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When Randy Johnson was almost a Blue Jay (Ep. 50)

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04:40 min | 1 year ago

When Randy Johnson was almost a Blue Jay (Ep. 50)

"This team and became bluejays are only one year removed from their first world. Once again in the middle of a race to the general manager. Pacu is on the lookout for an extra piece something special to give the Blue Jays. Speaking to two teams are offering Ricky Henderson. One NOTHING DEFICIT. Ricky goes a pitch ticket. He's GonNa have it rookie Henderson. No contest deals surveys church. The bag from its moorings and holds it aloft representing number nine hundred thirty nine just talking to the other team. The Seattle Mariners about Randy Johnson left-handers wind. They ought to bits on the way down past Paul Reidy and being mobbed by Scott Gladman team here on the second of two fifty daylight time wrapping. I enter at his break. Have they are going crazy? Everybody so Thomas do ever put all uniform in the history of Baseball Ramsey. Gillick is working on. Both traits runs into trouble. When would a well-built six? Two former player and general manager of the Mariners Golf why? He's golfing hours before the trade deadline is beyond me at seven. Thirty and the trade deadline is looming just hours away at midnight before waiting to hear back from Woodward Gillick pushes ahead and reaches a tentative deal with the athletics and their general manager. Sandy Alderson Alderson is in his tenth season at the helm in Oakland and he agreed to send Henderson to the Blue Jays. In exchange for Steve Kerr set a twenty one year old right handed pitcher and a player to be named later at the last minute. The trade hits a snag. Henderson has a no trade clause and the isn't about wave it without getting something in return from Toronto. Meanwhile Woodward is back from Golfing and back on the phone with Gillick. The agreed to trade Johnson for CARE. Say and writing. Mike Tim. Johnson was a young controllable pitcher and for not much more he could have been a Buji but Gillick had given his words the athletics that they'd have until eleven forty pm that night to work out a deal. With HENDERSON'S NO TRADE CLAUSE. Gillick was worried that going back on his promise. Sandy Alderson could damage his reputation with Alderson and with other general managers. Gillick is ready at the phone at eleven forty two call. Woodward Randy Johnson is seconds away from becoming a blue Jay but at the last second. Gillick gets word that Henderson is. Waived his no trade clause for five hundred thousand dollars. The deal with the Oakland athletics is on the deal with the Seattle. Mariners is off and the rest is history either way the blue jays would have ended up with a hall of fame player. But what could have happened if the Blue Jays Scott Johnson who was under control until nineteen ninety eight and ended his career with four thousand eight hundred and seventy five strikeouts second in major league. History that much. We'll never know. Absolutely recorded edited and produced by Mark Research. Courtesy of game the Blue Jays at the Skydome by Martin. And Sean o'malley if you enjoyed this episode please review and subscribe to section one thirty eight on I tunes. Google podcast spotify. Wherever you get your podcast if you'd like to see more podcasts. Like this let us know by messaging on instagram at three sixty Jane. Thanks for listening.

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Randy Johnson on Fear and The Bird

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

56:08 min | 7 months ago

Randy Johnson on Fear and The Bird

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST is the baseball tonight. Podcast for Friday. We'll seventeen two thousand twenty producing from his own studio in Connecticut. Which wink and I'm buster. Only and I'm working from my home studio just north of New York City today in the podcast. It's the continuation of our hall of Fame Week. And we'll be talking about fear so you know we'll be talking with Randy Johnson the big unit. Who joins us to talk about some iconic moments in his career including that moment when he threw the ball over the head of John? Kruk in the All Star Game I the news and notes a League Wide Initiative by all thirty Major League clubs in over fifty major league players has raised nearly one million dollars providing over four million meals to support childhood hunger prevention in the wake of the Kobe. Nineteen pandemic with school. Shutdown players personally reached out to each other to collect donations as part of the whole play project. A partnership between Major League Baseball Garth Brooks rooks his teammates for kids foundation and big-league impact which was founded by Saint Louis Pitcher Adam wainwright and is currently led by wainwright and Texas Rangers pitcher. Kyle so good on them. Good news about Webster Garrison a Minor League manager in the Oakland Athletics System. He has resumed breathing completely on his own for the first time in more than three weeks and no longer requires a ventilator is he fights the corona virus according to be on say garrison. Fifty four hot was hospitalized in his home. State of Louisiana hasn't yet started speaking When Nicki Mayo posted her latest update on Thursday now before we get to Randy Johnson and our chief executive or weekly Quiz on radio just a reminder there are plenty of ESPN podcast binged. Listen over the weekend this week. There were new podcast bill. Barnwell show the Adam Schefter. Podcast first draft the college football podcast courtside with Greenberg and dockage and lots of great storytelling from ESPN daily. Find them all wherever we get your podcast. So we're GONNA ask Randy Johnson about when he obliterated a bird in a spring training game about this moment when he scared the heck out of John Crock in the nineteen ninety-three all star game. Give a lesson. Correct fanning himself off pitches. Clocked it as much as one hundred and two miles per hour in Major League Baseball? Obviously just getting away from him but watch the reaction of John Kruk. Would you say he has heart as palpitation? A bit when the second half resumes on Thursday. Look at the next step in John. One bit as right leg out again at the breaking watts. No Hard Randy Johnson. Just Kinda respond big. Some John had no chance. Johnson works a one two three inning. Ready Johnson was inducted into baseball's hall of fame in two thousand fifteen randy. Thanks for joining our hall of fame. Week and helping distract us at a time with baseball. Fans are starved for distraction. But I'm just sitting at my desk and Do we what are pretty much done Prating has ended just kinda waiting for the world to Start up again and I think Baseball and sports and things like that are obviously Kinda low on the Totem Pole The last last really tragic thing that I've been through was nine. Eleven being in the World Series is in obviously baseball was put on hold But then eventually when the world series of took place I think it was. I guess depending on who you asked or the way I felt was it was kind of a good thing for The people to be able to kind of bond to In kind of have that three or four hour time that they could kind of get away from other things on TV that you know were Overwhelming at that time so Obviously I I'm hoping that this You know comes to an end And and we can get some form of normal feedback inner society again. No question which is in part of the reason why we've been doing on the podcast lately we've been having these great conversations. A lot of storytelling This week has been hall of Fame Week. We talked with Johnny Bench Mike Mussina and Jim Palmer and George Brett People. You know from your time at the hall of fame Going back over your resume. Today in the three hundred three career wins. Four thousand eight hundred seventy five strikeouts all the cy young awards three times. You've finished second and I gotTa tell you as I get older I would. I would have guessed that as I get older. I care less about this stuff but I also look at the fact that fifteen people restor that. That's my job fifteen. People didn't vote for you and I it. Recently we saw Mario Rivera getting unanimously. And then this year someone didn't vote for dare jeeter enroll wondering how over jeeter how could fifteen people not vote for you right. I mean I should i. Should it bother me less? I don't think so. I don't think it bothered anybody else at the time. I think you know the only people in a baseball career after I got inducted realizing that nobody had Been inducted Unanimously the only people that I was truly ever thinking about that possibly could be for my generation or or while I'm alive would be Mariano Rivera and he did and then obviously not knowing what would happen with Derrick jeeter thinking he could Go in unanimously to There's there's been so many great ballplayers before all of us that You know a lot of the time A lot almost didn't even go in a lot of them didn't even Go in on the first ballot so Under happy to be there and I I don't think I lost sleep. Not Knowing who the fifteen people were increasingly maybe you. You weren't one of those were you know. No no I think that was. I think actually your ballot was the last year he voted. I stopped voting. Because I didn't like the some of the new rules that came in place at the hall of fame. But that's when you look at your resume it's like of course you're GonNa get all the votes and it didn't in it You pointed out. You Know Joe. Maggio didn't get in on his first year. Jackie Robinson got less than eighty percent. Jackie Robinson so anyway. I'm not I'm not really sure You know quite frankly I feel that that's a a a great responsibility to have an A- boat Just like voting for the president. You know obviously everybody. That is a registered American has that ability and obviously there's not as many people that can vote for the hall of fame. But if you do have that vote and you do have the ability to cast a vote for players to be elected into the hall of fame. I think your vote truly does matter because it could be significant in getting over that threshold of finally getting elected If you're on the bubble so Just my opinion after being inducted I Tend to hear a lot. More about how the whole system kind of works. So it's interesting to me. I wanted to ask you about fear about batters fear and in the time that I was covering baseball when you were pitching I would hear that a lot from hitters about you especially left handed hitters in. I'm curious about sort of the first time as you're growing up Emitter early in your professional career. How when you got the sense that that was something that was going to work for you. Randy are you honestly believe that it wasn't fear like Like Oh my God I gotta face him. I think the fear kind of stemmed from early in my career. Oh my God. This guy throws a hundred miles an hour and he doesn't even know where it's going back kind of fear you know what? I mean We're I could. I could literally throw a ball with a batch stock And then you know. Put Three pitchers on the black and not know how to do that again. The next batter. it just the inconsistencies. I think You know Velocity back when I played a seemed to be more more of a topic. More more interesting for someone to Watch a power pitcher back then When I played the game opposed to now because I think everybody throws ninety five to one hundred miles an hour. You know you got at least one or two starting pitchers that does that and and then you got bullpen. People that come in after the starter that So there's really no discrepancy in velocity throughout the course of the game whereas when I played it could be me and the rotation and then you know someone that you know is more known for a sinker or more known for cutter or throw is about three or four miles an hour on average less than I do in today's game. I I think there's There's more velocity in the game and I think whether it starting or starting pitcher or reliever. I think it's just more in the game now. It's more prevalent than it was back When I pitched I think people feared the velocity more back. Then in the wildness the two I think You know went hand in hand because after a while you know I was able to harness my control and then I think there was less. I think there was less fear of getting hit Because I had more control over the location of where I was throwing the pictures and I think it was the angle too. I know that from talking with With hitters that they just weren't accustomed especially left handed hitters to seeing someone throw from that angle and certainly the you know. The fear was underscored by that great moment during the All star game in Camden yards. When you throw the ball over crunchies head and I was curious when you came up with that idea. Do that wasn't an idea. You're kidding. I always thought it was thought it was a setup. No that was something that that's something that could probably happen on a little bit more of a regular basis when I was in the minor leagues were even early in Seattle Where I hadn't harnessed my Mechanics control yet. So I could you know. Throw a ball with a batch stop and you know it just happened or I could throw a fastball. Into the you know fifty five see you know just just mechanically. I wasn't there yet But in that particular all star Game. That was something I remember. Pretty vividly that you know It was Extremely Humid evening in Baltimore interest. Just simply pitch the God away In the and then everything else that followed just kinda fell in place You know it all started with the hitter that I was spacing. John Kruk got any other hitter may not have played off as as humorous as John. Kruk did And the way everything. The sequence of pitches to follow after that pitch and then his reaction to those pitches I think that's what made it. Funny and Part of highlight of that all star game and All Star Games That followed they. They still show that but that was nothing that was you know planned out. Hey when I get into game I'm just going to launch a ball over someone's head and then I'm GonNA follow up with a couple of sliders and they're gonNA swing like that. I mean you you honestly watch that at bat and I mean you know. He was a great hitter And and he you know did WANNA be embarrassed and I. I didn't try to do that after I launched the pitch like that. I was just trying to you know. Throw the pictures that I was being asked to throw in. Throw them effectively and I I was able to do that. And that's why I do said the sequence everything just fell in place now. I will say Having known Larry Walker in the minor leagues with Montreal there was another all star game A few years after the Baltimore game and I think he may have been Flaying obviously he was playing. I don't know what team I was on. The he came up to me and obviously he was on in the other division and he goes. Hey what are we doing? And so if you watch that. All-star highlight you know. I threw a pitch over his head. He started off in the left side of the on bat the plate and then I threw a ball over his head kind of like the John Crock and then he turned his batting helmet around. And then so that that was more of a playful kind of thing that was Kinda planned out but the John. Crock was much like the bird that was never played either. Wow or randy. I get that That that's you're right. Maybe 'cause crunchy played it off so well that I just assumed that you were having fun and and knowing You know the nervousness in the moment that you just said yeah throw it against the backstop and everyone will have some fun with that because we all had we we. I had fun. I mean I'm not that good of a picture that I can throw A. You know a ball over his head like that and then throw three effective sliders. Three hundred hitter let alone all star that year and and get him to look like that. I mean it was everything kind of fell into place and it was humorous and he played it off and I played it off and that was a true highlight and There was no there was no you know planning of anything like that before the game you know. I didn't meet up with him You know before the game and said. Hey you're gonNA you're the Chosen One. I'm GONNA throw a ball over your head or anything like that Just went over Win Over really Humorously in Into this day it's still fun to watch. Yeah and did you ever. What do you remember about Your Cup first conversation with crunchy after that? Well I think he probably got asked about it more than I did And I think he i. You know wouldn't run into him that much. I think he was playing with. I believe it was Philadelphia and I was a Seattle Mariners then Obviously it was in ninety three so I wish Seattle but I believe he was in Philadelphia. We didn't read didn't Cross past very much So I think that was another reason. Why it was pretty humorous to be able to face people From the National League that you don't get that Opportunity Yuli here about their greatness or see it on Highlights or or on TV. But you didn't get the actually face them that much until interleague play got into the game and you know I think It worked Very much votes wage. I definitely knew the caliber of the heater. He was and I'm assuming that that he might have known that. I was a power pitcher In a little wild back then and being left handed hitter as well. I think that's one reason that most lefthanded hitters initially were a little worried about getting in the batter's box against me having a three quarter release and then throwing You know being power pitcher and then obviously initially not having much control all those intangibles. I think you know you'd you'd probably rather be a right handed hitter facing me seeing the ball. Come out of You know almost second baseman is almost fielding from one hundred percent and I know what teams I covered the left handed hitters the day. You pitched they took the day off or they were given the day off. And I'm I'm curious about. Who is a left handed hitter? Who you could see was digging in and saying you know what I love this challenge when I when I don't think there was anybody that just bailed I you know I think anybody. I think anybody that that was in the line of that day. You know there was no easy out And I think later in my career early in my career I never thought about What we're talking about now later in my career I started hearing about you know you know the best haters on the team. The opposing team were usually left handed hitters or at least a couple of them when they worked Starting to play I would understand why they work. And so you know I felt like well now A great deal responsibility that when I'm out there. Pitching in and left handed hitter is playing. It was almost like he was playing into my hands to that. I do need to concentrate a little bit more on getting them out because as soon as they get a hit off me then they feel like what was it. Wasn't that hard or you know it's not that big of a deal. I Dunno so making a little bit tougher on a left-handed hitter You know I gave up my share hits. Obviously but I just feel like if you're gonNA already be somewhat intimidated by by being in the lineup. And then eventually you are going to be in the lineup and I probably got do my part in in reassuring you that maybe you know. It's GonNa be a really tough at bat. I always played into that as well after a while. But I mean I mean you know. There's no John all the route Phased Union a home. Run off me. You know I enjoyed I enjoyed facing don mattingly. You know we. We talked about baseball a little bit over the years. When I've played with the Yankees and he was there we would talk a little bit about it. you know to me to me the best hitters in my generation if you think about it the best hitters in my generation from nineteen eighty nine to two thousand nine the best hitters in that era were left handed hitters. Think about it. Oh Yeah in Griffey Junior. Barry Bonds Wade boggs George Brett. Don Mattingly Tony Gwynn. Yes Tony Gwynn and I love facing him. God what how? What a privilege it truly was. What a privilege. It was defaced. These people they're saying they're they're the best you can see where I'm coming from the best hitters in the game you know left handed in my eyes. I mean yeah you have Frank Thomas and people like understand he's right hand but a majority of the best hitters in my era were left hint left handed and I got the face of them early in my career. And then after a while you know maybe it was because I was able to harness by -bility and made things A little bit more difficult for them Based on my pitching ability of the early on I think they were just worried about me and getting hit Not Finishing up a pitch to a left-handed hitter meant that the ball was going to go over your head. Or you know or you're going to get hit if I didn't finish up a pitch You know it was most likely going to be up in a way. And that's to a left handed hitter. I remember Pitching in Fenway Day Game they're in a threw a fastball. And Mike Greenwell another great left handed hitter. I ended up hitting him in the head. And obviously it's not on purpose but if you're left handed pitcher and your face your left handed hitter and I'm six foot ten and I don't get the ball down in the zone. The ball's GONNA be up in a way the balls up in a way in your left handed hitter. That's that's both the ball's GonNa be coming at you and I think that was the reason why some left handed hitters. Were a little worried about that. That particular scenario anyways I hit a migraine. Well you know the the fans weren't too happy about that and I can completely understand that but that was a situation where you know. After it happened I went to home. Plate made sure that he was okay. And I'm not out there you know he's out there to To make a living for his family and I'm not out there surely to to hurt him by any means but that was something that I understood right away that if I don't finish up my pictures to a left handed hitter that could be the outcome and I think that was one reason why left handed hitters you know like you said the angle slider The inability to be able to pick up the ball Like maybe a right Hander Kane. A little bit faster and the release point you know all works to the disadvantage to a left handed hitter with that all being said if you're left hitter and you liked the challenge In in all of a sudden you do have Some hits off me then then. You've enjoyed that challenge you've been successful at it and You know it's not that big of a deal do you? You don't know why everybody's making it such a big deal. and You know I just felt like you know I would. I would play into that quite a bit too Just trying to make a little bit more difficult but there's definitely definitely left handed hitters that That fared pretty well off of me just like there was right handed hitters he. Certainly you've had so many signature moments in your career that you know the Kruk moment The two thousand one world series the perfect game and you mentioned the burden of curious. Just knowing how fans are when you bump into fans you signing autographs. What's the play or the moment that everybody asks you about? Bird is that right yes well because That is I don't think there was. I don't think there was too many things like that. Scenario that were captured on film. That people could actually see There may have been things you know. It's like that you know you have to see it to believe it and you know it was lucky to be captured on film and the only reason it was is because it was just some. It was one of our camera guys. Small little video camcorders out there in center field for pitchers like myself or are hitters for watch. Do You know that was back in two thousand and one I think so You know that that kind of resource was was kind of up and coming with the video rooms and all the technology and all that but the only reason that situation got captured was just simply because our camera guy had a little camcorder out there. If not the only people that obviously would have witnessed it would have been the players and the fans there but You know it. Kinda was captured in. Blew up with everybody seeing that and then. I think it's happened a few times after that in different ways maybe but that that is definitely the one thing that people You know See the most because there can be people that weren't even born when I when that happened and they obviously someone has showed them. That's that situation so It's it's it's a situation that much much probably. I probably react to that situation. Like John Kruk Reacted to the situation of throwing that ball over his head he got he got kind of tired of talking about it. You know what I mean. Oh absolutely what let let me ask you about the two thousand and one world series game six and seven. Which again I I you know for me. Personally that will be. We'll really define you in terms of what you were is a pitcher in your career in game six seven innings to runs you guys wind even the series at three all and the next night You know I can't remember anyone talking about well there's a possibility Randy Johnson could pitch out of the bullpen and gained seven the very next day. When did that become a possibility in your mind? Wherever it was it was the furthest thing from my mind to. I mean You know pitching pitching the must win game game six coming back from New York being down now three to and and helping to win game six You know we had a sizeable lead in that game. So I was able to pitch seven innings. I believe and and leave the game with a pretty good size lead. But before coming out of the game Bob Bradley asset if I were to come out of the game now available to catch up needed in game seven. You know not going to say no. I don't know how I you know I. I don't know how you know that year at already pitched like you know the regular season two hundred thirty innings and you know. I pitched the most in that postseason So you know. I was pretty gassed at a by the time Gained six came around. But you know not going to say no and don't know what I would have left to take the next day but you know in those situations adrenaline. Pretty much takes over. And they'll be channel recently showed game seven and I ended up watching The last couple innings of that just to just kinda remember how everything kind of developed and You you tend to you know over that many years you tend to kind of forget how everything kind of went down and so it was kind of interesting to watch that but I think Coming out of the bullpen after throwing All the innings and all the pictures that I did that year Yeah it was just Share adrenaline that took over and One of the greatest moments of my career considering You know you play baseball to to go to a world series and win one disliked if you're a football player going to the Super Bowl and and an celebrating Are Are Fortunate enough to play twenty two years and I only got to one One World Series so thankful that That's a one world series was successful and it was memorable and In the town that Actually the city that I still live in which Arizona's my home and so I'm thankful that It all kind of all kind of came into play All kind of dropped into place and you got the win in game two. You got the win game six. And then you get the winning game seven after you guys. Come back in the ninth inning. He gets Mariano Rivera. Louis Gonzales getting to walk off hit curt. Schilling told me that when Fonseca Soriano hit the home run to give the Yankees the lead to two one that the ball was in the air and soaring toward left center field when it popped into his mind. Oh my God Rivera's coming into the game and like at that moment he thought that's it like Rivera's coming in. Tell me what was going through your mind when you saw that I I probably along with everybody else. I don't know how many people were at that game. You know you know forty eight forty nine thousand people and all the millions of people that were watching the game on TV around the world That was probably whether you are rooting for us or against us. That is probably the same thing that everybody else was saying as well He's probably the only player in the game that you would a probably the only closer In my generation once again that Had that kind of aura about him that if you were losing the game and you were in the seventh or eighth inning you knew that You know he was down there and it was gonna be a really a tough task at hand to overcome that and You know I probably was down in the bullpen. Not warming up yet because I think I think Soriano hit the the home run in about the seventh inning to take the lead But I think I was down in the bullpen But I kind of thought the same thing I also thought I also thought that even more so that that crossed my mind even more so when I was walking off the mound in the top of the night I come in and pitched it to a batter to in the in the top of the eight but after I completed the top of the night and we were still losing to to warn walking off the mound. You know essentially having a flashback. The whole year that we had How amazing the run was that we had you know You know beating Atlanta the to get to the world series and getting through Saint. Louis I believe it was and and then you know how how mad you call was and game one and game two at home winning those games and and and winning or or being in the lead being in the lead in game three four and five in New York and and now you know then it could have easily been. We could have easily swept the world series. But now we're actually on the verge of losing walking off the mound. That's not not insurmountable You know way of thinking about you know thinking about how great the world series was. You know this this could have been ours But you know everybody has their day and it One reason why I was happy to be able to watch the bottom of the ninth inning. And just to recall how everything kind of developed with a base it here and a botched Bunt play a throat a second basin and then I hit you know Craig Craig. Counsel getting hit in the hand How alcohol thing just kind of developed You know you kind of forget how everybody just remembers the outcome the infield playing in and Gonzo getting the base it over his head. But you kind of forget about how that whole innings develops because that doesn't happen very often to To Mariana Rivera when he has a lead. It's usually one to three and and but it was pretty magical to see that happen. I've asked players like I talked to David. Freeze ABOUT GAME. Six and two thousand eleven and he has absolute total. Recall the moment when you know his triple goes over. Nelson Cruise's head when his home run walk off he? He still remembers that and on the other hand. I talked to Aaron Boone about his home run and he can't remember any of it in that moment when you see Louis. Gonzalez's hit fall in me from that point forward. What do you remember It just a blurred truly I mean You know that was nineteen years ago And to try to remember the details now you know I you know that was two thousand and one and then I went on and played eight four years so I was not. I didn't make any more world series memories but and then be retired for eleven years. Just kinda hard to remember how everything Kinda just remember the highlights and the lowlights of of games you don't remember how everything kind of develops You know from the first inning to the night some people can recall. All of that for me I just I can't just Just a bit of a blur was just a an amazing run. And then you think about how some players and have been fortunate enough to have that feeling multiple times and then to think. Oh knee editor on the other hand. There's there's players in the hall of fame and great players that have never had that feeling of of getting to a World Series. And that's truly as a as a as a little boy when you're playing baseball and little league and and all these kinds of things stick ball and all the wiffle ball and all that the the scenarios in your backyard or always you know you know game seven world series and all that and and then when you were actually in a game seven. You're walking off the mound and you're playing against the greatest dynasty of any sport. You're you're always supposed to be thinking positive for sure. You don't have to tell me that but you know the glimmer of not thinking positive creeps in there. You're losing its game seven. There is no more tomorrow. We're three outs away from losing and we're going against not even arguably there's no argument. He's the greatest closer of all time. You know Mariano Rivera. So it's okay in the back of your head if you're thinking wow you know how. How how how? How can this happen? It's like everything was going our way and then all of a sudden it just turned But then For every moment that you think that there's someone you know on the shoulder on the editor shirt of the you got the negative. The negative person on one side of your shoulder. Then you got the other the the angel on your shoulder saying this game's over till it's over. Oh I wonder percent. Yeah one hundred percent. I told friends when I worked on a book on that game seven. I told you know at the end of that world. You guys dominated ninety five ninety six percent of that world series and yet they're the Yankees. Were three outs away was chrome. That's what I'm saying. And that's what I'm saying. It's like you know That's what I'm saying. I mean theoretically you know We we leave Arizona being up two. Nothing we're we're leading games three in game four endgame five late in late in the game. I mean we lost those leads. I believe Late in the game with our closer Byung Young Kim if you recall and that's why it was so rewarding when we did win everybody was looking for him You know to hug him. And you know it's definitely that's one reason why it's a team game. We got there because of all the games he saved But looking at You know we could have easily swept the Yankees and you know And now we were walking up the mound and you're thinking of God we're We went from we went from you know having such a great year and possibly you know sweeping the Yankees to losing now So anybody was thinking you know it was in the bag you know had had it was okay to think that for a split second because you have every right to think that gives you have the greatest closer of all time that's coming in that's proven in those situations that has not failed though situations very often and so if you're thinking We have very little chance if you say very little while the doors dot closed all the way in and like I said we chipped away and things happened the next minute you're going from how is how are we going to overcome this to to. It happened so quick that we're dog piling on the PITCHER's mound. I'm sure there's other players that have had come back scenario in In the world series and they know exactly what I'm what How what am explaining absolutely randy? I appreciate you taking the time to help distract us during this time. Well I think it's a great distraction talking baseball and I know in two thousand one that that's exactly what I think it was during nine. Eleven was a distraction for people to get their minds off the off of everything at that time and I think you know we're we're at In Two thousand twenty under these circumstances I think it's you know it's going to be a little different than that you know this is This is something that now I guess For a while they were talking about fans. Not even being able to come to the ballpark be And that's how that's how different This situation is From something else that You know probably the last thing That baseball went through two thousand and one and so now. We're we're trying to Baseball's trying to tackle this situation and find out how Find out when and how of baseball will play a role in the recovery of our country and in the world one hundred percent. I agree with you. Thank you randy my pleasure. Thank you buster. I appreciate it. Is the chief executive of our weekly quizzes in graphic artist ballfields all around America all across the world or you can go to his website. Todd Dot Com pot. How you doing? I'm doing right. Buster healthy here and hanging out and hope the same applies to everyone out there you and I live about what ten miles apart or so and it feels like about six thousand Here in New York lockdown the way that we are so we just got done talking with Randy Johnson. And I gotTa Tell You. I wanted to ask him about that moment in the all star game at Camden yards when he threw the ball over John. Crux had and I always had the belief in my heart. And my mind that that was goof. Like Randy made up his mind beforehand. You know what it's the All Star game it's fun sex addition game. I'm GONNA throw the ball over his head all the way to the backstop on purpose and I learned. It wasn't a Goof me like that was legitimately and now you can understand why John Crook was so frightened for lack of a better way to describe it holy smokes in an all star game which. Let's let's frame this. There were several years when they use the expression. This time it counts. That was well before then so I'm a little bit surprised. Well he made it clear he just he. The pitch got away from him. It wasn't like he was trying to trying to scare them all these years that that had to have been put on right. Because of Randy's reputation is intimidating six ten left-hander throw the ball the backstop. Everyone has a laugh. But it's pretty clear that as we talked about like John Crux reaction to it sorta. He played it off brilliantly. Well I remember watching that on. Tv that was one of the last ones. I was actually at and I learned something today and these days if you learn something on on a. It's a big accomplishment for the day. So that's good. Nice all right before we get to the weekly. Quiz. We're taking our tour of ballparks all around America and this week we're going to stop in San Diego. My old stomping grounds. And we're going to talk about I about Cacao Park which I it's one of my favorite parks I love it there. Buster and you know we. We've we've had one of good ballparks that we've been talking about pretty soon we're GONNA get to clunkers and at some point but I love Petco Park to. There's nothing not to like about San Diego like when you when you look at these ball parks and we've had enough of these discussions now that we've got some momentum you look for unique features that aren't necessarily gimmicky. I love the western metal supply building out in left field. I love the fact that there's a foul poke aided on the building itself I will say I have sat all over that Ballpark I sat in some seats that they call the point. So there are these barstools out in left field left. Centerfield overlooking the Expanse there and they are just spectacular. You get one of those good Sandiego Craft Beers and all that beautiful weather and you're right there and to me it's amazing. The neighborhood around it has exploded since this ballpark opened There's nothing bad you could say about San Diego. There's nothing bad you could say about. Petco Park No I. I agree with what you're saying. I love the fact that it's down by the water. The natural place to build this ballpark as you know The old ballpark which all always refer to Jack Murphy Stadium. You might call qualcomm Parker Stadium or whatever it was told it was Jack Murphy. Okay because he was a sports writer in San Diego who was so instrumental to sports in that town east to work in the same newspaper. I did at the San Diego Union. That park is the one I worked in. It's near and dear to my heart and what I'll never forget about it. Jack Murphy Stadium was constructed down in mission valley where there used to be a river that would run through that and there was wildlife everywhere and that included after games especially in the in the two years. I covered the team. The padres were not very good and so the the animals seem to be very comfortable coming into the ballpark. Because you're usually wasn't anybody there and after Games You know people that this is. The number of fans who did come would leave their popcorn. And all the the tortilla chips all the little goodies. That were there. Fish Tacos In San Diego and these animals would feast in two years. I covered the team. I saw running through the stands after games. Fox cut. We saw lots of skunk. In fact there's a famous video of the The New York mets players being chased out of the visiting Dugout by the appearance of a skunk coyotes. I you know I saw a one time. A An owl swooping down and after the game it was it. Wasn't the San Diego Zoo todd. But it kind of was National Geographic meets the National League West Buster. That's it I had no idea. That's amazing. My memory of that ballpark. I only went there once and it was a game in August. Two thousand two with a couple of buddies we went to a rendered meaningless padres phillies game and we came down from Orange County Gaza went with lived up there. And you know traffic can be not so hot on five right but This game is just cruising along. We're in the sixth inning. It's been an hour something. It's like holy smokes. We're going to get home. You know it's a weeknight. At a reasonable hour things get stalled long story short. A couple things The game wound up going sixteen innings so We stayed for the entire game. It ended you know God knows when a little bit after midnight. I saw a couple of things that ballpark of course emptied out. Along the way we moved down in our seats There's nobody there. It's the fifty. Thinning are so a foul ball where in left field down toward the field. A foul ball comes looping over our heads it takes one bounce. I look behind me. There's a woman nursing a baby standing up over by the the portal that leads into the hallway. There she the baby in one arm. The ball takes one bounce. She catches it with her other. Hand the move a quarter of an inch and that kind of game a lot of skill there in San Diego A lot of baseball did that's awesome. I can't say now I would say this about the MERV. It wasn't there wasn't anything that really jumps out in terms of the ballpark itself. I mean although we always enjoy it because I got to work there in fact I I. My last year was in. San Diego rented an apartment. Which literally is the Closest Department at Jack Murphy Stadium? And it took me about ninety seconds to drive from that over to the ballpark but the Ballpark at selfless. Just kind of multipurpose stadium under the Sun. I JUST REMEMBER. Those big looping spirals that got out of there like in that sense kind of like giant stadium and the meadowlands but yeah beautiful setting though and wildlife. What you really can't beat bus. You never walked to the ballpark because what you were afraid of being attacked by a Fox or some bears or something or people. It was not a great area for that. Yeah I'm walking back at one o'clock in the morning and that area probably wouldn't have been a good idea all right. Let's get to this week's quiz all right here. We go guys what was the last. Mlb Franchise to regularly wear pullover jerseys. No buttons wasn't the reds the pirates the expos or the Indians hundred sixty two games a year. We're talking no buttons Reds Pirates Expos Indians. Let's go all right Taylor. Let's go expos for no reason in particular I am going to go. I'M GONNA go Indians and I have a particular image in mind which is I Remember Cory Snyder. On the cover of sports illustrated. I think that was when they still wore them what he got. Well you're both wrong. And Buster your especially long because those button ups those are nineteen he thinks the Cincinnati reds would be the correct answer the Cincinnati reds of all teams nice to pullovers remember ninety world series. That is how they're and Taylor to your point the Montreal Expos Shockingly never wore buttons for a team with kind of. I don't know if they were outlandish but colorful uniforms. They were pretty traditional in that sense. So you're both losers. You're both wrong but you know what? We both have. Lots of time to prepare for next week's quiz absolutely. Oh my goodness all right. Thanks for doing this and and thanks for line me to to go down memory lane with the the San Diego Zoo south at Jack Murphy Awesome. Thanks guys here's Tim Kerchuns daily baseball. Fix this about hall of Famer Frank Robinson on this date Frank Robinson made his majorly debut. He is the most ferocious player I've ever seen. Where a major league uniforms won. The triple crown is the only player to win the. Mvp invoked leans when he was traded to the Orioles in one thousand. Nine hundred sixty six Brooks Robinson told me. Frank taught us how to win on opening day. One thousand nine hundred seventy five. He became the first African American to manage in the major league. He was a player manager but he didn't put himself in the lineup that day until Phil Segi his. Gm came over and said Frank. You have to play today. This is your day so Robinson did and in the first inning batting second he gets behind own to manage manage then throws a nasty slider of the outside part of the plate and Frank Robson goes. This guy is trying to strike me out on three pitches. He's trying to embarrass me on my day. Nobody does that to me. And then Frank Robinson hit a home run over the left center field fence. And that is Frank Robbins. Think bleacher tweets already. Buster bleacher tweets. Four Friday. Be Real quick. Though before we get to the tweets I want to remind everyone this Sunday tune into the last dance. A behind the scenes look at the ninety s Chicago Bulls Dynasty. The series starts this Sunday at nine PM Eastern on ESPN and listen to the wrap-up podcast hosted by Jalen and Jacoby immediately. Following the broadcast that is presented by our friends at State Farm and at and T. You can find that podcast wherever you enjoy your podcast. I'm extremely excited this about this. I'll be watching on Sunday night for certain. Are you gonNa Watch buster or is this your a? You're set Jeffey like you're very much a straight and narrow baseball guy now. I covered everything. Heck Yeah and Michael Jordan and I share the same birthday. We were in college at the same time. Very much aware and also One of his teammates that yelled at and apparently punched at some point was my a someone who I graduated within the same year. We'll purdue We went to vanderbilt. Time will tell and I have talked about that. That surprises me. You thought it was a a baseball. Only Guy 'cause I I you know. I love a lot of sports and I can't wait for that on Sunday. I learned something new about everyday. Buster I apologize if I send your friend offending your sensibilities there. Let's get to the tweets Aaron at a Iran San Diego rates in. What is Major League Baseball? Doing in terms of communicating with players are hoping for. We've heard lots of complaints about the proposals. But is there any conversation between the parties on how to improve the proposals? Yes there is. There are a lot of conversations going on The player association also updates the players on them Sometimes the players do learn from the media. what some of the details are in. They have to address some of these. But I'll say it again. I just feel like that. Just more information needs to be developed about the fight against the corona virus before you're going to get buy in on players no matter what the details are. This is just kind of backing on that myself do you. Could you see a scenario where it's like? You're welcome to join us. You don't have to so we're going to fill out the rest of the roster with minor league guys and free agents. Could you see a scenario like that plane out? If they do go through with us. Yes I do and they're not close to doing it but if they ever did get to that point where they were going to you know. Play Games empty ballpark's and keep the players away from their families. Four four and a half months. I think it would be a number of players who would not participate interesting. Pk Steinberg writes in As you're someone who travels a lot normally? Are you finding it hard to stay in one place or is it? Actually a relief became. I'll echo what Mike. Mussina told US earlier this week that you know he said he jokingly said that he invented social distancing because he lives on a mountain in the middle of Pennsylvania. I kind of feel like I was trained. Perfectly for social distancing. Growing up in a farm in the middle of nowhere in In Vermont the nearest house. Our House was a mile away But beyond that You know I just want everyone to better you know. I just want everyone to feel better so it feels like every day when you get up you just like okay. I'm going to do the right thing today. I'm going to keep my distance from people including my next door. Neighbors really grandparents to my kids as Marley said with us. No real problems as long as you're safe and healthy. Yup last one for today. Mike Atkinson at Kingston Mike Pr. I recently read Joey. Gallo had something like one thousand three thirty seven plate appearances before he hit a sacked fly in two thousand nineteen. Do you have a favorite strange baseball? Statistic yes And I might have the number wrong but it's very close to being right at the very least. I think I read that Joey. Votto in the course of his career has hit one foul pop up to a first baseman which tells you something about the precision in the excellence. Joey votto swing. It's remarkable statistic. That he just doesn't pop back in the day. Wade boggs used to be the same way than hit so many line drives. He just wouldn't it. Pop-ups enjoy bottle is the same way. Good stuff buster. Be Sure to subscribe review to this podcast. We got a bunch of good stuff coming up next week and quick apology the listeners. Yesterday I was kind of on autopilot. My filing systems for all my podcasts. All the same. Drop the wrong episode in so here. I am myself to a public flogging in the town square or social media flogging probably probably feel worse at times. Now it's all it's all good and what a great week we had hall of. Famers right from the get-go Johnny Bench. Mike Mussina Jim Palmer George Brett Randy Johnson next week. It's going to be general manager week and we'RE GONNA lead off with Hall of fame. General Manager Pat Gillick. Who's got back stories on? Some of the biggest deals he made and about each Euro. A lot of fun. We'll be talking with other general managers as well have a great weekend. Everybody thanks for listening and stay safe for listening to the baseball tonight. Podcast if you're playing fantasy baseball don't forget listen to the fantasy focus podcast checkout all podcast at ESPN DOT com slash pod center. Baseball tonight the PODCAST.

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Encore: Pitch Perfect

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Encore: Pitch Perfect

"Endless thread is supported by. Indeed. If you're hiring with indeed you can post a job in minutes, set up screener questions and then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. Hey, it's Ben. Yes. It appears as though you are about to listen to an endless thread episode. It's going to be amazing. But I'm here to let you know that technically we are on break right now. Don't worry. We're working on some really exciting stuff. If you're just finding us for the first time, take a spin through our back catalogue. We've got tons of episodes on lots of different topics just waiting for your golden years to hear if you're a frigging genius. And you've already been our goods have no fear. We will also be dropping stuff in the feed. In the meantime to keep you warm and don't worry. Would it be back soon? Produced by the island at you are Boston. Sewing bed about about about. Oh, hey, then see there because this is a podcast. It's our old friend amorous Iverson. And I know I know were in the endless thread JAMES BOND villain layer cooking up some new podcast episodes Benz got a welder mask on on pouring beakers into other beakers small explosions are happening. We're getting there. You're going to hear all this stuff in like a month. But in the meantime, replaying you some of the old hits the home runs if you will or you catch and what I'm pitching. Yes. We're listening back to our old baseball episode from last year to celebrate the start of the new season. So while you await our return like Red Sox and cracker. Jack's here's one of our classics. What's up snoops Iverson? Hey, ben. What was that? It's the response you deserve. Do you know I'm calling. You snicks Iverson? For my rapping skills. No, definitely not. You've never heard them. All right. So snoops Iverson is the snoop Dogg style nickname. I made up for you snoop has a lot of nicknames. It turns out Snoop Doggy Dogg. We now that one you've also got big snoop Dogg. That's with four jeeze because it ain't nothing a g thing babe. Snoop lion. I know that one. Yeah. The rest of far nickname uncle snoop snoop Zillah DJ, snoop Delic dogfather. Okay. This is the part where you have to tell me where this is going. Okay. Okay. I'm telling you this because snoop has about as many nicknames as he does side gigs in different sports. Really? Yeah. I'm prove it to you with a Reddit thread, you ready? I'm ready. Okay. All right. We got bask- basketball. Did he just shoot a three pointer drain two three? Okay. All right. I'm impressed. Okay. Football. He's catching a pass of some sort not bad, right hockey. Snoop on us. Cricket snoop playing cricket. Okay. Come on. It's pretty good. All right. Here's here's the last one baseball snoop. Just went over the fence to catch a ball in some sort of baseball game. And we ended on baseball because we're going to talk about baseball today. He plays softball. Right. If you'd come to one of my games, then you would know man. Well, you got a new season about to start. So I'll come okay good. Are you a pitcher? I am the pitcher man. Okay. I think you're gonna like this episode because we're about to talk about a pitch. Okay. You get a pitch me. This story. Right over home plate. Well, it's a little bit of a curve ball. But I'm looking for the strike zone. I'm in the zone, man. Okay. I'll be the judge of that. Okay. What should we call this one going with pitch perfect? I'll take it. I'm Ben Johnson. And this is endless thread a show featuring stories found in the best ecosystem of online communities called the reds. Okay. For our first story. We've got our producer brother-in-arms Josh Schwartz in here. Josh tell us about Randy Johnson. So Randy Johnson was one of the best pitchers of all time hall of Famer. Okay. And he had this iconic. Look thick mustache grimy mullet. He was really tall six foot ten inches tall. And this led to one of my personal favorite athlete nicknames of all time the big unit. He kind of reminds me of a grumpy Viking like his look is like a dour Viking definitely some kind of liking completely agree and the most famous moment of his career probably happened in two thousand one, but it's not the type of hall of fame moment, you'd expect. It's March twenty fourth during a meaningless spring training game. And he winds up to throw a pitch. Oh, no guys. I actually know where this is. So the big unit winds up to throw one of his wicked fast balls, and I want you guys to watch the video of what happens next. Okay. Randy Johnson winds up for pitch. I have watched this video so many times many many many times. Okay. The pitch does not make it to home plate seemingly just turns into an exploded. Poof, like a pillow exploding here, something a poof of feathers. You can almost hear the sound of the impact. Basically what you guys are saying is Randy Johnson exploded a freaking bird mourning mourning dove to be specific what happens next. Well, it's basically chaos a giants player walks over and picks up the dead bird and shows it off to everyone one of the groundskeepers runs out and tries to sweep the feathers up with his broom, which was a bad idea, and he ends up picking up the feathers by hand and the rule at a do over. So basically, it's scrubbed from all the official records. So this is not the type of thing that the internet easily forgets. It's also been nearly the top post on Reddit like many times it was the seventeen year anniversary over last weekend. And it was almost on the front page. I think and there's a certain redder who did something famous with this video. Yep. He posted in the never tell me the odds community, which is where people post crazy things that you don't believe actually happened except there's video evidence of them happening. Okay. So lots of people were commenting on this and read it user, one one zero one zero one zero zero two aka Andrew cut window, this whole thing and decided to comment on it. I was really bored and nothing better to do. And I thought I should, you know, be a rebel and tell them the odds on the never tell me the odds suburb it see never tell me. The odds has one rule which is to never actually calculate the odds of these things happening. Okay. But this guy. Did calculate. The odds of that bird getting hit by Randy Johnson's pitch in that exact moment. Yes. Yes. He did. But this wasn't some basic math problem. He really committed to this. It's a simplified model involving the volume of birds in North America and the volume of pitches in North America. So the space that pitch takes versus the space of the Burj take-up. What is the probability that the birds and the pitch are in the same place at the same time, his, quote, unquote, simplified model also involves the radius of a baseball the land mass of the United States, the density of a typical morning dove Manby path a baseball takes after leaving a pitcher's hand until crossing the plate and together you can come up with a rough approximation of what the probability is. Okay. Josh, we are podcasters not mathematician. So I think we should just cheat and fast forward to the answer. I am right with you. Andrew did determine that. There was a point zero zero zero zero zero nine percent chance that Randy Johnson would hit a bird with any given pitch. That's five zero. If you're keeping track at home. I am and my incredibly nuanced in math expert translation is that. This is a really really really unlikely thing that happened. Yes. I mean, obviously. But the best part is that other nerdy. People actually responded to Andrews comment with suggestions about how to improve his calculations and they zeroed in on one particular detail about the location of mourning doves across the country in my model. I just assume them to be uniformly distributed across the US. And you know, there could be some biases for the bird being in more more places that are closer to the coast. And then also baseball stadiums. There's more people closer to the coast. So maybe it's more likely that there's a morning Govett. Maybe the probability is higher because of that. Or maybe there's a lot of food in a CD. So there's more likely morning does their Inder is actually kind of famous on. This particular sub read it for posting odds of all sorts of things. Right. And almost getting. Band, which is the thing that can happen. If you break the one cardinal rule of never tell me the odds, like a, you know one day one day, no commenting loud van for day. That's the correct terminology. So he's like a red outlaw roaming never tell me the odds and stirring up trouble wherever he goes has he ever been officially banned. He says he's only been banned once for calculating that. He had a zero to seventy percent chance of not getting band. Of course, he did that sounds about right for read it. But did Randy Johnson get banned from baseball for murdering a bird? Oh, it wasn't murder. Come on accident bird slurred slaughter least. He did not he retired after a long twenty two season career. And now he's a professional photographer, but he was never really able to escape his unintentional bird assassination because check out the logo for his photo company. Bird dead bird on its back with feathers floating up above it in his defense. And I think the Mambi has said this Randy Johnson is reportedly a conservationist. So I think he was kind of sad about this too. Okay. I'm gonna wipe this bird slaughter from my brain. Okay. Baseball related shower thoughts. Then oh, let's do some shower thoughts. These thoughts that you have in the shower that they can be kind of existential usually they're just kind of quirky and funny. Do you wanna do one? Definitely, okay. Baseball is really the only sport where the goal is to hit the spectators with the bowl. That's pretty good. This one is thanks to baseball. I'm allowed to F up twice before. I actually get in trouble three strikes. I like good. Okay. I love this one. The Los Angeles angels baseball team is directly translated as the angels angels. True. Okay. I have another one that's kind of kind of like that. Here. We go. The minor league baseball team for the Milwaukee Brewers should be called the micro. Bruce. Knew for a fact that my dad was on Reddit. I would think this was all him shower thoughts fan. Okay. Let's crack a beer and take a break. Okay. Endless thread is supported by. Indeed. When it comes to hiring. You don't have time to waste you need help. 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You are is about how an act of kindness can completely transform someone's life. Honestly, believe is Morton, this is what I was supposed to do. Kind world. Subscribe wherever you get your podcasts. Okay. So before the break we heard about pitcher Randy Johnson exploding a bird with a pitch, which we are sad about in the morning of community is probably also sad about. But we've now got a pretty feel good story to counteract that exploded bird sadness. Do meet Steve I'm doing pretty good. How about you the Stevie James is he's known online lives in California. But he's from New Jersey Mets fan and the lifelong sports fan in general mostly because of his dad, we would go out every Saturday morning, and we'd go get hot chocolate and a bagel. And then we'd read the sports section and then we had either go play tennis basketball throw a football around or throw baseball around. And so it was Steve's dad Jim who took him to his first sporting event ever on August twenty second nineteen ninety eight a baseball game Seattle. Mariners versus the Chicago White Sox. He was a big deal for a couple of reasons. Number one. The game was in Seattle. Steve's family lived in New Jersey. My dad happened to he was going to be going on a business trip. So he asked me he said, I know you like hang Griffey junior. Do you wanna go to this game? Number two, Ken Griffey junior center fielder for the Mariners at the time. An MVP a ten time gold glove recipient hit a great personality. He could field. He could hit for contact. You could hit for power. He was just good at everything. And he was just a real likable guy for a kid of my age. Steve was just four years old at the time. But even at that tender age he already knew how to heckle like a true sports fan. So one of the fondest memories. I have of this is one of the guys on the Mariners. He was in the batting circle. And I made the comment that he looked like a girl not knowing that was not the right thing to say being a four year old kid and the guy turned around at my dad, we still to this day don't know which player it was. But my dad always claimed it was Alex Rodriguez. So I like. To think that's who it was. I remember my dad put me up on his shoulders, and if I'm not mistaken, I think I went to extra innings it did by the way the Mariners one five four in the eleventh inning the feeling of the crowd when the Mariners won that game. I think it was a walk off hit from the DHA Martinez was unforgettable. Steve has been thinking about that game. A lot recently a couple of months ago Steve got a package from his dad's sisters inside. There were some baseball memorabilia and pictures of Stephen his dad and the ticket stubs to that nineteen ninety eight Mariner's game his dad had held onto them all of these years. It was pretty cool made me pretty emotional. I don't get a motion that often. But but these were difficult circumstances. Steve's dad had died. A few months before it was relatively unexpected. I had been told he had five years left. It was early dementia. The early signs of dementia, and I guess the medications he had taken didn't mix in the way they were hoping that would probably a day or two before he had passed was the last time. I talked with him Steve posted a picture of the ticket stubs from that nineteen ninety eight Mariner's game on the baseball sub. Read the post hook off registers offered their condolences some shared their own family. Baseball stories it was cooled to hear other people's memories too. Because I in a weird way helped other people relive their memories with their fathers that may or may not have passed away a couple of days later, a comment popped up in the thread from Mariners official. Yep. The official read it account for the Seattle Mariners. It read our deepest condolences. How does another game in twenty eighteen sound maybe August twenty second versus the Astros August twenty second twenty eighteen twenty years to the day since Steve went to his very first game with his dad. We can't promise another Edgar Martinez walk off they wrote. But let's make it another win. I can't even describe the feeling that I had when they did that. I mean, I know he's going to be there watching with us when we go. My plan is to take my daughter if I can if she's feeling. Up for it. If she's not going to act up on the plane ride and stuff like that. So her first game can be at Seattle. Also. Steve's daughter is three months old his dad never met her. Steve never even told his dad that he and his girlfriend were expecting mostly because they were having complications. And they didn't want to get ahead of themselves. But his daughter is doing great. I think it would have been very emotional for me for him to have met my daughter. I wish he could have. I know he would have tried to teachers sports like he had taught me, and it would have been cool for us to try and teach together. I would just tell her. He was a special guy. He was there for me when I needed to talk with him was very. Important her dad taught him the right morals and to be a good sport. When he played sports. Hopefully, my daughter will get my dad's genes in the sports area. Bye. See my that. And my daughter pretty often like her facial expressions and stuff like that. And I'm hoping she has a love of baseball. Like, I do and my dad did honestly, I hope she could continue on that tradition with her children and their children's children. Steph's tickets for August. Twenty second are waiting for him. It's Safeco field. The Mariners will be waiting for him to they've invited him onto the field for batting practice before the game. It'll be as first time back in Seattle in twenty years. But you know, what is not coming with him to that game. Those nineteen ninety eight ticket stubs, I'm not the most safe person. What stuff so I don't want to possibly hurt them in some way or lose them or something like that. Fair enough. You know yourself. That's good. Yeah. Yes. Okay. Ben, I have one final shower thought for you. Okay. I'm ready. Okay. The options go big or go home mean the exact same thing in baseball. I like it. All right. Let's take it home. No, mourning doves were harmed in the making of this episode. Also today, we learned Randy Johnson is a conservationist. I don't know if that was just some spin from major league baseball after people got mad about everyone joking about the bird staff. But, hey, if any major sports organization should be able to put a spin on something get Emory, but it's thin something get back to the dead joke. Sub read it where you belong. Okay. Not a home run fair enough. I'll walk off. Endless thread is a production of WBU are Boston's NPR station in partnership with red it. 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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 804  Seasons that Shouldve Won an MVP or CY

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The Sleeper and the Bust Episode: 804 Seasons that Shouldve Won an MVP or CY

