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Ross and Carrie Listen to You: Listener Stories Edition

Oh No Ross and Carrie

23:24 min | 7 months ago

Ross and Carrie Listen to You: Listener Stories Edition

"Hello welcome to own a Rawson. Carry the show where we don't just report on fringe, science, spirituality and claims of the paranormal, but take part ourselves except this time, we said. Hey, you WANNA take part with us, so we asked all of you for stories a couple episodes ago we've been hearing a lot from people via email and twitter and facebook, really wonderful messages that have really more hearts about how the the show has influenced your lives, and those messages have really made this unique time a lot better for me, in Farrah's and one we, we also have been hearing from tons of people who are having a really tough time right now. Are we and we thought? Thought hearing some uplifting stories might be a nice break for a minute, so we asked you guys. If he wanted to send in audio clips of you, telling stories about how the show's impacted your life, a couple dozen people did that and we got to listen to these amazing messages that you're about to hear now. We'll probably do this again. In the future, said. Don't worry too much if if you didn't get it in, but I do want to give you a heads up about what kind of stuff you'll be hearing about, so we got a lot of very touching stories, but sometimes the arc of the story goes from really tough stuff to pretty hopeful stuff. So that tough stuff might include things like high control, groups, or thoughts or actions regarding self harm, so if you're if you're not in a place where you WanNa hear that maybe skip ahead to the next one if you are though. You're about. Hear some really wonderful stories of of hoping encouragements and coming through some really dark shit. And, we're really proud to be part of your guys, lives and really. Really touched and honored. To take a part in the stories. You're about to hear here they are. Hiaasen. Kerry Rawson Carry High Rawson carry a Ross hairy. Hi Russ and Kerry, a Rawson carry carry. High Rawson carries it, are you? He him his pronounce she her and I use the pronouns you probably tell by. From Scotland and I'm hailing from Australia. Yes, I promise we exist. My Week is made when you make your podcast you're show has changed my life so growing up. My parents were pretty religious. I was brought up in a super religious evangelical Christian household. I grew up fundamentalist Christian in a very rural part of the southern United States, so I grew up Christian and I'm now. At least I'm sure you understand I was raised in a sec of Bible, based Evangelical Lutheranism a sexist and. But with drum kit on stage, and a disturbing metastases into surrounding towns son of a pastor in a pentecostal church? Only in my case I was the pasture son, but in the Mormon Church I was born into the IBM are otherwise known as the Institute of Divine Metaphysical Research Back in nineteen, ninety-two I was raised day adventist and bought it believed it percent in a really love those esoteric stories about ufo's ghosts, strange and whatnot when I was nine to twelve i. I watched a lot of documentaries and read a lot of extreme spiritual claims. Watch world government conspiracy videos the works. I wish ruling a free thing. We used homeopathy and other alternative medicines, essential oils everything like that my general practitioner. Dr Was a homeopathic doctor. I grew up with an anti VACs mother felt a distance from traditional ways of learning in school. School setting not often built the autistic brain I became desperate and turned to homeopathy as coming from a place of losing both of my children to suicide, a year and a half apart I was a senior school when I was diagnosed with major depressive disorder, and was forced to drop out nothing mattered to me, finally went to a mental hospital for suicidal. Suicidal ideation before I was willing to leave the church. They preyed on people with no place else to go and kept them in the church by making it their only place to go a spiritual and magical world out there that just happens to be very hid and extremely exclusive stories. I really liked growing up. Were the ones that talked about God's and There was a time when I believed these stories could all be real, but that fell away from me as I got older, I, truly thought for a while that my disbelief in these stories meant. I could no longer enjoy them a few years later I experienced severe insomnia that lasted months time I fear that I was losing my mind personally. I was afraid to tell anyone about my experience with homeopathy and the psychologist I had no way to reconcile myself with my religion, and it led to a lot of trauma. I had severe. Panic attacks and lost a lot of sleep because I was genuinely afraid I was going to be punished, even after all that it was still terrifying to consider the church, not being true Mealy, due to what it would mean to my family and social circle, which is a common theme, but also what it would mean to my eternal soul, as I still thought at the time, if I was wrong, because religious PTSD is real and it is. Insidious Bible wasn't true. And that means that that version that made me feel so guilty and everything else. There was a way out and I. Just wasn't seeing it. There's an extensive crisis that is going through trying to understand. What was going on Embraer was my place in the world I'd studied Church doctrine history, and all that stuff on my own time, because I was just simply really curious, and I really liked being the guy that you know maybe I. Don't have the best answer in the world, but I have an answer to any question that seems to come up. He claimed that his treatment method. Method was far above, conventional psychology and medicine, and that he could cure me for two thousand dollars recent I wasn't interested. In men is because I, was gay. I was finally able to grasp things about myself I had never thought to challenge before one of the most important being that I was trans male, and this was especially difficult for me, because I am both transgender and. By I came out. As Bi. But still tried to live as an active Mormon. Out in proud by person and believing Mormons very difficult, then I was recommended to your show I believe after the adventure zone balance ended Aaron this time. I ended up listening to honour. which I thought would have a lot more ghosts I. I discovered your podcast through my endless search for any and all things about scientology. This was the faint podcast I had ever gotten into, and I loved it from the start after your podcast after someone mentioned. Conversation, about, period. I was so close to buying it what I found you guys. I was immediately hooked I found her show through maximum fun. It sounded very interesting to me and without hesitation Ibn to listen to your show as do with all of the PODCASTS I get into in its entirety back to front I thought you guys were cool. As far as eighth theus go. Your podcast broke through in gave me hope that there's still something to explore something to learn. The short investigation on conversion therapy really hit hard for me as a bypass, and as I listened to Rawson Curious Mormon investigation, and then there are other investigations ever actually got to scientology and I thought Oh. This'll be fun. but as I listened to it, I realized that Oh shit. I think I might be a Colt when I listened to the Mormon episode, it was strange to hear specifically hearing. Carry talk about those who identify as women morning over not having husbands and children single, and just pining over that, and how carry thought that was so sad and at the time I was shocked. Your podcasts really helps me put into perspective. Just how bananas? My parents believe. SAR and I find a lot of comfort in that and I have almost entirely stopped having nightmares about through aperture at first Christians ten thirteen. ESTA version all the time. I wasted in the worst of the health issues, wishing to just die because I knew the afterlife, it'd be better and recognize. The problem wasn't me, but it was the religion that I was part of I realized that it was okay to be skeptical that it was okay to question my upbringing, it was oak a to no longer subscribe to that way of life. There was people on my side. That thought similar to me that I am not necessarily the crazy one but I'm simply leaving a very crazy and messed up situation, but listening to you guys examine your experiences. and. Go through your thoughts and feelings. About things it helps me do that. And it sort of connects these different parts of myself by approaching. Treatments with a critical but open mind insincerely trying to understand why people may believe things that others would quickly dismiss nonsense. You're not only humanizing issues. You investigate on your show. But opened the door for understanding and connection I feel like. I would really struggled to continue to listen to the show. If it had been coming from a place of mean-spiritedness, Rawson Kerry you have enthusiastic curiosity not only did that. Make me root for them as a listener, but the curious perspective they shared and the questions they asked helped me validate my own right to question, and I realized that if you guys can be direct and honest and caring with someone, you've often just met then I'm not giving my moment of credit a friend of my dad's. The telling me, how does healing his stage four cancer with Ricky and it took everything I had not to shout. Honestly so I really admire you guys for being so patient with people. Rawson Kerry had taught me that it's not some super strange thing to be interested in more spiritual topics in. It's especially not a one way ticket to a cold membership. U2 orders. So positive and In have. Inspired me to. Be More understanding. In more self-critical. It's just been a blessing. I'm also very altruistic. And your podcast even when you talk about like spooky stuff being like a major comfort to me a major consistency in this crazy world. Also helped me learn and understand about so many new things because your podcast I've gained greater understanding, my own beliefs and behavior, which was the first step towards forgiving myself. I'm therapy and take medication. I no longer need to chase secure. Always spend money on the next. Thing that would fix me after a bit more thought I sought out the hope. Of An actual licensed mental health professional, instead of someone from Church cognitive behavioral therapy and daily processing sessions with excellent therapists are what finally helped breakthrough? But Enrique was invaluable in paving the way for me to reframe my thinking and I will always be grateful for that on your could give me the push to get out of an unhealthy religious organization. You both open is so much can force into. See that those things not really writing needed. I was doing anything to fill a void. That maybe did not be filling. In early twenty seventeen, my dad passed away suddenly, and not long after I started listening to your show. Listen. Sure has kept me feeling connected to him in a weird way. He would have loved the ancient alien episodes. They all fantastic for the first time in years I'm able to enjoy researching religions without fear instilled in the back of my mind that I'll be drawn into something dangerous. I can actually show my genuine enthusiasm and I want to share my story till it. You know how the work that you do has made a significant impact on my life. It's helped me have a better understanding of the importance of communication honesty and the real cost of the kind of ideas. The people ride off as homeless, but have forty consequences. Learned to be okay with not knowing what will happen focused. More on now. That there is truth in laster to be had along the way I'm so grateful that every time I feel. overwhelmed. I can just. Scroll back to their year investigation or fucking. Into start listening. Listening to it from the beginning. Share on their show Dover undoing according I know but I love you but. You gotTA. Issues for a minute. Sorry, that's my cat. Nova, she's also thin four putts males. That interests you told. The really cute. Sorry, my cat will not sit still. On Rak taught me how to respectfully navigate conversations and circumstances. That would have been tough to handle on my own. The show also introduced me to a lot of helpful resources, and how to be proud of my critical thinking so I'm very grateful for you guys modeling this way of interacting with different belief systems for me. I think it's made a huge difference in the life of my. Mom In our family. has made me better. Interrogate my earn thought processes and belief systems, giving me tools to understand this better, and helped to shape me into a more empathetic, curious and critical person I could put energy into making my van by using critical thinking from listening to your podcast I've come to realize that desperation has the power to override critical thinking, and that perhaps many of us are susceptible to falling for these kinds of quick fixes given the right circumstances. And there's Times that the holy. Spirit put something they hired. It turns out. That's my voice, and sometimes I'm pretty smart. I started to recognize through listening to on Rak. What falsify ability was and how the responses I had been indoctrinated with didn't allow for falsify ability or even pursuing contradictory evidence, I started to truly understand the process of learning and critical thought I was able to learn and grow the rest of my life I will always have the memories of listening to your show and. Finally understanding what it means to look at yourself and look at the things that you know and confront them and think of them reasonably so listening to all of us carries. Has helped me realize that I can laugh at the situation and some of the crazy things that I believe that I helped perpetuate for so long, and there are actions that I can take as an individual to really take those teaching skills I developed as a religious person and use those skills to remind people to think critically and to challenge their beliefs, and to not always accept the status quo to anyone who's trying to help a loved one who's engaged infringe thinking all I can recommend is compassionate and helping provide exposure to other ways of thinking, even if it doesn't have anything directly. Directly to do with the fringe thinking, they're engaged in the more exposure to different ways of thinking the more it'll help them engage in critical thinking. I'll never forget the way that you're so much me towards truth and critical thinking, and always kept me empathetic towards the people. I care about the law. It's finding common cramped with someone in working from day I'll always be ritchie, both and so the kind way that you've asked you to look at why they believe what they believe I am just so thankful to have folks like you who are compassionate and kind and pursuing truth and. And Science in a wonderful and entertaining way. Also. You're just fucking funny. You're really fucking. It's nice to have to smart and funny people on my side, so thank you so much for putting out such great content in listening to owner, Rawson Kerry gave me a sense of community when I didn't have any hearing. Something carry said that would make me laugh or Just listening to Ross's voice would sometimes be really calm I hope. That isn't creepy, but I just wanted to thank you guys personally. For providing a show that I could turn to in times when I maybe felt a little more alone. Thank you both so much for what you do. It's such service. I feel more intelligent more informed. And now I have stability to realize the aircraft pay someone. To make me feel better that. I just wanted to let you know that you also inspired me to eat better now. Because carry I'm considering switching tracks and going to school for Journalism on Eric taught me how to examine the claims made by my church, and it ultimately gave me the motivation to move on from it and into the next chapter of my life. Which I truly believe is going to be a lot more positive. Thank you Rawson. Kerry. Keep doing what you're doing. Keep up the good work crossing Gary. Thanks for everything you do. Thank you, guys. I love the moment at about forty four fourteen in the Dr Jeff. Interview, where carriages calls him on all his bullshit carry, you're my hero rose your great as well. Thank you guys for everything. You're doing excellent work. Thank you. There's not really a non binary word for Tom. Boy Is there. Thank you so much for all you do is you want to say I would've loved to have taught Ross and Kerry as missionaries. I've read a ton more books. My good reeds to be read pile is never ending. Thanks for that and I just WANNA. Say Thank you so much for that and keep doing what you're doing. Please thank you again I want. He cries so much. Take care. And all the best, so thank you and Kerry for the difference you made in my life. Thank you both so much for your amazing show and being such an inspiration. Thank you. You tackle every subject with this. Sense of wonder in this warm light hearted humor that I just cannot get enough off, and I so appreciate. I honestly don't think I'd be where I am today without your show. Thanks guys. Thank you for letting me realize that I'm not alone that it's okay to. Be. A center. And keep doing what you're doing. Stay safe out there and keep those scammers on their toes, so thank you again. And I hope y'all exchange safe and healthy. Thanks and take care. Thank you Rawson Carey for being my light in the darkness and bringing me hope again, thank you, thank you. Sir Sir about sure what you've done and continue to do I hope you'll well and take care much love from Australia I appreciate you both and our full I'm just really glad they go out there and do all these things so that we don't have to. Hey everybody. It's Ross here at the end and. Thank you. Thank you to everybody who sent in those stories. All the kind words I know it was really helpful for us to hear them. And hopefully it was helpful for you as well just to hear a little bit about how the show has resonated with other listeners. So thanks again and if you're in this, you share with us. Of course, that's always welcome. Feel free to email us at INFO at podcast DOT com. And that's it for this episode as always our theme. 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Bonus: Poldark Writer Debbie Horsfield Looks To Fifth And Final Season

MASTERPIECE Studio Podcast

17:36 min | 2 years ago

Bonus: Poldark Writer Debbie Horsfield Looks To Fifth And Final Season

"Uh-huh. I'm Jay sleigh Cobb. And you're listening to a special bonus episode of masterpiece studio after pulled our stunning third season. Finale last year who could have thought that head writer, Debbie Horsfield's already dramatic series could out drama itself. But as the fourth season wraps up it's clear Horsfield and Paul dark have drama to spare who to inquire off miss turned not not away. For God's sake. Can we know put aside our quarrels at the time of sickness? I'm concerned for Elizabeth will not leave until you. Tell me how she is. Listen. Elizabeth is dead with Elizabeth dead. Rawson George are even more at war. But it's not all doom and gloom after two seasons of heartbreak and horror more wena Drake are finally married. Marry me. Be my wife in name only never ask for more. Do we not love me? Course view. This is navene just about love. But it has. And can only ever be Horsfield could easily credit novelist. Winston Graham source material for the emotional fourth season conclusion, but she's also more than ready to take the drama to new heights in a special bonus episode of the podcast Horsfield reflects on pulled ARC's fourth season and looks ahead to the fifth and final season for series. And this week we are joined again by pulled our creator, Debbie Horsfield, welcome. Hello. Hi this episode marks the death of Elizabeth what was behind the decision to end the season on this note. And how does it Mark a true turning point for the show? Well, that is how the the seven spoke the angry tied. And so it was a very powerful ending in the book. And we felt we needed to do it full Justice. It is the end of era in terms of Elizabeth has been such a strong presence during the whole of the the series that we've had in the books. She's always there in Demelza mind in Ross's mine and Georgia's mine, she's such a powerful figure and actually when I was when I was coming to write the scenes in which she died. I actually. Found myself getting incredibly upset as if you know has if I was saying goodbye to a favorite real person. And I actually made myself cry writing them. In that respect obviously Lisbeth is a fictional. Character. Hater read is a real life person playing how difficult was it to say goodbye, then to hate a read L, it's very difficult when you when you have to say goodbye to any car, but hey there in particular, you know, she's been there from from the beginning, and she is so wonderful, and and she is actually magnificent in series four. Actually, you saw Elizabeth growing in strength at the end of series three and that continues into series four, and she will be very much missed. I love how this episode begins with a flashback to a much happier time before Ross left for America, which allows us not only to see a young Ross and Elizabeth in love, but also our dearly departed characters like Agatha. And Francis is intrude your enlisting sixty second regiment of foot. From my father says idea only to save you from the gallows someone who isn't impressed. Watch the Matto the middle of this family, six months at the most aunt hardly know him going where did the idea for this flashback come from? Well, it was my idea because Oviously the story ends with the death of Elizabeth. On. I was reminded what a key part. She had played not just in Ross's life. But the three men had been in love with her. Ross francis. George and Winston Graham makes it very clear George and Francis never thought they were in with a chance and yet actually in the end all three of those men had a relationship with her. And so I just wanted to revisit that. And in order to give that those death scenes to give them all the power that they could and should have by reminding us as an audience how key Elizabeth hut. Been to to those three men the scene. Also seems to show us one of the causes for the rivalry between Ross George and Francis. As each we say appears to be in love with Elizabeth in their own right at its heart. Do see polled arc as perhaps being about greed? If both the monetary and his sexual. Major. There are some elements of greed of a of a monitoring nature, but I wouldn't say maybe I would call it possessiveness. Maybe I'd call it hope session. I mean, clearly George was obsessed with possessing Elizabeth and in a way, you know, Ross's feelings could sometimes be seen to verge on an obsession as well. It's less greed. It's more possessiveness Elizabeth seals her fate here by going to the doctor to obtain ergot in order to bring about a premature birth. Was this a fairly common practice at the time for for women who might be in a similar situation. Yes. Apparently, that's that's you know, that's an old remedy there wasn't room to have the whole scene that Winston Graham road. But there's a very very long section, which the the physician explains that if she feels that something is going wrong, she has to some of hub physician. Tell him what she's taken because apparently the the dosage had to be so precise. And yes, very very easily could go wrong. And unfortunately, did I asked hate about this the other day, but I'd be curious about your your own response. Why doesn't Elizabeth tell Dwight about the ergot given that the doctor had warned her about those complications girl? I think probably that she didn't want to admit even to Dwight what she had done. It's a strange one, really. And I suppose there is no guarantee that he would have been able to to do anything to reverse it. She did the doctor was clear with her that she should say something straight away, initially, the doctor that was called in walls, not Dwight it was docked to choke. He would be the last person she would want to confide that too. And by the time Dwight came it was probably too late. And she probably knew it. I was shocked here that Elizabeth doesn't have this very long drawn out death scene. But actually sort of very quietly goes into the night. What was behind the decision to have Ross find out at the same time as the audience that Elizabeth had died. That's the books. Actually, it's the most awful moment in the books where he comes around to ask after her health, and George just such lashes him with this. Oh, Elizabeth's dead. Which is Georgia's ultimate weapon. Really to to basically lob that grenade Ross even in that moment of his own hideous grief, but the book does it just beautifully. So we basically just taken that. I mean, it is more much more emotionally wrenching in a way that Ross doesn't get to say goodbye to his first love, and George is there for that moment. Yeah. I think actually incredibly moving that George is. Because you know, there's been a lot of debate about does George really love Elizabeth or she just a possession to him as she just a trophy. But I have always felt that inasmuch as George capable of loving anyone. He does love Elizabeth. And he is grief stricken, I mean, everything that he has aimed for and achieved he did it because of her for her sake. And now when he's got everything, you know, he's even on the verge of becoming, sir. George will Laghan. He's. A second child whose paternity that can be no doubt about he has absolutely everything. He could wishful, and then it's all taken away because the person that matters most to have the approval of has gone before this next question, a brief word from our sponsors. Viking. Vikings new ocean fleet is designed with all verandah state rooms for just nine hundred thirty like minded guests by river and by see more at Viking cruises dot com. Well, the death of Elizabeth does bring Rawson Demelza finally together again after a season of various trials are these two. Finally now at peace with one another. I think that from now on on the books of very clear about this their team that sound unromantic. But personally, I think it's the most romantic thing to be writing about a relationship, which has longevity. The two people involved have a bond which carries them through decades and decades more children more turmoil, but they remain steadfastly together personally, that's my idea of romance. Not just you know, the kind of heady walks along the cliffs that we saw in series one. I think this story of a real genuine marriage is genuinely romantic because it is because it is real. It's founded on a genuine boned and depth of love. I love the scene at the church yard between Jeffery Charles and Verity shoes nothing. No. She was appalled. It's a very small moment. But it says so much about the rivalries of this show are the battle lines being drawn here in this scene in a way. Yes. Because it's very clear that Jeffery Charles is never going to be found of George George was generous to Jeffery Charles when he was young. But it was always a means to an end to gain Lisbeth favor because he knew how important Jeffrey tells to Elizabeth so that rivalry between the pull docks and the Wolega NHS continues. Right up to book twelve looking back at this season as a whole do you have a favorite scene? I think I enjoy it more as I go on to be honest. And I think this is my favorite series to be honest. I think it takes us to places that we haven't been before. But it also reestablishes some of the things that we loved about the earliest series, but most particularly reconnects Ross and Demelza in a big way. So I think probably a little be a two hundred between Rawson Demelza where they finally reconnecting again because both of those they reestablish that deep deep connection between the two of them to ones as well. You know? Louis think of affection. Realize that day that she never wounds. Never could be won't you? Indispensable. Replaceable. This now because I think taking you for ground. Assumed you knew. To me was always. The better part of me, I've been guilty of the same. Now after what I would call a truly star crossed romance. We're wena Drake. Finally, get married in this episode. Do you think that the the unsolved murder of AUSSIE could come back to haunt them? Or is it finally smooth sailing ahead for these two it's not necessarily smooth sailing head because Molenaar is very traumatized from her marriage to Ozzy. I mean, that is genuine post traumatic stress disorder that she is dealing with that. And that's not something that's gonna go away in a hurry. So there will be challenges ahead. But in terms of will Drake ever be blamed for the death of alsi happily. No. That's good to hear. What makes a Debbie Horsfield show at Debbie Horsfield show. I come from a big family. I come from a family of lots of goals. I come from a family where my parents were married for over forty years. So I I think that I tend to write about relationships, I tend to be quite realistic, but optimistic about relationships, I tend to write about groups of women quite a lot actually often in my own contemporary work of it's in book place settings. But I think that the concerns and the stub jets and the territories that interest me, oh, not that dissimilar to the woman in pole doc on fascinated by human relations, and what makes people tick, and what makes them behave in extreme ways. And that's the same. Whether it's the eighteenth century or the twenty first century. What can you tell us about your upcoming? The UK drama age before beauty. Yes. Couldn't be more different to pulled up the precincts of it, though, not necessarily the what we actually deal within this in the store it set in a in a beauty Paula which specializes in anti aging treatments. However is not the treatment that we are dealing with which talking about family saga multigenerational where we're looking at what the expectations are that we have of people what at various ages. I think it was. It was inspired actually by an article I read in a in a paper saying what you can count where what age so partly you can never wear leather trousers after the age of nineteen if you'll not over six tall, you have long hair after thirty seven you can't wear a bikini after thirty two. It was so prescriptive and ludicrous that I thought this got to be. Series here about how do people either conform to those so-called rules or how do they book the trend? So we're looking at three generations of a family who all work in the same business and how they contradict expectations. I suppose I can't wait for that, Debbie Horsfield. Thank you so much. Thank you. And just as pulled arc wraps up for the year. So to we'll masterpiece studio on the other side of the new year. We'll be back with new episodes and new interviews for returning series like Victoria, unforgotten and grantchester and for brand new series like MRs Wilson and in February we're launching mining pulled arc masterpiece studios. Brand new pulled arc recap podcast, featuring Robin Ellis, the original Ross poll dark from the nineteen seventies adaptation of the series. He's a dog whose he's I'm predictable. In other words. I think it's the unpredictability which Elizabeth certainly experiences in the first chock pay have. Puts her off. I think it really he's changed from that much blind character that left for the wool. Check your podcast feeds in the weeks ahead for a special preview of the new series. And be sure and subscribe to the new podcast on apple podcast, Stitcher radio public or wherever else you subscribe to podcasts. Masterpiece studio is hosted by me jas lake hob produced by Nick Anderson. At least e to our editor Suzanne Simpson is our executive producer executive producer of masterpiece is Rebecca Eaton. Sponsors for masterpiece on PBS are Viking cruises. Farmers insurance. Raymond, James and the masterpiece trust.

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Julia Sweeney on "SNL," "Work in Progress," "Shrill"

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

33:30 min | 6 months ago

Julia Sweeney on "SNL," "Work in Progress," "Shrill"

"Bullseye with Jesse Thorn is a production of maximum fun dot Org and is distributed by. NPR. It's Bullseye I'm Jesse Thorn. What follows is an interview conducted by Kerry poppy. Carey is, of course, the host of maximum funds own podcast Ono Rawson Carey. In the show Kerry and her co host Ross blocher investigate spiritual and paranormal claims in the best way they know how they try them out. That means looking for ghosts or joining scientology or trying out new age home remedies that are slightly to gross to talk about on NPR. One time. My friend Jordan I went on their show and vape essential oils. Did. Not. Seem to have an effect on me. A little coughing. Carries guest on Bullseye this week Julia Sweeney you probably know Julia Sweeney from her work on Saturday night live. She was on the show for the first part of the nineteen nineties. She's followed that with other interesting work she's performed a series of monologues, the talk about her life and her relationship with religion in a funny honest way God said Ha might be the best known of them. What you've been up to since then well, she helped create a new show called work in progress, which is airing on showtime, and she's in the comedy shrill in it. Julia Sweeney Plays Vera the mother to the main character Annie. Played by eight Brian. Any is a writer living in Portland who is constantly juggling insecurities in her love life, her family life and her job. The show also talks a lot about body image problems in how family can exacerbate them. Like in this clip. He has gone to visit her parents and he's Dad who is battling cancer just got some good news about his treatment and to celebrate, and he brings him a meatball sub you know as a tree, but then mom gets. Let's listen. Are you seeing for dinner. No no, we already. Oh tell me you did not bring this crap into our house. Did You Come Up. Yeah relax it's a meatball sub it's one sandwich one day in dead good test results today today. But that doesn't mean he's home free. We still have to worry about our health. Okay. You don't have control every single thing that we eat. Okay. Yeah. Well, you know I read your article and I know I'm the horrible mother who forced you your whole life to eat healthy and exercise, and now all my friends are reading about it. That's how that's great I feel some. Of those things so I wrote them why didn't you come to me and talk to me about it I send you just publish it. So the whole world can see it because that's what you actually care about. You can say it's about my health but all you actually care about is what other people think that is not true anti. Yes it is and you micromanage everything and it's not just me now the dead sick you get to do it to him and you love it. To your Sweeney. Welcome to Bulls I. Don't know who to identify in that. Clip. Joe Good. I agree I agree. Yeah. I think your character in the scene in the show at large is so she's she's a real mix of like passive aggressive but also really loving genuinely concerns. Or that's how I see her is is that how you here? Yeah, it's it's been actually great worship test for people because sometimes people say who you play the mother on shrill she's so are able. Only is she am I is the character. Pretty close to what? I I not totally by. That you know it's she is sympathetic. Actually I really appreciate they made her so sympathetic I probably would have made her more of a monster because my mother and I paddled about my weight writing coming out of the womb, my mother seven pounds four, four four. I think you were really hogging down in there. I think you could. Let's get a time to seven. Yeah, exactly. So, my own experience was with such up not passive aggressive mom just aggressive mom about weight that to me my character in shrill is very close to what I would be I think. I don't know what's hard to tell. I try to be very accepting about people's bodies but sure. At our mother yourself, do you do you think that passive aggression is just sort of inherent to parenting? Well. Okay. Let me to stand up for passive aggressiveness. Aggressiveness gave US Civilization Okay You know there are times when. You don't want to just be aggressively telling somebody what you think. So I mean of course. Yes. Parenting a big parenting is trying to get your message across without being. Putting someone on the spot, putting them in a defensive position letting them know what you think without. Putting them in a position where they have to say, they disagree even more of that are is a central art and the Senate art parenting. So it's within that range I think on shrill but it has been interesting because some people think she's a horror and so people think she's sympathetic mostly the people who were my age thinks she's sympathetic I would say. and. I do do some pretty awful things that was really fun to play But in general I guess, I, just appreciate it's a more nuanced. Role than it could have been could have been really awful. Absolutely, yeah. You kind of frame passive aggression as the superego our way of interacting with the world that kind of meets in the middle between what society wants from us and what we might want ourselves. Right and the other thing is there's something's only mother can say I mean like. There are some things that I feel like responsibility to say because I believe other people. Would Think, oh, I, can't say something but your mother should definitely say. All right you know like I I mean, really in my situation, it isn't about wait. That's not our issue but there are certain things like that. You WanNa let somebody know I mean. So it's very complicated to be a mom and you pretty much never GonNa win I was just saying to someone because I don't have kids myself and I was saying it seems like the project of parenting is pretending you don't know better when you probably know better. Yes it's true. Looks Good. Do you find that in your own relationship with your own daughter or with your own mother? Now. Well, with my own is such a different relationship now than it was because she sort of she's declining on her memories going. So she's It's more like I'm her mom I take care of her money and I talked to the nurses where she's at you know. The growing up my mother was very critical of me and how I looked and was really really did only care what other people thought. Well she I don't know she knew the difference between what other people thought in what she thought I think she I think to be heavy was the absolute worst send that any woman could ever make. Reason that you could make the reason why it was such a big San. Was Of course not for health reasons it was because you wouldn't get as good of a Mayan. As you're you're thin and an in her world that was success was sneering successful man and. In her mind, successful men were looking for slim women. So when I was in highschool started gaining weight, it really was a catastrophe in our family like there were notes on the door and trips to the doctor and. Diets and Oh. Wow. Okay. Not Very heavy so. Shrill. I'm pretty like I'd say like, wow, this mom's pretty good. She's. Not She's not saying it outright what more do you want from her exactly I know like we're unsure it'd be like well I. Don't know if I'd wear that top with his pants. My mom would say you look fat and you look terrible and from the side, it's the worst. So. Then when you I read this script that is by The that is about Lindy West who may have gone through some of the same things you did was that a breath of fresh air to kind of see that reflected. Oh Yeah. It really was and Lindy. I talks a lot about it and her mom was difficult and you know her mom's about my age so. Like there's different generations going on here Her mom was different. I think because her mom actually sound a lot better than my mom but her mom was in nurse or is a nurse. So it was all framed as health. My mother never said the word health, my entire growing up. There's nothing about health. It was all about just how you looked. So We'll speaking of your growing up You're probably best known as an actor and a comedian, my my favorite Julia Sweeney Staff is your writing and your one woman shows. Ed You Oh yes. An in particular. You did this one woman show called letting go of God and it's this personal story about becoming an atheist and it begins with you telling the story about coming into the kitchen on the morning of your seventh birthday. We have a clip here. On the morning of my seventh birthday, I came downstairs to the kitchen where my mother was washing the dishes and my father was reading the paper and I sort of presented myself to them in the doorway and they said, hey, happy birthday and I said I'm seven and my father smiled and said, well, you know that means don't you and I said, yeah, I'm GonNa have a party and a cake and give a lot of presents and my dad said well, yes. Importantly being seven means that you've reached the age of reason, and you're now capable of committing any and all sins against God and man. Amazing so When you were first doing this show was what two thousand seven. No it was like two, thousand, four own Mike Actually filmed it in two thousand. Six or seven, I can't remember. Okay. So back. In the olden days? Yes. It was a little scarier to talk about being an atheist in public is. A little little less taboo. So were you scared at the time? Yeah. I did not like the word atheist it was sort of I. Felt a little bit like it was coming out of the closet and having a negative ceiling pout being gave like people. I know who've experienced that that was ducks the closest feeling. That I'm heard from other people like I don't WanNa be this thing I've had a negative connotations with this word. And yet. I just can't pretend anymore that I'm not that and it was further difficult because. It, was it wasn't like it would have been easier well, I'm not trying to minimize people who are in the closet and had a difficult time coming out 'cause I know I know that is really hard. But for me you know I can thinking you can just decide to believe or you can just you can fake belief a lot more easily than you can fake sexual attraction to you know someone of the opposite sex if you're not attracted to them, I think that's your nature intervenes. But with being an atheist, it just seemed like it'd be so easy to fake it. And or just be like most people. I. Know Are, which is they don't even know their eighth theus they're just not religious in don't think about it. That would have been easier to so it was hard to. Come out and just say that word and that word. Now I'm comfortable with it but at the beginning, it was hard to say that Word Yeah what do you think the reception would be like if you did that today in twenty twenty instead of two, thousand and four. When some ways it would have been worse because now that the new atheists have come and spend a whole movement. There's also been a backlash to that movement which hadn't happened either you know what? I mean song now I feel like. The people that aren't going to sink through deeply which by the way this must be. I'm but who are generally living in a scientific world and our modern people? Would probably feel more negatively about me saying that now. Because they would say oh Are you like those. That are really right wing people or whatever libertarian radius. So that might have been harder actually actually. That's interesting. Yeah We did go through this. This moment culturally were all these books came out and all these people were sort banging the drum of atheism and. I would think in some ways that opens doors to this conversation but you're right. The downside is you accidentally associate yourself with the people speaking the message, right? I mean partly, it's my own fault that I didn't push it more but they're so few women in this that are outspoken atheist there are some there's lots of, but there is not nearly as many as there are guys. So it's an easy to be harsh about grew and to categorize I don't know. I feel glad that I didn't have that to worry about when I did it. It was really a genuine show I really followed. My belief where it took me and took me was not to believe and then that changed my entire life once I realized that in. Positive. Way In it's hard to think of one negative way, but it really transformed my life dramatically and. I didn't have to worry about that part of the baggage. What do you think now to breezy? Sixty. Home. Just, you just made it your final council for your actions. Congratulations. So, funny because. I have so many. Doubts. About free will itself even though that's misunderstood by so many people and so I don't know how responsible anyone is or anything but. Links. Thirty. I'm not saying an age there is no age and speaking of God's, of course you are You have a big role coming up in American Gods Season Yuri I. I would say seven or eight of the ten episodes and. Yeah I have very important part and it was really fun and I I did dram. I did drama. I. Well, I'm kind of a nutty Oh lady who owns a store in his busy body in the town. But as the season progresses, it becomes quite serious and I can't really reveal it because all mysterious what happens and I can't say but that Oh my Gosh I had so much fun doing it. I love it so much and. I have to tell you that being sixty as an actress is the greatest thing that could ever happen because. Yeah it. Oh my gosh. Yes. For me I mean. Because the parts I'm playing now. I mean, there was just such a to go back to the weight issue. There was so much pressure to be pretty thin and I was always kind of in between I was never I had a manager went saying you would get a lot more work if you'd either lose or gain thirty pounds. and. Now, no one cares about that and it's really just about what I can deliver and my. Characters are quirkier an otter. And I feel really comfortable in my skin and it's just I'm so glad I lived Beavis h because I had so much fun. The last couple of years and I've done a lot of acting on shows and I? Just. had. A nervousness a preoccupation with worry about how I looked if I was sexy enough or whatever enough and that is completely gone and it's like be let out of prison and it makes me a better actor to because I'm completely. Doing the part and it's just a joy. How new is that? Did it just come with sixty? It really started two years ago when I I will say took ten years off to raise my daughter be housewife, my life's dream which. And And then when she went to. College I moved back to La my husband retired. We start we we took up the elder part of our lives and is went out and started auditions shrill, and then work in progress, which is long story, but it's kind of involved in the inception of that and I'm so proud to be on that show than American gods and I did a Brooklyn nine nine and I did voiceover. I just got a lot of work right away like it was a big shock and in some ways I feel like. Hollywood was waiting for me to get old. I think I had an old person vibe when I was younger and it was very confusing. And now, I just am old. Together now. You caught up. Up that's really interesting is to see that because you have such a such a huge cerebral minds and it comes through in everything you do I feel like if you hadn't been a funny person, you would have been a college professor or philosopher or something like that. What did you say? I totally. Think me. Yeah. Will my first the first thing I wanted to be so much a history professor because I have this incredible history professor at the University of Washington where I went to school in his note taker. So I took ancient mediaeval modern. Every year for four years because the first year actually, and then I was the note tinker in you got. You got fifty bucks a class or maybe it was a success but it was nice. Write up the notes in class and then distribute them. and. So the old days, Goffin type up the notes and then maybe our grass. And I loved him so much, Dr Bridgman. And I took every class he taught which he happened to be an expert in German history. So I took every class that I could possibly take that he taught which is mostly You know. The unification of Germany in eighteen seventy three. How did BISMARCK changed? Germany. Those kind of classes and I with semi colons in the title. And I wanted to be him because he was a performer, he would teach these classes. You know the survey classes would have seven hundred people in them and he was funny and he would straight across the stage and he would deliver his lectures and I was just like that's for me and in a way I. Wish I got to live another life so I could've been that. Let's that's interesting because I kind of see the echoes of that in your monologue gang that they're. They are performance they are entertainment, but they also have this fundamental aspect of education. Yeah I mean. I do. Even though right now with in and staying home and I. I'm so happy to be home in spite of horrendous stuff that's happening in the world keeps me up at night. But in the day I'm feeling happy to be home But I do and I'm thinking I'm going to stop performing in just right 'cause I'm doing a lot of writing and I'm really loving it. Takes. A lot of energy to perform. You'd have to theater you have to give audience you have to sell tickets us it's just a lot. But the ideas I keep having ideas for shows like I WANNA do a show called the Bible. Is Fascinating leave it or not, and I would love to I was thinking I'd love to do a show just called in drudge just talking about. The difference biological differences between men and women and? What we know right now, what we don't know and how different cultures handle those differences. And perceived those differences in people how different cultures have? Some Matriarchal Patriarchal, attacked that difficult question of non binary stuff. So differently. and. I Don lots and lots of reading about that. There's a lot of interesting and funny stuff about that i. it just seems like that would be a fun show to do. Yes. Is that something you would do with a non binary performer then? No I think it would be me like a teacher. You know like my would be explaining what I've learned and what was funny about it and how we could maybe think of it things differently because it wouldn't be just about. Non Binary people it would be about all of us and our sexuality and how it's reflected in culture and so forth. My I'm saying that and William saying m thinking don't see that Chile because you're never gonNA do that show. More with Julia Sweeney still to come another new show she's appeared in is called work in progress in it. She plays a fictionalized version of herself west to answer for the damage done by one of her most well-known Saturday night live characters pat. More about that, after the break, it's Bullseye for maximum fund dot org and NPR. Until recently Edmund Hong says, he didn't speak out against racism because he was scared. Listen now on the codes which podcast from NPR. Welcome back Bullseye I'm Jesse Thorn. Our guest is Julia Sweeney the comic actor and writer is starring in the TV shows work in progress and shrill which are airing on showtime and Hulu respectively She's being interviewed by Kerry poppy the host of the podcast Ono Rawson carry let's get back into the conversation. Juliette is perhaps best known for her work on Saturday night live in the early nineteen nineties. Her most recognizable character from that time was pat as shy insecure person who's sparks confusion in most people they meet due to their androgynous appearance. In recent years, there's been more of a criticism of the character actor. Abby mcenaney was one of those people who didn't care for pats she. Created the TV series work in progress and wrote a fictionalized version of Julia into the show where she would meet and be confronted by a fictionalized version. Of Abbey, in this clip, abby is on a date at a restaurant when she sees Julia Abby is overcome with anxiety about confronting her and passes out at the restaurant when she comes to, she enjoys meet and talk about path. To think, maybe you should have some water. It's mostly water. Well. Again I'm so sorry you know you don't have to be sorry we're good now I feel I feel Darabi just it's so weird to meet you in real life and be with you. You're caretake. PAT which is part of my life for so long and and pretty badly. So it's just Oh God let. People. Suck Yeah. They do. I'm so sorry, I'm fine with it. I'm not fine with it I feel terrible I didn't mean it to be mean I think I was really naive. And now I'm like use. You mean. ooh. Man. So how were you approached about this project? Was it already on the page or was it a conversation? It was just a conversation abby came to my I was working on a one person show in Chicago at second city and I was doing shows every Sunday night and she came to the show and we met and I love journalists so early and she told me that she had also done a one person show about her life and her friend Tim who is with her at my show I was still being sorta some vignettes from it. It wasn't even a pilot than it was just like, okay. Here's the scene. They just kind of describe the scene. And I was like, okay, I'll do it and they were so happy loosely I mean to me I just remember how much we all bonded. We had such a similar point of view about everything anyway we still not seen. They filmed other scenes they cut it together. It became a PRI-. I. They were saying it was going to be websites when I shot it I thought it was just going to be a website or something I didn't allow even understand. Then, they submitted sundance at the end and which isn't crazy crazy. 'cause they you know they take pilots now but only twelve and so I went to Sundance and I think. Only, account was on board by then and. We pounded the pavement because I was the only name inet you know and I got some attention and the the main thing is the show itself is so good. I mean, they actually didn't need me or anybody I mean the show so got an. Yes should turn on it so That's what I kind of ended up an executive producer on it, but because I was there at the beginning. That's amazing. So you are making a web series and you end up at Sundance as an EP showtime. Major I know. It was really. Amazing it was amazing I'm so proud of that show because I love Abbie I. Think it's really different show. It's like I think it's the it's just what I know of that of the. Gay Community. It's it rings true to me from my own experience and from Abby, and her friends and. And compared to. A. Lot of other gay-themed shows it seems. Like. So, much more real. And I'm I just I'm so proud to be associated with it and I have a little part in and you know I'm an executive producer for. Title I. I really just kind of happy to be around it. That's like a Hollywood story that on las never happens. And it's just I'm just so happy that happened to Abbey and I'm so happy that it happened to me. Yet strikes me as I mean a little bit brave I'm sorry used the word but little brave to sort of face your the criticism of your own character head on in that way. From me was an opportunity because I started hearing the grumblings about pat and I of course I thought really defensive and I'm still somewhat defensive because I think. People misunderstood the character, but I also think. I misunderstood the community also like I get everything that negative that I've read except for when people think I was trying to. Humiliate people who were drowsiness. That's absolutely not what I was doing that. That is completely not what I was trying to do in any way but I. But I would say of all the criticism I've read I just read it and think I agree with you a hundred percent. I totally agree. And in a way though it's such, a wonderful sign of America has changed. Is Kinda like. Actually just read this in a note is going through right my I'm a big journal writer as going through one of looking for stand up ideas for something last week, and I saw thing that Michael had said to my husband Michael saying the Dave Pat is not funny at all is the day that America has finally grown up. Which is true. That's absolutely true and I thought such a good insight it the fact that it was so popular shows you. The problem. I. Mean Fair enough. It's just it's very modest of you to see it that way well. I mean part of it was that I was trying to do something that no one realizes is during two because to me pat isn't non binary. Is Male or female, but is oblivious to how pat comes off to other people. That's what I thought. The joke was so to me, that was funny. I actually still think that's funny. But and then the, and then of course, the laughing was people seeing other people confused as them and uncomfortable, and then that pat was so Bolivia's to that uncomfortableness that's where I found the comedy. But at Christmas kind of getting into the weeds of the comic construction of it, it is true that it was laughing at somebody that you couldn't tell if it was a manner. And that's also true you know and that is. Terrible byproduct of what I understood what I was doing, but I didn't really understand so. I've had my own education. Yeah I feel that there is a way to see in particular. It's pat the film away to see that as making fun of society's preoccupation with Jesus. Bit I mean what? One of the characters literally goes insane because yes, he can't figure out. PAT's gender and pat of course, doesn't care as pat shouldn't. Right. and I totally see that that point of view in that intention in there I wonder then if if some of the problem is that comedy can be used in so many ways used as a cudgel community satire. Come used to uplift to use to bring down. So it kind of hands this tool to anyone who will take it. Yeah I think it's one of those things where it worked on many levels like looking back on it. I think will now understand so much more about the patriarchy I mean like I did not understand cultural history like I should have but. When I was doing it and so I had an instinct for wait for me. I don't really care if people are men or women I mean I don't I was shocked that people cared that much whether pounds manual. So in some ways, I was on the side of who cares. Cares till you sweeney. Thank you for coming to. Bullseye. You so much Gary. Julia Sweeney Catcher on Hulu. Or showtimes work in progress. You can see her on stage when stage performances are again F ing. That's the end of another episode of Bullseye Bullseye is produced from the homes of the staff of maximum fund in and around Greater Los Angeles California where the maximum fund team ordered a cameo for our colleague Katie Wegmans birthday the subject of that Cameo Video Message Eve, the Cow Star from Kelley records I cap. Our show is produced by speaking into microphones are producers, Kevin Ferguson Hey, Soussan, Brosio in Jordan cowling are associate producers we get help from Casey. O'Brien are interstitial music is by Dan Wally also known as Dj w our theme song is by the go team to them and their label Memphis Industries for letting US use it you can also keep up with the show on facebook twitter and youtube just search for Bullseye with Jesse far. I think that's about it just remember all radio hosts have a signature signed. Bullseye with Jesse Thorn is a production of maximum. Dot Org is distributed by NPR.

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How light pollution impacts animals

The Science Show

07:26 min | 11 months ago

How light pollution impacts animals

"But if we do get ads in the sky would it be just a pain in the cosmos for astronomers like eight an amy? O'brien Cox? No more than them. Try Turtles Baby Ones. Here's Dr Kelli Pandoli. Who's in Perth and helps run the Australasian Dark Sky Alliance? So what's that so it's a group of people that interested in protecting the sky that came together following a conference scene sorting springs in New South? Wales come easy guy. Artificial audit not conference than we all realized at the end of that those enough interest in the country and across different disciplines that we needed to get together somehow and and become the group. It's the experts on. Protecting ducks go and advocating for scores in Australia. Citing springer's ways. The Mountain is where the anglo-australian telescope is. And it's wonderfully clear isn't did you can actually see the sky. But what problem. Were you trying to solve problem? We HAVE IS HEAD. We reduce and stop lot pollution. So there's all sorts of reasons why you want to do it but basically it's to reduce scarred live from lots from any sort of human sources basically is this all. I WanNa Miss No. It's not I mean. Astronomers actually drive this to begin with because of their need to be able to observe stars and lot pollution started growing twenty thirty years ago they. The ones started become vocal about it but nobody else kid back then because lots. Good lots what we need not in. It's what makes us feel like rich. Western societies illuminate. The Not and we can do things light into the Naughton. It's sort of an indication of wealth. But more and more wavelength that this law did not impacts whole range of different other receptors humans wildlife and heritage value the not scores and things like that so and turtles. How do they come into it? So turtles probably the poster child for lot pollution because we've nine hell lot impacts on turtles and specifically head. Schlink's since nineteen eleven and some court hookah in the states did some studies with hatchlings improve. The Lot was distracting the hatchlings when they were leaving the in trying to find the ocean the queues. I used to find the ocean is as I leave the nest looking for the lowest slightest horizon and they moving away from the tool stock Kosta Rawson and so that drives him see. Because it's always a little bit lottery over the I-e-she even with no moon star still illuminate the ocean just enough so it's just slightly brought up and so when we put lot seen land all of a sudden they can't see that. Lo Lot horizon anymore so the Holy Land get run over broadcasts and eight NBA. Fox's in dogs and just dry up and die but even with I always you surely out of town you have enough light to disturb them yes. It's not point sources of law so people off just shield a lot. That's fun it's a glow that the law generates in so when you add lots and lots of points of ought together. They create a glow in the sky. And you can see it when you long y y from Earth or some CD. In look back in concede dime of light over the city. And that's what they looking at. And they're responding to that dime of light and that glow in the Sky. They're integrating looking at the horizon about one hundred ninety degrees around in two degrees high and so whatever lot is in that field of view. That's what they're gonNA cruel tools and you've watched them yes of each doing it where what supplies. Barrow all right. We do a lot of work the even now we still do all the work for Chevron and on other islands in the Pool Brab Port Hedland. My leg hosts. Dan Ran on Soy Ovo Saddam. This sort of work. I mean Queensland and overseas so actually gone with your light meter Iran wipe it around and say no. This is too bright for the Turtles. And you tell the big company and what they do next more and more like Jesus. We need to do something about this twenty thirty years ago everyone to go kill you and you lot. He liked whereas now people are paying more attention. I think because everyone's realizing that shit value you know turtles inform important this social responsibility so more and more outside i. What do we need to do? How do we manage a lot since? Oh we look at the lot. Sit there and now with old fashioned lauding. Being convicted of the led's it's great opportunity to try and manage those lots be better so a luckily because it's so easy to manage in control you can turn them on and off instantly which you couldn't do with the old lights and you can change. Cala of them and the intensity and you can head motion sensors on them and use US some well then they're good solution and they're also very directional so whereas the fashion lauding scattered everywhere all over the shop hundred three hundred sixty degrees. Led's are very very focused. So they're a good solution. Yeah remove a number of people saying why do you want to send light up into the sky where it's useless one and you make sure it's down pointing downwards where it is useful whereas wanted instead of wasting a third of it. Yeah exactly and so that. Waste in the sky. So fix a turtle's. That's what fix fledgling she orders. Because when I takeoff for the first flight after they've fledged from the nest they fly towards set and crash into buildings and and lot polls and things like that the other thing with that wastage every lots on and building anything. Why and the energy that you need to generate to create that lot consumes oil and guests and things like that which produce greenhouse gases so we putting a huge amount of greenhouse gases into the atmosphere to lots on that night tonight. Buddy fennell reason I turned twenty six lodge in the way into the officers morning. They exactly so you get solar panels to have free clean energy or you. Can you lot set? Do you get compelled by these people at all. Yes we've recently started to talk with some companies in the Malays. Tibet helping with lauding John for a big development on the Red Sea when not lighting designers. People that are experts to that professionals but my group and I as biologists we provided voice to those engineers and developers to make sure that they put the right lighting in reducer impacts. You telling me the shakes like turtles as well. Apparently they do. The King of Saudi does and he's told he's chain that the we'll build this development but they will also protect he's tools and the night sky. Amazing of Dakata me. But anyway we're going to do the best. We can have also asked us to come over and help train them in how to do studies with hatchlings. We Call Them. Marina studies where we really see on the beach and we made sure with God and a control conditions and so if this light around. I'll crawl towards weaned. Click them and do stats on their little tracks and things like that. So yeah we're GONNA do a bit of that this year. I think so. Good luck and should be fun. I wasn't going to go you know. I don't WanNA female. But they caught me to come sign when bring one of the boys from the office? In 'em go to get the Red Sea talk to Kelly Pendulum in Perth. She's from the Australasian. Dark Sky. Alliance the side show on our in.

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Introducing the Moment

Whimsically Volatile

07:49 min | 1 year ago

Introducing the Moment

"Hey everyone it's Craig. I WanNa tell you a little bit about a new show from our POWs over at wondering one is the company that brought you Dr Death the wonderland murders and so many more their new show is called the moment. What's it about well? It's about how from dating to a falling in love to the stress of planning a wedding there is no perfect relationship and no perfect paths to follow but along the way there are some great stories it's hosted by Ingrid Hawes and it's generally light-hearted but sometimes serious exploration of the beautiful and complicated thing thing we call love by using real life stories as the jumping off point ingrid explores all the facets of love and relationships and looks for answers to the questions that plague so many of us like will I ever find someone and how will I know when I found that right person and how how the hell does anyone get to happily ever after anyway or other questions which might have nothing to do with those three but everyone has questions about relationships and our views on relationships as you know from the show that we do are always shifting so it's a nice way to hear the stories of other the people and how they found their path to happiness and oftentimes it's the complete opposite of what so many people think is the standard way of achieving that kind of happiness and you'll hear in the upcoming clip about a gentleman who was really trying hard to find love and it. was going terribly wrong but an inspirational tweet from one of his favorite pop star's helped turn around and then through basically focusing on himself he was able to find true love and you can hear more about how Rawson Alex eventually found each other in the upcoming clip and another the question that might be bugging you is where can I go to hear the rest of the moment. Well go to apple PODCASTS spotify or wherever you're listening to this right now. Guess what there's also a link in the episode notes for this preview so now check out the clip from the first episode of the moment hosted by Ingrid Hawes. Alex Goldschmidt had just gone on a really bad day in New York City. It was sort of one of those nights where I was just like all right this. Is it lake either happening or it's not happening. This wasn't the first time dating in your twenties can feel like a parade of awkward. Confusing moments and tonight wasn't any different. It was just not happening with this guy and so I was walking home and I had drank some wine hi and I I tweeted something. That was a little like depressing and sad. I tweeted I pride myself on still thinking love can be like a romantic comedy but sometimes I just think I'm behind and just won't catch up. I mean I had let's. Talking about red wine like I had had some red wine cap I was in my Felix moment. After Alex sent that tweet he put his phone in his pocket and didn't think about it again but then the most magical rum comey thing ever happened Taylor swift the Taylor swift side and replied to him. She responded to that tweet saying go read Gaga tweet that she sent me a few months ago. It's good love luck because it's not a tweet. It's a magical ethical spell. If you're wondering why Taylor Swift followed Alex on twitter don't worry we'll get into that but it's not because he's famous. He's just a regular guy who really loves Taylor Swift. He followed her on twitter religiously. Tour a few months prior had tweeted out. Is it just me or is lady Gaga like fully living right now hashtag goals but lady Gaga responded to that tweet and said wow you're a sweetheart. Life is friends family and love. If we all see that in you your prince charming will come it was a spell that had brought Taylor good luck and now she was passing it on and she told me you're going to find someone. You can't believe exists and they'll feel the exact same way about you. I'm serious. Yes for whatever reason tonight's trash fire of a bad day was a turning point for Alex and Taylor Swift's advice was exactly what he needed to hear. I had that Aha moment of like you know what I'm done. Come done. I'm done craving love like this. Let me just wait until love finds me and it was his twitter exchange with Taylor that finally brought this all home for Alex. One of the biggest stars on the planet who I look up to an adore sees it because she randomly followed me on twitter. What is the likelihood that this would happen like this? This all seems like fate or or or like something bigger happening. I woke up the next morning and I was like cool. I'm GONNA that focus on my career focused on loving where I live. I'm going to focus on loving every day of my life. I'm just going to focus on like being happy. It will come when it's meant to come Alex was through with love at least for now. He wasn't gonNA worry about finding someone else except when Taylor swift has cast a sort of magical spell on you. It's out of your hands. Your true love is bound to come along. From one very I'm Ingrid Haase and this is the moment this is episode. One the Taylor swift of it all I just got engaged congrats to me and while my engagement story looks amazing on Social Media I will say that love is all magic in fact the relationships that work in my life have used almost zero witchcraft at all and believe give me into witchcraft. I mean I've done it all. I've put crystals Oliver my body praying for the one to come so I'm coming from a real place. I'm down with magic but this series isn't just about the magic of love it's also about the hard work. The unexpected turns love and relationships relationships. Take it's about what it takes for you or me or anyone to get to happily ever after it's so hard to meet the person we want to spend the rest of our lives with. I'm no spring chicken. I've dated. It's a nightmare out there. It took me four or failed relationships and approximately one thousand awful Internet dates and then once you find them. You're in a constant state of anx wondering if they feel the same way about you if you made the right choice if we both want the same things and that. Fuelling doesn't always go away once your relationship Mike the afternoon. My fiance proposed was magical. It was by a waterfall on the other side of the planet in New Zealand. The pictures are stunning but what they don't show you is the meltdown I have have the day before where I refuse to leave my bed because I was convinced he was never going to ask me to marry him. The only witness was restrained or my fiance handed his camera to she realized what was happening around the same time I did and kept shouting. Oh my God oh my God but she got the shot and I have that video forever so if you're listening thank you. Why do we feel the need to hike out to waterfalls in the world's most beautiful places just to ask someone a question and what's the right way to show someone how much we love them? <hes> does it even matter and in the case of Alex Goldschmidt there was some magic Taylor swift gave him hope and then eventually one of her songs would inspire his marriage proposal in true Taylor fashion it was bigger and better than he could have ever imagined imagine just like ruined puzzles for everyone they're like how am I supposed to propose thou that was like <hes> sorry. That's a lie. He's not sorry at all but before Alex could put.

