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Randy Newman: legendary songwriter, Oscar nominee, more

Bullseye with Jesse Thorn

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Randy Newman: legendary songwriter, Oscar nominee, more

"The Bulls eye with Jesse Thorn is a production of maximum fund dot org and is distributed by NPR. So I'm Jesse Thorn. It's Bullseye. It's a cliche but it's also true. Really Newman doesn't really need an introduction. I mean I can say Randy Newman to you and you'll probably start thinking about this. You you got mm-hmm or this or maybe this or maybe maybe you don't even realize that he wrote this But look a little deeper into his work. It will take that much and you'll find it songwriter. A singer who has produced some of the most complex captivating and hilarious pop music ever recorded. Like you probably already know this already but about every week on this show. I recommend something at the end called the outshot and I. I don't think there is a musician that I have recommended more times in the years that I've been doing that. Then Randy Newman. The songs are catchy. I mean that's part of it. He grew up around the birth of rock and roll in a musical family. His uncle Alfred Newman composed music for some of the greatest dist films of Hollywood's Golden Age. And he's funny but he's not like weird out or Spike Jones. Funny there are laughs but there's also a little darkness last often come from character and he has genuinely expert sense of comic timing. I remember one time going to see him in San Francisco. This was fifteen or so years ago and he played. You've got a friend in me the toy story song. It's a great song on and he gets the end of it and he pauses for a second. He looks kind of quizzically at his piano. And he says of course. It's all bull isn't it. I'm trying to think if the lyric is book. Oh -sarily no it's not and so Randy Newman's best work. Mary's those three things together a love of modern pop and soul music which he got from listening to the radio an intimate knowledge of classical music and the great American songbook which he got from his uncles and comedy which he says he got from his dad. who was a doctor? You're a funny doctor. He's just been nominated for two Academy Awards one for the score. He composed for Noah Baumbach marriage story and another for the original song he composed for Toy Story. Four it's called. I can't let you throw yourself away. When I talked with Randy it was twenty eighteen? He'd recorded a brilliant Leeann album called dark matter. Here's a song from it called on the beach Own We were. Branding Newman. Welcome to bowls. Thank you so much for are coming on the show. It's very good to be here thanks. I'm thrilled to have you on the show. You've been doing this a long time Do you think that you do it differently now than you did when you were twenty five. Yeah there's different aspects of it. I think songwriting slightly different for me. Is that I I don't know is that I get as many ideas that I can see to the ending of it right when I get the idea like the headache. The big yeah. Ah The main. Yeah the big rush doesn't take me all the way through. It'll drop me off at the bridge or something and I think writing for orchestra. I'm sort of better than I watch because I know more And the notes are still there performing not much different you know. I don't know where there are many better worse. What I'd say you're dancing has suffered a little? Yeah The dancing is not what it was but you still. I mean it's like it's like Watching Chris offer something you know even in middle L. A.. It's nice because I would say that At least three hundred and eighty nine people are going to think that I really do dance a bit. Did you think that you were going to be a professional musician. When you were growing up I think so after a certain age eleven twelve? I thought I'd they write music for motion. Pictures like a my uncles. Did you see it in the family. It looks like a possible job. It looked very difficult. It was sort of intimidating but it looked like there it was I could. Let's see how to get there in a way. What what did you see of when you were a kid? Your your father was not a composer for film but you had no. He's Dr One. Uncle who was was an agent for composers and two uncles. were composers rewrite three so no shortage. Well what did you see if what they did. I know that my uncle Wayne worked in the Defense Department. Somehow I I don't know anything because he's like some kind of engineer. That's that's that's my understanding of. It will probably like secret sort of what he did. Maybe he's probably making medical devices. I saw I went and saw a few movies vs on stage when recording Alfred. I remember seeing the king and I and Movie The gunfighter that he did on the sound stage we got on the sound stage and were they were recording trying to think of other stuff because I saw a yellow sky was western I saw a bit of it when I was five six years old and I see him at his house working and he was always I mean I was he once asked me. Do you like this melody and I was like ten years old. I said no then he asked me. Maybe I was a little older. But Lisa. Do you think people like counter melodies. I said Yeah they you can take that. You'll my brother was seven so you got the same question. I mean it certainly Gives you an eye toward the you know. The kind of preternatural certitude of the artistic disposition. Yeah you're checking in with whoever's evers there but I know I've done the same it may have been overly impressed with how hard it was. Because you know I tend to agonize about Out Things and I think I'll be found out at any time I can't do this work and What am I doing here but in fact I find the more I read the more people? I've talked to a lot of people feel that way as if they're no good at what they do when they've proven over and over at least in their cases that that they are very good. You're also I mean you're part of this your favorite interview yet. Yes so you've done. One fifth of it is the best one fifth opening one fifth literally. Randy you should know like when I've been doing this now for I'm thirty seven so seventeen or eighteen years twenty four years. Yeah And I and I tell people you know that thing when people say like oh who. Haven't you interviewed that you. Gary I'M GONNA say Randy Newman disappointment so far. But it's still like I mean if you're expecting five stars you're still getting four not bad so it's still a solid Muslim. He's older party personable. But not real sharp. You're but you're part of the You're part of the rock and roll generation like you were you. Were old enough to be paying attention and young enough to be excited us to be loaded in Long Beach at three in the morning when I got there. What's the first rock music that you remember hearing? I remember hearing during a boom. I think we had a housekeeper who brought A little scraps of of humanity into the house. You know what was going on so she would she sung in a choir and she danced knew how out of dancing all and she brought in the first ones. I've worshipped boom in Now Gee maybe G.. Oh I love that girl La Vicar. I think that's the first I heard. Fifty four maybe. What did you do you remember thinking about? I liked it were. Your parents aren't serious no my father joked around quite a bit all the time really but they were serious about about some things I don't know how social they were. I mean he he could have been but I don't know He saw a lot a lot of people as patients that he didn't want to see anybody when he was on. Your mom was ill for part of childhood right. Yeah she was very nice up. I mean I don't talk about it much but I think every time I did ask her for advice of some kind. Gee Mom I'm getting girl. And she stuff the stuff of life to some extent and she was very very good on it. She got squashed by my father. He was big personality and She she Getting getting much room. I don't think did was there for you. Know Not much my brother and and I in a way. My brother would would say no categorically But he was sort of for us. You know I believe. He was rooting for us to awesome extenders little competitive with me about things sports and And music too because he wrote songs I was just thinking of You know I don't know if you're a sports fan or baseball fan. Okay well you probably remember the first Baseman Rafael Palmeiro. I heard about this. Yeah Yeah So. He's in his. He's in his early fifties and he's playing He's playing in an independently but a pretty good would independent professional baseball league with his son on the same team. And he's hitting better than his son. Yup and now he is a he. Was You know at some point in his career. I can't speak to what he's up to these days but there was a point in his career where he tested positive for steroids. I maybe There's some question about that but okay hardly matters. Yeah I mean it's still a remarkable achievement but I it makes me think of how tough must be friends son terrible terrible. I wonder what it would look. You got caught for steroids again in independent league. But I mean I I. I wonder what it was like for you in a family of musicians to have a father who you know. Your father was remarkable remarkably successful successful doctor much so for a while But not a successful songwriter. And your uncle wasn't extraordinarily successful Film Composer Yeah. You had to other uncles. who were successful for them composers? There's all this variance in level of success in the family business. It's like when family businesses show business. It must be awkward to have that situation because if you know everybody was a pharmacist. Yeah there's there's not a lot of gradations of pharmacists. There's gave somebody medicine that killed them and there's good pharmacist. You know the ideal the think about it was. My father worshiped his brother Alfred. I mean they all did I mean I think he was responsible for the family. Getting up out of poverty He supported a number of them for a number years And he was really the only father they ever had so he was very much respected It was not a one on one relationship with him. I think he was step up. They felt anyway with me I mean I was like my Father Song's lyrics you know. There's a whole trove of which I remember. Try to remember them because wants wants. That light goes out in me. The songs gone They're not written down most of them or anything. But I remember like Evergreen model will oh you will ever be evergreen. Though winter snows may come in change the scene commode may love will stay green. But that's hard to sing anyway. That's that's good. I mean if you were born in in eighteen seventy two and it could have been you know but his old fashioned writer but he was a at some facility with words and no one else in. The family showed any indication of that. When you figured out that you might actually become a professional musician? Did you think that you are going to Be a composer thirty. Did you think that you're going to go in write songs in the Brill building or whatever composer because that didn't exist really you know all it existed. There were songwriters and I'd see songwriters around. Fox Jimmy mccue or not Gorden but I guess composing for films what I I saw And it's what I intended to do. I think I never intended to write Serious music one of a better term but that was that was intended till a friend of mine said. Why don't you try and write some songs you like rock and roll and we listened to it and all soy Loyd? Were you surprised when your songwriting wasn't when you weren't writing hit songs longs sort of I mean I remember thinking well this is right down the middle of the middle of the road I was doing my best but I was trying signed Red Sox as people would like you know I didn't do otherwise and then I'd be. They'd get a record of some kind and then I really be left out with the record and then I I didn't. I think that could be a hit. The record would be when I heard. That's an excuse that you shouldn't be able to use you. Know you should make a demo that tells people stuff but I just never did in a lot of ways. It's like I was in two hundred yard dash and I was running a forty. I write the songs and make a piano demo. This is for the most part of my life and that was it. Then I I go to school or whatever I was doing doing And Carole King. I was making a demo and putting strings on the demo conducting strings and and letting people know how she wanted to go. I'm not sure I could have had some success had I. I've been more directive but I don't know it is amazing to me that I've been around this business and in it for almost sixty years Jesus and I haven't had more hits. Just follow me by accident. You think look at that. What in this movie and the likes it? Not I mean it's amazing just by happenstance. Can you think of what the song that you wrote was. That was your kind of song written for you rather than the kind of saw that you thought people might like. Jeez I don't know a let me think you know when I wrote Mama told me not to come for instance I did write it for me necessarily but I mean I did the best I could with it and I didn't think it was hit or anything. So maybe I wrote that for myself but not as an artist I mean. I think it's on like David Fat. By boy I must have written for myself. I knew knew what was going to do it. cowboy even does this song. I I really love called Simon Smith and the amazing dancing bear. Yeah that's one of those earlier one is. That's the first song I wrote. That was like my style Smith was well it had humor in it it sort of a a narrator. That wasn't totally trustworthy made or totally likeable And departed from the normal vocabulary. Things that was used in soft slightly not much. I never deviated that not much from it because I like it here. Oats here a little bit of that song. Okay I'm the the nicest place fit faces. Stop in Grand Instance Salmon Smith in his bill. I wrote. I wrote a thing about this song. Four at the show a few years ago and the the thing that I think about a lot when I'm listening to this song is that as I hear it and I. I wonder if this is as you intended handed it but as I hear it. It's kind of about this. This central tragedy of being performer. which is to say that that the narrator is a circus act essentially? Yeah you know the Sweet wait but grotesque Thing yeah and gets a pass into this world of the High High Society or whatever it is right like gets into the world that he thinks he's going to get into via show business and is not aware uh of the special way that he is being related to in this world that he is being seen as a as an act. Not as a human being. I've always felt that. He was slightly contemptuous of the people to whom he aspired to be with. He says who needs money any when you're funding. who money issue if when or if you went funny yeah So I always thought there was that that but basically you're right yeah I mean it's possible that I'm actually rather than psychoanalyzing this character. I'm analyzing the author of the song. Run Randy knew. That's very possible in the I would. I would never think that just because I had a bear and got into next and your berries. Amazing for folks. Who can't see? It always been quiet so today I don't know he's got the beer like It was a song. I was writing for Frank Sinatra. Junior I had an assignment assignment right. It's an easy sell to Sinatra. Junior right should've been no. This one would have been but it it was it was stood as Susie that a deal. They wanted to do team things with them but the instruction so But I couldn't stand it anymore. Not Him in the slightest but I mean the the lyrics I was writing. I had to say something so there and bear and that was that was A. Aw I'm picturing you like in a hotel suite. At the Four Seasons Sinatra junior is there maybe the old man sitting standing behind with his arms crossed. And there's a grand piano and you're like well listen to this. They're bare no. I don't think ever played it for any woman said. Hey I got that Frank Sinatra junior dancing bear. I did have a exactly as you described with his folded folded arms of meeting with Sinatra. Really play him some stuff. Yeah where did you plan I. I played first of all. How did you get that meeting? Reprieves record we're on the same label and Milwaukee who's had reprieve new in very well you know So that was it and he knew my family and stuff but he said that I know the family very nice But he played lonely at the top and had me at and That was nine test crazy gave up and he was backed folded. Armstead like like this. He's played it and said what else you got. Kid played the thing. It's going to rain just sort of liked Roque In the M O. Aw Sky's gray cash flow. ooh Is it's funny. I heard you disparage. I think it's GonNa rain today a few times You're mistaken about that but it's funny because like lonely at the top which is also a wonderful song. Long is a song that is more. Randy Newman Eh. In that. It is like I mean I guess you must have had the idea that Frank Sinatra wanted to send himself up a little. Yeah I did I say this really be hit for him to make fun of that leaning against a lamppost stuff but he is is leaning against the stuff. You Make Fun of it But you know it's a it's a it's a very emotional song but it is it is couched couched in a little bit of rhetorical irony whereas I think it's going to rain. Today is a sad song about being sad yes And now I wonder if you if you have explained to yourself that it is less artful fall or less randy new mini to just say thing in the way that almost all popular songs do no. I would love to do it. I may have psychological emissions or something that tilted me in another direction. Of Not saying I love you. You love me no you don't i. It interested me less as what I say. Now maybe it's that I couldn't think of things to say I have a lo- love meter or something but a thick skin rain bothered me slightly. I've stopped doing that. Disparaging it's ridiculous. It's very good song. I mean I think but it bothered me because it felt like a slightly sophomore ish kind of winding to it. Popular Song is for sophomores. But you don't have to You should emulate their best stuff or Gear your stuff to the best of the BABYISH. Winding isn't what I've done tons of babyish whining even now when I'm partly your sophomore but that's what bothered me about it but it's probably my best Loved lower liked song. Aw I think I wanNA play Barbara streisand singing and I think that this is you playing the piano reservoir and this. This was recorded Forty five years ago or something something but Came out just a few was a skit crews tryst With frozen smile to Chase author to restrain. Since could it singing. She sure is and when we did that. I didn't say it was very good really not that not playing the piano there. It's like I'm being so sensitive that I'm not sounding half the notes playing you know little too sensitive But but I heard it when she did it again. It is really good. I thought it was not a good version of it at preconceptions about her that she really couldn't sing to a back beaten. While think it's GonNa rain is not a rock and roll song Some sort of has a beat to it but it's a really good version of it. One of the best. I have another version of it but I I WANNA play I. I may be my favorite singer of singers Nina Simone Law And you know Nina Simone was an artist who in it in a funny way was right in your wheelhouse in that she straddled Classical Music Folk Music Jazz and Orrin B. Be All pretty slick she was she had one lemon each of those corners. Yeah and It's funny to hear like doc the kind of direct emotionality to you're not confident about in your own songs That Barbra streisand is so extraordinary extrordinary at presenting in her way and to hear the way that Nina sings broken broken windows empty hallways Pale. Dead Moon in the sky streaked with gray humankind flow in each today metro playing piano as well. That's really good harmonica gradient Bennett negate. Gaylord that's great. She feels her way right through the verse. The melodic rhythm of it. Very good Both entirely believable. I agree my interview with Randy. Any Newman concludes after a short break. When we come back? What's the deal with the Song I love? La is sincere song. Is it an ironic song. Sometimes it is hard to tell with. Randy Newman stay tuned. For the answer it's bulls eye for maximum fund dot org and NPR support support for this podcast and the following message come from colour. 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We recently met each other because women weren't allowed to work together On the road or gigs. For a long time and so our friendship has been unfolding on this podcast for a couple of years. Jackie Constantly Works Rhode I write for Conan and then I worked the road in between we do a lot of stand up comedy and so we celebrate stand up and we he also bitch about it we keep it to an hour. We don't have any guests. We somehow find enough to talk about every single week. So find us. You can subscribe to the Jackie. Laurie show At Maximum Fund Dot Org. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Gay by a welcome back a bullseye. I'm Jesse Thorn. We're replaying my twenty eighteen conversation with Randy Newman. Maybe my favorite singer songwriter and composer. He's up for two Academy Awards this year. Best Score and best original song. Let's get back to our interview when you started recording your own songs you basically were performing kind of to do a mix of two outmoded styles of music. Even you know even in the late sixties early seventies when you started when you started recording like you were playing a half fats domino songs. Half like full-on Music Hall Song Stephen Foster so Linda Ronstadt your skull plantation music and What did you think about the way that you like or did you think about the way that you you fit into popular music when you were working trying to be a recording artist or did you always just think like well I can always make music for TV and film though? I was worried about making living a lot of times but I just did what I think the song required and I do like Thatt's domino rock and roll stuff. I didn't exactly realize that it was Not Offer on you know I mean even now how have a song. I think this might people might really like this nothing. They're not going to release slot route. I mean we should have seen resistible to me you did I like it. Did you listen to that music growing up. Yes that's not. I listened to some into Rachel's I've listened to less music than anyone I've ever met that that had access access to Western technology. It feels like your Your tastes they at least as songwriter. Performer her maybe a little bit less as composer but as a songwriter and performance. It seems like your tastes. Were pretty much set by some Ray Charles House in fats domino songs. Some all American songs Stephen Foster whatever it is you know the great American songbook type stuff and slightly slightly before a great American songbook type stuff and like maybe some especially on the more recent albums. There's there's kind of a little bit of celebration of jubilee saying like kind of like a Gospel Music. Oh I love that. I Love Gospel music as a as a genre like better anything else classical music too I think also someone who Kurt vile maybe a little someone who deals with the orchestra and songs at the same time have liked doing that. I took a class in college from Tom. Lehrer the so so yeah. Yeah it was really fun and cool as you would expect you actually did not know. He was not listed on the class schedule. I took it because it you could get American studies credits for math class. Then it wasn't his math class. It was he was co teaching it and it was a it was a American musical theater class and you know Tom. Lehrer very brilliant Songwriter very funny guy extremely grumpy at least at the time. He's probably mellowed out now. Very very but not in a bad way in a very charming way and at one point I remember him saying in class he was talking about songwriters after the like Jerome Kern or something like that something kanter nab you forty four something after yeah nineteen. Let's go is called nine hundred fifty five. Yeah Yeah I mean he said There's only two that I like the Stephen Sondheim and Randy Newman. Wow really he said yeah he sure did oh she's I am. I think I do get some idea. Me You know had something. That's really something that makes me feel like Is that what I did was comprehensible. You know that did you're right sometimes when do a song and it's a comedic song and people don't laugh you think I didn't do it right but but sometimes it's because didn't get it you know and I want to be clear that he was he was never the kind of guy who and I presume still isn't the kind on a guy who liked complains about kids today or whatever it. He was really speaking very deeply to his own personal into kind of cultural for that. I think he gets it. But you know as a guy who was maybe the greatest comic lyricist of the Twentieth Century Guy. Who could write a funny song? It's so dense and wonderful. Yeah like I think part of what he responded to is that there really aren't a lot of songwriters who even try to do that. No there's no money in it people don't want it. It's it's not a comedic medium employed that way. Sometimes you know. They'll write him a little bit of John. Sebastian I remember Paul Scientism Chrissie Hinde Way Davies. But mostly it's not Done so why did you do it. I'd say my father got through life by joking around. Whatever all the depth Sue Psychological inquiry. You could shine on that wrong. We're noticing that more lately where I'll reach for word and it's not there to randy. I'm thirty seven valley. You're still all there but Oh the fact that he got through life joking around as did I. This is the choice I don't I don't know whether it was the dodge anything because you get enough of the real all right no matter what you do I wanNA play Wanna one of One of my favorite of your funny songs Maybe the one that makes me laugh. The most I probably once a month or so I try try to run it back about it a little bit while I'm driving my car's something It's from your album trouble in paradise in nineteen ninety-three it's called. My life is good Toyota so this is a song. Where your your your character's voice it's like us all set version of Randy Newman? Yeah he's a fairly wealthy guy and his kids are going to a parent teacher meeting. And there's there's a point there's no point in there where you have a chat with Bruce springsteen and he asks if you want to be the boss for this this morning that's right. It happens to be staying system. Roofs talked about this new. Tell you what he said. I would be the balls full wrong. Aw would talk has a particularly strong line with the You so high you know. He's just talking about woodblock it. Has This It has this really pretty core whereas it's just a gentle kind of quiet. It's a real dynamic change to the rest of it. You're singing. My life is good but the irony of it is you realize realized that this is an insistence that your life is good in the face of emotional terror he at the end of the sort of Lausanne in my life is good you will back schoolteacher. Yeah but I mean I think it speaks to like h funny. You were talking about your father and his sibling. This kind of coming out of poverty like struggling to come out out of poverty and you know like you grew up in the Westside of Los Angeles among you know fancy show business these people I imagine and you've lived to some extent a life in show business like your you know whatever you gotta go write a song they have. Yeah while Tom Hanks tells you whether it's good or not or whatever you know there there are plenty of folks who are in that situation who respond to it by being live And it seems like it is giving you a really intense sensitivity to that blindness like a come on like we're come on like how can the this is. What a what a privilege it is to have this? Yeah it's I wasn't exactly a trust fund kid wasn't all that I mean at a certain point I had earned reliving. It wasn't that my dad wasn't rich by any means and there was no glamour. Particularly you do music you don't you don't get to see Scarlett Johansson or anything. You get to see someone who picks up stuff that she forgot when she was making the movie But Yeah Yeah I was in Ucla. where I went for eight years and it was writing an an essay in English class and it was about? Just write about your neighborhood. You know where you are and I'd already gone songs and everything by this time. Didn't feel like turning one of those in Time wrote about a neighborhood. The neighborhood my parents lived in because I still live other. Let's right and I wrote it in Senate in about you know. And he said what he wrote on the thing was you know. Are you ashamed. Shamed of being sort of well off. I mean are these people really so awful you know and I knew that I know that all poor people people aren't noble in all rich people aren't schmucks. It is harder for a rich man to crawl through the needle. You know but I never thought I was that that I believe that this is good in. This is bad. It's too complicated. So the Guy He gave me a good good grade but He did remind me of that. It's bull's eye Jesse Thorn. I'm talking with Randy Newman. He's up for two awards at this year's Oscars best original original song and best score. I have a question for you as a transplanted Angelina your native Angelino. Yes pretty much. So you're are famous hit song. I love. La To what extent is the message of the song. Literal and to what extent is the message of the Song Ironic from your perspective as the guy who wrote and recorded the song. It's a difficult one. I say it's pretty close to fifty fifty but the most power is with the Positive I love. La You know. All the little jokes about the bomb and and the Big redhead and the imperial highway. which if you know if you live here you know? The imperial highway is not the shots and I picked the streets like that except for six So I would say that it's very good questions about half and half. I mean I I have to say like as approach. When I didn't live in Los Angeles I would hear the song and thank God? Yeah Randy Newman's really giving Los Angeles Business in Los Angeles has earned it you. You know what I mean like. He's really taken. These really taking those big blonde haired. So and so and so's down a pack rat. That's fine I don't mind riding along with the red at all. Oh but yeah. I feel like as I've as I've lived in I've lived in Los Angeles for a decade. Now I feel that it is rather than a takedown. It is sort of an acknowledgment of some of the inherent grotesquery of Los Angeles celebration of of Lack of depth of of Of the simple pleasures simple stupid even. Yeah definitely gently. It's like you can't write a chamber of Commerce Song about an American city. I what are you GonNa do. I mean I like I left my heart in San Francisco. I it's a love song and you could write that one now. You're a hell of a time. You might be able to write that one to maybe have to be for show though I mean what Jay Z and Alicia keys did a pretty good New York. That's pretty good. You Bet okay. I'm glad to hear that. Do you do you get pumped when they played at the end of the dodgers game or whatever it's slice it's not bad in a lot of They'll have a lot of Latin fans. And they they. They know who I am more than the Anglo fans at at the game for some reason. Do you enjoy the way that writing for higher asks you to you kind of being emotional craftsperson get out of yourself very much. I would never have written. You got a friend when somebody thinks from twister to a ton of these song called love to see smile which I just never would have thought of if. I'm glad that I get pulled out of the muck and mire to do something like that stuff Assignment aamot writing. I'm not necessarily confident that I can sit down and write a song or I can sit down and do you know if a movie music but but I am sure that if you give me an assignment and give me some words that you want to convey addresses also I can write that so you just take a you. Just take a list of three or four adjectives friendly you want friendly comforting dangerous. Yeah I Get it back then. If they change their mind do I can do something else. What are you most proud of in your career that I write well to sign as WANNA from actually? I'm I'm proud of instances in both fields. Were I pushed myself of it and taking some chance. I know I'm I'm always taking chances with what I do. Good it's a bit of a push like the great debate on the first Whatever I called I forgot what I call I think that's it on the last record. It's called the great debate. Yeah and at the time David the fat boy and some of the music from monsters where you had forty five minutes you couldn't do a constants. You couldn't write a straight Vanilla Vanilla Cora those courts I love and Stephen Foster loved it so I had to go and do distance. I had to enter briefly the twentieth century and I it was hard for me You know reaching for notes to do it but I did it and I was proud of that when I heard it it years later. Is Your work standing between you and retirement or are is retirement. Stay the prospect of retirement arment standing between you and work though everyone I ask a standing between it. I'll say you know I'd like to quit and you. You Know Me Los Angeles. You said that when you were twenty but and I did no one who knows. Let's be believes that it would be good for me. I don't think I'd get in trouble anymore but that I be unhappy writing watching reruns of the the Tour de France all the time or something you know. Is that the plan. reruns George Francis that and track meets just like this womb. You'll look could there. It is again and you see it again and again I I like those travel log. A feel of of the Tour de France beautiful replaces. They're ray settled care so much about but I liked going through France and Ooh there's a mountain. I like like those aerodynamic helmets. That's great yeah. Football players should wear them. Why not those guys have bigger crack-ups football players do this? Should we're almost like that too macho to do it. Rainy Newman thank you for taking all this time to be on. Bullseye was a right. When we're getting to the good material Correo the helmet I got? I got eighteen helmet questions time. I'm fine thank you so much sincerely. Great Pleasure Randy Newman. A true legend. His most recent album is dark matter. You can listen to it. He's also up for two awards. Boards at this year's Oscars best original score for his work on Noah bombecks marriage story and best song for. I can't let you throw yourself away from toy story for. Aw let's hear on lived. 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Randy Newman - Marriage Story & Toy Story 4

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Randy Newman - Marriage Story & Toy Story 4

"Hi everyone and thank you for tuning into the three hundredth episode of awards Cheddar the Hollywood reporter's awards podcast. I'm the host Scott Feinberg and my guest today is one of the most accomplished and influential music world figures of the last half century a singer songwriter and film composer from a legendary family of Hollywood music men who has won two Oscars out of twenty nominations the nation's three emmys out of three numbs and four grammys out of sixteen numbs leaving him just a tony away from becoming any got the Great Randy Newman back in nineteen seventy one the Los Angeles Times called Newman quote one of the most important singer Songwriters of this generation close quote and in nineteen eighteen seventy two the New York Times said that he was quote carving out an area of expression for the Popular Song that hasn't been rivaled for lyric sophistication and music complexity eighty since the salad days of Cole Porter close quote adding quote he bridges pop rock and Hollywood film scores with a grasp of Americana that embraces Stephen Foster Aaron Copeland and little Richard with equal affection close quote in one thousand nine hundred thirty the New York Times called him quote one of Popular Music's most individual visual talents close quote and quote an extreme example of the singer songwriter close quote who quote represents something precious a serious artist working in a popular genre close quote and by one thousand nine hundred ninety eight the New York Times declared quote subversive young artists hoping to break new ground had better just just give up because Randy Newman has inevitably been there. I close quote that same year variety asserted that he quote belongs with Dylan springsteen and Simon and on the Mount Rushmore of the greatest American rock era singer songwriters close quote and a year later. The Guardian cut right to the chase quote. He is the best songwriter in the world close quote but you don't have to trust journalists and critics just ask Bob Dylan himself who said quote there aren't many songwriters in Randy's sleek. He knows music a song Louisiana or cross Charleston Bay also known as sail away. It just doesn't get any better than that. Close Quote Newman was inducted into the songwriters hall of fame in two thousand two and the rock and Roll Hall of fame in two thousand thirteen but what is perhaps most remarkable about him is that he is just about artist prolific and celebrated as a film composer as he is a singer songwriter indeed his film scores include nineteen eighty one's ragtime nineteen eighty-four is the natural nineteen nineteen ninety s awakenings and Avalon nine thousand nine hundred eighty Pleasantville to thousands meet the parents two thousand three seabiscuit and most famously nine nine different pixar films nineteen ninety-five toy story nine thousand nine hundred and bugs life one thousand nine hundred ninety toy story two two thousand one's monsters INC for which he in his first Oscar on his sixteenth nomination for the song. If I didn't have you two thousand six's cars two thousand ten toy story three for which he won his second Oscar her for the song we belong together two thousand thirteen monsters university two thousand seventeen cars three and two thousand nineteen toy story four over over the course of our conversation at Newman's home studio sitting beside the piano on which he creates many of songs the seventy five year old and I discussed his emergence at the dawn of the singer Songwriter Era A. and why unlike most of his contemporaries he has always preferred writing and seeing songs as characters more than himself how it felt for his original songs longs to win the acclaim of critics and respect of colleagues but rarely a mass audience why it wasn't until the nineteen eighties that he finally ventured into film composing and and what led him in the mid nineties to Pixar and what he makes of his crazy two thousand nineteen in addition to scoring toy story four he also wrote. What a great song for the film. I can't let you throw yourself away. He's featured on five year plan a track on chance the rapper's debut studio album the Big Day which opened that number two on billboard's. US Chart his songs same girl was heard on an episode of HBO's Buzzy New Show Euphoria and he composed his first dramatic score in almost two decades for Noah bombecks marriage story which has emerged as one of the year's top Oscar contenders across the board and so without further Ado but with some wonderful audio snippets made available to us by Mr Newman for this milestone episode of our podcast. Let's go to that conversation. Mr Newman thank you so much for joining us great to have you on the podcast. We always begin with just a few basics. Where were are you born and raised in. What is your folks do for a living. I was born in Los Angeles and my father was a doctor and my mom took care of my brother and and I don't think there's a family more associated with movie music than yours and I wonder if we happen to have a listener who is not up on their history. Can you just share who the Newman family is. Comprised of. It's comprised of Alfred Newman Lionel Newman Able Newman when who were all film composers administrators. Lionel was head of music at Fox for forty five years yeah Alfred this one nine Kademi awards and deserve them. He was really good and he came out here. In nineteen thirty and their father was gone Sam those seven voice and three girls in the Newman family and Al came out here nineteen thirty when he was like twenty nine nine or thirty years old. There's some debate about that winning this war but then the whole family followed them and and when you were growing up where you did you see them at work as a kid yeah I did. I go on the sound stage. I remember I think I remember all about eve. A little bit of wow and a movie called the gunfighter. When I was really young I remember seeing it at the studio because it's kind of a distant western school yeah and I know I remember or like the king and I tercel. I don't know where he recorded little sure from watching them particularly. I think Alfred sounds like Eliya watching them at work. Did it make the idea of following in their footsteps appealing or did it look like something that you might not want to do well. It looked intimidating and whenever I saw him in later years you know after piano working which is what he did all day every day. He didn't seem happy back there. You know deadlines and even good as he was. Maybe because he was good. We worried about little things I mean. He played me things soon. You'll what do you think of this people counter melody and I said Yeah I mean I think so. I think it was when he was doing airport. Looms less awesome okay so now your own music education I read you know it starts out fairly conventionally. You're doing piano lessons like a lot of kids at seven or eight or whatever but I wonder what happened when you went to get actual training at Ucla where you go there but you don't finish their what was the reason reason for that lack of parking in a way I came close. They're talking about getting degree to do something but yeah I was just organized. You know people have counselors there and they say you take this. You take this then when you go to the I. I must have missed that week. 'cause I didn't have a counselor or anything and it was a bit of a mess you know the bad dream that a lot of the people have that they have a test in a class that didn't even though they had I had that how immorality and fell to us who is lenny and had he impact the direction your life. Tuck as you left school at Seventeen. Our parents were already leaps school so I was thirty eight time. I got Latin but let the parents were friends. He was his dad was a violinist in the Fox Orchestra and he was friends. Vow I guess and my father and that's how I met a lending you know we played war war and things like that and he was always remember he'd make up movies. One was called the title because I used to tease him about later. Later platform in the sky is called and he'd make them up and I listen to half years younger than He. I think there are two years. Here's to it's funny. He was the certainly the creative one between the two of us also he was braver. You know wouldn't I go to play songs for people he would have set it up and he would go like mckean judy and play the songs. It'd be very hesitant about audits of the way for a long time but he was essentially if I understand correctly like one of your big champions who said you should do more with this. Let's go to New York. Let's pitch as a songwriter will you was. I mean we went to new. York wasn't surly a pitch but I mean maybe wanted to meet or we wanted to meet. Maybe the Jerry Lieber which we did and did play him some songs I think for and against them on depending leafing well so you do now at that point go to work as a songwriter for higher centrally. At what point did you realize realize maybe I should start singing my own songs too. I started sort of a contract song. We're going to have sixteen seventeen so I'm still going to school and and I never necessarily that I can recall lenny would remember better than I thought. Oh I should be singing recording. I I don't know whether I ever did a couple record. Companies thought that it might be possible and warners and I signed with the wars and this was the dawn of the whole singer-songwriter. I want to read back to you. Something something that you said that I thought was interesting quote. When I started out I was certainly an of Carole King. If I ever had a hero of any it kind it was her close quote. You've also said that your nine hundred and sixty five Song Simon Smith and the amazing dancing bear was quote the first song I wrote where I wasn't trying to be carole king. It was the first song I wrote that sounds like me close quote why was Carole King such an influence and then what it means to sound like what she did yeah electricity fons record and all that kind of thing I liked seem like in those days we were interested in changes changes and she she knew the literature she knew the Song Literature Preceding Nineteen fifty four preceding rock and roll and she had enormous melodic talent Alan. I thought so that was what I mean hero. You know I don't know but that was scratching for an answer right but certainly someone I admired and aspired to be like I thought but I wasn't like her well. I guess the thing that you ended up doing doing differently starting with Simon Smith. It was slamming Smith. I say that because I remember it but I think there's other songs a little odd but before remember what they are but when you say this thing that you were doing that was unusual maybe not unique but unusual was essentially writing from the perspectives of people other than yourself exactly right as you were coming up where other people doing that. Where did the idea even for that come from the other no shyness Shi'as. Maybe yeah I mean. I don't know where it came from. I tell you when I I I know I read things were they. Had that really interested stood me. The Alexandria Quartet for instance where there's four different books different characters perspectives on things and things are not as they seem to. I can't do that in a song necessarily but it interested me you know sometimes aberrant personalities and the guy with the barest harmless but it's exploiting someone somewhere or some bare but I found that interested me and what I write something that pure me. It's difficult will fit. Saul snob to some answers. They wouldn't think big ways amazing calphalon. Is there any reason why you're drawn seems to not only writing from the perspective of others but the perspective generally early of others who are not always the most upstanding enough people well. It's more interesting to me than Heroes Yeah Yeah. I kind of don't believe in it heroes. I've always thought that it's a little I like it better. You know when you're playing tune audience audience theoretical entirely but I mean you don't want to be up there pontificating. Even though you're raised up I like to be on the flats. You know on on level with the idol really like did you can't see but but yeah see. I've always thought mistakenly the anyone could get my song. I mean what's hard about him. There it is my life is good guys. Clearly not someone you'd along. You're bowling team. You know what I wonder is when you started doing this kind of music in your twenties. I guess it would be where these personas zone is a reflection of your own mindset at that time because I've read. You've talked about another interviews. You had something like a dozen car accidents by the time you you were first breaking through. You've said you were a heavy drinker. Were you. Were you upset. About what was your life. I got got songs out of it when I was trying to. I guess with purdue juvenile offenders look at night and I heard my father come in to get me. He said whereas my angry mad that I didn't know what it was. I was unlucky. Lucky you get caught with that. Everyone else did and I don't know what I was angry about today the truth right but yes I was angry. I knew a lot of other people who were chair. I wasn't a heavy drinker. I would say I couldn't have done that but you know we drink drink on the weekends standing outside our cars. You know that was a We'll talk about how the first studio album self-titled came about and also how I guess it came to include a song that maybe is this covered almost any of yours. I think it's going to rain today a which had already been around for a while. You'd already done it yeah. It's been around since that was the first album I had songs on going back to. Nineteen sixty nine came in seven and I had songs from three or four years before and the final song on that one is one that I know people. I think you've said you you believe it to one of your favorites and I mean salon has called this. a lot of people have called it a masterpiece this. David Fat boy which is pretty dark. I mean just to set it up for a listener. Basically Sung from the perspective of Con Artists Ray a feels like carnival to me and tried to do that with your -Chestra. Make it sound that way. A song was different. I took it apart and put it back together and I thought recently what my career or path would have been like had. I continued doing that that with orchestra and not worrying about but having to be you know having to beat is not a worry. It's a pleasure just bomb bomb beat along and you know the whole notes but I I wonder what is that continued to work that hard as hard as I worked on that arrangement on stuff. Oh Oh Yeah Oh David Fatboy bad boy David bad boy. It seems like you were never even at the beginning of a career career when people are often anxious to prove themselves or make it big or whatever your first two albums the second one came two years later twelve songs in nineteen seventy these these were not huge commercial successes. I think that probably the reason you started touring after that was at least in part because you got to drum up some excitement around this. It doesn't seem like you ever really were willing to compromise your own vision to say. Could you know it's not like a I've heard people say oh not lately but Beethoven Mozart they could do you know do today. You know great door. There's no way of telling us so stupid but but it isn't necessarily so it isn't necessarily saw that Lennon Burstein you know school. Musician capable of writing great songs could write pop music in fact. He proved he couldn't the mass things like that. It isn't it isn't like you know oh anyone can do it. I mean I'm not sure that I could have done that a mass. I think I I mean I got the messages. I got the message that think it's GonNa rain is real popular and that feels like home is real popular. Though songs were were frankly hard to right isn't that I could do that but I just didn't have it so the third album in seventy to sail away a has been chosen by rolling stone one of the five hundred greatest albums of all time. It's on a lot of lists like that well. I think you're three hundred something they've been but it opens with a title track that a lot of people think is your greatest song ever basically again. I'll always obviously correct me if I'm saying anything wrong but the guy pitching people in Africa to come to America not really necessarily realizing. They're going to be slaves all we we see Shaw's Eh way way we will. I understand the framing of sort of adopting somebody else's personality for Song but the idea of something like that of that particular song. Let's say which I read took six months to come together. Gather in terms of arrangements or whatever it might about school down the wrong road in part wasn't six months of ood grind like you do on uh on a movie but I got the idea in a way this guy whose name I can't recall but he was is married to Leslie Corral was going to have the money to make a movie and he wanted they give pop music people ten minutes a piece like I. I think you mentioned cocker itself a van Morrison to see what they might do so I had an idea of a guy in clearing recruiting the people for the Charleston Margaret and I had a sea shanty before it you know sort of mock Irish Sea Shani and that's what I thought of with ten minutes still unusual idea but I'll tell you. How else are you going to write about it. What are you going to say. Slavery is bad but it seems as American history and particularly race. Are Those interests of yours apart from music even yes. I think so I've written about about a number of times yes. I'm interested in good things happening in that area and I guess I think the best thing I can do is is right about it. I've done it. There's always new things yeah well on that same album. The second song is something I wanna use to ask you a question the second in song lonely at the top. I believe you wrote it for Sinatra and the question is as your own singer-songwriter careers taking off. We're you still interested in writing for other. People still was on the ice still had my old habits. I mean sure that idea. I thought it was good for him. I was wrong. I mean this. How could you think you do that and I thought I said I think it will be hip. You know making fun of all that leaning leaning against the lamp posts so lonely. He's lonely already may be but it's hard to have sympathy for it but I like that kind of show. Oh biz kind of you know area Master General Right Mr Georgia's just how another sign at the seventh political science them food spy and respect. That's job the big ball. You've you've never been somebody. There are a lot of people at the time that you were doing these albums at the early in your career. Who are writing overtly protest songs or are you know sort of political activist songs. It doesn't seem like you would ever do something so obvious but this was in a way your version of that right yeah I've done on it. Other Times. You know wrote a song called. I'm dreaming of a white president and between albums so hasn't gone on on winning but it's probably true that I wouldn't I would if I had you know. There's nothing wrong with emotion. Straight straight unemployed. That's completely what music is supposed to do. Sometimes what I've chosen to do with the media that we've been talking about this character. The character is maybe not a great idea. You know I wouldn't advise any kids to do. I've done all right but I haven't done. That's all right is like Neil diamond. How do you measure all right. Oh two weeks at the Greek. I Dunno just just a gigantic success. You know I got what I wanted. I wanted people who know music are expert in some kind of way to like what I was doing and they did pretty much you know and now I think I'd rather be meal with the Fourth Studio the Um you did something good old boys in nineteen seventy four that I think is it may be unique in your work is to have a just a concept album where it runs through the entire theme team right almost and in this case it's the American south and we're talking about rednecks where you're writing from the perspective of a of a southern races says we're talking about Louisiana nineteen twenty seven which I want to ask you about because that took on a whole new life after Traina. You have a history with the South yourself I do my mother was from New Orleans and I was born in Los Angeles but went to New Orleans when I was a week old maybe two weeks old and we stayed there until I was three and go back in the summer until I was eleven twelve so for me. It was the other place I mean. It was real different. It has had a big river and it rained in the summer afternoon and it was real humid in my mom's family was down there and it was different kind kind of thank different kind of family people mythology is it very much so and I do to some extent to dig in harder into my southern southern heritage which is miniscule then. You might look askance that you know it's likely Jesus you know but I don't like and I've written. I think songs that voice. I can't remember professional southerner. You know like yeah we go boys and all that bullshit will we'll so rednecks. I guess though is sort of the example of adopting the persona of the least becoming southerners right the well not say say the truth. The song is about as you probably know this southern guy who was watching his governor presumably you know on television and and they were rude to him which really happened which really have yeah. I saw Dick Cavite with I thought I thought the audience was route and I thought if if I were a southerner of I were from Georgia I would have been offended by what I saw so I wrote a song and his guys in in the song he mentions mentions all the ghettos of the North that you know you don't have any moral superiority over us. He sang and it's true straight ahead true and ends that's what the guy means to me as possible to get too lost in one of these characters to the extent that you're true to the character but it is dangerous. When song is that well yeah because I mean just to not to beat her out. I don't want to beat around the bush. I mean these days. A song with a guy you know using the n word is not going to go over the way it might have once. It's never know the end. We're never went over but to guy what he used used it. So Oh yeah you're asking. Is that going too far because the guy would use the word definitely would the ultimate thing for you is be true to the character. Sir Yeah I mean admittedly using that word is right on the border line or over it. Maybe but I mean I it isn't quite the ultimate. I'm conscious of being offensive. You know sometimes they just didn't know short people's offensive what coming out there but no. I don't regret that though admittedly it is a close call and I think these days you preface the performance of that with some you don't know in the other one though I just WanNa come back to is because while while that might extensively seemed to be about the Great Mississippi Flood of nineteen twenty seven. There's actually some as usual with you some double meaning. I think think there as well right. What is it when you talk about. They're trying to wash us away and some of that you know the thing down. There is the key to a lot is they don't. I don't like being told what to do. Particularly I think by the North Korea which is Washington up in the north and your is in the North so oh they're trying to watch US away picking an enemy out of the which people do and clouds blow in from the north which they don't really I mean the weather comes from the sow now almost always but it was just the idea that north is coming together. I will we all array down. Black six feet indiscreet disagreed so please yeah all right. You are a step ahead of me. I want to ask you about short short. People which is on Little Criminals Ninety seventy seven the fifth studio album and interestingly the song that of all of your songs was the biggest hit went to number two two on the billboard hot one hundred but also caused a lot of crap. I just want to let people know here. Banned by radio stations protested by people there in in fact I think you even got death threats on behalf of vertically challenged people. Why did you go after us on that one. Just Oh okay well. The the reason I wrote the song I needed an up song for the Album de so I had a lick mind and it just came out. I mean it was so it clear to me that the guy in the song was looney. There's no Kabbalah against short people in the country. There's no no one's plotting. I was surprised I must admit that was insensitive a bit. I thought about kids in junior high. Were things everything council something. They're playing your Asong things like that. But would you have ever guessed though writing it that that would be the song that became not only controversial but also so successful. I thought it was it and that is not a kind of conversation. We had very often. You know. That wasn't what I was doing. I wasn't doing things that people would actually and you go on in the six studio albums in seventy nine born again. This was the sixth also in just eleven years. You were pumping amount the beginning but then over the next twenty seven years three more slowdown but it wasn't because you were not where your focus were you were working but it seems like film scoring and songwriting eventually entered the picture and I just wonder starting in the early eighties with ragtime in the natural no and some of those added later than most. Why did you come to film scoring because that's what I always thought I would do. The family buzz is the family allie distance and there were offers and I turned him down. I think and I was a little concerned that I've turning it down because I was afraid. It's one thing to have a family. That's in the business and all and you can ask a question. Maybe but wmal looking at you when you're actually doing it can be a little difficult. I didn't think about it very much. I picture again cold. Turkey had Arthur Morton as orchestrator who worked with Jerry Goldsmith was was great man. They knew you guys and so I was afraid for three quarters the picture to tell him anything. I just give them. The thing is I didn't even say maybe this could be strings baby. This could be worse and finally said why don't you get an idea and then ever since I've done it. I read that a kind it was maybe a big confidence booster for you. Early on with film scoring was with the natural your uncle Lionel was still around and I think he was hanging alley. John Williams at one point five o'clock. They'd get together and have a drink or something. Johnny was working on whatever it always working on something and you come in here there and it was always feel like a little boy you know in the context as a matter of fact. I was working down there. I'm not sure I was working there. I ran a thermal fax machine make copies of music then would mark them up for the engineer. I learned a hell of a lot doing that now that I recall but I can't remember what I still working scum in that go in there and says you know we generally listen to this. Album is really very good so welcome. Welcome dr two and Johnny was sort of nodding you know and that was it. I got him later for that. I went in there and said you know they were sitting there just the same anyway. I said you know there's drummer in New York who getting triple scale and scale the drug order but that meant a lot to you to have sort of the generation ahead of right wasn't enough more enthusiastic and told me something about Your Own York. I really think I don't think that Tom Cousins Tom. David got much the why do you think that is that they were just so focused on their own stuff or there's a sense of competition. They're worried the next generations. GotTa take them over or what what was it. I think they worry for us and about US worried that we would be smerch the name now that may not be quite fair. I don't know what at out L. worked all the time. Just like Johnny Williams does and then you'd have a couple drinks now was it the day forever and every day never went on occasion nothing but I don't know what it was but I'll tell you this one time l. a. lying on the stand as as a young man and Al.. You you know I was listening to what he was doing and he just really lit into Lionel on when he was on the stand allowed in the same thing to me. I was doing something for Peyton Place Library Music. Shit like the city's Roman like that. You know in your up on the stand. It's a bad thing you know I would never do it yeah interesting just generally speaking because you started to do more you know the pace of scores picked up awakenings avalon eventually years later meet the parents and so many of course the Pixar and Disney movies but how does it work for you when you're composing film. Do you only commit to do a score are after seeing a script or do you need to see a Finnish film or what makes you sign up to do something. I like to see a finished film with the animated stuff that's impossible so I looked at storyboards and I was doing two or three at once. I was doing james and the giant peach toy story. One electrode saw entre movie called cats. Don't dance and those are different but usually I like to see see it because I can't from the script. I can't tell what it's GonNa. Look like maybe others can. I can't how although the collaboration with the director. How does the director communicate with you. Is it somebody saying I'm looking for this. Please you know can you do you this or is it saying generally. What ideas do you have to make this work and just how does that work. You're have one they a indicate what they want usually and I've been lucky I mean another way to pick movies to do. If you could stand to be in the same room with the director and in cases of these pictures are done. I there all right not early. Lucky will not I don't want to there are so how many positive experiences I just going to bring up one because I think it might be illustrative of how this can go wrong and if for people that you you know sounds like seabiscuit was not a wonderful experience no it wasn't that wasn't an Air Force One. I guess we're for it would have been the best escort ever get. I've really yeah so what went wrong there. I don't know what went wrong. we knew that. Wolfgang Petersen could be difficult about things he wanted so at the beginning when we're looking at it he's in there and I had a music editor. Take down his ideas musically and so every every little east and then it goes laboon fulltime boom wharf and get it all but he he didn't like him. I'm sure he has good reason and I thought it was okay seabiscuit biscuit what he had I I slowed everything down. If you could have made a documentary he would have. He wanted it to be the words he wrote. Which would you know quite beautiful very often over narration you know he was a race they had the Sandinista Derby was on and so they go into the stretch and boom pick. I said we'll pick it up there. You know and he'll follow him in and he wins. It's a big rate. This movie isn't about the Horse and he said that it was about the depression and the way things were in. That's what interested stood. Him and smartphone have disagreements yes so so we'd slowed down what I did which you can't do. He did that without consulting you well. They don't have to consult you. They just do it so it wasn't wasn't awful yeah but it wasn't something. I'm proud of some of it in others other parts less so with a let's say you do the greatest score of your life based based on your experience observing your uncle's compositions making your own listening to everybody else should a great score be noticeable missile to an audience well. If it's a great score where you can say well. That's a great score. It will be at least eastern part noticeable. It isn't necessary for score to be great if it helps the movie tremendously. That's what it's supposed to do and that's all but there's there's always a tendency that some exposed things with greats like people might call Lawrence of Arabia great score set. I don't know whether I would or not but maybe but it's got exposed moments. They're withering heights by offers a great scorer as it's on a break that people not as familiar with that with with Lawrence and occasionally inevitably. It's about Lourdes in Bronco and miracle. That happens and that's music is out front there. It's for that so as your film scoring portion of the of your career is taking off you continued to do studio albums and the one that I I want to go to next is number seven trouble in paradise and eighty three because this has one of the songs that I think maybe of all of yours seems to me could have been most misunderstood by people which is I love L. A. It's been embraced by the Olympics. The dodgers Lakers everybody the at them but but the the subversive versus thing here is that it's actually for all the upbeat you know cheerleading sound of it. You're not highlighting things of that people from L. A. Should be particularly particularly proud of right now unless proud of the imperial highway. There's nothing taller than you are. That's not quite true anymore. uh-huh but yeah you can't write a chamber of Commerce Song About Big American city now. I don't think you can well but in this case. It's not like if you were itching to do a song about. La It was sort of a dare no I. It was a suggestion. Don Henley suggested that a lot of people writing. La Law it was actually from here which is true so I should try mound fouled women. No well the in that raises something. I should've asked you about earlier. which is can you explain for people? How what you're the roots of your relationship with the Eagles was because I think they were singing backup on rednecks and you guys have a long history well. They were the best background singers lenny new new pointed at them. They were and they were the most absolutely festivities backgrounds who and dedicate they would stay and that's good that sounds good okay and the hours than our you develop an ear for it which they really I think the distinguishing one of the distinguishing things about about album number eight land of dreams in one thousand nine hundred eighty is that it was autobiographical in a way that your others have not been. Why did you decide to do. Is it just sort of a new new challenge for yourself so this is like and I did so you've said I guess basically earlier in a way. It's harder to write as yourself yeah I. I mean it's ask myself but there's lies in it. Don't worry precisely autobiographical. So what about like. I want you to hurt like idea. That's I hope that's not true. I mean I just was that songs about having that sentiment where the guy goes too far family and children and everybody wants you to her like I do. I think that's true of some people I'm not sure about that read out. Oh my and a the Taumoepeau I want to ask in terms of number nine of the album's bad love one thousand nine goodwill hit is and the song on there which I think you've said is again. One of the ones that you're happiest with is the world isn't fair where you're essentially looking at the world through the eyes. Karl Marx works of all people but the here's a case where somebody listening to it might never believe unless they're gonNa hear it now from you. What kind of a personal personal experience could inspire a song about Karl Marx of all things. Can you share where my kids were in the process of going to you're a private schools and we looked at a few and saw some parent meetings and some of these parents talking about seventh grade. They're going into rabbit. You know they'd say how many students go to Brown school things and and they're trying to sit well. That's not really the point here but it was the point to. Some of these people saw one. Where a guy that. Are you going to teach estimating now the estimates something and this will. I don't know they didn't know 'cause he was. He was adamant about it. It's not right to do that to estimate you get the exact number for things and I thought whoa these people are nuts and it was it was highly early. Pressurized God knows what the kids went through but the parents were this was this was like life and the throne and how does that lead to the idea of Karl Marx from office boy took a hard look around. You saw people starring all over the place well this opinions Tom boy spirit in that warfare awed really rethink to came up with a plan peel expectation aw I run into it yet but it's it's it's the fact that some people have got it and some people zone and its elemental kind of bad thing. I did a difficult thing you reconcile thing on Saturday night live about Dukakis the mind Dukakis who against Ford or somebody Ah Bush Bush and Bush was saying and in his mind was think think how's this guy that's sort of the ready the counter of this call you such a these rain just installs men what's light unpleasant to soon kiss prince so because of the characters characters that you've chosen to opt in a lot of these songs. There are some people who assume you are a meaning angry guy. No and I don't think that seems to be the case but I do. WanNa read back to you. Something funny that I read you said once which was quote if I could rate. I love you just the way you are are. I'd have been happy to have done it but I would have written the whole thing at the end I'd of gone you stupid bitch and blown. My chances close quo is this. Is that still just playing a persona or do you really think like you're not if you sat down and said. I want to write a song like I love you just the way you are. I bet you could do it. I could do it sort of but see I never saw my voice as him roic in any way the the guy for thinking of that and saying sort of a hero and it's romantic flat out I mean maybe I could do it if I played along with it like they do for actors. I you know feels like home is a pretty good song and it's absolutely strength way. It is now well with with the with the remaining time what I WANNA do is ask you just about some pixar stuff and then our this amazing two thousand nineteen. That is is happening for you so let's start with. How did you John Lasseter. I cross paths I read it was as far back as ninety one and then toy story didn't come along until ninety eighty five but you've done nine movies for Pixar nine and yeah I can reach for four toys store two cars at six yeah and then to monsters Bug's life and yet it's so how did this start with John. Lesser well as far as I can recall call it was press Montan toll laster that I'd be a good person to do this picture so we met and I also I saw him at a story story board thing that he did and he had such enthusiasm. I'm a pessimist but have guessed that but unfortunately fortunately I am even though I know that optimism is more valuable to you. You know if you were it'd be great. If I ah cheerfully undertake what I had to do but I don't but I wish I did. I can't see myself doing exactly then it gets so I met him before torture. Yeah I have a quote from him here. From years ago saying before regarding before you even met you quote. I used to listen to his music music from the natural and Avalon driving my car and he appealed to me because he could not only right emotional music but music with a sense of humor close quote so now toy story comes as long. We should note that at that point. Pixar had never made a film before you had never scored an animated film or a family film like that process and and and Pixar as a kind of unspoken understanding didn't want to be doing what Disney was doing. They didn't want to do musicals. So how do they come to you in the sense of what did they. What did they want from you if they don't want to music centric film mostly. I don't know how they add the extra songs. I think I think new ferry fairly early. That buzz was gonNA jump off the banister and he needed someone to do that. Hence the natural was some some interest and I think the front they knew they needed the main title sorta thing the maybe they added. I'll tell you there look I was saying earlier three animated pictures that I was doing actually I was doing james giant peach when that came out but I remember during the score well before I did toy story and I wrote songs for this movie cats and I thought at first twister. It was the least likely to succeed really yeah. Why is that well. I just thought that the others excellent dancer I didn't know anything about much not not much just about you know what I was doing but James and the giant peach. I thought that it would be successful. You know I just ahead of a student but I came around. They were smart fellas at at Pixel and decisions they I made but the processes is complicated. They know it like I saw Denisova screening with five to ten year olds they did no. I can't remember which picture it was five to ten year olds and I saw a little bit of it and you know things are no laughs. Nothing just silence that's and they come out of the really happy says No. No that's just the way it is they laugh when someone falls down slapstick stuff but they follow the story and I think it was too too because it had the song that I was worried. The kids wouldn't sit still for though the Sarah McLaughlin yeah but they did. What do you make of the fact that there is after all these singer songwriter albums that we've been talking about up to this point that there is are there are now multiple generations of people who certainly know you for that but then there's multiple generations of people who know you as you've got a friend in me yeah they don't even know the two sides may not even know about each other dog. You've got a friend Red House. Nice a bit you what your Ford you yet you. You got whatever they liked me. I'm sort of glad you know when I wouldn't play a concert with this kid who became popular through the Internet Rex County from England and I went up on stage to do you got a friend with him because he was doing he did that on an album or something like that you know it was like the so much like the Beatles playing dodger stadium wanted to feel that and I mean I didn't do it for that reason but it was nice to get something that we're you're going so in two thousand and two. I remember watching this on TV. It's your sixteenth time being nominated for an Oscar you you have not yet one and that night. Jennifer Lopez goes up there in announces that you have won best original song for Monsters Inc thou- which may be you know to live they could happen. Help dreams do come through what you seem seem like a guy who is hard to rattle or get too emotional but it's. I remember watching it and it struck me that you seemed very moved. Why why was that the orders. Mr stood up they they were glad that I want that. People have worked with the MO much of my working life some of them and they told them not to If I make any show of happiness whatever the hell they were doing but I was okay then I saw them standing up in it. Kinda got me and I said Jesus Christ. I'M NOT GONNA cry in this place. I almost did you know and then you know it's not reflective necessarily of merit you know it's not in their best work necessarily and you know the big deal. That's made of it isn't justified is a big deal to people really is for a day and a half and then it happened again a few years later for toy story three so I want now take us just in the remaining time through two thousand nine hundred and because I don't know if you've ever had such a diversity of and in quantity of crazy things going on at once but let's start with toy story for the score and the song. I can't let you throw yourself away very big heart tiger. Let's is let's start with that very successful summer movie with with another great song for Pixar. Thank you yeah that's. I like that saw. It just says what got to say. It's like so you've got a friend in its way to yourself and the score. They said they were glad they had me on it. Because of the emotional content I mean I mean that's what they think. I do really well. Maybe there's some truth in that the best thing I do maybe that movie had had to keep the ball in the air emotionally for about six minutes so you had to keep pouring out the SCHMALTZ would just playing it and says all right wealthier same song Tao small slow uh-huh all right next thing from this year you are of all things featured appeared on chancellor rappers for studio album and I wonder if you can just share how this collaboration which to some people might seem unlikely unlikely came to came to be well. He said I think that he was a fan of mine. Since he was thirteen his father appointed to that and that was you know that was nice satisfying and he wants to do something for the record and I said sure I went down and it was great. It's a totally different style of working than I get that they put it on and they tape everything and they use a lot. You know like in the background background moving cocaine around accidentally and so I just kept playing this thing I was on when it was off but we just sung back and forth. It was a lot of fun. Usually I don't like the studio and here it's an orchestra Mr Greg because you're not used to going to steal and then improvising in studio off totally unused to it talk take over in back in the bag. You deserve a black in on her back also with the gleam black slacks jacket people. Shouldn't you think this is just like out of the blue that you're involved with. Let's say rap generally speaking because here's a quote from nineteen eighty eight that I found which is kind kind of amazing from you in one thousand nine hundred quote right now. Rap is my favorite pop style because it's like playing tennis without a net close quote and you've always had a bit of a in kinship with rappers because it seems like everybody else in music they might be the other people who are sort of singing as a persona right. Yes I think so. Ah Closer to me than regular pop. It's been mile and there are people doing a character. WHO's not a good guy. I on purpose. Sometimes it's used as an excuse for Saint. Kill the cops but they do do that. It's interesting I mean I'm sure there's more than that. I'm not following well but I mean certainly eminem some big talent and that beautiful twisted twisted nightmare things a great album and and Cognac from Jay Z also sample Baltimore. That was a couple of years ago okay so so that brings us to marriage story which is this great movie that people are going to be seeing on Netflix and in theaters you know in the near future. It's directed by Noah Baumbach Lombok. It's your first dramatic score in almost like two decades assure the more but they were around the the office. I had in for Carson's it in a way a composer can get typecast yeah so you did work with no before on his comedy. Meyrowitz stories noon selected that was two years ago sort of a comedy yeah dark dreary. How did you two I connect them. And why did you hit it off. He's he's not known to be the easiest warmest I've heard of that but I never saw them easily very good to me and solicitous my opinions and uh didn't over anything and he got better and better. His instincts got better and better about music on marriage laurie. How did he explain to you. You I mean. Did you see the movie in this case before you had anything to do with it. When did you come in yeah. I'm trying to think there were big parts of it that they didn't. They weren't there but I got the idea. I heard that something you guys talked a lot about for reasons. I'll leave to you to explain the old French composer George Delarue. Why was he had a consideration because he used them in the temp- I thought ill advisedly for one thing. It's very French stuff and obviously scoring a French movie good as he was and and I don't know whether whether he ever got from me what he really wanted I think even now when you mentioned that I think he wanted dynamics dynamics to jerk around like delarue does and sloppy outs get out like porno and he stopped in his stuff. No stop playing yeah. Just one of the best guys deliver notice in the production notes. I noticed he said quote yeah. We even recorded the orchestra similarly to how delarue did it in the sixties and seventies you how does that what does it yeah. I don't know the engineer the sound we wind but it was really Noah doing that gang sound he wanted at the end you know with the engineer David Voucher the movie starts with something like eight minutes of uninterrupted squirt. That's can you explain why that's unusual what that's like for you as the composer the eight minute montage this is where they're saying things. I like about each other things. They like about each other and comedy and there's tenderness in it. It's just a lot at the outset and there's no doubt about it. The audience is seemed fine with it apparently but it's difficult to do. How long does something like that take. You took me two weeks. Maybe you know maybe more you know thinking about things and fix again. Orchestration was it because I thought that was the first thing so. I didn't have an orchestra yet. I didn't know what I was going to views ended up using it sort of chamber or extra which is exposed you make a mistake you can hear the movie as you sign. Oh I hand in telluride where you were there for the North American premier. It's gone over really well and I wonder if you can set aside humility for a minute. What is the role. That music plays in making this a an excellent film. It's all around excellent film. But what what are you proudest of. What are you happy with about the music. It requires an emotional sort of job and I'm satisfied that it does it. I'm satisfied that if the filmmaker maker wants you to feel pain sorrow what I might add to that that's what music can do make as an exciting thing more exciting make a romantic thing more romantic last thing I want to do if we can is just call rapid fire just the first thing that comes to your mind and who's the greatest singer songwriter alive today not name Randy Newman Neil Young Neil young okay. Are you tempted to do a Broadway production. Just go get the tea and finish the NO I. I don't know whether that's for me. Yeah I mean I. I tried and I never got past Indiana right with us and I liked added. When I think of it now I wouldn't wouldn't work. They wouldn't like it. Maybe whose opinions about your music. Do you actually care about. Well I care about. Everyone's all ask anybody yeah. Lenny's got other interests. Now you know like doc like I do like being old. It was always it was always letting now Mitchell from amendment. Would you trade all the Oscars emmys and grammys for mass following a larger like you're saying Neil diamond type thing and the money that comes uh-huh with that would be nice but you know that's an interesting question. I I would trade all the award type stuff but I wouldn't betrayed my reputation. Yeah it's pretty good. Neil Diamond's is pretty good too. It deserves deserves. Dab and he's a great guy but I don't think I would trade that. What's your honest one-sentence appraisal of South Park's portrayal of you. It's such a funny show so that I can accept it all right. I mean it was a funny thing. You know I was sensitive about writing. Although Shuffles Arrow three-quarters it specialists but how I mean that's what work so by what I'm showing you. This answer is. It bothered me a little bit yeah yeah. What's the best cover of one of your songs. The best thing I ever heard was another cover but I wrote a song for Princess in on the front and there's a song in it called Mattie Song that was her name at the time and Alicia keys sunit which she she was sort of trying out for the part kind of and that's the best another great one is that was out is James version of I love Godson. Yeah brave grave record yeah if the world was on fire and only one randy newman song could be saved. which would you want it to be? I won't won't be the first cut of the last album the great debate that would be a at the end of the day you know. There's this great debate speaking of going going on right now about spotify apple music all this stuff. Is it ultimately a good thing or a bad thing for musicians the idea of streaming it was good win. It wasn't monetize the way it's getting. I don't necessarily think it's a good thing from his. They won't get a piece of the pie you wrote a song about Vladimir. Putin uncalled Putin back in two thousand sixteen and I understand you subsequently wrote a song about Donald Trump with the hook. What a Dick close quote. Why has that song. I'm not been released. All I wouldn't do that. I mean this wasn't wasn't good. What would your uncle's career. You've had if they could be sitting here today. They'd be happy for I mean they love me. They just didn't extend themselves. I mean it was fine with me. I was in different fields Tony Tabeth. I don't think they did enough on lastly many years from now when we're all gone. How do you want to be remembered and how do you I hope not to be remembered. I want to be remembered as one of the best film scores it's hard. It's going to be hard. Give me that because so much of it is animated which they don't take seriously but which is harder to do anything almost and one of the best of the singer songwriters yeah to be in the highest rank there would be good made me happy up downhill where I'm going. Well can't thank you enough. This was great. Thank you very much good talking to you too. Thanks very much for tuning into awards chatter. We really appreciate you taking the time to do that and would really appreciate you taking a minute more. Subscribe to our podcast for free on Itunes or your podcasts up and to leave us. A rating is well. If you have any questions comments or concerns you can reach me via twitter at twitter order dot com slash Scott Fiber and you can follow all of my coverage between episodes at Ta jarred dot com slash the race finally be sure to check out the other podcasts that are part of the Hollywood reporter's podcast network all of which are excellent Lesley Goldberg and Daniel Find Burks. 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Monday Music 2 - Randy Newman (2)

