kids were online taking taking classes. And you know we could hear the development as the board was meeting in in voting and then As soon as the news kind of broke you know we had plans to practice. Probably hour and a half after that But you know before we could even get to inform the kids obviously the way the world is today. Everyone finds out beforehand. You know you got kids calling and texting parents calling texting email and So tough i mean we still brought guys in and you know we had a had a tough conversation and you know it's kinda hard to even find the words now It was hard to find the words then but you tell them one you love them you care about the you support them. We're gonna figure this out whatever that next step is So we did that. We all three of our level You know we were able meet in person with our varsity and gave teams and then you know we met via zoom with our freshman team along with their respective coaches And and we just had to had to be there for them you know and you know that was the biggest thing was just being there for them supporting them coach. What now i mean. Obviously a lot happened yesterday. You guys are working around the clock to to try to figure something out. I you know are you. Are you able to practice are you. What type of workouts are you doing if anything but as of right. Now we're gonna respect the pas or or decision you know by the way and and you know by our school district And we've gotta figure out and evaluate what what next you know. It's been so fresh and hasn't been twenty four hours as we know covert world. I think we're used to hearing the word fluid And things change quickly. If if i see one more email that says that you know if i had a dollar for every time i thought you know that said fluid or things change quickly I think we'd all be pretty rich but but no i mean all jokes aside You know less than twenty four hours and and I i am optimistic You know potentially here. The next couple of days things could change And then it not. I know they're stakeholders in place to get things going where there will be games being played. I mean i'll tell you that much But but i am optimistic. Though that there is room for change there is room for you. Know things to Develop you in the next twenty. Four forty eight seventy two hours while obviously we. We are hopeful and we want to stay positive about everything and hope that these kids get a chance to get out on the hardwood I'm sure it was difficult enough. Last season in the spring season with senior seeing their spring seasons come to an abrupt end. Have you even thought about the so fresh but having that discussion with seniors if they're not able to get on the hardwood one more time. Yeah shoot guys. I have i twelve senior varsity roster which is really rare and i'm really fortunate to have those twelve young men I mean the look and there is set it all yesterday. The the emotions in the gym. Set it all yesterday and You know no matter what the outcome is or what the next few days hold or whatever it is we're gonna find a way to to to pay the due respect the seniors who put in three years and actually quite frankly more than three years of their life dedicated to athletics and the competitive environment And we're going to give them their due diligence there respect that they deserve and again. You know we're going to those through every avenue and see what can be done to get back games coach. Talk to a little bit about a couple of these couple of these young people Spotlight a few of them that That you're expecting big things from this season. Yeah well first and foremost I really like how. How deep our team is. I think there's not just one or two guys that really stand out. I think we have a real collected group of guys that can do some stuff You know i started off. Caleb simpson multisport athlete Here tomorrow baseball You can imagine how you he lost baseball season last year And now going through this right now. but tremendous athlete long. You know get things done on both ends before It's really good athlete. Rick kids you know. We've got a kid. Returning that robust. Dr has played three years in the program returning canadian defender. No high energy guy Work by and donovan. Thomason translate and desert vista as a football guy. You know he's been through this already once before he's dealt with the kobe you know on the football side of things. We have seasons being cut short and again. Just great kid. You know super good athlete up playing college football somewhere But you know he shoot the ball really well. He's a great leader. Hi he's smart But you know again. I can go down the entire list and take up the rest of your show talking. Probably ever did not appropriate but there is a couple of guys. They're young coach. Obviously of a lot of veteran leadership on this team leading up to the events from yesterday how the off season workouts been going. How was practice going. And and what were you seen outta this team. Was that chemistry really building. Yeah without a doubt. I mean i think we were. You know. Every district was in a different position based on the way their leadership. Self you know. They should go about their workouts. Since we took over in march you know we were able to be in the gym. Maybe a couple of weeks in jeered And even then we had pretty big protocols in place We couldn't get too much done then. We were on a pause though september and then we hit the ground running and late. september We were out on the track doing conditioning doing skill workouts every day. And then kind of phasing into some you know five on five and implementing things but now i mean it's been great kids. Were kids were bub. Buying in they were showing up every day working hard. You know in in doing the right thing. Then i think they were gelling together as a team and You know that's the that's the fun part of it. All is that process throughout it You love seeing that gross from september all the way through You know present day and night day and it's probably like that forever program. I hope i mean. I hope you're seeing growth out there and you know every coach enjoy seeing that throughout the your you know the next step in that process of being able to play a game and then being a all right. This is what we really need to practice. You know what we really need to adjust to focus on now so again disappointing. But you know kids were gelling. getting kids. Were joining the gym for the most part You know we coach them hard but we love harder and and You know and that's just the way we do things here and and it's been a good experience so far hoping we can find a way to make this happen this year. Big thank you to laura boys basketball coach lucas ramirez coach premieres. Thanks again for joining us coach. We got this central queued up when you hear the introduction. It's time for the salon zero sports report. You're listening to the home of the sawara sabre cats on. Am ten sixty ad us the jv. Sports show good stuff. It makes me want to get out there and play coats. Thanks again for joining us. Derek awesome segments my friend. Thank you for joining us here on the jv sports show. We're three quarters of the way through the show. We'll be back with one row k. And britney boyer hosts of the podcast sun devils worldwide in great friends of thanks again stick around for the final segment. We'll be back on the. Jv sport show. Maybe keady usa am ten. Sixty is the home to the dan. Patrick show the doug gottlieb show and sports map. Radio ernie fifty. This is kenny. Mutual former wide receiver for arizona state university in your listen to the jv sports. 