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Meet The Mess

Outside the Lines

00:00 sec | 1 year ago

Meet The Mess

"Mets manager. Mickey Callaway stayed with stuff Lugo in the eighth inning. Callaway took exception to questions from reporter and cursed him out. Casing Vargas, reportedly has to be restrained from close knocking Healy the out. This is the mess. You've come is expected to leave the American athletic conference. This is an admission on the part of Yukon college football program in the conference. Chose is a failure know, your audience if your audience really isn't into it, then you've asked about school. I'm not going to be this was my last home game. He's so tight, he speaks when he walks. What you see change your perception of Eddie sporting events. This is outside the lines. I'm Michelle Steele. We've put a bow on the NBA season. That was plus great news for basketball fans at uconn football not so much, that's coming up, but we start today with the bizarre altercation involving the Mets and the reporter who covers them after five two three defeat to the Chicago Cubs, New York, Mets manager, Mickey Callaway cursed at a reporter and pitcher, Jason Vargas had to be held back by teammates after he threatened. The same reporter Tim Healy from Newsday. Healy said that the comment that set Calloway off was quote, see you tomorrow. Mickey the Mets have since apologized to Healy saying that, quote, the Mets sincerely regret the incident that took place with one of our beat writers following today's game in the clubhouse, we do not condone this type of behavior from any employees. The organization has reached out and apologized to this reporter and we'll have. Further discussions internally with all involved parties. All right. Let's turn to somebody who is there much beat writer for the record just into Scotto who joins us from Philadelphia now just in you were in that clubhouse yesterday in Chicago. Can you tell us what happened? Yes. So it was kind of business as usual. We had gotten finished talking with Mickey and then had gotten through kind of the scrum players starting pitcher Pete Alonzo. You know, basically businesses usual. And then while everybody was milling around in the clubhouse, Mickey Callaway came out of his office in street. Clothes look like he was about to leave for the day and Tim Healy. He has has everybody knows said, see tomorrow. Mickey and, and I was I didn't hear that initially, but I just heard Mickey say, don't be a smart a Tim and then as Mickey walked away, I heard him mouth, under his breath mother effort. And so that's obviously weird in it self. Right. But then a few minutes later when Mickey came back out. Apparently he wasn't leaving for the day, he Rican, fronted, Tim and basically said that, you know, we don't need you to tag Anais people. We don't need this in here y'all. Biota and Tim. Meanwhile was looking pretty confused and somewhere in the middle of all that Jason Vargas jumped in because he thought Tim was gesturing at him which I later talked to him, and he said that he thought maybe it was just the hand motion, but he had seen Jason Vargas staring at him. So he kind of motioned over like, you know, it seems like you have something to say and Jason Vargas said, don't f in gesture at me. So then a couple of minutes later things kind of heat up. And Mickey says to get this mother effort outta here. And Tim is just kind of confused shell shock doesn't know what he did, and eventually Jason Vargas says yells, all knock you the F out, bro. And then a few seconds after that or kind of a few moments after that Jason Vargas actually took steps at Tim Healy, and had to be restrained by Mets public relations person Ethan Wilson as well as Noah Syndergaard and Carlos Gomez. So that's kind of win. It, it took a turn their luck. Phili- there were a couple of clubhouse couches that, that were inbetween Tim Healy, and Jason Vargas. But, but then. Yeah. And then Jason Vargas kept yelling for, for them to kick Healy out as, as well as Mickey Callaway. And it was kind of kind of out of nowhere saying you were in I witnessed to all of this, you know, from everything that we know about Tim Healy. And by the way, I wanted to mention that we did reach out to him. He was unavailable for this segment, but could those question from everything we know about Healy's very professional could anything he said, be perceived as like sarcastic or inappropriate, and any way by Calloway, or any other member of the Mets organization. No, I don't think so, especially not yesterday. Do you think Tim is very good at his job in the way that he is able to ask the tough questions in a well mannered way? So, as you know, as not to come off as snarky or sarcastic, but just to ask, them, and just to, to get to get the answers to the questions we need to know yesterday I will say that Mickey Callaway was a little bit irked at everybody asking about, you know why he would not use Edwin for five outs the Mets head held firm on that. And when one reporter Tim Healy as y you know, if the Mets should be malleable to their plan to only use DS for four outs. Mickey Callaway responded by saying, Bruce bonded by saying, oh, because you think we should, so he was already irked Justin to Scott now with the record and I witnessed yesterday's bizarre. I don't even know if I should call it an altercation at this point, but certainly bizarre statements from Mickey Callaway. And actions from Jason Vargas. Thanks so much for joining us. Justin. Let's move on now to ESPN's baseball analyst, Doug Glanville, who joins us from Chicago just piggy backing off what we just heard Doug. You're a former player. What do you make of that situation? When you hear what happened last night in the Mets clubhouse. Clearly a loss of control and talk about leadership and in terms of how you're trying to engage the media, which is kind of part of the baseball family, you recognize that as a beat writer in particular, you're covering the team day in day out, and I have to imagine there's a lot more context behind the emotions other than what was transpired in that particular moment in the locker room. I mean, there's comments over years and articles and baseball players are notorious for having grudges and long memories. So, you know, someone could write an article about five years ago, and it could also explode into something in present time, and it may seem petty but because of those day to day interactions, and the coverage and the depth of coverage there's, there's memory lines that connect the dots that are beyond sort of what happened in that moment that being said, doesn't excuse the reaction, the volunteer it the threats, the sort of love. Reaction. That's really inappropriate of that relationship. And I'm sure the Mets are trying to get the ship back righted, but there needs to be a much greater communication between the media now and the team because that is an important relationship to maintain. Yeah. We are expecting officials from the Mets to address the media about what happened yesterday. And as far as we know Calloway is still on the job, and we'll manage the team going forward. But unless something changes now, let's switch gears a little bit because I know that you wrote a piece recently addressing some of the things that we've been seeing and major league baseball stadiums fans being hit by balls at games. I know that, that happened. In fact, at a dodgers game on Sunday. What do you think? What role do you think players can play here as it relates to getting more netting on the field? Very significant role. You think of the, the Riady as a player that throughout your career, you're horrified at anytime of foul balls at in the stands. And this is whether you're hitting in the field, you've recognized the velocities, especially today that are coming off the bat, these baseball's or dangerous objects. And most of the time you're just hoping for the best because there's so many different times, line drives or hit into the stands that just by luck just misses somebody some players are well aware of it. And I think it's reached a sort of tipping point now with album Amore more junior with the cubs and his reaction that sums up the fear that all players have. And you think of it this context I take my son or daughter to a game. I bring my glove, but I don't bring up because I need another baseball. I bring it because of safety. And if I'm sitting close by I try to move because I don't want to be over the dugout. I know they're premium seats on. I know that sounds fantastic. But they're also in a high risk dangerous area. I prefer to sit behind the net. And that's what major league experience playing a solid center field, but I know it's not just about being an ability to catch the ball. It's also about all the screens that are set by fans that are reaching in front of you. The popcorn guy whatever it is. You can't see that well, and I know the Rick as that happened. It's not enough to just be able to catch a baseball. You've recognized you need more help, and that's where the netting comes in. So the players understand that to their core, and can be strong voices on making sure this change is not something that, that is sort of short lived or short chains. It's very important and kind of just, I guess, or no. On this last question here. I know that Jeremy's shop sat down with rob Manfred recently who said that different configurations and different. Ballparks may hinder the league's ability to put netting up into make those rules, kind of. Mandatory every stadium. Do you think that argument holds water? I figured hold some water. Because if you're in Oakland, for example, there's a huge foul territory. So the different safety measure, elite should step in and make a minimum standard that is creates the maximum safety and the teams have to amend an adopted through to their environment and their circumstance. But they have to create that baseline right away that Glanville joining us from Chicago. Thanks so much, Doug, or I'm so thank you back to twin shoots. No, he couldn't get off. Now. Down. In the head. Lillard ways three. Get it. The NBA season is in the rear view mirror, but the NBA awards are not there tonight. And there's no one better to look back at the season that started and ended with Kawhi having the last laugh than rob Perez, aka worldwide wab, rob. I want to get your MVP pick at some point in this interview at the end of it probably, but you actually mention that QNA with less shall I kind of told the story of the season of other than being hilarious. What makes you say that? Well, it's poetic that co I ended up getting the I laugh of the season in the last laugh of the season. And when he did that very first press conference in Toronto, he was s token, you tell us a little bit about yourself in little did, we know we knew nothing about why we thought we knew everything about him that he was just this quiet guy. But no, he told us he loves the game of basketball. He's a fun guy. But most importantly, at the end, he said you're going to have to ask me, more questions to get to know me in that, right? There was the script for the entire season because we didn't know anything about Kawai, and we didn't know how any way that this season was going to end the way it did, rob one of my favorite parts of the NBA season was co is extremely literal answers to every question kind of no matter what it was one of the many memorable or shall I say, memorable moments to the NBA this year? I was in Toronto for quite a while in the playoffs that that game seven winner. That co I had was my number one. Moment. I think of the entire NBA season, but what were some of your favorite visuals from this season? Well the game seven four balance on the rim is going to go down as one of the biggest. What if Sinn NBA history if that doesn't go into Philadelphia win the series, does Milwaukee or Philly and facing Golden State. That's Kevin Durant. Get injured that right there is going to be something we talk about for the next decade. But if we're gonna talk about memorable NBA moments, we have to remember that there's as much off the court as there is on the court. So for me, I'm always watching things when Anthony Davis decides to wear that's all folks shirt was final game as a New Orleans pelican. And then he has the audacity to deny that he didn't pick that himself that it was something in the closet that was there hanging for him. And while that may be true when we see Alvin gentry just recently at zions first community event respond to it by saying that they got a whole folks in response to the amount of picks they got back for Anthony Davis. This is what makes the NBA the NBA and we can go down. The list here, Michelle between the warriors singing in the locker room to Fergie, LeBron Wade's alleyoop at the all star game. Very similar to that, pass the famous icon ick photo from the Miami Heat, days, you have Jeremy lambs buzzer beater with the Charlotte Hornets, which flies completely under the radar throws up a, a miracle hail Mary from half court to keep their season alive. I know they ultimately didn't end up making the playoffs but this right here we'll go down is Gordon Hayward Butler moment, if it went in this was their playoff situation, and I could go on forever. Honestly, but we do have to remember that it is off the court and social media, and the NBA and the drama that makes the NBA this reality show that makes it so special hashtag this league right? Yeah. There's a lot about it. Okay. Last question here as crazy as it is, it is June twenty-fourth already the regular season ended April tenth. But we do not know the regular season. MVP. P will finally learn tonight. So freak or beard, you know, who do you like where which way you lean in here for MVP MVP? Certainly like the tip my hat to James harden, to, to show up the way that he did this season after winning the MVP. He could've just went into coast mode, and made the playoffs and did his thing, but it's going to go to youngest tonight and the reason for that is all the historic achievements that James harden has whether you match Wilt Chamberlain on the court or off the court, it's an impressive achievement but Janas antenna Kubo was so good at defense this year that he might walk out of the award ceremony tonight with the MVP end defensive player of the year. So for all those advanced analytics and statistics and box scores and highlights, you name it Janas went step for step with Hardin, and he did it at the other end to basketball's a two-way sport in Janas prove this year that he's certainly the best at it. Well, we'll see what happens tonight. The suspense has been building for few weeks here in Yannis case but for the regular season a couple of months, rob Perez. Thanks so much. Up next Yukon left the big east. Now it looks like they are returning to their roots. Why? That means Randy edsels program faces deep uncertainty in the future. We're going to break down coming up. Outside. The lines is brought to you by Oscar. Mayer when you start with a better hot dog, you can do no raw. All right in today's block in big time. College sports is almost always football that carries the day, not at uconn where the big east is expected to welcome the school back into the fold after a six year stint in the sprawling American athletic conference. So while basketball fans can look forward to match ups with Villanova and Georgetown, and some other traditional rivals as early as twenty twenty season. We asked the question where does that leave Randy Edsel and the football program, so for that we turn to Dan Orlovsky, he's yukons greatest quarterback? I hope you're okay with me saying that, Dan, because it's true. But Dan, you know is the real story here that you is kind of waving the white flag so to speak on football. And with that any aspirations of being in a power five conference. Oh surely, yeah. In part of me understands it, I kind of look at it like this, like they just decided to back a certain horse and you mentioned it more often than not, it's football that drives the national recognition and retinue in name branding, but basketball, does it as well. I really think that the school had to sit back and say, which one did they believe that they backed either basketball or football totally backed it could bring the school back to kind of national recognition and generate revenue, and they chose basketball and football, just has to take its backseat. It's a sad day for people who were part of this program and building it up. But they certainly chose basketball part of me understands it the emotional part of me wishes there was a different alternative. You say that part of you understands it. So leaving the football part of that aside and we'll come back to that. But over all, do you think this is good for you? Con. That people aren't going to like to hear this, but I do Danny Hurley the pressure goes to him their new basketball coach because the reality is this, if he can recruit, and he can develop and he can get back to winning on a national stage in this program gets back to being in the national championship conversation, people are going to look back and say, this was a win. This was a good move for the school because again, that goes back to bringing bringing in money and the national branding debt yukons kind of been known for, and that's the truth is, if he can win, and he can handle that then everyone's going gonna look back and say, this was a good move overall for the school, Dan, I know that you played golf actually recently with Edsall you obviously maintain very close ties with the program. How do you think internally, they deal with some of the challenges that are going to come up with maybe going independent? First of all, they've got great leadership in their head coach Randy who live played four back when he kind of built it up originally. And like you had mentioned saw last week and played with last week. But there's got to be really clear understanding with recruiting us, if we're they go whatever conference or independent. What can they tell these kids when they sit down in their livery living-rooms of who they're going to be playing and what they platform that will be playing on is because I know when he recruited me and we about to join the big east, it was, we're going to be playing Miami in Virginia Tech in Pittsburgh and Syracuse and West Virginia on ESPN. And so that mattered to me as a kid. So that's the big thing is what's the division right now for them recruiting five years from now because we all know, realignments going to happen at some point, what's division five years, or ten years down the road for football and football program really for the recruitment aspect. But if they can have somewhat of a kind of a clear plan. They've got great leadership with rain. So. But a lot is left to be figured out what they're going to be up next football season. Absolutely. He's going to have to sell recruits on that vision, Dan, or love skiing. Thanks so much for joining us. You got. All right. Coming up. It is meet the mess with the New York Mets. Here's why you shouldn't be surprised by Micky, Calloway's Alpers yesterday. Sportscenter six eastern after PTI with L Dunkin and Keith Olbermann. The lab, the latest NBA news, plus a college World Series, final game one preview from Omaha and he breakdown of the US Spain magin the women's World Cup. Knockout round sportscenter after PTI on ESPN and the ESPN app. Guys. This is the first time I'm hosting outside the lines. Truth be told I wasn't sure I was going to do a short commentary at the end of the show, and then the Mets happened like, George Costanza wearing Babe Ruth uniform in tempt to get fired by the Yankees, Mets manager Mickey Callaway appears to be doing his level, best to make it as difficult as possible on ownership not to fire him. Then, again, the altercation with a reporter fits in the grand tradition of self inflicted to boggles embarrassments that have filled the back pages of New York, tabloids, going back to the previous century now, whether it's Keith Hernandez, and Darryl Strawberry coming to blows on picture day in one thousand nine hundred nine or contracts. So onerous, the entire sports world tips, their cap to the Mets once every summer on what's known as Bobby Bonia day, which we will unbelievably keep doing until twenty thirty five or mister met giving fans the middle finger, by the way, I should mention here. It's not really as middle finger. He was born with only four digits anyway. Remember Bobby Valentine? Showing up in disguise in the dugout actually, hold up for a second. I give Bobby credit for that one because he was just trying to win a game. Okay. And finally, this is nowhere near an exhaustive list. But Bret Saberhagen once literally sprayed bleach on reporters in one thousand nine hundred ninety three so as terrible as it was for the Newsday reporter, are we really surprised? We'll see if they're disciplinary moves made against Calloway. But if you see him walking around and, oh, I don't know, Tom Seaver uniform. You'll know why after all history, does tend to repeat itself, especially for the New York Mets. And that's it for me and fell live is coming up next.

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BONUS: Midseason Q&A

The Solid Verbal: Living College Football

1:02:48 hr | 2 years ago

BONUS: Midseason Q&A

"The. Welcome to the solid verbal. For me. I'm a man on forty. I've heard so many players. They why wanna be happy. You want to be happy for day eight of state. Tie. Walking back to the solid verbal boys girls. My name is Tai neck over there is Dan Rubenstein. Yeah, this is a bonus verbal that got tonight. It's Thursday. We normally put a show out on a Wednesday, but it Dan Rubenstein. Let's talk about this. Why are we doing this? QNA's show what's up. We take our cues from the great Edward James Olmos with his filmography Edward, James Olmos. I'm familiar with Edward Norton, but Edward, James Olmos have no idea who that is. Okay. So he starred in which I haven't seen, but he was the star of battle star galactica which I'm sure you've heard. I've heard of, yes, he was well not Starbucks co star in La Bomba. The Richie Vallon story. Okay. Yep. You know pot by LA LA Bamba. Yup, Yup, he is. He is an esteemed actor, I think probably into his seventies now and he had. Role, which I would I would venture to guess seventy one percent of kids that grew up in southern California. At some point, we're forced to watch this movie in school probably in seventh, eighth grade and the name of that film was standing deliver and it's about an inner city teacher who tutors are not tutors but teaches a bunch of kids. Nobody thought would amount to anything academically leads them to to big AP calculus. I wanna say spores, very inspiring, deep plot right there. I want it's deep lot. It's great. It's inspiring and we take our cues because we now both of us standing deliver. Okay, we're both standing and we're delivering a bonus show right here. I am standing. I'm hopefully delivering. I mentioned this to you before we hit record, but normally I don't know about you. Actually, I do know about you because we've been doing this for ten plus twenty two. Yeah, I know not not going Taylor with this. Okay. I don't feel like you have much of a radio voice per se. I feel heavy radio voice. So you have the just in general, if you, if you meet you interact with you outside of our podcasting setting the way, talk your cadence, all that stuff it. It's kind of want to one, there's there's not much not much. There's not an additional layer if you will. Yeah. No, I'm what you see is what you get. And I'm kind of like that for the most part, I'm the same human and my sensibilities of the same. But I do tend to project in a way when I'm recording that I wouldn't normally project like if Sarah broadcaster, right? If Solloway Kate were here, she beat down stairs, and she would hear me yelling. I don't do that real life. I'm not. I'm not that loud that boisterous of a person in real life. So we're going down for Turkey sausages and say. Welcome to dinner exact. You don't do that. I don't. I don't project in that manner. So what I was thinking about in the way over here because it was a long day at the office as I'm sure so many of our listeners have experienced or for themselves long day office. A little a little worn down from the week. I am going to do my best ago. Sands radio is tonight. So you're gonna get raw unfiltered unfettered tie right from the cane plant tonight. I'm going to do my best to not project and just give you as authentic experiences possible not gonna edit anything out. This is all an unedited. Yeah. This tight unplug tie after dark verbal after dark. That's what you're gonna get here this evening. And Furthermore, we haven't done a show and while we were doing these once a month in the off season, if only because we had nothing else to talk about, and now we had a grow up immature and all that and talk about real life college football stuff. But we still do get the questions and we just wanted to get people Mona show. Actually, they're going to be multiple bonus show's coming at you. Not just sweet, but in the weeks to come and which we can get out you here in in a little bit, but you were kind enough to solicit questions from a saw variety of different platforms today? Yes, yes. And I, this is like the the asterisk to today's and the rest of the seasons bonus QNA shows which I don't know how bonus they are for enhancing them, but. I'm glad we are now doing them because people can expect them and it holds us accountable the questions that we are answering our questions that have to do with this season it self. It's a midseason QNA which will devolve into ladder season QNA's, whatever. But we got a lot of really excellent questions, but like, hey, if you could be any kind of popcorn, right? And your and you had to be popcorn eaten by SEC coach, we, we will save those coach questions are the ones. Those are the ones that we kinda strike. I think almost instinctively at this point. Yeah, you're hypothetical coast questions. We've we've got a lot of directions with those, but we've, we've gotten a lot of moving to a new city. What should I do for dating and a new job in apartment? We're happy to talk about those type of hypotheticals for us and for the, but we're gonna save those. Yeah, like February or June. So we're going to attack the most read. Relevance to the middle of the season questions that have been asked of us today, and then also at least this week in next week. Do you remember the episodes of flashback episode of the Simpsons where Homer was climbing up to a clubhouse in a tree house? And they said it's the no homers club? Yeah, yes, Yep. At him, it was already a Homer and it was no homers. We're doing an only homers club segments. At the end of these episodes today we are going to be joined. I will be joined by Geoff Schwartz, and we are going to nerd out about the Oregon season thus far. If you don't wanna. Listen to that. That's cool. Just stop the episode and move on with your life next week. We'll be doing some Notre Dame with the Notre Dame guests, and you're gonna flex those muscles. Tie that you've been, you've been yearning to stretch so many must. And you know it is squat Tober tie as you know. Sure. Why coaches with the schoolers skip leg day? Yep, never skip like I'm real sore standing and delivering as we speak. So that's what we're going to do, and I'm ready to dive in with some cues as if you are. Yeah, absolutely. The one thing that I would ask though I'm really gonna try to hold true on this. No radio voice thing, and you've known me for long time again, independent of the whole podcast thing. If ever I if ever I slip into radio mode, I want you to just go buzz or make some sort of noise. Okay, I get level set and kind of come back into just normal time out. Okay. I think the low point of your radio voice nece was when you told momma h to follow you on Facebook fan cred. That was weird and she didn't know what you're talking about and we want the real tie thrill tied right? Just make sure that I make sure that I stay true to myself. Do you have our Dave Letterman sound? Hold on talk a little bit while I find it. Okay. Cool. We've got a lot of good questions here. We asked for questions from Twitter, Reddit, Facebook and solvable entry Mel dot com to which any of those you can always send questions, but we got a lot of good ones. There's a couple of slightly off topic sub questions, but I feel like we are. We are really going to hone in on stuff that is relevant to this season. Also ties drinking believe, sparkling, water. And tonight's I am drinking a ginger tomb, Rick t. with a little bit of Honey. Okay, I got it. That is instruments took me so long. I had to rebuild my sound Balkan back. I was talking about my t. here we go. Here we go. Regulation. Skippy. You've got mail. You've got mail on the solid verbal that took a lot longer than expected because my soundboard app crashed on Sunday morning when everything else crashed for us. So the soundboard and I've had to rebuild it saw the buttons are in place yet. But as often as we can here on the program, we try to pay owed is. Oh my gosh, too. Ever ballers over questions come in. So here we go. That was a little radio voice was low radio right there. I'm sorry. Yellow bet continues. Okay. First question from shoeless. Sean is a good entry point. How are you doing? How are we doing? Yeah. Like life as as has an item or just independent, what? What is this question when someone says, how interpreted how you how you like, how are we doing? Let's say, how are we doing together in conjunction this show is doing well. The show is doing. The show continues to grow. I feel like maybe I can only speak for me with this, but I feel like me personally and us collectively, we've really been able to dial up our personality and and bring out more of who you and I are just as college football fan. So I think we're doing well in the numbers would seemingly indicate that too. Yeah, I think we're pinning our ears back and really getting after. We are. Shoot shoeless. Sean also says, do you have any annual autumnal outings away from college football season as we enter into autumn and then we're gonna, I promise we're getting into college football topics. I really don't tie all take this one. I I out ings I don't have any kids. I live across the country from most of my family. So outings wise. It's just generally with Jodie with an eye and we keep it pretty simple. We will go for walks. You know, we have central park and prospect park, obviously. So only a slim amount of people can relate to that that are listening, but I'm a big outdoors person walking running a listen to a podcast while going for a walk. That's a good Chris bear walk. So that's, that's all I can really offer. Okay. Well, I have an outing coming up this weekend. I talked about the five k. that I'm gonna run. Right that I haven't trained for it all. And some folks were asking, like, is it a costume? Five k. where you get to run as captain America or. No, it's not. It's just normal race over here in Bethlehem that I do every year with my family, which would be cool. It's also going to be tie breaker next month. My birthday. Yeah. So that's sort of a yearly thing, but no, beyond beyond the usual stuff, it got trick or treat night coming up, guys do trick or treat night the, we actually just got an Email in our building to sign up because there are some kids in our building to to to sign up so that they can knock on the door and get some candy. Why they were gonna go big with the candy. Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that because I wanted develop that reputation. I wanted to vote the full-size reputation. I pulled an all time. Old man move a couple of months ago. Now as it relates to Halloween, would you give away some some walnuts. I thought I thought I probably told you about this, but I guess I didn't what I was up at Wegmans, and I saw that they were offering the big bags of kit cats and I think the mini- Snickers bar, right? Yeah, offering some kind of sale. And I saw this and I was thinking back to last year where I didn't have any candy, and I was just caught off guard had a run out and buy bunch of stuff, and they get you through the nose. If you buy late, it's Valentine's Day. So I came home with like ten bags, ten deluxe bags of candy because they were three dollars a piece, and I'm not kidding. I did this at the end of July and I came home and Cates it. What, what the hell is that? What did you do this for all? We just wanna be ready and she's like, do realize Halloween is three and a half months away and kind of dawned on me that maybe I was. I was turning into an old man at that point, but I am ready. Yeah, we've got kicked cats and we've got. I believe it's so 's Hershey's miniatures. So we got a bunch of that rate ago. Oh, cried call. All right, Derek wants to know, and I'm gonna give you some contenders here for you to choose from the biggest surprise so far this year. Good and bad. Can I'm going to? I'm going to will this. I'm going to bend it. Hopefully it's a malleable enough interpretation, not just good and bad, but sort of disappointing bombers, really cool things going to give you some options here. All right. Yep. So these are the good positive things that have been a little bit unexpected. Hawaii, six one call McDonald's, a ton of yards being all ready bowl. Eligible after are really low expectations Colorado with down couple years, but certainly surging even after the loss of the loss to USC the magnitude of two us season, we figured he'd be good, not world destroying. What I awoke has looked like on offense recently because we obviously have an immense amount of loyalty to Nate Stanley. I was told we're in the Iowa show now because we haven't them two weeks running. Is that still on you? You set up our preview doc. I did sit up time. You know what it is. We veered strong in the direction of NC state weird away from Iowa. We became pro and he's anti-ira on this program. What's the? There's some sort of law Newton's law for every reaction. There's an equal and opposite. I don't know. That would be those two programs. Yeah, buffalo and how good their offense has looked in a down year for the MAC. Buffalo is look strong and I would say Utah state Utah state in the mountain west. There are other smaller situations within teams within programs within conferences, whatever that are interesting in a positive way, but those are the ones that I have an a positive direct well, so I would I would push back on the two thing because. It might be a surprise the heights to which bam is gone, but it's still to an, it's still an incredible safety net for him playing in that system, having all that talent around him. So he could. He could be even better than he is now on. I'm not sure it would truly be a surprise not for me and also on the Colorado front. I'm afraid to say that we didn't expect great things from Colorado because of the angry free range Colorado that would come away. That's true. As as you know, for reading the emails, the I compose 'table the answer for me is LSU. 'cause good answer when we did our AMA on the sub Reddit, rented dot com. Slash are slash solved verbal if you're playing at home. I think I said back then that LSU is going to go seven, five and coach. I was going to get fired. It's it's apparent to me that that's not gonna happen at this point. LSU clearly having a really good year up to. I think fifth in the latest, Tom twenty. Five, even if they fall off from this point, four, which I don't think is going to happen. It's still as far going to exceed those expectations. So for me for me, I think LSU is definitely the the good surprise the bad surprise on the flip side also in the SEC would be Auburn, and you're not going to say I was the highest in the world on Auburn, but for Auburn to be at this breaking point now feels like they're at a breaking point with this game this weekend against miss. I picked ole miss outright and I think you went Auburn if memory serves, I should know this because we just did the show yesterday. Yeah, I think I have Auburn when a, yeah, yeah, but it just it feels like they're at a breaking point. They have not gotten that rushing game on track. Jarret stidham has definitely fallen short of at least my expectation. So for me, they would be the surprise on the bad side. The losing Tennessee will warp will work some of this interational of Tennessee, which I think Tennessee will be a pretty good program with Jeremy Pruitt. But at this point, losing that. Comfortably at home, Tennessee, that gets people's eyes popping open like saucers. The other contenders I have your because I do obviously have Auburn there, and I, I don't know if I'm fully bought in his Auburn as the disappointment. They're desperately disappointing, but their defense has, you know, in the offense hasn't totally let them down. They've looked good for for long stretches of this season. I would say Wisconsin just with their defenses, look like Stanford. And that is, you know, a multi pronged explanation probably with losses and Bryce love just simply not being healthy enough to really get their the offensive line taking a step down Cleal Tate's health, no man. I don't think anybody questions is ability, but yeah. What? What Arizona has looked like with Khalil Tate, sort of just struggling to maintain health. What about has been a pretty about Mer? What about Kevin? Someone Harrison? Yeah, expected a lot more on that front. I would also bolt on Michigan state too. Michigan state, of course, beat Penn State. Mainly just went to Penn State and I know I know, and maybe they're running a corner, but let's say the first five games for Michigan state. Okay. Bit underwhelmed and then worked through their own injury and continue to work through their own injury issues. Offense I think is pretty surprising that they haven't been able to not even maintain, but look somewhere in the neighborhood of where they've been offensively. Yeah, with the new quarterback, everything about Louisville is my. For, I mean, think about the perception of the a c c right now, it's Clemson and some of Miami, and now Miami's losing to Virginia. So it's basically Clemson and hopefully they continue to look good with a true freshman quarterback. That's not a great reputation. It's okay to have a one great team and the rest if you're the Pac twelve, but the ACC and especially where the ACC has been these past few years, really looking like one of the deeper conferences really good slate of quarterbacks as recently as a couple years ago. I mean the ACC made Nate Peterman look good. That was fun. And now he's a disaster, but think about our perception of the ACC right now, if lavar were pretty good, if the defense definitely took a step back, but if Puma pass it worked out and they were competitive and fun, even if not a hugely winning team, you'd have Clemson level and maybe to a lesser extent, Virginia Tech and Miami, I I assume that you're not mentioning NC state because we're just assumed to be an NC state podcast. This point we are in. See state park. How could you be disappointed with NC state. All right. Let's do another one. So Louisville, Louisville, cratering BJ. Can you rank the twenty eight team? Got a lot of people asking a similar question. The twenty eighteen coaching hires, coaching carousel hires. Okay. So what's that? What we're not gonna give you some names? No, I'm just going to give you some names and I'm gonna give you a head to head who you've been more impressed with within the context of what they have and what they've done and where they appear to be going. Okay. Okay. Joe Moorhead and Dan Mullen you know, those two program related, to course, obvious would put those two against each other. Of course they played each other. Yeah. Well, Dan Mullen for me is the answer and okay, habe maybe he's starting from a place where he had more higher level talent, but there was definitely more of a veteran presence for Joe Moorhead and it's taken him a little bit to figure it out. I think Mississippi State is going to be fine. They've got a big game this weekend, which we should find out of this little bit more about the BULLDOGS. But for me, I just I feel like Dan Mullen has reinstated a sense of hope at Florida, and that's really what they were missing Philippi. Franks has gotten better at court Alec. Yeah, I, I would go Mullen, but Joe Moorehead's doing a good job in his own right to and the I mean, this is you know, potentially one of the most important hires when you're a head coach and the SEC Todd Grantham. Higher of coordinate. Yeah, very good earlier. So yes, I think Dan Mullen has done a strong early job for the Gators chip Kelly against Scott frost. Ooh. I guess I go chip Kelly. Okay. At this point, is it fair to chip Kelly? Yeah, I would say the battle that he has probably a little more uphill because of the division he's coaching in at the moment and just the the open nature of it. But I, I like the high, the fit, the higher little bit. More of the thing I'd be worried about a little is recruiting seems to be training in a better direction for Scott frost and Brassica than for chip at UCLA. They have not really brought in any big, big names. It's been sort of slow roll for them if you looking into the future. So I actually may go frost here. I may go really frost. Well, yes, I think I think because he is on an ascension, whereas chip Kelly isn't necessarily. I think I like that the idea of Scott frost shooting star a little bit better. Okay. Yeah. I mean, I think you can make a good case or both of my probably go chip Kelly. It just seems like they're figuring out the system and UCLA within the context of a season. This season is playing better and if they start to win, he can get more of his guy here all the time, right? His guys, if you can get if you get his guys in there, I think we could be in a position where you know chip Kelly. Wins a little sooner than expected that you seal it? Yeah, I think the good news for both of those that they have in common is incredibly promising. True. Freshman quarterback, thrown into the fire. Yeah. And and there's a an encouraging situation with both finally will end with this head-to-head JIMBO Fisher? Yup. All indulge. You many Rio Cristobal. How would you rank their performances? I like I like what ma- Rio Cristobal is doing. At Oregon. I like that on his trying to build. A physical presence up front. Something that we talked about on the show yesterday, how trying to get more physical and trust me, Jeff, and I will momentarily. Okay. So I think that I think that's an important step that we knew was in crystals background, but maybe didn't expect to see so soon at Oregon. So that to me has had an outsized impact on how I feel about this comparison am scares me to death. They scared me to death, but I think I think my answer here would probably be Cristobal by a hair because I'm seeing things I didn't quite expect at Orion and on the AM side just at am very good really soon under JIMBO. It's clear that he's having an impact both inherited a good amount of talent on both sides. Yeah, I just I feel. Like we should've seen this all Wong AM and it's just taken JIMBO half a season here to assemble the parts and get them plan the way that they should have all along. Whereas Oregon, I didn't expect to see them playing physical football. Yeah. And I, I would I measured about Cristobal because that Washington game was a probable Washington win and sell. I, I'm, I'm not fully ready to fully hop on board with Oregon playoff contender. Even though we got some questions about that. They're not a playoff contender. Just not. I watched now every play of this team. They're not. The the case remark Cristobal though, is both with what he's done early the the level of competition that Oregon has beaten or almost beaten, and the same kind of goes for protect saying 'em with how competitive they were against Clemson, certainly not competitive against Alabama. I'm a little higher on Cristobal. I think right now just because he doesn't have Alabama and his division just because he has already beaten the class of the division. So within that context, I'm going Cristobal, but I think JIMBO Fisher should have tech, sane, 'em, threatening double digits pretty consistently. My only caveat if I could if Morgan loses this week against was I'm gonna switch my answer over to, okay, JIMBO Fisher. You're upfront about it. I respect that we, Tom f wants to say and no LSU beats, Alabama. So that'd be a couple of weeks and wins the SEC championship. So presumably over Florida, Georgia, Notre Dame and Clemson remained undefeated. Clemson Wednesdays. Championship, what scenario keeps Bama out of the playoff from there? So repeating the the mod, the method by which they got into the playoffs last year, not winning the vision getting into the final four. What would keep that out if they so okay. In this scenario I'm gonna give you gonna give you the further. Baseline LSU is in l. she was in the playoff. They win the new, right? So l Notre Dame Clemson LSU in with presumably one loss, Notre Dame Clemson undefeated. Who is that fourth team that keeps Alabama out. Okay. Well. First off, I don't think there is one because I don't think the big twelve getting a team in. I don't think the Packers getting team in. I don't think the ACC is getting a second team in. I wouldn't even know who that was him would be. I think the only scenario that would keep Alabama out would be another loss somewhere on the schedule for Alabama. And I don't know if it's going to be the week after against Mississippi State, if it's going to be the iron bowl the last week of the year. But I think in a scenario where they've only got one undefeated Ohio State would get in on forgetting Haya state. Never mind. Yeah, never mind. No Hieaux stay will get in for sure. Yeah. I would say undefeated Ohio State. I would say if Michigan runs the table from hair and potentially beats Oklahoma twice, I totally forgot the dig ten. That's that's how I know yet been. I know it's been a long day college is just redact strike everything from the record that I just said. I'm not editing Jim Delany telegram. That's right holidays. So undefeated Ohio State? Yes, I don't think that's a question. I don't think that's a serious question. If a high state runs the table and beats Wisconsin or Iowa, I guess in the big ten championship game, although not the most impressive. They're taking care of business and they scheduled well. Texas running the table. I don't think they will, but if they do, it's a bad loss, but probably not. You know what's worse, I guess getting murdered by Iowa like Ohio State did last year, not getting in or losing relatively close to a probably average Maryland team. Right? I don't know beating twice is a pretty sizable feather. A man, I would say Michigan with as if Notre Dame runs a table and that's Michigan's only loss. That's as good a loss as losing to LSU away from home, both away from home. And that would then mean Michigan beats Ohio State in Columbus. They've already beaten Wisconsin. They would then have Michigan state wins and a Penn State win. And then you know, again, potentially over Wisconsin again, and I awoke. Iowa, I would put Michigan in over Alabama, not winning their division. If Michigan were to win the big ten championship at twelve and one, if Alabama has one loss doesn't win the SEC. Would you put them in over Notre Dame? It to me at this point. Notre Dame has a style point responsibility to me to my is that mean nothing to this process? 'cause Notre Dame has what Florida state. Northwestern navy, Syracuse, Yankee Stadium. USC might be forgetting somebody, but especially after struggling with Pitt, who by the way is like fully NBC coastal race to in one. Notre Dame is they, they now have a style point responsibility to me and if they play down consistently, I think pretty hard about it. It's an interesting dilemma. I think that's the role the lawn conference champions. Yeah, I think I think that's the real dilemma here, and I apologize everyone for screwing that up. Believe me, it has been. No, you're okay. You're good. But a one loss, Alabama against an undefeated. Notre Dame, I think is an interesting proposition. I'm a Notre Dame fan. Everyone knows that Alabama gets the style thing. I don't know what it's thing of. I think Alabama's a better team. There's any denying that Alabama's best. He writes entry to leave them out in favor of really any team to me is is doing them disservice because Alabama is so damn good. You gotta win the games on the schedule that is assist in that we set up here. So if they lose and depending how badly they lose all hypothetical, of course, you can make a case for leaving them out. But for me, that's a hard sell because I just think to the best team in the country, blown everyone out these games have not. Been competitive so far, but we got my favorite question is one. We're not going to answer, but it's related to that to what you just and we were talking about somebody asked about in books and fell chances. That was my favorite next next next top. All right. Here we go above a Bubba. How are we doing? Very answer that. Okay. Here we go. This is from either copper Nick or maybe Copernicus it's short for, but copper, Nick ten, you must build a team that can beat Alabama. You can use any player coach from any other team. Okay. Do you pick and I will. I will adjust this question a little bit too. Last year are richer Johnson, and I did this with specific units if we're going to build a super team to beat Alabama. Who where would we go with? Said, super team. I would go. This is me and I'll give you some time to think about this guy. Yeah, I would go probably with Justin harbored at quarterback. Okay. Go with the Wisconsin offensive line. I, I'm only I can't repeat any of these. Any of the schools probably look at Ohio State at running back if not running back receiver. If I were to go running back, probably go Oklahoma, that receiver defensive line is Clemson. That's a pretty easy call for me. Linebacker. I like auburn's guys. I like Washington's guys, I will probably go Auburn, defensive backs. All I think I'm just gonna lock in LSU there with grant Delpit and greedy Williams. Okay. I think that's my answer. If I'm gonna go across the major position groups and it did hurt not to take special teams LSU in col- Tracy, but I'm gonna leave that to open to interpretation. I would go trace McSorley and coach. Would you go with coach wise. Coach, can we bring Hugh freeze out of retirement? You seem to have a lot of. Against Alabama. Good answer trace McSorley my answer quarterback. He does enough. Okay. With his legs and with his arm. I think to cause fits, you need a dual threat guy. I would take all MRs wide receivers. 'cause they're big and very talented. Probably we've seen them against Alabama defense backs while we have. But that's why I went away from could point who did you go with. Oklahoma's, Oklahoma. I'm still gonna like Hollywood brownie. Missing the chance. Right. Okay. Go, I agree with you running back so high estate. We'll take Wisconsin, offensive line. Sure. Clemson defensive line. Sure. Auburn, linebacker. I agree with that. I might go Michigan defensive backfield very good under defensive backfield. Very good defensively. You could take Michigan's attire defense if you wanted. I would take. I would take Michigan at linebacker as well. I kind of forgot about that. Yeah, but you can make some of righty different answers there on the defensive side. Yeah. Okay. And so you coach wise, I, I hate your trace McSorley picked by the way. I know you hate trace McSorley just in general Sunday seismic sorely. I watched him play against Michigan state last week and Alabama. Big game quarterback. Okay, big game quarterback. Pretty big game. Game quarterback. Next question. Two digit g we got a couple of state questions. Let's go to how embarrassed are all involved parties going to be when no one sees Iowa State Texas because the game got exiled to Longhorn our I totally disagree with the premise of this question that's from Jacob. Okay. I loved watching army, Oklahoma on an illegal. It was something there's something very bonding about everybody being in this same weird position and having to go to twitch or periscope or a weird stream. That's installing malware because you watch on your computer that's tracking your every movement. And that's how many of us if this game is close. If this game is interesting, if this game has stakes are going to watch it does give a feeling of mystery too, doesn't it? Yeah, yeah. If a tree falls in a forest kind of element. Yeah, really happen and this this, by the way was one of the more interesting games last year. It was what? Seventeen ten, seventeen seven Texas wins in Ames that was the Jacob park. Maybe the last Jacob park game fry state. Wow, and thank you. Thank you and I was state's defense became weirdly influential. Everybody started running a crazy dime in the big twelve. I like that Jesse wants. Snow has the fourteen playoff devalued, the New Year's six used to be that making a new year six game was a huge accomplishment. Now it seems like a consolation prize I well. Yes and no. I think the BCS devalued. To be honest in the BCS valued the bolts second. They moved away from the old system where everyone would play whatever bowl matchups they ended up with. And then the voters would decide who the champion was whenever they moved away from that system would in which essentially bull games weren't fully exhibition games the way they are now when they moved away from that. And now to the current model where we have a quote unquote, true national championship game, we did previously or tried to the BCS and we do now obviously with the playoff system. Yeah, I think by default devalues those other games, there's any way around it. I remember loving New Year's day so much more awhile ago. And yeah, it's hard to say more multiple things aren't true. It's hard to say that that was so much more fun when that was all we knew in all we had when you were watching, you know, Wisconsin Stanford, or you know whoever in the Rose Bowl and you have a fun Sugar Bowl and Orange Bowl would be floored state and somebody forcing Brassica there was that element of where the only sport that weirdly has five kind of four championship game six championship games. There was something that was cool about that well in a very misleading way. Well, yeah, no. So I think there's two questions here. The question Jesse asked us is, are those bowl games, devalued? And I think the answer is yes. If you're asking me if New Year's day as a football holiday has been devalued and that's a resounding. Yes. And I'm with you on that front whenever they got away. Hey, from that old bottle or just had more games and it was more higher level matchups that we could watch our New Year's day. That was the best. I love that as a kid, you know, get that anymore. You have a couple of hand. A handful of games are spaced out, but it. Yeah, there used to be more games on New Year's day, and it was just a football palooza kind of like a college football Saturday with really cool matchups that we wouldn't have. Otherwise that was fun. And if there were any way to get back to that, I'd be all for it. There was something I'm, I swear. I'm going to try my best not to get gross here. Tie not gross, but you know, deeply sexual. There was something when spreading all of those games around like that and knowing that was it. That's all we had. There was something about it just being. I'm really trying hard not to be gross, so I'm not going to be all I'm going to say is as it relates to the playoff. I think the foreplay may be better than the main event. Okay. I don't look forward to the playoff like I do trying to let look forward to the actual playoff itself as much as I like seeing it all sort out in the coming in the weeks leading up to it. Yeah, I agree is not a fun experience right now. No. I mean in part of that is the inevitability of Alabama and teams like Ohio State and Clemson being there more often than not. So there is there's nothing really fun, whereas the bowl, Washington Purdue one year, I really loved the Rosebowl. So that's where I stand right now. All right. Where we go next here. Let's go to. Jason Horvath wants to know what must Michigan due to beat Ohio State. Well, so what what is our state of the midseason with Ohio State and Michigan? We talked about a house as defense. A little bit on the show yesterday and even on Sunday, they're giving points. They're not as impenetrable as of we've seen in recent years, probably as they could be this year. It seems like that's a real Tennessee. And that's part of the reason why Purdue is only like two touchdown dog at home because they score points and you can put up pointing. So how state. So I think what Michigan has to do is first off the need to control the clock because Ohio State with Dwayne Haskins an all their weapons on offense. They can strike pretty darn quick Michigan's a control the clock with their rushing game. We know they like to run the ball and shape. Patterson needs to avoid turnovers. Quite frankly, I think there is that African him where he tries to make something out of nothing. He needs to not do that. And the defense needs to find a way to strip Wayne Haskins. I don't know if the formula beat Ohio State is as complex as it has been previous years or knows they still have the talent. But I think whatever you've got such a high level defense when Michigan does this year and offense that does seem to be improving. The calculus isn't quite as isn't quite as complicated. Now they just need to play their best game of the year, which is no small task, and they need to shut down certain assets and they need the shutdown certain aspects of that state offense to really give themselves punchers chance. Yeah, I think Michigan can play them pretty much head up on defense. I don't. They need to do anything. I don't think it's that complex just they need to play really solidly. Yes. I think they have the talent on all three levels that they just play their own game, and they're in a good place games in Columbus, which will post an incredible challenge. Offensively I think that's where everything is for Michigan because keeping his defense. Well, rested is huge. And if they're able to generate some big plays on the ground with Chris Evans and Kron hidden and shape. Patterson continues to sort of evolve within the Jim, how Harbaugh pep Hamilton. Offense, if they're able to get more consistent performances from the past catchers, Nico Collins is the latest sort of step up. I think that's enormous because I think you're right Elias state has a good defense, but not a great, great defense right now. Maybe by the end of the season, maybe they're more of a grower, maybe they'll come into their own, but riding Michigan has like if you had to give me a zero at a one hundred percent chance of Michigan going to Columbus in winning this game outright, probably as I don't know two and a half, three and a half point dogs, whatever somewhere around there, what what percent chance would you give it. What percent would I give. Mission going to Columbus, just winning winning the game outright, correct. Man. I probably give them like a. Thirty to forty percent chance. Yeah, that's where my head is. I my had had thirty eight. Yeah, I think percent they have a pretty good chance of doing it. Yeah. All right. So that's where we're at right now at that that'll change this weekend will go a long way with Michigan playing Michigan state. Yeah, with the success. Notre Dame has had thus far since Brian Kelly cash, we are staring into Notre Dame. Aren't we all episode? Yeah, with success. The Irish have had this far since Brian Kelly made the switch from Brandon wimbush Ian book. That's right. Beating pit by not one, not two, not three. Do you envision more coaches in the future? Being proactive when it comes to switching quarterbacks prior to have it being forced upon them via losses. I think this is one of the more intriguing questions of the season overall is managing quarterback play in general with what we've seen it, Nebraska losing quarterback before the season, starting with what's happening at Georgia and Clemson, it's fascinating, Alabama while it's okay. So not all situations are created equally and I, I bring that up. So we've had a couple instances of quarterback changes all which were under different circumstances. I do. We can't the Tua move in the national championship last year as falling under this casting a change before losing? Yeah, making change before losing. So that's that's a very recent, very notable example of it working out. And then we've got another one. This year, of course, with the move, Trevor Lawrence away from Kelly Bryant, we had it tapping obviously at Notre Dame, not every school has the same embarrassment of riches that Alabama and Clemson have. Who knows? He might see Georgia before the end of the year two. But like I. I hesitate to say that we're gonna see more of this. I just think we're in a really extraordinary season where we knew headed in there were going to be a ton of quarterback questions around college football, and we knew that this was a possibility. We would see some quarterback changes. I just don't think we expected to see as many as we have into see, oh, by the way. So many of them work out. I think these are kind of extrordinary circumstances that you wouldn't see otherwise an enormous college football season. So I don't. I don't necessarily think it's a harbinger for anything to come down the line. I just think it's just sort of one of those blips on the radar where we had many situations in very short period of time, all kinds of workout. Yeah. And I think it's it. This specific situation with Notre Dame was because Notre Dame with the talent on both sides of the ball wasn't separating itself from average to below average teams. Yeah, and now also meant to insult those teams, but we had, we had signs that Brandon wimbush was not leading touchdown drives where he should have been. Yeah, in in that sense, it's very normal. The way that they moved away from him, it's dramatic because it's Notre Dame, but we saw it all last season with win Bush. We did see a little bit of book come in big situations and perform, and though it was a little bit unexpected to bring him in and start against Wake Forest. I feel like that's a lot less expected than the balls that Nick Sabin had quite frankly to bring in. Yeah, two in the national championship or even the balls that Daboh Sweeney had to bring in Trevor warrants over Kelly Bryant. Really with no body of work that those to me are are really extrordinary that they would have the confidence to go to those guys granted to had a little bit of work last year beforehand, but still those to me are incredible that the coaches would go to guys with virtually no experience in key situations and even this year with Clemson. So the book move, though dramatic is far more normal than some of the other ones we've seen. Yeah, the Clemson one is interesting because Kelly Bryant had been good this year. I mean, obviously he hit a wall against Alabama last year and most most teams did. So we had a concept that Kelly Bryant may struggle against the very best of competition, but this wasn't the Kelly. Bryant situation wasn't Brandon. Wimbush barely beating ball states or Vanderbilt or something like that. So that was that's more surprising to me. But yeah, I think you're right. Think most teams should have the luxury of switching quarterbacks undefeated and only beating teams by by narrow margins that that that's the unique quality of now where we're going. Next, maybe final question. We'll see this because it was worded. So magnificently, Chris wants to know which team has the biggest second half turnaround because every now and then they fall apart or because there forever is gonna start tonight. Good job, Chris. Great. That question is high. Even I tried to read it as dryly as possible to see if you would pick up what I was throwing down. Okay. So what what is I going to turn around? What is the question here? So presumably team that has been disappointing in the first half of the season will come on strong. Okay. From this point on recording this October eighteenth. So their games tonight, actually. So if like Stanford, for example, yeah, who'd be one of those teams? They are playing Arizona state tonight. We'll see what happens. We may sound like idiots, but it's time people listen to this if they get killed by a su- but who in your mind is a prime turnaround candidate who, let's say, has a losing record right now has a losing record. Okay. Well, yeah, you throw that. So I'll give you some candidates of gimme gimme some options here. So from the ACC. I'll be realistic here. So I guess Louisville, they have pieces. They've had a really nice receiving core. They have a losing record, North Carolina, Georgia Tech atop maybe twenty five thirty offense. Georgia Tech defense has been kind of disappointing, Kansas, Kansas state's both have losing records in the in the big twelve and the big ten, and then we can scratch Rutgers off. Losing records from the other side is just Nebraska. Maybe Nebraska has a turnaround, you haven't stopped yet. So sensing you're feeling great about anybody, I think, well, I'm gonna go to one that you haven't gotten to one that you did the. I'm intrigued by case state because like we said Barnes. We sit on the show, I think last Wednesday and again on Sunday, if case state just decides f it were running every play that might be more what they're equipped to do at this point. So case state from me is one that I can see them turning around. And I'm real curious to see what happens with UCLA now. 'cause they're one and five. I was gonna be my answer. Yeah, one and five. It does seem like they're kind of making a shift offense as well. So if that system takes and they keep having success, I think I think UCLA is is pretty good answer. One answer that probably won't translate to wins and losses, but just a team that I think has had a turnaround this season in many regards Oregon stay. We didn't talk about John Smith at all. The job translate into some losses. They don't translate into losses, but there's definitely been a market improvement in this year and that if you're in Oregon state fan, if you're listening now. I don't know how many we have, but I do think they are better. And I hope they continue down the path that they've been going down so far this year because there's been improvement. It's a year zero situation. Yeah, and you, you can tell that there is belief in Jonathan Smith, both among the players on that team guys transferring in. They big name transfers coming in Addison gums tristen Jebby Gabio, whatever. Tigon Lindsey, also from Nebraska big names, big time, recruits from a past couple years. UCLA is interesting to me just because we've seen the momentum start with how they played against Washington beating cow have Arezzo this week, the back half of their schedule is not great, but what they look like against Utah, Oregon USC Stanford should be indicator and it should perhaps pickup their recruiting momentum a little bit, which is I think in need. Yeah, so definitely. I think those are my answers right now. Now that you know you might not translate to wins, but and even like Arkansas has looked pretty, they have some fight to them even though it hasn't hasn't sort of caught in the winds call some plus a little bit of pluck some pluck. He says, I'll tell you one team. I'm not in on Yukon. I am not in on San sexy, Randy edsall's know Yukon, we even play think we've played sexier than it's a while. Maybe on Wednesday, we'll do it. Can I give you a couple right now? I mean. Yeah, it's a free show every country free show. All right. Before we get on with Jeff shorts here, hold on, here's here's our own. Yeah, we're not editing any of this stuff out now because we're enjoying ourselves with the QA and we're ready running close to our, we'll put out your Oregon chat with Jeff is like a separate thing together. Okay. So we don't have to try and bolt those two together. We'll we'll just we'll make that a whole separate thing and will close out strong here with Cuna. Yeah. Okay. Are the following people sexier than Randy Edsall. This comes to us as a game that I don't know. We started for no good reason a long time ago. Definitely. Good reason. This is all science tie. You just tell me if objectively these coaches are sexier than Randy Edsall and by all means you can have every advantage and pull a picture of Randy at. So right now yet to just get a sense for him, his topography yet if his, if you're listening at home or at the office, just pull up, go to Google image. Search up the biggest you can filter by large images, get the biggest highest resumes. You can't have Randy Edsel and if you're driving in a car, we can't. We wouldn't advise you to do this while you're driving the car. But maybe if you wanna pull over somewhere and just pull it up on your phone just so that you can play along play the home game with us here. All right. Let's start here with Charlie strong. Well, that's a good. I say, hundred percent, I think so. Charlie strong looks like you could still play. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. This one's got tough one Dabo Sweeney. No, I don't think that's. I don't think that's right. Yeah, I, I've got a. I've got a split screen thing going on right here right now. No, I it's it's no contest. It's Dabbagh or excuse me, it's it's not Devo. It's Randy Edsel okay. Paul Chryst now Paul Chryst wow, emphatic outta here ready Edsel. Scott frost. Sarandia SEL frost is it's it's Randy Etzel, Chris Peterson radio. Wow, Trinite SEL he seems like Chris Peterson seems like a pretty good shape. I'm learning all sorts of things about you. Justin Wilcox. I'm not even sure what Justin Wilcox. Like really? Yeah. Okay. Pull up a picture of Justin Wilcox. Okay. Yeah, I know he me now. I probably okay. He says, let's be honest. I, I gotta go Justin Wilcox here. Yeah, I think I agree with you. We'll must champ. Randy Etzel. I think Randy edsels the answer. Yeah. Final Gus. Malzahn Randy Edsel. Yeah, the sweater vest thing is not working out. There's a reason that we call this game sexier than Edsel. It's not easy to be sexier than Randy Etzel. This is what I'm learning now who knew tie. This is why we put high bar. Randy Edsall played a win the game here. Okay. Good to know. Well, we'll finish with something that has. I mean that didn't have anything with college football, but somebody wanted to know, here's our final question. Where did it go? This was Chiba doc, Sheva DOJ. Actually, there's a good. We'll do college and non college in this Georgia Tech decides to move from Paul Johnson move on move forward from Paul Johnson this season. Who do you think are prime candidates? Georgia Tech shop a very good job. I would say at least potentially. Yeah, I think so. Okay. So it's academe IX come into it with Georgia Tech, right being the number two in your state is it's tricky, but a state that's filled with talent and in a region that's filled with talent in an conference where you can. Win a good chunk of games. Right Zyban city, right. Man, I Wayne lane train. I don't think it's probably going to happen with lane train. That's a pretty big jump. Yeah, I is almost. It's not the option for me. You'd have to move away from the option. Don't don't stick with that. I the option. I know you love it. I think it shades the way you look at that job. I don't think the answer here is Ken Neil motto. Lolo. Okay. Disagree. So do you give me some names, Neil Brown, a Troy. A lot of people thought he was going to be a growing name. He's a decent name, Scott Satterfield app state. I don't know what more you want from him like Anderson at Arkansas state. This is me googling feverishly, Jason candle Toledo. I, I would want a guy from the south. I would want someone from down south. How about this? This was somebody whose name we mentioned. Not two and a half minutes ago. Yeah, but Charlie strong. Interesting. It's an interesting name. Their defense would be instantly approved improved. He's got. Good familiarity with south cry. Would he wanna leave south is Georgia Tech a better job than south Florida? Yeah, yeah. Oh, for sure is yes. It's an ACC job and it's a quality Charlie, Sharon, gloves, orange, the state of Florida. I know you're not that far away. Okay. You convince people from Florida to move to Atlanta. Atlanta's a great city. Yeah, she's true. You don't have to sit in traffic that much fear college student. I think Charlie strong is a good I need would option. I need time wanting about this. I was unprepared for this question. That's okay. You are prepared for the second part of Shiva docs questions from read it by the way beds, national fast food chain, tie Chick-fil-A. I let's, let's okay. Chick-fil-A answer Chick-fil-A. The answer I will answer. How do you? How do you define and Chick-fil-A fits this? How do you define fast food? What is his Cipolla? Fast food some now that would be casual dining or casual fast? Yeah. I think something with a drive through is what I would classify as as fast food or a fast food, traditional fast food. For me, the answer is chick filet. Do you have a favorite fast food burger? I like the Wendy's classic single with cheese who didn't even have think about it. No, you have to shuffle through your Walker experiences, MAC experiences. The problem with the Walker is at, there's too much going on and there's so much burger that the bun falls apart. And I read something a long time ago on the McDonald's front, that if you take the burger out of the bun and throw it out on like your back deck, that the bacteria won't even attack it that it's not. It's not real. Yeah. There's enough preservatives to fight off mater and though though I've probably had a quarter Pounder here and there since reading that and I gotta be honest scares the hell outta me. So. Okay. The answer would definitely not be them. What percent, what percent of the Chick-fil-A menu do you explore. I'll usually go if I'm feeling dangerous. Sideway chick flake, not a sponsor. No, not a sponsor go. If feeling more, if I'm feeling dangerous, I go spicy chicken sandwich, but I've experimented with teams just Chick-fil-A sandwich the regular Chick-fil-A sandwich. I've done the cool rap combo. I think is a number six of done the Nogues everyone's done the nugget or the chicken ten does. Do they currently have spicy nuggets. I don't know. They probably have sauce that could satisfy that. Yeah, but I'm telling you nugget self being Wendy's has an advantage have strong spicy nuggets, right? No, I don't. I don't think so. Done salads done the soup. I think I've done. I've done like the milkshake some the ice cream they offer. I've had a good swath of the menu. My answer may be Jack in the box, Jack in the bot food. Oh, yeah. For sure. Okay. You could tell that I'm not versed in the ways of Jack in a buck check the box. I I honestly, I will eat McDonald's for breakfast in an airport, and this isn't for any reason. I cook and I, I think fast food is delicious. Terrible for you. I like Taco Bell. McDonalds is fine. I like McDonald's. Cheeseburger dipped in sweet and sour fine Chick-fil-A, good. Jack in the box is way out in the forefront in terms of all day breakfast, breakfast jacket one of the morning, if you want it five PM and everybody started copying them, they're tacos. Are disgustingly wonderful. There's a mystery meat situation. The whole thing is fried together. It's not. They don't just fry the shallow than put some meat and lettuce. They fry the whole damn thing. They're spicy. Chicken sandwich is good. Good shakes. Jack-in-the-box. My answer does. Does it an out have drive through. Yeah. I mean it's by default. Yeah, the by default in and outs, it's drive there, but. I think in and out is delicious. The fries aren't that good, and it's not a national fast food chain. I don't think they go past Utah, Texas. We don't have any within having Jack in the box franchises over here in PA. Have you had Jack in the box. I don't think so. It's it's a weird terrific experience. Tie you can look into a bag and gets a mozzarella sticks. Some girls. Okay, breakfast sandwich. If you take, if you take the burger out of the bun and throw it out on your back, patio will the flies will the bacteria go after it. Almost assuredly not. No, I'm sure it's in the same class o.'neil so they have the sour dough option tie. Okay, a burger, some Sourdot. Great. All right. This has been. This has been fun. I don't think we got time for any more questions. Here is the deal. We'll do more of these as the year progresses. We promise there's always demand for CUNY show. If you've got questions, if you want questions answered, maybe sent them in today. We didn't get to them. We will get to them at some point this season, whether it's separate podcast, whether it's just something we post one of the social channels, keep your eyes and ears peeled for when we might do something like that. We'll do it again soon. We promise the other thing that will add if you're looking at your podcast feed and he seen Oregon show come up after this one. It's because this is the thing that we're gonna. We're gonna try to do more of. So it's gonna talk Schwartz our good friend gesture towards about Oregon football next week. We're going to try and talk Notre Dame. We'll start off with two of our two. Of our Homer pods, but then we really do truly one of my great into talking about some other teams with other beat writers just to try and get the lay the land, whether it's team of prominence, whether it's not a team of prominence. Just someone with an interesting storyline, feel free to reach out. Let us know which teams you might be interested in hearing more about. Have we talk in a little bit more detail to think it'd be cool to do this time of year. Sound good? Yeah. Yeah. Only homers allowed. All right while for that guy over there, Dan Rubenstein. Thank you sir, for collecting all these questions for putting them in a document and for not buzzing me the whole show. I didn't do the radio. I I didn't wanna throw you off your game. Consider it. Well, I'm tie. He's Dan. We're gonna catch you all momentarily. Actually, if you're listening to us in bench mode. 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CFB Recap - Week Six: Kayce, Dave, and Jack Mac

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CFB Recap - Week Six: Kayce, Dave, and Jack Mac