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Introducing the Moment

And That's Why We Drink

07:19 min | 1 year ago

Introducing the Moment

"Hello lovely listeners. Hello it is time to lighten up a little bit. All these true crime. You're listening to Christine. Zone is probably making you a little paranoid so how about some true love come on from wondering the creators of over my dead body and doctor death superlight comes a new show called the moment where no one dies and people actually love each other. What a concept I like in this case? Let's go from the really dark morbid to like the exact opposite and test the waters Chai it hosted by newly engaged comedian and actress Ingrid Haas the moment is a comedic exploration of the beautiful and complicated things we call love. There is always a little bit of chaos hidden behind every happily ever after. Can I get an amen a and each episode of the moment explores a different couples journey to the altar detailing one specific moment that things fell into place these are stories complete with grand romantic gestures surrendering to love. Don't always for one couple Taylor swift even shows up to lend a hand Taytay. Eh shutout taste fifty. Check out this clip of the moment and the star studded story of Rawson Alex you can find the moment on apple podcast spotify or wherever you're listening right now. There's also a link in the episode notes Enjoy Fun Fact Alex Goldschmidt had just gone on a really bad day in New York City. It was sort of one of those nights where I was just like all right this. Is it like it's either happening or it's not happening. This wasn't the first time dating in your twenties can feel like a parade of awkward. Confusing moments and tonight wasn't any different. It was just not happening with this guy and so I was walking home and I had drank some wine tonight. I tweeted something that was a little depressing and sad. I tweeted I pride myself on still thinking love can be like a romantic comedy but sometimes I just think I'm behind and just won't catch up. I mean I had let's like we're talking about. Red Wine like I had had some red wine cap. I was in my feeling that moment after Alex sent that tweet he put his phone in his pocket and didn't think about it again but then the most magical rum commie thing ever happened. Taylor swift the Taylor swift site and replied to him. She responded to that tweet saying go read Gaga tweet that she sent me a few months ago. It's good love luck because it's not a tweet. It's a magical Michael Spell. If you're wondering why Taylor Swift followed Alex on twitter don't worry we'll get into that but it's not because he's famous. He's just a regular guy who really loves Taylor Swift. He followed her on twitter religiously Taylor. A few months prior had tweeted out. Is it just me or is lady Gaga like fully living right now hashtag goals but lady Gaga respondents that tweet and said wow you're a sweetheart life is friends family and love. We all see that in you your prince charming will come. It was a spell that had brought Taylor good luck and now she was passing it on and she told me you're going to find someone. You can't believe exists and they'll feel the exact same way about you. I'm serious us for whatever reason tonight's trash fire of a bad day was a turning point for Alex and Taylor Swift's advice was exactly what he needed to hear. I had that Aha moment of like you know what I'm done. I'm done. I'm done craving love like this. Let me just wait until love finds me and it was his twitter exchange with Taylor that finally brought this all home for Alex one of the biggest stars on the planet who I look up to and adore sees it because she randomly followed me on twitter. What is the likelihood that this would happen like this? This all seems like fate or or or like something bigger happening. I woke up the next morning and I was like cool. I'M GONNA focus on my career focused on loving where I live. I'm going to focus on loving every day of my life. I'm just going to focus on like being happy. It will come when it's meant to come Alex was through with love at least for now. He wasn't gonNA worry about finding someone else except when Taylor swift has cast a sort of magical spell on you. It's out of your hands. Your true love is bound to come along. From one three I'm Ingrid Hawes and this is the moment this is episode. One the Taylor Swift of at all I just got engaged congrats to me and while my engagement story looks amazing on Social Media I will say that love is in all magic in fact the relationships that work in my life have used almost zero witchcraft at all and believe me I'm into witchcraft. I mean I've done it all. I've put crystals Oliver my body praying for the one to come so I'm coming from a real place. I'm down with magic but this series isn't just about the magic of love it's also about the hard work. The unexpected turns love and relationships relationships. Take it's about what it takes for you or me or anyone to get to happily ever after it's so hard to meet the person we want to spend the rest of our lives with. I'm no spring chicken. I've dated. It's a nightmare out there. It took me four or failed relationships and approximately one thousand awful Internet dates and then once you find them. You're in a constant state of anx wondering if they feel the same way about you if you made the right choice if we both want the same things and that feeling. Ceiling doesn't always go away once your relationship Mike the afternoon. My fiance proposed was magical. It was by a waterfall on the other side of the planet in New Zealand. The pictures are stunning but what they don't show you is the meltdown I had the day before where I refuse to leave my bed because I was convinced he was never going to ask me to marry him. The only witness was restrained. You're my fiance handed his camera to. She realized what was happening around the same time I did and kept shouting. Oh my God oh my God but she got the shot and I have that video forever so if you're listening thank you. Why do we feel the need to hike out to waterfalls in the world's most beautiful places just to ask someone a question and what's the right way to show someone how much we love them? mm-hmm does it even matter and in the case of Alex Goldschmidt there was some magic Taylor swift gave him hope and then eventually one of her songs would inspire his marriage proposal in true Taylor fashion it was bigger and better than he could have ever imagined Agean. We're just like ruined puzzles for everyone they're like. How am I supposed to propose thou that was like sorry that's a lie? He's not sorry at all but before Alex could put a.

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Introducing The Moment

Chrisley Confessions

07:07 min | 1 year ago

Introducing The Moment

"From dating to falling in love to the stress of planning a wedding and Lord knows we know all about that there's no perfect relationship and no perfect pat to follow but there are some great stories out there wonder his new series the moment <unk> hosted by Ingrid Haas is a comedic exploration of the beautiful uncomplicated thing we call love through the Lens of some epic Real Life Love Stories Ingrid will look for answers to the questions that keep us up at night. Will I ever find someone. How will I know when I found the right person? And how does anybody really get the happily ever after anymore. The moment share stories complete with grand romantic gestures surrendering rendering to love and for one couple Taylor swift even shows up to lend a hand check out this clip of the moment and the super adorable story of Rawson Alex you can find the moment on apple podcasts spotify. Are Wherever you're listening right now. There's also a link in the episode notes. Alex Goldschmidt had just gone on a really bad day in New York City. It was sort of one of those nights where I was just like all right this. Is it like it's either happening or it's not happening. This wasn't the first time dating in your twenties can feel like a parade of awkward. Confusing moments and tonight wasn't any different. It was just not happening with this guy I and so I was walking home and I had drank some wine and I I tweeted something. That was a little depressing and sad I tweeted I pride myself on still thinking love can be like a romantic comedy but sometimes I just think I'm behind and just won't catch up. I mean I let's when we're talking about red wine like I had had some red wine. Can I was in my feelings a moment after Alex sent that tweet he put his phone in his pocket and didn't think about it again but then and the most magical rum comey thing ever happened Taylor swift the Taylor swift side and replied to him she responded to that tweet saying go read Gog US tweet that she sent me a few months ago. Now it's good luck because it's not a tweet. It's a magical spell. If you're wondering why Taylor Swift followed Alex on twitter don't worry we'll get into that but it's not because he's famous. He's just a regular guy who really loves Taylor Swift. He followed her on twitter. Religiously Taylor of a few months prior had tweeted out. Is it just me or is lady Gaga like fully living right now hashtag goals but lady Gaga responded to that tweet and said wow wow you're a sweetheart. Life is friends family and love. We all see that in you your prince charming will come. It was a spell that had brought Taylor good luck and now she was passing it on and she told me you're going to find someone. You can't believe exists and they'll feel the exact same way about you. I'm serious for whatever reason tonight's trash fire of a bad day was a turning point for Alex and Taylor Swift's advice was exactly what he needed to hear. I had that Aha. Aha moment of like you know what I'm done. I'm done. I'm done craving love like this. Let me just wait until love finds me and it was his twitter exchange with Taylor that finally brought this all home for Alex one of the biggest stars on the planet who I look up to in a door sees it because she randomly followed me on twitter. What is the likelihood that this would happen like this? This all seems like fate or or or like something bigger happening. Uh I woke up the next morning and I was like cool. I'M GONNA focus on my career focus on loving where I live. I'M GONNA focus on loving every day of my life. I'm just going to focus on like being happy. It will come when it's meant to come Alex was through with love at least for now. He wasn't going to worry about finding someone else except when Taylor swift has cast a sort of magical spell on you. It's out of your hands. Your true love is bound to come along from one DRI. I'm Ingrid Hawes and this is the moment this is. Episode one the Taylor Swift at all I just got engaged congrats to me and while my engagement story looks amazing on Social Media I will say that love is in all magic impact. The relationships work in my life have used almost zero witchcraft at all and believe me I'm into witchcraft. I mean I've done it all. I've put crystals Oliver my body praying for the one to come so I'm coming from a real place. I'm down with magic but this series isn't just about the magic of love. It's it's also about the hard work. The unexpected turns love and relationships. Take it's about what it takes for you or me or anyone to get to happily ever after it's so hard to meet the person we want to spend the rest of our lives with. I'm no spring ring chicken. I've dated. It's a nightmare there. It took me four failed relationships and approximately one thousand awful Internet dates and then once you find them. You're in a constant state of anx wondering if they feel the same way about you if you made the right. I choice if we both want the same things and that feeling doesn't always go away once. You're in a relationship might the afternoon. My fiance proposed was magical. It was by a waterfall on the other side of the planet in New Zealand. The pictures pictures are stunning but what they don't show you is the meltdown I have the day before where I refuse to leave my bed because I was convinced he was never going to ask me to marry him. The only witness was restrained or my fiance handed his camera to she realized what was happening around the same same time I did and kept shouting. Oh my God oh my God but she got the shot and I have that video forever so if you're listening thank you. Why do we feel the need to hike out to waterfalls in the world's most beautiful places just to ask someone someone question and what's the right way to show someone how much we love them? Does it even matter and in the case of Alex Goldschmidt there was some magic Taylor swift gave him hope and then eventually one of her songs would inspire his marriage proposal in true Taylor fashion. It was bigger and better than he could have ever imagined. So what do people out to you. Were just like ruined puzzles for everyone they're like. How am I supposed to propose now? That was like sorry.

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ZBT #140: Reds, Whites & Blue

Zero Blog Thirty

1:04:37 hr | 2 years ago

ZBT #140: Reds, Whites & Blue

"Today's episode zero blog thirty is presented by our good friends at ZipRecruiter. If your uniform jacked up at the state of the union, that's not smart, but getting people into your jobs, and that you have as an employer is a smart way to do it. And you're gonna do that was dip recruiter dot com slash zero to hire the right people. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter finds quality candidates for you. It's a powerful matching technology scans houses of resumes to identify people with the right skills education. Experience an actively invites him to apply to your job. So you get qualified kids fast. That's why ZipRecruiter is number one rated employer in the United States. And that's according to trust pilot with for one thousand reviews at right now, our listeners get try ZipRecruiter for free. That's right free. Ziprecruiter dot com slash zero. If you love the show shows your support and go to ZipRecruiter by going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash Z. E R O that ZipRecruiter dot com slash zero ZipRecruiter. It's the smartest way to hire. Today. We have five round. It's in the magazine round number one, your wind air force general general's uniform was the talk of the town and had me trigger as hell after the state of the union address round number two. There's a huge. And I mean, huge he it's ridiculous. It's monumental. It's almost dick size argument. That's going around the military with active duty folks Zubi is here to embrace the bait and settle this shit once and for all round number three the navy admits that its new seven hundred sixty million dollar aircraft carrier defense system is will shit in a total failure round number four. We've got an interview with a former infantryman turn why next Burton restaurants here. His name is Daniel Kim. Don't look like a Buddhist bitch when you're parrying wine with your chicken chunks Murray round number five scuttle, but we're going to introduce a new little segment, and we wanted to ask our followers on Twitter Instagram to give us a military theme restaurant names in they did not disappoint. I'll give you one. Just a wet your whistle. Mine. Was it was a. The battle of way city so smooth. It'd be delicious. So what way is a Nikko since smoothies way protein city. That's a great idea. Chaps definitely get the investment for that. Let's start. Round number one air force Jost round number one air force general Joseph Lango, he's the chief of the national guard bureau war his stack of ribbons upside down state of the union address, Tuesday evenings military, folks, watches started pointing out for those who don't know your highest awards go on top so safer since if you are a complete bad ass in you have the medal of honor that goes at the very top in top left of your uniform. It takes the position of precedence his, and I think he was kinda screwed because hit he has so many ribbons if they ended up just being one big square. It's like a perfect square. So the aid that was doing the uniform just inverted it completely like if you were playing with a rubik's cube. He twisted it all the way around in an ended up upside down and backwards on his uniform, people were losing their mind, but not as much as I really thought they would I thought that there would be the military Harto's that are out there. Completely acting like they never had a discrepancy. On their military uniform ever thought. Yeah. I I agree. And it it you see how it could happen because here's a little inside baseball. When you have all those ribbons, you don't put them on one by one you have a rack, and you just slide them on. So when you're don't even do at that level. Yeah. You have you have you have an aid that put your uniform together? And the thing about military ribbons, some are distinct, but a lot of times, they kind of look very similar it, you know, because of the different like bars and colors, and what have you? So to see that. It was upside down. I could see how that could happen. But where I had the issue was that they were standing around with other very high ranking officials other aids before the state of the union, and nobody noticed it. How does nobody noticed something that is that agree GIS because I believe he had a top there? It looked like he had bronze star with two oak leaf clusters you should notice if that's at the bottom. That's a distinct looking metal. So. One is distinguished service medal would. Yeah. That one too. Maybe it was a power move. Because if you look at his uniform, and you're like man, this guy's lowest award is. You think it's like super badass? I will say I think that people were less butthurt in like triggered by it because his response to it was very swift. And he had his good sense of humor about it. You didn't try to brush it under the rug or anything on Wednesday. He went on Facebook. And wrote he included a picture of himself sitting there with generals Dunford Milly all these big name guys. And there he is this upside down stack, and he says what's wrong with this picture, a not. So funny thing happened on the way to the state of the union last night, if you look closely you'll see that the ribbons on my jacket or upside down, how can this possibly happen? You might ask. Well, we're all human, including me. And as I made a final check in the mirror just before. I walked out. I missed it. Plain and simple. Hope this is a lesson for everyone who wears the uniform and really for anyone. They put a racers on pencils for reason. When you make a mistake or missing detail own it and move on one thing is for sure my ribbons will never be upside down again now. If I have a promise he's making to our listeners. The promise if he's wrong he should have been like if my ribbons are ever upside down again, I swear to God. I'll eat a piece of white dog poop off the ground. Really looked at you. That's where there is such a huge difference in what you would be called to the carpet for because if there was a sergeant because you know, the at the state of the union, they always bring a couple of veterans out they bring couple of active duty people out if this shit happened, and it was a corporal in any of the branches. Or if it was a senior airman, or if it was a petty officer third class, you would get your dick whole lately shredded in ripped why the hell open and a first sergeant with your torn off or your flaps torn up. They would completely dismember your vulva right there on the ground war. The building. Can you imagine if you're a lesser rank enlisted or officer, and you noticed this and you've got to go flex and being like, hey, sir. Okay. So I'll give a personal experience story. A little personal experience store when I was getting ready to go to M C T, which is the follow on training after regular recruit training or brute boot camp, you have to show up to M C T wearing your service alpha. So you the same uniforms that they're wearing at the state of the union. If you don't know what that uniform is Google the generals at the state of the union in that's the uniform, the main service uniform with the jacket, that's wool. It's tannin green. That's the uniform that you have to wear I showed up to M C T with my eagle globe. And anchors flipped sides. The left one was on the right and rowing outboard instead of inboard. I thought whenever I got pulled out of the car at the gate by sergeant that was working the gate in he chewed my ass and switched him for me like rip my ass. I thought I was the first marine ever to make that mistake. Ono any tattoo look at any Meriva tattoos. And you will see look loping anchors facing the wrong direction, but with your, but when you're junior troop, you get your ass chewed. Oh, yeah. Is a general who should no way better than somebody? Who's only been in the military for thirteen weeks at that time. I think that the correction level so different. I mean, if you win were wearing a uniform fucked up as a general. What does anybody can say? I mean, there's only like two people in the there's only one person higher in his Janet commanded him like the air force chief of staff overall. And then the joint cheeses staff, somebody somebody who one of the other joint chiefs of staff should should have notice. And and I'm I'm not as easy to give them the past. Because I I know an aide puts his uniform together what he should still double check it and look it over. And this is a mistake. I'm sorry to say, yes, we all human. Nobody is perfect. I make mistakes. This is not a mistake you should make at that level. This should be second nature to put your uniform together. I mean, not to speculate or anything, but do you think the aid did it for res an do you? They were like super bet woke Twitter that I saw a couple of tweets that was talking about this. And if you say, this, you are a fucking idiot. They said that he put his uniform his ribbons on backwards as a sign of distress like. American flag upside down. You'll everybody do data. So that you need to take a nap just take that's the way to look I'm taking all agreed that it was a disgruntled aide who got their leave Chit turned away. And they were like fuck this guy, and he flipped the ribbons upside down side that we can get I will say though, it's tough to correct people. I was just yesterday this guy he was like wearing the super cool outfit like a hipster, dude. He was like he had that rock like he was like Strutton like he failed himself in his his zipper was so down like his ball, just like sticking out of it. And I was like I should tell that guy should tell that guy should tell that guy. Fuck and then next thing, you know, we're like ten feet away from each other. And it was too late. And I was like, oh, no. So it's tough to direct people. You guys ever have a plan whenever you knew you're gonna do uniform inspections because they're primarily like bright before you go to a ball or a military function like that. Or if you have to go like high level dignitaries something like that you will do a uniform inspection. Did you have a plan whenever you're going in of where you're like what you're gonna do or anything like that? What do you mean? Are just I would go through my my normal routine and put everything on my uniform as it was supposed to be most of my dress. Uniform stuff wasn't much stuff that that came off. Maybe aside for my ribbons Dak 'cause I didn't have more than one. But then without a doubt. I would always was always go to a battle buddy before I was going to have to see anybody else and say, hey, take a look at me Matiur. Nothing's jacked up 'cause stuff like this should never get through to people one person. K got it. You have a bad day just not paying attention. But something like this should never get through to people. You probably didn't do this. What I what I really mean is like platoon level you as if it's officer to the same as they are Steph and CEOs in officers in the Marine Corps that they weren't part of the uniform inspection. No, we didn't I didn't have uniform inspections in the army. I did it in school. We did we had haircut inspections which was basically haircut and uniform inspections. But those worn as intense as the inspections that. I imagine you're discussing right now, we have pretty frequent once and I. Every single time. These core frames the black shiny shoes, you have to buy that are like so hideous, but might have like tiny scratches on them, and they're like you need to go. Buy new pair. I'm not going to buy a new pair of fucking shoes. I don't need because of tiny scratch. So I just would cover them in marker each time each time they'd be like, all right? Get new shoes and each time like now. And so every time they forget that. I just I'm sure you didn't say, no. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. But here's the thing. So I'm all for equality. I'm fucking. Can you tell me what to do? Can I tell you? Why I never stressed too much over uniforms. I my ribbons Ron like I made sure it was like the proper order at least where I thought the right spot was whatever I never fretted over it. Because I was for the most part throughout my time. I was usually the only woman in my unit. And so those guys had no clue what the women were could've put I could've put my stack on my. But Sheikh for all they know that like ago, so it's right. Like, they had no on the left cheek. Yeah. I don't I don't know. I don't I don't wanna ask. And also it's like right above your boob. Like, yeah. Keep living not gonna make you. Hey, cool. Can I just you? As easy pass my plan. Whatever our junior marine was I always looked for the shittiest Murray that was with in my stand to his left. Yes. Do he was going to be super fucked up? So if my staff sergeant went from him to me than I looked like a shining golden star to this shitty. That was always my plan. That's if you're right brilliant plan it worked out. Well, they'd be like damn double dog your squared away. I'm like buck. Yeah. They would. This world to try to get your cubicle next to the biggest slob, and you'll get a lot of times even on the blog. I try to schedule my blogs to go up after a shitty bugger. Is that buyers always post after mine? You gotta have a plan. Are you planning to move on? Round number two Stein to embrace a little bit of debate. Because around the military, we have our nose to the grindstone a lot of times whenever we're just looking on Instagram Twitter with look at all the different sites where even now and shut up us for this. We are signed up to get every single alert that comes from the department of defense and the department of homeland security to get emails in our inbox every single day. So we know what's going on. Can I say something about those DOT emails they on top of their shit. I the diversity we signed up. I got maybe like sixty eighty emails. It was just a ton of emailing sign up for once a day cons. What are you doing? I don't know. I was I'm going to have to go. Check my preferences because over there, you know, preferences, but one of the main ones as two days in a row came out. And this is a story. There was a a group of people who are saying that Rawson Rachel weren't on a break and con. Kind of explained the background to this debate. Okay. This I mean, I'll try to give it the fifty thousand foot view because there are a lot of details that go into this. So as many people know Rawson, Rachel were the couple in friends who finally got together and Ross pine for Rachel for many years. And then finally made it happen. So some are saying that he really out kicked his coverage, which would be true. So Rachel got a new job at Bloomingdales and the person she was working with at Bloomingdale's was this guy, Mark. And because she was trying to do great at her new job shoe spending. A lot of time at work a lot of time with this guy Mark and naturally lost got a little jealous. So on their anniversary jealous things all little short. Yeah. As I said, he was he was very very jealous because as I said Ross very much out this coverage so on his on their anniversary dinner Ross decided he was going to take a picnic to Rachel's office and. Surprise her and Rachel was your swamped to work, and ultimately, they got in a fight. And she's like Russia, and my way you're in my way. So he went home they got into a fight. And Rachel ultimately said I can't do this. I can't do this anymore. And he said this is about Mark. And she said I can't keep having the same fight. I need a break. So Ross says, okay. Yeah. Let's take a break. Let's go get some frozen yogurt or something. And she said no a break from us so Ross and barrel fruit. Bag, but she says pluck dick fell to the floor. I was I just wanted to throw my dick and get ran over by garbage truck. It was terrible Ross goes to the bar to meet his buddies and decides completely. Roscoe's the but to the bar to meet Jalen, Joey and talk through things and said, hey, we broke up and they suggest that he'd give her a call. So when he calls Rachel had called the guy Mark and Mark came over to the Rachel's apartment, so while Ross is on the phone with Rachel Mark is in the background. He says is that Mark. And she said so he hangs up he thinks who knows what he's thinking. Probably that she's doing some with more probably stuff. That's you know. Right. Sorry. I'll wrap this up. This is I know this is a little convoluted. You're good at telling this. I'm like actually kind of into it. So. Wires one of the greatest shows ever. Moscow's back to hanging out with his buddies has a little too much to drink and the girl hot girl from the xeroxed door copy girl is there in Asterix on hot. She wasn't that hot. She was hot for ninety five ninety six. She was on ninety five for sure she had the pixie cut. It was working anywhere angel though. No, no. She was no one holds a candle to Rachel. So one thing leads to another Ross and copy girls start making out at the bar next morning. Ross wakes up copy girl is at his apartment they slept together. Rachel decides she was wrong. She goes over to Ross's apartment to apologize. Didn't see copy girl though, however on the way back to Rachel's apartment, she stops at the coffee shop, and that rat Gunther decided to spill the beans about math pastored Gunther asset Gump, there could have been a lot better had rust been able to give her the information himself. So they have a fight and. We got the whole thing were they have. And then they go through. So the debate is was Ross wrong to sleep with copy girl. Okay. Your thoughts. I say, no. Oh my God. I like to clarify. I have never watched a full episode of friends in my life. It would have been helpful to to save our listeners the explanation ever have I seen it. I have seen clips of it. Maybe. And I'm like, it's the big bang theory. The two thousands. I just don't get it. I don't think it's funny. Yeah. But I also say no you listen to me. If you're on a break with somebody. That means you're taking the time to figure shit out to try and make it work. You didn't break up fully you're just taking a little time out that doesn't mean especially right away. Now, if this break carries on for months, and months, whatever that doesn't mean right away you go. The other person is probably thinking, okay, we're taking a break to try and figure this out calm down were working on fixing it that is not fixing it. So we're stab or something. I think as military podcast we need to establish something. I think the break you cannot have sex with somebody after you break up until boot leave is over you have a boot leave period ten days, if you're if you're on a break for longer than ten days. Go get some strange, if you're not if you're still in that boot leave window, you gotta keep your dick or your Clinton your pants. Yeah. Because those are the rules of engagement. I just I think Ross is his only fault. Ultimately was that he cared too much. He was trying to go out of his way to to make things work. And then when he calls from the bar for all he knows Rachel's been seeing this guy, and they were doing something. So it wasn't until he thought that they were doing something that he acted out with copy girl, and there's many schools of thought about this once is saying that because Rachel invited Mark over when that was the source of the discontent for Ross that that level of emotional treating is much worse than just the pure, no feelings attached, physical. I did she might have cheated on him more. So because she knew that that was the source of so much hurt and anger for Ross. It will it should be noted too that she called Mark and he invited himself over. So he's a little bit of a dick himself nonetheless. He should she have disaster. What for sure Mark needed is asked what big time? Yeah. Jody in. Yeah. Mark was definitely Joe. Down their schools of thoughts about that too. Yeah. I figure it could be Jodi. Good. They might be to Jody's in this situation cable. It should be noted that Rachel got the job with Mark after having never met her just met her one time at a restaurant and he offered her job. So people would say that he only hired her because he was trying to sleep with her. I look at that and say this guy must see something special in me in my work ethic. My judge. What Mark saw Rachel. And this is I'm gonna try to quote, French here now bear with me. Why do a little French K thought that Rachel's quote titties were popping? Let's move onto round three. All right. Oh, goodness. All right moving on from that segment. I have to talk about who we are not friends with right now gang. It is the branch of the navy. They shed light on a previously highly classified project meant to protect aircraft carriers from the grave and widespread threat of torpedoes. And it's been a massive expensive failure other navies of the world have bad Astra Pedo underwater bombs and other technologies that have been sinking enemy ships from more than one hundred years. But in our latest effort to keep up we have fallen short US navy aircraft carriers represent technological marvels. They're basically floating airports with nuclear reactors. But after years of secret of tests, the US is given up on a program to protect them from threats like torpedoes and underwater bombs of other navy crafts from other countries. They cancelled it only after they spent seven hundred sixty million dollars on it. I will now be removing the systems they put on. Aircraft carriers that they have actually installed because they just don't work. So basically over five years the program need a little bit of progress in finding knocking down incoming torpedoes, but not enough data on the reliability of the systems remains pretty much nonexistent. So Yikes Jesus the navy just keeps ticking knows the academy's falling apart, the number one fullback recruit in the country. Decommitted from navy and committed to army and. He was falling off. Now, you're because at that you take too much joy and things going on with the name. I understand not like because he just let me finish my game seven hundred sixty million dollar defense system those badgers. That's another Beth another thing for what point. Like finish. Because ultimately, I need them to get their shit together. Because this is a bad look for America as a whole, and it's really disheartening to see our navy going through these trials and tribulations. I need them to be better clip and vehicles when you shouldn't be too. I wanna point. Backup. Also at the same time. You know, we not every project. These are big deal projects. It is really intensive stuff. It does require huge amounts of intellect and effort and money, and they're not always going to work perfectly. Look at the F thirty five eventually it. They are going to figure it out. And we we do need to keep trying and doing these things sometimes you're gonna fail but the cost on this. You have to wonder now, hopefully, there's an in-depth report on Wyatt failed. So that this never happens again. But it will that bothers me about this entire thing. Is that it's they put it on five different shifts up at one before it even worked like put it on one. I this is sixty like you remember when Google came out with Google TV. It was supposed to like change. How you watch television in the entire system suck. I bought it. It was like five hundred bucks. This is awesome. You can watch any show that you wanted to it didn't work for shit. This is basically what they're doing seven hundred sixty million dollars. Putting it on multiple. Ships for you test it out. Here's an idea do a little trial and error, I met we're works before you order five of them better. Sneak what the f thirty five to those things don't fucking work, and they weren't so many of order want. Drew brees. Where's the discretion by the leadership? There should have been multiple rounds of testing even before they would put it on one ship to know that it there should have been a way to test it to know that even when we put it on a ship. It's still going to work. You shouldn't be such a disparity between the testes and the actual implementation. Phase that renders this thing, absolutely useless. So it really is a failure of its kind of hearts is kind of even nothing compared to the do you? Remember the littoral combat ship that they were working on web. Come on all the clitoral. That's why none of the sailors can find it out. Hood, folks, they've been working on that it's a new combat ship for sixteen years and have spent billions with a B billions of dollars on it. And they may not deploy any of them despite all this effort by embarrassing cost overruns frequent mechanical failures. I remember they put one out seeing died the weapons on the deck of it. I think they they didn't really think of the ammo the ammo was so expensive that they're like we can't even the munitions for the for the weapons for the ship was like a million dollars around parameters. Think goes saying it's like how what is what kind of oversight is leading to these sorts of things happening. That's such a high cost. That's why was with political figures. Go in they tout how much money we're spending to be the best military in the world. It's like, yeah. We're spending a lot of money, but it's like buying a Samsung vote, it doesn't work as well. As I phone like get something that works as well. Can I tell you hurting into the green bubbles of military? Yeah. My enlisted like this is my completely uneducated unresearched like Lance corporal Kate smoke pit like here's my favorite type of things. I came here. It's like days it'll save our military things happen earmuffs cons because it's a bunch of officers suck in their own Dick's trying to get promoted. They all hey, they're scrubbing the reports a little they're making themselves. Look good along the way. Nobody wants to take accountability shift starts to go wrong. And everybody's like like that little where the little dog sitting in the room on fire. And he's like this is fine. This is fine. This is fine. Yeah. Yeah. This is great stop sucking. Your cock with four. I wish cheese cons. I knew that removal surgery. Shoutout. Maryland. On time Suli bring back break. Yeah. Round. Number four. We have an interview in New York City restaurant here and wind expert Daniel, Kim, Daniel serve with the twenty fifth infantry infantry division, and then in the national guard of his as an infantryman as well, he guides us through an excellent Emory pairing that you're going to joy, and that's going to be presented by our friends at Joel. Are you tired of your bape always dying or losing extra pods? That's why you need a new portable charger podcast, it's comparable devices. Cut gives you a full Vate three charges. It also holds three additional charges. Hype products are not associated nor sponsored by Joel last. But if you use the code are still chaps on dot com. You'll enjoy thirty percent off today. Here's Daniel Kim. I. Well, now zero block thirty finally we're going to get into a little fine dining for you savages. That listening to the show. We have army veteran Daniel Kim on the show Daniel, thanks for joining us next. Daniel you are currently the manager of a pretty nice restaurant, New York, right? I'm the manager and director of binding steakhouse. There we go. I love the wind director from an army infantry guy to wind director is probably one of the most drastic changes in career fields that you can have. And I love those type of changes. I bet you didn't think when you were laying out in the mud with a weapon that you were going to be picking out wine pairings one day. Oh god. No. I thought maybe I'd be on a beach so many my systems. I have to ask how did you get from infantry to the restaurant world lift active duty, and I had absolutely not transferable skills. The only thing I really could do at the time was bound. And then I lied my way until bartending gig and within a year and a half or so I was in fine dining fake, it till you make it I found that adage exclaim. Yeah. That's exactly why they did. And that was back in ninety seven. So and have to do you gotta do some pretty cool spots. Like, you went to Australia. Is there any spot that you went to one you're in that you're like man now knowing what I know about wine. I wish I could go on some of these trails. Oh, gosh. Austrailia again, I'd love to visit the the Margaret for valley near Perth in Western Australia, because it's this lush valley in the heck out of middle of the western desert and left to let visit South Australia's. Well, I Mike experience was only on the Gold Coast northeast towards the Great Barrier. Reef because trillion army has a basically their version of Fort Benning right there in Townsville and Darwin on the north coast, which is basically twenty nine palms brush trillion, which basically sucks either way. Yeah. We'll talk to Dave our boss and see if maybe for military service, if we can go back and do the wine trail with you that would be content purposes. Totally it would be very nice. We were looking at your Twitter account. Sometimes your restaurant could have five hundred and fifty guests some nights. Is there any time that you're military planning like going through the Essex or s to any of those help you like with five hundred and fifty guests at night. No. It's just about prioritize whereas rotations and making sure that you're organized for the shift. It's nut military necessarily. It's just come sense. I don't want to. Have to stand there mumbling to guess because I don't have a table for him when he made a reservation or she made a reservation, it's just about or basic organization just hearing that makes me realize how fucked up my own restaurant would be. Such a jumbled hot mess. I I'm like, the least organized person in the world Daniel, and I was a hostess and a waitress when I was in high school as a hostess, I would just sit people without like any rhyme or reason I was that person that like people just hated because I was like, yeah. So props to you because mine would be an absolute disaster. And I also imagine people in the restaurant is like, you know, you have all these people when you're tuned, you have one person in your Putin. Usually who just runs around looks like they're doing a lot of stuff, but they're not really doing anything. I would imagine if anything transfers over. It's like slowest, smooth and smooths smooths fast. If you're not moving quickly like you can't really get anything done right there. There's always going to be people like that in every restaurant sectors fantastic. Comedy a short show on YouTube called the restaurant. I highly recommend it. In fact, I tweet. About a number times because it's one of those cliches that's true to life. It's a, but yet every crew has that slacker than whether you're in the front of the house on the service side, or in the back of the house in the kitchen I worked next to a guy when it cooked professionally and he's tossing on tape Ganz around you see stuff moving, but then when it comes time to actually plate, I need two more minutes. But were you doing this whole time? You know, we've got twenty dishes we need to put up for chef in the next minute and a half move your ass. Oh, man. So we have some we have some Emory meals prepared for you that we went through and Kate named our restaurant. You want to introduce our service for the evening, Kate a little be our guest style. Missiel the green Leany we have a special menu for the soldier with a tongue for tannin's. So of course, number one chaps. Do you want to read it, y'all? Do course number one. We have a lovely chilly with beans that is paired nicely. With the corn bread and cheddar cheese spread with crackers, the cheese filled snack food, and you're gonna wash all that down with a carbohydrate fortified beverage powder, and that's gonna come to you serve with a lovely accessory packet A ANSI. And but that will serve that with a nice mullebeck from Mendoza Orgeon Tina full little spicy. Just a little hint of current on the palate and nice long finish. This case the chili and beans. I love it. What's what's menu number two K for number two? We have the shredded barbecue beef Emory but season black beans jalapeno cheddar cheese, spread tortillas dried fruit, and there's that carbohydrate fortified beverage powder again. And we've got this all with barbecue sauce and accessory packet. See? All right. And for that the my go-to for barbecue it, which is risen Fandel full body. Plush, the fruit is more Jammie as opposed to right? It's more like like stewed blueberry on the palate, just a mess barbecue. So now this one I want to talk about because for the longest time. I had always thought that the two winds for pours was Ziff Ndele like a white Ziff and Dell and Emma Scotto is like the two poor people winds that you can have. I didn't even know that. I drank infidel, but read zip and Dell so different than white zinfandels. Right. Yup. If you think about squeezing agree. I mean, the juice for all wine is clear. The only difference is when you're squeezing the skins to get the colored from them. So white zinfandels basically just read some been dealt where it's like a starter pack. You know, you only did steps one in two sets one through five. But do you agree that white zinfandels for poor people know? Tell them. Multimillionaire and city council member order whites vanilla which thank God. I don't carry it the restaurant. I'm like, I got much better wine for you, sir. Out. Menu number three tambi, Dan, you I wanted you to say yes, I wanted to shame Kate menu number three chicken with egg noodles and vegetables. That's going to be paired with the lovely wet pack of fruit. Peanut butter tracker. I know I don't know. I have never had the wet pack of fruit. And it also has cracker Joey and GM candy number three, which I believe is skittles carbohydrates electric beverage powder. Again. This one's gonna come with hot sauce accessory packet A is going to be here. This time. And this is served with actual wind for that. I drank when it was poor short. Which you you can get a decent Chardonnay for like eight nine dollars bottle in a store pro in this kiss, preferably something from Sonoma County, specifically Russian river valley. So you'll get a nice full by shortening. Little hint of a citrus maybe some tropical fruit slight bit of slight bit of openness and sort of medium finish. All right. This is making me want to just reported as ten to fifteen in the morning central time for me, and I have to go have a mimosa after this. Go get. Kate you want to do the next menu. Sure, I would take a little trip over to Italy with this. I'm ari. It's the spaghetti with beef sauce spaghetti a toaster pastry. Peanut butter multi grain snack bread infused and dried fruits fortified cocoa beverage powder. Jelly and jam there's that accessory pack date or and since we're in Italy. Mas will have mental Puccio route Tso. Is essentially identical to Chianti. It's the same grape Sandro Vinci or Sandro Vento as they call it in Italy. And the only difference is the amount of time. The wine is aged in a barrel before bottling. So you figure a bottle of mental Pacino a nice bottle of mental Pacino. They'll run you about ten eleven dollars in store. Nice somewhere bottle of Chianti is by five bucks. More. Very nice. And the last one we would we wouldn't be as well. Because we are if we didn't have a vegetarian option for our vegetarian friends at home at this one is going to be mitt menu. Number eleven it is vegetable crumbles with pasta and a taco style sauce. That sounds so did this to the vegetarians who did this to them the vegetarians get so bad? And they're doubt what the vegetarian omelette is also horrified that might be the worst one of all, but this one comes to what the wet pack fruit. So you're going to get that one a delicious first-strike bar chunky peanut butter. I've never had the chunky peanut butter. An- mari. Have you know cracker? Both of you. Both of you. So I remember dried fruit packs, which if you if you ate the drive through it, basically, stop you up two or three weeks. Oh god. Yeah. They still do that. That's still still a real plug for you. And this one comes with the French vanilla cappuccino drink mix, which I used to sit on top of the peanut butter and then on top of the bread to have a little dessert stout. Geic? Oh, fancy and this Scott. Chili lime hot sauce and accessory pack of b. All right. So with that the you'd have either a reasoning doesn't matter if it's from Germany or Washington state, we talking harvest no late harvest is way too. Sweet. Okay. When you have a late harvest Riesling, essentially what you're doing is. You're going from the normal harvest time of early to mid October letting the grapes mature even. Up to a month month and a half longer. So that the sugars concentrate, that's why that wine is so sweet good. But. Aside interview. But actually, I feel like with each one of them are easing. I'm like, all right. This goes a little barbecue. I'm like taking notes for my own life. So I say, I know what the hell I'm talking about now. So all right. Got noted. All right, go. It'd be a regular ruling. You could go cabinet or QB goes with two classifications that aren't very sweet. But I actually matched that at the restaurant with our revenue will plate. Very good. So we have some questions because Kate was a big smoke pit lady. But oftentimes you'll have get togethers on Friday or Saturday night and the smoke pit. But you never know what to bring right? It's true. So my friend over at airborne is having a barracks party in the brand new smoke pit. What's good wine to bring it's an outdoor event. Low ki mad dog twenty twenty or preferably something that pairs. Well, would Newport lights something that really bring up? Amidst all. Triggering the. From the early ninety s. Thank you for that time block that mentally God for that. You can bring just a crowd pleaser the the reds in Melba. Even even that mental Pacino you can just about anything to barracks party in debt. I mean is itself built drinking. This is true now bringing it up a notch. You're invited to the officer housing. There's some kind of fancies shindig going on what kind of whiskey you bring in because I saw on Twitter that your whiskey, man. I think. Bringing Irish whiskey. It's probably tell them more. If it's bourbon, it's angels envy. Name go, both choices. This is very creepy. Stalker ish. But I've followed you on Twitter for a while now Christmas, someone got you boxed whiskey is it's it's actually a miniature barrel that you can. Pour a bottle of whisky into. It's got a little spigot. So you can pour the whiskey right out of the right out of the barrel. How jap? That's exactly what I have. Oh, see I saw the FOX. And I was like they're selling boxed whiskey now spoke time and mine on the front says fancy voice private reserve. Oh, man. Nice. So we wanted to talk to you because you are a wine guy if you had a, and you could think about it because we didn't ask you this before. But Kate, and I have a very specific memory that we had lined up that we wanted to share about just the perfect glass of wine that we had that bring us back to a spot. You want to start us out k yeah, mine was 'cause you know, you have like I've drank a lot of wine in my day. But you ever have a time where you specifically remember like this, particular wine, or this particular night where this like this one? I'm just just perfect. So mine was down the jersey shore. My aunt Rita made a talion for all of us sin. Was my cousins were crushing these bottles of red, which I don't even remember, I know that was a tree on the bottle like an old is ghost tree or something. Like that. I don't know. But it was just like it'd be Joshua tree. Maybe I think it was the U2. bottled one. But it was just like the perfect pairing. The wine was so good. But the all the talian that we had and we just all had the perfect amount. And it was like. The perfect night. Chats what was your favorite? Why had just landed in San Diego? It was one of my first trips away from Texas after my kid was born. So I came from Texas flew into San Diego, and I just started working at bar. So I've been there maybe for five months, and I fly landed checked into the hotel and went to a really nice restaurant right on the water completely by myself sat down with the look over the Pacific Ocean and San Diego, which was beautiful the last time. I was there. I was on active duty, and I had a mad duck salvage on Blunkett was from California, and it was cold, crisp and delicious. And I remember whenever it came out. I sat back in the chair looked out over the over the ocean. And it was the first time since I had left the Marine Corps that I felt like a success because you never know like whenever you leave. Like, it's scary leaving the military when you do because you have to figure out your next job. What you're gonna do. And I looked out of. The ocean. And I'm like, I might make it might be okay. Mine was my first job as a restaurant manager back in two thousand and as my first time running an actual restaurant wine list, and it was boozing Italian try to rea- and the first time I tried Piacenza Burnell which is. Son Jovesa but aids for three years before bottling, and it's medium bodied silky. It's somebody described it to me as smoother than a prom queens legs. It didn't just point just a little bit of like pepper little bit of dried raspberry on the palate, wonderful tannin structure, and that's when like, okay. Wow. This is something I need to be doing as a career. Now, speaking tannin's last night on our show on our radio show. I was telling Kate that all day. I had been smelling like cat piss. Is it true that certain types of red wine will make you smell like cat piss? No. They don't make you smell like cat piss. They have millions of cats because of the tenants. I saw this have you Daniel have you seen the documentary som-? It's in the lines felt like cat b. I've smelled some really bad winds. I've smelled wines that have turned. Meaning it's oxidized inside the bottle. And that's when you get you. Get you smell mold you smell. You can smell cat piss but wind if it's done, right? And you won't get that you won't get the capi smell. Okay, noted. So I stop looking for that in lines. Like, oh, this is a good cat peel and this must be legit. So it was like a nice litter. I have another question for you. So you were in the military without knowing anything about the industry. You are worked your way up very successful at this. Great steakhouse now that does huge numbers every night. Were you the first one to serve in the military and your family what what's your background a little more dad dodge the draft in two countries? Okay. I in Korea 'cause they're sending a voice Vietnam in the late mid late sixties. And then when you. Came over to the states. He got a deferment does new fodder. So, but my paternal grandfather, his father went MIA in the first few weeks, the cradle war because he was on the first colonels in New South Korean army. Oh, my maternal grandfather fought in the anti Japanese resistance during World War Two and going back even further. And this is this could be a sore spot for both of us since the you both former marines, aren't you? Yes. My I have ancestors that fought the US marine incursion any consulting one on gung ho island. Wow. That's crazy. You could say that I've been fighting marines, my Berga centuries. That's really interesting. That's cool. That you still know the whole history of I'm like, I know my grandparents did something. But I yeah, I need to be better with like knowing the history of it. That's really cool though. And are you the one that were you the child threes in that he could he got the deferment? Absolutely. Yeah. Way to go. Oh, man. Well, Daniel whenever I come back up to New York, Kate, and I would definitely have to go to your restaurant experience the winless for ourself. Let me know. All right, cool. Thank you so much for joining us. This whole thing was a secret way for us to get free wine with you. Works. Daniel. Thank you, please club. All right. Thanks to Daniel for coming on the show. He actually came on the show twice because we did an interview last week, and it didn't work out because the audio file was corrupted. So he was a super good sport and came back to talk with being Kate. We appreciate that a delight. I think it's great to what a great representation, I think so often guys leave the military in because I get these questions all the time. They feel pigeonholed to go into certain industries. There's no right industry. Right job to do after the military Goto. Whatever makes you happy. I think he's a great example of that. And not to mention Somalia might be one of the coolest titles and on that note consi, right? Very cool. You could take any path, and we have lots of followers who have taken all sorts of different paths. And we asked them for good military related restaurant names on our Twitter and Instagram, and they did not disappoint in this new segment called scuttle. But which we're going to be doing from time to time. We'll be using your answers the listeners answer. So if you follow us on either, and you see us ask a question. Give us an answer will put it up on here. If it's good, and we got so many good ones military related restaurants cons. What were some of your favorite ones from people who responded? Okay. So the first one is rat. And then she KT so rap fucked restaurant where you get to pick part of the meal off of the tray that is going to somebody else, which is an awesome idea. My opinion is how often are you sitting at a restaurant and food comes out for another taping. Like, ooh that looks good. You would love just like a biter too. I pulled that move last Friday. There was a dude the got a steak salad, and it looked perfect. And he was sitting right next to me like, and we may be a foot and a half apart. And the waitress said, what are you want? I was like what that guy, and they will what side I was like no that entire order. Whatever you just put in front of that, dude. That's exactly what I want. She was like, okay. Why go ask his Witter? Like, all right. Like, whatever he has. That story didn't go to picked up before can just took a bite of this. It was present where I thought that was gone. Now me and him his best friends up for those listening. Don't know rat fucked is a great name too because rat fucking in the military is when you go through all the Maris which are field meals. They come in these separate bags like we just talked about with Daniel Kim and people go through them. If no one else is around, and they take all the good parts out of it. So that's why they used them. Like you were guilty of doing all my God. Yeah. Chocolate chocolate hand coda disc cookies, which is cookies with Amit M and M's. And then they have the weirdest names. Yeah. I definitely went through and took some things my day. That's a great move next was TGI formation. There was Donald's comma mic there was another owed to Emory's. There was the rock or something grill and finally finally Italian restaurant, the Chow Paul Chow spelled you would spell it in Italian. I like adorable and actually somebody I was reading the Twitter threat there and somebody. He said the Italian base one of the time basis. That's actually like what they call it. It's awesome. By the way. I'll read you some of the ones I loved Khan's. I'm surprised you didn't go with the butter bar. I actually didn't see that one. But I love that name. That's fantastic. If you opened up one of those on like Quantico, or I don't know whether they train the army officers at that would be a big hit. Yeah. Again for those listening lieutenants, bootleg tenants. They called a have the two gold bars on them. So they call them butter bars next. I loved instead of green berets green. Ben yays having been fresh off New Orleans love it. This LeMay me laugh out loud wing, stop loss. Haven't heard about a good stop-loss story in a while. But that's a Semper fry all fried foods Desert Storm instead of Desert Storm as opposed to in and out burger hurry up and wait burger, you can put that on any base and people would understand the Hard Rock Cafe. And the hard rock or something. Cafe apocalypse, Chow cleared hot wing shack. Instead of bands of brothers buns of brothers love that one. And then if you recall, if Trump this past year mother of all bombs, instead, the MOAB is mother of all Britos, and then I really loved this one a twin peaks or hooter style restaurant, but with men, and it's called safety briefs and all the servers where breeds global. Oh. And then finally zesty polar said that one salad place called the polar really everybody who gave answers. There were so many on there is more. But I couldn't pick them all they were just so good shops. Did you have any that stood out to you other than ones we've mentioned? No, actually, no was give let's give chaps chaps kick things off actually with his submission for the battle of way. But what was chance what was what it was called? About of way city but ways spelled W H E Y, and it was. Yeah. That's what it was. But my original one was simplify what was the the noodle place. That's a good for too. I saw a couple on similar to that very cute. And then to you guys I thought it was a simple one. But it makes a lot of sense just devil dogs hotdog place dogs green weenie action. I like it. I like it. There's the actual military themed rush on like this somewhere in the country. So if you see any or know of any please send them to us because I'm curious time. Maybe we'll do titty bars. We'll just military Diddy. What will get for that? So. All right. Let's move on save rounds. So I want I'll start off save Browns are guy, Buzz Aldrin, so boss, Buzz Aldrin, was there West Point graduate somebody called the soldier, but he'd never one soldier. No. You went straight to the air force because they didn't have their own little they didn't have their that have their own academy at the time whenever he went through. So when he was commissioned into the air force as a pilot, obviously everybody knows a story that he walked on the moon. He went to the state of the union address wherein an electric tie, which I'm not even going to point out. The fact that that's a flag code violation. Do it to buzz. But whenever President Trump said his name buzz popped up strong position of attention in a Chris, Chris so crisp. I mean, there was no been in an foreign officer to because across the board. Marines included across the board. Ostra salutes are usually. Nasty, and I usually jacked up. Yeah. Yeah. When you're just you know, all day, just from those are horrendous even. Ause didn't do that. He went to a very Crispell salute. And you know, when he saluted I stood up isolated in back like that guy on social media who was looting the national anthem at all in on some looting during the national anthem. So that's mine shutouts, Buzz Aldrin, he was dramatic with deeming buzz on the fucking. I would love to have them. We would I'm gonna landing of being fake. And then logoff punch you in the mouth. I know I know and that was a Chris shot. I don't know if you've ever seen that would Buzz Aldrin fucking lazy, and he's like eighty. And how quality contacts he could you know, should do. We should get buzz and the oldest moon landing denier the fight in roughing. Yeah. Solid degree. Would be unbelievable. And before we move on from buzz. Unbelievable nickname one of the best old guide nicknames. You could possibly have buzz buzz. That's hundred percent. Get you have any save rounds. Yeah. No. I was I thought maybe you might have another one, but the US the United States postal service honoring military service dogs when the coming twenty nineteen stamp collection. So they're really cute. If you haven't seen him this year, you'll be able to send your mail with military working dogs on them. And they're really cute. They're like almost little cartoons of them. And they have the names of the breed of dog. I think on them too, and they have their little like Iran on and stuff like that. So for you. I thought that was cool as off to send chaps a letter with a with an MW t on it. Can I don't like these stamps? Why why my another promise of listeners I will never go to the post office. Oh, he's an order snail mill ever after. You'll never run you'll never you stamps. You'll never the list keeps growing I can't keep track anymore. All right. Can't allow me. Just let me go because I think what you would like to use your save round. And would be a good discussion to to end things with. But so last night was a branch night at West Point where the seniors. She's not branch night a post night, rather where they pick the post that they're going to go to after graduation after they go to the respective school for their branch. And then there I post in the in the army and the way it works. It's it's kind of like the NFL draft is everybody sits in a room and everybody is has their class. Rank. She gets a pick based on based on your rank and up on a blackboard or whiteboard. Whatever they have what's available. So obviously, the more desirable places. There's not as many and the sociologist get into the the story about what happened on my post night in artillery. There's obviously fort sill Fort Hood, there's like tons and tons of spots. So you're almost guaranteed to go to one of those bigger places. But there are some places like Hawaii Italy that are not as plentiful just because the basis on his big. So there's not as many position. So unless you're at the very tippy top of your class within your. Branch. You're not gonna get your choice. So my senior year there was one spot for Italy. And the dude who was probably last in our a branch class really couldn't for weeks was like talking about like I would love to go to Italy. His family was Italian. He's just couldn't stop talking about Italy Italy. But he would always say like, but I know I'm never going to get it. I'm ranked way too low the guy who was number one. They said all right. So and so your choice he goes up there. He picks Italy. And then he turns to the group of us. And he says that Chuck he says Chuck you airborne qualified because the one seventy third is the FAA. Airborne unit. And he says you're born qualified. He says, Yep. Sure, he's like you want to go to Italy says. Yep. He gave him. It's like he traded up in the draft. So nice him his slot. Because the guy who was number one. He was from Texas. So he wanted to go to Fort Hood because he was you know, close family and twentieth spots left for hood. So there's just a great story that he gave up that number one slot that the guy never would have gotten otherwise. So it's really cool. I wish you would have been like you should have worked harder. That's a participation. That I think really now is really cool story stinks. I have one more one last Super Bowl note. Bill belichick. There's this clip. That's going around that we tweeted on barstool with Bill bell check in gronk after they won the Super Bowl. There is no more civilian example of what it's like to be at a military ball with your drunk corporal than dodge in gronk talking to each other. Let's listen to that. Now, we'll hear that will hurt from bell Jack in grant. Eight months out. Got maybe to step at all. I'd like it gronk is one thousand percent the drunk corporal who comes up in the mall. We did it. And it's taboo, be after they just get back. And then he says, I haven't drank and eight months, basically, it's like coming back from the deployment is gonna get fucked up in the battalion commanders in into it at the moment. And he's like, yeah, we're gonna do this together. It's that type of comradery when there's normally such a big separation. It just reminded me so much of a military ball type situation. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Great example ground grunk is just yeah. He's a good example who you'd want in your platoon for speaking of party time. Ooh, were going to be at a huge one. The crew is getting together with Dave Portnoy d-, president barstool sports twenty dollars. Chef who just fought in rough and rowdy, and we are going to be down at NASCAR the Daytona five hundred. We're doing a show on February seventeenth that's on Sunday, and you can get a special ticket package which reserves ticket for the race gives you the IP access to the live show in the mid way. We have a sick tailgate setup ready for that. And then you get access to our barstools sports, mid way, suite complete with food and drinks. Those tickets are going for one fifty five I looked regular tickets to that or like one forty so you get an so this is like a legit I sound like a like a car salesman. But I'm like, no this is legit. A good a good deal. And I am so I've had so many people like. Go into my DM's of who normally go to the Daytona five hundred. And they're like, dude, I'm trying to sell my normal tickets now seek or something so I can go and buy those those are so much better. Because we're where we're at in the track is like a pretty ideal location to it's right next to the Bush beer stand, man. In think about if you are a barstool person. And you look at all the stuff barstool does think about all the places that Caleb has been in the last couple years Caleb says that the Daytona five hundred is his favourite sporting event to go to. Yes. And he'll be there as the World Series NBA championships all that stuff in. He says Daytona five hundred is by far his best. You never been nobody out with your boys. We're all we are all Daytona five hundred virgins to to my knowledge. So that's gonna be awesome to experience it. What would you guys for the first time? But yeah, everyone I've spoken to to a person has all said, you're they just said you're gonna have an amazing time. It's such a great time. So yes, so Daytona five hundred dot com slash barstool to get those special tickets. And I mean, we're going to be there the whole weekend to we get in Friday where there Monday, I can't my favorite thing from this past Atlanta trip is meeting the T followers. I am so many come up to me one guy was like I'm in the army. I'm up here for the Super Bowl my wife. So we face. Timed. I FaceTime deal with them Japs. So it's so much fun getting to meet people. So come out and say, hi, even if you don't get those VIP tickets, which you're crazy not to you can still swing by our tailgate and say Hello. But we are you'll hear me rambling about it for the next two shows until we go, but I cannot wait. I love IndyCar NASCAR. I love these events. Like, they are such a wild fund party. And sorry, I'm rambling the say can't wait. What's what one thing? Are you looking forward to the most you think oh man get dressed up? And and seeing the cars go by chugging some bushes or whatever with the with the neighboring tailgate. I we are like right by the Bush tailgate next. We'll have more on that next week. We will be back on Tuesday. Make sure you listen to those episodes to that's it sound the retreat.

