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"Choose go. That's chai. Crazy. It in insane album is making a lot of noise. We have this is from the cheap seats and our guest. This week is best selling New York Times. Bestselling author is written so many great books about sports civilly about our team in and Michigan and whatnot. But it's a window onto larger sports. He wrote a great book about Penn State. He wrote another book outside of sports called the great Halifax explosion. John u bacon. A new book about big time college football as seemed to the prison in lens of university of Michigan. But before we get him in nNcholas cage later on the show top tak- of the week. Jay, well, we're gonna talk about the Kate Smith sort of controversy that his. Nuanced. It's crazy. You know, this has been one of the hardest things for us to break down under stand. If you don't know what's going on Kate Smith. And by the way, I think it's a good thing that it's nuanced and difficult because not every argument you pick the exact this, by the way isn't a morning arguing arguing show where you have to take a side just for the sake of arguing with another per let's look at the nuances of the situation. He's time situations really hard to decipher and we're going to try and on sort of peel back the onion layers right now Kate Smith famously sang, God bless America. She was a singer who came up in the thirties and forties and fifties. I think in the sixties she saying God bless America at a flyers game. It became this iconic performance of Philadelphia Flyers hockey game. They lose and our member like five. Fine. Try and find if you can find, you know, people talk about that. I conduct performance of that song, and they would use it to whip fans up at flyers games. They again, the New York Yankees starting using it. But it was such a big thing for the Philadelphia Flyers. They built a statue of her out in front of the stadium, and she became sort of this ancillary, non hockey playing character within the lore of the Philadelphia Philadelphia. Flyers definitely connected with sort of a whooping up of sports fans for the Yankees as well. And it was because she saying so impassioned -ly with so much passion this on God bless America. I guess people thought will there are very few things that are sort of you know, Goblets America. Unlike the national anthem was not being protested by people it was something that kind of stood on its own that people are like, hey, it's Gaba. Whether you're the only people who probably could stand up and say something or atheist who are like, I don't believe in God. Yeah. But fine, you wanna say God bless America. You wanna Rupe up the crowd in the seventh inning seventh-inning stretch Anki games? You wanna do it before flyers game? You wanna get people jacked up fine. Well, now, there's an issue because people are finding songs that Kate Smith recorded here. It is. Coming out. We'll get to it. So now, they're finding songs from Kate Smith that she sang in the nineteen thirties that have very out even say racist undertones verbally racist. Like, what's the darkies were born? It's even like it's hard to say who you're going to have to pick the cotton who you're going to have to all these things that are overt now. She didn't write the Senate. Right. The way that song was seen as a Cirque casting song Paul Robeson who was a black athlete in a Civil Rights Act of sarcastic satire, racial satire. Yes. Racism. So who knows the intent with which she saying that's on. We don't know because none around anymore to ask chant out. What her you know, Randy? And I know this to be true as comedians. What is the intent that is the most important thing ghetto as she's walking out on the ice and just whipping her hands around and just waving and pointing and looking at people there. Freaking out because she's about to go. Sing the song nine nineteen seventy four when the street bully played the Bruins in the Stanley Cup on may nineteenth. Which is what we're approaching almost almost forty five year fifty five years later. So she kicked it. With the organist. That's banned. Yeah. So anyway, so she this is a very emotional song for the fans, and and and a very emotional February's there. However, you now digging into her past this isn't like going seven years back indicates miss Twitter and finance couple of tweets again. She also didn't write the songs she can write the songs, and we're was capitol records saying, hey, maybe we shouldn't do a song that this this derogatory towards black people when the record industry was pretty progressive universe. Right. As music and music at the time. So you say to yourself hang on a second. Like, there should have been some other people in place who should have said, hey, maybe don't do this. But she did it anyway. And so as a result today now people are uncomfortable with the fact that there is a Kate Smith statue outside of the fire stadium, and I can understand people being uncomfortable. Here's the nuance comes I can understand people being uncomfortable by that what I think, and there's maybe only one way to solve it do. They're going to get rid of the statute, they're gone. They're severing ties with her which I don't necessarily know if I agree with that. Even j I would say move the statue to a Philadelphia Flyers museum, and I would say right up all the re the realities of the situation. I would try to get interviews with people about her life. I would try to understand who she really was. And what I would dig in and investigate her attitudes towards, you know, the accusations that are being leveled against her and do your best to investigate and find out where she fell on the spectrum was she just singing songs of the day. And this is unfortunate reality that the song. She sings make people uncomfortable. If that's the case, then let's talk about that. Exactly. You don't throw the baby out with the bathwater. I think again intent is such a big thing to really get to the bottom of her intent of seeing that's on and her history as a person was she erases person was she someone who or was this just something that was happening back, then she recorded, and we don't know. And I'm saying so. Oh, before we know we can't get rid of everything we say again take the statute which existed for a long time outside the arena. If it's making some people uncomfortable because it is a business you're trying to make as many people comfortable as possible and trying to put the focus into what you're doing. So if you take the statue and putting some sort of sports, you know, if there is a museum Philadelphia's port Newseum, maybe it's even inside the arena, and you talk about that chapter. And then I say currently you can still do God bless America. But what if you did it with an all black choir like, a make it that sort of a song? So that again, you are acknowledging that there were ties in certain ways that make people on creates a new memory create the new memory, and and literally still have it be a charge song. That means something to people that the song means something to people and don't sing it. Yeah. I mean what Liz oh on it. It would be I would love that. And I do think that that would say, hey, we acknowledged that their stuff going on. And what we'd like to do is try and mend that in some way. Possible. And one way we can do it is by having African American sing this song in to me would be what acquire in hockey. Normally you just here. Rush songs which I love, but I'm saying a choir and all black choir at a hockey game that that to me would be there. Lauren more African American and African Canadian they're more and more black players in the NHL. We are seeing that as time gum black fans. So I mean, why not why not try and open that door right there. And and not defend this thing. But actually say let's move the discussion to a new level. And let's not also condemn Kate. Smith is a racist. Because we don't know we don't know we do not know what we need to do is discover who she was as a person before we make that condemnation. And so as a result, we can still honor the fact that she did the song and it meant something. But in the future, we do a little something different in terms of in terms of how we move forward with this whole thing, and you acknowledge it all right? This is KOMO take care of this is Krung been when we come back on the other side of this John bacon. And then later on the show. Nncholas cage cannot wait for you to enjoy this. And I love the song. And again, I love anxious to hear your thoughts on on our first take as well as the chiefs. All right, guys. I gotta talked about my quick Mike quip is my favorite thing in the world. I just got my new brush heads sent to me new batteries. I got my kids new brush heads into our on the program every couple of months, this new brush, it feels like a brand new toothbrush. Talking, of course, about the quip electric toothbrush. It is the best toothbrush for people who travel like me. It's like I could travel with an electric toothbrush enough to bring the bay. There's no base because it's battery operated sleek it fits on the inside of my medicine cabinet. It is amazing. I get the best brush with this thing. Like, I said, I was never replacing my brush heads ever before. 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Three, and that was the rich Rodriguez book, which was unbelievable basically, how Michigan kinda did retried is a little bit wrong. But it was a confluence of lot of semi is really a book about how daybreak mismanaged the entire situation. And how he then went on book. Because it's really about college football that one's end zone. Now, it is rich rat bozo lessons three now. It is rich Rodriguez. How just went by the way, the subtitle is Richard Regis and the Michigan wolverines in the crucible college football now and being interviewed on a show summer this. But not quite as highfalutin, of course from a state university. I will not name the guy kept on saying I'm talking to near times bestselling author John you bake and the author of three and out rich Rodriguez and the Michigan wolverines in the cubicle of college. Correct. The guy just run. It's like when it's like when Mary J Blige on entre afterwards like came up to Jay was so nice route said my I all week. I was kind of fan blowing out say, you're great. I know I said, I'm a big fan of yours. And I really didn't wanna like, you know, over league. Do it. The first day we saw you. But it's been an honor to work with you this week and keep making the great music and art that you make K I said something really nice to her Mike examine the show was what was my character's name. Jeff, and yours was him. Jim. She looked at me put her hand on my shoulder and a very sincere way. Look me in the eye and said, thanks, Jim. And I said it's Jeff because I literally. What are you gonna say? Civil can't double crack. Let me make the little fix that. I can make a guy on to promote your you can't say, it's. Moron. It's a poor. All the way one of one of the saddest plays. I've ever seen was the cubicle. Yeah. Very sad. Religious play. Arthur Mailer, Neil. Arthur Mailer nail building he kneeled. He know that we are very excited talk to right now in this moment because there's a lot, you know, college football, you know, the landscape across the board. Obviously, you see a lot. The Michigan lands. But you know, the whole the whole thing is a in many ways for for many people it is our school. And so we are predisposed to really kinda wanna know everything about it so much about it that I listened to the WT K A the ticket on my Himalayas app. I've gotten so I listened to as I walk around and walk the dog, and do whatever it is my catharsis to listen to Sam Webb and IRA Weintrob, and you and many others talk about Michigan sports. I'm so proud and happy that they took and chopped up the morning show into podcast bite-size forms that people who don't live in Ann Arbor. Can tell Michigan can consume out here. So I listen to it on that level. And I love how much they love you. But it is a metaphor for all college sports, certainly creating time program recruiting and all that other stuff so big stories going on right now. That's why we're so excited to have you number one. And this is of the bombshell that dropped his that in an investigation case about basketball, ask balls basketball. Now, of course, like all these investigations other information comes out there was a witness who is complying with them. Who said that he specifically. Right pay or some people that he worked with our new paid football players at Michigan at Penn State at Alabama north north northwestern friars wasted money on the north northwest release. Go cats jailed is actually putting but that they that they pay those place between the years of two thousand and two thousand thirteen. Didn't pay Michigan enough in those years. Those are not great year. But we know that that's going on right? We're not turning a blind eye to that. No happened. But I guess the question is did the coaches, no that's the hall, quite what's the actual connection between the program and this person to the person just act on their own and try to then what happens how do we sort this out? So I want to hear your thoughts on this few things one. I'm here in the same severe hearing. Of course now this seems to be actual testimonies. And my guess is this guy is fact as legit. So I don't know the guy's name yet. So we don't know how credible etcetera. But it sounds like it's going that direction. He hasn't named any names yet or that we exactly so let's wait about that too. But within this this actually happened before even under the Austira legally. Correct Beauchamp Boeckler garland rivers one of his all American players took money from an agent. Bo found out about it into the office and said, you know, you're done here at Michigan has of lunch. Yeah. So that's that. And there's a court. Case in Chicago after that, it's in the Bose lasting lessons book. So not the first time if it is true. It's not the person that has happened that question become a wildcat agent. If you will talking to one player solo or is it going through coaches if the latter then you've got a huge problem. Then you're talking about a problem that on the level of like Rick Pitino everything else. Rick Pitino where he is like, whoa Hama. You can't be like, I don't know what's going on with my assistance. You know? What? I mean, he tries it every time does and I stress every time. Listen. I mean, he's he's not coaching in college basketball. Anyway, he clearly didn't survive the the scandal. Finally, you know what I'm saying? You're called interviewed Rick Pitino for a week in ninety five when his Kentucky in Lexington. And I gotta tell you. I'm not fooled very often. But he had a great stick. And I bought it. And I wrote it and the head turns out one too many hot Browns. Yeah. Well, we have. He bent you over a table. And of course, his affair, you know, a woman on a restaurant table. Let's assume after the plays closed. I don't know. Deal on the table. Whether. Feet and role for him. This right, happy happy minute. So that's no bread. Bottomless chess. Oh too many launch. But his great line about that on the the segue here was that was is first and only time. Yeah. What? What having sex the woman on restaurant table at midnight. That's not a rookie move. That you have to level three four John it before this many black belt, but you're getting that Andy Pettitte, you only use steroids. That's the one time used okay? You're good. You're good. So so what's what happened is? He names get name. That's my question. Well, first of all, if it's let's assume whoever these people are they have to be pretty good you'd think chances now these guys are impact players. We're purely guessing here to be clear if that's the case then than pitchers come down jerseys come down on someone if they are all Americans and the good news is we didn't win any banners those. Yes. Those are all safe and coaches are long gone too. I mean cars still around the program. I was inside the program from two dozen eight twenty ten for the rich Rodriguez years. There's there's I would be shocked beyond shocked if any of that money was going through the coaching staff. We really got I mean, and again we had such a small cursory interaction with rich rod. But when we did I truly really liked him. I thought he was he got a bad rep. Yeah. He made it almost steaks and the program almost accents to be clear, but the general tag on him was not fair. No. At the end of the day. If you're even as Liz up sixty points, and then I go well anyway, but that's different set. Yeah. I mean, Don rounds defense just let let up sixty point that is very true onto defend was number two or three in the country at that point. And so I mean, it just making that that much more difficult. But I if I'm guessing right now, if this is in fact, true, let's wait for that. If it is true. My guess is right now, it seems to be a solo Wildcats where unscrupulous agents pain guys ten thousand bucks like chump change to say, hey, go here because it's a place that I want you to go to because I've got 'cause I wanna be your agent, right? Self interest right now that again, if any fingerprints from Michigan or northwestern or Penn State, are it seems so odd Rams are like the purest ones out there. So Alabama mentioned in there as well. Well, here's what I've heard about it notice my paw. Here's the four pure ones. Also, we've heard this about SEC schools. I don't know if you've heard the story of maybe it's just a rumor going around that like a lot of SEC schools will to pay players will leave like a stack of like casino chips chips to the latest thing right in someone's like in a family members doorway, and it's like no the casino. And then there's the laundering system that's a laundry and system, and you can do it piece by piece by chips little silver suitcase. Yeah. And you're good to go different family members. So it's not the same person doing it. Every time from the university is dropping that off. Right. Some it's somebody else truly monitor from heaven and good luck. What how did these truck by the way, they are legit in that you go to the casino, and you can cash them in by somebody? And so it's not like the casino is losing money seen as happy. It's just not gonna look for it. There. The reason why would they dig into that? Exact. And they gotta look at every single person who's coming to cash in chips, you go to the table. You play a couple of games. And then they say if you're really smart, you say, you know, what on the way out the door. Let's try a little black feel lucky right, by the way, losing a little bit is actually the right thing. Because you've given it back to the house and the no one's really gonna question. Noble thing. There is a system in place for that would because for that you funnel money to the churches. Because no southern politicians ever gonna go after church, that's political suicide weird exemptions. That don't they don't have to pay or announce this donation that was like that's right through my new shirt about let's say you gotta banged up two thousand eight Dodge Ram pickup truck. You know, what you might need some new tires, and that thing let's take it down to the Mercedes dealership. And while I'm getting new tires. Here's a loner. Uh-huh. A brand new s-l? And when the tires come in world, let you know. Right. And the tires just never come in. That's hard tire to find. Thank you contain for four to six year. We are Mercedes dealership, sir. Right. So we don't do a lot with Dodge Ram around. Here. Do you remember the picture of? And I was just watching this because I want to move on to the draft. But I remember the there was a picture of Eric Dickerson like SMU just on SMU's campus, and we looked in their football field. It was beautiful grateful. Field kinda just popped up out of nowhere. But the Eric Dickerson like in his trans AM that he got from the local car pitcher that in the resume. No, remember that that picks you can find that on the internet came with a bunch of Jerry curl, and like straight up this like smoke in the bandit like gold transam milking, the bandit Jerry curl, bring them back by right? Both spanky. Right. Both. Hey, mom jeans are back. Mom needs are back there. Backing, but but the idea that like, okay. So and I was watching the draft. And I was watching the whole thing about the eighty three draft that thirty for thirty is fantastic is by there. No bad ones. But that one. Early in my class because it was it splaine's almost the whole damn thing. Almost everything going on before during and after like, this is how the whole thing was as well as how a draft works. Like, I was also amazed at like Pete Rozelle was just such a figure that you understood how the NFL work there was that weird moment where the NFL made a call and put the Khyber on the Dallas deal, which was we I think it was the Dow's does somebo- one deal. They they called in. Suddenly that deal wasn't like because douse is ready to move and trade Danny white, which the colts would have taken because Kush coached him at Arizona state, saliva Cush Cush he was able he wanted to take Danny white. And so that would have actually made that whole thing workout number eleven but Elway having the lengthwise on one of the only quarterbacks maybe an NFL history to be a quarterback and punter one of the few. I'd forgotten. He did both. He is pretty good. He was good. But they didn't like him after a while. Like the Cowboys didn't like me MO when we. Grew up. We kinda grow with the end of starbuck, but then into Danny white. So we only knew the Cowboys is having Danny white. And he was great. He was good. So we never understood the Mazda. Yeah. Disappointed, and it was weird for people in Texas to hate a white guy. Yeah. Exactly. Well, they had Randy white could put all their stuff like that way. White guys quarterback in the Cowboys. They loved their whites. They love their. I mean, it just fascinating to hear how it all went down and always sort of thoughts and stuff. So as we are on basically, we're recording this now before the draft the draft is going to happen on yesterday when this drops and the day today as it's dropping on this Friday and Saturday and whatnot. So what we talk about some Michigan players. There's the rumor mill of like there was the rumors that Dan Marino was on drugs and people are like he's on drugs, and they would ask Jim covert his covered. Hey was he on drugs and JIMBO covers like, no, that's bullshit. But that rumor sometimes it's like when a lawyer says something, and then they motion to strike, and it gets stricken. But it's already been out there. So. Sorry heard it. So we're Sean Gerry maybe one or two negative rumor campaigns going on about him right now. One the Wunderlich his score on the liquid was incredibly. That's the rumor anyway, right? You don't know a nine. What do you know him? Have you everywhere act with him? I've interviewed him seems like a smart kid. But is it shameless promotions? We got both three now fourth and long about Penn State endzone about Dave ran almost killing the program on his book. And now the next one comes out in the fall over time Jim Harbaugh on the Michigan wolverines at the crossroads of college football. And Rashawn Gary's one of my eight players I focus on during the season along with Devin Bush, also probably going to be a first rounder. Sure. All right resign. Gary seventh-grade diagnosed with dyslexia severe end has a mom with no money. And no dad found a dyslexia centre that he went to every day after school. He ran there. So we get from there to practice afterwards. And I gotta see the first time and his mom said you can't play football this weekend. Never got to see again. So get a three point eight. Five in high school and got a three point two or one or two in college. Yep. He's a I m all big ten two years in a row, maybe three now some as taking four classes whenever else takes three, right? So, but he is dyslexic. Right. Look I have to look at a text four times before I hit send. That's what dyslexia is right. They tend to be very smart to look at dick pic eight times before I send it. That's right. That's pointing right. If you're just. Dyslexic. Where does it start saying? I'm not making fun of this. We are. We are. But the whole point is that like those tests and standardized test or a standardized test like the Wunderlich, which could be the SAT for the NFL, you know, or the L sat for the NFL. I've always said like the L said doesn't tell you how great of a lawyer be it doesn't even tell you how well you're going to do in law school. It's just like a weird hurdle that you have to jump to get over there. Then once you're in law school, the type of law student, you are doesn't tell you what type of lawyer you're going to be even it may tell you where you get hired. But like the lawyer you're going to be may have nothing to do with. Get more the Wunderlich is kinda test because Vince young scored historically low on the wonder Ling, and then he came out and did pretty well in the league, then he left his wallet or fell phone at apple be earth spent eight thirty thousand dollars Applebee's, and that he left his cellphone somewhere they committed to back it up, though, three hundred thousand dollars an applebees party how for three thousand dollars you could actually. Steakhouse. But yeah. So the Wunderlich score. I think Intel's more about you. If you do really well that you may be can think outside the box, and because isn't it? What is the Wunderlich? Can you take it? Okay. It's a pretty random aptitude test. You know, leaving tip on thirteen dollar Bill things like that. And I taught. The man I killed it. Come on, man. What you get. The problem was my forty. Okay. So you're shuttle run was one. On the one. I read was did it was out of fifty got forty seven or forty eight. Well, but you can do it drives me. Yes is not a lodge. No one's giving me a PHD for this cell. I, but anyway, but I think his was twenty five points the current ones twenty five point, right? So to make clear, but I've taught they all said the gene met and I've seen back to your point. I Jason I've seen really smart people screwed up many times. Sure, you panic in that game days like Haji get, you know, a thirty on this thing forty-eight Neil days. But I've never seen an idiot fake forty eight. Right. So you know, what I was saying if you do will then it's probably an indication that you are that's Martin, but you can't necessarily take a low scores. So anyway, and again at Michigan at all universities. I'm sure if you have dyslexia, you get a piece of paper, I teach there on the side. Get a piece of paper, you know, says I'm dyslexic, bubble blah. And you have accommodations for these people, obviously. And i'm. Well, you give give him extra time to take. It takes more time for this. I have no idea that really wasn't score. I mean who knows? Yeah. We don't that's one thing could be a battery. That's negative. I what's the second. Rumor Laborem torn labrum that jet is certainly gotta banged up shoulder. I know that now the question was the debate was during his he played three years of Michigan second and third year twenty seventeen in two thousand eighteen some folks that he should get offered on then going into an eighteen to make sure it's out of the way and you lose spring ball. But so what he's clearly fine. And then the same question came up after this season says he blew off the bowl game, you're pretty much free after the state game. So get that surgery, and he did not. So and part probably to kill it to the combine which he did kill it killed at the combine. And that's after that people talking about number two or three even at that point. So now the question is, you know, how bad is it doesn't need surgery. Will you have to miss the first year it cetera et cetera et cetera. Now, my guess is in Prague into the season. And do it right after exactly. Do you think he so you think his I mean what I'm hearing about Devin Bush is like Louis Riddick saying things like this guy's going up? He's the best player in the draft. He might be picked in the first six for ten. It's unbelievable. If he and cruising up from like the twenties. Right. And they were saying maybe he'd be maybe a Pittsburgh at right eighteen or whatever. Yeah. Twenty or whatever twenty one. But like he might he might crews up there in and Gary might go down. But still I mean, it's it's remarkable that we're sitting here saying like these two players, and it shows you how great the team was both on defense, of course, the heart under replace is gonna be Devon Bush. Yeah. Actually, I mean, you're showing Gary in and out of games this last season for Michigan. He'd already been replaced many times by quit pay and Josh OJ. If you're a hardcore college football fan, they've already got that more or less covered in the middle. You saw it happened when he was out a few plays or in the peach bowl against Florida. And there you go Gators without Devin Bush in their men that whole was obvious. But guessing. You're Sean Gary's case, you'll still go in the first round, he'll still be a millionaire. He is a smart guy. I've been around him. He's also a one of a person us love this kid Amazon series. You gotta pull for the guy. You do in everything that he said about an he's a good leader to. I mean, I think people to him. So and dog on it people like, yes, it's so funny because we're on the precipice of this of the NFL draft is such a big deal. The fact that like now ESPN used just carry like the for you know, I just I'm here in town. We're doing the ESPN college football one fifty comes out in the fall with friends yours, I think eleven episodes plus another eleven greatest of the Yanks. It's they got trucked classroom for crying. Thanks. All the grades the Heisman Trophy winners. And so on Archie manning. They've got him on this show. I tell you about his recruitment. He was on his way to class at ole miss. They gave him a New Orleans jersey took a photo and went to class. There was no room. Right. Yeah. His draft pick. They're like, hey, take a picture with this wasn't radio. No. And now it's such big business because people are really into the. Because I think what it connects with this reason why recruiting has blown up as something is that it taps into something that lays in every single fan. No matter how bad your last season was and that is hope and that is improbable hope against all, you know, realities of your world when it's in the abstract before a single snap is snapped. You get to look at tape of guys in college. If you're a pro fan, we guy. The guy. Well, it's kind of nice in that it actually for a second. Because there's so much pressure on the coaching staffs, which I know you've been around. This next book talks about it. Like, he was the. Your pal Jim Harbaugh. Thank you very much. Well, he's been he's on him to come in and deliver national championships. From the beginning is insane. And I think the flip side of that is if you look at their record teams record in the last four years that he's been here. I think if the eighth best in all of college football, which by the way, the previous seven years. It was not no maybe a hundred thing about Ryan day, you know, and and the pressure that's going to be on him. I mean, if you wanna be him, I would not want to be him either. How do you top? It. You can't by the way, he's won like sat bad hit away in terms of his quarterback because all transferred now portal, right? The transfer polar portal, which you know, some coaches are crapping all over. But the idea that like, you know, they're one bad hit on their quarterback away from having to play a walk on. I mean, it's it's unbelievable and unbeknownst to like, you know, Ohio. Say this head three quarterbacks that have been great for the last several years won the national title went in two thousand fourteen with three by the backup. Unbelievable. So I'm saying there's a tremendous amount of pressure on that guy even like Kelly every year at Notre Dame. There's name it's Notre Dame is trying to even Pat FitzGerald who's done a fantastic job north in the last few years, but starts out the season losing two or three games. And everyone's like cut his head off not everyone know and north western you are safe. I know and they just built that new facility and whatnot. So it's, but you look at a guy like like, Daboh Sweeney, and you look at a guy like Nick Sabin right now. I mean, it's pretty Iranian are saying the worst thing for any sport is to be able to predict the national championship before the season starts and. Yeah, the last three years there, you are next year to argue it I would not against either one of those can you argue it you got to young up and coming yet now experienced quarterbacks at the height of two teams that have insane defenses that just reload instead of. You know, Alabama and Clemson are just those teams Clinton, and they have crap schedules. Crap schedule Alabama's got a tougher one. Just by the SEC. The clemson's got a free pass for like two games year. Florida state is down. Well, says up that's it who else is up state. No and state and North Carolina. They'll be a couple teams in the in the teen lost in college. Yeah. Good defend, you don't know. But I mean, so maybe they get a tough game at home, and they're not letting their best, but they'll probably the probably twelve or eleven in why gray and people be like well there by the eye test the fourteen and we gotta put them in there the sex. So you got to teams are already perhaps and defense that was a good old fashioned. But kicking on Alabama game -solutely that's a real true freshman quarterback. That's right. When is it ever been like that before I wanted to give those guys the celebrate Ori McDonald's dinner? That's how great I felt about that. Fast food enjoy more than when I go to the Oval Office. Food that you can get over you got an hour ago. Yeah. I do think it's interesting because you look at teams we talk about this. Hope we talk about the future. And you know, the college football. I think you're right. You look at teams like the Cleveland Browns the complexion of that team. That team was a will. We win a game a season Owen sixteen Baker Mayfield. I never was like what are you doing? I still think they could have gotten Baker Mayfield thir- third or fourth and gotten saquon Barkley, which I think they would have been a nine or ten win team. But still find chubs doing what he's doing your job. Nice drop bay. Baker Mayfield dominate naive. Obi. Amazing. So now, they have and they'll still get a decent draft pick because on a middle of the pack. They're still gonna get somebody good to bolster whatever. And that's a team that you can look for that that if Baker takes another step forward, there may be a nine or ten weeks. It does feel like the college football is having more. Of an immediate influence on the NFL these in terms of just being walking right away. Yeah. I that's true. I mean, Tom Brady was on the bench for two three years where you got in. So I in my mind, I'm like Duane Haskins is the real deal. Like, he wasn't there saying he's gonna do you buy that these he's slipping and falling and I go back to that teams. Putting bullshit out there because they wanna grab them. There's a lot of that going on. And by the way, not just team as agents doing that stuff to plunder somebody else because you got you got a quarterback. So screw that guy agents, by the way, the worst per so the, but the the campaign of the giants grabbed Dwayne Haskins, and they let him develop under Eli for even six five or six games and those one in five or two and four someone that you bring in Haskins at that point. Now, he got this piece. That's brand new that can just Chuck the ball over the field and do what he does has a little bit of mobility, and you have any mobility. He has a little he's a bit. Does. He have no mobile wheelchair gets there. Thank you. Thank you. Manning. Pivot. He can so I mean, it is it is kind of fascinating. I am excited to hear what the draft. And I do think pack the Mike question though, you guys are saying Louis natives, obviously, so cardinal's gone. Rams gone. Sorry. Sorry. It's okay. Who's your team? I would say the Rams because our kids grow up here. And I'm starting to to warm to them. I mean, of course, there's the chargers, you know, try to like them as well. It's like, you know, the the beauty of it. And this is what I realized me as a sports fan. And you know, because we text you after games and stuff. I the teams that I love that. I truly love in my gut. The most are the ones that give you the most heartache and the most difficult to Palley come with the rice school. So the look we've had success with baseball cardinals Michigan's head success and whatnot. But like, you know, the last few years have not been great. And we're headed shoes and problems and Lawson big games when I wish you would have won them. And so we've we've suffered in certain ways a lot. But the truth of the matter is like I actually enjoy the NBA little bit more because I don't have a team. I actually appreciate the NFL a little bit more because I don't have a team to me. There's that's what we trae fans fail. I don't have a team. Go Rams Steph. There is a moment where there's talk that. Rashawn Gary could go to Detroit the lions lions grab. I I'm not sure. Yeah. That's so cruel for Russia. True. But you never know. I mean, look if team can turn around on guy a couple of guys what Malvo Tricia is now the head coach. Of course, the lions he was coach for the patriots. They brought in by Quin their GM. So you think okay, finally lions are going to be serious with serious proven guys at Sears proven program. Right last year. Man. They I mean, I've seen high school teams better disciplined the jump offside that stupid times. Yeah. Take dumb penalties for strating. It's just not good football. And all, you know, low ranked team, but you can see the plan smart and hearts like, okay. That's one exactly you're gonna get there. It's fun to watch your pesky but two years ago. Cleveland was nobody up. Glad throwing a parade. That extent is amazing. Was for eight that's one in Cleveland, and Detroit a lot of cities that are spoken about in the share breath. But like the matter is like the Rams turned it around really quickly with a great coach and a great quarterback and knowing here comes to the games. They do they do a new stadium will be an influx. By the way. There's the I judged by the buzz that I hear around people who are here. And I'm like, I'm hearing from a lot of people who especially have kids that they're starting to like, you know, they're going, but not in the same way that like people die hotlines fans of the we were even die hard football fans when they were foreign twelve five and eleven six and ten I mean, like those years, we're just, you know, the Neil Lomax, we had a little bit successful mex-, Portland state, Portland state and the alot max, but yeah, it's just is it's it's fascinating. All right one last question. And then we'll get to some quick hits. It's about basketball because what we're hearing about right now. What's fascinating interesting. And I know you kind of cover that stuff as well is the idea in the thought of players can hire agents. Yeah. The waters and then decide to turn around and come back right and specific specifically three athletes for Michigan. Charles Mathews, gone, right? Because he's twenty one was he was going to go, and we'll on Jordan pool now officially gone. And I think Ignace bresnik is will be we'll probably go as well. Because I believe that even if he doesn't play here he plays in like Latvia Croatia. It's like he'll be happy coming home. Yeah. He is. And so like he'd be he'd be happy to do that. He just wants to kind of play like he kinda wasted. Is that weird year that he should have been he'd probably would have had two years here come the year before any he's older kid? And so that's what's going to happen. So now, what do you do as the head of head coach, and you've got to kind of recruit in a certain way because minute the door is open for to come back. If he wants you get mauve honors brother FRANZ Wagner. Yeah. This is SNL basically FRANZ Hans and in front. That's right. Get that guy there. And I gotta say every year when players. Lee early. I think okay. What can you possibly do any figure something out? I mean last year Movember leaves anything. Okay. What he get? Well, it comes in. And here you are so lands got away doing this John beeline head coach Michigan basketball that as mister five every time, and it always seems to work. I have to tell your fans here, by the way, you have no idea how incredibly knowledgeable passionate borderline insane insane. These guys are about Michigan athletic syncing, Michigan loses to Notre Dame. I am not yet. I've not yet left south bend. And the thing is blowing up and the message. And you know, we will never lose. We're never win again. You get you get all of it. Partly back. I mean, the facts the facts Healy's again Yalies again, we can't say it's all going to be no, you actually are really good about like painting the whole picture you have a tremendous for living in Ann Arbor and for being a part of teaching at the school. And you know, I mean you coach youth hockey around. They're so used to be high school you did at home of the river rats, that's high school the river rats. The Huron here on river right here on the only one in the country. How many Vikings? Vike but never at. But I I think the reason why think people wrap up so much in it, and I can see it in the NFL. It's different than the NBA. It's different than MLB because the games are so infrequent, and because there's only in college they're less than than the NFL. So you're talking about ten twelve thirteen thirteen days, if you're lucky you're talking about that few number of games, you got a whole off season where you're listening to now there's so much access. Lots of guys podcast. Lot's of people talk about it us hot cast. What are these short radio shows all those things that build you up and give you anticipated? And so there's a lot in your emotional. It also becomes this like away SIS that steps out of your personal life where you're like, I can put a little energy into this thing that that's the trick of sports. We believe that sports is the greatest magic trick of all time. It's. Sleight of hand great phrase makes you think it's high stakes when really it's the lowest in the world. I said that much more poorly yesterday on camera for this ESPN thing. Yeah. I wish I had that light. It's a great magic trick. Because you invest yourself. So completely siphons off all his energy, basically. And if you actually your team actually does state, you know, what you're actually still okay, you're going to wake tear like cubs fans who won even in the victory like they went into sixteen. I can die. Now. You coulda died yet. Right. The loss wears off after three or four days, and that's the allusion goes away. And that's what's so exciting race. Great magic. Trick investor stuff so much we activism poor, and we all and also a metric that we all agree on. Yes. It is all completely important this game. People out a line outside Radio City Music hall to watch a guy go megaphone and name they're wearing jerseys from their team. So, you know, who their rooting for of course, God forbid, you should walk in and shirt, and like g who's this guy who's Johnny? So you don't have team. You're just here. A dog and the. Work for the Radio City. Yeah. Like, yeah. No, no, no. So these guys have to wear jerseys. You you put the hope in they fly to New York for this thing, they go to a sports you dream about it all week long. You you listen to podcasts you go to sleep at night. You think about the matchups? You're right. I better get some rest. Because better in case they need me to send in some play. Why do I need rest before fans who can't sleep the night before a big game because the coach is going to call? You win the guy who are. As my moment. Guys shows up to a clippers game in just a jersey no sleeves and just like he's an and jeans like everyone on the clippers is gonna get injured docs, gonna look up in the crowd and be like that guy up there looks like he's pretty buff. Come on down his property tired. We've got shorts right? Playing jeans his good go, let them play jeans. All right. Let's take a break. When we come back. We'll talk about a few quick it's and some things that happened during the course of the week. I do we do want to mention the and we'll talk about your both on the other side of this break. But you do have a book that you have many books. Get just go to Amazon, and look John u bacon, and you can read some incredible including book, not about sport, your last book was not about sports you four eight outs. And it's amazing Yuri rate. Great great modern American author, and we're lucky to know you and have you on this is Bonnie from their EP. Lucy with more view cheese. Detroit band. The. All right, everybody. Welcome back to the show. John u bacon has got a book that I'm assuming people can preorder right now on the let them know what the book is. And then let them know the other books that you've got that they can read. In the meantime to overtime Jim Harbaugh on the Michigan wolverines if you hate Harbaugh by the book, if you love Harbaugh by the book both sides of the spectrum every time America right there. We got this. He's a polarizing, dude. And so if you hate him and wanna hear about you wanna have shod, and Freud and certain instances, go and read this book, if you love him, and you love what he's actually done for the program. Go get this book, and you just you get access in a way that it's just amazing to me. Because really, it's it's larger about college football. Clearly, and none of these books are about Michigan themselves, the Penn State book. Also, of course, by Penn State. But that was the case then than so what I mean, you're talking to fan base of whatever. Well, the Penn State book is as much about Penn State as it was about what went on at Michigan state with Larry. Or exactly the same stuff. It's went on Baylor University. And all those case in throwing Maryland with with of course, they play who died about a year ago. It's it's always both done the leadership the players usually are pretty good guys. And usually doing things as well as they can. So why can't people in power because it is a power thing? I understand. I don't understand it. I don't forgive it in any way, shape or form but little comes down to a fundamental question. Where people are like again with Sandusky. They're like look Penn State football is too big to topple it just to bring this one guy down like we better keep it a secret or pretend like we don't know because so if it their collateral, I would've said, but to me, let's say you're so good old boy that you can't like you can't handle it. Right. This is your guy vacation with the guy forever. I would have had called him in and been like we're gonna give you severance package, but you'd better get the fuck outta here. And you're gone. All right. You were gone. You're never to send us. We're talking San dusky, you're outta here. But every like people turn the other way, they did it. So like they need to do jail time. I think Izzo is ill doing what I found in these cases, I've studied Mr. stay quite closely. Penn State more more in depth than that even more self interested. It's people in middle management at these universities who fear that if I report this I will lose my job, and that's fair. Feeding your family this happened on my watch. If you're the president, and this is a blemish on my record. If we admit this. I'll never get another job. Exactly. So it's it's oftentimes ranked self interest or fear putting yourself above the greater good of the situation. I wonder where else are we seeing that happening on that? I can think of all right. So again God for time. That'd be bad overtime this book about Jim Harbaugh. You can pre-order it right now. We are right now what some readers have already told me is that you're going to the season with the players. All right. You're going to classes, you're going there barbecues their house when the parents come over after the state loss these things and you find out what it all means to the players. We also by the way, I've got separate chapters on the whole machine that takes to run college football. Michigan has got two hundred big screens in Jamaica hall, and they're all in half of them. You spend twenty five hundred dollars to get a computer program to breakdown film. So you spend a quarter million dollars on that alone. Yeah. Weight room is like something you've never seen thirty six million dollars is an it has five hundred dumbbells and by the way and they've thousand plates and on the plates, by the way, if you wanna see how modern top-end program by five of these out there how it works. Does that works and has the weight guide? Ben Herbert and all his strength coaches are crazy. Yeah. Show me at number one own employed strength coach he's not gonna job. And I said I said where the five, and he grinned muses. Those those of your local YMCA. Local. We don't do that here. Curve story. I don't know if you saw these ion Williamson gender reveal video did you not see kind of crow Duke assistant and his wife. Maybe she's also assisted they wanted Zion to dunk a balloon or little ball that all black all and then when it came through it would win zeal and gender of the baby. Can we stop doing this right now can we stop like we started forest fires with some of this stuff with someone shooting like a Bendreus fire a big one? We started other things gender via slash national park gone. Right. And I'm like design was what if he gets hurt? He comes down weird on the ankle. And then he's. And he's gender reveal injury gender veal. We all got him. I've been doing that. But I pulled the grind making that baby. No. But there is that moment where you say to yourself is there another guy on the team that we can use? Is there a guy who was a four star like the Gumby six foot seven to star? So he can dunk. I wanna talk about there are not stores onto that's true. There. There is a situation in college basketball Zion. Obviously was a once in a generation college player because we were talking to Rina's here. And he's like he's six six six seven. Maybe it's not big. Yeah. Broke down to get stuffed by every single human being. You're not gonna muscle guy. You're not going to muscle antidoto out of the way. You are not gonna muscle dream on green all the way. You just aren't even guy. Go bear. I watched Rudy Gobert just block James harden guy never gets blocked, and they're working in their owning and hardens getting his things I won't get fifteen twenty twenty five points a game. He might he might be that is he going to be trolls Barclay, or is he going to be Julius Randle. Who's he going to be who exactly we don't know? Julius randle. I love that. Nice draft someone's going to pay a lot of. For that. So don't let him do your gender veal. You know what I'm saying? Right. Like lead camera, but talk about to by the way, just a phrase gender. Reveal sounds like something else. I know speaking of the end of the crying, you're your -ment nine us. Mcconnell speaking gender reveals. Yeah, exactly, I don't know if you saw this on female MA fighter on a beach photo shoot took matters into Roane. And as there was a guy down the road on road. He was on the beaches on the beach, but on a path where a lot of people go guy innovating suit who was basically saying he was being, but he was openly masturbating as women and she came over and clocked him star Jack start, and she has were I'm like, she should be started beating him after he was beating. That's right. She should have been beating yourself. Why is your but he she should have been able to finish the job? Jane, are very we feel this much right here not finish the job on him. But like finish beating out choke out. You should be able to Chuck out. And then let the pieces I feel this way. If fans throw stuff at athletes or cross the line with certain eilly. I think a lot of beat the shit just for like five because if you did that on a bar and someone did again, you're right. If you income in their percents, should and should if you spit it a guy or calm, racial, use a racial slur date that guy can kick your ass in the real world. Like why the will I feel like because you paid a that's what I'm saying? That's crossed many lines by now and the booing. Okay, fine. I I've got a problem to some degree with booing college athletes. Nineteen did not getting paid yell at coach if you want to whatever. But yet you here's wind boot you can do effort you can a. Lack of effort. If you see a guy of its fourth and one they're not going for it. Go ahead and boo boo decision. Doesn't fit up his act like you can do choice. You can do you can do out of frustration NBA NFL cetera. Go ahead and Bill you pay for the ticket. However, it is not your right to be a complete jackass in the face of another human, right? We suppose is so much that you feel like it's my right? Who are you to that? Just like this guy who are you to think that you can look at this woman. Like, if you have to masturbate to this woman, by the way, I'm not against pictures of her in a video, go home and take thing in your brain, dummy that I'm just saying that like out in public doing that you deserve to get your and she who is an m a fighter to let her go. Let her go to pick the wrong person turns out which people don't realize is by the scar brothers. When your greatest causes is no masturbation you from before day one day one day one we have been on dumper stickers the whole bit they want and. Day one we've been on that tip. All right. And just the. This next year. I'm gonna file under now watch me whip. No, watch me Nate a jockey suspended for. Yeah. Another writer that there are they have an eating disorder the with now they're in this situation. He's been suspended sixty days for miss misusing his whip on a horse but another writer at a race at an Arkansas racetrack, which might as this happen. More often Hartson calmed down the and by the way, neither of the worst one is Stewart's ruling posing those. Exactly cone wants his having cone in his horse, which hurts that. I think he's. Yeah. It CO H E N at his horse boat. Teela boys with Z don't like that. We're forced why he should get whipped. For using the Zeon Tila forced wide on the stretch by Morales. And no funny biz also Z, I guess were whipping for the Z right at this point. So he was forced why turn around to us. And instead of whipping the guy which again, why have we not seen this in the sport more often? I you have a weapon, I might pay more, frankly. Right. I'm hockey guy. She get three whips. Yeah. I mean, it is interesting with hockey the fighting that happens in hockey like, I don't know if you saw the Ovechkin. Like scared me a little bit. That was a moment rumbling. Now. Look I wanna destroy up for maximum Zine how he fight. And one of the myths is not some Barbara that you call cock? And so and it's an old western duel. Right where you pace it off. And you know, the rules, and you don't shoot in the back you don't shoot before they topper Tuesday. And that's why that and now exactly so vilified across the board. He came for hockey, not defendant. Now, the theory go several things one fighters firefighters nothing. Okay. Was not a fighter and nor veteran for that matter, and you square up you drop the gloves. It's a fair fight. There's no sucker punching. Right. And it's kind of weird when you hit the ice it's over and the rat gets in and that's done. If you don't respect any of those rules, you someone else gonna kick your butter, right? Of course. Ovechkin cross several lines even by the fighting code of hockey. If if force as more like hockey, you need to write that book. Bubby earlier pro you, I guess PD because if each other exactly. I'm not actually in favor of this. But what if that's your thing? What if what you're gonna suspend him? But what if he's into Evan? This guy's. Thank you, sir may have another where we backed masturbation things Barbara's caused. We've always said that look you gotta check with the guy furred. Thank you. As this story, though. I have to say like there's something refreshing about the animal's not getting the heat on this exact the animals are the athletes in horse rates. Janis are good you situation. You have to stay on the horse. And that is that is something, but it's the horse. That's the Ashley is it. Now is it not pita? Visit a great chance here. If whipping jockey is bad. Also pita step in indeed of this chance. Allieu come down with it. Do your business. You guys have the chance to preorder John bacon 's new book that is quick hits. There we go. You can pre-order it again. It's called overtime. The it's like a year smell with Harbaugh Harbaugh. The team how how whole big time program works from Tricia, wait till you name, it what goes into if you're curious about it, the the business and the inner workings of college football. But as you build up, and you wait for that book to come check out three and out checkout end zone. The end zone the cubicle of college football. And it's a bit cubicle. The Penn State book, the Penn State is fourth and long fourth of I've now titled myself into a corner, I think I've done and the bo- books amazing too. Because describes all that hate sports. The great house explosion. Bestseller book. After the break. We, of course, have nNcholas cage left voicemail Golden Knights are now out of it. But deal at home still in this. This is new pornographers prime shooting back cheese threat for this. Johny bacon. Unbelievable. I love that. Dude. Fantastic. Again, go check him out. Go buy that book this weekend this Friday night tonight. 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Falcons Injury Update - Thursday Oct 1 2020

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Falcons Injury Update - Thursday Oct 1 2020

"Today answers matter more than ever before that's why IBM is helping businesses manage customer questions with Watson Assistant It's conversational AI designed to work for any industry. Let's put smart to work visit. IBM, dot. com slash. Watson Assistant. Alcohol podcast official podcast the Atlanta. Falcons. Nation podcast network. I'm DWI this is the injury update. Thursday October first for the upcoming Falcons versus the packers game week for twenty twenty NFL season. Let's start with home team. Green. Bay Packers. This game is going to be in Lambo on Monday night so both teams get a little bit more arrests and they're going to need it. Packers come in a little banged up. They got four guys that did not practice on Thursday tied-in Jazirah. Guevara had an ankle injury, linebacker Christian Kirksey, with pictorial injury the two guys who really matter on this list as wide receiver Allen Lazard he's one of the guys who is stepped up last week when Devante Adams was out missing the game and he's out with core injury tight end starting tight end Marseille these Lewis is also out with injury. That's the name to. Pay attention to he's a little bit older player and he's someone that Eh Rogers has learned to rely on the season limited for the packers This is good news for them maybe not for the Falcons considering the state of their secondary wide receiver Davante Adams. If you have him in fantasy, you're going to be excited to hear that he was limited participant with a hamstring injury. Of course, he did not participate at all last week for the packers. He did miss this past game. Clearly didn't slow the packers down, but it looks like right now he's trending in the right direction and all things considered. He's probably going to make this game The fact that he is now limited participant tackle Kenny Clarke Groin injury he was limited participant Here's a guy who has given us fits in the past the running game Linebacker Rashawn Gary ankle injury linebacker. Randy. Ramsey with groin injury in linebacker edge players, Darius. Smith one of their better pass rushers was a limited with. So. A lot of their guys in the second level. Are Limited but at this point if they're limited on Thursday for a Monday night game, they're probably the make the game they're probably going to play full participants. These guys you can almost bank them in for making it Monday night cornerback Zhai Year? With a hand injury and the to starting guards Elton Jenkins and Billy Turner actually think Billy Turner's playing on the the right side right tackle for them right now. And both those guys were full participants in their practice. Now for the Falcons. This list is not good I'm going to start on defense so we can get some of the pain out of the way, but I'll be honest guys this. This is getting to be a bit ridiculous especially, it's not even just the number of players. It's the fact that we've got so many starters on this list Let's start on the defense with the players did not participate the first name. Safety Ricardo Allen. Week three with the elbow injury. He has still not practicing. We don't know how severe this is. But at this point he is definitely a name to pay attention to obviously the secondary. Looked terrible in the second half of the bears, game. smoke visor Nick foles so we'll see if he can make the game but right now it's not looking great defensive intact McKinley He's still not participating in practices with the Groin injury. He also missed week three and he's been the one of the better pass rushers this year in the first game I part of the Dallas game a week to he really looked the part and unfortunately he is doesn't look like he is trending in the right direction just yet. Dante Fowler with the ankle injury. Now, he did play in week three. That said he has not been particularly effective since the Dallas game and it could be that this ankle injury he's dealing with is enough to slow him down but not enough to keep him out of the game, which is not great because we need him obviously as our second best pass rusher on that defensive line. Of course, behind you know Grady Jarrett being in the universe by himself Dante, Fowler tap, McKinley, both participating at this point. If last week is any indicator fowler will probably play on Monday night. I hope McKinley can trend in the right direction obviously pay attention to the FALCONS DOT COM in this podcast to see how he goes through these next injury reports but right now don Fowler not participating. So. Him attack. Oh. Good God next name on the list you guys aren't GonNa like this. I was afraid. This name was gonNA show up on this. Defensive Tackle Grady. Jarrett. Barn on our best defensive player. And he is out with a hip injury and obviously he came out a little bit later in the bears game in the tail in the fourth quarter and he looked like he was in pain. He did not practice today Dan Quinn did say he was not ruling him out yet. Basically saying this guy is tough as nails and he's GonNa try to be in there for the all possible. But right now he's not He's not practicing that his discouraging for the state of this defensive line. We've got three starters on this defensive line who are not practicing on Thursday before the Monday night game. If you are already feeling poorly about what the packers were going to do to us that's not going to help. Finally last name on the did not practice on defense just on defense we haven't gotten to the offense yet. Oh, my God safety Kiana Neil with a hamstring injury and I'll be honest guys. He has not had a good season so far he has had some moments where he's looked like himself but overall his score right now really bad. He is a guy that struggling and it you have to wonder if the injuries the past two seasons, the torn ACL, the torn Achilles are now just getting to the point where it's really limiting his ability to be the player he used to be, and now he's got this hamstring injury and I? Don't want to jinx him but he really feels like he's snake bit at this point and I. I really hope he bounces back. He didn't participate in practice. We'll see how he goes as the week goes on but just another crushing blow to this defense. Oh, limited in practice defensive end Jacob two two mariner, he did play this past Sunday. So barring any major setbacks I expect to see him out there a little bit of good news He started practicing towards the tail end of last week didn't play in week three against the bears. That's a linebacker Luke Kuhn. He was limited on Thursday. So hopefully, this is a sign that he is being worked back into the lineup. Obviously, he was just fantastic. In the first half against the cowboys before he got injured and went out, miss the rest of that game Let's hope he can come back healthy because. He really looked like he was a player is taking the next step that game was slowing down for him. Really excited about what he can do. A little bit of good news for the defense here four participation in practice cornerback Kendall Sheffield with the foot injury. He has missed the entire season to this point. He did. He finally was a full participant practice. This is great news. It's sounding like he is going to finally get some snaps. In week four against the packers a tough assignment. But we need him out there. If for no other reason, we just need a warm body in the secondary this point we literally had two undrafted free agents guys at run the street in there on this past Sunday against the bears. Okay. Offense only two names that did not participate and really one bear is not often supplier boom. That's. Kicker young way coup with a groin injury This may explain why he was struggling some on Sunday It sounded like he was playing through the injury. The team has signed kicker Elliott fry to their practice squad. So this is something to monitor if coup can't get healthy in time good chance that promote fry up and queue misses the game the other player who did not participate is not he think unfortunately, it's Calvin Ridley. The number one receiver right now for Falcons based on your pure productivity, he was having a heck of a game against the bears showing even with Julio Jones not on the field on the other side of the field he could still produce He missed practice with an ankle injury and honestly I don't remember when he went out in the bears game. So obviously, a name we have to pay attention to especially with just the dynamic third season he has had in the major step forward he has taken this year This would be quite the blow to the offense. If he misses this game hopefully, he can get into limited participation in work his way back. Into playing on Monday night. Limited participants on the Thursday practice lists while we really Jones. So The hamstring injury it sounds like they're beginning to work him back in with the way everything's going I would expect that he's GonNa play on Monday night. So for those we were fantasy people got him in your league go ahead and slide him in. Offensive Tackle Caleb Gerry was a limited participant and you know he had that sprained MC l. many of us thought that he had the severity injury coming out of that cowboys game. It looks like he may be tracking for being back in the starting lineup and to be honest with the way that not gonNA got abused by Khalil Mack this past Sunday, it probably need to see what mcgarry can do again that was brutal in I like go no but his performance against MAC was one for the ages in all the wrong ways. Limited participant as well. Russell gauge he's in the concussion protocol. This one's tough. He's got an extra day to see if he can clear the protocol will see if he can. I feel bad for this guy he he has taken several headshots early in his career But when he's out there, he's been having a fan tastic season. So. Let's hope that he can get healthy. And get back for this Monday night game. If not fully expect, he'll be back in week five and we're back home to face the panthers. Finally. Full participants. Go with a shoulder injury. So he's ready to go if they need him to jump in and start from Gary or to just be the standard swing Taco right now as long as Khalil Mack Not in the stadium. I think you'll be fine. He's probably still having nightmares about what Mac did to him on Sunday. And that's it. That's the report for Thursday October first. As, always, you can follow me on twitter at the W for updates on this podcast follows pats Alchoholic pod. Don't forget to check out the whole daily for right up to updates on the Atlanta Falcons will be back tomorrow with the Friday injury updates day. Talks with. Next.

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Breaking down CSR's pick in the SB Nation Writers' Mock Draft

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37:51 min | 2 years ago

Breaking down CSR's pick in the SB Nation Writers' Mock Draft

"Three. Just. Cute. Welcome to the keep sounding podcasts. Your special SP Dacian writers mock draft addition of the keep signing podcasts. CSR's pick at the sixteenth pick. In the first round Bradley Smith our rate and benevolent dictator made the pick for the Carolina Panthers. So Brad who did you pick with the sixteenth pick in the writers muck? Well, Bryan with the sixteenth pick in the writers. Mock I picked Andrei Delord the offensive tackle from Washington state university. David Braddock told you to pick a pass rusher. Son of a bitch. The warrant any laughed Brian. What do you mean the word I left during any laugh who was left at the pick? Tell me tell me who is left. Okay. Now. I mean, obviously, this is just how our fellow Espy nation writer see the draft going. We're not actually making the decisions for the teams. But Nick Bosa was gone. Josh Allen was gone Quinton. Williams was gone. Ed. Oliver was gone, Brian. Burns was gone. Monta? Sweat was gone. Cleland Farrell was gone. They were all gone in the first fifteen picks. And you know, we do need a defensive lineman. I'm not gonna argue that because that's true. We also need left tackle. And I took delare because I think he's the best value at number sixteen especially when. There's more depth on the defensive line in this draft at least quality depth than there is offense of tackle. You know, there were a couple of guys that I could have taken with this pick instead of the Lord, I could've taken Rashawn Gerry. Could've taken polite. I could've taken chase vintage could've taken Christian Wilkins, Jeffrey Simmons or Dexter Lawrence. But I think those guys, you know, that's a solid list of six players. And I'm pretty sure at least one of them will be available in the second round. When the Panthers pick at number forty seven overall. So. Definitely valid reasoning there Cleland feral, and Rashawn Gary were definitely still on the board though as far as defensive lineman. Go no clearly was taken number fifteen by Washington. Oh, he was. He wasn't the list. You gave me. That's right. Well, for Sean Gary was still on the board then. Yeah. Rashawn Gary was still on the board. And I I thought about taking Rashawn Gary. And I think there's an argument for taking Rashawn Gerry. But I think that Andre Galard fits a need more immediately than Rashawn Gary does. I mean, you could've taken a safety to may not safeties. I could've taken a safety. But every Panthers fan that reads cat scratch to would have been mad at me. Accept me. Few the guy the guy saying we should take a safety early. And I I make you mad all the time. So I'm okay with that. This is a daily occurrence. Yeah. I mean like Daryl Williams can play left tackle though. Stop. What do you mean? They said he can play left tackle. I mean, the organization has come out and said that they think that Taylor Moton or Daryl Williams can play left tackle. So what's what's the problem here, Billy? They they seem like they know best right? Right. Well, yeah, I mean, yeah, I guess moten can but it's such a small sample that I wouldn't be reading too much. He looks so much better on the right side. Just imagine Tim looking so good on the right side. But on the left though, some saying well. And that's not how it works. I mean, it's just the he could be left handed. We don't know. I mean could be, but he could also just be more comfortable in the right? The billy. Yeah. My thing is, you know, if you if you have a potential all pro right tackle. And that's what Taylor Moton is he is a potential all pro in your in your outright tackle, why move him. Like why complicate things by shifting the pieces around the board light Daryl Williams, even if he plays right tackle? And taylor. Moton, moose the left Williams only signed for one year like. They're not gonna will. Hopefully, they're not going to give him a five year seventy five million dollar contract. And you know, why move moten over to left when you're going to have to move him back over after Williams gone anyway. So I think that the easiest solution is to get one of the best pass protectors at left tackle in the draft. Or you could play Williams can play left guard. Lift garden left. Tackle are basically the same bright. No. This. This is the troll portion. I apologize of Billy. Go ahead. Explain to us the justification with with Dillard, the lard. However, the hell you pronounce it at a left tackle for the first round. Yeah. So I think he's probably the best passed protecting tackle in the draft. There's questions on some other guys might even be like one of the best offense aligned in period in this class. But you know, he played in at Washington state under Mike Leach in their area offense, which is primarily you'll passing offense that emphasizes wide splits with that means is that the area between each of the offense of tackles is about a year and a half two yards where in a normal Sal offense, like just less than a yard. And the reason for that is to essentially create. Angles. Windows for the quarterback because you're opening up a lot more areas. And so from techniques standpoint, Dillard, has very effective kick slide, which means that since all snap t is very fluid in getting to a spot. He has long arms which allow him to redirect the often to lineman Erskine the address hands when they attempt to execute a pass rush move on him and one of the areas where I was really impressed. Was that even if he does get knocked back a couple yards. He has he uses it's free arm, which is the arm that he he's not really working with uses at free arm to fight back against the defensive tackle when they're trying to use a remover arm over move, and it's sort of like watching a boxer in. How he's able to lever just hands and just completely not allow any further. Penetration was one of the more impressive things watching him. He's like a really athlete player. So I think those combinations. Give him the title of being the best pass blocker this class in. Plus, the some of the antics also favor him pro football focus had him as best pass blocker in the class. MA have study that they came out with that said some of their pass blocking data for prospects is becoming. In some ways indicative of how perform in the pros to. Billy. There's one thing we have to address here. Senior bowl. Oh, you mean that one clip where he got beat like in the fourth quarter of a senior bowl. Yeah. By god. Forget I forget who shared it. But there was some guy who shared a clip of him getting his Astros. Did I hear that Brian? I'm you that convoy as soon as you entered it, so what who who would you to conversation when I entered that's ridiculous. I have knowledge I wish I would have seen him get beat on one rep in practice at the senior bowl. I wouldn't have picked him out of for Rashawn, Gary. If I had that information, it's funny how you can cherry pick somebody's college. Ape and make them look like a bad offense of live nerve bad. Really anything. I mean, it's crazy. It's just it's just not. That's what draft Twitter's like though. Just find the the clips this than suddenly that guy's a borderline fifth round pick. Maybe so. Who the hell knows? But I guess he ask you question. Brian. I wanna add a question. Okay. Now, I told you the players that were gone. I told you who I picked, and I told you who was left if you were in that situation. Now, we could not do this. Because the the riders mock draft is just straight up pick the pick and move on. Would you have traded down? Probably not. Honestly, I mean. It's tough. Because like the way this mock draft fell like all me being the guy who really wants a pass rusher, I wanna safety too. But that's mainly just because I wrote a piece about how they should pick a safety with the first second pick. And I just wanna be right. But with the way, this mock draft fell there weren't really any other rushers that were worth the pick aside from maybe Rashawn, Gary. And if you're down you're essentially banking on that one of those pixes, not Dillard or showing Gary. So if you trade down and pick up one another third round picks Renault Marty's not is hit or miss with. Anyway, you might not get one of those two prospects out of it. And then you have to settle on, you know, drafting a safety maybe overdraft in one or a corner or a wide receiver like Metcalf, for example. And that point where's the value? I mean, I I understand. The argument for trading down. But literally every team can make an argument trade down because you just acquire extra draft picks. The problem is with teams Carolina. They have so many needs that it doesn't make sense to continue to go down as far as quality goes. And that for the first I don't know maybe ten fifteen twenty picks. That's all like just the highest quality player you can draft. I mean, theoretically, anyway, you know, there's going to be those teams that trade up to go draft guy who doesn't do shit. But still like you. It's your throwing darts at a dartboard hoping that you hit a bullseye, essentially. So the smaller you have the less likely, you're gonna hit the bullseye. You know what I mean? Yeah. What what do you think Billy? I guess my opinion is that what Brian says accurate, but at the same time. If you have more opportunities than you're giving yourself more opportunities. Also, find better players that offer valid that is I downplay that at all for sure because I just think like even like breads has said so many times of the draft is like crap shoot in it is. So if you give yourself more opportunity with more picks than you're giving yourself, you know, you kinda lessening the risk of attempting to find players can replace what you have on the roster or just fill your holes. My. My only counterpoint to that is an obviously the Cleveland Browns are cursed franchise, but Cleveland Browns are good example over the years like they they have the opportunities to take guys like Carson Wentz Jared Goff when they needed him like, but. I'm not even sure like. I like that may not be good example. I'm just saying like, no, I will technically they didn't have the didn't have a chance to get golf because they're picking second in that draft golf number one overall. But I will say that they did the chance for whence. But at the same time like. Despite trading back. I really don't think Carson Wentz would be this good. If you lead on that Cleveland team into those sixteen right? Played through Hugh Jackson, dude. Like, just the I I wasn't. I wasn't talking about that specific situation like how that would work out. I'm just saying like when you're a team that has a lot of needs. Does it really make sense to? I get it like take more shots, obviously. But like when you have the opportunity to take a guy where you have done your scouting you've done you've done everything that you possibly can. And you you feel he's going to fill that need. And obviously in the draft you could run into the guy who ends up being complete bus. But at the same time like hairline needs an offense attack. Tackle Carolina needs a defensive lineman of some kind to rush the passer. So why would you risk moving back? Not getting that guy when you're in this position when they have a quarterback in. They have a great some great pieces on the offense and defense like why not just try and build that up with the best value? You can and no I I agree with that team. Like, hey, give we'll give you a first round pick to trade up eight spots next year. Yeah. Take that. Absolutely. The like moving back for another third round pick where mardi Harney's hitter. Miss like, I don't know. I'm just we'll have not everyone will know what you're saying. And I get it. Like, yes, Honey has not been good in the draft like after the first round although last year kind of goes against philosophy because it looks like Jackson, Ian Thomas look like they'll be quality contributors. Anyway, that's my point my point is if he's like really that bad that wanna give him more pigs to see if he could potentially like find a hidden gem. I can see that. I'm like, I'm not an I'm not against trading down later on if it's like a Brian Bernard Dillard on the board than or even like a monta sweat than. Yeah. Like, you take one of those players. I'm not saying like by like. Means trade down. You don't wanna make your attention snow like that? Like, I'm reading some teams like the jets in the lines. Like they're coming out. I've saw like Albert Breyer in Peter King in there. Monday morning, call they said that those teams are desperate to trade down that just you lose all your lovers in that situation. So we haven't heard one way or the other which way they lean which is a good thing because you wanna kinda keep jer Intel close to the vest that way control our interests, like no one, I repeat no one knew that the saints would treat up all the way to fourteen with the Packer last year and let alone give up a first round pick. So if a situation like that arises in yet, you just trade back can you kind of let the draft fault. You that way? Yeah. If if it if it's like a draft pick like earth, excuse me draft trade like that. Hell, yeah. Absolutely. You get an additional first round pick out of it the following year. Definitely go for it for sure I just don't see where Carol like where Carolina is positioned in the draft where they could do that and get that kind of lion share trait. I mean, granted that's unpredictable. I mean, none of us would have said, oh, the saints are gonna trade up and give a first round pick up last year for Harold land. Like, nobody nobody thought that. So I get it like that in that situation. I'm obviously going to be like, yeah, let's trade down. Definitely do it hundred percent because you're just building up the future. And with Cam Newton potentially not being with the team in two years. We we can't really rule that out at this point like you want to build up as much capital as you can down the line. Plus, it's just more more places where you can replace a high level high. Paid starter. Like K want short, for example with the first round pick. So I'm not going to ever be opposed to a trade like that. But trays where they get another third row for a team move up four picks. I mean with the current situation there in especially with the way, I I know that this this team is going to be all about winning right now because mardi Harney and Ron Rivera. Are basically looking at this being their last year, if they don't do some so in my mind with that in mind, I wouldn't think they're going to trade down. Everybody to tell chief of the verge. I host podcast every week called the verge half. My friends Paul Miller, indeed or bone. We've got a rotating cast of characters from our entire site, which is about technology, how it impacts culture, and how that is all a big cycle that causes us to have a wide variety of feelings that you can listen to every Friday we've done over three hundred up associates six years since Vert has been around, but you'll need to listen to one the latest one to get caught up on everything. In tech news virtuous is on apple podcasts. Spotify everywhere else who listen to podcasts. Check it out. Listeners. This is Luke Thomas show hosted m finding if you like mixed martial arts and combat sports. You should check out our weekly show. The m a hour each Monday, we speak with the top athletes of MA from world. Champions two rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. Plus, we answer your questions regarding the latest news headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Yeah. I mean, we'll see like I said if burns Dillard, and sweat, those guys are gone. I think they put especially with. The owner coming out in speaking about analytics in. You know, you're hearing comments from the head coach and the GM that also. Go to that point that they're pulling a lot of Alex. I think one of the biggest like. When the firstly research studies that was done especially with the draft as far as Olympics are concerned was you know, in regards to that the draft is not inexact science eight allow the really good teams smart teams like the patriots. The eagles ravens. Even the Seahawks like they believe in volume when it comes to the draft, and you wanna have as many picks as possible. So you can throw more darks more. Like, we've already said, I think like if you're trading up, you're really putting yourself in a bad position. Or if you just are dead set on taking a player, even if your player that you wanted us gone. I just I feel like you're limiting yourself. I think I like Dave said that they were not in any way get a trade down from the second pick of the draft that just like such a arrogant mindset because. Yeah, you can be confident you're scouting abilities. But the same time like it's also. Kind of more humbling to realize that no one is perfect at this. Right. Yes. Definitely not an exact science for sure. Was I gonna say. I think in the sense of trading down when? The board doesn't really fall the way you want it to make sense in my mind is just a matter of like what value do you have at that pick. And currently like the only reason I can see Carolina's writing down would be for a quarterback like a team jumps up to grab a quarterback as they're afraid of other teams gonna take that point. You know, could probably out hundred percent yet will in our mind graph that we did. There are no players that are really worth anyone from seventeen to thirty two. There's nobody worth trading up right for you know, all the good players are gone. Like, I don't see anybody. Trading up for Rashawn Gerry. I don't see anybody trading up for chase benefits. I don't see anybody. Trading up for Christian. Wilkins are polite or somebody like that. I just I don't see. I don't see. I don't think it's possible that the Panthers are going to even be able to trade down even if they wanted to unless they're gonna try down to like twenty. Yeah. And I think that a player like Dillard would be someone that team would trade up for two. Yeah. In case. Carolina's just pick him. However, there is one thing I want to bring up as far as trade ups go that Billy mentioned as far as so the Panthers traded up for Daryl Williams traded up for Devon punches giving up picks. So Devon punches. No along with team. Daryl Williams is probably with team for another year that they gave up those picks, which we're gonna be extra players. And players. They took are not going to be with team anymore for the most part. I mean, William is not a one year prove it deal. But he was basically gone if any team had had, you know, give him what market value would have been. So I get I get what Billy sang with that. Like. Printing up may not be a good idea. Because. A good idea in my your building. I I'm I feel like the only time that makes sense when you're going for a quarterback because that's the kind of player that changes your franchises direct ya. I agree. I agree with that. And I I wanna be clear. Yeah. If you try to get somebody like Patrick Mahomes. Yeah. That works out, Sean or does Shawn Watson or something like that. But most of the time if a guy falls out of the top ten and he's a quarterback or an edge rusher. He fell out of the top ten for a reason. It's very extraordinarily rare for the top ten in the NFL draft to not need either a quarterback or an edge rusher. Because teams that pick in the top ten or teams that lose and teams lose in the NFL because they either do not have a quarterback or do not have a pass rush. And if you're a a prime player at either. Edge or quarterback? And you don't get picked in the top ten. There's a reason for that. Most of the time. Right. I agree and let let's we don't need to rehash Marty Harney's history of trading up. We don't have time to do that. I don't think Brian has the wherewithal to deal with it. I. God. Now. Well, Billy, let me ask you this since you're you're our draft expert guru. How would you grade this pick? Delays on. Yeah. Based on the board and based on what I could have done. I could have taken Gary I could have taken polite or benefit or Wilkins. Or a safety or safety y'all give it I would give it in a. Okay. Well, that's nice. I don't think plight is could be drafted within the first three row now after his combine I would be surprised if he end don't get me wrong. I still really really like his take. I think team is going to find him in the third round and steal him. Yeah. I agree. I think that's where he goes alternately. I wouldn't be I wouldn't mind Carolina being that team. I just I'm not sure. Agreed. Yeah. I mean, like honestly with the trolling aside. I mean respond Gary seems like he's more of a like Hickam inside more often than not type guy. So like at that point maybe Bank on the defensive lineman. You have and. Let it go where with the offensive line. You know, you're protecting Cam cans, obviously. Been very good when he's had an offense of line. It's even semi competent. So being for fuck sake is twenty fifteen season. He had Mike lower left tackle, Mike remers at right? So if you can find day one starter left tackle. I can't really complain. I just worry about the defense. But maybe. Yeah. Full disclosure, full disclosure. I when when I started looking at players and was preparing to make my pick. I was fully set on taking Brian burns. Because I think that Ron Rivera wants Brian burns because he can play three four linebacker and he can also play four three defensive end. I think he's the kind of defensive end that Ron wants because you know, a lot of Panthers fans have seen it. But for those who have the Panthers are going to run a lot of three four next year a lot we're not going to switch directly to it. Like, we're still going to have four three looks. But we're going to run a lot of different fronts and fate Ron want. Somebody like burns who can play multiple spots. But he was already taken my next idea was to take Cleland Farrell because I think he's going to be a good defensive into. But he was taken one pick before us. The Washington took him at fifteen so I was pretty much shoehorned into taking a left tackle. And so I picked the best one. Because I personally think defensive end is a bigger need than offense tackle because like we talked about at the beginning of the show. We can move Taylor Moton to left alkyl like if we have to we can do that. I I don't think we should. But we can you know, right now, our our pass rush is Bruce Irvin. Mario Addison EFI Oba and. Markey's Hanes like that's just not good enough. Unless firm Butler makes a huge jump. Yeah. Unless. Yeah. He's not an address your and K rush to quarterback from the inside. But that's that's what I mean. Like, I didn't mean he's an Ed rush right meant from the sense of like if you got Kaitlyn short, and you have Vernon Butler making a huge jump as a pass rusher may be it's less of a problem, but we can't Bank on that right now. And we haven't really had any indication that that'll happen though. That's where I'm at like, I'm just not. I just don't have faith in Dante repo and Vernon Butler being enough on the inside alongside Kate one. Short to make the pass rush happened with the pieces they have that's that's why I've been like a big advocate of edge rusher. And like you said the draft didn't fall that way. I'm hoping it doesn't. But if it does they may have to try and go into the second third round looking for that peace, and that's scary. But they may have to. I agree. Yeah. Side from that. Maybe like Macy's Adderley or someone like that maybe in the first round, but it's not gonna draft to safety in the first round. You don't know this Brad? I made a very good good case for it. Billy disagrees with it. But in the round a safety might not be a bad thing som- sane ally. I never I would be said depending on what safety it is. I'm thinking like. Adderley maybe like Thornhill if they decide to go with this whole like strong safety at both positions thing. But will I think or hills top twenty players of they took him sixteen thrilled? I'm not sure I'm not sure how much interest they've shown. Interesting. Though, a safety still could be in the cards. I don't want. I don't want to like, you know. I don't wanna conclude them since I'm talking this gospel. Billy. But yeah. So Andre Dillard was our pick. And quite frankly, after the scuffing, I can't necessarily oppose it because you give Carolina a pretty good top to bottom offense of li-, minus, you know, maybe left guard being question, Mark. So. And he picked that much. It was against everything I've wanted, but we'll see. So we can't always get what you want. Yeah. I'm aware. Brad. I work for you. So that's right. Don't forget it. Any lasting things. We wanna bring up as far as Dillard goes Billy L start with you. Yeah. I mean. Expect to go look in the top time. Maybe even top twelve. So always reprise if he's still on the board in obvious price of I think the two guys that are probably box to go before us off into alignment would be Joan limbs. And Andre Dillard, JoAnn Taylor seems like a medical like issue, which I was reading listening to some other radio. I'm not sure which Tony, paulie. And he said that he slipping downpours. But anyway, he's right tackle. So that should be of interest to us, regardless. Yeah. I mean, if Dillard in faultless than it would be a very good selection, potentially. But I would assume that a guy like burns or sled if either of those two on the board that I think they should go dark Shen. Well, we have our mardi Herni picture with Andre Dillard. So he's there. I have a feeling it's gonna just happen because we had last year with DJ more north Turner in a picture. So. Forecasting the future. Brad, any lasting thoughts. Anything else? You wanna address here? Yeah. Two things one. I want to basically, quote, unquote, reach week what Billy just said because I agree with all of it. So just rewind twenty seconds or whatever and listen to it again. And pretend I said it. Because I agree. I. Yeah. Okay. Number two, check out the SPN writers mock draft we picked sixteenth. So there are fifteen picks head of us. You can go back in on espionage. And I will also be sharing this on cat scratch. Your whenever our pick is announced whenever we you know, post right up for it. We'll have all that there. They'll be links to the other picks. We'll have a whole big display of it. And if you follow along on us be nation in NFL you can follow. The mocking the draft who is actually posting everything together. I keep up with it there. 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NFL Mock Draft