"Hello and welcome to episode eight zero four of the sleeper. And the buzz. It is Tuesday April twenty first. I'm year olds for joined by Justin Mason. Just and I truly don't know the days dude. Yeah that's not as unintentional blunder. There to be funny. I blinked. Yeah I woke up my daughter this morning at nine o'clock because she woke her and my wife and my brother-in-law look up in the middle of the night so they could try to go. Watch the Meteo shower. That was happening last night. Oh cool especially 'cause so about fifteen years ago maybe thirteen years ago. I bought a telescope at a garage sale and it was like a five hundred dollar telescope at the time and but it was broken. Dude I'll give you do give it to you for ten bucks. Oh Wow He goes. I don't know how to fix it. I don't know where you can take one of these things. Go fix and it's literally been just sitting in my garage since then I've I've never been able to get it fixed up. My brother-in-law took it apart a few days ago and fixed it. Wow so a simple fix. I just didn't never did it. They will go up and they watch the meteor shower and And so she slept in so I woke her up this morning. I was like. Hey It's nine o'clock you got zoom. Call with your teacher at ten and she goes. It's Thursday no don so he is absolutely not Thursday not even close to Thursday. So yeah I mean at this point. Do Days even matter illuminated unless you're working? Yeah exactly and obviously the folks Those are out there working. Good on you man especially on the front lines as our bus in your butts huge and it's still important And it's the whole situation and it just seems that I I'm more speechless about it. Every time we talk money. There's no end in sight. We don't know you know exactly what it's going to be like and then you and I were just talking off air like what's it. GonNa be like when it does lift. You know how we're going to go out and exist in the world that people you know you're gonNA run back out as soon as it's lifted you're gonNA ease your way back on. You know I don't know I don't think I'm GonNa just zip back out and be out there doing everything ever right off the rip. I mean I don't already. I'm a little bit of a not a lot of bit of a homebody already but I don't know man this is this is all so wild and There's oil I've got to say about it but we do have a good show plan some excited to do that. We're talking about. We're supposed to have a special guest. Jason Kellett but his work Flip the script on him a little bit as far as What day he would be off so he's not able to join us here. So we're not gonNA Jason Kellett for our draft of seasons. That should've On an MVP. Or Cy Young. But there's plenty of seasons here. I wish we'd had three people though because there are so many that that are deserving now we cut it off at one thousand nine hundred seventy and frankly my draft list. I don't even know if I utilize the entire pool because I mean you know I I went back. It's not it's not all like within the last five years or whatever but it's like that there's there are so many where you're just like how how and you understand you know voting was different and we understand that but man even without the benefit of like understanding war and stuff like that you look at some of these like what. What were you guys do? What were you truly voting on here? It doesn't make any sense and you know just the over valuing of like homers in rabies for MVP's and of course wins for For for cy youngs is prevalent is prevalent. And it's it's kind kinda gross so we'll get into all of it though and I believe you have the number one pick in this draft. Is that correct? Who I believe is correct. 'cause I believe you went I When cartoon characters I did and I took an amazing pick and I sent you a video. That background blurred. We are is we are. We are researching the the aftermath of draft. I sent Justin some video. I was like a breakdown. Like a video essay about Spongebob and its prevalence in the culture and it specifically mentioned why he's more important than bugs. Bunny at Mickey Mouse and I was like. Oh God. I'm sending this the Justin instantly. It was so freaking funny but Okay go ahead and lead us off here. What is your number one seasons since one thousand nine hundred seventy that deserved an MVP or cy young and by the way there's no split here you can do ten cy youngs you can do ten. Mvp's you can do nine and one you can break it down. However you'd like go ahead Sir I'M GONNA take each row. Not Winning the two thousand four. Mvp Okay Mason about who won and then what what your guy did is. What is how will duties. I mean Vlad Guerrero one guy the MVP that year And I mean he broke in eighty four year old record in of total hits in a season that And finished yeah. I mean I'm not there are seven. Oh Wow did he really. Wow seven the do yeah boy. This is a great pick here it just I mean when when you break a record like that and when you play such a great all around game the way. Each row did I think part of it was he you know. He plays played in Seattle where there was a lot. Less is On Him The mariners are never good so I mean a lot of time. They weren't good wait. What was the big year? Two thousand one. Yeah it was two thousand or two thousand one. Yeah it's one of those but let's see what they did in two thousand and four because yeah that played a role too. And that's it's stupid. It shouldn't have yeah. They were sixty three and ninety nine. So you're right. They weren't getting any love but he was so. Each euro was so amazing. Dude he went off. And Vlad took it and the fact that each finished seventh is the real travesty. Here he finished a four runs higher in terms of war or four winds higher in terms of war. Then Vlad did that year and I mean Vlad had a great year and everything. And he's one of my favorite players to watch but I think One just each rose was never a flashy player in terms of like Doing all the different things that people wanted from but man he was just an elite hitter. La Probably one of the best of all time and two thousand four was one of his high water marks in fact he didn't win the MVP that year is a travesty. It is indeed and that is a That's a good opening pick. I like it. I'm going to go cross list here because that was a good one. I'm going to go super homer offer. I'm just GONNA stick to the brand and pick the two thousand sixteen. Cy Young Burland deserve that over poor. Selo come on. It's an absolute joke. I knew I almost took this one. I just so you wouldn't have it. I worried about that. I truly did with you. Haven't I pay you know parks and REC situation repeating here? You know the only justification that you can come to when you look at. It is the wins. That's the only place that you can really get there. I think if you're looking at it honestly because I mean ver- lenders got him everywhere else. That freaking matters and some spots by a massive mark. He's got him in. Era He's got him in whip he's got five innings on him. He's got him in my by like seventy strikeouts. Twenty fewer hits allowed. It's just an across the board thing but he's sixteen and nine versus twenty two and four and you can't tell me that's not why he was picked because I just won't believe it and it's ridiculous. Kluber was better than poor settled to Chris. Sale might have been better than poor Solo. You can make a case. That Tanaka from that year was better than poor. He had twenty four fewer innings. So I'll favor innings. You know like when things are close. I'll favor inning so I could understand if those were the top two if you then gave it to a fellow but they but that's that's just a a ancillary comment there on Tanaka even being better. He was the seventh place. Finisher Berliner absolutely deserved yes. There's a little bit of homer ism there because I'm a tigers fan but I think anybody looking at it objectively understands that even if you didn't WanNa overlander I think the only logical place you could have gone with. Kluber NOT POOR SELO SO I hate to critique is who wanted to warn in like crap on them and take you know Deborah degrade their honor. But you didn't deserve that and yet I'm well now. It and it did spawn one of the best wife responses history. When Kate Upton said I thought I was the only one who got to F- Justin verlander but it turns out the CY young voters get to as well. I mean just stand by stand by your man moment. They're just malaria hilarious comment by her. So yeah I gotta go with that. I nobody's surprised and you're probably not going to be terribly surprised by this next one either because I'm going to stay in the vein of popular one here. I'm going to get into some deeper cuts but I'm staying. I'm appealing to the masses here and I'm GonNa go and say Bart thief you too you too. Family have in fat thief or Toll Cologne rippin that two thousand five cy from Johan Santana. It doesn't make any sense and again the only way that you can look at this is that it was driven by winds which is so aggressively stupid. Because that doesn't like and I know we've evolved and gotten to a point where a lot of people understand that pitcher wins do not determine their value being credited with a win. You can have a great record and a great season and it really flashy record is still pretty cool. Like if you're twenty two and two or something that's pretty neat like I don't mind a real flashy record. It's still fun to look at. When someone's like fourteen no in June but I still wanna see like what their actual production is and if Bartolo doesn't go twenty one and eight. There's no way that he wins. That the grossest thing about it Santana was third and Bartolo went three forty eight one one sixteen on the IRA WHIP. Santana went to eighty seven point. Ninety seven in ten more innings. So you can't even say it was a volume thing but he was sixteen and seven. There's something about winning sixteen games. That apparently gets you screwed over for Cy Young. Hell I'd take in Mark Burleigh over over Bartolo he. He had a three twelve one. One Eight Combo. So he had him beat on. Whit by a good bit and a couple of weeks behind Cologne in in whip but he also had fourteen more. Things burly did so. I would've taken burly overblown Rivera by the way was the number two finisher which I don't aggressively object to because you know you can look at the war on these two first off picture war. I'm always a little bit suspect on especially ours. We use we use V four and I kind of like the Focus. More on what happened as opposed to the theoretical. Like what should have happened especially reliever why I don't WanNa get bogged down in that. And I think relievers can win it. Seventy eight innings one. Thirty eight eight point. Eighty seven Forty-three saves Mo as a number two is not the end of the world on its own but he should have been number two Santana then not bar. So that's my number two is Johan Santana's two thousand five cy young so I got two cy. Youngs off rip and it's over to you for the two three turn. Yes see the mistake you made was going against Bartolo Cologne. The man can do no wrong. He has to family well. Some of us are big enough personalities. We need to. What do you think people families are doing right now doing like I gotta I gotta I gotTa go? Yeah business trip business. Stop in the shoe business. But but you're not in the shoe business but you know some things have come up. I got I gotta go back in three days. Yeah no like joking aside. I wonder how it is going with people. I think you just have to choose right. Yeah just gotTa go all right. Well HUNKER NO I. I really like Jack and Sally. But you know Bart Junior and and Fred really need. They need me right now. More than ever so I gotta stick with them yeah. I don't know what the what the decision process is there but I think that It's probably you know. I wonder if some affairs have been broken up by this. Not that I would feel bad for people cheating on their significant others affairs due to The one bright spot of massive pandemic will have to be a faithful all of a sudden with my second pick. I'm GonNa Take Randy Johnson's two thousand and four. Okay Season by CY young Sarka. Yeah Yeah he fell short of beating Roger Clemens. He had sixteen wins. There you go. That was the problem. You don't want sixteen on a great season and and climbing believe had twenty game winner that year and so. I think that was the ultimate difference. Because he had a he had three wins higher and war He had like seventy more strikeouts in two six. Oh your a to a two nine eight Yara. She's so I mean. Yeah it's Randy Johnson was. I mean he won plenty of word so I don't feel too bad for the dude but That was one of his greatest seasons in Arizona and And he should have won the award and unfortunately Roger Clemens walked away with though. We'll get to Roger Clemens later because he had plenty of award snake from him as well. Oh he did and I guess we won't race to see who picks them I listed laden with them as well. Good Sir go ahead. All right Let's see. I think I'm going to go against the way I usually go in terms of like. I'm not a big fan of Of pitchers winning. Mvp Damn it. I'm I'm afraid And so it it. It's pretty rare that I think a pitcher deserves it. But let's talk about We're GONNA talk about Gaylard. Perry in nineteen seventy two. Okay okay I like this. This is the deep cut here. I'm vaguely familiar with this. I thought you were going elsewhere. But but go ahead sir. Please educate on these ones. I want to dig a little bit deeper and I know. We're around a little bit of time crunch but On dig a little deeper on the older ones that maybe folks aren't as familiar with so Gaylard Perry obviously a fantastic pitcher For the giants for a lot of his career and then with Indians and the Rangers in The padres and I want to say the mariner pitch for like everybody. So Yeah Yeah it pitch forever pitch from nineteen sixty two till nineteen eighty-three and this dude was like the prototypical old school pitcher which means he pitched every inning In nineteen seventy two He had forty one or four. No I'm a missing it Oh yes forty games started And he had twenty nine complete games. Oh my God now. That wasn't uncommon for him. Injure you in the next season nineteen seventy-three he had forty one game started and twenty nine complete games. He actually between the years one thousand nine hundred seventy two and nineteen seventy six. He had at least twenty one complete games in each of those seasons. Wow here's the thing. Though in one thousand nine hundred ninety two there was a strike shortened season. They didn't awfully hundred sixty games. They played more like one hundred and thirty. Oh my God and I believe he finished fifth on the ballot. That year Yes he won the CY young. And that's great but there was no more valuable player in all of baseball than when Gaylord Perry through twenty nine complete games seriously. A one point nine two era. Wow and that's so dumb. Yeah I mean The one of the cool things about this exercises. I actually got to do research on. Yeah exactly one of the greatest dozens of all times old guys too. Yeah so Probably not I'm he wasn't on your board necessarily but I love US and like I said I don't usually think that pitcher should win. Mvp I think you need to like really go above and beyond. I think cy youngs pitching award. Mvp's hitting war But there are a few exceptions. That rule in this is one of them. That's a great. That's a great call out and I agree that it It sounds like a great exception. There so is that. Oh Yeah. Yeah and the Randy Johnson that you got there so I'm GonNa go with a pitchers I I generally feel the same way about like. Hey I'd really rather we keep the two distinct. I really wish like the Hank. Aaron Award would get the same level of interest as the CY. Then I'd be more open to the MVP going to anybody. 'cause like I understand that it's open anybody so when people vote for them it's not wrong on but it's like. Dang you know they had the cy whether it was all to themselves and then the the MVP. The hitter has had to fight with the pictures and they don't have a prestigious award of their own. That's why I kind of Balk against it. I'm sorry though in two thousand Pedro deserve both and there's just there's just no way he didn't that is one of the single greatest seasons in baseball history and he got the MVP. He got the cy but he deserved the double dip. And we've done the double dip enough that I it. It should have happened. I mean he had a one seventy or era which is a to ninety-one er a plus. Because of the era. It was in now Jason Giambi one with a hell of season. I don't WanNa take away from the fact that he put up an eleven twenty three zero p s and eight wins. A rod had a ten win season. Pedros was wins and that's baseball reference. For which which goes a little bit more of what happened as opposed to theoretical but I bet his war for for us as massive to in fact. I'll look it up real quick in two thousand. Pedro's war was nine point four on our site. So you're talking about just obscene numbers and to that point that kind of gap to me. You know. They weren't going to give a-rod dealt with the same thing that he did. I think the I think the ams were no good in two thousand. That's probably what Why a rod was considered. Oh no they actually. They finished second. They were nine hundred seventy one he probably had a case at it to over. Jami but you know a lot of times. It's even still today. The winner being on a winning team can be a deciding factor which isn't necessarily fair because you're hurting somebody. Their twenty four teammates twenty-five coming into this year once we if we ever start but Yeah I think Pedro deserve the double dip because again that is one of the very best seasons ever at least he. Didn't you know stupidly somehow? Lose the The CY young. He did did that but he deserved the MVP as well in two thousand Seventeen Pedro MVP two thousand. And then I'm GONNA GO GONNA go to nineteen seventy four. Let's take a trip back. When was your gay when Perry one was that? Nineteen seventy two seventy two. Okay so so we both. We both get in the way back machine. What if I told you that? Michael Jackson played. One hundred sixty two games hit thirty six homers best hundred sixteen rabies twenty three steals one hundred six strike walks. Excuse me hundred eight strikeouts by the way which was league-high which is hilarious considering what? Today's League Hizar to eighty to ninety five five forty-six Helluva season great defense at Third Base Ten war. Where do you think that finished in the MVP? I'm guessing with this. You'RE GONNA say finished in fourteenth. Yeah not quite that low but it finished sixth somehow and the guy who won was Steve. Garvey and I've known about this this Garvey. Mvp You know for a while. And I've always been boggled by it and just doing this. Exercise makes me even more boggled slash angry about it. 'cause I'm like but why Dune and you know I imagine in fact I'm looking at right. Now Hang on yeah. 'cause they went one two in sixty so they picked the best guy. Well they didn't even pick the Best Guy. They should've picked Jim Win that Jimmy. Win just going by Jim yet. It is so they put they should've picked toy cannon Jimmy win because he had a one fifty one opium as plus two Garvey's one thirty if they were GONNA pick up if they were just going to pick the best player from that team. That's the way they should have gone. But no went with Steve Garvey for some ungodly reason. Dude who had like literally half the war and wars not everything but when it's that decisive that's disgusting. Ten Ten wins nine point seven to four point four. Come on dude. At least win had seven point seven and he was fifth there was still Lou Brock. Mike Marshall and Johnny Bench. Johnny Bench had seven point eight. So that was that was perfectly fine. It should have been Schmidt win bench or get Morgan in the mix as well like those four should have been up at the top Lou. Brock Steve. Garvey had no business. Garvey had twenty one homers one hundred eleven rabies three twelve. Three forty two four sixty nine in eight eleven. O'c PS dude. What what did he like was it? 'cause he was good looking people mesmerized by his good looks or something that could be it. That's why I'm still on the PODCAST. Okay well they go. I mean that does that does crazy things but yeah that's that's a bit of a travesty. There and I think Schmidt deserve the nineteen seventy four and you know like you said with With regards to Randy Johnson. It's not that Schmidt didn't get his yes three MVP's but that doesn't mean that don't deserve the ones that one is well. You know it's the same thing with trout. I don't know if any of us are either of us are going to draft any trout seasons. But maybe just because. He's gotten his do. Does it mean that? He's not deserving of of the other ones where he was the clear best player Self Schmidt. Pardon me on my phone. They're not turning it off like an idiot Schmidt Nineteen seventy-four. Mvp Big Time Mistake. Their star Steve Garvey. But get out of here okay. So many so many good ones to choose from at this point I think I gotta go with Mark. Maguire not winning the MVP In one thousand nine hundred. Yeah I mean on my list for sure is much as I am. Not necessarily a proponent of this guy had a milestone like we should honor that home run race with Sammy Sosa saved baseball in many ways and he was just better though too he was like why did so so in it yeah led the League in. Ob P Walks OPIATES I mean just A. He was fantastic and he won the home run. Like hello I mean and I guess that I mean that that home run race I mean brought so many fans To baseball or brought people back to baseball because it was so exciting watching him. And so Go back and forth and Maguire pulling away towards the end and eat surprising to me that Maguire like I didn't even realize McGuire didn't win the MVP that year. That's also one. So I think if you ask me blindly there I I probably would've said Maguire not remembering properly. I think I think I'm with you there where I would've just said we have maguire who won who wondering the home or I might. I might have had my antenna up because you're asking somebody like You're asking so maybe not on Maguire but that's my first inclination so yeah I think I'm with you. I just assumed that he won it because of course did he ever get an MP then Oh. I'd or did he just get his rookie of the year. I think he might just have gotten the rookie of the year. It's tough it's tough. Do you think he's Famer I. I'm torn on that and and I'm I'm definitely pro on that too. Pro Pro guys getting into the hall of fame that used steroids. Yeah and it's not because we care about. Pd's thank you. Yes let's be clear about that you and I are and I think you stand with me and if you're gonNA let Bud Selig Walk in then I don't WanNa hear bullshit about keeping certain players. You're not gonNA make clemens bonds. Mcguire wear the entire era and let that clown waltz right in that I mean we we have spit ballers who were allowed to go in. I mean it's Pretty. Well documented the guys in the sixties and seventies used. Fateh means. It'S DIFFERENT BILL. That can change that. You can't go back and change the rules as different dude. Yeah why why is that different? Why is it different? Because it was like they were like pill bottles or like jars of them out like candy dishes or the wired coffee versus the regular coffee like no. It's not different. That's insane and you're a dumpers and if you think that I'm are you crazy. You're crazy but go ahead. Continue Sir Fifth I'm GonNa Take Mike Trout. Two thousand eighteen sees loss to Mookie Betts. I think part of it is fatigue and I think now you see this every once in a while where there's one clear greatest player of in the league and Max Trout. Is that guy and they refuse to give them the. Mvp and owner fatigue noon on. It drives me nuts. Yeah Thirty Nine. Home runs twenty four stolen bases He had the highest in a decade His his OPIE was one point. Eight I mean and you have to remember. He lost time like they're like he yes. He was injured down the stretch and Obviously played into why he did not with him. Up that year is because mookie. Betts finished strong Might Trout did not But he should've already had it in the back like that. It shouldn't have been a question and it was just a fantastic season. That wasn't recognized in the way it should have been. No I'm I'm with you on that. I think that those are. Those are good call outs and deserving of of of being chastised there. Have I got one for you? This is a this is a this is kind of a Slam. Dunk one but like you might. You might be familiar with it in terms of the players in in question here. But when you understand the statistical differences you may vomit so please prepare whether you need a bucket or a bag of some sort Are you familiar with the Bob Welsh season? I am not okay. So Bob Welsh a you know a pitcher of of of of note a seventeen year career of quality quality. Work he He's three thousand nine hundred. Excuse me three thousand ninety. Two innings thirty nine two to three forty seventy. Ira One twenty-seven whip good for a one hundred sixty IRA over. His career had some real standout. Seasons was a dodgers pitcher for most of it and then Oakland for the second half in one thousand nine hundred ninety. He won twenty seven games. Holy Toledo her twenty seven out of thirty five thirty two decisions. You went twenty seven and six out of his thirty-five Starts Ninety five one twenty two whip. You're thinking hey that's pretty good dude to ninety five year. And what are you complaining about? Not as good as Roger Clemens. How the thought in Roger Clemens not win and I know one nine thousand three dude shave a full run off. Are you kidding me? One Ninety Three one day he was twenty one. Sixty still got your fancy little twenty wins. That is a joke dude. That is insane Bro. They had ten more innings for Bob Welsh. Do you want to guess? How many more strikeouts clemens hat I mean? It was a ton more because I had him on eighty two. You gotta be kidding me Dude. That one is so bad. It's unbelievable and again I've been familiar. I always knew that that it wasn't a terribly. Well deserved Cy Because of the twenty seven wins but I think when I first learned about it like war wasn't really a huge thing and and again I want to be clear. War is not everything but when you go from ten point zero or ten point. Four to two point nine. You can't tell me that war doesn't matter at that point like that. That is telling me like the the the metric is good enough that when they're that big of a discrepancy the other player with the higher number is very much cool yearly better by a substantial margin. And if you WANNA go by our war it's eight point two two probably like less than one because he had a terrible fan Let's see nineteen. Yeah one point. Eight one point eight so eight point two to one point eight go buy ours And I've just been using I've been using the baseball reference when because of their award page being a little bit more are tiny to look out with everything but like that's so horrible dude so I'm going clemens. Cy In one thousand nine hundred ninety one of the most egregious wants frankly we? We might've left it on the board too long. If I if I'm being honest. Yeah Yeah No. I should've taken a last round because I just utterly insane But Hey fancy twenty seven and like hey that's cool and even at a to ninety five E R. I said he wasn't bad but my God clements if comments understood the gravity of what he did. You know you never know how much these guys fully grasp their statistical performance but he had to be pissed if he did And then my next pick go another home one. Just say you don't get it. It's another popular one from the eighties. And I'M GONNA take the Alan Trammell season. Eric and there is no way that George Bell desert that that is. The prototypical stereotypical standard homers in RB is over overall production. George Bell had forty seven homers. One hundred thirty four rabies three eight three fifty to sixty five hell of a season. I am not here. Disparage this season but it was nothing compared to what trammelled it but he only went. Twenty eight one. Five twenty one steals three forty three four zero two five fifty one. In of course strong defenses short versus a a mediocre to poor fielder in one of the corners and probably some D. H. In there as well but though I don't know for certain only seven games at DS. So he was out there in left field playing but come on Dude Slam dunk here. You're talking about three three and a half wind difference between these two. This is another one. That's a well known one but I gotta go with it. I gotta go trammell over George Bell there for the nineteen ninety seven. Mvp ooh yeah. That's that's another good one. You're crushing my cue right now. So yeah I That's a bit of a bummer for me so I think I'm going to go old school again. I Wa- Betas these. These are more fun and I'm GonNa go with Let's see I think go with Bert by Levin Not Winning the AL CY. Young in nineteen seventy three. Do Tell so Clearly the highest war he finished seventh tied for Seventh. Only one or no sorry zero first place. Votes one percent share of the votes His nine point seven be war was over three points higher than Jim Palmer. Who won that year Antonio Looking dudes they get stuff for no reason? Yeah which is surprising because he I mean Berga Levin Won Twenty Games that year a hit the magic number. Two fifty two that season in three hundred twenty five innings pitched so I? I mean there are a lot of deserving guys Nolan Ryan that year through three hundred twenty six innings and he never won. He didn't win. I don't think so right. Correct me right yeah. But I'm pretty sure that Nolan never won a cy I think you millet stats and you can really make an argument for him. He's one hundred eighty three strikeouts for just ridiculous Level by Blah Blah. I can't even say Was absolutely dominant that season for Minnesota and he threw twenty-five complete games Like I said nine nine of them were shut outs. I mean he was just untouchable. Jim Palmer was good but not nearly as good as either bligh Levin or Nolan Ryan in that season. So I I. I'm going with Burt Bly. Levin and his nineteen seventy-three seventh-place finish. I like it. I like that Like that education there too. Who Won Jim Palmer? A as being good looking for all right looking at it all the time all right. Then I'm just I'm just GONNA put the dagger in your heart and take Mike Trout. Two thousand twelve logical lots of MVP. I'm not saying Mickey didn't deserve in. Mvp didn't have an MVP quality season winning the triple crown for the first time in God knows how long but I mean Mike. Trout was just better. And that's what it comes down to it. One of. I mean it's hard because I mean he's GonNa end up having so many of these great seasons but thirty home runs ninety three. Ps forty nine stolen bases. And I mean he won the rookie of the year. So you can't really you know. Get Too mad about it but my child deserve to win both rookie year and MVP. That era hands down. Yeah you know as the Tigers and I love that Maggie went back to back. That's the one it's funny because the triple crown years the one that I really say that he he could have lost and I would have had no problem. I think he had a better case in In thirteen when he won even though when you start to factor in defense and go by war that still leans trout but I think that one was much closer. The twelve vote in really should have gone to trout. And if he doesn't win the triple crown gets it but He did so he got. He got that win. But that's a good pick. It was on my board though I am. I am a homer just to a degree but also honest and so I would have I would have gladly taken it if we had left it out there too much longer. They're so good. Pick but guess what make. He's a god so there but he died like come on all right. I'm going to take you back to the eighties and I acknowledge that a lot of this. You know a decent number of these. They don't have a way to factor defense all that well so you know using war and just chopping into people's face after the fact it ought to be a little bit fair about it but it's not like first versus second here. Nineteen eighty-four. Mr Ripkin had already started his magical streak but hundred sixty two games. Da Twenty seven homers eighty six ribs. Three or four three seventy four or five ten obviously picking it at short. Where do you think has one thousand nine hundred four season finished on the MVP charts? Oh I know this one. He finished twenty seven. Twenty seven foster guessing. How Much War. He had Wins Yeah I mean I. I grew up in the Washington. Dc AREA so. I wasn't much of a baseball fan growing up there but Cal ripken was a god. This just gusting dude. That he has not even in contention for this and like again you know he had just won it and he won rookie of the year and eighty-two and BP and eighty-three so maybe that was voted for teaching there. Which again is so stupid. Just because somebody's is great for extended period of time. Surely you can reward that but no I guess not like a reliever want it. Williams says wanted for the Tigers and Dan Cuisine Berry was third. What was the Boehner for? Relievers that year dude. I you could use burt. Bly Levin's season in that year to first cy young one by the way because he went off again in loss to to relievers he finished third to to those same pair there. But the fact that ripken's twenty-seven here and I know that they don't have anything like war to calculate his overall value but come on we one of the old school things we hear. Is You know go. Defense up the middle intangibles and playing every day. What doesn't really can have that. Even old school folks can understand. He has everything and he played every day. He had a great season. I think I'm mostly pissed that he was twenty-seventh but he dan while deserves the reward. The award as well. I'm going to CAL ripken nineteen eighty-four. Mvp absolutely ridiculous that he didn't even he didn't even sniff it. Dude he did not even get in the ballpark. They're very bad all right now this next one. I'm torn between a couple of different things here and you know what I think. I'M GONNA I'M GONNA. I'M GONNA goes all right. I'M GONNA have to crap on reliever again Justin. Why does Mark Davis have a CY young? I don't even know. Mark Davis is. He's the he's the owner of the raiders. Right Mike Davis isn't it? I don't know it's mark okay. Okay well he also has a CY young because he put up ninety two and two thirds of one eighty five one zero five era whip Combo with ninety two strikeouts in one thousand nine hundred ninety eight cool Dude Neat Orel hershiser that year simply had two hundred and fifty six and two thirds of a to thirty one in one eighteen. But you know what he was fifteen and fifteen and that you know he just didn't have the will to win. I guess dude. He just didn't have that will to win now. And he was probably being compared to his season beforehand when he went twenty three and eight and did win the CY. But if you truly look at it. The era was only five ticks higher so wanted that clue you in that that the win loss was maybe due to some support or severe an utter lack thereof by his team as opposed to anything he did. You Know He. He went twenty three and eight the year before the to twenty-six than fifteen fifteen with a two thirty one. Whose fault is that. Who's that on there? Surely that's on oral right. He just didn't do enough. He finished fourth dude. Mike Scott and Greg Maddux Greg Maddux. Very worthy Third Place Finisher there with the cubs got not not a bad second-place finisher but her she should have won this dude at two thirty one for two hundred and fifty six innings. That was an. Nl Best his third straight year leading the NL in In innings it's definitely because of the fifteen and fifteen record which is so stupid so and and to give it to a reliever. I think that that's the most egregious part here. Is who actually want? Because you can go a couple different routes but I'm going to go with Orel hershiser here in nineteen eighty nine the CY young travesty. Yeah that's a good one definitely was both of those. Were on my list so my list is starting to get a little sparse. Oh Yeah Yeah I'm trying to think of where I WANNA go here. I did not think you were going to do as many old school ones as me. But you have held your own in this draft my friend. Thank you thank you. I think I'll go with Ken. Griffey JR junior's one thousand ninety-six losing the MVP. Okay do tell Let's see in nineteen and I've lost my notes apparently Did hit forty nine. Home runs hundred forty. Rbi Six twenty. Eight slug He he he lost one Gonzales But he had had sit six wins higher than him in in war that year. So Yeah I it's weird because Ken Griffey is one of those good-looking players right. Yeah Yeah what's what's the deal there by the way Juan Gonzalez seafood absolute thief. Because I have another season from that year you did ninety eight percent ninety six. I did ninety ninety six. Yay so that was agreed. Just by the way a-rod could've won that year and then in ninety eight. He's got candidates for days that we could go to including a ride again. I'll just I'll throw that out there right now. One Gonzales should have zero. Mvp's dude just stop please. But yeah that's that's a great pick their griffey and again fourth fourth that year. Stop Dude playing elite defense in center field for crying out loud Like Iran was the only guy who you can justify finishing ahead of him. Iran was just right below four point three bloom. All I thought about putting on the list just for this season as well but didn't feel like both but Iraj triple slash that year. Three fifty eight four fourteen six thirty one I mean Iran was an absolute beast in Seattle. How did they finish second? They also have buehner and go off that year. They went down. Yeah they had no pitching. Do know pitching sorry. Mariners fans not not not trying to bring up Some sad stuff but man. Y'All y'all have had some of the greatest talent ever and don't have anything to show for it anyway literally do not have anything to show for it. Absolutely nothing right. I feel like I've taken to many. Mvp's CY youngs but I feel like this one should have gone earlier And that is Ricky Henderson not winning the MVP in Nineteen eighty-five gray gray call out here stole eighty bases that year. Hit Twenty four home runs triple slash of three fourteen. Four Nineteen Five sixteen a hundred and seventy two hits that year. I mean just and finished third behind Don Mattingly and George Brett and like what? What two things did mattingly do? Better I mean. Yeah George. Brett was more deserving than Than Mattingly to mattingly was George. Brett had eight point three B war To mattingly's six point five but both were dwarf comparatively speaking Ricki Henderson's nine point nine. I just Yeah Rick Anderson one of the greatest players of all time and I felt like that one was left around a little bit too long now I agree. It was absolutely on my board so I like where you're like. We're at on that one Ricky actually popped up a couple of different times for me and because he was such a monster. Of course he did. You know how much are stolen base valued and I think it's probably not that much in context of MVP's and it's not fair. You know they they do have value to have plus value. He's turning singles into extra-base. Hits is what he's doing an essentially often turning them into triples because he would steal both bases in the blink of an eye. The dude was an absolute monster at it. So yeah definitely like that and I think that's a good pick. Let's see here. Where do I want to go You know what I. I'll go for cy young as well and I'm going to again. I'm going to pick on a reliever in fact a reliever. I've already crapped on Willie Hernandez your tiger dude. I love you and I like getting you in video game. You Know Like O. T. P. has card sims so well for that season but bro. You're stealing how reliever win. Mvp Cy Young Combo Eckersley did it again. Eight years later. What the Frick Dude. What were they thinking the so stupid? So he had a great season of course and high leverage matters. You can't just go off of the raw totals but you love getting eighty games in a one hundred and forty innings right. He was there doing double double workload of a standard reliever and he put up one ninety two or eight point ninety four. Whip good for five wins out of a relief. That's that's an incredible. Dave Steve Two eighty three era and a one thirteen whip in two hundred sixty seven innings. I'm sorry man like that. One hundred twenty seven. Extra innings of excellent work matters a lot. And where do you think Dave? Steeb finished dead ASS last yen one. Vote Point And eight war. According to eight be war there with this season like what an excellent season. That was just who cares. You didn't do anything. He led baseball in innings. And that's an incredible season and they weren't bad they finished second in the division. So yeah that was the great tiger season and they want the rewards somebody from there. I guess but like that doesn't make any sense that he wasn't the best player. Take the guy who led baseball in innings and plus led the AL and hit rate And just had a dominant season. And that would be Dave Steve. Somebody go nineteen eighty-four. Dave Steve Cy Young. Thanks and then to finish off my draft here. Let's see you know. There's so many a-rod seasons he should have had so many so many MVP's and I don't know if I should go for one of them are just we've talked enough and acknowledge how great he is. Then because it's just like how many did he ended up getting three. You got three and probably deserved. So that's like it's not as agreed in terms of overall pointing out that That somebody was robbed and I understand that but I will say that you know the guys. I'm considering here have gotten their due as well. I'm really I'm really laboring between you know what I'm going to go with another cy young because I like pitching a lot. How the freak did the amazing doc. Gooden debut not win cy young like I don't understand that he did win? Rookie of the year. He was second so it wasn't super agrees but he still was so clearly. Better Than Rick Sutcliffe. Who wanted after coming over via triple eight Justin? He went sixteen in one in one hundred and fifty innings for the cubs and they gave it to them coming over as a trade acquisition. He's the only guy to ever do that when the major award after coming over via train in season. And it's like like that's a cool novelty and he was amazing me wrong but when you're giving an individual League award the guy who threw two hundred and eighteen innings with a better era and virtually the same whip. They go down to the full worth decimal One zero seven three two one. Oh seven eight or third desma. Excuse me good. And has him there by by point? Zero zero five but two hundred eighteen to one hundred and fifty innings. I can't count. What Sutcliffe did in the AL because it doesn't matter because that's not what he's getting the CY young for plus he was crap with Cleveland. Anyway he had five fifteen. Era In ninety four and I wonder if the transformation is part of why he got it as well like look at what he did when he got to the cubs. He was so unbelievable. Now Dude that good season deserved full accolades? He should have gotten cy rookie of the year. And you know what he could have gotten. Mvp BUT NOT REALLY RYAN. Sandberg was amazing and I think he was well deserving there so I don't have. I don't have a beef with that but Dwight gooden in nineteen eighty-four cy young to finish up draft and I ended up going one two three four five six is I went more size than than MVP's yeah. I think I'm going to have to finish with a side young as well. The question is which one of my remaining six do. I want to put on the list which I think I'm GonNa go more recent I haven't been pandering to the vote by Maurice Impacts is the better way to get the vote who knows. I think this is one of those ones. It does really matters on draft. Yeah educational too. But I'M GONNA go with Zad grank in two thousand fifteen like this because this was an amazing race. Go ahead and I think if Clayton Kershaw hadn't been so good that year in Kershaw finisher but I think they split the vote being on the same team and I think grantee would have won Jake Arrieta won the award that year But he had a higher be war had lower. Dra it. Just I know. He's not a strikeout pitcher that area was and that's you know that obviously played into it but I just think he was a better overall picture that year and and it's not that it's not that Arrietta wasn't undeserving winner. Oh No I think it is case. It's just a it's deserving versus more deserving specifically in this case and you got to think that some voters just all the twenty game winner in Arrietta and went. Well he deserves to win and the disgusting second-half Yeah Brain. Yeah Areo Great. Pitcher definitely deserved to win that award. But I felt like Zach. Rank was a bit more deserving of winning the two thousand fifteen cy young. Yeah no I I like where your head's at their again that's one that's not necessarily An egregious winner so much as it is this guy this guy lost though in a really really really tough battle and you could definitely seen it. Go the other way. I mentioned that I had like three Rod Seasons. Ninety two thousand two thousand two that were on here. I'm almost did the Pedro Double Dip and said his ninety nine should have won the MVP. As well I put Pedro's two thousand three on their. He's Tony Gwynn. Did you have any Tony? Gwynn on his nineteen eighty-seven and this is definitely something like you know they're not gonNa vote for the guy who had seven homers with fifty four rabies. But he went three seventy four forty seven five eleven and it was a goal of glover silver slugger. I know gloves aren't perfect back then. Especially but that was the Andre Dawson season where it was such a hole it was just like the George Bell thing and they wanted in the same year. It was homers and RBIS. He went forty nine one thirty. He had a good season but Tony Gwynn was better. But he didn't do it in the flashy categories so he finished eighth and I mean there are so many guys that deserved it. Overdose including rains strawberry Probably Jack Clark Ozzie. Smith but flashy categories. So at Mike Schmidt again you know Mike Schmidt is such a monster dude doing the research for this one. I learned just even further. How great he was two thousand seven. Nl MVP had multiple candidates. Who I think deserved it more. I believe that was Jimmy rollins winning it and I like it and he was good but man. He did not deserve that whole right. Chase utley deserved it. More chipper Jones Probably to whiskey like that was a tough win for rollins there you know he won it but I had pools and rights specifically on my board clements. Two thousand five side trout two thousand thirteen. Mvp and Boggs nineteen thousand nine. Mvp are the highlights of my remainder. And then I have some deeper cuts that I I wasn't really considering drafting. Yeah I had Erodes two thousand. Mvp Wilbur Woods to our nineteen seventy-one Cy Young Or not winning Cy. Young then Randy Johnson One thousand nine hundred in the CY. You mentioned Roger Clemens in two thousand five not winning Tom. Seaver nineteen seventy-one Pedro in in two thousand and three and then Kevin Brown not winning the CY young in nineteen ninety eight when he went. Eighteen Games He's Through two hundred fifty seven innings with two hundred fifty seven strikeouts at two thirty eight yard chase for my honourable. Mentions I dig it. This was a fun one. I really enjoyed doing this. You know it's it's fun to go back and look and again you know stuff like war a lot and that wasn't obviously available but I don't think you needed war to see how because I knew some of these were agreed before was ever created. I grew up hearing. About how stupid it was that Trammell didn't get the eighty-seven MPP. And I can look at. The the ripken want him just. Like why like what? What did he not do? Well enough for you guys that That you didn't want to vote for him so I I I don't know but this was an enjoyable one We'll be back Thursday doing our. Nfl breakouts from every team. Just out of nowhere brand it guts that we did to to Be The companion to their. Al From the last episode so Justin have a great week. We'll talk to you in a couple of days.

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Episode 11:  Auction News and Funny Commentary with Andrew Park

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Episode 11: Auction News and Funny Commentary with Andrew Park

"Welcome to the sale ring upon cast dedicated to real estate brokers agents and America's top option years that keep them markets moving. Join your host, Sean and Trina as they talk with most successful, realtors marketing, and technology experts infrasturctures and influencers these show is still voted to own industry professionals looking to up their game and stay up to date. Welcome to the sale rain. Welcome to this episode of the sale ring podcast. We got a fun win for you today. We're going to do a little bit of news auction news. Right trainer. He has. It's going to be good news. We got a good friend. Mr. Andrew park in Studio B with us. That's what we have seen. The studio today is Studio B thanks so much for having me fissile location. And that's where we're at very professional in here. It is. It is. Here this plays right here. We're located high atop of sycamore, no park. Have you ever Google this location one time that is where we're at? It's Larry's we're sitting smack dab on the east edge sycamore, no park. I know cemetery. Somehow, it may be we'll see how this show good park round like sycamore knoll cemetery. You wouldn't take your kids? That's for sure. Sounds like a tree. I would never say my kids there. If you don't behave we're going to. Oh. I knew you know, what we searched for some action news. And here's what we found on Mr. Google out there today, we're going to go to Mesa Arizona, the police kinda man they say was attempting to still a twenty thousand dollar painting during an auction police reported on January twenty six they caught Thirty-three-year-old Derek Michael began as he was leaving an auction with a stolen painting. The gay told the auction workers that the painting was of his grandfather at belong to the family, and he's taken it. He grabbed the painting and ran toward the door. Unfortunately, the police for faster than him. They caught him and he is now being charged with and criminal trespassing. However, the painting sold at auction for twenty thousand dollars. So I like how you said, unfortunately, the police were there and able to catch him you did you were rooting for that. If it's his grandfather's painting really Grandpa's painting like he authorized that. Like in Ida actually didn't want. She said that we could auction this off. But I want it. How do you suppose? His painting was do you think it was like a postcard size or like you had to be painting? Like, you know, at least, I don't even know dimensions of paintings. Really it had to be big and small medium March for large. Right. You had to be comically hilarious grown running painting. China run. I got the painting and start to car I'm going to start using that my everyday life. This is my grandfather's. Mine of this pin right here. Charter was granted. It's my right. It's a picture of a girl in the field with like sheep in the background. That's my grandfather. I'm taking the girl or the sheep. Yes. Cancer is crazy Mesa. Arizona if you're out there, and you have a picture your grandfather could possibly be worth twenty thousand dollars. Make sure that you're committed to selling that thing before you mission it with you auction house. They do not take friendly to trying to steal that during the auction. So hold on as an auctioneer, Sean. If this happened at one of your options. What do good question if police were just standing there waiting for him? Obviously there is some kind of something going on there. But hopefully, the police are going to be there on veasley waiting for him. Well, hopefully, I mean, I'm not is not going to be just cop standing outside. Right. I'm not as physically fit as you may believe for running somebody down down, the street course, carrying a large painting. I may be able to catch up with him. Given enough time. So the police were just add the auction was more of an estate auction with. I mean, obviously the painting sold for. Equivalent of all of the information that we have the whole story. We get nothing more. We don't get paintings. As his grandpa. We don't get. Why would the cops were there in the first place? It was absolutely limited on information painting sewing for twenty thousand dollars chances are this was a higher end art auction. Unfortunately, he didn't get the picture. Waiting on that one the whole I've been six months Joe. Joe? Now, Mesa Zona that that guy did not get the picture of what he believed to be his grandfather. Because this another interesting when British auction house Christie's is going to be selling the heart of space either. One of you ever heard of that before no heard of the heart of the ocean from Titanic James Cameron is that it's cousins. Apparently. So or just it was such a great name that they had to keep it. I don't know. It is not the heart of the ocean. Suffered the heart of space that is what has been titled a three hundred twenty million year old meteorite shaped like a heart is going up for auction February sixth and it's ending on February fourteenth which by coincidence. His Valentine's Day, sometimes chocolates are just not enough. Gotta buy a million dollar meteorite. We'll see what that's valued at here in a minute. According to Christie's, here's a little bit of information about meteorites, it originates from the biggest meteorite shower the past several thousand years, it's estimated at three hundred twenty million years old and meteorite was part of a giant iron mass which detached from its parent body in the asteroid belt floated through space and hit the earth in February of nineteen forty seven at crashed into the mountains of Siberia. The explosion destroyed. Chimneys shattered windows pulled trees from the ground. It even said one hundred and eighty miles away. People could report hearing the sonic booms and filling the trimmers from that meteorite back and forty seven. They're estimating that that meteorite could bring between three hundred thousand and five hundred thousand dollars at auction. It is from New York Makovich collection of meteorites. You said it shattered him knees in windows in Siberia, and cyber area didn't even know they head chimneys window. I didn't know there is a population in Siberia to have those items myself. So this was in the mountains. Incredible. So probably the sturdiest chimneys ever made and best windows for dogging double pane. Great insult Asians. We've got this sub urea had. They would ahead. Anderson windows. Exactly, I don't think those would shatter pretty rugged meteorite proof. That's incredible though. The odds of that happening. And then of course, being a heart is just insane. But I mean, this is going gonna buy that. Would you buy? No, no, I wanna buy the heart of the ocean. The cool looking one I wanna buy either one you know, what I would do. I would take a Kingsford Briquet and just file it down to a heart and say I bought it for you nailed it carbon here. It is right. It's crushing to the mountains. Don't get that close to the fireplace. Might be flammable. Your heart's gonna burn up. Yeah. No, the heart of what was call. They call the heart of space art space, the worst rock band name ever to be confused with the base. This is the third ace of base reference. You've had today. Sean mildly impressed in mildly weirded out by the ace of base. Look it up to a town near you just found out about the look. Twenty years old fish shows, not about making fun of Sean. It's about names, it's about news and other news. And in other news, David Gilmour, anybody David Gilmour's was he the Qataris for Pink Floyd? Oh, Andrew gets a golden cookie shoots. He scores. He's shoots. He scores. David Gilmour guitarist singer and songwriter, a Pink Floyd is going to be selling one hundred and twenty of his guitars, and he is a master tremendous guitar collection over the years one hundred percent of the sales. Proceeds are going to charitable cause. That's awesome. Absolutely dave's. Good, man. He's estimates. Ranged from three hundred dollars all the way up to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars on each of the items one of them. That's the most sought after at nineteen sixty nine Stratocaster that is estimated to be between one hundred to one hundred and fifty thousand dollars dad is one of the most highly sought after guitars that he owns. The used it whenever they produced a lot of the famous songs back in the day. It is just kind of been one of his personal kind of choices whenever he's playing in concerts and stuff. So it's that will be interesting. So have you buy one of the guitar when you buy are you gonna play that guitar, or are you gonna hang on wall wall or something this you'll actually find a pretty extensive article out about this auction? It's getting a lot of PR right now. And David believes that they will those are very personal to prominent musicians whenever they get an instrument like that they actually kinda liked to get the feel of it in the sound and create with it, and he believes people will buy these. And if they're true musicians, they'll play them. Oh, yeah. Instead of just store them all the way in in a museum or keeping them. Now. There are some older ones out there. This is a sixty-nine obviously, he's been heavily used. You know, I'm sure it's been restrung over the years and kept up. He also has a nineteen fifty four white Fender Stratocaster serial number one there. Estimating. Now, if the same price one hundred one hundred fifty thousand dollars, he's got an incredibly rare Gretch white penguin, sixty one thirty four from his private collection that they're also estimating in that same price range, some of the others that are notables in nineteen fifty seven Fender Stratocaster, gold plated hardware, sixty thousand and ninety thousand dollars. A candy apple red nineteen Eighty-four Stratocaster fifty seven be that could fetch his highest twenty five thousand dollars. There's quite a few others. Actually, there's quite a few other guitars, one of the things that I read this article. It was interesting as he got a lot of influence out of people that for Pink Floyd musicians that you wouldn't maybe think of you know, right out of the gate would influence leading songwriter and guitarist, but the ever Lee brothers were Bob Dylan, those guys gave him a lot of musical influence, and they really heavy acoustic guitar players so examples of those that he's collected over the years would be like a sixty. Nine thirty thirty five Martin A Gibson j two hundred celebrity and very unique nineteen Seventy-eight. Tony's the madness custom acoustic bass guitar. Those are all going up for auction over one hundred twenty guitars hundred percent of the proceeds donated charity doing what Saturday his planning to get actually cheer at t's. So I think he's going to think he's gone. I think he's going to spread the love a little bit on the ever heard of a bass acoustic guitar before bass acoustic bass acoustic guitar bass guitar that is interesting very inter-. That's got a sound really weird. But really cool at the same time to read a story like that. We're Sean type notes wrong. No, I I think got gotta write all the serial numbers on guitars. I believe you attention to details. My middle name. On attention to detail. Carol. Google that we'll get some business cards brand. Ever dream of owning their country estate historic home more lakefront property. Log onto United country dot com. Would you like to retire to a home built on breathtaking acreage in the mountains? United country dot com ever dream of your own private hunting, preserve United country dot com. Over thirty thousand farm recreational lifestyle properties are just a click away helping people find their American dream for over ninety years. We will help you. Find yours. Log on now to United country dot com and find your freedom. Thinking of selling a real estate investment, but worried about the taxes you'll have to pay property owners. 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What about Randy Johnson eighty? But in Randy Johnson, lizard, right? That's right. He was mine all about Randy all famous. This yet can start turning my notes the other way. So she quits reading over my shoulder. Hall of fame pitcher Randy Johnson recently sold his home in paradise valley, which is just outside of Phoenix Arizona paradise valley mansion was on the market originally for twenty five million dollars. It recently sold at auction for seven point three million. Wow. How big was this place? What tell me more is a big guy that tall guy. So I'm sure it had tall ceiling. Okay. So seven and a half million dollar. Ceilings nickname was a says in this article the big unit the beginning. So the big units letting go of the biggest state for seven point three million. That's the lead offer their leadoff. Randy johnson. They say, so I'm reading here don't feel bad. If you see a twenty five million dollar price tag on the original market value and it sold at auction for seven point three million. Don't feel bad for Arizona Diamondbacks legend who earn more than one hundred and seventy five million dollars during his twenty two year major league career. She's he'll be okay. It'll be just fine. He's going to be okay. Randy has he's managed way. Million behind that. Something else. He's got so many sock drawer. He's gonna make it. It'll be fine. Really? Funny, accounting, endorsements guys. He's just what's the most memorable thing of Randy Johnson that you can think of as as be that fast ball through that hit them bird hit the bird. I saw that. I saw and I saw. Bird explosion on the baseball field. There was not one feather left on that bird after it. It was the most cartoonish real thing I've ever seen in my life. And you'll never forget it that video has been played over and over and over. It's gotta be one of the most memorable of you know, of his career just because of what's the chances. What are the chances of that wanna fastball with bird intercepts at thing midfield, and then immediately regrets it? I mean imagine leaving that way, you know, you see Randy Johnson you're excited. You're any Johnson all sudden lights are out. And what happened? This is why they started putting lids on beers and stadiums birds were getting into and then birds up there on the edge of the stadium. Like guys watch going to catch that ball out of mid air. He was trying to impress the girl pigeon. That's exactly what I catch. A rainy Johnson. No. You can't I got I got it's in the nest. Yeah. The puns are coming on instant regret. Do have specs on this house. They're just at the end of your notes here. Seven bedroom. Twelve bath tennis court home theater, fitness center pool and guest house twelve bath. That's ridiculous bathrooms. He all and the big one, right? How big's this place? Get have more bathrooms. A couple more. Can give them into the other. Oh. That's mazing. What else we got? We got. Oh. Bison auction confused with bison different. Yeah. Buffalo bison Maecenas mices Niessen Giessen. Bison auction held Saturday at the land between the lakes not the land in the lake around the lake the land between the lakes that's in Kentucky. Proxima forty hit. A bison will be auctioned off Saturday February second at the land between the lakes, elk and bison prairie chorale that areas actually called land between the lakes Kentucky. That's what you're looking for. If you want to search this on the internet and find the auction. Bitter registration begins at eight AM the auction starts at ninety and they're going to sell forty head and it's ranging anywhere from bulls to mature bulls. Young bulls mixture of cows and heifers and just a mixed bag of about seventeen small Cavs. This is to control the auction is used to help maintain the size and the health of the heard in the prairie their thinning out the heard their thinning the herd. Wow. So whole lot of deals on some great Buffalo's coming up and jerky going great. Yeah. Had done Kentucky. Maybe stop off owns. Oh, maybe Paducah who knows? But all in all I was used by those places. Those places are great. You never been Kentucky lovely people there. A lot of great songs written about that town. Have right? Well. How do you her mind? About one. Go to Paducah was in Paducah lovely country. Okay. And angels. And soon to be buffalo state, vice and safe bison stakes policies stakes. You gotta watch trainers. She tried to convince me the other day that the world's largest rocking chair was in a different town than it actually is in. It was formerly in town. I thought it was in. I was to speed Cuba, Missouri was where formerly was and it is actually in somewhere else in I'll illiteracy Illinois. I listen I'll little town. Big things. Did they move the chair? I bill. Bigger. That's. In my life. Listen, this town is full of things big things things world's biggest lake the world's biggest puzzle. Also, that's going. Yeah. I. Is what happens? So some mayor got elected and said, we're gonna make the biggest everything. Yes. Yes. They have a goal of t the world's biggest Gulf tee like getting lazy now case. Into illinois. I'm gonna tell you it's worth the trip around every corner, the world's largest wind chimes, the world's largest rocking chair the times work the good question. That would hurt you can ring them the world's largest mailbox pencil ruler golf tee. You name it. They've got it. See like half of those those can be very interchangeable the world's biggest pencil in golfed -i is just like a brush stroke of black at the tip of it away from being one or the other. Yeah. I mean, they're just they're just making big long strands of wood Andrew pencil. They're not paintings. It's it's actually. Thanks structure, pencil haptic Yetlis, you could slap a coda pain on the end of the Gulf TSA. Yup. That's the pencil and half. The people would be the giant pencil. You're saying they looked like the getting game. Give me the world's biggest toilet of. They have a again. Under the straight and narrow would piece of something. I mean, come on. Let's see you think they've temple ties their whole town and just made it huge. I think they have. I think it's it's obviously a gimmick, you know, it so everything just needs to go back to Cuba, Missouri. Well, let me ask you say, you see it knowing what you know. Now, would you make that trip though to see that many of the world's largest things? I would not make it my final destination. I would I would it would take it on the it's right off of the world's largest gas station there. I might stop for gas. If you wanted to. Things that were around the gestation and then get back on the highway cool and gas station had fourteen bathrooms in it Johnson. Go with. Oh with. Let's talk about another auction coming up from Leland's Leland's Leland's is a kind of Christie's other Leland sells a lot of really neat stuff. Just a lot of kind of rarities or hard to find items. L E A N D S Leland's dot com. They got a sports memorabilia auction coming up. Jersey worn by Lynn Swann approaches twenty thousand dollars with the auction deadline. I also see jersey in here with beddis on it members, your own better, Stu to Pittsburgh greats. That's to Pittsburgh grades right there. Nineteen eighty Lynn Swann jersey has gotten a high bid of nineteen thousand four hundred eighty eight dollars in the auctions. Not quite over yet. So you can still get into the afternoon, Andrew. Oh, yeah. I got twenty grand plan around for team that I don't root for running on jersey. Got it. Absolutely. Dr sucked. From Randy give it up sock. Monkey? Gimme that money. Another popular item in the auction is a two thousand game worn jersey hall of fame running back Jerome Bettis the latest bit on that was five thousand seven hundred and seven dollars fifty seven hundred dollars also lady on bail scored his first touchdown and receive a signature bit of five thousand that's a jersey from lady on bail five thousand dollars third is that one will kind of I think depending on where he goes that price could jump up because he's beginning became kind of infamous lately with all the talks him, you know, sitting out entire season for good measure, he yeah, he wanted us or I don't money they were going to give it to him. And you know, I think that jersey it might be him selling the jersey, I think because he missed out on a whole year's worth of paychecks. He's like he's gonna get paid some time to sell this guy hate to do it. But I'm going to sell the shirt off my back. Yeah. You know, what times do get hard? You gotta make it right? Gotta make it. Right. I tip my head to a person that would do that. Here's one that. I always thought Hines ward was a pretty cool guy. Whenever I listened to speak and player. He's got a jersey in their nineteen hundred and two dollars. I mean, these are all these are great prices for jerseys thirty five hundred dollars jersey, go for normally though in local auctions local sports memorabilia auctions two hundred eight hundred dollars. Maybe a thousand would be a great rice hundred dollars as crazy for jersey. Absolutely absolutely ineffective. Lynn swann. I mean, he's he's a prince of a guy, anyways, he's got almost twenty thousand dollars. You're not just buying jersey. It's accolades to a guy that just had a tremendous career, and he's a gentleman and a scholar off the field in retirement because you don't always see that in sports. No, not players when they leave the industry out there. Sometimes or even when they're playing diplomacies not always present with everybody. So I think he's getting rewarded for that too. Absolutely. I think that kind of wraps it up his. Yeah. That's a lot auction. News auction news. We're going to do this again because it was fun. I think. Around here. Maybe we'll make him are featured guests every time we do news that idea at all auction news with Andrew park, if you could promise me exploding birds licensed aches IBS, and I b s in twelve bathrooms per episode sign me up exclusive contract come on up to Studio B every studio. Hi, sycamore wasn't knoll park. Down to a timeframe right back. Never you want so often dreams like come on up every week. We'll do this may not happen. Every week. I meant just whenever you feel like it. Come by. Absolutely Andrew, thanks for being in the studio on behalf a train in myself. We look forward to seeing you next time inside the sale ring. 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Cybersecurity Month. Securing the Shadows of IT.

Go Beyond Disruption

20:34 min | Last month

Cybersecurity Month. Securing the Shadows of IT.

"Hello, I'm Casey Johnson October cyber security awareness month. So we are bringing you a three-part series on some of the most disruptive Solutions and risks associated with living in a judge the world today this first episode securing the shadows of it. We will dive into the increased risks of Shadow it with the new abundance of remote work teams. Welcome to the go beyond disruption podcast brought to you by the Association of international certified professional accountants the unified voice of the aicpa and Sima off. I'm Casey Johnson strategic advisor at the business and technology are of the aicpa and on based out of the New York City headquarters every week. We share insights from inside the the accounting and finance profession that help you stay ahead of the curve, whatever business you're in you can find links and more information in the show notes for this episode or by going to go beyond disruption in this episode securing the shadows of it. We'll be talking about the risks Associated and Shadow it with subject matter expert and my dear friend Randy Johnson off will answer questions. Like what is Shadow it? How do we identify our risks? And how do we mitigate those risks? And with that? I'm going to introduce you to our game. Randy Johnston the founder and CEO of nmgi, a leading technology Services organization that specializes in the accounting profession in this episode will be talking with Randy about Shadow 15 The increased risks associated with the decentralized and remote workforces that have become a new business normal and best practices to minimize potential threats. That's why we've called the episode securing the shadows of i t Randy is a veteran technologist with over thirty seven years experience in guiding Banks, accounting firms and businesses to select the best technology tools for their organization as well as managing securing and optimizing their systems. He is recognized as one of the top twenty-five thought leaders in accounting technology and is regularly featured in accounting. Today's top 100. Most influential people. Welcome Randy today Casey and a good day to all the listeners today such a pleasure spend some time with you. So Randy, I'm here in Southern, California. His you know, are you joining us from home in Hutchinson today? I am home in Hutchinson and we have not gotten back on on the road with the covid-19 pandemic came home March eleventh, and I'm now holding the record of the longest time home since the 1970s. Well, it looks good on you. So I think it's working. Maybe we need to change something posts need to make it would be nice. But you know, I I miss being face-to-face with so many people and getting to have direct conversations, but I have to tell you on the other hand. It's also been very insightful to have the time to do research and update things and learn new things along the way so it's been good. Okay. So what are you working on right now? And and how how does it say connect with the accounting and finance profession? Well, this one's actually a pretty big one because earlier in the year. I did a practice management overview and I just completed and put in the can off. A financial reporting and advisory Services overview. So it has been marvelous to go through and discover something on the order of eighty products in which I was able to analyze the products figure out how we could use those in invert advisory Services wage practices and see the benefits of projecting cash flows and all those type of things. So that that kind of goes back to my old accounting software roads that you know me from as well off. Wow any products so I I mean and not necessarily for this podcast, but I am interested to learn about any kind of new categories you see on the horizon as maybe we look to 2021 off to come back and pick your brain for that one, you know, that will be a fun one to do because you know in my case I would learn so much and that's the reason I took the project on it was like, you know, I know these products page. Well, but it's time to read this them and see what's changed and it was really another moment. Normally you are on the road so much so plug us into you know the world today. What does your nine-to-five look like? What sectors and client types. Are you really focusing on and engaging with without all of your face to face at the many different conferences that you typically speaking. Throughout the year? Yeah. Well, thanks for asking about that and it turns out 9 to 5 would be nice but you know today started at 1:15 a.m. And I do have off colds that or video meetings might be a way to think about that that around the world because doing a little bit more outside the United States so dealing with you know people in India and Dubai and London along the way and sometimes I'm not finishing up until later in the day with you know, Honolulu or maybe off. Australian so there's been a few more of those types of calls, but you know the typical day though, if it's really a normal day is I do get roll out at home. That's a pleasure off and just catch up on a little email and then try to have a call scheduled throughout the day a lot more virtual Consulting has been going on. So when I'm either product design or analyzing a CPA firm for potential flaws or potential strategic choices, we're doing a lot of video meetings and yes Zoom exhaustion is a real thing. So I found for me that when I'm on video calls, it actually takes far more intensity than it does speaking publicly or being face to face in a meeting but it's switched the focus and look at why we've joined this podcast considering the new reality that most organizations have some if not all of their staff remote help our audience understand wage. What is Shadow it? Yeah, well, how do i t is where I T operations are done by individuals outside of the control by T. And this year. I've actually focused more than I have in Prior years on it governance and data governance and and some of the internal controls and I'm frankly worried about the quality of security and service that's available on our home networks. But Shadow, it can be done by individuals or can be done by people that are outside of your it team. They may not work at the same level of standards that professionals do but frankly they got jobs to get done and they just have to step up and argh sometimes do it on their own or they're intentionally doing it outside of the organizational structure. And I think that that's probably one of the biggest risk because yeah, the the internal it teams don't know that it's even going on is your nose epay.com being the business and technology remedy. I see PA we are acutely aware of the tech ramifications on firms. And one thing we have been investing in over the past ten plus years is empowering businesses for the digital age, but many firms who maybe had it on their timeline and on their product, you know roadmap, they it just wasn't a top priority and they weren't necessarily as prepared. So they were thrust this year into cloud and remote systems. How prevalent is Shadow it within organizations today in our current environment life weren't necessarily prepared and is you know, bring your own device, especially now with everyone working from home compounding that issue. Yeah, you know being wage The gain popularity as much as ten years ago probably because of the onset of smartphones and the iPads and so forth and there was a move towards. Well you pick what you want and we'll just support it but the costs actually wound up being increased instead of decreased which was one of the you know, initial desires on that, I would say that the prevalence of Shadow. It is radically greater than it was at the start of the pandemic. And remains so he even today as long as we're speaking the issue here frankly is people still have work to do many organizations are still stay at home my own MGI organization went out on March 19th. We're still stay at home and we had never been a remote Workforce prior to that time. So most organizations and I would and I think that's a m. Urinalysis, most organizations weren't ready to go to stay at home. They didn't have the appropriate voice support. They didn't have their appropriate remote meeting support didn't have the right applications in many cases. They didn't have the right Security in their homes. They didn't have the right bandwidth many people had to buy extra monitors and extra box cameras that they didn't have or keyboards. They didn't have the right chairs. I mean, it was almost like a fiasco of our organization of energy. I we were fortunate though off or we had good technical people to start with we were thoughtful and figured that this was coming but literally said look, we're cold in the stay-at-home order for organization. We did that at 3 Thursday on a in an afternoon and by 4:45. Everybody else was everybody was at home set up and working and we had the move voice over IP handsets, which they didn't have a dog. And large monitors if they cared to take them and so forth on the other hand, you know, a lot of let's say Auditors have worked remotely on laptops for some time. They were pretty much used to that off. But if you take a tax practitioner or somebody who was used to coming the office, they weren't really used to working at home. They didn't have the right spaces. So so not the right Hardware not the right software not the right space off. It was wildly disruptive and it took the better part of 60 to 90 days for a lot of organizations to settle down further. It got worse with ranch where which will talk about a little later. I suspect absolutely and it does not surprise me that you were ahead of the curve on this would hopefully many of your clients took notes and and responded and were a job. So how do you identify a breach of corporate it policy and that somebody a team member has a new system or an application that is you off. Rising for company and or client data, well, I do professionals and have tools that allow applications and data monitoring to occur Remote Management tools might be an example there, but there can also be security policies in place to do that and security software. So typically on a breach of i t policy, you can set rules that notify those of one that we've recommended for a good number of years already Casey is the DLP capability wage see many of our listeners have Office 365 now called Microsoft 365 and the DLP or data loss prevention capability has been a change and SharePoint in OneDrive for some time so you can actually see when the files are being copied either maliciously or intentionally and there's also other key off. Texans for example you may have a policy that prohibits transferring a credit cards or social security numbers or other type of confidential information via email and you can set policies to block that we do recommend that firms turn on their DLP and that they turn on mobile device management MDM most cases many firms owned these products, but they just haven't been enabled or turned on that's a fantastic take away. So I enable your DLP data loss prevention protocols so that you have that kind of tracking and I'm assuming that those kind of log reports would also identify who it not just what happened but who made the action that's exactly right? It does identify the who the time and all of those type of wage Things and you can make the monitoring capability while call it silent where perhaps a computer administrators or you know, governments internal control people are notified in those actions, or you can make them a little more visible and say Hey, you know user you're violating this policy. So it really is a a reminder that they shouldn't be doing types of actions and knowing that this is arto that October cybersecurity month. What do you foresee as the next big Trend in cyber security protection? What should we be looking at for the next one to three years as being the next big disruptor first. I'll just bring this answer by saying the Bad actors are getting better quicker than the good actors can defend against things and we know that the attack rate throughout the covid-19 demek. Has been reported to be anywhere from 30% up to suck. 100% greater and I don't mind disclosing to you that this week. I think I've dealt with five breaches alone on non clients that systems are compromised. What I believe will happen Casey is the tools that we deploy the software tools to protect us will be improved and more broadly spread and I don't think it would be really an individual action that takes care of it. But the software tools themselves. Some of these tools are smart enough that they're getting a large pattern recognition from Ai and machine learning. And in other cases, they're enabling of things that we're inside the systems to be exposed a little bit more. So I think it would be more like your antivirus, you know, you probably don't think about the anti virus that you've got running on your personal computer or for sure. You aren't thinking about the anti virus that runs on the servers of the Fog. Walls any of those places cuz it's kind of automagic. I think we'll have software that helps with the security that's kind of an auto magic and it will be in the office most likely the MDM or mobile device management software and that MDM software will control our phones and our tablets and our computers and what not only take care of a lot of security settings, but will also protect us from some of the bad actor actions and you're totally right Randy. The Bad actors are getting better and more sophisticated and they never stopped. You know, we we've got a stay just as alert and ahead. But the last thing I think about is my security software on my computer. I trust that I'm doing what it's doing when I pay my fee and run updates as necessary. So for anyone who'd like to find out more about this topic in general and about your work in particular, what are some resources that you dead? It will first we have continuing professional education on sale sites maintained by Mike eight organization. And so both related sites like CPA firm Tech might be a good place to start. We do have security sections in that area further for a variety of the public patients in the profession the journal becomes the accounting today accounting web CPA practice advisor. I continue to write in those areas as well. So there are web page resources and then our articles about this we try to keep things fairly simple on that of further of we've we've recorded multiple sessions on security with different cuts things like wage working at home The New Normal trying to talk about the security that's needed there. But also other types of things like data loss prevention like we've talked about earlier or 4 a.m. Matter if you had a breach creating an incident response plan, so there's a number of different moving Parts here. Now, I will warn you and the listeners as well that when you are dealing with security, there's lots of levels of security action and proactivity that you can take, you know, I tend to keep things a little more simple because frankly we could swap back pretty quickly with complex technical arguments. You do have to be equipped to ask enough the right questions that you can be a little more assured that off security people are really taking care of your setups. And so these are really intended to be management guidance for security. Not it guidance. That's another whole, you know can of worms we could open but there are a number of security training sessions out there for those types of things. Well, thank you, Randy. We greatly appreciate. Yep. Time today and helping our listeners to go beyond disruption. There's plenty more to explore about cyber-security. 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I-5 Series Game 1 Postgame Show

Giants Splash

09:06 min | 6 months ago

I-5 Series Game 1 Postgame Show

"Hello and welcome to the interstate. Five World Series Post Game. Show on Henry Showman. Well gave one of this. Golden Great Series proved once again that in the postseason. Good pitching doesn't always beat good hitting the northern California team jumped on Don Drysdale for five runs in the first inning in route to eleven. Nothing lead after three and eleven six victory. You wouldn't expect score like that in a game hitting Don Drysdale for the southern Californians and Randy Johnson for northern Californians on the mound but seal stadium. San Francisco played really small. The teams combined for seven homers including a pair of shots in the first inning by Barry Bonds and Joe Morgan. The first of two for bonds in the Game Ricky Henderson hit a three run homer as well for northern California while Jackie Robinson Duke. Snider and Robin. Yount all went deep for the so cal's in all the nor pounded Drysdale and Garrett Cole for five runs a Peach. The big unit was not particularly sharp allowing five runs in eight innings. But he had a lot of room to play with Dennis. Eckersley pitched the ninth to finish. That always important game. One we now bring in northern California manager Bruce Jenkins and Bruce this game to use one of your favorite words was Nettie while Henry any time you open with a win a seal stadium. You have to feel like you're having a good day. It was a beautiful day at Seals stadium a lot of nostalgia in the air. I love how worked out when we ride away. Ricki Henderson's on Bass Barry Bonds homers he homers again and then Ricky Ricky homers and Morgan homers. It was it was. I hate the word. Surreal because everybody says it in every sentence but it was a little bit strange to West Andres. They'll get lit up like that and Garrett Cole as well so it was just it was so delightful Henry that because they were. We were at seals stadium. And we're thinking back to the past. I was able to get Joe Cronin Tony Area Harryhelmet and left. Do in the game and different. These are all San Francisco legends. Yeah absolutely I mean Left Yo duels from Bayview High School. Harry Heilmann sacred. Heart's so is Joe Cronin and Tony. Lozari is Galileo I mean. We're Talking Way San Francisco and you know the pope in the postseason. We know it's it's not like the regular season at all nine. Nine hundred sixty four don drysdale gave up fifteen homers in over three hundred innings and He was just beaten around and You know what happens sometimes when you have a great pitcher who gets a huge lead? They lead up a little bit and That that seems to have happened a little bit with Randy Johnson With an eleven nothing lead yet room to play with and gave up five runs. And you know a couple of guys who played in in an old ballpark in Brooklyn are took him deep as well but You know it. I mean the lead was big enough that Dan. You're really neat. Dennis Eckersley in the ninth inning with that Big Leap. But you went to him anyway. Well I I wanted to make sure I won this game. I if somehow this game gets away from me. I've lost the opener at home. It's like what the hell you know. What's this guy doing did? It's a little bit extreme at everybody that you bring in is is a great pitcher could have been tug McGraw Righetti or one of the starters but I Ran Johnson a lot of rope and let him go with eight because the big lead and then I just close it out with a hammer. Were you just afraid of the glare? You would get if you'd gone out to the mound before the eighth inning to take him out. Yeah I got a lot of glares hitting fifth. He wasn't happy. So celebs a grumpy day at the yard. But it wound up being a lot of fun well game one win is is very important than and of course when you can set a tone with a big first inning like northern Californians. Did you know that that's all important? It takes the pressure off. Any pitcher takes pressure off the defense and The game started right away. Ricky Henderson did what Ricky Anderson does He drew a walk from Drysdale to start the game and then up stepped Berry bonds batting second in the lineup which is not where he's used to batting but he upset Barry Bonds number two and this is what happened with Joe. Let me yeah four. Three two and this is what happened with John. Miller on the call. Henderson leads away from Second. Drysdale checks now. The pitch bonds swung that boiling blasted. You can forget about this. One what I shot straight away. Centerfield and over everything maybe headed all the way to the bay bridge and incredible hormone by bonds over the four hundred ten footlocker over the scoreboard out into the parking lot and onto sixteenth street. Heading if not all the way to the Bay Bridge and Northern California had jumped ahead to nothing. Only two batters in the game if that weren't enough Joe Morgan a big home. Run in the first inning. And and you know bruce the even the even the southern California managers when they when they looked at the new lineup for Northern California and saw that saw that outfield A An outfielder Ricky Anderson and Barry Bonds you get D. H. Today and I mean Frank Robinson you know this is going to be trouble for the northern for the southern California team. Yeah Yeah and Joe Dimaggio Etcetera. I don't think I'm going to be messing with that group as the series goes on. It's so beautiful. Those those four at the top is really frightening is what it is. The whole lineup is good. I know they're pretty daunting for southern California. They're going to be seeing a lot of those same guys for sure. Okay so you're not going to be one of those tinkerers so I'm GonNa do some tinkering. I'm intending to get everybody some meaningful play. I feel real good about getting those four old timers system early action left. Doolan Harry Heilmann actually made plays in the outfield late in that game so It's it's a serious goes on. I'm going to give other guys a shot but that that top four. I'm not sure I mess with that Certainly no time soon. Okay and I imagine that you'll be able to With with so many good defensive outfielders out there imagine that Barry Bonds will probably continue in the designated hitter all really hit two homers today and it was the defensive ratings in a PBA. The Max you can get us. An outfielder is a three and ricky and bonds both Aba three so in terms of the game itself. Having Ricky out there then. That's a big debate. But you know bonds looks comfortable in the D. H. Lada. Hit Two out so why not? Just leave that alone. Okay and you know you you also have two of the biggest Well let's be frank. Terms read ashes in baseball with the big unit on the mound and Jackie Robinson. At the play You know right off the bat. I mean just to have Jackie Robinson playing in a world series game at Seals Stadium. I imagine that was pretty exciting. Actually both teams in the fans. You know it really was and Jackie homered off Randy Johnson. I'm just thinking. Yeah that's so cool. That's just that's just a great moment and Duke Snider as well as you mentioned that such a great thing. You've got two guys from the Brooklyn Dodgers James Against the big unit. Who's very modern day and I was just waiting for a bird to cross thrust in front of Randy Johnson and throw fastball that since the Burj. The feathered choir. Okay well the northern California team a big advantage up one nothing in a series that shifts to candlestick Park Tomorrow. And you know how candlestick plays a although in October. It can be pretty warm and as we've seen balls can fly out there to As well at this time of year and I mean what an advantage to have a one. Nothing lead and Tom seaver on the mound of you must be pretty pretty excited to manage that one. Well no question and especially against Walter Johnson going back to like nineteen thirteen People who saw him Fitch said these the fastest pitcher they ever saw. Even you know even as they came into the modern era he was like a Nolan Ryan. Colfax Kinda Guy So unbelievable matchup. They all are really. But you know Walter Johnson against Against Frank Robinson against Joe Dimaggio. This is what it's all about it. Serious fun well. Game One was a big day for San Carlos. Barry Bonds yet Oakland Ricky Anderson Oakland also. Joe Morgan With see round. Now tomorrow it'll be it'll be all about Fresno and I look forward to the game and I wish you well and Game Two becks Henry. We'll talk to them. That your game one. Recap SUBSCRIBE TO THE GIANTS. Splash or as plus podcast. So you can listen to all the recaps from golden greats interstate five world series.

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I-5 Series Game 1 Postgame Show

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09:06 min | 6 months ago

I-5 Series Game 1 Postgame Show

"Hello and welcome to the interstate. Five World Series Post Game. Show on Henry Showman. Well gave one of this. Golden Great Series proved once again that in the postseason. Good pitching doesn't always beat good hitting the northern California team jumped on Don Drysdale for five runs in the first inning in route to eleven. Nothing lead after three and eleven six victory. You wouldn't expect score like that in a game hitting Don Drysdale for the southern Californians and Randy Johnson the northern Californians on the mound but Seal Stadium San Francisco played really small the teams combined for seven homers including a pair of shots in the first inning by Barry Bonds and Joe Morgan. The first of two for bonds in the Game Ricky Henderson hit a three run homer as well for northern California while Jackie Robinson Duke Snider and Robin Yount. All went deep for the so cal's in all the nor pounded Drysdale and Garrett Cole for five runs a peach. The big unit was not particularly. Shar allowing five runs in eight innings. But he had a lot of room to play with. Dennis eckersley pitched the ninth to finish that always important game one victory. We now bring in northern California manager. Bruce Jenkins and Bruce this game to use one of your favorite words was Nettie while Henry any time you open with a win. A SEAL stadium. You have to feel like you're having a good day. It was a beautiful day at Seals stadium a lot of nostalgia in the air. I love how worked out when we ride away. Ricki Henderson's on Bass Barry Bonds homers he homers again and then Ricky Ricky homers Morgan homers. It was it was. I hate the word. Surreal because everybody says it in every sentence but it was a little bit strange to West Andres. They'll get lit up like that and Garrett Cole as well so it was just it was so delightful Henry that because they were. We were at seals stadium. And we're thinking back to the past. I was able to get Joe. Cronin Tony Area Harry and left. Do in the game and different. These are all San Francisco legends absolutely. I mean Left he'll duels from Bayview High School. Harry Heilmann sacred. Heart's so is Joe Cronin and Tony. Lozari is Galileo I mean. We're Talking Way San Francisco and you know the pope in the postseason. We know it's it's not like the regular season at all. I nine nineteen sixty. Four Don Drysdale gave up fifteen homers in over three hundred innings and He was just beaten around and You know what happens sometimes when you have a great pitcher who gets a huge lead? They lead up a little bit and that that seems to have happened a little bit with Randy Johnson With an eleven nothing lead yet room to play with and gave up five. And you know a couple of guys who played in in an old ballpark in Brooklyn are took him deep as well but You know I mean the was big enough that Dan. You're really neat. Dennis Eckersley in the ninth inning with that Big Leap. But you went to him anyway. Well I I wanted to make sure I won this game. If somehow this game gets away from me. I've lost the opener at home. It's like what the hell you know. What's this Guy Doing? It's a little bit extreme at everybody that you bring in is is a great pitcher could have been tug McGraw Righetti or one of the starters but I Ran Johnson a lot of rope and let him go with eight because the big lead and then I just close it out with a hammer. Were you just afraid of the glare? You would get if you'd gone out to the mound before the eighth inning to take him out. Yeah I got a lot of glares hitting fifth. He wasn't happy. So celebs a grumpy day at the yard. But it wound up being a lot of fun well game one win is is very important than and of course when you can set a tone with a big first inning like northern Californians. Did you know that that's all important? It takes the pressure off. Any pitcher takes pressure off the defense and The game started right away. Ricky Henderson did what Ricky Anderson does He drew a walk from Drysdale to start the game and then up stepped Berry bonds batting second in the lineup which is not where he's used to batting but he upset Barry Bonds number two and this is what happened with Joe. Let me yeah four. Three two and this is what happened with John. Miller on the call Henderson leads away from Second Drysdale checks now. The pitch bonds swung that is blasted. You can forget about this one. What I shot straight away. Centerfield and over everything maybe headed all the way to the bay bridge and incredible hormone by bonds over the four hundred ten footlocker over the scoreboard out into the parking lot and onto sixteenth street. Heading if not all the way to the Bay Bridge and Northern California had jumped ahead to nothing. Only two batters in the game if that weren't enough Joe Morgan a big home. Run in the first inning. And and you know bruce the even the even the southern California managers when they when they looked at the new lineup for Northern California and saw that saw that outfield A An outfielder Ricky Anderson and Barry Bonds you get D. H. Today and I mean Frank Robinson is going to be trouble for the northern for the southern California team. Yeah Yeah and Joe Dimaggio in center. I don't think I'm going to be messing with that group as the series goes on. It's so beautiful. Those those four at the top is really frightening is what it is. The whole lineup is good. I know they're pretty daunting for southern California but they're going to be seeing a lot of those same guys for sure. Okay so you're not going to be one of those tinkerers so I'm GonNa do some tinkering. I'm intending to get everybody some meaningful play. I feel real good about getting those four old timers system early action left. Doolan Harry Heilmann actually made plays in the outfield late in that game so It's it's a serious goes on. I'm going to give other guys a shot but that that top four. I'm not sure I mess with that Certainly no time soon. Okay and I imagine that you'll be able to With with so many good defensive outfielders out there I imagine. Barry Bonds will probably continue in the designated hitter. All Willie hit two homers today and it was the defensive ratings in a PBA. The Max you can get us. An outfielder is a three and ricky and bonds both Aba three so in terms of the game itself. Having Ricky out there then. That's a big debate. But you know bonds looks comfortable in the D. H. Lada. Hit Two out so why not? Just leave that alone. Okay and you know you you also have two of the biggest Well let's be frank. Terms read ashes in baseball with the big unit on the mound and Jackie Robinson at the play Know Right off the Bat. I mean just to have Jackie Robinson playing in a world series game at Seals Stadium. I imagine that was pretty exciting. Actually both teams in the fans. You know it really was and Jackie homered off Randy Johnson. I'm just thinking. Yeah that's so cool. That's just that's just a great moment and Duke Snider as well as you mentioned that such a great thing. You've got two guys from the Brooklyn Dodgers James Against the big unit. Who's very modern day and I was just waiting for a bird to cross thrust in front of Randy Johnson and throw fastball that since the Burj. The feathered choir. Okay well the northern California team a big advantage up one nothing in a series that shifts to candlestick park tomorrow and you know how candlestick plays although in October. It can be pretty warm and as we've seen balls can fly out there to As well at this time of year and I mean what an advantage to have a one. Nothing lead and Tom seaver on the mound of you must be pretty pretty excited to manage that one. Well no question and especially against Walter Johnson going back to like nineteen thirteen People who saw him Fitch said these the fastest pitcher they ever saw. Even you know even as they came into the modern era he was like a Nolan Ryan. Colfax Kinda Guy So unbelievable matchup. They all are really. But you know Walter Johnson against Against Frank Robinson against Joe Dimaggio. This is what it's all about it. Serious fun well. Game One was a big day for San Carlos. Barry Bonds yet Oakland Ricky Anderson Oakland also. Joe Morgan With see round amok. Now tomorrow it'll be it'll be all about Fresno and I look forward to the game and I wish you well and Game Two becks Henry. We'll talk to them. That your game one. Recap subscribe to the giants splash as plus podcast. So you can listen to all the recaps from golden greats interstate five world series.

