37 Burst results for "Ransom"
Fresh update on "ransom" discussed on Lori and Julia
"I was always naked. Yeah, I I liked it. I appreciate it. I dad I wish I had done that. He'd make it now. That is one thing that she's in a thong on just on a short but Neil and gotten a picture. Yeah, good in the books. You know, that's one thing I would want And when you're on instagram checking out Chelsea Handler's pasty is Don't forget to look at the lorry and Julia Instagram to see what's your character's name. Limit. Belcher Okay, runs this website called Loop Loop. So look for those that's those were the highlights of Instagram. Today, TMZ is reporting that they had the LAPD thinks that Lady gaga as dogs were targeted for being Lady Gaga's dogs because they looked at the video, and they're like there's no way That it was dark and the car was driving. There's no way they could just say, Oh, hey, look, Those are some valuable dogs in their car. Basically like there they are just like they were watching. And some guy was around the corner, and these guys were staking out when this guy was going to take the dogs out for Pena poo. It was a targeted dog nappies so horrible. Our friend Sandy was like she's trying to figure out you. It's almost a movie the crooks Trying to figure out she offers the half a million before the demand ransom. Right? Right. Right, right. No. How do you not get caught?.
WandaVision Episode 7 Breakdown
"All right. I was excited about this because as we were texting i was literally going. I knew it. I knew it throughout the whole episode so very satisfying for me and you also knew it. And i can't wait for you to brag on that moment in just a minute but first this week the sitcom style was modern family meets the office and as a fan of both of those shows. I loved it. Wanda was very wanda's parts were were modern family and visions parts. Were the office. So it was like a weird. It seems like it would be weird. But i liked it. It worked for me. So we start with wanda dealing with the aftermath of the halloween episode her expanding the hacks her trying to say vision her dealing with a fake brother and her kids are like really worried about her. They come upstairs trying to figure out what's going on their game. Is glitch ing which shows that things are not completely under control anymore. They're game went from like a week controller to a believe. It was like a dreamcast controller. Who atari and then to just you know playing cards. The kids are like what is happening. Billy tells one that his head hurts. Now that's this is an important moment. Not only because every mutant on the planet. I'm pretty sure that has telepathic. Abilities has at one point in their origin stories. Said it's so noisy in here because they can hear everybody's thoughts until they learn to filter and really kind of controller powers. Jean grey charles exhibitor. They've all dealt with that Yes ashley stay out of my head. No because you won't stay out of mine so anyways that's important to hold onto because it's gonna come into play later. Now they do a whole office montage for the opening credits. And there's a quick shot of a it. Looks like one of those ransom notes where they've cut out a letter from a magazine or newspaper. It says i know what you were doing. Wanda who is that. We don't know. There's also a cute little amish to stanley in the license plate that says wanda and i just kinda hope like i know. We're obviously not getting any more cameras from him. But i would love to see something of his or something that reminds us of him to show up in each of these shows and movies going forward mice personal like i dunno to sense outside. Sword has mustard together and they are preparing for a massive attack on westview. Because once again told you so hayward's bad guy like a really bad guy. He's not even trying to be a good guy right at the recently. Not second he might have announced good enough so told you so. Vision wakes up and he's surrounded by the sword circuit and darcy is inside the circus as the escape artists. So when we last are choose being sucked into the heck's and she was wearing hand she was handcuffed to like the sword vehicle. Well now. She's escape artists but she can easily get out of it. She does not remember. Who vision is. She thinks he's trying to hit on her. She's like hard past dude. I'm like not into you like this is not going to be a thing. Envisions like dude. Don't you remember. We locked eyes. We had a moment you understood me. She's like no and just blocks away from him The boys are wondering where their dad is and wanda says. She can't force him to do anything. So it's again i think. She is finally accepted the fact visions outside of her control
Fresh update on "ransom" discussed on Colleen and Bradley
"Elizabeth Reese has joined us for a dirt alert tail. Isabel, you guys nice to be with you say with you, You know, sometimes Fridays. They're sort of slow and boring. But I do have a lot of headlines too lame. O Ana. I know Friday. It's a nice way to start the weekend. Well, we have to start with an update on this very sad story about Lady gaga and her dogs being dog napped, which I just think is the word. Dates for us. Well, here's the update. And this is what TMZ is reporting now we've been talking about Did these thieves target lady gaga Now, if you are just tuning in, and maybe you haven't heard much about this story, Lady Gaga as dogs were dog napped and her dog Walker was shot and critically injured. Horrible. It's horrible. Lady Gaga has three French bulldogs. Two of the dogs were stolen. One got away when thieves approached her dog Walker, who is also a very good friend of hers, demanded the dogs and then shot Ryan Fisher. He laid on the ground. They each grab the dog got in the back of this car, and then the car drove away. So the conversation has been Did these thieves know that these were lady gaga as dogs? Or were they just targeting French Bulldogs? Because apparently there's like a big black market. French bulldog trade in California Well, here is what the LAPD is looking into. Definitely looking at the possibility that the shooter and the thieves knew the dogs were owned by Gaga and TMZ says, Listen, yes, they did know Because when you look at the video that came out from a neighbor, which I watched, and I wish I would know it's so sad. Why, Why the car that well, the car that comes upon the dog, Walker was headed for him. The car stops to people jump out and attack him. And TMZ is making the argument that there's no way these thieves would have instantly known that the dogs were a valuable breed because it was dark and the dogs are small. So it's not like you would have been like, Oh, I see three French bulldogs. I'm gonna go and get that for bulldog. You guys. I'm sorry because I watched it. It happens so fast. Yeah, That's what people keep saying. When I'm looking at my next door app and I see tons of Terrible tales about Carjackings in Minneapolis and ST Paul, which is causing me a lot of anxiety that it that it's like out of nowhere. These people show up. You don't have time to have a reaction. So from what TMZ is saying that this was supposed to supposed to be a short walk. This wasn't like he was walking them for the day. It was 9 40 at night. It was just like a bathroom break. Yes. The robbers were not following Ryan a long distance and the TMZ is making the argument that if they were indeed targeting goggles, dogs that they could have watched him in the days before to determine his walking schedule. So Lady Gaga is offering a $500,000 reward. No questions asked for the safe return of her dogs. But sources are telling TMZ that no one has been in touch with her or her reps so far demanding payment and the dogs were not microchipped. According to TMZ. That's not a good thing. No, you gotta get your dogs microchipped also, um I just am concerned because this is a tragedy that has happened. I'm just concerned that if you Give somebody essentially a ransom, right? That's going to encourage some behavior. I know, but I think it's at that mean I understand when you're that when your lady gaga you don't care. Yeah, And when it's your butt when they're like your babies, you know, I mean, think about if it was like your child would be like, I don't care. I'll figure out a million dollars. I want my child. I know it's czar things, but you don't want suddenly people to be like. Well, hey. I know we can get him. I mean, I know it's like 100 years ago, the Lindbergh baby, You're right. It's very tricky. Oh, it's just so sad. I know. So that's what's happening there. I wish I had a better update. I was hoping today that he's gonna be okay. The dog walk. I know Ryan Fisher, who was apparently an artist and her very close friend and loves animals, and has walked dogs for other high profile people. A job as a high profile a dog walker. I might be taken some time, all right, or at least walking him in the backyard. Well, I mean, he took a bullet, which was like he was trying to save these dogs. E mean, He was really a brave person. Did you guys hear that? They're reporting that he's not doing very well. Did I miss you say that he's in critical condition. He's in grave condition. What? And what was interesting Is that really shifted Grant because yesterday when the initial reports came out, it was like he was shot. But he's gonna be okay. And then it evolved into He's in critical condition, and it's a mean It's really a concern. I know. Speaking of people we've been rooting for. Let's talk about Tiger Woods. Tiger Woods was transferred to Cedar Sinai Hospital after undergoing surgery for his crash injuries. You know he had that car crash on Tuesday. So he was at a level one trauma center, where he underwent surgery following the crash. And remember, we talked about him having a Rod put into his leg and then all sorts of pins and screws to hold his ankle together. So there's a doctor who confirmed that yes, Tiger Woods was transferred, saying that he will continue to seek orthopedic care and recovery. At Cedar Sinai. So this isn't like you get this surgery done, And then you're home. You know, surgeons are so amazing. Now you always hear about people who are like I got a hip replaced and I went home that afternoon. You know, I mean, it's like And this is a real serious situation because he's continuing. To stay in the hospital. I mean, like in this day and age, if you are in the hospital for more than you know, I would say, like, three or four days. Yeah, they try to get you out quickly. Particularly Cedar Sinai is quite busy, Hmm. When he's healed. Enough is what a source says he's going to need other treatments, including physical therapy. But then, of course, there's all sorts of conversation about if anybody can recover from this, it's it's Tiger Woods. This is on the heels of Didn't he just have back surgery? He had had back surgery, and that's his recovery was happening. And this was another back surgery and he talked about you know how you only have one back and the doctor start to run out of tricks after you've had so many issues, And so the concern prior to this accident was, was he going to be able to play in the Masters? Obviously, that's completely off the table now, but it was kind of up in up in the air. The Masters are, I think, like, six weeks away, I don't know. My husband hasn't marked on his calendar and walks off the whole weekend. Stories like this. Just make me think of like, you know. Oh, gosh. Now, of course, I can't think of the actual word of this is my life. Just f y I My gosh, The hills are alive with the sound of music. Yeah. Julie and Julie Andrews, Judy Garland and I am too gay for this right now, but Apparently not When she you know, found out that she had this nodule on her throat got surgery, But the surgery went horribly wrong. And then she wasn't able to sing again. And I think like When you're the person who did the thing and you can't do the thing anymore. I mean, it's a blessing and a curse. But I imagine we're the curse phase right now. I think he rightly for Tiger Woods. Yeah, I think I mean, he's definitely been through a lot. The sheriff's deputy did say just a friendly reminder to you on Tuesday that he was wearing a seat belt, otherwise he might not have made it. And um, the sheriff's deputy said, it's really a testament to the fact that he was wearing a seat belt..
Valentine scams, SolarWinds, and a data deletion bungle
"Chums jumps happy. You ever made a mistake at work. Nope i used to work with you. So never made a mistake disagreed. Because you got it. Wrong of course allen as as a visiting professor at the university of surrey. Have you would you own up to a need goofs. Yes i would say. I often make mistakes. But i'd like to think of mistakes opportunity to learn. That's what i tell the students anyway. But unfortunately asset i've made i am part of. It is one of the reasons. I want to talk about what we're going to run. Which is that. You'd make certain assumptions as you're analyzing berries incidents for example you base it on a certain amount of information as you learn more you realize that you are mistaken. It's not so much that you were mistaken but the jump to conclusions and you learn very quickly that you really should do that Hurry along graham. We gotta get to this well now now. I used to be a computer program. I don't know five review of ever programmed computers limiting every you do. I haven't really ever. You haven't done a ten print corollas cool. I've done that rogue ramming really island of you ever made any programming mistakes l. Yes quite a few in fact in some of the earliest programs. I you have to go back a long way to find the machines that i i worked on a hold on was at joke that it was with cards you would submit them to some high priest through a three days later you get the results back and you learn very quickly not to make a mistake because you'd have to go through the whole thing again so you actually became very very serious with your program. These days people make a mistake and act conditioned component away. They go but now those days it was very much you have to be got to be so careful so the first half dozen yours make a mistake. Well i suddenly remember making some mistakes in my early days of program. One of my jobs was to Right the windows. Version of dr solomon's antivirus toolkit and the way in which we worked in those days is we actually had no computer viruses at the office. All of the computer viruses were. Alan solomons spare bedroom at his house. Well it was more secure than having them in the office last thing we wanted to overdo ship them to anyone but that meant that when i did programming on the virus finding engine i didn't actually have anything to test it against so i remember once i was given the source code in the challenge of speeding it up a little bit and i did some work on it for a few days my body back and i said i said i. You know it's a fair bit faster now. i think i've increased speed by twenty percent or something so alan took it back to the viruses and he said well done yes. You have split up. Unfortunately it no longer detects any malware. Two zero percent detect super fast. So you don't well then graham. Good thing your podcast. These days exactly. Yes nothing's dangerous as per so coating cock-ups can happen. I want to talk to you about something along those lines now. In the united kingdom we have a supercomputer system called the police national computer system the p. n. c. which stalls and shares information and criminal records between forces across the country so if police are investigating something rather than looking at old cards in a filing cabinet or anything about they can actually use the computer and suddenly can quiz. The computer even officers can use it for real time check so if they stop someone in the street they can calling. Someone will look up on the police national computer. If you're wanted in relation go. I gotta i gotta right exactly grow. You know lacrosse about her. Being in trouble with the law next okay. Now this week tell that story right well last month. It became headline news that some of the records stored on the police national computer. Databases had been unfortunately lost. What do you mean lost. Well i don't mean lost down the back of the sofa. Okay i interesting you bring up so famous interesting in fact. Why wouldn't i bring up so i would you to ground. You'll see you'll see later. Oh okay In fact over two hundred thousand records were reportedly deleted from the police. National compulsive not misplaced but actually lawson lost ju to what they described as technical issue It's set a good term now. I think when you've worked in the field of cybersecurity for well when you hear a company suffering from technically shoes. It's very natural to assume the worst it's very natural to assume. Oh maybe they'd been hacked. Maybe some ransom has been planted. Maybe they're downplaying it right. You feel like they're downplaying snafu. That might have happened. Maybe not sharing enough detail. Yeah yeah yeah. that's true. So the home office. They said that the loss data related people who'd been arrested and then released without further action.