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Good morning guys about the speed of the new stuff though. Okay let's go out and odd. This segment is only about ten minutes log. So we're going to have to. You know. I know you like to talk but we're a little limited on time about forty. Yeah how are you guys. Saw radio their. Oh man. i'm good. I'm doing great. I just called one bluff right there. He does like talk a lot. But you know. I i kinda have the same I ramble. But i think i do it. A little bit more As frequently as wanda so people. Forget that i also rambler so i want to talk about so a couple of things. Obviously we're gonna talk a little bit of asu sports. I wanna talk about your podcast. I wanna talk about all the things that you guys are doing out there you're hustling and and really getting a lot of work. Done getting a lot of it exposure a brit. Let's start with you You know obviously we partnered up at the beginning of football season We had some some things that went on related to everything. That's going on but We're bringing you bag listening to you. Talk about a double whammy. We're all set to bring you back you. We're gonna work basketball with us. It's laurel and then yesterday happen You know you can't get upset when yesterday happens. You know. it's one of those things where it's kind of like i mean yes you're upset but It's impacting thousand student athletes as well. So it's more of like you know. This is like everyone is he leanest. The whole season cancelled. I mean i don't know it's just i don't know if i've even processed it completely yet. Yeah well we have a lot of work to do that. We can do virtually so if if you're willing we're gonna we're gonna tap your expertise here going forward and so what else you've been doing out there What we have done. Worldwide working on I freelance for scorebook live. Which is a new company. That's moving into arizona. They started on the west coast and they're moving east a little bit Less traditional than normal but I do some stuff for them. And i've been freelancing as well for all sports tucson so you know kind of expanding my range of my work. I guess in who. I'm talking to my audience. Yeah so you did a little bit for monday night. Football as well Yeah that was completely just a accidental found my lap so john somebody who i know very well in the sports community and i know a lot of people know him as well He hit me up and just asked me if i happen to be busy that night. 'cause they were looking for extra people and in my in my resume and they brought me on to do lighting and stuff with monday night football so that was an awesome experience to on some for sure and okay and so lawn so one. I've known you now. gosh twenty. Six murder them. Yeah and you know. Obviously all american issue football. We two know each other way back. When when i was working there and You tried your hand. You did a little bit of broadcasting distant commentary for asu football now. you've got this. This gig was sun devils worldwide. Tell us about this well an before. He would go there just lead. We should be thankful that we got brit working with the opportunity. Tell you what she's going to go places in one day you know. Kinda maybe like mike golic. We're going to be able to look when they go. We used to work with her so she she's gonna do some great things in the air. She's just barely starting. So i'm not a developer and that's why i wanted a komo's because the energy and the knowledge and the passion she brings unmatched. Okay it's awesome what she brings to the show now. As far as the weather you know it was the first day there To do about podcast specific about answering football and really the concept of is trying to think of subjects and top talking points. That are a little outside the box things that maybe you're not gonna see on the prominent websites on the on the news networks and things like that and then we can discuss those topics and and bring them to light. You know where we're still. I would say we're still in the in the garage band as of it where i don't think we have a final product of what we're really gonna do so it's fun to do this. You know we different types of discussions topics but as a show you know. Hopefully we're gonna make specifically to. You know the topic that really. No one wants to talk about that. People are not bringing up so that we can bring them up and bring them to light in. And get people g boyd ray anderson to talk about what's going on typically on the culture and in the locker room and in the program in general so speaking of which it gives gives an idea what is going on out there in tempe right now. They didn't go to a bowl game. and we we britain. I will get into you know okay. Why did this happen. Is this something that should should should've taken place just kidding into really the the maybe the fan perspective the alumni perspective you know she has a sports reporter perspective. She has a football fan for over twenty per second. Yeah so we bring all that to light and talk about what's going on and why is it going on and how do we feel about it and maybe how the fan base was still about it so right now as you know. They're preparing events very similar to ninety five. You'll be lost that game at the. It was heartbreaking. And we re and recommitted and we all showed up that january and we're ready to roll and you saw that lead into the nineteen sixties. And so i see a lot of similarities there and i think right now. The state of the program is strong. They just had to do what they had to do for player safety and everyone's just has to kind of take a step back and let it play out and hopefully we'll have a regular season. A real regular student here are they. Are they doing some offseason workouts. Right now i mean is there. Are they pretty heavy in in that. What are they what is going on this very well. From what i understand it's going to be just. So p like we used to. They're going to show up. They're gonna work out. The school starts very soon The nuts and bolts of online classes. And obviously that's not something. I'm involved in but From what i understand. They're coming back and they're coming back this week. So tomorrow the players will start heading back and i believe monday they. They're gonna start. They're gonna rock all. Wow i'm brit How are you feeling about things in tempe. I mean you heard wants perspective there little bit about what kind of keeping your ear to the ground and what you're out there with others. I agree a hundred percent with what one says. My biggest thing is that. I feel like there's a lot of fans on social media. That are running their mouth right now. Just about stupid things you know and that goes for all sports you know. They're talking about the state of the football program there too and two. I mean realistically. It was a four minute meltdown. In the last or the first game against usc in the last four minutes and then you had a ucla game that he had one practice again. So realistically when you look at how they to grow throughout the season they're retaining all these players going into next year there utilizing the nc double as Like allowance of transfers. So you know they're really set up to do great next year and i have so ecstatic for the opportunities that are ahead for the program and also i know that sounds a little selfish but for myself as a journalist to potentially get to cover some of this as they continue to grow And i just can't wait to see what they end up doing. So i have a really good feeling going into this upcoming year and I i kind of hope. Some other people will reevaluate their current mindset and maybe think about some other factors when making their decision on how they feel. So i have to tell you you guys are in the presence of greatness you know last year i got to be the. Pa announcer for the women's lacrosse. Stephen asu and i got my schedule yesterday. Nine games. I'm doing all the games for asu women's lacrosse. I was so ecstatic. F- after the the aia's decision with high school athletics in the winter. I get this email from one of the operations folks for the women's lacrosse team and they said you know you wanna come back and do some games i. They gave me the schedule. I was like yes. I don't care what time the games are when they are only do all the girls. No i say that. Because i want to be on your podcast undoing. I'm working. asu sports you gotta have me on all of my work but you have to do me a favor. You gotta let them know that. I want to get back into asu gymnastics. Tina do sideline reporting for them again this year. So don't let them done all right. 'cause i i'm not going to be big time until i get on. Your podcast added screaming at one for a year. And even my mom who is like juan's biggest fan. It drives me nuts like another. It's like a step brothers part too. I feel like i feel like brennan and dale and in one is derek. The favorite son. And it's driving me crazy because my mom always talks about one row k. On rog brother drives me crazy anyway. So my mom says hello. She's listening right now by the way. So i don't know if you wanna say something to her but of art on most of popular. Anyway i right guys. Thank you so much on kane. Britney boyer sun devils worldwide. Lana is resumes. One in brit speak for themselves a much much longer than justice. This show that you're doing now and look forward to working with you through the winter and into the spring and and Having you back on pleasure. Great and You know talk. It's an honor working with british as well. You know like. I said we're still in that garage band pays. We're trying to put this together the right way but i think it definitely has a future and do you do a great job with. Jv keep up the good work man. Awesome thanks guys okay. Well guys. that was that's another. show man. i. I wanna start off in in twenty twenty one year. You know we do our best to keep it positive. And that's that's the whole idea. We're not we're not doing this thing with rose colored glasses obviously things going on in the world but we want to focus on bringing the best of what's going on in our community and going forward by all means reach out to us hit us up on twitter youtube subscriber youtube channel. Thanks so much to our show partners that's built contracting bob jenkins over their bottom. Dj training better athletes coach. 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13 | JOHN FULLERTON  Founder and President of Capital Institute

