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Making the Links with Wally Armstrong

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31:54 min | 4 months ago

Making the Links with Wally Armstrong

"Welcome to the good. The bad the jazz questions about the jurors may be a bit jaded in your attitude religion. Were you come. To the white place our host. He was an honors off be student. Ordained presbyterian minister planted three jerseys prestigious university. But now now you just aging margin who'd never quits asking the washington hose votes dr john. If you don't like golf don't hang up. I understand and if you don't like golf and you find yourself continuing to get to the golf course really. Don't hang up today. We're going to be talking about golf. But we're going to be making links to real life which could be sold changing for you for twenty five years of my life. I was the pastor and preacher. I built churches preached every sunday met with hurting people and try to be the real mccoy. In contrast to the charlatans who seemed to get the news headlines that i never coveted. Sometimes i would get the recordings of my sermons and listen to them. It was a horrifying experience. I was never able to say what i wanted to say. As clearly precisely in. Compelling as i wanted to in contrast listen to gray contemporary preachers who are communicating. The very things. I wanted to communicate. Why did they seem to be able to preach so much better than may was mistaken. In my sense of call to the ministry all my churches tended to grow in numbers and spirit and vitality. Shouldn't they be growing faster. Perhaps if i was more gifted more holy harder working in weiser strategically i would see more fruit from my labor. You know exactly what i'm talking about. Maybe he warned a preacher or a public figures submitting to the never ending commentary of critics around you. But you had the voices in your head telling you you aren't good enough smart enough talented enough or charming enough to make the grade. The let it beat you down. Today we get to learn from a man who has lived much of life in the rarefied air of gulf's elites he played in all four majors even setting a course record for the master's first time participant in nineteen seventy eight when he came in fifth. This man is a pro in many ways an author that accounted family man and has much more than a casual relationship with jesus christ while come. Wally armstrong to church ertz hand. Thanks to be with you wally. Gimme the elevator speech on what it was like to be a professional touring pro fifty years ago. Well he made. It was a life changing thing for me a dream come true from being a little Country boy from indiana and the cornfields playing a little nine hole course and caddying and started looking for golf balls and selling him over the fence. Escon my first job in in the business of and Found myself Thirty years later on the pga tour at the peak of the game from coming from that little background. But that's that's like almost. I feel like every man. That's every man's dream much as yours. You're this little guy in indiana in and you actually though i mean there's so much your story i wish we could. We can't tell your story today. We can just a little bit. I wanna hear you actually caddy. Let's start with you as a caddie you actually caddied for one of the greatest players of all time. How in the world tell me about that. While i was in college. I was getting my graduate degree. That was a brand new believer in christ in a university of florida tour player. Dave reagan asked me to speak at his house in orlando and share with the rawlinson stetson. Golf teams my story of faith. And i had given up the game and i talk to these guys and he said wally you know you need to use your platform golf. He said why. Don't you come out and caddie for me on the tour. I went out and caddy for him at the firt tournament at In north carolina. We had a bible study on the tour. I didn't realize there were guys on the tour meeting. Gary player was there. Gary and dave ragan myself and this time gary was already gary player right area. Mayor was yeah. He was like the i mean. I couldn't believe it. I was around this guy. This icon of the tour and dave said gary if wally could ever caddy for you to be mean the world of him. He's a college player in gary said. Well there's nothing against you all. But i haven't seen you caddy and you know it's a big business. I've never had another caddy except cricket which was his caddy and lo and behold we get. The pairings were paired with yuri player. The first day the second day and sunday and so we're talking and he's watching me caddy. In the next tournaments to byron nelson. Classic and i hitchhiked all the way to dallas from north carolina. And i get there on tuesday. Walk up to the clubhouse. Dave is there waiting for me at the front door. We walk in byron nelson is standing there. And he's working with dave's game so he says come in. Let's have lunch time. Having lunch with nelson and dave and there's arnold jack i mean this is gulf heaven you know the first byron nelson tournament about halfway through the meal. Dave looks over my shoulder. Gary players by the doorway going to the pro shop and motions dave over and dave comes back with the big smile on his face is you can't believe what happened. Jerry's caddy got sick back in north carolina and he wants to know of you can caddy for him so that was three weeks of an amazing journey to caddy. You know got the top bag. One of them Right out of the chute and so while he was such an inspiration and The the end of that story he he actually sends you a whole set of clubs. He actually the thing that was interesting about that. Is you see. He had a contract with a banana company. And i had to carry these big bananas in his bag so he could eat them during the round he was he with chiquita in so We did this. The first two and i forgot to take the bananas out in houston and he took him to our liens and they stayed in the bag and by his reindeer and gloves and so saturday it was raining on. Forget this most barely. You're talking about one of the most embarrassing moments in my life. I'm it's on my knees. Unzipping the bag and he had his umbrella and it was he says. Get my cleaned loves and my ranger. He calls me willy willy in a member zipping unzipping it in and i thought there was a dead possum in there and he just took his nose and he goes. What's the bag. All of his reindeer and laws are all stuck together. This black tar and that was the end of my caddie career but he did