CD Projekt Red's Source Code for 'Cyberpunk 2077' Has Been Stolen
"Cd project red makers of cyberpunk twenty seventy seven posted on twitter. Tuesday that somebody gained unauthorized access to its network attempting to look at data and left a ransom. Note cd project says it's restoring the data and will not pay the ransom. The company doesn't believe any personal data of players of its games was accessed. The ransom note clammed had source code of cyberpunk twenty seventy seven gwent and witcher three including an unreleased. It also claimed to have access documents from accounting administration legal hr investor relations and more. The attackers gave forty eight hours or they would sell a release the source code and send the documents to journalists project. Read says we aren't paying you. We won't the company seems Seems to be pretty confident that what was being offered for ransom was not worth paying the
Harmful, false posts about people online
"Today's episode. I want to start out with something. Be pretty scary. For all of us the info that's out there about us on the web and then later i got some great news about a solution for another scary thing rhyme. There's a new security system that will protect both you and your wallet. I wanna tell you about something that is really upsetting to me. And it's something that affects everyday people in greater and greater numbers costing people their jobs causing relationships. You name it and that is false postings about you on the internet is someone who's been in the public eye for decades. It's part of the The drill for me. That i know there are going to be things posted about me. Just flat out aren't true. But there's so much out there about me that people will make their own judgments whether something they see about me. That's just not true. Is the real story or what over time they felt was who you think i am and so for me. No big deal. But what about for somebody who's regular private citizen and they're applying for a job and they never get called back or they have a really promising interview and they never got back with you. Free their second or job offer or you meet somebody you really like to go out with and they go and google you or any search engine and they find out that your this scary monster but it's really not what you are who you are. Here's what's happening. There are people you've heard of revenge porn. I don't know what the name this is. But it's where people were taking out revenge on you purposely post false stuff about you to mess up your life and it is just a brutal thing and i saw a story about this whole problem in the new york times where the new york times writer was contacting people who had been identified as people that were using internet searches a way to take revenge against people posting fake stuff saying people were molesters and all this terrible stuff and the individual. The the new york times contacted took out revenge against that writer and that writers editor and posted all kinds of fake stuff about them. Who's just ugly stuff and there's no easy procedure how to take that stuff down. There was a website. I don't wanna give any publicity to. It's a well known website but not not a household word but a well known website that to me is engaging and extortion that if you find a profile about you on that site and you have proof that none of those things are true they charge you a ransom of a few thousand dollars to pull down the information about you. There was fake in the first place. I mean this is. This is hideous. I mean not only. Should it be a crime when somebody falsely post stuff about you clearly not true that you committed a crime or whatever but the sites that are profiting from this ransoming your reputation back to you. They should be looked at as extortionists and the owners should be facing criminal actions as well but those are should in the meantime. What do you do. This is hard so there are techniques that people will do where they will go around posting a lot of stuff about themselves so they then pushed the fate. Negative stuff down when somebody does a search and that's an imperfect thing and you have to have some decent computer skills to do that but the other thing you may have to do is the best defense. Maybe a good offense. You may have to tell a potential employer. Hey if you do background search on me. There's somebody i don't know who they are. They're taking revenge shots against me and they're posting false stuff about me and you're going to see things about me that aren't true at all
The War with Algorithms: Why Your Next Security Strategy Includes A.I. and Machine Learning
"Welcome to another episode of. it visionaries into date nicole. Egan welcome to the show. Thanks albert. now you're the chief officer at dark trace. Tell us what is dark trace do and what does that title mean. You do excellent well. It's quite interesting. I guess dr traces in the space of cybersecurity. But if you think about cyber it's quite an interesting area and that i think people immediately think about The icon off the hacker in the hoodie so to speak. And it's so much different from that it's really evolved into big business today and i me madam both sides. I mean that in terms of the side of the attacker and the side of the defender and so really dark face does is. We found that the bad guys are winning far too often and we wanted to come up with a kind of away to give the defenders and unfair advantage and we thought that that way was based on using artificial intelligence. So what we do is really we end. Human security teams using ai. To both find in stop attacks vassar. Give us an idea of how dark trace works. Because i check out the website. I looked at some of the materials. It really does seem quite advanced and you just kind of mentioned a moment ago. That bad guys are winning more often than not when it comes to cyber attacks. And that's why you guys developed your systems. I want you to share a little bit. About how and what are the tactics and techniques. The bad actors are using in. How dr trace is stopping that. The fact is these are organizations in their own right in terms of they employ people they have a call centers For when they ask for ransom they accept bitcoin full-fledged operations but they're tied to organize cybercrime there are tied in some cases even to nation states and so cyber is big business and unfortunately it's causing tremendous amount of business disruption for legitimate companies so in terms of the tactics they can use. It's across the board. I mean when we started the company back in two thousand thirteen we probably somewhat all remember hearing about the sony attack and most recently at the end of twenty twenty We're coming off of the solar winds attack and the techniques. Just keep changing. They continue to increase in sophistication. They are new a novel approaches. There's constantly unknown threats and new threat actors and that's part of the reason it gets very challenging and in some ways people love to hear about all these these cool techniques they use but it's the fact that they're constantly evolving and changing the techniques. That make it so difficult for security teams and for what i think of a static security tools to to stay current against this. This range of threats. Yeah because in the old way the way you describing a threat detection. Threat detection was the impetus in there for cybersecurity is reactive. You can only stop something that you're already seeing happening. And then that will help protect the business. But what you're talking about is developing a way to recognize cyber-attacks new ones. Things that have never existed. Before through your yeah. I like to call that rear view mirror. You're absolutely right. I mean it's one of i think the fundamental flaws in the approach that the majority of the industry takes is. It's very rear view mirror. It's reactive in rear view mirror and by that it's exactly what you described. It's thought that you need to know what the attack looks like to spot it or you need to second guess with the attackers going to do and come up with a rule to catch it and even in those are what's known as broadly signatures rules. Right those are really what those very. Broadly used techniques are and even i've seen companies try to use some more a type techniques but what they're doing is they're pointing the a i at a training data set of historical attack data. That's just as rear view mirror. It means the attack is already happened for the ai to learn to spot it. And that's i think the biggest shifts a paradigm shift that has to happen. Security is to move it to recognize this notion that the threats are constantly changing. They're gonna come from all over the place they're going to range in sophistication it almost to a certain degree doesn't matter but the attack vector is. It could be a video a camera. It could be you know a sensor it could be literally a car attaching to wi fi. It can range so greatly but the thing you have to be prepared for the unknown attack the novel attack and that is something that i think has been really hard for the industry as a whole to get its head wrapped around
Pirates who kidnapped Turkish sailors make contact
"Frequently, let's see. We had pirates off Nigeria's coast kidnapped 15 sailors from a Turkish container ship in the Gulf of Guinea last Saturday Saturday in a violent attack and of course they have since been in touch with the Turkish government. For ransom. Get the sailors back. So here we go again. All right, And we have Iranian ships being, you know attitude, So it's getting crazy over there. But, you know, I guess, once a black beard, pirate, always a black beard pirate and then just out of
God's Love for the Nations (Genesis 26:4)
"Genesis. Chapter twenty six. I four god says to isaac. I will multiply your offspring as the stars of heaven and will give to your offspring all these lands and in your offspring all the nations of the earth shall be blessed so i just wanna make the connection with god's promise to abraham back in genesis chapter twelve verse. Three i will bless those who bless you him who dishonors you. I will curse and n you through you. All the families of the earth shall be blessed hold picture when god called abraham and really was starting the people of israel was to bless this people for the spread of his blessing to all peoples and so when god now speaks the same promised to isaac abraham son he says the same thing i will multiply your offspring is the stars of heaven will give your offspring all these lands in other words. I'm gonna bless you and your offspring and in your offspring follow this all. The nations of the earth shall be blessed so the whole picture is. God's blessing was never intended to center on abraham and isaac to stop with abraham isaac. His blessing was always intended to spread through abraham through is eq to all the nations of the earth. It's the picture we see from cover to cover in the bible. God loves all the nations of the earth all the peoples all the families all the tribes all the clans of the earth got his created them all in his image and desires them all to know his blessing which is why jesus came not just to save jewish people from their sin. He came to save jews and gentiles all people from all nations from their send to fast forward to the last book. In the bible revelation chapter five jesus died to purchase people for god to save redeem ransom people from every nation tribe language and people group in the world all the ethnic groups which is why he told his disciples and all of us who are his followers today. In matthew chapter twenty eight verse. Nineteen go and make disciples of all the nations and this is why we must pray. Then for the spread of god's blessing to all the nations to all the ethnic groups in the world that they might all know his blessing and to pray toward that end to use our resources toward that end in our lives our families and in the church and to send out missionaries from our churches to take the blessing of god in the gospel to places and people. Groups were the gospels. Not yet gone. Is why missions. This is not an optional program. The church for a select few people recall that this is the purpose of god from the very beginning of the bible to bring his blessing to all the nations. He's calling his people over. And over and over again from a to isaac all the way the new testament every follower of jesus to us our lives to get the gospel to those who've never heard
Malware found on laptops given out by British government
"Wants to help students engaged in remote. Learning and several governments around the world have provided suitable devices and connectivity to students who might otherwise lack them of course amid general success not all has proceeded happily the bbc reports that some laptops her majesty's government had issued to support children being schooled at home during the pandemic have been found to come pre equipped with malware a school. In bradford noticed the problem when some of the devices were noticed to be cracking to a server in russia which is not the sort of behaviour one wants to see. It wasn't all of them. Only some but the calling back to russian servers and affected machines apparently started when the devices were unpacked and set up which suggests that the infection proceeded anything. The students might have done with their new laptops. Why would the russians be spying on british kids. Well they're not in any way probably not computing says. The malware is a version of the gamma ru worm. It's a commodity worm. That's been around. In the underworld for almost a decade e sets 2017 description of gamma ru remains informative. The worm was then and remains widely used malware traded in various criminal markets. It's been most often used for credential theft and for installation of other militias software. Gamma ru has been widely available for
Stop looking at my Vastaamo
"What's up everybody. I'm justin justin. What's up who's having your back with another reach the week. This one's coming from your your home country finland here strong to say that's true. You're incest or motherland heritage heritage and this is one of those really awful onset just does not feel good in that. So this is finland and basically there's data breach and the records of thousands psychotherapy patients were compromised. Which is bad enough company. How do you say best best team. A has more finished than i am. I'm bush demo a the largest private psychotherapy center treating forty thousand. Patients doesn't say if that's like continuous overall but either way it's a lot of people and someone got in and now So some of the stuff got was leaked online. So you could probably. I'm guessing dark web. Everything but patients started getting contacted and then blackmailed. they don't pay don't pay that their information from these reports would be released which could be absolute nonsense. I think it was like two years ago. There was a breach and I got a bunch of emails for like these accounts that i must have had ten ten years prior like. Hey we have your information from this account. We know the stuff that you're into and you need to pay us five hundred dollars or we're going to release it and i was like pull the trigger. Don't care for stuff. I don't care anyways like i. I live a public life go nuts. Let's see what you can find. I would be curious to see what you actually find. And of course. They don't respond but it looked very legitimate. And there was other folks that i know because i think it was. It was through my school email and there was other folks. I know that god it and freaked out anything you think the school got popped. I think i don't know if the school got popped or it was like know they had like Maybe like an alumni email or something that had gotten picked up You know the message is pretty generic. It wasn't like you know it had no other information other than first and last name and email address. I don't even. I don't even know if it had the last name that i think about it but it was like. Hey zach this is blah from you know here and then sure enough in a week. I got another one that was like we're giving you forty eight hours before we release the information. Of course like do it. Don't wait forty hours chickens. Doing they didn't do it then. I got like literally a weekly there was like twenty four hours. I'm like come on all right. This is giving me an extension sir. We noticed that you haven't complied with our demands and we're giving you an extension of the courtesy of the dark web customer service. It's like the warranty service. The rangers get those phone calls constantly. Yeah yeah so You know who knows if it's legitimate or if it's just you know people are like i'm gonna release your i mean the but then again like what do you risk like if you feel like you've got your best state vast demo. Yeah bashed on mo version vashem domino. If you've got stuff on there that you i would hope in. Therapy are allowed to be fairly Well i think. I mean in in this case leaked tucker calls himself ransom random and ransom underscore man's running foresight. Which is already leaked therapists. Session notes from three hundred patients Some of the victims are underage. Say he's also approach he or she has approached patients demanding ransom of two hundred euros from them. Which is going to increase to five hundred dollars if they do not pay within twenty four hours and then the attackers but also reportedly demanded a four hundred and fifty thousand euros in bitcoin. Bush namo which is Interest like again like in in their ceo got fired yes to which rightfully so. Maybe i don't know i. It doesn't go into the details. Exactly how this guy release but You know to have all of those files with like a correlated with people's names and information probably means that they either didn't really have any sort of security. It was just like in a folder somewhere. Or i mean it's that's pretty egregious and it's i mean i don't know it's epa what's is there's got to be a european version of hip you know so there's probably regulatory issues that are gonna come. I mean this is. This is like the worst case scenario.
The Sodder Family Tragedy: 75 Years Later
"Which applied to mafia members. And those who dealt with them. The fact that george never talked about his past suggests he might have been bound by a similar restriction. The mafia were very active in sicily in the late eighteen hundreds and early nineteen hundreds. And it's possible that george ran across them when he was a boy. If so that in encounter might have led him to fleeing to the united states. It could also have been why rafael felt like he had to return to their home country. Whatever secrets is childhood held. George spent the nineteen twenties thirties and forties raising his family in fayetteville west virginia but apparently he couldn't escape his past. George frequently argued with the other members of the towns italian-american community usually about a benito mussolini george despise the man and this put him in conflict with other immigrants who supported the fascist prime minister. It's possible that one of georgia's friends or neighbors belong to the american mafia after all by the nineteen twenty s. Many italian mobsters had immigrated to the united states so when george debated italian politics with the locals he could have made a very dangerous enemy without realizing it in nineteen forty-five five maybe the organization felt like they'd had enough of georgia's anti mussalini statements and retaliated by taking his children. Well it's true that the mafia didn't usually perform kidnappings it wasn't totally unheard of one of the most famous examples was the nineteen seventy-three abduction of oil fortune heir. John paul getty the third in the nineteen seventies. The getty family was as famous for their oil well as they were for their infighting. The patriarch j paul. Getty was a notoriously. Difficult man frugal. To the point of pathology. He had payphones installed in his english manor home. So his staff wouldn't add to his phone bill understandably. He didn't get along very well with his grandson john. Paul getty the third who went by paul. Abo- hime ian teenager who being kicked out of his italian prep school for clarity. From huron will refer to j paul getty as getty and his grandson will be paul. Paul kept a low profile to avoid his grandfather's vitriol but that all changed when he suddenly disappeared in rome soon after his worried family received a series of letters and a phone call from the kidnappers. They said they were members of the mafia and they demanded a ransom of seventeen million dollars for polls safe return but getty said that he had fourteen grandchildren besides john and if he gave them a sent it would only encourage similar opportunists to go after them for that reason. Getty refused to pay in response. The mafia cutoff polls ear and mailed it to a newspaper with their demands. Eventually the family paid the mafia three million dollars though getty himself only paid two point two million the maximum amount that he could write off as a loss for tax purposes. And by the end of nineteen seventy-three. Paul was back within the family. Fold though much the worse for wear. This wasn't the only time. The mafia used kidnapping as tactic in rome. In nineteen seventy five. The criminal organization kidnapped gianni bulgari a famous italian. Who was forty years old at the time. His affluent family quickly paid two million dollars for his return and he emerged relatively unscathed by the ordeal. However the solders were decidedly not wealthy. So it seems unlikely that the mob would have kidnapped their children for money. What's more george and jenny never received a ransom note. That said it is possible that the criminal society could have murdered the solder children in retaliation for something. George did the mafia's. Arcane codes supposedly protect women and young children but they don't always abide by these values take for example the case of giuseppe di matteo in one thousand nine hundred ninety three santino di matteo a former member of the sicilian. Mafia was preparing to testify against them in court in a bid to silence him. The mob kidnapped his twelve year. Old son giuseppi.
More than 300 Nigerian schoolboys kidnapped by gunmen Were Rescued.