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I-5 Series Game 4 Postgame Show

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13:39 min | 6 months ago

I-5 Series Game 4 Postgame Show

"Sports fans on Henry Schulman here host the recap of game. Four the interstate five world series. Which is now northern California's to lose after seven six. Come from behind victory over the southern California's Angel Stadium the nor cows. Now have a three to one lead in the best of seven golden greats world series so the so cows have their work cut out for them only six of forty six teams to fall behind three to one and a world series of Comeback Win and a comeback is the game four story. Northern California was down sixty four in the seventh inning when Garrett Cole trying to rebound from a terrible relief appearance in game one allowed a two run Ricky Henderson. Travolta tie the game jolt and Joe Dimaggio. Then got ricky home with a sacrifice fly for a seventy six lead for the northerns and that's where it stayed and then in what had to be one of the great encounters of this series or any series. Dennis ECKERSLEY got the save by striking out Ted Williams to end the game. Which I'm sure made Ted Williams extraordinarily pleasant Afterwards Barry Bonds hit his fifth home. Run of this interstate five series but he was outdone by mark. Maguire who had a pair of homers off. Stewart is former Oakland a's teammate Henderson. Also had a two run homer that was off Stephen Strasburg and had four. Rbi's on the day we bring in the genius. Northern California manager Bruce Jenkins who chose Stewart to start his first game of the series overusing Randy Johnson on short rest and You know that the move didn't exactly pay off right there So what can you tell us about that? Stuart start it really didn't You know I would have thought that if Stewart was pitching Mark Maguire. At anytime that he would have the upper hand. I just think Stewart was the better man. Maguire's a hell of a man but Dave Stewart was sort of a different caliber and well Maguire. Let him up twice. And in the time the in between those home runs Stewart Walked him didn't want any part of him. So that's my obsession with Dave Stewart. Ardley workout out and it's now vanished but somehow we still win the game. Yeah ammunition to the to the great offense. I mean both of these teams. Look I mean you look at the offense team and and you almost hate to be pitcher looking at these rosters You know this is one of those. You know. Sometimes pitchers won't Watch the other teams adding practice. Certain pitchers over the years would do it just so they could get a feel for what the you know the hitters have in this one if I were a pitcher in this series whether I was strasburger steward or Walter Johnson. Whatever I I'd be cowering in the shower having a beer I mean I it just it. Just t top line all the way round. Yeah I you know I if I were at the park in any capacity I wouldn't miss any moments of any of either team's batting practice. You mentioned Ted Williams sickness. Tony Gwynn George Brad. All the different approaches. You know bonds just You know Jimmy rollins anybody Keith Hernandez So it's an here comes Harry. Hyland look at a four hundred hitter from nineteen twenty three. So yeah. It's that sort of thing and and you know to say that Stewart was a disgrace. Just can't say that about anybody who doesn't succeed in this series. No and you know Randy. Johnson gave up five runs when he had an eleven. Nothing lead in in Game One Garrett Cole who's fantastic fantastic pitcher Really having trouble in in this series so Yeah you can't hold your head down in fact a knowing what offenses you have If you just keep the team in the game away day Stewart did that you're gonNA have a chance to to pitch them to a help them get to a victory So we. This was our first really game of this series where it was a comeback? I mean this has been a series of Teams taking the home team's taking an early lead and You know just sort of writing it on onto win so This was a different kind of game and it started the same way yet. A two run homer by Mark Maguire in the first inning than Eddie Eddie Mathews In the third Australia two run homer gave the so callous a four to one lead and if the game said on true to form that might have been in in so it would be a marching towards the victory to give them a to split in the series the northern Californians needed a jolt to get back into the game And Ricky Henderson gave them that with a two run homer in the cut. The lead to four three against Stephen Strasburg So it was anybody's game. At that point we moved to the bottom of the fifth. Dave Stewart is on the mound Ted Williams on first base after a walk. Nothing surprising there up steps Mark Maguire. Who already has a two run homer in the game? And here's John Miller to tell us what happened so here. They are again matched up. These old teammates Dave Stewart and big. Mac McGuire already took indeed with two run homer in the first inning in this game. It's tour walk in the next time. Ted Williams at I four to three southern California leading and STU delivers Maguire blast one deep in the right center field. This has a chance way back there and long gone six three southern California second home run of the game for mark. Maguire Gins gave stool now. It's four three ball game and this is kind of a slug fest And I I would imagine that as a manager in a four three game this early in a game yet. Little nervous that This thing could get out of hand. Reuss well I am totally nervous. I'm waiting for for Ted Williams to explode waiting for Ralph Kiner to come off the bench in in in the nineteen fifties when he was the greatest power hitter the National League and I was That was pretty much nervous the whole time and I know Houston was to looking at the top of my order not to mention some of the guys coming off the bench so You know there are times where Houston. I just sort of marveled at the the situation that was in Toronto bus bonds coming up. They're down four with a chance of a slam to tie it. And the way this game ended so That's that was a big part of it. Just sort of the magnificence of the matchups well Speaking of magnificence watching Ricky Henderson get into that Crouch and explode on the baseball The power that Ye generated Was Behold and the your team the northern. Californians really needed him to do just that it's the seventh inning now and it northern California is now six four and Houston Mitchell manager. The so cal he turned to Garrett Cole which was a gutsy move because a coal was not good in game. One he gave up five runs in relief of Their starter who was Don Drysdale And so a couple of names. We haven't really heard in this series so far. Willie McGee Jimmy Rollins to great guys from the East Bay. They put runners on first and third get on base with singles That brings Ricky Henderson to the play to on in a two run game. John Miller tells us what happened to Menon Garrett Cole in a tight spot here. Top of the seven and six to four lead for southern California Ricky Henderson with lots of speed out there. Willie McGee had second Jimmy Rollins. At first and of course ricky as fast as anybody at the plate. Here's coal trying to settle in. And he throws ricky swings and he lines down the line. It is a fair ball. It will richocheting all the way into the right field corner. Mcgee races around Third Hill scored. Easily rollins racing around third. He's heading home and he will score the throw heading toward third Henderson with a safe. A two run triple for Ricky Henderson and that has tied the game at six. All right. It's now a tie game Joe. Dimaggio comes up and of course you know Joe Dimaggio was one of the great contact hitters of all time only needed to do was get a ball into the outfield and To get ricky home and he did and now at seven to sixty cows and At that point you must've been. You must have been thrilled because I mean there really had not been any kind of shifts in momentum's game right now there hadn't and Joe Maggio hadn't done much in the series but there's something about him you don't just say well. I'M GONNA sit you down I. It's a tough one some people. Yeah but I wasn't going to do that. And here. He finally comes through with a big sacked. Fly Right and certainly no surprise that you did that. But it's just. My team felt a little more complete their. Now we've got the lead and What are we going to do with it? Well you're gonNA hopefully which got a seven six lead in this series as offensive as it had been. You know. Wouldn't seem to save so you turn to Dennis Eckersley which Tony Larussa did Just all the time and with complete faith that he was going to get the job done except for that one game in the world series in nineteen eighty eight. He was on to save the seven six lead that Joe Dimaggio provided with sacked. Fly and with two outs. In the night we had a match up. That really defines what this series is about. You have one of the Games. Great closers against the best pure jeter. Who Ever played the game? Ted Williams to outs nobody on John Miller last of the ninth inning California. The seventy six lead and Dennis Eckersley chew down and nobody on trying to wrap it up with two strikeouts to Ted Williams. Hey does anybody remember the name? Kurt Gibson anybody thinking about discreet repeating itself here and a big game act with a true strikeout trying to make sure that that does not happen. Piece ask Eckersley to the plate and he struck out swinging. The ball game is over and Northern California. Now has a three games to one lead in the series beating Southern California seventy six and heading now to Ted Williams Hometown San Diego for game five tomorrow and there. You have it a seven six victory northern California's lead in the series. And this is GonNa be a tough one for the so cal. So yeah you know. I'm I'm feeling just awfully good about this knowing that we're gonNA come back home If we need to for the last six and seven in Oakland and San Francisco and Try Not to get Sound too cocky with the with the press afterward you know because I have so much respect but the thing that Eckersley would strike out Ted Williams not just get him out would strike him out to end the game just feeling like our team is a little bit overwhelming for them. Yeah and in really what you should have done was invited some of the reporters into the room who wrote stories doubting your ability to win this series and just by moon them or something like that. I mean that really would be a a classic managerial move. But you're too classy for that. Well they're they're quiet for now. I just hope that continues. Yeah like you said Game five would. This'll be the last game that will be played in southern California. It's going to shift to Petco Park. And we're also were shifting out to Ted Williams hometown. So I'm sure he's going to be he's going to be really up for it Interesting pitching matchup Who the hardest? Throwers who ever played the game. You got game one winner Randy Johnson. He's GonNa be pitching for the series championship for the knockouts on. He's going to be going on normal. Rest so you've managed this very well. So are notwithstanding Dave Stewart. Getting roughed up a little bit In in this game but You're going to have a Randy Johnson on normal risks and he's going to go against game two loser Walter Johnson. Who's pitching short rest? And I mean. That's what pitchers did in nineteen thirteen. So I don't think you can go into this game assuming that You know Walter. Johnson is his arm is GonNa fly off just because he's pitching short rest. I mean this is really long restaurant. Isn't it yeah it really is? I mean you know. We don't have the off days. Which is why pitchers routinely worked on three days rest with the travel and the world series. You Pitch Games one four and seven. I'm I'm kind of keeping that. That thought the two of US managers here the go with a three man. It's it's it's it's two days on the calendar but in reality if it were a real world series it would be. You'd be working on three days rest. We're just going with the three man rotation thought You know keep that old style which that was the case in world series for a million years and you know a lot of guys did come back on literally on two days. Rest Mickey Low. It'S GROVER CLEVELAND. Alexander Sandy Colfax. It actually happened quite a bit. Nate Lubar debt so We'll we'll just see how this goes. Okay and Walter. Johnson's are they used to have two men rotations in the world series so This will not be unusual for him. So thank you again. Reuss Jenkins the manager of the Northern California team in this golden greats world series. We'll talk to you After game five you might champagne on your head. You might not so good luck in the game San Diego every. 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I-5 Series Game 4 Postgame Show

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13:39 min | 6 months ago

I-5 Series Game 4 Postgame Show

"Sports fans on Henry Schulman here host the recap of game. Four the interstate five world series. Which is now northern California's to lose after seven six. Come from behind victory over the southern California's Angel Stadium the nor cows. Now have a three to one lead in the best of seven world series so the so cows have their work. Cut Out for them. Only six of forty-six teams to fall behind three to one and a world series of comeback win and a comeback. Is the game four story. Northern California was down sixty four in the seventh inning when Garrett Cole trying to rebound from a terrible relief appearance in game one allowed a two run Ricky Henderson. Travolta tie the Game Jolt Joe Dimaggio. Then got ricky home with a sacrifice fly for a seventy six lead for the northerns and that's where it stayed and then in what had to be one of the the great encounters of this series or any series. Dennis ECKERSLEY got the save by striking out Ted Williams to end the game which I'm sure made get Williams extraordinarily pleasant Afterwards Barry Bonds hit his fifth home. Run of this interstate five series but he was outdone by mark. Maguire who had a pair of homers off. Stewart is former Oakland a's teammate Henderson. Also had a two run homer that was off Stephen Strasburg and had four. Rbi's on the day we bring in the genius. Northern California manager Bruce Jenkins who chose Stewart to start his first game of the series overusing Randy Johnson on short rest and You know that the move didn't exactly pay off right there So what can you tell us about that? Stuart start it really didn't You know I would have thought that if Stewart was pitching Mark Maguire. At anytime that he would have the upper hand. I just think Stewart was the better man. Maguire's a hell of a man but Dave Stewart was sort of a different caliber and well Maguire. Let him up twice and in the time the in between those home runs Stewart walked him didn't want any part of him. So that's my obsession with Dave Stewart Ardley workout and it's now vanished but somehow we still win the game. Yeah Amion it's a testament to the to the great offense. I mean both of these teams. Look I mean you look at the offense team and and you almost hate to be pitcher looking at these rosters You know this is one of those you know. Sometimes pitchers won't watch the other teams adding practice. Certain pitchers over the years would do it just so they could get a feel for what the you know the hitters have in this one if I were a pitcher in this series whether I was strasburger steward or Walter Johnson. Whatever I I'd be cowering in the shower having a beer I mean I it just it just a top line all the way round. Yeah I you know I if I were at the park in any capacity I wouldn't miss any moments of any of either team's batting practice. You mentioned Ted Williams sickness. Tony Gwynn George Brad. All the different approaches you know bonds. Just Jimmy rollins anybody Keith Hernandez So it's an here comes Harry. Hyland look at a four hundred hitter from nineteen twenty three. So yeah it's that sort of thing and and you know to say that Stewart was a disgrace. Just can't say that about anybody who doesn't succeed in this series. No and you know Randy Johnson gave up five runs when he had an eleven nothing lead in in Game One Garrett Cole. Fantastic fantastic pitcher Really having trouble in in this series so Yeah you can't hold your head down in fact a knowing what offenses you have If you just keep the team in the game away day Stewart did that you're gonNA have a chance to to pitch them to a help them get to a victory So we. This was our first really game of this series where it was a comeback? I mean this has been a series of Teams taking the home team's taking an early lead and You know just sort of writing it on onto win so This was a different kind of game and it started the same way yet. A two run homer by Mark Maguire in the first inning than Eddie Eddie Mathews In the third Australia two run homer gave the so cal. A four to one lead and The game said on true to form that might have been in in so it would be a marching towards the victory to give them a to split in the series the northern Californians needed a jolt to get back into the game And Ricky Henderson gave them that with a two run homer in the cut. The lead to four three against Stephen Strasburg So it was anybody's game. At that point we moved to the bottom of the fifth. Dave Stewart is on the mound Ted Williams on first base after a walk. Nothing surprising there up steps Mark Maguire. Who already has a two run homer in the game? And here's John Miller to tell us what happened so here. They are again matched up. These old teammates Dave Stewart and big. Mac McGuire already took indeed with two run homer in the first inning in this game. It's tour walk in the next time. Ted Williams at I four to three southern California leading and STU delivers Maguire blast one deep in the right center field. This has a chance way back there and long gone six three southern California second home run of the game for mark. Maguire Gins gave stool now. It's four three ball game and this is kind of a slug fest And I that as a manager in a four three game this early in a game yet. A little nervous that This could get out of hand reuss. Well I am totally nervous. I'm waiting for for Ted Williams to explode waiting for Ralph Kiner to come off the bench in in in the nineteen fifties when he was the greatest power hitter the National League and I was That was pretty much nervous the whole time and I know Houston was to looking at the top of my order not to mention some of the guys coming off the bench so You know there are times where Houston. I just sort of marveled at the the situation that was in Toronto bus bonds coming up. They're down four with a chance of a slam to tie it. And the way this game ended so That's that was a big part of it. Just sort of the magnificence of the matchups well Speaking of magnificence watching Ricky Henderson get into that Crouch and explode on the baseball The power that each generated was decided behold and the your team the northern. Californians really needed him to do just that it's the seventh inning now and it northern California is now six four and Houston Mitchell manager. The so cal he turned to Garrett Cole which was a gutsy move because coal was not good in game. One he gave up five runs in relief of Their starter who was Don Drysdale And so a couple of names. We haven't really heard in this series so far. Willie McGee Jimmy Rollins to great guys from the East Bay. They put runners on first and third get on base with singles That brings Ricky Henderson to the play to on in a two run game. John Miller tells us what happened to Menon Garrett Cole in a tight spot here. Top of the seventy six to four lead for southern California Ricky Henderson with lots of speed out there. Willie McGee had second Jimmy Rollins. At first and of course ricky as fast as anybody at the plate. Here's coal trying to settle in. And he throws ricky swings and he lines down the line. It is a fair ball. It will richocheting all the way into the right field corner. Mcgee races around Third Hill scored. Easily rollins racing around third. He's heading home and he will score the throw heading toward third Henderson with a safe. A two run triple for Ricky Henderson and that has tied the game at six. All right. It's now a tie game Joe. Dimaggio comes up and of course you know Joe Dimaggio was one of the great contact hitters of all time only needed to do was get a ball into the outfield and To get ricky home and he did and now at seven to sixty cows and At that point you must've been. You must've been thrilled because I there really had not been any kind of shifts in momentum's game right now there hadn't and Joe Maggio hadn't done much in the series but there's something about him you don't just say well I'm GonNa sit you down I. It's a tough one some people. Yeah but I wasn't going to do that. And here. He finally comes through with a big sacked. Fly Right and certainly no surprise that you did that. But it's just. My team felt a little more complete their. Now we've got the lead and What are we going to do with it? Well you're gonNA hopefully which got a seven six lead in this series as offensive as it had been. You know. Wouldn't seem to save so you turn to Dennis Eckersley which Tony Larussa did Just all the time and with complete faith that he was going to get the job done except for that one game in the world series in nineteen eighty eight. He was on to save the seven six lead. That Joe Dimaggio provided with Zach. Lie and with two outs. In the night we had a match up. That really defines what this series is about. You have one of the Games. Great closers against the best pure jeter. Who Ever played the game? Ted Williams to outs nobody on John Miller last of the ninth inning California. The seventy six lead and Dennis Eckersley chew down and nobody on trying to wrap it up here with two strikeouts to Ted Williams. Hey does anybody remember the name? Kurt Gibson anybody thinking about discreet repeating itself here and a big game act with a true strikeout trying to make sure that that does not happen. Piece ask Eckersley to the plate and he struck out swinging. The ball game is over and Northern California. Now has a three games to one lead in the series beating Southern California seventy six and heading now to Ted Williams Hometown San Diego for game five tomorrow and there. You have it a seven six victory northern California's lead in the series. And this is going to be a tough one for the so calcio come. Yeah you know. I'm I'm feeling just awfully good about this knowing that we're gonNA come back home If we need to for the last six and seven in Oakland and San Francisco and Try Not to get Sound too cocky with the with the press afterward you know because I have so much respect but the thing that Eckersley would strike out Ted Williams not just get him out would strike him out to end the game. I'm just feeling like our team is a little bit overwhelming for them. Yeah and and really what you should have done was invited some of the reporters into the room who wrote stories doubting your ability to win this series and just by moon them or something like that. I mean that really would be a a classic managerial move. But you're too classy for that. Well they're they're quiet for now. I just hope that continues. Yeah like you said Game five would. This'll be the last game that will be played in southern California. It's going to shift to Petco Park. And we're also were shifting out Ted Williams hometown. So I'm sure he's going to be he's going to be really up for it Interesting pitching matchup With the hardest. Throwers who ever played the game. You got game one winner Randy Johnson. He's GonNa be pitching for the series championship for the knockouts on. He's going to be going on normal. Rest so you've managed this very well. So are notwithstanding Dave Stewart. Getting roughed up a little bit In in this game but You're going to have a Randy Johnson on normal risks and he's going to go against game two loser Walter Johnson. Who's pitching short rest? And I mean. That's what pitchers did in nineteen thirteen. So I don't think you can go into this game assuming that You know Walter. Johnson is his arm is GonNa fly off just because he's pitching short rest. I mean this is really long restaurant. Isn't it yeah it really is? I mean you know. We don't have the off days. Which is why pitchers routinely worked on three days rest with the travel and the world series. You Pitch Games one four and seven. I'm I'm kind of keeping that. That thought the two of US managers here the go with a three man. It's it's it's it's two days on the calendar but in reality if it were a real world series it would be. You'd be working on three days rest. We're just going with the three man rotation thought You know keep that old style which that was the case in world series for a million years and you know a lot of guys did come back on literally on two days. Rest Mickey Low. It'S GROVER CLEVELAND. Alexander Sandy Colfax. It actually happened quite a bit. Nate Lubar debt so We'll we'll just see how this goes. Okay and Walter. Johnson's are they used to have two men rotations in the world series so This will not be unusual for him. So thank you again. Reuss Jenkins the manager of the Northern California team in this golden greats world series. We'll talk to you After game five you might champagne on your head. You might not so good luck in the game San Diego every. Thank you for listening. Each sure to subscribe to the giants splash for as plus podcast. You can hear future recaps from this golden greats world series.

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Hour 2 - Warren Moon (06-09-20)

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Hour 2 - Warren Moon (06-09-20)

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His interceptions weren't that bad, but he had a monster junior year for some reason didn't come out. Poll in Iowa joins us. Hey Paul! What's on your mind? K. Dan five eleven one seventeen. You guys are really underplaying the coveted telephone trophy that was played between highway state in Missouri for decades. Okay. The story goes the coordinators in the fifties or sixties. Literally got their wires. Crossing could hear each other's play called, and they played for the telephone trophy ever sent. All right well, thank you Paul, but of course that was in the fifties and sixties. Where might have mattered I don't know if it matters feels like I was state. Football is on the rise more than Missouri. Football is on the rise all right well. Welcome to the program. We talked Canadian football league by the way in the first hour. We cover all the big stories on this. Program Warren Moon in the Canadian football hall of fame. He'll join us. Coming up also the pro football hall of fame, he'll join US coming up Michael Wilbon from ESPN will join us as well adamant. Chicago joins US right now Adam what's on your mind today. Is Five, six, hundred forty. Though Dan just wanted to tell you and the boys. How much the show is mentioned me. I used to work at sports radio sixty. Four in Chicago I think you're familiar with that. Yes, and so I I when I first started. I worked there for like nine years when I started I work those dreaded weekend, overnight shows, and so I would come in like midnight on Friday and push buttons Saturday midnight. Push buttons, but on Fridays. We would simulcast your show. Push Buttons. Play your show, and it got me at least till three in the morning. and you know you're twenty years old. Twenty one years old in Chicago all your friends out. You had on the L. go downtown and work at midnight. It was something to look forward to. Are you still in the business? No No, I left I now work at a school district I. Do Storytelling Communications for that much I've taken my. Challenge to make sure that I can tell stories and make sure people know that everything going on in education is actually quite all. Right well, good luck with that Adam and glad we could entertain you point. Wow is that many reads the kids what does that all? That was a shot the offense. And Yes, we remember. Brook Lopez for being I think poetry Major. I think you called his major a hobby. Is that a major. Hey. The whole show said you'll never hit a three. Dare to hit three now. He hits like seven game. No I said take one in the all. Star game I changed Brook Lopez's career I know that the wildest turnaround because I said look. You know we got you into the All Star game. Maybe we didn't but I told him that. Can you shoot a three? And he shoots three in the all. Star game then after that he started shooting threes and has become very prolific ed shooting threes, all right eight seven seven three DP show email address GPS Dan Patrick. Dot Com twitter handle with DP show. Poll question mclovin, Oh the same poll that everybody has today. Would you rather be chaste? Daniel or the best Canadian Football League quarterback on. Bali a fifty five percent would chase Daniel Right now. Oh, that's close. What what are the other poll question? Suggestion possibilities. Okay, we did I did put together Who would you draft if you could? After a quarterback Aaron Donald Poll Aaron Donald One of the both brothers are Ronnie. Stanley, or the first. Nobody knows Ronnie Stanley. I know he's number five. Six Stefan Gilmore in their. Gilmore, do you put the both brothers in there and you don't get both Oh, you got to pick one you, but both both brothers in the top ten, and that it tells long drop till you get like McCaffrey twenty, and then Khalil Mack at twenty four so like there. There's not very many non qb's bake. This list at all I know I hate these list. Hannah in Missouri joins US good morning what's on your mind. Morning. How are you? Oh, what's wrong? Oh nothing. I just wanted to come on and say I'm a recent Grad from Missouri, and not GonNa Lie Waking Up and going to those o'clock twelve o'clock games tailgate was a party, so you really can't beat that. Okay, but if you had maybe a seven o'clock Game Hannah. How much more exciting could that be where you had an evening? Where you could tell me go to football? Yeah, you so wake up until gate all day long. Yes, absolutely. Can Get. Did you know that Missouri football that Missouri was in the same conference? Okay all right well, thank you. Thank you for calling in on. Can you ask shoe remembers when they were number one? Has You weren't old enough. Case, annuals okay! Two thousand seven Daniel. Okay she can add an s to it. She got the the right quarterback mclovin. Always add an s I know. I do not believe. I know that was always always had a problem with chase Daniel then was like. Oh you did it to. ME S. Chase, Daniels And I still say Josh mcdaniel. Is it mcdaniel Daniels do that too and Fritzy? Always you said Josh mcdaniels and do. Your Josh mcdaniels I've totally blades. mcdaniels got an s why. Why does he have an ass? L. I guess. Yeah, Daniels, which is the more common name I'm so confused right now, but Lloyd Daniels. That's that is an asset but Lloyd. What cal Daniels Fritzy to get out of town for the season CAL nope. It's tough around the batting cage. I was always really uncomfortable around the batting cage. Because that's their little workshop and members of the media, and then you're trying to curry favor and where you can get somebody. Maybe Hey, can i. Get an interview with him, but you needed to have that. Open line and I'm the worst that I did I. Thought provoking ready for this even though I wouldn't expect anything banks out of you. It'd be just. Why were you on the field in the first place? I got a credential because I was working at the sports radio station. They sent me to cover the team and I couldn't believe that I could just walk on the field like that. I felt the need to shouts up. Did you just hold them microphone. Is that how you even have? A microphone was next to all the people covering the dodgers, and where like down the third base lower you covering them if you're not. Because I was one of the producers for the the new LA radio stations. Covering them I wasn't a dodger beat writer, but I was covering l.. A. Sports and I was given A. But. You weren't doing anything at the game where you know. Oh! My. God come on the field that you deserve. Lived grew up three thousand miles here and I'm dodger stadium. Well. Maybe Cal Daniels looked at you and said. Who is this poser here? There's no pen, no paper, no microphone, wearing cowboy boots and a cowboy. That was that there would be addressed like yeah Paulie and tie with no no Pazmino recorder how you quoted Caldas. Correctly, we said NOPE. NOPE My feeling best laboratory ever is when those guys made. You Talk to Randy. Johnson I will now I'm never going to a baseball locker rooms I'd never want that to happen. That was Mark Grace and Luiz Gonzalez. Randy Johnson you did not approach on Game Day not really any day, but you did not approach. Randy Johnson on game, day. And I'm there. When grace's with the Arizona diamondbacks and I go to his locker I say hello to him. It's at Wrigley Field. And He's there with Luiz, Gonzalez. And they're just talking bsn he goes. And then Randy Johnson came in, and he was at the other end locker. In Greece goes. Go, say load a unit. And I said okay, you know I saw the. FINISH UP! Say Pitching today, right? Yeah, yeah, get cold. So I get done talking to Grayson Gonzalez and I walked down. And I said. Hey Unit. and. He just looked at me as if I was batting third four. Day He wanted to drill me. Hey how you doing. And I don't even know if he said good or. And then he he walked away and I. And Grace. Luiz Gonzalez are just laughing. They think the funniest thing in the world that I went down there, said a low to Randy Johnson. Bob Todd what's worse to get glared out like that or for remember when Randy Johnson I. It didn't start out well, and he became a Yankee, and he was yelling at people in the street and. Now. There are certain players who who should they're meant for certain cities and certain players who are not member Ed Whitson when he was with the Yankees that didn't go well. Randy Johnson like Tim Duncan. Fit San Antonio and vice versa. How Tim Duncan would have been if he was playing in New York. Like that personality, and like you have to have a city that fits you. And not all cities. You know fit these players, but. Tim, Duncan is just perfect for San. Antonio, if felt like because he didn't need anything he didn't want. Publicity John Stockton was perfect for Salt Lake City. Karl Malone could have thrived elsewhere because I think Carl. He liked that publicity. He liked the notre right. John Stockton did not want to talk about himself ever. And Duncan is the same way Barry Sanders. You could have put him. That anyplace. And like he didn't WanNa talk, but it felt like stillwater. Oklahoma I. College career was perfect. Remember Dwight Howard went from Orlando to L. A. as I thought it was GONNA be perfect. He was such an entertaining show guy, great interview as Oh. He's perfect for Los Angeles I. Know is more on the court stuff, but I thought he was destined to be a great athlete because he played so well with the media. Well. I was told that he in his mind outgrown Orlando he wanted to follow in shacks footsteps now he wanted to be the next superman. And he was only. There was one in done in La. Right. and. Just. I think the situation there I think Kobe trying to push him. Just didn't work out for a variety of reasons, but you know. Shack came in and embraced La vice versa. His personality is so big. That la was perfect for him and I think Dwight Howard was trying to follow in shacks footsteps. Jeff in Detroit Jeff Good Morning. What do you have for me? What up, DOE TIME FOR CHAT ROW! Hey, man, listen. You had a wonderful question. I was trying to figure out if Dan was in charge of the trigger, meet smokers product placement, and he had a draft who would be his quarterback wanting back and wide receiver. You can pick from any era. But they have to play together for you. Pick it. So I can pick my quarterback my running back in my wide receiver from any era. FROM ANY ERA! Or. You're starting. You think with angle, thank you, Jeff let me think about that. I I'd have to think about that one because do I take Brady because of his success or do I. Take Somebody who is? Bella check to go along with Brady and. Are. We playing today's NFL now. I don't know that feels like I'm going down a road and I'M GONNA. Go No, no, on second thought I'll take no on second. Thought will take Yemen. Club I think Jeff was getting? And somebody said they have to play together. Implying the chemistry, the three is important I. don't know I. I I thought he was saying that they are. They're on the same team. Yeah, like A. Would you want a pair of Montana Rice? Because we know they work together well or something? Maybe that's part of thinking I know. But then I can take another running back. I don't have to take Roger. Craig, right. You could put Barry Sanders, which is why he asked the Question Mr Detroit. I would probably go. Aikman Irvin. Emmett. Because they played together. I already have that advantage unless you're going to go. Bradshaw Swung Franco. would be a possibility. But if I've already got my guys who have played together, and they're all hall of famers. Though I feel pretty good going into battle with those guys. Trying to think at. What's the best trio in NFL history? Yes todd. I was disappointed because rave about elway being your favorite quarterback of all time, but if you weren't looking at three that we're on the same team, if you're just independently, pick, who you thought was the best quarterback running back and wide receiver. Just when I thought he was getting at that, you would go with elway. Why why? I've heard from you twice today both Bronco about lock in John Elway. As, a former girlfriend of mine once said free your mind the rest, okay? As police says we're too far down the road on that one three your mind, the rest will follow. Jamie North Carolina will join US Hey Jayme. Hey Dan six four to fifteen going back to work today and I'm glad I got to talk to you but I have a funny story I, don't screw up quickly. Randy Johnson was poolside when I was a little kid, and I went to try and get his autograph, and he looked up at me and I'm not sure if what his next action going to be, but he was so intimidating that I just took off and couldn't his autograph, and I told my dad. My Dad's on later. That night said he was really friendly, but he just looks so great. He was sitting poolside I just thought. All right well. Thank you Jamie and good luck going back to work. Yeah unit is because he's so tall and I've had to run INS with now i. have a great relationship with him now, but I remember when he was in Seattle. And the entire starting lineup surrounded me at the batting cage and wanted to know why I didn't talk about Edgar Martinez more. Now I have all their and unit was staring down at me. Like why don't we give Edgar Martinez more love on Sportscenter? And I said you know. I don't run the network. We never you know you don't show. His highlights and I was thinking. Nobody wants to see an Edgar. Martinez Bass. Knock the other way, and he doesn't play the field. You know point Daniel. Remember this Randy Johnson I think what the diamondbacks had a perfect game. Maybe oh four! Oh, five and fritzy called to get Randy Johnson the show perfect game course you want range on the show rainy Jackson told the PR person I'll only come on if they let my catcher. His name was robby Hammock. He has to be involved in the interview to you. If you enter both of us, I'll come on your show. And that was the first time he ever did an interview with you on the radio show, but he had to have his catcher. He said we did it together wasn't just me and that's the only way we got range I thought that was very telling about him. Yes, I'm sure he's very different on Game Day. The locker room in your setup fail when they told you to. They played a joke on. On your go talk to me likes to a chat, but we had them once a long time ago on a show in in on up close and he was, there was doing all star time, and he couldn't have been nicer. He was just a lovely man, and just very respectful, and Sweden didn't as intimidating looks as big tall presence. He was just he couldn't have been kinder. Appreciative of being honest. I thought that was a very cool very different than what he would look like if you just met him, thank you. was there a story there now? Is this sharing experience with Randy Levine? People would he's got a bad rap over the years. Is being this scary intimidating person? Just because he's like on the mound doesn't mean that's the person is. I just thought that would be an interesting little footnote to show, but obviously I've missed the mark somewhere. Already sweet. I was she was shockingly nice I thought he'd be have an attitude or like doing a big favorite showing up where he give you. The glare like Dave Stewart staring down the CATCHER's Mitt. Marks. So it's such a great line. broncos rely, either although he did pitcher the Astros briefly. Take a break here. more phone calls coming up. Investment. Dave studio real back in that. Reference Yeah. You remember Dave Yeah. I do that Glam I. do it. Stare down. All right we got about forty five fifty years old to get the most of your references. You have to be at least forty five years. Really need to get with the times and. The audience and What their ages are. What does that call the garden that the trying to hit a demographic? That's the word I was looking for back to you in the studio. Thank you John. Warren Moon will join US coming up bitch nineteen after the hour. 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Just in time for Father's day we got you covered bunch of new gear available just in time for Father's Day at Dan Patrick dot, com, new shirts, caps mugs, the get off my lawn, t shirt. Dan, Patrick Dot Com. Warren Moon through as a deep balls. Anybody I've ever seen Jeff George was another one through a great deep ball warns. We're usually caught though as opposed to Jeff. George is in the hall of Famer joining us on the program good. Morning Lauren how are Aria? That's not fair. Of Your did have a talented arm. Though man, you can throw it from every angle from every platform. I love watching them throw the football. Most physically talented quarterback. You've ever seen while Areas, like John elway was pretty physically talented during the time that I played you look now at at at Patrick Mahomes I mean it's physically talented. He is also an Rogers. Bid There's been a lot of them, so I don't know it's hard to say one, but the those guys just named her. Pretty much in that same class where they can throw the ball from any angle, any platform feet don't have to be together. One of them threw the ball with his left hand in a game and then completed one so. That tells you how talented those guys are. How helpless is that feeling? When you're on the sidelines in, you're watching quarterback lead that two minute drill and there's nothing you can do. Believe me I've been there because remember in Denver. We gave the ball back to John. elway would a minute forty eight left on his own five yard line, and I'm sitting on the sidelines. You defense can get them. Stops can win this playoff game and he takes them down. converts to fourth-down situations and ends up by going down in getting the the final score to beat us, so there was nothing I could do over on that side line as you said because my job at anything I could have got one more I down and hopefully round the clock out, but that didn't happen. So is nothing you can do if you don't play defense when you came out of Washington and you had an unbelievable rose bowl performance. But why were you told you weren't drafted? A lot of different reasons that had nothing to do with the real reason I. Think they said. I didn't come out of a pro style offense. They said that. A lot of teams who never even came out to to look at me, but I was wasn't tall enough. I wasn't big enough. You know I'm the. Same, height as I am right now, probably a two hundred and five pounds at the time, which which I think was pretty big enough to play border back in. Just a lot of different reasons, it didn't make a whole lot of sense, but the biggest thing I think was. They said that I didn't come out of a pro style offense, and we didn't run a pro style offense, but that didn't mean that I couldn't. Navigate into a pro style offense at that's what I was asked to do I I ran the offense that I was asked to run, and that's what good quarterbacks can do. They can make adjustments to different types of styles. If. They have the ability that they need to play the position and playing the position for as long as you did. There were code words that you would hear. That would mean something they would. It would mean more to you than it would me. Because they're saying that you didn't run a pro style offense not that you couldn't adapt to run a pro style offense, but all of a sudden. We've labeled you know Cam. Newton didn't run a pro style offense. No, but lots of guys didn't rent pro-style offenses, but there's guys ran option offenses in college, but they still winning. The still got a chance to play in the NFL and lease show would they could do so? I wasn't taking that and even Doug Williams. Who ran a pro style offense ed? Gramling the era I came out he was he was a first round draft pick, but he was, he went to Tampa Bay, who which was John McKay at the time and John. McCain had African American quarterbacks a bunch at USC, so he was used to to have an African American quarterback, but it Doug wouldn't a win at thirteen, which was thirteenth pick. Should've went before that, but he but he went to thirteen if he doesn't go to Tampa Bay at thirteen, he might not have went in the first round either so. It's just. It's just the time that we lived in. There was a mentality a stigma about African American quarterbacks and I knew it was gonna be difficult for me to play that position when I chose to do it. So it didn't surprise me when things got no more difficult as I got into college. You. Hear this conversation now where people are saying. Hey, maybe it's time to give Colin Kaepernick a chance. I, just wonder. Is it a legitimate chance for? He's GonNA WANNA start. I think everything he's gone through. You don't WanNa go back into the NFL and say Okay Hey. We gave you your job now go away. You should be happy. He's a competitor like anybody is. He wants to start, but. Dea, think CAPPER, Nick! Why why now is somebody going to give him a chance? When he hasn't played in four years that now we give him a chance. And how do you think he would accept that opportunity? Yeah I think the only way he should be given a chance if he can go through a workout for a team and pass their workout because he like. You said he hasn't played in three or four years. A lot has changed in the game the way the game is being played right now and you wanna find out from him. You want to sit down with him and find out where his mindset is is a quarterback in the NFL. You have to be kind of all in especially. If you're trying to get a job in trying to recreate yourself in the league is not like he's established guy. He maybe started doing some things off the field. He's trying to get back into it, so he's got to really be focused in all in on this because more so than any other position in sports. Order back. You'd better be all in or or use not gonNa work well for you so. That would be my biggest question him. Does he really want to play football? And then can you? Can you pass the workout of what a team would put him through? And then is he going to be focused enough to Get up to speed to learn a team system because. Cam Newton sitting out there right now, and he's not a starter Jameis Winston is a backup somewhere. This guy hasn't played in four years so if he expects to come in and be star. That's not going to happen. He's going to have to work his way back in like some of the other guys who have been playing each and every week, I was reading a Columbine Charles Robinson on Yahoo Roger Goodell has a small window to save his legacy and have a team signed Colin Kaepernick. HOW DOES THE COMMISSIONER? Convince Team to sign Colin Kaepernick I don't understand this. Yeah I. I don't know if that's going to happen either. He has a lot of power but I. Don't think he has that type of power. Because again he works for the owners and the owners Kinda make. The decisions on how they WanNa do things in and. You got gotta be an owner out there this willing to to to take that opportunity to sign him I know the seahawks had him in here a number of years ago and sat him down and they and I think. They got a chance to learn who he was. They got a chance to see him physically, and they put him. You know that was kind of part of their scouting process. If we need a quarterback, we knew this guy that made a week ago, too, so they know who he is. They've sat down with him. and I think this would be a good fit for him. If again he answers to other questions we. We talked about whether he can pass the workout and whether he's really totally into playing football because Pete Carroll's is open. Minded coach that there is in the league and the same thing with the ownership up here so I think it could work up here, but again those other questions after be answered. He's Warren Moon. The CFL and NFL Hall of Famer you're the only player in both CFL and NFL famous that right. High Am and only one other coach that thank God Bud Grant, but grant is. A COACH! In Canada and also in the NFL, too. So, what did you the for going jacket for going into the NFL hall? I do I got a jacket on a bust. A better looking jacket, canton or the? A Hamilton. Hall the Jacket Might Look Better in Canada because it's black. It's kind of hard to wear your pro football, thank. God? That is cool. You love that you have what in your closet, but it's not something you're gonNA. You got US whereas swag every weekend. You know. Yeah, it's hard to have an outfit that goes along with that that gold jacket. And and then what your number inside? On Your pro football hall of fame jacket thing to eighty three to eighty three. Yeah, that was when Tony Dungy showed me that that was really cool. When you see that number in there that inside. Patch. It's pretty cool. You are the yeah you know exactly where you stand in the history of the game. Your salary first year in the L. was what. Nineteen seventy eight. I got thirty five thousand to sign I had in my first year. Salary was forty five thousand while. And that was considered like a equivalent to a second round contract in the NFL. We'll you had that. Money would go a long way in Edmonton Did pretty well, but I was living in Seattle at the time, but when I first came to the NFL and I was like a true free agent and highest paid player in the League when I came into the League assigned for five years for five point five million. Wow, but did James. They've changed a little since then, but didn't you have a contract that you were always going to be one of the? I forget what it was, but didn't you get raises depending on other quarterbacks getting raises. Did your agent negotiate that where you were always going to be in the top five in salary? You're my. My second contract was like that. Yeah, it was caught adjustable years so. Nobody could ever be be paid more than myself and I imagine something like that would happen today. You look like a Dak Prescott who's worried about his contract or or Patrick Mahomes, probably going to be one of the top quarterbacks from here going forward. You would think they'd want to have something like that and they're deal if it's allowed. Some of those things aren't allowed anymore, but if that was allowed. Do you know if this is true that the story is Lebron James, met his agent rich Paul Because Rich was wearing a Warren Moon Jersey. And Rich was walking through an airport Lebron stopped him and asking where he got the Jersey. Did you ever hear that story? Yeah, I heard that story and the next time I ever seen Lebron. I'm going to mention that to see if it's really true. Why did you pick one? You know it was a number to me. That was different. It was in my mind. The number one is something I always strived for to be the best. And then I also felt like as a as my teammates looked at me as the leader on a team that number one is going to always remind them if that's what we want to be as a team as well so it has significance as far world I wanted to finish personally where our teams should wanna finish as a team. Were you there when Renfro Mike. Renfro the game against the steelers. Area okay years before I got yeah, because Houston had some tough losses, and you know that renfro catch. They said wasn't a catch Against Pittsburgh. Right? Yeah, yeah, yeah! I watched that game up in Canada I. Think I was up there at the time Earl Campbell? When I came out the same year he went to eat went to Houston as their number, one overall pick, but I went to Canada, so I I watched a lot of Houston older games on television. Man Earl was something different. Though but that that's style though I mean we see Derrick Henry now, but earl took on everybody. And everybody in the stadium. No, he was getting the ball pretty much every play and he still couldn't be stopped when I got to the Houston, it was about his six year. He was a little bit banged up by then, and he ended up. Getting traded the next year. New Orleans with with Bum Phillips because he went to New Orleans, but I I saw glimpses of who earl steel was during that that one near that I played with them. When happier excuse me and it's still one of those highlights, doesn't he hit? Isiah Robertson of the rams in sternum, Ann's right through almost steps on him and go anything even. Pass on. tearaway jerseys. It's good to talk to. You hope you're doing well. We appreciate your perspective on all of this and thanks for joining us I'm doing great. I'm glad you're doing as well and Look forward to talking to you down the row. Thank you warn. Warren Moon Five Cups, form and pro football, and the Canadian footballing all of fame. They're gonNA bust. You got a jacket nice. Young through a great depot. Beautiful people. And I love the oilers ernest givens. Yep He joined the oilers in in eighty four, and he was like this mystery out of Canada. Where guys like you knew him because of what he did in college, but younger people. You didn't see CFL highlights. You didn't see anything, so he was just as legendary CFL athlete in Great College quarterback, who's about to join the oilers and I? It was a really big deal when he joined the NFL. And then because we assumed if you went to the Canadian football league that you couldn't throw the ball. That you were more of a running quarterback athletic quarterback. And Doug Flutie had to go up there which he shouldn't have, but he did, and you know, Joe. Theismann went up there and Joe played at Notre Dame I don't think Joe might have gotten drafted by the dolphins like really late, but you watched Warren. Moon throw a football and he went. That's not the reason why he hadn't been in the NFL does he could throw a crate people? Tony Dungy talked. Tell that story about had a wide receiver. I forget what it novel and do you remember the wide receiver that Tony talked about Jacob? Read the Jacob. Read would drop the ball all the time. All of a sudden Warren Moon comes in Jacob Read Jake Reed has this unbelievable season because Warren Moon put it exactly where he needed applauded in between the number of yes. Tony said I mean Warren threw the ball. Beautiful Ball there and Jake Reed. I will take. Michael Wilbon joins US coming up a little bit later on baseball still in the on-deck circle. Maybe we get some movement here and and I hate to build up anybody's hopes with this. I hate to take down to, but I'm just trying to be realistic with what I'm hearing what I'm seeing what I'm reading? And I. Don't know any more than probably what you do. But, you want to apply logic to this that you assume the owners would want to come back and the players would wanna come back in that you could meet somewhere in the middle, and we could have a seventy five game schedule season, and you could get pay commensurate to how many games you're going to play. It just doesn't feel like everybody has the same goal here. I saw Wilbon and Kornheiser. Go off on this yesterday on. Pardon the interruption. That may be Say Todd, we should have gone on. I love to get him riled up to, and we do have the schedule for the NBA with the regular season, and then the postseason here and you know it's a pretty tight window, and if you're the NBA, you're going to be going up against the NFL first couple of weeks in when you're going to have your late playoff games in the NBA, finals gotta stay away from Sunday's Sunday night. Monday Thursday and try to sprinkle your product in accordingly. We'll take a break more phone calls coming up after this. 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No Home Court advantage no fans and teams go in there based on what kind of condition they're going to be in and what kind of Rhythm They can find in a short period of time. I get nervous with the rockets because I just don't know if harden is going to give it their take the way Russell Westbrook when Westbrook shoots over forty forty to forty five percent. That's. They win. He's he's a dangerous player. When he's able to shoot well now, he's not a good shooter. He's a score hardened shoot so much. He's a scores well. And he should be a better shooter than what he is. But the last two NBA postseasons that played under unique circumstances were lockout-shortened seasons, nine, hundred, ninety, nine, and Michael Jordan in one, thousand, nine, ninety, five Jordan, wasn't there. Those two factors made those two seasons feel a little bit more for grabs. According to CBS Sports Dot, com, nine, hundred, ninety nine. The Knicks were in eighth seed. They made it to the finals. That's the only time that ever happened. They lost. The Spurs nine, thousand, nine, hundred five. The rockets won. The title is a number six seed. Be Only time that that's ever happened. Rockets to me, you're always interesting, but they could be really good or really bad. That could be in the same game same series. Same, playoffs yeah, pull. You, said a couple of weeks ago that if they shortened series, it be good for the rockets. Because again they're shooting team. They get a couple Hawk Games. That could take away everything. And that's what I don't know. I love. It's small ball member. When the warriors had their death, lineup or lineup. Is that what it was called McLeod that deathl- deathly. In the rockets are going to have a starting lineup. Maybe the tall players. What six that's it! This is one of those you better adjust to us, you know we got to just you a little bit, but you have to adjust to us yet. Club I think is underrated. How close the rockets came to winning at all I mean they had the warriors. I think they have the championship Kinda DNA, but they haven't this into the warriors. Well Oklahoma City had golden state on the ropes is well same thing. Yeah, but you know you gotta be up great teams close you out, but the rockets to Mir interesting. I I'm always fascinated in watching them. Don't know if they can be consistent enough. To win. Yes mclovin so I've been thinking Mannix pick the sixers in the East Yup and a lot of my Phillie friends had been like they got. They can't play away from their home stadiums, so this could be a problem. I never understood that. Yeah, I don't either I if you're a pro. You should be able to play wherever you go. I mean the basket the court. The dimensions are all the same but worth. The the Celtics and Lakers teams dominant at home as well. Yeah, but they could travel the sixers. Kids shoot. That's why they can't travel. They can't hit a shot and I know that Mannix who covers the NBA for sports illustrated. He likes the sixers because they're a defensive minded team. We still have to be able to score. and. That's still a concern that I have. Are they consistent enough to be able to put up enough points? Everybody's putting up at least one hundred points now. This. Isn't you know the Greco Roman wrestling basketball where you know in the nineties with the Knicks where you get to eighty and new first team to eighty would win. Everybody's putting up one hundred. Hundred Five. Now in the playoffs will those numbers come down? Yeah, that'd be more of a half court offense and defense but I mean you could look at the sixers the way you do the rockets. They're kind of unique in their style, but I don't know. I just have my doubts about the chemistry of that team. It just feels like it's. It's not as smooth as you would want. With the two star players there. Yeah, Paulie here's some saucy. Three point stats. The sixers are the fourteenth best three point shooting team in the NBA shoot thirty six point two percent the Houston Rockets are the twenty third best shooting team. In the NBA. They shoot only thirty four and a half percent. Now they lead him volume. You know the worst percentage three point shooting team in the NBA, take a guess it. There's irony around it. I would've thought it was the rockets. The worst percentage is the Golden State Warriors. They are the worst three morning team tied with Atlanta and the best the Miami Heat. But that's this year. This year in Golden State doesn't have Klay Thompson, but it have steph curry passing how different it went! mclovin I would say Dallas early on in the season. Luca Danni checks rope like twenty three pointers a game. Volume Right yes. Bill Dallas is the eighth best three point shooting team in in this league. I mean Houston. If they're the highest volume that gives them a chance in this to bomb threes. Well, I mean they do it but I got to. You have to make them. It's one thing that you take. You if you're taking forty four a game, you got to help me out and make maybe eighteen. Fifteen that would be nice Jesse in Los Angeles. Jesse hunt for me to. have. A funny guys just mentioned that, but I was actually at that game seven when they missed twenty three straight threes, and that was the worst fourteen hundred dollars. I got I got really banged up the second half hundred collapse. On the NBA, though I'm still confused because sports illustrated instagram posts came out, and there's a plan tournament for two days, and I thought it was eight Games, and that leads me to my question. the whole point of this is I was up in my hometown of Sacramento, California this cost me, and he had a barbecue place with somebody county friends, and of course teams basketball comes up and I'm wondering. Is it time for us to Cowbell like are the kings back in the playoffs or Israel? 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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 2

Mornings with Keyshawn, Jorge & LZ

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ESPNLA Mornings with Keyshawn, LZ and Travis HR 2

"I don't remember. I I it was one. I can't think of the name of it though. So I'm not a doctor. That's why. Paging Dr Battaglia. That's why you didn't want to. As part of a lot of doctoring seems complicated. I don't I don't need that on all that. Dr all damn I thought I had a bright future. And then I I realized a little bit different than the way. I was playing doctor. Now, did she say it that imagine someone that people that'd be posturing doctors just imagine they don't you know, they'll know what they're doing. They just sitting around like acting as though their doctors and a union go in there, and they operate that's probably one of those things you should probably double check it. People fake being doctoral of operating people. Yeah. That idea channel versus show. Jay, you saw catch me if you can too many times. No, no. Right. I will show you during the break them and show you something about history you go trip trip. Watch to watch what I show you right here. Cocco noodle doing the morning. Ha same to you. So yeah, we went to a game on Friday night, watched him lose to the bucks. As though it was a tight game was tied. Everything was even the tight box that we were sitting in at some point time. So I took my kids my family more. I've Jennifer my two kids and family. Thank you. Of course, we are as we walked in. We saw Raj and Chris and everybody knows that the family and high and everybody, and so my kids want to get something to eat so Raj volunteered along with Jennifer to go five food for my kids who are hungry. There are six six and nine years old soon to be seven to nine starving to death. I had already told them we're not stopping we need to get to the game. We can't stop. We'll get something in a stadium and get something. Our goes by. They come back. There's no food. There's alcohol. You don't say oh alcohol. He was good alcohol though. No food. He was charged us. It makes you get some food. Oh, yeah. I got a full watch out, man. He leaves. They go away for forty five to an hour. Come back with alcohol. They don't walk around the whole damn arena. She told me went downstairs cheat bore because it was like twenty seven dollars. If you go down go down there. We got about fifty dollars worth of alcohol. You know, my girl right lethal as eat. Remember you? She hosted up. She's got hand. Yes. Even think about two two young kids. He wants more concerned about poisoning his sliver. It can I offer something here. This is your fault for trusting him to come back with a minute drive. This is your fault for look you don't send him to go take care of something like that. But I just assumed he would though to be honest. By topic came up about getting the kids food, and he was like can we work out? So that I go Raj. You should take Jen and go find it because I knew this would be an amazing bit. It is a bit because they regard for an hour, but goes everywhere. Food everyone in the suite was saying like has you seen Raj? Now, he's been gone for a little bit. It's okay. That we find believable. Yeah. Great drinks at a great price. And there is one problem there vegan. So. Yeah. It's a big a problem. I found food in about ten minutes down the stairs. I went down the stairs on one of the level found them phone. I got him vegan vegetable sushi Rothe. Oh, it was right before we took the group picture and speaking to the group picture, you might have seen on social media and Roger's gonna put it up at Keyshawn on Instagram right now. But if you see that group picture of all of his in the sweet, you know key. I gotta give you credit. You like those dinosaurs that can camouflage it can't be seen because you can't see you in the picture probably taking. In the picture because you came back for it to several of them. They all the same. Right, right. There's probably because you didn't have a flash where we did. With flashed on those for some reason missed you because I was pushed out on the edge. Because Chris was so why I haven't really can't buy diesel. You should play you play this game with your kids this morning on the way to school try to find Keyshawn, where's Keyshawn in the picture? And those who listeners that clearly foul me in the other group picture. I do not know the couple that you speak of. But they wanted to know us. Yeah. I think so it was looking for a team effort there. Travis. Where's this at? Sweet list. Well, what are you saw? Watching the game. No hard to miss. We gotta tell me this. This is not this is not safe for the year. How hard being no I'm saying you gotta tell me during the break. I will. I will. Well, I missed that. When you listen to ks p in Los Angeles. Yeah. You don't send him to get the food. And that never again, it'll never happen again. And it was so funny as I had a chance to actually sit and watch. Chris e which was. You really see our? Vour hungry. The case it is hungry and cold. Nicole thing about it is he lifted little thing up in. He stared them down for me. For the biggest one. Yeah. Like, he wasn't for sure people will watch anymore. He was looking for the biggest one, you know, how many he's going to take out. That's that is a problem right in that little buffet like the little things like do you take two or three because you know, you want you just go one at a time. Chris you're speaking my language right now. Yeah. You take you take more than one is the answer. Travis raw his kids up there too. I talked a little traffic hood. How do we family event? Just. I'll tell you what. Next time Travis I'm gonna take Travis out for a stroll. Next time we have samples. Yeah. That's Z. Unlike you, Sean, I know better come on. I know better. You're he got along great. We went on a straw. You. Put it to you this way. I answer a lot of very uncomfortable questions about the two of you on the right? Chris was stumbling almost fail on the two. A lot of questions cut, dad. What's going on with that guy? Dad? What's going on with that other guy? Oh, yeah. But you start like me, right. They want the truth or hurt your feelings. I don't care. All right. Did you guys see this which part kenley Jansen velocity is down but quote normal for spring. Have you ever heard somebody say that they've lost done perfect? What could be really good? Oh, yeah. Why not throwing his heart as I used to be down. Like, they said it. It's right where it is for spring. I mean, he may not look I don't play baseball. I mean, I didn't play baseball to the point. Green training. I played in high school that was enough butter. But in football when you were in training camp when you first get there, you're not going to one hundred ninety nine miles an hour, you build up to a certain point right in. And by the time you get to the regular season. You're in the shape in everything is clicking away. They're supposed to be same thing. Right. I mean anything so why can't velocity be down when he checks in the camp because his velocity was already down at the end of last season. Had he been throwing where he normally was when kenley Jansen is at his best. He's throwing somewhere in the mid nineties may be a little bit below that maybe ninety three ninety four. But when he's at his best and that cutters doing what it does. He was somewhere around there. And then at the end of that member I mean, you put yourself back in the last season all of the home runs. Get home run home run home run. He was just absolutely getting torched. And it was because the cutter wasn't cutting because he couldn't fail himself out. The velocity the way that he used to head. He been throwing hard at the end of last season. And just come into the season. And it's kind of ramping up than key. You'd be one hundred percent, right. But the problem is his velocity was down last year. And he's dropped a lot of weight to which I think for him is probably a good thing. He's a big guy, but he's down twenty five pounds. But the number he if he weighs I don't know what he wants. He's huge. He's like six foot seven if he's to eighty if he's to fifty five that's fine too. But it's the it's the number on the radar, unquote. The radar gun is overrated is what he said. Is it now when you're when you're getting guys out? I don't care what it says. But if you're not getting guys out, and it's dropped precipitously. Then we got a problem. Well, he's six five to fifty now. Sure is well that's what he says he's jock twenty five pounds because God twenty five twenty five, but you have to remember he changed his diet. He's doing more cardio and he had to because that was quote unquote, the doctor's orders. Remember, he had a second heart surgery. So I in two thousand one recently because he's big big bigger because he was seventy five pounds heavier. I mean, twenty five pounds heavier. Does that mean that he's posted throw harder? Physics acquaint half to you don't have to be heavy to throw. No, you gotta be strong. You have to be strong. You have to have good technique. You have to have the gift. Randy johnson. Randy Johnson wasn't huge means a skinny loose statement. He's six ten so he had all sorts of crazy levers to try to create Powell, and he was already when he's coming down who's halfway at the plate. Yeah. He was different animal altogether. Look, not these things are all fine. If you don't already have a bunch of red flags coming into it. If he's just if kenley Jansen was coming off a year where nobody could touch him. He was coming off the season he had three years ago, and he comes in down twenty five pounds and his MP h is lower. Whatever it, let's see. Let's wait. I would have the exact same approach that you're talking about key. But when you come down twenty five pounds after having health issues like yes after being ineffective the way that he was towards the end of the regular season, even the postseason. I'm even. Yeah. But by his standards. He was definitely inconsistent by his standard silver at all of that up together to where we are right now. And this is just an again, it's like Kershaw that it would be one thing if you came into camp saying we're going to ease into it. It's another if you have to keep stopping and going back to square one. It's a little bit is is at the end of the world. No. But it's another red flag on a very important piece of their team that you just coming into season. Like, okay, we gotta wait and see what that is. Well, he was inconsistent. In other words, there were certainly moments in which you look and go there he is. And then there are moments in which you're like what's going on. He had a very tricky season for a variety of reasons, he started off her remember have a hamstring that changed the way he delivered the ball that finally gives better. Go to Colorado has to help scare with his heart. Had a stay away for another two weeks comes back, but then they're still tinkering with his medication as he's trying to play and get back into playing shape. All these things led into us wondering what's going to happen with Kenny heading into the season. If he says, he feels fine. First of all, that's fantastic. Because hopefully, that means all the healthy things will there's a hamstring or the heart our way in review, and I I tend to listen to him when he says if last is down, but I'm feeling good. You know, because remember he was untouchable before so velocities down that makes him a top ten closer Texaco's to. Yeah. You know? We'll see. He was not. We'll see. All right. Let's try LA Habra this time. And Steve Steve you're on the morning show. What's going on? Steve. Hey, guys. Love the show. I gotta stick up. A rod. He's really not his job to feed keys kid. Go anywhere you feed your children. I'm going to an angel game. I feed the kids before we go or you go to leading course, you eat before you go the other going to be horrible. If before you go to day with little kids, you feed them keys. You know said Ron to do it. Steve. Stephen sprint. On St. first of all you. Absolutely, right. It's not his job to feed my kids. But when you volunteered it you're going to go all stay here key. Don't worry. I'm gonna go to the de or down to the concessions in. We'll go in and take care of it. And then you don't bring anything back but alcohol because you're too drunk to remember, there's a problem there on I remember, you know, there's a problem there. Steve that kind of your like if you were going to send L D Travis, you know, they've come back with food, and they do it. Right. But but Rajin Christmas or the last two guys. Do you have have absent absolutely lesson learned. That is the point that makes a lotta sense here because you could make the argument that it is it is it, isn't Rogers responsibility. But right up until you asked survived tears to do accepts that responsibility. But I agree with Steve keyword that you allowed him to mess. Is my fault for allowing teenager to adolescent, Betty, 'cause I don't know where he falls in our ad is trying to do such a thing. I'm very responsible Steve's to their Stevie still there. He's not. I'm very he says in about going to angel games or something like that. Yes. He okay. He lives in the harbor, which is near Anaheim stadium. That's over near Chris almost right? Yeah. We live five minutes from the city near and I'm standing we'll hovers kind of about twenty minutes away. Why are you laughing else? He doesn't like the angels didn't like angel stadium. Rewarding lot. Baseball this spring and summer right here. Great endorsement, I mean, we're not we're at a partnership Elsie. So we run a lot of angel games. We've been doing it for a while. We must be in a long distance relationship. Cause I ain't seen you in a minute. We'll this season since Travis is down in Orange County will and he used to work with the key. We'll do an angels night. How great. Like the best player mice. John is great. They haven't applied wiser patio out. There was a really good friend of mine is this a bit. No, it's fine. He's fine. Newman angels night this summer, we're gonna come to the OC. There's great little breweries now. Gastro breweries, and we'll do that. We'll do an angel site. Great for me to before mentioned of Philly. At that done before. More deal. Pony up at four hundred what? Yeah. But if he's a free agent he can go somewhere else. It'd be exciting. Do they still have that Otani guy? Well, hurt less heard. So she coming back. Yes. Well, we gotta picking Otani. Guess what? You Darvish says. He has his best stuff ever right now. Shouts out to you. Tell me. I don't I don't care if he throws ten years in a row. I'll never never forget. You. All right. The lakers. They did what I didn't even think they could do they lost to the sons. What are the odds? They get into the playoffs. Now, we'll come to you next. Makes you wanna just. Sit back. Look at the Lakers remaining schedule. Let Dinh's watched single tier drip down from that left. Eyeball. And just play the blues key. Display the booze. We're gonna have to give it a little more build up. Just keep going. You mean more please that he hasn't gotten to the hook yet. No. He ain't going to go. Here. We go. Komo now if you're. Only. Wait. We. Two. And that's where the Lakers this morning. I don't know why tonight or today, I should say is the poor. No, the loss of Phoenix. But when you lost a Memphis when you lost a New Orleans, and you lost the Cleveland when you lost to the Knicks when you lost all these Orlando twice. This is that that it finally happened against the sun's. No big surprise there team. Yeah. Team. You got a good team. Doesn't lose ten games too bad teams that just they don't you? Don't you might lose one or two ten but they play down to competition. They've been showing a satellite your they are though. But I don't believe that. That's what it is. I just believe that they're either not prepare to the point. They're not motivated. They're not inspired in this something that's going on there. And I can't much like Kuh said he can't put a finger on it doesn't know what it is. But clearly when I watched him play against Milwaukee the other night, then look like a real Laker team. Then look like a real teen for three quarters in the wheelchair. Ted. It did all of a sudden last minute and a half the two minutes. They just it was the the inbound pass they called the time out. They drew some all the time. What it was? But then there was a terrible passing it, right then. And there they just crumbled it the whole thing has crumbled wind coming out of the all star break the Lakers had their odds to make the playoffs where minus one ten okay, which which is about even money. So you better hundred to win one ten it it it's close to even money. Now there minus nine hundred they've a one point one percent chance of making the playoffs. And this is you can see this coming to mile away. And you watch that game against Phoenix. And it wasn't just that they lost a Phoenix. There was a bunch of moments in that game where and I'm not singling out. Lebron? It's just that he's the one that's the most memorable where he just came racing on the for a couple of really bad shots with about two and a half three minutes to go to the point where you almost had to double check the clock. Like m I see in this, right? And there's twenty seconds left on the shot clock. There's two and a half minutes left in the game. And he's just jacking up crazy shots. They were there were playing desperate in the wrong way. Not desperate like, hey, we got to win. But frantic almost. And a key. I'll go back to what you said that to me is as much about what's happening on the sidelines is what it is. It's happening on the court that when when you can't figure out anything on how to get any sort of sustained push to beat a bad team like that. That's as much on the coaching staff as it is the play. And I believe that strongly. I believe that there's a lot of that factors into the coaching staff. Whether it's the motivation is them to play whether they believe in what you're selling. What where is that? Or have. They basically lost trust in you. And basically mailed it in and said if we make it to the playoffs we'll make the playoffs, but we don't we don't. I mean that could very well be the case as well. They allow Phoenix league worst team to shoot fifty one percent from the field. The gave up sixty six points in the first half. And then open the third quarter of nineteen points. When you when you listen to that, and you go, oh, that's what they did against the Golden State Warriors. Like, oh, well, that makes sense the bucks all that make sense. But I guess a team that is trying to lose against a team that's being led by rookie. And what it third year player in Devon Booker against a team that for all intents of purposes, no one wants to go to because it's so poorly run in terms of ownership when you're this desperate to make the playoffs, and you go in and you basically get smacked around by the squad until a desperate fourth quarter. I'm just sitting here, and I just keep going to the coach the coach the coach the coach the coach I have not called from Luke Walton job before today pry, I don't know why you should ahead. And I know that they probably want to get to the end of the line for some sort of Clinton nudity to give him to finish the season. And all the things that you could kind of right up there that I'm there to see that. I I get the idea of you wanna let him finish what he started. But at some point when you're losing games. Like this two teams like this you guys, and I understand there's only nineteen games left. But at some point, I said, no, this is this is unacceptable. I know that it's not gonna change the final result that we're still going to miss the playoffs. I know that changing out at handing over the duties to the last night to give Brian Shaw or whoever they give it to probably doesn't change the result in getting in the playoffs. But I need everybody in this organization to know that this is not okay. This this level of performance against an opponent. Like that is unacceptable. Even if there's two games are five games are nineteen games left. This is not. All right. Well, they have to start off. Okay. So here's what I would do if I was a coach if I was in the building I will say everything else in the past push it binds, you this look forward to tonight. This worry about a team that you play twice starting tonight, the clippers or head of you in the standings for playoff spot. Let's take care of business with the clippers. That's not dwell on what we did in the past. Let's try to fix it tonight. Let's just trying to whatever that is one game at a time fix it tonight against the clippers. You got an opportunity to somewhat make you right by handling business tonight. Now, if you go out there, and you let MAs golf and Patrick Beverley. Chain guide zoo walks in in in Patrick Beverley, talk trash to you. It disrespect you that the level that they have been to Nestle. You man, look, that's all you. I'm gonna tell you right now zoo BAAs go eat he's to eat. Well, well, all the centers if you allow him to do so every who's gonna stop him all the centers that we've been facing? That's got any kind of apology available in a minute Powell. He's in Milwaukee. Oh, did he start with Mark yet? That's where he's gone. Yeah. When did that happen over the weekend? Oh, well so much for that. I missed that one is I'm just sitting here. Like, I I'm fully prepared for that. Big man, not just to have revenge but in terms of offense, he's a good offensive player. And we're really bad against authencity bigs key, you were talking about what royals a you mentioned, Kyle Kuzma and key. You're talking about Luke Walton in what Kyle Kuzma said, obviously, there's something wrong with this team. Not really sure right now what it is. Is that Luke it when he's talking about? There's something wrong. And I don't know what it is. Then you could tell he was frustrated after the game is that is that an indirect shot at the coach not too early for him too early for him to take shots at the coach. It's too early for him. He hasn't. He hasn't put his foot down enough yet. Even if the team is struggling even if he knows he's cook. Even if he knows he's on his way out you still can't stand. He doesn't seem like it wasn't. Roar. It was a, hey, look, we got something wrong with an I don't know what it is. Because if he doesn't know what it is that implies to me key that the head coach doesn't know what it is. And he's searching searching for answers is what he's doing. He doesn't know what to say somebody probably pose a question to him. Hey, what's wrong with the team? And he didn't he just says, I don't know. It's dry phone. Call Patrick in Pasadena. Patrick, you are on the morning show. In fact, he's sprint people's hotline. What's up Patrick? Span is always, but I'm gonna say this very quickly, and as nice as possible respect, everything you guys have been love your opinion completely wrong. We we were patient for four years. Five years brought in a coach that made our defensive atop. We're getting better better better than we signed a rookie GM and a president has never done this. We've made bad moves been taken advantage of or told her moves, you know, the trade because other people couldn't do do box. We gave away for nothing. We put a bit of bad route together, you think we're there's we're losing the sons, we think Tim stay when they lose to the Lakers. We're taking a knife to a gun fight and blaming everyone else. But the actual problem, which is we have a bad team on the floor and no end in sight. You will. I don't know about the no one inside part. I think that there is an end in sight. You still have a Braun you've got a ton of cap space. You've got a player Anthony Davis that reportedly would like to be in Ellen and that wasn't. And there wasn't a plan in place for twenty nineteen twenty twenty not twenty eighteen twenty nineteen the player was always thought to to go into next year and get another guy the pair will O'Brien after they missed out on two guys issue. Does bring up a good point though about the roster that you can't just gloss over that. That's part of the issues. Not the only issue. But it's part of the issue as well. I- Jeannie says that the media they're putting out fake news on the Lakers. Stephen a Smith had something to say about that. You'll hear it next this. Yes. Thirty years ago today. Your daily got sold out there. So there you go three feet high and rising was released thirty years ago today gotta seems longer for some reason it does. I don't know why it seems long. Men because his song as still still a banger. So doesn't feel like it's dated pluck one plus to me myself, and I. They're coming out with an album this year produced by gosh. They are are you doing a bit? No. They are they still okay. They got some. Okay, stuff that they're coming out. And they got some producers coming out with them this time. So. That's why I got such respect for j. It's so hard man, longevity and hip hop. Yeah. And jeopardy and relevance in music in general music in general. Yeah. I mean, just to I don't wanna say it's easy to have something pop because it's not, but to have a bunch of different things over the course of good luck with that. But it's hotter and hip hop. I think because they're always looking for the new thing the next thing and young and hip, and you know, and dangerous, and when you get older and his money and get comfortable, it's hard to be that. So you mean, if you're in a gated community, you can't talk life in the hood. Well, some people Will Smith. I was in a whole foods whole foods. I'm gonna try. All right Jeanie Buss was at a conference over the weekend Sloan the Sloan analytics conference. Yes. And she accused the media of perpetrating on this is nothing new but new for genie to say that there's fake news out there here. She is the biggest challenge for that. Are the fake news about how we were supposedly trading? Our entire roster for a certain player, which is completely not true. But those kind of. Those stories leaks leak out, and and it hurt it hurt. Our young players wasn't fair. Magic in front of that. And I think we're we're back on the right track. Hopefully that'll allow us to to make playoff push. Right. I mean up here playoff pushes dead in the water. How does she get ahead of it? I don't know. I that that didn't make a lot of sense. It's not fake news either. Because they're the reports that came out were were from people that don't just they're not bomb throwers. They're not just making stuff up. Sometimes people will get ahead of themselves and say some things or reports some things that aren't but the vast majority of people, then we'll never know exactly what was offered. But we knew that the Lakers were aggressively going after Anthony Davis prior to the trade deadline and that a package of multiple players had been offered. Now. What exactly that is what who knows in it almost doesn't even matter? But that that was being done. That's not fake news. They just didn't get it done. You know, she's she's operating in the tens of because you reporting something that makes me uncomfortable or your reporting something that can cause me harm. I'm going to save reports or false as opposed to deal with the ramifications of the harm and unfortunately for her this conference. Came much further pass the trade deadline because has she come out and said this in the midst of all of this, then maybe that would have had a different impact in the way that the young players felt about the season. But here we are in March, and these are now out there in a very public way. Well, you've had a home period. Linguistic young people didn't know the young people because they are kids, but they didn't know their future. So if it was as you want to call it a fake news. Then you get ahead of it. Yeah. Go to them. Go to look we're not doing that. Right. And that's not what happened here. Stephen a Smith responding to the fake news story. I wonder why we even paying attention to it. The fact that Matt is genie bus buses, a very, very lovely lady. And what have you but Magic Johnson's run a basketball operations. Magic Johnson is on record telling the player that they need to grow up. And they have to understand it. This is the business. Lebron James has been unapologetic publicly about his pursuit of Anthony Davis and everybody and their grandmother. Knew that the lake is basically said excuse me who do you want for Anthony Davis? No, they didn't literally offer the entire team. But they essentially said outside LeBron tell us what you want in terms of Iraq Stor, and you can have it. So we all know that that is the situation is Brian windows accurately reported and actually accurately stated that everybody knew what the story was Magic Johnson. And LeBron James didn't deny it. So genie Buss coming out and saying what she said we understand it. But this is the whole thing when she talked about it's not fair welfare as a place where they judge pigs. And I don't know if they do that at there's. So the fact that the matter is nobody cares. Okay. In the end, what it comes down to is that you have a roster that isn't that impressive. That hasn't looked at impressive. That has looked even worse since LeBron James has returned from his rent from his groin injury. We missed eighteen games did defenses horrid they can't shoot the three consistently. Don't get me started on three point shooting. And you could ask the question to me the big question. It is outside of LeBron who's worth keeping how about that story. Okay. Couple of things. Number one. The blind about judging pigs at the fares. Awesome. And be is he's right. This is all a smokescreen. This is all air cover to we put together a team. That's not very good. And whether she's covering magic, or rob or Luke or whoever it is. This is a team of guys that don't fit real well together that don't play row what really well together. And what he said at the end is how many people throughout the rest of the NBA are dying to get their hands on some of these Laker pieces. Maybe not nearly as many that we thought of earlier, and it's all of these things have brought us to this point that this fake. It doesn't matter. What your mix of guys is average at best and the results are showing it. Well, the the sum of the parts average. But I'll tell you why one particular piece in particular needs to be talked about a lot more and a lot more glowingly on the other side that's t's Chelsea. It's coming up. Blue's from traveler. I hit the wrong button. Frank. Honesty. You know, we're driving home from the Laker game on Friday night. My thirteen year old had a lot of questions about Kris. He was big fan of Chris. He really like he must've said, hey that one guy that was what he kept calling you. He's thirteen. I thought he was the fifteen year old one. No, he's thirteen. He's very tall. I said some inappropriate thing. I think all of my children are tall. They are tall. Yes. Daughters. Like all this. She five ten. Wow. Yeah. Volleyball tournament wreck track track track. Yes, she attract me, but my son Michael was repeatedly. So is he is that guy always liked that? He's funny. He's pretty funny. What the guy with the beard? He what's what's his like what what does he do? It is when I was I was impressed with the reach. We had with the listeners the second person Kay. How love you on the show. You know? Hey, a pump messiah peace with me. Labor's very. I said the same thing to me. It was very pro. Then he had other stuff with them. It's great. He was interesting while I don't want to give away his business. But anyway, l z the one guy that does not get talked about enough is Lonzo ball. You know, we just heard Stephen a talk about magic LeBron genie buzz. You know, we everybody wants to about Luke, you know, we're basically saying it's time to get fired. But the one thing that this late season collapse has illustrated is that he's a lot more important to this team success than what the stats sheet show that as as as wonderful as enemies can be the eyeball tests. Still is king. Could you can look at the numbers and find all kinds of things the point to to says, this is okay. This is bad. This is bad. This is good. But, but blah, but only your eyeballs can look and go they don't look right right coup. Says there's something off there's something wrong. It's Lonzo we consider this. He's missed last sixteen games since the gate. The great three ankle sprain. Right. They've gone five and eleven since he's been gone. The Lakers went six and eighteen without LeBron basically the same basically the same. So I'm not saying Lonzo as good as the. Lebron? But what I am saying is that clearly he brings something to the table that turns this team from a below foul hundred squad until the team that we saw in December that was grooving, and you had national media saying, they figured it out and yada, yada, yada. The injuries have played a role in this. I know we look at the team the roster construction, and we go where's the shooting? Where's this where I get all of that? But also know that Lonzo ball's presence on the court on both sides has been paramount for their success and without him. They are a mediocre team at best. Yeah. I this is there's no shade in this for me at all with Lonzo. And I think most people know where I stand, but he's he's an important part of what they do. And in never mind what he brings specifically on the offense of end or the defensive end or whatever to your point of view the eyeball test. I think is the ultimate validation of lonzo's value. Is it just looks differently? But and just to dumb it down completely Lonzo. When healthy just gives them a fourth competent body on the court. They're down to three I we're when we're talking with key about I get it. I get it that the other teams don't all have five all stars. But their fourth through seventh guy can come in the game. And at least hold the hold the tied, at least at least we were up by ten when they leave your up by eight or your, you know, you're up by seven that you when the this next wave of Lakers comes in. And it's not just the next week because two of them are out there with the other three guys you've got you've got LeBron coups Ma and Ingram who are all playing pretty well coups defense has been pretty bad of late. But you've got three guys out there that are capable solid NBA players. Bullock, hit and miss when he's writing up at the rest of it. They're nowhere. There were nowhere. And I don't care winners. You're getting if the other teams like, Milwaukee, they're NextWave guys they might be Caesar C pluses, but the Lakers aren't even throwing seasons C pluses out there they're inconsistent. And part of the reason why they're inconsistent is because. The rotations been so inconsistent. You know, take for instance, chevelle McGee you mentioned him early today. Jill played pretty damn good game against Phoenix was ten from ten from the field makes you wonder why he wasn't starting. Well, he wasn't starting. Because now we're doing some sort of version of small where coups is being asked to guard. You say his defense has been great as late. Why don't you try guard someone who's like five inches taller in about twenty to thirty pounds heavier than you? You know, we knew at the beginning of the season when he experimented with this. In the first two weeks that coups at the five wasn't ideal was part of the reason why we went out and got Tyson Chandler because our sides was an issue. A yet we keep rolling out this this variation of small ball. The and I'm not quite sure why I don't know if it's because you feel like you've just gotta have that offense in right away. I don't know if you can't tell one of the he the Brandon Ingram or coups you need to come off the bench to lead the bench. But for whatever reasons. It's hard to be consistent Travis when you don't know when you're going to play. And that to me is part of the problem is well knowing what the rotation is going to be knowing your definitive row. So that you can fit in there. Lebron tuck it after the Suns game that he's frustrated with the way that he individually has been playing is frustrating for me personally shoot a free throw me last. The ball. You know, we'll do the whole game tonight. I before from nine or whatever I was so for for individual part of it. That's frustrating for me to to. You know to mystery throws. But Berkeley group I know of the game to come down to those two freelance. That's for sure. But for me, personally, definitely could've played a lot better. You know about the whole game. It's it there's nobody in this run that is exempt from some level notices them in LeBron included. Lebron is is numbers are where they are historically but LeBron LeBron played really poorly in that fourth quarter. And it wasn't just the free throws. It was he he looked for a guy that's been around as long as he has. And his his smart as he is in a successful as he is. He looked frantic in those last couple of minutes of the game. Which is very unless like he was not into shot selection was bad. The pressure was bad. He threw that ball off the backboard, it was just a mental error in that spot that just everything about even LeBron James looks like it's less than well. They had a really good defensive scheme. And I think team was taken for a loop when they decided to start and guarding him. You know, Aidan did a fairly good job of funding him to a certain direction, whereas help was so if he if LeBron was beating him to the ram, which, you know, which he obviously was doing the scheme made it so that there was always someone there to greet him. And he shut the ball, you know, decent from three then not necessarily have the lights out. But I think eight and presence on him was a little bit of a shock, and the fact that he was able to kind of stick with them for a little bit and eat on the other side. I think also played into potteries might use frustrate it. We have breaking news, Raj. No, we do an involves the Lakers in Carmelo Anthony. Like to hear more. It's not that. No say, no, whoa, JR. Is reporting this as well. So you know, that's legit. Right. But you wanna hear here? Mike, I'm afraid of what I'm about to hear. But go ahead, the loss Angeles, Lakers and free agent. Carmelo Anthony are pausing possible contract agreements unless the franchise makes a turn back towards the pursuit of the Western Conference playoff contention. So wait what? Yeah. Well, let's get back into playoff picture there. Pausing. They wanna make sure they don't get in. I don't know if his home like, hey, I want to play for a playoff team or them saying like, hey, since we might not make the playoffs you might not need whatever help they think that he might offer. But I can't imagine that that Carmelo is Lou shopping playoff offers at this point Z, Bryce Harper. You don't know guys. I appreciate the split. I'm gonna hold out for a home layoff spot. I'm not sure what side is a wanting to hold off. And went to initiate, the the politics. Two token. Yeah, they still talking, but I will find out and let you guys know. So yeah. The people I'm gonna lie in less. You're gonna get Yoenis or Steph curry there is no player, you're adding at this point that's available. That is going to put you over the home. No, you're you're gonna have to get smoking. Hot over these last nineteen games. Almost to the point where you might be able to lose one or two more maybe three and sixteen three would have loved the way to end the season. Who may not get you in. Right. And so this there's no Carmelo add. There's no there's no ad period. Other than you're going to have to just get better, real, fast and illness inexplicably. So just you know what? Okay. We're good again. Good luck with that. They shut forty free throws Phoenix. It's too many. Yeah. But guess what? The foul count was. Twenty four to twenty two. So we did not suit forty free throws vein. They did what does that tell you? The number of times that we filed shooters was ridiculous. That to me is a coaching thing. That's a coke into strengthening. And it's also a player being situationally unaware thing. I mean, I guess, but as at a certain point, it's is it seems as if it's not a player. It's a voice. It's a voice they're not hearing. I know nuke has the exact same stat sheets that we have he's the forty free throws. He saw in twenty two files. Yeah. Nothing about what they're doing right now. Whether it's on the panther on the court is working out nothing. It should. I mean, they lost to the sons. What else do you want to say? I l z and Rosh they were part of Elliot sees great night last night. Plus roll-call coming up next.