SUE Speaks Podcast: Searching for Unity in Everything

59:34 min | 1 year ago

13 | JOHN FULLERTON Founder and President of Capital Institute

"Suzanne takes you down to her face near the rim so the idea for general economics is to simply look to all living systems and understand this regenerative process and how it defines them and the common patterns and principles that define them that exists across all living systems and then the hypothesis is very simple if those living systems are models that have sustained themselves for very long periods of time which by definition is true or we wouldn't be able to study them. They're still here then. Why wouldn't the patterns and principles that describe does need to be the same patterns that describe how the human economy works if it's to sustain itself and when you look at the human economy and contrasted with living systems you see immediately things that are out of line. That was john fullerton. Our guests for today's podcast want to travel with a new want to travel blind. She will trust you. Welcome to the sioux speaks. Podcasts searching for unity in everything i'm your host susanne taylor how can we turn the world around. Can we turn the world around. That's what i talked to my thought shaping guests about in fact everything i've done has been in pursuit of the more beautiful world. Our hearts know is possible. Lead up by that famous quote by margaret. Mead never doubt that a small group of thoughtful committed citizens can change the world indeed. It's the only thing that ever has john. Fullerton is an important person as an escapee from wall street where he was a managing director of j. p. morgan. He's asking the big questions. By capitol institute quote his collaborative working to illuminate how our economy and financial system can operate to promote a more just regenerative and the sustainable way of living on this earth unquote. This is a huge endeavor. A sea change in our conceptual framework for capitalism. He's no longer looking to improve. Investors bottom lines is the be all end. All of what people should do with their money but as his bio says he is searching for path that will lead us beyond our current unsustainable economic system and the finance dominated ideology. That drives it. The change in the economic model is looking to instigate is as big as when we went from believing the world was flat. I'm not in the financial world. So i can't speak authoritatively digest. How unusual it is to find someone who is so significant in it. Who understands the ancient wisdom traditions where we of the living earth and not existing on it to use it and we'll talk to him about the lay of the financial world these days and if others who are as prominent in our as enlightened about the need for what he calls regenerative economics as an alternative conceptual framework for capitalism. But just one more thing to say is how pleasing to me that he steeped in the understandings of previous podcast guests. Brian swim from whom i get my worldview and we'll try to get on a future podcast with john where the economist in the physicists can look at the world as mystics together so they can even more deeply cement the fundamental understandings of the world. We need to move into aligning us with our scientific understanding of how the universe actually works as if we intended our economy to behave like a living system that sustains itself over long periods of time maybe we'll even get another my podcast guests. Joel solomon whose book the clean money. Revolution reinventing power purpose and capitalism is dealing with how we are destroying the planet's ability to support life as we know it and the radical change we need in the modern scheme of economics and finance is john says forms the root cause of our systemic crises. So john as your main story were as you say it quote wisdom demands we source our future prosperity by harnessing the immense potential available if we align our economy with the patterns and principles of living systems. I want you to tell everyone what this region economy that you are. Touting is all about but since we're in the kovin world. Let's start with your thoughts about that. You wrote this. In such times countries. Such as the us have a weapon at their disposal. That's not been used since. Lincoln financed the civil war with greenbacks. Central banks with their own reserve currency have the ability simply print money and spend it into circulation in accordance with modern monetary theory after math being steeped in economic theory. Myself with the sounding so sensible. Is that what we're doing. And is there any other financial advice you have for what the government could be doing now owes end. You've unpacked an awful lot there in a wonderful introduction. So thank you for that and thank you for inviting me on amman or to follow in the footsteps of brian swim whose book he wrote with mary. Tucker who's a close friend of mine journey to the universe Really touched me and spoke to me because it really expanded this idea that i've been wrestling with to extend beyond even humanity and even the the planet earth but to the entire cosmos. It's really extraordinary that there does seem to be these patterns and relationships that extend from the very small to the very very fast so anyways pleasure to be with you. The economic system design itself. As i've tried to express in a writings and in my talks is in irreconcilable conflict with the physical reality of finite planet. You know we have an economic system. That's predicated on exponential growth meaning growing more every year and therefore exponentially growing. One thing to covid crisis has taught all of us is the power of the exponential function and. That's happening just in slow motion with our economy where it's gradually but increasingly every year taking over the fundamental functionality of the biosphere and And that can't along forever and in fact there's all kinds of symptoms that it's in the process of collapsing. Climate change being the one the most noteworthy of many other symptoms. But at the same time we have this need to now not only respond to the economic crisis caused by covid. Obviously there's the health crisis. That is a topic maybe for another day but with that health prices comes in economic crisis and that has acquired that the federal government in the united states has essentially resorted through again printing money to put it in stark blunt terms similar to what happened during the great recession. But on top of that we have another or equally profound crisis. Even if less urgent which is that we need to invest trillions of dollars in the in particular in the energy system transition in the built environment. Greening the built environment and to transform agricultural system. And we need to do all this. In a relatively short period of time meeting call it a decade or two and that requires a of investment capital that in my opinion the private sector on its own will simply not. It will not happen in time and so there. Is this opportunity for the government to marshall this tool which is its ability to create money for the very productive purpose of for example transforming our energy system and probably for participating in transformation of the energy system not just in the united states but around the world particularly in countries that have no substantial capacity to take on such tasks and this is a long complicated conversation about money. I think the key insight but people stephanie. Kelton than and randall wray and others who have developed this idea of modern monetary theory over the last two decades a key insight they raise. Is that the federal government at prince. Us dollars that has a base currency particularly the reserve currency of the world is different than you and we have a household budget. We need to balance our budget or we go bankrupt same for any private corporation. Eventually if it doesn't make money it goes bankrupt while the united states doesn't go bankrupt. The united states can simply create more money to pay off its debts and in fact. That's what it has been doing does do and can continue to do on a scale that is hard to comprehend and i would be the first to say that there