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700: Increase Your Growth IQ, with Tiffani Bova

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700: Increase Your Growth IQ, with Tiffani Bova

"It's time to accelerate. Hey, france. This is Andy it's kind of a milestone day here. For excel rate today is episode seven hundred. That's right. Seven hundred episodes of accelerated sales podcast of record. I think that's kind of crazy when I look back when we started everyone I've talked to in the few years since the start of this. And so few things don't think people for I think you all the thousands of listeners thousands of thousands of listeners that have supported the show and keep me going. Keep me motivated. Keep me inspired. Also can't begin to think enough hundreds of incredibly smart talented, people from throughout the world who have made the time in their schedules to come here and join us and share their wisdom and their insights about this business of selling that role involved with. You know, it's due to you and thousands just like you that I launched the sales house it's that sales growth community for sales professionals want to continuously keep learning improving mastering their skills, and honing the craft of sales. You know, friends, I've been in this business longer than men nearly anybody, and I've seen endless sales training fads come into view and go out of fashion really quickly. And I can tell you which ones are big today that are gonna fade from view shortly. I'll tell you what your success in sales won't come about. Because of how you're trained. It will happen because you combine hard work. Motivation discipline with a deep curiosity and a thirst for knowledge a thirsty. Become more educated about sales about buyers about building relationships building trust the science of influence and much much more. So that's why started the sales house provide you with the knowledge and tools you need to become the best sales version of yourself. So other throw extensive course library or live weekly coaching sessions or the interactions with your fellow sellers are private sales house community. I guarantee if you just invest ten minutes per day, just ten minutes per day. You'll gain the confidence you need to achieve everything you want to achieve in sales and in life. So stop by the sales house dot com or you can join us at the sales dot com slash join checkout or seven our special seven-day trial for just one dollar or you can make the smart financial move and join for entire year either way, I look forward to seeing you in the sales house. Okay. Let's jump into business here with a guest joy. Tony is Tiffany Bova. Here an episode seven hundred Tiffany's the growth in innovation evangelist at Salesforce, and author of a new book, titled growth, I q get smarter about the choices that will make or break your business. Now, we're talking about Ashur title suggests making smart choices at how you grow your business. And then it'd be two primary themes on our discussion, I sir based around the quote that's in her book from excuse me. The chairman CEO of IBM Virginia Romney, the quotas, growth and comfort. Never coexist greats. Great great, quote, and the second theme is Tiffany writes about. The one thing I growth is. It's never just one thing. So also get the millions those mistakes many companies make when growth against the stall, which is to place the blame on others to look for external factors, and it's Tiffany points out in her book when this happens actually, most of the time maybe ninety five percent of the time. You're problems will be internal issues. Rawson look at why sellers need to become serious students of their profession. Now, this is just not self-promotion. This is actually in her book in many times. And as Tiffany points out, the only thing sellers can really control in sales. It's not the price is not the product of the features the only thing that can controls how they conduct themselves in front of a buyer. So the need to become serious and learn everything kinda of profession is so profound. So we're gonna talk about that much more. So let's jump into it with my guest today, different Bova, Tiffany, welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. Or should I say Aloha Aloha? Yes. That is the proper way the proper way. Was last year in Hawaiian? Not not so recently, unfortunately piled on three hundred and about three hundred and forty thousand flying miles last year. So. Oh, yeah. I had I had very little time to sort of make it home. Wow. That is a that's a big year by any any mattress figures. Yeah. That was my biggest ever not sure every hit over three hundred doing a lot of international travel. Wow. That's a bunch. That's a bunch but enjoyed every every mile really. I mentioned I mean for me, I was in joy is doing a lot of international travel. I enjoyed being there. It was the getting to and from. I wasn't too thrilled about. Well, that's true. But you know, we just I don't even pay attention. Let's just put it that way. I just I sort of just don't pay attention just sort of the ender on a plane get on a plane. Yeah. But could be worse. I could be driving on the four five in southern California, which I would much rather fly somewhere five and do that. Right. Especially if had no no else in the car. You couldn't be in the carpool lane. Of course, not that a matter sometimes with the carpool lane. But so we're we're gonna talk about your new book grow. Thank you. So tell me about what was the impetus to write this book. And it was a combination of a lot of things, you know, alternate -ly I had spent a decade at at Gartner. And now I've been here at Salesforce for three years, and even before Gartner, I was running sales marketing customer service organizations, very early in the cloud, and for for a technology companies in the underlying question as being a sales later as always like, how do we grow? And how do we keep momentum's of the business? And how do we grow more than last quarter or last year? What are the things we could be doing better in? How are we going to become smarter using technology to grow the business? It was sort of a series of handful of questions that consistently. Either asked myself when I was a leader or clients asked when I was advising and now here at Salesforce clients, ask pretty consistently. I mean, regardless of who's research, you look at the number one priority is is growth for the CEO in business leaders in so. It was more of a look if I could encapsulate this into some really great stories in lessons learned from businesses that have been able to recover from a stalling growth or accelerate growth as they're looking for expansion or even just maintaining the status quo, but growing at market rate woman, I tell them because I get asked the same questions over and over. So a very dear friend of mine said she's on shark tank, Australia. Her name is name we Simpson because you know, I get stopped on the street. All the time. I got this idea. Like, how do I pitch it? And what do I need to do? So eventually literally I'd get asked twenty times a day. She sang this. She's like, I just easiest thing for me to write a book because then I could just say read the book so part of it was that. And and a lot of it was finding these patterns in the high performing companies what they were doing and big or small. I think there's a. A lot of lessons to be learned for any work on his Asian, regardless of industry or region or size. So that was kind of, you know, the the long answer to, you know, the question of what what may be sort of think about writing the book. For those of us after ma'am, sort of in this crowd is I'm very familiar with your work as an analyst, and and so on his so what's our products? Reselling who are you selling for him? Well, I started out early on selling for a legal legal software company that was doing sort of bullying searching for big document cases that being scanned in coded. And so instead of a paralegal having to dig through tens of thousands of documents looking for something it would basically be scanned in coded. And then you could sort of search through those documents. And this is you know, early surveying ninety six ninety seven ish. And when I was working, I was the only sales rep and we were doing. Hundred thousand a month or something like that. And and I knew that it was that dial for dollars like I'm gonna call a hundred people tenure backfiring that support of jerk. Ryan, it was reading a low technology product news when day, and there was this sort of ad for this value added reseller, which I didn't really know what that was anti read this ad like hold on a second. So like, they'll sell our stuff for us. So I like reached out. How do I get you to sell our stuff, and that was sort of my my entry into understanding third party channels in indirect channel programs. So I convinced the CEO in founder at the time to let's go recruit sort of five or ten of these guys that look like this and that we can all their sales people doing it. And so, of course, we really taxed the software in the revenue in sort of everything we were doing, and it really fly wheeled of the growth for the business in I was recruited away instead of working for a time based billing software once again into legal. So I was very deep in vertical. Really learn that Bertel, and then I left and went to a value at a reseller selling into the vertical selling hardware software and services outsourcing services in so I got the spectrum in a vertical moving from software to software and hardware to services to the full life cycle if you will. And then we got bought by distributor at the time and started selling professional services. And then I landed. It sprint which was random for all kinds of reasons. But they wanted to stand a professional services organization and said, hey, you know, how to do this you come here in one of the clients was a client or an investment client for ideologue, which was one of the very verse dot com investment VC's. And I decided that this cloud thing wasn't called that ban. Right. But the internet that was kind of interesting really different for me. So I wanted to go try that out. And so I started working for web hosting company. We received sixty five million in funding went out and rolled up a bunch of small little hosting really pushing the envelope on on what it meant to to get small businesses on the on the web, you know, who mind getting a website in this is two thousand ninety nine two thousand one and two and then started working for the largest web host or in the in the US we were four times the size rack space at the time. And ultimately, we were aloke was beta. Client. We were constant contacts. Beta client, we were plus Spada client. And so we were really at the forefront of things like infrastructure service, and it wasn't called that then we restarted application service provider. And and I was really fortunate to then run sales marketing customer service. So I learned a lot about social selling selling via chat and phone, and then how to use customer service as never sales engine. And have you scaled ten people, you know, and search engine optimization banner ads. We owned the word web hosting for like five bucks, which was this. This was 'interland which is now by which is now, by the way, web dot com. So it's web dot com in our dedicated business, became pier. One in that a lot of our intellectual property was was picked up by by other by other web firms, but that was super early. And so it gave it's sort of indoctrinated me into. Selling the subscription services, and you know, online and no field sales. No face to face sales in really hot industry. More importantly about what people didn't really understand. So you really had to teach them. And then I and then when the transition happened between Ireland and web dot com, I left and was hired by gateway. Computers to stand up a division for them for indirect selling which they had never had before they had closed the stores were a sell through partners in. So they brought me on board to to sort of stand that up, and I was there until a gateway broke to half the business to Acer in half the business to Micron PC in landed it than landed at Gartner. And so I didn't know my path, you know, looking back when I was at Gartner, I looked back and said what's great about. This is that I understand selling software, and hardware and services in cloud. I've worked in distribution telco. And you know, not that I run had run multi. Billion dollar divisions. It was just that I experienced it as a rep, you know, as eighty quote, a bearing not leader in. So it gave me this very unique practitioners perspective Gardner, and I think that gave me a leg up against other analysts that may have just been sort of more academic on on those particular topics, and which was women counter mostly that's mostly what you encounter in. And so I had I was able to understand sort of the little subtleties of doing things. And so, you know, who knew ten ten years later, I was a research fellow and really pushing the envelope on on the future sales in really the digital impact to the way companies will integrate sales marketing service in and then Salesforce offered me something that I just couldn't resist in. So now, I have this wonderful opportunity to sort of balance two things, you know, it's a I get to travel around the world meet with clients in here in learn. Wonderful things they're doing, but I also get to work with clients that are trying to figure out their way forward in. So once again, it all kinda led to this book growth IQ, but more importantly, it's it's sort of a combination of my own experience. And then all the thousands of conversations I've had over twenty five years. Let's jump to the book. I mean, that's great. I'm glad we got that background. I mean, so because I think it's as much of unusual for for analysts have been a practitioner to the extent, you're at least my experience. So it's always talking to an academic who's studied sales, but never really done it. Throw the constant fiend throughout the book as that. Yeah. The whole idea growth is really hard. It's not it's not something take forgive him. Yeah. I would tell you that one of the very first quotes in the book is growth in comfort. Never coexist from Ginny remedy iovine PM, and that really set the frame for the whole book because I one of the number one thinks I would here is from a client. Look, we're really struggling in this quarter. We have to end the quarter strong. What's the one thing? We can do a should I spend more marketing dollars. Should I hire more sales people? Should we cut costs? Right. It would be the same. Dials would get turned. And I learned early on that it was never just one thing. And that really began this whole process for growth, I q which was the one thing about growth is never one thing. And that if you're comfortable, even if you're growing how so for those of you listening, right? If you have a, you know, a sales team or a company that's growing, and you're listening to go. I don't have a problem. This is the time to actually invest in. Where you think you need to be? One two years from now because when you're coming from a place of strength of we are growing, this is the time to pilot test things because if they don't work we're not in the business on it. Because if you're already starting to feel a stall, and you're trying to make a course correction, it's a lot more risky is. You don't have the additional capital to make those investments things are slowing down may have to actually cut costs. Morale might be lower. You know, all of the things are working against you versus trying to do it from a place of strength without seems to issue. The time sue with with startups with my experience of of this is the. There's a sumptuous like we're going really great now. It's gonna continue as opposed to what you just talked about is. Yeah, it's going really great now. But may we've had some great good fortune. We hit a moment or something but moments don't last. Yeah. And I would tell you that that it's not only that it doesn't last. But those that I've learned that are very successful are the ones that constantly had this kind of canary in the coal mine where you have a quarter, that's really strong another quarter. That's really strong. Then you have a quarter. That's a little softer. But still strong on another quarter. That's a little softer than the last quarter, but still strong, but it's going slightly in the wrong direction. Growing at ten percent. In your growing eleven percent. The nine percent ten percent than seven than eight than six than seven. Right. You're still growing. But you're not going ten eleven twelve thirteen right? You're going you're still growing. But you're you're growing less can maybe keeping pace with your market. It maybe not even keeping pace with your market. But when it goes two or three quarters of of either flat, no growth or a decline even slight. Is where you need to start to go. Hold on a second. You know, something's going on is our marketing those affective or sales teams. What's what is causing whatever's happening and many companies make the mistake that they look externally like what's happening in the market that's causing us not to grow. And there was a great study by Bain looking across the industry, and the CEO's were were great in the research in saying that like ninety or ninety five percent of the issues that they were facing were actually internal not external when it came to growth in. So that tends to be a area for improvement where when you start to see things start to slow down to look inward. I again, we optimize what we're doing. Do. We have the right tools in place to we have the right? You know, it's a people process issue in then once you've exhausted that then you can go okay now, what's happening externally. I mean, unless you're in a highly regulated industry where you have no control over regulations changing that completely disrupt your your. Market. That's different. There are always outliers. So anyone listening goes, I I don't buy what she there are always outliers. But in the in the main, you know, you have to be willing to pay attention that you cannot just brush off a quarter or two of softness as just an anomaly, you need to really dig into why it's happening. So that you can get ahead of it. Because if you're in a full blown growth stall, there's research out there that shows that some eighty percent of companies will go through a growth stall in some point in their lives. Right. Quantum haute and only a small percentage recovers in that. So what do you mean by recover, though? Because I mean, obviously companies go through that in high fraction survive, but to recover to robust growth again. Yeah. To guess too robust growth, and a lot of that has to do with what I was just describing that if you're in a stall then your in defense mode. You may have to be right. You're cutting back marketing spent while if you're cutting back, Mark. Spend it's impacting lease visit impacting lead sales. Right. And so once you start to cut anything, you're you're coming from a place of will. So how do you recover if you're cutting? And so that's why if you're growing in your growing, well that this is the time to invest, so even if you stumble, you course, correct, you can fix it. You're always going to be coming back to a place of you're still growing. But if you get into, you know, four to six quarters of no growth or declining growth if that's considered. You're you are in a full-blown growth stall. You know, I think they're too. Really interesting points in there that you that you talk about one is is that when you looking at internal events as being sort of the things that are dictating whether your growth is continuing is those those are things you have control over, and you mentioned that in the right about that. As you say, you know, what a shame it is after all internal factors overture. You're supposed to have control as supposed to move by your competitor's market shifts are black swan event. So. I think that's really critical. This is we think about it. Also, a more narrow sales focus, and I I see sales people having troubles. It's because again, they're looking externally was saying, well, what are the things that I have control over that. I can dictate that. I can that. I'd the levers I can move that will make a difference. Yeah. And I say this often I get mixed results on what about to say. But you know, I feel like, you know, once again as a recovering seller. Yeah. No, really. Well. Yes. Because we're constantly. You know, if you don't carry a quota anymore. It's like you sort of urine to have the quote again. And then, you know, so. Yes. But. So it is that I believe there's one thing sales rep can control. And only one thing. So as a rep I'm talking individual quota carrying account executive. I don't get to pick my quota. That's for sure I don't get to pick. Usually, I don't get to pick the territory I'm selling into or the vertical I'm selling into. I don't get to pick the tools, I'm using usually. I don't get to pick. What I do every day. You know, it's call a hundred people. This is what I measured on. I don't design my own plan. I I don't pick. My how to do a pipeline review in a sort of excetera etcetera set. Right. A one thing I can control is my my behavior in front of a client whether that's on the phone in an Email or face to face. And so for me, it's you know, hound conceals reps be a student of their profession in. It's a cover this a little bit in my sales optimization chapter that back to what you're saying. Like, what can I do to help course? Correct personally. Because all that other stuff. I can't control. I can't make suggestions I can work with my, you know, my manager and try to change some things around to see if things will work, but at the end of the day if I can do things personally. So maybe that means I need to know my vertical better. So I can overcome objections better. Does it mean? I learn the tools how to maximize their usage and especially around things like artificial intelligence. Like, can I make it work for me versus feeling like it's working against me? It can I be smarter. About who on talking to. And what I'm what information I'm giving or how I'm leveraging social selling or social media or platforms like those things you can't control. And and if everybody did that as a sales rep versus saying, I've always done it this way, I'm always gonna continue to do it this way. Ben, I think there's huge opportunity for improvement going. The same lines though is is. As long as their sales reps are putting the heads down saying, well, the company told me this is what I should be doing from customers. And this is the process used this methodology instead of taking the bull by the horns and taking responsibility for the behavior from customers and and optimize it for whom. They are then they're not gonna grow either. Absolutely. And I'd say I think one of the hardest roles today left. I wish I could see people's faces when I say this rapid, I think one of the hardest. Roles today is actually that middle sales management layer because in individual quoting rep is sort of saying upstream, right? This isn't working like this at the leads aren't good whatever they're saying. So sales manager has demanded down. Meaning I don't mean that looking down. I mean managing on into their team. Right. But also the manager has to manage up. Well, my manager is telling me your team should be calling thousand people a day driving, you know, X amount of pipe per week and y amount manager squeezed between the the, you know, the face to face customer facing a ease who actually know what's going on. They're getting squeezed between the reality and the process from above. And so they're squeezed between managing up and down. And then that sales managers manager is doing the same thing because you know, they're managing down depending how large of an organization you are. And so it's this you're caught between the front line that you know, is saying it's just not working and management telling upper management. It's just not working upper management going. Well, we cannot disrupt the apple cart because that's where we are in our revenue. So if you're gonna do something that might impact sales than than it's an issue. Well, here's a question for this is the serve out of left field a little bit. But through driven by your chapter. Optimizing sales and productivity is certain segments. Specially more on the spot. And so on there's these ideas five x pipeline coverage to get our certain amount of revenue and so on. And I look at the way many companies doing that. I see that. It's really kind of wasteful, right? The quality of the prospects that putting the top of the funnel just hit their pipeline coverage. Certain aren't really very good is what if what if the challenge was to to us, ask them and say look. Yeah. Here's your revenue targets same. But I don't see more than two experts in coverage. Meaning I want you to get better prospects. Do better Java qualify close much higher fraction of it. Yeah. Well, customers interested is one of those things that sales gets really uncomfortable, and specifically the sales managers because they're like, okay, we're gonna become more customer Centric of an organization was that mean to me had a why how how do I like train that? How do I measure it? How do I manage it? Like, how do I hold people accountable for it in that really seems to be one of the big challenges? The first chapter in the book is customer experience. When I talk about this. If you cut being sort of customer Centric is one thing customer experience, a sort of the outcome of how customer Centric, you are. But in Salesforce research two years ago customer experience was one of the number one metrics starting to bubble up for sales people a now just one year later, it became customer satisfaction in my opinion. The reason that happened is because see sat is much easier to measure because you can get a C sat score or customer experiences is one of the soft metrics whether you're tracking net promoter score. Maybe you have an opportunity to do that. But then how do you tell an individual quoting rep that they're going to be held responsible for net. Promoter score across the whole company. And that that may be a lever for them for an accelerator on compensation in there like well, like a little gnat, you know, on the whole grams game net promoter score versus saying like in my customer base. What's the satisfaction? That's. Little bit easier to measure, but I think this goes back to you know, how sales reps can actually control, but you know, someone much smarter than I has said that your customers will only be happy as your employees in. So making sure that sales feels empowered to do what's right for the customer. If you're gonna as an executive lead out and say, we're going to be more customer Centric, we're leading with customer experience. But Mr. sales rep, I want you to call a hundred people today. It's like we'll hold on. Do you have to call ten people in really meaningful valuable conversations or do you want me to churn through a hundred because those are two very different things. So going back to that squeezed layer right of the manager in the middle who's like executives going into all about customer experience sales rep is going, well, if it's about customer experience, don't tell an end rates all about customer experience call thousand people today. Right. Yeah. Well, this is we've got these contradictory impulses. And I think that there's sort of a level of trivia security blanket because a lot of company. Figured out the formula that we know right? We know what our ratios are. We know for you know, make thousand calls will generate one hundred prospects will close twenty of those. And but I'm always amazed by talked to. Yes or middle tier, and sometimes even CRO level that smaller companies this idea about well. Okay. Instead of being in love with the five x pipeline coverage. Let's let's let's make three x and just a better job of qualifying closing. It's that makes them really nervous. Like, they don't even think about it in that regardless of the time because they're so they know this is this is predictable. Yeah. Absolutely. But it's not good. It's breakable, but it's not good cracked and this going back to your original question. These. And something's questions you're asking me in this conversation. We're having can almost paralyze people around where do I begin, you know? So I feel like we're starting to slow down in growth. What is it that? I'm not doing what should I be doing? Where do I start? We're growing. Really? Well, I wanna keep it going where go I start. What are the things we have been doing that have been working in the past that are not going to be working twelve to twenty four months from now? How do I replace those things where do I start and a coined this term sellers dilemma many years ago, which was a play on Clayton christianson innovators celeb- on the reason I said it is because as a sales leader the dilemma is how do I change the tires on a car going around the track a hundred miles an hour driving the car going around the track at a hundred miles an hour is revenue. And I know CEO's gonna go let's do a three month pitstop earn no revenue, and let's fix everything. Right. And you you if you think of if you know, if you watch, you know, formula racing or NASCAR, whatever that you pull over. And you know, you have a pit stop. That's like whatever six seconds, and we're gonna change the tires and change the oil and get back on the track. And so think about that as a sales leader like how how much time can I take to pull over and think about what do I need to change number one number two. How much time you know, how much of my mental capacity. Am I gonna take out of my day to give myself that pit stop to say? Hey, what's the canary? What's changing? What does it look the way? And then let me test some things while at the same time cars going around the track. And so that's why I coined that the dilemma the seller Salama because it is not an easy thing to overcome. So as a sales leader, you really have to think about carving time out of your days to set aside to say, I'm just gonna look at the business from the inside. Could we doing anything? Better smarter faster. What's not working anymore? What could we what's really working that we could double down on all of those things? And if you don't have the time to do it, and you have a large enough organization, I suggest that you hire somebody who has sort of your strategy arm, who's constantly watching the data. And what is it telling you, and how can you consistently do those little pitstops to get everybody to go kick? That's not working anymore. Boom. We're gonna try this. But the whole team. Has to understand why they're doing it. And so the other side of the innovators dilemma conversation for me was about if you're gonna do this. And you're gonna try some of the examples I just gave or you had a strategy person you run to try new things you also have the culture that's willing enable rewarded for innovating even if it's failing. So you know, innovation cannot happen. If a culture does not reward, and I don't mean catastrophic failure, obviously. But like that campaign didn't work. Let's try another one like people lose their job because the campaign didn't work or we tried something where we were only calling out the ten people instead of a hundred people don't do it with all your sales reps. Grab a couple of try their, you know, so you have to have a culture where people are willing to bring ideas bubble them up as well, as you know, being rewarded for for the activities that in. Fact, actually work you're on think about this. I labeled at the difference between selling culture and a sales culture selling cultures just heads down. You know, we've got this formula. It's not terribly effective or fishing but with predictable. We know it's going to generate surmount, but we're just heads down orders doing right to me. That's like a selling culture, but sales cultures just as you described. How do we how do we keep our eyes open about how I'm better constantly look at how we can come more productive fairy our selling time we spend to generate more revenue. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And so look this is an easy, you know, for the sales manager's listening. You know, this is a personal challenge to you as sales managers to say, how do I manage up down enable and empower people to try things. How do I carve time out of my day to watch what's happening internally at n -ticipant potentially something that's around the corner. How do I manage them up the food chain to sort of share what I'm learning and showing that we're trying things in what's working what's not working? That's that's a challenge and then for individual sales reps really taking the opportunity to share things you're learning that you think may work better. And how do you actually present that in a way, and this is really hard not from a place of emotional alike. I'm not gonna hit my number because you know, the leads are junk like you have to come back and go look over the last three months, I've really noticed that the quality of leads us gone down. And so I dug into it. And I noticed that from this particular source, the leads were already always terrible. So maybe we can let marketing no that those aren't the great. Or should we ask other people on the team? Are they seeing the same thing? Like, you need to come forward with not just the problem statement, but a potential solution and how you can find a way forward. I think you know, that's where. Where you have to really flex your confidence. If you will to to find a way forward yet. I think along with that is is also because we, you know, you stated very for. Well, the is about what sellers can control is their behavior in front of prospects and buyers is that for me is is there certain of courage involved with with top producers to sort of, you know, the they break the rules a little bit, right? I mean, there's certain process method set out, but but they're saying look I can do things differently and better. And when I find too often now is a cellar waiting to get permission to do that as opposed just begging for forgiveness, which is what you need to do. Yeah. And so this is not my research, but Mike Bosworth who has basically is the grandfather solution selling Mike, and I had a whole conversation to be it'd be eight years ago. And he his most recent book talks about this. As well where you sort of have this middle group of sales reps. That are just very process driven like tell me where to go. Tell me what to do tell me what tools to use. And I'm just gonna follow the process because I know if I call a hundred twenty call me like I'm just going to work the process and that tends to be the sixty about sixty five percent. According to his sixty five percent of the sales force two words fall in that category. As a sales leader, unfortunately, people tend to pivot towards the high performers like how do I replicate? More of them had why train those the sixty five percent to behave. More like the by the fifteen percent on that high performer in a dozen have to do with quota attainment has everything to do with what you were just saying like this internal understanding and personality of I'm just going to go for it. You know, where so it it has some what to do with quota, but a lot to do with just the behavior of that particular kind of sales rep in. So for me, you know, if if I were still running a sales team, I would never pilot things with my top performers, and I would also almost never ask them their opinion of what I think we should do because their perspective is so unique, and you really don't want to disrupt them where you have your greatest leverage is in that sixty five percent if you can improve quota attainment two to five percent in the middle. It's huge in care. If you have five people or five thousand ultimately moving to defy. So now, let's go back to. You know, once again, I'm trying to optimize. I'm trying to improve performance. I'm trying to continue to grow. Let the high performers hit hundred hundred five hundred ten percent. I maybe I could get another percent out of them. But if I can focus on according to see us, oh research, we still are in the low sixty percents are achieving quota that number has been flat or going down through even though all these tools in advancements are coming along and our research shows, you know, some sixty percent of sales person's time is spent on non selling activities, whose if you just focus on those two things non selling activities. And how do I improve quota in that middle you as a sales later will be a hero. Now, you just have to figure out how to do it and the answer to that goes back to the book. The one thing is never one thing. If you ask me the question, I couldn't answer I would come back and say to you. What's the context of your market, which is really the premise of my book. I can't answer until I understand the context of your market your customer set. You're offering etc. What things do you have to do in combination? So it's not just optimize sales but could be expanded to new markets or make partnerships the second legged stool for growth accu- is combining multiple activities. And then the third thing is in which order. Are you gonna roll out to an entirely new market before you've even hired sales reps and train them. Probably not. But you'd be surprised how many people do that? So, you know, the book was really a framework by which if you're really trying to tackle some of these things that Andy, and I are talking about that, regardless of whether you're an individual contributor first time manager line manager, executive you will get something out of it. Because there's thirty case studies that walk you through all kinds of companies in different sizes in different streets in points in time where they were added critical. Crossroads to make a decision about growth. What they what they decided why they decided it in what the result is. And I guarantee you you will learn something out of one of those case studies Becca as it's a great book should pick it up and read it. So, unfortunately, we're out of time. But. Blast. Also, so tell folks they can find out more about what you're doing. Well, they can go to Lincoln that can follow me there. They can follow me on Twitter at Tiffany underscore Bova, or they can pick up the book growth, I q at at retail establishments of Barnes and nobles and independent bookstores around the country as well as online, and it's going to be launching in the UK Commonwealth here at the end of February. And then it continues it sort of road trip around the globe in launching the middle and the end of nineteen Ford for the countries in the twentieth coming out into, but I speak often. So if you you hear this, and you I love to hear when people disagree because it helped shape how I say things the next time or even changes the way I was thinking about things. So I love feedback other either way I always. My books someone else. I when they said what's your book about and I was like I thought I knew, but then I published it and I learned about something else. So that feedback from users readers, very important. Absolutely. Absolutely. I couldn't agree more. All right, Tiffany. Thank you. Thank you. Okay. Friends that was exceleron for this week. First of all as always thank you for joining me, a special special day with episode seven hundred next episode one thousand one think my guess, Tiffany Bova. Join me next week, my guest, Paul cherry. We're talking with Paul about his new book the ultimate sales pro with the best sales people do differently. Definitely enjoyed that conversations. Really interesting book. 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Introducing Your New Co-Host

The Ross Bolen Podcast

1:20:23 hr | 6 months ago

Introducing Your New Co-Host

"The. You back. The Check welcome back to the rose. Bowl and podcast otherwise known as rb p presented by bowling media. I'm your host Ross Bohlin here today. For the first time ever with my new number two Bolan media employee number two has arrived. You're looking at him. If you'RE ON YOUTUBE DOT com slash bowl in media. I can point this way, and it looks like I'm pointing at you. Chris Carlson Chris. Say Hi to the people quickly. Hello, everybody! We hit a workout this morning. Ross is back in full swing. We have all the endorphins and all of the nerves for today's episode. I haven't been nervous. For recording. Since I knew I was going to have to speak to scarface on the phone. Which is obviously nerve wracking when you've never spoken to scarface on the phone? And even I'm nervous today, so Chris is going to have some nerves have some nerves it. We've been looking forward to this for what? Five months at the lead. At the least we knew we'll get to this a little bit more and we'll We'll talk a little bit more. Let Chris tell you a little bit about himself in our first segment but we've known this day was coming for quite a while. It is something I've looked forward to maybe more than I've ever looked forward to anything in my entire life based on the amount of work. That I had to do this past year. SORTA Solo Dolo to get here. But I some announcements and shouts happy birthday to Savannah. And also DEZ did not catch. It. I'm sorry. He made me say you know who it was a t- FM readings chapters. One through eleven are now available on Youtube Dot. com slash bowling media. If you've missed any of the readings from the book that we've been doing every Sunday at nine pm, central on twitch dot TV slash boss, role and they. They're all. All available on YouTube dot com slash bowling media fee to take in and watch, and this is important because this upcoming Sunday at nine pm. Central on twitch DOT TV slash boss role, and we will be doing the final chapter chapter, Twelve and the prologue or eulogy or Epilogue, or whatever the fuck. It's called an inference by the way for chapter ten. Or Eleven. Eleven. Chris was there with me and kind of sitting in the background, getting to listen to this ridiculous chapter was called road trip raging. And we had a blast. Go check it out. YOUTUBE DOT com slash bowling media in huge shouts to everybody who's tuned in when we are live on twitch, dot, TV slash, boss, rolling Chris and I deal a war zone last night, kind of switching off in the in the chair on the COMP, and we had a blast, but actually craziest shit ever happened. I'm sitting there playing in Chris sitting right behind me on the couch, right and. I've got headphones on playing warzone. It's fucking gunfire everywhere and I hear him. Say something. He's like. You're about to be I think you're being rated by Doug's. And it kind of clicked in my head and I was like Doug's. Why do I know that name? And then it occurred, and if for those of you who are unaware Dan cats, otherwise known as Barstool big cat, one of the two hosts with PF t of pmt pardon, my take the most popular sports podcast in the fucking world Dan started doing something during corn teen period here where we've all been screwed in. There are no sports where he's playing NCAA twenty fourteen I believe it is as coach Doug's and If you haven't seen it, I don't know how that's possible. You just must not be on social media, but the point is this. He rated R. Stream which means that every single viewer he had was taken over to our stream. And now you need to keep this in mind. I'm used to a maximum of like you know sixty five to seventy five viewers, and we watched it spike in less than a minute from that to what seven thousand people. A few quite a few people I needed a fresh pair of shorts immediately. It was like there's footage of my reaction on our social media already on on the Ross Bohlin podcast, twitter and Instagram, but it was fucking madness. Literally the Stream crashed. It couldn't even handle all the comments we were getting most of which were telling me that my audio is muted or that I was a simple or a pedophile, all of which made me laugh. It was just like the most chaotic several minutes of my entire life. Are Average viewership was up like one million percent and the stat recap as Chris pointed out to me yesterday from our next stream that we do like tonight is going to be the most depressing thing ever when. Your viewership is down. One hundred percent. Yeah, yeah, dude, but it was really really cool huge shouts to Dan on for those of you who are unaware Dan? Cats actually is my mentor like my professional mentor. At this point, he's taking me on his amen. T We've just gotten started with that relationship as a result of everything that's going on with Kobe was SORTA delayed, but Great Dude couldn't be more appreciative of him. Rating are streaming giving us that kind of audience to work. Where we picked up a shit ton of new followers, and I got to talk some good shit to all the followers that were in there talking shit to me. It was a lot of fun. We had a blast tune in on twitch. Twitch DOT TV. Slash boss role in B. o S Ro elion. When you see, we're live. Warzone is the focus right now, but we are going to be doing a lot more on twitch in the coming months, so prepare that asphalt subscribed share. We're getting the fucking in sixty four and the Super Nintendo in all the old video games I have set up so that we can run some of those as well, but enough of that enough of the announcements. Let's do this. Let's get into it I segment. Introducing your new co host Chris Carlson. So today is a day I've waited for as I said for literally over a year I've been doing this shit alone. legit almost every episode just yet. To myself like a street person who had the met pipe, too many times I'm doing all the social media all the writing all the marketing, all the planning and scheduling and failing to do any of that. To the extent that it's needed and finally. Finally. My number two is here. My is here Chris. Twenty one years old. Tell us where you're from man so I'm from Lake Norman North. CAROLINA WHICH IS A. Suburban town about twenty minutes north of Charlotte North Carolina Great City. If you've ever had the chance visit Charlotte. I have no, you'll know. It's a fantastic city. If you have not absolutely visit, I was blessed enough on Lake Norman to grow up geographically on a lake, twenty minutes away from a big city, an hour, and a half from the mountains and three hours from the beach. Line and makes me feel ashamed about my life. I do like to get outside and enjoy life as much as I can. like I said, I've been really blessed a lot of really awesome opportunities, and even better people growing up where I grew up and You know it'd be a shame to waste all of that so I've tried to make especially the last I would say probably two years trying to make you know every day as best as I can make it, stay present and live it up. Absolutely Chris and I actually met. Ironically. Through Gaming as you know as I've spoken to before at the end of October last year when my wife left me. I bought a gaming pc the next fucking day. I ordered it the next day. And when it came in I started encouraging listeners of our BP to come through and play apex legends, with which at the time was like my game of choice. And Chris was one of the first people who did with his Gamertag Kohl's. His last name is Colson is Gamertag is Kohl's Q. Zero Ls Q. Zero You LS as is, thank you as tradition with with gamers. We like to throw in a fucking number here in there got to. And, that's how we got to know each other man. We played apex legends together for months, and then it became very apparent to me, based on all the conversations that Chris and I had that as i. put it long ago. I was looking for me ten years ago. Right? Yeah, that was the whole goal to find somebody like I, said he's twenty one years old, so we're bridging the gap between my aging old asset thirty three in our core audience, which is eighteen to twenty five, obviously, and I'm not saying like. I don't know shit about Shino. But like he knows about like anime and Shit, I know about shit like fucking friends and Ross Geller by the way this has never seen friends I tried just was just wasn't for me, was my thing. It just amazes me. That's an amazing thing for him to have have never watched but Chris has never done. A podcast is an entire life before number one. This is number one. So welcomed the kid follow him on Social Media Crystal. Your social media's real quick. Yes, so on twitter. Twitter is Chris Colson two one five C.. O. U. L. S.. O. N. ON INSTAGRAM IT. Change I'm sorry. My twitter is now. Coles q zero you. L. S.. My instagram is Chris S C.? Nine nine and my snapchat is Chris Underscore Colson against the O.. U. L. S. O. N. If you want to get in touch with me, I'm still good about checking my right now. They haven't been flooded Ross's yet. My snapchat go directly to me regardless if I've added you back or not, so if you really want to talk to me, probably hit me up on snapchat. I'll. I'll get back to you pretty quickly. but makes you follow me on their. Keep up with what we're doing. these next couple months are going to be insane. We WanNa make you guys are part of the journey as much as possible, so make sure you follow us both. Keep involved and I'm super excited to be here and to really like guys what it's like to be a part of this journey yet. Follow him everywhere and support him in the same way that you have me. That would be my request for all of you listening Chris's a I would call you already a mental health advocate and a mental health patient as am I right? Yes, one of the original things that you and I talked about on twitch was some of your battles with mental health and obviously everyone on this show is more than familiar with mind, so if you would just briefly give a little outline, and now this is something we'll get into much more in the future blit like just briefly absolutely, and can I touch on our introduction on apex cut how that evolved as well to touch on whatever you want. Do Awesome. Touch me. So I'll start with the. I'll start with how exactly Rawson I got introduced. In Matin everything like that, so it's probably about November I want to say. When we first started playing pick surgeons, I'll be honest. It helped out a little bit that I'm really good at video, games. He used to he he carried me hard so Rossen I played for a long time together and just being good at video games. I think cross wanted to keep me coming back at first before. We really knew each other. We would get wins, and it was nice to have entertaining a high pace, apex content, and like I said we were mixing in different listeners like you listen to the show before. Yeah, oh. That's a whole thing I discovered rb BP on Episode Twenty Two I want to say I went back to try to find the exact one and I'm pretty sure pretty confident. Episode twenty two was when I discovered Ross this will play mental health struggle as well, but with Apex Rawson I started playing together about January rolls around. We really start our friendship and relationship growing as future business partners friends at the time. And it went. Excellent had our first phone call interview on Super Bowl Sunday actually so February ninth I've forgotten. and. Violently stone it went great. I thought it went great Ross. Obviously who knows, doesn't you have gone great? I hired you there. We go so that happened and he was like. We need to get you down here as quickly as possible. Get your ass in the studio To meet in person, everything like that and then coronavirus eight so at that point. I really thought maybe this thing down the drain wasn't going to happen right luckily. Ross either has a genius financial planner, or did a really good job saving his money. It was actually just pure fucking. Luck based on the way. Things went in twenty, nineteen, where I was like stockpiling cash and effort to like you know. Make sure that the business would. Would survive. We fortunately did well enough to where it was like. Okay I can do this. I can trigger on Chris so luckily able rolls around and Ross. Kinda reaches out again and it's like look I really think that we can still make this happen. We still need to get you down here as soon as possible. He sends me a video one night of him rick. Ripping ball on the back porch and he's like book that. Book the folk to get calls so that night at like eleven fifty nine pm. I booked the ticket to fly down to Austin Texas. Come down may fifteenth Ross was generous enough to put me over the weekend. We had a fantastic interview like you said a couple of times I think it was pretty much a forty eight hour straight interview. Yeah three hours of which I was physically trapped in a car with him and could not go anywhere if it ever. Joe To Waco to get. My Dog Dr Chauffeur to pick up his dogs as part of his divorce. It was like we're swapping children. It was very interesting one of the most. I don't know if I will ever in the rest of my life haven't interviewed that tops that one. If I'm being completed well, hopefully, you'll never have another interview again. Exactly, that's the plan. That's why we're here but yeah so everything like that. Just kind of the universe really played a great role in that and everything Kinda falling into place, which played a law into mental health transition of the last year, so I get into my mental struggles now that's when I discovered Ross so like I, said discovered, Ross about episode twenty two at that time I was a freshman in college at the University of South Carolina. I thought I wanted to be a business major conduct corporate ladder, a frat boy. You know your typical sec school kind of thing sure. My Mom's a very successful businesswoman, so I've always, and I was pretty good at sales sold wake board boats for a year or two. We'll get to that at another time, but anyways. I thought business was really what I wanted to do. Because I'm good at talking to people and once I got there and I joined a fraternity, and I was in the business program, and I was becoming your. You know pretty typical, Chad. If you WANNA say it like that, you can We've got. Here and we got Chad. We got all kinds of people whose names have been ruined by Stereo honestly. And so I kind of realized that. As this was happening. This was also the first time that I really started to struggle with depression and anxiety at the time. I had no idea what it was. I called it a funk and I told my roommate I was in a funk and been there. Yeah, I'd like to doctors and they're like nothing is wrong with you I don't know what to tell you here bud. Your general physician general physician. We didn't every every blood test. The system I thought I had an st for a while had no like I thought I had everything how you get that out of the way up front. Yeah, he's no these guys I'm good I promised. Austin ladies away. So then. So yeah, then get to school and when I discovered podcasts. He really helped as well as discovering at the same time with kind of opening up my emotional vulnerability and becoming more. Okay with WHO I was and what I was going through. The normalization of rather than feeling like. Outcasts are messed up or something like that. You made it feel like it was something that it was just some people have it and when you have, it's part of life you work through it. You get through it every day. You do the best you can. That's all you can do, and there are dozens of and there's literally you're not alone. You're never alone. And so. When I discovered his podcast, it really really started to help my growth, personally and learning emotional vulnerability, and I started to realize that are my generation specifically has a significant issue with males being in tune with their emotions, without thinking that it's feminist or gay, or you know what I'm. Very weird thing with guys. My arrowing vibes on it that don't need to at all. There's nothing wrong at all. We're talking about your emotions and being vulnerable, and so now I really do my best to go out of my way to be as vulnerable as I can put it all out there because I've learned through people like Ross and discovering other things about myself. I've learned that that's by far with the way to go. And this is you guys will hear plenty plenty more about this in the in the future, but now going along the journey. Journey with Ross being a listener for three years now pretty much, and now having the ability to give back and do onto others what he could help for me to be able to make an impact even on one person or leaving lasting impact on one single person that's changing the world in your own little way, and so that's the biggest thing about me. Being here now is that I am just beyond thrilled and humbled and excited to be able to give back to you guys the same way. That Ross was able to get back to me. And, so that's really the biggest thing what this is all about for me. I think I. Know Knowing Rawson I that Bolan media's success will come in the future. No doubt about it. But to be able to make meaningful impact along that path is huge and we can't wait to do that for you. Guys Dude, it's It's been a weird experience like doing it alone. Because as those of you who have listened for a long time, no, this was never my intention like the plan was not to like. Do Bowling media, and then come in and do every episode by my fucking self that just. Why would anybody want to do that? But because of the way should unfolded last year, where like I had the big D- divorce we'll, both and then I had I we had covid like we still have covid it. Just fuck up to where it was like I. Don't know what the Shit like. Jared, who regularly co hosting with me? Like got a fulltime job. Aj was regularly co hosting with me. He got a fulltime job. It just ended up in a spot where I was like I said at the beginning me and here Yam to myself fucking our non stop, which I actually got really good at thankfully, but some of those first episodes. Yeah I see why somebody all bounced Point being, it's been a long time coming and I'm very much looking forward to us. Chris said Y'all experiencing the growth of bull in media as a result of this higher because. y'All. Don't know how I mean I know. Some of you know but like there's so much stuff we can do and that can be done that haven't been able to do, just because I don't have the time or the energy. Especially, because of some of the mental health struggles that I've gone through myself right? So Chris and I have been able to lean on each other long distance would through the mental health stuff, and that was like the original conversation that that showed me like Holy Shit. Okay, this could be my kid. This could be the kid right here that we need on the squad to take this shit to the next level, and then the more just based on the mental health stuff alone in his perspective on it because for twenty one year. Year old keep in mind I was twenty one years old when I had my first panic attack and my perspective at that point on life was incredibly fucking limiting i. didn't know a whole lot about lot thought I did, but I didn't know shit in when I spoke to you about some of the mental health stuff just streaming, it became very apparent that you were way ahead of where I was at that point on the mental health side, which was like it just had gave me an immediate respect for you from there. The more that we got to of hang out online and talk. I figured out that you are very funny and smart and I was like Oh fuck. This is gonNA, work. Just to touch on the interview again. Real quick when I flew down. The first night, he literally. Had to talk to me for six hours straight that was he six our conversation to be fair I, didn't it? It's this was not a forced conversation by any way she had no choice. That's fair you. You'RE GONNA run out of the house. Okay, that's true. That's very true, but I mean this when we're not like sitting down across from the table, each other looking at one point. Point Ross is sitting on his kitchen counter. My back's against the floor. We're just talking. We're talking about religion like I'm on the floor. He's on the counter. He I remember. He said we got a little, just a little high, and he's just a little high is a little bit, and he said I mean fuck man. We've already talked about everything else you WanNa just knockout religion and Yeah. Let's do it man. Let's get a role and yet and it's. Chris brings a lot of different perspectives on a Lotta Shit that I have I have slightly different views on, so it's like. We have an incredible balance y'all we'll see over the coming episodes, but all in all. It's Ju. It ended up being a very good fit I'm super excited to have you here. Obviously, and and you deserve a lot of credit to dude because it's not an your family. Is Not easy to take a jump into something like this because I remember when I did I, was employee number three at a company that the first two employees were the founder. The the CO founders yes. Oh, you're basically doing exactly what I did and I remember at the time like we'll. Actually for me was a little easier because my parents were like. You literally have no other opportunities. You have to take this job. And I was like all right I was going to fuck. But working on PFM and all that it was just like I remember the experience of Front, and it did take guts in took. Like, because you know I mean it's a start up. Bro Like it's a fucking risk. You have to believe in the PURP-. You have to believe in the platform in the message in everything that we're doing for it to work. And it became so apparent that Chris did that. I was like. Yeah, this is my and we interviewed what six or seven other people I interviewed. Interviewed, six or seven people, all of which were incredible candidates, everybody that applied I appreciate you all of Y'all that have reached out to me for either an opportunity in the future on bowling media or the that tried to get this co host position like do not be discouraged by that because like I, said Chris and I just saw the fate thing man we met. Through total chance on fucking gaming completely random got to know each other for six months pressures the interview and he's here, but in the future the ideas that. Chris and I are going to build this thing to where there are other opportunities for other people to come in and contribute and be employees as well so that will be the next step I did want to quickly share story. You mentioned that you were in business school. I was by the way. The bug you that University of South Carolina and University of Southern California both the USC thing. It bugged a lot of people that went to south. Carolina, but like I didn't grow up a South Carolina Fan. Neither of my parents. Grew Up. So. That's another thing. My my dad went to really small two year school and played football, there called show on in northern. North Carolina at in Murfreesboro number. And my mom went to UNC Charlotte which up until three years ago, I wanNA say didn't have a football team, so my Granddad is down south deep South Alabama country boy, who's a die, hard roll tide fan, and just couldn't pull the trigger to roll pull for the Alabama Crimson tide all the time I. Just don't have enough at a tie there and people would always waning. You know exactly college will never really was my thing, but growing up. My Dad bought season tickets for the panthers there. Naw Nago season in ninety five. Section five thirty three row, eleven seats, four six and seven same seats the entire time he's had the exact same ones. We still have them. So I grew up a die, hard panthers fan, so nfl kind of took the place at college for me. I Still Watch a lot of college football, but I wouldn't really say Abbott team to four except for APP state recently just because I have a lot of friends that play for upstate Oh word, and they've been kind of crushing it to their. That's very random. Yeah, but I mean great program. Really Cool School, if you. You ever have the chance to go to Appalachian State's beautiful low mountain town up there boone North Carolina another thing you and I have in common by the way I never had a college football team I grew up with like a shit. Ton of AGGIES but as I've said many times those freaks y'all are Colt and the whole damn families aggies by the lunch with an aggie yesterday. She was wearing the ring A. Alone is enough to make you be like what the Shit Yeah, and it's very bright like it's not subtle like when you see the Ring I. Didn't even have she goes on. Oh, exactly exactly graduated from you looking college that big of a deal Jesus Christ. Yeah, so I want to bring. The only one I have now is is half Tattoo, which by the way if at some point if any all? fucking laser Tattoo Removal Person Holler at your boy. I just gotTa go gotta go. It looks like I drew with a fucking Golden Crayon. A wedding ring on my finger, which is which is not what happened, but I did want to say story real quick. When I got to take state. I had obviously a terrible GPA in high school. I was not in the top ten percent. I'll just put it that way. In fact, I was the fifty second percentile. In a high school that should have been out say fairly easy for me based on just my general intelligence to be much higher than that that is above halfway though so right below halfway fifty percentiles go the I duNNo. Know, because the bottom damn half, okay, but they fucked up my transcript so when I applied to Texas state. They thought I was fifty second in my class in my class had like sixteen hundred people in it or what? That's huge, so they were probably like why. The fuck is even here. So the second that I went to orientation, they were like dude. You need to be in business school and they made me felt the McCoy business school application and I got an immediately. which I was probably thrown out of after my first semester after achieving a point four zero GPA that may do it all this is to say that I once had business aspirations and look where we are now delinquent co hosting and hosting a podcast now we're running a business. L. Shah you suckers. Oh God help us. But, yeah Christmas year stoked Y'all are going to get to know him a lot more over the course of the coming months. Obviously, we didn't just fucking unload all of Chris in one day that would be strange and awkward probably, but I couldn't be more excited like I said. The Dude drove sixteen fucking hours. Parents are bringing his shit down on Tuesday evening. Coming down as well, yeah, shoutout to the to the rents for sure they've been hugely supportive in this whole move and everything like that Rick and Diane Incredible People Fairly, Diane, for trusting me with your baby boy side away super excited for them. Yeah, My Mom Diane She's like. Yeah, there's no way I'm leaving Austin without meeting Ross and having a full. Sit Down Interview I. Need to make sure he's okay for you. Well hopefully I will be. Mama bear gotTA. Watch out do that. Just means you have good parents. They are the best council y'all follow Chris Everywhere again that those associates that again we'll do it one more time on twitter. I am at cues zero. You L. S. on Instagram I am at Chris Se, nine nine and on snapchat at Chris, Underscore Colson C. O. U. L. S. O., N. and we're going to work on getting that Brandon. Unified across the board at. At some point, eventually, it'll come I'm just at WWL Bolan everywhere. If you didn't know that Ross makes it too easy. I WanNa make you guys work for it a little bit except on twitch boss role, because then I know if they're looking me up. They took the time to look at specific one. You know it's just a little more special more meaning for me, you saying your followers or more valuable than mine I would say so. At the Kurmi Yeah Fair enough RV P. Three twelve is also brought to you by bird dogs, acres of the most comfortable all purpose shorts in the fucking world. You can literally wear them. Do anywhere at anytime there. 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And on the heels of rapper joyner. Lucas's incredible that he did that song called. Will this just that? I'm feeling like will an incredible song, and then will Smith hopped on the remix with him and I gotta say I wasn't very good, but that's just me. have been a big will smith rap fan I'll just be i. need cuss words vulgarity. Murder, drugs and mayhem. Will has always been a clean rapper. And that was one of the things that made him so impressive with his career. Bro, because he crushed without needing curse words he to be brought that up in that verse as well and it just Kinda came across as a little corny when he brought it up to himself in his own verse, but that's okay in all fairness I think every verse he's ever done is Corny, but it's. That's just his brand. That's like you gotta own who you are I. Mean Look where he is now. A obviously had a plan in mind or maybe, didn't it? Just all worked out perfectly he is. One of the more talented actors musicians in just all around performers entertainers. Ever all right that goes without saying but. Is a freak show. Okay in this weekend. News broke that his wife Jada. Pinkett Smith carried on a relationship with the. Some kid name August. August aims now. That's dead porn star rest in peace. Dog Names August fucking someth-. August Alsina. That's IT August. Alsina. So she carried on a relationship with this dude. Who's August Alsina who's twenty by the way I've never heard of this guy never heard of the rap musician, apparently twenty one years her junior, okay. Which is a gap? Dude? That's it. That's two. That's my life not that it can't be done. That's the entirety of you the time you've been a lot and his. He's like twenty two so. He was born twenty seven, now, always twenty seven. This is four years ago. Yes, and they had twenty one years. Or still have I guess that that gap stays the same, because that's how time works unless you're watching dark, in which case I don't know how time works. But. Here's what happened. Okay? This dude August seen did an interview with one of the Breakfast Club hosts on the breakfast club with with Charlemagne God it's one of the biggest, if not the biggest hip hop. In the entire world it was featured in in the season finale of Dave season one if you're looking for a reference point. He did an interview with one of the host talking about his relationship with Jada and how much he loved her and Shit Right, which is awkward because he she's married to will Smith Yeah. Well, they didn't know about the relationship publicly pub. Nobody knew about this yet. The will not something that they had addressed now so from there. The media starts running with it right and there's all these headlines and crazy gossip columns, and all this shit to the point that of course Jada. And will feel it necessary to do one of their little what they have the show that red table talks that they do where they it's basically like interviews where they address like difficult situations and subjects and stuff, and it's not always the Smith family. They have guests and stuff on all episodes, but this is just literally. A Red table looks exactly like. Like the one I'm sitting at now except it's red and on one side, you've got Jada Pinkett Smith and on the other side you've got will Smith and the interview is them like clearing the air about what happened, letting everyone know what's what and I'll tell you Chris as we watched last night because we were actually rated Arian Foster Aka Bobby pheno. Pheno when our stream ended, and he was speaking on this thing when we raided him on what we found is that things went horribly fucking wrong. Terribly wrong couldn't have been more awkward situation. Never seen somebody in more pain I don't think than will Smith. In that interview. He and his he's looks like he wants to die like it the whole time. Time, she's talk any keeps going out like and would you do Jada all the time and over again and he do drops these little one lot like there was this one that I got where like you can tell. He's like trying to maintain his calm I. Don't know there's one time we're gets a shot in where she says something about how They were done at the time and we'll just go. You're not kicked her ass to the curb just out of nowhere and just starts cracking up laughing and I was like this man is hurting inside. They put a Jo. They made a joke about like. You know bad boys for life from bad boys movie bad marriage for life. That's not a good sign. If you're making jokes like that about your married, just be up front with you, but so like okay so here from CNN. The couple came together for a special Friday edition of her Red Table Talk Show on facebook to show. Of course, it's on fucking facebook to share their side of the controversy surrounding her relationship with singer August, Alsina, according to the superstar couple, they were quote. Going through a very difficult time in and had broken up when Pinkett Smith started a romantic relationship with the twenty-seven-year-old Singer. Quote I actually set. This is from al-Sina okay during the interview. That I just spoke to with the breakfast club check. I actually sat down with will and had a conversation do the transformation from their marriage to a life partnership that they have spoken on several times and not involving romanticism. He gave me his blessing. That's the strangest part of the story to me. Will Smith sat down with this dude I die in told him a year. You can date my wife basically or whatever I don't really know. Then during this red table talk. Jada goes on to explain this situation. Right which is essentially the this dude August was in a terrible place mentally so this is where it gets really weird as somebody that struggles with mental health, but yes continue, and it's one of the things that. In foster pointed out last night. As. He said like it's almost predatory. It's not. Necessarily the good. The best look in goes onto. Certainly not the best. No Jada goes onto. Explain down the line where she says something The quote something along the lines. She just so Jada says she got into an entanglement. That's what keeps calling it an tangled and she said it started because she just wanted to feel good he made in. It felt really good to heal someone. which is what she followed that up with which which has somebody sounds toxic somebody that struggles. Struggles with mental health. I've learned also an empathic person I've learned that I cannot both help somebody and help myself at the same time. Because as an IMPAT, I, take on their emotions fix their issue and I'm right back to square one because I haven't done anything to fix my own issues. You're not doing another roussell right, so it doesn't make any sense that. She said she just wanted to feel good, but also she me. And, she was also in pain. But she just wanted to help this kid they. You can't do both at the same time it just it just makes it all the more confusing of course, one of the more fucked up things that has come. This is because the Internet is undefeated. y'All. Know the fucking clip from fresh prince of Bel Air. World's will talking to his his I guess Dad, technically, or whatever the do that takes him in in Belair. And they're talking about will's father who abandoned him right in one of the famous quotes is why don't he want me man? They remixed that whole shit with somebody who doesn't incredible. Will Smith voiceover so that the whole thing is about? August Alsina in. It's the funniest, so it's. Why don't she want me man, and but it's the most. It's Hilarious, but it's also like heartbreakingly brutal. Yeah, just because it's real like this legitimately happened, and because his face on this like he's already been the the crying. Jordan may have been replaced by Wilson's face. Honestly I was GONNA say that's one of the most that will video will go on to be memed for the next six months. It's already bad like I was on twitter every night before bed and I was like Oh Jesus Christ and that's the other part of this like. An another thing that Aaron said last night. This shit is none of our business. Exactly the problem is they made it our business instead of just leaving it at whatever this fucking Dude said in releasing some PR statement, and they could have put the whole thing to bed. They decided to sit down and address it in a way that was like on her side, clearly very calculated sort of like. Just the whole thing rubs you the. The wrong way as you're watching, you can tell she's got. She's very very careful when she speaks and she's doing the kind of calculated hand placements, it just entanglement entanglement all the verbiage, the vocabulary. She makes it very clear that she doesn't think she made any transgressions at all. Right after will says that she made transgressions so and she just on her end. It makes it seem like she wants it to be. Like will was on. On the same page from the start to the finish never seems like it does not seem like he was even close to being on the same page, which is where things get so messy and this way of fixing things doesn't make any sense. The whole thing is just a shit show, it doesn't make sense. There's two of the most recognizable faces in Hollywood. Why did I don't get it? It's so bizarre to been four year they. They talk about that in a video to where they're like I don't really understand why we're bringing this back up, but obviously there's still things to be fixed. Because will looks destroyed in if it was that long ago in that much time has passed. They should've been had this conversation a hundred times to make it right. Where clearly that it's not the case, no and look that takes us back to what I was saying up front. That family. Look I understand will smith is an icon, one of the more loved. Celebrities in the United States and I understand rolled maybe and I understand that that it's that it sucks to look at it this way, but like it is a freak show. Their family is the furthest thing from normal and I don't I. Don't like to judge people based on that. We've had a lot of people on this show. Who talked about open relationships or We've had we had We had people. I'm not gonNA say his name because I wanted to, but we've had people on this show who are married that have other people involved in their marriage that are not part of the marriage like we've I. Don't people for whatever they need to do. But if in the case that it is very clear that one of the two people is totally not cool with what happened, and it was that long ago, and it still doesn't really make sense, and here's the other thing that I fucking thought when we were watching this shit. If the shoe was on the other foot and it was. Will Smith explaining to Jada Pinkett Smith this situation? He beef fried off the face of the fucking earth, because I mean obviously toxic masculinity is more hated than whatever version of toxic femininity she's got going. It's very. The whole thing is just rubs me the wrong way. The fact that she allegedly was there to help him, and he's significantly her younger and the kid by the way in the interview doesn't seem like. Happy he's heartbroken, he fucked up at the very end. Jada said there was something that happened with will. Oh, will also denies giving them explicit permission In Lydia permission, but we'll says he never gave him explicit permission. Jada says the permission idea came. Because Wale was allowing not allowing will was not romantically involved so I guess will saying there was never a conversation and Jada, saying he just thought that because we were no longer involved or something. That's another place where it gets really messy, but. It's not the end. Yeah, it's just it's just. It's a shit show this. Part of the Aden was the one that introduced August and Jada which may be if I guess that's the second weirdest part of it all. Their one of their kids introduced. August Alsina to his mother. Jada Pinkett Smith who then carried on sexual relationship with him in an attempt to heal him, while she was also hurting while her, and will were not romantic. I just can't get over and would you do Jada? and. Would you Jada over and over and over? Three times. He said that word for word. It's like what ten minutes y'all got. Hang. It's so fucking uncomfortable so cringe. Cringe. To see I mean take to really understand it. You absolutely have to watch the video from start to finish, and even then I, still don't under the. They didn't come to any conclusions at all. No, if anything, it seems like they. Were much worse and twelve minutes was not nearly enough to divulge everything that they went over the in so abruptly, so in such an intimate moment of getting through everything that's happened in the last four years, and then it's just like okay. We're good. Let's go and we'll be back next week on Red Table. Talk. fucker. You're going to have next week. That's going to top this insane shit. I don't mean to knock will by calling him the fresh Prince of cuck boy. There's another story here that I'd like to touch on very briefly Jada Pinkett Smith dated to Pasha core. And there was like I can't remember the exact circumstances of the interview that took place at some point where. I watched her side of it, speaking to like their lover, whatever her into park, and then I watched, we'll speak on it and it. It just felt like he was undermining himself. Like like he thought of himself as less than pock who's been dead for. However many years light years. I it it just another layer to their weird shit when you factor in on the scientology and I will say at least Jaden has one good song icon is tights on his the tight song. That's tight song so I can ride with that, but yeah. Look again. Not Necessarily china-like Shit on anybody who has an open relationship or who who? Dates people out of their age range, or whatever like I? I don't have a problem with that. You can go with the pretty. Ricky Song. Age is just a number if you want to. Although that gets very scary and creepy, immediately but this shit here, son! It just didn't feel right at everything about it makes. You feel bad for not just for Wilford both of them you just fuck is is. How would you possibly a tip to make a happy life out in this? Like what the fuck do you? How do you explain something like that to your children in a way that they can grow up in like? Wrap their heads around. I don't know this is what happens when you live I'm telling you man. L. A. as tight. Fame is tight if you handle it well. But you get stuck out there in that. Hollywood bubble too long, and you start to do weird shit like date people that your children introduced to when you're on a break. With your husband of like. Twenty years who's one of the most famous people on the planet and continuously one of the highest paid actors in Hollywood? Yep that is I, think if anything, this would just teach you that regardless of what kind of relationship you're in communication is absolutely key and number one, and also I mean it does humanize celebrities a little bit. I guess in the sense that you know they. You see him dealing with, Shit you they go through the same shit that we go through but as a society I mean it's just it comes. It's crazy. How big of a deal this is and how much people care about like literally just like a celebrity relationship that's. That's consistently celebrated, and how easily that foundation starts to crumble when you really look into it, and how often is that should happen all the time we idolize these Hollywood couple letter, normal people and then, but they never make it either because now, dude the relationships in marriages, and I can tell you this now are hard enough as it is when you add in that level of fame, and then you start throwing in twenty one year younger rappers and Shit it you. It's GonNa. Fuck things up like maybe a bit all in all. Just one of the strangest. Celebrity interviews I've ever watched in its to celebrities like basically interviewing each other. And in probably the one of the more cringe-worthy things I've ever seen in my life. fucking bizarre. RV Three twelve is also brought to you by Ray Khan whether you're working from home or working on your fitness. You want what you're listening to to be what you're listening to not what your girlfriend or your roommate or whoever else is around is listening to. Everyone needs a great pair of wireless ear buds, but before you go drop in hundreds of dollars on a pair, you need to check out the wireless ear buds from Ray. Con- you already know recon. earbud started about half the price of any other premium wireless ear buds on the market. They sound just as amazing as the top. Top, audio brands, you know their newest model that everyday e twenty five year buds. They're the best ones yet. 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They're crushing instagram crushing snapchat because facebook suck, do what they do, an algorithm, the fuck out of you and make you pay to play tic TACs newer and Tiktok honestly is the inverse. The algorithm literally works for you. Like? Yeah, we'll talk about that. The my very first TIKTOK that ever posted on my account. It was like this like I was saying. I was blessed enough to grow up on a lake up in north. Carolina, and when we're on the lake, we you know, do our best to get content take videos and everything like that, so I have all this archive footage on my phone, and my computer of just years of going on the lake and doing fun things in trying to have a good time and just really messing around getting creative with we all like to do creative things up there, but anyways I edit some of the. Entire. City is creative people. Lake Norman is a very creative area. No Shit Berry like we have a lot of I just wouldn't have guessed that. We've like Sean I mean. Look at Charlotte Charlotte debate just came out of Charlotte. We have a lot more up and coming artists coming out of Charlotte that are newer and younger, and they're all doing really good things. There's a lot of resources around in Charlotte. It's a really up and coming. Coming city honestly, but anyways so and also my neighbor. You know just hit a million followers on TIKTOK. Shoutout to Mr Presley. WHO's the inventor of the quarantine? Olympics for you? People that are Tiktok people have seen the quarantine Olympics at one point Chris sent me this shit and was like do this is my fucking name like this guys like my brother. He's he's awesome He's twenty six like an auto. Dominated corn, honestly without quarantine, he would be flying. Planes with shipments in them right now sitting in quarantine happen. He started talking on his popping off so any, and that's another reason so what I was to say I, edited a bunch of my footage together through it up on Tiktok, as a joke with the premise that. The first part of the video like slow music, doing slow things, and says what my mom thinks we do in the lake and then cuts to another part that says what we really do on the lake, and the beat drops it. It's a whole different song in your hand in. We're raging. Yeah, we're going pretty hard and so that one within I think seven days had hit two point four million views. Six hundred and fifty thousand likes I video. He's ever made on first video ever made and from that video alone I got all ten thousand might Tiktok followers I posted one sense and just kind of like I. Don't have enough time to get more videos. vollers. Yeah, she's. This is what I mean by, though in terms of like explosiveness, yeah. You Dude. You cannot get gin that many view line close on instagram. Go look at our fucking instagram did when we five K views on a video on instagram rb's. That's that's a good point. That's a window so to talk about millions with no this with no audience, too, and so that's why I think Tiktok really really blew up so quickly because if you put out good content, or you're an attractive girl, that can dance a little bit, which that's weird side of Tiktok but or or an attractive who can as a as the dudes at Barstool put it wiggled Dick a little. Little Bit. Yeah, exactly and put on a glitter filter on your face, but anyways if you put out good content, you can get exposure, and you can get big on Tiktok which there's no other platform out there. Honestly that does that Youtube anymore? You have to have an audience for it. I mean really any platform right now you have to start with an audit and now as a guy who's been in social media for ten years I can tell you this is how each major platforms starts yeah okay. facebook back in the day like two thousand fourteen, that was where ninety percent of the traffic for our websites came from because facebook was that spot in Algorithm on the main feed was set up to where I mean you hit the Jackpot every time you put up a post, Bro, you're getting those millions of views and exposure and clicks, and all that good shit that you want as a content person. Then Zuckerberg shut off the Fire Hose Oscar Berg. Berg fuck does all hard and I mean so hard. If you were working on websites back at that point, you know this because your traffic plummeted unless you paid for facebook advertising to get those same views, basically they were will show you what we can do for you, and now you have to pay for it then. They bought Instagram instagram when it first came out. was that next spot because facebook at the time didn't own instagram yet. And facebook had gone the pay to play route. Instagram but then became that spot where you could really build and pick up momentum quickly and get a ton of using. Go Viral as we'll call it. The explore page was huge for that. Yes, in there was again and that sort of the way that top TIKTOK operates almost entirely. The whole thing's almost an explorer. You! Just go video video squirrel. Squirrel Squirrel Squirrel Squirrel and it's like built so perfectly for that I will note. That also inflates your numbers right because you're looking at like I mean who knows who the fuck paying attention you scrolling getting a view, but like are they watching it or they not watching it. It's one of those weird things. When facebook at issues with that back in the past two, they were like highly inflating their video views for the sake of making themselves look better, and it turned out. Not a lot of it was not actually good views, but. Point being then facebook buys instagram they. They. Shut off the nozzle again right Instagram, as I've noticed over this past six months I'm like what the fuck and Mike and five thousand views when I used to get ten thousand. I get more. Here's the weird thing about Instagram I. Get more views on my instagram story, my personal one than I do on any of our videos on either rb. BP or OCC Hora which makes no fucking since they switched its. It all started happening. When they switched up the algorithm to change the feed from chronological to whatever they changed the algorithm to because now stories, they still go chronological. So that's why you're stories. skit still pop off because people see him up there, but then the posts like sometimes I'll scroll through my feed and it'll I'll get like three rb post back to back to back from four separate days or something like that just because it decides to put them like I routinely see posted a from like you know two days ago like nineteen hours ago, see like I'll get up in the morning. Be Checking instagram and see news that I saw like the night before the day before D- yeah, what the fuck is! This is on. Here is just a mess all of that to say. None of those other ones. I just spoke. Oh, there was also a point with twitter, even before facebook where twitter was that jam where you could get your shit like that on twitter? That's no longer the case, Bro, you cannot really blow up like that with that level of speed. On twitter anymore Yay, but I've never seen. One of these platforms that provides. Any human being like you said you put up your first one and got over a million views with the opportunity to gain audience build a platform and get a big start, which is what we now have. These like sixteen year old tiktok celebrities, literally making hundreds of thousands and millions of dollars of advertising based on their phones. They become full blown celebrities in for people, even younger than you like my oldest thirty-three-year-old. Fuck with Tiktok now we don't. Don't know what the Fuck is going on twenty one like my buddy to Alex to pop off at twenty six like he's probably at the at the way, the older guy, yeah, one of the older guys on Tiktok I. mean the The you go on your explore page, which this is my biggest issue. Take his like sixteen year old girl, fifteen year old girl, sixteen year old boy feels inappropriate. Yeah does even though it's not necessarily anything explicit. You know what you're doing. On a sexuality to there is a lot of underage sexuality to it, which is one of the things so like basically what has come up to get to the story here? Basically. What has come up over the past couple of weeks? Based on you know the United. States continuously deteriorating relationship with China and really the whole world That's so sad to say. What a time we have They have begun questioning because. China I mean Tiktok is a Chinese. Company that owns tiktok. Okay They have an American CEO which makes the story, even stranger, but essentially what what? What has been put out there is that there are all these security risks. All of these people and companies are now worried about their data being taken by China We have a lot of China fearmongering. That goes on, and some of it might be very legit for all I know. I don't know fuck about what what the Chinese do I. Don't think many people do. Yeah, they're pretty good being secretive. It has become a very big issue to the point that we've got like a secretary of State Mike. pompeo saying that they're considering banning TIKTOK. From. The, country. meaning that if you're a United States Internet user. Not using an illegal way to access it any pin. You I. Guess VPN's are legal. I'm not really sure I'm very unclear on how VPN's work still put anyway that they will no longer have access if they decided to do. This comes off as more of a threat to me than anything, but the quote he dropped is he warned that Tiktok puts quote your private information in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party. So for the Secretary of State of the United States to say, that is obviously a very big deal. Considering the size of this APP, and how many people use it and the age group of the audience, but. According to a lot of what I've been reading today, so much of this is is is basically like exaggerated. Right like a lot of all of our APPS that we use. Our Boning data wise. It's not like I mean. We've got to the point. Where back in the day we all used to joke about like pretty. Schumer can hear me man I was talking about buying a week board, and then I got thirty six wake board ads well now. We all just know that actually the case, yeah? Yes i. mean it's the it's the insertion of the Chinese side of it that makes people paranoid right because we just all have this big red scare thing building up in the United States again. It's almost like back in the Cold War with Russia. and. As a result. You got people deleting the DAMN APP jumping off jumping ship. In? Did you see India banned the APP completely and like fifty other apps that were developed by China or developed in China, India just completely took them off the APP. Store gone sweet. Lord and the only thing that I can really find. That's legitimate data of what Tiktok may be doing is I have a quote from the Washington Post saying. When. He opened the TIKTOK APP. He found approximately two hundred ten requests in the first nine seconds totaling over five hundred kilobytes of data from the APP to the Internet. That's the equivalent of basically one hundred and twenty five pages of type data, mostly of which is things like screen, resolution and Apple. Advertising identifier that could be used to fingerprint your device even when you're not logged in. which sounds pretty similar to what probably most other social media apps do as soon as you log in as well to, and especially the fact that every single time you open the TIKTOK APP it's developing the algorithm to give you the videos to watch. I don't know how much of this is just over hyper, not like I see where people could be paranoid about it. Let's be honest here. Our information is out there everywhere now unless you're so safe about it, there's another really good example that you and I came across recently as well. New Video game came out PC game called Valerie okay. And for those of you who are Gamers essentially like? If you mix counterstrike and overwatch very similar and what comes with? Valent is an anti cheat. What is it called Anti just to? Program a lot of games. That are simplistic in code like Valerie. Theoretically could be easily hacked because you know if you like. If you hacked Valent, you could break a game very very easily because it would make your player unbelievably overpowered while some other games, maybe not quite that much so Valerie, and also because it wants to be taken very seriously on the competitive scene, the introduce one of the most strict and intense anti cheats to ever exist in the history of gaming. To have valiant launch, you have to have had vanguard running your entire time that your computer is powered on. You can't start vanguard after you open. Valerie it has to be running the entire time so like as an example I fired up my computer. The other day and vanguard starts up automatic with people are. Concerned that means that immediately again this the reason we're bringing this up. It's another Chinese owned company, and it has access in its code. It has administrative admissions for your computer so theoretically. Could access pretty much anything on your P. C. with the admissions that are coded into the van Gar Vanguard Anti, which sounds Siri suspect when this news broke, I have not played the game since I wasn't necessarily exhaustive men, and with the Chinese getting my dad and man I was just like I don't like fucking with Shit. That sounds that suspect. Yeah, absolutely so it's just another example so to your point. When I fired up my computer I closed. The vanguard APP every time. Just you know Now. It's like part of what I do I just do it without even thinking. And then I tried to fire up. Valerie and you literally hand. If you haven't had vanguard open the whole time you're. On for that session, it will not let you over. Literally have to restart your computer to get it up just to make sure that well according to them to make sure there's no cheats preloaded or anything like that already ready to go. It's understandable that it has an administrative permission because that allows it to see all the data and make sure you're not cheating, but at the same time it's just the idea that could access anything in your computer is definitely suspect an asthma move into an age where data is going to become pretty much everything. Almost westworld style will people will have complete. Were there were there yeah? The war for data and how to keep yourself private is going to get really really interesting. That's the thing that's gotten strange for me like. If an algorithm you know, and this is what you just said Westworld. All those different shows that SORTA tackle. This sort of the algorithm can determine. Everything about you. That freaks me out the just that concept of like it knows what to sell me. It knows what I want to buy. It knows what music I would've listened to in knows everything about me and knows which porn I watch. Those TV shows I enjoy movies are like relationships. I've been in every member of my family like. It's not even that I know what the fuck they could do with that data to make my life in somehow in jeopardy, or like worse than it currently is is just the idea that. Bro Who are these people like I? Don't fucking know the and now they know everything about me the it's just strange. In social media in the inner still so much in its infancy. That like I mean really. That's shits in my lifetime. The Internet fucking became the Internet I mean I didn't like iphones weren't thing until I was in middle school. I mean it was part of my life like I didn't grow up with an IPHONE I didn't grow up with a phone. I'd walkie talkies until I was probably would. Probably I was born in ninety nine, so I was probably. The last generation of kids grow up without mass cell phones until we like I didn't get a phone till nineteen ninety nine. Holy Shit. I was born in eighty seven. I am boomer I deleted Tiktok off my phone and true. Burma fashioned by the way we haven't Harvey Pete. tiktok out there somewhere. That we may or may not even focus on at this point based on everything. That's going on. Yeah, we'll see what happens. It's just it's just a crazy situation. in a in an already crazy fucking social media world to see that now the hottest social media APP and the game is enduring this level of scrutiny. Weird suspicion got fucking secretary of State's speaking on. Social Media APPS when we're in the midst of a pandemic wide and dimmer recession kind of chiming like tied all into it you. The whole stole election coming up. It's just it's absolutely bonkers. So. Had to touch. Do we say Ninja? Deleted? His took Ninja did elitist tiktok Ya. Lost Forever yes, sorry about that. Guys in how much you'll love the blue haired man. Yeah, I know. Ross really loves the blue haired man. I'm I I WANNA fight. That had a really really WANNA fight. We'll get you there one day. Yeah, well, who do you think has more reach? You guys are both like six three. I would say him. Yeah, not worried about his reach now. If. We thought it would know that would not be he. No, he's come on. A not athletic regular are. He's a NARC. That's making like twenty million a year off gaming, but he is an ARP now. He could pay a thousand people to beat the shit out of me. That's true it'd be a problem for your boy, so we'd need some ground rules anyway if you have Tiktok just something to think about and really with all of your Internet and technology interactions man like. The more, the deeper we get into this world of technology, the more important it is that you stay protected and make sure you're taking the proper steps to like. You don't want. You don't want people to have date on you that they don't need to have right? We all WANNA protect. Ourselves stays private as we can and maintain our lives without having to be served an ad for a fucking wake board every five minutes, or whatever the shit so i. don't know man I don't know what to make of this yet. The story is not completely over. We end up banning it in the US I highly doubt it. If that happened, it would be the craziest thing that has ever happened in social media. The content that came out of it though would be hilarious I was telling losing their fucking mice on Ross about a story about I saw on snapchat that this girl that lives in my town as well. She has I think a couple hundred thousand followers on Tiktok, I guess ticks tick Tiktok had a glitch or something like that last week where all of their videos went. Two zero others use with zero. Yeah. And I saw a reaction of her looking at her Tiktok with zero views balling crying. It's just so many people have genuinely invested so much time into this for it to all be ripped away would be quite the scene and I can tell you. I remember what that felt like with facebook, and it wasn't good, yeah. We'll burn it down if they take. Take talk away, so it's something to watch out for just something to keep an eye on is that story continues to develop his as our Our lovely government continues to sow fear of China left and right, and then it's to the point where I'm like. I fucking believe, have this shit I'm just like I'm not going to China. I mean fuck no right now I don't fuck well. We're not going anywhere right now. Now. We're stuck. We're actually camping out in the pod room for two weeks. Know we're GONNA. Live in this sauna. It's a thousand degrees in Austin. Anybody wanted to know. Yeah, they weren't joking about the Texas. Heat goes. That's not a joke. It's real void. It is hot outside. We actually had two segments left, and we're GONNA have to hold one because we're running out of time because we're crushing this, so let's do the last segment. What, in the wide world of sports. We can't not talk about the situation unfolding in the NBA right now. I mean literally as of this morning. The two most important players on my favorite basketball team, which I'm looking at there's a James Harden bobblehead just ironically right in front of me here. Russell Westbrook has been positively tested for covid nineteen. CanNot enter the bubble if you didn't know this, they built a bubble. I think it's in Orlando. Where the whole league that is participating in this eight game, play in and then playoff situation, or whatever it is that they've set up for the rest of the season. By the way there's a second bubble for the loser teams, which is really really funny to me, but. Westbrook can't get into the bubble yet because he's tested positive. James Harden still hasn't arrived. It is is being speculated that he also tested positive. The fact that this bubble exists at all is unbelievably funny. It was crazy expensive for the NBA to put it together. We all know we love sports and we want sports back, but we all know how you know nonstop changing this situation is and we I for one. Do not understand how they're going to pull it off. So the first sight of it is that my team is fucked. Possibly the second sight of it is that the bubble is hilarious JR Smith checked into his room and it's like it's a nice hotel. Bro, it's like a three star hotel. What it is one of the one of the like Disney hotel? Yes. One of the World Orlando I forget which ones were yeah, hotels, but like it's a nice hotel. Any normal human would be thankful. All these millionaire twenty three to thirty five year old dudes, and you're lifting them out of their luscious mansions with their private chef in their cars in there fucking close and their ladies and you've got yourself one hell of a weird situations like Jr Smith Goes live on instagram like the second. He gets into his room and he's just like he started ripping on it. Then during the live, he received a text message from the NBA telling him to stop. But there's been a lot of like like. They had photos of their first meal. There are thousands. Airplane Trae, last then people started comparing it to fire fest, which is just wildly inaccurate, and maybe if you're making that comparison, you need to go back and watch fire fest again. Because my God, it was so much worse, but they're not the food that they are accustomed to. One of the jokes on twitter was like there's literally no fucking way. Lebron James is eating this food nine clam well. He's not eating this food. but just the bubble alone is hilarious. All these dudes are like fishing and playing video games all day. Another twitter joke has been made that like the next super is already being formed right now via like warzone squad. It's just like we've never seen anything like this in our lifetime. Obviously, but the way it's impacted the sports. World is almost one of the strangest parts of this whole thing. Absolutely. Did you see the news about up? In the MLB team I want to say the Tigers released a statement that if you leave the premises that they had set up, you could be fined up to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars. For Breaking Corentin Oh by the way another rockets player broke quarantine already. Rockets forward Bruno Kaba. Colo already broke quarantine. Quote inadvertently hoops I. Don't know how you do that and is now stuck in his room for eight days. So, we can't even leave his room in the bubble. Your rockets are doing really good. This shit is going on I. Don't know it for the record. He's probably not going to make the team I. Maybe he's already on the two. I don't even know how this works. What the fuck is this season and we're trying to do every league and I get why money I understand why they have to try. It just seems like the odds of any of these leagues actually working out. are like slim next to none. pro-. We had day for I think it was. Institute thoughts claiming that they had already received invites to the bubble I mean these are NBA. Players used to the lifestyle, their live Riley, twenty four seven like that doesn't surprise me at all. They have tracking banner Orlando. Like they're not Florida. They literally have tracking devices on the players there on house arrest. It's fucking crazy. It is the craziest as it tracked heart rate to just in case, some quotas is occurring in the bedroom. Who knows who the Fuck Adam? Silver's got a camera in each room. Just beep Beep, send somebody to to eleven right? That's what magic spike. That's what I'm imagining Adam. Silver who already looks hilarious mass didn't just jungle villain massive like thirty screens. TV screens stacked up Buddhist switching from room to room and he's watching what each player is doing, and they don't even know it. That's what I have in my head, but all in all look I'm a huge huge huge huge rockets fan and a huge fan of the NBA. It's far and away my favourite league when they started throwing out how they plan on pulling off this season, I was like. The bubble I'm just been so confused about how this is going to play. And now literally it's falling apart for my squad before my eyes on Monday which is just. Brutal, but Fingers crossed, did they can pull off the NBA fingers crossed the NFL's reporting in like. Tomorrow and then guys are starting to trickle in I. Think like the coaches get their tomorrow, not joking, and then there's GonNa be. It starts to trickle in so like they're getting ready to try the NFL, the NBA, the craziest one bro. When you play basketball, you sweat all over each other. You're in a fucking tank top shorts sweating all over everyone else on the court. So, I just don't see how you pull it off. Thankfully, we have something that is absolutely happening this weekend. A Golf Tournament State God. The memorial is still happening, and tiger is back, which means that a Shitload of people watch it, and it will be fun now. He hasn't been doing so well, so he's not going to be one of my picks this week, but I do have three guys. That I'm doing one hundred dollars each on my bookie Dot AG, John Ram, being the first and the longest shot at plus twenty two hundred hundred bucks on the Ram. 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July 17, 2019