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NFL Mock Draft

"This NFL draft edition of the sports gaming pack. Ss presented by my bookie that AG. Mybookie dot AG is number one in our big board when it comes to online sports books. Use the promo code S G P fifty four fifty percent deposit bonus play win and get paid. Or also brought to you by Amazon, you're already shopping Amazon why not shop at Amazon and support the podcast. Just go to sports gaming pack has dot com slash Amazon bookmark that link and support the podcast today. Welcome everyone to the sports gambling podcasts. I'm Sean stack in that money. That's my partner picks Ryan real money. Kramer. What's up Ryan? Sean, I had a moment. And you know, I love when he started out like this. Normally, we wouldn't be rude to our guests. But he's a regular can wait. We I I had a moment this morning. I I was kind of immersing myself. I I worked from home today. So I I knew I was going to have ample time for prepare for one of my favorite episodes of the year, which is the mock draft also happens to be a year with giants have two first round picks, which is pretty pretty abnormally for me and in a year where I have zero faith in the general manager. Oh, wow. Well, so I I had I don't know if you read it, but there's an article in the ringer. That was kind of like what if Gettleman is making some of the right moves. And I had a dream contrarian play. What if what if Gettleman is playing such a high level of chess that it seems it seems like he's playing checkers to to the common man, but he's actually paying. Yes, he's he's so retarded, he's brilliant. What if he's egging so hard that people don't understand it? And he's a head of the secretly zig. I'm starting to buy insurance. Not only my starting to buy in. And I'm excited to see where this mock draft will take us and I'm excited to release the Cran one dot mock draft. Can I get three dot O between now and the draft you could if you're determined and you're in you really believe in yourself, and you you support the content train that is the sports gambling podcasts. Welcoming on our guest a college football of the host of the college experience on these forts game podcast network, the database himself Cova, Dan. Cova Dan guys lady on bell didn't show up to the fuck in practice voluntary practice. What does this? We just give them a loan of money doesn't show up. What's going on? He's doing a rap video again been Miami. That's great. That is the most jet see thing that could happen you. He's holding out already held up for entire year. Then MRs volunteer shit, dude. I knew we should've kept fucking who we call out. Yeah. He's a little bit right? Generally, just hates everything. Yes. Especially when it comes somebody Irish guy anything that's not the af or, you know, small market college football. He really despises the NBA as a whole because hate says good for content. It is right. And I still watch the NBA on the alternate hypocrite Kobe's like the the is the mid major there is no mid major in the NFL, which is why he does not like it. Giants are the mid major AS AS. We turn. Well, first of all Koby with his okay, all these guys who signed to the practice squad of the NFL in the af was so great. You know, we we discovered in our deep deep research. What's that football in the af and the NFL and everything awesome in general? Well, we discover that we figured out why the AFL article Jeff Fisher. Turnt was the vice president of football operations. That's a good point. That's a very strong voice. No, no. I did find that out recently. But I just read an article I thought you're going serious Ralph. But no, that's even that is. He was serious. Jeff Fisher doesn't know what he's doing dude. I ran the fucking football. The strategy was like football operation. I'm gonna look it up. I almost found myself shitting Jeff Fisher on Twitter his actual Twitter page because he went to his daughter. Great. I retweeted it oh. I was gonna I was gonna say because if it's like your coaching career that house is going to be. Well, I don't wanna get into word. Jeff Fisher, he jump. He tried to get ahead of it. He's like my daughter and son-in-law are flipping houses and national Tennessee. And yeah, I get it. The houses sell for seven hundred ninety thousand dollars in like he made all these seven to nine and eight Nate jokes. And then he pointed out that. Yeah. He had he has a extra spare room that's twelve by four. Yeah. Thirteen by three that happened. Once and one's a low. Come on. I saw the early stages on that on Twitter, but I took the high route man, right? You guys would have got mad at me. Maybe you know, this. Why joe? Jeff this. Why people that should shown up in our Twitter feed because after I did retreat it because I did think it was interesting that Jeff Fisher was trying to get ahead of the story with his unique brand of comedy and waited for the listeners champion. Breaking news. This literally just came across the feet and that is a quote from one boy del. Just because he's gone from New York. It doesn't mean the party boat is done. Wow. Thrown the team under the party vote. If you will Oto Beckham junior unprompted or maybe someone asked him a question. I didn't really do much research. I just love this headline quote. I am a cancer only on a team that is okay with losing right care to respond. It's pretty well. Read on the situation unclear if he's responding to a fan responding to the Dave Gettleman comments or he's responding. Dave Cattlemen's comments directly. Dave Gettleman, essentially responded to a question. Do you have a locker room problem? He said not anymore. Oh shit. I. And so back basically firing back. I will say there's been some interesting kind of read between the line read between the lines for someone who really wants to jump on the giants bandwagon this year, plenty of her Lenny room with me. I'm sitting shotgun right now. I kid to get on the hayride picking my seat. There are a lot of comments about players kind of saying, you know, it it shows a lot that a guy like Shep getting a contract expect extension a guy like sterling does things the right way. So I wonder if I wonder if they're backhanding Odell now that he's not in the locker room anymore. Well, that's usually how the NFL works. Not directly saying, I'm the NFL is in Rudy, you don't reward guys who try hard and do the right thing. The NFL is very much like the guys who destroyed Rudy his entire career. So the guys are super successful or the guys who are hugely talented and huge assets. I think there's been a lot of guys who have worked hard the working hard aspect of. It is what takes you from from mediocrity, or what could have been takes you from being Ryan leaf to to being fucking paint manning, probably the not a great analogy quarterbacks don't work hard. But what I wouldn't you say call the what are you going to say what what takes you to a hotel room or two? It's a horrible place. And. Yeah, go to hey, are we defending or or or vote the party about died over there? Look, I mean, let's go leave. You're going one thing. I, and I know you hate me plugging the ringer. The one thing I took from the ringer piece on the situation. Big act, basically, it was like, okay. So if it is a rebuilder it will turn into a rebuild Ewing Beckham's gonna get any happier. Probably not. So I I don't know I'm taking some bit of solace. From the fact that the rebuild. Why are you hanging onto? I don't think it's a rebuild. Are you have you seen the advanced metrics on golden Tate? The advanced metrics does that include him hooking up with Russell Wilson's wife. Is Eli manning, married and more importantly is ally. Manning worried. Russell Wilson's wife. What what chances Eli manning that? Hey, see that fell off the turnip truck. I mean, if we're if we're doing power rankings on guys who might have superficial wives because maybe they dabble in some some some shadowy areas and not up there. He li- Manning's not doing that for sure he's a he's a traditional man rests on his laurels. Russell Wilson on the other hand who the fuck knows concussion juice. He did he did once market anyway, a brand of athletic drink that was supposedly allowed you to Kirk cure concussions. All right, enough luck in around time to yours your point of saying bringing this up that Odell Beckham is going to be hilarious in Cleveland. Now, I think it could addition by subtraction. When they go when they play in the Super Bowl. Well, it was a point out. Then he said the team was okay with losing. But I do think there could be a powder keg. That is a Bruin in. In cleveland. Well, yeah, I was gonna say since Kobi's a big fan of Odell and his locker room prowess. How many how many news stories come out of Cleveland where Odal Beckham is quote unquote, being a problem? Well, here's the thing. I. The Cleveland media is going to be so happy to have a superstar. They're they're going to his his ass for so long. It it won't come out this season. It'll come out two years from now. And he's trade that is an interesting element. Because the the New York media's hilariously not a homers when it comes to the most thing. So you don't have that bubble situation. I think it'd be more. Freddie kitchens nut knowing how to work with personalities than it will be over slander. You know, wall fell our either like he's a guy. I mean, supposedly him in. Yeah, they're cements and best friends. So maybe maybe there won't be any chemistry issues, but certainly a combustible situation or maybe they just dominate the AC north and win the AFC. What's going to happen? I'm a little skeptical whole entire seen. No. They have seen north. Yes. Leaning leaning under on the Browns window real worn. It said nine I think it'll get up to I think it will get up to nine and a half just because so much public action is just all over TEFA. Like deft quarterback never regress in their their like their second. Baker was the classic guy. Who is just a scrappy, dude? Move around the pocket, still downing a messy. No one had any game film on them still doubting not doubting. But now, there's a lot of expectation Koby. Clearly, you didn't listen to our way too early win total spot cast or you would have heard that the Browns were their win. Total said at nine according to my bookie dot AG. Someone who did hear it and decided to go to the I tunes review section. Due to leave a three star review the worst review, and I tunes becau- star. They're always funny. Yeah. And you can write those off five star. Hey, that's our bread and butter. We got hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of five star three star. What are you doing what we're doing? He titled it too early schedules. Which is knock correct? It's the win totals. It was long Cox ninety five which I like that. But he he writes, his they rights is is review. I will bet Sean any amount of money that the Packers have a better record than the eagles this next season three straight road games. And then they come home to play the bears. N patriots nine and seven. What's the over under on Wentz? Getting lied to about his back injury. Again. I'll take the over quit being a Homer and face facts stack in the money green. You gotta find the irony in that. You're calling me out for B two Homer. Well, also be gigantic Comber. I'm sure I mean, you're a Packers fan unless you just randomly decided you love the Packers over I'll have put up a hit me up. You got you got my contacted Carol, Sean this could be Rogers side hit me up at Sean t green on Twitter or podcasts at sports game. We passed that calm. We can work something out and give it come on. You can't call me out. And then I respond you got update this to a five star review because if I'm gonna lose money to you taking this bets. Yeah, we at least got to get the five serve you three stars is no good. Knock it down to one. If you're really gonna clown me, but come on. And and if I may one of my favorite things that people people do is the misappropriation of the over under what's the over under on Wentz? Getting lied to about his back injury. What does that even mean? Well Carson Wentz on times. He's getting lied to. Or you're saying binary will he get lied to again? I if you're if you're breaking if you're gonna put words, the paper, let's go let's go I'll take the under on that, sir. Yeah. The under the the line would have to be set at point five. Oh, take the I'm taking the over on that. If we're setting an actual line which had he listened. I think I've set this line already. So and I'm a Homer, what do you want? Do. You oughta Homer that's gonna give. You eagles picks. Oh, yeah. You might end up winning two hundred thousand dollars on draft kings. You're welcome, Sean. We have to pay ourselves. This is a long podcast as we discussed the head of time. Let me let me cherry up because there is a five star of you, Sean. Yeah. Do you like losing money five star review from mama? If you want an entertaining podcast that will keep e you. I think he meant to say your Bank account up all night. Then this is your pod. Exclamation part. Mark this podcast is everything. I off Shawn. Green is a, gene. There you go. As far as you know, as far as the other guy hosting the show. He's just okay. Probably because he's in New York Giants fan love, it didn't even even know your name. Whoever wrote that review Email me five cats game pack back. You just got a free sports gaming podcast hoodie the other guy. I will punish you with a college experience. So he. That is that is what you have to deal with all right enough. Now, we're really done fucking around. We are going to be doing a mock draft. That's right. Each one of us will be taking turns on the big board picking as if we're all GM's eleven or twelve teams to junk to do the math. But the important thing is you gotta check out. My bookie dot AG. My bookie that eighteen official online. Sports of the sports gambling podcast. Got plenty of mock draft props up ruined some cash Cuyler Murray to the raiders plus nine hundred I feel really good about that. But they they're to NFL odds for week one ounce who's gonna be you know, I quarterback drafted second overall pick. So much fun. They even over under unspecific players like Josh Jacobs over twenty four and a half. Assay the over. You that promo code S G P fifty over my bookie dot H E play win and get paid. The percent deposit bonus terms and conditions. Do apply to that bonus real quick before. We get started lay the hook wants to know over under point five SEC players in Kobe's mock drafts. Well, he didn't he didn't read the macho obviously didn't. But what happened? We're all your mid major guys. Now ten ahead what two three four five five. And yet, you you spend so much breath talking about how much you hate the conference. Well, no, it's not that. I see I actually see. Well in basketball hate that chant right in football. I don't I don't hate him. I don't hate him. I'm just I hate the way the schedule. All right. They schedule a bunch of. This is. This back. We'll never here's how this is going to work, Sean. Yep. Like you described. There's actually not away to divide thirty two by three. So we're I'm going to take eleven teams Kobe's going take eleven teams. And you got the short end of the stick. And you get ten teams. So. Yes. Eleven from Koby ten for you that equals thirty two, and we will not be making picks for own team. So with that great. No, no trade mock draft. Oh my God. There's going to be so many trades. I'm gonna talk about every time. I like trade. But all right. We have rules. And we're we're we're making bold assumption that no one will Sean hates when I do this every year, we will not make any traits. Even though me and Kobe works stuff out ahead of this show. We've been we'll throw it out. We'll use this stupid trades Trump. Joking Sean, I'm sorry. No joking around. Joke. I'll chase. You my spin drift your Jameson, by the way as someone who's a big LaCroix drinker. How they squirt the juice in it, it tastes more. Like, I got a little lemon juice in my water. I'm kind of a fan. We'll see I need more. I I only. I only bought two cases. So when I get through like, I got some two by six. Yeah. Cosco baby all of that. All right. So with that what is rod how does Roger Goodell? Start the draft this year in in Nashville. Getting food. Will Nash I feel like they know they're going to brace them. Do they not boo? It is the south maybe a little too nice. All right. So with the first pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft the Arizona Cardinals select all right? The fact that we're playing this game where they don't know who they're going to pick shut the fuck up. Why would you not say we know exactly who we're going to pick and then leak different information really fucked with people. I hate this stance of saying, you don't know. I know there's been a lot of rumblings very recently mostly like afternoon today early today that maybe collar Murray's not going to be the guy may I've seen some mock drafts that drop today where he's dropping into the bottom half of the top ten. I don't believe any of this. I think he goes number one. I think you draft a guy because you're the new head coach. Why do you want to tie your shit someone else's Waggin? That's all this is about they're going to trade Rosen. It's perfectly in the system to gonna trade. Trade rosen. Pro I I am a believer. That that Rosen will be a Redskin in the fall, I think that's Nerf place for dolphin dolphins potentially. I just think he's the perfect Redskins quarterback because he's he's kind of a pussy fits into the culture down there. But for the picking hand we are going to go Kylo Murray quarterback, Oklahoma. Nice. Well, like it. I think well, I do think there's a chance collar Murray goes number one overall. However, he is going to the Oakland Raiders I threw that out. There's a prop. So they're going to trade say they're either going to church trucking. He says is going to be no either going to trade up or they're gonna call. The cardinals bluff and the cardinals old draft defense. Yeah. They'll have defense. They'll go someone like you think they're gonna Rosen. Yeah. I I do think they'd all be smart. I think that's why they brought cliff Kingsbury in to fix Josh Rosen. I think they'll take a guy if like Quainton Williams or Nick Bosa if they really have to pick a number one, I think they kept floating out there. What is Jon Gruden have all these picks because Jon Gruden wants to get the quarterback Jon Gruden wants who's going to stop it. Mike mayock? I love Mike MAC, but Mike MAC is not stopping Jon Gruden from trading up to get him on the as I was writing my he fucking hates Derek Carr. That's the most obvious thing that we've by that. But I also by that Kingsbury loves Murray, I wrote in my in my mock draft, which will be dropping at some point tonight's. You can read this on Wednesday or after on the sports gambling prod cast dot com. Ken grew allow may ought to do his job. That's exactly how I started pick for which will be for the radio writer. So I agree with you. I think there's a a very real possibility that the raiders go quarterback. I tried to look at this through the lens of may. There's no way may acts going to go do this. And not be heard. That's the part that I have a hard time connecting. Because may I was a he's an ego guy. He was on TV. He liked. He liked his voice being heard. I don't think he goes to the raiders just to be told shut up. He doesn't not. But he's not pulling the strings Gruden just pulling the strings Gruden loves offense. He bought an Antonio Brown. He has all these picks. He's gonna get the quarterback. He wants he has a hard on for calamari. He's gonna get Calamar. I I'm gonna double negative you here. I don't disagree. But I have to imagine may acts like cool. We have lots of picks we can trade back up and get a quarterback Daniel Jones, I think is probably on their radar as well. Anyway. My picture on not your pick. Kyle Murray to the Arizona Cardinals nowhere. Okay. It's too easy. Well, it is too easy. But I approached this like we were we were being reasonable a reasonable time is a reasonable, man. And he will see the value in leaking it to everyone that they're gonna take calamari only to not take. All right. Co play the music. Kobe is now on the clock. I can't do it. Every time. Thirty two times Kobe's now on the cloud at the San Francisco forty Niners and the forty Niners are going to be smiling at this. Because if it goes down the way Kramer projects and project, then I think they have bow says they're clear number one. I think that's what they want. So. Nick Boza defensive end sort of Ohio State quit on them last year because Myers. Astle? This is not a bigger story. Yeah. Because he's white. I I mean, the the narratives between Oliver and Nick Bosa. Yeah, it's pretty shocking to me. I mean, it's nothing more than just over. And and and it's it's race. It's clearly. Yeah, oliver. Yeah. He was like fuck fuck this. They were also like Houston was like six and six battling for a bowl. So it's like it's like at the same time like who gives a shit your don't risk your career. I'm also like kind of an alpha corner on that as one hundred one wouldn't give them a jacket one. Well, that's stories. One hundred percent. Dude. Like, if the roles were reversed I would be curious to see how this goes. I it is intriguing me that both is not the best player in his family. And he could potentially be the number two. He's already got weird injury stuff. Like, his brother. I worry. He had like people are seeing the name. And and and it's a little bit of that. You think I mean, I think it is a safe pick. I do think it's probably the right pick. If not him what who Williams Williams is. It's one of the two, Sean. I know you love when I talk about watching tape. I was watching some tape today. He's he's impressive. It's hard to see. How do you not pass a guy that kinda looks like Aaron Donald? That's why the cardinals will take him. I. Don't want Williams. Yeah. That'll be always had some bus on the top ten agreed. The New York Jets with the number three overall pick select the Ed Oliver is going to give a nice Jack to where on the sidelines there. Ribs, aquatic and training camp him and love hanging out on the sidelines. Do do they do they go interior over overpass rusher? I think so I mean, do they go at Oliver over Quinton Williams, potentially? I read that they loved that Oliver recently from just the New York media. They always seem to get this stuff early. And all their stuff is leaking out that at olive IRS guy. You could definitely make a case for a pass rusher here. But everything I'm hearing all my sources are pointing to add Oliver there also a candidate for trading down. And if the raiders are smart and just wait it out. They might not have to trade up to the number three spot. So well, if Kyla Murray's there, they should just draft Carla Murray and then cut Sam darnold. That's what I would do if I were that's not going to happen. He beat the lions on Monday night. The guys the guys gave me so much hope in week one. You're hilarious. I I mean, I agree with you. This is why the jets taking my Mark Trafton. Next up. Grammar? All right. So when I was writing my my personal mock draft today, I was like if I put in if I put lock here, my gonna get laughed out of the room. Yes. I think there's a very real situation where drew lock is a top five pick only if it's the raiders. Right. No other team would take him top five. I was having a conversation with Christian Pena inside Vegas. And when you're listening to this the latest inside Vegas with well of the the the whatever white whale came out, and they talked a little bit about the the idea of the Redskins also coming up and how both teams like lock a lot. So, but again, no traits, and I got like if may I what happens in the room if it gets the four and Gruden it tries to take anyone but Quinn Williams. Does he loses fuck in mind? Cast like I hear his voice in these preview. This is a this is a generational talent. Right in there. We think we think and I know Josh Allen is an exciting pass rusher. Maybe that's the other way they go. They do need some you know, they do to replace Khalil Mack. I'm going to Williams here. No way. They go defense. No way. I think they do go defense. I think I listen to John GERD. I think they go defense here because I think may I has to be screaming Gruden about how what scares me today. I saw report that said the raiders are going to quote, turn the draft upside down at number four, whatever that means I call that would be locker Joan pass on this guy. Yeah. I have them taking Williams because it's fills a need that they have one Josh Allens. Probably a bigger need for that. Ed, rush anytime you can put a guy middle picks. Just go for the best. I would not they're going offense. You guys Jon Gruden didn't hire Mike Mayock because he wanted someone to put him in line. He wanted to hire a guy that he knows will listen to him and not challenge him. Just who are you taking offense of here? I understand innocent area where we can trade Jones. I would think the only kind of like you're locked play here. Just show should be Jones off the reservation bucket. Drew lock. I I'm with you. I repeatedly right in my own mock draft how I don't know how Gruden is going to allow like defensive players to get draft town. But no. Have fun. I almost did this in my personal one. And I thought you guys would laugh at me. Clearly, I was closer to two saying that I thought the raiders select they turn the draft upside down by selecting drew lack with the fourth pick in the NFL draft. Kobe is now on the clock with the Tampa Bay bucks, man. And now that that breaks everything breaks everything because this is when the do this is when you're in a draft and someone's some asshole is a Homer and takes Tom Brady in the first round this happened. I think then this thing shifts from my projections for the Tampa Bay bucks. Because now, you just I think you can't not pick Williams, right? Yeah. So the, but but every everything you read is Devon white. I thought maybe defensive back. But I mean, they they view that space off the raiders nad drafting. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So this is a thought experiment, not drafting Williams. Yeah. Drafting lhasa. So so you think more likely they take I don't think you can successor McCoy. And they line up running work. Here's the thing. That's interesting. You know, when I was going I took me four or five days to write this up, and I was going in depth with each team in in their needs. And they're not that desperate for line there little long in the tooth, age wise. So they don't, you know, definitely need a linebacker or Devon white. I just thought that they would that ACA guy the shoe fit. But I'm saying I think at this point if the if you're number one player on the board is Williams. How do you not fucking take him because you're maniac? Well, according to the draft network dot com. They need linebackers edge in Cornerbacks more than they they don't need. DB's tubing D C cornerback edge rushers linebacker most pressing need. Do they really take? The bucks. Don't strike me as best available type of team. Well, that's that's the old bucks. This is the Bruce Arians bucks resilience is nothing flashy about it. Tears. Drop again that you to giants areas eight paint to toughen himself up your. You listen. He's a he's he's a hokey. His you know, I will. Going to like grinder from the SEC. Yeah. A guy who's been in the trenches the guy who's calling up against other. Especially if they don't fuck and take them that pick. So you're hoping he goes to the giants. That's no, no, this is how the draft falls. The giants. Can't I can get a good linebacker and free free agency. I mean, I know most of or second round they've they only have one I pick. But come on. I as I graded this team. Like I thought. Yeah, they need linebacker, but they don't definitely need linebacker. I say this. If this is where the giants are now on the clock with Sean. But if this is how it falls in the giants. Have Devon white. Josh Allen and Quinton Williams on the board with one pick to go. They are happy any way you slice it. Yeah. And I can tell you who one hundred percent who they will be GM shakes. This Roshan's, Gary, no. That's who I have them in my mock draft. This is a horrible thing in the news, right? Yeah. He's got a shoulder problem. They're not drafting. They are in drafting over Josh Allen Toby talked to him about five I'll give you trash out. But on the jets, but in my in my mock draft that I did that will be coming out shortly. I've quit him Williams. Josh Allen Ardy off the board. They make a reach shine gear because they're delusional and the same way that they still believe Eli Manning's a franchise quarterback. They will believe that Rashawn Gary, and the fact that he only had nine and a half curse sacks at a horrible shoulder injury and are falling on everyone's mock board, the contrary Dave Gettleman we'll draft, but what does Shawn gear, but what is good them in like he likes guys that have played a lot of games have experience and have production. You're describing the Gary is the guy with the measurable that never produced your logic is flawed now. Manny never produced SIL. They're talking about extending him to twenty twenty one. Okay. Dick, euless experts. Josh allen. In fact, Devon whites and interesting one because Gettleman has called him a gold jacket player. So for what it's worth he called Barkley that to last year. No, the reporters like you said, New York seems to know this, and I think while quitting Williams could be if he drops the one hundred percent take him Josh Allen appears to be he checks all the Gettleman box fills in for a live Evert. Give me Josh. He's a senior. He's played every game started all that. Good stuff. Ryan. Oh, that's me. I am now on the clock for the Jacksonville Jaguars. Is this not the easiest pick of the day. I would imagine. I don't know what John has. But I would imagine we all have a similar take care. Maybe different players for me. It's going to be the tackle from Alabama Joan Williams. Yeah. You got to go. I think come on Tom Coughlin's there. Take dick neck, you protect the Danielson I want. I don't wanna burn one of my jokes from the the mocked about Taylor from Florida. Well, that's where it comes down to who. Do you like more? I think from what I the little bit. I read about what Tom Coughlin and the Jags are thinking, I think I think this is the protection. Let's be honest. We're not lied listeners. Pretend like we watch offensive line film, like one Robert Mays. Oh, yeah. Breaking down on this aisle. Vets. I'm an offensive line fanatic. And I can tell you. It's like this is this is the no, no, no, I'm saying, my my mock draft. I wanted them to get Taylor. But I had the giants taking Taylor. So therefore, they went D end. So you that you have Taylor over Williams. I do okay. Interesting. I see the need though, that that was my original thing was like they're going to go off at the tackle going in the Kobe is now in the Detroit Lions. Okay. Here's my angle here. This is a tricky one. Because wait. So we did we did Alan to. Okay. So. So essentially white syllable, but I think white slipping down the board in this Piedmont draft all the the true lock pick. Those everything off the lions are strange team to me. I tried to when I did my mock draft. I tried to think like they would think. Okay. Yeah. Randomly draft tight end on offense. Eric. Off the board. So that that's what I did is because they always like every time for the past fifteen years. Probably you think they're going to draft the tight end. Well, here's the thing with with white dropping. I don't know. I know they needed edge rusher. But don't fuck. I mean, this is tight end in Edger apparently their biggest needs. I'm gonna say how it's then. I mean, I think it'd make zero sense I would be pissed off. I was alliance fan. But if they need tight end he comes from New England what's his name? And and where they had a. I like that more sound effects. So yeah. No. He I. Where they had gronkowski. Best tight end. In Patricia taken that move from awful pick that right? Yeah. He's too tight end. Well, it's a little Patricia would maybe go defense here. But Hopkinson it does seem like he can he he gets you that mix between pass catching Enron blocking. And Lombardi was talking about tight ends and Hopkinson on his podcast. And what's great about a guy? Like that is that he can cause they can run or catch. They're they're great match up nightmare. Right. So like if he's in there, it doesn't signify whether they're going to run or pass. So if your nickel than they can run out of that. And he's a good well in the same way that gronk was great because he was a legit run blocker. So if gronk in there or if you do a two tight end set, then it doesn't necessarily tip your hand. And if they're in base you can throw if they're nickeled. But if you're studying the tight end position happening, former tight end, Sean green, would you be happy. If the eagles, let's pretend like they needed a tight end. And they draft titan in the top ten right? I think that's terrible draft pick in general Jetson nineties. I'll say the end is not an impact player top ten. I disagree. I think when you can get a guy that can block in and and catch up to get a guy like rock for it to make it allows you to the second round pick. It allows you to be versatile like you're describing. So I do think it's a critical position. I think it's extra critical for a guy like map Patricia that room wants to run a certain, you know, he wants to do what they did. And we're all onboard here, even though I think it's a bad pick. No, I listen. I I think I think they're going to go with a tight end or I think they're going to go. I have them taking burns. I think the edge rush. Again. I I think that's the both areas of need perhaps, you know, maybe they see that. Stafford is getting a little long in the tooth as they say. And they wanna give another weapon. Okay. Okay. Sean, you're now on the dock with your buffer. H-a-l-o bills. Fomer upstate New York. Resident Sean green making the selection for the Buffalo Bills in my mock, I had them getting Hopkinson, but he's off the board. Interesting. I 'cause I I like that dual threat thing. And I think if you're Josh L and he's a perfect match. You wanna rookie quarterback to have tight end. That can really help you out there. Do they go Devon Wayne? They could but linebacker not a huge priority for the Bill. So I'll say they go how'd you have in him and Edmunds next week 'cause they're very similar and there is and there is that strategy of really don't draft for knee draft best player available and just load up and down. Nate a certain part of the game. Like the eagles did with the defensive line and they're Super Bowl championship around. I'm getting away shameless. I'll go Joon Taylor here. The Buffalo Bills makes load up protection for guy like Josh Allen. This is what they should do. I think if white falls that's going to put them to an interesting test. At some point the white net is going to be cast and he won't fall anymore. And I think coming to pick number ten with the Denver Broncos. Drew Elway who drew CHAI Jonah. I I have. I think like he he made just fuck around and go get a quarterback. I don't think. So I read it. I read an article about his Jones over Haskins. I think yeah, he's he's not drafting Haskins. I can tell you that. I read an article that he was very intrigued with the twenty twenty quarterback class, which made me think. Well, he's got flacco. He's got flacco. Perhaps if the tight end falls to him that's a target. I think it's a legit panisse Hopkinson could end up on Denver. But in this current situation. There's no way. I mean, what are the Broncos need? They've lost some linebackers. They need to get. Definitely light. I I don't see it's hard to see Devon white falling past like ten eleven. So I'll have them snag Devon white. I do think he's you know. You watched LSU live Koby. I watched a couple of hours. He's an absolute east. He reminds me a little definitely being paid roquan Smith is that is that a fair comparison comparison, he's a he's an animal. I think it'll be a beast. Wherever you lands Koby. Okay. I'm gonna stick to my my on the clock. I'm gonna stick to my projection. Here do it because this is in state guy whole state loves them. Oh, and I think you know, they hired Marvin Lewis was code was was announcing the af the spring one of the other reasons maybe they went under. Why are you crowbar and all this? But I'm gonna say they stay in state and any Dalton's done after the year give me Dwayne Haskins and Ohio states quarterback to the Cincinnati Bank. Don't under contract for one more year two thousand nineteen again, he'll be on the reds. We have a new coach. Yeah, we do and that and they didn't extend on so things add up. I I am complete lockstep with you. I think Haskins ends up on these Cincinnati Bengals please the fans to because they've been a lot too. You know, be gray about it would be a great PR move. Although I did read a very hilarious thing about Wayne Haskins that he he tested out on top of having the what are we calling my my I metric. Do we the was the K test? The k the K test. I think so all right. We'll go with the K on top of having a very low k test score. He also apparently had the worst body composition. According to NFL, Tom Pell. Hello, sarah. Who the fuck is Wayne asking had the worst body composition testing amongst quarterbacks at the combine. Okay. Break that down for me. Then I think they're saying he's he's chunky and slow. That's what they're going with. I just was funny that I think I think body composition test is just a nice way of saying. He's fat Sean you're on the clock with the Green Bay Packers. This is insane. But the second Iowa tight end we'll be drafted in round me Noah offense. They're gonna get the Green Bay Packers wild. I have the Packers. Take him with the thirtieth pick. Yeah. I agree that could happen. They're gonna go line. I think that that also could happen. But Jimmy Graham, not the guy. He was. Yeah. Aaron Rodgers needs more weapons as I accurately predicted in the win total podcast the early Wintel podcast needs guys to throw to he needs a needs a good catcher. If you will of the football. He's a pitcher he's going to be throwing it around. Give me. No Fant it's it's I guess just random luck. But you also take you also have the thirtieth pick with the Packers. I would throw this out there while I did a similar thing in my mock draft, I have them taking Hopkinson because I do think baby needs its bottle and Aaron Rodgers needs to get away and Rogers Jimmy Graham, he's a pass they need. They need a pass rusher and their gambling if they don't take the pass rusher here or the linemen to Kobe point. Because when you get back to the end of the round, the tackle talent. And the pass rusher talent is not quite there. So you know, what? Oh. He talked me into give me Andrei Dillard offense of tax, Washington state, listen to the database is, you know projections. I like them. I haven't gone a little bit later. But I do think he's solid player. And it's weird. Right. We don't have any of those like generational tackles quote unquote in this year's draft. But there's a lot of pretty good ones. So what's next? I am on the clock with the dolphins. Now, every every trade. Got think why I guess I don't know at this point. I don't really know what the dolphins are up to. They haven't traded up to get a quarterback. They got Ryan sign. He's a franchise quarterback. Luke fall on the team. Hey, you know. But yeah, this was the toughest pick for me. Because I wasn't really sure. What I mean? How do they not take a quarterback? But at this point there. I don't think they take Joan. They're not a team linked to Jones. I went with Hershon, Gary Lauck. Yeah. You're looking at my notes, obviously, I what I said was I think this may be the fall for Gary. He the dolphins are totally a team that would draft on measurable 's it strikes me as the perfect kind of pick. It also fills a need. Right. Like, he he's a legit top end top end Russia, but I'm gonna give them. I mean, we agree. They're they're probably they have to take a pass rusher here right or quarterback. I'd say pass rusher. They went would you be the dolphins. Have so many obvious needs that it's really tough to rank them. Yeah, I'm gonna I think they go with a pass rusher. I think it's for me. It's between Brian burns who is slipping a little bit and Shaan, Gary. I think they go for the measurable here. Typical move for franchise like this. They go for the measure rules. Give me Rashawn, Gary. Colby. You're on the clock. Atlanta falcons. Yes. And I guarantee you they do not draft offense. Really? I think what you think. Oh line. Maybe. Yeah. I think they go linemen either way. Yeah. I think they're going defensive line. I know their linebackers. Also, maybe you can consider Brian burns. I'm sorry, Devin Bush, but also I was thinking either burns or Wilkins, but obviously D lie or detach is more important than D end. Both either way I could see that working out for them, though, Devon Bush. Also, I think is actually one of the best players in the draft. I don't have him selected on my mock draft. But I wouldn't be surprised if they went Bush with the with linebacker. I went with Christian Wilkins at Clemson. Yeah. Yeah. Agree. I want the exact same way. I think he's the guy he fits into that defense. Yeah. He they need that help. I like I said, I think they go off line. I think they go defensive. I wouldn't be surprised if they went Bryant burns or Bush to like if you had to do a second or third. I don't know if they need the edge more than they need the big boy in the middle. So a while I do burns and Bush or both slipping according to my my big board over here. Yeah. I'm with you. I think we'll pick Shawn you are on the Clark the Washington dead skins. Tell me you do what I did hear I loved my this is the one where I took a little bit of a reach. I wanna see see what Kobe did he's touting his own pick. He's Laos as long as he tells people to go to sports gambling pack that com cook that NFL tab and select the Tanta base NFL mock draft also selecting a oh my God. I I didn't wanna lucky yours Pri Pri the podcast because. I didn't want to take my own pigs. But Koby we are in lockstep. Oh, decay Metcalf receiver out of ole miss. This is a Sunday resin to the nth the gray. He's a guy who production what twenty nine past freak of nature. Don't you? Just see Daniel Snyder getting so excited for this. Well, it was hilarious because I'd like as I was doing my analysis on the Redskins. I was like they probably need these other positions that are so much more important. Sorry cousins anymore. Case case keenum de que met and can go wrong trade up to get a quarterback, right? And they could be in the Haskins sweep sake. I see a lot of people mock and Haskins the skins they could slide up here a little bit. But Jones, I thought Jones made more sense to Metcalf. But I was like what would the Redskins do Metcalf is athletic freak of nature Snyder's, probably got a hard on for that. But I don't you know in our world right here with three quarterbacks off the board. I they definitely go back off. So I'm boy, I'll blow your mind real quick. I also have the Redskins taking decays. That that was taking a little bit of a chance of when I publish this. They got rid of Crowder, they they need to what's his name is not turned the first round pick from a couple years ago has not turned in turned in DC. You what does? And that's what they need. They need a guy with stops just obscene. They need a guy was size. It was gonna go. Go work. You know? So I actually kind of agree with? Although I do think they will be a team in the maybe they trade up for drew lock. I really think like that. It just feels like a such a Redskins or if this is the situation like again sweat. He's dropping enlarged heart. Some teams don't care. I could see the Redskins as being one of those teams that doesn't care. It's true. No measurable. They love the measurable. I am now on the clock with the Carolina Panthers to me. This is a absolute no brainer. I have them taking Dillard in my personal Mark. He's not available in this one. So I I'm just gonna go down. I big board and take the next available tackle a little bit tricky risen reser. No, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna go with Cody Ford. I think he has the ability. I think he has the ability to be a decent pass blocker who can mall. And I think if we know one thing about this Panthers team, they probably should keep Cam Newton healthy. So he's not sham noon. Right. Yeah. We take it a lineman here. I was on board on that. Yeah. That makes sense for them. Going defensive backfield though. Now, I gotta go off someone Koby ready. Oh, well, actually, Sean, Sean got Shaun's got to go to work. I I know he's not paying attention. Trying I'm always famous, and that's why I'd like to remind you guys sports gave my podcast brought to you by Amazon. Of course, you already using Amazon some sweet NFL gear. Whatever you want Koby name of product you want to look up and see if it's available on Amazon dot com. What's the product you need right now? I I need a a big flat screen television. Big flat screen television, seventy inch seventy inch since you don't like my four Wheeler, right? A horrible idea. She's. Choose the bad thing. No, no, no basketball back in nineteen eighty five Razi how cheap TV's you can buy TV's on Amazon for the record. Yeah. I'm looking at a sixty five inch four K older. HD smart LED TB gonna buy one, right? Sold. It comes with Alexa for nine forty nine ninety eight. Jeez. I might have to order that today. But you know, what I'm going to do. I'm going to go to sports gambling pack that com slash Amazon in order through that. So I can support the team impacts. And why don't you guys do the same? We appreciate. Gobi? Picks. Look, I know they said they're going is the face of the future. But that guy's full show yet. They're gonna go Daniel Jones here. It makes too much sense. I actually liked the pick. Unfortunately, I know I shouldn't say this with him standing right there. But I like the pick. I think it makes sense. And you know. Jones sits under Manning's wing for a year. Maybe maybe five years and. And then becomes the face of the franchise. The next way tittle. Perhaps perhaps I mean, there's all the connections. I think people friends with the man, I do think that people are connecting dots. That may not be there. It's like, oh, yeah. Cliff? He went to Duke and cut cliff coached ally in pain and they have that quarterback camp in the summer. Maybe maybe. But I think we've also heard Gettleman repeatedly say he's not going to say on a quarter said that he wasn't going to trade. And what happened he likes? He likes a liar. He likes Daniels. Don't go Jones what going burns. What are they doing? No. Because we had them take a fucking defensive lineman in the first round the they took Josh Allen. So what position then would they address? If I if you think Devon Bush becomes interesting. I think Brian burns interesting. Why why not load up on? Yeah. Again, elite level talent in this draft. I actually I dabbled with the idea of having them go straight defensive line defensive line. I think you're right. I think this is a situation where Daniel Jones comes into play. I could even see the giants trading up down from here because I think Daniel Jones will be available later in the first round. I could see them the raiders do things. I think the raiders could really big wild. Yeah. Why I think I can see the giants trading back to then trade back into the first round like get more stuff and then come back in for a third first round pick. We know some teams at the back in trying to get out of here. I think putting Daniel Jones in this spot is extremely safe. I think a lot of people have it. I don't think you're going against the grain and saying that and it obviously makes sense, right? But not if you they're saying three more years like of Eli. It's it's the Aaron Rodgers model. I think it was with a quote have film. But Aaron Rodgers is still good. That's the difference. He sat. No Aaron Rodgers sat for three years behind Brett farve. Yeah. Brett farve was still good. You're missing the point. Yeah. Let's between the lines Gettleman is saying that three more years of Eli. Right. And that's why I'm playing the cash. I know. Yeah. Okay. You're not you're not paying you seriously believe three more years. You get more ghetto me is the one that threw out this. He's clearly fullish just saying that. I know what I mean. I know. But I'm just saying that's crazy that he's sending it. I'm giving you guys fodder. He went out of his way to say fading in the game. And it's not like the Alex Smith patch home situation. It's like the Brett farve Aaron Rodgers situation. So your holy shit. I mean, I I will say this watch the sizzle reel of allied checking the ball around and some high school. Oh god. Look good. Mark Malone in defensive line is in front of all right next up. I'm selecting for the Minnesota Vikings a team that's got to convince themselves that Kirk cousins is a franchise quarterback. And what do you do? You gotta convince yourself. Oh, it's not he's horrible. It's our line Kirk cousins just needs more time, and they let a lot of sex. He's no longer the highest paid quarterback though right now. It's Russell Wilson. I guess so. Bums me out. I like cousins being number one makes sense. I think they select an interior offensive line is a need for them. I'm gonna go Garrett bradberry out of North Carolina State. I guy he could possibly start at center if not guard lot of options there like you're bringing the guy that's going to have an impact day want so bradberry there. Love that pick. I am now. I did you struggle with some of these teams because it's like what the fuck are. They gonna do. No. Because of the players dropped. I thought it was initially. I thought well with the players who are now dropping it becomes less clear to me because I do think at some point. Burns has legit. Rushing talent. But is that really a need for them? Yeah. Is it? Yeah. I mean, I think when I just I think so much they want to evaluate Marcus mariota. And they they want to Shawn's point about Kirk cousin. And what do you do you blame the line? There's a lot of talk about how Tennessee needs to improve their line. So for me, it's either they go with the the sliding Brian burns or they go McCoy out of Texas. Am to give them because they have to make a decision on mariota. And it's a big one. Right. It's like are we resetting or are? We is this guy. I saw some mocks have gone white out. I I don't I don't I don't think I kind of liked the receivers I'm gonna stick to my guns here. I think they Eric McCoy out of Texas. And I think they go this is like that one. Are we really going to be is this going to be our guy are we switching tannehill. Like, that's what they need to figure out this year. Yeah. Coby you are now on the clock with the Pittsburgh Steelers, which I would imagine if this happy. I don't think they will be sprinting to the podium. I don't think for burns. I think for Bush Bush exactly I think Bush is a man talk about a fucking amazing draft pick and a great first round draft pick that fits their system. I this what. Home run for the for the Steelers, Devin Bush linebacker, Michigan. I haven't gone tenth in my in my my personal one. So I think this great pick. I think this is what did I have men? Yeah. No brainer while 'cause you had them going on their great great work by us getting them there. Devon it. Just seems like they have the need, right. The whole Shays year thing when he walked out on the stage last year, those super cool. He's still not playing football. So they need someone who's actually going to play football. Wow. But he's not coming back. Like, it's great that he can walk. I I'm super happy for him. But he's not playing football again. So give me. Next up Seattle Seahawks. This this is the end of the slide. Right. No. I don't think. So actually, I have I haven't gone off of line since it just paid Wilson a ton of fuckin- money. I have them go in Lindstrom. I was merely reacting to the fact that our board has Brian burns tag in town there either or I they just traded. Frank clark. That's true. That's true. That's true. Restrained. Pick a lot of teams seem to think they made trade back even go on though, dude, they could still go there allying protest last year. We let's not even pretend like we can get inside the mine of p Carol we will allow Sean to do that. I was advocate the waters of nine eleven truth thing. Whatever else goes on Pete Carroll's mine. No, you're right. We doesn't understand that. You're not supposed to throw gum on the ground. Especially on a turf, I think I. Yeah. With that with that need becoming an issue. Can you imagine a burns drops to the ravens? Well, give me Brian burns. But I think no offense to the Seahawks is a decent possibility because they have no playmakers. The tight end position. I think much as I was enjoying my Nick Van at run as like a deep sleeper DFS. That's just not going to get it done. And. Yeah, Russell Wilson needs more weapons. But you're right. If burns is here, he's the guy. They're gonna take I well, here's here's the wrench. I throw. No. I am with you that I think one hundred percent they're gonna grab a pass rusher. Now, they're starting D line now or guys that would basically slot in based on the depth chart. Have a combined sixteen sacks last sees? That's not going to get this is where I mean, this is a total Seahawks move. But this is where sweat also could fall to because I mean is guy we were people were talking about the giants at six. Yeah. With this enlarged heart, which according to the smokes. The course that said help you or. I'm just saying not a weed. We have to discuss this future. But. I think this could be where Montus what falls to potentially. But I I'm with you, Sean, I think one of the rushers goes here. Yeah. Which ones? Prime birds. Give it to me. Is it such a great name? Yeah. Sounds like accountant not a fucking bad ass. I can edge rusher is gonna murder quarterbacks. I am now on the cock- with the twenty second pick. Baltimore Ravens here. I got I as I'm evaluating the ravens, and I'm like, well what what are they gonna do? They kind of have some needs. But they also it's like, yeah. Okay. So who's gone they lost the ugliest man in the NFL, Terrell? Suggs say flacco, they lost CG Moseley. They lost flacco not not a key loss and they lost the wide receivers. So to me, I'm starting with the idea they need they either are going to go wide receiver or they're going to get some sort of linebacker edge rusher. I originally I took a stab and said they were going to be the first one to drive drafty wide receiver and markets Brown out of Oklahoma. But with the draft board what it is. How do they pass up Montas? What if they are good with his heart condition? How do they not pay take him here? He he this could be the slot in for Terrell. Suggs for the next ten years. Yeah. I mean like he top five. There's only town franchise is that I think would take him. The ravens may be one of I think ravens patriots Redskins who Johns Hopkins Medical facility, they understand how the enlarged hearts work. You know who else had large start Rudy served him while on the field. You know, he had have the heart Arruda, he would've AllState. I'm going to sweat because L I don't know how he falls pass the Seahawks. Ravens feels like both those teams could be in the market for a I could see the ravens taken a more than the Seahawks. Okay. Which then takes me to the Houston, Texan, right? Yes, sir. I hope you guys I feel this one was an easy one for me when I was feeling it out, greedy Williams, cornerback LSU they need a defense. It was the hit Murphy. I thought offense of line. I thought hey, they're fucking destroying the Shawn Watson career. I mean, that's that's your only other your second play on position. But I think defensive back fucking beat up. They don't have talent there. I I'm not sure which line you throw in there. Because we we've kind of are the old line our draft here when a little quicker than in my own personal. But well, there's still don't riser. And. Yeah, I mean, he he would probably be the guy. But the Joe you think they have to dress. The fact that their quarterback at take a bus because he popped the lung. He's getting murdered make sense. Is this kind of like when the Quinton Nelson went to the colts last year second round, you can get good. Wait, you think they weighed on the for the you're getting the best cornerback in the draft. Now, you think he's the best. I mean, I think Williams are Murphy I'm saying there there's shot at the best corner in the draft. Okay. It's crazy even lane. You can throw in there too. It's crazy to see a cornerback nocco until twenty three. Yeah. Yeah. But that's what could appetizer. All right. So I gotta write this down because I'm losing track of my own draft. Now who you greedy Williams would be my pick. But I it's gonna be him. I have Murphy have Murphy in my mock draft going the next pick to the raiders. So I had greedy going to the the raiders actually. But yeah, I think I think he's a guy where the concerns may not be real. And the fact that he's like got a bad ass name for cornerback Caridi. He's a ball hawk. He's going to be stealing balls left and wreck me, greedy Williams. I could sit and just the fact that his strength is that he can cover people. You know, like, okay, great. He's gonna get run over in the run game from time to time the Oakland Raiders around the clock and me, John gird. This is the up so curious for this this the raiders are the team to watch. This select a half of player defensive player here day taken offense a player of Josh. I haven't go I have the raiders taking Jacobs, twenty cents a horrible. Certainly will see I think they may go Byron Murphy, they kind of need cornerback. Maybe. We we have a lot of the gotta run the ball. Right. I have getting Jacobs twenty-seven. The key is you gotta pound the rack. Okay. So you see taking judge Jake. What's the the banana? What's the good? Double wide spider. Yeah. Wise spider Panetta, something we're talking about a guy here. A guy who take who catches wide open passes and heck of football player has that Alabama -fensive line. And it's of getting just watching them film on them. If the eagles take Josh Jacobs. I will be all honestly be bummed out. I tried to watch highlight reel in convince myself that if they did take him I'd be happy. But honestly, no, I'll be bummed if they take Josh Jacobs in the first round. I don't see how Roseman the guy's a smart, dude. I don't see how and he got the eagles doing while. I was going to ask you on line. Right. I read a lot about like, they're not gonna take Markey's Brown. Now, they brought in Dijon right ofensive line is kind of or receiver is kind of a sneaky knee sneaky need for them. Because they have they have shown they have shown. They have Nelson other than that. Now, I'm a huge mccown's fan, but they are not super deep Ed receiver. I wouldn't be shocked if they took a receiver. I have them probably ended up with the guy like Chris Lindstrom the guard at of Boston College thing. See I m Brooks coming off an injury. They let stephenville's new ski walk. They need they need support around. Once. I'm still holding out that Collins develops. He's coming up that sports. Hernia Dalton reisner. But I wouldn't be surprised if they I think I think they go offense of line, then defensive tackle. And then a skill position on the offense of set. See I think they will. I don't want to pretend like I knew more. About the eagles than you. But I honestly approach this like they'd be taken a defensive lineman that I mean that probably could happen to and and I in my personal mock draft, and maybe I'll stick to it. But I haven't taken feral out of Clemson another guy kind of production guy, kind of a hard working like just he's going to go at it. Every every every down not too far off. I saw some calms Nick Barnett, and that made sense to me. So I'm going to stick with this. I think they go they go for that edge. And they take how do you pronounce his first name school first name? Call cl- Clemson. Yeah. I wouldn't be surprised if it was Dexter Lawrence either. He's the guy they could take their as well. It's more of just he's a big body in the middle. I think they lost. They lost the loading Natta. And they got me Jackson and Fletcher Cox, but they like to rotate those defensive linemen. So I wouldn't be surprised if they got a guy like or Lawrence just to clog up the middle. You don't want him in some early rundown guy. You don't wanna drive I think Lawrence heavens ago, the very next pick to the colts. Ooh. Yeah. I think that's who they've been wanting. I went Tillery, but okay, same principle. Yeah. We we did our research. I know. Sorry. I meant to hit this on. We're so well, read them situation. I I love the angle, I think, that's it's strangely. Learning to to shefty foot strangely like they don't need much more than like a couple of things in one of them's a big big body in the middle of that defense this stuff people up in front of Leonard. Yeah, sean. Yes. How is it? You get at the raiders three. The raiders give me this is where they take Byron Murphy because we have reverse then because we're Mike. Grab the car from John hand. Whereas where he's looking to make the the play on Noah fan hair just around the offense. But this is where Mike man, grabs the card, and writes, Dexter, Murphy or sorry, Brian Byron Murphy on the card. They really need some help on defense. Your ear in the division. Was patch Mahomes? Philip rivers Joe flacco musically. But really they need some help in the past defense. Byron Murphy seems to be possibly the number one possibly the number two cornerback wherever he is if easier at at twenty seven for the raiders, I think they're definitely taking them. What's larry? I had Jacobs going twenty-seven Murphy going twenty four. So we had the same guys. It's yeah. Yeah. I think all offense with the old GERD. Ryan you're on the clock with the sandiego superchargers who will our own Justin decker, sandy go. Supercharge owes J will be all watching the draft live from the chargers fan party on the Santa Monica. Pier. VIP seats on the Santa Monica. Pier. Big-screen TV what do you think a ticket like that runs for you your ally guy? Well, I mean, and I happen to live close to Santa Monica. So the peers actually expensive though, they can total tourist trap and knock it. What do you think? They what do you think they they charge? I'm gonna save knocking up a little bit and say thirty bucks lower. Really? Yes, that's shocking to me twenty lower get the fuck out here three. Yes. It is true. His. That's all there is Andy, go supercharge, like Bubba Gump. Toby? Out of the park too. Because like nothing is between zero and twenty dollars, dude. Especially on the pier. The period the other day, I always had a beer, and it was like fifty five dollars. Pierre will suck in rob you that they will Kramer. I am on the clock with the Los Angeles chargers. Yes of Inglewood. I mean, I thought they were gonna end up with Lawrence. He is gone in this mock draft. So I will I'm gonna go another a listen, they may go off line. But I think they get taken terrier defender and I'll throw Jeffrey Tillery out there. That's my guy, dude. Well, again, we we obviously. What? Now, I do think not all these teams are going to draft directly as much for nita's. I did. But I do think that the chargers they were twelve win team last year. They're not far off from being a, you know, a third contender already. So imagine Bosa Ingram coming off the edge of the big body in the middle Jeffrey Tillery. Yeah defense and again, they're they're in that same division. They're going to need to pressure. The quarterback ways it Jeffey. Did. I miss a real name, Jerry, right? Did I just miss type it? That's probably the case. It's jerry. Yeah. I'm like what is? I was raised. My retarded was Eyestone when I was a pretty sure he was I knew him at Notre Dame last year, the Seahawks now have a second pick here in the first round because of the Clark trade. And this is where things get interesting because I had the chiefs taken Justin lane, which actually kind makes sense what the Seahawks, but I don't think. So I think the Seahawks then go well since we have them taking that you haven't taken the the D N in the for token edge rusher. So the go burns with the first picture that means I think they're either gonna go line tight end. And I think they go line give into reisner risen they need. They do need that. I could also see him going safety here. Maybe they wait for the second round. That's why I think they trade back because I think they wanna get acquire some more second third around picks and need linemen their shit. Need a lot? Yeah. Yeah. So I got rise ner. Okay. Go into the Seattle Seahawks tackle from K state. He has made fun of me saying it was a stretch at twelve. But now, this is what no goes off the board correctly. Go let it guy. Jimmy Graham, he's done. And yeah, this is a Rogers needs playmakers to the guy who who had at my three star review who knew who knew his three review of my Homer, pick junior didn't work out. What name is successful ginger in the NFL. Not in the NFL. Pete metzelaars was Andy Dalton's the best. And that's not successful that Andy Dalton has not a franchise quarterback. No fan is. He's like having. He's having is like having that slat receiver. He's a he's a Dallas Goddard type Zachert style. Go give me no fan. Maybe not quite Zach now, but not wits eckerd's with the thirty first pick. My brother will actually be hanging out with Zakar. It's his fiancee one tickets to VIP draft party chicken Pete's where he will be hanging out with one's act. It's your brother is going to be in the room with Zakar feel good about this. You you remember the super mush? I'm very concerned any chance the floor gets wet and Zakar. L or something. I was saying it would be hilarious. If. I mean, they would never trade Zakar. It's like imagine hanging out with the player who got traded or something like that. That's crazy or they they randomly draft the eagles draft. No fans or some other tight end super uncomfortable super super uncomfortable with the thirty first pick. I got it sounds like the Rams are trying to trade out of this spot. But if they don't I think Jeffrey Simmons is in play though, they'll take a redshirt me and Kramer have the same. Exact again. Well, read the funny thing is I processed your had no memory of what you had draft. And I just I literally just did this by team needs. And where it makes sense in the Rams not a ton of needs. And when you again top-five talent haven't signed sue yet. Well, he's not gonna play sevens is not gonna play much this year. We had the injuries. But I'm sorry. ACL in February. But it gives them a little bit of leverage. Sure. But it also gives you the potential to have Jeffrey Simmons, if he reaches his potential lining up next, Aaron Donald, Gary, but I'm saying like the leverage factors. I'm not I'm saying that means they could just do a one year deal with sue or nothing at all. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. But. I'm with the I I think that's the pick. If they stay here. I got a match they drop back. Coby. And I I'm curious to see this pick because I feel pretty good about this. You know, a lot of mock drafts that I was reading had the patriots going wide receiver Kice Brown. So some had Metcalfe dropping that far. I don't think. So I know I know about Bill check used to coach with the jets. I think he's going defensive back. Give me safety. Chaz garner. Johnson Florida Patrick Chung job up for grabs a little long in the tooth. You know what I mean? Bella check love defensive backs. Well, always take defensive backs. I don't know if I -gree with this one. I was hoping that sweat would fall all the way down here. He may I if sweat falls there. That's the pick. But they don't they don't like, I think Dexter Lawrence drops. That's the pick. Or of Justin lane. You know, what I mean, I we had lane there. But I think he goes safety with John so ios like the draft is very loaded with defensive players specifically. And I think what it's going to end up doing is. You know, some of these receivers to only have one in the first round. That's crazy an cornerback even to wish in one. This is all about the defensive line. Honestly, this is for the most part, it's edgy rushers and defensive linemen that are making the the bulk of this. I mean how many offensive players period that don't play linemen did got drafted. We had three four quarterbacks running back and a wide receiver insane. So. Guys that about does it do you wanna hit it on any you to take a look at the props real quick any any NFL draft props jump Addy over at my bookie. Again this giants to draft. You gotta look at this draft Wayne Haskins prop the giants drafting him. They're still the favourite. They're still the favourite bangles for two one Bronco seventy-one raiders plus six fifty Redskins plus two fifty. They're the Redskins. I think. Yeah. End up taking them. They're going to trade other. They love that how I love that decay Metcalf pick to them. I just it just seems like such a raiders pick Redskins. Redskins raiders was what I was thinking calamari. I'm still loving that at a plus nine hundred Kyla Murray though, down to minus three fifty four the number one overall pick. He was minus one thousand earlier in the day minus five he goes to the cardinals. So that's interesting that price difference Oakland, Raiders, plus two twenty five it dropped from plus under two plus two twenty five we call this out. We call this out. Joan we did. Hungry dogs. Right. Any any draft props? You like your Colby? I'm sorry. I just got notified that Lillard hit that game winner. Oh, yeah. That was insane. Kramer. And I both had blazers supposed one twenty five in the series. You're welcome. How are those NBA picks working out for us real real quick update? Just for you and me rhyme. We both had told me this was a quick pod cash. It's not that bad time bucks. We both had sweep at plus one eighty coaching. 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Big Blue Big Board: Top 10 Positional Preview Part 2 - Defense

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Big Blue Big Board: Top 10 Positional Preview Part 2 - Defense