"Of cat scene state said bringing relief to many families. I think we have recovered. Most of the boys governor me bella. Massari said in a televised interview with state channel and ta abduction grip the country already incensed by widespread insecurity and evoked memories of boko harms. Twenty fourteen kidnapping of more than two hundred seventy schoolgirls in the northeastern town of chiba took last friday nights gunmen raided the government science secondary school in sina on motorbikes and marched the boys into ru forest in the biggest such incident in the lawless region in recent years massari said a total of three hundred and forty four boys held in the forest had been freed in neighbouring zamfara state. The boys were on their way back to cat zena and would be medically examined and united with their families today. Massari said a retired health worker whose thirteen year old son was. Among the kidnapped boys could not contain his joy at their release. He's only concern now. Was reuniting with his son. He said boko haram has claimed responsibility for the kidnapping in an unverified recording the video which features boko haram emblem shows a group of boys in a would pleading help us help us the father of one of the missing boys who gave only his first name. Emma said his son was one of the boys who is heard. speaking in the video. Boko haram has a history of turning captives into jihadist fighters if it's claims a true its involvement in northwestern nigeria marks geographical expansion in its activities. But it could have purchased the boys from local criminal gangs with which it's been building ties armed gangs that robin kidnap-for-ransom widely referred to as bandits carry out attacks on communities across the northwest making it hard for locals to farm travel on tap rich mineral assets in some states such as gold. Such gangs killed more than eleven hundred people in the first half of twenty twenty alone according to the rights group. Amnesty international a former acting chief the us department of homeland security's intelligence office has told congress. The dhs
Hundreds of kidnapped schoolboys have been freed in Nigeria, officials say
"Say hundreds of schoolboys kidnapped last week by militants claiming to be from the Islamist group Boka, Haram. Have been released. Officials in cats in the states a 344 boys have been freed, although they are in good health and will soon be released to their families or the reports are suggesting some remain in the hands of their captors. Nigeria's presidential spokesperson garb Isha, who told the BBC exactly what had happened. Well, you know, As we have said they were little commanders have said they they had to feed the entire place where they were held All of the parameters and showing exactly fishing had been identified by the military. The day after the abductions, and all of these things took that much time because nobody wanted to bring the corpses back home. There was no shooting. They totally and circled the location. And I'm sure that immediate impossible for anyone to smuggle anyone out. So that was the presidential spokesman Garba Shoes. So, Woz book around behind this, Or was it bandits out for money? Who'd been suggested by some officials? Well for more I spoke to earlier to our head of our BBC houses, service and you tangle. I can confirm to you that the cuts in a state government told us that 344 boys have are now in the custody off. Some forested governments on Fara is the neighboring country estate on off course, the information with God it is that the boys were handed over to Nigerian security personnel around a forest in Saffy local government in Zamfara state. And they were droving in trucks toe good, So the capital of Zamfara state, So it is this morning that they are going to find their way to cut Sena where they're expected to be reunited with their families. But what is not clear is that you know, the yesterday in the afternoon, Boco Haram released a video Where one of the boys were saying that the 500 plus boys in the forest, but what we know now is there are 344 boys that have been handed over to Nigerian government. And as you say with that question of whether they're still more boys being held captive. There's also another question that many I mean questions abound. But one of them also is how the boys were released whether any money exchanged hands, especially because government muscly had declared categorically that they wouldn't pay a ransom either to book our Army said they wouldn't negotiate with him or hand over money, too. The gunman who he said they were negotiating with. Well, the information with get it through five is that the Nigerian government did not pay any ransom. It was true negotiations with the group. So what we know so far is that these boys were abducted by a criminal gang off some bandits in cats in a state And they took them over to some for a state. But you know there are links between these criminal gangs and Boko Haram. This is now clear, but I think there was a group in the forefront of the negotiation, which is very popular in Nigeria. Miyata Laugh Lanie Association, So there are links between these groups and this, you know social cultural groups in northern Nigeria, and that is how the went on a negotiated what they claim there. Was there were no ransom paid, and I leave you in that video. I mean, I know you as the editor of the Household Service had poured over that video quite carefully, And they made the syriza of demand through that young man, one of them being about these Fulani herdsman or the Fulani gunman. Bond. There's been a lot of debate a lot of questions a lot of protests about the activities of these gunmen in northwest Nigeria. Surely negotiating with them is now only going to fuel this kind of debate in Nigeria and the questions about insecurity in the area, even though people are elated that the boys have been released. Yes. So The problem now is what other demands off these groups on one of the major demand is that the vigilante group that is the local security that is there in his own for A and Carson estate should be disbanded because these bandits are claiming that the local security personnel that's the vigilantes. Uh, killing their men. So what we don't know is if government will agree to that demon on disband this local vigilante. But what is clear is that there is high insecurity and the Nigerian security personnel talking about the Nigerian Army Air Force on Nigerian police on not capable and have shown that they don't have Enough one power to secure the area. The editor of our BBC Houses, Service Alley, you
"ransom" Discussed on Slate's If Then
"To try to put the attack on jessica school context. We reached out to dave bertie. He covers cybersecurity for the wall street journal. And he's been writing about this uptick in ransomware attacks across the digital world. There's been an explosion of ransomware this year. It's an increasingly common way. for attackers. to target businesses healthcare organizations nonprofits or as the case may be schools in the reason. Why is just because. It's an effective business tactic if you encrypt in organizations data. That's basically what they need to function particularly in a digital environment. So as you've had a business or school that have moved more remote learning. That sort of expands. The opportunities to take advantage are there demonstrably more attacks on schools this year. Are we just aware of them. Will the first thing that's always important to point out here is that it's hard if not impossible to count the dogs that don't bark there have been probably about three hundred fifty or more. Cyber incidents reported across the united states this year in schools in schools and others probably a few dozen have been ransomware but that said those are only incidents that have been publicly reported so in many cases schools. They don't wanna take the pr hit an embarrassing situation. They don't want people to know. They paid off a criminal group to get their systems up and running. They might just keep that on the dl and not notify anyone. Even though schools aren't the richest targets around one of the reasons that hackers focus on them is that unlike big businesses. They often aren't equipped to defend themselves. We have seen attackers really zero win. On some of these districts may or may not have built out. It departments in many cases in addition to them being sort of under funded over the course of years their it departments. The also had these really really insane strange just put on them so the coronavirus remote learning getting kids up and running with their chromebooks. Or what have you so. There's really a lot of moving parts here. And i think criminals are smart enough to take advantage of them. So yeah is there just sort of like a handful of people who are in charge in your typical school district of distributing the chromebooks and also guarding against malware. I mean i would say the vast majority of school districts they don't have dedicated cybersecurity professionals even in most districts aside from the larger ones. You don't have that much of a built out. it staff. I talked to the chief information. Security officer of seattle public. School district is a very large school district in the grand scheme of things the only have eighteen. It people for that entire district of that team. Only two of them are dedicated on cybersecurity. So when you're in a position where you are suddenly thrust into remote learning environment and you need to get tens of thousands of devices online with seattle. I think it was fifty three thousand devices for students alone. I mean you really spread thin across a very big network of devices and potential threats. The threat of ransomware attacks has extended to fertility clinics and company providing software for one of the covid vaccine. Trials and the human consequences can be harrowing. There was an incident in germany where a hospital was targeted with ransomware. And as a result of that who is actually in an ambulance on her way to the hospital had to be diverted into another facility about thirty minutes farther away and this wounded women ended up dying. She didn't get care especially needed to get so german. Prosecutors basically tried to connect those dots they were asking the question can we show in a legal way. Causation between these attackers can we show causation. That they actually causes woman's death and ended the day they couldn't it was more of a correlation not causation situation. And i think that was the closest that we've come collectively to getting to a point where we're saying. Oh there's actually a cyber attack that has taken someone's life <music>. Let's walk through how this happens. Let's say you are a school administrator or hospital. it percent what do you notice. I will typically you know if if you really if something's wrong with your laptop and you really need to get to work you'll call the. It guy you'll always it guy and you'll say hey what's up with my laptop. I can't log into my email. Then typically they'll run through some scans and see that something's wrong with the system. They'll eventually get some sort of communication from one of these ransom. Learn groups saying. Hey we're here we've gotten into your system. We've locked up your data and we want x. Number of bitcoin in response. So that's really when it sort of gets this point where a school or business has to decide okay. Are we going to alert law enforcement. Are we going to call an outside forensics firm to try to understand what happened. Have we backed up all of our data within our system. And how quickly will be able to get that back. Do we want to pay this ransom payment. Like is the tradeoff. Good enough for us to do that. So there's a lot of moving parts that a lot of <hes>. Businesses or schools or hospitals have to evaluate is all as happens the baltimore schools. Where just by works. They shut everything down. They sort of put everything on pause for a couple of days. Is that standard. Yeah i can typically standard. I talked with a school district in southern california. A <unk> administrator notices email was down the. It guys said it's ransomware for sure. So they physically went to every device in their school district. So we're talking about a school district of six thousand kids. Went every room went to all of their offices. Disabled unplugged device in that entire school district. And that's that's one way you know sort of a crude way of trying to limit the spread of of these things and then obviously on the back end when all these problems need to go through each and every one of those devices can them makes your their clean. Get them back online. What how often do victims turn to outside help whether that's law enforcement or whether that is digital forensics company to help them abc's extremely common there is entire ecosystem cybersecurity firms specialized in this sort of work. So you have a forensic firm that might come in to try to understand. Hey this is exactly how they got in to your computer system. This is exactly the type of software that they're using. This is exactly the type of data that they took from your system. In addition to that you have other groups. That are adept at negotiating. They actually talk to these groups. They have long term relationships in some cases with many of these groups and they say we can talk them down from ten bitcoin to five bitcoin. Whatever whatever the the number is the so it is sort of an emerging field just within cybersecurity as this is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. How much money are we generally talking about. Because my husband actually just how to ransomware attack on his nonprofit theater company and the attackers were asking for fifteen hundred dollars in bitcoin and eventually they said you know what we're not gonna pay them. We have the backed up data but they did have this moment of thinking in the scheme of our business. It's not that much money like. Are we talking about people who are shooting for big amounts or you know are they targeting twenty five different places for relatively gettable sums across the security community. It's broadly understood that ransom demands are basically going up. The trend line is pointing upward. But it can vary between in the thousands of dollars like as as a case with with your husband. But if you're getting to a larger corporation you have some people who specialized in this area saying that ransom demands could be ten million twenty million dollars. Well so i mean. Obviously attackers are smart enough to know they're not going to go with to attend with a ten million dollar demand to a school district. That certainly can't pay that in. That would make it an easy decision for them. They're they're trying to find like the right price point as well where they can have some sort of a six rate. Do school districts do hospitals. Do these places tend to pay. It really varies. It depends on what type of data has been encrypted. It depends whether those school districts have backed up their data beforehand which would make sort of rebooting the system much easier but what is almost always true. Is that school very cagey about saying whether they paid. No one wants to say that. They paid off a hacker that they gave someone from a country in the side of the other side of the world. A million bucks get their systems online. It's a very difficult. Pr situation for any organization or school to tiptoe around because it says what your system is rable and that you're willing to pay or that you just were bad cybersecurity. I mean all of the above. And i think one of the sort of broader questions that the entire cyber community is really wrestling with is. Should you pay broadly speaking. Are we incentivizing hackers to keep taking advantage of schools or keep taking advantage of businesses if they keep on paying and i understand that argument completely. It's it's very straightforward point of view on the other hand. If your business is offline for two weeks or a month or if your schools taken off line paying off might be the better option to you if it means basically losing all of your customers or you know having kids go out of school for a month or so. Dave says it's a bit of a vicious cycle vulnerable systems plus a willingness to pay tends to lead to more attacks but the victims are only half of the equation. The other half the perpetrators behind that screen demanding. Bitcoin are part of a criminal industry. That is surprisingly organized. One of the interesting things that cyber security researchers really say is these groups oftentimes act almost as corporate entities. They're very professional. They have partnerships between groups at times they subcontract to specialists within the hacking profession. If they have you know someone who's particularly adept at getting into a system. They'll go to that person to try to launch their attack. So you'd really do have this sort of our in de element almost a within the hacking community when it when it comes to them trying to hone their craft and zero win an exactly the right targets when people are negotiating or even having a conversation with. The attackers are to be trusted. Like you know are. Are you gonna trustees folks if they say like okay. Pay us are fifteen hundred bucks in bitcoin. And actually you're going to get your data back or is that a terrible idea. You would think that criminals are not to be trusted in. Obviously they're they're not <hes>. But at the end of the day these groups are also playing a long game when it comes to their business and they have as i said a reporter with some of these negotiators that work with businesses and schools. If they don't pay if they don't decryption data after you pay them money. Those negotiators will know for their subsequent clients and they will know to not advise clients in the future to pay. So you had this weird dynamic that develops were. The groups are actually like worried about their sort of like brand in some respects. That's completely fascinating. Yeah it's totally wild thing and one lawyer who works in a lot of these investigations like re recently told me we don't wanna get to the level buber comparing it to customer service. But they're like definitely getting to a point where once you pay up in some cases they're trying to be helpful so that in the future they're known as sort of an honest broker while attacks may be more. Frequent ransomware isn't new like with so many other things cove it just accelerated existing trent so we have just seen a growth in the amount of ransomware with some of these criminal groups that have been long established in countries around the world just gravitating toward an effective tool that they're using so when you talk to cybersecurity researchers who follow this closely attribution is very difficult but they tend to say that the countries in which these types of groups operate our might might be the ones that you tend to think of korea iran china countries in the soviet bloc or central asia countries that may tend to look away when cyber criminal groups within their own borders launch an attack on a us business and do foreign governments step in or they unhelpful. I think it's safe to say that the the reason why a lot of this activity oftentimes stems from those countries is because the government's take a more lax approach some of this hacking particularly if it's sort of geared at the united states the. Us government recently has tried to warn businesses against paying somewhere demands. They basically have looked at those states. In particular places like north korea and iran and they've issued warnings to companies saying. Hey if you're targeted by ransomware think twice about paying anyone who is affiliated with someone who sanctioned from those countries. You could violate sanction rules by actually paying up this ransomware. I was really struck by that. Yeah the treasury department was basically sort of saying. Gee even if you're a victim you might be maybe committing a crime here if you pay up. What was their reasoning. Their i mean. I think goes to that discussion that i was mentioning earlier about how we're creating a market for ransomware essentially and i think it's it makes sense to the. Us government's official policy as we shouldn't pay people on our sanction lists and create this market. That said if a company that employs ten thousand or twenty thousand americans has to choose between paying one of these things or laying people off. I mean that's a much different conversation. Be curious to see whether people in law enforcement federal regulators etcetera might take sort of a case by case approach to actually enforcing that sort of thing. I'm trying to figure out where all of this goes. As we maybe move to a post pandemic world <hes>. Obviously people are gonna still do lots of stuff online. And that's not something. That's going away. But i wonder if you think we are going to keep seeing this increase in ransomware attacks or if this is maybe a bit of a bubble wrought by the pandemic. I think it's probably safe to assume that it will continue increasing. You will still have these criminal groups that make tens of millions of dollars per year doing this stuff who will continue to innovate continue to look for new ways to go after businesses. Continue to do that. Research and development that we mentioned earlier so. I think it's safe to say that. None of that's going to stop
How Hackers Hold Schools for Ransom