are limits to that but when they're such an urgent need as keeping people employed and in the midst of a depression or in the urgent need to transition. The energy system away from fossil fuels. We need to give up this idea that we need to balance the budget or pretend that we need to balance budget and actually do what we know. We need to do in order to avoid a much a much larger problem four. To what extent are we actually doing that. What's the difference between your ideal situation than what we're actually doing while it's a it's a great point you know before kobe hit we would have had a debate in this country. About how much of a deficit we could create with our borrowing to do whatever it is. We choose to do as our priorities. In of course the current administration chose to cut taxes for corporations and wealthy individuals and blew a hole in the budget and there weren't any deficit to say we can't do that and it turns out it didn't hurt didn't hurt us much at all. It made made us more unequal. But it didn't create a you know bout of inflation. Were all the things that the deficit would have suggested what happened. And now that we're in the middle of this crisis. We're running experiment in real time and in fact we are running up. I think we've reached a trillion dollar deficit this year alone and the central bank's balance sheet is expanding so the central bank is essentially monetize ing this increased debt and. We're proving that this is a viable tool in real time experiment. The thing i would wanna see happen differently. As rather than central banks simply buying bonds in the capital markets to support the capital markets. You know think of it. As instead of buying mortgage bonds that keep the financing costs for housing low. We need to be buying the loans and bonds that are being used to finance the transition to renewable energy on a scale that is measured in trillions. you know. The experts have said we need to invest two trillion a year for the next twenty years to finance the energy transition off fossil fuels onto renewables. And so some roles were the you know the the largest government financing vehicle in the world. Which is the us central bank. There needs to be a role for that may not be as simple as just buying bonds. It made me financing new development banks. Creating the equity in banks can do the projects dance. We done it is more complicated than simply buying bonds but the point is we need to let go of this idea that we have a deficit and we need to balance the budget when we have a literally life or death for the face of humanity issue facing us right in the face. And if we don't deal with that whether we have inflation or not won't matter because we will have much bigger problems to deal with so just as we decided win. Kobe hit that we needed to finance unemployment in an unprecedented way i would argue. We need to finance the energy transition and the agriculture transition and the transition of our transportation systems and our built environment. You know the buildings are making them more energy efficient. all of that is of equal. Urgency is just happening on a slower pace and so we don't see it as as urgent but in the scheme of the long run. It's absolutely urgent. Site were were decades late and we'd better catch up. Is this a place where you should tell listeners. About this regenerative idea that is fundamental principle that you're working on and i'm still not certain like if we get biden or democratic president. Will they be on the side of what you're talking about or is it going to still be a struggle so the answer is this. Is this sits above the kind of political conservative republican ideas verses liberal democratic ideas. It's totally apart from the current environment of politics. Which is this very divisive. Trumpism versus non trumpism. You know the truth. Is that our communist economic system. Our socialist economic systems and our capitalist economic system all bill their path to press parody on the idea of exponential growth and so unfortunately all of them are equally flawed. All of them. We could debate for the last hundred years about which one creates more prosperity for humanity. Which ones fair which was good. Which one's bad but all of them sourced prosperity through the continuous and ms is critical exponential increase in the extraction of natural resources from the planet. Perhaps the extraction of human resources for mark humanity depending on your But irrespective of the human aspect. It is the continual expansion of the what what the technical term people uses ecological footprint of the economy on this planet and unfortunately the planet's not growing so you know the easier to see this with the fisheries or with a forest. You know you can cut down. Ten trees out of a forest doesn't matter you can cut down a hundred trees from big forest and it doesn't matter but at some point you cut down a few more trees and you don't have a forest and so the the plan to cut down. Some trees to burn for firework is a great plan when you have massive forest and a very small population but eventually that plan is simply not viable. And that's you know same thing with fisheries and unfortunately that's a metaphor for our tired economic system which has a footprint or a has throughput of materials and energy coming into the system and getting put out of the system as waste and the one. That's really in the news now. In our in our face everyday with climate change is the waste stream which we call a co two emissions and the atmosphere has filled up with our waste and can't handle any more anymore. A river that gets totally polluted can take any more pollution so it doesn't matter what your political beliefs are your ideology is. This is physics. This is good old fashioned physics and unfortunately therefore it's not about what biden thanks or what trump thinks or what any fence because from my vantage point. They're all still trapped even the green new deal which is much closer to my thinking on. Not because it's socialists. But because it has the right priorities but it's still trapped in this false idea that we can grow ourselves to prosperity the idea of a regenerative economy. Is you know. Regeneration is a process. We're having this conversation because your body in my body or living systems and they stay alive because they regenerate themselves literally physically at a cellular level. We're in constant regeneration that turns out to be true not just for our bodies or for any living system bigger small from tiny little bugs to entire ecosystems like amazon forest and it turns out brian. Swim would tell you that it's true at a cosmic level. Although i couldn't explain that or defend that but this idea of this regenerative process. It's almost like a continual motion machine where we expand we create more abundance from the abundance. We have but it doesn't mean it gets physically bigger. it means we were abundant. So you know. Take your body again your body. My body anybody's body. You know we grow exponentially through our childhood and into adolescence but then hopefully we begin to develop in non-physical way. We develop intellectually develop spiritually. We developed our interests are creativity but our physical bodies. Stop growing at some point. But that doesn't mean there are potential is stops. When physical body stop so the idea regenerate economics is to simply look to all living systems and understand this regenerative process and how it defines them and the common patterns and principles that define them that exists across all living systems and then the hypothesis is very simple if those living systems are models that have sustained themselves for very long periods of time which by definition is true or we wouldn't be able to study them. They're still here then. Why wouldn't the patterns in principles that describe those need to be the same patterns that describe how the human economy works if it's to sustain itself and when you look at the human economy and contrast with living systems you see immediately things that are out of line and of course they're nothing. They're not brilliant insights. There are things that are very obvious you know. Living system is a metabolism. It needs a source of food and it needs to deposits waste in a way that has a circulation like metabolism. If we spoil our nest we can't live in our homes well. The human economy is actually in conflict with that principle the principle i call robust circulation. So if we're in conflict with a core principle it stands to reason that this system is unsustainable and if you look across defined eight principles. The point isn't what my definition is. The point is these are living systems principles. And if you look across all eight of the ones. I've articulated