"Uh-huh. Hello, welcome back to part of the big big board podcast of our positional. Top tents. Chris we did not go away for very long but ready to break down the defense. Yeah. This is the strength craft right here. So let's get to it shrink the draft of probably the highest volume of where the giants are going to pick. We talked about how they have twelve fix in one of our last podcasts over the weekend. We're not expecting them to pick twelve times. But I would expect a majority of those picks to be on the defensive side of the ball because that is the strength of this craft. And it is the weakness on the giants roster. So what start with a position they are probably going to hit quite heavy. And that is edge. Like we did for the offense. We're going to break down our our top ten's each. And then talk about where we differ who we like a little more than others and would just go by that position by position on. Just like we did offense. So for by edge. We'll get into my top ten of Brian birds from Florida state as edge one Nick Boza from Ohio State edge to Josh Allen. From Kentucky is three Montana's. Wet from Mississippi State four Cohen Ferrell from Clemson at edge five or boy, Bemba Nobu Ed from TCU at six, and then I have chased winna vich from Michigan edge seven o'shane's Jimenez from Old Dominion is edge eight than ethnic Nelson from Iowa is edged nine and Rashawn Gary from Michigan is edged ten for me. Chris let's run down your top ten at Ed. Yeah. Mine is very similar to yours, basically right down to seven. So just start out. I've got Nick Bose's edge one. Josh Allen to Brian burns it three months. Sweat for clone. Feral at five perpich at six. Six and Bandhu at seven. Here's where we started get get a little bit different. I have Christian Miller from Alabama at eight then oceans immunize Old Dominion at nine and Gitai polite out of Florida at ten. Yes. I think edge is pretty straightforward. We only have two guys each who are not on others for me. That's Anthony Nelson from Iowa. I like him a quite a bit. He was fairly productive thirteen percent pressure. Raipur SIS. We rushed about eighty percent of the time. So he does have an ability to drop back a little bit. Obviously if you're drafting someone as an edge rusher, you're not drafting him because of his coverage ability, but Nelson was asked you drop back a little bit. So he does have that ability and t was fairly athletic seventy nine th percentile per spark. So there's athleticism upside there he had a good pressure rate. You can maybe develop him war dude in in the mid to late rounds? And then I think surprising as a we have talked. We found this with the quarterback. I was somehow higher than you on Dan Jones. I'm also apparently higher on Gary who is my edged ten obviously, he is not going to be taken at ten. So I'm not completely taking him at up my top ten if you had him in the third or fourth round and want to try to Bank on his athletic upside up for it. But where he's going to go into first round is why I'm going to say away. But I don't think his production was so bad that you stay away from him completely. I'm going to stay away from him where he's probably going to be drafted though. Yeah. I actually don't have Rashawn Gerry as an edge on my board. I have him listed as an interior defensive lineman at which point I do have him as a third round prospect. But I maybe I'll get into that. When we get to the interior defensive line. I have Christian Miller. Eight the fact that he's injured right now, the a torn biceps I think that hurt him throughout the draft. I I was hoping to get to see him at the senior bowl. And then at the combine and than Alabama's pro day. None of that happened because he was he is really good off the ball. He's got good burst. He can bend around the edge. He can play with his hand in the dirt or out of a two point stance. And he was just disruptive. It was mostly last year. But he when he was on the field he was disruptive. So I I have him as value pick. I I don't know that he will be one of the first ten edges off the board. But I think the team can get him in the middle rounds. They will get good player. And then Jakob polite dot he has had such a weird draft process. I don't know. If he is Ben sick. Or if he got hurt and has been just trying to gut through it. Or if he just got some absolutely terrible advice. But the guy we have seen since January is not the guy. I saw on tape at Florida at Florida. He looked like a young OC human ura. He had probably the best first step in this class and considering this class that saying something. He could get off the ball. And he can just get grape depth with his first second third step. He could bend around the corner. It there were times he was just embarrassing offense of tackles. He was a little bit. Leaner, kind of a smaller guy. So I have feel maybe somebody told him to put on weight, and maybe didn't give them a whole lot of guidance as to how. And because what we saw at the combine he was a lot thicker, and he had just a lot of bad weight. And he had just a terrible workout. So I'm I have him at ten just betting that if you get him get him in house and get him with just a good nutritionist and good strengthen conditioning advice that you could get the guy we saw on the field at Florida back yet, his pre-draft you circuit really concern me through the combine it seemed like he didn't do very well in the interviews. It seemed like he was not really fazed that he didn't do. Well in the interviews and his by testing was atrocious below the first percentile zero point nine percent. So you just you don't see guys six seed there that is so far below what is the expected or accepted athleticism cut off at edge that I would be completely scared away from him. He's someone who would probably be off my board where it's not really worth taking a shot on him. Just because. That Atlanticism was so poor. And so that's why I don't have a mayor. I'd much rather as much as we've said, we don't really like Rashawn, Gary, especially where he's going to go. I would rather bet on that athleticism. That UK polite who has kind of not done this entire process. Well, was one of the worst athletes we could possibly see from the combine. And I just I don't expect that to translate on the field. And then that's that's where we differ there. At the end. I will be at the top. We again, we have the same top three that are switch. I think maybe having Brian burns as edge. One is probably not a very wide held belief. But I like him a quite a bit very epileptic great sparks score and the ninety four th percentile he was second in pressures of bunged this edge class football outsiders. They're sexier, which is their projection system for edge rushers. He was I in. In their sexier projection, which takes into accounts of bit of scouting. And also in their sex you rating, which is just the raw data in doesn't take into account discounting side. So he is very very good edge prospect, and there's not a lot of talk of him being the guy at six for the giants. I think he possibly should be because I think he can be that good. Yeah. I definitely see that with him. He probably has the best bend in this entire class. Just his ability to get even being a little bit taller guy or little bit longer guy. Just to get low and get his hits close to the ground. And. Get that angle between his legs and the ground be as small as possible he can do that better than pretty much. Anyone I have Nick both at one just because he is basically his brother, but with better lateral agility. And we already saw Joey Bosa come in and just straight dominate the NFL as a rookie both of them came in with just absolutely polished pro ready hand usage, it was almost impossible for a college tackle to lock in on neck Bose's chest plate, and it's going to be damn hard for an NFL tackle to do that too. And he also brings power so he could mix a bull rush or a long arm, and then put those hands to work with like, maybe a club rip or other moves like that. So I just like that he has more variety open to him as a pass rusher in we both like Josh Allen. We've said that basically from the beginning I'd like to see him come downhill with maybe a little bit a little bit more of an edge to him as a pass rusher. I think if if he can learn to do that and maybe continue working on getting stronger, he could have a Khalil Mack like pass rush. Then we both have Mont has sweat at four. I don't know what to think about his heart condition. I don't have the medical report supposedly some teams are wary. But also Mississippi State knew about it the senior bowl knew about it. The NFL knew about it. Everybody's cleared him to play football and to work out. So I'm not sure it's going to be a huge deal. But he is just such a phenomenal athlete that I can't have him any lower than four. I'm not terribly worried about his Ben because he doesn't have the most flexible hips like burns does. But he actually does have pretty good flexibility in his ankle. And he can bend around the corner. It's just the Mississippi State rarely put him in a physician do that played him at a lot of four and five technique in the games. I washed him he was only at like seven technique. A couple times. But when he did he was off the ball, and he gave John Taylor headaches. He he embarrassed Alden reisner a couple times. Yeah. I think what it's going to come down to here is the medical for him. I think some teams are going to be okay with what's whatever is going on with the heart issue. He apparently has and that some teams just aren't going to and that's fine. So he's going to get drafted by one of the teams that is okay with what's going on. And I think we kind of saw that with marines hers who was the interior defensive linemen from Michigan had something with his heart. Come up at the combine he dropped to the fifth round. I think some people expected him to go possibly in the first at least the second. He dropped to fifth. I'm not sure sweats going to drop that far but Hearst played all year in Oakland, just fine. So not sure how similar those situations are, but there is a little bit of president there. So let's move on now to the interior defensive line class. All through my top ten women Williams that one and all to Jerry Tillery from Notre Dame three crucial Wilkins from Clemson four of Jeffrey Simmons from Mississippi State at five dream aunt Jones from Ohio State at six Zack Allen from Boston College at seven Dexter Lawrence from Clemson at eight Charles many, Hugh from Texas at nine and tristen hill from UCF at ten Chris. Let's go to use. All right once again, we are pretty similar through the top five. I have quit and Williams. One at Oliver to Jeffrey Simmons at three Christian Wilkins, four Jerry Tillery of five and Jalen Ferguson out of Louisiana tech at six Zack Allan at seven. Charles, Hugh at eight Dexter Lawrence at nine and then Gerald Willis out of Miami at ten so. I think I will start off is saying I believe in Jeffrey Simmons if he was healthy if he hadn't torn his ACL working out for the draft. I believe he would be a borderline top ten pick. He is just that good. He didn't get the buzz during the season that Williams Oliver got. But he he was right there with them. Just great off the ball disruptive stout. Everything you could ask defensive tackle to be. He could do that. Yeah. I think the injury is obviously going to be a pretty big deal. He is coming off an easy L, which I guess isn't as big of a deal as it used to be. But because it happened so late he did miss everything. And so the recovery time is going to be unknown for the start of the season. They're also he did have a you know off the field incident. I believe in high school, so. So I think that might hang up some teams little bit. Although I think if you if you read into what a Mississippi State people have said about him, he's he's been great since being there. So maybe that's not as big of an issue as it potentially could have been. But yet the L does does play a part. You know, I still have him as number five for me. So it's not like I'm completely running off. Obviously like Quinton Williams and Oliver who are just the bee's and should be top ten picks. I like, Jerry, Tim, who is a very good athlete. Very good pass rusher from the interior and one crazy thing about Tillery is he tested really well at the combine with a torn labor them. He got surgery on a torn labor like two days after the combine a so he played part of the season with labor him. He had all his pre-draft process with that torn away. So he just had surgery, but he should be back in that recovery will be a little quicker and with the shoulder. You don't really worry about it quite as much. So he someone I'm very high on. He I think he should be first rounder. And I think when you look at what I think both of us will like I think we do value pass rush from the interior both of us have desert Lawrence quite will again surprise. I am technically higher index or Warrenton. You I have a mid eight you have him nine. But when when you look at the other guys, we have in that area this Allen, the many, Hugh, I have Tristan hill, you have Gerald Willis all of that is pass rush potential from the interior. Yeah. And I do have tristen hill as my ideal eleven so I really like him to I would like to know why he lost his starting job his final year at UCF. But he's just such a great oddly. He's so disruptive. I take the chance on them. I think our biggest difference is probably you have dream on Jones, and I have Jilin Ferguson. I was disappointed in Jones after the season at the combine. He what I saw the calm. I just did not measure up to what I was expecting based on the season. But Jalen, Ferguson, I have him as ninety L not as an edge. You know, kinda like respond, Gary, I don't know that he has just that ability to bend the edge that you need from edged defender, but he is just such a bully. I don't think there's a question he could step in and play five technique or three technique in a nickel situation and give guards fits. So that's just where I am with him. And it kinda have to respect the production. Yeah. That makes sense. I mean for me, I would have great Draymond Jones's production to be a little better. We the twenty-first percentile spark. But he was still able to push the pocket a little bit nine point nine percent pressure rate. Pretty good good enough for me where some of these guys are especially in that area. So when he's able to push the pocket like that from the interior. I think he has more vocal mobility than he has actual great athleticism. Which of course, the guys I think have great athleticism are the guys I have at the top Coen Williams. Who's just really good not a super athlete, but incredible at creating pressure and over who is that super athlete and j Hillary has that potential. So I do like dream on Jones just from a what he was able to show, and then you will get all the other guys and Zack Allen is someone. I think we both like from the ability to play on the inside. Side and the outside and then like Jones a little more than many, Hugh. I think Tristan who is someone talk about he was kind of in all over situation where he was played a little more on the nose, and he probably should have. He probably should have been a little more of a attacking three technique in a more traditional defensive tackle. I think an NFL team puts him there. He will be much better the difference with hill and all of her was he's not at all of her status. So when he got on his coaches nerves I think he'd just lost the starting job instead of just being at all and the coaches being like what we have to put him out on the field. So I think that's a big difference is there. Yeah. And Gerald Willis, I think he is a guy who's kind of been overlooked throughout the process. Just watching the Miami defense there. Twenty seventeen and I at the start of twenty thousand they were fun to watch and Willis just kept flashing in the middle. So I think his best football is a head of him. Yeah. I think so too was decent creating pressure. She would be my interior eleven also. So I think he does have some upside you would like to see a little more of past production for me to feel good. But he was crazy twenty two run sauce, which was the second most for where this interior line class of just behind Quinten Williams, so he's able to get himself into the backfield in the run game. You would hope that translates a little bit into the past game. And that's where I would feel a little better about him there everybody. I'm Neil Patel editor and chief of the verge and this is the verge cast. I is the flagship podcast of the verge every week. We cover the latest Intech news and reviews we took a critical look at what is going on now. And next in the world of tech show hosted by me, our executive editor debone, not your friend and Paul Miller. It just feels like there's something wrong with all computers, though. Don't you think that sometimes we do that on Fridays and on Tuesdays interview episode IV in talking to all kinds of influential people in around the world attack. We talked to Microsoft founder Bill Gates about his philanthropic efforts. You can design systems without having to reveal any individuals particular medical record journalists academics, Lena Khan who thinks that we should be doing way more to break up giant companies game on Facebook in hindsight. Allowing casebook to buy up both what's up and Instagram proved been the wrong call, and we talked to Texas ios video Bill Baxter explained. Exactly, how smart TV manufacturers make their money. It's about post purchase monetization of the TV. It's ads. It's ad. Check us out every Friday to your everything intact. From new iphone leaks to breaking down. Facebook's ongoing issues of private. See to just me and Paul ranting each other about the role of government and check us out on Tuesdays. When I have seen every episode. Subscribe diverse wherever podcast, we'll see. So what's move onto off ball one backer, which interesting? I think we might get some angry emails over this. It's an interesting position where there's a very clear up to and then after that crew knows. So I'll just run down mine. So I think we give it away a little we agree here on the order of the first few which is not widely held belief, but I have Devin Bush from Michigan as linebacker one. Then Devon white from LSU is linebacker to then wake Cashman as linebacker three Johnny via from Hawaii as before. And Ben Burtt curving from Washington is linebacker five take on Coney from Notre Dame as linebacker six. Bobby Ricky from Stanford at seven drew tranquil from Notre Dame at eight MEC Wilson from Alabama at nine and chase Hanson at ten. Know, we are actually the same through the top three different Bush, Devon white. And then late Cashman, though. At also happens to be how the awful linebacker position sorted out with spark with different Bush as the spark monster of the class Devon white a little bit behind him in like Cashman, surprising pretty much everybody and coming up pretty close to Devon white than I have been curbing at four Mak Wilson at five Bobbio Greek at six drew tranquil from Notre Dame at seven Boesch on Joseph of Florida at eight Terrel Hanks of New Mexico state at nine and Dakota. Alan of Texas Tech at ten. I'm higher on Mak Wilson than you are. But I also am not terribly high on him. I think this will be another case of just pedigree and athleticism getting him drafted highly. He has so Alec tree in him where he is defending his spot, and he will not move from his spot. And as as we've seen that's not a great trait, but he is athletic, and I think coaches might decide to take a flyer on him hoping they can coach him out of that. I personally have Blake Cashman member. Kurban pretty not too far behind deafen Bush, Devon white. They're both first round picks on my board. And then Cashman Burkart. Win are solid second round picks. I don't have an awful linebacker in the one the two fringe area. And then with the rest of the guys I just kinda went for athleticism and coverage ability. Yeah. Which is what you should be. Looking at a four elf linebackers. I mean, that's basically what the game is right now if you do not have an athletic linebacker who cover you might as well just not have any one decker on the field at all to get your back. Wilson point one of the reasons I'm pretty low on him is Vito about him during the season was that he was athletic, but he tested as not a great athlete. Indie thirtieth percentile from spark any four seven one, which is not fast. So when you combine that with some of the instincts he lacks a little bit east of quick twitch instincts that he has to to quickly identify something. That's really pushes him down my board to wind Becker nine. I think it shows the state of this linebacker class that I don't really like neck Wilson at all. And he's still my linebacker nine. But I agree with you with the athletes and the coverage Gilani to buy did not test because of a shoulder injury. He had but has been very good. In coverage at Hawaii the same thing for on Coney who did not not test at the combine, but two things Coney has done very well in his career at Notre Dame have been coverage was one of the better coverage linebackers last year. He's been pretty good throughout his career. I think career like four point four yards per target allowed over about thirty three targets. I believe per sports solution. So that's very good to me any Coney not miss tackles, his one of the lowest of broken tackle rates of this class. So even if there's no testable athleticism. I think the fact that he has proven to cover well and does not have broken tackles when he is trying to make them in this class that is more than enough for me. Yeah. That. That is a whole lot of good traits to have at with Divi. I I hate that. He was injured. I wish he could have worked out because a lot more people would be talking about him. Yeah. I think so I think that's possibly why he might be a good value pick for a team that can take him especially in this land class of where. No after the top two maybe this three if you do like Cashman a little bit. But he's not on the same tier of of the two Devon's. So it's going to be trying to figure out what interests you in a backer. Once you get past that Mark end of for a lot of people each it should be coverage that is what rules in the NFL right now these big hawking run stopping linebackers just they don't play often enough to make an impact on teams aren't running often enough for them to make an impact. So what's move on to a position that I believe does make quite a? Bit of an impact and that is quarterback of run through my top ten greedy Williams from LSU is my corner. One by remerci from Washington. Number two, rocky sand from temple number three. Andre Baker from Georgia number four Djamil deed from Auburn number five just in lane from Michigan state is number six or warrior from Penn State is number seven tree on woman from Clemson is number eight Julian love from Notre Dame is number nine and Mike Jackson from Miami is number ten. All right. And I think fairly consistently. My we have the same two top corners. But they're swamped I have Byron Murphy from Washington is CB one, greedy Williams at two than the Andre Baker at three money or warriors at four just in lean at five and David long from Michigan at. Six rocky sin at seven Julian love at eight. Isaiah Johnson from Houston at nine and Joon Williams from Vanderbilt at ten so our top two I just happen to believe the Byron Murphy, even though speed is a problem for him. I think he will get his speed. I don't think he's a slow corner. I think he's faster than he tested the combine because he added weight. So I think that will kind of normalize as he gets used to just being one hundred ninety pound corner instead of one seventy five pound corner or whatever played at Washington. He hit his frame didn't look over overly, bulky. So I don't the wait actually look fairly natural on him. So I think that will speed will come back yet that makes sense to me. I think why I have greedy over Byron who I think both of them are very good. I think greedy spent a lot more time at LSU in man, coverage and Byran Murphy was a lot more in zone at Washington. And that's fine. I just think greedy is going to be able to catch up in man coverage at the NFL a little quicker than by Murphy is although I do think it's not that Byron Murphy's not going to be able to catch up to that. I just think I like grease projection little bit with his size and his lane on the outside in man coverage than I do Byran Murphy who little shorter played a lot in zone. I still think he's going to be very good cornerback still might number two. I just think that puts greedy at the top for me. Yeah. And that's fair. The Andrea Baker. I he didn't take the step forward that I think a lot of people were expecting from him coming into the twenty eight season. But I don't I still like him. He's just a very sticky corner. Once he gets tight coverage on somebody. He just stays there. And I also do like his ball skills. Oria? I think we've been over him enough that he didn't test out as fast as I think people thought, but if you want just a big pressman coverage corner, he's gonna be a good one. And that's something that crops up kind of again, and again and again just in my bottoms five or six Justin lane, David long. Isaiah johnson. And Joe on Williams just all long either look like wide receivers or actually are converted wide receivers. They can. All of them play. Just pressman coverage. I Johnson is guy. He intrigues the hell outta me. I I'm not sure if he's going to last long to be value pig, but I think he could almost be like Darius slay type player once he really gets it because he's still transitioning from a wide receiver and then Rocky's in I'm high on him to keep going back to the battles. He had with deebo at the senior bowl. I would take him basically anywhere starting maybe even the league first round. I would be totally okay. With that. I mean, I'm pretty high on Rocky's in obviously, I spent a quite a bit of time watching him during the regular season for the college football. I did wash in the regular season. I watch temple quite a bit. Because that is where I went to school. So he was he was very good did not allow long receptions at all was basically a completely shut down. So he is like that's why he is my. Corner three right behind greedy. And Byran Murphy then. Yeah. I do have a Andre Baker Djamil dean is someone. I like a what who is not a journalist. He is super athletic. He has to knee injuries, which I believe is probably going to hold up. Some teams is probably why his draft stock is not going to be as high as it should be. He was healthy enough to test at the combine and boy did heat at the combine pretty much jumped through the roof. Four three forty forty one inch vertical one hundred thirty inch broad jump. These are all great explosive metrics, and then when you look at his coverage metrics only allowed thirty one point nine percent of forty seven targets to be completed last year sports influence just under five yards per target allowed. So I think dean has a lot of upside and you'll get a six two. So we also has the link you would like so that's why I am higher on him. Then most and then the other. Guys. I think we just differ a little bit. I think from athleticism David longs. Probably my corner eleven he is super athletic and good. He's just little small were immi. I think he's a was listed at five eleven urge five ten and five eighths of just under five eleven so for me. I was just thinking more. I'd rather focus on some outside guys who can be bigger and win more on the outside might be able to do that. Because he has the athleticism NB college production to a to have that. And then I think I like some other guys like Mike Jackson was also fairly athletic the ninety first percentile in spark and allowed just thirty seven percent of his passes be completed on him alas season. So this is this is a good corner class. I I liked the corners here. I think some people say this isn't a great core class, which may be what you get. Past greedy. And Byron Murphy. There's maybe not the top top tier? But I think there's some pretty useful contributors all over the place. And I think this is a fairly deep cornerback glass. Yeah. Kind of like the awful linebacker. There is a little bit of Gulf between the top two guys. And then everybody else, but there's a lot of players who could fit in a lot of different coverage schemes there are guys who can play pressman. There's guys who could play quarters or or cover to cover three corners. You should be able to find a cornerback that fits your defense in this class. Even if they're not going to be a blue chip star one guy he fell just outside of my top ten that. I like for a lot of the same reasons you like dean is Sean bunting out of central Michigan. Again, he's got the size. He didn't exactly jump out of the gym. Although forty one and a half inches ain't bad. But just all around good athlete that I think a team could take a chance on. Maybe come up with a good contributing player. Maybe even as late as the third day. Yes. It'll be possible. I think might go for that. I think there's been some pickup on the Sean bunting hype forty one percent of passes completed against him. That's good five point seven nine the target last year, which is decent. So again, I think there's it's like you said it's kind of like the linebacker position where afterward just kind of trying to figure out what you're looking for. The thing about quarters is a better way more than the off all linebackers do so what's finishes up with eight go through the safety rankings? So last position. So I will start Chauncey Gardiner Johnson from Florida safety won sear Avary from Delaware's my safety to Taylor rap from Washington, my safety three one Thornhill from Virginia's my CD four Deontay Thompson from Alabama is my safety five money. Hooker from Iowa Eighty-six, darnold savage. From Maryland, my safety seven Jonathan Abram from Mississippi State, my safety eight Morville tell from USC is my safety nine and Chaudhry red wine from Miami is my safety. Ten chris. Let's run through your ten. Okay. Top to Chauncey Gardiner Johnson, and is your Adderley same same. Then four three I have Donald savage Maryland than deonte Thomson out of Alabama Taylor rap out of Washington. One Thornhill out of Virginia. Jonathan Abram out of Mississippi State money Hooker out of Iowa than Google Ahmadi out of Oregon engine Kwan Johnson out of Miami. Really, the only places we have different guys are at nine and ten I think I've been fairly consistent about liking go Ahmadi just because of his coverage ability. He I don't he didn't test out as a great athlete. But you know, he is just really good at coverage. So for free safety. I have to like that. I think I'm higher on Darnell savage than a lot of people are apparently not because I think Rappaport tweeted that he might be finding his way into the back half of the first round. So people people finally starting to listen to me because for me he just plays up to his name when he comes downhill from a deep zone. He is just savage, and I think he might be the fastest safety in this group. He had a great combine he does everything he can cover out of the slot. He can play a deep zone. He is. Fearless coming downhill. I just really like watching him play. He's someone who can move around. Wait a bit. Let's see him for solutions. He played twenty two point two percent of his naps from the slut last year. A seven point six percent in the box. He was a super. Athletic safety from the combine eighty six percentile of four three six forty. So he does have that straight line speed, which you like I do like him. I just I think I like a couple of guys more than him who potentially a little athletic can move around a little more still have him as safety seven. I like a money Hooker Deontay Thompson little more. I think one Thornhill can possibly be that he was a little more athletic, especially perspec- and can move around a little bit. And I liked the little bored. What he did at Virginia than what savage did the, but I'm not going to be opposed to you liking, darnold savage a lot. I think that's a good bit of this is because we're grouping all safeties together is a little bit eye of the beholder here. Again, I think a lot of this is, but because we're more so in this position and the rest is kind of playing different positions. One. Thing the giants will like specifically as guys who can play all around. I think you have that with most of the guys we listed. Chauncey garner Johnson. You basically was a nickel corner last year, but can play free safety complex Strug safety. He can play all over the field. Just mix plays literally everywhere. He is so good. And so fun to watch probably outside of Cuyler Murray. Maybe my favorite prospect to watch in color Murray was just insane. Chauncey Gardiner Johnson just made plays all over the place. Not surprising. He is the safety one for both of us as we get into our differences Morville tell for me, I've like him a lot. He is a guy who can play. I think all over the place had super athletic. Good testing at the combine in the ninety nine th percentile of Boric. We ran a four five nine. But all these other testing was crazy four a one short shuttle, which is kind of insane. He was great in the jumps. I think he has the ability to play all three safety position. So I think that at the lettuce and that first Tillery I think can make him a mid to wait round steel on the same thing goes for Sheldrick red wine who was also of fairly athletic and can play all those different position. So I think that's why I have those two they're over the the two guys you have at the bottom. Yeah. And that's fair. I would say more telled among these safeties wins the name game. And you know, if he makes a roster and becomes a player in a major contributor. He's going to get nicknamed captain marvel. That's just going to happen. Let's do it. Right. Win win vendors and game also comes out. Yeah. Yeah. And she's still in theaters. So there you go the original captain Norval. That is true. And now we are getting nerdy on a whole different area. I'd never restrained. 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Silver & Black Pridecast Ep 9: Mailbag 2.15

Silver & Black Pride

28:08 min | 2 years ago

Silver & Black Pridecast Ep 9: Mailbag 2.15

"Welcome back everybody through this Dover and black Friday as always Levi Damian, and I'm here today with the one and only Tyler Smith. How's it going? Tyler was your Valentine's Day. It's going to greet times. They was fantastic as usual. That's good to era. Everyone else out there had a wonderful and loving Valentine's Day. And if not who cares. I was just another day. You can celebrate didn't find other days to enjoy your self and your loved ones, but that's not. We're here talk about. We heard talk about the raiders who had a pretty eventful offseason. They hired a new general manager. They they have seventy million dollars spend under the cap they have five picks five high draft picks four in the top thirty five. It's a it's a off season of hope as they like to say. And with that we decided it's time well over do. In fact, do another mail bag podcast. So we sent out the the call for you to ask for ask your questions, and as usual you guys stepped up and ask them pretty phenomenal questions. So we're gonna do just as we did before we're gonna ban those out alternately an I will ask Tyler the first question. So Tyler Jay pepper thirteen asks do you hate the mock draft of Sean Gary to the raiders at four as much as the rest of do? I really do. And I hate it for this reason, I'll I'll ever it on that the fact that this is a three player draft essentially and the raiders had the fourth pick, which is possibly the worst pick. They could possibly have in this draft. The the value is at one through three. And then the value is at a centrally. Fifteen through thirty four is not the place. You want wanna be the raiders failed? So hard to season they failed to go top three pick the the best players in this data, obviously, Nick Bosa cleaning Williams and Josh Allen. There's there's no real question about that four is where he would wanna take a quarterback in the raiders don't need a quarterback as far as I'm concerned so four they're just they're slugging people doesn't he's mock Jeff's that the raiders really shouldn't be taking it for and shouldn't even be slotted for to anybody. If the raiders don't get one of those three players I mentioned for they should absolutely tray down. I don't think there's any question about that four should be where someone like Dwayne Haskins goes or or someone like like Daniel Jones or someone wants to treat up for him. Those are the types of players who should be going in for Sean, Gary is the guy who should be going in eight or nine, and that's that's fine. We're Sean gearing wasn't the most productive guy in college. Although he's an absolute physical marvel. He's a freaky obese. He's an animal. He's gonna do. On the NFL, but he's not gonna do well enough for you should consider him pick four in the raiders stay at for. I think if they're gonna stay for and take a defendant should take Leland feral there. I think he's the only defender that comes even close to being considered for the for the fourth spot. So I really don't like the pick of Rashawn Gary there on a lot of Montreal's. Even I've seen. Fair enough. All right. The next question here is for you leave. I and raider old timer asks do you feel the raiders should take a shot at Tyler Murray? Is he worth the gamble? Well, first of all, I don't think he's a gamble in general. But I don't think the raiders would take him and has nothing to do with Murray. He's fine quarterback. And I think he'll do well in the NFL. I mean, anything guys like Russell Wilson proved a few years back that they're the hype thing is for quarterback is is pretty pretty overrated. I think it's just the way that they try to go about eliminating quarterbacks. Trying to find the perfect specimen in that. Just doesn't always work out that way, I would be interested before I go onto. Anything else you'd mentioned guys like Dwayne Haskins and stuff. What is what is your opinion of Cuyler Murray as a prospect, a well when you kinda Murray you see a guy who reminds you of Russell Wilson he can run really fast to throw the ball. Really, really? Well, he's fairly accurate. The problem kinda Mary has these five with nine, and that's just not going to press too. Many people people can use Wilson as a competent in my opinion, better compass, actually Doug Flutie does what he had a really good arm. That's what he was accurate. Doug. So he could run and Doug Flutie was short. And does what he had a long long football career in the CF L, and that's fine. You can make a good living doing that. I'm not sure color. Marie is going to have the kind of success in the NFL that he had the big twelve. And I I'm just not sure he's a top ten prospect. I like him a lot. I think he's a fantastic player. But I just think his is like fight is going hampering quite a bit. Well, I think it's a good thing that there are people that get paid a lot of money to make those decisions. And it's not me. 'cause 'cause I mean, you you don't often see guys that are as short as he is. And I'm and I mentioned that I think it's overrated the height thing but five nine is quite short. I mean that's short for running back. So, but who really knows? I mean, really what it comes down to is the first part of that question is or the raiders should take a shot at him. And I don't think they should take. Because I see I see them giving their car another year to try and prove that he can get the system down well enough to play outside of it. And that means improvising. When things don't go as planned and taking shots down to feel like we saw him doing twenty sixteen. We haven't seen him do last couple of years so much and mostly last year. What he did a lot of checking down people like to call on the fact that he went over four thousand yards for the first time. But you know, he would have done that in two thousand sixteen while at the same time taking shots down the field. So that's what you really want from him because you want those winds to go along. With the numbers, and you could make the argument that they should draft Murray. If you like I mean if card is at work out they'd have their future supposedly waiting in the wings. But if car doesn't work out there are couple of great quarterbacks in the next draft as well that look a lot better than the order Bax in this one. I mean, would you give a chance to take one of them because you already have Marie or car does work out? Then you have a guy you took it fourth overall just wasting away on the bench when you could have drafted a player who could step in and contribute from day. One. Just doesn't seem like a wise strategy to me now if by some chance Gruden shocked the world, which would be first time in traded car way that would be a different story all I can do at this point is go by what he said in the past and -ssume that he's gonna take a more patient approach for once so moving on so for you raider fan thirty five ass who should be target. If the raiders trade. Down. And I'd also like to know more about Devon white seems over hyped. Well, I think the two guys I mentioned the first question Cleland feral, and Rashawn Gary those should be the primary targets the raiders straight down. And I and I don't see a whole lot of other guys that are in that I would say seven to the fifteen area besides perhaps cornerback, greedy Williams from LSU. He would also be an option there. The raiders wanted to to bulk up the secondary a bit. But I think Gary and feral are the addresses that the raiders are going to need to basically replace almost no production from from the defensive end position. I think those are both two pretty blue chip guys. He would want between picks eight and twelve eight and thirteen that would really really be what the doctor ordered for the raiders they can get some good fresher out the edge. Sean, Gary can even go inside the defensive tackle in a pinch and feral assist. Appear beast edge rusher. I really really love him and people saw. What he did? And then national championship game against Alabama. I'm basically dominating the offense of lying, but he was doing that all season he's been doing that as a tire college career. Clemson. I've watched probably over a dozen of Clemson games during Farrell's time there, and he's impressed in every single one of them. So that's the main guy that I would consider the raiders drafting if they were to throw down for sure as far as Devon white goes, he might be a little over hyped just because he seems to issue contact, and and not really wanna get in there sometimes, but you're not gonna find the guy with better measurable than Devon white. You're not gonna find the guy who looks the part more than Devon white. He he absolutely makes an impact on the game is good tackler. He's got good lateral speed. And quickness you can cover a little bit at middle linebacker. That's the type of player that you want and he can fit any scheme. I think he's got the ability to do that. I think he can fit Paul W gap scheme at the rate is one of the take him out. That would be perfectly fine by me. The raiders don't really have a long-term solution at the middle position. I like Marquel d a lot. But I don't necessarily see him as the guy. I think he's a guy. But I think didn't wanna see lives up to his potential can be guy. So I like him a lot. Yeah. He might just be over hyped from the name Devon white as far as being above the production of the actual Devon white and realize, but I think he can grow into something that you really really happy to have in your organization. All right. Looks like the next question is for you. If I and g pepper thirteen with the second question that they asked what are your thoughts about the combine? I'm almost at the point of wishing that we never go to it. Because I'm tired of getting the let guys who can't play football. And would rather we use mostly game tape for our valuation. Well, I mean, I think the over the days of over drafting that that these crazy athletic guys kinda left when L Davis passed on. It's really more of just a reputation at this point. And and every year all the people who make predictions still kinda make their predictions based on that kind of easy formula. They used to do from years past the, you know, I think I think there is a lot to be gleaned from the combine I tend to watch it. I mean, I would suggest looking at specific events for specific positions because some of ints matter to certain positions in some not so much, you know, you can you can confirm things with the forty time, but mostly for just physicians like wide receiver and cornerback. I mean, you shouldn't really care too much about. The forty time of like offensive linemen or maybe interior defensive linemen so much. Although, of course, when one of them like a three hundred pound guy, or at you know, two sub five or something like that used attendant, you know, your perk up a little bit. But I mean, it's not that not that vinyl. Is the same for the vertical jump when you're talking about like the wide receivers and quarterbacks you're talking about. They had a lot of speed. Usually means they have some good our leg strength music and usually jump pretty high and that's important as well. Likewise, you look like the three cone is really good for judging running backs, and you can if you like you can judge linebackers two same way because shows like lateral agility and stuff like that speed quickness, my favorite drill at the combine one that I will I will watch multiple times is the gauntlet drill. And that's where for those who don't know. It's where the receivers like they'll turn one direction. Catch a pass jump jumping turn the other direction. Catch passing them the run in a straight line turning to each side catching passed along the way, and it's it's not easy drill. And pretty much never fails that the drafts best receivers accelerate auto, and it's a tough drill. And and the ones who make it look easy, though. They really stand up, and you can also Dell the guys who struggle as a you can hear balls smack their hands as they come come at them in the this the their movements really jerky because the their little panic really like comfortable running that drill. And then there's the rare guys just look like they can do it in their sleep. And those guys are the ones that really stand out in my mind when I watched that drought things like that. So I like I said they might make always a now the one of the answers for the for the combine he he won't be there this year lease not his what he has to say won't be public. But but you tell the he gets he gets a lot from combine as well. As basically just you mentioned the tape you have to go back to tape all the time because you don't want any guy type situations, but but you can confer. Things with what you see at the at the combine. And you can you can you like, oh, a seam like he was faster, you know, things like that, you know, basically just kind of adds or takes away a little bit from what we what you already know about the the prospects. Anyway. Okay. So let's move on the next one angle raider asks, regardless of whether we resign cook or not he's talking about Jared cook. Should we be looking to try to add TJ Hawkins soon? With one of our later first round picks. I'm inclined to say, no. And it's not because DJ Hodkinson isn't a great player. This is a very interesting draft in that. There are two first round tight end prospects and both of them are hawk. I don't think I've ever seen something like that before the tight end position or two guys come from one school, and they're both I run first draft picks almost certainly both of them will be taken on the first day. And I don't think so just because the readers have so many needs on defense and also receiver and Jerry Cooke really, isn't that old and behind him. We have lease myth and the raiders have got like Derek carrier, and there's even guys behind that who should get who should get some playing time to show what they can do and the raiders have so much needed a wide receiver spot. And there's there's several good wide receiver prospects the first run on those two guys from ole miss Brown and decay Metcalf, and there's a guy from wanna stay in Kiel Harring, who I'm really high on. And I would rather the raiders take any one of those. Receivers over aside in the first round, you can get a title later, if you really want some death. But I think what the raiders have at the types. They should might actually right now be one of their strongest positional groups. So I wouldn't I wouldn't look at Hopkinson for the raiders. But I definitely think he'll go in the top twenty for sure. And so we'll teammate Noah fan he might he might go in the top twenty five. But I don't think the raiders should look into that. In the first round now. Okay. So next question is for you Levi Maru twenty six asks who's big board y'all think is the best to look at and who's prospect rankings and breakdowns. Do you trust the most? Well, Mike Mayock. He was a must every year. So it kinda kinda sucks that we won't be seeing those anymore in the years in your recent years. I really liked what Dame burglar puts out used to CBS sports reach recently signed with the athletic. What do you? What do you guys? Would you say you trust Tyler? Yeah. I I've been reading may offer a long time. And you know, I read I read this stuff on ESPN from from milk, hyper, you know, and all those guys, and I also also look at Walter football. He's the guy runs a a football website. And he he publishes a mock draft, basically every three days, and he's got a big board. And I've always done it, very useful for research purposes. And when it comes down to it, he he he gets pretty accurate Texas far as who's going where so I've always like Walter, and I've always like Mike may as well. Really? I mean, you could go one of you can go a lot of different direction. I think optimum scouting has a pretty good big board. But really my what I would recommend is not taking any one draft analyst or publications big board all by itself. Not in a vacuum. You know, and get a second opinion third fourth fifth opinion because sometimes they can vary greatly. If if you have to and I've done this make a spreadsheet, but several big boards side-by-side, compare them. I mean hell it's the off season. What else what else are you gonna do talk family urea? All right. So next up here Tyler Reiter, one eight seven asks will Derek Carr show improvement next year and can he get back to winning football? Well, those are two different questions entirely will carshow improvement. Let's not forget the car was actually pretty darn good. As far as his raw numbers from us season. Did he throw a bunch of interceptions day might have thrown a little more interceptions than we'd like to see? But he threw for a boatload of yards and any through for quite a few touchdowns as well. I mean in a vacuum. Cars numbers are not that the team was bad. So winning football was a different story. But let's also not forget that their car is essentially a different offense coordinator every single year that he's playing the raiders have been such flux as far as their coaching staff cars had no consistency whatsoever. The only thing he's had in his career is a fairly decent offense of line almost every year. Maybe the first year. So much maybe last year as they had a lot of injuries that that, you know, they'll some blows the car security, but as far as coaching and being in the same system year after year, not so much. So I'm definitely looking for improvement from car inasmuch as he's working with Jon Gruden for the second year in a row, and then he'll be in third year row fourth year in a row, you know, God willing that he stays and then he doesn't treat it away. But I think you'll continue to get better and better and more comfortable. I mean, we saw we've seen drew Brees work with Sean Payton for so long, and they're essentially a well oiled machine now. And when you have a talented coat coach with a good offensive system and talented quarterback, and they grow together, and they learn to their tenancies what they can and cannot do then it gets better and better and better so long as the team doesn't completely crater. Now, the raiders are going to have to improve their defense. So that car isn't playing from behind all the time because some of the stuff I were garbage time. There's no there's no question about that. We're not gonna be dishonest here, but I just think that winning a little different than car improving winning football. You have you have to get run. Again, you have to get an offensive line. And you have to improve your defense across the board. If you do that what what their car is already shown. He can do is perfectly fine. And I think he'll continue to get better as well. So I'm gonna go guess, and I'm gonna I'm gonna also say if they make some really good offensive draft picks. And and the guys they have continued to grow and Paul unders defensive system, I'm gonna go. Yes. In the winning football as well. So the next question for you leave. I is your semi raider asks how will the tackle positions on week one? That is the twenty two million dollar question. That's basically touch on something you just mentioned a moment ago. 'cause that's twenty million dare cars making this, by the way. And if they don't get tackled the tackle position figured out they maze. We'll just flush that gash down toilet. 'cause he can't really function without protection. If it were me, I wouldn't have started cold Miller left talk room. I place are stuck with Donald Penn at left tackle, let Miller play right tackle received before even considering moving into left tackle perhaps in the second season or maybe even leaving him at right tackle and bringing in another left tackle. I mean, you basically you give yourself a year. You see what he looks like? And then you make your decision that gives you that flexibility to say, hey, should we bring Packers should bring a right tackle thing where you wanna play Colt Miller and don't give me the injury stuff because you can't predict that. I'm when I say the stuff I mean to Donald Penn. I firmly believe that will pen switching from left tackle rights. Suddenly for the first time in his career was the primary reason why ended up being injured again in the first place. But you know, that being said we can't go back in time. We can't change what he's done what the decisions gruden's made with the office of line, and they didn't go that route. They instead they put Miller left tackle in right from the start which basically that is is the long play. And it's digest that they intend to keep him there next season as well. And you know, and if he plays well, keep going at left tackle, if he doesn't maybe they'll revisit that. But he looked he gave up a sixteen sacks for sure he looked very raw. But did struggle with any injury that he suffered are about same time earlier this week four as L assembly suffered his injury. And that injury will certainly by him some time now by some slack as far as. Coaching staff judgment of his overall talent figure in let's see what he can do when he's healthy Parker. Renan Parker on the other hand is another story. Almelo had the injury. Excuse Parker was just flat out terrible. He didn't have the injury gives. They. Either. They'd be really smart to either sign a free agent to play right tackle or use one of their four fix thirty five. And I would go with the former because I believe there are some pretty decent. Right. Tackle potential right tackles that are going to be on the market and you bring in a guy. You could you could bring in a guy who had a very least provide competition with Parker for the job at at most. He could jump in as the starter this season perhaps beyond that. And then if Parker down the road, if he develops give another shot at that time when it would be just be irresponsible. The back themselves into a corner again with Parker as the only option without giving another guy shop. Tyler next one's for you. Gabe Ruth asks who's the one prize free agent? You think the raiders will land and will free agents want to come to Oakland with the mess that has been going on? Well, those are two those are two different questions, and I can certainly address them both the one free agent. I think the raiders will land is today being clown. When I was I saw video from NFL total access. I work just two days ago and Willie McGuinness was asked to the who's the one free agent that really fits the raiders. And he said, well, David clowney, they need an interesting and clowney is the best free agent for that cloudy came out, and we talked about the combine today cloudy is the guy who absolutely destroyed the combine. I mean, he was an absolute fiscal marble, physical freak. He was what everyone thought he was going to be an more. And that's the liquefied him at the top of that particular twenty fourteen draft even above guy like who you'll MAC and he came out and played and got injured and really wasn't that good. But in the last couple of seasons, he's grown into his potential each become more or less. What everyone thought he should be? And he's just playing at a at a fantastic level right now. He's in. Leap edge rusher. He's a defensive end that everyone would to have on their team. And that's the guy the raiders should target. And I think and I think they're going to have to get if they want to really be competitive they have to get Dave in the world. And I think they'll get him as far as wanting to come to Oakland. Well, it at this point you're signing guys for Las Vegas because they're going to be there next year regardless of where the raiders play with its Oakland. San Francisco, you know, Birmingham or the moon. It doesn't matter. These guys are signing four five year deals, and the vast majority of it is going to be a shiny new stadium on the Las Vegas strip. So that's what guys are signing up for their signing up for no-one some tax signing up for the Las Vegas life signing up to play for the Las Vegas raters. And I think that's a very attractive option for a lot of guys who are in the market right now. Okay. So next question. The last the last question, in fact, it's for you twenty crow asks, do you think any of the interior lines starters are gone this off? Season. Well, this what if there's one player in there? I could see potentially being moved its Colletti assembly not to say that they absolutely would. But you know, we're on the odds is not going anywhere. He's kinda like the foundation of that offensive line. He's got a few years left on his contract. And and gave Jackson was just resigned last year think to along contract, and he's still young so assembly is do ten point two million dollars next year with no dead money left behind if he's cut and his only goes up twenty twenty and it would be a shame because his tells kinda wasted. They've been kind of wasted last two seasons with switched his own blocking. Whether it's laterals owner down on wherever they wanna call it, really. They should go back to what made him in all pro in the first place in the raiders when the best lines league instead of trying to, you know, cutting him or trading or whatever they would possibly do any seven seventy million dollars in cash room. The really no reason why they should feel. They need to start cutting his salary anything like that. They don't need to kill any space for the to get into the salad crap or anything like that. I would suggest keeping an eye on John Feliciano. He's headed fee free agency and a fleece Yano resign for cheaper. He's younger and their force contract would start with the rebuild while semi's contract will be up after twenty twenty when he turns turns thirty two one we'll stay the other will go. So that's something to keep an eye on. All right. I guess that's it. Yep. That's all questions. We have. All right. We'll again just awesome questions from the the readers. 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The Kist & Solak Show #80: Part II - Overrated/Underrated Draft Prospects

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The Kist & Solak Show #80: Part II - Overrated/Underrated Draft Prospects

"Copy that listening again Benjamin so Lang. It's the kissed in Solex show, presented pine SP nation and bleeding great nation. You are flying high on the kissed and so lack show. This is episode eighty brought to you by the fine folks at SP nation and bleeding green nation. I am your host Michael kissed. Follow me on Twitter at Michael kissed NFL. That's K. I S T as always joined by the best dog on co host in the game, Mr. eight year streak without a bad day. He is Benjamin. So lack follow him on Twitter at Benjamin elect, that's S L A K, Ben new interim using I tried to make it as squirrelly as possible. How you doing? On that. I thought it was the Bob I loved it. I thought I shall I call him. That's what I said. When I listen to for the first time, I thought it was like an intro to a BBC show, and it was like dramatically overlooking overcast London in there was like, you know, cool cinematography things. I don't really understand. I was ready to go. And and learn about all the all the the secrets held within. I feel very is bad because it sounds professional. That's the problem is we're gonna listen to podcasts Bank. Oh, wait. That's not what this is false impression area, professionally produced not very professionally said out loud by true professional. I don't know. Why you're you know, you're doing I do not bend. So this is going to be a continuation of the previous podcasts Kitson's kissing so lax seventy nine where we talked overrated. Underrated prospects for the NFL draft the tot Heyrman slash brand Brooks podcast, which everyone suits your fancy right, which one is this Jordan Mathews. I couldn't find one with eighty. So I I'm not gonna say us a list because I don't. Obviously. But if I work using the list, there might be a problem on the list words divided by twenties and the sixty one to eighty list stop suddenly at seventy nine and eighty one to one hundred lists starts backup eighty one. So there was no eighty on the list if I used the list, which I don't it's a good thing. You knew that at the top of your head. All right. I kind of feel the situation. So Ben before we get to part two of our overrated. Underrated draft prospects breakdown. Let's take a quick look here at the NFL calendar and some dates of which we need to be aware February nineteenth. So Tuesday of this week was the first day in which teams could franchise or transition tad players that deadline to apply. Those tags is March fifth four PM. Now, this is obviously important for the eagles on dial back to that in a second. Now, the next big days, and they're approaching fast the NFL combine that runs from February twenty six to March fourth now this is before the legal tampering period, which starts on March eleventh where? Teams can speak to agents about soon to become free agents with expiring contracts, but we know that discussion happens anyway because you've got everybody in the same spot for a week. And that's just kinda what occurs so again the legal tampering. Periods starts March eleventh, which kicks off negotiations for free agents that hits a crescendo on March thirteenth four PM, which is the official start of the new league year, and all of these contracts and signing the start becoming official in a massive wave in a big news dumb. So that's a big day. But let's get back to the tag discussion, which is the window. We are currently in for the next two weeks. Ben, according to Jason lockenfora, who I think is an possibly attention starved hack has reported that smart people around the league believed that Nick foles will be tagged. But he said that he did not believe that to be the case Adam Schefter reported that the eagles are expected to tag falls back when foles opted out of his contract when the eagles picked up the option and pro football talk reported that the eagles made get themselves into some hot water if. If they tacked fulls just to trade him because the tag would not be applied in quote, unquote, good faith. There isn't update on that. Last part. Adam Schefter was on ninety seven five the fanatic this morning. And here's what he said about it quote. I can tell you this. I can't speak at length. But I was told flat out that's false false if they wanna use the tag with the sole intention of trading him being foles, they can that won't prohibit that move. So Ben this whole discussion could become dated just as quick as our mock draft reselected Jefferson's in the first round, but we can make it quick because we spoken about our expectations going into the several times. I don't expect the eagles attack foles. But that most recent clarification in statement, by Schefter is worth mentioning because if he's correct in the eagles were to tag foles, I'm of the opinion that it's because there's an immediate trait in place. Those are the only two feasible options that icy likely the idea that the eagles would tag foles than retain him on the roster is beyond ridiculous for list of reasons. I can't fit into a forty. Minute episodes when not even going to entertain that nonsense. Ben, what's at you. Good faith, bad faith, zoos, two thousand eight thousand nine I believe it was when the patriots franchise Matt Cassel traded him away. And the reality was that if castle did not want to go to where he would have been traded, which the only reason the pages would have offered Metag is if they had the trade in place castle just never have signed the tag. And then thereby there would have been no bad faith discussion. Right. It's not like today. Foles sign the Tak. We're gonna keep you next year, buddy. All okay in the most of the time of hot food. You returning not like the only way they signed the tag is it falls in his agent are cool with with the trade because otherwise folger's gonna say I'm not gonna sign it. And that you're gonna have a discussion of good faith, bad faith. So it's not also there's no way trait happens in bad faith. There's either a trade in good faith or a hold on the franchise tight crucial note crucial note, the widow. Oh to sign the the tags starts now ends March fifth. I believe what you said on the tag the window taggants. Remember Philadelphia can't trade foles until the new league year opens. Right. And so if wants to tag foles they have deal in place by March fifth tag foles hold him on the tag for eleven for eight days. Make sure there'd be under the cap with his twenty five million figure when the league your opens trade him, right? When the league Eurropen because I'm ninety I'm seventy eight percent shore. Even if they're trading him the moment league your opens, they still have to be under the cab when they trade in the can't come in over the cap trade him and that gets them under the cap in the league year. I'm pretty sure it can't be simultaneous, and I can confirm. I'm just reading this firm operations, not NFL dot com. All clubs must be under the two thousand nineteen salary cap prior to four pm New York time March thirteenth, which is when the league your opens. Correct. When the ovens exactly so it can be bang bang. But they they. They would have to make cuts and they do have room to make you pretty much view cut. Timmy, Jernigan one other smaller contract, you probably have space. That's a tricky situation though. And then have the faith deal is not gonna fall apart. In the meantime, which is why way back when we were talking about this. And we're still talking about this way that willing. I about this. It's written on blink relation. The tag trait is significantly less likely than picking up the option and trade which did not happen, which indicates there will be no tagging trade, which means falls will hit free agency. Because in a sign option in trade. Philadelphia has leverage they can say, I will send you falls. It'll be for twenty two million twenty five little lesson would be on the tag et cetera et cetera. They can sign falls that option. And then they could have cut him if a deal fell through with no penalty relate. Whereas the franchise tag is fully guaranteed. They ended they even if they were like cut foles the pain the twenty five million regards on the roster. Regards ninety plays regards Manati gets injured. And so they have no leverage a team can beg. Listen. We're you know, we're we're we're doing this deal March fifth, they can tag falls, and then the team could could back out. It would be scummy what they could. And Philadelphia's is stuck there with their pants around their ankles owing close twenty five million, no matter what happens, you know. They'd probably find a really cheap way to shop him. That would be what you'd have to do like, you take pretty much any pets to get twenty five million dollars off your books, but they would read that. That's why attack trade super dangerous. Remember it has to the furnace to be applied by March fits so they can't wait until March fourteenth to tag coming under the cap trade. And then do free agency all like three minutes like it has to be done before March fifth, so attack trades very unlikely he's gonna walk increasing the end what I'm also seeing as we talk about this off season before we get into the main topic of the show is I think it's Matt Verda rain is reporting that the Redskins are highly unlikely to tag Preston Smith per at the. The fan cited fellow wrecked. Yes. He says Smith twenty six is going to have a significant market. When free agency opens we'll see if that's true. But that is maybe a guy that the eagles would be pursuing. We talked about the Tony Pauline report saying that he goes will be active in free agency. Trying to make a splash at the edge position. He's a guy that we talked about on the last show as well. So go back and listen to kiss, and so lack show number seventy nine if you want to hear more about him as a possible target for the eagles as we move through this process that is the off season and part of that process in the offseason is figuring out who like who we don't like from this two thousand nineteen NFL draft class last show as we said this is part two of series overrated underrated draft prospects ban. I'll kick it off with one guy that I don't know is necessarily overrated. But I think testing is going to be very important for him. And I see people that are a lot higher on him than I am. I think one of them may be used. So I just wanted to kind of open a discourse with you. Don't have a final grade on this guy. But I don't see him greeting out very. Okay. Well for me, and that is a key Butler, the wide receiver out of state. I'm watching I'm finishing my team butter eve out today. So asking this question again, like eight hours youthful, so what I have concerns within. Then we'll get to your guy is the fact that I have serious doubts on I actually think he's after the catch. She's he's better than I would expect from a guy who I watched the routes them. I have concerns about his hips about his ability to change direction about his ability to make hard angle cuts like curls comebacks in. Even some of the in breaking out breaking routes the ability to create separation with his nuance in his rows. I don't think is there. I just think he just muscles people, and it's obvious. There's one thing to like push off like alshon Jeffery does like a lot or like the Andrea Hopkins. Hakeem Butler cre- to separation with a next level push off. It's like the New England Patriots Seattle Seahawk style for defensive backs where they hold every play knowing that the referees aren't gonna call it. All the time. He does that with pushups at the catch point. And it really concerns me because I don't see him creating separation any other way. So we'll dial back on him. And we get to him especially after his combine testing, which is going to be important for him. But has serious doubts about keen Butler wide receiver out of Iowa State. I believe us overrated will see us get to finish his benefits his tape. Ben gimme overrated guy in the strapless today came by the point. I don't think overrated, I do have them. Quite right highlight him number one when it comes to loosen, hats and change direction. Absolutely. When you have a six six guy. He's just you know, like the benchmark for his wiggle is gonna be love without the dudes. Why is that like it's important scouting like when you watch a six six guy doesn't change direction as well. He has so much more mass in terms of his life by his calves. I just his leg to get through a larger radius of rotation right because he's got a longer stride when is changing direction. So just think about good example, Finley the whenever we're talking about like tour. In the example of it. Like, it's like try to push open a door at the door handle as far away from the hinges. You can this is not a good example form trying talk about actually I mean, just I mean, just a like a one for one comparison you look at like build like a Darren sproles in house shifty he is because of the short legs in the step frequency that. He has that short stride compared to maybe like a bigger guy like Luxair blunt who was more of a straight line guide. I mean, you see like six three corners all the time that struggle because they're high hip to turn because they have such that that length in there in a bottom half, plus the mass to Derrick Henry not the greatest zone runner because he's got a shift down. He's gonna downshift all of that weight. And then get going again, Ben is really working through the analogy that he wants to make your that keen Butler as I try to fill airtime, even though I don't have to 'cause I'm just going to edit this podcast. Anyway, that say all this is gonna be out can't even get an allergy anyway. So because he's gonna be a long strider. He's not gonna have great change direction. But for what we see in him. And I think especially like I watch a lot of twenty seventeen tape when they had Allen Lazard there. Czar was running vertical third rounds? Come back. Earl depot off the famous slot. A vase six to fifteen slot. And then he got a lot more optionality in his route breaks you saw better separation quickness there, whereas what he was asked to do in twenty eighteen be their vertical third wide receiver. There wasn't nearly as much of that ask in terms of his ability to break off routes. He gets lazy with his feet and his breaks at times. But also, he's not a player who is a role anticipate being like, hey, look, make sure you separate on this both will break route. I may be like, hey, go taller than other people. Yeah. Mineable on concerned with image is going to be released off the press because against a lot of the big twelve defensive that he faced he simply is not seeing a ton of physical coverage within the contact window, Anna here, the push off thing. But but when it comes to like adjusting to the when it comes to addressing the football downfield. I want my six guy to to push off into dial that back instead of in my opinion, a guy like Mikhael Harry who six four to twenty and I wanna teach them how to be a little bit more of a man down the field. Right. With sounds. Weird. Save on kill Harry of. I don't like gray point night. I'm with you there. Yeah. So I think there's a lot lots like that it came baller end. And to the point that you Ila should his strength. You got the ball in that guy's hand. It's really something that he can do in terms of his physicality his long speed. So he's a lot of fun. I think he's gonna he's gonna jump. Really? Well, I to have a decent ten yard split on his forty which means good explosiveness and think that vertical profile is gonna be what what helps him get get drafted as a day. Do guy was gonna help him get up in the top names. She I guess overrated. I kill Harry, then in terms of wide receiver his thing that to kill Harry. He doesn't try very hard a lot. And that's probably because it's one thing to sun the, you know, corners out of Utah by being bigger and stronger than them. But it's another thing to go up against Oregon. Go against Arizona. Not a good defensive team AirAsia decent. But not great corners in Oregon and get regularly physically bodied within the contact window down the. Red line on your vertical stems when you have no business doing that. There's no reason for that. He does not recruit his hands through the contact with. No when we talk about the contact info, the you know, the the five yards where a legal contact is allowed from the corner. The convict can generate contact in the NFL in the consequent of Nikki Haley fails to recruit his hands. He doesn't have good route running ability. He regularly gets to the break point gives little dance. Little jabs Cecil little shake and then breaks to the outside without using any relation of leverage. He doesn't attack half. Man. You doesn't force a corner to squares up and tries to get outside of them. Again, doesn't recruit his hands to generate separation doesn't adjust as routes while to coverage either. Like people regularly ran trap coverage underneath him. And he didn't know how to adjust move for back shoulders generate upward push to great throwing window. And he might know all this. I think there's flashes of him knowing it, but the reality is like usual film and a vacuum. Not knowing what his highlight reel film looks like you see a player who frequently makes plays more difficult for himself and for his quarterback through a lack of effort a lack of. Nuance when the ball's in his hands is stupid. I mean, it's just ridiculous insane. Yeah. I mean, no his and like he's not super laterally exploitative. But to be as quick in a straight line as birthday at like six four to twenty Israeli stoop down. You know what I mean? That's just that's when you see the physical side of him come out. Yeah. And we talk about like, you know, he wins. Contested catches. Really, really? Well, I said I I have some complaints with physicality down the field because I think he could do a much better job winning those reps earlier like, okay. The ball's coming Mikhael knows that he he can outlive almost anybody. He knows he has great strong hands through contacts got really good concentration to gone. So he doesn't endeavor to get his body into a good position. And everybody gets pushed out of good position by the corner. Who's actually boxing out, and it makes the catch much more difficult which surely he can make them but don't make catches more difficult for yourself. Make them easier for yourself and you'll get more of them. And you also warrant more targets. You know what I mean like in? Arizona state. We got fed the football in a few games. But there are other games where he really just didn't get targets. He was laboring on the outside wasn't really separating and other receivers were doing more work. And that's when Harry soda getting moved into the slot because the slot. You get off coverage and you get smaller corners, and then all of a sudden he was much more productive, and we ignore that. Like, like, there's you know, there's a big demographic of analysts online who loves to statistical analysis draft prospects, especially for why believers and a lot of that is very solid mceal, Harry grades very nicely. Will we ask ourselves? Why we go to the tape? It's because they moved him from the X to the zebra. They moved them from the axe to the H, and it's been cast a prototypical X receiver the next level day one producing there. They had a move. You know what I mean? So I'm on film. His testing is gonna give him a higher grade, which I'm fine with its light supposed to work. But he worries me I think in in a class full of big receivers who illustrate good route running the ability to release press Calvin Harmon Metcalf. JJ Sega Whiteside Riley Ridley I I. I don't see any reason to gamble on. You'll Harry maybe in a class where he was the biggest strongest, but I really think he is. I think it's very easy for me to say the DA Harmon our website are on more physical stronger play strength was further size. I don't need to gamble on the keel. I watched the stack pretty much very closely to each other in a few set of days recently. And it was it was d k it was Kelvin. It was Nikki will. And it was he came Butler Harmon, Lunt him that's going to be my wide receiver to just based on film grade. And I think he's got enough separation to stay there from those tall tree wide receivers were Siebel deebo Samuel all them come in Riley, Ridley as we go through that process. But if we're talking like the bigger outside guys, I really really like what what harm and had to offer Harlem. Yeah, he's a beast. It's film is just it's just it's just it's exactly what you want out of a receiver who understands what he's good at what he's bad at what strength weaknesses are just place to them perfectly. He's so developed you so much. Sure. One hundred percent a guy that's not developed, but a guy that I really like him. We'll get to an underrated guy here. And we'll start to look at some awesome eagles guys that I have on the list here to keep it eagle Centric year. Kaelin Sanders into your defensive lineman at our western Illinois. I had a blast watching. This guy's film. And what was interesting was. And I know your friend or the draft network. Joe Marino was watching the same thing that I saw I found the article after watching his tape, but I put on the game against North Dakota state and its third and ten and I'm and I'm watching this, and I'm like Kaelin, go Kayla's big, dude. What does he like three twenty like something like that? Yeah. He's a square fella is built like a refrigerator and on third Innis. N I see that they have him standing up on the edge to rush the passer as an education, and I laughed to myself. And then he just beast. This do with a quick step outside swims inside the quarterback gets the sack and then I'm watching them berry, dude. After dude on this North Dakota state line. That is a very good line his tape. There are flaws there. He is raw he beats a lot of guys because the lower level competition, and he's just that much better quicker bigger than them. But that's guy that I look at his at his flexibility throughout his body. He's the backflip guy from the senior bowl for the listeners that don't that don't know like this guy has serious flexibility all throughout his body. And if you're looking for a guy on the interior that you don't have to spend a first round pick for that can give you some pass rush juice. At least eventually Saunders is definitely one of those guys that I'm targeting in his later rounds. Hi, this is Jim. Check out our podcast step over be bowlers podcasts that work role of your Sixers needs analysis. Game breakdowns with a cool. Senate had been and more subscribed liberty Bowers podcast feed on I tunes Stitcher Spotify or ever you get your favorite podcasts. And check out the step over a podcast about Sixers basketball, mostly. Andrea. Intuitive linemen, I might I don't wanna go for Jerry Tillery because puts his I think that people who have Tillery ranked highly have to highly. But also not enough people having ranked highly enough in the middle of him. What grade do you have on chiller is going to be too? And that's where he should be. He's gonna be mid to late to for me to hire to low. That's right around where he should be to generate you, you wrap together the good stuff, and you put together the twenty twenty five really good reps. He's had this season for frown. There's more than that. I mean, and and the he trades a lot on a really good game against Stanford. Yeah. Against a much value who'd Stanford line that actually was really really bad this year. And that's the thing they he vis rated Stanford in that game that Stanford lunch struggle against every defense line face. So that's like, you know, is important context. So I'll probably go fries Ahah bugs out of our Bama in. Here's the thing about as AO bugs, not dissimilar to the Sean hand last year who went in the third round, which wealth. I was too early to the lions success with the lions eye bugs is this player. Who's like, a great athlete, and you have no idea where to put him on the defensive line because Alabama was like, oh, you're hundred eighty pounds played nine tech. What why you know, classic Alabama defensive line. Just throwing dudes legislative they'd have lines where it's like right Quinton lambs was playing the nose at three hundred ten pounds rake. One Davis is playing five tech two hundred ninety pounds and is eight bucks play. Seven tech at seventy five, and we might blitz like Christian Mela, you know, like forty off the other side, the unbelievable the largest line a history of college football. How are you doing this? Because they gonna pass rush insane for their size is crazy. So I say a bugs I mean, he has no neck, so he's just he's so squat. He so thick. He's well built dude who's very difficult to handle on the interior. I think like you get him in like four. I techniques situations in three technique situations. He's very difficult to double team and move down the field strong against the run. Really nice bustier chains really powerful. Do clearly great technique knows that his pads low some nice pass rush flashes. But like Sean hand he was rushing outside track at two hundred seventy five pound, right? He's rushing outside off at the chapel. He's no business doing. Now. He doesn't have the physical traits that you just have the first acquaintance that's gonna make it. And so you know, you you have to project. What you see the inside? He plays inside of the senior bowl for a little bit with a mixed bag of results when he can land hands rush with power. And that's where he's gonna start like that's. He's going gonna build a password from hands power and displaced back push the the front of the pocket collapse the pocket into the quarterbacks laugh when you can start from there. He can build a pass rush with with hand moves in with secondary counters it's just not developed yet because he didn't do that at ala Bama because they didn't need him too. So they just had him play strong side end and gobble up strong zone runs. Because of course, why not he's tours five pounds nine tech. I like bugs for what he is. But he's hard to diagnose because of the way that he played, and you kind of need to give him tween a role sort of Michael Bennett level stuff. He's a fun player, and you can tell these great physical traits. Speaking of roles in possibly where this guy might go. Where do you think Rashawn Gary interior defensive linemen defensive lineman from Michigan goes topped him? Yeah. His thing. Sean, Gary, his get two hundred eighty pounds and he's gonna run like a four seven something, and he was gonna lose their bananas. All right. People are gonna go straight a wall. I mean, it's just it's going to be chaos. Meanwhile, actually important things will be happening that do not revolve around divas of tackle running forty yard dash, but that alone plus five star ranking number one overall prospect three years ago is all it will take frost Sean game for the next six seven weeks, and he'll get drafted highly excuse his task, athletes, and coaches love to think that they can make players in the more. They were a college. Even though there's no reason for that just draft good ones. Stop making these over yourself. I did his summer valuation last year, and I had a mid second round. Preliminary great on him based on his two thousand seventeen tape in his traits and everything like that. I go back to the film this year. I don't see much of a change. I don't see the production. I don't see any more refinement in the hands. I'm concerned about his role. I don't want to rush him off the edge. Like Michigan did a lot. I think there was some issues with some lower body flexibility that I don't necessarily love. I have serious concerns about this, dude. Some. It has to do with his motor too. I think is gonna get overdrafted to hack, and I'm okay with that. If you wanna let some other defensive lineman slide down the board down to us. I'm good with it. I just think Rashawn Gary is the absolute definition of a boom or bust defensive linemen. And for that reason I'm going to call him overrated. Yeah. That's that's I mean Gary's been rated since the moment, we finish the twenty agent NFO gas. You got an overrated guy for yellow position you want? You wanna do? Let's let's do another eagles one. So let's go either pass rusher or let's go offense of tackle. Let's get after the quarterback or protective. Here's the problem. I like all the odds tackles every one of them. I think they're all great even even Greg little 'cause you kinda you kinda bucked me on that the other day. Well, little little Dillard overrated, but they've been overrated forever. That's that's I way he's gone. Eagles sitting there under they're not gonna like Montas sweat twenty five. You don't think they will? Yeah. I'll put it this white probably like four days ago said montage what is rated. But when he got put it five at a mock draft when now I gotta talk about it, by the way that did that I lost my marbles when I saw that test. What at far there are six eggs rushers who deserve to go round one. If you're calling ratio, Gary and earn interiors alliance us me, that's Nick Bosa Ohio State, Ryan burns, Florida state, Hypolite, Florida. Josh Allen, Kentucky, Cleland infertile, Clemson. And then Montas wet Mississippi State also worthy of I think round one probably at the end. That's the order which have them in case you're wondering now, there's a seventh edge will probably go round one. Jalen, Ferguson, AVI attack. He is very productive. He's on my overrated. Very good. And you should be very wary of him and the draft him. I don't think burns polite are both owned. Sized speed rusher types, explosive first steps, really fantastic. Bent guys who and burns has some really nicely develop. Han counters toward back inside polite. Also has the ability to shock, and we're back to the inside with quickness he doesn't really recruit his hands as much, but really, that's okay. Like, I'll still sleep at night. Josh Allen is a prototypical build guy in terms of Bir span length like that you talk about first step to burst. Then to get around to the third sept- twin when a half minute relationship and then length to keep the tackle view into finish. The rep. He's got the great versatility. As far as a stand up a hand, the dirt guy, also under-sized potentially. He's gonna be around like too for the five, which brand Graham side. So it's fine for the eagles Detroit. Okay. With that his abo like, you know. All right Bosa is technique. He's build a bear. He is every skill that. You wanna have fantastic bend? Great burst. Good length. First step is not strong in the class. Everything else is. In terms of Russia's Cleveland furrow is a average to bub average athlete who wins with length hand counters recognition lacks the ideal quickness in bend. The you have in the other four players to generate half man relationships into regularly win with physical traits. He's well developed what he's not gonna have the same physical vantage to college. So you anticipate his production dropping a little bit love his hands though. I frigging love the politics hands. Go head Montas sweat as life. Cleveland Ferral if you ramped up the length if you ran the length slider, you ramped up the power slider probably a little bit. But then you're gonna be a decrease in Bandon, there's gonna be a significant decrease in polish as well Montas ways still learning how to maximize his frame, I mean, he had a record breaking wingspan rights as using sanely long dude built like Gumby, but he's still learning how to maximize that how to play the length of his hands. How to generate power his frame, and he also will be undersized away guy. He's gonna be around to forty five to fifty combine. If we look at what Philadelphia has draft in recent years. At their defensive end position. And even what they've been successful with Eddie van position. We're talking about Brandon Graham, probably plays around to sixty. We're talking about Derek Barnett a guy who probably plays around to sixty. We're talking about drafting Josh sweat a guy who came in at about two fifty. And then you have Chris long Michael Bennett who around to seventy all right long, invented been your free agent. Editions? They've been the guys that you brought in been productive in the league. And you stick them in give you good reps. When we look at Bornet, sweat, and Graham, they really prefer guys who are bit lower to the ground. They don't worry about the size. They win with first step explosiveness, and they can attack the outside rush track. And that simply isn't Montas sweat. Ryan. We when we rented six that's Brian burns. Josh Allen, Jakab polite in terms of the three names of the early edges that make sense or Philadelphia, I'm positive Josh Allen will make it. I would be flabbergasted if Brian burns made it is maybe maybe maybe maybe getting into the twenties and. Honestly, it plights are sticking into the teens late teens on calling folks grump calling folks, but we often don't talk about the possibility of the eagles trading up. If there's an edge rusher like that that drops into that area at the two second round picks, go get your guy. And when you when you look at the draft had expected out like we don't know polite might come out run a six seven three we're not even talking about this, right, but polite comes at like when you're approaching the draft end using I politely. You know? I think is gonna go to Green Bay at twelve like that makes a ton of sense. Green Bay likes agreements. Okay. Yep. Green Bay doesn't take him. I getting on the phone. I'm looking now. I'm going eighteen Minnesota Vikings looking at, you know, seventeen Cleveland Browns, whatever it is whoever it is. I got a call insane. Like less than like, you know, what would it take for me to get to your spot? As does that much to move five six seven spots. Really doesn't rise out know you saw the saints. Give up future firm to get an edge rusher last year, which one of. I wanted to talk about but throughout that's that is a high value position that has a high by play. If you have it. I agree on a guy. So the polite burns and Allen if you wanna watch players who fit their type is gonna be those guys now doesn't preclude them from drafting Cleveland, Montas sweat. It. Just does not look like what they've done. Of course, you know, they've nudity flying coach Chris Wilson has gone. It's a different band guy in there. I don't remember his name. So maybe the mole changes. But from what they've been success with legend for its defense guys who potentially playing the wide nine Ferral sweat can play in the why nine to the white Knight benefit benefits. Guys, like, polite, Alex burns. And so those the names that you'd be watching for Montas sweat is not a guy who belongs in the top ten especially in this edge classy belongs somewhere between I would say like twenty five and forty and that's what I expect him to go much more likely. I think see much sweat in Los Angeles in New England, Oakland, or or or New York if they the jets the giants if they shoe around one could back at the top around to grab him. He might go early in that league. Into highly. But then he'd be overrated, and that's the point of the segment anyway, I'll hit show with an underrated guy actually a couple. Underrated guys. Let me to three I'll triple it up before we get outta here. L Jenkins the center out of Mississippi State and Bradbury cetera of NC state. Both those guys man they have fantastic tape. I'm gonna have a first round grade on bradberry. He's going to move very very well at the combine I'm not comparing him to Jason Kelsey days. Kelsey might lashes when you watch state, right? Here's comes down to its bradberry. Is potentially very limited player the next level who really should only be successful most zone concept. Right. Like, he they can because you worried about functional power. I won't have a first him because I'm grading for thirty two teams. Not one of you. If you're the Rams Bradbury's a first-round pick. The only thing you run his outsides out. I haven't hesitation but like compared to Jason Kelsey. But that's tricky if bradberry become successful in the league. It's because he's been successful light. Jason Kelsey is. That's what that comparison is gonna mean the refinement of the technique that he's gonna eventually. To make up for the lack of anchor. Yeah. Bradberry to me is more likely to come out. And like, you know, be like a good star who struggles with power, whatever the Nuff. But if he works out if he warrants of what would have been a first round pick h because he's become Jason council. Exactly, I often Jenkins, man. Just loved his tape. I don't seem like many losses there. I mean, you watch the Alabama game. And he gets by Quinton Williams. You watch any center or guard in college, and they're going to get got my Quinton Williams at least a couple of times a game. So I'm willing to overlook that. And look at the rest of the tape and say that this is a powerful dude that can move and should be selected in the day to area. I like a lot of these senators do there's a lot of good centers in this class. Eric McCoy from Texas A&_M, I just watch Lamont Gahler Gaylard is that it Gotti our gal yard. Yeah. There you go. You know, how I feel if names that have even slight French tend to them yet. So here's the thing about the Mont. I thought it was really good. And that I have never watched him since on its Brandon thord watching him. I was like shoot. He is. Good. Yup. Never went back to his tape. As soon as you see thorn watch somebody just watched I think like four or five days ago. And I was like, yeah. This is pretty solid. I see thorn. And the cool thing about Brennan Thornton. You can follow him at brain at Thorne NFL as he's gonna point. He knows the offense of line technique. So well that you'll watch the videos on the time when he'll point out things that you may have missed and make you go back to the foam ago. Oh, yeah. His off Han usage. You know? With the snap is really good and really quick. And he knows how to use it and leverage things or whatnot. So that's a guy to look for last guy. I'll talk about his Maliki Gant the safety out of Marshall his tape is fun, fun, fun, fun fun. I have an issue possibly with projecting him into a role. That's not just like a it's weird with him because he's going to have to learn how to limit some of that contact, but the contact that he seeks out he's really physical. He's a great tackler. Lot of contact at the top of the routes that he is going to have to calm down because they play him in a lot of off man catch and. And I've said this before that break point there when he's an off manage playing catch technique has more chipped paint the NASCAR. So he's got a chill that. But the tape is fun because they blitzed their safety so much and use them to fill so much run support to that. You've got rep after rep of him just common downhill like a man on fire and striking and delivering to with a very accurate hit rate as far as tackling go. So his is a fantastically fun tape. I was looking for guys like more in the day three area. He may sneak himself up into that day to conversation. But that's just a guy that if you wanna have fun watching tape watch Balik ga- safe data Marshall future Provo specialty in remote again future. Pro bowl. Punt gunderman again, yet that you just didn't know no concern for human life. I Haley you see that player like forty five yards down the field waiting for the ball. You beat the ball to him. I dare you. All right loss. I. My my sleeper team for February is small hundred guys Elijah, Holly field, Georgia. We talked about on the podcast before he's wide receiver eliminates key out of Jinya five eight one ninety so fairly dude Allama days Kia, silly, dude as the keys. Yeah. So so so, okay. So his name is is Allama day. Oh, L A M E. Right. But it's pronounced Lama day. His at on Twitter Islam day like the word Lama word day, which I think is tremendous now Philly dude, he backed up de'andre swift in high school the running back who's now in Georgia. Who's who's from the Philly area? Right ends a case was running back. He goes to Virginia. He plays running back. His first year Virginia has a coaching change for Bronco mendenhall comes in. He starts to get wide receiver running back wraps he fully transitioned to wide receiver. And now he's Virginia's leading wide receiver career reception record into couples. He came into the running back came as a running back career receptions leader, he's five eight one ninety. On believable body control and contact balance. When I watched him in twenty seventeen I wrote down Alvin Kamara was name more than once. He's wide receiver. He's not running back. But when you talk about the small compact frame and just stupid acceleration. Ridiculous angles through contact. It's cameras, right? Non invites to any all star games. He was a senior. Despite the fact, he's leading whatever so forth. He's a Tariq Cohen player. Get him twelve touches. Let him return the football up, man. I like there's the potential he goes on drafted and Philly is smart and uses that philosophy connection brings him in. I guarantee you he will make waves in camp. Love him Trevan, west title, West Virginia, you're seventy five pounds gigantic impossible to tackle player. You see that rep against Kansas state where someone blessed their helmet trying to tackle him to see that one. I don't know if particular remember if I remember watching him which game there is the Oklahoma game that went like sixty to fifty nine whatever the final score was. We're lived no-one on Oklahoma there. One yoked linebacker. Tap him. Let's wait until number nine God there because he couldn't get them down without him all his Larry's my own sleepers. Nate Davis talked to him love him out of Charlotte. These a tackle it has three years. Starting sprees at garbage talked about on the last show. I really really liked him. I sent him over to trade to to treat Thomas. So I was like yo this probably gonna be a garden. I know you want me to send you tackles. But like watch this guy told me you wouldn't wanna work with him. Linebacker is Ryan Connolly, it was kansin who's a smart player who is like a commuter, Jay hill. Type. I think probably tesla worse than KOMO. But that's kind of the modique comply. Isaiah Johnson cornered Houston, sixty wide receiver convert grain vertical third grade for the Seattle cover three type was not exactly what Philly runs. But if they wanna start soon as Johnson and let 'em plant at the line. Boy, I would not be upset with that. And then Amani Hooker at Iowa might sleeper safety. Smart. Black player has. Yeah. Really, really smart player. I'm interested to see how he test. But I have a definite role that I can project him into. So I like his game. I think he can contribute. Earlier than some of the guys it'll be picked around him. Ben that's going to do it for our part two of our overrated. Underrated prospects in the NFL draft. We had the combine coming up quick. 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Big Blue Big Board: A first round for every "plan"