"Welcome back to a brand new college football recap on comeback season. I'm Casey Smith with Dave Portnoy and Jack Mack. Our college football expert here at h. q. we're looking back at week six and all the craziness. That was Saturday wasn't a great slate, but ended up being a really fun day to watch starting with that Red River shootout down in Dallas, Texas. We talk about that. We overreact, and then Dave was very distracted. So we get into a couple of different arguments, but nevertheless, a fun call. Trebol recap on this happy Monday, hope you guys enjoy it. And of course, comeback season is presented by velveeta shells and cheese, and being an SEC fan can be draining. The game day ritual begins early tailgates, all that stuff. Let velveeta make your day even easier. 'cause there's nothing more delicious than velveeta shells and cheese. Of course, if you haven't had it, you're living under a rock. If you have, you know the little noodles or like pools and it's creamy, and it's super easy to make you just boil the water cook the shells and stir in the cheese sauce. And here's the thing not only is their food delicious. There. Giving you an opportunity to go to the SEC championship game. They're giving everybody that goes to their website and opportunity for an all inclusive trip for four to the SEC championship game thousands of instant prizes. So you need to go to liquid gold SEC dot com for details again, four all inclusive, a pass. All that good stuff for the SEC championship go to liquid gold SEC dot com. For details. Satisfy your postgame craving with the cheesy, multi criminals. Evita shells and cheese. This is on. All right. So we're back here on Monday, recapping college, football weeks, six. I didn't think that the games this weekend, we're going to be that good. It wasn't a sexy slate, but ended up being pretty fun. Weekend of games. It was fun. Is fun. The red do you at the shootout the rivalry after forty? Forty. Five? Yeah, I got a call to shoot out. People are so down. He see. But yeah, they change it to make it to showdown because it's the shootouts too much like brutal. I people get too sensitive, but it was a good weekend. Dave. You guys are in Kentucky crux, rough and rowdy, but you also got to hang out with some of the Kentucky football team right ship, sorry. You're fine. I'm just trying to place my hockey bets. Yeah, there's a few game days. I know. Well, and this is not part of, you know, called football, but marina I walked by Mike, the Bruins gonna win. And she's like, yes. At the Bruins minds. She's never gonna say, no, I know. But she says so confidently like it's like if somebody asked me about the patriots, are you going to say we have a lot of people under rated here who are like the biggest single fans of their teeny. Oh, yeah. Marino of the Bruins is probably number one Bruins fan of planet Cavs. Red Sox me patriots. Frankie islanders Frankie was in the middle of fucking Kentucky, like freaking out streaming the islanders game, like during the playoffs. So he literally in the middle, we're just sitting there and he just at dinner. He's just cleansing. Those can't believe hockey's back like rolling relaxed anyways. Yes. So we're in Kentucky. And it was I, yeah, I don't even know where so Thursday what we do. We have barstool radio Thursday, and then there was something else on TV, third, oh, patriots, patriots. Thursday night. We also cashed annual was like a huge barstool fan invited us over his house for they call it like their family dinner, which is centrally him in is like roommates a bunch of offense, alignment, and they cook dinner. They had us over first of all. The patriots playing is I've been watching the patriots will cook wings and all that stuff. They don't have cable. They use some rig Michelle millennial system, whereas like they go through their like plays PlayStation. They couldn't get the patriots came to work, which is quite frustrating for a while and they basically burned down literally burned down their house. Cooking, like trying to cook wings on what happened. But the kitchen caught fire won a big fat offense lineman. He's like dead. Here's like everybody in the kitchen. Now. And it was smoking up so much. We had to leave, like I mean, it it before you even eight yet we, they burned all the food like that. Tom, Texas, they literally wanted me, but we've got, we had to leave. Yeah. One of them came out is like just coming no food and they were so like sad cash was actually embarrassed like he was texting like Dan me being like, so sorry, like so embarrassed. I mean as classic college, but the house looked like a five alarm fire. It was wild. How close the house came to burning down. So that was his one shot. Right? Like he doesn't have the patriots game on. So you can't watch the patriots. When you got the food we left. We're all this have been NCWA violation what you guys going over. I guess they. Yeah, but I was thinking over for dinner. No, but I, you never know with NC double put too much catch up on a hot dog. Yeah, you got you. Got. I was like, thanks for having I said, thanks for coming. Sorry about the cluster. Fuck. I mean, he was like very down. Try like you couldn't host event worse than they did the TV Dan. The food, they burn down the house. It was so thick. Like we're laughing, but you couldn't breathe like you had it was a while. Oh, yeah. Don't not exaggerate. It's like. Never gonna live that down. He's gonna feel bad about that because at somethings like, oh, it's not as bad like there. You're just making them feel bad and one of the offense, alignment, not trying to be funny as I know. I was like shitting my pants. I looked in the oven and the entire thing was had they ever cooked before is seeing that way. They do this. Like there's a picture. Actually, I don't know where it is that they took of the kitchen is just like all burned a mean. I think it was a full fledge fire in their house would be something that would happen when you guys were there. So that was barstools story that was Thursday. Then I watched the Kentucky football game, Kentucky a. and m. Kentucky sports radio bar, which is awesome sports bar and grill. That's what we did Thursday and the Kentucky fans were. I think the kids say lit. I mean, they were as excited for this football. There is a lot of them at the game two in a well. People were texting me that like I've even met through like when I was working at the SEC network, they all were going down to college station like one to know what to do, like halfway through the weekend. They're like, this place is awesome. I was like, yeah, why would Kentucky fans have ever been to an nobody knows was the biggest game people saying since like the fifties for Kentucky, even bigger than one's year Lorenzen was there? Well, I don't know if there were ever were. I guess they were never really that good. They were good, but they were never like five. Yes. I mean, it was the first time that they weren't three and on the SEC since the seventies having on six. Since the fifties, this game was humor's. Yes. So I mean, I was talking about, I think like there was more excitement than a normal basketball game because they're just not used to it. So this place was, I mean, they were going crazy. I have some pretty good clips on of them when they scored the touchdown on the fumble recovery, I'm in place, went madness. I had an m. five and a half. So when they won by six, like I was just marking my face off, I mean, I did feel bad for him. So is there watching that I was watching the Red Sox who got smoked at game and then watch the McGregor fight. So as a long funded. Stacks sports day outside a call, but the Kentucky game like the, I don't understand why they didn't use Benny smell more like the people. They're pissed about that or do they like an hymns defense, which is too good watching that game to me. It's like this kid is the reason that you're good and he had the ball thirteen times fences. So the. I don't think they're the number one defense against the run this you see? Well, I mean who they who? What's record? There are three and two one. They lost the Clemson and Alabama, Alabama. Yeah, of course to Clemson and Alabama got demolished by them. But they covered though. Teams cover. But no. I mean, the big like we should go into the overreactions about this because I really have no idea who the third best team in this is it says. No, it's still l. zoo. Even though they lost a Florida Kentucky. I mean, they lost, but like what? Florida loss. It can Florida team that happens that Florida is a wildly different team. Now it's true, but it. So would you say that Florida has you wouldn't say floor is better than LSU even they'd be? No, because I, if that game was at LSU they don't be or even a neutral field. I feel like with LSU because I think that they are the third best team. I don't think it's as like far a gap as it was. Joe borough didn't look now is the whole thing was to be good. Florence defense has turned around. I mean, it's tough. I clearly first of all, I'm not totally sold on George. I don't. I'm not. I'm not either. I really concerned about them. I mean, we'll find out this weekend because they play LSU where it's at Hugh see, we'll beat them. You think you'll buy lot. No, but will because all their Georgia's. They opened up seven and a half point favorites. All those teams are very lumped together, like LSU, Florida, Georgia. They miss this Kentucky's Auburn, which makes an wildly overrated. I mean, their offense is horrible. All those teams are, but that's the SEC. If you're at home, you should probably win those games. And I told you what would happen Kentucky for ammo who's been listening for a month. You did. I'll give you credit to that. But I mean, am am is is in that mix too and not just because they beat Kentucky is like their only loss in the SEC. So the team that everyone's gonna lose to because nobody's beating. Obama. And I know I said that earlier and you looked at me like I was low crazy. I just don't think anybody can be. It's like it's so early to say that also, I mean to his playing out of his mind, he has seven more incompletions than he does how then he has touchdowns, but. I just I'm just not sold on this idea that it's Tober and we're like, oh, Alabama's agree. A hundred percent and go undefeated they've lost every are. I don't know about that. I haven't played anybody. Yeah, they haven't and I haven't been challenged, but I mean, an Amazon, a bad football team and an they just killed like good. Well, I mean, they only be Clemson early loss by two, and and the only reason I'm using an MS because that's the best team that they've played, but the way that they're playing, it's not even like they're just like squeaking out, like wins over shitty teams like they're destroying everybody. I mean to is not even playing in the fourth quarter at all. No, it is pretty wild. But if you look at his stats of them come in quarters one through three, but I mean they have to know fucking horrible. So I don't know what we're gonna like fenced. It allows thirty one points against them, Nick Sabin, something yellow about Louisville, bills, horrible, Mississippi, Mississippi's horrible. They beat AM finance. Okay. ATM's not ready. They're not. It's who who has l l by a and m. is by far the best team that I'm not saying that in the SEC that like Alabama. First of all, I think Alabama is the best team in the country. They're the most talented team in the country, and they have the best player in the country. So when you look at this team, it's like who is going to beat them? Just using thing going to roll LSU could easily at them at LSU easily. That was very teams not been tested yet. We haven't seen too, and I'm moment where it's like, okay, it's fourth quarter. You're down three points and LSU the entire fan section of the entire stadium LSU it's, I mean, LSU value. He's gonna come close to beating them. It'd be LSU. Auburn is not going to beat them. The iron bowl is not going to dog the. I mean, Auburn, just not good, but I still think that in the SEC you have Alabama, you go to SEC, isn't that much better? Alabama's great. The rest of the SEC's like any other conference. That's why I said that I don't. I mean, it's Alabama. It's everybody else in the east right now. It's Georgia will find out more about them in the next couple of weeks, but the SEC they're all beating up on each other, which is what good conferences do. I mean, the big ten is like that every year as well. I just don't see anybody beating Alabama and I don't see anybody beating Notre Dame either. Like I know that I could see Notre Dame definitely just blowing. It's gonna to stay. See. I mean, I mean, I know everyone thinks flirts states the worst team ever, but they almost be Miami. I should've seen that one coming and then they also so they coming that that was going to close game. Third f. a. Miami, I show seeing that. Dame. We'll see with Notre Dame. I mean, you're not sold on under Dame. Well, I think they're much better with this guy in book, but like it's not like, I don't know. Their schedule is just not. I mean, I don't see anybody on the schedule that's left. Virginia Tech was their toughest. I don't at first half. It looked like for June. I, I only was really getting score updates, but the I know that you have a defense touchdown, right? Nor Dame scored a defense, a touchdown that a short field nineteen seventeen look like Virginia Tech is moving the ball pretty good. And then the second half is a debacle. Tagger was that ninety yard touchdown by Dexter? Lawrence, that's a Williams or something. Okay. Dextra Williams had a really good game. If they go undefeated. Let's just play hypothetical. If they go undefeated, do they sneak in over somebody with one loss as an independent means you like because sneaking of Notre Dame's undefeated they're gonna playoff. Even if like Michigan won the big ten in their one loss was to Notre Dame. You're making those sense. What how is that making those? I think Notre Dame with definitely get it. If Michigan won the Michigan would get in over Notre Dame. Championship undefeated Notre Dame that's happened before Ohio State. Well, you see, you know that has never had. It's not happened. No, but a big ten champion has not been in it, but I guess they had the one loss now Notre Dame's undefeated there in. That's the unit agree that that is that is a bigger statement of fact, then it will get dark tonight. Notre Dame is undefeated Notre Dame's going under. Imagine undefeated Notre Dame. There'd be the real world would stop undefeated. Notre Dame is in I agree. And if Michigan wins in Michigan wins the big ten with one loss, they're both. In fact, I'm like doing math in my head Tropico especially the Oklahoma losing act. Well, I mean, Oklahoma's gonna lose Oklahoma, knowing people sitting Oklahoma. The only people say Oklahoma's good. Is you Casey. I've been telling you for a month. This Oklahoma teams only person saying that when they've been ranked in the top ten all year up, my ranked Reimer, we look at my pole. I'm like, they're not good. They haven't. They're gonna lose two games minnow meal. Oh Dave. You're so stupid? Nope, Dave's, right. Okay. Well, I do want to give you a little bit of shout out that you have this thing that happens to you on Twitter, sometimes where you say something and as soon as you press send bad things start happening for you, those Oklahoma, Texas. But let's happen though. Before this year with like betting, you'll say stuff on Twitter in the new immediately goes the wrong way. I didn't even care at that point who won that game because I was like, whatever, like Oklahoma's not going to cover. I wanted so badly for them to win that game just because of that tweet sneaky. I did too because I had Texas plus the points, but I did not bet them money line. So I wanted them to win and I wanna felt bad. You go on Twitter and you talk shit. And then immediately they score like twenty one points that was quick. It was did not age. Well, like. Like not eight. I pressed it in. So to clarify, I complain. I'm like, I hate myself for not betting Texas money line because the week before all my underdogs I bet them in money line this week. I got screwed. So I didn't do it this week while I did do it by didn't do it on the Texas game. And then I was mad at myself said, I wish I bet Texas money line him. So stupid. I looked at it was forty five to twenty forty two twenty forty five. It was twenty one points when he tweeted that whatever the score and then like I looked on Twitter literally like two seconds later, and it was tied forty, five forty, five. So I saw your money line tweet and I knew in the back of my head that there was no way I was going to get out of that game without you saying something on Twitter, but I just missed it for like, I didn't see your tweet until after they scored the first touchdown in the in the fourth quarter, I was like, please let this keep happening. I was seeing all the replies of like, Dave, you probably should delete this. You shouldn't do that. But listen, it's big, twelve defenses, and I. I'm gonna say this Texas is back. They're not two thousand six Rose Bowl, Vince young back, but they are back there in the top ten. But the defense is in the big, twelve oaks, horrible. I mean, it's up to now. I think they. Was Michigan that Michigan thinks all the way up to heat seven. I mean, in my mind, West Virginia is six. I know it's crazy, you know, who's top tens of starting to like round into form the yours? Yeah, look, I've been pretty good at the my top minus the high state thing, but we don't have to go back. Well, I don't recognize them. Now, granted Kentucky drops out, but they didn't barris themselves. That was a good. You know, that was a good they fought. That was a good game by Kentucky play coming out. So yeah, you've been leaving Oklahoma. So that's every Lynn leaving Clemson out. Sometimes to Washington I've had in their. Everyone's been making fun of me because too I kept saying Michigan controls their own destiny of very happy who we are. Sorry, look like team. You don't wanna mess with. I mean, yeah, they're lost. Notre Dame obviously looks much better. Did you? I think Michigan's fifteenth, which doesn't make sense. That's just shows that that the people's just like a bunch missions in the top ten. It doesn't matter because I mean, if they just went all the games, it'd be, they'll be, they'll be in it so, but I feel like this is all the way up in weight, Texas, like eight, Michigan. I think Texas has nine. Yeah, it makes no sense. But I mean the polls, love ten. It's a vacuum too. But I mean, the defense was so bad for Oklahoma that they fired their biscuits, twelve Texas's nine as wrong. The Texas will lose for sure. I mean. The bail, both those teams stinking. I've been saying from the beginning, they don't stink. Oklahoma is just not near as good as people thought. I mean, their defense is so bad, but that's the thing is defensive coordinator. They did. They should have done that before the season probably. Did you see that they almost named Bob, the co, their next defensive coordinator. Oh, that would have been on. I know he's the Outside Linebackers coach. Now he was brought in and by the way, let's. Was Oklahoma does think they went to overtime with army. That's thing. You can't say it's a fluke in triple off, whatever army's not good. Okay. I don't think that they stink though. I will admit that they are not as good as I thought they were going to be solely because their defense is so bad. Like Kylo Murray minus the fact that he had those two turnovers and like the one fumble he had where he's holding himself up on the ball garbage. It was horrible, but Kyla Mary and that offense are really good. Their defense is just bad, and that's the big twelve as a whole except for West Virginia. And I mean, will Greer threw three interceptions in the red zone. So I just don't know what the big twelve is like right now, anybody especially Alabama. Everyone's saying album. Clearly they're older. I mean, I don't know admitted that I think no, but I still haven't played anybody. These are also this is college football. I think we always forget the chaos happens. This isn't they haven't played anybody who who's remotely can like, do any. I watch when they play LSU. That'll be tough if you play Clemson and is healthy that that'll be tough. You play Michigan. That'll be shamed, magic. You'd want no part of that they magic is looking good. He's around here four magic. What about a high of state? It gives them t shirts for that. Yeah. Yeah, we or this weekend. Yeah, we'll be. At the game in whatever we doing the show like six, we got to say where we're going. It's like the parking lot across from its on south main street. I remember that from the show last week, right? Yup. So we'll be there. Are you? What are you gonna do for content in the game where you're going to stay on the sidelines? So last year we were on the sideline, but it's weird because Dan's miss Wisconsin, I don't think like he wants to be on the Michigan sideline. So probably, yeah, we'll just probably be in the crowd. Yeah, that's my how. What's the your way, too. Early prediction for that game. Dan basically submitted enrolled over like a dog Earl. He's like, you guys are gonna kill us because Wisconsin when my mortal lock, if he can't cover against Nebraska, but I think it'll be close. I mean, mission, I think it'll be close. I commission wins by think it'll be close. Michigan needs to win on need. They need a game, Michigan wins this. Then it's all basically, well, I can look at their schedule Michigan state than they have minds, Michigan state stink. So they listen to what the western. Well, you can't do that shit. Yeah, I mean, kind of can not. I don't know. We saw with Florida. I mean, they're completely different team three weeks after they look and talk show now and Michigan, the good, the good news about Michigan is they do a Penn State at home. They don't have to go to Happy Valley. And then I think it's probably in a few. I think they go Michigan state the week after this week, and they have a bye than they have Penn State. Okay. They have a bye somewhere in there. And then it's obviously the big game at the end of the year with Ohio State a, we'll be there this weekend. That'll be exciting. Jackal is your overreaction. I know you want it. I think my overreaction is that Yukon is the worst division one football team always in my lifetime. It's not a bad. So I grew up going to uconn, football games. It's where I, where I fell in love with college football. I know it's a bizarre story. I fell in love with college football by going the Yukon football games, but Randy Edsall who's just. Dopp of the solid earth. Just the worst leaves. You can't go to his dream job at Maryland. Then just as the worst coach ever at Maryland, then they bring in Paul Paschal Oni, who ruins Yukon football program. And then Pontiac, oh, comes in, and then they go back. You u of them. Love bought Blimey obviously gave us the civil conflict. So that's it for forever. But then Randy Edsel comes crawling back and I don't know if you saw his incentives for his bonuses. It's like if you allows like ten points per game, he gets a fifty thousand dollar bonus. Well, that's nonsense because they're allowing fifty three point six, six points per game, which is two points more than the women's basketball team. Last year. She's not good people. Actually care phone is. I was mind those mine. It's Jackson hose confused. Do people actually care about Yukon? I don't even know how we start talking about Yukon. I got sidetracked by tweet. Oh, no, no, no. The somebody tweeted, like, honestly, I it quite. Confusing. For being honest, I got tweet. I don't understand how somebody saw. So I got a people hate me clearly right breaking news. So I got like I logged on at Twitter. Was it. Yes, right. Whatever it's like, hey, you're count locked for like hateful speech. It I every once in a while I have this people. It's like a tweet from like two thousand thirteen that I retweeted something I don't even know what is from, but it was like a bunch of people. I have no idea what it was in front. It had. The the f. word in it, like for gays. I don't know what it was. I have no idea what it was from, but people go back and like Twitter. It was like, I retweeted something no idea what. So it just Twitter is basically like delete the tweet, and then you can unlock your accounts, delete unlock work. The guy who tweeted me has like a screen shot of an update on your port. Thanks for like that. Like it's an update. Thank you for letting us know. So it's like, how would he know that. Must have been the one report reported you he reported to you. So if you report somebody on Twitter, you get updates on what happens now. So like if you wanted to, this guy's going through everything, I have. And so then like whatever Twitter tells you that you have to delete the tweet or you locked out. It tells him the same thing. Got it. Yeah. What occurs? So he's basically narking on himself for being a narc as part of the blue checkmark brigade. Oh, what do you think? That's a great point. That's a stupid question. So this guy, so this guy went and again, he found like once and I don't even know what it is. It's like I didn't say it. It's like something was re twit. Then how did you delete it? Wasn't you? It was a, I retweeted something right. So then how do they not lock you out of your account? I did when I went in, I log on Twitter and it says, delete this tweet and you can use your county in. So I press delete. It takes away. Now, this guys, I guess celebrating that it was like a two thousand thirteen tweet that I had to the land cod because I'm saying he's knocking on himself for fucking generally. My thing is I never deleted tweets while it's like if I need to press delete to use my, I will do that. It's either I can never use Twitter again or two thousand and thirteen tweet. I don't even know what. Is in reference to crazy. It's just derailed in all of college football talk, which I'm okay. But you would see how that would be distracting. You know why he would have thought back my account. So it's like, do I have to change my password. You're, you got this Twitter thing on. I'm talking about uconn, football. Doc, I'm like, what's going on? Because he say he overreacted and said that he thinks Yukon is the worst division one football team ever. They're pretty bad. They're pretty bad. And the stat that's most telling is the the women's basketball team. Obviously, it's you ones basketball. So the pretty good, but there are a lot more points than the women's basketball team to last year and they're, they're spending just don't know if people actually care. Randy Etzel said he was like, we're looking at the big picture here. We're not looking at the games what this college, some college football coach. I think we gotta stop talking. Yeah, I was gonna ask you, do you have anything else you want overreact to. Trying to think of all the games? No. I mean, I I, I don't think the overreaction is Texas back. We've already gone into that because I don't think Oklahoma's. Good. I know I asked you this last week. What do they do? They have to win the big twelve for them to be back for sure. In your mind or what like, what do they have to do. Because like I said, they're not back like they were with Vince young obviously. I mean, you don't lose to Maryland competitive. Yeah, but they're okay. They're in the top ten so, and you probably sold some Matthew mcconaughey shirts? Hopefully I just wanted to. Yeah, I guess they are back. You hold him through a higher standard. I guess when his taxes like. They're back goes, you can say, I would say they're in a call once they're in the college football, playoff. They're back. When I think of Texas, I think of national championships, I think of, I don't think of, oh, moral victory, not more victory, but a victory in total. I guess that's my thing. I when you think of Texas back, it's like they play a playoff team in you expect them to win, like you're saying they're playing Clemson. If you're play, they're playing Alabama, Ohio State. I don't think they have a shot held so's tedious the with Oklahoma. I mean, I thought Oklahoma was going to run the table charts. Tell you that you were trying to tell a lot of people that it wasn't just me. Have you been impressed by college? Football knowledge because I've been pretty good. I mean, the reaction that you had when I said that Notre Dame was gonna cover against Virginia Tech was just as wrong, but I've said Notre Dame's. I said, Notre Dame and Michigan would have a rematch in the playoffs. Okay. That would be a lot of fun. It would be a lot of fun. I am. Yes, I'm impressed. You have been calling the Kentucky thing. That's fine. But you also just, I think, say some like, say, things sometimes and then just back them up just because you don't wanna admit you're wrong. So when I can prove that you're wrong, I like he's wrong. Virginia Tech game. Will you? I mean, the numbers show that you're actually wrong to military right there. Right? Dave just said he was wrong, so I didn't need the number ISO trying to think what else? No, I think that was a pretty. There wasn't a lot that happened outside of the games were closed, the Florida LSU. Florida's back that would be more of my air back than anybody to. Are you like Dan Mullen now because didn't you not like Dan Mullen? I was neutral on them, but I mean, I know I wasn't sure if I had one of those missed reactions because I watched. Them when they crushed Tennessee, but their defense is legit. I don't know how Kentucky and Kentucky's defense is legit. Yeah, Kentucky's not a bad football team, but I know. Yeah, I think this is the strongest SEC's. Kentucky, beats, Georgia? Yeah, I wouldn't be surprised about that. Georgia cannot stop the run, and if they give the ball the Benny Snell if they have big, if that's a great. Didn't even touch the ball and overtime, how not give him a ball, Kentucky beats, Georgia, Atkins hockey market down? Yeah. All right. Anything else? No, I'm looking at everything right now. Just making sure I didn't miss. That's pretty much everything. I'm just going through all the scores. That was pretty much everything any bad beats from about to ask it. What was the worst bowl where I really fucked myself was. So I didn't take the money line, Texas, and then I'm like, you know what? Keep doing it. You got screwed. So then I did it with Virginia Tech, adver, Ginny, and Virginia Tech double loss. And I took halftime line Virginia Tech, half the money line. So I lost like thirteen different ways on Virginia Tech, and I was as good the rest of the day. All my picks would good except that. That was my lucky. Should I listen to me then last night in baseball, Walker bueller. Oh, yeah. Yeah. He's like a huge stool. DM me and Keeneland. He's like, have you tried this pizza place? Mark wise, like from Keeneland and I like Walker Bieler. So I bet on him last night, like double money, and he sucked and the Braves one, and then I got screwed in the NFL. So my gambling went down the toilet. Okay. Not bad right now you're doing okay and catch on pretty good. I'm still doing okay. And but I should add another big week and I didn't so setting up for a horrible. We'd come out, you have hockey to add Ocoee that we're going to Michigan. I'm excited for that. Michigan, Wisconsin. That'll be fun. Have you ever been in Ann Arbor? Dan says, it's not fun. Hospitals, Wisconsin guy. It is fun. It's fun. I'm excited about it. And I mean, I mean not is universally known as one of the best college in the world here at Dan said that I'm, he was like, have you been said? No. And he was like, well, you'll see white sex. Whenever you go. Okay, you won't. But I mean in Arbor's like a historical town, like everybody you like college football, you have to get a an RBIs. And then do you bet on the Red Sox ever or do you stay away from that? I'm having a hard time bet on them. I did. I haven't met either game yet. They're big dog today is a tonight of, obviously there's a lot of important stuff floating around. So big week in sports guys. Nothing else. Well, that's it. I hope the Red Sox won. I think we all can agree on. You went to the game, right? Didn't you. I did not. I had to actually listen to this. I had to go to thirtieth birthday party. So you were took a picture in front of? I was down at round Fenway the whole time. That's the biggest like fake thing. I didn't say I was at the game. Oh, Casey. I didn't say I was at the game. I see this. She took one like in front of the Friday night yo, you know who Saturday Saturday. So I was down there for the live section section ten show. I went down there for that. Hopping a photo on the Fenway one of the all time that that'll be talked about all day today. Actually, maybe all I, it would be wildly curse the Red Sox. No, it'd be wildly different. If I said, oh, the game was great. I was down by Fenway. It wasn't like I drove in a Fenway to take the fucking picture. I was section it was. It was insane those, like I know Jared always talks about how he has like a cult following and like people laughing him. It's crazy. These people like there were hundreds of people just like literally, oh, I did not. I can't believe I missed that was I don't understand. Don't care. PS. I love you Boston. I don't understand what the big deal is. If I'm down there on believable, move from Casey's, that's I don't under. I mean you're asking for it if you do that. No, I'm not. It'd be different if I was like. Plug this. Update. Casey did not go to the game because I was a good friend and how to thirtieth fucking birthday party. We had tickets and I couldn't go. That's an absurd. They you had to go to this birthday party. I gotta go, we have fans, will we try to move? We have a fan duel, live broadcast on radio from the Meadowlands for barstool radio on Thursday night is eagles giants at the medal. It also could be gained five Yankees, Red Sox, which sucks for me because I wanna go to Boston, but I can't. I wanna do a live show there. They won't let us. So hubs will be there. You won't fucking ups. Actual question now before I know you're gonna make fun of me and it's fine. I'm never gonna. Like if I was actually at Fenway four, the section ten live show and then partied around the park all fucking day and took a picture right there was everyone wants to do it. You want to say events and your off you'll say you were there. That's five did not. I could have been there, but I'm good fucking friend and went to a birthday party that I was very unhappy about. Like not the fact that I do the birthday party. I wasn't happy about the fact that it was during the Ainum Kentucky game and the Red Sox Yankees, but I was down there all day. I don't see anything wrong with that. If I drove into take the picture and drove away, that would be a problem. But I was around all day. Is a great way then the by cast the picture. That's someone just posted. I mean, if I didn't know any better, I'd say this is like I dated this girl or something with that. Oh my God. Wow, podcasts on. Yeah. I mean, I can't. You know who that is. No time hop reminded me has been far too long since I've seen me of knowing idea where this is definitely not you though. Right? Or me courses me, that's him. What do you mean? I know if it was a look alike. I'm wearing an old row hat. I have no idea when this is from. What a wild podcast is has been getting distracted quite a bit. I gotta get on. I gotta get on the blog and just qualify that. Casey, wasn't it. A long day. Back to your. Holy shit. This game was so great. Like or obviously it wasn't great because David price stinks, like I didn't even act like I was at the Game. Boy. You did act like, no, I didn't. I mean, my Instagram stories showed clearly. I was not who acted like you. Fenway park? No. You acted like you're at the game? No, I didn't. I mean, I went to the fucking show at casket flag and I went around all day. I would say. Okay, see once again. That's why I didn't try to pretend like I was. No, I didn't. Context. Of course, you did. If I wanted to go to the game, I just picture in front of like the gate entrance with people. Yes, that was Yawkey up. I was down there drinking all day. Dave. It wasn't like I was like, oh, I just want to drive in take, hey, Uber, take me down here so I can take a fake photo. I was actually there and on my story, I was not pretending like they're okay. I would have taken a picture inside Fenway wanted people to think that. Well, I'm just going to clarify. Picture. Maybe you want to put that on. Right. Yeah, it won't even talk about that, but I am going to clarify for your benefit that you weren't at that game. I never pretended to be well, you did. That's why I'm gonna. I mean, all the people like at the show new I wasn't going to. It wasn't like, oh, yeah, we'll see you when I was like, no, actually I'm going to go to a party and then we're going to go watch them McGregor fine. I never said anything else. Great. Great. Show. Moving Connell, Donald child in me. China, keep it piece, whether there was this job for me, dumpling it up at six AM cut, or you know how like when you love me. Oh, me. I'm. Others. Dave from God's plan. Guys plan. I hope and sometimes I won't.

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Hour 1: 6/24/19

The Paul Finebaum Show

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Hour 1: 6/24/19

"Plants capture CO two. What if we could help industrial plants capture it to thank you? We could help lower emissions. It's one way. Exxon Mobil is helping industrial plants be more like plants. The Paul finebaum show podcast has been brought to you by the Capital, One sabre card earned four percent cash back on dining and entertainment. Two percent grocery stores and one percent on all other purchases. Now when you go out you cash in what's in your wallet terms apply. Cried passion, then Patrie of college football lives here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. Very good afternoon. We have made it to another week of last full week of June a lot going on, and we will get started. Mmediately. If not sooner. Yeah. As we were wrapping up on Friday afternoon, this dropped radically after everyone had gone home for the day, US, UGA dismissing wide receiver Holloman after an incident that had occurred more than a year. Earlier, breeding, a lot of questions to just when did you know, and what made their decision final Friday night, regardless, they are without their best wide receiver heading into the nineteen season. Meanwhile, a very sad news to pass along Gary Pinkel who stepped down at Missouri. A couple years ago due to cancer had apparently beaten the cancer. And now we learn sadly, that the cancer has reoccurred. We certainly are thinking of coach in his family. That's a very difficult time. While this came up on our program about scheduling, we put up a chart that showed it wasn't easy for Alabama to schedule. But they still had one of the worst if not worse, schedule in the country, that tweet got a lot of play and Gregor in the director did something unusual. Maybe not too wise. He responded on Twitter, cease will hurt wrote about it yesterday in his column and I understand some of the frustration by by eight people, they do, get Georgia on the on the conference schedule the next couple of years. The problem is they're non conference. Schedule. There's no chooses and Greg Byrne can consume crag back at anyone he wants on Twitter? But all he does is makes the example of their schedule this year even worse. So we'll get into that a little bit. Of course, your phone calls, of course, but tonight at seven pm the college World Series we're down to two teams one from the SEC, of course Vanderbilt and Michigan one of the last teams to get in. I was thinking today talking to Danny, and Mark. Do we know anyone Michigan? Yes, we do. We know Jim Harbaugh who. Who two years ago called me, Pete finebaum. In this tweet. He said Pete finebaum. The unabashed SEC water carrier really needs to get his facts, straight hash. Mark #alternativefacts, but that was the big story and since then we've still been trying to work out a conversation between the two of us. And I thought you know what we got it. That's have a friendly robbery euro, it's ever friendly bet. And just put out this tweet a moment ago with the SEC facing Michigan and the college World Series finals friendly challenged him. I good friend, Jim Harbaugh if you m wins, I'll wear a Charles Woodson, there's some significance to that. If you live. In big orange country. Jersey to one of your practices. If in win the vandy boys when you become an SEC water carrier for a day. So we just put this tweet out a minute ago. And I've been doing the beginning of the show. I have we heard from coach Harbaugh Mark, Danny anything, any news from Ann Arbor. No. Nothing yet nothing yet from coach. Okay. Well, I mean, do you do you know how difficult it would be for a Tennessee graduate to head to Michigan wearing Charles Woodson jersey anyway, we've got the two water jugs, right here, by the table? In case it listen, I'm an optimist. And I think being the competitive person that Jim Harbaugh is he will respond. I mean, this is not stupid. We're not bidding helmets or hats or. You know, a product of Nashville, a country music album versus some export of Michigan. By the way, does Michigan have an export? Dan ear smart guy. Marcus smart guy. Do they have anything in, in Ann Arbor, to that's, that's a suburb of Detroit is dead anything up there that I would want, or you would want just going to say, navy fourth-round draft picks, but kid rock album kid rock albums. That's actually Harbaugh's actually trying to respond. He's on Twitter, desperately searching for Pete finebaum right now. Right. Well, listen. I don't really first of all, I don't have to worry about going up there. Vanderbilt's going to win probably wrap this thing up in two games or the best team in in baseball Michigan's good. I'm I've been a fan and the, the Vanderbilt Michigan. Access is pretty pretty pretty strong. But I hope he responds. I think it'd be great for, for sports to have Jim Harbaugh have some fun for once in his life anyway, let's get to the call today. Five to four two seven two eight five. We have a big guest list as well. Steve Berkowitz from USA today. He'll join us in few minutes. And what about the HP c he returns to the show talking season after all, and Jeff Brazilio is there realignment in the wind just because you con- is changing conferences, or is that much ado about nothing? You can call now. Eight five five two four to seven to eight five eight five five to four to seven to eight five one other story. We'll get to later in the show, and that's what's going on. That Auburn university you may have seen another news dump late. And I mean very late like close to midnight on Friday night. It was reported that Steve Leach. The president of Auburn is out pretty much run out by the board of trustees. Why is that significant? He is the man. He is the man who gave Gus malzahn that seven year, forty nine million dollar contract pretty much going against the wishes of the board of trustees. He had one, one critical and keyboard member on his side. Now he is out J Gucci. Former president who retired three years ago, has been brought back to clean up the mess and what it means to the athletic department. Any buddies guest, but we'll get your calls on that as well, it eight five five to four to seven to eight five, let's start with rock in Columbus, Georgia. Rocker? Right. Had. Ball. You don't today. We are doing great. Thank you good as good a little frustrated. But at the same time, it seems like is just every year, somebody from UGA has the has a I guess, not clearly thinking or whatever with the situation with Judy holliman. Now, my thing is did they obvious. I got two questions. One thing that they already know this previously, or does this something that just popped up in seemed like that. You know you kinda find out something like is within a whole year in for now just to react at it. Now is boom. Like that's why. Rock. I, I don't know the answer. I'm waiting for someone from Georgia. Maybe give us some more information we had a bunch of people on Friday night at the time. Nobody really knew. It's hard for me to believe that this incident went unnoticed by Georgia rice. But I don't know. Okay. And then the second part was I will, I will, I will say, what anybody else would disagree with saying Kirby's needs to be held to a standard, which he's been doing an excellent job as compared to mart was his recruiting the, the records of kind of eerily similar kinda of me to the fire. When people say, well, we ought to give a bit of the doubt now to enough back coaching decisions in the playoff game. I mean with the desperate championship game and with the SEC championship game, but I like to tell the fans that, you know, we need stuff getting into relaxed motives and everything's going to be fine. I mean some things that just obvious hopefully that he can learn from these mistakes that he's done. But my sense is I'm just trying to ask you what do you think as far as going ahead? You think that maybe this is our year? Or maybe we maybe two three years still out Rocco actually, the answer is I don't know. Thanks for the call. On paper, I think Georgia has as good a team has had in memory, but it really kind of Alabama season last year comes down to a couple of plays. And Georgia's case, I think they have a real really good shot or running the table during the regular season. So can they beat Alabama? Comes down to that really to two years in a row, they haven't been able to. But that may change. Anyway, lots to do on the program. Look forward to talking to you here and give us a ring at eight five five two four two seven two eight five. We have a lot to do today. Still no word from Jim Harbaugh. So anyone has seen coach Harbaugh today. Either hit us up on the phones or Twitter. We would like to know where he is. And what is he doing because this bets on as far as we're concerned? Tried passion, then pageantry of college football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one pint cast. New and the phone number eight five five four two seven two eight five. Gary in Virginia he Gary. I'm here. We'll good luck. Can we do for you? Just asking about if you guys in hurt any information on blacks, you're transferring out of Virginia. Take he went to Tennessee and Kentucky this weekend. But I hadn't heard nothing since I tell you what we haven't, we'll update you if we do. But thank you for asking Pete is Gusta Georgia. How are you? Pete. I'm doing Well, Paul. How are you today? Quite well. Thank you. Number one. I'm a Georgia, obviously Augusta Georgia both of my daughters and all my money went to the university of Georgia, but being a native ohioan and the Harbaugh brothers have being native Ohioans. I couldn't stand Jim Harbaugh because he was a turncoat and went to the university of Michigan that was for starters, then he went to the Chicago Bears after Michigan, and he was an embarrassment. They're never liked him in San Francisco when he was a coach. At least his brother had the decency to go to Miami university. And now, of course coaching in Baltimore so Harbaugh is not one of my favorites, but I will give him credit being a suburb of Detroit, and then Arbor, the. That don't forget Detroit gave us classic Motown. They will. You're right. I I don't wanna short sell Detroit. Some of the greatest music. That the that century still is true. True outta love. Aretha Franklin, even though she's dead. Still, you're, you're absolutely right about that. Okay. Now, as far as Georgia, I thought I read, and it goes local Augusta paper Saturday, I think it was, I thought that Georgia acknowledged they knew all about this. But until holliman until he got that hearing which I guess he just had last Thursday. They didn't take any action and the hearing was not good. And that's when they immediately immediately dismissed. Yeah, there's no way they couldn't have known. Yeah. They knew composite. Yeah. Going guidance point that distinction out. Yeah. Okay. So that's it. Thank you very much. Thank you. We've got one good thing Detroit. At one time produced a lot of cars didn't they? It is in Mississippi. Hello, add all how you doing, buddy? Doing great. Listen, Paul Jackson, Mississippi Jackson sports talk radio. I'm we've talked to several times, both downs Bill. He had a piece on this morning where he mentioned, I believe that LSU received a letter of intent to investigate a alumni. I don't know what it says something about someone from the limit. I'm busy I half million dollars from the from the university and pay the football player. And this was in. Yeah. Yeah, the story this is this is the one hundred and eighty thousand dollars from foundation. Right. Listen. I have not heard they've received a letter from the NC, double A. I mean this is a report. That's what bowl down said this one. I wouldn't argue with bows, intelligence level, when it comes to the NC, double A. But if Bokan tell us that they've received the letter maybe he'll give us a ring right now. Okay. We'll go Paul pay some as I was very disappointed about. I watched the interview with the van to be coach about the pay the pay situation, these coaches and Paul, this is just not right. What do you think about that? Yeah. Tim Corbin has been very outspoken there. There's certainly a feeling that baseball gets short shrift on scholarships on, on pretty much everything I, I must say that I don't. I usually try to give an opinion on everything. I can't I don't I don't know enough about it to. I mean I I'm gonna I'm going to defer to coach Corbin. If he believes it he he's in the business. I'm not I trust him on that. It seems to me a lot of people say, you know, the revenue is simply not there for these, it's not. College. Baseball is a great sport, by the way and you're seeing in many parts of the country. These new stadiums. I mean, the one we just saw opened in, in not in bad road that one too. But in, in starkville, it's simply unbelievable. I mean every every school is up grading baseball stadiums. But in terms of shoes revenue, I'm sure, because of a lot of reasons it's, it's not it's not anywhere near the level as other sports. But, but I think he's right about what he has had to say, unfortunately, people don't listen to baseball folks other than about three or four weeks out of the year. Thank you for the call more phone. Call today eight five five to four to seven to eight. Five Allen is in Alabama. You're on the air. Go right ahead. Are you talking to me? Okay. I wonder. No, you think with the president evolving leaving is Gus malzahn stays number. Yeah. I think I think it was a body blow for Mao Zedong to lose the, the one person in a fischel Audran that has been behind him. And that is that was the president. Stephen leash athletic director there. Came in after the fact. And when we interviewed him a few weeks ago, I didn't really feel like you said, anything of great substance, I mean, he defended mel's on right out of a, a boilerplate defense. But since no one really thought he would be heavily involved in that decision with the president there without the president. I think it just comes down to how malzahn performs on the field. I think especially if it's a close call. Mouths on was a close call last year. He survived close call this year. He will have he will have a safety net. Thanks. Thank you. That is a big story. I know we haven't really talked much about it in the first few minutes, but losing your president. When when he's the one who stood up for you a couple of years ago. And he and really, I've never completely understood the malzahn, conundrum at Auburn. He is like I don't think there is a tremendous ground. Swell to get rid of him. I just don't think there's a lot of people that are that would fight to the death to keep them either. It it's a really interesting situation, and I'd like to carry on this conversation throughout the program. If you have if you have an opinion on that, but without without the president who gave you your life raft. How does the situation change and in males on skates? If he has a bad year. I don't think it matters. I think it's really more of the gray area. What is what if what if it's right on that line of demarcation? Tommy is up next and South Carolina. Hello. Tommy. April second time caller. How are you today? We were doing great. Thank you. You were talking last week about football in the seventies in brought to mind something I used to listen to the radio house won't ask you, if you remember a syndicated radio show. Call letters losers. Yeah. Sure. I remember the true. Allow was this interest. What was he actually sent a kid out of Athens, Georgia, I don't know if it was Athens, but it was pretty close. It was it was somewhere. It was Leonard plus stereo, so think is his name. Thank you used to say on the radio host toast. It's. Yeah, but yeah, he was in. He was in a small city in Georgia. It was a great show, by the way it was. But I, I was trying to remember was he Mary accurate. You remember you know, I don't know of anyone really listened to it for that. It was more just something to entertain. But I, I don't know whether ever got one, right? Or not. Well, I just remembered that showed I was go trying to drum up some memories. Yeah. I have that, that's that has come up a couple of times. I believe I met him once. But it was a it was on for a long time. It was a very successful show. Appreciate camp promotion. You have a good day and enjoy your show. Thank you very much. Yeah. It's his name was Leonard posted Terry. Oh, I believe Mt. Yeah. He was from Athens, by the way. You're you're a hundred percent correct. He's a, a graduate of UGA, he died about eighteen years ago. But he he he just had a great way of, of making football in into a fun sounding. Entertaining old school old small town type of literature. Hey, thank you for the call redo appreciate it. We're up against the break member of guests will be dropping by hear more on the game tonight up in over in Omaha. Still waiting for Jim Harbaugh to respond to keep checking. I've not heard from him. Steve Burke, which from USA today will join us next. Cried passion, then pageantry of college football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast. Will welcome back. Glad you're with us and a lot going on. And we are covering one of these most interesting stories, including this one from USA today. California schools could be banned from championships Bill isn't dropped. This is a lightness situation. C Berkowitz, a great reporter investigative journalists for USA today has looked into this and we are going to try to get him. To explain really what fell about see, thanks so much. I'm glad we got you a smart journalists because I can't figure this thing out. Thanks for the time. Well, first of all, thanks for saying that I'm smart. Well, it doesn't the people out there who would take issue with this. I being a former newspaper guy, I think, well, I was about to correct myself. I was I think the fact that you're, you're in the business and still working and gainfully employed makes you very smart. Because most of his heart still working. Those of us who are still visit to say you're the one is very. But you, you are smart enough to to get a bigger title than than a lot of us. On on the on the editor row of big involved with projects and other things. Way. Anyway, I'll, I'll mean not being too smart. I'm going to defer to you now. And maybe if you wouldn't mind Steve take through. How we got to this point. And what does it really mean? Sure. I mean what do with this started, as, as a as a Bill in the California state Senate, the intent of which is to give athletes at public and private colleges in the state of California, the ability to get money from the use of their own name image. And likeness that's the basic that's the basic thrust and the basic intent of the Bill, and what has happened is that the Bill has made its way maize way through the state Senate legislative process through consideration of committees and some amendments, and then it was voted on by the full Senate, and it was approved by thirty one to four margin. And it is now gone to the state assembly where it again, is starting to go through the assembly. The committee process and tomorrow, one of the two committees that initially have to deal with the Bill is holding a hearing and his scheduled to vote on whether to advance the Bill. So. As we as we go down legislative chaos here. If this thing goes through. The NCW has warned about allowing is it. Oh, is it all teams to participate in the NC double A tournament? Well, I mean, any any team where an athlete would really if you were to game this out any athlete, or any, any athlete who would be making money off of their name, image and likeness under which would be allowed by California law. But barred under the NCWA rules would risk their eligibility and therefore the eligibility. You know, the, the eligibilty of team though where you have sanctions against the team or whatever. I mean if you were to game this all out. So that's what that's what this is coming down to, you know, the letter that Mark Emerson to the chairs of the two committees in the assembly that are to be the first ones to take this up. You know, it didn't say exactly those words, he didn't say if this then that what the what the letter said was that Indian pairs. The NCAA's ability to hold you know, fair national championships. And I think it's, it's a fair reading of this, if you read between the lines, what the NC double A is getting at now, if the Bill were to go through the assembly and be signed by the governor, which I believe if the assembly passes, the Bill, I think there's about one hundred percent chance of Gavin Newsom. We'll sign this into law, and then, you know, we'll see what happens. I mean, the NC double A has a standing committee, that's looking at this issue, and the supposed to be coming back with some recommendations about potentially, how to change the NCAA's rules around athlete's ability to gain compensation from use of their name, image, and likeness, and what data produce this hard to say, but the final report from that NCAA committee is in due to be submitted to the NCW is board of governors their top rules, making group until October, which is about a month after to Cal. Legislative session ends and keep in mind that the legislation in California, even were to become law that law would not take effect until January one of twenty twenty three so you still have time for this to be hammered out in, by the way, I think North Carolina is considering other states are as well. And I'm just wondering you mentioned the long game here. But in the short term, at least perceptively, Stephen, maybe, there are more important things than this. It just seems like the NCW is going to come out of this looking very bad. Well, I mean, Nancy AA is doing what it would it tries to do, which is defended defended system. I mean up to this point, the NCAA central office that, you know that Mark Amherst, the folks who work in Indianapolis have kind of stayed out of this and left the lobbying in California to representatives of the university of California system. The Cal State system, a consortium of private schools, individual athletics, directors the Pac twelve conference and so forth, and, you know, they've tried to sort of stay out of the fray, a little bit here, and I think, for sure there's concerned by the NCWA as an association overall, they don't want states. They don't want better court making their rules for them. They want the ability and they believe they legally have the ability to, as they put it superintendent their own their own setups. So that's you know, that's sort of what they're, that's what this sort of the principle that they're fighting for is their ability to sell. Determine their own rules, Steve. Events take place in, in California. I mean, the national championship took place out there recently. But, but I'm thinking more in terms of, of basketball, regionals, other sports, that are, that are orchestrated and staged out there would would do we know if the NCW would wipe those events out as well. I have no idea whether they would not hold championships in the state of California. It's just, you know, the, the implication here is that if the schools in the state of California are playing by one set of rules and the rest of the schools across the country are playing by different set of rules, then the schools in the state of California won't be able to compete against the, you know, for championships against schools, and other states, I am interested because the it doesn't seem like it doesn't seem like they can do any raw. Right. And when I'm talking about is the Pac twelve run by Larry, Scott. They. Been involved in this or they tried to ameliorate the situation or are they are they lone, man out. No, it's my understanding that people from the pack twelve and from Pac twelve schools have spoken to stay legislators. I mean, during Senate floor debate about this. There was reference made to conversations that state senators had had with athletic directors from schools around the state. So I'm assuming that Pac twelve would be among those that would have been reaching out, you know, so there's been effort made. But, you know, again listening to the debate that was had, which is available on on video. And if people are interested, you can find it on the California legislature website. It's still available through to be viewed, you know, there's just, you know, a lot of feeling on those folks that athletes ought to have this to have this ability to, to make money in this way, and they are willing to risk this run this risk with the state of California in the hope that they can force broader change by the NCAA, which is something that. California legislators have done a variety of issues, nationally, not just, you know in college sports. So they've been they've done this in college sports as well. But, you know, for example, the car emission standards, that are in place in California, sort of set the standard for the entirety of the country. And this is being fought over now. You know with the Trump administration. So this is not new territory for legislators in the state of California to try to, to force change nationally based on their own sensibilities of what's right. And what's not, then there's always a political aspect or the usually a political aspect of everything in this case is there is there a way for these two sides to find any common ground, or he incidentally, so dug in on, on his basic principles on this subject that you're not going to see an accommodation. I it's hard for me to see where there's a point of compromise. When you're talking about the issue of principle, and the and the principal issue for the NC double A at this point isn't necessarily defending system in saying, okay, we'll ask. Elites, you know, shouldn't be allowed to make money off their name, image and likeness. I, I don't think that's what Mark Emerson has said. Either Amherst has said that he would, you know, he's fine with this conversation being had within the membership of the association with the association gets dug in about is the notion that these sociation that is the member schools should be given the ability to make the rules themselves and not have the made not have the rules made for them. Obviously, the counter to that is, well, you know, the schools acting very interests, not in the interest of, of athletes, and that you're in, or too many instances, not in the interest of athletes, or fairness with athletes, and that day need to have their you know, they'd need to have to be pushed. So that's where you have this point of contention. Steve Berkowitz from USA USA today on fairly complex issue that I feel a little smarter Steve. Thank you very much. You, you prove my original prediction. Correct. You are very smart because I now know more about this when I did before. Well, thank you, definitely, appreciate you. Haven't me back on again. Steve, it's always a pleasure. We're usually pepper you with a question after question about coaching salary. So we'll say that for the next time around come back soon. Thank you very much. Outstanding. Reporters Steve Burke, woods from USA today. We are heading toward a break. Steve Spurrier and other Steve, who is also very smart. He'll join us in the next hour and your phone calls as we continue. Book cried passion, and patron Torri of college football leaves here is the Paul finebaum show. Our one podcast, but eight five five two seven two eight five. And again, we, we put out this friendly bet with Jim Harbaugh starting to get a little traction still nothing from her father. Greg is up next in Athens, Alabama. Hello, greg. Hey, Paul hatred for taking my call that you've ever. We'll hear from Jim. Now he doesn't like drinking healthy nutritious, SEC water. You're right about that. Anyways, I call it the Stephen leaf firing over the weekend. And my first thought was well there goes Gus malzahn, and I think we're really impacts him is in as you call it a gray area. So no. Essentially be wins by who he wins or loses to and most of the my Auburn friends around here, get frustrated with us, not necessarily for the record. It's the inconsistency and, you know, losing or beating Alabama and Georgia one year but losing three or four games. And after his, you know, auspicious beginning in two thousand thirteen everybody thought that this was going to be an upward trajectory. And it's been more like EKG rating system. So I, I think that's the problem for Steven leave. Four Gus malzahn, and then another thing is I read this morning, is that Clemson conducted the investigation about its PD use, and the use of Austrian or whatever. And when I released the results signing privacy laws, but I think that's kind of red herring because you can release the testicle figures without releasing personal data. Did you read that story? I have not dug into it as much as you have it. I will. Yeah. So it just kinda interesting because if you've got nothing to hide then you can put it out there. They signing laws. And as one who's worked with for there's a lot of ways to get information out legally that doesn't include putting student, names or personal data into those, and I just don't you know, I think forty or one of those guys who riders premium information request in got some heavily redacted information back from the university, which doesn't say anything, of course. So I just thought that was interested as well. I hope I hope coach Harbaugh takes up your your mantle and will accept your challenge. So would be easy your gas gas. He won't though. It seems like it'd be it's too much fun for Jim to do something like this. Yeah. He's he is. You know, I remember Colin cowherd, interviewed him on radio show on with ESPN remember that wouldn't here, but winter of, and it was almost as bad as that ten minutes, you had with Richard and Bama, Nick and his wife the other night. It'd be objective. I don't think anything was that bad. Greg. I mean, we have not even reached the halfway Mark of the year. That would come Friday that wraps up the first half of the year force or next Monday and already that is leading Lee in strong leading consideration for the worst call of the your, that's the. When you speak about the heights of radio. Dan is the death valley of the final show. That is that's as bad as a guest. We always great to hear from the Greg. Thank you very, very much. Johnny unit. Lanta you're on the air. Go right ahead. How you do it. We are great. Thank you great. Great, great anyway. Couple of comments winners losers. Got talked about earlier. They was Clinton just indicated radio show. Leonard actually had a potent down full page publication. It was available all of the Atlanta package. Snore. Now I did not realize that. Yes, yes. But I wanted to actually some funny about hardball course I certainly don't think he going to take phone. You bet. Thirdly, until don't know your name, but he came down. To football camp and see to go high school and Kent County about three years ago for cedar grove is where the Hazelwood kid came out of this past year to live from Georgia to Oklahoma the receiver, but he was down there in football camp. And he shows up and of all things in that Landau Braves. Hey Darren baseball. Wow. Jersey. Yeah. I mean, I and knock on I'm sixty five years old. Okay. Buddy. Knows about Hank you. But, you know, kids to me, love them, have no. I do Hank, you it is for the call. All shows up with a Manta phrase. Hey, care in jersey on that found that pretty damn comical. You know, pretty common, I think Jim has a kind of a warped sense of humor. I spent I spent a long time talking to his brother-in-law about him in full disclosure. Coach Crean was trying to come together. Beating you'll have a beer summit between the two of us. I, I really was going to do it for entertainment purposes. Didn't really matter a whole lot one way or the other. But anyway, thanks for the call. Coach is up next coach go right ahead. Thanks for taking my call Paul. Thank you prediction. You will not hear from Jim Harlow unless you up, the ante and agreed to where the Charles Woodson jersey and seeing the Michigan fight song. Oh, listen. I mean, if I go to Michigan practice I can assure you I'm not gonna I'm not going halfway. I'll learn I'll learn on west on wiscon- held Vickers. I'm sorry. And. I'll it all even dot the I in Michigan. The house today. That's, that's what a robot. Impulse one question with Yukon possibly going back to the big east, which looks like that's going to happen. Yes. Do you think that's just the death of the football program? Well, first of all the definite football program is when they brought Randy Edsel back for the second go around this is this is the official death. One stat I thought I saw the other day, which I wasn't sure. And maybe you know, this is it true that you con- women have never lost a conference game since two thousand thirteen in math league conference that, that, that, that is true. Yes. I think I saw they were hundred twenty and a and their average margin of victory in the conference was forty point seven points. That's got to be a wreck coach. I hate to run. We're up against the break at the end of the hour. Three more to go. Thank you.

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What Are We Doing, Here?

Championship Drive

55:14 min | 2 years ago

What Are We Doing, Here?

"It getting knocked down on the football field makes you tough. But getting back up makes you tougher at Goodyear, we call that determination a willingness to put in more hours more reps and more of heart to reach a bar that sky high because the Goodyear blimp doesn't show up for just anybody. So don't be just anybody the blimp worthy. Good here. More driven. This program is brought to you by ice cold Dr Pepper, the official drink of fans. This is campus conversation now, here's your host match. Jerry Wilson throw. Okay. I was waiting for the I didn't need a single break. Coal Missouri is absolutely stunned. Thanks to the GM. I j m sports network Kentucky is in a division championship game this weekend controls its own destiny in the SEC air for the college football playoff leasing leaving most of us, very confused. That may be why I've amazed L showed up for the podcast half hour early today. Hello, ivan. I've had a great conversation. Talking to myself the last half hour as usual, it's fascinated. Nobody interrupts I it's really been great stink campus conversation with one man. Taking part with amazed by the way has the story online about Alabama football. Whether it's the best team of all time in Alabama history. Great quote in there from Ivan Mays L who says there are people in assisted living who aren't as well rested. As the Alabama skill position players was very well that Ryan McGee neither well rested nor in assisted living. Hello, ryan. No, I didn't have launched an assisted living center yesterday. But I'll tell you about my mother-in-law later now, it's great. I'm doing is a fantastic weekend. And once again, we thought we knew what was going to happen. And I don't think we actually did. But it was that's how I like it looking forward to your extra point about your mother-in-law's lunch. Yep. Yep. Yep. Time did come out of the tunnel on campus conversation. Clemson and Notre Dame. They remain unbeaten Georgia wins. The first top ten match up in the SEC this season in week nine McGee mentioned it. We had a lot of upsets at least in terms of the rankings. We had eight ranked teams lose to unranked teams tied for the most in a single week in eight P poll history. So that since nineteen thirty six in the in the latest poll, Ohio State moves up three spots to number eight proving that not playing a game as much better than getting house by Purdue McGee go back to this weekend. Here who had the most impressive performance from week nine. We're talking about individuals. We're told my teams take it anywhere you want. Well, I mean, listen, I draw Georgia lose LSU. I was at that game. And it wasn't. It wasn't ten minutes after the game in the conversation. We're having curvy smart is about rebounding. And what do you do? And he pointed across the field and said, the example, we have we need is. Right there in LSU. They lost the Florida bounced back and played, you know, great against us and thought that Georgia whatever message he sent they received it because Georgia looked like Georgia. We've been waiting on that team that we saw on Saturday all season long and then individually. I think very quietly the big twelve quarterbacks or reminding everyone that maybe we shouldn't forget about them quite so quickly and the husband talk. Yeah. It's interesting. We did see, you know, obviously Kyla Murray played well and even etlinger in a loss for Texas showed some flashes Taylor, Cornelius who will Greer about a month ago, and we'll Greer certainly in that win over Baylor before the weekend began, and you mentioned you mentioned Georgia me Jake from there were folks who who are not at practice and don't aren't allowed into practice. We're saying it's time to give Justin fields many more reps and get ready. It's the by week. So it means more Justin field. Justin fields took as many snaps on Saturdays. I did and Jake from goes six for seven on third downs and had more touchdown passes on third down against Florida three of them than in the first seven games this season combined as they get the win thirty six to seventeen. Here's a here's one of those touchdowns from Jake from from back to throw good protection down to the near sideline of one. Touchdown Terry Godwin. Cutting across the field from left to near side white from hit him on the fly took it the last two yards by himself a huge touchdown from Georgia BULLDOGS that call courtesy of ESPN radio. They went at thirty six to seventeen Ivan what else stood out to you. Impressive performance from the weekend. What will certainly I would join y'all and saying how impressive Georgia was. I mean that that. I just thought Florida had the momentum going into the game. And and I was proven wrong. And you know, the great discussion of that in the first half hour before y'all got on the podcast. So I don't want to be labor. Did you talk at all about how this is? Now Jake from team, and it always has been, and maybe there's just a lot of outside noise of of people who just. I'm so tired of repeating myself on this show. Okay. And the guy was talking with agreed with him at every turn is great. Scary. Now seriously. Clemson, obviously remarkable. You know, you're impressed by how Clemson play. But also it's just been five years since Florida state did the same thing to Clemson at Clemson in this rivalry into measure, the paths of those two programs over the last five years is just that's what I kept thinking about during that first window Saturdays is how far. These two teams have gone in opposite directions. Yeah. I want to get to Florida state. I was in Tallahassee for that with with radio game day and get to that in a moment. Other impressive performances from the weekend. How about Matt Colbourn Wake Forest running back one of the first commits to Bobby Pacino's two thousand fifteen recruiting class and just before signing day. He was asked to Gracia, which means you put off your enrollment and you're not on scholarship right away. The senior had touchdown runs of seventy four fifty six at twelve yards in the win over Louisville. And he rushed for two forty three. That's the fifth most in Wake Forest history. So congrats to to Matt Colbourn for rub it in a little bit making that seat of between. Oh, a little bit warmer than it already was. And then Washington state now has three straight wins over Stanford four straight over Oregon. I mean, the playoff needs Gardner Menchu Ivan did do they not? I mean washing. State with with the way, he looks and the way this team is playing right now that would get there. But that'd be a fun story and Mike Leach is proving what we already suspected as he's a pretty good college football coach. Well, it was a terrific game from start to finish. You know? There was not really a a moment of where the the action slowed and you can say, okay. Nine hundred forty yards means no defense. But we're we're a little bit used to that with Washington state. The surprising thing was that Stanford sort of adopted the Washington state offensive philosophy. David Shaw, very. Wiley and his changing his his offensive stripes. And and Stanford responded really, well, but you know, it came down to one possession in the second half. And Stanford scored too quickly at the end of the game. They gave Washington state and Menchu a minute and a half. And they went down and kicked a field goal. It was a terrific game start to finish. And today on Twitter if you watched. Watched over the weekend. You saw a game day sign from it might have been from Pullman. But you had a sign that showed remember that George Costanza picture the timeless art of seduction, and they put Mike leeches head on their instead of Costanza 's and there's a picture from Washington state, cougar football of Mike Leach standing there with the fans who had the sign and he's with the sign itself, and and Mike Leach tweets Washington state fans are real and they're spectacular. So well done Mike Leach SE continues to to win it all in all both on and off the field. How about a disappointing performance McGee something that really made? You really is that is that how we're doing this right now. Well, I I mean, listen, I think that the demise of Washington over the last couple of weeks has been little stunning, you know, and and it's just they can't score. And you know, all. Respect Cal who's I think better than we thought they were going to be. But it's just that that part really really surprised me. And then, you know, I I'll believed that Iowa was gonna win it Penn State after I had seen island person that we've seen before. And and they just made bad decisions. I normally there. So the sound when it comes to whatever the game plan is. But there were there were certainly some okay. Is that that's the play. We're going with in this situation. It was an interesting is. So those are two teams that I thought certainly we all believe that Washington had a chance to make the playoff at the start of the year. Now, they have three losses, and I will was a team that I really believed could maybe sneak into door at least at least be the annual big ten champion who. Who gets to complain about the committee when it all it was all said and done I thought maybe they at least get to be this case Ivan back to Jake Browning in Washington. So he's benched in the third quarter against Cal and the second pass from the backup. Jay cantor goes for pick six they lose twelve ten Brown and goes eleven to twenty one for buck. Forty eight touchdown in a pick their six three out of the north and not out of the north race. But out of any national conversation, thankfully, the FBI. No longer has them as the favourite from the bag twelve to to have a shot at the college football playoff. But I haven't to to mcgee's point Browning in year four under coach Peterson that that is one of the more surprising regressions that you've seen here in college football. Well, it is. And it's I won't penitent Tirlian Jake Browning. They have no threat on the perimeter where we were used to John Rawson, Dante Pettis lasts two years, and they may Jake Browning. Look, very good. We didn't realize how good they worked till they left, but, you know, Washington Scott nothing to replace him and defenses figured that out. You know, I. I would say as long as we're talking disappointments that if anybody could explain Oregon to me in particular, or just the entire pack twelve. In general. I I'd be happy to be happy to listen. I it's it could be that everybody is is at the same level. And you know, I I actually laid Saturday night figured out. It's not that difficult for all sixteen and the in the south to finish either five and four or four and five. So that could be a lot of fun. It's it's really I mean, you could say, yeah. How do we figure this out? And maybe you answer the question. The teams are all about the same maybe outside of Washington state, and even the gap between Washington state, and the rest of the pack isn't that maybe isn't that significant and Utah is hanging out there as well. And they've been fairly dominant over the last few weeks, as well, we mentioned sticking in the Pacho, by the way, I'll I'll just close the book on Colorado here, my alma mater, blowing a thirty one to three lead in the third to lose to Oregon state which shows. You that perhaps perhaps the previous conversation of their chances of zero point zero percent chance to make the playoff. We're accurate after all. So my apologies for taking Heather finished tasks. Yeah. Yeah. What was it zero point what zero zero point zero? And which by the way were also the same chances Oregon state had of making the CASA while playoff now. Now, they're even now they're safe all the teams are the same. We right all all the teams are the same. You mentioned was well how about twenty th I was scores twenty four points without an offensive touchdown. So he had a pair safeties a pick six special teams touchdown on a fake field goal. And they lose to Penn State. You wonder how much you think Ivan that loss hurts the big ten's chances if at all kind of needing that exclamation point of the big ten championship game. If they're in a one loss conversation with. You know, perhaps in Oklahoma or something like that for that final spot? Well, it you know, we all had sort of pin? Some well, I won't speak for everybody. But certainly had Penn. Some my big ten west hopes own Iowa in terms of of the big ten championship game being something that. That would have an impact it as you put it on on the playoff now. You know, I don't know the only team with one loss and the division is northwestern, which which lost Akron. So, you know, and if north western beats Notre Dame Saturday than well know, we'll all fall back in love with the fighting Fitzgerald's. But. Yeah. It's it's I guess should we even be surprised that the big ten west is not showing up to the party. I don't know. I mean, it's just been sort of a pattern. Yeah. Northwestern leading the west of the big ten one of the more. Puzzled look at the division leaders. You got northwestern, Utah, Washington state and Virginia. I mean, these are some of the division winners are leaders. I should say that we're talking about here after week nine we predict we saw. We saw. This is it. It's all your predictions are on ESPN dot com. So we can fact check that. That's exactly how you thought McGee. We started with Kentucky, and they get that untimely down with touchdown pass against Missouri. It was preceded by a pass interference penalty that maybe should have been followed by dejection of the official. It was I mean, I make a you interfered with that receiver about as much from your couch. Is you did as the as the defensive back did but Kentucky finishes is going to finish the season with a winning record and SEC play for the first time at forty one years. Can you kind of put that in perspective? Here's they take on Georgia for a winner. Take all for the east. Well, yeah. Mean I think that that game was kind of the encapsulation of how we all feel about Kentucky. Which is we're watching the game. And I think we all were just kind of waiting on Kentucky to lose because it's Kentucky. And I apologize repeatedly to Kentucky fan saying listen. I just. There's there's that part of me built in part of me. This just has waited all season for them to trip over their own feet or dropped the ball and end zone or the bus breakdown on the way to the stadium because it's Kentucky football. That's just how it's always been. And it's not my fault. That's that's the way that the history of the program is written as you just underlying what that stat. So yeah, it's it's one of the great stories in college football this year, it is. And, you know, the simple fact of matter is is that Missouri should not have been in a position where that pass interference call matter debt, much, and it just it was that was it was not a great closing stanza from zuri, regardless of the last call so. Yeah. It's a great story. And now, you know, you I automatically wanted to say Georgia win, but three touchdowns because Kentucky football and Georgia football and whatever else. But every time I've done that this year Kentucky, his proven me wrong. We talked about a month ago here on this podcast. Brought it up and see low. Agreed when he was on that it looked like Kentucky is after they beat Florida Kentucky and Georgia that was gonna be a good game. With a lot on the line and Kentucky could give them a test. And it looks like they can give them more than that here. This this weekend Missouri, by the way, eight second half possessions. Eight three and outs against Kentucky that that won't help your cause. There you we we talked about Florida state. We talked about just Ivan you did about how they have just it's it's two ships passing in the night. Clemson and Florida state you go back five years, and they're at opposite ends of the spectrum here as Clemson beats Florida. Eight fifty nine to ten it's the largest loss. It ties for the largest loss in seminal history before the game the Tigers largest win against FSU was just by twenty one points and their largest winning Tallahassee was by eleven points that was back in nineteen Eighty-nine. And here they win this one by forty nine. Here's a head coach Willie Taggart after the game. Very disappointing loss embarrassing performance. First time since I've been here. I feel like we have some guys that Kudarat football team. And that can't be tolerated. It's one thing. You can't do you can't quit. If you quit. You don't blaze. Hope we gotta do a great job evaluating film. And making sure we got the right guy. That's out there battling with us on getting every aspect of the game. All fifty especially team bleep did play. Well at all. Let's play will really good football team. We did all the things you can't do this a team like that. That's on me. Coaches in our players and everybody here, and we got to find a way to get that. Right. I was there on Saturday with radio game day ESPN radio with Brad Edwards. Trevor mandatory or outside the stadium for that game and related story. We booked the trip before the season began up, but. The fans in the beginning in the in the start of the second quarter. I should say middle of the second quarter fans are filing out and they start coming by are set, and they start shouting expletives. I'm thinking. Oh, geez. You you really like me. No. It was about Willie Taggart in the team, and how undisciplined they are. And how I can't watch this anymore, and we're out of here and that just kept coming and then in a related story. You also saw the the the guy the professor reading a book up there, an empty seats. It was just that kind of game at MaGee is this rock bottom for for Taggart and Florida state, and what did you make of his comments? Yeah. I think that his comments were and then he also is very pointed toward the recruiter a lot of recruits in the stadium. It was a big recruiting weekend. And so a lot of what he had to say. After the game too was was pointed at those guys to which is you know, you can change this and open your eyes. What was kind of pop out quote? It was everywhere. But yet, I think it's rock bottom. And I think you could see it coming in. Clemson is. As easily among the two best teams in the country. And Florida state easily is not and so I think you kind of sit, but listen to those fans I was at the Virginia Tech game and Marty Smith and our a little platform in the end zone like right up against counter, the cheap seats, and they turned on Taggart half with the third quarter. Like, we were worried about expletives making it out on the air because they were right over our shoulder. And so it was it was it it happened. Very quickly this year and has not gotten any better. So yeah, I think we're uptick we're rock bottom. And now, they're they're playing NC state NC state who thought they were gonna play off two weekends ago. And now they can't get out of their own way. So it'll be interesting to see if anybody just trips trying to get out of the tunnel on Saturday wrong. I've some people may not like Willie Taggart's comments. But I thought they were spot on and I know some will say, well, that's that's as much on him. As it is the team because he's the head coach, and I get that. But there is a weeding out process here. There's a reason JIMBO Fisher left. Yes. It was seventy five million. But he also might have seen. What was going on in Turnley? What did you make of his comments? Why I thought they were terrific. Does not sugar coated. This is who we all right now. And we've got to get it fixed. Anytime, you know, I'm not going to say that I'm an expert. But I think if you have more penalties than first downs in a game. There might be a discipline problem on the field. Sixteen penalties versus fourteen. I now I I don't know that I've ever seen that before. So I gave Willie Taggart a lot of credit for meeting the problem. Head on Lance the boil get it out there. You know, I'm on top of this. I see it. I understand it. We're going to get it fixed. And to your point about, JIMBO. Yeah. There's always going to be transitional issues from one program to the next. But clearly Florida state was tracking downward win, JIMBO left. So I don't know if he fled. Yeah. You'd like to think he would've stuck around and gotten it fixed. But you know, maybe you did flee. I I don't know. I think he did. See I I think it was way worse there than anyone realized. And I think there was an erosion it was happening, and it was happening very quickly. And it's no secret that JIMBO in the administration, basically didn't see anything anymore and that included in same with JIMBO in the fan base. There just it was that was an ugly divorce locally than it has played nationally. And I think that you know, Taggart is suffering a little bit because of that. The Christian Wilkins had twenty two more rushing yards than Florida state did Christian Wilkins had a one yard Kerry for touchdown Florida state negative negative twenty one rushing yards. Clemson was turning this into an Oprah Winfrey. Show where you'll get a touchdown and you'll get a touchdown. Garrett Williams tight end got rushing touchdown soda Christian Wilkins as they were pouring that. And I don't think for a minute that this isn't impactful in recruiting where you show. Hey, you wanna you wanna lose go to Florida state? You wanna win titles? Come to. Clemson. If you didn't already know that look at the scoreboard. You got professor reading a book during the game here at at Florida state. We got a bunch more to get to here. We'll get to walk ons. We'll get two extra points. But I do want to ask you guys here with with all these upsets, what are you? What are you most confident in right now after nine weeks Ivan, we we saw a bunch of ranked teams go down. But if you're hanging your hat on one or two things right now in college football. What is it? Well, I think I think it's it's reasonably safe to be confident in Alabama. That's what I've been working on that story for nearly a month at posted today. Now having said that. Who was it? That tweeted this morning. Oh, she'll hurt in Tuscaloosa news. Who would know Schuessel pointed out this morning that Alabama has never won a national championship a year in which Boston. The Boston Red Sox won the World Series. So he can't even trust that anymore. Maybe I should maybe we shouldn't be confident in Alabama. But I would say I'm confident in Alabama. And I'm confident in the Michigan defense after that. I got nothing. Mcgee. What do you got? Well, I just all due respect to see. So. It's you know. Unless the Red Sox are going to team up with, you know, the steel curtain Steelers, and I don't know give me the greatest soccer team of all time, and they're all gonna play Alabama. I don't know that anyone's going to beat them. I my certainty is that Alabama and Clemson better byles. That's it. And and even when Clemson had a little bit of a hiccup, which they always do that seems they seem to have gotten over that pretty quickly. And so, yeah, my my certainty is that it's the two of them. And then we'll see what happens with everyone else. Bama, Clemson part for likely in a national championship. Not in a semi-final unless either team loses in which case, you could see one of them out of the college football playoff. But we shall see. We got the first rankings coming out on Tuesday night. And it appears Bama Clemson. And then Notre Dame LSU or LSU Notre Dame. He could flip those Michigan might be in there. But probably outside of the top four. Is there a team McGee for? Tuesday night that you're most intrigued to see where they are slotted. Whether it's in the top four or outside of it. Yeah. I'm really curious to see what they do with LSU because I think we all agree that that LSU's better than we thought how do they view the Florida loss? And how did they set up? You know, they're not they're certainly not above whether they're conscious of it or not setting up those really high single digit numbers next to the names of the games coming up. So I mean, listen the LSU Bama game is already the biggest game on planet earth. They have the ability to make you feel even a little bit bigger. So I'm really curious to see what they do with LSU because I think that's the team that we all can probably agree is way better than we thought they were going to be sort of more resilient five wins against power five opponents with winning records. And you guys know because you've done the the Mark selection thing when when they throw you. You tell whoever at the notorious who's in charge of this computer screens, you go. All right. Give me these four teams and throw them up there, and there's like these red bars, and these numbers that identify these were ranked teams, and this is what they were ranked and basically marquee wins. So LSU's going to have a lot of those red bars it more than anyone else. And I'm really curious to see how it affects the room when that when they put a number next time. If I'm I would I would not be surprised if they were number two. I mission to see we're Washington state is their their tenth AP Ivan. How much credit does Washington state get and how much of it is taken away because of the conference they play in. I know that there's hey, I get it. You know, we we don't look at conferences. We look at teams, but that stuff matters in the back of your mind. Well to me, it's it's partly the partly the Pac twelve but it's also Washington state's non conference schedule until Wyoming beat Colorado state Friday night. The Washington state non conference opponents, which were Wyoming, San Jose State. And I think Spokane hi was a third eastern Washington. Otherwise known as Spokane. Hi, okay. Right. Darn it. I was closer than I thought I had one victory against the power five team. Not an F B S. I mean, not a excuse me an F B S team not a power team had one victory against FBI team. So it. You know, that's gonna that's gonna leave a Mark. I think tomorrow night, the voters put Washington state number ten, and I want to measure what the committee does against that. Hi, oh state is sitting there at number eight how does their schedule. Look you gotta win over now a two loss Penn State team. Although that win looks better. Again, the winds change as the season goes on his Penn State beats Iowa, and they also have a non Khan win Ohio State does against TCU team that just lost Kansas. So what do they think of the buckeyes after that by week? And and what do they think of UCF who's hanging out there in the top ten? We're going to get to walk on extra points in a moment, plus talk nerdy to me with Brad Edwards and Matt Morris, but I make sure to tune into my new favorite TV show. It's fans fill presented by Dr Pepper dares every Saturday throughout the college football season during the commercials fans. Ville the only show that stars Dr Pepper puts the spotlight not the pot light. But the spotlight on fans and perfectly captures the emotional roller coaster too. That is the college football season. Critics are saying it's good fans. 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So let's just start with this. Biggest game of the weekend was Florida, Georgia joy. Georgia was the winner Georgia. Because of that is the biggest riser is far as chance to make the playoff, Matt. But there's some interesting things related to Georgia winning that we wanna point out to everybody. Yeah. So Georgia moved up thirteen percentage points about forty three percent chance to make the playoffs. The the primary driver there is they now are in prime position to win the SEC east, and they're considered a better team than they were last week. According to FBI, so Georgia has all of that going for them in gaining thirteen percentage points. Some teams had to lose some percentage points and one of those teams is Alabama. And yes, it went from eighty five to eighty two percent. So not a big drop. But the reason they went down is not think as we think any less then. But because George is now the more clear-cut team through obvious team to be their opponent in the SEC championship game should Alabama get there, and George is considered a slightly better team. So moved down a little bit. But at eighty two percent, I think there are going to be okay. And the biggest faller of the week didn't play. They also have one laws and that would be seven in one Michigan. They moved down to thirty six percent chance to make the playoff the idea. There is another one loss team gained a lot of momentum. Yes. With Georgia affecting Michigan. I think the bottom line here is that as long as the scenario is still alive where Georgia could went out and knock off an undefeated Alabama in the SEC championship game. There is a really high chance that the SEC could get two teams in the off and a lot of people might want to dispute that. But let's just kind of look at it from the standpoint if that happens joy. Is almost certainly in the playoff. It's twelve and one SEC champion. The question is what happens with the twelve and one Alabama. And if you're Michigan if your house state, if you're Oklahoma, that's your weren't your worst nightmare 'cause you went out and then Alabama loses the SEC championship game. And now you're having to take on both of those SEC teams with the selection committee. I'm not saying those teams wouldn't have a chance against Alabama. But given what the committee's done in recent years, it's hard to believe Alabama wouldn't win that battle. So that takes us to something else that want to get into now with the the committee's first rankings of two thousand eighteen coming out tomorrow night, we want to refresh you a little bit on this playoff predicted that we always talk about you always hear about you. See it on TV a lot. What exactly is this playoff predictor trying to do? And where is this information coming from? Okay. So this is entirely based on what the committee's done over the first four years. This isn't something we're building in a lab based on our wins or based on our desires. It's something we're taking all the data points from the committee. We're throwing them into a model, adding some spice, and essentially that those are the numbers that are coming out. The key though is these are numbers that were projecting on selection day. In other words, when we say at Alabama's an eighty two percent chance to make the playoff. We're not saying tomorrow night. And during the first rankings an eighty two percent chance. I think that's one hundred percent we're saying on selection. They have an eighty two percent chance to make. So that's the key. That's the difference between that what the committee is doing tomorrow night. And what we're saying numbers? Okay. So let's look at tomorrow night. Now, even after you've said that which is that the playoff predictor was not designed to tell us what the is going to do at the end of October or the beginning of November. There's some things about the committee's behavior that we can read a little bit into not that we would take this to the Bank, but based on that knowledge of the committee's tendencies, Matt what do you expect to see when these first rankings come out in the top four. I think most people would agree that Alabama Clemson and Notre Dame all undefeated power five teams. They're going to be in the top foreign some some capacity here. The question really is that fourth team and a lot of people would argue that's between LSU and Michigan in the past. And a big driver of ours playoff predictor is strength of record. In other words, how deserving are you in the past like, I said the committee's tended to go. With that. It's a very good predictor over the first four years. LSU is in the top four there. So it would be LSU as the fourth team if we were to go with FBI in other words, the best team, which is what the committee says they wanna do that would be Michigan between those two. And if we were to look at all one loss teams, or at least relevant teams, we're talking Georgia. They have the best FBI Amman LSU Michigan. But I think in this case it's going to be strength of record. So I've been towards LSU being fourteen. Yes. The the committee is much as they say they want the four best typically they start to look at that resume in what they actually give us his foremost deserving. And look, I guess that's fine. As long as as long as everyone's kind of clued into exactly how they're going about it, whatever they whatever they do is what we need to latch onto not what they say. So we'll we'll stay tuned C if we're we're right about tomorrow night. But once again playoff predict or not really concerned with this week. It's concerned about the end of the seasons. Keep that in my. As you see those numbers in the weeks to come. He's not Morris. I'm Brad Edwards. Now back to Matt Schick and the rest of the conversation getting knocked down on the football field makes you tough. But getting back up makes you tougher. We call that determination a willingness to put in more hours more reps and more heart to reach a bar that's sky high because the Goodyear blimp doesn't show up for just anybody. So don't be just anybody. Blimp worthy. Good here. More driven hashtag walk on time. Now to answer your questions on Twitter before we get to the walk on here. Josh macrey are steam producer. Could you tell me what Mike Gundy thinks of maybe walk on the use of Twitter? Arrest about Twitter. Okay. He didn't cash tag. That would walk though. He didn't he didn't hash tag. Did. He did. Well, this is a hashtag. That count. Yes. So so he doesn't care about Twitter. And the last time I was sitting in his office. He just gotten a haircut and had cut his famous moll little bit. And as I'm leaving the office because hey, come back here. Take a picture of my haircut, and let's blow Twitter. He doesn't care about about Twitter. Let's you got a haircut. Oh that is great. Please intersperse that last second out these walkouts questions in tribute to the man who I think the as the man I'm forty is kind of. Okay. It's run out of gas. Yeah. He just gets. Years. Yeah. Yeah. That noise a live in infamous. Matt we have the first question which came from Twitter. It is for you from Tyler Stobie at star craft squall. This is actually my questions pay attention pay attention throw up. We're all five years old. He says, okay. So help me understand this Washington state has a scheduled with four teams in the AP poll wins over two of them are ready in plays nine power five teams. Bam on the other hand has a scheduled with two teams in the people. Just one win so far against them. And also plays nine power five teams. And yet Washington state has no shot, according to all of you. What say you met chick? That's a great question. And a great thing. Great exclamation point on the question as well. Thank you very much. There are a couple a couple of things here with with what has happened one. How the teams are ranked when the game was played is somewhat important. But you also have to understand that teams in rankings change and Stanford and Oregon are now out of the top twenty five AP's not going to have much of a bearing. I think it might in the back of their minds, but it's all about the playoff rankings. So where are these teams now, and there's a there's a good chance that Washington state has no wins over teams that are ranked in the committee's top twenty five when it comes to Alabama that might be in will likely be the same scenario for them. No wins over the committee's current top twenty five win those are released on Tuesday night. The difference though is just how a team looks and Bama has just it can't be all schedule. And it's not all strengths schedule strength of schedule can be used when you're comparing teams that are similar Alabama is more dissimilar than any team from any team in college football. They just continue. To dominate Washington state has not dominated at schedule and has a loss. So that's a part of it. And I think also with the non conference schedule like we talked about why? Oh, Ming San Jose State eastern, Washington. That's your non con now. Alabama should they get credit for scheduling Louisville. They're terrible. Probably not. But I think the committee has shown that intent does does matter at some point. You're not trying to run and hide hashtag citadel for Alabama. But they just look they look different if you are Washington state. If Notre Dame gets a loss or the big ten west division champ wins the big ten title. Then then we could have that conversation. But it's likely that if Washington state wins out they're going to be compared to a one loss big ten champ that has a better league or one loss big twelve champ. And a better schedule, by the way, one loss big twelve champ that that comes from a better conference as well in terms of strength schedule. So that that's going to. Challenging sticking with that Washington. State topic. I've been we have this question for review from drew Davis. He's at bills fan sixty four seventy three says is Mike Leach the best coach in the Pac twelve for about five years. Now, he's been taking three star guys in beating four star and five star guys on a consistent basis. I know we're all excited about Washington state and how well they're doing. But. This is this question is might be Ted. May have a tad too much crimson in it. If you wanna talk about the last five years Washington has beaten Washington state the last four but eighteen thirty five thirty one in twenty seven points. Chris Petersen's four no against Mike Leach, Chris Peterson as one of the best winning percentages in in college football at why he's fourth in fact behind. Well, Josh hypol- who has seven no at the defending national champions. But even more seriously, Lincoln, Riley and urban Meyer, and then Chris Petersen. So if you're looking at a career, the no in fact, leeches fifth in the Pac twelve and winning percentage he has not won a Pac twelve north yet. He did win a share of a big twelve division title ten years ago with at Texas Tech. And that's it. So again, they're having a great. They've had a great first two thirds of the season. But let's back. That's a tap the breaks just a little bit, so insured, Ivan. This is what you're saying. Mike Leach's last five years have been like in Pullman. Is that what you were getting? Why say it somewhere in the middle? Okay. Let's put it that way. Fair enough there enough finally McGee Preston Paris at Paris underscore Preston. Is it just me or did Ohio State start playing more like this once urban Meyer returned from his paid leave? How like what again like like this? Yeah. Well, speaking of press conferences, which is where that was recorded urban Meyer as we were recording this podcast. Breaking news his weekly press conference, and he was pressed with questions about his future. And he said I plan on coaching in the follow up. Question was will you coach next season? And he said yes, and he kept trying to earn his press conference steer the questions back to football and the questions continue to be steered back toward how's your health? Are you? Okay. Let's talk about your body language and his quote was I'm fine. I wanna how state it'd be successful in the worst way. I don't want people to worry about me. Well, bad news urban people are worried about you. And you are the news story. And I saw it firsthand in his comeback game. When he returned from his paid administrative leave. I've been told by stay fans not to call out of suspension. And after the game, I've said this podcast before no one looked relieved. They looked exhausted. And I think the fatigue of all that is setting in. I go back a lot of times too. When I was a senior at Tennessee. Johnny majors suffered a heart attack right before the start of the season. He missed basically, the first five games ee spent to miss three in spent two in the press box. Tennessee started off five and oh he returned to the sideline. They lost the next three. And the problem was I mean, it's a long story. But the really the biggest issue was he became the story. I mean, no one was talk. Talking about football. And I think that that's kind of what's happened with urban Meyer. And by the way, while he was talking about I will definitely be coaching next year. It also was announced that the Browns fired Hugh Jackson so looking at on the state of Ohio their Twitter accounts are are vibrating right now. I did like Trey wingo tweet which essentially said so they fired a Lou yesterday. Cleveland today, they fired a hue very concerned. If you're a stew. Nice. A corny tweet. And it was corny of you to read it keep the question coming though, use the hashtag walk on the extra point. Hey, love you, Mike Gundy time now to have one last shot at this thing, call they podcast. I haven't what he got. Oh, Matt I didn't want to do this too. I really did. But Colorado memory compels me. Because now I'm free at last. Free at last after thirty nine seasons in one thousand nine hundred seventy nine as a college junior. I was in the press box. And yes. At Oregon state where Stanford leads thirty one to seven in the fourth quarter. Did Stafford win that game match. Schick? No, they did not Oregon state came back tied the game kicked off and the Stanford deep man caught the ball at the one yard line and inadvertently backed into the end zone and put his knee down. Oregon state won thirty three to thirty one. And now, that's no longer the worst loss. Oh in twelve history. No longer the worst victory or the greatest victory in Oregon state history. And and I just want to thank you. You quite welcome for your last. You're you're quite welcome. I have one rebuttal for that. What was that? I don't think I was going to be was it was it you. Yeah. They might Gundy. Impressions pretty good though. Yeah. It was bad. Yeah. I'm a particular set of skills issue. Do they Q very taken with them? All right. Let me I mean hop in here quickly since I know of McGee wanna weigh in on this because he loves college football playoff expansion. But let me ask you this. I'm going to pull Jake Trotter in turn the tables here and ask you a question. Anybody? No. So we know Alabama was the highest scoring team in the country who's the second highest scoring team in the country. Anybody anybody? Anybody dead? Diversity is not Syracuse the answers Houston forty nine points a game. Who's third? Josh do you have any idea? Who's third the university of Syracuse is not interesting. Syracuse is Utah state. Yeah. Yeah. The group of five folks has four teams ranked in the top twenty of the AP poll, and I sent a message out and annoyed stance. It info group this morning. I said can you give you some context on four teams in the top twenty from the group of five well since the group of five is only vernacular that has been used since the playoffs started. It is the first time in the playoff era that four group of five teams have been in the top twenty of any AP top twenty five poll you've got six in the FBI top fifty. UCF at nine here in the Houston at seventeen Utah state at eighteen and Fresno state at twenty you flash forward to that American athletic conference championship game. You could have a twelve and UCF and at eleven in one Houston Houston team led by Derek king at quarterback. I watched that entire Houston south Florida game because college football he is a college star and a UCF team that is the fifth highest scoring team in the country look at mountain west Utah state third highest scoring team in the country just rolled up seven hundred yards against it. New Mexico quarterback Jordan love that quick temple offense. They could face Fresno state fourth best scoring defense in the country. Also top ten in terms of overall team efficiency. According to our metrics with Keyshawn Johnson. Ronnie rivers, Marcus Marianne, they had a I watched it late Saturday night had a kick six as well. So they these good teams that mountain west conference Jamshid game could have eleven and one Utah state and eleven and one Fresno state, Utah state team that nearly beat Michigan. State in the opener. Fresno state team is an interception in the end zone away from being Minnesota on the road and being unbeaten. I'm not getting on the entire expansion soapbox here. And I'm not saying these are for the best teams because they're not at one of the four best teams. But under the current system. These teams have zero shot of making the plow even UCF the nation's longest active win streak could win all of its games from this season all of its games next season won't make the plow. There's a reason that these teams don't get attention, and we'll get less and less attention. It's because of this current system, and because they don't have a shot at the play the highest ranked group of five conference champ gets a shot at a new year six ball. I'm just hoping someday these teams will have that opportunity competing for something more and a byproduct of that get more national attention, which they deserve. And I tried to supply here on this on this podcast McGee. Well, you know, me, I'm I'm I'm the gang five. No because you'd be on board there if they I'm I'm all for one hundred percent. And I watch I watch all those games. I'll even go all even go deeper. I think that one of the great stories in college football or should be down there in conference USA. You had Florida international which was almost the champions of the bottom ten just a couple of years ago. They're six and two with with Butch the Butch that people like, and then the UAB blazers a program that was non existent a couple of years ago, seven and one those could be the teams playing for that conference championship. So now, I'm all for it. But I also know that the system will always be rigged against them. And even if it's expanded they'll be forced to play like, whoever whoever makes it in. We'll end up having to go to Tuscaloosa, and they'll play the game, you know, three o'clock in the morning, and they'll make them wear flip flops. I mean, it will always be rigged against I would I would love for. I would love. No one would want. Them to participate. No, one wants UCF in this thing more than I do other than the people who work there. But I just know how this deal works. Hey, I've did you know? That Oregon state's win that was their first win since two thousand sixteen in their first road win since two thousand fourteen gay guys, we are fresh out of time here that that is it is fascinating. But I I meant to the bottom Tatum. Amidst the bottom, Tim briefly because. My favorite part of that experience is when I see a Florida international that I saw in person a couple of years ago, and they were so unbelievably bad, and now they're winning football games or UAB. I went down there when they didn't have a team. And now they're good in my favorite part of the bottom. Ten experience is watching teams that I watched every single weekend for years suddenly figure out how to win football games. And it's incredible to watch their faces to watch the body language and because of that I did enjoy watching Oregon state win. But I really enjoyed watching. 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Hate Week Review: Never fight Kevin Faulk, dummy