encourage me to He said if you're going to really have an impact for christ you need to go to the beaker profession and so that was my real encouragement and like you said even after blowing. The bananas with him. three weeks later when i got back indianapolis was a staff bag and woods and irons and balls and gloves from gary and it really came true because ten years later i was playing a practice. Round with him at the masters with Im- sevi- bella stairs. That's just one of those miracles you know for me you know. I said ahead of the show. I just can't let you keep going. Because the stories and people love hearing the stories of of the greats. And and i mean you spend your life really hanging out with these guys and and yet a lot of people haven't heard of wally armstrong mentioned that you set a record the first time you played the masters which in and of itself it's like i can't imagine the nerves of actually playing again everybody's dream just play. We have a mutual friend. Who's a theologian. Rc sprawl. i remember. He said you know one time he said. I'd give up all my books and all of my achievements academically if we're just just what One green jacket. I mean. I remember being so disappointed. The alot june would be so petty as throwaways. Let things in his mind. Tell me what it must have been like me your accomplishment of how many years you stayed on tour at ma many of our listeners are not don't know the insides of golf just staying on. The tour itself was a huge accomplishment there. Eleven lebanese levin years. Three hundred tournaments. You had to be in the top sixty money winners to retain your exception. And so i was able to do that And one year. I had six top ten finishes and You know Fifth in the master's thirteenth in the british open and and second in the western open chicago at And i made a grand total of sixty two thousand and that's Like last place now. Some tournaments That's when i asked you about what it was like fifty years ago. What i was thinking you were going to mention is if you had done what you did now. I mean really wealthy. Do about three million i think or more but even finishing fifth in the masters i made eleven thousand five hundred and last year v was four hundred sixty thousand which was more than i made in my whole career but but It was a great experience. John and the you know the the thing that hit it off in that masters the last round the last hole. I'm playing right behind gary player. Here's this guy. That i had totally blown it with the bananas and look at him in on the green last in any ran in that. Twenty foot. putt i'm standing. There's no in between me. And yeah. I'm in the fairway into see. Make that 20-footer give it the fist pump and did just think back ten years before. I'm on my knees just praying. God help me i. It was amazing. flashback you know. Well let's turn to why you were unchurched hurts and but actually go from. I just simply can't imagine looking at that leader list on monday or probably sunday evening and looking at all the names and everybody only knows number one and you look at yourself sometimes in your down there you know and people don't even realize the guy made the cod i mean that's that's a big deal itself but to see all these people ahead of you see the numbers printed in the newspaper. I mean how much did you beat up on yourself. I know it was I was just happy to be there. I think that that was the thing that just being out. There is coming from my background. It was such a blessing. And i look back and i think about the the the people i played with the the pro-ams you know the celebrities. I mean playing. Like four days with clint eastwood know at pebble beach Roger staubach mean you meet all these celebrities and when you get them on the front. They're nervous being around you. You know i played i remember. I played nine holes with jack. Lemmon sean connery and mike douglas. And they were like shaking because they were be around a tour player. But tell tell me how this performance thing you. You were christian from the time you were in college and you were involved with other christians onto were. We were significant men in your life. But you know we're missing a point. The you had to figure out later on. Tell me about that. i had a. I had a very difficult upbringing with an alcoholic father. That was very condescending. And and beat me up and told me as dumb and stupid. And so i might. I became so performance-oriented approved him. That i was worth something. I was going to make it and i was gonna prove to him and and I never meet his met his expectations. I tried so hard. And i when one tournament after another as number one in the state in wrestling as number one in the state and golf never got any. You know i'm proud of you. Or and so when i met christ In college i took the same zeal ahead towards a jesus and through counseling. I found out what i did. Is i put the face of my dad. On the face of jesus and i never felt like i was ever good enough for him and so when i played Tour there was inside. I was internal there was a lot of self condemnation. I was just striving so hard to to make it and I never really. I don't feel. I achieved my full potential as a as a pro because i wrestled so hard with this Image of of shame and inside anger and it really wasn't until later in life that i was able through counseling. Really deal with that That voice in the back of my head. You know there was a book that helped you talk to me about that. A guy basically a nineteenth century pritchard. Well i you know. I wrote the book in his grip. That sold i don the three hundred fifty thousand copies. I wrote a number of books. I spoke all over the country. But i just never felt like i was this authentic. I a christian. I just felt like there's something missing. And i was reading a book by dallas. Willard unspiritual disciplines. I mean i hate that stuff up you know Journaling and and memorizing scripture and reading the and yet. I found this book called the transforming friendship. Christ's that weather weather hit. I mean isn't leslie. Weatherhead was his name that wrote in nineteen twenty nine. Willard dallas willard referred to him. And when i got this book he just really expands that the the thing we that is missing with most people is. They don't have a clear picture of jesus in their mind. I certainly didn't. I thought i was never good enough to be around young. And i knew that he loved me but i didn't think he liked me. And so in this book he says to in your mind conceive mentally. Imagine this modern day person. What if jesus was here today