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Big Blue Big Board: A first round for every "plan"

"Uh-huh. Hello, welcome to the big blue big board podcast. I'm Dan position at joint here by Chris flung? Chris how're you doing today? Same as always anymore. So we're here going just kind of full Sima head toward the draft. The main wave of free agency is done were in full pro day season right now Hieaux state was done earlier in the week, which is had Missouri's per day. And we're just kind of moving right along toward the draft process. And as we do that a couple of things of really changes we did a full episode like this with just the two of us. The giants now have two first round picks. We haven't really discussed that at lane this point in terms of what that will mean for the giants draft. So that's what we're going to do today. So we're going to use those two first round picks and get them in a way of trying to figure out what the giants of might do with that. Depending on what their overall plan is going to be now there's been a lot. Talk of what the giants plan is think when you look at some of their the boobs they have made over the past couple weeks really since Dave Gettleman took over the team last year. They don't always link up in a coherent windier plan. But Gettleman has stated he does have a plan. He's not going to say what that is. So we don't totally know if it's going to be a complete rebuild, which it doesn't look like between sticking with Eli manning and signing someone like golden Tate. We don't know if it's a full Awin now where they really just aren't considering the future. So there's a lot of things that we need to figure out. So we're going to go over a couple of different first round scenarios, depending on what the giants plan might be. So we're going to give a scenario and then give a first round that fits into that scenario. So they have picked six and said. Seventeen overall. And let's go into our first scenario, which is if they're going into a complete rebuilt that would be countered to some of the moves they have made. But let's say they really think they need to start building for the future right now. So when we get with that scenario, I think quarterback has to be addressed. So we took Dwayne Haskins at six and then seventeen there's a couple of of strange options, we weren't really left with a great pick. We did a quick simulator just to see who might be west here. And we ended up with greedy Williams to how how do you feel about this complete rebuilds draft? Chris I wasn't thrilled with it mostly because we kept having guys who were be really interesting, especially at seventeen just slipped were fingers. We come into we redrafted a couple times. At one point we had quit in Williams available and sex, which let's be honest. No way. Scenario goes out the window. Dave Gettleman drafts winning Williams. That's but we already settled on twin Haskins. So we took Haskins, and there weren't too many options that we really felt strongly about and really good about. So we settled on greedy Williams because he fits the kind of archetype that both James Becher and Dave Gettleman have favored in the past record Bax. And if this is a complete rebuild then at some point in the next year janoris Jenkins will no longer be on the roster. I don't know if it will be as a post June. I cut I don't know if it somehow would be in final cut downs for some reason. I don't know if they work a trade for him at the trade deadline, or if they cut him as soon as the season is over, but he is not going to be a giant for long. So. So they're going to need more cornerback help. I don't think we can count on Tony lipid to start opposite Sam Beal, which if we're being as even though we are both high on Sam Bill, there's still some question marks there. He's coming off surgery. We never really got a look at him last year. So drafting a highly rated cornerback even though he has slipped. Some he didn't really take the step four last year that I think a lot of people wanted him to. But he still has all of the athletic ability. He's got the size. He's he's got the length. He comes from school with reputation for producing great corners. So at at this point the way the draft fell. It seemed like really was the least bad of our options given this scenario. Yes. Seventeen is. It's an interesting spot. And it's kinda just where we found ourselves trying to figure out who is going to be in this place. There were a couple of cackles available. None we felt strongly about in this scenario. We're going to get to one to where where we do take tackle with the sweet spot for the pass. Rush is not really there. That's a little bit higher with Montas wet and Brian burns. And those guys those are more six overall, and since we took Haskins because we do believe quarterback is where you would need to start in a rebuild or at least start to think. So whether Haskins sits a whole season which. He probably wouldn't need to do or it sits part of the season while ally where to start you have him there than I think what you get to seventeen the pass rush isn't quite there where it's not super different between taking someone at seventeen and possibly at thirty seven. So there's some more depth there. So you can still get an edge rusher later, greedy. Williams is interesting. And why we went there is because one he can immediately start opposite of Jenkins for twenty nineteen. It lets Sam Bill at ease his way in a little bit. If he's not completely healthy it lets him and grant Haley, maybe share some reps and there's not pressure on them right away. And then Greeley Williams is like you said he's he's that big tall guy came in at six two. He's good in man coverage per sports Pollution's four point nine yards per snap. In in men coverage. He can play zone to five point five yards per snap. Up. He can move into the Slava little bit. He played twenty point four percent of its naps in the slot last year at LSU. So he someone where if you can get that corner and have better coverage affor- longer that also helps the pass rush. If you're not gonna get a pass rusher. They're getting that coverage that can help. And that's an argument I made during the season in a little bit. After the season of one of the reasons the giants pass rush was so poor in terms of SAS because they were getting pressure but the corners couldn't hold. So there were open windows to throw. So the opposing quarterbacks were able to get the ball out. I think if you get that coverage little better you can make it a little harder for the quarterbacks to find an outlet. And that improves the pass rush little bit. And if you have a good young corner that does make it easier to move on from Jenkins, and that just kinda starts that process there. So I think greedy ended up probably being a best case. Scenario at seventeen although he he might not be there in reality. But in terms of what we were looking at right now, I think a rebuild when you go a quarterback quarter. That's a pretty good way ago dead. And even if greedy isn't there there are other corners who are probably worth taking at that point. Byron Murphy or Deandra Baker stand out, and I'm not sure if they're quite big enough for the giants, but they're both quality cover corners. They are. I think I'm higher. I'm pretty high on both of those guys to I've been playing around with the big board, which I don't really do. But I have all three of those guys in my top ten right now, which is just kind of in my personal philosophy of building a big board. It's either you're helping your passing game or you're trying to deter the opponents fasten game. I so I wait that a lot higher. So I think corners are important and these are three pretty good corners. I think so getting greedy at seventeen I think it would be a pretty good spot for this rebuild. But we're not sure if the giants or actually going to rebuild and they're building. Yeah. We we hear building. Which is a interesting turn of phrase, I suppose it is. It is it basically just goes into what we talked about. It's half a rebuild its half win now. And that usually does not work the so our next scenario is if the giants are just the win. Now, we need to do the most impact right now to help ourselves in twenty nineteenth. Basically, Dave Gettleman is drafting for his job can't which I don't know is is that far fetched. I don't know if twenty nineteen is bad again when he still doing this happen half thing after trading away. Oh, they'll Beckham. I think this almost knee. Needs to be successful twenty nineteen if he doubles down on this and dad again the seat gets progressively hotter. Maybe, but although who knows I mean, the giants ownership has allowed it to go this far. So really who knows? So let's do our win. Now plan where the giants are looking for the most impact right now. So that we took Montana's sweat at six overall edge rusher out of Mississippi State and Cody Ford of who we're going to play offense of tackle out of Oklahoma at seventeen. Yes. So just looking at the giants off season they need pass rush. Like the needed a second pass rusher when they had alleviate Vernon they need a first pass rusher right now, we've already covered that improving. The secondary will help their pass rush, and they took a step towards that by replacing Curtis Riley with the but they still need a number one pass rusher. I. Right now, they're top pass rusher is probably BJ hill. And most of his sacks came in one game. They do have Lorenzo Carter on the edge. And we know the giants loped him throughout the process. They reportedly even tried to trade up into the second round to get him last year. So why don't we get a guy who compares pretty pretty similarly to Carter is just a little bit better in just about every area, and that is Montas sweat. So that's the way we went then moved down to Cody Ford. We know the giants Dave Gettleman specifically likes big powerful linemen. And that is Cody Ford, he's big he's powerful. He's great in the run game. And they need a right Akyl. Right. And if we look at Montas, sweat, he is I mean, obviously killed the combine the four four one at two hundred sixty pounds that is really impressive athleticism. That's something James Becher is going to like that size is probably something. Dave Gettleman is going to like the giant still heavy clear. Need at the pass rush. Biggest remaining edge. Rusher is Lorenzo Carter. They got his golden who should be good back with Becher after being with him in Arizona, but he's still coming off an injury. So the pass rush is very questionable right now. So pressure on twenty point five percent of his pest rushes in college sports info solutions at forty six pressures is so he was he was productive enough. And I think when you add that into the system that's something that the giants are definitely going to like, and I think Montas sweat at six if the giants are not so. Seriously considering quarterback or if both quarterbacks are gone before six I think Montas wet is probably the most realistic option at number six right now. And then when we look at Cody Ford, I think someone who could instantly be started. Right. Tackle right now. The giants do not have a right tackle. They've been been connected to Mike remers. He took a visit and nothing has happened. But that's another thirty plus year old tackle. But if you get someone like, Cody Ford who can be plugged in it, right tackle last, your sports physicians had blown block on zero point four eight percent of his pass naps, which is absolutely excellent was little worse against the run. But I don't really care if you're holding up in pass blocking you're going to be fine. And that's really the more important thing for tackles. He's going to have Kevin Zeitler next to him. That would help kinda the same way. Nate's older helped will Hernandez for a little bit to start the year of. Last season. And then the Venturi I think Hernandez might have helped sold their little more as Hernandez got a little better. So if you look at the two biggest needs right now and get them in has said he can't draft for need. But if they do this, and this still kind of falls with best player vailable because we think this might be kind of how the giants board would be set up a month as wet and Cody Ford or just to plug and play guys that are going to be able to bring the most in two thousand nineteen. Yeah. And you mentioned sweat as their best realistic chance that does kind of lead into our next scenario. Yeah. Let's let's jump into the next one. Because I think this is this is one where there is kind of a plan. But in the long term is probably the worst case scenario. I also find this to be a very realistic scenario, which is. Troublesome. And that would be if the giants take Rashawn Gary the edge out of Michigan at six and Daniel Jones quarterback from Duke at seventeen this is like you said almost scarily. Possible scenario because as much as Montas sweat fits what Dave Gettleman in the giants like Sudas, Rashawn Gary. But the difference is is that sweat has been productive. Gerry is an absolute athletic freak. He showed that at the combine he showed that on tape. His athleticism jumps off on tape. The problem is he doesn't produce. He is almost like mortgage hunt was coming out, you can see the explosive linear athleticism, but he has no bend. When I was watching him. He would lose track of the play. He would get hung up on tackles. Because his hand us just wasn't there. And all those things together. Are just scary to me in a prospect. I don't even list him his edge because I don't believe he has the lower body flexibility too. Play as an edge rusher. I don't think he has the ability to flatten in bend around the corner, sweat is he doesn't show a tremendous amount of it on tape, but we can at least see from his quickness drills. The short shuttle three cone that he does have that guy short area Jilay, and maybe he can develop some more lower body fluid with mobility work in a NFL strengthening conditioning program. Gary doesn't show anything like that? And the fact that he couldn't even get production just out athlete in college level. Tackles is a big concern for me, and well as for Daniel Jones, we've we've been over him before. I kinda see a weaker armed Blake Bortles marks. Go fueled said Blaine gabbert, I have seen EJ manual thrown around. I don't think the giants really wanna hitch. Their franchise to that kind of quarterback for the next five years, or at least they shouldn't want to. Yeah. I've said many times on this. I'm very out on Dan Jones, nothing since when I started talking about him till now through this process has changed my mind on Daniel Jones. He was one of the least officiant quarterbacks in this entire accord aback group. He is one of the most inaccurate quarterbacks in this group. He hasn't really responded. Well under pressure new people think he's got a great arm because he's big up. And it's not really the case. I just don't see the things that can be improved upon to make a good NFL quarterback. And you can make the argument that he he did not have a good supporting cast. That's fine. Not every one of these quarterbacks had great supporting cast. But he he did not do a lot to raise that supporting. Either. And I just don't see the traits that develop into being a quarterback. I think the Tracy doesn't have like the inaccuracy and things like that that so so rarely gets better. So I just want to be a very hesitant on anyone hyping up Daniel Jones because he just there's so many red flags in that that I mean, I I would not put him in in the first round was I just think a lot of what he did in college is very alarming and does not really translate to the NFL level. And the same thing goes to kind of with Gary, I call them in edge. I don't always think of him as an edge. It depends on where he's listed on where you work because he is either considered an edge or an interior defensive linemen either way. He did not have good production. Especially rushing the passer. You look at some of these guys who are some of the freak athletes in this class. And if you look at edge you look at the Montessori at you look at Bri. Ryan burns, even look at them, the Nobu those guys who were able to use their athleticism to create pressure, and and have college production that Gary had his athleticism and really couldn't do anything with it. And it's not even like in Ed all over case where at all over is a freaky athlete. He didn't really have the ideal college production. That's because he was playing like in a zero technique like head up on the center where just. Players like that don't play anymore, and it's actually it's very hard to rush the passer from where he used in played him. Gary was any situation where he should have been fine. And he just wasn't able to translate that. So you can't claim it was his situation when you had chased one of each who is under sized his athleticism wasn't highly thought of before the combine. And compared to a lot of the other guys, it isn't really special, but he produced circles around, Gary, you know, while Gary's linear burst did stand out on film. It was win of it. Who was the guy who is always around the ball? He was the guy bending the edge. He was he was the one who actually showed up, and that's not great when you're freak is getting shown up by guy who is just an undersized outside linebacker. No, no, it's not. And that's. Really worries me about dairy. It's kind of just worried me from the start. And so it taking him at six oh with should scare a lot of people. And I'm not sure how unreasonable it is to believe the giants might do that. Yeah. You know? It's an you can't even say that it would be like adjacent pure pulse situation because Gary has been getting really good coaching for years now. Right dairies, not raw Gary. I'll just not been great. The there's a difference there. There are a lot of dots to connect. Physically Gary is very similar to prospects on the defensive end that Gettleman has drafted in the past Carolina. And there are a lot of warm fuzzy familiarity dots to connect between Daniel Jones and the giants, but with David cut cliff and Duke and have having potential relationship with Eli manning that could make the giants fuel very comfortable in drafting him as a guy who ally might be willing to mentor or who could he could mentor without any controversy or distractions. But the fact that Jones just falls apart has a quarterback. Once you get past the basics of cliffs scheme that his quarterbacking kind of falls off a cliff once he has to go down the field. We saw it in the combine we saw it at the senior bowl. He has to put everything has in the ball to get it down the field. And then his accuracy is just not there. And even though he is apparently two feet taller than Cuyler Murray. He had twice as many batted balls, which is not great. Yeah. 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The a our each Monday, we speak with the top athletes enemy from world. Champions two. Rising stars also bring you in-depth analysis on technique in our Monday morning, endless segment. We talked to some of the brightest minds in the game. We answer your questions regarding the latest news and headlines of the world of professional finding find us on apple podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. So what are going to shift gears a little bit of this last category? And we're going to stop trying to pretend to know what the giants are going to do. And we're going to just go with what our ideal first round would be right now. So we're going to go about this alike. Like, we are now taking over at this moment, and we are in charge of the rebuild for the giants going forward. This isn't going to be our ideal of what we would like the giants were Dave Gettleman to do is going to be we are currently taking over at this moment right now, and we get to draft the first round and bring vision going forward. So that's how we're going to do it Chris. And I each have a first round wanna do. So Chris, why don't why don't you go with yours? I okay. So in my fantasy ideal world where I am the guidance general manager. Earth. Josh Rosen is available for trade. So I am dealing my second round pick to the Arizona Cardinals for Josh Rosen. We've talked about this before Ed put up a very good post on big blue view about it trading for rose in especially trading. A second round pick for Rosen is a move that just makes all kinds of sense for the giants. I'll admit I was not particularly high on Rosen last year at least in comparison to Baker Mayfield who had been my quarterback one basically since the bedlam game was October November twenty seventeen so I'd I'd never had Rosen as my QB one. But right now for a second round pick that is a value. I cannot pass up. It would give the giants an opportunity to just completely shortcut. And short circuit the entire rebuilding process by getting a an experienced quarterback with up side and upside in Pat Shurmur scheme specifically because it would it fits what Josh Rosen does very well, and he has already gone through the fire, and it was hotter. Fire than most in Arizona situation that just was not good last year. So he would be able to start right away. If the giants wanted they could move on from ally. But then we've got a quarterback for the future on rookie deal for four years. And that is basically the biggest competitive advantage any NFL team can have to now coming into the draft itself. I am going to go into the canal mode because I now have my young quarterback. And I'm going Montas sweat basically for the same reasons listed before the giants need pass, ROY. Rush. They need a primary pass rusher, and I do sweat. He has been productive enough. I believe he is a player on the rise who will continue to get better at using his physical skills that just freakish athleticism, and he is a little bit more different from Lorenzo Carter than Brian Burns's. Although burns is an excellent pass rusher. So that's pretty much a coin flip. I just opted for the rarer athletic skill set than going down to seventeenth is a name. We haven't talked about much in that is geared bradberry center at North Carolina State, the giants need an offensive tackle. We've mentioned that a couple of times already. I also think they need a center, I am not happy with John hoffy. Oh and Spencer pulley as my options. I wanna center who can move and can use his hands who is experienced at center who can make the protection calls and preferably do all of those things. At the same time on every play. Everybody gets hung up on left tackle being the most important position on the offense of line. Personally. I think it is the center he is the guy in the middle. He's the guy calling the protections east. The guy who has to who is most in charge of setting the depth of the pocket and either standing up to nose tackles or deciding who wear the double team needs to be. He's the player who has to get up to the second level and block the linebackers defensive backs four saquon Barkley or he can get out in pole and Bradbury is just an absolute technician. He's strong enough to play in man gap. He is at enough to play in zone. So that's just where I'm going. Yeah. Those are all things that make the whole lot of sense. If you're looking at what the giants need right now a couple of weeks ago. We talked about Rosen. I made the case that trading the thirty seventh overall pick which is giants Nick in the second round is no brainer. Afford him. It made a lot more sense. While Beckham was still on the team because then you have a better wide receiver to throw to you. But still all things considered sterling Shepard, golden Tate and not terrible receiving duo. I actually wrote about that on debut can check that out about what that receiving situation by look like, so yeah, I would be on board with Rosen sweat. I make sense at six degree already talked about that. And. Yeah, here you're part of the offensive line. I think anytime you can sure that up and get that better. Yeah. Paulie was not great. He was about twenty second among centers in bone block Raipur sports solutions last year. A holdup was fine. But I think one thing. I kind of do agree with ghetto with. He said it just having a player on a Russ or should not stop you from drafting over him. So if you can you get the center there, which I think is still important, especially with Barclay. If you want to run up the middle again, that's not always the boasts of fish way to use him. But if that's how it is going to happen. You would like to be a little stronger up the middle there. So if you had Hernandez bradberry and site were going up the middle. That's that's a pretty good interior offense of that would help the quarterback out. Also, which in this case is Rosen. You're getting less pressure up the middle. So you really only have to worry about pressure off the edge and that's much easier to manage so. Yeah, I think that the whole thing. And that's part of getting the quarterback is is something that that makes a lot of sense. Just specifically for Rosen. I tend to believe that a pocket passer. It's more important to have a strong interior to have that pocket. They can step up into where. Whereas with a more mobile quarterback. It's better to have. A have your strength tackles. So they can kinda hold edge rusher off while the quarterback just escapes the pressure out into space or wherever right? So as we talk about mobile quarterbacks who go into my ideal going to do to ideals because the first one is just in. Not going to happen. But it's what I would do what I would make an effort to do. So I'm not a huge on trading up or trading first round picks. But if I were the giants, and I were in charge of taking over this rebuild and trying to build the giant out for the future. I would do everything I could trait up to first overall pick and select Kyle Mary. Yeah. No, I've been high on collar Murray for a while. He just doesn't seem like a realistic option for the giants right now. Just probably going to go first overall to Arizona, and I think one of the cool things right now, should we just kind of all accepted that Keiler Murray is worthy of the first overall pick. We've kind of just stopped talking about him being too small or product of Oklahoma or someone who's really not going to improve or be able to handle the NFL level of football. I think a lot of that has just died down. And we're all yeah. Going zona. I just kind of make sense. So that's just overall just a cool thing that I. Think is a good step forward in just talking about these prospects. But for the giants, I would still even without Beckham. Of course, if I'm still in charge of the team, I would not have traded L Beckham would've tried to pair Murray with Beckham if that took a twenty twenty I I think that's something. I probably would have done even though I've rarely fan of trading future verse around pay, but I think Murray could be an exception on. So if you look at it this six and seventeenth overall by the old Jimmy Johnson chart that's about equal to the second overall pick by the the new football perspective approximate value chart, six seventeen are more valuable than the first overall pick. So maybe you find a bit of a balance there. I would move up to take our Murray even without Beckham. I think you have Murray than in the backfield that immediately make saquon Barkley better. You just have a more of an impact there. You have dissolved read you can use now. The RPO's. I think that makes Barclay more dangerous you have golden Tate and sterling shepherd, I have an Ingram. I think that that is that's a dangerous offense already. So I think that would be the easiest way for the giants to go. I think it's it's slightly. It's a step or two below if that were to be Dwayne Haskins. I still think Cuyler Murray's easily the best quarterback in this class. I do like him more than Haskins. But if I'm just I'm sitting at six, and I'm sticking at seventeen I think at this point the because we're so far down this road. I'm not sure if I take a quarterback because I'm not totally sure it how sold on Haskins. I am especially with the way the wide receivers are built right now. So I would take Brian burns at six overall. He would be by preferred edge rusher there. He's just as athletic overall as sweat. There's widow difference there. And then when you look at the production burns was able to. To be very productive at Florida state. He's a little smaller. But James better has been able to use those types of guys yet sixty five pressures last year, which was only second to Josh Allen in this edge class had twenty six quarterback hits. Which was a third in this class that was behind Josh Allen Bemba Nobu who were tied with thirty. So he was a very productive edge rusher. He's very athletic edge rusher. So I think he would be perfect person to to fit in that defense to to be someone who fills that void to rush the passer, and then at seventeen of this is also something I'm not usually a fan of when team trades away a player that immediately tries to replace him with the pick. They they got in the trade usually that just goes terribly wrong. But if again, if I'm taking over the giants right now, I wouldn't have made the trade. So I just I have this pick that I need to try to rebuild. So my picket seventeen is. Hakeem Butler wide receiver at out of Iowa State. So I think Butler is going to be. I think polarizing I think the people who really like him we'll have him in this area of the middle of the first round at some people might not have him in the first round might have him as more of a second round pick. I happen to like Butler a lot he comes out of very well in target's added. He is he's athletic. He is a gigantic. He's six four nearly six five to twenty five. He has the ability to get downfield average death target of fifteen point nine that gives the giants something they don't have right now of someone who can get down the field. If you read what I wrote on big view that what golden Tate's impact is for the giants offense. You see that his average death of target over his career has been like a win over six sterling shepherds just below ten. So to have someone who is the size of Butler and can get down the field. He's a receiver. I like a quite a bit. So he. Would be my wide receiver to in this scenario. I haven't just below decay Metcalf. So I think trying to get that Ed rush and shooting up the passing game for whatever is going to be the future at quarterback. I think that would be the way I would try to go. Yeah. That that makes sense. Actually, both of your scenarios make sense Butler would probably be the Plaxico Burress stand in the that. At least giants fans have been looking for since well two thousand eight so that would make just a lot of sense. And we both said at the Brian burns is the kind of player they need up front. You know, rushing the passer. He's a very smart pass rusher. He has good technique. He always has a plan. He has a variety of moves, which is something. Actually, fairly rarely see coming out of college. That guys have a true variety of pass. Rush moves that they can just go to end. Either exploit what linemen don't do? Well, or set them up to beat them later on so. Yeah. Either of those scenarios, and of course, you know, we're people should should know by now we were both quite high on Kyla Marie. And that would be dangerous offense. Yeah. It would even without Beckham. I mean with with Beckham. So I I think I've thought it with an upgrade a quarterback with the structure the giants had I think they could have gone fool like top-five offensive Devia way. Bottom five defensive Devi way and try to compete that way. But obviously, that's not gonna happen. I think Tyler Murray would help them now even with a Tate instead of Beckham that you get maybe like Emmanuel hall or something in the second round. So you have that guy who can you can play deep. I think there's there's ways for that offense to go. Obviously, it's probably not going to happen. But it's it's a situation. Again, this is where where we would try to. Rebuild. And I think that's very different from how Dave Gettleman is going to try to rebuild. And that's kind of why we wanted to just get this exercise and look at a couple of the ways the draft could go depending on how the giants are going to view what they need to accomplish in the first round because we still just don't know this. So we're going to keep trying to get Cruz. But really until the first round happens who we might not know what the plan is. 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REShow: Rashan Gary. Hour 1 (04-18-19)

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REShow: Rashan Gary. Hour 1 (04-18-19)

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We had Joe buck on and alma goes on. And and Jim we're going to have him on today. So we're kind of we're kind of touching it. All right. You got we we just need tests. I guess right. We just need tests. Talk about the Monday night scheduled Monday night schedule's pretty good too. You know, and it look we we'll hit the NBA is well, Houston Boston. Milwaukee all up to nothing tonight is a big game a huge game here in Los Angeles. Could the clippers follow up there? Thirty point thirty one point. Don't cheat him thirty one point comeback for the ages. Can they follow it up with a win over the warriors? Can it make tuna row? Can they go up to one? It's just a huge that is a huge possibility. But for me, you know, obviously, I haven't done the schedule relief. NFL guy NFL network all that stuff. This this fascinates me. So coming in over the last several weeks. Who are the patriots gonna play on opening night? We were wondering who are they going to play them well on opening Sunday night. Again, the one hundred NFL season is gonna launch with not the banner raising in New England on Thursday night. That's been traditional that. We've seen the banner raised on Thursday nights for years, with the exception of the ravens having to open up and get blown out by Peyton Manning in Denver because the Orioles already had or he had the. The nest area in Baltimore all locked up. Remember that they put the ravens on the road. There was no switch in it for various reasons that couldn't be ridiculous without looking back on it. That was ravens had to open up at Peyton Manning and get their you know, what's kicked six touchdown night. They man sane tough spot. Hey, congratulations. You win the Super Bowl now. Go to Denver. No put up against Peyton Manning. Seven touchdowns sorrow either just the the clippers in the same way you pay. Anyway. So to me, I think the NFL's not too keen on the banner raising on Thursday nights. They they the Commissioner I believe is the one who's also from what I've heard leading the charge here wanting to raise the banner as an exclamation point to the first Sunday. Everybody's fired up. Football's back now, we're raising a banner it'll be a nice quick moment on NBC as opposed to a full on our long pre-game show, where the whatever this year's version of the rascal flats is performing in some sort of public square in the town where those the opener probably imagine dragons there, everyone is the imagine dragons this decades version of rascal flats, I mean, they're different different type of music. I think there this year there. This decades version of Nickelback. From within sight words for my kids with rock on. This fight words for Koop. Koop loves him, some imagine dragons, and based on the fact that he wants to listen to radio Disney, otherwise, I'm all into imagine dragons. But anyway, didn't mean to go down a rascal flats where molar look I think from now on we're going to see the banner raising on Sunday nights. I think this this year is gonna be phenomenal with the Packers bears opening up. And then it's gonna look great having a banner as at the end of Sunday night. I think the NFL is going to go this way from now on that's my prediction, and sometimes more often than not I'll be honest with you. I'm going to be one of those sports talk radio's Pat myself on the back for being right? I'm kinda right when I'm supposing on the NFL. They're called educated guesses people. I told you patriots who would be best to open up against chiefs. Patriots. You want to have that piece of filet Mignon served up and also NBC has had that game. For the last two years NBC had it on Sunday night last year was the opener two years ago. Right chiefs and patriots. It was so he's routed them. So we and it was a shock. We aren't going to get it again for third year on NBC got a share the wealth. Sure enough. That's a CBS game that we'll talk about with Nance later on when he joins us in our number three and Cleveland versus New England to me. Does not give Cleveland the best chance to materialize into the potentially AFC north championship team notice. I said that I I'm not buying into Cleveland being a Super Bowl contender. I can't I need to see how they play. I and and it's not the NFL's job to give a team leg up. But that's just patently not fair to Cleveland to have them open up in New England patently not air where you're writing all this hype train everyone thinks you're going to win. They're going to win eleven games. Prove it it proven week one at New England. If I'm sitting in a in a schedule room, knowing I'm going to have our I'm going to have to because I've gotten calls from CBS I've gotten calls from FOX I've gotten calls from ESPN. And I've gotten calls from probably NBC, although they haven't done a Cleveland game at home since two thousand and eight and they're getting one if they're calling up saying we want Cleveland, and you know, you're going to put Cleveland on a significant number of times at least for them on national television. And they wound up putting Cleveland on four times and is a few late window opportunities later in the year or throughout the year, where eighty some odd percent of the country might get them to. The last thing I'm gonna do is put an Owen one dagger in by sending them to New England. I'm just telling you the way I'm thinking about these things. Sure enough. It's Tennessee at Cleveland opening up for Cleveland, and then Cleveland is on national television two straight weeks after that Monday night against the jets in New York Odell Beckham back in MetLife right away. And then week three there on Sunday night football. Against the Los Angeles. Rams, and that's another situation for the one hundredth NFL season as you, and I both know Chris Brockman from our previous iteration of the rich Eisen podcast on the NFL network or the NFL media, by the way, I've seen that there's an NFL media podcast app now which would have been great to have when they launched in the whole Amphion where these guys go down wormhole. But when we had crazy ass Bruce Dern on our program actor I mean, the only way to describe him with with love and affection. He's he's a historian. He would be talking about the Cleveland Rams. So every there's a lot of these games that are chosen for national television reason to spotlight the history of the game the one hundredth season of of the NFL Packers bears to open it up week to Monday night football Cleveland jets, which. Is the first ever match up in the history of Monday night football week three. The Rams go to Cleveland. I mean, there's gonna be a history lesson throughout the year. So Dallas at. The patriots would have been nice. I would have been fun to your more popular teams in the league. But I I'm curious as to what the Cowboys look like. Not curious. I don't need to make sure I need to. I look see. And sure enough the NFL went in the direction of if it ain't broke don't fix it starting against the giants for the sixth time in the last eight NFL schedule years giants in Cowboys open up against each other. Like it. They're gonna put it on FOX keep things keep things all nice and tidy for week one. I said gimme the Steelers at New England. I'm curious what they look like. Minus Brown, minus bell. I'm curious Big Ben on his shoulders. What does that team? Look like. Sure enough your first Sunday night game of the year banner, raising New England, Pittsburgh in the house. Make sure the headsets are all work, and we don't hear Al Michaels through the headsets from the Pittsburgh sideline. Oh, yeah. Buddy. It's all coming lags part of the drama here as prime it's it's part of the drama part of drama twenty three percent of the Super Bowl winners in that game. Fun stuff in it twelve out of fifty three love it. Love it. And as for the Cleveland schedule like I said, it's not it's not simple here. Tennessee is a team that almost made the playoffs last year. It's one of those sneaky good, Tennessee teams. And I'm I also wanna talk them up because we're going to be in Nashville for four days. We're going there. Tennessee is not a soft opening, but it is not New England. And it's not Monday night football. The Monday night football games are Houston at the saints and the saints open up the season Dombi are coordinating producer put this little bug in my ear before we went on the air for the NFL network last night. And he's right. And I wanted to throw it out there, which is why I started the show that way on the NFL network last night talking about how I love the Pittsburgh matchup and then the saints. I four home against Houston on Monday night football. Then they have to travel to Los Angeles to take on the Rams that is a late window on FOX week to rematch of the NFC championship game that we're still talking about. Because it's it led to a major if not the most major rule change in the NFL since. Blunt caused everybody to back off for five yards in the line of scrimmage. And how quickly have you Stu notch over there? Put it on the secondary ticket market. You put your tickets up for sale ready to go to that game. That's what we were just talking. I can't hear you gotta take the hunting to see notes out of my ears. I'm working on say that after McVay left and Weddell was here last night. A part of the. No, no, no. I'll be there. I'll be. So that's a short week play there. That's that's a short week. The toughest thing to do is play a short week on the road on Monday night to play Monday night football game on the road. And then go short week on a road to next week. That's the toughest thing to do in the National Football League other than going, you know, playing back to back road games. And then coming home to take on somebody's coming off of a bye week. But not only do the saints have to do that. They're at the Seahawks week three. I mean, I gotta wonder if Sean Payton is going to keep the team out here in Los Angeles or out in the west coast instead of going home. And then week four come home for a Sunday night against Dallas. That's the September saints schedule. Do you think Sean Payton would rather have had the rule changed or have an easier? I four game. You know, what the rule changed because there's a brutal. I forget, I know. But this is Sean Payton, it's drew Brees the saints. They should have gone to the Super Bowl last year and their minds in the lines of most football fans with due respect to the Rams, let's go. Let's get it on. Chiefs have three their first four on the road. I was looking to see what's the toughest wrote. What's the toughest September? I don't wanna look at December yet because you have no idea how tough the December schedules right now, we're always looking things through the prism of last year. And you can't take a look at the prison of week of the last quarter of next season through what we just saw. But you can for the first four games of a season. That's a rough one. You got our poll question over there. Chris brockman. Yeah. You mentioned the first four games. Let's just look at week one. What's the best week one game? What's the best week one game? Packers at bears Steelers. Patriots chiefs at Jaguars very sneaky. Nick foles down there. Now giants Cowboys Texans at saints. You're not including bills jets. Of it, by the way, the bills open up at the jets and the giants and with the giants opening up in Dallas week one through two weeks. The bills will played more games in MetLife than the giants. Through two weeks with Cleveland coming to the jets in week two. Oh, del Beckham will have played as many games in MetLife through two weeks. Then Eli manning. This is the thing about the schedule. I love it. And now that the schedules released we turn to page we can turn a page to the draft one week from tonight, so exciting. It's Carla Murray time well tonight's Josh Rosen. Where's he going? Joshua isn't good stuff. One week from tonight. We've got Nansen our number three. Mike Colter is coming to the studio last time we chatted with him. He was here to promote Luke cage, and as we turn the page to the NFL draft. Look who's sitting on the rich Eisen show green room couch over there that is one tough at large drain. That is Sean Gary from the university of Michigan, by way of I actually from New Jersey by way of the university of Michigan getting set to try and sack quarterbacks and stop the run game on the way to the past or one of the top defensive lineman in this year's draft for Sean Gerry is here on the rich Eisen show. Good to see you, sir. And we will have a great chat with Sean and you as well at eight four four zero four rich number to dial here on this fund. Schedule has been released week before the NFL draft edition of the rich Eisen show. Okay. This is a thirty second commercial. And I'm gonna throw a lot of numbers at you. But please stay with me. And just fifteen minutes, you could say fifteen percent or more on car insurance. This company's been offering great rates in great service for over seventy five years in anytime, you need help you can speak to one of their train specialists. Twenty four seven the company is gyco. Go to Geico dot com today. 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We will find out where this man will be playing his professional football at the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. He is from the university of Michigan born and raised in Plainfield, New Jersey just up the road from where I grew up in Staten Island, New York, he is none other than Rashawn, Gary. Good to see you, sir. It ac-. So where do you think you're going? Do you have an idea? Do you have any sense right now? Oh wish. Oh is. But a he knows it's been going through the process, enjoying it. And on we know teams, I'm filling them they're feeling me. So I'm gonna see what caused my phone Thursday next Thursday. And are you going to be in Nashville or are you going to be somewhere? Being in having a little get together then over whereas role. We're going whoever will okay a bowling alley. So bowling alley. Would you choose a bowling alley? Just because he's going to be it's going to be, you know, cheating in my life. And I'm, you know, this have everybody around me that made me the man I am today on Phil off the field and just get everybody gathering. So get that phone call. We go bowling. You're gonna go wrong. You're gonna roll some a little bit. All right. What's your game? What what gave you rusty unrest? You. But you know, every time I get it. I tried to go for the strike. Have you have you rolled a three hundred never never never never. I'm new to this. I'm china. You know? Hobbies is how you. Just seeing a bowling ball in your hand. Mo might look like a marble. I am going to see it. Just see what that's like. Okay. Who in any of your teammates going to be there? Other people going to be there who was going on. Right now. But you know, what family's going to be in the building. So we're gonna come in by thirty deepen has some good time. Go roll roll thirty deep enroll okay role ten frames who have you visited with? Yeah. My benca. The jets Jaguars Bengals giants lions Seahawks Oakland and met with a couple of teams. So okay. So you visited literally physically visited those places you've been all over the country. What look obviously, you wanna go wherever you wanna go. You wanna go as high as you want to go. What would it mean for you to be drafted by the jets and the giants being from Plainfield New Jersey? Rashawn. Yeah. You know, this being drafted periods of honor. But you know, what the judge in giants is, you know, me being from jersey is a little prideful. You know when you win. It means more, you know, to the state, you know, where I grew up in you know, to the people around it have you spoken on peppers and all a little bit a little bit going thought this process, you know, going through the combine. But as recently. No, okay. Because now he's you know, he's he's Mr. New Jersey by way of Michigan now at the giants right now. So I'm just kind of just poking around right here. In terms of the combine here's a stat the fastest forty yard. Dash among all players to weigh two hundred seventy five pounds or more since the official combine results were tracked in two thousand three four point five eight is that the fastest you can run. Now, I gotta gotta exit couple gears next couple of years more. You know, if I'm hit again, but I get hi four four or so of leaving myself, and I know capability, so I know I got a little bit more channel little bit more in the tanks a little bit. What do you think of pre snap? What goes through your mind men, number one Rian the keys, you know, first of all started off and Donna distance and on, you know, for that offer personnel eleven twelve thirteen in own no seeing woulda gone a game. And if two tight ends up or if he's coming to most things like that. So but other than that. I'm just ready for the ball. Snaps soggy, put my hands or somebody. Well, as you know, you know, I I was at the combine you were too. It was just remarkable the number of talented players at your position that there are what what separates you in your mind from everybody else. Oh, yeah. Number one toady, you know, could play everything I'm a defensive end. But I'm able to get going though into the three take another rush about the edge. You know job into the crow job to the flat slow. I'm very versatile, man. I feel like maybe a team needs. Okay. Let's talk about coach Arbil. Let's talk about Jim. Yeah. When you first meet him met him. I wanna say my junior high school junior high school. No, you just got the job at Michigan in this talking to him. He's a great man on, you know, coming for the forty nine is in, you know, being NFL coach, you know, he played a good factor me going to Michigan. He put Michigan programming organization where you know. It's ran a certain way in you. Gotta follow the rules. And he Vos you chief. James soon. Go is a guy with a plan. And all you gotta do. Listen to him executed. Well, have you? What's the what's the craziest thing you've heard at his mouth? Craziest Ono man is is really hard to say, he's a different type of guy. So I love the guy. So, you know, we're we're in good company here the idea that you don't eat chicken cause it's a nervous bird. Would you agree with that? Oh, yeah. Absolutely. That comes out to live on. Fi gain those is never served. So he believes in just believing that there's never chicken served. No pie after practice but towards game bankas dinner because it's a nervous bird is. Essay. Okay. When a certain someone came in two thousand and sixteen I'm going to go there down their throat again when I asked this question of Devon Bush, and I stepped in it. But I'll ask it again the same way certain someone came to speak to the team in two thousand sixteen before the game. How how roused were you buy that former university of Michigan person coming to speak to the team? He knows the honor. You know, having people come back not people. But Michigan men, come back home. You know show the pass for the program. You know, just believe in us. You know, Michigan manned all around the world. You know, alumnis great. So is being able to have a person come back. He no showed a love and passion just makes you want to play snap even in their uniform talking about I would assume so who is who's at person talking about looking at them fantastic. Devin Bush's like it was great having Brady there. No. No. No, that's not what I'm talking about. Does the gates of by the way? By the way. I think it went was jeeter me. And then Brady. Yeah. They kind of got lost in that shuffle Judy before Brady. Yeah. Was jeter. And then me and then Brady didn't jeeter jeeter came at you. He did. But to like talking to the team. Yeah. I got to say Tom Brady, then you is only right. Well, it's just because I haven't wanted his any. I'm I haven't won any Emmys either. So it's just the nominated. It's like being nominated to be nominated. Thank you, take him. Take him away from you. Okay. So it was like it made. You wanna go hit somebody against UCF that be after hearing me. Absolutely. Thank you. That's all I'm looking for. There may be an there is an iron rich Eisen. There's no doubt about it. Rashawn Gary here on the rich Eisen show. You also are the only one in the draft who started your own sports agency, founder and CEO of Rashawn Gary sports. What did you do that? What you did never one of us. Give my family better life, my mom. My sister. My two nephews they've been my motivation, you know, ever since I started playing football in. He knows his growing up in. No, everything my mom, dad. My sister did raise me to beat a man. I am today. So, you know, this putting that together and just always my love for the game in, you know, even days after I hang up. Mike Leigh's always wanna be around a game. And not just a good way to do that. Right. So you're representing yourself is essentially what you're doing or do you have others who were that? They're going to be part of Sean, Gary sports that represent you. Yes. It's others. That's in organization that represents me. So I'm not my own Asian actually have agent. Right. Okay. So you're not just gonna come right out of the gate as your own Jerry Maguire at some point. But at some point is that something that you would aspire to at some point is this way to set yourself up maybe for what's going on after you're playing career when you know, who knows me, I'm just, you know, staying in the moment doing I gotta do in a number one focus on the best way. I could be right now. So you know, my mom's handle everything that's her project. Okay. I'm just. Football. All right. And what's the strangest question you were asked at the combine Rashawn strangers own. Would you get asked that might be that there's like what's going on strangers to be honest, like my my combined experience in my draft faucet has been pretty smooth on constantly. Did you notice saying questions? Did you get in the staring? Contest would Seattle demo. They didn't. They wouldn't dare do the staring contest with you. Yeah. Not not at all. Then have that. He's an amazing. Chris Devin Bush said he did. And then again, why do I keep blanking on the young, man? Who's the cornerback who was the first to say it? But so I guess corners in linebackers doing staring contest. But not you know know, how would you do in a staring contest, you know, in that type of circumstance come out on top Lonnie Johnson. Right. Lonnie johnson. Okay. I would do it right now. But I don't wanna get into all that right now with you. When you sat out the peach bowl against Florida to prepare for the draft. Was you Ron Higdon and how tough was that to to tell Harbaugh? This is what you were going to do. Yeah. Does you know with my decisions on my life? Does by one heart is ones added, you know, come up with, you know, sitting down my family in on, you know, coming up to a conclusion, and Dan, you know, taking it to you know, hardball, and Dan coach Brown and Madison and just, you know, I was crying, you know, the Michigan a laid everything I wanna feel for my brothers, my coaches, you know, the fans and everything so Michigan's always going to be a part of me, just, you know, having that decision, you know, being made and going to coach hogwash and having him. You know agree with me. So you know that made it better, but you know, leaving your team on notable. Sue, you're changing, you know, making the best decision for you. It was always he said he agreed with you in just a. And did anybody bring this up to you at the combine under the concept of you may be leaving your teammates behind because that's what a lot of NFL evaluators, sometimes might view that there's some value eaters at frown upon that. I'm not one of them just I'm not an evaluator. I'm not saying that. But I'm just asking you that it's sort of a devil's advocate here. Oh, yeah. No, definitely understand. What a, you know, going through the combine and asking questions is more of a, you know, what was your thought process in why he did as low, you know, just going through a process like dodgers beyond his any. No say what it is. Okay. Let's show it right here. Rashawn Gary on the screen all describe it to the radio audience. This was the worst part of the simul camp for me, and my run rich run was when they actually had all the Michigan guys come run right straight through me. Right there. Now, it looks like Rashawn we're all chasing, Devon Bush. But it does look like you get one of its redder. Of course. What do you mean? Of course. Chase Noah fascinating. He does. Of course, does Devon note that you could have run faster. Do you think Devon everybody who knows me light to compete of? I get another crack at it. I'm gonna make sure okay. Do it. I gotta do. Okay. Were you on the field prior to the Michigan state game to know as one that was our for me that was one, you know, I was in my apartment watching right? You're in the apartment watching. That's right. What did you think of when you saw devonte tear up the middle of the field with with his with his cleats that just a game? I was I was there for on. You know, every time you go play. I little sister. Oh, boy little sister. Oh my gosh. Knows always type of passionate anger that you have that game. Just saying no, my brother got there with the most. I would have had times a hundred you know, it hurts, but you know, came out with the winning we own Michigan period. Okay. By the way to d be leaned into the microphone for that. Yes. So anybody know out there for you? Stay fans university of Michigan wolverines that's our state period in the BBC on next year. Well, we'll see you in the National Football League soon to Sean Gary. We'll see you soon to thanks for coming on the show, man. I really really appreciate it. Good luck to you moving forward and not just with football with everything else off the field. Rashawn Gary, sports and more and go, you know, go roll next Thursday night. Oh, absolutely. I'm enjoying my. Okay. We meet KOMO call you up. Maybe when when you're in your new digs, and we'll talk about your your new setup KOMO here. I look I look forward to that. At Rashawn a Gary on Twitter and Instagram as well, you're going up to the going up to the NFL network. Now, I'll tell haunted tell tell her when they're high for me. Definitely will I'll be with the NFL network next week to Thursday night for draft night on the NFL network. And this man, Rashawn Gary is gonna find out where he's going to go still to come here on the show. Mike Colter, the the actor. And then Jim Nance is going to join us man called the Super Bowl, cold Virginia. Winning the national championship called tiger winning the masters, and now there's the CBS football schedule to talk about poll question your full calls and more. When we come back here on the show. Have you checked out the big podcast with shack your podcast one? Yeah. We talk basketball. But we're a lot more than just sports Magoo's fabulously. Magoo's Feb this lady she's had to be in a seventh knew everything about me, everything sports and laughing. She says, I love your podcast and. But I hate that job. Listen free to the big podcast with shack exclusively on apple podcasts, podcast, one dot com and the podcast one app. If you love the show share it with a friend and leave us a rating and review. Stay tuned for sixty seconds of eight me news headlights right after this podcast. Right now at banana Republic factory save big with fifty to seventy percent off the entire store. Let's take an extra fifty percent off clearing dot dresses. The of starting in nineteen ninety nine thank you nearest store. Shop online only banana Republic factory. Ten. Eighty. Yele should attend nothing. Run a spectacular come from behind win for the Boston Celtics. That's Kevin Harlan. I mean Kevin Harlan nightly puts on a play by play clinic. That was a great sequence of block to Brown. Finding Tatum for three. Yeah. That was going on during the schedule show was looking to cross the way there, and I know that there wasn't much for you to do during the schedule. Release shows you see whether you're locked in. I know I knew that you were depressed, and then things are going great. And then and then Brett Gardner step to the plate. Elsewhere, and we'll get to that later on the rich Eisen show. But hey, med cheapest homerun in sports all my gosh, says a guy with a huge wall about three yards away from home place. They'll have to hit it over the wall. At least I've got no, you know, you Wade Boggs made the hall of fame by just hitting it off of it. Yeah. Him and his stupid horse Celtics ninety nine Pacers ninety one is your. Final Celtic's down to with a minute to go and win by eight ten run over the final five minutes the fourth quarter. That's a rough loss. The pacers. Only scored twelve fourth quarter points twelve that's it. And they got they got they scored by nineteen in the fourth quarter and lost by nine while. And then the here's an interesting one for you, see how you try this one on for size. Christopher Kyrie's thirty seven six and seven stat line. First Celtics player with thirty five or more points, five rebounds and five or more cysts in a home playoff game since Paul Peirce. Correct. Two thousand three. Doing stuff that we haven't seen since Paul Pierce right there, man. Well, it's. It's been a long weird season. Right. Yes. And he has been saying for a long time, you know, what's wait until game seventy five and the playoffs, and then you can start judging us and here it is. And we're too, and it's been it's been it's been weird in the same way long season to see what the warriors looked like boogie cousins hurts himself. He's done for the foreseeable future. I mean, they haven't come out and said that he's done for the playoffs. Right. We just assuming that it's done. Yes. They come say said no surgery, but I can't imagine. He's again, we'll keep an eye on all of it. But the the season loan arcs, though, we're talking about. These season long arcs at some point we're going to land and they're gonna land on July first, but they've beginning to land now in April boogie cousins out. I mean, again that this is the moment the war's supposed to put him right on the table. Like an ace ace in the hole here. It is try and beat us. Now, your boogie cousins ready to roll. Now. He's hurt. We'll see what happens there season-long art, the rockets. What are they doing how they gonna look what's going to happen? How can they push the same rock up the same hill and get to a point where they just need to win one of the final two games in a series to beat the warriors. They're up to oh on the jazz. Harden looked phenomenal last night just phenomenal. As always to he had a nother thirty point game in the plows. He's beginning. So far in the playoffs. We're seeing the harden in the regular season from the regular season. How? Often. Have we been able to say that? I think this so far is the first time. We're seeing the hardened from his MVP and bleed into the postseason. It's just two games. Ricky who was just dry his heart out right here. But he did the shimmy and he missed the shot. But he still shook him putting his Tennessee had a triple double last night their career season postseason triple double this. He now has the most assists in rockets playoff history harden career at four hundred thirty seven passing Hakeem Alonzo Lon. How about that? We've that is your play officer Ligo. That's quite a stat right there. L zero's just on fire, by the way, great job yesterday. Eric a two day with you get me set for this show, and then all the schedules coming out and that was great yesterday. Chris recite yesterday out here, you may not like the way James harden plays. How it looks or whatever. But it's so affected. He's so dominated when I heard that. I thought who you know, I think that's a pretty pretty fair. No would never say. The one thing. I don't like about his game is the step back when it's clear travel, and he never they just get away with it. Well, I think that's the that's the move the NBA. Now, it is remembers the euro step for years. And now it's now it's step back. But it's on guard -able. The poll question brought to you by truecar when it comes to selling trading in your car to make good choices. And with truecar you gotta star on your roster. So when you're ready to sell or trade in your car, check out truecar to cash offer is not available in all areas have over there. Okay. We're looking at the best week one. NFL matchup schedule out best week. One matchup Texan saints giants. Cowboys chiefs Jaguars Steelers patriots Packers bear familiar with her Steelers pathway the way right now forty two percent Packers bears thirty four percent while again, that's what the schedule makers want. They want the two biggest games of the week in terms of exposure to be viewed as the two biggest games from the fans. So that works out right there. I'm into this Texan saints game. The only getting eleven percent right now. But I think that has potential to be a huge, look, we'll take a look at the schedule real quick. And then we'll we'll go to the phone lines. I mean, this is a big season for Houston. Obviously winning last year the way that they did and then getting absolutely boat. Raced out of the playoffs won and done by the colts their home for the saints. I mean there at the saints to start on Monday night than their home against the Jaguars. Tough star have no idea the Jaguars one of those no idea teams, are they gonna be are they going to be back to what they were two years ago 'cause foles is gonna show up and the foles that shows up is the foles of the playoffs and the foles of year one of chip Kelly. That's the question which foles is show which foles shows up if we thought Bortles was kind of the thing holding them back right the defenses, so good. But it was the offense couldn't get going. And you think foles is the difference. There Jaguars should be back. While you heard what Dion said when he was here last night of as part of our schedule release show antenna, film, our keys like it was a rap on the defensive side of the ball last year because they were just sick and tired of the quarterback play. And they knew was not going. Anywhere, obviously four net being hurt exposed Bortles. Right. Offense of line. Getting so banged up exposed Bortles in a negative way for him physically. And it just all went south as I was there for that. London. Gained calling that London game when it was so bang. They were so banged up in the secondary Coughlin. Couldn't even send home the guys who didn't pay their Bill overnight. And got you know, got pinched or nicked is they might say over the cross the pond, he couldn't even send them home. He had to play them and then disciplined when they got back. Stateside. So I don't know what the Jaguars then the Texans are at the Los Angeles chargers then their home and then their home for the Panthers. And falcons before they're at the chiefs at the colts as a really tough schedule. Start the year look out below man before their home for the raiders at the Jaguars and London and a buy week after which there at the ravens home for the colts home for the patriots on Sunday night. They really hearts got just keep an eye out for how that's going to all go. They gotta get tackled. One week from tonight. I think best tackle available. They gotta to get. Eight four four two four rich number two dollars. Take your phone calls right here. Dale in Orlando, Florida you here on the rich Eisen show. What's up Rick since last night? I couldn't wait to talk about the schedule of it. Thanks for calling in what he got what's which teams on your mind here. I'm assuming it's new near you guys are talking about who's got this. And nobody says anything tougher than the buck. Let's get it. Go for their home week three and not again to week ten. Their home for the forty. Wow. Their home for the forty Niners. And then they're at Carolina on third the kickoff Thursday night season home for the giants there at the Rams and at the saints before they have a home game in London a buy week at Tennessee at Seattle home for Arizona. Pack your bags that is crazy. Wow. I did not notice that that is quite something right there. And then there at the Rams. Ruin their season. Wow. Well, I mean James is going to get the frequent flyer miles going on. That's for sure. There at the the I I mean, look, here's the deal. I love your coach he is going to imbue the team with a certain personality and a certain confidence that is going to be contagious. And if he can transform James into the James where we've seen him throw four touchdown passes in Atlanta, for instance, that James if that James can show up and off the field, not do anything stupid. I think you're you're going to be in for a better campaign than you think. But the schedule you too good point Dale, thanks for the call right there. I did not notice that. I love it. Everybody's looking at the schedules misogyny taking look Michael and Arkansas right in the heart of our country. What's up, Michael? Hey, rich. How's it going? What's going on what's on your mind Lipton? I've got a serious problem here with the schedule as did not traditional the Super Bowl winners usually come out with a pretty hard scheduled in the year after lifted me Linglan schedule, they don't play a even a play-off caliber teen until the ninth game. What is going on here? Well, Michael, here's the deal. The patriots schedule always looks easy because the rest of the AFC east can't get their act together. That's six aims and an after the opener against Pittsburgh. They've only play AFC east teams for the next the next to the next three weeks and for them. What's really good is? They get the game against the dolphins out of the way right away. And it's not one of those late season things and they're at buffalo when it's nice, and and and and summary still in September. They're not gonna go there in December. Where it's minus ten degrees in the train Wilson's going. And who knows what comes out of the stands being thrown by the fans, you know? So it that might be part in terms of what you're saying is is easy. But the schedule is essentially, we know what it is. They take me play six games in division. They play another division in conference another division. Attic conference. This year, the division outta conference is the NFC east. So they take on a dolphin jets bills and Redskins and giants and jets in after taking on the Steelers before the Browns come into their house. That's why it might look easy to you. But it it's not like the schedule makers are giving him a break. Super Bowl winners. Always usually. And it's usually not forgetting that the Super Bowl winners. I mean, getting fairly hard schedule the year after a thanks the call, Michael they get a first place schedule. What that means is they have to play every other first place team. That's why the chiefs are on the schedule. That's why the Steelers are while the Steelers are on the schedule because they play the AFC North, Texas. The Texans are on the schedule. Thank you. That's why. And then complain about the Pat schedule you want tell the bills jets and Gulf begetter exactly how the better come up with something better than just constantly churning head coaches and trying hundred backs whoever or their new quarterback that they have who's got a lot of cake for seven kids in the last three months, and and they're tanking for two. And you can't say it's that easy because they play first place teams. They played at Pittsburgh like four years in a row. Relax people. Eat them. Eight four four two four rich number two tall. We're often running here. You wanna talk about your team schedule. 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Big Blue Big Board: SB Nation NFL Writers' Mock, Pick 17