"Wednesday morning I'm Ana Palmer and welcome to your politico playbook debriefing stay tuned after the show for a message from Pharma and I'm Jay Sherman and the train keeps rolling the House will vote today on Holding A._G.. Bill Bar and Commerce Secretary Wilbur Rawson contempt the House leadership needs to deal with Al Greens impeachment resolution which he introduced Tuesday the Muller hearing is one week from today and Speaker Nancy Pelosi strategize with committee chairs about trump investigations Tuesday night and is planning to talk to a Wider Heider Group about pending litigation this morning. The president has no control of a capital that a spun wildly away from him. He's become fixated with junior members of Congress and even had to work to keep Republican defections to a minimum on the vote to condemn his tweets. He'll be in the white. White House all day with nothing on his schedule until late afternoon departure to North Carolina so what took so long Tuesday's debate to condemn the president took a lot longer than it was meant to because Speaker Nancy Pelosi read the title of the bill which called the president's since comments racist a violation of the decorum rules of the House so Republicans try to take down her words a process of doing the remarks by a member of Congress representative Emanuel Cleaver of Missouri who was presiding over the chamber abandoned abandoned in protest eventually after some back and forth the House voted against striking her remarks restored her ability to speak here are the four Republicans who broke with trump representatives will heard Fred Upton Ryan Ryan Fitzpatrick and Susan Brooks who is retiring representative Justin Amash a Michigan Independent recent left G._O._p.. Also voted with Democrats to condemn the President Burgess Everett and James Arkan have a piece up on Republicans choice stand. Dan with trump or risk his wrath. The New York Times notes that trump is setting the twenty twenty tone just like twenty sixteen but this time he has the foil the squad Caitlyn Mancera Farris of the latest on the caps debt limit deals Speaker Nancy Pelosi cited progress in her talks with Steven even Mnuchin last night and suggested they may be within striking distance of a two year agreement Congress will leave town this week Thursday afternoon next week is the last week both chambers will be in session together so any deal has to come out Thursday or over the weekend to have a chance of passage before the August recess Roger Stone was spotted walking out of the Conrad Hotel on Tuesday afternoon. He also had dinner at the palm. He did not instagram his meal however and we've got an overheard Stylus at Evita fourteen hair salon on Fourteenth Street northwest. Complaining Tuesday afternoon about having to shut down the salon Thursday morning for a couple of hours so that Ivanka trump can come in and get her hair colored. The New York Times has the big obits on Supreme Court Justice John Paul Stevens who led the liberal wing think of the court passing away at ninety nine and the Washington Post as a piece up and how the White House is readying an immigration plan amid the president's go back remarks however several G._O._P.. Senators downplayed the prospect of the proposal which is is being led by Jared Kushner to the post new political morning console poll found that a slim majority fifty one percent of voters supported the sweeping ice rates thirty five percent of voters said they impose those efforts Zach Montelera notes. The twenty candidates are set to go on stage in Detroit Reut for the next D._N._C.. Debate here's on tap for trump's Wednesday. The president will leave the White House a quarter to five to Greenville North Carolina Hill arrive at the Williams arena at six twenty and deliver remarks at a political rally at seven pm who believed the arena at eight fifteen to return to Washington.

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LYNYRD SKYNYRD: Deadly Plane Crash

Death by Misadventure: True Paranormal Mystery

42:59 min | 2 years ago

LYNYRD SKYNYRD: Deadly Plane Crash

"You believe in Ireland's. There were plenty of warnings for the skit in October nineteen seventy seven. The new album street survivors with such fight gold and ominously featured the song called that smile. It had been written by Ronnie van Zandt and Allen Collins as a stern warning after bandmate Gary Rosenman, wrapped his brand new Ford Torino around a tree during an alcohol fueled joyride Rony had a creepy feeling that life was about to take Doug turn for the band. The sense of impending doom for the band continued to linger in the air lock to over the eighteenth nineteen seventy seven they boarded a plane from lakeland degreen Ville, and that would be their first brush with death. After a concert in Greenville the following day on Toby twentieth. Nineteen seventy seven the bandit Boorda chartered flight the next stop of that tour in Baton Rouge at roughly six forty two pm the pain we're not to fuel near the end of the flight. I would crash into remote forest a short distance from the Mississippi Louisiana border. Six people would die that day, including need singer, Ronnie van Zandt guitarist Steve Gaines, backing vocalist. Cusi gains assistant road manager. Dean, Kilpatrick pilots, water McCreary and co pilot William Gray. Join us on the supernatural journey as we tour the musical history of running van Zandt, and then it skin it. We investigate what happened leading up to the mysterious crash and reveal the deadly curse that would follow the band, the afterma. This is death, by misadventure. Jacksonville, Florida was a small city in the nineteen forties still shy of two hundred thousand people it lay on the Atlantic Ocean. Just south of the Florida Georgia border sleepy hot and a mix of middle class and poor. It was heavily Baptist and Hella conservative. Lacy. Van Zandt was a blue collar God fearing hard core. Loud and proud southerner. He earned his living driving an eighteen Wheeler Lacey and his wife Marian lived on the rough edge of Jacksonville known as shanty town where you learn to fight for what little you had together. The couple had six children three girls theme. Darlene Marlene and JoAnne. Also, three boys. Johnny Donnie, and the oldest Ronnie Ronnie Vincent was born on January fifteenth nineteen forty eight under the zodiac sign of Capricorn at Saint Vincent's hospital in Jacksonville. He grew to be a short scrappy kid who was the toughest on the block. Ronnie's home was located near a dirt racetrack and the kids would wait outside the fence for tires to fly loose. So they could sell them back to the hot. Rod drivers whippings were common in the van Zandt, home and Lacey liked to tell a story about the time. He got down on his knees to teach Rani how to box the toddler. He claimed gave him a black eye. Lacy was a pro boxer and was proud to teach his boys how to fight and learn how to inflict the greatest possible damage while Ronnie and loved and excelled at baseball and boxing, his dad gave him a deep love for fishing a love that would stay with him during his short, but memorable life Lacey played a little guitar in like country music, Merle, haggard and Conway Twitty rang from the radio in their modest one story home on a daily basis, his disciplinary style may have bordered on abuse. But he raised his boys to have a solid work ethic and drove Ronnie steel determination to become a rockstar. In high school, Ronnie heard that one of his schoolmates were starting a band caucus hell when he showed up for the audition, you told the band point blank. He was their new singer, no one dared to tell Ronnie, no. So he elbowed his way into the new band named us soon. After that, Gary Rawson Bob Burns joined the group and recruited other players, including Qatar Allen Collins, the southern rock band that would later become Leonard Skinner d- the band went through several name changes my backyard, the noble five before becoming the one percent in nineteen sixty eight still known as the one percent in nineteen sixty nine Ronnie Sutter new name for the band after growing tired of smart ass comments from the audience that said the band had one percent talent at burn suggestion. The group settled on Leonard Skinner as the new name for the group. It was a mocking tribute to their p teacher at Robert E Lee high school who was notorious. For strictly enforcing the school's policy against boys. Having long hair. In these formative years. Leonard Skinner rehearsed at whoever's family house could stand the volume the eventually found a tin roofs shack out in the sticks that they named the hell house due to the oppressive heat and bugs from the nearby lake. Ronnie would make the band practice, long hours and the pain and sweat eventually paid off. They were offered a record deal in nineteen seventy but Ronnie turned it down because it was with Kappa corn records who Allman brothers were signed to. And he didn't want the band to be on his competitors label. However, Leonard Skinner continued to perform to packed shows throughout the south in the early nineteen seventies cultivating their unique blues rock sound during this time the band experienced some lineup changes an added a new member in nineteen seventy-two Rhody Bill Powell became the band's keyboardist after Ronnie heard him playing a rocking rendition of free bird soon. The bans patients into NASA paid off. When they were spotted in a club by alcopop, a record producer and founder of blood, sweat, and tears Cooper was knocked out by what he heard and walk the band into MCA records, and they were signed immediately. The band hit the studio and Cooper was impressed by the professionalism arrangements guitar sound and the southern rock style lead singer, brownie fans at in Cooper's is according to classic rock magazine. Leonard Skinner were his Allman brothers, and they were poised to be the next band to capture the southern rock. Crown however, Leon Wilkinson's citing nervousness about fame temporarily left the band during the early recording sessions for their first album only playing on two tracks and was replaced on bass by Ed king. The departure was short lived and Leon soon rejoined the band after the album's release at Ronnie's invitation, and they switched king to tar the self titled debut album, featuring free bird was released on August. Thirteen nineteen seventy three and sold over one million copies. A few months later the band hit the road and took the opening slot for the who tour the band's nineteen seventy four follow up album second helping featured the hit single sweet home Alabama. The song was written by the band as an answer to songs southern man and Alabama by Neil young which dealt with things of racism and slavery in the American South. However, the cracks were slowly starting to show inside the band and fame took its toll on drummer Bob Burns in January he left the band after suffering a mental breakdown during a European tour burns who've been playing poorly in suffering Ronnie's wrath regularly freight and toss the hotels beloved resident cat out his fourth-floor window making for a grisly kitty splat outside the establishment's front door. He later what? After the road manager with a pickaxe somehow the ban. Gotz who the two week tour, but made a point of putting burns on a separate flight home. And he was immediately replaced by Kentucky native and former US marine, Artem assed pile. Ronnie always the perfectionist made his new drummer follow precise routine. He had to do the same crashes and rolls at the same time every night or he would get upset. The band's third album. Nothing fancy was recorded in seventeen days but lacks the special magic of Leonard Skinner's two previous releases Cooper unhappy with the results parted ways with the ban by mutual agreement before its release. The original lineup continued to unravel and midway through the nothing fancy tour. Guitarist Ed king abruptly left the band after falling out with Ronnie after he belittled him in front of his bandmates, but the show must go on at Leonard Skinner continued for the next several months only to guitarist rather than their usual three guitar army. The band would continue to make changes and in January nineteen seventy six Ronnie added backup singers, Leslie Hawkins, Cassie Gaines. And Joe Joe Billingsley called the Hong cats the band's fourth album. Gimme back my bullets was released but did not achieve the same success as the previous albums, Ronnie. And Ellen felt the band was missing it signature sound without the three guitar attack. And the search began after additioning several guitarist backup singer, Cassie Gaines, recommended her younger brother, Steve he was invited. To addition onced. Page with Leonard Skinner data concert and Kansas City on bay eleventh nineteen Seventy-six liking what they heard the band jammed with him several more times before he joined the group in June. Steve Gaines on board. They recorded the tumble live album one more from the road at the FOX theatre in Atlanta. The band. Leonard Skinner was a brotherhood and treated each other like family, they worked hard and they played hard. This shared a powerful, karmic bond and strangely. Many of them had lost their father at a young age drummer artists. Piles father died in a plane crash. Gary Rawson father passed away shortly after he was born at king's father committed suicide and leeann Wilkinson's father was alive, but was considered strange by the other bandmates Ed king claimed he was a mean little man with the personality of thumb, however, Rani's dad, Lisa van Zandt was loved by all of them and was considered a father figure to the band as Leonard Skinner continued to climb the charts with hit songs, like free bird and sweet home, Alabama the band only got rowdier they became raging Rockstars who snorted cocaine wrecked hotel rooms and crashed their cars. But Ronnie never forgot his blue collar roots and made the guys rehearse several hours a day, even when they were in concert the band, almost never improvised, Ronnie believe fans to get what they paid for. And they were on the road up to three hundred days out of the year. He was Leonard Skinner DHS main songwriter and leader the ban known as pup Irani when sober. He was thoughtful guy who held the band together through earlier, leaner times, however when he was drunk. He became a violent and intimidating guy who knocked out the two front teeth of keyboard player, Billy Powell and had even slashed the hands of Gary Rawson, his best friend and guitarist with a broken beer bottle. The rock and roll lifestyle soon caught up with him and by late nineteen seventy six Ronnie considered leaving the band, his health was suffering from nonstop touring. And he wanted to focus on being a husband and a father to his two little girls but carrying Allen convinced him not to leave and promised to tone down their hard, partying ways, the new band rules combined with the addition of Steve Gaines on guitar and co vocals infused new energy into the band and reinspired Ronnie to write more songs one song that smell was written after Gary's car accident and brush with death during that time both on Billy were also in car accidents in the space of six months, and Ronnie had a creepy feeling the tide was about to turn for Leonard Skinner d-, and he was inspired to write those morbid lyrics, but according to his father, Ronnie could always see the future and had the gift of second sight. He believed. Raleigh knew his time and earth was running out and before the survivor tour he gave away his favorite black hat in a beautiful ring used to wear to his uncle then running gave his father several things including his lawnmower and his nineteen fifty five Chevy pickup truck. Also, an award had one in Scotland where he cryptically told the audience, I don't think he'll be back over to see you or play for you anymore. Because I have a feeling I won't live past the age of thirty Ronnie was twenty nine at the time. A few weeks later on October seventeenth nineteen seventy seven Leonard Skinner's new album street survivors was released to critical and popular acclaim the band, kicked off a new tour, and they were playing to sell out crowds. However, darkness would soon descend on the ban. Like a thick fog. If you believe in omens there were plenty of warnings for the ban Leonard Skinner d- in October, nineteen seventy seven their new album street, survivors was certified gold and it featured the song called that smell. Now, they call you prince charming can't speak a word when you're full of lewd 's sale be all right come tomorrow. But tomorrow might not be here for you. Ooh. That smell the smell of death surrounds you. The band psychic warnings were compounded by the fact that Ronnie van vans born with the life path number eleven had what is father called the second site. Ronnie told family and friends he had a premonition he would die before the age of thirty and early. His birthday was only three months way. The sense of impending doom for the band continued to linger in the air on October eighteenth, nineteen seventy seven they boarded a plane from lakeland to Greenville and would have their first brush with death during the trip guitarist. Alan Collins looked out the window and saw a ten foot flame shoot out of the right engine of the chartered flight. Luckily, the plane would safely land and Leonard Skinner were play together. One last time on October nineteenth nineteen seventy seven in Greenville, South Carolina. The following day. They boarded the flight for the next stop of their tour. Alan Collins, still upset over the previous trip refused to get on the plane. He had an uneasy feeling, but Ronnie insisted they they leave saying when it's your time. It's your turn. What's cullman? We've got a gig to do. Reluctantly the rest of the band ported the aircraft the ten foot flames seen shooting out of the right engine two days. Earlier had done little to inspire anyone's confidence after Allen Collins boarded the plane, he continued to warn the band. He felt something terrible was about to happen. Cassie Gaines, a member of the Hong cats and sister of Qatar Steve Gaines was so petrified that she nearly squeezed into the band's cramped equipment truck until Ronnie convinced her to get on the plane also. The plane took off at five oh two PM without incident once in the air anxiety gave way to relief amongst the band rolling. Stone magazine wrote in nineteen seventy seven in the back of the plane a fiercely competitive game of poker had become heated and one of the players rip the table out of the cabin wall. Usually Ronnie would have joined them, but his chronic back pain forced him to lie down in the isle of the plane. About an hour later the right engine which had been sputtering throughout the flight died completely despite having refueled in Greenville the plane was dangerously low on gas. At six forty two pm the pilot frantically radioed, Houston, air, traffic, control centre asking for permission to land before they could turn the plane around the left engine also failed and the plane began to drop quickly exactly how Ron events spin his last few minutes live is disputed in his memoir, g Modin. His bodyguard remembers waking him up and strapping him into a seat. However, ass- pile remembers Ronnie walk into the back of the plane to retrieve a pillow as he walked forward. He shook his hand, and they looked at each other and smiled Artem is believed at that moment. Running knew he was gonna die. Rhody, mark. Frank said the pilots made a frightening one hundred eighty degree turn one minute. He could hear the plane's engines roar and the next moment it became dead, quiet. The aircraft was now just a few hundred feet above the ground. The pilots were desperately looking for some open area to safely land the plane because they were still eight miles from the nearest airport. They never found any and they were forced to land in the middle of Mississippi swamp. Upon impact lead singer, Ronnie van Sant would die instantly of blunt force trauma to the head. Assistant road manager dean Kilpatrick was also killed on impact along with guitarist Steve Gaines, but a sister kassy's lived a short time longer before succumbing to blood loss. The lifeless bodies of both pilots remained strapped in their cockpits seats suspended upside down from a nearby tree. Billy Powell's knows had been nearly torn off his face after he crashed headfirst through a table ten feet. Above the carnage, Leslie Hawkins and Bill sikes a television crew that had accompanied the pan where live, but stuck in a tree they waited fairly daring to breathe until help could arrive. Three loan passengers, including Mark Frank drummer arguments pile and sound engineer, Ken Petten, crawled out of a hole in the tail of the fuselage and went up to look for help. Artem pile emerged from the wreck with several shattered ribs, but he was well enough to walk and nothing was going to stop him from getting his bandmates help. He was a former marine and he believed it was his duty to leave. No one behind. A few hours later when Ronnie's wife was notified there had been a plane crash. She instantly knew her husband was dead. Judy van Sant would later state in an interview ninety told me so many times that he would die before he was thirty. I realized that he really knew what he was talking about. Artem ass- pile drag his body through the murky swamp along with road crew members Kenneth in Mark to get help at one point helicopter circled overhead the sound of the crash had alerted paramedics. But because the plane had run out of fuel. There was no fire to help them locate the survivors it took the three injured bandmates forty five minutes to reach a farm owned by Johnny moat. The farmer was putting out. Hey for cattle. When he heard what sounded like a car skidding on gravel and allowed boom when he saw the men's soaked in blood with long hair and screaming. The former initially soon that they were up to no good and fired. A warning shot artists in the two others hit the ground, and they yelled they were just in a plane crash, though, initially sceptical eventually moat realized they were telling the truth and quickly mobilized his neighbors to head for the crash site. A neighbor of Johnny said the first thing I saw was a bloody hand reaching out from the debris folks, all mashed together, we'd move one. And there would be another one laying there. Volunteer fireman. Jamie wall reached the scene and began moving people out of the wreckage with a hatchet news of the plane crash. Soon spread across the airwaves and before long an estimated three thousand people converged on the scene. According to Rolling, Stone magazine, not all of them were good Samaritans in the ensuing. Chaos. Souvenir hunters took Bill folds jewelry suitcases band merchandise and even chunks of metal from the crash site. The medics took the dead Ronnie van Zandt, Stephen Cassie Gaines, dean Kilpatrick and the two pilots to temporary morgue at a local high school gymnasium the rescue efforts were slow and three planes were chartered to pick up the loved ones to a dentist. The dead bodies among the heartbroken family. Members was Rani's father lacy vans. Zandt who was accompanied by family friend. Thirty eight special tars, Don Barnes rone's mother Marian who had developed a severe phobia flying after witnessing a crash that killed nine people as a child she declined to make the trip after identifying Ronnie his father put on a brave face to visit the others and decided against telling them that he had died in the crash. In fact, Ronnie Steph was kept secret until the other gravely injured bandmates were well enough to hear the tragic news. What was especially Erie? Gary Rawson would later state an interview that after the accident on how Alan Collins, and he were spooked but grateful their lives were spared. Gary would later reveal he had sat in the middle seat between Ronnie, and Steve who were killed instantly on impact and Alan had set in the middle seat between dean and Casey who both died in the fatal crash as well. The band's fifth album street survivors was released three days before the plane crash early. The album cover showed the band engulfed in flames in the middle. Ominously consumed by fire was Steve Gaines and next to him was Ronnie bands. After the accident. The Elbe was pulled from record stores and the label re released it with new artwork joined the band against a plain black background street survivors, went on to become the band's second platinum album and reached number five on the US album chart. The official cause of the plane crash was released in a statement, the National Transportation Safety board determines that the probable cause of this accident was fuel exhaustion and total loss of power. From both engines due to crew attention to fuel supply, contributing to the fuel exhaustion were inadequate flight planning and an engine malfunction of undetermined nature in the right engine, which resulted in higher the normal fuel consumption. Six people died in the fiery crash, including lead singer, Ronnie vans at guitarist and vocalist Steve Gaines, backing vocalist. Cassie Gaines assistant road manager dean Kilpatrick pilot, Walter McCreary and co pilot while gray most of the remaining survivors had been seated towards the back of the plane. Deterrence to Albert Collins suffered a cracked nut vertebrae and a doctor recommend his arm to be amputated. But as father refused keyboardist Billy Paul received. Extensive facial lacerations and a broken right knee drummer, Artem is pile suffered a broken sternum and several broken ribs rhythm guitarist. Gary Rawson sustained a concussion and broke both of his legs and arms. Leeann Wilkinson broke his jaw and had most of his teeth knocked out. He suffered a crush chest. Punctured lung and sustained internal injuries. Leslie Hawkins suffered a concussion broke her neck in three places and had facial injuries, which required plastic surgery. She was partially paralyzed and suffered permanent neurological damage from the accident in an interview from the crash scene. Believe Paul recounts the harrowing. Details. Shortly before six o'clock central daylight time the pilot Walter McCreary of Dallas, Texas radio's Houston air traffic control. He's low on fuel and can't make Baton Rouge eighty miles away. Instead, he'll try for a small airport at nearby McComb. Mississippi found out ten minutes from the Baton Rouge airport that we ran out of gas. And I just heard the pilot go my God. Pilot mccreery turns his plane to the left and starts back toward McComb his L. Timid reads two thousand feet the time is just past six o'clock. One of the engines on the Convair quits probably starved for fuel. Now, we're out sitting in our backyard, and we heard this plane came over with at Santa lack running one inch. And then all of a sudden I heard that any out by now pilot mccreery is desperately looking for a spot for an emergency landing. He follows a pipeline route for reasons on known mccreery changes his mind and heads for a better spot a pasture off to his left. The convert to forty isn't a glide one hundred yards short of the pastor the wings clipping, treetops the plane stalls and goes down the Leonard Skinner ban was riding high. They had just released a new album street survivors and set out on the five-month cross country tour to promote it they were on their way to a concert at Louisiana state university. When disaster happened. Lose to. He was going to make this field and to let us men out of the resin to Clinton on juries. And point Kroger boarding president. Stays also treetops and look down the windows in the middle of the airplane on the right wing. I tried to get close to the back of the airplane as possible. Gotten to build air playing right wing and also treetops and at first it wasn't so bad. But then when it hit the, you know, the middle of the trees, it was horrible. There's an experienced nobody wants to ever experience. Never. A private ceremony was held for running Vincent lactobacillus twenty fifth. Among those who attended the funeral for his wife and family that included Billy Powell who is the only band member well enough to attend along with former bandmates Ed king and Bob Burns other mourners included to keep Betts of the Allman brothers, Charlie Daniels and L Cooper, hopele-, sweat, and tears. Charlie Daniels, performed amazing grace and read the following poem. The brief candle both ends burning in an endless mile a bus wheel turning friend share lonesome time, a handshake and a sip of wine said loud, and let it ring that we are all part of everything the future the present and the past fly on proud bird. You are free at last. Later that day Ronnie bands in would be laid to rest next to his bandmates, Steve and Cassie Gaines. However, several years later on tune twenty ninth two thousand vandals would break into the bandmates tomb run Evan's aunt's casket was pulled out and dropped on the ground. The bag containing Steve Gaines remains was torn open and some scattered onto the grass. Ronnie would later be reburied riverside memorial park in Jacksonville, the grave of his father lacy and mother Marian both his current resting place and the empty mausoleum in orange park are listed with the warning statement due to the June twenty ninth two thousand vandalisation of his original grave site. His casket was moved to this new location and buried in a massive underground concrete burial vault to open the vault would require a tractor with a lift capacity of several tonnes. It has also patrolled but security. In the aftermath the surviving band. Members of Leonard Skinner d- continued to be haunted. An early connected by the tragic history. They shared Ed king who walked out on the band during the infamous nineteen seventy-five torture tour on may twenty seventh was replaced by Steve Gaines who died on the plane crash on October twentieth. Nineteen seventy seven later king was shocked to find out when he visited gains grave. They shared the same. Exact same birthday September fourteenth nineteen forty nine. Another band member who escaped death was Joe Joe Billingsley who hadn't been with the band at the beginning of the street survivor tour at the time, some people believe she was fired because she was having an affair with the very married. Alan collins. However that was never confirmed, but she would later state in an interview the night before the show in Greenville, Ronnie, call to ask her to rejoin the tour, but fate stepped in and Joe would never make the flight because of a strange feeling she had while talking to Ronnie, an inner voice told her to wait, and she decided to skip the Greenville show and meet the band in Little Rock instead later that night Joe had a vivid dream of Leonard Skinner to charter plane crashing spooked by her vision the following day. She called everyone on the flight list and left a message to warn them. Alan Collins called her back and she told him about her haunting dream he said to her job. Oh, it's funny. You mentioned that because I was looking out the window yesterday. And I saw fire coming out of the wing Allen tried to warn the ban, but they boarded the flight anyway. The deadly curse continued to fall the ban like a ghost less than two years after the plane crash. Stephen Cassie Gaines mother was killed in an automobile accident near the cemetery where her children were buried. Tragedy would strike again. When Alan Collins was on stage with his new band after a performance in November nineteen Eighty-one Allen received a phone call telling him that his pregnant wife, Cathy had started bleeding in a movie theater and was rushed to the local hospital where she died. Suddenly the tar was a widow with two little girls to take care of. Allen soon flit into a downward spiral of drugs and alcohol an isolated himself from family and friends. His misfortune would continue and on January twenty ninth nineteen eighty six. He crushed his new black Ford Thunderbird claiming the life of his thing girlfriend. Deborah watts and left him paralyzed from the waist down with limited use of his arms and hands. One year later Leonard Skinner would reunite for a short six week tour with fellow early members at king. Billy Powell Leon Wilkinson along with artists pile, Leonard Skinner drummer at the time of the plane crash along with Ronnie's little brother, Johnny van Zandt as the lead singer the band, kicked off their first show at the concord pavilion on September. Twenty third nineteen eighty seven to commemorate the ten year anniversary of the tragic plane crash Allen who was charged with manslaughter for the death of his girlfriend took a plea bargain for the nineteen eighty six car accident as part of his sentence. He was required to address fans at every Leonard Skinner concert with an explanation of why he could not perform citing the dangers of drinking and driving as well as drugs and alcohol. Four years later. He would pass away on January twenty third nineteen ninety from chronic pneumonia at the age of thirty seven. And was laid to rest next to his wife Kathy in Jacksonville, Florida. Tragedy would continue to stock the band and Leon would be found dead in his hotel room on July twenty seventh two thousand one the basis who survived the plane crash passed away of natural causes at the age of forty nine complicated by emphysema and chronic liver disease. But isn't timely death. Put the band in a difficult position. Because of a previous agreement they had with Ronnie van Zandt widow Judy which stated at least three of Leonard Skinner, DHS, longtime members would have to be in attendance for the band tour. They decided to continue to perform any way with replacement bassist Ean Evans, taking Leon's longtime spot on November twenty eighth two thousand five the rock and Roll Hall of fame announced that Leonard Skinner d- would be inducted alongside black Sabbath Blondie miles Davis and the Sex, Pistols, the inductees honored included Ronnie van Zandt Allen Collins, Gary Rawson, Ed king, Steve Gaines, Billy Powell Leon Wilkinson, Bob Burns, an artist pile. No post crash. Members of the band were inducted, nor were any of the Hong cats just a few years later. Keyboard. Billy Powell on a break from his tour. Schedule would die of a heart attack on January twenty eighth two thousand nine at the age of fifty six fate would claim another bandmate when former drummer Robert burns junior died in a car crash in Georgia on April third two thousand fifteen. In two thousand seventeen Gary Rawson along with the estates of the band members that perished in the group's nineteen seventy seven plane crash Ronnie van Sant along with Stephen Cassie Gaines sued to stop production on Cleopatra records, an artist piles bio, pic street survivors, the true story of the Leonard Skinner plane crash in the lawsuit obtained by Rolling Stone. Leonard Skinner argued that. Although pile was free to explain his own personal life story for the film. The bam believed the bio pic violated a nineteen Eighty-eight consent order that members including pile agreed to in regards to who controlled the Leonard Skinner copyright, however in twenty eighteen arguments pile after an appeal would win the lawsuit against the band and was given the green light to release the film, sadly founding member ad king, who's credited as the co writer and the band. Greatest hit sweet home Alabama died on August. Twenty second two thousand eighteen this home in Nashville of lung cancer today. Only one original band member. Gary Rawson is still alive as of twenty nineteen. But he doesn't need aches pains to remind him of that fateful day and claims the crash continues to haunt him. Gary told the easy reader every year on the anniversary of the crash right around the evening time when it happened time stands still for a moment. And it gets weird for him. He said his wife, Dale leaves them alone with his thoughts to remember and grieve over the years. Gary's health issues have worsened to the point that he has to take a battery of nitroglycerin pills to stay alive and doctors have urged him to get off the road, but still the band plays on and Leonard Skinner legacy continues. Currently they've added twenty one more dates to their farewell tour. Including Canada and Europe for twenty nineteen. Fight between guitarist Allan Collins's thing. Go friend, later, wife, Kathy inspired, Linnet skin. It's most beloved songs. The haunting verse if I leave here tomorrow, would you still remember me? Over the years. The story of Linnet skin. It has become a never ending tale of strange premonitions and chilling coincidences. Ronnie van Zandt gifted with second sight, his nickname growing up with shutt-, his his friends had always call him the Mississippi Kate, but later in interviews when he was asked why Ronnie would reply yet, no idea. But of course, fate always knew and in the end, the southern rock poet would lose his life Mississippi when the band's plane crashed in nineteen seventy seven in the last few moments of his life Rony won't top the art of the plane one last time to say goodbye to his bandmates. Six months after his death is what Judy would have vivid dream where she was visited by the spirit of her dead husband running. She woke up in the middle of the night and felt his loving presence. He told his wife he had three things he wanted to touch. Remember? I was take care of that daughter. Melody, the second was not worry about I'm Gary because they could take care of themselves on the third you wanted to let her know. He was all right. Rony vont a simple man gone, but never forgotten. Death, by misadventure was produced by cosmic media and written by me JC. Nova are supernatural team of co hosts includes the talented at window Fahey in London. Tom drei, our master numerology and paranormal investigator in LA Paul Robinson match I amuse edition in Iran and myself, I'm a psychic astrologer and paranormal investigator in Los Angeles and San Francisco. This episode was recorded at Robin sound studios Marin, California and also at union recording studio in West Hollywood, California kudos to sound engineers. Paul Robinson and Noah Shanklin, a special. Thanks to audio producer Christopher laying in Tucson who brings each episode to life and Paulina from upper planet in London. 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When Love Becomes Marriage

Juicy Scoop with Heather McDonald

19:50 min | 1 year ago

When Love Becomes Marriage

"Sometime you to a friend of Mine Ingrid Haas and we met many years ago when she came on Chelsea lately but she is hosting a new podcast that I thought sounded really juicy and intriguing and it's a subject I love about love and relationships. It's called the moment and there's some really good stories. These are real life stories of people that have fallen in love and the journey of love and you were interested in being a part of it because you are newly engaged I am. I never thought I'd see the day and here I am now an expert in love and relationships. How long have you and your together three months into the engagement almost two years together? That's like completely appropriate. I did adding what it's supposed to be. You guys live together we do. How soon did you move in? After dating. We moved into together last September so about a year again what what it's supposed to be. This is what happens when you're thirty. You're supposed to data here. You're supposed to live together but you don't WanNa wait. You don't WanNa go like years of living together too many years of living together right. It's never going to happen yes. That's what they said but it's also different different ages. I do think <hes> in your thirties that move quicker than like. Let's say you're the love of your life. You know in college or something that obviously you'd be divorced by now. We don't want getting married at nineteen right so your story is great. Yes yes thank you and I I was pushy. I think that's how we got the train moving did you. I was like you're gonNA move in now. Okay this is the time this is how we do it and if not get off the boat bowed move is moving so was that romantic. I'm not sure but here we are today. It's a tricky way to be of do the ultimatum but you know what it works out for people it was it was it was it was a tap more than a push right yeah like just a nudge nudge enough to scare them exactly so says no matter what you guys do on this show is that you feature some real stories and one tell me about the first episode we a pretty juicy. It's very juicy very wrong communist. We were saying but a true story. It's a true story. We have really great guests asks on the show and every episode has a couple and their romantic story and how they got to do and our first episode is Very Hollywood Very Hollywood drama. A man named Kirk was in love with this girl in college and Jenny and then eighteen years later he saw her in the movie wedding crashers and he's like that's the girl that's the girl and she had a part in it. She was the bride all that's also. He's like I gotta find her and he did the most like grand gesture of of grand gestures and like went and found her essentially and now they are married and they have a child and a dog <hes> but yeah the story is pretty why I don't want to give it all away but I'll give the juiciest away. I think I'll tell tell you I will give it away but there's a very juicy part. That's very wrong commie about procreate almost being friends before you're married and let I want to have a bay handy and should we free some embryos and maybe before we even smoothed are are we gonNA freeze are embryos. Yes we are Kirk and Jenny yes so that is sort of giving it away but anyway. It's very it's what people have to do. You know thinking about their futures and stuff yeah. I think it's really timely too because you know people are getting married. Later in life and women especially have to think about fertility and so this story is really timely in that like this woman was being proactive about how she wanted to have children and she was going to do it with or without a man and then this amazing easing man comes along and he's willing to take this huge leap with her. which is you know a apparently you frozen my eggs but you can freeze your eggs or you can freeze embryos and embryos you have a lot more <hes> <hes> success rate with right having children and this guy before they even hooked up? He was procreating essentially in a freezer. Yes we said it's like a wrong. College probably should probably right the movie I think we should should I think they probably have sold those rights already but yeah it's a great great story and there's tons of those throughout the whole season <hes> lots of incredible engagement stories that include Taylor Swift my engagement stories in there. Oh that's so yeah. My story is sort of peppered throughout <hes> whenever we're talking you know we talk about finances. We talk about sex we talk about you know <hes> engagements how to do the right engagement like how were you in. How did your husband proposed to you well? L. We decided we were going to get married. Okay okay because my my listeners know this and that I jokingly say my husband got knocked up by someone else and what is a good Catholic do but Mary the knocked up man so he there was a young baby involved in our lives that we're seeing every other weekend. That was my stepdaughter and I basically was like you know he was like hey. If you run and want run away go but like I'm a father to this child I'm going to be part of the child's life and there's there's a lifetime of a lifetime movie of Shit and legal stuff. That's coming our way so like I understand if you WANNA leave and then I really thought about it. Now is like you know. This isn't the worst thing in the world you what if I cannot have children yeah what if this is the only child I get to be part of it. I know he's like a guy and he's responsible. Guy Thought a year from now somebody other girl is going to be in that Ford expedition. which was his car at the time? It's a good car. It was a nice big black Ford expedition so I basically you know he was like do you WanNa get married and I basically was like I'm not going through this shit right without getting married so I I was working to television show at the time and I said don't ask me tell them done filming because I really WanNa get drunk and enjoy myself. I love soling them how to do it so I just didn't know what it was going to be <hes>. I didn't know the restaurant or anything but you're going to be a restaurant well. I thought we'd go out. I knew was going to be like a big date on a Saturday night. Okay so I got I was at his place and I got ready and then came out and there's like champagne and like I think it was like shrimp cocktail kind of really feeders still but it's still you know some mid level shellfish and then and then we got in the car and he had this tape playing of our favorite music which now this was nineteen years ago so it wasn't just easy spotify. That was way like go by like a C._d.. Yeah Yeah what was it it was the song from when Harry met Sally from the Harry Connick Junior version of it had to be which I had which I said was always like my favorite movie my favorite song this is beautiful and then we went to the saddle peak lodge which is like the most. I meet hungry place. It's a fancy restaurant that has like like where they have like deer and stuff. Wow Venison venison like dead animals on the wall but I loved it. That's romantic just went there recently. As an anniversary bursary yes as an anniversary go let's go and it was and it was saved. During the fires shallow meets it's it's out near Malibu and it was saved during the fire. That's also yours was in New Zealand. You said it's a very nice story thank you <hes> mine was in New Zealand Eland. It wasn't a total surprise as I first of all. I never wanted my engagement to be surprised because I was always your ring surprise. Yes Oh that's cool because I've always like if I'm making the biggest decision my life and I don't even know what's coming and we haven't even discussed it that is crazy but then he was taking too long and the day before he proposed. I had like a full meltdown in New Zealand. You're on vacation. I was on a vacation in New Zealand where my mom is from so bringing him back to the motherland and <hes> I was texting facing with girlfriend that's like I don't think it's ever GonNa have is definitely not happening on this trip. We're like almost done the trip it's three days before we leave this with a lot of girls and then you start to get real fucking bitchy yeah right before he's about to say the happiest man on Earth. Oh I the rest of my life all nightmare when they didn't want to get out of bed that day he's like we have adventures planned like Oh yeah you know I go <hes> so madge ignoring him in texting him texting my girlfriends and anyway the next day he was like let's Go WanNa hike and I was like okay and I put on a sweatshirt and Jean shorts. He's like sharing you WanNa wear that. I was like excuse me yeah I do. I do WanNa wear that and then later found out because he's going to take a bunch of pictures and I was wearing the worst of my trip and he knows I like close right. <hes> we went to falls called bridal veil falls and I was like oh I think I'm onto something we took a long hike and he's being kind of like nervous and but I read it as aloof or like cold is just being like nervous and trying to find the right spot and we got to the bottom this huge majestic waterfall so beautiful and then suddenly I see him talking to this tourist and I hear her being video. Are you sure are you sure you don't want just a camera and I was. He's like he's taking a video. Oh my God and then on the video you see me like freaking out because the second next thing I know he's on his knees one knee down on bended knee and he gave me this gorgeous emerald ring which is really meek and stunning yes now mm-hmm. Do you discuss the even want like a traditional diamond because I think that's a pretty bold move. It is a bold move. I my pinterest board. Yes has full of Diamond Emerald rings but I don't think he checked it out. Oh I don't know how he figured it out but it was his grandmother's she would owned her own business. In Rochester New York a pizza place called Mary's Deli. He's Italian Catholic as well and she bought herself this ring. When she bought herself this Emerald World when she was very successful in the eighties and so he got it remade for me and I just love wearing something that a woman bought for herself when like for new business with thriving I'm really cool so I'm like carrying Mary's Energy Energy around with me now so one or the other episodes which I believe is the second episode is got a Taylor Swift element yet what she has had a lot of loves in her life? It's true Taylor's gone through it all but she actually took part in someone. Else's love love life explain a little and then we're gonNA play a little of it. Oh can you imagine Taylor swift being part of your engagement story so this is about this gay couple <hes> who she plays a huge part in getting them together as a relationship one of them tweeted weeded out about not being able to find love and she became really inspirational and they became friends and then this engagement story between Rawson Alex and Taylor Swift plays this huge role in their relationship all the way until the engagement and I'm assuming throughout their marriage but it begins with Alex tweeting about love and how he doesn't feel like he's ever going to find it and he calls it being in his feelings and and he Taylor he tweets it to Taylor Taylor tweets and back and then they start this friendship and cut to him proposing on Griffith park a very romantic place in Los Angeles hiked many sometimes but I say in the podcast like going on a hike on a date. What a nightmare for me? I'd be like sweating and I can barely talk when Harry L._A.. Dating thing to do totally as on their first date and they went to this place called the wisdom trees I have you heard of the wisdom tree. Why do some which he stuff so I know the wisdom? It's a place in Griffith Park where you can write little notes and little wishes that you have. I've done it like the secret but with the tree totally okay so you know I want love. I want great sex life interest with your emerald diamond there you go you have to put it out there. You have to put out there so they went there on their first date and then that's where they got engaged and you think think love story ends there but no they go back to this place called the Hudson in l. a. which is like a cool bar <hes> and when they get there and they think it's just GonNa be them having champagne or meat or shrimp whatever <hes> it's actually nearly all of their friends and then <hes> Alex says I actually have a friend here and she wants to say a few words and Taylor swift you Taylor swift comes out and sings a song for them at the Engagement Party not even engagement party the day of their engagement so then after that it became they're engaged not only was their engagement this huge thing but Taylor swift sort of stole the thunder of their engagement story yeah because she's this huge person. Who was there for this whole thing so it's a pretty wild story then I kinda wonder like how much does she tied to this couple for the rest of your life like always remember that see she did she wanted it? I know but then it's it's like when you know when I remember in truth or dare that movie with Madonna her childhood Franco's will you be my daughter's Godmother godmother and she's like <hes> like I'm never getting rid of you. I'm pretty sure she's gotta be there. Godmother mother Taylor yeah the whole thing well. Let's listen to a little there so guys check out and subscribe to wonder as new podcast the moment hosted by my friend Ingrid it comes out every Wednesday and then we'll give you some love inspiration yeah thank you Alex. Goldschmidt had just gone on a really bad date in New York City. It was sort of one of those nights where I was just like all great this. Is it like it's either happening. It's not happening. This wasn't the first time dating in your twenties can feel like a parade of awkward. Confusing moments and tonight wasn't any different. It was just not happening with this guy and so I was walking home and I had drank some wine and I I tweeted something. That was a little depressing and sad I tweeted I pride myself on still thinking love can be like a romantic comedy but sometimes I just think I'm behind in just won't catch up. I mean I. Let's look when we're talking about red wine like I had had some red wine cat. I was in my feelings a moment after Alex sent that tweet he put his phone in his pocket and didn't think about it again but then the most magical rum comey thing ever what happened Taylor swift the Taylor swift side and replied to him. She responded to that tweet saying go read Gog US tweet that she sent me a few months ago. It's good love luck because it's not at a tweet. It's a magical spell. If you're wondering why Taylor Swift followed Alex on twitter don't worry we'll get into that but it's not because he's famous. He's just a regular guy who really loves Taylor Swift. He followed her on twitter. Religiously Taylor of a few months prior had tweeted out. Is it just me or as Lady Gaga like fully living right now hashtag goals but lady Gaga responded to that tweet and said wow your sweetheart life is friends family in love. We all see that in you your prince charming will come. It was a spell that had brought Taylor good luck and now she was passing it on and she told me you're going to find someone. You can't believe exists and they'll feel the exact same way about you you. I'm serious for whatever reason tonight's trash fire of a bad day was a turning point for Alex and Taylor Swift's advice was exactly what he needed to here. I had that Aha moment of like you know what I'm done. I'm done nine. I'm done craving love like this. Let me just wait until love finds me and it was his twitter exchange with Taylor that finally brought this all home for Alex one of the biggest stars on the planet who I look up to an adore sees. He said because she randomly followed me on twitter. What is the likelihood that this would happen like this? This all seems like fate or or or something bigger happening. I woke up the next morning and I was like cool. I'M GONNA focus on my career focus on loving where I live. I'M GONNA focus on loving every day of my life. I'm just focus on like being happy. It will come when it's meant to come Alex was through with love at least for now. He wasn't gonNA worry about finding someone else except when Taylor swift has cast a sort of magical spell on you. It's out of your hands. Your true love is bound to come along from one DRI. I'm Ingrid Hawes and this is the moment this is episode. One Taylor swift of it all I just got engaged congrats to me and while my engagement story looks amazing on Social Media I will say that love is in all magic in fact the relationships that work in my life have used almost zero witchcraft at all all and believe me I'm into witchcraft. I mean has done it all. I've put crystals Oliver my body praying for the one to come so I'm coming from a real place. I'm down with magic but this series isn't just about the magic of love. It's also about the hard work. The unexpected turns is love and relationships. Take it's about what it takes for you or me or anyone to get to happily ever after it's so hard to meet the person we WANNA spend the rest of our lives with. I'm no spring chicken. I've dated it's a nightmare there. It took me for failed relationships and approximately one thousand awful Internet dates and then once you find them. You're in a constant state of anx wondering if they feel the same way about you if you made the right choice if we both want the same things and that feeling doesn't always go away once you're in a relationship Mike the afternoon my fiance proposed was magical. It was by a waterfall on the other side of the planet in New Zealand. The pictures are stunning but what they don't show you is the the meltdown I have the day before where I refused to leave my bed because I was convinced he was never going. Ask Me to marry him. The only witness was restrained. You're my fiance handed his camera to. She realized what was happening around the same time I did and kept shouting. Oh my God oh Mike God but she got the shot. I have that video forever so if you're listening thank you. Why do we feel the need to hike out to waterfalls in the world's most beautiful places just to ask someone a question and what's the right way to show someone how much we love them? 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Below Deck Season 6 Reunion - 02/05/19