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276: Bring It On, Haters, With Special Guest Ben Thompson

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276: Bring It On, Haters, With Special Guest Ben Thompson

"We're GONNA make people so angry on episode. Well just for the record it is it is seven six. AM At a holiday week. The kids are still in head and I insisted I'd be happy to wake up early because this is a very excited about this this episode which we've been it was funny because we'll get to it later but but I was actually confused when you when you posted because we'd been talking about for so long. I thought you'd already written about it. Oh no we'll have to get to it then We have some sad news though to talk about I. We have to to Obituaries to the to touch upon the one everybody assures heard about his Kobe. Bryant Lakers superstar. which I hate to say? Almost most underselling what he meant to basketball and the world at large died to pass away with his his thirteen year. Old Daughter in a helicopter after accident. Sunday afternoon. Just shocking and Clayton Christianson. We can talk about after Kobe guests. lost A. He was only sixty seven. which again me nowhere near as young as Kobe? Of course who is forty one but still just sixteen. That's how you know you're getting old is when you hear somebody died at sixty seven and you think oh too young when he died. He lost a battle with leukemia This week to actually I wrote about them in conjunction because because it was it was interesting because I plan to write about Christianson. Obviously it's been a huge impact on trajectory and on me and didn't really didn't know him but but still you know of anyone that's sort of been impactful on what I write about. He's certainly top of the list and figure that's sort of widely known in pretty widely revered in in Silicon Valley and what was interesting about it with within within the Kobe news happened. And what was the age thing. That was so striking to me because a lot of people that have died or in the older we get the more the people that are like. We're familiar with and it's just Kinda like something that that we have to deal with. The they still always seem so when I looked up to and you know a Christian to your point is sixty seven which is a unfortunately too young. But it's still you don't twenty eight years older than I am. And and you and it's like doc band that that's a shame I hope I live longer than that you know his family etc etc.. But it's still like in your the way they're like in your head is someone that's you look up to right where whereas Kobe Hughes the same age as me right I mean he's two years older and and so yes. You look up to we sort of ethnic accomplishments and you know. Kobe's is a very complex character. That is never far from mind. I think particularly people my age because of you know the the various sort of the allegations against him from Colorado. That's sort of like when you grew up within. That was what I remember high school I remember when he came to NBA. Remember when when the titles Shack Jack Remember when that trial sort of dominated you know the news I remember when when he came back to win the title again and it was much more of a Sam. Sam Kobe's peer but it's like my. My relationship with him is so much different than my wishes with Christianson neither am I knew but just because the the age was very different so is way more jarring for me like dramatically jarring. It's like this is like my contemporary. I'm a little bit in between I mean I'm forty six so Jordan's ten years older than me and Kobe was five years younger. So I'm a little closer in age. Koby but he always felt you know and it is one thing I know. I don't want to turn this into a sports episode of the show but one thing about being a sports fan is you're far more than other forms of knowing famous people like following politics closely or Like traditional celebrity news like like actors and actresses is your acutely aware of their age in your age you know like how old is Brad Pitt. I don't know I have no idea that God doesn't seem to age Tom Cruise. I mean Jesus Christ guy looks exactly this same as he did twenty years ago and can keep these guys can keep making the same sort of movies they used to make I mean Harrison. Ford Ford is making was still making action movies. I mean he looks as AIDS now but I mean they're still gonNA make a new Indiana Jones movie. You know what I mean like. Athletes don't get to do their thing when they're honestly pushing forty. You know it's A. It's it's a wonder that there are quarterbacks in the NFL or forty forty one forty two to still doing their thing basketball doesn't really work that way although somebody just saw somebody in the NBA is forty two. I'm still logging minutes but What Eh Vince Carter? Huge exception and through the NBA is in particular. Because it's so I mean the edges are so small as sort of athleticism like there's there's guys that are coming coming in the week now and they're coming in and it's like Oh he's twenty one years old like in that like reduces his value as a prospect him because he has like as a nineteen year old like those two years of potential development development. Make a big difference but then case is to your point. Yeah you're super aware of how everyone is because it's a critical part of evaluating you know their you another potential you know how much it should be paid etc etc and in yeah in like. They're like the prime of your career is like twenty seven to twenty nine years old and and and yeah and so the guys that guys sort of retire. It's like yeah they've been on the downsizing for a while you gotta know what's coming and and certainly we went through that with Bryant and And Yeah but but it's like it makes it almost more tragic in a way because it's like now now one hand it's like if I was put on Earth play basketball. He played basketball played. It well accomplish all you could accomplish. And that was that on the other hand you know he more than more than most athletes really seemed to be leaning into sort of you know his second act as totally and and he was so clearly you know for for you know again. Say what say what you will. And what needs to be said about his past who so clearly devoted to his family family and the reason the helicopter was because he wanted to be able to drive his school in the morning and pick up in the afternoon and the only way that was viable in Los Angeles so he he's been on thousands of helicopter rides and it's like Oh man it's it's rough. Yeah I saw. There's a just a heartbreaking clip I mean all of its bringing this tragic but there was a clip him on the Jimmy Kimmel show recently and I guess he has or had four daughters and one was born in tune but the one who's older second daughter was thirteen and she was the one who who died with them when the helicopter crash going to basketball game but he was talking to Jimmy Kimmel and I didn't see the initial context for the interview but it was basically that people keep coming up to him and say. Hey you got all these girls were you gotta keep going. You gotTa have a boy someone to carry on your legacy. You know. Have a have a boy and he was like. Hey I already got a kid is going to carry on my legacy. gee-gee you know his daughter and that she's really good at basketball. Ask Ball and that's the one that died with him and then I was watching some clips on twitter of her plan and man play she made as a thirteen year old. It's like Oh my God and there was this play where she stole the ball. I get a press and then like did like a spin move between two defenders and then like the nicest little easiest finger roll and it was like all my God that she's got you know she had it just tearing up as I think about it. I mean I'm not. I'm a sports fan. Certainly not a Lakers fan but man when somebody dies I mean. You don't have to root for the team to just your heart just goes out and you're a bigger basketball fan than me but man and you just Cobi meant to to that generation of players. It's just unbelievable. The lesson has been super super striking to me. Because for you and I it was Jordan. Great Jordan was the guy I mean just to do a rough analogy like Jordan was like the quake Christians and fervor me like where you look up to him like you grow up with him like he came in the week. You know what I was just I was just a kid and his dominant years in the nineties. I was in high school and so you know he was. Someone like US older alert like he was used their presence. My whole life like even like the bird and Johnson. You'll magic Johnson era like. That's probably would. They were for us. What Jordan was for meat like they were already there when I most remember them as a little kid well remembered the decline? I remember sort of their their prime. Yeah I was AH AT THE AGE difference. Is such that the bird magic. Dr J. era is little bit more for me. What Jordan was for you? But like burden Magic's rookie year was seventy nine or eighty. Eighty seventy nine dash eight. Maybe like where the eighty The one thousand nine hundred finals was the one where Kareem had the the killer migraine grain headache couldn't play magic. Who was point guard played center came into Philly and one huge game as the center when he played i? I mean it helps. When you're six nine you know you can just sub in for Kareem abdul-jabbar in the NBA Finals as point guard? The greatest players of all time but still it it. It just showed that he was there but nineteen eighty seven years old. I don't I don't frigging remember. I can't say so I. By the time I really understood basketball bird and magic magic in Dr J.. We're already guys. You know what I mean. They were just there they were just they were the NBA and Jordan was the first player at that level level. Like someone who's in the argument for best player of all time and who I still would say is the best player but somebody who was in that argument who I remember like being drafted rafted playing I remember Jordan playing college. I remember when Jordan was on the Olympic team with Bobby Knight as the coach and I remember I remember the one I mean again. I WanNa talk about Kobe but I just remember like as a seminal moment I remember the time this eighty eighty six. When Jordan had a knee injury missed ton of the regular season and played in the playoffs and lit the Celtics up for like sixty four points in a playoff game and the Celtics ended up? Want but bird bird said something after the bird was like the most competitive rotten son of a bitch whoever played sports and he was just like even though they hadn't finished Mr Series eight he was a yeah. He's the best player of all time which is not easy for those guys to say no not easy for Larry Bird deal. But that's the thing though is like the way we feel about Jordan in Burr. Or you feel about your bird magic. That's all the players today. Phil Kobe tonight. And so it's like when you see them so devastated and Th Th that all the guys like looked up to him and and And he was like he's like he's your favorite players favorite player. You the way to think about it and you can understand. It was like an age thing that makes me feel old right. It makes me feel all to see all these. NBA players that. I love to watch. But they're all at least ten years younger than me so of course Kobe's their guy in Jordan and I know all of these guys a exactly what you said. They're all he meant so much to all of these guys in so many of them say yeah. That's the guy who I watch and I was. Yeah I WANNA I wanna be in the NBA. One of the guys. Who stood out to me? I I mean they have so many comments. So many tearful interviews you know in the last few days but I- steph curry was talking by Steph curry and Steph said That the searing memory for him was that game or Kobe scored eighty and he's like look. I Know Wilt Chamberlain scored one hundred you know. But I can't relate to that you know Internet at the battle that might stand for ages but you know that was like nine hundred sixty one or something like that like these guys saw Kobe. Bryant score eighty points in a game. And that's like with Steph was saying saying like I saw it and it was like the modern game like I and I know now I'm in the League and I know what that means you know like I know how impossible that is to Iraq eighty points in a game and it's just unbelievable with the other thing. The other thing with him is I wasn't like wasn't a Kobe Fan. I've been you know. There's a particularly the waiters. You know he's notorious for you know he's GonNa get shots up. The modern game was a modern game relative to wilt but moderniser today's more space oriented three-pointer and did A bit more. You know a different different for sure. Yeah but I think the thing that you know what what mark's is sort of there's different levels of greatness greatness purina basketball sense like Tim Duncan I can probably from a pure basketball sense a better player more significant than Kobe but from a cultural sense from the holistic the nature of basketball where. It's not just about what happened on the court but the impact on those around on around you the entire media landscape the sort of expansive absolutely NBA to China is a huge part of this. Kobe was astronomically more important than Tim. Duncan as it's kind of like if you take a feeds and speeds approach to basketball you know the the sort of tactic idea like Tim. Duncan has better fees speeds relative to Kobe. Like sort historically speaking but you take a holistic view of all everything everything that goes into being a basketball player everything into being significant in meaningful like Kobe. Just just is so much bigger and and again I say that someone is not a Kobe family but a recognizes the fact that the the impact is is just Is is is is so huge if you could go back in time and draft either him or or Tim Duncan as the GM of a team and you and your goal is to win championships. I would take Tim Duncan in heartbeat. Although maybe maybe Kinda WanNa make sure you have pop to just interesting if you're if you're a market like San Antonio you're not getting millions of a million. If you're the Lakers you wanted to Kobe. You're the Lakers. Like your your like the Lakers. More than any franchise are absolutely about winning them. Like they're the winningest franchise in the history. But they're also about the show in the late. I mean I hate to say it. I hate the Lakers particularly the bucks fan. Losing you talk Jabbar. He was a buck and lost. Awesome to the Lakers. Because he wanted to go the big market. The bright lights and our inaugural isn't the greatest place for someone like him at that time in history But you know the the they're probably along with the Yankees or like North American sports the greatest franchise because they it they do it all they win and they're and they're like the star chocolate town. It's gotta be exactly. Yeah and I was GONNA say if you're if you're running a sneaker company and you WanNa sign you know rookie. Tim Duncan Rookie. Kobe Bryant to to deal you. You want Kobe. I don't even. I don't even know which sneaker company I don't no no either I don't I really don't whereas everybody knows Kobe was thanking the NBA whereas pretty sure is the most popular shoe. Something like thirty three percent or something. We're at work obese. which is crazy right for retired player? Just so sad really sad and then Christianson Winston Clayton Christianson now. I I don't know what's more likely. I know that people you know. There's a lot of people listen to the show don't know sports Maybe it's possible that there's more more people listening Clayton Christians. You know this is a very unique audience. But he's best known for his I would say I mean for his theory of disruption which. I should let you summarize because I know so the theory general is that you you know if the established sort of companies in the market they succeed by whistling to their customers and and at some point though they sort of like they they deliver a product. That is good enough for most customers at end. So they're in the pursuit of growth. They sort of follow listen to their most valuable customers and most demanding ending customers in the products they build become more and more powerful more and more feature filled and more and more expensive and what happens is a technological change enables some new new entrant to serve the same market but the new entrant like serves people that that don't need the big product that sort of different needs and they can't afforded the products and it's worse it's worse product in this worst product comes in and it builds up a base and starts to improve because it's the worst product improves much more rapidly than for the existing product and in its price. Because it's because of technology and IT started pulls in as capture solely go upmarket point more one where people until the incumbent is left with nothing but the highest and customers and the super complicated superstar product and this low end product sort of takes the entire market from underneath them. And and so you can sort of see the the allure here to technology because technological change is critical to to disruption if you're just a cheap product it's not a disruptive product because by the time you become as full featured as the existing product. You're the same price right. If you're the analogy I think is is commonly used as if your motel six. You're not disruptive to you know sort of the Ritz Carlton. If you wanted to actually provide the same level of service and product at the Ritz. Carlton did do you have to charge. As much as the Ritz. Carlton does your cheap. Because you do it for cheap product whereas airbnb is disruptive to Carlton Because Technological Change which is sort of a platform that that commodities trust. You don't need sort of the brand name. You can start delivering on different vectors. Having a kitchen having a yard having a different location all these sorts of things that actually make it competitive in a way that's impossible for a Ritz Carlton to respond in in Israel. One one fashion so to articulate this. This is something you know. And I I certainly feel this to. There's a big aspect aspect of writing about these sorts of things. Where is something that people are new to grasp on and what powerful as as someone sort of write it down and put it in writing? This is this is actually. There's a systematic way that this works again and again and I think that's what Christian did particularly for the first wave of technology like the key he wrote that in nineteen ninety seven which is sort of the the end of the era the beginning of the Internet era and it was a a sort of I think catalyzing moment for a lot of executives and venture capitalists. That's like Oh that's that makes sense we. I've seen this before. This is what keeps this is what keeps happening over and and over again. And this is the pattern I should look out for. That's right that's right and was interesting is Russian wrote it mostly for sort of existing. You know he worked at Harvard. Ever businesses who writes the for existing managers of existing companies but a VC's an exact tech executives took it as like marching orders. Right because they didn't want to look at being the income up did they go. We were trying to build the new entries the new entrance to these industries. You'll leveraging technology to have a sort of fundamental cost advantage going forward where we could deliver a crappier product that attracts users but over time becomes very competitive with them and beats them. Yeah and I think that he helped hoped system is in a very cogent way. Like there's a lot of people in that racket. Whatever you would call Paul what he did? WHO's writing I find impenetrable whereas I always found this stuff? I read of his very cogent very clear and I think what he helped his demise. Was this idea that what here to four. A lot of people had chalked up to a bunch of unrelated flukes. You know like you know The Japanese import cars coming in and taking over over the maybe not taking over the wrong word but certainly completely disrupting the US automobile market. I think is a prime example. I know one of his biggest case studies the steel industry and the way that In a lower cotton mills many mills. you know took the market out from under us. Steel and I think a lot of people looked at all these things as a series of flukes in the computer industry You know mainframes James went to microcomputers microcomputers terribly misnamed. Because they were huge with funny is a terrible terrible orde taming in general because the personal computer was terribly named as well right. The phones the personal computer right back. It's like a desktop. Big thing on your thing. I wrote that at one in time enough. I didn't do it. I sure wish I did that. I think I did. I think there was a daring fireball. PS One time. I was like one of my reviews of the iphone where I was like we blew it. We wasted the name personal computer. Because because this is the personal computer but microcomputers were don't micro compared to mainframes but you know and again over and over again this is a toy. These aren't serious. And then all of a sudden they put the other out of business and the personal computer came in and they were toys and they're not useful for anything real and they're for hobbyists and people with unkempt beards and then next thing you know nobody knows what are microcomputers and happens over and over again and they weren't flukes that this is a pattern. Yup I think that's exactly right. I mean the the. It's it's super interesting because it means a lot to me personally in part because a big with there's two parts with Christmas and I wrote a little bit of daily update this week like the first one was. I went to business school not because I really want to go to business school but because I was like an English teacher in Taiwan and it was the shortest fast route legitimate seniors job market and I might be like I. I just wanted to wait in to sort of US companies and thought you know I been grown up as a tech culture online or the NBA is worthless etc etc.. So I was very very sort of cynical going in and one thing was just one like being exposed to Christians. And they're like well. This is amazing. I didn't even realize you know how influential was intact. I read him until I got to business school. It's like it was sold to your point. It was so intuitive. And in what's so fascinating about. His insight is so many so many sort of strategic evaluations. And like you look at companies. Why do they do distill to while other dumb like actually know? These companies are filled with very smart people. And what was what was so interesting about disruption. As a whole I think is one of my biggest takeaways from it is the implication of it is managers can fail by doing exactly what they're supposed to do like th-they're their mistake. Quote quote unquote is serving their customers. Well and it's like well. That's what so so elegant about the theory. It's not saying that they're doing things wrong wrong. Is that by doing things right. They're putting themselves in an uncompetitive position if some sort of paradigm change comes along and you see this again. Given technology where the companies are dominant one area and like why do startup succeed in. Displacing them well because something. Fundamental in the core model shifts at the start up by virtue of being startup can adapt themselves to take advantage of in a way that existing company with tons of people resources. Can't and I think almost the Meta point where you're like. A cultural point in any cost structure point reveal locked into a way of doing business are unable to respond. It's what enables startups to succeeding. It's it's super just beat struggling companies. They beat successful companies. Why does that happen? Is that Matt. A point. I think is is interesting as well. So that was your I. I wrote about Christians and in business school saying why has apple not been disrupted and you know that was trying to sort of like put them together the things that about disruption in an apple success seemed to go counter to that but by the time I start check ARY which is a couple years later. I actually actually thought that because Richardson was very critical. The iphone is my phone sort of I was going to get to him. The possibilities right what he thought you know kills and go back to Saint Technology etc KC and I'm like no that's wrong and actually I actually wrote an article called Y Clay. Christensen is wrong. which was probably pretty combative combative? In retrospect but this is like a fresh blogger out of business school wind to make a name for himself and and so I was probably a little more progressive in my title than than I would be now but but it was. You know it's like I mean it's like Kobe. He wants to put Michael Jordan. He wants to beat them right. It's like the like me wanting to take that on was because he was such an intellectual euro for me that like the greatest honor I could do. It was was like going to take you out like I would say why this is wrong. And you're probably a bit audacious in brash. In retrospect but it was a testament to how much I looked up to him and his work that I would even think to write a piece called that. Yeah basically And I think he came around on this too and I think in a very interesting testing way and it just shows how intellectually his intellectual approach was the right way. which was that? He's you know to me. It's it's a huge thing. Are you willing to admit a mistake. One of the biggest things in the world and to me. It's I mean we could do a whole show about how the world's going to Helena handbasket. Because nobody's willing to reconsider their views news on anything but like I've always said the only way to be right. All the time is more or less to try to be right all the time. Be Smart enough to be right most of the time but be humble enough to recognize when you're wrong incorrect. It and if you can do that then you can come really close to being right all the time. But you've got to have that. That last part is important. Because you're going to be wrong. Sometimes I am no doubt about it but I thought his his analysis. The iphone was interesting was that and and if he might have been wrong even if apple had made the ipod phone that we had a lot of us had been expecting but basically he thought you know this is expensive coming in at the high end. Yes it's just you know it certainly innovative and ahead of the pack but that the pack is going to catch catch up and then everybody's just going to buy the mass market stuff and more more or less. The thing that happened to the MAC with the windows PCs would happen again. I don't think that's unfair summary. And I think even he acknowledged his mistake was that the iphone wasn't wasn't disruptive to the cell phone industry it was disruptive to the industry and they're the iphone wasn't a heavy-handed expensive over the top thing. It was pure disruptive theory it was lower end it was underpowered it it was smaller. It had this tiny little three and a half inch screen. It ran a cut down version of operating system. It only ran one APP on still. The only runs one APP on screen at a time and totally replaced so many hours of so many people's days that they used to spend on. PC's that's right and it's a perfect example of disruption and that's what's so ironic about it and you're right to his credit he. He admitted this later like the. Ah He was thinking about the iphone as being a phone right understandable because the name is iphone Yep and the whole point is that it wasn't a phone. It was a computer that happened to make phone calls us. And and once you realize it was a computer it was it's the epitome of of disruption and again because the other thing too is the way people use the iphone at the beginning. Gene was not to replace their computers. It started out by doing other stuff. In what's the point. These products start serving needs. That are not met by sort of the incumbent and then they add on they get better and then they start to take away from the incumbent and you end up with exactly what disruption theory predicts where guests at the very highest end. You still have things you can still only do on a PC and BC's actually over time have gotten you know more expensive particularly you know beak because the only ones using them or the most demanding users and the entire bottom and middle and part of the market is just been completely taken over over by the phone. Yeah absolutely just in terms of mindshare in terms of what what device do people upgrade more frequently only I mean people would just hold onto their pc now until frequent breaks. You know where people I'm not saying. You know famously. I I know that air year after year arid I I repeat myself all the time. That normal people don't upgrade their phones every year or even two years they they you know they spent they consider them very expensive purchases. They put them in tank like cases to protect them. Because they're so expensive and they do use them for multiple years but they look forward to getting a new phone right. It's a fun. It's it's a fun thing when you decide. Hey I'm going to get a new iphone eleven and wow look at us I get you know. Have this amazing. New Camera can do all this stuff. It's the screen's bigger bigger. It's so much brighter. And they're happy whereas people you know. Look forward to getting P. C. The way they look forward to like getting a microwave. It's like exactly right. Oh Wow what a pain in the ASS. I got to like. Take out of my cabinet. And I gotTA figure out if it's GonNa Fed and when the buttons I don't really like you know got dropped fifty eighteen new mouse if you're John Syracuse. Yeah exactly it's just a chore for Most People Whereas The phone something fun and Yeah Anyway I just thought that was really insightful. That he just totally he completely recognized his mistake and it wasn't like to fit. It wasn't like oh now I figured out a way to make it fit my famous theory. It was is that he figured out. You know as correct totally disrupted the PC. You know which will tie into something. 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Dastardly level is set up a cheating scandal and all he logged eight thousand two hundred pitches a from TV telecasts that are available online from the Astros. Twenty Seventeen nineteen series and created a website with all sorts of data about which batteries were getting these trash cans signals. It's just I. Ah something that I think is not clear to maybe non baseball fans. There was super interesting. I retrieve this last night but apparently Randy Johnson was tipping his pitches Throughout his career. He never knew until Eduardo Perez told about the ducks and ed all all cheater like no. That's not cheating right like picking up like this guy beyond second in looking on the catcher or batter observing pitcher super closely closely in figuring out what they're pitching smart baseball right. That's like and the difference with the Astros is using cameras and like phones. And you the the Boston Red Sox cruising apple watches it's using electronic means to do it because that is the problem after specifically after the commissioner the baseball sent a very curt letter to every team in the league. re-emphasizing League policy is that when it comes to signs dealing electronic electron devices of any kind are completely verboten over the line. They don't get into like the what you can pick up with your own eyes and maybe hand signals or whatever else you're doing without using electronics. The League just sort of. There's no rules about it. It's just sort of a grey zone own. Didn't acknowledge it but he's not a great zone it's like they don't mention you don't deal with the commissioner doesn't say that it's okay right commissioner doesn't say hey it's okay to steal signs with your eyes. It's just understood that it is because how else you know what else you almost couldn't ban it but they sent a letter this all. All this stuff happened after the league reemphasize what had already been on the books but just to make clear that electron of any kind wired wireless anything that's electrons electronic and everybody knows what to electron and what's not is banned and so. Yeah that's interesting. I didn't see that about Randy. Johnson Johnson. Yeah I'll Bet El Paso you actually funny the reason I found is because another former major leaguer re tweeted said it's totally true. Is Louis ECKERD Square square up against him. And what's amazing is like this. That's the sort of thing whereas probably fairly widely known like everyone. So so help was against Randy. Johnson that your day any tip you can get is going to help and he was still completely dominant. and which is which is goes to show what a dominant pitcher he was if he was actually actually typically pitches in was still striking. Guys outlay crazy. 'cause you're randy for those of you who don't know Randy Johnson was six foot. Ten was an enormously tall. He would have been taller basketball player. And in addition through excite arms or an three-quarter arm and was one of those tall. lanky fellows who you often do see him basketball like there's the famous Leonardo Da Vinci Picture of the human Typical typical per scale of human being. And I don't know I just assume everybody knows this but it's an interesting fact that most people have an arm span in other words. You put your arms outside. Decide from fingertip to fingertip is usually almost exactly as tall as you. Are you know in Leonardo Ardo. Drew a circle put a circle around a figure of a man with his arms straight out but sometimes there's a lot of basketball players who have arm span. That's even longer than they are tall even though they are tall. And you know it's a tremendous advantage in basketball to have a very long arm. Strength Randy Johnson was the one of those types so in in addition to being six foot ten which is really tall and therefore makes the ball come out at an angle. You're not used to and the fact that he threw sidearm which is weird and made the ball. It seemed like it was coming out of the side of the mound. His arms were so long that it was any would take a long stride towards the plate. It was almost like he threw harder than most pitches pitchers because he was so long in his arms for so long it was like it was like he got to start four feet. Closer to you. It was coming from the side. If your left hand pitcher in particular is like coming from behind in your head you've probably seen because it was back in the era before interleague play so the National League players didn't really get to see American league. Players Much Randy Johnson was an American can league pitcher but John Crock phillies Philadelphia phillies first baseman. In the All Star game against do you receive that at-bat Yup absolutely just this. He's like he's like nope any all star game. I'll have to put a clip of it in the show notes because it really shows you how. How crazy scary was as a pitcher? You think about your in there. It's already sort of terrified that these guys coming in one hundred miles per hour Eczema Eczema he would throw one hundred and it's literally coming from behind your head like John John Crook. Would it look like if I was up there batting against any major league pitcher I would be terrified leaning back diving out of diving backwards out out of the box. Anyway I got to put a link in to the show notes about this website. Where this guy obsessively documented eighty eighty two hundred pitches pitches over the season? I just I. I'm always fascinated by anybody obsessive about anything but this particular and and again extra points for him being an Astros Fan. What else did I want to talk about? Follow up I guess I don't have a lot more to say Glenn. I last week really went deep on on the whole iphone. I cloud encryption thing so we don't have a lot to follow up on that. I guess the one point I wanNA make SORTA Kinda need to write about about it just to clarify is and I think that this is a little bit apples. Fault to is tossing around the word word encryption and what's encrypted and what's not because it's at this point it isn't useful to clarifying what the point is of this whole thing with with I cloud because everything is encrypted in transit. Everything you do with I cloud from whatever your devices whether it's a I phone IPAD MAC in between your device and the cloud servers. That apple runs. In on the network everything is encrypted everything you do on disk. On the cloud servers everything is encrypted in some way except for email and emails an exception. Because that's just the way I map email works and I had a link to Jeff Dunkin article from years ago explaining why it's complicated but it it more or less long story. Short is because email was invented. The very the prehistoric days of the Internet when everything was nothing was encrypted and everything was stored in plain text files on disk and e mails like the one aspect of that prehistoric Internet. That still with with us. And we'll probably always be with us and it's just the nature of it that that's how email works does can't be encrypted so have you ever if you're going to commit crimes don't coordinate co-develop them don't email about him because even if you do the thing and I don't want to go on a side note about you see. I don't WanNa get emails people telling me about like. PGP We're what you can do is email someone where the text of the email is encrypted because even then even if you use something like PGP to who encrypt the text of your email the headers the header files of the email can't be encrypted. There's no way to encrypt the whole thing. And so like okay. The contents of an email can dan being corrupted. But it's a huge pain in the ASS. Almost nobody does it Email isn't really meant to be used that way and anybody who subpoenas your email or has access conceal the headers anyway and they can see that you were emailing less Parnasse or whoever whoever it was your emailing so don't don't use email for crime Or anything you don't really anything. You really feel like needs to be secret but anyway the point I want to make apple in crypts so email aside for good reason season everything. The apple stores on Disk Cloud is quote unquote encrypted issue is not what's encrypted on. What's not the issue is who who can decrypt? What's there and there's two types? There's the types of stuff that they store that only you. The user can decrypt crypt using your device keys and your personal password and then there's the stuff that both you can decrypt of of course and the stuff that apple has its own key for and can decrypt and cloud. Backups are in that latter category. Sorry were apple has a key to them and the good part of it is if you or more likely probably if you listen to the show probably not you you but someone you know forgets their cloud password. And they're they leave their iphone in a cab or gets run over by a car or something and gets destroyed now. There iphone is destroyed and they go to buy a new iphone and the only backup they have is there. I cloud backup and they. They don't know they're I cloud password. What happens well you can go to the apple store and I actually don't know exactly what a couple of people ask me like? What what did they do to confirm that? You're you like so that JOE random the've can't go into an apple store and say hey I'm John Gruber I I need to Uh get my club backup. I don't know what they do. I guess they hopefully they ask for I D and not actually not sure I wish I did know exactly what they did to verify but anyway you can if you somehow convince them you are who you are they can decrypt your eye cloud backup and restore it to a new iphone and you don't lose anything. The downside of that is that you know law enforcement around the world can issue a subpoena say downside downside from a privacy privacy perspective upside some way which is why. It's a debate for solving crimes. If you actually are criminal they can subpoena apple. An apple can provide them. I'm with the contents of your decrypted. I cloud backup. So that's the whole issue. Who can decrypt it? Just you or you and Apple. Yeah that's right and a few. I think that that's a that was a good articulation of of this. You and I had you you pointed out at the end like the there are are like there is good news at apple can do that is right there is this is something I thought a little a walk. The Celtics have facebook at facebook. Talking about encrypting like Messenger and and and by default and their stuff like that and you know there is a No question about child sexual abuse material online and one thing that comes up is that there's way more instance of it in measured and there's what's up and the question is is that because people are more evil in the various on Messenger than their. What's APP or is it because what's APP is already in an encrypted which means no one actually knows what's going through what's up whereas Mr is not and and again they to your point I think particularly in our court our quarter of the Internet where more people know who clay Christensen is that WHO Kobe? Bryant is There's a tendency to I think over index on one side is posed the other and say that obviously should be this way. When like like there's real questions here and again that doesn't mean your your position is wrong but I think those of us that you know I I would say I'm a little no more towards the middle but I've absolutely strong encryption? I believe there should be no backdoors etc.. I think by at least acknowledging and appreciating those that that come from a different perspective you can make stronger argument for that position and so. I think that that's an important thing to call out. Yeah you have to acknowledge anybody. Who's WHO's a good actor and and has both being honest and as knowledgeable about the entire situation has to acknowledge either way when matter whether you're on the side of we really did apple should maintain these keys and provide them to law enforcement went subpoenaed for good reason? Or if you're on the side that apple should switch Aikawa backups to be truly end to end encrypted. Where only the user has the key to do it? You have to at least acknowledge either way that there are are significant trade offs. You have to if you don't you're you're either being dishonest or you're you're you're ignorant right and you're not GonNa win the argument right. I think I actually think the most compelling argument and I made this a few years ago with the San Bernardino you know in case for winning this argument with sort of the. US government is the you know the US government itself has an interest in encryption. Being strong and easy to use for neuro people because the US government has more secrets and more value value than anyone really from an industrial perspective. Right like the most valuable. Ip in one of the most the strongest military in the world is United States. It follows lows that the United States has more of an interest in strong encryption than basically anyone else and and and because the keys do get out keys escaping the. There's there's evidence of this again and again and again back door is is available to both the good guys and the bad guys in his usually found by the bad guys first I and the and so. There's a very sort of utilitarian argument to be made in favor of encryption. That's not just a you know privacy. Good government the bad sort of approach and I actually would would would get the industry further as far as politically speaking than sort of pure sort of like you title privacy principle based approach from a winning hearts and minds of perspective. I don't think Glen on and I am made this super clear. The other thing I think is worth making super clears from an apple perspective to other things. I message in particular. And then your your key chain and the Keychain keychain your key chain if you use the cloud keychain sinking sinks completely outside of the cloud backup system and is done in in a way where only your keys can decrypt. It and apple doesn't have it so if the FBI went to apple and had a subpoena for everything they have about you. One thing they wouldn't get is your your key chain. They would not get all. They wouldn't get any of your keychain I message passage is in a weird nether zone where message from the get-go it has. It was an I. I heard this way back when it was new like you. You know when jobs announced it famously. We're going to know and I guess it was facetime. He said he's GONNA open source. I message but within a year or two of my message was introduced. I was talking to someone that apple who said that they had a very simple idea. It would be like SMS except you know some kind of cross between SMS. In like a messenger. Remember that I do. An apple had an aim client. They had I TAT which didn't supported supported protocols other than aim to It would be a replacement for SMS and instant messaging and it would use your our phone number and your Apple Id. And or I guess I should say your Apple. Id as a unique identifier for you. The fact that it uses your phone oh number would allow it to seamlessly replace. SMS for iphone iphone communication because it would default like whereas if you and I had been SMS-ING SMS-ING together from your iphone my iphone and then we upgraded to the version of West. I had I message. Our communication would just go right to message message and we'd get blue bubbles instead of green ones would continue without knowing other than the fact that our bubble color at changed but we would no longer be limited by the technical limits of SMS and perhaps APPs the cost limits because back then the which sounds ridiculous. Some people were still paying like ten cents. SMS or had like a five hundred sms a month limit or something like that and then the other thing just the other than the one other thing in that initial brief on what should it be was it should be encrypted in such a way. That apple cannot ever see the contents of anybody's I messages and then you know it was a here. That's that's what did they told the engineering team. They sit here. Go build it but right from the get-go before when it was just an idea on a whiteboard one of the things right up there with let's replace SMS for. I phoned iphone communication was. Let's design this in such a way that we cannot technically ever see the contents of anybody's message and I think the the Fox your point though I if few and now they did like I must is in the cloud and all that sort of thing or or whatever they still maintained that approach where if fully encrypted but if you have I cloud backups turned on right. This is this this is the problem. Can access the backups right. I cloud in. The cloud is every bit as secure message message message in cloud it. It remains only decrypt using your device. Keys the the asterisk is that your Your you're I message key is stored in your cloud backup for your backup. Contains it in theory. Apple could change. I message to work like keychain and even with even if they keep the I cloud backups encrypted in a way apple is the key they could and I believe should change. I message so that the key isn't in your eye cloud backup and the downside to that would be if you're one of these users and apparent. I heard from a bunch of people like people who work as geniuses in the stores wars and people who's had friends and family who've encountered it it truly is a common problem on a daily basis. Somebody said like I listened to the podcast said that they were just in getting one of their Apple products serviced and while they were waiting for the genius to go in the back and run the diagnostics. Three different people came name and their genius. Problem was that they couldn't access their cloud backup. He said he couldn't believe it. Because it was you know he's reading during fireball and listening to my podcast and other podcasting casten. It's a hot topic and literally. While he was at the genius counter three people came up and needed access to the cloud. Backups and they didn't other password definitely a common problem. The downside would be those people wouldn't be able to access their archive of messages. You know you'd you would you'd you'd have to start over which which which seems a reasonable thing to give up and yeah yeah and I think most people sort of see there. I messages sort of transient. So I kind of feel like that's sort of a hopefully regardless of what apple plans to do with the club backups. And who has the keys. I really think they should move. I message into that because I think it's a good idea for privacy and I also think it would meet people's expectations for privacy with high message in the cloud. It's interesting because what are the reasons that that one I still wants. More access from apple is actually not necessarily I messages messages. Because to your point they can often be gotten to through. I cloud backups but other encrypted programs like what's up or or signal or things along those lines where they want to turn on the phone because they do need actually bad sort of access like what what what that is more secure than I message for this reason because You like it only goes via your device right and you notice this now wanNA use. What's APP on your on your computer you? It has to go through through your device. Yeah but I it. Does it has to go through your device to like your desktop thing is like sort of just a proxy to your phone. But your your iphone backups. Up still contains whatever. I want that backups. And I have to say. That's how they got Paul Manafort there was committing crimes on his phone and thought he was being smart using whatsapp because ending scripted. They got because they they they got his eye cloud backup. I laughed because I really don't like the guy in well. It's it's I think it's really interesting though from from sort of a balanced perspective because the What's the one thing in why you could use your? You're right to draw that distinction so if you WANNA use use like signal or something right you WanNa be you if you wanted to not have those issues and so you have a choice. As a user user to figure out what's the right software to use that is truly encrypted right. But what's the one thing you really can't control. You can't control like the the hardware itself is the hardware down to the very root is it. Is it secure and so i. I think there's an argument to be made that Apple. All is actually in a very reasonable position where the one part of the entire sort of system that users can't control is the hardware. Where itself is the hardware itself secure or not they can make choices about what cloud services they use? What what messaging services they use and so you can structure a truly secure secure messaging environment on your phone if you make all the right choices but also because apple made the phone truly secure and so? I think there's actually an argument. That apple is actually exactly where they should be right now where it is possible to be truly secure. But apple's not necessarily going to do all the work for you and I know that there's there's some that's probably why why what's APP. It's is less secure than single too. It's not because facebook wants to use the information to snoop on your ads like it's not. It's not actually wouldn't be useful anyway. Facebook camp can't see the stuff but they also sort of can be responsible corporate corporate citizens as it were in a way that you know is not necessarily a burden nor should it be for a signal is and I think it's reasonable compromise compromised because the bad guys are going to figure it out the sort of dumb bad guys that sort of do crimes effort are not necessarily gonNA figure it out and they can get caught but also the people that truly need a secure environment that can that can figure out. You can understand this. They can be truly secure as well right and and so I think whatever your position on apple and the I call backup point or facebook. And what's happened those sorts of things the fact that matters. There's only one piece in here that users can't can't make a choice about and that is the phone and that is the part. Where apple has you know done? Put your huge efforts to make it truly secure and so we're well we're we can go back and forth in this middle area. I think apple deserves acknowledgement for taking care of the one part. That is a user cannot take care of. Yeah I totally agree agree and I. I think it's a so the the way that you can if you really concerned about it whether it's because you're committing committing crimes or really if and the second part is much more reasonable if it just is your the nature of your personality that you are not comfortable with apple having a key to your backed up data totally reasonable. I know I just know I know people who listen to the show and I know the sort of people who read daring fireball. There's a lot of you out there. Totally reasonable position. And if you want your irs life to be completely under your control all you should stop using cloud backup and if you do WanNa backup your device which you probably do. You can still back up to your MAC or PC Through items or now in ten point five you do it through the finder. But it's the same you look at it. It's the same interface to us to see an items and make sure you put a password on your backup which then and then you can think that backup via back blazers. Whatever I service you WANNA use so you can have sort of cloud backups and and you you know what I think? That's totally reason. Right like the order. Arguing argue about default. Because even if dropbox Cepeda it's it's it's an encrypted filed that you need the password to get into and I think we're already about defaults gear right the the reality is is thanks to apple's work. On the phone you can live fully encrypted life. Is it a little more inconvenient. It is right but like that's the trade off right and I think it's reasonable to have that trade off you. You know I was thinking about this when you said that you were talking about email and how sort of fundamentally insecure and I you know my business built on email in some respect right in what what is attractive about it is. It is a fee that people check every day that I can get into for free right. I don't need to pay facebook. Gatekeeper or whatever it might be to get access to people all the email is open and free and there's a like that's part of the trade off is it's because e mail is opened an insecure that it is actually accessible market for someone like me for example or that it's available anywhere and everywhere on any device wake and that's just the way these things work the more encryption. You want the more defaults you not always. There's societal issue there's a walled garden issue right. The the more we put things the more you lock things down by definition the West interoperability. You're going to have the the the West. You're going to be able to sort of exchange data across different platforms the more you're actually going to strengthen apples or strengthen facebook smart and so if you care about competition you're actually the these encryption questions are actually there's another trade off to think about and and it's okay again. I just. I hate absolutism absolutism on any of this in any direction because there's reasonable trade offs to make and I think we're in a good spot because you can go all the way when when it comes to encryption but you don't have to and and designing the default and that's fine because as long as it's possible I feel pretty good about things. Yeah and again like you pointed out you you can still get cloud based backup with your I call them. I tunes backups. But that includes the final one for Catalina but the I tunes backup that is Zong worth over Wifi to right so you don't you don't even like you don't even need to necessarily plug in your phone everyday. Could just be when you come home every evening and it does the backup in the background right and you. So you know you kind of elite. Even if you're doing that you kind of need to double check at once in a while because just make sure it's still doing. You don't WanNa be the guy who forgot that when you got a new macbook macbook pro. You never never made sure that was still working again. And you haven't backed up for thirteen months or something like that. I mean that is the advantage to cloud backup is it just bust happens. Automatically every night as your iphone is connected to a charger even with the WIFI backup. You need like you said you have some personal responsibility ability to make sure it's working but that's the trade off but you can store that backup us back Blazer dropbox or something and there's there's nothing that can help nobody can even when it's in dropbox or or even I caught you can even put it in a cloud drive. You know you just can't use cloud backup and the other other things that I think is a little counterintuitive touched on it a couple of minutes ago but if you're only backing up via your I tunes backup with a password word you can also use. I message in the cloud in a completely secure way. Because what's your up. I called backups. Then the longer 'cause that I you know I don't WanNA use the word back door but that like asterisk for somebody to get into your eye message in cloud. Wow this is because the key is stored in your cloud backup. And if if you don't have an I cloud backup. They don't have a way to get that Ki- I guess the other hole hole in that that you should think about if you're if you're doing crimes is okay. You've turned off I cloud backup and you're only encrypting to your MAC or pc with a password. They're only you know but anybody you're communicating with by message. If they're using I cloud backup and the feds know you're collaborating with them. They can subpoena their backup and see your end the messages because they're backing it up to cloud so there is that to keep in mind but it's good I basically. It's good to know how all this works and before the last month or so. I didn't even know how all this worked and I know oh just based on my reading that lots and lots of readers didn't know how it worked on. A lot of people were very surprised to find out that apple has a key to your eye cloud backup and again. I don't think it's US willy. Nilly I I don't know the process. I'm not quite sure everything they do to verify your id but it's not like I do think that on their side ride in. I cloud there is some sort of process and a logging like hopefully I hope you know. There's no way for a rogue apple employees to spy on ex partner or something like that or stalk them or something like that you know that there's some kind of Log of Apple Employees Access to these keys to do it but the fact that you don't know that we don't know how that works is one of the reasons why emphasize that it's perfectly reasonable for someone to say. I don't want any any part of this. If they can access my data. Yeah that's accurate last night. At least I wanted to emphasize I think I was wrong about it or service ambiguous. But there's this whole thing where to get on your device if law enforcement or criminal or snoop or somebody has your iphone and they want to use one of these devices I guess mostly law enforcement but one of these grey key devices or the celebrate thing where they jailbreak the phone on and then try to brute force password circumventing the ten guests limit. Everything goes through the secure enclave and the big limiting factor. There's there's a key in the secure enclave that is part of the encryption. So there's no way to go around it. It's not like it's hard to understand. I can't profess that I understand it. Perfectly perfectly but I understand the idea that one of the keys that encrypt everything on your device is part of it is your password or your passcode. Whatever you WANNA call call it but other another part is a unique hardware key in the secure enclave that there's no way around it without that key mathematically and there's an eighty millisecond per gas time that's eight hundreds of a second so roughly twelve guesses is would get it to like ninety six point nine six of a second so roughly twelve guesses? The second is the limit that the thing that I think I was ambiguous. US about writing about it on daring fireball is that the eighty millisecond thing isn't like an if statement in code where it's like okay. There was a guess. And and then the next guest comes in and there's like if eighty milliseconds of past okay process it but if not wait and that somehow that could be hacked to to either be longer Like make it three seconds or in the case of someone trying to crack the phone you know set it to zero and then process them as fast as they can. It's not like that it. Is I ninety eight percent. Sure that the eighty millisecond thing is actually mathematically produced. It's there are what it is is the there is a hardware key. The thing that the enclave is. It's actually a processor right. Party like a mini computer internet computer and it has its own software by the way also and so this actually has a couple implications because the the the the you're right it tangles a key that has burned into your phone when the when the phone is produced and is undiscovered. If like and so it's burned your phone. It's tangled with your pass. Your pass code to create like a hash to encrypt all this sort of stuff and what happens is is is the way that it's entangled to sort of untangle it mathematically requires it's meant to be a super inefficient yes sort of calculation so it can't be done fashiony mills or eight hundred or whatever it is literally takes that long and so it's not to your point. It's not a software thing it's like. It's a math. I think it would really can't be done faster than than than it. That are wrong it takes. It's an algorithm apple deliberately chose because it would take eighty milliseconds on the processor processor that's built into the the secure enclave. There's no way around it. So the interesting thing that the byproduct of that is the average time it takes for like one of these devices that has access jail broken access to the computer that can talk to the secure enclave computer computer and tried to make guesses as fast as it can with this twelve twelve guests per second. How what's the average time it would take? I guess a pass code of different length so you can just multiply how many characters are involved Raised to the power of how many of them there are. So if you just have Numeric passcode zero through nine four digits. That's ten to the power of four possible combinations. Great it's ten thousand zero zero zero zero two nine nine nine nine and the average time you divide that by two and take guests guests that if you're guessing all of them half the time you're going to guess one that's before you get halfway. Through the average time it would take to guess. Four digit numeric numeric. Pass Code seven minutes. Six numbers is eleven hours. So those are the. That's the default option now feud by a new iphone into set up from scratch. Apple's going through the the wizard. Whatever you WANNA call it? When you start up basically steers you towards six digit numeric pass code It only takes eleven hours for one of these devices to guess it at that eighty milliseconds per second and double it go to twenty two hours and you'll exhaust the entire space so a maximum of twenty two hours eight digits if you go custom forty six days and then a ten digit pass code twelve years. So that's pretty big digit but you can do Alpha numeric codes so then you're right dramatically increasing the space because now it's thirty six possible characters though. No no actually. And if you go upper case now you're up to sixty two and if you just count a handful of punctuation characters like underscores hyphens ends and periods. You know you can get up to sixty four sixty five sixty six characters so just you know. These are numbers from Jack. Nicholas from the Times but I did you know you can. You can do the math yourself like I said if you just count sixty six character. Space Fifty two letters upper case lower case ten digits and Dash underscore period and comma or the hash down or something or a space. Space is easy to type and often good. For memorizing you know passcodes four character Alpha numeric seven days six characters seventy two years. That's on average hundred forty four years to exhaust the whole thing and eight eight characters just eight characters upper case lower case digits not even counting punctuation two hundred seventy six thousand years. So so there's there's nothing applicant about it. This is like the. I was so exhausted. Researching this with a sandbar deal thing and I realized this this time because we've been talking about it too. There's actually more stop stuff has changed since then. Two and one thing that's changed is what is done in the enclave. And what's done via the Os and and the OS still controls the white the phone after X. number of tests and that's the big thing that they want to raise the other thing that I found out actually I wasn't clear on this and and and and and and apple actually about this was the the there is because it's a serum flavor. It's like a mini computer in your computer right people. We'll think about as being sort of safe but like we're dealing with the computer right and what. It is is a mini computer with its own processor effectively but I mean it has its own software. That's actually different different from the US software and that software can be updated update the software and the secure enclave. However you do need the password to update the software swear and so the the So tech theoretically you could update the software and the secure enclave. New still can't escape the mathematical reality reality of of Yasser Decryption. This you could but if you wanted to maybe move. The data to a different device that's faster et Cetera. That's still limited by. You would still need to change your software on this wave itself and that is limited by your passcode dope. Basically Apple has made it so it has to be because of its entangled with with that in that that hardware on on the device it has to be done on the device which is mathematically limited to eighty milliseconds. Oh seconds and so if you make an Alpha numeric password of you know x number of characters it doesn't matter what the FBI does what apple does basically squeezed breakable. Yeah and so the I opening lesson from that is something. I'd never really heard before and I will say until two weeks ago. I had been using six digit numeric passcode code on my iphone IPAD. Ever since six digits became available and before that I was using four digits Partly out of laziness partly out live a perfectly reasonable and I'm not trying to say I'm virtuous that it's actually just. I'm very boring. There's nothing there's not a lot on my phone on that. That would be terribly upsetting for me if a thief cracked it and got. I mean especially without my keychain chain right it's still wouldn't get you into You know like my daring fireball server account or something like that just because you got into my phone i. I don't think I would relish it. I hope nobody does but my thinking until recently was six. Digit passcode is good enough for me. But when I saw these numbers burs and saw the you know could be cracked in eleven hours on average. Twenty two at the Max. I thought you know what I should do. The right thing and switch to Alpha numeric type A passcode. But the thing that to me. I want to emphasize. I think it's a good tip is when you think about this. Eighty millisecond limit. What we all know about picking good pass? Phrases doesn't really apply to this like an eight character for most uses when we're picking a new password for an online account. Everybody you know that a lot of places this is won't even let you take an eight character pass code because they say it's not long enough eight characters as long as you're using like upper case lower case in a digit or punctuation actuation mark. You're literally talking hundreds of thousands of years to crack you can pick. You don't have to sacrifice. A ton of convenience is is what I'm trying to say and pick fifteen to twenty character. Pass Code with a couple of punks. You know where and where. You're typing it on the phone. You're shifting between all of these keyboards you know. It makes it all the harder to type and you can't see what you've tight because they're coming up bullets so if you make a Typo it's Oh you know you're you're typing it over and over again. You can err on the side of a very convenient pass phrase that you wouldn't ordinarily use for most things and literally we have your phone be secured for one hundred thousand years of cracking attempts. You know eight or nine characters and you're really good really good good right. Because those those passcodes generally like they're running them on like supercomputers right and that's why they have to be super long incorrect. And then they can they can like eighty milliseconds. It sounds like a small amount of time in computer world. It's just an astronomically long amount of time that that right we used to your advantage adage. Yeah and the. I'll just repeat something Glenn emphasized but it's worth a memory but is that asterisk so long as you don't pick a dictionary word where the dictionary isn't necessarily like the scrabble dictionary but like common dictionary of people's common passwords like P A S S W W Zero R D. Don't use that one because they're going to any smart cracker is going to run through commonly used passwords like that before they start guessing by iterating through all possible combinations. So as long as you pick something that you can memorize and isn't a commonly I used word or a password or your firstborn child's birth date in numbers with slashes. You are good for hundreds of thousands the years and you do not need. It's in fact counterproductive. You're just wasting typing and thumbs in your time by picking a twenty character pass phrase that you would use if you were setting up a new account online this phone password specifically why your your device pass code and I have to say. Now that that I've changed mine to an Alpha numeric. I have to say now it. It really has become clear how seldom I have to enter it really. It really does not come up very often often. I had to do it today because I just upgraded to the new. There's a new dot release and so I had to type it on type it to allow the update to install in type. It wants the phone on restarted and I was like I haven't typed this days. 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They tell the beginning of the show but I never had a po box. I don't know what they've got over there in Taiwan I don't I don't in Taiwan I do have one in the US. Yeah I've never had add one and I've always wanted one because you know you know I run a business and people want to send me things in it. You know. You're always you know I'm a private person. I want to send out my my home address to to anybody. I live in the city. There's post offices nearby does not really inconvenient. Why don't they have a po box? I put it off for years years now years and years in Europe and I broke down I went and got it turns out with the way you get one. Is You have to go to the web. I you got to go to the. USPS DOT com you sign up for a Po box. You'd say which post office do you wanted. And what size. And then you can prepay right there over the web. And then they tell you print these two forms and in one form comes in when you print it it already has all your info. It's Nice refills. A whole bunch of stuff like your name and your address and Some kind of code. That verifies that you've paid then you gotta go Odier Post Office with these forms and two forms of ID and then they give you the Po box. So I go over there today. This is a saw. The saw the pedestrians with at their medical masks freaked me out and I immediately started thinking. Well where's the number one place where you could pick up. The virus probably frequent post office. I go in there. And there's no align feels like I've already won the Jackpot right how many times in the US you don't really go to the post office. See No line no line but there's only one person from behind the counter. How's this possible so I walked right up? Got My paperwork I got my. ID takes more time than I would think given all this paperwork pre filled old more time than I would think to process but I wait and she says all right I gotta go find a key she disappears in the back and meanwhile one or two people people now gotten in line behind me still nobody else working minutes pass and I admit several minutes pass more people get in line. I hear the Jingling of keys behind wherever she's gone behind her. I hear keys jingling. Nothing finally you know people start talking to me. Hey what what's going on you know. What are we all waiting for? It and I said I get a Po box. And you're like well. Why where'd she go and I said she said she had to get a key? I was you know I'm starting to feel self conscious. Basically Right 'cause I'm holding them up even though I don't really I think this is my fault. I feel like going to the post office for A. Po box is a perfectly reasonable thing to do. I start looking around and you can see the PO boxes. And I start sort of mentally guessing. How many they have it looks to me? As though they have at least a thousand I would guess if I had to. You know guessing jelly beans in a jar to win a raffle or something like that. I would guess S.. Maybe they have to post off. Po Boxes doesn't seem like an unusual thing to do. And then at this point I looked at my watch and ten minutes past ten four minutes I still hear keys jingling back there and now and thankfully flee I will say to my fellow Philadelphian. Were there in line. I feeling I'm feeling very self conscious. Every single person was nothing. But kind everybody's laughing and joking. Nobody leave nobody was soured by this. But I have to say I felt very self conscious about the whole thing comes out and says I couldn't find a key I'M GONNA have to change the locks on a box it. She's like so come back tomorrow. That's where I left it. Ah Well be but she gave me the keys. She gave the keys to the lock that they were going to put on the box. So I have keys to a Po box but I don't have a Po box anyway. That's that's that's that was my afternoon. Oh what are you what we we should dig into IPAD. What do you think well? Yeah time to start the show. Yeah time to start the show hour and a half in yesterday or not yesterday. Two days days ago was the ten year anniversary of the the event were Steve. Jobs introduced the IPAD and the fraud. Have you tend to nice round number lots and lots of people memory remembering what it was like that day with the press. who were there? People posting their original reviews is people saying where they think the IPAD stands and I got I. I use it as an opportunity to get a lot off my chest and and like you said you and I have talked about this privately many times and it's almost to the point where it's almost like one of the reasons like and there were a couple of people who are like whereas this rant been. Why why did it take you so long to write this? I've been thinking the same thing for so long and part of it. I've got notes for a lot of complaints about the IPAD and the director's commentary of daring. Fireball aspect of the show is that I've been meaning to write deeply critical pieces deeply critical piece about the state of the IPAD software for well over a year and having wire than that. We've we've been. We've been talking about this furrow. Is that when you finally posted like. Didn't you already posted. This is it. We've been talking privately about this particular thing income for ages and the pathology of it in in my the weird parts of my brain is I've been thinking of it as a massive of like four or five six thousand word epoch during fireball. Post where I get it all out at once in a single narrative that makes complete sense. Winston convinces everybody from Tim. Cook on down that yes. This is all right we should change it all and here it is. It's a home run was hit out of the park and I started writing about the ten year anniversary IPAD. And I was like you know what I I should just break the ice on this and just get the highest level part of it off my chest and I could do it in a couple of hundred words and then just do the rest and follow up pieces and why the hell did it take me three years to figure that out that that would be much more effective way for me to actually get this off my chest and it was funny because I wrote about it as well building on top of you and you could tell you because someone posts was on twitter like Oh could have what John all the fun like like no actually I said something cryptic and response but the truth is you you. You're like okay. I've got this started. Can you please come in and dump on top of it. So that was I like I did as a sort of an email daily update first and then switched to being a public post which which is more. It's interesting to your point right to make something of public posts is like it feels so much weightier and more difficult than his dashing email together and then you like so switching from one desk together is not right but like when you write Larry Daily Update for subscribers by definition. They're people who have been reading me for a while and they kind of already know wearing coming from uncertain issues and so you can presume a certain sort of like a a a as opposed to like when you're writing a public article might be the first I article they read on your site and you WanNa be much more. Had everything wrapped up in a bow and Elvis things together but I felt the same way as you is like Like once you've written it. I'm like a bike. I've been wide to say all this stuff too. So I'm just I'm jumping on and it's going to be out there and we're gonNA podcasts about it so it might as well make it public so here we are and to say that reaction was mixed is an understatement. I would almost say it was so by expected it though it was so bifurcated gated and I got more yes. I agree with this here here. Finally somebody is saying what I've been trying to say sort of reactions but I've also I also got A bunch of your desire just an old old guy who loves the MAC and you don't get it sort of things Couple of them. They all mentioned the word old and part of that is a frustration. It's just human nature but I find it deeply frustrating in in this aspect of human nature. Everybody is drawn towards and I do feel like our society and Internet. Culture has only added a lot of fuel to the fire of this natural impulse to make everything black or white binary it is the greatest thing ever or it is a total total pieces of steaming. Garbage everything you know. What what do you think of the rises of skywalker? Great Great Star Wars movie. I love it or it is J.J. Abrams should be put in prison. He's you know this is awful. This is the worst movie ever made. Right that's what people are drawn to that how Internet reactions have gone. And despite the fact that I emphasized that the ipad is a beloved something I like something I use every day. Something that I realized. There's a lot of people. It's their most beloved personal computing device. And they're very effective and efficient with something that I called great even but also has serious flaws it you have to be willing to accept nuance in. My criticism of the IPAD. Did Not Register with people who love the IPAD or at least. It's so it's so true it I'll verify like you are one of the heaviest ipad users that I that I know personally like you're like this is not a like if if I'm doing this more about it in many respects I actually use it west before but but not just to your point. What people's stroke were neither of us are saying thing if they failed product is what it? It's not everything it could have been right and this is one of the hardest. I get this. I know exactly what you're talking about. It's like you have to look at something. Not as it is but what it as it could be and it's okay to recognize recognize and Bemoan that there's some sort of potential or some sort of possibility that was perhaps not reached. Yeah and I am self professed professed Mac person and probably always will be an even in the hypothetical universe where the IPAD ten years in was much closer to its potential attention of where it could be ten years in still probably would be a MAC person but I would rather be in that world because has I'd rather have it be a fair fight whereas the things that really frustrate me about the IPAD a fair fight compared to the MAC and I don't see how anybody could deny and I do. I don't want to generalize. I really don't but I I to to put apple we'll computing users into three buckets and I realized that lots and lots of them are are in all three or at least two but there's iphone on users and there's ipad users and there's Mac users and again I'm all three lots of people are almost. Everybody has an iphone. There's very few apple people in the apple ecosystem. Madonna's least have an iphone if maybe it's their only device or maybe it's the one thing they have in addition to a MAC or an ipad but people who use use the iphone is so I'm not saying that there are three different groups but I'm just saying people use the iphone will complain about aspects of the iphone interface Mac users. We've been complaining in about the Mac all along like nobody's nobody is a bigger and more astute critic and loves to complain about aspects of the Mac going going back to one thousand nine hundred eighty four then people who love the Mac the most the people who love the Mac the most are the most astute critics of everything. That's wrong about the the MAC look at John Syracuse epic ars Technica reviews of it and which would talk about new features and and when they were confusing or wrong or or slow or whatever he was the one who who wrote the most words about them ipad users not all Federico Vitucci to his credit. Who is who is probably the most efficient ipad user? I've ever heard of as built his entire super productive person who does writes all you know thousands and thousands of words a weakened does podcasts. And does all this work on his IPAD and shares his his his techniques and shortcuts. And stuff like that to his readers. You know a lot of what he write about his at the Meta level of how to be a IPAD power user is also a fully acknowledges. Some of the things that I'm talking about shortcomings so they are certainly not everybody. That's what I mean about not generalizing but boy. Oh boy are. There are a lot of people people out there who love their ipads use it as their primary computing device and do not want to hear one bad word about it. There is a sort of emperor's new clothes aspect to it where they're like. Hey these people who are the emperor has no is N- buck naked. They're just haters haters. Well I think it's interesting because you get this with apple just sort of yes. Yeah where where where apple is part of people's like there's no order company where people who have twitter handles that includes the company's logo in them right. There's there's an aspect of apple that ties into people's identity like they're an apple person and I think think that is taken to eleven when it comes to the IPAD right. If you're an IPAD person like your that is like that's what you do. You have have made this commitment. You made your wife. You're living in the future. You're not an old fogy using using a Mac or pc and it's and it's not something that you do sort of like it. I don't know it were a real danger and reading online. You have to learn as an author very early. Is that your twitter. commenters are not your record readership right. It's a it's a fraction of the fraction but I think there is an aspect where you all the things that you and I both. The the case for for Apple Fans is just double the case when it comes to being sort of a- bad person. Yeah like if you run a restaurant that people who want to speak to the manager. They aren't necessarily indicative the entire Clientele of the restaurant. But we would. But it's funny because there's arguing that sort of makes the point right like what. Why would it be part of your identity if it's something that's super accessible and easy for us right there? There's an athlete where it is special special to use the IPAD for all of your computing and the reason it's special is our entire point. It should be so special to be more broadly accessible. Yeah absolutely should be and I really do find it hard. I think that the only one of the reasons that we find ourselves in this situation and ten years in is that I think there has to be a contingent within apple that is in within apple. Who is the same way who thinks this is? This is fine. You know because look at ourselves. We're selling ten eleven twelve million things every quarter quarter after quarter. And you know there's so many things to love about it and that these other things they must be fine and they're not fine there. There's some of these things are truly screwed up and my one of the things. I devoted attention to my piece. This week is the multitasking interface. And I tried to make it clear. I think it was clear. It doesn't seem like people were Confused but when I talk about multitasking with IPAD. What I mean is putting two APPS onscreen at a time? It is in the user interface sense of seeing two things at a time whether great side-by-side APPs or slide over or side by side with slide over somebody a couple of people pointed out that my you can show to only two APPS at a time is wrong. Because you're GONNA have to APPS onscreen with split-screen what's green and then do a slide over. You know all right you got me. I think that's what I mean by multitasking. I don't mean it in the computer science sense because you know we've had multi quote unquote multitasking in computer science sense of multiple processes running on the IPAD. All along there's always been background processes running to get new male or to have incoming ESA answer phone calls answered and stuff like that so the full multitask tasks in in sort of technological sense right. That's not what you're referring split-screen stuff putting two APPS. Onscreen at a time is in my opinion a fiasco I really and and part of me procrastinated on getting this off my chest because I like I said I I I wanted to do you too much once in one epic piece. I wanted to hit one baseball. That literally went out of Yankee Stadium. Not just knock a couple of singles up the middle over a period couple of days and scores from a couple of games. which is what I think I should have done in going to try to do going forward? But it's it's it's it's bad. It's confusing and I I I mean I got so many responses from people who I know are smart really smart technical users people who a germs Awadi who wrote literally wrote like the O'Reilly book on SQL. Like was I. I had no idea how to I. I had no idea you could get to APPs on screen at once. I mean really smart people who either didn't know how to do it or like like me sometimes get into it and don't know how to get out of it like God forbid you end up with two instances safari with two different sets of tabs and then my God it's like where the hell is the one that's open open it's like Oh there's two versions of safari now reminds me of like the old versions of windows windows. Three you'd Click Excel. And then accelerates running and if you click the excel L. icon again. It doesn't open excel. It would open another instance of excel and you can have multiple documents in both instances and it's like that was a good idea. Well that's the IPAD. The IPAD does that. You can have like two completely different instances that you can't get together and if you connect a hardware keyboard and you you hit command tab. It acts like it's a MAC or a windows computer and just shows one icon for every APP. That's running and you go to safari. But you've two instances this is of Bari running in your ipad spaces which one comes forward will toss a coin. Because I can't figure out what the heuristic is and there's no way to get to the other one via command tap. It's it is really confusing. I mentioned my mom who has somehow. I don't know what exactly she's done. It typically involves involves male. I think for the most part my mom uses. She uses right pat a lot. Let me just emphasize that in a house with an I mac. My Dad's more than I mak guy. I think he likes having the big screen. My mom really loves her IPAD. I mean just really really loves it. She's thrives on it she does there's more computing than she did before. Just for the record seventy four years old very smart but not technically inclined at all sort of defensive about her. Lack lack of technical inclination is always afraid that she's broken something when she first called me with this problem she was convinced she broke her ipad because she'd go to mail and now ah mail was side by side with safari in a little skinny iphone size window. Didn't know how to get out of it I explained how she could drag the the divider to make mail full screen again. But then every time she'd just tap Lincoln Mail it would open again in the in split-screen Safari and she shoos. She was confused and didn't get out of it and it's very very difficult thing to talk somebody through on the phone much more difficult than any MAC thing I've ever talked her through. Prove in fifteen twenty years of talking my mom through any kind of problem over the like. They've made it harder to do this now. Like when you drag an icon out of your doc on the Mac back you have to drag it a lot further away before it'll poof vanish. You know if you just drag I think by default it might be impossible. I can't remember now. You have to if you drag it really far away it'll poof away but in the old days if you just dragged it out of the dock like one of your saved icons like I want this I want safari always in my doc. Well you mouse and not an expert mouse user. Maybe or my dad did it you know drag instead of clicking safari clicked and held a little bit then move the mouse and and safari pooped out of the dock and then from my parents perspective. If it's not in the doc it's gone right like phone call. Dad deleted safari sorry. I could talk them through that though right I could talk them through like using spotlight or something to get safari and just drag it back into the dock and narratives. I could talk her through it on the phone talking. Somebody like my mom through this split screen stuff is madness. Because there's one of the things I didn't mention mentioned but I want to write about is the fact that it's all gesture based almost all and there's no visual onscreen controls controls. Just think about like in on the MAC with windows and I'm not saying that patch of drag -able windows that overlap but I think they could learn and some stuff from the Mac so in a Mac. If you have to what happier in and you have a window open. How do you close it? Or there's a red button up in the upper left hand corner and if you click that red button that window closes and everybody knows it. Nobody doesn't know it and it doesn't matter what happier in there's a red button up there and you can click that button and close it. And yes I know that you can switch to the graphite Damon it'll be gray buttons and I've run in graphite mode over the years on and off but but normal people don't even know that's possible would never want to run in the graphite mode word to grade. There's always a red button you can click. It closes the window. How do you close one of these split screen? Panel's good luck sometimes. You can drag the divider if it's on the left you can't you can't just close it. It's crazy anyway anyway. The good news about this is after my mom actually read the thing on daring fireball. And then you know. She saw that. I mentioned her. She called me up and she said I guess what I figured it out because one thing I yeah I guess I knew this and I forgot it. There is in fact a setting on the IPAD. And it's not inaccessibility and the fact that it's not an accessibility to me is sort of like a tacit admission that this multitasking stuff can be confusing. You can go to settings and then what's it called. Let me make sure I get right. Settings a UH home screen and dock and then you hit multitasking and you can just allow multiple APPs. You can just turn it off. She figured that Out on her own. And then once you turn that off you can't do slide over or split screen multitasking. Just doesn't happen and For me one of the big advantages manages to that is when you're in safari and you tap and hold a link and there's like a context menu that comes up and what I WANNA do is tap open in new tab but when you have allow multiple APPs on right next to open a new TAB is opened a new window and you say you can accidentally tap that because one finger with the away and now all of a sudden you're stuck with two instances of safari anyway. My mom figured it out on her own and turn that off and wanted me to let everybody know that she's she's no longer bedeviled by split-screen IPAD multitasking. Because she turned it off just getting like and just think about the fact that on the MAC nobody ever wants to turn off the ability to show to APPs at the same time nobody did. Nobody's ever been bedevilled by the fact that there's a safari window peeking out behind your mail window. Nobody's ever been bedevilled or confused by this. Nobody ever wants were. I sure wish I could turn that off so what I did to sort of follow up on this sort of think about how you know how how we got got to this point right like why is it that that apple win this direction. And you know the You go back to the beginning. This is why the ten year yeah ten year period was a great time to look back. You go back. And think about the way that jobs talked about the IPAD and what it was positioned as and you. You know there is this the IPAD was the IT W- It all it is. Is the screen right. It is the sort of the essence of of a computer. Peter you know. A Johnson like naked robotic core. Like this is the this is what it is and it was so transformational and impressive because is it becomes whatever you want it to be. And in a way that a MAC never can write the cheer point that there's going to be a lot of chrome on a MAC browser but all the all all the infrastructure in detriment of the sort of user interfaces is always there and it needs to always be there because that's how you manage sort of the complexity of what you can accomplish on the Mac whereas the ipad is something completely different the ipad it becomes a music studio it becomes a at any application becomes becomes a drawing surface like which is remains my biggest use case for the IPAD. Do the drawings of on it it becomes a writing rather are there use cases I've watched MBA Games on it and this is a this is such a powerful. Powerful concept is distinctly different than what a MAC is. It's a MAC is a tool for for doing different. Things in ipad is a not an allusion. What's the word I'm looking for? A chameleon like or it becomes. Whatever the thing that you're doing is and this and what the reason why we'll we'll get to how we got there in a moment? But the reason why I think the multitasking idea and model on the IPAD is fundamentally flawed is it imposes the the the the chrome the detriment of the operating system onto a surface. That ought to be a transformative shape. Changing sort of thing right in and you lose you lose that you lose the ability for an IPAD to change what it is is because you're imposing this sort of stuff on top of it that doesn't make sense in the context of of that of that sort of view of it. Yeah but I'll acknowledge I'll I will acknowledge because people keep saying one of the responses is well. I use the split screen thing I use my ipad all day. It's my main computer here and I love the split screen. Not Nobody's defended the actual interface. Nobody has said it's a fantastic interface forgetting to APPs on screen at once. They just said they love the capability because they do use it. They love having their notes open next to video. They're watching a video and they're taking notes on the video Jio 'cause they can split screen it or something like that. I get that and I do think it should be possible but I think I just think it should be possible in a way where it is. It should be super easy and obvious how you get back to one thing at a time that transforms the device. You you emphasized in your piece the garage band demo. which wasn't from the original IPAD event? It was the IPAD to event one year later and it was the one of jobs as last on stage appearances that he he was a ww DC then which was his last onstage appearance but the garage band demo really was an nap. I didn't I just haven't had time. I did a lot of writing. I didn't sit down to watch the whole IPAD intro again i. It's on my list for something to do this week. Maybe the weekend but I did watch that and I do have to say man. I do remember being blown away by that that garage band demo from the the one year in thing was really really interesting totally counter to that narrative that runs to this day that it's a device for consumption not for creation and the point. You made that was so great. Is the garage band on. IPAD was immersive and transformed the device in a way that garage band from Mac never could just by the definite. You know like it just all of a sudden. The IPAD is a piano right. It doesn't look like a piano and in Utah. You use a mouse to click keys or you type keys on a physical A keyboard and it simulates piano keys it just turns into piano keys when you touch them and they go down and it makes music it. It was incredible and like the I mean we can get into the moment I actually. I would go much further than you. I I think that the even having the sort of multitask capability on the IPAD is a mistake in what we're talking about. So that's what I was thinking. We're kind of racial. Take just to follow up on this the your people. There's a lot of pushback on the APP AD is for creation consumption if you go back and watch the first one. It's clearly framed as device. Right the like N- jobs literally sat on a couch for the Demo Because D.. Wanted to emphasize that is more of a lay back. Lean back sort of experience as opposed to a lean forward that your desk p Mack experience and so it's not a and for good reason. It's an amazing consumption device. Right the ITO four again. I use it all the time time for fraud sports like the. That's what I you know international so I watch it through we pass and lb that TV. In whatever. And I do on the IPAD. It's great for that and you can take it with you and it's a great experience. We're having a larger screen. Your phone is really super desirable. Because you wanna see things clearly You know the kids watch netflix YouTube. Or whatever on it's it's an amazing experience and it remains that and I think as far as we can tell that is what even even today ten years on the vast majority of ipads are used for. And so I it's not I think there was. There was a sense for a while. Where you the People radio apple were sort of defensive about the IPAD being called a consumption device but actually that's what it is right really like first and foremost and that was there on on day one and it's embraced so far crossed the line I mean? MLB has always been at a technical level ahead of the other sports leagues in the US. I don't know why maybe because they were in decline in popularity. You know and it is the start you know it's the oldest sport But like the MLB team you know as the ones they they were the ones who solve the problem like when HBO. I tried to started trying to stream video and servers burst into flames by people. Trying to watch game of thrones. They went to the A. B. Team and the MLB team where the ones who figured out how to stream it and then Disney bought that business from MLB. Because I actually think that the technology probably is at at the heart of a Disney. Plus now that I think about it hadn't really thought of it is no Disney acquired them. Yeah it's it's it's it's it's very strong technology. It it really is and if impressed by the fact that Disney plus launched with all this fanfare and went off seamlessly and you just hit play on man delorean and it just comes up and plays. It's thanks to technology they acquired heard from MLB. Yeah it's really yeah. It was pretty sure that that are at the heart of that really really really strong technology leading leads. The industry. I mean is up there. I man no. Netflix is great too. But it's it's like you. You talked to Net Flix engineers and they will say yeah the only other streaming technology worth a crap is is is is the the it's called Bam tech now. What was Bam baseball advanced media or something like that but they just want because it's no longer just baseball it's yeah Bam tech the NBA culturally is certainly far ahead of the other leagues in terms of being up to date and embracing social media? I mean a MBA. Twitter is like no other sports twitter. And we do all show on that and I know you probably spend twelve hours a day on with your no Tech Ben twitter account on it So it's not surprising to me that the NBA va also has a really good streaming. Experience Dole IPAD. Three experience is terrible. We'll try try. Try But the one that blows me away is that the NFL has really embraced it. And part of it is that I have a cable subscription. Still and I've registered but I watched an awful lot of NFL football this this year on my ipad instead of on TV. And it's really good technically but it's just amazing to me that the NFL of all networks. which is the one that is is the most dominant has the most money and is sort of therefore the the least likely to embrace something new? The IPAD is like first class as client for watching live. NFL Games now. And it's just a just blows me away like in a way that your computer can't be and that you wouldn't want it's too small you don't WanNa Watch on your farm. People do watch on the phone but it's no good watching your phone because it's the only way to right right because you're whereas you would voluntarily watch something on the ipad because you're on you're like a kid's kid's birthday party and there's a game you WanNa Watch okay you're GonNa Watch that your phone but right exactly but watching on your ipad is like totally credible it is like absolutely totally credible and keeps up. Anyway I it it is a great. I don't WanNa get sidetracked from our complaints but it is a great consumption device and is it a better. TV THAN MY TV. Yup that's exactly right it's disruptive in a way right to take the sort of full circle because you can at layer on all sorts of stuff and and things that you can't have on on on on your TV but with the activity and the portability but while also having this large screen that Neil holding an ipad right in front of you relative to a large urge. TV on the wall like the actual viewing experience is actually much. The difference is much smaller than than than you might think. It is in the screen qualities. Incredible and all those sorts of things but at the at the initial watch they also showed I work and the end it was. It was also kind of a mind blowing demo in they were doing this really cool stuff with inserting stuff and moving stuff around with your fingers and there was. There was the hint of something there and I wrote about. I had a few false starts as far as blogs going through the years but I had like a tumbler back in the day. Is that where I wrote about the Ipod when it launched and you I talked about you know we're we're fit relative to the phone the computer but at the end of Mike. What's really compelling here is is the is the subject like this is clearly a contacted device? I'M GONNA take one time out. I'm just gonNa tell you right now. Listen I'M GONNA I'm GONNA remember this. I'm I'M GONNA put that graphic you're talking about. It's going to be the album art as we talk right now so you can just look at your phone and you look at the album art. You'll see you'll see the drawing Benz talking about all right. Keep going ten year old drawing over which holds up better than than others. But y'all begin you go back and one of the things that constricted. The IPAD over time is headphones our so much larger. But you ever back in twenty ten. You're dealing with a three point five crappy screen where you really didn't want to be watching an NBA game on the IPAD was just incredible. Edible like it was so much larger and better but I put at the end zone articles focus on a conduct assumption device but at the end what. There's something else here like. What was it will? I mentioned that I worked them all. You can do stuff that you just can't do on a computer because you're directly manipulating it now. The implication is our stuff. You can do computer that you can't do on an IPAD but it was new. It was something different in new. And that's where the the the garage demo and the ipad to announcement comes in for me like the it was like someone who has dabbled around in sort of these music creation APPs and a and a piano player and stuff like that. It was so mind. Oh boy that's the only time I've ever stood in line for four an apple product. I had to get the I two and I was going on a plane that night to Taiwan and I downloaded garage band and spent the entire twelve hour flight just like making Salt Lake. It was it was. It's hard it was my. It was absolutely absolutely incredible the way that you could just you could do stuff. That wasn't really pasta again. It was technically possible on a computer but the user interface inexperience was just transformative on the IPAD. It was it was absolutely incredible. And what was so and you saw in jobs knew it right like it's it's so it's one of my all time favorite jobs onstage. Moments is the like fifteen seconds after the demo. And he's on there and he's just like like he's like he's used is this was involved in the creation of he knew the devil they'd run through it and even then he just looks astonished right like he's like I can't believe like and to me. It was a wonderful moment that that I reflected on Awad Win. Jobs passed away was later that year is. I'm glad that he was able able to have that moment as an exempt because it was to my mind the culmination of his life's work because he comes on there and he's like it's it's isn't it incredible and then these and then he says like he's like he's like now anyone can make music and like that. That's what that that. He wanted the computer for for for for anyone that anyone could unlock the creativity. Anyone could do this because it was so much more intuitive and so much more approachable and Durand and will end fundamentally mentally. It was fundamentally less powerful. Yeah you could not do in garage when we could do magic reconditioned garage back there because you're limited to the direct interaction. It was fundamentally less powerful but it was disruptive in the best sense of the word it did not meet the needs of true musicians who were wander. Make a a huge sort of a makeup professional song but it meant it was way more accessible to way more people to actually build their own songs and and and the and to me that was what was so amazing compelling about the ipod and what I feel. We've never really seen the foam of station of was this possibility of completely new kinds of applications new kinds of computing. That would open up the power or of computers to to so many more people. And that's why the whole discussed with the multitasking thing is so I it's so frustrating to me because we were debating this these power user features that are like basically trying to recreate what we can already do on that but we're trading away more complex and less powerful and less useful and I'm over here saying like what what about what about this this this whole world. That was sort of stillborn like like where you could do something that you could not do on the PC when we're talking about dealing with multiple for windows we can do that in the PC's was rather than the PC or rather than the computer would rather stay at a motel six or dresses at Ritz-carlton. Well if we if we make the motel six you know have much bettman nicer bedsheets and if we have better service than we make the rooms bigger. And then we could have we could have a Ritz Carlton too. And it's like that's not disruptive it's trying trying to do the same thing but like from a different perspective I want something that's completely and utterly new and and when I look back ten years on it's like where where are those applications where that's what I'm interested in right now. We're you know we're we have apple bragging about desktop class safari which it again which is just parody parody. Anyway I wanNA take a break. 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The fact that we started with the the sort of the disruption Christians and stuff had been happening because I think it it it gets at exactly why I am frustrated by the disappointed in the product It's again is not to say it's not people don't love of them and it's not successful in apple doesn't make a lot of money from from them. It's that it. I think that I think that's what masks the problems that people do. Love them and people do use them and so it's easy for somebody to defend it and say what there's nothing wrong right. It's successful and people love it but I really i. It is frustrating to me. I it and I don't think it's lived up to the potential and while I liked the fact that they're talking that they've added quote unquote desktop class Safari. Like that should ten years in. That should not be bragging egging point. Well I if the why is it. It's sad to me that the goal is to compete with the MAC I. It's sad because because one like the Max pretty good at. What does if anything? I'd rather have more with to make it better but to it's sad because you're playing on the Max turf like the your if you want to compete with a multi window environment probably best to start with the environment that was built with multi window sumptious from the beginning. The IPAD was not those assumptions. The IPAD was built with one window. Options that it's the entire again that it transforms the device into music studio transforms the device into an easel. It transforms the device into a photo editing environment or whatever it might be and I think there was. I think there's two areas where the IPAD really lost. Its way the first area unfortunately and fits with the theme of this. PODCAST was jobs passing away like I. I'm very reticent to go into what you'll steve jobs it would make. We'll do something different. But I think the one product that MRS jobs. It's more than any other product is the IPAD like again to me really was the culmination of what he was. Pushing computing to be with his vision of what computer could be commuting for the rest of us I and and when he was gone no who who. WHO had that vision? I I think one of the things Steve Jobs was so good at and his reputation is that he was so I mean for lack of a better word arrogant right and you couldn't tell tell him anything and but the fact is he did. Listen and famously. There's always a bunch of stories where someone would get in an argument with them and they'd jobs would say ax and you would say why. Hi and then you'd make your case for why he'd say that's stupid and you come back the next day and jobs to have a great idea. Why and that was his way of like acknowledging that you were right he slept on it and he was like yeah? You know it is a good idea. And then he'd convince themselves was his idea and then go ahead but he he could he could admit mistakes right and he didn't go into denial about them and so In small ways I do think that jobs were still around. I think that the MAC book keyboard be lasko would have ended up sooner without West. I'm not saying they wouldn't have shifted and I've always said throughout the whole thing the problem uh-huh isn't that they ship that keyboard. The problem is I mean for three and a half year. Ideally they wouldn't have shipped it but you make mistakes. You know what I mean you. Should they ship them cube. You know it turned out. It was not the right idea what they did. They stopped production of the Mak Cube. You know they didn't make the Matt Cube for four years and keep throwing good money after bad You know I I really do think that there are ways that jobs leadership his style would have helped the Mac. But the MAC doesn't need that much help. You know the MAC. It knows what it is it does what it does really well And the phone has done really well post jobs chiefs and that there's people clearly at apple who kind of have a really good sense of the iphone. It's clearly the because it makes the most money I mean you can be cynical about it. It it gets gets the highest talent within the company to pay the fullest attention to every aspect of it hardware and software. And I think it's in a really good place software wise. I really do think Iowa's thirteen is a really good place. Then there's things I would change you know. Everybody has has complaints. But I'm with you. I think that the IPAD is the one product. We're really at a big level. It's not like a little thing like oh I don't think the buttons should be flat. They should have a little bit of three D. or something late. That is not a superficial thing I think a very profound fundamental level of conceptual level the IPAD could be could be so much further along and I do think and I'm with you. I really do hate to play the I think things are. You know be X. Y.. And see if Steve Jobs were still around but I really do feel like the ipad is the one where John. I've seen a bunch of other people. Either in reaction to my piece or just on their own on this tenth anniversary expressed the same thought. And it's really hard to deny. I think if you really and going back like you did and looking at that especially not the first IPAD. I pod but that I had I had to demo with the garage band thing and a couple other things that in and you you know with a year of their own use of ipad combined with seeing how the world had taken to it under their belt There did seem to be a certain gleam in his eye that there they were onto something and then all that really happened in the intervening years. They've just made faster and faster. Cpu I mean hardware. Got Undeniably better went retina and got thinner and lighter. It's truly the IPHONE and the IPAD are the best hardware they make in the Mac. It's almost unfair. You know the MAC is so limited. By what Intel offers you know the the one thing that the MAC users most jealous of is the fact that they don't have apples arm. CPU's inside it but in terms of conceptual schol using the IPAD. It just hasn't gone very far. Well it's forty so there's been there's been two ways where apple has sought to sort of push the ad for post jobs and and the cause with sales kind of Peter on the ipad to. I've had three era and they sort of go down in apple's like what can we do to make this better. The first one was coming out with the IPAD PRO and the Pencil and keyboard It's interesting because I think the pencil was so clearly the right thing to do. It was definitely one of those X.. Y. Are even so you'd have to have with jobs where you know he would. I'm sure have been against it and then you would convinced that is the right thing to do. I get that it is A. It's again it what what is powerful about the pencil. Is it something that you can't do on the MAC. Yes you can have a welcome Tampa tablet on those those sorts of lines but it's still indirect manipulation or if you just show the screen on there it's very clunky. It's not accessible to most people. The IPAD makes a new sort of paradigm in approach accessible to to new people in a way. That doesn't really make sense on a phone. Either something unique and special IPAD and as I noted remains my number one use case for night that it's doing the jobs would have been opposed to. I know everybody loves to you know. Go back to that. If you see a stylish they blew it quote but by the phone and and and it was about requiring the Stylus it was about a device where you needed to style is to use it like the Newton and the palm pilot. And there's a reason I eh. That's not the only reason why they call it. The Apple Pencil and not the apple. Stylus wasn't just to avoid the word. That's you know. Founder Steve Jobs at US and said they blew it it. It's different because it's absolutely not acquired. It does something very different. You can use it and I know in the early days. That Pencil is actually up in the air whether you could even use it as a a replacement for your finger for tapping buttons and stuff or was it only for drying and they work that out. It's totally a plus it is it. Is it just enables an entirely new level of stuff on your IPAD. It's not something you need so I don't know the jobs of those which you said super important to it's it's a plus in a way that enhances the experience without detracting from it in a way. multitasking is a plus. It imposes such a level of overhead and complexity. That for someone. Like your mom or me. Personally it's it's a minus. Yeah no exactly right and so that's how you know. That's an addition that makes sense when it's purely additive like the pencil ways but yeah so apple pushes forward the hardware and I was in the heart. Today's amazing state like the IPAD pro. Today's I I think the most beautiful piece of hardware. That apple makes it rivals the iphone Four for arguably the best piece of hardware apple has ever made as far as just sort of like being a jewel and justice. Incredible sort of thing so that was number. One and number two has been this recent push to add. I've had a west and add this. This can multitasking and this complexity. And what's interesting about. Both of those efforts is those are both things that are under apples. What is apple control on the IPAD? They control the hardware they control the OS and where have they focused their efforts on us sort of making the IPAD interesting Jan users. It's odd by iterating on the hardware in iterating on the OS and and the there's a big missing piece here. which is the APPs themselves the developers and and this is to my mind to fundamental failing of the IPAD? Did you like at the end of the day. Steve Jobs is one person you like like. You can't have no matter how great he is not gonNA conceptualize every reponsible use case that an IPAD abuse for like this idea that I packed can become anything by definition. That's where you need the third party developers to come up up with completely new bro. You know programs in applications for an IPAD that transform it into something different that apple would have never thought of. That's he's never thought of like. This is the whole power of markets where people create something completely new to meet a need that no sort of central authority would have thought of on their own own. But but but it's possible to come forward into. Why did they do it because they can one? It's possible and two. They can make money doing it. And that's the missing piece. You can't make money like the the the IPAD is meant to be some sort of like the productivity. You can do stuff on it anyway. That's what makes the wards canvas approachable in a way. The the iphone sort of isn't but to do that. You need to be able to sell any real sell the people and the people that fall in love with your application. It's really good oaken. You add this feature. Can you add this feature. You can add the features and you can charge them again. Ah Guess what that's how that's what happened on the Mac. You had developers in creating all sorts of applications creating entire industries. which you mentioned in your piece especially that like the graphic design and and lay out in all those sorts of things you had all these sort sort of small developers making all these little utilities on the Mac and you and why did it work because you didn't have to go out and sell it one time for ninety nine cents and try to get a bunch of users you could find your core users? Your your thousand true fans would every charge them then you could work for year you come back to charge the same users again and they were happy happy to pay you because they loved your application. It was very useful for them. You do more all aspect is missing because of the APP stores limitations and my the reason why I think the IPAD never reaches potential. We never got the sort of dhx transformative use cases that were that. Were not recreating it. Creating the Mac Bora creating something entirely new and powerful is because there was no money in it and you. Clint like to create something. White Garage Band requires a huge amount of resources. It means making a big bet cause to billing software to spend all the time and money upfront creating that and they have to put out there prefer cell and hold people come along and tell their friends and then we'll buy an upgrade like who who. Why would you make that bet if you're in the store environment there's no business model to justify it which mentos applications never got made and and this is an apples apples sort of tragic weakness? They you want to control everything and that control meant. They tried to use that control to make the IPAD better. What can we control? We can control the hardware. Great will make the hardware much better. What can we control we control yes? Great we'll take the OS and we'll add a bunch of stuff that maybe that's what people will like what apple actually needed to make make. The IPADS accessible was to loosen control was to give more freedom more possibilities so that developers could make these transformative experiences that that took the potential of a device that could change into anything you wanted to be and to fully realize that you mentioned I forget get what year you took the numbers from but there was a point and its first hand and to me. It's the one where the MAC was clearly. Strongest was the desktop publishing industry. And there were other areas newsworthy. Mac Did and has continued to thrive education in some ways but Desktop publishing is near and dear my heart and it truly transform ends form the industry as a ten year old product and I again. It's exactly how old the IPAD is the graphic design industry whether you're like an illustrator doing and page layout in quirk or page maker at the time Or whatever you all the very things you could do photoshop. Nobody who was a professional rational illustrator or photographer or layout artist was using computers in nineteen eighty. Four there were. I mean not shouldn't say nobody but I mean but it was a obscure. You're using these text based things and nobody really. It was just computers. Just weren't part of it and by Nineteen ninety-four nobody. Nobody was not using a computer. It in ten years everything was computerized everything. All all paid out every newspaper every magazine every advertisement everything that was going to print went through computer software and it was either on the Mac or it was windows versions of APPs on the Mac. Probably it was through the MAC. I remember when I was doing print stuff in the nineties. You used to have to pay more if it was windows. formatted stuff sometimes uh-huh than if it was MAC because the print shops anticipated so many problems with like color separation and stuff like that they literally charged more because it was so fundamentally Mac based what are the industries like that that have been transformed by the IPAD and there are some. Somebody pointed out that that ipads are huge with pilots lips. I get it so saying that there's none is is an overstatement. There are APPs like procreate that are really really great and on the IPAD and and I think the Pencil drives a lot of that we procreate and in it's great in a way that you just couldn't really do procreate create does on the Mac it really needs that direct manipulation but it it. There's just nowhere near as much of it as there could be. What is look at the companies? I mean the in one thousand nine hundred. Four Adobe did not exist in nineteen ninety-four it did is worth a billion dollars worth two billion at the time. Is that if you if you go back through the entire history. I think that's a reason. Why Apple has been has been so unfriendly relatively speaking to developers? They don't want another adobe because they'll be famously would would not support Os ten and You know apple never wanted to position where they were dependent on Microsoft and adobe and so the of what happened though in the long run is a much the only companies making like written the Super Complex applications for the IPAD because they have barger business models titles that justify it. And that's the whole point like like the graphic design revolution which you cannot overstate like. That's that graphic design. There's a publishing. That kept the MAC alive. The only reason that apple is around and the reason we have iphones ipads and also talk about is because when apple was at what is lowest point people who were in desktop publishing. We're still buying Max right. That's how that's how dominated was in. That was not buying it because MAC paint right mack. Paint was a demonstration of what was possible. And then you had companies like all this come along with page maker or core of court express unite. Both cut are both cookie cookie cutter teeth uncorking express and Adobe with first illustrator and Photoshop and then the Acrobat pdf and then they came along with Do to compete. What's their CORTEX? Restaurant Asfaw competitor in design and basically built their company on the MAC and third party. Developers are what made the MAC transformative transformative and powerful. And why because it was it was open. You could go on there and you could charge what you wanted to charge. You can charge it when you on a charge charge for upgrades apple have any control over that and that made it entirely possible again. Everything's a trade off. Is the title door. Encryption talk before there are huge benefits to APP to the APP store to security lead to customers feeling safe with their with their being willing to buy applications. This isn't deny any of that but there has been a tremendous loss in business model. No flexibility that in my estimation is the biggest reason why the IPAD has not reached a potential. It's not to say that is not valuable as it is. It is but it is. It is so much closer to what it launched as V. One way we're so much closer to the IPAD one keynote and it feels like we're farther away than effort from the I had to keynote. And that's what makes me sad. That's why I call it a tragic. It's it's not that it's a failure. If that it it there was the possibility of something something completely new and I just feel. We never really reached that potential. Yeah I feel the same way You know we took very different. I mean and I have more to say but you know mortar right as in. Hopefully I'll get around to it soon. But in the weeks to come and I focused on specific details user interface gripes in your your complaint is much more big picture picture but fundamentally it's two different angles on the same thing which is that. It didn't live up it hasn't hasn't yet lived up to its potential Joel and and it could still but would require a require leadership at apple to acknowledge that it hasn't lived up to its potential and I seriously question whether that's there. I really do feel that. There's I can't help but think that and to me I pat O.. S. Thirteen is is the evidence of it that this is the one they decided to give the new name to say. It's its own ass its own. Os It has its own name and didn't really backtrack from any of this and hasn't really Ino and the other thing we can mention on this and I feel like it's held the IPAD back more than the phone is the thirty percent slash fifteen percent percent tax. Would everyone not tax. It's a tax but the you know the revenue that apple wants to insist it gets through APP store purchases for anything anything and everything that goes through an APP and I can't help but think that that's hurt and and it gets to your issue of insisting on control as opposed to just leading adding third party developers have more freedom on the platform. That's that's absolutely part of it. But also there's an aspect of the more specialized in nation by definition the smaller your audience and the way the APP store has worked as. It's always if you want to make money you need to sort of have access is to to the largest audience possible and we're whereas if you WANNA make if you have a knee shop you want to make more money from fewer people right. This is my business model right I. I'm not trying to sell strategically to a million people. What I WANNA do is sell it to a much smaller number of people but they pay me money continuously so I get a lot of money outta my average revenue per customer is is is very high? That's very hard to do with an application because the way it worked on the MAC previously was you. You would sell an application for say fifty dollars then a year later you have an update to the application and you could maybe sell you have upgrade pricing. So if you're an existing user so you can buy for thirty five dollars or news by fifty dollars and what this lets you do is. You're getting like fifty dollars or three dollars per customer per year year over year over year that justifies this ongoing sort of investment. Now things are a little better now because you can do subscription pricing but the problem is is that is so sort of consumer hostile in a way. Like you have to pay or you'RE GONNA lose access to your application. There's no like that we've seen this again and again where where APPs developers switch to this model because because it's the only way they can survive right you have. You can't make money always selling to new users. It's it's impossible. You have to be able to make money from your existing existing users on an ongoing basis the oil apple subscription pricing which is an awkward fit for productivity APPs. Anyway and then there's this gut wrenching transition where everyone accuses you of being a bad person because you're now you're charging descriptions have just signed that letting them own it Sarah Cetera the prompted. The can't do otherwise because apple never gave them the tools to do to do otherwise. And it's a shame like who in their right mind is going to start a company today. That is focused on building complex new to the world transformative IPAD applications white. There's no one that's going to do it. The only one that's going to do it as Apple Wall and apple doesn't everyone seems to have the vision to do it in any way to have one company. Making everything is not a viable outcome anyway so they should be making a platform form a tragedy. This is the tragedy that I wrote about this back when the I pencil came out the real tragedy of the ipad is it would be such a better product if Microsoft owned it because Microsoft understands how to build a third party platform and to and to make possible. The problem is that you earned the right to be a platform by building a great product and my great Bronx Microsoft got the windows platform by whatever Djing. IBM basically to get computers everywhere and then they already had the the platform and then it could be a good pot from provider right the way it works in the consumer market it. Is You have to sell something. That's compelling by itself where users want it and buy it and then once you have the install base now your platform and that's not Microsoft does not Max offers good at. They're not good at building. Super Friendly user consumer products that people just want to buy in their own right. And so you have this weird situation where in an ideal world world we could have apple create. These new concepts is new ideas new products like an IPAD and then they can hand it off to Microsoft manage and then we could have a flowering owlry developing developer ecosystem on top of it. That help it reach its full potential but unfortunately the world doesn't work that way. WHAT APP do you? I wanted to ask you this. What APP do you use? I making your your drawings strategically on the IPAD so the APP is for many years was was paper by fifty three Paper has since they're acquired. I think they're still around but basically failed They only ever made money by selling a stylus and then the game out which made their application way better and also destroyed their Kabila and make money again because I would have I would have paid for upgrades continued to that application but they charged me once like ten dollars and I use it for a years and made a ton of money using their application and they got none of that so I- increasingly used linen. Al From from from the folks that I can factory. Ah So I still use paper for a couple of things. There's a few things few effects that has but more that I like more and more I use when they are it's really cool. It's some more power as far as layering goes and stuff like that whereas paper is more of a pure drawing up But yeah those are the US. I Love Lie Nia I call it lie NIA. I don't know how to pronounce it. I should ask ask our friend hawkenberry line. I'm going to guess that I'm wrong. You could always. You could make a ton of money betting on any pronunciation thing. My guess is wrong. Linea Linea Sounds Prettier and they do graphic so I'm going to guess it actually is La Linea but I've invited line. I've said lie near. That's that's my go-to drying up. I don't do a lot of drawings but when I do I that's what I use I love it and I one of the things I love about it and it's just from one small indie developer galloper. It's like a ten dollar APP. I think there are moving to subscription problem but it has things like layers. It has which are concepts that are common in every MAC drawing Photo editing APP but Li- Nia doesn't look like a MAC APP at all it did it is so IPAD. It also doesn't I I know and I know they have like a little iphone version. You can finger pain but the IPAD version is like the one true version and it is II patty in a way Eh it. Your IPAD becomes an Easel. They the the best IPAD APPS changed the nature of what does device in. Your hand is right my ipad with an NBA game on it is TV. My ipad with Leon on an easel my ipad with Raj man on it is a piano like to your point and that is that is that is the the magic of the IPAD. And there's no magic in multitasking. Sorry right in. It's it's the way this whole concept of reporting the ipad against a Mac or against a PC. It's like you're putting in a situation where it's going to lose like yes. Some people will power like you. You have to be more of a of a power user to use an IPAD for multitasking. which doesn't make it's just conceptually? It doesn't make any set set spray and the trainers were made like the trade off should be that an IPAD is impossible easy to use it when your mom's doing mail. She's in her male APP which is browsing the web. She's on the web like it transforms. There's no of this mixing of Metaphors and mixing of of ideas together. It is it is is what it is and you feel frustrated by that unlimited by that then you should go get a Mac like this idea that we should lose the simplicity to to have an inferior version of the. Mac is just just as wrong to me. I think you made this point in your article. The less powerful and more complex or something along those lines. That's the sure. Sign that the wrong tradeoffs reme- well and if we're going to be maybe it should be off by default your point that the multitask. You know that you want to argue the split screen. multitasking was all a mistake. Or whatever and for the people who really do love it maybe it should be there as an option but it may be it should be off by the default but I firmly stand by what you just said. That is a power user feature whereas on the Mac. Because that's what the MAC was designed for ground up people to common people. Don't even think about the fact that you can see two or three apps at a time on your Mac. It doesn't even seem like a thing that you've done or did anything for nothing ever Mack like. That's the thing. I actually think the IPAD should be the computer for the rest of US right now. the as it were you can do everything you want to do. On an IPAD as on a Mac like if you want to have multiple label windows like you don't need to windows to do something you could switch back and forth the reason to windows because it's more convenient and easier abuser to do right but that's that's fine like like it's okay to house on the more complex for more powerful more complex things so one of the things I want to bring up and I I. Hopefully I'd be I haven't looked but because I only thought of it while you and I are talking right here but hopefully I can maybe get some videos of it. I don't know how I'll find him. But at least some screen shots but you remember tweety ipad when Lauren Berger was doing tweedy before it was acquired by twitter and became the official twitter for IOS APP. tweedy you remember tweety for IPAD. It was wholly original and separate separate from tweedy for iphone and had what I consider for a productivity type APP. where it's like? You're you know as much as twitter can count as productivity but you're reading and it's text and there's a list of things and you tap from a list to go into it it. It had a design that was so different and it never would've worked UNIMAK whereas like if you look at like mail for ipad from apple it is fundamentally architect. Did visually like mail on the Mac. It's just that you tap things. Instead of click on them and some things slide over as opposed to all all staying on screen because it's a slightly smaller screen but tweety for IPAD was so different and was so holy for the IPAD but also so in addition to not just aping the way a Mac twitter client would could and should be designed. It also wasn't just the iphone version. Okay but now. It's on a ten inch screen and more more. The IPAD to me is so large at the application application level so caught between those two things most of mostly being just a big iphone. But then when it's not it's just a touch green Mac type thing as opposed to being something wholly unique to it right like the. That's the potential that to me hasn't been tapped are use cases cases where it could only be on an IPAD. Couldn't be done on the phone because the phone is too small. Couldn't be done on the Mac because the Mac interface is touch aside just isn't conducive to this sort of direct manipulation of holding a tablet in your hand. I completely in tweet. Tweety is the one the heartbreak and then you look at like the stupid twitter APP for IPAD now and it. It could not be more could not be more just just a big iphone APP. It is the canonical. Just take what we did for the IPHONE and blow it up to the size of whatever the size of your ipad is but again in twitter's defense like why would you do anything different is like it's not worth it's not worth the effort and pride pride in your work Kirk will. It's this is why the fact that is the fact that twitter is a company has like a thousand engineer. Yeah it's amazing four thousand points. I hear you. I'm not telling you that you're wrong. I get the argument of. Why would we do that? But you know airports airports air flights but DISA- go back to the thing we started the discussion about lasorda critics and people complaining about these articles. I feel feel like it again I am I am even more so than you. I am a massive critic of what the IPAD has become. I think it just. I think the whole multitasking approaches. Which is a mistake? I think that the sing one APP on the screen. Time is the right way to go and I get a lot of people disagree with that but what I what I hope is queer is in some respects. This is like the jilted lover sort of view of IT I. I am so disappointed disappointed in the IPAD as it is because I wanted and thought there could have been something transformative. Not the Mac done differently but actually is something that was was unlocked possibilities in ways of computing that were never possible previously. And we get we have. There's there's there's shadows of that like there's bits and pieces of that and interestingly where there is the music industry where there has actually been a lot of innovation. There's a whole like Wade's communicate between APPs for music. APPS that skirted around apple's limitations between connecting data and stuff back back in the day like and perhaps seated because of what apple did but I just feel like we never ever got to what it could be and I see no I. I just don't see it happening because you know again. When I first came out everyone wanted to build for it? They wanted develop for it. But now who's GonNa be. Who's going to take that risk and it's not our fault you and me Ben Thompson and John Gruber? It's not our fault that we can't come up with specific ideas for what the I ipad could be twenty twenty. That's not our job we can do it. We're simply observing that. They're not there right like in nineteen eighty eighty four. It wasn't clear at all what that Photoshop Photoshop could be in one thousand nine ninety four or or Cork Express which is truly phenomenal Or the way that like you said that. The desktop publishing industry largely kept apple afloat Lote because they still bought high end Mac hardware throughout the whole thing because they had these workflows where it catalogs catalogs were entirely setup in file maker databases for the catalog items. And when you were ready to print a new sixty four page catalogue. You just hit one button. Walked away for a minute or two and then there was a cork express document with sixty four pages completely laid out with the photos and the items uh-huh and everything and ready to be proof-read and apple script as an underrated factor in apple. Not going out of business combined with like file maker and a database ace that was completely visual as opposed to abstract. SQL tables which have their place but the fact that totally normal normal people could just like open the database. And look at it. You know and dragged pictures in and stuff like that. And you'd have these workflows workflows where what used to be days of work woods now like a minute of leading an apple script do its thing communicating between vowel make. You couldn't imagine it in Nineteen eighty-four for the foundation was there you can go backwards from Nineteen eighty-four from one thousand nine hundred four and see how the fundamental the mental ideas that the MAC was born within one thousand nine hundred four led to this. You can go backwards and see it and you could see that potential with the IPAD ten years ago and it just didn't it just hasn't gotten there and I think it could. I think could five years from now we could have you on the show. Oh and maybe you know. There's a renaissance in the IPAD. I don't I don't think so but I would think so to me. The missing piece was you. You was the business model piece and the problem is even if apple suddenly came out with upgrade pricing and all that all those sorts of things like the trials like the trials you today they have to either be you'll an unlocking in-app purchase or else this subscription thing. There's no back you can't just have a full featured applic- seven or seven day. Trial like that one. Click like which we have windows eight like ten years ago the tomorrow I think that developers are so burned by by by the IPAD and people will bring up applications that are on the ipad there. That are complex. And whatever and I think it'd be very interesting to think about those complex applications and you you see if they ever actually made any money or if they're just massive massive losses. I would just put it this way. I don't think that any developer that has experimented the previously. He's GonNa go back to the IPAD and that's a business model problem not not a device problem and and it's a shame it's too bad you just another another way to put it as you just don't see that many pat only apps absent could only be on the IPAD. Don't make sense on the phone because the screen is big enough. Don't make sense on the Mac because the the interface isn't isn't appropriate in the way that you know back in the day there'd be Mac apps that never would make sense on the apple two because it doesn't make sense without the IPAD offers so much that the MAC doesn't by its innate nature that there could be apps like that and you just don't see that many of them all right anyway let let's end on an upbeat note like that Ben. It's always a pleasure to have you on the show. How about this? How about a super bowl pick? I'm cheering for Kansas City. Because I want any read into in one and I hate the forty niners a so I have. I have not watched football closely enough to know who to pick all right. I'm going to go the same way I'm GonNa. I'M GONNA go with Kansas City because I want Andy Reid the win one because I find Patrick Mahomes to be absolutely appealing person. I I'm not. I have no no skin in the game with or for or against Kansas City. But I I do like Andy Reid. I would like to see them win one. I do like Patrick Mahomes. And I do hate the San Francisco forty nine. How do you get a cowboys? Fan In fact span united forty nine. That's what we should do. We should open up. We should have like a bunch of papa bars around we you and I said quick get togethers put put raise a couple hundred thousand dollars in open up a bunch of the packers slash cowboys pop bars around the nation for Super Bowl Sunday. It's funny because you so you think. Maybe this is our age to particularly because in the nineties like the the these three teams had so many sort of playoff games james and big. That's right where where like the cowboys were in. Were Super Bowl. I'd be sitting here with the forty niners fan saying hey as long as it's not the cowboys the way it was the packers so it's like a triangle of of hate. Yeah that's my pick as well all right everybody. Of course you've been on the show enough. They know it but Stra Tech Ary S. T. R. A. C. H. E.. ROTC sputter wrong. Which is funny? He on your thing. A. T. E. H. E. R. Y.. Brad Aegean Tech wonder the strategy intact. Then they're like oh now they makes total sense. Yeah Gal well tell me about it. Is there's Good column this week. Aw on on the IPAD that we talked about here but people should read it And of course as you mentioned subscription newsletter which everybody listens is this show out at least consider. It's it's one of my favorite reads and you're you have two great twitter accounts you've got at Ben Thompson where you write about stuff like like this. And then there's no tech Ben. It's all Milwaukee Bucks all the time this time of year basically trouble but whatever. Yeah Yeah Yeah I have a I have a really bad feeling. I mean I'm not into the NBA. Like you. But I have a really bad feeling that we're heading towards a sixers bucks five eastern turn finals. That's going to end in five games with the bucks. Were heading towards the finals. I E time. That'd be fine with me. I it was the seventy sixers are terrible against everyone in part because they're basically expressly built to beat the bucks it which which is very concerning to me that they're going to end up in the playoffs like the fifth or sixth seed or something and we're going after them anyway and it's going to be brutal. Obviously they destroyed the bucks on Christmas. I think it's probably a game that had had concerning science to say the least but also the shooting was such that dios bit of an aberration. But yeah yeah it's going to be. 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Buck Showalter on Deion Sanders, Don Mattingly and Randy Johnson