you'll see. Our human economy is in conflict literally with each and every one of them and it's in conflict with that not because bad people designed the system. It's because we were ignorant because of reductions mindset. We were ignorant of the idea that the human economy needs to behave the way letting system debt so we designed it the way we think an efficient machine would work and like many pursuits of efficiency. There's a unintended consequence of a loss of resilience and that loss of resiliency in a simple way is is what we're struggling with right now on a global scale that brings permaculture to mind. Permaculture is the foundation of a regenerates living system applied to human needs. And so you know. There is no healthy human economy without a healthy agriculture system as its foundation both because we need to build soil not destroy soil and our human economy destroys soil and because of the abundance the abundance in our gardens is a beautiful metaphor for the abundance. That's possible if we align the patterns and principles of the economy with the way living systems actually work just as a dozen permaculture. This is such a huge concept. You're working with them here. We are running on the rich getting richer and the poor getting poorer and a self interest running the show as opposed to the or humanitarian basis for living instead of an economic base. I mean he's this huge shift that up against how are we doing. Is this conversation being had in a significant way manure so steeped in that world. You'd know better than you know. Most about what the prospects are for it and how much listening there is for and how much understanding there is for it at some. Yeah i wish. I wish i had a A more optimistic answer. I would say that the good news is that. I've been on this search for now about twenty years. The first five of them. I was completely ignorant and lost the next five i was befuddled in trying to find my way in the last ten i would say i was. I was on the hunt. If you will and began to lock into this idea of living systems which again is not my idea. This is this is lots of a really thoughtful people. Frankly going all the way back to aristotle but certainly gert tei and it's really shift from the modern age reductionist mindset to what some people call the integral age or holistic thinking and its application is in virtually across every domain of knowledge from agriculture in particular but also medicine governance. And you know my my stick if you will or my. My forte is economics and finance. But this is a transformation that is happening for sure. I have zero doubt. It's happening across all fields of knowledge. It is gonna profoundly revolutionize our understanding across all fields knowledge and reconnected. With what we've understood forever which is the indigenous wisdom. You know what amazes me is that this is both in alignment with our latest scientific understanding of how the universe and the planet work and it's aligned with our indigenous wisdom. The only human culture has actually stood the test of time. So you know in one simple level we can say simply going back to what we always knew and have forgotten. But it's not going back because it's integrating all our minds modern scientific understanding at the same time so it's not either or it's it's a it's a vast increase in complexity of our of our understanding of of how who we are and how exist in this on this planet but to answer your question specifically one of the seminal books that i read really was sort of an epiphany as ray anderson used to say a spear chests moment was the the infamous now. Study limits to growth was co-authored by four mit students in the complexity science department at mit on the lead author dana meadows. So you know you're going back to your your original question. How is this being received or understood on you know. Call it in mainstream finance and business and you know when i first read limits to growth. Was the seminal book written in the seventies about this conflict between exponential growth in a finite planet of course limits to growth. Was a club room. It was a report to the club of rome and it was laughed at the time. In fact most people still believe that. It's sort of a neo. Malthusian sky is falling document. In fact i was suspect. Most people in big leadership positions in mainstream business finance either have never read it or don't even know what it says. Or if they're aware of it it came into their consciousness. They dismissed it as not true. And of course there's been study after study as recently as several years ago. That essentially showed that even though they're models were prehistoric currents complexity models standard. They're pretty much spot on accurate and the world is playing out just as they alert us to if we kept business as usual so my point is when i first read that probably around two thousand sore after i kind of pick myself up off the floor. I felt that this would be kinda easy. I now have read this. i understand it. It's obvious it's commonsense obvious and my job is to go bring this message. Like paul revere to the captains of industry so that they understood it because they're too busy to read the book because i've now created space myself to read the book and once we get all of these guys in its most guys together. We'll figure out where we're going to do about it. And that was two thousand five. Maybe and here. I am the truth. Is that when learned is that we don't change our religion and we don't change our world news very easily and when your worldview is built on a foundation that exponential growth is a source of prosperity. And you're the winner because you sit on top of whatever bank or whatever company you're president united states that's built on that foundation. It's very difficult for you to fundamentally challenge it because it's like losing your identity in fact. I think this is probably why i left wall street. I had this need to lose my identity. Rather than a desire to defend my dentist. And i don't know why that is but it became was simple for me as simple as just taking off a shirt and try a new shirt. But what i've learned since then is that our biggest challenge right now. Is that the powers that be are are so trapped in that identity. They literally can't see it. It's not that they see it and rejected logically. I believe they literally can't see it. It's beyond their ability to imagine and so again quoting dana meadows. Our biggest fear or biggest risk is our lack of imagination. And is it possible to have a more prosperous world without exponential growth on the finite planet. I believe there is. Because i've seen it through my own investment projects where we unlocked this regenerative potential regenerate potential is very real just to give one simple example Principles i talk about as writing relationship. Everything is in symbiotic right. Relationship right relationship is a quaker term. That my colleague peter brown i used for title of a buck and and so i stole that from peter with his blessing and in living systems. Every part works symbiotically together. So there's all these win win. Relationships and the most fundamental one for life is a relationship between hydrogen and oxygen h. two o. is a relationship of molecules that unlocks the potential of all life. So imagine sitting in a world where there were just molecules of hydrogen oxygen sitting around and no one thought of the idea of combining them together. There would be no way to imagine what life would be like. But when they're in right relationship we create water which creates the potential for all life. So it's it's so far beyond what we can see at that. Basic fundamental level. Another right relationship is a relationship between our planet earth and our son if we were ten percent further apart or ten percent close together. We're not having this conversation on soon. I'm convinced and i've seen it again. In in numerous of my investment projects where there is potential everywhere that we don't see and it's tapping that potential. Which is i believe the source of our future prosperity and what gives me reason for hope whereas the hoke appeal that cut down a few more trees out of a forest denuded is pretty hopeless. And that's essentially the path ron and again to repeat whether we're democrats or conservatives or they we are trump supporters or hate. The has nothing to do with that. It has everything to do with a success. You know everything that you say is still consistent. Consonant with my understanding. It's getting us back to what's natural and where we are of the earth not on it to use it and to me. It's very promising that you coming from that hardcore financial world are steeped in this very enlightened understanding. Let me say