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28:11 min | 2 years ago

Big Blue Big Board: SB Nation NFL Writers' Mock, Pick 17

"Uh-huh. The big big board podcast. I am Dan position and joint here back. Chris phlegm? Chris how're you doing today? Well, good for now. We'll see how we're doing. After despite cats drops the good state. So here we're coming with another kind of bonus edition where we are diving into a breaking down what happened in the SP nation NFL writers mock draft, we gave you an episode for that earlier this week or last week. I don't even remember at this point one of those two you have listened to it where nation polls all their their team writers. They do a mock draft because the giants have two first round picks. We are doing this again. So Ed had these six overall pick like the giants do if you listened to that episode. You know, the giants picks Devon white linebacker out of LSU. We are back now for the seventeenth pick. And we will just update you very quick on. What has happened? To this point. So over the first six zero quick it was Zona with collar Murray San Francisco with Nick Bosa the jets Josh Allen Oakland with Williams Tampa Bay with at all over the giants. Ed took Devon white since then Jacksonville took twain Haskins seventh. The Detroit Lions took Brian burns edge from Florida state at eight buffalo to TJ Hopkinton tight end from Iowa at nine Denver. Took a true walk quarterback for Missouri at ten Cincinnati to Devin Bush linebacker from Michigan at eleven at twelve. Green Bay Montas wet edge, Mississippi State, thirteen Miami. One Taylor ofensive tackle from Florida. The fourteen Atlanta Falcons, Jona Williams ofensive tackle from Alabama. Fifteen Washington to clone feral edge from Clemson at sixteen. Carolina took Andre Dillard, authentic tackle. From Washington state. So at seventeen Ed had pick and took Reshad Gary edge from Michigan Brinkley. I'm insulted by this. I we have both talked several times about how the giants picking Rashawn Gary was almost a worse case scenario. It behind the scenes Ed had asked me a few times. He said he was leaning really hard toward staking, Gary. And I told him don't do it. Give him several other options that in my opinion would be in much better picks and he took airy anyway. So here we have talked about Gary few times. And he is interesting. It seems the NFL does like him he is super athletic. That is something you can see occasionally on tape. It's something that was tested and proven at the combine at Gary killed the combine he came in fourth in his edge class in spark. Again, just say what spark is every time. We bring it up. Although most of you probably know by now just a composite score of all the testing from the combined. In improv as Rashawn Gary came in be ninety fifth percentile among NFL, Ed rushers. He is a big, dude. Six four came in about two seventy seven between two seventy to eighty which is a bigger guy for the edge at Michigan. He played some edge. She played some and the interior that goes into his evaluation. But when we break down Gerry there is not a whole lot of production. And that's kind of the problem. And that's the disconnect on what Gary is as a prospect. So sports info solutions Gary head a pressure rate of twelve point five percent that is fifteenth among this draft class, which is now great going by just raw sadistics Yumi had three and a half sacks seven and a half tackles for loss. Only nine runs. Stuff's look at some of the other. Guys in the strap like Josh Allen had twenty four run. Stuff's colin. Farrell had twenty three O'Brien burnt had sixteen and a half a Brian birds had fourteen and a half tackles for loss. Farrell had nineteen and a half to wash Allen had twenty one and a half tackles for loss. So these guys who are getting way more production. And the disconnect for Gerry is as much as the athleticism is there and people like that in our trying to project that it just doesn't show up on the field. Yeah. And there's a couple reasons for that the I e he is ridiculous linear athlete like in a straight line. And this does show up on film. And it's basically his entire game out of the blocks. He is legitimately explosive. You showed that with four five eight forty thirty eight inch vertical jump ten foot broad jump. Those are all ridiculous numbers for a player his size promise. He. Has very little bend. And he can't corner. His three cone. Was a seven point two six which only lands him in the forty second percentile of edge rushers. Everything else is his broad jump at seventy six. Percentile vertical jump is ninety. I is forty yard dash was ninety four th percentile. So he just doesn't have that ability to turn the corner. Like the other guys do and also his hand usage is just not there. He his hands are basically blunt instruments and his pass rush plan is explode blocks either try to run past offense of tackle in which case he suddenly has to corner which he can't really do or just bull over them. And that didn't really work all that often. Yeah. It just he leaves you with with so much to be desired on the field. You just watch him, and you were rarely there's like a flash play, but just not nearly enough consistency for you to really be excited by what he brings. And it's a lot more projection and afford a team to draft dairy high. They're going to have to be very confident in their coaching and their development in order for him to be worth that high pick to football outsiders came out with their sexier projection, which is basically how just how they project et rushers. Gary came in as the number five, edge, rusher and similar historical. Prospects of for Gary were. Frank, lark. And Mark his hunt. Those are two very different players Francorp eventually did turn into pretty productive pass rusher for Seattle. And that might maybe give you some hope for Gary, but it took quite a little bit to develop into that role. And he was behind some pretty good pass rushers when he came in. So he was a third or fourth pass rusher at best when he started and now has turned into the number one guy after the the APRIL's and the Michael Bennett's weren't in Seattle anymore, but he turned into a good guy. Right as his rookie deal expired, and that second contract is is coming markets hunt was a super raw athletic guy, who never totally clicked. But he was also a second round pick. Never totally clicked in Cincinnati. He's gotten better. But is now in Indianapolis. It took him a second team too. To get there. So you of have to wonder how long it's would you take for Jerry? If you put him on the giants right now, he's going to have to be forced to start and be pushed into a pretty big role early. Just because the depth chart is his very bare. And then you have to wonder with Gary a question, I have with him is when do you stop calling a guy raw because that's that's the term that gets thrown around with these guys who don't totally have the technique to be consistent pass rushers on a play to play basis. And I think that's the case for Gary right now people are considering him raw in there's you can have this similar store cO prospects to a mortgage Hon I've seen some comparison. So like Ziggy Ansah who was similar coming out. But those are guys who were relatively new to football when they. They started playing in college research on Gary was like the top recruit when he was recruited to Michigan, and Gary has a long history of being this guy with upside. So for him to not have developed yet in college, and then you still kind of waiting for him to have to develop at the NFL level and wait for everything to you quick. And for his traits to match and catch up with his athleticism, and that is that would be very worrying for me. Yeah. Definitely ups Lutely and Lancer line at feld come made the NFL comparison to Ziggy Ansah. And again, basically said, you know, he's got all these traits. But he's lacking development, but Gary is not like Ziggy Otto who had just started playing football. When he. Went to BYU. He's not like JP who had just started playing football. I think the year before he went to south Florida and south Florida is not Michigan. Erie had was the top defensive player in New Jersey in twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen he was as you said the top recruit in the class twenty sixteen. He is not new to the game. And it's not like he got bad coaching at Michigan chase innovators anything, but raw and I would say he's two or three times the pass rusher. That Gary is at he doesn't have anything light Gary's tools, so for Gary to have experience at the position and all these tools, but no production is concerning. You figure he would at least have to out athlete college tackles more than three times. Yeah. That's one of the biggest concerns is that the. Athleticism didn't even translate. I think we talk about a guy like we've talked about quite a bit. Like, Ben Begnaud you from TCU. He I think he did a interview with pro football focus, and he he explained that when he was at TCU, they were very just scheme dependent didn't get a lot of positional coaching. So he didn't really learn a lot of pass rush moves, but he has that at the lettuces and that one against opposing offenses enough where he was able to create pressure. He was able to get to the quarterback and just rely on that athletes. Gary didn't even win enough with that athleticism. And you would think if he's a super athlete like that would take over occasionally. And it just didn't do that often enough. No. And I just brought up Gary's game. Log and he did not produce against the best competition half a tackle. A loss against Notre Dame. A tackle for loss and a sack western Michigan nothing against southern Methodist to tackles for loss against Nebraska, Anna sack, nothing northwestern nothing against Penn State half a tackle for a loss against Rutgers one and a half tackles for loss and weren't a half Sack's against Indiana and a tackle for loss against Ohio State. Yeah, there's a lot left to be desired game. And I think it will another part of it is we talked about tweeden's in. How that is more of a good thing. Now when you knew can play two things, but I think for for Gary, it's possibly tween her in in the negative sense. Where at around two eighty he wasn't really able to handle enough pass rush production from the edge. But he also wasn't able to hold up when he was placed on the interior at Michigan that he. Played occasionally. So it's going to be a balancing act in for any team to draft him highly. They're going to have to be very confident in their developmental plan and very confident in how they decide to use him and where they place him on the line because he hasn't really just shown the ability to win anywhere on the field consistently. No. And that was the other thing I said to Ed Ed wanted to get an edge rusher to basically, replace Libya Vernon and I told him I do not believe that John Gary is an edge. Just at all. I think he is pretty much locked into having to be a five technique or a three technique in nickel packages, which is. Basically what the Annapolis has done with mortgage hunt. But it like hunt. It will probably take him a while to just be able to do that and play on as an interior defensive linemen every down that it's an alien position things happen at a different speed. It's going to take a different type of strength yet. It is end end if you project him to edge, especially in giant scheme. No, I don't think it's difficult for a rusher. Who's used to having his hand in the ground to stand up, but Gary was lined up in three point stance. Ninety nine point one percent of the time for Michigan per sports Pollution's he rushed ninety seven percent of the time. So that's that's all he's going to do on pass nap is rush the passer. And I think when you look at how this this particular draft ended up I think this ended up being. At least at seventeen kind of worst case scenario for the giants. And then when you work reflect on it kind of makes me sad or even more on the Devon white pick. Because you have had one of those better pass rushers there at six and then try to figure out how to fill in round that at seventeen because you know, after Devon white goes, Brian burns goes at eight months waco's at twelve of feral goes at fifteen and then also the tackles where you could have also gone here. They all go in that span was John Taylor at thirteen Jody Williams of fourteen hundred Dillard at sixteen. So after the white paper you just trying to get a playmaker. Which is what Ed said he was doing the board does not fall in a way that made that pick. Now, look better afterward. And really if you're still sit on an edge. Then Gary is almost. Your only option at this point. But there are a couple of players where you could have gone elsewhere, and then maybe circled back to f-. And I think that's what I would have done in this situation. Gone for say a cornerback. I probably would have taken, greedy Williams here. Short up an outside corner debt that coverage better. And then maybe like doubled up in even the second or third bound or the second and fourth third and fourth and just taking multiple shots at athletic edge rushers who were productive. You know, you could take a swing in in the second or third where Ben Donahue even max Crosby out of eastern Michigan. He's a guy who had better much better pressure rate than Gary and was fifth in spark. You could have had like a Jordan braille for'de who is at of Oklahoma state. He had a thirteen point one percent pressure rate. So that was a. Better than Gary. And he was he was sixth in orders right behind Crosby and Gary. So I think that probably could have been a better overall away to attack this if it if the board came down to this way, try to assure up the secondary have better coverage. Take the pressure off that edge rush little bit. And then take a multiple swings at address later in the draft yet. Definitely I like that strategy. I had actually recommend Byron Murphy the corner out of Washington. I'm a little bit higher on Murphy than greedy Williams. But I think that. I think if you have the with the right scheming, you could you almost can't go wrong there than in the second round may be get a guy like Zack Allen out of Boston polish or Charles knee who out of Texas. And then again like you said down the draft. You get headband you just in Holland out of Oregon, Christian Miller out of Alabama. There are a lot of different ways could have gone and. Probably gotten better value with a much much much lower chance of a bust happening and just to play what if at could've taken Brian burns or Montas sweat or even Colin Farrell at six overall that would have kept Devon white on the board. Who if Cincinnati wanted linebacker? They probably would have picked him and that could have dropped Devon Bush to seventeenth overall. And honestly, I I am ninety nine percent. Sure. At this point that I'm going to have Devon bushes. My LB one, and I think he fits better in the giants defense. He's a more instinctive player, and a better athlete than Devon white to me that would have been a much better way to go. I also probably would have looked seriously at a bradberry that centered NC state and just really shown up the middle of the offense of line. Yeah. That's a possibility. I still. I think I probably would have gone corner. I think greedy, I think probably would have been the best overall and most impactful pick their, but yet this is now just kind of an exercise in seeing what it can happen depending on where the giants go at six, and if they do want that edge rusher because pass rushers are going to be valuable in. There are going to be a lot of teams trying to grab pass rushers. They pass it on at six and their on air. Don't really get someone who can rush the passer like I've in gossip pursued. I suggested taking all of her is there over you put him on the defensive line. He's still going to be able to rush the passer. I know we said Devon white Cam wits but still that was only like twenty four percent of his pass naps. You want someone doing much more than that? If you are trying to. Disrupt the quarterback. So if pass there at six which in reality, it does not appear they are going to. But if they do in the do something like take a Devon white or just any anyone else? Besides pets rusher in with how the draft balls. There might not be anyone worthy at at seventeen. And that's the dilemma the giants are going to have. There is a decent amount of top tier talent here. But there's going to be a lot of teams looking at that same top to your talent. So even with three quarterbacks dawn, there's there's that run on the edge rushers and the offensive tackles. And that's really where the giants are the weakest on the Rosser right now, they have plenty of host to fill. So if you do get someone like Devon white innovation dairy, those are those are feeling. Holes so pretty much anyone the giants going to draft. It's probably going to play a significant role in twenty nine thousand nine just because of how the roster is set up. A but do you have a super high bus potential right now with the six of bro? Pick just being an off ball linebacker. Whether he's going to be able to produce where the of the six overall pick and high bust potential in the seventeenth pick of a super athletic guy who just has not been able to put his development together for production. So for a draft that kind of needs to set the giants up for the next couple years. That's that's a pretty alarming way to do it. It is we have said a few times and has said that this draft basically needs to be a home run for the giants. They have a lot of holes to fill and frankly, a lot of a lot of those holes they made themselves they could have gotten away with adding maybe a later round day two or very early three pass rusher if they kept a Laverne him. But now they don't have a proven pass rusher on the roster to just picking players who definitely pass the eye test. But have that bust potential? It's it is a big risk. Yeah. It is a no no prospects or are one hundred percent certainty. There's potential with literally everyone and even guys like as someone like, hey, Margus hunt was a bus at one point. And then kind of circle back and became a productive player in that's for another teams. So there's a potential for the. Development to be there. But for the giants right now when they have to be building a core of what is going to come over the next couple years. And that's what they have shaped this draft to become also almost has to become it because of what they have done on the NFL roster right now. And you don't wanna go to safe, and I'm not sure if that's even possible where you're limiting upside because you're too scared to bust, and I almost think that's kind of what they talk themselves into with quarterback last year and possibly with quarterback this year. But just in this case, those are two very risky picks. And and you really have to be confident in in how you are going to develop and deploy those players of for that to work out and be a what sets up defense for the long-term. Yeah. I I'm not sure how much more there is to add. We've covered ready much everything. Yeah. I think so I think it's just it's a good look of what could potentially happen. If the giants go defense defense with these two picks, depending on the players and the position I'm not even sure if they hit it out of the ballpark on those two picks. Hell good. The defense is going to be based on how many holes there still are on that roster. So it's definitely going to be just an interesting exercise of how this Rosser is going to continue to be built, especially when they are still things in place where they are trying to steal win as many games as they can they have not fully committed to a rebuilt. So there are still enough places where they are saying they're trying to compete. So how these two draft picks go is going to greatly influence that so we will be back on Monday talking. Some actual news. We're going to break out throwing shepherd deal on Monday, hopefully between now and then the actual details of that contractor went to come out. So we have a better idea of what the actual contract looks like and what that outlook is we're just going to wait for the entire deal to out before we really break that down and what it means for the giants shepherd and the offense and everything that goes around that. So you can find this podcast wherever you get your podcast. He's written a view if you have not that helped us out, greatly, info or work on view dot com. Fo review on Twitter at big blue view you follow big view on Instagram at big underscored underscore review. Follow me on Twitter at Dan possessor Cathal, Chris on Twitter at raptor K. I thank you for listening. And we will talk to you again. Hello. It's me Ashleigh Carmen nine Caitlyn too. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

Big Blue View

22:04 min | 2 years ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Answering your questions on a Twitter Tuesday

"Welcome giants fans. You are listening to the Valentine's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the SP nation family of podcasts. I'm your host Edvin Thein of big blue view in today's show. We're going to do something that we really haven't done here at big blue radio at least not done enough of we are going to do a Twitter Tuesday at our website. We've been doing mailbags for quite a while now and recently almost all of the questions that we have been answering have been coming through the big blue view mailbox at big blue view at g mail dot com. Haven't actually had to solicit questions from our Twitter followers for quite a while. So what I thought I would do this week. I. I asked for questions on Twitter to the BBB mail bag and today what we'll do is. We will answer some of those questions that I got from our Twitter followers as we build up to the two thousand and nineteen NFL draft. All right giants fans. Let's get started here quickly with our first question. Joe burst wants to know could the giants. Go tight end with the seventeenth overall pick. Joe this is kind of an interesting one I did an appearance with Pat traina unlocked on giants earlier this week. And Pat asked me if I thought there was one sort of outside the box scenario that would sort of turn the draft on its head for the giants and the one that I mentioned is actually taking tight end actually at the sixth overall pick one of the things. That that we know TJ Hopkinson of Iowa is considered to be the best overall tight end in the draft. I know there are fans of Noah font as well. But for the most part Hopkinson is tight end one on most draft boards. What we also know is that the giants need some receiving help after trading. Odell Beckham, you know, they have sterling Shepard they have an Ingram tight end. They signed golden Tate. They're bringing back Korey Coleman in but they could still use a big wide receiver. And there are some who believe that that big wide receiver could or should be Evan Ingraham. To take Hopkinson at six or seventeen. If he still happens to be available, and to be honest. I don't think he'll be there at seventeen to take Hopkinson would allow the giants to play Angra m- more on the outside. Now, do I see this as a legitimate thing that the giants would actually do probably not? There are too many needs in other places too many connections between the giants and and Ed rushers defensive lineman. You know, they have needs at corner on defense. There's always the possibility that they'll take a quarterback somewhere along the way. So you know, offensive tackle, even perhaps the center position. I think all of those things could be more likely than using a pick on a tight end. And or a skill position player like a wide receiver like like decay Metcalf. For Hakeem Butler or Nikial Harrier, whoever you happen to to think is value at seventeen on. But if you want a scenario, that's that's outside the box. That's possible. I do happen to believe that Hocson is a player that the giants are attracted to so as an outside the box scenario. I would simply say keep that one in mind. All right. Let's move on to another question. Jay pollard. Eight eight eight wants to know what sense. Does it make to lock in on defense with the sixth pick? And to think that the giants just take a quarterback at seventeen. Isn't. It more doubtful that if they subscribe to not reaching for a quarterback. It's a bigger reach at seventeen taking the third or fourth quarterback rather than the second best at number six. Well, I look at it this way, it's how they set their draft board. If you're at number six, let's talk about quarterback if you're at number six and the top quarterback ranked on your board. If you're ranking prospects say one to fifty the top quarterback on your board happens to be, you know, for argument's sake will use Dwayne Haskins if you were. Board says that twain Haskins is the twenty fifth or thirtieth or thirty fifth best player than that's a massive reach to take him at number six, especially when you have so many defensive players who should be ranked in the top ten on most draft boards, the value in this draft and value is something that the giants talk about consistently the value in this draft in the top ten appears to be largely on the defense side of the football. So that is why I think the giants are so often connected to to defensive players to Quinton Williams. If he happens to fall to Josh Allen, if he happens to fall, Montas sweat. Rashawn Gary Brian burns, Devon white. Perhaps, you know, someone Ed Oliver perhaps someone in that, you know, someone out of that group of players. I think that that is where the value is at number six in terms of number seventeen. Once again, let's let's say that it's Dwayne Haskins. And let's say that that he's you know that he's ranked twentieth or twenty fifth on their draft board to take him at seventeen if they feel like he's a quarterback they could succeed with that is closer to realistic value. I don't see it as I don't see it as that much of a reach to say, oh, you know, if they didn't like this guy at six what you know. Then then why should they like him at seventeen because the value is closer to what they have on their draft board. If you know if that's the way, they want to go if they don't think the quarterback is value at six, then you take the player, you think can really impact your defense. I continue to believe I continue to think there's a strong possibility that the giants will not take a quarterback at all in the first round. Maybe they'll take one at thirty seven. Don't know. Maybe they will take someone like Daniel Jones at seventeen, but I'm not buying this argument that if he's not value at six than he's not value at seventeen. I simply don't see it that way. Alright giants fans another question that we have here comes from David freed and David wants to know. I don't see a lot of mock drafts with the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. Whereas I believe that is inevitable. What odds are you giving that the six or seventeenth pick is a hog, Molly? Well, David, let's put it this way. Haag molly's exist on both sides of the football offensive and defensive lines. I think we've established that somewhere along the way, you know, the giants will be, you know, we'll be paying a lot of attention to the defense in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. Pretty much. We you know, it would be a surprise at this point if the the sixth overall pick is not a defensive player most likely affront, seven guy, you know, and more likely than not an edge guy or an interior linemen. You know, like a Quinton Williams. You know, an edge guy like a Montas, sweat or Brian burns as we've talked about were, Sean, Gary, you know, whoever happens to be on the board there. I think that I'm not sure that I by the fact that you know, quote, unquote, not a lot of mock drafts have the giants taking a right tackle in the first round. I think that we quite often see, you know, someone like John Taylor of Florida if he falls to seventeen mach to the giants we see Andrei Dillard of Washington state or Cody Ford of Oklahoma mocked to the giants. And I think all of those guys are realistic possibilities for the giants in the first in the first round. So would someone like like if you wanna center Garrett bradberry would be guy, you know, who would get consideration in the first round if he's there at seventeen I look at six seventeen and thirty seven and have said this before you look at quarterback you look at right? Tackle you look at pass rusher. You look at cornerback. And if you really want to you could probably throw in wide receiver as as a fifth area, but focusing on those first four. Positions. I would think that somewhere in those first thirty seven picks where the giants have six seventeen thirty seven. I think you're going to see the giants hit three of those four areas. And I think right tackle is a huge priority. So at seventeen or thirty seven I think, it's very very very possible that the pick for the giants at that point in the draft would be a guy who could slide in at right tackle. Let's take a quick break for word from our sponsors. 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Observer man, I look at it this way, I've said it many many times I continue say it over and over the giants need help. They need upgrades. You can argue at pretty much every position along their defense. I'm not necessarily. I don't want to obsess about a coverage. Linebacker. I think Cornerbacks possibility at seventeen someone like Brian Byron Murphy, I think it's a possibility at thirty seven. It's a possibility in the third round. I think the giants absolutely have to upgrade their cornerback. You know, I'm not buying the notion that we that the giants have to give someone like grant Haley chance to prove them to prove himself. They will undoubtedly give Sam Bill along. Look they drafted him in the supplemental draft sacrificed a third round pick this time around to do. So they're going to give him an opportunity if they can up grade from grant Haley, they're going to try to do that. If they can add talent at the cornerback position. They're going to try to do that if they can add a good linebacker somewhere along the way, they're going to try to do that. I'm not going to sit here and say linebackers. Important than cornerback. I quite honestly don't think that it is. I think that what's important for the giants is to add good players at as many levels of their defense as possible when it comes specifically to cornerback. One of my views has always been that you can never have enough. Good quality coverage players so any Cornerbacks that they want to draft. I'm going to be in full support of of them doing just that drafting guys who can cover players in the back end of their defense. All right. Our final question for today comes from barchi, man. And he wants to know he says Dave Gettleman prefers quote adults. The last time fat Shurmur was a second year. Head coach the Cleveland Browns took a twenty eight year old Brandon Weeden in the first round. Do I have any concerns that the drains will look to draft the safety? Safest least dynamic quarterback if they take one in this draft. Listen, I think that what the giants are going to do if they take a quarterback isn't going to be an isn't going to be to take the quote, safest choice. I think they're going to take the player that they believe in. Whether that's a guy who looks like a safe choice like Daniel Jones. You know on paper. Maybe it's a guy who's a a flyer Eknath. Let guy with a with a huge arm like like a Tyree Jackson, you know, later on in the draft. They're going to take the player they think fits what they want to do the best. They'll take a quarterback at seventeen or thirty seven or later in the draft. You know, if they think it's value selection. You know, maybe later on in the draft that guy is Ryan Finley guy who maybe doesn't have the greatest arm in terms of arm strength, but also happens to fill a lot of the or check a lot of the boxes that Pat Shurmur likes in terms of personality in terms of accuracy, in terms of anticipation, a lot of those kinds of things. So, you know, I don't think it's about being safe. It's about selecting the guy that they think. Is right for them. And I've said this bunch of times maybe that guys in this draft. Maybe they take a flyer on somebody this year. Maybe they use a second or third round pick. Maybe the guy that they want isn't in this draft at all. And that's okay. If they don't take one if there's a guy if there's no one they really believe in no one they that Pat Shurmur says I really want to coach that guy which is one of his his things that that he says when he's asked about you know, what does he think about when it comes to quarterbacks in the draft. He one of the questions he asks himself is whether he really wants to coach that player. And and maybe Dave Gettleman has said, you know, he dreams about dropping a franchise quarterback or getting one for the giants. You know before his time as general manager is is over with. It's it's entirely possible. That guy's not in this draft class. And if he's not then that's okay. Okay. You don't take a quarterback just to take one? You don't take one because the media or the fan base or Mel kiper says that you should you take one because you believe he's the guy that can lead your franchise. And if there isn't one of those guys in this draft class. That's okay. If there is one they'll take one, and you know, they know they have to find a long-term replacement for ally. Manning, they know he's thirty eight years old. They know he's on the back side of his career. You know, they know his time is short. So they'll they'll do what they have to do. They'll do what they think is. Right. 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Schefty on the Draft

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Schefty on the Draft

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Welcome to another addition of tacky state, the Harbaugh's podcast. I are watching here long with coaches, Jimmy, Jack Harbaugh director recruiting Dudek is here producer MacKenzie. It's here as well. Are lucky sports parents feature will return soon, but this week. We'll have a Michigan football NFL draft preview with our guest, Adam Schefter from ESPN. I we're going to start talking about what the weekend what happened here before we do that we remind you subscribe to us on apple podcast. You can listen by the podcast one app or on podcast one dot com. And please follow us and contact us on Twitter at podcast or using hashtag. Jack talk to ask you. I saw. So great pictures from over the weekend family Easter Trow visit here to how it looked like quite the quite the family fun. Even at since the picture that you're going to doing some work with coach Herbert we had a great time. There's all of our staff members we have so many kids as how many headcount we didn't get into. I forty some kids that that team shot that was taken last Thursday last Friday last Friday. I mean that should go out to every one every Michigan fan in the country. I mean that is what a beautiful thing children and coaches smiling racist, we had a we had a competition. And I understand that that you match you heads. You had a result that you're pretty proud. Yeah. You don't puff puffing? My chest. That'd be Ambi Dudek. Certainly will I athletic Dudek come through the family. She won the annual relay race. He want her ten-year-old race. And then she dominated. I'd like to say she pulled up at the end and the all winners race so hold up hamstring. I know she she kind of put her arms out at the end a little bit. You know, I mean. And so there's age group to ten ten and above race. The nine year olds eight year olds seven-year-old six five four three two. All raced. And then every every winner of that heat raced at the end and smoke house fashion to to come up with one winner. And it was Abby Duda. Your grandson jacquard ball won his heat for the six year olds. John Harbaugh was beaten by by Gaddis. Yup. Bye. Bye. Young young jas Gaddis. He's practicing speed and space early. How do you get a two year old to run you have to put light ravage you have to put little carrots down there? Let us zigzagging. It was down. We go get the egg get the egg. And then bring it back as quickly as you can't how did you handle that Jim when when when little Johnny was how were you promoting him? How are you moving him? I gave him the same structures as I gave the other kids. I don't believe there's no favoritism. Matt, can you shed some light on? I took off gas took off. Johnny started walking. Never never did break into a run. So what was it is a two man race that was just too. We just had the two year olds. That raced. Katie your granddaughter, Katie ran chose not to run. Katie did not run. She watched. Jack did rent run? And he was he won his heat addio wasn't there. She was horseback lesson. Abbie. Duda. Was the winner of the grand champion. Thank you. Thank you. There may be a trophy coming. But we're not going to give it to a rank Hebrew work. I'm not going to be yesterday. We had a little little pool thing. And Jim you must have thrown one hundred and eighty passes to those kids coming off the diving board at least I want to know your accurate for about an hour. C was good in early. We had a little problem with coordination coming off of the board in air trying to catch a ball that could be a little high little, but as they caught onto it. They got much much better at it. And I'm not gonna mention this one of our coaches names, one of our staff member names, but his son came off the board and made over the head catch. I mean unbelievable over the head catch twisted into the water held the ball above the lottery, and then was emerged or submerge into the water. And he pulled the ball pack up on. The latter. That kid came out of the pool. I have never seen a de so happy. I'm not going to. It's positive thing. Well, one of those things where the names have to be protected for the innocent. But it was I think it was Ben Herbert. Oh, charlie. Herbert was he was fantastic all day Thomas. Herbert five years old persistence award. He he was persistent. Andy was the he now the kids went like two straight hours. I mean, I I bought out after an hour of throwing Kate McNamara took over for the second hour, but those kids lined up at the diving board, I mean straight for two hours and time Thomas her waiting list of like twelve people behind. We're waiting to get up there at all times. But Thomas Herbert. I mean, never broke expression. He he probably the first fifty balls. He didn't didn't make a catch. And then finally made a catch. And then made out the light one on light went on. He made three in a row after that. That was it was phenomenal to see the persistence which comes as no surprise. No, one father, Ben Herbert. But they were they were over there on sitting in watching. And everybody's watching the abbey was a natural. She made a great made great catches over the head type catches. And then the coaching came in. I think Cade was throwing Jack and everybody was stretch him out a little bit. We're giving him giving him softballs. I mean ball right in the middle of the chest. I mean, there's no you can't miss it. It's right in the middle of what you make the I catch then you start to get into the degree of difficulty and Cade is throwing the ball. So Jim makes his way over to Kate. And I'm thinking, what are what he's talking about it. So Jack lines up the next time. He throws one. I mean, it had to be at least ten feet to his right? Jack comes on. And he's he's been getting hit right in the chest. And all at once. It's a it's a wayward throw changes his body in mid air. He didn't get it. I don't want to say the got it reached out. I said oh my God. He can't reach out anymore to write off his finger tests. But you coach K to give him a more challenging. Yes. Stretch them out a little. I come off the floor, but a little bit more. It's a real thing though. I mean, catching a ball coming off a diving board or coming off into water is a wonderful coaching porkers players make the catch. But sometimes they they don't embrace the fall or they don't embrace the tackle. That's coming. You know, they they think too much about the fall that's coming or the tackle. That's come. You. Gotta learn to catch the ball put it away in an embrace embrace the fall embraced the ground and embrace the tackle. I got an idea next time we do that put someone in the pool with a bag. Maybe it hit. Come into water. Just reshow pound. Can a hit him a little bit too. Yeah. Not in the face. Stay away from the stay away from the head and neck area head neck era, targeting no, targeted. I think we can add something to that. Able to get out to the pool yesterday because it was such a beautiful day and have a chance to let the kids go out and enjoy the weather and sunny. Yeah. And it felt a lot warmer based on recent. Whether it's been like, so skin kids that we to appoint here Saturday was probably forty five and rainy, right, but bad I was. Doing some I was recruiting heroes over here had some recruits in this weekend. Driving home and turn out ten fifty baseball game was a three hour. Fifteen minute rain delay. You heard us on the way home. I heard you on the way home I were wind trap doing the call. It was Michigan versus northwestern. And I'm still sprinkles coming down to the words ballgame maybe I'll just turn around and go back to the volume, but I just chose to listen to you on the radio. I appreciate your doing a nice job a suggestion. If I may always. Tips. Get Jack Harbaugh in the booth with you for open invite OB like you're a one man show. Emma one man show Jack Harbaugh. Great fan of baseball and very good at bringing baseball and sports insights what you do a game in ira-. I'd love to do that. Let me ask you a question. You had a three and a half hour delay three hour. And so on Saturday though, they cancelled Friday's game push into yesterday. Make a double header which is great because they was beautiful Saturday. It's supposed to be a two o'clock game. Then they said, well, we're starting in a rain delay. And I look the map, and I go we're finishing in a rain delay too. But it actually rain stopped at five twelve for the most part and the first pitch at five thirteen so three an hour and fifteen minute is rain delay. And to know I just leave it in local programming. I did not have to fill that is the hardest job in the. But let me tell you don't tell me what the guy says during the game everyone. I think everyone is good decent. Tell me what the guy does a three and a half hour delay. I want you to know how he he is the real Wade Hoyt you ever heard of Wayne. Oh my goodness. Wade hoists Cincinnati Reds used to pitch for the new. New York Yankees was the greatest rain delay guy in America. He could go two hours and covered. And it was the greatest radio that you've ever heard in your life. That is eight that's a that's a skill that you were giving scores from all over the country baseball baseball scores. Michigan had some nothing. There's three zero Michigan was leading. When I pulled into my driveway and stopped listening. They ended up winning the game four to one. They won the game four to one. So they ended up winning the game. But it was you know, three nothing and they definitely had some help with like five errors in the game. It was not a well played game. But it was a game that played in less than three hours. And so we had three combined games for under nine total hours in college baseball, which is awesome. And Eric seems playing pretty well as fun those were fun games. Those give me your home run call. I it's got to be live. I gotta say everybody has a home run. Call at throw a little different. We had a good one yesterday quiet conference pretty hard. But here's the pitch the high fly ball to right field. It is going, and it is home. Michigan. Correct. Mishit and then use you gotta get in that Michigan wolverines part like when Brady of the touchdown. It's always it's not touched down the players. It's always touchdown Michigan. And then you tell who the player was already knew who was but you go back in Michigan. Touchdown. Homerun Michigan wolverines. And then homerun Chris Bullock as drought. Drove in three runs. I think the team and then the player unusually not what the cracking of the voice that I just had here in the studio. So it happens. We should find yesterday were cramp, Jack. And Jackie house watching the babe. The John Goodman, John Goodman, starring movie brings tears to my eyes. This thinking about it. It's those three home runs against the Boston comes over and drops his cap in front of the owner of the order who was telling him. He was just there to sell seats. And they'd never make him the manager and he wobbled into the tunnel. That was his goodbye. I think I really think the embellished somewhat there. I don't think it happened. Exactly that way. That is definitely embellished. That's correct. They've been outed as embellish that actually there's been a lot of talk lately, I'm not sure why about great sport baseball movies. And I saw your favorite one the other day. It was on flipping channels the satellite was on. Oh, right around the time. When who they were learning he was learning about the beast. We talked about the sandbox sandbox not saying Los and lot. But the other day Jim came over. And he said you have to see this movie is great movie that that you endorsed lucky seven looking number sloven number Levin. And we watched a movie about an hour and a half deep things were going on. And I'm lost. I'm trying to get caught up. And it's it's just everything it possibly could happen. You think you got it? And then it's gone. The other way my head. I got a headache. I'm putting my head. No. And I told Sarah why don't we just put on Sam. I was going to go to I know who the good guys are come on. This is watch San lot. Before we before we wrap this up and get to our guests talking NFL draft with Adam Schefter coming up here in a tacky stayed the Harbaugh's podcast something we didn't get to on the podcast last week. We had sitting on the table a beautiful helmet from the military and gentlemen, gentleman's name was Todd Braun. And I know Jack you had a chance to Jim you've tried to helmet on on the field. And Jack, you had a chance to spend a lot of time with Todd and this guy and we'll go on on the podcast Twitter. We'll give more of his details and put out a picture you'll see and hear more about him. And he's a true American hero bad ass kind of guy. I mean, he is in Iraq in Afghanistan and really cool picture. And obviously a great way to for you guys to infer Michigan and general you can tell them that way. He's wife or both marines. He served seventeen years. I believe he had he had written the office and talked about how they were coming off the off these missions in Afghanistan. Dan, and those different places in at two o'clock in the morning. If the university of Michigan was playing their satellite was turned to the university of Michigan. And then they would get with their their fans there, Wisconsin fans and Ohio State fans, and they would call Cavaliers the the helmets. They wore. So what they would do they painted their their helmets and and his helmet you'll you'll see is a total replica curve wing to wing helmet. And so he would wear his and Hieaux state guy would wear his and they would root for their teams. And so he came to the spring game. He he brought his his daughter and his wife, and in one of her friends, and and they were at the game wanted his sons came along as well down on the sideline they presented Jim with one of those cavalier helmets, and we and we took a picture and we've corresponded back and forth since then and real Michigan fan and so proud to honor the military you ever you guys realize sometimes what when those guys at two o'clock. Morning. They're on a base somewhere that they they stop everything they have in win loser draw there there you guys make their day. It's a way to kind of bring them up a little bit of home to them. And that kind of thing for the guys in the troops. You know, I do as a as a passionate fan of the of the wolverines. I. Now as never on a military base. But, but yeah, which stay up stay up at night to listen to games or early in the morning. Also can pry do you one better is we have a football player team Jonathan Lamborghini, who's a marine so from Michigan graduated in two thousand fifteen from high school and got into the marine reserves as we didn't fifteen sixteen he came to Michigan and did a freshman year at Michigan and seventeen. He was the -ployed active duty got back into school this past fall in September of two thousand eighteen did is was a student in the in the fall, and then came to January we have our annual student tryout. He tried out for the team late January made the spring roster and participated in spring practice all all spring as a participant plan and looks like he's gonna make the roster for the fall. So he'll go through the summer cycle now. And and. Get his football IQ up and understand the technique better. But he brought a lot of energy and enthusiasm to the team in the weight room. And and in all regards it has three years of eligibility to play. So not only we have of rain from active duty who's on our on our team. Currently right now that is really cool. And I'm guessing that toughness is not something that he needs to be coached with. No, you've got a lot of energies got a lot of enthusiasm. Do anything ask do anything and everything that you asked on a football field? Just as to the learning curve of football, the football IQ is that they but he played played some running back and some safety in highschool. And now he's now he's playing linebacker here where she from a C from northville, Michigan. I want to say he was from north Phil I hit the look coach let me see played a very small small school in highschool, maybe Grand Rapids, Grand Rapids, Christian or a point. I want to make is if. If I were starting all over again, and I were a seventeen eighteen year old guy graduated from Chris lined high school and a competitive guy in didn't find the right path. You know football or academic show. Whatever was or I had a son John Jim Jones, even and they were out of high school trying to figure out what they wanted. I don't think a bad path would be joined the military in some form or fashion. Whether it be a reservist or whether it be a two year commitment to to'military servers spin that two years in those lessons that are learned and then move off into whatever you wanted and we're not even talking football. Now, whatever you want. I think you would have a much better vision much, clearer vision to what lies ahead as you pursue your life's work. Now say, maybe if you don't get a lot of moms that will cosign that. But that's definitely close on that. And you have one of the building Phil Bromley son trip whose. Now recently out of marines. I'm sure that they would cost on the same thing. If you're not quite sure what your path is that that's a path that you take any kind of help show on the way. There's no question about it. There's some form of post high school. Education is critical. Whether it's a four year college, a two year, college military trade school. You've got to find one of those pass in my opinion, when when you graduate high school there has to be education after high school and that maturing process that two year cheering process. Best prepares you for that for that next step. And I think so many of our young people come out of high school, and they're just not focused on what they want or what they're looking for in the military military option to me would be would be the way to go. There you go talk to Jonathan Lamborghini, graduated high school from grand river, prepatory Zhou, Grand Rapids. Not a household. Name grand river prepatory highschool hip. Played football played running running back and safety there. And now he's on the Michigan football team playing linebacker, but he did just which carbos talking about right now after high school go into the marines reserves, then did a year of college freshman year, then went onto deployment now back at university. Before we get to our next guest the lead into our guests with Adam schefters lasting here. Football related in this segment. Coach exciting week for individuals, and of course for the program as well. And it felt draft Thursday Friday, Saturday, always a really fun exciting time yet. It's it's great that we have this to look forward to you know, you have this football big day that's in late April or may the the annual NFL draft. As a player as a player. You're just I thought was he right now. I know exactly where I am what I'm doing after this weekend. I'm going to have a whole new city to go live in a whole new. Path. Whoever takes me. That's the that's the team that I want to play for and give everything I have to to make them. Great and make myself great as a. Yeah. So there's a calmness about that. The as a coach I'm excited for the for all the players that we have that are looking to do that journey and it's going to be an exciting weekend for Michigan football players. They're going to they're going to have APPA -tunities to be NFL players and. Teams will be lucky to have them. I can I can tell you that. So. Yeah. Where though world they'll go. That's that's the exciting part to what what team they go to. That's that's really exciting. But you know, it's been it'll be great. You know, I've seen him around this. This this building for the last. They're working out their for their water jugs around. You know, they're looking at me. I've looking at them. It'd be nice to just have them. You know, knowing what they're know what their path is from here. We did just one thing from the standpoint of parents Jack in myself. I remember when Jim was being drafted. I remember that day in Kalamazoo that morning Kalamazoo, and you know, that that call coming in a little bit early and the answer. Yes, I would love to play for the Chicago Bears. And and the excitement of then looking to the television and EDNA twenty-six peck in the first frown the Chicago Bears take Jim Harbaugh. I mean, I think of all those parents out two hundred plus some parents are going to hear that call and grandparents are going to hear that call and they've gone through what twenty one twenty two years and the ups and downs and the games and all those different things. And there it is. And it's about a two second experience that you've waited a lifetime force. My hat's off, and my my gratitude and applause is out to those parents and grandparents that'll experience it more on the NFL draft next with our guest here on the techie, the Harbaugh's podcast ESPN's, Adam Schefter. You're listening to attack each day. The Harbaugh's podcast. This is firefighter Raphael. Poor yet for firehouse subs. Introducing new firehouse payers pair, your favorite small sub with a signature side, like the awesome, five cheese, MAC and cheese. And remember a portion of every purchase at firehouse. Subs goes towards helping first responders firehouse subs. Joy more subs. Save more lives. Participating locations only firehouse subs. Donate a minimum of one million dollars in two thousand nineteen to the firehouse subs public safety foundation by donating point one one percent of every purchase. Make sure to stick around after this podcast to get the latest headlines from the AP news minute. The NBA playoffs are here and podcast. 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Well, be honest with you right now, we got a lot of work going on our house like we're trying to get a room done, and there's also all sorts of men that's going on here right now. And I'm going to Nashville on Tuesday. And that is going to be my occasion. I I gotta get there. And and just have the sole focus being worked. So it's going to be very nice to get the Nashville on Tuesday looking forward to. But. Yeah, it's the phone's ringing the texture buzzing, and we got issues going on with a couple of things the home. So you're dealing with all this madness and chaos. What's called life? I guess right. There you go. We'll jump in and talk some football with you. And before we get into some of the Michigan guys that are pride. Go in the first round and beyond like, Rashawn, Gary, Devin, Bush, etc. Fans wanna know this week how much of what they hear. That's being reported from general managers coach it cetera. Can they actually believe? It was funny because on Saturday I was on the phone with Joe manager. And he said to me, I could tell you exactly who I'm taking and you and other still wouldn't believe. So you don't even know what to believe even when you're hearing the actual truth. Right. So I think it's just best to just go by all of the information. You've been hearing for weeks and months now about where they could go, right? So like, I'm showing Gary, and you guys know these players far better than I do and what they do. Well, and what they don't do. Well, but I'm just telling you the word of mouth from what the people around the NFL are saying and a guy like Rashawn Gerry whose enormously gifted could go as high as number six to New York Giants, but I've also had people GM's in the twenty s telling me if you expect boy, I need to do more work on Rashawn Gary in the event that he slips to us. So again when Thursday night rolls around. And could resign Gary go six the giants could could he folds in the twenty s he could now what's the truth? I maybe all of it. Maybe all that's true. Right. But that's an example of what you're dealing with this week. Look, I I would guess that Devon Bush will go before Rashawn, Gary. And you know, I don't know how many people would have thought that a few years back. But I just seems to be the sense I'm getting although look Gary also once you get past the giant fun at six Detroit has a need their buffalo as a need their Denver like you could put them anywhere because of. So and by the way, all takes one team one team that really likes him you gone through this process coach, and you're actually you've been on both ends of it. You've been on the coaching side from the college side where guys may call you and say, what do you think about this player you've been on? The other side was the coach's perspective on both sides. Bob being an NFL guy and calling around to get some extra information. But also being the college course that people have called a lot of things. A couple of things that jump out when you're there when you're the pro team you're trying to find out you're really just trying to predict like to see who's going to who's got a possibility of going before your pick. If you're pick in the twenties or the thirties, or even if yours high as five or six, I mean, you're you're wondering who it's going to be. Yeah, we'd like this guy. But he's probably not going to he's probably not going to get to us. So where do we go from there? And then what's the what's the plan b if you can pretty much hone in? There's a guy that you'd like to get that you'll probably get and. Then if if things occur where another guy we would have really loved to have gotten him. Now of sudden he's here. You know, you're ready for all those different scenarios from the player standpoint. You know, the the interesting thing thing to me is that there's been so many mock drafts by so many different people that I think I personally tracked about one hundred forty eight that have been predicted to go in the first round by some kind of service or people that are in the know. But we all we know there's only going to be thirty two that are actually drafted in the first round, and you multiply that by the people that think they're going to be a second round pick or the people that think they're going to be a third round pick. It may be two hundred and fifty six they're going to be drafted. But there's been predicted navy. You know, how many Adam to be drag seven hundred eight hundred. I mean, some I question for you. How many do you hear from during this process with all the talent you have in Michigan with all these fine? Young men. How many teams reach out to you? You for your opinion on these guys and how they will fare at the next level quite a few. Maybe I don't know how many, but it's been been a been been some not some some different guys. Maybe some it's on. It's not all every team is not always the same guy. I would say say it like that. And the other thing I would say is that they already they already know they already know what they know. And and they're they're, you know, asking asking me something, but. How many how many times this processed you come away with the feeling like boy shakes winner, which I think is going to go to a certain place, and that feeling turns out to be right while that's a that's a good question. I have I can't really I can't say that I've ever been able to pinpoint where a guy's going to go based on them. Call teams calling me before the draft. There's so many of my brother, John, that's the thing with my brother John's Yolly one. It's not easy to do. Even when you're on the inside looking out like Delhi. You're getting calls from teams. And you might think boy I've heard from team x awful lot about player why. But it doesn't mean the player wise going t- mex- just doesn't play why Mike attracted before team ex- gets. It's crack or maybe team x is just doing its due diligence to cross check some information had gotten about a play. Like there are so many things that go into this. And sometimes if it came knows it wants to draft the guy one of your Michigan players, sometimes it may not ask anybody because it doesn't want anyone to know anything. How many times you find at the end of the draft a player will get drafted in the first round in the press conference. Will how many times did you? I never heard from this team. We never I never talked to this team. And they drafted him. I heard that on nummy in numbing instances. Yeah. That's that's a regular occasion. Like, I remember one year. The Broncos say called me a bunch on. Jay cutler. And going into the draft. I had a very good idea that he was going to be the pick at number eleven. I think they traded up a couple of slots to go get him. And I remember that they spoke to him. And he's like, yeah. I worked out with all these people into I never heard from Denver, and they went I'm thinking, well, you know, there are certain people that knew that he was going to Denver, but he the player himself didn't know that and players could have certain ideas, they've never been through the process before to know what to or not to expect. And so you could think we're going to watch from this team. But it just could be that. This team's got medical concerns. Emotional concerns. Like, it's really just doing its due diligence like that team in the twenty s that said to me, hey, gotta do some work on Sean Gary here in the event that he full stuff's bright like resign. Gary mean ever from the team he not be expecting to go in this team. But all of a sudden if the draft goes certain way, it's possible he goes there. But it may not go that way. So you just don't know. I always as a college coach. I I. And you're talking to pro peop-? I just have a distrust of what they're what they're asking. You what they're trying to do my basic, my basic thought when they're when they're here talking is like with any player they're trying to get them as low as they possibly can there. They'd like to see the players go as low as possible. So they get to them or they get to them in the next round or the next round. So that's that's my view of them. You know, they're trying to they're trying to do. What's best for their team? It draft is all value driven. Right. That's what pe- that's the whole thing. So again, we keep coming back to Sean, Gary. Let's see the giants work considering him at number six, and let's just say hypothetically that they decided to bypass him and go with you know, I'm making this Devon Bush. And then all of a sudden, John Gary does slide so many there seventy will. They might say, hey, he's the seventh player on our board or the six player on our board. Let's go take Sean Garrett seventeen and they'll be thrilled to get them there. But also, you know, beauty's in the eye of the beholder, and this is a draft that once you get past the first six seven eight players, it seems like a lot of teams have a lot of different opinions. I got a bunch of GM's tell me, hey, takes eighteen to thirty two. They'll be guys that go there that some teams have second or third round grades on some teams wouldn't draft some teams love them. And so it's really hard to predict who's going to go in those slots because again, the holder and one team may like a certain guy a lot more than. Other. And again, it's about getting the value for your guys. So, you know, Daniel Jones from do to do quarterback. There have been a wide range of opinions. There are a wide range opinions on all the quarterbacks twain Haskins from Ohio State and through lock from zuri. So again, it's not just the get the guy all the quarterbacks and a little bit of a different category. But, but where do you get the guy what does it cost you? And so that that's that's where the best teams do the best in the draft getting values if they can there. That's that's their signal motivation is the best draft that they can. And and you know, people I see people trying to like put out a negative thing about a player. Jerry is runs in the in the four five is two hundred eighty pounds. He's going to get drafted in the top ten. I mean, these people are trying to kill themselves that he's he's not just it's comical to me because I can see what they are trying to get somebody to the not pick him in the. Top ten so he can fall to the to the, you know, there's some people out there that would love to see him go to into the twenty. So they could get him. It's it's it's it's fairly transparent. And in the way, I think the pro teams go about it is that, you know, the the they try to well, I don't know. I wouldn't take them there. I wouldn't take him here. Watch undrafted that he'll get to take them. To that spot in in the, you know, so that makes sense, I guess, it makes total sense. But again, the only thing I would say to that is and I don't disagree with you. But there had been we can go over every draft where you here. Okay. This guy's going in the top tenure. There doesn't there's that's what I'm saying. When they're usually when they're not when they're not going in the top ten they're going to say that they are going in the top ten because if you're sitting there at fifteen or sixteen and John you want the giants to pick a guy. So your guy gets to gets to you, you know, so there's, but I could get back to you guy every year that slides like. Rivalry. And there were multiple guys. It's letting guess what? There are equally proportioned number of people who rise up. They will this guy win the first round or this guy slipped into the second round, or whatever it may be. And all of a sudden, you didn't see that either. So I mean, the thing that I love about the draft on Thursday night is there's been so much talkative for weeks and months that on Thursday night. Guess what? No more talking put your cards on the table truth serum night. We see exactly what you think. Oh, so the giants did take Rashawn Gary over a quarterback or they took a quarterback over Sean, Gary or they did something else. So we know exactly what they thought at that spot at six you find it out, right? There's no talking around it. It's all there. Thirty two teams step out front, and they put their cards on the table. And that's what I love about the Drexel. You could see certain things. Like, hey, there are some sneaky quarterback teams this year. Like what if Detroit to qu? Quarterback because Matthew Stafford you know, maybe they're thinking in the future of moving on. What if Carolina drafted a quarterback? Cam Newton coming off shoulder surgery. What if the we we go through the list of teams that have quarterback questions? They're sneaky quarterback teams out there looking. With a few outliers. It's going to be the guys who everybody thinks is going in the first round pretty much the first route, it may not be this team or the may be some drama that the giants didn't take this guy or that guy or the, but when it's all said and done it's pretty much going to it's going to it's going to flow out to if I was picking if we're picking a twenty four we pretty much knew who the first twenty three we're going to be with with a with a with a surprise here. They're you know, maybe maybe two or three or four surprises. But it's not gonna be it's not going to be. There's not be close to any different than what most people think it's going to be say that because a lot of times you'll be speaking to twenty endless say, okay team twenty gave us the give us who you think. I don't care. The order the nineteen players who are gone in front of you. And so teams are just trying to do as much due diligence in advance. So they had the best idea. Okay. We're going to be looking at a choice between these two or three players at number twenty. And that's what they're thinking. So if I give him nineteen names that I think are going in the top nineteen, you know, I'll I'll probably hit on a healthy number, then I'm sure I'll have some MRs. But but everybody's doing the same work and has similar information. And these teams want to try to make those decisions and just be as prepared as possible for every scenario that comes their way. Like, I may say them, you know, at a team say to me. Hey, jiffy Simmons, you know, is he gonna make the second round based on what I'm hearing. I don't think Jeffrey Simmons who towards ACL in the off season who had some personal questions about him who's an enormously. But I don't think he makes it into round two. That's my opinion. We'll see if it turns up. You're right. I think that guy who's got some question is going to be a first round pick somewhere in two thousand thirteen were draft and San Francisco, and we one of the corner and there's a lot of good corners in the draft. And we said, okay. Here's the five. We really like. And we'll take with our with our picket we had twenty eight or twenty nine. No. We had our thirty whatever we had gone there. They're all gone. Yeah. You are looking. I mean, you're you're trying to predict who's going to go in front 'cause there's a there's somebody you want and somebody you're hoping for, but there's no way that guy's gonna slide that much. Well, here's a guy that's realistic. And and you're watching you hope it doesn't get to be a run on a on a position when you're when you're a bet you're like John Harbaugh. Your Baltimore Ravens? You got the twenty second pick. You probably have as a draft is moving toward you. You're looking we'll take any one of these five guys that get us. You know, we're going to we're going to jump on. And then one guy goes and another guy goes and another guy goes now is down to two within the next three. Imagine the sweat begins. The. Yeah. The palm of your hands at that point in time. Yeah. And you're also working you're also working the other option prayed and down right? Or you're you're thinking we need to trade up made it it's a trade up trait down or no we're going to be good. We're going to get a player. It's just a matter of time in the closer it gets. Okay. They could take the five guys. We would take it that spot. And as soon as they don't and you got you got five with only four spots in front of your your, no. No. And then then it's like, I really want this one. And you're hoping that one that win stays to your pick. And or, but then there's all kinds of all the things Adams talking about everybody's been talking to everybody. And you know, you're rumors are flying around weight. Well, you know, we know that Cincinnati really likes this guy, and they're going to they may try to move up in front of us. Sometimes the boar coach foles just the way you want it to enforce right to your lap. And it's easy. And then there are other years where it's just a struggle. You know what? And and for all the people, the the family understand this many people, it's become a fancy football society. So people go through their own fancy football dress. And it's really not all that different from NFL draft some fancy football draft, your pegging certain guys, and you get them what where you want him value spots other times the guy you want goes right before you and you have to make alternative arrangements. It's no different. Basically these NFL teams experiences or just like the listener's experience with their fancy football trip. But the stakes are higher in the NFL, then your fancy football, drip. But but it's the same concepts. And if you draft this go on with your graph is going really, well, then there was a guy that you were considering you know, you had five guys that you would have taken say with your second round pick and. And you got to your one of the five was still there. You took him. Maybe he was the third best guy. You wanted at that spot. And then all of a sudden you're pick comes around again in the third round. You're saying, whoa. I mean, the guy we would also take in is still there. Let's say that's then you start then you start thinking about going up. And you know, it's that's when it's really fallen well for you. When you when you get a guy the next round that you would you're considering taking in the in the previous round we spend so much time talking about the first round is washing more of the work in rounds. Two through seven probably around four five six and seven because you're trying to your now that many more pool of players that may be potentially fit in that spot or you may be looking for more guys that might potentially fall down the board to you. Yeah. But it's it's a it's a lot of work. And it the the main thing is that you're you keep your focus, and you keep your your intensity going all three days. You know? There's there's an there's all kind of. I mean intense preparation that goes into that that first day that first round. And then the nights over, you know, you it all kind of just go to sleep. And then you gotta get back up the next day and go I mean, this is game day again, you know, and and keep the intensity right through right through the end of the draft. And then right into the free agent. Acquisitions as well. But the yeah, I mean, if you you can't let up at all you can't. And they'll those draft dooms rooms they do. I mean, they they get smaller as the negative into the second and third day. But I mean, the intensity for the the coach and the GM and the owners got a got a really stay intense tire three days I've been into rooms in Baltimore with John and watch them talk. They have like nine ten scouts in the room in the position coaches in the room when they're talking about running back. I mean, they talk about twenty five thirty thirty five guys. They talk about the thirty fifth guy. Just like they do. I you're talking about the number one guy. They want to know every possible thing about him because he's gonna come a time when you're going to have to choose between that running back maybe or defensive tack or an offense of tackle in. I in how you've rated him to how he fits your board. It's a fascinating dynamic for me. And there are so many people who spend their entire year doing this in working on this like the scouts the front office people. I mean, you know, many fans we jump in media. We jump in you know, or the final month, two, months, whatever it may be. But this is some people's lives year round. There are you know, all these scouts who've gone to all these games written up all these reports and gone throw these meetings and to your point coach round seven to me is just as important to them as round one is to us. There's just as much interest for them. And getting this guy that's been on their radar in round seven that there is for us following a guy going around one. And so it just creates a three day football extravaganza. And again, it's it's a hugely important day for all these teams and their futures. There's no question about it. And the best the best out s-, the guys that do do it all year round is is what's your what you want is that they? I put it. They put their stamp on a guy. And it's yeah, we could we've had this discussion of you know, here's here's why they could make it. It would be the reason why they wouldn't make it or the reasons. And now it's time, you know, you gotta make a call which guy one or the other. And you're the good ones. The good ones will say put the fist out on the table. I strongly believe that this is the better player, you know, or the other one that keep giving you. Either one it could be either one on one hand on one other. It's better to be strong and wrong than than writing week. Good point. But a lot different than recruiting. Yeah. Somebody gets somebody that you know, you really want and you champion them. And this is you believe in them and all in, and then we can you know, that's same as recruiting. Yup. That's we want to bring into guys we want. And and the guys that want to be here. I mean, all those all those factors are very important. Let me throw this out. I always worry about coaches, especially college coaches, that's where my entire career was the headache that comes to them on on this particular day. They have a player of the agent has been talking to him for six months about how he knows all these. He's a general managers in the NFL what a high estimation they have of him and how much they love him and how much I love him and how much I'm selling them. And then they guy begins to fall in that first round. And then at age it has to go to that player that he represents and telling exactly why why he might be falling. And he's certainly going to say I missed I missed it. Or he's not going to say these gentlemen. Lied to me. My guess is he's going to say something about well. Someone at at that university, must've must've said something negative about you. And there must be some negative talking coming out at university, certainly isn't anything on my side. So again, the the crap is going up right at the feet of the of the coaching staff in the building. Well, you know, what they'll do the ancient job here? The Asian really in of mine. The most important thing that he does asides from signing a players that he wants is managing that clients that players expectations because if you're telling him how much you love him and how much this team was him and everybody loves him. And all of a sudden, the guy slide some and slides into the next round or a few picks later that thing you haven't done a great job as an agent like there was a player coming through his PIN in the last month that I spoke to and I said, hey, this may work out. Just the way you want. You know, you may go to the exact spot that you hope that you've been old. But also be prepared that if it doesn't go that way, and you slide into say the second round. Well, guess what that means you get a four year contract instead of a five year contract. You get a chance to get the free agency sooner. And you get a chance to show all those thirty two teams passed on you how wrong they were. So I think that an agent's job at this time of the year. Honestly to manage his client and players expectations. Yeah. It's great to love him up and think he's great 'cause they all are. But some of them aren't to go as high and you wanna make sure they're not overly disappointed. If when that happens is that a process that takes place the overtime because you know, when the agents are recruiting the players, I mean, they're telling him, it's the high. It's the, you know, you're going to be a a top five or top ten or a first rounder or I can get you can get you in the second round. It's always the very most. I as the agent will get you, you know, high as high as you can possibly be drafted agents sat doing that though. If you're saying that I mean, I don't know what they are. It's like it's like it's like the it's like when you're you're selling a home, Adam. I see the same. I think the same thing with sports agents as I do with agents that wanna list your house. I've sold a few houses they come in and go, I'm going to be able to get you, you know, this this high price, and here's why listed at this number or do I go with h it over here. Who's like, hey, you better be realistic here? It's downmarket you'd better. You know, you're not getting houses in this neighborhood or only going for this might not be able to get some more much more than that. Which one of those agents are going to hire you know, what? Pushing. I I know that the Asian did over promises is probably the one that's going to get the job. But I just think that you know, if you over promise, and you tell you, but I'm gonna get you into the first round. And then you don't then you haven't done your job, and you're not gonna last there the agent. So again, you know, what players get themselves into the first round of the draft. So the second homes get the price that they want homes now listen agents, maybe when they're sewn house, they take a half million dollar house, and they get in extra forty fifty thousand dollars. Maybe an agent can help you health talk to certain teams. I I don't believe agents determine where players go, I just don't believe that. Okay. I believe the players go exactly where they should go by and large. There are mistakes made and teams making all the time but players go where they're supposed to go. We agree. Totally Jack Harbaugh's. Ohio. I'm singing out of your book as we speak. I think the point Jack Harbaugh was making was that. There are some agents who over promised and then comes time when they whatever reason whatever it worked out when they under deliver. They don't blame themselves. No. Yeah. They blame someone in the building. Adele, saying negative things about is the reason that you're dropping like a rock. Well, again, I don't know what goes on in the conversations between the ages of the players. You guys are more privy that than me. But again, I I guess I would operate on the model of honesty. Look, I think you're a great player. I think you've got a really good chance to be a first round pick. The draft doesn't always go the way we want. We can never predict. But there's a real chance that you've got a chance to go high here. And if you don't then we're gonna make that the best case scenario, anyway, you'll have one less you and your contract, and you're going to go in and kick, but that first few years and get that next contract and crush den. So really, ultimately, I knew you want to be a first we're gonna do everything we can to make first. But if you go second, that's the way it will be and we're gonna make the best of that. We know you have a business week of your year. You've got to get back on television. We appreciate. Harbaugh's podcast. Let's get the let's get the ravens. We haven't talked about the radio here. Let's go here. I'm going to sit here waiting to find out. What's going on? Question. Let's ask quite Chevy Asian sway John's thinking to make sure they that. He takes a certain player 'cause agent one. Oh, he's not. No, no, no concern. What that's not. What would? No. No, no. So what are you? What do you think? What go through our guys? What do you think they'll be drafted into like, I said replying? I couldn't get a team. I think yours. Hi, the giants. I know you say top ten wouldn't surprise if you saw I I don't think he's sliding much beyond fifteen. Okay. I just don't I don't see that Devin Bush Devon Bush goes in the top. I think he goes probably anywhere between say picks ten to fifteen somewhere in that range. Chase renovate goes bottom of the first round on me early to mid second round, David long. Probably maybe a third round pick hit in mid round pick fourth fifth round will make a roster will make an impact who else am I forgetting. Gentry. I haven't heard a lot about him. Now, again, I'll hear more about him probably this week. But I don't I don't have an update for you where he's gonna go who do you think the ravens a pick? You know, what I need to make? My ravens calls. I think that they definitely need interior linemen offensive lineman. I I would expect. And that's where the value would match up to me. I would expect somebody if the values there along the offensive line up front political John and see who you haven't tell me where they're gonna take. He's close. Tell me they tell me who they're gonna take having me here from other teams like, you know, it's just not I can tell you John horrible. Here's John Harbaugh. Now, this is I'm a family member. So John Harbaugh will never so you who is going to draft. He won't even he won't tell you. What position he's gonna draft? But as soon as they as soon as they make their pick and they call then he'll tax me who they're drafting. So I get I get about the nine minutes preview. Are you the same? Like some people in broadcasting. You know, they have that ten second delay. We get the ten the draft. Call is in John's Texan yet the same. He does John this week and tell them that the the agreement we had was for me to do this podcast this week. So he would give me the ravens player in advance that works out adamant, we can look what we could share with you. If we knew it could give it to you. We have no idea. I promise you. How about the lions? We'll see how it works. How about the Detroit Lions of the largest sitting there? Number eight. They got a lot of different ways. They could go right? They've been looking for a tight end forever. They could use more defensive health a pass rusher. And and I mean, there's so many ways they could go here that again, it's hard to think so to me again a comeback. But what's the value? They're like teaching hockey. Maybe the best player decision. And there's a real chance he's going to be. There you go. There you go with a guy like Rashawn Gary who? May be the topper defensive player there. You reaching go for a linebacker there. Maybe sooner than expected, but a play watch. So it. But I asked Russia defensive line. Thank you out of. We've we've we've we've worked very hard. I'm excited to watch you all week. I know you're going to do a fabulous job. We love you. And I'm sure you've got an interview to do. Right. Your second. So with my pleasure views the harmless anytime and next week. I'll have twenty four hours to give you we won't want you then. But interim I gotta go figure. The ravens your take. Thank you. Coming up next Czech talk here and attack each date, the Harbaugh's podcast. This is Jack talk. I wanna listen I want to be better. I want to be the best. I can be welcome to our team. Jack talk as you get older you get to be seventy eight years old. Here's what I find hair grows in places that it hadn't been before. Welcome to hashtag, Jack talk. It's now time for everybody's favorite segment of the week. Jack, talk here and attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast and Jackie. We're actually earlier today. We were talking about it's one of those things that we like to bring up on this show the role transition from being a father to a grandfather and how much more fun and less disciplined related. It might be as the grandfather. And you have a great story for us. The first before we get into the story kind of thing that yesterday, we got together over Jim's house and. Kids have some of the staff came over and they were playing in the pool and they're hunting for Easter eggs. And Jackie and myself down the hill. We we are grandparents and I remember back in Chris line way way back Hamilton park. We would have a family picnic that Godfrey's and the Harbaugh's and then pretty soon anyone could come. I always the Godfried it's in Harbaugh's picnic, but it was open to the town anybody that wanted to come. And I remember so distinctly and I'm reminded of it on days like yesterday. There would be the kids. We were the kids, and we were like some of them are like four years old someone like eight year old some ten years old and running around or playing ball in their climbing on on a big rock. We had there at Hamilton park. And we were kids just having fun. And then there were our moms and dads. They were doing the cooking, and they were taking the tables out of the station wagons. The folding chairs out of the station wagon. They were getting everything set set up under the under the tent they had there, and they were doing the work and to cooking and sweating, and then there were the grandparents, grandma, Fisher and and grandpa Harbaugh. You know, they were old, and they just sat in a share and watched in the shade in the shade. And we all paid homage Thome. You know, we'd come over grandma you. Alright grandpa you all right. And they'd go. We're all right. You know, we're all right. But we everybody had to roll. And then after ten or so years, we had our kids, and they were the kids playing the John Jim and the Jones and Godfrey kids in the neighbors and everybody they were playing, and we were the parents, you know, we were cooking the food and taking the tables out of the off the trucks in the folding chairs and all that and doing that. Now. Kenzi ira. We have moved on cycle of life. We are now into the third group. The grandparent shade. In the shade. And watching I mean, we just watch and the joy that comes from that that I never understood at the time the joy of just watching your grandkids. And watching your children be parents and watch how they handle it. And and for some the the pride you take and them following you a little bit. You know, kind of thing some of things you did when they were little you do. But I'm right. The story. I'm reminded of as I go through that is. Mike single, Terry. Former great linebacker with the bears and played with Jim with his Kogyo bears and a hall of Famer and and just a outstanding football player. He spoke at a clinic this had to be about twenty twenty five years ago. And I heard him speak in and it really caught my attention in the way told the story was he wanted to be a good parent. You know, he was in the parent stage. And he wanted to be a good parent, his wife, and they had four or five youngsters just one eight one year apart, and they would go to visit the grandparents, and they would go and ride in the car, and they're telling her kids, you know, five kids, you know, we're going to see, grandma and grandpa. We don't upset him. You know, do don't do anything. I mean, don't don't upset him to sit still and be quiet and don't do anything if they move just be nice to him and all this. And we're watching if you do anything to upset grandma fall. They that's how they wanted. They didn't want their grandparents to think they were bad. Right. So he would be there, and he'd be all nervous about what was going to happen. And he'd be sitting on the back porch with with grandpa. It was his wife's father, and they'd be on the swing and the kids would come out. And I think you want to do is turn on hose turn on the whole is in there, and they're good clothes and they're squirting each other. And what we don't do that. You'll we're your grandma and Grandpa's got to behave yourself and do that so grandpa watch and just keeps swinging. So then pretty soon it's ice cream time and happened to be chocolate ice cream. So rather than spoon it out of a container? You know, they wanted to reach in and take it in their hands. And then the thing they wanna do is eat it out of their hands. And then pretty soon that chocolate ice cream is all over their lips up in their noses, you know, in their eyes, and then they want to put it on their hair, and they had the ice cream in the hair. He's do that word, grandma and grandpa. They're going to think we're bad. Parents. You know, you've got to behave yourself, and then they wanted to take the ice cream and put it in one of the other brothers or sisters hair. Air and to make it go. Now, they're up again. And they're having a miserable time and finally father law grandpa of my single Terry said, Mike come over here and sit down on the swing with me. But my kids, I don't control my kids. You think I'm the worst? Then. No, I think you're absolutely the greatest dad there ever would just sit down. You don't know the joy moment, the enjoyment that I get just watching your kids in the yard squirting each other with hoses running around laughing hugging each other tackling other sliding on the on the wet grass. This is what I live for and the ice cream is beautiful to see kids being kids. So you, and I are going to sit down here, and we're going to have a nice conversation, and we're gonna look out here. And we're going to enjoy this with a with a smile on their face now again as I say crest line, I've moved through a few stages. I'm at the grandpa stage now yesterday, we had one of those moments. We. We had twenty five thirty kids out there. We had Jim throwing passes to kids coming off the diving port into the water. We had all the different things that you want to happen in Jackie, and I are in the shade. And there wasn't a lot of shade. Now. There's only one one unbrella Jackie IRA under the shade. Watching all these all these fantastic things happen. So as we start summer MacKenzie, and as we start summer IRA are remind all the grand sit back calm, those kids down allow them to let you enjoy the beauty of being a grandparent a grandfather. And a grandmother I agree with everything you just said except substitute vanilla for chocolate. And I have no problem chocolate. Chocolate. And allies cream. No problem chocolate ice cream. That's a little maybe too much for me to get out of their close. But I I totally understand your point in the moment. I get the fund McKinsey the picture will be a lot better if it's chocolate ice. That's very true to Jack have great week. And we'll see you next year. Of course this week, of course, for another edition of attack each day, the Harbaugh's podcast. We want to remind everybody you can contact us on Twitter at AD podcast or by using hashtag, Jack talk. You can follow us babord us. Subscribe to us on podcast, one dot com and the podcast won't go. Forget the rate us on I tunes. 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NFL Combine Results and Impressions | The Dantasy Football Podcast