The Nicole Sandler Show

14:44 min | 2 years ago

Monday Music 2 - Randy Newman (2)

"Live world-class rock from studios. See do go. Please. That would be us. He is a Grammy. And EMMY award winner has been nominated for countless Oscars, including three this past year has rightfully been described as one of the greatest composers working today. He's here on the eve of three house of blue shows and -ticipant of the release of a brand new album called bad love Randy Newman. Thank you so much for coming in today. Well, it's always a pleasure to see you and to hear new music from you. Sure the new album bad love comes out Tuesday. June first that's June first week from today on. Yeah. Be exciting for me. See if it does as well as the backstreet, boys. Justin. We're hoping you I hope so. Well, I actually played a song off here called. I miss you this Sunday morning. I do a Sunday. Sunrise kind of acoustic show beautiful. This record is is. I think what what we expect from Randy Newman. Let's about the little vulgar over sensitive, vulgar. Do you wanna start with something new from the album, a song called the the world isn't fair a bridge. I'm very grateful. When call marks was born he took. He saw people were starving all over the place while others would painting the town. The public spirited bone Kim public spirit. You. Chilly came up with a plan to be no exploitation of the work of always kid. No discrimination. No property would not be. Vast will. Could see to Olga wonder completely like some we all know this Mogs living he'd be rolling around in his grave. Had him here. Mansion owning he'll tell him storm into a Guinness all heart chill. Chill you'd something that happened in. I'd say caller recently stumble. Into a new family. With little children in school. Well, little children should be. Now went to the orientational. All the young mommies. Carl you never seen such a Laureus site. Is these biddable women rain for the night? Just like counters through them. Movies dolls in queens. Nate come there with men much like me froggies men unpleasant to see will you to kiss spun? Neria prince would there be? Never will be they tried out too broad. You'd seen. They worked. The weather. And the ball, you know. Would depress this car. Because we care. That. Still is. Randy Newman in studio seeing channel one of three one the world is in fair one of the songs from the brand new album Bab love that comes out on Tuesday. In fact, you're going to be doing an in-store on Wednesday at tower sunset I hear they're going to close down the store you're going to do a performance and and hold court Tuesday. People be lining up for that. I think so pictures of Harrison Ford can the people in the studio here the piano on this or they can't they can't listening to this. Capelle? Luckily, they're not music lovers. You've got. Birthday to Boothby too. Whose birthday is? Nobody's maybe one of their. Somebody listening. They should be paid for. A three shows at the house of blues tomorrow night Thursday night and Saturday is now I know they are going to put seats out. It's going to be very intimate. Really nice evening. Our solo again. I is it going to be this setup. You with a piano, real Correal, piano as real as this one sounds. It's not real now. This is an electronic this over. You've gotten a lot of attention lately. For the film work you've done and congratulations on the Oscar nominations you were nominated this year for for three different Oscars in three different categories for three different films three times sat through five our show. Great way to spend an evening. But I well so threw me off their Pleasantville bugs life babe pig in the city. You're you seem to be spending more and more of your time doing that. And I think some people are a little afraid that you might have just said. All right. Well, I'm gonna move into the film thing exclusively, but you pleased us by putting this out. You know didn't know how do you know, it'd been awhile since I'd written songs without an assignment. But I'm satisfied, you know, that I haven't deteriorated too badly. And I'll I'll do it more often the more wait that long. I mean, it is probably what I do best, you know, and I haven't been doing it and people should try and do what they do best unless it's murder. Well, some of these a lot of the stuff you're writing for films, you're writing specifically for the film than it goes into up Louis, but you've also had a couple of things show up where they weren't written for that purpose yet they worked out. You can leave your hat on most recently. Sure was in the full Monty full Monty nine and a half weeks might have been another things. I don't know. Right. Well, yeah. I do remember the nine and a half weeks one. But the scene in the full Monty was wonderful net. Today approach you and say they wanted to use it they use the Tom Jones verse talked to like a one of my people as we say, they they their people have to have a they use it. Do you get to see it before? And it happens. No some of them. I haven't seen that the songs have been in yet. But but Matteo what it's used for. You know, I make sure that it's not used for evil. A bunch of like kind of flabby construction workers are gonna do a strip tease said it was just like a big deal at the end of the movie. It was a real inexpensive Musetta didn't wanna pay much. And then they made, you know, letting did you ever get to see the ally mcbeal episode that used short? That was wonderful. I really did a nice job gospel version of very inspired funny episode is well that kind of worked I you have written so many songs that have gone on to become huge hits. Like, those are did any of them surprise you. Short people surprise me. I mean anytime I have a head. I mean says I don't have like a track record, you know, for like, Diane Warren or David foster or Billy Joel or you know, a lot of other people who can write hits and can do. So it's just something that it isn't as if like I could do it if I wanted to. I mean, I don't think I it's what I do necessarily. I think read some good songs, but I don't think writing hits what you some always. It's always a little accidental or it's when I get. When I have to do something for Disney sort of polls me back into the mainstream. I can't be too vile. If I if I I'm writing, you know, you've got a friend in me. You know? Which I'll play I guess. Okay. This is sort of the kid friendly me. In me. You've got a friend in me. Win. Wrestler hand in your math math from you'll nice bay. Member were passing. Friendy? In. You got you got several. Got him. Anything wooden do? Sticked could see it you. Some of the folks might be bit spotty big strong too. Do you? As the years go by. Yup. You got. Yeah. You. Randy Mumin with channel one twenty headline. Love it record that whether you. Yeah, fun good. He is a good guy. All right. So you've got the new album bad love coming out. But recently, you put out one of the most wonderful box sets that I've ever seen. It's called guilty. Thirty years of Randy Newman, and you really really nice job. It wasn't a more. I did that music. But I mean, the people at Ryan on Catholic for my manager. They put together a lending warrant wrote a nice thing title. And and it. Yeah. They really did the best thing anyone ever did for me. What is the studio when you look for you read through this? The booklet is is really all encompassing, and it and it just kind of looks back over your career. Do you ever feel like you're looking at your life? Like, it's memorial set. Yeah. Mean they waited long enough. You know, I mean, it's like thirty years it, we're guilty three almost dead. You know? Instead. But no, I'm I'm glad that it's there, and it isn't like I can say, you know, a will. This isn't very good. This is what I did. So you gave a little liners you about pretty much all this is in here. They wanted that. So once I remembered I talked about. Can I get you to do one more like pull out one of the big the the big guns? Sure. Let's. No. So. No, no. Being the. Need? Platform shoes. Feet. What? On. No. So people round here. This is the big. People. New. All men. Wonderful world show Puga. No. So people know body. Oh. No buddy too. Baby makes. Alone. Got peak. Just. Little calls. Little voice would be. They got. Don't get. Time with that. What? Don't want those people row. Thank you. So much ado Randy Newman studio see on channel one. Oh, three one. Don't forget a three. Rare opportunities to see Randy Newman. Do what I'm watching enjoying him? Do right here. House of blues tomorrow night Thursday night, Saturday night, and then an in-store special in store tower on sunset next Wednesday night June second at seven o'clock the new album called bad love hit stores Tuesday living legend. Yes. Thank you so much. Let me give these girls set of your phone. So they can actually hear something that isn't horrible. Okay. Thank you very much. Thank you.

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Music Monday 2 - Randy Newman (1)

The Nicole Sandler Show

24:43 min | 2 years ago

Music Monday 2 - Randy Newman (1)

"Food into the FM one point nine music hall. And I am looking at a songwriter in the truest sense of the word. His songs have become huge hits for himself and lots of others. They range from the serious and sad to the humorous ironic and satirical, it's been a few years since his last studio album, but Randy Newman, his very busy. We'll we'll get into all of that. Thank you for coming in. Also pleasure to be here. It's an honor to have you here. You're doing a couple of shows this weekend as we just heard has it been awhile since you've performed here. Gee, I don't know. I can't remember the last time. It was you know, when you get older with someone's trying to tell me when wasn't nineteen forty nine. Has been cover years. Maybe. Yeah. So so what is your show going to consist of this weekend? Well, I'm gonna go out there and to where the piano is and play my songs are short. So I may have to play almost all of them. But I'm gonna play old songs. New songs. Sad songs. Blue songs. Let everything. Yeah. I'm gonna have to. Well, you do one fourth right now. Okay. Let me put my earphones on here. I mean, headphones sorry. Not that old. David take off your coat. Real slow. Take off your shoes. The I'll take shoes. Take off. Yes. Hat. Johann. Candy your hat on. On over there. So. No all the late. Comeback here. Stand on this chip. That's right. Yeah. Give mill REEs. Mill Beeson building. No reason. Suspicious minds talking. Chanted sales. By love his role. They don't know what. No. All no. Ono would know. Would know. Randy Newman in the music tolin FM one nine you can leave your hat on what a great song and great feminist number as and that that song was big hit for Joe cocker founded the movie nine and a half weeks and accompanied Kim Basinger is very sexy striptease act you'll do. I saw it. A couple hundred times a lot of people that has become the soundtrack for a lot of women to do a strip tease for their against him. So. You know that the guy is kind of. You know, ineffectual sort of fellow, you know, I'm always not thought of it as a that. There was something there's something sort of wrong with the guy, you know, bullying people around like that. But I've gotten older I find that it's more. I that I take less of as a joke. Very sexy fund song. Wimpish way. It leads us to the the subject of music for film with what you've been occupying most of your time with lately has been did you write that for nine and a half weeks on? I think it was on album way back there. I think it was on sale away or one of those. So it was just something somebody found now you come from a family of musical film. Composers? Do there's been. Six of us mazing enough three miles into my cousins. So is this something that was always in the back of your mind when you were writing songs that you would get into film? Well, it wasn't in the back. I mean, it was what I thought it was what I thought. I'd do you know when I was a kid because they didn't have like singer songwriters. It'd be songwriters like, you know, Berlin or somebody and and then there'd be singers like Frank Sinatra. But there wasn't both wasn't just didn't exist. Sort of till then, you know, when I started listening to Carole king, and and stuff she was writing. And then I start writing when I was sixteen sign up with the publisher. And you actually started writing is one of those staff writers for music company about unsuccessful. She would get the records. You know, there's a musical. There's a film being made now based on the bro building in the activties. They're all there. I mean, Neil diamond and Carole king and Sadako Berryman. Yeah. Is that some of the artists the some of the songwriters from that era being teamed up with current songwriters, Burt Bacharach and Elvis Costello really Gerry Goffin and Los Lobos and the writing together for this film. Well, they'll be like a train wreck won't be. You were nominated for an Academy Award for a song in a motion picture this year three times been but always the singing lobster beat me there one time and another time Simba Mefatha beat me and Disney people. Well, they deserved it. I mean Elton, John he can't anytime. He gets anything can't be a mistake. You know? I mean, he deserves what he gets now. In addition to your film work. You've also been been involved in a project for I it seems like I've been reading about this for the last three or four years off and on. Now, I'm it's almost done the it's an album based on the foul sledge, and you know, about the Lord and the devil making a bed about this kid persons. Whether man is mankind's of mistake or not the devil says you'll mankind was a mistake. The Lord says he doesn't make mistakes and they pick a. The man on earth and see whether the devil Coon corrupt them. And in version, I've written there's now of it with me as the devil and James Taylor is the Lord and Elton John places sort of bitter British angel and. Faustus Don Henley, and Linda Ronstadt is his girlfriend Bonnie rates her friend. I'll say I'm gonna put my name real small. So when do we expect to hear this number twelve? Wow, terrific will look forward to Randy Newman is our guest in the FM went to one point nine musical. Get you to play another one for sure. I'll play one of the things Linda doesn't this thing won't sing it as well. But I'll do it. Close your. Lullaby. They don't want you cry. Never had a chance. Never. Hey. The. Simmons coming through new is company. Sue. Close. Three. Three. Dream yourself. A place where we. Db you never know. Close. You don't wanna see Greg? Man comments. Newest comey's. San man's comas. New is coming. Well, less FM one point nine with Randy Newman in the music call. So we'll hear Linda Ronstadt seeing that on Faust when it's different key. Okay. You know, we talked a little earlier just a few minutes ago about your beginnings as a staff songwriter and your career probably got a big boost when Harry Nielson recorded in album of your songs, Mark. We've got a big boost almost ruined him. But. But things like that. I think the first thing that really had some hits in England with gene Pitney and Alan price. But I think the first thing was when Judy Collins that think it's gonna rain people sort of noticed me. And of course, when you know, a great writer like Kerry chooses to do. A whole album of another person song it it brings you tension. Who's known as a songwriter. Oh, yeah. A really good one really good. When you know when. We do this some kind of moral album recently for and. When you look through when I look through the stuff to pick out what I was gonna do. It was remarkable. How good it is. It was really he was really good. I hope he knew it. But I don't know earlier this morning, it's Tuesday, and we call it new day Tuesday where in the morning here, we preview new material, and I have for the love of herring. Have you seen it yet? Oh, yes. I haven't seen the cover now. Yeah. And you do the song. Remember the lead off track on the Harry Nilsson tribute album. They did a nice job at that your first major smash. It was probably what three dog night's recording of mama told me not to come in this country. It was certainly like it was number one record. And what was your biggest hit as you as a perform short? It was like the didn't mean a good did me more harm than good. But it was a big yet. I love LA was a hit in LA county only. No, you know, things like, you know, the theme from the naturalist like sort of a hidden away. And that it, but not actually literally to get in the, you know, those top forty books of nineteen seventy two and nineteen, you know, things like that only only short people, I think it's money. That matters was was a bit of a hit. You probably your most successful songs are all based on very colorful characters. It's what interestingly writing about characters Goodwin's bad ones. Usually I've done it for a long time. I don't know why choose that sort of indirect method. But but that's what I do. You're not known for auto biographical works. No not much. Last album. I did a few just to see if I could do it. But I I did. So now, maybe I won't have to any more. You mentioned short people do still get some backlash from that. Or the died. Every once in a while, there's someone like, you know, oh, I really, you know, with a little bitterness in about it. You know, I can understand you know, if if every day they went to work in the office people were bothering him and stuff. I mean who needs it? It's tough enough. But it was mostly. I mean, people got it. I mean Cochran anyone be that nuts. You know? They're out there. I mean as the person in the song. I mean, he's crazy. Yeah. Yeah. But no one with quite that specific, you know, bias against short people where he's going to rant and rave about it like that. I love LA. Do you still feel that way? Yeah. Basically, I do feel that what he's changed different. But. You know, the weather's nice. And and I got family here. And always find myself defending it. I I mean when I'm here I complain about. But when I'm away and have to defend it against all the people in the world who attack it. I I find that. I do really sorta love it. Sure. New York City. Cold and his damn. The people. Dress monkeys. Let's leave Chicago to the eskimos. That tells little bit too. View and meet you bad. Good. Down. The bond. Roll down wind put down a top trag beach port. Using stuff going to scale. Perfect day. We've done. Bumble? He's down on his knee. Randy Newman live in the up time. One one point I music call. This may be asking kind of like if you have a favorite child, but do you have a favorite song that you've written? Yeah. The the there's a solemn this next record the the Faust album called happy ending that. I like, I know all all change my mind that I like best of of the the best record. I think was a thing called Miami those on trouble in paradise. But I like this song best in a way. But I mean, it'll pass is just a momentary enthusiasm because I wrote it just a little while ago. And it still new, and yeah, you know, that happens you think the last score the last movies or the last songs the best. But but I'm I listen to this one. And I never listened to my stuff usually who performs that one on the record. I do. Got a fax this morning from Bill somebody from Monterey park says. Would you please ask Randy Newman? Why I can't find good old boys on a CD? You should be able to find that. It's on CDs. Yeah. Try going to Highland Park or bell or somewhere, you know, somewhere around there and. I've seen it myself. Maybe in some kind of weird been, you know, like with fronnie and Tisha or some kind of odd. They do that to me sometimes. But it's there. If faxes you're with an address or something send him one. Okay. Sure, he would love that visi. All right. You said you've been beaten out for the kademi award. A couple of times by Disney. Well, you're you're next film. That's coming around. The holidays is the Disney film Toy Story. Join them. I know that the reason this is that I like those the stuff they do and everything that beat me sort of deserve to be being, you know, the the under under the C, you know, from little mermaid one time another time. It was it was. Yeah. Foshan simba. And and I wanted to I like, I like all those movies, and I wanted to do something like it. So doing called Toy Story where wrote the songs and sing them and come out thank round thanksgiving scores. I guess. Yeah. It's computer animated first full sort of big computer animation things process called Pixar with Tom Hanks and Tim Allen playing the characters and it's about. The the premise of it is is that toys have lives of their own. You know when people aren't watching. They can't move when people are watching it. When people aren't watching the dancing around and doing all kinds of stuff, and that's good. So when you score a film like that, you sit and watch it and right as you're watching it to memory, sit and watch it a number of times. And then you get a. You can get a copy of it. But what you really right to in a way is the is the thing called the sheet where they give you, you know, at twenty two seconds. So and so the someone jumps up and down and at the twenty eight seconds sort Robert Redford hits second base, or whatever thing you, you write to time must be pretty all consuming process. It's a good description of it takes a all your time in all your resources. I love I love the work. I find you know, I think I hate it. But when when I look back, I'd say, you know, that I really liked working that hard doing things you would ordinarily do, and I love orchestra in musicians. It's got its upsides downsides. But it's you know, it's better than actually working what about recording another album of just song. I don't know whether I can do it next year because I've never done it one year after I did one. But I'll certainly do that. I mean, it may be what? You know, I should spend most of my time doing probably I mean, it may be what I do best on all it's been. And it's been on the last one was in like eighty eight. It's always been a while. I mean, I've been doing interviews for, you know, twenty five years, and they always say what's been awhile since your last record. It's been a while. And they're always, right. You know, I don't know why. I mean this time I was doing stuff lots of it. But other times, I was you know, what I was doing. I don't remember with time. With Randy Newman is our guest here at FM one zero one point nine it's such a pleasure speaking with you as a pleasure talking to you. It's great being here. You have to show this weekend Friday and Saturday night at the cerita center for the performing arts the phone number of anyone's interested in tickets is eight hundred three hundred four three four five. That's not true. You know one. You've got so many great songs, but I have one of my favorites. Salloway? Can I get you to do that? This pedal. This. America. Give food e. Won't have to run through the Jones and scuff up. You feet. Just saying about Jesus drank wine all day. Great to be an American. Nola tiger mom snake? Just sweet wall men and in the book. Ever. The main can be. Board. Lou walks way with me. Sail away. We will grow the Matt. Say. Same way. We will crow the money. Need chows and be. The main street. To take care of his home and his family. Ball tree? Y'all going to be an American. Same way. We will grow. Sane will. We will gross. The matter. Worst. Boston b. Randy Newman live it up one point nine. Thank you so much. Thank you for. It's been a real pleasure for me. Again. Three does center for the performing arts Friday night and Saturday night Randy Newman, please come back and visit us anytime. We'll we'll I'll be back tomorrow. Great. Okay. Then.

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The Princess and the Frog with James III