Baseball Tonight with Buster Olney

49:26 min | 8 months ago

Buck Showalter on Deion Sanders, Don Mattingly and Randy Johnson

"Baseball tonight the PODCAST. Visit the baseball tonight. Podcast for Thursday will nine two thousand twenty. I'm buster only working for my home studio north in New York City and working from his home studio in Connecticut. Is Taylor twinkle producer? Taylor I am coming off a day of massive regret. What's up buster? What's what's hurting you all right so we had that question. The bleacher tweet yesterday from Brian. Simpson related alkaline. Tony gwynn about how Al Kayla was known as Mister Tiger. Tony Gwynn was known as Mister Padre and he asked the question about other franchises has the Mr and I gave you some ideas of other players who might fit and I totally within the most obvious. Answer Mr Cub and man. I heard a lot of that on twitter yesterday. About how could you not like Ernie banks is the most famous Mr of some team right? Yeah people they don't twitter doesn't forget they let you have it so honest mistake. Really people people were good natured about it but I saw the responses and there were quite a few. Hey you know what they were right. I was wrong. There's no getting around it. I absolutely every bit of criticism on that but yesterday when I saw the first tweet mentioned like you know what an idiot all right well. We'll try to get over that today. Manager Week Continues. We heard stories. And Joe Manager Bruce Bochy this week and today we'll hear from Buck showalter get memories of Dion Sanders Randy Johnson of that famous game playoff game in one thousand nine hundred five when Edgar Martinez drove in Ken Griffey Junior and he has strong opinions about proposed baseball rules. One note before we talked to June Lee that a great story about players connecting with fans using video games a bat used by New York Yankees legend Lou. Gehrig the dating back to one thousand nine hundred ninety two was sold for a million twenty five thousand dollars by heritage auctions and Dallas's past week Taylor what do you think I just can't even imagine writing a check check for something like that. Yeah I mean the money itself is beyond my comprehension of my tiny brain but baseball bat. What a million dollars really. I mean you could make a replica and put in your house and no one would ever question you literally. No one would know the difference. Well you know what for a little bit? I mean once the baseball hall of fame reopens with just a little bit of money and go in and see a whole lot of bats all right before get to buck. In June I have to give the highest recommendation to the latest episode S. E. P. Pod. The gang's back together. Sbp's Stanford Stephen Ryen Russillo all under one digital roof. If you know you know find it where we get your podcast duly covers baseball for ESPN June. How you doing how you hold up. Good good just trying to stay inside. Stay Sane generally and just keep on going and try to connect with people and you know and be out and have stations and there's so much uncertainty when you have those conversations generally. Yeah it's it's really really weird right now. I mean. I was talking to a couple of pitchers yesterday or the last couple of days. Just about the proposed plan that was going out about trying to maybe restart the season. April and a lot of the players. That were talking. Just didn't think it was feasible from the practical standpoint. You know the family stuff not seeing family for four and a half months but also just are are. Is there enough? Time to get ready for a proposed mid-may schedule and then just generally like the logistics of everything. It seemed like there was a lot of her mental hurdles for a lot of the players to get over in order to get to place where the seemed feasible. Oh and you mentioned you talk to a couple of pitchers it's been interesting but the last forty eight hours. I started have conversations with people in the game who say that if we get into June We get into early July when baseball can finally get the go and try to ramp up. I what I've heard from folks in front offices is they think that it's getting close to the point where we're going to need a full full spring training did you can't just sit two weeks and throw guys out there. What have you heard? Yeah I heard it's a similar thing. I was just talking to one of the pitchers about building up his armor. Now what? He's trying to just maintain his arm strength and he told me a funny story about how he was going out and throwing balls against the fence and then it just started pouring and so the balls added like another ten pounds because of the water and he said he felt like Charlie Brown and that kind of I thought summed up the state of the baseball season right now. Everyone wants to be playing baseball. But I mean it's just literally not possible given the pandemic circumstances. We've never seen anything like this before. It's really weird. I'm twenty four years old and talking to like my parents and my grandparents like my grandma's in her eighties and she's never seen anything like this before. So just like have that kind of perspective on everything that's happening is kind of reality shaking. So what are the heavy on talk you also about this? Great Story did free. Spn DOT COM. How players are maintaining contact through video games and I have some insight you know. My son is fifteen. He plays a lot of video games and so when initially his school was shut down and he sitting at home. I thought was to feel sorry for him. Because you know back in the day when I was growing up in that situation you wouldn't have had any contact with any friends but he's talking with his friends all the time and that's pretty clear. That's what's going on with players. Yeah I mean I'm doing the same thing too. I'm just talking to a lot of my friends from high school. You know friends from around the country and we all play video games so it's just kind of an easy way to bond together and so I've noticed that a thing that was happening in baseball clubhouses especially with this new generation of players. You know those a lot of discussion. I talked to Andrew mccutchen specifically who talked about how when he started his career. It was a lot of guys going out to steak dinners. There was a lot of guys getting together at the hotel bar and nowadays to bond together. Lots of guys kind of gather up in a hotel room together and they all play video games together so much and was talking about how guys had Nintendo switches and then Carlos Don was talking about how. When Chris Sale was at the white sox everyone would gather into his hotel room and they play video games together. Call of duty. Four night became kind of this mainstream explosion For the East sports community over the last couple of years and it's a game that is super accessible to everyone. I think the thing that a lot of people in Baseball Club has found. Is that you know. Baseball is such a diverse board. It's often hard to find common grounds where players can kind of get to know each other and develop clubhouse chemistry? You know the whole tangible thing and video games is kind of this great equalizer because it's something that everyone kind of plays it kind of helps guys forget that they're baseball players for a second and they can just enjoy themselves and being competitive without placing financial bets on it. You know that was something interesting. The cutting told me was that despite the fact that you guys love gambling with cards and everything video games kind of remained a sacred place for guys. Just were truly competitive. Which I thought was so interesting. We heard similar things last week. And we're talking to Jameson own about how he's spending his days and what he's doing the basically wile away the hours what were some of the funny stories and working on the story. It was funny because I was watching. Just Blake's nose twitch stream because he's been someone who's been extremely active in the video game community for a couple years now and when he wanted to award two years ago one of the first things he did when he got home was to go live on twitching giveaway assigned Jersey to the people who were in his community. So it's really interesting to talk to Blake just about how you know. He felt he really needed to mostly invest himself into the twitch community and his viewers and it was a two way relationship. It wasn't just a situation where fans who are coming in just wanted to ask him questions and then Blake which kind of walk away like Blake had a relationship has a relationship with a lot of viewers which I noticed over the course of the last couple of weeks reporting out the story in watching extremes more often it was a lot of him investing his time in his energy and getting to know his viewers and in the reporting my story. There's a there's a couple of stories about how you guys who were streaming on twitch eventually became friends with other people streamed. Mlb The show the video game for playstation On on on twitter as well and you collaborate and it would create this incredibly intimate relationship between a fan and a player. I don't think would've been possible before social media and so it's really just interesting to see how the the lack of sports and lack of anything on the sports schedule has forced everyone kind of pay attention to east sports as kind of the only live sporting events right now Competitive Event Right now and And Spring the fans and players close together. Because they're just bonding over video games in the same way that I think. A Lotta guys in the club. Houses were bonding over video games too. So tell me what you think of this idea. Because like a light bulb went off over my head As you were talking right there and people as you know in these conversation the player associations is having Major League Baseball. The the you know the feeling is Hey. No ideas a bad idea They're GONNA have to figure out a way to to rebrand the product for lack of a better way to describe it when they come back to draw fans in and you know what we talked about how there's always players in every game who you could make up. Because they're not doing anything. How about during the course of? Let's just pull the race Let's say the raise are playing in a game and Blake. Snow is not pitching why not have during the course that game have blake snow. Connect with the community and talk about the game. Have a conversation about the game going on while he's playing video games with pants. What I like that. 'cause it's kind of bringing the chat room to real life. Yes yeah and the thing that I think is fascinating about twitch specifically as a platform for players to express themselves is that you just have a camera pointed out you and uncut for hours unfiltered and so the thing that I realized you know it's the thing I'm constantly thinking about as reporters how to translate the personality of these guys from in-person in the locker room to print and trying to get fans to truly get aside of who these authentic authentically who these guys are You know whether or not playing baseball and I think which is incredible platform for that because you just see them kind of thing and making jokes and being goofy you know dare call and talk to me about how when he plays grand theft auto. He does Kermit the frog impression. And he doesn't impression of Cleveland from the Cleveland show. And that's something that he's been doing the clubhouse it's just like a class clown for Someone who brings Levy jokes at the clubhouse for his entire career and now he's bringing onto social media and so I think guys are starting to realize that you know social media isn't something to be afraid of something that might get you in trouble. It's a way to kind of express yourself and put yourself out there in a way and see who connects with you and you know that they're old school fans who and here something like that and be like no chance. I hate that. I don't want to participate in that. That's fine but there are clearly a lot of people like fifteen year old son. Who would absolutely love something like that? Yeah I mean I as a twenty four year old baseball fan as someone who's Kinda struggling between millennial and Gen Z. I'm constantly thinking about you. Know what is what. Could we make baseball different in order to kind of push it forward and appeal to younger fans and I think the thing that we've seen over the last couple of years between the Mike Segments that we've seen in spring training? Is that hearing that authentic side of players on the field or just generally it really resonates with fans when we heard. Gooky pets during that Red Sox Spring Training Game. Talk about how he that. He's not getting that ball. That clip went viral. And it was one of baseball's biggest social media moments and I think this is a really good opportunity to pause and kind of reflect on what's happening with baseball's a sport and kind of think about what are some weird things that we might be able to try experimentally just to get people involved and I wouldn't be surprised to just to see in the next couple of weeks if we see a more organized east sports events coming together officially around. Mlb The show. Because it's something that clearly a lot of guys are starting to get involved in and more guys are getting interested in opening twitch accounts Lucas Jr Alito Chicago. White Sox. He just opened up a twitter account. After after seeing Carlos robot enjoy it so kind of thing is is starting to grow and I think guys starting to get a sense of how not only for for for players to connect with fans. But it's also a way for them to build their brands and you know build for a life outside of baseball as well. Yeah you could see it like in the regular workout regimen for some of these guys Blake Snell lifts weights on Wednesday. has a bullpen session. On Thursday Has an off day on on Friday Saturday Sunday. He plays video games with fans during the course of the game. I mean baseball. Baseball's almost uniquely positioned to to. You know there's so much downtime. For a lot less players they can just sit in dugout and talk and you can get a sense of what that dugout chatter light. I mean I think it's I think it's a really good idea. Honestly now that I think about it twice to to Michael Guys who aren't playing in the game having a starter on his off day just chat with fans might be really good wages to get a get a different players and I think create a kind of a more uniquely intimate baseball experience. Yeah one hundred percent you did that in the clubhouse that that that would be pretty cool. He brings people into that that atmosphere. That was the amazing. All Right Jim. Thanks for doing this. They have bus really appreciated luxury. Walters manage twenty years in the big leagues. Fifteen hundred fifty one career wins in bucket. Bring YOU IN A. I'm excited about this conversation. Because they've known you for a long time. But as I said the Aaron Boone when we had him on a couple of weeks ago I never had asked him about that home run he hit in two thousand three AOL CS. Because I worked with him. I didn't want to be like the green fly. You know the fan boy asking questions so this kind of gives me an opportunity. Ask You questions like that. Don't ask me about the anything. That's really painful. Please buster. It's part of. It's always a back story. Those things you know so many things. I wish I'd asked people on the way. Never feel like you're putting them out. Well I appreciate you taking the time and joining us. I storytelling one when we're out without baseball games A few years ago I think your last year when you were managing the Orioles I I remember how you invited Dion Sanders to come to cannon yards. And I didn't realize up until that time that you guys are very close and that you know. Then I've made sense. Dion was in the Yankees Organization when you were in the Yankees Organization. Tell me about him and how you guys always connected well beyond you know. He came from somewhere area of the country. There was a real connection theon personality of the football player and the way he projected himself as a baseball player. Two totally different guys. He wasn't primetime in baseball and Very Smart Guy He's still lives here in Dallas. We is son over at Soda. Messes we sit together sometime at basketball games but Beyond that group we had a group in Albany New York in the Eastern League that won that year and beyond was probably the most popular teammates. They're not because he's Tom COM. Just the way he treated everybody was he was just one of the guys. He understood that the difference between but I remember calling him to tell him he was going to the big leagues and he thought I was telling him to go. He's going to AAA and I called him at home one night. I said it's girlfriend. John say whatever answer the phone I said? Hey can I speak to be honest? Theon would eat beans pork chops and skull potatoes. Almost every night loved him and he finally he finally gets to the phone. That's what's up. He goes I'm just eating. I said listen They want to call you up. They want you to go up and it goes fuck you know I. I love the guys here man. We're GONNA win this year. I think and subway triple as kind of a lateral move. I assume say here and I said you don't understand you're going to New York. And he dropped the phone. I hear him going baby baby coming here. Pick up the phone talked about. It was one of the it was one of the great send ups. Oh I can't I couldn't hardly get him back on the phone but A lot of people didn't get dion and I enjoyed getting things about him. He was a fast guy. I ever had not even close. Think about your fast. It's got and there's another year there. He could actually outrun the baseball. It was breathtaking to watch him. Run triple out. It was. It was worth play being there and just the things that you can do. Tell you through. Well he had a lot of power. That people didn't know if you've been full-time baseball sky was the limit he was. He was a special talent. You Know Buck. I'm so thrilled to hear. You say that because when I have friends family or if I do stuff with fans and people ask me. What's the coolest thing that I ever saw a baseball field? I said watching Dion Sanders. Senate triple. That was the most amazing thing I'd ever seen but for people talk about stuff in the big leagues that I'm remember the most. It might have been coach and third base for an inside the park. Home Run Dion Sanders. Look it up sometime Bo Jackson him. We're going back and forth before we play Kansas City about. He couldn't tackle and beyond with say Akkad out running. And this guy was smartness. Got What smart about time they got to New York. It was on. I mean it was on. We weren't very good. We hadn't scored a run in a month and the first two times a Bo his whole months and the little down the Doug because you know it was beau versus beyond. I kind of walk bombs to come home and I got a Lotta game. Let's go well. He hits the ball in the right. Centerfield and Bo Dives Fort Separate. The shoulder vouch for the year by the way ball. Rolls to the fence comes around second and it is beautiful. I mean there's dirt Flying Jerry. Curls are working and he gets to third and I think those Bianca WanNa headed back to the Infield just thinking. It was a sure. Stand UP TRIPLE AND MCFARLAND was out in front of the plate and I start pumping and like I said. We haven't scorn awhile. It's two outs and beyond guessing another gear. He looks at me like this crazy. Guy's GonNa send me and I gotta say Dirt Meryl's Home Played on par and the ball comes in. He's out by maybe Tennessee. I'm running down the line with him. Obviously behind him and the ball short hops in hits off McFarland's chest. Dion has to go up in the air over the top McFarland. Get his hand back on the plate before he can retrieve the ball and tagging bang. Bang safe and I gotTa tell you the place went crazy crate. It was I. I got to go back to third base. I'm going back in the dug-out Denman's found migos brother. He said if you lost your mind what you doing I said de Vaux showing up out there. You gotta see it you know. Take it back man. That was fun. That was sound blaster. Yeah that I was. That's great I was GonNa ask you if you want to ask. You set a ask you about the decision to send him in that situation Yeah he he. He would have absolutely been amazing. I WanNa ask you about working for George Steinbrenner. What was of course People know that behind the scenes. He could be so tough. You know all those years going through managers. What was the most angry that he ever got it. You Oh Jeez Buster While you know I think he would. He would try to get it through coaches. He knew that my sauce fought would for coaches who are good coaches and doing their job. Release reason why I left. New York was over for four coaches and he wanted to fire but I if he would live through I was lucky to have jean-michel deflected a lot of those things but he got a little easier to work for With every manager I think you know I think Joe got a softer guy. I think the guy behind Joe got a software guy was I you know there were some some very private moments where he would just hammer away and there. It was just like you know anything that was obvious or he had told you about happening I remember he came in one morning early. One morning. Brian butterfill now. We're going to do in the schedules. It's been seven o'clock in the morning and he came in all he said. Was you out in call butter by name. And so of course you know clete boyer gets a big name placard and puts it over. Brian's Locker W. e. new name where you out but you know there was a certain there was a certain Fraternity and Camaraderie of guys. You know you Kinda took it. You know it was coming your way. He made sure he didn't crack somebody else. Enter IN OTHER WORDS. The pitching coach. You don't say the INFIELDER OUTTA position or they've made a bunch of errors behind your Fisher to try to support your yourself because now you have dragged the infield coach into so there was no. You're going up the elevator late at night. Form of meetings. Everybody knows. Somebody's got a bullseye on their back. And you just need to wear it take like a man 'cause no it'll be somebody else the next time and guys would get back on the elevator and pat each other on the pet. The guy on the back of that war at that time and it was part of the job description. I understood it when I took the job that he was going to be. Part of the job description. But you know you can only take so much. If if he knew that he could run all over. You're going to be there at some point. You hadn't expand all right. Tell us about Don Mattingly in the nineteen ninety five playoffs. I was not covering the team at that time. But Michael K of course longtime broadcast for the Yankees. Tell stories about about Donnie ramping. Up for that series knowing that that would be it started about three weeks earlier. You know we had probably one of the best September's and Gangqi history to get in the playoffs. We we had the replacement camp and all. This stuff is awful Donnie. I'd taken a lot of grief about continued to play Donnie hitting third. Because he was he said but to sixty with not much power numbers in it but I knew his back was killing and also knew that our our players just funneled and and set off him so much. You meant so much to our club. This being on the field. Donnie came in one day. So that's I say I'm going forward either. You not hit me thirty. I said listen. Don't tell me where my hitch in the batting order. I he said You I'm going for it. I said what do you mean? He said I'm going to start talking my back and this and that whatever and eat it blows out doesn't blow out. He said we're not getting the playoffs. And let's start acting like a first baseman of the Yankees. So he went for. I am their eleven o'clock in the morning with all the stuff he did with his back. Just try to get and I gotTa tell you buster for two or three weeks it was don mattingly all I was like. Oh my God every swing you might be his last and he put on a show in the playoffs but also remember coming back from Seattle. He came up set down. You know you're talking about three games on that turf out there to the buck. I'm done just once. You know I want you and stick the no before also even gets here that I'm done. My boys need me at home. He had some situation at home. Back won't let me do what I need to do. I don't I the surgery I can't. I'm not sure about it. And so him telling us that. Buster a lot has to go get. Tino Martinez before the whole world knew that we needed a first baseman. It could hold this up. It was actually the last bill that sticking on May they're going after Tino and Jeff Nelson and Don had the guts and the foresight propel us but I gotta tell you the home. Run hitting the ploughs buff. You could not talk to the guy next you during that game. I thought I actually taught the Dugout was gonNA came in. I'm not kidding you. I made a point of being out in front of dug out a lot because it was shaking that old building shaking and you had to go up the runway to talk somebody. That's how loud it was and when the ball effort bat that he hit the home run there it was like oh my gosh. Everybody gets to a nice safe place was. This might get ugly. They had to pull America pull the mariners off the field after that whole month. Now you asked me not to ask you about anything painful but did want to get your your memory of of one of the most famous moments in in postseason history when Junior griffey Scorza. I based on Edgar Martinez Double. What are your memories about that very moment? And how did you handle that? First of all you know. Uh Survey had three hall of famers maybe four on that team they were good okay and if you look back you know. I remember leaving Yankee Fan. Or how are we? GonNa beat them. One game it's like Randy Johnson pitched seemed like every game. Steve Smith third base coach. One of the third base coach. I believe later told me that. He held griffey up. He ran through the red light and You know if you remember John. Wetland couldn't get anybody out and we use Mariano I remember the grief we took retaken this youngster on the roster. But there's such a process of getting to the end of the setup for wetland a year or so later but funny John. Wetland came up through the years later with the rangers and he said Buccaneer. Talk to add something on my heart for a long time and we got John he said you know. I WANNA apologize for not being able to pitch in that game because it drove him the next year to have a great year and he. Mariana were great great tandem and he said that. I've always felt like I apologize for not being available to pitch in that situation. I went John Really Johnny. Carry that around with him forever and it was such a relief for him to get it off. It's just tell me about your first. Look Derek Jeeter. Gee I look was. He's in the DUGOUT SCOUTING Director Bill. Lindsay said Hey I want you to meet our first draft pick this year maybe one hundred and sixty five pounds soaking wet about six one six two and I you know and then I've met his mom and dad and his sister and talked to them for a while. I said Yes sir. This is GonNa be pretty good here. 'cause all the things that are going to challenge a lot of players off the field are not gonNA. He was brought up right the way he interacted with the cisterns mom and dad. How alert his eyes were you know he? This was a peripheral guy. He noticed the world going on around him and he you know he reacted accordingly but all the stuff that was going on all he wanted to do was watched. Bp He didn't WanNa get caught up in the HOOPLA and what what was he wearing what TV show. I WANNA watch the Yankees hit and take into. I thought that was pretty cool. He tells the story about how he got sent. He had its first taste of big league in nineteen ninety five You're the manager. And he tells the story about how he and Rivera got sent to the minor leagues on the same day and they were kind of crying together. Do you have any memory of that setting that to hall of famers in the same day in one thousand nine hundred five where we brought him back. Okay we'll tell you about. I brought them all in When I decided to take them on the close season you know Derek. We had him travel with us. Just because I wanted to be exposed that years later he said you know. I thought that's where the Yankees were supposed to be every year but I he talks about a conversation. I had all those young kids in office and I said listen if I found out that you guys run the streets and messing around up here. Not using this time wisely. They got instructional league. Going on down in Tampa right now and we can take your ass down there. Derek told me laces man we never left. We never left the hotel room for about a month. We were scared to death that you were going to hear something about us and Sunday fout. Derek was You know if it was all I can say about him as you knew that he was going to be as good as he was capable of being some guys. You see the attitude or the upbringing. Whatever you're going gosh it's got ever gonNA reach his potential and you get worried about it but there there was a there was a real piece of knowing that he would be as good as capable of being jean-michel told me a story once about Flirting with the idea of trading Mariano Rivera in May of Nineteen ninety-five. I wanted to get your perspective on this stick tells the story that you guys were talking to the Detroit Tigers about David Wells. And it's kind of being kicked around and then there's a minor league game as a stick always used to tell the story he got a report that Rivera's fastball which as stick told the story typically was ninety ninety two miles per hour and suddenly he's thrown ninety six ninety seven and stick called down to the Minor League Called down the minor leagues. It sounds like you've heard that story. Go ahead no. I haven't but I I. There's a lot of Mariana stories that gene gene gene was one of the best of talent and quite frankly out buster. I think that's why there's more poor vacation of players in today's game. I think than at any time I can remember because those phone calls. You said thunk. Oh Gee would call. Everybody would get input and then at some point he would make the decision but there wasn't anything he didn't know about a player a Melito Pariahs or Bob. Wakeman are all these people. He would pick up a Paul. O'neil Emmy Times. He made phone calls and found out the little things that make you make good decisions on players. I thought he brought him up the first game. He pitched us we spot started him in Chicago against the White Sox. And I'll forget you know. He had no breaking ball and he was supposed to two or three. Maybe four innings tops. They were just starting to stretch you now we got caught in the bond and neither starter. I to any get by. I look over at the pitching coach. Tony I go. Gosh who is this guy and then here we go again. He pitches and other anyway. Let's try one more. Try One and it was and he's stationed without a breaking ball without a cutter now. Just late life fastball. It was a high fastball. And then when the cutter came around it was over but he is breaking. Ball was awful buster. It was awful it was it was a cement mixer back up and it was just a twirly bird and it wasn't good but we kept looking. Rangel. Who is this guy is pretty good right here. Let's try one more in. We finally took him out. And I gotTA check that box for. They only look at it but I'm through four or five innings and. I think that one of the guys in the other lineup was John Kruk because he used to like to tell that story about how they got the same scouting report. You referenced that you know this guy it coming up. He's kind of a number four type. Starting very good stuff and crunchy said like the first batty was like what who wrote that scanning afford the old scouts caught. That come again. Action the fastball. You think you're on it and it takes another little hoppy and all right so tell me about curt schilling and Randy Johnson. Managing those two guys. Oh my gosh you know. We traded for Randy. I'm sorry we traded for Kurt because he was hurt. You know I remember Joe Garagiola talking about it and I said Joe you know if the reasons availables coming hurt I mean and we basically had to you know to set up him being the pitcher he was but they were great for each other. You know Kurt would piss shut out or shutout innings and he'd walk by Randy who's GonNa fit the next day he got. Hey top that when you big so and so so and so and walk up. The runway brandy had steam coming out of here and they'd go out there and there was a very good competition in a very healthy way and they set off each other watching those two guys and one of the things that I told Joe in our owner Jerry. Colangelo said listen if we if we can win the game. These guys start in the playoffs. Were world champions. I said what do you mean so? They only got to win their starts with off as an way. The rotation goes into playoffs. You only have to win their two games and you're in you win it all that kind of sold our by on it and we When we got him he wasn't healthy he wasn't curt schilling. We had you know you had to kind of re have back then. It was kind of such and go but I want those guys fed off each other rainy. Houston I'd say Randy won't you too old? I basically goes no ramming. You know we've put what what's going on. A bunch sign randy would hit with put on a hits on the front we put on the hit and run you take. I mean it was finally I said Randy. Here's the deal you get up a set of signs and you give them to us and you tell us what you're going to do so at least. The runner knows. Oh no no no. We're not doing that. You're not doing anything we put on. Anyway it's like vanilla you'll like him every fifth day and he was right. Tell me about from your perspective. When you're with the Texas Rangers you guys wind up in. That situation may be the most watch trade talks in the history of baseball. Alex Rodriguez on the market and the talks between the Rangers. The Red Sox went on for weeks and weeks. It seemed like Tell me about those well. We had the that deal. We Got Soriano for Alex We actually had a deal. We could have gotten A little bit deeper into it. We could have got canot. We had five players to pick from Yemen. The Yankees Player of name later one of them was Robinson Canot and we ended up taking A Guy that actually playing the Big Leagues Utility infielder for a long time. But they could tell that canot. They didn't have a number on his back. They were moving in from field of feel where scouts couldn't have fallen as well. But we almost took to know the way I understand it but we had robbins canot and Soriano in that deal but You know we could move forward in Texas with like thirty forty percent of payroll tied up in one player and Alex was a really good player pressing Buttons People Forget. He held up his end of the bargain there. But the Red Sox we were trying to. We could've had lowell in that deal. We could have done a lotta things back and forth but it reminded me that timing is so important. And when you've got something you gotta go because it will go away and they ended up I think going to the marlins being a part of a world championship team down there yet. Did you think at one point that that he was gonNA wind up going to the red sox because it felt like on the outside like you guys were down to the one yard line. Yeah we had We had a pretty good deal. Worked OUT WITH THEM TO But we felt like the player named later thing in the story also gave us some flexibility with our payroll which we needed in Texas. But you know that really good world series team in Texas was put together the result of that. Deal that John Hart made the setup payroll there where they could afford to go get other player and that deal fell apart with the with the red sox in December and then it wasn't until Aaron. Boone blew out his knee playing basketball for the Yankees. And I know Brian Cashman the Yankees General Manager. Work like crazy. To keep that information tamp down when the ENKE's reached out to you guys was that I remember hearing about that for the first time. Yeah we move pretty fast. Twenty buster's years later. My son said the somebody asking him but hey he was maybe nine or ten years said. Geez you're dead and then they traded. Alex Rodriguez. Yeah I knew about it because he would like. He was asleep in the car but he was listening to everything we were saying. He said I knew about that deal two weeks ago. It's funny I later on. So what else did you know what I learned all the minor league reports and all the jargon. 'cause I would hear you guys talking here. The Minor League reports come in every night. We're driving home from stadium but I don't know that was one of the deals that worked out great for everybody but Soriano played well for us. Yes from big big years in Texas at a lot. Better rate of a money right. There's a couple of proposed rules That I WANNA ask you about first off as a manager. How do you like the idea of the three battery role for relievers? I just it's it's I understand what they're trying to do. But it's kind of it's going to change the game. It's going to take away some jobs for certain people but you know someone said it's continued to castration of the Ma- Major League manager but you know if they think is GonNa be the game up and they've got some reason to believe it It just I don't know I I think. Ask Me after the place where year I think you're GONNA put together your bullpen differently. I think you're GONNA Look guys different for the for the draft even from your minor leagues. And it's it'd be like saying we're going to do away the DA so you no longer are able to carry head Your Martinez. You know you can think about some great left on left guys and you know the more you take away strategy the more the fans find it a little more. Cerrell you know. I think they liked the song. Tweet pitches and and being able to second guess got cluster. We did a game. But nobody in the ballpark. Okay and two hours less than two hours and five or ten minutes and the thing that hit me with how much faster we played the game There was no walkup music. They would know all this Look at me gyrations. It was. They played the game. And there's a way to speed the game up the biggest thing you got to get into the tempo of the way they play the game. I challenge you look back in the late seventies early eighties watch how much faster and the lack of fake drama there was in the game. It was look play the game. It's a pure play on the game. That's how they feed the game. Oh I'm not a big fan of because I think it really decreases the strategy and and what fans can say what they would have done the hate 'cause now they're just going to say hey he couldn't do anything. It was a rule. I don't mind them saying that. The that managers have to make a quicker decision on replay and they also if if a player tells you to check the replacement players wrong. There should be some penalty for not their second. They go check check. Check that what if they're wrong which we certainly have seen examples of that. That's for sure. What do you think about the idea of electronic strike zone you know on the surface? I don't like it but but I gotTa tell you I've seen the technology. I was on the competition committee that this isn't something that just pulling out of the air and there and there'll be some bumps along the way could you imagine watching the pro or college football game buster without instant replay. And you know you're going to get it right you know. It's serious frustrating. Sometimes when they say human error is part of the game. Oh really is it you everything we've done since I we try to eliminate human error but I'm not as down on it as everybody thinks I would be. I think until you've been in a dugout and had you know. There's so many borderline pitches that they can call ball or strike. And and not be penalized for but now there's A. There's a certain the only time you ever get on a baseball game or get mad as balls and strikes on the on the basis and they've eliminated a lot have been dictated that some of them parts in years past might have on you know Kinda rookie hazing and how tough it make it on some of the guys but I say I think if you see how good the technology is and how long they've been working on it. You might embrace it a little bit more but the I think by. I think the thing that I would be having for lack of a better way to say it the most sad about if they go to electronic strike zone and how it would change the position of catcher which I've always loved to write about and it's been so much of the central part of baseball that makes me wistful about the whole thing that all of a sudden this position where managing your game and handling the pitchers all like ninety percent of that would go out the window. Are you talking about gesture for framing? I'm talking about that and I feel like it will become an offensive position much in the way I and second base would become especially because I've heard from some Majorly catch they believe. Within five years you potentially you're GONNA see front office is calling balls and strikes dictating balls and strikes actually be not balls and strikes pitched elections for catchers that a lot of that stuff will come from the analyst. Yeah that's where we got three three hitter rule if we get to if we get too sterile and there's no human the human element as far as the game itself and we have. What have we taken out of the game If in football by having instant replay I just don't know there's not much interact with umpires today anyway. And the the you know. It's like they're talking about this. You can't throw over first base and able and rookie balder without stepping off now. That's silly because what's going to happen you're GONNA make the game longer. You know just educating by listening basically able in Rookie Ball. They're going to have a rule that you cannot per over to first base from the stretch without stepping all first so that eliminates left in or having a good move. That means that you're going to step off stuff all steph off. Hold the ball. Try to change the the timing of the runner and catchers and. That's what brought it to mind. Bustard catchers you don't care if they can throw anymore because they can't throw anybody out so it's GonNa be a hit and catch and if they take away that they don't have to worry about framing anymore and I think frames most misunderstood things out there because I'm Pires. Don't wait to see how you catch it before they call balls and strikes. They're making the decision before the balls in the glove. Yeah one hundred percent of you and I've talked about that and how You know those sometimes can be deceiving. Buck I appreciate your time on this love hearing stories and I always wanted to ask you about Steinbrenner. Always wanted to ask you about Don Mattingly in the ninety five playoffs. Or you're GonNa make me have to think about what was probably the biggest down moments when this maybe next time. I appreciate a buck art bustard. Thanks for having me. I'll take care of yourself and stay safe man ears. Tim Kirk Cousins Baseball. Fix About Bo Jackson on this date in nineteen ninety three Bo Jackson. In his first game with an artificial it homerun. Bo Jackson was one of the most remarkable athletes ever to play Major League Baseball. I think at one point. He was the fastest and the strongest player in the game. At the same time Stewart a scout jokingly said once he saw it bubble get a five hundred foot home run and catch it before it hit the ground and then through the whole thing in the Air George. Brett told me he he ever by Bo Jackson. He said I've never gone to the bathroom while bows into play as I might miss something that I've never seen before and I was there that night at Memorial stadium when Bo made a running catch and then ringing left. Centerfield fence like a race car on ramp track. I've never seen anything like that. And I never will again. Bleacher tweets already buster bleacher tweets for Thursday. I up. Pk Steinberg our guy. He writes in which manager historical or current. Would you most want to sit on the bench with for a game now? I KINDA PK. I kind of had that opportunity the last decade working on Sunday night baseball. 'cause I'm not far from where the managers are and I've actually had conversations sporadic conversations with some of them during the course of games like they'll look over at me and give me a thought or give me an idea But to actually sit down with them the entire game I think from History Leo Durocher who was famous for yelling at players on the other teams. I'd love to know if that was actually the case And then I think among current managers. I love this next Alex Cora who is apparently really good at connecting with players during the game run Reynecke. The the interim manager for the red SOx talks about that. I love to be able to hear that as it's happening. That would be neat. I love the idea of a manager. Heckling opposing players. That's used to happen. All the time needs to happen more across all sports we got Mitchell at tigers underscore of underscore. Dt writing in if you had to build a rotation based on postseason accolades over the past two decades who follows madame. Yeah boy postseason accolades. It's funny when I I read this question. I didn't see the specific title postseason accolades. You know what I cover Jake. Arrieta tremendous playoff game or was it in two thousand fifteen. The wildcard game. That was phenomenal. John Lester. I think absolutely would be happy to be an ex. Justin Burland had a lotta great moments in the postseason Max Scherzer game seven of two thousand in nineteen that was really cool and just generally speaking. I think any rotation GM to piece together. Jacob degrom one after being there Jason Miko at Jason Miko rates in when covering something controversial like the Astros signed stealing scandal. How do you try to cover the story fairly and accurately while not tarnishing or jeopardizing your poor with the players inside baseball question here? You just got to be honest and if it jeopardize your report that's the way it goes but you have to be honest and you have to be direct in your reporting I'll give you an example Carlos. Correa someone that I've gotten to know. Well I did a couple of sixty s on them went down to Puerto Rico You know I really like him I think he's a good guy If you remember that press conference the day the press conference with the Astros when he spoke to reporters in the clubhouse that day I thought he did a phenomenal job and I talked about that on air and the next day when he went much further and was talking specifically about specific moments that the Astros did not benefit from science dealing in the two thousand seven two thousand seventeen season. I thought he went too far and I told him that if I had seen him in person that would have told him that Dan and and you know he wasn't and I know all is well enough to know that he can separate those two. But I've had players get mad and that's just the way it goes you know you're not there to be friends with them like a dog ignoring you after you go on vacation. That's that's how I feel like it goes on that sort of thing go. Last one senior Hendrix at senior Hendrix writes in what percentage of revenue do home games bring in for Major League baseball teams with all the ticket end food and drink sales. I know it's sisal but I also. Tv contracts are enormous. How much is lost by simply not having fans well it's enormous And it really depends on the on the particular team you know baseball so much different than the NFL where it feels like generally speaking you have all the revenue stronger one pop name basically split it in Major League Baseball. It's so much different In terms of each team having a different television contract locally each team depending More or less on the money generated on Game Day. I think generally speaking small market team is a hurt worse by not having Game Day. Crowds they are. I think they're more reliant on on that than team say like the Yankees already. That does it for Bleacher tweets. You can use the. Hashtag bleacher tweets on twitter orioles fans to Director IRA buster for not asking any orioles questions to buck showalter Eva. I was going. He had great stories about the Sanders and Randy Johnson. I love the Don Mattingly Stories. I E everything was great question. It's it's all good. We'll have them back on again. And do subscribe review to this podcast. Wherever you listen your podcast and do WanNa tease who we have tomorrow. We don't quite have him locked in. But what do you think here? I'm pretty sure that we're GONNA get Dave Martinez of the nationals. That's what we've been told. We just have a locked in the time. And next week we're going to refer to his hall of Fame Week And we got a couple of hall of famers lined up Mike Basinas. Who's of course just recently inducted in Jim Palmer? Among the hall of famers are going to have next week in a couple of other exciting possibilities that I need to confirm That's it for today. Might thanks to buck showalter. 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Mt. Rushmore of Athletes Who Would Dominate Any Era