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NFL Combine Results and Impressions | The Dantasy Football Podcast

"What's up guys? What's this Kelly? Welcome to the Ringer podcast network recently on the winging it. Podcast VINCE CARTER. Anthon Berg sat down with NBA all circle lowry recording artists. Rotimi this week. Twenty Seventeen First Overall Pick Marquel folks joins the show. Just talk about living up to expectations and working his way back from injury in the NBA. Make sure to check out winging it on spotify. Or wherever you get your podcasts Football podcast on the ringer. Nfl show honoring podcast network. My name is Danny. Hi I'm joy does always by my co host. Mike go Danny the hero. We need analysts. We deserved DEB's out. Daddy Kelly. How're you doing? I'm doing really well man. How are you doing? I am fantastic. You sound a little drain yet. It's been a long week here at the NFL combine in Indianapolis. I think I'm losing my voice a little bit but You know we're just gonNA kind of push through it we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA. These players have had a very very tough weekend. You know we're GONNA use that as inspiration and get this. Get this thing done you. You're losing your voice but we're gonNA find it. That's what this is for. We're GONNA we're all GonNa find our voice here in Indianapolis Yeah we're GONNA look at the combine from this week. A little bit of a fantasy lands are GonNa give just your impressions your expertise run through the prospects prospects prospects right. I'm also I'm just losing my words. He Losing Your Voice. I don't have my words anywhere. But yeah who boosted their stock who went up down circle oppressions. Yeah do you have any overall impressions from the COMBI? In general in general do like my honest because his cowardly smart thoughts and stuff like want to know what my actual thought from this week with that. I just can't unseat seed all the scouts for the forty yard dash hand timing. The Forty Yard Dash in the year. Twenty twenty it's the most absurd actual lasers and sensors and slow-motion cameras that capture the forty yard dash to the hundredth of a second. And then there's all these scouts who are like sitting section one fifteen of Lucas oil stadium like hand timing just trying to click it. Click it right on the nose because like what what is the actual explanation. A God's green earth to Behan timing a forty yard dash in twenty. Wh Why do they do that? I tried to think about the reasoning for that. I really don't know like the honest answer is I don't know why other than maybe tradition. I actually answer like the scouts. Who like like I mean? I'm talking but Charlie Castle easier always the guy that cut to like. He's like an timing it and I think the actual answers like he has been doing it for so long that the hand time forties or quicker because you know human beings are not as responsive as lasers so that he they wanna be able to compare apples to apples with like the time he had for like Joe Montana. Nineteen eighty or whatever but the numbers are wrong. That's the whole reason for the hand. Time ones are always faster. The margin for error is seriously massive with hand. Timing like it's actually insane to think that light. Oh dumb like I know what you see. All these scouts doing the insight. So that's why you know. I think it's twenty twenty. No timing twenty twenty. That is absolutely probably one of the biggest like most absurd things about this week is is I mean. Just think about like if you miss it even by like a split second. It's like two tenths of a second for the next time everyone's like why are all these prospects you know it's like a fifty percents hit rate in the first round. Just keep that in mind so anyway. Let's get your actual Nuwan writes. Tk quarterbacks I we have to start with to a an Joe. Borough the two biggest names biggest quarterbacks in this class probably GONNA be the two top quarterbacks taken. I'm almost positive. They'll be the two top quarterbacks taken in los anything crazy happens in the next few weeks in terms of to health but the good news coming out of the Combine. Exactly what everyone was kind of hoping to find out was that to tackle Viola Tunga Viola. His medical came back very positive. According to wrap sheet In rappaport two days of medical testing he received overwhelmingly positive reports on his Dislocated hit from teams who examined him the MRI's were as clean as hoped fractures. Healed hip fracture. And there's no loss of blood flow in other words. There's no were yet that you're having like a Bo. Jackson type injury thing where the blood flow gets affected. And you have to have a career any type thing so you can't run it anymore. So overall to his health has looked good. He seems to be on pace to a full recovery. He said when he was up on the podium that the plan was to get him clearance from his doctors on March ninth. So that's actually just around the corner and he'll be able to start throwing doing all that so we can expect him to probably do some stuff at his pro day. So that's really exciting. It honestly throws some uncertainty into the idea that Joe Borough is the number one lakh either. Lock it number one. I still believe that borough will be number one but a fully healthy tour changes. I think the overall certainty that that's what's going to happen because he's such a good passer if he's healthy. I think he he could challenge for that spot. Well first of all to be clear like the medical stuff is actually the reason. All the teams are here Believe it's actually the reason. The combine was even organized. First place was we have to have our doctors? Look at these guys because we can't trust you know it's just a matter of trust well. It was a logistical thing. Actually like when they. I am the reason. It's called the combine is. I can't remember the two names but basically it was two different like two different groups. Were meeting with prospects. And then they combined them together into the combine so combined. Holy cow really creative Essentially they used. Yeah they're used to be two different groups that would meet with all these prospects eventually. They combine them together so but the basic dumb that I never been out. That was called the COMBI yet. It's kind of funny But yeah it's it's the. The main idea is logistical thing. Like they don't WanNa have to fly guys like three hundred. Plus players come to the combine and teams would not want to fly these guys around and or go see them wherever they are all throughout. You know the spring or whatever all throughout the winter is just a logistical nightmare. So bringing everyone to the Saints. Why that was the idea that medical thing so so getting their medicals is the most important thing because they just wanted a healthy these guys are they want to be able to interview them and then they might as well confirm what they see on tape with some athletic testing to make sure there's no massive discrepancies for the most part. The medical is the most important thing and to is medical. Was the most important medical of the entire process so without exaggeration to his hip examination was the biggest news of the entire combine. I mean yeah I like it when if you talk if you're talking about like potential to be a top three pick I think so 'cause I mean like a lot of the guys the very very top Bro. Didn't work out. He didn't throw he didn't run. So that was a little anticlimactic in that sense. And then chase young same deal. He's just Kinda here to hang out. He's going to be interesting but he's he's already put all the everything he needed to put on tape and he's a great player. He's unquestionably going to be atop top four player. Because there could be three quarterbacks if you have trade ups but he's he's the top non quarterback in this class so I I felt the beginning of the week was about to in Barrow and then the latter half of the week was everyone remembering that. There are quarterbacks other than to a borough so what non Joe Borough to end two quarterbacks really made an impact this yeah so I think just in Herbert of Oregon. He seems to have quite a bit of buzz. Coming out this week and I think there's legitimate buzz that he could be a top five. Pick Kinda guy that teams trade up for to to get him so number one measured out at six thousand six hundred thirty six pounds as prototypical pocket passer size. But he's also very athletic and Defensive Robert Mays the little not say prototypical. Okay six foot. Four maybe would be prototypical. He's six foot six also talk with engine. I don't WanNa just like UN like completely undo all mazes like I swear to God. Tall guys can't pass but like Jon. Gruden just answered this question on hard talks about. Why guys can't do it. Yes he was chastising Mike Lennon. Six eight and like literally as an often tangent. He just looks at Glen. And he's like you can't stare down your receivers your so damn tall. The safety just sees where you're looking. Oh that's why tall guys can't do it. It's really obviously they're looking at is this. Why Short are taking over the. Nfl defense can literally can't see them. I don't WanNa be like yes but that's kind of interesting so anyway. Yes so getting back to Herbert. People were very very impressed. There was like hyped up all over twitter and here at the combine about his throwing at the At the session on Thursday night and so young people were very very excited about her. He didn't he didn't do anything. That makes your Lazlo. Nothing like eye-popping society but he ran a four six eight. He jumped thirty five and a half inches in the vert. Good athleticism kind of distance. Faster Jarvis Landry is yes so there you go. I mean he's obviously an NFL athletic guy and that's important in the NFL. These days bill ability to move Josh Allen. We've seen that with Daniel Jones. You know the ability to kind of get around once. The pocket breaks down and once protection breaks down. If you're able to escape that makes things much more difficult on defense. So does the secondary skill like I guess my question with harbor is is processing decision making actually NFL level. Because there's like one that's just a threshold of can you survive in the NFL? But I think he's probably there but is he a guy that you think actually can thrive and like. Nfl Games beats like his processing. When he's going through his reads and things like that is what you're asking. I don't think that's a different question based on tape only and I do believe that there's flashes of that when I watched tape. We did not get that answer here at the combine so like Oh you're not the passing against the air with saying we didn't really yeah. People were very impressed with He. Kind of just went for he aired it out. He was like being aggressive. The other thing is a lot of people. Think he's a little too passive and quiet like you know people want an Alpha Guy at the quarterback position in the NFL. It's just Kinda what coaches want. It's the leader of the team as the face of the team they want that type of guy and there's questions about whether he's like that whether he's Outgoing enough. He's a little bit introverted. Is what the sort of reporting the report is on him and I read a couple of places that you know. He's passing that test. Flying colors like being outgoing and things like that. So that's something that's look at. It's kind of silly like we're both kinda control like like laughing about that but it's something I think that scouts and coaches actually look for so I think he passed that test to actually think he's introverted but he passed the test. What do you mean like he was? He was he's known as introverted but he was Equity Marina. He was like yeah. He was good here in in Indianapolis. He was leader. He was talking to guys. He was pumping guys up that kind of stuff. That's the kind of stuff they were looking for. People pumped in Jack. Actually noticed he was doing that at the senior bowl too. So he's he's been coached up that this is a very important thing and herbert would fit. Where the draft order seve obviously got the Bengals at one. And then you've got Washington a two and odds arts borough and chase young lions. We'll what happens. But then the giants have four. And then you've got quarterback alley right. You've got the dolphins at five charges at six. You Got Panthers like you've got like three teams and Rhode that seemed to be quarterback market and then so of those three. Forget Free Agency for a second. Where where do you think you would fit? I mean I think. The chargers make the most sense. The panthers are reportedly keeping Cam enrolling with Cam. Which I think is the right thing to do. In the dolphins I think are the are going to go for two though there have been reports during the week and this is all like this happens every single year. There's report contradictory reports about literally everything So there's been there were reports that The dolphins are interested in in Herbert. Just as much as two others reports that the lions are interested in herb or to the two parts of reports one buzzed. Because you mentioned buzz and plays rising and falling. I think the biggest misconception is that players rise and fall on team boards when they kind of don't players are supposed to the extent that people think it's more the public perception right. He's catching up to reality. So it's kind of like right now. It's like the salesman wagging the dog. And then now we're like oh wait. This is what to select Jordan for example quarterback Utah State. That's a guy who no one I don't think many people media insiders or whatever realized how much higher he was on teams boards that until this week. What did you think of Jordan love? I mean same deal like it's very difficult for. I've I believe it's difficult to kind of judge. Anything based on the combine throwing like you said it's against air. I think they should currently silly yes. It's just in terms about honest takeaways. It's supposed to have nuance thoughts. An all I can think about when they run the DASH want they wearing shoulder pads right. I can't believe they don't wear shoulder pads when they're running just really kind of a helmet. Yeah it's unbelievable but sorry can so so. Yeah that I mean that's how I feel about that. Overall though like the impression like the buzz here is that people love him like teams love Jordan. And there's a lot of question marks because he had a bad season last year. He had twenty touchdowns seventeen pigs. He made a lot of bad decisions with where he's going with football but I think overall number one he kind of He had a good answer to the question of you know if he's getting sick of talking about all his interceptions when when he was on the podium he said if I didn't want to talk about seventeen picks I shouldn't thrown them so I think that's a pretty like taking accountability for what happened but there was. There was a lot of circumstances around him last season. You know he had a good. He had a very good twenty. Eighteen season had a lot of buzz coming into this season. And then he lost his coach. there was a whole bunch of turnover on the offense. It was like a whole new offense essentially and he tried. I think he tried to carry that team and did things as you did things. It's kind of like the Philip rivers. He tried to carry the team and it just did not turn out well for him because he was trying to do too much. Maybe he'll fit in the chargers. Exactly that's what I'm saying so I think overall you know he had a very good week. I saw Ian rapoport again. He said the love affair wasn't something I anticipated in terms of. How much team seemed to love love? Espn's Louis Riddick tweeted this the other day. He could go much higher than expected. Based on what I hear. Nc and todd mcshay is a big believer in Jordan love. He actually made a bet with Mel Kiper for five grand. That love will go ahead of Justin. This was my favorite moment of the week. I'm not I'm not messing around dead serious. My favorite moment of this week on an even happen like we're in Indianapolis. This didn't even happen like at a moment. I just saw it on television for Mel Kiper. Todd Shea arguing like first of all Mel Kiper and Todd mcshay just spent too much time together straight up just like because there's like this well we're going to be like in like fifteen hope debating right. There's like Stephen. A Smith and Max Kellerman just go into a production meetings like well. We need to be on opposite sides of that so they just take sides and they argue to create controversy. Mel Kiper and todd. Mcshay don't do that. They come to genuinely different beliefs. They argue like the married couple. Who's been fighting for twenty minutes in a car on their way to the restaurant for like a double date and then they get out of the car and they have to put on a nice face but they're not over it so the the argument bleeds into dinner and it's really instead of dinner live television. So they're sniping at each other. It's unbelievable like like todd. Mcshay is like Jordan loves great. He's going to be the third quarterback off the board instead of just in her entire Mel. Kiper is just disgusted to see and he looks at me dreaming. What's wrong like it's so personal. It's so joyous to just watch them but actually thought it was representative of the larger things. Going say that it's like that's a microcosm for the draft draft twitter draft and I thought it was representative because two things like I think there's a serious chance. Four of the top eight picks or quarterbacks. So I think that's worth remembering every year. We kind of underestimate how many quarterbacks are gonna go in the top eight or so because Jordan love fringe first. Rounder where there isn't really a fringe first. Rounder quarterback when quarterbacks are scarce as they are especially when there's so many teams that need quarterbacks in the top half of the first round so I just love me. Shane Kuyper arguing in public. It's fantastic and this is just the beginning of the whole quarterback conversation because it's been so dominated by two and Borough Okay Herbert Lover in it and then we didn't get into the third tier of kind of like Jake. Frahm Jacob. Easson jalen hurts. We have a lot of. Yeah talking about Jalen hurts either. Who could and again like going back to the fantasy lens on this whole thing. You know. I didn't expect Diego Jones to be a fantasy factor in your one. I didn't expect him do ten. Pick and then. He was with bulk eight in both cases. So I think you know obviously. There's a lot of excitement around borough what he can do in your one how he can change. What are we assume? It's going to be the bengals offense and how he can elevate the guys around him in terms of fantasy. I think we have to start thinking about what guys like Herbert. What and love and potentially hurts could do. I don't think hurts hurts has a longer shot for him to be a starter in early on. But I mean those two guys love and Herbert potentially could start early and be big fancy factors so that that was kind of a takeaway coming out this. This combine is that. There's the the hype is definitely building on these quarterbacks. Like you said there could be four in the top ten. We'LL SPEAK IN HYPE. So this is the deepest receiver class in somewhere between five and twenty five years. Yeah there's a raise you guys receivers that are just inconsideration for the first round. Receivers and consideration for the first three rounds are just all like really the highest in years so Who are the dudes who stood out to you? So Henry Rug from Alabama? Which I this was not a surprise. He's kind of expected to be wanted to break the forty yard dash record so well right that's the takeaway old did not have the fastest running. He was a major failure running a four to seven forty which was best to the group So I think so but I think the thing actually that stood out to me about hundred rugs is not necessarily that. He was as almost as fast as he hoped to be. He was as fast as expected he. He absolutely were joking about the failures thing by Leif to be perfectly clear. I guess he was very very fast. But the other thing. I think that was impressive. In impressive was that he also showed off a lot of explosive athleticism. He had a forty two inch vert a ten foot. Eleven broad jump. That was his vert actually was the highest Forty two inches was the highest of any player to run sub for three. Oh since combine. Data's been tracked can give you a heartache. What's that they need to replace the vert with just dunking on various that idea because there needs to just be like a pass fail of? Can you dunk? Yeah and then there needs to be okay like can you dunk on a nine foot room? Ten Foot rim eleven. You know what I mean just raise of so they can't dunk anymore. That should be the vert. 'cause I hear forty two inch vert means nothing to me. I have no idea what that means. It's funny that you bring that up because I was going to actually throw out this hot take. That is not really hot but it's a lukewarm. Take that I have way more faith in a in a player becoming a good. Nfl player if they can dunk to Chase Klay Pool Notre Dame or forty five point per game tight end because you you gotta be able or sorry receiver that might go to. I think he's it. Sounds like he's GonNa stay receiver at least based on what we're hearing this week We talked about how he gained weight from the senior bowl to the combine. It sounds like maybe that was just. He drank a whole bunch of water on the data that he weighed in. So we don't know if it's actually like this thing that he was planning or if he just had a bunch of wha wait when they wade in or what but I. I don't think you can drink nine pounds of water today. Probably not nine pounds on purpose. I don't think he accidentally gave nine pounds the NFL combine but sort of the buzz coming out of the combine is is teams are asking him to run kind of like a big slot role in and you like its footing hairs because a lot of like move tight ends. We'll be running out of the side anyway. So how do you do in the forty yard dash so huge as clay clay pool blew up like he had one of the best combines in his whole group he had a four four to forty which is absurd for a Guy? Who's two hundred and thirty? I think he's thirty five. Two hundred thirty eight pounds Forty point five inch ver- hit a nineteen inch which is really good to ten. Six broad eighty eighty into wings like. He's huge. He's fast he's explosive. He's the type of guy that can average forty five points a game in high school. I mean just. He was absolutely absurd. What is the Kinda speed mean? In the context of his size I mean and and people are saying doesn't play to that speed which I think is probably true but that said like he looked really good at the senior bowl so to in basically to give context of this whole thing Saw tweet from Forget who it was but anyways wide receivers six foot four and two hundred and thirty five pounds or heavier to run four five or under in the combine ever. There's two players Chase Klay Pool which happened this year. And Calvin Johnson was. So I'm not saying he's Calvin Johnson but that's the type of athlete. He is at his size. That gives you some context into Alvin Johnson and free. She's numbers chase claiborne. Yeah those are the two guys six four two hundred thirty five pounds or heavy so obviously the six foot. Four thing is a little bit of like a Cherry picking staff. It's probably should more just be his weight. But like that gives you an idea of the size weight. Speed like freakiness that he he's absolute like but it's still height weight it's not like they just BMI index. You know what I mean. So anyways he he had an awesome awesome combine. He's probably GONNA end up being drafted earlier than a lot of people are thinking maybe in the third round or something like that and so. I think he comes out as a winner. The other guy that was absolutely massive winter. Actually there's two other guys that were massive massive winters in the combine testing portion. Here Denzel from Baylor I think was kind of the star of the show on Thursday night. He had at four three eight forty. He also ran a six six six three colon which is absolutely ridiculous for a guy. Who's that tall I think? He's like six foot three and a sentence. What does the three cone measure his ability to change direction without gearing down the era agility? Your short area quickness your ability to kind of like I mean like it's the three to me is is sort of like a stand in for route running a little bit because you're able to change direction really quickly without like losing speed so yeah. He had an amazing three count. Thirty eight inch for ten eleven broad. You know he just he absolutely blew it up and I saw on player. Profiler Dot com his closest physical athletic. Comp is none other than Chris Godwin who just had his breakout season to God himself. Yeah so mims. It was a huge huge winner. He's been a massive massive winner in the whole post seasons pre-draft process because he was absolutely the star of the Senior Bowl. He absolutely dominated the senior bowl. He was like making highlight. Reel stuff every single day. So he is going to be a guy that comes out of the combine with and. I don't know if he will be a first rounder. But he's going to be getting some first round buzz if that makes any sense like he's going to be a guy that people start putting in mocks in the first round for the rest of time. Every time we mentioned Denzil. Millions on this podcast. I would like to drop the. This is why I'm hot by mims. This is why. How do you feel that? You'RE GONNA have to ask Craig about that one. I'm guessing he's probably GonNa fix it but we'll see. How critical do it Craig? Craig would never say no to that kind of request okay. So what are far from the combine further receiver group T testing period just Jefferson of Lsu. I think people were not expecting him to run fast. I saw some people speculating. He could come out of. The combine actually is a loser. Like a guy who is like falling down boards and I say that with quotation fake rotation like falling down boards and I thought I think I saw some speculation can be in the forest sixes. Kinda like really hurt his stock because you know speed is important for zero. It's not the only thing but is overall important. He ran a four four three forty three seven point five inch for ten six broad so he's very very athletic and I think overall he just answered questions about speed. He's definitely a speed. He's definitely got the speed he needs at that position So yeah I think he was another guy that just if he didn't solidify himself in the first round he gives himself a great great chance to be a first round pick so jefferson comes out of this. You know absolute freakish production. This season I think he had eighteen touchdowns in the lsu offense. He's just very very good slot. And so I think he's the type of guy that you know. Teams were wavering. On him at the top of their board. I think they won't have to have that anymore so he could be a first round pick which is for people who whether it's fantasy but also people like hoping that you can get a receiver. Make an impact to your one. Which guys do you think? Would most impact an offense as a rookie? Not just like they can become a number one receiver one day but like would change offense not overnight but like in their first season. He's talking about the guys we've just talked about any of them doesn't either so. I think Jerry. Judy and CD lamb standpoint from Alabama. And you know not to get too even to those guys both guys. I think tested really well like answered questions. Both of them have speed like now. There's no question marks really about those guys and so so. I think those guys definitely answered the questions that they could come in and be high impact players year one. I think those guys are at the top of my list And then after that I would probably say rugs and Jefferson. Offer the ability to an in very different ways like rugs is a field stretching type guy. Jefferson is a guy that can make plays out a slot in the red zone So they're both bring a little bit different dynamic but I think both of those guys could also be pretty productive in your one receives. You WanNa hit one other guy actually. I forgot Donovan. People's Jones of Michigan in this guy was a former five star recruit. Who WENT TO MICHIGAN? There was very very high expectations for him. It just never really panned out. The production never happened. He only caught thirty four passes for four hundred thirty eight yards and six touchdowns in eleven games last season. It was just. It just never really worked out for him in in Michigan at Michigan and so he came in though with I. I was talking to some people before the before the combine and he was getting some Second Round Buzz despite the lack of those like terrible terrible production. We like Michigan fans. Were not the Super High Donovan. People Jones's production at Michigan like it's actually almost oddly similar to like Rashawn Gary on defense like like rashawn. Gary was like a a really high prospect for a high school then really talented high prospect entering the NFL but Michigan fans were like chase one of which is the best player in any shape or after peppers like chase winch. Was the Guy Michigan fans like. He's better shot Gary and then it's weirdly like people shows that offensive version of Rashawn. Gary where it's like. All these numbers are so impressive but the people who like wash them or like so unimpressed. How jet that's generalizing. No actually every single Michigan fans now. I'm just Michigan fans that I know Nelson mostly noah the ringer but I guess what I'm really asking is how much you value that in the evaluation process when you looking at somebody to try and get tangible but do you care what fans who are obviously deeply biased but also deeply invested have to think about a player. Because that's actually in the team context like yeah. I was talking to people about actually. I definitely trust like what a team's fans tell me. Dude Fans No. Yeah so like I was talking to Kirschner from From espy nation. And he was he actually tweeted. Today's like so. Which player is it going to be? I think he was talking about grant dope it from like. Is this going to be the guy that all college football fans have to just tell? Nfl Draft Knicks. Like that. He's good. There's like one guy. Every year that that college football player of college football fans know is really good and for whatever reason they are not as high on like draft people's boards or whatever will be the ultimate the ultimate one for that not ultimate because it's lash but the number one one for that star Matthew. Well I was GONNA say Lamar Jackson like casual fan absolutely new. Lamar Jackson was going to be a study. Nfl and there was a lot of NFL people. Can you throw you know what I mean like so anyways? That's kind of getting off the point off the point but so you like people's Jones even though I don't actually personally like him I. The point is that he's probably going to person. But you're saying you're you're I watch this tape. It wasn't very impressive. However and actually we have. We're bearing the lead here. We didn't actually even say what he did. So he had a forty four and a half inch vert which is the second most of all receivers since two thousand six so he's absolutely explosive explosive guy. Four four eight in the forty eleven seven broad which is again really really really good And the other thing to keep in mind here. His tape wasn't good but he did have per. Pf to fourth most uncatchable targets in the class. So there was obviously Patterson. Michigan quarterback sucks. Yeah obviously problems with the quarterback in the in the offense in general so I think he is asleep. I'm not super high on him but he's definitely asleep. He's a guy to keep in mind teams to probably can reach on this guy a little bit based on his physical traits and again. That's kind of like what happens at the combine. You come out and and these guys are just very very fast. Very explosive Y- athletes and I talked about this before teams like to keep an eye on and invest in former five star recruits. That didn't Pan out in College. Because there's you know there's the thought that you can cultivate that talent. Well not just cultivate. The talent coaches believe the problem with every player coached and that everyone can be coached. That other coaches weren't good enough. But I you know this I am which has led to my favorite battles won in nineteen. Which was Sean mcvay taking? Blake bortles. Because you know it's a coaching issue. And then Jon Gruden doubling down and being adding Nathan Peterman. Yeah coaching issue but anyway enough about people's Jones. Let's go on to other people running backs. Yeah the so the running backs were fun again and Jonathan Taylor. We came into the week. Thanks from Wisconsin Wisconsin. Who is potentially going to be a first round or potentially going to be the first running back off the board rushing cultural football history. I mean he's just again. He's if you were building a running back in a lab like the Jonathan Taylor who is what it looks like. He's six foot. He's He's two hundred and twenty eight pounds. I believe like just made a stone. And he ran the forty in four three nine like he's a former sprinter and and you watch like his his His start the way that he was able to get a toss feed almost immediately. And just you know like lightning like he and that's in you see that and his game actually because a lot of times you don't see the guys speed on tape but I definitely think you see Jonathan Taylor speed Onta- because he's he's a home run hitting threat like in the open field and so yeah he hit four nine again in the forty and he actually jumped thirty six inches in the very which is another very good number for a guy his size. So there's two running backs to weigh two hundred twenty five plus and hit a combine forty under four four five since two thousand since two thousand fourteen so over the last seven years six seven years Saquon Barkley and Jonathan Taylor. I've heard of him so he say he's Taylor is absolutely in the saquon stratosphere as an athlete just just to be clear so why so. Why did Saquon go number two and Jonathan Taylor like you go in the top twenty or I? I'm not saying they're the same prospect. I think Saquon was a better prospect safe on he. Well number one. I just think saquon a little bit more physical and 'cause like Taylor's is elusive. He's well bill. He's fast all that stuff but I think Barclay's a little bit more physical as a running back so I don't know if that really matters to teams I think like the I think we are starting to see sort of like the. Nfl teams realized that taking a running back in the top. Ten is just not going to pay off. Maybe but forever reason. There's not there's not top ten hype on Taylor. I think I would be surprised if Taylor won the top ten okay. What other running backs did you end up liking so another guy that actually might be the first running back off the board d'andre swift of Georgia. I think there were some questions about his overall. The name is just on a running backs. Naming swift unbelievable rate is great and he actually proved a you know he lived up to that namesake. Four four eight in the forty. Which is I think you know there was some questions about his. Long speed is overall explosiveness. Like he's he's a all round good running back but I think there were some questions like. Does this guy have enough speed? And he answered that four hundred forty like he looked great. Thirty five and a half inch vert so swift definitely solidified himself a top tier athletes in addition to great tape. So He's another guy that could potentially be the first running back aboard a couple of different sleeper type guys. Camakers afford a state another former five star recruit by the way who ended up at four stages. Ram Haina terrible offensive line. All his whole career didn't have the production that you'd hope from a five star guy but he had flashes where you like. This guy is absolutely elite athlete and he showed that again this this week. Four four seven forty thirty five and a half inch heels really really quick and fast in the in the drills and then we can ask you dumb question on that sure. How do you evaluate a running back? Who has great blocking who might go to the NFL where he might have worse blocking like for example Memphis was? Who's the running back? That had Daryl Huntersville Henderson had like nine yards precarious. He he had more yards before contact and like most like the yards before contact. Which is roughly speaking guards blocked for you. It's not exactly what it is but he basically had more yards blocked forum than most running backs in the country just had period. But how do you apply that to the League where you're not GonNa have great like blocking dominance and antithesis? Like how do you evaluate running back with awful blocking camakers? How do you go about? I think it's not. It's not super easy but I do think you can look at a guy and see how he's able to create for himself. Whether he's you know rank the tackles and able to plow through people allude people in short areas and that you see that on Jonathan's Jonathan Taylor tape like his Wisconsin. Blocking is just better than what can't makers got a Florida state. Exactly that's what I'm wondering if you'd like you see him making guys miss on tape a lot like he has very good feet you know. He's he's got these little subtle almost like slalom like jukes where he's gone through. You know through the defense and making guys miss destroying pursuit angles from guys trying to tackle that kind of thing you know. It's it's a subjective thing. I think a little bit but and like you said you have to account for the blocking but I mean I think both Taylor swift showed the ability to make guys Miss Bill. So that's very very important. Even though both of them probably had way better blocking than can't makers acres is he's probably Darkhorse to you know. Be An early second round. I think he reminded me a little bit of Aaron. Jones in his explosiveness is ability to hit the gas and just create explosive. Plays so you know again he. He didn't have good blocking at at Florida State. So it was kind of. He flew under the radar. A little bit is kind of tough to judge exactly what he is running back but I think he has potential be like a star in the NFL. So He's another guy that I think really stood out how to combine and then. Aj Dylan of Boston. College I think comes in to the draft as like a very very intriguing running back kind of in the Derrick Henry Mall. I don't think he's as good as Derrick Henry but he's huge too Two hundred forty seven pounds. He ran a four five three forty which is absolutely hauling ass at that size and he looks. I mean he's just he's just rocked up while he's a big guy. Walked up yeah. I've never heard that my life. What is rocked up mean? Absolutely regret it. Okay and forty one inch ver- best in the class for a six foot plus two hundred forty seven pound guy one hundred thirty one inch broad best-in-class again so he's just not only is he huge and fast but he's very very explosive with his lower body. So you know. He's not on their Kennedy's level in my opinion. But he's he's also he's he's a back I think in the right system like downhill system could do some damage in the NFL. I could definitely see. Nfl teams like guys. He could be a fancy all. These guys could be huge. Fancy factors near one is a huge factor regardless like if like just say if the titans took this guy and moved on from Henry for instance. There's plenty of options. That could happen but that like it's in the realm of possibility that he could just be like they're immediately back. WanNa get into a protracted debate about the value of can relative to the draft based on. What is making the CAP? Do you want to do that right now? No I just you know what I really WanNa do. I WanNa just just take a moment to talk about MCI. Becton the largest person at the combine who live point fantasy factor. Maybe they could just put. I WANNA come back. Could yes like could he play running back? I mean the way he ran looks like honestly it looks like you see his start in the Ravens niners who are the two teams that gave the fastest average miles per hour cross indiscriminately had his team. Could he run for four yards a carry in the niners? That's my question for you or the Ravens but it. I'd love to see that. I think he probably could like in a very small sample size. I think we need to make tackles eligible passers. He's so athletic. He's he's huge. He's like stern in sixty five pounds and he can move every day of the year. I mean he is just yet. He's one of the most impressive guys would love to see do stuff and offenses Tristan worse from Iowa. Absurdly athletic four eight five in forty. That's faster than a lot of tight ends ran this year. Put Him at tight end man he would just run people over like. Gronk so you know he's just another guy that this is not fancy related but just absolutely like me can be fast related. We got we got to know. Maybe he's like an emergency running back. I mean what? What was the hockey team? That put like there's some Zamboni driver at goalie. The other day I'm GonNa say the KAYAKING's closer to running back then like the the you know that Zimbabwean driver would have been in theory. At least I would have thought so three weeks ago but I don't know Titans Tragedy Sam disappointed. This year's glass. Yeah it's it's very shallow underwhelming class. It's probably not going to have anybody in the top fifty. I would guess so. You know I don't know if any of these guys are GonNa be fantasy relevant in the in the first season a lot of even the top tier like Tujia Hopkinson. Eighth overall pick wasn't very fancy relevant after Haydn's really struggle and then this isn't a good class. So this is a great intro. You'RE GONNA have to have an absolutely perfect landings should who should we care if there's anyone or should we care at all I'll just say this Albert Oak away boom which. I'm sure I'm saying his name wrong so I'm just GonNa Call Him Alvarado With Oklahoma. He ran a four four nine forty which is really really good for his eyes. He's over two hundred fifty pounds so I think he was the main standout in the in the testing portion of it. Obviously the you know the tape matters tape was a little bit underwhelming. This last season But overall like relative especially to the rest of the class he was by far the best athlete So he's a guy to kind of keep in mind one to kind of talk about here as a little bit of a fall in this group. Is Jerry Pinkney at Vanderbilt? He came in two weeks for me as a little bit of a sleeper potential type guy had a very good season in two thousand eighteen. In fact a lot of people were talking about him as a potential top three tight end of the twenty eighteen class but he ended up going back to school just had a bad season. It didn't work out for them there. And then he ran a four nine six almost five seconds flat like just out of 'em faster than that but with the hand time diddy. No I'm kidding I'm just I'd made okay So anyways that's that's just out of the realm of like NFL. Athleticism is just not good if he can improve that is pro day. I think that will help them. Get into like the four eighths and he'll be okay but at that time he might go undrafted. So he's he's the Kinda guy that didn't he just didn't have a good day. We'll see how that translates to his pro day and everything but you kind of take him off your your fantasy radar going forward until he runs on anything like under four hundred. I think at this point. Yeah there's some guys like flying under the radar they can just keep flying. I think that's what I've learned to the tight ends. They can continue to fly under the radar. DoN'T WORRY ABOUT RADAR. Being the tight ends on the twenty twenty class. So yeah that those are kind of the skill position standouts risers and fallers of the group. You know again it doesn't. It's like the combines not the be all and all of everything but it does. Kinda give you an idea. I think I'd mems is the guy that was the manager getting to me this like he. He's Kinda guy that could have the Terry maclaurin type rookie season. And I wouldn't be surprised whatsoever. So he's the kind of guy though so give me a theme for the combine this year. Would you learn humane theme big idea? I think the biggest thing I notice is the prime time. Testing is terrible. Book is such a Cliche that media members. Like just bitch about everything but it was just. It was just not helpful to have everything in your life personally. Yeah well I mean none of the teams or players like either. There must be knowing because it's like it starts at prime time Monday night football but like money to football notoriously your Sunday night football players to sleep in. Because you know you can't not trying to have your physical performance like twelve hours after you wake up but these guys have to be doing interviews. They're doing stuff their team. So it's like the you know they haven't been getting that much sleep so like waking up six seven whatever time they have to work wake up in the morning and then you're running your forty nine o'clock at night and it's like that doesn't that doesn't really make sense. Here's here's the here's a legitimate gripe I have with this You know apart from the fact that it made our lives a little bit. More of a hassle during the week is like the part of the reason that you're doing. The combine is to compare these guys to historically like to twenty years of historical data to see where they stack up compared to where we time. God Yeah and so like you know it gives you a baseline it gives you ability baseline to figure out if these guys have you know the speed and athleticism plan. Nfl to be the impact players in the NFL. And when you're doing that you WANNA have as few like extenuating variables as possible to eliminate as many as much error as possible and then moving it to the time of day. You know like we were talking about. You're talking about where these guys are doing it late in the day. It's completely different dynamic than the last twenty years of data so if you're going against the data that we have like stacked and to me it's just silly it's stupid and and the numbers actually showed in a lot of cases like Like players were slower in multiple drills. The season like overall like the overall class with slower. So I don't know if that means anything. The one thing they could do is going forward agents of big name players could just tell their guys not tests and so like the. Nfl could have an issue with these. Like primetime things because a lot of the top stars are just not testing at Conway so in the nineteen eighties like ESPN like Cohn ESPN. Chet Simmons approached. Pete Rozelle and Commissioner of the NFL. And so we want to put the draft on TV and he was like. Why would you WanNa do that now? It's like Chris Berman. Who's an anchor at the time explained it would be like people thought it was like the NFL draft was one step above reading the Yellow Pages? And then forty years later the draft to such a behemoth. They're moving at city to city. Dra millions of visitors. Yeah Vegas might have one of the biggest weekends just pop like traffic wise ever. Nashville had one of the biggest last year that they now have the combine in primetime even though the athletic testing is a tertiary part of what is ultimately a logistical medical conference right. I mean it's probably not going to change like if there's an ability to drum up more interest like you're saying like it's going to say but I do think that was a factor that teams will have to kind of keep in mind in players left. Keep in mind like it could change the you know the overall baseline numbers of everything and because you're adding in that extra factor. Maybe that's why Henry Rugs failed. It's too bad all right decay. Yeah this was a pleasure and an honor event. Yeah we had a blast is a lot of fun. It's nice to just get away from Craig for a little bit too. Who's really thrilling? To just be free of him and his clutches so thank you to decay. Thank you for the space from Craig. Thank you to everyone for listening. Thanks to Indianapolis you'll see next week.

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"Mike ward stadium seat finding game tickets hard trae, but being there so much better than not being there are replaced my regular seat with the stadium seat to try and recreate that stadium atmosphere. I appreciate the effort, but I got a better idea use vivid seats to find tickets to the game. They make finding the seats that you want quick and easy. Sounds like getting tickets at vivid seats would have been the easier option. It always is. It's Dorian Mel on ESPN radio the ESPN app and Sirius XM channel eighty Nick cattles infra Dory. This morning it's presented by progressive insurance. And Mel it's time it is time for our hot list. Hot list. Right. Of course, you know, what we're going to talk about here. Right. We're going to talk about the NFL draft. And Mel we're gonna run down our biggest draft busts in the history of the NFL draft. And we'll start with your third guy who you got. I'm not going guys failed due to injury Nick St. that men's even RG three that still playing with the Baltimore Ravens. I'm gonna go though to running back Trent Richardson at three the easiest transition should be running back to the NFL immediate stardom as a rookie, Trent Richardson, they trade up a spot to get gave up some choices to Cleveland Browns did in the two thousand twelve draft at Rancho luck an orgy three went one two. Here's Trent Richardson going to be that big time running back. Well, you're later is traded to the Colt for a first round pick. He doesn't get it done with the colts there. Let let go his wave goes Oakland. Baltimore briefly af af this year. So Trent Richardson to me, the number three on the board bust of all time now before we get into my bust. Mel your overall thoughts about the run. Back position. Are you a guy that says, hey, listen, stay away from the running back position in the first round. Or do you think it depends on the talent? And if you get Todd Gurley you gotta Todd Gurley. Yes, you go by the radio the rating is high enough where that running back is in line with the pit when the picks made in your coach as panning that table your offensive coordinators. We got to have this guy is long as the grade is in line in that top ten to fifteen you take the guy if it's a late one type situation. I'd wait till the second round. I'm not big on first round running backs less. The grade is elite and Trent Richardson case it was and I had no problem with that pick. And the thing is Trent Richardson, he was a bus with two teams. Number one. He was a bust in Cleveland. A first round pick to get him in a trade after bust that in Cleveland. So that was kind of a crazy situation. I don't know you'll you'll see that often and the history the NFL guy doesn't get it done early in his career at running back with two different teams on the honest here. Honesty, sometimes not the best policy, but I didn't mind the trade by indie when they made it and men egg on my face, my third guy. Mel is jamarcus Russell Oakland Raiders number one pick in two thousand seven from LSU seven and eighteen record throughout his career. And of course, when we look at completion percentage now Mel we want around sixty five percent in the league. You look at Russell's. It was fifty two percent was the completion percentage. Eighteen touchdowns twenty three picks. He was done after the two thousand nine season in maybe mail. The worst of all his contract. Sixty one million dollars thirty two million dollars guaranteed. One of those contracts that made the NFL change the system when you take about draft slotting in the payments at. Get now with the guaranteed money much much different world. And I think many guys can thank jamarcus Russell for that. No doubt about it. And that so this is the hot list Dari and Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty I am Nick cattles infidelity this morning. All right Melkite for junior. Who's your second? Biggest NFL draft bust. You just the audit with jamarcus Russell. He's my number two, Trent Richardson three jamarcus Russell two. He basically proved that pro days mean nothing. Roadway ever ever seen was Mark. Russell L amazing is DaMarcus Russell. And look what happened. So pro days for quarterbacks and sent me nothing. You mentioned all the different things about your Marcus Russell, very accurately through as drafted in two thousand seven number one. He throws his last pass on a regular season game. Just two years later. That's enough said right there. Yeah. Mel just us. Because I I mean, obviously, I don't remember what you thought of Russell back in two thousand seven it's now twelve years ago your thoughts on Russell when he was entering into the draft where you big on him. Or did you see the red flags not as big as some? But I thought he was certainly warranted. Being a high first round pick. I didn't have leader great as some do. And that's what you kinda hang your ad on when guys the bust. Nick, you say, well, I wasn't slump a full. The case of jamarcus Russell. Yeah. I don't think people expect them to be as as bad as he was. I said you start you come into the league number one in two thousand seven and two years later. You're throwing your last pass. That's not expected Nasr pretty crazy. We're all looking at Josh Rosen right now, very unexpected. Where a guy that was drafted in the top ten just a year ago might be on the trading block that doesn't usually happen especially when the guy's a quarterback. And we're taught about Russell two years later out of the league, my number two guy male, and this is going to go against what you said about the injuries. Charles Rogers from the lions number two pick in two thousand three from Michigan state. He did have some collarbone issues, but he was released prior to six fifteen games for Detroit thirty six catches four hundred forty yards in only four touchdowns your thoughts. Charles Rogers, Mel kiper junior with the lions retracting receive receiver. They hit on Calvin Johnson. Mike Williams who I liked this appointed as well. But he didn't go into top five. But I think you'll get Charles Rogers. No question when you look back Calvin Johnson kind of saved the lions. He would have been a boss that would have been like, are you kidding me? But the mega Tron Calvin Johnson. I think prevented more talk about some of those disappointing receivers at went a few years earlier is Dr Email on ESPN radio that smell. I am not Dari Nick cattles in for Dr this morning talking about the three biggest draft busts on the hot list. All right. It's time L Kuyper junior. I'm sure everybody in their cars just waiting for this your biggest draft bust in the history of the NFL draft say Tony Mandarich, and I don't agree. I he obviously situation at guard where he moved from tackle guard within the some good years after busting out in Green Bay. I made a comment that even though had any leak great on Mandarich. I thought Troy Aikman should have been that pick. Great was almost in line there. I thought Aikman lot of people that Mandra should have been number one. But I agreed with the eight men picks. At least I felt good about that take solace in that Bandra shouldn't play to the level expected. He's a serviceable career Ryan leaf is the clear cut number one. There were those and I hadn't right up there. I thought he'd be leap had manning ahead of. Slough take solace in that. At least one fifty percent of the lake thought leaf was better than manning. See the take what you can to make yourself feel good here neck, but I think we looked talking about the second pick in the draft. You're talking about two to nineteen ninety eight is last pass thrown in a regular season game came just three years later. He's at forty eight four for his career, fourteen touchdowns thirty six picks. A lot of people had him rated ahead of Peyton Manning. That's speaks volumes. How much bust? He was Ryan leaf clear cut number one. He says, okay. Pick me not in pick your right? I pick Peyton Manning as the guy who should go number didn't even understand about that Ryan leaf the number one bus of all time. I mean, come on. Of course, he is. Now, I'm with you Ryan leaf is number one never won more than three games in a season. And his last season is sack percentage was twelve percent. I mean, you look up and down the board across everything you can look at statistically guy was a mess in never worked out. Ryan leaf my number one biggest draft bust to go along with Mel kiper junior as well. I. I don't think that's much of a shock. That is the hot list Dari and Mel ESPN radio on the cattles in for Dari while we have a minute or two here. Mel I did want to ask you about a guy who a lot of people are talking about in this draft. And it's Jeffrey Simmons, what do you think has likely range is going to be I ranges the twenties in that thirty two spot. At the end of the first thing I'd say team could also always trade in the going to trade in for players often ACL and has the off the field issue now who could take him. I think you look at teams in the late first around the Los Angeles chargers I could afford the maybe roll the dice there. Take him. Let him have a medical redshirt your they were soft in the belly that defense. They couldn't handle the inside running game. They have the edge rushers the LA chargers or would be a possibility a team like that Nick that can afford Philadelphia Eagles. And Todd mcshay mentioned the eagles this week. You know, big time organising seems that could afford like say medically redshirt player for your knowing if he's one hundred percent the following year. They're getting a top five talent in this year's draft and figure okay, we can afford teams making early cannot afford it. So I think maybe late first round at worst Nick early second round. Now, I was gonna ask you where you thought he would have been drafted if not for the ACL you think possibly top five the off the field issue is significant. Right. And that that alone could have put him in the twenties you compound that with the ACO and not being able to play this year. Then all of a sudden you're talking late one early to mid two. So I think that the I still think he goes late. I I don't think he goes top ten to fifteen because of the off the field situation. But now I've had team say no you can't take him in the first round because the field issue. And the fact he's not gonna play other say the talent for a team. Like, I mentioned the eagles. The chargers would win out. They know how okay in two years. We get a guy that we would have a top five to ten pick the really acquire. You can reconcile it that way. So I think it'll be very interesting to see if he gets into the late. I. Where he drops into the early second. Yeah. Another team that you might think would take a risk like that as the patriots. But I don't know what the holes that they have on their roster right now, especially offensively. And they got burned by Dominic easily a few years back. I don't know if they would pull the trigger on Simmons at thirty two Dari and Mel ESPN radio cattles in for Dari brought to you by ageless male tonight, the ridiculously fast acting nitric oxide booster that won't go on notice. Rush to WalMart and get ageless male tonight. Hey, you have draft questions Mel has answers. It's time for ask. Mel call us at eight say ESPN, eight seven to nine three seven seven six. It's Dorian Mel cattles in for Dari on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Ask the question call now, I can't believe I'm talking about any draft question you want now. Call Doria bell now. Eight say ESPN ask male next as we worked these above and Godden, Catholic Catholic without stubbing it he notice it moves like not at all it's inanimate and utterly without brain function. But despite that when it got Nomi his about how gyco not only saves people money, but also gives them access to licensed agents twenty four seven online and over the phone. It's clear to them. 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Let's start in the great state of Maine Mel kiper with Steve. Hello, Steve you're on. Yes. Thank you very much. Now, I'd like to ask you a question about the patriots in the honest opinion. Because I think you just about the brightest guy there is when it comes to football and the draft as it should the patriot stand Pat at three at thirty or should they move up and try to take a defensive lineman or and offense of line film? Fill the holes they lost in free agency. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate that. It really depends upon who they feel is worthy of moving up the get if a guy that they at ten twelve when their board fifteen on their board is still there in the twenties, and they feel the need to go up and get that guy. Great. But again, the patriots of always wanted to move down some as well kinda stockpile picks. They're pretty good position this year to do a lot of damage day. Three four six four seven. I got three threes in two to either. One of those picks will be a quarterback whether Sharon stood him allburn. Whether it's yell guy like tire. Jackson from buffalo with developmental prospect. Whether it's Ryan Finley from NC state. I gotta believe a quarterback will be one of those picks one on either day two days three, but probably to. All right. We just had a patriots question, which means, of course, up next we go to New York Bob in New York. The question for you. I know you have the giants marked out with a quarterback in the first round. What if they went defense in the first rounds, they need edged rushers. We know that they also need a up, right? Tackle, right. Maybe if they went to at Oliver of you know, on defensive line, maybe Montas wet. It's if these guys are valuable than the white or whatever, but then at seventeen Brian burns, a nice pick. And also, Andre Dillard, what are they gonna? Maybe they waited till the second round. Yeah. They could. I mean think about where that we're there picking thirty seven in the second round that that could be right around where Brett farve went. We talked about a little quarterbacks boomer assize and go through the years of the second. Yeah. Andy Dalton you think about drew Brees. They could I just said they gotta get a quarterback. I think after day one end because you keep hearing Daniel Jones, but if they like stem, if they like Finley you take the guy you'll love all say is Dave Gettleman is going to have gonna love a quarterback this year. He's gonna take a quarterback. It would shot me if he didn't Dr in Mel ESPN radio no Dari net. Cattles in for Dari noca- today. This is asked male eight seven to nine thirty seven seventy six Pete and Florida's up next. Hey, man. I love your been a longtime fan I richly from Cleveland. But this is Pete down in Naples, Florida. But my thought to you is my question, you is the Browns a long-term would be better on with the ova Oto Beckham junior trade or drafting receiver like decay Metcalf. What do you think we'll hear thousand percent better getting Odell Beckham junior? 'cause there's no receivers in this. I think worthy of being a first round pick because of marquees Brown's injury. Had it not been for that. He would have decay medcalf has to prove is not one dimensional. So yeah. Your your hotel Beckham's healthy and out there for a full season blank maximum level. It's mild between Odell Beckham and top receiver in this draft. Yeah, it's OB Javy. Greg New York's up next. Guys statement call I had a question regarding Jacksonville. I think they're an intriguing team. I think they're draft at seven way higher than they should be. I think they're attended elite teams or a piece away. My question is who would you take Mel versus who should the Jaguars take at seven? Yeah. I guess should think trading down is always an option there. I'm big on that if they stay there. TJ Hopkinson tight end Iowa Juwan Taylor the right tackle from Florida. That's what they need to help. L foles. You've got Robinsons Gambro. It's coming off the injury left. Tackle yet Taylor or you take tight end Hopkinson who can block and catch would help the running game. It would help out obviously, Nick foles. So I think trading or one of those two players Stephen Indiana. What's up Steve? For taking my call. Good morning. They mail. Dave Blau the quarterback out of Purdue. I know his skill set might be not what some of the other quarterbacks that his football IQ and his character is off the chart does he standard chance to have a pro career, you sure a couple of guys that are a little underrated. They're probably late round or priority free agents that I can play I'll give you a Blau definitely as a guy late round or priority free agent. Tough gritty love what he did last year, we expect that he had a really good seats. He's one of those guys up career backup can get it done. And I think Jacob theme and the safety. I think is late round priority. Free agent can get it done. So the boiler makers will have a lot of guys obviously drafted early and did. But I think the Blau and theme guys I would want on my football team. Let's go to Mike in North Carolina. What's up, Mike? Hey, Jim, thanks for taking my call regarding the Carolina Panthers. I'm just curious. I'm hoping that they will take an edge rusher or offensive lineman. I, but you think that there's a possibility at some point they could maybe find a good quarterback in the late round. Like, a will Greer maybe the fourth or fifth because I'm worried about Cam Newton's health with the shoulder, and he's going to be thirty this year. I guess I'm kinda curious about the succession play. Yeah. We had David Newton on the NFL nation reporter for the Carolina Panthers. And he said quarterback, I think you look at guys down the line Clayton Thorson northwestern Tyree Jackson, buffalo, I think our guys think about at that particular point where you look at the long term guys the guys that could be the heir-apparent possibly after take them early in the draft. So I think it seems like they will target a quarterback at some point Dr Email on ESPN radio and ESPN app. Cattles in for Dr Shannon, Texas, you're up next. Yeah. Hi. Close brands again. Pink. But in the second position, do you say and they going after. That person being the segmented, I guess a safety corner. And a guy like is one Thornhill from Virginia can play both quarter and safety. He had a forty four vertical. We ran the low four fours testing off the charts. John Dorsey, I think we'll go with the strength of the draft in strength is corner safety carry Willis from Michigan state's and other safety with a lot of ability. But I think that combo guide. It can play both roles is why Thornhill I think is so attractive at that point buyer North Carolina quick what's up Byron? How you doing good? Off and fan haven't had a quarterback since Marino kind of living on the yesteryear. What's the chances of if the cardinals draft Murray, maybe the dolphins making a play for Rosen? And what do we have to trade is that trade even possible? Well, you train them at first round pick trade thirteen for Rosen. And I think that's the option you have draft Rosen hope to drew locks there. If that's who they like. But some way a quarterback could be in the mix this year you keep hearing about to us. I said before you can't worry two years from now get worried about Trevor Lawrence three years from now, you gotta try to fix this thing. Now, that's ask mail. We'll do this again at eleven thirty. So stay tuned for that. You can also catch all three days of the NFL draft starting Thursday at six o'clock on ESPN radio some help for Sam Donal, the new toy for Greg Williams defense or Trey down what will the jets due at three NFL nation takeover continues next with rich SIMEONI, you wouldn't settle for a two star spin class a personal trainer, would you? So why settle for Bank that treat you just like another number ally news? You deserve better and their mission is to be just that and with ally Bank. You'll get interest rates up to twenty times the national average you can chat with real people twenty four seven and they won't nut make you with hidden fees allies team actually cares about doing right by you and your money so go to A L L Y dot com for more ally. Bank member FDIC, it is Doreen Mela ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Also, Sirius XM channel eighty Dari out this morning that kettles in for Dari all guests appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. But before we get to our guests this moment coming up in Richardson Meany and fell nation jets reporter, I it's the NFL play the NBA sorry playoff doubleheader. Tune in tomorrow as the Pacers host the Celtics followed by a warriors clippers presented by indeed coverage begins at twelve thirty eastern on most ESPN radio stations. Of course, I would say NFL playoffs because we spent a lot of time talking about the NFL draft. And we'll do more of that. At right now. Rich Meany joining us the jets reporter for NFL nation ESPN is on the shell Pennzoil performance line rich, thanks for the time. Let me first ask you something that has nothing to do with the draft. Adam gates, what's the early reception been to the new head coach? Once he got past that first press conference, which was kind of infamous and it's over. You know, you don't want over to a course and your listeners as well. But positive reception among Clair's, you know, have talked to if you players over the last few days, and I think the words that, you know, come up a lot or just energy confidence. You know, it's a departure from the previous coach Todd Bowles with more of a late back kind kinda coach Adam brings a little, you know, swagger, some passion to the job that we talking he told the players in the first meeting. Look, I'm here for one reason. And that's thrown the patriots and win the division and players left here that stuff so so so far so good for Adam gates. Of course, the other big addition made for the team during the off season was lady on bell, the free agent signing. Have you heard anything about bell is he in shape or people concerned with that your thoughts on what you've heard throughout the building regarding lady on? Yeah. Well, he's been working out with them. And it's interesting. Of course, it's his first off season like two years because less held out the whole year and the year before he was on the franchise, tag Ralph. So he's reactivating himself with the team football. And he looks to be in terrific shape, when he signed he said he was about two thirty which is a few pounds over his playing weight. There was some crazy stories in the off season that he had ballooned to to sixty. I've seen pictures of him at the jets were. So he does not he's not two hundred sixty pounds. The actually looks thin, and you know, all things have been positive about him. He seems really excited to be in New York and starting his career different chapter in his career Daren male ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty Dari out cattles in this morning, speaking with rich Amini NFL nation jets reporter rich are they happy with what they have at the skill. Physicians right now. Definitely happy at running back. They also added time on Gumri last week, which I thought was a really good under the radar pickup. Just because he's kind of a poor man's lady on because he can do so many things he he was a wide receiver. So you can split him out as receiver and do different things. So I think he and bell will be a really good one two punch the backfield. You know at right there have they say, they're happy wide receiver. I think they still need that quote, unquote, number one white out. They have some twos threes, but not number one. And you know, they like their young tight end. Chris Herndon is showed a lot of promise last year. I think they need more depth at that position. And wouldn't be shocked if they draft one at some point speaking of the draft, rich, let's go down the list here. Top three needs for this team going into Thursday night. Well, it's amazing that they have this many need because they spent one hundred twenty five. Free agency, which by the way, unprecedented in the NFL recent history. And so yes, they do have some very pronounced need. They need an edge rusher an outside linebacker in their three four defense. They need a starting cornerback. You know, that's kind of an important position as well. And they need a center, you know, they they've been going through centers the last couple of years never been able to replace Nick mangles. So that is a need as well. A lot of needs for team, but only six draft picks, which is why sure Mike Naan, and I know Mike McCarron is burning up the phone lines. Trying to make deal to move down and get extra picks Daren male ESPN radio ESPN app, Nick cattles in for Dari noca- Melkite on ESPN television right now. So I'm catching up with rich Meany NFL nation jets reporter, just two more for your rich. You just mentioned I've read all over the place that the jets are determined their dying to move down from three. Do you think they do that? You know, I tend to think not the reason is because they don't have a set around pick. You know, we all know what happened, you know, your ago, they traded it to the colts in a great trade. I mean at enable them to move up draft Sam darnold. So you know, I thought it was a good trade at the time. But you know, now, you kinda miss it. So I write as one scout from another team told me, Mike macaque and GM is on a mission to recoup that second round pick. I tend to doubt it though, because it's going to take a team that is just desperate for a quarterback in willing to give up a lot to move up kind of like the jets where last year, and I just don't know if that team is gonna is out there right now because the quarterback crop isn't as good as last year's. And so I think ultimately the jets will probably have to make picket three last one four year rich. So they stay at three. They have to make a pick. Let's name three guys here. Okay. Quinton Williams, Nick Bosa. Josh. Alan which one do they go with? Well, I think both of them will be gone to to San Francisco at two I think if it were a choice between Quinton and Josh they would take Quinton personally. I would go with Josh just because of the need at edge rusher, but Quinton by most accounts as a higher rated player the wildcard here is at Oliver from Houston nose tackle, his name has come up in recent days. I think Greg Williams are defensive coordinators been pounding the table for him. Just because I think Williams coast Aaron Donald earlier in his career. And I think he sees Oliver as perhaps the next Erin down. And so I think that's where that's coming from. But I think that would be a little bit of a reach at three I think either Williams or Alan would be the best pick for the jets. Name is rich Somany NFL nation jets reporter for us here at ESPN rich. Thanks for the time much. Appreciate it. Take care of the things as a reminder, you can catch all three days of the NFL draft. Starting third. Thursday at six PM eastern standard time on ESPN radio. Of course, the NFL draft is a gigantic story. The other big story in sports happening right now the NBA playoffs and three games happened last night. Toronto beat Orlando ninety eight ninety three the big story in that game was PASCAL Seok them yet thirty eleven and four Leonard was not great last night. But the question for Toronto going into this postseason was do they have that consistent? Second guy. Kyle Lowry has not been that guy this year. He hasn't really been asked to be the score as he once was Siaka m-. He's telling all of us that yes, he is ready to be that number two guy. He was fantastic last night. Orlando the old cliche. The old adage NBA fans Orlando thirteen of forty four from three point land. You live by the three you die by the three Orlando dead last night. Boston beats Indiana in Indiana one. Oh, four ninety six to sell. Now lead that series three games to zippo game four is tomorrow afternoon. Jalen Brown was the story of this game last night. He finished with twenty three and seven, but don't get it. Twisted because we always talk about offense of numbers pay attention to what Brown has done defensively in this series. He's been fantastic for the most part that was the case again last night. So Brown was excellent for the Celtics kyri Irving not his best night. Hit a tough baseline jump shot late in the fourth quarter that helped them win the game. But he finished with nineteen and five in what has hurt this Indiana team all series long hurt them again last night. They've had some really bad quarters in this series. And last night. It was no different twelve points in the third quarter for the Pacers. They just don't have that go-to guy. Tyreek Evans helped carry them in the first half. He could not do the same in the second half. They fell apart in that third. Celtics end up doing just enough in the fourth to win that game. Again, take a three zero series lead. And then you had Oklahoma City getting a big win against Portland in. Okay. See last night once one eighty one oh eight Portland now has a two games to one lead in that series. Russell Westbrook hasn't had his greatest season, especially shooting the basketball. He had a tough series the other day game too. He was five of twenty from the floor. Had six turnovers was a minus twenty seven when he was out there last night. Got the job done thirty three and eleven Dame Lillard had twenty five points in the third quarter yet that's obnoxious, but he only had three points in the fourth quarter. And this game was chippy. There's a lot of talk between Dame in Westbrook. Westbrook was seen rocking the baby. After a jump shot. Talking some smack to Lillard and Lillard was doing the whole. Hey tap. The wrist watch out. It's my time to take over and the big story at the end of the game was that Paul George decided to reverse dunk as time expired when the Oklahoma City thunder were up by ten plus points that did not make Portland hah. Happy. So some chippiness in that series, which I think is never a bad thing. Mel's list of most overrated and underrated prospects in this year's draft class. It's Dari and Mel on ESPN radio cattles in for Dari and the ESPN app slam. Maybe it took what do you do in warm and up to the game? Like all the games, I want people can't get to it helps bring stadium to wherever what you. What? Come on Vick. Save it for the air. We've got a game and check out vivid seats. It's the easiest way to get all the tickets to the games you want to go to vivid seats for the win baby. Daren Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty knit kettles in for dowry noca- on this Saturday morning. You can tweet us on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at Mel kiper ESPN and also at Nick see radio you can catch all three days of the NFL draft starting Thursday at six PM eastern time on ESPN radio. And of course, ESPN radio is presented by progressive insurance, quote by and save on home insurance with progressives. New homequote explorer only at progressive dot com. All right. Mel let's have some fun figured we take a look at some of the guys on your list as we get ready for Thursday night overrated. Underrated. Let's start with some over aided guys. I'm gonna go to to right. The top became medcalf at peak as a great kid. We were with them this week. But when you say overrated if he goes, and it's hop say fifteen then he's overrated if he gets into late. I really second changes. But if he goes, according to some projections, then I think that's high for a one dimensional receiver injuries two of the last three years sixty seven career receptions, I'll ago the K medcalf as if he goes that high. I think when you look at another guy over eight miles boykin Notre Dame. I love Notre Dame a big Notre Dame fan, but you're talking late. I from is boykin he's gonna get a little more physicality to his game. He's got a maximize all that building. Oh had the one season neck. So he's kind of a one hit wonder, but he's got a thought of talent. But if he's got still put it all together. I think late I really second would be just a little high for miles boykin. Yeah. Decay Metcalf is my guy I think again overrated. It depends to me. It's it's more overdrafted. Is he going to be a guy like you said in the top ten top fifteen you've seen some mocks that put him in the top ten which I think is a little bit crazy has some tough times running routes from time to time. He sat issues with drops. He's at issues obviously with some injuries. And I'm just wondering if the team. Is gonna look at him almost as the workout warrior. I think we see less of that now because a lot of people have learned their lessons by going out with the workout warriors. But late first round early second round, decay Metcalf would make a little bit more sense. I just don't think he's a top fifteen guy anymore over two guys male. I think when you look at your Mel Deane the cornerback at Auburn talk about size. He ran four three. He's a free. There's no question freakish talent I thought in coverage. He wasn't as impressive as the physical traits would lead you to believe you should be a, but some is gonna take him. I think somebody could take him second round third round because of the talent that he possesses. And and the fact that he tested off the charts and also David Montgomery running back. I was state. I watch him that he makes yards after contact. He productive player for the most part. But he's not a guy was going to be a breakaway threat. He doesn't have a lot of initial quickness a great lot of wiggle. So I just wonder if he'll run into some resistance NFL front seven. Once he's at the pro level and David Montgomery could be a second or third round picks round or two higher. I think he would come off the significant number running backs at have a little bit more explosiveness and change direction and ability than David Montgomery does we'll see out goes. Some teams are very high on them. I'm not quite as high. It seems like a lot of people would say that this running back class is in great compared to prior classes. How do you feel about the class? I look at this class say in the second third fourth round if you can get a mile Sanders. Penn State in round to view can get a guy like Devon single Terry Florida Atlantic and round three or four rock Armstead temple who's got to improve a receiver. But he's a hard nose runner if you can get him in the fourth fifth round, Dexter Williams. Notre Dame's and other one I like west hills slippery rock. I it's going to be running back. We're going to be talking about in forty five years. Knicks maybe even two to three years several running backs ago in that third the sixth around area that end up playing pretty good football. He's Melkite prom net. Cattles in Dari noca-, ESPN radio ES. CNN app. Sirius XM channel eighty. All. Right. We covered the overrated. Guys. How about underrated? I'm gonna go. Joel Williams offensive tackle, Alabama PSA. Can't be a left tackle hip. You're right. We'll guess what? His arm length is better than Andre Dillard. Everybody's loves the pass blocker and thinks he's going to Houston Texans. I think Joe Williams when you can play left tackle right tackle guard center. Nick that's versatility unmatching this notion he got dominated by furrow in the in the Clemson game. The playoff is not accurate. He got beaten for one play got a little off balance outside that he held his own Lonnie Johnson junior cornerback out of Kentucky. Great length had a heck of a year. What defense may drew lock look like a fifth round pick not a top fifteen pick. It was. It was the Kentucky defense Lonnie Johnson was a key guy there. So I love Joan Williams Lonnie Johnson. Also like a couple other safety's more Kice Blair Utah. Very unrated. Love is Tate. Mike Edwards safety Kentucky. Great leader. As those for the football, Ray, mention one four nil the safety corner from Virginia. I think a safety group is really strong. I think you're gonna see twenty defensive backs off the board in the first two rounds while I look at a guy. I don't know how you feel about them. But chase win some people having going in the third round. And I just love guys like win of elite production at a big time school. He showed some great athleticism. I like one of its a lot. I think that if you get him in the in the early to mid third round, I love that pick. What do you think about would've it? I might go higher than that, Nick. And I think you're right along with him being underrated. I think he could go second round something early third third like you were just talking. I'd take him in a second. I agree the production the athletic ability on is something where you look at him closing off the edge close quickly got great technique. You know, I think when you look at Rashawn, Gary. That's why Gary's been think criticize some saying, hey, it's not coaching because win which was coached by the same staff. It's not schemes he played the same scheme. So why is chased winna vich out producing Rashawn, Gary. Why jumping out at you every Saturday and Gary's not. So again, I think that's why Rashawn Gary is viewed as somewhat of a boomer bus tight. All right. Let's talk linebackers here. I have a question for you. Devon, white Devon Bush. How do they stack up white slightly ahead of Bush? But guess what? When the big board there right in there that one's four one's right there at six seven. So Devon white is unique in terms of what he can do. He's a former running back runs. Four four and flies through the football. Devon Bush flies for the football rand similar forty times, Devon white. And he loves the game. And he can be a leader your defense. Both these kids have great character. And I I'll tell you what Devon white the Tampa Bay looks like a great fit. They need a a face of their defeat. Offense. Bruce Arians hopes the face of the offense is James Winston today's Winstons gonna make or break his career this season under the quarterback was Bor Bruce Arians. I think when you look at at Devon Bush. If Denver doesn't take a quarterback drew lock at ten. I think Devin Bush would be somebody to look at for Vic Fangio appeals another defensive player drafted Bradley bless, your why not Devin Bush the best player there, which I think he will base Cincinnati at eleven will be another great spot for Devon Bush. I don't think it gets passed the Bengals at eleven. Let me ask you use up the Broncos at ten, and obviously they bring in flacco during the offseason with the trade drew locks been talked about to me, he's kind of a wild card. You see him going in mocks as late as like thirty degree bay. Some people say he might have a shot at going to Denver at ten or Washington at fifteen. Do you think it'd be a great fit lock in Denver? I do. There was talk to John Elway liked them. John Elway probably does because he has a rocket arm. John elway. Arguably the greatest of all time was John Elway. And on the greatest quarterbacks of all time was John Elway drew lock. I'm not as excited the Benham's. I thought I would be had said two years ago. Even last year he could be in the mix to be a top five pick and still may. Well, be in the top ten overall at worse than the top fifteen. There was some games where you can blame it on Emmanuel hall wide receiver being injured. His key guy was out for some games. The offensive line was bad. But yeah, you looked overmatched against Kentucky. Kentucky defense got the best of him. But to his credit, and this is the game that made me say, maybe I should be as high on him as I was was the Florida game that following week. He goes down to Gainesville. He was oh and night against top twenty five teams, and he lit them up seventy five percent completions three touchdowns. No picks. And he looked like a big time quarterback. I think if he is a top fifteen picnic top ten pick. It's a lot has to do with that Florida game. That was very was special. And he carried that momentum through the rest of the year. I think drew lock does not get past the top ten or fifteen got about ten seconds. Here. 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RTCD #162: Week 5 Preview