and you met him and he just wanted to be your friend and fellow companion someone. You could really talk to walk within. Enjoy life with. And i'd never thought about that and he encourages you to pull up a chair and just imagined this modern day jesus personality and then to just begin to talk and to begin to to converse and And that happened in my den. Right here in two thousand and four when i just sat back in my chair and And he became real for the first time after thirty. Four years of of striving And working and trying to be a slave. I realized that that wasn't what he really wanted. He just wanted a friend and he offered that to me. Let me just highlight That book for a minute and even another point. Transforming friendship By leslie weatherhead. It reminds me of how we can get really good stuff from somebody who's not one hundred percent right wasn't weatherhead. Went on to really become a heretic. Oh yeah but in that book he really does help. You see things right right. The way he starts the book out itself basically A man asking jesus to come home. And jesus said take me your work. I mean the book's worth just that image of a magic ning how jesus responds to us. And how many people. While they do you and i know who've had to go through that struggle of trying to live a performance based faith of trying to get god to like them of trying to keep enough commandments of trying to be good enough in. How many ways can we say. That doesn't work right around the country for people that to deal with you know. I've had debbie. My wife and i opened a beautiful biblical counseling center. Here in orlando. It's been going for twenty six years. We opened it. Really for ourselves but selfishly. But i've really been able to go back and deal with my my Situation my father. And i've and i've been in through. Counseling have been able to go back and medium and confront and really. I got to a point where i just really had compassion on him through this system that they have in And that really freed me up when i could Could really go back in love. My dad and i couldn't even talk about it before. I mean i couldn't even say this to you i would break down and but there's a lot of freedom when you can get to a really solid biblical counselor. I mean i would encourage people that i've still got huge issues. You know because. I wrestle with those but It's only one i can. Just just pull up a chair. Wherever i am reward our. I'm going and just sit down and be quiet and listen to that. Still voice of of jesus saying it's okay. Just slow down right all what you did right there. While is something i find that. Very hard for preachers to do I one of those preachers. That i used to listen to that. I thought i wish i could be communicate as well as this man. He would talk about problems that he had in his failings in the past but always then bring it into a nice neat little bow. Those were promised he'd already figured out how to deal with. He never really talked about you. Know but i'm struggling now and this is you just did you know. I don't have it altogether. I really awesome struggling. That's hot. that's kind of transparency. That i think that's really hard for people to realize you may have learned those things in two thousand four over time but man. You're still working on it aren't you. I'm still yeah. I'm still working at this. Let me just distract you for a minute. Because we've had the privilege of playing a few rounds of golf together and and I'll just tell the listeners Whether or not you've heard of wally i. I don't know anybody that has a golf swing that you do while. Am and it just is one of the most beautiful things i've ever seen in my life. Do you happen to remember the first time you're hanging out with the top people in the world. Do you remember the first time you saw a double eagle. that's you. I'm i've never. You're the only person i've ever seen one ever in person in. Of course you don't remember but i but it was a far five with rc sprawl. And we had this match going. And i knocked up about four feet and for a a basically gimme eagle and then you hit it in the whole for a two and came up and said and gave me my eagle putt with a big smile on your face. I'll never forget that we're kind of golf course but Having been on tour all those years is in the but you. You wrote a book and i bet you he just is amazing though but you wrote a book the again and that's what people need to go out and get you can still get it. You can order it on amazon. You can get it on ibooks. Whatever in terms of mulligan. There was a time. I was playing up in this dive course. I don't think you know it. But actually it was run by dick groat and jerry lynch if you can imagine they own this little golf course in western pennsylvania and i was playing with this man by varsity sprawls. Just the two of us atma golf cart plan and we're hitting down to a par three over water little things stuck in the woods. We both hit the wrong club and he said okay. He was my boss at that time. They say okay. Let's take a molly. We both put down our mulligans. We both hit holes in one. True store you know the odds of hitting hole in one. We both hit a hole in one honor mulligan. No one else around to see it. But here's the point and for any of our listeners. Who know rc. Sprawl was one of my major teachers written like fifty thousand bucks but all he could talk about. The rest of the round was how his hole in one was better than mine and i brought up to him like thirty years later and remembered exactly was. He's your ball. Did this and spun up the hill. It's not supposed golf filled with the stories right. I mean i. He was the most fun guy ever played golf with. Of course i could never. I wanted to talk the allergy. Whether might all these questions. And i never could get get what you wanted to go. Golfs some but Now that's what's beautiful book about golf is you. Just it doesn't matter your handicap. It doesn't matter your occupation. I mean you can go out and enjoy golf Whatever level you are with you know with people and of course. I love playing with brothers like rc. And yourself and others and we have a A ministry. I started called links players links. Players dot com. Which is a wonderful website that we started. When i was on the pga tour and it has stories of all the guys that are christ followers on the tour and then be if people wanted to hear a little bit about my story they can go to my website at wally. Armstrong dot com. And that has my my story and a little bit more about my faith. And what have you on it and actually i should say to the