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Hate Week Review: Never fight Kevin Faulk, dummy

"Uh-huh. Oh, the shutdown full cast y'all this is revelry week recap. And I want to start with something that happened. I don't know after seven. Because as the internet's only college football podcast. It's important to discuss what happened immediately after the games and not what's in the games. Let's be honest after seven not you don't really have a game. You just got to have a collection of random events that unfolded in front of you that happened to turn out one way or the other and somebody in theory has to come away with a win. That's not what we're here to talk about. No, no, no, no. There's a lot. I mean, you can laugh at Michigan. You'll you wanna laugh Michigan. I'd love to. Yeah. Well, that's going to have to wait and Spencer how and what I want to talk about tonight is I want to talk about the iron fist of Kevin Faulk and the other parts of Kevin Faulk. There are many. Yeah. And the dude in Texas shirt who almost caught a blue connect connect right to the solar plexus and possibly the the neck the throat at the hands of LSU, director of player development and former LSU running back and former New England patriot. Kevin faulk. Yeah. Yeah. That's that's what I want to talk about. Now, we have a I think a consensus here we were all up for that game. Or did Ryan had you already checked out by that didn't even realize it was happening had totally checked I fell asleep. Ironically during the sixth overtime. Jason you were watching LSU Texas AM to the end. Correct. But I have seen the aftermath. I caught up the next day, man. I watch the Hawaii game to the end. Of course, I watch LSU entity in your an example to us. All yes. The only one kids be like Jason knows. It means not sleeping kids. Go to sleep. Go to sleep. One of the four things you need to know how to say to be a good parent slash uncle aunt, go to sleep be careful, finish your food. Yeah. Actually, it's just three. I remember him as being so loving. And all you're doing is just giving basic human instructions don't there. Poop here. Not there. Be careful. This is the one part of pet parenting that I think crosses over well into actual parenting along with what is that? In your mouth stood it out. The. At the end of the game. After texas. Am wins in the seventh OT in LSU for some reason. Just forget who plays what position and starts giving. Every carried Joe borough now that it didn't work great half mascot, Joe borough. That's right. They they also had a full black fullback play wide receiver in a running back play quarterback to throw to him. Yeah. LSU just started to started to lose the plot. The game got so long like the tail of Ganji did characters came back without any explanation, and no one really cared or ask too many questions without it. Right. The continuity to all the time lines came together around the fifth OT, oh man pitcher, coach San Russia on. Different posts -pective sound like a sneeze. Right. Skews you coach Japanese cinema. Coach what happened there with the field goal attempts. As time was winding down that. Oh, we had Rasha Mon so head to kick up. Active. What I wanted to get to was photos video came out later. But really the first thing that came out of this at the end of the game. There was a scuffle between some LSU personnel and some Texas am sideline credential people, and I didn't pay attention to that at first because we already had one pretty funny game-ending brawl earlier that day in the form of UNC NC state. Yeah. Good tussle like robbery weekend. Head some good fragrances happening. Right. Oh another flight. No. We see. We see you bull. We see you everybody. Getting a warning everybody getting a personal foul. Happen. Yeah. Let's not forget Kentucky. Louisville kentucky. Lou boy. Good dust on Reich. I think on the opening kickoff would jets that sort of a tradition there. Florida Florida state even had an attempted flag-planting. Which was how'd that go? It was cut short by anti-colonialist. Dan Mullen, we don't claim territory anymore as a nation state. We exist as an idea. Well, that's that's Ron zook failed. Why would you why would you you know, ruin it? That's true. He has to mow it now. So you're saying Dan Mullen disrespected the flag. That's that is correct. Dan in protested the flag. Flack disrespected Mississippi. Hey, Florida did have to take a knee at the end of that game. Right. Wow. Wow topical. So all the way back around. This scuffle broke out. This was excellent reporting by Glenn Guilbeault who got to the bottom of this a scuffle broke out. But before we knew details, there was just a photo and his photos incredible. Because of taking by Hillary shining of the advocate. It is a photo of Kevin Faulk. None none unfit, man. Let's Kevin Faulk up to know. Kevin Faulk is about up to the dues neck. He's goes like when you say catch these hands. He is delivered the hands to this young man still unidentified, by the way, we do not have a positive ide- on the guy who I will just call said redneck there. There are rumors though, are they're not. We'll get to that. We'll get to the. Okay. All right. Sorry. He does bear a slight resemblance to a member of the Texas. Am staff. To say nothing connected anything, but. The phrase catch these hands. Oh, Kevin Faulk had thrown them around the collar and neck area of this extremely stunned dude who instantly looks like by the way, he's got his eyes closed. Somebody said he kind of looks like French Stewart that is a real specific reference. But it's depot for twenty eighteen. Yeah. It's not inaccurate though. It's not an accurate if I just said kind of a country five French Stewart French onion dip, Stewart French dressing, Stewart, French dress, French French crunch Creole Stewart. He is he is clearly on the defensive here. Having made a very poor decision to start this fight and his face registers, every degree of this emotion, by the way, really explore. Why that dude was named French and no one ever bother doing Thira gate that. I'm going to work on that right now you keep going down. Thank you get to the bottom of that. But it's first name is Milton. That's why. He's. Name. I all at all. Wait, wait. According to wake a pediatric is first name is Milton. He has no middle name and his last name is French Stewart with hyphen. So basically, he share or prince threat Stewart, I have fewer questions than I did at the outset. I will say that. That's amazing. Klett. You learned so many things already tonight. And we're about to learn a few more we bumped up French Stewart Hugh rating in the past eighteen hours. This is this story starts, by the way. According to Gill bows article it starts when Texas ENA wide receivers. Coach Damian Craig his team won this game, by the way, right? Was quote yelling and going to LSU coaches, including head coach, Ed Osias, Ron. What are we? That's the least surprising because there's a reason coach would have been mad at this point. Coach. Oh, she missed it. Coach was doused with celebratory Gatorade. Like an hour before at the end of regulation. That's right. That's right before Ed to watch all seven overtimes. So they were tied. So that's no problem. Right. So does Ron Daime Craig walking up try to talk trash eddoes, Ron is clearly proved that there were law enforcement officials there 'cause I don't think anyone does that without a cop within arm's like grabbing distance. Right. Like, we got police here. Okay. Cool. Hey, ed. Gives my ass office. But that's not what happened. Nope. Nope. Nope. What happened was Elliott? We need to frame this. Because if we're not gonna get into the salacious rumors circulating online as to the identity of this puncher, but suffice to say that if these are true than this falls into this particular chain of country catastrophe, this particular vein of storytelling that I love because it's one of those things where when you're framing the story at the very outset you can start by saying, well it turns out. Which is how you know you've gotten the real red neck question up is whenever you go. Hey, so it turns out, and I'll just read this here straight from Daime Craig over there raising hell, and Steve Craig Thorpe assistant for LSU decides to walk over, and you know, move it along just just going to move it along right saying, hey, so this is cracked directly, I went up to Jamie and said, hey, Damien get out of here you want. You don't need to be doing that move along. And that's when I got hit. I mean, I got nailed he was a young guy. I'm fifty three. I'm not gonna fight him. And here's the it turns out part because if you're that young guy the one who made a very bad decision in deciding to fight and coming up against Kevin Faulk who's from cared grow outside Lafayette. What if you're the guy this is when you get into redneck disaster territory because it's never just about one detail. No, it's always about the additional thing. Right. Like, hey. So I went Mudan, and it turns out it was a protected federal land reserve with a rare turtle whose Nesta disturbed with the wheels of my massive truck. And now those charges federal that's it turns out, right? The o thought. It'd be funded. Throw my cigarette in the window of a passing car. Not only was he a Cup. He was the president president Cup. I've through and it landed on president Cup. And now, I'm in super jail for the rest of my life secret services shit. It turned him look at you weaving these tales of fiction so so heavily. So definitely a real. You have a real it turns out story. Don't you not for you? But I do I do the it turns out factor like a co worker of mine who have mentioned. Ercole work of my brothers from West Virginia. He has one of the best it turns out stories ever because it starts bad. Remember, the story always starts bad as in. Well, I got a DUI because I drove through a building. And that's the harbinger word here. The, hey, what happened to you? Well, yeah. That means there's two parts there's going to be a turn turn comes with. It turns out. It turns out. It was a post office in this guy's case. And those charges are federal the turn was also into a building of a building completely threw a building. That's what happened and then he got federal charges. So about that turn. It's about to come up here in the story. Okay. Because remembered Steve crack talking he says, I'm young guy. He said, he's young guy. I'm fifty three. I'm not gonna fight him. Let's keep going. You might remember something about Steve crack Thorpe at this point. But if you haven't I'm about to take through it. I have Parkinson's. But even if I didn't I haven't gotten in a fight since high school. So that's that's all real bad. Because this guy this guy just punched eve crack door who has Parkinson's in his fifty three. It's not a good. Look are we done? No. We're not even close the done. Not even close to done. I continue from Gildas article out of nowhere. I got nailed Craig Thorpe said in a phone interview when he got back home Sunday afternoon. I didn't go down. But I clutched over. Where's that turn? I'll put your signals on their comes. I was like damn he got me right in my pacemaker. Then it started fluttering like he jostled it. That's right. The turn wasn't just that you got into a fight on the field by punching a fifty three year old guy with Parkinson's. No, man. You hit them right in the pacemaker, the one, you didn't know he had and you pop them right in there. Boy, he felt it also since when is that a place to direct upon. Right. I mean, unless you did it intentionally which that's that's scouting right there. I think that means you got a heat seeking fist you detected the machinery. True started jimbo's our. He is I'll I'll be first on the line against Skynet. I can tell the robots I smell cyborg, Steve crag Thorpe. He was going to kill us. All I mean, really he only kind of made Louisville sick for a couple years. And then he was fine. He's not a very effective. He's a nice guy effective Terminator he'd be terrible. Terminator, he's polite Parkinson's. This is not good. So. Yeah. Puffed and right the pacemaker. And then as if this wasn't bad enough. And remember we're like, we're a good four degrees of trouble down in here. He turns and he sees Kevin Faulk who if you've seen any of these photos the most recent of which features Kevin Faulk being held back by LSU player and his fist in the exact shape of the exact clinch of the Arthur beam, right? Like, he's about to bury this young, man. Swollen small arthurian just swell Arthur with the tip, by the way with the gym shorts on under the khakis. Stay ready all-star, Kevin Faulk ready to just go. Like, I don't know if it's multiple rounds. I'm ready to go to these khakis off. And I'm good. That is why LSU Texas say best new revelry coach football. Thanks. Thanks to this. God level redneck idiot ended up being I don't know three or four different names by the end of by the end of soda night. Couple of these. It was the framing is magnificent college football renaissance painting last year, it was Tennessee Alabama. This year. It's this kid. So while we do not know the I d say he definitely does look like a prominent the prominent Texas AM staffer looks a little bit little bit. Like, you know, maybe they get it a relation. They get. Maybe not a not a direct, but you know, close enough move and on. Yeah. So I don't like what we can't. We can't say that everyone's saying jimbo's nephew. Saying I don't like some we're going to get sued by JIMBO or something. He's got the money, man. Like like that is being widely reported. Yeah. It's not like they have info horns the information gathering. Yeah. We're we're we're off their radar trenches. They're not rival this podcast shutdown by JIMBO Fisher's legal team full best. They can that would be our finest achievement yet. And somehow Florida state would come rolling in decades as a win. We're both held Jabbour now count it. Let's just the reason I think that is important to mention is what happens after the dust up when the young man nearly gets his head head punched off by Kevin Faulk. He immediately scampers off to find JIMBO to report. What has happened at makes a punching gesture right? Like, hey, JIMBO. I just punched a guy with Parkinson's Oncle glencoe. Hello. You can't use my name out here. You could be anyone that. It must be. Hey, must be talking to you Damian. Not me, I many people's own a spiritual sense. Jimbo's jimbo's like moment, by the way. Talking to Rick Perry. Not me. Thought I'd gotten away from these people thought I'd had gotten all. Built myself new life as a member of this air stock recy-, I'll send this white trash. Just rolls up. You can you can leave the hills of West Virginia. But can't take them. Nowhere shouldn't take CLA job. This shit. Does not have any. Really? No contrary. I mean didn't throws a kettle bell at you. But at least that's classy off the field way off the field. You get a celebrity tone kettle tells that you. Not at the goddamn head coach. That's just more like a rejected American gladiators. I mean, I think hand in hand the game matters a lot here tensions were high from. And it feels crazy to say that like. The game was somehow top by the event that happened after it. But it really was at least on the internet because this was quite possibly the craziest fucking football game in the history of football. We're talking the longest FBI game ever the most points in FBI game ever. It went over the total by one hundred points. Which has to be the biggest like the biggest if you took the under in this your fishy. The worst gambler of all time. I'm so excited for somebody to be either doing like bowl previews or season previous next year. And look at either one of these defenses in just look at average points scored run will be like, well, you know, they really faded down the stretch there. Yeah. If you stupid math than this game is will make you sound like a dumb ass you're saying like, oh LSU. They have a below average defense. It said say Ellis, but they had the best quarterback in the conference. I wanted to go on so long that I wanted to go on so long Joe borough put up two thousand yards in its shit. I I guess we got a New York gotta vote for him through for five thousand yards this year. He's a finalist. Really can give the Maxwell award. Just for one game kill him on through tons of touchdowns. He's gotta have a ton of yardage tutored any arts. Like his line. Don't look it up. I'm just going to quote, it don't bother checking it it's twenty three TD's in two hundred eighty yards passing. Because as the game went on the refs were increasingly tired of this shit, which which the refs they helped the game go to overtime. Not not to the degree that LSU fans thought at the time because like the big big big bad. Call was actually a good call the fourth down the line was TV fucked up not the refs, basically. But there as other stuff to the reps note the game, go to overtime. But once it got there. Boy, did they reg- regret that decision. And it felt like with every period. The, you know, the OT or suppose start the twenty five felt like it was just creeping closer and closer. So finally on Adams winning drive. It was like the balls near the end zone fine. Pass interference personal foul. Put it on the line. We gotta get outta here. This. It did sort of feel like at the end where you really wanna game monopoly end new just start giving your kids things. Right. Like, look you got like nine hotels on that whip some, bro. Crazy. How you one that get it invested ten billion dollars in your one million dollar property you in you. Did it capitalism works? I mean this happened. And it clips even Egbo which the bull the Ingles lit. Ed, both fantastic in terms of a fight. Yeah. But the I will you knew would be that way. And the game itself was not that good knows deplorable awful nickel. Remember, although the did have the notable achievement. Not even Texas AM LSU can claim this not what they're seven. Oh, teas. Now with all the records now with the massive over the over over right going hundred points over the over feels good say that loud, man, take it seriously hitting the line. The. It's a staffing. But it did have an achievement that not even Texas LSU could, you know, offer which was. How on earth? Do you get players objected on a play that never happened that was greatest the ended up with I believe three players objected on a single play where the quarterback who dove into a fight did not get addicted three other players did and the play was then called back. So in other words, you rejected for nothing never happened. Still jetted though. That's your off the grid. You're off the grid. Government can't taxi illegally dead from the play by play in like the sheets. Not like the ESPN play by play around the sheets. The hand out in the press box Syra, San ole miss participated in football didn't matter. Omiss fighting goes interesting. Ole miss players legitimate is their dad is watched on as those goes to also being addicted for fighting each other. Makes me wonder if there's a corresponding voice to the old miss fathers, son's voice, host fight that. It's just it's just completely opposite that right? Hey. Mississippi state. Voice with no gravitas whatsoever. Right. Thrice voice, the boys the boys fought real hard. But in the Antar nation if they didn't get there but can't like JIMBO chest sound like round. You sound like, Jim. A forty five like when you put one of those records one of your child records are on you were a kid and slowed it down south on the chipmunks sounded normal. Oh god. I sound like David cross on aqua teen hunger. Force Betty, it's it's like, JIMBO if you're the jiggling coach, can you can you can you sound real fired up and excited for this recruiting video. I think that's what you get out of JIMBO at that point. Everybody say they gotta like the be. That'd be here. We got up. We gotta chop screw him. So he sounds normal. Hey. Slough lows get. Jason I found the found the play by play description, and I'm going to send it to you. So that you can read it as right Thompson, if you don't mind. On this is. But if you want ready, if you wanna know, by the way, that's that's my take away to Texas. Ada issue flight. That's everything I want for college football, and otherwise kind of mediocre to messy Parkinson's getting punched in a pacemaker. All you want out of a rivalry game. All right, please place about this segment to at thirty Godfrey. Yes. I think I think he's haven't we done enough. Let's not talk about Godfrey right now. Based on the results of this past weekend. Let's not talk about let's not talk about those. Okay. So real quick. This is. All following a touchdown celebration for touchdown that never happened. Penalty m s unsportsmanlike conduct offsetting penalty. MS unsportsmanlike conduct offsetting penalty. Oh, Ilma unsportsmanlike conduct offsetting unsportsmanlike conduct penalties on all players on the field. Ejections number two number three number six of MSU and number thirty eight of ole miss Jason. We're just gonna keep rolling. What what did you wanna talk about outta rivalry? Well, speaking of Godfrey, I. We had a long bet on the territorial Cup. On Arizona ASU. He of course, trusted in her med words I failed to trust in her Edwards. And it was looking great that points in the season. And then especially toward the end of the actual game between the two teams. But then, but then her and pulled it out at the end. And now went seventy five when the NFC west going to the wildcard round, I believe so that's that Godfrey are now two two against each other. You know, what numbers harm needs her needs seven and five because that's what was it. I think it was met hidden pointed out they basically had the exact same season as your prior like they tore down a house built a brand new house, and it was actually the same house. But because we all assumed it was going to be a total fucking shit show. We that's the secret higher coach that the media is going to be like what the fuck did you do? And then when that coach is not that bad. The media will also turn around and be like. Man. Look at them making way to go. Your coach doesn't have to pour mouth his opponents if the higher is the poor mouth say town. Also, you're welcome. Arizona state for everything we did for you. There is no thank you coming. Yeah. I believe by the way, this features something which was the full someone which was being up by thirty five twenty one or something thereabouts and blowing it just full on blowing it and set up for the most obvious in football. Which is with a college kicker like a forty nine yard field goal. Got to get it in the middle of the field. Perfect. It'd be great. No, no, kicking off the hash. Every college kickers work a lot better that way. Yeah. Anyone's game. One score games. There is gonna stay play this year four. Nine. Oh, more than that. Nine. What was there? What was their record in those night games? That would be interesting. Let's say they has to be okay. Yeah. They were like five hundred in them. They beat. Let's see they beat Arizona UCLA USC. Forgetting won miss in. Michigan state. Those are the four winds. The close losses were to San Diego State, Washington. Colorado Stanford and Oregon so foreign five. So not that great. Actually, we should just ignore that. Don't don't listen to that? Her don't listen, it's more. I'm more just impressed with the ability to play that many close games. Did they that's hard? They just decide to have a year in which the disappointments for more marginal. Right. Like, you know at this program needs less huge disappointment and more consistent small disappointments. Like most most teams your most teams, you're going to see saw back and forth. Right. You're not really gonna have like even Arizona including this game. Had let's see one two three four five. They had six one score games. And they were all over the map as a team and her is still out of here. Basically Lapin them with nine. That's that's who God it's going to be rough when he taking you know, that is that's showmanship. That's one hundred percent showmanship her nose that you paid for this. Cable package or this seat stadium. And he's gonna give you show all the way to the end. I would like to point out the. Yeah. The general theme of the week was that bully, stay bullies. The teams that were supposed to win for the most part ended up winning and that includes significant long streaks of. Just blinding bitter disappointment by teams like I don't know Washington state who in their best shot. I can't I can't know if you wanna know how dude damned Washington state is as a program. It's our best shot to be Washington. A while. It's do. Massive blizzard. Active. God mope. Well, they adjusted in started like running the ball and maybe punting for field position. Mash, mash, let's see how many more mesh thirty five throws to twenty four runs is your total in the wintry slush. Yeah. You know, read a lot more than the usually. That's that's pretty balanced that weather, this is their own weather. Meanwhile, Jake Browning fourteen times perfect and punted he punted once how many of those runs were fumbles or sacks is the question. I believe for okay three, right work. So not too. But watching watching our special boy Gardner mid shoe suffer so badly and throwing endless crossing routes. Just Washington just dared them to do something. Yeah. But that was that was the most agonizing watch of the weekend. Even michigan. You just thought I don't know, man. You just signed up for you signed up for asking class today. And you're learning you're learning all the steps of Ascot. It didn't have the historical connotations with it. But the way West Virginia loss, Oklahoma was also pretty painful, so the end of laws Oooo Washington the end of this game and Tennessee's overtime loss to Kansas in basketball all happened within like, fifteen minutes of each other. I was going to say Tennessee was nowhere close to overtime with Vanderbilt. So thank you. I didn't watch that game. And I don't actually know the. Final score. I'm fine with that. And that was the point at which I just went laid face down in bed with both my arms at my sides Jerry quietly for a long time. I'm glad this season is over don't don't me. There's another week. There's not so athlete. Didn't exactly it's still though. Like, I know that these were all these role bitter disappointments that on paper made sense into the I were nothing, but sadness, but there's one game that why are you like there's no there's one game that just sticks out. Like a Soroush though is is originally. Attack. You know, Ryan even iron sick tonight. An elect that the reason where it sinks because we're both talking about agony pain and humiliation are shared frequency. It's our love language left languages pain. And nothing was more painful than this. The last time. That UVA beat Virginia Tech two thousand three. So last time. And it's still the last time, but UVA be Virginia Tech because a Ford six prior to this game hokey team rolled in. Manage to you know, hang around stay in the game got up on them. And then suddenly UVA attained a thirty one twenty four lead twenty eight twenty four for a while tacked on thirty one twenty four. And naturally, what do you do go with? What was working key passing the ball little bit? No, no. They're going to run it. Because that's what teams are supposed to do in the fourth quarter. At surely Virginia Tech who've been capable of doing nothing consistently throughout this game would not add no pull along completion out of it's ass and string together a couple of plays to tie the came up convince everyone wearing any UVA apparel that they were damned from the start. No. That's exactly what happened. That's it's not like all of Virginia Tech's defenders were gone. The entered the season with like five scholarship players understand what the problem is here. I actually I actually played cornerback for a couple of series in the state and look great. I'm dan. It was good to use like the boundaries the defender. That was awesome. I don't know. What those words mean? But thank you. You're just trying to make plays man. And you know, what with Ryan any playing quarterback Virginia. Still couldn't be check vision for them the nanny back. Danny back. Yeah. This was Rams with medevac. This is just ghastly it was so bad watching it happen because you could see it. You can see it like something falling off of the frit off the top of the fridge, right? No, somebody mmediately beneath it. Move your head Virginia getting up by what was over ten or. Something like that. The other right around than Virginia or Virginia Tech rigging on. On gave it up. And. Yeah. And then Virginia Tech went number genetech went. Yeah. Yeah. It was a real. Julia. Had it fuck up. Yeah. At least once or twice. It was. Oh, it was you had this year. Was we had Washington state? Finally your chance. Finally, you're gonna you're gonna beat the bullies. You're going gonna you're going to be the you're going to be the big boy now Virginia, it's your best shot to beat Virginia. Tech in years. You're gonna do it. And I sort of feel like there is another team that that was the case for. Michigan think that would apply. I would think I think that would apply for Michigan. Michigan mant. I mean, West Virginia. Hey, remember how we're talking about? All the points scored in AM LSU, Ohio State was very close to this point total. Just with regulation was your overtimes games began. No they overcame great adversity. We're not here to talk about high state. Fuck them Michigan. You gave up sixty two points to who. I don't know. Michigan response as one to whom to whom. After spending Friday night, making fun of Oklahoma and West Virginia for giving up about that many points. Not that many. I don't think. It's like every league not just not even that many gave up getting well, we can do that shit. I know Michigan. Your defense is worse than Oklahoma's. I know the one I know the one I'm thinking of where the last time that this particular team wanted this rivalry Twitter wasn't around which comes into play. And that team's response on Twitter to that team because with -sconsin prior to the game. God this was a fun game tweeted out. Oh, you know. No one's ever tweeted that Minnesota beat Wisconsin. Because Twitter wasn't around the last time it happened. And after Minnesota came off the mat after a bad last month of the season came flying up revived and put Wisconsin the camel clutch thirty seven fifteen and now holding Paul Bunyan's axe. Yeah. The university of Minnesota respond. With tweet tweet just the most mid western nice stunt ever. Right. Who? Hey there. I think it gets even better that tweet was like two years old. I'm pretty sure they went back and dug up their seats. Like if you at any point in the last fourteen years of said some shit about Minnesota, guess what? Vengeance is ours. Yeah. Look here. You know, just thinking about, you know, I'm just thinking about our deleted scene. Yeah. Thirty seven fifteen there were a lot bigger games going on at the moment on. I was watching this one because I was cranky. This is a really fun game. It is. I just wanna come in everybody here. I think the most insulting thing we've done to Michigan ever in the spot cast is immediately start talking about Wisconsin football, seven and five Wisconsin football, seven five Wisconsin football moving onto bigger. Could division standings and see where where that puts that puts Michigan. I'd be interested to Michigan. Michigan. Michigan rose all the way to second a vast improvement for the plucky. Upstart Michigan football will. Yeah. You gotta four on the exam. Is it a five no O rien? I literally gas. That is the most Michigan insult ever. But my mouth actually fell. Oh, God a four in AP history. No less. Gotta tell you cannot tell you who failed in exam hard. So real bad segue. But I wanna get to the score is is this a go. Yeah. Just this. That of all the games. I didn't think we're going to involve kind of salt the earth. Like Roman style beat down. Wake Forest beat Duke fifty nine. Like to the point where you're like settled down with for not I thought no one it was a nerd freak out. It was the nerd freaked out on the other nerd you. Stop hitting yourself. You stop at yourself. That was like the freak out in a Christmas story, except it was two kids with glasses. I I've seen this scene before it was when I was living in the dorms at the university of Florida at one guy was like, so I'm just gonna move these canons here up you lost this game of risk and the other guy flip the table. Yeah instantly. That's what it was for four quarters. Just just big old nerdy. Weak force. This might be the rare instance of a basketball grudge bleeding over into football nation or some kind of lacrosse kerfuffle. Right. This last time you fucked with us in the cross, bro. My favorite thing about this is Bill. Conley. Every Sunday morning. He puts up sort of a review of how kind of how his picks is s and people as picks did against what actually happened in like, it's the way to show that like, oh, look at all the stuff that was really close. But then you can have fun looking at the ones that were not close, and he goes through different sections based on comparing the projected margin to the actual margin. And then it gets up to you know, there's one section. That's like games that were way off as many as four touchdowns off the Mark. And then and then wait gets its own section titled holy crap. More than sixty points off the projected margin. Duke was projected to win by eight by a computer that usually beats Vegas and yet Wake Forest won by fifty two Bill calls it by far the biggest miss of the season. This game is missing a really good branding opportunity between between the demon deacon and the blue devil. This should be the game for dominion over hell itself. And like the winner should get some real Nora kind of bloody key. And they're like, yeah. This is the this opens the gate to hell with this weekend. Unleash the we can unleash the underworld onto the surface. Loon harvest souls, Lucifer's key fob. Wake Forest does have those weird tunnels under the campus. We told you you have to get two factor. Authentication? It's about unleashing a sinister minions onto the earth in it involves do. That's wild crazy. I'm just saying lean into the hell angle, and this becomes a much more compelling game. Yeah. That's good. I agree. I'm all for making every rivalry trophy medal as possible. I would also a also speaking of speaking of battles for the soul. That involve actual emotional stakes. Hey, BYU had a lead last night. No, well, you know, all things on this, mortal planer, but transitory plot of people had a lead last thing. Kansas state how to lead last night? Have I go for didn't. They didn't. They don't have it this morning. I don't know how about that BYU lead. That'd be why you lied? Paraded last fun is gone. The one twenty seven two seven with sixteen minutes ago. BYU leads every statistical category Utah piece of scrap iron in his hand. Like not today. Bronco gone. Are they missing their signature Cussing nece? They may they might your Jinya doesn't seem to have it even though man where that where that nut punching us go it's on it's on a UPS truck. Just just circling y'all forgetting these are the new the these are the new broods of the two coaches whose teams inaugurated the Miami Beach bowl with a brawl between BYU and fucking Memphis this next year note next year's Commonwealth. Trump is going to be lit true. They're going to be heinous remember in that brawl, by the way person who got hit from the blindside a Memphis player. That'd be what you've flair. No, Memphis player who was like filthy. What are you doing the blindside? You say, yes. Yeah. That's how you really just being mean to Godfrey at this point that didn't work. I would also that didn't work. Accidental stray there of also like at one point I believe before it slid the other way come on the full cast. I believe that Oklahoma state came back and made it a game. And then it wasn't because you can't predict anything that Oklahoma state's going into this year. They lost to the team that lost to Kansas. Good. Yeah. Can we can we talk about you con- just for a second? Damn just just this is wanted to listen Grandy. It's would describe this game as. Trigger WARNING PLEASE I want to wanna preface that total yardage is garbage to stick. And it doesn't mean anything fun that fun. Maybe we should describe it not as a statistic, but as a unit of entertainment. Yeah, that's fair. So we're using we're talking about defense here. Oregon state second worst defense in the nation in total yardage allowed six thousand four hundred and forty one yards this season. How many more yards did Yukon the worst team allow six hundred beyond that six four six forty six thousand four hundred forty one I'm gonna go. What is what is the delta? But what is the delta between these two schools? Six hundred yards. I'm gonna go say they allowed seven thousand yards. Okay. Jason. No, no, adult means. Live in Atlanta. Well, yeah. Clearly when one delta acknowledged. Holly. Do you wanna has guests? I'm gonna undercut Spencer say. No, no eighty five hundred yards. Okay. You way over. But that's okay. That's fine. So did you consonants seven thousand four hundred nine. Almost almost thirty two yards away for my full thousand yards more than the second. Worst team. This team allows eight point eight one yards per play. Which means that every time you have first in ten against Yukon. You can get holding on that first in ten and you still should be able to pick up the first down with room to spare outliers or innovators. Mike almost four or point. It's it's it's it's four point three miles four point three miles. That's awesome. Like like, I kinda wanna flip this on its head. How did anyone ever punt against Yukon actually, pull that up? I would like see how much they did. Okay. So so how they were they they allowed the fewest funded. They forced the fewest punts in the nation. This year both per game. And overall. Two point three for twenty eight total punts per game. Yes. Two point three punts per game. Kick returner finance at cobwebs there were let's see one two three four games where you can only forced one punt. If you played uconn you got to for a day pretend, you're Oklahoma, basically, Oklahoma simulate Oklahoma's offense. Yeah. That happened that. Yeah. It went down about roles are funny. Play like these these rigged automatic bowl games. Sometimes we could use a little bit more flexibility example, Oklahoma, you know, that was great. I it's very memorable. You know, Yukon lost like two million dollars game. Because they had to buy that was the right? That was the ball. Right. So this is from talking to a colleague at work who has an affiliation in for that reason. He or she shall remain completely anonymous. They were really hoping to get the Orange Bowl. I forget who was in the Orange Bowl that year. But it was like another team that would have been it would've made more sense for Yukon play, but they get Oklahoma. They get Oklahoma and a half to fly across the country. And because of all the tickets that they have to buy the athlete department ends up losing. I think it's like one point eight million dollars in this piece by getting had lying around being uconn football. One hundred percent not a time time, we're now we're talking about women's basketball funding uconn football, getting destroyed in front of nine people by Oklahoma. Can we pay nutmeg? Get some facts, Connecticut pool. Thank you. So even if you use better numbers than just total yards, which are by themselves. They do tell the story quite well. Bill put up a post that was about using like good numbers to to try and figure out how bad yukons record setting defense is. And it was even by the smartest stuff. The I think one of the two worst since division one split. And even if you include teams that like were basically FCS teams mixed in with FBI teams. It's it's still right down there with the worst of those basically Yukon had an F C S defense at the FBI level respect to them because they were paying Randy Etzel his two thousand three three thousand dollar little good to say to chip in bonuses throughout the season. Anyway, I think somebody is it Steve Berkowitz who does. He's just constantly got the contract tails on deck. Ready addition like this rich guy got this much richer today. I think this one is like at the end of another humiliating blow out to complete one of the worst seasons in football history. Randy until two thousand dollars today for winning third down percentage battle some it was something like that. The greatest argument we have for paying players. He said that. Yeah. That's the important thing. He knows. Oh my God. What if this whole Yukon season is performance art? This is Randy is saying look how shameful. This is look awful. It is what I'm doing look upon your sports. Weep. That Randy Edsel just takes two grand. I imagine that he gets it like in an envelope. Right. Awesome. Andy. The sand on jokers setting pile of money. Do it. You're doing that. Right. After this podcast with him in the nurse's uniform. Hi. Hi. I think that's the one where like he. He's walking away. He clicks the fuse and the bomb doesn't go. I wanted to talk. He took over hospital for nervous as good as segues any to talk about super weapons that haven't gone off yet charging charging the fully operational a rumble. The prophecy. The prophecy is still alive because more alive than than ever. Because remember what did we say about pit before the season that they were going to be the ones that beat Clemson, correct? They going back legendary Piltz? I don't know if we saw that or not shed it. We said we said they are going to wreck somebody's playoff seasons Xs nine in three that's all that matters. We make two predictions that was one. This is the other don't look this. Michigan definitely was going to be state. Yeah. We never ever said that so it'd be a good week to go back to our week one of sodas and listen to now it's never a good week to go back to any episode. So after the false dawn actually do remember as cackling about how long Wisconsin had had Paul Bunyan's axe. I don't know what possessed us to be talking about Minnesota Wisconsin in goddamn August. That sounds like us. Good job us spacemen as mostly the the pit streak after the false dawn of a close loss to Notre Dame. They'd be Duke. VU via they beat Virginia Tech and beat is a real general term there for what they did to Virginia Tech who must be really good because they beat UVA. And win over Wake Forest bully Wake Forest. They did exactly what we said. They would do the prophecy states that they would immediately collapse phone one in an embarrassed of selves at Miami. Because they're spending this week in the next week charging up charge. Because the most pit thing of all would be to back in. In your Pittsburgh Steelers themed, garbage truck. I was I was going to say, you know, like PT cruiser. No. Pete P. I T T. I call a big bag because it's got a shitty turning radius and his great. And it slow and smelly. Yeah. In the glove compartment filled with fries. Oh that. Well, that's no. That's Pittsburgh the rule the be that's just for safety. So I haven't eaten ninety minutes. Oh, I thought he made us. Oh shows trap to snowbanks. Settle. Terrific open, the emergency fries. That's what we have now with the super weapon fully charged operational. And it's it's drawing down on big pretty Clemson big pretty peaceful, Clemson, which as as we have been envisioning for a full year. Now. Does this? Cliftonville might be knocked out of the playoff like they're super dominant and everything and like they have a nice ranking. But they beat a whole lot of good teams. Ain't no ain't good. But like this the strength of schedule numbers just are not very kind and with Ohio State, suddenly jumping up Oklahoma hanging around Notre Dame already and bam already in probably Clemson really could be knocked out of the playoff here. And other funny part is if pit were to win this pinch pit would clinch a bid to the peach festival meeting. We would have repeat of uconn going to basically out we'll go to that. We I will get fans Rizola, listen if Pitman if pit is in the peachable. If pits if pits in the peachable, we're doing something for it. It's in the peach bowl where they're home. I got the peach pit. Tech peach hit. That's the rallying cry. And if it's the festival are like pets. So. What I would point this out to that that Kenny pick it the starting quarterback for for pit has only thrown over two hundred yards. Once also if you make tesseract out of his jersey it says pit. But he's only thrown over two hundred yards. Once I was three sixteen against Wake Forest, right? Okay. No. I wanna go back. I wanna go back. Who is the last pit quarterback? You remember Nathan Nathan Peterman. Yeah. That's right. Do you know why this is John boys came up to me in the office like two weeks ago? And he was he asked me like was Nathan Peterman anything in like what how the hell. Did we get to this point? I was like well he was Tennessee for while. And like was okay nothing spectacular transferred to pit again. Okay. Nothing spectacular. But he was part of this huge win over Clemson. Before you know, all of the building and more building in so much building. Tell you the other very pit story behind this Nathan Peterman, who of course, still charging Nathan Peterman just takes longer to charge which was this that in the forty three forty two upset where Nathan Peterman was a God. He came up to duty in the office beforehand. Probably the probably by the way, a fifty one twenty eight loss at Miami. Was the week before the big upset of Clemson just saying history repeats itself. Can you pick it? You're the new Nathan Peterman. Sorry, you have to put that devil on here. No. He has to handle the he has to hand over the Nathan Peterman mantle to somebody else in a year or two or it's his forever for old time sake. Can we get a good Nathan Peterman is God. I don't know. I have that. So that would feel feel like blasphemy in a certain way God of so that's the best the best part of the story is ner. Doozy. Peterman hurting shoulders messed up a little bit doozy. He said coach, I don't know if I can finish the season and a half to have season ending get ready for the next level surgery. And the coach calmly told his second year starter that there won't be a next level. If he doesn't finish the year and finish it strong. This is all my way of saying that one can you pick? It's definitely going to throw for nine hundred yards against Clemson. Because if Jake Bentley can throw for five hundred just saying probably gonna happen to patent. Doozy hates Nathan Peterman. Because he made him do that. And that's why we all talk about the Peterman now. So I'll Pat doozy's fall. Felow helped a lot. Let's that guests count Buffalo's role in this. Wouldn't have been there. If it wasn't for the dues, man. Imagine there's probably somebody out there who is a pit and bills fan, and they were probably real excited for Nathan Peterman. I start in buffalo like oh oggi's. Karen? I I've seen this kid. He's got some special. Magic you watch. He's like a magician. He's like Siegfried and ROY doing voices. Again is this a combo pit buffalo accent pertinent. We gotta get kinda get Kirschner onto just record soundboard sound board for us. Like this. Just a pit sound. Boy gins, Irv soundboard. Sern brard. Sir. Mark murder. Do we care about any of this weekend's coaching changes? Only one I care about one non change Klay Hilton. Nope. Not that one cliff is out for door is out clay Hilton is in, but we are here to talk about per Espy nation exclusively Mike, Sanford is out. Yeah. Mike Sanford is also I was I I was going for just power five teams that our listeners heard of. But there's also Kentucky Godfrey I'm trying to be nice. You look what how I don't know. I don't know if this qualifies the power five that our listeners have heard of but Illinois not only kept lovey Smith after. After they lost northwestern and dropped a foreign aid on the year. They gave him a two year extension. Let's gave this van growing -tarian here. It is everybody loves a strong, man. My fear. My working theory is that there's like one dish lovey Smith can cook. That's like, maybe it's like, oh, man. Have you had lovey Smith cels coach missiles on you? Oh my God. It's the best. Like, you know, normally lasagna me is just like lasagna coach miscellaneous fuck next level. Yeah. I know I know the teams terrible. But like, I got we gotta give them the extent. So we could with with Sonya. Skirt going. Although I'm saying, listen, I'm saying Illinois is run by Garfield that that's the most. That's actually the best explanation for Illinois athletics in general that it's run by Garfield that when they get in for the staff meeting on Mondays, right? Like, hey, let's turn this thing around. Let's make it happen. They'll Monday would go. Monday. Let's hire Ron zook. He reminds me Odie. That guy fire him, but he got you to Rose Bowl. Just get eat a whole Zonta in the pan. I I would say this Illinois too. I respect giving him the two year extension off at because it's the it's the natural response. It's the, hey, it's when you tell anybody like, it's it's the internet thing. Right. When you go. Hey, that's a stupid idea. Oh, yeah. Won't get twice as much now. That's it. I bet somebody was like shit. I'm gonna keep lovey which is to keep a man they typing here is employing lovey Smith to own the libs. One hundred percent. That's fine. All aboard. Yeah. This is why northwestern is gonna give Pat FitzGerald like a twenty three year extension that was going to happen. I mean, he's not leaving. So. So we need to report we need to need to boost p fits need to help them out. Right because he'll he'll ever. Yeah. He'll never have a union to help them out. Right. So we got be I've heard that name Texas Tech super interested. Pat, fitzgerald. Yeah. Western is noted for their their space and rocketry programs. I wouldn't wanna live on the moon. Did you French Stewart was in Stargate? What?

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College Programs May Be Broke But Its Their Fault, Plus Domonique Foxworth on CBA Negotiations

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College Programs May Be Broke But Its Their Fault, Plus Domonique Foxworth on CBA Negotiations

"Today's episode of the. podcast on the Ringer podcast network is brought to you by state farm just like basketball game. Life is unpredictable, popular state farm agent. Get a team mate who can help you navigate the unexpected. Something unexpected. Is that fight? Island is real folks I. Don't know if it was just a cartoon drawing, but that's enough for me I'm all in on fight island. There were rumors that he could be. Block island, but I never believed him, so it's good to know that it's out there and it already looks done I. Don't know I'm still not hundred percent sure, but it was unexpected because I thought despite island really going to happen. I guess it is get a team mate, who can help you navigate the unexpected talk to a state farm agent today I can imagine fight islands trying to get all sorts of policies on that deal right now, so the Chicago upstate farm. Today's guest will be Dominic Foxworth from ESPN. We're GONNA. Talk about all sorts of stuff and specifically. The CBA and he was the NFL PA president. And I've always loved his perspective on this kind of stuff He's incredibly incredibly. Accomplished Guy, not just playing in the NFL, but MBA, from Harvard, and then working on player size for somebody to thinks so I I like that and make a topical two. And what would it be like right now? If the CPA were not done, and how would it play out differently? Would a player differently at all so a lot of different stuff that we'll do with dominy? But first this week's open is about college. Spending and I'm not talking about tuition. Tuition for your child and I'm not talking about you being in school, trying to figure out how to make it work for twenty bucks over the next week I'm talking about what college programs are spending and specifically college, Football and college basketball all over the country. There have been massive spikes in television revenues. We already know this. GonNa go over some stuff a little bit later, but what we've always heard is there's been this battle of. Can't the players get? Of this and as I've said I'm not an NCAA anarchists, but I do believe that this just a time now for the revenue generating sports to find a way to siphon some of that money to the players now. I'm not all in on some of the stuff that I read about sharing some of the revenue, but I think it can be shared, and there's plenty of money to be there, but will always here is that there isn't enough money now. There's also a lesson here. That's very very simple and that is. If you give a person excuse, they will use it. Most of the time and college programs will always say you know. We just don't have enough money. We can't really do those things now. Facing the coronavirus and I don't know what's going to happen here. In the fall, it went from. Maybe no college. Football will have it in the spring to. Maybe we'll have empty stadiums. We can't really have athletes back if there aren't students that are back, and then it's like what if we do online courses then to Texas schools were like screw it. We're playing football. See you guys. Classes Start September I. Maybe these are a little. Little bit earlier, but you get the point. This is evolved in. It's been rapid, and it's happening very quickly where it feels like we may be building back to some version of college football that we've always lived with now. If the second wave happens, who knows I? Don't know if it's happening. You probably don't know if it's happening either, but that's the point we've. We've moved off of total and absolute pessimism to now kind of. Just hopeful optimism, so that means that there will be if there's a muted version of of whatever the product is the television money will be there, and it'll be worth it because everybody's GonNa be watching, but if you're not making the same in parking and concessions, and all the different things the in game experience, then the programs will say well. You know what we're really not making enough money now. The question I would ask is. Is it that you're not making enough money or it's the way you're spending the. The money because severance payouts to college football coaches in college, basketball coaches have spiked so much in the last decade and a half and I don't think anybody's talking about it. Let's talk about how you spend. Because I know for myself. I didn't have any money really for twenties to early thirties the first time I finally saved a little bit of money I finally felt like a grownup, and it's like man, and in those times where you're not saving money in your living. Check to check and you're going. To have this, contin excited about money that sucks, and you just keep getting into the cycle, but it doesn't really change until you can find a way to actually make more and the first time I actually knew. Hey, wow, this is! I'm going to have this amount of money in my checking account every two weeks, and it feels real, and I feel like a grownup. And I called my father I said this is great, because now finally be able to save some money. Put aside something, and maybe think about something bigger down the road, and he kind of laughed at me and I thought well anyway. Why are you laughing? And! He's always been pretty good it and how he saves, and I thought what what he goes, look, I know you. You've been broke pretty much. Your entire life and I'm not gonNA like you're going to buy a new car. You'RE GONNA. You're gonNA live to your new standard. Now it's not you're gonNA. Save more! You're GONNA live to a new standard because you're making more I was like Oh i. don't know if that's true. When he was right I, did buy a new car. I did a nicer apartment I did buy new furniture I started doing things that I wasn't doing before and then I started realizing. Hey, with all of this money. You haven't saved any of this stuff because now you're living to this new standard that you've set in college. Football and basketball programs are doing the exact same thing. Here's a number for you. From two thousand, five, two, thousand and nineteen, the power five public schools that we have records of. College football has spent three, hundred, ninety million and severance payouts to coaches that are gone and basketball's paid one hundred and two million, and some of that's obviously the staff, the head coach, and maybe even athletic records so in fifteen years of data that this one website athletic director. You actually has yes athletic director. You Eighty you. Lot of the stuff that I looked at their. Over that time, it's almost five hundred million dollars with data. That's actually missing. Now schools when they come back could say well. It's not the same. What are you spending your money on? Well scholarships now, not really travel. No, are you propping up other programs? Yes, that's true in some cases, but what you're really doing is because of all this extra television revenue. You're spending to a new lifestyle and you're getting away with it while you're complaining that you're broke all the time all right now. Let's look. Look at some of my favorites here. Nebraska football and basketball since two thousand five has paid out almost twenty eight million dollars in seven payments, the most of any power, five program Florida, and just football alone is just under twenty five million Nebraska behind them is third third in just football severance payments Kansas at almost twenty four million dollars. The Harbor Kern had an article about uconn football. They generated three million in revenue. It cost him sixteen million. In actual salaries in buyouts, there were some Randy edsel bonuses where he would get to grand. If the team were up at halftime granted. It's just too grand, but the entire contract doesn't make any sense so when I dug a little bit deeper, wait a minute, so is it the because the severances have gone up? You're claiming the yearbook, and yes, we can talk about new facilities and I'm not even telling you that coaches salaries shouldn't have gone up with the new revenue that's coming in from television, but I'm telling you that you can't sit. Sit there and spend all this money on facilities spend on the coaches, but then also fire all these coaches at your so excited to higher in the first place, and then come back and say hey. There isn't going to be any money because that's the other part of this. The money isn't going anywhere. Let's take a look at some of the conference payouts for these programs, the SEC with the new ESPN deal where they're going to have Saturday game of the week, so they're gonNA. Have the CBS game. It's supposed to start in twenty twenty. Twenty four, it could be bought out, and so therefore could start even earlier CBS made a ton of money off of that deal. Because the way it was negotiated, ESPN came in and spent so much more because it's such. A valuable property were the SEC who, in two thousand, eighteen paid out each of its schools, forty, three million. They're going to get a twenty million dollar bump so in twenty twenty four. They could be making sixty five million other projections so that the N. big ten could be close to eighty million dollars per program by. By twenty twenty five in twenty, eighteen, the big ten led the way with fifty four million. That's that forty three million dollar number team in the SEC the big twelve, made thirty, five, million, a team, the PAC twelve and a seed, both around thirty million per team, and they're actually in last. You think okay well. How is the ACC? PAC twelve going to keep up, but think of the increases that we've had television revenue and I just use the AC here because all the numbers were real, the ACC in two thousand eleven in two. Two Thousand and twelve did a new television deal with ESPN that paid the schools then thirteen million per year that doubled the team payouts prior to that in the previous television deal the ACC, not twenty years ago less than twenty years ago, really like thirteen years ago was paying school six million per school with their television revenue. Then it went to thirteen and now their last at thirty. Now there's another part of this. Where if you're out of the pack twelve, you could be word because projections show that in twenty, twenty, four, twenty, twenty five. Five you might be at forty million per team. You're thinking well. That's great. We're a twenty five percent higher, not great. If the big ten in the SEC are both making eighty million per team, and this is all television revenue projections. Now you could say wait a minute. What about the bubble? Because everybody's a bubble expert? After the big short we get that, but is there really television live rights bubble? You could say that just based on trends saying well, everything keeps going this way. There has to be some correction at some point, but. But I could argue yes, as media companies struggle everywhere. The thing they may want is will give me the one thing. I know I can actually turn for a profit, instead of all these other things and experimenting with an are actually working out, and that's why the television bubble live rights sports I. Don't think it's going away anytime soon. And if the bubble means that you're not going to get as much as you thought, he's still get more I. Don't know that that's really a bubble, so you don't even have to worry about how much! Much you've been spending because you can look at the projections realize how much more that you're going to make, and there's been no one that says hey. Maybe this is out of control, because if you go back to two thousand and five, and you look at the actual average severance per these power, five schools is not even close to what it is now. This has just been accepted and part of that is our fault because why we're fans. And then there's more prestigious fans in us that are boosters that write these checks that. AIDS in every time it's the next new hot coach that every fan base absolutely has to have whether it's Tom Herman, who everybody's like an now? Harbaugh? Who I think is unfairly map, but the chip Kelly. Now all of a sudden people think he can't even coach I brought up David, Shaw's one of the five guys I would want to run my program because I think the world of him, and he had a bad season finally and people thought I was nuts even bringing them up because of one bad season after a great decade long run at Stanford Scott Frost, who was like finally? We're back or Or You, Miami is tried to hire everybody with every kind of background and then Kevin someone WHO's first couple of years at am. Other teams were mad that they didn't hire them. And now as a result of so part of this is our need for immediate gratification when the new hire comes in, but we turn the page on these guys so much quicker. The sport is in different right. The sport is in any different I went through the nineteen ninety. Nine SEC coaching tenures and yet spurrier at that point was in his tenth season of twelve. Fulmer was eight season out of seventeen with Tennessee Jim Donovan. Steamers. Only made five years in Georgia I go through a bunch of these other ones. My favorite's still might be Gerry Dinardo. Who Barely won six games at Vandy, actually won coach of the year at Vandy from going one in ten to five and six. I didn't expect to see that. My Research Jerry, Denaro, who went from LS from Vandy to Lsu, which would never happen today and people were still making fun. Gerry dinardo every time I go to Baton Rouge, and then he ended up at Indiana and then he ended up on college game day radio with Dave and Tom mcshea topic. Shea said he was really Nice, Guy Booger McFarland call them a piece of shit on our podcast, which was interesting and there was no real. Follow up there, but. But it just felt different back then because these guys lasted so long, I mean cut cliff was at Ole miss for seven years, and they were like we can do better and cut cliff probably is one of the most successful given. Her circumstances most successful head coaches in college football today. And then he had Houston Nutt. Who made it ten years at Arkansas? Ole Miss couldn't wait to get him in there. And he went from nine and four to two thousand ten and four years. I also have some Jackie. Sherrill stats and I'm not going to share with you because I feel like now I'm getting distracted. Let's bring it back on the track. These guys are getting fired all the time because the money's bigger. But. They're getting all the time because the money's bigger because you feel like hey. We can just fire this guy. Pay The entire staff. We'll have these severance payments. What's twenty five million in severance over a decade? Is it really that big of a deal? Look at all the TV money that we're going to get I had this friend. His name is Mike. He's still a friend. We were both broke. We were on the Cape I think for night out on the summer. And we were like. How are we gonNA pay for everything tonight? And he's just threw it on a credit card. It's like I got it I was really. Is added a couple of things cooking. He had nothing cooking. Nothing. But in his head, he thought he had something cooking and that was enough. He didn't even have the fake money coming that was already fake. 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Celebrate responsibly Miller brewing company Milwaukee Wisconsin Ninety six hours and three point two carbs per twelve ounces. All right I'm excited talk to Dominique Foxworth, two thousand, five two thousand eleven, NFL career, and something that I learned about a dominique, especially getting to talk to him, and be around him is that he was the youngest ever vice president of the NFL, PA Executive Committee, and then in two thousand twelve, he was elected president of the NFL PA, and as I mentioned with bill and I have mentioned this numerous times like I'm a big CBA guy I love talking about it I. Think I understand it. I I would say. Modestly like I know I'm not an expert on it, but just something. That's really interested me I'd never done a segment about the players in the two thousand eleven deal on like man. These guys get killed in this deal, and in Foxworth comes because. Do you have any I? You just set me straight immediately and that's how we met each other. Which I think is it's one of the most important conversations I've ever had. Because you got me to understand so when you would hear somebody like me on the air this platform talking about these CBA you're in it. You're leading it up for the players. What was always the most frustrating part of that for you? People. Don't have all the information in the parachute ended the last minute in like make decisions in of misunderstanding of how negotiations work, they think is like the movies where you can walk in, and you just got to play hardball there. Some sort of negotiation tactics that are trick dollar side. It's about out-smarting them or out gaming I'm not. It's about leverage in in wielding that leverage creating leverage in timing like that's what it's about and. So yeah. I guess I'm used it from being a football player. Football's a complex Damon. People Pass judgment on what happens on the failure, even though the most part unless you are analysts, and you're like watching it very very critically, and you have a background to understand it. People don't really know what happened. They just see like the final score in that determines like hey, guys, thanks disguise. Beyond, you probably hated most every analyst as a player. Yeah, probably I mean, either I hated them or didn't think about it that much I know the. The I. Don't read I don't watch. Thing is is something that people say you assume it's ally, but I didn't really read or watch much stuff about myself. It would get to me sometimes, and it would upset me or make me feel good, but I just didn't Koa that much to consume football twenty four hours a day. And so, that's work I get home I. Don't do a more work to do something fun. Listen to Music Watch show or when I was in my early twenties. Make some friends. So when you are heading up? These negotiations when you broke down the math of it, you know where you go. The NFL is different now. I do think that sometimes the short and career thing can be exaggerated with running back. Oh, you're on the like. If you're good and you're going to, you're GONNA play for longer than the three year average. It's Kinda thrown it. Averages dragged down by the guys that like on a squad for a year. Then they get him off the team and they realize you can't play, but the math just doesn't work out right. Like how possible is it for you to ever have players say hey, we're going to actually change the tide here in really sacrifice some things because that's as we saw from the last vote. It's hard to get players do that especially when associated. Average dragged down by those players, but they're players to May that that matter, so the average I think is the the best number to us, but I do understand your point is like the names that we know. Don't play for three years, but I think the math. The interesting thing is the NFL PA Kinda thought of as one of the weaker unions, but the same thing is happening to all sports and. And you could probably make it even broader is happening to all unions and I guess during this time with exception of the Police Union, that's another conversation, but the power that unions have is dwindling, and we can look at the NBA an people talk about how much power they have ever unique situation over there. And we saw their money went down to see as ago and then stay the same when A. And I was there in the early negotiation when they wanted to increase it same thing for Major League baseball while they don't have a salary cap. They have a very restrictive. Revenue sharing situation that kind of creates a league wide salary CAP, and they have service time that makes it harder for guys to get paid so the I think the average The revenue breakdown I think baseball last checked like three or four years ago, they were the lowest percentage of revenue despite the fact that I have a couple of guys with big numbers, so it's a tough situation in and there's a long way to go to get to the question. That's asked originally is that. The money doesn't work out. Because of how long players careers are relative to how long owners on the team in how much it's worth, so if you have a big piece of Pie and let's say you cut it in half. You split thirty two ways that's better than splitting fifteen hundred ways, and then if you think that you get to get a new piece of Pie or do pie every year for into perpetuity, if your owners then say on average, maybe one point in time I don't remember the numbers now, but I'll pull this out of anywhere. Let's say one percentage point on CBA, just for. To make it easy as like worth twenty million dollars partying. Or get funding for team if you divide that up across all fifteen hundred players, it's not very much money, but twenty million for an owner is a lot of money. If your career as a in about owner last as long as you want it to last, so. If you're saying we're going to lock out. In one of the only points levers that you have as a player is to go on strike or withstand a lockout then every minute that you spend away money that you'll never get back because you don't own your position into perpetuity, you can't hand onto your kids. You will lose that job and every year there's been. Been Away from the game one year older, you are in one less You're earning that you have so. It just doesn't make sense on economic level to win that way, which is why we always end up court and everyone. No one ever likes that, but that's the only way we can find recourse to be able to threaten their antitrust protection and have. Antitrust protection. They're allowed to do a lot to operate the legal cartel because the union exists, which is why when articles I wrote a long time ago that people seem to like with his. Argument that maybe players have outlived the usefulness, all pro sports team or I'm unions have outlived their usefulness in menu. Decertify the Union force in the League. Teams to operate as other businesses would, they won't be able to do some of the legal things like a draft or Have a salary cap and Trade players in all those things that we become accustomed to. I feel like everybody listening fallen asleep already. Ohno care about right. No, but this is promising. No one cares. This is some of the stuff where. It'll it'll make me sound like I. It's very much like a lot of topics right? You have to be all player. You have to be all owner and sitting with enough guys that have played and caring about it as much as I do. I know where I stand on the player owner thing, but every now and then they'll be like a little owner. Thing where I go. Okay well. Is it wrong is? Is the draft wrong? Is it wrong that if you're drafted and you're good like? Is it Seattle's fault that they were the one that picked Russell Wilson and is is it messed up? Russell Wilson's making less than everybody else. Yes, but is it. The ownership is the team's fault like. Is there any part of this where you are like philosophically flexible on? The draft makes sense I. Get how Free Agency and trades work, and that sort of our business as opposed to other labor laws. Further get away from the game. As as may not seem likely than I went to school with the plans of like going crossing over to the Business World Harvard. A whole and making a whole lot of money as lot went there in. A less. thinking like money wasn't as important as that originally thought side. In different directions, I completely understand how businesses operate, now understand how difficult it can be for certain businesses, but it's hard for me to have sympathy when you have illegal cartel like a you're a legal monopoly. You have no competition. For me to feel bad for them, because part of the reason, why I would feel sympathy for someone who was, don't start about or even as someone who had a sustained business, one of the major companies in America. They have real competition and you know what happens if they don't succeed, they go out of business. They lose money stock price that they the worry about short and long-term like none of this applies to professional sports teams like you're GonNa be good. And if you can't afford it. So your team you're only made I. Think the for the NFL might have been three hundred percent. Franchise value growth in the last ten years for baseball. It's like one eighty. I'm not sure what it is for basketball, but like basketball. Muster up. It's going to be even know it's going to be even more, not you're. You're right. There's no I. Didn't mean interrupt you, but it's more I mean. When the triple when the TV rights triple and the Celtics go from a hundred million dollar investment in the early two thousands, or the people made fun of Joe Lak- buying the warriors for four, hundred thousand, plus like Oh my God like the Celtics were overpriced. But what did you just pay for? When you bought the warriors and all those teams you could argue are worth four times as much. Talk a find sympathy given all those facts. That's all I'm saying. And then when we have these situations now coming out of the pandemic where Major League. Baseball is trying not to pay these players. Their full salaries are not even full. Salaries! I and they call their partners like Partners Baseball Salaries Brown. Thirty percent the past ten years. and I think the what I say. One eighty one eighty might have been for football in three hundred. Percent for baseball. They weren't partners when that was happening. Like thirty percent is different from three hundred, so they weren't partners they are so. Why do they need to be? Part is now in the idea that they needed the players to make some sort of investment in the future of baseball. They don't own baseball you do, so you make investment. That's what you do. Make investments in things that you own, and then you reap the rewards later so I'm sorry. Getting fired up, but That frustrates me. The baseball part is I've said I think on the last podcast that I did with Passan go. We're always told it's business as businesses business. What what law passed that guarantees that your business is always profitable. You own a franchise and maybe just maybe hey. You had a bad year twenty twenty. You had a bad year. He still had your paid your employees and guess what next probably GonNa be pretty good, and when you sell your team because you're gonNA, lose money because anyone who has an article about a franchise selling for less when it sold, feel free to forward to. The Right? You made a perfect analogy on on bill. Show when you said it's like owning a big house in a fancy neighborhood and complaining about electric bill like cyber. It comes with owning a house. Sometimes Electric Bill is going to be high. That's that's what. I was wondering which bill pod. Maybe we'll get to that a little later. We talk about it, you know we are. We are going to talk about it, but let me. Two more things on the thing, is there a do this? Sometimes like hey, tell me your best story. And and what do you remember the most? Is there a moment when you were president in the NFL PA? Were you go? Oh, well like the story. You tell your buddies like the most illuminating thing where it's something that kind will stay with you whenever you think about those trying trying to get that deal done. Gosh so many stories And obviously a few of them that I do not want to on record and. Those latest. I'll give you on that I. Don't think I've told before A. Is Okay to be public Jerry Richardson the former owner of the. Panthers wasn't one yeah. He was leading the their management council because they have a just like we have executive day a smaller group that actually participated in negotiations and makes. He was the leader of that he was older at that time and he was falling asleep and the meeting, and fell out of stare and like woke up and we all like. Try Not to laugh at eventually bust out laughing so now was pretty funny and another day. Richardson Story that was in outside of Chicago. One time we were in New York and we're getting close to the end of negotiations and Jerry. Jones obviously print money so any idea of a lockout like you're not interested in it. We were down negotiating small things in Jerry's stood up and said now just circumcising a mosquito and Jerry Richardson said to Jones something like Saddam, or whatever something like that? Jerry Jones say Beck to Jerry Richardson I will work you on the inside. You long son of a bitch. Never forget that else pretty funny. those pretty to pretty good story that they. that is good. I've heard the mosquito one before because the prosecutor, did you. Alongside a bitch part that was that was that was the punchline that's. Now the one that would told me was when I think. Irvine went to Jerry to try to get a new deal. And he started telling him about these investment stories from El Paso Texas, in Irvine's like what I think. It was urban. He was just trying to figure out like where the hell is this story going? And then his Jerry got done meandering and and being folksy for five minutes he went to Irvine. 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The owners like to get this new deal done before the season starts, so look for a deal there. Maybe like yeah I. Understand what they would like, but if I'm Eric Winston. If I'm Damore Smith, if I'm George, telephone, any of these guys going on the players side like yeah, we get your desire here. And then it kept happening right Oh by Thanksgiving you know, and they like to do the new TV deal with everything that has gone on both between the pandemic and conversations that have happened in the last couple of weeks where you can see the NFL reacting in a way. They've never reacted before when it to social issues. What do you think would have happened if the hadn't been agreed upon prior all the stuff going on, and then we opened it back up and brought to the table. Say next month. I mean I think Kim's a level of power to the players that they didn't have before because it's another, it's another leverage point like they can. The players in the players alone have the ability to change the perception of the League and is right now. The leaks reception this kind of negative, and if the players come out and are positive about it, they're largely black. Players are who've been out smoking that bet means something that I'm Ansa a chip essentially and I think it also. Right now they feel like villains, and they so rarely seen, or they rarely are villains are treated like villains in public in only comes down to the players, because everyone knows the players name they don't like. The players are making an and many people are jealous of the players that are like. His money younger than US blacks. Plays into it and when it comes down to like decision making time. People are on twitter are yelling at A. Receivers in D. tackles about man. Just take the money and the players read it and they listened to influence them. The articles that are written are about. Wide a player can't just be happy with their getting so rarely. Do we go through the owners and hit them with thanks? If anyone catches the heat, it's Roger, Goodell and And he can't do anything about it. Necessarily, so as a, it's a tough situation. I think the the tables might be tired a little bit because right now it feels like the public in large are happy to be on the players side happy to feel like they're on the side of right and happy to to yell at. The team owners. Yeah, it's. You know the counter would be. Hey, we have all of this uncertainty and I would do thinking well. Wait a minute I'M NOT GONNA go share a decade-long deal because of like his is, re is unknown. The false still may feel. I'm not signing off on twenty thirty values here because of a pandemic. I'm just not going to do that. I wouldn't even want like I believe that's. That's going to end the conversation, but at the same time you would think that. There's there's A. I don't know if it's real or not. I would think from the messages that we've seen because everybody feels like they have to be putting out like. Hey, we'll make sure we check the box and make sure the NFL ownership. Do these things goodell does the statement and it's like okay, so they're doing some different things I'm just wondering how much that could impact a more favorable player CBA. Maybe I'm dreaming. I'm not sure that it would impacted. That much, but I do know that the impact that you would see is the public pressure. That's something that I feel, and the players care about so that's taken one leverage because right now. The owners and the League have all the leverage. ESPN the ringer, everybody who's covering this like you, don't you recover from pissing off? A player is rare ten fifteen years. It'll be alright. You won't recover, or it's hard to recover from a team or the commissioner or the league like we. We saw that with the Monday night. Football Gates that he spn bat for so long. That is a real penalty. That's hard to recover building ringer. Is Born in part out of pissing off the the powers that be so like when it comes down to people writing articles talking about who's winning and who's losing, read all this I've gotten calls. And emails and text messages never from any players mad about the things I say about him, but certainly from a people at high up these organizations, so they applied pressure in that pressure comes down on the players and the players. Respond to it. I just don't know if enough people understand that Monday night football stretch that ESPN went through. Just older it's. It's been written about I, mean. There've been guys that are that are very close to me that we're involved with Monday night football. That would be like. Did you see that we felt like every week? It was Jacksonville Tennessee and that was not when Tennessee was as fun to watch as they were this past season and Jacksonville had a nice little defensive around there two years ago, but it was. It was a real thing and then. Then when I Jeff Perelman's USFL book, which was awesome and it was whoever did those DVD's? It was ABC I. Think did it with USFL, and then they were just memos, basically saying the NFL. Okay, we're. We're taking it out on you guys in my by counter to that would be and again no one in decision making cared enough about my series on this stuff that it was a change, she but like I never understood when bud see. See would be upset about being criticized I would think why can't you ESPN? Tell baseball like hey, who else is going to be you? Hundreds of millions for the Sunday night baseball slot where it's a really good slap like who else is going to pay you this, so sorry bud. We're GONNA. Push back here, but wouldn't because that was. These are the high high level things that are happening that even guys with voices don't always understand and CVS like. Like CBS or Fox had twenty four seven three channels doing sports. Guess what there'd be people saying some stuff that the NFL wouldn't like or the NBA wouldn't like just. I shouldn't say we anymore, but at the time you're exposed. You're exposed from all these opinion. People that you don't want to tell can't say these things right so I'll push back on you a little bit in that. I agree with you. I wish that's how they felt, but. The risk reward, and now I'm taking management position. The risk ward for ESPN at that time is so so so clear like I'm GonNa Piss off my my writers or my on air talent. who I pay, whatever something was one comma in it or Go to Piss off the league that I pay something with three commas in it, and for what purpose so that I've my organization is like appears to be righteous or something like if I were running the business and I was being graded by the final score. I think I would lean in that direction like I. Understand why that. Why so many companies feel the desire? It's not upset. The money because that's like. That is the power especially with the how we all know how media James Live sports whereas that. You could risk. A couple of writers. Who Don't really get people to show up, or you can risk off NFL? which is the only reason why you exist. I can't believe I. Did not expect this turn that at some point, there be a slightly pro management lean from. Jerry and you all you gotTa do is. Find a way to five I. WanNa Revisit Though your opposition in that, my position was more about baseball and not football. It was strictly a baseball thing where I thought like. Can't you tell baseball that? Hey, sorry. Ceiling joke NO FOOTBALL! I'm with you okay so when you first came ESPN. Were you doing a hybrid thing where you were? Doing stuff for the undefeated. We're also doing some breakdown breakdowns. During the morning rose with Glenn and you were. I. Don't WanNa. See You ahead of your time, but you are always. More outspoken I think you were always looking at things a little bit differently and I think i. it's almost like Oh. What is this guy going to do? Is the NFL analyst or is there more to this? Which is obviously more mainstream now? But how tough was that for you? Both as a player may be early on transitioning media career words like what everybody's trying to figure out your lane, and your lane was more complicated than other ex players. Yeah, I! Mean, I And Been Squad took a job at the NBA player Jason in New York and I was planning on having a professional career, and obviously not like I I would pass judgment on athletes who could only make money by staying in football I didn't want to be that guy. Is I took a year to study and go do the fanciest business school I could find, and that was the plan then I. I moved to New York and I was working from eight to eight ran train with two young kids, and my wife was pregnant with a third, and it just was not a happy existence in than I was I. Why am I doing this? It's making everyone in my life miserable so quick without any plans, and I started writing and always liked to write, and then because of that I was. was writing about race and stuff that I found interesting because of that agent contacted me and then connect me with ESPN. ESPN football people man. It's hard to to sell myself about. People didn't really want me and I don't blame him for that. 'cause like I was a decent player, but like no one knew my name. No one's GONNA show up for that, and then the writing side was like. Like man he does. He's written like ten pieces like he's not. We're not GONNA pay him so I did up meeting John Skipper and he was like well I. Think you're talented. We're GONNA. Pay You and you figure it out. And it just happened that my wife's from DC and undefeated opened and I was interested in race since been, and that's how I ended up there and then I started. Trying to figure it out man and trying to find ways to to get it done in most Dhamma was I don't know how much like this necessarily I might want to move on, but When big important stuff comes up like that's fun I right now. I'm working more in feeling more fulfilled than at any stretch in this time because it feels like big important things are happening, and it doesn't feel like all this inconsequential stuff that. Sports normally is doesn't feel like that's. That's not what we're talking about in. As important and finds all as. It's not as invigorating to me to be able to top all these other bigger social issues. That leads us to this. You reach out to me after the last podcast that I did with bill which I've since talked about an apologize for moments in it. and. I've talked to a lot of different people, but your conversation. We talked off the air. I mean we're not to share all this kinda stuff, but I guess. There's this is one of those things where like E. I'm even afraid I. don't even want to ask the question wrong so I think you just start with, don't. You know I am I. Appreciate it which you did in that podcast and Mike I certainly am not capable for you or anybody else like I said when we talk that we're not friends like we know each other and like we're friendly when we see each other, but we're not like like we talk. They want for immediate thing, but I've always appreciated. People like you and I'm not gonNA. Compare you to anybody else, but. There is a few types of people in business, and there are people who don't want to say the wrong thing. There people who are? Dishonest and we'll say salacious things just for attention and their kids are down here, and then there are also people who I think are unafraid to say their position in and will deal with the consequences, and that's person that I think you are appreciated that because like after I feel like that makes me better especially when you disagree with me, so like I. was fired up on TV Day, and it was good in part because I couldn't sleep that night and three in the morning I was listening to you, and like I disagreed with some of the positions that you took, but none of it was None of it made me angry. Just like intriguing 'cause like an honest person who smarts. Who comes to a different opinion is useful for me in my life and. So, yeah, that's that's all outside. I. Think I have some answers of this. I know I have some answers to this. But what do you think? Was the biggest problem with what I was, and I'm going to explain a little bit more on it what we talked about, but the biggest problem that so many people had. Yeah I mean I think saying that you. Vote for your tax interests like that given who's in the White House right now I think a lot of people are. Certain things! About the decision that you made and it's hard really difficult for anybody to reconcile. Knowing what was said before the election in knowing what's happened since the election, it's impossible frankly to to reconcile. Making that type of decision. It's a hard thing like I I I have. This is like the Ol- I! Have Black friends thing like I actually do have friends that that voted for the current president of because my my best friend from college, my roommate. I became friends with some of his friends, and he grew up in a rural area of Maryland, and I really love those guys I like them a lot, but. I fight with all the time because I just don't understand how they could justify making that decision given. All the things that were going on at the tone and I know we talked, and since then I re listened to the podcasting. You actually never did say that you. Voted in that direction, but that was part of the reason why. I think it rubs so many people the wrong way, and especially right now. When all this stuff is happening, it's like. At his level of bravery. Very few people. Yeah well. You know you know me as we said well I. Think we've we've talked enough in that. You know kind of what I'm doing. I wasn't trying to be brave. It was just a very very. There's there's a bunch of stuff that I. I, regret but then when it turns into something, the thing that's being reported and written about over and over and over again You're just like Whoa, and then I remember talking with you about it and we were both like yeah. Wow, how did we come to this conclusion on the whole thing so I went back and listened and I. That was not what you said, but I don't think that. It's not fair to be critical of somebody for something. They did not say or something they did not do. But there's certainly a bunch of fair criticism to be made of new in that moment, and I think that art of the difficulty and the only bit of. Of understand or this is another bit of me. Understanding management is like while I disagree with some of the policies about talking about the president or talking about racer or politics. It's a blanket policy to protect people from doing what you do. Then is like working through your thoughts. On Air. You know because like I guess nothing you said is anything that I'm sure didn't cross people's minds. I guarantee you that. A, lot of people who are close to riots at some point considered bad wonder if it's GonNa, come over here, but they didn't say it on a on a microphone because it's. If not something you say in that moment and like all that stuff like. I don't know I guess because I saw it as human. It didn't. That's not would bother me at all so like I used it because it was like man. This is good I. Know I need to come on the complete. Other side of this is hard as I possibly can because. because. It's not how I feel at all. I I learned a lot of lessons in in the week, plus since then and you were definitely part of that, because it meant a lot to me that you and I were just of talk a little bit about it, and through it, and then van late, and then I talked for quite a while. I mean know whatever only. You Know Oh. Is that what I'm doing blacks doing? Well. You've got me right now because I am i. don't have any counters. I I don't have any line. Yeah, there's no. That's one of the best thing about this moment while it's not. There's not very many good things about this moment. Actually gone to the protest last couple mornings and like at feeling great. That's invigorating. Another great thing is like. This level of power at black people have right now. Is something that I I've never experienced where I. Just I walk into rooms of white people. They get nervous and everyone's just apologizing me. I'm getting emails and texts that people saying they love me and care about me asking me what to do like. If you told me a couple of months ago, that all of America all of the white men in America would be like nervous in hoping for begging from our fruitful I would have thought of. You're crazy, but it's been fun making all these jokes making people uncomfortable fantastic. Well enjoy it because. I, don't I I'd have no. I have no other line to us here, but yeah man. We'll look. We'll We'll do this again. Right so I appreciate it. Thousand represents you. Okay I. 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The Herd-HOUR 2-UConn, Ethan Strauss