"To try to put the attack on jessica school context. We reached out to dave bertie. He covers cybersecurity for the wall street journal. And he's been writing about this uptick in ransomware attacks across the digital world. There's been an explosion of ransomware this year. It's an increasingly common way. for attackers. to target businesses healthcare organizations nonprofits or as the case may be schools in the reason. Why is just because. It's an effective business tactic if you encrypt in organizations data. That's basically what they need to function particularly in a digital environment. So as you've had a business or school that have moved more remote learning. That sort of expands. The opportunities to take advantage are there demonstrably more attacks on schools this year. Are we just aware of them. Will the first thing that's always important to point out here is that it's hard if not impossible to count the dogs that don't bark there have been probably about three hundred fifty or more. Cyber incidents reported across the united states this year in schools in schools and others probably a few dozen have been ransomware but that said those are only incidents that have been publicly reported so in many cases schools. They don't wanna take the pr hit an embarrassing situation. They don't want people to know. They paid off a criminal group to get their systems up and running. They might just keep that on the dl and not notify anyone. Even though schools aren't the richest targets around one of the reasons that hackers focus on them is that unlike big businesses. They often aren't equipped to defend themselves. We have seen attackers really zero win. On some of these districts may or may not have built out. It departments in many cases in addition to them being sort of under funded over the course of years their it departments. The also had these really really insane strange just put on them so the coronavirus remote learning getting kids up and running with their chromebooks. Or what have you so. There's really a lot of moving parts here. And i think criminals are smart enough to take advantage of them. So yeah is there just sort of like a handful of people who are in charge in your typical school district of distributing the chromebooks and also guarding against malware. I mean i would say the vast majority of school districts they don't have dedicated cybersecurity professionals even in most districts aside from the larger ones. You don't have that much of a built out. it staff. I talked to the chief information. Security officer of seattle public. School district is a very large school district in the grand scheme of things the only have eighteen. It people for that entire district of that team. Only two of them are dedicated on cybersecurity. So when you're in a position where you are suddenly thrust into remote learning environment and you need to get tens of thousands of devices online with seattle. I think it was fifty three thousand devices for students alone. I mean you really spread thin across a very big network of devices and potential threats. The threat of ransomware attacks has extended to fertility clinics and company providing software for one of the covid vaccine. Trials and the human consequences can be harrowing. There was an incident in germany where a hospital was targeted with ransomware. And as a result of that who is actually in an ambulance on her way to the hospital had to be diverted into another facility about thirty minutes farther away and this wounded women ended up dying. She didn't get care especially needed to get so german. Prosecutors basically tried to connect those dots they were asking the question can we show in a legal way. Causation between these attackers can we show causation. That they actually causes woman's death and ended the day they couldn't it was more of a correlation not causation situation. And i think that was the closest that we've come collectively to getting to a point where we're saying. Oh there's actually a cyber attack that has taken someone's life Let's walk through how this happens. Let's say you are a school administrator or hospital. it percent what do you notice. I will typically you know if if you really if something's wrong with your laptop and you really need to get to work you'll call the. It guy you'll always it guy and you'll say hey what's up with my laptop. I can't log into my email. Then typically they'll run through some scans and see that something's wrong with the system. They'll eventually get some sort of communication from one of these ransom. Learn groups saying. Hey we're here we've gotten into your system. We've locked up your data and we want x. Number of bitcoin in response. So that's really when it sort of gets this point where a school or business has to decide okay. Are we going to alert law enforcement. Are we going to call an outside forensics firm to try to understand what happened. Have we backed up all of our data within our system. And how quickly will be able to get that back. Do we want to pay this ransom payment. Like is the tradeoff. Good enough for us to do that. So there's a lot of moving parts that a lot of Businesses or schools or hospitals have to evaluate is all as happens the baltimore schools. Where just by works. They shut everything down. They sort of put everything on pause for a couple of days. Is that standard. Yeah i can typically standard. I talked with a school district in southern california. A administrator notices email was down the. It guys said it's ransomware for sure. So they physically went to every device in their school district. So we're talking about a school district of six thousand kids. Went every room went to all of their offices. Disabled unplugged device in that entire school district. And that's that's one way you know sort of a crude way of trying to limit the spread of of these things and then obviously on the back end when all these problems need to go through each and every one of those devices can them makes your their clean. Get them back online. What how often do victims turn to outside help whether that's law enforcement or whether that is digital forensics company to help them abc's extremely common there is entire ecosystem cybersecurity firms specialized in this sort of work. So you have a forensic firm that might come in to try to understand. Hey this is exactly how they got in to your computer system. This is exactly the type of software that they're using. This is exactly the type of data that they took from your system. In addition to that you have other groups. That are adept at negotiating. They actually talk to these groups. They have long term relationships in some cases with many of these groups and they say we can talk them down from ten bitcoin to five bitcoin. Whatever whatever the the number is the so it is sort of an emerging field just within cybersecurity as this is becoming a bigger and bigger problem. How much money are we generally talking about. Because my husband actually just how to ransomware attack on his nonprofit theater company and the attackers were asking for fifteen hundred dollars in bitcoin and eventually they said you know what we're not gonna pay them. We have the backed up data but they did have this moment of thinking in the scheme of our business. It's not that much money like. Are we talking about people who are shooting for big amounts or you know are they targeting twenty five different places for relatively gettable sums across the security community. It's broadly understood that ransom demands are basically going up. The trend line is pointing upward. But it can vary between in the thousands of dollars like as as a case with with your husband. But if you're getting to a larger corporation you have some people who specialized in this area saying that ransom demands could be ten million twenty million dollars. Well so i mean. Obviously attackers are smart enough to know they're not going to go with to attend with a ten million dollar demand to a school district. That certainly can't pay that in. That would make it an easy decision for them. They're they're trying to find like the right price point as well where they can have some sort of a six rate. Do school districts do hospitals. Do these places tend to pay. It really varies. It depends on what type of data has been encrypted. It depends whether those school districts have backed up their data beforehand which would make sort of rebooting the system much easier but what is almost always true. Is that school very cagey about saying whether they paid. No one wants to say that. They paid off a hacker that they gave someone from a country in the side of the other side of the world. A million bucks get their systems online. It's a very difficult. Pr situation for any organization or school to tiptoe around because it says what your system is rable and that you're willing to pay or that you just were bad cybersecurity. I mean all of the above. And i think one of the sort of broader questions that the entire cyber community is really wrestling with is. Should you pay broadly speaking. Are we incentivizing hackers to keep taking advantage of schools or keep taking advantage of businesses if they keep on paying and i understand that argument completely. It's it's very straightforward point of view on the other hand. If your business is offline for two weeks or a month or if your schools taken off line paying off might be the better option to you if it means basically losing all of your customers or you know having kids go out of school for a month or so. Dave says it's a bit of a vicious cycle vulnerable systems plus a willingness to pay tends to lead to more attacks but the victims are only half of the equation. The other half the perpetrators behind that screen demanding. Bitcoin are part of a criminal industry. That is surprisingly organized. One of the interesting things that cyber security researchers really say is these groups oftentimes act almost as corporate entities. They're very professional. They have partnerships between groups at times they subcontract to specialists within the hacking profession. If they have you know someone who's particularly adept at getting into a system. They'll go to that person to try to launch their attack. So you'd really do have this sort of our in de element almost a within the hacking community when it when it comes to them trying to hone their craft and zero win an exactly the right targets when people are negotiating or even having a conversation with. The attackers are to be trusted. Like you know are. Are you gonna trustees folks if they say like okay. Pay us are fifteen hundred bucks in bitcoin. And actually you're going to get your data back or is that a terrible idea. You would think that criminals are not to be trusted in. Obviously they're they're not But at the end of the day these groups are also playing a long game when it comes to their business and they have as i said a reporter with some of these negotiators that work with businesses and schools. If they don't pay if they don't decryption data after you pay them money. Those negotiators will know for their subsequent clients and they will know to not advise clients in the future to pay. So you had this weird dynamic that develops were. The groups are actually like worried about their sort of like brand in some respects. That's completely fascinating. Yeah it's totally wild thing and one lawyer who works in a lot of these investigations like re recently told me we don't wanna get to the level buber comparing it to customer service. But they're like definitely getting to a point where once you pay up in some cases they're trying to be helpful so that in the future they're known as sort of an honest broker while attacks may be more. Frequent ransomware isn't new like with so many other things cove it just accelerated existing trent so we have just seen a growth in the amount of ransomware with some of these criminal groups that have been long established in countries around the world just gravitating toward an effective tool that they're using so when you talk to cybersecurity researchers who follow this closely attribution is very difficult but they tend to say that the countries in which these types of groups operate our might might be the ones that you tend to think of korea iran china countries in the soviet bloc or central asia countries that may tend to look away when cyber criminal groups within their own borders launch an attack on a us business and do foreign governments step in or they unhelpful. I think it's safe to say that the the reason why a lot of this activity oftentimes stems from those countries is because the government's take a more lax approach some of this hacking particularly if it's sort of geared at the united states the. Us government recently has tried to warn businesses against paying somewhere demands. They basically have looked at those states. In particular places like north korea and iran and they've issued warnings to companies saying. Hey if you're targeted by ransomware think twice about paying anyone who is affiliated with someone who sanctioned from those countries. You could violate sanction rules by actually paying up this ransomware. I was really struck by that. Yeah the treasury department was basically sort of saying. Gee even if you're a victim you might be maybe committing a crime here if you pay up. What was their reasoning. Their i mean. I think goes to that discussion that i was mentioning earlier about how we're creating a market for ransomware essentially and i think it's it makes sense to the. Us government's official policy as we shouldn't pay people on our sanction lists and create this market. That said if a company that employs ten thousand or twenty thousand americans has to choose between paying one of these things or laying people off. I mean that's a much different conversation. Be curious to see whether people in law enforcement federal regulators etcetera might take sort of a case by case approach to actually enforcing that sort of thing. I'm trying to figure out where all of this goes. As we maybe move to a post pandemic world Obviously people are gonna still do lots of stuff online. And that's not something. That's going away. But i wonder if you think we are going to keep seeing this increase in ransomware attacks or if this is maybe a bit of a bubble wrought by the pandemic. I think it's probably safe to assume that it will continue increasing. You will still have these criminal groups that make tens of millions of dollars per year doing this stuff who will continue to innovate continue to look for new ways to go after businesses. Continue to do that. Research and development that we mentioned earlier so. I think it's safe to say that. None of that's going to stop
Delaware County Pays $500,000 Ransom After Outages
"Ransomware news. A few things Delaware county pennsylvania has paid half a million dollar ransom after their systems were hit by the d'appel paper ransomware last weekend. And because being pennsylvania that's on a lot of our politically focused people's radar because it was one of the loudly and hotly contested states in the us's recent presidential election So of course. The first question anyone has is whether they ransomware attack which was recent may have had any effect upon the state's election networks so delaware county was quick to state that the bureau of elections and the county's emergency services department were neither of those were affected. They're on a different network than the one that was hacked sources said that the counties in the process of paying this half a million dollar ransom since its insured for such attacks so they figure. Hey what the heck. Let's pay the ransom. Get our get the key and get our systems back up. We're hearing more about d'appel pay more. And so i think this is one that we're gonna be talking about much as we've been talking about you know so dino key be and review and so forth It was derived from its predecessor. Bit pay more and it shares a large body of its code D'appel payment has been improved to add. multi threaded encryption. Because of course that's what you want in your whole server encryption is speed so anyway It's faster now. And in an odd twist the d'appel payment gang apparently advised delaware county to change all their passwords and also modify their windows domain configuration to include safeguards from the use of the mimi cats program. Now it's not clear what those safeguards would be. Maybe like explicitly look for mimi. Cats me cats. We've talked about it from time to time. It's an open source tool. That's been around for about six years since two thousand fourteen. It's commonly used by ransomware gangs to harvest windows domain credentials when they get into a compromise network. So it's one of those. You know lateral movement tools It doesn't qualify as living off the land because it's typically not present on systems that ransomware needs to to download a copy in order to use it but it is on get hub and its author. Six years ago explained that he wrote it as a way to learn see and experiment with locating and extracting windows credentials from the ram of running systems. So yeah it's very much like that. Active directory tool. We were talking about a few weeks ago. It wasn't ever really written to be used for malicious purposes. But boy is it handy for for those you know it extracts things it finds them and extracts amount of ram and d'appel paper is envy. This gang are using me. Cats
Ransomware Stalls Online Learning In Baltimore School District
"All learning stopped in Baltimore County public schools this morning, teachers and students were locked out of their online courses when a ransomware attack halted all of the district's digital systems. Emily Sullivan and member Station W. Y P. R Reports Elena Lama Ke thought she'd seen all possible remote learning blunders. But then, as the kindergarten teacher was preparing for virtual parent teacher conference, she learned of the attacks, I think if it Have been any other year. My panic level probably would have been a lot higher. Honestly, I was like, Of course, there's a cyber attack. She and other teachers are shut out of their grating portals, email and even their phones. I don't know how we're going to navigate this. My hope is that we will be able to get back into our virtual world as soon as possible. Imagine if thieves snuck into school headquarters loaded up every single document and then put those files in a warehouse on Lee. They can enter. That's how ransomware works and encrypt systems and on Lee, the hackers have the key. Avi Rubin is a computer science professor at Johns Hopkins University, he says. While it's too early to say for certain the attacks look serious. I don't think it's completely out of the question that we may not be able to finish out this year if they can't get back in line and then that several weeks, schools are not traditional ransomware targets but as many remain online. Rubin says hackers have more opportunities to infiltrate them. Everybody is now using either zoom or Microsoft teams or some form of remote communication, and that includes students learning in school. There's been at least 30 ransomware attacks on schools this year. This one has left more than 115,000 Children who can't enter their classrooms due to the pandemic without a way to learn. Lama, Ke says she can't believe she's nostalgic for virtual learning. We get excited to see each other every day, and even though they're only seeing each other virtually when one student hasn't they asked, Why aren't they on the screen? Or they send virtual hugs to each other? Baltimore County School officials say they're working with the FBI, and they don't plan on paying ransom
Post-election purge hits cybersecurity
"Cyber security and infrastructure security agency or seesaw was created two years ago within the department of homeland security to shield america's critical infrastructure from cyber attacks its mandate also includes election security and lately it's been debunking misinformation online including false rumors of voter fraud. That are being spread by president trump last week c. says assistant director was pushed out and there have been reports that director. Chris crabs expects to be fired. So what does this all mean for you. Know the other critical infrastructure. Kim zetter a cyber security journalist and author. I asked her what el sisi works on. They do a lot of work. With industrial control systems. Most of our critical infrastructure is privately owned. So we're talking. Water treatment. Plans the electric grid chemical treatment plants. ceaser also has sort of on the ground teams that will come out and do risk assessments of network and cease also a prior to the election was working on getting sensors on election networks to sort of monitor malicious attacks that might be coming into those networks that has been sort of d. h. is mandate to try and bring those networks up to more secure So then what are the national security implications of over in the leadership of the agency. First of all it's just very disruptive especially right now when there's already a lot of chaos men certainty and fear around the rising rate of covid infections and then also a lot of chaos around the election itself in the unsupported claims of voter fraud so at time when the government should have a united front in its response to the health crisis and also for a smooth and peaceful transition to a new administration. This of course creates unnecessary. Upheaval and vulnerability particularly in the eyes of adversaries who might want to take advantage of it. But i should emphasize that even if a figurehead like chris. Crabs is removed. The people on the ground will continue to do that work. It's really just a more of a political issue here now and then also the perception from outside by adversaries i mean it is really interesting that this agency ended up working on misinformation and disinformation. Which would seem to brand disinformation as a national security threat. Right yes it definitely is a concern when you've got this schism between the white house administration and even some top level. Dhs officials and then you've got the schism with the people on the ground within see so who are actually actively trying to fight the misinformation insecure networks. There's always a threat of someone coming in being appointed. Who set of does some of that. Good work. I don't have any concerns about that. I think the people at the and at cease in particular are good at their jobs and securing networks in helping critical infrastructure. And i don't really see that changing generally it seems cybersecurity has been a relatively bright spot right within the the trump ditch us definitely with credit to the trump administration has been at odds with the work season has been trying to do with you know misinformation that they have put out and so has been battling that directly through a rumor control website. Seaside director chris cribs has his own personal. Twitter account has been at odds with that yes. They've been a definite bright spot In terms of trying to get critical infrastructure more secure trying to share information with the private sector about vulnerabilities and especially with election officials. Do you feel like this is an agency that will remain empowered under a biden administration looking forward. Yes definitely i mean. Under the obama administration obama's was the first administration that really made cybersecurity. A top level national security concern and that got strengthened with the creation of seaside under the trump administration see so was stood up by congress as a standalone agency. Signaling the importance of cybersecurity And that won't change under biden. At all. Kim zetter a cyber security journalist and author reuters reported last week that the white house had asked cease to stop aggressively. Debunking election. disinformation and now for some related links. The washington post has a piece from last week about how the biden administration is likely to make funding for election security. Those efforts were consistently blocked over the last four years by senate majority leader mitch. Mcconnell but the post argues that auditable voting machines with paper trails might be more necessary palatable to republicans now that trump has created so much doubt about voting systems and election. Security experts have been calling for those measures for years too. So win win. That story has more reading about biden's likely cybersecurity priorities. It's at marketplace tech dot org along with a pair of stories about how evidently deadly pandemic is an opportunity that draws out the worst people in the world first militias hackers who are attacking school districts demanding ransom posting sensitive information about children online. When they don't get it so that's a special place in hell kind of story and last week. Microsoft put up a blog post warning again about a tax on companies that are working back scenes and treatments for covid nineteen the attacks appear to be coming from russia and north korea the blog post called them unconscionable and said they should be condemned by all civilized society. The post also pointed to ransomware attacks on hospitals and healthcare companies in september. A woman in germany died at a hospital that was under cyberattack because her treatment was delayed officials. Say it's likely the first known death resulting from ransomware attack.