Watch What Happens Live with Andy Cohen

42:26 min | 2 years ago

Below Deck Season 6 Reunion - 02/05/19

"Welcome to the Bravo. Clubhouse for the podcast division of watch. What happens live with me? Andy cohen. Tonight on the below deck season. Six reunion. Fulltime? You cornered me. I'd have fired her in a heartbeat. You guys are all fighting or being sent what happens into Hiti gets exposed right here. So the two of you looked up less than he was a condescending. Correct. Totally misread the situation. You kidding me? I thought you should have interest that situation. I was surprised for you guys. Please welcome the cameraman who Sade Ashton did. Riley hadn't said man-overboard. It was all over because the below deck reunion starts nap. Hey, everybody. Welcome to the below deck season six reunion. I'm Andy Cohen in the Bravo. Clubhouse with the crew of the Tahitian mega yacht. My ciano. Welcome laura. Hi, hi, Ashton, Andy. Hey ross. But captain Lee are in stuttered the C. Thank you. You're welcome. Hi, kate. I end e Hijo Ziya, though, how are you? Great high Riley, Andy. Hi, tyler. I see you into last. But not least chef Adrian good to see you could see Tim, Chandler and Carolina will not be joining us tonight. But we have a whole lot of show. And I wanna get started first of all who's kept in touch since the show has ended is the bromance still on between Ashton and Ross. Yes. Yeah. Is actually he's really if I don't check in on him every day. Let's meet Ross Kate f from Brooklyn wants to know about your recent arrest in West Palm Beach. What happened was just me? And a couple of nights having fun not out. That's pretty much all I can say I can't really elaborate elaborate on it. But it was just it was a big misunderstanding. It always is. Had there be from cold spring harbor wants to know was crystal your worst charter guest of the season of my life. Really true. I think so she was so mean, you know, Ross our intrepid staff of what's what happens live noticed that crystal was your date when you did the show on vited here in a friend who friend, and yeah, these are the two of you seeing all we just hang out every now and then say keeping such friends with benefits. I wouldn't say that. But just benefits. I mean, isn't she married? I thought. She's not married so far as I think we'll chief stewardess Kate return for another season on below deck with the second stew of her dreams and a third Stu situation. That was more like a recurring nightmare. Take a look just going to go. See the guests. Desire is so great. He's really honestly is my favorites. Do I've ever had an online seasons you fire anyway. Aw. I gave my two days yesterday a smarting. Caitlyn Joe's I came to the door. They started banging on my door. He held who gave this crazy girl. A lock just think it's best that I leave. That south that quick. I don't think there's a lot of truth to many anything. She says disappointing because I don't know if I'll ever get all the details. Bye. Yeah. I used to be achieved on the same type vessels. I think you might be a little confused about what turned down Eric. I've thought because you had some issues -perience that I didn't have to explain it say this one. They are like that sand. Why you're being so aggressive you meet seriously figuring or or? Hundred of other ways that you could approach that situation you need to check yourself. Understood. We have an issue issues. Laura should just got rid of one problem with Darren here's another one. I can't just be pulling stews off fig trees out here. Lots to discuss Taylor a from Canberra Australia wants to know for Adrian Riley Rawson Ashton. What what were your thoughts on the whole Caroline and Kate situation? He was my roommate. So I got to hear a lot about it. You know, she was very distraught. All day every day. I had quite a few conversations with on the ball when she was going through all of the stuff, and she just. She just wasn't coping as spoke to Caroline earlier tonight. And is she reflected something that's that's reflected in this question, where she said there's been a pattern of stews that have not gotten along with Kate, and Debbie I'm from Indiana said there've been several students that have said Cain is awful to work with captain lead. You think their complaints have any merits after watching this season? I think the only stews that have had complaints about. Cates. Method of operation are the ones that don't want to do their job. And if you don't pull your weight, I don't have any sympathy for you, Laura. What was your reaction to watching Caroline's experience on the boat? I feel really bad for her. Obviously, I wasn't there. So I don't know exactly how things went down. However, I don't think it was entirely fair. How she was treated. What's your reaction to that? But actually, I feel like we were very nice to her. And she. Patient with someone. I know normally it's like we teach you once. And if you don't get it right to John, and you can do it. Caroline tweeted that what we saw on the last day when Kate and Josaia blasted music outside. Her door was not remotely close to what actually happened agree or I think that Caroline has a flair for the dramatic. I think that when things don't go her way. She's very intelligent. I think she's very good at playing the victim role. It was a specific moment that she was tweeting about that. We have let's take a look you're leaving because you're burpee querying. I don't blame you. That's so gross. Hey, mike. Well, I'm glad you're leaving. Spread the. Until all your factious diseases. So that's kinda mean. You know, what I read as me? But what she I didn't instigate this. What she did was mean, she lied in front of the whole crew Afrim, pulling her weight, and I was tired. I think she's the bully. I don't think it was great. But I don't think that I started it. Do you feel watching that watching it makes me feel uncomfortable? But. When you realize that it was an ongoing thing and Caroline flat-out. Did not overweight. Do you regret? Anything you? You said to her. This the moment. And it was we agree because we had to pick let pull away the whole. To her and she was just doing whatever she wanted. Say should have been working. And did you go to look at the bold up? You got to look at what pushed them to get that nasty with somebody. You know, the way that she ended things with them. The fact that she gives a two days Moses doesn't do anything out. I'll be bitter to you kept saying we don't want to be mean girls. We don't want to you know, you come saying. And then you hit a point where you totally became mean girls. I mean. That point. Yeah. But she was pretty mean before that when she told everybody that she didn't want to eat with a knife and four the it was just all lies everyone's mind. Yeah. How horrible would just before she left? Joe Ziya Kerry from Boston said later in the season, you talked about how you were bullied when you were younger and how much that hurt you. But isn't that what you did to Caroline? I mean, I was when I was younger, but I think it made me stronger pass in and I regret kind of. I think it was the best thing to do to play music outside the room, but we had gone to a breaking point. I didn't just it wasn't. It was happy families. And then one day we will billion her. I liked her. She wasn't a bad person. She wasn't a, but we we like to shoot along very well. But we were trying to you know, to do a job, and it was. She just didn't want to after watching how the Carolina situation played out lead. D- do you feel validated? And questioning Kate side of the story. I think that's a situation I could have handled better. I didn't have all of the information that I needed to have y'all going into it. And so no, I don't think I handled that as well as I coat of. I like the question to me now because it shows that he's fair. But at the time I did not like it because I feel like I have worked from long enough. I wished that. Ideally, what would have happened hairline, captain Lee and myself would have all been in the wheelhouse together because there would have been no confusion. Laura, Nikki, e from Joplin, Missouri wants to know why you came in so hot with such a superior attitude. Did you really expect to get along with the crew with that attitude? Do you know what I did not have that? You recognize now in watching your attitude that it wasn't great. Yeah. Hundred percent. But I didn't have that attention. Which is what's so sad about it? I didn't mean to do that. And yeah, it was I see how came across. It was really something when you handed Cates asked tour. We all have our breaking point. Right. Yeah. It was your reaction when you saw that neither fired her on the spot. Really? Oh, yeah. Yeah. In a heartbeat. What was your reaction Ichi was they want her? I was just like it's a good term bewildered as you had said, you're chiefs to vessel that size. So it was ironic to me for someone who's saying they know it all you were doing the one thing like something you really shouldn't be doing just scream at me in front of charity. I so it was just like. Almost amusing almost you know, what I thought was amazing at whole exchange was how dare you go back and check my work. No. I know. I also agree that that was weird. Oh my God. I didn't mean to say that joys Rosen who doesn't check somebody else's work. I was angry and in hysterics, I was pushed in a corner that whole time you cornered me. Serban dinner. Do my thing. I was like, okay. Don't act in a sense because you know, leading up to it. I was obviously had the reason to be pushed, right? So it was that. Well, your word really nice from the beginning. Why do you think that was we talked about it just now because I came all okay? So we're back there, Laura. What advice would you give Kate on how to be a better boss to you? And in turn to future stews, you know, what I would say that. Kind of goes a long way. And I think that you've been doing this for so long that you just don't like putting up with stupid mistakes and stupid things which is fair. I get that. But maybe recognizing like someone else's point of view or perspective. Or where they are. I would like to be able to manage that way. But you saw the boat. There's not enough time drew things we're supposed to do plus extra which is like trading camp. No, no. I'm being as kind as I can with the time given with the two of you worked together again. Yeah. Yeah. Chef Adrian's first class culinary skills had charter s salivating but somewhere along the way his behavior started to leave a bad taste. It is fellow crewmembers melts cooking for ten people. Definitely stifles my creativity. Everything has to be calculated. And that tends to stress me out and piss me off have lot of intense going on. So. When you're in that attitude, then you put it on me, if you can't handle, then you need to step up every time we've done any sort of beaches sturgeon or anything everything was set up every time, I got here and let me know. Let me know there's no point even arguing about. I know he makes comments. A nipple like a nipple. Yeah. Kind. Right to form of your breasts meets it's right here. Mary. Not turn around jokes. You made were super like inappropriate. And they didn't make me feel good at all like the roles. Always get the shooter said any time that it was inappropriate outer stuffed incident. Steph. You said has been so over the edge, and like has been like, you know, singling out in front of people to be more patient with myself. I sometimes make mistakes just to balance day. So marina t from Redwood City Regina wants to know. Did anyone know that Adrian was an undercover jerk? Why didn't anyone say any? Adrian's a lovely person. He's from St. Martin. I don't know you guys have been Saint Martin. It's a fun place. I love it. But it's very different especially from Canada, which is more conservative very strong person. And it wasn't the fact that it was getting to her. I think she was just saying I'm clash from Penn, and I can do with other people might not be able to. So maybe just be wary of what of how you say things. And I appreciate that those those very genuine comment, and yeah, Philip about that whole situation because I'm totally misread the situation. And one thing that's that's disappointing is that they didn't show more of our relationship because we I mean, we had one hundred and fifty conversations every day about everything, and we joked about everything so it's just a little tiny part of it. It wasn't really tiny part of it was easy to brush off the last minute. I didn't have. Yeah. You could've attrition pretty much straight away. But if to as we walk in off the boat, which I felt pretty pretty odd. I think I thought you should have addressed situations straight away when you felt. Cut this chef. But on the other hand is the chef your superior. Yeah. Hundred percent, there are a few moments where you watch it. I mean, it is a workplace, and it is a very unique workplace, and it's different from every other. I mean, you guys are all fighting you're being I mean, I don't know. So I mean, I get that. It's totally different. And I want to work on about. You know, you, you know, but, but as you're looking at it in twenty nine thousand nine you could see a from where I was watching the show. I mean, it looked a little awkward as he's saying. Like, here's my meat. I mean, it's it reads differently. And I I just thought I was being funny at the time looking back on it. I mean, I had no recollection of that whatsoever. Cringe for sure wasn't funny at all. Here's a good question for leeann K, Emily from Washington wants to know, why did Laura have to deal with Adrian by yourself isn't this something or supervisor should do like Kate or even captain Lee? I don't think I was aware of it made a right of it. So she had come to you and said it I would have pulled agent time. Hey, listen, Sheila freaked out, right? Doing it. Yeah. While the interior crew had their own struggles the exterior crew lacking clear direction from Chandler found themselves completely lost rolling bridge. Take off some wanna run those skulls. Okay. Could definitely be a little bit more organised Caplijna threats to thrust portside, and it's over here. That's my. Are we off the bottom or not Ross give better directions than Chandler does Channa was to receive information? When it gets back to me. I'm being misinformed is no Doric symbol, the that's making us a bit. If we haven't already can we top off the jacuzzi. How does that happen? Chandler, Chandler Lee. Ross should be every mistake. That was made today is on Chandler four. If it were just one little thing, they probably wouldn't be so bad. There's just so many. We just don't have chemistry. I don't think it's a good fit. I've done pretty much everything I could do for the team. And it's just not it's not working loss was going to step into the boatswain's position. You'll be taking direction from him number has done. You'll be helping me this morning. Whole tenure needed to do was communicate auto wanna make those same mistakes. We'll be good. Bye. Listen. What was the problem? Do you think I mean, just overwhelmed overwhelmed cracking under a hundred and eighty five foot a lot of toys a lot of people a lot of things going on? And then he had cameras, and I don't know. Why? Because it just certainly seemed unfairness certainly seem by chatting with him that he had the necessary tools. You didn't apply you agree with? Yeah. Definitely agree. I think just outside of the show. He's he he had the skills. I mean, he was a good work. But he just couldn't it was just direction with him. And do you think the fact that everything was being filmed played into? Yeah. Definitely I think that's going to big pot of it. And I just think that he I'm not sure fees managed a lot of crew and his previous jobs like I said, he had the skills it. He just didn't have any managing schools unite Ashton and Riley house surprised were you when Chandler got fired. And maybe a better question is how relieved were you? I certainly was really I was treated very poorly by Chandler and not just because of his lack of management skills. He treated me, very poorly. I didn't sit there and jump up and down for joy that has gone. But I did I certainly didn't think that you would fire him either. I thought maybe he'd be, you know, taken back a role of the point something has to change. Somebody was leaving. And it was between Roddy and China because that's we most of the conflict was I don't think it was surprising to anybody. I think it needed to happen. Something had to happen at that. At that point Rosty think that Chandler deserve to be fired. Yes. In a way, he just we just weren't performing as a team making just too many mistakes and they needed to change. Has anyone spoken to Chandler since? He left you have Adria. Yeah. At the beginning of the show. Here's a little bit distraught. But then he I think he just brushed it off and decided to go on way, not pay too much about it. He's really he's a really good guy is. Just had trouble wicked on the spot. And I think he's looking I think he's used to very well oiled private that. He was kinda once and he's moved up to post in which basically means you just get paid more. And everyone knows that they're doing so going from that to working on about where he actually has to saying it was like a shock to him because he's not used to it Riley Kansas for Memphis said you clearly hated Chandler. What was it about him that bug juice them? I don't think I hated Chandler hated how he treated me. And that what bugged me is that he from the get-go literally from the get-go and this really did set my tone of behavior, which is my fault too. But I was being dismissed by the that crew and Chandler most of all did not want to manage me have me there. Whatever brush me off on Ross and Ashton and do that was because you were woman. I don't I have never cried woman before it's not it's not I don't know. I can't speak on that. Because I don't have a very strong opinion as a feminist. I guess would. But he was very quick to blame me for everything. Which didn't make any sense. I'm not a soft spoken person. I think we all know that really. I, you know. It's to my detriment. Sometimes I also I I'm not going to let somebody walk all over me. And no handle it. Well, not not all the time. But with Chandler. He couldn't be bothered with anything with me. And that I don't give. I don't care if you're my boss or not like, you're gonna know how I feel about that jobs. Are you think that he didn't like her because she was a woman? No, I think it was a strong. She's a strong. She's got a very strong personality. And I think it's very rare to have a female hand in the industry as it is to have male Stewart and people do make preconceptions on. I think he's just not used to having strong woman around this thing. As the lowest ranking, doc, canned and the only female on the exterior crew all season Riley fought to get her voice heard. She also fought just in general watch. Keep listening to the instructs me to be worthy. I have to prove myself, and you know in a male dominated industry. It's not always the easiest. Are you kidding me? Please go right now, we're. Do what you back me to do to speak while you're interrupting. I am. Lawsuits. That you just you're flipping junior dick, and I would never give periods at it. She'd like she does. You tell me. No. I don't think you're right. And consecutive feel like she's going to attack me physically. Not call. Give me one second respond to you. You hear me? Listen. I know I have a temper then it's hard for me to admit that. But obviously, I'm the issue. Plug it out. Wow. I mean, there was a lot more. We could have shown to. Yeah. Yeah. There was a lot more. You could have shown do you regret in the of your behavior? You know? I'm saying there's a lot more you could have shown because before I went and zero to sixty there was a one hundred fifty nine of being antagonized by other members on the boat. Okay. So, you know, I very reactionary. And when I'm upset, you know it. Okay. Alison age from Saint Petersburg, Florida said now that you've seen the season play out. Do you? Do you regret not firing Riley based on her behavior and blatant disrespect for the crew or superiors and guests? Now, I don't regret keeping Riley on you. Don't know. I'm glad she made it till the end of the season. What think of the way that she treated her superiors sucked? Yeah. It just totally sucked. What what could they were? Should they have done differently Chandler could have done a lot of things differently in his method? You know that the method that he used in handling the situation. He was basically a condescending prick for the most part what what could Ross have done different. I think Ross could have been a little more a little more firm with Riley upfront and not not giving into the demands engaging someone when they're in a very reactionary state of mind and volatile is not the wisest course of action issues with Ross where vastly different than my issues with Chandler. And again, a lot of stuff isn't shown, you know. Ross wasn't amazing. Both in Ross is an amazing person. I one it's such a weird dynamic his relationship because we did. Did I did have a lot of issues with him? And then we were able to come together every single time and fix it. But then we we still had issues, and those were something that I feel like with Ross was a miscommunication on a lot of things. But I was certainly very reactionary. And I was very apologetic about it. And I still am. Definitely I mean, it was hard because it was kind know winning with with Roddy at times like I try to work with who personality. Like, you know, I mean, not tight Delancey from Little Rock Arkansas an interesting question. She texted us and said how many sexual how much sexual tension was there between you and Chandler. And can you attribute those hidden feelings to your beef kidding me? Well, it's Delancey not me. I am not at all never wive attracted to Chandler. Okay. All right, how much sexual tension was there between you and Ross that could have attributed really funny about all this is that every one of them had problems with me and everyone of them except for Chandler came to me for eleven and. Royal drink. Anyway, I can chalk it up to like drinking. You know? And we're men and women, and we want to you know, hash it out sexually. But. So we are getting so weird. Arbor, who's wild to me, by the way, back to, you know, the the world we live in on land seeing you kissing Riley, your her superior, and it's like, but but that is very common on boats. Right. I mean, it doesn't matter that a superior is. Whereas if you were on land, it's an entirely different situation. Right with rice at funny because everytime Ross tried to come at me. But I did. No. And and it was it was more than the two that we saw. No there is the it was the two, but you didn't see the first. And so, and here's the thing is like I knew Ross I knew you weren't trying to be with me. And with my thing, I didn't wanna just hook up. You know? I'm I've like I said I make the booty calls when I want to calls. I didn't wanna booty call. The weather into Hiti was at times Roth, but it was more than the waves that I'd the cruise bunk beds are Aachen take a look at the romances on the high sea. When I'm off and women. That's the low of everage is. Some wave be trying fifty women aspirin. You. Yeah. It's not a relationship. Drunk inmate how you'll rim mean with ride. This is Riley. This is Tyler Tyler. I get a hot new roommate? China in Tyler. Next fall after fire. She's gonna try and find any. Near failing still move my own boat. Let me tell you the quickest way to scare me off by forcing yourself into my future plans. -freshing? And so nice. Usually when we go out ashes going after all girls. I'm not going to be a tally on your. To carry on trying to pick up from we move before. I kind of just wanna see how things go and like have them are Ganic happen. Okay. So what everyone's relationship status now Ashton, and Laura we're dear friends, your your friends. Okay. Different. So tonight just out of curiosity. So your in New York City tonight. How will the night end? We're different okay. What about Riley and Tyler? Clubbing going here. Are he goes up to? So the two of you hooked up last night. No you did. Trolleys? What what we were all hanging out in my room last night. Okay. Running ashington, Laura. There have been conflicting reports about what happened in the crow's nests. Did you guys hook up that night? Now, actually, we didn't the interesting thing is often have six on the whole season rawdon till the end like well, no girl. Didn't have six why not consider sex. We're making her moan with pleasure. Yeah. Do you use your dick for those things? Oh, okay. I hadn't slept with anybody right up until the end who did you sleep with at the end of. Okay. So you and Laura consummated the end. Kate on the below deck after show you said that Ross tried to kiss you. Any more to that story? We were all party. And no, I don't think even like knew it was me. Was used to me on this. Yeah. Yeah. One of those Terry levied feeling person. You didn't. Clues to lobby sometimes I drink a bit too much. So the two of you know. Yet. Told me you did. When we were in L A, doesn't it was. Yeah. Someone else was someone else. It was another below Jackson. Isn't any oh Hannah? Whiplash. So I believe so. Yeah. Bricusse on -sconsin everyone else apparent. Riley in Tyler YouTube, clearly had great chemistry. What did you first see each other? To were you when you watch back the episode Riley when you saw Tyler saying the worst thing, you know, to say to me is start making plans for the future. How did that make you feel really funny that he said that because I think he was being a dick when he said it 'cause I also had the conversation with him. I'm not sitting there writing MRs Riley, Roland out on a notebook. I've been working on this idea. And I've been doing it for by entire twenties. And that was like that was I guess I just felt like that was my deal you first of all there was no idea like business plan. You said you want your own sailboat like that? That was it. I feel like a lot of the pressure. And this I voiced to you. I think is that they were very the crew was very good about putting us through the gauntlet a truth or whatever is like every time like I showed up. It was like. Tyler. Like, the Mike and Mike do love Riley. And semantics guys, let's tales time you caught feelings you just wanted to hit it and quit it, and I don't think that you handled. It very gentlemanly Riley Graham has from Dallas wants to know if it pissed you off that you're crewmates only hit on you when they were wasted. No, it doesn't like we were all wasted. Like that. Does it doesn't piss me off at that? Was I wasn't. I didn't want them to hit on me any other time. And it's not like that only thing that doesn't piss you off. That's funny Connor cheat texted Ashton. Did you even consider Adrian competition when it came to the two of you pursuing Laura? You can never consummately outs. But I mean, let's face game. As agent was saying, we we actually had a very good relationship, Pimm is we were very honest with each other. And we're stabbed that from the beginning is we had just an open line between us Laura feel about that game. In early stages. It is figure. From when she. Your terminology. We'd be dating game. Not Laura specifically, right? Right. Okay. Adrian, are you still in an open relationship? No, no. Currently go. We're going to talk about Ashton's accident in just a minute. But wanna go round and find out what your biggest regret of the season is? And what you're doing now Adria? My biggest regret is probably not being more mindful of my co-workers feelings at times. And now, I'm working in New York, I'm working for private couple Tyler. Never had a blast. And I'm living New Orleans Riley. Obviously, my biggest regret is is how I spoke to superiors and right now I've been working on a couple of different boats. It was the way I handled carlin's exit should hunted of a different way. And I'm currently living between me Orchiston and Manchester. It was my Kate. Yeah. My is the childish way that I acted with Caroline this not to watch. And oh, I up nonprofit store and my hometown about a year and a half ago, Laura. Would definitely be not hand handling the situation as they did with Kate. I should have, you know, solder down like a professional and right now, I'm living in Toronto. And I'm a fulltime yoga instructor trainer Ashton other much regrets. The big thing of season a regret being so unfocused at the points are lying. That's happened to me, but in the same breath. I'm glad at that happen because I think there's a lot of learning that would have come from that situation. What I'm currently doing is working for family in Atlanta, Georgia on the province right now, do some security work for them manage their states Ross spos- China may because he run and not being able to call recall those moments. A remember those moment sorry in Florida at the moment. Just spending time with my kids trying to be a super debt, captain Lee. I think my biggest regret this season was the way I handled a Scituate. With Kate in Carolina, still weren't runabout. Probably will be for a long time. Yeah. Now, we are going to take a look at these scariest moment in below deck history. Ashton's accident watch. What's? Man overboard flick. It too. Asan steps on the line and pulled him off the boat. Thank God for the camera guy, Ashton Brent his life just. Hey, one been called. On board thirty seconds of him dying. I don't know how I deal with that. I need a minute. I've been giving us they can. Well, I have a surprise for you guys. Please welcome the cameraman who saved Ashton. I'm good. Thanks to you. Hey, look. Hey, brent. Are you doing good? I everybody. So great to meet you first of all this is the first time the two of you have seen each other's since the show wrapped right there is there anything you want to say to him. I mean, it's over walling. You know, it's the this whole rewatching everything has been extremely overwhelming for me to you have to relive that moments of really reflected on the situation. Everything that I've done up until now and everything of managed to keep doing in my life is because of this man sitting and it's hot what do you say to somebody like he is my real off year. He he really is a hope that I can do something with Molla. It'll make him proud one day that he can say thank God has saved that guys laugh because look what he's doing with him himself. It's nice. Tell me what happened that day. Well, it would say that. It wasn't just me. I've been getting a lot of attention for sure. But it was Riley who made the first call the captain, captain took out gear Ross who helped him tie the lines. And so it was really collectively all of us that came together, you know, but you're here not to work on the boat. You're here shooting TV show. Yeah. So you're standing there shooting this at some point you make the call. I gotta put my camera down Russell's working on undoing a cot line on one of the vendors behind me. And I noticed that Riley and Ashton were down on the deck on some deck, and I just saw him go in and so immediately went down there, and then basically suss the situation moments. So, you know, how do we get these ropes off like do I dive in to somebody dive in and try to like unhook him? No, that's not gonna work. What is there a knife? Now. So I just looked at the cleats, and I realized that that was the solution. And then started doing that. I. Think Ross come down at that point. It was just like these lines off. And then after we got him off pick up the camera and then start shooting again. So what how long was all that. No, it was long. It was actually looked like he was in the water under the water for maybe twenty five seconds. I bet just struggling himself trying to get him tied. I got to that point. We I'd mainly prepared them on foot was gonna be ripped off. That's that's the force. That was a ready around. My ankle. You were if there was two seconds longer, which was gonna was ripped off. Makes you a motion to hear about right? Yeah. Every time I tell the story I get super anxious. I mean, if Riley hadn't said man, overboard, done instance, it was all over Lee. You have been in this industry for how long thirty five years in this accident rates where in the thirty five year top at the top and the top what do you want? It's never ever happened in my career before. And hopefully, it'll never happen. Again. What do you want to say to him? Like, I've always told me for he's a stud star the real start of the say, captain. Everybody. Ashton? How how did this change you? It was a massive wake-up. Cool. I think you get complacent you start forgetting things on. That's a dangerous job we do. And I think it was just a massive wakeup call. I'm so glad you joined us. I know you're pretty from what I understand you like to stay behind the scenes. There's a reason on the camera. This wasn't your voice your first choice to be here. But we begged you and begged you. So it's we're also happy to sign up to be here. Thanks for great charter season, everybody. See an ex time. Thanks for listening to the podcast everybody. Hope you enjoyed the show. Remember, new episodes? Go live Monday through Friday at four PM eastern time. Make sure you're subscribed to have a great rest of your night.

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Ross and Carrie Cure Covid. Symptoms (Part 1): Energy Body Edition

Oh No Ross and Carrie

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Ross and Carrie Cure Covid. Symptoms (Part 1): Energy Body Edition