Blank Check with Griffin & David

2:25:03 hr | 5 months ago

The Princess and the Frog with James III

"Saturday grab somebody come on down. Van paint prize-winning pain the town. There's some sweetness going round. Dreams do come. true in. Podcast leans. So i want to because i think people might be confused. It was ahead of the opening. What i did there. This movie is set in new orleans. Nolan's bright right right now. I'm pronouncing it in a very non traditional way. The overly formal way new orleans instead of nolan's because in order to execute the and once again a very subtle nuance joke. That i want to open the episode with. I had to imply that there is a place called. Podcast leans and that in fact the place where dreams do come true they sure. Do 'em podcast leans. Here's the thing that really hit me hard watching this movie. Because i was digging back into while i was watching it. I was going through all the like wikipedia citations thing. I often do when we Do this show as i'll start on the kapiti a- and then i'll start looking at the link to articles from the time the movie came out. And then i'll use that as a rabbit hole to look into other things because i'm always trying to remember like how things received. How are they anticipated. What was the discourse like at the time rather than than what's it like now and there was so much hand wringing obviously about the representation in this movie and disney would announce something they'd get blowback and then they go never mind. We're changing it. We're changing it. There was all this stuff but they were trying so hard to be like. This is important. We understand the importance of it. It's our first black print says it's an african american movie. It set new orleans. We're being respectful of the culture. Musk clinton's going. Like trust me. We take the seriously we went on vacation there for ten days. We did our work. We took it very seriously. Their their their classic two week vacation with a we went to africa. We went to china. We went to new orleans. Worry guys. we soaked it in their defense. Every time is trust me. We didn't take this lightly. We spent ten to fourteen days. They're never surpasses two weeks. It's always ten at the minimum fourteen at the most. But for all of that for all of that you look at this movie in there like we really wanted to be respectful to the culture of new orleans and that's why we made sure to throw that authenticity into the movie by putting in the voice cast the three most important new orleans residents. Dr john amrullah gaussian john goodman. What's the there's a. There's some connective tissue of the three new orleans residents you choose to put in the film as voice actors. What is there some dr john. John gutmann embryo legacy. I think that pretty much covers the spectrum. Did think about it that way. But it's it's a fair point it hit me. It hit me with the emerald agasi. Because i would not have recognized the voice. He plays an alligator very briefly. But i was just like. that's weird. That emeralds voice actor in this. Because he's not an actor famously. Conclusively as one season of emerald taught was about to say the man put his turn time in on network. Tv can't forget about that. He tried he tried. And we all collectively said no thank you. That's all right emerald. Thank you thank you but no thank you. I mean you could say they went bam to this movie right. They went bam despite the fact that the public had said to emerald. maybe take it down a notch. But that's the one where i was like. Why is emerald. Because they wanted real new orleans authenticity and it's top. That two white guys named john chef. You're right. I can't deny anything you just said you. You asked me right before we start recording. Do i like this movie. And i said let's say when we start recording so hello everybody this is blank check with griffin and david griffin. I'm david it's a podcast about photography's directors who have massive success early on in their career and are given a series of blank. Checks make whatever crazy passion projects they want. Sometimes those checks clear and sometimes they bounce in podcast liens and this is a mini series on the films of. Musk clements charting the disney brand since the rise the fall the rise the fall. This is a sort of an aborted rise before the the real rise takes post fall posts. Rise it's a mild rise but he's it's a mild rise. It's a half rise. It's called The puddle moore cast. We are talking about their final. Two d animated film princess. And the frog which. I do not really like interesting. Okay all right. I saw it in theaters. i was pretty non-pleased with it. I say i dislike it. But i i there are elements. I find mildly charming and there are a lot of things. I find frustrating in it and it ends up just sort of evening out to a net neutral. Because i think my take and i don't know what our guest thinks either to be honest. Is that this film is excellent but you know while i acknowledged some of the the broader almost outside of the film issues with the film if that makes sense like as a cultural statement. I don't know if this film is that is totally successful. But i liked this movie. I've watched it many times many times. Well okay it's that's hard. It's hard. I think the movie is. I feel like the movie is is good but then but then when you think about it. It's bad when i think about our. Is this what they should have done like. Probably not no. But when i'm like. I kinda wanna watch my my little frog buddies flirt and then like you know i want i really like the villain and you know. There's lots of things about this movie. I enjoy seen it several times. Right was the entire enterprise well mounted. I don't know our guest. Today has done an entire podcast episode on this movie. Before on his own podcast. Black men can't jump. In hollywood which i listened to at the time and then realize right before we started recording. I should have really listened to anticipation says of this so as to not make you repeat every point because we want to try new things but do you not even remember what you said. I have no idea what i said. I don't. I don't know if i liked it then or what i had caroline martin on. I remember listening to the episode. The time but i i certainly relate to that very hard i know have the experience. I don't know if you've had this increase our guest today. Our guest today from the black men can't jump in hollywood podcast and astronomy club all that black mirror james. The third is back on the show so glad to be back. This is so glad to have you talk about this movie in particular will be i give you. I give you a pretty long list and you said princess in the frogs. The one i want to do and i remember that you didn't episode on it but i didn't remember where you really came down on it. I was gonna say a if you have this james and in general it's just like our podcast started about the same time you guys have been doing your show for about five or six years the same with a at this point. You put a lot of thoughts down on microphone. It's hard to keep track of them and also many episodes or like this is very very strongly formed opinion on this movie on the day. I record you know like ios opinions can shift over time at least intense intensity they can shift but also you just make so many bits and you like share so many opinions and you share so many anecdotes and all this sort of stuff and then now at the point where almost like a year into doing these things like remotely in this isolated. Way in this like nebulous time where everything soup. I just no longer remember anything. I've said on the show. I don't know what i've talked about. I don't know how. I i don't know how i feel about any movie anymore. Like i don't know this is why would listen to the podcast that we put out to just remind myself. Okay i say you know helps me not repeat myself later but now there's the dual problem of one. I'm so behind on my podcast listening because of the pandemic i don't commute and so i don't listen to his podcast so i'm behind on our podcast and to some of episodes are five years old. I don't fuck it said about vanilla sky. I don't know let's do another guy episode that movies kinda. I'm the exact same position where it's like. It's not even like a self-satisfied. Like oh i want to listen to this podcast. I did but it was like listen back. Fara like let me have a slice after i close up the pizza shop every night to make sure i still not how to make pizza. You know i still got it right. Yeah okay all right. That was that was pretty good. Yeah yeah it's still good i. I don't need to retire yet. But i yes. I'm so behind on podcast. Be we record so much because we try to stay ahead so like the idea of throwing on three hours of myself talking after it's like all i do is listen to myself fucking talk. I sit alone in silence. An apartment and i record five episodes a week. I never want to hear myself on. Microphone ever again. It's it's three but yeah it's it's Yeah i thought it'd been long enough since you. You wanted to do this movie and had been long enough since you you've done on black again. Trump can't jump in hollywood. I was curious to hear your thoughts on especially within this context. I mean i definitely on this on this rewatch at some of the stuff was was similar. I was like oh. Yeah i remember loving how much it just felt like a to d disney animated movie the way it looks and the way they talk and the way just everything just had that energy and and they really especially the beginning of the movie. They're like hey remember what this feels like you know and they caress you with it and it feels good and you're like yeah. Yeah up by the stall differ. This is very is very prevalent. If you're counting tarzan. That's a musical right. They sing and that right. I barely remember it but it's been ten years. It's it's a long awaited thing right. That's still that's the weird thing. It's been ten years since there was like a classical sort of like disney fable musical in two d but it's only been five years since they've released a to d film. I mean you have tarzan's the last of that era. And then you have atlanta's treasure planet lilo and stitch brother bear home on the range which are all sort of weird emperor's new groove which are all sort of weird new experiments and expanding that ended up falling off a cliff at the end of that run and the timeline is so bizarre i was re familiarizing myself with it. It's like they stopped production on everything that wasn't too far along after treasure planet bombs. They go like brother. Bear and home on the range you get to finish your the last two through the door everything else. Just stop it in. Its place right. rapunzel was supposed to happen. The ice princess was supposed to have the snow queen or whatever which then becomes frozen like they just put the brakes on everything where we're stream a frontline chicken little and meet the robinsons and bolt right. We're going. cgi. The old disney movie style is right. That happens in two thousand and four after home on the range. They officially announced like we're closing down the studios moscow and clements are let go all the old guard. Guys are like oh then. In two thousand and five disney buys pixar places. Lots of hugging lassiter in charge of animation. And he immediately is like we're reopening hand-drawn. We're hiring everyone back. It was a span of a year. And then this is announced in two thousand six. It was a logical decision to like the decision. I mean the the the saddest period disney history is that chicken little meet the robinsons bolt. You know that that's just that's not. No one was happy with that. I know you sorta stick up for meet the robinsons. I kind of like robinson's. I remember when i first saw chicken little. I like laughed and thought it was really fun. And then i went back and watched it was like oh it was like oh it's not. It's not what i remember. It's so bizarre that movie it's a weird. I mean i do think like part of the issue is yes i i have the same like it. Activates the same sort of like buttons for me just watching a movie. This unabashedly a disney princess musical after it felt like they were taking so many half measures and being so embarrassed of after so long but there's also a degree in which it feels like. It is doing all of that stuff. A little bit too self consciously for me like it's like a cover band of itself where the movie keeps on announcing like you love this. You missed this right. And then the next year. After this tangled which i think is the best of the modern disney animated movies. The best of the last fifteen years and tangled obviously cgi but does a better job of like representing the the energy of those movies and also putting something more modern into it and then obviously after that frozen happens and just the chance of them ever making a movie. This classical again kind of goes out the window. It feels like sure once once. They nailed the the frozen tangled balance. Where it's like. Oh you're doing a disney princess musical but it's modern and it's cgi the cgi is styled to look more like disney drawings. It's not realistic. And you have the weird clothing shapes. And whatever. Then i just feel like. That's that's the exact formula that they now want to work on. I don't like that Nonsense i like. I do like tangled. I prefer this film two tangled though for tangled And i don't like tangled books Which is part of the problem. But i also don't like tangled is about pencil aiming like that. That's that's my big problem with tangle like. This is the fundamental problem which is like i. I can't with with girls in dresses in castles anymore as much as i like. You know there is a lot of fun stuff tangled. Does i really liked tangled. But i avoided i avoided frozen for a long time like i like. I didn't frozen to was coming out. And i hadn't seen the first frozen but and but i had seen the like olaf movie that they put in front of cocoa. We all saw that. But i hadn't seen frozen so. I had no understanding of. Why should hate this. Were you like this zooming guy. He's one and i was like. This is fucking incredible. I loved it. I thought it was hilarious. The only person. But i. But i get that it was like they were like. Let's tack this movie onto cocoa this case this movie bombs and like people don't wanna or people don't want to see a bunch of brown people pray for ninety minutes. Let's put but i but but me just be like all right. This isn't baby. Let's see let's see what's going on. It's so funny that that was their calculation. It was so clear that was their exact calculation of like. Okay here we have like a mexican disney movie coming out. Trump was elected. Is this not gonna work. Let's give them twenty five minutes of frozen beforehand and people reacted so negatively. They pulled the frozen show. That's astonishing that the response was that vicious like no more frozen on my screen please. I remember it being forty minutes long. Is that ron. I remember it. Being interminably insanely long. Maybe it was like it was really low forty minutes if you're including the trailer pre roll right it's gonna take you think it's twenty five because it was supposed to be a tv special and it's also just you're seeing a lot of trailers and your brain is condition to oh the shorts that play before these movies are four minutes long. Yeah yeah not not. Like has a full like several act story. This this has act breaks. I i left the theater. 'cause i knew i'd been warned like this thing is like so i laughed. I went and got snacks. Probably walked around and made some conversation. Like i just like. I have to stall as long as possible. Because i actually wanted to enjoy. Cocoa i saw coco. I think three times in theaters and the first time my caught the fucking thing and the second time that i went to see with people. I was like good news. You don't even have to show up to the theater until twenty minutes after the advertise showtime right. What times the movie at four fifty at five fifteen per wait wait. Did this animated short in front of it. Griff i think lurgan muster right. There usually did that. I don't know. I mean they start doing them more with the disney thing like oh the disney animated film should also have shorts in front of them. But i'm trying to think of what it would have been not sure if there was one. Yeah they may not have been where i'm not seeing any mentioned one griffin. I'm assuming you you said you said you saw this in theaters. You were welcomed. It sounds like i well where you pump for it where you lake. I'm so happy disease back to the princess to deeping or were you kinda like. Let's see what this is A combination. I think i did. I was not very excited for the movie itself like the materials i would see for the movie. Were not very exciting to me. But i was very excited philosophically for them doing right like i was excited for every single thing about this movie on paper and then every time i saw trailer i was like this. Just doesn't feel totally right to me. And i know a lot of the disney movies are often marketed on the most simplistic level. We talked about this but like frozen and tangled. It was largely because of the underperformance of this movie. The movies still made one hundred million domestic to fifty worldwide. But the bar for disney's obviously so goddamn high. They viewed this as an underperformance tangled was already like almost done And then you know. The the snow queen became frozen and they punted that over two. Cgi and rethought the whole thing but both of those movies were supposed to be called rapunzel and the snow queen and then they were like no cannot have any princess shit in the title. Come up with like an action word right. Put that in there and then make the trailers as much about like the funny animal sidekicks as possible like they were actively trying to hide the fact that they were musicals and that they were princess movies. Exact like tangled. You had the poster where you got a flynn with the cast iron pan and that the horse has a sword like same with frozen. Obviously being olaf heavy. They tried to emphasize comedy over. Majesty in the in the advertising yeah like and then of course post frozen. They're like bacteria. Majesty disney is the distill distillation of magic. Like where we have it again but now they can do it again like by the time you get to moana which we'll talk about next week there just like this is a disney princess musical. We're proud of it. Here's our lead character. She is the hero of the movie. Everyone enjoy and people are amt. It's a big hit and we and we brought in a major composer. Where spending them on. You know like everything. It's not just like one or two. You know because. I feel like by the end of the Disney boom disney renaissance They start to go for kaz phil collins. They start to go for pops pop singers. Elton john i guess kinda breaks their brains to. They're like right. Phil collins sting. Let's get these guys which was a mistake. Put get what they were doing with this. This one's of course. Randy newman the great randy newman. Yeah but i mean that. Ready newman was one of my issues with this movie like and it sucks to because i love reading newman one of my favorite musical of all time. Both as a soloist. His film work have no problem with ready. Newman like you know you got a friend. In the icu. That's great do indeed. Have a friend in new randy and the songs in this movie are are fun. And it's they're fun and you like go through the story but like i just want a real knowledge jazz musician to like do all of this. It's a strange decision. It's a lot of what i struggle with on this movie is is that it just feels like they're they're kind of one foot in one foot out about a lot of stuff and also over thinking a lot of calculations right because this movie was pretty much sold onto planes. Look at the progress. We're making culturally. Here is your first african american princess and also we're getting back to our roots. Were doing the thing that disney's known for were not embarrassed anymore but then yeah the randy. Newman element is so weird. Because it's like well but like are people still cynical about those songs if we bring mencken back and make it super classical. Is that too much randy. Newman does pixar movies. Which are a little more. Modern and a little more edgy. Also he's from louisiana so we can have him do the music but also. This isn't really the person you should have writing these songs. It's it's the two thousands thing of the the slightly easy. I mean every not just randomly but like the. I'm sure you read it. But the early like the character was called mad. he was was a chambermaid. Feel it felt like they made. The movie was called frog princess right. It wasn't called the princess and the frog that that title was changed because people thought it was offensive to french. People their their french speakers you know sort of i suppose if down in the by i don't know it is funny that people were like. Hey you trying to come after. The french is that. Is that what you're doing here. It just speaks to the fact that every time. They stepped out on stage. Titan like straighten their bow tie when we are proud to announce booed them like the next element is randy. Newman and people are like what i mean. Just the fact that they brought on oprah winfrey as a quote unquote technical consultant. Like what does that mean like. Wh what was that phone. Call like i know of free as a black woman from the south. But it's like are they. Can we just like bounce this story of like the weird disney lip service of the air. And it's it's a story of so many of the movies we've covered like on this on this miniseries aladdin. This is what. I'm thinking of against the other ones. Were not musk. Clements you think moulin you think pogo pocahontas where it's like. Oh sure one step forward. You want to do something different. You want to have a different kind of protagonist okay. and then. they're like anyway so. I don't know what the dragons should be called. What moo shu. Maybe like like like the just no further. And the and of course the classic two week vacation to china or africa or the lion king is another example. Where they're like. Yeah we did. We got it. We know what's going on. This movie is going to be highly culturally. Attuned but i even think like the randy newman of it all is just like a his sensibility isn't totally right for a straight sort of more earnest disney princess musical right like he. He obviously is beloved for writing the pixar songs and stuff but the pixar movies notably don't have characters singing those songs. They're not story songs. That's not really what he's good at. And his one broadway musical. He did was his biggest calamity of his entire career. He did a bizarre faust musical. That people hate that. I think is interesting. But it's like this is not. His strong suit is doing character story songs. I have to put my foot down. Randy newman is a great storyteller. Songwriter like he had just written a massive anthem about louisiana louisiana nine hundred twenty seven. That was all about katrina dominated airwaves and he's famous for storytelling. Songwriting not in the pixar movies but in his albums music. Randy newman. I never problem story wise with like like i really liked like. Are you ready. I really liked. i really liked almost. I'm almost there almost there. That's the one thing. I think's lucas. I think it's a great number. I love it visually. I think it's a great song. That's the one where it feels like. They hit the bull's eye for me. I didn't know this was going to be a contentious at each other's throats episode but this score is great. I love all the music i just. This is what i'm saying. It's like i like the music. I liked the movie. I agree that. I don't think they should have higher randy new but like any broader like this is disney making. Its first musical with a black protagonist sent. You know what i mean like. Even i enjoy the outcome. Nettling movements new orleans routes like i just wanted a black composer but yeah black composed and like absolutely and i wanted there in and i think i wanted watching it now. It's it's hard because it's it's it's i think it's me over thinking this not me actually trying to watch this kid's disney movie. But like i wanted. I wanted everything to sort of feel edgier like. I just mentioned really liking. Are you ready. But i don't like how much are you ready. Sounds like sounds like it's like trying to its hearkening back to too early disney instead of being like this song about like voodoo creatures pulling you into hell or whatever right it's technically called friends on the other side is the name of that song. Guess yeah yeah i. I just think that they can't totally decide which things they want to be. Step forwards and which things they want to be throwbacks to their history. And i if i can if i can split a hair here and i am allowed the opportunity to refine my point david. I'm a huge. Randy newman fan. I know in. Randy newman is good at story songs. But let's make it clear on his albums. Each song is one isolated story. He writes songs from the perspective of a character. And most of those songs are satirical. What i'm talking about is faust. He does not do like concept albums. Faust is one of his only works where he's building one solid now narrative around the culmination of songs building to a story. That is not what he's asked to do. The only other musical film. I think he's written was cats. Don't dance or the are fun. I'm not saying he can't do this but it is not what he does primarily. I think he can do it as evidence. The frog which i think is pretty good. How many how. Many randy newman tattoos. Do you have. I gotta say i fucking love randy. Newman i do i love. I love the guys. This is the thing i might be. Bigger randy newman fan than you are. I'm worried that this coming off. Like i'm a randy newman hater. When i'm randy newman obsessive. We've all established that we love reading. Newman things was when The the new york film critics circle gave him a special award. I guess it was last year. For like i guess it was. Marriage story was the pag. Whatever like a lifetime of film music you say. It was for marriage story. I'm pretty sure it was for. I won't let you throw yourself away. The greatest song ever written for a movie toy story. Four four ballot. It's he had also done toy story for so we were very excited because randy knew. It's like okay then. Randy newman will come to the dinner. And then like i mean. Randy newman is not a young man anymore and he you know he could not travel at whatever that month you know he was. There was something up so he couldn't come which was sad. I would have liked to have seen renew and it was still nice to award. Randy newman. obviously just this'll thought about randy. Newman we belong together on an oscar for that one. I loved hold on. There's one more that i really love like probably a couple of the race race songs. Were really fun. Yeah the ray songs are great this this bubis got a buchan. Firefly that wants to turn into a star. It's got all kinds of cool shit going on. I just wanna make this very clear. Because i feel like as you said this already. Feeling like it's shaping up to be a contentious episode and it's not that i have like a bunch of really strong anti takes on this movie. The problem is watching it just now. I felt the same way which that i felt seeing it in theaters both times really wanting to love it like as i said i was super excited by the market matures but i loved that they were doing this and You know. I the tangled and frozen market campaigns. I mentioned were after this but there was a history of disney trying to misrepresent things in order to try to make them seem broader. And i was like. Maybe i'm going to sit down. I'm going to feel that classic disney renaissance magic. And this time i went. I haven't seen this movie in eleven years. I've been watching moscow clements for the last month or two. I'm really in that head space. Maybe i'm going to rediscover it as a masterpiece and both times. I just feel kind of bored by this movie. I find this movie weirdly kind of on engaging there are things in it that i respect where i go. I like that craft. This is cool. There are things that conceptually feels off. 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This time watching this movie. I i don't think it's like it's a thing that makes story sent like. I don't think it's like this absolutely bananas thing and either movie but you do you know. It's hard not to be like what is up with that. Like you know to sort of have the eyebrow raise moment this occurred. I don't know. J james at the time. We're recording this. You guys black. Men can't jump in hollywood. Just released your soul episode guest. Which i have not listened to yet. We'll have been out for a couple of months by the time this episode. Don't wanna make you relitigate that but but it is. I was thinking about the exact same things while watching this movie in the light of. So what's your basic stance on seoul. I a liked soul and but had a problem with the especially because the story. What's actually happening story. Wise of him being in the body of the cat they could have just written something else could it could have just been something else. Felt like they needed antics right like it felt like there. Was this sort of need for like okay. We need something you know. Kids will respond to and it'll be mad cap'n fun that seemed to be didn't have the same thematic thrust. Isn't it as much an issue if twenty two ends up in the cat like isn't it still a problem. Mike so has the double swap right. That's the that's the other issue with. Soul specifically with both of these movies right watching both of them on disney plus within a span of a month right and comparing the two of them a lot. My mind as all of us are right. Now by the nature of these podcasts. We have to do a in both cases. I just hit like couldn't they just do this instead and for sold it's is there any reason sold didn't do all of me like didn't do the steve. Martin lily tomlin where they're both stuck in the one body and the complication is that he. Wow that's a that would have loved that that that hit me and i was just like that. Does that accomplishes everything. They're trying to do with having twenty to walk a day in his shoes but still give joel can control of his body and his agency and russia and the same thing with this movie. Where i'm just like it could have worked if she still a human intervene is a frog and she's trying to help him because he promises that he'll give her the money for the restaurant like this movie could still pretty much work as well if not better just on a story level right putting aside the larger sort of like perception issues of this movie. But there's this weird thing where they had optioned. This book called the frog princess. That was like a why early two thousands book that was the take on. Oh it's like a riff on the frog prince. The girl kisses the frog but rather than the frog becoming a print. She turns into a frog too. I think that was maybe option by pixar. Originally i was trying to track the trail of this but it was its own independent project. Then lassiter comes on says. We're going back to hand-drawn and his proposal was like maybe one out of every three movies will be hand-drawn but we want to be in the hand-drawn business we're still doing. Cgi we want to be doing. Classic princess musicals. We want to be doing this. And then at some point like all the things shell where they're like it's were probably overdue to do a black princess movie. We wanna do hand-drawn musical. The options exist within the disney. Pixar family for this book. And the princess and the frog or the frog prince or any of those variations of the stories are like one of the sort of classical fairy tales. That haven't been touched by disney yet. So all those things get mushed together and the problem comes from as you said david. It doesn't feel malicious or strategic. But it's like okay so you bought the rights to this book. That's kind of a clever twist. Oh no what if she turns into a frog as well and then you decide representation matters. We wanna make a movie in new orleans about southern cooking and jazz music and have an african american lead character for the first time. Let's combine the two and have her be a frog for ninety percent of the running them and no-one. No-one said that it would be that. No one had an issue. Even when they asked oprah to beat a consultant is wait. You have an issue with the fool like two thirds of movie where we don't see the black woman in do you think oprah was like way. Do you think she should be a frog for that long. And they were like oprah look we we realize this but it's too late you know. We're halfway through drawing this thing and we can't turn that boat around. We're just trying to fix things on the side. That's honestly what it feels. I mean there's that story. Dan harmon tells about being brought in to do rewrites on kung fu panda and they show him the entire movie on like right and they're like we can't change it you can only change thirty percent of it and he said what does that mean and you said you can change. Thirty percent of the story board cards entirely. You could take thirty percent them down. Replace something new or you could modify thirty percent of what is in each story. Board singular. Just stuff on the sideline isn't that isn't that knows what now. I can't remember that have done. Bits about possibly kills me to even think about we on for a did something similarly so like. The movie was almost done before they brought in kim power to corrode encode And it's like it's still. It's great that that they do stuff like this like it's like yes. get people. please get people involved. That can provide a different perspective. Like please do that but like now you can you just give them love earlier. Can you just can you at the top. Maybe they're the people who should be formulating these movies in the first place. Rather than the people you bring in as like a council at the end his is the emmy but right but like right. What's happening here instead. This last year is like i wanna take. You guys took these movies off life support. I'm trying to just bring them back in any way clements moscow. Obviously you know the old legends who you know started the renaissance like. Let's bring them in. And then you have rob edwards. Who worked with him on treasure planet on their last movie co writing with them so you know but guess i mean every world in cinema seem so cloistered animation seems so cloistered right like the fact that picks are just now is putting out shorts. Like bow. Right where it's like. Oh look like a person of color worked on this one really. They did their first queer short ever on their starting to write and now the bow directors making her own movie. But but yes. It's taken so fucking long james. I'm curious because it sounds like you've read a lot of the same like crafting of soul interviews and pieces. Because i like after watching. It was like. I really want to try to figure out the station of this movie. How this came to this shape. And i just keep on sort of digging into to try to figure out some the story decisions because seoul is a movie and mwana is like this for me to where i'm like i love this. I find this very watchable if engage with it. I find a lot of things problematic in it but the movie as a piece i find very functional and effective and then i have these large kind of issues with them. This movie for me i. It does not. Grab me as much to distract me from the issues. That i find but i found some camp powers interview recently where he directly said and i think part of like the weird soup of is that it's a doctor created thing. Obviously he's the one bringing it to life. It originally was supposed to be. The joe gardner character was supposed to be an animator and he was an actor. They landed on music late then. It became jazz because it felt like. That's the form that's maybe the easiest represent like this sort of like spiritual ether of what we're trying to do the sort of jazzing that the whole movie ends up being about and and then kemp is brought on after they've realized oh this character should be black if the movie's about a jazz musician in new york city. They came to that last. They had jazz musician before they were like. Oh gee plaka right. So that's the chain of things they were like actors to self involved. Animation is too insular because that's our experience. He should be an artist a certain point. He was a scientist like they were like. But it's better if it's art because it's just like your life's passion like it should be a jazz musician. Is dr john. Still the last step is i. Guess this guy shouldn't be white. Then they bring empowers on. But that also coincides with lassiter being outsted and p doctor being placed in charge of pixar and so i think powers has a lot more authorship over that movie than a lot of co directors co writers brought on late in these films. Because i think dr started having a fulltime job and it feels like powers. Maybe kind of was run quarterback on the last year of that movie. But i read an interview with him where he was addressing. The complaint of people being like why is fucking spies in disguise. He's a pigeon the whole time. Why is princess and the frog frog time. Why is this got spies and is fully forgot right right like why are there three of these and he said like well you have to understand it. All kind of happened organically. All this story development was done before. I came on board this and that piecemeal when i came immediately sort of like pulled the fire alarm saying like this. We have to be very careful that we're doing here. The optics of not having them in his own body aren't great and he was the one who is like i want him to be the cat's body that was a thing so that way he could be around the whole movie right. This thing that he revealed this interview was twenty. Two was supposed to be the lead of the movie until like a year ago. The entire film was designed from tiny perspective. That's like a crazy crazy thing. It feels like the movie was designed to open in the great beyond focus on twenty two. And you don't even really deal with joe until she ends up in that body. Yeah yeah so. But that's interesting though to even thinking even thinking about like then it's like it becomes even more confusing if like it was originally supposed to be about twenty two been like then like why folks. I have so many more questions. Why focus so much on. Joe like what like like why not. Why not. just start because one of my issues with with seoul was like i would have liked to have been in the land of the dead more or in the great before and like spent more time with that pixar does has so much fun with with their new worlds and stuff but they were kinda like the kinda. Did the like bullet points of like this. Is the land. This is the great before we back. On which i agree with one hundred percent and that only makes sense when you realize. That's what the movie was supposed to be and then powers came in and like you're playing with some volatile elements here and reconfigure. What you have on the board you have not thought about the larger takeaway points being made by this movie right. I also think. I don't know like doctor had literally made his feelings blobs movie. It feels weird that he was like. What if it's about souls and i'm like is that different from feeling how how is putting all your credit. This is gonna take you years to make like it feels too close like especially since the you know the threads running through all the movies he's made but like monsters inc to up to inside out. It's not like it's like oh you're just repeating yourself. You know what i mean like. So it's weird. I don't know i. I'd like to see soul again but i thought it was. You know i thought it was good. Yeah i like it a lot. I've seen it twice now. But i have these fundamental issues with when when got announce i remember talking with you about a david and it was like oh the first time they were announcing a couple original movies it had been so many sequels in a row and then they announced like onward and seoul. Whatever was three or four years ago that those movies are eventually coming. And they're the animated originals at the end of this sequel pipeline and you like that's encouraging that they're announcing new movies right. An i the biggest pixar fan the world. Remember saying to you like it feels a little bit like self parody for dr to make a movie about seoul's called soul. It's the steve jobs. Zina's you know their whole silicon valley where you know it's like he comes out. He's in his half zip and he's like you know we just got to thinking like where kosovo come from and who new you to show us the world of souls like almost verbatim the exact log line when the film was announced a film that asked the question is a soul what is the sole personalities. Come from and then princess and the frog is kind of like the exact opposite where it's just like a lot of elements right. There are a lot of elements that you can understand them getting excited about and going like. Let's put them all together in this box without necessarily a larger overarching idea or vision. And it's you know. Clients are like the old masters at this point within the system. Last hires than back is like. We're starting hand-drawn if someone's gonna make a hand-drawn movie it should be these two guys but to your point if this is the store year landing on and maybe it shouldn't these two guys whereas i with that i agree i and again i will watch soul again in a year or two. Maybe we do doctor one day. It's more movies like he's one of the most prominent pixar oaters right obviously But i agree with everything being said. And i preferred onward which have a hot take but i like onward a lot and i think onward is underrated. I agree with that james. This opens up a question. I realized we should throw to you. In general what is your sort of general relationship to disney movies and especially this sort of disney restaurants era where all roughly the same age. I feel like we've we've had guests on for this mini series that are all roughly our age and it is hard to like extricate. Our generation from these movies represented at different points in time. Yeah i started. Not really i grew. I grew up with like the disney. Vhs we had had a ton of we had like peter pan and aladdin and you need the beasts and like we have all of those movies at at at home and then like i like princeton the frog opposite I did not see until way later and got got into pixar. but they're in the disney pixar regime. But like there's a handful of like of of like big ones that i just. I haven't seen like mike. You like seeing this and it'd be like knobs but like finding nemo and like i didn't even on like monsters inc are like by jam. I forgotten less than perfect movies. Yeah i also. You were slightly more of a nickelodeon kit where you not. I know you a big nick it. Yeah yeah. I was a big big big nickelodeon kid. I didn't have like disney channels. Like i wasn't i didn't like super by the disney. I went to disney world though and and land as a kid and loved both like like still like wide eyed kid at inexperienced both of those places in love that we were talking about this on some episode. we recorded recently. Maybe there's our returned shofar episode. But that i. My family had disney channel in those early days. I mean obviously wasn't the beginning but but before they became basic cable when they were still pay cable and it was seen as like a forbidden fruit thing. And i remember being so excited with my dad was like we have added the disney channel to the cable. Bill and i watched it all the time but they had so little disney on the disney channel at that point in time the disney channel at that point was such a weird channel. Because they still. We're like we could make more money licensing these things out channels that more people watch. I only memory of early disney. Because i know we until it was like a part of most cable packages. I never had it. But like i remember like i feel like goof. Troop was like not on disney channel. That was like on. Mike fox stuff right. That was the thing like all those shows would be on like abc cbs fox and then they would rerun on disney channel or like the one that had gotten cancelled. Two years earlier was still in rotation on disney channel. Like those early nineties cartoons would still plant disney channel. But i think it's like ninety seven is when disney chow becomes part of basic cable. Bundle and they start doing. The original movies and disney channel becomes what people think of as disney channel whole generation. That i missed out. Like he's like you know if they're people five years younger than me. Who are like. Oh my god. My favorite is e channel. Original movie is like you know sierra in paris way. That sounds like netflix. But you know what. I mean like where it's just like. You're just like wait. What is i've never heard of that. And they're like it was on disney. My wife loves bring. Yes yes exactly a great example crate example. Right right like i'm. I'm a couple of years younger than you guys. I don't know if your wife. And i are the same age. But i think that's literally the difference of like brink was like the second or third disney channel original movie. Like i was still in at that point. You know for the first couple of but does it shall now represent something entirely different and at the time that we are growing up. Nickelodeon had sasha clear brand identity. There was such a thing to get into and it's not just their programming but there was the whole sort of philosophical thing of like. Fuck you parents get out of here. I'm playing with boogers. I have taken over the programming's yes. Yes slime man. Come on watch documentary about early nickelodeon and that literally was that they were like everyone sat in room and they were like yeah. We wanna say fuck you to the parents right. And i would say i would argue that. Nikola has lost that that edge now like they're not quite as like fuck you parents not used to be but that was a. That was a great. They used to be and tepa. They used to be anti parents but it did feel like it was like it was organized and that kind of way like every commercial and nickelodeon was like while they're out of the room we must plan you can trust. No adults put shaving cream in their slippers. Tell go suck lemon. Parents fucking suck even just remember. How agro the nickelodeon magazine commercials were about. How you just had to pester your parents to get you a nickelodeon magazine subscription until they broke down. Psychologically advanced interrogation techniques right. There was the commercials right where it's like. Yeah listen up. Here's the strategy. Here's how you put your parents minded a box basically and then you take. They're not the boss of you're the boss. You you rule everything. Your dad is a fucking bug you can own him. Listen to me. I am your god. I am jack in the seventies. It's like kids don't exist. We have no idea what those are. We don't make programming for them in the eighties. It's like kids by toys. The programming should just be toys moving around and then kids will want by the by the ninety s. They're like kids are basically have credit cards that we need to treat them as an entirely independent demographic and this is also it's a political movement. Now this is an ideological stance and in contrast to that disney is just like it feels like movies made by parents who are like. Come on trust us. I know where parents but the movie is going to be fun. Yeah right does he was never gonna be cool. It's never gonna be cool. Disney is not cool if anything disney is the coolest it is now in that weird creepy way where it's become a lifestyle for people. It's a little too much to handle be disney will never be cool cool. It's not now they also. This is the disney channel shifts. I think that really takes hold in the early. two thousands. Were they start like engaging with a teen sexuality they start being like. We're gonna make things about like kids dating each other and crushes and singing to each other and we're going to create like teen idols. Which was a thing they had not done. Since the mickey mouse club lizzy mcguire sort of. She's the dawn of a new era. Disney yeah because she's right she's like is she. she's like a teenager she's young teenager but still right. It's it's whereas like in the nineties. Few wanted that you had to be on nickelodeon you had to be watching larison and what you know that stuff. But but i mean to the point of what you were saying earlier james. It is funny that like. I mean watching it now i get it because now we've gone longer without a movie like this like now. It's actually been eleven years since they've taken a stab making this kind of film. I think the only other major hand-drawn movie they did after this was the winnie the pooh movie. Which quietly slaps is so fucking good hence. But i remember being like all every movie that i feel like when this movie came out and when when princeton came out. It was like we haven't done this. This is gonna. This is gonna get you in the fields of your memory. Like and i and i didn't see it because of the fanfare like it was so like winnie the pooh back. You guys and i was like i also have not seen it. It's so good but it also felt like their whole market campaign was like you were saying like guys. This movie is so short and inconsequential. It's the kind of use to make like don't even need to come because it's so charming that film but it also is designed to be a non-event it's sixty two minutes inches got three loosely connected episodes like it's just good. It's funny it's got good gags and shit but Yeah it was designed to be a minor film whereas this movie was all about like this is important. We need this as a culture. We have to bring this back and it does get to you. it is. We're the movie starts and like what you were saying episode james. You watch it. You're like fuck. It didn't realize i miss this. Yeah i at like there's something about the diction like the diction of the voice actors and you're just like that sounds. I don't hear that sound in anything else. And i'm like i hear it in this. The way that they move like the way that she cuts the ribbon in the beginning is like such a depressing me. I'm not looking at the rim. But i'm cutting it like it so it's so potatoes. Yeah everything about everything about. It just is like trying to be like it feels like this movie in particular is like we should have had a black princess earlier. So we're going to make it feel as this was actually just in the archives. This whole time like that's the thing that kind of rubs me the wrong way about it. Is this feeling of we know and we also think we should have done it earlier like that the movie is saying honestly i agree with you when they cut to when they cut through the southern belle as a kid yes i see her fully dolled up in like all excited like the stories about her like they're like wasn't this dumb that we did this for so long. Look see. we're making fun of it. Now that's the character that feels so disney to me like whatever it is like the third shot of the entire movie You see the like cityscape. Or whatever and then when they go inside to them hearing the story and it's tiana and the befu girl or whatever. Her name is host like leaning forward on their hands like rapt attention. Her name is lottie. What's her last name. Boof isn't it labou. big daddy. Labou is her daddy but just the way they animate these two little girls in princess dresses leaning forward listening to a fairytale. I was like this is just the most disney animation shit of all times in a way that like hits me. I'm like yeah. I'm ready for this. I mean griffin. I'm i've been looking at the best animated feature nominees post you know of this last decade for like how many american two d films have even been made like period. Not disney anywhere is the only one i can see is claus claus right. I could tell you some that. Haven't been nominated but they're mostly like seriously like genuinely things like you know the the two. Spongebob movies i mean. They're almost entirely tv. Show adaptations the my little pony movie. It's like shit like that right. It's just tv continuations in terms of original. I don't think they're really any certainly going. Theatrical because clause i love but went to netflix. That's at least a feature right but like you know you see in these ten last ten years. there's like stuff like the illusionist. You know european stuff. There's obviously miyazaki occupied. Gp movies like there's things like you know it's not like it's a dead dead dead medium but it's just not coming from america right obvious and there's the the great cartoon saloon stuff right song of the sea. Yeah all that stuff wolf walker. This year you know they. It always feels like you expect that every year. It's gonna be like two to three. Cgi movies maybe one stop motion film and then one film that has to function as both the representative for overseas animation and for hand-drawn right exactly and otherwise a studio is making a big theatrically released To d film in the states. It's almost always because that's the style of the tv show that it's based on. Just a bit of a bummer. Just in general. It's this is kind of the last one like and maybe it's the last one forever. Although i do feel like hollywood everything new oldest new like you know. I'm sure someone will come along and be like well. Don't we miss that like let's do that. Surely that will happen again at some point right and you'll hit kids. Kids will be like never seen anything like this. Yes right. I mean it's big. It's on the it feels like that sort of. Maybe what netflix is trying to do. I mean clause. They did not develop they acquired while it was in development but it was not something Burst by them or at least It wasn't there genesis But that movie. I think is really good and and and uses cgi to augment the two d. in a really interesting smart way that gives us its own unique. Look but it is fundamentally a to d film movies like english spanish right. It was directed by spanish size so even is not entirely american either but then they did that one this year or last year over the moon that glen keane directed who's like legendary disney animator. A chinese fable that was co produced by them in pearl studios which used to be dreamworks china but then dreamworks sold it off into its own company and that was sort of created by that flicks in house. I mean they develop that from the beginning and glen keane was a big higher. They took away from disney. To say you should be helping. Run ar animation department and it feels like they've been making a lot of announcements. They've been making a lot of big hires. There's a lot of things. They haven't announced in terms of specific projects. But it feels to me like netflix. Strategically is maybe trying to exploit that. Gap that hole in the culture. Yeah it just in general. Also there's an animation. You can make more animation. It's very popular in general by cam. Three d. tutti whatever right but as you as we sort of said for context we should get into the movie itself honestly but know lassiter brings them in Apparently new orleans is his favorite city. Did you know this. This is part of the heighten. But it's it's it's frustratingly on brand it. He loves to party right. New orleans is a favorite city in the same way that hawaiian shirt. You know. it's like i get it. I understand what you like about this city. John oprah winfrey of course hired as technical consultant as you said based on both the frog princess cl- prog print story. But also this like why book from the early two thousands. That i think you're right. Pixar have been working something they don't even i mean i. They bought the rights. She got paid. I don't even think there's any sort of proper story credit for the movie. It's like she got paid a lot of money for them to use nothing other than the hook of the girl becomes a frog to yeah. I don't know wikipedia. But yeah i don't remember seeing it like in the credits now thing like that now and it's got a ekonomi rose. She's she had just done dreamgirls. She's obviously like a big broadway figure. This is actually a good point. james you were saying how different the voice acting is in this movie. This is damn consciously sort of like running back. The dial two what disney was doing in the nineties of mostly cast broadway actors. Right not not big celebs. Yeah right cast broadway. Actors cast veteran voice actors. And maybe a couple of character actors with interesting voices right. But it's like your leads are pretty much broadway actors. Then you have like jim. Cummings and kevin michael richardson who were just animation. Vets playing the key supporting parts. And then it's like. Oh you'll sprinkle in like keith. David and john goodman right and like oprah a place that is the mom. Yeah right keith. David's voice legend zone right. of course he's i'd say goodman. I mean right. A lot of the people in movie who are also live action. Actors are either primarily broadway performers or have done so much animation that qualifies as an entire second career for them absolutely. Yeah i didn't even hate terrence howard being like you know all smooth and whatever. It was like yeah cool. Her dad's this is fine. It's also good casting like he's got a fucking good voice is only going to be in the movie for five minutes like bacon. Stick out in our minds. jenifer lewis. Obviously who is another broadway legend. You know been in everything and is giving a performance though. Yeah i i enjoy it comes to performance. I looked i looked up the cast before i started watching the movie i started watching the movie. And then when mama odie came on screen i went. Who is playing this. Even though i had just looked up i went. This can't be jenifer. Lewis and guys. Actually if i can share a lateral here much like i was astounded by the revelation that this was in fact jennifer lewis. Playing mama odie sometimes. I can't believe what is on my feet i go. I think. 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Her best friend is a local rich girl and she wants to own a business as her dad wanted to do. And he's dead. That's the that's the that's where we're starting griffin. Yeah i like her a lot as a character most engaged in this movie for the first whatever it is fifteen twenty minutes when she's like doing the waitressing she's like juggling all the the dishes around and all that. Yeah yeah it is like you talk about this movie trying to get back to like The way the disney movies used to feel. I was thinking while watching this. It's like you know the princess movies. The musicals the fairy tales. They are usually period pieces set in a very specific culture or a fictionalized version of culture. Working off a tale that we've all heard thousand times putting some specific job into right. The contemporary disney animated films. And i know this movie is set in the early nineteen hundreds but in the span of disney films. I think anything that's in the twentieth century counters contemporary. Certainly yes. The temporary disney animated movies are almost all the animal movies right like the ones that are more modern our lady and the tramp hundred one dollars nations and rescuers those are the ones that take place in like a modern civilization and they're talking animals who see the world differently because they're not really in the world of men and this movie is weirdly. It's like it's bizarre. You're like oh. This is odd to hear a randy newman score which feels more modern to see tian existing a modern city to be like trying to build up money to buy a business and not be concerned with the decrees of the king and shit. And you're like this feels like something new. This is them taking a step forward and then it just slips kinda into animal movie and i immediately. There's just a deflation for me. Once they become like frogs on a river. James what do you think part of it is. I really like frocks. Progress is my favorite animal. Interesting to eat. i do like to eat a frog. I will say that. I love dogs too. I've never eaten fraud. But i left frogs as well i i. I'm with griffin in that. It does deflate for me. The second she becomes a frog to like. And i and i feel like i did this the first time i watched it. Which was i always check the time to see. Like how long has it been. And i was deceived this time because i got so wrapped up in in in her being like hurt what she was going through before she turns into a problem. I don't remember it being this long and it's not long it's just under. It's less than thirty minutes before she turns into a frog. It's like twenty nine fifty or something. I think is the exact moment when she when she shifts into a into a frog in. I don't know it just feels like it's like even happening now that she's a like it's now just all she wants to do is like not be a frog so that she can know we're gonna see them fall in love over the course of an hour like yeah right what. She's a frog that conflict becomes. Can i get back to the movie. I was doing beforehand and the problem is it's an audience. You're like yeah. I prefer that movie to. Here's the thing. I agree that the central metaphor of their frog hood is not really clear for him. I guess it's a little more like he needs to be humbled. He's a you know jerky rich kid right like i get his part a little bit more but she's just kind of like i don't want to be a frog like we let let me get out of this right. Now i enjoy journeying through the swamps and meeting firefly's and crocodiles and all that just fine. I don't mind the the change in millia. But i don't like if you're thinking of the classic disney transformation movies right like a little mermaid or even what else what else we got. Come on yeah. The there's like a few words the bees like you know there's a huge lesson that has to be learned. I guess what does she have to figure out this. This is my single biggest problem with the movie. These are the two biggest failings okay and they become pretty fatal flaws one. I do not at any point by that. There is a lesson that tian needs to learn and that she learns it. I don't think this ever convinces me that. She has a character flaw. That needs to be resolved. That somehow happens through her experience being a fraud. I think she's a pretty fucking good. Well adjusted person. I like her. she's responsible she's got good priorities and they should. They should themselves in the foot too because like it could be that she could she could like not have such a strong reliance on the fairy tales in the matt and the magic in the mrs labatt like but like but in the beginning there like you can't just wish on a star. You have to have a hard work and she immediately takes that in it. It's just like okay. I don't believe in the mythology of these stories. I'm gonna. I'm gonna make my own way. And then she suddenly gets thrusted into one and it's like none of the none of the magic works still but like she has no reason to think that it would look. There's nothing there and at that point it doesn't feel like learning a lesson. Feels like this is just being cruel to her. You fucking you knocked this fairy tales out of her brain and told her to fuck and grow up and care about the real world and the second she got her shit together they're like never mind. Jinx ferried. Yes that is. That's arc. the arc is that she needs to not just worry about you know being this great success in fulfilling his dream that she's had with her father and her right leg. It's like no like you should make time for fun and for silliness and for kissing frogs and like living your life beyond your career and it took a frog to do after that was the only way she was ever gonna learn. Sold does a much better job of that exact same story idea. Oh the guy follows his passion to the of everything else in his life. he needs to slow down. You put no one kisses in so there's no kissing. There's no romance between cute. Little cartoon fraud by. David likes this movie david. I like this movie because it has two little frogs that need to fall in love their little frog guys. I like frogs. Okay and i like kissing can figure it out. Can i start my second. Fatal flaw this movie yes. I don't buy the tian has a lesson. She needs to learn that she learns. It is a and b. I don't buy that she ever falls in love with navene knows. Princeton of male tonia griffin. Mel dhoti i agree because like she even as the movies going on she liked win win win. She learns that she wants to marry him and she's like she wants to marry her. He wants to marry her and she goes. Oh my god thank goodness. You're like what happened. When did this happen. You fall in love with him. I didn't see it it at all and this is another staple of these types of movies. Right where you have like the guy who's either so brutish and rude like shrek or beast or the guy who's so vain and caught up in his own stuff and it's only through them being stuck together on an adventure together that she finally breaks through and sees the real him right. Same with tangled to self coming later. Yeah absolutely no rea- right. It's all an act. You know it's defensive thing you find out who they really are zootopia disney film. Obviously the although a movie that i appreciate for being a romantic but there buddy do. I was very much based on that dynamic. Yes right like he you know. She's he's the charming rogue she's the straight arrow each other's walls down yada yada yada. I agree to james. I had that exact same moment when she goes. Oh thank god. He does love me. I went where did the scene go. We're she starts liking him. I guess one of those scenes was supposed to represent that but but it just doesn't feel like they really sell that to me. Yeah and and part of the problem is the frog faces. Aren't super expressive. Because i do feel like there's that moment when he's like i love how excited you are about your dream and and we do we get to two looks from tiana as a frog and one of them is like what are you love and then the other one is in any when he says your dream but but we know that he's like covering up it does not read like doesn't read that it's something more than that and it's because the I think the frog faces are just a little to bear down a little bit not as expressive as they could be. And you know like the frog face james. I fully agree. I we've gone to the central conflict of this episode. We've identified it. This is a movie about kissing frogs. And david is always going to be in the tank for that. You and i are less nataly drawn to frogs james david. Here's here's my larger point. Here's my larger point beyond this movie now. Tangled has a romance. I think the romance is the least interesting part of my favorite part. But i think it's fine. It's fine. I don't like flynn rider very i like him i think he's the only zachary levi performance. I like go on. No you like zam now. You have to admit it you like it. Yeah come on sam's pretty great okay. I love him i. It is almost a testament to shas. Am i think he's doing the bare minimum to make that movie work in the everything else in. The movie is firing on all cylinders but post tangled in bit Disney is now is just resistant to roman. Yeah it's I think it's partly borne out of the fact that the disney princess story arc is very regressive and the old you know narrative trope of like you need to find your prince charming and at the end. You're going to get married. Something they wanted to leave behind or he needs to find you. You need to sit around and wait for him to find it. Yeah you know and like your reward. Is this like i understand that. They wanted to dispense with that so even when they bring back the princess stories. With frozen dave consciously avoid romance got on and kristoff mucking up a little bit like the whole point of frozen. That is it's about the sisters their connection. And that's what saves the day at the end right and zootopia like you say like it's got that like you know moonlighting sitcom energy. But it's not a romance mwana doesn't have room so pointedly a romantic. The ralph movies lack romance of frozen to finally lets on christoph kiss you know. Thank god but doesn't look like ryan. The last dragon is going to have a room. It's like i don't object to this entirely. I just think like give me a little. You know once in a while you'll come on. I i miss it. It's been so long since we've had kissing and disney movies. I mean it's really cute that he makes. He misses a dinner for her. You know that's i loved that. I thought that was really cute. That's that's the closest they come to having like chemistry and frog form. I feel like in terms of setting that up. But i still think it's missing a beat europe because even in that scene. It's like yeah. Good he tried to do a thing like it's it's not that she didn't need anything from him. No no which is which is the other reason. I think the movie probably works better if she stays a human the whole time like the somehow. I think the story because the movie at the end tries to get back to this idea of like well. My father wasn't didn't have everything he wanted but he had everything he needed read. She has this realization that the love in the family is the thing that matters most of all and her father was rich in love or whatever which is does not seem to be that woven into the rest of the film right but but also it's like she's stuck with navene because they're both in the shitty situation together whereas if it had been a little more of zootopia thing where it's like look i don't like you but you're telling me if i can figure out how to make you human again you'll give me the money for our my restaurants. Okay we're uneasy allies you know Versus they're just united because they're both fucked. I think they can't have one of them. Be a frog and the other one not be a because then she'd be falling in love with frog as a human and maybe disney was just like i do that. Yeah but the beauty and the beast. We can do it again. We could do was going to say yes. Yeah and also it's it's just once again it's like navene turn to a frog because he goes to fucking faciliate who tricks him. But also because he's like fucking flighty and like looking for easy life hacks his just reward. Yes right exactly. Ti has done nothing wrong. Well that's fine. I think another reason i like. This movie is that. I am someone who often as griffin can attest encourages people to set things aside in the name of romance a little bit right like. Come on. Throw caution to the wind right like. I'm a little bit like that right. Yeah kiss and just we were talking about the movie but like as you said right princeton evine the the penniless but handsome prince gets turned into a frog by showman. Cecelia played by. Keep david okay. He runs into tiana. She's dressed like a princess for a costume party She kisses him turns into a frog. Now they're both frocks. Now they gotta go in the by you and figure out their situation and they meet as we mentioned mama odie played by jennifer lewis a two hundred year old voodoo priestess who is essentially the movies like fairy godmother right. She's the one they're going to her they're like can you help us out of this situation. She's the she's also like yoda. She's a little yoda e sure. Right and that she's small and old and wiley right. Yes and dancing around and cooking things and yes. The place was. Snakes has a staff right. Doesn't seem she first walks out. She's hidden things with stacks and it's basically her. She is me in that. These two people come to her door and they're like we don't know what the fuck to do. We're hanging out all the time it's a we're making each other crazy. We wanna be rid of this situation. And she's like yeah. Well you know you know what you need to do right. And they're like yes. What we need to do is be rid of the situation and go back to doing the normal things that we were doing and she's like you don't get it at all. What you need to do is kiss. That's what you need to do. They don't get that they'll figure it out. It was really funny when when the song ended and they asked like do you did you get it. And she and she says like oh. I have to raise the by whatever. The thing is an then raised like okay. We got this. What i that kind of joke. It's me every bridge. Get the trombone. Let's do it again. Like i love that. The one i was thinking. That's my favorite version of that. Joke is a mop treasure island where they do the cabin fever number and then it cuts down to like the barracks where the few pirates being kept and they were like what's going up like. Oh you miss a whole musical number and then they start telling them it's like singing. Yes that joke always gets me when a musical number ends and the characters go. That was a good musical number. I still wanna be singing. So this is a movie where everyone is in some kind of debt. Right like navene. He has no money. His parents kicked him out. 'cause he's such a scoundrel tian is trying to raise money for her thing. Dr faciliate literally does like eight magic debt. to do. god's that's why he's like he's doing the thing he's doing like you just you just gotta kiss and you're going to figure it out together like in numbers people like this. It's it's a beautiful thing. Princess and the frog i always. Do you like this movie more than i did. I didn't realize this movie was the purest distillation of your heart song. I just really like. Yeah that's like. I just love the message of that scene where she's like. Don't you realize you're in a disney movie. That's what you're doing right now. You gotta you should get together and tian is like if i take out a bridge loan. I heard bank of america interest rate. You know what i mean like. She's also sure. I just don't think look i think they avoided it because it felt like oh like cliche wrote to do all the story blocks and also they want to not shame her for being an independent strong-minded business oriented woman. But i think that's part of the conundrum. This movie gets itself into where it's like. They wanna be supportive of her dreams and her progress and the way. She's built her life at the beginning but then they're also trying to argue that there's something lacking from her life. You don't need a man but you need a man grow like because there's nothing. There's no moment in the first thirty minutes where you get the cliche. Like she goes home and then she's just lonely. The kansas of soup alone right exactly right. There's no sign of her rejecting a bunch of boys who like her a lot. You know it's just like i don't know she seems pretty g- okay. She's pretty good. This is the whole problem. This is the needle. They can't thread where they're like. Well what can we do. A romance without feeling didactic. Feels like they're like i guess not. Let's not do it. And i love moana. We're gonna talk about moana. But i do think marijuana slightly struggles from her being a little too together when the movie starts like that's sort of my problem with the two thousand ten disney thing. These characters are two together. We'll get i mean i have my home alana. Take on that but we'll get to it. Yes enough frozen Is the one that figures that out the best. I just my problem with frozen is how it looks. I don't how it looks like i know. I don't mind the the whole sort of narrative. Arc of elsa like i dig that by and large the tangled tangled frozen thing. I like as i feel like they have figured out how to replicate the disney art style in three dimensions. Even if you prefer at hand ron it. It's got the right shapes. It's got the right stylings. It's got the right lines. It's got the right movements. Tangled is better to me. Because i like the colors more the in in frozen there so if i drop them they just shatters. How delicate heo doll like. Yeah but that's the problem when they're in three dimensions they all look like like really spoke. Porcelain dolls you become very aware of the physics of that head is huge and that waste is tiny you know. And those risks are like toothpicks. Did think i was gonna say. I tangled as the one that solves that problem the best. I think i agree that the romance is not my favorite aspect of it. But i think it does it well enough at least goes through the motions but i also think tangled has the right balance of kind of cheese. Thinks she's independent strong minded woman. Who knows what to do but also she's lived in a tower her entire life. She doesn't understand how anything works. So i feel like the movie. Lets her feel confident about herself. While also creating comedy out of the fact that her misunderstanding of the world around her is sometimes she thinks things are more dangerous than they are and sometimes she doesn't recognize the danger and there's a lot of versatility and how she can behave this movie just as you said backs himself into a corner where they don't want shame anything about hannah's life before she turns into a frog and then once she's a fraud they have to argue. Suddenly that she was missing something early. It's the moana problem. I just mentioned. It's the same thing with. They're just like they built up so much which is good in that. She's this pretty lovable interesting and put together character from minute one but then it's like right. Well then what do we do with this like. We're not going to do a movie about someone opening a business like come on. You know like you said. They backed themselves into a corner. Remind me we'll come back to that the end of the episode. Let's let's talk about some of the supporting characters. Let's talk about louis ray and faciliate 'cause they're like they're the color in this movie. I love all of these games. I left them so i. I watched their songs a lot like on youtube. Or whatever like they're the. I go to their song. It is funny. That ray probably sings more in this movie than tian at us. Yeah there was a point where. I don't think i realized that. On my i watch but there was a point this time where i was like racing again again. Couldn't it's another race so low. He's got a good arc. We had a minute has passed and he's singing again. Raise to i want songs been bent bent. You haven't really weighed in ben. What's your take on princess and the frog talk just raised the character. That feels very ben friendly. Might you've been hyping. Ray up to ben for the last two months same gonna like this guy and i did. I loved her. Yeah i think ray is like my kind of guy he stuck out. But i just washes mood for the first time and it just was like what is happening. She's a fraud and a lot of different ways. Just like this is wild lot of lights. Yeah lot of stuff just like a alligator that plays trumpet but that talks to humans. My favorite good character all about him. He's a great character. It's so like and then but then the payoff magin going to a restaurant alligators playing trumpet. While you're in dinner only baby could you imagine. Oh my god see like fool things like that are really cool but overall i was very perplexed. I think lewis so funny. I think Why not forgetting his name now. Eric goldberg who was the main animator on. Genie is the one who was the main animator on louis. And he's got the like all the fun disney comedy character. Energy the physicality voice performance. Yeah and i just love his his fucking conflict of just all he wants to do is play jazz for humans and he say terrifying alligator. I had this image stuck in my head for the first time. I saw this movie. Which i think was a few years ago but But when he played when he plays on the the the boat and then jumps off all of the rifles come. That's so crazy so many rifle is so funny. I reminded i remember being so underwhelmed by this movie in theaters and just slowed in when that happened like i was like i do remember the last time i laughed that hard at anything. The entire setup and timing of that is so exquisite of just all. Why don't you do it. I tried once. Didn't work out. Well you're not expecting cut to write. That is not in the common vernacular of these movies. It's so un disneywor- it's cool. Have you ever tried it. And you're like we're going to move on your. I assume we're just about and he's like well and you're like we weren't doing a family guy style cut away and then it works and then it has. It would be funny if he just jumped on the boat. Play the trumpet and they then jumped off like that would be funny. It would not be seismic would be would be hilarious. It was that same lockdown shot. Everyone's playing on the boat. He climbs over the side. Looking sneak proudly starts playing the trumpet. Everyone looks at him aghast. That would be funny right. It's timing it's the rhythm of it. Yeah it's the timing. It's the fact that he's like. I know they won't like the democrat kc but surely once i start playing this trumpet he can win them over and the fact that they don't immediately like run off and revulsion that they're just stunned silent watching him but then once he jumps back into the water and the guns come out it becomes hold on. Wouldn't you crippen. Yes what didn't you. Yes you'd stop for one minute. At least yes i would. I'm not on that question am saying it's funny and i like yeah. Everyone on the boat had a rifle and people on other levels had like he wasn't even on those summer levels. Why did someone on every level come out and try to shoot. They're ringing the crock bell. Everyone please get your guns out. Just the deeper thing where it's like. He's a crocodile. Who loves jasmine like. Well how do you know about jazz. Like and he's like well the riverboats. He's an alligator. I'm sorry. I always ask her. The river roads are always going by and all the legends of played on that. And here that i'm like. Yeah that makes sense. I love that. That's great that makes total sense. I also i love that. Conflict is so specifically. I want to be able to play for humans like these. These creatures in the swamp don't appreciate my music. I know that's the audience that would get my skill. And they are scared for their life when they see me can i. I'm sorry i'm so sorry to disrupt the flow of conversation here David ben james. I'm to kindly request that you all Shut up right now. I need complete silence for the thought. I'm about to share in real time. 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I forgot that he actually dies. They prove him correct that he gets to be with his love in the night sky forever you assume because he'd sort of dies because when faciliate steps on him. You don't see it happen that we'll okay. He'll he won't be dead. He'll come back to life right. It's really upsetting that. It happens and it happens in that way because to be stepped on his so graphic like we see him get stepped on real bad and this is a movie where several frogs have gotten like smacked with books and the backup widely with a bug get stepped on so it's the way he does it casually and then he's just like okay. You know then moves on as well. It's so cruel. I love it i mean and then yeah go ahead. No no where you say. Well i was gonna move onto facilities so if you have more ray talk. Let's talk. he's voiced by jim. Cummings jim cummings whose winnie the. Pooh is a thousand dark wing. Doc a million billion different characters. Ed in the hyenas sighing king. You know he's like he's often. You're funny guy. I feel like right like you can give you weird. Weird noises yeah Yeah but yeah dr faciliate. The shadow man. I mean it just from from an acting standpoint. keith. David's the mvp of this movie right so dial tim such a good singer. Character is frightening. Awesome like is just all keep the has to do is just like it ended. And you're like oh my god everything about this character visually. Every time he's on screen is just. This is the argument for two. D animated like the character just feels like an argument for this medium. Being worthwhile. His shadow the shadow his own shadow like the back and forth that he has with his own channel and then the other shadow creatures are. It's like it's so it's it's terrifying to me. And his when he gets dragged when he gets dragged to wherever he's going to whatever do hell whenever yeah. He's going to get turned into a statue. It's the mo- it's terrifying. I can't imagine being a child and seeing that it has faced in the in the tombstone of the conception of this character so bizarre because it's like voodoo street magician who wants to own the city. Sure he is haunted by a bunch of mass who've function as like the backup vocalists for cab. Calloway right and he's constantly trying to stay ahead of his debts like like he's a gambling addict and they're constantly trying to collect on him. Yes but he's so he just sort of like he kind of like coincidentally stumbles into the plot. I mean like the opening number. You just see him playing three card monty with people and shit and then gives someone a hair cream and they like turn into a werewolf. I like i like that. That's really funny right. But then it's just kind of like he's just this guy who exists in the tapestry of this city looking for a way to run everything yes he's basically like he's gotten these magic powers but the price is that he needs to like pay these people in whatever dark you know magic tricks and things like right like like cursing people essentially. Yeah he has to hand over. That was another very frightening image when he when he's like i'm gonna to have the city in the palm of my hand and you'll have as many souls as you as you want. And then we see the masks. Suck the souls out of the fictional people of new orleans that he has in his hands but we see them pulled out of people scary i. I can't imagine seeing that as a kid. Probably fast forward through it every time. I just feel like it's interesting that so often the disney villains especially these movies. We've been watching very close to the main characters right. It's like this is your guardian. This is your parents. This is your boss you know. Yeah this vagrant essentially this fully not connected at all like i'm here to break right. Navene is just dumb enough to walk through his like curtain. You know you like but it could have been any mark. He he needs money right. And then navene happens to sort of stumble upon tian. I mean there's an interesting amount of coincidence in this movie versus the usual disney princess movies which are so it is destined. You know it is in the tapestry. I ran this by david. But my brother James segment passing future guests. Huge fan of keith. David we talk about keith david. A lot We have a group text thread with his friend. Gabe who i think. Listen to the show where we often talk about. If we re watched a good keep david performance or semen for the first time. It was just like that guy never gets enough credit. Let's have this three person text at thread. Be a safe space to suck us keith. David at any moment. And and i think at one point throughout What is the best keith. David movie and i had extended to you. Dave and i said it's an interesting question because you have to go is it. What is the best film that keith david is an in which case you're thinking the thing that you're thinking that kind of thing you know. He's he's been in some very masterpiece right like the thing might be the best movie. He's in right. But you're like or is it. What movie uses keith david. The best in this is top. This is high on the list. Right right like i don't love this movie but you kind of have to. It's kind of arguable. This is a top three keith. David movie from that prison and that it almost feels like this movie is a tribute to like keith davidson. This guy great unbelievable. Yeah like let's give him lets. He finally gets a run. I find that really hard to even try to answer like even attempts to answer it is a fascinating difficult question. You forget that like a right. He's in recreation perjury right like there's so many movies he's in real like oh i completely forgot. He has ten minutes in that one. And then even if you're thinking about like utilizing him versus how good is the movie but like he's such a good he's such a good villain and yeah but then he village a good like warm loveable character like he can he plays so he can play both sides. And you're just like. I don't know i don't know what even is the best energy i like from keep david. You don't know which one of those you want. more than. That's that's what makes us so tough. I mean i was saying to david. There's almost an argument. I wanna form that. The best keep david movie is something about mary. Just because that is a performance. That is just keith. David like he gets to own about ten minutes. Stretch of that movie where you just feel like none of that was on paper. And he's just giving you everything so funny. He's just so funny. Very crucial to the movies. Obviously crucial early seen right the the the line deliveries are very crucial. I mean that in that year he has that end armageddon. Yeah two huge hits where he has like ten minutes in each. I mean i would argue that the best keith. David movie is the one. You're watching right now. Like whichever one like. That's the best. What like you probably are watching a movie that he's in. It's very possible or a tv show. That's a great plant. And that's why this group test exists because anytime we watch a keith. David movie one of us wants to text the other two and go like. Is this the best one. I'm just looking at his rookie right now. First of all he says that his three favorite voice performances of all time are spawn. Goliath and dr faciliate. Which even just thinking about that. You're like right he was. Hbo responds on an hbo. The hbo show he was goliath gargoyles. And then he's like the best. Modern disney villain. But then you also at like other voiceover roles and you're like raise the narrator in the english first princess-mononoke. He has vaguely anonymous roles. Like frolo soldiers and hunchback of notre dom apollo the sun god and hercules like. He's got a lot of the small ones but then he's in core align with. Oh yes he's the cat and core line great and corley the cat. He's he's so cool. Oh my gosh that when that cat starts talking. You're like yeah. I want the movie to be this for the rest of and want to hear this cat dog. He's the narrator of like ken burns's jazz he can give you. Obviously his one season turn on community is fantastic elroy potassium every time he pops up on on rick. And morty i'm like. Can i just wanna hear some. I love how much they use him. And the president all that shit. But i'm just looking at other shit here and it's like he was. He was black panther on the fantastic four cartoon. I mean and this is just us talking about the voiceover work right. I mean from what we know. If he's one of those guys were like if you've got a role for him he'll do it like he's not he's a hard worker. He's not hard to get. He makes like ten movies a year. Like you know he'll show up in a big movie he'll show up in a straight to video behind enemy lines sequel like he'll he'll do it all. I believe i've read interviews with him. He's said as much of just. Like i consider myself very lucky to be able to work. And i don't take that lightly and he's also a guy who just has the craft and the discipline enough that he truly is never bad. Why should he turn down a role he will always be the best thing in whatever he's in it will never diminish his reputation to be in a movie he only makes himself look better by going. How was key david so good in this. I just want to say. I'm looking at his live. Action kapiti now says he has like ten ten broadway credits. He is tony nominee he. He's obviously he's won emmys he he's done everything and he's done everything equally. Well i just want to say. I'm looking at his live action photography. His first film credit is disco godfather club patron on credited right. So that doesn't really count that but that doesn't really count right. That sounds like it's an extra. What do you think his first proper film role is i. I unfortunately no. Because i was looking to. It's the thing that's his first movie role. The thing the thing is his first movie. then he's very good in it his second movie as platoon. Yeah he's good in that too and then you're just like okay. Within that first decade he does bird. He does they live. he does roadhouse. He does always to carpenters eastwood as spielberg fuck limit best. He does works a spike lee. He did clark. He works with. Sam raimi quick and the dead like i mean. He's got an incredible voice as of course. That's what we're talking about here. Yeah i did. I keep replaying when i was in i was. I did a a training lab at the at the public theater in new york right after school and Right after college. I should say so that people not talking about but I if i played a fellow in one of my scenes. Ed i keep i replay this in my head often. Which was the director was. Just like you know keith. David played a fellow on the stage. So you got gotta ring it. I think about that every time i do anything. Yup david later fell on that stage. Once like i could be i could be in. La shooting something. It'll be like. Yep but remember that. Keith dave put you know what's incredible about james. It's not like you got to see that performance. Someone just told you know keith david. He played othello. And you and your head when will that must have been one of the great performances. In fact you just have no doubt your mind at that must have been historic work. It's and it must be true. There's trophy somewhere. I got more things. I just forget like right. He's the villain in barbershop. He's five roles and cloud atlas it. Just it's so deep. Yeah i do. It's just so much fun to watch this character move on screen and it is so much fun to hear him. See say or saying anything and you. You don't want him to be sucked to to the to hell like you're like you're like oh shit. Even though he's been doing this we haven't seen him. He hasn't killed anybody yet away. No he steps did step on ray. That's the most egregious thing he honestly. I loved ray. But when he's like. No i have the players threads. Please like no. Don't suck them into hell. That having been said he also is one of the most purely villainous disney characters and that there's no like tragic back story there's no redeeming. He's just a guy who enters is scary is league with demons and cons people. And you're still like. I feel bad for this guy. We should give them another chance. That's david that's all key. David keith david everything. He says simultaneously kind of scary. Kind of funny kind of sexy. It is all three of those things at all times. I want to say that. Bruce smith who co directed space jam is his animator and said basically like my favorite disney or captain concur developed. And that is what i wanted him to be. I wanted him to have the physicality of correlative will right. This sort of long exe- jewish crazy stick like sort of you know herky-jerky figure at but then right like i guess. Sort of panache of a captain hook is right. Yeah yeah absolutely. We were talking about that. On one of earlier episodes how it feels like captain hook and or lower the first to disney villains that enjoyed being villains. That were like having fun. Temporary work is cool. He's got a hook only respect them fully respect them for having such a good taibbi. Like i'm going to kill this kid. I'm gonna kill this child. You're like fuck you captain. Not only that. You're like maybe. I should kill it. Seems like it's working for this guy. He's a true he's cool. That's so all this stuff that we're talking about all this stuff. I just love it. It's part of why. I always enjoy this movie. Anytime i've thrown it on is is the middle section. I think everything you guys are saying about the navene. Peon romance totally fair as much as i like people guessing but it's powered along by all this other stuff which is yeah. Lots of disney movies do that. Obviously they have the side characters you know. Give you a lot of the energy. But i love it. I guess i just. I just exclusively becomes about the side characters in the villains of pretty long as they're frauds. I kinda just stop giving a shit about the two of them until that's resolved. They really do hand the movie over to them. And it feels like it's dares and it's i mean it's sad. I also agree with you. James i think in particular honest frog design is pretty uninspired and on expressive. Look it the navene frog at least has a little more fun where it's like always pella pugh frog. Whatever when he has little banjo and he's playing at the little league lager brand jo. Yes the log with with spiderweb on it right. Is that what the the the tijuana just looks like. They put eyelashes and hips on the navene. From right it just feels like well. Of course the two genders frog and lady frog we all know that frog is neutral and lady. Frog has the variation yes. She's got her hands on her hips a lot. Obviously because she's always frustrated with him because he's such a bad with good reason me he's a bit of a cad pay by bruno campos Who is like kind of retired now. He stopped at right after this movie. He went to law school and now he's like an environmental lawyer. Wow he was great in this. But i get it. Yeah he's brazilian but before this you know he'd been nip tuck lot in he done. You know foreign films and have been sitcoms and stuff. He's on jesse. If you remember. He got that disney money and he was like. I don't need to do anything else. Let me save. The world went to michigan. Jd disney residuals must be so bananas. I heard a story secondhand from a friend who is friends with someone who had a primary role in a pixar movie. And i was talking about how i've been trying to focus more and voice over work and he was like that's lucrative right. I'm like no all pay scale right. If you get one of these big things. I imagine it pays well. It's a lot easier and less time consuming but everything pretty much pays scale and he was my friend who was in a pixar movie. I asked her about it and she said and like a big part in a big one to sixty thousand dollars you know nothing to sneeze at. But it's like for a movie that big you're just like. Oh that's what fucking robin williams got for aladdin. Before all these things got unless you're massive movie star near the title character it's pretty much baseline you get sixty thousand dollars. And then he was like and then a year later the first residual check paid for her house. Oh my weight paid for our house. She bought the next year. The residuals bought a house. Wow yeah and like a good house in. Hollywood is a major role. I'm assuming a major supporting role but then it was also like you do the things for the theme parks and the video games and the specials and the shorts and whatever and it's just like it just never stops like the thing you get paid least four is doing the movie itself the first time and then it just never ceases to pay out for you. People do pay for these movies and disney remain successful. Well this is the thing i want to talk about. David you were you. Were saying the milana conundrum of You know do we want to just watch the girl be good at everything that we wanna see t on. Just be good at running a business. It was recently announced disney investor. Day that they are doing on tv show for disney plus that is going to be two d and it is pointedly going to be two d by walt disney feature. Animation is not done by the television department. It seems like they are giving them a show in order to keep to d animators on payroll giving them something to do. So it's going to be high quality. I think this is coinciding with Splash mountain is now going to be a tian ride. Disney looked at the clock and went twenty. Twenty now feels like the moment for to begin. Considering that may be one of our biggest rides shouldn't be themed around song of the south so they announced splash. Mountain is going to be redone to be all tiana themed and i think they're probably dove-tailing those two things together. It seems like disney is trying to use tiana human who is now a princess and a business owner as more of a character to make more stories in that timeline. Not just be stuck with frog tiana. We should acknowledge that in the final this movie. Of course he tries to get kissed by What's your pants. The john goodman daughter doesn't doesn't get it done in time. It's also a pretty sweaty. Oh she will technically be a princess for three hours because her father is king of mardi gras okay. No it's cool it's cool. He's the king of mardi gras. Okay just like if you're the mattress king right or you're like the real estate king but then does that. Make your daughter the mattress princess. That's my gosh. okay not yes. But it doesn't work because mardi gras ends and so they decide to just be frogs together and then of course they are legally wed as frogs and in that that makes yano princess because he is a prince and so when they kiss they humans again that that's how they closed that circle and i'll say when that happens i go. Yeah doug guys you should realize that. A long time ago europe prince base sang the whole song. They sing. yeah she they didn't get it. Maybe they were worried like a swamp wedding a swamp frog wedding might not be legally binding in the eyes of magic. I don't know i don't know. Did you notice though. The magic was slimy when they transformed vary slimy yes. I like that at the end when they when they when they reverted back yeah. I didn't notice that they got some magic. We love it. I am just like i don't know what this tiana show is going to be but i would be very excited. If it was just like tiana and her animal friends run a cafe. I would love for it to be that. Yeah like louis. Plays the trumpet there. I mean that's a great star right there just like make it cheers in the nineteen twenties in new orleans and like coach but he also plays music. I don't not like that. I would love that like it's called tiana's place and like you know. Everyone shows up at the regular people that go there every day. There's there's a there has to be though like a mike a protege of of sicilia who is like going after them or i won't watch the show this year keith. David needs to be involved. Please please be at all is known as it's called tiana called seattle. That's bay should have done it. That's wrong it's just called which i in and of itself is encouraging should've been caught janas. Plays what i'm saying. We're halfway there. We're almost there. It was called the further adventures of tiana. And she's definitely a frog like food. Yeah now i'm hoping they'll evolve the title tijuana's place. Yeah because it feels like if something called tiana. I would feel like there'd be like we found a reason to make our frog again. You know what i mean like. It just feel it begs begs to do that again. You know like like. I hate when tv shows about a movie. Do that with like that thing that you really don't like the movie we're gonna make that the whole thing. We're going to undo whatever exciting cathartic victory happened at the end of the movie. I yeah i'm interested to see what that show is but it is interesting. I feel like this movie comes out. They were pending a lot on it. They were banging the drum really hard. This is important. We have to regain the disney musical it under performs and then tangled is so big the next year you know then the next run of them are all just getting bigger and bigger and bigger that it's just like well i guess no looking back now. It feels like i know. I worked at the disney store a couple years after this movie came out and tiana merch was always really really big. It did always feel like there was a lot of love for this character even if the movie never got elevated to that classic status. I think this movie has a big cultural footprint. I know a lot of you know. Young kids like it. It does feel like it has lingered for them to. It's not just you know. Like for them to do the splash mountain thing and to denounce the tv show like you say like. Obviously they must have noticed. It feels like they're they're noticing that there's love for this movie a decade plus later. I'm interested to see what they do with with the character in the world now because there are elements. La yeah. They also made a huge mistake. Which was they released. This film in mid-december. I don't know why they did that. Like obvious. they put it out limited like thanksgiving weekend but like it's it's wide releases december eleventh. This is a summer movie. I think like. I you know i sure disney christmas. It's family time like nothing about. This movie is christmasy now And also that's just a busy time like you know it's tied little tougher to nose in there i also. I think it's weirdly like it's too late. It's too much of a romp to play as a holiday movie. You know where. I think if disney movies out on the holidays usually has a little more weight to it and even just like tangled and frozen. Feel more epic and have more adventure and action and you know when did frozen come frozen was a thanksgiving movie right. Frozen tangled both come out november. Yeah yeah now. They pretty much stick with the thanksgiving. Milana frozen tangled. Both ralph movies are thanksgiving souto. Pierre's like the one that came out in the spring huge hit all of them. I've been hits. yes okay. we're gonna play the box office game. We're doing the wide release right griffin. That's what you want right. Because they tried to repeat that thing to where they like released in one theatre in l. a. One theater new york and then it didn't even really blow the doors off their. Oh i would say that. Did i mean four hundred thousand dollars per screen average. Pretty good right. Yeah i i stand corrected i misremembered it did it did good i but i do think that whole strategies mistake these days but i i know in new york. They played it at like ziegfeld and they had some pre show thing and like a a a program and the tickets cost more new really trying to get into like a roadshow style. Event thing for that one week to hope that it would build word of mouth as like. This is important am i. am i remember. Like just made one hundred mania at domestically it made a hundred and four may two seventy worldwide tangled. Like you said makes two hundred and like five eighty worldwide like tangles. Just a big level up and it's partly the three d. thing. I think you know there's other things too but like i do think it's just like no three. D. movies are now what children's animated movies. Look like you know get used to it. Yeah and one could argue there. This had not laid dormant long enough for there to be quite the sense of longing that was needed. I think tangled also like even though it's different visual style. I think tangled benefited from the same. Oh it's been a while since there was a princess musical right there. I guess that's part of. I think the reason i didn't see this movie theaters is that she turns into a frog and i saw the trailer and i was like that seems stupid. Like why is she a frog. Like i was just coming in. And i'll catch this later and then later and i was like firefighters star. It's about kissing. This is good. All the disney corporate people also talk about. This is like one of their water is where they're just like we really had faith in if we sell the disney magic. We need to be a princess. It needs to be traditional. Needs to be classical people want it and they said like by the time it came out the perception was this is old fashioned and only for little girls like this is for five year olds. This is a baby movie. Like very much red juvenile and red kind of stodgy. It's why i think it will happen. At some point there will be some moment where whatever the cultural temperature is right. And this probably wasn't it. I think when people saw tangled and frozen which they marketed deceptively but it worked in terms of getting people to theaters. I would hear people say. I didn't realize how much i miss those movies. Okay so does this movie open at number one in its wide release. Yes it because number one. It's twenty four million dollars. It's not a huge opening but solid and the next week and avatar out. Let's see that's another fucking prom. You're right yes. The next week and avatar comes out. Yeah i think it's literally the week before the biggest movie come on. There's too much too much. Act against this. They fucked up everything. The it number two though griffin is one of the major phenomenons of the year. It's dropped twenty five percent in its fourth week. It's still number two dropping really low every single time. It was number one the week before. Is it what. I consider the most inexplicable blockbuster of the two thousand ten's sure i don't know the blind side. The blind side. Yeah how the fuck did that happen. I still don't get it. It's like american sniper. Who is like a heartland movie. It was a movie where it's like. This is a great inspirational true story. We're taking the whole family. Like you know what. I mean like even more so because american sniper was intended so that had that vine side. It's just like this is a movie for the whole family. You'll laugh you'll cry. He'll check your blindside like it right on. You know. I want to get david. It's not that i don't understand. They were successful. The numbers on those two movies are show outsized. It's their decree har it's bizarre that it's just like why these ones to some degree and like what blindside was to fifty domestic. Yet there was the bullock thing I guess like oh. It's a comeback for her proposal. Had come out that same year right. Yeah and like she wins the obviously but not a good movie. I did see it not very good just like really trickling but as you said it like opened big like the same week in twilight and they were like. Wow that's a big number. Two four blind side and then twilight started dropping and blindside started growing and then it was number one in its third or fourth week. And it's still holding on your so bizarre that movie number three another inspirational sports true story from new this week from two thousand nine and it's not it's all live action disney right. No it's not. It's an oscar nominated film from a major auteur. We will cover one day. Maybe i guess he's made like a million movies is based on a true story. True true athlete. Yes true story. A major major historical figure of our lifetime. But it's a sports movie. Yeah it's a sportsman with a major historical figure of our lifetime. Certain that's an interesting distinction. I mean i just mean like this is. This is the movie where it's like. Oh my god. This big actor is playing this insanely famous consequential person but also it's a sports movie. The sports thing is almost kind of secondary. The you think of the percents figure i kind of. He's a political figure of major importance. That like it's just do you. Do you know what this is. I'm just like a league. What is this idea. I try to other athletes who had like major political importance. And i like. He's not an athlete. He's not an athlete but the movie is sports movie. Oh all motherfucker invictus invictus morgan freeman as nelson mandela basically the first major nelson mandela because the interest elbow one comes later right long freedom. Yeah like and like morgan freeman. I feel like had been circling nelson mandela movie for so long. And then it's like we're doing it. Clint eastwood directing it and it specifically about the one thousand nine hundred four rugby world cup. That's what it's about. It's about that like that year. Him getting this team like to win a big trophy. This team of like white players like that. That's the narrative they finally settled on. It is one of those movies that i feel like in like january or february of any year. There is a movie that entertainment writers already resent. Where you're like. This is just going to win every fucking oscar and that film always somehow comes up short like it's like the cinderella man. Yes good shepherd charlie. Wilson's war good shepherd central. You're like these people making this movie on this subject. And i just remember my dad watching some. Espn like thirty for thirty about the real story. And he was just like. That's going to win. Best picture so fucking hard. You're telling me. Morgan freeman is playing nelson mandela. They're going to give him all. Four acting categories this year jones won. An oscar was part of the problem for a clint eastwood movie. It also the home movies. Just kind of a little limp. it's just sort of. It's a little limp. yup. I only saw it once. Have you seen james. i mean it's okay. I have not seen. It's such a shrug of a movie. Such shrug of movie all right number. Four griffin as you mentioned two major franchise entry. It's twilight but it's the second one. It's new moon director by friend of the show. Chris weitz new moon colossal colossal hit. He hundred million dollars. I mean as as i've said before on the show. I went to see new moon at midnight when the summit entertainment logo came up. It got more applause than i will ever earn for anything in my life. It was a sobering moment. It was you have to limit your expectations for your career. You will never create that much. Excitement in any and number five is a movie that we just discussed on this podcast. Another disney film more suited to the holiday than Princeton the frog. Oh we just disgusted on this podcast. We didn't do an episode about it did we. We did in our past miniseries. Oh it's fucking christmas. Carol christmas carol. I mean truly. The most boring film ever made jim carrey very dull. I never saw a james. I'll put it this way. I've watched and i haven't seen that's how i feel about the blind side. I've watched it but i haven't seen it's impossible to have seen that movie. You can watch it. You can be in the act of watching. Currently you cannot have watched it some other movies in the top ten brothers. Remember brothers toby maguire. Jake gyllenhaal brothers. What if they were brothers. That's another one though. Where it's like isn't a remake of a susanne bier movie and it's jim sheridan and natalie portman it was just like oskar oscars skar. Yeah too dark. i think it's a it's an iraq. War drama you know that sort of long legacy of iraq war drama connecting with audiences until american sniper old dogs griffin is in the top ten Yes film ever made. You've got twenty twelve roland emerged is thousand twelve and movie. I love you of two thousand twelve. Yeah you always get me shit for this. Yeah when that when the do throws his. His show is child up and falls into the chasm on come on. Let's it's beautiful exactly james. It is precisely my flavor of nonsense. It is exact kind of ugly bullshit. Nonsense that i fall for where we hated that guy. You know what i mean. Yes this guy's such an asshole you know. But then he died saving his child and so then it was like but it was because that was what was driving him was his kids the whole time. Yes absolutely also. That movie has an original song sung by adam. Lambert called time for miracles. That feels like one of the more recent examples of someone trying to do a. I don't wanna miss a thing. And i just love the music video of adam lambert fully adam lambert at singing like this love theme from two thousand twelve intercut with footage of like buildings falling into the center of the. It's just it's thing. We stopped getting outside of the nineties. And that alone makes me love the movie so much The only one the one went to shout out is nimrod and tells armored which is pretty good. B-movie like kind. That guy is a good movie director and that's his best work. He was supposed to be the next guy. I feel like he was being pegged. Just like this is a cool like john rhys scrappy guy. Who's going to move up and be like jamie coal at sarah and then it's sort of never really happened. It didn't happen because his predators movie which is pretty fun doesn't make enough money. Whatever like doom some but that movie you know matt. Dillon laurence fishburne genre. No you know. They're robbing an armored truck. Good shit geez. It's he does vacancy armored predators. He does Controlled which was hungarian. But those three american movies people like thing. Does the metallica half concert documentary. Half fiction film and then he's made one gary and film since then he just like totally he's working on shamlan show servant right now. He's been directing some of that. So i guess maybe. He's trying to nudge his way back in. I don't know. I definitely felt like he was being primed. That's it princess and the frog. It doesn't do that well. Print busker as clements of moscow. They go into retirement. Sort of right right. That's what's so funny is. It's like disney fires them. They go like i guess we're done lassiter. Polls them off. It goes like you gotta come back. They do this movie at underperformance. That are like i guess we're retired forgot. I forgot they don't retire. They go back to developing an adaptation of terry practice novel mort from discworld which is like their other passion project right which was never gonna get made it disney right right and they can't figure out the rights and so it never happens and they're kind of like. Wow no i guess you know whatever and then disney's like you're coming back baby. That's that's what they didn't retire. They left disney. They've got fired from disney. They left disney and now that retired now they now. They are officially retired. I think i've heard that john moscow and we can talk about the sweet currently animated his animating digital short himself by end which sounds like a fun old guy project. You know what i mean like. So that's cool but yes that's their that's just everything about these guys who it's very hard to figure out who they are and i have a friend who recently watched a video digital qna with them and was like i watched them speak for like an hour and a half. I don't know who they are. They just seem like nice old guys but it also is hard to picture them ever being young they just feel like they fundamentally have always been nice old bald men but you know it's such a run from them. It's the most definable run in like disney history at a crazy way james. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Guys thank you. It has been far too long. We'll have you on again much sooner. People show watch astronomy club on netflix. I'm a strong believer in that. You should never stop plugging your cancelled streaming show. Yeah please watch astronomy club. Watch watch season. What i feel like. They need to change the you know they have the they'll tell you how many seasons is the drop down menu. Yeah the you know they. They need to just be like the the show you know. They need to not say the season number. Because in that feels like makes you feel like there's going to be more seasons two seasons come back. That's the whole thing about a season. Is it rate it should say like the complete series or whatever right something very fancy pound bansi sounding. It should say a season. Yes as well. That sounds weird because then it's like you have to go hunt for the other ones like we got season but it was a great show. Cancel far too soon. Yeah but you're you're you're the best people to listen to trump in hollywood. Obviously aren about we listened to listen to both episodes listening to be talking about because of the prog here and then bear and then just see and sold there as well. I'm excited to listen to your guys whole episode and thank you all for listening to this episode. please remember to rate review and subscribe. Thanks to joe bone and pat reynolds for artwork. Thank you to marie. Bharti for our social media. Thank you to our editing team lebron. Aj mckeon thanks to the great american novel for our theme song goto blanket dot ready dot com for some real nerdy shit and go to our shop if i paid for some real nerdy merch. Were still trekking. We're going to keep on. Truckin through the kirk and spock movies over on patriot on so tune in for that and i guess our blinky awards episode will become an upright around. Now right i believe moana next. and then the blankets. Yes yes so that s. We have to look forward to next week. Milan close in the book on moscow and clements. We're going to consider the coconut and And then after that we're going to consider the best of twenty twenty year that is defined by how good it was a year to remember love reminiscing about twenty twenty all those movies. I watched on my couch james. What a time. You just made me realize there's going to be a point where people start saying. Is it crazy that. I'm like a little bit nostalgic for gonna happen right away. That's going to happen next week. It's gonna take too god damn days and i'm going to go a week into biden's presidency and we see how everyone goes crazy. I mean i probably by the time this comes out we will have very much past. But but the president was going to be like. Oh remember when whatever crazy thing happens didn't happen anymore. I know right by this. By the point. This episode comes out. People be writing near times. Op ed saying. Is it just me or do. I miss getting offended by things. The president tweets everyday mr trump on twitter. Why is this guy so level headed. I i mean. Where's the trauma. I felt a sense of risk every morning. When i woke up to be clear i do not feel that way. I don't feel that way either. Never absolutely shocking the mentally never well and as always as always never gonna feel though now. i don't even have an additional joke. Just went reassert which will never feel outlet. 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Good Old Boys