Kim Ng Makes Baseball History
"We'll somali i. Can you talk about your own relationship with kim hang. How did you get to know her. I started reporting on the dodgers around two thousand eight or nine with espn. And i'd see her on the field and she always was just kind of calmly standing there and you know just seemed like whatever interaction she had with people were seemed to be efficient and short and so it kind of intrigued me. Who is this person. So we just got to talking like. Oh this is this is coming. She's says gm and all of a sudden she's telling me stuff like we've got this kid kenley jansen as a catcher. You really can't hit those we put them on a mound and the results are interesting. Clayton's working on a slider molly. You should really check it out. But the where she would say it was so matter of fact and so dislike whole-home that that's kind of what stood out to me about her and then we've kept in touch over the years. How would you describe her personality. What she like completely unflappable. I think the first thing that needs to be done is. I've got a really familiarize myself with all. The ins and outs of the players. Deadpans are totally cool under pressure. Like the person you gonna call if you were kidnapped and needed the ransom delivered by noon with no you know without tipping off the police or anything else you. She won't be there. Where are we who these players are. And you know. That's that's at this point. The nuts and bolts of the job. Well for those. Who don't know that much about kim. And can you tell us about her career path so she played softball diversity of chicago. She was an infielder. She was really good. I was really a a sports nut love to play and she then became an intern with the white sox and twenty one years old working in the white sox baseball ops as an intern and at the time the other white sox were very good club had a lot of good young players and it was really just about learning and soaking it. All in absorbing all that i could and by the time she was twenty nine she was brian. Cashman the yankees assistant general manager and that was in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight. They won titles ninety eight ninety nine and two thousand now. Let's be clear here. That had she been a man she would have gotten a gm job somewhere else. But that didn't happen. Molly you about saying and how. She operated differently than her peers in l. a. Can you tell us about that. I mean that that dodgers organization was by a bunch of guys who were so emotional so yell at each other so in their feelings she was just sort of just like standing there. Like i can't believe you guys and so it was just like toddlers running around at her feet. Two thousand five. The gm position becomes open and she interviewed for that job. What happens there. She was by all accounts. She was right there and franklin court the former owner of the dodgers wanted to hire her her pedigree spoke for itself. She had three world series rings. She had sixteen years in the business and the owner frank mccord. He wanted the credit of hiring the first female general manager. But what i was told later was that he was scared of the backlash of being the first guy to fire a female general manager. Because as we know it's a cutthroat industry n. gm's they don't their shelf life long even talented ones and so that was one of the reasons he was too scared of that. I guess the mcchord years got really ugly and about i say i wanna say two months before. The dodgers filed for bankruptcy. Because of a court drove the team into the ground. She got out of there and went to work with joe. Torry be again demonstrating how smart. She is molly. You know as well as anybody that kim has been talked about for basically twenty years now as the person who is going to be the first woman. Gm in baseball. Do you have a sense. For how many teams have considered her or interviewed for this position. Because yesterday when i wrote my story i published. I said as far as we know. The dodgers angels the padres the giants the mariners. They've all any reader and within like two minutes. My story going up. Somebody with orioles texted me. Oh we interviewed or to like it was just like everybody is interviewed her. Just sit there going through this anymore. They're just putting me through this so they can fill their quota or whatever i'm not gonna put myself section but she just did not give up and that's really the way a lot of my career has gone is just every step of the way it working as hard as i could give you my nose to the grindstone and just you know getting to the next level but i think this is so valuable to any of us who do have specific dream in mind about something. We'd like to do one day. And that's you know when you call close and you don't get that job that you desperate for just got a flick flush it and let it go and not let it break you to the point where you're not going to try again.
Caleb Barlow Discusses Healthcare Industry Ransomware Attacks and Measures to Prevent Cybercrimes
"Welcome to the healthcare policy podcast on the host David Intra Cosso. This podcast discussed cybercrime or ransomware attacks against hospitals and other healthcare providers with Collab- Barlow CEO Synergistic Tech this barlow welcome to the program. Hey pleasure to be here. David. Mr Biles vile is, of course, posted on the podcast website. On background computer or cybercrimes against healthcare providers, more of a hospitals, disabled computer networks holding them for ransom. Frequently for Bitcoin fee, the tax have been prevalent since at least two, thousand and ten. This past month however, universal health services with over four hundred locations. Over in the US suffered a cyber attack disabling it's company wide computer network causing some it's hospitals to revert to pen and paper recordkeeping also last month the first known death. Resulted from a ransomware attack in Germany when a patient did not survive transferred to another hospital. Though a twenty nineteen hhs report found between twenty, twelve and sixteen. Hospital deaths increased after ransomware attacks. Earlier this month covid nineteen VACs. A covid nineteen vaccine trial was delayed by more attack or at least one. Likely. The most costly ransomware attack was to the UK's national health service in seventeen that amounted to an estimated one, hundred, twenty, million in it costs and lost productivity. ransomware attacks are on the increase especially amongst small hospitals, particularly vulnerable to phishing attacks, lasting upwards of tumor weeks because of their lean or inadequate security support. As Josephine Wolf noted in October Seventeen New York Times editorial quote Unquote cybersecurity shortcomings in the healthcare sector needs to be addressed now. More than ever when medical care is increasingly being offered via remote online formats. In twenty twenty states introduced more than two hundred and eighty cybersecurity related bills enacting several related to task forces or commissions training. Cybersecurity insurance in criminal. Penalties. The US Senate and House passed seven cybersecurity bills whoever not specifically addressed the healthcare industry and none became law. With me again and discuss healthcare cybersecurity is synergise texts, CEO. COLLAB- Barlow so club with that. As background LET'S START WITH A. Primer Info. I've read these ransomware products. in part are. Titled or named Wannacry Laki Win Plock encrypt locker. Are some these known ransomware product. So my question is, how do these encrypt clinical data and to what effect? So. So basically, what happening if you look at ransomware incident is a you know a narrow will gets access to a network and that could be as simple as grabbing somebody's credentials. You know maybe you were on a retail site, use the same credentials you used at work that retail site was compromised and There are many locations on the dark web that will. Sell compromised credentials or could have been through a phishing attack once the bad guy is into the network then there's two primary things that they're looking to do first is to move laterally. They WANNA get as much access across the networks they can, and there are a variety of tools that they'll deploy. They will actually help them harvest additional credentials once they've got a beachhead. On, the network in addition to harvesting new credentials and kind of moving lateral or what we call lateral movement. The other thing that are going to do is to try to elevate their privilege. So going from maybe an administrator or you know a nurse and triage and maybe getting access to their credentials, they're going to try to work their way up to a network. Administrator or someone that controls access to the whole domain once they've been able to get in and move their tentacles around the organization, then they're going to deploy their payroll, which is one of several of the tools that you mentioned will allow them to then lock things up effectively what these tools, our cryptographic tools, and they basically take the entire hard drive at the device. Scramble it and lock it up with a cryptographic key. What we've seen of late is the bad guys oftentimes insert a new step just before scrambling data, locking it all up in that the exfiltrated lot of it, and they're using that to increase their chances of getting paid by potentially threatening to. The organization by releasing that data if they don't pay ransom. Okay. Thank you so. I in my reading. It's uncertain Saul. Asked you this question? What's your understanding? How frequently? Is this occurring in the healthcare sector? Oh, it's every day I mean literally every single day because you got to remember what you read about in the news is only a very small fraction of what's actually going on even though technically speaking ransomware incident is as far as I'm concerned reportable incident because you gotta remember if the bad guy had enough access to walk up your data, they had the same level of access needed to read the data and they actually in many cases had the same level access needed to change the data. So the problem is you've actually lost control of that system when you've had a ransomware incident. I. So that was that was a question I did have. Other than. Possibly, making this data public and you know healthcare data's is is is confidential proprietary, of course. What do they typically do this data other than hold it hostage? Well remember, this is a organized crime. It is a volume organization you're dealing with a human on the other end and that human is organized right. You're not the only target, their targeting dozens of organizations at the same time in many cases are teams of thirty individuals and you know there's a breakdown on that team there's a project manager of a boss. There's people that are responsible for getting access. There's people that are responsible for moving laterally people responsible for elevating credentials and people are responsible for negotiating. Once walked up system
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"ransom" Discussed on Life On Main
"Living life on the main purpose as designed by God. I am pastor. Tim Golden on these podcasts. Focus is growing relationship with God maturing in the faith through his word stewarding our relationships with one another as well as learning to make disciples as we share the gospel of Jesus Christ each day highlights one of these facets of spiritual character growth and stewardship. So be sure to come back each day to grow a strong and healthy walk with the Lord. Now let's see what the Holy Spirit wants to show us today. I'm past aloys. Pass through the community Christian Church can ask for my and my co host is asked a committee. Golden Pasco light on main in child's on the answer and it's a joy I bring to you each episode thirty three concerning for example. The topic which we've been doing rally. We'll be doing for a number of weeks. Is the reasons that Jesus came now. We have thirty one reason. Jesus came to Earth and today. We're going to look at the said. Jesus came a ransom and I'm excited because whenever I talk about Jesus Christ coming in. Pay My ransom something which. I could not have no legal claims to be able to pay. I can't do there's a my humanity. I just so excited about this. Jesus Christ the son of God God himself paid the ransom for you for me and I really excited about so. We'RE GONNA be getting into a episode. I'M GONNA ask back. The timber fee would open and then we have a couple of scripture vs on spat with and then we'll just go Into other has they took him and then we will start at discussion. It's probably load. We do thank you for this opportunity. We have to come into people's homes to be able to share the good news of the Gospel together and to be able to hear mostly from you as you speak to our hearts and we asked that you'd be in our time together that you would enlighten our minds. You help us to live more. According to what it is that you designed to be and we give you honor impression your holy name. Amen Amen Man you know I think. Tim One of the things typically sided with descriptive essence. I really wonder how many folks really understand the costs.