"Welcome to own a rousing. Carry the show where we don't just report on fringe science spirituality claims of the paranormal and Wynonna. No WE OURSELVES. Yup and they make the claims we show up. So you don't have to. I'm Ross. Watcher I'm Carrie. Poppy and today we are here to tell you about our new careers as homeopaths who can three. S- he'll you were going to say he'll die. I don't know what I was GONNA say. Cove nineteen covered nineteen. Yeah symptoms. Well this is different. This is good. We know how to take care of. Covert Nineteen now symptoms because we took a class online called homeopathy for Kovic nineteen related symptoms. This is important. I'm sure this is all that her. What's the word this is her whole? Legal Defense Yeah. Yeah she says symptoms virus itself. How did you find this? You know I've been getting emails for a while. I think she might be the homeopath who works out of the facility where we went in saying the hugh on Lake Avenue. Oh interesting will Who this she you keep referring. Yes the great she our heavenly mother. Rena Sassy it says M. A. N. C. H. O. M. Master of Arts Right Elsa See Hong. Oh I think I look up before. What is that certified homeopath? I think that's okay. I just googled. C. H. O. M. Homeopathy and Google was like hey do you have covered nineteen symptoms. Because you're going to the wrong place I love. The Google is doing that now. If you look for Kimberly Meredith interviewed now warns you. Hey here's good and reliable information about covert and Ono Rawson Kerry look at this instead. A lot of our web searches. Now trigger these little warnings. Like hey were you looking for good information because you're not using search terms so at the homeopathy school Colorado. I see that they have a professional certification program to earn a certificate of homeopathy. And that makes you a trump. Okay well Rena. Sassy is a trauma. She is also the CO founder of Healing Studio Online. She discovered that I hope she did. But she's not just the CO founder. She's also an instructor. So yeah you found this. You heard it to main you said what do you think should we learned homeopathy and be able to treat cove in one thousand nine hundred symptoms for fifty five dollars a piece and I said of course will. Why wouldn't we horse. We DO WHY. Would we do anything else with our time? This is the life we chose for ourselves. I went to their site to sign up and I listening to this in the future. Just reminder we recorded this during the covert nineteen pandemic so you may hear sirens. We can't hold for all of them. Cruel Situation Yeah. On their website. I saw other classes for stress management and immune boost. Okay Nice Immune System boot camp. Okay that sounds like you're gonna like make me eat my boogers or something. That exposes me to write. I remember once at my Dad's wedding with my stepmother. My cousin still a baby dropped a hamburger that he was eating in the dirt and his mom just pick it up lightly lately shook it and handed it back to them. That always stuck with me afterwards. Like wow you can do that. Do you think that song is about pick yourself up just yourself off again. I don't know that song okay. Sorry that feels gross. But maybe it's not. Yeah maybe he's just got a healthy microbiome. Yeah that's stuck in my head is like you know what? Yeah we need to have things out the ground every now and then. I'm kind of known for that meeting. If something falls on the ground people realize like lead. One time I got tasked with writing an article I was. I was on the science beat of this website. I was asked to read an article that was basically like the scientific version of the five second rule. They wanted to. How how long can tonight you on the ground before? Oh Yeah I think the mythbusters address this wants in essentially there's kind of a quick ramp up of bacterial influx and then it's fairly constant. I'm glad they got a straight answer. I contacted a bunch of microbiologists and they were basically like get a different job. Wire you guys ready unless they were like. This is stupid okay. I like to think that the immune system boot camp is precisely as you described eating and then I also saw. They had homeopathy for Families Online. Course and that one was ninety nine dollars well almost twice as much. Yeah so those were some of the courses available on healing studio online. It wasn't like there was a huge selection of courses to choose from and they only have six instructors listed including the two co founder. So yeah well because can't teach you many classes. Who is the CO founder? Is it a man with a French name? Yeah peer at Veneer okay. I'm not positive but I think that might be her husband. No he is on her business license. He filed her business license interesting. Okay well it's not positive but I'll allow maybe so when she sent this initial email At the very top there is a quote from the East Virginia Medical School. Yeah where this doctor apparently said natural seems to be the best course so it was this critical care team at Eastern Virginia Medical School that we're responding to covered nineteen and they had released document of sort of best practices. They had learned in. There is a line that says natural seems to be the best course. Well that sounds like. It's in favor of homeopathy as close. Yeah if you have a you know a very limited understanding of the Word Natural. That's true and you only listen when you hear what you WanNa hear. And then he stopped listening and you take a several page document and pull out one sentence. Okay okay I went and looked at that document which she hadn't linked to but I went and found it and know. It's all standard medical protocol but the doctor was just acknowledging we have limits in our understanding at this point. And you don't want to go for this like high intervention approach. When you don't know how much you're going to help if you still have a chance to let the body take. Its course naturally without putting a respirator on. That's what you should do when the person on the verge of death and they need a respirator. Turn to that okay. But there was nothing nothing about avoiding typical conventional medicines. So you're saying this quote was taken out of context. I feel that it was. Did you check on this though? I did but as a wonderful great storyteller. I will tell you about that in a little bit later. Okay all right so fifty five dollars later and a waiver that just essentially said. I'm not gonNA come after you for anything. That happens here chair. I was signed up. You're signed up signs up baby and it was going to be a Monday and Wednesday smack DAB in the middle of the day for US Pacific Time folks so is going to be twelve to one thirty and she is also here on the West Coast very difficult when you only have a certain lunch break so I was going to go on Monday and you were going to go on Winston Day. Yeah just how it worked out perfect. She also shared a google drive folder with everybody so if we missed a day we could go back and view the video which is always really nice. Yeah so much appreciated. Thank you very much and once she hears this. I'm sure she'll be really glad she did. And in the class description it says we will learn the science and practical application of homeopathy. So that you can successfully manage the symptoms of colds. Flus COUGHS OR COVA. Nineteen related symptoms at home call. Yeah by the time I was able to join in on the call on Monday April thirteenth myself and the instructor and then five other people. Oh okay like I was joining nine minutes late and someone else was still trying to get on. So they hadn't really started to class there. Were still trying to figure out the technology and one of them had the last name. Sassy so I was wondering. Is that relatives. She was there on day two and I asked that question. Okay I'll tell you. Hey you okay. So and then someone was listed as iphone. This was zoom meeting. And all of us had had our microphones muted so our way to interact with the right in the chat right and I would say. I was one of the most active chat participants nice. Most of us were just kind of watching along So yeah a small group that had paid fifty five dollars per person for access to this and one of the first things that was going on with just people sharing on the chat. What they're thankful for is nice so I put it that. I was thankful for all the time I get to be spending with my family and that I have worked to do. That's a luxury right now. Definitely that's interesting because when I watched the video later I was like. Oh I wonder what Russell say and I thought maybe weren't theory X. She didn't say your name. And what your for. Well now you know now I know so. She started getting into what homeopathy is in. You know I'll say I feel like I did learn a lot about what homeopathy teaches on. This course quite understand before share so Already glad I did it. She clarified that. Homeopathy is a method into an of itself. It's you know separate from Chinese medicines separate from Arabic medicine and a very different paradigm from allopathic medicine. Yeah we've used that term before that's what we would call kind of conventional medicine right. Seems like that word is not. It's weird it's not necessarily POO pooing conventional medicine but they are the only people who use it so it's one of those Ding Ding Ding. As soon as someone says that just know okay. You have a certain point of view where you heard this word right. One's it pretty uncommon word when someone starts talking about irreducible complexity. Are you have a certain vantage point on the evolution versus creationism versus intelligent design debate? Okay I see where you're going to be talking about the bacterial Lamar Hemoglobin evolution. Okay So yes she said we're GonNa talk about these scientific principles of homeopathy. Okay I'd love to hear them and we should say we've done a couple episodes that involve homeopathy. I'm by a couple. I mean. Probably five six. So we're not going to go too deep here but go ahead and backup and listen to prior episodes if you want more of a homeopathic deep dive now and So she had this presentation that she was running on her screen. Who WAS OPPRESSED ZIV? You've ever seen one of those before so you kind of build this visual outline of all the topics that you're gonNA discuss and they're all in these distinct bubbles and then the website kind of zooms into sub topic. It's fun it's visual and I think. enhances memorization so all good lot like clicking around Google map. Yeah that's right. And she was saying that it had been co-opted from a presentation that had been that for families the ninety nine dollars and every now and then she would go to explain something more depth than say. Oh shoot I think I took that part out the night okay. Waiting for the she was mentioning. Okay but you know. It looks nicer. You're zooming around all these little bubbles in there's a smaller bubble floating and then you jump over to that one who gets bigger. I like good so any discussion of homeopathy of course has to begin with the founder. And maybe discoverer some might say of homeopathy Samuel Hahnemann German fellow on the late seventeen hundreds. He was the one who had been a physician and rumor has it. He was upset with some of the practices of the time like bloodletting. And you know I who can blame him yeah. Medicine was really touching goal in the seventeen hundreds so he started developing his own system of homeopathy and I guess he felt that it was in particular lacking in scientific principles the existing medical paradigm. I just love. This was very funny on her slide. She wrote his name. And then lacking scientific principle Thuja Freudian slide but before she even went into him in his philosophy behind homeopathy. She made this claim this is. I don't even know how I would look this up. She said that in the time of the Spanish flu that thirty percent of deaths were people who had been treated allopathic so by the medical establishment. And you know that Spanish flu of nineteen eighteen just killed millions of people's horrific pandemic. But she said that for people who are treated homeopathic. Louis only one percent died. Well guess you figured out where we could find that good. You've you found the source of the. Hey Dad so I paused it. I enlarged the screen. Found the source of found that source boy took some time but okay she is referencing. A real thing that happens. I'll give her that. So according to the tiny print on the slide the House of Commons that obviously this happened in the UK. That House comments requested a report comparing the two treatments. Homeopathic and allopathic if you will but then suppress the results. When homeopathy came out on top saying including homeopathy would skew the results and then that was presented as like a conspiracy. Okay now my hypothesis here is. Maybe you had a lot more people who were treated by conventional medicine and maybe a very small sample size treated by homeopathy. Very interesting theory. Yeah I wrote down in my notes before I went to check. I said I don't see in this graph. The number of people in homeopathy grew versus allopathic relevant information or how far along in their disease. The people were or if anyone belonged in both groups. Like if you've got. Homeopathy got really sick and went to get medicine and then died. Because you are really sick by then. Okay yeah okay. So all the graphs appeared to be taken from whole health. Now Dot com that had a legitimate source right. They had actually mentioned their source though. So it was an article by a homeopath by Michael Emmons Dean in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine. He did sort of a historical right up on what happened. And so indeed. According to their source the ALLOPATHIC figures included over twenty thousand patients while the homeopathic figures account for five hundred sixty eight. Wow Okay so Yeah hedges a decent in size. But if you're talking about getting an average nineteen thousand plus is going to be far more. Us Fall Pool of data totally and then all of the data was basically self reported and the homeopathic centers were never actually visited by the city. The person who went around a major. You're doing everything right. Got The city that guy so no oversight Yep so it is true that they reported death rate so if true very impressive but if these self reported statistics on a much smaller sample size are accurate. Then that's okay all right. Well thanks for looking that up your will leave it to you. The listener to determine whether that was honest reporting a hundred years ago but I could easily imagine the homeopath saying okay. These you know five or six people died under our tutelage while they were here. We have to admit those were deaths but those other people they went off home they died. We never saw. We didn't follow up. We don't know or they went to the frigging hospital down the street and got counted in their numbers right. I would suspect something like that. Call it a bias. So then she was kind of turning around and Ding the medical establishment on cove. Nineteen saying. Well they don't have any medicines for covert nineteen yet then. She was starting to talk about a no sewed. Yes that could be helpful fighting against Kovic. Goodness called Leptospirosis. No Soda of Leptospirosis. Oh man is that what it was. I've heard that word so many times. What IS LEPTOSPIROSIS ROAD? I would think of like lepidopterists butterflies. I doubt it has anything to do with. It is a bacterial disease that affects humans and animals caused by the bacteria leapt ASPIRA. I think that's one of the food borne pathogens that you hear about like oh they had to recall a bunch a cantaloupe. Okay Cad Leptospirosis. I'm just talking out my ass but I think that's right She did linked to a NIH pubmed article. When I go there it gives me a warning of nineteen is an emerging rapidly evolving situation. Get the latest public health information from the CDC and research from the NIH but yes there was a large scale application of highly diluted bacteria for Leptospirosis epidemic control. Yes I did look at this conclusions. The HOMEO- prophylactic approach was associated with a large reduction of disease incidence and control of the epidemic. The results suggested that the use of HP as feasible tool for epidemic control further research is wanted. Yes so I think this is. One of the studies show mentioned a few times that are out of Cuba that seemed to be pretty controversial. I'm not smart enough to summarize them but she brought up a lot. How Cuba's using these protocols and as I was going around trying to make heads or tails of that I kept seeing scientists. I know in respect saying well. Okay but cure. Cuba has a habit. Cuba's got a habit of sort of treating people with natural medicines claiming success when the date is not all there But I don't know I'm so So this is from two thousand ten. Looks like the studies were done in Cuba in two thousand seven so this is not from Cova nineteen but it's for managing a different situation. All right so it's one data point that does sound promising but it is one data point sure no sewed by the way is basically. Homeopathy is claim to a vaccine. So the idea is that they dilute the actual pathogen down to a really tiny amounts. And then give you that. And then your body learns how to react to that pathogen. Now we do so similar to the idea of a vaccine we have a version of that works and we call them vaccines where you know exactly how. You're introducing either a disabled form of the virus. That has just the right markers on. It's still that the body can build up an immunity to that in a safe fashion and then fight the real thing when it shows up or there's various other ways that you can kind of do the same thing with the live virus a weakened virus it differs from vaccine vaccine. But you know we know the mechanism there whereas in this case it's a little bit more of the sympathetic magic thinking. Yeah assuming that there really is no active ingredient in the Nosotros. Of course if you were giving people like an actual bit of the pathogen. Then yeah you know. Some people would become immune and some people wouldn't and you'd probably make them very sick but that's where it's nice to know that it is homeopathic prepared because the chance that there is an actual pathogen in the substance is vanishingly small and that is because of the principles of homeopathy. Yeah let's talk about those so the first principle of homeopathy. Of course we all know. Like cures like the law of similars. So you've heard US talk about this million times if you listen to the show so we'll be quick but the idea is in a healthy person. A certain substance might make you sick nut. Same substance is going to make you better if you're ill so in a very small amount right in a tiny tiny amount so if my arm has swelled up to high heaven and it hurts to touch and it's bright bright red. Ross might say I know just the thing to do. I'm GonNa Take Snake Venom. Dilute it a jillion times until there is basically none left in the water in which I deluded it. I'm going to inject that into your arm because like cures like that. All sounds eminently reasonable. This was Samuel Hahnemann big innovation to claim that like yours like and that you could somehow by deluding the substance. Make it affect this system. Which will kind of describe more detail? So that's one of the laws here and here. This is where we talk about laws versus theories. Sometimes you just say something a lot and that doesn't make it any more reliable. But she pointed out another law that lies behind. Homeopathy and that is the law of Which basically means you haven't energy body so it's this vital force that animates the human body. There's been many terms for that like the along the Ta. It seems like every kind of spiritual philosophy has its own name for the cheese. You know there's many different terms for essentially a life force. It's SORTA like dark matter. I guess except not as well backed up by scientific observation. But it's sort of a placeholder in that sense where it's like. Well we know there's this thing that makes people live. Let's call it the life force and we'll figure out how to measure it later. I don't know anything about dark matter and I'm now going to seem it's the human soul now. Thank you got a tiny bit of information and running back. Gary. You're back. I didn't communicate that well. By by the way as she was describing the law of similars. She had a very interesting example. She said it's kind of like Ritalin. It's exactly like Ritalin. Yeah so I don't know as much about this as you do. So maybe you can kind of address this but was essentially she was saying. First of all Ritalin is very dangerous. I don't recommend it for children. That's what she said but then she hastened to kind of unpack her metaphor and she said that Ritalin does things that a person with adhd is already experiencing so they have a hyperactive focus and she was asking us to kind of contribute these different aspects racing heart maybe weight loss sort of nervous energy and she said well. That's exactly what Ritalin does and they give it to the person and she said g you know. Does anybody know what Ritalin is? What's Ritalin methamphetamine? Its speed so. They are chemically similar. But I mean there are a lot of prescription medicines that you could take recreationally and Fuck Yourself. But that doesn't mean anything and also yeah dosage matters where you got it matters. You make it out of cold medicine from the street. Yeah yeah a lot more dangerous than taking Ritalin from your doctor. She's so close to a good idea. Hearing you know how me the everytime I think about it I'm like okay. You just missed the part that this has to be before you get infected. His is true. Few encounter something and give your immune system time to practice with it gets better at it like practicing anything. We're just saying the idea of a vaccine is e very similar right right and the law of similars tells us. You should get vaccinated. It should right. So she gives us Ritalin example and then on her slide next to the Ritalin was a big onion house they who how would I rather have Ritalin or onion? Oh yeah great example. But she's telling us all this and then is like but anyway. Don't take Ritalin of like when you can't get bigger speaking out of both parts your mouth. You can't be like this is a perfect example of what I'm describing. Don't take it. Oh yeah good point. I guess because they haven't prepared the Ritalin homeopathic -ly if they had it would be as strong or stronger. Yeah that that would be interesting if you made a homeopathic preparation of Ritalin do that you could. But she recommended for the exact same symptoms. It's all about the symptoms to give someone onion and that is if you see a homeopathic remedy that is titled Sepa. Cpa that is using onion that has been diluted diluted diluted She asks US kind of that leading question. What happens to you if if you have an onion and you slice it crying. Yeah your eyes watered and that's very similar to what we're talking about with. Adhd so we use that. Yeah it was she kinda going this this. She quickly mentioned Hay fever I think. Adhd and allergies are often co Morbid. So maybe that's where she was getting or maybe I am drawing together things for her benefit that she did not mean to. Hey okay well that makes more sense the way you say. I should teach this. And then she unpacked the law of Didymus about the vital force and she said in this was all corroborated by Albert Einstein when he discovered E. equals MC squared. See All Energy Matter. Get Him on the phone. So that's all we had to do to establish that yes. There is a life force. That animates us now. I thought that was quite a bit of press to digitization I noticed she was also talking about disease and she kept enunciating. It DIS DIS. Yeah I like it actually. 'cause I mean that's where the term comes from? I'm not feeling at ease. Yeah totally DIS. And the doctor is there to tell you at ease soldier odors when you do that. Don't do that then. She showed us. The hierarchy of this is and it is a triangle pyramid. If you will very much like the maslow's hierarchy of needs if you think of your basic needs at the bottom you need food you need shelter and then as you get higher you need respect and community in the news you even hire you. You can get to yourself. That's factual yeah whereas on this pyramid at the bottom you have the physicals. Then you work your way up to in notional okay and then. The next rung is mental at the very top of the pyramid sphere. Too little spit a tutor. And so your disease starts in your energetic body right and and so homeopathy this was. This was kind of new to me. I didn't really understand it. Homeopathy rather than addressing the physical body. They're looking at. What is your spiritual body that we just proved with Einstein? What is lacking? Let's address that and at least by way of analogy. We have a certain logic. You know if you knock over your almond milk on the table and spills onto the ground. Don't start mopping up the ground. I I fixed the glass. Put It upright cleaned the the surface so that's not going to keep dripping down. Take care of that first and then clean up the floor and you don't need to cry over any of that unless there's an onion nearby so you're saying if hope this whole mix you're saying that if they were going to be a pandemic it might make more sense to control the cases that are already in existence then let them spread and then triage all the worst cases one at a time in a widespread fashion when you don't have enough p. or doctors to do it. It sounds logical when you say that way. Yeah you might WanNa cut off the transmission of I and make sure the situations not getting worse and then treat all the people who have the disease yes received warning Yeah no that makes sense as long as you have the cause right exactly so if that is true if disease really starts with the energetic body then yeah that makes sense to to try to. Suss out what that energetic causes and address it. And that's that's how they're looking at this Then it gets confusing. This is how it always is right. At first you're like okay okay. I'm feeling you now. You're giving me examples in nope. Nope this doesn't work. So she says they start in the energetic body which suggests to me starting somewhere around the spiritual level. Yeah but she said the more physical symptoms the more superficial the disturbance. I guess there's some sort of handshake that's happening here. Between the physical and the energetic body and that you can have these very minor easily treatable things. That are just more physical. They're just kind of surface level. So they right. They might be easier to treat but they're not as important in. It's the deeper more significant energetic. Things that you really need to focus on I know okay. If it starts in the energetic body yes then a superficial disturbance have to still be in the energetic body. I think I see what you're saying now. So my thought is that if you're seeing that kind of surface level manifestation. It's the tip of the iceberg. That's pointing to something more significant. That's how I was understanding interesting so I bet both of these explanations worked for her whatever's convenient the moment maybe but yeah my understanding was Oh sure we can put a band aid on that. But let's really focus on energetic okay issue. I'm sure one of these or both of these are correct in air in but the concept about homeopathy here again. This was kind of new to me and I and I like that. She clarified it as such is that. Homeopathy is not about diagnosis right. Uh so they're just they're not interested in finding out what caused it or giving it a name of a disease. They're all about identifying symptoms and treating those symptoms right and there's kind of a system for saying okay. What is the symptom? And then which of these little preparations are known to treat that. Which for me at least feels inconsistent. The most important thing for you to know is that we figured out the origin of the disease. It's your energy body now. We don't believe in figuring out the origin of disease. Just their symptoms. Yeah I guess it's not so much about naming it or giving it like oh you're experiencing this it's like oh you have a little cocktail of fever and sweaty nece and we're going to treat all those kind of differently and we have this huge cocktail. A potential cocktail of different homeopathic remedies and each one is supposed to handle different things and so individual association was another key concept here. So so you carriers sniffling in front of me and you're kind of red and flush carry just got really sick. All of a sudden so then I start looking through my pharmacopoeia ear and saying okay. Well I have this thing that actually oh this treats both flush and the feverish part and so if you were may be flush and clammy then I might choose a different one. That kind of intersects with those better and even on this particular intersection that is carry. There might be six or seven different things that kind of in that neighborhood so maybe I grab a couple of them one of them that I trust and know well right. Good we good. Does that all make sense. No yeah no makes perfect sense. Oh she did differentiate here between chronic disease and acute disease this felt like just her stalling for time to finding something that I think everybody would understand. Well it was. I think mostly to say that we the people in this room can start right away with treating acute diseases maids the chronic stuff that you do want to send someone to a trained homeopath to deal with. She said but I encourage you to start doing this right away. Meaning treating acute disease and she said whether it's covert nineteen or not because the more practice you get the more successful you are becoming as that lay homeopath okay. Again that makes sense You know as long as we assume these basic principles. Yeah okay. That's logical well Kerry yes. 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That's going to tell me how to get to the root of the problem wherever it is on the energetic level and also that the approach should be holistic so we're looking at three different aspects of the person their mental their emotional and their physical selves. And not just the physical you know as the industrialized medicine establishment wants you to write objectify. A person writes okay. So how does homeopathy get made? So you take that substance that like cures like substance so in my example that was snake venom. Yes and it's usually a mineral animal or plant doesn't leave too many on Chad's correct. Well I guess it'd be a fungus slaughter which is what you end up with. Okay so you take that substance you put it in. What's called the mother tinctures? So this is your first vial of homeopathic medicine. Trimble took the mother of bread. Or whatever and you take that you take one drop out of that jar and you put it in that one drop you put in a new jar full of water and then you us. This is very important. Yes shake the dickens out of it. Now let's discuss the CUSS K. Because this is a term. I don't think I've ever encountered outside of the world of homeopathy point. Yeah I'm GONNA look sick. I bet okay if I look up succession that you anything Google. Do you mean the show succession. Oh let's see okay or it might say if you're looking for information about covert nineteen please refer to the CDC did you mean succession fun. Oh interesting succession is used in Gastroenterology because of succession splash which is a sloshing sound heard through the stethoscope during sudden movement of the patient on abdominal off soul. Titian pay your flex the presence of gas and fluid in obstructed organ. Okay well there you go multiple uses of the term succession. So this was also kind of news for me. 'cause I've always pictured when someone's preparing one of these remedies and her picture made it look like this to that you have like a very water jar bottle or something like that that you know is filled with water and then you drop one drop of the substance into that and you shake it up. Yeah and then you take one drop of that and you put it into another similar cylinder of water and or alcohol. Yeah but what she was saying. Was that it's one drop combined with ninety nine drops of pure alcohol. Oh Okay and that's a one C preparation so see kind of like the Roman numeral for one hundred and then you shake that up and it seems like usually. She didn't get into the number of shakes. But it seems like usually there'll be sort of a set number like you get fourteen times right. That is a successful succession. You succeeding successful. Succession from the experiment is successful. So then the second the to see processes taking one drop from that first one in one hundred drops and putting it in the second collection of ninety nine drops appear alcohol. You shake that you take one drop from that. Put It in the next ninety nine drops of alcohol that sounds very time consuming and so my question was on the chat. Hey Yo what about water? What how much water is in there? I always pictured this with water and so she said Oh you know what actually they try to minimize water and if they have to use water you know the only go up to thirty percent water so I guess an additional thirty something drops of water. I don't know I don't none of the seemed like the scale. I was picturing. I was picturing a much larger. Yeah Yeah you're right Yeah and having one percent of the original mother be the substance because it's harder to shake a tiny amount of something definitely hundred drops just doesn't sound that much to me. Yeah so anyway interesting. The change my mental image of what was going on and she clarified that normally places that are preparing these they have machines. That do this right and I've always wondered. I would actually love to visit a homeopathy facility. If anyone knows about one. That's within reach of me. I would love to just see the process and me to do. They actually put all that effort into creating the homeopathic preparation where we should ask Santa Monica homeopathic pharmacy. If we can get a tour of the factory Gary like where where it is Where do you actually get these things? Yeah that's our local homeopathic pharmacy. We live in La. Oh by the way. There is a homeopathic preparation called APIS which comes from the B but not the venom of the start thinking. It's the phantom would. Does that mean they just crush be? Yeah that's what it sounded like the body of the be. Okay well Rina said you might want to consider that for cove nineteen. So we're we're already getting a tip here. I was picturing. She's explaining the dilution process. And she's like you know really laying out the basics of homeopathy. A got this little. I don't butterflies in my stomach thinking. What if there's just one person on this call who's never heard this in his like wait? This can't be rights. 'cause I remember the first time I heard about meal? It was James Randi video. O'brien I thought your misrepresentative can't be right and that's a straw man. They no one would say that. I think I also to my credit like new that no there are some things labeled homeopathic. That are just herbal and that's true. Unfortunately that's a mislabeling problem true homeopathy. He doesn't have anything in it but obviously randy was right about true homeopathy and then I went on a James Randi Youtube poll and here today one thing leads to another succession of James and you succumbed to the message so true so then someone asked what became maybe my favorite question of the day. They said okay. Well what do you do if you know that you want a certain potency but you can only find? Yeah different one at the at your local homeopathic pharmacy which is a good question. So what if they've gone all the trouble to create a two hundred C and all you have is thirty C but you're pretty sure you need a one hundred. See what do you do well? She says we organised talk about that later. But basically it would be very hard for you to do this on your own to make your own succession. So the general rule of thumb is whatever amount or remedy you have even if it is the wrong remedy. Go ahead and give it Give them anything. Yeah I guess. The energy body will respect that the thought is what counts? I you know I think that's right. I think it is literally the thought. So that's counts here so this might be the third law the law of the what. Yeah Oh man yeah the law of it's the thought that counts. That's what we'll see is placebo. It's the thought that counts. Even if you tell somebody that it's placebo still pretty powerful the a lot of power in gesture. So you're right. That kind of gave up the ruse. I don't know but don't try to like take that sugar pill. Kinda get to that. But don't you know crush it up and try to don't try to dilute it in some more water and do your own successions. That's a lot of work though if you did same thing happen. Yeah and we'll get to another aspect that really bothers me in this but okay. I can't wait so okay. We were talking about sugar. Pills says just to skip to the punch line here so people have the right frame of mind. So you do all those things you you diluted a bazillion times you finally come up with a substance that has zero amount of the original. The original medicine take that this final pure alcohol water concentration Paul. A little bit out of that and you put him in. Literal sugar pills. Yeah I asked her later. This does come up. I said so. What are these pellets made out of? And she said a lactose or sucrose sugar for sugar but also it's important that you know that after twelve see. Sir Pure energy there are no more molecules of the original substance left. So you've taken this drop of the original substance you've put it into just to recap for those at home you've put it into a solution of ninety nine drops. A pure alcohol may be added. Some water to help preserve the alcohol. Not Too much. Apparently you've shaken it. Okay you take one drop out of there. You put it in the next bottle yet. Do that again you it out next bother you do this twelve times. And so she tells us at this point she realizes that the chances of any molecule any physical representation from the original substance infants me small. Essentially you know at this point. You probably don't have any of that original substance that was the original onion or be part or van. Damme right and if you were going to accept that no it's still sort of in their energetically than we would have to assume. That tap water has so much like birth. Control Ritalin every all these young people are taking. This is where we literal minded people start thinking about the implications of what you're saying you're saying that by shaking the water you can get it to kind of hold onto this idea and this is another term in homeopathy that we've talked about before and she didn't come out with right away but water has a memory. That's the idea to and so you have to ask. Then how does it maintain that memory? And why doesn't it remember everything else? Because it's kind of like that idea of Caesar's last breath you know every time you breathe in. There's a fair chance you get a molecule that at some point had gone through the lungs of Caesar because he breathed the lot in his lifetime. And we're we live in a closed system for the most part. All of our air is recycled from previous era. So that water's been around. And certainly any h two o you encounter has a very very very very very high probability of having passed through a dinosaur gut at some point. Does it remember that it does want to interview? Does that affect my life? Probably not should I care about that. I mean it might affect your life at an evolutionary sense other than general intellectual curiosity affect me. No probably. He's our coke is now okay but still I think they enter into the equation. If you're making ask claim yeah for sure. So even tried to ask her that. I posed the question in the chat. Can you talk more about how? The memory of the substance is preserved or stored after twelve. See the way she made it clear. You WanNa get to these much higher numbers than twelve but already at this point right. You've lost the substance so okay so tell me more about how that gets stored and she said. I'm not sure I understand the question. Can you be more specific? So I- rephrased it. I said you were talking about how there are no molecules left after twelve. See but I'm curious as to how the memory of that substance remains in the dilution. How does the law do it? She hadn't yet talked about water having a memory implied parentheses. This doesn't make sense right. Certainly not to me and it took her a long time to to get to that answer but she just sort of restated. It is like oh well you know. It's it's energetically there right. So you've taken over having a physical representation and now you have energetic representation of that original substance but what about all the other things that were floating around in that water that they do recommend using distilled water boiled water? You know they're trying to get fairly pure water but anyway water. You find that you can get your hands on. Has other things in it and boiling. Doesn't even do that much for things like lead. Doesn't it make the lead content? Were so interesting. Because that's heavy and it doesn't get boiled out so becomes technically more concentrated. Okay so again to my mind is not a good explanation but I guess the important principle of homeopathy is that we have made that handshake from physical too energetic and by continuing to dilute we are only enhancing the energetic potency. Okay words a person can say yeah. Okay and here's where we get to something the I misunderstood and carry had to set me straight on 'cause she keeps using this term potency right and so who can blame you the way. She's using it as very counterintuitive. Yeah I thought potency referred to like the physical scale and then energy was on the other end of the scale so you could either be more potent them more energetic initiative. Make sense with the way we've been talking about right but yeah think of everything is an inversion here so as the substance get smaller. It is more potent. It is more potent energies stronger. Yes yes and I remember. As she was saying that she was kind of twirling her hair and looking cab besides twirler perilla and she explains that very important to this. Whole theory is of number. She hit Britain wrong on the slide for looking at it of for a guy though. Ever Levine have her levine's a number. Oh yeah with an avocado. If they had a baby it'd be a regattas number So Yeah Avocados. Number is a way of kind of knowing from the massive a substance. How many molecules are in a mole of a substance So it's a constant six point zero to two times ten to the twenty three or something like that. I don't know my mom's allergic to avocado. Say let's make sure you don't get that wrong. Well that's truncated a bit six point zero to two trails on but yes times ten to the twenty third power so that helps you do that math. That's an important number to have. But she was saying essentially because we know that number using a little bit of actual empirical science we can know something about how much substance we would expect in a certain volume and they realized then that means after a certain point you just you don't have that substance in there anymore. Homeopathic preparation we dip our tones the world of evidence and science when we feel it serves us in the pull that foot right backout. Y'All WanNa serves us so we love it. That's good science. She also said I loved this. She said and because this is energy. It's not so easily understood in terms of physics right like that's one of the primary things. Physics study. Yeah is energy. But she said it's it's more understood in terms of Nanno physics and nanomedicine. Okay tell me more. Oh that's it okay. So you just added the word Nanno. If you wanted to use Einstein to equate matter and energy then you have to accept. The energy is part of the realm of physics. But you are using energy and a very different way and using his use of energy. Which is the accepted? One to subsidize your idiosyncratic definition of energy. It would be funny to just ask her. Like what scientist was Einstein? What happened right right. Yeah wasn't a metaphysicist. One of my biggest frustrations during the two thousand sixteen debates was a just wanted someone to ask trump like. What's the capital of Michigan? Just like something. Super like a schoolchild might know full. Grown adult might not know but you should know if you are a politician. Where do you find Kansas City right? Yeah Right Kansas. Because I think I fantasized about asking him on television explained the significance of Easter. Yeah yeah or just like Basic Bible questions totally. I don't think he'd known. Oh there's no way there's no way yeah name Mr Two Corinthians just tell me one thing Jesus said Yeah. I would love to hear his answer. It would probably be like do unto others as you'd have to you something like that. I would accept that. Yeah but I imagine it would be. The Lord helps those who help themselves something something that sounds full right like adjacent to the Bible but not actually in it or like some very weird summary. Will you do to bill with Jane once because Jane wants to be treated like bill right? Okay I think this ad might of heard something that sounded like once you were walking past. Norman peels station or ask him. Like what is your favorite miracle that Jesus performed. I bet he'd be flummoxed birth. Yeah you know the water. He moved so powerful with water. He was great with water. I mean and you know people say I'm great with water right away. You put the memory and water. The the answer would swirl back to him anyways anyway. Another things you clarified for us here was that sometimes when you're looking at a homeopathic preparation it'll say thirty. C or one hundred see but sometimes it'll say X. All right and that's a different scale so also with the Roman numerals. It just means ten which means it seems like X. is sort of like the Lazier man's approach to homeopathy. That's when you only have nine drops of the pure alcohol to one drop of the substance and then you shake that up and then which seems. That's ridiculous that so little but you're only doing these multiples of ten rather than multiples of one hundred and so much higher numbers. I guess a two x would be the same as one. See I guess. By that logic. Ten Times ten would be one hundred makes sense so then the way. The exponentially -ality grows the sea is far more rapid. This is where homeopathic. It's really complicated. I have seen on especially on cough drops where it'll say homeopathic and then I turn it over and it says this particular ingredient at two acts which probably still leaves something in there just co-opting term home thick to give actual medicine. Now you've got a whole other fricken problem. Yeah you've got to be kind of careful about that because something that we've done before and it's just a common response to homeopathy is to say. Hey well let's overdose on this. Let's take a bunch of it at once just to kind of demonstrate that this isn't dangerous but also that means it's probably not helpful either. It doesn't really do anything in so you take a bunch of pills at the same time but sometimes things are marketed as homeopathy and they have active ingredients in them like zinc. So definitely do read the back the substance before you go and take a jar full especially if it's those XS because that means they were dealing with much smaller delusions so that means. They're less potent and less potent her. Yes more potent to the human body. That's the energy body less. I hope that'll make sense. So then we also learned about the law of resonance that had something to do with the water and she said you know the way you can understand. This is if you have to tuning forks at the same frequency and you put them next to each other. They stopped vibrating. The vibrations cancel one another out. Have you ever heard that okay? With the way I was hearing her. Describe this was that. If you put these next to each other they'll start to bounce off of each other and create something new That was not inherit either of them. L. Interest go at least within sound. I mean this is how noise cancelling headphones work. You can take an oscillation pattern essentially vibrational pattern and invert it and cancel it out essentially so that could be part of it as well. It sent me on a youtube rabbit hole. Okay science experiments for kids or they used to tuning forks and I ended up being a big fan of a guy. Show you his picture because he always has this goggles based sunburn. Oh yeah notice. You posted the picture this guy okay. Anyway that's all but he did the experiment and it yet. It basically you can get it too sympathetically vibrate by you know you hit this one and the other one response. Okay School. Yeah all right. A lot of things. You can do tuning forks. Does that mean the law of residence is true? Yes okay because the energy body is the same way like cures like so I guess the important takeaway here is that by influencing energy. You can create something new. Yeah I think it's another like cures like using into your body thing that's on the same frequency or resonance or whatever and instead of them both staying the same. The sum is greater than the parts. Okay I guess okay but we are. You know. I think we're saying the same thing over. And or she's saying the same thing in different ways so the ideas of whatever substantive used. It has sort of an energetic imprint. And it's now going to go into your own personal energetic imprint and work with it to begin this healing process. Yes who so. Some people will have mild symptoms. Other people have more severe symptoms of the same illness and she said if you have more intense symptoms you're on the verge of collapse or have already collapsed go with higher potencies meaning higher dilution. Go to a doctor please because you need to get that energy body yet. Can you imagine someone's like collapsing in front of your whole that I have a hundred cs of onion the way a seconds that means you would need if it was oh you go for higher potency in that case? Okay Oh goodness not that the lower potency would do anything either but yeah higher dilution all right and then she said if someone is on the verge of death they would probably need a higher potency. Meaning Heart Solution to meet that disturbance. That's happening on the energetic body. So when is dying in front of you in? You're like gotTa make sure that it's very thin. Homeopathy where everybody thinks of that. Homeopathic Er Mitchell and Webb did. We've seen this many times if you haven't seen it before. Check it out. They kind of show what an emergency room would look like if all of the doctors were homeopathic. Quick quick get him on a drip of you know one hundred right. Yeah something very very dilute. Just barely touch him with it. It's good times good times so Ross. Did you know that we have actually known for a long time that the memory of a substance imprint itself on alcohol and Water? Have we known we don't it since two thousand nine? That's not as long as I would have thought that's when Nobel Prize Winner Luc Montagnier discovered that there are electromagnetic signals or basically nanostructures in the form of nanoparticles in deluded homeopathic remedies. So essentially homeopathy is nanomedicine. Okay okay so I'm guessing this is not what this person got their Nobel Prize for correct? He got his Nobel Prize for Co discovering the AIDS virus HIV. Oh Hey okay. Yeah legit guy and so. He's looking at homeopathic preparations. And he's detecting a lot of nanoparticles in them. According to her telling he discovers that there are electromagnetic signals in the water even though the substance is gone had to go and look this up so he did publish a paper. It was a non peer reviewed paper. It argued that bacteria can re-re is in substances that were previously. Thought to be sterilized. Do interesting probably mostly suggests a limitation in our ability to measure the presence of those substances or those bacteria right which is important like yesterday. Realization is very important so he wins onto to theorize that there may be was some sort of signal coming out of bacteria which is unusual. That's a strange way to look at it. There's a really good right up by Harriet Hall on this if you WanNa really do a deep dive. But here's what's really great there was a CBC reporter named Eric. Johnson. Who did a story about this and she reached out to him and said okay. But what do you think about homeopaths using your work In order to promote homeopathy and he said his results could be extrapolated to the products. Used in homeopathy. Okay done such as scientific response to write a very measured all right. Well good for him. Definitely and then of course. We heard about Dr Ramona's water studies but it's understandable why they would use that paper because like cures like wait. Okay what does that me? So this paper sounds something like the claymore. Making the claim. Gobind cures are lack of evidence. So then of course we heard about Dr Emoto. Oh yes one of our favorite people. She mentioned some of. You may have heard about how water can be imprinted and so. I wrote to Dr Emoto Question Mark and so she said Oh someone that's yes moto. Of course he always has to be introduced into any of these discussions made famous by what the bleep do. We know the documentary aware. They talked about all sorts of new. Age and occult claims but in particular. They highlighted this this man. Masaru Emoto who claimed that he could talk to water and then freeze it and the water that he said. Nice things to would freeze into these beautiful shapes. These beautiful snowflake like designs and the ones that he was mean to would freeze into ugly disgusting. Gps very thoroughly discredited research. One of those ones where you think who would believe that for a second. There's a long pause. I believe that for a second. You try it yes. I also tested it. I watched. What the BLEEP. When I still that sort of thing and I was like this is amazing. All Right Yeah. We hear it a lot. It really resonated with people love residents. Yeah they really have. A memory of that experiment comes up all the time in our investigations Ye. He wrote the book the hidden messages. And I have this long list of books that I really WanNa read. That are kind of foundational some of these. I would say bad ideas. So that's one of them Also Samuel Huntington's book that kind of started all of this the organic of medicine. I feel like I need to set a summer aside or something and just read a lot of these foundational texts. That'd be fun so good news. Everybody Rena is working with a pharmacist. Who's putting together a fifty remedy kit for treating Corona virus? Homeopathy who she recommends. We all get the Kit Of course their remedies that have been working around the world and it's pretty interesting because she said in the past. During outbreak there would be like one to two remedies that work for everybody but with this virus there are such different symptoms in different regions accurate. And so there are about twenty five different remedies that work on this and she said and that could be because it's mutating so quickly but again I'm like okay. Wait it's mutating. We're back to talking about the fiscal body right right now. We're talking about a cause of disease. The physical realm rather than just symptoms. What's going on the symptoms very similar By the way I will I will note anytime she would see the little chat icon light up with a new notification that she would immediately go jump on it. Oh yes on the answer. Your question and I asked around this time. Do you ever need to clear? Previous imprinting of the water or alcohol L. Yeah because I wanted to get her to at least respond to that. She did not Either see that or answer that by detriot asking again later so we'll get to that. Okay got just letting it be known Soon after this we got to one of the more. Bummer thinks she said so she said that one of the remedies that she wanted to have in the kid but wasn't able to yes was homeopathic cyanide hydro cyanide acid and she said that works especially well for people with ancestral trauma said for example the surviving family of Holocaust victims people with collective trauma of genocide is. Let's give them an infinitesimally small amount of cyanide. Of course she has to go on to explain because cyanide was used mobile to to gas people we know this is offensive. Get it yeah. And then she also kept using the word Gypsies. Zain not not not the appropriate word. Oh Man Image said Oh. African Americans will respond well to this as well as like. Okay so just wait. Yeah just need. Buddy who's been maltreated can be oppressed fixed by this. Because the Nazis used it. Yeah what I don't make no sense so if with you the entire time if you're feeling put upon as a homosexual then yes yeah chevy taking right about a similar energy but she made it very clear that not everybody can make this but she said if you reach out to me. I have a provider. The E. organics. They can make this preparation a guy. So let me know on the side and I'll get you some side cyanide. Yeah I really wanted the the no sewed but it seems like you had to like meet with her like become a patient officially to get the no so automated she wanted to know you could handle it Yeah that was I don't like that so she also differentiated between taking a wet Dosen. A dry dose as you might imagine. A wet dose is taken with water. But it's very counterintuitive to me. Which when you give so. If someone has high fever over a hundred sue you consider them to have a strong vital force because their body is working to fight off the pathogen. Okay so them. You give a dry dose. You force them to swallow it without water. Oh yeah that is counterintuitive right. It seems like the person who's really hot. Feverish should be like water. Yeah and then has like a really sticky mouth and you don't want them to choke on anything right. It would help it get down down get down with it but if a person has a week vital force so example. No fever feeling. You'RE GONNA WANNA water dose that okay so I mean should water dosing you right now. Because nothing's happening I guess. Oh No yeah so you can take that cap soul or that sugar pill and just put it in a bunch of water which seems like an additional cussin' yeah process but whatever. Yeah well she also said that you can like you can take this kit and make your own hogging up the forever but just putting in a. Yes. That's the thing that annoys me. So of the rest of this is fine. I accepted but the idea that you can make your homeopathic preparation. Let's say you're running low. We'll just take a drop of that and put it in a new container of Water. And then you're good to go for another ten years or whatever yeah She said why. Do We then have a homeopathic industry? Why do people need to buy any of this? So and also why? It's no different. Why do we care about the Caesar the XS or thing and how? `Bout I put it in a couple of water and I take that and I poured in the ocean. Now everybody's got it told me up at the don't needed anybody the same logic right. Flush it down the toilet. You've helped the whole world. No makes sense speaking of things that don't make sense okay. So she was talking about how to store your homeopathy and she said you WanNa keep it in a cool dry place keep it away from phones keough right away from Wifi. Routers any radiation you know. Just try to protect it as best as you can. And I'm thinking oh come on. Cosmic radiation at every moment is inner penetrating this water of yours or the sugar pills from every direction. Yeah it's a futile effort to protect it from that. She was saying. Don't leave it out in the car or the sign because all of these things if you get exposed to too many of these factors heat sign what have you it will antidote it. Yeah Antidote. So she said Oh. Yeah I I have this backpack and I keep a first aid kit. Oh she kept saying first aid kit. Don't call it a first aid kit because when I hear that someone has a first aid kit. I think that they're going to have some antiseptic. Turn A kit. Bright a band aid or to some gauze Maybe some aspirin or something. And you've got a bunch of homeopathy in your backpack. You walk around with all the time but she said Oh yeah. I've accidentally left it out in the car. And then come back. And it's antidote. Did I have to get rid of it? All and start over again. But she also said going through an x-ray supposed to antidote it. But she's had do that a number of times at the airport and they still work and then she said and trust me. I tried to take it out a walk through with it but they won't let them picturing her like no no. You don't understand homeopathic medicine yeah later yeah but it under so then I asked later on. How can you tell if something's been antidote? What if somebody yeah hit it with a hair dryer when you weren't looking because hairdryer held at your head that's essentially what a hairdryer is and it's been antidote? It okay well usually I would say the easiest way to tell is to use it and if it doesn't work it's been antidote so if you're homeopathic preparation is not even meeting your standards or advocacy and you say oh probably got antidote at some point but she said she will also often use a pendulum and yes kinda swing over and ask it. Oh how're you doing? Homeopathic remedy and it will then either nod yes or no. It's where you really tip your hat to the fact that Oh you really are dealing with like some pretty outside the bounds of evidence stuff. Are you feeling gone? You're fifty five dollars worth yet. Nah You know. We aren't talking that much about in nineteen yet. Oh good point all keep going so. Let's associate gives us a little preview of what we're going to talk about on Wednesday shed. We're GONNA talk about prevention okay. Sounds good and then she said it would really help for heard immunity for all of us to just go ahead and contract this disease because there are ways to get it without being symptomatic so she said it would be the best thing in the world if all of us just went out right now in just got covered nineteen and just do it get it over with but don't get any symptoms so she obviously knows part of the information. Which is that you can carry it without being symptomatic. She seems to think we have control over. Who's going to be symptomatic? Therein lies the issue. Ma'am it would not be the best thing ever because yes everybody would then have covered. Nineteen many of them would have horrible symptoms. They would need hospitalization but uh-huh the hospital is filled with other people who are also struggling with cove nineteen many of them will be dying and more people will die period and to be a carrier without symptoms is one of the most dangerous things you can be because no one even knows to stay away from you so she kept saying yeah and then she said there are ways to educate our bodies toward this virus while still staying healthy and not getting sick and has like. Yeah A fucking vaccine. Boom we get a fucking vaccine. It will do exactly what you just described. We aren't there yet and we are so fricken impatient that we're just like they're just has to be away. We have to be able to do it right. Y Right and because the medical establishment has generated that yet doesn't mean that we can then rely upon proposed. Right right has no efficacy. Yeah you hear this so much. It's understandable but this like will doctors didn't have any answer for me. Okay that sucks. It doesn't not sock but it also means someone who could have sold you something. Bogus chose not to to be honest with you that they didn't know the solution. That's actually like a pretty strong marker of honesty. Let's just be aware of our ignorance where it is very similar to to how many people a debate about God's existence or creationism versus evolution. Will go straight to will. Do you know exactly how all matter was created. Well now we have some some ideas and theories but yeah we don't know exactly Well I do. I know the confident. But that doesn't mean that the answer that's been passed down for generations from someone who knew next to nothing in a pre scientific era doesn't mean that that is now all of a the best answer because you're more sure of it a you say you know. I disagree with that too. Yeah Oh also you ask that question about clearing imprinting on water or alcohol. So she did say that distills water is best. She said you can boil or filter your water. But she specifically said do not get to sunny who that is not healthy waters. That's made by what the Coca Cola Company Pepsi One of those But feed you order. That is that's great. That's great for Daytona sixty predominantly sir. Random this class has been brought to you by feed you another way by the way I feel like. I really need to warn everybody. You can also antidote your homeopathy by exposing it to essential oil. Oh yes which is essentially the opposite of homeopathy. It is very highly some might say abusing that run and then she also said that one of the ways that conventional medicine and homeopathy disagree. Is that conventional medicine views all viruses and bacteria as evil things. We should never interact with and well. Homeopathy acknowledges that there eighty billion bacteria already alive inside of us. How did you learn that? Homeopathy and eighty billion viruses already live inside us. Eight no not correct about the viruses. We do have a viral load. But it's not that but regardless is very aware that we need bacteria that friendly bacteria are critical to survival and a lot of our DNA was made by viruses. No one's in the dark about this in organized that is not the message of science. I'm reading a really cool book right now called. I contain multitudes. Cute the microbes within us. Yeah that's a great use of that That quote quote. Yeah by Ed Young. And it's all about how bacteria have gotten really bad. Ramp is talks a very even-handed way about both the good and bad bacteria but yeah the vast multitude are essential to our living could not live without bacteria so yeah I don't I don't know what point she thought. She was making their massive. Your body is about half bacteria does pretty wild so someone did say okay. So you know you've been talking about like the no soad's and how introducing this into your body allows it to prepare for when it encounters the actual virus. So is it a little like a vaccinations questions and boy she just I? I don't WanNa say yes to that and I don't WanNa say no to that. Let me turn my Webcam on. And then she turns on her Webcam and she's like rubbing her forehead and she's like stressed out like him. I don't know well okay. It's it's not the same as vaccines because it's a different medical paradigm in homeopathy. We believe the energy body is the thing being attacked by the virus but in Conventional Madison. They think sickness is in the physical bodies so so they put stuff in the vaccine like heavy metals aluminum and DNA from other animals species because they want to agitate the immune system and create an allergic response from the immune system. Very few words. That statement art so I never knew that Every now and then she would drop in some substance and say oh people have been using that with corona virus clearly. She has dozens that she thinks have been really successful. Why aren't they getting rid of this pandemic then like why? This is so effective. Why are these homeopathic? Doctors not getting out there and letting people get into businesses but screening them in advance and giving them Brioni. Ah which is working for. I couldn't tell if she said fifteen or fifty percent of people with corona virus. But you know well. I missed that soil. Some significant percentage. Another thing that she told us about homeopathy and just how to use it as to not just use it once and then shift in pivot and try something different. Get time sometimes. You know the first time. It won't fully work with your energetic body by you know. Try a second and third and even a fourth dose collapses in front of You. Time still collapsed. Doesn't seem like it's working dose. And she talked a little bit about how long the wait between doses. Don't don't don't do it too often but yeah essentially if it I. It doesn't SOCO's try. Try AGAIN IF IT I. It doesn't work deny the situation to yourself. Discard that data point. She also told us that. Distilled Vodka is good for homeopathic preparations and storing whatever energetic signature? It is and she said that alcohol really is kind of the best medium because it lasts forever never goes bad. Oh right I mean everything goes bad eventually right out never interesting and then we got to the end of the actually. I think I had to go to another meeting. We were already nine minutes past so my notes stopped around here somewhere and I pointed out. Hey sorry I gotta gotta run but Thanks for all the fish and she said Oh. That's right were okay. Yeah we should wrap up but There was evening and there was morning the first day of the class and I would tune into the video the next day but on Wednesday was just me and her and two other people all Haney Group. Wow Okay so half interesting so you know. People invested fifty five dollars presumably to take this course. I just had obligations. 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Hello and welcome to monocle on culture. I'm rob bound on the program this week. Reviewing the latest film from david fincher titled bank might not sound appealing. But bank is actually short for mankiewicz as an herman j the hollywood screenwriter who citizen kane rawson wells which is just what he's doing in this movie off the car crash. Bank is quarantined with a nurse. Secretary and a raging. I in the desert outside of los angeles. And he's writing to the tightest deadlines to satisfy the mgm. Who need a hit and fast but manque is health and his faith in news. Failing wants to write a masterpiece wants to write it about america's mangled politics of wealth. The story of charles foster kane is the story. Of william randolph. Hearst the richest man in the land whose newspapers levers of power that influence government foreign policy and social reform manque is in hurst circle gleefully biting the hand that feeds him until the fateful day he finishes the script for citizen kane and that hand is taken away forever finches sumptuous black and white film. Seth in the late nineteen thirties is all about the business of making movies. Dot in hollywood. Golden age dented by the great depression. The threat of war in europe and the politics of california itself and its brave. Who does to make a film about what is often called the greatest film of the mall and to discuss david. Finch's man come join today by tim. Robey if the daily telegraph and the film critic karen cranach welcome to the program. Nice to be zooming with you. So it's nice to get an affirmative geico or something. When i say that because some people just just me the questions so it's nice nice nice to be in your in your capable hands Today tim i'm going to start with us you. This film is very personal. It's it's named. After herman j mankiewicz nickname so justice was home. J mankind well Very major scream. Roy took the early part of the twentieth century. Even though he didn't always get credit for it. Which is paulie what man is about But will say on the many films that he works on when not citizen kane went without any credit available He started out as a as a journalist and drama critic and then was one of the guys brought in in the kind of dying days of hollywood silent era and the early days of sound when they needed lots and lots of words and he was kind of like the funniest guy in the room. Who had always nice to kind of cook up a fun lively false talking dialogue to these films and karen. What sort of university. And i said in the intro blurb that we are in we in hollywood golden age. But it's not quite as simple as that is it. We're sort of in the mid to late. Golden era of hollywood. Where hollywood studio system is very very much in place so so the stars are controlled. Writers are still not not really respected but needed terribly. And the interesting thing. I think at this point in time is we see. This is why citizen kane is so interesting and make Attached to it is as well is because we begin to see the interlinking of power and showbiz of the hollywood. How how would feed us these images and how it also can be politically linked. And i think that. That's one thing that that orson welles citizen kane showed but also that make wants to show the backbone of so. It's just coming out of the depression. They wanted to get people into some people wanted to go to the cinema too so they don't really want to know the the seedy underbellies that are going on. And in the meantime there are personal stories as well as marrying davidson and hearst show and it's an interesting one. Hey with mac. Because he's been the script writer on all these on all these kind of glamorous movies on the greatest of the mole citizen kane but he's kind of seedy character but he's surrounded by clamor. He's great friends with the star the star marion davies William i william randolph. Hearst wife and so. It's a sort of complicated triangle. Tim how we on clear policy this movie. Citizen kane was a series of vignettes montages of power kind of put together What was what's finches technique. What's what's the world that he creates for manque. Yes so the. The kind of notorious thing with citizen kane was the battle who writes eveready They ended up sharing credit. Wilson wells on manx shed credit but this film posits and this seems to be quite verifiable that ready malkovich did work. He was holed up in the desert he was practically chains to a typewriter bed Forbidden his usual treats as usual until things that were allowing him to go to seed because it wasn wells wanted him to crank out an incredibly good script in the three months flat. And all he's got is is type to and a secretary play by lily collins and he just sets about doing it and really the film. Just kind of allows it to be free associative. He's kind of delving back into his own memory. his experiences with hearst with nine davies. We're going back to the present day stuff. We don't get very much awesome wells. Tom book has a cameo mainly down the fine As of checking in on everest every now and then but they only really have one argument about the credit right to the end so the film slightly sweep that aside because it's more interested in in the screen rights as often the imagination the hebrew to the whole project oli days. He pulled in and i'd say as an example of the screen writing. This film itself is pretty great. Dead venture dad. Jack wrote in the nineteen ninety and ever since venture has been waiting for the right time to make it. It was going to happen with kevin spacey at one point. Monica think and jodi foster but that never came to fruition. And but now we get version which i think despite some with age issues with the actors which i think quite minor gary oldman twenty s to be paying that matters i feel as that. This is the ideal version of nine inches. Nice to give us. Yeah on its yes. It's wonderful thing. Karen you how did how did mention that. It might be a risky thing to do to make a movie about the making of maybe not the making off but this is the writing of the greatest movie of the mall. This does david friendship. Pull it off. I think if you know the back story if you're interested citizen kane you know the backstory of that you know about david fincher father or any of his work. Then it's going to be of interest. Now if you come to this with no interest at all in the golden age of hollywood fisk. There really isn't going to be much here for you because it's going to be a story about some guy. Whose hair is he's losing his hair and he's laid up in bed most of the time it's black and white all the women look great but he looks kind of a mess and you just think what the heck and then. There's some party scenes. you don't know why. Who are these people. Wise charles dance here so it can be very confusing unless you've really clued up and i think what's interesting. What tim was saying there were some discussions about the age differences between Tim burke and then also gary oldman playing characters. I mean they're much older than the characters. They're supposed to be playing. Is that when you were well. I mean i'm a lot older than you guys. But when i grew up watching these old movies that my mother told me to watch used to think wow these people are really old and now i look at him i think. Wow they're really to all these parts. Because everybody in the golden age of hollywood really young twenties thirties and now they're being paid by people in their forties and fifties or forties and sixty s. So i think is a bit of a trick of the light but i think ultimately this is a. It's a tour de force for fincher for the film making process. But i don't think it's for it's not to hit the same mama mia audience. Let's put you talking about a safe. Read i guess as marian davies who looks amazing. She's absolutely wonderful. By the way by the way she wasn't married to hearst. That was one of the. Oh yes she was the mistress. He was just his he. She was just his golfer. Yes okay fine. Opera singer anne kane right if you believe but the thing is the thing that that that was that people didn't realize that married david wasn't able to actually show is that she was a very gifted comic actress and she never really got that chance. Yeah so we've mentioned under safer. You mentioned. gary oldman. Let's run through those performances. That start with. Gary oldman tim what kind of she said he may. Maybe looks a little bit old. Although he is he's he's a boozer with the constantly kind of sunken eyes and all the rest of it. He plays it pretty well for me. what what do we think of gary oldman's mac. I think this is a tour de force. I would say the law of kind of text driven and in. I wish she had not won his oscar for a plank. Churchill in darkest ala which feels like a much haniya more cosmetic kind of type of big performance than this. I wish they waited. Because i think this one has a lot more these out a lot more tuesday. I'm so glad that he goes play. Maggot is all the scenes. Where he's just kind of languishing in bed. Far enough rep polity and very very well written reputa- you really have to kind of keeps you on your mom this it so much dialogue. It's very quick i think jap Is trying to live up to that. Spirit of the false tolkien comedies of the thirty s in his word by about was also ready so impressed with manda. Safer eight. a much. More than i've ever been before. I think she really brings it off womb to the character of marian and they have they have probably five or six scenes together to them and they are the most special scenes in the film. I fail that. The scenes weather script goes deepest. And there's this strange platonic semi platonic friendship between them which develops really nicely has great payoff And there's a sadness to because of course. The act of writing citizen came kind of betrayal of that friendship in a sense because he's not zone does character as this sort of hooked us failure in a way And even make didn't intend that as a fully realized a Of marian i think it was taken that way in the industry So there's a sort of sense of melancholy to that friendship In a way But i love them both. And i really think it's all about them Some sort of solid supporting turns like tuppence middleton. He plays a humming Nights at wife the Poll sara yes posts era. She's constantly cooled. Poor sarah like such she But really for me. It's about those two I think that when when they were on screen. I find it quite mesmerizing and i take karen's point that it's sort of a bit of an inside baseball. He kind of film in a way. But then if you compare something like fussy village on the tv shy fantastic shy. What mean anything. Anyone who doesn't know who. Bob fosse open now but still You could actually learn from it. An i an an and i'm sort of an into that stuff. I think i like a certain level of of geeking out about film history and film law which gives you. I wanted to mention all howard who plays louis b. mayer of of one of the names above the door. Mgm studios. he thought he was brilliant. Brilliant turn and he's got some great loins says this is a business movies. This is a business where nothing belongs to the buyer. But a memory when he's doing his kind of walk and talk thing and before he says all of his star of his mgm family that they're going to have to have fifty percent pay cuts all the rest of it. He's pretty he's he's alive wire and he's the kind of links opposing in the movie between between the script writer bank and the kind of the machine the hollywood machinery i suppose what did we think of all is how it is as louis mayor yet and i. I liked him a lot. And the scene that you just mentioned where they to take the pay cop. Trump's at something made me realize uncanny lockdown fell. Mrs you've got you've got a writer. Chains was bed unable to leave this hut in the desert for months on end and being forced to just work on this one project. Meanwhile in the industry. Everyone's taking evelyn settings put up with it The kind of the magnates in the rich of the top just getting rich of everyone else's suffering and that feels like exactly that has been happening in countries around the world Which makes it kind of way. Today is coming out this year. I've found. I also really liked chose don's who has a few scenes as i am. As a couple of lavish banquets heathrow's wasted of quiet beholds And sort of sizes everyone in his company right a an ultimate he sizes up manque But it's a great. It's a great imperious chelsea. Don's turn i So yeah there is a wealth in supposing cost to a Current out what took about the sets. And things i mean we are recreating the most glorious kind of hollywood you can imagine scrub sumptuous black and white. Mri blurb what does this film look and feel like to to you. I think it's beautifully done. I think it's very evocative. And i also think that fincher has a reputation for wanted to get things precise. Oh of course the research is going to be absolutely spot on but also that means the costumes are are identical. The the the costume party at the toward the end We're we're make comes in and throws up on the floor. I don't want her spoiler alert but the costumes that there were actually taken from a report in variety exactly spelling out what they were wearing. So i think it's very precise it's very evocative. I was frustrated. Because i don't know whether it was filmed on location or not. But i think it really does evoke if anybody's been send simeon or or the hearst her smashing hearst castle You'll you'll know what it's supposed to look like. It's supposed to look like the sets of citizen kane basically and i think it really sums it up very well including the desert. I thought the desert was very effective as well. So it really does give you the setting and the feel of this kind of. I don't know you get a sense of so many other films. Almost like chinatown with this kind of raw burgeoning. Something is about to change feeling and even though it's in black and white which is no maginot to citizen kane. I mean fincher fought to have it in black and white I think it's it's even though it shot on digital it's scratched and and and handled in a way that supposed to look like it's on film. And that includes the soundtrack. So i think the design of the film overall is very compelling it just the cigarette burns thing in the corner. Doesn't say use to see the change of reels happening every twenty minutes even though as a digital phone has no need to do that as a bonus. I guess i'll get a good notice. I like that tim. Yeah that's that's great. Well there's also a movie. It's risky making movies about making movies. I suppose that's that can go horribly wrong An especially with something of the magnitude of citizen kane. I suppose but there's also movies within this movie I'm kind of referring to to talk about the kind of newsreel quality. Some of the politics in this quite interesting again. If we're talking about it being strangely accidentally timely may may maybe. Less accidental is is the injection of politics or the realization politics in this so one of manx kind of cohorts at mgm. The mi- more minor director is kind of made has has this fake newsreel. To the republican candidate for senator for senator in in california right. So there's all this kind of going on in it as well this idea of fake news even in the nineteen thirty seven nine hundred eighty six or whenever this is set. Is that kind of tim. Does that sort of ring true to you. You're actually loved that stuff in the film as much as anything else Wasn't expecting it. It's is all about the nineteen thirty full gubernatorial election in california. Where upton sinclair was. The sort of socialist candidate was defeated shelley. Cough is this friend. Who's direct to this This kind of propaganda video for the opposition. And it's something that is of causes great pain to what's this process happening and another directors kind of roped into feed machine and you have characters like Cells may can the other. The other studio had to kind of wittingly collaborating in this new be married. She the worst offender of the ready in this respect Very much on the political opposite. Extreme from mack and they sort of tolerate each other's company but it's quite tense them and i i like to the sense of this absolute divide in california which is still the case may in california can swing both ways And this was written in the nineties it was true. Then it's true now. I think this let's go stuff in america. The seem the jack finches found that It will actually make this film kind of give it off life because it pulls back as a big picture about About the the culture that came camel cannot overnight. Yeah louie b. Mayer says at one point movies. Don't send messages this studios and makes movies that send a message if you want a message sent style up. Ups or whatever he says right karen as a as an american yourself. Did you fund the of all sister. Tim and i've found it pretty effective. This the kind of political elements in this film. How did it. How did it sit for you. It just well as an american we we kind of know this is going on and we know that is. It's not a revelation. And and i think i think americans are quite cynical when it comes to politics and and also About what what it takes to make the entertainment for the masses. And i think it's hollywood. That's that's the art of hollywood is the fact that it it can create this glittering carapace that covers up all of our skepticism and cynicism and still make entertaining make our our forget the bitterness for a couple of hours but i mean make does have a lot of bitterness in it of people that go on credited people who who throw temper tantrums like wells does and gets their way of of oscars being offered nominations being offered and only one award given. There's a lot of rancor that make that makes work that's really interesting. You mention that a temper. Tantrums of awesome wells karen. 'cause there's a scene at the end of the film which echoes when he smashes up zenit. You know certain wins in xanadu and all the rest of it. So so mankin. An olsen wells have have a have an argument about ownership of the script or credit for the script and and and well stripes out and man of course turns to his notepad goes. That's what the character needs. Active purging violence. I thought that was wonderful. So there were moments in this film that there was one shot that is exactly the same as his cane. Which is a long shot of manx. Walking out of bed. One day and walking down It's a long shot of of of his house. But there is a lot of conaco to the original thing. Guaranteed you kind of. I like this. I like trying to sort of spot. The spot the similarities between the two. But it's it's a nice for me. It was a nice mix of kind of of a bit of spotters guide. But not a nerdy thing. It was trying to recreate citizen kane. I think that would be wonderful to watch them. Side by side or one after the other one before the other. I'm not sure which one. I'd wanna watch i. It would almost be like watching the two versions of of psycho or something like that together but what was intriguing to me was the similarities between the historical. I mean what we consider to be fact of the story and what was being in the script and that's what really interests me. Oh they actually said that her exactly wearing those those outfits and you know. This bit of dialogue was real. I think what's interesting is that wells actually fell out with his writer. Houseman and at jason's was throwing hot dishes at him. Apparently and i think that wells was often throwing this little temper tantrums. I hope trump didn't learn from him but It's this trying to trying to deal with this narcissism and this narcissism on both sides really bank has his own ego. And you know it was terrible with the money Love to have a drink. And really i think the two coming together was incendiary and it turned out you know quote unquote the greatest film of all time. Maybe it's maybe it's better off having done another twenty years of just station that see this film. It may might have benefited so near the top of the film. Tim mack says you can't tell the story of a man's life in two hours all you can give us an impression and he's talking about citizen kane the writing of how how. How do how does fincher do. Does he make an impression on more than that. In in our allotted couple of hours. I think he makes a lot of impressions. I think there's a lot crammed into this film. Is what i will say and i think different views will take different things from it and find different things interesting about it is kind of grab bag And it's sometimes quite bewildering. But in a way i found exciting to watch. I never quite knew a direction that the intrigue was going to twist it next because the politics takes over for a while from the screen writing and then they feed into each other And then their friendships at stake and allegiances and hostilities between the lowest of these characters There's a real film and going on here and it just puts you in an exciting place in thirty s hollywood wet. All of this was happening an i. I'm very much infighting again. I i actually saw it. Then what citizen kane a non gonna watch again. I think that's a good sandwich today. because you get the best of both worlds that way The unfamiliar pretty exhilarating. And i think probably my favorite fence fell at least since the social networks i. That's ten years ten years ago. I think probably has more in common with zodiac A few years before that Because of a sense of kind of time stretching and this project then extended on an lives drawing away from each other as well which you get a lot of idea. Ready good and really. I mean justified justified. Every bit of faith vets vinca had his script. His dad died in two thousand three means. Unfortunately we will probably never know how much of the research he put directly into the script and how much was his own invention. Yeah it's it's amazing. It's amazing thing. Thanks for sharing the fast on. Manque from david fincher. Now tim. you've chosen the two thousand and two spike jones film adaptation. What made you think this as your further reading. Well i was thinking about the ways that screenwriters tend to be a depicted as heroes if you like in in in films in a few pops into my head. That was the very bad film of trombone arab. All no like that. And that was that was baltin. Think the coen brothers but the one that the one that really sticks with me. I think his nicholas cage is double performance in in adaptation as both charlie kaufmann Of the version of charlie calvin the genius screen rights and his worst nightmare version of himself. Don't old who is his twin brother in this in this fell. This is the second collaboration between kaufman and spike jones of. They've made angel malkovich. And it's dizzying -ly meta fable about the difficulties of being a writer in hollywood rarely and the difficulties of grappling with you'll material and trying to kind of make work you work for what commercially. What for the studio b. Something that anyone might won't see an order. These anxieties cloudy plague. Health lands in every waking moment and i think screaming winds is depicted to use the the. The dish has kind of nourishes. If you like that. That's that's the that's john to to arrive in in in boston. Thank and it's also. It is nicholas cage in adaptation with his kind of frizzy hair in a sense of nearby. Says he's never seemed more anxious than he doesn't that film Especially as While his brother donald is the hack who writes these terrible gimmicky thrillers which managed to get much feather along the lines. Being green. let. Charlie is is being the the paint intellectual Radi trying to pull his his his blood and guts sir into his work that no one's buying it really poignant try of that particular predicament blend. And probably the last really great nicholas cage performance the last time he got an oscar nomination and and rightly si- So that double woman's. I just think you can go back to that film again. And again how the kind of crazed of gets especially to see him. I love baking up nicholas cage. I was intrigued to was amused to read anthony lane in the new yorker writing about sean connery just after his death. And so he's a. he's a congo. What the film was it. might be highlander. Or something and sean connery. Just looking at nicholas cage is is to say why you trying so hard which this case does try hard but it also gets results other no. It's controversial love to hate and mandy. Come on that's karen now switching it up a little bit for you. you've picked none other than sunset boulevard. Talk us through this one. Yes i did a cheap shot for me. I'm afraid because it is it is a guilty pleasure. I think mingka's also guilty pleasure. I love the fact that tim picked adaptation. Though that's incredibly insightful. And also i might just draw differences between european actors who are subtle and american actors. Who are not and. I'm sure there are exceptions but necas cages vary american. But what. I what. I love about sunset. Boulevard is what we didn't know what gave us to are innocent is. This was the end of the silent era. And and also the underbelly of how hollywood feeds on itself and also sparkling black and white. And there's an neuro to really really appreciate sunset boulevard. You need to know your film history. And i think the same with manque the more history. You know the more backstory. This the more you're going to enjoy it beautifully said. Thank you karen. Thank you both indeed. That brings us to the end of today's show max out this friday. Four th of december or net fix. Or if you're in london you can check it out. The prince charles theatre. Thank you to my guests. Tim robey and karen cranach and monocle and culture is of course produced by holly fischer join us at the same time next week but until then for me robert founds. Thanks for tuning in.

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502: What Does Case Acceptance Really Mean? With Michael Lomotan and Kevin Rossen

The Dentalpreneur Podcast with Dr. Mark Costes

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502: What Does Case Acceptance Really Mean? With Michael Lomotan and Kevin Rossen

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It's time to decrease your stress increase your profitability and regain your passion. Now. Introducing your host, Dr Mark Kostas. Hello everyone. Welcome to another episode of the dental podcast. I'm your host, Dr Mark Costas. Well, good news guys, a metric geeks are back on today's show. We have Mr. Kevin Rawson who is the founder and owner of divergent dental. We have Michael Lamontagne a fellow metrics. Geek analytics geek, and then myself today today, we're gonna be talking about case acceptance, and this is one of those things that has some people scratching their heads as far as what the true definition of case acceptances, some people like to know when the first procedure is actually scheduled and performed from a treatment plan. Some people wanna go even more in depth and talk about the percentage of dollars that were actually accepted in a case presentation so Kevin because he has his fingertips in. Entrenched in data all day long took a sample size of two hundred practices over three hundred twenty eight thousand patients analyzed, and he's got some new really really interesting data when it comes to case acceptance, first of all how you doing. It's been way too long since we've been on the podcast together. Yeah. We've been you know, not disappeared. We've been heads down in in actually, actively DS identity. So we've been around, but we just haven't had a chance to fully catch up on a podcast them. Glad to be back. This is so is so fine. This is one of the more popular strings of guests that we have and people love to talk about analytics people love to talk about data. And there's no more person. There's no person more qualified to talk about that than Kevin. Because of what you do for a living in the types of numbers that you analyze on a daily basis. So how are you today? Kevin man, doing great two nodes been way too long. So glad to be back and basically had my head down and development, revamping, stuff and tweaking things to make them run more, smoothly and scale as we've been growing. You know, it's been a been a great great while working. But also great to be back on with you, Mark. Yeah, there's blessings and curses to growth. All right. So you basically doubled size this year. And that leaves that leaves you feeling good about your product and your reputation it stellar in the industry, but at the same time it presents certain challenges as far as infrastructure growth and further development of the software. So congratulations. And and I hope that you double again this year. That's my hope. Yeah. That'd be awesome. You know, what what's interesting about being able to look at all these numbers. It's you have a good enough sample sized or make really informed conversations and decisions both from a micro level within a practice. But then also on a macro level looking across the industry. One of the things that really frustrates me about the dental industry specifically with management and consulting type things as that their terms that are thrown out that number one don't have a uniform universal accepted definition of it for the number two. Aren't counted. The same way you can say you can say the word case acceptance in. Six people in the room and five might be thinking something different from how they describe cases. You've talked about that with overhead too. I think case acceptance people track differently. If you're tracking manually you'll it's bound to have some errors and emissions or things added that were incorrect. So for me, there's two different ways to look at case acceptance, you can talk about the percentage of patients saying yes to at least one newly treatment plan procedure code or you can look at the percentage of fees that are being accepted in being accepted. Again, let's define that. Some people say it's accepted once you change the status in your practice management software. And I know some of the authors, you can Mark Otis patient accepted the treatment and for him. I don't care what the status says in the software. I care is scheduled or as a completed, and that's it. That's really what accepted means to me. And honestly acceptance ultimately comes down to they've done it, you know, and they've paid for it too. So Michael thoughts on like death. Finishes of case acceptance. Yeah, I mean, it's the same one thing we have to remember case it separates as well. As the timeframe associated with measuring that metric, and we see it pop number of times both India fan in the open dental. Forums were a how do I calculate case acceptance and people forget that if they say, okay, my case, it's was seventy five percent. Well, what does that relate to you could have one hundred percent cases in one day? But by the time you end the month, you're only at forty percent or fifty percent. So that's when you wanna do this yourself their different ways to do it. It's actually a lot more lung say it's difficult, but it's tedious to do it yourself. I gotta give shot to Dr Anthony dough. So he actually posted in the DNA really cool spreadsheet that he's able to track with, and it it's a very manual process. But you're going to see over time your cases, this will change based on the time from that you apply that metric to. Yeah. I mean, it is one of those tricky things I have. I stumble. When people ask me that question, we typically in my practices, and our group we count a case an accepted case as when a the first procedure is scheduled and actually the patient shows up. So that's that's how we actually calculated. But there's a lot of flaws to that. Because we have you know, a couple pages of people who have gotten halfway through a treatment plan and have stopped for one reason or another. So that really right be a completed case. That's just a started case. So so Kevin tell us about your study of these two hundred practices and three hundred twenty eight thousand patients, and and what it is you found Sherm so defining how're count in them. I the big thing that we're looking at is. When was the procedure added to the patient's chart or treatment plan? So that's what we use. We don't use when it was necessarily presented because that. Is really first of it's a manual entry that would have to happen anyway. And then on top of that it's hit or miss on. Whether that's going to be accurate, but what's going to be accurate is when was it entered into the patient's chart, so I was looking at actually all of the year two thousand eighteen this data's so cross all the practices three hundred twenty eight thousand ninety nine patients that had treatment plan procedures of basically, restored nature. Reserve a little bit of a filter to mix we're not coming like xrays or exams in that type of thing, and we do count Perry while scaling route planning. So that's that's a patient for looking at out of those three hundred twenty thousand two hundred twenty six thousand accepted, at least one thing from that treatment plan, which acquaints to a sixty nine percents case acceptance percents, and that's on the patient level meeting seven out of ten essentially patients are saying yes to at least one thing it doesn't matter. If you told them they need eighteen crowns in one ACLU composite filling and the only scheduled that filling we would count. That as as accepted treatment plan if that was all treatment plan on the same day, simply for the patient. Acceptance cites sixty nine percent is what we're seeing as an average across the industry, which when you hear that number. I think some people in the con- that's kinda low cause some consultants say they get ninety percent case acceptance, and again, I think I might come back to housing's or being counted, or or you know, is is it less trim and being actually entered into the computer. There's a lot of things about that may marked you does that number seem low you sixty nine percent. No that actually sounds pretty good for a lot of the practices that I have the privilege of working with you know, between seventy and eighty percents. We think is pretty darn good. Actually. Yeah. What did I tell you? What's your thought? Michael on on what you strive for in your practice or our goal is seventy percent for two thousand eighteen we ended up at sixty five. So when I hear that number like, okay, wait a minute. What is is that an and that begs the question, what is the industry standard? So we're going to take that call the industry standard. You know? There are things that we need to make a proven Saen but looking at that number. It's even more dismal. When you say, well, what was the dollars treatment plan accepted, and it becomes a much smaller number, then you wonder okay, now wear my at the grand scheme of things here. You want me to relate? Let's do it. So let's see for winning or failing. All right. So this in your twenty eight teen five hundred fifty million dollars in treatment plant procedures accepted as again scheduled or completed hundred eighty million which means a fees. Acceptance percents of thirty two point eight percents. Down. Let's let that sink in for a second. So here's just comment on that for me. Yeah. That seems seems terrible. When you first hear that number like, wow, that's horrible. There's a lot going into that number because this could very well be a thing of how how dream it is actually added a start specifically as a doctor. You might be telling a patient. You've got the option of extraction implant Regina, build up crown extraction bridge. You might put all that on the computer because you're presenting it as options. Well, there's no way patients can accept all three of those. So in that scenario, very well could be thirty three percent is a great acceptance. And then on top of that if you're comparing this baseball hall of fame all time elite player is only successful one out of three times. And if you get if you get a hit one out of three times, you're going to be in the hall of fame. If you get a hit one of four times, you're just another average player in the league. And so for me, the thirty for me, you know, bigger than just even like is that? Hire low. I just rather know like what's the reality? What's the benchmark? Let's use that first and foremost to to use as a here's an industry standard for fees, and then we can dive down more if we really want to look at specific exceptions because that number does vary pretty substantially on a lot of different variables. So can I ask you this question? Kevin. What what do you suggest then say, for instance, I have a patient that is presented and online for full mouth extraction. Say say upper arch full mouth full arch extraction on top for implants. With a bar, and I don't know a hybrid. That's that's placed in there. Okay. So you have a twenty five thousand thirty thousand dollar case there, and they opt for and then also in addition to that there is the option to have full arch extraction for implants and an implant retained denture. So it's removable. So there's a difference in the dollar amount. But everything ends up on the treatment plan. They proceed with the extractions implants and implant retained denture. So obviously, they're not doing the hybrid case. What would you do in your practice management software to keep that accurate? You leave the hybrid in there as unconverted treatment or do you remove that? Personally. I would I would remove it. I would probably check with your state board before you do that. If there might be some legal reasons, he can't. But honestly almost every software even if you delete it from the software end it self, you can still find the fact that it was deleted. If you needed to I don't really feel like you could really get in too, many legal issues. But I would definitely say check with your state board regulations or check with someone who consults on the legal side of that. But from a practical side, I would say the leading it would be the way to hang up. Because other example, would be let's say a patient says they are interested in orthodontics. You present them, you know, whatever five thousand dollar the number. What might be? They just okay. Well, not interested in that. At all at some point. You would probably want to go ahead and to leave that out of their treatment plan because they're not going to do it. So I mean for me, especially in the scenario where there's options, deleting the treatment that is completely irrelevant and never going to be done makes a lot of sense to me, and I will say, you know. In in our practices. Something that comes up often is okay, you have a to that needs a root canal. The there's not going to be a whole lot to structure left. So I feel pretty good about the prognosis of this tooth. If we do a root canal build up crown on it. But you can also opt for a relatively straightforward procedure of extracting that tooth bone graft implant placement and crown on top of that many times in our practices. They say, you know, what I'd rather not take the chance extract the tooth bone graft an implant so that that often happens where they're saying no to the root canal. But they're actually saying yes to a higher value procedure happens for sure. Right. And you know, when I just obviously Mark you're aware and Kevin where I just left like two decade-long career in biotech, right? And part of that was business development sales. And when you look at opportunities one of the most misleading metric look at is the forecast opportunities and often dental when I look at our practice. You look at the numbers. Hey, what's the unscheduled plan? Let's look like total and will say you have I don't know two million dollars in opportunities that you can possibly capitalize on. And that's not real goes into Spacey points direction that you went. We're talking about right now was should you delete it and actually keep a real sort of forecasted numbers you can properly apply resources to practice and possibly close opportunities. But, you know, seeing one point five two million dollar to between the inure sort of funnel may or may not be real. So take a closer look at that. Yeah. Along those lines than Michael is a practice owner and you Kevin as as somebody that works in practice every single day. What is your preference for track? Working are you tracking dollar amount accepted or you tracking. I procedure completed as acceptance. I mean, I only really pay attention to the patient percentage. Because I think that that tells you that tells you people actually trusting to do anything. So I think that's where you base most of the number, and then honestly on the other side of things, I don't really I don't put as much stock in the dollars dollars treatment because he's the dollars accepted, but I do pay attention to the dollar treatment planned for another reason we should have another conversation because that could that could turn into longer than but as far as what number do, I pay attention to for sure the patient percentage. I think gives you a better indicator of lots of things in your practice. And we look at both right. So like him saying, it's important to look at cases epi- rates because you wanna know how. Well, the front desk performing when it comes to treat implants, I personally looked dollars. Because that's where we're gonna make changes on figure out one could be treatment planning better should be divide up ship plan. So there's a higher acceptance. So on what in cases, a higher number makes you feel good that you do. Doing something. But at the same time lower number on the treatment plan accepted. Just makes you want to do you need to change anything with the practice or the waste presented. So that the patient says yes to a larger amount or tries to complete everything in one shot. So it I look at both numbers personally. Awesome. Well, this this was really enlightening. This gives me a little bit more ammo and a little bit better of script to explain case acceptance, there are two definitive ways to do it the way that I track it is I accepted procedure that's actually scheduled and performed. And and the dollar amount is also an important factor as well. But thanks guys. I appreciate it. These things are intended to be short and informational, and as usual you didn't to disappoint. So anything further to add Michael or Kevin before we adjourn on this particular topic. Well, thank you for making geek sound cool again and to be here. Kevin. Oh, you know. I say no your numbers, whether you didn't manually or using a service like divergent just case, except it's one of those big numbers. I think everybody should pay attention to because of how much it can impact your bottomline of production collection. Yeah. You know, there's there's standard KPI's where we're looking at expenditures for each line item of the PNL calculating overhead and then we have production. We have collections we have production collection ratio. We have new patients, but then there's certain things that are very cumbersome to track like attrition rate. Like case acceptance like reappointment rate, those sorts of things aren't super easy, and you have to do a little bit of digging in your practice management software. If you have an affordable solution to tracking those that gets kind of shot to you every single night. I really believe that the convenience of that is worth a minor expense. So that's why like divergent so much and this isn't intended to be commercial. But that's why I give you so much airtime. Kevin I really really. Believe in your product. I thank you so much. All right, lazing, gentlemen, like Aloma tone and Kevin Russian. 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Do You Really Need to Write 1890 Word Blog Posts to Rank on Page 1? | Ep. #836