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I do I do wonder if the Disney setup is all inclusive because Zion Man. Has. All inclusive things right. I, mean, just you feel you ever go inclusive vacation, you just feel obligated to eat and drink as much as possible. I can't eat another bite. Okay. It's free I already paid for it. WHAT'S GOING ON WITH ZION How did he fall out shape so quickly? And how concerned are the Pelicans really will ask Ethan Strauss is gonNA join us in fifteen minutes. So smaller conferences continue to cancel their college football season. The Patriot League did so earlier today. Ivy League of course is done. So they were the first to stick their flag in the ground the the big. The big conferences? The power five All have some form a plan to show up and play. It is important to point out that many of these schools have kids back on campus. Some have classes starting as early as Monday. So we're a go for in person learning on some level many of these campuses and college while players have been there they've been tested. Some have tested positive been quarantined or even is located and have recovered. So it feels like we're going to have a college football season except at Uconn. Where they decided to. Cancel their season. This is Randy edsel in his second stint as head coach at Uconn on the Dan Patrick show yesterday. Yes. I had gotten responses from coaches instead, thanks for speaking up in. Glad. You had the guts to do what you've done. Put the pluses minuses down. There's only one plus money and you go down to minuses and there's much more I think there's a lot of coaches. There's a lot of players that don't want to have the season. In the NFL they haven't played association, we'll guess what Clinton's Association spoke up. So those guys to go in and feel safe and then they also if they didn't WanNa play opt out in the college game everybody talks about that. But nobody backs everybody walks away from it when push comes to shop okay that's actually not he's he's lying on several levels. On several easy. The lying just being disingenuous which were in the political season. That's what people toe the line of. Yukon is in playing this year and does it have to do with money? Yeah. It also do it. They're not in a conference. and. If you're not a conference, you can't get conference games when only the the conference teams are either only playing one another like the big ten or the ACC you're playing one non conference game. And many of them have to be the regionally located right there in their own state. So. The first thing is that the idea that college coaches are calling randy, let's go. Boy. Way To stand up we believe in like do you WanNa talk about phony Brel if they were in the big ten, the big ten said, Hey, you can. We need someone east coast we got Maryland Rutgers we need to play with us for a year much the way that not or if the ACC said, hey, we're gonna put you in a little quadrant with Syracuse for big as member. BOSTON, College for Big East member, we're GONNA have to play up there. Would you do it? You can't would be playing with three days today. You going to say no to the Notre Dame NBC Money Hell No. The second thing the second thing is, is like well, there's only one pro and that's money. We'll. We'll go back to the money thing because somehow money has become an evil word. I don't know maybe there's little bit more to it than just playing for money. This is brock. Who started Washington college volumes for Fox sports on what to play for outside of money? You know I think the last time I was on with you Doug we talked about Joe Borough in what one year meant to Joe Borough. You know hit he not had last year. He probably isn't even drafted into the NFL after his first three or four years in college but he needed that incredible year and with it, he becomes the number one pick in the draft and the heisman trophy winner and and you never know what a year can bring. None of these guys that are sitting out are sitting out because they fear. Having covid. That that's not why they're sitting out. There sitting out because they don't want to hurt their draft stock like you know what I'm good and I really only came to play and so so please stop with the I. Love My brothers at College I i. Love Him so much. I'll be rooting for you like. What are you? Talking about, you could come and play and be a star and improve your stock or maybe get hurt or maybe not. But whatever. But if you really love like brothers, you're GonNa be there playing football. You're not your goals or to play in the National Football League and somebody has told you that you're gonNA play in the NFL. So sit tight. So, you lied to you not playing. You're lied to that only money is the reason that you play. Right you you do play for the glory. He do play to win try and win a championship by the way just the reality of if no one plays football this year you've got this kind of load of. Another new class with graduating seniors guy everybody gets next year yields ability you you have the scholarships to expand you like, of course, you do college ball makes tons of money. They would make any money and still be carrying a ton of expense. You've been lied about the individual. I've told people for years like look. I'm not saying guys do and making a name for themselves in college football is in great. But let even Trevor Lorrach. Trevor Lawrence, it's going to be the number one overall pick or at worst the number two overall pick right. If. Trevor Lawrence doesn't play for Clemson this year. Unit Watch Clemson. When. They're on. TV. Right if you're. Watching Clemson. Watching Clemson. That's a do. And Die Hard. Diehard comes. Out I'm out. I mean that does Shawn Watson is the most accomplished quarterback they have when he graduated he finished the next year people still watch clemson much be more. Right. So. And then and that's Trevor Lawrence. WHO's the one percent of one percenters who's playing in college football and maybe the mainstream fan we'll tune in to see him every week if he's not playing all the rest of these guys come on. I'm not saying that they're not important to their individual team. I'm not saying that, but you got rondell Moore who had this great freshman year at purdue last year he had an injury plagued year. And he's opting out of playing at purdue people like well, you know name and likeness like what? What what value does not one more person is going to watch or not watch purdue because you don't have Rondell more who's a slot wide receiver and you know kind of in his own right like a mini tyreek. Hill. Without any off field baggage get ready for the NFL, he's a good player. He'll play in the NFL it then look if that's what you. Like on some Level College Football College athletics is told well, you know. We don't have a say in opting out. Yes, you do you absolutely do. and. We can get to later on the show why opting out is not actually safer than opting in not the react you know just the reality of it. But there's far more prose than just money money is not some evil thing. It does take money in order for all the players to be well taken care of. All of the athletes on campus to have their scholarships, all of the coaches to make money the school to pay off their debt service like all of these things do in fact, take money. Now. If it was the only reason and it's just the money chase and it was something illegal and there's a high high. Percentage probability that kids or any sort of probability that kids were going to get sick deathly ill. Then of course, you shut it down, but there's there's no statistical data that tells you that. and. The whole world is opened up your if you're going home. You're going home to a a a world where unless you're staying home quarantine with your parents. You're just as unsafe. and Oh yeah. By the way now you're bringing whatever you have potentially home to your parents who are the real run ones at risk. Like. The elementary school discussion is really interesting because you do need parents to be able to go to work, and if you're doing homeschool, you can't on the other hand you know we still don't know enough in terms of other people on campus and who could get it and how it's passed on all these other things. So I'm not sitting here telling you I'm going full Clay Travis and try to call you a corona bro. I'm just telling you from the reality of it. The reality of it is in the NFL. You're getting tested every day. You're not getting that at home. In the NFL, you're in some sort of controlled environment. You're not getting at home unless you're staying at home for the entire football season and no one's doing that especially, not a college kid. WHO's waited his entire life to get away from his? Now on your back with your parents. Will no I'M GONNA go train in Orlando at. Bradenton. Like. Okay that will be a controlled environment either. And I think we'll have a couple nick marquesses as well. Nick Marquess. Longtime Major League Baseball? Player. At times star. He opted out and then he was like wait they're playing baseball and they're okay I went back in how many which will. Like I'll talk to me October first when Ucla played USC when we're twenty three days away from Michigan and Ohio State right to talk to me then it's like. The the whole thing is a lie even the even the letter from the pack twelve players that said there's going to be this boycott. Boycotting. They WANNA play, and the guys that don't WanNa play aren't not playing because of covid they're not playing because they're concerned about their NFL draft stock. Players Treating College football like a way station to the pros when it should be treated as something that's going to grow their brand, their skill set and their career after football. And we're told by, I, mean rainy Etzel said is embarrassing for the profession? Because what what he's doing is taking the moral high ground, which isn't a real moral high ground cause there ain't no way in Hell that the ACC said, hey, you come. We need another team. Can you play they go like Nah? We're good. We've been searching for relevancy since randy out left after losing, they lost in the fiesta bowl. Like nine years ago he got on a plane afterwards fluid Maryland took the job, the team, which wasn't any good that eight and five but there were at least fairly relevant haven't been relevant since dying for relevancy trying to make money trying to make individual and football, which is a hard world and they get off for a spot in the ACC and they go no no, they couldn't get any games so they cancelled the season. They actually did it to lose less money. which is the opposite of what Randy edsels trying to make you believe. and. By the way, then what he essentially says is all of these other colleges and college programs that are playing, they're only doing so because the month for the money. It's bad life. Too Bad line eighth and Strauss joins the show next. Should the Lakers be worried about their lack of shooting? What in the world is going on with Zion. 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I actually think it's a pretty good option I don't know. Since since the restart since the restart. The, the Lakers Lebron shooting twenty December seventh from Three Anthony Davis Twenty Four. Eighteen. Danny Green twelve percent from three dion waiters ten percent Jr Smith has not made a three since joining the the Lakers. Obviously, it's bad. It's it's really twenty three percent. In the five in the five games in the bubble to. Thirty three percent. Any sense for why the Lakers they worn. Good. Three point shooting team but they weren't this bad previously. Yeah I would rather have good than bad. But at the same time, just do they care is that important to them or they just retooling the rotation at this point I just don't see a tremendous amount of motivation for them and absent that I'm not going to not to panic on their behalf, but this does get it something but. They've got some inefficient guys who can do inefficient things and you can try to rationalize it, justify it and say. Oh. Well, that's the type of shots that you need to take in the playoffs whether it's waiters or what have you. But if they end up losing and you could totally see this as the reason why so I'm a two minds on on the other hand. You know not that big a deal not that big a deal. Results right now don't matter. But on the other hand, if they do end up failing this will probably bite. or or Lebron's inability to carry them through that. because. They weren't good three point shooting team all season but the biggest determining their success or failure is the brunt look at the the the splits are pretty obvious right twenty, seven a game when they win twenty game, they lose the percentages are different I. I. Guess The question is does he still have it in him to fully carry a team like you used to? I wouldn't count it out but this is how it will go right is this how it will go we will keep trusting that Lebron will recapture the magic until one day you won't right. That's how that's how will unfold I don't WanNa get there yet I think this is again a situation where we know Lebron Paces himself we've seen it time and time again where he paces himself where he doesn't go full tilt and then turns it on eventually when needed I would trust that is more likely to happen versus that he's just older now and he just can't do it now. But that day will arrive it will arrive it has to arrive. Okay. What about the clippers? They do they care is? Are they retooling and reworking through the things? Do they care? The kings of knock Gary Right I mean this is. This is the perfect season. Championship wouldn't it? When you don't even have a parade down Kerala there's nobody really honored that think much about it. That would be the perfect for Clipper Championship I. I don't know how much they care, but they have more depth than the Lakers do. So even if they don't care tremendously and even if they have players missing, they have so many guys who can stop up lost in everything going on i. just think it's such an impressive roster to the clippers have put together and it is in my opinion, the best roster among all I tend to agree with you and I think that's why they are. They are the favorite Doug, Ali bin for Columnists the hurt Ethan Strauss joining us from the athletic covering covering the NBA Simmons gets hurt dislocated kneecap right and the argument for keeping Simmons instead of Embiid was you know I'm beat breaks down all the time now Simmons's had back and a knee in the same year and he he's not there's not really the progression as a shooter the way you would hope at this point in time what do you think the chances are the likely? It is that they decide to move simmons in the off season. Wow, that's been discussed. That's been rumored for a while it does seem the NBA. Does produce these situations where it seems like it's gotTa be one guy or the other guy for the franchise to jump up a level and yet many franchises they just can't do it. They can't make the hard choice. It seems like maybe with the Sixers, it's gotta be embitter sentence as far as what their long-term planning is but you don't see them point the trigger on it and you see that similarly in Portland for years where yeah the Portland Trailblazers good team right there. They're enjoyable. But it seems like at some point they should have made that choice that's gotta be Damer CJ and they've got to go and once you Jack Three in order to maximize optimize and when teams are comfortable and their winning just enough they don't tend to swing for the fences in that way but I think that they should so to answer your question no, I, don't think this will do it i. don't think they'll do it because I've seen too often that teams don't make that choice, but it was probably a logical par choice to make. Agent Strauss, joining us here. What about the bucks they did come from behind get a win but for a team that was playing so well for most of the season, they haven't been able to they haven't been able to think last what six of eight overall. What what's your sense of the bucks? Well. First of all, they burned a lot of gamblers in that last game that That nine point spread. That was quite a shocker to some of the people who took a sharp bet on the heat with how they came back. That's first of all second of all. I think you there's such impressive regular season team but I do have my doubts on them winning a championship and they play. So beautifully together, they're mostly a positive story but a defensively, they give up so many threes and it just seems like we go up against the team who shoots a lot of threes that say the rockets did that that will come back to haunt them and you can't just spend your defense of reading in the play offs. We act like that. Sometimes all you know tops in defensive rating. So when the march into the Situation that might not work. So I've got my concern right there about how their strategy to wall off the rim completely and give up threes especially in a bubble environment where there isn't a crowd you're not getting nervous maybe like you wouldn't ordinary setting you know those threes just might start really flowing in this open gym setting that we're seeing from the opponent and then on the other hand, the shot creation is an issue you got your. Tremendous. He's an incredible player but can't really create shop off the dribble for himself and he does have very deliberate. Some would say predictable style of Eurostat or using his shoulders to get to the rack and the kickout pass, and then they don't have guys to really supplement really create apart from him I like him but I don't know Middleton is that second tier star so that's why long way to way of saying I don't really buy them as a championship team I just don't and I think that they're fantastic I think they've optimized their talent tremendously and. They're a great story, but I just have to be honest that because of those deficiencies I don't see it for them. Do you see Portland and look Charles Barkley. If Portland pulls off an upset of the Lakers, he'll be viewed some sort of genius. If he doesn't, he'll be called an idiot in fairness I. think he was asked to make a bold prediction and even though he think he picked the Lakers to win the championship because of Anthony Davis his bowl prediction was the trailblazer beat the Lakers like those things can coexist but in in reality in your mind. Can the trailblazers who do seem completely rejuvenated with? Nurkic back with Collins back can they pull off the upset of the Lakers? Well. I kinda think. So just because the bubble is so discombobulated, we don't know what to expect. I. Thought the thunder were one hundred to one a couple weeks ago and I said take that debt and take that that you don't know I. Don't think it's a hundred to one of the thunder win the championship. It seems like it's a little more jumbled. You don't. You don't know guys four they could fake injuries. This is not the standard situation. So I think possible probable of course not but I also think it speaks to why Lillard up there in the Pacific northwest he just has. A resident that you just wish some of the other NBA stars or seems to take it seriously he seems to really care and have that competitiveness and not it's ironic because people would say he's got this rap career on the side but that doesn't really seem at odds at all You doesn't seem totally distracted in the way the other players do there's just something about his general or and star quality that just seems like it's something that the NBA could benefit from. If you saw overall considering some of the they're having right now resonating with the American public. Awesome. Awesome stuff. Even Strauss Ethan. Thanks so much for joining us. I'm sorry I must say I can't let you go I. Forgot I felt like maybe it's my my brain. Let me take a sip of coffee. I look I know that when you see Zion and person at any point time, he's built built like football player, right? But I was under the impression that his fitness level had improved during quarantine that he was gonna come out and then he took some time off for the family thing whatever and I look I know if you if you don't watch the games or you only watch the highlights you like Oh yeah he's. He's scoring basically a point a minute and he's still getting dunks but doesn't look great how what? What's your reaction to house looked? I would advise people are interested in this to just start washing some of his highlights the different guy he's a different guy I mean he's bill incredibly and with that size and his skill and his natural quickness, he can still pile up the points but a doesn't seem like the Pelicans are doing great those minutes because. He's not exactly moving the way you would want him to move on defense and be. He's just not. He's not physically better than he was at Duke he's physically worse. I think it's pretty obvious You don't have to be a doctor even though I did interview a doctor about it you can see it and so that's a bit concerning. It's a bit concerning and I would even say more than a bit concerning because overall it's not just about the public Pelicans the NBA sheets I on Williamson to come through. A lot of people don't admit it. There's a lot of happy talk a lot of. Obfuscation but they are not getting the viewership that you expect them to get off of this whole Quarantine and Zion is the future. He's the reason why they're twenty two teams. They're they're hoping that he can be that next for star that the American public loves and so he needs to be healthy and. The background. Your Doug does agree and what kind of dog. The half border Collie. Half Lap. Is there a name for that colleague everything because everything's doodle, it has a doodle, but there's nothing with the lab. There's a name for it, but I'd recommend it apart from the situation where he's barking in the background he's really good boy. So I, I don't know what the combination is. I don't know what the Portmanteau is, but I'll look into it and I'll get back to you on the next time. Great. Stuff man thanks for joining us. Thanks for having even Strauss from the athletic. I almost forgot design. I want my dummy man just you know needs more coffee. Let's get to rhyme music with the news. On the news. This is the headline news. Doug, we'll pick it up right where you and Ethan left off with some NBA here. Some unfortunate news for the fans of the Philadelphia Seventy sixers. It used to be a regular injury update for Joel embiid. He's remained relatively healthy recently, but unfortunately, there other star player Ben Simmons is the one who continues to battle injuries just before quarantine and covert put a stop to the season he was dealing with a back injury. Now, he is dealing with a left knee injury at first they held out hope that he might be day day the MRI's came back he did end up having a partial dislocation of his left knee there was no ligament damage. So they are looking at potential treatment options. Now there's a couple of ways this could go. There was. Several NBA players in the past who've had this same injury. Some have been able to come back within a couple of weeks or Andrew Bynum suburb this injury back in two thousand eight and it took them over eight weeks to come back. So, this could be a Andrew Bynum is not something you ever WanNa use as they, right? Hey Andrew Bynum came back from this one. Yeah. Right. Because his career was shortened because of because of continue knee injuries. But my thing is. It's weird because it wasn't. It was like a nothing play that allowed him to to slightly dislocated, right? Yes. There was there's another comparison. What we saw happen. That's a full and complete total dislocation. Shebek in the somehow but there was, but he got hit. Got Hit and that's why popped out right where's this one just kind of popped out again, he's just landed in kind of Dow. John's look in and of itself not a huge deal. Like hurts their season maybe their chance to win a championship. But when you in east, just hurt his back and wants to play like wait I thought he was the healthy one and embiid with the bang-up one he also. There was that whole debate? Should he be rookie of the year because he missed his entire first season due to the foot injury which I think was the list frank that the tiny bone durant same thing with Cam. Newton. So we've gone from foot toback to knee. All seemingly. Non contact kind of injuries I know you've talked about this in the past with. Not, holiday former baseball player where it's like he gets hitting on the hand, but the fastball is handbrake your injury prone like got hit in the head of the path Paul Right. But when you get hurt on your own and nobody you jumped up to grab a rebound and you just land in your knee pops out and that's after determining your tweaking your back to totally different thing. Correct. Correct take. Also we will move it along here to the NFL Doug. We talked about this last hour we will continue with a little bit more from Cam Newton. He did have his first News Press Conference v Zoom with the Patriots today he was asked about working with bill belichick quote there's a perception but at the end of the day, it's football I've loved it ever since I've been here he referred to being in New England as a breath of fresh air and he also said you hear rumors about certain things but once you get settled in none of it really matters. So I guess that means he likes Bill Belichick I'm not entirely certain but According to Cam Newton it's all just football at the end of the day whether you're playing for Ron Rivera in Carolina or Bill Belichick New England just football. Football. Yeah I don't think it's just football when you just like everything's happy go lucky the honeymoon phase in like your relationship. But what happens when the stuck together and corn train right? You know you start really hitting hardships. Is it different when you got married like. Like talk to me. A couple of kids somebody loses his job. You know talk to me when there's When? When your attention starts to wane because you've been together a long time, it's just football that also seems like A. Bad. It's baseball right where the classic baseball excuse for something. I think the challenge for Cam Newton is not gonna be learning new offense it's going to be does he really want to be coached everybody says they want feedback even in my industry? But they don't really they wanna be told, Hey, less swinging. That was awesome. Do that again just be you you're awesome right and it's the same thing with playing quarterback Camden has been told he's awesome. Has He ever been coached hard because he will be coached hard in New England. Yeah. You had mentioned earlier in the show that there was a former teammate of Cam Newton and Carolina who also spent time in New England at a separate time and he that was exactly his concerns that the situation was. From his perspective that didn't necessarily go hard on Cam in games that he didn't play well because they thought that his ego wouldn't be able to handle it but then pointed out how tough bill check the on Tom Brady and how that set the tone for everything and having some doubts as to how those personalities with. Mesh, we'll finish it up here with some Major League Baseball News. Doug. Do you know who the best team in baseball is right now? Yankees dodgers twins cubs. No Sir Marlins Miami Marlins. That's right. The team to have the first outbreak actually has the best winning percentage in the League right now at eight, fifty seven after another win over the Orioles Orioles and they have only played seven games as opposed to some teams who played thirteen or fourteen crazy right like you look in some teams played fourteen games and they've played seven games. Seven. The only interesting thing here is I look the orioles or not supposed to be one of the MIR teams. So when you get three or four wins against one of the worst teams that makes you not the very worst team but surprising that the Marlins were not expected to be any good this year but somehow to this point have the best record in major league. Baseball. I nothing thing that's interesting is that the braves scored seventy four runs the most in in baseball so far The the problem with the braves there plus twenty one is the dodgers allowed point scored seventy but allowed only thirty seven. Look ultimately. Waters can find its level, but it's fun. See The marlins with this bizarre start, not just with the corona virus outbreak. But also with their actual success in limited in a small sample size on the field. With the news. Well, that's the news. Thanks for stopping by. Heard, lie? The trailblazers who we want the Pelicans to be. 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It's all about the money and trying to night is probably the stupidest thing you've ever said no I've said bar stupid righteous avoid that one out. they're they're only playing because of money whenever you sub for calling you sound like such a moron. The only reason they played for money. Okay. Nothing else like trying to win the game representing your school representing your family improve. Your standing within the team. You know playing for each other maybe even your your draft stock. I. Guess You could says about money be it. By the way. By the way. Doing, things for money is not a bad thing. Like we do understand that colleges make money off of all of their students. All of them. All of them. So college is like is colleges. Job is to educate people, but they don't do it for free. It is not a charity. which is the same thing as college football such truly a business it's not truly a charity. Somewhere in the middle. Someone middle. So, but it's definitely not the stupidest savers said I would. I would challenge that one. I'm. Not. Sure. If you're aware but once upon a time I thought steph curry shouldn't of come out of school early I mean as far dumber right is way worse. Dustin as a Dustin may is gonNA join us next hour. Rule he's better shower because he's filthy. Oh. Golly. Liners. Did you guys see cowherd tweet out a picture of his dog buddy yesterday did you notice that the feet were included in the shot? It's now become a thing nick right pointed out. It's now become a thing always feet in all of his photos of him chilling at his house always feet what what is the deal? Maybe because he got good toenails, I don't have good toenails. I'm working on getting better toenails, but maybe it's because he has good toenails. You Know I. There are many people myself included who thought the reason that they wanted to have more teams in the bubble than just playoff teams. was because they wanted to have the Pelicans involved as much as possible. If you remember back to when they decided to put twenty two teams in the bubble. Remember member when they decided to do that. I hope was. Let's let's get more of Zion on TV and maybe you get the Pelicans into the play offs the Pelicans in the playoffs and Zions in the playoffs. How did that work out? Not Well. Not, well, the Pelicans have lost three out of four games in the bubble. Zion Williamson's going to sit out tonight against Washington to rest on the second half of a back to back like dude is twenty years old and he's sitting out like he's forty. Eight. The PELICANS are so bad now that they've fallen behind everybody record wise everybody record wise except for the wizards in the bubble, they have the worst Western conference record in the bubble. And they get the wizards and Zions not gonNA play. Meanwhile the Portland Trailblazers. Are quite a different story. Last night they got a win over the nuggets. and. It's not like they're beating the bad teams. Yes. They beat the sons who are actually surprisingly pretty good. The Grizzlies who were the eight c they lost nicklaus one to the Celtics they beat the rockets. One ten to one or two, and then they just beat the nuggets they're starting to beat the playoff teams in the bubble. There helped dramatically by being back he had twenty, two, seven and four SIS- Zach Collins is back as well seven and nine into assist Gary Trent junior get out of duke starting to come into his own as his Israel's been established and I kind of freaked out I know that that. Collin did something are Camello Anthony He did hit the big three which put them ahead for good. The Houston Rockets. He was just four or fourteen before that shoddiest five last night he regressed you know two of twelve he looked older he looked like he couldn't move nearly as well. It was hard to find good matchup Michael Porter Jr. blew up because Carmelo can't garden. But. Still the wizards. Behind forty, five and twelve from Damian. Lillard. The. Was the blazers are who we thought the PELICANS could be. Like we thought, the Pelicans were limited only because Zion was hurt the first half of the year get Zion back and suddenly now they're a playoff team. But that's been the blazers. The Blazers who are complete disappointment. Up. Until the time of quarantine now, the get mortgage back now to get collins back and they're starting to win and not just win but be playoff teams. The Blazers are we wanted the PELICANS TO BE The PELICANS are we thought? Trying to think who we think the PELICANS are like everybody's kind of switching teams and switching names who are who are the Pelicans Mean they're. Almost, like the nets. Except there guys have actually shown up whereas the nets didn't show up at the guys they do have are playing really guys are playing really really hard. Anyway sons surprisingly decent as well. Sons of one four row. They're hanging around for chance to get that eight spot. Grizzlies have taken a beaten. They've lost five in a row, and now they're tied in the win column one less loss than the blazers but the Blazers of course got that big win last night. Out No I'm outlook, I understand what would call on his said about Zion and on some level I do agree that he has this other worldly talent. and has gifts at a style that the League is trending towards if he can continue to develop his jump shot. But man, he's got to figure out that body stuff. People always think that in the NBA you don't make it because you're just not good enough and that's not always true. That's not usually even mostly true. I'll never forget I was. Planning. A league called a USB L.. Shout out to all my USB alums out there. Muggsy bogues in Bulwer. Connecticut. Anyway. I remember I was getting ready for my first USB game and had. We had we had Willie Burton who scored fifty in an NBA game. He's a hell of a player ninth pick in the NBA draft Willie Burton. We had BUBBA wells lead the country in scoring it. Had Austin P. The second round pick of the Mavericks? Galen Young Second Round pick of the Bucks We had we just had guys. And without mentioning anybody else's name I, call my dad. And I was like dead, you won't believe. How good some of these guys are I can't believe there. And he's like son there's always a reason and it's not. Usually not always how good you some guys it's women some guys. It's food. Some guys that can't be coached. Right? Some guys can't handle professional lifestyle. Some guys can't pass some guys can't shoot me. 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The Rubicon of Trust

Championship Drive

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The Rubicon of Trust

"Carello everybody you're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold. Dr. Pepper mission where every day is Saturday in everyone's a fan, even babies and the seasons never change because the only season is college football season get a taste of fans Ville this fall during a college football game near you Dr Pepper, the official Drake, a fans Ville grab some today. This is campus conversation. Now, here's your host. Ivan may Zell Haskins steps up in the pocket throws. Thirty twenty. Fairly school. They complained lawmakers. I would never get that excited. I'm not that good. That's produced sports network from field. Welcome back to campus conversation. Monday I over twenty second week. Eight is done. Sigh of relief from Columbus and other points in the big ten, perhaps east Lansing. We will get to a breakdown of a remarkable weekend in the big ten and where the conference stands and touch on a few other games as time permits joining me when I say we that I say me, I'm Evan mizzle joining me Peter burns. Hello Peter, I just trying to wonder what would get Ivan Maysville that excited. Like what? What is like? Is it the winning the one point, six billion dollars in mega millions like I just be Ivan, Mozelle winning it, and I could just see you going. I have to pay taxes now on a lot of money. What would excite you that much? I haven't. Why you know, Peter, I am not a hog. Get fat. Hogs get slaughtered, bought tickets for the Powerball which. Six hundred million. Okay. You'll settle out. You'll settle for that. I got it, and I have one ticket that had two numbers, so I feel pretty good about, you know, it was a good warm up. I'm getting ready for this week. That's a great deal. Exactly. Thank you very much. Also in the lottery business this week, Ryan McGee ELO McGee what's up. I'm I wanted to Iowa City for the first time this past weekend for a football. Very cool. And that was that's that should be on folks that should be on your college football bucket list. I've had a great year this year, going places and having the time to walk around and let me tell you something no one, and I'm this is from guy who's covered thirty races at the Talladega superspeedway no one beats our city for like really proud of their old dilapidated, winnebago RV shoebox shaped vehicles and like tricked out it was it was a thoroughly enjoyable experience. I meant to tell you, I drove from Tuscaloosa to Atlanta last Sunday morning and went right past Talladega. And I looked at all the dilapidated tricked out winnebago's and thought of you says, I could have hooked you up. You should let me know. I would have. I had time delta was calling more fun facts with our travel plans. Later in the show. My one question, were you able to get a room in Iowa City because the last time I went, I had to stay in Davenport, I was no. I was one town over and. Okay, good. The eleven AM game helped. I think a lot of people. Either slept in their cards or drove in that morning. So yeah. Now I will end the dilapidated winnebago's miles of the stadium, and I'm telling you it was it was a little brisk little windy like a little windy as in no one had could put their tents up for the tailgate, but that's our thing. That is Iowa. I've told that story before on the podcast, but an old big eight official told me one time he was talking about doing night's game in Ames, and he says, you know, when you're out there on that field, the only thing between you the. The said, the wind coming down the candidate from Canada l. anything between you and it is barbed wire. That ain't stopping much as you. Okay. Well, more fun travel discussions and actually maybe some football after we get out of the tunnel. Time to come out of the tunnel on campus conversation. Really no question, which was the better team Saturday night at Ross eight stadium, and it was the boiler makers. Now, winners of four straight after three close losses to start the season. They are definitely in the mix and the big ten west of forty, nine to twenty final and and Peter. You've got to go all the way back to twenty seventeen to to remember Hypo state loss that bad. Yeah. Well, do well or twenty? What twenty eighteen right? I mean it was just when you're talking about losing by thirty one Diallo and of course we saw that and kept it out of the college football landscape last year. That was twenty. Seventeen Peter twenty. Sorry. Yeah, I'm getting. I'm in the time machine thinking about the winnebago's. But yeah, I think it's so much and I know we're going to get into the struggles of a highest state, but let's start with just how great it was. The bronze team come together just it was everything that that that Kurt herbstreet in Fowler wanted to have. And one of those games guys. Right? Like it was nighttime. It was prime time. You had the Tyler. Trent story that Tom Rinaldi, a wonderful job telling on college game day that had us all in tears. It just was one of those games in which college football seems like it's been written in it's scripted and it lived up to the script for the Purdue Boilermakers in it was frankly fun to watch, especially as a, you know, non-biased, big tin fan just as a college football fan. That's that's what I live for this part of the season. It really was. I'm glad you brought up Tyler. Tread a heart warming devastating piece of journalism from Tom, Rinaldi, Lawrence stole the producer. And the fact that he did come to the game and he was there to celebrate with the team afterwards was just it just made a put a wonderful bow on on the story, but. On the field, Ryan. Just it was incredible to me how Purdue dominated both sides of the ball. We see guys like I'll confess I didn't know who Rondell more was. Twelve catches one hundred seventy yards. Two touchdowns. That was just. Incredible. I mean, they were so much better than Ohio Saturday night well, and his his last it was run is what it was technically reception. But did that last touchdown. He scored some the entire game up to me. Yup. But really they had three or four chances to bring him down and did not do it, and it was a lot of just grabbing tackling like it was a lot of the the first guy that wrapped him just waited on him to lay down and it didn't happen and more kit running through it. And so it was to me, I have him at the shoulders. Yeah, right to me that really that catch run, whatever you wanna call it summed up the entire night because it would just was. He just ran right through and to me it just I just showed a defense that, yes, I understand that they're missing their heart and soul in the middle. He's gone. And yes, I understand that. You know, they haven't had a lot of listen, I saw them. I saw that defense in person against two lane and the linebackers did not have a single tackle in the game. And so I just think it was untested group, particularly in the middle and and they just got pushed around it, really, really shocked me. They looked unfocused, honestly, I think that's the most frustrating thing to me just as a college football fan guys in Ryan and Ivan is at the fact if you look at the roster. I mean, I talked to Greg macaroni spent some time in Columbus, and he'd knows these rosters, as well as anybody. He's a student of the game, and he's like, this is the one team that could compete with Alabama because of the roster. They have the talent. It's just the sheer frustration. A Buckeye fan must have saying, well, here's another year in which we have all tell. Of the world. But for some reason, we just continued to lay goose eggs and it was four weeks in a row that they came out sleep walking in the game until they kit in just over talent a team on the road. And that's what happened on Saturday night. The two things I think of one, it's impossible to know what the tumbled of August what effect if any, it had on this team. But if you think of them in terms of being unfocused, your word Peter, that's one thing I think about it. And the other was you're going to be on the road at night on national television. You're gonna have some adverse moments and it just felt like the minute the game got difficult. They didn't know what to do, and that's what it looked like and and they. Panicked is not the right word, but they just didn't handle adversity very well. I've a real quick. I want. I want to go back and what you're saying about. We don't know about how much August and we're obviously talking about the urban Meyer situation and getting suspended in in all the allegations. Eight administrative leave obtained administrative. Make sure that by me, I would I, this is the only time ever. I will disagree with Ivan the great Ivan, may I think it has everything to do with the season. I think they came out on focus and undisciplined again, again, four weeks in a row, and I think this is what happens when you have urban Meyer at the hill. I mean, urban is sitting there talking about and he was worried about deleting text on his phone and sending out apology tweets like remember, he did four or five of those on Twitter. Then you know what, what the findings of this kind of sham internal investigation, we're going to come together and find out. And I, I don't think there's a doubt on this level of college football in a good conference against good teams that if you don't have a whole coaching staff, that is one hundred percent on board starting top to bottom, you're going to get caught and you're going to be a fraud. And I think that's what's happened. This is a fraudulent season for Ohio State and they, oh it to. They put themselves in the situation. The situation. I'll tell you this and I'll stand by this and you can call me an idiot and you can hit me up on Twitter at Peter burns ESPN and say that I am because many times I am. I think this Ohio State team would have been better with Ryan day as a as a head coach, the entire season and not urban Meyer. I think there's still a lot of residual effect with that. And I think that that's that hurt urban Meyer in Ohio State University herp the players that have busted their tails to to not have better leadership in that led to be an unfocused undisciplined, and that's why they struggled the live on pack there. I, you know, I just don't know how you measure it, and it's easy to sit here and say, well, I happened and then be happened. Therefore they'll one led to the other short of talking to people in Columbus. I would reserve judgment, Ryan, what do you think? Well, I just think I mentioned that to laying game which which was a foregone conclusion what the outcome was going to be, but it was over Mars first game back. And there was so much emotion like leading into that game that damn I wrote a story about it because it just it just overwhelmed everything in the win the game was over. Everyone looked exhausted like it was more of that than was relief. And so I just wonder if I said all along going into the year, at what point would this catch up with them? And I don't think I think it's the only not the only factor, but I think certainly is is par even his body language, right? I mean, the whole teams, body language, Irvine's body language even than their wins. Just seem your. I think that's the best word McGee. Just just sheer exhaustion, whether it's physical or mental well and that, yeah, that. I think that's revealing the the fact that they were Tucker it out after leading to lane forty to nothing at the half in most cases, that's not something he would. You know, pretty soon and you've got your third team, but if it took that kind of toll on them and that's the kind of season it's been. Then of course, at some point, it is going to catch up to them. Ohio State drops the foreign wine in the big ten east a full game behind Michigan which couldn't have liked more dominant on the road at an arch-rival at Michigan state twenty one to seven final can stay still trying to gain one hundred yards in total offense in that game white get there while Michigan was on the field. Which to me, I thought of LSU, Alabama, national championship game watching Michigan state trying in vain to make a first down. Peter do we trust Michigan at this point, have crossed the Rubicon of trust here. We're ready to buy in on by the way I want. I want you to trademark that the Rubicon of trust needs to be something that's forever remembered here on the on this landscape in college football. It's like a bad. It's too bad, bad cliches mixed together to create a new one, but I love it. That's. That's what we're trying to figure out what this team right now. I'll tell you this. I do. I like Michigan found a way to win that rivalry game. We always know listen. The odds makers in Vegas always say, hey, no matter how much more talent. One team has the other. It's always a close game. What really wasn't Michigan state is ugly as it was couldn't compete with with the wolverines. I honestly think that the weather delay helped Michigan because I remember at the first part of that game, it felt like the passion everybody in east Lansing was ready to roll when you kind of take that out for an hour and a half. I think that gave Michigan and hardball and his team and opportunity kind of reset everything. And it helped. I just, I just can't help. But wonder now if this big tin doesn't find itself in a situation where they're going to cannibalize each other and you're going to have at least a two loss team that wins the big ten championship, which may cost him a spot in the college football, playoff Ryan. Absolutely. And I, I agree with you Peter, and I welcome you into my Rubicon of trust. Most across it, you're not supposed to swim it, right. Okay. Well, Michigan, just an incredible defensive performance. Once again, defensive coordinator Don Brown, reestablishing his. His standing as as one of the top defensive minds in the country. Michigan again, full one full game over Ohio State two and a half games over Michigan state Penn State in Maryland. It's hard to imagine any of those three climbing back into the rice, which means way. We'll all focus on the shoe, thanksgiving Saturday for Michigan, Ohio state to decide east in the west, northwestern. Aware, I guess it's against school policy to to win or lose a game by more than a touchdown. Good for ratings, right? You want to watch those at least. Yeah, it was a remarkable game. They toughed out and eighteen to fifteen win over Rutgers which continues to show signs of life under Chris ash, if not signs of victory north, a half game ahead of Wisconsin, Iowa and Purdue that race is going to be a lot of fun now, whether you can find anybody who believes that any of those four teams can beat Michigan. And I say that having just sung produced prizes at great length, but at least that race Ryan will be fun as we come down the home stretch. Yeah, and it's mentioned going to Iowa. I think there's like I was one of those things that's not good enough to win the conference, but it certainly good enough to ruin it for someone else. Right? And that's part of what I love about it, but but it's it kind of feels like we're playing big, ten football and but yeah. Michigan is a team that I quite frankly, I'm guilty of this. I wrote them off after week one. I settling into, well, this is just what they are now, this is what they do, and you know, mafia is always on these things is once you actually take care of the thing, we all talk about all the time. Then I'm willing to accept you into my Rubicon of national title contenders and Michigan. You know, they have exercise one of their demons. They have another one coming up and quite frankly, they need to do something in the postseason whether it's a conversation game or just a bowl game. I don't think he's the only one one bowl game was watched. So I this, this team looks in fields and walks different. This is the team that we expected to see at some point under Jim Harbaugh. Let me ask you guys retarded or I've let me ask you or I'll get you on this going forward. Does do all of these things seem within the realm of possibility one? Do you believe that Penn State can beat Michigan state. Yes. Okay. Do you believe that Michigan can beat Ohio State. Yes, yes. Think I awoke could potentially lose to Penn State. Yes, yes. I, I think I think all of those things are very, very feasible. And that's arguably the biggest nightmare scenario for the big ten, right? Penn State beats Michigan, which gives Michigan yet another loss, Michigan would beat Ohio State, and then you and then I awoke team. That's the only one that only has one loss left if they lost one of their games or lost a Penn State. Every single one of those big ten teams have two losses, and I cannot foresee with as an easy as Notre Dame schedule is Clemson schedule how good Alabama is. I don't see a two loss big Tim champion getting in. This is a real possibility. That's two years in a row. They're no longer in the college football playoff. I'm looking at the big ten west schedule, remaining schedules and the team that's got the best. Or I would say the easiest path to the championship game is Purdue in north Western's. Got back to back games of Wisconsin Notre Dame at Iowa. The next three weeks. I don't think they're going to win all three of those games, but let me tell you about though now that I've seen him in person, they would have tackled. We would not have had the great great runs that we had from Purdue dashes. We had from from Purdue Ohio State because our would have wrestled them to the ground and this and I'm telling you Michigan's best friend is Iowa, because even if I will lose his at Penn State, they're gonna punish Penn State physically there is going to, and so, yeah, so so Michigan's best friend is going to be very, very physical, Iowa defense. If they if they manhandle McSorley even in a loss and where those guys up front even a loss, then I think that I think Michigan could benefit from that following weekend, I wa and we should point out the the game, Ryan saw twenty three to nothing victory at home over Maryland that game was played. I'm I don't have exact numbers, but it was played in about an hour and a half. Maryland had one hundred fifteen total yards. You know and we're, we're praising Michigan to the hill for holding Michigan state than ninety four yards. Maryland only had one hundred fifteen and the game was over well before three o'clock. So I made my flight easily and I was not expecting to that was a lot more as citing the Arkansas Tulsa gain that I saw that was twenty three, nothing this weekend, so shallow to kind of Nolan for getting his first victory. But yes, I would. Preferred to have seen that Iowa, Marilyn game that you saw them again? Well, just to to further buttress the point Purdue does have three of its five remaining games on the road, but the only tough one on the road. If you go by records as Michigan state this week, they get Iowa and Wisconsin at Ross aid, and I go to Minnesota and Indiana, so and I know Indiana's an old oaken bucket rivalry game, but let's just pray for all of us that the old oaken bucket we'll stay in between Purdue and a big ten west championship because that would be a lot of fun. I do want to shift to the Pac twelve with all of our hand, wringing about the big ten, possibly having a two loss champion. There is only one remaining team in the pack twelve with one loss, and that is Washington state, the retired, the trophy Saturday as best game day, host best campus game day house and then went onto not Oregon off thirty four to twenty. I upset really if you watch the game in terms of emotion and took into account at Oregon beat its biggest rival the week before in overtime, man would have a lot of difficulty having that kind of effort. Two weeks in a row, it just it should've. I don't know why I didn't think of that before the guy just not at bright combined that with nobody was beating Washington state after the college game day showed up right. Did you guys see that was that that's unbelievable. And I know it's hard each and every year to pick new environments. And I remember we went out to James Madison a couple years ago, and that was kind of a cool scene, but. Crude owes to the cougar crowd in Poland, because that looked nothing short of absolutely incredible. Like I wish I could have gotten a time machine and been there at seven AM or whatever when the show started Pacific time, because I am six AM and it looked like it was thirty minutes to kick off. Awesome. Just shot out to the Cougars. I was great well, and I didn't know where they were going to be like the campus is beautiful. Yeah, but it is not large. And so I was really curious as to where the spot they picked was perfect and the and it was I had a great time out there just about a year ago. It was leading into the game, and my favorite story was them grabbing every bus. They could find like they brought in buses from Idaho, which is just right emergency. Exactly. I mean, because they were worried about getting people in and out from the texts that I have with game day people it was. They said it was absolute said it was. It was a power, five school. But it felt like they were North Dakota state James Madison, one of these places where they just completely just lose their minds because they can't believe that that's the trucks are always rolled into town. So Washington state up to six and one up to number fourteen in the polls. But as we stated they are they the last one loss team in the Pac twelve, and even at that, even if they were to finish twelve and one in the Pac twelve and you never say, never, but. Wyoming, San Jose State and eastern Washington. Are there three non conference opponents who between them, wolf to this point, have one victory over an f. b. s. team and that vanquished opponent was New Mexico state in week, zero Wyoming beat them. So they have been over. How do you? How do you fix this? Ivan, you're the Commissioner of college, football, let's let's fix. Can we give by the way you're highly better at your job than what Larry Scott does in the Pac twelve. I'll just put it that way. The officiating is an absolute dumpster fire the way that they've handled Benny a bevy different situations has just been embarrassing, and I think he's the highest paid Commissioner, and so I'm firing him. I'm putting you in charge of the pack, twelve. How do you change this? Because this is another year they're not going to be in the college football playoff, and it seems like they are getting laughed when it comes to being competitive among the power, five. Conferences. Larry, Scott, nice guy. And I'm saying preface this, I don't mean this in any way. Personally, he was not a college football guy. When he came in, he took the president's at their word. When you know he said they, they wanted to be brought into the twenty th century in terms in as a corporate entity, they wanted him to make money and he has made money for the league all that. And you can argue about how successful the Pac twelve network has been. But at every juncture he has. Scott has made decisions that are financially smart and and at the expense of being football. Smart scheduling has been a problem. Some of it not of their own doing, you know, we've discussed Oregon, Texas. I pulling out of the home and home with Oregon when when I joined the SEC and that's why argon schedule is so bad, but the there are scheduling issues in the league, and it's not just the game times. The game times are a function of Scott, maximizing revenue. I play a lot of night games. They play Friday night games. They play late Saturday night games which has not been good for the league in terms of getting the word out about how good it's teams are nobody sees them, but also just the reluctance to schedule non conference games late in the year, and yet allowing Notre Dame to do that with Stanford and USD has has not. Stanford and USC scheduled schedules off kilter. It's just the, there's a lot of problems that they have other leagues seem to have surpassed overcome. So. I, I think you know they could learn a lesson about seeing how other people do things from officiating to scheduling. They're not going to get past the time zone issue. They're just, you know, just that can't be fixed. I, I don't know Ryan to you. Is there anything you see that would be a a quick band aid on this league? I think that they also could. I mean, listen, I went to pack twelve minutes a day for the first time ever this past year in everyone was real quick to pull me over in a corner and immediately start complaining about stuff. And I compare it to my NASCAR experienced, you know, it's no secret that that motor sports is struggling. And what happens is that I go to cover a motorsports event now, which I rarely do. And immediately I also just the whole conversation is how terrible everything is, and the list of reasons of why it's bad in my responses. But what are you doing to fix it? I don't know. I was just telling you what's wrong, and I feel that way about. The Pac twelve sometimes which is I'm out there all in my almost talk to me about his ESPN guy. What's up with these late games. No one watches her games. It's fine, but I'll watch the games. So let's talk about what you can do to fix that, but but their problem is, how is the point, how do they handle when they have an issue, this officiating thing with the guy from the front office calling and changing the call. It's embarrassed in the game. It's one of the most agrees things I've ever heard of them college football, and I'm basing that on my entirely too extensive network of college football officials. Active and retired the Sunday morning, I guess it was the Monday or Tuesday after pizza Mel story broke. I was worn out like to the point added term phone off because they just cannot believe that it went down that way. Joking, Lee said after a controversial targeting colony LSU game on Saturday, it's going to cost them their best defensive player in the first half, Alabama. I'll say, hey, if they played in the Pac twelve, some guy from the marketing office could've called and change and LSU be fun. We joke about it, but it's awful in it is a huge integrity issue. And then their response to it was so lukewarm and just hoping that it's going to go away. I just I think that's that's the issue for the Pac twelve is most of the conversation among those folks are the issues of the pack twelve and I just don't, you know? All right, get aggressive, you know, make a solution issue a bold statement. I just I love watching Pac twelve. Football, but I do get tired of the people within the group telling me what's wrong, but no one seems to have any answers by the way. You also see where Larry Scott had said, well, there's no instant replay manual out there is this one doesn't exist. It does exist. Yeah. This is that. And even if even if it didn't can guarantee you, everyone understood that a guy with the neck town who has no affiliation with football shouldn't be able to call them change. I when I when I told my father of the retired football fissile that story. The look on his face. I might as well told him that killer asteroid be here in two hours because they just can't believe, you know, no one can wrap their brain around it within the efficient community. So other than the officiating being really bad and them not having any college football playoff contenders again and nobody watching their network and nobody really caring about their sport. Larry Scott deserves to be the highest paid Commissioner in college football, right. Well, let me say this and then and then we're going to go to bright, but but I wanna point this out some of the problems. And Ryan said, you got to be aggressive. They do have to be aggressive, seven of twelve schools are in NFL markets, you know. But to that. It's about affect to that idea. Why is Arizona state playing a Thursday night game when the Zona cardinals are playing a thirsty night right that you know, I look at the stands at nobody's in sun devil stadium, and I and I thought to myself why God's name is nobody in sun devil stadium. And then I thought, oh, because they're all at home watching the cardinals. I mean, why do you do that? And and if the NFL schedule that game after you put Stanford in Arizona state there, then swap them out with somebody else make it happen. You know, you got to, I don't know. We're not going to solve that on this show. When we come back, Brad Edwards, Matt Morris, we'll talk nerdy to us. We'll have your walk on questions are extra points, but I make sure to tune into my new favorite TV show. Fans Ville presented by Dr Pepper airing every Saturday throughout the college football season during the commercials fans Ville is the only show that stars. 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I don't know that we have enough teams that are still in legitimate playoff contention at this stage of the season that we can go through a three biggest risers, three biggest fallers. But when you look at that list, what jumps out at you over? We don't need three biggest fallers this week because we have one massive faller and that would be Ohio State. It took a very tough loss at Purdue. They were seventy two percent chance entering the week to make the playoffs Cording to the predictor all the way down at twenty five percent. So forty, seven percents twin for Ohio State. A lot of that had to do with the fact that they're FBI also dropped. So we think less of them as a team as a result of that game. So they still have a shot at twenty five percent, but it dropped a lot. But there are a number of teams that gained because of Ohio state's loss. And the number one gainer this week is Michigan. So that's got to be a silver lining for the buckeyes. Right. Gonna make you feel a lot better. That you lose a game and embarrassing fashion, and the number one beneficiary is your biggest rival tough Monday, right? Yeah, exactly. So Michigan moved up, twenty percentage points all the way to forty one percent chance to make the playoffs. So Michigan is actually leading the big ten right now in terms of chance to make the playoff. And so you know, it's still it's still a fight out there and obviously they're gonna play each other, but Michigan is in a good mood this morning, Oklahoma also moved up eight percentage points. Obviously, there are another one loss team, but they're still alive at thirty thirty percent chance to make the playoffs in Clemson also moved up. They look good. They're all the way up to eighty nine percent chance of that is a staggering number, especially at this stage of the season with still another what six weeks or something like that to go. I mean, Clemson eighty nine percent chance to make the playoffs. And you look at FBI their remaining. Opponents. I mean, they are a ninety percent or greater chance to win every game left except for at Boston College, which is about eighty seven percent. I mean, so that that's just how big of a favorite they are within their conference. And if you look ahead to the conference championship game, that coastal division is a mess. Whoever comes out of that is going to not be a team that it's considered a real threat to Clemson. So yeah, I just wanted to bring that to everyone's attention. How big that number is. Eighty nine percent chance to make the playoff. And this is a team that some of us think might not even be able to afford a loss. That's just that's just how unlikely it is for them to lose at this stage. Yeah, there's there's no such thing as a lock in college football, but Clemson is as close as you're gonna get at this point this early in the season in the US and the other. The last day we'll talk about his LSU they've they've been in the very low single digit percentage points to make the playoffs all season. They moved up to eighteen percent. So that's that's about as high as they've. Been all year, and it's not a lot, but they control their own destiny for sure. Yeah. I think that's the best thing to say about LSU as far as the playoffs. They control their own destiny because they already have a loss. Their margin for error is so slim that prior to playing Alabama. You still can't give them a great chance to make the playoffs. But even if they win that game, it doesn't go up as much as you would think because FBI looks at that game at Texas am as a toss up SEC championship game. There's a chance that they would have to play Georgia. Again, we saw this with Georgia last year looked really bad on the road, getting blown out by Auburn and then played him again, if you weeks later in the SEC championship and it was a completely different game. Same thing could happen here, so LSU as great as they look, it's still a long way to go as far as being in the playoff, and I say is great. As they look FBI has not bought into the Tigers yet they have them at number ten as far as what we would call I rankings of the best teams, but are metric that really likes LSU is strength of record. Yeah, that's right. Brad. So strength of record has generally been the most predictive of who the committee selects on selection day, but straight the record of the backward. Look. Metric. It's essentially how -ccomplish as a team. In other words, how impressive is your record? Right? So LSU is seven in one, but they're seven to one against a very tough schedule. So in fact, there's they're number two and strength of record that's higher than Clemson and Alabama who were both undefeated. So straight, the record things LSU's seven and one record is is more impressive than clemson's or Alabama's undefeated record. And that's because of who they beaten in where they've been them. Obviously, you know, a snapshot looking at it today doesn't tell you all that much about the playoff going forward, but certainly that's a relevant statistic. By the way, Notre Dame is number one in strength of record with their undefeated record, yellow. It's interesting when you look at the difference between these two metrics because one of the ways that we kind of define them for lack of a better way to do it is that FBI is ranking the best teams strength of record is ranking the most. Serving teams, and you just mentioned top two in strength of record our Notre Dame and LSU. Neither of those is in the top five of FBI, which is the five best teams right now top five and FBI FBI are Alabama, Clemson, Georgia, Michigan, and Oklahoma. So it's interesting how much those lists differ. We're a pretty good ways through the season at this stage, but a lot more can change and it will. 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The snail mail, make sure you get the postage on stamps dot com. Absolutely. While drinking Dr Pepper of course, of course, I've this, this one's for you. I've been it's from Taylor enrich at a grip of four seventy six says, what's the more tantalizing dream? Notre Dame in the big ten or the ACC or Clemson in the SEC. You know, when you started out tantalizing dream, I have to admit those weren't thought you were going to go buddy. As long as we stipulate that these are only dreams. Clemson had no incentive to go to the us. He see because they are the football school in a basketball conference. So now that they have gotten their stuff together and found a coach who can build a program, Clemson has become what we all thought they should've been for many years in the ACC. Notre Dame. I would say the most tantalizing dream as long as we're talking dreams is Notre Dame in the big ten. That is something that has been discussed for nearly one hundred years and never come to fruition because whenever one side wanted to make a deal, the other side did not in it. You know the the incentive and interest has been on both sides throughout. Really a century, but never both sides at the same time to where they could make a deal and it's not going to happen. At least I would say anytime soon. Certainly, while Jim Delaney is Commissioner of the big ten. And I assume while the current hierarchy is and. Is running Notre Dame so they've got us semi deal with the ACC which fits what they wanna do, and the ACC is happy with so so much for tantalizes. I-. Tantalizing. We started have to wake you up from that. Yes. Next questions for you. Peter Clinton Morris at Clinton l. Morris says it seems like we haven't heard the usual talk about major conference realignment this year. Have the rumors subsided, power, five conference will be the next to realize and win. I think that's sided just because of what we saw the great land rush of a couple of years ago when the television contracts of SEC network victim network, all these conference networks kind of got played in that. Everything's settled down, but I think we will eventually get into. I don't know. That's certainly a, I want to say a Morphing of conferences. I think we'll eventually get to four super conferences of sixteen teams. I think we'll do that once the college football playoff expands eight teams, which I think will eventually happen in twenty twenty seven, which is after the end of the next college football playoff contract. And if I see that I see that kind of a merging of the Pac, twelve and big twelve being the natural inclination of what it would work and work together and make sense. Obviously, we saw some flirtatious advances back in the day, speaking of tantalizing millions with. I mean a Texas. In fact, twelve is that I think you'll see a couple of teams go the ACC couple teams maybe go to the big ten a couple of teams. Nice music there. And a couple of teams go to the to get to sixteen teens, but the big ten and Pac twelve are, I'm sorry, big, twelve, and Pac twelve seemed like the most natural fit to kind of mesh together. Yeah. Politics for the porn bed help myself. Ryan last one for you from ole Sarge ulcers. Once you keep your dreams to yourself, but he also wants you to tell them if Alabama style dynasties are good or bad for college football, are they making the game less entertaining to non tied fans? Is that music still planner? I just hearing that my head, no. Soundtrack to your life. I'm not. I'm Alabama. Fans are listed as well. Say what I say here now, listen, I sounds like the fame for Sanford and so. It has been X-rated rated to watch Alabama on offense. True. Whatever you're going to the listen. I say this all the time. People complain to me about, hey, it's always Alabama and Clemson, it's all this is. This is just where on the college football time line that the college football playoff happened the land and but I'll say this, I'm not a dynasty guy. I get bored with it pretty quick. I get bored with the Yankees. I get bored with, you know, who are the, the patriots, whoever even if it's your team winnings. Awesome. But after a while, you know, I mean, Red Sox fans during the World Series and it's awesome, but it's the fourth time in like fifteen years and now just kind of feels like businesses usual. So I think I think it's good for everyone to have an off year occasionally, but that being said, what I tell people all the time is, is that take a moment even if you hate him, take a moment and sit down and realize what you're looking at because it's only the greatest era that any program has ever had in history college football and so forty years from now, you can tell your kids, great grandkids. The guy laying next. To you in a nursing home, whatever you can tell them that you witnessed what you witness because it is. It is an amazing thing. They, behold, even if you're tired of looking at it, we typically only accept walk on questions via Twitter, Email or the postal service using stamps dot com. But we actually have a fourth walk ons question today from the little man in Peter burns his head Peter. What did he say to you? A little bit. NPR Peter burns head. That's where he is on Twitter, not a preferred, walk on just a one on he wants to know does targeting in the NC double lay of college football and d. one need to be looked at after what happened with Devon, white being suspended for the first half the LSU game, Alabama. Well, great question there. Little man inside of people. I'll dive into that one. I will have more penetrating question tantalizing we put it that way. If I give me give me the music, the music bed, if we're going to roller witness, thanks, let me unbutton to shirt to get my goal chain order a pizza. Yeah. Yeah. Good. That's it. Okay. Yeah, here's the deal. This has to happen eventually, right? The NC double. I get it and absolutely there. One hundred percent right in protecting the players. And I know that they're trying to modify behavior and they've done a good job of that. I think it's getting safer for players to play that it has been because of these rules. However, they do need to use commonsense in the targeting rules. I think there should be two levels of targeting. I should feel like just like in flagrant fouls and basketball. There should be a flagrant one which is fifteen yards. Hey, I didn't mean to really get into the grill of this guy just happened. It was a bang bang play, but I deserve a penalty, but no suspension or no objection. There should be a flagrant to targeting to where it's high. Listen, this was agreed. This is a bad hit. This kid is tossed for the second half of this game or the first half of the next game a vitually. We need to get to that point because there's too many of these like zapruder type films. I got look at the review, fifteen times, figure out what really happened in. Double eight needs to do this, and they need to get on it. Stat, keep the questions coming in reality and in your dreams. Just make sure you use the hashtag walk owns the extra poi-. All right. We will have at least three extra points. We're waiting to hear from the little man and Peter Ted as to whether we have a fourth. Ryan, what do you have? Well, I. I've been receiving a lot of tweets, texts, emails, perhaps even passenger pigeon stamps dot com, comments from Montana, see people, and it is response to my response to their response to the photograph of Butch Jones that started circulating around the world wide Interweb on Saturday evening. Yeah, Butch smoking a cigar in the locker room. Following Alabama's, beatdown win over Tennessee and stadium, and my response was I can't believe people are. So angered about this because if you know anything about the history of that series, then you know the winner of the game, smoke cigars every just how it is. And it's been like that for decades there. When I was a student at Tennessee worked in the football department, there were there were pictures hanging on the wall, black and white photographs of ten. Tennessee teams in the old Neilan stadium tunnel smoking cigars. There's a very famous photograph of bear Bryant during a post game, press conference surrounded by sportswriters smoking a cigar. This is just the way that it goes for folks to think that Butch Jones doesn't deserve to smoke a cigar. These are the same people that went and freshly painted the rock on campus every week, fire Butch Jones that put for sale signs in his front yard that hassle his family when they went to the grocery store. So listen, you can say, whatever you want. Albert Hanes worth. My fellow Tennessee alone can say whatever he wants, they won the game. He's on the staff and he was in the vistors locker room of the place that ran him out of town and his bitter. As you might be in his angers, you might be over the result of the game. If you win on a third Saturday, October, you smoke a cigar. It doesn't matter. Who you are where you used to coach or what your job is. That's just how that goes down and I know it hurts. But you know what? When the game and your guy can smoke a cigar. You're right. You know what hurts the worst. Two hundred thousand dollars a month. Tennessee is paying him to smoke. That's gar at two hundred thousand dollars a month. He gets paid to to do that until twenty twenty one. That's my tantalizing dream. I want that kind of. I would just point out as well just to a little context around what Ryan said that the black and white photos and Tennessee with the player smoking cigars are up because the last time Tennessee won the game, color photography had not been. Well, and you went up before posted that picture bear Bryant with his cigar. There are a couple of really famous photographs of Tennessee players you smoke cigars in in the locker room. I couldn't find them on the internet and it suddenly dawned on me. That's the problem is slow years. There are no updated pictures, and even there aren't even any old pictures that have been posted on the internet. So yeah, it's just it's, it's been a while. So anyhow, it's just I know it sucks to lose your rival game, but they're going to do what they do. And that's just how that goes. There's there's Ryan McGee being Tennessee hater once let's I'm just leaning into it, it is. I've already been been tagged of betrayer to my calls and I'm just going to lean into it. It'll be for sale signs in your front yard Peter. When my extra point actually comes from me, not the little man in my head is that Randy Edsel Yukon basically in this USA today. This is have you. I don't know if you guys have seen his contract, but it's basically a prop sheet in Vegas. Okay. He gets two thousand dollars a game. If his team scores first offense, if they're leading at halftime, if he leaves the game in points per possession and total offense. Now I'm defense. He gets two thousand dollars a game. If they have the win the tackles for loss margin points per session, turnover margin in sex now, points per game in the season. If he scores twenty five to twenty nine points, he gets twenty thousand dollars thirty to thirty four. He gets twenty five thousand every when he gets ten thousand dollars for a w. And on defense zero to ten, he gets fifty grand. Okay. He can give up Twenty-nine points in a loss, instill make an extra ten thousand dollars. He basically has gone to Vegas and I can't figure out if this is the worst idea ever or it's the smartest and I love it well, and if you've ever dealt Randy Ansel, you know, clearly he's just taking this money and he's spending it on charm school. Sure there. There's no doubt. Right. Oh, my good. Think about that. Can you imagine if you're scoring, I mean if you got two thousand dollars in play and you get you get the scoring, I get you an extra bonus. Don't you in you win the coin toss. Your accepting every time, right. Oh, well, that's a very good point. Yeah, no, leading leading at halftime. I mean at that point, you're just bleeding out the clock. You're like, man, I got electric Bill to pay. Yeah, we'll take a knee here and go into half, but why risk it? It's crazy. That's great. And speaking, coin tosses, fickle and Cincinnati now, no. The season in coin tosses. Wow. They are only six and one in football games of I did win the toss in overtime, Saturday against temple, but lost the game. So they have one every pre-game coin toss, and then one overtime tossed against the temple. Let's that is not my extra point, but. My extra point does have to do with numbers. I'm gonna come back to where we began Purdue in Ohio State because I just wanted to one more example of Ohio State in disarray. Five trips in the red zone, fifteen plays in the red zone, a total of twenty five yards. Two field goals and zero touchdowns in five trips inside the Purdue twenty. So. As good as Purdue was, and you can tip your hat to the defense. But also it's just a train wreck of a night in Columbus for the visitors, a wonderful night for the Boilermakers in Tyler. Trent. This is a terrific story by our guys. That's it for our recap of week eight, of course tomorrow on the show. It looks like it will be me. 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Nats' Blown Chance & Bruce Allen's Last Stand