golfers who were hearing this and this is oh see talk. Radio is one of the versions. This comes out on And if you're in orange county and a golfer and want to get more involved them you have a Links guy right it. Here derek wall you can look. Where would they find him. Players dot com if they go to lunch players dot com they have They have about eight staff around the country. There's maybe seventy or eighty country clubs that have small groups going and they go on that website they can find You know there may be a club in their area where there's a small group going and so that's kind of where my my heart is. Now is a continuing you're right. We're doing actually a movie of this spring or shooting. A movie on the mulligan book that will be a motion picture and And then as you mentioned. I'm with the payne. Stewart family foundation with the kids. Church program your cap ward in your honor so show us the real one. You gotta have it somewhere to actually locate this. This is the real the real thing at that pain one. It's got the nfl on it. Stetson hat i wear this. I play hickory golf now. And and i were in remembrance a him with my knickers so i got my knickers best player. Never great Is great story. That is in there is The kids program if they wanna go Get more about this program. They can go to paint. Stewart dot org. It's really neat. How the players are got behind this. The exhibition at pains valley. You know with rory and tiger They raised a million dollars in A third of that went to the payne stewart. Kids golf program. So we're going to be able to to produce a wonderful program for little kids in the church is now and reach them for christ while we were going to have to go in a minute I i want before i close. Tell me tell me another. Tell me another story that you liked telling from the men new on tour. Who are very serious christians. Tell me one more before we go. Oh gee there's there's so many that were out there. I could say one year. We had a good group. Going larry mize in and scott simpson and tom lehman and bernard longer. And one year we had We had three major tour winners. The first three majors from our bible group and i remember going into the pga championship. Which was the last one of the year. And tom watson came up and said hey. Wally was the bible study next week. A really wonderful thing about going out. There is spending those three hundred tournaments but yet seeing Personally seeing other men come to. Christ like larry nelson and bernard longer and scott simpson and and to see what they've gone on to be Been crenshaw's is a wonderful believer now and of course on the tour now. The bible studies still going. You've got zach. Johnson and you've got so many wonderful men out that her continuing to carry the carry the torch for for jesus through gov wally. I wanna thank you for being here. And just say a few words before i close today's show is titled making the links links courses in golf happened to be my favorite type of course engine. General has a distinct character. And sometimes there's quite a distance between one hole in the next new players on the course may even get law sp between holes going down the wrong path. Having to backtrack define the next d-box stopping long away. Embarrassed as they asked for directions making the proper lincoln. Life is a lot like that too particularly in your spiritual life. It's easy to connect the wrong dots associated one thing with another when maybe they shouldn't be together at all for wally. This included mistake in christianity. For christ is demanding earthly father for the heavenly father. Once he got that figured out he started making the links that really mattered. He found freedom. He can't keep to himself. He found a loving god who was his friend his counselor and his buddy and a profound and meaningful way. My hope for you today is that you can apply this to your own life. Are you missing key links connecting one thing to another. That doesn't need to be is a possible. The guide you dismissed wasn't the god of the bible at all but a perception. You got from a bad preacher. A painful experience you had with a misguided teacher the judgment you found from self spiritual leaders a church. that was more of a country club hole. Basis for church hurts and is rooted in what we've talked about today. It's easy for us to connect the church with hurt bad experiences and memories. We'd rather forget that. I also know that it doesn't need to be the end of the story. Ask wally ask me. Joseph's scriven was born in eighteen nineteen. I bet you've never heard of him if you heard of him. Wally educated at trinity amazing trinity college in dublin ireland and he became a teacher. Life was good for joseph and then he fell madly in love and he was about to wed when his wife to be on the day before his wedding was traveling to him fell in a river and drowned in the depths of grief. He moved to canada. I'm tempted to make a statement to my canadian friends. That i won't but there. He met and fell in love with elisa rice and once again planned to marry only weeks before the wedding elisa became sick with pneumonia and died. Joseph ended up taking vow poverty and lived a life of service to those who needed comforting. When news came that his mother in ireland was very ill that he didn't have the money to get back to her but rather than wallow in his sorrow he wanted to send her something so he sat down in penn. These words hoping she would be encouraged by them. While you may have never heard of joseph scriven unlike wally. I bet you've heard these words. What a friend we have in. Jesus all our sins and griefs to bear. What a privilege to carry everything to god in prayer oh would piece. We often forfeit. I wouldn't needless pain. We bear all because we do not carry everything to god in prayer. Have we trials and temptations. Is there trouble everywhere. We should never be discouraged. Take it to the lord in prayer. Can we find a friend so faithful. Who will all our sorrows share. Jesus knows our every weakness. Take it to the lord in for jesus friend now there is a link worth making and it's worth thought for church. This is john bash. Go and enjoy god today while you well that was worth on for sure brings us to the end of this addition of church next week rumor will be walked the versi during the pot of denial winding move up with our hose dr bags jeopar- withstand nonprofit ministry admitted killing for christian leaders at risk of leading visit us at sure and dot org until then remember kirk. Isn't this door now. Go into the joy. God today won't you.