Revisionist History

45:11 min | 2 years ago

Good Old Boys

"Today's episode is brought to you by showtime and the new four part Documentary Series Shangrila Academy Award Winning Director Morgan Level and Grammy Winning Music Producer Rick Rubin pull back the curtain to give you an unprecedented look at the creative process and how it leads to artistic greatness go inside Shangri La Ruben studio where some of the most iconic albums of our time where produced and hear from today's most talented musicians as they give insight insight into their methods and their music Shangrila start streaming on July twelfth only on showtime this episode contains explicit language in the fall of nineteen seventy four the musician Randy Newman released an album called good old boys the most beautiful silent the record is the third song on the first side wait. Can I prevail and you still a little bit of Marie drew silence that sucks so much <music>. ooh Look my name Ms Malcolm grab well. You're listening to revisionist history. My podcast about things overlooked misunderstood. This episode is about Randy Newman's good old boys one of the most remarkable albums of its era. I listened to it for the first time years years ago but then I happened to listen to it again very recently and realized that good old boys is not an album. You can hear just once and hope to do it justice because it's not just remarkable. It's unsettling I don't think not on like this. This could be made today and by the end of this episode. I suspect you'll agree with me. I decided to go to California sit down with Randy Newman and create a listener's guide to one of the most perplexing works of music that did I have ever encountered. I've got to be <music>. I Newman I'm in his in his seventies still writing music tall and slightly intimidating. He's Hollywood royalty. His uncle Alfred was a composer who was nominated for an Academy Award Forty four times one nine times. Newman is at a second career writing for the movies as well like you've got a friend in me for toy story. Newman is unusual among songwriters because he writes in character and the narrator of good old boys is a creation of Newman's. He's called Johnny Cutler a steelworker from Birmingham Ming Him Alabama thirty years old the Song Marie is about Johnny Cutler coming home late after a night out with the boys and gazing love struck at his sleeping wife. I like the idea very much about being in articulate without that's not the right word <unk> be unable to to have the words unless you drink something you know I can't say this to you and maybe to lack the ability to say those kind of words but he's the fact that he is been drinking and you realize you can only say what he saying because he's and because she's asleep yet right yeah but that even makes me humanizes him even more. I should feel so sore really loves her. I mean it would seem that that isn't drink but it might be is this. It's a good guy and my answer to that is. I don't know I mean I'm suspicious of of this drug right no biggie but when I'm awake magnox the shit out of you sometime randy newman wrote Marie he created Johnny Cutler he dreamt up a beautiful love song for him but he doesn't know if he understands him or even if he likes him as if Johnny Cutler came from his imagination but is now somehow independent of it it it makes you wonder who's in charge itself. Sometimes out creed guest no week lease so listen you say they called me just away the love the love I love you. I always the the story behind. Good old boys begins with a man named Lester. Maddox Maddox was governor of Georgia from nineteen sixty seven to nineteen seventy-one now he's mostly forgotten but in his day he was notorious. I thank you for attack for real real. Myself is one of the very smart people so I try to act like less dramatic slack inside I feel and think and believe maddocks grew up in the depression in Atlanta. His father was an alcoholic doc. Dad Never made any money we times. We didn't even have a bathroom in the house. We had full rooms in a pass rather than four rooms and a bath and we didn't have electricity maddox dropped out of high school got a job as a steelworker to help support his five younger siblings married his childhood Sweetheart Virginia and after the war he started a diner near Georgia Tech. The House specialty was skipped Fried Chicken. He called his place the Pickwick so I I wanted to name no one else had act came on the name all on the name Pickwick and I've found that it really doesn't mean thanks so what you know it to be wick. That's through until you that week and someone had already used the name Pickwick in England so I couldn't use that so it was about your clock one morning. I've been working on for weeks. Maddox was one of those people who you can't do a cartoon version of because he already looks like a cartoon version of himself he skinny with an oversized. Sized head Bald Dome Black Plastic glasses always in a black suit moves with kind of loose slimmed floppiness like a clown there are so many oral history interviews with less dramatics floating around the state of Georgia that he must have spent spend as many hours reminiscing about his time as governor as he actually spent serving as governor the man liked to talk to pick leash officially to pick out to choose the select and rick needs to pile up to heat poor demise so named a restroom pick rick and said if you'd Picnic to pick rick and pick it out we would rick it up and we would we did and that's why it was named Pick Rick. I've never heard anything that's been named Picnic maddox advertise the Pickwick in the Saturday edition of the Atlanta Journal in a column with the title Pick Rick says lots of one liners in Maddox `ISMs like the nineteen fifties version of tweets or I talked about Christmas. I talked about marriage that talk about the Monkey Hasa Grant Park Dot talked about whether talked about fishing in my age but soon his column Pick Rick says becomes more and more political because this is Atlanta in the mid nineteen fifty s you one of the birthplaces of the Civil Rights Movement and Pick Creek is a ten minute drive from Auburn Avenue where Martin Luther King and Andrew Young and Vernon Jordan and everyone else is starting to stir things up and less traumatic is not at all happy with that. He's a segregationist Gatien EST and the more strident maddox gets in his weekly ads. The more popular Pickwick says becomes people start buying the Atlanta Journal on Saturday just to read what Maddox is up to maddox decides to run for mayor of Atlanta. He is no organization no money he drives himself around and he loses but the racist closer than you think so he runs again and loses and runs a third time and loses but then the waiver desegregation protests hits Atlanta in the early nineteen sixties the public schools are integrated first then the lunch counters then the restaurants and since the pink restaurant does not admit black people the civil rights protesters come knocking the first time I was about four Weiss intrigue backs came in and Virginian our feet are luncheon Saturday afternoon. They told me what to go and do it. I I told me not going to do and say saying what they were going to do was eat a picnic with television cameras witness. I said you never been here before year's born fuss and fight so I grabbed two of them. I think one of them was John Lewis Brown. Somebody and I just about had them out the door when they happen to remember. They're supposed to lay down on the floor if it hadn't thought about that had them both at and they got on the floor and could I couldn't drag them so I call my black employees at the kitchen and I said these people trying to destroy our business. They don't WanNA eat with us. They just want to create problem. They got to television radio and everyone with them and that's what I'm going to give you ten dollars for each one of these throughout in the next thirty seconds Maddux's employees through them out but the protesters came back this time maddox met them at the door with the television cameras rolling and a crowd starting to gather would the only every year now you're close in Maddocks in front of the Pickwick with his black suit and bald head protesters shouting cameras all around he's in Heaven Cannell. Donald values guns are paying our use. My fists values my customers. I use my employees. I use anything at my disposal. This property belongs to me my wife and my children it does long anybody else. I'll throw out two white one black one eighty on that doesn't make any maddox gets hauled into court because the Civil Rights Act has been passed and what he's doing is illegal. He's given a choice integrate or shut his doors and he decides is to shut the Pickwick one of the most popular and successful restaurants in Atlanta the business that he has spent his lifetime building that made him famous and to every southerner angry at the way the world is turning. He becomes a hero a friend and says to him. You know maybe you should run for governor and Maddock says okay and in nineteen sixty six he wins a white nationalist in the hospitality business who came to public attention in writing pithy politically charged statements in a widely read media forum runs against the political establishment and pulls off an upset victory and by the way it's a very close race. Maddox does actually get as many votes as opponent but he wins is when the election is thrown to the legislature. Oh and a huge part of Maddux's rhetoric is how the media can't be trusted. He's constantly accusing newspapers of lying about him. In fact in the corner of his official governor's portrait as a little table with a dead had fish on it wrapped in a copy of the Atlanta Journal a white nationalist in the hospitality business who wrote pithy statements on a media platform runs against political establishment accuses the news media of running fake news about him doesn't get as many votes as his opponent and then the less sticks over the highest executive office. I mean when does that ever happen. Maddock serves four years has to step down because of term limits. Jimmy Carter takes over as governor of Georgia as the state you might say returns to its senses and Maddox consoles himself with running for and winning the job of Lieutenant Governor he is well on his way to obscurity and then he gets a call from New York from the Dick Caveat show the great late night talk show of the Nineteen Seventies. They want him as a guest. That's when we return when I was a kid growing up in England. My mom used to read me the classic English Children's Story About Dick Whittington who is a young boy who set out for London with his cat because he heard the streets in London were paved with gold that part made sense to me because I'd been to London and it seemed entirely plausible. The streets were gold but the part I always had trouble with was where young Dick wrapped all all his worldly possessions in a handkerchief tied to a stick and threw it over his shoulder. How do you fit all your worldly possessions inside a handkerchief? 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That's your first refill pack free add G._A._T._T.. Q. U. P. dot com slash clad. WELL WON'T HAVE TO RUN JONG scuffle gene the first Randy Newman Song I ever heard with sail away seeing Jesus and drink wine. It's great American sale. Away is the title track of the album random and made right before he wrote good old boys. I was a kid when I first heard it and I had the same experience I would later have with Newman's other songs. I didn't get it. I I'm not sure I even paid attention to the words. I just loved how grand it was tag. No Mama snake sweet million bird. We made ball win but then I got a little older and as I heard sail away I said wait a minute. Everybody is happy as a man can be climb aboard Little Wog sail away with me. Walk Really Offensive British colonial slang for someone who's not white. It's the N. word. Basically I notice some interesting story at behind sail away a song. Oh it was a guy who's GonNa make movie and he was GonNa give ten minutes to five or six pop people than Morrison Remembering Hendrix to do ten minute thing and I came up with this. It had sort of a Z. Shanty before it you know very Irish kind of Yoho you know there and then this guy be standing in a clearing in the jungle and singing the song in that was but I was going to do with my ten minutes renae Newman wrote a song about an American slave trader standing somewhere in west Africa giving his sales pitch to potential recruits come to America. You'RE GONNA love this little cotton plantation tation that I've lined up for you know mom's book so those left yeah. The character is so kind of outrageous but we're not laughing along with him. We're horrified by him. I mean it's the people laugh at that in the nervous way at the watermelon joke in sit around think the budget strict wine all day now. There's a way to do that song so that it's not so shocking like the cover version done later the same year by Bobby Darin who was one of the biggest pop stars of the nineteen eighteen sixties won't have the wrong the jungle daring happy come to a miracle little one the Wad of that's that's like blasting seal in Bobby Darren's version the line climb aboard little dog sail away with me which is crucial in establishing how vile the narrator is becomes climb aboard little one sail away with me. I'm sorry I can't CEJKA passes so quickly. That's unbelievable that he did a happy version chess. It's this isn't there it is is the thing is newman liked Bobby Darin. He knew him and he didn't know what to think. I mean there is a world of difference between Wog and one also if I'm not mistaken Bobby Darin substitutes the words Mamba Snake with Mama snake eight no lions and tigers and no nurturing mama snake generally all do like to do that and it's like come to America you know this song is a lot of dumb guy. This is the song as like a it is a wallop. It is emotional. Wallin is searing song about this darkest bogarted America's past withdrawal drugs liked springtime for Hitler little one little away with me. You know just will so right. His instincts couldn't straighten himself. Ah How did you feel when you first heard that version I felt oh my Jesus Christ in those the original intention of sail away was to make the listener uncomfortable Newman takes a familiar figure a salesman Roseman and entrepreneur a patriot and gives him a rollicking sea shanty but then he forces you to acknowledge that underneath all that there looks a monster Bobby Darin chickened out he couldn't do it. He didn't want us to be uncomfortable and so walk became one and sail away became a glorified nursery rhyme. I don't mean to single Bobby Darin out because I think that most of us take the easy path in these situations too but the particular genius Randy Newman is that he won't do that. He can't so it's one thousand nine hundred seventy lester. maddox gets a call from Dick Kevin come on our show. He flies to New York and who tunes in that Night Randy Newman Ladies and gentlemen Dick Cabin Dick. Kevin is a year into his legendary late night show on A._B._c. up against Johnny Carson's tonight. Show Cavite show was like a highlight reel the nineteen seventies he did the greatest ever interview would Jimi Hendrix Groucho Marx was irregular so was Mohammed Ali he wants had Salvador Dali on the same show as a legendary pitching great Satchel page the famous debate between Gordon Bell and Norman Mailer that was unto cabinet. Listen we have a very good show tonight and I want to move right into it an excellent show. I think I don't know how do I know I haven't seen it. It might be a big dead. Why do people say that at the beginning of his show Kevin? It looks like Paul Newman's baby brother no more than five foot six impish big POLKA dotted tie. His first guest is a woman named Alice Gray an entomologist from the American Museum of Natural History Cad eyeglasses hair Nwabunne who brings a box full of cockroaches. I said what can we do about then. What can we learn about them? Are they are friends. No they're not exactly our friends but there are certainly our companions and I'm rather fond awesome distinguish lidge how many of us could mean our ancestors three hundred million years ago and recognize them the cockroaches. Can they go back that far back does the dinosaurs all the way back to the coal age they we're already recognizably cockroaches. That's an it's. It's always the people who don't like were the last to leave. Is We have put on this earth. I'm sure Kevin does a good ten minutes. I'm I'm cockroaches. Are these cockroaches or some of our inside. The cockroach lady finally leaves the stage and then my next guest tonight is governor Lester maddox comes maddox the gleaming bald head the black suit. I still call you governor won't do everybody else does. If you ever followed bugs before a few moments ago on your problems. That's the only that's the only time God I love to Kevin. They shake hands. They take their seats rust colored swivel loungers atop a gray shag carpet cava chose the audience a photograph of maddox holding his axe handle outside tried to pick rick restaurant and maddox than corrects him and says No. It's not an axe handle. It's a pick handle and goes off on one of his long endless digressions about the meaning of the pickwick denote saw hard work and and we had in the restaurant some of these pecans two gigs of them by big old fireplace where we burn hickory wood there were six of them initially cakes and they were dark red because that was the look something similar to chicken leg. Pick handle does not like the accidental news me talks about and Kevin who must be wondering what on Earth simply says well. I've certainly learned a lot Kevin brings on his next guest the football player Jim Jim Brown then one of the most famous professional black athletes in the country Brown's settles down next to Maddox who is literally half his size and gives him a polite smile and Cavite says to the two of them you feel separate but equal <hes> I realized that state hundred sixty civil rights humor but I still think it's hilarious. maddox turns to Brown says I thought you was the singer. He thought Jim Brown was James. Brown key then volunteers his personal definition of what being a segregationist really means of segregation is a person that loves his race enough all the races enough has enough racial pride and integrity to want to preserve them and I think a racist is one that doesn't care enough for his race or another race to where they would don't care whether amalgamated or destroyed or not amalgamated good Lord now think about this for a moment Mott Maddox is no longer governor Georgia has come to its senses and elected nice safe modern non-racist Jimmy Carter maddox footnote. So what point is there in having him on a mainstream talk show like Kevin the magazine where I I work. The New Yorker had a case like this recently. DONALD TRUMP's Bengali Steve Bannon was invited to speak at the magazine's annual literary festival and everyone flipped out the New Yorkers writers took to twitter a bunch of high profile celebrity invitees ts to the festival dropped out and the argument that was made about Bannon is an argument that could as easily have been applied to maddox years ago. What's the point of giving someone like that a platform? I mean what could possibly be learned from listening to them. Talk and sure enough what happens over the course of the next hour of the caveat show exactly what you would think the I think what we're really talking about in this country's economic development of black people at one point Jim. Tim Brown says something thoughtful and reasonable that he thinks the priority for black people ought to be economic development and maddox jumps on him development. All people what we're talking about mature coming up. We'll tell you what I'll tell you. Everybody can give an answer. Can I give you mind. Go ahead ready. I'll give you <hes> what I'm really saying is that there are some people that have suffered in this country for people generally but let's say that we have various ethnic groups in this country that have attained a certain kind of equality black people are more or less along with the Indians <hes> on the last one of the ladder they finished. You can finish your mind. What I'm really saying is that I feel that the way to bring about equality of black people in the system is already white people interrupted on and black people all wrote Mika? I'm not GonNa talk to then maddox starts going on and on about all the things he's done for black people in the state of Georgia and Jim Brown turns to him with genuine curiosity and asks if he had any blowback from white bigots goods in the south have any problems from the white biggest because you did so much black man which is kind of a great question because if maddox has in fact been this great friend of black people then you'd think he would have angered all the hardcore segregationists and everyone else who's opposed the civil rights movement right Mr Brown Nasty Governor <hes> medics if you'd had any trouble from your white <hes> admires for the fact that you no he said big. It's like you said you have. Why didn't you say that what I'm talking about? Dick I do take him around and you mislead the people in your audience know you oughta start being honest all of you would you words and what you're saying. The people you said Admires Vegas a lot of the last half of the show is just maddox getting more and more agitated Dick Cava trying to calm him down and Jim Brown looking over at Maddox like he's misbehaving child. maddox Matic's asks caveat to apologize cabinet refuses. The audience makes astonished noises maddox stands up and starts to walk off the stage Cabot says come on sit down maddock says all sit down when you apologize so Cavite. It says if I called any of your admirers bigots who were not big. It's I apologize. This is insane. What was DECAPA thinking inviting this guy in his show? Why don't you just those friends of? Mind call an ambiguous. I think this yard you and he goes to the only biggest sir maddox gives cabinet an ultimatum one minute to take it back or he'll walk out for good which point Jim Brown pipes up wait. What about me? How much time do I have to circus? I would say say that I phrased the question in a way that was not exactly accurate in the sense that he did say bigots. have any white bigots been upset because you have done certain things. If you're black admires. You haven't apologized yeah and you've got fifteen six now. Let me use those fifteen seconds. I apologize for suggesting that a big it would be the way of characterizing all of your admirers was wait a minute wait a minute. There's more time nice and less dramatic storms off the set. Oh and I haven't even mentioned that the writer Truman Capote then shows up he's in at the height of his celebrity tiny videos wearing purple tinted round sunglasses. You know curiously enough. I had a cousin he lived in advantage that I went went to visit and who took me to this restaurant that he ran it was called pick a rib or something Mike that take a real nicorette eh he was always at the door with guns you know to keep any any food negroes out of the restaurant but I went there with his cousin of mine and because it was near the campus the college campus and he wasn't bad but it wasn't finger lickin good. The whole thing is so bananas the caveat feels the need to apologize to his audience. <hes> I'm sorry the governor has left. I went outside <hes> just during the break and he's out there with his hat and coat on and I asked him if he would please come back and use the last minutes to say whatever he <hes> would like to say <hes> because <hes> he felt that I guess that he he was <hes> insulted. <hes> I did not mean to insult him at that moment. I have to say this and I hope I don't feel it doesn't come off sounding. I don't know what but I found him. In spite of the fact that I would probably despise his feelings about segregation if I were actually clear and with the with the are a likable man. Would anyone go along with this. Would you agree the audience is not having. Why is it yeah? I'm not backing down shut up. I'll tell you what I'm back down back after this. It was a farce what was the point except to allow a segregationist to play the victim. What good is there in getting someone unlikely that a platform except Randy Newman was watching whose imagination has a mind of its own? I'm sitting here with Camille my assistant Camille. Can you explain to me how you came to get this job. Sure two years ago my friend Sophie Meets Rosie at an ice cream shop and they find out they're both going to Barner that fall. Where I am through sofi the I meet Rosie's friend Jacob who works for Malcolm and he tells me Malcolm needs insistent? Did you hear how serendipitous that was. How convoluted if anyone of those nineteen things don't happen? 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He imagines what supporter of Lester maddox would think watching less dramatic storm off the stage gave you gave me one minute. The jazz glad you called me show now you do whatever you want you back knowing he gives that imaginary supporter a name Johnny Cutler a Home Birmingham Alabama a job steelworker. He imagines Johnny Cutler Coming Home One night drunk. It gazing at his sleeping wife and then he imagined him turning on the television last night. I saw last Matic Sony T._v.. Show with some smarter as New York Jew in June laughed in less dramatic. All yes laughed less than matic's to Willie Mae Balls medical to smallest New York okay. That's good August last listed next to you. It's pretty good. It's just click click click that became the first song on good old boys. It's called rednecks. When I first heard that I didn't no list of Maddox was I didn't even know that it was but that idea of the southerner going to New York and sitting down thinking Dick Average Jewish to potassium will in maybe a fool but his off you better than here near Rome when Cain to this park took WanNa sing along don't you it's like sail away all over again me disown but then comes this with tall real fun down here Jake too much in laugh to they? Don't make them town keeping near down. It's one thousand nine hundred seventy. The South is in people lester. Maddox has just been humiliated by some Smart Ass New York Jew. What do you think Johnny Cuppers GonNa set? There is waiting dumb. Come out hustling. God alligator shoes dropped every week into Bob. Cues cheap does daffy how we how did people respond to that side at the time I I played it in Lafayette Louisiana and they loved it. I got a letter the only one I ever got on this song from from somebody and he said I was in the audience in Lafayette when you played this song the Black Kid and he said <hes> I don't know where you're coming from but there I was and I was enjoying the concert up to them and all of a sudden I'm sitting in the middle of fifteen hundred white guys yelling read next red neck you know and he said it made him very very uncomfortable. And you want to let me know we swear we we southern got an audience has started yelling for it so they could sing along with the chorus. Did it become was it taken over by didn't become become southern anthem for a certain kind of who did what. I thought that that was happening. I stopped playing you know in the in the south he had to stop singing. Many radio stations wouldn't play it and you definitely wouldn't hear that song on the radio today. It even feels strange to play it here. We've become appropriately uncomfortable with the N.. Word in almost any context you can only play rednecks now if you explain where it came from and who Johnny Cutler was but you can't not play it just because it makes if you feel uncomfortable because Johnny Cutler in Birmingham Alabama in nineteen seventy absolutely wanted to keep the niggers down and we can't gloss over that fact if we're being honest oh and by the way Johnny Cutler wasn't done down here we tweet three eleven north sit near free. He then names every slum in every northern city Nick Cage in Harlem New York City put in a cage in the south side of Chicago in the west side is free to be put in a cage and he say Lou the minute cage in huffing leads the border Medicaid <music> philmont safe and Cisco put him in the balls he says to all those smug northerners when you drive with your windows up and your door's locked to the projects of your own inner cities. Are you still sure you're better than me. You have to play that too because if you're going to be honest about who less dramatics really was you have to be honest about his critics to did you ever hear from Lester Maddox. You sent me an axe and it really fantastic from his store he sold the accidental pick. Pick candle says Lester maddox listen to a song about racial hatred and he sent the man who wrote it a pig candle as a token of his gratitude revisionist history is produced by Meal Bell and Jacob Smith With Camille Baptista. Our editor is Julia Barton. flawn Williams is is our engineer fact checking by Beth Johnson original music by Louis Cara special. Thanks to Carly McClary headed Fain Megi Taylor Maya Cain Iq and Jacob Weisberg provision history is brought queue by Pushkin Industries. I Malcolm Gaba by the way there's a great essay. On this subject in the two thousand fourteen book. Let the devil speak by Stephen Heart Heart writes that in sail away Randy Newman showed one of America's greatest lies being crafted in his next album newman which show how the lie soaked into America's bones one. I think this is sort of happy I mean certainly the voices make at that. Well you can't do it. It's not that we I've a new book coming out. The September called talking to strangers.

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S9 Ep 26: Adam Lambert

Table Manners with Jessie Ware

33:40 min | 1 year ago

S9 Ep 26: Adam Lambert

"Hello. I'm Jessie ware and a pay with. High and we've quoted this cost back in the autumn, and here is view. Is Mister Abner number one of my very favorite singers amazing voice. Having Breakfast with US mums back in autumn. Enjoy here we go. Lander with so thrilled to have you I just loved you an American I still do thank you so much can i. tell you I followed you from the beginning? Was American idol. It wasn't just said it must have been an. American it was America because cal was on American idol. And was Randy Newman on their Randy Jackson yeah. Randy. Yeah, and who else was the other Paula Abdul. Ler! Too but they loved. You knew it was such a good. Thank you. Single Week. It was such A. Such A. Fun It was like a good challenge every week. They're like okay. Here's the theme I'm like. Let's go. I loved. It will make up. I did love makeup. Count. Any have nervous break. It? was used to that. It was slum. Boy intimidates hanging. In America, yeah, climate was so different. Yeah, it was just so different, but we were talking about this because. We had our first pop idol will young one who is? He's gay and he wasn't out as gay, but then the papers were going to get. They were outing him what then he asked. He came out after the show, but I think like I guess you kind of you open about the fact that you were gay or. Even, say it was like never I was never. been out since I was eighteen ever i. what I mean and I was twenty seven when I was on the show, so it was Kinda a I was like yeah, what like it never was said on the show, and it was never I never really thought of it as something that. Was Missing from being, said anything about it that way. I was open with everybody like the producers, the other contestants. Did. They ever wants to make a thing of it like they want. Go soap story baton. They didn't. Teenage. have seen like fine the. San Diego. Born in born. Back but it. It was like one of those things where I don't know. It just never seemed like it was relevant it is. A long term relationship like a partner and when they've handed the audience. WHO's out there? If that had been the case? Maybe that's how it would have come up. But it just seemed like I I guess there was no reason. But. Do you think you didn't win because you? Probably, yeah, or or gay different through center because makeup I was doing crazy stuff. It wasn't like I was the most like butch masculine dude up there, so maybe yeah, maybe that was part of it because the guy that one was the stereotypical. Western. Timid to name. The Stop you stove you. Talked about your performances, everyone talks about the APP is everyone talks about the full sectors? were. I had I had a lot of fun, but you've done a case and so. I mean no harm. People always to me and they go. Oh, it's better. It's better that you didn't win. Right because that means that you had more and I'm like well, no actually. One we got the same contracts I mean it was the same I I didn't really care once. I got to the top two I was like whatever I got a record deal. That's what I wanted. I wanted a shot. So what if you were twenty seven? What did you before musical theater? For years he that's why you Jesse. act. That's really what. You love as well. I won't be in a musical comedy. Do the dancing bear all the acting? There's plenty of roles that aren't dance related, and there's a lot rules that are more singer heavy than. How and why? Don't WanNa be Maria. You could also do a great alphabet. In wicked I never seen leakage you did. That's what I did for years. Is that gravity songs good? Did. You sing that well. No I was an alphabet. To I really wanted to pay myself cleanest. Do Nontraditional casting and cast boy no now. Whether you. Are Born in Indiana, which is in the mid, West and my parents moved me to San Diego when I was less than a year old. Yeah it's beautiful. Yes brothers, little brother. WHO's three years younger than me and he's a nephew. Yes, yes, can you? Hear me and my sister-in-law. They're they're lovely. And they just moved back down to. Orange, county, which is in between. Cousin used to. Their Irvine. Where'd you can't? Really. Live. Big Jewish community there. I didn't know that yeah. He lived in this really strange place. It was like an Italianate village. Really with kind of it was so odd. It was all kind of very talion duplex. was really purchase. So many Jews, but lots of swimming pools. Growing up. Will you brought up Jewish like more or less? I went to Hebrew ski for a Y-. Just you. Know you would have Sundays knives. Could have. Your the. GRANDMAS would have been crying. My mom was very like she was really excited to kind of. We celebrate Hanukkah. We celebrated Passover and she was really excited to have that cultural experience. But. I think once I got a little older. I was just too distracted with the theater stuff. I'm just doing theater as a kid i. that's what I wanted to like. Sorry foster data. I was like I. Don't WanNa. LEARN HEBREW I WANNA! Learn the play you know so. So you secular, yes, would you define yourself as Jewish? I think tradit- I'm proud of my heritage like telling people because I feel pride in it, but I don't think that I'm religiously Jewish I'm not necessarily a religious person. Did your mom Cook Jewish did. Not, real, I, mean for like Passover, we did the traditional like Cedar and. I have some Jewish friends and I've definitely gone to like Sater's at their house. I friends that are more Jewish than me and had the experience I. Love it I love that as like a cultural heritage I remembered the prayer I the prayer when we were writing. The minora like new the song I'm like okay. This is cool. I like it. I liked I liked being different I like because it was like no Jewish kids neighborhood in my school nothing there was like a very few in San Diego, because it's such a sort of like a conservative Christian type area, and my brother and I kind of liked being like the weird kids. We were like. Yeah, we're Jewish. Where the rebels? My little brother, actually the funniest thing when he was in school, they were doing like portrait's. It was Christmas time and they were doing portraits with like one of the teachers was dressed as Santa Claus, and they were making all the kids were like a Santa Hat for the photo, and my brother was like I. Don't want to wear the hat. And the teacher was like you have to wear the hat and he was like refuse. At my brother was such a such A. Firecracker and He got in trouble for refusing to wear. The Santa Hat and my parents had to go down to the to the principal's office and my dad was kind of like well. This isn't really appropriate. He he he's Jewish. He doesn't really want to. Why should he have to wear the hat and this whole like philosophical moment and my brother? My brother was. A, protesting no. Fifth Grade. Adapt Jewish no, so where's he from? He's from Vermont and he's very like White Anglo Saxon American. He says it has definitely amongst sign. Yeah, yeah, my dad's blonde blue. Eyes Tall that you've got the blue. While I also have light hair. This is all smoke. Shit is all fake, but what's the? What's the. got better makeup on. On when I'm on performance on stage. For those of you, wondering I'm not wearing makeup for the podcast. I'm waiting for what I'm doing later. For you! Nail listen. Thank you. Sosa growing up in San Diego, I presume it was a lot of Mexican food or Mexican food. San Diego. dipped. The Mexican I love Mexican food. It's better not do that. Yeah it's like that's home cooking for me, so it wasn't issue with your mom could cook. Issue cannot bad cook, but we know she's good she. My mom was really into like all the health food trends that had time, so I remember the first time we had like soy was like this thing is not meet. It's better for you and she would get. It was before like almond milk was a real thing, but I wish we'd had almond milk. Why because I drink too much? Dairy is again. I think it screwed me up. You feel Seto. It like get me. I always like sinus issues and things and they dairy does so. Can we talk through because we told you a Vegan the X. and fish so technically not, that's not me. I'm like a PESCA -Tarian. That doesn't mean dairy. Okay, so whatever that means you know what I mean not eat the dairy because of how affects your your sinuses? That, make sense like also I did watch some of these documentaries about dairy farming, and it's a little scary. I find now so. What would be usual? What's one of the most memorable meal that your mom would cook a lot of or was it? Very I mean I do remember I mean if we're talking about like traditional food. I did love lot 'cause they were really excited. They were grass. Time a fried potato cake. You know I can't go wrong. You know, and so she did. She did a great job at that. My Dad was a good cook to really yeah. We on Saturday mornings. He made pancakes that was one yet and I would help him. Make them and. It was a very like which. Yeah look what we did every weekend. Saturday's. toppings he would bake apples into them or bananas into them, which was really good, and he had like a griddle, and like the first batch would always be too greasy, and then they would be perfect, and did he put baking powder in has like to make the lions. And sometimes we use whole wheat flour, 'cause. My mom was kind of like pushing the like I better food in here. Well, we do once my. She loves pancakes. We did them just been honor and egg, his tiny bit of oats, and she's an, and it's fine as we ought to do. The other ones but I mean it works. When did you go pesky Talia? I went vegan first, and then I was like I need some sort of. Restaurants. You're traveling and it's kind of like. You know what I mean. You have to find Vegan food in order to begin and outside of La it's harder, you know so. I think I started what four years ago maybe. What being Vegan? Yet. My husband's really canes be Vegan night for. Trying to save the world and tries to kind of just you know, he's basically vegetarian now. And then I'm that person that just kind of can't resist a little bit of. We have got it. Pudding. Everyone every once in a while I. Mean like maybe once or you need it sometime. I'm just WANNA fillet. It's just WANNA filet steak. I had like four months ago, I just needed it. Okay, yeah I. Feel like the thing about me. If I was was living on a farm. And it was like we were raising our own lives. It would be like real and fresh, but I just feel like the industry, the food industry, and like the so much processing and antibiotics. It just freaks me how? Kinney, in America's really about in America. He's definitely. But began I think I I completely I. Think it's I think it's amazing. I think veganism. Because so much more effort as you like not easy especially when you're traveling. Can Imagine going to Poland and a half. Meat and potatoes. Potato? Okay can I put some. Plane in Poland like you don't get. said. Yeah! Last year all the time, yeah! We're really lucky. We have chef, which is very nice. It's a whole thing with queen. What I love about Queen, is it? It's very grand bit spoiled. Five stike spoiled. Yeah, we did fly around Jed, and we yeah, it's like the five star hotel. It's very nice. Do you think it's going to be haunt fee to go touring as Adema number? Now that you've been spoil with clean or you quite looking forward to? It is a slight adjustment. It's humbling. It's like Oh right. Yeah, right? Okay. My budget's a little smaller I can't spend as much on my stage on travel and all that stuff, but it's good for me. I think it's humbling. Keeps me grounded going to be performing and. Eventually yeah. Yeah, of course of course speaking about your EP. That's why using the primary now. Yes, yes, I like juggling the queen stuff and my stuff. It's IT works. Does it, does it? Kind of makes you missed one and then yeah, it's like it just takes a bit of planning. It's a good balance I. Like it and being out with Queen when I'm. On stage with them. The audiences are on fire. They know every word every song. It's like it's very charging gives me a lot of energy a lot of adrenaline. When was the last time you did like your own Adam? Lambert show that was in well I've done a couple of private gigs here and there but. Off of my last album, and that came out in two thousand fifteen, so it's been four years. Yeah, say doing this touring with Queen has it mean you've always been an incredible show I mean that's. Effortless is but has it made you think about how you want to do? Like touring your show and like setup will be obviously. I have no doubt you'll be stadiums, but like know. But you know the smaller. The queen stuff is like it's it's grand. We're playing. Dress up like Freddie Mercury your yourself. Yes. Yeah, yeah, people have asked me that before. No, no, it's not like a playing a part, and it's not an acting sinking. trails. I try not to go too far from the original because it's kind of like, that would be like sacrilegious. Police really so unlike his. It's orbit different. We're different. He had like a stronger. Like mid range like he had more weight in his voice more like. Texture I think he was smoker, so he had like had a lot of like. You'd like more like like power in the middle. But I do think. Mine sits a bit higher. You'll full set. My Belt, the bill does. Yeah, ever lobster balance sheet of beautiful falsetto actually. Does amazing probably better than mine for sure. But I can wear a pack. To sing the tool on the HEMU maps, no I was just I was a trucker. I was a trucker for five seconds. It just a bit of a kind of nod wing. Let's, I was in London and they were like. Do you want to go on set and play a little bowl and I was like okay. You know when it first opened here it. It wasn't a crazy for. And then I didn't see it and I. Also. See and then I went to see it because he got nominated and we my laughter. Absolutely loved there. I think the beautiful thing about the film that people fall in love with the idea of Freddie Mercury in this movie. You know what I mean and the music is like the music may say good, and that whole bandits sat the show and the original for its his voice, isn't it? Yeah, that's all that's all his. Long. said they should live, but he met you. Yeah, and so it's as if you're living that whole they. They did it so much of the recordings that they did like still filed away. They have all the files, so most of the singing in the movie is Freddie. Romney doesn't sing at all. No Lip synching, and then they had a guy named mark a Martell whose More or less a Freddie impersonator me sounds just like Freddie Mercury. It's UNCANNY. He's brilliant. He's really talented and I think he came in, and did some of the like. Just a bit of cut away stuff when Freddie was like composing. You said do they call it Queen With Adam. And plus I don't know whatever the heck that means. Yeah Yeah. So. What's on the writer in the Queen Wider? What you have to you have. Cookie La. In the room! Yeah, I have like I have healthy snacks like almonds, I have. What else do I have I asked for Avocados I asked for I mean it's just healthy snacky things. I like having a juicer in the room and fresh vegetables. That's that gives me energy I really yeah, it's a great before show because it gives you this natural, we good salaries, and like beats and. Lemon and ginger. You just blended all up. Juice great span invoked rebel. Isn't it probably put probably in the long run? I have I, don't. That I'm like it's a salad with. A. Keita's your drink of choice. Yeah, I, don't know enough about key. Live had too many bad experiences on everybody that I've met on. This side of the pond feels that way about two gala. Most people and I'm like well. Have you had any good to Cuban? They're like. What do you mean I? Don't know and I'm like. We probably haven't so. There's certain Tequila I'm. I'm kind of a snobby about certain. Tequila that are like. So good, and you just sit them and they taste like caramel and they're sweet in there so good. There's one called cluster as will. And it sounded. That's heaven. That's it. That's my favorite. George Clooney's. That's good. Yes, thought one cost, Amigos. Tequila and you just. NEAT, mostly to or ginger beer, little ginger beer. Nice a lot of sugar. Now look you don't need to worry about. When I was a teenager, I was so fat. It really was war. Bad there for a minute. I think it was eating my feelings. I think I was like. Ice Cream. And I would like really go in all gallon. I mean it was like it was ice cream. Big Well style. What what type of ice cream owned? Yeah, yeah. You name. This kind of pressure to be slim and body beautiful. It is I think there's more pressure because we're the same sex? We're trying to attract. It's competitive. It's like. We compare ourselves to each other. It is tricky workout. I used to. I've been so I've been so lazy less couples. Do you want tweet something sure. To Arch like patrol rex. SEASON! So we have. been folded eggs today, because that's what they will say, the Mama yet so folded eggs with tomatoes and spring onions, and Chili, and then a beacon banana bread, who? Draws breeze that sounds yeah, and then what else have we go I've got some lovely bread. And then we've got some avocado with some pickled onions or a little South Asia says bits and bobs so whilst mom is folding. The eggs I'm ask you some of the things that we ask all our guests such. As do you think you've got good table manners? Probably, not actually I'm probably a pig I. Don't know I, don't. When I was a kid, I remember my father. I was trying to eat with a fork and I had like sideways Kinda like it wasn't like straight on my and I was putting food or my mother news. That's not how you silverware like. Hold it right. Why are you eating like that and I like? What are you talking about? And then when it came to the U K for the first time, people use cutlery totally differently in the UK than they do in America. Did you know that well? Show me how you're doing your most like American that are like American. We just use one fork if you're using a fork and knife to cut a piece, most people like. have their in their dominant hand. They turn their fork over to cut it. To hold the peace of food, and then yet cut with the left night. Yeah, then you put the knife down and you just turned the fork over and shovel it in your mouth. You don't use the the point of the week to thing where we do. You. Do you like stack your by? Can't keep your fork upside down. Americans don't eat like that. Ever Toda and when I realized I was like Whoa. It's so weird. It's like a totally different style of using your cutlery. How funny. Because Americans are. We just poke it with the with the. We WanNA puncture. You know and so. What's a manner that you don't like in other people to mentoring don't like. I don't know I don't know I. Don't I can't think of anything. I think it's a bit silly that you have to criss cross your fork and knife on your empty plate to signal to the wait staff that you're done a lot of people do that. They critics Crossley. You put your knife nearly together. Know a lot of people like on an empty plate after their financial that means take it away although I feel that meant that means for us. That means that you're not finished. I. Love I don't know much about table manners I on A. Desert Island Last Supper. You've got a starter main pudding only not putting a desert and it drink of choice. What would it be? I think I drink of choice with Tequila yet at the the the one with the pretty. The classes will probably because it monitor deserted island. I'd want to stretch it out, so I'd probably add some probably. Add some ginger, beers. fancied up. And Start, I would do like probably. Like a really good Tuna Tartar Oh. Yeah, you get the good in La with like Avocado and like thin like we free kind of chips to eat it with you. Had it somewhere that yeah point I love Jesse. And you get the task somewhere in. Venice beach the pokey. That's. It's really good and but gone so so that's the starter and then for the main. Probably like a really good piece of salmon. I do Love Fish I. Really love it like Salmon with Lake or if I wanted to go non meat, do have you had a beyond burger? If you tried this yet? The non meat ones. Had Impossible Burger right and the apostles are good, too, but yeah, beyond I think beyond Burger tastes better. It's made from. PS. Oh I think the impossible is using wheat I believe it uses like I think I think that's the difference, but it's so good. It's so so it tastes like me. He's like a Burger and night. And you love the taste of meat, and so that's why I mean yeah, the the the sensation of having a so satisfied. Can you get to be owned? By the market like the whole foods and They have to cook it. Yeah, well I. Don't know about the whole foods here, but they have it in America and some restaurants now 'cause now. Yes, we have the impossible. Come here, but. I haven't maybe on this. Okay, so then you'd have that with. All the other bits with A. Guy Or the SAM okay says. The salmon with. Me Tonight so I would probably do like brown rice, or you know what I love. Healthy I like sweet potato fries. I could eat a whole bowl. Sweet Potato Front, everybody deep, fried as well. Actually you know what's good as a little cinnamon ou. It's really genyk like a garlic I. Oli hm Yeah I love that. Does that right you've been with Brit probably. Scream coconut ice cream from. Anywhere that you've had you just a couple different. There's a there's a company called. Newin I think that's an L. A.. That's like Vegan. Ice Cream so good. It's like it's so. It's so rich and like it tastes like ice cream. I'm Cathy, said ice cream. 'cause mean he loved it when you a teenager enough ice cream. You just have to kind of like. You know watch it. It's a occasional treats. I'm not great, but I can. I can make food. I'm like a practical cook you know. Look yes. Yes, he's great. He's actually he's I didn't realize that he could cook and then he like got in the kitchen one day. When God this is amazing I'll stick with you, yeah. Case. I think he just kind of like improvise like I do like he puts them like rice and some eggs and cheese, and some cut up some vegetables and just made like a little. And it was good, it was great. Great, it doesn't look pretty. He was really like. I'm kind of sloppy. There you go! You have traveled the world with well. With Queen, you must have told her life. Yeah, where's your favorite place? Like continent to eat. New Zealand. Educated because everything's so fresh and like organic. Yeah, yeah, and also. Where else? I've had really good food in. In Japan I mean Sushi. I mean legitimate Sushi at yeah, and Australia's well really good food drink wine. Red Wine Me. His, but sometimes it tears my tummy. Not Actually who designed costumes? For the Queen Tour Yeah Most of them are Julia MacDonald. WHO's a British. How did that come about I'm he's friends with Roger and his wife Serena their friends, so he I met him at one of the parties around Oscar time, and he, he was very funny and charming, and he's like I want to make close viewers at great, and that's actually the first time it's ever happened like that. That's a real legitimate designer, and do you have you dress in very very flamboyant style of course oh? WHO's your favorite? On who's designed field I love. I mean the cautions already designed because we just North America tour so probably use most of those again. I Love I love everything Gucci's doing lately I. Love The whole of it love how it's kind of weird and whimsical and retro and. I love anything. That sort of seventies inspired a bit of a seventy. Kind of like you could be. John Travolta. Come porn star Little Yup on stuff. Elvis. Thank you, thank you, but it's it's. It's full like. Color coordinated so kind of a petrol blue cowboy boot. With the accord flack. Actually it's a soup. It's the same. With Code Jacket and then this gorgeous like Akwa. Greenie shuts like a mutual turn. Yes? I kinda Merman Merman. The fucking biggest diamond I've ever seen in my life. Diamond. I was thinking Christ they need to. Queen if it makes you feel like it's real. That's doing its job. Well, I believe it was row grades. Win. I'd love to know about your fans because you. You know you were kind of celebrated as being. As you say you like being different and kind of. Your, friends, you can imagine what like an army of followers they're? Really Very I feel like what my what defines my fans. Is that they a lot of them? Kind of identify sort of outsiders a bit which I love his. I am too and. I'm a Mama's boy. I have a lot of mom fans which I. I don't know what it is, I don't know why. A lot of it comes from the American idol thing I. Think and also a lot of the music that covered on American idol was classic and throwback and and I. Still Do and the Queen things so I have a lot of different ages which is great, but I have a lot of younger fans to which is awesome. When ghost town came out I was seeing all these. Kids like teenagers at chosen stuff, which was really cool while you're writing your own songs before you went on American. I was experimenting I was like I had a band for a little while like A. Super. Like rock like I, really like sort of. Light Metal, which is so not what I am into, but I was just trying. Because the guitar player was pushing me to it. And then I was on the garage band like trying to pretend like I'm gonNA produce my own track. I mean I didn't know what I was doing, but it was fun experiments I just hit. EPIC DIVA brief every time there was. A ever tried in my life exactly loves the name. And read an interview where you were saying you know you off CA. Partied company was that line Yup and it was. Maybe you were expecting another like a covers album i. think they were just trying to make some money I mean. They were like okay. We didn't make X. amount of dollars on this last project. We want to make more money and if we do it with covers. It costs less than there's less red tape and we have to this that and the other thing and I just didn't feel like the right time to do something like that. Singing covers thing on idol. Yeah, well, am I owning? I'm an artist and regardless of the commercial success. That doesn't mean that I'm lenny less of an artist. You know, and and I feel like I've had to kind of fight for that, and that's what I'm so proud of what this new project! I executive produced it. I wrote every song I'm more involved on this then I've ever been. On level, was it? Was it hard to be as involved in the beginning because you were in this kind of? Hit factory of like you know you? Thousand we nineteen for a minute after idol, and that's because you get that deal with that. Kind of put they're. Going to have a bit of banana, press I am that looks amazing. I have got some coconut yogurt in there if you want tests is. Plenty and this? This is why he slim look. This is his piece. Someone Oh my God, definitely slim. Mummy. Why are you looking at music for? No. All My Gosh it so good. We can take some home darts. Who's Oh God? Let's make peace. Adam Lambert thank you so much. Do Breakfast you thank you for this banana bread it really to take home I might take. Is really good. I wish we you'd come in the evening. We'd have Tequila. Next time next next time when they told me they're like Oh. Jesse whereas. My response might use anything. I will do anything. Whole Darling. I hope everyone enjoyed that. It was a strange one, wasn't it was unique unique that we've never had someone bring their own food in a carton and eat it and out of the couple box, but he did have the banana bread he did, and he enjoyed that, and he was very polite and he was sweet. It was a pleasure to have. Just Week Late. And always welcome back, take away. Thank you for listening the music you've heard on table. Manners is by Peter Duffy MPC Fraser. We will be back next week for more table moments special circumstances.

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Brandy Clark Has An Impressive Songwriting Resume

World Cafe

28:19 min | 1 year ago

Brandy Clark Has An Impressive Songwriting Resume

"This is World Cafe I'm rain. Adress Brandy Clark has a very impressive resume in addition to just releasing her third album. Your life is a record. She's racked up several credits. Writing records with other artists, don't did he co wrote the hit. Song Follow Your Arrow with Casey musk graves and Shane McNally. She's also written for Reba. mcentire Leann rimes Sheryl Crowe Keith. Keith Urban. The list goes on and on today. In a conversation we recorded last month. Brandy talks about her career as a songwriter about growing up near Mount, Saint Helens and about her new album, which includes duet with Randy Newman. She also perform songs from your life is a record beginning with the past is the past. This is Brandy Clark on world cafe. All and Turn the key. Advantage in that. and. Louis Yoga. You Throw. heartbreak to radio. Sweater meant seizing men. Let's. With. Amy We can work in APP turns. Maybe weekend. Memories. We May Star Kigen Aston Picture. With the WHO. Does not. Oh! Rain? used. News the lead more heartbreak. Video This is where the past. And be easing mental. With me, maybe we can work it out. Turns it maybe. This is where the. As we. Start Kitchen. No. Rain, auto. This is with. Esther! Kids. What. We say. We know. Yeah with. was. Just Let you. Julie's Room Julian. Asked. That was past is the past Brandy Clark performing a song from her new album. Your life is a record. It came back in March, Freddie. Clark is my guest today unrolled Cafe Brady I'm speaking to you via video chat while the world is isolated right now. I'm in Toronto at the moment. Where are you exactly? I'm actually in La Oh, are you? Crazy. Quarantine experience I was our self-isolation where. By album came out on March sixth, and I was fortunate enough to do some TV in New York and I think I was the last person that got to do the today. Show in studio, even and and that morning you know it was a Thursday and you could feel. There was a there was a feeling of allow. You know what's going on, but they would things. They were trying to keep things as normal as possible. But I was flying from New York to La to work on a project and while I was in the air, the project got changed to zoom like this. And when we landed, we got a text that we had been exposed to corona virus, potentially expose at both places where we did TV and so everybody that was in my camp, self isolated, and when that was over the whole world had kind of shutdown, and so I just stayed here from hoping to make it back to Nashville in the next couple of weeks as things open up and hopefully feel a little bit safer, but yeah I had. been away from home now for a couple of months. Wow, yeah! I'm speaking to Brandy. Clark! This is world cafe. I'm random Durris the next hour. We're going to hear you. Play is who you thought I was and you've said this was inspired by John. Bryan Acceptance Speech what was that speech that inspired it. Well what it was, it was the Americana awards couple years ago now, and he was there to introduce Iris dement, who was getting I? Think a lifetime achievement award, and he walked out onto the Raymond stage, and there was a podium in there was no voice of God, and for those of you who don't know what a voice of God is is like when somebody says gentlemen. You know there wasn't that he just walked out, and everybody stood up and gave him a standing ovation for a good long while. And finally he got everybody to sit down and I. Think honestly I don't know because I wasn't in his mind, his heart but. He said it was such a humble person. I feel like an attempt to not get emotional. He. He was a little bit funny, and he said watch on Prion, but I'd like to go back to be in who you thought I was. And it really hit me and I was in a point in my life, where where I was really longing at an realize it until he said it in him, it made me cry that I was really longing to be who someone had thought I was. And so hit me like as the human, and then I'll said also hit me as a songwriter sitting there amongst lots of other very talented songwriters. Wow, that's an idea. I better write down because somebody else. Find out in the high hierarchy better so I I wrote it down in my phone in win the next day and wrote it with. Jesse, Joe Dylan in Jonathan Singleton. I'm so curious how to know if there was another person in that room who was inspired by it and we have no idea, but it's like somebody wrote us is totally different, and we'll never know. And you know John. I did get I get the chance to tell him that. I didn't know him well, but I did a few I did his he the honored him. BMI and I and I was part of that, and then he I less time the last time I saw him, he I were part of a storyteller NYPD Marty Stuart. Did and I played that Song I talked about it in. He and I spoke in the dressing room. It's really. He remembered saying he said Oh yeah. I remember saying that. And so as really. I really feel good that he got to know that he inspired that. That's really special. Let's hear it now. This is Brandy Clark with who you thought I was. Campbell. Michelle Swastikas, Big. Blue. Be. Pink Cadillac. KITTEN! He's still long. There's a lot. To Do? Now. Now! Should. I'll. Close to. A. Soon. Friction. He's all its own circus. is almost. String, we don't. Believe you? And all of the. Now all. Now on A. Shoe. Two Zero There's. A. To you, stop. Now. Want the. Now. Been! To Your? Yeah. You saw. You just heard who you thought. I was brand. Clark performed that one live. It's from her new album. Your Life is a record I'm Marina Doris Speaking Brandy Clark Today on World Cafe Normally right now is speaking to in La. You live in Nashville a songwriting hub. You've done lots of songwriting for people like Miranda Lambert, share, grow. Casey must graves. There are tons more you co wrote follow. Follow Your Arrow with Casey. Musk waves it was named Song of the year by the awards in two thousand fourteen rolling stone has called it the they put it on thirty nine, th on the list of the one hundred greatest country songs up all time with that song for instance you know. How did that writing session work? Was that an early on? You guys writing together or was that a little bit later? It was a little bit later. She had made her record. Different Park or at least I thought she had and. She came in, and she wanted she'd written this poem to a friend of hers that was going to Europe for the summer I. Think it said like. Kiss lots of boys in smoke. Lots of joints volume ero. That was that was it. And she wanted to turn that into a song and I remember her saying you'd be cool like you know I I'd love to have arrows in the artwork, and so we wrote the song and then. Shame played. They went in, and they cut follow your Ero, and he played it for me and I was like wow, that sounds really great, and he said well. I mean that the good news is. It's on the album. Bad News is it's knocking this other song that we wrote off the album and that song the song knocked off was kind of the song I thought. If I'm going, get a single on this record. It's this song. So spa bombed, but I was really proud of follow. Your Arrow and I've been really proud of all the stuff done Casey but I was really proud of that one in in. It's funny. It just goes to show you. You know it didn't have being single, and it wasn't wasn't technically a hit single, but it did more for all of us in continues to do more for all of us. Then hit would've done I mean. When people find out I've written, follow your Arrow. It's like I've written bridge over troubled water or something. You know it's just like means a lot means a lot more to people than I really even realize I. Think I think it was a bit of a game changer I think for a lot of people Lena. Well, let's into a bit of follow your. Arrow this is Casey must graves. Near just by. Than you're on. So, pass! Lots. That's follow your Arrow from Casey. Bus Graves album same trailer different Park, a song co written by my guest. Today Brandy Clark her new album. Your life is a record is out now. There's a special guest on this album that I need to ask you about on the song bigger boat. It is a duet that song that you sing with Randy Newman So, what were the reasons that you really felt like randy? Newman would work for this other than the fact that he could sing in the right key. Well and I didn't know if he could and that was one I was like. This is GonNa work for anybody. Well I thought the sensibility was similar to him. There is a bit of levity in it in I thought musically. Him that he could. In what and also thought he could play with malady which he did in make more him even changed a line lyrically oh. Yeah, didn't. He say that he wouldn't do it? If you if there's a curse word in it? Yes, and he wanted to change that yeah, is it okay to person here? We can bleep it I would love to know what lyric was that? He changed, so it was the lyric that's now give me that Hammer. Somebody home my coat. It was been hitting the fan a little closer to home. And so in his life is better, and he said you know I think my lines better. I don't WanNa see. I said Okay and it all worked out. I do love how instead of just changing like. The word. To something else. He changed the whole line which is like? Oh yeah, and he really did. Make it better I mean. You know he's talking about building a bigger boat. Where does about what's wrong and he's talking about how to fix it? And, that's why he is he is. I'm speaking to Brandy Clark rolled cafe. I'm Marina Doris here. Is Brandy Clark and Randy Newman unrolled caffeine the ranch. Bro. Poke. Bigger. Dow. Jones. Mom. Cool! That was a clip of bigger boat featuring randy newman brandy new album. Your Life is a record I'm speaking to Brandy Clark. About that record on World Cafe I'm Marina Doris now brandy with version. She recorded Fort World Cafe. This is bigger boat. All. Town with me. List by. The rich rich. Risk is little more grow. DOWSE! Sound. Turn. Scares you? Somebody all. Gone? Wall! We. Should be. This is. This. Syrian. Cancer. Sits thing in me. Cigarettes well. We're, gone. Bigger. Own. wiki. Can. WHO SHOULD BE? We. This. Spraying. Gama. Young. Sharp Sue. Thank. Movie. Own, That was Brandy Clark. With bigger boat recorded live for world cafe. That song is on her new album. Your life is a record and I'd like to talk about your life a little bit. You moved to Nashville to make music, but you grew up in a town called Morton. Washington. It's about two hours south of Seattle. I was wondering. You know it's not too far. Morten not far from Mount. Saint Helens and the volcano erupted forty years ago this month. and you would have been really little at the time, but do you remember anything about that? It's funny. You would ask me that because it was this week. The anniversary is also my grandma's birthday. In my best, my longest friend in life's birthday, it's my first memory. Really Yeah, I don't know how much of it is really my memory, and how much of it is stories but I remember it me night I remember watching cartoons in my mom, putting my brother and I on the cards. My Dad's out running and the windshield wipers couldn't keep up with the hot ash. That was how hitting the windshield, and also remember my grandma, who was really quite a character in was very obsessed with Mount Saint Helen's. Standing on her porch, smoking a cigarette, one hand out in a hot mud would hit it, and she would pull it back in like have we won? Ice went to that because at smoke was going inter I didn't want to like. Take cigarette out of her mouth, because too enthralled, coming out of the sky at the time. I remember my grandma had chickens in I. Remember the chickens coming back out later that day because you know. It was like it was dark. And it was so as the sun came back up again and so the chickens were super confused I. Remember all of that. I'm talking to Brandy Clark on world cafe. Speaking of your family the next one. We're going to hear in the last time we're going to hear from. You is called Pawn Shop. But I know that your uncle owned upon shop, and it seems like really fertile ground for songwriting, because everybody who walks into a pawnshop would have a different story. Every verse in the Song tells a story of a different person. Are The stories and people in this song based on real things that you witnessed. I don't know these characters personally but. They're kind of the off. Told Tales. You know a lot of people come in their wedding ring in Nashville, a lot of people have depan an instrument. And that to me, those those two, those two characters are very very sympathetic for me. One is the death of a relationship, and the other is a death of a dream, and then I'm really proud of wrote this with troy verges really proud of what we did with that bridge because you know. There's a little hope they're like. Is the thing about a pawnshop is one man's trash, or is another man's treasure or one man's broken dream is the beginning of someone else's street I mean somebody might come in and get that ring to propose to somebody and that guitar be some Kids First Guitar like that's what is amazing about a pawnshop. Yea, I think you're right I. Think People do have a tendency to think of pawnshops is kind of like Oh. That's like more of a sad place in a happy place, but it's true like the. They wouldn't exist. If people weren't coming in to buy those things as well, that's very true. So We're GONNA. Take a listen to it right now. Brandy Clark playing pawn shop unrolled cafe. Pushed. cintel the that it's worth. Sure. Eight. Someone tell me cost. Home. On. Show? He walked. Give me fit. This young mass towns just watching me again. Saying don't the. Kids. Buckle scratch she. based. Hey. Me Cost. Cross Back! Upon the Shah. Show. James. Within their Bro. that. Starting. Start Someone. Kostov. Cross. Show. Brandy Clark recorded live at world. Cafe that song is called Pong Up. It is on her new album. Your life is a record. You can get that album. It is out now. Brandy Clark has been my guest today. Thank you so much, you. This is great. This is so much fun. Thanks, so you can come back anytime. Thought. I render is back in a moment on cafe.