The Kevin Sheehan Show

45:57 min | 1 year ago

Nats' Blown Chance & Bruce Allen's Last Stand

"You want it. You need it. It's what everyone's talking about the Kevin Sheehan show. Now, here's Kevin. Right. I'm here Aaron is here. This show is presented by window nation. If you're in the market for windows, please call eight six six nation and give them a shot window nation dot com as well. Tell them we told you to call just so everyone knows we're doing a show today and tomorrow, that I'm taking a few days off some, some vacation time. Erin. I'm going to take some time off in July and August. I'm not sure exactly when the days will be. But when the NFL season starts every day, Monday through Friday, and we're working on some things that will do over the weekend, weekends when football season starts at the very least some sort of quick post game show following Redskins games. Maybe a half hour to forty five minutes and then we'll do the full fledged post game and full-fledged show on Mondays following the games by the way almost every game is a Sunday game this year. Right. They have the they have the. Night game against Chicago. And then that's it right. Every other game. This year is scheduled for one o'clock. I think that's right. They had a Thursday game. They have Thursday night game against Minnesota. That's right. That's right in, in late October. But every other game scheduled for one o'clock on Sunday this coming season today's show is gonna be on the shorter side. I had a guest scheduled and he had to bail right before the show started. We'll try to get him back later in the nut later in the week, but some sometime next week. But we're good. It's Aaron I and few things to discuss. We'll start with the nationals. They lost two of three to Atlanta over the weekend. Lost opportunity, really, I thought to gain ground because Saturday night's game was you know a winnable game. They were up eight four before the bullpen completely imploded, by the way, Trevor Rosenthal, he's final appearance as a national, he just walked three dudes through. Fifteen pitches, twelve of them were balls walk three dudes. And then the nets decided after the game to cut him or Sunday morning, I guess, to cut him. That's a cost to the team of somewhere in the neighborhood of seven to eight million dollars. Seep it six and a third innings, obviously pitch more. But sometimes they didn't get outs and may seven million dollars. Six and a third innings. Erin, where he walked fifteen. Yes allowed eight hits sixteen earned runs. His ERA was twenty two point seven four one of the worst brief appearances in major league baseball history. He's gone. It was a bad purchase no relief by the way on what they owe. None, by the way, he wasn't the only one of the weekend Tanna rainy, who started off, so well for the nets now been roughed up in, I think four of his last five appearances and then on Saturday night, Joe Ross and Matt grace were. Terrible in relief. The nets bullpen on Saturday night after being up eight four gave up nine runs over the final three innings and they lost that game thirteen to nine and then yesterday, it was rainy again, in the tenth, he gives up a two run Homer, and the NATs lose four to three. So two of three in their weekend set with the Braves. They lose two of the three games. They had a chance at looked like you know late Saturday night. It looked like wow, they're going to be five and a half back with a chance to get to four and a half back. You know, at the end of Sunday and instead, they're eight and a half back. It's only June though. It's only June. But I don't know if I've talked about this on the podcast, but the Trevor Rosenthal situation is such a, it's looking back on it like that signing was where the bullpen went wrong almost because they signed Trevor when they signed Trevor Rosenthal, they signed him as the eighth inning guy. Was going to be Rosenthal on the eighth and then do little in the ninth. And then everything else was made with that in mind to kind of get the one outs here. You could experiment with guys there. The sixth inning guy something guy. The one battle Luyi. The problem was you couldn't count on Rosen. There was no reason to believe Rosenthal. Could be that guy because of the injury missed the whole season last year. So Tommy, John. So when I say things like you know, this was fundamentally flawed. The idea behind the bullpen. That's really what I'm talking about. Is that this was built around Trevor Rosenthal in the eighth, and that was a fundamentally flawed idea? Now, do you blame Rizza for that? Or do you blame the learners for not giving him enough money to build the bullpen blame can go both ways, but that decision as much as anything really set the tone for this season? Yeah. I mean, there's no doubt about that. I mean we, we are, it's only June. And by the way, during this, this homestand, they did go six and four this all. Homestand. They went six and four. They, they were supposed to play eleven one of the games with the Phillies was rained out. They do have, by the way, I was looking at their schedule. They've got twelve games before the all-star break against the Marlins Tigers royals. So a real chance against some bad teams. I know the Marlins just, you know, swept the Phillies over the weekend. In fact, I want to say that the last time the nets played the Marlins. They were in the midst of a four or five game winning streak as well. And then the net swept them. Yes. But there's lots of schedule left eighty five games including fourteen against the Braves, but to your point this season's been about one thing and one thing, only it probably will play out the rest of the way. It's about the bullpen and the bullpen. Not delivering its failed them. Too many times in the first, you know, seventy one games of the year. Whatever it's been something like that, right? Eighty five sixty seventy seven seventy seven games. Right. Eighty five seventy seven would be one sixty two. And there's nothing that we've seen that will, you know, basically change unless they make a lot of moves and they become buyers at the trade deadline. But right now, the bullpen appears to be the thing that will prevent them from being a legitimate contender for division, title or even a wild card in the National League. And it's a shame because they do have a decent team in decent starting pitching. They've got off events, Soto missing opportunity yesterday in the bottom of the ninth to get it done for the nets. But, but the was at the bottom of the night, their bottom of the tenth. I was listening to the game. And in my car listening to the game listening to to the to the broadcast, and it was trying to think in the in the bottom bottom of the tenth soda was the last out of the game. Right. Yeah. Yeah. He granted out to shortstop with, with two one. They were. They were threatening their and they gotta run in to make it four three in the. Some of the ninth, I think they think Kendrick walked in and stole second, and then it was par who ended up striking out to end the night anyway. Yeah. It's the bulletin. It's the bullpen that's going to prevent them from more likely than not being opposed seasoning, the one thing they have going for them, though, is the Phillies net and Mets are imploding, before is right now. It's amazing to see just how badly you know. You know you got the Phillies one for their last ten and then the Mets are having players going after reporters in the locker room yet. So if nothing else outside of the Braves they have a path in front of them. We'll see if the bullpen allows them to exploit it meantime, Erin, the wizards don't have GM with the start of free agency less than a week away. Stephen a Smith this morning. I was listening to him. He was actually talking like there was still a chance that messiah Jiri could come to Washington. He implored Ted Leonsis to pay up said, this is no time to be cheap. I'm paraphrasing on the word sheep. Forget what he said, but he said something like the wizards or one of those organizations that have produced. So little that they should be willing to overpay for someone like you Jiri, leading me to believe actually that Stephen had some information that Ted had perhaps not offered anywhere near what was reported. By ESPN the night that the raptors won the title that the wizards we're going to offer you Jiri ten million. Plus a piece of ownership. It led me to believe that I don't know if that's true or not, by the way, did you see this story, TMZ got Adam silver and camera, sing that the NBA's moved away from using the word owner to describe team owners in the NBA. I did see that. Yes. So. I'll read to you, what Adam silver said, he basically said that the, the league is phased out the term owner to describe individuals with controlling interests in its teams amid concerns that the title is racially insensitive in a league or the majority of players are African American. He said, quote, I don't want to overreact to the term because people end up twisting themselves into knots, avoiding the use of the word owner, but we moved away from that term years ago. With the league we call our team owners governors and of the team and alternate governors, I guess, for minority interest, minority equity holders in in teams he said players have gone both ways with this, quote, I think a few players have actually spoken out and said the greatest thing that ever happened was when Michael Jordan was able to call himself owner. But of course, Draymond green has been very public about the fact that we should be moving away from the term and I completely respect that. Close quote. This. This is the stuff that, you know, I get it on some level. You know, I'm not an idiot. I know what the word owner meant in the eighteen hundreds, you know, before the NBA was formed before any professional sports league was formed against baseball started. Eighteen hundreds, late eighteen hundreds, but does it really mean the same thing today? I mean. Governor Leonsis that's team. Governor teddy aunts. The team governor doesn't really make sense to me and someone will soon take issue with governor because they'll bring up the fact that we've had governors recently like Ralph. Ralph Northam with, with black face in his college yearbook, and George Wallace was governor is well, I look, these are always sensitive topics. I understand that some of your going to say you know, we'll say stay in your lane. You're a middle aged white guy, but I just to me, some of this stuff is just commonsensical. It's, it's not apples to apples with the Redskins team nickname necessarily. But I I've always said, you know, about the term Redskins. First of all, there should be a non pejorative definition. You know Redskins noun, the football team that plays in Washington DC. I mean no one hears that to Redskins just walk. Into a restaurant said, oh to native Americans just walked into a restaurant, nobody says that who says that nobody thinks native Americans. You think you know twain, Haskins just walk in with, you know, Josh Norman, that's what that's what it is. Now. I anyway, I'll stay in my lane on this one. I just don't. I I don't understand the sensitivity in twenty nineteen. I mean own their owners of primarily African American employed businesses in this country. And the person that owns the business might have a title of CEO or president, but he may also have owner in the title. Are we going to drop that from all of those, perhaps, we will? I don't know. Anyway, back to the wizards here for a moment. I don't think missi Jerry is coming to Washington. That's my personal belief. I don't know why anyone would want this job. I know. Ted believes it's the most attractive available GM job in all of sports, but there's nothing attractive about it. You know, they there's just not a lot that detracted about it. You've got the, you know, the, the franchise point guard who's going to miss all of next year in may. Never be the same, but is eating up massive amounts of cap space. You know, you do have a star to guard, but yet the ninth pick and you picked a player that, you know who knows by the way on hatch emerged. Did you see this on Friday? He never he said he said nobody from the team ever spoke to him. And it was surprising to him that they selected him number nine overall because he never met with the team and never spoke to anyone from the team. That's interesting. Now, I know that you can end up drafting players that I mean it wasn't like it was a massive surprise. Hotch Moore was there at nine. Right. Did they just not have the opportunity to meet with him? You always have the opportunity to speak with him, even if you don't meet with him in person, or did they just like him so much that they felt they didn't need to need. The need is victim didn't need to alert people to the fact that they were thinking about it. I guess the press conference the introductory press conference for hot Chamara the other day, forty one reporter showed up for seventeen Japanese reporters, some who flew all night, long Thursday night to be there in time on Friday for his introduction to Washington. By the way, I read this to Japan, treated the selection of hot shimmer by the wizards. As breaking news. They had bulletin crawling across television sets all over the country. A Japanese reporter was asked about that on Friday that was here. And she said that it was treated. Similarly to like an earthquake or sue NAMI hitting Japan. That's how big it was the saw the wizards tweeted out, you know, something Japanese welcoming to the dense. Yeah. These single most, here's the most interaction of any tweet in the team social media history. Seriously? Yes. Like how many likes I, I just I just saw the Steinberg we'd about that. I haven't read the article yet, but don't tell me that old governor Leonsis didn't see huge international dollar signs when they took him or the other night. Anyway, tonight, the NBA awards, all of the awards are going to be announced. I, I will tell you, I, I will not watch it. I have no interest in watching it. I don't really care about it again. Beating a dead horse. I love the sport. I love the games. I love what just concluded you know a week and a half ago. I know some of you love this in, we'll be debating amongst yourselves about whether or not it should be Jaanus, or harden is the MVP in my view. We saw the best. The NBA has to offer right now. His name's coli Leonard. All right, cool. Why Leonard is your true. NBA MVP. I understand there's a playoff MVP, and there's a regular season MVP, but regular season MVP and the NBA is as meaningless in award, as there is for an MVP. I'm not saying that, by the way, the regular season MVP hasn't matched up to the playoff MVP in the past it has. But the playoff MVP. Is the real measure of how good guys are in this sport. It's how they play in the postseason when everyone is invested in winning the games every night when everyone is dialed in defensively, when nobody has an advantage because of the schedule teams aren't resting players on a back to back. No sport is, as different in the postseason versus the regular season as the NBA is, I guess, the NHL is far different is well, but the NBA with the disadvantages of back to backs in the wresting of players and you know, the the defensive effort and the strategic effort, it's a completely different game. Quite Leonard was the best player in the NBA this year because he was the best player in the games that actually measure something by the way. Kevin Durant would be my number two. He's the second best because before he got hurt. He was having. An all time playoff run through the mid mid portion of the conference semifinals, and then Damian Lillard, and James harden would be consideration. Steph curry's. Well, Jaanus not even in the top five. I mean, we saw what he was in the postseason when you had a team that figured out a strategy to stop him. He's not in the class of Leonard or Durant, or harden or curry. He's not in that he's nowhere near that right now intil. He does it in games that actually matter. Then you cannot measure him. You cannot give out an award like that. The NBA I again, I get it. It's a regular season award. I just don't think they should have won. It's misleading. You know, we'll look back and we'll see that Jaanus was the twenty nineteen MVP and that MVP there's, there's real marquee value attached to this particular award. In the minds of, of sports fans in NBA fans in particular Jaanus is not a top five player in this game right now. He may become that. And I would guess that he probably. Will become that. But he may walk home with the MVP tonight and he's not a top five player in this game. Just isn't okay. Window nation quick word about them, and then we'll get some Redskins conversation ran into a friend of mine over the weekend, Jason who told me unsolicited that he just had window nation install windows into his home, and that it had gone very well. And I get that from a lot of people on Twitter. And, you know, every once in a while, people, I'll run into we'll say, hey, thanks for the recommendation on windows, Asian, it really worked out, well, and, and I find that to be. 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He's not playing anymore. You know, he talks about hopefully having a chance to play football anymore. I listened to the tone of his answers in the context in which he was delivering the answers in my view. What I heard was a guy that is going to be very happy to be able to walk and run without much impact to have a to be able to live a lifestyle where that broken leg that horrible broken leg. Injury. Doesn't impact his ability to walk freely and even run freely that the NFL is a long shot for him. And I think we already discussed on Friday that the Redskins are not going to be an option for him. You know I mean they got the quarterback they drafted the quarterback of the future in join Haskins. They traded for the veteran for a potential short term stopgap between, you know, Haskins being ready are not being ready. And then Haskins being ready. There's not going to be a place for Alex Smith. On the roster as a as a quarterback in Washington. And I don't think there's going to be a place for Alex Smith ever. Again, it said it's it was a I think it will ultimately prove to be a career ending injury. And this happens all the time in that league. But in and you hate to see it, and that's why you really can't begrudge these guys forgetting every dollar. They can possibly get because their careers on average are so short. And very often they lied to, you know, a life after football, that isn't totally comfortable and it's certainly not pain-free, but it, but listening to that made me think about his very brief career here in Washington one more time, but it really made me think about Bruce Allen. And what is coming next, and I'll get to that in a moment on our ICs. You know, the bottom line is in and I know we're being repetitive here, and I'm not going to spend a lot of time on this. I want to spend more time on what it made me think about with. Respectable Salaun but Alex Smith just wasn't very good quarterback here. I mean, that's what I'll remember he was a bad fit for Gruden. He never got comfortable in j system. You know, maybe it was on the verge of, you know coming around, but nothing we saw really indicated that, in fact his final game before he got injured was one of his worst. You know, he had two picks took three sacks in just over a half a magazine spend much more time, documenting you know, his season, you know how I feel a just never seemed to be a good fit. And it wasn't a very good performance. The record was good. And he didn't turn the ball over all of that is fine. I think personally, as I've said before the record was heading eight and the non playoff season. Maybe nine and seven possibly seven and nine the same record. They ended up with. And I'm also not gonna spend a lot of time document documenting the front office decisions related to the quarterback position over the over the last seven years because. Needless to say the trade for Alex Smith in the huge contract extension. Didn't work out for the team even without the injury. I don't think it was likely going to work out. Bruce Allen got it wrong. You know, he didn't trade cousins got that wrong felt the pressure of botching that situation felt the pressure to come up with an answer. He's a stubborn guy he doesn't like to admit when he's wrong, you made a bad trait. You know, it's the single biggest weakness, by the way of Snyder, Alan, as a pairing, and individually is never thinking. They're wrong being stubborn being arrogant, never thinking they're wrong. But we saw Dan Snyder doing draft a two months ago for me is an indication that Bruce and his merry men are on thin ice and listening to Alex Smith. Just reminding me that his is over and how short lived it was here and how it really didn't work out. And how Bruce orchestrated that whole trade. Bruce Allen is. Is an ineffective NFL front office executive ineffective. His record here is abysmal. Franchise embarrassment. Unders watch hasn't improved. You could argue it's gotten worse. The fan base is mostly checked out if he were the CEO, or president of a publicly traded company with shareholders public shareholders. They would have demanded his ouster and they likely would have gotten it if by if at a minimum just to get a short term stock bounce out of it. He's had very few moments that have impressed anybody. I mean really very few in so many more that have left everyone fans media people in his own building. Yes. Shaking their heads. I think Snyder shook his head this year. I really believe that Alan is entering his final season here. The only thing that would save American would be a magical season. They haven't had one of those in twenty seven years. Alex Smith is symbolic of the Allen era disaster. Andy Reid got him once with McNabb and went right back to the well, when he was done with Alex Smith. Bruce Allen was a Mark for Andy Reid Alex Smith needed weapons and the right fit with his offense of head coach to be successful and the Redskins didn't have either. Of course, Allen didn't know that because he doesn't have vision on those things. On football related things. He still thinks the team is close. He thought it was close last year. It wasn't he still thinks it's close. It probably isn't. I know many of you think I'm wrong, and I was dead wrong last year. I thought that that would be it for him last year. I thought it was going to be at for him nj. And then I thought, well, maybe it's just going to be for Jay. And they're both back, but I swear to God as we sit here today, and I don't know why that interview with Alex Smith made me just think about it one more time, but I really feel strongly that if twenty nineteen is another disappointing season. A bad season, it's Allen's last, I know a lot of people that disagree with that. I know a lot of people that will tell me. Nope. You don't understand the relationship. He has with, Dan. He goes, when he says, he goes, I just am not buying it. This is a this. Is a franchise that has lost too much under his watch not like the Vinnie era. You'd lose a lot as well. But you were still at that point closer to the success in the fan base had, you know, had a rooted but not to the extent that it has. Now, this is a business decision for Snyder, if they don't do. Well, this year, he can't afford to have Bruce Allin back. He's got a treat it as if it's a publicly traded company. It is a public trust in many ways, and the shareholders, the consumers of the product aren't buying the product anymore. They aren't they're selling it short, and they're dumping their stock, and they don't want any part of it anymore. You have to shake it up, and he tried on his own here in this off season to shake it up. I thought that that was predictable. He went after landing. Collins got him. Big free agent signing the biggest free agent signing. They've had in that first part of free agency during the Bruce Allin era. They went after Antonio Brown. They went after golden Tate. They went after CJ Moseley. They went after Todd Bowles and Greg Williams. They didn't close the deal on any of the on any of those with the exception of Landon Collins, but they were trying. And then when we got to the draft, they got to Duane Haskins in the league done messed up. Haskins said it and I think Neider felt it. And I just think that, that this is it for Bruce Allen and less. There is a magical season. And by the way, it's a magical season led by Duane. Haskins. Dan, Snyder's pick that may be another reason it could be over for Bruce Allen. I know we circle back to this conversation, a lot, but in listening to Alex Smith, it was just a reminder that this was another big botched situation by Bruce. I don't think Jay was thrilled with Alex. I don't think he was against it because I think Jay's just, you know, like I've said before go along to get along. But that fit wasn't right. The contract extension was unnecessary. And I just believe I may be more gut than anything else. But I think this is it for Alan twenty nineteen is it unless somehow they strike gold. They hit an inside straight and some of these players that were drafted Kate. Maybe it's case keenum, who he liked a lot that ends up being a big part of it. I think it's going to be his last year. I don't think most agree with me. Would you. I think most think that Alan is here until he wants to go. I, I don't think that that's true. Yeah. I think most people if nothing else just on sheer cynicism believe, easier for the long haul. Yeah. There was no other Redskins news. Really over the weekend except for you mentioned this to me this morning. There was like a rumored trade again. Tell me what it was. Yeah. I'm not familiar with. Yes. So I don't know where exactly it came from it came for some from some fake. Counter, any or something, which people said, was fake right away, but people still ran with it. I think more out of hope than anything that Josh dachshund was going to be traded for Marvin Jones Detroit. Yes, Marvin Jones, Detroit, which if you think about for two seconds, doesn't make lick of sense for Detroit, but people ran with it. How did this get out there? This wasn't this wasn't Stefan digs, brother again. Was it was just fake account on Twitter like some fake, whatever some fake insider something, and people ran with? That's stupid, who would ever trade for Josh docs. And right now you can have him as a free agent at the end of this year. He shows any life, it, give it to his seventh round pick may but not Marvin. Joe knows not Marvin Jones and people bought that like they bought the stuff on digs thing. I think it was. There are rumors that he's having trouble with Patricia and that the lines might be looking to move him. So people tried to justify it that way. But even if you believe that the lions are looking to trade Jones, they're getting a lot more than Josh dachshund for forum. Yeah. I would certainly he has two years on his deal for seven million a year. And you know, over one thousand yard receiver yet, that's, that's, that's ridiculous. That's, that's major hijinks by whoever put it out there. They, they knew the answer to this one this Stefan digs thing. I remember when it came out, and it was like. Well, it's his brother. I mean he must know something. And I'm like, there's nothing that makes sense about this. Why would Minnesota ever traits fundings a year after giving him the big contract extension? And the reason was is that they wouldn't. And didn't I wanted to mention one other thing on Friday? Scott Allen from from the post wrote a story following max sherzer 's black eye performance last week saying that max Scherzer is the greatest free agent signing in DC sports history, signed, a seven year, two hundred and ten million dollar deal with the nets in twenty fifteen and, you know, we are in the midst of you know, I mean he was not a hall of Famer when he got here at that point was he Aaron he's now a hall of fame lock hall of fame. He wasn't. I think people could have seen it. He certainly was a great pitcher a top tier pitcher. But no, he was if his career had ended for whatever reason, right? Then he wasn't a hall of Famer in four years as a net. He's won two Cy Young awards. He's thrown two, no hitters and he's tied the major league baseball record for most strikeouts. In a nine inning game when he struck out twenty and he struck out three hundred batters in a season which he accomplished last year. So clearly Shire's free agent, signing by DC, professional sports team is on a short list of the greatest free agent signings in DC sports history, and Scott Allen, contented. It's number one. Now, Scott Allen does point out the others that you would be in contention in that would be John Riggins, and I'll get to him in a moment in Gilbert arenas, which really. I think unlike Riggins ensures her Gil was a second round pick Gill had some potential. I don't think anybody saw Gilbert arenas, would be in Washington when the wizards signed him when Ernie Grunfeld signed him, also, by the way, mentions, Wayne Rooney, at, can't speak to Wayne Rooney's time here in Washington Matt Niskanen, who had, you know, was was crucial to them winning a Cup and also mentions Daniel Murphy, who actually was a clutch performer here in, in the postseason as well when he was here. But and I, I'd saw some of the follow up to this. A lot of you tweeted me this story on Friday, I think and had your own suggestions. A lot of you said, Bobby Dandridge is the greatest free agent signing knowing that I'm bullets fan and that was huge. The bullets would not have an NBA title there one NBA title in Washington without the signing of Bobby d he was that. Instrumental that good was an all star and was phenomenal in the clutch as a player others mentioned some Redskins like London Fletcher, and Wilbur Marshall, I wouldn't put either one of those two in the category of sherzer, or Rigaud, I wouldn't even put them in the kata category. Bobby Dandridge for that matter. But TIMMY, Riggins is the answer to this question. The greatest free agent signing in NFL history. In the irony, is that it was this brief window in nineteen seventy six this brief NFL free agency window where the Redskins took advantage of it. And sign John Riggins who was a well-known running back in the NFL not just because of his antics, and his mohawk haircut. But, you know, he had some really good years with the jets, you know, playing with Joe name at the New York, and he was coming off a one thousand yard season. Which, by the way you need understand in nineteen seventy six the only played fourteen regu-. Season games and rushing for thousand plus yards was a big deal so Riggins at the time was still by the way, twenty five or twenty six years old. And this was a big contract signing this short window of free agency. I think it had something to do with the, the collective bargaining agreement at that point in time that created this very brief window of, of NFL free agency in the Redskins pounced on it. And they signed Rigaud to a five year deal worth a million and a half dollars, which was eight a lot of money in nineteen seventy six in the NFL and so- Rigaud had basically push the jets into a corner wanting, you know, to be paid a much bigger salary than he was making it the time he wanted to be paid almost on the level. I think of Joe Nemeth, but he came to Washington and had, you know, a nine year career that's legendary legendary. You know, there were years for in Washington, that you can look back on, and you can say, well, he didn't produce that much in that particular year. And that's true Riggins, you know, when, when George Allen was the head coach, and they made this big free agent signing George Allen, brought him here and made them play fullback had him as a blocking back for Mike. Thomas who was the nineteen seventy-five NFC rookie of the year, one of the few in Redskins history. In fact, it was shocking because George Allen had few draft choices to begin with he traded them all away, but in, in nineteen seventy five out of UNLV in the fifth round. They took Mike. Thomas seen any ended up being the rookie of the year and seventy five someone Rigaud came in, in seventy six he was Mike. Thomas is blocking back. He started all fourteen games in fullbacks back then got a lot of carries. But rebel, rush for, like five hundred plus yards. That was it. That was it in seventy six seventy seventy got hurt. In seventy eight he was still a fullback and Mike Thomas was still on that team. And they had others as well in Riggins did in nineteen seventy eight rush. For over thousand yards with the Redskins had a couple of big games for them as well. Clutch games for them in nineteen seventy eight the Redskins in seventy eight. That was the first season of Jack party started out started off six no finished eight. Unfortunately, but Rigaud had it going early in that season and had a couple of big touchdown runs late in the season and game that they lost against the falcons. I remember that. That was the one that pretty much knocked them out of playoff contention. I think in the next last week of the season, but then, then came nineteen seventy nine and Riggins was had an incredible year was thirty years old, to rush for eleven hundred fifty three yards. Nine touchdowns had twenty eight receptions and three touchdowns catching the football. And led the Redskins to within two minutes of the number one seed in the NFC east in that was, you know, the year that the Redskins lost to the Cowboys thirty five thirty four in the final game of the regular season game that I've said many times on the radio show and even on the podcast goes down as one of the greatest regular season. NFL games in history and the Redskins lost the game and with it a chance to potentially go to the Super Bowl. They didn't even go to the playoffs by losing that game. They lost the number one seed in fell completely out of the playoffs and Rigaud was so devastated by that loss. Coming off at that point the best year of his career he sat out nineteen eighty and then came back famously nineteen eighty one and said, I'm bored broke, and I'm back and that was with Joe Gibbs in his first year, and then the rest is history. Right. The playoff run in nineteen eighty two which led to a Super Bowl MVP in the most iconic play in franchise history. And then he rushed for thirteen hundred forty seven yards in a record at the time twenty four touchdowns in nineteen eighty three and then another twelve hundred thirty nine yards and fourteen touchdowns in nineteen eighty four before being replaced really, you know, as a code, you know, running back shared position with George Rogers eighty five but Ray eighty five turned out to be Rego's final year. But I know what max Scherzer is doing for the nets, and I know his production in based on production, you could say best free agent signing in, in, in, in DC sports history. But nobody provided what Riggins provided in my view rigau's, the single greatest acquisition in these he sports history trade, or otherwise Rigaud, led this franchise to its first Super Bowl and never won an NFL MVP and the thing about Rigaud is, you know, he only has one official all pro season. If you can believe that. As great as he was just one official all pro season. But he was a first ballot hall of Famer as he should have been and to me. He's number one, I think, on the list of the all time greatest players in DC sports history. I think Gibbs probably in terms of figures would be number one, but Rigaud in terms of players anyway. That's a subjective thing. That's my view. And I and I understand that the, the argument for sure Zor, and it's a good one. Scherzer's incredible. And what would really really make this a true debate is? If sure could get into the post-season and deliver in the postseason like Rigaud did in the postseason in the most important games in the truth is, is that Shire's has not in the postseason. But anyway, wanted to mention that there was one other thing I had on unless, oh, Yukon, leaving the big east leaving leaving the American to joy. Join the big east Aaron because you know what they realized there a basketball school and the big east is a basketball conference, and they're going to be a part of that beginning in twenty twenty. What does that mean with respect to football will they drop a level and football will Randy Edsel, take them from from essentially one AA to division, one in now back to one AA again? Well right now they're trying to stay alive. Apparently the plan right now is to work as an independent. They already have home in homes lined up that, you know, they had made out of conference before. So they can hopefully expand that my guess is either they're going to end up. They're gonna try to join a conference like the MAC, I which by way just kicked out. You mass for being football only, so I don't know why necessarily they would take on Yukon, but who knows maybe they do it, and that would say them, otherwise, they might end up the back at the FCS level. Yeah, I look, I would never. Want Maryland, Maryland, has never been in the position that you can was Maryland's always been in power conference in football, and in basketball, but I do think before Maryland, moved to the big ten if more thought had been given to what we really are as Maryland sports, in that is a basketball for school. I think maybe cooler heads have prevailed, and they would have stayed in the ACC. And by the way, many of you have pointed out when I've had this conversation before that they were never going to turn down the money of the big ten, but the exercise that they went through to go to the big ten was not an open process, and the ACC was caught off guard and I still believe that if Maryland gone to the ACC and said, we're in trouble financially, we need help that the ACC would have been there to help them out to bail them out, and to provide them, with a huge upside in the future of the AC network. Which by the way, correct me if I'm wrong launches at the end of this summer cracked with. Without what would have been their biggest markets Washington in Baltimore? I know Syracuse has you know, the New York markets, but they're not in New York team. They're not a New York metropolitan team will the ACC network, Air New York. I don't know. I guessing it it'll be a in it'll, it'll, it'll Aaron Boston because of BC, right? But, but certainly, the Washington Baltimore market, you know, both of them would have. I don't think it's going to be as never base of as the big ten network is want. I'll tell you what I mean, you know, I was never fan of going to the big ten but the best thing about the being in the big ten is the big ten network. It's really well done everything that they do in the on the big ten network, and all on a lot of their a lot of their broadcasters are excellent is well, all right. Don't forget to rate us and reviews. If you're listening on, I tunes also mentioned to people that wanna listen to the podcast, that don't know how to listen to a podcast that they can just go to the Kevin Sheehan show dot com and listen. They're back tomorrow with Tommy enjoy the day.

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"The following podcast contains explicit language. Hi, this is Josh Levin. And this is sports podcast hang up and listen for the week of November the fifth two thousand eighteen on this week show, the Washington Post. Rick Mace will join us to explain what's going on at the university of Maryland where head coach DJ Durkan was just fired. After a contentious investigation that stemmed from the death of Maryland player. Jordan, McNair, slates, Nick green will also be here to talk about the Buffalo Bills. Nathan Peterman who setting a new standard for bad quarterback play in the NFL and finally Bleacher reports Mirren fater will discuss WNBA players decision to opt out of their collective bargaining agreement and seek a better deal. Joining me in our Washington DC studio is Stephan fats, s author of the books word freak and a few seconds of panic. No funny scores and the NFL. So there's nothing to talk about. Hi, Steffan shall we? Just go. Right into the show the show. All right. Let's do the show. Last week, the university of Maryland, didn't and then finally did fire DJ Dirk in the football coach in charge of a program in which nineteen year old student, Jordan McNair died from heat stroke following a practice last spring, the fire in could and probably should have happened months earlier, especially after media reports, and then an internal investigation concluded that Maryland's football program under darken, and I'm paraphrasing. Here was pretty fucked up the process that led to darkens firing was kind of the same. Rick Mace of the Washington Post has been covering the Dirk case he joins us now. Hey, Rick great to be here. Thanks for common. Let's start with some background, Jordan. Mcnair death may have been caused at least in part, by football culture established by Durkan's since he was hired almost three years ago that has been revealed as at least in part physically and psychologically abusive of players, give us a quick synopsis of the circumstances that led to McNair collapsing and died. On the field and the investigations that followed. Sure sure, so we go back to may twenty ninth. It's the first day of spring workouts for the university of Maryland. And they're doing conditioning tests baseline tests to see where players are at. You know, what they need to work on a little bit more and they're doing sprints? They're doing a hundred ten yard sprints. They're supposed to be a series of ten and on the seventh. One Jordan McNair this nineteen year old offense of Lyman as clearly struggling unable to complete it. And it turns out he suffering from heat stroke. The trainers are kind of slow to respond. They're slow to treat him. They never diagnosed them. They never properly. Treat him for the heat stroke, and he's taken to a hospital where he basically stays for fifteen days before he finally he never recovers and he dies in the hospital. Maryland didn't sort of jump into a deep. Dive investigation of what happened though of it was really the media that sort of catalyzed the attention on whether there was something wrong with a the way McNair was treated on that day and be within. In the Maryland football program. Well, I'd say, yes. And no there's very little information coming out in the days and weeks that followed a Jordan falling down at practice. They never came out and said, this is what happened to them this condition. Here's what the prognosis for them. So there was certainly uncertainty the essence of certainty there's a lot of speculation. So I think behind the scenes after Jordan died they did pretty quickly launch an independent review into the circumstances surrounding his death. But there were no there was little transparency there. There are no regular updates to the media to the public, and it really wasn't until August tenth when ESPN published the story that kind of catalogs lot of other disturbing behavior allegations around the program that really the story started resonating and transcending this one player this one program and a lot more questions started flying around then. And then things started move a lot quicker Durkan. Didn't get put on administrative leave until after that ESPN's came out. And I think. The assumption was from a lot of folks that he wasn't gonna come back that this is not something that you recover from a big investigation like this that shows kind of in the in the parlance of the NCAA lack of institutional control a lack of control of reprogram that leads to a player dying. Where it seems like there's systematic berating of players things that feel abusive and food denigrate players for either being overweight or not strong enough. So my assumption was that you. When something like this comes up you. You ask for an investigation in order to give you permission or sanction to get rid of someone. But that's not when what ended up happening here. No. And it's it's complicates the simplest level. We have two separate things we have a young player dying during football practice. And then you have this this culture of bullying, behavior and abuse and all these heinous things now on a more complex level. Are they connected. And that's what they were trying to figure out through through the course of investigation. So I'm not sure they ever drew that line. Clearly, I'm not sure that they reach that conclusion alternately, but what they wanted to do is find out was DJ Durkan somehow responsible for the culture of the program. Which of course, you are on just about every level and be for that culture contribute to this this young man's death. It's hard to escape the conclusion that it did. I mean DJ Dirk and hired the strength coach that was that has been sort of pegged as the abuser in chief here. The most aggressive and insulting and dehumanizing, actor these, AVI. These kids these athletes Durkan said that was his most important higher. He made it. So that the on the chart this guy reported directly to him. And that's the guy he wanted to establish the culture this, you know, balls to the wall. Uber masculine kind of football angry man culture, so DJ Durkan and the university president Wallace low and the athletic director meet with the Maryland board of regents in late October. And according to your reporting, Durkan strikes, the board as quote, genuine, acknowledging problems and discussing solutions, they sort of buy into what DJ Durkan is selling, and it's after reading your and other reports it really feels to me like if they wanted to find a way to keep this guy because the culture of hiring in college football. You don't want to you want to believe that you made a good decision. And you wanna have this impression of the, you know, the this image of toughness that DJ Durkan supposedly brought to the university of Maryland. But what's Larry about it is, of course, that looked a the investigative report made some excuses for Dirk and said, he was a first time coach he didn't get enough institutional support and be that they walked out of that, you know, the meeting believing his his spiel football coaches are bullshitters if nothing else, they're salesmen. They sell parents. They sell players they sell the media. So of course, these starstruck. Board of regents old white guys were inclined predisposed. I think to walk away believing in DJ Durkan wanting to keep them with the least we know they were open minded, right because we know that everyone walked in there. He changed some minds and enough minds where they felt like they had a majority and can move forward with the vote. But I think you're right. I think a lot of people might think of football coaches, an Xs and os, guys, especially the collegiate level they are sales people. They they have a message. They want to get out there. They wanna get that message. To recruit to a booster. They wanna get it to a fan base. That's a big part of the job in college football. So it's no surprise that. You know, a young energetic coach can walk in a room and easily sway or be persuasive. At least, you know, the group regents. And clearly, you know, no one's had any shame and admitting. That's what happened. He went in there and change the minds got them on his side. And they decided this guy's he made some mistakes, but he's the one that can fix these mistakes. And he deserves to come back in your reporting. What's your sense of how much financial considerations played into this? Because he had they would have had to pay him a buyout. And that's what they're going to end up having to do. Now. Once the decision was reversed. I would say that no one has formerly told us that it played any role. And in fact, they said the opposite. Now, the cynic in me says that's crazy. How how do you make this decision and not play major role? But we know boosters were. You know, writing letters to regents and certainly trying to leverage their influence from from the start of this thing in which direction the stirs all wanted to keep him. Well, they let it boosters were certainly lined up behind DJ Durkan from day one. They liked the chummy relationship. They had with the football coach, they did not think that the cultural Maryland was different than the other big ten program or any other kind of big college program. But you gotta remember the athletic booster is not the end OB on the in the academic world higher. Ed, there's the donor. That's kind of the mega donor, the big fish donor. And they were also in the air, and they were lined up firmly behind Wallace low, that's the one who courted those big seven eight figure donations that if you walk around campus, you see the names on the building those guys are bigger fish than the athletic booster. And so they were certainly, you know in the year of regions and the chancellor another people's well, saying, hey. I might not care as much with the football program. It's embarrassing. But you gotta take care of the school president he's important here. So how much influence all these people have who knows? I mean, the region's ultimate did what they're gonna do. So they walk out of this meeting and the region's deliver a message that they wanna keep DJ Durkan. And basically, it sounds like it was an ultimatum to Wallace low the university president and low decides he has the authority on whether to hire or fire the football coach he decides to keep them keep the director and low announces that he's the one that's going to retire early next spring lows role here is fascinating because this is a guy that has raised an enormous sums of money enormous sums of money for the university of Maryland. He was also the architect of Maryland's moving from the ACC conference where had been for sixty years to the big ten driven entirely by the prospect of receiving tens of millions of dollars more in revenue which at the time in two thousand twelve when the decision was made he described as a way to solidify and preserve Maryland's football. And other sports programs. Oh, yeah. I mean for from the beginning he was a huge figure of entry. And certainly there were there things by his own actions that that ruffled a lot of feathers people did not like the way he came out and took moral and legal responsibility almost from day one, or at least when for Jordan for Jordan McNair stuff, certainly we've heard from a lot of people close to the border regions that they were not happy with the way while slow is handled previous things, and they if they trusted him more. I don't think they would have taken over control these these investigations. And ultimately the decision would have would remain in college park from the beginning. The fact is they didn't trust him to to kind of do the right thing into hold the the ethnic department accountable. Lease the way they saw fit so he was a huge figure of intrigue from day one. And you know, we still is his status with university is still very much in question. They're still people lined up on both sides that love them that hate him. The things that he's part of the problem that got the football program in the department to this point in the first place because of moving to the big ten that's a huge part of it. You know, the the identity of athlete department has always been. Up in question, and you go from ACC in basketball, heavy school to the big ten that that angered a lot of people a lot of old time Maryland fans and people including people in the border regions. You know, and people that were very close as process from day one. So he made a lot of enemies I'd say that and the other big issue was the renaming of bird field. And for people aren't aren't familiar the name of the football field. The Maryland football team plays on was named after a former school president someone who's highly regarded and with super impactful, but also was a noted segregationist and at some point Wallace low and other university officials questions, you know, should we be honoring this person in this manner? And ultimately, they had a very contentious disagreement over the issue while slow really pushed forward with renaming the field and that angered a lot of people including James Brady, the board chair. And the man is probably the most heat for pushing this all through this is the culture award issue. Like, so many other things and in this case activists who ended up. Kind of changing the tenor of the conversation where the players I mean, the first outside kind of move as we said that got DJ Dirk and put on leave with the ESPN report. And it wasn't just like ESPN got the Steph edit than air they got stuff from players on the team who gave them this information about how they were treated. I mean, whistle blowers, basically. Yeah. And then after it came out the Durkin was gonna stay that the board of regents had made it the season players put their names behind. This was not anonymous. They went on social media Ellis McKinney. Who was a high school teammate of Jordan mcnary wrote every Saturday, my teammates, and I have to kneel before the memorial our phone teammate, yet a group of people do not have the courage told anyone accountable for his death. If only they could have the courage Jordan had it's never the wrong time to do its rate. Jordan McNair, father also came out and said I feel like I've been punched in the summit stomach and somebody spit in my face. Face about the decision to allow Durkin to stay on. This obviously must have had an enormous effect on what the ultimate outcome was. I think it did. And if we go back to that Tuesday when they announced the Durkan's coming back. I had a lot of people in my ears because you know, the public reaction was moving fast and furious and one person close to the team said Ricky or have your eyes open because there could be a player boycott. This guy was not universally loved. And there are a lot of people that didn't just not love him. They actively despise them because they think he contributed to the death of their teammate Iran that a few other people, and they said, Rick, you're crazy. That's that's impossible now because this decision if it highlights anything it's the head coach is untouchable. He is all powerful and yet the next day while this low basically, and who knows whether he was playing three d chess with the board of regents anticipating that the governor and the players and fans and other supporters in the media would widely condemn the decision to keep Durkan. But while slow comes out and says firing him. You mentioned it in passing but Republican governor of the state Larry HOGAN in the middle of like, a an election comes out strongly against dark which surprised me. I mean, I don't know the like dynamics of Maryland politics, super intimately. So maybe people who do that wouldn't surprise them. But that was like a pretty big thing to happen in the middle of it was kinda surprising. I mean, HOGAN had pointed the multiple members of the board of his and people that actually work in the administration. Right. Yeah. I mean, the board chair James Brady was the transition chief when HOGAN took office for years ago. Most of these were pointed by HOGAN, and I guess when you go back to Tuesday when the board made its decision. Larry Hogan's initial statement was kind of you know, lukewarm the next day as everything's going. Crazy. He comes out with a much more forceful statement. Which way the wind was blowing. He probably did any new election day was less than a week away. And you don't want anything. I mean, granted he's got a twenty point lead. You know, according to poles, but you don't want anything to to to kind of compromise. But he clearly saw the way where we're feelings lied. And he felt like he had to be on the right side of it and issued a much stronger statement surprise me as well. Players did walk out of their first meeting with Durkan when he came back to the locker room, your colleague Jerry brewer columnist for the post interviewed Harry Edwards sociologist and activists who who's was working sports dates back to fifty years ago. Nineteen sixty eight the Olympic boycott by Tommy Smith, and John Carlos he pointed out that ultimately this really is a sign that players do have power, and that they need to recognize that they have power and Edwards posited that this could be the first sort of of a wave of player understanding that they have the power in college sports that they have been told for generations that they do not have after can was fired a linebacker on the team name. Trae Watson wrote on Twitter pressure busts pipes, doesn't it? And then mckennie added most certainly does don't let anyone tell you your voice doesn't matter. Yeah. It was very moving. And I tell you it was I felt much differently four five weeks ago where I talked to a lot of players that felt like they suffered. Abuse plu playing in the program. And I kept saying why didn't you speak out sooner? And there's just so much fear there in the power balance is tilted so far in one direction that they felt like they risk losing so much and one player in particular. I talked to he didn't leaving the program early. I think he stayed for two years spill fills like he suffered for mental health had to go on medication and ultimately left the program. And the just the way his life has changed since then I mean, you go from gin free scholarship to a big flagship university where your food provided you have the great weight room. Everything's kind of catered to you. And he's now taking out student loans to pay for school head to get a job to pay for his housing. His his mom had to get a loan to to help keep things afloat you risk losing so much by speaking out. And it's just gonna take a lot more of instances like this. Where players can kind of come together and unify around an issue or a cause and speak up until people start recognizing both, but the players themselves, and outsiders that they really do have some muscle and. These conversations to final thoughts for me. The first is that the really sad. An unfortunate thing here that I don't think you can actually extend broadly across college campuses is that I think in order for the players to get. Massa port at took join McNair dying like if all of the same fact pattern had held up, and I'm pretty sure that it does at a lot of schools across the country. I don't think you get support from the governor of Maryland or from supporters of the program or from the school, president to change anything. And so we'll see if maybe players at other schools will we'll try to speak out and get a different lesson. If the circumstances are different. And I think it's also worth saying that we'll see whether university presidents take something away from this. And maybe begin to recognize that sports aren't as Mike Sokolow who was on the show. Couple weeks ago are get an op-ed in the post sports shouldn't be the front porch of university that presidents can step back and put sports into the proper context. Financial pressures are so great. And I don't see those changing anytime soon, but. But university presidents have a lot more authority than I think they understand in sort of reshaping the culture of their campuses. I mean, the sad reality is that if the trainers did their job that day and brought down Jordan McNair temperature. I don't think we're having this conversation, and we certainly didn't have this controversy in the whistle blowers step forward and the regions don't take up the matter. And I mean, I I loved finding silver lining and things. And hopefully, there is something here at the end of the day. But I'm still we watch us game last week. And I'm still stuck on these these teammates that, you know, there's no silver lining for them right now still I mean, they lost their teammate their friend, their their roommate in some instances, and there's no bring him back in that should not have been the case. The last thing I wanted to say was I forget why I ran across this. I I think maybe times Gocha re tweeted it, but you could argue that the original sin here is Maryland trying to be good at football, right because it's a lacrosse school. It's a basketball school. There's not a great tradition of football. Success? There seems like while slow maybe he did the right thing here in the end, but he was largely responsible for chasing the big ten dollars. Just this idea that we're going to build this program out of I mean Ralph region had some success there. But out of like not that much of a tradition. We're going to need this like young up and coming hard charging coach to come in here and make us tough and build us up in a way, we've never been built up before. And maybe we'll have to cut some corners or or something to to get there. Because we're in the big ten now, and we're a football school that to me like there could have been an alternate history here along the lines of what you said about what the trainers did where the school is like, let's really focus on these other sports and just not really care about. Well, we're gonna have football. Let's have an ethical human. Well, that's not possible is not three or I don't know. I mean, they're clear there's misplaced priorities. And I think this really highlighted. A lot of them. But if we did polling around the the subject, we talked to alums, and and fans and students and even faculty. I mean, I don't know what the solution is I don't know people would all rally rally behind certainly I've heard from a lot of people that said eliminate football. But a lot of others that still it is the face of the university, and they still really value in appreciate the the relationship the school has with its let programs. Rick Mace is a sports writer for the Washington Post. Rick, thanks for coming on the show. Sure thing. This episode of hang up and listen is brought to you by Zip Recruiter. You know, what's not smart job sites that overwhelm you with tons of the wrong resumes. But you know, what is smart going to ZipRecruiter dot com slash hangup. Unlike other job sites, ZipRecruiter doesn't wait for candidates to find you ZipRecruiter finds them for you. It's powerful matching technology scans dozens of resumes identifies people with the right skills education and experience for your job. And actively invites them to apply. So you get qualified candidates fast. 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Buffalo Bills quarterback Nathan Peterman told reporters you just got to keep your confidence. High be the same player that you've been all along and go out there and rip it in Buffalo's forty one to nine loss to Chicago on Sunday Peterman who was starting because the bills top two quarterbacks. Were injured definitely with the same player that he's been all along he threw three interceptions. He generally looked incompetent and away that NFL quarterbacks. Don't in this. Modern pass Abby age joining us now to discuss the Nathan Peterman experience is Nick green who writes about sports for slate. What a great day to be a Nathan Peterman neck will Everyday's a great debut, Nathan fear gonna fan to be honest. I think maybe to go on that each day's better than the next interception. Is better the next he brings the kind of joy, I think to the NFL watching populace that the greatest players cannot. There's just a majesty and I think Kevin clerk of the ringer really capture this well yesterday and tweeting. The ghosts of every great deceased quarterback could parade onto the field in Cleveland and start playing while simultaneously divulging the secrets of the afterlife in their zero chance I will turn away from this Nathan Peterman game. Nick you've ridden. I think several stories at this point just a based around horrible, Nick, Nathan Peterman performances, dick Peterman, Nathan Peterman performances. Why what is your analysis of? Why watching Nathan Peterman is such great support? Well, I mean, there's stork -ly. This is something that we're just not used to seeing. He's thrown one hundred thirty three passes total in regular season and playoffs and thirteen of those have been interceptions which is extremely high rate yesterday against the bears. He threw three hundred -ception 's at had pre dreadful game and his passer rating his career pass rating actually went up by two points. So what we saw yesterday was actually a decent performance. But I I've gone from kind of being amused by him to feeling bad for him. And now, I really admire him. I mean, there's a there's an innocence in may total that is so refreshing after the game on Sunday in his news conference. He said nobody's perfect. And I think he would write you pretty much. That's true. That's hard to argue. But if it's. That combination of innocence and absolute terribleness that make Nathan Peterman such a captivating figure in the NFL in a time as you as you alluded to Josh this pass happy age, we're we're so used to seeing quarterbacks perform this crazy high level drew Brees and Jared Goff on Sunday throwing the ball in these incredibly type places and throwing for like fifteen touchdowns combined, and it's this beautiful balance wonderful style of football and the Nathan Peterman, meanwhile is completing thirty one passes on Sunday, by the way in forty nine attempts, which would be very good. If those passes had gone for more than one hundred and eighty nine yards and three of them didn't end up in the opposing team's hands yet a complete that many passes for that small amount of yards. Also historic Doug for of USA today wrote a apiece building an argument, that's like. Seems pretty rock-solid. Lad, the Nathan Peterman is the worst quarterback. And then I felt history. Just if you look relative to his era like you mentioned the interception rate neck, it's between nine and ten percent. The Sean Kaiser and the last couple years who was benched for being so terrible for the Browns is second interception rate and his four point seven six. There's a little leap there. Yeah. It's a little bit of a leap and you have to go back to the nineteen seventies. For our mentions a quarterback named Wayne Clark who threw four fourteen interceptions and no touchdowns for the chargers and bangles from nineteen seventy through nineteen seventy four this an era when like interceptions where a thing that we're thrown with more regularity. But what I would say Nick, you know, having watched the saints Rams and breeze them off. You know, you mentioned the Baletic nature of the play. And you've got, you know, beautiful timing throws and throwing the ball before the guy gets out of his break. But they're also cases like a lot of what the same success was on Sunday as the quarterback of voiding getting sacked and breeze would be under pressure from Aaron Donald who's the best defensive player in football. And he would find like a safety valve you'd flinging out to Alvin Kamara he would throw to the tight end Josh L like a five Eric completion. And so even when things break down totally the skill of the great quarterback is it's not that necessarily looks beautiful every time. It's that you have weighed negative plays and the genius of Nathan Peterman. Is that even when things are actually looking perfect and have Baletic actually turns that into negative place. So he turns the like the beautiful game ugly. And then when it gets ugly it really gets ugly. I might be a little Nathan Peterman Stockholm syndrome, but two of his three receptions yesterday word his fault. Right. The bills line is just terrible. That being said after I think this has been eight or nine starts of of this or appearances of this. I think we've seen enough. Well, Josh Allen. And Derek Anderson are in his bad as as he is. I mean, they're not good. But we've seen that there is there is a controlled variable here being the Buffalo Bills. And then the variable that we're changing the quarterback, and those guys aren't looking as horrible. Yeah. It's also going back to the the press. Conferences. I always ever always hates when when athletes use cliches give hundred ten percent, go back look at the tape. You gotta keep trying. Keep pushing Nathan Peterman delivers. Oh, same ones. But there's something just amazing and kind of lovable about it. When he does it because when you are. I guess as some would point out the worst quarterback of all time hearing them say that with a smile and kind of Chipper demeanor is just a wonderful thing. And I am a full-fledged Nathan Peterman fanatic. Have you bought from the Nathan Peterman store? He has a line of apparel. No. But Christmas is coming. Yes. Nathan Peterman dot by shop dot com. Nathan dash Peterman. It's he's got a collision Peterman muschamp. If I dot com already taken so Nathan dash, Peter. That was taken by actually, I'm just kinda squatting. Gravity sign. He's got three logos. Nathan Peterman got three logos. That's more than Federer has. And I gotta say they're pretty classy. He also goes by Nate Peterman that we already mentioned that and the on this merchandise, and so maybe he sees himself as a Nate. But he plays like Nathan, do you think that kind of split identity could be leading this some of his problems neck. Yeah. I think it's simpler, Wayne Clark situation, you were talking about earlier that was actually way Newton who suited up for. I think it was Dallas back then. So there's a similar kind of dichotomy between the two I think I to go back to defending Nathan Peterman, which is going to adopt that as my kind of my quarter here. He was put in the worst possible situation. Probably any quarterback. I can remember last year when he made his debut the bills were five and four and coach Sean McDermott inexplicably decided to bench tyrod Taylor who's their starter. While a lot of great quarterback. He was decent and kind of ironically famous for not throwing interceptions not turn the ball over. And he decided to just put nation Peterman in for reasons that baffle the universe to this day at the time. He said we were made for more than five and four, and I've come here to be more than five and four which is kind of just sort of obnoxious coachspeak and then naked Peterman with the backing of pretty much. No one in buffalo or the universe. Threw five interceptions in the first half, it sort of cemented his legacy. Right. Didn't there compared to start games since then? Yeah. That part I can't well. Well. We we joke about how lovable Nathan Peterman is that we dress our babies in petermann onesie those are available. I think nineteen ninety nine. But on a football level. There are a lot of heads. No doubt show. Everyone is not sharing in this joyful experience. Among them EJ Manuel who posted on Instagram and then deleted. I usually never open up about my situation in buffalo. But the fact that this guy has had multiple games with four plus interceptions. And I still don't have a job in the league. Unreal say what you want about me. But never have I ever done that forget a learning curve. I didn't get the luxury of being able to use that as an excuse. I wonder why. And I also think they wonder why might be applicable to say why buffalo may not have been interested in bringing in Colin Kaepernick for tryout. Well, do manuals black. Tyrod Taylor who got benched as black Colin Kaepernick black. I put in my notes. Stephan. Maybe white by the way, you should mention that for you can read what I wrote my notes here. Double agent paid for by Colin Kaepernick just a theory like on Twitter during these games about half of the comments are about how bad Peterman is and legitimately half are about Colin Kaepernick. And how this proves is collusion case that somebody like Nathan Peterman can start obviously Nathan Peterman is the third string guy and was only they didn't want to play him. But want to play him. Why is he on the roster in the first place and started he started the first game of the season? He was the he was named starter for the season. So good point good. Yeah. But. If Nathan Peterman did not exist. He is really setting the bar so low I think that the NFL colluded against copper, Nick, I think that he has a really strong case. I think the teams didn't wanna sign him for political reasons. But to argue. It's like if you removed Peterman from the conversation and just like looked around the rest of the league at the guys that are playing there's nobody that's like that. That's obviously that bad. Like, it's it's like it's like so far below the bottom of the barrel with this guy is doing and like, so many standard deviations below it. Just I don't I don't really know where I'm going with this. It just feels like maybe the collusion as if you're going to cite bad quarterback play as part of collusion case. I think you really have to rest your case on on Peterman. Because otherwise is there such a is there such a thing as a overabundance of evidence though. Yeah. Is this are we kind of is are the scales? Tip so much that it's kind of replying to the reality here. Because this is this is just too much. I don't know. Stephan. Do you feel like Peterman at this point? You know, we're all rooting for the guy. Maybe we're not actually rooting for the guy. I don't know how I feel. It's very complicated. But do you feel like the bills does really need to get rid of him over to the bills continue to Bank on the you know, the free publicity? They get from playing make him. Interesting. People talk about him. It's not like the Buffalo Bills are the most marketable franchise in the NFL. They may have hit on something here whenever he comes in a game or what he plays. He's always the number one trending topic in the country on Twitter, and these are games that are kind of regional games that don't get national broadcasts. Obviously except for that Sunday when he came into replace there Anderson against the patriots he delivers he's he's a star. And maybe that's part of it. I just don't know how we could have possibly seen this coming given that his first start ever when he was at Tennessee. He was four for eleven for five yards and two hundred. It's just how could somebody with that? How track record in college? Oh, good. In air quotes. Did he get at the university of Pittsburgh? So by senior year, he completed sixty percent of his passes and twenty seven touchdowns and seven interceptions. But also kind of a kind of a days work for him. He he he looks. I mean, he's like he's a big tall guy. I guess in the workout. She had a good arm. Had an arms he had an arm which kind of is will it's for better for worse. He has an arm. That's for sure. So he's kind of person that is physically a quarterback. But I think just the actual kind of mental mechanics maybe of being a quarterback or a little bit beyond him. But he doesn't get down. It's not like he has clearly has Nisha which is a good quality for other quarterbacks. When you kind of forget your last bad at play and keep going but for him. There's the ninja followed by sort of the same pattern of Nathan Peterman. Nece Nick green writes about sports for slate. Nathan Peterman plays quarterback for the Buffalo Bills. At least he did as a Sunday. Nick. Thanks for coming on. 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The WNBA is twenty two years old employs the best women's basketball players in the world is on ESPN and has loyal fans among them NBA players who tweet out praise and invite players onto their H B O shows as LeBron James did with Elena della Don on his talk show the shop, but the league is still a money loser. And its players are fed up with low pay minor league travel conditions and weak marketing last week in an effort to improve working conditions. The WNBA players union announced that is opting out of its labor agreement. Joining us now to discuss that move and the future of the WNBA is Mirren fater. She's a writer at large for Bleacher report magazine. Merrin, welcome to the show. Thanks for having me. Let's talk first about the decision to opt out the seems like a fairly big one for a league that is struggling in some aspects. But also seems like one that the players decided was necessary to take right at this time. It's pretty historic. I think that players have reached a point that they feel like they can't continue on as it is. Currently, I think they understand the financial realities that might prevent higher salaries, but nonetheless, they're they're really fighting at this point. And a lot of what they're arguing for is stuff. That is not. You know, the the weekly paycheck or the by weekly paycheck. I don't know how accounts payable work than the WNBA but things like flights and things like conditions at the you know, the team facility and things of that nature. Can you describe for us what these specific complaints are? And how they want them addressed. Yeah. Definitely I think people look at this. This this issue. Don't really understand it. They think oh they're asking for the same astronomical amounts that men players in the NBA receiving, and it's not true what they really want is a higher share of their revenue so WNBA players receive about twenty two percent and NBA players receive about fifty percent. So that's a disparity right there. Even though the two businesses aren't comparable in the sense that you know, the NBA generates nine billion WNBA will generate less than one percent of that. So they're looking for a higher share of the revenue like you mentioned travel. You know, they still fly commercial and for these women who need to be in flight shape. They're not getting the rest they need. They're not getting the travel accommodations. They need to play their best basketball. So that's a major thing. I think Neka go McKay. The president of the WNBA executive committee told me this infrastructural, so they're really looking to change their way the attitude with which the NBA the WNBA leadership looks in investment in this league. It's very much an attitude thing and not just a numbers thing. But the numbers are important. I think and I think putting them in context is really important because what typically happens when women's at when women athletes say that they wanna be paid Moore's that instantly the retrograde sports fan mail sports fan says, well, they're not as good, and they don't nobody watches them. And they don't they're not. They don't play as well. We'll just below the rim and those sort of bullshit arguments are perpetuated. And I think it's really important in struck. The way that this union has decided to make a stand similarly similar I think to the way that the women's national soccer team union decided to take a stand a couple of years ago and bring out publicly the state of their working conditions in the state of their pay. And I think that the more they can say something like look we get twenty two percent of the revenue. That's the estimate versus fifty percent for the men is the most compelling argument for for finding ways to elevate their status as professional athletes. I mean, absolutely. And that's why as you mentioned earlier, you know, the NBA players have done a good job in in vocalizing this fight too. I think that people don't really I think a lot of people were surprised to hear that like rookies in the WMA where making forty thousand dollars as a professional basketball player. And so I think it's just there's so much ignorance out there. And so WNBA players are really sick of operating an in what they call a near media. Cout where women are covered just four percent of the time. So they're saying listen, this is what we're going through. This is what we're not going to accept anymore. And this is how we need to move forward as a league or else things will honestly just continue to stay the same. All right. So let's make the best argument for the other side just in the interest of of hearing that argument what Adam silver told you Mirren was Commissioner of the NBA. Thank you seven. The tickets are very inexpensive. But even at low prices, we're not selling enough tickets to run a viable business at the end of the day. The consumer always wins. And right now, we don't have a winning consumer proposition. And I'm frustrated with that the NBA has a huge stake in the success of the WNBA. It's fifty percent ownership stake. And they've been trying to make the WNBA work as a business for twenty two years, and it's never made money. And so the argument that the other side will make in this labor negotiation is. We need to grow this pie before we can start talking about increasing salaries and. Having better perks players hiring charter jets. Yeah. So what would the what would the players response to that the players responses that while you're not investing enough in our league in order for us to make a profit? Right. So the NBA saying no, this is not a gender issue. This is a purely dollars issue. You don't make money. So therefore, why is it business would we pour more money into something that isn't making money. The players are saying no business is you have to invest properly. Pour money into something in order for it to succeed in grow. They pointed to the current G league salary situation. So the NBA just recently announced that they would pay Julie players high school elite athletes more than the max WNBA salary. If that high school player would join the G league for a year instead of going to college the one in done thing. So WNBA players are looking at this. And they're like you're investing in them. And not we are in need of similar invest. Events. And where I think the WNBA has a good case is to build a better relationship and make the players part of the branding and marketing and growth of the league. Traditionally sports leagues have relied on their own internal marketing departments working independently of players and players work independently of league by negotiating their own sponsorships and shoe deals and other forms of of contractually beneficial arrangements where a league like the WNBA that has struggled for so long could make real inroads into sort of rethinking and reformulating the way sports leagues operate would be to to really have a sincere genuine, you know, dollars connected. Spark partnership with its players to say to throw a challenge to the players. Look if you think the league can be more successful generate more. Revenue help us. Do it. Make us real partners. I mean, I think that's a good idea. I think one player made a great point in my piece, Elizabeth Williams. She said, look, we're in this era of me to strong women are everywhere. Why can't we get a company to invest in us in this way? Why can't we be marketed in such a way I think if their own input is valued? I think you will see different ways they're going to be market. I think the WNBA traditionally has been so confused on how to market this leak throughout its twenty two years. You know one minute. They're dressing them up in full, you know, dolled up and make up and the next minute. They're saying, no, no, no. We're athletes basketball is basketball. We're just like the NBA. But then they have different colored basketball in all these things. So I think that if you have players in the room, and you had leadership that actually has ties within the sports business community. The the president Lisa borders who stepped down this was not exactly her arena expertise. Then I think he will get more fruitful results in terms of marketing and partnerships. Nope. I've ever heard your theory on this stuff, and I'm gonna put you on the spot. But why do you think? Women's soccer or the US women's soccer team, and particular is so much more popular than women's basketball. And you know, the the top women's soccer players are going to have a higher rating, and you know, the attendants is higher. I mean, obviously, the pro league has struggled. So that's a separate issue. But why do you think soccer and basketball or appear to be on different trajectories? Or I think the main reason is that there is this unifying event every four years that the United States is great at and the United States is great at in comparison to the men the women's soccer team. The the US women's soccer team has been the best in the world for, you know, for for for twenty thirty years now since women's soccer became a thing in the US men have not had that attention. But it really is the quadrennial World Cup that I think has made them sort of bona fide celebrities that they that they can become and giving them the marketing opportune. Unity's that they've had at the qualifiers for next summer's women's World Cup the qualifying tournament for Concha calf was held in the United States. There were not a lot of people at these games. So you know, I mean, it really is the sort of. World celebrity that can focus on them every four years. I think and I don't think women's basketball has that. Yeah. So young women Mirren. They're looking who wanna play basketball? They're looking up till the Bron James Kevin Durant Steph curry, and that's as it should be an LeBron James is also telling folks, you know, you should be watching my more and Elena della, Don, and and Candace Parker, but how do you how do you feel about what? Stephan just laid out there in terms of the differences between say basketball and soccer. I mean, I think those are good points. I also think though, it's it's not like the regular women's soccer league in the US drawn, huge crowds too. I think that they face very similar challenges that WNBA players do. But you know, I think overall when you're young girl and you're looking at what sport to play. And if you wanna play it seriously, they're looking at these WNBA players in there saying like half the year, they're in some foreign country by themselves. That's not glamorous. I don't wanna do. That's not sustainable. They're not giving a model to look at that. And by the way, just you know, for people who don't know is there going overseas, obviously to supplement their incomes, so women get paid much more overseas. Even though now that money is is drying up. So, you know, if you're a young girl, and you're seeing now you're like that's not exactly an attractive path for me. A lot of young women whole watch the WNBA like like, you mentioned they're looking up to the Curry's LeBron's. I used to coach high school basketball on the side when I was first starting out in my journalism career, and I was amazed that none of my. Players knew who Pat summitt was the legendary Tennessee women's basketball coach. So, you know, I think that there is just a lack of coverage of women that leads to this idea of just not knowing who the players are not knowing where you can find their games, and therefore you're you're less likely to identify with them in and want to invest in them. I think that's the strongest point that the players are making here in the u made as well Miron. It's like the four percent of of coverage here when you like turn on sports center, or you know. Other highlight shows or even if you're looking on Instagram or Twitter, never like the way that people know, I'm going to say something incredibly banal. So please forgive me the way that you know, about stuff is if you like watch it about. And so that I think is the existential issue here is just like how do you get? It's it's marketing it's working with the league's broadcast partners. It's getting stuff on social media in such a way that people are intrigued inspired whatever term you wanna use. But it's also is a business question. If you decide as I think the WNBA smartly has in some markets that you're better off playing in a smaller arena. The Washington mystics are going to be playing in a forty two hundred seat arena next year, rather than in the place where the wizards play because it makes more sense you can sell it out. But it's going to depress your attendance. So the issue becomes how do you have a sustainable highly paid league where do you get the revenue from how do you get bigger because on the one hand? Yes. Alain Delon brittney Griner. Schuyler digging Smith deserve to be paid a lot more money. They shouldn't be jamming their bodies into coach. They are. They are they are elite athletes and yet. What needs to happen to to get? You can't force ESPN to show more WNBA highlights. You can't force more kids to retweets WNBA gifts. I mean, this is true. But I do think it's like the article mentioned, it is very much attitude thing, it's there isn't the same emphasis for these companies, these sports media outlets. These TV stations to have WNBA information available because they'll say, well, it doesn't make money. It doesn't sell all these things. But this is again, this is a central tension of the piece this is the chicken or the how can it become popular? If it's not on TV, but you can't be on TV unless you're popular. So that that was really what I was trying to get after in the piece is that you have these really difficult working conditions with no immediate end in sight. But what I really was struck by was Adam silver's comment to me that he doesn't feel that. Asking for more TV time on ESPN is necessarily the solution. He was quote, frustrated by that demand. And a lot of people wrote to me, and we're really surprised by that. Because TV in marketing they go hand in hand. You know, if you can't see the players, you're not going to identify with them. And you're not going to want to invest in them. So unless those things change I just don't see salaries changing, you know, I I am a female sports writer in a male dominated field. Of course, I'm writing about the WMBA and their male counterparts are not if you had more women's sports writers, you might have more female contents. There's there's just so many layers of media and marketing and things and it's just there's no immediate unin site. And it's obviously not ESPN's responsibility to do anything like it's up to accept that. They're paying twenty five million dollars a season to show WNBA games. Right. But they don't have to show more highlights. If. Feel like people don't wanna watch it. Like, it's back to the chicken and egg thing it's just like ESPN doesn't have any kind of imperative because they feel like it's the right thing to do like the lever here, and that's what you were getting on Mirren, which was kind of surprising. It's like then be has a lot of leverage where they could tell. Yes, PIN. You do actually have to show more WNBA highlights. If you want this next rate deal, you do have to show more games, you'd have to put them on more desirable channels and time slots, and that's why I actually found it. Surprising. It's like, okay. The WNBA twelve million dollars the NBA made nine billion dollars in revenue twelve million dollars. Not that big a deal. And so actually surprising to me to hear Adam silver run down the league like that. And obviously a cruise benefit from having the league in terms of. It's it's good marketing for them to support women playing basketball. And if they if they shut down the league or if the league failed that wouldn't look. Good for then be a and so just for them to talk about it as purely dollars and cents thing when the dollars and cents aren't that large seems like disingenuous and kind of weird to me that struck me as the same problem with the way that US soccer reacted when the women wanted more equitable, pay vis-a-vis, the men everything doesn't have to be profitable. It's certainly within the NBA's purview to say. Hey, this isn't profitable. We don't care because it's valuable to our society to have a great women's basketball league. That will showcase these amazing athletes for girls and fans who love it. Right. Anything what we're seeing? Now is you know, WNBA players are really sick of hearing this kind of like, well, you can't get us these flights. Are you can't you know, incur these losses to them? They, you know, they feel like a charity case they feel like, oh, you're just you just string us along. Because it's good PR for the NBA. Oh, we just exist. Be grateful you exist. And I was something that came up a lot. I need Adam silver was like, you know, the the idea that our conversation is about the future of the league is such a sign of progress. Normally, I'm asked will the WNBA exist tomorrow. And while that may be true. It's not enough anymore to survive. You know, if they wanna have a sustainable future for this league that actually turns a profit, and then actually brings, you know, young girls wanting to make viable living at this things are going to have to change. They they can't stay like this Mirren fader piece for Bleacher report magazine is titled inside the WNBA fight for higher pay. We'll link to it on our show page. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thanks for having me. This episode of hang up, and listen is brought to you by SimpliSafe, there's one thing that sports can teach us it's that you can never count out the underdog no matter how big the odds. 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No. Well, it was another typical. Weekend of high school football, the usual dose of ambulances and airlifts. Plus, of course, lots of prayers are thoughts and prayers are with Boone Ville sophomore QB, John Daniel Deaton who was injured in the third quarter and had to be taken to the hospital with lower back injury. Prayers going up for injured Calloway football player Sherman, Holmes. He left the game in an ambulance. How is the injured player that left on the stretcher prayers? He is. Okay. Exclamation point in Mississippi Greenville, high school defensive back fractured his c one and c four vertebra on a helmet to helmet hit while making a tackle over the weekend. He was given CPR on the field airlifted to a hospital and placed on a ventilator a prayer. Vigil was held the next night in the high school gym. It was at least the third time the season that a defensive back has broken his neck and stopped breathing while making a tackle. I learned all that. From Kenneth Johnson. The former high school football assistant and current gadfly who's retweets of America's Friday night, low lights, I recited a few weeks back. He's also been tally. From news reports catastrophic injuries and illnesses in youth high school and college football here some numbers on that. Using his injury designate neck twenty two injuries, seven paralyzed brains. Twelve one death internal organs sixteen orthopedic seven one amputation. External heat, cardiovascular nine four fatal. And for autopsy reports pending national data show that you football participation is declining and searches like Johnson's are turning up other supporting figures seasons cancelled games forefeited games halted in progress. So far this year Johnson is counted forty two schools that called off their seasons twenty that suspended their seasons after one or more games eighty two that cancelled or forfeited games in advance because of Tricia or injuries and thirteen that halted games in progress for those reasons that count is low news reports don't pick up every forfeit. There have been at least five for instance, in the public schools league this season, but Johnson's numbers are far higher this season than the ones that he accumulated for the previous two which makes reading about a board games. Like watching the demise of high school football in real time. The New York Times reported last week that matai chin high school in New Jersey forfeited a game for lack of players for the first time in a history. Dating to the nineteen thirties. The principal was quoted as saying it never crossed my mind that we would ever not have enough kids to play a game. But as concern over braying, another injuries rises, more parents and kids are bailing on football. As a result. The pleaded rosters and forfeits are everywhere. San Diego Lincoln, Nebraska, Flanagan, Illinois, Rudyard, Montana, where the high school forfeited a six man football game in fort dodge, Iowa, a forfeit in coach said, quote, some of our freshmen are a hundred and twenty pounds, and I don't want to put them out there and quote. Ah forfeiting school in Nebraska that won the eight man football state championship. Eight times between nineteen seventy five and nineteen ninety had more boys. Go out for cross country than football this year. A prep power in Massachusetts Lawrence academy which had won four straight league titles. Started this season with fewer than thirty players and as forefeited three games a high school in Wilmington, Delaware, forfeit, its last six games. After losing the previous three by one hundred and thirty two to nothing when it deflated its balls for the season that school was down to seventeen players. It started the season with just twenty six it's reckless and negligent for coaches and administrators to allow football to be played with so few players, and it's not uncommon. There's no national roster. Minimum only a few states have one. You may have seen video of a high school team in Detroit walking off the field and the second quarter instead of lining up for an extra point. It was down to fifteen players at the time. The coach of Richmond heights high school in Ohio pulled his team off the field in the first quarter of game against kirtland for safety reasons. Richmond heights had seventeen players kirtland had seventy four ending the game was obviously the correct and ethical move. But football is football. So an official with a high State Athletic association said Richmond heights might face disciplinary action for walking off the field in Massachusetts the superintendent of undefeated Everett high school was upset that rival Maldon cancelled a game for safety reasons because it's roster was down to thirty nine players twenty two of them. Freshman back when Maldon dominated the rivalry in the nineteen eighties. The superintendent said, quote, we never backed out of a game and came to play and it's disappointing that they would take this away from these young gentlemen. Local writers also are not pleased that they won't be able to cover these. Young gentlemen, playing football. A columnist for the newburyport daily news in Massachusetts complained that four fits in the name of player safety were affecting standings and playoff races and depriving seniors on both teams of their final glories Lawrence academy's forfeit against governor's academy. The columnist noted with a straight. Keyboard quote, cost many of governors college hopefuls an opportunity to build up their stats and tape for college scouts because Josh that's what it's all about. That's what high school football is truly truly about stacked teams taking advantage of depleted under-sized inexperienced and exhausted opponents to pile up statistics that might impress college recruiters for war on football. Just never ends. Josh, what's your Keith mall? So there's nothing as stark about. About the inequities and disparities in college football. As when the great Steve Berkowitz of USA today each weekend starts tweeting out, the various incentives and bonuses that coaches get financial bonuses because their players one games. This was on my list of future after balls. So it's all yours. Now. Josh. Sorry stephan. I got there first. So here are some examples of some things that Berkowitz tweeted recently, he has access to the contract seemingly of every major college football coach with all of their different incentive clauses. So for example, after Alabama beat LSU not that big a deal, but after Alabama coach Nick Sabin got a seventy five thousand dollar bonus because they clinched the SEC west title, so congratulations, Alabama players you just guy. You're extremely rich coach seventy five thousand dollars earning a spot in the conference championship game. Fresno state's Jeff Tedford got fifty thousand dollars because his team got eight wins his earned three hundred thousand dollars and bonuses. So far the season must make the Fresno state players. Just feel so good that they're coach is gone many incentives. And then, of course, we're all following you. Yukon, which lost to Tulsa, forty nine to nineteen that my favorite contract Yukon is now one eight on the year and uconn coach Randy Edsall got a bonus of two thousand dollars head coach Randy Edsall of the one eight Yukon huskies lost forty nine and nineteen because you con- scored first and the game so Chang Varandy, it's all two thousand dollars for his team losing for United nineteen so USA today where Berkowitz works. They tweeted out about a month ago. This graphic of all of Randy at Seoul's bizarre contract incentives therm as ING so he gets two thousand dollars each for scoring I leading at halftime. And if his team leads the game in points per possession or total offense, which is the points per possession thing is particularly than on defense. He gets two thousand dollars each. For his team leading an tackles for loss margin points per possession turnover margin and sacks. He also gets up to fifty thousand dollars. If his team averages more than forty points on the air and fifty thousand dollars if his team gives up less than ten there's kind of a sliding scale situation there Morgan Moriarty of Espy nation described this as you head coach Randy edsels contract is basically just a prop bets sheet, which I thought was a fair characterization. So this is all new to me like I hadn't seen this before this weekend. And then I looked in there. Applies to Berkowitz tweeting about Randy edsels weird score I situation and Mike waters or reporter for Syracuse dot com said some intrepid reporter should check to see how often uconn won the toss and elected to receive. I don't know if I would describe myself as intrepid, but I do have the ability to search to Google things. And so this was the task that I said for myself. On Sunday evening. Do does Randy Edsall who has a financial incentive for his team to score. I win his team wins. The toss does he electricity which would allow give his team better chance to score? I rather than deferring to the second half going on defense. So they played twenty one games last two years, and I did confirm with Berkowitz that this this incentive clause has been in effect for both seasons. So at sole twenty one games with the score first incentive. You can't as only one the six times. So we have a small data set here. That's really weird those six twenty one. So they've taken the ball. I four times out of six so it's not like a slam dunk. It's all you does it every time certainly not an opposite direction where he defers every time, but we got a little bit of evidence for to to you know, if it was three to three we would have maybe become to a different conclusion we made a larger sample in the other. Navy in the other two Josh he was confident that his defense would score safety. It's a great point picnics. That's a great point. Maybe there are playing Nathan Peterman. So. Four taking four times. Deferring it twice. We obviously need more data points here. But let's look at the larger story here. The college stats are hard to come by. At least I was not able to come by them. Maybe someone who's more intrepid would have come by college taking the ball versus deferring stats, but in the NFL is very clear trend. So when teams were given the choice to defer their choice second half that started in two thousand eight only seven point eight percent of coin toss winters chose to defer. But by two thousand fifteen then number had changed. This is like pretty crazy. It had gone from seven point eight percent to seventy six point four percent of teams chose to defer in the second half. And then according to yes, PIN, stats and information as of two thousand fifteen teams who deferred one fifty four point nine percent of the time. Nation for choosing to defer is that. Teams like to do this. And it seems borne out by logic and numbers to some degree is the teams like to be able to double up because you can game the clock. If you have the ball last in the first half, you can milk the clock try to score with no time left and then immediately get the ball back and the second half as if you get the ball first in the first half, you kind of seed control of that. You lose the opportunity for doing that kind of double up is it does it give you a huge advantage. Probably not have data on how many teams and the first half with the ball. And then start the second half with the ball. We don't that would be a great, gentlemen, trumpet. Somebody would need to be intrepid to that. But Bill Belichick. This was like a New York Times story of years ago at that point he had chosen to defer forty eight times out of fifty. It seems like they're a few exceptions and the NFL and maybe an college. But it seems like deferring is the thing that most coaches do. So Randy Edsall. I don't know seems like the guy might be might be wanting to get cash the extra two thousand dollars every week for his one eight team. I don't know. Let's just be clear because you really haven't been super clear that Randy Edsel has getting bonuses based on how his unpaid players perform for him in very specific situations during games, I was like extremely clear about that. At the beginning of the. I'm just reiterating it because it needs to be reiterated. So more evidence needed early indications early research shows that Randy edsels behavior might be questionable. If I were Yukon fan or player, I might wonder as my coach just trying to make an extra two thousand dollars in cash off of players on paid labor here. I don't know. Maybe it's a question you should raise about your one eight coach, hey, it is cap that one hundred thousand dollars these bonuses. So her year for you. So that seem sensible. For for Randy Edsall, one eight coach of Yukon, he might he might be deferred with that record before too long. That is our show for today. Our producers Patrick fort to listen to pashas and subscribe or just reach out. Good a slate dot com slash hang up, and you can Email us at hang up at slate dot com for Stephan fats this I'm Josh Levin remembers mobility, and thanks for listening.

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Book Of Chaos?

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Book Of Chaos?