Mt. Rushmore Podcast

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Mt. Rushmore of Athletes Who Would Dominate Any Era

"Greetings welcome to the Mount Rushmore podcast. My name is Jeff, joined as always by my good friends Richard. Love and Michael outy Richard and Mike elected abate and deliberate the Mount Rushmore or a variety of topics. But this week they have a challenger from the outside is a gentleman who we are grateful that he listened to one episode of the podcast and made a suggestion as a topic The gentleman is Vince Bhagat. Oh, how are you sir? Doing well Huckabee. Jeff real good. Could you please tell us and the audience? What was the topic that you suggested until it's Y, you suggested it. the topic that I suggested to you. Guys was the spirit of Sports Pantheon. The top four. With those should say the mount. Rushmore of athletes who could be successful in any era of their respective sport. That's a really cool topic. What inspired that? I imagine you're just a general sports fan, but was something that kind of spurred on that. Question. Tell you the truth I mean eat when I listened to the controversial Wrestling Angle one I I thought to myself. Wow and I. Know you guys are very verse. Forget specifically. Who was the referee? Who did that a which one of you? There was Richard, Michael but I realized when I listen to. There was one that was missed completely, and it was on an angle where he pulled out the gun on stone cold, and I say that because. Again, all those angles that were discussed for great, but I thought to myself a camp debating without even talking to you guys so. of in spirit of what was talked about I was like what what a greater thing to debate is a guy in sports and That was only validated a day after I suggested it to somebody else. You know we're doing. On this podcast, and of course eat, my buddy came under his foreign editor, and I'm like well. What have I done? The, floodgates are open and I'm glad to be part of the though the rush of. Sports Sports talk here and all right cool well. Let's jump right into it. Why don't we have you start out with your first choice of the athlete that? Could Excel in any era of this athletes respect to sport. Okay well I stepped to the four major ones. That you know that we know basketball, baseball, football, hockey and To be frank with you. Best, ball is not my strong point but there's one that specific staff to me. Since he started playing and that's Lebron, James, You know I I don't think I've ever. Me personally have ever A. Bore witness to an athlete where maybe tiger woods, because what was expected that he was going to be the greatest. but Lebron James I remember. He came to where I grew up in New Jersey came to attack writing to play their high school team. And my buddy Tony He goes and says hey. I'm a real good, my son. We're going to see him. I was hoping the next words out of his mouth where you WANNA come with me but I. I couldn't even have tickets to high school in Magic Net in New Jersey. You know it's not a big deal. And he came back and I thought he saw the second coming, and somebody was telling me, and in regards to basketball yet, probably Too much of a statsky always brother was your to run it through. But just to be brief in one thousand, two hundred and fifty season Games, okay at the age of thirty five Lebron. James is third all time on pointless behind. Carl Malone and Kareem Abdul Jabbar to me. That's something he's going to be achievable tonight into question. Obama big consistency in versatility. In just a some, there's all kinds of find all kinds of numbers. On. Different Arizona she played. His own career HIS FIRST RUN IN CLEVELAND regular. Season Stats twenty seven point eight points per game seven rebounds, seven assists. These are all averages. playoffs pretty much consisted his era, twenty six point nine, seven about seven and a half seven assists six per game on Seven assistant. Rebounds per game, so he's running like a twenty seven seven stat line seven Excuse me. He goes. Back. Lynn does like a twenty six eight eight stat line and back years for seasonal Los Angeles reminded injure the first season. I believe an still going twenty, six, eight, almost nine assist-per-game. I mean we can go on and on about him again on Monday numbers But I look a guy like I. Said who is built, you know essentially to play all five positions some that was brought to my attention by same friend of mine, who said disgusting this. Guy Complaining on the court and he can I. Don't know if he's ever been called the play center. I remember Magic Johnson was at one point. His critic kind of blew my. The. Johnson playing center Yeah eighty-one eighty-one NBA Finals against the game. Right and so I mean I guess you can say he. He actually has played the position, but just when I look at a guy like Lebron or an Kinda like. encapsulating to me, he's a guy who can play all five positions. Just built to last, I could seize Williamson becoming that guy. You know in this next era, so these guys were they come around about every fifteen or twenty years coming in pretty much playoff positions in dominated consistent stat line with the expectation of greatness. So. To Me you put him back in any era. I could see him dominating. The seventies eighties near the Jordan era easily and so I. Guess You guys. I love the idea of. Him, excelling in the nineteen fifties or forties I don't know when when the doctor Naismith the game, but. The idea of tossing. Tossing a leather ball up in a peach basket. Just killing it. Sounds pretty awesome. Was the game. was there any contemporary athlete who could not have handled the rigors of the game in its inception is? There's something about the game as it was. Many years ago and its inception that you think contemporary athlete will be well suited for me and I. My my question is. Can He. Put the ball in the basket. Granny style consistently. For before they start shooting overhand started doing jump shots. Does. He have a set shot, yes. Yeah Kennedy's to stand there and just do one two three underhand then. is in the basket and. After the training table meal of a bowl of Chili and some codeine or something literally. Had half a pack of Marlboros. The the one thing about the. Baseball I'm going to call. The winning! William James on the world. With Lebron you know, he is involved in so many endeavors you know in his Kind of personal business life that that very much hearkens back to a guy that played basketball part time, and then ran a car dealership or also worked at the factory so. In theory, he could have done multiple. Multiple jobs just like the guys did back in the in the fifties and sixties where it was just kind of a part time thing, yeah! Okay, well, that's a great vince. Thank you so much a for suggested topic be getting on our podcast and see coming out strong with that first choice of the King King James so Richard Ben Freddie or Michael Winfield You got to respond in kind. I can go first Michael if that's. Why don't you stay in basketball? At least will stay in the basketball state in my free thrilling here. And I'm I'm going with a Kansas Jayhawk. WHOA one. Of One, that is not Jeff Hawkins. I do not know what your basketball heels are. Is this a wilt? Chamberlain is Mr Wilt. The stilt Mr The stilt big the big dipper. Chamberlain Yeah. He was I think. I think when Michael and I were looking at this topic. We were definitely thinking of players from past generations. Who I think would be able to play in the modern game. And I don't know that there's anyone in basketball. History posts three modern era that is more suited to be able to play in today's game than will chamberlain. He was seven foot, one and two hundred and seventy five pounds, but he moved like a power forward. Could play. Defense could play. Offense could run. They actually had to change basketball laws because of him. In the in college basketball, they made the Dunkin illegal because he was so adept at dunking the basketball that it was almost impossible to stop him. They also had stop him from just throwing the ball at the at the backboard for a free throw, and then just running and grabbing it and throwing it in. Because that was his one flaw was he wasn't a great free. Throw shooter, but I think in today's game. He could still working around that. I mean the man averaged? Thirty points and twenty rebounds. He was the only player in NBA history to do that. and. He did that a seven times in his career. In fact, he actually averaged thirty points and twenty rebounds for his entire career. And he knows what else is under, even once him this season. So. I think that. I'm talking that look. If you could sleep with twenty thousand women. In in the in the sixties. Whatever modern day. groupies are throwing at you. If, you'd be serious for a second I've always I always thought that's probably the. Ways the worst thing that happened to wilt Chamberlain's legacy just as a basketball player. Obviously, legacy is other things. That's different. But unfortunately was soon as I mentioned Wilt Chamberlain. Some you guys listening out their new I. WAS GONNA make a? He had flexible twenty thousand women jokes. And I think it just takes away from what A. Amazing athlete he was and how much he was. Just different than the other basketball players of his era, his his athletic ability for his size for something that we just had never seen from big men before, so he absolutely could go against you know whatever your? Bader. Day, center. WanNa compare him against today he would have been. Would have been dominant. That's cool. Cool choice. not just because I'm a rock Jayhawk a you. Alumnus It does seem like we'll to. Himself did kind of bridge the old game in the new Gamer kind of image of modernity. The the contemporary athlete emerging. And almost like somebody who was already in the NBA, even in the college game felt felt like yeah. In the sixties, you watch some of those old game films of him in the sixties. It just looks like a player from a different era. Looks like somebody from like the eighties got dropped in. Yeah to sixty game in the players from the sixties have no fucking idea how to cope It's just an Australian to deal with them, yeah! ALL RIGHT VINCE! What is your second choice sir? All My dad's. The, her giants Fan, and so the idea of suggesting they Lewis is the greatest you know suggesting giving your dog a salad dinner, so it didn't go over too well, initially but He respected where it came from. It just caused me about eight minutes in my life. Listening to him talk of the greatness of Lawrence. Taylor, and I. Love You, Dad, but you know. But anyway, as far as as I was getting to the stats just A. Host Twenty eight career Games on the two thousand fifty tackles at forty one point, four and five sacks, nineteen fours from bulls, nineteen fumble recoveries, thirty one interceptions and a stat that always gets me as lacquer pass deflections, one hundred nineteen. He played the idea of a traditional linebacker. Tight end. I should say before you know like. When grant came in I was like what twenty ten before that guys came in. Tight ends that the way that titus would become, but but ultimately a traditional Middle Linebacker, and to me the thing that always captured me about his Iowa play was he was just a clean tackler. I say clean not so much when he would you know Ripa Guy's head off. You know playing I. Remember his ammo was. I think it was against a guy in San. Francisco, where might have been Tampa where he tackles the guy and goes You can't stop me a machine jerk and I think of that moment on as a human being I was just the idea of playing him. would be you know like if you were going to get drafted in the NFL team going to? Disincentive bengals like Oh God I got play Louis twice a year you know. Just at that sort of that sort of ideology in granted Lawrence Taylor, carry that in spirits author about Louis I get I. Mean just a few and I. Don't know how far you guys have watched football. Necessarily I assume I know Jeff. You've talked about not being sports guy, but but to give you perspective if you look but Darren. SPROLES Ray Lewis It was a four thousand two week three of the twenty. Twenty ten or something like season or twenty, two thousand nine season where he? To. SPROLES gets the ball and Ray. Lewis Jackson up the middle clean shot. And the keynote keynote interceptions is career where you know. Eddie George catches the ball on the flat, and he just essentially steals it from running back, and that cements their trip to Super Bowl thirty five. And granted other players other highlights too, but the main the main fixed point that I feel that Ray Lewis would allow. Ray Lewis to succeed in any errors that he pleaded traditional. Three former Linebacker, and just his style of tackling his ability to go side the sideline to sideline and play the game that way. Especially how the game is played now with more much more than space up the middle. Almost gave him free rein versus other will say you might say a pass rusher. You know with way penalties or call now especially on quarterbacks you. There is not as much Lee a leeway. Wiggle Room. You know sometimes you see causing you. Just create your head. You're like Oh. My God I can't believe the rest call there. Again my perspective on. Who I feel is would fit in any era of football so. Hey cool choice, gentleman. Do you have any response? Yeah, no, I like this pick I think the the Lawrence Taylor versus Ray Lewis Debate is is a very valid one. I certainly I think physically. Lawrence Taylor would have been able to play in this era. There's no question about that. All the physical attributes are there. Know is there a need for a linebacker? He kind of lines up as a as a down lineman. Maybe, not as much in today's areas, they. There is for Middle Linebacker. And also also Ray Lewis would murder somebody in any era? Let's let's keep that in mind. Is. Mean I'm sorry. Be An accomplice to murder okay. Alleged alleged. Guys let us know your second choice. Our second choice is when I was thinking of this, I was thinking of going backwards mostly like who was a more recent player that could have played You know back in the day and I thought well. How far back do you want to go? So I thought of baseball and I thought who would have been the player that would have dominated in the current era. And then twenty years ago, and then from eighteen ninety s, and then I thought. Randy Johnson a MLB. Pitcher known as big unit because he was six ten and. Kill Birds. Pitching. Lewis I'm like Ray Louis. There's no doubt about this. Yeah, he. You know he went over three hundred games and pitched a perfect game and a no hitter during the world series, MVP, champion and you know had one hundred mile an hour fastball pitch for twenty two years, and like just had like a great mustache, and I figured like it. Who's playing the eighteen ninety s? He would have like a great mustache then to and I think. That was just what you look for. You look for this guy. That was just this massive. Presence that through his fast and heart is anybody, and then maybe also doubled like into freak show in the off season you know in the winter months traveled with the circus. Like. I think he would've fit right in No matter you know deadball era or Present Day and I think he I think he's one of those. Kind of you know. For being so I think he's kind of underrated for being how good he was like I think everyone is so quick to kind of look to see who the most. Current best. Baseball player is that they forget this guy that you know. Pitch for twenty years and was like amazing. For twenty years like it wasn't like he had like you know maybe his last year, he kinda lost some stuff with the giants, but I don't know I, think he's I think he's a guy that would have been. Amazing, no matter literally no matter what year he played a war with her wearing. Knee socks are not. Michael to your point. You talk about like the Lore you know. The Lord of a player like to baseball is A. Conglomeration stories, and in that Lore of Randy. Johnson, grown up back east. We always heard about him didn't see too much. We came to the Yankees but now if you remember the All Star, Game Theory is ninety six probably off, but when he threw against John Crock and almost took it off and. That was a complete accident. They both those each other like no problem and then the next swing. John Kruk. Spin Rooney three, three, seven, twenty, or whatever and he swings and he's just like. Give me the hell out of here. You you know the idea of I mean the idea of going up against Randy Johnson and all star game could be hazardous to your health. Let alone a real game so a very good choice. I agree with the idea of six foot, ten guy with a big mustache, just the idea of going up and going up against him like Oh God I. Guess like wrestling the Legion of doom. You'RE NOT GONNA. Get these guys tonight. Just looked like a big mean son of a bitch to and just. That's just appreciated in baseball. No matter you know whether it's the sixties or the forties or twenties, or you know when they first invented it so. It does seem like a guy who. A A a comic artist could make a good base bulk cartoon. Character like caricature. Yeah! it's funny. You say you say cartoon I just watched. There was easy top documentary on Netflix. Billy Bob Thornton as we'll stop my head, but Billy Bob. Thornton talked about him He's like man. It's kind of like as easy toppled up your neighborhood. You'd be like if you like if bugs bunny show. Baseball and characters like if the bugs bunny correlation could be anybody who probably Johnson I. totally agree with you like you know what's up. Doc and I'M GONNA. Just strike you out and. Can't get you know combination of that and Kowalski get off my woolen. Hundred! Yeah plus he had one hundred mile per hour fastball, plus that one pitch the just luke over and over, so they swung out at three times in the one pitch. It was exactly. I never thought of that. Thank you I forgot. I forgot bugsy play. Baseball could see a sports agent back then thinking I can make a lot of money from the mustache, wax or snuff. Distributors of America with this Guy Sponsoring got agrees. Dine sponsorship for Your Randy. Okay so we are at our halftime, and this is such a fun topic and I'm excited to get to the second half, but what to take this moment to invite. Whoever's ears are receiving this podcast on whatever platform to join us in our social media discussions that happen out on twitter and instagram and facebook others have, and they are currently on this podcast. fitz-pegado reached out and commented and made suggestion, and now he's talking with us, and it's been a lot of fun to actually get in dialogue with some of our listeners in time, so please go out there and suggested topic. If you. Download rate in review and listen to past episodes. You could evaluate them and determine which argument we should have made it. We didn't so. That's another reason to go back and listen to some vast episodes. We really appreciate it and I think with that. We're going to get back into our third round. Of the Mount Rushmore of athletes who could accelerate any ear of the sport with Vince Pagano third choice. Okay? Well thank you, Jeff and again. Thank you for having me. Guys as well the third choice that on that came to be here. was to me was the easiest for me I. Say that with confidence because it's been approved by everybody I've mentioned before guy. So, validations fun! But it was. You might know him he's. He's in Oakland Athletic, but it's not McGuire or Canseco. He's an athletic a Yankee a dodger. Omit I think he played for. The Albuquerque Isotopes Ridley Anderson. Ricky Henderson of the modern baseball. You talk about a character I'm sorry you're GonNa, say something. I was just GonNa. Say the greatest leadoff hitter of all time. Absolutely absolutely I'm a big believer in versatility efficiency on five eight hundred eighty pounds, if I'm lucky. Ungrateful Eighty Dollars. And so the idea of the greatest leadoff hairier history, you know kind of in that range. He wasn't Vegas Guy but he can move. And, I never played ball. the way you know I never played in high school in the, but if I was gonNA play baseball like anybody to me, you know it would be liquor Galveston? One thousand, four hundred six stolen bases. And next in line from there is Lou Brock and Lou Brock had nine hundred thirty eight. I know today's modern baseball game. You know there's not as many steals or steal attempts, you know it's not as big of a thing or using frowned upon but I. Still See guys like Billy Hamilton and other guys try to steal bases onto me rick. Don't don't run out one peer place. Forgot about him and Jose Reyes. So And all those guys album together, but to me the the idea of a guy who take a three to three and two count and turn it into a run. I know there's so many statistics. I'M NOT GONNA. Start rattling off because I don't do well numbers, but I do do well with what I see what I saw growing up because those games were actually televised as games of me. When they play the Yankees when he played other teams, it was amazing I. Mean You know time stopped on my block? You know when Ricky Henderson was on TV. The stats like so many things steals, but also thing. I'm being a guy who played field when I did play I played. You know like readily softball recently. Left? Field you know, it could be a real pain in payment of, but you know with all right handed power hitters, guys WANNA kill it. There's one statistic defensively. That has really popped out at me. was put outs as a leftfielder. The all time leaders Barry Bonds, five thousand two hundred, twenty, five next is Ricky Henderson, five, thousand, two, hundred, and fifteen, and the guy below dining zach week to i. don't know maybe Iraq and. Four thousand, nine, hundred ninety so roughly. A few hundred more and then the next guy is at least four, thousand, four, hundred, forty, two, a massive amounts of separation between Ricky Henderson and whole lot other guys with putouts. So to say, he was fast with the an understatement. Again, you know we can talk about metrics and stuff like that, but some things that always catch me about. Him was just held again in spirit of bugs, bunny cartoon character as kind of war He has some funny quotes. One of the stories was he used to kill everybody playing poker on the road. And he would do that by counting cards. And one of quotes was. I think playing cards given the opportunity to relaxing the game, so I know that I started playing poker late in life Dan. So. One one of the with this where when he got his first place in New York, the Yankees are. Have you heard this story where he goes You know I got I got a new place. I forgot. WHO said it, too, but he goes It's I can see over at the entire state building. As a true story. The. Entire stable thing, but yet I say that because he wasn't always the smartest guy but I disagree. I think he's one of the smartest guys to ever play the game. Because of his efficiency to just get on base and steel, anouilh said it lay off the stats, but though I think it was nineteen ninety in. The there was when he when he had his hundred thirty stolen bases That was that same year. He still based thirty I. think it was up to a certain point like all his first, he had stolen thirty third base, thirty, two or thirty three times. The Minnesota twins team at that point had thirty two stolen bases collectively as a team. Though so yeah, I mean you know again. I disagree I think he's one of the smartest guys that were played a game. One most efficient guys in one of the most versatile guys ever play the game to play the game for twenty five years at a high level from a dodgers and everything in between I think he's probably drop them in any era. He's good to go. Oh! That's great. Yeah, you kind of described him almost as the opposite of Randy Johnson, Dante. A. Strong man at a circus sideshow, but This kind of still the average, average, athletic, very athletic person. He is the screws men that goes in and makes the impressions. The Wax Impressions of the keys take into breaking. into the the the hangman's box and yeah, and then make off with the robbery. Ricky, Henderson wants fell asleep with a nice back on his foot. Wound up getting frostbite and missing three Games Malwa. Continue I. Bring this up because I would have personally loved to see a fifties or forties or whatever era manager after be told to your star fielder has frostbite in can't play. A fly on the wall in that conversation would have been fantastic. My favorite baseball conversation ever probably is Jimmy. Dugan talking to a League of their own when he goes out when he goes Roger Hornsby my parents came down all the way from Michigan Roger, hornsby becoming. Call me a big pile ship and. Like you said I could imagine the conversation with that would have been. Ourika guys boy Vinca some great choices. What do you got for your third? All right, so our third choice and I know Vince, you're. You're sticking with the big four sports. I think one of our picks. At least we're going a little bit off the grid not too far. but we're going with the greatest soccer player. Slash crutchfield wax. Spokesperson of all time and of course I'm talking about Palay. Palay is the official. Go goalscoring record holder he scored in official and unofficial competition, one, thousand, two hundred eighty one goals in one, thousand, three hundred sixty three games, so he basically almost averaged a goal a game. Just ridiculous ridiculous amount of goals he won three World Cups with Brazil and probably would have won fourth and sixty six if he hadn't gotten injured. and. I follow soccer right now. There's the debate between Cristiano, Renaldo and Lionel Messi. WHO's the greatest player their generation? and. It's amazing to me that you've got these two generational talents. And in no point does the conversation even start to go to? Oh, are either of these two better than Palay? because. That's just not a conversation. That's worth having. It's just automatically assumed a Palay is the gold standard for soccer players? And I think it's amazing that he did this in an era when they they didn't have yellow cards and red cards for fouls. If, you've got fouled. It was just all right. You get the ball right there, and let's keep going, and it doesn't matter if you're. Half of your leg got hacked off by. Somebody should not just keep on going. I mean he and he was fouled. There you go on Youtube. There is a video compilation of fouls against Palay and guys are basically literally just kicking him in the Shins as hard as they can, and stomping on him clothes, lining him practically, and just doing all of this whatever physically they could do because he was just two quick into skilled, he was five foot eight, but yet he was still one of the best headers of the ball in the world because he had such incredible hops. Rich Richard I have sorry to interrupt. Quick question for you. Have the rules outside of yellow cars read parts have the rules of the game changed much from. When Palay play to like. To Current? Rules, not this something. This is something that I'm like I'm interested. In 'cause baseball's the same way the rules really haven't changed in. One hundred and fifty years one hundred twenty years. You know aside from adding like game clocks and other nonsense but like. You know when someone can dominate in their. Time, and that was sixty years ago or fifty years ago, and then what it would be like today I think that's that would be interesting to think like I. Guess Everything he would do would translate. I think everything he would do. It absolutely turns like he was far and away the the quickest player of his era, and I'm making a distinction between being fast. You know what you would be able to measure in a forty time versus being quick and I think quickness is something that. I think transcends Ariza more than pure straight line speed does like Ricky Henderson who was kind of quick. Yeah, again fast quick, and he was quick and fast. I think that. In terms of the rules, some of the rules change like I said the yellow cards red cards made a big difference and cutting down on the egregious, just fouling to try to hurt somebody essentially or slow them down. Your sewer now allowed substitutes during the game. You're allowed three substitutes where. You have to play the full ninety minutes every game. So. There's no opportunity for him to play semi minutes the up four to one and the May bring somebody else into. Give him a rest for the final twenty minutes now he was. If you started your out there for ninety minutes, he played ninety minutes every game even when he was hurt very well known for his playing through pain. was there an era of soccer where passing was determined to be statistically? Essential to scoring points. I remember listening to a podcast where they some guy determined that the best way to score was to just pass a lot until you get into i. mean it seems fundamental, but was Palay kind of guy who would just kind of drive it himself into the goal. No, he was somebody who is definitely could drop back into the from being afford to back to the midfield to get the ball and then me passes. To help his teammates out, and that's something with those with those Brazilian teams from the sixties. That went all those World Cups. They were the first team to really. Specialize in this the quote, unquote, beautiful game, versus just lobbing the ball, sixty yards downfield and hoping somebody gets ahead on it or somebody's able to get a foot on it and that kind of. Model kind of. Monitor monotone sort of style of play where everyone just kick the ball as far as they could, and went to go see what they could make something happened. If listed goal so absolutely, I think those Brazilian teams. impaling particular were absolutely influential in what we consider to be modern soccer strategy. I think of him as The, very dynamic charismatic character that I first met in the film victory with Salone and Michael Caine. OPTIMA Michael Cain trying to pretend to be a good soccer player was pretty pretty great, but yeah, they've got. The British guy can be as good of a soccer player as the American stallone. WHO's? Five three trying to play goalie. Pay. All Right! This is passing the ball back to. Vince for your fourth and final selection of athletes who had have been. Outstanding in the sport in an era. Okay thank you guys again in appreciate you guys bringing a but I definitely don't know much about them, so it was good to learn. the fourth one though I have to help different standards Jerry. If you're walk for listening to this you know you love the pick. It! I stick to hockey. I grew up playing the sport on so I. If there's anything I should know, it's knowing hockey. Especially when the era of this particular player played in the nineteen ninety draft he was taken fifth overall. Emily retired. He was the only one left in that class. That will be on your yager right wing from the Czech Republic. As one of my buddies out here, who is a buddy of mine who? I got to know? My Buddy Michael We used to joke around. Call the Czech Republic. You know these are chosen son The NHL has changed so much since I've been alive Errors prior you know if there's any sport I think that has changed and grown enormously. Groningen game has become more. As we see the especially the European influx that has come into the NHL. When that those floodgates opened up? With back in the early eighties. With the red wings in such bringing allowing rush in when Russian players were little come in. Then the game really opened up so Yarmur Yager was taken fifth overall. Ben Pittsburgh Penguins. Ninety just some some stuff about him. career stats wise. He has seven hundred sixty six goals L- hundred, fifty, five, six for six for nine, hundred twenty, one point second behind you Gretzky. Of those goals on one hundred, thirty, five of them are game winning goals so almost ten percent of the goal or roughly eight percent of the goals. He scored game winning fifteen thirty goal seasons for Art Ross, scoring titles, and the list goes on. I can go on and on the thing. That always captured me about him again. That if you're listening, you get more props in this than every. I started working at when it was twelve Jeff surprisingly. I just have been consistent and I remember being in Jin, working out at my dad's showed me to do squats, and I was I was about twelve years old at the time going. Yeah, yeah, whatever and he goes, you know. Who Does it thousand a day. I said who does Yom your Yager. And I thought to myself demand twelve, and if he started doing seven thousand day. I'm about a million in such behind. I got some cash enough to do I don't think club since I. Don't Care How many you've seen. Do Jeff's. Come and so. A lot of players about yager. If you. If you look back until I think it's a who invented what is now modern? Laid the groundwork for what is modern hockey training dry land on stuff that you and I have done. Jeff different kind of training. You'll look into. That is the same kind of that. Yom Yager does when he wants to. I, don't know about you. Guys I had to get up a working more. Got! At twelve thirty, you know, do do a thirty second sprints with thirty five pound vest on me but he does and the running joke that he was every every trainers worst nightmare because the amount of the volume of the way he trained required twenty four seven care. You know and. I had the article, but it was. Essentially some fun stuff where. Most recently using Algorithm for retirement, Florida his trainer He and his trainer would train different. Our Different Times two days when he went game day three days. When there is no game, he would take an eight pound medicine ball and whack against the wall with a hockey. Stick again. That's taking with his hockey. Stick lacking medicine. Why Shoot Hockey Puck I feel ended! On. So things like that the law of all the of all the different training things he would do. And I think all of that compounded into all the things that you can read about and learn about him, but as far as dropping into any era when I think of Bob Your of the guy who originally was gonNA, pick He changed the game as far as the Howard defenseman place. You know the idea of coming into the ice. Not Liking what he sees comes back. Maybe there's a line change meters or Definitely changed the game. The bobby are played ten seasons, two of them on bad legs, and the two of them were kind of sad the Chicago so he didn't have. off injuries. but I think that three years. He played with Oscar. Avenue I, think is the team in the Czech Republic, where pretty much he put up the numbers that would have put him in the record books as the Alzheimer so from age eighteen to forty eight, he was cranking and only two more guys. Above the age of forty five overplayed Gel, game that was Chris Chelios Gordie Howe so to say he's in good company would be an understatement, but again I mean did the groundwork stairs far as the training and his ability to sustain that longevity is why I would pick him as a guy. You could drop any era and play the game a hockey. Let's a cool pick. You guys are Richard. Michael you. Guys Hockey followers fans. Extent. Yeah, do think this. So learning about his, do you think is training? Style came from the Czech. Republic, do you think comes from this kind of very? They're very spartan and very challenging climate or training conditions that one might encounter when they begin in that environment. Obviously, it's he started. You said when he was seven years old. Does he seem like a product of that upbringing and just kind of continued even after he encountered. American hospitality and all that stuff. You Know I. Think Yager I. Think I mean I don't think of someone who is sort of like the East European. No personality type I think he was. In my mind, one of the things I think about with him as he was one of the the first eastern European players come into the NHL and really. Be Be like a popular figure within the sports and someone who was sort of beloved by fans around the sport, and not just by whoever was on their team. Danni Alexander Ovechkin today. and. I look younger and I see it a direct parallel between the two. Yeah? and. I didn't know if you mentioned this or not. triple gold club Stanley Cup ice. Hockey world champions in the middle. That's pretty outstanding. Study Spirit of sergeant. Steer what you're talking about. Richard. The one thing I don't know if you guys know about Yager. Is the IAGO's the guys who have been in different arenas. You see him. If you look them up on Youtube every time you switched to team, there is a running sign where it said okay. Now we need a new friend and guys putting a mullet on guys who come to the ring I. It was the penguins and I think it was the capital's. Rangers and then. I think I'm going to miss the team, but the flyers mid devils. If you're going to play for every eastern team, but the the the the Yami guys weren't sixty with the mullets would be in the crowd. To your to your point, he has you know. He lied the framework for like the guy who came from America in popular became popular here in that intern. Turned whole generation. North American kids onto hockey? Present Company, included. So. Despite the longevity of his career. Did you say? Thirty years. How long did he? Played Twenty twenty years in change. He's when. He is still playing by the way at forty eight in the. Blow on team? Yeah. This is wild, that's. That's that's a guy that hates his personal life. He doesn't want to. He doesn't want to be at home, kids. His kids could do without I think he's got a little bit of gambling challenge in life to probably spray better to stay on the ice okay. Okay cool so guys I don't know one more round to try to catch up to. The excellent choices from our guests Vincent Gano Michael and Richard Woody. Okay I think going back to kind of my my entire thought. Process was this I wanted guy. Or an athlete What's The guy? I'm GONNA and say who played a sport for the sport really hasn't changed much and I guess that's why I interested in richards choice of. Palay and it was. kind of interested in Randy Johnson But I thought of track and field, and I thought of the Olympics and especially like the modern Olympics and Carl Lewis. WAS JUST A. attract star was so. dominant, but dominant with that sort of modern era. Not Quite, flamboyant, but, arrogance. I think a lot of us have watched that. Michael Jordan documentary recently, and he just knew that he was the best and I think Carl Lewis had that same sort of feeling that he knew that he was the best while he was out there. But you know nine Olympic gold medals. Gold medals in the long jump back to back to back in the hundred meter relay and the two hundred meter He was just like this phenomenal athlete that. If you plunk him down into any. Era Of. Running long jump or All the other different track and field events that he participated in, whether is in the first Olympic Games or Any anywhere throughout the years of just being an athlete and runner I think he would have been phenomenal I mean. I was reading about him and. In one, thousand, nine, hundred four, he was drafted by the Bulls. Sameer drafted Michael and also drafted by the. Dallas cowboys in this timoth round, and that just goes to show that people were just willing to like. Take a flyer on, and be like. Hey, maybe he'll COMPLA- for us. Maybe he'll just be this tremendous athlete, and we can plug them in and do something with him. Even though he didn't play basketball, even though he didn't play football, they're just like. Let's just get this incredible athlete on our team. And I think that's just such A. Strange thing that a professional sports team would do, but then when you see. You know how good he was as an athlete I think that speaks to it. Also named sportsman of the century. So. You know that's one hundred years where they found. Sports illustrated considered him. He's maybe maybe the best at his thing for. Of anybody in the last hundred years, Oh yeah, the Olympics from seventy, nine hundred ninety s no, his career spanned from seventy, nine, hundred, ninety, six, one of only three Olympic athletes who won a gold medal in the same individual event in four consecutive Olympic Games. It's amazing a quarter century nearly of being. I thought of like you know Michael Phelps who just feels like. He feels like more. He was like. Kind of of nature born into it whatever his body and trading and everything it seems like the skies to such a one off, but Carl Lewis felt like more of a pure. Athlete all around. You know he survived the whole What was the same who was the Canadian Richard? Ben Johnson. Yeah. He kind of survived that whole Ben Johnson losing the Ben Johnson and then kind of being. kind of vindicated when Ben Johnson was Tested positive for steroids or some. Sort of doping. Although I guess I read that he might have. Dabbled himself, but who knows. It's a really fun. choice although he was born in Alabama, he feels like a very la kind of athlete. There's something very flashing showbiz. Usually I think there's something. Yet Comes out of Just that whole like nineteen eighty-four. Olympics like the La. Kind of codified I think a lot of people's images of. Like famous athletes like Nineteen eighty-four mid eighties in Los Angeles, you know just so. Kind of decadent with. John Williams fanfare and I don't know I think that was a very glamorous time, so I would stand that you think you might might be. Say, H I, guess I. I remember him either being parodied on SNL or being. I think. Eddie. Murphy might've been a comedic scenario about him in stand up routine or something like that so I think his flash and confidence I also remember the first time even hearing the. Concept of positive mental outlook or or positive imaging hearing Carl Lewis. Say I ran the race already in my mind. Each step the race, Iran and one so. The race itself was just APP academic after that because mentally, I had such a positive outlook about. His mental preparedness was. something. He espoused in the. gave credit to. His athletic success and that's that's one of the first times I've ever even heard that concept. In any million much less athletics. No I keep I keep going back and thinking of fences I pick Lebron James and he feels like the only athlete on this list. They could've played every sport. We've been talking about if he is like a person that would have dedicated himself as he did. Basketball I feels like he would have been an amazing football player, or he would have been like an amazing baseball player or an amazing soccer player like. He's the one athlete that feels like. Oh, he could have done literally everything on this list I mean. Can you imagine a six foot eight? Lebron James as a sprinter, our yeah, or whatever just like the fastest in every possible category as long as he had committed to. It seems like he's the only one that was possible for. Rich round. Do have one more question for you. Richard will be. How would you say are Louis Compares to Jesse? Owens, if you laugh, you went that far into the. I. Don't know that's tough. You know I think. I think I think. Personality wise, they probably couldn't be more different. Right complain. But but performance wise and I think. Carl Lewis did it over a period of what from eighty four until you know even before that one thousand nine hundred. Eighty or so yeah, so he. was running. Track events whatever yeah he did. You Know He. He won gold medal in Nineteen Ninety six. In the long jump so I mean his longevity I think is something that the Jesse Owens did not have necessarily. That's another interesting thing about kind of a lot of our choices is they're all long? They've all been players who have played their sport for a longtime Ba Yager who's. Been Hockey for thirty years or wilt. Chamberlain played from the fifties until the seventies. These are all like twenty year plus professionals, I'm sure Lebron's GonNa. Make it that far, and all these people have just like endured and been in their sport for a long time and I think that speaks to the character of air Of the role is sportsman? Is that not only have they dommage in their time, they probably dominate through. Different periods within their time. Whether it was you know for? I don't know how long a particular era of a sport is but Whether, it's ten years. Some of these people have played in two or three different errors of their. Particular Sport and I think that is what is probably the most impressive. They've been able to adapt and change. Hey guys. Schadt. Thank you so much for debating and deliberating the Mount Rushmore of athletes who would have excelled in any era of their sport and. I I want to say that. Even though there's a tradition that the visitors come on the field and sometimes or often win against the home team, it is not a shallow exercise a perfunctory. Exercise! It's something that the visitor has to earn and our buddy. vespas gone shirt earned it. He had some really great choices so. I am going to choose now. The choices that will go up on Mount Rushmore for this I want to start with your yeager because I never heard the name before, and he seems like such a wonderful colorful figure. that. Was Really, really dynamic and really interesting, and almost could go up with the second choice ricky. Henderson. In just kind of outsized persona and interesting personality. But, then as far as a big persona goes, I would love to choose Randy Johnson from Richard Michael. Because? He's such a dynamic character and you know what it's going to be a tie. It's GonNa be a tie because I can't not pick wilt chamberlain because I'm a Jayhawk at heart. And so. Vince! You've come in and tie it against these guys so i. really appreciate you doing. I hate to I. Hate to Corrector your scoring. Jeff but Vince still one his his back. His back in Pixie picked up seven points two or three point so. Oh Hey. Oh, all right when? I scoring chart beforehand, so I have to get a copy of the car. You know maybe framing Henderson frames million dollars. You heard about that. Yeah, you did well with the Russian judges. That was the most important. When he came to track, I felt like Sergeant Schultz like I know nothing. Nothing I appreciate the education on encore loose. Things should be on there as well as the actual Mount Rushmore. For the guy that was the athlete of the century, was it? Yeah yet by foreign that has to go up there on the principal, but again I'm GonNa Principles, but it's your list. Well thanks a lot of begun a really appreciate you a listening be make suggestion and see coming onto the podcast to give your choices for that suggestion, so thanks much. Here's our wrap up. This has been the Mount Rushmore. Show podcast my name's. Richard. I'm, Michael?

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Episode 43 - Spivey Special Stuffed Garlic Bread and Our Top 5 Kids Sports Movies from the 90's

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Episode 43 - Spivey Special Stuffed Garlic Bread and Our Top 5 Kids Sports Movies from the 90's

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This one got at hand, but it was amazing. Yet. Escalated quickly as one of the most filling things have ever eaten heels spivey special stuffed garlic bread took the roof off but was delicious. A lead to one of my favorite text messages ever received until talk about during the guest. Pretty Fun We're also talking about We're doing a first top five list I believe. Is there I is I list that we did. I, think we did a top three. Okay where do the top five kids sports movies from the nineties A very specific set of guidelines to narrow down, but maybe one of my favorite genre of movie. Very, good John Rao that nineties kid movies sports addition I. Mean it sounds funny. We say out loud we were able to find a We'll talk about it in that segment, but we're excited to show you our top five from our childhood. Allah. All eleven it was tough narrowing it down to my top five and our tough visors slightly different although we shared a childhood so I don't know how this happened, but we'll talk about that here in a little bit. trying to get into the show. Let's do I will take a quick break and we will come back with food court files. All Right It's time for the food court. All right. This week for food court files. We've got another troy spivey creation. I'm very excited talk about this one. This was one of the. The heaviest thing I've ever eaten. Yeah it was. It was very, very filling shockingly Eilly made through half of my half. So I made about a quarter of the way through my. Creation and It was really delicious. In the world of man versus food food one food definitely took care of business. Tonight so So for this week we made A. Stuffed garlic bread, the spivey special stuff I listen special. Kinda spinoff of One that we saw in southern discourse DOT. COM But. It we put a little spit on it and it came out a lot of spin. Spinner ruining? All right. So as you can tell from the title, we've got A. Tell by the title. garlic bread. And it step two things Oh So what kind of breakdown what we did to it, but it's got a lot going on we added. Like he said, it's probably one of the heaviest things we ever we ever made in it. Really wasn't that. Expensive to make either. Very. reasonable. I always talk about what we needed. So we had a loaf of Italian bread. We, had garlic powder and butter which was needed to make garlic bread. Yeah. We had bacon. We happen to US Turkey Bacon which normally I'd be against. But I think it actually worked for this because we didn't have baking grease getting into other things. we had Alfredo Sauce. We had. Ravioli Raviolis, we had hashbrowns. Peas chicken. Schick. Then we covered it all with cheese. Yes. It was like six pieces of chicken cutlet. Real thin chicken which I think worked out for it. it was Mozzarella cheese using the entire bag, of Mozzarella, cheese on top of this thing. We used. Cheese Ravioli. And we just use the whole bag of frozen cheese. Ravioli, we didn't make our own wasn't very fancy, but none of our meals really are. then. We did by AMS like twelve strips of Bacon. And this thing. says. It feeds for probably would feed eight and we made it for under. Twenty Bucks Yeah Cost Fourteen Bucks Yeah so very reasonable. A lock on here was busy kitchen today. Yeah. Wasn't. A good kitchen if you had to be the one doing the dishes as for sure. Let's talk about how we made this thing. Going on. Yeah. What kind of break it down in sections because there's so much you have to have going on and you want it to all be done around the same time. Like four things going on at one time. So we had We've Ravioli boiling on the stove. Took about eight minutes for that. We had Turkey, Bacon cooking on the cooking and frying. Pan. and. We had our we cook the chicken cutlet. We keep it up in a little pieces so they'd be gonNA bite size. Added some different spices here there. And we didn't garlic powder on the chicken in some black pepper. Fancy, but the flavor came out Szilard four we stopped the garlic bread. Needs to be fully cooked doesn't go in the oven long enough to actually cook the stuff. So just kinda warms it up and melts that she's on the top bright. So we got our Turkey, Bacon Ravioli the chicken on the. Stove, on still was worth three stogies queued up. When the chicken was done, which took the longest before poured our Alfredo sauce over the top of that. We. Also had some peas cooked up that we cooked. We use the microwave just put a little water in their steamed him up. Real Nice on the. We ran out of burners on stoves. Out of burners, we had to go get another phone at the store. So All right. So at the same time is that we hollowed out our garlic bread bug by basically just raping means item and help like you would like a a bright bowl. Yeah. So make sure you keep your innards though because you might have a little bit of extra stuff that was supposed to go inside. So I think we filled up on entered before we even dove into this because it took so long to bake fifteen minutes at all and that was from me. That's true. All right. So we have our hollowed out garlic bread. So once you hollow out your garlic bread, that was my duty, you're gonNA WANNA butter the. Butter the inside, and then you're gonna hit with your garlic powder. Also at the same time going, we had the air fire growing and we had four hashbrowns going at the same time. McDonald's down Hash Brown. A lot of these meals is basically what we have left over from other things we've cooked. Yes. If we didn't mention hashbrowns before because that was on the stove, it was over in the Air Fryer. So again, a lot going on. Her sure. So you have your hollowed out garlic bread there it's not going to be cooked. Just. Leave it there. we mix the So after the chicken was done before the Alfredo on, then we mixed in the PS, we took the bacon off and kind of use paper towel to get the excess grease off, and then we cut the bacon in the small pieces. Than we added the bacon into with the rest of the Alfredo and whatever yes. Oh, you're gonNA have it just to kind of warm it? You're GONNA have you know you're gonNA have your chicken you're baking your ps and you're afraid of sauce right there. And you just GonNa move everything over the counter they use gonNA kind of. Bill in the garlic bread, the best you can we went. Hash hashbrowns I of staggered. So there are still some room for some other stuff. We then went full on Ravioli probably. Shoulda. Cut It up might a fit better or? Pretty Cool Ravioli just flop it everywhere. We sent a picture to one of our listeners a former guest tyler he was looking at trying to guess but it was and he said wait that's a whole. Ravioli on the right side, and then it warmed my heart that he knows that just picture you'll see the pitchers throughout this video but. It was a full Ravioli is for sure and that was with was so nice when you got into the eating portion. So now we have our hashbrowns in there we gotta Raviolis in there now we're gonNA. Go over to the store wouldn't get that concoction going you're going to kind of fill in the gaps. Yeah. We just started spooning it on top of the Hash browns and Raviolis until it felt like it was going to start falling over the edge of it. We had a little bit leftover, not a ton. We actually fit quite a bit in there because we left those gaps between the Hash browns and the Raviolis to really kind of fill that endless sauce and everything your county just did it with fuel we don't really have like measurements earning we kind of like a full little thing of Alfredo sauce. Yeah. We something metric system on one of the things. To play that game so we just waned it. So after you put your concoction there in between the Hash, browns in the Ravioli, then you get to the old Mozzarella cheese they said two thirds of a cup. So we said Okay and we just did the whole bag, a two cups of Mozzarella cheese there because you're going to have two sides obviously of the bread, you cut it down the Middle Hall without. Yeah. So we ended up having to them used half the bag on each side. We had preheated the oven to three, seventy five, and then once everything was put together. We put that in the oven, a cookie sheet and cook that for. Fifteen minutes. The last couple of minutes we put it on the broiler just kind of melted cheese and make it a little bubbly. You're going to know it's done when the cheese is melted on the top and it's got a little golden feel around the garlic bread should look a little toasted this wall. Yeah. Because you're going to I mean the way we ate it is you want to be able to pick it up right So, you don't want it to be too soggy and don't obviously want to keep it in there too long where it gets burn. Yeah needs to be like a French bread pizza when you pick it up and eat it but. A lot more going on than a Frenchman beats them. Yeah. I don't think the French could make something like this. That's why Americans are huge. We wouldn't be allowed back to France simply made this over. So we took it out. We let it cool for a while I. Think our big concern was there's a lot going on, we might burn ourselves. So we actually we use, we use them restraint which I didn't think we had inside of us and we let a cool for a little bit. We cut it in half. We toasted we ate it. The flavor hits you in the mouth. Here is so Incredible we'll talk about it when we get to our ratings systems but the thing is you're going to have to find that perfect bite where you get all the ingredients in there because we had a search for it at first couple bites because on the edges as you know the bread, it's kind of it kind of comes up to a curve. So there's not as much ingredients on the end there. So we probably should a bit from the middle and then gone on their way out. In the middle. Psychopath. Now. Huge, right though the once we made it to some of the more central bites you get a little Hash Brown. You go a little Ravioli those this the the scarce parts. Wholesome always really like the first bite was really good. Like gets out Prado and Bacon and chicken and all that. tasted. This before but we use that middle has running Ravioli. He's ranges like stopped and should often that your brain and your heart? Maybe, both. Sounds about right the defibrillator there just in case. so true you want to do. This was your creation that we kind of. Brainstorm back and forth that you want to do our I read. I'M GONNA give it four and a half. I think the SPIV Adila on our show, you want to check out on our youtube page that one flavor wise for me just hit me a little bit differently. This one was really really good. but not quite up to the of Adel. This is something I would definitely make again for party. You could cut this into eight easily you can feed sixteen people with a what we made. That's less than a dollar, a person The flavor was good when she got that perfect by there's hash grasses, Raviolis. There's the Alfredo sauce mixed with garlic bread was really good flavor as well. Four and a half spivey specials. GonNa give four and a half by your specials. That is my highest ranking on anything that we've done higher than this del even. And I think part of the reason for that is I wouldn't change anything. Everything that we added even the PS and the. Turkey Bacon like. Turkey Bacon. That's usually. Go for me in most cases, but it actually really worked out here. I. Eat it. I wait much of that. Already eating dinner to but I had to keep eating because it was so good. To find that perfect by. The Hash Brown Ravioli and all of it it it shouldn't go together but it does. Nearly paid off each other really well, you would think. You're just throwing stuff in bread that doesn't make any sense, but we actually Kinda had a plan behind it. It did what we had. These things. into a garlic bread I mean it turned out really really well, I thought that the cooking amount of time that we cooked was perfect. On like you said, it was a lot going on. There's a lot of dishes. Law Dishes didn't get a five for me flavors wrong point. Wouldn't make any changes to it. I just wish we had a professional dishwasher with house that could could`ve Demos for us but that was it. I think the hard part those if we ever wanted to make it again, the measurements that we use since we kinda just go for it. I mean, we put full packages of everything that we had into it so that it's true. All RAVIOLI. Chicken all of the cheese. Houser but yeah, this was one of the better tasting things still I think that Spiv Adila you can go back and watch it on Youtube page Was My best but this is definitely close close second with taste. I think I like the taste even better than the Delo, and it wasn't messy. There's nothing I would change this Adela we had like three or four bike things that we wanted to change try on it but. This turned out really well. It's not too difficult today doubts when you told me what we're making. Again like I said, it's not that difficult to make I mean it's something that you can throw in the oven and. Your. Diets to yeah, we talked about you'll see we have a video described how we liked it and all that. Keogh. The, Cheeto? CHEETO. We're on the CHEETO dire that she. Knew. All right I think that's all we got get anything else. Make this one definitely if. They're the ones we've made so far. This is the one I wanna see someone make. Entangled in a video showing you eating it because it was it was so good. Yeah. Definitely. Any of these recipes you guys make you want to send us a picture of you eating it or just a picture of you. You know what it looks like when it's don or even just giving us a feel on what you felt about our recipes. We'd love to hear it and we'll put it up on our social media. Give Shadow. We already had our first review on the bacon wrapped grilled cheese from Victoria Minor. WHO's pretty awesome. We appreciate. You guys listening to actually take recipe serious because it's one thing food we are very serious about. Eat every day. At spivey special facebook instagram twitter or send it to us at spy special PODCASTS DOT com either way. I think that's Court files. Take a quick break and we'll come back with. Do you like the sweet taste amount. Do Do you like your vodka to both inexpensive and flavored like melons? Beverage for you. From the minds of the host of the wildly popular podcast that shares its name, we bring you the spivey special. One. Part Mountain Dew. Three. To four parts. Burnett's watermelon vodka one, hundred percent fun. Drink one at your next party or at three am playing halo three. Please enjoy responsibly. Hey. Remember that thing the moon landing jazz trapper keepers, manners South Sunny D.. Yeah I remember those things. All right this week for remember that thing we are talking about. Kids, sports movies from the nineties. And we're going to be narrowing down to our top fives will be debating I. Think I think most of the movies in our top five are pretty similar. We'll get debating to do you think we got one difference your number ones a lot worse than my number one. So we'll talk about that as we get going. We'll talk about. So it's has to be a kid's movie. We did allow for. Just ask be a sports movie made for kids didn't necessarily have to have kids playing this. And it had to debut in the nineties I. Think those are only rules. It seems like a pretty specific John of movie. We actually found eleven. That we actually enjoyed that fit this criteria. So WE'RE GONNA start with the list. I'm GonNa talk about how I narrowed it down with Mike grading system I, think troy had something. Similar? Maybe not no trade gut with she's. It's a big one. All right Server that will start their list. We narrowed it down to eleven that we found. There in no particular order, we've got little giants. Mighty. Ducks, which we do that as a group. So it has to be all three. They get the good to get the bad and they have the mighty ducks. Sandlot. Little League. Angels in the outfield. Green. Space Jam. ladybugs. which is probably the only one we haven't seen. Rookie of the year Airbud and cool runnings. That's quite a run for kids ords movies in a very short window. Lot of baseball ones, and they all happen pre strikes or like in a three year four year window beginning of the nineties when most of those. Theaters Yeah of the movie of the baseball ones I have on my list. Two of our ninety three in one of them's ninety four right there on that cusp like you said, right before the strike. All right. I'm going to talk about how I did mine when I came up with my list, the things that I'm looking for. They don't necessarily all to all of them but. Celebrity cameos that's a plus for me. Just kind of brings you back into that movie and you're like, Hey, remember when that person's famous. Kids playing sports was a plus for me. I'd like relating to the character. So that kind of brought into the story when I was a kid Goldberg. Goldberg or Ham. Favorite. Kids, sports movies characters from the Ninety S. icon music that reminds me of the movie. So if I hear a song from the movie, It makes me think of that movie like. Ain't no mountain high enough makes me think of remember the titans. Here. Doesn't didn't take place in the nineties doesn't qualify here but that's kind of where I came with that. No skip parts. So when I'm watching the movie, I don't want him like a watch this part. rewatch ability is something I if it's on TV if I'm GonNa Watch it something I wanNA, watch on a regular basis. And does it hold up which some of these movies do not hold up which is why they did not make ends my top five still like them, but they don't necessarily hold up over time. trying we're going to let you start I. Think we decided we're going to go one through five. Just jump in deal. The obvious that we're not saying anything we're just going our you can turn this off after we do our ones have you seen as run you got like three or four steps of us with lower dies so I try to start us off start with our one was there anything any other grading criteria that you came up with or you just shoot from the hip here? I'm shooting from the hip I kind of have a method to my madness that kind of go over as I jump into my number one I'm not gonNA say it's my number one. I'm going to say that the number one of the nineteen nineties, kids movies in the sport Schon royal a lot of people are going to question this Joyce, a lot of people. A lot of people have been questioned a lot of things in my life, but that's never going to stop me. So I have the nineteen, ninety, four Bach blockbuster I think it went down. Listener I just think it. It went down with the store so. Little Big League was actually mind number one pick. This was a movie that we watched a ton when we were kids out go over basically the plot a little bit here old Billy Heywood was twelve year old kid his GRANDPA was the owner of the twins is grandpa passes away and all I got was a sweater he. Sweater so Billy. Hey, woods now, the owner, the twins you didn't really like the managers kind of a jerk. So he ended up fire him. They would from the board he began manager Blah Blah Blah Blah Blah and a close pennant race down the way Randy Johnson Gingrich Virginia comments the day for the mariners. But the reason why this is number one I'm going to go over row quick their sixth little bullet points I'm GonNa. Have here. Okay. Bullet points their quick don't worry why okay number one you have love. You always need a good love story to Nineteen Ninety Kids sports movie. is, billy woods mom, and Ole Lou, which is the best player they're on the twins. So if you don't have that, I, mean, Eh, that's the number. One focal point for me number two, you have mystery. Okay. A Guy Walks. A guy comes into the guy comes into town on Friday stays two days and then leaves on Friday I mean, how does he do it? I? Don't think anyone's GonNa know. His name is Friday. The won't spoiler alert. You have jealousy. As you mentioned earlier in the one kid's GRANDPA died he got was a sweater. You have one of the best montages, all nine, hundred, ninety s kids movies when they're starting to play. Well, you know put me a coach I'm ready to play. We're making diving plays for hitting shots down the in the gap I think three or four doubles in a row down the line the. Crowds just really get into it. You have an amusement park they're standing out on the bridge the you know the water ride comes down they all get soaked on the bridge, the Amusement Park and you just have overall growth and Billie Heywood is a twelve year old kid the only reason he's able to become the managers because during the summer break of school. So now he's a twelve year old he's getting us he's getting. He started cuss out on piracy get suspended a game by his mother who is just so much going on and to end the movie spoiler closures. If you haven't seen it, Randy Johnson for some reasons coming out of the pin is a lefty specialist. I don't get it. So he's tried out a must win to get worn out big Lou. He's gotTa hit a home run if he wants to marry billy hey, was mom. You know he makes a mistake in loop since it for a ride no course in ninety four. Griffey was probably pretty young. He goes out there makes a great plain and the season, but it just shows how good a job Billie Heywood did as manager and the owner because even after they lost the fans, they just wouldn't leave and they came out and got the standing ovation there I think at the time in the Metrodome. Okay. So let me get this straight of everything. You just read the unrealistic part of all of that movie The kid being owner and the manager. It's Randy Johnson coming out of the pen that's the confusing part for you. To doesn't make sense of must-win game and Randy Johnson is coming out of tune. The outfit. Okay. I, do like that movie. Does have griffey junior. So that counts as your celebrity cameo, an Randy Johnson and a couple of nuclear glue Pinola to came out to the mound Brigham Randy Johnson. Got The cameos we don't have kids playing. We do have the struggle of trying to balance his. Friends and fishing time with managing the twins and owning the twins. I do got the music. There's a lot of March for me. I don't like when GRANDPA dies I don't like any of the love story stuff. I really just like the montage for they start being good at baseball. ECONO- have it. You gotTa have his favorite player who's on the team he has to trade to cut him. Id Customer Cut Yeah because he gets all excited for the CNI single and the. Author. Such a good movie though every. Time you watch that movie is that reliable it's very rewarding. I'd watch right now it's been a while since I've watched these movies on this list. I, watch these time. does it hold up? I think it. Would I think it does I. Think you could watch it now with your kids and they'd be like, wow, that's something I can do a few years. I mean, it made my top five. It's my number five though let's bring down there. I don't even know it's like my number three out of just the baseball movies in my top five. So interesting pick I pick San Lot from my number one. That's I mean that's great. Pig, my twos Zozo close one for me but more more relatable to the story because it's the kids playing baseball. So we've got that we've got the iconic music throughout the music or throughout the movie we got them listening Tequila and all the different songs throughout the movie. I'll watch it from beginning to end. There's no part of that movie that I don't like. Rewatch Ability I. Think I've seen it twice this year. I just love it. I'll put it on if it's on. TV. If I see it on Netflix, time can't think of anything else. I put it on. It holds up pretty well. It takes place in like the sixties or whatever. So. I think the only thing that doesn't I don't like What's his face smalls? Adult I think that's the only part of the whole movie I don't like when he's the announcer at the end. Because he's the dodgers announcer in like it's got to be like the eighty eighties when clearly it should be Vin scully. So. That part of it out like the rest is just so great. and. It's got ham, which is the best character maybe even better than Goldberg, which is debatable but him is just perfect. He should won an academy award for being in that movie. I don't think that's accurate but I think it's true. Look up nineteen ninety-three supporting actor and tell me one that was better than than ham that. Whoever got it? I'm guessing. There's just so many like. They're killing me smalls is something that's always been some lady name Ruth Baby Routes Sign Baseball, Wendy pepper corn. Love that was got that scene doesn't really hold up now that's that that one was kind of awkward for me that seem. Teaches you how to make s'mores. I like when they did like they're up in the tree house and they try to get the ball bag to huge dog. I like when they throw in the chew at the fair and they go on that spin you ride. You play ball girl like all of that stuff is just. Three The good little good little pre strike everyone loves baseball. It's a fond memory and then it all goes downhill after that. But San Line I think that's my number one. Number two I unless you got anything else I had just probably in your top five San Mateo to okay. What's the next one on your list will go for your to okay. My to which I don't think made your top five somehow is the mighty ducks. Didn't make it? I don't we did a podcast on mighty ducks too, and it doesn't make your top five kids sports movie from the ninety s that doesn't make any sense at the. Larger Genre maybe it could have made it but I mean really mighty Doug's horror they beat you just throw bread atom. Stupid. Third Ducks Okay Okay The only reason that it's not number one 'cause mighty ducks too is my favorite movie of any of these movies is because we lumped in with one in three, which I won't watch. One's pretty rough. The kid actors aren't really old enough to do it. Bombay is A. He got a Dui to coach of kids like a lot of that stuff doesn't really hold up some good iconic scenes from the first one but two is used so good Akina Keenan Thompson. In Goldberg and. Portman and all of them together. To has like like you said at one three or go back and listen to our episode on mighty ducks to get my full take on that one. But two is just so good that it carries the other two up my list. Yet number three was so bad I didn't get. We're came off for me I. Liked One two was obviously the better of the three, but it just really didn't have any chance of sneaking into this very solid top five that have gone on over here. What do you have at three then? Three I've got one thousand nine, hundred, ninety, six. BANGER I. Don't want to see the remake space jam. That's M. Ivory. Got MJ got Bill Murray. Fun exciting kind of feels like two thousand and twenty It's based on a true story monster ours first looney tunes and it's just I think it's Really. Good music too. I think our Kelly really picked on this. Was He the one thing that one? Yes. So. Went Downhill from there. We don't talk about that. It's got celebrity cameos. We don't have kids, but you get looney tunes. That's just as good. iconic music you mentioned I'll watch that movie all the way through. There's no part of that I. WOULD WANNA skip. Twice this year. Yeah. The golf scenes great implying baseball's Great Jim Rome, making fun of on the TV's great. Holds Up, I don't want them to remake but. Aren't they in the process of ood already being made I think it's already done. Yeah me too. All right. So what do you have there for number four I. Think Space Jam Solid. You have to have in your tight five that one had to make the list I have rookie of the year at four. Same. For Yeah. Puts this behind little big league in San Lot for you? Most of ninety, three Banger I think it one Righa he's on the cubs how this now higher on your list that's how he made the list. I just don't think this one's as baseball guy. I think that man, Gina Torres is more realistic than pitching in the major leagues at age thirteen or however oral he was hurt his arm he throws a strikes the thing that bugs me about this movie is he throws a strike from the outfield and then they try to tag him at home with that counts and out I don't get why they like sneak under the tax. Flu Granville. Double. I don't get what just happened that play but. He turns big time I just don't get to how he's strict one of the best hitters in the majors out of the law ball. As a big guy, not just hit to the moon his not expecting it didn't you cranky through that fifty seven, mile an hour on the odor. Okay. This one was like thirteen miles an hour the guy licked his lips, seventeen times and still swung through it. They used to do that to mark. Maguire. When he was in the in ninety eight when the ranch as they would throw the law balls to him because he could hit it. This guy should at make contact fouls it off and got another pitch right? Definitely loft. Ball. He's definitely making contact, but he could have gotten out of it. I just like the other pitcher who was that Gary Busey Right Yep. I think that's That's a good supporting cast. Dana stearns really good to. The clubhouse assistant, the locks woman. And? All that does new consoles between the doors in the hotel to double doors. Yeah. Yeah. That's. Definitely a good one same type of him struggling to be friends with his friends ball managing his bigly role similar to little big league. I think honestly this I love what? He makes the Pepsi Commercial With Ray Charles. That's a good seem to. Very good. Seem good again, I just. The unbelievable. What takes down a couple of notches for me. At that age let's say I was we probably watch right when they came out like six to eight range. You're a little bit older the I felt like I could manage a team more than I could. Pitch for one. Will. You didn't have a freak arm that would allow you throw like one, hundred ten or professors star in the movie. Yeah and are grandfathered in on the twins. That helped billy. We're more of sweater kids. I, do have a sweater. Where he talked about my five because I had little big league. What is our other movie that creeped in? This is our sixth movie of the eleven. Yeah. I. Didn't have the mighty ducks because the bread thing carb free diet. I went with an another ninety three bangers with three of my five or made ninety three. Kids movies, cool runnings got coach John Candy as Seen In van in home alone you got tracked stars. You know they trip each other than still WanNa, go the Olympics they make themselves Jamaica bobsled team. You did man, he got that good ending of Grit and fires they crash but they still you know carry over the finish line they get this standing ovation you've on pretty sure they got last place yet. They absolutely I think when you crash and carry the bobsled across that, you're automatically less by. They made it through the qualifiers. Now I liked that movie that was close for me. That was one that was my last one in if we're doing march madness. Now's good good music. Love the songs. It's funny. Stretches that I don't care for that, I wouldn't WanNa Watch all the time. I feel like I'd watch him line dance all the time I love that scene but or the bar fight. Yeah. That's the same scene. The country. Yeah. You know much. You don't even remember the movie at all. I remember parts of it. I just don't like the relationship between the one sprinter in his dad of that was where the guy that didn't want him to go at the rich kid. Yeah. I? Just. Like you said, a mighty ducks probably would have been higher on my list didn't have to add one in three. Ounce Fair. Airbud that one almost snuck in because he's the talk you WanNa talk about realistic. Against Golden retriever being on the. No on the school based their school basketball team was air. But in like class did they make a Mike I was wondering Simmons, Miami University where the? The kids are taking the classes for the dog probably they're like just clearly wasn't done by the dog. was. Signed. It the bottles, the palm. All right anything else for any of these other movies I can't believe I. Haven't seen ladybugs. It's got Rodney Dangerfield as a soccer coach. Yeah, I mean I. I'm glad we didn't go to thousands because. She's the man in bend like Beckham might have made it in your moral remember the titans absolutely would have. Oh Titans Number One yes. Sports movie in general. That's a different episode. We'll talk about the hot take that's not better than caddyshack so you can stop there. You kind of look like wail. sidebar sorry. All Right I think we're GONNA end with that. But you look like a whale. Okay. Perfect for. Our I think that's all we got. We'll take a quick break and we will wrap up the show. 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Hour 2 10/13/18