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Mason and Ireland HR 2: A New Song

Mason & Ireland

41:54 min | 1 year ago

Mason and Ireland HR 2: A New Song

"He by the way. What do you think of Jason Alexander's version of New York state of mind? Forty-nine percent awesome fifty one percent terrible. Yeah it's terrible. Virtually dead fifty fifty so you were only half right and I have only half fright Chari. Yeah that's it is such A. That's an even split all right. So Lindsey I think has a song that was a play. Yeah I I was just kind of thinking about talking about like the musical aspect of it and whether or not there's any talent involve which John John Agrees with me that there is really not much to it. So there is an actual. La Legend that sat at home and recorded a song with just nothing else but him and his piano. Fantastic so French. If you could play that that'd be great. That's that's not the one just a piano. That was about six inches. None of them were piano. We'll see that's the one that our listeners. Just send US okay. Yeah glitter the listener one and you can tell behind the scenes. Which what you want but Gordon play that one own bath. Seven hundred people keep the same quality shore and socks Kamal Shah Allen. Show show a man. Isn't it harder for song that George Costanza sitting on the floor playing the piano? That is what I'm talking about. Who is that? That did that so that was setting by one of our listeners. James Wolfe Jamie that you killed it man. I guarantee you. We will play that often. I I will buy James Wolf's next album now you have to admit that. What did he say about you at the end he said? Lindsay's better than Burn Biz. Bergman Lindsey I don't mean to take away your compliment. It wasn't a very high bar to clear off shot in Bourbon at the very end. Now we're definitely going to play that saw. How did he get that to you? He emailed it to you. Well he emailed it to me. He had me on twitter and told me like. Hey I got. I'm working on and I want to thank you guys like email to if you have a song that good d- Are you or your DM's Open Lindsay. Yeah Yeah Okay so you can diem. Lindsey you may open to ideas are also okay so you can either Lindsey or Mason minor close. But you can. You can either one of those guys and if you have song that was excellent way you after admit. That's better than Jason Alexander Way Better. Well Yeah I mean. He's he's producing a whole big thing. I mean Jason Alexander. Just sitting there at a piano doing his thing. Yeah being James Wolf. I mean that guy is a. He's a genius. That will hostak often. Twitter we we should shout him out on twitter. It's J. M. Z. W. O. L. F. F. On twitter that is excellent man that are talented and sitting at their house at the piano. That other one that we could play. It's not as great news. Kim's allowed no. That's great. That's great no. He's great now that that sounds like Randy Newman was. That Newman Dawson was actually randy. Newman yeah it is. He's sitting at his house in front of his piano playing Alexander. I would listen to Mason. That's the difference between a good sit at a piano by yourself song and a Hacky Song. Well here you go this. The difference is it's George Costanza doing it. The Bra Is Different Than Randy. Newman Randy Newman is a that? You shared George Costanza with the show. Lindsey shared Randy Newman with data By the way I would love to Newman but James Wolfe saugus better myself. I'm not I'm not gonNA argue with you there. What's what's James Wolves twitter handle? It's not G. J M Z. Walk with an extra effort the end okay James Wolfe tweet out a link to that James. Because we will definitely retreat. We'll we'll rate so if you can compose the song. This is a good way to pass time if you can compose a song if you're like an independent band and you're looking to perform or you play the keyboards you play the guitar. Send US something a song that resembles something like what James Wolfe did or what Randy Newman did and dm either me or Lindsey. We'll give you an email address and you can email the MP three to us. That's that's great. That's great. Get blown up on itunes already because they put it on this morning or something which one James wolfer ready to randy. Newman's Oh yeah I would I would. They were both on I tunes. I'd get them both ladies and gentlemen boys and girls be prepared to be blown away in a tornado of words because coming up next is the one and only Bill Walton. Yes it is a tornado of words next Mason in Ireland seven ten. Espn I seven to ten ESPN Mason Ireland. One of the most entertaining guys we know is the Great Hall of Famer. Bill Walton. Who is up to good tomorrow? It's a week from tomorrow. Saturday and Saturday. Twenty fifth a big fundraiser for victims of Cova Nineteen and joining us. Right now is Bill Walden. Bill how are you man? I am alive and we will get by and we real survive. I am be with John Steve here. We Go E. S. P. N. Loss Angeles. What's going on guys nil. It's a pleasure to have you as always and I'm glad to hear you're still riding your bike. Can this time. You're going to write it for not one but four good causes and they're calling this an intergalactic initiative bike for humanity. And how to dig it? Was this something that they came to you. Did you go to them? How did we get to the INTERGALACTIC initiative bike for humanity? John we were brainstorming. Because we are all people of action we are not the kind of folks who sit around and wait for game of life to come to us and so we said look. We have to do something folk so our message bike for humanity. We have a fantastic website bike for humanity dot com our messages hope health community and service in support of those in need. And so what we're doing is we're having a virtual event now it's ongoing not any one particular time although we're saying it's going to be a week from tomorrow. Saturday April Twenty Fifth. And what we're asking people to do is sign up it's free. It's free a free. The sign up even more free to participate the only thing we asked the day after you go out and get some exercise doing whatever you can whatever you want. They'll specific rules here but this is all about raising consciousness raising awareness and raising resources for for most critical organizations. That are in the frontlines right now because we identified needs immediate needs urgent needs. And that's feeding people and that's also healthcare and then the healthcare workers so we have partnered with feeding America. We have partnered with Father Jos villages. Which is the stalwart of all. Good things in the world and then that's on the side and then on the healthcare side champions for health which is an organization volunteer doctors and health care workers nurses scientists social workers. They are they identify the hotspots out there and they rush in there and risked everything they risk their lives and they don't have the equipment and so they need champions for health. Is the organization on one side and then the equipment side is getting uh US p. p. e. Dot Org p. p. e. the personal protective equipment that. We have to have imagine John. If we went to a basketball game there was no ball. And you couldn't play. Imagine if you went to broadcast and there was no microphone. No headsets no engineering equipment. Imagine if the doctors get there and there's nothing there for them to use the tools of their equipment so this is a grassroots campaign here that is focusing on the power and the value of sports. She's right now. There's a hard rain down out there. John and it's long motion roads. That were all bright. Light is a virtual arrive. We're we're going to be shepherd together forever because the community the strength of the team think of all the challenges in this covert nineteen this is the toughest and most daunting opponent that I have ever faced an. Im healthiest can be. Unfortunately our entire family is healthy as can be but John. This is the twenty first twenty one times that I have had to start all the way over because my whole life of sports entertainment corporate business. That's only evaporated. And so I have a duty and responsibility and obligation because of the privilege that I have with my own good health something that I worked on constantly to get out there and be the front guy and so partnering with Events Dot Com for humanity. Absolutely a very special very important and critically needed urgent situation there so pleased. Won't you come with this? Dream is alive. This dream is real. We are capitalizing on the people that we know the passion that we have and the purpose that drives us to be better as good for you man rail so describe how people actually join. What are what are your expectations? All in the website bike for humanity dot com spelled out. Do I need to it? Yeah we got a bike for humanity dot com. And it's all right there. There's pictures there's links there sign up. There's tons prizes involved for people who do actually donate and stuff. Pictures Medals The top prize. Is that there. Are you know if you donate enough? You gotta come and get a free trip to San Diego and you get a ride. I get to ride my bike with you. That's awesome. Hey Bill let me. Let me ask you this. You are one of the most positive guys. I know. You have a great outlook on life. Mason and I have been trying to stay positive throughout this whole thing and try and inject a little enthusiasm and hope every day we get to come on the radio. How do you stay positive in a time like this? I have learned the hard way that fear and anxiety and being afraid being scared. Those are natural. Those are common. Those are to be expected. I mean this is a devastating scenario. We are facing right now. This is life and death for all of us. This is our world. This is our community. I have learned though that when you're afraid when you're scared when you're anxious when you're up against it don't just sit there and think about it do something and that's why we started bang for. Bake for humanity because there are tons of things going on. There's fantastic people out there. Doing remarkable work on every front. And we're not tied to take anything from anybody we are in this together. I am grateful. I am grateful for this opportunity to be the front person when you're on a team. Everybody takes their turn at the front. I am healthy. I work on my health nutrition hydration hygiene. I exercised constantly in the water in the weight room. On my bike I listened to the music. I work in the garden. I read my books. I'm with my family but with while I'm incredibly fortunate and privileged and Optimistic About Our Future. We will get by. We will survive. I'm also sad heartbroken by the people who just are losing everything. They lost their health. They're dying they're alone and jobs are just evaporated in gone and then there's other people out there who were just denying that this is even happening and enduring the facts and the science and they're denying access to the public services that people have to have in the food and the voting and the healthcare and then the betrayal betrayal and people who are out there ignoring all the rules and guidelines the CDC. Because because everything we're doing it by bike for humanity is in one hundred percent compliance with the. Cdc We work with them constantly. This is not a group. Ride is working alone together forever. But when people do not follow the rules when they do not follow social distancing policies and they do not follow the shelter in place and stay at home mandates. Here they are intensifying. The problem and they are prolonging the problem. And we WANNA do everything we can get through this as safely as healthy as possible and then after we get the food to the people through bike for humanity dot com after we get people the medical care who are losing their healthcare insurance and their access to healthcare systems and stuff. Then we're GONNA rebuild and re sent our entire world and community we. We'll get by. We will survive. We are alive and when I'm looking forward to is the days when we're GONNA have a healthcare system that serves everybody working conditions and benefits allow people to have the identity and the self esteem and the pride that comes with having a real job out there and then the nutrition that allows us the exercise in the lifestyle that allows us as individuals to be as healthy as we possibly can noting that the strength of the team is the strength of the individual and we are all about community and then the sustainability issues of how we live and how we produce our energy and how we take care of the clean air and clean water and all the things that we have to have to keep going. We are alive. We are bike for humanity so so bill. I want to ask you one last. Let me go you ask me all you want to do. I'm ready to go here today so I wanna ask you one last question I can ask you. I can ask you this normally. I couldn't ask your guest this but given what we're going on what's going on in the world right now. How do you view this spiritually as a challenge for all of US Steve? I view it as crumbling of the foundation and now the earth is weeping. The Earth is failing. And when you think of our world the world that we live in with the pinnacle or their staple center. We'RE THERE UP CHASE CENTER. We're Pauley pavilion. We're on the airplanes. Were just on ago constantly and we are celebrating the greatness of life and everything is wonderful but now all of a sudden all of that is gone whenever there is failure at the top. It's always about our leadership and it's always about the team and the elements of leadership that come into play right now as we try to rebuild our foundation because the foundation is the key everything and the leadership right now the doctors and the scientists who know who know what it takes to get this done. We have to listen to the coaches game. Plan number two. What are the elements of team? I'M GONNA put a few of them out there. We'll start with John. Williams Pyramid of success the Middle Three blocks in the foundation and the bottom friendship loyalty cooperation. You can add empathy and compassion to that as well and then what makes a group dynamic? What makes a team work honor sacrifice and discipline and honour described as when you're at the fork in the Road What is the morally ethically? Correct choice to take for the betterment of the team sacrifice this is going to take longer and hurt more than any of us. Want and then disciplinary. How we do anything is how we do everything. And that's why we are just focused on every little bit because we don't know where we are in this challenge in this struggle. It changes everyday all you have to do. Just follow the news of the day from the morning into lunch is totally different and so what we have to do is understand except embraced this life of uncertainty that we all live on a regular basis. That's the nature of our entertainment and sports and corporate business. There are no guarantees. Were you just want the chance? Never forget that the only thing more meaningless than a partial score of a game the final score of an exhibition game I exhibition. This is as serious as it's been for any of us and that's why we are for humanity that's why we are ESP. Well born you bill. It's great to hear Your Voice Man. It's great to see or hear you healthy and you're doing great things bike for humanity and and we'll be rooting for you and look forward to having you back onto to talk sports when we get through all this stuff we will get by. We will survive. We are alive. We are bike for humanity. Does A- bill go along play on. Espn on carry on the go. All the Great Bill I get a lot of tweets with people saying that. Bill should bill and other sports not just basketball because he would be great. You know like in a blowout game like a blow out of any other sport. He would let the great pleasures of him doing a college basketball game and having to be a blow out and have bill. Just riffing on on life and spirituality and it's one thing about Bilas MEET. He does run. He runs on this. Great train of positivity on optimism. Now talking about we're doing the Jason Alexander Poll and you were. You were moved by it and you thought it was awesome and I just thought it was terrible. That's that's how people are with bill like if when I tweet. Bill Bill is is on a is having one of his best night ever. He's all right. You should see the response I get. It's half people like bill together. Hafer like he's killing the game. You can't let them talk Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah. He's one of those guys that breaks hot and cold with everybody either. Love them or you can't stand him. I've always loved them. I've always loved the guy. He's awesome all right. He's one of the original hippies corrupt in about nineteen grateful dead references in that interview. I don't know if you could tell a very good. They're all there. I coming up next for you. Get some more voicemails. We want to play for you and also we got time to take a caller to eight seven. Seven seven ten. Espn you can hashtag ask Mason in Ireland. We've got some good ones those and we've got five o'clock fasttrack we're GONNA see your shadow coming up to show that's right. We're we're loaded today. Mason Ireland Seventeen. Espn I Mason Ireland show. It is Friday getting ready for a big weekend of doing very much the same thing that we've been doing all week long. Fridays used to be little bit different a little bit of effort Friday now every day which pretty much f every day so thanks for joining US bike for humanity dot com. I think I'm GONNA do it. John What do you say you're GONNA do it? The bike for humanity thing humanity. Yeah and you can do it at any time. And it's virtual sure why not get a free autograph. Bill Walton Picture. That's perfect that's perfect so the WNBA draft is tonight and it's going on as we speak and something very moving and something very emotional. Just happened John Describing. Yeah they nailed it in the beginning of the draft and of course it's completely virtual draft this kind of a preview of what we're going to see what the NFL draft on Thursday. They decided to open the draft with three honorary graphics. Now the New York Liberty had the first pick in the draft so they basically just said. We're GONNA wait to announce the traditional first pick in the draft and the first three players to be taken in this year's draft in alphabetical order. Were ELISSA ULTA belly John Bryant and Peyton Chester the the three girls who were killed in the Kobe Bryant helicopter tragedy and they had one of their parents basically speak for them since they are obviously no longer alive and the person that spoke for G G was her mom Vanessa French. I know you were trying to pull that up to you. Have time to turn that around. Yeah got it. Okay here. Is Vanessa Bryant after her daughter was just drafted at the top of the WNBA draft. Thank you so much for honoring. My digi selecting her to be an honorary draft. Pick this year would have been a dream. Come true for her. She worked tirelessly every single day. She wanted to be one of the greatest athletes of all time. Sacred natty thank you thank you for honoring my little girl. Koby and gee-gee loved the WNBA sweatshirt. Thank you I want to congratulate. All this year's draft picks so congratulations work hard. Never settle her mom mentality and and it wasn't just Vanessa was all the parents all the kids in the first pick. Sabrina S Q out of Oregon was of course. Jiji's favorite player. And if I may senator if you've ever seen her play but if you watch her she has all of Kobe's mannerisms you can tell that she's worked with him. She's got his step back. She's got his fade away. These two by the way obviously because Judy was learning from her dad but but Sabrina had figured out a way to incorporate all that into her game and she was actually a more. She's more like Lebron than Kobe. In terms of statistics she she had a ton of more triple doubles than anybody in women's College Basketball History and this past season twenty five of them and and she's going to New York. She's going to be the first pick so good for the WNBA for recognizing those girls. Because I know that was John his dream and it was kind of Fund who honored at the top. All right. So we'll we'll we'll go a little less heavy. Here are our listener. Voicemail line is open. We just started this couple of weeks ago. The number is five three zero three seven seven six seven ten or if it's easier to remember five three zero. Espn seven ten and we keep the line open. Twenty four hours. If you don't have time to wait on line or you don't have time to email or tweet us. You can always leave us. Voicemails French what do we have today? So I have a new drinking game Every time Ireland interrupts or speaks over Mason or the or anyone else I take a shot when the within the first fifteen minutes hammered. Especially now that we're all in different places. Yeah because it's it's hard to get a word in edgewise. If you don't speak up or if you're Mir Lindsey well I mean I could. It's easier not to talk. Yeah I know I love that Arnold. Try for the rest of the sacred. I love that. So so Lynn voicemail. Someone left that where they did like a rap for its okay. Well I'll wrap for sleep all right so since we were like hip hop. I figure this is a good segue to his show. If you're run the drive from the five to four or five to ten dial into seven ten espn at six p. m. after Mason and Ireland. Tune-in that the eight double L. E. N. Robert Percents to know what happened in around him. Just listening and place your bet on the show. Slow down for Lihua at sunset. Yeah we were. We were Yup but yeah. But there's pretty good yeah. I liked that I liked that John. How do you rate that one? It's a lot hyper densely ways. It's way hip princely with. Sleep is much more. Nice talking to Chris Morales Today I worry about Chris. He's out there. Why I like Chris. I don't know he's out. There seems like he's flying solo out there Christmas such as Chris of all the people the station. He may be the most social like he goes. He's the one that's losing the most in this quarantine status. He goes to hang out you know. He sees his dad all the time he sees so he's really sort of locked up. Gad. Mutuel Morales say radio legend in Los Angeles absolutely. So he's sort of locked up there. He seems to be doing. Okay Chris's on the optimistic side of things on the optimistic side of things. He I think that there are some people who just have cast this in a negative way. I actually thought I love Clinton Clinton Great Guy but I thought he came down a little on the negative side of things. Didn't you yeah well and there are a lot of people you know plug we. We're talking about bill plachy declaring sports dead in Los Angeles for the rest of the year. We did tweets from guy every time. We try and preach positivity says today we had another one whole Paul you selfish and then a word. I can't read finally get a clue that we're nothing like Korea in terms of how they protect players were getting sports back with minimal changes. It has to be safe. We're not getting sports back in twenty twenty accept it Wa Bubba testing not readily available. You can look at it like that but mark. My point is always this. It's GonNa Change weekly if not daily weekly if not daily. The you know the situation changes I watch. Maes your watch Erin Burnett on CNN. Yeah out out front with Aaron Bruch so last night even for Ned had a guy on from England and this guy can you guys can google it and look it up. This guy says he has a vaccine. He was very convincing he. They have already tested on animals. It worked on them. They are testing the vaccine now on small groups normally. If you have a vaccine test group You keep the group small five to ten people because obviously if they have side effects you want to minimize the pain that these tests go through sure at this one has already elevated long pass that and they now have a test group of five hundred people and and this guy was very confident that he has a covert nineteen vaccine that will be in effect in next twelve months. And you know who knows if he's right. It could be an and we can get a vaccine out into the marketplace and in we're able to mass produce it and this. I encourage everybody to watch US interview because this guy was very confident. Well here's the thing we've got now. The greatest minds the greatest scientific minds in every country around the world searching for this answer right now and tell you. There was one company whose stock went way up. Yesterday I'm trying to think which one it is. But because they feel like they're onto it they feel like they're really really close and you know this is one of those ones where because the defense production act where the government can literally takeover factories like they did for two and World War One. They can literally commandeer factories to be able to generate these vaccines in individual doses. So that they can be distributed quickly. I mean yeah I mean I think that's the answer to everything is there's A. There's a drug out of Japan who's WHO's that has shown promise in just treating the symptoms in helping to the symptoms wants. Somebody has cova once. We have a good treatment. Not even if it goes to a vaccine but once we have a good treatment it changes everything if you get it. There's a way to mitigated so it becomes more like a flu. Made a matter of fact maybe even. Adl maybe more important than a vaccine. It's so we choose to look at it differently than other people do. We're we're we're optimistic and if you can you can be pessimistic about it and maybe it will turn out to be right but I have is. Just get a chance to turn out to be right as you do. I coming up next. We'll do our senior shoutout and then at the top of the hour. Five o'clock fasttrack. Yes Mason and Ireland seven ten. Espn where the idea of drive home. I'm not sure that makes sense anymore. Driving Home I more and more people by the way listening to US ON THEIR SMART SPEAKERS. I get every time I mention it. I'll get another. Dm from somebody says yeah all they do say. Hey Alexa I listen to you ask in Los Angeles and you get the you get the show right on your your Alexa. It's really easy to listen now and we've had a really fun week. We've had really cool people. We had Jon Hamm on the show which was cool. We had Paul reubens on the show which was cool Bill Walton was just a really great guy as always on the show very enthusiastic. There are a lot of a lot of cool stuff going on on the radio every day and again unlike some people and by the way some people you're entitled to be negative you're tired to be anti gun anti getting back that's your that's your own prerogative but we choose to be optimistic. We CHOOSE TO BE POSITIVE. We choose to be enthusiastic. We're GONNA do this every single day until we get our sports back to whatever degree we can get them back as soon as possible and one of the things we've been doing is recognizing seniors guys who are seniors girls who are seniors in either high school or College. They kind of got their senior years. Cut Short most likely no graduation ceremony no senior prom. A lot of the spring athletes didn't get to compete and online with us right now is eight and lead from Peninsula High School eight and I did. I pronounce your last name correctly. It's L. I. E. I get right isn't Leib. Yeah okay well. Congratulations first of all on on making it through high school and you compete. Now when somebody gave me a list of all the events you compete in. I don't know if I've ever seen anybody who does as much as you do. Four hundred meters one ten hurdles three hundred meter hurdles shot put discus high jump and long jump. You competed in all of those events at the same meets not at the same meet but over a period of time. Because you're only allowed to do for events one meet in high school track and field and let the doing decathlon pentathlon tap on qualify for the decathlon or. Are you doing enough to decathlon? Unfortunately California doesn't let highschoolers throw the Javelin so I would have to to me out of state to get a javelin mark to qualify for the decathlon and I was never able to do that in high school. So you're you're at peninsula high. How many meets did you get to participate in before? They pulled the plug on school competing officially four peninsula. I only got to compete in one. Yeah that's what I figured. I heard you work with my guy. Kelvin Gamble right the trainer. Yeah Yeah he's my one coach. Yeah and WHO's a great guy and and I've been trying to get Mason to go see Kelvin. But maybe Mace when when they let us out to actually see other people into shape but degrade coach so Aden. Tell me what your. What your aspirations now. You're obviously going to graduate. And you get your. I assume you're going onto university. What what are your plans? I was at Come run track at Ucla the signing period just opened up again April fifteenth starting with two days ago. So I'm looking to run track at. Ucla man it's a great school and you and you would have a great time there and then of course you get to stay the best part about that Aden is. You're close enough to home or you can visit your friends and family but far enough away in Westwood where you could be on your own. What are you interested in studying? If if if track and field doesn't work out for you on a professional level what would you like to do? I'm looking at human biology and society. I just think it sounds really interesting and you know the better. I know my body the better. I can train it so well. That sounds like human biology. Sounds almost like would you be dealing with stuff and like pandemics and stuff like this? I think a little bit. Yeah Yeah because that would be fascinating and age and we had a guy on the other day. Another different senior wanted to go into kinesiology. That's related to what you're talking about right a little bit. I was actually looking at that but they don't offer kinesiology at UCLA. So I had to do a little bit of shifting Well remember a lot of what they call breadth requirements at UCLA. Aidan take the Take the jazz classes music. One thirty two and one thirty to be better. Mind the you'll you'll become fans of music and it's not too hard to pass if you know what I mean. Yeah Yeah Hey listen aiden. Congratulations on a great High School experience and a great high school career. And we look forward to seeing. What's GonNa come for you at the next level man? We lose them. Sounds like we did but we got most of that in good for him poisoned by it. Human Biology History Major. What did you major in? I majored in. Nobody ever believes it but I majored in popular culture. I believe that you know more about pop culture than anybody. Yeah Yeah No. It's Bowling Green. Had a college of Pop culture and exist still exists in fact six other universities now. It was the first one in the country now. Six other universities have got colleges of pop culture. So my my degree Izabela last Bachelor of liberal studies you can eliminate the L. I graduated in BS. I was GONNA say Batra of studies summarizes you perfectly The the interesting Lakewood back then like if you think pop culture now if you think about reality. Tv and websites and all news networks Cable News Networks. None of that existed when you were in school. So what was it typical class for you? We watched a lot of movies and talked about the should say. You majored in Steve Mason. Yeah no watched a ton of movies watch. The ton of old television studied for example. The history of baseball cards word. They started how they get started. Studied the history of The Barbie Doll. When did it start? How did it work? We studied old movies from the thirties and the forties and what they meant culturally like for example. We got a second So for example screwball comedies. Were a big deal in the nineteen thirties. Movies like it happened one night and it was during the Great Depression and all. Those screwball comedies generally involved. Somebody who didn't have money in somebody who did and they fall in love and offered people hope because they realize that it was still possible even though they were completely impoverished and on bread lines that if they fell in love with the right person it could still completely changed their lives. Screwball comedies. Offered hope to people who didn't have any money and we're struggling so those are the kind of it was putting movies into a historical context that that the B. L. A. B. L. S. four so. Yeah no I love that degree and it I mean movies are have always been my my favorite thing. I love going to the movies. It's killing me. Not being able to go to the movies one says once a week. We're watching movies home. But he says once a week I should just drive over to the landmark. And pretend I'm going in. I have the experience of actually going even though I can't go in and see a movie but that's I feel very locked up by that but there's been great stuff. It's it's amazing now. The number of movies you can go back and watch you know. I went back. I mentioned the other day when we had the rotten tomatoes scion. I don't know if you've ever seen the movie the conversation with Gene Hackman and and John Castle but it's fantastic movie directed by Francis Ford Coppola. It was nominated for best picture this same year that the godfather part two was nominated for best picture and the same year. That Chinatown was nominated for best picture track but it is a great great movie and resonates really well even today. So there's all kinds of great stuff you can go out and do a movie history class right now and learn a whole bunch of movies. You've never seen before. There is my my preaching for my degree. Okay COMING UP NEXT. His degree. Inaction five o'clock fasttrack. That's up next for you mason an Ireland seven ten espn.

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020: The Top 10 Movie Moments That Make This Tough Guy Weep

The Doofus Dad Podcast

10:14 min | 1 year ago

020: The Top 10 Movie Moments That Make This Tough Guy Weep

"This is the Doofus Dad podcast where we explore the fairly dangerous and much-maligned state of. Fatherhood. Envy twenty-first-century. If what modern media tells us is true. Then to know a dad is to know a doofus hosted by me, Mark Johnson the most accomplished doofus of all. In today's episode, I'll give you the top ten movie moments that make this tough guy week. Wait. I ran across one of my favorite movies, the natural, the other night and as usual got sucked in and watch the whole thing. I've probably seen it like thirty five times as I found myself wiping away tears at the end I landed on the idea to write this post, which was actually published a few years ago. Aging. Is Weird in multiple ways not just the obvious ones like losing hair where you wanted and growing it where you don't as if troublesome physical changes aren't enough I find that I'm becoming. Well. A woman. Not In the Bruce Caitlin Jenner sense mind you but. Really. It seems that my standard big tough guy no cry rule is going by the wayside. In fact, I can get misty and practically anything these days. So much that my kids enjoy watching me instead of the movie if they think I might get weepy, which then makes me mad and weepy at the same time. So in the spirit of full disclosure, I thought I'd just embraced this phenomenon by listing the top movie moments or scenes that make me hide my face a couch pillow. Number ten about the last ten minutes of Sergeant York the movie from Nineteen Forty. One. I've always been touched by Gary Coopers humble portrayal of World War One hero. Sure. It's Hollywood and the accent is a little corny. But Cooper plays it with the quiet straightforward dignity that is authentic and wonderful. It also helps that tiny hometown of Pell mell Tennessee is also one of my favorite places and I have good friends there number nine, the last shot of scrooge. Nineteen, seventy-one with Albert Finney as he tells the Marley door knocker that he's going to spend Christmas Day with my family. This is my favorite version of the Dickens classic in Finney is heartbreakingly sweet and awkward as the Changed Scrooge. I never miss watching it every year I'm reaching for the pillow. Number Eight. The Natural Nineteen eighty-four as Roy, Hobbs or Robert Redford circles the bases through the falling sparks in Wilford grimly looks on in disbelief from the dugout. This is the type of seeing that gets is where they live. It. Is the ultimate sports victory moment in Bramley expression is one of I'm witnessing something that will never happen again. The fact that Roy Hobbs was inspired to crush that home run because he just found out that he had a son and the son was watching from the stands amps it up several notches. Randy Newman's thundering epic score raises every hair in my ears because that's where they are now and makes the whole scene breathtaking. I can choke up just listening to the soundtrack alone. Damn you Randy Newman. Number seven wonderful life nineteen forty-six. When the housekeeper Annie donates her husband money, which makes Donna Reed laugh slash cry. Also when Harry Bailey enters the room some of these choices are pretty obvious. I'll admit and this scene is one of them. I. Love How good the townspeople conquers evil, Mr Potter, in such a small poignant way. I also love how Harry forfeits would should have been a hero's welcome for himself by focusing all his attention on his big brother George. Number. Six field of dreams. Nineteen eighty nine when Kevin Costner asked for a catch with his dad. Yeah, it's plainly obvious in. Yeah. The movie is known for this but I had to list at anyway it's a guy thing. You see ladies until that moment neither Costner nor his dad had acknowledged the fact that this was his father and then of course, all those years of regret dissolve away in a simple game of catch. Sure his dad is a ghost, but we can overlook this minor detail. Number five Apollo Thirteen, nine, hundred, ninety, five when the capsule makes it through re entry in mission control erupts in. Cheers. Again. This is pure guy stuff. We love victory. We love when guys cheer and give each other Bro hugs. We love when the toughest guy it Harris's character dissolves into tears. If just for a moment, we love the Brash American spirit of the nineteen sixty space race and most of all, we love it when Tom Hanks survives. An. Honorable Mention is the final shot of the right stuff when Gordo Cooper rockets into space as the greatest pilot anyone had ever seen. Number Four Saving Private Ryan Nineteen Ninety eight when the old man version of Ryan asks his wife if he's been a good man. First of all Tom Hanks did not survive. That's sucky fact number one. Any scene were Tom Hanks dies is just uncalled for. Sake fact number two is that Ryan had apparently gone through life tortured by the question of whether he had lived up to the sacrifices made by Sergeant Miller Hanks and the other members of the outfit who hadn't lived through the mission. As an old man who should be happy Ryan still questions his own survival many years later. I've personally known veterans who were exactly like this old man and it is heartbreaking. This may be a movie, but it is certainly not fictional. Number three Mr Holland's opus nineteen ninety-five when the governor introduces Mr Holland's masterpiece in pulls back the curtain to reveal the. Orchestra. This is where I go full on. Ugly. Wheat mode. As, a musician who spin around fifteen years trying to make it in the music business, I can very much relate to Richard Dreyfuss his character in this for all his former students to give him this gift upon his forced retirement and to see his reaction Richard Dreyfuss is awesome. is like someone pounding me in the heart with an emotional sledgehammer? Number to lonesome Dove Nineteen, eighty nine when gus dies with woodrow at his bedside. You don't have to be a guy or a lover of Westerns to Saab at this scene, you just have to be human. Gus mccrae might be the single most endearing character ever created either in a book or film. Larry mcmurtry Pulitzer Prize winning novel is my favorite book ever gusts is the greatest character in Robert. Duvall is the greatest actor. But what makes this scene? So incredibly difficult is Tommy Lee Jones. His character woodrow call is for most of the movie tough, ornery and emotionless. But to lose his oldest and closest friend is just about more than woodrow can handle. My wife Holly wasn't right for about a week after seeing this for the first time, we tried to discuss it afterwards, but we only sounded like a couple of toads croaking at each other it was bad. By the way I know this was a TV miniseries and not a movie but this is my list so I can do whatever I want. And the number one moment that makes this tough guy weep from Monsters Inc in two thousand one. When Sully Sees Boo at the end I save this for number one because everyone in my family loves the fact that it makes me cry. hilarious animated movies aren't supposed to make us cry right I suppose. So but this one ruthlessly breaks the rules. Sully is essentially me. Big. Gruff often grumpy but really just a big softy and sometimes I wear purple POLKA DOTS to. I have a daughter now, a teenager who used to be a little girl like boo and sully being forced to say goodbye to her forever near the end of the movie. Had Me in a fetal position when I first saw it. But then when Mike surprises sully with booze door at the expense of his poor splintering hands and then sully gets to peek in her room and hear her exclaim, Katie. Well. That's just messed up. Again. Noon score rips away at any defenses you may have had left and stops them. Okay. Now that we've all composed ourselves, let me know what I missed, what you agreed with etc. don't leave me hanging look forward to talking to you next week. Take. These. Hey. You've been listening to the Doofus Dad podcast poppy right twenty twenty by mark e Johnson. Subscribe wherever you get your podcast and do me a huge favor and right me review and share this podcast with your friends. See show notes and other good stuff at www dot doofus dad dot com. That's www dot D. O. F. U. S.. D. A. D. DOT, com

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1st and Goal Playing With Science Checkdown Week 8

No Huddle

02:57 min | 2 years ago

1st and Goal Playing With Science Checkdown Week 8

"It's time for the playing with science check down where sciences sports, collide. And for that. Let's say low to our good friends. Chuck nice. Dr Eric off fellas. We'll hear from you in a moment. First. Let's take you to Chicago. Mitchell Trubisky went to Torri Cohen Jeff Jody with the call bears radio network, Chicago Bears defeated the New York Jets today guys take us through the play. Hey, thanks, Brian. Well, diminutive batch from Chicago made it look easy. But there was a heck of a lot more going on than meets the I professor Eric golf. Why don't you take us through it? Well, first off it was the perfect screenplay. The bears were on their own thirty yard line with second ten and quarterback. Mitchell Trubisky was in the shotgun with Tariq, oh is the loan running back on trubisky's left. Driscoll backpedalled after the snap. Allowing the bears offensive line to set up the perfect blocking scheme for a screen pass Coen slipped through the whole just as just inside linebacker Avery Williamson. Let Cohen go by while rushing. The quarterback Cohen caught the ten yard screen pass from Trubisky at the bears. Thirty one yard line. Just past the line of scrimmage Cohen head daylight in front of him as he sprinted down the left side of the field toward the goal line. Cohen ran just over seventy yards on the play averaging eighteen miles per hour. He kicked his speed overnight. Eighteen miles an hour. When he saw jets quarterback. Daryll Roberts flying toward him from the opposite side of the field. Roberts was at the bears. Forty six yard line near the right sideline. And he had his back to the play. He ran seventy yards at a top speed of twenty three miles per hour. But was still unable to stop the play. Three Cohen is listed at five feet six inches tall. He needed thirty seven steps to cover seventy yards averaging about four point seven steps per second had six feet three inches. Tall titans. Running back. Derrick Henry run that screenplay. He would have needed only thirty three steps Chuck last week. Mitch Trubisky ran seventy two yards but only got credit for eight of them despite being six feet three inches tall. He needed fifty steps for his weld run. Not. So for Cohen as he busted out of that screenplay and was all business while sprinting to the end zone, and there you have it. This one is for the little guys from Napoleon to the. The lollipop kids to Spud Webb to Chuck nice. We're saluting to recount. Well, Chuck went you went would diminutive to make it a big word Sunday. I scribbled down Randy Newman Manama pad, but I'm going to raise that and give you a Billy Barty. Goodness. That is why talking to you. That was always a pleasure. We'll chat with you next week. Playing with science check down all free olien. Tune in.

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Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist: Class of 2013

Rock N Roll Archaeology

53:26 min | 1 year ago

Who Cares About the Rock Hall?: Quarantine Playlist: Class of 2013

"Everybody welcome to who cares about the Rock Hall. A podcast about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. I'm your host joke was Allah and I know too much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame with me as always via zoom video chat is my co host. Doesn't care as much about the rock and Roll Hall of fame. Some would say. She's rather skeptical of the institution. It's kristen stuttered truly carrying less each. And every day that this quarantine continues I can tell you that there was a time when you could feel my care mounting. I think the listeners often commented that I now really seem to care and boil. Boy I can tell you even with all this time to think the amount of time that I spend thinking about L. Rock Hall is limited to one hour per week while we recruit. Yeah and would you say it's dissipating? Yes roundly it's really hard to give a shit. I mean it was really hard before and now it's like even harder like the Rock Hall. You guys remember the Rock Hall. I get that but kristen. We have the doing playlist episodes in quarantine. We've been going year by year for each rock hall class. I am picking quarantine theme songs for each inductee and I would say you've you've found some songs through our journey that you enjoy definitely. I've been enjoying this journey. It's neat it's neat. I wonder if people miss US having guests pants. If you want to register your complaint how to do that. Don't do it by leaving. Us review do it in an email and then we'll email only glowing five star reviews goto agents okay. Let's go to I tunes complaints. Go to the Mountain WanNa make fit abundantly clear also complaints. Go only to joke all. I don't want to hear him don't you. Don't you dare involve Kristen drama? Kristen this general role. This is our eighth Corentin playlist. We are working backwards. And we've made it to twenty thirteen and as our listeners. Know at this point you have no idea what you odd sort four. We absolutely no clue twenty thirteen year. I moved to Los Angeles. Get Lucky was the song of the summer fight. That's what I remember. You know this. The twentieth thirteen ceremonies. One of the rare ceremonies where it was in Los Angeles. Well a rare amount. Please forgive me. I know you had to do it. And I'm gonNA I instantly must i. There was nothing else I could do. It was coming out of my mouth before I could even think twice and even then I was like who really who cares. Sorry so what happened at this rare money it was in Los Angeles. I believe it was. La Live downtown. Oh yeah yeah one of those. I from what I understand. Yeah so as our listeners. Know at this point I try to tell a story through these song selections and let's begin by you know I feel like when you ask someone how they're doing. Nowadays there always has to be a preface. There has to be conditions like you say well all things considered or you say given our situation right in Calvin adjusted terms to be due to right. Because there's a there's a lot of circumstances so the first song we're gonNA listen to is a song called circumstances by the band rush a and That was circumstances by rush. That is off their sixth studio album. From nineteen seventy eight hemispheres. That was not a single raise. It was released as a single it. Do they do any numbers? No chart at all. I went into that song being like. Wow a rush song. That's only three minutes and forty siphons. You know that's not that long and I came out of that song being like that was only three minutes and forty seconds. How sweeping in long truly did at about two minutes and thirty seconds? I was like well. That wasn't a bad song and then I looked down at the counter and I was like there's still over a minute left this song because it has like many prog rock songs. It has different almost movements. Yes exactly. Here's what I will say about Prog Rock. It does not want you to get lulled into a groove going to change it up. It does not want you to just SORTA get into it. Get Out of the group all right that could be progress folks motto get out of the groove because and there were parts of that I really enjoyed. I like the kind of soaring hearts. That's nice his voice is interesting. They're singing in French. It was a journey. But I don't know that I was like on it. I don't I've looked. Yeah you were witnessing it and you yeah respected on some level but the thing about rush I think is that they are especially with getty lease voice. It's very much acquired taste. And if it's not one of their more mainstream singles it's hard to make an entry way into listening them unless you're already on board you're already a fan. It's people who are like you know I would love to figure this one out. Math approach music like a math problem. They're like WHOA. Whereas I I liked to approach music more. Like a like a ride. I like to get on and go okay. And this. This is a herky-jerky ride I understood. Let's move on then. We have to say these circumstances have put us in a well. Yeah the circumstances. It's dangerous outside in with other people. It's it's difficult to Michael Jackson. You can't leave the house you could call it pandemonium you could call it all sorts of things with basically. You're safer at home because it's a jungle out there which is what we're GONNA LISTEN TO FROM. Randy Newman out in confusion everywhere. Do we see John? How know within the as the worry all the time you be better might be wrong but this this is Joe. Wow David Bro. Against Powell only Tiller John. Allowed to on the camera on North. Even the ones grazing amount of of you. When do all this Exactly WHAT ALL RUN A Mon? The kitten with Zeus. That was it's a jungle out there by Randy Newman. That is off his twenty seventeen album dark matter but some listeners. I'm sure recognized that that song has been around for much longer because it was the theme song to the TV show monk and it was written for monk and it won an emmy was it like about hamlet's is it like a needle Annual Gato CD's like was it the same. It's the same lyrics for those so it wasn't about. It was still about how dangerous the world is outrageous which fits in with the premise of of a germaphobe detective. It really does it really. Does I guess just listening to it right now? I'm like it's just such depression song. It's just such a now so yeah no it like when when did it first come out when so the when was the monk inning? Two Thousand and two so yeah a long time ago. Yeah well let's move on to. The quarantine has forced places to stop operating right businesses schools. So let's listen to a song called. Shut THEM DOWN BY PUBLIC ENEMY THE NOW TV it the master Jason. Just now what L? Prevent to win report from the way to bobby system. Don't crude money to looking to buy tickets. West Coast Support Dan Russell Audio Hint. Oh wait a minute. That was shut them down by public enemy that was off their fourth studio album. From nineteen ninety one apocalypse nine one dot dot dot the enemy strikes black and that was released as a single in ninety two and went to number one on the rap charts. Peaking of prashant right. This is another one that feels as a vital now. If not more than it did at the time you get so I mean obviously don't want to hear about my frustration about this. It's just the same struggles forever. How can we change? You know unto even like here the final verse. About how if a corporation isn't gonNA bring their money to my town like if they're not gonNA give the money to the people who are buying their products than like fuck them essentially. That's just still the struggle. It's gotten worse and worse and worse than seeing the pictures of Muhammad Ali and the Black Panthers and there's a video for this watched and It's very very ninety. S Montage video with you know Mohammed Ali and then racist looney tunes cartoons and Malcolm X. And then pictures of black people on money you know which is just like a more still fighting for that. It's just it's this was thirty years ago. And this is ninety two so this is before the riots or this is during this is like around that time in you know kind of police violence against black people and right now were recycled continues without any progress. I don't like it to agree on Kristen. Why don't we when we make a hard turn out of this? A hard left huge shift nearly every playlist. We've done so far. Has a song about loneliness right this next song? I couldn't not do. It was staring in the face and I. I had to picket for the playlist. Adam like you so let's go ahead and listen to you alone by heart long one turmoil and the night. Oh don't know how Le Still is still the room That was alone by heart. That is off their ninth studio album. Nineteen eighty seven's bad animals and that was of course released as a single and went to number one. And here's something I did not know about on is that it's a cover what say it didn't sound necessarily like a song that they had written of course that you can kind of tell like a lot of the bands from the seventies who were trying to make an in the eighties reach out to outside. Songwriting help that like fully make sense. That's had this had you know. Dwi His foot Handprints are it wasn't it wasn't dying warrant. It was Billy Steinberg and Tom. Kelly who wrote true colors okay. Eternal flame like virgin. I touch myself. I'll stand by you. They wrote so emotional for when he houston. Yeah they had a huge string of hits. But what's interesting is they recorded it as a group called. I ten and then my favorite little detail is after their product was not a hit or anything. They gave it to a Sitcom Sitcom about a fictional rock band and the show was called dreams. California dreams no no no. It was a sitcom called dreams. It did not run for longer than one month. Old Boy in October of nineteen eighty four. It was created by Andy Borowitz so there was a version of alone that they sing an episode. And it's a duet between a woman and a man and it's Jamie Gertz and John stamos. Is it any good? Are you going under me talking right now? Are you playing I? That was about three years before heart were offered the song and then they made it their own elevated it. Here's the thing I know because I watched their behind the music but man they just would not put an Wilson on camera. Are you see her face? I think that an you would think that Nancy had sung the song with the amount of camera time that she. It's like not even when when the Guitar Solo is being played by someone else in the band. They just do slow motions of her playing guitar and running around yet. Like humping the guitar. There's a lot of very sexual movement with the guitar. Her chest is heaving they have a riding on a horse writing for like a second and a half. It's very surprising you and I also have. Yeah but and then they have an Wilson in just like a close up with a veil on. They were just so afraid of fat women on camera. I know that that was the record. Company was very angry that she wouldn't that she couldn't lose weight that she wouldn't lose weight that so then they just you. They're not subtle about it singing their. She's almost like fern. Never she's in a tower like away from the band. Yeah she's in on a balcony like away from them. It's funny shrouded in darkness and then just close ups of her face like very classic body J. Big treatment very bad and then the whole band is literally romping around the stage. Everybody's having all sorts of like movement and bunch. She is not even on to be behind a microphone yes. She does not at no point to see her singing into a microphone. It's so wild. Oh my gosh. Yeah is problematic to say. The least. I think really talked about that a lot in the behind the music as I recall. Yeah that was a that was a point of contention. Yeah and then 'cause she's really you know elevating that Song. She's change in. She's making it something a amazing you know A hit and she's she's really getting the shaft in Allen. It's wild and then just Nancy on ours very eighties all around truly all right. Let's move to you. Know if you're GONNA go outside during this you're going to need a mask you know you're gonNA have to keep yourself. Here's Cuban Pete from you need to have protective measures if you're going to be anywhere near anyone else. So let's listen to a song called protection by Donna Summer. How Avenue Joe Sir Get? Call Your House maybe bell. That was protection by Donna summer. That is off her self titled Album Her Tenth Studio Album Donna. Summer from Nineteen eighty-two although the single was released in nineteen eighty three not a successful single doesn't look like charted anywhere but some interesting notes about this song written by Bruce Springsteen. I guess this was the first album that Donna summer did with David. Geffen and Geffen reached out to Jon. Landau who is being inducted into the Rock Hall whenever they do but technically the two thousand twenty class springsteen's manager and so you know. Bruce has written songs for people before and they wrote something for her and it was a song called cover me and then Jon Landau heard it was like hey maybe keep this one right another one and then he wrote the song protection and he actually plays on the song he plays guitar. And some backing Vocals Clarence. Play the sex phone you some. Some dude named Ernie Irony Lover. Wants is cover me. A Bruce Springsteen song runs off another note. Here is that this was produced by Quincy Jones. Who also inducted into the? Rock Hall in two thousand thirteen. We watched the music video for this song. We've asked I mean it's such so it's weird and so arbitrary in its selection of shots like she is at times doing a photo shoot and then she's like being chased by a man and then she's on a motorcycle and the shooter but it's just so nothing is connected to the point where I had the thought watching it like was this created by a fan like this can't really be the music video. Is it a Malcolm of stuff? I think they dismay they decided to put together a music video without really having to shoot much new footage or I don't know or maybe they did it. Just there's no there's no through line it's just really. It seems like a three different music videos. There was the story of her being on the roadside. Getting on the moped with two suitcases. And then there was the story of her being very bored and weird at a photo shoot and then there was the story of her being danced at and jumping off a balcony at a fancy dinner. And then there's an additional lake sound stage where a bunch of color play. It's I don't know but the You know the other players on this song you've got the Todo dudes the per car or brothers in Steve Luther who also played on the original version of alone by I ten but also they played on every song at this era. Now can I ask I ten? Is it spelled? I ten interstate ten or is it spelled I. E. Y. Tan lower case. I Hyphen Capital T. Lower case lower case in well and this is before apple. I know they maybe should consider legal action. I had on iphone eleven. He said it has said why did I know that's the big question sided? I said it. Why did I said that this song was nearly a duet with Bruce but they ultimately scrapped that idea. I think that would have helped it in the charts probably and Bruce considered recording his own version for born in the USA. But I think he did record it but it's unreleased lacking you know. The song is on remarkable. Like it's fine. It's a good good enough song. I wasn't mad when I was listening to but I wasn't like this is getting a heart on my spotify. Yeah it didn't hurt at all. So that's no surprise. No charts no hearts baby. That's up just I do. It goes all right. We've made it to our last song. Kristen the uplift one shall it to be uplifting. Those are the rules. I established at the very beginning. So I want something to be optimistic. Here's a song by Albert King called GonNa Make It somehow bird everything and only a the heart from the bill. Thanks dot com pardon. How out in the street Tana statal? Mine thanks Terry. Dot Com give birth. Remember that old song says changes. That's part of Bacon Myself. Expected from nobody else will lead that way now. Atapattu in the field Ha Doc that was going to make it somehow from Albert King that is off the nineteen seventy six release truckload of Lovin which yes truckload eleven. That is his date seventh studio album his first with the Utopia label seems like. It's kind of a hard album to get a hold of the song itself is not available on spotify. I don't spotify and it was released as a b side to another track from that album called sensation communication together. If it were on spotify. Consider listening to this. I don't know if I'd heard it but I I would listen to that song again. It was it was good head group. I enjoyed it was Albert pudding as a regular or was he was on the ballot and he was voted in. Was this the John Mayer Guitar? Yes okay number. That comes to Blues Guitar Player. Benzion note differently. It's literally as unique as a fingerprint devote walker the like this stony Monday. A and then be became came along. Bb King and then album king came along and it it really did sell on how important Albert King and the song was very fun and it was an uplift. I also remembered something that from the heart induction. Which was that? Nancy Wilson kept apologizing to her children for being away from them. She really like heart. Is the perfect case. Study in modern feminism as far as working moms guilt body shaming in like beauty standards and stuff like that. I just was remembering that right when I was Watching that video and I forgot to bring that up. They they truly. They've been through it all this Albert King. Though I enjoyed the song I thought it was cool. I'm trying to remember. What was the package like for? Is He's the Blues Pioneer. Obviously in when I was looking him up to find this song because I had to youtube it I saw that he was born under a bad sign. Which I mean. That's song is classic absolutely monumental cornerstone of the blues. He's he's a guitar guide and he played a Flying v Guitar which is Very Cool Guitar. That was like his kind of Signature Guitar and he was like a very modest guy who was just really good at Guitar. And the way he played influence people lakes. Tv Raven and John Maher. Did he play sitting down or anything like that? I don't think that was a part of his thing necessarily. That's more like a bb king bb King thing to and I've been to like Blues Clubs. I think everybody just wants to be also. Maybe when they get older. They're like well. If I can sit. Why the hell not you know if you'll if you'll allow it not. Nobody's going to really come for you as the king did it. the other king yet. There's there's three kings of Blues Guitar Freddie King Albert King and bb King. Wow I really remembered immediately. I don't remember anything about Freddie King but I did remember that. He was the three kings of Blues. Enroll yeah and we haven't covered Freddie King and our quarantine playlist yet but next year. I think that they were like two in a row. If I recall correctly which I probably don't be well. I guess you'll have to listen in next week as we do. Twenty twelve because that does it for our twenty Thirteen Rock Hall. Corentin playlist to recap. We listened to circumstances by rush. It's a jungle out there by Randy. Newman shut them down by public enemy alone by heart protection by Donna summer and GonNa make it somehow by Albert King. We will a relatively diverse class. Yes things for the hall. I say that relative to the hall in and their mystery but diverse. I think that's that's absolutely true. And by that you mean. Of course they were Americans and Canadians. Yes truly that's what you meant. Okay yes so. Unfortunately I don't think I'm going to be able to put GonNa make it somehow on these spotify playlist but the other ones will make it to the mega mix. If you enjoy the songs you can find them and listen to them on our spotify which you can find links to on our twitter which is at rock hall potter. Instagram is the same thing and of course you can let us know what you're thinking about these episodes or you just want to say hello. Whatever we love to hear from you you can email us rock hall pod at G MAIL DOT COM. Please subscribe to us on Apple podcast rating as five stars. Only thank you to Mike Lloyd for the Logo Yusup Kim for the music. Joey Devine for the equipment. Thank you to our respective roommates for allowing us to convert our homes into studios. That's Jedburg Sean keen on my end and Ramona Chernick on Christians and and of course. Thank you Pantheon podcasts for hosting US. I'm joke was Allah. I'm kristen stuttered to cares about the rock. My Name Is Demon Carter Aka and I'm nate long. We're two thirds of the crew that host the dead rat pie. Our Third Co host is internationally acclaimed hip hop writer. David as the name of the grow suggests dead. Bond Rap pod is a podcast where men of a certain age discuss the they in dissect rap music while we are somewhat classicist in our tastes and grew up listening to hip hop from the eighties. Until now we're also interested in the music's present and future over the past hundred fifteen episodes. We have been interviewed. Rap legends like Fritz. Paul del the Funky Homo Sapien. Roxanne Shante Kooky Egypt Premier and even the Proto rap group the last poets. We also make it a point to talk to writers commentators and creatives shaping the genre Interview journalists and bestselling authors like Nathaniel Friedman Jeff Weiss of keep an Ataman's back and as nate mentioned even though we are products of the eighties nineties. We take time out to talk to some of the most important voices and wrapped today groups and individuals like little rather open. Mike Eagle Villi Woods and rap for if you don't recognize any of those names that's okay because what we love most on this podcast is to introduce old school fans of rap music to new music that we know you knew episodes every week on. We are the dead Bud rap pot. My Name Is Demon Carter Aka Demo and I'm native long. We're two thirds of the crew that hosted dead rat pod. Our Third Co host is internationally acclaimed tip operator. David Ma as the name of the go suggest deadline. Rap pod is podcast where men of a certain age discuss the they've been dissect rallies while we are somewhat classicist in our tastes and grew up listening to hip hop from the eighties. Until now we're also interested in the music's present and future over the past hundred fifteen episodes. We have been interviewed. Rap legends like Fritz. Paul del the Funky Homo Sapiens. Onta- Keith Egypt premier. Even the Proto rap group the last poets we also make it a point to talk to writers commentators. In creatives shaping the genre leave interview journalistic bestselling authors like Nathaniel Friedman Jeff Weiss of door. Keep an atom. Man's back and as nate mentioned even though we are products of the Eighties Nineties. Take time out to talk to some of the most important voices and wrap today groups and individuals like little brother open. Mike Eagle Villi Woods and wrapped around. If you don't recognize any of those names that's okay because what we love most on this podcast is to introduce old school fans of rap music to new music that we know you will love new episodes every week on Thursday. We are the dead Bod rap pod.