"ransom" Discussed on Pro Rata
"Sporadic we'd take just ten minutes to get you smarter conclusion of Tech Business Politics under this show the FCC is message for facebook and possible space crash in Silicon Valley but first holding Holding cities ransom so last Friday the city government of New Orleans shutdown not at five. PM would normal Friday but hours earlier after the detection of a cyber attack in its municipal computer network but the city referred to as an abundance of caution resulted in all of its computer. Networks Internal and External Journal being taken off line city offices the physical ones were closed. And even the official New Orleans homepage unavailable now New Orleans officials say there is no evidence evidence that actual information was compromised but not all of it. Systems are back online. Yet and the overall episode reflects the vulnerabilities of city governments to cyber intrusions at a time time when more and more of their services including vital sometimes life saving information are being provided. Virtually one thing missing here from the New Orleans attack was a so called request for ransom. which is when a hacker demands money to put everything back to normal but ransomware attacks against US cities and towns are more common than you might think and often very difficult to navigate by the numbers here Barracuda Networks reported in September that fifty? US cities and towns had seen ransomware attack so far in two thousand nineteen and a more recent report from a company called MC soft puts the number north of one hundred and that latter report expands the figure to nine hundred fifty if you also include educational healthcare CARE systems now when it comes with how to deal with these attacks. There are no easy answers on the one hand. You don't want to encourage future intrusions by paying off the hackers but on the other hand the ransoms are often cheaper than not paying them and then having to fix the damage a lesson that many corporations have learned and begun to heed. The bottom line here is that what happened in New Orleans. Could well be coming to a city or town near you and it seems that the best possible solution in these cases at least for now is to pull the plug if fifteen seconds will go deeper with axios cities editor Kim heart but first this axios gives you the news and analysis. You need to get smarter faster. On the most important topics in our unique smart brevity grabbed format we cover topics from politics to science in media to tech subscribed to get smarter faster at sign-up Dot axios Dot Com and now back to the program podcast. We're joined now by axios. Cities Editor Kim heart do cities and other local government entities usually actually know when their systems systems are being attacked Not really in fact. The International City and County Management Association found that about thirty percent of local governments. Don't know how often their systems are attacked act and the ones that do know say that sixty percent or being attacked on a daily if not an hourly basis so they know they're being attacked they may not even know how often often though you look at the situation New Orleans and obviously we don't still know huge amount about the actual intrusion except say must have been more significant than probably you know some kid you know getting into the system because they decide to basically take everything off line from your perspective. was that prudent. In other words the New Orleans do the right thing kind of this abundance of caution strategy. Yeah I think probably so I mean I think the guidance coming out of federal and state governments is to if you see any sort of suspicious activity take everything down disconnect from the network and try to troubleshoot. It sounds like this. Troubleshooting is taking longer than they expected even as of an update on Nola dot com late last night. I'm an early this morning. A lot of systems are still down. Police are recording incidents manually. They had to put up a temporary website so that people could still do other city business and most of it is coming down to pen Henin paper and the city council meeting on Thursday is likely to be impacted as well so that suggests that they are expecting it to take upwards of a week to figure out what actually went down and how to fix it but I think in a city like New Orleans that's used to have had their fair share of disasters and emergencies to deal with. I think they are use. Used to going with the abundance of caution route in trying to be as careful as possible until a sniff out every corner is principally that these attacks both serious and not as serious areas are on the rise. Yes absolutely I think that cities and local and county governments are increasingly targets. I think hackers assume rightly or not that these city governments are lower staffed than corporations probably don't have as much. It and technically skilled workers who have a lot of cybersecurity training and knowledge on her up on all the latest trends and technological patches to help protect cities and systems from this kind of intrusion and so they're becoming easy targets corporations operations are definitely the top target because they have money and are often more willing to pay the ransomware attacks but they also have more talent and more skilled skilled workers to draw on to help guard their systems from these kinds of intrusions. So I think that one of the biggest problems that sitting in local governments are facing right now is that they just have a harder time recruiting recruiting and retaining the talent that they really need to help keep their systems secure in the most robust way you mentioned ransomware and let me ask about that. There's no indication there was a ransom request in this particular case in New Orleans Orleans but they often are an attack municipal systems and there seems to be a split philosophy. Here part of it is the whole. We don't negotiate with terrorists philosophy right. We can't pay ransom because if it gets out and becomes made public which it probably will because the payment from a public entity that's just going to encourage others to attack our system. The other argument is it often. It's cheaper to pay off the ransom. Rather than having to rebuild your entire system are either one of those philosophies seeming to win out right. Now you know it's really hard to say which one is winning out. I do think that there is evidence to show that the argument that if you pay a ransomware attacker than that just encourages that AH actively to continue experts out there have said well it's not really encouraging a market because the market's already there it's clear that the market is there in the increasing number of ransomware attacks however however for some cities the best response might be to pay the ransom than us the millions of dollars that would have been spent on recovering the systems after that to strengthen the cyber defenses before the the next attack so that they're more prepared going forward but a lot of cities Atlanta and Baltimore have been hit Baltimore chose not to pay the ransom and it might cost twenty million dollars to restore systems which is significantly more than what the ransom was in the first place I was like seventy five thousand dollars. Someone's really I think that there but but it really just depends on. I think what the city council decided to do. And what their particular resident base you know really feel strongly about since they you know their elected officials and they're trying to the citizens like what the federal role if any obviously we're talking here about local governments municipal government so we're talking about a lack of money and lack of technological resource is there federal role here and if so what is it i. I know there's apparently this call zero trust pilot program what can and should the federal government be doing. I think what the federal government is doing more of is trying to be be more of a resource for these governments. That just don't have the same amount of resources that the federal government does that mean for. The federal government also has a hard time compared to corporations of attracting the same amount of technical talent. But when you're talking about the intelligence community and essay and whatnot. They do have a huge amount of expertise to draw from and so the federal government is moving into the direction of zero. Trust as you mentioned and what that is it operates on the assumption that anything outside corporate network is a security risk a so anything anything that comes outside or even inside. That might be a little bit. Amiss is considered suspicious and at risk so administrators are using new precautions like end to end encryption multifactoral authentication identity access management and analytics to control access. No none of that probably sounds new to anyone who works in a corporation but it is still fairly new at the city level. And so but I think we're going to see more of is the federal government trying to not necessarily mandate specific activities like this but strongly encouraging it and providing more more and more training and resources so it sounds cities need to beef up but also keep a bunch of pen and paper handy if that doesn't Work Kim heart editor of cities. Thank you so much for joining us. Thank my final two right after this there is more news than ever before but these days it's harder than ever find it and to know what to trust axios. AM takes effort out of getting smart by synthesizing thing the ten stories. That will drive the day and telling you I. They matter subscribe at sign up dot axios DOT COM and now back to the podcast the final two and first of his facebook which may not have to wait long for new and very significant government regulation as first reported by The Wall Street Journal. The Federal Federal Trade Commission is considering immediate. Move to block the company from integrating the back end infrastructure of its three messaging platforms. which are facebook messenger her? What's APP and Instagram? Why this matters is that facebook's original decision to merge the three was viewed by some as a preemptive move against D C under the old mantra that it's harder to unwind merger once gets completed and facebook is desperately afraid of being forced to divorce? It's big blue APP from either of its sister. APPS so is racing facing to make them technologically inseparable now the FCC isn't yet commenting publicly but we're to move forward. It would have to do it this way. I ask for an injunction against against facebook in federal court and in court demonstrate to the judge that harm to consumers is likely if facebook proceeds with integration plans. The tricky part here will be improving harmed consumers given the facebooks products are free plan. Finally a company called Vector launch on Friday filed for chapter eleven bankruptcy protection which some view as the I possible crack in a recent boom small satellite launch companies vectored raised over ninety million dollars in venture capital funding since being formed in two thousand sixteen including leading by arguably the most venerated venture. Firm of all time sequoia capital but this past summer sequoia quietly decided to stop investing for the source saying that it felt vector was spending too much money and not meeting enough of its own projections. That decision may have led to two vectors lenders opting against providing new lines of credit thus leading to around around one hundred and fifty layoffs and the bankruptcy filing in short make your numbers for Lsu risk crashing. And we're done. Thanks for listening to my producers. Tim Show is Naomi Shaven. Have a great Barbie and Barney Backlash Day. And we'll be back tomorrow with another pro rata podcast..
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"Gray had pleaded not guilty to charges. She tried to extort fifty thousand dollars from her husband in an elaborate elaborate kidnapping hoax but even though investigators considered me gray the victim to the surprise of money he decided to stand by his wife. Fire Fire Criminal. West read even appeared on the today show and offered total support for Quin. It's been a roller coaster of emotion. From from the onset. There are times when you sit in front of the FBI and they present you evidence that That she was the mastermind of this and you have no choice but to believe leave that entirely at that point but I believe in all of my heart. She was kidnapped. Mom also stood firmly behind her daughter. Saying Jasmine has monitor. WHO's to blame? At least she was just manipulated and her mind snapped. You believe she's telling the truth absolutely in the sheriff well they don't understand what can happen to a person who has a mental illness says. Her daughter suffers from bipolar disorder. They form of mental illness marked by both manic. Highs and beep depressions. I think that she was having a severe bipolar her manic episode. She thought she was going to die. You have to remember. She's just a Hanley Hazelton. She was in a very fragile situation. Quinn had only recently been released from the Hazelden clinic where she'd undergone treatment for alcohol abuse. Her Mom thinks that once quin stopped self medicating with alcohol. Her bipolar disorder suddenly emerged on the today. Show said Quinn's family had a history of bipolar disorder. I know there's definitely something not right. Because that's that's not the white that I know wins. Mom felt her daughter had a strong defense. She says that on the tape as it says says he will release. It's one of the few places on the tape where he sounds like her captor and not her lover never heard the day says it was because of Queens mental condition that her daughter had sex with those and he started blowing in her ear and I think she just wanted to feel the comfort in the feeling of feeling secure and loved maybe with the guy who would just brutally abducted her in her mental state. Yes yes I believe. That is exactly what happened to her but doesn't make her sound victim. Well you have to think it through a little bit more carefully and she. I thought this man is going to save my life. And it's going to restore me to my family. Also points out that investigators were never able to document the supposed affair between Quinn and as Monolithic. Investigators admit. They couldn't find shred of evidence that the two had any relationship before that Labor Day weekend visit given you any pause at all that there's no proof that those two knew each other before Labor Day weekend you know it does. And it doesn't. We knew that their encounter was consensual. You can tell that from the tape yes regardless of gender relationship started. They knew reach other and they were involved with each other remain sane but the prosecutor in the case Jennifer Dunn says. Her office was never shown any proof. Oof Quinn really does suffer from a mental illness using anything to indicate that Quinn Gray was already diagnosed bipolar before that weekend. No her doctor had made the assertion that he believed. She was bipolar. Although backed off that a little bit and said she did not meet all the criteria in January of two thousand and ten four months after the incident. Jasmine has Montevideo pleaded guilty to extortion in court appearances. The formerly cocky hockey. Perhaps even arrogant mechanic mel appeared looking like a man who's been had criminal but Quinn Gray decided to continue take her fight in the state of Florida for periods case against the wealthy mom the strengths of our case were all the Times that Quinn gray was left alone. She was left alone several times overnight. She was often left in cars and STRAS MONTEVERDE may trips into various businesses businesses. All proving that she could've walked away she'd wanted to could have escaped therefore it wasn't a real kidnapping cracked. What was the truth at one point? Read Gray arranged a private lie detector test for his wife and according to assistant state attorney done the results were not what he expected. Ivan the provided records that she did not Pass that polygraph. She was deceptive. I believe at some point. He also indicated he eventually listened to that tape Which you had not listened to to it previously? He's not a dumb man smart man he's a successful businessman. He was connected. The dots to read great eventually changed his mind and with with it his support for his wife in August of two thousand ten. He was granted a divorce and now shares custody of the couple's daughters re we did not want to be interviewed by dateline but told US I wanted to thank law enforcement and the state for all their hardworking efforts to ensure the safety the of my family perhaps twin was ready to move on with her life in February of two thousand eleven. She pleaded no contest to extortion torsion. was something her mom encouraged. I didn't want a jury to find her guilty and sent her to prison. Contests blue is basically admitting your I understand that a no cut it based should not have to go to prison. Quinn sent us a statement saying she was abducted at gunpoint and never knew as but added. I do not deny all forms of responsibility for things that occurred after the abduction and she says because of her mental state at the time her past experiences and her fresh recovery from alcoholism as manipulated my every thought and completely altered my belief system about my life. I made the decision to accept a no contest plea to avoid a lengthy salacious trial that could have further emotionally. Harmed my family. My mental health the road to recovery Quinn Gray and Yasmine as monitor which were both sentenced to time served in jail given probation in order to repay a total of eighty. Six thousand dollars in overtime costs that were run up by all the law enforcement personnel work. That weekend I'm trying to find Quinn. Both declined to be interviewed. Both are now free. What's in this for? Quin GRA I. I don't know I mean if she divorces her husband should get a lot more than fifty thousand dollars. It was a call for help. We're always at a psychological call for help on. I don't know the answer to that. Was it a desperate act to get a ten. I don't know the answer to that but I can tell you. She sure picked a very colorful way to do it. It's hard to pull off a fake kidnapping. It just is. That's all for now. I'm Lester Holt for all of us at N._B._C.. News thanks for watching..
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"And then there were parts of that recording that made even veteran investigators blush sure on the tape the to head. What sounds like intimate consensual sex? Nothing like the rape when the -scribed really does the Sheriff said that from the get-go he and FBI officials were suspicious about this case questioning if this was a legitimate abduction but they had no option. They say but to proceed as if Quinn really had been taken hostage in the end the recording which made gave them all the proof. They needed that. This was not a kidnapping but rather an elaborate hoax. Folks the peers real goal. The Sheriff said was to extort fifty thousand dollars from Queen's husband read. We all smelled a rat. I mean it just. It wasn't right. There were many things that just didn't add up. It started with a ransom note. It was in Queens handwriting and the unusually long secondly investigators never needed to ask for proof of life during the abduction because the kidnappers regularly allowed out Quinn to talk on the phone and finally there was Queens shocking debriefing where she said she enjoyed having sex with the man she had described described as her captor allstate would would later say that he met by chance at a gas station just weeks earlier. A conversation started ended. Affair soon. Blossomed something that was strongly suggested by the recording. The told different stories of how the whole kidnapping plot evolved but authorities authorities suggest that wins motive was to get the money. Leave her husband and start a new life. But clearly as Montijo wasn't convinced against Quinn would stick to their story. You think he because he thought that at some point he was going to get a cat kidnapping her and he needed to prove that it wasn't his idea. Yeah or that it was her idea and I just went along for the ride and it was probably a smart thing for him to do. I mean because it revealed to us in no uncertain terms that Quinn Green Gray was not a victim. Jasmine was arrested for extortion. And before the sheriff publicly announced Quinn's arrest. He had a heart to heart talk with her husband. Tough conversation for you to have your spouse made this thing up and she he had relations with a guy that were consensual. We know that was consensual because we got a tape recording and crystal clear. How do you process that information? One day after Rosemont riches arrest Quin Rei was placed in custody. We arrested Quinn Gray and charged her with extortion This this was an extortion attempt. In the beginning it was not a kidnapping win pleaded not guilty after her arrest. She was defiant if I wanted. Fifty thousand dollars. All I do take it out of the bank account. You have a sexual relationship with monitor. I did not. I did not know him. Why would someone make this stuff up? You wouldn't make it out because it's the truth. I'm talking about him. Why would he make this up? Because he's a criminal came in touch with short fifty thousand dollars from title and in another shocking twist. We'd gray decided to stand by his wife. I want my wife to Come out of this feeling wonderful. Wanted to feel great about everything after this is all over I think that's maybe dot com coming up. Her husband seemed to be standing by Quin. But what did her mother thing you believe. She's telling the truth and then what kind of legal price would pay for. Her escapade.
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"The Jasmine Mama which was suspect number one in the abduction of Quinn Gray Noah. It's funny you should say that way past day. He was denying any involvement whatsoever and and said he didn't know her he even said he didn't fit Quinn's description of the culprit. Now she said you were from being a you know what I mean. Come on come on give me a break. Not only that but as a mechanic said he thought he was being set up to be the fall guy in this highly public case he was concerned and because she has money and he doesn't but he's going to get the short end of the stick. Yeah he did say that you know. She's this ritual from Vija. And I have this goes and he expressed a great deal concern about that. It seems like Sense obviously she's richest on my ass. She's what she's richest care. That's what she is in an interrogation that would ultimately last nearly eight hours. Detective Howard Cole tried to keep talking. Even when the suspect tested Kohl's fools patients. He thought he was smarter than us. He well he wanted to control the interview and truthfully he drove me crazy thing that I find anything because let's just like you said you've got an acute. I want you absolutely. He's walking around the interrogation room talking about his. IQ You hear that a lot from suspects that not that ED overtly. It's Kinda for most of them to think it. It's very rare for them to actually say it. I'm smarter than her husband or would have no doubt about it but awesome telling you and you know what this is bs. Here's book and it's the occurs. The stoldas headed the way. It is eventually relented. He admitted he may have known. When Greg New York do you not know then but those said that? Even if he did know Quinn he could still prove his innocence. He kept talking like code. And you now at one point I was like you know. I don't understand what you're trying to tell me. Just explain to me what you're trying to tell me. And then he's like how you cops you videos and this and that he's like well I got got my own audience. However for some reason he wasn't willing to share that secret audiotape with investigators? He claims he has this tape. That's exculpatory story. That gets him off the hook. Yes Sir we won't give it to you know in the kind of blew my mind because I'm here telling him he's faced. You know if if I don't get this tape and if I don't get it now you know he's facing kidnapping sexual battery. Extortion of insisted that secret recording he made would be his get out of jail. Free Rijkaard and I put a tape recorder with her voice in my worst in front of you we can go. Tell me about these takes. What's on these tapes sir? The tape the tape is not going nowhere number of possession which I hid way off the location okay. Why would you do that? What would you take that you remember? Apart from even under the threat of arrest as Mon refused to hand over the recording or give its is location. It was just a war of attrition and he knew that he was ended up to his eyeballs. The next day after his interrogation was completed detective Cole received some crucial information about that recording. We learned of the existence of the tape from Jasmine. The next morning we learned of. It's it's possible location. The location was as Mama which is home. His ex girlfriend had gotten a hold of it and turn the recording over to mount of his sister. Sort the sister then gave the tape to an attorney. We got a call from a defense attorney in Jacksonville and he said Take the call. I think we have something you might be interested in. Finally investigators had the tape and when they pressed plaque couldn't believe what they heard that recording according lead. Sheriff David Shore to call a press conference. He had a major announcement as our education is developed. We arrested Quinn Gray coming up just what was on. That tape. Quin been the victim. Everyone thought when dateline continues at last investigators had the secret recording that Jasmine had tantalizingly refused to.