Marketing School

05:41 min | 2 years ago

Do You Really Need to Write 1890 Word Blog Posts to Rank on Page 1? | Ep. #836

"Get ready for your daily dose of marketing strategies and tactics. From entrepreneurs with the guy and experience to help you find success in any marketing, capacity. You're listening to marketing school with your instructors, Neil, Patel, and Eric SU. Welcome to another episode of marketing school. I'm Eric SU and I'm Neil Patel. And today, we're gonna talk about if you really need to write eighteen hundred ninety words blog posts that is to rank on page one in general. There's a lot of bloggers out there this I believe came from Brian Deane. I'm pretty sure it did and Brian's amazing. He's a good friend of mine. Do you know him as well? He's a nice guy. And this is just research that he's did Brian is not saying that if you don't right. Eighteen hundred ninety word articles that you won't rang on page Google, a lot of people believe that continents kingwood just true. But they believe when they're saying continents keying that you need word count or else, you won't rank all, but that's a big mitt Google looks at each industry separately, for example, if you're in the travel niche, Google doesn't want you to create five thousand word articles because more people wanna see videos and pictures. Than they wanna see ten thousand word articles describing place. They may wanna see reviews of people if you look at Tripadvisor, they rank extremely well. And they don't necessarily have tons of words of tax on each and every single page. So I think if you're starting out let's say you're starting from ground zero longer form content is these are kind of in the last couple episodes. We talked about, you know. Why would you even new blog posts generate sales? But what you're doing with the blog BOS you're trying to generate your foundation, right? You're trying to create a foundation where you can collect lynxes blog posts, they start to ranked number one does are going to get more links as it's going to help your domain authority, go up as a whole. And then what's going to happen afterwards? Is you're gonna have an easier time raking number one for new types of content. So the question is do need eighteen ninety words starting out though. You don't initially, but it's it can help, but don't write long form content just for the sake of writing long form content. Now, this type of I mean, when you do eighteen hundred ninety word posts, what you see is that it's longer form people find that it's more helpful. And then you what you've done is. You've created a link -able asset, right? So what I would say from there is once you have that going. Maybe you don't need to focus so much on long form content. Maybe you can focus on upgrading, right? Maybe we can focus on link building as well. There's a bunch of different things we can do to help ranked number one, maybe even create pillar content. Like what Neil has if you go online marketing. Post on quick sprout where he has what fourteen chapters from one post. That's how he's created such a powerful thing. Call it a contra cluster or a political or even like a mega sword. If you're in the BB industry typically longer as better doesn't mean you need to be eighteen hundred words could be ten thousand could be five hundred you just have to look at your niche, and how competitive it is if you're in the beat a C vertical a lot of times, you don't need as much length reason being as consumers don't always want to read, you know, ten thousand word posts industries like health or nutrition. Yes, they do like long form content. But you need to look at the vertical. What I recommend doing is. Instead of saying, hey, you need eight hundred word content pieces or blog post, Google, the terms you wanna rank for look at the top ten results look at their word count that will give you idea of what's working. Well, and it doesn't mean that just because they wrote long form content that that's what Google looking for and said look at their comments look at what people are love from the site. Ask people survey, whatever. Or maybe you can post out on Craigslist to try to get more serving or feedback or you can use tools like user testing. But once you get this feedback, it'll give you a good understanding of what type of content create and how long it should be. Actually, the rings of a really good point. There's no need to reinvent the wheel. You can use a tool like SEM, rush or or h refs to take a look at the top ten results. Right. And what's going to show you it's gonna show your table. It's going to show you approximately the you're gonna see the number of domains that each site has linking to it. So you can see the links and you could click on each one and see what the trends are. Right. If everybody else is doing like three hundred word post, you'll probably be able to get away with one an H rest, their keyword difficulty tool will show, you approximately how many links you need to get into top ten. I'm not saying it's completely accurate. But it's at least a form of reference that you can go with and then you can feel free to use Brian Deane skyscraper Technic if you want which is writing lager from content or like, I said, you might not even need to. Yep. That's it for my in downtown LA. But you didn't start it. Oh, yeah. Okay. Let me start it. We are doing a live event in downtown LA. All right. So this event if you is want to attend it's free. You got to go to marketing school dot IO slash stats free food free information whole day event. 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Ross and Carrie Become Exorcists (Part 4): Readings on Rock, Sex, and the New Age

Oh No Ross and Carrie

2:15:17 hr | 2 months ago

Ross and Carrie Become Exorcists (Part 4): Readings on Rock, Sex, and the New Age

"Hello and welcome to owner. Ross rawson carry the show where we don't just report on fringe science spirituality and claims of the paranormal. Bud take pride ourselves. Yup when they make the claims we shop seed on half to i'm ross. Blocher kerry poppy. And we're back to tell you. More about bob larsen and not necessarily his international school of exorcism shared it come up because kerry had a delightful ideal as time that we mix it up a little bit because we have so many. Bob related things to talk about so we talk a bundle school then. We talk a bit about his books. Let's say his his story his story. Exactly if you're just joining us and you haven't been with us for the last three episodes go back. You're gonna want that context. But i welcome welcome welcome to jurassic park. There's only one way to finish it. Actually also here welcome to the past lives pavilion from defending your life. Oh that's right. Which i have now seen. Oh good it's great. We're talking about the albert brooks so good and meryl streep yes. I'm not usually that big a fan of i'd say that's her best role. Come at me come and carry winter or directly by an email but not on our website. Because then i'll also get it. I don't wanna see it. I'm with donald trump on merrill's got one thing right. yeah that's my one trump. Got this right stormed clock and all that anyway. Bob larson is an exorcist. And he's been doing it a long ass time. Yeah is he keeps saying in this book. I'm holding nearly four decades. Okay that makes sense ya so he goes back. This was written five years ago. So up the book by bob large bell he goes back to like before i didn't even know their humanity existed this far back that like the seventies i know. Oh yeah we played a little bit in a previous episode a clip of him talking about rock music and wanna say one thousand nine hundred. Sixty nine into the sixties. That's curious sixty nine. Every time she runs into it. I finally listened to the rest of that. And it's so funny. Because he punctuates his little thoughts on how rock music hypnotizing the masses with his own guitar playing. And it's just so frenetic in unstructured but it's like hey. I kind of know what the chord progression is supposed to sound like an now just kind of like. I don't have never around then wait for everyone to clapton. Club craft club yet another person making ads for the list of people who seem to have been a failed musician who became an entertainer through being like a motivational speaker or a minister. Yeah i think of claude boral. Hone your wral charles. Manson right. it's a thing. Yeah oh yeah. It's a whole thing. L. ron hubbard. Even his hand music later in the game. But oh you got to hear his singing to wild. The guy from ac not herald but paul twitchell which also had. Oh yeah oh but we heard So good joy. Phone can car for those who others to hear. Hitler was failed painter. Like sometimes you wish someone had found success. Oh yeah yeah like. People just been like hitler. That is such a good painting. You should stick to just that. That's going to be my new like time travel mission so that have killed baby hitler just maybe learn his paints not even that i'm going to go to the vienna art academy let him in like okay. It's bland it's prosaic but letterman but what if he becomes just like more narcissistic as long as it sticks to postcards ing and political aspirations. Yeah sure fair enough okay. Cool come back the presidency. What i did to the world. of course i will have never been born. Plan will disappear from the little photo that i will be carrying up be like i'm getting semi transparent. Keep making this podcast but just every humanitarian pause for like two and a half minutes. Oh i see that good point. Wow you are so smart. That's what happens when you mess with the time. Loop bats what happens ono and carry all right so still be calling yourself. Ross blocher. oh yeah for sure. That's my name so wouldn't i. What do you what do you got some bubbler books. Thank you for asking garages for pregnant. This is alon earth a sobering view of what. Satan's up to okay. And i'm excited about this cover. It's very seventy s. It's so yeah feels like something. I would have found on an lp in the seventies there's a lion there. Okay here's here. Here's what we done god. I think it's mostly astrological symbols so we've got a lion crab. The gemini twins tourist the bowl aries the ram and men. What looks like the loch ness monster. Is that one of the sodium cold coca cola signs that must be pisces fish fish. Wow yeah this is fun. It's this kind of cool. loopy line. Art that drawing style from the sixties and seventies where it was like. We're on lsd and we need to show you a cartoon of it and it's primarily warm colors yeah. This is good artwork. I'm going to take a picture. Okay all ross. Takes a picture. I will just give you a little hint at what's to come. After i tell you about how on earth you're gonna tell me about the book you're reading and then we're going to close out with rock practical help for those who listen to the words. And don't like what they hear so we will finish on the evils of rock and roll. Stay tuned folks. Oh yeah that essentially sounds like the a book version of the lecture. He was giving and share. That's right he's got his photo on the back of hell on earth and already interesting. He's combing his hair over. Maybe he was maybe he was starting to lose the point interesting. I think that was just the luck. It's like a very square. I'm going down firmly on the side of covering for hair loss. Could very well be. I think he looks like my friend. Kevin porter from good christian fun. No okay there. But i sent a picture to kevin porter and he didn't seem to appreciate the comparison interesting. I don't know there's be. Bullets complementary to be compared to and others. Who i guess. It's not. Yeah all right. I mean it looks fine now to you. Had this once right where you told someone. He looked like william h macy and he was not happy. I needed so upset. And i would say that to compliment. Thank you bye thought so too. And then you're in this position he like. I think he's attractive. I guess. I think you're attractive stranger. Yeah it was the guy that i was renting a rental car from. So don't wanna be like what i'm saying is your and i got a car now. Let's go drew is with me and afterward he was like yeah. That's objectively not a compliment. Okay really so then. I started running by him as this one. Okay this one. I think most people are attractive. Anyway so the book hell on earth a sobering view of what. Satan's up to are. You sobered now. I am so sobered. It's a good sized book. see i know. Page count is important with bob. I'm gonna guess two hundred thirty two pages. Okay let's see. I think you're a little over two seven. Okay yeah so who. Just full of gems. This is from nineteen seventy four. That's the year my sister. jennifer was born. Oh happy birthday. Jennifer thank you. What's her birthday july ninth. Whoa so close to me. A fellow cancer the crab. I know that. Because i've heard of astrology. Which is dealt with in this book. So boy there's so much good stuff in here us. I've been trying not to text you about like what's in here so you got me excited. Okay something good in there. There's a lot of good stuff. Okay so i up pretty near the beginning of this book. He says that in one thousand nine hundred seventy four when he was riding this we have now entered what i firmly believed to be the final generation before the return of christ o k. How many bob. How many generations have there been. So i kept thinking about that. Okay nine hundred seventy four. I just said my sister was born then right now. She has two daughters who are in their late twenties. Yeah so it seems already wrong bob. He didn't give in times date that always shoot in the foot. He declined to do that in my book as well. But i feel like you can only say you're in the last days for like you can get away with it for like twenty years and then i'm like you're done. Yeah it was not the last day so it's kind of unfortunate when you put it in the name of your church ladder true. That's true he made the case that one of the predictions for when the letter days will come was fulfilled by the six day war in nineteen. Sixty seven okay. We'll have a little bit of mirroring in this book. Written thirty years. Okay found new new signs. Wait forty years later signs of time then a page twenty. We have five rules for avoiding the occult. You want to hear the top five rules. I i've been breaking all of them. Okay let's see. Let actually let me see which ones we should ride. The opposite book like the five ways to embrace the coal. We've only done for the five. Okay i think. I think well you told me on the fifth number. One never allowed anyone to hypnotize you. Number to cease recognizing halloween a holiday. Damn three never visit a haunted house. And he specifically says i'm not talking about disneyland out a place with the reputation of hunting. Oh no before never visit a fortune oops oops and five. Never engaged in any form of levitation such as table lifting or other supposed- transferring of mental powers into physical energy. I mean i've tried. You tried to advocate a table. Sure who hasn't me count. Think i've ever tried anyone who's watch star. Wars has tried moving lines. But i have yet to see anyone actually do it. I guess transferring mental powers into physical energy. Maybe dowsing rods account. That sure doesn't like dowsing rods. Well all i know is if anybody can actually do that. There's two hundred fifty thousand dollars for you. He explained that. Yeah the g. The center for inquiry investigations group offers a two hundred fifty thousand dollar prize for proof of claims of the paranormal transferring mental energy into levitating objects counts. You'd hope that Okay so we g boards. What do you think good bad indifferent. I'm going to say. Bob thinks red interests like most of my family. They're still very worried about. Did they know you. Own one wonders if she can put it up to make my mom uncomfortable. Okay here's an interesting fact about. Would you boards. Actually it should put your sisters and parents at ease a believer who is living in fellowship with christ cannot get the plant chat on a ouija board to move They can push it. But nothing's going to happen. It's just gonna stick their. I wonder if bobby would still agree with that right. Because he has his whole thing about how christians can be possess asked Okay yeah i'm just curious. We need to add that to the list. Would bob agree with that now. Yeah i have to ask him if ever get sit down with them whether he still believes them. Mostly from this book explains why in order for the counter to glide across the board. the one who's fingertips are placed upon. It must take metaphysical. Step of faith surrendering himself to whatever. He defines the unknown force of the board years on. If he were to ask the we g board for the source of its power. It would spell out demons. Devil lucifer beelzebub satan or something equivalent. I have discovered this from having councils with scores of people who've used the ouija board and inquired from it as the source of its power. The answer has always been the same will least now. We have a reliable way to test whether someone saved. Oh good point yeah. That's like a witch tested actually works. Oh really useful. Or it's the ideo motor effect. Take a pick interesting if you have one. You should burn it or break it but you should know that you may find that you can't get the ouija board to burn until you have renounced it in the name of jesus. Oh don't just like burn it and then you're like oh shoot. I can't pronounce it. It's gone you know like it won't burn. You'll find that it's just impervious to the flames. That is also eminently testable. I know right a lot of these like oh you must have been sincere because this would be so easy to test. Do you think this out. Yeah before you said it just for the record because people who listen to our ouija board episode may remember like a wage board. I have a new one. And it's the first one we didn't like because we found it hard to move the plan chat right but now i have a better ouija board but also we couldn't move the plan chat. Maybe with jesus adds ed okay. That makes more sense now. And when i tried burning it didn't burn. Okay makes sense. Yeah then he just drops. I have several close acquaintances. Who are former satanists and witchcraft initiates. That's how he's got this information. I'm like okay. Some of those people must be public name even one just one and we mentioned briefly in a recent episode. Mike worn key. Who was this guy who pretended to have been very high up in the ranks of satanism and told all these stories and of course then it was exposed later as completely made up by christian magazine. Cornerstone so yeah. I'm highly suspicious of his sources. Totally he has he's telling about the evils of the ouija board he tells the story of this one man who he calls mr smith. You know using a pseudonym who was cheating on his wife had a mistress named gene and he and gene get very involved in the weeds. You board as you might expect. Their life falls apart. And here's one example of how the ouija board just fox them win. Jeans daughter by a former marriage was about to commit suicide. The spirit in the ouija board said through wall writings at this point walls are talking to them all sorts of crazy stuff. Wow okay kinda like god. Did in the bible writing me meet tickle up on the wall exactly like spirits are doing the worst birthday cake phrase and the spirit says talked to me through the wall writings. Then they start talking to the spirit and it's like your daughter's about to kill herself so they call her. She's in tears about to enter life. They're like we love you and she doesn't kill herself. And this is an example of how this is an evil spirit. It was pretty handy when when they needed it. Maybe his argument would be. She wouldn't have tried to kill herself. If you'd been a proper parent not just seeming. The holy spirit can take it in the context of this chapter. It seems to be more just like you know that. A demon is evil because it can predict the future which something only god sean to but in this case you did this a solid. Yeah exactly. thank you demon and automatic writing on. The wall also qualifies as a paranormal claim. Two hundred fifty thousand dollars just right on the wall guys dispirit. Also at one point tells them to read the bible and this is also painted as somehow bad. I'm getting mixed messages. I know. What would bob do if the demon said like an. Please read bob's latest book. He'll write this happens a lot in this book. Where he'll be talking about sending that he has decided is evil and then they'll tell you how it's sort of masquerading as good like okay. But how did you ever come to conclusion that it was evil. That interesting yeah like you mentioned previously like. Sometimes he alludes better. Answers are examples like you could have picked a better example in the eleventh hour. Just drop off like these aren't even the worst things i've seen. We'll give us the wars. What i came here for a terrible talk. And what do you think does he think ectoplasms real fake. I'm going to go with real. It's real also worth two hundred fifty thousand dollars proof of them. So classroom is widely debunked idea that ghosts have this like and mediums. Have this weird vomit. That comes out of them. Yeah it's a the'real substance that really into actual matter. It enters the physical realm and boy the history of ectoplasms long and crazy even our international academy of consciousness. Oh yeah they believed in which was fairly buttoned up in many regards believed actively an echo plaza manifestation. Yeah and we know where it came from. We know the the jokesters who made it up like the people who who has right often made out of cheese cloth wild still buying it. I guess okay bob so now onto astrology. What do you think astrology pseudoscientific or real but bad. Yeah i was gonna say real but evil fair. I think that's what i thought to. He goes for all of the above interesting so he's pointing out whereas colleges get things wrong not really. It's one of those. Like i don't know that woman even if i did she'd be my sister. Okay we're light. it's like you're trying to have it every which way. Oh okay steps. The obvious one interesting. Okay okay yeah but that doesn't apply to me except it could apply to and if you buy. Here's a different way that it doesn't come. He does make the case. That it's pseudoscience says think of it. Man conquers the moon and steps to the stars yet. Many on earth still adhere to that ancient notion that the alignment of the planets and the stars and the sun somehow control the affairs of men on earth them so far yeah right goes on later. The recent voyages to the moon are the result of the scientific method which began in the sixteenth century among men. Who were christians irrelevant. But okay. i'm waiting for. And woman inherits the earth and then later there are many other constellations besides the twelve that zodiac named after and just why the ancients did not take them into account. Isn't certain this does point out. One of the fallacies of this pseudoscience noca- right. Some i'm with them. I'm with them. There are some people born without a horoscope. What about people who lived in the arctic circle. There's no planet assigns then visible. They're like yeah. Ok bob okay. I'm totally with you. I'm even skipping over examples here okay. Then suddenly though the physical mass of stars can have no effect upon the lives of earthly men the demonic spirits connected with them might somehow work in such a manner. Such a theory is entirely speculative as no clear biblical teaching convincingly found in such matters. But here's what may happen. When a person reads his horoscope the moment horoscope is read. Satan employs his most effective tool the power of suggestion the reading of a horoscope plants in the minds. The possibility of a certain happening immediately satan through his spirit demon agencies begins to work behind the scenes to structure events that will eventually fulfill what the horoscope predicted. Then if he is successful and the prediction comes true. You may find yourself saying. Isn't that amazing. The horoscope new. My future no my friend. The horoscope did not know the future. Satan only committed himself to a certain prediction and then by the power of suggestion sought to have that prediction fulfilled. So that you would think it was actually the foreknowledge of the horace when all along it was only the progressive influence of satan upon your life. By what a fervid mind now. If you scrape away all of that could we explain the same effect which is basic psychology. Yeah you were there for four pages roy. Did you need to talk this crap. You set up expectations then you remember later. The ones that came through. Maybe there's a little bit of self fulfilling prophecy. But you don't need to invoke any of these other factors. Some prediction must have persuaded him. Like all can explain that one away. Okay so demons st a horoscope they say that's not real but latch onto it. It's just then. Why isn't all pseudoscience. It's of like an assist where you throw the basketball and you almost get it in the hoop and then someone jumps up like dunks it for you okay. That dunker is the demon. Yes okay and the ball is the horoscope. Yes okay okay. I'm with you. Did you know that the tower of babel. You might think that that was people trying to climb to heaven. Be as good as god or whatever. No no no no no no. It was actually in astrology tower. People were trying to get up there. In order to see the zodiacal signs what wouldn't do horoscope Wouldn't've worked any better than being on the ground. But that's why god was like no no bad and now i'm gonna make you all speak different languages so he come on crime. So astrology is pseudoscience and useless but also very effective but bad nari grew also much of the perplexity and distress in modern life when he was readiness in one thousand nine hundred ninety four was because of the recent eruption in the popularity of astrology. Okay there you go. He must have not been happy about the reagan presidency totally. Oh yeah and he also made the case. That astrology destroys your agency your sense of personal responsibility because you can just say oh. The stars made me do it. Which i mean you demons true. That's true even more. So i was thinking even god like if you believe like whatever will will come true that seems like the ultimate out any invisible force affecting the affairs of men and women and people who do not identify as mentor. Women would fit that bill. So pick your poison bob. Yeah yeah yeah. I mean i think the response would probably be like well these just like influence. You don't have total control nor do horoscopes right. Exactly you're going to give it to one. You whatever bomb anyway. Let's talk about being gay. Yes what do you think is see for it against him for it. I bet he loves nineteen seventy four. And it's bob lars okay. Maybe not so much ono so against. It's such a huge. Oh my goodness. At least he's gotten a little more politically savvy in his later years. He now knows where he can get in trouble. I mean he'll still. It's not like he makes lays down any olive branches to the queer community early days. But yeah i think he wouldn't be quite as bold as he is here. You know what i will say. He really earns the title. Homophobe like scared. Wow long intimated by gay people but one of my favorite parts is that he claims that and this is a bit of a rhetorical flourish but nevertheless with the unicef sexual fashions in full swing and women now wearing man tailored jackets and fly front trousers. It was only a matter of time before fingernail. Polish lipstick and makeup would become part of a male performers wardrobe today. You don't know whether a rock entertainer going to walk out on stage with guitar or a purse. I bet he loved freddie mercury of rock groups that used to pass around a joint before their performance. Now pass around the max factor of the makeup. Take a stick of lipstick. You'd rather they smoke. Marijuana seem like progress. I just love fly. Fry trousers bob. I would just love to get your concert an all male band and they just take lipstick on ply their lipstick and pass it around. Is that laurino factor. It'd be wonderful okay. Then there's a bunch of stuff about how much she hates. Rock and roll will save that for the other book. Win really can focus on the issue right. Exactly let's see he claims there's no genetic basis for a liberty towards same sex attraction. Let's real expert on the and says that twin studies disprove that which is the opposite of. Yeah yup few identical twin and they are gay. You're much more likely to be gave. Oh he says that if you have a gay experience in high school or college but otherwise identifies straight. You may completely erase the memory. Not just because of ordinary forgetting. You may erase it. And then it's just lodged in your subconscious and of course you're going to need bob at that. Oh oh okay. I thought maybe he was encouraging you to lose that memory and move on with your life or he's saying you might have repressed it and i can help you resurface it and then deal with it you know. He doesn't go as far as like. Here's what i would do to help you say if that happens. And you sublimated the memory or race. It you'll probably get involved in pornography or what he calls personal experimentation okon and become permanently hooked then he goes on and reality no one is a homosexual of course sexuality is not a state of being but rather a noun describing an action of erotic attraction to one of the same sex and culminating in biblically. Forbidden sexual practices a. That's wrong bob. But be even if we accept your definition. There are people who do that. Yeah why would you say there aren't. He feels there's some true essence that needs to be unearth. Yeah the reveals their true attraction to women if they're men right i'm guessing he's just picturing men this whole time he asked. There is like a brief nod to like if like he actually says we. We usually mean men and men but they're also lesbians. Fyi but it's more forgivable if they play around right it's adorable so then i mean i'm not gonna subject you to endless. I just liked that as you read all this. I get to look at his little half grin on the back of the book. Says if you're gay you have to like hate your life. That's how you can change literally for the homosexual who detests his life and desires to be free. There's hope for you know it's unforgivable. Maybe maybe they're only upset about their life because of all the pressure from april but great news. He goes on ninety one. No good that. It is terrible. Prejudice to slander. Gay people yeah correct agree but maybe you shouldn't have done it for like fifteen pages regia here. My goodness example. Come you are familiar of course with the story of lot yes okay. So lot was the Nephew of brahim e lived in the famous sodom and gomorrah and so some angels come to visit and all the people in town wants to have sex with them and so he says no have sex with my daughters instead. they're virgins any throws them out to the crowd. And so that's not enough. God wants to destroy the city. 'cause he's like how dare you that was awful. And so then they have to flee and as they're leaving they're instructed. Do not look back. Don't show any relief for leaving this godforsaken place as god destroys them but lot's wife looks back and she gets turned into a pillar of salt than lot escapes with his family lives elsewhere his daughter sleep with him. Really good summary. Those are all the relevant and interesting parts of lots totally so what. Ross just described. Exactly right if you haven't heard the story before might be thinking. I didn't follow that. I don't know what the lesson of that story would be a. You actually did follow it. Believe it or not and be. The lesson is usually taken to be gay. Bad not. don't offer up your daughters to be raped by an angry mob or your mail. Angel guests the bible and especially the old testament is just a series of stories that make you go What am i supposed to take from this and then a passers like. I know exactly what you're supposed to take from it. Don't worry i've struggled with this for fourteen years. I'm going to give you my. I found a way to be okay with it so okay. Here's bob's way to be okay with it. Yeah it got it yeah. So here's his little summary at the conclusion of the meal with these young male angels. The young and old man of sodom surrounded the house of law demanding that the strangers be brought out to them to be sodomized shutting the door behind him. Lott stepped outside to beg. The men not to homosexually raped the strangers inside. I just want to say. I liked it. They're using the word sodomized within the store. Right from which the word sodomise comes from. Yep lot even this is the best the best ross lot even went beyond the boundaries of hospitality to offer the prostitution of his two virgin daughters to placate the men of sodom. That's one way to put it. I agree that is beyond the boundaries of hospitality. Offering your kids up to be rate at least see. Said prostitute but diller pedal. Why you say at least you were showing a little bit of condemnation of the offer. So sheriff's offering to prostitutes. Yes yes yes. There's a there's a little bit yeah thumbs down on. That's true this just beyond the boundary of hospitality opinion. I'm willing to take that stand. And the reason that the world has started to accept gay rights by the way is because the lie of evolution has become so popular. Bob still doesn't believe in evolution or an ancient earth. Yeah oh my god. That's so nuts. He doesn't talk about evolution a lot. But he's made it clear if you places that he thinks the earth is thousand. Roughly six because the theory of evolution makes you think okay then sexuality was evolved and if it was evolved then you know comes in fits and starts and of course there are different variations and so on and so forth in. That might make you think gay okay. What this really proves is evolution's wrong there. You go why are there so many animals that express homosexuality. They're still monkeys. Why are there so many songs about rainbows. They're really just the one. Yeah there's not that many songs about rainbows to now that you're singing. This one kermit reject your premise kermit. Saudi arabia is a lovely song. Though as much as i disagree with it. Oh yeah content. Since i have to admit i pretty sean power frame there see. What is judy garland up to these days. Oh by then she did anyway. Gays need an exorcism and one gay. Who look. I'm starting to talk. Like bob does one girl who needed an excerpt from bob needed an exorcism for being gay. But then it's just like dropped his detail the he also kept a raping everybody in sight. But that's just like to flesh out the story bright. That's not the worst thing you put it in the wrong hole. You're right right exactly. it's just so stupid. That's interesting for all the exorcism. I've seen bob perform. I don't know if i've seen him directly address. Anybody who claims that gay who shares as what they need to have exercised like thought. Once that i might now be inventing it. And now i'm having a vague recollection but it wasn't one i witnessed anyway. I wouldn't be surprised though because that culture certainly. I'm i'm sure there's clever ways to like kind of tangentially refer to it at a distance. Yeah yeah probably just say like i. Struggle is unclean thoughts. Yeah so now. we're getting some real good stories. So chapter five is called rock sean. To start remind you of anything. That sounds a little bit. like radiche. demon exact waste. This is team in. Name's rocco sean rocker. Shaw i thought the same thing already. Oh related starts with rock so this is a story about a man. He refers to as pete he acknowledges that that's a pseudonym and pete's descent into satanism and i have written up the steps that it takes for him to get to becoming the leader of a satanic colts. Pete and repeat were cast into satanism. Pete got exercise. Who has left. I'm so sorry about my friend. Everyone so normally continue so i. Pete tries yoga. That leads into or readings. Mistake makes a jump from oral readings to seances episodes totally so we've got yoga or reading santa's from santa's backs it up a little bit and tries the ouija board. Oh next. He booted shrine. He build a buddhist shrine. Yeah all right. I'm just going to accept that. Then he begins to meditate and to record the ambiance sounds around him while he meditates ends up getting like what we would call. Vp's that's new of ghosts. Then he begins to astral travel then ross is where it really gets bad. He starts redecorating his room with u. v. posters going this is so like jerking back and forth and it was. I was looking for episode suggestions. I really feel like he was writing. This can come up with an idea. And he's just too lazy to like go back in imported in the port in the story when it made sense ross and carried decorate their houses you beaches stairs. I will say this. Those are ugly glow in the dark addition. So glow in the dark. I like stars is up those uv posters that are like black velvet with picture and kirk. I can go with that. I found in highschool a glue that was glow in the dark. And i would decorate various things on my wall share glow in the dark paint and then at night. Oh yeah that's cool an extra show you get. That allowed atmos puppy okay. So he's already astral travel done. Sounds as in the ouija board. Uv posters now. He gets into of all things incense which is bad. Bought makes very clear instance bad. I mean growing up. I thought was bad. That's good then. Of course tarot cards then a huge jump a huge jump to starts at satanic goltz. Whoa well you know. There were quite a few gateway drugs in their insensitivity. So you know what that was more of a glide path than say one you would find in a chick track fair in normally. You'd go straight from like marijuana to starting a satanic cult touche next. It gets really bad. So he has the satanic cult. People are coming to it. It's growing in size and suddenly he gets into gay stuff. No people are kissing at the cult. Is this story. Giving us like an ordinal list of bob's hangups. It feels that way. X is a little worse than wise little worse right z. I i started at the end of the alphabet. Right you get my drift. But then he remembers. Like i should have put some uv posters in there somewhere. Oh well just put him where. Where does that fit. Where does that is that really worse than astral in santa's. Yeah you know what this is before the word processor. So i'm on a typewriter. I'm just gonna put it right here to say that's probably part of part the deal here. Did you find any typographical errors in the book. I found a couple of question you know. i don't think i did. Yeah good job. Done typewriter bob. So reason that bob knows pete story is that he met pete in event. The bob held that was a mask record breaking events and by that i mean you broke your records. There was where my mind i went. Okay you'd bring your rock and roll records in break them. Who holds the world record breaking records again as destructive and pointless as it is. I'm jealous of whoever holds the record breaking record for breaking records almost like a broken record our drug right if we should also record-breaking but when you said when you said that i i had a mental image of bob holding up a record that he's about to you know dash upon. That's what it was and so pete comes up to him and tells him this whole story i i got into yoga. And then it was all readings of in sales boards and the british shrine. And then of course the meditation and that of course they astral travelling. And i see bob listening to that story and just kind of looking irritated like point. But then i'm going to use this. This is copy totally. I picture bob making this all up but as the way really happen. Yeah if it were real. So pete ends up leading this colt. So i'm gonna make this much shorter than bob made it. This is the story but truncated out all this. The organization of a cult finally formed the group began meeting regularly for psychic exploration and a high council was formed with pete designated as high priest only nineteen years of age yet here. He was the sadness leader for a sizable cult in one of america's largest cities which one ball one of them next. The cultist joined hands and danced and chanted around thirty new initiate from a rock album by vanilla fudge. A song entitled season of the witch was chosen for the musical liturgy around around. They danced chancing to the room and to the air around the room. God of fear last light and pain rock sean. Come forth lou. Suddenly everyone stopped and looked at the initiate in the circle. His eyes were wildly dilated and his flesh began to crawl up and down his body. As if every organ inside were being torn into pieces. So as pete telling you all this he comes up at the end. Nietzsche's tells you this whole story okay. Pete looked at the young man before the altern screamed. Who are you. The eyes of the young man stared back with a hellish gays. Who are you pete. Cried and desperation from within the initiates body came the reply. Who did you someone you know who. I called peed answered somewhat terrified. Tell me who are you. I am third only to satan rock shot. I have come that you might learn the voice solemnized than we learned that they had summoned other spirits and sent them away. But we don't hear about those spirits also. You can't be third only to satan. You can be second only to satan. Whose number two. You can't be third. Because satan will be what one into third only hell. Yeah good point just assume there was an unnamed. Second i think there is but that's not only you're right. This is probably not the most importantly. Don't let this you make a good point. There's a reason we don't normally hear the phrase that way now. I'm curious about vanilla. Fudge season of the witch. I loved it. He had to take the name. Vanilla fudge Oh sure yeah stalking while to get started. I'm gonna jump forward. Let's jump forward another minute. Okay here we go true man. Someone spend listening to the doors steetch again. There's westberry day intentionally creepy. Yeah okay so they witness that whole possession people freak out. They run out of the room but for some reason continued to hold cult meetings that degenerate into sex parties and then the new initiates. Like if you really wanna bump this up you know what you do more. Uv posters have gay sex goods. Because pete learns that homosexuality eventually comes into every satanic cult and then bob says this vile form of perversion is satan's ultimate attempt to destroy any remaining elements of morality or decency and turn people totally over to the worship of demons like he really is afraid of gay people clearly. Yeah this is dark sinister stuff. Yeah harmed but then you're timed then things get really bad and they start doing yoga home. He suggests they went up. There came full circle with yoga by suggesting a practice called sensitivity. Yoga sounds dark roof so bob. Here's this whole story from pete. He's like you need. Jesus they pray together. And as he's holding pete's hands like the feeling of it. Electric wire goes through both of them. They're being electrocuted. or something. bob holding another man's hand. Oh touche it goes through both of them. And that tim accepting jesus or that tim having some feelings to shit home. That'd be so sad if that's what it was okay. Then he closes the chapter with this. This testimony stands as a living witness to the power of christ. They can liberate men from a cult bondage. No matter how serious it may be so great as the transforming grace of his love. That pete now has the call to the ministry upon his life and intends to enter full time christian service. The story of his former life is being tragically repeated thousands of times across america but the testimony of his present. Life is also being reiterated by young people who have been snatched from the grip of seat. Oh pseudonym thousands of people are hearing this story. You're right that should be the first thing that he starts with. Let me tell you about world. Famous friend of mine. Mike warn king. I did wonder if it's might work in that. I was like carry. What are you tired nobody. None of this happened but you're right. Yeah every incentive to share that name. It'd be so easy and then also you're handing it over to someone else to defend that he doesn't have someone else that's what it is. Okay we do get some stuff about exorcisms thought i should that before. He was a fulltime exorcist. Correct yeah so one of his bits of advice is almost good advice. He says says page one hundred. One must be cautious in diagnosing any psychic disorder as originating in demon ism if such a diagnosis is wrong. Irreparable damage can be done. Okay on the other hand if demon ism is genuinely discerned through the perceptive spirit of the counselor. He should not be hesitant to for satan's handed demand that he releases victim. You're just going to rely entirely on your leg god-given discernment which is just gonna have the same outcome and then this one took me by surprise. Page one seventy four. I do not believe as some teach that a christian can be demonic possessed the spirit of satan and the spirit of god cannot dwell in the same vessel. I do believe that. It is possible for christians to experience ope prussian especially when they are not in a right relationship with the lord will at least he does now cop to the fact that he changed his position on that. He says that he used to mean that. Okay good good good yeah. He's pretty open about like. I was convicted about being wrong about that alka. Yeah i wonder what name changes mind. Maybe just that. Only christians game to his thing. I guess the last story in this book is about a girl named marsha who comes to one of his events and asks for his help and marcia marcia and he pulls her aside to a prayer room and is just like it sounds like he's really dragging its heels like answering. Hurry keeps talking to other people and kind of forgetting she's there and so on and then finally she's like you know what actually i'm fine. I don't know why. I thought i needed deliverance. I actually don't and it's like midnight so like this girl was have a laugh and now she's like forget it and he's like no. A tactic just gets worse and worse smith leading with him. Like just let me go. I gotta go no then the demon comes out so you get so frustrated. She's like fine. Oh do your thing. He's all let you get this out of my system so you can get out of your sickly. So then the story becomes like and the spirit is overcoming. Her with the sense of fatigue sees she slumping to the floor. But don't worry. I wouldn't sleep. No one of those eight hour exercises now demands. i'm tired. I want arrest. Don't bother me. Just let me be so that i can sleep. He's like oh it's a demon. I knew it only have one way of interpreting. What you just one point. He says he slaps her in the he does say that. It's a light slap. That's still worse than a poster. And then finally okay when this has gone on way too long. And i'm like dude. I'm reading this through your telling of the story and i can still tell even when you're trying to paint yourself in the best light you are clearly the villain in the story but finally as he's just trying to get hurt to like name the demon finally she says my god. It was only a baby. It's body was still warm. I saw move. I know it was alive. My god it was only a baby and he's like what do you mean what you do with the baby. She's like i burned alive and an alternative satan. Whoa okay so he says he. Even he was stunned. My wife and the pastor who is also in the room stare at each other. He doesn't call nine one one which seems to be probably the right thing to do and then oh you mean if she actually done that like she's killing babies it seems like maybe get law enforcement involved. I'm think this is the same story. But i might be completing two stories but i believe she saying all this in a british accent. He then is like one of the ways that i knew that. This couldn't just be this girl. Acting out is that her. British accent was fucking perfect. You guys it was so spot on and she wasn't coming neither are you in my wife. No but the and my wife is canadian. Irrelevant that matters. But anyway i love the thought that like demons have british accents and the canadians. Okay but ross was his wife there. Yeah his wife is there and she's also like how to really good projects. All right see there. You go now. The whole book is cast in a different light for me exactly. But i did learn what one of the most dangerous things you can do to. Accidentally invoke demons is and it's something that unfortunately we have done. Do you wanna guess hold. It is though running through so many things that we've done. I can give you hints. Thanks okay give me an okay. It's described as an impossible physical feet. That's actually an exhibition of heathen satanic power dousing housing. It's even worse if you do it. Repeatedly it symbolizes satan's relationship to fire fire walking walking. Oh i is the people who do it. Multiple times carries looking. Ross walk to classes plame seven times. They'll like. I need to be ready. Bob ever does give me an exorcism like just to list awful things that we've done. Yeah because oh my goodness getty write a book about it. Oh my god yes. He would be delighted though he be another feather in his cap. Yeah when he talks to satan and stuff. he doesn't seem alarmed at all. He seems khalifa. All to me is like oh good material. Yeah tell stories about this hour. So that's the gist of hell on earth. There's more but good read gonna have to go buy it. Yeah thank you that's fun. You're welcome book kerry now that we've talked about hell on earth. I like to tell you about something. More sublime ooh okay and in fact it's called best phoen- oh i've heard about this. This is a must play game. Yes that's right now. I know fiend sounds like demons but these fiends there really the best. They're they're friendly. They're cute they're bugs. You can upgrade them. No x-l-e-a-r colorful. There's like different categories. There's a bunch of purple ones. You can collect look at all my best fiends that are purple out but i also means that are read oh now and green and blue and all kinds of fans. It's a game that you play on your phone okay. It's a free download. It's available on the app store. 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Crystal cave to light is shining through. Yeah it's demonic looking and then in front of that you've got a heart made of cracked stone like if you imagine lava rock but it's got cracks in because there's a sword piercing it and there's a snake wrapped around the lava stone with the sword piercing through it. And it says bob larsen jez. Abell in big three d. letters defeating your number one spiritual enemy. It'd be really funny to very sincerely ask him like so is just about your last name. Then i was reading your book. The spiritual enemy larson jazz. Abell get it. Yeah this up title the title. The title is the rest of the name i like it. I'll look he signed it. He has a terrible signature. That's true okay. So i wonder what kind of snake that is like yellow and black or clearly a poisonous evil snake. Clearly snake experts get at us. But only like you. Yeah that's strange because it looks like the snake kind of disappears here. Like part of its missing Might just be design flaw okay or snake a- or it's got a kink like a hose or something. Oh well we won't worry about that. This is a pretty good at the beginning. We get a few verses from first and second kings because that's where the character gel really shines and shows up in the bible books of the old testament. Just bill is a biblical character. But there's also a quote from the biography channel just bills name has been used for thousands of years to describe cunning ruthless reprehensible women some belief. She typifies evil. She became known for putting on makeup before her death and being a wicked woman burying the league. She put on makeup before her death. She passed around the max factor instead of joint. Okay so jazz abell yes. Of course. Bob always has to tell you how many times something is mentioned in the bible so the word jazz bell shows up twenty times in the grace this but one of them is in revelation so he starts the introduction without one and john the revelator john of patmos who writes crazy book. Revelation is just the craziest book martin. Luther was right. It should have been struck out of the bible because nothing but trouble was on drugs on my god he. He's just so disgusted with anything world. Like kind of like what you were talking about this last book. She showed that same disgust towards any expression of sexuality and so you can hear him just describing the details of soiling and promiscuity with this interest that borders on the rejected and upset that he can't partake in it. Oh itself by right there you go. Yeah so if you read revelation again through that light it might make a little more sense. Imagine that it's like sitting in someone's glove compartments mimeographed exactly so revelations to twenty a message from the angel of the church in fire tyra says nevertheless i have a few things against you because you allow that woman jazz abell who calls herself a prophetess to teach in seduce my servants to commit sexual immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols. Boy it really goes back and forth between alarming and just an interesting right. So that's the latest reference in the bible to gel most of it's in the old testament. So bob says people ask him the same questions all the time just like every time someone meets us learns about the show they say what is the one thing that really surprised you actually as troops better than you thought it would right. So bob's version of that is what demon do you deal with. The most tally cher. He says i get some other common questions. How long have you been doing this. Nearly four decades. This was twenty fifteen. He wrote this book. So i assume that the four-decade mark by now how many exorcisms have you done. He says a weird thousand. You got thirty thousand plus and counting documented cases. Yeah i did the math. If you allowed for forty years that would be an average of two demons a day without stop. Wow so petty casts like five or six thousand people so ride so yeah. i wonder. Does that get counted as multiple exorcisms insanity exercises the same people multiple The answer to that. I am an exactly which we know. Bob is really good at doing. You want someone to write your resume. You want bob on your side. He'll make you sound great. What you really want all around. Have a fair or george king. Who is george king. Who is he so the answer to the question of which demon he deals with the most is easy. Jazz abell isabelle. Yeah now. She's a type of demon though right. Okay okay here. we're getting into okay. Rather see we go. So this is a weird. And i don't think he's sufficiently describes this okay phenomenon because he needs jazz bell all the time most common demand. He encounters he encounters men and women but he keeps casting jessa bell to the pit where jess bells presumably. Gotta stay but then just bell shows right up again in the next person standing in line waiting for their guess what i also have bit. But i'm here and you only castor one person back in line and it's so weird because he keeps saying the demon will see him and say you again. It's like okay. What good is this casting just casting until literally the prison behind that person. I cast the into dave. Dave comes up. Well fuck which is because this comes up with one boy in the book where bill requests like. Just put me into some other person at least and he's like no you go into the pit and then you know whatever actually. I did hear him sort of deal with this in an interview. He said some demons. Go to hell forever. We know that from the bible but he knows that others return and he knows that because jesuits always coming back are unsuitable surburb and yet like he says elsewhere like in our coursework that the demons have to abide by their word as he makes them repeat. These things like i go to the pit. Snack fit like died temporarily. It's the mosh pit. He right back. Is this a clone copy. Obviously many many people all have just bell at the same time so does just bell do double triple or quadruple. I've definitely heard Heard him say that as well as a type of team it's like a collection of denounce. I feel like he just hasn't a sufficiently described how many angels can dance on the head of this pin for me but that something like that so most people when they hear jazz abell day think of images of seduction cleavage come hither glances and sexual fascination. Yeah sure as well but it's also missing. The point bell is so much more. Interestingly jessie belle is a sophisticated cunning and above all religious team in so it doesn't just express itself in sexuality that is part of its province but also it has to do with hyper religiosity. Like legalism yeah. Yeah so a bit of that. Trying to save thyself with works instead of faith here. We go twenty two times as bells mentioned in the bible all but one in first and second kings and we visited the other. This was an interesting statement. There are certain archetypes of that resonate with humanity from other ages. Herod niro attila. Closer to our age. Hitler stalin pol pot but none compares to the dynamic duo of jacksonville and her marital accomplice ahab bold statement. Yeah if i back that up based just on body counts but okay oh wait. Yeah worse than hitler bright. Oh yeah there. Weren't that many people in that whole region. Don't even what you doing. It's it's never worth to compared to hitler. It's rarely worth it to compare to. Hitler just makes you stop and forget. What the person's saying because you're going handler. Wow okay big square okay. So this is an interesting point. Angels are always male. They appear in the bible as male. Okay even though they don't fit onto our definitions of sexuality or not necessarily sexual but they are male almost acknowledging the fluidity of gender therefore it can be assumed that the demonic manifestation of a male demon okay for the purposes of evil feminine form. Okay so bob kind of lets us know all right. We're going to be referring to jess bell as she and her but just know. I've noted that this could seem inconsistent. So i'm just letting you know it's not right well and also it's interesting theological point that even these spirits that appear in are known as female figures are actually mails presenting as female. And you're right says something interesting about baba's view of human sexuality yeah so female. Pronouns employed as literary device referencing the female activity and intent of jezreel fallen angel. Yeah that's interesting that he wouldn't be like maybe this just comes from the people. I'm giving extra systems to not knowing their bible super well and so they're saying she No no no. that can't be at. This is obviously a real demon. Bibo i a girl. Yep that works fits into the chronology of how eve was created after adam. The angels had already been created so up to leave after she was created from a rib before that point. Everything was masculine. Okay sure sure. So he starts talking about a few of the people their stories of interventions. He's had deliverance is of people with jazz so he talks about this one woman that he was exercising and all of them. Just feel like bad. Improv is in general. Like someone's trying to do the yes. And but they don't quite know his lingo and what he wants from them. Yeah yeah so. Bob has this kind of way of filtering. Through their responses and discarding things that don't quite match up with his theological worldview or the terminologies looking for as them purposefully trying to throw him he'll ask somebody who is that in there and they'll be like we don't want to tell you because they're like what am i supposed to. He'll say send will say. Do i detect jesolo in there. And they'll be like he. S we for many years jackson leading. The what does exactly there was a lot of leading the witness in here so yeah every single one of these just feel so tortured even again the way he describes it right till you can sense what was really happening on struggling to help produce this screenplay for him right so this is bad and it was probably thirty percent worse. So here's one woman saying. We've had her bloodline for fifteen generations. This woman has no idea what happened. Baby's blood all sacrificed to me. This is too long and too strong to break there too many of us. We are legion and we own her soul. Don't even get me started. He does admit in here that a lot of people try to use the word legion that he says like. Oh sometimes the demons are lying. That's another thing sometimes the allied purposely throw him off just confirming. Evidence would be difficult to deal with so then he finds later that her father was into metaphysics. He read dark books. Her aunt which is just like books with blue covers and this lady had it coming. Oh yeah the demon tells him. She invited us when she bought that. Tibetan prayer wheel on internet clever. Don't you think she was told. It would bring closer to god. oh wow. Oh but then organise this is another recurring theme is stories of molestation prop. Sorry everybody there's going to be a fair amount of that in this retelling. So be forewarned okay. So at this point he found that she had another personality lurking within her. Okay this associated soul transfer. We'll get to later it's boy. Dsp yeah so. He's finds that there's another person within her named marianna who's much more ancient. And so then the demon says to her but the worst thing that happened to her was her abuse molested at five. I was there making sure it happened. God all too but all and mullick naturally so this goes way back to the time of worship of tall and molokai at the time of the original jazz abell. Oh this is another like total bad improv line. I've told you too much. No one is supposed to know all this especially you also a little padding on the back there. This one went on for hours. But there you go. That's a little bit of that again. He sends her to the pet. So that'll last for long right. Yeah you're i'm looking at the book and you're like twenty pages in so i'm guessing she comes back overseas so let's talk a little bit about jazz bell herself okay. Yeah so she likes shred. You would think so yeah. We're going on the stereotypes right. She's not bad she's strong. that way. yeah and the time of kings probably seventh or eighth century b. c. e. She was the wife of king a bad guy but he did. The worst thing and bob makes us very clear here. This is bad you know. He married someone from outside of israel. Okay yes she was phoenician bad move she comes in with her other gods that she worships and starts to get worship and ashira. Yeah my god. There's so much of that and then tell them north book where it's like. Oh you seem to fear anything from other cultures. Total zena phobia and bob's all four it. So for the first time king of israel had joined in marriage with a heathen disaster was to follow no period this unholy alliance was to be israel's eventual undoing. Jessie bell played the role of political concert. Well by bringing along eight hundred fifty of her all profits to replace the worship your way eventually murdering several jewish prophets. There's this whole story about how ova dia he was. In the employee of the king you was still faithful. But y'all away he hit away one hundred prophets and save their lives. This is also during the time of asia. So he's going to be the big player here. The prophet elijah is going to be his moment to shine. Because he's got to stand up to this awful sensual temple prostitution licentious rituals and infanticide. Oh yeah apparently they were killing babies. And let me hasten to add. We've got one side of a religious battle telling this story we've seen the even today in our political climate. We see people using others of killing babies and eating them. Well it happened back then to this is a definite repeated narrative of like which is and so on. It's like what are the things that we care about okay. Inverted that's what which is like We protect babies. They eat the right. Yeah it's the jewish blood libel and it goes back even further. Apparently i just have a hard time imagining. They're having been a time when people really did actively eat. Babies seems unlikely seems online except for baby animals which people do all the time. Yeah think about that listener. This is an important point and on topic. And then of course god is judging the land for this and so they've had a drought so that's also going on right. Now we learn about. There's kind of a little side plot. Where a cab. Once the vineyard of one of his guys and so he kills him Naboth he okay. He invites them handle it. Yeah he invites him to the castle they have like a great banquet and then he gets some people to proclaim that naboth has spoken ill of the king and of god and he's stoned on the spot and his kids are killed as well. It's like a total red wedding situation. Venues wants his vineyard takes vineyard. It's totally like we're talking about david. Getting rid of your eye of the hittite so he could get bethsheba same situation instead of getting a woman this time. It's getting a vineyard okay. So we've got that going on. It's a woman or a vineyard. I've got a woman. Do you like more than a vineyard. Can i keep the woman and eight. Who would you trade. Kara for vineyard a no okay. Right answer the correct. I mean that is the honest answer. Interesting he points out ironically. Just bill has some apologised today who see her as the first bra burner. A feminist caught unfairly political struggle for control over religion. Listen hardly anyone wants to burn their bra. Like two people have done that ever because you want. Your bra has is useful third. Love if you don't like it. Just wash it and return until person in need. No environmentally friendly does don't buy it in the first place so the key question we must resolve is. This is jess belle. More than curious character shrouded in ancient stories and legend as the personification of feminine sorcery and seduction. Yes hazar evil. Been magnified repeatedly throughout history through her adaptations as other idolaters entities. Such as venus. And diana is just and active agency as a demonic identity seeking do enslave those who yield to her seduction. The answers lie ahead on these pages. Okay that was very skeletal but will fill in a few of the details on what happened between jobs. Abell and ahab an elijah. But at least now you know. They're bad people. They worship other gods so they're bad. Yeah she's bad. Of course so the next chapter is called in any forms and it's about how these spirits are all related of all these kind of bad women. And i was really surprised to see him mentioned lilla. I was thinking that too. Because she's not biblical canonical right. She's from talmudic tradition and kind of the extended cannon. Yes bible adams other girlfriend. Yeah so. I was really curious how he would blend this all together so he starts telling stories from the bible and he's adding his own details just to flesh them out and make them kind of work as a fictional tale. 'cause the biblical tales are always just skeletal and confusing. So he says behind the evil one a hideous presence smirked a taunting. Look that chilled. Even the most hardened ones in hell it was lilith. Hachette sort of sorts of lucifer. An of course we have to say of sorts because can't be a woman not just any reprehensible entity though one the yen to satan's yang true there was only maleness in the divine scheme of the supernatural. All the fallen ones were created way. They had no aspirations to female maleness. It was unknown. But now this beautiful companion known as eve had come forth from adam's side of hell realize that their strategy must evolve so for those of you not familiar with lilith. She's popularly known as adam's first wife before there was a original kind of aborted attempt at creating the first woman but she was bad she was way cooler and that was bad right. Get rid of her. So this cleverly tied together by bob so that you had lilith as being a demon followed already happened from heaven rather of the angels who left solution and you have to wonder. Okay we'll why did god that i kinda cleanup that situation and like. Oh these creatures rebelled. Let's kill them off and finish them before they contain my brand new creation. Humanos scher sure. Yeah no let's let them seduce people the dark side so we can have thousands of years of misery. Fires burning the next town. I know what. I'll do all build a town next to it. Yeah yeah the milk is build a. I turn the milk carton back up and clean the mess right so. I'm not sure what allergies are good anyway. So it was lilith. The concert of state new kinda helped usher in the fall. According to bob and how he's painting this scene but then we're going to see many other forms of jazz abell. And since he says the fall of humanity satan sought to interject a feminine demonic principle into false worship emphasizing matriarchal control over society with various manifestations of female fertility goddesses alcohol. It's feminism and it's bad yeah right so very clearly. The implication is yeah. We shouldn't be the figureheads right and you have these spirits and they're called different things in different cultures but they're all part of the same tradition. That is trying to tell women. You should actually have a say in things. That's so just bell may also be known as istar to the babylonians. Okay or maybe a not from the canaanites. So these are just like manifestations of jabil ask torres from syria and phoenicia diana from the romans and artists from the greek aphrodite or venus isis to the egyptians collie to the hindus heard about that. Yeah very violent imagery around her and then he talks about that a lot that she'll you know like have sex with men and then cut her heads offer kill them down in the acting holders. And then and then of course a little bit comes from witchcraft and occult judaism so he says these forms of jazz abell permutations of evil rooted ultimately in lilith and now known as variations on the biblical jazz. Belle are certainly not the only modalities female corruption. They are simply the best known. We'll explore others later but for now the reader should understand. The gel is highly adaptable. To the times and culture in which she operates and the ultimate purpose is the same disparage the patriarchy of the father allow and displaced the holy trinity with devotion to a matriarchal based system of worship. Allow ow so. This is where of glides around this. But he doesn't really talk about a sheera so ashir uh most often shows up in the bible reference to ashira polls that the monotheistic hebrews have to cut down destroy their like the most common graven image. That you need to get rid of alka when you're clearing out an unholy site and there's i looked it up forty references to a ashira in the bible. You're welcome bob and it's a frequent thing enough that you have to kind of wonder. Oh what was this. A shiro worship so turns out shiro was kind of seen as a concert to god and is this. Robs interpretation are yours history and even within the bible. There's nods to this. The bible was clearly. It's promoting this monotheistic view but it's full of little references to the polytheism out of which monotheistic judaism came and so there's more than a few clues as to kind of what was going on. This is just me sidebar here. But i always find this extremely fascinating so in the region of canaan and like the eucharistic texts from farther north in syria. We get this picture of a whole polytheistic. Panoply of god's you had like the chief god that was l. and he had a wife essentially who was ashira. Okay obviously different regions. Had different iterations of this inversions versions of it. But in some they had up to like seventy children that were various local deities. And so the idea is that all was one of these children. One of the local gods chemo. Y'all way is just yet another one of these local gods and eventually judaism decided. Oh you know what we actually only believe in one god and they kind of mutated y'all way into l. and so you get this kind of combination wearing the bible got is sometimes referred to as elohim l. Sometimes should i. L l jahn like all of these names are just various permutations of this but the idea was our one god happens to be the supreme. God that we've heard about before but there was still this worship of ashira. His consort the female aspect of god and it was just commonplace for people to have these ashira polls which were made out of wood. We don't know exactly what they look like. They were carved clearly because it talks about them being carved sometimes i think they were just trees trees. That had been carved anyways big problem. Whenever you'd find them as the monotheistic sect cut them down thing lickety-split get rid of that ashira poll and they're obsessively talking about the by get rid of the zero polls the europe poll. So you're just as often as they're talking about getting rid of all or molecular whoever they're talking about that so i think it's interesting that whole back story that we've heard just this one set of zealots. Who effectively won the debate to nerve writing the bible. Sarah kind of telling their side of the story. But there's so many nods to a much richer history and religious practice within canaan and israel. Saddam will come back to that. But there's another really good line of bad improv. Get them away from me giselle screamed. Winning was an habbing another woman. Those swords hurt when they strike me. Tell them to stop. I hate the angels was not what you say no no so in his. Many interactions with chazelle. He's learned other things about her personality. Just bell is ingenious impulsive. All right she isn't subtle. Okay just ruthless very ruthless. Well introduce you to ruth right as you could use them. Roof jabil appeals to religious sentiments. And you might say. Scrupulous city am likes to shift the blame. Sounds like trump. Just bills without pity or compassion. She wants total control and nothing. Less and jacksonville's purposes are aided by compliancy. He's referring to a have their pills. The habit is a demon will also show up very often and people whenever they're kowtowing a little bit too evil. They're letting people happen. They're letting someone else get away with something where they should be standing up moral cowardice. Yes well said that is the spirit of a how neville chamberlain to just bills hitler and then for each of those traits kind of tie it to the original jazz abell story. So then we get to the story of elijah's this is the big biblical showdown when Most of us have been in sunday. School we've heard this story of elijah versus the profits of all set the pyre on fire showdown. I don't know if you remember this okay. Well the old testament flood through me like water. I was just waiting for it to be over. Okay so this is in the book of kings and so we've kind of set the stage you've got bad king. He's leading this horrible harlot from another country and her other gods so elijah's kind of in exile and now he's gonna prove that y'all way is true god and so he invites all of the prophets of bail to mount carmel delicious. Bright which as bob admits. Here it's not really amount. It's just a high hill because this is Canaan the rest of this does not need explaining. You're right this needs clarification. As we mentioned before she brought in eight hundred fifty prophets of four hundred fifty specifically serving bohol. Forty four sheera. I think bob left out a lot of share because it invites a lot of those odd questions about wait a second. Why did y'all have concert. Why did some people believe that. And it's interesting in this book. He only refers to a share as the consort of ball. I think he's only telling half the story there. So all of these priests show up and they set up these altars altered y'all way and allies you're kind of fixes it up. And he's the only one representing his side but he says go ahead put your animals on their sacrifice him but but the fire has to come from god. You can't set a fire. That's the rule so all of these priests they come out. They're doing they're dancing and they're cutting themselves and they're trying all morning for hours to get this thing to light on fire right. It's not happening and elijah's just like making fun of them. I oh maybe allowed. Or maybe bala can't hear you. Maybe he's on the toilet or something like that so nothing happens. And then it's elijah's let show off a little bit and he digs a moat around the pile and he has people put like jars of water on it. Like just splash water all over and make it hard to light on fire. Okay but then. Fire comes from heaven and the whole thing erupts into flames. And y'all as the real. God yea okay now if at all that down exactly like if we thought this was a real story you'd have to wonder. Was this water lighter. Fluid share but probably. It's all just made up because there's a lot of plot holes here but what happens is all of a sudden okay. The people have also been invited. So there's thousands of people from israel. They're they're watching and they see y'all way clearly wins this fight and so then all the priests of bail they say. Wow okay this. Truly is the one god. So what do you think happens. What do you do with all these people just realized that this is the true god. Tell them you gotta you know the bible. That's right yeah they take them to a nearby valley and they kill all of them which tells me that. The people of israel were somehow in cahoots in. They agreed with elijah. And this whole situation enough that they're like yeah. We'll help you forcibly rangel. Eight hundred fifty people into this valley and them okay. So that's all happened. So what do you think happens next. Now he's like scored a big victory. Y'all way is proved to be the real. God we just did a major miracle. We just killed eight hundred fifty priests. What are we going to do now. Live happily ever after in. The nation now worships. Y'all no correct. What do we do instead. Start a war though. That's a good idea. No elijah runs away and hides because he's just depressed and he wants to kill himself and he doesn't understand how he's at all useful Okay yeah and bob has a hard time explaining this as would anybody because it makes no sense again. One of these stories where it's like not expect this to be so much bible. Yeah we'll jesualdo you know. She's from there. But i want stories that are like at this lady of the short skirt came into my office. And you sit on this couch dame and i'll call out. The spirits of jesolo. Sounds a little white spencer tracy or something a lot of bible here anyway so nother plot whole jessie belle. She wasn't even present for this. Whole showdown between the priests and elijah. Where was she we don't know was even there. We're not sure he helps kind of put out the word that this was going to happen. Yeah for some reason elijah's for awhile and he goes and hides god feeds him in the desert makes him meals and angel shows up and makes some meals he hides under juniper bushes all kinds of weird things that happen anyways eventually because he knows jess belle wants to kill him he has to find someone else to anoint. As the new king they come in a dead and his son takes over and then he kills the son. J who is the new king. And then jay who depots jazz abell and throws her off a parapet and her body is ripped apart by dogs and by the fall and all. That's left of her part of her feet and the palm of her hand and part of her skull and then she becomes a demon. Okay so our demons former human beings again. I don't think. Bob is consistent there because demons stevens are supposed to be like fallen angels. Angels aren't supposed to have been human so essentially that same spirit of collie and diana and tar and isis. These shoehorned in ladies just happens to possess this woman in a very virulent form and we are left with that name. Just okay of a male demon that takes on feminine aspects on. That's seems to be it. But like bob has a really low threshold for what qualifies as a demon. Like someone will say or like. Oh that's the name of the demon murder you know what i'm talking myself into it. Maybe it's like lou gehrig's disease where it's like well didn't originate with luke most famous case where we understand it there. You go okay cool. That's fine now. You did good. Bob carey helped you out. At least that's the the biblical story that this kind of fits into and so bob will constantly taunt jazz abell and say we're going to throw you down and the dogs are going to devour you. You hear the dogs coming they're hungry. Asl all each isabelle. Oh my god. L. would love it when i and my fellow pm tubes removed i asked the surgeon like can i have them like my dog would love them and he said no. He said the biopsy them. I was like well. Just give me like the rest. And he's like no. There's like laws about getting rid of medical ways. I feel like you're right about this. And then my friend alicia had a baby and i said well can i have the placenta because allah's gonna wanna eat the placenta and alesia was like absolutely but then her husband wa- noah's like now creeps me out those like you ought to see at very little to do with this. I i had a lot to deal with this l. you've ever becomes available to eat. We will let you nibble on her. Yeah she'd love it. This is an interesting side note. Baba's learned from many years of experience that in the spirit world nominee demons dare to exalt themselves above jazz. Abell generally only demons with a loose affair. Ian rank hold higher status some such as all moloch the canaanite god of infanticide work in concert with jazz abell few tried to trumper lucifer jazz. Abell rock s shah third only to you have to think if a shiro slash all of these females lumped into one personality are akon sort of. Maybe that's the second position and then karaka shaw. Yeah so we will discover a mightier demon at the very end. But oh my goodness so many plot holes in this whole thing like if you won that whole showdown and you just completely defeated their entire priesthood. Go marching into the city. Declare like okay. We just proved it tended way is god and like if you really believe in the of galway just like you did where you put yourself in a very vulnerable situation expecting him to light your from evan. You think you would have enough faith in him to go with you into the town and declare an. Yeah but what is going on. The story doesn't make any sense. So bob spends a lot of time trying to say young. I've had those moments where you know. You just really doubt yourself. And that was a demon. That elijah was struggling with so it was yet more demonic influence. And what does it say about god. What kind of plan is that. He couldn't like closed the deal. It's like someone with a bad endgame in chess. I've got all the pieces but that's me. I don't know how to stop your king for moving around. Stop moving please. that's absolutely. I'm not great at and games either. Just today. i had like all the pieces and still ended up tying drew because he's just much better at game just yet he just successfully enough time to pick you off one at a time okay. Finally we're tied in another miracle. Of course after that big showdown rain finally comes back to the country. So like allies you keep sending a guy like go. Check the horizon go check. The horizon finally comes back. I see like a little fish. Size cloud good okay. Now we know we've got rain and sure enough. Rain comes in abundance. Great so just go in and proclaim like hey always the real god. This is the fake. God you go away. This is the new king or whatever. We all turned the galway whatever. Stop proving it. Oh yeah like super naturally out runs ahab horses for sixteen miles so he can go hide somewhere what the hell is going on. So yeah by. Bob like works overtime. Like trying to explain why the story isn't stupid and nonsensical god. I'm so glad you read this and not me this. I would not have gotten this far. I love talking about a shiro. So until i'm in this for elijah was under demonic attacked by evil spirits of despair. Suicide death in defeat. Okay so then. Bob tells us oh yes sometimes. You need a little break and i'm thinking now you've got to keep your daemon count thirty thousand. Oh right yeah. No time for breaks problem. Yeah what are you. The hugging saint keep it going. Elijah had an e. or complex. Bob even says and axe bi polar. This is a sure sign of demonic attack. Not how. I describe your or bipolar as sure had a demonic accounts absolutely and then later on he talks about elijah. These says this courageous man of god who had a bit of a. I'm the only one complex learns from the lord that he's not alone holding the fort and excuse me. I'm the only one is tickers line yours. Here's some other points that bob has learned from interacting with jabil a married woman. Living in an emotionally or physically abusive relationship can give jessie belle a legal right to operate in her life by submitting to her spouses illegitimate authority. Oh so you shouldn't submit confused. You've got a bad husband. Oh right okay that ensures a lot of subjectivity into the equation task christian counselors who say just keep submitting to your husband. Sure hey aren't confusing. Other lesson a male can have a spirit of jazz abell from an incestuous relationship with his mother. Okay i'm sure that's very common etta piss situation there. A woman who was on her fifth marriage this time to a man struggling with porn refuse to see herself as any part of the problem. She thought her husband had a jesuit spirit because of his lust in fact this woman was the abell lightning rod for much of the evil surrounding her. How'd you decide that. Bob when i challenged resumption that she was the victim and not the perpetrator of evil in her home. She turned on me and read the riot act. She tried to explain it in detail what i was doing deliverance and was deceived by the devil. Hell yeah never mind my four decades of ministerial experience. What she saw her message setting my theology and methodology straight. So the lesson learned is when bill is confronted. She may try to flip things to shoot. The messenger deflect fault to the one who is attempting to undo john. He's like dr phil in the moment. I'm going to decide whether i like you. And if i don't then you're the problem and i'm going to stand my ground. He talked about a middle aged woman. She was desperate for some emotional connection when she was young. She allowed her stepbrother's to molest her through her to lassoed. Doubts how he phrases it until she married at age sixteen and then that was a short lived. Union like a. He said she was attractive. Bright spiritually student with excellent social bearing. She would have had no problem finding a christian mate but she had decided that all men were bad. Sure so lesson learned the demonic scheme was to keep this lovely christian woman from her destiny by encouraging her to believe that she'd be more effective for god with out of her life thus she was robbed of opposite sex fellowship which stunted her ability to understand broader scope of human behavior and be more effective in ministry. So this lady's just like not dating. Yeah and so. She just not fulfilling her best life because she should be with men see according to them so if you want to recoup some of the damage that just blows done re fortify. Your theology be accountable older wiser and more experienced teachers lady. Who came to my seminar to do my job. He mentions his for decades of experience again. Wow putting a finer point on it than i would have expected talks about other pastors. And he won't name them but sometimes they're very big even household names like people we would know nationally. He says ministers who have fallen prey to the spirit of jazz bell or who have gone off in their own little rogue theology so he cautions against that he especially cautions against listening to the demons and getting new information from them. He says like you've got to be very careful and really all comes down to like you've got gotta use your discernment but his especially good right. Don't trust your own right cross mine. Yeah i know when they're telling the truth when they're lying. Sure you do bomb. Lot of this stuff is just eventually like trust your intuition thinking with the lady who's not dating. It's pretty bill like lot of the followers of christ toronto celibacy. Yeah well i mean jesus was basically like if you can hang go ahead and don't marry focus on this you know. Paul said. It is better not to be married. Oh yeah paul. Not jesus ball but if you can't control those urges of yours then i'll settle for marriage okay. Let's focus on. How jesuit works within the religious environment. So jessie bell can even pretend to be prophetic. So like maybe you've got someone in your church you keep saying. They're hearing words from god in start. Sharing new messages might be suspicious. He says of course. Sometimes people do have very good messages. Coming should be suspicious. That maybe jesu- bells acting. It sounds like you should just basically with constant anxieties. What he wants from right. Yeah question everybody. And everything healing if someone's like really into healing the bell in disguise extreme shepherding. Okay actually like this. This is good advice. He says beware the spiritual leader who tries to control the personal details in your life. Such as who you have as friends and even as a mate. Okay when you hear a pastor say if you ever leave this church bad things will happen to you. That is the time to get out of that church fast. That's good yeah. That's also a sign of a high pressure group. Also he points to regulating legalism. This is what you mentioned earlier. So if a spiritual adviser goes beyond personal convictions to tell you how to dress act even think watch out. I think he's telling me how to thank but okay. Yeah but that's generally good advice and that's how you avoid kohls. Those are some of the boxes in the slew of check boxes for colt. Just so simplified. That sounds right but we want the rubber hits the road hard to implement So he reminds us. Jesuit isn't just about cleavage and revealed ankles and stuff like that. She can also be religious and she isn't just religious. She's a fanatic. She's the violent force behind radical jihadism. Oh okay drunk. Take bob well. No wonder he keeps running into hers. She's responsible for everything she's ever present and it's interesting that he doesn't decide to break her down into like bell and there's star and there's no these are all the same one or a group of them but then like okay so call them like just bill junior just six right. Yeah at least give them different aspects. It sounds like you need more names for this demon right. Every now and then he'll make a little white jokes at the expense of women in his life. I guess i say. I have three daughters and at one point. They were all teenagers at the same time. We know the teenage exorcists. But he says i can almost hear the groans of sympathy for my readers. in truth they are wonderful young women that wants. That's fine. did i mention that. Jesolo very arrogant think. Okay and like. He says he can often tell that he's dealing with jessie belle. Just by the way someone looks at him when they're starting to express their demon like the they're kinda sultry. Yeah the side. I know in you know go. I'm so clever. yeah. I'm ready for you mr exorcist. That basically just amounts to like whether he's attracted to them. Oh maybe yeah or if it looks like they're gonna say like i'm ready for my close up right then. Oh well we've got a bill but yeah maybe the one lifted eyebrow that might do. Yeah i feel like a lot of this. Probably amounts to start off bob. Working out his sexual Anxieties could be total speculation. Of course he says the no demon displays. More pride than bill except for lucifer. Shoko figure share in shell. He's the big boss he does sometimes. How cool when things are particularly hot and heavy. Bobble say okay. All of you are clearly hiding something. Bigger where's lucifer. And at least for come up wow cool. There is a bigger demon than jazz. Abell not quite lucifer. Now because rockets. Shaw third only. There's no rutgers. Sean radiche in this book. Unfortunately oh this was really sad. There's many of these little recovered conversations and it's interesting because he says they're not word for word but he's also mentioned elsewhere that you should record all of your exorcisms. Oh right that. It's helpful to have a record which i would agree especially if you're getting people alone in a room and doing this anyway so i'm not sure how word for word to take these exchanges. But he talks about this one woman. He's intervening with her. They're pretty far into this. Exchange snarl curled lip and hands tensed in a clawlike fashion. And then the demon says sexual abuse warning here again. Her father gave her to me as a child when he raped her. This woman doesn't even remember it. Oh no here. We have a implanted memory. A memory being introduced in this play-acting or whatever's happening search for the the host says is saying this. Yeah but now what's gonna happen with her relationship with her father right. Yeah i saw that. I was like oh no. We just unleashed recovered. Memory is a real sticky wicket. Sometimes the demon will try to seduce him. And he'll be like i'm not going anywhere with you demon. 'cause you're going to the pit. Oh snap because like the deal and be like come with me. We're gonna have some fun. Oh i says no. I can't because you're going to the and you'll be back in three to four minutes. Y'all see my next appointment. Here's an interesting commentary. That is why most prostitutes are usually jessa bells often through no part of their own. According to the most recently available statistics eighty percent of imprisoned rapists were molested as children and eighty percent of prostitutes. Were sexually abused as children. I haven't checked on those stats. My own studied. Observation is more than ninety percent of sexual abuse. Victims are demonized. Now that did not come from like a pew survey and the main spirit is almost always jazz. Abell interesting. I'm not prepared at say whether it's good or bad in this bizarre world of bob's but an interesting part of his theology is that he doesn't hold that if you have a demon that means you did something wrong. It may be that something awful happened to you and that sort of opened up this portal in you for a demon to comment torments you. Yeah and he admits at one point. This book is like. I know that doesn't sound fair at all. Yeah so at least you like acknowledges that per second like yeah okay. You're the victim here. And now you've been exposed to demonic infestation as well. Yeah that sucks which sucks. Yeah kinda makes more sense to me like that's more how the world works. I guess so. Yeah shitty system. Yeah you can get disease from someone else's bad activity you know. You can carry trauma from someone else's poor decisions cetera. Bomb has a big thing about getting everyone to tell him everything so he'll be like confessed. All of your deepest darkest secrets to me. Okay i can do that at the start of an exorcism. Wow wow i look at them intently and say if you hold back i can't help you if there's a dark secret of your pass i have to know about it. Feel like he's getting off on this. Yeah i think you may be onto something there any place possible. That same could hide in your soul must be exposed and he quotes his wife to heal. You must reveal very nice. Laura it rhymes i think he means cash here. I also raised the subject. Because of its recent notoriety in hollywood kasha. A singer songwriter slash. Rapper claims to have had sex with a ghost described in her song supernatural. She explained the song by saying it's about experiences with the supernatural but in a sexy way. Oh right okay. And she was lucky to see exactly. Apparently lucy. liu has indulged in this practice as has pas de la puerta of boardwalk empire fame. Okay so they've been messing with spiritual sex for the listener. There are a number of just known sleep phenomena where people will feel as though they are having sex with ghosts or spirits in some unfortunate cases like they're being sexually taken advantage of by ghosts or spirits and it's basically a form of sleep paralysis and to bob. He says if a woman comes to you with accounts of waking or going to sleep and filling paralyzed and to the bed don't dismiss it as mere sleep paralysis. Oh all right. Psychologists have encountered this phenomenon. Describe it as a transitional state between waking and sleep but yeah he says no you may need to exercise them. You may need to have a spiritual divorce if they had some kind of ritual or emotional marriage to the entity jesus any pornography or sexual devices must be destroyed immediately and sometimes the victim needs to take a holy object to bed. Such is a bible or across or maybe me also. Jess bell is an end times demon. Oh surely okay. So an increase. In jacksonville's activity is anticipated at the end of the ages because as it was in the days of noah so it will be and that's a whole separate side story about people having sex with neff elim giants walkout. That's a big can of worms anyways. He says okay. We should expect more jazz abell toward the end of the earth. when will the coming of christ occur. That of course is open to much speculation. What we do know in general is that there will be explosion of knowledge increase in immoral behaviour. A crisis of faith instability and apostasy will have in fact the christian church persistent war and bloodshed. Actually were enjoying the like the least war on the planet in history still bad so writing. Forty one years later from your book. He says if we are close to the end of time we are at least significantly closer near enough to conclude that just bells intensity should also be escalating so there we go about predicted it again coming soon. We swear jesus just around the corner yeah wanna ask him like what constitutes the end of days like when people said we were in the end of days in eighteen hundred were they right or were they wrong. Where is the cutoff of being close. Yeah exactly when. Jesus says in revelation behold. I am coming soon. What do you mean by soon. Yeah yeah he gets into his whole dissociated soul transference thing that d. s. t. f. says please note. I'm not suggesting that the complete sole identity the entire person hood of these shamans actually lived inside. This how forgotten christian woman rather what infested. Her was a very small portion of the shaman. Souls just the connected to the curses. They put on her okay. This phenomenon of an astro projected soul part to attempt controlling. Another person's thinking is well known in the darker. Realms of the colt is it. he's kind of explaining. Why some people when they're doing this. I would call playacting. They're naming themselves as long dead people. Well how do we deal with that. How do we explain that. Okay okay so going. Through one of his exorcisms and i say albert einstein albert einstein of course is not a deepen but he might have been plagued with certain demons that are now plugging carey and gehrig's disease attached to the curse leaning. Yeah playing like also bothered albert. Exactly yeah a little associated soul transference off that thing little. Ds way d. s. t. e. s. t. so we'll talk about his connection to like multiple personality and so on later but is he also invoking that they're in the dissociated soul transfer. Yeah i think so. At least it seems like the same situation he's describing okay so little encompass the same conversation will arrive at later. Then there's one final story that's really interesting where he kind of learned something new from some exorcisms because happens to him like three times in a row. Okay in ukraine which we know he goes to all the time. Yes talks about it a lot. So he grapes status. All there he describes these three separate exorcisms with honest asia marina and anton and with each one he finds like there's this massive demon lurking behind jazz. Abell like he realizes that jazz adele's just a small player in this person. And there's this other character that he describes as the same strongman a powerful ruling evil spirit one of the so called seven princes of hell in classical satanism. So bob really builds us up. And you're like wow. Is this the name. I've heard before and he guesses. Gosh okay is it a biblical name. Let me tell you what this demon does. Yes it is. Jesus even says it. This demon causes wars and international conflicts crime violence and murder pornography and prostitution marital strife and divorce failure and ruination in many areas of life and sickness and disease that destroys. Not only the body but all livelihood and occupation cheese above. That's a good guess it's mammon. Oh okay mammon review and he says a lot of people. He preached sermons like oh man is just another word from the love of money he says. No no it's even more deep than that. It's like an actual demon. Who is the root of all kinds of evil. As says in i timothy six ten danny talks bit about mammon and how you need to overcome mammon in your life as well but this book is called. Jessie belle so he says bind jesu- belle to mammon in command in the name of jesus this tandem of iniquity release. You all your loved ones and all that you have from bondage in any form jez. Abell and mammon work hand in hand. Unless deliverance ministries have sufficient knowledge about the craftiness of jessie belle. Who often shields mammon. They will not push to the root of this demonic interloper. Get ready to experience. Freedom in your health finances relationships worship marriage church in every area of life you can defeat your number one spiritual enemy jessa bell well out clapped-out cop that's it up. He does end with a prayer that you can use to get freedom from bell and mammon but it's really long so so no thanks. I'll give you a little flavor. Though i loose the dogs of jezreel to speedily and eat your flesh and lick your blood. Jazz abell jezreel. They're the dogs of jezreel. The blood of jazz abell. Okay i call upon the horses of j who to trample you and terror in judgment ease names jay. Who was the new king who came in to take over after a son was killed will be no mercy for you. Jez abell and mammon newer to all your subordinates. You are foul and despicable agents of evil likewise deserving of the punishment do that fallen angel lucifer with inspired rebellion. That is a very small portion of my throat hurts intense. So there you go. That's just bill. Thanks for reading. That i would have fallen asleep in after two. Oh i was into it. Good well we split up our duties. Well then i will just very quickly tell you about rock practical help for those who listen to the words. And don't like what they hear by bob. Larson i salute you. It's from nine thousand nine hundred eighty one a look my wife. She's from one thousand nine. Hey listen the rest of it is rock and roll bad. Most popular music bad disco. Very bad gonna make you gay. Those bob talk about the construction of the actual tunes in court progressions thump thump. Particularly bad thumbs are made to induce a trance-like state long or not in control of your body is a little onto something there. Okay okay this is crazy. Some musicians are into drugs. That's bad okay. Now you're going to do drugs. 'cause he listened to their music he plays his own discordant music. Yeah but it's not thump thump. Okay fine you know a lot of these songs make you wanna have sc. That's bad so what a done did was. I went through and made note of every time he mentioned and actual musical act and then saw which acts were mentioned the most shirt care and remember this came out in one thousand nine hundred. Eighty one place you. He mentioned one hundred and fourteen. Musical accent total. Oh okay well. It is a book about rock. Yeah all of whom are bad. They're twenty eight that are mentioned more than once. Oh wow so those twenty eight. So do you want to gas. Were there any popular bands that he pointed to you like. Oh they're actually solid guys. They're gonna know like he. He mentioned them positively now. Wow oh well actually. That's not true. He mentioned his own music by my album. Yeah okay there was faren away a winner. There was musical acts. That is the rolling stones. I worst yeah. Hey how'd you know that mick jagger so sexual okay. Rolling stones are mentioned twelve. I'm guessing the beatles next. Because they're huge and bob doesn't like they're more popular than him. No bills were mentioned three times. What they're bigger than. Jesus chari okay. The stones were mentioned twelve times next with someone mentioned only eight times. it was an individual bob marley. no lease never mentioned jimi hendrix. Good gas i think hendrix's mentioned just once. Was this written again eighty-one. Oh come let me give you a hint pat benetton. He feels that this person is to secondly for his shirt sexually gender ambiguous david bowie dared. Okay ziggy stardust. And then next is a chance that was mentioned. Seven times led zeppelin. That's next down. That's mentioned five times doors. No trying to thank more explicitly. A colt satan kiss kiss. Okay okay satan service. Oh it's uplands mentioned five that was in the actual intended acronym right okay. Yeah that's always something. You just assume that christians made up. Okay mentioned four times. donna summer. Alice cooper course. Okay rod stewart arctic. I know rod stewart. That was very funny. Full row of young mentioned three times. We have santana. Okay linda ronstadt. Oh hala notes all right arrowsmith a pretty good acts right aerosmith arrowsmith aerosmith. I can see high on his list. Okay the beatles the beach boys all jefferson starship formerly known as jefferson airplane. Okay and then mentioned twice. We've got conway twitty outon john. Sure okay. yeah queen the nah yeah queen. You think he'd have a field day with queen. Nak the who todd rundgren over. That is the bg's okay george harrison. The eagles fleetwood mac. George harrison gets his unmentioned. Okay yeah twice. We would mac black sabbath which. I was surprised as mentioned more. Oh yeah total. That's feeds perfectly into his whole vision of what rock exactly is like carried to extremes ted nugent oyster cults and the tubes all acts that bob wishes he could be a successful and even the ones we haven't heard of the tubes witch doctor to give me and they wouldn't but i couldn't possibly read you all the gems in this one. But just picking a couple that highlighted and then wrote mation next to who was the first answer it may have been satan as the first created musician. He may have expressed these exuberance by dancing around the throne of god after satan fell. Perhaps he determined his talent for dancing. Would be a major means of corrupting mankind. Perhaps anti dancing come on. What is this one thousand nine hundred. Thirty s- flashdance. Whatever the fuck atari footloose. Yeah there's a whole chapter about how christian rock is bad and of course of course but like ten pages into the chapter almost at the end he drops this bomb. I have personally witnessed a number of pagan self mutilation and torture rituals in which rhythms were used to create a spiritual environment facilitating demonic control. In addition i have also wash those involved in witchcraft practices utilized melodies and beats to help achieve an altered state of consciousness if music be constructed to place one on a different spirit level and satan's realm than what does this mean to a christian musician burying the lead. Bob you've watched a bunch of pagan self mutilation and torture rituals right age one. Oh two you're just mentioning it empowering right near the end of the book. Yeah good point. Also what does that even mean like. I've witnessed dark ceremonies that use words. So what is a minister of god. Do with using words yeah. Correlation is not calls. Ation poisoning the well a little bit okay. There's one chapter. That's like okay parents. You're probably reading this feeling very self satisfied that you don't like your kids music but you probably listen to music too if you listen to country court. And then he goes on an anti country rants about how it's all about like sex and sticking them. Oh my god. And then he gives you the lyrics to a song. He wrote called the country and western song. I don't get this so he's like. I want to be successful recording artists. But i'm gonna do it by getting you to dislike in throughout your albums of all of these more successful people right so you'll buy mine. I don't know also. I love this. He puts all of the lyrics and then writing the copy. Write in one thousand. Nine hundred ninety eight larson used by permission of your cell. Nicer view seventy eight. That's when not only my other sister was born but also when god changed his mind about black people in the book of mormon yesterday. Oh goodness in there yes. Country western music doesn't have a sexy beat. It's not like that rock and roll to get you on your feet and still their kids. The rolling stones. They showed in here but those country music words would burn a sailor's ears okay. I made that happen. Pretty proud of it. Great college made it. The country's singers don't have freaky hair. Oh he's from muskogee. Don't snort cocaine every area like the rock stars who take dope today at along their joe strong conley or well. They sing those trucking songs. Some day when your death has come in you. I've said goodbye then. I wonder if you'll see a jukebox in filled with all the contra songs you've heard along the way to check away here you belong win. It comes judgment day. well i liked. You're tune thank you okay. Here is a little story about told from his personal life. A friend of ours woke up one day to find her twelve year. Old daughter had papered an entire wall with pictures of shaun cassidy. She asks my opinion. I told her that. I felt such pre puberty fascination with rock sex idols was unhealthy directing attention to the pictures. Her childhood displayed. I pointed out cassidy's half baird chest tight pants with appropriate bulges and sexy gazes imposes. You should see what a shaun cassidy. Concert is like i explained. He suggestively dangles the microphone between his legs and caresses his bottom. While he sings toward the end even takes off his trousers. fortunately he has on an even tighter underneath. The mother blushed for a moment at such an explicit admission of the motives behind preteen rock performers. But she kept her cool and resisted the temptation to rip every picture from the wall with righteous anger. She decided to syrup tissue. Take down one picture a day. Well at the same time replacing them with more appropriate posters and allowed will never know. That's literally exactly martin hilarious. More marins become a lot of kitten. I mean how did this happen in school. I had guest speakers that came in to preach these exact messages to tell us about what horrible people these popular musicians were gavin. Rosedale horrible guy. You can't listen to bush. Kurt cobaine killed himself dragged himself to test. We'd hear all these things and then people would run away. You know convinced throw away all of their albums record breaking record breaking. I spent a year and a half listening to nothing but kayla christian radio. I loved kayla of when i was in sacramento. Is the home of kahlo. There's also so much bellyaching and hear about eastern religion and just so much seen a phobia around that just anything that reminds him even fake tar. Right and we'll we'll tell you stories of this rock and roll musician. Used to be a heroin addict. But then he got into hinduism and now that's is thing. Imagine an improvement. Yeah totally. I can see bob saying this guy was a heroin addict and now he's a christian. He's a brother right. Actually i remember that and a a christian presentation like one of these ones. I'm talking about where the guy was so proud. He said alice. Cooper is now brother alice cooper and like oh okay great yeah it housekeeper convert ticker she. My god there were so proud of that. So it's like okay converted to hinduism someone's giving a little talk right now about that guy. Didn't maybe bulbs credit. Or at least to bob semi consistency. He does say somewhere in one of these books that there's too much focus on testimony and like someone turning their life around because a religion does not prove the religion true. Okay so fair enough. Bob marley became a christian as well. Yeah knew that one. Yeah that's right forgotten. I did not see that coming dylan for a little bit. I'm fine. I was thinking bob dylan. Oh why does that not sound right. Oh man i was thinking but he has a son. Jacob jacob marley bob marley. Okay last thought ross's it. I just want to show you without comment. The title of chapter thirteen okay. It is the class. My dad can lick your dad carey. Hart all right. I think we know he meant in a physical fight. Yea masculine bravado. My father can best your father but but we we see. My dad can lick your dad then to make things weirder. You're right it starts off with like every young man wants to think. His dad is the strongest in the world but we have to come to terms with the fact that they're not and so you think the chapter is going to be about that. No it just turns into another rants about how parents shouldn't listen to country music. Oh so doesn't it. All reflect the chapter title not really. Don't judge of chapter by its title. Or maybe your chapters better. It seems like he wants to borrow all the trappings of rock. You know the title of his book has that glitzy aerosmith type typography. Oh my god. The covers of his books are stellar ear. That other one was clearly appealing to the psychedelic crowd. Yeah i love the covers. And i've got a lot of other bob lower material to get through but in general. He had stiller covers of his books. Hong few yeah okay. But i have to read for two weeks from now when we come back. Okay yeah so next time will return to some more reflections on curriculum in the international school of exorcism. And yeah maybe we'll have another book report. You won't hear from us next week. Yes we all have a wonderful time. Whatever you're doing that you stay home. Don't see anyone day healthy. Stay healthy stay safe. We'll see you again on the other side. Well that's it for our show. Our theme music is by brian. Keith bolton this episode was edited by the heroic. Victor figueroa our administrative managers in kramer. You can support this in all investigations by going to maximum fun dot org forward slash join j o i n j s jerry o. 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#38 - Marce & Rosslyn Part 1 - Amigas y Latinas