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

33:41 min | 3 years ago

RTCD #162: Week 5 Preview

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And listen to rust and Philadelphia goes film junkie Francey breakdown the top college prospects on another tasty edition of the college draft? Yes, it is daddy soda time, and it is week five of the college football season. Holy smokes. Can't believe we're here. He's saying the video scouting guru for the Philadelphia Eagles. Even people that aren't eagles fans love seeing his film breakdowns of the eagles stuff on Twitter and elsewhere at f Duffy. Three had a couple of people tweet me that after I gave France, Twitter shout out for his excellent breakdowns of some of the stuff in that eagles colts game, Dallas gathered blocking. I like it Fran, showcasing the Dallas Godart blocking. I'm Ross Tucker, former NFL, offensive lineman. I love the NFL also love college football though, and I like getting a chance to check out tape. And evaluate players. I've got some tidbits from this week. I wanna share as well as we move along. Speaking of moving along, if you haven't already moved along over to bed online dot AG you need to. That's the presenting sponsor of the college draft podcast. Just use the promo code podcast one to receive a fifty percent sign up bonus today, bet online dot AG, your online sportsbook experts. All right, Fran. So we had some big matchups to talk about from last week. We're going to go over the Oregon Stanford game for sure, especially the quarterbacks in that game. There are some other matchups I wanna to get into Oklahoma army a little bit. I watched Toledo Nevada. I was at that game. We gotta talk a little bit more to about some of these quarterbacks drew lock Clayton Thorson, and then we got some real deal games coming up. I mean, Stanford Notre Dame, Penn State, Ohio State. So this is going to be an awesome off. Awesome show. I guess, though frame we should probably start with that Oregon Stanford game. And in particular Justin Herbert because I watched most of that and everybody was really going crazy with some of the tools he was showcasing in that game. Yeah, I agree. I mean, we saw everything from this kid early on. We saw arm strength. We saw accuracy athleticism. Most importantly, in my mind Ross, and we talked about this back in the off season with this kid watching him off two thousand seventeen was his willingness to make tight, throws whether those are throws down the scene NFL style passes on third down in breaking routes against men coverage. Just those tight window throws. He was willing to pull the trigger and often he was on target on those throws. It was a lot of fun to watch. This kid works threw for three hundred forty. Six yards in the game looks like a potential I quarterback off the board type. Then he throws for incompletions in overtime, including that game ending interception down in the end zone a disappointing end for him in this game as Oregon blows that seventeen point lead in the fourth quarter. But overall, man, I, I was really impressed with Justin Herber. This was the first time getting a chance to watch him this year. And I thought he looked really, really good for the most part in this game, especially over the first three quarters. A couple of quick takeaways from. The game as well. I thought this Oregon defense was flying around. I mean he got Troy diet linebacker, Google Ahmadi at safety. That kid was all over the place. Just Justin Holland's off one inch. He made some plays in the backfield Jalen jokes on the other plate made some plays in the run game in this game. You know, it was a fun group. They helped hold Bryce lodges eighty nine yards on the night and a good chunk of that. Honestly came on that twenty two yard touchdown late in the game. So you know, love was bothered up for most of this game. We talked about it a little bit last week. I thought, you know, I really do think that people are are going to question what level of prospect Bryce love is is, you know, is going to be talked about like how Christian McCaffrey was and be in that top twenty top fifteen type of discussion or as you're going to be more of a day to early day three types selection. The more time that goes on. I think it'll be more of the latter, but obviously a lot of football left to be played. The guy in the backfield with love though the quarterback k. j. Kostenko he looked good. This is the first time I really kind of watched him. Live and got a sense of how you can play kid'll boys, especially late in the game and a hostile environment. It was loud out there and Austin are in autzen stadium made some great throws down the stretch. He's he's got a lot of faith in those towering pass catchers out in the perimeter. You've got Kate and Smith who last week I was talking with Tony Pauline over on the journey of the draft podcast. And Tony said, he's hearing cadence. Smith could be the first tight end off the board. Whenever he enters the league Smith looked good to me. He went six for ninety five yards in the game. The other titan Parkinson he caught the game winning touchdown in overtime. Then you've got the Richard junior wide receiver. JJ Sega, Whiteside caught two touchdowns in the game. The first one was just kind of him in a nutshell, just back shoulder, throw a contested catch. He's not a phenomenal athlete, but are single Whiteside of the big body kid who knows how to place to place to a size. He's outstanding. At the catch point. He's a solid route runner and a great blocker on the outside. There's a lot to like with him overall. This really, really, really fun game to watch. A ton of next level talent on both sides of the football. I agree friend. I thought Herbert now I haven't really studied, stood them in lock and he's other guys, but I was blown away with Herbert's armed talent with how fast he is. They always wanna see the guy seal the deal and win and I get that. But I was real. He stood out to me. I was really impressed by the one Oregon nose tackle what's that? Kid's name, sophomore. Fifth. There was like thirty four fifty four. He kept thirty four thirty four. Yep. Thirty four was impressive to me. I forget his name and then man. I mean how do you not go to Stanford if you're a tight end? I mean Cain Smith was awesome and then Parkinson he looks like he's about six eight makes it incredible catch. This was an awesome. Awesome game. I'm with you on that. Those are some of the guys that some of the same guys to use out to me and I I saw Brady Quinn. I tweeted something about, you know, the giants lusted for Justin with Herbert that night and and Brady Quinn said, hey, what what about what about coastal? Because he's done some good things too. He doesn't. Wow. You? I feel like as much physically. But he was productive. I mean, a lot of it's just throwing though to the biggest receiver I've ever seen and the two gigantic tight ends. It's almost hard to like to really evaluate him. He's got these guys with such gigantic, you know, catch radius is in size, and obviously it's an offense that funneled through the run game, you know, regardless of how much success Bryce love is had this year or not. This is a run I football team. So with that, you're going to get a lot of single high looks. And with that, you're going to get some more defined throws. So Dan, that's the nature of their playoff at the way, a lot of teams in the NFL playoff. So don't give you that's not necessarily negative against Kostelic, but I agree. That's eight, certainly takes away a little bit from what we're able to see. At least from him early on. You know, I think he's the only a redshirt sophomore right now. So certainly a guy that as he continues to get more comfortable in than offense will be given more keys to the to the entire scheme. David Shaw has talked about that in the past with some of the other quarterbacks that. They've had that, you know, it's not like you're Andrew luck and you can just come in and just commanded the offense. Immediately. We're going to give you a little bit piece by piece and every off-season. You'll get a little bit more autonomy. I think we'll see that with Caja hostile. I don't know that he's going to be a guy that is gonna come out this year. It's funny. You mentioned that with Brady Quinn quintal have a chance to see him up close this week against his Irish, but that'll be a big game staffer nerve him yet. What about Missouri and Georgia obviously drew lock going against the talented Georgia BULLDOGS? What did you see there? Yeah, I watched a lot of that game because I was really just excited seizure lock. And really we talked about that match up last week after our podcast. I actually went and I re washed lock in their win over Purdue back in week three. We'll talk about that in a bit, but from this game in particular, you know, the numbers didn't look great with lock. The production wasn't outstanding. No touchdowns he went twenty three or forty eight hundred twenty one yards, but I thought he was solid in the game. Overall. I don't think that he was hurt necessarily by this. Performance obviously a very talented, Georgia defense. I didn't think his skill position town really necessarily came to play. He had some injuries on the outside. There was some turnovers. The protection wasn't always great. He made some nice throws early. I'm excited to really dig into the film and really see how he looked on the all twenty two, but I still like lock despite the numbers, not looking great against a strong opponent. The one thing I did see that I didn't like in this game against that opponent was that he was backpedaling a little too much in the pocket under pressure. That was something that just popped up on TV that I didn't like saw that no few few of those plays. And then just another quarterback that I've gotten a chance studied mood was Clayton Thorson against, Akron know, went back and I watched that game Clayton Thorson. This was the first exposure that I've ever had to him not a bad player arm town overall is probably a little bit below average from what I saw, at least from the reliability and then also Bob place. But I think he can get a little bit better in both areas. But I think overall, when you look at Clayton Thorson, you look at his body. Of work. And I was this is only just based off the one game that I've studied so far still have a lot of work left to do with them. I think that this is a kid you can work with his poison, the pocket. He's got a quick release. He had some crucial turnovers in this game. Akron ended up coming back. It was their first win over a big ten team in like ninety eight years or something. But you know the the turnovers were being, I know that decision making has been a bit of a bugaboo for him over the course of his career. So that's something monitor as they continue to study them. But overall, I was pretty excited to watch while I was pretty impressed with what I saw Clayton Thorson. I do think he's NFL quarterback. Probably more of a backup though, instead of a starter. You know what's not a backup dose AKIs this college football season. Remember that a little exaggeration makes every story more interest Sante like dose ecu's. The only beer, my former coach, Steve Spurrier, stop for every time. The crowd carried him off the field. Don't take it from us. Take it from the head ball coach himself who wants told her reporter. I love winning, but nothing hits the spot like a post game dose equities while sitting atop a fan caravan, I'd say giddy up, you wild fans take me away. That dose equities isn't going to drink itself. Amen. Coach, Amen. Most importantly, remember to keep it in terra Santa this college football season with those equities the official beer sponsor of the college football, playoff. Treat those ecu's responsibly twenty eighteen imported by survey says Mexicanos White Plains, New York friend. I got a chance to check out a couple of other games. So as as watching Stanford Oregon on my computer, I pulled up Oklahoma against army and first of all, Cuyler Murray might be the fastest quarterback I've ever seen. I mean, he's up there with like Michael Vick and RG three and Lamar Jackson. He is electric, but he was a top ten pick in the baseball draft. So I don't think he's going to be even Ken change that this point and I don't know what kind of pro prospect he would be, but they of a sophomore linebacker. Friend number nine, Kenneth Murray, yes. At twenty eight tackles. It's like the most anybody's head and like one hundred years. He had twenty eight tackles now, part of that's the nature of armies offense or whatever. And they. They possess -able, but twenty eight tackles. I mean, that's a season for some people. It was. He is very athletic, very physical. I don't think he's draft eligible. I might be wrong. He might maybe he's a redshirt, sophomore. We'll have to check on that, but that's a name to keep money. I mean, because he's big athletic, he was flying around the field making plays. He's a guy that jumped out to me for sure for Oklahoma. And then in Toledo, Nevada game, just some guys to keep in mind, right. So for Nevada, they've got a senior outside linebacker name. Maliki read who's really athletic, really explosive. He's played d. n. previously, he looks to me like he'll be really good on special teams and then they'll have to figure out. So he was dean before he has playing off the ball now in a three down front. So I don't. You know, people might look at him. A little under size is three, four outside backer, and he hasn't really done enough to be a four, three off the ball backer. So kind of your classic tweeter. But I feel like he rushes the passer will enough, and we'll be good enough on special teams that I bet he makes a roster or at least a practice squad for Toledo. They had two guys. They have a senior corner from Burlington, New Jersey, south jersey who sent on Nevada. I talked to them the night before the game. I talked to both these kids actually Dr in he's almost six one. He ran a four, four one in the spring for the scouts, very physical, and he's a nice player. He's he and he's got the physical traits they're looking for, and then they get a junior receiver. Now this never happened in the MAC and that a guy leave squirrelly. But David receiver in the anti Johnson from Tampa, he lit up the Miami hurricanes before. He had a kick return touchdown against Nevada last year. He was first team, all MAC, punt returner Franny had four punt returns to of me up to the house. He was first team all MAC with four total returns the whole year. He might be the rare MAC guy that even considers leaving early just because he's got tremendous, tremendous change of direction. So those are, I don't know if you've had a chance to check out any of those guys, but you you probably definitely haven't Johnson since he did not even, you know, he says he still has more eligibility as a MAC guy, but those are the three guys that sound to me from the game for sure. So Kenneth Murray is a true, sophomore yet it was a fourteen game starters, a true freshman last year is a big, twelve defensive freshman of the year. So you might be onto something there? I haven't studied him. I've I have heard of him and he's on my radar, but Twenty-eight taxes. Ridiculous. I haven't watched Johnson yet from Toledo. I know they've, they've got some other kids too. I know. Cody Thompson is another senior receiver there. I know he was banged up in years previous and I think he was given like an extra year of eligibility, but I'd have watched me green. I watched him over the summer and basically what happen there was that they change defensive schemes. They went from a four, three, two, three, three stat, and he's not a fit as a defensive end in three, three stack, he's gonna play more over the tackle. It's a three or four Diene. So he was listed as a starter last year in two thousand seventeen. But he kind of rotated in off the bench and we, oh came in and like he started the first snap and then came off and only played in sub packages at the end. And he said, well, we gotta find ways to get him on the field because this senior leader like, what are we going to do? So they moved into linebacker. I still have enlisted with my edge guys because I do think he's got a pretty good knack for being able to rush the quarterback. And so I'm glad you got a chance to see him to me. I look, he's six one. He's two hundred forty pounds. He's got short arms. He's gonna get knocked for all that. Like he's gone. Gonna be a day three pick because of that. But I think he's pretty athletic. He's pretty bendy, inflexible. He's a high motor kid. He's got a solid idea of what he's doing with his hands of the pass rusher like he'll mix in number of different moves. He knows how to counter once he's blocked. He never gets to deepen the backfield. He's able to keep his eyes on the quarterback at all times. Just a very smart pass rusher. I think he's got a shot still off the show. We'll we'll see. I do agree. He's definitely in that tweet or category, one other guy. And I mentioned earlier that I watched drew lock against Purdue and look. This was a crazy back and forth game went to overtime. I went in and I washed lock. It was my first exposure to him from this year. He was my number one, senior quarterback entering the season. My questions about drew lock where I thought that his accuracy and ball placement, intermediate areas where a bit of a question Mark, he missed a lot of throws on some deep in breakers and things like that arm, talent law arm velocity. That's not that wasn't. Question. It was more just his ball placement, but the one thing I noticed especially on throws to his right, he tended to lock up his off leg his left leg as he would step in throw and his lead shoulder that left shoulder would open up too quickly to the point where I wrote down. He was almost square to his target as he was releasing. The football just looked a little bit wonky and it was mostly on throws to his right. I watched that game against Purdue, and that was that issue was near nearly gone. I didn't see it at all in that game, and he's through a lot in the game, and his place was much much better. And so that was something I was. I was really glad to see. I know his numbers before this George game this past week, we talked about it earlier warrant. Outstanding are were outstanding. Before this game, I'm excited to continue to watch more of drew, lack of only watch the one game so far on film, and then watch the game on TV this past Saturday. But I'm excited to see more drew lock to see him improve their new coaching staff. You know, Dirk Dooley's there as the offense coordinator. Now that may have been a point of emphasis. For him this offseason, but it seemed like they got that mechanical flock corrected. Our friend kind of like we did last week, let's bounce around the country a little bit and focus on some of the top individual matchups. How about some quarterbacks going against some good defenses? Yeah, we talked about Clayton Thorson from northwestern earlier. He's got a big test against this Michigan chaos defense from Dom Brown and defensive coordinator. They've got talented all three levels of the defense, namely up on that defensive line. And you know, you've got Rashawn Gary on one side, you've got chased win avenged on the other. I just watched both those guys against Notre Dame back in week one. I watched that game on film. I really see the upside here with with Rashawn Gary. I mean, and he he has. He did look like he's gotten a little bit better from what I saw as a sophomore. So enough to the point where I think that you know this first round stuff with him is is definitely a little bit more on board with it as opposed to where I was this point a couple of months ago, just a freak show athlete making play sideline to sideline. He's just naturally powerful. Just a very gifted Claire needs to get needs to refine his pass, rush plant a little bit, but big test there for Clayton Thorson ole miss. They're going up against LSU this week. It's going to be a fun game, a lot of skill town for all miss and that quarterback Jordan, Tom, who is a senior. I mentioned the off season the way he throws the ball reminds me of Jimmy Garoppolo just in terms of his build and his release. So that's going to be a good test for him against LSU. And then small school ranks. We got North Dakota state and South Dakota state. Both teams have senior quarterbacks. Both teams have quarterbacks to their on the radar in terms of draft the eligibility eastern. Tick is the guy that some people really like. And then Taryn Christian is the quarterback for South Dakota state. So people like him and athletic kid can run around a little bit eastern stick. I, the arm isn't great, but this is a kid who got commanded that offense. It's a pro style scheme so that that'll be a good match up there with those two quarterbacks going head to head as well. And we'll see some of those guys. They can keep the ball when they pull the ball on the read AP Sion speaking of keeps friend. I don't know if I've told you this, but yes, I use keeps us stuff to try to keep my hair. I've, in fact been taking both the pill and the topical thing that you rub on your bulbs on top of your head for over five years, which is why I was so pumped. When like six months ago, I found out about keeps which allows you to actually get both of these just sent you in the mail. I mean, you fill out a form online. It takes less than five, Mitch answer a couple of questions. 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What about running backs? Linebackers this week, Fran? Yeah, we we mentioned the Stanford Notre Dame game, and this is a big one for that area of the field. You've got Bryce love. It's from Stanford going up against this Notre Dame front, seven, namely. The middle linebacker tavon Coney guy who has just been all over the field for the Irish sideline to sideline guy very instinctive against the run. His first step is almost always good is able to get downhill and make plays the point of attack, and he's just a ferocious tackler. So Bryce love. This'll be another big test here for him in this Stanford offensive line going up against Notre Dame. And then in the SEC we've got Georgia and Tennessee, which is always a fun game that run game for Georgia's just lethal man. I mean, we haven't done a full study at of the Andrea swift, the true sophomore from Georgia. But this this is a kid who's really dynamic at the ball in his hands is a local kid from here in Philadelphia. So I am kind of a wear of the skill set. He brings to the table and you watch Georgia. You can see just how explosive he is as a ballcarrier going up against this Tennessee defense. And obviously it's a new scheme to bring it in, and it was an ugly game for the volunteers this past week, but they've been a linebackers Richard germ. You're Darren Kirkland, junior, who I liked. Him a lot going into last season based off twenty sixteen. He tore his right meniscus and training camp in last August. So missed all of last year and came back this year. And I watched one game from early on in the season, and I was a little bit worried because I didn't see him quite to the level of athleticism that I saw the year before, but this is an instinctive kid just like Coney a ferocious tackler. He's good at the point of its act. I hope that we can kind of see those movements kills. The game I watch was West. Virginia was very early in the season, so hopefully was still kind of making his way back and get a little bit more comfortable. But this is the kid who's I liked on film a lot before the injury. What about wide receivers against tight ends DB's this week. Yep. So we've got South Carolina and Kentucky, and we know about the South Carolina receiving core deebo. Samuel is the senior kind of do it all versatile weapon lineup inside outside great after the catch very competitive kid. And then Brian Edwards is an outside player for them a junior. He can go up and win at the catch point. He's very good in those contested throws, but also very good route runner as well. I really liked what I've seen from both kids. I've done the deep dive on Samuel really just kind of going peripheral on Brian Edwards by like what I've seen from the junior, they're going up against this Kentucky team that just continues to stack winds, man. I mean, I picked in the win a few weeks ago in Florida. I didn't think they would beat Mississippi State. I thought it'd be a close game, but I thought the bulldog's come out and top last week and the Wildcats proved me wrong. This is a good defense. They're legit. They've got town at all three levels. You look in that secondary Derek eighty is a senior Lonnie Johnson is another senior corner. Mike Evans is a senior free safety. All those guys are going to be charged with trying to lock down the South Carolina passing game. And that's Jake Bentley of quarterback and then Samuel and Edwards on the outside. So babies guy, I think is the best of the group. I think he projects as a future starter potentially on the outside. Mike Edwards, I think, does have some starting potential as well a little bit undersized, but to be a starter. But I think he can fit as apoe safety in the NFL. So that'll be a fun match up going back to ole miss and LSU AJ Brown decay, Metcalf DaMarcus lodge. I mean, this is receiving core is absolutely loaded with that trio Metcalf lines up on the outside to the left AJ Brown, only slot player for all miss. And then DeMarcus lodge lines up on the outside to the right. So I don't think we're gonna see AJ Brown greedy Williams because they don't really move greedy Williams into the slot, at least from what we've seen so far from LSU, but greed Williams, we'll have his hands full. I mean, decay. Metcalf. He's got his flaws. He's not a great runner right now, but this kid is slick with his releases off, press cover. Age, and he's an explosive athlete and a large, powerful, man. I mean, he's got a ridiculous physical skill set. So this'll be a fun match up between decay Metcalf and greedy Williams on the outside. We might see a greedy against the Marcus largest well who can also run, but this is going to be a really fun matchup on the perimeter with greeny Williams against that duo of receivers there with all miss. And then speaking of ole miss one guy who used to be their last year, transferred out is van Jefferson. He's at Florida. Now. Son of former NFL receiver and current receivers coach, at least for the Jaguars of Shawn Jefferson. Van Jefferson is a pretty talented kid. You could lineup inside and outside. I did that for ole miss last year. He's got some suddenness twelve. He's a pretty crafty route runner going up against Mississippi State this week, and they've got a talented secondary upperclassmen Laden secondary Jamal Peters at corner. Jonathan Abram at free safety Clark is another safety there. So that's an interesting battle there between Florida and Mississippi State as well. Oh line versus d. line. What are some of the ones you're watching there? Yeah, we're gonna go back to the Florida Mississippi State game. This is what big matchup in the week and and look Montas sweat pass. Rusher from Mississippi State has been on a tear. He's been very productive the season for the BULLDOGS. He's going up against a Florida, oh line that I can. I, honestly, I expect him to continue to feast a little bit in Martinez Ivy is the senior left tackle their wholesale of Montas wet sweat is so explosive off the ball. I expect that sweat will be able to get his share of pressures on the quarterback in this game is the big test here for Martez Ivy. And as he tries to prove that you can play tackle at the NFL level, you go to Penn State, Ohio State look, higher states. That'd be down Nick Bosa. He's officially off to this game reports are he won't be ready until November with that core muscle injury. But Ohio State still goes deep on the defensive line. So big test here for Penn State. We know we've talked about Ryan Bates in the past and the rest of that Nittany lions all line. I expect to see a lot from those guys. You go to Kansas state playing against Texas this week, Texas. Look, they've they've shown up a little bit over the last few weeks. The one defensive end they've got Charles omega who lines up at left defensive end against the right tackle. And that's where Dalton reisner is from Kansas state. You and I both watched reisner in the summer and we weren't really wild by them. But a lot of people still seem to talk about him is he's going to be a day one or day to pick. I'm not sure that I'm there, but you look at reisner against a meta who that is. Interesting. Matchup between two seniors to experience guys who big long defensive in more of a run defender in the pass rusher, but good match up there and then Boston College taking on temple this week, Boston College was ranked going into last week. They go on the road to Purdue and they lose. So they're not ranked anymore. But look, this is a team that wants to run the football. Chris Lindstrom is one of the offensive lineman for them. He's lined up at both guard and tackle over the course of his career on the right side, going up against temple and this. Defense has been a little little bit leaky over the course of the first four games, but they've had two big wins in the last two weeks. They're coming off a week where they get a little bit of rest. They played last Thursday night against Tulsa at home. Michael dog. The is a guy that I want you to watch for this temple defense lines up mostly against the right tackle and right guard kind of d. n. d. tackle hybrid for the owls. He was on Bruce feldmans freak list in the off season then got put on the senior bowl watchlist. So whenever guys get put on both of those lists, I tend to pay attention. I went back and watchdog and he's not let a kid hi motor kid. I'm excited to watch him in this game, and, and you mentioned right? You said you're going Marshall western Kentucky this week, right? So just a couple of names for you to keep an eye on Tiree Brady. The wide receiver from Marshall is a guy. I've really like he's six threes, two hundred one pounds x. receiver number eight, hard to miss this kid. A Miami transfer reminds me and ways of an AL's Sean, Jeffrey type kid. I mean, he's really good at the catch point, very solid hands, Ryan. Is a defensive lineman, as well. For Marshall, you can keep an eye on in that game. Love it. Thank you, friend. I appreciate them just digging into my prep for that game now very much looking forward to Penn State Ohio State as well. Penn State. This is the best offensive line they've had in a long time and we'll see how they hold up against Ohio states deadline, especially without Bosa who I wouldn't expect to come back at all this year. Just knowing the way his dad and that family roles, they understand the businesses. Dad was the first round pick they get it and they know how much money he's about to get. And I don't think they want to take any chance of risking it now. 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When I ask you first about what happened in Oakland. Your thoughts on Jon Gruden and Mike Mayock sending the scouts home yesterday afternoon. Nothing unusual lot of scouts a lot of teams get sent home. There's been talk and speculation of changing staff along there are many rooms that don't allow their scouts in the war room. I guess I missed it. But I don't see anything. That's all that shocking about Adam my. We need a surprise. We need a shocking top ten pick. We are. At odds, eighty talks and maybe at Oliver to the jets at three her Daniel Jones quarterback through maybe the giants at six what is that out of the realm of possibility out of or is that real? Mill. I just think that in a draft where you've got mixed opinions on quarterbacks on all the quarterbacks that anything's possible. And we're gonna see a lot of jockeying here. You know that the jets have a for sale sign on the number three pick and would be happy to go back. And maybe that's because of the fact that they think that they could get Oliver a little further back then they could somewhere else. And so again, you're gonna see look how many teams have been linked to quarterbacks. We know that the Redskins need a quarterback. We know the giants would like to draft a quarterback we know that there are other quarterback possibilities whether or not they go with that or not with basically Denver with Jacksonville with Miami. I mean, there are a lot of quarterback questions here as you know, quarterback storylines, always drive the draft. Right. So it's no different this year. And I think. Because of these wide range of opinions from these teams on these players like there are people that love Dwayne Haskins. There are people that don't get people that love Daniel jobs, people that don't it will love drew lock people. Don't we go on and on with every quarterback here with creates a great kwela mystery with that said, can you say with a high degree of confidence that Dwayne Haskins is not going to be a New York giant at six. I cannot say that. Now, look, everybody's got an opinion. And that's what I love about Thursday night. Mel because it's the truth night. It's true serum night. We we can all speculate in wondering guests up until then and then we find out what's real and what's not on Thursday night. And I'm not saying that three incidence is going to be a giant. I again, I've heard mixed things. And I I'm not ruling him out. I'll just say that right? There was some people ruled them out. I don't think that that's. The wise course of action, I don't know whether they like Haskins or Jones or lock. But I think everybody agrees that the giants are likely to come out of the first round of this draft with a quarterback. He's Adam Schefter. He's with us here on Dr Ian, Mel ESPN radio the espionage, Sirius XM channel eighty Nick cattles in for Dari nowkhah on this Saturday morning all guests appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. Adam when you look at the patriots pretty interesting they have twelve picks in this upcoming draft. Of course, a lot of people wondering is this the year they make a move at quarterback. They're looking, but they're not a team that's gonna force something, and it will depend on the value. That's there if the right guy of these quarterbacks that we're talking about all of a sudden slipped to thirty two and they felt like we liked this guy. Yeah. They would go ahead and do that. But it's got to be the right match. So last year they took at link in round seven, and I think they liked him. But again, it will be where the value meets up on their board. And that's impossible for us to predict right now when they've got picked thirty two and they've got twelve picks in all they've got his many picks right now in the dreaded anybody. So if they wanted they could go manipulate the board and move up go get Mon or they could sit back and wait and take another quarterback somewhere else. So I I mean, I won't be surprised if they come out of this trip with a quarterback. But I don't think they're rushing to take a quarterback in this draft. Adam TIMMY, draft nugget, that's in that brain of yours somewhere floating around that is. A little bit of a surprise a little bit of a curve ball that really nobody really is talked enough about what what is draft related that that you could bring to the table this morning five days before the draft the really enlighten lightness. Well, there's a few things I think that again, we've got a wide range of opinions on these quarterbacks. I think that you've got a lot of teams that would love to move out of the top ten that are having a hard time finding trae partners to move back. If we're gonna go individualized. I wouldn't be shocked if rocky Singh goes ahead of greedy Williams, a guy that people have talked about in the past. Would that shock you? I I don't know. No, I'm rocky syntax and he's completing, greedy Williams. They're talking about the injury. You know, you had against the Miami. Maybe that affected the tackling. But it'll be interesting that's gonna the heck of a lot of fascination at the end of the first round about it goes corners. And you would it's a different craft in the sense that when I spoken to teams multiple teams tell me that they have either four or five players offensive skill position players with first round greats. So what? Tells you is is that this is gonna be in Trafford defensive linemen and in the first round, maybe offensive linemen linebackers. I mean, that's where the strength is in a fancy football era where people wanna see running backs and wide receivers. There aren't a lot of those in this threat firms scorings down in the NFL down the road. You can attribute it to this draft. But is going to be fun is is there a player that you see Adam that I'm gonna go to the one we talked about Nick, and I had been talking. Where's Rashawn Gary defensive end Michigan going to end up? Not as high as people thought he would I'll say that. How about that? Just think that look. You guys have said it best about him. Here's a guy that at one point was one of the top recruits. Maybe the top recruit coming out. He's enormously, gifted and talented, but his production didn't match up his talent level. And I think that I know he started his own agency. And I applaud him for his entrepreneurship, and it's great. But I don't know that NFL teams look at that. And really admire that when they're looking at first round draft picks. I think that there there've been some issues like that that surrounded him. I think that. I like I say he's not gonna go as I had one team in the twenties in the twenties in the first round. Tell me I need to do more work on Rashawn, Gary. Because I think there's a chance he's gonna get to us while while that's something else. Dr Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty Adam Schefter with us on the shell Pennzoil performance line cattles in for Dari last one from me at Adam. When you look we talked about Oakland start the interview do we know what they're gonna do on Thursday night three first round picks, or they the most unpredictable team coming up and five days. Well, I think if they have a lot of defensive needs for starters, they address some of the offensive need free agency. And I think that you know, people talked about them trading off for quarterbacks. And I just think they're gonna use those picks and Mike Mexican pick the best player available. And I think at for it looks to me like when in Williams could be ticketed to the raiders. And then when you look at those other two picks it wouldn't surprise me if they took maybe Josh Jacobs. Maybe a tight end if one slipped over there with them losing Jared cook and another defensive player, I come out of the first round with minimum two defensive players. Maybe three depending on how the board false my final question. You're in Denver. And we talk when you were covering the Broncos a lot every year, Adam and go to the Broncos attend John Elway he hasn't Joe flacco he traded for drew lock. Sits there at ten quarterback was available at ten the John Elway take your lock or pass on them for somebody else. No, I think one of the reasons that they made the trade for flack was that. They were not only in Nabet at that time with the quarterbacks in this draft. Now, I I don't rule it out. Then taking a quarterback there. You never can. I think they've got other needs. The interesting thing is Denver. You know, he's going back and forth and some of these things, and I remember the year that they took Paxton Lynch remember being told a couple of weeks before the draft. They weren't gonna take them. And it wasn't like they were lying. They were. I don't think they were there at that point in time. And then they came around him. And so the point I'm trying to make to you is we're trying to predict what Denver's gonna do five days out when I think a lot of times, they're thinking shifts. So I think a quarterback could be employees. But it just depends on how the board feel on how the board falls and how they feel that night. Thanks for the time. We appreciate it. Thanks guys have a Grammy about she initial mill. Gotta. Packet white, man. All right. It's goes Adam Schefter on the shell Pennzoil performance line. Coming up what should our expectations be Lamar Jackson sophomore season NFL nation. Ravens reporter Jameson Hensley. This is Dr in Mel cattles in for Dory on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. And now our phone from Geico motorcycle, if took fifteen minutes to click on the banner ad entitled, you won't believe what these child stars look like now be dissatisfied and kind of said about how the child stars look. And now your computer is plagued by pup ads. Can't to insult injury. You could've used those fifteen click bait minutes to switch your motorcycle insurance to gyco. Geigo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on motorcycle insurance. I just visualize Mel kiper right now tapping his foot to this song starring Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty no. I am not Dario. I am Nick cattles filling in for Dr on this Saturday morning mel's, this you kind of speed here. This your music Jayco. And yep. Every go J gonna see him live down in Mexico. It's pretty good Dr mail presented by progressive insurance. Wanna remind you as well you can catch all three days of the NFL draft starting Thursday at six PM eastern on ESPN radio. It's time for straight talk. Brought to you by straight talk wireless. Best phones. Best networks, no contracts, all guests appear via the shell Pennzoil performance line. In on that line right now is our friend NFL nation. Ravens reporter Jameson Hensley Jameson. Let's start off with Lamar Jackson. What do you think realistic expectation? This year for the more. Yeah. And I mean, I think they feel that there is going to be a development as far as being a passer, they know who strings, and they know what they do well last year, and so they're rebuilding this offense. That's still going to be run. I, but they're gonna put more on the plate for Lamar Jackson throwing the ball. And I think if he can get over sixty percent passing take a little bit of stuff that way as far as accuracy keep the interception still low, which he he did as far as throwing the ball really protected himself, and if they can keep them in single digits interceptions. I think they would be happy going forward. And I know he has some balls at sailed owning. And he really didn't come out college. The big question was can complete those passes outside numbers did struggle in that area last year as a rookie. But I think we're a lot of people overlooked. He came up big a lot of times throwing the ball on third down. And that's played a big part in the ravens controlling time possession and really grinding out. These long drives. He took over for flacco midway through last season. Shame something needs of teams. And I want you to rank these three needs in the order at you think the ravens will prioritize them. And then give me your best guess for pick number twenty to think about wide receiver that center guard at interior offensive, lineman or linebacker, those three need areas. How would you rank them? And then give me your best guess for twenty two. Yeah. I think as far as need. It's definitely why? Because they have six guys on the roster and only three of them have caught a pass in the NFL. I would say pass rusher would probably be number two. And then interior number three having said that Mel I agree. I think with what you've been doing with the monks as far as Eric McCoy from Texas AM, he's that versatile type of player that. Yeah, they do need it center. But if they find that he's a better fit at Gord. They have a need a guard as well. So he makes a lot of sense to be at at number twenty two. But now as you know, Eric the cost of loaves picks. So if he could free back maybe through the early part of that second round and still feel like he could get a guy like a McCoy or get a pass rusher or wide receiver at the early part of second round. I think that would be his first inclination. I they don't have that second round pick because they moved up last year to Lamar Jackson at the end of the first round if they could move back into the second round this year and picking up additional pick. I think that would be probably his best. He's scenario is Dario L ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty Nick cattles in for Dari noca- this morning Jameson, obviously, a big loss and CJ Moseley. How that team feel it? Yeah. Right now, I think they're going at this point with two young guys Patrick on lawsuit who really came on strong last year is really going to take over that might position Kenny young who they drift in the fourth round last year. He's pencil in as the other guy on the inside for them. I wouldn't be surprised, and I I know people think in this draft that they could go and get a young inside linebacker. I wouldn't I don't think they're going to do that in the early rounds. And the reason I say that is because they feel like they had to young guys that can kind of fill that role in the inside with aid is more experienced maybe after the draft and the ravens have been very very good of this over the years. They pick up a veteran kind of own the cheap on the bargain, and and help them get in more of an experience voice there and he's act Brown sitting out there. I think he could make a lot of sense of a raven after the draft Jamison leader. Her ship on this football team. Ray Lewis carry this team. What is shoulder? He did everything he was like a player coach, you think about Terrell. Suggs. Now, he's in Arizona. They add Earl Thomas who's going to be that guy that fires team up. The fires. The kind of guy the inspirational leader of the Baltimore Ravens football team has gone. No, that's that's a big question. And honestly, we've asked that question horrible and allows players they're kind of saying we'll we'll see that. They just don't know at this point of it. Could it be Tony Jefferson who is now taking more of a leadership role? Could it be a massive Jude on of who could be a core guy going forward, you know, really young outside linebacker, or is it the new role Thomas who has that kind of pedigree of knowing what this league in having a great defense? I think they're kind of in that wait to see mood, and I think a lot of people when they saw this team if they defense lectures, being top rank one they see all the pieces that are missing they go. You know, they're missing a lot with the with sows in dairy Smith and air weta was kind of quarterback back there. I it's it's or leadership as well as as much as production that they're going to miss. Back there. And I think that Phil. So my steps up. That's that's gonna be one of the big big question marks. At least when the defense aside for for this whole for the rape. His name is Jameson Hensley NFL nation. Ravens reporter Jamison, thanks at the time. Hey, you guys have a great show. Thank you, actually. And that was Jameson on the shell Pennzoil performance line. And straight talk wireless is what you just heard straight talk nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable four G L T networks, and again, thanks to Jameson spending some time with us on this weekend. Quick question for your mail. I know you're a Baltimore Ravens guy. I look at this team. I think they're going to take a step back this year because of Lamar Jackson and the need of development within his game. Do you agree with that? And if so how much of a step back. Do you think there is? Well, they feel this way. They added hating Hearst last year. He was hurt. He had the foot early. He was a non factor. He's healthy along with Mark Andrews who was a steel coming out of Oklahoma great rookie year. Then you think about? Lamar about the passing at a receiver. They all think it's critical because they have titan entities receiving entities. In those two. I think Lamar threw the ball. Well, then the middle. He struggled to the outside footwork mechanics throwing the football. They got to work with him. They gotta fix him as a passer make him better. He showed flashes. And I said down the middle of field, Nick. He was fine. We can run ball security. You gotta fix that. You can't be dropping the football when nobody can touch you. So sure all that up. Maybe they have something. He's a great leader. He's a hard worker. I say leader, they're inspired by his passion. We'll see if it comes together as a passer, you can tweet us on the one eight hundred flowers dot com Twitter feed at Mel kiper ESPN also at Nick see radio and remember you can catch all three days of the NFL draft starting Thursday at six PM eastern right here on ESPN radio. Have you always wanted to ask Mel a draft question? Well, this is your chance. Eight eight say ESPN eight. Eight eight seven two nine three seven seven six. It's time to ask ballots dorey and Mel cattles in for Dari on ESPN radio and ESPN app. You wouldn't settle for a two star spin class a personal trainer, would you? So why settle for Bank that treats you just like another number ally news, you deserve better. And their mission is to be just that and with ally Bank. You'll get interest rates up to twenty times the national average you can chat with real people twenty four seven and they won't make you with hidden fees. Allies team actually cares about doing right by you and your money so go to A L L Y dot com for more ally. Bank member FDIC Dario Mel ESPN radio the ESPN app, Sirius XM channel eighty Nick cattles in for Dory. Noko you can follow me on Twitter at Nick see radio you can follow Mel on Twitter at Mel kiper ESPN. You can catch all three days of the NFL draft smells time to shine. Starting. Thursday at six pm eastern right here on ESPN radio and after one hundred years of making shaving cream barbasol is finally making razors. That's right. Well, that was a no brainer. Rather barbasol ultra six plus today. Save now at barbasol dot com. All right. We've done this two times already in. Why not keep doing it since we're five days away from the draft. It's time for ask. Mel. I thought it was a spectacular decision. When a lot of level to ask the question. Well, that's what she said. I'll now I can't believe I'm talking to melt freaking Guidi Mel. Ask any trapped question you want? Dorian Mel now, eight SPN. Ask mail that number's eight seven to nine thirty seven seventy six let's start off with LB and Georgia. Hello LB. You're on. LB three to one LB's gone. Let's go to Joe in Ohio. Hey, you know, what I think Dorsey is gonna move up in that first round. Hey bell. Who does he have his eye on? Well, you would think defensive back at I think that's where again who's that db going to bait? A move up to get there's nobody in the top twenty wave Jonathan Abrams the best safety you're moving up to get Jonathan Haber navy. But that would be more late first round. I think with the depth that safety. I stay where I am wait for one of the fall on my lap. Let's go to Tim in Illinois. What's up, Tim? Big fan Lil. What do you think the Vikings are going to do with that ATF pick? You know? I gotta believe it's an offensive lineman, a Jona Williams, and I gave him. Rashawn Gary Joan Williams was gone and Chris Lynch firm was going, but I think of Jona Williams or Lindstrom or there. I mean with the versatility of Jona Williams. I'd love to have him at that point. This is ask male eight seven to nine thirty seven seventy six Dr in Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Nick cattles in for Dr Inoka. Chris in Kentucky is up next. Very Bill wouldn't Marga work for a long time under. You're welcome. I'm a western Pennsylvania native. So you know, or my look live ever devastating injury to Shays ear. I really felt the void. And it's linebackers just been used. I don't think this way of John boss IX are NFL starters. Unfortunately, the Devon's is I like to call him. I don't think they'll be obviously going to be there when we pick it twenty. What what do you think what would be a good route to go for us? When we you know, I look at you know, where you could go in terms of the second round for an inside. Maybe MAC Wilson, maybe Bobby ochre Iki Ohka creaky from Stanford Wilson from Alabama. If you get the corner in the first round, and I'm with you when Devon Bush. I can't see him now being there when the Steelers are up at twenty they may have a choice of picking their number one corner. Is it greedy Williams is at the Andre Baker Georgia. Byron Murphy, Washington, rocky and temple. They may have a pick of any corner because there. May not be a corner taken into the Steelers are up. All right. Let's go to Eddie in Wisconsin. What's up Betty? So my question is I'm a niner's fan watching watching everything with both with him being out for most of the year last year. I don't I don't know if you played last year at all his injury and with he had a slower than some of the other guys forty time. I look at Williams next to Buckner, and I I think that's a pretty lethal combination. But everybody's really high on both the DC realistic dance that they pass on both take Allen or or Williams. Hey, they're all right there. They're all great players potentially. I agree with you on both. The jury did play this year and he got hurt in that TCU game. I think you look at the durability two of the last four years being hurt last year senior year high school, and then this year talented though in terms of getting after the quarterback, you forget that the forty time. He there's always outliers to that. And Joey was and I think that the certainly Nick will be but I'll Vail abilities importance. I'm with you on that. But I don't think you could go wrong with any one of those three players mentioned ask male, eight seventy. Nine thirty seven seventy six Orion in Pennsylvania's up next. A mil- if the raven steep put at twenty two you think they'll go with a clone feral or geared bradberry? If they're both there 'cause a feral I think would be a great replacement for Terrell sucks. Well, I think you look at the guy that can play on his feet more Ferrell's down guy. I think you look at McCoy. I think more so than bradberry Bradbury's center and McCoy's center guard, and we had Jameson Hensley on the ingredient the versatility of McCoy who can do either. So either role. I is important. I think what the ravens wanna do. So I would go McCoy over bradberry. And I think Pharrell more think in the twenty five thirty two range. But hey, you know, he's good football player. I don't think he has high ceiling, but I would go more interior offensive line. Let's stay in Pennsylvania with Diane. It's going on Diane. Hey, there melt as always my husband. I revere your opinion. Greg cabinets for Doria this morning. Phil. Thanks. Both male a receiver Dallas second round home. Do you think I was hoping the Notre Dame receiver, but what's your take for the Cowboys fifty eight? And I think you look late second round who could be there at wide receiver. I'll give you some names and the keel, Harry, Arizona state deebo Samuel, South Carolina JJ Ortega Whiteside, Stanford, Parris Campbell, Ohio State miles boykin Notre Dame. Those are some of the retiree. Mclaren Ohio State. Those are some of the wide receivers that could be they're probably two of those guys. I mentioned would still be there at that point. Yeah. I like deebo Samuel Darren male ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty ask. Mel eight seven to nine thirty seven seventy six good Indiana with Tyrone. Hey, mailman. Appreciate your love you. I wanna know because everyone's project in either decay Metcalf Daniel Jones from scans at number fifteen. Right. But I think if if Brian Barnes was there, and you put him with Ryan Kerrigan and all the other young defensive Towery out there. We'd have vicious front seven. Yeah. You could Tyrone. That's a great point. They need. Somebody opposite care Smith's go on the Green Bay. And that was an issue even with Smith was getting that productivity on the other side. So hey burns Hake athletically, he's freakish talent at twenty three career sacks. Yeah, I was. But then the quarterback position. Are you gonna look at at spot at some point? They couldn't a second round with a will Greer from West Virginia Jarret stidham from Auburn? So there you don't have to necessarily get the quarterback in round one. If the Redskins there are other guys that have a chance to be affected started quarterbacks. Like, those guys I just mentioned. So we'll see what the strategy is for the Redskins and that first and second round. All right, Colin in DC. Time to ask Mel. There's the Khyber. My pleasure, sir wanted to see if you can give me a percentage of the chances of rescue landing Rosen, and what that would cost us. It would cost you. I think the fifteenth pick. I don't know if they wanna do that or not I think I think they have their sights set on Dwayne Haskins from Ohio State. That's what she's here. That's what you have to believe. They would be a great fit and in Rosen. Maybe at the chargers in the late first round. They seem to be a team that has a little bit of interest Dari Mel on ESPN radio and ESPN app. Also on Sirius XM channel eighty Nick cattles in for Dr no on this Saturday morning. Let's go to CK in Michigan. Hey, what's up guys? Just got a question for you here. Then a lion span since as old breeze haven't done much winning. We have a great quarterback in Stafford. But he's only taking us to one playoff game you package him with the pick and move up and take one of the quarterbacks coming out or do you do something like ache Devin Bush and concentrate on the defense you could either Matthew Stafford sack of a quarterback nothing's ever. Come together. It's not the offensive line. It's no running game. Or it's the defense. It's never been coming together. Quinn's gotta do that. He's got the quarterback built around them and get this team to where they wanna be TJ Hawkins names. Coupling him up tight end from Iowa Montas sweat. If you wanna pass rusher opposite flowers, obviously, Devon Bush a great football player for were there. And I think he will be I think he goes in that spot, you think about ten Denver and eleven Cincinnati. So I wouldn't have a problem with them. I think you just keep Matthew Stafford you build around him a lot invested there. And it is not his fault that this team hasn't had more success, Stephen, Missouri. What's going on state? Great show listening, and hey, I wanna know about the chiefs. You see them stand put late in the first round or do you see them possibly taking a wide receiver despite tyreek hill situation? Yeah. I think corner is so so imperative that they land a guy who has speed. That's why greedy Williams at four three speed the length. The fact that he is a cover guy tackling you hope will improve once they say, hey, wasn't healthy. That's why never some games where he had double digit tackles at LSU so outgo, greedy Williams at twenty nine for the Kansas City Chiefs. It looks like he may be there. It's looks like right now he may drop that for down the board. All right. He's milk. Hyper? You know, who he is? That is ask. Mel he is the draft. Guru the draft genius. He's the man the myth the legend. And of course, we're five days away from the draft. So why not just continue with ask mail? We'll do that. We'll also have some final draft thoughts next on Dr. And Mel cattles in for Dari on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Ouch. This is third travel of the night. Normally, I get on this case with being a complete gnomes score. But tonight, I'm chilling. Stephen what's gotten into you. I know usually I'd be often ran right now. But I gotta tell you this vivid seats thing got me completely change one hundred percent authentic. And I got these great seats yesterday on a bit seats at stress-free. Wait. What are you doing? Put mayo on my hotdog. What's the matter with you? There's the old Stephen we know. Great song. Now, come on. This is a great song Dr in Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Sirius XM channel eighty I am not Dari no club you. So you can tell about the pipes. I am Nick cattles instead subbing in for Dr on this Saturday morning and baseball is back. Tune into day as Carlos Santana in the Indians host the Braves coverage begins at three thirty eastern on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Nothing better to do today. The dispeat- to Mel kiper as we get ready for the draft five days away. So let's do this. Again, let's have some fun with the callers across the country, Stu some more ask male. One. I thought it was a spectacular decision on a lot of levels. D would ask a question? Well, that's what she said. Call now, I can't believe I'm talking to melt free guide. Smell Kenny trapped question you want? Doria bell. Now eight. Ask male eight seven to nine thirty seven seventy six let's start with jed in Indiana. Taking my call. So my pretty boiler makers have gone twenty two three years with draft player. Do you think David blouse live into the six or seven throughout round to keep that streak alive? He could we talked about Blau Jacob seen them into safety. It could happen with Blau. He's the kind of guy, you know, what he's going to be a great backup. He'll understand that role. It'd be like Doug Peterson was Brett Farr possibly so. Yeah, I could see him maybe late or getting into a campus a priority undrafted free agent. Let's go out to Nebraska, Chad. It's up next. What's up jet? And they'll talk you love your show big time. Nebraska, San here, where do you see former huskers daily more junior divine Zik Boko into the draft. I think Divino Zik bows, the most underrated running back in the draft. And I've said that for a while. Now, I love his hard charging style. I should have been invited to combine wasn't. Because of that is the overlooked, you never know maybe fifth sixth seventh round, but he's gonna make a team Stanley Morgan junior. I think six seventh round for him maybe four fifth possibly the right team. But I'm high on zig. Bo I like that kid is running style. And he's going to play in this league along time eight seven to nine thirty seven seventy six Nick cattles in for Dr Noga with Mel kiper ask Mel we've got Alex in Michigan. Hey, guys, happy Easter just wondering from Michigan, but a Pakistan. What do you think they're going to do with the first pick? You know, I'd go off into line if if you feel like there's no tight end or no receiver on your board worthy. And I don't think there are. I don't know what the Packers. Board looks like is Noah fan more highly regarded, I think he is then you take the tight end of Hawkins gone if you like decay med Caborn, either you take him. But I think ofensive line I love Chris Lynch from Boston College might tanenbaum raved about him as well. As one of his favourite players not as favourite player in the draft. Joe Williams the verse little kid from Alabama's offense is going to dictate the early portion of the Packers draft Daniel in Indiana. What you got? How you doing Mel big fan of yours? I was just wondering where you think Chris Ballard go in the first three rounds for the colts. Well, I think you look at what he did last year was unbelievable. And you think about the needs I think wide receiver if Metcalf is there, and I took him in there. And then Todd, and I we did the mock I think we've Metcalfe's there or marquees Browns there but predict you would put more med cash, and what the bigger receiver you already have T Y Hilton go that route. Then maybe look for somebody can come off the edge. Maybe in round two maybe chase winna vich from Michigan as a possibility their kid. I think everybody likes the way he plays the game Dari Mel ESPN radio ESPN app. Siriusxm channel eighty cattles in for Dr Inoka this Saturday morning. It's go out to Kelly. Mike's got a question for Mel. Mike. Third. Hey, y'all you're on the go ahead. Mike what you got? Just marijuana know what your autumn it drafts and our lives for the Oakland Raiders for the first round. Well, Quinton Williams if you get him where they're picking it four, then you come back with maybe a defensive back at that point. If you like Byron Murphy, Washington, if you like the Andre Baker, and I like Smith junior tight end at Alabama some like clown Ferral, they think that would be a good pick defensive end from Clemson there. I would think one of those couple picks late would be maybe trade as they can accumulate more because may ox gonna love the second the fifth round in this draft the more picks you have the better off. You'll be if the Oakland Raiders Mike's go lay you can the candy store. That's what you want you want more options and they had the ability late. I ran to create war by trading outta there. With one of those two picks late in round one as a patriots fan. I'm hoping Irv Smith is there at thirty two. Let's go to Chris in Ohio Abby dollar congrats on a very distinguished career to question. A lot of first round conversation. I and a huge house guy. Thinker Mayfield lettuce somewhere that we didn't think we are going to go. I see a lot of Panja between the two and then Secondly to solidify the Browns defense, you think there's any shot that Dorsey jumps up to get one of the two Devon's. Thanks, guys. Go way up Devin whites gonna go five Tampa, Devon Bush could go ten eleven spot. It's gonna I don't see that happening. But I think when you talk about will Greer will Greer in the second third round, he has as you said the intangibles he has the arm now has the deep ball. Accuracy. The issue here is the West Virginia offense that defensive face in the big twelve widow may feel did the same thing let it up and people had concerns about that. But I think Greer second around at worst third round. And I think he's got a shot coming out of West Virginia. The maybe beat the odds and do something that some of those quarterbacks. Traditionally haven't been able to do I think he can love the fact that he's solid. He's. Rounded, and he knows what he wants to do. He came on the show actually Nick few weeks ago and really allowed over Dr in I-. Nice. Nice Cody, and I was up next. He's got a question for Melkite, but junior big fan years, man. Thank you do for the sport. Thank you. TJ Harkinson walking abilities that gets him off the board before no offense. It's that. Plus the just the way play the energy that he plays the game with he went out and just took over and Nathan Stanley looked him in the offense geared toward him. Because he went out and showed from the get-go this season that he would be the guy that would be able to get open and make plays in the passing game. And also handle blocking responsibilities. I kept waiting for no offense to have that explosive game where he catches seven or eight passes, and it didn't happen. And you say what what was the reason that and that's something where I think if I'm no fan, I'm coming to the NFL to show him better than Hopkinson it. I'm the best tight end in this dress. I'm coming with a chip I love guys get a little disrespected if they take that and build on it and use it as a positive it can make them better player. So if I'm no fan and Hopkinson goes on the top ten like you supposed to and I'm at the end of the first boy coming in ready to roll, right? It's the last ask Mel of the day James in Washington. What's going on James? Appreciate you guys. My question is about Nick savings comment about players coming out earlier are ruining their chances. I just wanna know what you guys think about that next. Good friend. I've known Nick for years. I think you have to. Somehow, you're getting information, they haven't NFL advisory board. I don't know what the kids are listening to. But I would say college coaches stop talking eighth graders. Okay. Stop recruiting eighth grade. Yes. You stop doing that? Don't worry about kids in college. What they're doing so hypocritical. So I stopped with the eighth grade recruiting before you start talking about junior leaving your program early. And there it is ask Mel for the fourth and final time today. I feel like we could have done that ten times today. Five days we had the best music of the year because it was country country more countries. I was great job. Mike guys Travis back in the room. They're miss you mail. I might Dr eight Nick if Dari are screaming right now because it's not a country at a rock and right? He loves the rock. We more often music. Exactly try. Yeah. Wally pipped. Fun show power gas. It's been fun. One question for you. That's left. Mel what's that five days away from the draft? Give me one big bold prediction one. Big bold prediction. One. Big bold prediction, I'll say this. I think that you will see twin alco twenty two debates in the first two rounds. Wow. Twenty two I thought fifteen to twenty eight twenty two defense. It's going to be a heavy defensive draft of defensive backs are wild. You know, I know idea what to expect doing a show Mel kiper junior five days before the draft on the network, but it's been everything that I expected an even more and even better Mel have a great safe travel to Nashville enjoy yourself next week happy everybody, and we are looking forward to Nashville and a lot of action over the next several days going to be a lot of fun guys. Nick, get talk to you Monday. Thank you, buddy. You can catch all three days and the NFL draft starting Thursday at six PM eastern on ESPN radio. This has been Dari in Mel on ESPN radio and the ESPN app cattles in for Dory. Coming up next, get ready. Get excited it is GTL on ESPN radio and the ESPN app. I can't believe it that Philip brought his little brother on our mission into orbit along until it got their long. We get they're all learning got there. No. I can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on my car insurance with gyco. What's this button? Do what's this button? 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"All right. So during the break the lions pick. Let's go right to that Saddam Shaquille. Sean here Kirk Morrison here draft special go ahead. Played the eighth pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft. The Detroit Lions TJ Hopkinton. So keys that who you Jacksonville is gonna take tax Bill would take the tide in from Iowa and TJ Harkinson. But this makes a lot of sense for Detroit Detroit me looking for tied in for quite some time. But you also gotta understand. Yeah. Whether this what is this regime? Come from. They came from New England, right? So everything they're doing a copycat of what the New England Patriots do. Right. Hide ends Kaczynski Hernandez that sort of thing they traded their receivers traded received. This is what they do. So I don't mind it. It's not bad. I don't mind it at Hopkinson. Yeah. I mean look salts Rhine ready. It's more out of Iowa. I mean, yeah, it's it's what they're looking for within that division. You gotta remember that planning Chicago. They're gonna Green Bay. Who knows that guy the cold weather outdoors that whole deal? Yeah. Well, it's a copycat league Jewish. Yeah. When I say copycat Lee what works for one team. Yeah. People say, oh, I want that too. So the two titans in his draft from Iowa. I you have TJ Hodkinson and the other one's gonna be no effect. Right. Right. So what Detroit is hoping is that they can get what the San Francisco forty Niners got out of there tied him out of Iowa. This year was a guy named George coup. Right. The NFL records for tied in. That's right receiving yards down here. So just this. What I call everybody. I it's a copycat league. Oh, I like that I want that. And I'll give you this. This is more that always look at the highest pay strength coach in college football, Alabama. No, no, I that's right. I guide him by seventy seven hundred. Sixty five thousand so these guys come in Ray to play strong as an ox, and they can give you what the graphic like he was talking about earlier guys who can block and eight hundred grand living in damone wherever Neil Kinnock stadium. Yeah. I wouldn't her to grant had a lot of money. Hell, yeah. Look it up. No live eight hundred thousand man to be a strength coach for him. Yeah. But I mean, there's a sisters don't make that kind of money. But I'm just saying well, you look at you look at their players that come from Iowa. Yeah. They ready. Do they come into the league ready? Okay. When I say ready, they may not win championships or the always gonna be solid. I well, they're not going. You know, they have a couple of years. They're really up, but then they're just right here at even keel, but their players to the National Football League they play right away. So let's review where we're at right now. The number one picking the draft was Kyla Murray. He went to the Arizona Cardinals. Number two was Nick Boza to the San Francisco forty Niners defensive out of Ohio State, Quinton Williams defensive tackle from Alabama went number three to the jets. And then things got interesting the raiders at number four to Cleland feral, the defensive end of Clemson the highest mock draft, I saw Cleland Farrell going was twenty one. Okay. Then who is next then the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. We're on the clock and. They took Devon whites. Right. They took Devon wide at five. Then things got interesting again because the New York Giants were on the clock, and they took Daniel Jones out of Duke. Josh Allen the outside linebacker sliced defensive end from Kentucky went pick seven to the Jacksonville Jaguars TJ Hopkinson the tight, and we were just discussing Iowa Wint pick number eight to the Detroit lion. And his name is Chris Doel, by the way, the the strip coach for I will Chris deal. But look we're almost ten picks in so we nine picks in but Buffalo's picks in and we got ten is Denver. We haven't heard one trade yet. Not yet. Not yet ills around the clock in the interesting thing is there's a lot of great talent still left on a board from Ed Oliver on down the to Jona Williams the tackle two quarterback Dwayne highest gins Devon and linebacker from Michigan. So it's a lot of great talent that still on the board with a long ways to go in this draft. So I'm sure at some point time as it continues to go you'll see some trays hap, how do you guys? Feel about at Oliver out of Houston because they're not known for defense that particular squad. But is he a good enough player to translate to the next level? Oh guy. Yes. The thing is he playing hard nose position at Houston where he was getting double and triple team a lot his his game certainly will transfer over into the national football, all that dot Kirs. Roger Goodell with the bills pick. And the two thousand nineteen Abell draft. The Buffalo Bills. Select Ed Oliver. There is. So here you you are right here. He goes the buffalo. He's a lot like an air. Donna, you compare them air dollar because of the size. So the first thing you say is size is arms strength. Here's a guy right here who could create having a lot of people are down a work down on him, partly because he didn't finish the season at times he got into a major Applewhite over a stinking red jacket. I remember that whole deal. So people saw that he's he's got. So all of a sudden, you know, how the National Football League is George now. I get this guy shoes heritage in. So that's what it all started. But hey, I'm happy for him. I'm glad that he went where he went. He's going to be a hell of a player in football league. And you're looking for a job. Yeah. But he's also another guy who had a chance to to stand up. Meet a had a couple of Houston game 'specially this year the one game that I had they played against Tulsa this year in the one thing about an Oliver was he got hurt against navy. Like, you mentioned he was double teams guys coming underneath. He has the ability to not only. Dropping coverage. I actually put a did a side by side comparison of Aaron Donald at Pittsburgh, not in the NFL. But Aaron Donald at Pittsburgh in Oliver and car this dude is athletic. He runs sideline Ceylon. And remember he feels a need for buffalo who retired for the Buffalo Bills this year. Cow will tackle he is. Now, they're Kyle Wilms replacement. That's why you go out and draft at Voller. I don't think that they thought he would be there at pick nine. I don't think he thought he was gonna be there. And I've said it before you this draft is is fluid because you thinking this may happen. But all of a sudden at all what at all. Lot to Aaron Donald his no question. Look any beat the double team. We're watching here in the studio on television. He just split the double team. Now, you look at Aaron Donald here against looks like Philadelphia Seattle Seahawks. He splits the double there. I mean, it's washed. It's unbelievable. His power his strengthen his low centre gravity. He has a lot of Warren Sapp in him. He has a lot of an Donald in him. So I think he's gonna be a terrific player for a long time to come for the Buffalo Bills. So next is the Denver Broncos. They're on the clocks tackle, six minutes to go. There. You think they're going to go off and show. Maybe like a resign. Gary thing or you mean offense. Okay. I would be shocked how about John Williams from Alabama. It wouldn't be chocolate took away Haskins. No, I think that they go. Joe flacco. Yeah. Because he can learn sit behind Joe Joe's a one year one year type guy urban Meyer said that he thinks it's best for joins to sit a year. Yes. Yeah. Absolutely. All young quarterbacks with a veteran that can play all of them that that that have veteran guy in when you young you should sit you shouldn't play immediately. I don't think so I just don't think unless you just absolutely ready. I think just tackle were tied in. And the reason why it goes back to my theory and looking in my division. Do I have a tackle that can go out and stop guys like, you know, say the raiders, but you look at Melvin Ingram. You look at Joey Bosa with the chargers now, the raiders, we don't know what. Cleveland Farrell's going to die. Right. Right. But Arden key. Okay. And then you look at the chiefs. They got Frank Clark. Right. Yeah. So if I'm Denver I got Joe flacco unbelieving Joe flacco. But the one thing about Joe flacco you better have some time for allow him to throw. He is. Not a rhythm quick throw passer. He's a guy that wants to take five seven step drops get the ball deep down the field. So that's why I think he could be a situation where they can draft a tackle here. All right. So when we come back, we'll have the Broncos pick. They're coming up. And of course, Cincinnati Green Bay and Miami after that stick around Sodano show NFL draft special Keyshawn tear Kirk Moore's since here. But before that, I gotta tell you, man. You know, my buddy Jacob man, the mini get join accent even calling the insurance company. Call Jacob man, right now, look there's a lot of accents going on with. Uber's lifts and everybody's got different rights. What does that mean? Well, I'm talking about what if you're a passenger in the Berlet, you've got different rights, you got different rising. You're actually driving to berlitz. How 'bout you get hit by someone driving number lift all those are different man. And Jacob knows all the different specialties there. So we get into an accident make mistake don't wait to call. It could cost you a ton of money, man. And of course, there's all that headache of you do everything by yourself. So man, get this do do what everyone around here has been doing call Jacob. And you don't have to do this. You don't have to pay a penny. Man until he wins so him and his team can get you the money you deserve. And the do all the work to make the phone calls handle the paperwork set up the doctor's appointments, whatever the case may be if you're injured or an accident. First thing I thought I call Jacob Jacob Jacob the consultation is free. You heard that? Right. Call them twenty four hours a day at eight four four twenty four Jacob that's eight four four twenty four Jacob or online at called Jacob dot com. Sonata show here on ESPN LA NFL draft special. We've got another half hour here keys here Kirk here. And we have a trade. The Denver Broncos traded with the Pittsburgh Steelers and the Pittsburgh Steelers selected pick looking like it's going to be a defensive player. The Denver Broncos have traded the pick to the Pittsburgh Steelers. For Pittsburgh pick. Please welcome back to the stage nineteen Seventy-nine Walter Payton NFL man of the year hall of Famer and Steeler legend, Joe green. Two thousand eighteen NFL. The Pittsburgh Steelers. Devon. Devin Bush linebacker, Michigan Kirk what do you got? No. So they trade it with the Denver Broncos. So the Broncos now go to pick twenty in replace of the Pittsburgh Steelers. They also get the Steelers second round pick, which is pick fifty two. They'll get next year. Third round pick in the twenty twenty drafts got traded basically three picks for Devin Bush the Pittsburgh Steelers. Devon Bush's father was a defensive back at Florida state and played for the Rams actually to if I recall correctly, so key. What do you think of the pick of Devon Bush? I like it. I think David bushes a hell of a football player. He's a lot in the clone of Deir Brooks type, not as you know, not as fast, but he he has the sideline sideline awareness athletic ability. He's a smaller linebacker five eleven two hundred and thirty pounds, but you know, in the NFL and especially with the Pittsburgh Steelers. Title. They like smaller guys. Yeah. They have a lot of those small last year in the second round dairies litter the best linebacker taking he was actually the best defensive player of the rookie defensive player of the year by the Annapolis colts. Right. Then think about this copycat league again to inside linebackers key drafted in the top team. So what was the last year? We've seen to inside not outside pass rusher. Two inside linebackers drafted in the top ten of the NFL draft. I have no idea. I'll tell you this. According to pro football, focus, Devon Bush was excellent Blitzer top-five pass rushing. Great among all off ball linebackers the past two seasons while he was at Michigan. So certainly a guy that can get to the quarterback from that inside position. Look the Steelers played at three four that you know, they're gonna they're gonna come at you from all different angles. Their defense has lacked right over the last couple of years. It's not what we've been accustomed to. Say Ryan Zere got injured in. That's what it is. The bingles pick is in. And the two thousand nineteen NFL draft the Cincinnati Bengals select Joe, William tackle, Alabama. So they you go they're going to protect their quarterback in Andy Dalton and perhaps, you know. Well, the thing about this another two years ago, they got cheap. Think about it Cincinnati Bengals being cheap. We've heard that before. But they didn't wanna pay Andrew Whitworth right in the ramp set will will pay him. He's been a amok outs for the Rams. Okay. So they'd had you know, Zach Taylor. Who was the Rams what offense coordinator where quarterbacks coach last year offense slash offense coordinator. What does he do? He says, you know, what? Yeah. I like, I need a tackle. 'cause I know what a tackle can do for my quarterback. He goes out and gets Jona Williams. It's almost like McVeigh all over the interesting thing about that last pick. Pittsburgh, Pittsburgh went up to get Devon Bush because Cincinnati was trying to replace Burfoot right with Devon Bush. And then all of a sudden they saw let me move up. Yeah. So basically this falls into their lap. I don't think Cincinnati wanted to do it. But it was sitting there in wind up taking so John Williams who is the office of tackle from Alabama. When they do HIV should've went to USC his bio, he's from Folsom, California. He was a high school teammate of Jake. Br. Downing of the Washington huskies. And it's funny on his little bio, they said enjoys cooking. Now, I feel like that they didn't get that. When you guys were drafted that in had that kind of have social media. No. But it says on on the I was at the draft. So I really didn't get a chance to see. What was what was said for you key? What have been your hobby back in nineteen ninety five or six or whatever they probably would have had a little bit sports loves playing basketball. Yeah, they they didn't get in-depth cooking and things that I wasn't a big ugly. He's got he's got cook. Did you say rollerskating rose? Looking at crowd. It's crazy. They say there's one hundred thousand people there that's Nashville to thing. I think come to Vegas next year and in the year after already looking forward. Oh, man, we all site kilos starts. This guy. Keep them all he'll be all site. Key doesn't love because what happens is what happens when you start playing a little bit. Just doesn't go will doesn't go with bring that thing to LA. You already know, man. They'll be right here. That's different though. Stay. We'll probably be at the new stadium network the whole deal in that was this coming this. So. Nashville surrounded by so many football cities and states, you know, not drive or tra- not far from Mississippi so drive. There's no quite everybody wants Vegas vacation in an L A vacation in web is always going to be good in these places this time of year. So next up are the Green Bay Packers. My guess is they're going to go defense here. That's that's what I would do because just pay down Roger. So we're gonna take a quick break. We're back in less than three minutes in three minutes. We'll be back and we're going to have the Green Bay Packers pick. He's here. Kirk Moore's here's Sodano show NFL draft special. But I gotta take my friends at the dudes brewing company five tasted rooms in southern California Torrance, Santa Monica, Santa Clara, Huntington beach Thousand Oaks to order beer from the source go to their website the dudes brew dot com. We're back in three minutes with the Packers Pickett twelve. All right. So these Sodano show NFL draft extravaganza. Let's go to the podium for the Green Bay Packers pick burst in the floor era. Let's see where they go. Wiz. He. In the two thousand nineteen NFL draft the Green Bay Packers. Select we're Sean Gerry. Linebacker Michigan defensive pick their keys year, Kurt cheer key. What do you think you don't think is a good pick? You you pair him. We Kinney Clark the rest of the lose CLYDE Matthews Julius when I needed to ask them defense adept air Raja's. Did he picked the number y receives last year young receivers? I think at some point time they got address the running back situation. But this year is a good pick for them. Now. I don't know about the production at times at the university of Michigan. He didn't necessarily have a high motor every single week. But he certainly was a productive player for you. He was a highly talented player coming out of high school out of New Jersey. So it's a good pick. I think that when you look at the value for him again this draft is loaded with defense alignment a defensive players. And he's wanted to guys that's been at the top of the draft says to beginning. I love it, man. This is. So you get Rashawn Gary. Right. They also bring him ever Preston. Smith the defensive in linebacker, free agent stuff. They went to Zaharia Smith. Also the linebacker. I paid him some money out of Baltimore. And so remember who their defensive coordinator is now Mike ped-, right? Mike Penn is about the bring back that all Rex Ryan. They blitz defense air coming from all different angles now. Yeah. That's Mike pet new. So and even when he was the head coach over. In in Cleveland. Yeah. The defense has never been a problem. Yeah. You give Aaron Rodgers defense. Yeah. Now, you talk about a guy who can get the ball back. Yeah. Man this. This is a good value pick, you know, for a guy like you mentioned the SOS do came to school. You know, he was doing three years, and he was out she left after a second year, George for sure. Yeah. There's any doubt. And again, you pay down Rogers you gotta load up on defense now to help him out. And as you mentioned, Mike Petain's aggressive. The dolphins around the clock. Now's about five minutes to go. We'll keep you updated. Dwayne Hoskins is the guy there. Right. If they don't get the Rosen deal. Right. I wouldn't you. Yeah. Why? When you you know, you need a quarterback of the future. You have the the fit rioters, patching, stopgaps, whatever. And then you roll into the way Dwayne ask is been sitting for very long time. Now where you. If the dolphins take him. I think the Redskins Willett fourteen right? If the risk is don't move ahead and trade for the trade often saucer because the dolphins can do that. And get the fifteen. I'm sorry. Fifteen Redskins are fifteen because if the Redskins straight up with the dolphins they can have that draft capital for Josh Rosen. If that's what they want. If that's what they wanna do. I surprised that he's still kind of sitting. I thought for sure when you look at the quarterbacks that or any NFL whether it's Peyton Manning in the past. Whether it's Tom Brady, Dwayne Haskins is really close to that style. Don't look at the don't look at the numbers in the years in a hall of fame credentials in the Super Bowl mechanics is what I'm talking about. I'm talking about the football IQ mechanics athletic ability. He reminds a lot of people of those type of quarterbacks big subzero refigerator statue tied guys with soft bodies. He has a soft body. He is not eight Cam Newton. Looking quarterback is not a mobile quarterback. He's aggressor a pocket passer. So I think that this could be the pick for them. Because again floors has come from New England Patriots seen Garoppolo. He's seeing what they had there in Tom Brady. So I'm sure he's probably pinching in general Majete and saying, hey, let's take a look at this at Haskins sitting there, and it'll be a great pick form at thirteen. Yeah. It's gonna be fascinating to see. Now where this goes to the quarterback stuff. Again, gets very interesting because I don't love I didn't love all the quarterbacks in this draft. I mean, I liked Askins is the guy like the most because I feel like he's most he could be most successful in the NFL as you pointed out because I still think in the NFL you gotta play from the pocket guy. Yes. Yeah. For as much as you mobility can help and look Aaron Rodgers mobile. Clearly, Russell Wilson is mobile, but those guys can still perform between the tackles, which is the most innocent different type of mobile, right? I mean, they they're they're Rogers in Russell Wilson aren't running quarterback right there. Just. Guys that can escape the pocket in by themselves. A lot of time with their feet and keep their head head is down field and deliver the football. And I think the way it Haskins somewhat in a little bit of that mode. But at the same time, he he is a lot like Tom Brady a lot like Peyton Manning in terms of the body. Type interesting is I mean, if the dolphins don't go here. Washington doesn't have to trade up and they get their guy. Right. They g- Washington needs a quarterback. It's not even a question. Yeah. Poor Alex Smith. Keenum Zere pointy. Dog just laugh poor Alex Smith, he's made like seven hundred million dollars. And he broke his leg. He'll be. We'll be able to you know, they thought for a second might not be able to walk hidden just thought it was not I thought it was not being able to play football. No, no. Well, they also had an infection. Yes. That was the part, but they got case keenum air in place. Right. They make seven hundred million dollars. It feels like Z does love him. So there's that he made a lot of money and Elsie loves it. But Washington wasn't going anywhere with him. Anyway. Right. So they were best they were five hundred type team. So that's the deal, but the pig is in but the parents the draft is in commercial. So so we'll have the pick from the dolphins here momentarily. So there you have it. We'll have it here in just a second. But in the interim, here's some names that are still on the board here Andre Dillard, Washington offensive lineman. He's a guy that's still on the board Cody Ford, Oklahoma is on the board offense align right now defense everybody's going defense. I know a fan tight end that you were talking earlier. Yeah. But here's the pay card is let's do it. Roger Goodell for the dolphins pick. The clock. Yep. Might want to here we go. We know what it is. Let's go to Roger Goodell. Where the thirteenth pick in the two thousand nineteen NFL draft the Miami Dolphins select Christian Wilkins. So what do you make of that no Haskins again? I mean, they're rebuilding their team Brian floors defensive guy. But I mean, it seems strange that Integra cornerback. I like it. I like Chris Wilken there at the defensive tackle spotty opens up things for Raikov McMillan, a number two pick that they had a couple years ago at the live bugger spa allows him to be able to move around some, but you also are dealing with a defensive coordinator who's the head coach. So you know, what that means? He's got to go heavy defense McMillan plug by kisha say that I like to had a big dude in front of. Absolutely all swim around saying is a guy who watched the dolphins for many years with Tim Bowens garner for Zach Thomas, you want someone like that. I think about this. Who was the most productive player drafted in two thousand four by the patriots played there. Forever guy went to Miami guy by the name of Vince, wolf work. And krista. We'll have more athletic Vince, Wilford a little bit lighter. You can move splits. Aired and they keep showing it. But that's what Brian floor is has now. Okay. This is how you kinda start. Your defense starts in the middle up front. Now, you've got your big doll. And it you start moving all the way back. So it's going to help out. You know, I think this linebacking corps like you mentioned. But also help Fitzpatrick help out Rashad John those guys in the back end as well. This is a big it's a pick, you know, and he comes from a program to that's the one thing that Cleland Farrell goals. I right. He we didn't expect him to go. First of all the guy we thought it was going to be Wilkins went Ryan him. But these all these passionate football players to and that's what I think separates Wilkins from some of the other players. Man. This is good. Atlanta and in Washington, and that's it has definitely going defense right line that can go off the vice their corners. Spicer quarterbacks. I think that that's something that they wanna do. They could go cornerback here in this in this draft. You've got greedy, William Sydney. Are you got the Baker sitting here, you've got the bakers from Georgia area? So they see him up close you got greedy. You've got by Murphy. So I think that they could potentially go corner in this spot or often in their secondary Ardy offense alive position to Cody four could be a guy that can play tackle a guard out of Oklahoma. Then Matthews over to the right? So they can go either way here. That's a dusty little Duffy mental part. They just show like five people in there. It wasn't a good. Look. This is fun. This is so much fun. Oh, God this show. Let's catch you up on where you're out of. You're just tuning in. We got about another five six minutes here on the show for us. Kyla Murray went one Nick Boza went to to the Niners Quinton Williams defensive tackle Bama. Went three to the jets. Cleland Farrell went four to the raiders in a big surprise. Devon, white when five to the bucks inside linebacker LSU. Another surprise Daniel Jones quarterback from Duke went to the giants. Josh Allen the outside linebacker from Kentucky. When seven to the Jaguars TJ Hopkinson not to be confused. The haka son in Vegas tied in Iowa went to the lion's at eight and Oliver defensive tackle Houston who reminds people have Aaron Donald went to number nine Devin Bush inside linebacker Michigan. Pick tend to the Steelers pick eleven was Joan Williams offensive tackle, California kid from Alabama. With the Bengals Rashawn Gary defensive and Michigan win twelve to the Green Bay Packers and Christian Wilkins divas of tackle. Clemson went thirteen to the dolphins. And the Atlanta Falcons, the pick is in Suzy Hct is talking to Christian Wilkins, but we'll wait to hear when Roger Goodell's speaks. There's been three AFC teams all drafted. Yeah. And all three of them have all taken defensive tackle the jet. I try Tom Brady. They've been trying to do that for how many years now push up the middle to a lot. What are they like nine visit titles at a row or something like that? While there was one minute in two thousand eight when Chad Pennington went to the doll was the only year they didn't win. So that's about nine in a row. Yeah. Yeah. Wow. Yeah. Trust me. I know show anyway. So we'll see what happens with Atlanta would try to see what probably just get this pig in to be honest. And then we're going to be off the air. And then we'll turn it over to ESPN radio Dari noca-, and those guys will have the call for you from the rest of the night. And there's also said I was a sixteen year old scrolling through my Instagram. I like the picture of somebody. I knew with a girl. There's nothing racist about the picture. Obviously there some bad things in the hash. But obviously, I wasn't reading all those pictures. Right. Yeah. And that's and that's fine. Now, it's time to play. Right. So all of that stuff that you know that happens. They're gonna look at him. Cross steel. Here's the falcons in nineteen NFL draft. The Atlanta Falcons like Chris Lindstrom guard Boston. They would go off into line if they didn't go defensive back. They would go off a lot of tackle guard combination they coat. They didn't take Cody four. They took Christmas from Boston College, which is a stud. I mean, he's a power power guy. Nice punchy. Also, if you look at Boston College offense alive, and no they turn out to be pretty good their running back mazing in a lot of that is their offense of line whether they're nasty and his dad played four years. Go figure. Yeah. And his and his cO. You got that pedigree is just getting nasty, man. Yes. All it is. That's all it is. And and we look at Atlanta. They gotta get back to getting run the football again. They don't have Tevin Coleman. He's no longer there. Right. So as devante Freeman and. I don't know where I with Matt Ryan, you know, what I mean because he had the one you don't know. What do you mean? Don't know because we saw what he looked like what Kyle Shanahan and then when Kyle Shanahan left the offense, look different. And you could even get Julio to ball to in the end zone member last year. Julia was like a lot of. Yeah. Steve. Circasians back. So that's naral keys, Alabama, Alabama. Sorry, I'm sorry. You got sell fire. You got to sell fire. So I'm sorry about that. Yeah. But who's a Daryl Bevill who's Jero Bellevue? Seattle is in Atlanta who had a relationship with Dan Quinn. Dan Quinn, because they went to the Super Bowl ago, man. I I've been getting all these maybe moving so much, but it's part of coaching. Tree miss the tree is I'll take care. You take care of me scratch your back out scratch yours. That's the way it works. So you get a job. I'll take care. You. Don't worry. So Washington is at pick fifteen. I don't know if we'll be able to make that happen here because we're doing a half minutes. Yeah. And two and a half minutes. We'll turn it over will break. We'll turn it over to Dr Noga, ianfitzsimmonsespn keys buddy might Tenenbaum and Chris Canty will be on the call here for years. Offense, coordinator, focus forget that. No dirt cutter. That's right. I think Darryl went to the knee. Go to Jacksonville are. No, no, no, no. That was a. No, no, no, no. Minnesota. And then he got fired and he came over with Nick foles. Yeah. What did they go Jacksonville? Oh, jacksonville. Yeah. You got me. I'm screw say. Minnesota came over with Nick foles by go. No. It was the offense coordinator. Oh, not Jansky Sipa. It's an Italian. Yeah. Yeah. Sipa Chelea something like that kind of the falcons to no office coordinator. Nets and Jacksonville Jaguars CPA. Sally zippo Sally. And I. John D, Filipo, whatever saying Sally, fifth below outta talion. You are right. Yeah. New couldn't exactly get it. Right. I was close it in him so cutter. That's what is so what do we make of what we've seen the first half of the draft basically some winners and some losers. How about that tank? You I mean, it was interesting raiders draft grade go f- f minus man, no f plus. I call it a sea right now because it was a lot of people had them lower. He comes out, and he has an outstanding year we can say that. But I think the biggest thing for me. I always said at two linebackers drafted in the top ten this has been a defensive dominant drought. Still at a first round is the Steelers coming up to get Devon Bush. I think that's that's the pick of the first of the first of the the first row so far. So there you have it makes you tune into Keyshawn l z and Travis tomorrow morning from six to ten and of course, Kirkeby back in here. We made them are like around the second row analyze what the Rams did. Obviously tomorrow's well. Thanks guys for hanging out. Thanks to funchess and Mike as well. We'll talk to you tomorrow ESPN radio is up next. So stay tuned. We'll talk to you Marsha.