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"Two days after her release when remembered something important it was a new lead for investigators. Investigators the big thing that she says during the conversation is on Sunday morning. We were at Publix right there. Microbes Landing Vija. Quinn remembered the kidnapper bought. What food from a public supermarket while she was in captivity and she remembered specifically what he purchased Chicken uh-huh Damn paper cheating detectives went to the public's where a manager check the stores computers and found a match for those items armed with the exact time the food purchase was made? Investigators scam the supermarket surveillance footage from that moment and they found this man win confirmed it. He was the kidnapper. She gave us enough information to go find his picture and public's and posted on the Internet and posted on the news. Witnesses describe demand you being mid twenties or early thirties and about five eight two six feet tall and now they need your help in hopes of solving this case two days later a nine one one operator received a call communications. How can they help you? I I need to talk to somebody about I was paying him. I picture appeared for some kind of women kidnapping you. I'm actually my way that's my surnames. Osmanovic and within an hour jazz melas monitor which ended up here at the sheriff's Office. I definitely want people with did. He didn't seem to have a care in the world that he was considered the prime suspect in the kidnapping sheriff's Detective Howard Cole conducted the investigation. What did you learn about Jasmine amount of which? He is a Bosnian immigrant. He comes from a very good family he was involved involved in the auto mechanic. Trade has a college education was one or two classes away from a degree in criminal justice gangster. Absolutely not the cards. But he did match Quinn's description of her abductor while he was not Albanian he did have an accent said he had no idea the idea why anyone would be looking for rights. In the United States constitution he freely signed a document waiving his right to remain silent. He also said he had an alibi for the night. Quinn Gray was kidnapped. He was at a bar and met a girl named stacy. Okay tell me about Stacey. Oh Aw we're just GONNA have to but his story had more than a few holes as montage wasn't sure of Stacy's last name He. He didn't never phone number her address. Here's a character. What can I tell you? And he was like I did not have that and by the end of the day. You'll see I'm walking out of here. In addition as Monash which said he saw Quinn's picture in the media and he didn't know our Nassar. I mean she looks up a blunt check on the the pitching side on this one. Sir She she. She does look like anybody that I know. Okay but the atmosphere quickly changed. When coal brought in a photo of Queen Congra- We've already been to the public's you know why because this woman brought us there okay? So what did I do. She is saying that you have duct to her. How yes sir? I have more than enough evidence to charge based on her paw and then the detective started to apply pressure tools. Mon- of it for are you to say that you don't even know her concerns. Me Greatly. Jasmine concerns me greatly. Because this woman I can assure you but knows you do you absolutely and I know she knows and I know you know her. I told you everything you were at the hotel. The third Saturday and Sunday night. Yes and I'm not going on her word. On the clerk's work detective Cole told us he had been identified. Not only by Quin but also by an employee of the Emerson. In who said that on the same weekend Quinn went missing. He saw US Rosemont of each with Quinn in room. Two Oh seven. It's horrible thing that I took her jeans and her in the same hotel in the same room at the same time. Nobody each other chances. Let's let's let's let's let's cool referred back to Quinn's photo and Taunting Lee asked if this was the woman. Stacey does Montjuich claimed he was with the night. Quinn was abducted. It's hard word against mine. Now it's more than that now and how's it more because independent people that on the job together. If there's something more to it in this woman's not telling the truth you need to be unwanted talented buddy and if she is telling the truth holy tribe maintained he did nothing wrong and not only only that. He said he couldn't breathe it. He had a secret recording. That was going to clear his name. Coming up the battle to get a hold the vet recorded and then what it reveals when you heard that tape. Would you think I'm a cop eleven years it's been on this planet forty. I blushed rushed when I listened to the tape. 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"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"All of in some new Quinn Gray was finally prepared to tell all the details of her kidnapping. You feel relocating. You feel like you're able to talk and get this out detective George Harrison of the Saint. John's County Sheriff's Department was chosen to interview her asks her start from the very beginning. Act as if she had not told anyone this story before to go back to you. Wake up Friday. Tell me Your Day Friday. It was just a normal. Aw Absolutely Normal Quinn. said she had a facial at a local SPA went to Yoga class and ran errands in her Mercedes. Suv Suv when she returned home she went up to her bedroom. So up tha closet to change her clothes. He came in this way and said. Don't do tasty here for you and he's got a gun. Yellow Robert Blossom startled by the gunman queen screen but she. He was the only one home. Her husband was at work or kids in school. He's gone to my head and I mean I'm swinging lamer. How did she describe this guy? He was a sharpshooter or sniper in the Albanian military that goes around doing these kind of jobs. She said that he he he had some type of foreign accent facing the the evil is is like the gunman said he was not there for Quinn But for the fifty thousand dollars that read Gray Oh to a loan shark funny since tolerated no hiding from which inches housework and unlike it's forty dollars twenty thousand armour distri month. That's why it doesn't make sense that my husband Bauer thousand dollars. Just in our and then the kidnappers started to restrain quin warmer ties. Then she said the gunman took her out of the house eventually threw her into the back of a van frightened and crying. She was driven around for what seemed like hours. She had no idea where she was being taken and she feared she would never see her husband or two daughters again. The van eventually stopped and Quinn was brought into some sort of warehouse possibly a mechanics garage. She was strapped into a chair. Here with more ZIP ties. And that's when she became very frightened mouse taper case. This point. New Deputies later took photos of the marks Quinn said were made by the ZIP ties. Pull too tight win was then left left alone in the dingy dirty warehouse. She heard what sounded like a TV on in another room foreign voices and screaming and decide looking around the room and paying for paint over another chair. It's all stinky maybe Maybe this is like a torture room. Maybe this whole momentum torture them before they children windbreak says she believed this could be the last day of her in life. Whatever this going on I live and survive after being left in the chair for hours the kidnap it never returned and eventually cut her free she said at some point he realized he was going to have to let her sleep or lay down to try to sleep so he let her lay down down and then a few minutes later he laid down next to her? He begins to kiss on her neck. And I said what's going through your mind and she said I'm thinkin again we're going to have sex. We're going to have sex wasn't going to To them so I tried tried to make it the best possible the more he loves it. Maybe have a chance you know what I mean. Take a couple of deep breaths. You can kind of get yourself together. Take time off. So then sex happens and I asked her her to as best she could describe that for me because it was important if she remembered anything identifiable about this guy and she described explicit sex every position all night long. Quinn said she didn't try to fight off for kidnapper because she thought it might save her life. It's really embarrassing on an and acted like I enjoyed it. I sometimes I almost did listen. It's not it's not unusual won't have weird feelings and thoughts into your head while you're exposed to a massive amount of charm. Sheriff David Shore later watched that interview. The bottom line is people react. Different under stress must have been stunning to hear somebody described sexual assault as something that they enjoy. Yes it was quite it was. It was stunning when she was held at that warehouse. Quinn said she spent the first hellish night sleeping on a concrete floor. But the next day the kidnapper move her to a motel the Emerson in Backley. He makes a decision that we're going to go to hotel for the night. Rethink sinkhole at the Emerson. Quinn said the kidnapper also brought his gun to the Emerson and threatened to kill her husband and children talk if she didn't cooperate mentally broken. Quinn obeyed all the kidnappers demands. The detective asked Quinn to share as much detail detail of her entire experience as possible hoping to glean some clues she remembered something that seemed incidental but something that would later turn out to the crucial to the investigation not changing nets and drinks for us so eating like spicy chicken overlaps with also told police that unlike what was written in the original ransom note she no longer believed three men were involved in her kidnapping very very got instincts. Now I'm clearly thinking getting allies that there's not anyone else but him. The interview lasted almost six towers. It wasn't the end of the Queen. Anne reads anguish. They were frightened to return. Home will be different than being in the house right now. We is not only going back read later. said he was extremely worried for his family's safety. No Sir nobody. I need to know that guys caught two and investigators also also desperately wanted to catch that guy a good. Look at the surveillance video taken from a valley. We're about to get some unexpected help. Help I need somebody. Bought my picture of one. Nothing coming up the man in the video. The man Quinn says abducted Eric. Gunpoint comes forward. But he's not exactly what investigators Peter's expect it comes from. The very good family has a college education gangster absolutely not dateline continues..
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"After telling her family she was abducted from her home by armed kidnappers. Days later a Florida mom has very suddenly been freed. It's a stunning running. Turn of events but for everyone who loves her and the investigators have been trying to find her. It isn't over. There's another shock in store here. Forget Josh Mankiewicz Wind Gray had finally been released after three days of captivity but when she she was brought to the FBI's Jacksonville headquarters. Quinn started blaming. Her husband read for putting her through the whole ordeal. Aw that she said that. If Reid had only given the money to the kidnappers on that first night she was abducted. She might have been set that free much earlier. Repeatable high as it turned out investigators had been suspicious of Quinn's husband from the very beginning. Sheriff David Shore. I spoke with Reid right after Quinn was kidnapped when you talk to the victim's husband read gray. Yes what's what's the first thing you say to him. Well his first comment to me was you know is the media involved. That's the first thing you said. I didn't feel comfortable with that answer. Gosh your wife's kidnapped and that's the first question and someone else was suspicious of read. Quinn's mom taught her possibly read had something to do with it because it just seemed like okay real convenient way for him to not have to deal with his wife anymore. Detective Howard Cole said investigators had to take a close look at read anytime anytime you have a situation of this nature nine times out of ten. It's inner circle it's spouse. It's a business associate of friend hands. Remember when read. I went to the sheriff's Office on the day. Quinn was kidnapped. goanywhere today. Were you would actually go outside and any fashion detectives immediately thought something was suspicious murder. Chooser your apertures. Anything on my shoes not tells me you don't have any leads tells. Don't ruling anything out okay and during that interview. Investigators learned that Queen. Anne Reid had endured some major problems in their relationship. What did we tell you about? His marriage marriage for lack of a better way of putting it was rocky aside. She went out. She was is pretty tough. I plan to be honest. Honest better he did explain. Point of circumstances surrounding pass infidelities both on his part and on her part of it is she read. admitted he'd had an affair and said Queen had multiple affairs that kind of admission all but guaranteed more questions. We've interview him on everything from personal finances to kids or associates business everything and we do a lot of really hard questions at them do. Do you know where she's at right. Now if you have anything to do with our hundred percent and even the read seemed to be upset while his wife was missing investigators were keeping an eye on. was there a time when you were sort of distrustful of men. We're kind of wonder what was going on. I was questioning his motives and and how he was. Even though he was acting appropriately that ended up itself is not enough to eliminate somebody. Did you specifically ask read about the money. He had supposedly borrowed from a launcher. Yes yes and he said many from a loan shark. I didn't believe him on that first. Night of the kidnapping when Queens mom went to her daughters oceanfront brought home investigators Saturday down with read. Some of this true. These truths probably will hurt me and reported the conversation she. She was concerned and I heard this many times. That three threatened Turk with divorced. And she didn't like that idea of course. Quinn's mother openly speculated about whether Marie knew more than he was saying I also have thought it possibly behind us they'd kill Quinn.
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"It was Monday three days since Queen Grays kidnapping and there had been no communication with the kidnappers since the night before the the FBI is Tony. Kravitz switched strategies. We had three tops. Go bad but they were still willing to wait till Tuesday. They still wanted the money. They're going to need a way out and we wanted to give them a way out. What was the way you offer them? Nobody's been hurt if they drop you off somewhere if they had just let you go. Nobody will know the difference. Just let her go just ladder bill. Monday morning turned into afternoon. Quinn's mom seemed to be getting desperate. She said a text on her own to the kidnappers without the FBI approval. I am heartbroken and girls probably no longer have a mother. You have no heart and I pray that what goes around comes comes around. She was angry she was tired. She was worried you angry at at all of us. I think we weren't able to bring her daughter home yet. Throughout the ordeal read gray who was pushed into the background after the kidnappers said they didn't want to deal with him anymore had been alternately upset and angry as well. Detective Howard Cole. Spent some time with Clinton's husband. I think there was times when he actually wanted to go. Get the money out of his own bank account and make the money drop. I think there's ties is when he thought we didn't know what we were doing. What was your sense of read himself? Seemed like a real decent guy genuinely worried about his wife. Yes I mean. He was helpless. He was powerless when he was depending on us to fix it. And I just really was very empathetic. I put myself in his shoes and I thought he dealt with it pretty well. Considering the circumstances read waited at his home everyone waited as minutes became hours hoping for some contact but there was nothing. The winds mom was so stressed. But Tony Kravitz suggested a change of scenery and had her brought to this back. Courtyard of the FBI's Jacksonville headquarters headquarters. It was around six PM. Gale pigs at the phone. Her whole physical being changed and it was the Glenn What's wrong and she was completely hysterical on the phone screaming literally. She was screaming at me I. She was completely incoherent at that point. I couldn't even understand what she was saying. Tony Crab it could only hear one side of the conversation. GAELS blood drains from her face. She starts to shake her knees. Go weak what what. Nobody can understand what she's saying. And then Quinn Quinn. Jiang's up you think. Maybe they were attacking. You're killing her. Then we don't know but this is the first time that she he sounds hysterical so we don't know now if she's hurt It sounds like she's very upset. Well Tony Crab tried to calm. Quinn's mom someone one else had already heard from Quinn on nine one one operator proper it. It was clear she was was free. Shaking and in tears. Quinn said she was just dropped out of a white van and was now standing near a mall. Shopping Center in front of a restaurant. Sheriff's deputies headed to Quinn's location while she stayed on the line with nine one one. I don't know nothing in your car for you. I Deputy Trent DOPP was one of the first finder. She was acting very erratic was flailing around a lot and was yelling on our cellphone. Quim was is brought to the FBI is Jacksonville Office. Where her mom and brother in law matter and it's not quite the joyful reunion you'd expect as far as being joyful awful? No she was hysterical and she saw me for the first time. Of course I was hysterical and we ran into each other embraced each other and cried together. Gather an audio recorder in one of the FBI's interview rooms picked up Quinn's voice from the hallway wind win was then led alone into that interview room and one of the first thing. She told the agents there was that she felt her husband. Didn't really want to savor life. I like my husband won't be on a percent. Why is that makes eleven? Let's just say that maybe my life isn't worth the field that there is a Mary darkened from my own. was there something about read gray. That investigators didn't know and could he have had anything to do with his own life kidnapping coming up the focus for so long on the mysterious kidnappers falls heavily on Quinn's husband and their relationship their marriage for lack the better way of putting it was rocky when dateline continues the. Hey Guys Willie geist here. This week on the Sunday. Sit Down podcast. I I get together with actor Robert Pattinson to talk about the impact. The twilight movies had on his life and his latest film. The Lighthouse get it now for free. Wherever you download your podcasts?.