differently because it very politely. Because you're a polite wise elder. Let me say but the truth. Is that what you meant. I suspect is that you know how refreshing viewed dumb arrogant men knew everything in sync. You run the world have finally woken up to what we Feminine elders have understood forever. And no one's listening to us right. I couldn't say it better myself. I happen to agree with you. And one of the principals again is in ballots and probably the most fundamental saying humanity needs to get back into balance is the balance of the masculine and feminine and from my study in my understanding that the feminine is actually the dominant of those two. They need to be imbalanced. Doesn't mean one's better than the other but just like resiliency is dominant trait between resiliency inefficiency. The divine feminine is higher wisdom. And of course that's true in indigenous cultures and of course that's exactly the opposite of the way we've constructed human culture. You know one of the things that i picked up somewhere from what you had written said is. We need to go from problem solving to holistic design. I liked that so much that you know somebody ways to capture this dichotomy or this opposition. The difference between where we are and where we need to go. But you know here we are. We attack these problems piecemeal. Try to try to fix. That was going to the underlying cause that really supports all the problems which listrik design rather than problem solving on top of a system. That's not the proper system to really in us. And what have you. You know where things as you were. Talking also occurred to me to say was such a complicated world and everything is really fixed the way it is in very complex relationships and the power structure wants to retain it that way because sit their advantage and one of the things that i have said think about is kind of the rationale for why psychedelics are illegal and alcohol is legal but psychedelics makes you changed your worldview so we saw. That's one of those things you could point to. If i can say one thing on what you said and i certainly agree with that i would say slightly different. I think the reason that they were so locked rigidly places. It's not just that those in positions of power don't wanna change is not as rational as at. It's not like okay. Let me think about it. So i if i changed my world view that i have to give up my position of power and that's not in my interest so i'm not gonna do that. I actually think that's certainly true. In many cases but i think in many other cases it's a literal talkative inability to see that my worldview might be slob and might be untrue. I believe that the more quote successful one is and frankly the more masculine successful competitive conquer one is which of course defines the heroes of capitalism whether they're hedge fund traders or you know captains of industry the least able they are to actually see a different world view. So you know my success rate at convincing. I'll just refer to a billionaire as pejorative term. Which i think is unfair. But but if you've made a billion dollars through your hard work ingenuity and grit and talent. You're pretty confident. And it's that confidence that is unshakable when it comes to questioning worldview so maybe been more successful on wall street. I wouldn't have been able to shed. That world is affected. I don't know. I think you re tapped some of us. Are we just get it. You know very hard. Fortunately you are. You're a get it in the middle of the ghetto or whatever. Well let me ask you. Let me ask you about an idea of mine That i don't hear talked about. Because i was thinking about hackman. Change the whole thing you know and then not take this that in the other. Try to fix them until we fix what's causing all of the more. So one of the thoughts i have. I think about maslow's hierarchy and that until you handle your basic needs. You really can't see anything. But that. And that i think well let's see if i were the emperor the world. I think what i would do is i would do. Universal basic kingdom. Everybody in the world bring everybody in the world up to where they get education they get food they get shelter they get healthcare and not make everybody rich but get rid of this incredible stretch between the rich and the poor where small percentage of the world can hold all the wealth. Wouldn't that end war if everybody was sustained in your whole war budget to do that. Maybe he's too simplistic night. That work you know when you have a hammer you everything looks like a nail right so i. My hammer is now. These eight principles of regenerates economics. So rather than giving my opinion which. I do have a strong opinion on and won't shocked that i'm in agreement with you but forget my opinion. Let's look to see what the living systems principles. Tell us. the answer is and they are derived from a lot of study of living systems. And they've been tested with splitting system. Scientists experts really understanding systems. Much better than i do and they broadly gotten the check. You know they're they're good enough. Let's test my hypothesis by hypothesis. Is that if the human economy is going to be sustainable and thrived it needs to be aligned with these principles so let's just look at one of them and we go through all eight of them but one of them in particular stands out to address this issue. The principal in again in my language is empowered participation. And what that means is that all parts of the system needs to be empowered to participate in the system in order for the system to be helpful so again using our bodies as quick analogy. Our toes and our feet are empowered to participate in circulation of oxygen. Not because my poor little toes. I feel sorry for him. I want him to be happy. But because if my toes. My feet don't participate in the circulation of oxygen. I can't be healthy as assistant. I can't walk. I can't fulfil my potential. I can't stay fit so not only. Is it bad for my feet. If they don't get oxygen when it's bad for me and my potential is reduced whereas if mind feet participate in the health of my system. They can actually contribute to my potential. I can run a marathon. So what does that say about the extreme poverty and the ability to do guarant- like you say a guaranteed minimum income necessary beautiful metaphor for or actual practical policy solution to ensuring empowered participation of all parts of the human economy. And so tata perfect fit. So we need to do well. How are we gonna pay for it. Well modern monetary theory is sitting there on the shelf so we don't need to pretend we can't do it and we can debate. How much by bob. But we can't pretend that we can't do it. It's a harder challenge when you're dealing with say for example peru or Bangladesh where their central banks limitations are different than ours but starting with the united states. There's no question in my mind that we could finance a guaranteed minimum income and that that would make a huge difference in our ability to shift toward regenerates economy as well as alleviate a lot of pain and suffering which of course as a human being. I'm in favor of. But even if i didn't care about pain and suffering but only i believed in the wisdom of living systems prince wholesome paddlers. It would tell me we need to do that. Not for their sake quote unquote but for all of our state and for the potential entire entire human society. Well hunt billionaires. That makes perfect sense. What you're saying everything is perfect sense. I don't get billionaires. Nobody needs a billion dollars. You know not to mention that during covid The richest people in the world. Like jeff bezos has increased his wealth by seventy billion dollars as have many of the others profiting uncoded. I mean bernie proposal that we've just gotten sixty percent of their excess profits should go back to the people. He's suggesting that that would pay for health. Care for under insured uninsured people which i think. Why seven sixty percent when it all of it means a great question like anything. There are at least two sides of the story. let's start with. What would living systems principles. Tell us and the principle of imbalance and in right relationship and empowered participation and robust circulation of all this wealth is tied up in the you know holdings of one hundred families. It's in violation of the principle of robust circulation. It's like a clogged artery. So again i can love billionaires are i can hate billionaires. I can think it's fair. I can think it's completely unjust. What are the learning systems. Principles tells they tell us that it's outta balanced and what's the right balance. We can debate that but but for sure if you got you know half the wealth clogged up in a