Dari and Mel

38:23 min | 2 years ago

Hour 2 10/13/18

"As someone who lives in breezy college football, I can promise you that this season will bring the mayhem. You'll feel it during huge wins and heartbreaking losses on Dame, winning drive, drives it in a post game Fender bender. This season teaming up with AllState highlight these key moments. The let fans know if mayhem can show up on game day. Imagine what can happen. The rest of the week for expert advice call your local agent today. Cruising along on your Saturday morning week, seven of the college football season week, six of the NFL season. And we're also underway in the major league baseball league championship series as we'll get back to college football, go back onto the radar here in just a few minutes reminder would just had Chris Pollica on the bear with his three college games and NFL game. I tweeted out his picks. You can find those ADS SPN Dari always at one eight hundred flowers dot com. Twitter feed. We're always presented by progressive insurance by the way and don't forget. We're going to start getting out to some of these games. A site to these games will visit with Joel Anderson ESPN he's at Michigan and Wisconsin in Ann Arbor ianfitzsimmonsespn of Freddie and Fitz Simons covering Georgia LSU. We'll get into that game with him as well. As we cruise along here on this particular radio program. Now to baseball, four teams left Milwaukee with a win over Los Angeles last night game. One of the NFC s. But of the four games, of course, Red Sox and Astros fire up their ale CS a little bit later tonight. Who are the most exciting players the most must watch players still alive in these playoffs? Eight is. Hot. You see jumpy a little there. Mike, you see little eager little over zealous on the button. It's all good. All right. Here we go. Most must watch players remaining in these playoffs Mel man. Let's go three, two one. Hoosier number three. I'm gonna go with three Jose altuve and I look at the Houston Astros Doria and Springer Carreira Alex bregman. He was the most impressive hitter this season for the Houston Astros, but when you look it out to about Nick noca-. Okay, Nick, all the kids at home don't have great measurable. Okay. And tells you, Nick, what tells you, Nick is short me. Don't have great measurable. That's not good. Doesn't have great, measurable Baker Mayfield than have great measurable. But yeah, you look at a guy can one day become a major league player. You'll back to Freddie pot tech. All the great players from past years. Jose altuve as one of my favorite players will watch in baseball. I think we had a hot list earlier in the year about their favourite guys and Jose altuve output, any list, and there's others the Astros you could've put, but I'll go out to at number three. All right. Number three, most must watch player in the playoffs still to use to my number three contributed big time last night for the dodgers just wasn't enough, but it's Manny Machado. You know, obviously the the act was midseason acquisition is this just a short term loner for the dodgers many, many things. So he's a free agent at the end of the year. He could very well be somewhere else, but he's got to make the impression now he's, this is why they got him for series like this for a World Series run a World Series. They haven't won in thirty years. You know, we had a home run in the brave series Homer last night to lead off the. Second against Milwaukee almost brought LA back. And then I think it's Milwaukee, but to me given the fact that we don't know how long he's going to be in dodger blue, but he's such a key in that lineup and in the field to, but in that lineup, Manny Machado, the most third most much watch must watch player still in these playoffs. I can't go there for form. No, I know is a heck of a player baby a Yankee pinstripes. You know, Harper may be wearing the Philadelphia Phillies uniform next year. Let's interesting where the stars end up, but no question Machado last night. Come through in the clutch for the dodger. How about your number two most must watch. I got them the two guys. I debated. I'm gonna go at two Christian yelich and Stanton trade through the most attention. Okay. STAN going to the Yankees, but this trade the Marlins. Okay. Sending yell which to the Milwaukee Brewers kind of made that this team helped to make them what they are. He's been exactly what the Milwaukee Brewers needed. Dr. A lot of different ways may let them in batting average at three twenty six home runs with thirty six. RBI's one hundred ten on base percentage during the regular season. There are three games away the Bill walkie brewers are for making it to the World Series. He's a pure hitter is all around the -bility which you have to appreciate the more you watch and play. I'll go Christian yelich at number two Milwaukee Brewers. Yeah, he, he was up there on my list to. I didn't go with them. I'll go with the brewers to though a brewer on the mound. And we saw him last night. This is a to strike strikeout and inning guy with electric stuff. And it's the reliever, Josh hater. This kid is do come kid because he is young. But this guy is hard to take your eyes off of when he's on the mound. The lefty, the three quarter delivery, the wild wacky motion the hair flowing a strikeout machine. There is no more exciting pitcher to watch in baseball than him. You know any and the dodgers couldn't touch them last night. And eventually they got to the bullpen late and it's a great bullpen. Milwaukee has, but. Boil boy, is he something to watch when he's pitching Josh hater my number two most must watch player still alive in baseball right now. Yeah, it's a good call. Dr out almost went with Chris sale because what he did even relief the other day and what he can do is lights out pitcher in that kind of Randy Johnson mold. You'll get what he is right now unhittable basically and as been phenomenal and some others, you can go with as well from the pitching standpoint, but I'm gonna go to position player Dari number one, God. It's been a favorite of mine. Favorite of everybody is one of the best in baseball. Now you could've gone JD. Martinez let the semen home runs with forty. Three with Rb is one hundred thirty. Martinez did the regular season, but I'm gonna go Mookie Betts, and I don't know how you put Mookie Betts in the top group. I put him at number one excels in the field excels at the plate. During the regular season led the Red Sox and batting average on base percentage slugging percentage stolen bases, and it gets done. Job done as well. As I said with the gloved art knows complete players if not the most complete player in the game Mookie Betts, Boston, Red Sox. My number one most exciting player to watch and we agree that one and that one was, I mean, you look at what he's to thirty thirty guy. This season led the league in hitting three forty, six highlight reel plays all over the outfield electric personality, electric player. Mookie Betts, you and I agree most must watch player remaining in the major league baseball playoffs. So you go bats yelich altuve ago, bets, hater, and Machado. Well, it was big last night from a walkie and let me let me throw this out. I did this on Twitter yesterday, but I wanna give some major props. I always love it. You know, me, man, I'm, I'm in. I'm in, okay, right. I'm I'm kind of a small market person. I, I like win small, small ish markets get to shine on a national stage. They may not always have, and you've got loyal fans that that really show out all season just not. Everybody always gets to see it. Well, we are seeing and I think it's awesome from the brewer fan base in this postseason and last night in game. One is awesome. Nobody watches the brewers in the regular season outside of Wisconsin. That's just the way it is. That's not a primetime team or a primetime market because it's Milwaukee. And I don't mean that as a shot it is. It just is what it is, but now they have a chance to shine and the fan base is phenomenal. What a loud. Wow, the environment they provide their brewers and good for them. I'm glad they get to shine and props to Milwaukee and Miller park, and the brewer fans who are getting to enjoy one heck of a ride, and they make it to enjoy it for a few years. Yeah, they've at great rights before. Remember Paul Molitor and Robin yount and and all those great teams that they had the great years they had then and they have it again. And when you have the cornerstones of your franchise said, it was almost I won't say, gift wrap Dari, but the Christian yelich trade. When you talk about a guy that you deal, it was pretty close man at the Geneva, yellowish. I mean to me, you know, you pick up a guy like that that kind of it gets you where you wanna go, and that's what he's basically done. Help this team assisted this Milwaukee Brewers team. And as I said, being three games away from getting to the World Series, hey, there are two guys that have seven year that I can off top of my head that have seven year forty, nine million dollar contracts, Christian yelich and Gus malzahn which one you like and more about. Hey, where are you going to easily Clayton Kershaw on this list for reasons you don't know what you're going to get from this time writing though. It's a, I suppose it is exciting by the way yellow. That was the deal in late January. He's in this was year four of a seven year forty, nine million dollar deal that Miami decided wasn't worth hanging onto what did steal for and the brewers, right? Early same day, who do they get off the for in the free agent market that same day Milwaukee got yelich and Lorenzo Cain to get what a day that was for them, and they're hitting one two. And that order right now just lighten it up. Frankly, that was our hot list after a hundred years making shaving cream Barbara Sol's finally making razors that was a no brainer. Try the barbasol ultra six plus six within blades. They've now at Barbara salt dot com. Barbasol of course. Presenting our hot list on Dorian Mel ESPN radio and the ESPN app. Meanwhile, we move along back to college football, straight ahead more the under the radar games, including a team that I put in the college football playoff when the year was over or before the year started, I should say and a team not a power five team that sitting in the top ten with what many people feel as a really stiff road test that's included are under the radar games from around college football in this week number seven. Dorian male, ESPN radio, and the ESPN app took -nology truth brought to you by code. Truth, teenagers can communicate entirely emojis. How why? Birthday party pizza slice kitten, soccer ball, pineapple truth. It's so easy to switch him. Save on car insurance at geiko dot com. What are you talking about? Paper clips, shoulder, shrug, high, five wizard hat what gogo fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more. This is a different feeling. Notre Dame people with very clear path to the playoffs. Where. Oh, yeah. From his own ends hands to Williams world across the twenty two. Me by the way terror. Dame's got some star hall right now textile UCS, ninety seven yards a championship caliber defense NFL polity, defensive lineman. This has got a different kind of talent and a different kind of Mojo in confidence. Notre Dame. One of those boy, there may not be a path to a playoff that is better carved out than there's right now. They've taken care of the business they've needed to take care of now the schedule shakes out what should be beautifully for the Irish Dory, and Mel ESPN radio and the ESPN app always great to have you along with us as we just gave you. Our hot list of the most must watch player still in the major league baseball postseason. Now we dive back into college football. We'll also get out to Ann Arbor here shortly. Joel Anderson of ESPN is covering Wisconsin, Michigan. That's one of the big time games. We'll dive into here again fifteen minutes from now, but we hit some key under the radar games that includes those fighting Irish. Number five, Notre Dame versus Pittsburgh Mel, your Irish are going to be favored in every game from here on out, they've passed the test. They need to pass the schedule. Now shakes out really well. I know they gotta deal with that game at USC to end the season, but you wouldn't think this one against Pittsburgh would be a test the way the Notre Dame offense with the book is kind of humming. Would you that three-touchdown favourite now? And I think you look at where Notre Dame is right now, and everybody mentioned the star power. The game that they survived are in. If you look back on this sees it wasn't Michigan, Michigan, not the same team. They were then either is Notre Dame. Notre Dame's much different team, much better team. It wasn't that king no came. It was that they survived Vanderbilt, okay, you watch game fan, Bill, scared daylights out of me and Notre Dame fans. And Notre Dame then or Bill could have won that game a two touchdown underdog. Okay. Survive what's Vanderbilt on since that game. Absolutely. Nothing. All out there at south Ben, and you can get it done and no-brainer built really a whistle to since then and Notre Dame has benefited from that kind of catapulted them to where they are right now. There's no margin for lose one of these remaining regular season games and you are done. Okay. So you got gotta win every game. You have no championship game conference ship gain to worry about so big adventure. And if you look at the key guys guys weren't even playing back early on one one in book, quarterbacks text waves coming back from the injury, how he's upgraded. Now, Pittsburg can't stop. The run. Extra Williams should be running while miles boykin seems to be on the same page. Nice report there with Ian book receiver. They got it all going. Unfortunately, Alex bars the guard out for the year injured, but they've been able to keep their restores healthy, particularly defense led by Gerry Tillery upfront, divine Coney drew tranquil in the second line of defense, and they have which the shutdown corner and Jolyon love the junior right now on the big board. Julian love this week debuted on the big board. It's number seven. He has been phenomenal as a key cover guy on the best in the nation and been guys locked down for them all year. He tackles, well, it's got to land long arms. He's a great player. They right now. They can keep those guys. I mentioned healthy after losing bars. They're guard. Then Notre Dame has a chance to finish undefeated. I will say this Goodwin for pit last week against Syracuse, two guys quadrille Lison Darren Hall both win for over one hundred yards on the ground, but not going to happen. And Dr you made my top five positional rankings for senior running back. There you go. All right. Number Penn State versus Michigan state, you know what this game is called l.. Dr. Yeah, here's half of my preseason college football, playoff right here. Penn State and Michigan state boy, Sparty beat up at home last week by northwestern. They cannot get any offense going Brian Lewinsky's. Not what he was a year ago. They're not running the ball. Well injuries play a part in that. Now they gotta go to Penn State whose last game was two weeks ago and a game that had to leave disgusting taste in their mouth blowing that to score lead against Ohio State in the last seven minutes of the game, this thing could get ugly. I think this could be one of those games where where Penn State makes a major statement because look the way they lost game against Ohio State if enough things about they're not out of it yet when it comes to the playoff, I think Michigan state's run into a potential disaster here today. Well, they are and there's that about it. And I think with Penn State having a couple of weeks to get ready there, then that lost Ohio State her James Franklin after the game, they wanted to clean a lot of things up. Sure things up and and now. Now you gotta Michigan state team coming to Happy Valley homecoming up at Happy Valley. You Brian Lou work the quarterback for Michigan state last year. Dr. He was sacked once every twenty three point. Two pass attempts this year has been sacked once every fifteen point, seven pass attempts, tack Levin times on the offense. They can't run the football there. One hundred twelve, average three, four carry terrible recipe going to Happy Valley from Michigan state this game. Penn State needs abouts back from that loss in a big way. Number ten, UCF at Memphis. This game is interesting. By the way, this one three thirty eastern on ABC or ESPN two depending on where you are UCS eighteen games in a row, Josh hypol- kind of Kip that nights machine moving. Now they go to Memphis. You know, Memphis, good. They got the former Arizona state quarterback Brady, white, fifteen. Touchdowns one pick. They've got the leading rusher in the country with Daryl Henderson. In terms of total yards. Nine hundred thirty four rushing yards. Twelve yards. A carry almost for this guy at UCF defense is going to get tested now and if they go to Memphis and they win this game by touchdown or two, I don't. I think it's gonna get overlooked, but it shouldn't be overlooked. Now. UCF is sitting in the top ten in the people. I don't know where they're going to be when the first college football playoff rankings come out in a few weeks if they still sit undefeated. But this is this is a test for the nights right now. Yeah, we are crystal fully come on earlier and talk about, hey Memphis as a shot to win this football game. And you look at UCF the key losses. They sustained Ari think about trae Kwan Smith Watterson huge game Monday night for the saints against the Redskins, right? He was catching ball, McKenzie, Milton list your Jordan and the NFL now was catching balls from Kenzi Milton well, they're not. They're MacKenzie. Milton's gone from sixty seven point. One percent completion percentage to fifty nine, six last two games completes the fifty three percent of his passes. Why? Because they don't have the key weapons for. Milton defensive chicane Griffin anymore. He's in the NFL and you got Darrow Henderson kid who has phenomenal Daryl Henderson. Now, only they should in rushing. You know what he's averaging per carry. Almost twelve, almost twelve care. Seven eight a carry, twelve, rushing. Touchdowns got a long, run a forty five or more yards in each of the last five games star. He breaks that long run. He's a threat in the passing game. He's averaged nineteen point, eight yards a catch with a couple touch Darrow Henderson right now. They what you look at. Underclassmen running backs right now. He is in that group. He's number three on my list behind Rodney Anderson's hurt for Oklahoma and mile Sanderson, they, you can make an argument right now. Daryl Henderson from Memphis playing. Good as any back in college football. Number nineteen Colorado at southern cow. Do we buy Colorado yet? Right? We said last week are undefeated record came against teams that were combined one and sixteen, then they beat three into Arizona state new. We buy them yet. This will be their first big test and it's not a great USC t Mel, but it's still a game Colorado could easily lose. Well sleeve, Montas I need. He can run around. He's athletic. He's big US's middle of the pack when it comes to pass the fence and all I have a big time pass rush. Then level ball hawk secondary. You're only have one interception Levinsky schnaut will be the best player on the field long says and terms of the offensive weapons at Colorado has story. But it is the first big test USC. So as good athletes on both sides of the ball. All right. Coming up should Michigan really be a double digit favourite against Wisconsin. We will ahead to an Arbor and discussed that big one in the big ten. It's ESPN radio, ish PM Michigan's probably thinking, yeah, we were about running the ball. We could his maybe some big plays against this wisco-. Secondary, Alex brick has to be able to take advantage if he's average this year, Wisconsin's enough to win the big ten west nest shape Patterson on the road with a Michigan offense, finding a true identity and getting better and better. Michigan and Wisconsin. In an Arbor. One of the biggest games of the day. I, I would say one of the three big big games along with George LSU and Washington, Oregon, Dory, Mel ESPN, radio, ESPN app, great to have you hanging out with us. We're always presented by progressive insurance and we know hit the shell Pennzoil performance line. Joel Anderson of ESPN dot com. In Ann Arbor getting ready for this one, Michigan, Wisconsin. And these are two teams. Joel, like personally, I can't quite figure out, you know, how does Wisconsin get pushed around by BYU and that's still the only game they've lost. They gave up five hundred yards of to Nebraska team. That's still a converts I win. That came last week, Michigan defensively, we know is really good, but where are they? Offense? Ity. What's the biggest mystery surrounding these teams to you in this game? Well, I mean, you go back to that. Wisconsin. Game on there was there was constant BYU and I, I'm sure maybe I'm being a little myopic here, but that is almost inexplicable result that college football. All this yet. Kansin coming into the seasonal stocks have been a national title contender for you to run the ball, being able to defend around and BYU had the way with them. I, it just doesn't make a lot of sense. So I think we really like, I think people have -cluded. Michigan is really good if you go back to their only loss. Like if you think about it in context. Now losing about touchdown to Notre Dame does not sound like a bad loss anymore. Especially consider that they were breaking shaped Patterson, but like Wisconsin is who they are, like, how they're going to hold up in doing. They played really poorly. I guess it seems that are not great. I mean, even play well against the brass, as you mentioned last week, I think we're gonna find out a lot about today. Joe, you look at that defense, Jim, Leonard defensive coordinator is a heck of a defensive mind, but the personnel there unfortunately and been what you would have thought it would be because of injuries are banged up on the defensive line. Coda Dixon on the back end banged up their defense right now. Eighty. Third per carry average allowed. They only right now generated as a team, five sacks. That's the recipe. Disaster against as Michigan. Offense has talent with Higdon coming on. Patterson throwing the football Joel hat is Wisconsin's defense allows badger team to hang in this football game. Limit big plays and hope that again to make mistakes, right. I mean, I, I'm up here in Michigan, the weather, the weather's earned a little bit yesterday. So it's raining cold outside. That's kind of kind of whether that you know is amenable to people that can create turnover. So you know if Wisconsin can like horse Michigan into playing, you know, playing along field having to make log drives, maybe they can slow them down. But I mean, then Wisconsin going to be missing their starting safety for the first half of their game. Nothing he was targeting call Nebraska. You're gonna miss the first half and then start defensive end they allowed built so they, they were already banged up to more started coming into this game. So I didn't really bode well, he SPN dot com. Joel Anderson in Ann Arbor. Joel appreciate your time. Thanks man. Hey, my pleasure. All right, so Wisconsin at Michigan, that's that's. We're gonna learn something about these teams, the losers done. There's no two loss team out of the big ten going to the playoffs so we can. We can. We can dispatch whoever does not win this game, and let's face it. Dr. If Michigan is a final four team, you got to win this game. You got to be doing this game decisively and you gotta show kind of flex your muscle. 'cause you gotta team this wounded right now, they're down. They got injuries on defense. They haven't been able to stop people on a consistent basis, their offense. If you can contain Jonathan Taylor and they should be able to are they allowed to six carry Michigan? Does the strengthen his team, their defence? Okay, and that's what they do. And then you put the ball on Alex Horne Brooks hands and say, hey, beat us with very average weapons, and he doesn't have the big arm. This is a game, Michigan should dominate if they don't. I'm say, dominate, I say, win the game by twenty four points. That's what I'm on. That should win the game thirty one seven thirty one ten and be done with it ended early and say, flex your. SEL show that you are really coming on as a team. They gotta get a run going, okay. They came back to beat northwest, bless. They were desperate there to come back. They put out all the stops, then they beat Maryland. Okay. You was concert who's wounded. You get Michigan state and it looks like down, then you gotta get going that momentum to get you ready for Penn State at the big house, November third, got Rutgers in the an Indiana should be able to score a lot, and you get ready for Ohio State. You kind of pace it through. You can own a role. You get that confidence indepence state at home, then you know, state that's Yankees, Red Sox. Anything happened, throw everything out there. That's one of the best rivalries in college football, and you see what happens. That's the way the season has to go. But I expect tonight a dominant performance on the Michigan wolverines anything. Sure that don't even talk about them as a final four. We're talking final four. We're talking playoff mill. Alabama, Georgia, Ohio State Clemson does are the clear cut for best teams right when you're watching Michigan oral or or Wisconsin. I matter you don't see anything close to that level. I know Michele house headed comeback to beat Penn State. They came back to win at Penn State. That's not an easy thing to do. And if we're sitting here nit picking Georgia for whatever, I haven't run the ball as well as it used to which machine that's what we're nit picking here. That's been a dominant team. Bam has been dominant Clemson with the exception of the Syracuse game, but there were mitigating circumstances there at quarterback. They've been dominant like Michigan's not in the same league. First of all, Wisconsin right now is not the same league as Michigan Michigan's not in the same league as the four best teams in college football, so, and they lost to Notre Dame. They better be dominant if they wanna make any sort of a playoff statement. They had better see show us aside, and we have not seen. Dorian Melbourne to you by Pennzoil synthetics, taking synthetic motor oil performance to a whole new level, make the switch to Pennzoil synthetics today, how much should Georgia fans be worried about this LSU game today? Yeah, it's Dari. We're talking about athletes on both sides of the ball. They have it. Okay. They got guys can fly Radic hydrates green Williams is going to be able to lock down against anybody and eliminate one receiver. Okay. So you say the on tours, are you think about where they are in terms of their football team? Cole, Hartman right now more so than God. When is the key guy. Right? So he degree Williams take him out of the game. Then God wants got step up which he's had an up and down year and had produced the kind of results expected. So that's what l. s. u. does she will do what you have to do in football. They'll take away your strength and four should be this with the other guys and the other guys for Georgia pretty good, and we thought God will be great. He hasn't been. So that's the game where somebody else, God one has to step up and play to the level we anticipate if he doesn't. LSU can hang Joe borough, hey, you know, we knew he was just manage. And then he threw a couple of picks, and we'll see what happens now, the confidences been affected will bit which borough and Georgia doesn't get much of a pass rush. Can they generate anything? But I wanna see borough. He hasn't had this story. He's he's had to low completion percentage, but no, no picks now he's had two picks. Okay. Now in his mind, there's gotta be some concerns from confidence standpoint when you let that ball go. So that's what I wanna see borough bouncing back after that effort. And again is Georgia final four team of Georgia's a final four team. This LSU team you should be able to beat and they're the favorite, their touchdown, favourite for a reason. Again, you're the point in the season where teams have to start showing that there when you look at them the optics or they final four team just watch the game. That's what the committees doing. They're watching these games. They want to go high state. They should win this game and it's Minnesota by fifty five issue. If they their defense has given up yards and points. That's Ohio state's defense right now without Nick Bosa does not. Like a final four defense at all. Agree, agree that started frankly, in week one didn't look like a final forty fence. Oregon state shouldn't score thirty one points against a house eight, and it's kinda continued from that point on, we talked about it. First of all, two loss team has never made the playoff Auburn would have been the first last year had they been able to to to win the SEC championship game against Georgia. They would have been the first they would have been in. But this year you're not gonna get a two loss team out of the big ten. So Wisconsin, Michigan elimination game. You're not gonna get one out of the pack, twelve Oregon, Washington, and Eugene elimination game. So if you're looking around, you're saying, oh, we don't have a massively important, you know. It's not Michigan, Ohio state or Alabama. Georgia type of game this week. You've got elimination games, and that's what this regular season is every week for notary nation in every do not slip up against Pittsburgh after passing the tech, the test in Blacksburg. So there's a lot of stuff to pay attention to. All right. I want this. I'm very interesting. As you mentioned this before the show you said there the four rookie NFL quarterbacks. And of course we're talking darnold Mayfield Alan and Rosen for their starting right before that are starting. You have come up with. Comparisons of baseball comp to a baseball player, baseball players that are no longer playing, correct. None of our plan right racking my brain trying to figure out who they could compare to, but you're going to tell us that's coming up and by the way, this Notre Dame team. The college football playoff selection committee. If you're not already thinking about what I'm going to throw out there, you need to be SPN radio, ESPN app. All right. You know what it's time for mailman it's time for straight. Talk brought to you by straight talk wireless, best phones, best networks, no contracts. You are making the point that there are the four rookie starting quarterbacks in the NFL remind you of baseball players from on as gone by. Mike Antoni you are producer is dying for this. I'm going to turn this into mel's gonna compare to things every week. Well, it is true. Mike, what they every time on doing something for sports, they always want calm, who's who is they'll be saying, all right, Herbert reminds you of, okay, who does Nick Bosa remind you that's just in Herbert was a car, what kind of car? That's the kind of thing. I go to baseball calms I did it because one jump one immediately was automatic. It was like that's a, that's everybody in the world should make this cop to this player from baseball stamp way. Okay. Well, this one looks reminds me and immediately four just Clint, and I said, okay, what do you think? Who do you wanna start with gimme one of the big four you want to start with him this four that are expected. The be family, go with them. I'm going to go with the least interesting in my mind. Ready. Okay. Josh Allen. All right. I'm gonna go. Who who walked on Fogarty there for you. The question exactly. What was the question with Josh Allen coming out? Had he played anybody? Know accuracy. Okay. Just completion. I've Senate was right around fifty, five fifty, six percent Mark and he does ask them, throws it. You say, Josh, Josh. How did that leave your hand and end up there? How did that happen? If you've got to be more consistent throwing the football in terms of accuracy, who was a pitcher that walked one hundred and fifty two in one year, one hundred and forty four. The next year I'm talking about the early nineties and then but it's got into the midnight only walk at sixty five year. Not one hundred fifty to sixty five. It was Randy Johnson. Randy Johnson. Josh Allen is in terms of baseball, Josh Allen, hey, we hope it goes on like Jim, Kelly buffalo to get that team Super Bowls. Well, hey, Randy Johnson after not being able to it wasn't nuclear louche okay. But he was a guy couldn't throw a strike a lot and walked a lot of guys, but he won twenty plus games. Three times he had a twenty four and five season two thousand to seventy one walks two, three, two. We are seventeen or more wins in ten seasons. Let's hope Josh Allen wins. Many games does what for the Buffalo Bills. What Randy Johnson after creator, start off with walk after walk after walk. We'll see Erin after Josh canny get it done. From an accuracy standpoint, we said the same thing about Randy Johnson throwing strike. So let's see if Josh l. ever blows up a bird with a football like Randy did with the baseball. All right. So Josh Allen is Randy Johnson. I like it. Let's go to. Let's go to Sam darnold. All right, Sam, darnold we're going to stay in the Big Apple right. Okay. Say Derrick jeeter and say, why? Derrick? Jeeter he went to work. He never made noise. You never heard a negative word about their jacomb themself in a professional manner on and off the field. Okay. Wasn't physically gifted like a rod, okay. But steady consistent produced in the postseason remains to be seen. Now Sam we'll do once you get to the postseason, but I thought Derek jeeter for what he did in the pinch with the New York Yankees. That's what Sam darnold will do with the New York Jets. Professional doesn't make noise just goes out and Doug job. He's not for New York, Sam darnold. Perfect. 'cause there's not going to be any crazy stuff happening away from football and off the field. Minka Kelly, anyone. All right. Next up, let's go. Let's go, Josh, Rosen next. All right. Wish Josh Rosen. One of the most intelligent cerebral quarterbacks to come into the NFL in years. The most ever. I mean, give me a hint on the baseball player. Well, this baseball player played down here in the land of pleasant living. He also played wore the pinstripes. You got me thick, thick. Think we're UCLA think Pac twelve. I'm thinking of a pitcher who won twenty games once in his career magazine, like you seen considering all neither. Mike Mussina went to Stanford. Okay. Went to Stanford, Josh Rosen, UCLA's considering what's intelligent quarterbacks that come in and said, who was the most NFL ready? Said it for months. It was Josh Rosen who outplayed Sam darnold across town rivalry. It was Josh Rosen who says he knows more than anybody even coordinators in the NFL. It's Josh Rosen, Mike sina coming out of Stanford exactly the same kind of cerebral pitcher to win twenty games once but had a heck of a career with both the Baltimore Orioles and the New York Yankees. I love this is if you're just joining us, you're like, what in the world is Mel talking about earlier today? He said that the four rookie quarterback and the NFL currently starting each have a d'appel gang or so to speak or. Remind him of a baseball player that's no longer still playing. Josh Allen is Randy Johnson. Sam darnold is Derek jeeter, Josh Rosen as Mike Messina. So who in the world is was the first one based. The immediately was automatic thick about Baker Mayfield. Think about a guy who goes out there and lays it all on a line. He'll die. Ps Charlie hustle, right? Pete Rose. I'm with you, rose. This state by the way, I mean much career. Yeah, automatic Cincinnati Reds, the big red machine, Pete Rose. Everybody wanna play the game, like Pete Rose played the game. Everybody wants to play football with the passion of Baker Mayfield. The only thing I was concerned about what Baker was, what off the field would he be professional? They're intangibles on the field on that Lennon the locker room, everything practicing phenomenal with Baker, conduct yourself in a professional manner. If he does that Baker Mayfield could be phenomenal as Pete Rose was all those years in major league baseball. I was the automatic. That was the first one came to mind. Kind of spring board went from Baker and Pete Rose to the other three. You know what you can do with Baker, you can. You can bet on Baker. Okay, that's bad. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. All right. So there you go. I like it Baker. That's what I was trying to figure out who in the world. Plus you get right away. And I said that once they get that it's going to, but it's horse. Talking about when he Tycom like how far back are you going. I didn't go back. I didn't go back to. No, no, no, no, no, no. I mean, the youngsters may not remember if you got the sixteen twenty five year olds may not remember some of this, but I think everybody remembers, you know, I would think everybody remembers three of these four. Maybe maybe everybody need rose play, highlights of Pete Rose. You know, everybody talks about the guy to play the game, the hardest got the most out of his ability and let's face it biker doesn't have the great, the great measurable, either intangibles, Pete Rose didn't have great natural ability, but he made the most of what he had. He was one of the greatest players of all time. So there you go. And so I thought that that was a good cop, the way they played the game, you look at Baker Baker refuses to lose okay, he's got. He just he. He tolerate losing. He's not gonna and Pete Rose. Never did. Pete Rose played the game hard from pitch one to the final out. And that's the way Baker plays football I want. Now I want I want these calms to today's players in baseball, right? Who's your Baker Mayfield altuve. Who you mentioned, how much she can you watch that everything. One show a chance winch. Ace. Got a ton to fair by one. This Mel man. All right. That's that's. Oh, I'm sorry about that. I just saw Mike that you want me to go in a different order. Sorry too bad. You just you guys just keep on playing John Fogarty's instrumental centerfield. We'll be right. It's all brought to you by straight talk straight, talk wireless nationwide coverage on America's largest and most dependable, four g. l. t. networks. I, if everybody agreed with my cops thought was way off base with my calms. These are good man. You're okay with them. Okay. With them. Disagreed with? No. How could I tell me. Tell me nuts like that was something passive aggressive. We're going to have to deal with this during the break now. Oh, great. Ianfitz him and straight ahead. Next, he's in Baton Rouge. Being radio.

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The Divergent Paths of the 2020 Yankees and Dodgers

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The Divergent Paths of the 2020 Yankees and Dodgers

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Hello, and welcome to your MLB show. My name is Mike Obama and I'm a staff writer at the ringer going today are ringer staffers at Cram. Hello cleanly shaven sat cram. I should say you're you're looking very professional youthful even today. I would hope I look youthful. Fourth compared to the rest of I guess that's true and. Also, joining me today you've heard that voice before it springer staff writer bed Mr Scruff Limburg. See. You've still got the beard gone on looking old and haggard you and me both probably me more. So than you, you you have the youthful youthful visage of a man with a clean conscience. So Anyway. I wanted to start to show on this note, and this is because. Three. Of US I think have to interests in common. There are many things that boat that two of us are interested in, but not all three and I think the the limits of of our three shared interests are baseball and space travel, and so these two interests have converged it Netflix's new show away which came out which Ben and I both seen and I liked at ben very much did not like if I'm understanding correct. Yes not really my pick I finished it. It held my interest, but I was Kinda hate watching by the end. That's well, here's what I'll say the Probably, my favorite character favorite performance on the show is Russian cosmonaut Musa Popov played by Mark near the menu might of last seen playing a Russian cosmonaut on for all mankind and Measham Popov contrary to expectations is a baseball fan and he gets into a conversation with Hilary. Swank, am agreeing the daughter of Rawson Rachel on friends who grows up to be a spacefaring explorer and he says, your country is obsessed with statistics obsessed debris ruined baseball by the way. We could use clips from. Now, we don't need the accident now every. Metric ever decision computerized. And so on and so. I did not expect to see baseball takes from a Russian cosmonaut even a fictional Russian cosmonaut anti-cyber sabermetrics takes at that I was I was shocked. So that leads me to pose the question of question to both of you and we'll start with Zach again, which fictional spacefaring character would you most want to run your front office I say just hope that you've ran that Russian accent by your wife who has I blind and assure you I, do not. Approve of of most of my attempts to speak Russian or Russian accent, but anyway, so my. My answer and this might be recency bias because they just. Read, through most of the books this summer but I am going with the character of of Osceola from the expanse, and that is because I know that being a baseball GM is not all about making trades and. In swindling other GM's out of prize prospects but you can't think about a baseball GM without thinking about the trade deadline for moneyball and I don't think there's any character and all fiction let alone space fiction who I would most trust to enact the billy bean headline seen than of Osceola and the expanse right down to the gratuitous swearing. The deputy undersecretaries is quite the wheeler-dealer I like that answer how about You ben Yes she is ruthless good pick I. Can I say I'm sick of Scifi just crapping. On. Baseball at every opportunity when do you ever see any sort of sci-fi set in the future where it's good times for baseball baseball is always over its extinct. It has lost its way and people are fondly remembering it or no one remembers it just skipping one Scifi show where baseball his actually had a good last century or two never seems to happen I think along those lines. This might be kind of an obvious pick but I am Mr Chuck after all I will take Benjamin Sisko more so. Predictable and I know of it and we're GONNA GET INTO WHY? Yeah. I considered other star Trek captain's because I think that maybe you could make the case that they'd be better suited for running a front office even though Cisco is one of the more famous baseball fans among science fiction characters that in itself is not necessarily a prerequisite for that job not even necessarily an asset I could see a case for the other way but I think Cisco, qualifies not just because he is a scholar of the. Game and would have passion for it. But also I think because he's a builder he was often described as builder. He someone who stays in one place. He sees his mission through he is not just flying by and solving planets problems, and then warping off to the next planet he is in it for the long haul, and so I think if I were starting from scratch if I were a rebuilding team, I would want Cisco there because he's going to see it through and I like also that he's. Maybe willing to bend the rules a little bit at times he can be intimidating he can be rationed impulsive perhaps that's not an asset, but I see him as sort of a prowler type there a lot of Spock's data's in baseball front offices these days and I think Cisco would be kind of a contrast to that. Yeah and speaking of contrast and Ben Cisco. I was hoping that you were going to go for Ben Cisco because I'm picking Captain Salak Ben you and I while back did a Episode of this podcast based on the deep space nine episode, take me out to the sweet in which. CISCO'S CREW plays a game of baseball against a the crew of a vulcan ship. CAPTURED BY CISCO'S ACADEMY frienemie Captain Salak, and So the. Takes place in and eventually the niners win on a on a technicality. But what was the score of the game I don't recall it was like a billion to nothing in favor of Captain Solon Volkan. So I appreciate slow Fowler Yeah I appreciate the AJ prowler comparison. The idea that Cisco is the kind of guy you'd want to to build a franchise up from nothing I'm GonNa take the guy who's one appearance in all of science fiction media is to absolutely destroy abend Cisco built. Team at baseball. So I appreciate that you're Mr Chompy came in handy for Yeah. Just play into your hands solid case I think but I like that Cisco I mean really with the GM you want a manager you want a leader you want someone who is going to keep everyone in line and pick the right people right? That's actually one of my concerns with Cisco is that you might have trouble delegating. He likes to be on the front lines and getting his hands dirty look like prowler he'd be out there. High School prospects always the always on the verge of Lube losing the clubhouse owed wants wants to trade Michael Addington wants to trade. It's just a tough clubhouse though I've been people are coming from all over the galaxy. So I think given that experience he'd have a pretty easy time keeping any actual baseball front office in line. Yeah that's fair. Enough Okay. Well, I could see our producer bobby who does not share our the Sides Fiction waving his arms and tell us to move on. We're GONNA move on to a team that's been even worse over the past couple of weeks Ben, the deep space niners, and that is somewhat surprisingly the New York Yankees. The Yankees are currently sitting at five hundred in third place in the American League. East clinging and I don't think that's the wrong word. I. Think clinging is absolutely the right word to use to the last playoff spot even the expanded playoff field. Zach Cram. What what is up? The Yankees aren't good anymore. That's my expert analysis. The Yankees were good once upon a time back in the. Old Days of mid. August. They were sixteen and six the best record in the majors, and since then the wheels have come off, the back of the cart has fallen into pieces they are five and fifteen cents. There a couple reasons why but and we'll get into them but I think the recent run of Yankees play can be best summed up with their sixth-inning against the bluejays on Monday. This is a key serious as the Blue Jason. Yankees battle for second place in the American League East, and the Yankees entered the sixth inning with a six to two lied. Chad. Green who has been maybe their best reliever over the last few years entered and he allowed a walk induced fly out and then went walk single and error. So he comes out at Amato Vino enters and here's what atom out of does. He allows a single to junior who then steals his first career base. He allows another single and stolen base. He gives up a walk a single walk, and then a grand slam the Yankees lose the game twelve, the seven they lost again on Tuesday night and the losing streak just continues. Yeah and I think the best case that Zach is right that the Yankees aren't good anymore is that the Yankees players are not actually on the field right now and haven't been on the field for some time. So when they were clicking, it was because they were at almost full strength, right? They actually had judge Stanton in the same lineup slugging for the first time in a while they haven't had those guys. They haven't had gleyber torres they haven't had DJ with mayhew at times. They've lost a lot of their lineup. They've lost some pictures to and it showed I, think they've underperformed even given the players that they have had but if you. Go back to when this slump really started like August eighteenth I'm sort of arbitrarily picking dates to to make the slump look even worse. But since then they have a seventy nine, WRC plus that means they've been seventy nine percent as good as the league average offensive team that's the fifth or sixth worst I think in baseball over that time only the royals have hit worse over that span in the American league. So these that been the Yankees because these literally haven't been the Yankees, which is a lot like last season they've kind of repeated the worst aspect of last season, which is when they lost everyone to injury, but they haven't repeated the best aspect. Of last season, which is that when they lost all the first stringers to injury, it turned out that all the second stringers were great and in some cases, even better than the first stringers were expected to be. So they remade their whole strength and conditioning staff over the offseason, their training staff at Cetera. So as to avoid a repeat of that massive injury stack and yet it has happened again. Then one of the best predictors of future injury is pest intrigue. So in that case, the new training had a tough task ahead of them, but I think the lack of personnel is showing and when you combine the injuries, the poor offensive performance with bullpen. Meltdown which is maybe the more surprising aspect of what's happened. You get a really rough few weeks and you get a team that's suddenly looking sort of in jeopardy I think that there's more to it than just they haven't been good and I do find it one of the reasons that I find it. So puzzling I actually at the Yankees still pretty high in my power rankings they came out on Tuesday because part of me just doesn't believe that Allina this good with this many good players even injuries included is just gonNA keep playing this badly for for much longer and I, think you know Zach mentioned Monday's loss to to Toronto, is sort of A. Microcosm for the for the slide I, actually want to highlight Tuesday's loss where they went up against a blue jays and tie on. Walker who just could not find the strike zone a walked five guys led to hit hit a batter in four innings of work and somehow they. They turned a all those baserunners into zero runs off of of Taiwan Walker, and they managed just one run in five innings against a blue jays bullpen that hasn't been that good. Meanwhile J. Pitch Pretty well made one mistake at it. It went over the fence. So it's and you look at the bullpen meant meltdown the Ben. mentioned. If you look at go back to August eighteenth and sort bullpens by win probability added since then the Yankees are dead last past the Red Sox who might be the worst pitching staff in major league history almost twice as. Far. Below far below level as teams like the phillies and the mets and the diamondbacks who are either selling or have notoriously unreliable pence. I. Think part of this can be chalked up to. To notches small sample or injuries but also bad sequencing that they just aren't getting the bounces and. You know as much as. I guess my concern is not that they won't the chef not that that some of these guys won't get healthy not that glacier has for instance, he's been playing has been terrible. The sheer won't figure it out. It's there is that mental album it were when stuff starts to go wrong when it rains pours and I think that this is going to be the first real test of Aaron. Boone is a manager whether he can right this ship after this kind of losing streak. I think the injuries like, yes, the lineup is decent, but it really suffers in the back with everyone out I mean last night had to pinch hit with Kyle Gotcha, a backup catcher who has in his career been sixty four percent worse than the League average hitter and a good baseball team does not normally after pinch hit with Kyle Gosh Yoga? Unless it's like the seventeenth inning and they run out of players and I think there have definitely been starters have underperformed mentioned Torres I think Gary Sanchez, the less said about his season at the plate the. Better, but it's not like last year has been said when talk man and Mike Ford filled in and great talk minute Ford, have regressed Gio Shelhah is the one guy who hasn't regressed and he's hurt now gio or Shelhah I think if you sort all third basemen in the majors by they're hitting performance since the start of last season you have bregman and reknown who are one and two way ahead of the rest of the pack, and then in third place, you have a group of five guys clustered within like one or two points of WRC. That's Josh Donaldson. You on my Mocatta Gio or shall I Justin Turner Rafael Devers. So Gio Rochelle is one of the best sitting third baseman in baseball and he's judges out Stanton's out lemay out was out so. Like Anki fans and the team themselves frankly might have been spoiled by how well the replacement of last season because replacement aren't doing us well this year and that you just see the drop off every game where they're basically hoping Luke voight hits a home run, and if he doesn't then they don't really have any recourse to score. Even, Garrett Cole has been a little bit disappointing, which is not even close to the primary reason why the Yankees are struggling like this but just sort of goes to show that almost everything is going wrong right now in cold season is sort of mystifying I mean his stuff is not drastically different from what it was last year it's not like he's lost a ton of V lower movement or is throwing different pitches. A lot of what he is doing from a process standpoint looks pretty similar but the results. Haven't been and I think a lot of that is just that he has been extremely homer prone. He's just been getting hit hard and the fight policies allowed have gone over the fence at a really high rate and probably a a somewhat fluky rate. But that just sort of emphasizes like that was supposed to be the great strength of this team that would sort of make up for any injuries or underperformance of guys who regressed from last year and he hasn't really delivered what they were hoping and and if. They were hoping for the same thing. He gave the Astros last year maybe that's unrealistic. Just because of how great he was, but it almost reminds me a little bit of when I was a young man still a Yankees fan like Benjamin, Sisko and the Yankees acquired, Randy Johnson and Johnson was in his forties of course at that point but it was sort of similar in that the Yankees got the guy they couldn't beat the guy who had been the best pitcher and when they got him, he didn't really. Live up to what he had done before he got there but with Johnson that was sort of principle because of his age and his fragility with coal not so much. But Not that Cole is even close to the biggest reason why this team is underperforming it's just yet another reason in the litany of reasons that Yankees fence could say everything's going wrong for us this year you heard it here sports fans, Ben Lindbergh says, Garrett. Cole is cooked and that's why the engine New York again and handle the pressure. Yeah. The the problem with coal is not that he hasn't been as good as you as not that he hasn't been the guy who literally never lost the astor's last year. It's they needed him to be that guy reveals weaknesses that Zach's point I think. Maybe the Yankees. Player development reputation and their ability to pull guys off the shelf sometimes literally, the same guys who are struggling this year beat might of spoiled us and I think. That that might be maybe we were I don't want to speak for everybody because you guys aren't wrong that much but maybe I was wrong to maybe overrate the the Yankees bench a little bit So I mentioned the Aaron Boone's ability to. To pull this team out a losing streak. This I think this was pretty clearly the second best team in baseball heading into the season, and we're looking for a team to dominate advocate gate with this much town go on a stretch like this late August early September, the obvious parallel is the twenty seven dodgers who Going back to memorable episodes of this show, I remember Eddie McCullough's appearance where he said I wasn't worried about the dodgers until I walked into the the clubhouse and they were playing the phrase how to save a life and oh no, and the Yankees are having that kind of season. But those dodgers famously righted the ship went to the world series took the world series to game seven and this year is dodgers a right back where they left off their thirty one and twelve best record in baseball ninety, five point two percent to win the division despite playing the same divisions padres who might be the second best team in the nationally, I? I we should have done this backwards or should on this reversed order because I was working on a great there but for the grace of dodge, go I but Yeah this is this shows you the the to how every team goes through one of these losing streak spite. In the season the short you you might be able to avoid it altogether or could wind up tanking the entire season. I would not have expected before. The season began that the dodgers would have maybe I don't know A. Top two bullpen in the majors I think they're second in era right now in the Yankees are much closer towards the back of the pack. That is not what you would have expected given these teams recent past and I think that just kind of summarizes I was thinking as we were talking about the Yankees and coal and other placements who are filling in for the guys who are injured and you look down this roster and it's hard to find players who have over performed their expectation luke void might be an example Jay Half is actually pitching pretty well now after a really down ear but. The Yankees are mostly either meeting expectations are far more often coming short the dodgers don't have that they have Clayton Kershaw who's backend I won't say better than ever, but he basically has good service numbers as ever they have someone like Jake McGee who they just rescued from I think after being cut by the rockies and now he's been one of their best relievers and just up and down this roster you have players who are actually meeting expectations are overperforming them and it's hard to say why that's happening with one team and not the other but go player by player and the pattern is pretty clear. I think the Astros are are sort of in a similar with the Yankees to in that if the Yankees weren't projected to be maybe one of the your top two or three best teams coming to this year it was the is probably who would have been in that tier along with them after Los Angeles and they now have almost an identical record. They're a half game off and they've been struggling to in large part because of injuries they've been very depleted to particularly in the pitching staff and I think the good news for both of those. Teams is that a it's really hard to miss the playoffs this season. So even though these teams especially the Yankees have been through this really rough stretch. They're still not quite locks but kind of close to it as far as the playoff odds go. So I mean look at the standings and you see all these teams nipping at their heels even the orioles right on their heels and yet the Yankees, have a an eighty four percent chance to make the playoffs right now according to fan grass and you have to look very far down the list. To get to the next hail team so they're in that eighth spot right now they're the eighth most likely ale team to make the playoffs. But to get to number nine, you have to go all the way down to the Orioles at eleven point six percent, and maybe that sounds like too big a gap. You have the Yankees at twenty one and twenty one in the Orioles Twenty, and twenty one they're virtually tied in that respect and yet the playoff odds there's this vast gulf between them but I think if you look at the quality of. Those teams, the talent of those teams the fact that the Yankees have had this bullpen meltdown but those pitchers who've been melting down or good pictures, we know that a lot of those guys are good and we also expect that a lot of their absent hitters will be back I don't know that you can count on Judge in and Stanton to be in the lineup together at any given time, but they should be back towards should back they should be more or less at full strength by the playoffs other than saved Severino and some long-term entries. Think that the Yankees would still right the ship just because you really really have to work hard to blow it. If you are a talented team, you have to go out of your way to miss the playoffs when there's a sixteen team field I should also mention that according to fan graphs projected strength of schedule for the rest of the season the Yankees, and the Astros have the easiest for the rest of the way. So that will help them out too. Yeah I think it's worth noting after my rant about the expanded playfield last week that if we still only had five teams making the playoffs in each league, the Astros would currently be four games back in the eighties would be four and a half games back, which is really difficult. Gap To bridge in just eighteen remaining games so they have received. The example of why MLB instituted the expanded playoffs they said if guys missed two weeks that matter so much more than a sixty game season than one, hundred, sixty, two game season. So we want to give teams more of a cushion if everyone gets hurt at once and that applies to both of these teams basically. Yeah. This is we're GONNA come to this a little bit later in the show, but it's a matter of. The the Al Race I don't know I don't feel like anybody other than the eighteen tour in right now is GonNa make. The postseason, but there's only half a game separating the Yankees to the orioles. So I guess this is this comes down to looking forward. Do you believe that the Yankees Sal went out or that they have somehow damage their prospects going forward whether they're gonNA suffer loss of confidence or or further injuries were the the orioles or the Tigers, are. This is how expanded the playoffs are. The Mariners are legitimately in the playoff picture right now whether one of those teams can can come up and and surprise one one or both of the Yankees are Astros and and that you know I generally don't really have a good answer for that. They're TI. This is so surprising. I'm I'm having a hard time making judgments on the how the next couple of weeks are GONNA. Shake out. It's nice not for Yankee Sense enke's fans but for neutral spectators if there is anyone who's neutral when it comes to the Yankees that there's surprise at least because it it looks you know a couple of weeks ago like the L. Playoff hield was basically set like there might not be any tension or suspense coming down the stretch and you looked at the top teams that were in. Playoff position and they all seemed pretty predictable. So I do expect that the Yankees will get things together and will squeak this out. But at least there's some uncertainty you know and when we knew that there would be a sixty game season in the sixteen team playoff field we kinda wanted to lean into the unpredictability and the randomness, and there hasn't been as much opportunity to do that as. We thought there would be like the dodgers were great and have been great. Most of the teams at the top of the standings are the ones that we sort of expected to there within some margin of error. So in that sense I'm sort of happy that there's some jeopardy here that a great team might actually miss the playoffs although if you do want this season to go down. As something more than just kind of of a flukey asterisk type season than I guess it's in the best interest of baseball to have the teams that everyone thinks are actually make the playoffs because if not then I think there will always be that sort of hanging over the season if you one well, what would have happened if there had been a full season if the Yankees had gotten If they had gotten to play at the schedule with the teams with the players who were actually on the team. So kind of happy that they're in jeopardy or that someone's in jeopardy. But also think that if they do actually end up collapsing, you'll never hear the end of it for Yankees fans because I think they'll sort of feel like they were cheated of the opportunity to prove their mettle one, hundred, sixty no matter. What happens we're never going to. Church fits your sort of an occupational hazard of anything happening to the Yankees. Yes. As a as a reformed Yankees fan myself I can. Concur. Ben. Still upset about Randy Johnson fifteen years. Not. that. I'm looking forward to watch and then teach us wasn't very good. It was disappointing. All right let's shift gears a little bit because the other big baseball news sherm. Since last time we recorded was the death of two hall of Famers Tom. SEAVER died in California at the age of seventy five last Monday before we recorded in the news broke shortly after and then Lou Brock on Sunday died at the age of eighty one these are to. Titanic. record-setting pliers from the the sixties and seventies and I just wanted to. Pay Tribute to to their careers. The impact they left on baseball because this is these are two players who I think really really shaped the the history of the game. And I think they're both even though they weren't one team hall of Famers, I think they're both associated very much with one game. Tom seaver literally nicknamed the franchise and. Lou. Brock who was traded in the infamous Ernie Bro Trade is very much associated with the cardinals. I actually saw brock during the twenty thirteen world series that took place while I was going to school in Saint Louis and I volunteered as a photo runner for the world series that year which basically meant I would you know be out in the outfield station with the photographer and after every half inning, he would give me his memory card and I would sprint down to the bowels where all of the. Photo editors were working and putting them online for like Mo Dot Com sports illustrated etc, and one of the days when I was there kind of milling around before the game was starting I notice this commotion. This hubbub US somebody walked in near the clubhouses and everyone crowded around all the security guards were excited and it was Lou Brock Fair, and he later suffered a lot of health problems. He lost a leg, but he was just beloved figure who everyone who had grown up a cardinal's fan fifty years ago. Love. More than anything kind of symbolizing the city in he and Bob Gibson. Basically winning them World Series Lou. Brock was a phenomenal postseason performer hitting three ninety one in his playoff career and I think. It was cool to see that up close in a city where you know say what you want about the cardinals fans and best fans and baseball and everything, but they do really appreciate their legends. And he was nicknamed the franchise to different franchise and less famously associated with that nickname than seaver. But still I think that does speak to their standing with their respective teams and also mean they were kind of linked in that they were contemporaries and they faced each other more often than they faced anyone else. So they had a lot of head to head matchups and really I mean, you look at Brock Stat lines and he just looks so alien as a player to the type of players we see today the game that he had the stolen bases you know th the lower strikeout rates, the relatively high batting. Averages I mean he's someone who doesn't measure up as well as seaver does with the the modern metrics but I. Think from an entertainment perspective you know he was not like the inner inner circle arguably best of all time type that seaver was with pitchers but brock was probably on the all-time entertaining teams and we just don't have a players who have the sort of game that he had. Yeah. I've I mean I've been quite vocal about wishing that we had more players in the game right now who were more contact hitters who broke out a fair bit of power but more contact centers aggressive baserunners I mean What I love about not just brock's a huge base stealing seasons, but Ricky Henderson wants like this to the you can't steal one hundred and eighteen bases in a season like brockton without also getting caught, you got caught thirty three times that year which which led the League ed it's. Heard I just get tired thinking about trying to steal a hundred and fifty basis season. But I mean you look at that like it's it's pretty incredible just to get on base that many in order to to have that many opportunities. Then you pretty much have to turn around and run every single time you talk about them being late there is the. Story of of seaver showing up for the nineteen sixty seven star Game Ed gone in the National League clubhouse and Lou Brock thought he was a clubhouse attended and asked him to get him a coke and seaver Disney sat down he said Oh by the way I'm Tom Seaver from the mets like I'm really excited to meet you so yeah, it's. SEAVER. Is Sort of based my by post IRA rate right after the news broke that he died around this. Sort of throwaway line in the Bill James spoke about how if you just for receiver Scott. A claim to be the best pitcher of all time I. think that's less true now than it was when that book was written twenty years ago but. I think he sort of what I ended up. Settling on there is this sort of a flattening effect among the Best Fredericton Sarah. So so guys like Phil, Niekro Steve, Carl Nolan Ryan who are contemporaries of cevers and obvious record-setting hall of famers in their own right. There was still a little bit extra that Seabra had in terms of numbers and data. So in the same way that this is by travers has movie bats are Mike Travers, Josh Donaldson, whoever the the player of the game or player the. The moment is seaver in a very modern way with you look the strikeout numbers that he that he put up the The low hit numbers that he he put up. Was I think he sort of gets underrated just because there's I I don't know why actually but we don't really seem to appreciate how good a pitcher he was the bed. Then he had that extra step even on on other generationals house like Carlton Brine Yeah I probably just time or the fact that shortly after his career we got Roger Clemens and Randy Johnson and Greg, maddux short. Noise together yes. Right at Pedro Randy Johnson Greg Maddux. Their peaks came sort of post seaver and and maybe they eclipsed his case for best ever. But those guys are fresher in our minds and our contemporaries because we weren't quite around too early enough to see see for pitch. 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Segment. So what we're GONNA do particularly this week is look at some of these underdogs that the teams that are just on the outside the teams that we didn't see coming in contrast to the Yankees and dodgers who might step up and make a surprise appearance I say surprise even by the standards of we've only got a couple of weeks left in the season. It would still be president. These teams made the playoffs? Oh. Ben, who is the biggest playoff odds riser in the past week. Biggest playoff odds riser chaos giants up by almost twenty five percentage points a nave appear in the segment before so they've been. There pretty much in there every week I don't know how their playoff odds are one hundred percent yet there and they're the big gainers this week. So if we're picking underdog teams coming into this season that we think are the most likely playoff teams now I will take the giants just because they are the Mr Chuck Pitch in that, their playoff odds are the highest compared to any other teams. You could walk into that category that are contenders despite not having high expectations. The giants now are playoff favorites after this latest great week there over five hundred, they're twenty, two and twenty one they have about sixty seven percent chance to make the. Playoffs right now I can't say I totally understand it but they're in really excellent position right now and it's partially I think the bullpen the bullpen has helped them but also the lineup has been great. They're like the Mirror Universe Yankees everything we were just saying about how the Yankees of underperformed and they haven't hit and they're bullpens been bad. The giants are the opposite in every respect. So their offense right now is the fifth best in baseball on the full season I can't really wrap my mind around that. It goes padres, mets, dodgers, white SOx giants fifteen percent better than league and you look at the names. I, mean we've talked about this before but. Look I like brandon belt as much as anyone but brandon belt is hitting three, thirty, seven, four, thirty to six, fifty four right now and L. MVP she I, mean he's a contender got about a man. He's in the conversation because we just brought him up in that conversation. But I think he's one of the more obvious picks there to have a great year. I mean it's Austin slater. It's make you strip skeeve more than following up his great rookie year. He has been fantastic. We've talked about him. It's Donovan Solano it's. A dickerson, it's Wilmer Flores it's Evan Longoria with the resurgence season. It's basically everyone is so i. don't know exactly how this is happening. Grit presby was making even your jokes on twitter earlier and it does have that same sort of feel of I. Don't know exactly how they're doing this, but they keep doing it and now I'm just sort of salivating over a potential. Dodgers giants playoff matchup because what would be better than that? The only scenario that might be better is if they had actually gone with the favorite team gets to pick its playoff opponent because then that would be juicy because if you were the dodgers, you'd probably pick the giants right 'cause they seem like maybe the weakest team in the Outfield, but then the pressure's on because. Giants rivalry and do you want them to come in and embarrass you by beating you in a short series after you pick them because he thought they were the weakest and really if you're the CI- I mean it's all kind of gravy right? 'cause you weren't expected to be their. Readers. Gabe Kaplan clubhouse. No. It's a good point yet too many carbs but yeah, I think. The. Dodgers were the tighten the juggernaut they're expected to be there. The giants are just these underdog at an aware guys and so if they actually matched up given the history between those teams that would be beautiful I simultaneously. Like there's only you know fifty to sixty percent chance that the giants make the playoffs but a one hundred percent chance that they face the dodgers in the playoffs and Mike quite sure how to square those two it would seem to be a logical fallacy but I'm sticking by it because they've been kind of squared up in the one versus eight matchup for a week now, and it seems like it just bound to continue over the next couple. It's it's the kind of chaos that is so chaotic it like it's so obvious that it would almost be anticlimactic if the giants. Faced and beat the dodgers in round one. The other thing in the even your front that I want to mention is Taylor swift put out a new album and it's good and that hasn't happened since two, thousand fourteen and the last time it happened before that was two, thousand twelve, and before that two, thousand ten. So all of the stars are aligning or the forces of chaos and Gigante Tude are converging. So I were going to have to call him something else if if they keep playing like this, all the stars are lining like Donovan. Solano who is now a star? Donovan Solano is I am so convinced he last played for the like twenty eleven marlins I I am. He is like He. Was Haram Boca Chica playing that like that's the the space that he occupies in my memory and it is shocking to me to see not only that he's playing in the major leagues this point by but absolutely killing it so good for him for out running the the boatman here. Ben. Who is number two? Actually I know who number two is because my my turn surprise guy, you're GonNa talk about number two. I was just talking about teams that have had good bullpens lately if you go back to August twentieth and you look at the best bullpens by win probability added, it goes raise athletics, marlins and giants, and we just talked about the giants. The marlins are the other team that has been buoyed by a good bullpen lately, and by other things too because they are the second biggest riser this week up eighteen point, five percentage points, and now close to a coin flip proposition for the playoffs. Yeah and we mentioned one of the things that Mesa giant. So chaotic is their bullpen has been prone to moments of of chaos in and of itself I guess is a good euphemism for that and the Marlins have been a lot more stable on the back end. This is a team that the rise in playoff. I'd doesn't just mean that they had a good week I think the composition of the team has changed recently with a couple of the call ups. that. They'd sixers beating the obvious one. Remind guide the the stuff that he's got it's unbelievable I. have no idea like he might be one of the one. I'M NOT GONNA go I'm sorry I'm going to dial it back a little bit of knocking to get over my skis six Sanchez but you look at him pitching. You see why that temptation exists. They've also called up Jazz Chisholm. Who is the infielder they got in return for Zach Gallon WHO's currently ascending the Pyramid of South Jersey Excellence Mounting A. Campaign for the Arizona diamondbacks. This was my favorite kind of trade. A prospect for prospect traits will see what gestures has to offer, and the other guy they brought in a deadline is startling Marta. Really good season for the diamondbacks player I like a lot I mean. That's just look at what they had in Centerfield. The succession of players they acquired for Christian Yelich shoe have severe sway admits, problems, sorrow Martinez a huge upgrade over that. So I, think this team is not only in a better position I think they are better than they were or two ago, and that has to enter in the calculus. The other thing is. I think I like this roster less than a couple of the AL contenders. It's there's so much. It's so much easier to get into the back end of that an old playoff picture. So this is a big week for the Marlins have got their starting Thursday. They've got seven games and five days against the Phillies who have a better roster but also have a long history of absolutely choking against the against even bad marlins, teams and three games after they got that against the Red Sox, we'll see what they come out of the next ten ten games with because that's GONNA determine their season of one way or another they got to put a lot of numbers up on the board. I'm liking my preseason Marlins won't finish in last place prediction but I think what? Yeah, you definitely I saw the circumstance with the marlins not finishing last place. That's good for prognostication by US Zach I think what? What is interesting about this marlins team is the number kind of the combination and number of interesting players like you mentioned bike they have all these young players coming up but then they also add startling morte at the same time so. It's not. Just a team that is relying on prospects. The next team I'm going to talk about it it's a team that is getting contributions from different places and different ages and just kind of a well rounded team. I like a lot of their pitchers and I think they're lineup is in total zero anymore. So it's not like they're just relying on a an extended string of great pitching performances they have. kind of balanced throughout the roster. Yeah. One other either getting back into hoes Ahah Raina who wasn't that good last year but was there defacto ace the two seasons before that and I mean, this is a a season which just having one. Okay. Starting pitcher might be the difference between making the ploughs at not. So it's like you said interesting mix suppliers. Team that. confounds me completely but I like the direction they're headed. So Zach your pick is not one of the three biggest risers this week but they are a team the you alluded to having a lot of prospects and being in a pretty favorable position right now, the way the Astros and the Yankees were playing. So the. Underdog team that I think I'm going to argue for to make the playoffs is the Tigers and I think. While, the Marlins for instance have an opportunity because there's not really that many nationally teams who are either guaranteed a playoff spot at this point or that we can count on. There's also a lot of chaos. Right? There are maybe thirteen nationally clubs that have a shot at the postseason right now, the Al you basically have ten maybe eleven. So wall the teams that the Tigers might need to run down are better. It's not like they have as much traffic to get there I think the Tigers over the last week playoff odds have dropped by eleven percentage points, which isn't great. They lost three pretty close games in a row to the twins. But they have a favorable schedule. The rest of the way they have six remaining games against the royals and I think the Tigers pitching staff could make or break this season for them. Spencer Turnbull has turned in A. Didn't even mean that Pun Spencer. Turnbull has in a pretty good season I think he was good last year he just received zero run support and his surface stat stuff suffered accordingly but he's been good I think even someone like Daniel Norris has had a resurgence. He was a one time top prospect and took a while to get going. He is fan himself now reinvented as a long man swing man Kinda reliever he has nineteen strikeouts only three walks and one home run allowed this season. The. The big disappointment. I think Casey Mayes, who is the former number one pick and came up a couple of weeks ago. He's made four starts and none of them have been very good. He's striking batteries out but also giving up a lot of hard contact and a lot of hits and I think if he. is able to make one or two good starts down the stretch that will really changed the complexion of the Tiger tation because Matt Boyd Is. I don't know his bat void has gone now because Matt Boyd is giving up Bushels of home runs and they need a second or third reliable starting pitcher beyond turnbull but I think if someone like miser Turks coup ball gets there the Tigers have a chance to run down at the INCAS are the Blue Jays or the astros just because they have the scheduled to do it and they have kind of. They have the roster where you just need one or two more guys to step up and in a twenty game span that certainly possible. Yeah. You mentioned running down one or two more guys you know they called up today staff Cameron. So who's winning the Justin verlander trade now? The Tigers have the easiest path ahead of them of any of these long shot teams that we've been talking about I think you know if you look at their upcoming strength, the schedule, their remaining opponents collectively are supposed to people. Oh, five hundred, which is not the case for the MARLINS sue at a pretty tough slate ahead of them, the giants to to a lesser extent. So the Tigers I think have an easier time of it. I think they obviously are longer shots than the other teams we talked about but that helps a little bit. Who who would you take between the Tigers the orioles and the mariners kind of these unheralded teams trying to chase down the better teams as the number eight seed. So I'll say this, I am deeply uncomfortable with the amount. The Anthony Santander injury has impacted my view of the American League playoff race. Because of all the things I didn't think I was was going to happen this year that's up there I. Think you're right with the Tigers I kind of want it with the mariners, but you have to have to win a little bit harder I think with. But honestly, you mentioned the path I, think the path is. Yankees or and or asteroids wake up and all this ends up being moot. Yeah. I. Think it's the Tigers, but the orioles would be fun. That would be the most chaotic outcome of the season right I mean they were the the team that I jokingly predicted would win the world series before the season started in sixty game season just because that was the most inconceivable outcome. There is no way to imagine that a team as bad as the orioles were last year and seemingly no better going into this year possibly worse. For them to string together this number of competent games is already a surprise. So if they somehow pulled it out, I think that would be fun although I feel like the Tigers have earned it a bit more by promoting these prospects and granted they had more highly touted prospects to the majors to do that with than the Orioles did but they've kind of gone for it in a little bit different way than Baltimore has. So I think the Tigers deserve to be rewarded for that. We're GonNa talk about where Zach thought the we're going to end up. If. We thought about a punishment for if they end up making the playoffs after he predicted, they would when single digit games I think Jake. Men's has covered on the sister pot. All right. Well, punishment to calm I. Think this is GonNa. End this episode of the Ringer Mlb Show thanks Zach, and Ben for joining me. Thanks to bobby for producing today's episode. 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Ep 1: A Taste - Fat Unicorn with  a Moose Head