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"It was Sunday afternoon afternoon almost two full days since Quinn was abducted and after a terrible morning when the money drop at the crab shack restaurant turned so disastrous disastrous. A text message. Apparently from Quinn was sent to mom's cell phone around two PM. Mom Tom Please no cops. I am so sorry about all of this but they are pissed and I want to see my girls the FBI's hostage negotiator whose who's totally grab it. You think about the kids in a situation like this absolutely you cannot read made arrangements for them to stay elsewhere so that they would be somewhat shielded by us. We're in the business of preserving life that's what we do. Do you think quim baby. She's not even alive anymore. We don't know we don't know for sure Investigators were becoming increasingly worried because they hadn't actually heard Quinn's voice since the day before then then at about five twenty five that evening. Another text message came in to Queens Mom's phone I do not get access to my phone. Have read read. Check his email pick of me taken. Did he get all of the money and in reads email there. Was this photo of Quin. What can you tell from that photo? Well it certainly looked to me as though Quinn was very distraught maybe been crying. She didn't look like Quinn at all. No not at all the photo was taken using a cell phone and the background could be anywhere but investigators got lucky. Because there's the little known technology built into that photo and it offered investigators a huge break. They didn't know that. A photograph taken taking an iphone an email to somebody else has gps coordinates on. I didn't know that we are very quickly able to check the photograph and find the GPS accordance in there. And then we know exactly where that photograph taken. Investigators rushed to this location Jacksonville. How long after you looked at that photograph Graf did you have agents headed to the scene where it was taken minutes but there was no one there Later that night the kidnappers call back and Quinn's mother again at the urging of the FBI kept up but tough negotiating stance. I Want Clinton my car just warning you. I'm not going to give you the money until you have one in the car. I'm telling you what what I'm GONNA do. The data aggressive approach seem to work. I think so I really think so. Another ransom drop was planned. I talked to her I I see her and she walks across and vixen. My car. No I'm sorry I in my car I got your money. Let me see my daughter and I'm wondering my car do you understand. Was this at last at the end of this ordeal. It was not because the kidnappers never showed and Queens. Mom returned home. That's when investigators realized they had a new problem. The story of Quin Gray's disappearance somehow broke on the local news story. Investigators have been trying to keep out out of the press this is you weren't expecting that I wasn't we've been pretty fortunate to have this. Go a couple of days that are being on the news quite frankly we don't want them to see yet either but the kidnappers did see it and they were not happy wins. MOM received a text. Why is she on the news? That was go out. Boy Oh boy now now what are we going to do with this one remember. The kidnappers had threatened Queens life if police became involved in fact that was now hard to deny since it was on the news so investigators came up with a cover story. That deputies found Quinn's abandoned Mercedes. Suv Issue V and came to her multimillion dollar home to make sure she was. Okay they had Quinn's mom. Send the text. Quinn Quincy. Police have found your car. They came here and they are now searching for you. Call me as I am now very worried I love you. Mom Did the kidnapper versing to buy that. Yes but that good news would be short-lived as the next call from Quinn would sent everyone into a panic. A mother daughter conversation turns everything upside down the blood drains from her face. She starts to shake her knees. Go weak.
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"The ransom drop at the made sheriff's investigators. FBI agents believed they might be on the verge of breaking the kidnapping case of win gray undercover teams an FBI plane we're following several men in an SUV. who had just picked the ransom money from a restaurant parking lot? Investigators were hoping the men didn't notice the tracking device in the back or that. The bag only contained ten thousand dollars. FBI Agent in charge. James Casey the kidnappers asked for fifty thousand dollars right. You didn't. I'm giving fifty thousand dollars. You gave him ten. We gave him less than fifty thousand dollars and they don't put a GPS tracking device. It right and you did right. Is that standard procedure seizure to sort of ignore kidnappers when they say that kind of thing. Well look we're in charge of how this goes not The idea was to get the bag to them and find out where they are but then came something. No one expected Quinn's mom Gail Sykes Quinton called and said where's the money they're gonNA kill me. What are the money drop? Drop this absolutely. She's as Quin people. Are these. I told you the Go-to the crab shack. And there's a huge parking lot on your right and for the first time everyone heard the voice Of One of the kidnappers certainly ask what. I'm I'm sorry when you hear that guy's voice on the phone that changes everything absolutely. She said early on us. Three Albania grabbed her and it was over loansharking and we got a male because at last a solid lead but everyone including the FBI James. Casey was perplexed over why the kidnappers were still asking for the money. Didn't they handed pulled into a gas station station not far from Joe's Crab Shack after they've done a little bit of driving around so as we're sitting there watching them a Jacksonville beach police cruiser pulls into the gas. I station starts talking to young men. And you're thinking what we had no idea what's going on trying to keep the kidnapping quiet so it's not the tip off a local media the FBI and Sheriff's department had not told the local police about the ransom. Drop so afraid. EPIC call was made to the Jacksonville Beach. Police instructing officers to bring the suspects in Detective Howard Cole of the Sheriff's Office rushed to the scene immediately everybody Rightfully so says these guys are involved. We need to interview these guys and we need to find out what the connection is and one man told the detective. He was German which address in Germany Hamburg Germany. Even though they were from Germany could they have had some connection with the Albanian man. Quinn mentioned in her first call to read back like crossing parking lot. We saw that blue bag. One of the guy was joking and said this money inside a lot of money. What are we going to do with it? But in an unbelievable stroke of bad luck it turned out. All these men were not the kidnappers and it becomes pretty clear pretty quick that these guys were in the wrong place at the wrong time. The men were actually college exchange students. Two of them played on the same. Tennis team looked at a bag and said hey. Wouldn't it be cool if there was some money in that bag. I mean it was really that simple. That coincidental and couldn't make it up. The college students stumbled onto the back. Picked it up and then got scared. When they saw cars ars following them then called nine one one and that was Komo no money in there and we just want to give it to you? I came down in Jacksonville. Beach has some fine and they wound up with more than they expected a lot more and it was a chance encounter. That had everyone on edge all of the money drama Temps Butler Boulevard Chick Fillet and now. Joe's Crab Shack had ended in failure a free attempts at a ransom. Drop the money. Never actually. We changed hands. The kidnappers never actually got the money. Now I turn to the FBI. And I said what's happening with the money. They said well. We don't exactly know where the money is right now. Well I said Great. So you've gotten my kid. My daughter killed the real kidnappers. Were still looking for their your money and of course it wasn't at the drop location. It's tense and MOM's ereck. Mum is getting upset because mom knows she dropped off the money. Everything went south at that ransom job and we still didn't know who we were looking for. We're back to square one back to square one again again. You were kind of at the end of your rope rope absolutely not like a TV show is now. It had been about forty three hours since quin disappeared disappeared as the FBI prepared yet another bag of money the kidnappers call back. It was the same male voice from before and when he was angry about the lack of progress yes talking left and right retain. I'm giving dollars more bad news for everyone. It was Sunday of that Labor Day weekend. Monday was a holiday. The banks would be closed guaranteeing that this drama would last for at least another day back and night. We're all thrown for a loop when we hear this. WE DIDN'T WANNA string this out two more days not wanting to drag this out any longer. Investigators decided to try a risky new strategy and told Quinn's mom to now take an aggressive approach whenever she talked with the kidnappers. That's a big gamble. We tried to take a little more control. We were still being cooperative. We were very clear that we were willing to pay the ransom. I get the money I tell you seriously. I think I think you're lying to me. I think you're lying to me. I think he got it but then something frightening happened. That aggressive approach might have backfired. What did you know my God? I didn't need around. You know your daughter's fine you we just talked to you around you. Let me talk to her again. It was completely unexpected. A situation of hopelessness and I figured that I would never see her again. And that was so sad because she would never be able to mother again and she would never see. Your children again was a gunshot. Investigators couldn't hear it. What did it mean and was still alive coming up just when things looked dark is a huge break on emailed photo with a hidden clues? They didn't know that a photograph taken on an phone as GPS Gordon solid yet and then we know exactly where that photograph taken when Dateline continues..
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"Read Gray husband. Father and successful businessman was it. The sheriff's Office near his expensive home in Pontevedra Florida. A wealthy community about twenty miles south of Jacksonville Awesome Ville his wife. Quinn was kidnapped just a few hours earlier. The ransom fifty thousand dollars worsely eat. This is the one thing you have to understand. Is that in the modern day. Marketplace of crime kidnapping for ransom is practically an antique. Here's what it's it's not difficult to abduct a family member of a rich person but things like improve technical surveillance cooperation between law enforcement agencies even caller. Id Now make it just about impossible to pick up ransom money and escape undetected as a result of kidnapping you see in the movies. Pretty much exists only in Hollywood but for this was frightening nerve wracking reality trouble with any kind of phone calls in the middle of night Strange noises on house aging. Aren't that right me now. Married for almost nine years Reed told investigators his relationship ship with Queen was better than ever and that the couple was even thinking about having another child. She's just an amazing friend. She's active in contain. It rolls that Dan taking the girls to all full grams. She was a wonderful daughter. Yes wins Mom Gail Sykes and that's very difficult cultura mother to say who has four daughters but she was absolutely the sweetest of all the children that might recall his mother-in-law with the devastating news. I was just completely in shock as a mother that it's your worst nightmare imagining. What's happening to your child? What are you sequenced through? Point being being tortured tied up fearing for her life fearing that she would never see her children again. Well Quinn's mom waited for news at our Georgia home read state of the sheriff's office until about two am. He then returned to his house while his kids stayed with France early the next morning Saturday about sixteen hours after Quinn's kidnapping read sent a text to his wife's phone haven't slept all night. Please tell me you're all right but there was no reply about two hours later. Read who was now with. Investigators finally got a call. It was Quinn and read became emotional. I need to call you back. Okay all right call me back view. Investigators wired up the phone so they could record. All the calls. Share of shore was surprised to hear. Quinn's the voice. Historically the kidnappers. Don't let the victims communicate in this case it was Quinn's voice on the phone. Yes the advantage of that for the kidnappers. Is You don't ever hear avoid that's true. The sheriff rolled out his mobile command. Unit to a secluded area near Queen reads home from inside he started directing directing the more than one hundred law enforcement personnel. who were working this case? They waited for the next contact from the kidnappers and then about forty five minutes. It's after that last call reads phone rang again. The cell reception was poor but queen gave read a location for money. They dropped the money. Go down all of our intake allows on down. Hello the conversation abruptly ended and Quinn sounded angry. It was easy to imagine the tremendous stress. She must be under read was growing increasingly worried for his wife's safety. She GonNa tell me so say remained calm again screaming fine hell. There may read state at the sheriff's Office as surveillance teams scrambled to get in place at Butler Boulevard. Investigators also needed more time time to get fifty thousand dollars cash together for the ransom but only thirty minutes later another call came in cloud. It was queen again. mm-hmm instructing read to head to a different location he was now to go to a Chick-fil-a restaurant. Thousand Talking Yeah I I want to see you want exchange you. I am not giving them money without you. Hello now. Investigators rushed to get teams in undercover cars in place of the Chick-fil-a but before we left for the chick fillet he got yet. Another call. There was a problem at the money. Drop point three cars near you need to instruction we're the sheriff's undercover cover teams spotted at the CHICK-FIL-A. Is that what Quinn meant by Fed cars. A few minutes later on read cell phone came an ominous text from Quinn. I know you want me dead re texted back. I don't know if that's Quinn. I have your fifty thousand dollars. Stop with me. Just just give me my wife. There was no reply. Investigators brought read back to his house and parked in the driveway. They set up a mini command center in the House using recorder to tape all incoming calls. And that's when something happened that no one expected we. We sent detectives to that home and we didn't do it surreptitiously because we hadn't thought about it and they walk in the front door. They walked in the front. They pulled in an unmarked vehicle and the minute they pulled in and we received a text from the victim read got another taxed on his cellphone. Wait for instructions. You've up twice already. You involve other people who's Ford is in the driveway. Ford was an unmarked sheriff's vehicle. They're watching the house. They're watching the house fearing they were being watched watched by the kidnappers share of ordered all personnel to go couvert and get out of sight watching ourselves to see if they're watching us the kidnappers napper's they've got you looking over your shoulder. That's exactly right. What does that say to you that these guys are planned by different set of rules? That was probably one of the earliest indications to me that this this case was not going to turn out like a lot of people coming up. Finally investigators get their first lead need only to realize something's gone terribly wrong. My hair was on fire. I but how can something like this happen when dateline continues and.
"ransom" Discussed on Dateline NBC
"They cautiously entered the multi-million dollar residence. The House Sat eerily empty. A photo album open on a couch. A Happy Quinn. On her wedding day. Crime Scene Techs swept inside and out looking for fingerprints tire tracks for any clues to the kidnappers identities on the dining room table. They found a sheet of yellow paper. The ransom note. It looked to be in queen. Grace handwriting dear read. I need you to read this and be calm. Re Do not be a hero. This professional all three men holding right now and they want fifty thousand dollars cash. I will be okay if you get them the money what do you know. Oh but the victim. We knew she was a housewife raising children under the prettier. Parts of our county. Read and Gwen Gray were new to Saint John's county having just moved into into their beachfront home in Ponte Vedra. It's an area known for its world famous golf course and Lux homes. I don't WanNA use the term the perfect kidnapping victim but it it it it fit and her husband made a lot of money and he has made a lot of money. So on worst case scenario is we make one wrong move they kill it on the day. Quinn was kidnapped the thirty-seven-year-old PTA. Hey Mom that made appointments for her daughters to have haircuts and she was far along in the planning for an upcoming party for one of her daughter's birthdays now read gray tried to shield the eight and six year olds from the news that their mom's life was in danger. He picked up his girls from school and took them to a friend's ends house was well. He waited at. The sheriff's Office read was still in his shirt and tie from work and he was an emotional wreck. He shared more details about queens brief. Frantic call to him hours earlier Send it on that call. She said there were three kidnappers and they were Albanian. The fifty thousand dollars ransom was to pay back money borrowed from a loan shark but re-grand insisted he didn't owe money to anyone legal this year. It why ask for only fifty thousand dollars from a man who was making more than a million dollars a year read. Didn't know and and neither did investigators. At this point. There was only one goal. Quinn's safe return. It was very disconcerting to realize that we had a housewife and your mother to small children in whatever she was going through. It wasn't good and there was something else that wasn't good. This investigation was starting with no no witnesses no clues to the kidnappers identities and more important no answers to the question. Where was Queen Greg coming up? When appears on the phone calling your husband with frantic instructions? Would he be able to get the cash and find his wife in time..
"ransom" Discussed on KTRH
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"ransom" Discussed on The Projection Booth Podcast
"For you realize the twist of fight club the comparisons between the sort of love triangle that is depicted in that on the love triangle that is depicted in this sort of that some similarity there was well so we have an inciting act when we get into that core story of that in that is the stagecoach robbery with the meeting of ransom stoddard and there'd be valance and curious what is liberty valances motivation like and then this one obviously he wants money he wants stuff but as liberty valance goes through this film if feels like he's using he's being used or knows he's being used as a political tool in the it's interesting i would changes from just an old west you know bandit story to more of a political story and really you know we we know that the end for stoddard or where he's at when we saw him in the rapper story is he's now much higher in a political level and now we we start at the bottom in more move from here but it feels like liberty valances changing as the story goes along as well than famous plays into the doom meaning the title dul symbolism of the title in the keno if this was any other typical western at the manors john balance and be about a here are sharply balance but instead the manage liberty balance refers to the allusion of a myth and the failure of those fomative myths and how they aren't really communicate reality in they can be losing every end so it makes sense that the film once liberty balance has been shot turns into a political film which is political dialogue through third it's a bit of a misdirect at it's also that in order to tell the story of out donovan to some extent liberty valance has to just be.