small little pocket and not circulating throughout the system which is what it is. It appears to me and we could be happy to debate this with someone but it appears to me that it's in violent conflict with how healthy living systems. So that's that's where i start. How do we deal with it. Both the psychology the policy. And all that so i. I'm a privileged. White man. And i may privilege cova whatever the right term is so so. We just sold our house in a lovely suburb of rye. That pre covid would have been very difficult to sell. But now because of covid everyone wants to get out of new york city and it turns out of you have an old carriage house that you can use a home office and a pool outside you've got buyers. I sold my house in a week for more money than i would have expected by far than six months ago and in fact in the midst of march when new york was melting down and it felt like a depression that would never end. I assumed never sell this house at least for the next ten years. So i'd love beneficiary on a different scale than bezos. But i'm a beneficiary of covid financially and that makes no sense right. I mean i listen to the sirens in march outside my window. Every single night of all health care workers Taking people to hospitals and dying like you know it was awful and here. I am the last person on the world that deserves roy. A financial gain am sitting on a big financial game. Now now visas story is the same story. It's only at a few zeros. And so it's it's completely unfair but none of that was designed into the system right now no one said how can we construct a disease that will benefit e commerce so that these will benefit more than anyone. I mean it just. It's unfair and so the question is what we do about it. And i have two ideas. I'll share just today just to kind of get our our minds going a little bit. The first one to me is a no brainer. Which is that this idea of An estate tax needs to be revisited. It's one thing for a billionaire to have billions of dollars during his or her lifetime and do what they want and feel great and boy. They aren't it and blah blah blah blah. But last thing that should happen is it all goes to their three kids or their one kid or their three kids in two dogs. and so it's a re- it's an easy time for a reset and we should absolutely tighten up all of the tax policies and our what we accept as a society that know. There's some limit on how much you can give to your children and let's debate that to. Is it a million dollars as a ten million dollars. One hundred ninety dollars isn't a billion dollars. Whatever said number. And that's it. You know if i had to pick a number it would be a number like ten million but it wouldn't be more than fifty billion it'd be in that range you know. You can't make a case in my mind. That poor sally or poor. Joey needs a billion dollars to be secured. That's one thing i would do. And then the second thing is there are different approaches to this. But i like the idea of p- redistribution of wealth rather than redistribution of wealth. Redistribution of wealth is again dealing with the problem. Redistribution of wealth is dealing with it at the root cause at the systemic level and most of the extreme wealth. Not all of it but most of it comes from an entrepreneurial success right at least in our country in other countries we can come from lots of different sources. That are less less attractive. But you know whether it's jeff bezos bill gates or you know the founders of google. Whatever it's from an entrepreneurial success and there's no reason that people will say well you'll you'll inhibit motivation and whatnot ridiculous. If bill gates had twenty billion dollars. Instead of sixty billion dollars he would be equally motivated and so my idea on. Redistribution of wealth would be to invoke the idea and actually obama said this and got hammered for it but anyone who builds company today is building on the back of the technologies that exists when they start so if there's no internet there's no facebook if there's no microchip there's no microsoft if there's no social network dutch nobre and so in my mind there ought to be. This gets a little bit of financial speech gobbly gook but imagine if there were a commons portfolio which we all owned and every time company is created that entity would own pick a number twenty five percent of the new business but only only once it reached a billion dollars in market cap so ninety nine percent of the businesses to get started reach a billion dollars market cap. So this wouldn't affect almost everybody. But for the few cases of the google the microsoft so the facebook's suddenly the public represented by this fund or this vehicle would own twenty five percent of all of them but that interests that ownership interest would only kick in once. They were wildly successful. Or maybe it's fifty percent. We can debate again. What the numbers but what that would do is it would vastly flatten the extreme wealth and share that systematically with the entire society and the logic of it is not just or that would be nice thing to do but the logic of it is the only way that facebook goal was possible is because of everything that came before it just like we all wake up at inherit the air we breeds. And so why wouldn't that be different than the technology that we breathe and so in that way would be one attempt to systematically put a damper on this inequality both on the top end. But also you have the resources. So we can reduce the dependency. We have on printing money. You have the resources to actually share across the economy because the innovation is going to continue. There's gonna be another google. There's gonna be another facebook. i don't know what it is but the wealth creation is going to be even more concentrated once we get into the world of artificial intelligence. So we need to do this. Now let me go on and ask you this. Why is wall street. Just a little practical question now for people who are interested in this sort of thing. Why is wall street doing so. Well and what a little investor like me. It scares me mean i see. Oh it's okay. It's back but then i think how can it sustain. We're in such trouble. I just take all my money out and put it under my mattress and you. what what. What's your thoughts about that blow. It makes no sense to me. Trust me hesitant to say too much. Because i am no financial new prognosticator and i if i knew what was going to happen i i don't i don't think anyone does but here's what i would say. One the indices and the media that we get fed this are focused on a very few number of companies or just literally looking at the other day apple. The company has appreciated in its value so it was high and then it collapsed with everything and since that collapsed in march ish. Whenever that was it has now appreciated by something like nine hundred billion dollars. I remember when apple crossed the trillion dollar mark and it was like unheard us and here in three months. It's rallied almost that same trillion and so much of what we see in. The broad market indices is a handful of companies like apple and microsoft and amazon. It isn't really the barometer academy that the media makes us think it is. It's really this story of inequality playing out all over again. With companies and there are a handful of companies that are either by luck or genius or a little bit of both like perfectly positioned for the future digital economy that is going to accelerate on us faster as a result of kobe than it was happening already but it was happening already so in a sense what amazon did is. It accelerated ten years of differentiation overnight. 