Opie Radio

46:35 min | 1 year ago

Ep 1: A Taste - Fat Unicorn with a Moose Head

"What's going on everybody. Welcome to the o._b. Radio podcast. We're gonna do something just a little different today. It's called a taste simply. Po were finding out that there are a lot of people just getting turned on to the podcast and we know they're not going to go back. I can listen to one hundred and thirty one episode now. So what we're gonna do is try to make it a little easier for those people to catch up but also also your faithful listener to the podcast. It's a good look back at some of the funny interesting things we have done on this podcast so far so we're gonna start off today by going back to the first four episodes of the podcast. We started over a year ago at carl's creepy cabin now. You've got to remember when i was pulling up to carl's creepy cabin. I was in a much different place in my life. I just lost a massive radio show and i was just chilling out on the beach for like eight nine i ten months. I was starting from nothing and what made this really interesting. Carl was also started from nothing. He had a big time restaurant. That was so successful that gave up <hes> in a divorce. He lost his house. He lost his marriage and that's why he ended up in this creepy ep cabinet so i pull up and i was pretty excited that we were starting from scratch and i'll never forget. The cabin was in the middle of the woods in the middle of new jersey in a town. I never heard of their a wild animals all over the place. I pulled down this dirt road neighbors peeking out their windows going. Who the hell is that they were ready to call the authorities or they're ready to get shotguns the creepy cabin i i walk in. There's no tv there's no couch. There's one fold out table with two folding chairs and one beer in the middle of the table with two red cups and i said to myself i self perfect. I loved it so we're going to start off the first episode of a taste with me. The ad carl's creepy cabin starting up this fine fine podcasts for all you guys. We're gonna learn about how carl got into cooking and his brother is way different than him. We also talk about the black fetish. Oh yeah dabid do now and then will end it at the creepy cabin with us talking about karl all stupid bird house. I hope you enjoy <music> and it's well i wouldn't i wouldn't describe driving pretty tread lightly opie i would i would describe it as very quaint. I'll take point very look down like nolan floor loser custom tiles their custom tile as those ran got their plastic for star yeah. That's that's our seasonal and is your whole cabin kind of sliding into the woods because i i noticed the a decline dramatic decline from the front door to your bedroom because of my weight problem i am very gravity sensitive and i do walk faster towards the advocated towards the kids. You're walking downhill in this part. I don't think you should point things out like that. I mean to be at someone's home. I enjoy it. I'm enjoying it so far. I do like acquaintances but it seems like it's a cabin right out of one of those teenager. <hes> slash your movies. The what am i came here and he has no filter yeah and he comes in he goes. This is the worst f._m. Place i wanna leave right now because there's so many ghost based in there. I can't even fit real. He felt a ghost energy. No i believe in that shit. He believes there's in here. Really someone was killed in here now. Now i wouldn't be surprised. I mean that i wouldn't be surprised because that's a plexiglass window. That window has been replaced. Someone jumped out of there the and the landlords. I'll just put a plexiglass window up for the next guy to put back on zillow. I'll tell you at night. This cabin has to have of a much different field or the day. It's all bright and cheery and you look out the window. You could see a deer or black bear at any moment and then at night eight-man every noises gotta freak you out. It has a two hundred foot walk from the carded a real the cat and it's pitch dark right. It's a different type of dark. It's like you're blind dark and things just make noise out there like what is that an ice swear. I'm a nervous wreck. I shape open the tour. I got my phone line dropped the other day drop. Mike von lifted outside. I was so scared. I left my phone outside and just went to sleep. Let's say breaking you down and this is what i'm good at breaking down. You know you're gonna love this place. It's so cool you're scared of in my life the woods bullshit. I hate it here if i open this beer no. Let's do that so what kind of beer you got to this founder c._b._s. Michigan michigan guys yeah <hes> founders. They're unbelievable so this is an imperial stout stout yeah so it's nice it's nice and heavy quicken coffee. I don't like stoute's ultra the whole you might have so nervous here. I'll drink this this whole thing off one beer beer and i was hoping you'd say no you wanna drink. I'll check it out. I'm not sure if i actually like stout. I don't know why do you like stoute's. This is one of the best and what makes a beer a stout oh. I don't know how how you really don't know yeah. It's it's a style. It's a remarkable style. Yeah wait what. What did you get these cups these at the dollar store okay the red in plastic cups. They're wonderful. This should be a like a fraternity logo on the side of this cup you you just came up here and just shit on everything that i have kids shit on the fact. You've got a plastic cups biodegradable and a couple of hundred years. Try that and that is smooth for real men so here's here's the problem with starting to get talking about ears. Yeah people that are beer. Nerds are the same as like trekkies or star wars people or there's so nerdy into this tread lightly right and i try to stay away from the the beer craft craze because the people out of their minds they're out of their reminds jehovah witness crazy right so i know a couple good beers that usually have a drink light beer. It's like we're talking of the day right. Yeah i like seventy style. Bloggers and pills noor's like slits like schlitz old milwaukee walkie p._b._r.'s because i drink bourbon yeah and i just use beer whereas lubricating agent so that i can get drunk and fall asleep. Cut here in the wilderness and forget about your problems anymore. Many it is too many life. It's awful damn. My grandfather got me into cooking when i was when i was eleven years old turning going about to turn twelve my grandfather calls me and my grandfather's very wise very short with words and he said to me he said call come here. I said what's up grandpa. He says i keep hearing your grandmother and your mother. Tell you that your special. You're not special. He says you see your brother of. They're not accurate special russian he goes. Could you explain your brother to the people that haven't heard yet. He basically can liquidate if he wanted to. That's how you know. He's a cardiothoracic surgeon. He operates rates on every babies easy operates on babies that are still in that. Oh yeah no no. That's his wife. Oh she's an o._b._g._y._n. Trauma surge <hes> ah they they married each other's to computers dude. Let me tell you something you're at a family party and they like and may have jokes with each other. It's just vape full sohar. They break to take my brother looking at katie like scalpels said and i'm like good go <music>. I mean they're the most unfunny to human beings. I honestly think if you're highly intelligent like your brother that you should marry like perkins waitress your rage. He's alleged that and that doesn't work at soapy radio. So what does he do exactly his wife. Life is one that operates on baby news he deals with with people that have less than ten percent of the massive congenital heart defect so he's basically basically the grim reaper wait. Does he operate on kids. Are everybody in. I think mostly kids you have to be. How do i say this carefully. He has to be autistic in a way or or he has to be like slightly dead inside. You could see the spectrum coming out of his eyes. I mean i'm not trying to be rude but if your job is where you're dealing with parents that have a really sick the kid and and they are coming to you knowing the only have a ten percent chance. He's your report. That's what i call. But how do you go home like nothing like a switch. It doesn't bother 'em you come home. Play with the kids laughing and he'll talk to you about it right like like i'm talking about. You know drinking a beer. I don't know how you do. Clinical doesn't even faze them so it doesn't faze him. Be saving the kid doesn't phase him one way in and it doesn't phase him if the kid doesn't make it the the kid doesn't make an i can't wrap my head around either and lee has the same attitude as a serial killer really. I think it's the same thing just uninterrupted. It's funny. You should say that 'cause my daughter went on a play date recently with a doctor. How will the streak daughters five gotcha and and it was it was me and the dad so he doesn't work he does nothing. I go. What do you do. He goes do nothing. He collects records. He'd collects all the beatles beatles imports. All you need the japanese press because a blade. You think that's cool it was it was cool listening to records with the guy you gotta give me a second. Where were you that what did he just bring a record player on and i went to his house with you know in our kids play together and and we were listening to records and stuff and in a way was kind of interesting but you do your hands is like with records. You mean like what do you do. You stare at each other while the records playing look at other stuff. Do you look at your phone well. It was one of those snowy days in new york city so the window looking out the window listener regular making believe i care about the japanese importers of abbey road this you're right. It didn't help that my my little daughter almost broker ankle on an exercise his bike staring at each other's is imported record but my daughter is now on an exercise bike from the seventies those old school where everything this guy have old old and usually see these exercise bikes old people's houses that they may be exercised twenty years prior and now. It's like a kodak so my daughter's on in. I don't know she should be on that man but then disguise daughter was on. I'm like all right if his daughters on it then i guess my daughter could do and then my daughter goes daddy. We stay. I'm having so much fun here and it's a nice snowy day in new york. It's like almost like a blizzard outside the ordered pizza. It's it's kind of nice as far as it goes right also now. I'm i'm listening to gay parents. I'm listening to you know another beatles song from some some australian import. I don't know but is it. The same song now aware switching records does the import songs and the same as the man. Does this guy sucks because my my my ears are dead from doing so oh many years of radio since your soul to doing there maybe as a turntable. He's trying to explain why the turntables better than the cds and i'm like man. You're talking to the the wrong person because i i can't hear anymore. Shoot a flare up and extract party anyway so then my daughters. Can we stay eight two minutes later carl. She's screaming bloody murder. She fell off the bike and got her foot stock up and i looked at his ankle and we're like oh my thoughts. She broke her leg long story short. She was fine in the end but it was bad really bad so good because you got to leave right injured kid but no more all i'm grabbing her. Thank thank you thank you trying to get a cab and by the time i got the cabin got her in the backseat. I realize we don't have to go to the hospital but actually what the doctor the next day but that was now. It's becoming being boring. It wasn't broken so anyway this guy he's a stay at home. Dad basically says yeah. I don't i don't do nothing. My my wife's a doctor and i what are you doing. He explained the record collection he goes. I categorize my records. That's what i do every day so he gets these records go there anymore. The more he gets these records for kids away from you to listen to it and then he decides he rates it. The quality of the record rates it yeah all the stuff he's part of facebook ace book club and all that he's all this but i really did like the guy so his wife getting back to your brother his wife <hes> operates breasts breast cancer and she does a lot of these surgeries a lot like twenty a week because there she's seen a lot of death to you and i mean a lot of success. Not maybe not as bad as your brother wins ten percent but she's probably she's trying to save people's lives as well so i was is trying to talk to this guy about movies and and t._v. Shows he goes. Oh in this house because of what my wife does when she comes home. We don't watch anything heavy so he goes into the gilmore girls don't ever did i hit the study but i don't either serve because the story your kids fine but it made sense to me because you know he's kind of frustrated because i was talking about. I'm frustrated. I was talking about like walking walking dead and he's like yeah. I'm not a lot. We're not allowed to watch any of that because when she comes home she wants to turn off and watch just mindless stop so he goes. I actually actually a really into the gilmore girls and he's like. I'll probably the only heterosexual male that's into the gilmore girls a throat punch covering it. Would it be an full fight with where i'd like to know. I liked him. He's a creep so it goes back to your brother. Who's like just ah intellect any his job is pretty freaking brutal so now back to us all right so you grandfather goes to you. You're you're not like your brother. Who's like just highly intelligent and it's going to be this doctor always nerve yeah. He was like boris. He's a little kid like sexless really. I didn't like girls like boys though we don't think anything so how did this study all day like a weirdo. How did he get into you know. The putty is as i think i think he's white bumped into his crotch and he's like will you marry me radio talk about my black fetish on a future episode. What did he have dated. A black girl not dated but so. Let's talk about. I it's a whole different experience lassoed one brought her home and then what happened shit like your beatles records well. Oh boy did did you do i try to you know you did something in front of her. Go down right no college hot garbage. How old are you rough did she run home was old. You gotta be careful that no it was it but you're not a quitter man. You got to just don't do it again but you don't wash off. It was the the odor. You couldn't put your t. shirt over your it was rough but an engine that was rough at engine. Now you gotta suck it through. You gotta sexy but it took me out of the game but anyway it takes. You have nothing to how that doesn't take you out of the game and death will take me out of the game. I'm really there's not once we engage. It's full going to get a stick like when a pit bull lock sansom and and pull me off. His stick smells rough with doesn't bother me chef. I can spell any vic. Can you hold this because i know this is gonna end up being another twenty minutes so i'm gonna i'm. I'm gonna walk five feet to carl's bathroom and the cabin. It's at least three topics. It's eight feet okay but i wanna keep this rolling so just talk about whatever you want and promote your stuff. Promote your stuff your restaurant. I'm going to talk about anything. Look you know we're not cutting no cutting no but if i want to have a cigarette oh you wanna abbas cigarette. Let's go to go have a cigarette. That's where we're going to do. I'm going to go the bathroom. We'll take a smoke break but they're not gonna know that as a smoke break because it's just going to be like that that da right right back at it so i'm at carl's cabinet in the middle of the woods new jersey <music>. I'm going to go to the bathroom. Car's gonna have a cigarette outside. I'm like on the bathroom outside i can. It's one of my favorite things to do here. Being nature is not trying to look at my pene. Are you gloss over here but up to the right thing. It's not gay is not a house ten miles miles for me to go carl favorable taken by the window looks like our relationships go into the next level rush. You can't get out of here. I love sneaking up on things. It's one of my v since i was a little kid. When i was a little kid you know what i did it for a little while but my parents thought i was crazy i would dig ditches and cover them leaves and just watch people fall into ah so like all the other tag building a whole again and then just watch like brian lang pook from down the street just get in this little ditch how dumb ac- smarter than it would make my up we and what i would see this little dumdum with his ice cream run across the kim he was gone of course i loved it. I loved it my parents. They found it so unsettling i'd be in the n._b._a. What i thought would which was is little plot of land between one house in another and how we track the toll areas attracted neighbor for a week until i figured where he would walk to work until the ditch there radio. How many how many i put up numbers good numbers right number so now west coast you'd goes. I belong in the west coast. I put up numbers on the west coast. I'm like exotic. The thing about the gay community especially out in the west coast is as a heterosexual having a large gay community. Lets you say say things that you can't say when the west coast. I could be in a room full of girls. I'm like i'm sad. Oh aw right here going out sad like dr what's wrong. You can show your feminine larry. I love <music> cupcakes. It's totally because his men talk about this. Law as men were not really allowed to show and every male. Oh has a feminine side by few if you disagree with that for crying eating ice cream comes like they're just getting wet. I'm like because women want units shoal a bit of a and it's just a basket case but i i would move to san francisco tomorrow. That was an east coast city places. I mean it's crazy liberal. Let's let's not. Let's not doc play this interest but my my roommate was taking me to all sorts of kill a restaurant where the homeless like we're talking the expensive restaurants hold on commissioner laying out all your literally stepping over homeless people tavern amazing meal and the whole city just accepts that whole vibe whether weirdest thing that happened between san francisco was something that's only happened to me once and have it to me in san francisco los coming out of one of my favorite restaurants in mauka dentistry had a cold beer wasn't being attention. I stepped in human poop. Wow that was everything. I've gone through in my life. That bothered me. You know it was just i. I couldn't get clear not pulpy it was it was something that i get it. It stopped me dead in my tracks. The smell i humor i i knew immediately from the slip of it from the moisture content of it from everything. What just oh you know because you could feel the greasy nece a dog poo be like different texture. You stephon dog poo. You stop immediately human. You're gonna slot god. It is so slippery and get it off off opie. I left my shoe right on. I've turned sneakers away. After i got into a cab yeah no sneakers and i didn't think of any other logical thing to do. Yeah do want this. You want me for another second right. I'm glad you came here really no one's doing it this way. The house that i that i built mill built this birdhouse outside yeah so i could see the birds look dumb. I put a little little piece of wood by the whole kit his head dan the birds fly into they hate it. They leave you need to you need something they could stand on and then they could go into the little hole and you need a little like feed or trey right. Birdhouse birdhouse expert and i didn't know this birdhouse whispered. I got one in my beach house. I like another spare averill then you learn the black crowes are just nasty black crows or people. They're nasty party to people and i believe that i don't know if i believed i just said that but it keeps all the birds away the blue jerry orioles blockbuster monsters and the cardinals. They're they're just animals stupid. Stupid birds hope you're enjoying a taste a look back at the earlier episodes of the opie radio podcast. It's pretty much for the newer listeners of the podcast. Although i'm sure sure some of you faithful podcast listeners are enjoying the look back <hes> we're gonna continue. We go to gephardt's for the second. Half of this. Gephardt's is a great beer beer joint on the upper west side on every second street. I hope if you ever make it to new york city that you stop by and say hi to matt gang. I think you'll really really enjoy his joint on this section carlson california being a tv star so i met up with vic kenley insurance small this is a great episode and this is just a few the highlights you might want to go back and listen to the entire episode episode four but here. I give you a little taste. We talk about black mcdonald's. We talked about randy. Johnson hank aaron kobe bryant being dicks and the time i was addicted the rock i asked vic kelly why he didn't wanna have kids we talk about vic canley making making out with a superstar in first class on a flight came out of nowhere we also talk about jamaica and the weed and for the entire hire episode there was this table of dutch people just babbling and babbling babbling and finally we invited one of the guys over and he was just just a lot of fun to talk about and then we're going to wrap up with ashtrays on planes that's right. Every body sounds little hack but it's not all right right back to a taste on the opie radio podcast. There's a high school in this area. That's very black. Let's martin luther king <hes> <hes> yeah. It's about four blocks that way martin luther king martin luther king okay yes. The black is name of a black school and then there's a there's a mcdonald's when you when it comes out when you're white white is me walking past that mcdonald's is scaring a joke about it on the subway and a black high school going like high school just go to subway. That's what that mcdonald's senator mcdonald right around the corner. We walk by the lot and around three o'clock. We know to avoid in this area no favorite one and then like the first season six we could call it flat. There's that's my favorite mcdonalds mcdonalds ronnie. Dot you wanna pick in the way you wanna see a show. Though you go there around three o'clock they have they have three or four security guards at that mcdonald's all the time ah every day and then man someone's got explain the n. word thing because that word is they thought around even as you go. You got explain that crap to me because i honestly honestly don't get it. How serious that were truly is when you hear it a hundred times with two minutes with the youth was anything eh it does what sometimes i see. Young kids different races black white all us together and this they actually did what it is. Trump is not. That's you know that's a good take better and light that just playing devil's advocate. It's still bringing young kids together and they don't see the big deal because they don't use their parents. You know what's sad about that though because we're all older now let's go around the table. We we all use the word cats viglen get an hour block do all do. I'll say i'll say and whatnot right yeah. Ray johnson buddied up with foxworthy when he was a rookie with the expos right and they shared spring training with the braves down in west palm beach and we do the club every year and show when the only thing they were advertising at the time was randy johnson the the tallest rookie that will ever play and maybe they didn't know you're going to be the big unit they just they blame the total tall car right right sure because free he was so to the you know the brooklyn diner on whereas zest thank you better i would get. I would get a booth near the window one day. His head just went off and by the way her chilling no no rain you you don't see any. I can't really see the allston this head. I was hanging now with jim. Norton and we ran out to get his picture and he and he was he was not take a picture. I the n._f._l. To you and a little boy. I laughed my ass off. I thought it was hilarious. Jim not so much koby bryant down on a pick. There's a rookie wows like this hank. You'll never make it same spring training. When you're hank aaron waving amy i called him behind i saw him. He was moving from one field to another field. You know they have different. You know all squads playing yes and so i kept him coming out of the bathroom and i know he's got a circle around to go here and go round the other side of the building. I'm going to walk out and it'll just be me and him walking along there together right and i couldn't even sign autographs. I had a ball <music> hammer and he all he just yelled walk. My fingers are at the heart kobe. Was i what you do with kobe with iraq iraq iraq dwayne johnson and to this day you know he's still cool all and he absolutely remembers me from the days but at any w. came back no we came in and as a young you know w._w._f. At the time superstar and we're having a good the time and we knew all the russell's back then because your entire with the mcmahon family and we invited one of our super fans to come in and ran a wrestling slink fuck in website or or message board and also we go. Hey man blank. I don't wanna say his name. Hey do you have a question for the rock rock. Turn to win your for blah blah from that the message more and a long long story short. He basically goes. I'll never do your show again. If you're associated with that guy. He's a racist the racist stuff on that message with iraq on this being anthony an 'cause. He's becoming a big star right wing so i'll be up through throw to do that. You heard hoping he walked didn't even know what the interviews so i. I pulled what you did with. Kobe said you know what you'll never be. Raw raw one uh-huh. We missed the boat on. It's all vote on the radio. Show is on fire back right and you chose that racist. This is dude no he. The rock walked out on us without allowing us to explain treaty room. We ended the game on this monday monday night. We truly didn't know so my you'll never be as big as i wonder what's fast forward twenty years. I just sat on my own podcast equipment. Here it appears the rock is the highest paid actor in hollywood. And why didn't you ever wanna have kids victim <hes> because the henley line needs to stop with me no more handling and why do you say that because it's just a you don't know family why did want a five year old with grey hat on a related right. I don't need a baby jay. Leno hello thank you. It's been an hour. You finally came up with joe to hide okay. Let me see roster hit ridiculous kids. Oh i love nikki's kizer do kids. I love and i just didn't want any of my own. Yes the him. The family needed in with me. That's such a young the youngest sibling thing this right. You're the youngest just like me and this. 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Did you get to dry out for now then. That was it. She was like one room behind me. Get back that was when she heard that hey uh she's like. I don't know what you think's going on here but he did get your ass back. I'll kiss me back. Thank you back how you doing. I didn't make that up accused you back. I'm a season long as she's <hes> she's. She's lovely long play. The funny thing is just like every citizen in jamaica could grow six plants. That's the really they said pretty much. Everyone has six plants grown in their backyard. I'm such an adult adult. That's a dutch thing taste. That's absolutely there's just the dutch now. They don't a grocer no matter weed when growing up in holland ellen numbered hold on talk. That's all right. We're gonna make it well. What's your name is christine. I absolutely damn strong house belt on the icebound. The we know your country you love me. I love everyone wieght so so how many plants can use we are allowed to grow three plants three okay bob in case. There are two dying. You are allowed to raise five in a harvest. Can you harvest the whole five. Ah officially let's go over to waste plants. If they grow my neighbors do it fanatically by the way really yeah. They do it now so growing up there by the year in high school. Aren't you kind of overall ninety on our free available. You not so interested anymore address. It's the same way because the only guy you see in amsterdam which totally stoned i'd foreign tourists talion america adding lists that go over the top once in a while one of them jumps into the canal never not natural selection by calling the heard i know actually i know the professor in psychology criminology okay e._s. <hes> researching edrich abuse okay all over the world as it happens to be the only city which is diminishing. Yes because i agree i i very curious what happens now in california when they're free right cannabis and the thing is that going to be a big deal anymore. Yeah that's already becoming like because because it's getting out of the criminal circuits and it's becoming well league criminal. Take some of the fun out of it. Well like franson franson something else you buy god this. I'm i'm in <hes> renewable energy. I'm china is energy independent now. When you look at europe does the list and besides multi is on the on the bottom second on the bottom is no. It's really devastating. How our policy is working out with natural resources. You wouldn't have to retake rain. You look at germany. It's the top one in the world but why why is it. That's what she got because now. We're not doing it on. The contrary i was on their american is worse. It's of course when you look at in my field. I is germany's second this china trump's bringing back. The coal industry here in america. Trump is the nitty nitty. I know it's unbelievable sets more on notice joke. Russian said were too. I wanted to put the dog in in space yeah and that would put a monkey into y la good let him get away with that 'esprit. Eh barris sites for the relief. I finally learned why ashtrays on planes twenty eight i guess because they know people are going to sneak cigarettes so they're like fuck. We should have ashtrays just the cake because that's why they still have. Ashtrays are playing <hes> <hes>. I wanna make sure they use it. I read newsweek so i know it's true rude. Gotta mentioned the lady. That got sucked the fuck out of that. Oh god i was talking to a pilot. He goes the odds of that happening. I can't what senior on it out halfway out to kill. They were pulling taylor says it's so rare that a piece of the engine would fly off to begin with then it has to hit one of the windows which did making a whole sucking her out he goes. You don't even understand the odds of that. God really wanted her changing my wishy but final destination away from that last crash figured out today's in line montmartre don't magro haiku by the way this is worth thank you my girlfriend called me and her only point and she felt all vocal. She's really sweet bars but she read the account of the person that was sitting either in front of or behind it right and this person said all i know is i looked up and heard a crazy easy crashing sound then some old lady role lady sucked out magro looked up and goes the lady was like forty five years old which is my girlfriend's friends as she was just mad that it was that the person old lady near the whole point was some twenty seven year old and we'll rose. I looked up. Some old lady was getting sucked out and then my girlfriend goes. Oh lady a forty five the old lady. She wasn't concerned at all right a tragedy. It's like what twenty forty two or whatever that is brutal but you almost get so yes. Let me ask you this. They had an electric show and i think japan and they were talking about drones and now they have passenger drones. Would you get on a ban but i've seen souls in one. The technology is such just like uber are you can you can call yourself a fucking drunk get in it. There's no one obviously do it. You would do it in a second. I trust a unmanned unmanned drone more than i trust a fucking new york. City cabdriver gone all right. How about a plane without a pilot because they're getting close to that too. Yes i would do it the pilot let me tell you walk on the plane. You owe to the left and nobody in their five. That's not fucking with your head. You know what missiles get delivered that way and they're accurate. British ships these pilots and meghan sleet who would have got to work around forty eight hours in a row. That's fucking plane crash upstate new york in france. Yes must girlfriends. Bugging friend's mother was a stewardess a flight attendant on that fight. That was all those pilot error. All right. There was pilot pounds had no sleep right. They had to do fucking forty eight hours straight. One was a female pilot wants a male pilot and they had to do so many flights in a row they kill those those people the pilots computer nigga to get your g._p._s. is always making great points but psychologically. That's not huckabee. You're having a plane without a pilot when i look in the arsia facing like this <hes> how much they wanna live stares me to a military should there because most people i don't think would actually go on a plane without a pilot. They should just put some dummy in there. Make you believe these to fly an airplane with the flu commit to enter the housing yes. You've got to blow them up in his car. Uh-huh oh man.

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 187: MLB and MLBPA Headed Towards a Battle?, NL Champion Crowned in "Best team in MLB History"

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GSMC Baseball Podcast Episode 187: MLB and MLBPA Headed Towards a Battle?, NL Champion Crowned in "Best team in MLB History"

"Golden State concepts baseball PODCASTS. We cover everything major league from spring training the world series. Got Your Favorite Club cover from New York to Boston to this. Is the Golden State media concepts baseball? Podcasts hello and welcome in to another edition of the baseball podcast brought to you by the G. S. MC podcast network. I'm your host as always Kevin Mahalick. This is episode number. One eighty-seven of the baseball podcast here on Monday may eleventh first off. I want to give a shout to all the mothers out there. Happy Mother's Day recording here Sunday evening. Hopefully you enjoy a beautiful weekend out there for your mother or if you're if you're not you enjoyed yourself as well you know. Let's celebrate all the women out there for the weekend if you don't have kids maybe have pets and that'll work just the same so happy. Mother's Day to everyone out there who spent time with your families whether it was via zoom or facetime or whatever. It is in these trying times. Hopefully you enjoyed yourself this past weekend and again a shadow. It's all the healthcare workers. Everybody out on the front line started off. Today's episode special. Thanks goes out to you. Guys never says doctors whoever essential personnel as well everybody working at the grocery stores and things along those lines making sure we can carry on normal as possible here a big shout out to you as well out there but today's going to be a great episode. We got a ton of information to go over some controversial topics to discuss throughout the next hour. Plus here so. If you're just joining episode we appreciate you guys listening. Scroll on down. If you're listening on apple podcast give us five stars rate review the PODCAST. We read all the reviews. Here on the PODCAST. So if you do have a response or a take to something that is said here today. Let me know in the in. The reviews will read those off for you. And if you're back in active routine listener thank you once again. We appreciate you continuing to listen and spread the word here. The baseball PODCASTS. Jumping right into it. We talked last episode about the most recent proposal from baseball to the Elbe. Well we've had further reports now and details. Continue to emerge cheer the latest proposal. Ken Rosenthal of the athletic has reported that Basically the the nuts and bolts in the nitty gritty of it are are what we've discussed. They're looking right at about an eighty game season. Seventy eight eighty two games. Whatever works out to starting out in early July. And how they're going to have these games played is everybody is going to play within their own division and as well as the rival conferences division so for the Philadelphia phillies local Philadelphia. They'll play the NFL east as well as the Al East. If you're a San Francisco giants fan you guys are playing the NFL West in the Al West and the goal for this is to eliminate as much travel as possible. But some of the push back that I've discussed and some of the players are talking about is think about the NFL east. You have the Atlanta Braves and the Miami Marlins so the people up North Northeast are going to be traveling via plane down there in the Al East you have the Tampa rays. So you're going to Florida they're in the Al East so it's not going to eliminate all travel and honestly. I still think it's going to be too much travel for these teams. Especially when you get out west and you get into some of these teams that Really don't have anybody close to them. Thinking of like the Denver rockies the Seattle Mariners each one of their divisional games is going to be a trip in the Houston. Astros being in the West everybody coming to Houston or Houston going out west to Seattle time after time. It's going to be a long grueling season as well as difficult to do logistically are they just flying in and out of international airports. Are they being tested before? And after these flights and just a lot of different people handling their baggage everybody in baggage claim and all these airports. It's going to be a lot to hammer out and honestly I just feel as if it's still going to be too much travel to a rather ambitious goal for Major League Baseball but the next bullet point here teams will open up the season in their home parks wherever possible which we talked about again playing in Philadelphia and then Miami and Elena and Tampa Bay still donut travel but this is due to the players in their push back for being in quarantine did cuts down travel but it's also easy to have the players be with their families. The major pushback you heard about the Arizona Texas Florida plans which apparently are are seen as quote unquote viable and logistical nightmares. Because the local law enforcement and quarantining to and from and keeping up to date with everybody. It's almost like a martial law type of situation. Where basically they're saying. It's just you can't do it so the next best option is to be in your home ballparks. Meaning you're going from your house or your home apartment to the stadium. Everyday players will be able to be with their families. A lot of players a lot of high profile players are expecting kids within the next couple of months and basically said I'll Miss Baseball to be there and that's not something. Major League Baseball wants to deal with only playing eighty games and now teams players. GonNa to Miss. Twenty of those to see the birth of their child. Which everybody's going to understand but it's certainly going to affect the team. That's a quarter of the season instead of the typical three out of one sixty two. You're looking at twenty out of eighty. So that percentage not great and really not what they're looking for in the last bullet point here is that they're going to expand the playoffs to seventeen months right now. It's currently at five teams three division winners now. The two wildcards play a sudden death game while they're going to extend that to seven teams and basically follow the footprint of the NFL the NFL recently went from six teams and expanded to seven teams and the way the format works. One team will now get a by from the opening round and then the two through seven three through six four through five will play each other and then that leads to four to one off you go and this is part of the discussion. That was brought up this past off season before all of this cove in nineteen in corona virus stuff took place Major League. Baseball was looking to expand the playoffs. And I personally think it's a good move because we we've come around on the wildcard game and honestly I especially this season with eighty games. I don't think those would be one in done games in the first round. I think they're looking at a best of three. For the opening round and then a best of seven best of seven potentially or even five seven seven just more playoff games the more revenue than more television games. You can put down there that you can play is what Major League. Baseball is looking for and specifically with an eighty game season. It's not going to tell you the best team is. We talked about last year. Washington nationals through eighty games made the playoffs and they ended up winning the world series. So clearly it's going to be a sprint. Which therefore they WANNA get more teams into the post season. Allow more to have an opportunity to win it. A best of three two out of three for the weekend. I think would be excellent television even if it's during the week outside of football because if you're going July through October you're having the playoffs in November. Obviously on the weekend you're competing with the NFL if they're playing scheduled on Saturdays College football. There's rumors whether that is going to be taking place on Saturday but Monday through Friday. You may be on a downtime there during the offseason of basketball and hockey where they're typically starting their fall season. They're going to be delayed if they're this as well and going right into the playoffs so during the week in the fall it's going to be wide open for is and opportunities to grow the sport and have even more fans watching so the more teams that play the more cities that will be involved in the post-season even if there's more teams that means more cities will be involved at the end of the regular season to potentially make the playoffs. There's a lot of positives when it comes to a seventeen playoff moving forward so this proposal currently here as of Sunday is working its way with the owners is up for approval from ownership and the belief is that it's going to pass four the ownership and be sent over to the players but there is one hold up in one potential pitfall for this entire proposal. That really could be a sticking point moving forward and we're going to talk about it in a lot more detail in the second segment coming up. But essentially it's being reported more and more that owners are going to ask players to take an additional pay-cut above and beyond what they've already agreed upon and the initial reaction from players has not been positive. So we're going to get into that in a lot more detail. This next segment of the baseball podcast. I gotTa Lot to say on this and there are some hot takes being flown around the Internet as well but wrapping up the first segment here once again. Happy Mother's Day to all you mothers out there. Hopefully you enjoyed a nice weekend. Wherever you wore across America here in the northeast we went from having a night in thirty degree weather to a beautiful Sunday here in the sixty so we can't figure out what we want to do with the weather out west. I've heard that you guys have moved onto a summer skipped skipped spring. And you're going right to the air conditioning. Hopefully you're out there staying safe and enjoying yourself once again. We want to thank all the healthcare workers. Emergency workers out there continuing to allow us to move on as best. We can but the latest proposal with the owners eighty game season starting in July teams playing in their home ballparks as much as possible and expanded playoffs too to seven teams. It's becoming official guys. They're going to propose this. We touched on it. Our sources say they're a little pessimistic on it but there could be one. Hold up that. We're going to discuss in much more detail but right now we're going to pause for word from one of our sponsors as well as one of our sister shows here within the MC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin Mahalick as always I appreciate you guys listening. Stick with us here. We'll be right back. You really can't underestimate the importance of having the right creative work for your brand or product whether it's a logo a website a book cover for an ABC campaign. You really need quality designed to make that big difference pop and deliver your overall engagement and success in a competitive market. Where design crowd comes in design? Cloud has over seven hundred and fifty thousand designers from Sydney to San Francisco. Ready to help you with awesome creative ideas. They make crowdsourcing work for you. 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That's designed crowd dot com forward slash health and wellness where entering that Promo Code Health and wellness. This is your ultimate stop for everything sports the Golden State media concepts or should I say more from the NFL MLB the NBA MMA. It's all in here. Golden state media concepts sports podcast. Listen hello and welcome back to the baseball guest brought to you by the G. S. MC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin Mahalick as always I appreciate you guys listening out there. If you're new to the PODCAST WELCOME. The family is ever growing. We appreciate your ears. We appreciate you listening. If you're listening has been around for a few months now since I've joined the podcast as well we love you out there too and again. I appreciate everything you guys are doing to help. Grow the PODCAST. We'll continue our homework for the week. Where I ask you guys to share the podcast with at least one family member or friend moving forward. Who who's a fan of baseball? Say Hey check this out. Cavalcade you up to date on everything going on. We're also working through the best team in major league. Baseball history will do the National League playoffs coming up here and segments th reinforced. So that'd be a lot of fun but wrapping up the first segment. We talked about the proposal for Major League Baseball. That's being sent over to the Players Association. It's expected to pass in the ownership approval process. Eighty Games playing in home stadiums as least amount of travel as possible which is all finding Dandy and the players are agreement with however in the most recent days there's been more and more reports that ownership could ask the players to take an pay-cut above and beyond what they've already agreed upon and to quote one of these reports here according to the athletics. Evan Dray Lich sorry. Edify mispronounced to your last name their apologies. But Evan wrote quote at this point. It appears inevitable that the league will ask players to reduce their salaries. Further teams have always formulated their payrolls in part based on the gate receipts which helps them to project their revenues within a certain range. If we end up plane and playing in front of full fans for eighty two games it makes total sense that we would play players. Full salaries said one industry executive. If you're in the more extreme where we have to play empty everywhere. That's half the revenue that would have come in. That's not coming in anymore. We weren't equipped or budgeting to pay full salaries for that and quote end of article. So it It's basically the feeling is within the industry that these owners are going to ask the players to take a percentage now of their salaries so for those of you who who aren't up to date on exactly what's going on the the easiest way to break it. Down is a kind of a football reference for basic math so the hundred sixty two games in baseball. Say they're sixteen games and football? You're supposed to get a million dollars a game. Well essentially here okay. So let's just use the baseball numbers. We'll do a million a game right so one hundred sixty two games you make a million a game you get one hundred and sixty two million dollar salary okay. Well the agreement now has been that they will be compensated for the amount of games plate so basically the agreement is saying. We're going to play eighty games this year. So they're past agreement has said that person will make eighty million dollars. Instead of one hundred and sixty two million dollars they will receive their full salary for the amount of games played now. The owners are pushing back even further because they had anticipated possibly having people in the seats possibly having more revenue this is continuing to impact the economy in a way that they did not project and now they're basically saying hey players. This number has not been released but just again for easy math whether it's seventy five percent or fifty percent let's just say it's fifty percent so that person who would have made one hundred and sixty two million dollars in one hundred and sixty two games now is going to make eighty million dollars in eighty games. Well now they're going to make forty million dollars in eighty games because ownership wants them to take half the revenue for the Games. They're playing in the. Nf are the MLB came out and said that compensation has already been agreed upon in this negotiation and conversation is over and it was a very aggressive stern statement. Basically saying that the players have already agreed compensation. And if they want to renegotiate this well we'll take it as a breach of contract a lack of trust whatever you WANNA call it legally within the court of law but more or less. They're not having that conversation. Well then the media out there reporters. Everybody says okay. Well what would the next move for ownership they go to the players saying? Hey we want to take fifty percent of your revenue because now we're getting half of the income from ticket sales. The players say no. We're not going to have this discussion. We've already had this conversation. It's not gonNA happen. Well then ownership comes back and says okay. Well then. We're not having any games at all. We're not GONNA pay you at all. We're essentially going to have a lockout and we're not GONNA have baseball this year or again until we can have fans so the player then goes from potentially making eighty million to now. His options are forty million or zero dollars to play or they're gonNA play with Minor League replacement players. They're not going to get there. They shut down the season. And just say the virus rights out. Twenty twenty go with the agreed upon service. Time agreement that they've had and people would just move on but within the moment the owners are in power and the other conversation is the owners have more sources within the media they're able to portray the players paint a certain light that they wanNA put on them. Basically people are saying they could make him out to be the villains that the players aren't willing to play even though they're able to and they're not safe because they want more money so so and so making millions of dollars is complaining even though you know. Local individuals are losing their jobs. Not having any money difficulty paying bills and it puts them in a negative light. Well if you're the players you're saying we've agreed upon something now you're going behind your word and they're going to need to work with the media a little bit better. They're going to have to use their sources within the media to paint the owners almost in a negative light here basically saying you as fans deserve baseball. We want to give it to you. We want to give you a great product in the owners are saying. Hey half or nothing is what we're willing to give you and that's not fair because these are billionaire owners and if they're losing millions of dollars yes it's a negative in their pocket but they have millions of dollars to lose casual fans out here these players again. They don't have this type of money to even lose their. They've never seen a hundred million dollars. Oh my God. He took one hundred million dollar off. Well that means he's got one hundred million dollars to lose. It's not like they're going to go broke and be homeless without this year. So I know that's an extreme reference there but it's one of those things where the players are going to need to work with the media to discuss why they don't want to have these conversations while the ownership and the powerful people that are behind that are going to work with the executives at some of the media outlets to paint a certain light once again and we could be headed for a battle here that nobody was really prepared for and once again. It's going to look extremely bad because we're trying to get baseball back or trying to have the economy we've had individuals even in the White House discuss about how this nation needs baseball. It needs a release at the end of the night after work. Come home watch the ballgame. Just kind of the sounds of summer even if quarantine still a thing and you can't go out you can at least kind of gather around and have something to talk about all throughout the country. It's the soundtrack you know that you listen to at night when you're outside watching it on the deck whatever. It may be and to put the players saying they're greedy. They want all their money. And they're not GONNA pay for they're not gonNA play for half a million instead of a million and making them look ugly and then on the other side ownership. They're going to be like well. We're losing money and individuals aren't going to care because they're losing their jobs and their having difficulties. It's just not a good look. I think either party wants to be having right now when the flip side and the opportunity is so great that if you're able to put a product out there I right now if you're able to do it safely if you're able to be on television when there's not much else in the sports world happening if you're able to to get more fans and get more eyeballs on your game. The potential is unlimited. Both in America but internationally you see it now with. Espn playing the Korean Baseball Professional League and putting those games on and I myself watching some of them because humans just people not even Americans are clamoring for for live sports and something to watch and if you have the ability to put a product on the field and you are not doing that because of financial conversations. It's going to be a terrible look. You could lose more fans than you could possibly gain the risk reward. There is nowhere near worth it for either party. And that's where I'll be curious to follow along who plays the power play and for how long because even if you do ultimately ended up winning if you don't look good during the outcome I'm not going to go to the phillies because the phillies one and they screwed over there players. That's my opinion. So you'RE GONNA YOU'RE GONNA lose alienate some fans if you have a battle coming here even if it's in the media heck it'll give me something to talk about. It will make my job a little bit easier. I'll appreciate it here at the baseball podcast within the GMC podcast network but not going to be a good look for for anybody involved specially when football basketball and hockey are trying to figure it out if they're able to get over that home and get sports out there and you are not due to financials man. I. I don't want that to happen to baseball. I don't think that's something they may be able to bounce back from but definitely something to keep an eye on here. Moving forward over the next week or so as the proposal should be approved from ownership and thus be presented to the players association within the next week but that wraps up the second segment of the baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin Hollick as always I appreciate you guys listening. We're going to pause right now for a word from one of our sponsors one of our sisters shows. Then we're going to get into the best team in Major League baseball history. 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I'm way off and where I'm not wrapping up the first two segments we talked about how a potential battle between Major League Baseball and the Players Association is coming due to compensation in the latest on the report for the back to play baseball coming back here but in this segment. We're discussing the National League. We've done every division talking about the best of the best when it comes to each franchise who is their top team. And where would they rank ultimately within the division with everybody else? Well now. We're now. We're into the conferences. We're into the PENANCE here. We're going to start in the National League. I'm GonNa give you guys a brief review on all the teams and then I'm GonNa let you know ultimately where I have them seeded here in the third segment and then in the fourth segment. We're going to run through the playoffs. I'm GonNa let you know who ultimately is going to be representing the National League when it comes to the best of the best ten slowly. You'RE GONNA find out who the best team ever is but starting off in the National League East One through five. Let's go let's go bottom to top. Let's not give it give it away right away. So number five the two thousand and nineteen Washington nationals number. Four two thousand and three MARLINS number three nine thousand nine hundred five braves number two the one thousand nine hundred phillies and number one. The nineteen eighty six mets. It's it's equality division people. Forget that the mets one hundred eight games during one thousand nine hundred eighty six and obviously winning that division. They're going to be in the playoffs. So your other two potential teams there as you go down you guys know the drill go into the National League central fifth ranked team the one thousand nine hundred. Eighty two brewers the fourth ranked team the nineteen eighty two cardinals once again they met in the World Series. The best edition of each ballclub. They're kind of ridiculous but number. Three's the twenty sixteen Chicago cubs number two nineteen seventy-one pirates and number one thousand nine hundred seventy six reds ultimately winning the national league central the NFL West. This breaks down number five two thousand seven Colorado rockies they fell short ultimately did not win the world series the nineteen ninety eight padres. They had the same fate. But then three through one that twenty twelve San Francisco giants the nineteen eighty-eight dodgers in the two thousand and one diamondbacks. Sin If you're disagreeing with me already based on those standings head back to the backlogged episodes you can listen as to why. I ranked everybody where they were. If you're a new listener scroll down. You can check out those feeds. It'll tell you in the title which divisions were doing. So you'll get some reasoning behind these standings here but Now is the tough exercise ranking the playoff standings. And here's the deal. I decided we're going to go seven teams deep for the play offs. We're GONNA use the twenty twenty real life version of the proposal to return Major League baseball with the expanded playoffs using the the. Nfl formula was seventeen. So we're going to have one by and then three quote unquote divisions and Games here. So you have the nine hundred and eighty six mets the nineteen seventy six reds and the two thousand and one diamondbacks. Those are division champions. Those are numbers one through three pretty straightforward. While out of those three number three. I put the one thousand nine hundred eighty six mets. Yes probably a little bit of homer in me there You know the mets. Come on the mets. I have them at number three just because they always screw it up. They got really lucky. Eighty six but since then not a ton of luck and then number two. I have the two thousand one diamondbacks so a little. Bit of recent bias. They're putting them at number. Two head of the eighty six mets and then number one that leaves the one thousand nine hundred seventy six retz that puts them having a having a buy in the best team during the regular season in the National League. So you got the reds who have a by the number two team the two thousand and one diamondbacks number three eighty six mets and now we're talking wildcards now. We have four wildcard teams. So in order and I'll relate this to their match-ups coming up here at the end of the segment but in order here. Standard first wildcard matchup for through five. I have the one thousand nine hundred phillies. I have the second place team in the NFL. East being the number one wildcard team. Reason is I think they're very close. During the regular season which means the phillies had a great year as well and the seventy six reds and the two thousand and one diamondbacks are a little bit further out in front in their respective divisions so at number four the one thousand nine hundred Phillies Sasso had to get my local flavor in there. We're talking playoffs. Best to the best of course fight and fills led by Mike Schmidt in one thousand nine hundred eighty are GonNa make the dance at number five one thousand nine hundred eighty dodgers the second place team in the NFL west. The two thousand and one diamondbacks win that division. Will the dodgers real solid rock ballclub? They're going to make the playoffs as well as the number two team out of the West twelve. This is where it gets interesting. So we've taken the two seat in the West and the two seat in the East Coast. Means the next potential person is the three seed in the east the ninety five braves the three seed in the West. The twenty twelve giants were the two seed in the central the seventy-one pirates because the twenty sixteen cubs are below them which means the by the pirates. Were being if that was the potential. Well the number six. I'm going one thousand nine hundred ninety five braves. I'm putting a third team from the NFL East into the playoffs here and again. It goes back to the reasoning. That the eighty six mets. I don't think are going to be that far ahead of these other teams. I think they could win. The division by two games over the phillies the PHILLIES are three games. Better than the braves and ultimately the top three teams are separated by as little as five games which puts them as the six seed facing off against those three seed mets. So we're going to get the braves mets. I'll breakdown the matchups heading into the next segment here. So the last team in the playoffs once again we have the nineteen seventy-one pirates who just beat out the twenty sixteen cubs so there are eliminated or the twenty twelve San Francisco. Giants the seventy one. Pirates Roberto Clemente Willie Stargell or the twenty twelve giants. Buster Posey Madison Bumgarner. I'm going twenty. Twelve oaks the San Francisco giants out there in the bay area. Make the postseason the best version of the three time champion giants from Twenty Ten to twenty fourteen or twelve to sixteen. I don't even remember because I tried to forget as Philly's fan as much as I can. The last ten years of existence but that twenty twelve team. I think would be just a game or two better than the seventy one pirates. I also think this is due to the division because with the seventy six reds being the top seed. I think they win. That division. By a ton of games in the seventy-one pirates sixteen cubs in eighty. Two cardinals are all very close that they beat each other up in the reds win that division by ten fifteen games which means you're east very very competitive and your west very very competitive ultimately each get to wildcard teams into this new seven team setup. Here best team in. History National League playoff edition number one seed and a by nineteen seventy six RETZ. The big red machine seventy six. That leaves your playoff matchups which will break down and go through here in the next segment as number two the two thousand and one diamondbacks versus number seven the two thousand and twelve San Francisco giants number three nine thousand nine hundred eighty six mets versus number six nineteen ninety-five braves and then last number four nine thousand nine hundred eighty phillies versus the nineteen. Eighty-eight dodgers sin. I know you guys are going to disagree with me. We had a Yinzer come in on the podcast in the comments. I'm sure he's upset right now. Listening to this leaving the nineteen seventy-one pirates out of playoffs for the best team in major league history. So if you disagree if you rearrange the standings here reach out to me hit me up on Social Media Kevin Mahalick. Baseball podcast page go to twitter. Gsm See Baseball is on there as well. Let us know. Hit US UP IN THE REVIEW. The ratings where we disagree but in this next segment we're going to discuss and go through ultimately predict the playoffs. Saw give you guys a breakdown in the first round then getting into divisional round in the conference championship and ultimately who's going to represent the National League in the Best Team in Major League baseball history. That wraps up the third segment here. I'm your host Kevin Molik as always I appreciate everybody listening. Stay home stay safe out there. Do what you can to flatten the curve. That way we can get baseball back as soon as possible. Which is what we all want and right now we're going to pause for word from one of our sponsors one of our sister shows and when we come back we're talking. National League playoffs. Hang around want to know the latest and soccer that listen to the golden state media concepts soccer podcast from. Ls Is the world's Premier Li. We've got you covered the latest update the hottest matches news on the League's top players. It's the golden state media concept soccer. Podcasts listen Hello and welcome back to the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host. Give Him all like this. Is Episode Number One? Eighty seven of the baseball podcast. Today's episode has been loaded for you guys a lot of quality content thus far and honestly this next segment is my most enjoyable segment. I've Oh man. This exercise I did was a lot of fun. I know you guys have already disagreed on. Who should make the playoffs already? So you probably going to disagree on whose advancing in the postseason. But if you have a comment or an opinion let me know head to facebook. Instagram twitter. Send me a message. We'll talk about it next episode ultimately where the fans think everybody would finish but Right now recap and once again. Seventy six reds are getting a by next up in the two verses seven matchup the two thousand and one diamondbacks versus the giants and I have these as a best of five is what I went with. Five seven seven is where I think Major League Baseball. You know what went if ultimately they were doing this style of breakdown and high. Oh God let's look at the rotations here. Which I wrote down for you in game one your matchup would-be Curt Schilling versus Matt. Cain game too. We got Randy Johnson Madison Bumgarner and then game three Albie Lopez for the diamondbacks and Ryan Vogelsang for the giants and again in regards to time we got to run through the postseason and just about a little under fifteen minutes here so I took the diamondbacks and five discussing looking at that pitching rotation knowing what the diamondbacks did in two thousand and one where schilling and Johnson went on three days rest every dime and how successful they were doing it. Just looking at the pitching matchup going. Schilling Johnson Albie Lopez Schilling Johnson. I think the giants would've went came. Bumgarner Vogel Son. And I don't think cain would have come back and game four but then you know you don't WanNa waste Bumgarner so you have him going game five. So that's the conversation and that's where I went diamondbacks and five because I think let's see schilling gets the first to schilling and Johnson. The giants get the next to. I think they get schilling on short rest but then Randy Johnson. I think it's the best of Madison Bumgarner in game. Five and ultimately the diamondbacks move on. I just Luiz Gonzalez. The year he had whether he was on royds or not the year he had fifty seven hundred forty. I think it was. Let me get a confirmation here. One forty two I think. They just outlast the San Francisco giants but the giants again their playoff success. Just remembering that is tough tough to go against here. Oh one giants ultimately schilling and Johnson and Luiz Gonzalez. Win that one in five moving on here. Number three the eighty-six mets versus number six ninety five braves game one. Dwight gooden versus Greg Maddux game to Ron Darling versus Glavin Game. Three vs smoltz and then so on and so forth where. I sound the alarm. I took the upset and this one. I took the ninety five braves. I think the eighty-six mets like I said. Over the course of one hundred and sixty to win in one hundred eight they would win that division or the phillies over the braves finishing in third but I just think the rotation the braves had what they go with in a short series gets the best. The Best of the mets. I think GOSH OVER ONE. Sixty two the mets are ahead of them but I think in a short series on taking the ninety five braves Maddox Glavin smoltz the combination of two of the three of them coming down on the back side. We GOT UPSET. Braves and five nineteen ninety-five braves moving on They win a playoff series next step. We've got the four five eighty phillies versus the eighty-eight dodgers game one Steve Carlton Versus Orel Hershiser. Ultimately I think Steve Carlton Wins That match up to Phillies Dick ruthven versus Tim leary. The phillies are up to nothing. There Tim Belcher gets the win in game three for the dodgers against Larry Christiansen of the phillies. But then I think Steve Carlton comes back again. On short rest and wins I of the phillies and four. This is the only one I don't have going the distance. All you dodgers fans out there talking about that in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight team winning the world series. That's why I have them in the playoffs. And the best version of the dodgers. I don't even think it's their best team. But it was their most successful and I think they're run in the first round of the playoffs so diamondbacks and braves and five in an upset and the phillies in four. Which then we move onto the divisional round after the wildcard matchup and they they reseed in this format of Major League Baseball sometimes it can be a bracket formation from this point but I like the reseed conversation going from one to the lowest seed. Well that puts the nineteen seventy-six red's coming off a bye in the first round against these six seed ninety five braves. This is where we got the big red machine offense going against that pitching staff of the braves pitching rotation for the reds Gary Nolan Against Greg. Maddux Pat Zachary against Tom. Glavin then Fred. Norman against John smoltz going seven games here. The Best of seven personally. I think this one would go the distance. I really thought about taking the braves and writing that pitching staff. Because when they're at the top of their game they could win this entire tournament but just knowing the braves in the nineties the amount of success that they had in that era and then the amount of lack of success that they had in the post season. I just can't pull the trigger on the braves continuing to advance. I'M GONNA give it to the big red machine reds in seven. They beat the ninety five braves in a long series ultimately offensively. I think they are able to get past the Atlanta braves pitching staff over seven games eventually breaking them down the legs of Pete Rose Tony Perez Johnny Bench Joe Morgan just over the course of Ken Griffey senior as well just getting to Atlanta and eventually the bullpen over the course of seven game so the reds move on to the next we got the two seed the two thousand and one diamondbacks versus the nineteen eighty phillies game one curt schilling versus Steve Carlton. I'm going Steve Carlton again the Phillies get out to a one nothing lead. I know what you're thinking out there but not so fast my friends to to quote Corso game to Randy Johnson against ruthven going Randy Johnson and then game three Lopez versus Christian Sin. I give the advantage once again to the diamondbacks in that game as well and then in four five six and seven Arizona continues the model which they They actually did in two thousand and one which is where games four five six seven or pretty much started by schilling and Johnson and or is a combination of the two on their bullpen day. Instead of throwing bullpens throw it live in the game. Ultimately I think the diamondbacks win this when this matchup in six games I think Carlton Wins. The game possibly to ends up beating Johnson and game six or excuse me in game five on normal rest when shillings go under Johnson and they ultimately make it go six but the two thousand and one diamondbacks advanced to face the one thousand nine hundred seventy six read so after all of that it comes down to the number one versus the number two. There was a reason. These two teams are at the top of their divisions there was a reason the reds where the one seed diamondbacks the two seed the reds division. A little bit easier therefore they had that first round by the diamondbacks have gone almost the distance in the first two rounds but it comes down to a best of seven for the NFL game one. You Got Nolan versus Schilling. Let's go schilling in that one game one game. Two Zachary versus Johnson. Now you know what game one goes to the reds game to to the diamondbacks won one game. Three is Norman. Lopez were given that one to Cincinnati as well but gained four. You got goal going for Cincinnati trying to fill it in Randy Dr Excuse me curt schilling coming back on short rest so they go to to to game five. Nolan normal risk versus Randy Johnson. On short rest here. Let's see we're going with the reds in game five to dig a three two lead. However in game six the combination of Curt Schilling Randy Johnson gets the W. But ultimately game seven a combination of Nolan Zachary and the diamondbacks run out a pitching on their side. So the nineteen seventy-six reds. Are Your National League champions? In the best of the best series they finished one hundred and two and sixty one thousand nine hundred seventy six. They were I in the N. L. West they swept the Philadelphia phillies three nothing in the NFL championship series. They swept the New York Yankees in one thousand. Nine hundred seventy six to win the world series sweep in the entirety of the postseason. Not the same when it comes to the best of the best as they were put to the brink to game seven first round by pushed a seven by the ninety five braves and pushed to seven by the Owen diamondbacks but ultimately the big red machine comes through and is going to represent the National League. So hopefully you guys enjoyed that. I had a lot of fun going through that segment the past month or so coming up on Wednesday's episode. That's when we're going to get into the American League we're going to talk about in recap the standing stock about where I have them. Seated ultimately who will face the nineteen seventy six reds in the World Series? And then a week from today. We'll give you guys a champion ultimately and decide who the best team in major league. Baseball history is. Hopefully you guys are enjoying that as much as I am. I'm having a bunch of fun so let me know where you disagree within that playoff format. Who would beat? Who some of the pitching matchups would be fascinating to watch. I would love to see some of those. Even if it's in a video game ultimately who they think would win but that wraps up the fourth segment here of the GMC baseball podcast brought to you by the G- MC podcast network. I'm heroes gave Mollica always when we come back for segment five. We got an update on the major league baseball draft. We're going to talk about that. Update go through a little bit of a mock draft here in discuss ultimately when who the next grade talent may be in your organization out there so stick around. We're talking draft after this break. Get Your College football. Beck's looking to get the latest news on your favorite schools team. The Mc College football podcast is your ticket to all things college football doing us as we talk college football from the National Championship. The college rivalries the bowl game to the heisman trophy so which converts it's the best we've got you covered for the big ten as these the big twelve the PAC twelve. Acc and everything in between download the Gi Insead College football podcast on Itunes Stitcher soundcloud. Google play or anywhere you find God gaffes just tied Diaz in the in the search bar. Seuss welcome back to the baseball podcast brought to you by the GMC podcast network. I'm your host Kevin. Malik as always we've had a great show so far for you today. Talking about the latest proposal for Major League Baseball and the Players Association trying to get baseball back as soon as possible potentially as early as July. We then talked about the best team in Major League Baseball. A history talking about the National League and how the seventy six reds are ultimately going to represent the National League in the best of the best world series will find out who represents the American league in Wednesday or Thursday's episode this week but in this segment here the fifth segment of the baseball podcast. We're GONNA be talking about the major league draft. Baseball has recently come out and confirmed that the twenty twenty draft will go from forty rounds down to just five rounds as the owners continue to look to save costs in the wake of the corona pirates corona virus pandemic and fewer round said. That's the minimum amount that they could get it to their stock of ten rounds or potentially five rounds but officially here word is. We're getting down to five ramps now. There is an additional agreement that will allow teams to sign an unlimited number of undrafted players. For twenty thousand dollars. This is basically saying that The draft slots in round five through ten or five through forty in particular are granted. A certain amount of money or allotted a certain amount of money in what they typically receive. Now around six through ten. They'RE GONNA lose out on all that money and sign for twenty thousand dollars or head back to college for another year as well but that's a follow up conversation. What happens with all these college kids? We're going to get to that here. So some of the numbers though the critics who are basically saying it's ridiculous that it's only five rounds instead of ten. They're pointing out that. Eliminating around six through ten will save teams that combined twenty nine point five million dollars which is less than a million dollars per team. Now going from a million bucks to to twenty thousand. That's a lot of guys so you could sign for the same amount of money. So it's it's going to be difficult for them to justify that but there's also communication around the minor lakes reports have been and we've talked about it here on this podcast that the minor leagues aren't going to have a system in twenty twenty so the individuals who are typically drafted round six through thirty even because on the tail end of the draft. You get to the seniors in college. Who Don't have the ability to go back to play. Nc double a baseball they sign in short season williamsport. If you're a phillies fan or short season rookie. Ball of whatever franchise you guys follow out there well. Those teams aren't going to be playing anymore so major league baseball isn't going to need the players to fill out those rosters. So they're not gonNA pay people just to hang out and not be able to report or perform for the organization so there were like we don't need the bodies we don't need the routes. We're not GONNA HAVE THE TEAM SA- League Baseball team and a select few others who are going to be invited to spring training complexes to stay sharp in case of injury or expanded numbers of the roster. There's going to be a bunch of hurdles that are still going to have to be defined here as we move forward but few of this signing bonuses here about that one an agreement between the MLB and the MLB in March allow teams to delay signing bonuses with a maximum of one hundred thousand dollars to be paid within thirty days of the signing fifty percent of the remainder by July one of twenty twenty one not June July one twenty twenty one and the leftovers. July twenty twenty two so essentially they only have to pay him a little bit now and they can split up rest over the course of the next two years which will allow for your first and second round picks their money will be more spread out as well as let's see impact on the colleges of of course colleges aren't GonNa have as many individuals drafted. Therefore they're going to have people returning to the program who based on their scholarship allocation they had planned on that individual getting drafted and leaving the program. So are they going to be? Granted more scholarships or is that junior now returning senior going to maintain his scholarship but these high school senior who was offered his money as an incoming freshman will no longer have that money which means they're allowed out of their scholarship would means they are now allowed to go somewhere else and the follow and the domino effect could be huge when it gets to the draft and things like that but the long short of it five rounds they can sign as many other individuals as they want for twenty thousand dollars. If you're a college kid who in a normal year goes in round thirteen? You're making a heck of a lot more than twenty thousand so you're most likely going back to college and I think Major League Baseball's kind of pushing the buck. They're a little bit going. Yeah we really don't care what happens down there so we'll we'll we're going to do our thing but it's certainly going to be interesting coming up. In the month of June. The draft initially scheduled to be held ten through twelve. It's supposed to go off at that time. Still they're still thinking the month of June as they get back onto the field. They can do the draft as well and if they if they have the draft. Let's talk a little bit about a mock draft. We'll discuss it more coming up here as we get closer Jim specifically just talking top end talent. You know a little bit of a mock draft here. We'll go through this one based on. Mlb DOT COM by Jonathan Mayo. He went out here not too long ago number one. Pick the Detroit Tigers in the worst. They're going to go first baseman from Arizona. State Spencer Torkelsson. Let's see a first baseman. Hasn't gone number one overall since two thousand so this guy could change that pattern here recently number two the Orioles going Third Baseman outfielder Austin Martin at Vanderbilt Vanderbilt. A heck of a program puts out a ton of major league talent so I could certainly see how that works. Marlins going with ace Alesi left-handed pitcher from Texas am. This is the top arm with the top two hitters off the board. They go to SEC arm. The Kansas City Royals Emerson handcock right handed pitcher from Georgia. They went pitching heavy in twenty eighteen. But you can never have too many arms. You grow the arms and you buy the bats. I've heard multiple executives. Say as how you build a team from the inside the Blue Jays Nickens Zala Second Baseman New Mexico state. The mariners go with a right handed pitcher at a Minnesota three straight years for college arm for the Mariners as they try to get more pro. Ready guys in the rebuild. They don't WanNa wait for the high school kids to develop the Pittsburgh pirates. I High School Kid off the Board Sack. Wien an outfielder from Spruce Creek Florida could go earlier. They're saying here or he could head to UCLA. Or a Louisville. I believe it is number eight padres another high school kid. A pitcher from Oregon. They don't shy away from high school kids for the padres. That's been their history so if they go high school again. When be huge surprise the rockies re debt Merce left the Louisville next best college arm there is the arms continue to fly off. Garrett Mitchell outfielder. Ucla staying in La go to the angels from UCLA? That'd be a nice fit for Garrett out there wouldn't have to travel far. The white sox taken outfielder from Arkansas Heston Kirsch Dad. The reds are going. Jared Kelly a high school pitcher out of Texas. His name comes up in. Conversations is a top arm but a little all over the place so try to hone him in number thirteen. The giants Austin Hendrick and outfielder from West allegheny. That's in Pittsburgh out here interesting high school kid from West allegheny first round talent. I'll have to check him out locally another kid. Nick Bisco Central Bucks East Pennsylvania so to High School. Kids go in thirteen and fourteen. That's that's pretty interesting locally a lot of times you see that from the south not so much the northeast but represent. I'm going to check out these kids here in a little more detail. I wish I could watch them. Play high school right now. The phillies taken Robert Hassle out of Tennessee. Many the best pure high school hitter in the class and he could play into the back ten so that would be a long road for another highschool outfielder number one overall Mickey Monja continues to slowly make his way up to totem pole. He should be in AAA this year. But there won't be triple so It's a tough time to be Mickey Mony that's for sure the cubs go into catcher from NC state catcher. Going high in the first round certainly makes sense red SOx Garrett crotchet left handed pitcher Tennessee. We got the diamondbacks they go with Ed Howard shortstop at Amount Carl. The mets take a catcher out of. High School Tyler. Soderstrom the brewers go with Pete Crowe Armstrong and outfielder out of high school in California. The cardinals take a picture from Oklahoma. The nationals go a pitcher from Georgia as they go more college ready pitching arms there in Saint Louis in Washington the Indians catcher from Ohio State. Local kid there. It sure looks like big ten. Go INTO CLEVELAND THE TAMPA BAY RAYS SLATES MAKONI? They take a Miami Kid pitcher from that staff down there. He's got high end talent. That's why you see him at the bottom of the first round here number twenty five. The Atlanta braves take Carmen. Midland didn't ski right hander. From South Carolina he got hurt during college but lifted up in the Cape over the summer. So he's an option at the end of the round one the as take just in Fox a second baseman for Mississippi State Scott Great offensive numbers for a second basement so you typically don't see them in round one but he hits better than most second baseman The Knicks Nick Lofton shortstop from Baylor Smooth shortstop big twelve kid bottom around one number twenty eight New York Yankees Take Carson Tucker shortstop out of high school because they have top talent there in New York. They don't have to take a college kid. They can take a high school kid with big upside. Hopefully he grows into his body and then last up the dodgers with Jordan Wessberg short-staffed for Mississippi State. Looks like he may fall here at the end of round one just base to where the board goes but certainly something to keep an eye on here. Holy Heaven five rounds and not the standard forty that we've been used to as baseball fans but we'll get into the draft and a little more detail coming up here in the next couple of weeks as we get closer to the draft as they finalized when and where and how that's going to take place. We'll keep you guys updated on exactly what's going on but that wraps up this segment of the GSM see Baseball. Podcast brought to you by. Gmc podcast network. I'm your host is always Kevin Mahalick. Hopefully you enjoyed our major league. Baseball mock drafts. We're GONNA come back with our last segment here of the baseball podcast. We're talking a few tidbits jumping around. And then we're going to wrap up with the simulation chatter so stick around with us. We appreciate it here. We'll be right back. Are you looking the very best? Nfl and college football podcast then check out the GSM see football. Podcast get the latest football news. 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One of them's going to win one of them's GonNa lose but when it comes to the public eye and how you know it is being viewed by the public. They're both going to be losers so it's not going to be a good look. If ultimately they do have a battle then we continued our best of the best conversation we found out the seventy six reds are going to represent the NL in the world series for the best of the best and then we talked about the major league baseball draft and who your team is going to be drafting out there. Did you like the name that was on the list for the mock draft if not let me know who you think your team's GonNa grab who you want them to pick up. We can talk about it here on the baseball podcast but this is the sixth and final segment. We like to have some fun and on the tail end of the episode. We got a couple of quick followed by some simulation conversation to get you out of here and enjoying the rest of your Monday evening. Here on May Eleventh So let's jump right into it before we wrap up today. The MLB Corona virus antibody study has returned they've gotten the feedback and Jeff Passan from ESPN. He's reported that sixty of five thousand seven hundred and fifty four subjects. They tested and showed the presence of the antibodies so after adjusting to reflect testing accuracy. That comes at a positive test. Rate of point seven percent so less than one percent of individuals who took this test showed antibodies that would currently reflect or the understanding is that they would have had symptoms of cove in one thousand nine hundred now a lot of these people. They were a semantic. They didn't know they had it. So there are sixty individuals out there who were just like. Oh Wow I guess I did have this. But the ultimate goal of a study like this in the first one of its time was to basically determine the extent of how how large this pandemic has gone specifically in metropolitan areas. People are trying to understand within cities how much this is spread. How many as symptomatic individuals are there is almost? Everybody is almost nobody well. This was a good start for league baseball in trying to get everybody back to play. Because it's best case scenario for them. They were trying to leverage. Now they said there were not but of course they were there trying to leverage that a lot of their employees are not testing positive. Don't show antibody so they should be able to get back and perform and have major league baseball sooner than later as we've talked about with the report coming out here that in a month from the day they're hopefully going to have spring training back up and running here so really good news for Major League Baseball. That only sixty of over five thousand seven hundred people came back with these antibodies. I'm myself I'd be curious if I have them but after seeing that you know it's probably less than I thought going in. I was very very surprised to see that number. Come in under one percent. Thought we'd be in the Twenties Thirties. And even that would be Kinda but now not the case less than one percent so a positive thing there automatically when considering what they were looking for another quick hitter here. We had a shoeless Joe Jackson Baseball Card sold for four hundred ninety. Two thousand dollars. Well this card is actually from nineteen ten and a series called T to ten old mill so t to one zero old mill shoeless. Joe Jackson sold for four hundred ninety two thousand dollars recently at an auction. Man could you imagine having a baseball card? That's worth half a million dollars. That's unbelievable after one hundred ten years in the same North Carolina family. They are they are glad to help find a new proud owner said that the person in charge of the auction just incredible the condition that this thing is in a hundred years later. Just who've goodness gracious? Wow so if you have any old baseball cards out there you may WanNa go through it because baseball cards and their value. They're starting to increase again here. So if you have any old shoeless Joe's or honus Wagner's back in the day yet you may want to pull those out as money is continuing to be spent on carts and more and more that I'm even thinking yeah there it is honus Wagner t two oh six for one point three five million last year so yes you have a honus wagner you got a lot of money if you gotta shoeless Joe. You got a lot of money too. That's pretty crazy but for the final five minutes or so of today's episode. Let's jump into the simulations. Keep an update on. What's going on out there for you guys every episode so due to time here. We'll just talk about team communication. Ultimately if anybody's making a run the Yankees for straddle. Matic they are up on Tampa Bay a few games now. They're extending their lead Tampa. It's pretty much the same for baseball reference. So they're starting to determine the Al East but the AL central both teams have the Cleveland Indians at the top of the division Kansas City in Minnesota follow on one side Chicago and Minnesota follow on the other so the white sox and royals are teams that the computers are currently disagreeing with you know they have them flipped on both sides so be curious to see ultimately what happens. I'm a white sox guy more than a royal sky. We'll have to wait and see Houston and Oakland one. Two out west when it comes to straddle matic for looking at baseball reference. Oakland and Seattle Baseball Reference. Has Houston a few games out now? So they must be taken into account What happened with Houston in the off season and I certainly would have thought the same thing if we would have just went right into playing a regular season but now that we've had the issues the push back all of this stuff. I don't see Houston having any real concerns. You know maybe more hit by pitches more run so who knows ultimately but moving. Over to the National League let's see New National League East Washington and Atlanta at the top the phillies in third place at five hundred straddle matic Atlanta in Washington at the top the Phillies in fourth place for baseball reference. They finally jumped the MARLINS and they're out of the basement but ten games out of first place so the nationals and braves so the teams get love according to the computers in the National League and central they have the cubs at the top. Wow that would really surprise me. If the cubs were at the top baseball reference agrees has them actually in the basement. So they got saint. Louis Milwaukee two three. It's dramatic over here. Saint Louis at the top and then Cincinnati number two so baseball references with me with the white sox and reds being surprised teams but the cubs all over the place when it comes to the computers the NFL west La dodgers followed by the padres but the dodgers pretty much out in front and we got the dodgers baseball reference with the rockies. Coming up behind them. They don't they don't have the diamondbacks as high. That's that's okay I could agree with that Looking at some individuals here staying with Strat O Matic radius leading the League in hitting all the way down to three sixty six for strat. O Matic Oh how the mighty have fallen around four hundred. They're now down to three sixty six. The top hitter for baseball reference. Tommy Edmund Saint Louis at three seventy seven but next Guy Albee's at three sixty three so everybody coming back to Earth Blackman there. Let's see home runs seventeen for Trevor Story. Rbi's so layer with forty three Nelson Cruz up. There Harper as fourteen homers. Thirty six RB is for Strat O Matic having a good year over there offensively looking at home runs. Okay Nolan Aaron Auto leading the way for baseball reference. Trailed by Alonzo. Trout Davis Lynn Door. Everybody the standard grew. Rbi's Alvarez still at the top with forty six Taurus with thirty eight offensively continuing to lead the way. Let's look at pitching here to wrap up today's episode as we go over to the era for Strat O matic. Let's see if they still have Blake. Snell areas over one now for Blake. One point zero five kershaw continuing to deal at one five six for the dodgers Garrett Cole The New York Yankees at one seven two still having a good year for the Yankees. I liked that for Garrett Cole. Hopefully he does a simulate well to New York City in his new area but Era Dallas. Kaikal one six zero for baseball reference. That's one of the reasons why I think the white sox could could be a bounceback team signing Kaikal. He was good in Atlanta last year. I'm not sure why nobody's paid him yet. It still doesn't make any sense what's going on there. Let's see Carlos Martinez for Saint Louis. He could be a stud for them. One nine one bueller in La Portillo for the mets ultimately their strikeouts per nine g Alito for Chicago Total strikeouts shares are in Col- one too but there have some communication around the baseball reference. Strat O matic simulations. Nothing crazy going on there. They're continuing to decide between the cubs. The white sox royals what's going on there but across the board pretty standard stuff when it comes to our predictions here on the baseball podcast as well but that wraps it up for this this episode this edition of the Baseball podcast brought to you by the MC podcast network. I appreciate you guys listening as always once again shadow to all the mothers out there. Happy Mother's Day it is Monday. We are recording this Sunday night on Mother's Day so shout out to everybody hopefully had a lovely Sunday out their shout out once again. All the healthcare workers all the emergency workers grocery store workers. Everybody helping us. Continue to move forward during this pandemic but one last time. Share the podcast with one of your friends to spread the word. I appreciate each and everyone of you very very much helping us out continuing to grow the podcast continuing to allow me to do what. I love to do and talk baseball with you. Guys the lovely listeners out there but that wraps it up episode number one eighty seven. I am Kevin Mahalick. That is another addition of the baseball podcast. We'll talk to you guys on Thursday of this week. Enjoy your week stay safe. You've been listening to the Golden State media concepts baseball. Podcast part of the Golden state media concepts podcast network. You can find this show and others like it at. Www Dot M. C. podcast dot com. 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