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#231 - New Music This Week + We Talk to Brandi Clark on Her New Song with Randy Newman + Music News: Iconic Band Getting Back Together Without One Member

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#231 - New Music This Week + We Talk to Brandi Clark on Her New Song with Randy Newman + Music News: Iconic Band Getting Back Together Without One Member

"Crooked Chase Nashville chats with an American war hero. Who Will Change Your Life? Sergeant Noah Galloway Wounded Warrior to life champion. He now inspires others with hope and humor. Listen and subscribe on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts or wherever you listen to podcasts. What Made Vincent Van Gogh One of the greatest painters and most tortured souls of all time? Was Harry Houdini predestined to become the great escape artists based on his family's great escape. I'm Dr Gail Saltz. And all my new podcast personality. I'll be joined by amazing experts to delve into the minds of famous historical figures. If you want to know what really made exceptional people tick? Then take a listen to personality. Find Personality on March ninth on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you get your podcasts. Welcome to episode two thirty one new music. We'll talk to brand Clark and talk about some music news going this week and I up at Eddie. Who's here what's up bone and you guys are still doing the sore losers podcast every day every weekday at least you like sports go check out the sore losers. We'll start with the dixie chicks back with a new song gas lighter which is the title track to their upcoming new album. That'S COMING UP MAY I. And so here we go. Here's a clip of gas lighter gas. I heard this I was like I don't know 'cause you when someone goes away for a while and they are legendary and they come back. You're going okay. Can't wait to hear the next cowboy. Take me away which isn't fair because cowboy take me away wasn't cowboy. Take me away until it had a lotta time. Yes the person okay but the third time I was like all right. I'm into it. They can sing it back pretty quickly. And it still. Sounds like the dixie chicks. That's what I liked about it. I'm like man. Just the sound Natalie's voice and you know you can hear the Banjo and about like yes. It sounds like the dixie chicks and that's exciting alone. But did you can't like that's gotta be hard like you said you had hits a long time ago and music's changed when you hear a band comeback. Do you want them to sound like they used to. Do you want them kind of evolve? A little bit with what music do now. They don't know that I I any of that. I just wanted to be a good catchy song because I feel like in their mind. They know that that's going to be the hard part. Can I still mix in this day of music? Yeah I I know when I listened to a song I just go help. I can sing along to it. It's IT OBA catchy because a lot of people use like garth puts out a new song. And you're like well. He can't match as other ones right. Exactly Rascal flatts come in. And they're like Hey. We have to compete with our songs. We put out fifteen years ago like a radio station. We'll go you know. Why would we play news song ex when we can just play Bless the broken road people already know love so what I do? Is I root for songs to come out? That are Super Catchy. So they can be heard. Yeah it's funny because we don't even think about that with people that Kenny Chesney. Who was also singing? Winn Dixie. Chicks were gone. But he's continuously been putting out music so it's evolved slowly and he's grown. We'll be able to grow with them right for those guys. They disappear and they come back there. I love the dixie. Chicks consume in. I love that sound on palm for them to be back. You just just love them. Lauren Elena put out a six song. Ep call getting good and here is getting good. The title Song asking and here is a song called in my veins from Lauren. Lena this EP six songs. I'm totally down with this. Being the way artists released music now little chunks at a time three four five six is six a lot but I just feel like. There's some songs that never get the attention they deserve if you put out thirteen songs if you want to put out an album. That's as an artist good for you but as a consumer. I don't like to have that many songs and I know there are some album oriented because album tells a story it does to you. This putting it out to most people are consuming it. We don't consume it the way that you are creating it. We don't we have a segment on the show or a joke that I'm telling or a song that we're doing as a comedy song the way we're putting it out isn't the way most people receive it. Yeah WE TRY. We've already hit as close as possible But I like. Ap's now way more than album and just think about the way we stream music to you. If you want to go back to an artist that you used to listen to you go back and you look at the song list. You don't go back and look at. What was the album? That it was on the album's irrelevant. That's a tab at the very bottom so I mean that goes with the way we we listen to music now too when John Mayer was doing his waves eight put up three or four three or four songs. I was like man. This is the way because I can. I can respect every song the same three or four songs comes out and you spend time with an all of them thirteen. Y- bounce around and you go. Well listen to this. I'll say this you don't listen all them three or four. You listen to all of them if it's one of your favorite artists so I like to eat peas more than I do. The album's at this point in my life just as a consumer not as someone who works in music but as a consumer and a lot of my friends that don't work in music thirteen songs gray but they may listen to it once. Where if it's your favorite artists and they put three four or five times. At least I remember when we when we had a record and we were trying to like. I remember going through the list of songs and we were worrying about how we weren't worried about. It's the record labels worried about how they were going to order them and we were just like. Why are we even worrying about this? Listen to music that way. Anyway your life is a record from Brandy Clark which she's going to be on a little bit so we'll wait on that one though put brandy on and a second love Brandy Clark Big Fan of music and got to know her as a person. There's also you can go back and listen to podcasts with her. Yeah she did a really great when it's been probably a year and a half or so ago longer than that so just a big fan of Brandy Clark as a songwriter and an artist a silver landings from Mandy Moore. This is her first record and more than a decade. It includes her new song when I wasn't watching. Here's sounds cool. It's sure adult contemporary nice. Right that's definitely see this is AC Johner. That I mean I mean Mandy. What her last release was I think she did. A record with her husband right. Yeah at the time back in the day. Let's see loud or as my girlfriend yells at Alexa. She has you have to call the law on Alexa to get into play him but she can't pronounce allow she can miniaturize. Lau has how I'm feeling. This is his debut album however he has songs that had been big hits. Yeah his biggest song. Is I like me better? I like me bed. I'm with you know that one I've heard it and here is modern loneliness. I listened to a lot of this around the house because K. Lincoln trolls Alexa right. Now it's loud and Harry styles which is records pretty good Justin Bieber's record okay. But she she lives in California's so like when she's not around. Are you pulling up these songs? You're not at all. I find myself not really listen to a lot of music now. I don't have anything that really is like kicking me in the nuts calling this amazing. That's cool that. Do you have stages like that because there are times? When you're like Oh man I got so much completely dialed in. There's nothing right now. That's moving me but it's funny that okay. There's nothing right now so you're like I'm GONNA stop listening to music for a little bit. Yeah usually when I go to the nineties for me to listen to John Mayer Staff. I'll ask Alexa. Listen to John Mayer or I got one of those notes on my APP. That said you're WANNA coal plays top two percent of streamers as funny that you might like how much you have to listen to it but apparently I'm one of the top two percent. You still listen to them all night. Long forbid you're doing that a little bit. I was listening to one record now. I just turn the TV on but what changed for me. Is I was listening to the first call record before we go to sleep and what I was doing his training myself to like Pavlov's dog ring the bell. You bring the food you ring the bell you bring the food during the bell you bring the Food. You bring the bill. You don't bring the food but his mouth still waters. So what I was doing was listened to that copyright from the beginning and go to sleep coma beginning couple so whenever I listed. Hopefully it made me sleepy on airplanes I was doing like a science experiment on myself. And what was the hypothesis? Well that it would be like Pavlov's dog when I was to play to feel sleepy regardless of where I was and it does work like that a little bit because it puts me in that space to go. Oh I should be feeling like we want to sleep but the problem with that night was now that Netflix will stop on its own. I don't need music anymore because I was trying to sleep at the TV for now that Netflix will play like three episodes the office and you are you sure you still want to watch and not keep playing them the TV kind of shuts down on its own. So it's kind of its own sleep timer so I don't do that as much but it did feel that way though like I would hear a rush of blood to the head GonNa Sleep. You heavy like just on this record a Lisa car. I don't know any of these people's names. I know who they are shown to car. What is it a? Let's see? Kara what does she have shared like a on call here? No never heard Troy Sylvian Savan K. Was this on Bluh BLUH Dobbin Daily Paper Hood. Laney like a one dude. I think there are banned. But I think it's one one guy in on the song I said. Oh He'd been one guy on this song. I think that's true. Anna Marie and Sofia Reyes are all in allow of album. Demi Levato by the way was driving. This morning heard this song of the pop station. Pretty Good Song I do. It's called I love me from Demi Levato enough as you gotta listen to the whole song and get the vibe and I liked. I expected to be like this is going to be stupid because they were hyping it That's pretty good. Yeah me too. Like I don't know the big fan of her auntie her or she doesn't want pop in my world but I did like that one in There's a record Chilombo. Yeah Genego no play the song. Try to I'd say know I like. I like slow Acoustic Guitar so if I don't know it from Tick Tock I'm not GonNa know the pop stuff. Lot of the pop stuff comes with me through thick talk. I'm like ten thousand times in a video and Sorta like it and you hear on the radio. I know I know. Fifteen seconds of Roxanne Roxie lacks in Baby it's okay from the Swedish pop duo. Flora cashes out ceremony from the fight from the overcoats and superstar from Caroline. Rose all that is music. That's out this week so Enjoy I don't know I haven't really check out much of this. The Brandy Cochran. I will which is why. We're GONNA TALK TO HER IN DIXIE. Chicks just one song. Yeah so that's cool. We're going to take a quick break. Come back with Brandy Clark. So let's say you're shopping online with your smartphone. I mean sure feels like your personal info is right there in your hand but that's not always the case because as soon as you hit submit your personal info could start going to join all these other places in fact whenever you shop you bank your browse online. Your Personal Info can get out of control which can leave you. 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In daily every item undergoes the real real meticulous authentication process by online with the APP or visit their newest location in Union Square in San Francisco. So whether you shop in store online or on the get twenty percents off select items with the Promo Code Real. That's real real dot Com Promo Code real for twenty percent off select items Brady. Hey I'm really good. We have a brand new Clark on with US. Right now Today New Music New Music is out for everyone and brandon. Just put out a record called your life is a record and I love Brandy and I love all. I love your music and you're writing about having listened to it yet and what's funny is brandy knew that she'd text me was like. I know you haven't listened yet. You wouldn't listen to it ahead of time and so today I want to devour brandy. Oh I love that you know that a list of people I wanted to send it to that have been just supporters. You being one of them and I reached out to everybody on that list except you because I all I listen to your podcast and I know you always talk you. Don't listen to it. Tilts out so I just get back to me. Yeah I just like to be like my people I know you know I I know for some writers. They probably need to hear. It's they can ask questions about certain specific things but for me. I just feel like it's so important to be like my listeners. And you know Friday. We super excited because new music comes out and so I was looking at. Some of the track has again. I've listened to nothing. Really GonNA play a bigger boat though. I have a bigger boat. Go now at. That voice sounds familiar. That's not brandy that's brandon. But that's Randy Newman boy story. Who also sings? You got a friend in me. How did you get Randy Newman to do the song with you? Well A Guy. I work with Lenny worn occur has worked as randy and they've been friends your whole life and so I asked him because I I when when we did this we talked about making it into a duet and to me it just sounded like Randy and and so many asked him. And it's funny. You mentioned toy story because Randy said. We'll I'll do it if I like the song but it's going to have to be after I finish toy story for so he did like it. He changed the line. And he said I'm not one of those rappers I don't need any writer's credit but I think my line is better is what he said. He was right And he was gracious and came in and saying it actually on Memorial Day holiday to do it and that's pretty cool also on the record John Osborne is he playing guitar. On your record he is yes. He's playing on this phone. Call bad car he does a really killer Solo Some point will release the extended version of that because we cut a lot out of it. But you know what a great player he is John Wall Solo for like thirty minutes and be like. How's that plan of playing brandon? What are you doing? What's his record? You're going to go on tour. You'RE GONNA play it all around her way. Oh Yeah I'm starting to tour on March twenty. He thought I was tour We're Planning Nashville on the twenty ninth. I think twenty nine th at third and Lindley That show might already be sold out. But they were gonNA open up a few more tickets if they could but they have been really really pleased with the response from this record ticket. Sales are great. And you know that's all you can ask for just love you as a person as an artist. I'm not sure which one I love you as more but I'm so excited to have new music out for one of my favorite artists an people. So congratulations on the new record. Well I love you too bobby and I so appreciate your support. Your life is a record. Why would you name it that? By the way I line of the first the first song is called Satine. The first line is if your life is record people and places songs and That one I loved that line and one of the CO writers on that. Jessie Jo Dillon. Who's blown up right now with? All her amazing songs suggested that to me is the title. I was struggling on what to call this record. And she said what about your life is a record and so it made a lot of things come into focus for me then knew that said. I'll be the sad song needed to be the first song and you know just kind of helped Be a little glued to to bring the whole thing together. Well I'll tell you what I'm doing this weekend. We'll be listening to the Brandy Clark Record. It's called your life as a record and go see brandy. She'll be out Torn the record. And I'm a big fan of congratulations brandon. We'll talk to you soon. Okay all right there she is brandy. Clark are the number one album in America is from bt 's US ed he Yeah I've heard of them. Is that the Korean pop it is? It's their fourth number one album. They put out four records accurate shoving amount Taking advantage of that window them. It's funny when I watch interviews with them. I think only one of them speaks English because he's the one that always talks and the rest is kind of nod their heads like yeah whatever he said. I don't know if that's true or not. Do you know I don't know if I think more of them. We do okay. Maybe just one guys like the kind of like the older one like just trust him to speak for us and don't they have everybody doing different jobs like one. Does he mean? There's a singer rapper. There make tacos up after us. They all dance. They'll have little jobs to Young boy never broke again. Is the number. Two and Ozzy Osbourne is number three number one Here is young boy never broke again in clip. Redeye how I can hear is Ozzy Osbourne ordinary man. In this is it's a raid featuring post Malone let South I. I tried to listen to that because I like some of the old ozzy stuff I it's just it's much. I saw post Malone. Let me see if I like. It was for me In the news genesis getting back together really but without Peter Gabriel. Then come on no. I'm okay Phil. Collins is totally me Denison Collins is the lead right but I mean I guess the question is can abandon via band without all of its. They're living because they were. They were genesis without Peter. Gabriel at their big hits okay. I'm no problem I think. Multiple Genesis had another singer right. So genesis is doing a reunion tour. It'll be Phil Collins by the way was playing drums for Genesis and Peter. Gabriel was the singer. And he's out there. We're trying to find a singer in Phila- sing from the back a little bit and they want you to lead singer and then he turned to a massive superstar in abandoned by himself so the biggest star is in the band. Which I I'm totally okay with its Phil Collins. Tony Banks and Mike Rutherford Peter Gabriel's biggest song go by himself was what your is in your ass. Azmat to your eyes jam. Yeah but that wasn't a Jennifer Song that was sold out Solo. So I don't mind that because they were that it would be like Van Halen together and going out with Sammy Hagar. No It'd be like Van. Halen going out with a whole new singer. The no it wouldn't be. It'd be like Van. Halen going out there. Second Singer Sammy Hagar not all their singers and not the first singer which was diamond. Dave it was daily rotten. Well the thing is it's the same thing that's what I'm saying the exact same thing. It's like the beach boys as I like to compare with the beach boys. Brian Wilson the founder of the beach. Boys I mean. He is the brain behind the beach. Boys doesn't even play with the beach boys but I I don't think it's the same thing and it's a different. This is a legendary band that lost their first lead singer. Their second lead singer came in and got them more famous than the first thing I ever did. I see what you're saying. Same thing with Van Halen. They were big with David Lee Roth but they had the biggest hit with Sammy. Hagar biggest record David Lee Roth with Sammy. Hagar didn't come into like fifty one. Fifty great cares. Whatever I say. It's the same thing comes in okay. I'm curious I don't even know. I don't think I've been healing anyway. I didn't know come on man get right. Bret Michaels is selling his tour. Bus One hundred seventy thousand dollars. It's a two thousand fourteen. Integra coach aspire. Rv has one hundred eleven thousand miles on it custom propane fireplace. It King sized bed a Sectional Sofa Walk in closet full kitchen. Electric Grill Five. Tv's to Sweden the Dili's also during a concert tickets and meet and greet passes little incentive there young for L. purchase tickets from personal guests to be a show of your choice and a meet and greet photo. I'm looking at how much a real tour bus costs. Like a brand new one. Oh million really yeah like all new made your style and not like crazy style but yeah million. We'll because I'm thinking like one of the cool things is that this is a used one. I don't know what they're not too bad. They're they're under a million but they're up there a used one. We had a friend who just bought one and it was a million dollars. And he's not a big art at he's he's he said a few number ones. I don't have to spend a little time on the but the cool thing about you know when we've had we've been on tour buses before and it's like you hear. Oh this used to be fill in the blank. This used to be like allman brothers tour bus. And you're like wow that's so cool. Imagine yeah one point one million is what like a new tour by nineteen tanked said? You discredit any withheld. House tour buses are like a house. That rolls yeah well. I don't know you think it's worth it. Bret michaels hundreds of women. No I'm not I don't need it so no for me now The dixie chicks says or nine kids are keeping them off the road avenue album gaslight around may first and that's also the name of the the the single but Marty says the nine kids collectively have kept them off the road because a lot of kids and when some of them already so many other people's kids aren't the other people's kids aren't so the kids are now inspiring them. They have a song called Juliana. Calm down on the record. One of the daughters names So but that's what Ben what's keeping me what they were yelling at her. Aaron Carter tried to get them as merchantmen at a drive through window but she had no idea who he was. Who's he Aaron Carter? Nick Carter brother had the tattoo on his face and to worry about them. Aaron Carter was at the drive through window a fast food restaurant and he shared an awkward moment the cashier he tried to get the girls on free merge but she was confused he goes Aaron Carter. This emerged it's free and they had no idea what am I. What on Candy Starts. And then she did not play Eric. Carter is just see the candy song. I'll cancel never heard of. I took it back. It's embarrassing speaking of. I mentioned my girlfriend earlier making me listen to music. She said that she went to the doctor yesterday. And for like a regular appointment and that she goes in in some guy. 'cause you're on goes. Hey I got a bunch a masks if you need one not someone that worked at. The doctor was kind of working in the building. Walking ended saint point and so she was like. Oh you know mask because a chronometer and I have like ten in my truck and because you do want one it's just like Okay and he goes. Well go get one but you have to go on a date with me. Oh and so. He's masks as I waited get dates. And then she goes. I have a boyfriend and he goes all right. They never got her a mask. So which is a weird thing. Because he eric Carter took a sweater back. This guy didn't give he would rather her die. The shallow person right there. Like if you offer a masks a mask you then have to give someone a mask if they want it. Aaron Carter Schiller keep the sweater. Maybe she's cold right. It's going to do you take it back. Yeah Dushi not to give someone a mask when you say you have ten of them. Yeah Yeah you're the mass guys really saying like all right. Take it and a date if you're not gonNA with me I'd rather use. That's terrible on Monday. The former one direction singer Harry styles was on Howard. Stern I listen to the interviews. Great and he talked about being the inspiration behind some of Taylor swift songs and talked about getting robbed. Have you listened to Harry styles stuff at all? Yeah we'll just like the hits. I haven't gone tracks or anything. I feel like some of this stuff here. Catchy but it's the radio stuff. He's got some real cool. Oh doesn't stuff that I would like that I do like. Yeah Yeah Yeah. He was talking about getting getting robbed and he was like the news reported as one person said there were six people around him. He said he felt like a loser because at one person robbed him at knife point here is talking about how he was walking and he kept saying a group of guys behind him that he moved across the street to a sidewalk and they moved across and he was like oh he moved across again. They moved across and the guy came up to him. Came in and he's like no. You're going to buy some you know. Here's what he got there. And he said that's when he started to Philip people circle around him and then they told him it'll unlock as phone. Because if you get a phone now and you can't get in it's a brick But they made them unlock his phone to steal it and then B in it and they didn't know it was him they were just looking for somebody to rob. That's crazy man. I'd freak out six people. Follow me I would just won't take off running. Yeah chances are you get caught though out of six people? There's going to be one do faster than you but I'm GONNA run. I'M GONNA run to other people like that's the trick. It's not run away and hide. It's run for other people are like restaurant or something. Yeah find other people as fast as you can go good tip. When Lady Gaga writes music she consult with ferries? Excuse me it tells you what the world needs to hear. Here's our new song. Stupid Love Lady Gaga explained where the inspiration for the upbeat dance. Anthems stupid love came from crediting. Some unlikely colleagues with helping her find the right. Sound and lyrics quotes. Sometimes you have to move your body and your spirit and your soul so they can access what you're really feeling she would go in and she'd sit with the producer and go camping report. I'M GONNA listen. I'm all my fairies. In the ferries would help or write music. I think fear is just a weird word for like. You're finding your inspiration right. Yeah if not. I don't know what she's talking about. Or she taken a Lotta something. She's seen a lot of people around or or she's taking a lot of you ever met her a couple times. She seemed normal or out there like away from everything away from cameras. Now that I've ever met her in a super personal situation anytime matter was work related and she wasn't normal but she's not supposed to be normal when it's work time So I don't know what she's like. Did you ever watch documentary? I don't think so two foot taller than four foot something whatever. I'm not sure what it's called right before for ten or something like that. It's fine does it. Kind of d go into like the kind of person she is. It goes into the person she wants you to see. She was my point. Sal but it was pretty good. There's definitely a struggle there that struggled everyone anybody. Has It all figured out? They don't want to five foot. Two guys in newborn area. We had our guy. Yes okay. That's it we just WanNa come on and do some new music looking ahead. We have Kelsey Ballerini. Doing Bobby cast real soon. Maybe even next week. Right Mike. Yup We have it. Looks like Salmon has now confirmed. Yup got him coming up. We've been chasing now on for a while So we'll see if that holds and tell your friends about us. We appreciate that. I don't know when Sam is but let's come out to cool man. I got choked up talking about you. So sore losers podcast. Mike's podcast movie. Mike's movie podcast where he breaks down all kinds of stuff about movies actors and how much money they make why. They took certain roles. He does reviews if you love movies took out movie. Mike's movie podcast. Thank you very much. And we'll see you guys next time. Hi Everyone. This is sending Sanchez and Eric Winter. And we have a podcast called. He said age The might even a part of this thing name. Okay so your name. I'm Eric Winter. Wow interesting every podcast called. He said it's about our conflicting personalities and our differences of opinion about everything guys. Funny check it out find he said. Amd Ho on the iheartradio APP on Apple podcast. Or wherever you get your podcast crooked Chase Nashville chats with an American war hero. Who Will Change? Your Life. Sergeant Noah Galloway Wounded Warrior to life champion. He now inspires others with hope and humor. Listen and subscribe on the iheartradio APP apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to podcasts.

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Episode 1202 - Sam Neill

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Episode 1202 - Sam Neill

"Hey folks today's episode is sponsored by squarespace from websites and online stores to marketing tools and analytics. Squarespace is the all in one platform to build a beautiful online presence and run your business. There are no hidden fees or price hikes in all websites are optimized for mobile. And it's so simple start with a designed template and use drag and drop tools to make it your own head to squarespace dot com slash w. t. f for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code wpro to save ten percent off your first purchase. Okay all right. Got it good. What start the show all right. Let's do this. How are you what the fuck. What the fuck buddies. What the fuck in froze in people. Jesus man how's it going. I'm sorry if you're out there and you're freezing to death literally. I am sorry that you're going through that. There's nothing worse than being cold and not being able to get warm. I hope you're okay. I hope you have quilts. I hope you have a space heater. Don't set yourself on fire. I don't know what's going on with where you are. But we used to do it. The the tenement he way. I don't know if you're in new york. Do you have that radiator. The radiators freezing hissing stopped. Has that horrible dry heat. His you got to put a like got baking baking ten for water under those things. You'll just you know. All the liquid will be taken out of your body. Sorry name that tune that's my fucking radiator in new york city. I i tell you. i've never been more grateful to be in california when it's not burning than At this particular moment everybody was like you gotta move to texas. I think i'll wait. I'll wait on the big move to texas not that it was on the menu. But i guess this is the way it's going to be all over a radic weather who knows whether beyond what we can handle with the structures that we've put in place. The infrastructure we built was not for almost unsurvivable temperatures and conditions. So either we fuck and do something to maybe stop the escalation of this or make better hats. Make better boots make better jackets. Make better pipes make better infrastructure. you know. some of this shit has not been updated since the turn of the century. I don't know where you're from or what town you're in but Infrastructures back bernard item. Most of the time. So some of that shit that you guys are relying on might be from nineteen o four but again. I hope you're taking care of yourself. I can't imagine why. Can i've been in some pretty gnarly two or three day snowstorms but to not have power not have heat. That's just fucking awful. Kick on those burners man is. The gas. Working is the natural gas working. You've got a gas stove. I guess this is going to be The era of guns generators. You'd better get your guns. You better get your generators. You better learn how to store your food canned. Canned some stuff makes some pickles. I don't know it's not what i'm doing and i guess some people have been doing it for while. Get jerky going. No human jerky do not make human jerky all right. I don't care how cold it gets. Don't eat your family. God damn it alright. Have some soup. okay. Sam neill is on the show. Today i'm very excited about it because i didn't know what to expect but we had a kind of a lovely conversation. You know him from jurassic. Park the hunt for red october the piano and lots of films he's made in in new zealand he's a native new zealand person. He's also known for his many vineyards and his two paddocks wine. He was at the farm on one of his vineyard. When we talked to him people it was like in a bar of his own building of his own creation in one of his vineyard buildings with a bunch of wind behind him. I said it was in video. So he could start drank and he's also become sort of an online favourite with his Social media videos of him singing songs and hanging out with farm animals and drinking his wine. I might add. Sam neill great conversation. I i'm having. I'm having a hard time. But i'm having a rod time. I'm having a rod time people. The assumption i made at the beginning of this shit show was true that That as this thing goes on you will become more acquainted with who you really are. And i'm not so sad to get down to the baseline. I did just spend couple hours on twitter. Reveling in the death of rush limbaugh. I was happy to know that my armor comes up pretty quickly. I think got out while i was ahead or at least even but look the honest to god. Truth is having done talk radio. It's not that. I don't have him in perspective or it's not that i don't understand that He was a capable and Pioneering broadcaster no-win paused better than rush. And i can say that honestly that if there's one thing that he brought to the table it was wedding something. Sit for a minute after. He said something terrible. After he celebrated the death of somebody or the bullying of the vulnerable or the pain and and sickness of those he judged and disagreed with was as he revelled in their demise in their pain in their deaths. He would let it sit there for a minute. As if to let you revel in the evil fucking piece of shit that he was rush limbaugh. And i'm talking about rush. Limbaugh was an evil malignant piece of garbage responsible for more deaths and more brain fucking than any broadcaster in history. Many of us have lost relatives to to russia his show to his way of thinking to the rancid garbage. He put into people's brains he was proud of it. He was proud laughing at the pain of others and causing pain and hatred. He'd loved it. Fucking good riddance. So what i was saying was in terms of figure out who you are. I got kind of off topic there and now just trying to stop myself in the midst of this ongoing anxiety and sort of inability to sort of function and the anxiety of waiting to get a vaccine of waiting to get some sort of normalcy of ordinary. How things unfold and just dealing with the day to day the day the day the day today today of the day the same day i have to fight my desire to do dumb little things man. I wanted to go replace the cartridge on my turntable in twitch out my turntable that can wait. No i messed up and did it on my rug. One of my rugs is coming unraveled. I know there's a rug repair place around the corner here but that can wait like those weird things like. I literally have to say to myself dude. You don't need to do that dude. You don't need to run to the fucking supermarket for smoked paprika. You don't even need it in a recipe. Just because i lock in get obsessed. I think got to go. Do it mask go do it. But you don't have to do that stuff. That's a daily struggle with me. When i'm alone during the day is not to go to a store to a place or do a thing. That is fucking completely unnecessary Going to get a kitten and a few weeks probably gonna call them aengus all right here. We go sam neill the new film another great film beautiful small movie. This is called rams. It's about to sheep farming brothers in western australia. Who are at war with each other over their prized breed of rams and have to come together kinda in the face of adversity. maybe do they. It's available now on all digital on demand platforms and. It's a beautiful movie. I highly recommend this movie. Rams great story and it's so tight. So simple characters are beautiful farmers in new zealand or australia in western australia. And there's tension this family tension Heirloom high beautiful Heirlooms people out of. There's a lot of Goat testicles in this movie and the The handling of goat testicles. Now that doesn't get you in. I don't know what will sam was at his vineyard in new zealand when we had this conversation. And you'll notice that. Because i'm not doing standup you know when i got an audience. I'll keep trying to get some laughs. He was great truly truly a joy to talk to. Sam neill are you sam. I'm fine thank you nice to meet you. I see got humid shelter behind your tweet. that was at the movie ultima national. Yeah it definitely had altimonte in it. It was Yeah the the mazel amazed l. brothers. Yeah that was. The one that was. They set out to make An exciting fund documentary about the rolling stones tour. And then it turned into a fucking demonic nightmare. But i i had a reassessment of olette that That cost the stunts too much. Worse light than you would have it. That's true i read a book. There's a book that was written by journalist in san francisco and yeah turns out that the stones were just awful from the gecko that there was no precautions. Taken that no one was prepared for anything and And they didn't care yeah. It was actually a really chilling account. What was chilling about. I was just how out of control a god because there was no bathrooms. There was no doctors. There was no water and they didn't expect that many people in like hundred one hundred thousand people have many came. It was just insanity no one was there was chaos and then there was his bad drugs going around and everyone was out of their mind. The stage wasn't even the stage was like three feet off the ground. Sam three feet with no security but hells it was crazy. And the and people wonder why i don't festivals anymore scary. Did you use to go. The last i went Was actually an island. Maybe ten years ago in ireland and ireland. Yeah i was kinda cool. It was good. It was out in the middle of nowhere and there was some anymore good bands than expected. It's a nice way to spend the day. There was a good. They had like ten with different things on sure. Hey you had a choice of three things of any one time who your bands. Who will go. Who like who do i like. Oh who your go-to bands okay. My ideal festival. Yeah i need to revive him. But i need little feet with george show nice. Yeah sure. yeah probably headlining great. I'd like randy newman and one of the tints. Randy's great yeah. I don't want them on the main stage. I want him in a tent. So there's just one hundred of sin randy a he feel better about that. He doesn't need the pressure. Yeah he he's hard on himself. I tell you who. I also saw live. And and to my complete surprise they were a good thing. Live as you could. Possibly mentioned was radiohead. Oh yeah wouldn't imagine them. Being a great live ban they were fantastic. Great live band kawai. Wouldn't you imagine that because they're sort of Enchanting somehow you know well they're not exactly Rock and roll. You know what i mean. There's a lot of and and it's kind of miserabilist rock and you wouldn't that be a good day out. But oh my god they were fantastic thom yorke. He has really compelling they get into his own. They're great. i. I saw you singer. Randy newman song from sail away. I think it was on sale away. The one on one year What is that instagram or twitter. What do you do the little movies on. What did i dare to do that. Yeah i'm i'm dayton ohio dayton ohio. Yeah yeah yeah. That's kind of a safe song. I i wanted to do sail away. And i thought oh no maybe not everyone gets. Randy newman not not ever gets irony. Not even understands. He's yeah it's not him it's his. It's a character. He wrote one of the best songs ever written. I'm one i. that song. guilty is one of the greatest songs ever. Do you know the song gillis incredible. Oh my god that's on kills me. I can't get through it without crying and a great song to cover too. you know. yeah it's a sweet song. And and then like i like the last night i had a dream either so i i i had. I interviewed him once for a couple of hours. It was one of the high points in my life What aggressing to. I was listening the other day to it's hilarious and and grotesque i love. La oh yeah yeah. It's a great. That's yeah he such a so funny man and duct to you know How doc is you can leave your hat on. I love that song. Yeah but it's dot com creepy and strange what about. Let's burn down the cornfield. Oh god the list is endless. Isn't it we need. We need five was randy. Yeah he's great. Are you in a. Is that a bar. Do you have a wine bar in your house. What's what's going on in that room. Did you know this is this. Is i have four vineyards and this is kind of the principal. One and it's it's mid summa and The the fines are in full pumping full right at the moment that my cadillac my cheaper over there. So wait yeah. Four vineyards in each one of them has a house on. It isn't the house this is if you if you come to my. If you come to my vineyard this is where i will. I will pull wind down. you'll Liberally well you know. I would like i don't i don't drink anymore but if you can get me citizenship. I might need it. And i'll let you do that. It's getting a little dicey here. I don't know if it's a great turn of events is going to save us. So i don't know how many people do you know many americans who have run away down there do you. Do you have friends from show. Business am that have bought Palatial chunks of property down there. But don't have any no it's it's mostly It's mostly i believe The chunks of property have been bought by people with something co cage funds. I don. I don't know what fa hedge funds our exactly. I think we all need one because there obviously They obviously they reap profits from whatever these things up Yeah are there a bundle of different stocks. Run by a few guys and those guys take other people's money and gamble with it on their hedge fund stocks and some of them make a lot of money. I think that's my limited understanding of it. Well we're in the wrong business we need to. We need to gamble with other people's money Yes i have no idea i. Sometimes i don't even know how i'm getting paid. I just assume the guy. I call he the guy the guy who tells me i'm great and they want me. He also tells me. I got paid. So i i just have to trust that guy. I am that guy round here at any one time. I have about ten people working for me. Yeah and i'm the guy that The kind of guy that everyone depends on. And i have to say there is no money in i. I don't like to tell him that because they're all working for me. Wind capacity right. There is the money and wine. So what is it. What is it about the wine. People i mean what are you is this just a way of you. Servicing your alcoholism. I mean how works. It seems like a lot to do for you. You can just by a few bottles day. You know a sane man would do would do exactly the same mad in in my case. It's kind of historical i have. I have family. I've found out the family goes back to eighteen o five Growing wine and and my father in ireland. That was in sicily talion family. He wasn't he wasn't he wasn't actually. What's that noise i may. It's upstairs is coming upstairs in your good time. It's the ghost of your grandfather. Yeah maybe He was That was ankle. Benjamin ingham and he went to went to sicily and made a fortune from my cellar. Oh i see so. He was He was not italian. he wasn't telling it was. It was a yorkshireman. But on the neil side. Yeah i'm i'm fourth generation possibly fifth in wine and spirits. But i'm i'm the first one. I'm the first neal to grow wine. Wait so you're the fifth generation wine and spirits but you're the first one to actually make their own is that what is that what you're really telling me. The other merchants and with drowning in is that. The i don't wanna i don't wanna be stereotyping. But is that the irish line the kneels. That's the land. Yes what part do you do. You spend time in ireland at all. I have but and in fact. I've i've worked in ireland two three times and and i love going back and and i kind of feel weirdly at having a ticket. There's something about that. That kind of makes me feel comfortable. And i was puzzled as to whether that's because my first seven years with their or if it's if it's a dna thing i'll tell you. I don't want to burst your bubble. But i'm i'm one hundred percent ashkenazi jew and i have the exact same feeling in ireland so so maybe maybe don't lean on the genetic so much let's go at the other thing but mcmahon sounds entirely french to me the i don't know why that is there. It does look french. it sounds french but it isn't. It's it goes all the way back to Like belarus i think a tale of settlement pogroms. You know this. Yeah my line of Of of taylor's and People who own surplus stores. Yeah it never pays to sort of go back two thousand. I think stephen fry's family. You know that you know that series. Who do you think you are no but we have one here similar. Yeah finding your roots yet finding a roots and and whenever anyone says bellarusse or something at always you and ends up with some grotesque thing happens in the in the yeah. Yeah it was all you. It's all that's the pale of people. Those are the jews right. Yeah usually yeah yeah or pogroms or some sure. Yeah yeah no never never. It doesn't generally end well for juice. Like yeah no. It seems like the jews that ended up in america and maybe england. They're only there because they were running away anywhere. There are drew surviving. It's because they left and the hurry wisely. Yeah yeah the ones who got out under the wire okay. So you come fifth generation spirits. But you're the guy that made the investment. You're the that did it. do you have like. Are you a wine nerd. Is that what it is. 'cause i don't drink anymore so i i enjoyed wine but it seems like it's one of those things like there's no end to what you could obsess about. Yes thank you mark. Look i yeah. I love warren. But i'm not i'm not i'm not i'm not crazy about it. I'm not. I'm not exactly wild eyed about it but i i the it's more of course i deeply care about this i care about what's in the bottle. Is that when a year and yeah and and i'm i'm wildly ambitious that this should be the greatest wine in the world. Yeah i don't. I have no ambitions as an actor at all no more l. really but i started off very humbling modestly in wine. Yeah and and my ambition gets more out of control every year right and And and you know what i i think. I'm getting close to it. I think i'm getting very close to making the greatest wine on the planet. So that's great. That's great that You know all you need to do is believe that sam there no one can take and no one can take that away from you is present. Some self delusional full south pacific not. I'm not just your good audience. And i don't talk to anybody i'm all i'm all alone here sam this isolation things starting to starting to get to me. Oh my god. I i completely understand that. Not only that when you get out of solution which i finally did in december. Yeah when i when i got out of quarantine here yeah i sort of wanted to go back into isolation become so institutionalized people walking a you know unguarded in the streets unmasked terrify. Sing each other breathing everywhere. Yeah i completely freaked me out. I was i was stays. Absolute chaotic can a terror. Yeah i can't. I don't i talked to my friend in new york. And he said his son is taking the train downtown. Like a train a train. You're gonna let him back in the house. So where are you. where are you hold up. Glendale glendale was that of course angeles some in los angeles. Okay but i'm okay man. I you know it's all right. i'm. I'm i'm working it out. I'm figuring it out. I try to talk to people i. I was doing what you were doing on instagram. I was. I make videos every morning. But you you'd yours are like a minute two minutes. I'm on there for for an hour just talking to yeah to a live audience of about eight hundred to a thousand people in morning just wandering around talking to my cats. I play records forum and then by the end of the day it gets anywhere from like ten thousand twenty five thousand views like. That's how people are here. They'll watch me make coffee for an hour at some point during their day and doing on camera yet do it on a yeah i do with my phone but you know the great thing about show business right now at least here is that i have the same production values with my phone is the tonight show has so no no everyone's true set. My budget got mick jagger on your said that yeah exactly but wait so you had no ambition as as an actor ever know. So how'd you get into it. Every time i get a job. I'm completely astonished. Who are these fools employed me. The that attitude they love so much. I it's harrison. Ford turned down. Yeah everybody's worst. Sam neill seven on the list. Does he still act. I don't know he's making we'll just see a live. Cozi live call them up older see now and but but how did you get. Why did you get started in it. I didn't really mean to. I didn't really i don. I never imagined that. I would get into acting as a career. Yeah i loved acting. And i started school in it and it was sort of. It was therapeutic as much anything. I underscore that by saying i really really don't like drama as therapy but it was therapeutic for me because i had a very bad stomach as a child and and i i started very badly and i hardly spoke for fourteen years until i sorta gradually started to get some confidence as an adolescent and i realized on stage i could actually speak clearly and and And that gave me the courage to sort of to actually talk to talk to adults for instance and then and then When i left uniform got a a sort of pretty ordinary degree in in english at the university. And i lift that thinking. I don't know what i'm gonna do. I would have liked to have gone to drama school. There wasn't any drums to go to. I would have liked to have Gone straight into acting. There wasn't really any filming made and you on those days and what was going on there anything what did you do what do people do in new zealand. What's your dad was. He was wanted spirits in the. Oh he was he was actually there. He saw he had a liquor store. Yeah he was they. They were merchants. Neil company widespread spirit much. It's okay okay. Yeah and he was He he said to made you need to get a job. And i realized it didn't there was there was no chance of act as acting as a career. That wasn't anywhere. So i got a job working as a In documentary film and train as a film editor. I became a director. And then i did that for six or seven years while i was doing that i would so moonlight and wanted to my friend's little films little short films and guy call raja donaldson spotted me in one of those films and cost me as the lead again. I i know i. I thought this guy's crazy. Yeah In in the first in the first color feature film ever made new zealand and the first film that are being made for twenty years film co sleeping sleeping dogs and that sort of and then. I went back to making documentaries. Someone saw me in that film and they asked me to come to australia and Act on a film called my career opposite. Judy davis she's great. That's a big movie yeah well that went to calm and i realized when i got a straight that for the first time in my life people said you're actually really quite good. You're a good actor. Come on put my my and And then i started making a good living as an actor and that took me to england and and points beyond so it's sort of an. I'm still surprised it's actually fit fifty years. Someone reminded me rather cruelly Ah in an interview. It's day since the first time My face was soon on celluloid. Nineteen nineteen seventy-one or something like that that's a long time is available longtime well what you work. Let me just ask you though like so. He did all that. You were seven years in documentaries. What does that mean. Is there some amazing business in documentaries in new zealand in the late sixties. What i was that an employment. What what we. What were the documentaries department. Yeah it was it was it was the new zealand national film unit and it was it was a government in most people work for the government in those days are we and and we made films folk government departments a lot for tourist and publicity and and occasionally we get a film. We make a film for ourselves and so my very first film was for the new zealand. Post office It was about telephone courtesy island how to how to how to how to answer to people and that was you. Were you acted in that film. None i wrote it and theresa how bringing bring another guy in I cast i cast my friends. In in these roles that i'd written The new zealand post office ran the round the telephones and that's days different days. So what are you. Tell me so at that time was did you know everybody on the island. I mean how. How was your a lot of people. They're like where you're in those days. In those days there were two and a half million people in new zealand's and seventy million sheep vastly outnumbered by the sheep. And what are the i. I don't wanna be ignorant. But what are the indigenous. People called mari. Mari right right right and now was did you. Under was there a dynamic between the murray and like your family or people in general when you were growing up. I don't know what the situation is there. Yeah that's a it's it's it's an interesting situation. I grew up in the south island and very very few will. There were very few more people in the south island. Let's days things have changed considerably Like indigenous people pretty much everywhere this disadvantage and a fair amount of poverty to help in the north. The things are changing rapidly and People were It's it's very different from australia. For instance there was a treaty called treaty of white tangy that was struck between the crown The british and and the mark people in eighteen forty okay and and since the ninety s The white tangy tribunal has been redressing grievances and returning land and and and compensate compensating an in a monetary cents for loss of lands and and deprivation. One around other while it's not perfect I think we're very different society than the one. I grew up in people a much more respectful and aware of of of of marriage dishes and and terrell. That's mary language and actually very proud of How integral marry people and mary culture is to is to new zealand. Society isn't isn't taika. Ytd mari mari absolutely yes. Because i just watched that movie. It's still in my mind. Because i i watched that movie that you were in the hunt for the the wilder people and it was that kid mari as well. Yeah absolutely what a great movie. Yeah i think it's kind of a sort of a kind of central to the story of new zealand now to that filming in a strange way is it. Yeah i think so it. It has sort of healing quality. And there's a lot of this is there's a lot of wounds a lot of a lot of there's a lot of blood in the soil and you savings. They were in the eighteen sixties. Eight hundred seventy. What's what we were known. As the mari was when i was growing up this now known as the new zealand war so the land land wars. And there's still a lot of bad blood. But i feel like we'll to people has has effect to bring people together rather than separating yet beautiful a so the profound effect on on the culture there that film in particular played well there. I'm not sure about profound. But it had had a big affect a beautiful movie. And i mean and i you know i it just sort of interesting. The last i watched the the rams movie as well. And i like this Version of you this kind of like you know beaten down aging emotionally stifled conventionally a read. One somewhere wants to gregory. Peck would make nights on his scripts but most pages he would put these three letters at the top of the page in a someone to what does it in a army. Mr pick said no acting required. Well i mean it seems like you know what kind of what kind of animals you got on the vineyards. There you got is that a farm do all vineyards have animals. How does it work do have to have animals. What do you do with. The animals can wine or you butchering animals to milking. What do you make no. I didn't make any milk. I love the innocent premise of that question. Not the anna. Look everything we do. Here's organic make organic winds. We've used a lot of biodynamic principles and and for that for instance Animals integral to this procedure said okay. Hainan counts have big scary horns and they sort of shaggy and they produce To to put it as pleasant. I can the best manure. Okay possible for And isn't absolute with. We're all about Soil health for soil healthy need Good compost could manure because you're restoring nitrogen to the soil. It's i'm getting really boring now. Mark giannis because it's getting into the An annuity ticky thing. Okay but we're talking about poop and that's always good you know people enjoy poop. Talk is crashing. Isn't that yeah as long as it's not too science. We're i think we're the ideas and i think that it's not you so you have these very exotic kind of You know prehistoric looking animals that you just you just have around so you can collect their shit. I mean they. Yeah that's and and be just your shit farming with the cows to make the soil better for the one good shit good wine you know so. That's how many cows you have just for this purpose like what's the herd number I think i've got twelve of fourteen. We just had a few new cops. I haven't had a kid count for a while. But i think it's i think it's about fourteen at last kinda got about thirty shape. I also do the same thing that they're on week control to Instead of spraying the swith foul chemicals. From you-know-who yeah We like mt monte mon- select monsanto. Obviously yeah so okay. So you you you you. She poop to kill bugs Weight control without buck bunks on such a problem hip at we a lot of come competition from weeds so sheep. Sheep kills weeds The aides okay got it. Okay got it. So how many sheep you guys. You've could get out of the house small back i. I'm learning the secrets of farming. I i know. I i'm familiar with the eating of i learned a lot with the with the sheep. Movie that you're in but Yeah so so. I mean is. They're over there. I think about forty moment. Forty or fifty. And do you do you Do you name them. Do you sheer them. Do you make Wolf the f. People come in and make wool. I do name some of them Aunt does the ones that. I don't want to end up on on somebody else's plate have one called jeff goldblum who has retied ram and he's he's a good friend he's i can see him actually at the moment he's up. He's up the talked under powerpoint on up there. Very nice. Ram does he. Is he neurotic and in a strange kind of rhythm d-. Yeah that's a lot of humming. And hey well that's nice so there's no one's getting killed unless you 'cause like you know in two movies i've seen you in. There is just a massacre of of animals. And i the happy to know that. So i just just terrible you no look i have to say. Look if you want the if you want the sorted facts in any given year we might get twin twenty four twenty four. I think we got twenty four labs this last season. Twelve of those will be boys and twelve of those will not and the boys will not make it to the that you know we bring a new ram you'd need one ram for the flock and the boys They'll have a happy life but not necessarily a very long life. Okay fine now. I think it's tough. It's tough in the Why stuff on the phone. Oh yeah oh yeah because you got what do you do do you eat. I do yeah. You don't have to be ashamed of that. I would think that even people like you're doing it correctly you get to know them and then you tell them to look the other way and you murder them and then you chop them up and eat them. Not everything's used. You make soup with the bones. I mean if you make soup with the you get the bones of the dogs. I mean dogs are got over there. I just said one duck. Who's sleeping outside and scratching. Okay expressionlessly is sleeping. So i guess like okay. Here's a pressing question in the movie. Rams your new film which. I enjoyed great deal. Good thank you are. Those prosthetic testicles are those are those actual Balls on the does a real bulls mark have to. You have to fit your tilt your hat. Yeah you have to tell you your hats. Yeah till your average ram there is no animal so prodigious on the planet let me tell you A good ramp can cover. Eighty females eighty use in a given day Eighty now even the worst sex addict from your town. Sure come anywhere close to that now. Know they've tried but it doesn't back in the day you know some guy's got close. That's what i hear. There was a time sam. But that's that's why they need very very big testicles pope body weight they're the biggest balls on the planet. Yeah well that's okay. What's good to know. I don't know what to do with that information. I was going to make a joke. But i couldn't come up with a name quick enough just slutty process. Yeah the well. I love the move. I like both of those movies. I like the older movies too so like with no train an actor what you just learning on the job where the directors gave you some hints other co stars that you had that said maybe you should think about you know doing it this way i mean how did you pick it up. I think Listening and listening and and kind of working it out for myself and and and the days we used to we used to have what they call dailies or rushes shirt and We would all go file into a screening room a day or two after you shot that day and watch watch those dailies and i learned a lot from that this guy on my god. What did i think i was doing that. Oh no no no. That's all it's worse to that again right Lot from that. I little up from other actors just just watching and and and search observing who i liked who i didn't like that guy's good who also a host of so many i mean like who were the. What was the one of the first guys like. Oh my god. I got figure that out. Abbas great i think i think i was processing that very early on. I was a big fan actually of british movies. When i was growing up. I like people like bogart and mason. Yeah that's sort of access. Oh yeah. James mason's i just watched those A couple of the joseph lousy scripts. I just watched was the one with amd bancroft over pump. Pumpkin eater was at the pumpkin eater. Oh yeah oh my god. That is blue films. You know what i think. It might be the greatest film ever made. And i haven't seen him for a long time dated but the go between. Oh i gotta watch it. Is that a lousy film julie. Christie is a fantastic fantastic film. Edward fox. I just watched the accident. And 'cause i'm watching there on the criterion channel. They got all these pinter scripts. So i watched the accident which i think had durkan it and i watched Yeah the pumpkin eater. Which had james mason in it and Who is the lead in that Oh peter finch yeah. Peter finch australian actor. Yeah i remember i remember. I'd seen network many times and that was the last movie. Yeah that was his last. But he it was some laurence olivier that encouraged him to leave australia and seek seek his fortune elsewhere and the rest is history. Yeah what about did alleviate. Did you like with ya. Ya not so much on on film you know. There's not a lot unfilled that that are particularly kid for why not when you think what was about the other guys you can see their personality. I always kind of smacked of the theater. A little bit whereas james mason was made for cinema so watchable watchable and and and and does steaming little bit little. Speak so much. I know that i mean. Did you learn that. So that's what you learned from him. Because you know it's my instinct to like i come in always too hot to just out of control but that's fine. It gives me a lot of leeway turning things down is easy actually either way. I like being directed view. I love being directed and one bit of advice. I very ordinary forgotten. It was if in doubt do nothing. But that's only if you're in doubt. I think doing nothing isn't enough and sometimes i see actors doing nothing. I think. Come on do something. Well i think doing nothing sufficient right right right. I think doing nothing and being engaged is different than doing nothing. Actually doing nothing. Sometimes i worry about my hands. Did you ever worry about your hands. What am i doing my hands like you know. 'cause like film jeff daniels said to me he said you gotta to learn how to use your face because most of films face and i'm a mouth breather so that's tricky every time you cut the maitha. My mouth is going to be like if i look at myself on. Film like is my mouth fucking open. Can't just tell me to close my mouth. Well the moustache copes a little bit. I can't be aware of everything. And that's something that's deep. I just never breathe through my nose. So like i can't worry about that while i'm acting on top of everything else to breathe through my nose but i tell you know i think the best month Heard was what is acting. Yeah and and i think this some better than anything. I've ever is pretending to be someone else but really really meaning it. Yeah right and that's all you need to know really you guys. Don't it need to go to drama. School submitted that shit. But do you feel like you've gotten better over time. Of course right her behalf. You're always pretty good. Though i mean. I remember like i don't know the really. I can't remember if i saw my brilliant career but i remember the that the damian movie dallas scary I wish people didn't remember that. Really why like You know that was one of the great characters. The anti christ you have a problem with the wasn't very happy with foam. It's but but i thought what was the problem in your mind. I just wasn't very good. It was very early days but forgive myself for it. How many movies have you forgotten how you must. You must have forgotten it. Yeah someone said it was seventy five movies or something like that hung up. Yeah but you can't remember all of them but the the the I thought that problem with praying. The anti christ and the gift is this. It must be the loneliest job in in the world being anti christ. You think i don't know. Ask our resident. Yeah well i mean it is kinda yeah i do. There's no way a buffoon could be the anti christ if you're going to be the antichrist you're going to be really clever onto otherwise in that i mean the last president was a was a complete buffoon dangerous buffoon before never give you know. Never arm A clown now. If if you're really into christ yeah you can't go around saying Oh look Can i take you on a friday night. This is nice. Isn't it Another martini by the way. I'm the anti christ. It was just going to run run. Run screaming out. They or they're or they're gonna go like syria now. Okay okay come on. It's scary that yeah. All the guys told me that i'm the anti christ doesn't turn me on out of here. Take another another angle new angle. So you thought he was to human. That was your problem. I thought i felt kind of sorry for him. Must be sudden lonely. But that's that's good lonely. I've seen guys overplay satan. I mean pacino. Just chewed up the scenery in devil's advocate and it's a lot of satan. Hello come on his two out of him chewing scenery in the early days. Do you remember. I don't know he's doing seen it all happened. After scarface scarface was turning point. And everything was like what happened in that film. He just was talking with. Yeah no he did. Tony montana but You know what it was scent of a woman to who you know and then you know the you know the but you know what he's he can still do it sam. Did you see him. Play jack kevorkian. Great he was great net. The hbo he can still. He can still dial it way down. He comes in a little hot. Because you know it's got a lot to prove now but you can if you wanna take it that he does bio-pics now and he's very good at it. Have you ever done. A bio pic Yes i did. I played I very Famous kind of trump ask mining magnate straight. It what's that movie called. His name was lang hancock and he you know he. He made a fortune from just flew over these hills and said why these hills read. I realized they would like ninety percent. I am and he became one of the wealthiest men on the planet. Wow from just that little insight and so egypt strip mined new zealand. Australia australia australia. Yeah the other seemed like. Some people made a lot of money in australia. The cattle money. They're kidman family. But i i found out. It's not nicole right that no so to you i. I interviewed her recently. And i was like so come on. Tell us about you know you're not half australia right now. That's not me at like so that was good question. Should she might. She might have really been that kidman but she's always sitting i want i don't know it doesn't seem like it. Unless her dad was like the black sheep of the family. You know i. Can you worked with her. That was a big movie right. The what which movie was dead. Calm right did did com. Yeah and she was good always right. She was fantastic. I'm not sure if that would be appropriate least days i think i was forty one and she was twenty two or something like that. The characters are in real life. Well we went dating. We would just We would just in the move together. I get it. But i mean that was the. You're implying that that the relationship on screen wasn't appropriate correct. I'm not saying you were dating. No it's just i there's a lot of sensitivities about I've i've done material on it as a comic. I've talked about dating younger women. I you know it's like someone. I did a joke years ago on letterman and i got an email. 'cause someone side in there like maybe you should figure out how to take that down mike you you just want me to a race. My history this. It's a it's a good joke. He starts scrambling to it was on television man. That's not going to happen buddy but Was so what happened with. James bond that you know that could have been a game changer. I my bringing up a touchy stuff. It almost always get asked about this. I went to it. I was sent along reluctantly by by my agent in the early eighties. Hick the donning the cost new james modern new glue should be the nugent. I said i want to be james bond. Darling i'm telling you to get so i went. I had the excruciating. Yeah auditions and a. There's no way. I want to do it and be. There's no way to offer it to me and they didn't was released so i didn't have to say that. But i tell you what i would have traded about it because today i mean it's it's like being branded. Yeah yeah and i got to. If if i'd done that i would having spoken to get on some coffee at my local village and there would be people i don't know that would get. Oh my god look. That's james bond over there. That's the one i always. I always hated the bad. The crap bond over there in the corner house sad that that would be with you for the rest of your life so dodge. The bullet there. I have not watched a james bond movie in the forty years. I think the last movie i saw was a roger moore james bond movie i missed all the jeep timothy dalton ones. I don't care about it anymore. Yeah so which one would you have been the one that dalton dalton don't doesn't that gig and i've made him once i think in a car park as you yeah i i. I don't think i've seen one dalton bond and then we wasn't there another bond to that i before Didn't they remington steele guy's name who lives in hawaii. He's australia there was. There was george lazenby an australian. He did one. What about the guy who was in hawaii. What's his name. I can't remember i think. Brosnan pierce brosnan piss. Anne pierce was very good and he wanted to be james bond. He was very good at it. Where's he from australian. He's irish irish. I saw him in that movie I watched a bob hoskins movie the long good friday bob hoskins plays a british mobster. Anne pierce brosnan plays of the Ira thugs. I've been watching old movies. Because what else are we supposed to do. I don't have a vineyard or sheep. i've just got. I've been my house. I smoked fish. I've got a as a smoker and making fish. That's what i do. What are the neighbors say about that. It's it's not a big operation. I'm talking one piece of fish. It's not like i've got to go out there. It's not it's not. It's not commercial now. I'm not you don't stinking out the block. Nah no. I'm not a problem in the neighborhood. Like a meth lab. It's a fish smoker. Whitty do you live. I live in the smith. Fish reaching a all i know i. It's horrific. how you and your this guy jew who smokes fish. Where do you think that's like fish guy. So what So then like looking back at the whole operation of your life i mean. Which movies are you like that. I nailed it. Nailed that one. I don't think you have a really nail behind. come on no no. There's always something always. There's always a floor but in a nothing's perfect and if if the if you like when did you get close. Look for the people to judge on. I your experience. At now i look. I'm mostly mortified by watching myself. I don't enjoy it. i don't enjoy it. I don't enjoy watching really but about if other people enjoy them. I'm happy and and the thing about rams is the is that i've had such warm response to people. People have been getting hold of me and said sort of film that makes you feel better about things. Yeah and and that's a bit of a gift in in these rather bleak time. I have been i have to tell you. I've been looking at a lot of recent movies. Because i mean the academy in an i need to be a need to see what's going on in this. Been some very good films but almost universally. They're they're a bit depressing and yeah. Which one did you watch I really like the suitable. You know what does it the suitable girl. That was the last I dunno promising. He's alps up a promising young woman. You watch titles. Yeah that was that was. i mean. that's a bleak film but it's a very good film. Did you watch you know you know which ones are real killers at. Did you watch that pieces of a woman. Well that's rough. Did you watch that. Nomad land watch that with them. Mcdormand how was that. It's good. I mean she is. She's just amazing. Isn't chaser so remarkable and and it's very interesting film that it's seemingly completely unstructured. The i watched Aside love him so much. I just watch the news. The world with tom hanks was echo is an object lesson how to act on square eighty and and he has such sort of warmth and humanity which is no one like him. You know yeah. It's it's really remarkable Yeah he is. I think like i the thing about rams. You know not to wrap it up on that movie. I didn't know what to expect from that movie. I didn't know where it was going to go. Yeah and it's always sort of heartbreaking you these deep family feuds and it's sort of interesting to me that you come from generations of people involved with spirits and this is a generational kind of you know Goat movie you know sheep movie. Yeah but all of it is so weighted. But it's so simple and everybody's so lovely and it and the woman who plays the vet. What's her name Rhonda richardson she's great. And i haven't seen her in a while you know. And what about the guy who plays your brother. Who's acai michael keeton. He's been a friend of mine since nineteen seventy nine. That's the last time we to get really. It was just so like. I just didn't know how it was going to resolve itself and it so It's so Kind of emotionally rewarding. You know oh good yeah. I'm glad you say that's good. Yeah it was it was. It was an does those fields. You know where. I am now on my vineyard if you if you drive a mile down the road there's a big old homestead and It was built in the eighteen. Ninety s i think. It's a huge huge house and it was inherited one point by two brothers and these brothers grew to hate each other to the extent that they could not live under the same roof But neither of them would leave so what they decided to do is to bring it up right through the center of the house. One lived on one in two thousand. Like that's crazy that takes a certain type of will let me ask you something so you you've had the first. When did you did you. Is this what you always wanted to do. I mean the did you. Did you get out of show business to be like. Did you buy a. I bought the land. Does fest three vineyards. I you know. We planted grapes. We didn't. It's already the last vineyard that i that was established that board. So it's thirty years now and it's you know i lead a sort of double life. I'm a jekyll and hyde. And the high just the guy. That's That's growing the grapes. And is i'm bishops dr. Jekyll is the guy that goes to work on the movies and and while it might seem like a double life it's also i think sort of a balanced life so it's somewhere between you know i got one foot in the arts and the other one in the soil i suppose so. It's not one or the other and you still like doing movies. Oh i love it. Okay and i and an- i wouldn't. I wouldn't go to work. If i didn't love it and i wouldn't be growing in thing here if i didn't love it so so. It is a balance. Yeah it's not. Like i gotta i gotta feed this bad idea that i can't see extricate myself from a my ex wife would have said that. Yeah what do you think you crazy matter. Well i tell you man. It was really a pleasure talking to you made my night. Markets limited. See it took here. Yeah we'll do it again some time but i think you got you got other stuff to do. Thank you so much. Thanks buddy take care. Okay bye now. That was fun that was. I really enjoyed talking sam. The film is called rams. It's definitely a sweet movie to watch highly recommended. Alright dig dig some hard rock ridge Boomer lives monkey the fonda. Get angels everywhere man.