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Making the Links with Wally Armstrong

OC Talk Radio

31:54 min | 4 months ago

Making the Links with Wally Armstrong

"Welcome to the good. The bad and the jazz you've ever had questions about. The jurors may be a bit jaded in your attitude to religion. You come to the white place. Our host he was an honors will also be student ordained a presbyterian minister planted three jerseys taught at a prestigious university. But now now you just aging who never quits asking the question. Why pose absurd roads dr john. If you don't like golf don't hang up. I understand and if you don't like golf and you find yourself continuing to get to the golf course really. Don't hang up today. We're going to be talking about golf. But we're going to be making links to real life which could be sold changing for you for twenty five years of my life. I was a pastor and preacher. I built churches preached every sunday met with hurting people and tried to be the real mccoy. In contrast to the charlatans who seemed to get the news headlines that i never coveted. Sometimes i would get the recordings of my sermons and listen to them. It was a horrifying experience. I was never able to say what i wanted to say. As clearly precisely in. Compelling as i wanted to in contrast i would listen to great contemporary preachers. Who were communicating the very things. I wanted to communicate. Why did they seem to be able to preach so much better than me was mistaken. In my sense of call to the ministry all my churches tended to grow in numbers and spirit and vitality. Shouldn't they be growing faster. Perhaps if i was more gifted more holy harder working in weiser strategically i would see more fruit from my labor. You know exactly what i'm talking about. Maybe he warned a preacher or a public figures submitting to the never ending commentary of critics around you. But you had the voices in your head telling you you aren't good enough smart enough talented enough or charming enough to make the grade. The let it beat you down. Today we get to learn from a man who has lived much of life in the rarefied air of golf's elites he played in all four majors even setting a course record for the master's first time participant in nineteen seventy eight when he came in fifth. This man is a pro in many ways an author that accounted family man and has much more than a casual relationship with jesus christ while come. Wally armstrong to church ertz. And thanks can be with you wally. Gimme the elevator speech on what it was like to be a professional touring pro fifty years ago. Well he made was a life. Changing thing for me a dream come true from being a little Country boy from indiana and the cornfields playing a little nine hole course and caddying and started looking for golf balls and selling him over the fence. Escon my first job in in the business of and Found myself Thirty years later on the pga tour at the peak of the of the game from coming from that little background. But that's that's almost. I feel like every man. That's every man's dream much as yours. You're this little guy in indiana in and you actually though i mean there's so much your story i wish we could. We can't tell your story today. We can just tell little bits. I wanna hear you actually caddy. Let's start with you as a caddie you actually caddied for one of the greatest players of all time. How in the world tell me about that. While i was in college. I was getting my graduate degree. That was a brand new believer in christ in a university of florida tour player. Dave reagan asked me to speak at his house in orlando and share with the rawlinson. Stetson gov teams my story of faith and I had given up the game. And i talk to these guys and he said wally you know you. You need to use your platform of golf. He said why. Don't you come out and caddie for me on the tour. I went out and caddy for him. The first tournament at In north carolina. We had a bible study on the tour. I didn't realize there were guys on the tour meeting. Gary player was there. Gary and dave ragan myself and this time gary player was already gary player right area. Mayor was yeah he was like i mean. I couldn't believe it. I was around this guy. This icon of the tour and dave said gerry if wally could ever caddy for you to be mean the world of him. He's a college player in gary said. Well there's nothing against you all. But i haven't seen you caddy and you know it's a big business. I've never had another caddy except cricket which was his caddy and lo and behold we get the pairings and we're paired with yuri player. The first day the second day and sunday and so we're talking and he's watching me caddy in the next tournaments to byron nelson classic and i hitchhiked all the way to dallas from north carolina. And i get there on tuesday. Walk up to the clubhouse. Dave is there waiting for me at the front door. We walk in byron nelson is standing there. And he's working with dave's game so he says come in. Let's have lunch time. Having lunch with byron nelson and dave and there's arnold jack gulf heaven you know the first byron nelson tournament. 'bout halfway through the meal. Dave looks over my shoulder gary players by the doorway going to the pro shop and motions dave over and dave comes back with a big smile on his face is you can't believe what happened. Jerry's caddy got sick back in north carolina and he wants to know of you can caddy for him so that was three weeks of an amazing journey to caddy. You know got the top bag. One of Right out of the chute and so while he was such an inspiration and The end of that story. He he actually sends you a whole set of clubs. He actually the thing that was about that. Is you see. He had a contract with a banana company. And i had to carry these big bananas in his bag so he could eat them during the round he was. He was with chiquita. In so We did this. The first two and i forgot to take the bananas out in houston and he took him to our liens and they stayed in the bag and by his reindeer and gloved and so saturday it was raining on. Forget this most barely. You're talking about one of the most embarrassing moments in my life amazon. My knees unzipping. The bag and he had his umbrella and it was. He says give my cleaned loves in my reindeer. He calls me. Willy willy in a member zipping unzipping it in and i thought there was a dead possum in there and he just took his nose and he goes what the bag all of his reindeer and gloves are all stuck together at this black tar and that was the end of my caddie career but he did encourage me to He said if