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RTCD #184: Combine Preview - Defense

The College Draft with Ross Tucker

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RTCD #184: Combine Preview - Defense

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If you haven't already to get that fifty percent, welcome bonus. And if you haven't already what are you waiting for Fran? Of course, the Philadelphia Eagles video scouting guru, whom you should all be following on. Twitter at f-. Duffy three all kinds of good stuff from France that you can find over on his Twitter, and we're continuing I should probably mention if you're new to the show, I'm Ross Tucker. Thanks for thanks to turn in a former NFL offensive lineman. You've come to the right place. If the draft is your thing, and you try to learn more about it, especially if you want to get the best breakdown of the defensive players heading into the combine Fram. We talked about this last week. And I would encourage people they didn't check out last week's episode to go back and check out the combine preview on the offensive side of the ball. We went over, you know, the different categories friend that you'll talk about but quickly again, they are tap pick workout warrior trust the tape. Stop watch shocker will kill the drills. Most approve most productive couch player. Best pro comparison. Best story small school St.. Philly connection. Mr. average, any of those friend that you think definitely need further explanation thinks some of those are are obvious, maybe maybe workout warrior trust to tape. Stop watch. Shocker and we'll kill the drills. Yeah. I think the workout warrior is always like giving a negative connotation. I'm just picking a guy that I think is just gonna blow up the athletes testing portion trust the tape as a guy that may not test. Well, but I'm not expecting them to test while so I'm not gonna crush them too bad. If the testing doesn't go all that. Well, this week stop watch shocker guy that's going to surprise us with how he tests and we'll kill the drills is gonna look I got it's gonna look good. You know when they get into the position specific drills. So these were all categories that I highlighted in my positional previews over on Philadelphia Eagles dot com. I go very much indepth on all those categories at each position tried to cover as many guys as possible. So we'll hit on a few categories each position here. But make sure you just go check those out. For the full descriptions at each position. Right. So what we're doing is. We're going by position, and we are going to dive into not every player, but a couple of guys that Fran feels like are especially noteworthy at each position group that you should know for whatever reason in whatever category, we just gave. And by the way, just before we dive into that friend today's the first day, but it's really just the first day for the media portion. There aren't any on field workout today. Correct now on steal stuff doesn't start till Friday. So basically the stuff will see today players got into town yesterday and today is going to be head coach and general manager media day for the most part. So we don't we're not gonna talk to any players today players won't start speaking to the media until Thursday. So today, we'll be you know, big quotes from head coaches. General manager around the league. And then the players will start talking. And then they'll start talking on the field as well. Let's get to the edge rushers. It's arguably the best position in the draft. Or at least at the top of the draft. It's been talked about a lot who are the guys that you feel like we need to talk about whole certainly I mean, we know about Nick Bosa. I always talked so much about him over the course of the last year. I to me the best player in the draft. He's going to test which is a good thing. We've come in off the injury. So we'll see how he does. I think he's going to test very well, not as well as Rashawn Gary who I think is going to be one of the freak shows of the entire event at his size on just under two ninety. We'll see what he weighs in. We'll see if he shed some weight or if he's gonna keep that weight on and expect to put up those same numbers that we've seen reported. I know Bruce Feldman has written about that ad nauseam is what Rashawn Gary is going to do at this event. So I expect for Sean Gary to be one of the again, one of the top testers. Regardless of position. That's why I listen to him as my workout warrior in that combine preview, I expect him to just do ridiculous things across the board in these tests guys that I would expect to test while Brian burns from Florida state very sized. And the honestly one of the big numbers to come from this Ed group will be what he weighs in it. There was some talk yesterday. I forget who puts a report out. I don't want to miss site it. But the said he might be in the two forties. That'd be a huge win. Brian. Burns him come in at two forty five that's still under size, but a big step up from where he was listed at and where he played out early in his career. So if Brian burns coming in the two forties and test very well. That'll be a big w for him Jakab polite from Florida I'd put in that same boat as a guy that has an under sized pass rusher that should test. Very well as a very good athlete. But how is he going to come in and weigh in? How's he gonna look physically that was a question about Josh Allen from Kentucky a year ago? So what does he do this off season? He stays in school doesn't enter. The twenty eighteen NFL draft puts on the fifteen twenty pounds. He gets up over two fifty and has a huge season. Now instead of being a fringe first round pick. Now everyone's talking about him in the top five top ten. So that's going to be the big thing with burns and polite is can those guys show that they maintain that athletes is while adding a little bit more weight that's going to be the big thing with all those guys. Honestly, the guy that I think could really solidify himself as a top half of first round player with a great workout this week is Cleveland Farrell from Clemson because honestly when I watch him on films. He's probably a right alongside Nick Bosa as the best technician as a pass rusher, and he uses his hands. Very well. He's got a very well defined plan of attack. He is a high motor those are things that lead to sax in the NFL. The big question. I have Farrell is. You know, how explosive is he shows the fluid to be able to drop and play and coverage. He's done a little bit of that it Clemson. But not a guy that I would say, oh, man. He's a plus athletes. So if he can come here. To Indy on Sunday have a big time workout. Now, you're talking about guy that really kind of solidifies himself. Okay. He's checking a lot of boxes here because he checks the box off the field. His film is very good. If he can say, okay, I'm on a plus athlete. Now, you're going to be hard pressed to say that you're gonna take him behind some of these other pass rushers that we've already talked about so Cleveland Farrell is certainly a guy that I think can can really really help himself. The most this week. I get I would say Brian birds polite concertedly help themselves with their way ins as well. But that's a guy that I expect to really help. So another guy that I was throwing that same boat. It's Charles who from Texas has gained a lot of buzz over the last five six months coming into the season was not really talked about. Remember a lot of people talked a lot about Bryce Hager his teammate at Texas. But we talked on this show a lot about who over the summer guy that has good size. He's got position versatility lineup on either side can also slide inside if you need them to I compared him honestly in my preview to trae flowers. The veteran from the New England Patriots. Who's now hitting the free agent market has been the best defensive lineman for Bill Belichick. And I think when you're looking at a lot of those coaches that have played that have coached under check that need help on the defensive line. You look at Detroit you'll look at Miami. Obviously New England as well. I think who would fit really really well for those teams. So those are all guys that I think can really really help themselves over the course of this week, the Regis do a whole edged segment, and you didn't mention Jalen jokes. I knew that you would bust on me. If I did, I we all know, if you listen to the show, you know, how I feel about Jaylen jobs. He was the guy that I listed as my stop watch. Shocker that. I think is going to kind of make people remember. Oh, yeah. This kid is a quality athlete. I'm excited to see him test this week. Let's get to the D tackles the interior guys. Obviously Quinton Williams is the guy that heads up that group, but who else fits different parts of your criteria on the interior. Yeah. I think, you know, at Oliver, you look at his guy that it will certainly be a workout warrior, right? I mean in terms of the raw numbers, he's gonna post ridiculous athletic testing scores for defensive tackle. The question will be what does he weigh in it? Does he come in at two eighty five and put up great tests numbers? If he does that. I think he's he's a lock now back into that discussion. We initially talked about him, and you know, the top ten top twelve people have been slowly dropping him in these mock drafts has fallen to fourteen to Atlanta's he falling out of the first round in general. I mean, it's kind of crazy because we were just talking about him a year ago as a lock for the number one number two number three. And now we're saying, oh, he might fall out completely Daniel Jeremiah said on his his conference call on Monday that some teams might look. A him as kind of a Melvin Ingram edge player. You stand him up off the edge. So I can't wait to see what Oliver ways in it. I think we'll get that number on Friday. But we'll see what he weighs in it. I expect to test very very well. So we'll see there are a lot of really intriguing athletes on the defensive tackle position in this class and Christian Wilkins is a guy that should test. Very very well across the board Draymond Jones from Ohio State guy. I'm very very intrigued by he's going to test. Really, well, Gerald Willis has an explosive first step kid that really kind of a one year wonder at the college level initially a five star recruit. Landon Collins little brother goes to Florida has issued their transfers to Miami. And again took some time away from the game came back as a senior and now had a huge year and really kind of put himself on the map as a big time prospect. So we'll see what happens with Gerald Willis this week. He would really help himself with a quality workout one got to keep an eye on John Kaminsky from from Charleston, West Virginia D to kid is a really. Oppressive athlete. I mean for a big kid former high school quarterback that showed up. I want to say he was like two fifteen to twenty when he first got to campus. Now, he's like two hundred and eighty five pound defensive lineman was three four this past year. Only had three sacks. And that's the thing that people are kind of crushing them on. You know, it was the lack of production at a lower level of competition. But you watch Kaminsky, and he is just bigger and faster than everybody at that level of competition. Here's a very intriguing developmental player that I would expect to test very well Rennell Rin from Arizona state, another guy that I think will test well this week and really will continue to impress people. Again, slashes really well on film had a really good start to the week at the senior bowl kind of tailed off as the week went on. But was one of the stars of Monday's practice of Tuesday's practice rather? So I think when you look at a lot of these guys you could see why defensive tackles viewed as one of the best positions in this draft. There's a lot of town a lot of guys that should test. Very very well this week. I like it. All right. Let's get to the next position group, and we're talking linebackers friend. Yeah. I looked at the number one guy is Devon white from LSU. He's been compared a lot. So it's a roquan Smith from last year's class out of Georgia. And I could see why I mean, he's built very similarly a lot of the same strengths and weaknesses. You know, just a fireball. I mean the guy just plays with ridiculous urgency and competitiveness from sideline to sideline. He's ridiculously explosive. I love watching Devon white player. He's a ton of fun to watch pretty instinctive kid sometimes can be a little bit reckless with how he approaches the ball. You almost comes in a little bit too hot at times and needs to be able to come in a little bit more patient. So you can break down and finish one on one. But this kid has all the tools you're looking forward to be a three down player in the NFL. So he's the guy I would expect to go. Hi out expect from the test ver- well this week. He's the he's one of the top players in the straffed as we move down the. List? I think you get to some really intriguing players one guy that I think is going to just blow up this event is VO Sean Joseph from Florida. I watched Joseph for the first time last week. He's one of the most gifted athletes in this draft. He's listed to twenty six. That's what he was listed by Florida. So certainly light. We'll see what he comes in at this week. But every athlete trait. You're looking for this kid's got I mean, he can accelerate and decelerate on on-command explosive speed short area burst. He's not standing Blitzer. He can play in reverse not great in coverage. And that's one of the things you want to see he's got all the athlete traits. But does he have the the instincts and the ability to read routes and play the ball? Those are things you want to see from him in coverage. I think a lot of people are interested. See what he looks like in drills this week in that area. But, you know, vote on Joseph a lot of fun. Very physical. Varied stink. Tive? I compared him to tell Vince Smith in my write up of them just because they were built. So similarly, you know, tell us Smith coming out a Florida state of. Few years ago. Yeah, he was small, but when you looked at him on films was really tough really competitive, really instinctive. I see a lot of those same traits with Voshan Joseph another player that I expect opposite test very well is Devon Bush from Michigan. And the kind of the rap on Bush was yeah, he was productive for Michigan very tough instinctive. You can be Mike backer. People don't really talk about his athleticism. I think when you especially when you look at him in a straight line. I mean, he's got that explosive linear athleticism to fly to the football. I am excited to see what he does in the shuttle's in terms of what he looks like laterally, but you know, in a straight line, Devin Bush, I think is really really interesting another guy, that's really athlete because Mak Wilson from Alabama. That's not going to be a question Mark for him. I think really the question with them will be his play recognition. He will fall step times and things like that. That's why we're not talking about him as a top ten top twelve pick. But MAC Wilson athletically, everything you want. He's outstanding in coverage made some grateful as on the ball throughout the course of the career. Some of the best interceptions that I've seen from the linebacker position since I've started evaluating players. So it's a really good group of linebackers in terms of some really intriguing players. It's I think it's kind of getting a bad rap ons across a lot of people say all linebackers, the weakest group in this draft. I don't I don't know that on this surely go that far I think that there are some intriguing players across the board offering a wide variety of skill sets. You know, I was going to ask you that friend because I've seen a bunch of people on Twitter complaining about the linebackers after the top couple of guys saying they're having a real tough time finding any linebackers kind of in the in the middle rounds to really get excited about does. That mean, it's a top heavy drafted. It's lacking depth. What do you think? I mean, I think it's probably. Yeah. It's it's a little bit shallow on death. It's it's certainly not as deep as some of these other positions we've talked about. But I think that there we've seen worse positions. Let's let's say that not. Not necessarily for this year. But in other years, I mean, I know, you know, what was it? Like last year's tight end group. Like, I was struggling to find guys. Like, you know. Yeah, Dow, Scott, it was a stud, but outside of that like I was struggling to find guys to be really excited about I go to I look at this linebacker Ruben we've talked about a handful of the mardi. We talk about Terrel Hanks, we didn't talk about TJ Edwards. We didn't talk about. I'm going through my list here. We didn't talk about meeting Pratt. We talk about the only Taki Taki from BYU guy. That really impressed me. We didn't talk about Gilani survived from Hawaii a favourite of Dame brewer and another guy that I thought would have tested very very, well, it seems like he's not going to test this week. But tha vise is a guy with all all of the physical traits that you were looking for is done so many things for the rainbow warriors over the course of his career. He's played off the edge. He's played in coverage. He's played in the slot. And he's played stacked can rush the passer can play against the run Gilani tonight. I I watched him last week for the first time, and it was blown away by this kid with what he can bring to the field. Dadi Ohka Rica from Stanford is a nice solid to down guy that I think has potential to be a three down player. I mean, it's a solid group. It's it's not it's not a terrible group of linebackers. I think the the junior class certainly helped it, you know, guys like MAC Wilson and Devon white and those guys entering the draft. Evan bush. That's certainly helped it, but. Are there are some intriguing players in this linebacker class? All right. Well, let's move on to the secondary. And we'll start with the corners where I saw Daniel Jeremiah all said that there's a lot of mixed opinions on, greedy Williams. And I'm guessing you know, how. Well, he runs going to be a big part of it. Yeah. And I think really the big question with Williams is just been kind of up and down play. You don't always see the ability to sign the ball late. The ability to send the run and my nose are things that people have put into question with. He's got all the physical tools, so and he's a guy honestly that I expect to comment and look good at this event. I do expect him to test. Well, so we'll see what he does over the course of this week and health his stock. There are few guy. Honestly, the corner group is where I think there's the most grounded game for some of these guys. I mean, I think players can certainly help themselves the most in this group because it's it's really it's mixed opinions across the board. I mean, you know, I look at from an athletics. Stamp point some guys that can really help themselves. Kendall Sheffield from Ohio State tape was very up and down. But this kid's a world class athlete. I mean, he set a number of records coming out of high school, you know, in terms of his ability to run track also ran track at Ohio State. He's got it stood out to me when I was studying Denzel word last year. Just with the way that he moved in that Ohio State secondary. So kindle Sheffield has got to keep an eye on Jimmy dean from Auburn Ohio State transfer started his career there has a number of knee injuries in his career. So that's going to be something that he's going to have to work through from a medical standpoint. Like the DB's get here. So the DB's would get here on Saturday. So that hold probably going through his medicals on Sunday. So L deans can have a big day Sunday just kind of going through all that making sure that everything is clear with that knee. But outside of that. I mean, he's a world class athlete as well. I mean, some of the times that he is posted throughout the course of his career have been really really impressive. So keep an eye on Djamil dean if he were to test Julian love from. My name is a guy that isn't getting a lot of buzz right now. But was really really productive over the course of his career a three or flair for the Irish who posted five picks thirty nine pass breakups. That's really good numbers over three years. I think that's a guy to kind of keep an eye on a contest. Well, I think that he can really help himself. Byron Murphy from Washington like most Washington corners. He's gonna come in a little bit light. I think a lot of people are interested to see what he comes in. He was listed at one eighty two. You'd like to see him come up, you know, a little bit over one ninety NC if he can get over that benchmark, but on film, I really enjoy watching this kid play he's athletic. He's really scrappy and competitive, he's got the mindset to play on the boundary. He's a player that I really was intrigued by watching him on film, the player that a lot of people are starting to really gain ground on dang. Jeremiah is one of them is John Williams from Vanderbilt. I mean, he's listed six three to await rare size cornerback spot. And you know, he's got the ability to. Find the ball down the field. I mean there there are some plays. He made on the football that I thought were really really impressive. And I'll tell you what he doesn't run like two hundred eight Tom corner. I mean, if he can come out and just has to put a solid workout in terms of just abroad numbers post. You know, if you can run low four fives. Hi, four force the I mean, that's that that's going to be a huge win for John Williams. So to me when I look at this quarterback class, and I have mentioned like is like the Andre Baker who has kind of been billed as a as a first round pick throughout the course of the process. You know, if these guys can come and whoever kind of posts, a great workout, I think it's going to try and set themselves apart. And I think this is the position where the combines to clear some things up in this cornerback class in terms of how people view them in terms of mock drafts and top fifties, big boards and things like that. It's going to really kind of clarify some things at that position. Fringe system. I thought was interesting about Washington corners always coming in late. Why is that? I think that might just be you know, kind of what they like the position they may not stress. The fact that those guys need to be really big. I think that was a big thing with Sidney Jones when he came out. Right. Was you know, I think he was listed like one seventies. When he was when he was playing there. So I think when you look at the those Washington corners typically, they they have been a little bit light. That's interesting. I didn't know that before by the way before we get to the safeties. I should mention bed online dot AG. In fact, I have to mention and I need to because it's awesome. If you want to start to make Fettes fun, even bet on combine performances over a bed online AG if you're into that kind of thing, certainly you can go ahead, and you can go to bed online that AG. Use the promo code podcast one. Get a fifty percent. Welcome bonus fifty percent. Welcome owes bed on the couch performances bet on the draft. But on the af or if you're in the college hoops NBA cetera, you can bet on that as well. Fed online dot AG. Just make sure you use that promo code podcast one frame. What do you have on the safeties to wrap this up? This was the one of the last position groups I studied and a lot of juniors that I hadn't. Got to yet. I love the senior group shaped he's and we we talked about that at the senior bowl Jonathan Abram one Thornhill just the rest of that group. I was really really impressed with the senior group of safety. So I was excited to get to the junior class. And I got there were some really intriguing players. I mean Taylor rap from Washington is a guy that I actually listed as my top pick. I I love Taylor rap. Great tackler smart instinctive coverage player started playing in the Nichols, a true freshman. He's really tough the question that people have is you know, is the explosive enough as he ranging up to play sideline to sideline. Kenny be a true post players free safety in the middle of the field. But outside of that like I got no concerns about Taylor rap. I think he could play in the slot. I think he can play down near the last scrimmage. He's today's strong safety in the NFL. I think he can play in coverage in terms of being able to play man to man, he could certainly be too high guy. Phenomenal run defender. Great Blitzer outstanding kid away from the field hard work or kind of a self-made kid coming out of high school. Teams may view him differently across the league. But it would shock me at all Taylor rap snuck into the first round. He's a guy I'm really really excited about. But then you get across across the scope of this thing. I mean guys I expect a test. Well, Chauncey Gardiner Johnson was basically a slot quantity. He say he is. He was a slot corner. For Florida this year didn't play in their base defense. But always lined up in the slot. Really been he arrived on. On campus as a corner, and you know, this is a guy that has the athletes this meal play plays with an edge. Good blitzer? Tough run-defender instinctive coverage players well like I said can play the ball in the air. I was impressed with Chauncey garner Johnson. He went toe to toe with deebo Samuel in that South Carolina game it and had a number really impressive reps. One guy xpected test. Very well. Jonathan abor from Mississippi State, really explosive. I've described in the past kind of a heat seeking missile fluid hip, strong recovery speed easy, change direction skills. You know, he should be one of the top testers at the safety position as well. You know, a guy that again that I think that you can do everything you want from an athletic standpoint. I would put one Thornhill from Virginia in that same boat. Very productive over the course of his college career. I've compared them on this podcast numerous times to Eddie Jackson, former corner, I think he's going to test. Very very well. There's a lot of interesting guys. I mean, a Monte hook. From Iowa as a player who's you know, he'd been a strong safety course was career plays a linebacker for half of his final season there with the Hawkeyes this past year. So, you know for teams now that are kind of looking at like, what can I do for me in sub package, we'll kind of role can you play? You know, I think of taro Edmonds last year who was a surprise first round pick for the for the Pittsburgh Steelers coming out of Virginia Tech. I'm only hookers similar kind of player. I actually I also compare them to guy like Patrick Chung as well. You know, a guy that can just be a smart coverage player in the middle of the field. Maybe not a true matchup guy on the perimeter. Maybe not a true center fielder in the as a free safety. But as the guy if you're a heavy sub package team, and you like playing with multiple safety plan them in the slot. Flying them in in the short intermediate zones. I think Monty Hooker can play that role and play it. Well, I would say the same thing about guys like marquees Blair from Utah. About Richard Gant early Gant, rather from Marshall Maliki is really physical, really. A really aggressive over the middle of the field. Just one of the notes I put up he's got no conscience as a hitter. Whether it's down down downhill run. Whether it's receivers crossing over the middle of the field. One of the biggest hitters that I've watched in this draft class. And then one guy that I think will surprise people's Evan Worthington from Colorado any other year. I think Worthington would would have been at the senior bowl would have been talked about as one of the top senior safeties in the class. But since it's such a deep group he's kind of slipped through the cracks a little bit was at the east west shrine game. He was one of my favorite prospects down there. I think he's flying a little bit under the radar, but he's athletic versatile kid that I can do a lot of things in today's league. So those would be some safeties that I'll be keeping my eye on this week. Make sure your phone friend on Twitter at three that is the way to get at friend. You can always catch eagle eye in the sky podcast. He's got the jury of the draft podcast posted all kinds of stuff over Philadelphia Eagles dot com. 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OchoLive: Tank Talk | Late March | NFL Rule Changes

Blogging the Boys

18:25 min | 2 years ago

OchoLive: Tank Talk | Late March | NFL Rule Changes

"Hey listeners we're in the heat of one of the greatest sports events of the year. You guessed it March madness. And the best place to stay on top of all the NCAA tournament. Coverage CBS sports HQ, what is CBS foretaste Q. It is the free twenty four hour sports network. That's built for fans just like you from nonstop highlights to news and analysis. CBS sports HQ got you covered checkout. CBS sports HQ. It is always on always free not to pay subscription fee or have an expensive cable package. Download the CBS sports app on your phone fire TV Roku or apple TV start watching today. None of the Murray. What up world? Welcome to another episode of Ocho live presented you in partnership as always with us in Asians, blogging, the boys dot com. My name are Joe Joe, you know, me, of course, from BT B A and from right here as you're humble owes Don OJ live. You can watch our live shows every Tuesday and Thursday at approximately three PM central time. You go watch on my Twitter or periscope. That's at our Joa. You can also watch a long live on the blog on the boys. Facebook live feed, those are Tuesdays and Thursdays. You can listen to podcast only versions of the show on Mondays. Wednesdays and Fridays. We do podcast the live shows as well. So there is at least one podcast in your blog of the boys podcast feed everyday. Speaking of you should subscribe to the blog on the voice podcast feed is available on all major podcast platforms. Simply search for blog on the boys. And there you will get access to all of our different shows over a BB espionage home for Cowboys content. We have a variety of shows. We have some good times we have some interesting times, and we want you to be a part of them. It is hump day. Happy hump day. Wednesday, March twenty seven two thousand nineteen is when we are recording. This particular installment of Ocho I've, and I just wanted to say, I hope you're having a great day. I hope that you are having a fantastic twenty four hour period, whatever's going on your in your life. I hope it is exactly what you wanted to be. And and nothing less. That's what you deserve. It's a Wednesday, which means survivors on I'm very excited about that. But it is a Wednesday in the off season because it is a day. That means the Dallas Cowboys news is running amuck. So the big thing to come out of Wednesday. In terms of Cowboys news, isn't really news. It's old news. But it is still new nonetheless Calvin Watkins of the athlete had a great ride up on Wednesday about the DeMarcus Lawrence situation with the Cowboys apparently shocker here the Cowboys or a little bit low when it came to their offer for a long term contract for DeMarcus Lawrence or to democracy. I should say. And apparently, you know d laws camp and delays agent. They didn't like that Akao. He's came to a point where they thought everything was kosher. And that was not the case. And so this is a battle of negotiations. This is a battle of we ask for some you offer. Some we ask for more, you offer a little bit, more, etc. Is it good that this contractual battle is playing out in front of the world? No. I mean that that isn't good objectively is it terrible. No. It's not this is this is business. Unfortunately, this is the way that things roll our own Danny phantom had a great ride up about this over to be. If you want to head over to the log on the woods dot com and get caught up and Dan brought up something really interesting. You know, this feels like, and you might agree with this. You might not. But this feels bigger than any contractual dispute. The Cowboys have had in recent memory for some reason, the DeMarcus Lawrence thing looms a little larger. And maybe it's the fact that he was franchise tag two years in a row, and that kind of adds to the whole situation for whatever reason it does kind of have that five. However, I mean when was the last time we saw the Cowboys in any sort of contractual dispute, whether you know, totally peaceful or with some confrontation involved in confrontations out of bed. Thing that doesn't mean there's bad blood between the team and the player when was the last time we saw that resolved quickly. I mean, you know, in recent memory, I can't believe it's been four years, but the Dez Bryant franchise tag situation when all the way to the deadline. Did it not all the way to July? You know, something that I thought was interesting that Dan brought up was when tyrant Smith and Travis Frederick got their deals. We all thought. Okay. This makes sense especially because Travis Frederick God. His the exact same time the tyrants Smith, did obviously, you know, both players got their long term contract entering their fourth season. Which is you know, when you can start negotiating with guys. And so we thought that that was going to happen with Zack Martin right after twenty four hundred fifteen and sixteen we all thought going into training camp in two thousand seventeen. This is win Zack Martin is going to get his deal because that was exactly when Travis Frederick got his that was exactly when DeMarcus Lawrence got his. So, of course, not democracy. It's excuse me. Thailand. Smith, again, we go one take only on July of we. We don't miss. Around because it is live, obviously, some sort of it's such a pie only you get the picture anyway, Tyron Smith and Travis Frederick both got their contracts are long term contracts entering their fourth season. So we all thought that would be the case with Zack Martin in two thousand seventeen that did not happen. And a lot of people were a little bit put off by that. A lot of people are really scared Zack Martin played the entire two thousand seventeen season still on his rookie deal. And in fact, we all this time of year ago while DeMarcus Lawrence was a situation that's still needed to be addressed. Then we all thought. Okay. Cow cowboys. Gotta get Zack Martin locked up. Long-term? That's got to happen. That's really important. It's good done. It's going to. Let's get it done that did not happen until June of last year. And it feels like it happened forever ago. And sometimes it can feel that way, but that was only June of twenty eighteen that was June of his fifth season. And so I think that that says a lot and that says at the very least the Cowboys, nor contracts in the NFL as a whole are predictable or can be calculated or can be measured or can be regulated or can be. Anything each one is unique is a lame and his cliches that sounds and you have to treat it as such. And if that's what we're dealing with with this DeMarcus Lawrence adjudication now, there are a lot of hindsight truth. There is a lot of people who are saying or you see what happens when you franchise tag de LA if you had just given him the long term contract a year ago, you know, we wouldn't be having to have this issue. He would be under contract for less seventeen million a year, whatever because the the discussions are about twenty twenty two and a half million dollars per year. Would it be better to have paid DaMarcus on seventy million dollars a season versus twenty or twenty two and a half Dutt? Nobody disagrees with that. However, there was legitimate logic to franchise tacking him a year ago. I mean, if you rewind all we knew about democracy Lawrence entering two thousand eighteen was that he had had a stellar two thousand seventeen season. He had had a great two thousand fifteen season opposite of Greg hardy, but that was it. We also know that he had a suspension issue. We also knew that he had injury issues. So there was legitimate and justified trepidation regarding DaMarcus Lawrence the Cowboys. You know, they they put a bluff up and DaMarcus once called them on it. Good for him. I mean, that's really all this oils down to is the Cowboys challenged him by virtue of the franchise tag said look, man, we're not sure we don't know what this is. We don't know if we buy whatever and that was fair go prove it and to DeMarcus Lawrence's credit to only his credit all the credit in the world goes to him. He did it. And now, you're between a rock and hard place. And so the Cowboys have to figure this out. But I don't think that anybody should be freaking out because it's not being done in March. Because again Zack Martin situation drew to June a year ago the Dez Bryant situation drew to July four years ago. This is just the way business gets done in the NFL. Now, obviously, there's the detail of democracy says lingering surgery, pending surgery, and that does complicate matters a little bit. But for whatever reason, I'm not panicked over this. I really am not. I'm not freaking out to the Cowboys. Aren't going to get this done with DeMarcus Lawrence? I feel confident that they're trending in a right direction with this. I feel confident that they have some flexibility you from a salary cap perspective, especially based on the free agents that they signed. So I'm not sweating this at all personally, that's my own personal opinion. But I do think it's interesting. And if you're a Dak Prescott supporter opposite doesn't pertain to you. But this argument that well if we had just paid DeMarcus once a year ago, we wouldn't be in this situation right now that is a really ironic thing to hear from people who do not want to pay Dak Prescott. And I don't mean to turn this into a Dak needs to get paid diatribe because we're not at all in you that although it would not be shocking to see deck at his extension this offseason. In fact, I would expect it kind of feels logical certainly from what we've heard from the Cowboys, but that's the same exact logic. I mean, I do think that hindsight plays a role in the de LA situation because we know that he was a beast in two thousand eighteen the same logic applies to deck if you wait. Pay him. You're going to have to pay more. That's the way business works. That's the same argument you're making a DeMarcus Lawrence, and so it makes sense to get back Prescott contract done. It was reported on Wednesday morning. The Philadelphia Eagles are looking to get Carson Wentz. Locked up long-term good for them. Good for us. But I think the Dak Prescott in that situation are identical in terms of the philosophy behind it. And so if you are anti paying Dak you need to accept that that dude is going to get paid. And the sooner it happens, the better, I think I even wrote something about this a few weeks ago over a BT be. But you know, it is what it is moving on Tuesday evening brought forth. Some news across the NFL. And obviously it affects the entire league regarding pass interference in terms of things that are challengeable obviously offensive defensive pass interference can now be challenged canal. Be reviewed there's all sorts of small funny. Details about twenty minutes and whatnot. But the gist of the situation is that this change is being made in order to avoid what happened in the NFC championship against the New Orleans Saints. And you know, what that's a good thing. I will say that. I am not a fan of. I it's not that. I don't like this rule change. But I'm not a fan of you know, reactive moves. I'm not a fan of you know, because this happened we have to react because this rule change is a direct reaction in a direct reflection off of what we saw happen to the saints. And while the change may be just and the change maybe overdue in the change may be necessary. You can certainly make that argument to me. I do not like that. It's happening specifically because we saw it with a trip to the Super Bowl on the line. Now again, it did affect the team one of the Super Bowl. And that's why it's a big deal. But what it reminds me of you know, there's a lot of discussion about overtime in the NFL. And it reminds me coincidentally of a different game involving the saints the two thousand nine NFC championship game when they. One against the Minnesota Vikings and Braff Farr steam, and that was when overtime change it was after that game that the NFL owners went into a room and said, man, we can't have this. We can't have teams not touch the ball. We got to change in. That was when overtime change to what we know it to be now ten years later. And so I'm not a fan of direct reaction like that. I'm I'm a fan of more proactive moves something something, for example, like every turnover being subject to review without having to be challenged. That's a great proactive decision. I'm a big fan of that. I'm not a fan of cause and effect rule changes. And that's kind of where we're at with this particular change. Now will this affect the cow was who knows man. I mean, it could affect the Cowboys the same way that affect any other NFL team. But now we're on the cusp of the overtime rules to get back on my soapbox a little bit being changed again. Why specifically because of what we saw in the AFC championship game. You know, nobody I shouldn't say nobody. But the. Know outcry for overtime. You know needed to be changed was a lot lot less prior to patent Mahomes. Not touching the ball in overtime against the New England Patriots. So I just I this is my two cents on it. I'm not a fan of you know, 'cause effect boom. I'm a fan of. Hey, man. Let's look at this. Let's look at data. Let's look it everything objectively what what could be better. And I think that that's a that's how I like to do things at least in my life. So I do find find that just to whatever. But I'm a fan of the change. That's ons contradictory given everything I just said, I think it's interesting, especially that coaches still have the same number of challenges that certainly makes the whole thing a little bit more complicated. It will be fascinating. Because I think we all can agree that at some point a coach is going to challenge that there was a pass interference on a hail Mary tie play near the end of the game. He's going to pick it out. Get his ball on the one yard line in his team's going to win the game. And then that Monday morning. Everybody's going to be talking about. How this rule was mistake. You can almost sense it coming from a mile away. So that's that I will say not related to the Cowboys. But I heard something fascinating. I believe it was on the around the NFL podcast, which is my personal favorite podcasts that the Pittsburgh Steelers? Mike Tomlin has not won a challenge in two years. That is amazing. I can't verify that myself, but assuming that's true that is absurd. And so, you know, when you consider the track record of some coaches when it comes to challenges. I mean who knows if this really will play that large of a role. That's just kinda how things things tend to work out. But other other Cowboys news really has kind of slowed here in the third week free agency DeMarcus Lawrence is dominating all of the headlines. It is worth pointing out. I think that taco Charlton has been a bit active on social media as of late. This is something that Tony Casillas, and I talked about on the seven five oh going off of Twitter and Instagram and all sorts of social media. Oh, he's been working with Molly Collins, and Rashawn Gary his fellow Michigan wolverine and and Bradley Chubb last year's rookie sensation for the Denver Broncos. So good for Toco because all of this discussion and everything concerning the Cowboys state of their pass rushing defensive van group. Is going to need him. I mean top those going to be very critical member of the two thousand nine hundred dollars Cowboys, whether you want to believe it or not whether you want to accept it or not I know everybody has their their thoughts and their opinions when it comes to the two thousand seventeen first round draft pick for the Cowboys. But he is going to be essential. I mean to what they wanna do whether democracy lawns is. They're happier disgruntled or whatever with Randy Gregory suspended indefinitely as of now with Tyrone Crawford at the very least under investigation from the NFL. I it will be taco will be vital. I mean to put it bluntly. So yeah. So that about does it for Wednesday's episode show. Live a few minor things. Non college related things did a podcast with the PIN. San Antonio James pledge my Saturday morning hangover co host when and talk to Girona Elliott San Antonio commanders linebacker. We went and talked to him at practice got some some good stuff from him. So that's available. It's on my Twitter feed if you need to link, he's a cool guy certainly was associated. The cowboys. There had a Cup of coffee. He's a great guy. Great member of the commanders. That's a lot of fun Thursday. We will have a live show live. Oh, Joe live. So make sure you tune in for that. We'll probably have a new episode of the seven five as well. And if you are a Senate Tonio, local or even if you're not this Friday, I'll be filling in on the blitz on ESPN essay. It'll be me. And rob Thompson Robertson, I will be out live at slackers. The northstar location that is actually the same location where I want rock the mic. So it's got some good memories. For me. If you're not local you can always listen to the SPN, essay dot com. So that about does it for Wednesday enjoy survivor because I know you watch it because you're a good person. Enjoy your dinner. Enjoy your breakfast on Thursday and have the best Wednesday in the best Thursday of your life. You know, why? Because you deserve it. We will see you Magnon. My friends is always go Cowboys empty out. My name is Spencer hall by name is Jason Kurt. My name is Ryan nanny combined. We form the shutdown full stride. Keep telling you this forecast is technically a college football podcast. But it's also a show about on care disaster regional grocery stores. We live Tennessee Batman homeowners associations bears in video games. Pittsburgh. Batman the hell of being drafted a group. Text unreliable legal advice. I mean, there's also some actual football discussion about coaches, having huge contracts or coaches making terrible decisions or coaches, saying really stupid things or the NC double as saying released. Yeah, there's lots of stupid things in this big dome. Beautiful sport time Arkansas decided to use a captured feral hog as a mascot and it escaped and they wound up killing seven rattlesnakes a pig and a Coyote. 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'Valentine's Views' podcast: Green Bay Packers enter new era

Big Blue View

22:59 min | 1 year ago

'Valentine's Views' podcast: Green Bay Packers enter new era

"Are you troubled by strange hockey trades in the middle of the night do you experienced feelings dread about N._H._l.. Free Agency have you or your family ever seen in New York islanders game. If the answer is yes then don't wait another minute. Pick up your mobile device and subscribe to Lighthouse Hockey podcasts from espy nation today our courteous inefficient hosts are ready to serve all of your islander needs and worries lighthouse hockey podcasts for New York islanders fans hello New York giants fans in welcome to a new addition of the Valentine's Clinton's views podcast here on big blue radio part of the S._p.. Nation family of PODCASTS. I'm your host Ed Valentine of Big Blue View. Today's show is going to be one where we continue previewing viewing the giants two thousand and nineteen opponents and up today will be the Green Bay packers and here to help us break down the packers will be Jason. Her Shorn who writes rates for espionage Acne Packing Company also writes for Espy Nation Dot Com and does some work for N._F._l.. Dot Com as well Jason. Thank you very much for joining me today at the be here Ed Hey okay so let's get right into this with the with the Green Bay packers things have changed a little bit and the the landscape for the the Green Bay packers over the last couple of years new head coach a little bit of a new philosophy. You're coming out of the front office in terms of how to deal with free agency and things like that so you know let's let's start here with with generic question. We're heading into training camp shortly. It's been a different off season for green bay coming off a six nine in one season a year ago. Do you feel optimistic. Paestum pessimistic or are you sort of on the fence about what what will see from the packers as we had to training camp will optimistic in the sense of them improving upon that twenty eighteen final record though that might not be the same as saying that they're definitely that'd be a playoff team. I think there's a lot of questions to be answered there in terms of their head coach Higher Matla floor he comes from a scheme that has proven success in the N._F._l.. So I don't have a lot of love questions about what they plan to do. schematically my questions Sir about the person who is implementing those changes. We really have not seen a lot of mettler floor as a coordinator has two years. Only one isn't often to play caller now that year was this past season with Tennessee titans and there are a lot of mitigating factors that might explain some efficiencies that they had but ultimately doesn't answer questions just excuses potentially <hes> some of those shortcomings so I think there are a lot of real questions about mantle floors ability to be a head coach at this stage in his career and his ability to sell sell not just Aaron Rodgers but that entire team on his vision for what the Green Bay packers are so I wanted to get into with you wanted to get into the la- Fleur Rogers Dynamic and you sort of headed that way we've we've seen from the outside some concern about lefleur maybe taking some of the responsibility or some of the freedom that Rogers has had in the past at the line of scrimmaged perhaps taking taking some of that away from him as Green Bay implements a new system. What are your thoughts on that dynamic at this point in? Are you at all concerned about it. I don't think anyone should be presented. Concerned right now both sides. I tip said this is going to be a work in progress as they enter training camp and as they enter the preseason. It's something that they're still figuring out where the compromise should be in the past as you mentioned Aaron Rodgers head the autonomy to change any eighth line of scrimmage rich to virtually anything else he could do with personnel on the field that seems highly likely to be the case under Matt Leflore but there are strategic reasons for that in this scheme and the way that is in it has been implemented recently with Kyle Shanahan with the San Francisco for narrative previously Atlanta the Falcons and Sean mcvay with Los Angeles Rams. It's very important to get to the line of scrimmage quickly. Get Your play-set quickly and enforce the defense to adjust so having a lot of these audibles just eats into that play clock and as the packers have seen in recent years under Mike McCarthy was this was McCarthy's Walter Rodgers they that play clock often got down to to you know one sometimes zero seconds and that really helps the defense really lets them key in on when they should start rushing the passer and that negatively impacts the often so getting to the line of scrimmage faster not audible in completely out of a play at there is going to be an audible control that Rogers has he at a minimum the building switch from the play. That's called to a different play from the same. Same set in the same personnel grouping those things can still happen but it's going to be a lot faster of an audible. If it goes that way my guess is that he rogers was gonNA end up with a little more autonomy than that but not nearly as much as he had under McCarthy. It's really interesting to look at Rogers and to look at the change in the Green Bay offense. We saw in New York when the giants brought in Ben mcadoo as head coach Ben came to the giants from the Green Bay system from the McCarthy system and I think that what we saw in New York with mcadoo was I think we saw the limitations in many ways of that system because in a lot of ways it seems like that system was a sort of simplistic one that basically relied on Aaron rodgers to make Aaron Rodgers kind of plays to make the system work the way that the that did sometimes in Green Bay obviously Eli Manning did not have the escape ability or the the arm strength of Aaron Rodgers so he couldn't do those Aaron Rogers type things and I guess it's a long winded way for me of getting around to asking you. Are you really looking forward to seeing being what Rogers can do a new system for the I really first time in his career and what this Green Bay offense ultimately looks like old definitely interesting as someone who covers the sport because there are a lot of things that these systems do have in common but the way they manipulate defenses is very different as you mentioned in McCarthy's offense. If you WANNA be overly simplistic it was about creating the best match ups possible between your pass catchers offers or you're running back to the if that's the case and the defensive players assigned to cover them or or the zone coverage assigned to slow them down. This offense tries to manipulate that even very different way he uses play action is such a heavy component opponent misdirection that really tries to move the linebackers more than eight of their position group out of position to create larger passing windows so it's other the matchups don't matter but it's at you're trying to really create these bigger windows through which Rogers or wherever the quarterback that can pass through and that creates more opportunities to take deep shots down the field more efficient versions of that then we've seen in the past from the packers so on paper makes a lot of sense with they're going to do but as I mentioned earlier. I don't have issues with the scheme. I think we've seen it proven at the N._F._l.. Level especially these versions of the Kyle Shanahan the Sean McVeigh versions of that Mike Shanahan Gary Kubiak offense. It's how is it going to be implemented in Green Bay because there's a lot of variety within that scheme it just look at Kyle Shanahan in Sean mcvay. They were to assistance on the same staff in Washington. They spent a significant amount of their career together and the scheme in terms of the playbook is probably pretty close to one to one but when you see the weights executed by those coaches McVeigh's spent the last two years almost exclusively at eleven personnel. I believe he's used more eleven personnel than I think any other team in the N._F._l.. Whereas you have Kyle Shanahan who uses it very little use a lot more twenty-one and twelve personnel groupings again same scheme but the limitation is very different so how is metal floor going to take the bones of that offense a construct something of his own? Is it gonNA look more like Shanahan's he'll look more like McVeigh's GonNa look like something different altogether but based off the same same concepts. That's what's most interesting to me heading into the twenty nineteen season. Hey Jason before we move completely off the the fluor Rogers sort of Green Bay coaching staff topic wanted to ask ask you Mike McCarthy was was Green Bay head coach for I don't even for a long long time. I can't even remember exactly what year he <hes> he took the job initially. Did you agree or did you feel like you know at tail end of last season that it was time for the packers to move on from McCarthy yet. It seems like that regime had run its course. I always surprised that he was fired in the middle of the season. That was not something I was prepared for. I I think a lot is expected the change to happen after the final game of the regular season but just McCarthy being removed as packers head coach seem pretty inevitable about halfway through the air okay. 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In terms of free agent spending the packers had dipped into free agency before but it was always in a very specific way twenty fourteen for example probably their last big big free agent dip their biggest expenditure was Julius peppers player that had been released by another team and therefore didn't count against the compensatory formula. That's the way the packers by and large had approach free agency during the head Thompson era clearly that has changed changed under new G._M.. Brian Gouda cons. They spent a not one not to three pretty big free agents to defensively impressed in entered Areas Smith. Those are the ones that are getting most of the headlines and for obvious reasons the packers defense it was pretty atrocious over the course of the last few years and bringing in pass rushers like those two will go these some way towards fixing that problem different approach for <hes> for Green Bay. I'm sure made the off-season made free agency a little bit more interesting and a little bit more exciting certainly different to cover right like in the past <hes> writers like myself. Could we wouldn't take the first week free agency off but it was not a period of time in which we were prepared or had to prepare to do a lot live work. It was mostly about here. Here's what's happening elsewhere in the N._F._l.. That obviously changed in two thousand nineteen. The packers were if not the biggest free agent spender amongst the very highest and look. It's it's for a lot of reasons. I don't know that this means going forward. The packers are always going to spend a lot of money and free agency. I think this might just be reflective of the deficiencies. They had on defense especially going into this offseason but Ted Thompson probably would not have approach team building this way with the same squad if he were still the general manager so I I think this is in some way still a sea change. Let's look at the at the Green Bay draft for a minute wanted to ask you. Your first pick in the in the first round was was defensive end Rashawn Gerry out of Michigan. He's a guy who was connected to the giants quite a bit in the pre-draft build up. Just your thoughts on what you've seen. I'm from Gary so far in what you think he might bring to the packers all we haven't seen much on any rookies anywhere across the because training camp is hasn't even begun yet so it's really about looking at the fits on paper and looking at the player valuation was coming out of College. rashawn Gerry was one of the most physically gifted prospects in this draft class but there's a reason why it was a bit of a surprise that Gary ended up coming off the Board at twelve he was out unproductive in Michigan but certainly did not live up to his billing as the number one recruit coming out of high school and that's that's part of the question Green Bay is he going to blossom now in the N._F._l.. May Be removed from Don Brown's evens which is one of the best defense in the N._F._l.. Or in college football but is maybe a little more restrictive than an what he will deal with Green Bay with under my pen. There's also concerns about his shoulder. He may not need surgery at some point on it and it's also about what is his role going to be early on his career now. The packers have said he's going to start out at linebacker. I it's a base three or four different so that that is a pass rush position but Preston Smith entered Area Smith the two players of the packers signing this offseason to play that role also at some point or going to kicking side as well especially the area Smith who did that. A lot in Baltimore is Sean Gerry going to also do that. He certainly has the body tie for it or the packers. GonNa say he's a rookie. We don't want wants to give him all of these new things to learn at once. Let's restrict his role so that he can really master that part of it and then move onto other things in future seasons right now. We don't know the answer to those questions but Rashawn Gary you just based on the death. Dr Is going to to play some kind of a significant role for the packers this year they simply don't have enough depth not to play the number twelve overall back so as you mentioned Jason we are heading up on training camp around the N._F._l.. Here pretty pretty quickly one of the topics that we've been discussing here on the Valentine's views podcast a little bit throughout the off-season is the growing tendency around the N._F._l.. If we're teams to to stay day at their home facilities to pretty much limit fan access to training camps the packers are an exception to that sort of trend end. Just I'm just curious. Tell folks a little bit about the way the packers run training camp in maybe couple of the of maybe your favorite things about <hes> about training camp for the packers well for as. Longs I've been covering the team. The packers have approached training camp pretty much the same way it's always in Green Bay. I know like decades ago. They used to move around but he's been in Green Bay for a long time now. Almost all the days are open especially early on to the fans into the media it in that sense of very welcoming environment certainly relative to what a lot of the other N._F._l.. Teams do which is as you mentioned more restrictive or increasingly restrictive <hes> the packers also have have with a call family night which despite the name is actually an open practice and used to be open scrimmage. That's probably the biggest change <hes> during my time covering the team a used to be a full on scrimmage safe for contact with the quarterbacks backs after I believe it was twenty thirteen switch that to more of a in pads practice so while they're still contacted. It's no longer live action in the same way but still the the packers training camp is very open in just about anybody who wants to take the tractor Green Bay can see them in action all right Jason. I think I have pretty much two more questions for you here. The first thing that I wanted to do is get your assessment on the the <hes> on the N._F._C. North on your division. You're looking at a pretty good bears team. You're looking at at the Vikings. Just just your assessment of what of what the division looks like well well. The three teams at the top of the division. Don't seem to be all that separated at least on paper those wings exact ones you mentioned <hes> the bears Vikings and the packers. I think that's reflected in the Vegas over unders. All of them are at nine or nine and a half wins the difference obviously the bears who won the division last year come in with certainly the most momentum and the most hype around them their recent to think that that might regress they were a very healthy eighteen throughout two thousand eighteen in a way that seems unlikely to persist into twenty nine thousand nine hundred necessarily GonNa be devastated by injuries. We can't say that but it does seem that they're not going to be as lucky as they were last year and that that is going to bring them back towards the center a little bit the Vikings on the other hand though with a lot more injuries they seem likely to improve and the packers in addition just to the offseason moves they made out with a coaching staff and with their personnel they dealt with a fair amount of injuries last year too two and if the new scheme is even a modest improvement in the defense income closer to the middle of the pack they should also being contention for that division crown. My guess is two teams. Come Out of this division with playoff. I obviously the division champion I would predict at this point. That's the bear still but I I'm not as confidence that as I would have been prior to free agency in the draft and honestly until we see more from what this packers office is going to be in my inclination to lean towards Minnesota because they have such a talented Rosser top to bottom even if you have questions about the quarterback which I do in Kirk Cousins I. I still think there's so much going there until the packers established that offense offense is rolling. I'm not ready to predict them to win a blaffer and my last question for you Jason is about the The New York giants just your impression from the outside of the off season that the giants have had in the kind of team that you think the giants might be in the two thousand nineteen season. I did not understand a lot of what the giants did this offseason the the Odell Oh Beckham trade seemed misguided. Although I do like Heaven Zeiler the offensive Lineman they got in return though not to degree that I think it mitigates the loss of Odell Beckham and like apparently the rest of N._F._l.. Media I did not understand the decision to draft. Daniel Jones six overall or a really anywhere in the first round if you think that he'd be a franchise quarterback it's fine to take him at six. That's not necessarily issue. I just do not believe that he can be a franchise quarterback players with that sort of background tend to not develop in the N._F._l.. Into starters let alone true franchise tilting players but this is the decision that the giants have gone with. They're going to pay our SAQUON Barkley. Daniel L. Jones if not immediately soon the season with a bunch of tilted weapons. I think that the giants do have a lot of those but I'm not sure how well they all fit together. Lot of those whiteout seemed to be better suited for the slot. They can't all play there. I'm exactly sure how they plan to utilize Evan Evan Ingram. WHO's also basically slot receiver is a lot of questions that at least at this time I don't feel we can answer well? We will find out as the season on Foltz how well things go for both the packers and the giants and hopefully when the two teams meet the game will actually have meaning for both sides Jason. I thank you very very much for spending some time with me before you go. Why don't you tell folks where they can where they can find your work on the different platforms where they can find John Twitter and and all of that will you can find me on twitter at by Underscore J. B. H.? You can find my work. ESPY NATION DOT COM ACME PACKING COMPANY DOT COM N._F._l.. Dot Com. I freelance other places well so if you follow me on twitter you'll you'll mo- most likely find myself Jason. Thank you very much in. We will probably talk to you again now when it so when it's time to to preview packers giants in the regular season.

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