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Mitchell Froom is Chairman of the (Mixing) Board

The Frame

25:36 min | 2 years ago

Mitchell Froom is Chairman of the (Mixing) Board

"From the Mon broadcast center at KPCC. This is the frame. I'm Steven Cuevas filling in for John horn on today's show weekend. One of the Coachella festival delivered plenty of onstage by romance. What about the music, and then my visit to Mitchell rooms recording studio, he's produced records for nearly forty years with artists such as Randy Newman and Bonnie Raitt near reflects on how the industry has changed. If you get a really great track. But there was a bad part in it. And I remember the someone Elvis Costello would say odd. Just put a tambourine over to be fine and a program that provides mentors from Hollywood for teen girls aspiring to writing careers all that coming up on the frame. Coachella festival just wrapped up its first of two weekends with headline performances from Arianna ground-ape, childish, Gambino tame Impala while more and more pop music continues to creep into a festival originally created the spotlight. Indie rock Coachella is also casting a wider net when it comes to booking artists from around the globe black pink became the first Cape girl group to play Coachella and LA times. Pop music critic, Michael wood says let the performers like loss do Gunness that wanna and Rosa Leah where some of the biggest crowd pleasers of the festival, but he says his overall Coachella experience left a bit to be desired. Coachella has really turned into a festival that seems optimized for YouTube so many times when I was watching shows this weekend. I got the sense that what they were thinking about was who was watching it home now that manifest and a lot of different ways. Childish Gambino, for instance, put on a performance that was musically. Not great. But had some incredible camera work. He had a camera like guys with steady cams gonna following them around into the crowd composing these amazing beautiful shots that than they put on the big screens could shell up. But you're standing on the field looking up these screens, and you're sort of wondering why did I come to the desert to look at a big screen that I could watch at home. Well, this has been a dilemma not only at Coachella, but it large concerts everywhere. But in this case, how was that moment and similar moments. Where an artist is trying to create a viral moment. How was that typically received by the audience? Yeah, I think you nailed it. It's not about being in the moment or trying to give a performance that really connects with the people in front of you. It's about what can we do to? Make this thing. Gained some traction online. Now, that's not necessarily the worst thing in the world. Weezer brought out chilly from TLC and tears for fears to do to the songs they cover on their -til album. And that was kind of funny. I mean that was a funny way to look at an old rock guitar band that otherwise had no business at modern Coachella. So you know, kinda got a kick out of that. But other times it felt desperate. I mean, Casey must graves who I love at some point in her show for some unknown reason she brought out this old Instagram celebrity this woman who I'm not personally familiar with. But it had nothing to do with anything. It was clearly just a moment to get people tweeting retweeting Instagram. Ing men of sense. I didn't understand it. Well, could shall I think can still be a great opportunity to discover a band. You know, you've never heard of or a performer. You may be never saw. Live before what were some if any standouts for you in in that regard. It's true. It's true. You know, I I sort of bag on the big marquee things and whether or not they're going good direction. But there are always other good things happening at Coachella this year. I really enjoyed sofi who is a an electronic producer. She had this performance that was felt like such a interesting critique of the sort of EDM experience. She was basically just standing completely still find her laptop or whatever while these huge distorted sledgehammer beats for playing, and she was totally resisting the classic sort of like getting the crowd pumped up thing. And then like right after her dip blow played in the big dance Sahara tent, which is exactly that sort of like, a are you with me type thing? So that that was a funny sort of contrast that I enjoyed Billy Bush was also definitely an interesting thing to see this is a young L A native singer whose gotten a lot of attention in the media and the past few weeks big dig hit record. And so I was interested at Coachella sort of see is this thing for real is this kind of a media narrative that here's the America's news popstar. Or is this someone who is truly connecting with an audience, and I'm here. To tell you. She's truly connecting with an audience. Just can't get enough guys. Just always. She was pretty late. I don't know if there's technical problem or whatever. But you nobody's really laid it could shell because they've got this livestream. So she was about thirty to forty minutes late and people stood there waited they wanted to see Billy that bad that that that was okay. And once you came on stage, you could just feel the excitement in the crowd now going into weekend to there are people who will be going for the first time who were not there for weekend. One any words of advice for them. My advice is just try to have an experience that is in the moment. I mean so much of the festival seems like it's it's being directed offsite. But one of the beautiful things about good shelhah when it's beautiful is that you've got a hundred thousand people gathered because they really loved music or maybe they like music and they love Instagram, and they're trying to have a good time. And when it works it works. Michael wood is pop music critic for the LA times, Michael thanks so much. Thanks, man. Good to here. And one news updates from Hollywood this weekend the contract between the writers guild of America and the association of talent agencies expired, the writers want agencies to sign a code of conduct that relates to fees that agents make from packaging production deals with no agreements in place writers are being encouraged to fire their agents, the frames John horn gives us a little insight on what all this might mean. I don't think it's going to have any immediate impact on production in any realm. I mean, a lot of these shows are already Sast, and according to the writers guild, if you have fired your agent, you can bring in a manager or lawyer to negotiate your deal, the writers guild believes that the college and say that's a violation of law. And they're gonna hire a law firm to fight that a lot of writers. I've talked to say that they don't really need their agents to get work. Anyway, you can find your own stuff on social media that you can get a recommendation from a friend. So the revenue that could be lost. We'll be to the talent. Agents and the writers themselves say that they may be getting a ten percent rate. I mean up on the frame, a visit producer Mitchell frames home studio where he recorded many top artists, including Randy Newman. Mitchell fromm has been the go-to producer collaborator for a host of legendary artists. Randy Newman, Elvis Costello, Bonnie Raitt and Los Lobos to name a few but fruits early days were actually in the spotlight as a keyboardist and songwriter in the San Francisco Bay area in the nineteen seventies. But from prefers the studio when that these days is also jammed with his collection of vintage keyboards and synthesizers including the Celeste used on mister Rogers neighborhood to create the sound of trolley. I don't know how exactly they do it. But. Stream. Freen still writes and records his own music to releases though are rare but earlier this month, he put out two distinctly different albums one called ether featuring a rotating cast of vocalists and monkey tree. A more experimental electronic based collection created with his studio partner, David voucher for our interview from and I settled in behind his mixing console or he had just wrapped up recording sessions for Rufus Wainwright's forthcoming album, while we've just finished last week, which was an epic undertaking. We spent almost a year and a half. Wow. Epic in terms of what exactly everything? His singing his writing his vocal arrangements and working with him was just a pleasure because he's open minded and at the same time had a tremendous amount of ideas. So in a situation like that. I just look for where I feel I can be helpful. It's trying to make sure that an overabundance of ideas work really well together. So got it. And it was interesting is is that it wouldn't work. Well for anyone but him, isn't that interesting? Yeah. Well, that's it's the same with Randy Newman. His arrangements are incredible. But those same arrangements wouldn't work really well for different artists because it's just part of who he is in. What is so? Well, you're also, of course, very skilled musician in wondering like early on in this career of yours like at what point did it. Seem that production was really going to be the direction you went to as opposed to being in a fulltime ban. A realized that I thought I had more going on musically and more understanding than a lot of people that were hiring me. So I started seeing all well as possible. I could do it. I never dreamed. I could do it. I was in all of the George Martin's of the world and just through weird set of circumstances. I started a I got to produce my first band, and then it just happened. My first solo record was basically a reworked soundtrack to an art porn movie called cafe flesh. And slash records. Yeah. Agreed. They want LA LA punk late. And then the second band, I work with with crowded house. So then that started all the sudden, I guess I was a record producer. But but you've also continued to put out music not very often. Jerry sold them to new collections out. Now, why do you only put something out every you know decade? I do it when I feel I have to usually like, for example, the I have an EP in a long form record, which are both totally different. But the long form record is all analog synthesizers and chamberlain's. Yeah. And I'd written this piece of music, and I thought well, why didn't I just try to orchestrate it because I work every day. I'm music on something. So I just whenever I had time. I just went to it. And I got really excited about doing it. It was extremely difficult. But maybe that's what made me excited about it. What was difficult about it? A lot is done one note at a time. It just took a lot of time five seconds a day or something is the most I could ever get. So in this in ether. I really got away from any kind of beat it out time except on a few songs where someone was playing guitar. There's no click tracks or anything that was holding it. So I wanted to just feel really open more conducted than sort of grew feeling which also made it much more difficult. Did you have the songs in your head? If you will. And then there was a matter of trying to get the right execution or mostly I would ride out the tunes. Okay. Harmony then I would go in and try to orchestrate that it was just a lot of experimenting. For me that kind of project. It really helps me in my job. Because I now have a million ideas of things when I'm dealing with a song. I say I've got all these techniques I've developed so for example, there's one song on Rufus Wainwright's record. That is all his him at the piano, and then it's all since and I use a little drum machine. So I got to bring that to his music in a different way. Right. Some of the knowledge you were getting with the experimentation. Yeah. So I gave the confident and he heard it, and he's and he had just written. This new song that was kind of funny. And he said, well, why don't you just and we were sort of out of money? He's won just do any of those things try that and see how that goes you have to given the lunge every of your career, you constantly have to be up to speed with different technologies can do with instruments and just ideas for people. Yeah. You know? And and so it's we hopefully with each artist. You can understand them on a deep level and help develop music that sounds unique to them. And that's not easy. You can't just say, oh, I've got this one way that I work. And now, there's our we're going to do the bass and drums and guitars, and then you'll be fine because it worked on this other guys record. No, not at all. Everyone's so different. We're here in the studio with producer Mitchell fromm, and he's got to new records out when it's called ether. And the other is called monkey tree. We hear a number of different vocalists on ether including Pete, Molly Nari, and it had Edmonson and this veteran Russian rock singer. Sousse, little sold. He found me through Richard Thompson. Oh, and he's he's in this legendary Russian band called aquarium. He said they they used to just play in tiny apartments. And then all the sudden with the fall of communism also news playing stadiums. And but yes, really famous with on his own. His name is Boris GRA bench. Takoff right. I think he goes by b g now. Qisas much of a stars anybody I've ever worked with in my life. I love this guy in this case. He this piece that's on. Here was one section of a three part piece of music. He had on one of the records. We did. And I just asked them. Hey, could I just take your vocal and your guitar and just create a completely different thing? I see we'll tell me what what Boris thought of the finished product. He said it was fine. What are some of the things that have really changed, technology wise? Recording wise in the studio. I mean how much different of a place is the studio today. It's a guess it's just a different time. And the and what's gone that makes me the saddest is the amount that I learned being in on sessions from different people listening. He just amount I learned from Jim Kelton or Pete Thomas or David Hidalgo. It was much more of a kind of community where you could really learn and now people are facing just themself at home. It's just different. I can't really explain it. Then and some scenes, I know some people are working in a way where they have like a community, and they can do stuff together. It feels different to me, it feels more isolated and here a lot of things. On the radio. And it just sounds like one guy at home just kinda like putting it together. Like, you know, you've worked on this. A little too much beat beat the life out of it. Or it doesn't have that. I know what you mean and electric city or whatever you want to say, whatever that X factor, whatever they call it that you would have with with a with a band, and if you get a really great track, but there was a bad part in it. You know, I remember like someone Elvis Costello would say, oh, just put a tambourine over to be fine. You know, like just that. But that kind of thinking. Yeah. Not like, okay. We'll let me get in here, and I'm going to fix this. And then and then I'm gonna copy it, and then it's going to appear like this every single time. And you know, those things are flattening elements and people are so used everything being perfectly in time and perfectly in tune. If you start to completely tuna vocal. So it's perfectly in tune. You're gonna lose a lot. So what what's coming around the pike. Do you think? I mean, I don't know there. Everything that that's the thing. Now is someone said there's something that chameleon recordings coming out every year. What I'd like is it all bets are off like in the eighties. When I started producing those now six rivers on the snare drum. There was all these things that would happen that were part of the sound of the day. And then there was like when after Nevada came out everything had to be like below middle c just had to be deep and low anything above that sounded corny. But now, you can do anything. That's a producer Mitchell from his new records are ether and monkey tree and Mitchell, thanks for letting us come into your studio and bother you for a little while. Oh, my pleasure. Thank you. Coming up on the frame a program that provides mentors from Hollywood for teen girls aspiring to write for a living. There's a mentoring program in Hollywood called right girl. That's right with a w that pairs actors and writers with teen girls. At a recent star studded events if you prominent actors brought some of the teen stories to life KPCC's arts education reporter, Carla heavier takes us there. There's a space off vine street called the Linwood Dunn theater. It's very Hollywood there. These giant like bigger than life sized Oscar statuettes that flank hallways lined with behind the scenes photos of Hollywood hits in one of those hallways. I mean eighteen year old Sam from east LA. I'm right girl. I've been right grow for six seasons. Sam is referring to a free L A based program called right girl. That's w our IT. It's for expiring writers like her ages thirteen to eighteen who are looking for guidance from women writers who volunteered to share their expertise. Write girl pairs hundreds of teen girls with professionals for workshops and one on one mentoring. The teen girls are out of vulnerable stage in their life. So right girl asked us. Not to use their full names every month. Right girl offers sessions focused on different aspects of writing and Sam is here in this glamorous space owned by the academy of Motion Picture Arts and sciences because at the last workshop in character in dialogue, the right girls wrote scripts and now the organization has arranged for actors to take those stories from the page to the stage and SAM's hoping her script gets chosen. That's very exciting fingers crossed. I get something in there. This event helps the organization raise enough money to help the teams, and it's also a chance for them to see their work interpreted by professionals and not just any professionals, but a star studded cast this time actors like Keiko again ah from Gilmore girls Kirby. Hello Baptiste, Wayne Brady and Seth Rogan are bringing the girls writing to life. The actors perform fourteen of the scripts including SAM's. Here's how teased reading a monologue Sam row seriously. How easy does he think this is stab stabber you dead? No, see my job takes precision. I have to track. The jagged down find hide out and grow through this whole process or like this scene written by seventeen year old Rachel where Keiko again plays a student who's excited. She got into her dream college until she notices something on her acceptance letter, my dedication to athleticism and commitment to water polo. We. Water polo. I don't even know how to swim. A panel of female screenwriters give feedback on the scripts like on that last one producer screenwriter Josiane mcgibbon known for runaway bride and desperate. Housewives has this to say one thing. That's so hard to do that. You did is really take us on such a journey. The shows hosted by actor and New York Times bestseller, Lauren Graham, this is her first year as a right girl mentor herself being creative being playful having fun. Finding your voice I I wish I'd had that at a younger age be cut up after the show, and she told me she mentors is right girl because she believes it's important for teen girls in particular to find their voice that can only be positive for the creative world for the political world for the world. Let's talk about that. I second the creative world in TV women writers represented just twenty five percent of the writers on broadcast network shows. According to a twenty eighteen study from the center for the study of women in television and film at San Diego State. Eight in film. The stats are even more dismal women writers represented just fifteen percent of all writers on last year's top one hundred films. It's something Victoria who comes to rate girl from the valley says she thinks about I caught up with her by the red carpet after the show, we have too many of the same stories was, you know, not to invalidate anyone's experiences, but new stories need to be told. She's just fourteen years old. And this is her first year with right girl, her script got chosen to I heard like the names, Alex, Diane, which are the characters and story, and I like freaked out and I turned to hurt. I was like oh my God. Mom like. Listen as like reading out and everything in her seeing the characters are getting ready for a party when Alex played by Rogan has something to get off his chest. I know you don't get it. And you've lived your whole life. Not, you know, having a target your shirt to make sure your stomach wasn't bulging out, and we've never had to wear massive hoodies to hide your hideous body, and you can walk into a mall and not feel the changing room stalls closing in on you taunting you for not fitting in a suit. And I'm glad you don't. And I hope you never do because it's soul-crushing, and I love you, and I wouldn't ever want you to experience something like that. Seth delivered the lines a little bit differently than what I had imagined. But I actually found it to be a lot more like moving the way that it was. So like honest during the panel discussion writer, actor and director Lauren Miller Rogin had this to say about Victoria's work. The bravery that a writer can have inputting some of those really raw emotions in a scene can be so rewarding to the people who are enjoying your material victorious has she was thrilled to get this kind of feedback on her first real script. Oh my goodness. Like, if you're telling me that this is good like, maybe I can actually like make something out of this. That is kind of the point says, right girls, founder and executive director. Karen taylor. They have a lot of potential if you work with them when they're young before they get that idea that it's on a table or they get doors closed on them. She says that's one of the reasons why they host this event with the academy in their building. You just get this feeling like you're part of this whole lineage of film writers. I'm not at school. I'm not at a community center. I'm right here in Hollywood with Hollywood writers that are going to help me do this next month the girls take on creative nonfiction by writing memoir. The audio of the performances is courtesy of the kademi of Motion Picture Arts and sciences, the frame, I'm Carla heavier. Speaking of writing the Pulitzer prize for drama was awarded today the Jackie siblings dreary for her play. Fairview price for music was given to composer Ellen Reid for prism which had its world premiere last fall here in LA and a posthumous special citation was awarded to Aretha Franklin. That's all for today. I'm Steven Cuevas. Thanks for listening. John is back here tomorrow.

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invisible arts 02: The Amazing Fire Engine Red Flying Piano

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03:56 min | 11 months ago

invisible arts 02: The Amazing Fire Engine Red Flying Piano

"Welcome to invisible with. Richard. Kids. Brought to you by armory a hominy. Ever see a movie called the Red Violin. This is my true story. The story of the amazing fire engine Red Flying Piano. Once upon a time I was the musical director for the Tracey Ullman show on Fox. A sketch variety show with Tracy, exhibiting her prodigious talent as an impersonator of the highest order. Parliament funke bellicose George Clinton wrote the theme you're listening to right now. Every week we had a different guest star on the show once we had Steven Spielberg. He was actually kinda nervous. He wasn't used to being in front of the camera. I was to teach him how to sing. It's a small world. He actually didn't know the lyrics. He screwed it up after all the coaching and everything else. He ended up singing. It's a world of laughter a world of Beers. With my own voice I put it in the T. in beers became tears. Another week we had Tim Curry on the show he of rocky horror picture show fame. He was to play a down on his luck feeding Rockstar. I was tasked with the job of finding a piano that would be fit the living room of that character. I started calling around the rental companies in town. See Anybody had like a liberace style mirrored piano or something crazy. and. One rental companies don't we have this fire engine Red Yamaha c seven grand piano. It's unplayable. Strings. Are Broken. It's beat to hell but it's fire engine red. That's perfect. The skit Culture Tim to accompany himself on the piano while singing lonely at the top by Randy Newman. I been around. My Gov. Problem was tim didn't really play piano. So we rented another piano for the piano player in our house band. To play just off camera while Tim faked it on camera. And while I was conducting the orchestra playing the rest of the parts. This particular fire engine red piano head started out life as a white piano with a fine polished white lacquer coat. At. One point it'd been Diana Ross's touring piano. Dan Russia had her entire set painted red including this piano. Happened at that time, I was in the market to buy piano. Yamaha seven always been kind of the studio standard. And I couldn't really afford A. Certainly couldn't afford a new one in used ones were. Generally going in the range of thirteen and fifteen thousand dollars, which was still a little steep to me. But. I knew about this fire engine. Red. Piano that was thrashed I didn't really care what it looked like it was just going to be ensconced in my. Little basement studio in the valley.

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The Journal of a Disappointed Man by W.N.P. Barbellion

Backlisted

1:07:10 hr | 1 year ago

The Journal of a Disappointed Man by W.N.P. Barbellion

"Yes he's REMM. Visit beginning into the rule. Five weeks into lockdown now. This has been a long week. Yeah Very Long Week. I keep expecting the weeks to get better so yeah. I don't know why it's just my optimistic nature Andy but of course they of course they don't of course of course they don't mind pessimistic yes otherwise. I'm not pointing the nature. I've got woods in one direction and the sea in another direction. I'm very very lucky right. But I'm pining for an art gallery anymore nature. I Wanna I wanna live is a manmade shrimps. Plays Sick the spring I am. It's not the same online at all. Those pictures it really is. It's not the same as in real life. It's the these attempts to have kind of social gatherings online. I find very unconvincing. I have to say I don't know lots of people kind of asking if other people can hear them and drinking wine with sort of RIPTA's grins and pretending it's all fine to kind of isn't really. It's like a- publishes policy by any other name. At least you get to fix your own wine. I suppose I is true so I recruited Trying to do my bit for society and inspired boy. Randy Newman social distancing song. I recorded this last week and locked listed patrons got to hear this last week but we thought it might be nice to everyone to hear it the show your hands. Please stay safe space x gorgeous. Andy it's going to get it gets better from here. So that's the backlist when I changed the world by was so infused by that and also by reading Craig Brown's new book which is about. Can you imagine a? I'm would enjoy more than a massive six hundred page book by Craig Brown about the Beatles. There is literally no book designed cheering a lockdown as well just brilliant funny but mature about it on another episode but inspired by that. I have a recorded another social distancing so but this time it's a a Beatles related samba. I've changed the words win. All swim one thing is will never give in from me. See All will well. I'm the episode. Hasn't even started for Fli right. Shall we the whole album to sit there and listen to the Republicans isn't album worth isn't that must be loads of very very good songs about not being able to touch? I'M IN THE MIDDLE OF WRITING. An email to my publisher. Say Now the reason I'm too I'm so lately. My book is T- warned the global calamity and to I'm recording an album of social distancing lyrics of Beatles cover versions and spinoffs. Is that okay? So that'll be. That'll be fine wine. You'll have to release it in the next three weeks. Oh yes it's like. All great pop music class it has to capture the moments and then it's gone three weeks. Obviously obviously everything we find three weeks. We have to believe good. Let's go okay. Hello and welcome to back. Listed the podcast that gives new life to old books today. You find in South Kensington. Meandering on our way from the natural history museum to the alcohol to see a Beethoven symphony performed but were in. No hurry distracted by the faces in the clothes of almost everyone. We meet FRETTING ABOUT IRREGULAR. Beatings of our heart. I'm John Richardson. The publisher unbound the platform where redes- crowd fund. The books really want to read. And I'm Andy Miller author of the year of reading dangerously and joining us today from the fall corners of this United Kingdom. Aw Class Fuller Hollow player. Hello Hello CLA- didn't start writing fiction until she was footsie her first novel. Our endless numbered days won the 2015 Desmond Elliott Prize. Her second. Swimming lessons was shortlisted for the encore prize. And Her third. Bitter Orange is long listed for the International Dublin Literary Award. Congratulations on. That's when yeah when Tara the something like one hundred novels long listed for that right okay. Well Good Luck. Pushes publishes love that price for that very reason the the old slightly better getting listed the most but it still an achievement wonderful. That's a brilliant shaven playwrights flash fiction and short stories and many have been shortlisted in competitions. She's one of the BBC opening lines short story competition and the Royal Academy pin-drop Pros. Her fourth novel unsettled. Ground will be published in twenty twenty one and in addition to being wonderful. Roy Sir I can tell you. The Claire is a good egg. I do not award. Stay at. That's true good anchorages lightly clan. You do not dispense it. Clay is a beacon of good humor and commonsense. Oh thank you we're also joined today by will- Atkins Welcome back will and welcome back. Hello and I will. I should've said had I am the player and thank you. Thank you will is the author of the more about England's Moorlands and the immeasurable world a travel book about the world's Desert's which one lost Stanford dolman travel book of the Year Awards. Congratulations he also writes the golden the F. T. Harpist and GRUNTER. This is his second appearance on battling a he joined. Us Lost Year for episode on great expectations by Charles Dickens. One of my happiest memories is the look on his face when we played him. Experts from Mike read's musical adult life expectations song by Darren Day. He didn't really expect. That's the way things are going to go it unforgettable moment for me but he too is a good egg so we have two good eggs joining us today. Jones both curate's egg so I decided I should. I should hope so. That's kind of annoying. We've got Speaking of curious eggs the book they have chosen for us to discuss. Today is one close to your heart. Andy the swamp the Journal of a disappointed man by W. N. P. Bob Bellion published in nineteen nineteen by Chechen windass. Bob Elian being the pseudonym of the writer. And naturalist. Bruce Frederick Cummings. Yes I absolutely love. This book as longtime listeners will know it's been on the Pokhara as we mentioned Even have been mentioned on the very first episode about this All those years ago and you have as your pin tweet a quote from this book for for a long time. Maybe still there studied had that I had that passage pin the tweet. I mean. We're all quite highly strung at the moment. Are we gonNA read out later. I will read out later. But it's like one of my favorite things not just from this from any book. It's like a combination of a yellow rage at the sky and a mission statement and an idea of how to create. You know how to be an aesthetic person how to approach your art and all those things look. Let's be honest. This is the highlight of my week and year and on some level I we've engineered all of bat listed so we could do this book on no pressure. Everyone knows but this is. This really is one of my favorite books and so before we start and and before I ask him what he's been reading this week. I just want to say I just WANNA ask my friend. You'll Mitchelson did you enjoy it. I absolutely loved it. It was I it's one of those books suddenly now kind of swarm into the if I ever think about journals or diaries or essential texts that you would want to give to somebody about the difficult process of moving out of child into into adulthood. I think this is a greater because Not Subject has ever been written in the added as we'll discuss the added quality that it has of a man also in his early twenties having to having to cope with illness and then The the the onset of certain death makes it. I just a unique tax. I would put it in the very close to the top of the of the best books I read in a very long time. This is the third time I've read it and went on and read the last diary as well which will talk about and I found it incredibly moving this time very very context isn't a myth is who you are and where you are and what you're doing when you read a book and whether you've read it before not ready before this. I found this very powerful. Thank you for an engineering and adjust to judgment. Obviously but this is. This is something else I think they anyway on Joan. Anyway come on hold out on me. What have you been reading this or I decided to share something that I read on? Almost constant basis is my. I think my favorite reference books one of my favorite reference books. It's the Oxford companion to food by Alan. Davidson is a sort of touchstone book for me because it showed me that reference doesn't have to be written by panels faceless kind of North American academics. It can still be the heroic work of one human being and this case Alan Davidson. Who was a diplomat? A British diplomat for many years With a fantastic reputation for being eccentric. he famously Cancelled a banquet in Laos when he was The ambassador there because he'd heard that was a species of the giant catfish that it never had never been seen. Never been recorded by Western science had been caught in the north of the country the PA Buke catfish so he cancelled the reception leave left. Everybody went up north and was away for about three weeks. Found it sent the stuff back to the Natural History Museum of which more later with What he considered to be the eight outstanding mysteries still. You'll still unsolved about this fish. He was relieved of his post. But diplomacies loss was Gastronomy gain because he went on to write the three of the I think Three of the great books so on on Mediterranean Seafood He was he was basically. He'd made lots of notes about Mediterranean Sea Food and he was put in touch with Jill Noman. The editor of the legendary Penguin Cookery Library and she commissioned him turn that book into a Mediterranean Sea Food and then after that came seafood of Southeast Asia and North Atlantic seafood but his magnum opus which was commissioned by Oxford in nineteen seventy six. It took him twenty. Two years to right is the Oxford companion to food starts with aardvark and ends with Zucca in delays. Possible food stuff preparation food. There is not a single recipe and it was. That was the only rule he set himself. He's just a glorious writer. He has a wonderful humorous way of disembowelling. What could be quite dry subjects like in other sort of bullying points off a fat? And so he's he's wonderful. I'll really too little tiny little so you got a bit of The feeling on garlic. He said to say that by the end of the twentieth century golly could conquer the world would be something of an exaggeration. There is still ethnic and cultural groups. Some in Britain and North America for example who get with dislike and distrust who simply do not use it but it is coming close to complete penetration of the kitchens of the world and if folklore is correct it spread must be bringing ever closer the the extinction of the vampire just gorgeous to have that in a in a reference Here he is on Pease Pudding. A food stuff from my From my homeland up in the Northeast. This is what he has to say about it. It has been suggested that the old nursery rhyme pease pudding how peace putting cold piece putting in the pot nine days old referred not the inevitable appearance of the dishes all meals but to the making of a fermented products like a semi solid version of Indonesian tempe or primitive form of Japanese Mizuho. Certainly if the procedure in the rhyme were followed boiling cooling and leaving for nine days micro organisms naturally present would have caused some kind of fermentation to take place but unless some kind of started being used the most likely result would have been spoilage. There's another find a little bit was Hamilton cheeks. He talks about cheeks and cheeks included in stews positive Celsius zero because cheek muscles exercise constantly. The meat needs to be tough and may need long cooking. Todd cheeks on the other hand tender morsels. Perhaps because Carter not eating all the time and do not exercise their cheeks in making noises. It's one of my favorite books is imprinted imprint totally yes. I'm pleased to say not only is. It is a great book. It's also a book that will I think be there forever has been revised twice anyway. That's that's me Andy would have you been reading. I've been reading a new novel. Boy Nikita allow one they now Nikita has been a guest on Butler. She has or she came home with a friend. Matt Thorne to talk about something happened by Joseph Heller. And she's going to be with us next time mats and the cancer coming back to about the world. According to Garp by John Irving but I wanted to talk about indicators noble now because I didn't want to embarrass her by talking about it in front of her next time I pick this up a ousted interest and politeness and I put it down Uttley grit boy. I thought it was completely wonderful and It's cold you people. It was published by Viking And the absolute perfect time to publish a novel three weeks ago so Nikita has been working on this book for some time Here is Roy. There are no bookshops open in currently in which you can buy it but there is an audio book. It's available on kindle. It's getting really great reviews. And it's absolutely terrific so if you won't et novel which is gripping and funny and moving and tremendously well observed which for a novel set in a pizzeria. In south London is quite a claim but nonetheless I just thought it was so so enjoyable and It's a novel about a pizzeria. That looks like any other Italian restaurant but the chefs who make the pizzas and the people who work there Sri Lankan and hope the kitchen staff are illegal. Immigrants set about I think about fifteen years ago and at the center is a carrot cooled Tooley. Who is the proprietor of the restaurant? And I'll read you a little bit just from the From quite early on Just to set the scene The character here. Nia is a waitress who works at the restaurant in those days. They were all a bit in love with Tuli. Everyone who worked for him in the restaurant. They couldn't help it somehow. It came with the territory assaulted admiration leavened with kind of vulnerable unrequited romance. Nia considered this oddity often. She really did mean all of them male or female front of House or the kitchen. Take your pick. The waiting staff aver from Spain. The Gaggle of South Asian Cooks Schon region. Guna vasant fan even a shan the clip French Tamil Guy. He shared the lease with him. Purveyor of crucial expertise from working out quotes the Pizza Express. This is how they appeared to her. Even though will maybe because Tuti was so infuriating endearing in equal measure. It wasn't just because they were beholden to him. You could argue that. He had rescued everyone. Who was there from something or some one? But this was more to do with his manner with his way of being lovely lovely and actually what the novel is about. I think is it's a novel about generosity of spirit and a novel that believes in people whoever they are wherever they come from. I'm whatever they do and regulations to this podcast with appreciate that. I haven't made that sound much like my suicide thing. Generosity of spirit. It doesn't usually like my boat but I just you know I really believe in books. That are I really believe that you come to serve six When on certain books find you when you need them at the moment you need to read them and as the message of you people by Nikita. Elwani is fundamentally up with people. That's all you need to hear at the moment and I'm sure what we all need to hear so it's great and if you're GONNA buy by now about fifty pages in an absolutely loving it so it's funny I had to do a Charity Transatlantic Brooke Group as she yourself doing in these insane times on Wednesday evening on Bernardine. Evaristo no-go women other which that had to read it last year and have to reread it again. Nikitas a bit like Bernie never restore in the same way that they make characters that that you immediately fall in love. They make it look very very simple to do it. It isn't it's just such A. It's such a gift and the feeling of sort of life as I fifty pages in that you know that pizzeria you. It's so familiar. It's so part of all our experiences of south London but the characters is so vivid so strong so on definitely finish it but great good choice. I is collided. Head on with stuff graveyards. False goes I scuff at pettiness which pleased so rough walk upside down inside handcuffs. Kick my legs to crash it off. Say Okay I've had enough whereas can show me if my thought dreams could be seen it. Probably put my head Guillotine but it's all right mall its life and live only so through that in because whereabouts about the general disappointed by W M people billion you will know that was Bob Dylan and I was listening to that yesterday and I just thought wow. That's so interesting that that voice. I mean the voice the voice and the combination of the lyrics in one of the things I think so remarked about the gentleman disappointed about Bob billion as a writer is he's one of the first examples of Voice of the twentieth century. The Voice of the Dan tended man the young person the the the person who is thinking intellectually and spiritually simultaneously and adolescence. Kind of projected adolescence. And you know I can find numerous examples of that. I people on twitter with telling me all sorts of songs about disappointment. But I thought you know kind of that dylan voice that kind of vulnerable yet. Cokie that some that spell billion so let me ask let me ask our guests Will when did you first hear read that particular voice? When did you first fine? W? Npr billion I- am. It's quite clay. I've played his memory of when I when I kind of is still living in twenty years ago I guess As living and I found this. Little Sutton paperback of this book can. Oxfam all counts of research. And it had a picture of a of a young man in flannels lounging in a meadow with a butterfly net. Beside so kind of bucolic looking. And I think the reason I was doing it was kind of partly that enticing title but also the first slide which is January nineteen ninety-five when he's he's a teenager and he writes. I'm writing an essay on the life history of insects and had abandoned the idea writing on how cats spend the time the frankness the literary nece the childlike quality of that of that opening line which I found seductive but it sat on this books on my shelves. I think pretty ten years and then I for whatever reason the same reasons rediscovered and for a period became kind of totally obsessed with it and I have a few copies. Coveted annotation posted nights and and exclamation marks written in the in the the margins. And I think I have a habit of coming onto your show Talking about books about which I attempted to Roy Book and so I took about expectations last year and I started is a book about Metro landscapes of expectations which I got my way and Light Y. I had this idea ten years ago writing a book about billion who was extraordinarily character and then after a year with of Soda Piecemeal Sporadic Research realized. Actually somebody's already written there. The definitive biography of barbarian on. That's that's bobby as you were saying it's kind of you you come back to and I've been reading it in this this some strange air of illnesses and incarceration where we're living through and yet it's it's profoundly moving as it awaited particularly now so you will you mentioned the title. I think the title is at the first of the genius of the book. I don't WanNa read any books. That aren't calls journal of a disappointed man. The best possible title is if you respond to the title. You'RE GONNA love the book if you if you understand the slightly. Your is humor at work. Claire when did you first discover the Journal of a disappointed man? I was definitely through back listed and your recommendation but whether that was the first episode or the first episode combined with twitter does that. How long is this going so yes okay so it must have heard about it and then bought it and I read it in January last year so January two thousand and nineteen am. I absolutely loved it and I. I keep track of the books that I read on good reads and I write. Just a mini kind of digital review. Rarely myself just to remind myself what I've read and and that And then at the end of the year I do a kind of my top ten reeds of the year and the journal disappointed man was in there of course but I just also want to read you. Just very start of that of of the review from tweets. I wrote because it just kind of sums up for me so I can't remember the last book. Why underlined as many lines or laugh as much or cried actually cried quiet rolling tears while my husband slept beside me in bed. It's so so moving so funny. He's just such a real character. When when I finished I felt bereft. My very felt lightly you had lost him and and then I read again served a second time and that was really interesting because I spotted so much more stuff and it was quite interesting to see about the edits because he had edited it himself so the decisions he had made. I was kind of more aware of those second time. That was very interesting. Because it's an an autobiographical journal on just going to read out the biography. That's on the back of this vintage penguin edition of Man. Because it's interesting. The there is a blow job which is quite good on the inside cover. But the law is the blurb really To some extent so I'm going to read law I w. n. p. barbarian was born in eighteen. Eighty nine that's not as real name is his real. Name is Bruce Frederick Comings and he chose the name W. N. P. Barbarian the barbarian was a the name of a chain of sweet shops in the near the Natural History Museum in South County. Just love is so great and W. N. P. STANDS FOR WILHELM. Niro pilot the names in his words that three days three days slaves. The end for Niro Parlors wrote his brother on Christmas Day. One thousand nine hundred seventeen to his brother. How and he say that. That's just chosen. The name barbarian to win which he's going to put the BOOT will be published knows it's going to be published and he wrote to his brother. W. N. P. Ball billion exclamation mark. I think it is appropriately. Inflated and therefore extremely Suitable Double X. On that is a real ball. Bellion thing which will talk about you. Know the idea of of a kind of very knowing inflation of self dramatizing persona which is based on his actual persona. But isn't him anyway. His father was a newspaper reporter in a West country town unable to afford him any other education than that offered to a local private school. Is this reason that the boy although showing a remarkable interest in natural history was apprenticed to his father as a reporter at the age of sixteen. He detested newspaper work and managed to find a job at the Marine Laboratory Plymouth for sixty pounds a year but had to throw it up when his father's illness left him responsible his family. He persevered in his spare time. Studies finally being offered a post at the South Kensington. Natural History Museum in Nineteen twelve. His health never robust grew steadily worse until he was told he had only a few years to live. It was under this sentence that he struggled with his biological work that he married and that he completed this book he died on the thirty first of December Nineteen Nineteen Joan. Water some of the subjects of this book. What is this book about? Well this book is. It is about being inside. Somebody's head first and foremost I mean it's it's full of incident. It's he starts endeavoured working for his father as it were kind of fitting his natural history his naturalist kind of stuff around that work and as you said hating it he then makes the huge moved to London and he spends a lot of time in London on his own flirting with attractive. Women going to concerts one of the incidental pleasures of this book is. He writes really wonderfully about music. I think he's he goes to a lot of nonsense. The Albert Hall there are two narratives. There's a narrative of his his development as a writer and then there is the the narrative of illness even before he gets diagnosed in one thousand nine fifteen with multiple sclerosis. There's a sense of him being doomed of his of his illness. This panic about the his heart. That the sense I've had the more visceral sense of what it must be like to be in a inside a body that isn't working properly and this causes him deep angst and anxiety About his future out of this comes a kind of a a sort of antic melancholy but he is so hamlet like as well you know that kind of he amuses himself in order to distract himself from the kind of looming sense of his own mortality and while he his his work you know he's very funny about his work on. Lice. It once he gets to London. That's that's that's really where. The kind of the book takes off on March Tenth Nineteen Nineteen in his journal. He wrote the following analysis of the journalists disappointed. Man and Claire I'M GONNA come to you after I read this out Maybe you would. You would find something to read us. Which illustrates one of these points. So this is the author's analysis of his own work after he'd written at the time and these are the topics they he thinks. The book is about one ambition to reflections on death. Three intellectual curiosity four self-consciousness. Foy Self introspection six zest of living seven. Huma eight shamelessness and he goes on to say. My confessions are shameless. I confess but I do not repent. The fact is my confessions of prompted not by ethical motives but intellectual. The confessions are to me. The interesting records of a self investigator so good. Do you think ace. Successfully sums up his work it will nothing love stuff to take in. Sir Yes probably. He's definitely an investigator and has amazing skills of observation. I think the thing. That's absolutely fascinating is third book which is tremendously knowingly. Self conscious. He even knows that that self consciousness is the stadium. Yeah Yeah as a topic of the book. It's Dole's within Dole's this book. It's trying to find a moment of truth package for the reader then reflect upon the way. It's been packaged for the reader. Then see the negative of that package as well. I'm Ben Reflect back on that now. That sounds awful. Except it's it's that wonderful ebbing and flowing of personality that comes off the page and like you were saying. He's such a brilliant he he can turn it on. Lice or himself or other people. Yeah Yeah did you have an example? I have a really good life six love. I love the lines. This is really short so the other day. A member of the staff listed institute called to see me on a Lousy Manta and presently drew some live lice from his waistcoat pocket. For me to see they were contained in pill boxes with little bits of. Muslin stretched across the open end through which the lice could thrust their little hypodermic needles. When placed near the skin he feeds them by putting these boxes into a specially constructed belt and at night ties the belt around his waist and all night sleeps in Alesia. He is not married. That's exactly right though. That's that clinic. Brilliant mixture of the oil and the humor. Yeah yeah he really knows how to place the line doesn't he? You know at the end of that. That comment is just so utterly perfect. You can't not laugh aloud when you when you read that you just what you were saying about. The editing is a an going back to your list Andy Zest for living which is Which is such a key thing in the book but here he is in the same year. Nineteen fourteen June thirtieth. There are books which are dinosaurs. And it's interesting dinosaur doesn't have the same connotation in nineteen fourteen as it does now for him. This was just something that was big and magnificent their books which are dinosaurs. So Walter Raleigh's history of the world gibbons decline in full of the Roman Empire. Us There are men who are dinosaurs. Bow Zach completing his human comedy Napoleon Roosevelt. I like them all. I like express trains and motor lorries. I enjoy watching an iron girder. Swinging the Arrow great cubes of ICE CAUGHT UP BETWEEN I N PINCHES. Almost always stopping. Watch these things. I like everything that is swift or immense London. Lightning POPO CATTA petal. I enjoy the smell of tar of cold fried fish of a brass band playing list. Rhapsody and why should these foolish main shout? Women's rights just because they burn down a church or bonfires at delectable civilization and top hats bore me my own. Life is like a tame rabbits if only I had a long tail to lash it in feline rage I would return to nature. I could almost turned to chaos. There are times when I feel so I would wreck the universe if I could. Oh then in brackets. He says I could see all the elephants with Hindustan and pick my teeth with the spire of Strasbourg Cathedral. Nine hundred seventeen. After three years of Magadan. I feel quite ready to go back to top hats and civilization him. I've really has this brilliant flourish. And then he says he actually it was bullshit. After three years of war I'd go back to civilization but I mean it's amazing right listeners. Why you even still. Let's get out. Why haven't you? Why haven't you pause there and go by the book because it's such a brilliant every single thing that you're hearing that the whole book as is good is this right is no like well? We just heard Claire reading an improved a revelatory and amusing passionate about lice ball belly. And I think you know you you said to me before we recorded that one of the things that really appeals to you is he. He's a nature Roy so but he's not sentiment sentimentally. Say he doesn't have sentimentality in him. It's getting kind of characteristic. He possesses Bazan entry towards the beginning of Journal. And he writes. It's best for a man to try to be both poet and naturalist not to be too much of a naturalist and so I look. The beauty of things will too much of a poet inside fail to understand them even perceive those hidden beauty's only revealed by place observation so I think he he understood the kind of diversity of ways of understanding the natural weld and anti condition for that matter and I think he had very much patience with the idea of nature's place guys to as one might guy to Chech- kind of solace but at the same time I mean I I live near a bit of land and I was out there the other day and on blazing blue skied spring day and surrounded by this blazing Goals and and it does feel like a giving. Sometimes I think about Bellona's wonderful kind of conveying by his the nation for the natural world as a scientist but also this kind of effect he makes to articulate the share kinda wonder enjoy of being in the natural world albeit a short bit from from August and again fairly early on site when he was still living devon before he he went to London and he writes ferry halt so went to s reverence maybe and believed in the salmon poll stretch myself out in the woods. A delighted to find the had lost got to the very heart of the countryside. I was not just watching from the outside on the bank. I was in it plunging in it to up to my armpits. What did I care about the British Museum Eulogy? Then over the last enemy. An object of conquest overcome for the moment perhaps even death himself was under the hail. I was in multiple in that minutes. I was always prostrate in the stream sunk deep in the bowels of old mother F. You cannot die really and so it's kind of over the top and explanatory. But it's so characteristic of his honesty and this is kind of vein of Pew at love that stretches through That vein of pure lot. Yes yes I. I agree so when the Journal of disappointed man was first published in one thousand nine hundred and it was a great success. It was widely reviewed and There was a a follow up volume and then after Baba Lena died there was another Fulham and sort of come and gone from the public consciousness. Ever since but it was mentioned boy Edwardson Orbin in his novel. Some hope and I've actually. I've read this passage out before on Bat listed. But it's so good that I thought we could hear again but this time read by somebody who can actually read. This is a a Alex Jennings. Aw Brilliant reading from his reading of the Patrick Melrose Nobles. Patrick arrive downstairs before Johnny and ordered a glass of Perrier Abar to middle aged couples together at a nearby table. Patrick took his drink over to a small book. Lined alcove in the corner of the room scanning the shows is I fell on a volume called the Journal of a disappointed man next to it a second volume called more journals of a disappointed man and finally by the same author a third volume entitled enjoying life. How a man who made such a promising start to his career of ended up writing a book called enjoying life. Patrick took the offending volume from the shelf. Read the first sentence that he saw very the flight of a goal is magnificent as the Andes. Then really Patrick. Hi Hello Johnny said Patrick. Looking out from the page. I just found a book called enjoying life intriguing said Johnny sitting down on the other side of the alcove. I'm going to take it to my room and read it tomorrow and I said my life mind you. I don't know why people get fixated on happiness which always eludes them when there are so many other invigorating experiences available like Rage Jealousy disgusting sinful. Then you want to be happy. Ask Johnny when you put it like that. Smile Patrick O. Julius Jennings playing Alex Jennings please read the Journal. This party clay. You said when you read it you underlined bits and you loved the new cried. What were the source of the thing that really grabbed you that so much poignancy in pay thoughts without but without losing his sense of humor? There's a way he looks at women. Young Young Women and I love how you look silly young. There's an Irishman sees in a at a concert and he even though she's with another man he thinks there's some attraction between them and he followed her Nanna she tries to find Tara and it's just an attack on that kind of stuff often. How looks I think older women? He's he's a little bit too. Rocketry often have fat legs. Oh bandy legs or they or they could. They could too much babies all. That still wasn't offended. It made me laugh and and actually I had to keep reminding myself. This man is twenty-five or whatever agent unattached attached? You know I kept forgetting this. He was in his twenties. Which is you know. Also kind of amazing but so there's a couple of bits. I want to read out. Because as his health declines some of his observations change because he's no longer out in the world he can't see the people and as he becomes bed bound he then describes either what he remembers and still not is so utterly vivid amazingly if it just from memory or he describes what he can see out of his window and then kind of his final days he can only describe the sounds of walk. Goes PAST THE WINDOWS? Just start decline in what he sees his so moving So the first but I want to read just his observation of a woman on a pass which is also funny as well. So it's on a bus the other day. A woman with a baby sat opposite the baby bold and the woman at once began to unless herself exposing a large red adder which she swung into the baby's face the infants however continued to cry in. The woman said come on Mexico's boy. If you don't touch you'll give it to the gentleman opposite nine to I. Look ill just and then just kind of skipping forward along way step nineteen seventeen. I think she's twenty seven a perfect morning call fine and still what sweet music. A Horse and cart make trembling slowly along a country road on a quiet morning. I listen to it. In a happy mood of abstraction as it rolled on further and further away. I put my head out the window so as to hear it up to the very last until Robbins notes relieve the nervous tension and helped me to resign myself to my loss. Just great stuff. Yeah Yeah I think one of the things about the book actually is how well constructed is. It's a to be able to get these. Various types of entry to work together in a an is incredibly helpful and we know that indeed he left lots of stuff out to the book that he wanted to create as I found out. You know someone who's written memoir. I find his attitude to memoir totally extraordinary he. He he was a great. Marar of the Russian Roy and Mary. Best Kurtz felt when he read Marib shirt scarf that the that was speaking to him and I I feel a bit about barbarian as he seems to have felt about Mary Baskets F that. There's something in the way John. You said I had this. What had pins? Yeah that is beautiful. This was an entry in June nineteen sixteen. I toast these pages in the faces of timid furtive respectable people and say there. That's me you may like it or lump it but it's true and I challenge you to follow seats to flash the searchlight of your self consciousness into every remotest corner of your life and invite everybody's inspection be candidate be honest breakdown the politicians if you'll cubicle. Come Out of your borough little worm as we are all such worms. We should at least be honest. Worms curious the I'll go ahead and my own standing up while I while I read that. You know the thing about the bookies we were talking about. What's this book about to me? I I I feel as though it's a book about the impossibility of knowing oneself in the round of knowing oneself hull but that is of Roy so one can fail gloriously. In the attendance do it. You know that that that it's a way of approaching the subject of the self in the hope that taken as a whole it will add up into a human being. I think the attempts is entirely successful when when when when you get near the end of the loss diary I mean. I know it's a Cliche to say. It's almost unreadable. I find it almost going to do you. Not Think I mean. I don't know what you feel. We'll ask the disease already. Takes hold within. It's a painful but to read of course painful. Because because of his own is I kind of agony and the lunar surface his confrontation with himself with his his predicament. But also in simply because of the kind of the laserlike precision which with which he describes life and the inevitability of his death but death generally and yes the natural yes and the violence of the natural world and the heels and despair confinement and a disappointed man familiar bubble. He's a he's a frustrated man because he has some extraordinary achievements. Not least this this this this book in his life and he's perpetually frustrated and particularly towards the end because this experience which is so central to his character in his life which is being in nature being in that backstabbing that pool in the woods. The I read about earlier on for example is denied him. And so as you were saying Sense of him being successively month by via by year withdrawn from twelve. And and and in the end just hearing but so yeah of course Extraordinary tragedy to that. But but there's a kind of fitness to this book from the outset. Even hail definitely. I wonder how much of that was in the editing. Because you know how much is obviously hindsight? He was editing knowing he was really near the end So how much of that was ten that for us to discover very cleverly for us to discover. I. I thought that was great. He knows what he's doing. I mean you're right. I think handy when you say he the comprehension but was a beautiful very near the end where he says in this journal. My pen is delicate. Needlepoint tracing out a graph of Temperman. So as to show its daily fluctuations graven Gay up-and-down lamentation and revelry self love and self disgust. You get hit. All my thoughts and opinions always a responsible and often contradictory or mutually exclusive all my moods and vapors all the varying reactions to the environment of this jelly. Which is I which is that wonderful thing. It's still the scientists still looking himself as a sort of an experiment I mean. That's the thing he he he's dissecting himself as he's an that's almost what makes it so moving his his new he he doesn't want to hide. The worst of himself is the most remarkable book Klett. I felt on this around that one of the things that creates the sense that will was talking about which he's not just if one life saved but actually there's a universal sense in which we seeing everybody's life pulsing at speed before our eyes in this book one of the reasons for that as he gets better as. Reuter as the book goes on. There's a very interesting coming together of his diagnosis and his talent in nineteen seventeen is what I fell on this. Go Round. Definitely definitely he he improves and but then he's also growing up you know he's he's thirteen when he starts diary. That one would hope that you're a better writer at one thousand nine hundred thirteen but his reflections on life and death and how that is universal Wonderful and you as a reader. It does make you know. Every time I put the puck town I was reflecting how that affected me or or the people around me. And what's also what's going on the Mir moments in the world so let me ask both our guests in his introduction H. G. Wells Refers to a threat of beauty which runs through the book and says that any sensitive readable have spotted it. So there's no need for him to identify it and then often barbarian reads that he records in his journey that he doesn't know extreme. I wondered I saw I wanted well. I I've got a theory. Were of what I think the freight of BTA's but I wondered if anyone else's go What is the threat of beauty in this book? The two which wells is referring any won't have a fear try theory. Will I mean you were referring? It's love love. Is the thing that you yeah. It's the sort of BJP. His is him is his character. It's his it's his courage. It's not it's not the natural world throw those kind of details. Knowledgeable scholarly sometimes descriptions of of the natural world whether it's the countryside where he grew up in endeavoring around or allows this not that kind of losch direction descriptive prose about night partly because he knows it so well he knows what he's writing about in such detail. Yeah I think the bts is in him actually. I just thinking about everything that everything we read. Can we will chevy welcome up has heightened resonant somehow and every book. I hear about new book. I hear about his book for these times but I was thinking about. I mean beating this particular book at this moment to looking at the entries for springs for example. I found very powerful. I I wondered as well Claire. Whether this this threat of BC might refer to. I mean one of the stories told in between the lines of the book is that of Barbarians. Why Elena? Yep Yeah. That's a lot of other people love of women. I did really enjoy the way that that his love. Eleanor his wife. Really kind of crept up on him. Didn't it yes? I thought that was very beautiful that threat but I. I didn't know it would be that because somehow that start some somewhere halfway through. I think Elena comes on the scene. There's a lady woman whose initials M that he desperately of with the beginning when he's just a teenager. I think but the threat of beauty. Yeah maybe it is love of people. In connections with people and then Cook His love for Elena and his love for his child was so poignant because he if I felt like he really kept her at bay for a long time and I thought how can you not love your child and then it just became so apparent that he was deliberately trying not to love her for her sake and for his because it that was just so difficult for him that was very moving but but then also as will said maybe. Maybe it's the threat of beauty is courage the courage to keep writing right up again and recording of it. Or they're in all its awfulness it's loveliness may be the one the. I'm sure we've all enjoyed being gained by H G wells. We who knows all these threads okay so Of course no discussion of the Journal of a disappointed man would be complete without mentioning the chroniclers of contemporary forment those barbarians in song hearth man. Half Biscuit Many Hoffman. Half Biscuit lyrics deal with the disappointing nature of everyday life. That listed listens will of course be familiar with the song. Baguette dilemma for the Booker Prize. Guy But I thought I would share with you. The listeners contributed to this the top. Five countdown of disappointing Hoffman Hall biscuits songs so number five. The light at the end of the tunnel is an oncoming train. Actually a line from a Robert Lowell. Plan number four Westwood. How massive let them a number three The classic all I want for Christmas is a Duclos Paraguay kit at number. Two the Hoffman. Hof Biscuits Song. The law descended and that means that number one. Here is an extract. I asked you to pay very special attention to the first line. You're gonNA hear from half Meinhof Biscuit. So National Show Day more going on with pilots and put up perspective scarlet humans separating. The children of the pulse allow I encountered five There's a man with a mullet going mad with a mallet in Manila. Now now that is a law in could've come out of Bob Elliott every stop punk to finance and it right to the Disney. You pity me I I pay you with your normal life. Look what I've done. I've a wife and a baby and I'm still going. I love it. It's is the most energy leasing exciting inspiring book to read. I I made I speak as a reader and the person as a writer on this. There's this incredible bit near the end of his life where the book has been published. And he's ready zone reviews Do you remember this April twenty ninth nine thousand nine hundred and he says huffing having cost my bread upon the waters amuses me to find it returning with the calculable exactitude of a title movement. For example in my journal I stroked public opinion and now it purrs to the tune of two and a half pages of review. The Saturday review. I cursed with Bell Book and candle and Voila. They mangle me in their here. We go. This is the sort of response to everyone here is ever been reviewed will know. This is how you should approach. You reviews right for the most part their views say what I have told them to say one writes that it is a remarkable book. I told him it was another says that I am a conceited PRIG. I have said as much more than once a third hints at the Reuters Inherent Madness. I queried the same possibility. It is amusing to see the flats contradictions. There is no sort of unanimity of opinion about any poet of Mike Complex character once as a genius. Another notre genius witty dull vicious dismal intolerably sad happy finicky. Quiet Humor Wild and Vegas. Wits poor old reviews friends and relatives say. I have no drone my real self but that's because I've taken my clothes off and they can't recognize me stalk this book. This book is a self portrait in the nude various. You know that is what you want. You want to rage against no justice dying of the light. But all these people queuing up to tell you who you are and what you all that you already told them that they wouldn't know you have given them a clue and yeah. I think that for all that kind of punky. Angst at and that Conceited precociousness that he talks about is also that Strand of real vulnerability and Boyish. Nece and you reminded volume released frequently. He's he's he's a young man and I always believe him and at the same time our fink. He always wants us to believe. There's a there's a kind of there's an adolescent quality to to the way. He expresses his anger. Sometimes which full a kind of his verbal sophistication is sometimes quite transparent. I think it's one of the reasons that the book is is so moving. I tend to I think is that you can sometimes see through them. Yeah he and William. You're so right and he doesn't leave out. That's the thing. He has the adolescent thing. What matters to the adolescent is the is the need to be right in the moment. Yeah right so when he saying in the diary what matters to invest expressing the truth of the moment imposing it upon the reader and then the next entry. He'll say something like oh I've changed my mind. Yeah does he always glorious punishing stuff? I agree with that but so wonderful to see that we have the same hangups about us out stuff coming late. And you're just waiting for the postman. Theo proves to come come on and then he gets. He gets the letter from H G wells saying. 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Episode 145 - Jamie Cullum