you're going to really have an impact for christ you need to go to the beaker profession and so that was my real encouragement and like you said even after blowing the bananas with him Three weeks later. When i got back. Indianapolis was as staff bag and woods and irons and balls and gloves from gary and it really came true because ten years later i was playing a practice. Round with him at the masters with Imon sevi- bella stairs. That's just one of those miracles you know for me you know i. I sat ahead of the show. I just can't let you keep going. Because the stories and people love here in the stories of of the greats. And and i mean you spent your life really hanging out with these guys and and yet a lot of people haven't heard of wally armstrong mentioned that you set a record the first time you've played the masters which in and of itself it's like i can't imagine the nerves of actually playing again. Everybody's dream just play. We have a mutual friend who's a theologian c. Sproul i remember. He said you know one time he said. I'd give up all of my books and all of my achievements academically. If we're just just what One green jacket. I remember being so disappointed. The alot jin would be so petty as throwaways. Let things in his mind. Tell me what it must have been like me your accomplishment of how many years you stayed on tour at ma. Many of our listeners are not no. Don't know the insides of golf. Just staying on the tour itself was a huge accomplishment. There eleven lebanese levin years. Three hundred tournaments. You had to be in the top sixty money winners to retain your exemption. And so i was able to do that And one year. I had six top ten finishes and You know Fifth in the master's thirteenth in the british open and and second in the western open in chicago at And i made a grand total of sixty two thousand and that's Like last place now. Some tournaments That's when i asked you but what it was like fifty years ago. What i was thinking you were going to mention is if you had done what you did now. I mean you really wealthy. Do about three million i think or more but even finishing fifth in the masters i may eleven thousand five hundred last year. Fifth was four hundred sixty thousand which was more than i made in my whole career but but It was a great experience. John and the you know the the thing that hit it off in that masters the last round the last hole. I'm playing right behind gary player. Here's this guy. That i had totally blown it with the bananas and to look at him in on the green the last in any ran in that twenty foot. Putt i'm standing. There's no in between me. And yeah i'm in the fairway into a make that 20-footer and give it the fist pump and did just think back ten years before a mom. My knees just praying. God help me i. It was a basic Flashback you know what. Let's turn why you were on church hurt and but actually go from. I just simply can't imagine looking at that leader list on monday or probably sunday evening and looking at all the names and everybody only knows number one and you look at yourself sometimes in your down there you know and people don't even realize the guy made the cut i mean that's that's a big deal itself but to see all these people ahead of you see the numbers printed in the newspaper. I mean how much did you beat up on yourself. I don't know it was I was just happy to be there. I think that that was the thing that just being out. There is coming from my background. It was such a blessing and I look back and think about the the. The people i played with the the pro-ams you know the celebrities. I mean playing like four days with clint eastwood at pebble beach roger staubach. I mean you made all these celebrities and when you get him on the front. They're nervous being around you. You know i played i remember. I played nine holes with jack. Lemmon sean connery and mike douglas. And they were like shaking because they were being a tour player but tell tell me how this performance thing you you were christian from the time you were in college and you were involved with other christians onto were we were significant men in your life but you know we're missing appoint point the you had to figure out later on. Tell me about that. i had a. I had a very difficult upbringing with an alcoholic father. That was very condescending. And and beat me up and told me as dumb and stupid. And so i might. I became so performance-oriented approved him. That i was worth something. I was gonna make it and i was gonna prove to him and and I never meet his met his expectations. I tried so hard and when one tournament after another as number one in the state in wrestling is number one in the state in golf. Never got any. You know i'm proud of you. And so when. I met christ in college. I took the same zeal ahead towards a jesus and through counseling. I found out what i did. Is i put the face of my dad. On the face of jesus and i never felt like i was ever good enough for him and so when i played On the tour there was inside. I was internal there was a lot of self condemnation. I was just driving so hard to to make it. And i never really. I don't feel achieved my full potential as a as a pro because i wrestled so hard with this Self image of of shame and and inside anger And it really wasn't until later in life that i was able through counseling. Really deal with that That voice in the back of my head. You know there was a book that helped you talk to me about that. A guy basically a nineteenth century pritchard. Well you know. I wrote the book in his grip. that sold. I don't know three hundred fifty thousand copies. I wrote a number of books. I spoke all over the country. But i just never felt like i was this authentic. I a christian. I just felt like. There's something missing. And i was reading a book by dallas willard on spiritual disciplines i mean. I hate that stuff up. You know Journaling and and memorizing scripture and reading. And yet i found this book called the transforming friendship of christ that weather weather hit. I mean. isn't leslie. Weatherhead was his name that wrote in nineteen twenty nine. Willard dallas willard referred to him. And when i got this book he just really expands that the the thing we that is missing with most people is. They don't have a clear picture of jesus in their mind. I certainly didn't. I thought i was never good enough to be around young. I knew that he loved me. But i didn't think he liked me. And so in this book he says to in your mind conceive mentally. Imagine this modern day person. What if jesus was here today and you met him and he just