"Carello everybody. You're looking live at fans Ville a college football utopia. With a rivers flow with ice cold Dr Pepper where every day is Saturday in. Everyone's a fan even babies and the seasons never change. Because the only season is college football season. Get a taste of fans Ville this fall during a college football game near you Dr Pepper the official Drake a fans Ville grab some today. This is campus conversation now, here's your host match shit thrilled me with you here on this Thursday at on a day where we do have some news to discuss we'll get right into it after we get out of the tunnel. But before that, we need to say Hello to else's joining us via technology. Hello Peterberg is it via or via? I always have a problem with that is that like it a vase or vase. I just is it program or program. Oh, it's definitely program. Yeah. Come on. Let's let's make sure we got it. Right. No. I'm happy to be here as well. Jim. It's hard hard to believe. Like we've been doing this. I feel like we're like weeks two or three in yet. We only have what three or four weeks of actual college football until we have to pretend to care about other sports around here. I'm not I'm not I'm not excited about that. That's why the countdowns before the season of oh, it's going to be great. The countdown like just let it happen because it's kind of guerilla is so quickly. Adam redbird, Horry, buddy. I'm good. I'm good. It's tomato. Let's get it. Snobby way to say it. Sure your officer doing very well. Your aunts and uncles as well. Yeah. While you we've got much to get to Phil Steele. We'll be with us as a he's referred to by Josh macrey run down the refusal of losing who went four and two last weekend. Oh, less needed that one. He didn't let one week impact is following week. What does it moustache moustache for Phil? Yeah. Yeah legend, it's how you pronounce that plus talk nerdy to me with Brad Edwards and Seth Walder. But we got an injury to starting quarterback for a playoff potential team. Let's get out of the tunnel. Time to come out of the tunnel on campus conversation Notre Dame is going to be without quarterback. Ian book this week against Florida state because of an undisclosed injury head coach Brian Kelly will likely have dress this by the time, you listen to this podcast, the hit he took against northwestern is online where the the wildcat tackler got a knee into books ribcage while book was diving, and we're Suming at that was the hit book has been starting since the game against Wake Forest. The offense is looked infinitely better not perfect. But averaging nearly five hundred yards thirty eight points a game since he became the starter. Leads the nation in completion percentage semi-finalist for the Davey O'Brien Maxwell awards Irish sports daily was the first to report this one out today. What more can you? Tell us about this injury and his potential status moving forward. Sure. We'll sources tell me it was a rib injury as you mentioned in the northwestern game. Now the game he had the put away touchdown touchdown run in the fourth quarter came out to talk to us in the media seem fine. But appears at this injury continued and is going to keep him out for stir against Florida state. And I'm also told from source in the program that Ian is expected to return next week against Syracuse. So just like we all thought Josh they're holding out for Florida state. Bet he'll be back for the Syracuse orange because if they not that there's just it's over. It's just what we all believed. Right PB like in the preseason. Thank goodness. Notre Dame doesn't have to play Syracuse. It's crazy that we're not only that. It's like thank goodness Ian book who at that time was the backup quarterback. Right. Like, we'll we'll only miss the Florida state game in be back for Syracuse. I think that goes to show you how weird twenty eighteen has been for a bevy of different schools. But listen, I mean, it it is a factor in I always the first thing when I see big injuries. Like this get announce I always want to know, what does Las Vegas think about it? Because traditionally that's where you see billion dollar casinos being built. And I think before the game in win. There was not this news if it was kind of questionable. Whether he was going to play Notre Dame opened up around nineteen point favorite that is already down to about fifteen and a half, my continue to roll down a little bit more. Once the money comes in. So I mean, obviously, there's a difference in the. Style and difference in the proficiency of that offense. What seventy four percent of his passes. He's completed that was Ian book they go down to fifty five percent with wimbush. And this this no doubt Schick looks like an incredibly different offense. When book was in in one that seem to be gelling in kind of falls apart against, you know, luckily for Irish fans a rebuilding similar squad. Book has certainly allowed receivers to play more to their potential while Brandon wimbush more than that running quarterback Schindler to the move from hurts to for Alabama were. Wow, look at these receivers. Wow. This is they have some weapons here. The interesting part about this. The irony is that it's wind Bush that helped this team get the biggest win of the season big resume builder against Michigan in the season opener. Adam one last thing on the injury since it sounds like again, Brian Kelly might confirm this today. But since you're saying it sounds like he's going to be good for Syracuse. That makes you believe that. That if this week had been a very important game or lose -able game. He'd be playing is that a fair speculation. It's hard to say this just happened. And you know. Brian will address the media tonight after practice in south bend, and he may make reference to well, there's an emergency on Saturday. Meaning they're down or close game. They've you do see in book. But I think that they really do want to keep him out this week if at all possible because there's injury has has lingered and it's this week in practice, and I will say this. I actually speaking with an ACC offensive coordinator earlier today, Florida state while not being good. It's still scary talent, and especially on the offensive line and some other areas. So this does make it a little bit interesting because you'll Brandon obviously was out there when they beat Michigan. But was also out there when they struggled to beat ball state a game that our friend Peter is brought up a few times in his few. So so yeah. There's a reason they made a switch, and there's a reason that their offense has been a lot better than at the end book out there, you mentioned that the receiving so I'm very interested to see how Brandon wimbush performs because we haven't heard many complaints out of it. We haven't heard much of him at all since they made this change. And here's his opportunity on Saturday. And I think it's safe to assume that again speculation that it's not like book is guaranteed to be one hundred percent when he takes on Syracuse. So then you start talking about some what if what if Notre Dame drops a game. How will the committee view Notre Dame that drops a game with either book out this week or with book less than one hundred percent? There's so many other things we get that. There's so many variables outside of their controlling how other teams do. But but Peter kind of reminds me of Clemson last year, they drop a game oddly enough against Syracuse Kelly. Bryant was bagged up eventually sideline with a concussion didn't impact their playoff static simply because they had a wreck Miami team hanging out there that good winds on the schedule championship. As well. How do you think of a loss down the stretch here with Notre Dame would view would be viewed whether books in or or percents out interesting? You say that I almost think that if Notre Dame was to lose. I still don't think they will lose. I think they'd go undefeated you hear that golick and golick junior, I think Notre Dame's going tweeted. Tweet true unless you tweet it. That's right. However, if they were to lose because of that, this is almost a better game to lose because you can say, well, you know, Ian book didn't play for two states. Run defense was pretty good. It was a bad match forum as opposed to. Hey book comes back in. They lose to a good ranked team in Syracuse. I know that's crazy to say but having done the college. Thing I've seen where we'll wait a minute. Let's go back to what happened in that game. Okay. When they would go back and say, hey, if somehow Notre Dame was to stumble four to say there will listen this team is different when Ian book is in here if they were to come back with the book the following week against Syracuse. And do what they've been done that the book has done for for the most part of the year, which is lead the steam, the thirty eight points a game they that that actually in a weird way would help them if they happen to lose. But again, I don't think that they lose either one of these games. But now we start getting into everybody feels really good about their team is also looking at going. I would like a little chaos that happened here the last week or two just in case Clemson does lose a game or somehow Mississippi State stuns Alabama or Georgia's a one loss team that gets in where do they stand every everybody's looking. Everybody's pulling against everybody else at this point college football conferences, have a Notre Dame problem. I mean, the big ten of Ohio State wins out has a Notre Dame problem. The big has a Notre Dame problem. So any injury bad news. From order aim great for almost every other conference. Really when you're when you're trying to have some insurance or trying to find a path in into that top four. I'm with you on the Florida state thing where you lose to Florida state, and then maybe laying number there on on. Syracuse would kind of be best case scenario for worst case situation. But Adam Dan Wilkin USA today had an interesting one today. I don't wanna go through a billion. What if but he had one once I understood it became a little challenging to answer. But Notre Dame drops a game Bana, Clemson, Oklahoma and Ohio State all went out. So you got Notre Dame drop in a game. But Ohio State your one loss big ten sham who's who's in at that point, assuming Notre Dame loss is not a blowout loss. It's a competitive loss. I mean, that's an interesting one. Sure. Notre Dame and stay with both have wins over Michigan. Correct. State would have won more total win Notre Dame, Anna blowout loss Purdue. Yes, it would. But Oklahoma's last Texas is not looking great either all close loss. But but let anyone watch that game knows that Texas was better that day. I'm very curious as to how they're going to be okay. Ahome? Oklahoma. Maybe it would come down to a high state versus Notre Dame. But I do wonder if it would be Oklahoma versus Notre Dame and Oklahoma would have won a game West Virginia tough game on the twenty third and they would have won the big twelve. Yeah. Probably would be Ohio State. Sweating it out again on selection day after winning the big ten because of that that blowout loss, but they would've at least finished strong. They would have a road win against Michigan state. They'd have a road win or a home win against Michigan. That would be more impressive than what Notre Dame's doing here down the stretch and the other scenario like Alabama, Clemson, Oklahoma. And Michigan all went out Notre Dame drops a game. I think Oklahoma's in over a one loss Notre Dame. And I don't think it's a question. I Peter I don't think you can quantify. The momentum of November run the loss to Texas will feel like a billion years ago by the time the end November rolls around where if Notre Dame picks up a loss in the month of November with all traffic around them that would be in my mind, that'd be. Stating I think the earlier scenario its own state being compared to Notre Dame not Oklahoma. I think Oklahoma would be win went. I will tell you this when in when you get in these mock committees, and you guys have done it before. And you're in between you're trying to figure out which of the best teams that you go with the eye test as far as to a certain extent. Right. But the second part of it is like gimme a reason that that I'm going to bias against you mean by that is give me a reason why I can't just I can't put you in there and Ohio State. Unlike any other team has given the committee a reason to leave them out last year. It was the thirty one point to buckle against Iowa this year. It's twenty nine point loss blowout loss to Purdue team that lost to eastern Michigan at one point. Okay. So if it comes to it. Ohio State has to win it needs a little carnage to get in. And guess what? The only people that they will have to blame about that is not the committee. Not the fans not the media. They'll have to blame Ohio State themselves for laying an egg. And by the way, not looking impressive against Nebraska in just being kind of laxed days. But but Oklahoma we all love Oklahoma's offense. It's really entertaining. But like their defense is not good. It really isn't. I mean, and I talked how much better. Ohio states. Yeah. Well, but at least Ohio State, I mean, you talk about who they lost two and that's fair and they lost bad. But I think produce a team that I mean, we talk about Boston College this week against Clemson. And we're Purdue beat the snot out of Boston College. I mean, it's not a garbage Purdue team. Different teams. Department of the bigger point though, who is Oklahoma beating and Ohio State. At least we'll have wins over Michigan. And Michigan state in the month of November Oklahoma has beaten who I mean, Texas was their chance, and they and they didn't. And so this scenario West Virginia. West Virginia back to back wins over what the committee says top team wanted one in Morgantown and one on a neutral field to me that is look I get it at some point. You're trying to compare winds. But I'm with Peter. And that that twenty nine point loss is going to be a cloud that hangs over. How state no doubt, no doubt. It'd be interesting. But again, all this talk and might not even come down to to Notre Dame L considering their schedule. So we'll see what happens down the stretch. Is there anything by the way? Guys, you haven't you guys have not had a chance to weigh in on the rankings from Tuesday night. Adam is there anything that stood out to you that you either had an issue with or you wanted to applaud the committee for Peter Heather, and I talked about it, you know, leading into the rank. Yeah, it really played out. Exactly how we thought with the top six. I thought LSU's a little high honestly at seven, but again, West Virginia doesn't have too many signature wins state doesn't have too many signature wins. I. Generating to me. They always say, we don't talk about conferences. But it does seem like they have. I mean, I've had people in the ACC tell me that they're overvaluing the ACC. Honestly, I mean with with with that many teams in the top seventeen. Undervalue the SEC anchor the network, and I would say, I think they are overvalued the SEC. I mean with Sirven LSU being there at seven Kentucky's bidding air at eleven Florida, a three loss Florida being there at fifteen I think that may have overvalued the SEC and that's coming for me swell. Well, I think yeah. Brad even said yesterday he felt teams like eleven through twenty five most of them were overrated. And and the point is David Hale had the tweet last year in week ten there were no teams in the top twenty five of the committee that had three losses this year. There are nine of them. It's just a lot of teams with a lot of losses. You gotta bring somebody. Right. I think the first example of this was. Penn State an Iowa both lose last week, and they both drop five or more spots. And they're both still in the ranking six three losses. I mean isn't normal. So I think it's a good point that it just this is a very unusual year. And rob Mullins mentioned this last year last week with us on the podcast that it is just the bottom ten to fifteen are brutal. And we knew it was going to be this week. And it probably will be the rest of your. I do wonder though, guys. There are a lot of this on Tuesday. Peter a lot of these group of five teams with great records to any more of them. Get in. No one Fresno state is in there. You see them UAB could be nine in one after this weekend. Do they throw some of these teams enters it just so weak? They're compensation that they don't do it. I think metrically Fresno state is probably undervalued even at twenty three. I would I would put Utah state in there. But again, I mean strike the schedule people doubt him. I I don't even know how many of these players that the committee could name honestly like Utah whose Utah state's quarterback. Let's do a quiz in the committee room. Does anyone know let's I just I do wonder about that. I don't want to disparage them. But but at some point you gotta give Auburn Washington there. Twenty four and twenty five switch some helmets and see what happens. And I think if anything does the idea that I take from this or the the exercise of looking at these group of five teams, it's time for a group of five playoff like again, if we're gonna see this for UCF to sit there and be at twelve and into have these teams if you're a group of five why don't you just have your own playoff and just say? We wanna be invited to the big boys. And listen that wouldn't preclude you from or exclude you from saying, hey, I couldn't be in the college football playoff team was indeed eligible, but itself point the group of five needs to come together or not the group of five, but the gang of five the gang. Oh, five to come together and says all right if the big boys aren't going to let us play. Let's go create our own little playoff, and we have their own own way. Listen, we've got eighty seven bowls right now. What's going to kill us to see, you know, buffalo play UCF and all these other teams and have another playoff. Listen, more more television more opportunity to watch college football. It just just put the best to group of five teams. I don't make the plan put them in a bowl game. And you know, maybe maybe that's the way to go with all that being said we got to get to the most important part of the show. That's Phil Steele. But but to get through that we need to fill in the blanks. Era. Good. I do want to mention here that. The top seven of the AP poll. This is from Feliks Stanford. Stephen podcasts are all favorites. Twelve or more points. The top six teams are all favorites of fourteen or more points. So let's start with this for both. You guys Peter you lead us off the top sixteen most likely to lose this weekend is, but there's something weird about this Auburn Georgia game and Georgia fans are going to hate me because I continue to they already hate you. They already hate me. Right. So I'm not it's not as if I'm kissing up to them. Because again, I just say I think that Georgia's still win that game. Our that's the one that I circle because the thing that Auburn has really struggled with again this year is that offense of line, and they have not been able to protect your it's them at. All right. Well, what's the one little knockabout Georgia defense this year is that I think they have what ten sacks the tiger season. They. Have not been able to pressure the quarterback. So if there's ever one little advantage that Auburn offense of line is going to have when they're banged up, and frankly, not very good against a top six opponent. It's going to be against Georgia's Pash right now. Maybe they found something kind of rallied behind Gus malzahn their comfort behind victory against Texas AM. I for me, I think now with Alan green coming out the director saying listen gusts going to be back next year. If I'm Gus I'm just throwing birds everybody and go let's go like we got nothing to lose here. I'm coming back. I got my contract extension. Stop playing. Let's let's be aggressive. Nothing helps your job security like throwing birds too. Redbird? What do you got here this weekend? Someone's leaking gift right now. Yes. So I tend to go with today because their quarterback situation. But I think they're still going to Florida state and selfishly I'd like it to be clubs be at the game and chestnut hill and wanna see a compelling game. But I'm actually gonna go bedlam. And the only reason why is that this is the type of game that might Gundy has pulled out of his but in the past. And I think I think there you go back to the twenty fourteen guys where Gundy's status as coach was very much uncertain. And they go into Norman, I think with tyreek hill and company and they pull off a big upset. So maybe I'll be wrong in Oklahoma wouldn't going away on the state's been one of the weirder teams in the country this year, but it's a rivalry game. Everything's on the line for. Oh, you, and I could see Gundy in the pokes going in there and making it interesting. Picked I'd picked Oklahoma state as well. I think I would lean more Notre Dame now because of the injury because Florida state has some talent, but it's hard to quantify just bedlam and how much this means. I know it's enorm-, and that's the downside. But for the last six in this series have been decided by ten points a few. We're going to be down there over there. I should say for college game day on the radio side grad everage, Trevor manager myself, we're we're hoping we don't see a repeat of twenty fifteen when Oklahoma wanted in Stillwater by thirty five point at the blank is the second best team in the. By the way. No one said Rutgers for your first question forgotten about. You know, not not because I'm sucking up. But I do think it's the it's Josh macrey Syracuse, you know, now, I can be proven wrong this week against Boston College or with Boston College going against Clemson. But if Syracuse is the only team that's really made Clemson other than AM sweated out that the only team in the that has challenged at Clemson tiger team. So I know that BBC's got it terrific running back and AJ Dylan. Hopefully, he's able to go this week. They're pretty good along the line of scrimmage, but somebody told me earlier today, they have some issues in terms of pass coverage. And we know the Clemson kind of expose that where Syracuse, you know, they got some issues on defense. But man, they could score. And I I'm gonna go with them as the number two team in the conference, go twenty seconds of pop here because we got a bunch to go Peter the future for TCU can best be described as predictably unpredictable, right? I mean, look at this two thousand three they go eleven into the next year five and six bounced back in five eleven and one k twenty thousand. Eighteen four and eight bounceback and fourteen to twelve and one than eleven to then six and seven then they bounce back to eleven three then five and seven probably this year. I mean, that's that's the one thing about Gary Patterson is that even when he does absolutely fall apart at the seams. Guess what they find a year or two later that they're really good. So by this means, I guess this means that they're probably going to be a big twelve title contender in in twenty nineteen based on the predictable unpredictability of their other program every other year that the team to beat at West Virginia. Noon eastern coming up on Saturday, by the way, Texas and Texas Tech this weekend ten years since the crab tree catch. So that was that was awesome. It's wanna see. I love the picture of Chris Fowler on the sidelines. Going shopping there. Adam Penn State has had a blank season. Yeah. Yeah. Disappointing. I'm one of the people that was pumping them up before the year with trace McSorley? I thought that people were overlooking Penn State and to follow up third really good season. And they have not been the same team since the second half against Ohio State, very disappointing performance as we all can agree last week against Michigan. So I think when when you set a standard, and you won the big ten recently, and you go into your six games. Do you have a senior quarterback? This is a disappointing season right now at six three Peter. This is kind of from the Feliks Stanford. Steve they mentioned this. I'll use it as a fill in the blank, the number of players that the college football playoff committee could name from Fresno state is maybe Marcus mcnary quarterback or Mary up that that would be. I mean, listen, Fresno state team is not like a guy. That's like they're unbelievable in every every facet of it. I mean, listen I had to start googling up a little bit before. Because I haven't watched that much bulldog football. And that's not say, that's right. They play really good solid defense, and they have but. Again, there is bias in the bias comes into the power five teams. I do it. You probably do it at home listening to you. The the playoff committee doesn't as well, Marcus, Marion Ronnie rivers Keyshawn, by the way, Michael Walker D line. Yeah. Google it. All folks, you can kind some names Boise state Fresno state Friday, ten fifteen pm eastern ESPN two this run of twenty games without allowing more than thirty points and a game longest active streak in the nation. Adam when it comes to divisions in college football. I think we need to. Abolish all of them. I am not a fan of. Do you like crappy championship cames -gratulations poor schedule rotation? Congratulations partout. I I got into this a little bit on on Twitter over the weekend. I don't care that Oklahoma and West Virginia we're going to be playing back to back weeks because that's compelling championship game at my alma mater is right now very well. Positioned to get into the big ten championship game. It'll be fun. I'll be able to hang out with people in Indianapolis. But that's gonna be a crappy game. Like who who needs to see that? I wanna see those championship games matter if the committee's making such a big deal about data points, and that's thirteen game and Notre Dame plays one less. So that's why they get left out. So so so you play. Rather see your leap you'd rather see LSU Alabama again, then LSU or than Alabama Georgia. So you're saying it, but if Georgia second, then that's what I wanna see I wanna see I don't wanna see Missouri and fricken Alabama in the SEC championship game or a crappy Florida's that had no business being there. Just because they're in the right division. And here's using the SEC their schedule. Overall rotation is brutal because nobody plays anybody divisions. So I just have a whole podcast about why the divisions are bad in the schedule is bad. But as a whole, I I don't like it. I mean, look at the Pac twelve south the champion could be under five hundred team going against Washington state who wants to see let me ask you this Adam. What would it be in the Pac twelve if we didn't have divisions? This year. It would probably be repeated the apple Cup or that's a great one. The whole be something. I know. But I'm saying it would be that much better than what we have this. You say with the ACC. That's unusually bad year. I mean, that's where that's where you have not just a horrible division in the south. But you just have a horrible overall. You know, why they liked again? I think they like ABC's a perfect example. How many how many garbage championship games they had? I name name a memorable ACC championship game. There's your guest. That's why I'm not. I'm not gonna lie. I honestly think to a certain extent the conferences like that. Because it doesn't cause create chaos because guess what if West Virginia and Oklahoma split these last two games big twelve boom, you're done. You're not playing in the college football player with the conferences one. What we want? They're the ones who make the we wools. No, no, that's fine. But like, I'm saying you're asking me what I think. Right. That's why garbage my whole argument. You've heard over on this show for years. My thing is what is best for the fans. What is most compelling and those championship games often than not are not compelling. I'll tell you what you think a fourteen playoff gets exclusive. How about just the top teams in each league? Getting exclusive will I mean, you it's Michigan Ohio state every year? It's Georgia Alabama every year. It's I know I'm just saying I'm a capitalist myself. So I'm kind of contradicting my own self belief. But I think if we ever put a bow on this if we ever get to an eighteen playoff and make these cues automatic qualifiers one hundred percent on board with you get the top two in there and make that part of a sixteen team playoff where it's an eighteen playoff. But those are quarterfinals with you. I think that that would be that would be good. If they're accuse Peter it may not have worked out this year. But blanks should be the most out domestic fan base of team that will not make a bowl game. I mean, there's no doubt that is Louisville. Right. Because it can't get any worse like his now, you're gonna get your finally gonna to get Bobby Pacino out of there. And I kind of said that as a joke, but honestly Louisville. They're like don't be kind of bad just be really bad. Like have this thing explodes that what you have to fire. Put your you know, and you have to take out a loan to do it. Actually, I'm gonna say ole miss. Obviously because they don't match in the west. The only reason why I say that is because I think with the cloud that was under ole miss football and them not going to bowl game. The last two years. There's a lot of people that would have checked out on that program that would have gone three and nine or four and eight and I think that that they have done that looks done a really good job of keeping that program together. And now that the unofficial visits half is done. I think that they can look forward to it. Now does that mean that they can compete for an SEC title? I don't know. I just know that they got to be optimistic about what happened over the last two years. How bad that could have been. The obvious answer is Nebraska. Yeah. I could see that. I mean fair. I mean, just because of the division you play in the hype in the hope and the Adrian Martinez there. Let's go to the big ten the big ten west champion. We'll be blink. I've seen them choke it away over the course of my twenty years sociation, but it would take something special for for northwestern not to make it just because they've won the right game. This is not Fitzgerald's best team. It's not, but they beat Purdue they beat Wisconsin. And they have those tiebreakers, and if they can beat Iowa this weekend, and they beat Nebraska, there's just no way to make it. So I it's probably the winner of the northwestern Iowa game. But northwestern still having a major advantage, even if they lose. Yeah. Northwestern it's gotta drop to three to two Hiwa. Minnesota Illinois has happened before. Peter Washington state has a blank chance of making the college football about the same chance that Paul finebaum was going to be the anchor at the big ten network. Great. I'll talk with Dave Ramsey can switch with the. Yes. Yes. Happen, right? I remember those fun. Rumors. All right. Listen, unique chaos. Chaos chaos. You need Notre Dame to lose you need. Michigan state both to lose before they go into their their game. Oklahoma and West Virginia would have to split again. Listen, I am all for any time that I can get more Mike Leach on a press conference on fort. However, it just you know, we talk about the having this week out a cupcake schedule well at Washington state had not such a cupcake beyond cupcake like tofu kale cupcake to start off the season with San Jose State and eastern Washington. Then maybe they would have had a better chance that they are sitting in right now, you mentioned Mike Leach, Mike Leach, some interesting thoughts about live mascots ralphie their Colorado. He got here Jackson, their mascot is just standing. I mean them and Mike the tiger by far the best. I mean, I mean Butch it'd be a Butch is a better. Person symbol all thing. I'll go with that. Okay. But as far as I mean, I think interest me there said Matt that was that was awesome to hear Washington state goes to Colorado this week, Mike Leach is going to continue to talk as we debate. This I love rambling ones goes on for forty five minutes every once in a while, we'll be doing extra points, and he'll be on the best live mascot in college football. Adam is both lots. That's. Hello. Ralphie let Mike answer. Although I did spend some Cutie with diva this year that was pretty cool to be Viva's little pen there on a hot night in in Austin Bebo, just sits around hoops. Georgia BULLDOGS, taking thank you. So brow fee? Ralphie? Is is the answer. How about this one? This last one this stuff. Oh, yeah. He does. He's awesome. The stuffed mascot you'd most like to see as a live one. Go me, the western Kentucky. Whistle. Oh, sorry. To the podcast. Give me the hilltop. Like that. Just seems like this weird. Like, I'm tripping on something that Mike Leach gave me when we were on like some like Indian tent in in like a reservation somewhere. Like, I I would wanna see the hilltop big red being in live. What do you don't realize? Small small small buffalo. Okay. Mike, stop dispatching boulevard material. They're trying to work here. Trying to work here about this. I got one for you big Al give me an elephant. Oh, yeah. Elephant. One of those weddings? This is grace Joe. Yeah. I mean, this is. Down off eight crown like a like a like a one of those. He writes, the snout down a slide. Sake that Davo. Like, the Georgia BULLDOGS Georgia bone Aung is alive. What sippy the kangaroo would be great for Akron auto view, orange alive. Orch? I think would be interesting to see somebody have a koala. I don't know do that. I think somebody what if what if was badger and the goalie gopher and Bucky badger, actually real and they would fight for the acts every year that everybody entertaining. What about the tree at Stanford straight on the wizard of Oz? Like an actual smiling angry threes. Pretty soon. You can't see that falcon just left. I think he's talking about air force. Thank you, Mike. That's also alive. Much more to get to Phil Steele. It's going to join us. And I think it's a safe bet that we will also hear a little bit more from Mike Leach as as we continue to go. But I it's obvious that made to measure suits, fit better. Compared to generic off. The wreck suits Indochino is North America's leading made to measure menswear company. They make suits and shirts to your exact measurements for an unparalleled fit and comfort guys. Love the option to personalise the details, including your lapel lining pockets buttons and writing your own monogram, here's how it works you. Visit a stylus at our showroom and have them. Take your measurements. Personally or measure at home yourself and shop online at Indochino dot com. Choose your fabric inside and out shoes. 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Matt how about yourself do an excellent want to ask you about Notre Dame and Florida stay quickly. I know it's not one of the games you have a heavy lean on. But with the book injury out against FSU, the number at the time of this recording is already tumbled a couple of numbers maybe from seventeen to sixteen seventeen to sixteen in some spots. How would you approach this? Is there a target number? You would look at to to jump on Notre Dame. Yeah. I think I think it will continue to go down a little bit. But now that it's under seventeen I like the Irish, and it's one of my favorite things. I call it. The injury system player goes out three things happened number one the line moves which it did. Number two, the rest of the players on the team wanna show that hey, we're not just one player were an entire team. And in this case, Nick quality starter coming back in in win. Bush takes over the spot. Third thing is the opponents seems to let down and I don't think that will happen. But we haven't really seen Florida state be up for any game. So despite the injury defect align has moved. And I think they have a quality backup. I would still lean with the Irish get them while it's under seventeen stay under seventeen. We won't include the Notre Dame game. There's one of your leads. But let's get to some of your official picks the ones you're hot on Clemson at Boston College this number opened around seventeen. Now, it's up to nearly three full touchdowns an extra points here with about twenty. What do you think here? Yeah. I definitely like the home underdog in this one. What happened last week was all the big favorites? One sixteen in the country. They went four one against the spread and the cover was by double digits naturally LSU lost. But they were under dog. But all the big favorites were winners last week. And when that happens the price gets inflated, and we saw this one opened up about seventeen eighteen it's boost up to twenty one surprise me gets the Twenty-one by game time. But I liked this Boston College team they're not chopped liver this year, the only two losses while he's not one hundred percent got a little banged up. Again last week. They have the offense of line that can neutralize great Clemson defense of line. And that's going to help them at home at night. Remember the last time they had all night game. They played Miami at Florida and beat them twenty seven to fourteen in pretty much control that game and clump since only had one night road game all year this year and early in the season at Texas AM, and they struggle to get out of there with a two point win out gain by eighty eight yards in that game. Now, I know Trevor Lawrence has taken over QB is doing well, but you should warmer temperatures. It's going to be rather chilly and just for this one. At night and Boston College keeps it close. So I'm taking the underdog plus the big points in this one Phil I love that. Because I'll be at the game. And hoping for something Belling, they're down the stretch. But let's talk about a game a little northwest of where you are. And he's slanting Michigan, Ohio state and Michigan state state. Hasn't looked great recently. But only one loss and Michigan state trying to pull off the upset after getting embarrassed last year in Columbus. How do you see this one shaking out his Spartan stadium? Yeah. I think it's who to be a highly entertaining game. Michigan state at home dangerous as a home dog and struggling to run the football year. Michigan state doesn't allow anybody to run the football giving up just seventy two yards per game on the ground point five yards per carry. So you could make a case for Michigan state with this team that is you clearly mentioned. They have not played well all season. I mean all season game first-half best effort of the entire year. Got the talent there, and you kinda think one of these days that light bulbs gonna come on. They're gonna play a level, and they have to the only have one loss as you mentioned still in the playoff mix and Haskins should be able to attack. Michigan state secondary. That's this year. It's not your typical. Michigan state secondary. On the flipside. Aucoin states defense has been big plays. A lot of big play guys in Michigan state offense and the worke still banged up. It may be Lombardi that gets the start. But neither one and overwhelming QB missing their top wide receiver with injury. I think when you take a look at this game I like to go on the road and get the win. It's not going to be a blow out, but I got the buckeyes by about seven. So I'm laying three and a half an hour. Interesting. The other game that we talked about earlier in the podcasts. Phil was Georgia Auburn and kind of an inch. Intriguing matchup which Georgia coming off the big win. And punching they're ticket to Atlanta for the SEC championship game. If I'm not mistaken, I think Georgia is a two touchdown favor of fourteen point favorite against Auburn. What do you see in that one? Yeah. Normally I want to go against the team that's coming in a letdown spot like this. But I actually think Georgia between the hedges is going to be a decent play in this one. And the reason goes to Auburn Auburn just be Texas. But heck, I watch came in complete control infected finish with a twenty eight to thirteen I down against Auburn. Auburn managed nineteen yards rushing point six yards per carry. And that's been a common theme since Karen Johnson got injured late last year, Georgia UCF, and then all their games this year. Only once they four point three yards per carry that was against this crummy defense. About them. Now the last couple of weeks is that they're young inexperienced defense. Fishy. A linebacker which had been giving up yards on the ground is getting better. They held Kentucky to two point four yards per carry. Georgia's defense continue to mature as season goes on auburn's at the best one run the ball. I don't see them running the football here on the flip side of the coin. Lauber got defensive players. Georgia's offense has really been in their averaging over two hundred twenty three yards per game. Five point two yards per carry. Auburn gave up two hundred one yards on the ground last week to Texas. So I think you're just a better team between the hedges and with Auburn struggling to run the football. They're often struggles not a great slate here. Phil Steele's let's go to bedlam. That's where I'll be with game day radio. Oklahoma state had Oklahoma hoping that the the spread is not an indication of how the quality this game. But Oklahoma's the three touchdown favourite here. What do you see? Yeah. Normally you'd like to go with the large underdog in a rivalry game like this. But I I like the Sooners coming off a disappointing effort against Texas Tech started out last week Murray toss couple interceptions tech out a couple of very short touchdown drives put Oklahoma whole and the sooner struggled most of the game just to come out with the five point win. But it did have six hundred eighty three yards. Again, you look at their last time they played at home. They beat Kansas state fifty one to fourteen just blew the doors off them in Oklahoma state had a very disappointing here. They lost that same case. Eighteen by nineteen. They lost a Texas Tech by twenty four four big twelve losses. Ready? The one game. They did win was at home. They circle the wagons. It was Texas Texas was without their starting quarterbacks in the first quarter and Oklahoma state at two hundred fifty yards in the first quarter. Then just two hundred fifty dollars the rest of the game hung on for three point win. But I don't think Oklahoma state can match scores with this potent Oklahoma team, and I look for the Sooners off a close win last week back big even in bedlam. I'm laying the three scores in this one. Let's go out to the west coast. Tammi. Great. Thanks. At least you get to see the scenery. Phil. Let's go out to the west coast and a game that has a much smaller spread. But again, it's important to both teams trying to get bull. Eligible cow at USC the Trojans just a five point favorite against Cal team. I'm sure you'll address this. It has one of the better defense in the country. Yeah, they do. In fact, Cal on the season holding opponents to ninety eight yards per game below their season average. That's number fifteen in the country. They just Washington ten Washington state the nineteen so they're playing great defense this year promised been consistency on offense. You know? They've got the quarterback Brandon mcelwain who could make the big place. But he turns over as much as he makes the big plays to eight ratio this year or go at the safe guy. Chase carver's. But with him the offense doesn't move a lot. So it's sort of been a pick your poison with the quarterbacks for Cal. Now, interestingly with USC their season's done, you think it's all written off. They don't have a chance. But if the Oregon ducks play good football down the stretch USC could very well. Win the Pac twelve south Oregon's plan Utah this week victory. Their opens the door for USC. Amazon state has got that same team next week on the road in autzen and USC finishes with Cal and UCLA. If we're. Knocks off those teams USC all of a sudden in the Pac twelve south title game. And I like the way that Trojans ran the football last week granted which Oregon state but three hundred thirty two yards seven point five yards per carry said where is doing a great job running back JT Daniels now getting into form as the season goes on. I think see him improve and US's got a pretty good defense as well. Holding opponents to forty one yards per game below their season average lost one game at home in his career there. It's nineteen and one now and the spreads rather cheap at five. I like USC minus the five in one film. My last question for you. It's a hypothetical one. And I know that guys like you love hypothetical questions. So you can't really give an inch for. But I'm going to ask it anyway. What a team consisting of Alabama's backups led by a healthy. Jalen hurts could they win the Pac twelve? This year. I would say about this now. If if they had a play Washington Honda road and played in the same division. It might might be tough. But I would say the possibility exists. Yes, Alabama's second and third string compete a lot of things in the country. And it really is a down year for the Pac twelve question. Peter. All right. So we've got him with Oklahoma covering the number BC covering the twenty as an underdog USC covering the number against Cal Georgia covering that number Ohio State as well as the favourite, and he's got Alabama's backups winning the Pac twelve thank you, Phil. We appreciate it potentially winning the Pac twelve very good. Thank you, sir. Have a great weekend. Hey, a lot of fun as always guys have a great weekend. Joy the games marry to me nerds up. I'm Brad Edwards along with Seth Walder. And this is when we usually take you through the highest playoff impact games plural of the weekend. But look it's a light slate. There aren't that many contending? Teams still remaining. So let's just keep it with the highest impact game singular. Seth what do you have a team? That's been struggling Hieaux state on the road at Michigan state. I think it's easy to imagine. The buckeyes stumbling here and the obviously can't afford to one more loss, and they're out of this thing. Yeah. Two losses is almost always going to get you. I think with the playoff, especially when one of the two is by a lot cited margin, which Ohio state's loss to Purdue was of they can tell you that from experience having been a two loss team with one lopsided loss last year. Let's look at a game that I was kinda surprised is not among the top three four highest playoff impact this week. It's not too far outside the top three. And I guess the reasons not in there because it's not expected to be close by F B I, nor by Vegas for that matter, and that's Clemson at BC. But I think we do need to at least consider this which is that two years in a row, Clemson as approximately three touch. Down favourite, which is what they are. This weekend has lost a conference game last year. It was to Syracuse the year before that it was to pit. And if Clemson were to lose to BC BC actually takes control of the Atlantic Division in when control it's fate the rest of the way by winning out. So there is that possibility they Clemson could finish with one loss and not be the ACC champion not even get into that championship game. So here's a scenario for you. Seth we have not. I haven't heard this one yet have all the hypotheticals had been thrown out there since the rankings. What would happen? If Clemson is an eleven one team that is not the ACC champion, how likely are they according to playoff predictors. You still get into the playoff? We would give them a fifty seven percent chance to make the playoff in that scenario. The reason why it's that high is that if Clemson were to lose there's there's no ACC champion that's like taking their spot effectively. So yeah, they would be a rough spot because. Would need. Yeah. Let's assume Alabama gets in. Let's assume a big ten team gets in. And Notre Dame gets in then Clemson needs probably a two loss big twelve champ. And probably ideally for them a two loss Washington state team too. But that's not asking that much. And it's also not that they absolutely need that there's still a chance Clemson could beat out a one loss. Big twelve. I'm not sure how frequently in the simulations that happens, but it's not outside the realm of possibility. I think it's unlikely, but I agree that there would be some conversation, especially at that team where West Virginia. But basically what it boils down to is that Clemson losing this game. And if they especially if they don't win the division. It means that they need help from somewhere else. I don't think that a team of this caliber wants to be in that position at all. Yeah. They don't. All right. Let's go into another hypothetical. We went through a few on the podcast yesterday. Matt Schick was laying out for us. I usually don't pay much attention when he's talking even though I was answering the questions, I don't think he. I went through this one. So let's hit it which is that Georgia beats Alabama in the SEC championship game. And Notre Dame drops a game somewhere the rest of the way. So this point we have one undefeated team. And that's Clemson. I think we could all agree that Georgia would get in that scenario. So those two teams are probably end. Then there two spots left for a bunch of other one loss teams. What's the playoff predictor thing? Right. So you're talking about Notre Dame at eleven one Alabama non champ twelve and one in Michigan. They tend champ twelve and one in let's say, Oklahoma, twelve and one day twelve champ. And that's plan for nature likes Michigan's chances the best as that conference champion with a reasonably tough schedule. And then it's really close after that. But we lean Alabama as the fourth team to get in. That's really an eye test. They sorta would put alabam over the top the team most likely thinks would be out would be Notre Dame. And that's. Interesting because we have yet we've talked various times last few weeks could Notre Dame survive a loss. And it always depends on what everyone else around them has done. But where we sit at this moment, it seems more likely than not that Notre Dame wouldn't get the extra help they need to overcome a law. So I usually play into disagree with that a little bit just in general if you give Notre Dame a loss it's about a two and three shot for them to get in. It's yo it's this particular scenario where Alabama loses. That's that's. Yes. So all right. So maybe Notre Dame cancer vibe a loss. They just don't want. The combination of them losing an Alabama losing a game. Because then you're looking at them, you know, being compared to an Alabama team, which is also not a conference champion. But I think we would all say Alabama has passed the eye test much better. The Notre Dame has this season. Seth balder Brad Edwards. We've been talking nerdy. G you now back to the conversation. I think smoking always affected my daily life because I was a closet smoker. It really sort of controlled my entire day. My boss is the one that recommended jewel. So I decided to give it a try. You don't get any of the odor of smoking. There's no ash all over your car. I would say give it a try the flavor and satisfaction of smoking without the mess of cigarette. Asher lingering odor. Switch to Joel checkup. J U L dot com slash sports. If you don't smoke Vate don't start warning. This product contains nicotine nicotine is addictive chemical hashtag. Walk on time now to answer your questions, hashtag walkouts on Twitter. Josh welcome back. Thank you guys. I appreciate it. It's a very active day for preferred. Walk ons. Drew Allen is one of those. He's at the drew abides, and Matt he wants to know which teams in the bottom half of their conference. Are you buying future stock in in which conference leaders? Are you looking to sell on? Let's go top half who I'm selling cell top half. They're having a great year. Also Aubert in the west. I just don't think considering where they are Gallup AM's trending up. LSU has more talent Mississippi State, even I think in years to come. We'll be better Joe Moorhead. I'll sell Kentucky finishing ten and two is a possibility. And that's the max program can do margin for error, slim. Florida's on the rise and the SEC east. I will bottom half of the league's divisions alibi UCLA chip Kelly door tops Robinson. I'll buy. Miami. And the ACC coastal got a couple of good recruiting class just because recruiting I think they'll be able to recruit I do quarterbacks going to be a question number eight class last year like top twenty this year. I think you know, the talent some points to win out. Right. I will buy who else. How about Cal and the Pac twelve north also sell Washington state, by the way organs coming back Washington. We'll have to be better. Also by Nebraska hard for me to not watch them and not pegged them as the favorite to win. The big ten west next next year. Toughest games are at home in two thousand nineteen reportedly what are you buying in cholera, you holding you buying or selling your post talk? I would voi-. What would I do with that? That team can't sell stock in ralphie though. Yeah. Still there is still back in talking about. Sure. Yeah. I think he is a one time. We're playing. Hours air forces. I went to Swiss I would buy thank you for the whistle. I would buy speaking of which we gotta stop here. I would buy Colorado simply because Montas should be back and Chenault should be back. Yeah. They're still fairly young. It's spots. I'll buy 'em top half of the the division extra fair enough. And then we got the double header from a preferred walk on coach Ben watt through. Adam I one for you, Ben while wants to know how likely is Mike Loxley to be a hot candidate in the upcoming coaching carousel given Alabama's offense of success this season. Right. Well, mike. Luckily is in the ultimate kingmaker position. Anyone who's in this spot goes on to become a head coach or against case in NFL offense coordinator. So even though Mike lots -ly his head coaching record is three and thirty one including a to twenty six stint at New Mexico in two and a half years his work with two and the Alabama offense is likely to get noticed by certain schools. Now, there is an obvious connection for Mike lots to one of the few openings this year. And that's the university of Maryland where he had been interim head coach in two thousand fifteen he has been there two separate stints as an assistant coach would Maryland higher. Mike lots. There's already some buzz building among the booster. Maryland because he's such a great recruiter in that area. There's obviously some baggage as well. Would they be willing to go that route for Loxley? But I think if it's not Maryland, it could be elsewhere, especially with some of the group of five openings that are expected, you know, there's just not that many over all the power five. But I think the fact that you're in Alabama and that you're the offense coordinator, and that you're setting records and the track record of that position is one that the guys go on and pretty much name the type of job they want next in for him. Certainly a head coaching position. That was a micro coaching question. From Ben wa let's go to a macro coaching question from the coach then wanted for you Peter coach, Ben wa says, how active do you anticipate this year's coaching carousel to be overall busier or quieter than a year ago safer few situations. It seems like less coaches are on the proverbial hot seat this year than at this time in two thousand seventeen Coachman. Y I wonder if he's friends would guest on from beauty. I mean, there's no doubt that when you look at all the coaching changes, especially hell, just in the. Scoring to quiet down a lot. I mean, the obviously the one that that picks up is just because of the way it's flamed out Bobby between, but then there's the course of whether or not there will be able to even afford the buyout. If they wanted to get out of Patry knows deal in Florida state is willa Taggart's not going anywhere. I mean, obviously, maybe Rutgers in with Chris ash, and then re wrote Randy Edsel over at uconn being probably the top two Larry for doors. Interesting because how bad that season has gone. There are still people that kind of seem to say, hey, give fidora like all the the media day stuff kind of blew over about CT and concussions and while their struggle. Little bit doesn't seem like there'd be that hot of a fire form. So yeah, I think this'll probably be sorry, Adam because this is always probably one of our most clicked articles all year long when we start talking about hot hot seats and coaching rumor mill I think this might be the most boring one we've had in probably the last three or four years. I'm sure. Web developers over at ESPN dot com can not be happy about that. Definitely not good questions today. By Ben Juan more of you guys can chip in them. Just make sure you use the hashtag walkouts the extra point. One last shot here. Peter get your get your foot reading here, we go. All right. I woke up this morning on a serious note. And check Twitter like normally do in. Unfortunately, there were just again, it was five thousand different horrible, political tweets and news tweets, and I'm thinking, you know, what? Mike, goodness, social media, so negative, what's. So so often, and I started thinking about like, you know, what? How I just tried to be a little bit better as a human being how about just give out compliments, and it's not that hard right like compliments feel good to give absolutely feel great to perceive. So I wanna take my time for extra point today in give a couple of compliments to either things or players or coaches or programs that I normally rip on I would like to start with saying I would like to congratulate Jim Harbaugh because I think the Michigan wolverines are playing incredible football. I think he's a good job of quieting all of his buzz in its headline mongering that he's done over the last couple years, and he's really bet down the hatches and got this team to focus defense looks incredible shape. Patterson, they looked like they know how to use them and I normally rip into Harbaugh for bevy differ reasons. I would like to give Jim Harbaugh a compliment. Same thing about Brian Kelly two years ago. I'm sitting there going listen Brian Kelly starting to complain about L, they're not very good. Because of this reason that. Reason this and other and I ripped Ryan Kelly because I thought, hey, this is a guy making excuse will here they are undefeated. And I think they do make a college football playoff earth. So those are just two complements me the negative SEC guy would like to give just in the idea guys that we this moment on campus conversations. Let me just recap this breaking news Jim Harbaugh. Best coach in college football. According to Peter verts. Well, let's yes. Yes. Backups would win the Pac twelve don't put words of mouth. And by goodness. Do not make that to be the tweet that that previews this podcast or else. I will not retreat Bill. He loves Peter. Burns loves Jim Harbaugh. That's the Twitter social link that we're going to put up later today. And what he got just loves them as little bit more than Brian Kelly. So play enough Peters walk on question. I wanted to talk a little bit about, you know, the Koji carousel and just the fact that it it could be very very light this year. But there are several coaches that from talking to industry sources, I believe need to at least win one game down the stretch to secure their futures. And they'll be one of those coaches, I'll just preview this that'll ask that to close years for the first one is clay Helton at USC clay Helton has a massive guarantee that still owed to him. I think USC would like to bring him back. He won the Pac twelve last year. However, if they go Owen three. Against Cal at UCLA, which would be the real stinger. And then Notre Dame at home to finish five and seven that could be it for clay Helton at USC, you mentioned Larry fedora. I agree with you, Peter. I think he is a guy that despite a second consecutive really bad year, and that's hard to survive at any power five school. I think there's still some sentiment to bring him back. I think they like him there. But if they lose to Duke, and they lose specific, especially to western Carolina. And then if they lose big NC state in the last game may just be too much for them to go forward. One. That's been interesting because I think he's actually had a good season. But I hear is not completely out of the woods yet is cliff. Kingsbury? They've got Texas. They've got at Kansas state, and then they've got Baylor in neutral site. So that's a pretty favorable closing schedule for tech. If he's he gets one gets to he is fine. But if they go on three you're going to be interesting for Texas Tech and their administration. Rutgers. I think is the one where fishing schedules Michigan Penn State Michigan state hard to expect they win. But. At least more competitive performances like they've had as of late and here, Matt I hate to say what what? I have heard increased buzz about Mike MacIntyre, Colorado the thousand sixteen national coach of the year. They went five and seven last year. They had the the issue with the system coach that. I administration, and if if they go three they have Washington state at home you tied home without their quarterback at cow going from five zero to five and seven it could be it for Mike MacIntyre bolder. Wow. Okay. So we would have to have a emergency podcast much like what Bob stoops step down? If that were to happen. Josh we'd get the bat phone out, and we would have right. Absolutely. Oh, sarcasm there from you. Thank you. Josh. Let's let's wrap this up of two things here one. It is week eleven interested. I'm interested to see some new faces in college football. Not new teams popping up into the playoff conversational that I'm talking about new players week eleven means the teams that will not make it to the respective coverage championship games have just three regular season games left. Plus plus a game for those that have a bowl game opportunity. That's four games. That means time to play some freshmen or players that haven't played yet this year. Remember that new rule you can play up to four games and not use a season of eligibility. So coaches have a chance to see what they have and plan for the future by giving a young player a series or two, and it's it is a play by play man's worst nightmare because now you have to prepare for everybody who hasn't played as you're getting ready for some of these games. But think about some quarterbacks you mentioned Miami. They got Jaren Williams there who is a freshman quarterback who. Maybe he gets series or two for Miami. What about Oklahoma state Spencer Sanders dual threat out of debt and Texas? His mother tweeted last month that she wants his son to get shot might as well throw them out there in the next few weeks here, especially if it gets out of hand, maybe this weekend. What about Auburn and Joey Gatewood at quarterback does he get a package or something here not burn a season of eligibility. So just giving players shot. Also element of surprise guys. You haven't seen on film not just quarterbacks to other players as well. So that's something to keep an eye on here down the stretch with some of these teams and do wanna call your kitchen to the fact that November eleven so this Sunday will be the twenty fifth year anniversary of college game based first show Notre Dame in Florida state. Notre Dame does play Florida state on Saturday and looking forward to I think game days probably going to have some sort of peace about that first roadshow and everything that went into it. I hope they do. But just think about how far game day has come at twenty five years ago. Game day this week was gearing up for its first road show, and it was inside Notre Dame. And it wasn't that huge of a deal and think about where it's where it's become and how big it has become for college football salute. 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"Brownies ala Ant"

"Previously on the Tony Kornheiser show. I don't want to speak for Michael and easy. Right. I believe in the wine business, champagne wine booze business Wednesday of goring. Oh, sure. Biggest day. And I think today will be big tomorrow. Saturdays are always big. I would think the day before a holiday in the blood. In the blood doubts here is there a spinner outside of cheese advertising black Friday sale, like the guy the haircut places barbershop sunshine. Out. Tony corners are show is on. Now. We're live at chatter this Monday morning change. It's raining as we in Washington. Get ready to crash through the barrier of the wettest year in Washington DC history in terms of water water, which we will do by the end of the month this month with a full month to go worth corner of Jennifer street northwest, and Wisconsin avenue northwest in friendship heights inside the district line. Let me advertise if you things Tori's book podcast chatter on books is tonight at five thirty five thirty please come please, buy food and drink and Gary Williams coaches show with Chris Nakae and usually at Tapscott and Gordon Austin. That's right. They follow that show, and you can stay and you can listen to that show and watch that show then watch Monday night football. Tennessee, right. You go greatest draw in the world. He planned your Monday night for you. Yeah. So there you go. You have something to do. The rain will end I think by afternoon rush hour. Let me think let me just say this. This is from Wolfgang E G E egg or age or no if it's Turkish, it's eh gay. Okay. It's wolf going. Yes. That Wolfgang from Dayton longtime from way back before the internet show where the conversation the brakes were the show within the show, you breakfast club, banter, and quality guest. Give me laughter in the ever valuable lessons for life. I bring tribute killer brownies from the Dharthi lane market, which would satisfy your sweet tooth. And by all means eat at Cilicia PS three D ratchet from Lowe's would have been handy to a couple of Dayton locals, Wilbur Norval, right? When making judgments on the fly as it were I opened up because I'd had them here for the weekend. I opened up didn't know what was in the tin, Gary wasn't you describe what you saw. So this is by no means I mean, we thank wolf gun tremend-. Tremendously. So if I were him, I would want to know this. It's my fault for leaving them here over the weekend. Maybe maybe it was even prior to that because they have been opened but the ten and the brownies looked dump from us ships compromise was crawling with live ants. Yeah. Yeah. So did you eat them? They were delicious, really good. So people out there. What I think of them. I didn't even say does anybody want. I threw them out. Back. And I said a couple of folks in the crowd looks sorta hungry. I said, I'm not only not the kind of people who would eat these throw them. Through without saying, no bound. So I had I think we can talk a little bit about the NFL yesterday. Although for me yesterday's NFL was anti-climactic compared to Thursday's NFL would in which every game. I had some interest in and this yesterday, very little I guess the excuse me. I guess the most important game was the Packers. Now appearing done. Yes. They had a chance. It looks like Mike McCarthy will will go Rogers. How old is Rogers thirty five thirty six maybe it for our in Rogers because they have to retool that whole deal. They had a chance. Well, and they had a turnover on a punt late in the game. And they get the ball back. They chance I will say this Tony and not to push back too hard on your always reactionary takes to the NFL. If you look at the schedule, Jill the shed chills. Thank you Greenman, which I'm trying to pull up on success. Than anybody. It is very conceivable. You do have to win them. All it is conceivable that in two weeks both. These teams are six and one now Minnesota would have the tiebreak. But Minnesota's next two games are like someone me out here. It's the patriots patriots and saints or something very very Green Bay has home cardinals home falcons at biz. That's a tough one at jets home lions. Okay. Could win all they could win. Minnesota Minnesota's shed jewel at at patriots hard at Seahawks. Partnered dolphins at home at the lions and bears at home. I mean, it's not easy. That's that's in any case cousins the great Kirk cousins had no picks any three touchdowns. That was what you pay seventy five million dollars guaranteed for whatever. Making the eagles have made the NFC east. Interesting by finally winning a game barely over giant. Don't look good. They don't look good. But they have their at home against the Redskins next Sunday that could cause everybody to hide at that point. Although I think that yeah. Everybody would be tied because the Cowboys have the Cowboys saints. Gary chicken, this aren't the Redskins currently in the final wildcard. Yes. They are. So they have a double double. And that's because of the carrying the lands, right? Carolina in Green Bay losers. The Redskins are now in the final wildcard amazing. Denver beat the Steelers in one of the late game. Ben Rothlisberger threw a terrible perception he. They thrown about six interceptions in the last two weeks. They all the time. Connor is good. I think he threw fifty six times John like four sixty. I mean, he's just they are slinging on every play. So that is that's what happened essentially in the NFL. It wasn't that exciting. My my kid about noon yesterday said dad listened to this lady game. He read me, the one o'clock, which was nothing worst slate of games you wouldn't ever want to hear. But ended up being pretty exciting. I mean, at least a the fourth quarter and end of those well something like the colts game gets too exciting because Viteri who still kicking and going to the hall of forty. There are three kickers who are going to the hall of fame. Jankowski going to the whole thing. Vinnie Terry's going, I think counties probably going to of them one game yesterday. So yeah, the two older guys one game. So we can get to that. But I would state for the record. And we'll talk at great length with wilpon about this that the most exciting thing that happened in sports over the weekend chill and tiger. It was Michigan Ohio state. Ohio State shredded Michigan that that game. Every time Michigan attempted to be close higher state. It's Eliah state played a game the way Alabama plays a game. Which is if you think you're going to get within seven to ten year. Not we're gonna take the ball down in score in a minute. And it's going to be fourteen and seventeen again. That's what it's going to be. And you say that about Alabama because Ella bama's the best team in the country. I mean, if you watched Alabama not close. Pretty good team. They're not a great team. They're pretty good team Alabama's dominant team when we talk about Alabama. But what Ojo state did? And this is an I was I have a very good friend. Jeff Leonardo whose Ohio State grad and loves Ohio State, and we have agreed not to talk about Arben Meyer. Who I have I lo- there been Meyer for a variety of reasons. Eminently punishable don't talk about that we agree that he's a great coach. And that's why he has his job at an institution of higher learning that should have had more stature and belief in itself than to keep urban Meyer. But let's leave that aside for seven Ohio State was playing at home where Michigan and this is not just about Jim Harbaugh. Michigan has now lost to Ohio State fourteen of the last fifteen times plays stuff. So when people say, this is the greatest rivalry in sports. No, it isn't because they've lost fourteen. Fifteen. They have not won in Columbus since the year two thousand how can stay be the underdog a one loss team. And I know they haven't looked good and Michigan has, but I don't know how you can be the underdog with that track record. And in fact, they they put sixty two on Michigan sixty two points on what was going into that game. These single best defense in the country, sixty to do what you watched everybody watched. What did you think of that? It was never terribly in doubt, the bios laugh Twitter back kickoff offer staff. Yeah. But I mean just just Johnson does get carried away. I do love. Saying of the Ohio State quarterback. He's got to be at that ceremony in New York. Oh, you've got to be there to watch to get that war. I mean to to count it for sixteen five throwing in one rush against all. We're not against Austin P. Maybe it was herbstreet did herbstreet through the Notre Dame game. They're all night came. Okay. And he may have said this. I forget away. Congratulations. Notre Dame are good for Poland. Poland. They did it. And by the way, they ain't Alabama. Is. But I think it was herbstreet who said this varying in talking actually about the Michigan game. But maybe he was relating to Notre Dame. He said, you know. College football has changed. I don't any. He was talking about two and Alabama. And he said, I don't think you can just win with defense anymore. When you talk about like winning the whole thing, it's sort of gone the NFL way. Now where you have to have an offense. I mean, look at twain Haskins did in that game throwing from me and one hundred yards and six touchdowns against what was purportedly defense. He's local he's from Potomac real, oh, he went to bullet. He's he's local. He's here. He's kit. Yeah. Can I can I just make one more recommendation for an amazing what I my favorite game of the weekend was the AM L at the stakes were in his. But that was but those games are fine. They're fine. They're not saying, right. This thing was what the game colossal with the game. Remind me of was win. Jim tressel would take Ohio State who had done very well in the big ten, and it was a dumb team would take the national championship game, and they would play urban Meyer and floor, and they would lose and they would. But don't just lose. They would lose fifty. We've totally redo the way, and they have that was conference dominance thing. Felt like yeah, that's very disappointed in the Michigan quarterback. Wrestle also. Yeah. Have they didn't seem to they said. Well, let's keep handing it off here. And this this the hurt. Maybe I still thought Harbaugh had this mystique that like approach job would open up in the bag Harbaugh may leave Michigan. But like is the Harpo mystique gone. They weren't they still very good rumblings for the colts. Prior to this. Laurie is left on his Holtz there were rumblings about that. Eleven games. Now. Good now right now, they're pretty good. I just I mean, they the big fear at Michigan was well, we'll never be able to keep him. And now when I don't I don't want to. I mean this season they still tend to create right moment. But but what I would and the other loss for them was to Notre Dame. Yes. These are qualified, but you all lost you pay that guy to Ohio State. Now, this is not the college football polls that are out. Now are not the playoff home tomorrow night. But I was very surprised that Oklahoma was a head of Ohio State. Oklahoma has no defense at all. But they have the best offense in the country. Maybe maybe they do. They don't play anybody fast put up sixty two against Michigan. That was that stands up. Do you think they'll be in the playoffs? I guess it depends. I'll say this to you that if Georgia beats Alabama close Georgia, neither Ohio State or Oklahoma are getting it. Right. Not getting in at that point. Because no matter what. Right. I mean, unless they lose loss if they lose to Georgia would be better loss, then Oklahoma's laws or Ojo states loss. The body of their work would be significantly better. They would be shut out who will clemes. No one more. They have to play in an ACC championship game. They may just be awarded the championship. Because who were they going to play? I mean, they played hit. Well, so that's. What Saturday night? So that's in that came in Atlanta. The SEC game in Atlanta, hit needs Larry FitzGerald. List on the schedule your home game for pets. Field game twenty-fourth that stuns me pits. Okay. But they just lost this week. They lost the Miami. I mean, they're not. Let's get out of here. We will get Michael wilbon when we return, I am Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser show. This is a good Ed to read it's short. It's to the point at an involves people. 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This is from Nick Bolen writes, I just wanted to send you my single filling up balloons released from being newly signed to this awesome record label called exquisite noise records. Thank you for your time. And I hope you enjoy we played Nick bone before. Have we not? Yes. Yes. This is stage name we we also known as Nick rowan's. Okay. But but it goes as Nikko. Yes. That's fine. Yes. Michael wilbon joins us now. And we're going to talk a lot about college football in the first thing I'm going to do is offer wilpon, congratulations as northwestern wins. Again. I guess that's rivalry week. I guess beating Illinois, you know, they beat them in every single conceivable way, including by saying Chicago's big ten team, which I'm sure frost, Illinois. But you you beat them your record in the big ten in the last two years is tremendous. It's tremendous. Tony we have now. I guess I think as we've won fourteen of our last fifteen big ten games. Maybe. Track. Now, you haven't had to play Ohio State and Penn State much. But no, no we haven't. But we also haven't gotten Maryland and Rutgers enough that's as either right? But no, you point looked to first who've won fifteen of sixteen big ten games. I mean, I think you know, right now, you know, we could have is gonna be tough to have it. But we have our third ten win season in the last four years and the only the only teams in the big ten is notable are Ohio State, Michigan Penn State. It's it's it's an unbelievably great record if you hadn't law, and I won't even single out just Akron. If you had beaten, either Akron or Duke, you'd be ranked ten eleven or twelve right now instead of twenty you would be we would lead in both those games. Yeah. Every game. Tony accepts have noted day by double did what Notre Dame double digits, and you know, we won seven of our last eight games. The one loss was a competitive loss to Notre Dame, which is a number three team tests. These great losses on them. Illinois. Yeah. And it reminds me of the Michigan thing is Michigan Ohio state, obviously, it's not anywhere near those two schools in terms of performance and level of talent recruiting all the program that you measure, but we'd beaten Illinois or yes, that's rivalry week. And that's all rival we'd be Illinois fourteen of fifteen input ball. Wow. That that's a mastery that just ought not go down. Well, there fourteen fifteen to school with I don't know in Siri at least over over sometime. Like, I mean, what a fraction of your football resources in terms of recruiting all that now. It's not and now, it's hurting we, you know, be turned it. But yes, so that that game had some significance to us and national consequence. So they have beaten they're beaten this year. They beaten Purdue beat Ohio State. They beat Iowa. You'd be dia would in new. I was a good time. You beat Nebraska Nebraska has got a bad record. But a beating the Brassica is a big deal to me, given what Nebraska been you beat Michigan state at Michigan all these games, and you reward is you get a higher stay here which the other day, and I know you will agree with this. That was. Stunning. How they shredded Michigan. How count for that? Tony people wanna make this a Jim Harbaugh story. But the same thing Ohio State is beaten Michigan fourteen of fifty s there's no rivalry. That's not Jim Harbaugh thing that the Michigan problem it. This is not Joe Harbaugh problem exclusively even though people wanna frame, it is that that's you talking about look. How can you think of firing a guy who you know, who is you know, his record at one ten streaking fire him? That's but Tony are so frosted there so frosted Michigan. Wow. That they're owned by their rival. And that is it's still a rivalry. But they're owned by the team. You know? I mean Boesch Impac talk about Rowley over in your grave. I couldn't I could not take my eyes off that game. I was just I mean, I had watched Ohio State. I don't say they should have been beat by Maryland. But they could have been beat by Maryland. I want them earlier in the year. I think against Indiana, we go. What is this? They just don't look good at in always care. Tony. Wow. They see look Labatt. That was my hope I I had a couple of scouts tell me. Hey, don't be worried about as worried about. Next week as you are because you don't know if Ohio State will care, and they don't care about look they didn't care about Purdue is great coaches. He is he could not get them to care enough. They did not care about Maryland, green coaches. He is they did not care. He couldn't get them to care. The problem. This week is one scenario where Ohio State won't care and on counting on it. If at four o'clock eastern. Georgia goes out and beats Alabama. That will render Ohio State done. They can't get in the playoffs. And they will take the field at eight o'clock eastern knowing they cannot get in. And it's possible. They just will not care 'cause they do this. Tony, they're great. He's a break. Coach we've seen instances where or how stages looks like a dog why they don't care is there any jeopardy for the quality of your bowl game, depending on how much you lose by. If you lose big. Yeah. I guess so I, you know, I know more about this than I probably should because I'm involved in it up to my neck is, you know. But I, you know, I certainly think that if state, you know, wins big doesn't matter, but it does spec down the line. I think Michigan will go to the Rose Bowl. Yeah. And I think Penn State will voted Citrus Bowl. I I'd love to trust in that scenario, not going southern California. So Hello Southern Cal. Anyway in playing the holiday bowl, Oregon. I I would love to I would love that the other people who would too. But I don't know if beatdown if goes into if Alabama wins that game knocking Georgia out. Yes. Two losses out Ohio State. Notre homa. Yes. Puts on a more dazzling show in their conference. Championship game. It comes down to that. So I would say that your brains out. They could beat our brains out in in certain scenarios. Yeah. I would say that picking I was surprised to see in the and these are not the not the ranking poll for the playoff, but the people, and and the coaches poll, I was surprised to see Oklahoma ahead of Ohio State based just on the Michigan game when you get up from Michigan to that degree and that badly that is just incident press shot it is. And if look Tony if Ohio does that back to back. We certainly capable of capable of annoying teams. They don't respect. Urban Meyer about the kids. Obviously if they have as much as they could do that this crush, they crush us. You know that that would that would speak to the committee. I think it would if late November, you know, in December one you come out and you go back to back sixty two thirty nine or whatever it is. They're capable of doing to us or anybody else. That that's how they get back in the playoffs. Have you seen the spread yet for that game? We take a guess, I got it. I'm gonna say ten to twelve out. I'm gonna say fourteen fourteen fourteen cents and that's a neutral site. Right. That's indianapolis. Yes. I think it will be. I mean, I think all the people big people who have tickets unaffiliated root for us. And I think we'll have. I mean, we got we got half student body. I think we'll have twenty five to thirty thousand people. We have thirty thousand people. Per people. Love America rooting for west. Yeah. So I probably didn't get a chance because you played in the afternoon game. You probably didn't get a chance to see Alabama. My. Alabama is great. Great all year. The one thing I got right. Is that Alabama's the only truly great team out there where I didn't get it. Right yet. -cause? Clemson may be that. I don't I Notre Dame is impressive. They're impressive. They're not on that. They're not even Notre Dame's not on that level yet to me they'd have to look. And so what we're seeing the Georgia wins. And you been the rankings will be Clemson one zooming Pete every yes in the ACC play. Pitt. Yes. Just look it up. Yeah. Charlotte. So they'll be you know, there'll be one if Alabama school down. That's right today would be to. I don't think. So I didn't know data war. I I that before I think George would to Alabama three and Notre Dame four. That's what I thought. I hope not that that to me that doesn't reflect well the problem with doing that. Then you've got Georgia Alabama back to back. Homemake Alabama to Georgia three Alabama for that. That would be just improper, okay? No. That would be something that people. I mean, we get to see Notre Dame if they're too you get to see him at least against Georgia or Alabama. So my can I talked about this last night. We would we were chatting, and this is on the heels of Philip rivers at one point completing twenty five or twenty six and I watched I watched the one that he missed and it got pressure, and he just sort of dumped it off. And and Philip rivers. The this is the draft class Philip rivers ally. Manning Ben Rothlisberger they've been around a long time. They've been mostly healthy. They've been very competitive. Two of them have to Super Bowl wins Rothlisberger and manning, and I want you to look at them and over the course of their careers because rivers doesn't have that. But he probably has a higher percentage of completions. And maybe a better touchdown to interception ratio. I don't know that you like it's a lot of interceptions rank them for me if you can see for me. Rothe's Pirker manning rivers rivers. He's played great offense. Tony, and they haven't gotten it done. They have not been the best player often on eighteen with talent. That's right. And they failed big they failed miserably in some cases. They did the team that that routinely wins November and loss games in November December that they should have one with good teams. He's been a terrific quarterback in a lot of instances. But there's some instances where they've been glaring deficiencies. I don't mean deficiencies in his his his his talent. But in terms of that team's performance if quarterbacks going to get all the credit that they gotta get some of the blame their team fails, spectacularly fails. So no, so so, you know, I know all the stuff out there about what manning hasn't done most of the seasons. Stay I don't care with men got in the playoffs. They made they won. They did twice. What you what you dream or no? No one site c. I mean, people that you rob locks the hall of fame in if I was still in that room robbers burger didn't get voted in the first year. I'd be screaming bloody murder robbers Pirka may win again. It'd be has three I just want people to shut up threes. There's only one guy doesn't get you. Lied to me. You know, I'm not like Jerry Rice who knows more about this anybody. I love Jerry Rice. I respect the Binion. As a matter of fact, sways me 'cause I know Jerry it sways me when he says, you know, e my Manning's terrific. He won these bowl games. He should be credited Super Bowls, but no, not necessarily I have to cede somewhat Jerry Rice. But again, if I was in the room, depending who else is on the ballot that year, I cast a vote likely for manning. And then rivers are not rivers is in a group with other guys like his predecessor Fouts, you know, and I guess they're few guys who never even got has gotten to AFC title game. Once maybe one time classic study. I don't know that he did. I think he's still tie. I think he's Tracy McGrady. I do I think he's Tracy McGrady buddies raising. He's having a great season. How about how about how about the fact that ally is lose had a couple of decent games in a row eve is clearly just done. He spent it's over it's a tragedy here. Here's a great. Great. Great. Here's what I don't understand. And it's the one thing I'll let you go on this one. I don't understand how Jacksonville can stay with this guy who can't play a lick thing. And I think if you're Tom Coughlin you say that you lie, man. And can you give me one year? Can you just give me that much? Without the terrible. It will find get a quarterback. Other friends sizes did go draft a quarterback trade poor guy that no no, no you don't eat. Tony manning is done. I didn't have the giants are done. The giants have arguably the two best players their position on offense possible. Well, I don't think Barkley can touch girly yet. But he's surly. Curly weeds. We'll be talking about. Yeah. He's. Top three running back. I would say so I agree with that receiver who's the top five. He be one. He could could be one. He could his weapons he is. It's over for him Jacksonville come on. No. All right. So I but having said that you know, many people still beating a game or teammate win. But the bears have him in in giant stadium next week. I'd like to see that defense devour. Here's gonna there's actually good. They're actually good. They're really good team. Not a great team. Good team team. Yeah. I'll see you later. Michael wilbon, boys and girls, he'll be on the PTI show live in studio this afternoon. So what we say live in studio. Yeah. And we will come back. We will have news when we return, I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. This is the quip. Ed, I have I have options I'm going to take action to I haven't really looked at. When you think of the perfect gift, you probably don't think of an electric toothbrush. 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But he didn't sing the song. His brother sings this song. I assume it's his brother Jason shell. That's what we played his stuff before he performs under the name of my cousin the emperor, which is a very that. Is a great very cool, man. The song is titled didn't wanna let you down. And it's off Jason's recently released full length album, the terrible truth, Michael people like Dan Rachelle want to send in his brother's music with permission from the brother and anybody who who sends us original music. How do they do it? Send you see music by emailing it to jingles at Tony Kornheiser, show dot com. How was your time in South Carolina stressful address because of the baby boy Buzi just a lot of people a lot of dinners and trying to be the one of the manages the grilling attempts were all right to use the big green egg. I did he's the big green egg. Right. No, my in laws are wonderful. But when you go to somebody else's house for close to week and you're in a gated community. You just need to get out. So Gary half to get your own house last night, have quite dinner and go to bed early for you. You win for a week five days. Oh my God. That's far too long. I don't know days. He played you got to play how much how many we played golf every day that nation of my continued support of this family. Courses. Did you play just to the two? Okay. Like, like, Trump golf everyday. Yeah. Why's that there? It's not why I was making the comparison Michael in Donald Trump signs presidental thanksgiving. It's the one thing that I will say about Donald Trump if I had to if I had the eyesight one thing where I go. I just don't get this one at all. And there's hundreds of candidates for that. But the fact that he was critical that forty five is critical forty four for playing golf. What do you do? Can. I read you quote. Yeah. This is from twenty seventeen you can guess who said it the twenty sixteen Donald. I'm not. I'm not going to have time to go golfing. Believe me, believe me, believe me. Time. He's working on. The course I'm completely in favor of residence vacation, we're probably kitchen. Believe job believe play go play for a few hours Nigel. You have news. I do need Mr Tony. And actually, you know, I've got some exciting news about salty the seacat. Oh, you're known as Simon the seacat is your book. Yes. Today on cyber Monday. It is available in paperback. You can purchase this. Now. I'm in the seacat on Amazon store exactly searching to love cats to love this book. On prime rib. Kids will love. Yes. Yes. So many pages is it forty two page, and it's essentially a child's book that's about ages. Six to ten is. Says it was written by someone whose name I don't reckon. How are the reviews for its Liz what they're awesome get five stars? By the way, you can buy it for zero dollars on kindle the deal. I'm still not that interested. How does that work? How can get it for zero? On kindle, unlimited Kimball unlimited. I'm kindle unlimited. I read a lot varying this one where the from Greg greatest book abroad about a British seacat in China two thousand eighteen literally peace. It's great. So these people all appear to be related to, you know, not the not I like this one. It's five stars reset. The poured not salting the seacat Simon the seacat. And it's amazing really do this from be Danna. If you only read one book about a seafaring feline this year make it this one hundred percent. Okay. What my book doesn't have any five time that much Zona with the NFL. We covered a bunch of games. One game. You want to talk about one player in particular? Was Baltimore Ravens in quarterback. Lamar jackson. So Lamar Jackson. He had rushed for about twenty six times the week before. And John Harbaugh said look he's a quarterback. Okay. He's a quarterback. Taking heat of the fact the Lamar Jackson could get separated from the rest of his body at any point. He rushed eleven times for seventy one yards. He did not do much passing it all he may have had one touchdown pass picks touch not a high percentage, but they want again Baltimore won. Again. They beat the Oakland Raiders opened came three thousand miles to play a one o'clock game, which is hard on a California team, especially when you stink bad team at the moment. So two questions come up one is where will Joe flacco be next year will he'd take Blake Bortles as place in Jacksonville. Will he be on the market? And where will John Harbaugh b because at the moment, they have think I think they have the sixth playoff position in the AFC Baltimore's six and five I think they're ahead of Indianapolis also six and five and if they make the play, well, how do you? I know what Jason has said. I know that it is been accepted that John Harbaugh will come to an amicable parting of the ways with Steve shoddy and the Baltimore Ravens. But what if they make the playoffs? What if Lamar Jackson? I mean, I think they're balls in the air show in Baltimore more than other people think they are. And I think that Joe flacco, and I would never Joe flacco has a great playoff record. Somebody wanna look that up. We can't so great playoff record. And Joe flacco got hurt this year. They won, you know, they want some games early with lack. I just Gary what happens there? What happens? I don't see how you Jetta. Than that guy. I mean, first of all let's put Lamar Jackson in perspective here. He'd beat a raiders team, which lace points out is is not much think playing right doing that west to east one o'clock start thing. I mean, you can easily check that one and the beating up on the Bengals looks a lot less impressive than it. Did when they were five and four now that they're five and six and just got destroyed at home by the Browns, branded a resurgent. Yes, they're not bad. But that was a lay down that was like a cost Marvin Lewis job finally type of type of loss for them. So I'm not sure that you're ready to ride. Lamar Jackson all the way to and through the playoffs. Let's see he's at the falcons and he's at the chiefs at tough, right? So and they finish at chargers and Browns at home. I mean, there's there only done with the Steelers, aren't they? Yes, they are. So it so the division is probably out of play for them. But I man, you know, whenever we talk about this here. I would say. It's easy to fight our guy 'cause you're angry. But you better have a solution. I don't see how far about takes his team to the playoffs. You say forget it. We're better off with flacco in the playoffs. Ten and five which is the great best behind Rothlisberger. Brady fifty six point six completion percentage. Three thousand two hundred twenty three passing yards twenty five touchdowns to ten interception. What do you want and in twenty twelve twenty thirteen eleven TD's airline tease in the plasma? Pretty remarkable great play of quarterback. He's he's he's eighty three. And this. He has had some doll those losses have been dog gay. And he had that one run that was there was crazy and largely and places chat stats. I mean, you said what does he ten and five hundred five and he's throwing twenty five touchdowns and eleven we're in that. Yeah. Three game spanner for three and fifty five in his career. Pretty. Good. What else? Do we have any other NFL games? The patriots the number. Okay. What do you see the fight at all? Did you see the the edge buffalo? I've seen it. Replayed. In those kind of cool guys Bill has imploded this year. Yes. That there are two coaches out there whose jobs, I believe are in real jeopardy. Two maybe three I believe Jacksonville and Tampa Bay those jobs earn cutter there in real jeopardy. Clearly Green Bay. They're gonna move on from Mike McCarthy, and it looks to me like the jets will probably move on. But the others. I don't know what else is out there. Although you probably have to consider getting rid of the coach at Carolina Brown. Yeah. I mean that consider talented row. Got another questionable for down going for call. Yeah. It's a college football. Mr Tony one of the interesting games from the weekend UCF wins again. But they lose this quarterback MacKenzie. Mill they're not getting into the playoffs. This you know, they want, but it sound because this guy they won't even tell you really what happened Tuesday, they say it's sort of traumatic injury to see the same. I don't want to see is it similar Zack Miller injure. If you saw that last year, and the was the was it latte who was the kid from South Carolina. I want to say to it's. And it's it's like a Gordon Hayward. Paul George tight where you're like. Well, that's not at all. How your leg is supposed to. Okay. So I just want to point something out that Carville carbon was two in one on the week Carville had Ohio State and couldn't get to that quickly enough. He really wanted the saints who covered the saints the saints covered over Lanta, but he took the under just hold on a second. He took the under on LSU. To see that one coming. Seven time as in game was forty seven and a half. They that finished second. By twenty five. It's just high scoring game in in history. Right. I am not certain from a betting standpoint. I am not certain that that the college overtime rule. Kills you on over? So late. Although that was he was on the wrong side. I mean that game was if it's called correctly somewhat argue he would argue I'm sure it's thirty one twenty four final. They gave Texas AM. Yes. Oh by the asset. My father in law and mother-in-law who aggies we're at that game in sending us updates throughout that, I mean it. And that is a ten game. This that it was that game was like five hours and five minutes beginning to end the Michigan Ohio state game, which no overtime was like four hours twenty five minutes long, really. Really? Person one other game. I thought you might be interested in the Yukon huskies lose to temple fifty seven seven head coach Randy Edsel now has a distinct on of coaching team that gave up the most yards per game. The most points and points per game of any major college football team and NCWA history. Wow, they're nitpicking. Yes. I am. And you wanna talk about the wizards. They don't care. You don't care about the way. I wanna talk about Ricky Jay Ricky, Jay Mellanby trails. Ricky Jay love died yesterday or the day before for those of you who don't know who Ricky Jay is Ricky Jay is the greatest sleight of hand card magician that anybody has ever seen I paid money to. Magician? Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I paid money to go see him in downtown and Washington DC at arena stage. I I love magic. He is not like, David Copperfield, David Blaine. He doesn't encase himself in a chunk of ice hanging above. He doesn't do that. He stands right in front of you right in front of you. And he does card magic. And coin magic and stuff like that. He is in every sleight of hand, he is in every single David Mamat movie. He's always in there like best friends. I watched him do things that they are astonishing. I know their tricks. I've no idea how they're done. I'm just I'm going to read to you a little from the appreciation two things. I'm gonna read the first two paragraphs. And I'm going to read a trick that he did. And this is by Harrison Smith. This is in the Washington Post today while other magicians breathes, fire sawed women half amid entire buildings disappear. Ricky Jay perform remarkable feats using little more than the pads of his fingers. These were strictly speaking nothing more than tricks allusions slice of ham performed by master magician. But to those who witnessed Mr. j up close, and I had parenthetically which I did and was happy to pay for it. Turning over a row of red be playing cards to reveal an unexpected hand or flinging them across the room like wild projectiles where they pierced the skin of watermelon. I watched that was hit. And I think I saw that Tim or if you're talking about twenty years ago at arena that was pierced skin criminal throw cards with such velocity them in the in the rhino or flinging them across the room, like wild projectiles. Magic tricks where nothing less than works of art head-scratching wondering Dusing chievements that made him perhaps the most gifted sleight of hand artists the live as journalists Mark singer wrote in a nineteen Ninety-three article for the New Yorker, I'm going to turn inside now and review just a blow away thing. He. Seemed most at home performing his deceptions live in front of small rapturous audiences in theaters or at private parties. Once well performing a New Year's Eve event in Los Angeles. Mr. j was asked by guest named more to quote, do something truly amazing, unquote. According to singer's profile New Yorker, Mr. J asked him to name a card and mort settled on the three of hearts after shuffling singer wrote Jay grip, the deck in the palm of his hand and sprung it cascading all fifty two cards so that they travel the length of the table. And Mel and pelted an open wine bottle after asking more to name his card once again, Mr. j instructed the guests to look inside the bottle more discovered curled inside the neck three of these your. L continued the party broke up. I don't know. I don't know. I imagine why is not more popular this when I was a kid Copperfield. A giant star love, man. I don't care about making Tigers turned into women. Now why care? Your tricks told right in front of you car tricks. David Blaine at this point real American money to see this guy. And having was thrilled. David Blaine actually does some before. He started getting into what a really just endurance test. Principal meeting sleight of hand. That's right. But that's not big enough. Now, our culture now, it's not thinking come out do thirty minutes car appear on the roof. I don't know why one movie I would recommend is David movie is called heist. Gene Hackman is in it. And it's every day. He is so great. And there was one story. I wanted to share with you from the from that same piece on him took him about his father used to use Brill cream on his hand on his teeth. And he said once when I was ten I switched the tubes. All you need to know about my father's that after that, he breast his teeth with Brill cream and put toothpaste in his that's a guy like you. Gotta like that guy. We'll take a break. We'll come back with old guy radio. And I will talk about the tiger Phil golf match which. Watch off almost every second of I'm Tony Kornheiser. You're listening to the Tony Kornheiser show. Guy radio for the day. Tina Turner, I Turner river deep mountain high. Who do you think produced this always in investors point Bill specked, why would playing this except for the fact that it's really it's because it's teen is seventy nine birthday good for eighteen. A big hit in the United States and go heart and twenty five. I don't think. Yeah. But now, regarded as brilliant, unbelievably brilliant into Liz on this is when you ask people to find the wall of sound and this is late and Phil spector out to rear. This is the one that people talk about it because it's just it's a fantastic on releasing in your. I mean, your body moves cannot let me get to talk a little also just say yesterday that I got and I don't know how many people got this lucky yesterday in the Washington DC area. It was a stolen day to play golf lovely. It got to like sixty. I played RT Jay, and I finished. Well, I par to make money. I did I made money money money money money. Yes. I did. Thank you to Mike rush. Thank you. Joe? Paulson money money money money money. Yes. I made some money and finished. Well and had a really good time walked it. And and it was lovely. So I'm grateful grateful that opportunity. I I wanna talk about tiger and Phil. And I wanna talk at some length. I tried through a friend of mine. Steve brenner. I was able to get a VIP cold. So I was able long before you found out that the money was going to be returned. And the pay wall was down in all of that stuff that don't truly understand. I was able to sit in my house, and I was able to get it on my computer, not on my television, set, but on my computer, and I got it about twenty minutes came through about twenty minutes before the things started. So at that point there's four. Sitting around. There's Charles Barkley. There's Ben Stiller don't ask me why they're Samuel L Jackson. And there's a gambling guy named Adam left. I don't know who he is. And they were talking about the upcoming match president point. Oh, yeah. Pat perez. Yeah. No, pat. Sammy Jackson wasn't there at that point. It was Pat Perez who by the way later on in the telecast said the only things worth listening to of anybody on the telecast, which the guy two years ago that said tiger can't beat anybody. So he he has a history of invoke. Yeah. He's been vocal raise was wearing a raspberry red suit pack Peres, look like well, are you ready for your close up? Now, Mr. mill now, just while in any case the show comes on. And there's there's this interminable beginning probably lasting five minutes with fighters talking about pay per view, including. Name. No, no, no, the I know who you mean Mayweather and Oscar de LA Hoya and Mike Tyson Mike Tyson all boxers McGregor. No. They might have been one m a guy, but it wasn't Conor McGregor. The one in any case finally that end, and then the, and I will tell you that over the course of the twenty two holes in the last two or three were just chip shots from ninety five yards for them. Just chip shots. So I went to Columbia for an hour Columbia bought it would Mont. Bought it. Rehoboth bought it Chevy. Boy, I guess I guess golf clubs board makes and they got a much lower rate says it probably made it they got a much. We didn't buy it here at chatter because it was way too expensive here. But I watch probably ninety percent of it. I mean, the only thing I didn't watch. Was driving to and from Colombia Comey. Did a great thing they had order of people had one hundred and fifty people wanted to this thing. I mean, it was very very lively. And that now I will be criticized golfing audience of a certain age. Imagine there'd be a lot of fun to sit around the table and make fun of everybody going on. I will say this. I thought I thought the telecast was was awful. And I will I don't usually do this. But I Peter Jacobsen. I just didn't get it. And the very few times that tiger and Phil actually engaged on. The course they were drowned out very often by Peter Jacobs clawing was there and down Corey Darren Clarke was okay because he said as much as Peter Jacobsen, and they treated it like a golf match. This is totally wrong. And Ernie Johnson who I like very much Ernie was sort of always in sell mode talking about the match what I would have done, and I'll probably get crushed by this what I would have done. If I ran that telecast, and I do love any Johnson. I do. I would have had Charles Barkley on. The course walking with them with a microphone engaging them because they love the best part of the telecast was the back and forth between just invert Lander tweets and Charles Barkley. Justin Verlander wanna bet Barkley. He couldn't double number one and Barkley was. Great, right, Michael. And that's the power. What telecast was trying to watch the start. They very wisely. Tried to let the golfers talk for the parcel now, the single greatest part of this telecast was Phil Mickelson's, heavy breathing. Oh, he was winded at war get the hill and for the subsequent holes trying to get from green to Tiba. He was they tried to give them that space. Tiger Woods is not going to give you anything zero. He looked vacant. He was empty his building. Phil Mickelson was like your magician. He had canned lines ready, and it's fell short of that. Yes. The Barclay thing would be great. But it's what I would have the. What happened when they had those tiger divall matches fifteen years ago. There's too much dead time when you have two guys playing on a resort course where it's miles between TS in by shoot have gone out with wilbon played also and separately. And we had been fun if they wanted if they open this up to the young guys would dominate the social media coverage of this. And these guys were tweeting that it though, some of them said they wouldn't watch guys like Justin Thomas, he watched. Yes. Rory Ricky if you had those guys starting on alternate side of the course, really smart, and you had fun games between them you'd have enough content to fill that four and a half hours of going back to this gambling guy. Who who I think this is a miscalculation because what he was saying was lost on ninety percent of the audience because it was so technical. Yes. Plus one hundred eighty and these guys and then just just stop. That's why this was the testing ground to see where the money was moving after every single shot. Right. When a sport like golf gives you the. Time to what's happening. But I just think that's a very limited field. You're talking to am I wrong, Peter Jacobsen? He just talked and talked and talked. I mean, he's usually engaging. It was not engaging tiger and Phil basically stopped talking to each other after number five E N, Phil what at least talk to his brother, you could hear it. But there was very little back and forth between the two of them and to be fair. The Gulf wasn't good. There was one great moment on seventeen years chip and tiger chipped in and the others that they missed every pot. So they missed the telecast was hobbled together. And I and there was no real chemistry. And I think it was set up to fail. Just because there's not an of content for them to talk about you're right. It was a testing ground. These social media component where you had professional athletes tweeting about the match was the most I would say, the the the most successful or hung in. When you could have Charles riff off. It's Barclay was a we were promise. Side bets and we got about three or four decided on before the match started. You're coming down eighteen on a winner-take-all type of whole risk reward. I wanna see tiger getting up and Phil's face. And saying one hundred grand says you're not going to clear the water. You know, don't give me that four and a half. But I was watching my mother-in-law. And what's so great is to see different types of golfers and sports fans actually watching this nonsense, mediocre golf, and she's sitting there going I wouldn't give him that. But you know, what do you what do you do Bill? The second. Best moment was on the second time around on the made up whole that was not on when like the whole. He said, I I don't wanna win like this. Let's do it again because he had a very short putt tiger tiger fluid twice. The first time tiger was off the green. So this is you had part of the issue. I had with the Gulf as I don't think they set the course up well for made for TV golf, the greens were very fast, and we're very firm. So they couldn't actually stop it in correct bowls where they had makable putts inside twenty feet. You get. Eighteen a risk ward. Par-five where the pin is cut on the left side on top of tier Phil takes the correct safe approach. He hits a herculean shot. It rolls down to vote. No chance and barely can try to tiger gives the but tiger takes the appropriate over the flag, and his, you know, essentially struggling to get down to put the pin where they where they cut it for the short par-three in the lower right bowl. So you're tasking both players in aggressive drive and aggressive second shot and three is on the table. Let's make an eagle to didn't do that. Now with all of my criticisms, I loved it. I loved it. Because it was this is what I said the other day about interviewing Fillon tiger. I don't I can't imagine. There's nobody else out there for me. Certainly not Dustin Johnson, not even not speak. Not even Rory for me that has the star power over knee long aided period of time that tiger and Phil have and. I know that they don't like each other. Tiger doesn't like anyone. I and based on what you're saying wasn't gonna pretend like it either. Not when he's playing golf he reverts back to being Tiger Woods when he's playing golf. And if you thought, and I don't know why anybody thought this would be different that was going to be some sort of giggle fest. Does not who that's not who he is when he's playing. He has he t is this default non-human Bs plays golf, and it was it was not not only was it. Not good golf. These guys are plus six each one of them is plus six maybe they shot to under something like that. Because they took advantage of par fives. But it was not it was not particularly good with all that. I couldn't take my eyes off it. I'd watch it again. I would watch it again. And I think I may be in the minority of that. And a lot of they had to give back a lot. A lot of money was on a give this will happen again. But I I loved it. I love. Interesting mash up of a lot of things audience wise that that's what I was wondering about in terms of how it performs because in some ways it's for insider Gulf folks like you, and Michael who were gonna watch that kind of thing. But then also the way it's advertised was sort of like two big personalities, and you know, these, but then also was advertises like a gambling thing too. So it's like a mash of it's not totally clear. What you're getting the why you would put I don't know why you'd have a three man booth to talk about the golf shots, the just to go on and on about the golf, and they were reluctant by the end, they said, so, but they were reluctant to say, this is not good golf. Well, if it wasn't if it Robert Barkley was the only one who said, yes is he? Talked cats. Why Barkley should've been on the course. So did you see any number? Maybe they to you. I'm looking I don't know. How many people bought it? Yeah. Can't can't find it in the course. Right. It was just that have. Natalie Gulbis was on course. And they come the hundred people walking. Okay. Yes. Which supplies me. I thought it was going to be no it'd been reported there. But I would rather as a casual fan. I would rather they do one hole where they try to hit the trickiest shot. They like not make it just a straight up eighteen hole golf like, you know, you get hit a right? Didn't get it. Try to try to try to hit like a massive duck hook or something. I will say this to your point about these particular guys like just in Jordan. That's not I don't think it now. Maybe it's just the the age. I'm but what we've watched these guys. These guys are always watched for great quarter of a century competing against each other. Great. And to me that. But if you put it on tomorrow, I'd watch that I purchased it. I would have maybe I would have been a fool for thinking. I would get this. But I would have been watching it because I wanted to see their interaction, and what it sounds like is there. They stop talking. Yeah. They didn't talk to fill try. But Tigers, look, I think I think they agreed upon this before in saying we've an eighteen hole match. Let's keep it close for the first six or seven. I don't think either one wanted to have more than a one up lead probably right at first third. And then at the end tiger basically said I'm going to I'm going to shut down Gomo, and when he shipped in there's a twinkle in that. I he woke up any wanted to say you wanted this fill. This is what she. So it was it was for me. I would do it again. But I think I've talked to a lot of people have seen it, and they were less enthusiastic than I am. But I liked it. We'll take a break when we come back. We will do jingle Email when we return, I'm Tony Kornheiser. This is the Tony Kornheiser show. Steria comes Tony's. 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Raiders' Gruden, Brady v. Rodgers, T.O. tonight, Rose is back