Sodajerker On Songwriting

50:41 min | 2 years ago

Episode 145 - Jamie Cullum

"Hello and welcome to so the Jacker on Song writing this assignment here is always with Brian and joining us for episode. One hundred and forty five is a celebrated English pianist singer Songwriter on broadcaster a few months ago he released his eighth Studio Album Taller and exquisitely crafted collection which demonstrates his continued maturation as a musician and as a songwriter and he was already pretty good to begin with in a career that now spans two decades. He's performed and worked with artists. Such is heavy Hancock for L. Williams Kendrick Lamar and Lang Lang and performed work by the likes of massive attack radiohead Elton John Lady Gaga Joy Division and pussycat dolls to name an ECLECTIC few. We're mentally happy to welcome the Brilliance Jamie Cullum to the show we met with Jamie at his home in London back in June shortly after the release of the album and had a very pleasant morning chatting to soon he's a most agreeable chap also longtime fan of our podcast which is always very gratifying to hear it Asia. I remember years ago getting a text from my friend. Mike Smith telling tell me Jamie had just mentioned this on his radio to show he gave Rickie. Lee Jones episode the Plug. I seem to recall how yeah yeah yeah and Mike who is a very fine saxophonist. incidently incidently actually wrote the dissertation. Jamie at university and I know you'll be listening so hi. Mike our guest was born in one thousand nine seven thousand nine in Essex Book brought up in Wiltshire area. He grew up in a household of passionate music fans where the radio and records were always plane he would listen to his mom singing chairs and sit on the family piano while his elder brother. Benlan the instruments he took piano lessons himself as a child but didn't take to them unless it's holds himself to play by ear as a teenager. He also lends play guitar around the same time. I'm with the help of his brother with whom he'd. Let's go onto right number of songs. Jamie plays a pretty mean guitar. Actually damage is he started gigging regularly at sixteen while L. still doing his a levels following. Richie spent some time in Paris than continue performing whilst university back in the UK causing his teeth playing different styles of music and a number of bands book developing a particular affinity for jazz. It was actually through his love of just tinged hip hop like tried co Question J. Diller that he first discovered the likes of Oscar Peterson Herbie Hancock and I think Harry connick junior big influence to he was yeah in one thousand nine hundred nine. Jamie recorded his first album head before in one afternoon at a local village whole role for less than five hundred quid. Only five hundred copies were made so something of a collector's item. Now I think McCann's teeth after graduating unit he released is this first major album pointless nostalgic a mixture of just standards and contemporary pop and rock songs that was in two thousand and two after which he signed to universal he dropped the grammy-nominated twenty something in two thousand and three which went three times platinum and let's Jamie picking up the rising star Gong used British jazz awards and being named best jazz at at the following year's mobile awards he also came to the attention of legendary British chat show host Michael Parkinson and Jamie's two thousand three appearance on Parke's TV show brought him widespread red recognition age still only twenty three his next album catching tales was released in two thousand and five and in two thousand nine he was nominated for a Golden Globe for his work on the title title Song to the Clint Eastwood Movie Grand Serena at least in his fifth album the PA- shoot the same year his other records include twenty thirteen momentum and the jazz cobras album into loot which arrived in late two thousand fourteen and was inspired by his excellent radio to Josh show which is hosted now for almost a decade you can hear the grand jury no song some tracks from taller and the selection of tunes from throughout Jamie's recording career so far if checkouts spotify playlist for this episode had so jake dot com slash podcast click on Jamie's page aged and you'll find the link under the episode player he popped to date with the latest news and Torah Info at Jamie cullum dot com ask Jamie cullum on twitter and instagram and facebook dot com slash Jamie cullum stay in touch with those so dejected dot com at so dejected on twitter and instagram and facebook dot com slash so Jessica subscribe to the show on Apple podcasts. Wherever you get your pod fix and leaves a nice review on five star rating to anything less than five stars and quite frankly might as well just spit in our faces? We preferred to keep the show out free so if you'd like to help us with that you can donate whatever you can spare at so dejected dot com slash donate before we carry on many thanks to Sophie for hair helps. I think the interview okay here. We are down in London with the fabulous. Jamie cullum went on digging for what it's worth. I can't the tree what I always thought that will be so then it takes me back to whatever it was before and you'll find me so you're all do own Salon Com C. A. at its Jamie. Thanks for having us. It's great to meet you in person voices. I've heard many times confounded the podcast so yeah thanks for having me congrats on the new album. We think it's probably you best. Thank you very much thank you. We're not just saying that. We genuinely wouldn't say that if that was not the cakes. I really appreciate that thank you. You're all over this record songwriting wise on you more than I have been before. It's definitely the Savak made with only my songs and that was a real thousand real conscious decision when I look in the mirror and say what is it you do. Is You know this lots lots of different versions. We can all tell ourselves on their you know I'm sure this is something you'd think about as well you and actually I decided that songwriter was the WHO's. The one that the the most and monster seem like a good place to start is that to us it kind of rates the challenges of the writing process itself. Yes yes very much so yeah. Monster Monster is indeed a song that is about the kind of inherent narcissism that you have when you want to write a song you kind of think about how you want it to connect with people before you actually think about the song you dream about people singing it back to you before you actually you have got the song in place itself but sitting down there digging in the dirt is the way a lot of these songs came to light and that's obviously a line from monster trying to dig into your own. This is a lot more personal these songs than I've ever written before. Monster Kearns sets that goal from the beginning Achy. It's also one of the few co-writes on the album with Jamie Hartman who you haven't interviewed you. Have you know you've got like a firecracker in the studio but I think it was one of those songs that we we came up with knowing knowing what it's like to sit in a room and having to dig something out of thin air and having all those kind of insecurities come at you and then you know the song kind of goes in his narrative tiven eventually he realized that you probably only need the people that you love around you whether your songs are not particularly one with about four key change is highly unlikely to ever be a hit at least a not in the modern sense finding out oh he loved and who you really. WanNa be with is probably the key to life in general yeah the lyrics report across that sense of what it's like to finish a song that I feel like the world is with me. You do feel kind of stoppable in those moments don't yet they're the best but it's also. I think the best moments before anyone else's really heard it and in five January finish your song you sing it to your phone or you burn onto a CD. You play it in your car. That's the way you feel. You've written a monster and you're not told you that it's perhaps not a monster money to be remixed at the very least feel like the world is with me yeah. All the chips have fallen where they ought to be at that moment. Suppose what you say. It's it's kind of the most personal album that means the lyrics in particular would have been particularly important to you this time round yeah and actually that is a that's a fresh way of doing things to me because it's not that. I haven't prized lyric before but I think this is the first time a lot of the songs. The lyrics were written. I I definitely never done that before and I think I've just been coming from a background of jazz and enjoying music. The has a certain amount of from musical dexterity in it. I have often I started sovereign point of view of a chord change or melody in King. I love that let's make lyric without an I'll go to my they'll notebook thing. What would work there. In this hour I would say all the songs started from a point of view. What do I want to say. What's the emotion. I'm trying to convey. What is what is it that someone will will connect with in this lyric so there are quite a few songs that started almost as poems before music which is totally fresh way of working for me so you would just write those in a notebook definitely and also just doing that thing that I read about rises doing and I certainly notice my my wife. Doing who's a writer where you just you catch things. You've heard people say or a line from a book. You've loved or thought that you've had and I develop those through. Do you know so journal keeping as well and you know some of them. Just little lines took out from my journals of ways I was feeling and they became verses and eventually. I thought that's going to be a song with the Vang's is if you're one of those songs start out kind of on the page at the age of anxiety is a prime example of that really are had that type of long before I had this song and I'm aware of a sleet sofres has been you know it's not completely original title. I mean there's a w.h auden sequence of poems. It's called the anxiety. There's a million different Braschi headline saying we let von an age of anxiety cheaper at the time I hadn't seen I saw one song kind of when I search for it that was not really about what I thought the song age of anxiety so I thought were going to write a song called that and a better right it's soon because if it's not written out it will be written soon by someone else so I had the title and I kind of feel like it's in your star songwriting kit to want to write these songs that some the entire world and one song and definitely tried to write a love those for a long time but I thought I would try and write a song called the anxiety that looked inward to look outward would so I thought well. Let's let's talk about anxieties reveal a bit about what I think about in the middle of the night when I'm worried when I'm feeling anxious. I don't think I'm someone who is wracked with anxiety. She is a problem but I see it kind of permeating and I thought I will look inward and then hopefully start to look out with in a more kind of free so secretive ways well. It was a real one more almost right like like a tree of thought slacker like a thought diagram and and that's how the song came together as you raise some massive questions and that I I I really love opening lines plus obvious thing to say but I noticed that in in novels as well or poems or whatever songs where the first line George you in and I just remember I said the lines of myself when I was in a meeting about my social media presence and I think someone said to me something along analyze you really need to share on social media look look at what John Legend does and social media with his family installed people love that and I love John. Legend is amazing. I think he's brilliant on social media. I'm just I just said I just WanNa live inside sometimes and someone said you need more subscribers. I'm like don't WanNa have to beg people to subscribe and and that could be the opening to the song as I genuinely do feel about that and I thought God it's hard for people that don't want to have to do that and that was what I knew are kind of had some what's in science shotting. Zayed's that line about Sam keeping your texts from amy devastating as well. That's the same you wine. House should return to yeah. It's also a bit gross that line for me because I'm talking about a bunch of kids who I'm thinking in my head hate. You know that I was like on telly and like I've done all this stuff and by the way I was friends with Amy White House. You know there's that like that's gross aspect of it and there's also the aspect to it. That just devastated me. When I plugged plugged in all black Bryan I found oral techs we taught together when he would have been twenty two twenty three she would have been about she was three years younger than me and we were friends at the time we we you know. I'm not gonNA over over boiler friendship but we hang out. We hung out in this very flat that we're now on tool we hung out in her house. We would go and See Music Sung together and what's particular devastating about the Texas that it's a time in her life where her life was not complicated in the same way. She was getting started. She had a first publishing deal shadow. I record deal her first record was coming out and she was just as very talented sparky or was the most fun person in the room kind of person that I just devastating to read those texts because we were not friends. It's a in the second half of her career. Where things really took off we would just kind of moving in the same circles in yet makes out to even sing that line really it's kind of one of the Nice Nice things about I mean you know mobile phones that kind of escape edge and a lot of ways before they become these little time capsules. Don't the Primo bows. You would not be conversations. Compensations recorded in that way with people. I love the fact that I've got those messages and actually thinking your your photos these days like a diary. You can't remember where you were just search photos in two thousand and fourteen I did that so additional outer mobile phones on this song and another songs but actually I've tried to make my phone a a place that inspires me a bit like a kind of any rooms where you make music join. Carla have good things on it that you feel like you. WanNa create more rather than just shut the curtains and stay inside and then you get the word Apparatchik so that's what I love about big on this because I think that that is the one time I'll be asked but yeah I did. I've been reading reading this book. The master in the Margarita whilst the word is not not in the book. I was thinking a lot about apparatchiks and that kind of that kind of concept of my friend. He worked on an early version of this album. WHO's an incredible. Oh producing Sorenson called Martin Tarif. He started a band called Apparatchik. it was is loved that word and it just you know at the moment where you realize not not only descending rhyme but it also adds a whole other layer to the song and just he feel like the world with you. Yeah we love moments like men. Don't like all apparatchik okay but there's always this danger with an it's. The first time I've been candidate with lyric writing on this album is when you have a kind of core change where you know the people uh-huh can enjoy it if I put a good chord change into a song. I know someone like labyrinth is GonNa. He's GonNa think about the producers of the song tonight will enjoy it or members of my band that will enjoy. I think there's always that danger with songwriting weather's clever word and you think of the people that are going to enjoy it and I'm not sure whether that's a good thing or a bad thing but I did enjoy that just from a word play kind of perspectives for the loaf was one that sort of struck me that line. Everyone's fighting battles the you don't know anything about house. You know we all living in Seoul of age. Were you know through social media. People presents a vision of themselves but you don't necessarily really know what's going on with people. Oh definitely not that song so brought me into that so of head space if you like yeah that's a really adds a probably a more deeply personal song in it seems on the surface because because actually quite a lot of that is about the experience. I have been married to my wife a she's could sophie dial. She's a writer. She's been a model and she's. She has a history history for families amazing. Her grandfather was role doll. Her Grandmother Was Oscar. Winning actress has incredible lineage and it is amazing when you see people people expect to know what she will be like. I'm what her life is like and I'm not going to go into it in any detail but the life she has lived as being one of an amazing ability to overcome some quite serious struggle and the amount of which I see her helping people in living a life the editing anyone has has a clear she's not virtue signal and Kinda started in the context of that life fighting battles underneath another thunderstorm. I think is the other line. I just talk a lot about that in the song in it so most. I can't believe I put it into a song. Actually it just kind of happened in a in a quite an instinctive way but it's really based on disturbing being generally amazing love song to a lot of these songs artists to some degree but that's a real link to her. That's on you giving time you swear when you do you do food. Law Yeah Yeah when you do you do when you for love in you as well for you also say every time. I took piano just full of doubts which I suppose would surprise people see this very accomplished. Musician and Jazz aficionado defined hearts. Keep the kind of critical parts of your brain in check when you're rising absolutely yeah particularly when I'm playing the piano because I'm I'm a self taught musician and our hang out with a lot of people who are unbelievably accomplished particularly the jazz world and I always feel like a minnow it slightly different. I guess when you hang up more in the pop world because there's not always that level of musical training or you know things can sometimes be more instinctive and it's not always the case but a definite Anton Sore I sit at the piano and just got warm doing play the piano. He just a normal part of being a musician. I think isn't it. I'm one maybe that we don't talk about enough yeah yeah so. I take it most of the melodies comb while you're at the piano they do you know I've been trying to release myself from a little bit. You know I've got another song coming at the moment which I'm trying to write entirely in my head on voice memos because I think you can put yourself into a corner when you know an instrument pretty well something John. Lennon talked about a lot and I think it's Sir. It's a really good skill to just be able to cut a harness and melody from thin air so I'm I'm. I'm trying to push myself to do that but generally obscene behind the piano kind of kind of poking around at stuff what I've been trying to do recently is writing melodies not with my voice just like playing them on the piano and sounds sounds like I'm totally contradicting what I just said. Running Newman does this thing where he was plays and sings the melodies at the same time I think because he's writing so rigorous that he wants to see how how it works kind of harmonic Lee within the chord structure and I think that can be a really solid way to write a song and it's not something I've done so much before as well so there's those two sides I am trying to do and you can do a lot with mel declined to suggests a concept or a tight like him. I was listening to wheels from the shoot and reminds me how Kamaldeen the intro kind of seems to revolve yeah yeah. That's that's exactly right and it's something I very much kind of tried to do. In that song wheels have that kind of cyclical kind of simple melody. It just feels like it's going round and round and it's probably more apparent on this new album. I think there are things within the melodies these within the Song Tula and drink are in a musically related to the limbaugh because well drink his possibly one of the strongest melodies on the record for me. You must be quite proud of Jeff. I'm really proud of that one and it was the song that started the album for me. Really I'd written a bunch of songs prior to drink the I ended up throwing away. That didn't feel will the kind of lacked certain level of honesty. A lot was happening in my life around the time making this album and I felt like some of the songs they felt one step away from the area area of honesty. I wanted to be in and drink with the first one that kind of turned up felt like okay this me somewhere to go shy in yeah. It's got quite a lot going on in it production-wise and melody wise and and harmonic sleeper holds up you can kind of play on its own reis just piano and vocal and holds up and I wanted that feeling of kind of just rising four a song that would just grow and grow and grow and tried to do that not only in the lyric but just those rising chords that go up after the second chorus just to bring you up to that my where you feel you are kind of having a delicious drink son is beaming. Dan You suddenly accepting the chaos around you and going well as well. Just enjoy this this moment. We'll hopefully take you really built. Yes we had that sense of the arrangements should be right in it. Yes the arrangement was kind of built into the song and I had to get away from it for a while. Because I started producing it home before I'd really refined the song and at one point I had to go nope. Stop step away from logic step away from plug ins step away from all the other instruments and just write the song and so once I've done that I kind of went back to it with Glee and start pulling out all my samples and everything Obviously I recreate them all for the record but it was fun to kind of create this. I hate to use the word Brian Wilson Oh Phil Spector. I definitely wanted it to approach that kind of Gravitas and yet you've got things on like the for the for example which is more like a Canada almost like a millennial walk. You know that kind of very every hockey yes deliberate melody yeah and also within that Song for the love I tried to write that kind of melody and verse that had that Faster Spit Econo- delivery Korea and the title track is Great June two in anything that was co written with Simon aldred how the collaboration well that was a a really shied all right away this time from co writes. I was kind of just said you know where you kind of have the list. Although the you know the current hit that they've got on whatever I just knew I liked his writing and he seemed like a interesting awful person and I just took a chance just got on the train. I don't quite know something instinctively felt like I will get on with him. I had read a couple of inches of him and I just thought he sounds like sounds like an interesting person basically so I got on the train and I went to his house and and it was one of those sessions where it was much more about getting to know each other I we talked a lot about family and music and life and love and all that kind of stuff and and he said what kind of things do you WanNa ride and I told him I was writing things with the different kinds of honesty and we're going to have more kind of directing. I said you know I always thought it'd be good valley to write a song about that kind of uses it starting point the height difference between me and my wife if felt like the broken some lowered the Daily Mail's universe when short man Mary's. It's not he's not allowed. Something in the structure of the universe kind of just starts to come apart. It's like no thought it'd be good mileage in that for song particularly reflecting the experience. I've had being in a long term relationship realizing how how much I needed to grow as a person how much more needed to open up how much more I needed to learn to say what I feel is not a skill necessarily that comes sounds naturally to me and how has been both a challenge and something that has really been an amazing kind of period of growth in me within my relationship but using this kind of central joke as the way to get into it really. It's quite an interesting thing that that is the song that came in collaboration with someone. Might you had known tone for that long. Yeah I can't to this day I still because actually it was one of those amazing sessions where he guided me through it rather than you know. There are some sessions where the corruptible notable right so much of it and you decide you're kind of flavor to it and they're great as well and I'm is one of those people who we've not written another song since I'd love to write with him again who I think he just knew how to guide it and actually he he came he said disappeared great songs have a brilliant griffin he kind of said let's have a riff to kind of give that feeling the of growing and being tool and being bigger risk can do that and one of the great things he did with that once we once we'd written the song he actually spent some time with it in his studio and sent back an arrangement which is not massively far away from what the song ended up being and that really helped shape the song in a way that I think helped make make it what it is a petition we just as much. I'll be happy to draw the EH. I saw eh you also have the distinction of being the the first person we are new roads or song with Clint Eastwood. We've Jeff Daniels who was killed by Clint Eastwood Film. But with them that is true. I'm going to take that one. Do I get some kind and silver Magas Stiffen. Guess what happened was a Cayo looted the music for Greener. It's one of those some one of those stories stories that I reckon all four of us would tell slightly so I will tell my version fully knowing that there's probably another version out there but as I remember it kyle and his collaborator Michael Stevens worked with clean on a few films and they had the theme idea for for granted Reno and actually in Clint said he heard the melody looking through the as he was filming grants arena. He looked through the Lens and heard that did did that very simple melody. That's what we heard so I went over to meet Clinton and they sent me the script. I didn't see the film I never saw the film until after it came out they sent me the script I read the script and sat down the piano with Clinton he he played this melody and said you know and I think Kyle and Michael helped him shape it and then there was a second part to it just to the melody and once I had that kind of melody I took that away and wrote the third and fourth part two and wrote the whole lyric and shaped shaped into a song and sent it back to them and they were very happy with the results and then we went back and recorded in his guest house. I mean it was it was even saying it. Now sounds actually happened but it was an amazing experience for obvious reasons but for me it was the time I felt like I was a songwriter. I couldn't have done that prior. Royat that I'd written songs I was proud of. I felt that that was a song that I jumped forward bit and I felt like at that point. You know maybe there's some mileage in this in the songwriting thing realizing all the stars of my head warning signs travel drink instead Ohio. Oh no battle oh scarves worn out beds. Daniel breeze blows wisps through granted. You know really know that saw uh engines embiid dreams girl locked in Grad to beat pizzas so getting a concept or something specific that you can write for from someone. Is that something you think. You'd like to do more of I loved doing that. Yeah Yeah I really. I really enjoyed that. I'm I'm a reader so I read a lot. probably my like kind of go to off time thing to do and and I love losing myself in other people's stories and I think it was great that I didn't see the film because I had no concept of what it would look. I just read the original grant script to so such an amazing read doesn't read like you have to fill in the gaps and just fired my imagination and and I wrote the song incredibly quickly. I'm not generally fast writer but it just having that kind of spring would who is wonderful. I I'd love to know what the lyricist actually or be lyricist lyricist. I quite liked to try both ways round and see what it feels like. Yeah I mean you come from that tradition of standards which were often written by songwriting teams who had a composer lyricist yeah so I wonder what role you will to gravitate towards those two. I wouldn't know the answer to that. I don't think it's because I'm particularly talented at either one. I think being able to bring them. Together is obviously someone it's now much more thing that everyone's the ones expected to do you know everyone's expected to Elliott Smith or Bob Dylan or whatever you know those songwriting teams where you got the best lyricist working with the best. Did you know Melody Writers. It's an amazing thing but I'd like to try. Both nitro both short permission at okay great life is gray from the new album that struck us was kinda quite cinematic especially the section towards the end and where did you start with that one that was one of those instances where the melody and lyric arrived arrived exactly the same time my tour manager and Salmon is being with eighteen years we were discussing something really heavy and he just killed it comes as well life is grazing mattering really dark and just saying how everyone has such darkness as well as light and it's just the way is kind of understanding is part of part of becoming who we are. I wrote it down again. Not a phrase that people don't here but I love the idea of writing songs sounded particularly colorful yeah but calling it life is gray so that was the kind of central idea and then that I smell deterred at that was where I tried to do that. Randy Newman thing where kind of played a very specific melody with a very specific lyric and played them and sung both at the same time and from that first line I probably did more jazz musician thing where I kind of just improvised that next key change in just kept improvising that one and then by the end of that Song Song had the whole melody and the first line. I didn't have a lyric ages me from a year and a half later finished that lyric and I finished the lyric right after after the grenfell tower fire which is okay slightly referencing them in the second verse was driving past it and it just it was when it was completely black and I just thought it looked like an exclamation mark in the sky and I think it was just happenstance that ended up in the second verse but just how feeling at the time I I I realized that tool to phone a a giant Sexton mation shame on of nation when the codes we said to sky from Charney charney doubt dig for Budi build it all that's build aw will you may then bill Do you find that you have any kind of happy of doing any kind kind of brain. Dump word why some people do very early in the morning that kind of subconscious count of state or the half-sleep kind of state. I would love to do that. I think think probably lied in interviews and said do that yeah. I'm one of those guys you know. I'm the Journal first thing in the morning guy mostly. I'm just scrambling around trying to find my kids. She's remains is like it's just it's not possible what I do. Try and do more more is be bold and have my mind wander so if I'm in an airport key or if I'm sitting on the cheap or by on the train and the way in this morning to London just really allow my mind to wander into that Kinda on a state and I do things down you know if I have a moment our write things down because I do forget things but I think I used to be a lot more board and I. I think that's a really good state for me man. You're nodding be too young. I think in the past when I've been more productive creatively it's because there's a certain amount of boredom involved. I don't think I've ever said it out. Loud really chimes with me when you say yeah and the United States I realize it with my kids because we you you know there's technology and houses are generally. They can only use technology for on planes or it's like we really like exhausted hunger hoover generally. It's like when my daughter doesn't know what to do. She's just started. I'd like making comics and that's because she's like Oh. What am I GONNA do. We're going to make a comment. You know I think for grownups Islam. What am I GONNA do this. Will these thoughts running around my head. Let's put them in order and see you see what comes out and really that's copy as we could for us right yeah. I think I heard you say that used to Kinda. Keep keyboards around the house just like in the kitchen stove just in case inspiration inspiration suddenly stroke yeah could be a bit of allies well. That's not a lie. I think I think divorcing the man from the musician the person from the musician I used to think I was kind of nothing without music is not a healthy thing to feel. I think part of my journey has been gene understanding that are more without piano in front of me and it's possibly fine if you're single but when you're married to someone being kind of as I need a keyboard quick quake I've got this idea is that you've got an idea you know not on your phone record voice my and get to it when everyone's in bed or when you some time it's okay you don't have to define yourself in that way but there was a time yes where did have instruments everywhere and it was probably per inning. It's interesting. When you talk about this sort of evolution of the way you approach the songwriting craft because I mean even from the earliest point we head your records. You always seemed to have a certain. Dan type of confidence certainly lyrically song like nothing I do for example those particular choices of words in that song even though it was kind of a swinging sort of Josse it's lovely that so you picked up on that song because if there is confidence early on in my songwriting because I was listening to good people and I was surrounded by great musicians visions who was saying hey have you heard Juno Dave Frisch bogus. Do you know Bob Duroy. Is You know if you really look to Stephen Sondheim's lyrics as well as like. I love Kirk Bain worship. Tom Waits and Nick Cave and Naza key tip and like really great lyricists from the rapid traditional songwriting world but dumping yourself in that jazz world and thinking well. How would it look that did sound like an old swinging some but lyrically a lot more modern and I think I was really keen on the idea in those first three albums. I wrote a song called. I want to be a pop star. Nothing I do on catching tales is also another so-called seven days to change your life which was inspired by watching an advert but with that Guy Tony Robbins Hussein you could change your life in seven days and I just like that. There's a song hey no but I would say Bob Darren Day Frisch Berg. Those two rises. If people keep listening heard them they they write songs a bit like Randy Newman world as well that really inspired me and continue to not do big you abby and if a the bring us bags do often name new arrangements of standards standards by the likes of gas win and Cole Porter the latter in particular kind of an influence on your right and I think Cole Porter was the naughtiest one and not just because he talked about cocaine and songs was just there was just this kind of you know. I love Gershwin Rodgers and Hart Irving Berlin all the great so it was something about Cole Porter the form always a bit weird was the sponsor bit longer and their words in it seemed more kind of modern up-to-date and could be projecting but I want to feel about them but there was something about Cole Porter songs that I was particularly drawn to and continue to be as well. It's interesting how you manage to master the that rep swore if you like because you didn't come out of kind of a hard core conservative swat training or anything like that and that's precisely why haven't mastered it yeah. I think I ended up playing those songs in places that people don't normally play those songs I mean nowadays is different but when I was first on the telly you know being on Blue Peter and hockey and all those kinds of things there was not really a roadmap for a twenty three year old kid with a kind of Indie rock haircut playing Cole report songs and so for a lot of people is their first experience of hearing that kind of music court. Were not so familiar with it. The is keenly aware that time of of all the people who had mastered it the people had on the conservatoires in the inner renew their voices and their chords and I felt very insecure by that time about my playing and I really had to just really have a word. You're presenting it in a different way. You're bringing something different to the table. You Love Radiohead as much you love Nat King Cole and that's who you are. I'm just going to be who you are and I was lucky to be surrounded by great musicians. He gave me the confidence I needed at the time who who understood that I wasn't the most trained and understood understood that might Solos weren't structured Oscar Peterson's or anyone like that but I brought a fresh kind of energy to the table and but but yeah I I felt super insecure at times around that time really like just racked with insecurity have come across well. You know I played a good game but there really were times you know particularly when I was missing. My family and my friends are as far away from home or just you know imposter syndrome they call it and it's I I really had that strong and think came hip hops being a big influence on us well and you can kinda hit shades of that in them or chef from the new album yeah yea although that reminded us a little bit of prince is well. Yes absolutely my prince homage or yeah. I thought a lot about prince. I mean he's definitely someone I've loved wbt forever and never stopped. Also the live shows. I've seen him do other kind of gold. Standard Live shows same here yeah yeah. There's almost no reason to say take my wife and I are talking about. Isn't it weird that prince isn't alive seems like a stupid thing to say well. It is so that God that force is not on this planet and and something that the producer of this record worked alongside me who is incredible. Troy Miller really helped me bring out in this song was this this prince ish feeling no he's in he can make things sound so good and through the great field and we we built off me playing bass and I'm a bass player but somehow we found a pocket. It just worked here and if you were to solo that base part deserve horror show horror show but that's a great thing about being the studio particularly being surrounded by your own equipment equipment and not being a place where the clock is ticking or where there's lots of engineers around where you feel a bit like how. I played bass on the song the thing well actually it kind of sounds alright. Somehow it works it. It seems like you take inspiration from all over whether it be books saw. Dj Zal Yeah it's true and it could be commercially to my detriment to some degree. There is a school of thought that could say could make an album much more similar tone are made like twenty something for example and sit more comfortably in that world of jazz pop nope but I may decision really a long time ago just to do. I felt really and the thing is I think I come from music as a fan and forgive. That sounds like an obvious thing to say but I don't always think that musicians come from the point of view of being like a fan. I I'm rabid consumer of other people's music in whether it's as you said. Dj Mixes House Music German Pace Music Old School Jazz hip hop rock music in some of the concepts are went to eighty in Medan and I still still I still have a great love for great heavy metal music and how it links to the blues how the virtuosity of certain heavy metal guitarist saw similar to what you hear wes whereas Montgomery I'm a I'm a music nerd and I think that probably the can come over. When you listen to my records in someone might say well. You've gone from this sean or to that genuine and to me. It's just how how I hear music really yeah. This Lisa's record feels like it is about your creativity in a way about your rights in process almost i. I'm so happy to hear that because I just didn't give myself any reason to not be something and you know that started with the lyrics and continued with the actual way. Yeah presented the music. I wouldn't have put song like Taller. I wouldn't have had that requires heavy. Never we're GONNA. That's GonNa that might frighten off. XYZ Ed or maybe it's not right imagine how that will work and this time. I'm just like what's the point. If you're not falling your instinct why did it. I'm not Taylor Swift. I Love Taylor Swift incidentally but I'm not I'm just GONNA has harmed feels right. We saw him and things. Beginnings might be a nice way to close out the conversation. It's very kind of exposed and intimate sound and just want to tell about that one yeah was written at a tough time for me various things going on in my life and so often from when really hard things happen really interesting unexpected things come out of it and I wanted to encapsulate that and the song almost as a reminder minded to myself to remind myself you know this might feel really hard but something will be born if this that feels better and I wrote and recorded that song at the same someone on my own not necessarily thinking it would be on record actually just to kind of almost like an excise in writing. you know no headphones no kind of goal what it needed to be. I felt down the piano. The practice thing I song as quietly as I've ever sung three Mike Salk press record played it through twice and what you hear on the second version I recorded and I'm Kinda. Glad it's there it does feel quite expose of the honest but also I haven't committed something quite that bruised to record before and I think what I've noticed by putting this record out as the reactions and the feedback. I'm getting is precisely these you'd want as a songwriter's where people are connecting with it kind got. I felt like that that reminds me of how I felt and that reconnected Asong enough you making a connection whether it be with millions of people or a few hundred people that kind of finding your tribe and realize that your music is is making an impact on the people people that are listening feels validating in the right way in a healthy way and makes you feel more proud of what you've done really not an upright piano and on. It's nothing nothing particularly special. It's I mean it's a Yamaha piano but it's not like they're top model or anything. In fact it was in my manager's office and they moved off as they didn't have room for it and he said we Lee story for Valmont. Yeah sure I'll start off another piano in my tiny studio home and it's been quite an interesting because I wrote almost everything on it. Most most of the piano is recorded on that upright piano says lack of grand piano on this album which I didn't know whether it's significant or not hundred adds to that sense of intimacy. I think adds to the sense of intimacy biles. I think he's got a great picture. Tom Waits in my Studio Ryan Killer Jeans and Upright Piano. I thought Yeah Jamie this. This has been great. Thank you so much. I wrote pleasure to meet. You and I love the podcast. You're doing a great service for musicians to get to know each other a little bit better and I'll be listening as long as you're making it. Thank you have pain was jazzed Tattoo. Maybe it will stop. say we love you hold. Do I pray that just just dream. ooh ooh ooh. Hoo like picking a that was Jamie cullum talking to us at home in London and we had a lovely time so consume didn't we yes such a Nice Fella and the very welcoming made as a copper and how biscuit to a pleasing experience all around he spoke highly of the Oh cast too didn't he said he'd been listening almost since the start which is great to hear yeah it was lovely to hear and we just afterwards about some of his own interviewing experiences yeah of course not spoken to Paul Simon has knee and McCartney and also some people we haven't spoken to like Van Morrison to that was cool to here yeah which was apparently a quite a positive experience which which not everyone has with firm. Morrison counts yeah and he told us about some less positive wants to but we'll keep those secrets low. Teheran about working with Clint Eastwood Yeah. He's gotten to know some very interesting people through all those co writes eastern Yeah Yeah and he obviously keeps himself inspired by keeping themselves just broaden golden disbar creativity. It's strange power. Dockside isn't it. I do get what he means. Spider and I think that was an excellent piece of advice about only keeping Nice positive and inspiring still on your phone yeah kind of a lesson for all but I think that decision to kind of look inward right more personal stuff. Israeli pay dividends is on the new record. Doesn't it yeah absolutely so congressional Jamie on a great record. Thanks also sophie for hair. Help too tall is available now so do go and check it out and you can catch Jamie on store next year in the UK and Europe throughout March April and May so check out the dates on his website and we'll be soon with more interviews with more great sunrises. Okay Bye Bye Birdie.

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Mac OS Ken: 08.21.2019

Mac OS Ken

16:43 min | 2 years ago

Mac OS Ken: 08.21.2019

"It is mac o._s. Can apple card goes wide talk of trump and tim cook and no more kitty casino. It's wednesday wednesday the twenty first of august twenty nineteen. I'm ken ray and this is news from the west can brought to you by yours truly truly and sponsored by mobile cut your wireless bill that fifteen bucks a month at mint mobile dot com slash macos can this show was also sponsored by express v._p._n. Giving you back your internet privacy. Whether you're going away on a trip or or just down the road for a cup of coffee. You may want to take your tablet or laptop. Grab some of that sweet free wifi and do the stuff. You need to do online line if you're doing that without a good v._p._n. Your digital life is officially up for grabs. Protect yourself with express v._p._n. Dan express v._p._n. Secures and anonymous as your internet browsing by encrypting your data and hiding your public i._p. 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Us residents eighteen that nop according to a piece from apple and cider apple has officially launched apple card making its own branded credit card in partnership with goldman edmund sykes with customers in the united states now able to apply for a card from their iphones without an invitation and use their account the same day once accepted to qualify in need an iphone indianapolis idea associated with an i cloud account in good standing without bowl. You need to turn on on two factor authentication for that ide- you have to be a u._s. Citizen or lawful resident and you have to be eighteen or older as for the application process says these are the steps laid out by apple insider open the wallet app tap the plus symbol in the top right corner top apple card then continue you enter your name date of birth email address and phone number then tap next review the offer of credit limit a._p._r. From goldman sachs then tap except upped apple card and finally on the card added screen tap continue to add it to apple pay on your devices good good luck and feel free to let me know how it goes wider apple card. Release was the biggest apple pay news on tuesday. It wasn't the only apple pay news. Macrumors says dansk bank the largest bank in denmark activated apple pay on tuesday according according to the report apple pay is now available to all dansko bank personal and business customers in denmark sweden finland and norway with support port for both visa and mastercard cards to interesting stories about tim cook and president trump on tuesday. The first one in from the street dot com hit under the headline apple's. Tim cook plays the role of diplomat and it seems to be paying off noting the deference. He's shown into china over the years. The p. says he's now increasingly been applying those diplomatic skills to the u._s. Side of that relationship as well the peace pointed to moves it was made by apple and cook last week. I was apple's job footprint update that was the one that had apple taking direct and indirect credit for up to two point four million jobs in the u._s. The second was tim cook's dinner with the president last week. The fifth known meeting between the two men and since the election in two thousand sixteen as the headline says it seems to be paying off quoting the street speaking to reporters over the weekend trump said i have a lot of respect for tim cook and tim was talking to me about tariffs and one of the things and he made a good case. Is that that samsung as their number. One competitor and samsung is not paying tariffs because they're based in south korea trump called cooks argument very compelling. Impelling punditry is one thing as randy newman saying it's money that matters there was news on that front tuesday as well nine to five mac highlights a c._n._b._c. piece that had a guy who's not been a fan of apple and not been the pan of cook saying he was buying back in in the big way. Thanks partly to the relationship between the c._e._o. And the president piece has steve weiss managing partner at short hills capital saying he's repurchased artist apple and that it's one of the bigger positions for the investment firm two of the reasons why says bullish on apple he likes tim cook has the ear of president trump and the company's more aggressive approach because yeah apples moving mac pro production to china and still tim cook seems able to get a protectionist sionist president to see things his way not that it's all about that according to nine to five mac another reason why is invested again in the apple is that he he likes the more aggressive business approach they've taken on recently. Previously one of his criticism was that apple relies on brand power too much as it launches new products products. He sees the purchase of intel's modem business as a strong and positive move weiss believes five g. coming. The iphone in the future will spur a big upgrade cycle in the future a couple of confusing stories on apple and kids. I apple insider highlights abuse from the washington post. That says apple is postponing enacting a policy that would limit third party tracking in apps aimed at children bren. The number of app developers complained when apple announced the move earlier this year. Perhaps the most influential complained came from the public broadcasting system system quoting the report nonprofits like p._b._s. Which markets multiple kid friendly apps on the app store spoke out against apple's add suppression strategy in an interview in june p._b._s. president and c._e._o. Paula koerber said we'll have to pull down the apps and we have millions of kids that are using our apps apps so it's a challenge. We're not selling stuff to kids. No i think the concern is you might be selling kids to stuff for its part. The piece says apple maintains the rule set is for the benefit of its customers senior v._p. Of worldwide marketing phil schiller told the post the company's decision to enact the ban is in part a response to parent complaints regarding inappropriate advertisements that said there either looking to tweak to make developers understand why they're doing what they're doing or simply delaying the inevitable apple did not specify when the new app store policy would be imposed according to the report the other kids story is confusing not because of what's happening but because it has taken this long to happen cultus maxa starting yesterday fake gambling apps can be put off limits for children there have been parental controls apps for a long time and parents have been able to put them in play. The problem is developers have been able to set the age range for those apps to kid-friendly that is apparently over cult of mac had looked yesterday at a note sent yesterday from two developers it said in part art to ensure that our global age rating system continues to help make the app store safer kids apps that feature frequent intense simulated gambling will be rated seventeen plus in all countries and regions starting august twentieth two thousand nineteen that was yesterday day one does want to applaud apple doing the right thing at the same time one does wonder what took so long ah more news in a moment but first a word from mint mobile big carriers keep making big acquisitions. Those are funded in part by your big phone bill. If you wanna keep paying into that great but why not keep the extra money for yourself and stat you can with meant mobile. I'm not saying paying for cellular as unnecessary. 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Can cut your wireless bill to fifteen bucks a month at mint mobile dot com slash mecca west ken and the big things to mint mobile for sponsoring this week show mark another point on the product update calendar macrumors says apple watch bands at pretty much dried up up that would be in line with the usual fall refresh expected sometime in september when we'll sing a particularly creepy verse of nielsen nakas because calendar girl. There's a story out there that i'll mention because it's out there though also tell you why i'm personally personally not that bothered according to a piece from c._n._b._c. apple health team faces departures as tensions rise over differing visions for the future her the thrust of the seems to be that some people inside apple want the company to do more to aim higher rather than focusing on wellness apps apps. They'd like to see apple tackled telemedicine or the unholy nightmare. That is insurance billing. It's a long report that involved report art and the reason it doesn't worry me as this is not the thing that apple does yet between five g. and facetime. It'll probably get the telemedicine medicine with all the simplification being brought to the fore with apple card. I have no doubt that if apple wants to tackle records and billing it will in its own time see also getting into m._p. Three players and smartphones and tablets and streaming music and streaming video video and so on and so on and so on but this really sounds like to me is a bunch of people who want to change the world now feeling being held back by a company that wants to take time and make sure the way it tries to change. The world actually has a shot at changing the world. Both sides are audible. Both sides could change the world for the better. Growing pains are not fatal. They're growing pains. It's indicative of growth apple music harnessing the power of shas zam the audio the authentication service not the superhero tech crunch says the cupertino companies streamer is using the music recognition service it bought last year her to populate a new apple music playlist the zam discovery top fifty according to the report the zam app today has been downloaded added a billion times and sees twenty million 'schisms per day. That's a number of times. A user pushes the button to identify a song that's playing these 'schisms will be used to identify tracks that are poised for a breakout amazon. Echo was adding skill in germany. One one that'll turn on some apple fans called the mac says apple music subscribers in the bundesrat public canal stream their favorite track on amazon echo speakers speakers or they will be able to once they add the apple music skill by the alexa app and finally today a d._j. Providing music from an ipad is no big deal says another piece from cult of mac unless he's two hundred and fifty miles above the earth travelling at seventeen eighteen thousand miles an hour. That apparently happened earlier this week astronaut luca parma tano played cut creator on the international space station and quoting the astronaut. It was an incredible opportunity for all of us to make a dream come true. This opportunity to combine science and music was a a great experience. I hope that everyone now sees the world a little bit differently and enjoys life just like we do this up here on the i._s._s. <music> the pizzas parmigiana was using the d._j. App running on a tablet rather than the more traditional turntables because he was floating in microgravity during the performance can't be tossing l._p.'s all over the place. That's no club. It's a space station mac o._s. Can brought to you by me and sponsored by express v._p._n. And take back your internet privacy today and find out how you can get three months free that express bpm dot com slash mac o._s. Cam this show is also sponsored by meant mobile. Cut your wireless bill. The fifteen bucks a month at m. i. n. t. meant mobile dot com slash mac o._s. Can advertising handled by backbeat media online at backbeat media dot com. You can reach me a couple of ways info at monaco west canned dot com or call seven one six seven eight zero four zero zero eight zero. We will talk again tomorrow until them. That is news from mccoll. Oh west cam. I'm ken ray yeah chow.

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Viruses Are Taking Our Jobs

What A Day

17:40 min | 1 year ago

Viruses Are Taking Our Jobs

"It's Friday April tenth keys and I'm getting interesting and this is what a day coming to you on rock and roll Friday. Release Day for trolls world tour. This is exciting for me because all of my hair standing up like trolls since I've been home and I have a good products. My environment looks troll ish so I may as well have a film that matches it today. Show a look at the economic toll from Corona virus pandemic a new CDC REPORT ON CASES. And then some headlines but first the latest All right well that was La legend and you got a friend in me crooner. Randy Newman with a new quarantine classic. I love his songs because they sound like I could have written all right but now let's talk about the news so another six point. Six million people filed for unemployment benefits last week. That brings the US up to more than sixteen million job losses in the last three weeks to put that number in perspective. It's more than the last recession saw over the course of two years. This is obviously an economic crisis in the last relief package that Congress passed hasn't scratched the surface of the bailout required for regular citizens to get back on their feet. Even the relief that is in the bill though You know and I'm talking about extra unemployment money cash payments small business loans. None of that has really started flowing yet. I personally don't know anyone who's received a check from the government and you know timing is incredibly important here given the pace of the slowdown. So Gideon tell us more about what these numbers mean yes so. Some economists are estimating that the current unemployment rate is around. Twelve to fifteen percents. Which would actually be the worst. The country has seen since the Great Depression and economists are just expecting it to rise even further in terms of that delay that you were talking about for people actually getting assistance often in a normal situation processing and unemployment claim can take two to three weeks but in an emergency situation like this. The process is also being slowed down because state unemployment systems are just way way. Overloaded people are having to call multiple times to get through and it's difficult to have so many have to be in a situation on mass like that in fact the number of unemployment claims that we're seeing could actually be more of a measure of how many claims assistant can actually process each week versus how many people are actually losing their jobs. Dark all right. Well we've been tracking how the federal government is responding. We're still waiting on a hopefully giant phase for bill. But what's happening in the meantime so the White House is pushing for a quick infusion of additional loan money for small businesses. They want Congress to approve. Two hundred fifty billion dollars right away now. Democrats said that they wanted to pair that with more money for hospitals and for state and local governments. Republicans said not so fast to that. We'll get to that element of it later on. Democrats in response to that said no so for the moment that particular element is stalled. Should note that these folks have been on recess and continue to be so now outside of Congress. The Federal Reserve is going to buy municipal bonds to help support states and cities because they've lost a lot of tax revenue from the lockdowns. The Fed is also expanding its efforts to backup corporate debt. A lot of businesses operate with a lot of debt and the Fed wants to make sure those businesses don't go bankrupt and cut jobs. These are pretty unprecedented steps for the Fatemi. Going WAY. Way Beyond steps that they took in two thousand eight. Yeah Kuku cool. I mean you know we all know that trump has been itching to get the economy going again. At one point he suggested would happen by Easter. Which is the Sunday? So I'm doubting that pretty hard like. Yes barring some crazy miracle that is not going to happen. But on the topic of reopening in general the White House is reportedly going to announce a corona virus economic task force. That is supposed to focus on some of these current fixes that we've been talking about and also win. Social distancing measures might be relaxed which would in turn stimulate the economy because people would be able to go back to work but those shelter in place guidelines are as they have been going to largely dictated by states and not the White House. So we'll see what they ended up actually doing and the time line on all of this comes back to the Public Health Crisis Akilah. What are the updates on that? Okay so here in the USA a new CDC report is confirming a lot of the data. We've seen about who is contracting and ultimately dying from cove in nineteen the report based on a survey sample found that ninety percent of the hospitalized patients had chronic underlying health conditions namely hypertension heart disease lung disease and diabetes. Older people infected with the virus. Were more likely to be hospitalized. Men were more likely to have severe symptoms than women and Black. People were hospitalized at a significantly higher rate than their white counterparts. But to that point specifically you know we've got new reporting on communities that are being hit the hardest by cove in nineteen one is the Navajo nation. Which has had more deaths amongst its members than all of New Mexico which is thirteen times larger in population so really dire there in as we've seen with elderly facilities in Seattle and elsewhere homes for the disabled are also being hit really hard with the virus. And you know that's just a shame for a number of reasons but it's really just highlighting that continuously. We're seeing these marginalized members of society end up being the most impacted by these health. Crises and specifically this corona virus crisis right. It's no longer viewed as some people were saying some sort of great equalizer. It's actually amplifying the deeper problems that we have. So that's the United States but what else is happening internationally internationally? Another devastating benchmark was reached as one point. Five million cases have been confirmed worldwide. Nearly a third of those cases are in the US. So I. I don't even know what to say. America first A week ago the world had just topped a million cases. So we're just seeing a really sad trajectory in Botswana which is a southern African nation. Just in case you weren't sure All members of their parliament have been placed in mandatory quarantine for possible exposure which is one of the largest actions involving government officials so far that we've seen worldwide and finally European officials have agreed to spend more than half a trillion euros to blunt the economic effects of the virus that converts to nearly five hundred fifty billion dollars USD. So that is the latest happy Friday watts squad. Another week at home is coming to a close and I really hope you all have a great weekend into make sure you do. We're going to check in one last time with some wrecks some recommendations so giddy. What online viewing would you recommend this weekend? Ooh I saw parasite again because it's now streaming I watched it at the same time. Apparently as our dear strange frontier LETO and And it was great. It was it was great again so. I I definitely recommend people catch that. They haven't seen it yet. I mean that's pretty solid. I think that you know young. Watch what the old jokers watching? Yes yes I needed to match whatever. Moebius is putting in front of his eyes. But I'm pretty sure that you have something in mind. So why don't you just go ahead and tell us you think we should watch. Well you now on comedy central's Social media channels. There's a new show me and my friend Milano Vine true and we're basically releasing sketches every Friday for the next three weeks and the first episode is out today it is very fun and rhythmic. And so you know you got an extra two minutes and forty seven seconds. You got some good view into watch but also you gotTA finish ozark season. Three it's imperative. Yeah yeah I am currently nine episodes back. I think so. I'll have to. I'll have the time that with the two minutes and forty that sketch. Yeah Honestly Watch his skits. I I feel like it's it's going to set the mood for this arch surely in some capacity. It'll be a pallet cleanser between APPs every every single every single time watching. That's the goal. Oh my God all right well. That was the final temperature check of the week. Check your friends your family. The people used to see in daily life like your Barista coffee shop or your home. He's at the banker. I don't know what your life was. Whatever and maybe check your own personal body temperature to rouses trying to stay healthy and keep each other accountable and we will be back to catch up on what we watched on Monday day and now for some ads there comes a time in every man's life when he needs to revisit. Spongebob squarepants and that time is now and you can do it with Filo. Tv You love TV but you hate the size of your cable. Bill Filo is the solution it offers more than fifty channels of td live and on demand for just twenty bucks a month and folks they have these networks MTV v. h. One B. E. T. Comedy Central Nickelodeon where Mr squarepants lives paramount BBC America. Hdtv and more with. Filo you save hundreds a month on TV. It's the most affordable way to watch at a time when everyone could use a little more entertainment in their lives. Filo is super easy to use. You just sign up and you can watch by phone laptop tablet. Tv with Roku Fire TV apple TV android TV. Your own Weird Elon. Musk type setup anything that you got Filo is. Tv for everyone sign up today at Filo TV slash W. A. D. or Wad and you'll get twenty five percent off your first two months. That's P. H. I L. O. T. V. Slash W. A. Let's wrap up with some headlines head. Aligns okay so we have a very special guest today. Jamie Loftus Comedian TV writer and Co host of the BECCA CAST podcast. I was on it. I loved it. You're amazing. Thank you for joining US worse. Yeah I'm happy to be in my house again. Happy to be distant Wendy's headlines do it all right well. According Hong Kong held up parts of a ban on wearing face masks in public Thursday though masks worn for health purposes are still permitted. The Mask Ban was initially introduced to discourage pro-democracy protesters at the peak of citywide civil unrest. Last year an appeals court said later that it was unconstitutional flash ordeal yesterday A separate court Hong Kong overturn parts of the band. Making it illegal all over again to wear face masks during what? The government considers unauthorized. Gatherings legal experts are calling for the government to get rid of the ban in order to avoid confusion during the current public health crisis and I kind of agree with them. Yeah so you just like have a mask with you just in case. It's legal to have a mask with you just in case I can save my own life. I'm going to live. Sounds like a good system upstart folk singer Bob Dylan ever heard of him. Just sport his first billboard number one hit Which is a lucky break for him. But let's see if he can really turn that into a career. Have you heard this song? I have opened at the top of the show actually of it seven. Yeah very long episodes. This song is called murder. Most Foul. It is seventy. It's like as long as this podcast. likes with none of the substance. It's about the Kennedy assassination and you know exit. The exact type assign it goes viral and take talk. The teens are eleven. I'm shocked it. Topped the rock digital sales chart with I like Bob Dylan sometimes does sound like he writes his lyrics in the bathroom. And I think this falls into this like there are just lyrics. That you're he says rub a dub dub it's a mortar. Most foul is like as close as it gets to a chorus listing things that existed when President Kennedy died anyways. He's been at number before as a songwriter but never as a solo artist but has always been number one. I keeping harmonica pushed up against his mouth with a scary metal neckbrace. It is pretty scary. It looks uncomfortable. I don't know how he's done it for so long Former veep and now presumptive Democratic presidential nominee Joe Biden drops to new proposals yesterday one forgives student loan debt for those who attended public colleges and universities who make up to a hundred and twenty five dollars a year a few stipulations in there the other expands access to healthcare by lowering the eligibility age of Medicare coverage from sixty five to sixty now. It's a game of inches folks. Keep marching in five years at a time until we get to Medicare for all many. Cd's moves concessions to his recently dropped out progressive opponent. Senator Bernie Sanders and his base centers has not yet commented on. The proposals were given a formal endorsement though. He pledged to support Biden if he became the not meet. Big IFS here. A group of University of Maryland engineers are trying to fight medical equipment. Shortages by turning unused breast pumps into ventilators will move over breast milk. It's oxygen time to ride all right. the basic idea is to reverse the airflow through the breast pumps so instead of sucking air into the Tuesday. They blow air into the patient's lungs. Breast pumps are sanitized. Reliable engineers say they can be converted into ventilators in just four hours for three hundred bucks. I mean talk about a DIV So this project has very real promise. the converted pumps will still need FDA approval before they can be used on people's faces but it seems obvious. They'll get it because what is a face but abreast with is faces famously. Love Breasts Staples is joining the resistance by refusing to pay rent in the month of April. I love okay. Awesome example of Pencil sharpener. Three ring binders coming together to do. Some collective bargaining the office supply store reached out to landlords earlier this week to inform them of their decision apparently without proposing deferred payments or promising to pay in. May I didn't know that staples was punk rock. But this is great precedent being set. They are not the only major changes skip out in April rent My favorite cheesecake factory has elected to not pay rent along with me in April while subway has shown solidarity with me as well by planning to cut in postpone which illustrates the sad back. That America is the richest nation in the world but it's mediocre. I resent that the choice of that word but it's cheese. I dry food. Restaurants can barely keep the lights on solidarity to mine cheesecake factory com cheese I e essay. We love to see it. Oh my goodness all right well thank you so much. Jamie for coming on the PODCAST. You have anything you'd to plug now's the time Yeah listen to the quarantined. Bechtel cast On every Thursday. It's a feminist. Move Pat podcast accusing on. It's it's fun. Yeah listen to the episode where we talk about center stage. We went deep. We talked for hours. Obviously now that I have you here. I've watched center stage in the quarantine already. That's just I can. I mean that's fair. You're a dancer. It's your life leads. Copeland masterclass motionless. Just sat there teaching. You and you're like I could be doing this. I love well. Thank you again Jamie. And those are the headlines as alternative. You liked the show. Make sure you subscribe leave review. Send us more good backgrounds resume and tell your friends to listen if you're into reading and not just where it says so on so like me. What did they is also a nightly newsletter? Check it out and subscribe at crooked dot com slash. Subscribe Akilah Hughes. I'm Gideon and we'll see you. I'm Bob Dylan. Tick Tock the answer. My friends is blowing on the talk. What a day is a product of crooked it's recorded and mixed by Charlotte Landis? Sonia ton is our assistant producer or had writer is John Milstein and our senior producer is Katie Long. Our theme music is by calling geared and Kazakh.

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