wanted to be your friend and fellow companion someone. You could really talk to walk within. Enjoy life with. And i'd never thought about that. And he encourages you to pull up a chair and just imagined this modern day jesus personality will and then to just begin to talk and to begin to to converse and And that happened in my den. Right here in two thousand and four when i just sat back in my chair and And he became real for the first time after thirty. Four years of of striving and working and trying to be a slave. I realized that that wasn't what he really wanted. He just wanted a friend and he offered that to me. Let me just highlight That book for a minute and even in another point that transforming friendship By leslie weatherhead. It reminds me of how we can get really good stuff from somebody who's not one hundred percent right wasn't weatherhead. Went on to really become a heretic. Oh yeah but in that book he really does help. You see things right right. The way he starts the book out itself basically a man asking jesus to come home and jesus said not. Take me your work. I mean the book's worth just that image of imagining how jesus responds to us. And how many people while do you. And i know who've had to go through that struggle of trying to live performance based faith of trying to get god to like them of trying to keep enough commandments of trying to be good enough in. How many ways can we say. That doesn't work right around the country so important for people that to deal with. You know. i've had debbie. My wife and i opened a beautiful biblical counseling center. Here in orlando. It's been going for twenty six years. We open it really for ourselves but still fischler. But i've really been able to go back and deal with my my situation. My father and i've and i've been in through. Counseling have been able to go back and medium and confront and really. I got to a point where i just really had compassion on him through this system that they have in In that really freed me up. When i could Could really go back and love. My dad and i couldn't even talk about it before. I mean i couldn't even say this to you i would break down and but there's a lot of freedom when you can get to a really solid biblical counselor. I mean i would encourage people that i've still got huge issues. You know because. I wrestle with those but It's only one i can. Just just pull up a chair. Wherever i am reward our. I'm going and just sit down and be quiet and listen to that. Still voice of of jesus saying it's okay. Just slow down right all what you did right there while he is something. I find that very hard for preachers to do I one of those preachers. That i used to listen to that. I thought i wish i could be communicate as well as this man. He would talk about problems that he had in his failings in the past but always then bring it into a nice neat little bow. Those were problems. He had already figured out how to deal with. He never really talked about. You know but i'm struggling now and is you just did you know like i don't have it altogether. I really old. Tom struggling. That's something hot. That's kind of transparency. That i think that's really hard for people to realize you may have learned those things in two thousand four over time but man. You're still working on it aren't you. I'm still yeah. I'm still working just this. Let me just distract you for a minute. Because we've had the privilege of playing a few rounds of golf together and and I'll just tell the listeners Whether or not you've heard of wally i. I don't know anybody that has a golf swing that you do while. Am and it just is one of the most beautiful things i've ever seen in my life. Do you happen to remember the first time you're hanging out with the top people in the world. Do you remember the first time you saw a double legal. That's you i. I've never s- you're the only person i've ever seen one ever in person in of course you don't remember but i but it was five with rc sprawl. And we had this match going. And i knocked it up about four feet and for a a basically gimme eagle and then you hit it in the whole for a two and came up and said and gave me my eagle putt with a big smile on your face. I'll never forget that kind of golf course but Having been on tour all those years but you you wrote a book. And i bet you he dealt with just is amazing though. But you wrote a book the mulligan and that's what people need to go out and get you can still get it. You can order it on amazon. You can get it on my books. Whatever in terms of mulligan there was a time. I was playing up in this dive. Course i don't think you know it but actually it was run by dick groat and jerry lynch if you can imagine they own this little golf course in western pennsylvania and i was playing with this man by varsity sproles. Just the two of us. Atma golf cart flan and we're hitting down to a par three over water. Little things stuck in the woods. We both hit the wrong club and he said okay. He was my boss at that time. They say okay. Let's take a molly. We both put down our mulligans. We both hit holes in one. True store you know the odds of hitting a hole in one. We both hit a hole in one honor mulligan. No one else around to see it. But here's the point and for any of our listeners. Who know rc. Sprawl was one of my major teachers written like fifty thousand bucks but all he could talk about. The rest of the round was how his hole in one was better than mine and i brought up to like thirty years later and he remembered exactly was. He's europol did this and spun up the hill. It's not supposed isn't golf filled with the stories right. i mean i. He was the most fun guy ever played golf with. Of course i could never. I wanted to talk the allergy. Whether might all these questions. And i never could get get in you to go some but Now that's what's beautiful book about golf is you. Just it doesn't matter your handicap. It doesn't matter your occupation. I mean you can go out and enjoy golf Whatever level you are with you know with people and of course. I love playing with brothers like rc. And yourself and others and we have a ministry. I started called links players links players dot com. Which is a wonderful website that we started. When i was on the pga tour and has stories of all the guys that are christ followers on the tour and then be if people wanted to hear a little bit about my story they can go to my website at wally. Armstrong dot com. And that has my my story and a little bit more about my faith. And what have you on it and actually i should say to the golfers who were hearing this