"Mm-hmm. Of the cool kids table podcast find episodes on. A cool kids table PODCAST DOT COM. Twitter the IT's Pon. INSTAGRAM. FACEBOOK and Youtube is. The cool kids to podcast my guest today. Guests are no. My list sounds like I'm saying gets all the time, but might multiple today. I joined by two. Co Host of the podcast on me as he Latina's. Pretty. That's chat with them. A little bit to tell. It's a good one I liked them already. Their names are marcy. And wrassling I don't want to get lasting which Check them out. They do a lot of things will get into it in the actual sorted self, but start off with their podcasts are Migas electing us. Welcome ladies. Thank you for joining me. Gay were very very happy to be here. Thanks for the invite. We're super excited. You're welcome. That's Marseille Rawson. Say Hello today to distinguish the voices. Sexy and seductive. Off Thank. You guys for joining me southern CPA silos. Tears. My Saturday took a shot savell cool. Whiskey. I taking care of last week. Yeah, I'm doing gator. Go! Bigger. Go home now. That's. What the HELL fucking yeager bombs! Just? Eager extreme why I'm doing gaiger bombs except that it's not explosive. It's a shaw followed by the Red Bull. How do you get podcasting How does like we leader go everywhere? How do you guys? Tell me in the in the warm ups. But how did you guys go about podcasting I? Encourage everybody to have a pocket. That's how everybody. A reason why deteriorate podcast. That's good. People are going to listen to your do my show sucks and people like it you. Know what they're talking about to have a show. It's better. It's like A. It's like a journal. It's like a diary. It's just audiences. Are Consume most of my ear is. So For everyone that is listening or number is modest. And so basically both me are awesome and is like the back story. were both very creative individuals. And we both had ideas throughout our years of friendship that we've had of. What can we do that? We can join forces on that will showcase our creativity, our imagination, and all of that and we've done a quite a few stuff, but just a few actually when quarantine started, I was. Texting I was like you know what? Why don't we do a podcast? She's like. Are you serious nells like? Yeah, let's do it and. She's like okay. I'm down. And then we started thinking about the name and she's like we gave a lot of ideas, but then she said. What do you think about this? As a boon, meet US Latinas Dina's I mean. It can't get any more catchy. Raziq. Drop Mike. says. It's crazy 'cause. People have listened to my. She just cook name that I get caught my eyes so. Get suggested or on different APPS, different platforms. Me I don't really I personally I tried solo many different names, and then everything was. So then, that's like okay. Like this I like the the like the cool kids table like who people? Think. It's bad. But it was kind of like. Not by mistake, which is kind of like? Let me see if this works and. All the ones that I wanted for. All right well. I'm not mad at this one in. I really really liked be. Yeah, no, it's a good name. Yeah, when I was searching it, I I did search and then there wasn't that many. Latina's or Amigas combined sales at Haywar to friends. You know it's the best friends is just were Hispanic with Esso's zoo it. was available yet worked L. and now I feel like that's our. That's our our. Niche I guess. And slowly, but surely we've been kind of brainstorming on what exactly are podcast is about our audience and everything, so it's been super cool. We also encourage people to start their own podcast I. Mean if you want your voice heard. just do it and me are awesome. We went for it and here we are. On Your podcasts. Glenn! On here I enjoyed that episode of I can't remember. I mean. I listened to it at the time, the social media influencing. Yeah okay I like it concentrates on your. They're doing I could see and I. Tell everybody you just getting. WHOEVER EVERY PODCAST! No getting podcast that I listen to. You. Decide somebody a few weeks ago. Kershaw is is a win. Woman. Show, which is to me, is daunting because our mind, even though it's just quote, unquote me, it's about the guest thought about me like Gals little snippets of my story, but she just throwing herself doing to me at least in even though I say a lot. Can put my whole life on blasts, and so I give Kudos to at deserve Kudos. A good managed good growth opportunity. Yeah, I think when you start up podcast. You really don't have an idea. You're not really sure about your niche. You kinda like evolves into that. And that's what happened with us. You know I. I. kind of just wanted it to be just two friends. You know talking about real life. Issues but then. Later on Volvo as we started having guest. Yeah, we just want a platform where Hispanics that can get information. You know because there's not that many resources out there. So we kinda wanted a platformer have that. Info and That's how it starts. Because originally like everyday talk I'm I'm sure it's mostly girls that listen to show. Why will majority of a pocket are girls and as? I have A. I had on my website like a little survey like you know. How do you define me what your age would income bracket where you can kind of narrow down demographic? Once I felt comfortable with okay got this many listeners. I cannot find people. Like oh! I went to high school with you. I know you so they kind of on my. My. My Niche, it's like twenty five or thirty five Lower Middle Upper Lower Class I. Make comfortable living, but they're trying to buy a house, but they're not okay. People like me then yeah, okay, cool. I decided to be myself because you'll get tons of critics of tons of people trying to give you advice on. You should do this, you should. He gotta take it right. Take it okay. What can I do want people to listen to what people enjoy but in? He's gotTA BE TRUE TO YOURSELF You come on here playing a character. That wealthy because at one point the other day like. That characters grow old or the people that enjoy that characters girl. You're just yourself going people going with the audience. Zanny yeah, I, go out my personal. Posting Bullshit and the next thing is like there's kids in cages I'd like we need to get a take this seriously. And then the next vote is like fuck America. You know the fucking cheese. Balance I say rain. That's like that's me rows over here, trying to pretend to be a social actors. You'll be see right through it, but they know that I'm aware of the and try to bring attention to it as well as being a dumb as I. Just Kinda makes it relatable. Yeni, thing is really important just to be yourself. I think people can see through the wash it. You know and people like. Other people who are authentic and like I, told you. That's why I knew when we started this or when I got the idea in my head, I knew there was no other person that I was GonNa do it with a be successful than Rawson. Just because our personalities you. We Klay I love you. Our Personalities Click and everything and I feel like we don't have to pretend to be anything that we're not. It just flows, and we've had a really good response. We've only we started this podcast or a little bit over a month ago. Never start at the end of April and it's been going really well with the feedback that we get. It's old, super cool cables. Latinos are putting other entrepreneurs social media. influencers and stuff and people can relate to us so I think that's very important. Being relatable is key especially nowadays. Lose so much bs out there kind of. How did you find us? How did you find a podcast? P. H. I? Don't know I just. Like scroll like on different things. You know like next page. Well we, we made it. I think so and I saw the little like the graphic. You know to me that sends out. Club. My graphics up. We'll see that I can go on canvas and fucking great. I made a five minute little. It took me. Five minutes. Is what I'm saying like Little Bandler at twitter fixture and Ben Ben. Man and And so, I was like looking at I. Don't know what I was looking at. And then I saw like the little graphic damn. I honestly thought. Their bigger suddenly right because it looked so fucking good and. One, this is our. And then I saw I did a little thing in analytics. Manila research the hell. This is cool. I have plenty of Cape. We should branch out and do our own little. Like little, fucking DUMB ASS! Just kinda looked. And I don't know my cell phone so to me. It's always cool to see a group of people two or three. I feel like once. You got four a little staticky on the Mike. But. I I saw that and then I saw the US had like everything alright of him like they came out firing because he has already have a facebook page you have to start like. Dot Com like finding on anchoring. You're like Oh, I can't find items. Oh, I'm only on anchor. When you see people already kind of went through the. Yeah, yeah, behind the scenes work to me. It's like okay. They did due diligence because when I came out I. Did nine destinations now? I'm on a twenty eight or twenty nine I'm not sure, but you gave me like the more cases you are. The more people find you. 'cause I get kept on my friends like my youtube videos have. Twenty twenty five, but it's only the the visual, only the picture of my logo. And I do that. Twenty twenty five listens at not even represent one percent of my listenership, but the more places you put yourself like on twitter, share my post on twitter, and it gets seven plays not even one percent, but those are twenty seven plays that avenue. WHO The fuck? Berge exposure exposure you get. The big ones you know, obviously you know the spotify the. What's the Big Apple? PODCASTS are podcast Google has stitcher for you. The biggest one is my website. That's why tolerate. Make sure you own it. shirt. spotify number going to go down I'm sure YouTube. But that's what they said about my space and say Youtube decides to charge you the Creator to uploading. A Youtube the destination. I can't control if spotify it is behind a paywall, right? You still get it free, but. If you have ads. On my website, it's free I pay for it. I pay for the hosting, so most of my listeners come from my website. I tell everybody I. Put yourself everywhere and anywhere know. I was on Pod coin, which was like they paid you to listen to. This is not going to last at all. Always call pod queen had. High Bean. That's. been to. Todd chaser podcast added are mean. And Kudos to you, you know because being a one one man show I mean. I'm sure it can be Over challenging, yeah, because I feel like to you know to brings are better than one, and that's it. That's our situation with me and Rossland where you know. Maybe I might forte's in a certain subject, and in hers another, and that's why we complement each other so well because when I gave her that idea, hey the podcast shit by that night Yemenia all the list and where we were going to be at the everything had everything like already brainstormed and I was like Oh this is cool. She's a hey, we're ready. All were already on spotify. We I already likes amid arse of our application were I tunes I was like? Okay so this is real. It is a lot of work right, so congrats both need to be able to put yourself out there because I've had people like Tommy I tried, and then like I gave up a It's too much to even. Make, podcast. Equipment the I never touched anything with audio. Data to me was like what the Hell is. I'm not trying to be a DJ. I DON'T WANNA BE! Yeah I think. Yeah I think we just research and just figured it. Our kind of just used to researching things in just you know we don't know something. We kinda just like Google away, but. Even it comes with our work because we do work together. and I know you're mentioning like off the air how you're also starting a business Low key I mean it's a kind of right now. I. mean. Same thing you know like during warranty now I was out at work. I'm Webex like not getting any commission from anything I'll just kind of like. To. Jog to go back to like Wednesday open beings up. And that was cool. told the business I had money for six weeks. No sweat. I'm good. But then week five dollars. What the fuck. Was Fast, it was it was fun when I sleep in and have me for breakfast absence. You know podcast. Day I'm doing stupid challenges with my listeners twenty twenty challenges, we call it twenty twenty vision where running were reading or writing or starting business Andrew when I have all the time in the world, I can dedicate myself to this yet another. The builder rate like I'm good for next week week after that. What am I GONNA do? So I just went out on a limb, and I started this little. Cook I know that everybody tells me to you. I know I. Just don't like it. But thing is i. don't like doing it for other people. Infamous fell. No and what I mean is like when it's work on my. Word it's like when your hobby becomes your job. This is a job new, and so now that I'm doing this I'm Kinda like I live and die by I do good. It's on me, but I do. It's me like A. Little pressure I because you work at a restaurant, if It slow. You still get paid for eight hours then if it's busy, you only get paid for eight hours, so it's Kinda like. Good and bad so far no bullshit. I was doing that today out here, Moreno Valley. I sound Saturday Sunday and Monday. We're talking about this royal freshman year. Yes, do my research I don't. An. And surprising. I was a one a school in Europe. Me More. Actually do just getting. Now. But back to what I was saying, was that If you ever have any questions or anything about your business that you're starting, so says together at a tax accounting office, and she's the in charge of the Department for entities so few corporations or anything like she can help you out. So. Yeah, that's how yeah we work together. We do. You know everything and you know going back to what you were just saying right now. We actually on our latest will actually on not the one we release your a few days ago. The one prior to that we actually have someone from Australia, he's a business person very young to we had him on, and we asked him about his online business, and what he said I think falls into what. What you were saying right now which he said that sometimes the biggest obstacle that people have from being their own boss is the fear of the responsibility that they're going to have. They feel like when you're an employee. You're like okay. Look even whether I. WanNa work. I'm still going to get paid, but it caps rate the payment that you're gonNA get. It's not going to be what you. What your dream pay we'll be like. Let's be realistic. So that's what stops people from being their own boss that they feel old shit. If I go out on my own if I'm lazy, one day I'm not gonNA, make any money. It all depends on me. So that's what stops out, you know. It goes back to that that once you get that fear once all those obstacles are out of your mind, because everything is, is it goes back to your mentality and your mindset and everything? You're able to do what you WanNa do, 'cause we had asked him what his secret sauce was success, his online business, and that's what he told us, so. Here's dropping some knowledge from one of our guest speakers. By the way his name is Daniel. Burke Y-. Just. Would episode. WAS EPISODE A. Episode a Daniel Burke He. Myself, and he does a lot of He has a YouTube Channel Yeah. He basically taught himself how to Code and used to work for Apple. He quit his job. June, Nineteen, June twenty, six, twenty, nineteen. there. He just started his own online teaching how to code from a disease so Yeah, and he's I think he's like in his mid twenties. Yeah is Super Smart. He just did it. He just quit and zig it and he made six figure income in a year so. That is very motivational a think. Both men Rawson right now were China. Master Mind and be able to grow beyond what we can even imagine you know that's why for quarantine we both. It's really love fringe of because we we pump each other up. Lake were always like you can do. Let's do it like come on in quarantine started we kind of. Agreed that we're not gonNA let these weeks. Pass by without. Bettering ourselves, you know, so. We both like most lasts for our youtube channel. We started our podcast Rawson starting her marketing business. So it's super like motivating. You know to have like. That like keeps you accountable for. You said you were going to do this like come on black and stuff so. Yeah, that's what they say. Surround yourself with people. You WanNa be like because. One of the things until here because they're like right now. I just posted on a personal the Patriots. Still tend to follow your your personal. Sheba's. Where's your personal page? I try to separate everything, but it always ends up coming back to like I was telling. My my little side business I haven't given it a brilliant. Push my podcast page even though I know benefit Let me see if I could do this on my own right. I met the food. Speak for itself I want. I mean I. Do want that extra boost. Show. People that this is doable, you know, tell everybody I'm a piece of shit. If I do share you guys can to. And when I mean is. Like I click today. Friday Saturday Sunday by myself right well, not really by myself without. Friends and family right, but it's like limited how? But Thursday is a shopping. That's when I had to cancel. Friday I off prep like from dusk to dawn go to bed at two in the morning, and then Friday Saturday wake up at seventy. Two eight or nine drive out back here in sunny seem and then I did the same thing today out here to see if I still have a little markets I started are here. At energies estimate I do food community here. I'm like there's way more people out there who make way more money here at found year instagram. My put a yeah, and so I put. Like podcast by day. I mean. The side business by day podcast by night 'cause. People tell me that Indiana always seldom Deanna Gammy, whatever questions concerns you have either on the podcast records magic clap friends starting other businesses like how do you get a falling? So could you got engaged? Replied every M I replied to every little. Hey, I like the show like. Thank you for listening net little thing because you don't know these people you don't but to them. That might be like Oh. Shit. I got so in Bamut share right, but I'd have fucking thousand followers, so they think I'm cool like just saying. Hey, I got I. Appreciate Your listening to my show like Oh. This replied to me because I know when I replied to like fucking. Are No ESPN figure he'd likes my comment on the OC. So that feeling goes everywhere. Yeah, connection! Yeah, you're like Oh shit! He took the time to read this I. Know because he liked it. You're like Oh crap, so to me is like I, know how I feel I. Get that little simple as shit as like. Why can't I do the same for the next person? You know indoor like nobody. Tell, some friends an. Actor Aguilar okay. Yes, man, battle like. To to them, somebody make sense because they don't know. I'm just regular. Dude, are just those down the gear on the same person. You'll never even find your other businesses. But we're professional professionals doctors. Yeah, we are. We are like seriously. Real time. Time? I'm looking at the food that you make in mounted. Dude. WHAT THE HELL! You need to hit me up next time you're in. My nickel dead, and those those styles ooh. I'm close by stop by me. I'll take. This is so bomb and seafood is like my favorite in the entire world like. Every day. Wow how I would want delivery, though not Lazio. Do Do. I just just pay a premium to like. Go drop off this stuff. I'll talented really. Serious let us know when you're on. In an one thing for sure. ooh, I'm looking at your stories. Okay? Okay I'm just GONNA. But not. By the way he has it. He said he has not been a promoting on his podcast, so we are promoting for him. Ahead and follow Phys, that's. Fish. On the main like I, said, everything is taken folks. You put a twist on this. That's you can find it at P. H. I. Z. H.. Bomb! BILLICA my own pastas Ooh. That looks so bomb. Dan Moreno Valley area. He is certainly a serving Saturday and Sunday night. Beauty Beauty, Bom, Bom, people who? Fire! Don't do marketing at some. Come with a little catchy things. Like that I'll make shirts and everything gets all the words I'm like I'm surprised. Facets taken off serious. Do you're getting a lot of lakes? We're all doing the research. Media Audit Right now take up. The stories like undermine impeach. Check out the reviews I. Yeah, I'm looking at the. We're all up in there. were. There were there right now. You're awesome. That's awesome. You gotTa keep doing that. This is do it. Why do you? Why do you WanNa? I mean we worked for companies I'm seeing if you have some being, you have A. Something, you can create as a business like why not work for yourself. There is literally no cap on that while you work at a restaurant. Hate his much pain, you, that's it. Yeah, and by over ten week or next and you know I feel like the reason why both Rawson and I have them in Tel Aviv because although we do work nine to five we love. We Love Our job manager if you're listening I, love my job. Now Thursday we work with. Small with business owners so I think the although we do work for a company, we just handle business owners, so it's like we. We understand what it is to have like a business, and for people to you know we'd seen how clients go from one restaurant to owning like ten cents, so it's super, meeting and We specialize. I guess our companies specialize Latino. Business owners, so it's even more motivating like every damn one especially Rawson. She has so many ideas were always like all you can do this. You can do that like it's super cool. It's super super. Inspirational adjusts seeing like she said like just seeing clients that say for example one hundred thousand in two, thousand, seventeen, in other at one point five million. It just shows you like you know you have to get over that fear. And? Just go for it because that's the only way to do it. Inches work for yourself, so you hours. Have you own employees like why not? You know what I mean and if you ever have questions that we can up. Man. I don't believe in that. Everything happens for a reason. And is now. Actually end. The possibilities are endless. That's me and Rawson always like we're always telling each other like dude. It's not oh I'm good at that, so that's the only thing that I can pursued know nowadays with social media with the Internet like the possibilities are literally endless like if you think about the millions of people that exist in this world unless you say you love to I don't know create. Sand Castles I. Don't know a few hundred people are going to love how you create the sand castles and are GonNa WanNa. Learn so even the most. Even if you don't consider what you do, and just in general for the people who are listening. If you don't consider what you do, something important or that other people are not. GonNa like follower not GonNa like trust me. There are millions of people in this world, so if dole out of those millions a hundred people like what you do. That's more than enough for you to start a business and star inspiring people so i. think that's what keeps us going. You know and I think that's made us like. Do Our podcast and each week I feel we get more and more motivated because we know that. There's going to be people out there. WHO ARE GONNA? Appreciate our content with you know are to appreciate the information that we're providing, and that's really motivating. Yup! And for everybody listening, that's what everybody says you know it's whatever I ran into had one of my good friends on. My! I keep telling them to do a call podcast because he's an Avid Golfer. and. Obviously it's not for everybody right, but how many people do not an emmy all? Actually you talk about golf right now. It's been two weeks. Has Insane while he hasn't been saying he's been going golfing. He's litter been watching the endless youtube on how to golf. He has no idea he's just trying to get information from everywhere. You know people. Even that's present with. You weren't interested before. Maybe now they're like thirty. They WANNA take a Golfie. So there's there's a niche for everybody. Yourself out there, and that's what I think. The number one being is once you put yourself out there in just not care what other people think. That's when it's GonNa. grow because is just. Keeps you very I don't know you can't grow if if you care what people think you're not able to go. That's that's one of the. One. We talk about come come stuck to what they're going to. They're preconceived notion of like. You're in this box type. During a box can break it open. The door closes on the whole building. Tammy you're only here for like seventy eight years hopefully a hundred by I try to keep yourself on a box. Give a you are what you believe you really are. You know and I've been witnessed the people who like started with the hundred followers and I'm serious like I've I can give you like names of people that have started with one hundred followers that they're like. Thank you for listening or thank you for my. My subscribers and like they believe it and you're like. Oh well. Yes, she's getting or he's getting like thirty likes. Yeah, that's cool. Next thing you know because they believe then didn't care what anyone says now. They made it now. They're making an income out of social media or whatever it is at their. You know their business is so I think that's what keeps us going understanding that. If we believe it will come true. And yet. It's almost on cue. is episodes actually really good I'm really enjoying it, but already got the ten minute notice from Zoom I like this is too good to just be. We're the two parts all right. We'll continue until we haven't even started. No. Religious continue talking for the next ten minutes. An wants like it's a minute left Algiers. And in our could save it and we started. Cool and go get another shot yeager because you know the. One thing I wanted to was what you guys cetera now I googled it real quick. I can remember the name of it or you know like you said. You coming income, you could do wherever there's. This rule called a thousand troops fans by. Mid Gin, and it's literally the thing, is it most people go right is coming to make a million of this, and it's like okay religious. How much do you WANNA make off? Because you can make a million dollars, you might need two or three little puzzles to be able to get him in those. But, if you can make a hundred thousand dollars in America, you could live a great life. And it's the rule of a thousand true fans, because yellow thousand tree fans, and those people spend a hundred dollars on EUBOEA merch. Who said you have a live show in California Day and it's fifty bucks and your emerged is shirt and. I don't know. Water can fifty bucks. On, you made a hundred bucks. You need a thousand people. Supporting for one hundred dollars a year which if you couldn't break down? Is Not a lot of money? You make one hundred thousand a year. Obviously, not all of its profit. You're making a hundred thousand X. rated starts to grow in his people are what this guy has. Three million followers tell people I have. Listeners that don't have instagram that don't pass ocean. And I have people on instagram the following dead like my pictures, but they don't listen to the show so I'm trying to go is an audience not try to grow a instagram phone Yemi Yeah in the same thing, eagles connected like people see. Oh, you have two dozen others. They're more inclined to like you and follow your page than your hundreds, or it goes hand in hand. But at the same time you gotta see what you want. On My podcast page. I want listenership right. So how can I get these people to listen? I'm like okay. Let me share this kind of thing. I'm sure a lot of like stuff that I'm interested in its history matrix space. Because that's what island when these people check on my Patriot Shit. This guy likes what I liked or I like speeds. Let me check out his shoulders to talk about space started on here. On my food page or do I want to do. By my food, so do I share. Food because you gave me like I'll in. Other places that are bombed this place I eat. It are clump first off. I'm not a hater. The example I always use Internet I love it and. I don't go to now more than two tenths of monkey me. You could have out today and tomorrow. You might eat. McDonald's going. would. Keep? Your restaurant every single of the mud, so you can't or some or make it seem like that's all auction here right and. One thing that I think that kind of. The feedback I get is quite put them out there like because it's. I would eat it and if you trust me, tell you where somewhere else tweet did. Hollyman which was telling you. That march is not good. and. People get stuck in this. Pockets Dr to the days. When I started from podcast. What did they like their show more inches on? The national settings it's just. To Kill Time. You're not learning anything I mean. You're not like I'm educating. You might learn from stories. People share the stuff I. Share the mistakes. We've made a look. This is my friend have his business. He did this he didn't do that. He should have done this. Recession hit this time. You know. He bought us. You know they might learn like. I'm trying to educate trying to kill a few hours for them. And People get stuck on like. Why would you give other people the platform? Because A rising tide lifts all boats. You know everybody who who's telling you that people just people. Up on the stories like listening to this episode or whatever listen to this why? Because it's a show. Up That's what I mean, some people are stuck in his mentality like. It's the kind telling pizza. Slice and Inter sliced slice for you and we're like there's so much higher that everybody make their own pine you to cut a piece of your pie. Give to somebody else and you're is unaffected. Twenty four hours a day I release once every week. So if they listen to my show to the moment, it drops an hour later two hours later. Then looking to listen to. You got me so when I could tell them. Hey, look, this is what I listen to. They're like okay, so this is the stuff that where he gets some where he gets his information beginning. Ask just like. I say that as podcast life. When you? But when people feel like there's this. Limited pilot was limited supply or like this runs out. There's more. That's where a lot of like. down. There's so many shows. Let what I make a show. There's so many pockets Meka podcast. There's so many businesses so many people selling. And it's. Leaving Yourself. Gopher because somebody else is going to be. Seeing the same thing as you are and be like. I knew they're doing it, but I can do better and they're gonNA over. Like you, said mentality. Yeah, mentality, you know another thing that not everything is for everyone, and a lot of people have that limited, because it's a limited mentality where you think owns only you, and if anyone else does it or finds out about some other one, you will have success. It's limiting mentality and I've also noticed. With, social media, help people think. In are under the impression that because someone has a hundred thousand other making money, but with everything you really have to have that business type mentality whether you went to score. Not You truly have to have that mentality because I've seen people who have over a hundred thousand followers yet are probably not making one dime from social media in I've seen other people who have way less. I'm talking probably five to ten thousand followers, but already have a income. Income stream of income coming in from social media, all about like one your mentality, and to how you approach it whether that's social media, whether that's the your business at you're trying to alliance. It's all about how you how you think it becomes a reality and I think with social media it's that's a perfect example. I'm telling you I. See some people were like shoe. If I had that amount of followers, I swear to God I would be like. Property left and right. And, that's what's about linked. Example prime example. On the food page. That's not our customers, which all people that work. been following it to the rights amen with Tennessee said were. I can pay somebody to give me a shout at one of those meaning page one of those big as pages. Followers from York your. London what good does that do you know? Some of these pages, they got fifty thousand followers, and yet they're picture gets ten lights. They're not telling you. Is that you bought rather just grow it organically in the end of the day when they see, my flew to like okay I can drive down the street and go. Getty or you're not here. This weekend me your next we can. Keep Watt in Kansas I'll never gonNA meet. They're never gonNA. Drive out here and. You know whereas podcast. They could listen to anyone. So, I I'd never done it, but I would be open to some bitty. Promote 'cause delivery. Reach out to you Mike, okay. They got one hundred thousand followers. And left one hundred thousand followers. And they will tell us to hear. Okay. You Mike KOPPA. And they'll tell me like Oh, one hundred bucks for show. Cooled. Let me see dollars yet. What your engagement ring would stay. Comedy views your story to. Can view the right. There's a website we let their username end. It'll tell you it'll analyzer page for free. It'll tell you what's during Adrian Rain. You guys. Micro hose is brains. And neither little screen shot of it I give more on my podcast page without doing any of that, so same amount of. X. Amount New people, but how many of those you know, they follow me because they follow the they follow you because you post means and. Whatever you know like funny videos be like. All right, we gotta end it just because the timer is. A minute. Is I'M GONNA get a shot and I will be back on message. You guys when it's time for part two okay? Okay Bye.

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