Speak For Yourself with Cowherd & Whitlock

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Raiders' Gruden, Brady v. Rodgers, T.O. tonight, Rose is back

"Yourself. I'm Jason Whitlock. That's Marcellus Wiley that do coming up. We'll get into this week's matchup between Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. And if they're grows is really backed like finally back after last night fifty point game. But we start every day with a Whitlam. What you got today? Go in anticipation of tonight's raiders, forty Niners class raiders legend how long sat down for an exclusive interview with raiders head coach Jon Gruden. The interview is candidate fascinating and enlightening. How is gravitas broadcaster in Oakland hall of Famer allowed him to pro Gruden in a unique way part one of the of you will air tonight on FOX before kickoff and part two on Sundays NFL pre-game show here a couple of experts that are interesting packing. Nothing. You know, we pack in anything in. We're working as hard as we have ever worked. Someone makes a phone call to you in the middle of the night. And makes you an offer. You think helps this franchise? The raiders you make that move. I got a cell phone. Just like you and everybody else I get a lot of phone calls from people that are dying to come and play here. I'm just telling you they're dying to play for the rate is that was Chucky not Jon Gruden decorate as everybody's calling me to say radas raiders owner Mark Davis higher Jon Gruden to play the role of Chucky for two years while the team transitioned from Oakland in Las Vegas, Davis's agreed to pay nine hundred million dollars for the role of distracting attention away. From the fact Davis isn't playing it's been any real money until the move until the team moves into its new revenue generating stadium Marcellus thinks that's a horrible deal. But acting isn't a cheap profession canneries was paid one hundred twenty six million dollars for the matrix reloaded Bruce rose received one hundred and twenty million dollars for the six cents and Tom Cruise got one hundred mil. For the war of the worlds in order to earn his hundred million dollars. Goon is going to have to do far more than Reeves Willison crews grew NASA play Chucky for this season and next and then become drawn Gruden again for another eight years that's a lot of work, and it may be an impossible task. I'm not sure Gruden is is ever going to recover from this Chucky routine. This grooten Chucky experiment isn't going to have some kind of happy ending like Sybil. Remember civil it was a famous book and one thousand nine hundred seventy six miniseries on NBC. Civil was a grown woman who had multiple personalities, including a childlike girl named Peggy who scared the hell out of civil at the end of the minister series, a psychiatrist hypnotize, a civil and introduces her to Peggy somehow hanging civil hug and it cures. Simple and simple goes on to live normal life when the raiders finally moved to Las Vegas. I. Guarantee. Your Mark Davis plans on hypnotized and Gruden take it into a strip club massage faller and introducing him to Chucky. But it's going to be too late. This whole Chucky character is ruining grooms reputation inside locker rooms Chucky works on TV. But it's a clown show with players sitting on TV and one and six and bragging about how everybody wants to play for the raiders. That's Chris Berman and Frank Kelly Indo, stick not the stick of a head football. Coach Gruden has bought the Chucky hype players won't are joining the desk now or FOX NFL analyst, Greg Jennings. Former NFL star Shawn Merriman, and of course, Marcellus will start with you here. Grooten right now is more stick than head football coach. I just got to get this out the way, you're not going to be the only one here having fun, right? Who didn't go up one to get on this tests right here. All right. We All Burma some money. I don't know what being real and answering this question this dude, Jon Gruden man. His entertainment value is coming at a cost which is going to lose this locker room the benefit of losing this locker room is that he's intentionally trying to get rid of this same locker room. So guess what that collegiate experience of every four years. Hey, man. This message doesn't get old because you guys are going. Whether you go to the next level, you go somewhere else, whatever it may be it won't become white noise. So John grooten doing it this way being Chucky on the freeway all the way to Las Vegas will work. But let's talk about what John grooten didn't expect. He didn't expect to come out to boot that ten million dollars a year air conditioned booth and then get on a team only coach from two one win. This was not as expected, but he's now in a place where he's going back to old reliable and human nature for all of us when we get caught up in a crunch. The by we all go to old reliable, and what is over liable to him. This is the comedian who comes out with a second album and the first one was oh my God. Did you say how funny wasn't funny, and then he gets up there and his second tour around he starts to tell them jokes and jokes funny. And he starts looking at eight row and people ain't laughing, and if people start leaving, and you know, what he goes back to oh material is over to your Jon Gruden Dow right as and all that Chucky stuff. So I stand what he's doing. And I think it will have a day when it's going to be winning football. But just not yet. We're watching this thing crash and burn like right in front of us. You're one of the things that always said about Gruden longtime ago if you actually need them Tampa Bay guys down is it he's not real. He's not trustworthy would. He's doing right now in front of us is almost like you say it's almost comedy because we've already seen this before we knew that. This was going to have a heated note that they want to start off six, but we knew in the players knew because if you go back to them Tampa Bay teams when they say, hey, you gotta you gotta wash he'll tell you one thing do something else. And this is not just a few players. This is a lot of players will tell you the same thing. This was was bad about it. They're already traded away. All this future stuff, and it traded away and getting guys in there. I'm not gonna say they're tanking. But they are these guys still have to show up every single day to practice knowing that I might not be a part of this organization in the future. That were travel just like we all talked and lock room that were travels to other guys. Hey, man, you gotta you gotta watch the new guys. Now the rookies in all the new players at east. I haven't coming into that locker room already put on notice. That's one thing he has to worry about it. I don't care if he's going to sell tickets or not I don't care if he's going to make this transition players talk. We talk to each other and that were gets out to a younger rookie, oh new guy walk into that locker room that. Hey, man, you gotta watch this guy because he will tell you this and he'll go right behind your back and go back to the owner and say this that's where the problem is going to be absolutely right. That's the problem players talk. And when I listened to Jon Gruden he sounds like a salesman in in the dealerships. Call a used car salesman pre-owned uses all or Email say you'll city even in an old civic even with a new car. And then you go months later after having that car, and you go to the service department, and you wonder why your wills are worn down men. This. These cars are terrible with this. And this you never. Hear any of that out front. All these guys Jordy Nelson all these guys he brought on expecting to do something special this year. They were lied to. They didn't expect an going through something like this. And quite frankly, I don't think John grooten expected this. I think he thought it was going to be a lot different a lot more who I am. And what I do is going to be enough, and it don't cut it anymore and truth is everything when you in the locker room. I don't wanna hear all that phony stuff. I don't want to when we watched we looking at it like get that outta here in the locker room. You think these guys aren't saying the same thing, we're your stop both the agony. Like if you guys were still active players because y'all sound a real comfortable here. I want to hear that plan for that. If this same guy in this stick is in Vegas. Are you not signing up for that? I know I am if I'm a free agent. If I'm out there balling, you know, why who doesn't want to be the toast of the town thing. That's the only thing. That's. The only difference with the bit. We'll we'll we'll love Vegas. I'm there. More than almost everybody was shot. I got everybody. But they does not cover up losing never. Oh, we won't. We don't know that answer because they never had a football team too. They may just be happy embracing football king of all sports in their town and Mr. Green Bay, and Mr. buffalo like me signing people don't take this wrong way. We used to big five or you know, dick sporting goods ain't come down on Monday. We got didn't for. Dollars. Autographs who go to this? And then Wales of flying in providence S, and I'm in that back room casino. Son is something over whole different animal and grew knows that he doesn't have to sell it thing. He has to sell an Oakland. Once it gets the Vegas. He just has to be you gotta win regardless. You have to make people meant even hard. This game is no one is winning. And it's still a fine thing people when they talking about tanking, right? Like, you guys gonna think they're tanking for it's hard to take football. Because it's too much of a physically physical demanding sport in basketball. Some other sports maybe contained because it's not as hard on your body. If you decide to tackle football you coming into practice, and you don't feel like being there. You don't feel like planning the game you risk injury. Because that got crossing you. He don't care. What the I wanted six six and one he'll kill what you also. If you go that attitude that you're that you're okay with tanking. A you're not gonna put one hundred percent into this game you risk injury. So is different than anything else. You can't take a family or me. I agree with some of what you say. Oh, we're talk back. I think that will entice a lot of young guys to come over there and say, you know, what I'll put up with this because they think they have so much more career left. But when you talk about selling guys guys in that locker room already know what he's done. So they're gonna come to. And they're going to talk to all these other guys that are trying to come. And then it's going to be problematic. Because now you're talking about in my willing to come over here because of contract because your contract we clearly see it means nothing we can rip that up and throw it out, but money talk. Yeah. That'd be real about this other -tunities the money get taken away. Let me ask how many times you pulled over a young player when a young guy came to league. And you see in a coast teaching him with certain way, will Santa certain thing to me you pulled him over to the saddest thing. I heard what he's just say. Watch out for this though. Yeah. Yeah. Always I've said that before hours because either you've heard something about a coach how they operate how they do things behind the same. You'll just trying to take care of that you guys if you bring a guy in there. Six seven eight year vet this already got word got some kind of background so to now he operates you going to take that rookie and say, hey, man, I know he just said it's watch out. I would say be careful of saying you can't take an NFL because you can. But it's a different motivation. You can put players into worst position possible you can construct the roster that is not to succeed. And then that's tanking to us. We don't go out there and run through the wall, regardless of where you can put the wrong says wrong system AM hit my tied in every play to the point where we throw interceptions and not my wide receiver and then trade him because he's not getting productive Marcellus. My point is you know, what it's like to work wake up on a Monday or Tuesday after planning NFL game. And it takes you two or three days to recover, and it if you laying in Las Vegas or Green Bay, Wisconsin. The only thing that justifies that is the hope we build towards a championship or some some sort of success that justifies this. And if the word is out like man, Jon Gruden can't really. Help us win. It's more stick. It's about this money. And it's about this character and role. He's played and you can't trust him, man. These guys got enough money. They can go visit Vegas enough. True that they don't need to be lived in. Again, particularly any player is Mary his wife. His significant other is I they not really fill in Vegas you. That's a whole different sales job at home. And there's a lot of successful Mary players believe they not all single running while my merit. Merit. Woodlock and Wiley time for some big stories. Greg Jimmy's, and Sean Maher men are back. Let's start New England. We'll see a battle of two of the best quarterbacks ever this Sunday with Tom Brady and the patriots playing host to Aaron Rodgers. And the Packers Brady has been singing Rogers praises all week and Rodgers responded in kind aknowledging. The Brady's five titles. Probably make him the goat yesterday. Bill Belichick was as which QB was tougher to face of never played against home Brady. So I'm glad he's our quarterback. He's a great quarterback. He's won a lot of games for us. Don't believe he'll want a lot more. And we want a lot of games because I've never played against Tom Brady. So. Different context. I'll say playing against Aaron Rodgers very very difficult. You know, he's he's as good as anybody that faced. We faced a lot of good ones through the years. And that's not to take anything away from anybody else. I'm just saying the guy's a great player. Listen, let's let's have a discussion about Brady and Rogers because I think clearly Rogers, right? The five titles make this question somewhat mute. So the question would be is Bill Belichick responsible for the difference between Tom Brady and Aaron Rodgers. I say no, I say he plays a role. But I don't say he's the primary reason I think Roger's has more talent. And I think sometimes talent can be occurs. I think the fact that Brady's and underdog story is six round pick not as talent head to work harder. Head to be more focus has a different spirit and energy and leadership style around him. I think that also separates Brady from Aaron Rodgers. I say no as well. One very unfair to all parties involved, especially Bill check and Brady because it's impossible to separate the two. Remember who they both were as you said a six. Rounder who couldn't even run the forty at the combines also those videos men didn't look like that guy was going to translate to anything and he became Tom Brady the goat and Belichick before Tom Brady is starting quarterback five of his first six seasons losing season as a head coach he was a losing head coach and Tom Brady was a six round draft choice, and they became great at the same time. So you can't separate one from the other in that respect. I look at this and say simply air Rogers has more tangible 's more measurable talent. And that's the way that we traditionally look at any prospect, how big are you fast or your how stronger you are four? Can you throw it? And then Tom Brady has all that stuff. No ruler for that. No tape measure for that. But whatever that is those intangibles is off the charts. And until we are able to measure the immeasurable we will never give him his proper respect. But certainly do not undermine his greatness by comparing. To those with less Accolate and those who have more talent. But not more competent for me to say because I don't want to be a patriots hater. I mean, you know, you say something bad about patriots, everybody automatically assumes, you you're saying the Tom Brady isn't great. He has great. He'll go down to me is the best quarterback of all time when he retires when he's done. Well, we lined up against Tom Brady. And I wanted to begins in Rogers. I wasn't wary. Just about Tom Brady was also worried about Bill Belichick, which he was going to do once told a long time ago that you know, if you wanna be a great defensive player of you want to kind of be the man out there you're going to have to start playing against these offense. According to this. And hey coaches because these are the people are going to go out and start creating havoc for you all these teams that that Tom Brady's had in the past some of the ones of recent Bill, Bella tickets implemented, these guys in order to build it. Put people around him air rajas. Wouldn't McCarthy do for air Rajasa created these place? Iran is extended these plays downfield air Raja's may magic happen. If you put in a two, and I know it's unfair. Because Brady does have the titles Ness. Why I can't go with Tom Brady over Aaron Rodgers because he's had help era Raja's has it. So I can't say it's unfair. Because people always going to say that the rings matter more than anything else. But I can't see Tom Brady in erogenous has five rings if he's playing for Bill Belichick. Oh, no, no doubt about it. I think even even the quote that Tom Brady said if he played here did he have seven thousand yards that was telling you right there, right then. And there that you know, what he's better than me if he was here with this coach, and this organization he would be better. But he hasn't had help. When is this is easy for me? Honestly, it really is. This is no disrespect Tom Brady. I know how great he is. And he is the go because. Of the five Super Bowls in all of the other things that he's done in his career. But when you look at his coach, he not only is his coach he makes he's made the personnel decisions. He's been the guy putting the pieces around him to make him better on on the other side defensively. You look at Mike McCarthy, he's not making those types of decisions. He's not making personnel decisions just coast football team. And he hasn't been able to get that done. It has an equated to what they've been able to do they being Tom Brady and Bill Belichick when you look at those two you automatically. You can't say if one were gone they would still have the same success. You can't say that. So for me, I look at Aaron Rodgers, and I'm looking say shoot if Mike McCarthy was going, what do you have more success? Probably. So that's how I look at it. I mean, you you put him with Bill Belichick, and you telling me Aaron Rodgers. Only Gary he takes a different personality to deal with Bill Belichick and his way. So Aaron Rhonda's personality has to fit with Beleta understand that but I feel like in. Maybe it doesn't mesh when he first took over. But if you were to action the swap right now, I think Aaron Rodgers has such a high respect in holds Bill check and such a high regard. He would do whatever that man accidentally, do whatever. But it's not fair to compare a full grown, Bill Belichick and his resume and accomplishments and then swap with air rods right now because you wouldn't have done this puppy, Bill Belichick, and that's my point day one. Bella check day one Brady. Nobody's sitting there saying greatest coach of all time greatest quarterback all the time. They built this together. And to take the hammer from one in the Nelson other to me is absurd. Because as we lock say we had to go through this together. And not everybody's down for that ride. I underst- I totally agree with that. But my. Point is if you have them together, you can't sit here and say, oh, yeah. This is all Tom Brady when we look at the Green Bay Packers all air. Do we ever say? Oh, yeah. Mike McCarthy has he is every we don't even consider that. Are you kidding me or poor death house? How you feel about? I do. I do. S C. And you know, it had nothing to do with you. But when it comes to coaching. I will never say Mike McCarthy is Bill Belichick. Never know. Oh, wait, a going limb. Now. Drop the mic. That's my point. Yeah, we'll use that sort. So you're saying if Bella check was able to have an Rogers and unlike the way Bill check did he he's not going to give Tom too much credit either. Yeah, I'd never played against Tom. And he he never said Tom is a great quarterback. Tom is the best quarterback plan into? But he mentioned that Aaron Rodgers is one of the best quarterbacks plans to a big story tonight. We're Terrel Owens will receive his hall of fame ring at halftime of the rate is forty Niners game in Santa Clara teals been venting his frustrations at the hall ever since he didn't make it on the first ballot. And this summer he became the first player ever to boycott his own induction ceremony. Opting to hold his own ceremony in Tennessee. Instead, I have no faith that Teo is going to behave properly or in a classy fashion tonight. He's going to do something tonight to show. Oh up the hall of fame and to put his little touch on this moment. I just don't have any fat. It sounds like I'm just ripping t over to. But you got fake. He's going to do something tonight. I just take his ring. Well, look, I'm offended by the phrasing of the question that Whitlock, obviously frightening. He let me look on us. If you heard that word, he won't be hey, she'll handle tonight ceremony with class. There's on what you call class. Just what I should have been in the first ballot hall of fame class. As you say when you invite me, you invite mob behavior, and guess what? That is. I'm gonna let y'all know I don't know anybody else. So and helped me that has ever retired from the game top three by the numbers at their position. And was not a first ballot Vanisi football hall talk to you right down. So so guess what? I get it. This is simple as an hall of fame committee can do themselves a good deed by emitting this te'o son jaw when he was playing reporters media everybody out there -til was like y'all my feet and my mercy. And then when you all finally had the power your son them back. Okay. Now te'o is like, okay. Invite me back. I'm gonna let everybody know why I'm disgruntle, and it will be disruptive. It'll be honest because I think te'o is standing on the proper premise, y'all plan shade, y'all out here being petty was so one status and Accolate earned that don't take that away from me. And then don't add to my sunny by put Randy moss. In there who te'o has some numbers better in some not. But is right there in terms of historical record, and you put them in first balloting until so you'll be awesome drops you right? I'm just for me. And no one te'o him. Call him, a friend. I hope he doesn't do anything not just embarrassing himself. But also his family and the people just around right? I think that we all forget because he didn't go and stuff like that. You've been I've been to ladainian Thompsons hall of fame. What's Ray Lewis, just recently? Hopefully, I go to Philip rivers Antonio gates, those my last two hall of fame in one thing to special Bob being is they they roll out very cop before your whole family your friends. Everybody eats free drink free dude free roles, they here they take care everybody. Right. The last thing you want to do is do something is going to put your family in a situation there to get ridiculed by other good. My other people fans at their dockets bef- Philly road deep to this. You would've thought this whole thing was about field. Philly every Philly fail last hall of fame. They were there. You got to do something that's going to bear. She'll family in a bears people you came with and put them in a bad position to even answer questions or something happened to them, verbally, whatever. Whatever might be the outcome. I don't believe that's going to be fair to them. You already made your point appointment, we get it. We your we understand just what you say. We all get a us. Probably should have been a I the whole hall of Famer, no probably not probably he should they should have probably listening. Langley. The fact is he already made his already made his point. We get it. We understand do your thing that people PPO Teo is a easy a big figure. He's going to be a big figure for a long time. No matter what he does at this hall of fame. Just don't put everybody else's situation to look at. I think will handle it just fine. I think would has asked with class, I think he'll be classy. And when you think about what he decided to do honestly, it was in the best interest, not only of the hall of fame. But in Terrel Owens tear owns like if he would've gone there. And then done something that he could regret. Now in wish he had never done it could change the whole outlay of everything. But when I listened to a Randy moss afterwards when they're on that desk, and he's talking about what we need to do as the hall is now open our arms and embrace him. And he he has a friendship with. Te'o. Like he understands how important is is to him. And what it meant. I don't think t- owed. Now, all of a sudden it's going to continue to strike that match in light that you know. I don't think. With locking Wiley here. Greg Johnson, Sean Merriman are bat. Let's move to Charlotte where Eric read has been busy since joining the Panthers back in September getting into it. With mouse Jenkins and calling the eagles safety a sellout and continuing his kneeling protest during the national anthem. While Ron VERA has been supportive of read the safety said is coach doesn't have a choice and talked about how much progress has efforts of mate, you can't put a number on impoundment. And that's my goal is to do. And can't put a number on the number of people, you educate. In raising awareness awareness is hard to quantify, but we've seen it when we are in the community when counting Nago places when people see him. It's unbelievable Eric when you're kneeling, and you're hearing that would you care dress the motion feeling. A lot of times anger on knowing the context in which the songs were in during the battle on the versus that were omitted from that song that song was created talking about killing slaves. Just the history of people all want us to the videos that have seen our social media the past three or four years. It lies a fireman. This is my problem with Eric Reed. We just heard clips, and I've read the stories and not one time that we hear anything about police brutality. And if you remember allegedly that's what this was all about. But since he's come back. It's been about picking a fight with Malcolm Jenkins. Now, it's a let me talk tough. And Ron Rivera. Don't matter what she said, you have no choice. I never hear him talk about police brutality and allegedly. That's what this is all about. And what I've said from the get-go it's about building a brain and drawing attention to Eric read. That's what he's been about since. He's rejoined the NFL played some decent football. But he's also done a lot to. Hey, look at me when me and capper Nick and over social media this video in that video never wants to hear him talking about police brutality. He's calling Malcolm. How does call him? Malcolm Jenkins sell out. How does that raise awareness events the calls? How does trying to bicker with your head coach and try to put him in some positioning? I'm the tough guy. He has no choice. It's it's all scam and a fraud is never been about what they say. It's about it's about he and capture Knicks brand when I hear you speak, a feel a lot of those sentiments, I feel a lot of the elements you just laid out. And then I hear this voice from childhood. My grandmother taken us the church and the pastor always saying separate the message from the messenger. Right. And in this this case in this moment, I'm trying to separate the character from the calls because I am down for the cost. But I am not down for Eric Reid is starting to present inform of character. And one is what really disturbed me was calling Malcolm Jenkins sell out. Now, you can disagree with Malcolm Jenkins and the way that he went about his business, and it actually was business because it was one hundred million dollars that a lot of people can say they want, but a lot of people can't reach and find and get and you can still be about the calls and have a supplement. Of one hundred million dollars to go towards the calls and continue to cost but a sell out because we all know what that feels like this thing. I know I've been called one of many times when I got outside the box. What box was that? I'll, you know, had to be in the first place you trying to tell me because I'm a black man. I can't have full expression. And I'm not even talking to non blacks, I'm talking to some people. Call me a still up because oh Marceau's you want to act a certain way, you wanna talk a certain way, you wanna do a certain thing. And now Jenkins I haven't seen yet him fully exposed as nothing near a sellout. Let alone someone who was adversarial to the cost for God. Who plays a team sport like football, Eric Reed. And he's understanding Malcolm Jenkins. Help them understand that we are pulling in the same direction. Just doing a different ways the Lyman have to do something different than a quarterback who has to do something then a receiver. But we still gotta get in that end zone together. Man, respect Wilson. Respect show slow more of my biggest problem is every us on the street for a while. And you had a bunch of people pulling for you to get back in the NFL myself included, if we get back into fill in the organization of somebody to take a chance to say, you know, what we don't care. What's going to happen from this is what people going to say, we will you on his team? And we want to show you our support you going out there and say, and showing aggression for the same thing you fighting against against the same people. You're trying to get something done with or get your own color your race. What are you doing you make it everybody who supported you trying to stand up and doing what they need to do in order to get back on the field, and you wanna fight? So all these people that are saying these things about you being this, and you being that you going out there and trying to physically put your hands on a man for the same calls you fight against for somebody else doing it to us. What are you showing? And it sucks for anybody. It's bad for anybody. Who's kind of backed him essay man, this these a start we need to support. This. We need to get him back into organization. Why is he he's top ten safety in the league? Why why isn't he on a team? Maybe this why you know, the team, but to begin with the baby this organization didn't want to step over the boundaries in accept somebody's back last. It was coming. You shot your own self in the foot, and that's just not fair to anybody supporting the same calls, you going to do that and say so so other people can sit back and say, hey, this is why right here look at guys all of you made great points. And I agree with everything that's been said my issue with Eric Reed is not the cause because I'm down for the calls as you sit ourselves. But when you talk about Ron Rivera, a guy who obviously helped bring you into this fold a I helped get you here. And you say respectfully he doesn't have a choice. You don't even need to say that don't don't because now you're you're you're literally smacking the hand out of the out of your face from the one who was extending his hand into your face. Like, that's basically what you just did. And then my other issue is attacking someone who is fighting but fighting differently than you. We're still we're in this. But I'm going to approach. A different. And now all of a sudden, you got a problem with best the problem in the first place. You don't we when we fight for something? We always expect for everyone. The fight the way we fight. That's not reality. What what what fires you up? What bought the same reasons? He was able to express that. What goes through your head? When you hear that national anthem being played. Yeah. It fires. You up it anger boils up that. I don't feel. I there's some things that I pull from that that bother me. But it doesn't rage doesn't come out of me. But that doesn't mean I don't agree with the calls that doesn't mean, I'm I'm not willing to fight and more importantly, so Ron Rivera was our defensive coordinator when down there with the charges. You'll he had also had a tough time finding a hey coach John full very long time. And he was a great coach. So obviously he had a hand in you come in there that is done another direct slap in the face for doing something like this for coach who was kind of not the severity of. But still the same kind of reason for not having a head. Coach's job. So might of course for you. And you go and do that. It's just not fair to other people. You put in a situation and row Rivera a man of color. I mean, you are in that position in the first place. And that's who you want to respectfully this. Oh, that's messed. I just feel like he has a platform. He says he cares about police brutality and injustice talk about that. And use your platform and spotlight to talk about that. I saw Malcolm zinc's do it in his locker room. Those are the issues he's focusing on a great job guys. I'm Jason Whitlock. He's Marcellus Wiley time to put on our thinking caps and pretend like Marcellus a smarter than the rent just because he went to an Ivy league. John Merryman is back. I'm a journalist. We know the Marcellus went to Columbia put on our thinking Cavs Darnell bring out to Marcel is thinking we're going to dive into some of the deeper issues of the day, tea and Crump it's next time. I know we're starting with a little humor, but we're about to dive into a more serious subject. Just your mind's ready for that. I let's move to Sean Maher men's all motto, the university of Maryland where school president Wallace Loh, reverse course, last night and fired head football coach DJ Durkan the university's board of regents had initially decided to reinstate Durkan after an investigation of the programs culture following the death of offense Allama, Jordan McNair that decision was met with fierce resistance with some of darkens own players walk. Out on him during a meeting and the student body planning campus wide protests, even governor Larry HOGAN weighed in saying, quote, I'm deeply troubled by the lack of transparency from the board of regents and deeply concerned about how they could possibly arrived at the decisions announced yesterday. I share the concerns of many Marylanders and believe very strongly that more must be done to restore public. Trust Maryland has made quite a Messier. But I'm not in some people will say, this is embarrassing. What's happened? I'm not that person. I will not say that. I don't really care how you arrive at the right decision. If you arrive at the right decision. I'm going to give you credit Maryland made a mistake. I think with the initial reinstatement they chorus corrected very quickly. I don't believe. This is embarrassing Maryland. Agreed. It's not embarrassing the end justifies the means. So how you got there? Okay. That's secondary to your arrival at this place. And where they are right now. Highlights to me that they still don't know how to assess what a toxic coacher looks like I'll tell you why. Because culture is intangible it's nothing you can really grab you could see results from culture. But you can't be in a culture and say, this is this type of culture, you can start to make some estimation some mations, but what you have to do is an -ticipant, which you have to do is see what these elements are that exist and know that your conditions before you said, they were toxic. You said you had a strip coast that obviously pushed the wrong buttons and push too hard push to far. And then you have people who didn't respond appropriately in that moment of tragedy. And then you said after investigation after investigation that you know, what that coacher looked like. Like, you know, what you want your culture to look like and then made a step in that direction. And then you didn't anticipate what was coming back your direction, which is going to be the same elements that you need to assess if you know, what a culture supposed to look like you have not cured your ills you have now just address symptoms of backlash and criticism. But there will be a day going forward when you think you have the proper coacher, but you just showed that you don't have foresight. You just showed you don't know. What consequence really looks like? So if I'm a player on that campus. If I'm anyone surrounding that environment. I'm starting to say, do you know which way is up because it shouldn't take twenty four hours for you to go and flip your decision when you should anticipate this backlash in the first place and made the decision based on net, you know, where they may not be for you. But it's bearing for me coming from PG county mail, and I grew up twenty minutes from the school. I committed to the university of Maryland as a junior grew up there. Born and raised I know the area quite well. It's a sticky situation because young man lost his life. So you kind of don't want to speak too much on the coach I want to speak too, much of the culture me. I you have to acknowledge that Jordan McNair lost his life from the outside looking at it. And then really finding out what happened in the situation. Immediately. Anybody who had a hand in it trainers? Anybody who physically seen as kids condition running up to two hundred and six degree fever? Oh, degree whatever. He had. He had temperature yet. Those people should immediately be gone right away. You saw it. You could have prevented it this whole situation could have been preventable, boom, that's done. You don't talk about it anymore. Then you run your investigation on the coach and his staff to culture, and you see all these things going on you made your decision before happy you make your decision and you stick with it do not let the public anyway. Else? Play a factor in what you have going on. If you don't know that bringing coz DJ Dirk and back in the building that that's going to be a problem. I don't know what to tell you. We see it at early urban Meyer. They made a decision they brought it back. He's still getting backlash right now. But they already made a decision that this is all coach we're moving forward with if if you make a decision if you let this whole thing blow up in your face, and you don't know this come it. It just shows somebody mishandling this thing not only from the start. But even when they had the chance to go back in it and look at it again. And now make a decision I'm from the area. I've watched them brain coaches, and in and out in the last few years Randy Edsel, and you know, they're bringing in and out inside and out. You don't have any of the former players who went there when we won games. There's from that Maryland DC Virginia area guys who know the area been there, not culture. You don't have them as involved anymore because you're making decisions with coaches in personnel going forward without having anybody involved. Look at all the great schools. Ohio State, Florida state, Florida. These all come back and be a part of that university in their schools. Because they're involved in. What happens did you liked? Do you agree with this decision to let DJ Dirk goer you disappointed by? I think that there was a good coach going for the future foot Maryland. I think he was a great recruiter. I think that he had a good energy about him originally coming here and being able to turn the program around. He wasn't good enough. He wasn't urban Meyer status, something like this could happen in them still move forward with Ville was if urban Meyer was there, and they had a chance to win a championship. This might be a total total different conversation. We know the NFL college where we deal with more things will players anybody else off to fill troubles, whatever it is if you can produce if you can't produce you going to be out of there. So this thing not only was mismanaging mishandled from the start. They went back ended mishandled it again. That's that's what really would have problem come in. That's my issue. Not the wins and losses because there's a loss that you can never. Recover from loss of life. So it's not parallel analogous to me would urban Meyer per se, but I will go there to them this management point, not only did they mismanage it in terms of response from the outside, but they mismanaged it internally think about it the criticism that avalanche that came in the twenty four hours when they reinstated DJ Durkan. Well, something you should anticipate it, but you know, as we know don't let your neighbors run your house. Like, if you say, this is the way is going to be. That's it. Everybody who comes in here is going to have to respect this or okay, have your opinion on outside one. And here's the second point that you give it to me. We look the border regions is a seventeen member board. Well, that is governed and appointed by the governor the same governor in twenty four hours who obviously was not on the same page with his board of regents, correct? Yes. So look at that intern. Journal mismanagement you have eight board that is higher by one individual who turns on that. Same board's decision within twenty four hours being very close to the ball state program. I see that all the time aboard a trustees point about a governor not on the same page as the people on campus, that's commonplace. But however must have as a parent just analogize appear. I don't have a problem with Maryland making a mistake, and then correctly, you never make a mistake with your child, and then have to course. Correct very quickly. And again, that's something you're highly invested in you and your wife give a lot of fall too. But you can still make mistakes. I just think when I look at what they couldn't anticipate which became very clear is just the dissension within their own program. You've got kids fighting with other kids as over this suspension. You you've got a player that is talking about. He was beaten. And up or got in a fight lost the fight or whatever. Because the kids the players are fighting amongst themselves and shy that was my position yesterday. And staying with it today DJ Durkin to me we'll let him off. Look, we want to blame Maryland the board of readers while DJ Durkan's should have been smart enough as a coach to realize he wasn't in position to lead this team moving forward. He should have worked out a resume resignation in my opinion. I think so too and even going forward in his career you'll if he'd get another coaching job. So well, if you go and handle this particular situation correctly, maybe it might not have that big of a punch down the road. But you didn't if you don't think that after kit looseness life that you can walk back in that building. And you had a hand or you could have prevented this will you could've went down to that strength conditioning coach after they were five or six or seven different complaints. Or went to one of your assistant coaches after there was complaints. And you could walk back in that building. After your brother one of your teammates. Best friend, whatever have passed away. You think you're gonna walk back in that building? It's going to be okay. You have to make a decision right then. And then what you're gonna do. And he did not handle it. Well, thank you. I want them back to the show with lock and Wiley. We're joined now by five time NBA all star, Tim Hardaway, Tim, welcome to the show. Thank you. All right. Let's start Minnesota where Jimmy Butler may have taken the night. All but they're rose didn't drop in eager high fifty points in a win over the jazz roses fallen pretty far since his MVP year back in two thousand eleven and he was emotional after his big night you and your career high fifty points. What does it mean to you, Derek everything working, so? When did this the franchise the organization the fares? Everybody I won't be able to put it out. Wow. That was amazing last night. And I don't know how I feel though, I don't know. This is the fourth guy in two weeks of the NBA season that scored fifty points the rules have changed. It's an easier offense of game for everybody. But particularly perimeter players. I'm not sure if their roles is all the way back, but he certainly better than I ever expected him to be again. Yeah, I'm a respected for climate here once again, and you talk about injuries and diversity. It's one thing to just climb to heal in the first place become an MVP of a league basketball, especially where mean every corner has a basketball court every kid is walking around with all this gear on thinking they're going to be the next Greg. You became that stories of this guy in high school were NBA players used to drive in fly to play pick up games with him while he was in high school. I heard those stories amazing. He climbed that mountain gets not back down and these trying to climate. Again, and to accomplish that a career high at this stage of his career nothing. But respect I'm not going to give it to the rules because the people who have fifty points this year, their names are Klay Thompson Steph curry Blake Griffin. So they're not let everybody get fifty points. And obviously he added one of those member nights. I'm not giving it to the rules either. You know, Israel, personal for me to see deer grows. I'm from Chicago south side of Chicago. He went to semi on one of my rival schools when I played at Carver high school. So I know type he'll he's been climbing up ever since he's been hurt and trying to get back to one hundred percent and play at at a high level like used to and just to see him go out there and just play for fine and enjoy himself, and and and do it in a in a way that he no he can do it. And he shows that he's one hundred percent. That's great. And when I talked to him alive doing all season when I see him. And I, you know, make sure that he's head is all right because he was at a stage like he wanted to. He didn't know what he wanted to come back and play or whether he was going to retire. So, you know, he was at a stage where you know, we we was worried about we've. Worried about them. So see him go out. Dan, score fifty. So I'm not giving into the rules, but SAM's go fifty that's a remarkable triumph for you. Have t- didn't play last night. I'm wondering him. Do you believe can Derek roles be eighty two game start or regular starter in this Lee on a playoff worthy team? I think he can I think he can I think, you know, they they missed them Jimmy Butler last night Teague anti us. So you know, he I think has confidence level is up. Now, he knows his body stronger. He knows that he can go out there. And and and and and help a team out. Yes. I think you can do it for eighty two games starting point guard and their body hills before their mind to go six gear is the toughest part to trust yourself again to do all the things he did Deatrich. That's why I give them so much proximate. Let's move to the warriors who moved to eighty one. With a win over the pelicans last night. Thanks to another big game out of Steph curry, the two time MVP has at times taking a back seat since. Kevin Durant arrived in Oakland with questions swirling this year about Durant's impending free agency curry has clearly been the top dog in Golden State and might actually be having his best season yet with career highs and points shooting three pointers and defensive rebounds to my I told Marcel so there's earlier in the week the better Steph curry plays to me, the more likely is Kevin Durant moves on if Steph reemerges as the clear top dog throwing this out to both of you can Kevin Durant. Really stay there. I think he can't stay there. But you know, Steph curry is always been a top dole. Everybody just thinks that because Katie is Katie won two championships with them and MVP in championship that he's a Steph. Curry is not top dog. Steph. Curry is still not. Because he he still runs the team the team at times without Steph curry is loss without him being on floor, even though they look for carrying the rent and do a little bit more Steph curry, they steal miss his leadership out there. They still miss his his threat out there. And they still MRs charisma out there on the on the court to as you saw if they still need a basket, they still go to K D because because he can deliver a easier shot more than seven foot. Yes. More than Steph curry can. So I still think that curry is top doll and the way free agency is today who knows and how Kevin Durant thinking is. But you gotta understand he hasn't. He he wants to be the highest play player, and he wants to be the top, you know, like the highest play pay on his team. And you know, go either way with the warriors or he goes somewhere else, but he wants to death. Be the highest paid player on his team talk. Like that with lock like the better. Steph is more Durant wants to dip and go away. That's what broke up run DMC. Seriously, like old man, you hear run DMC ain't getting no I'm twenty years away from that moment still waiting on a comeback tour. Agreed. 'cause you just got allow these two guys to play under Steph some brillo his mentality of selflessness. That's why his team it's not so much just a production. We always look at this team in realize we don't see stars just get along like that. And they have this voltron effect where everyone plugs in at the proper place, and you could talk about each one of them, and they all have their individual lane. And there's nothing to interrupt them going out there and getting their book. It's I gotta respect that. He's going to stay regardless of what Steph curry does or he's going to leave because he wants to debate. Yeah. Why not stay and have a dynasty deaf for you know, four or five six more years because at this particular stage if they. Healthy can't nobody I'm gonna tell you why I'm gonna tell you why to him because they made a movie called the king of New York. They've never made a movie called the king of San Francisco king of Oakland and the New York Knicks are sitting out there. And if Kevin Durant ever wants to be in the same conversation with LeBron James he needs his own team and a big platform like New York, why wouldn't that be appealing? I don't think. So I I, you know, his name is up there right now as one to LeBron James or no, no. I'll tell you one. One two. I I can agree with that. But you got also understand if he goes to New York is still will be the same way. Lebron will be number one. Kevin Durant would be number two. I it. It doesn't make any. We'll have a megaphone and a platform. It could bring a star franchise says what nineteen Seventy-three a championship. Sure, we'll do that with that megaphone in New York. And we we the best basketball place in the world, and you win their Durant. That's how you start to trip. A Lakers team. That's still trying to figure it out. You don't think that will be the leapfrog number one? I still think until the Brom retire or or he, you know, something else happens. I still think LeBron is number one. Are we gotta end on this note, you said one DMC, and when you made that analogy, I think of here compares breaking up broke, my heart, and when they got back together with never they've never said. My favorite segment 'cause I got my Twitter off right here. So yeah. Happy myself. Must be I think that last night. All right. Don, L Smith, our social media managers here to walk us through these Twitter and Instagram streets traumas backs what's popping out there. Don L, man, we're gonna start with the Browns interim head coach Greg Williams where was the best known for his role them bountygate. But before that he was the head coach the bills and the early two thousands. He told reporters that he's actually been offered four head coaching gig them without even eating interview Twitter skeptical that a guy who went seventeen thirty one during George W Bush's first term has been offered jobs like this leading NFL now, where's Daniel Jeremiah to tweet. Little known fact grad doesn't trick or treat everyone did drops candy off at his house del okay? What social media Sherwin Williams? I love it. And as necessary this is so child, it's man this is like what we did in high school. I mean, you know, I kissed old girl. Exaggerating and all that other stuff is he talking about four jobs offered to. And if that's true, the NFL does need to be blown up real, right? Like oh. These reach raids? Do that. Look. This is funny. How you come back like that appropriate Halloween all that love let me hijack this one real quick. That whole bountygate thing boy, the NFL and others. I don't think really wanted to know how many teams and individuals were really dealing to you that that was so league why? And in my world, we were all guilty of the same thing. I just didn't understand that one. So the damn guy forever for that one. It looks bad. But it was commonplace. That's all I disliked this more than the thing. You got convicted. Thank you. All right. Don. What's next? Yeah. Was scrolling on my Instagram last night. He ran across Marcellus video depots it. Oh with this cashier here saying watch, LeBron take take a quick glance to the left in the beginning. My boy kw live told me a while back the King James MRs every single free though when he does that. So we'll should've legs higher. I got more to help. The bronze free throw when you first said this. I thought you were crazy then last night, you were proven, correct. Yeah. I think they do. Lebron does need to consult with you. Yeah. Man. I gotta give up Kedah. Love man, he brought us up to three years ago. He's like man watch him at the free throw line. And he's like every time. He does this little glance off. Is at best and he did it. And I'm sitting there laying in bed. I'm chilling. I'm fat and full my Halloween candy on my belly. I gotta film this for people because it comes true. Look. There are other times he's at the free throw line. He's just looks around. Then everyone started to respond like yo he has horrible free throw form something that's out of my conversation. But all that set wash. The bronze the free throw line, man. Maybe that's the reason why not hitting the clutch once wonder if he's looking over maverick Carter. They trying to yell at him something stay focused on. I wasn't that. I've got a newsgroup gotta be screw. So moving onto the timber wolves Minnesota unveiled their new prints being city addition uniform today, showcasing a lot of purple and honored the late singer. But the nets aren't going to be outdone showcasing their new big inspired city addition Younis pay tribute to the Brooklyn rapper biggie has always been a debate online. But now this is second to hold onto level. So big a uniform or prisoner forest which got going with I'm going with prints, and I I love biggie. But princes in immortal are we going with the artists? Are we going with the uniform? A mess, but Brooklyn looks better. But I don't even understand what Chris purple. Okay. And like you own the color. How's that biggie because what what part of the top of the Kuti sweater? He's known for writing. Right. Okay. A little bit of that. Yeah. They both suspect uniforms amazing artist last, but not least what's pop it on f s one. Yeah. So we got a short clip from a fair game. It's air letter on his after noon and Christine interviewed rounds D tackle Michael Brocker after question about former coach Jeff Fisher and current coach Sean McVay take a listen if Fisher was still the head coach today. What would you record be at the end of the season? I seventy nine. And I love you Fisher. I didn't want to let you know. Thanks for put an opportunity, but seventy nine. Wow. Was that Mainers keeping your real? He's keeping real. And it was me. There was a little blue. I can't touch that one. Those record speaks for itself. Know, we probably be seven to nine days appeal said it when keeping it real goes wrong wrong. He's keeping him one hundred two. I think they would be a normal average team. Hold on. Okay. Really deal with this in a more seriously, Jerry golf and Donald Dhamma consume markets Peters. They got everybody. They just traded for Dante Fowler. Brandon. Could if he had all of that he had a lot of that before and Jerry golf, certainly wasn't unlocked. Todd really risky you saw girly regrets them a great rookie year. You wanna keep going and Marcus Peters not playing so well right now. So I don't know. That's a dish in traction. He had a lot of those pieces. He drafted. Well, he just didn't get the most out of them. He wasn't the most creative mind festively. I'm sorry. I I will give him nine and seven. Say we also host to the playoffs. I thank you. We'd like to welcome. A new addition to our show today. Marcellus I've been hyping him up. My uncle Jimmy is finally here from loss from Kansas City. I'm sorry. Not Las Vegas. I respect. Look look at Devi. You clean over the any gotta took out. Manny got it took got it. Talk about time. Right. What you come home? You got me setting up there. It is about time. We've been promising it. What what what does this uniform you're wearing? What does this about what? I mean. I got jobs I got money like you'd only one out here. You'd only one on the contract. I'm trying to get contract it I-. What job? Do you have the required? You know, what I'm doing in Amira of Tanta ballgame down at UCLA. And you know, they're footlocker interview. You got you. You know, some people I know somebody to take care of that what you got holiday. Boy, I know you got bills to pay. So we will time barbecue to order. What did you think of Jimmy because of our conversation earlier in the show about Jon Gruden, but first of all I want to say that what I thought what I took from it? You keep colony John grew. We calling Johnny g. We call calling Johnny g see you can you know? No, no, no. Okay. Johnny Jay Z dead. You straighten your face. Listen it. I'm here is it. I packing. I do got one hundred million dollars though. What am I going where am phone still blowing up on maybe win and right now, but the whole of my phone blowing up like she calling me. But you just never see us. Go out demand. Eight pack. Yeah. Packing it in there. But he will he at some point. If you don't get it together. He will be packing. The everybody gets fine. See it right there. That's what he's talking about fake news fake that you saying that then get out of here with let's get to our approval ratings. First time we've done them on the gruden's. I think since September I have him all the way dropping to a fifty eight previously. I had him any total of sixty six he is now a role player borderline scowl player job performance. I had him previous at twenty one. Now, it's down to fifteen all time greatness. Actually, I think I moved up a little bit because I started thinking about that hundred million dollar contract. Yeah. But nobody forgetting scout team character, I'm keeping him at the same. But the authenticity rate is. Hey, let Frank Kelly Endo do that in authentic coming from Gruden. So I got him at a non for total of fifty eight. Yeah. Let characters do character. Don't be too one out there. Doubling down on that. So I hear you, man. He's dropped from me tremendously as well. Coming off of that first game appearance against the Rams. I thought he had something here since then. Oh, look at the job performance nine from nineteen used to respect you brother all time greatness to saying because he's still the same coach and turns the historical record character to saying same old dude who has issues were players always terp about them, talk bad well authenticity. I thought you left there behind you like in the booth and the whole scowl and whole Chucky don't don't keep doing that. Like go to something else instead of that. So total of fifty man used to be sending to this is amazing. I think this is maybe the first or second time you've actually had a lower score than me. Yeah. Am I starting to rub off on you? That's the problem. I need to take leaving absence over Jimmy any any work footlocker because I need to get out. Joking. Joking times rolling come home. We almost done. But anyway, where do you come down on Jon Gruden thumbs up comes down looking at pitcher. Right. Did you know? One hundred million dollars. Can't. Dogs up. Have you been watching them play and coats, one of my whole, a Holo hundred million dollars would I hunted? Wh would you take the job for a hundred million dollars with? Yes. Yes. I would take the job, but I a play the role of Chucky, but I wouldn't play it as well. But you know, what to do kind of look like the raiders all scarred whatnot.

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2020 Big 12 Conference Preview