and this is oh see. Talkradio is one of the versions. Sis comes out on And if you're in orange county and a golfer and want to get more involved them you have a Links players guy right it here. Derek wall you can look. Where would they find him. Players dot com if they go to lunch players dot com they have They have about eight staff around the country. There's maybe seventy or eighty country clubs that have small groups going and they go on that website they can find You know there may be a club in their area where there's a small group going and so that's kind of where my my heart is. Now is a continuing you're right. We're doing actually a movie of this spring or shooting. A movie on the mulligan book that will be a motion picture and And then as you mentioned. I'm i'm working with the payne stewart. Family foundation with the kids. Church program your tap. I wore in your honor so show us the real one. You gotta have somewhere to actually locate this. This is the real the real thing the cap that pain one. It's got the nfl on it. Stetson hat i wear this. I play hickory golf now. And and i were in remembrance a ham with my knickers so i got my knickers bus player. Never great Is great story. That is in there is The kids program if they wanna go Get more about this program. They can go paint. Stewart dot org. It's really neat. How the players are got behind this. The exhibition they added pains valley. You know with rory and tiger They raised a million dollars in A third of that went to the payne stewart. Kids golf program. So we're going to be able to to produce a wonderful program for little kids in the church is now and reach them for christ while we were going to have to go in a minute. I i want before i close. Tell me tell me another. Tell me another story that you liked telling from the men new on tour. Who were very serious christians. Tell me one more before we go. Oh gee there's there's so many that were out there. I could say one year. We had a good group. Going larry mize in and scott simpson and tom lehman and bernard longer. And here we had We had three major tour winners. The first three majors from our bible group and i remember going into the pga championship. Last one of the year. And tom watson came up. And said hey. Wally was the bible study next week. A really wonderful thing about going out. There is spending those three hundred tournaments but seeing Personally seeing other men come to. Christ like larry nelson and longer and scott simpson and to see what they've gone on to be Ben crenshaw's is a wonderful believer now and of course on the tour now the bible studies. Still going you've got zach johnson. And you've got so many wonderful men out that are continuing to carry the carry the torch for for jesus gov milwaukee i wanna thank you for being here and just say a few words before i close. Today's show is titled making the links links courses in golf happened to be my favorite type of course engine has a distinct character and sometimes there's quite a distance between one hole in the next new players on the course may even get lot between holes going down the wrong path having to backtrack define the next teebox stopping along. The way embarrassed as they ask for directions making the proper lincoln. Life is a lot like that too particularly in your spiritual life. It's easy to connect the wrong dots associated one thing with another when maybe they shouldn't be together at all for wally. This included mistaken. Christianity for christ is demanding earthly father for the heavenly father. Once he got that figured out he started making the links that really mattered. He found freedom. He can't keep to himself. He found a loving god who was his friend his counselor and his buddy and a profound and meaningful way. I hope for you today is that you can apply this to your own life. Are you missing key links connecting one thing do another. That doesn't need to be is a possible. The guide you dismissed wasn't the god of the bible at all but a perception. You got from a bad preacher. A painful experience you had with a misguided teacher. The judgment you found from self-professed spiritual leaders a church. That was more of a country club hole. Basis for church hurts and is rooted in what we've talked about today. It's easy for us to connect the church with hurt bad experiences and memories. We'd rather forget. I get that. I also know that it doesn't need to be the end of the story. Ask wally ask me. Joseph scriven was born in eighteen nineteen. I bet you've never heard of him if you heard of them. Wally educated at trinity amazing trinity college in dublin ireland and he became a teacher. Life was good for joseph and then he fell madly in love and he was about to wed when his wife to be on the day before his wedding was traveling to him fell in a river and drowned in the depths of grief. He moved to canada in. I'm tempted to make a statement to my canadian friends. That i won't but there. He met and fell in love with elisa rice and once again planned marry only weeks before the wedding elisa became sick with pneumonia and died. Joseph ended up taking vow poverty and lived a life of service to those who needed comforting. When news came that his mother in ireland was very ill that he didn't have the money to get back to her rather than wallow winners sorrow. He wanted to send her something. So he sat down and penned these words hoping she would be encouraged by them. While you may have never heard of joseph scriven holly. I bet you've heard these words. What a friend we have in. Jesus all our sins and griefs to bear. What a privilege to carry everything to god in prayer oh would piece. We often forfeit. Wouldn't needless pain. We bear all because we do not carry everything to god in prayer. Have we trials and temptations. Is there trouble everywhere. We should never be discouraged. Take it to the lord in prayer. Can we find a friend so faithful. Who will all our sorrows share. Jesus knows our every weakness. Take it to the lord in for jesus friend. Now there is a link worth making and it's worth a thought for church ertz. This is john bash. Go and enjoy god today you well. That was worth a thought pursue or brings us to the end of this addition of church and next week rumor will be walking on the versi during the pot of denial winding move up with our homes john. Upper withstand nonprofit ministry admitted killing for christian leaders at risk of leading visit us at sure and dot org bill. Then remember hurt. Isn't story now. Go into the joy. God today won't you.

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