'cause retail went out of business and everything went to amazon will that trend was well underway for the last five years ten years and was gonna continue but it just clapsed and so the the impact of that was extraordinary. So it's kind of an accelerator into this new world grin and it's accelerated the inequality. It's really not as crazy as it looks is just happening on an exponentially faster scale but meantime the only gas industry is almost bankrupt and yet we don't see that and feel that and hear that in the news in part because gas industry was already in decline and now is just hastened its decline. So it's complicated. I would agree with your first premise. That having said everything that i just said it doesn't make any sense to me. The valuations in the stock market are in. My opinion doesn't mean it won't go higher but it makes no sense. My own approach to investing is to move money out of the stock market and try to find more nuanced ways to invest in a way that's aligned with my values and principles host speculating in the stock market. It's almost like there's no good easy decision other than to be diversified and i would argue to be defensive and cautious as opposed to aggressive. Unless you're twenty five and you're gonna ride the cycle out putting it back into a bigger lens. We're living through a an extraordinarily volatile time of humanity and with that comes extreme volatility in economies. And with that comes. Extreme volatility in stock markets and. We just need to recognize that. We're in a different phase than we were in nineteen fifty when the war was behind us and it was sort of smooth sailing for miles and miles ahead so i think we need to behave accordingly. And you know there's no like golden rule that says you need to earn nine percent on your 401k for every year until your debt That just doesn't exist and so we pretend as if that's sort of the base case and what if the base is you know returns will be volatile in an average out to zero. Well then your mattress looks pretty good. I don't know what the answer is. But i know i'm i feel very confident that it's not a blind. Put your money in a passive mutual fund and you get to earn nine percent without thinking about it. I just don't think that world exists right now. No yeah for sure I just worry about the collapse being you know a real collapse where we're nothing works anymore and we go back to some primitive reality I spending a lot of time in that conversation with people. Well first of all. I think we are in collapse. It's just not a single event like an earthquake but think about you know my kids generation. They were little kids on nine eleven end. There was the dot com crash. The dot com crash was first then. There was nine eleven then. There was the financial crash then. There was gotten those what forest fires hurricanes now. There's kovic global warming hitting us in all different ways that the new disaster japan. I mean what does it take to call it collapse. If you wanna get really depressed you look at species extinction and the rate of extinction versus. We've never seen anything like this since the dinosaurs went extinct. So we're in collapse. It's just sort of a slow motion and you know whether the stock market is where it is today or half of what is today is kind of trivial irrelevant detail in the context of the big story. That's playing out at the beginning of this century. it's not an irrelevant detail to our 401k. But in the scheme of this change it's really a relatively small piece. I think we need to get our heads around how big this changes but not be paranoid and petrified by recognize. It means you know the importance of home. The importance of family the importance of community. And get clear on how. And where we wanna live. And be resilient for whatever's going come because no one can predict what's going to come. But i think it's fair to predict it's going to be volatile and it has been for twenty years already in the center. We are in a very unhinged state. Which one of the virtues of that is it really forces us to think again other any particular people to pay attention to that. You pay attention to who you can tell the listeners. Hey pick up on. Its own so so you know. I've mentioned stephanie. Kelton on this idea of modern monetary theory. I think that's one piece of the of the puzzle. There's a whole bunch of people now. Working on this idea of of a new economy called a rome has a has a good initiative on that. Herman daly is the creator of what's called ecological economics. But i've been part of a process to try to get him nominated for nobel prize. Hasn't gone anywhere. The economics nobel mad for him during the new age ecological economics was to me the big groundbreaking insight that exponential growth on a planet doesn't work for economics and scale matters. of course the nobel prize committee freakonomics. Which is the swedish central bank. It's not really a legitimate nobel. Prize awarded the nobel prize to a willing nor house a couple years ago and he's famous because he produced a climate model that calculates. You're not going to believe in about to tell you. It calculates that the optimal target for global warming we should shoot for is three and a half degree celsius not two degrees not one and a half to raise. Which is what the science tells you three and a half degrees and the logic for that is that any lower target would cost too much. In terms of lost economic growth the nobel prize in economics awarded to a man whose model says we should shoot for three and a half degree celsius. Which is terrible. Which is the end of life as we know it on this planet got. Oh we are so crazy. That's the state of economics in fairness there plenty of economics professors. Who think that's crazy. I don't know how it happened. But there had to be a lot of series economists reviewing who was going to get the prize in two thousand eighteen somehow that pass muster my My current mistress is moving more and more into this study. this indigenous studies study of the divine feminine I think we need to get above are logical analysis of the problem and move into a much deeper Sensing into the problem. So that's where my interest is gone but there's plenty of brilliant intellectual minds wrestling with the economic system in climate problem. Be hesitant to mention them because of the ones that i would neglect to mention to go on my website. I've got a whole page of books that read that an influential on be well. We oppose capitalists dude dot org on our page for you so that everybody can you know. Go more deeply into what you're talking about. This seems like a good time to sum this up. And ask you to tell us what i asked you to think about. Before about your own mission statement. Have you got one for me. It clearly has something to do with this idea of re connecting and integrating the traditional wisdom. That we like oh of together. In with our modern scientific understanding of how the universe actually works and apply that insight to our economic system design and in particular into the financial system that powers economic system. I spent twenty years on wall street. I believe now for a purpose which was to learn how it works and to gain a credible voice in that arena which is not well understood by most people and yet i know that it is a critical leverage point if not the critical errors point or trim tab term in in steering the economy and so the way financial capital flows is energy. It's the energy of modern society and we need to redirect that energy in a way is aligned with business wisdom. That's my task. Probably won't finish it before. I'm done here but i think this is a shift that's gonna be measured in decades. I don't think it gets done anytime soon. John this is not good news for your elder here. We sometimes over inflate our own self importance on this planet. The civil rights movement. You know martin luther king kind of put a stake in it but it was going on for decades before that and i think we're in a similar stage of this transition though. Now the other thing asks you think about a one line message to the world so i one line message to the world is to place your faith and retain in this idea of the regenerative potential that exists for sure even if we can't quite see it or talk about it right now john. Golly i want you to take over president you could be my president other. I'll be your vice president. I'll be the president. All right will definitely need you because you certainly understand a lot of things. I don't understand. But i'm very glad that crossed as you because i'm coming to understand much more really. Thanks to how why you are so i really appreciate this time together and you know. I hope that we been clear enough that ordinary mortals can understand what you're talking about but you know have them right in and ask you questions yet. I love to. I joke because the truth is people think what i say is complicated and on one level it is but my gift is not intelligence it is curiosity and then i can tell you with great confidence things. I talk about all the camera. I remember when i got in the human potential movement and my parents didn't understand. You know what. I was up to. And i kept saying. Just be curious that would be fabulous quality of everybody participated Thank you so much for being so smart and for standing hav being curious and being curious and you know may may you change the world to to that. It's been wonderful having this conversation. I'm glad we finally made it happen in love to continue as you said it'd be it'd be funded to. I've never met brian. So maybe we have a physics in economics. Conversation as a follow on would be fun. This wonderful i will look forward to that so thanks. It'd suzanne thinks she leads to the rhythm so dear listeners. Thank you for tuning into. My sue speaks podcasts. 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