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I am hydrated caffeinated took advil just in case not a sponsor anti inflammatory shoutout to all of you. I don't know the significance of this conference preview in terms of what it actually means going forward for whatever happens these next few months with college football and the rest of the world. But as somebody who has led a nomadic existence since late March, we're talking of six pairs of underwear Max tober talking totally I probably left three to four pairs of socks back in. California we're talking my toddler, my eighteen month old toddler definitely practices better hygiene at moments than I do this single sliver, this droplet of normalcy tie that we get to do a conference preview on this show after what Earth has look like in twenty twenty. It brings me so much joy that I had to to harness it by listening to both ACDC down and rage against the machine waiting for you to connect for this show. So I am thrilled to be here Sir I am fired up I'm a little worried that we're going to run and burn hot. Out of the game. Pace ourselves here as we've got a big twelve preview before us our first in preparation for the twenty twenty football season. We are starting to see a little bit more. About what that season might look like, and we'll talk about that as we do a quick news hit at the top here before diving into the big twelve but. Doesn't matter what happens the rest of the way. They could scrap the whole damn thing tomorrow at least we'll have one preview Dan and I'm excited about it. I can't tell you and maybe you would echo the same sentiment. How good it felt to sink your teeth into some? Kansas. Offense twenty twenty or west. Virginia running game twenty twenty. It felt surprisingly good to even look at the bad spots of the big twelve. Yeah some people have those trashy romance and sexy novels to distract them from their life for the world at large and all of their problems I suppose I have Melik Knowles Andrew. Parsons in Thailand Wallace. While it's coming back from an ACL injury, we've got a couple ACL injury returns so. It was it was a nice escape and I am. I am hoping for the absolute best in terms of not just this big twelve conference preview portending things that we can react to during the actual season. But across the Board College football things and I am hopeful for improvement with everything surrounding the sport and the universe, and we're GONNA WE'RE GONNA go from there. All right before we go any further, don't forget to subscribe to the show. If you haven't already, we will be broadcasting twice a week at least twice a week for the next couple of weeks as we build to the twenty twenty season, you can do. So at Apple, you can do so on Google on spotify. 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Van People, and frankly there hasn't been a lot of good stuff to talk about like we try to be positive going to be sending stuff to your inbox and hasn't been a whole lot of that so far in this young or old or whatever you WanNa call it preseason that we've got so far. Yeah you've pitched a weekly visual a photo segment in the newsletter for the season. It's the race to an eight pack and I don't know if fully on board with that. But like a week to week progress report, we'll see what happens. We'll see what happens. But you we're pitching things to each other constantly about what the newsletter is GonNa. Look like and how we're to be adding to it and making it more in the world of everybody who covers the sport dynamic dynamic. Yeah. The eight packs all about lighting I would add just a pro it's all not the whiting. Makeup and shading for me. Do you want to get in snooze I do want to get into news. Let's do it. Pro. Does not going to really go for you today Boop Boop Boop boop. We have a lot of information to transfer. I don't want to ruin my voice. Okay. So, we'll start here I'll follow your lead. In this weird funny farm of a preseason that we've been living through. As the season does start to take shape. So have some conference schedules we saw that from what the big ten in the SEC Dan. We we knew the ACC schedule in terms of what the home and road splits. We're going to look like before. So we talked about that some of the bigger winners and some of the big losers but in terms of whereby weeks land and where you know there could be let down look ahead sandwiches land and you know tough back tobacco and road stretches whatever we didn't have a full concept that I'm sure you looked at what Notre Dame schedule look like, which is pretty a note not the way Notre Dame schedule works out they have who western Michigan is there confirmed correct non-conference plus one. Pit Big loser loser chance. Pit Has the final I Open Week on the ACC schedule. They're the only team that I think they play what what's looking like seven straight games to open the season without an open date whereas everybody else has one within I don't know three or four weeks. So there's that Otherwise. Clemson schedule looks pretty great. It's an interesting end to their year. They have pit sandwiched between Road Games at Florida State and Virginia Tech but Rogaine Games are not road games in twenty twenty in the in the way that they've been at in the way that we're used to Louisville has a pretty interesting schedule. The middle of their schedule gets a little bit tricky but the the bread part of that that schedule Sandwich is fine. So the powers that be. In the ACC at least the ones that we perceive them to be. Looked pretty good you. We have what to open dates for each of these teams and the The championship game will either be on December twelfth or the nineteenth. That's right. That's right and. Also in the Scheduling Department mentioned the big ten You know the first thing that jumps out at me and looking at the schedule Matrix here. If Ohio State does not run right through the schedule then something's wrong. Maybe half they're team ops out I. Suppose that's a possibility. We're GONNA talk about some of those notable doubts next. But Starting your season with Illinois Rutgers Perdue Indiana and then a by is a pretty good way to go forward. Oh. Then it's also a pretty good way to ramp up to I think your toughest game of the year in Penn State. In, going from Nebraska to Michigan. State to Michigan to Maryland and Penn. state. So they're like they have a natural ramp up there to the tougher part of their schedule. It culminates what they're calling week ten first week in November against Penn State. The most teams have two consecutive tough Games Minnesota shoot. Is Michigan State Michigan Iowa. Wisconsin, and we'll see about Nebraska I know you're pretty high on the huskers and three of those five are on the road I'd look for sandwiches here, tie and the team the meat occupying the letdown look ahead sandwiches that kept coming across as rutgers. So I don't know how profoundly difficult the letdown look ahead sandwich situation is in the big ten if we're to get a full season, but we won't really know until we have a sense after three or four weeks what teams look like both. I think Penn State and Ohio State Michigan Schools in consecutive weeks. What what Mel Tucker spartans look like to sort of manage or figure out how dangerous that actually is we get Ohio State Illinois to open the season on a Thursday night that be the third I believe of September and the other big notable thing is some of the the classic traditional rivalry games and I know the big ten has a number of those big trophy games but the biggest of the big the sort of spread out through the season we have Michigan Ohio State on the twenty fourth of October instead of what the second or third week of November. We have the axe Minnesota Wisconsin in week four. Obviously. No. Cy Hawk because there's no non conference for Iowa Iowa state but Owen Nebraska has been that final week game and that's now week for as well. So the big ten sending a not so subtle message of we don't know how long the season's going to last. We would love for our bigger games to to enter into the the eyeballs of America. No matter what so yeah Penn State Ohio. State is later on in the season. So I mean that's a it's a giant win. If we get to that far in the season and we get that game, it's happy valley correct correct correct. I wonder if they'll do. Mike will will the entire sideline just wear white as like a whiteout express in in Michigan's schedule Matrix in particular I, forget which game but one of the Games was labeled as as out which Goes we'll talk more about that when we get to the big ten preview, but it is notable that we're starting to see dates for sorry see schedules out there and You know we'll. We'll talk more about that certainly as we move through our previous, the the other component of this here. Is the opt-outs right? We talked about Caleb Farley. On my guest two of our last three episodes him opting out for his own reasons and since then we've seen Rashad Bateman. Notable wide receiver from Minnesota we see Mike Parsons. Arguably Penn State's best player. And the top defensive player in the country top defensive player in the country and Gregory Russo from Miami a redshirt freshman. Opting out as well. I saw our friend Adam Kramer from bleacher report commenting on twitter that after the Mike Parsons News broke. He was expecting something of a wave that perhaps that gave clearance for other big name notable players to follow suit. So I-. Embracing a bit for who may be next. Yeah. Gregory also had a terrific redshirt freshman year. Last season and has already been considered to be a top ten ish maybe the best address in this upcoming NFL draft and he I don't know that I've seen him say anything that he's going to focus on preparing for the draft just that he was opting out for safety concerns right so I mean he certainly has a lot of eligibility left but. It's something to monitor. There's all sorts of context Marvyn Wilson at Florida state said that he very much wants to play, and I think there was a headline that sort of misconstrued his words that he said that opting out in the in the way that you know PAC twelve and now big ten players in their united way and the list of the asks from their conferences. It was sort of misconstrued because he used the phrase the easy way out but. It was it was more about Marvyn Wilson saying he decided to come back and not explore his NFL potential and so the easy way out would be to not play in just sit around and so he very much enthusiastic about playing with his team. So it's I'm glad there's a conversation around it I'm glad players are just deciding what's best for them whether that is playing or not playing, and it's it's refreshing to see so many players using their voices this way so. There will be more I keep seeing that from going to be more college writers NFL writers is going to be more and. That's okay. We get it. Get it. We get it now. One hundred percent we get it. The other interesting tidbit I'd add here before we move onto Yukon canceling its season for the quote unquote pandemic You know one of the arguments against spring I'm not like advocating for a spring move here that we've talked a lot about it but one of the comments against a spring season is all well, the big names are just opt out. Or they're opting out anyway. So We'll see we'll see where this goes but more to come here for sure I mentioned you can they cancelled their season they opted out of their season. It's notable here that they credited the pandemic for it and I do think that is obviously the underlying and main reason why however you cons independent school they lost a bunch of games on their schedule in a very weird and cruel twitter world I saw a lot of commentary around you still plays balls at so. Know. I got a mention, it Dan Orlovsky school sex. There's not going be uconn football. We love talking about Yukon. On the show well, let's words are important. We love talking UCONN football come on. We love it's the roots of sexier than it's. That's true. That is true. Yeah. It's a bummer. I like football I have no problem with the state of Connecticut I've enjoyed watching Kalibbala elamine play basketball way back when sure yeah. It was notable that Randy edsel mentioned that it was a it was a big conversation with players all deciding that this was best for them. That's also find. Did you see the coaches poll came out coaches poll? That's where I was going next. We Have Clinton Ohio State Alabama Georgia Lsu as your top five Oklahoma notably is sixth. We're GONNA talk about them in just a little bit We will have a lively discussion I believe over whether Texas at fourteen deserves to be over Oklahoma state at sixteen. Of course, none of this really matters because it's a coaches preseason poll, but it is fodder for idiots like us on a weird podcast like this in. Mid August to be able to have something to talk about. So any big surprises we gotta move on and talk about the big twelve but any really big surprises to you. Know not. especially. Good to see UCF in Cincinnati check in at I think it's twenty one and twenty two. And then seeing Tennessee Boise and Asu on the side looking in as the I think the lead others receiving votes, schools all seems to make sense a lot of the schools that are on the outside looking at I'm you know know high in Louisville Tie you know I'm high on level I. Think they're a top twenty five caliber team and perhaps don't have as many questions as these other schools that didn't make it into the top twenty five even though the defense does need to improve, we'll get to Louisville at a certain point but no nothing nothing seems dramatically off at this point because. These teams and even play in the spring. y'All Camp A. It's it's going to be a very different type of early season whatever it looks like. All right. Well, again, right insolvable gmail.com if any of these. News Bullets. Inspire you to do so or if you just want to say hi. We're always here. Okay. So, big twelve, Dan I. Don't you know I don't have a sound play for the big twelve how about this one? That's Kinda. How I feel about the big twelve this year. Yeah. Is Not the deepest conferences it. No and it's funny. I've mentioned in years past where it seems like all my God. There's so many good quarterbacks in the big twelve. It's so interesting that you know even if a team is pretty flawed that have a good quarterback like a West Virginia with will greer or whoever? Brandon Weeden with Oklahoma state. I was looking through some old list of big twelve quarterbacks in there are some years where like two thousand eleven was great. It was like Casual Dress James Franklin in Collin Klein were like the fifth and sixth best quarterbacks. That's a hell of a hell of a year in terms of quarterback depth but there were some years like. Thirteen fourteen were you talking Steel Janssen? Clint Chelsea Elliott steel within L.. E. At the end I believe yeah. Janssen's Z.. All due respect? But there were some years. Oh, it's it's bryce petty and nobody else. So I think I don't know if it's one of those type years I think the the floor is pretty high but in terms of headlining quarterbacks specifically and it's certainly football team is much more than just quarterback it. It's tricky I dunno spicy is how I would describe it but you know there's some there's some Cayenne dot in there to be clear the floor is still Kansas, it might be about an inch or two higher. Than it was a year ago we'll get into that. And much much more but General Impressions General Questions Looking around the big twelve I. Don't know if anything struck you I. One thing that struck me you mentioned the quarterback spot and we'll get into that as well. The QUARTERBACK POSITION IS IS A. A. Huge question mark for me. We we know a lot about Sam younger purdy and even Spencer. Sanders but. Really, questions abound. Across the board I am in particular very curious about. That number two spot. In the big twelve you know like I think we would probably agree that Oklahoma is still the team to beat until proven otherwise but definitely Oklahoma state and Texas are. Of particular intrigue to me in. Iowa state. I. O State's gotten a lot better with regard to recruiting their depth is a lot better. We know we like Brock purdy embraced hall. Defensively done a lot of cool stuff over the last three years under Mac Campbell that to me is the the real open question. I'm not gonNA throw TCU and there. I. Don't want to commit the sins of the past. And dive back in headfirst TCU though there is reason be excited about their defense but in particular that number two spot in the conference for me is what what I'm most interested in right now. Do you love talk and number two you love talking number tell the deuces Last year I mean number two to me is it's year to for all sorts of head coaches right? It's year one for Dave around. At Baylor. So good so. But Matt Wells and Neil Brown and less miles and Chris climate all enter their second year. So last year, it seemed like there was a lot of upheaval and like what do we expect from your one out of these guys and what type of continuity can we expect afternoon? Dana whole Grayson had so much success and Bill Schneider had so much success and you know Texas tech had all sorts of up and down situation with their coaches over these last few years but Cliff Kingsbury was fun. Don't get me wrong. Kingsbury was fun. We only have one new coach Dave Aranda. So we think we know what to expect more and we're just more curious about the next step more. So than what are they gonNA look like L. That to me is interesting that that is that is for interesting but you're right the it's another year of just a wide open middle class of the conference. So here's the way that we structured it last year we got a lot of positive feedback. Yeah. When it came to previewing conferences but each of us went through. I took half of the conference you took half the conference both of US looked at all the conference obviously to be able to talk about it. But in looking through, we formulated questions about each team. Questions that we think are a good a build into just where is this thing? GonNa, go in twenty twenty let's start at the top with Oklahoma. I know you did the deep dive of the sooners but I guess as you look at this team. And what they did last year under Alex grinch there's no denying. There was improvement. In the first year right a much better job of creating those havoc plays that our friend Bill Connolly calls them and likes to talk about plays behind the line of scrimmage. It's sort of outs inches thing, right? Is there. Now, a legit reason to believe that the defense is going to take a big enough step forward that they're they're gonna be just like a little dangerous to complement the offense. In in so doing they be so much of a better team. They be so much more formidable on the national stage. Is There Hope For that and twenty? Twenty? Yes but But okay. It's so yes, there is. I mean. So the secondary is largely intact they have to deal with I don't know how long exactly Ronnie Perkins going to be suspended because he was suspended if you remember before the Peach Bowl against Lsu. Rush for Oklahoma talented and he was going to be suspended for the first five Games of two thousand twenty whether that's adjusted now that it's a shorter schedule unclear unclear at this moment but up fronts. They're going to be I. think they're going to be fine. They're going to be a little bit different especially without Ronnie Perkins they're gonNa be a little bit different. They were thinking that they're going to get Caleb Kelly back in the middle of that linebacking core, but he hurt himself once again, he missed twenty nineteen with an ACL injury I. think it looks. Like it's the same thing for twenty twenty. So that's a a pretty significant bummer. The weird thing to me though about Oklahoma's they've struggled with the fact that the offense scores. So quickly that they didn't necessarily have the depth to play so many snaps on defense because they've had this crazy prolific offense all these years you know with a field or Kyle Murray. Or last year with. jalen hurts. So they have built up the depth on defense, which is great. This year interestingly enough the offense to me seems to be the overhauled side of the ball just because Spencer Rattler now steps in and he's at experienced former number one overall quarterback recruits and they're pretty beat up at receiver they lose CD lamb from last season and a couple of guys Jadon Hazelwood and feel Howard down in the off season hurt. They lost a receiver named bridges who was promising I. Think a former five star he was suspended and he's also in that Ronnie Perkins Situation of suspended for a few games to start the year. The goodness. The offense to the offensive line is in good shape. Lincoln Riley is still the one wearing a headset and telling the offense what plays to run but but you know hold on on on that point there for a second. Spencer Rattler. Is a lot less experienced than any quarterback that Lincoln Riley sat in his time at home I. Think I think we've developed a level of confidence around what Lincoln Riley can do, but this is his fourth different quarterbacks starter in four years. This guy's got a lot less experience. Sure's hell is not built like Jalen hurts got a little bit of Baker Mayfield in I'm not gonNA lie. But he's not built like a mack truck like jalen hurts and he In front of him and you know all that's fine and Dandy but it's got a huge arm, my man huge arm I am interested in what he can do I think he's going to be really good. I'm most interested in that point that you brought up about who is throwing too because we have CD lamb losing we had the hazelwood injury I wanna see the young guns out wide I. WanNa see Theo Wiese I want to see Marvin men don't see ten Rambo show me what these guys can do. I'm not saying they're not going to perform but. This is. A receiving core that I'm. Frankly. Just anxious to see, I. Don't know a lot about there's a lot of potential there. But how will they all Mesh especially in recurring theme here that I'll talk a lot about a very weird preseason and no spring, right? I'm with you. The the good news is Lincoln. Riley has been there and we have teams across country with new offensive coordinators and quarterbacks including one happened to root for so. The fact is the benefit of the doubt should lie squarely on the shoulders of Oklahoma's offense because of Lincoln Riley because in the sort of opposite way of looking at it as Spencer rattlers the first quarterback who's really had time to get into the system without being counted on right away like tyler, Moore and Baker Mayfield were being thrown into it. Even though Baker Mayfield, redshirt when he when he sat out a year, he was he was thrust into it the other great news. On. The other side of the ball is if you look around the conference in terms of what the offenses look like now I know Texas has interesting talent on offense and fourth year starting quarterback and Sam Etlinger new coordinator without time to really implemented to a detailed point, they would enormous season. So it's sort of the same for everybody. That's it's a step back though that that teams usually have it's a step back from Vegas Normalcy Baylor new offense coordinator, new head coach. TCU. I'd I don't think Max Duggan's interesting but he's not bomber. You're not immediately super scared Texas. Tech has had injury after injury to college, Alan Bellman West Virginia on offense especially at quarterback was not scary last. Que Kansas had moments. Iowa State has rock party, which is really promising to me Spencer. Sanders is not all that scary to me with a new coordinator at Oklahoma. State promoted associate head coach wide receivers coach, which I never am huge huge fan of A. Position Coach being promoted. So the context of what Oklahoma's defense can do with regard to the big twelve, it's pretty good. Well you know at two things that jump out at me from last year they gave him Outta Bangers only conference Scary offense it's not. To to the initial point initial question. gave up a lot of big plays last year especially on the ground. Sure. Can they shore that up short? They've got depth. They've got what nine guys back. So. They're going to be fine on defense I would expect. That they're going to take eventually, I would expect they're going to take that step forward. The other component here we're talking about Alex grinch trite. What's his deal? He likes havoc plays and he likes turnovers. they didn't create as many as I'm sure he would have liked to his credit they should have had more. It does not help when guys drop interceptions. The Way Oklahoma did a year I there's there's some randomness a lot of a lot of randomness. Sure. If they can shore up one or even both of those points. To just some marginal degree that will make them much better a defense, much more dangerous as we asked at the top of this little capsule here. So yeah, I don't know how you feel about Oklahoma Dan I I think I agree with most of what you said it is hard to see this team losing more than like. One game if they're if they're gonNA lose it all. And work like we. We, look at Oklahoma. On their old schedule, there was like a four game stretch that might have been tricky. Might have been tricky. They had a game against Texas and all time wet down look ahead spot the following week on the road at Iowa. State. Before coming back home for a bedlam. Game. I don't know what that have. We seen the big twelve schedule at time recording I. Don't think. So now it's being reworked as we speak I. Think I saw that Red River supposed to stay in Dallas as of Eliah logo. So we'll see if that changes but otherwise, no, it's just because they wanna it's a nine plus one schedule and they want to rework it to work in by weeks and in different options and they're not cancellation. They're not GonNa play on August twenty ninth originally, they had moved that Missouri State Game. That's that's not going. To happen now so we're waiting to find out what the big twelve schedule is at time of recording here. But my only point is I, think the rework schedules actually going to work in their favor to we already know who they're playing. Right. They always play all these teams but I think the way that they might rework things to accommodate. This new reality is also something else that will benefit Oklahoma. So again, my view probably yours as well. Oklahoma's a team to beat until proven otherwise in the big twelve. Agree Disagree Week One let's do it. Now they're absolutely there's no clear obvious challenger. The only one from a talent standpoint is Texas but you know what to expect from Texas Year in year out I leave to you now. Oh, I have a question for you is your vision i. Here let's do it. Let's do I'm ready. I'm going to stick with the the breadth that you like spreading your intellectual butter on top of tie. Yes. You know the the undertaker clip or image or Gif. Of Him. Right. Literally rising from a laying down position bolting up to two ninety degrees, the coffin, of course from the coffin. So from zero to ninety. If you could give me an undertaker angle. With Ninety Ninety being full on. Vince Young's walking through that door. There is Vince Young. He's suiting up once again. And Lang straight in the coffin being. I don't know the worst of David Ash. Yet I any any of the case McCoy I don't Give me give me an angle. Give me an undertaker seventy waking up angle says seventy two. Okay. Andy to by the way in this analogy, I am Pallbearer as weird hype man promoting Texas is back or not back I'm the ref looking away at the right moments. What I would like to know from Texas fans. is whether or not that Texas being back thing is perpetuated by. The fan base. Or the boosters or mainly just by the national media, which is frankly a little bit disconnected from the program. My my sense is that it's more national than local. But there is no doubt more pressure on Tom Herman to. More seriously contend for the this here or if not this year next. Otherwise. He would not have hit the reset button on both the offense and defense the way he did. This off season so as we enter twenty twenty. Texas win eight and five last year they beat Utah in the bowl game. They beat Oklahoma in the regular season, which was nice. It's pretty much. It led the five losses. They were decidedly back last season correct agree. Yeah I mean there were extenuating circumstances for sure but yes, it was. It was more challenging year than I. Think we anticipated given how they ended twenty eighteen but it happens it does happen. It does happen so. I I look at what he's doing here. He fired both his coordinators. It does feel a little like he's trying to build Ohio state south. And I think Texas fans will be cool with that. Yeah worse models tie worst bottles. He got rid of Tim Beck previous offense coordinator replaced him with Mike. You're Sich who? Comes over from Ohio state I think we would see that as an upgrade. Also got rid of Todd Orlando. Bringing, Chris ash to run the Defense Chris ash formerly before his rutgers stop was the defensive coordinator at Ohio State. Now. Is, right move I think the right move at the right time on both fronts. He just got really unlucky with the pandemic. It's just hard to start over like this amid all this without the spring with the in person stuff being so different don't be surprised if this does not click right away. Again recurring theme do not be surprised Dan. If this does not click right away. Right. Okay That said I really like this team I know you're going to be shocked to hear that but. I said it a couple of episodes ago I think. Sam. etlinger still underrated. I think the run game is going to be better. I think friend of the show herb hand did an awesome job with the line last year rebuilt the line built. Dark Place. Yeah they were. In a perfect world where you know Mike, you're Sich could may be. More. Properly or more comfortably installed the offense he would build off that line because the foundation is there. What was really missing last year was the creativity. And we knew that because it was tim back, you gotta sound somewhere I should find it. I should have been prepared here, but we've got the Beck Meyerson on sound is it your Sicher? You're sick I was always unimpressed notes year sick I believe it's your Sich but is admirable at. Did something he was at. Shippensburg right. By the way here, this can't lift. SIPPY. Normal rate. That's the back Meyer Syndrome sound whatever it is. You're sick. He knows the conference from his time in Oklahoma state. He did a hell of a job with Justin fields last year he wants this offense to be more vertical no more the five yard dink dunk stuff that we saw. I am most interested in what he does this passing game how it looks differently how he uses Jake Smith, how he used Brennan Eagles. Also treat black came down from Michigan as a Grad transfer in Jordan Wittingham is now a converted. Wide Receiver from the running back position Josh Moore has a ton of upside. I am just I'm really intrigued in what he can do with this offense how he can implement some degree of creativity that simply was not there under tim back I think he has the personnel to do it. He's got the best quarterback in the big twelve to do it with I am excited about this offense. Yeah. I think the big name to is Canada Ingram the fact that he took the step forward for the Texas running game. Last year will only open things up for the passing game. We saw how much success justin fields with play action I think that that becomes such a major threat now because that was and Texas had running back certainly, they went into last season unsure of what they had it running back like they did the last couple years but Chianti Ingram being a I think one of the best probably eight or nine running backs in the country should should be a huge boost for what this offense can do creatively and Yeah I. I'm excited to see it the problem is. It seems like Sam Etlinger, and maybe it won't really derail what their season can be. If we get a full season, he always seems to have that stinker in him. He does however you look up, he does your does at at. Six forty four eastern. He's got three picks in half and like Oh you're not wrong you're not always. Not Sam L. Lingers Week Week and I I wonder if that once again comes to fruition. Let's talk about Texas defense because that's. A new. Installation as well. Chris ash comes in. Job One has to be back to the basics. Focus on tackling a right that will be hard again weird off-season no spring I get it. They lead the nation in tackles a year ago they WANNA get better. That's where they gotta start tackle guys. That is the point of defense the other thing that Chris ash needs to do. Like Todd Orlando was so aggressive last year kind of like the guy in video games just blitzes the house every play in Madden. Didn't have anything behind it. Yeah. Great when it works and it's fun to do. But it just didn't work last year. Ninety. Fourth in the country in yards allowed per attempt ninetieth in quarterback rating allowed one hundredth in completion percentage allowed Chris ash needs to just like pullback on that throttle little bit pull it back I think that's an instant improvement. Otherwise switch into a a it's hard to track of all these guys switched. Four three or four to five quarters luck. Yeah. It's a four, three, four to five quarters. Look Joseph Oh. Cy could've gone pro he's going to play the Jack Position this year, which is kind of like a stand up defensive lineman. Hopefully, he can help generate more of a pass rush. otherwise, I you know I I'm in love with cadence turns we talked about that at the back end of the secondary. No disrespect to bj foster and Chris Brown they're also very good. But canes turns my boy they're all heard her I hear I know. I know everybody's hurt. They had a terrible time with injuries but. I just think focusing on the basics throttling back that aggressiveness is GonNa put Texas in a much better place defense I think that's Chris ash is going to do. I think that's all reasonable I'm I am high on Texas I don't know how high but. They've recruited so well, and they have the experience of Sam Allender and I'm worried about new coordinators on both sides in terms of just the ability to teach and learn and get reps mental reps, physical reps in spring camp and those things but I think they're going to be relatively simplified and that works when you can out talent just about everybody you play. So that's right if Texas can get out of their own way. They'll be fine. Why is Oklahoma State's offense suddenly? A question. Is that is it fair to say? That the offense is a question because. For like the last decade. It has been a powerhouse offense. Mike Gundy has continually done more with less in the talent space. It has really been his calling card for so long and I look at this team and I actually have more questions about the offense than I do I think the defense. Yeah it's where I mean the returning a lot on defense, which is why I think the questions are offense they lost Thailand Wallace last year to the season ending injury having in late October. He's back in practicing, which is great news, and so it is good news I mean obviously Shubra Hubbard is fantastic news for any team that has him in their Backfield, which Oklahoma state does. I think the problem is and it has been the the majority of the decade because of how long Mason Rudolph and you had the year of your guy, the corn dog Taylor Cornelius. Sure. Collar just running the offense for Oklahoma state the problem now is. Spent Sanders had a redshirt year. He had time to pick up some sort of offense because this will now be his third coordinator in three years. So going from your sick to. Sean Gleeson who moved onto rutgers came in from Princeton now. To Casey done who I mentioned at the top. Crazy, and it's because I've been hurt before tie. Never crazy about the ten year position coach. Finally getting a call up to coordinator, we're usually it. If you're somewhere for a long time and maybe he loved stillwater maybe got tremendous roots there I. Love You know coaching at Oklahoma State and obviously he has developed great receiver after great receiver in Stillwater but the Don pellum thing really. Warped. My brain wiring is it not? It is very much is so that's a little bit troubling to me because obviously, I think he's at overtures to be hired as a receivers coach everywhere because he's done such a good job there. So that's a little bit worrisome just Spencer Sanders because he does miss the last two or three games of the year I think with a thumb injury but he had the highest interception rates of any quarterback in the country as a redshirt freshman and. I understand you can say, okay was the first year starting he was just a redshirt freshman but usually for the sake of optimism in a conference without a ton of lockdown defenses everywhere. You want to see something and especially with the threat of Chubu Hubbard. Failed on every single snap. and. Receivers that are very good. I think I. Expected More from quarterback at Oklahoma state and that I didn't see it. I think tells me right now that Spencer Sanders, the ceiling is modest interesting. That's the Nice thing I can say that I think quarterback recruitment development, offensive coordinator hiring, and continuity I think has really. Pumped some breaks at Oklahoma state so that that has me worried I liked the receivers like the skill town around Spencer. Sanders I liked the recruiting of the skill town around Spencer Sanders. The line should be fine. I am just I'm just worried that. There's no traditional bomber to him in the way that we had with Mason Rudolph going junkier Jim Washington downfield interesting and that. That reduces them to maybe eight and four type ceiling to me. When if they had brock? Thirty. Nine and three ten to type team to me. I mean if they go eight and four, this year Bob he's working miracles to get twelve games but. You know what? I'm saying, give me the the winning percentage of eight and four or nine whatever I take a slant del it. Yeah it's. But the defense does return a ton and they returned their coordinator Jim Knowles had them. I think moving in the right direction they and whatever their schedule looks like. They're at Oklahoma forbade lum at Baylor and this is new look Baylor for sure and they host Texas so. It's it's. Okay. This is a really big year for Oklahoma stakes nineteen guys back including Shubra, Hubbard who led the nation with almost what twenty one, hundred rushing yards, something like that Thailand Wallace coming back from that acl both of those guys by the way could have declared for the draft but they didn't. and. It's like it's sort of an unsung fact about the Gundy era but he's really good at keeping guys from leaving early. And he's done it again here he's retained that three headed whatever you WANNA call it in Spencer Sanders Shoe Hubbard and Thailand Wallace. There is some depth this here behind Shuba likewise, there is some depth out wide with the likes of Dylan's donor and Brian Johnson both of whom had. Good years last year in Wallace's since. I share your skepticism though about Spencer Sanders, he was big twelve freshman of the year. To curly, he did something right? Yeah and can run sharp run. He showed improvement before missing the final two games that thumb injury. I'm always a little hesitant though what it does feel like so much comes down to one guy. And that that is partially inherent to the quarterback position I. But the interception rate was higher ago. And there was plenty of reason to I think be skeptical. Of what he might be just from the ceiling standpoint. So I'm very mixed here. I, think I share your kind of just. Uneasiness around the offense and what it can be weirdly the the defense is in such a good spot. You know like it's loaded. There's good. Lines could second year they're going to be fine. You have defense in the big twelve. That's that's a competitive advantage. No doubt. By Just a little a little. Little. Uneasy about so much being on the arm of Young. Guy Like Spencer. Sanders. Yeah, the way I see it in I mean this is really any conference. Belated. If we're talking about the big twelve today, you either have to do something. Really. You have to be twenty, nine, Nineteen Baylor where the offense is inconsistent and pretty sluggish but the defense you got a bunch of killers and they're so well coached. You know how I feel about. Phil, Snow. You run, an air raid. That's just you can't guard receivers you'd you run the hell out of the ball even Texas Texas with all of their struggles. They've lined up some killers at receiver these past few years, church they've absolutely you know they're. They're killer ability was getting the ball to some speed and space and really making teams pay. That was the best of Texas and there were what is Iowa state do great? Well, they really improve their defense and they had a wildcard quarterback and Brock party that really excited you and West Virginia had will greer and a ton of speed and a really creative offense under hall ago Right now at Oklahoma state you either have to do everything competently or you have to do something great and I don't see the pokes Doing either one of those things to be that weekly threat to anybody in the conference. Okay. Open to being wrong for sure. The one thing that they do great is run the ball and it didn't make a huge huge difference last year and so that's what concerns me that Shubra Hubbard for his runaway ability unlike any other probably other than travesty running back in the country isn't quite enough given where football is in two, thousand, twenty with how wide open and how important passing is that back that's what concerns me. I think we are like minded on Oklahoma, state Let me stick with the top tier upper crust, call it of the big twelve and. Ask about Iowa state because they really are that I think I'll just skipping over Verandahs Baylor bears in twelve championship game. Last year, we'll come back to Baylor in a second. Okay. Is Twenty twenty the year. That I was stayed finally goes from like. Being the scrappy team that scares crap out of you to. A true substantial competitor given Brock purdy given all the close loss they had. Last season is, is this the year for Matt Campbell were that transition occurs? When the when the tough got going late in two thousand nineteen Iowa state loss close. That's sort of what happened with the club seven points away from ten and two. In fourteen points away from an eleven one record and making it into that big twelve title game. Yeah I mean. The Baylor game. The Oklahoma. Comeback almost was. State? Iowa. They lose by a point. you're not wrong. So I state, they're dealing with injuries and twenty nineteen most notably think it was a shoulder injury. Greg is worth one of the absolute best safeties in the country. And Brock Party the end of and we've talked about this already but the end of that Oklahoma state game last year, we just kept throwing interceptions against. Moment you're just he's refusing the layup and it's it was a rough watch and that's all correctable. That's the good news. That's all correctable. They have a promising young running back and Bruce Hall they don't have the same. I guess level weapons on the outside, but they really strong at tight end their strong on the line. So in terms of the big humans on offense I feel good about the clowns they lose a good amount especially upfront on defense but even still there in good shape they've recruited. Well, there's a lot more depth. Ever before it's just like you mentioned it's playing four full-quarter's it's not disappearing for a quarter and a half early and then having to furiously comeback it's not coming back and then blowing it repeatedly. It's okay. You're. You're now at the stage where you're now on the stage essentially now it's time to perform. And I actually feel really good about and it's more about the context of what I talked about with the conference as a whole where there's not a lot of obvious killing units whatever that that Iowa state has the the benefit of experience of coaching of continuity. I mean it's their coordinators are both there I really like was the John Hancock who's been there. For a couple of years now and had that sort of defense that a lot of people have been copying that jamming the middle in the three to six and you know having speed all over the field. So it's he has been copied because of how? Effective that defense has been in that conference against the air raid. So there's a lot to like about Iowa state and I'm just going to be one of those people liking it especially since I think they get both Oklahoma and Baylor at home there in Austin and we're just we're working under this assumption. Once again, the the home road splits are going to remain for the big twelve, nine conference games for each team but just we don't know the order so. I think that the continuity thing the experience thing the walk before you run maybe they they were walking power walking and jogging I. Think finally in Brock parties third year as a starter I think they're ready to run if they can find a problem on the outside on offense in a good way while and they've figured out ways to create that problem on the outside. They've had them each of the years that Matt Campbell's been there. They've had to replace you know Allen Lazard or Butler like they've had to do this and they've continuously found ways to get production. Out. Wide I'm just GONNA come back to a point that you mentioned I. Think we're really going to see pay dividends. This year recruiting has been better. A lot better depth is one of those topics it never gets mentioned. It's one of the biggest differences between the top rung teams and everybody else. I will state was not there at all when Matt Campbell took over. They are not there yet but they are going in the right direction. I love their tight end Charlie caller he's Charlie Kohler and Chase Allen who's also very good. Tied position. so He's he's really bolstered that position group colour led the team in receptions last year So I. Think this is GonNa be a good team on offense. I have questions about the line. Defensively. They've got a lot coming back. We one of the best defense in the conference. If we had a rank two through four in the big twelve, do you come down on that? I would go Texas to Iowa State Three Baylor for Baylor loses so much on defense though there's so much new about Baylor I I just I have I'm not in on Baylor at all this year I was in last year I'm not this year. I know. I just I saw bad Max Dougan little to go. I. Go Texas Oklahoma State and Iowa state in that order. You like the pokes over the clones I. Think so. Okay. I, think so all right. Yeah. Just because of that. Okay. Because of that Shubra Hubbard, Thailand? Wallace Combo. Okay I, think that's close to me. Now, what brutal history between the to share my love it? Okay. What do you WanNa talk about you tell me what what questions do you have about bail? What am I not answering for you that I? Need to answer to prove my case here that they should not be in that top tier. Okay. So they obviously there the example we talked at the top about how do you take that next step Baylor was Mr Nextstep brass couple years under matt rule who damn you did a great job. In Waco. So Daveramsey GETS FIRST BIG HEAD coaching job everybody sort of thought he was waiting for an NFL job if coordinator job whatever and he ends up going to, Baylor I think is daughter ended up attending Baylor so in a way followed her I saw that story What? Given Baylor and what they returned because I, know they lose a ton on defense, which is really what led that that team to the big twelve championship game and a New Year six game. What is realistic to say, okay, this is how Dave Randa has built on the success of Matt rules. Bear squad. Yeah. Okay. Biggest issue for Baylor. And, another recurring theme is I bring this up every year I have a hard time when teams are in the situation where they. Reboot their coaching staff. Snow Advisory Tie no snow advisory. Coaching Staff rebooted they're often eleven win season a little bit of Pixie dust on that alone wins. If you close wins in there, they got the job. Okay. Don't pay no attention to the West Virginia. Game. Attention, it was a plucky team they hung in there twice with Oklahoma is a good football team matt rule really instilled that culture. That I. Think we've come to know and love about him. But The installation process for Dave Aranda is just going to be harder because of the pandemic now because they lose Denzel mims out wide a huge bright spot for their blast sees. Okay Charlie. Brewer better. Than they lose nine guys on defense. So he's he's dealing with a lot here. I think it is a step back year for Baylor. Even though Iran's a great hire. Time. You need to prepare me for that. Daily progress. He's a great hire. He's going to get things working especially on defense but. It's it's too soon to expect too much here in your what. What does that mean? Though I mean you're returning a quarterback this is a team that even. They lose starters but rotation dies play they. They won some games comfortably this. There is Matt Rule Dna to this team where before you can win close you gotTa lose closer than they win close when big in some instances. So this this is a program that has winning infrastructure have winning infrastructure. Okay. Let's start at the top. You'll go offense defense chuck broher Chuck Brewer. Chuck Brewer. Now before we get to Charlie brewer, let's talk about the line. They're wine stink last year. It. Did it did they allowed thirty eight sacks that was the worst in the big twelve? They've got a lot of turnover upfront this year you guys last year bouncing around playing different positions game in a game out the results were not great. The good news is that. Get seven guys back on the line. I hope it helps it needs to help because Charlie brewer really felt the brunt of things. He was the engine for this offense. There's there's no way around it. He led the team in rushing attempts and touchdowns and twenty nineteen. Now he's got Larry Fedora taking over the offense. And the track record is he's going to get more carries this here. Larry Fedora. Does that to his quarterbacks? He can't take that many more hits tie. The line needs to protect Chuck Brewer Chaz Brea. It needs to. I am concerned about the receiver situation. I said Denzel mims Made Charlie brewer better. He really did as you mentioned Tai Kwon Thornton am I going out of my mind? I'll go ahead. He's really good. He's very good. Okay I'm just making sure you mentioned his name because he's I think the number one receiver for Baylor. Yeah. I think I'm on board with you but. Charlie brewer is man some of those hits he was taking last year. And lied. I. Know There's some depth and interesting depth behind him but. It felt like, is this dude still be playing football? The. The concussions. I Dunno that that. That is troubling from a human level to me but I think, yes, the. The. Baylor offense should be interesting. The Baylor Baylor defense should be good to very good even with a lot of nudes in there because I imagine matt rule, it was really good at identifying talent and developing talent and Dave. Aranda has done nothing to to make me think he can't continue that. So I, I. Mean I think Baylor is going to win more often than they lose and they're going to take a step back but they are one of the probably two or three more intriguing teams in this conference to me defensively. Nine starters gone from a year ago. Ron Roberts comes over from Louisiana Lafayette they don't like you saying, Lafayette. Louisiana. I'm sorry. Louisiana excuse me. That's okay. But Robert's got a little bit of debris because he's sort of Dave Ramsey's mentor. Yeah, he is. A really good reputation defender. Defense is going to look very similar today Verandas, and if you're a bailer fan, you should be excited about these are. Awesome defenses to watch. They use a lot of versatility. You'RE GONNA see like three down linemen guys who might blitzer might drop back or play different spot on each play. And if you're Baylor Fan if you're coming off a year with. The Phil Snow Defense, which really started to click last season. turnover limits how good it can be, but I do think it's going to be a fun watch and probably a lot better. Next season. What you think the defense is to be a lot better I'm saying I think it's a step back this year Oh. Okay. Next year. Okay. Step back. This year is still fun to watch. Next year is where you see the real gains on defense interesting. Okay I'm good with that. So, not high Baylor do they win more often? Do they win six games? Six and fourteen? Yeah I think he got six four or five and five I think that kind of season for Baylor. Let's let's go to a team that we're used to discuss analog. There's a left on your side let's that we're used to discussing earlier on and that's West Virginia Oh. No we've been used to discussing West Virginia as that necessarily a perennial. Winning contender but a threat that any given week they could hang fifty and I know last year and they were a i. think a good example last year of I eight nine weeks like Ooh era some. There are some low moments at the stinker potential high stinker ceiling too high, very high stinker ceiling. Yeah. But I thought Neil Brown at a good enough job keeping players focused that they were fighting late in the season they they did see some results from that fight and even though it's been a pretty turbulent offseason for west. Virginia. There have to be pieces there. There have to be pieces in. Morgantown. That after twenty nineteen, which was a bit of a mess after after Hogan left that the fact is you're to is going to be more promising. There's more to be optimistic about near to what is that first thing To increase the number of optimistic items. Where do they? Okay. This is where we need to go. Yeah. To really get things home. It's a good question. It's a good question and it was a tough spot for Neil Brown near one. Offense was a rough watch at time. It was a scored forty points per game in twenty eighteen. And something like twenty point six in twenty nineteen in year one, hundred Neil Brown and look. That's what happens when you tweet the scheme when you stink a quarterback when you have receivers dropping balls align, that can walk. I think I saw what one hundred Something like a hundred and the S P plus. The offense was not good and it's that's not a formula for success in the big. That's an improvement from where it was two thirds of the you know late October whatever exactly. Exactly. So I almost view year to as year one and a half I think job one is building on the experienced that you build up your one. Find a way to get more fundamentally sound because it's still a young team Dan they're still learning a new system. Sure I. Think it helps jared digging built some momentum at the end of the season last year. this is a young wide receiver core. A lot of those guys are back including Sam James who had. A crazy hundred eleven targets as a freshman. which is saying sil- yeah he's back that'll help. Job To is figuring out how to get more out of the running game. Because on a per basis. This is like the worst ground came in America wasn't the worst. At least not in every metric, but they were really bad on a per play basis from an efficiency standpoint they stunk. Rushing unit. the gotTa get more there because this is not a situation where your quarterback is going to be good enough to power the whole offense he's going to need some help in the in the in the ground game right. So you're taking had moments him moments I liked jared Dougie but he he just needs more help. Needs more help. They found him. Austin Kendall still there by the way he could still reclaimed job but I. Got To be the guy. I. Think that Hocus. Defensively We talked about the caning thing. No, longer defensive coordinator dismissed after some insensitive actions particularly around racial injustice. How that affects the defense remains to be seen I think this is again going to be the better side of the football for the mountaineers I like Darius Dante steals the brothers stills in the middle. Yeah. Still the strength of this defense linebacking core looks okay to me Josh had a really good years a sophomore second in the team in tackles. Secondary kind of a mess. I don't know if we see a ton of improvement from West Virginia. I think they build on their experience from year ago I. Think another year under Neil Brown is GONNA help I'm looking for gains next year. Make next year is year where we start to see a little bit more movement forward but you're saying twenty, twenty, one, twenty, twenty, one yeah. Just got not not enough here for me not enough meat on this bone yet to get too excited about seeing a big jump in in year two. Home. Road splits looked pretty good though right they get. Oklahoma Baylor and that's not bad. It's not bad. Okay well, that's that's something I mean you promise at quarterback defense being ahead of the offense I generally like because that shows efforts. It's hard. You know if your defense is a nightmare generally means there's almost no buying no effort. So I like that element of things for West Virginia, and now it's going to be a strange year whatever it looks like and perhaps because this is what it was Kansas State Beats Oklahoma than immediately goes and loses to West Virginia. So maybe it's an opt opportunistic fall for the ears they seem to be at the center of Weirdness Allot man that's that's my hope. And look there were some games here for West Virginia went. In and effort it was it was there for this team last year it really was Baylor, very close loss we alluded to it in the beginning. Taylor was the team B K Stay K. State was a bowl team. Yes. They were within one score of Oklahoma state they BTC to close out the year so was not closed. Well, it was not for lack of trying it's just. He's trying to build something new I. Think we both have a lot of faith in Neil. Brown. Did Great Troy I. Think he's going to do good things at West Virginia but it's GonNa take some time to get there and I i. hope they give them a long enough leash. I. Think they will yeah I they have a it's a a do drought right now West Virginia it's would be. Speaking of do droughts I'm ready. I don't I don't know where you're going with the segue but I hope it some very uncomfortable sponsorship or just you're changing the subject away from college football entirely. All right. Hit Me. Kansas. Oh, we can't even talk Kansas State before Kansas Kansas. Because Kansas State. Also kind of has a do drop but okay we can talk Kansas where is where is the opportunity for realistic? Growth. From Kansas standpoint. There they've got to win shoot outs. If, they're able to win shootouts, which is something we say about a lot of teams when we preview them come July. August and it's not a really. It's a it's a backhanded compliment because it says, well, I don't know if things get really weird it's fifty eight to fifty four maybe you're the fifty eight. It's not a great thing but the fact is I like their offensive coordinator they made the switch to Brent bearman early are. Through through yeah and it worked it worked until it didn't at times. But yeah, I mean now they're replacing Carter Stanley and it's I think it's miles Kendrick Thomas make vide-. Battling it out for the starting job the skill towns. Good. The skill talent is good I really like Andrew Parchment, the receiver I think behind Thailand Wallace sees the leading receiver. So he's the second receiving second leading returning receiver. My English is all skew their So there is on offense there's some promising off offensive lines on me. Great. But if they're able to with Brent airman's rpo like they were able to do especially against Texas and that was that was I opening. Fifty to forty eight? In a loss in a losing effort but all the same. Kansas can channel that it's a real coaching staff. They are less miles as is trying he's trying they're gonNA take a while still just because things are so backward and Lawrence If one of these quarterbacks works out it's something. Can they win? Can they go three and seven? I, don't know. Just. Yet I don't know they're going to have to win those shoots. They're going to have to hope for an injured quarterback or to making the schedule interesting than it looks right now but I think that's what it is. I. Think if it's going to be an interesting rpo based offense for Kansas and. At least something that is at least something that we can say. Okay. Kansas has gone from embarrassing to more often than not entertaining. That's the step forward I can see happening one one interesting name that you did not mention is Jalen Daniels. Okay. jalen manuals is there freshman quarterback recruit? Okay. As of a couple of weeks ago, he was still kind of quasi a contender for that starting quarterback position this fall. And Brent, German. History with Gus Malzahn compared him to Nick Marshall I saw athlon compared said these the handpicked quarterback of the future I don't know what that means for Kansas but I am interested to see if they decide to play the true freshman at any point in time, take their lumps now to build for more of a promising future that that that's kind of the question here it appears like miles is playing long con- Tai I have I have breaking news for you that they're gonna take lump either way. Well, they're going to take the way. But you know it less miles is open to given the younger guys time. It Got Puka Williams a bright spot, but I'm most interested in seeing. Are they going to play a true freshman quarterback? He may be the best fit for that scheme that anyone else on the roster. Just entertain me that's all I want. All right. Holiday I'll let you fill in your your loved I. Sell me, on TCU. Okay, let's let's let's not bring a motion to tie. Let's rational though let's be pragmatic. I don't know why you're. So in love with Tcu I honestly don't get it I. Don't know why you keep falling for the frogs I mean Fort Worth is great. All four works I like color purple is fine I like that there's the murder frog and you have like the frog had the rose and the mouths for the rose bowl that's all good. What, what has gone wrong and it just seemed like they were they were there another not now what is what is gone wrong? I don't think they hit five hundred last year not a bowl team. I feel like. Kerry Patterson has recruited pretty well to Fort Worth. He's developed guys. We see them drafted first second third round Matt Team especially that defense every year but sometimes offense. What is What happened? It's it's such a good question. I'm never inclined to say it's talent thing with Gary. Patterson. Because why doesn't anybody in the big twelve? Have A frigging quarterback other than Oklahoma? Know, what happened I don't know. But you know like the talent thing with Gary Patterson. I, his calling cards always been developing talent. He turns stars into five stars. That's his. That's his thing. So I I think the talent is there. I think I think it's A combination of scheme inexperienced last year know. TCU was sort of the Anti Baylor in a sense because Baylor want a bunch of one score games. TCU lost six of them including one against Baylor. They were good enough to be in the close games against better teams they just couldn't close. And you point to a bunch of reasons for that for one, it took them about a month to figure out that Max Doug and should be their quarterback. Played the back half of the season as the primary quarterback against the better teams in the big. Twelve. and. It was Rocky Reich's was he's a freshman, but he just gave them more. And that was good. That's a building block. The combination though of the musical quarterbacks. And whatever scheme they tried that affect Jalen rigor user, best offensive weapon they couldn't get him the ball eight targets catch rate under fifty percent. Some of that's on him mind you but he just wanted to see more out of Jalen regular. So sure while the offense was inconsistent. And the defense is pretty good again. Just. gave a ton of big plays. That's the some combination of all those things really did him in. And especially in a conference like the big twelve or got big plays like. Just. If they were gonNA rely mostly on their defense, they couldn't give up those big plays. They couldn't be felled by the big play and all too often they were. So now moving forward. Patterson's philosophy is to go back to the well. I'm always mixed on this. I don't know how feel they're bringing doug meets him back. You're pairing him back up with sunny cumby. They're also adding Jerry, kill to the mix is like this awkward third wheel. Okay I don't mind it good coach though the one point version of the Mitcham Cumby Combo had really good results. We'll see how it goes is time around it hurts to lose your top two running backs from a year ago but I I feel like they should really good quarterback back then by the way it's really quarterback. Yeah. That's what I'm saying. I'm just a modal leery on this. Yeah. It hurts when you lose your top two running backs from your ago, there's probably enough talent to make it work. The running back room is crowded with Darwin Barlow and. Foster and Deamer Kado in Richardson Miller like they got guys and it's the same deal out why they got a bunch of rising juniors with speed day barbers guy to watch. They're going to stretch field more like. They just weren't explosive last year. The caveat is at the line has to hold for Max Dougan. Lose Four. Guys. Up Front. That's the big question on this offense. He can ask whatever you want about the scheme and how the three ring circus is GonNa work with offensive coaches but the biggest question for me is. What are they gonNA do about that one it all starts up front for TCU. This year. Are you worried that they're becoming sort of? Lonestar, WHO's that? They're becoming like the the Virginia era of? Win Six or seven games and others. Attend game season they win five, six, seven games and they have three. You know top to round picks like they had was what Jalen Rigor and Jeff Glad me last year they first round picks last year. Yeah. WE'RE VIRGINIA RANDOM LEADS, brick Shaw Ferguson, or Chris Long or whatever they don't translate having. Developing individual pockets of their team into really top level players into wins that concern I it feels like year-over-year they're just keep. First Pick TCU SECOND ROUND PICK TC and they're not turning those pockets of talent into anything I. Don't know if you ever watch top chef but all the time they'll stay was okay like these grilled peaches are transcendent. Where's like? Why couldn't you turn the whole plate into this magic? So that to me feels like year-over-year just doesn't. Him In the big twelve doesn't feel like they've had that quarterback and You know when they had the quarterback, they were really good Kenny. Trill was only okay is. But when they've had the quarterback, they've been fine. It's just getting that quarterback has been an issue. You can say about everybody by saying about everybody. No, that's fair. TCU's case. It just feel like we've constantly been waiting for that quarterback and defense has been continually pretty good. Four to five the. A lot of defensive backs out there flying around. He's got two good ones and trevon morgue. Are Darius Washington, Garrett Wallow one of the better linebackers in college football, just a lot of ammo of. In that back seven, it's GonNa make them really good again. They lose Ross blacklock the NFL they're going to need more pass rush this year out of guys like Oh Sean Mathis and they're not the deepest along the line, but they should be. They should be fine. You mentioned you know some other losses in the defensive backfield but I, I think they'll be fine across the board I. Just you know it's a mental exercise to not get too excited about. TCU. This year. And every year I love the defense at like Max Dougan, I have questions about pretty much everything else the only thing that I am certain of this team. Okay, going to be better than last year. They're going to be better than last year they have to know what it is i. Man They're just such a sometimes team. There's like how how do you sometimes their defense is good I know how Stephanie Sometimes Darius Anderson goes off and has an amazing game and they're pretty good. They're just a sometimes team like they all start and end dating somebody on Friday nights totally affects them week to week. There are like seven three this year. For several team. Seven three, six four. What is so appreciably different from a team that did make a bowl last year a lot of close losses year ago I think that has to around. Okay. The defense is still going to be very good and it's another year Max Dougan. Okay did Max Doug and really get you going. There were flashes with. Max. Okay There were flashes when when players are described as Gutty or gamers without actually taking it to somebody for four quarters I. The sort of. Positioning of how he described players is worrisome when it's not oh yeah. That dude went off that do just absolutely obliterated that team if they don't have a game like that and it's just Max Doug and just seems like a guy, I hope he's more than that this season but that's what he appeared to be as if as a freshman, you're not you're generally by the end of your freshman year when they're some talent around you which Tcu at town around him if the if it's just fi share flash there I just I want. A. Flashlight TIE FLASH THE WAY, yeah All right. Let's talk about K. State. Okay I would love to I have K. state thoughts case state beat Oklahoma. and. Then they scored more than thirty points only against Kansas. Yes. Including twenty in losing effort to West Virginia at home. What are the tea leaves for this twenty twenty offense New Faces. Will. They have more pop? How. Do you feel about your to under? Chris Climbing. A little worried a little worried. I'm not worried about the defense even though they replace Scottie Hazelton, the coordinator who left follow. Mel Tucker to Michigan State promoted from within. There's a lot of continuity of Kansas state and I was I was really encouraged by year one, the results that they were able to. It was like they were hitting corners tie baseball analogy they weren't throwing ninety nine. They didn't have a crazy hooking curve or a the diving slider maddox out there. Lot of Greg Maddux. The, Oklahoma game was obviously terrific. They took advantage of Oklahoma mistakes like good teams do they were able to make plays in big moments scholar Thompson you know picking up First downs with his legs whatever it was encouraging they lose a lot on offense everywhere and in the specific context of twenty twenty and not having that much time to get in reps with new receivers. Josh, Youngblood had the kick return against Texas he is. He's a top end speed dude he is is encouraging I. Did see a story that he actually with Chris climate during the spring after surgery had a fantastic time. I I'm really hopeful that dude's emerged but I use that phrase problem problem a few weeks ago on a show and to be clear that is a team that has a problem because they don't have enough problems on their roster for others. I screwed that up didn't tonight. It's okay. It's okay. It's passed. It were passed it Josh youngblood could be smaller dude but that's okay. He has that high end speed. He could be a problem I just don't see guys on this offense where a defensive coordinator Jim Knowles in Oklahoma State or John Hancock at at Iowa state or like I'll man, what do we do with this guy? What do we do at this guy and Schuyler Thompson's fine. But. Dangerous is not necessarily adjective. I would associate with them so. The new line it's it's a distant distant new offense in general and I'm worried now. The back end of their defense is largely intact They've got a really good Russian and white Hubert one of the best in the country the defensively up front though they do make some changes on the line just in terms of new starters, they were a little loosey Goosey against the run that concerns me somewhat about Kansas State, but in terms of continuity in a weird. Year there is a lot to like about Kansas state still that they were so good on defense on third down that they were able to get off the field. They won a lot of interesting moments as we saw especially in that Oklahoma Game. But if they had that problem putting points on the board keeping drives going finding mismatches on offense those last four, five, six games. I don't know if I necessarily see that improving in an obvious way in two thousand twenty. So I think it's probably more of the same or a step back but still in every game because they're so well coached and so disciplined. So yeah, at six and four season feels about right and they're not going to get blown out of the water by anybody. It almost feels like year two could be the transition year. You expect it near one. Year to could be that year for Chris Climbing Really inexperienced on offense this is a team that definitely would have benefited from a spring from a more traditional preseason where he weren't afraid to go near. People. They rely gone benefit from that The line has to replace almost everybody interestingly enough one factoid that only interest Tom Hammond. I'm ready even even more interesting than my Josh youngblood lived with the climate family. This spring will stick with Josh Rivas. He was an all big twelve or along the line despite not starting a single game. They move around doing that. And he's going to be obviously starting this year, but they got to find the other four guys around him up front just a lot of turnover here. I see the step back year as well. I. Think Chris Climbs a really good coach. Really Arch. At Iowa state at Oklahoma and at Baylor just in terms of how the the road home splits workout. Yeah and just as like an experiment goes, I think he was able to prove out that his North Dakota state system can translate to the FBI's level. Coaches with them yeah. So. I feel optimistic about this program. Longer term I think he's a good guy for this program but. If develop a quarterback. If they develop a quarterback, they're going to be in such in this is again like I said before anybody can say this but I think the Infrastructure Manhattan is particularly interesting. So I think there are really intriguing things to come for the cats and they're upgrading facilities are trying to build something around him. Yeah. I like it do like it. Great. Same page tie. Do you WanNa talk about. Texas? Tech. I would love to. So the Alan Baldwin there's no more jet Duffy. We know this that he just Alan Bowman has been just flat out on lucky injury wise. Are there pieces are there stretches are their units? Are there groups Is there something about twenty? Nineteen that tells you twenty Twani? They have these. TON OF WEIRD Games in two thousand nineteen. So is it like a bounceback thing where? The Universe is going to even out for for the Red Raiders and finally Alan Colmes can be healthy. What is Gimme Gimme some optimism yeah. For people in Lubbock foreign aid a year ago God that Kansas, law. So I understand that pessimism they matt, wells over from Utah State. They did lose. Four Games by a field goal or less, and that includes loss at Baylor and at home against K.. State. Again, a bowl team. They were not as bad as therefore nate record. Which I take as a positive. And when British comedy legend Alan Bowman is not injured. Especially pairing him up with TJ Bashar out wide I feel really optimistic about the passing game. They're full on good. Their full album is a full on good quarterback and I liked the transition to more of a balanced offense. I think it's a welcome change because tech has almost become a caricature of itself over these last I don't know however many years that we've seen air raid after area after area. I'm not saying this is not air raid, but it's a little bit more on the balanced side of the. Equation. Right. Plus look. David Joost their offensive coordinator. Hair he has tirade hair hair. He has like a mix between. Boris Johnson and Harry done something else. It's hard not to be optimistic about that. So I am optimistic because it's year two of that system Alan Bowman is presumably healthy their abilities not his thing so far but he's got a ton of talent. I think he can have a lot of success in this system definitely more balanced than the one. They read a year ago. TJ VASSAR is one of those one of those dudes targeting six six, a mountain of a man. I think he can be a walking highlight reel. So I'm optimistic about that. Defensively I. led the nation in takeaways per game. They play a hyper aggressive system under Keith Patterson. And I people have mixed thoughts about him but yeah, I know. But that's fun. Just that mentality is fun that attacking aggressive mentality that we often like to make fun of that's fun. At for and it worked at Utah State really really. Well in that final season huge results, there is a lot of returning production on defense as well. you I Howard up front. He was all conference last year not great. They lose Jordan Brooks to the NFL. linebacker, but the cupboard at linebacker is not bear. They're going to be okay there. So, you know combined with what is it? Three defensive backs? Yeah. Three defensive backs. Who are returning on defense I feel optimistic that the defense can take another step forward but Reason for optimism if only because it's year to under. Matt Wells and I think he's a good coach. For. Pessimism everything else is a reason for pessimism. Everything. Else is a reason for pessimism. Yeah it was rough. I mean. Yeah the inability to close out games in it's jet Duffy. So they didn't want to start him over Alan Bowman obviously. So what whatever Texas tech like wasn't fully in Jet Duffy had incredible moments at the same time. So you hope with health you hope with universe balancing out, they could go five and five something like that where they're just an entertaining team in games as much as they are. On, top as as much as I guess, just coming up short something like that. I, don't know. I WANNA I WANNA be more optimistic about tech. I I do so be more optimistic and I still think that this is probably an above average team like I think if we were in a normal year where bowl eligibility was. You know six wins I think they will get to bowl eligibility. So I think in that sense, they take a step forward. But it's still a long way to go here. To be honest. Events was go on. Their defense was a full on nightmare a few years ago, and now they are simply average ish maybe below average and so and they take they take the ball. That's fun. They take the ball away, which is if you're if you can't tackle the open-field consistently, if you can't figure out coverage is consistently that's a good consolation ties no argument for me the talent level needs to be a little bit higher and I. If they're healthy on offense and by the way, nobody ever mentions TJ Basha without mentioning his height. So six to that that group, of People Ya I've heard six seven times during broadcasts by. Now, I text in a pretty good place just because. Alan Bowman healthy at his best is. One of the three best quarterbacks in this conference for yeah, yeah, and that's that's a good starting points I like it's going to be a whitening. We saw the the success Jordan love had at Utah State in this system David I mean the reason we call James Franklin casual dress. James Franklin is because of that David, Yo stuff and so or partial David Yosef and so I am. I'm optimistic. There's me entertainment I'm going to be optimistic and turnover random. They're going to leave the country and takeaways again but you know I, I like that aggression and I think they're going to be in most of their games which we'll have me watching and if Alan Colmes should get hurt again which we're not rooting for no. His backup is a redshirt freshman by the name of Maverick McIvor. I did see that year over here. The text quarterback names are just incredible. Truly incredible. Yeah. So, we'll see. Yes. Give me your top five to close it out here in the big twelve rank your top. Oklahoma Texas. Iowa states I don't remember what I said before. I think. Baylor Oklahoma state. While you're bealer. I think there's GonNa be a lot of six and four or five, and five, four and six in there with a lot of tiebreaker type stuff I could I could also throw Kansas state in there Yeah I think I think we're going to have a lot of middle class. I'm. GonNa go Oklahoma Texas Oklahoma State Iowa State and God. TCU. Wow would it be full on strange of Oklahoma did not win the conference? No. Oh okay. I think it will be. It would feel awkward I still think they've got the highest level of talent of any team in the conference. But You know the quarterback thing is an open question. Yeah. The I think it's I think. I. It's possible. I think teams like. Like Texas have enough talent that they contend. I don't think they are nearly. As reliable at this point but it helps to have the best quarterback in the conference. Pure. Weight you think Sam Allender the best quarterback in the conference yeah. Interesting Okay I. Hope The SAM stinker does not. Hold Texas from your your potential hope here. Okay. Great. Cool. We can. I can I finish the show with one more question lease On instagram, you should be following verbal on instagram today. I. Posted if you're eating takeout this fall on Saturdays and have to choose three APPs from the following APPs tie. This is an encouragement for everybody to follow instagram. Just dope content like this. Choose three of these appetizers tie. Now you have to consider. How well they'll travel picking up the car up at home styrofoam whatever plastic container the comment. Fried pickles. Wings. guacamole onion rings, deviled eggs, Mozzarella sticks, Caso Nachos tots, case dea intend on what you expect to receive is. pull up our, instagram right now, tie. It's Graham Dot com slash soliver. You should be following I. Hope you're following tie I am I really really do. All right. So let's see pick three of them. Take three of these. Okay well I. AM always partial to Nachos. You have many does here in the NACHOS do they travel? Do they travel? They don't travel, but they don't travel now is we're not going to be watching games in bars this fall I would say Casey as one in that sense. A good pick. One probably, tots to. And Eggs that does not travel I just love deviled eggs. That's why deviled eggs I love don't travel. Yeah. They don't travel correct like the Miami Fan Base WHOA. We'll go I'm still going to go nachos three. Still going to go now chat three. Casey D. as tots nachos three. I would probably put Mozzarella sticks because structural integrity and crunch. Yeah putting Mozzarella sticks in there but you know, I'm GonNa, go freckles, tots and season for now I already have the top for potato. I'M GONNA go wings freckles tots. All right well covered a lot of ground on the show. I'm glad we did a longer episode than usual. We hope you all enjoyed it. We hope y'all have a great weekend. Next week, we will be making some announcements about our fantasy things show which typically. 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"Them to the shutdown full cast, you're listening to the Sada's tones of myself. Spencer Hall. On the Internet's only college football podcast, I am joined tonight as always by my co host Jason Kirk Jason, how we doing tonight I'm doing fantastic buddy. How are you? I'm doing well see through to you and I remembered it I caught it I received it but here's here's the thing we're running. We're running an option. So now I'm going to pitch it because we are joined tonight by two very special guests we're joined by Holly Anderson and Ryan Nanny Hey everybody. Hey good evening. It's a thrill to be here. Wait which one of us so you throwing it to. Be Back. Fall jets we went multi. Like Liberty, university. And we're. Also, liberty also like Liberty University. Who is the most carefree untroubled soul on the Liberty University campus this week Hugh Hugh further res. Hugh, I know we've suggested this before. I. Know You Search Your Name. So you're going to hear this. This would be a really excellent time to do some crimes. You know what's great is somebody on that campus. Has Receiving invitation to like a cookout or whatever thrown by Hugh freezing Jerry Falwell and they didn't go and now they're thinking like. was that. That wasn't but what was Of. Course it was. Yeah maybe I. Mean they're thinking wow, I missed on a really rowdy time with. The President of Liberty University. Okay when you find out somebody in your social circle. has gone multiple or and or are swingers. then. There's an audit, your brain undertakes. Of every single social interaction one is ever had with these people and thought that most part is still this is silly because for the most part you and I'm speaking to the listeners are not that attractive. That's the thing that's the thing I've had I've had this conversation with other people to go? Yeah, I. I don't know we knew this couple of. This is just a version of discovering that your friend is gay and be like Oh. Do you WanNa fuck me? No, you're not that hot. Jerry. Falwell's not that attractive. The Hugh freeze is incredibly attract. No. Oh, dear God. I thought this week that you heard about all this went. cur waved cartoon beaver. Again sorry that he thought well, sex Mbeki's presents. Hey. Hey. Hey. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on. Hang on hang on. You freeze it looks like Funke's. Let's talk about buggies nuggets. Good. Oh, goodness. Hey come. With it it Looks Warner Oh God. Oh No no, no no Oh yes. That is he did literally. Oh Hell. Yes. You did literally run on that party dress. He did literally round the corner out against cover against man coverage didn't he? It. was. Cover one I think I think that's zone coverage I. think he understands like Hey. LINEBACKER stays down in the box I stay high. The reader who referred to this is the Tampa three. Running levels. Option routes Galore. All right we got that out of our systems absolutely. No, we did. I did think this week the Jerry falling. This week though that hugh freeze heard about this and thought well, you know that isn't exciting situation. Why is he meant? Brown when he's It no he. Dollars. He does that thing where he's like I'm such a lunatic and so deeply crazed and said that I have to slow down my talking well, they both leave early. Night everybody goodnight. Yeah I guest on this podcast. Goodness goodness what start what a start to the football season for the liberty flames that the president of the university has one. been. accused. By somebody of being recruited to be the third. In their couple which you know hey, if you do that, that's cool. It's not cool. That's against the bylaws of university and you're just out there doing it yourself and also you're the son of the founder of the moral majority et Cetera built your whole empire on this. It's not really cool if it's against the bylaws of Your University of but it's incredibly funny if you've based your career on yelling at other people for doing that. Yeah. Yeah or potentially been blackmailed into endorsing a presidential candidate because anyway. Oh we haven't even gotten to the medical device fraud yet portion of this. Story for another day and we'll bring on Bryan Floyd to tell you all about it. Additionally, that in all of this. That free man how many years? Have have it liberty now if he's just trauma free, he's just drama free doesn't do anything to how how much how much longer can he stick around there? Yeah. If he's just quiet. A long time he doesn't want to stick around there. This is his Rehab Tour Oh. We Are you asking how long? How much? Going to regret this how much leash does he have? Regretted told you that? Situation. was there any circumstance in which he would get have gotten in trouble before like regardless of what he was up? Yeah Yeah. I guess already absolute anarchy. How much I mean if how much wilder can it possibly get if he'd show his support for black lives matter he might have gotten in trouble. Yeah. That's just just there on that out there. That is I it boggles the mind when I really try to pack it all in. That didn't come out right. It is so difficult to talk about liberty and. If there's one neither one of you said come again and that's One thing I've learned through listening to the past thirty six hours of these jokes is that we need to rename several football concepts. DISAG- No. There are so many sexy football concepts route combos alone smash. Smash, yeah a cover to. The FLEX BONE JOKES Not. Even the dive man. I enjoy football jokes put over to to sex jokes. That's my favorite direction of. Here's what I'm excited about is that some people let their children listen to this podcast and I know this already happened but I know at some point they've like. Tom Time and listen to this podcast I. That was on accident. They've had to die for the radio dial in the car off Josh Go God. Must Stop. Now, I'm doing this for going on a decade. This is now your fault. So the way I see it is we cannot be blamed for the existence of liberty. University. No, we cannot. What are we? What are we gonNa do not talk about Liberty University it's not our fault it exists no fair and. Our best to undo that personally if let's face it if we the full caster over here, doing our dirty business in your over in the corner listening. Should've flavor so far in this episode, we have told her our listeners they're not attractive and they are Jerry I didn't say that. They're all beautiful but you agree that they're jacking in in the Corner Look I. Remember how that went arbitrators. Our readers please have a diverse skillset are very, very there multiple so to speak. And I have no doubt that some maybe in the corner, some may be in the thick of it. If. You will That's fine. They're capable of a lot of things. They're wonderful people and we thank you for listening or participating and listening. Maybe doing, why are we matter Jerry Falwell for social distancing? I thought we were supposed. To get socially distance. I got tell you one other thing I bet you. He had a mask on. Fidel you. Now. Mask of Ronald Reagan's face but. I learned you can reach me at Ryan Dot Nanny at patient dot com emails email weren't finally went one for the Gappor. Jesus Christ. Would you like to hear a truly alarming thing? I. Guess The point. Yeah. Let's start right now college. College football if my notes, right. is going be played. A week from Thursday. No. They're they're two games on the schedule. Hang on. Let's let's. Back it up back it up. Back it up as you say we are. So so this Saturday in fact. Ost. Central Arkansas. One football on ESPN this is all right espn that on their schedule. I'm looking at Lsu DOT. Frustrating but I thought what you're getting at is emotionally on the calendar right now, we should be looking to see which Thursday night Georgia state football contest we are going to attend. You know which which early season Kennesaw state games we're going to try to get together for and. Kind of glance with dread to see oh Jesus who South Carolina got in week one like that is that is where our body clocks should be at this time. I. Mean the good news is South Carolina doesn't have anybody in week one or week to pick. Three and that leads to the very funny thing that I discovered tonight. Still the AP poll, the preseason people came out. And I will preface this by saying that I have mostly been converted to Jason's view. Of the AP poll, which is that while it is not necessarily a useful. Tool it is a helpful historical measurement because it's one of the few that sort of like. Exists mostly unchanged. Multiple decades this year however, it's total weightless. You mean, like the parameters the polar mostly unchanged or you mean that USC is always ranked no matter what it's a little bit above. Standardize across era and and like basically nothing in college football. Besides. The people is, and also if you look at the end of the season, one of the best predictors as to which teams were good is the preseason people like we complain about it every year, but it's pretty good. For Twenty twenty. Half, the teams are not going to play football. Yeah. So so the AP has done an interesting thing with the preseason poll they ranked a bunch of teams I think nine hundred in the top twenty five that are not playing big ten and PAC twelve teams and they've put asterisks on them and they've said. After the game started the first time for some y'all. After the game start, these teams are not gonna be ranked anymore. So immediately, they've said. There's going to be massive upheaval. Here's the funnest AP's version of basically saying, don't add us right like you have. So here's what AP preseason poll has. It has like I said, I think nine teams that aren't playing it all it has seven SEC teams, none of whom are playing until. What's basically week for? Twenty six. So there's going to be. A long stretch of the season where like Lsu and Alabama and Georgia are all zero zero and these are teams that are in like the top ten top fifteen right now. But like they have to do something with them and it's normally there is a little bit of a gap like not everybody starts on weeks ago not even necessarily starts on week one. But this is like you're talking about a month where the pole is gonNA keep coming out and you're GONNA see like. To Alabama zero zero after week three. It's GonNa be great and people are GonNa like people will be mad at all. Your. So you're you're looking forward to the point in time where Alabama is not being dropped after some quality wins or losses by other teams despite not playing a game yet yes. I. Think. That's going to be fun showing will either that or because like if it were just group of five teams playing early. Maybe, this maybe like they just say, well, yeah, we don't really care about you don't pay attention to you anyway, and this is the most transparent way we can make that happen but because the big twelve in the ACC will have gotten going. Like Texas Tech might be might say you know. We're queuing. Oh. And Texas A M's zero zero. How the hell are we still behind them? What do we have to do here? And they might jump them at that point and then taxes amen is going to be furious. This is kind of a semi throwback thing. I'm trying to find a good old season with rankings like this, where like there was a zero zero team in week two or three that was in the top ten Regarding, a bunch of weird old shit all at once like some teams playing two games schedules. Yeah. We did that in eighteen eighty S. And like some teams getting started in August another getting started in October like we have done that they're all over worst ideas are happening at. Once there are a couple of teams that have like double opponents, right like the thing liberty. Hurricane Seasons No. Because then you mostly just get like one game dropped. Yeah. We're like moved or whatever, and it doesn't end up being a huge delta cool. Yeah that that that just like screws ucf out of. The opponent that's. All I'm hearing by the way that Austin p. this is your moment. That's right Stewart. Also. Arkansas is somehow playing. Let's see the Central Arkansas scheduled. So not only are they playing Austin P. to open the season and they might close the season as well. They also have the I, F, B. S game of the year against UAB. Also, they're dumb asses decided to play North Dakota state if I'm not on. Yes. That's that's great. Yeah go and. They're also they're also playing Arkansas state. Awesome idea they're they're going to the wood chipper to play North Dakota State trae lances only game of the year. That's right. That's right that's trying to lance has millions of dollars on the line. trae. Lance has millions of reasons to destroy Central Arkansas these folks, Love Football Central Arkansas, the football loving people on. Earth. My favorite. Right now is air force has two games on the schedule there in the mountain west, the mountain West is canceled Air Force and we're GONNA do some stuff anyway they play I think maybe I in early October I'm going to double check that. And then they play army. And that's it. The. Army. Navy and did they play Army October Commemorative wargames poster my this November seven, th army. That's it. and. Army and navy army has like nine home games at this player something I Ryan, have you looked at the calendar does it say November seventh army football game or are we into some jade helm shit again you know it doesn't. It doesn't. It doesn't specify. It really does like looking at Lsu football lake Basically after the first couple of days in November there's just nothing which. Could be accurate. Chilling. homefield apparel. Liberty University album that is not sold by homefield apparel because home field apparel only sells incredibly comfortable collegiate redoing that right now we I mean we're already in it. Yeah. Offer, code full cast at home feel payroll dot Com twenty percent off slippery rock. Horn I WANNA go find upon this slippery rock we CAN BUILD A CHURCH SLIP Beaten us to it. Sure. Is All over the place. So okay, here it is. So, home field is doing big new Saturday every Saturday from now for the next four or five months or it's a long time. They have a lot of schools lined up there announcing. They're doing a top seven. I assume that's because the twitter graphic won't hold more than that or may still feel like counting not gonNa Fault them for that. They've only done seventy is that trum seven is sacred and numerology Ryan please don't bring it up again I apologize for the big new series. Okay. Okay. So they're doing rankings of how many what the total sales are for each team on its launched just on the Saturday that launches. If big new Saturday had a college football playoff. Your top four teams would be pit Virginia. Tech Yukon and slippery rock I would watch this play off it would be excellent. More teams are coming they basically already tipped like at least one that's coming but there are. There are schools that I think we all know are coming that should challenge I think for at least that top four. Oh if if the second SEC school that I've heard is accurate it's going to be a barn burner. It should at least one coming that God. I. If they don't beat slippery rock, then there's a problem I agree. But that said I don't like are they going to put up Yukon numbers? going. I mean, no one has. said that in the positive sense ever do any of these programs have the Nash, the National Reach and love that our idiot football show has put behind. Not that I can go see them even a pit Darisi I mean that's number one. That's mountain buddy. Yeah. Pits the final boss here. You you got a problem. I don't care slippery rock. I'm not taken in as an excuse. We're well, we're FC, I don't care. So as you say this now the pit deal is the reason we started recording episodes again Yup I really want to thank hail pit for that always however. I would say this I would laugh if that SEC program debuted. Be Pits record and then hit had a sudden resurgence, the following Saturday even without announcement. That people just showed up and they're like, no, we gotta put back thrown. It's. Too, I think technically this would have to involve time travel but pit has done it before pit we'll do it again. So, yeah, you keep an eye out for big new Saturday, use the offer code forecast that gets you twenty percent off in the meantime you can already buy a shirt that has Iraq wearing a fur coat. Yeah. You can you can buy that there are several uconn Husky sad husky options there's also like They have what I call Farah Faucet Husky which sort of like the big more blown out look like that is like equally sad that I know exactly what you mean to. It's no, it's. It's it's the full big blow blowout one. Very, Faucet esque. And then there's the Virginia Tech Classic Horse on a treadmill. I'm not making that up. The running. Yeah. That's that's that's with the pals over at the ply. On A. Treadmill. On a treadmill. On a treadmill that kind of fits into the shutdown forecast. Damn. Carson is right under. Started that way too high. It's okay. We'll go with Ya. Is this where we reveal the mistaken identity that you experienced recently? No. Yeah. Paul go ahead. I'll let you tell it. You're the one you're it's your story. I can't take you know that that's the point I have to let you tell it will know the difference God damn it like if I tell it, it's mean what's the I don't know the cost someone say it. The context is I have just spent the past week in Tennessee helping my parents move and at one point I had the full cast golf disasters episode playing while I was packing a box. And my mom rolled through and Said something like. That never happened to you and I said what? And she said that thing you just said Ryan was telling a story. Got Lady Voice. My own mother I mean, do I have am I a tenor? Maybe. I don't know. I I'm not sure which one of us should be more affronted. But thanks, it's. It's definitely me. That's fine. Why do I imagine that? When riot eventually opens his out the Sing Karaoke with me listening he's going to have a thunderous Basso. He's going to sound like terrible news. You're be so you're GONNA you know you're going to sound like the leasing, Interpol? Hello. I I. Do have other Ryan. Any News, a rewatch of the sopranos has reminded me that. Do age age as a dead ringer for you middle for God. Dammit Oh man has ryan out suffered enough in the last like three minutes. It's there. And I gotta say, it's not entirely unflattering. Occasionally you know like you look at you like. Handsome young man there. You just got through watching the episodes where AJ has slipknot jacket. Are you sure it's not entirely unflattering buying Ryan. A slipknot jacket is what I wanted to say this is not a lot. I don't feel like the kind at hot topic, right? Oh No, this is some sort of special order shouldn't do. We're we're getting Ryan into new metal is what I'm hearing. Oh. So getting him in. Ben Son. That man's from Tampa. He's got A. Nice school he's got a deaf tones tramp stamp. Let's let's let's tears off. The deaf tones are the unslinging durable. Of those bands, they are very good. I do have by the way one reject Gulf story that was not submitted to us but that could fit in the episode and was brought to our attention. It is from a twitter username Jeff Jacques. Aka Gift the magic. And the Story. Is My dad was golfing and note that my dad is not typically teller of Tall Tales. and. He hit a Siegel with his ball full on randy. Johnson style. The seagull dropped onto the fairway at which point a raccoon darted out of the Bush. Grabbed the goal and dragged it away. This this raccoon knows the deal. So is this a Gulf goal or a golf? Raccoon Situation Golfer coon? Golfer Golfer was just waiting. He's like listening these people are idiots. They do things all the time that benefit me personally I'm going to wait in the bushes and just see what happens. It's a great business model. It is an incredible business model. GonNa Place. The Siegel in the category as golf blocks from the past episode that Seagal was dead relative. If not before then Shirley now sure. That last thought I bet the seagull was like Oh, God what a humiliating where to go at least I'm not going to be eaten by a wreck. No. L.. homefield apparel. Dot. com by the way I'm not finished talking about liberty. Are you aware liberty football being not finished of course this is the. The. Infamous liberty condition so. Obviously you know we've had our fun making the the puns and that will probably continue indefinitely. Liberty as a university are they off the hook just because Jerry Falwell has gone? No. No of course not never know. You made this at new it. You won't go sit in the corner and watch what's happening in this you will lay in it. From the press box. Will Watch from the bed in the press box there was one thing the. So Falwell when he finally accepted that he was being replaced by younger man as the President of Liberty University it'll be a man come on. He delivered a Martin Luther King quote right. which is incredibly awkward for a billion reasons. The quote was free at last free at last. Thank God Almighty we are free at last hurry. He's not the President of Liberty. The reason he knows this quote. Is because. Liberty. University in the eighties, he attended there in eighty four he went to law school there in eighty seven in nineteen, eighty, seven at Liberty University. DC talk the Christian. Rap Slash Rock group met on our our cooking Oh. Wow. Yeah. They their first concert was in Jerry Falwell seniors backyard. where? The school president. Where his son was attending law school at the time it is without question that Jerry Falwell Junior was a DC talk fan. When he was would have been when he was about twenty nine that DC talk sampled Martin Luther King saying free at last free last. Thank God, Almighty, we are free at last. So Jerry Falwell, junior on the day of his downfall. Reached for a mighty majestic quote that he hoped triggered the libs and the only thing he had was the DC. That's the main thing I wanted to say about liberty there's a Jesus. Freak. Joke here but I'm not going to do that. Yeah. There's more freaked than Jesus. There's a part in that song about watching a man without a shirt I was just talking. To I want to reveal how many of these lyrics I actually no. I enjoyed by the way that. That we somehow managed to get to DC talk out of this. That's subscribe to Vacation Bible School Pop. Up Next, we're doing the the crossing of the Red Sea we will convince you that. Quite possibly almost all of it happened. I by the way listening to. Vacation Bible schools. This is the most I've ever learned about the Bible. There's all kinds of crazy stuff in there. It's wild. Yeah bears bears eating bears eating people. I'd like that's your first thing. Everything that happens in the Bible you're like there's a bear. I got. Okay. Do you want to know what we didn't Bible school like Bible, school yes. Go ahead. and. Buy. Bible School I made the University of Florida. Spencer did you go to CCD I? Did I did go to CCD? So it just didn't take no I pointedly remembered they took me out in the hall and said Okay You didn't learn. You're supposed to learn today. And I said, what was I supposed to learn today and they said you're supposed to learn this and I was like what is this and they said it's a Bible passage and we were going to ask you about it and I was like you mean I'm supposed to read this and it pretty much went downhill from there. I got hit in the head by CCD teacher non-clergy volunteer sheriff out with a rolled up with a rolled up CCD workbook. Like twice for being such an asshole in the middle of class and I refused to apologize because it was the biggest waste of my time ever. I did always manage. They would say, can you? Select. A Bible verse in speak from Your Heart on it. And My friend Andrew and I would naturally select. Dear didn't you? We found we found all of the Old Testament ones that were like. Locusts shoved into their eyes sockets There's a lot of weird donkey stuff. Yeah. Figure of Liberty, university speaking of Liberty University It does mean freedom. Yeah let's see. So flames, let's talk about what Jerry Falwell senior thinks of all this. Yeah that's right. Get Him. He's in Hill. That's. What. Can Go look it up. So we go live to. To Talk to Jerry Falwell senior. So Azer Iron was getting to the this point in the season and it's highly mentioned as well like this is the time of year when we were very used to. Having, the feeling of like, all right. We have read all of Bill Connolly's previews. We have looked at the Phil Steele magazine Yes the first thirty pages of errors are the same as the year before but all the spreadsheets after that are different from the before the font is even smaller font has it has even more jam packed with information than it has ever been before lake but has recited every teams Vegas. Odd. So many times that I can tell you without even looking them up lake. There is so much information just raring to be you know to burst forth and then the season happens in it's over but like I haven't looked up a fucking thing I don't like I don't even get the point of like studying up for the season when we don't know if it'll be more than one game well, like in the past in the past week even decide that. Like. In the past week, just in the big twelve, TCU had a quarterback. WHO's like? Yep I have I have a heart condition not playing this year and Oklahoma today. said. Is announced that there was a position group they wouldn't say witch but they had so many positive tests within the position group that they basically couldn't practice. Defensive Lineman. Day. No, but you know like which which position are basically like completely underneath people all the time and our grocer. I mean. Yeah. If even besides the like, can these Games happen the way in which they do? Will make like the whole act of prognostication. So incredibly useless compare like even if it's normally good good data and useful information. There is nothing you can look at to be like well. They're on Cuba four and they've got a wide receiver playing, guard? So I dunno factor that in. Like at this point in the year, I'm on like a over the course of the last like seven or eight years I'd be on like the third draft of my bowl projections already. And then they'll be updated every week after that. But like I haven't fucking glanced at the shit like Okay I. Bet I bet Obama's going to be good right Bama supposed to be good this year like I. It's everything's weird. But the people is out like normal. Just trucking along like normal. So. We decided to crash course a little bit. To. Get some group think wisdom of the crowd in here. So he threat to our twitter followers. And asked for these single likeliest best reason that each team will have to be ranked number one. And then I went through an created a preseason AP top twenty ap a preseason top twenty, five based entirely on those explanations. And I can read through those. I wish you would please just starting at number twenty five. Give on twitter. Everything is bad. Let's make it worse. Go Falls Baby God damnit. Hours. No. Five Year. INTO THIS APP we're forty five minutes. So here's episode and I was really hoping to skate away without everyone noticing that the liberty story dropped just in time to obscure the fact that Tennessee is ranked twenty fifth. So the only reason I really knew Tennessee was ranked twenty fifth was because of the. On this program to Tennessee appearing and rankings. So like it made it stick out to my brain. This is very important. You know like I I should make sure Tennessee shows twenty fifth year because it's very important, right? So. I learned to associate Tennessee with the number twenty five. So yeah, it's also. Down in on third down, it's it's only gonNA get worse once all the big ten PAC twelve teams around near like Tennessee's now. Seven because there's only seven teams left playing football. Tennessee blowing expectations despite being one of like four teams playing football would actually be the logical end point of how this is you know I enjoy this chapter of Tennessee football because Jeremy Pruitt Jeremy. PRUITT would go or yellow. We're up to seven only seventeen flying Jesus Christ like Take a moment and now pruitt I don't believe his canny enough does not have the requisite raccoon smarts to pull this off imagine randy edsel in this position and the contract bonuses he could reap, therefrom. Are you saying Randy the original Gulf raccoon of contract perks maybe. All Seagull RANCO. Raccoon. Is there eight hundred dollars speaking of number twenty, four Iowa by? J. trashy because I awoke is ending the two thousand twenty season in the top twenty five. So Kirk farance gets two, hundred, fifty, thousand dollar bonus. Of course. Twenty three I like this one from Dog Hawk on. Twitter. l.? O. L. O. This person is a Kansas fans. That's what. I'm sold I'm way more sold on them than anyone else just by that reasoning number twenty, two from Sam Huppert the two thousand twenty national championship is, of course, set to be played on Scott Frost Day. That's true. This his cannon Nebraska's number one. Number Twenty one oklahoma from Tommy Snyder, we have a history of taking things before the official start time boomer sooner. number twenty is princeton from Jeff. Amy On twitter I believe the quote says Jeff is Princeton claims everything to be clear a full disclosure I did go ahead and rank Princeton a little bit higher because Jeff also linked to my blog about the entire history of claimed national championships in which Princeton. Princeton was the original. Bama. By the way like Bama you didn't invent shit like you didn't invent glint claiming title every single year Princeton did that shift I but Bama should be in the Ivy League. Maybe let's say that yeah, I'm GonNa go with that. By the way you're not made of stone if somebody has a flattering link and butter you. Put them in the Ivy League. See. Also. Obama's got Bama by the way case you go. Bama's Obama's research university. Now because they have, they have a mobile Simeon research lab famous car chimp. GotTa go I. Believe That's a macaque. I'm sorry I don't think it's I don't Obama degree I can't distinguish. I can you imagine anything more dangerous and beloved than a chimpanzee loose on the Alabama campus and eighth that can rip someone's face off do you know what in? Alabama would they respect more? There'd be like, Hey, listen that chip he might kill you. He might love on you but either way he's fervent about it. Okay and that's what we like we like. You'd be you know you'd be hot or cold don't the. Purpose Dr Remember the story about South Alabama Research the very first year the program under Joey Jones having to do all their workouts in an abandoned individualistic lab. And because I was down there talking to talking to Joey, and some of the players came through the office and some of them referred to the first season at this is the senior class that had that had been through that that whole four years with him and they're like, Oh, yeah and the monkey lab and I turned around I was like, why don't they keep calling at the monkey lab and they're like Oh because we worked out in an abandoned monkey lab That's a good reason. Why didn't why didn't this turn into some sort of Scifi thing where they gained like crazy powers by working out the like Research Monkey Lab dammit. This is stranger things season seven when they completely run out of ideas and they're like football players have become huge powerful mega apes. Detective season two of stranger things. I'm ready. For nineteen from third brought from Sun Baylor is at the top alphabetically of the teams trying to play before they cancelled the season officially therefore, number nineteen is air force because they are at the top alphabetically of the trying to play. Just, just GonNa win the commander-in-chief Trophy and call it a day I. Like to Third Brock for the unselfishness going ahead and naming someone else's school of it hasn't been if it hadn't been air force, it would have been Alabama Ryan. Right. I have a question. Yeah. We're really thought about the intensity of those games. Oh No it's. The. So the Air Force has like a month between them. Wow Army and navy or playing full-scale like. This is literally all air force has to play for, and they haven't won the CIC trophy. I think in like four or five years quite a while so low for especially for program that used to win it like all the time. So yeah, I can't. Just imagine the Logistics Air Force. These schools with all that time plot. Pretty, much like they're basically playing to bowl games against their biggest rivals. Now, do you know the normally the deal with Air Force? What what what happens to them physically before the season? Are you aware of their training schedule like their actual military military training schedule? Okay. So one of the issues with playing for Air Force football in the good and the bad sense prior to the season for at least ten days but I wanNA say two weeks. That entire class goes way up in the mountains in Colorado, like consistently above like ten thousand feet. To, do training and they're just up there like running around all day with sixty pounds on their back eight and shit getting yelled at, and then they come back down and they immediately start fall practice, right? So they roll from that into fall practice. So many. So many red blood cells right I. Know what some of you were saying which is oh so many red blood cells. This is true. Also you've just been getting the crap beat out of you in the mountains for two weeks. That's not GonNa make any better at anything no one is better. About Rambo Rambo Yeah you know what I I bet if we got all the Rambos together, they could make a team that could beat the NFL. Predator. The Predator that's completely. Valid but Dante High Tower. Night Ham Mascot Predator. Is it. Is it singular? Are We? took. Your lunch debate about this going over on the shutdown forecast. Read it. And I feel like we've arrived at as significant answer by the way no one's more college football than the Predator because if you beat the Predator what do you get a trophy? True you get a trophy out of respect and confusing trophy to give. ME A. Keg. Of Nails. kind of six she does this. Number Eighteen Arizona state from cowgirl bookworm because Asu created spit test going to save the World Arizona. State spit. I will consider it. Number Seventeen. Clemson. From Robert M. Green Season incomplete revert to preseason number one Clemson I. Honestly feel like the best. Like this is the best claim to a national title assistive literally everything else I think I meant to ranked clemson higher but everything from here on his pretty compelling. This is certainly the one that will be trotted out. Are they preseason I have not even looked in actual AP poll other than. Other. than to see the seventeen people adding me if I saw this poll, which is how I knew. They are they are they are number one just ahead of Ohio state who again who's not playing not playing football. Number Sixteen Barn Wall UCF haters will say Alabama did it first but I will say a ucf did it better twenty seventeen and twenty twenty national champs I I've said this a couple of times but I do feel like it is time to revert the claiming Bullshit National Title Joke from UCF back to Alabama two years was plenty of time to pick on UCF like Alabama laws I'll see. Yeah, that's true. I'm going to need details I later. Let's go back to the days when claim bullshit was the Alabama joke that was so much better than picking on the Little Guy who granted is obnoxious. At Number Fifteen, all the other little guys j Von Funk in St Jean Says Boise State has a backlog of unclaimed titles. So we'll just take this one and call it. Good. Let's throw MTC Utah Marshall to Lane Toledo Arizona. State Bachelor. Lead. US to. Look at all. Look How many times Toledo's gone undefeated we're talking about a backlog here. Utah could claim as many as two previous national titles. They're not a little guy now but. I mean I think I think if you went to Utah Fan and you say, we'll you admit your little guy. If you get to claim an national title, I just pictured doing like the sweating face because. If you admit if you admit that you have not always been in a power conference, you can claim an old national title system Magin Salida went undefeated three straight years. That's right. All of them one, thousand, nine, hundred, seventy, nine, hundred, seventy, one for their trouble. They got three straight trips to the Tangerine bowl and they never got ranked higher than twelfth in the finally people hey, the Tangerine Bowl for kid from Toledo in one thousand nine, hundred seventy. That is a hell of a trip. Imagine how dismal you're. You're like skyline of factories and grey smoke and less miles beat me up and put me in a locker every day suddenly I get to go to the Tangerine Bowl Hail yes. Here's the three teams they beat. All. Three of these Toledo teams were ranked in the top twenty at the time. Davidson William and Mary and Richmond Yeah fucked them up to go go spiders. Number Fourteen Maryland from JC Evans because Maryland remains unbeaten against the hardest schedule in the country by FBI not bad. It's topped by number Thirteen Arkansas from Lou cobs of fast and furious fame. You can not deny it to Arkansas when they went undefeated against the most difficult schedule of all time, which was, of course, claimed by Arkansas, a D. and. It's not far off. Arkansas like Arkansas theoretical, pathetic schedule. Football were to actually happen is. Hilarious. It's after like not only is it. You know the full the full se West experience and not only do you gain Georgia and floor at Florida from the East You. This season would end with the traditional. Game against. Missouri, but that game against Missouri is bookended by Lsu, and December game against Tampa. Arkansas schedule is the tick tock challenge. Get you kicked off a tick Tock right? Like, Hey, no the tasers you're nuts challenge. Everybody nuts only join tick tock. No I'm excited for Arkansas to start. Oh, into like, Hey, guys relooking at this medical. We're we're starting to really question. What they'll do they'll schedule. Central Arkansas Central Arkansas Rabid they'll play. And then they'll put them on central Arkansas. We'll beat them and they'll go no. Yeah you want to squeeze in Central Arkansas. Dance. Card. You got to meet him on the Purple and grey brother brother listened. Central Arkansas is going to play nineteen games this year. We're going to stop them. Now here's we're we're going those years when Hale played like Twenty Games Yeah Arkansas just GonNa go on a train and play seven games ten days civilized saw calling up like local Ymca we got y'all got a team. Let's do this. Do you find swannee versus Twenty Twenty Central Arkansas Time Warrior challenges wake up I. Know It's not necessarily responsible and like to go ahead and excuse all this by saying I acknowledged every. Every single caveat that anyone has about playing football in the year twenty twenty. But let me also note ahead of all this that you see as taking on anyone anyone already. The loss that Tennessee is gonNA sustained a central Arkansas everybody's GonNa lose to them. There's no shame I I absolutely loved these Hill Jack like like some ozark. Ronin. Does laundry the waste. The country is beautiful desperate to take on anyone in their thirst for blood and violence. Favorite. Team. Tackle me tackle me. Feel alive can be. Let's see number twelve from a friend Josh Black. What better team to get the accolades associated with being a champion in a year when everything has been ruined for everyone the Auburn Tigers. However. Strong argument. Hey Cove it is all in however Auburn, his trumped at number eleven by Minnesota from Jeremy Hansen fifteen the only team to win a game in two, thousand, twenty, they beat Auburn Sec team at the very least we should give them the pretend. Rose Bowl Bid this OTA number I'm confused as to how other game that everyone saw the big ten is a whole is having like a series of small meltdowns to the point where parents are working to pick it outside of Brazilian steakhouse. Oh Man we are we won't go in. and. We're going to go in. Okay. Inside Georgia Spinach. Is Safe to consume because it's been heated to a molten that kills bacteria. Cliff, you had this before go incredible. On the salad bar but it's not salad but you get it anyway I don't I don't WanNa hear about the difference between bacteria and viruses herm. Social. Distancing see this rapier that he's serving me prime rib on his six feet long. All return to posting Cunanan lyrics under the table. I remain confuse the. Songs problem I just made that up I'm sorry. by the PODCAST. I remain confused that amidst everybody like wait wait time out. Ryan. Sorry time out. Jason Spencer who's going to be the I Q non. Rapper. I know God. I got a real. Dog like. Not Bq but I think I he really might really dangerously possess ancient knowledge. Yeah like. Yeah. 'CAUSE NAZA has been pretty cool for a while and everybody's like, Oh, no hasn't done anything embarrassing time because. It's all being posted on Sixteen Chan. Yeah That Ryan. Please continue. PJ fleck the one who's just like being quiet and calm because he beat, Auburn? Well. That's because everyone in an emergency situation as an inverse of they're typical cells. Therefore PG flack who in a moment of placid Pacific happiness where everything's going? Well, it's going to look like a lunatic all of a sudden everything goes weird. Remember the Weird Gopro that's why PJ flick appears perfectly normal right now and people like urban, Meyer, your like I wouldn't trust that lunatic with anything. Nothing I'll also buy for a dollar that the second the big ten announced the season was canceled. PJ, fleck put a Peleton in a fair day cage and was just like I'm just GonNa Cycle until next fall. You. Hit. ME. Inside the play. Does he have been with the lightning suit flight casting lightning AK. Tesla coils shooting. Motivation. Oh, my God. This is PJ. flexi prestige. Now I WANNA Peleton an affair day caged fault right in that eighty. I'M GONNA go by this and it's your fault. There's a whole basement full lifted PJ flex. Just keep making more me. Putting himself in a copier going replicate. Number Ten LSU EVAN The most recent national championship in any collegiate sport. You think that'd be a really good arguments. Maybe you should be number one. Unfortunately, you're number ten. Number Nine Texas from Sarah. Cannon the defending National Champs Conference wouldn't let us play. So we took that as forfeiting. Claimed it by squatters rights lsu scared to play Texas Texas back. Are. You telling me that now Texas Biting Oklahoma's move. Yeah. I was GONNA say that's more of a sooners. It's more of a it's more of dirt bandits move. Wilson Oklahoma can't do nothing down there at number twenty one. Are you saying by the way, this is Texas gentrifying Oklahoma's move which is totally an Austin. A number eight total coincidence Texas am one spot ahead of Texas that doesn't have nephews. Why Why did you mention that oh? It's just make sure I had them Adamant Order My From. Prescott on twitter we am have already claimed worse. It's true Texas am history of claiming national titles downright. Albanian. Let's see. So they were one spot ahead of Texas. All right. Okay. Good. I'm just like an actual national titles have as many attempts way fewer successes. Also a M. has claimed the twenty. X. X. National title for Jimbo Fisher. And everything. So it's time to cash in that briefcase. This is definitely twenty x ex yeah we're in twenty six. So, as Liberty University if he'd go by fucked up Roman numerals, this is twenty, twenty, x twenty twenty. Thought about. Due to the state of the world but what is happening to Jimbo's hair during this time of lockdown? I'm afraid that hair island is succumbed to the effects of global. Island is the only place is the only safe place to be in the world virus hasn't made it that far we've never really brought this up because it's an audio format. However, there is a photo of Jimbo Fisher I have shared on several occasions of him. In Texas A and M. tracksuit wandering the practice fields looking like he slept underneath. A cow carcass like he he looks bad. He looks very bad. He looks exactly as bad. Some people go he's got seven million dollars. You should look a lot better than that. No dogs some of us go the Howard Hughes Road. Looking like he finally has the visage he deserves after decades of being a grown man who insists on being called Jimbo I hope he comes out for an I game. Patchy hair plugs. Not Taken whatever and just with a straight face is like yeah, I did locks love I did. Jimbo is the coach waiting to light up a Marlboro red on the sideline because I know, and then slowly eat it. Yes, like. Marlboro. All right. You're going to need a way price for your cigarette there. Johnson taught me `this Or. Just you know like some sort of like enough money where he can afford the chewing tobacco of the Gods, he can afford the chewing tobacco where they go. This is harvested by Tibetan beekeepers who climb vines and Nepalese caves to get only the ten million tobacco. Yes. The bees make this tobacco, the beezer infect subcontracted. Tobacco is. Made. Of Fees you're. Showing on bees. Now, he's a man people. Now, you're speaking Paul Johnson's language again. Yeah. It'd be like Hey. I've been doing that for free to put my place riding the. Yellow let crawl right hand. To stick my hand in there like I'm winning the Damn Poo just you know what I could see gusts Johnson joining him in that to Gus Johnson's The guy who were like, Hey, could she put your face in this beehive just start chewing outstanding Yes Oh man now gus. With my facing the hive. Komi Papa Bear. Number seven, a team with again, a really good argument to be number one they have already been number one this off season though so Michigan let's park you at number seven. Winners as always of the charity ball from Johnny Rosen a delivers the following. Because we've already one our first co big ten titles since two, thousand, four, hundred. Which I think that was the funniest thing I saw you know what? It's the most. Well, it's the most well researched legalistic. I can't think of a better Michigan brand thing. You'll see clearly in some section eight. G.. We don't want to overclaim. That would be that would be review of number six Alabama where. Good, five percent of our respondents were Alabama fan saying I don't give a shit what you say we're going to claim no matter what so. They know they know? And we are inevitable. We are aware of our audible legion nece. Number Five Notre Dame km forty-one we joined the conference that's Awesome Notre Dame join the conference Notre Dame. You'll get you get the honore just outside the playoff spot for that. Because your schedule wasn't tough enough 'cause you play in the ACC. Number four it's funny because it's true. Yeah, Hey Notre Dame schedule got easier because they joined a conflict substantially easier. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. number four, pit, Georgia Tech, and Michigan fans all claim to have won the last pandemic National Championship, Georgia Tech Your your before. pit had the best twenty or best nineteen eighteen claim. Michigan's claim was fair pit. In the playoffs I do not want to hit number one, we need to give pit. The lowest ranking bed is where they were most dangerous. Claim I really I thought you said Georgia tech claiming you know a last pandemic national championship and I thought well, nineteen ninety. Let's see. Eighty nine was Hulkamania. Really. Man Nineteen Ninety Wilde. Was Run all over me. Then was it just more of a light trot? Hulkamania was wearing down at that point. Yeah. I was I was thinking more six thing Man Georgia Tech. Full Shit. Number three USC from scrum-half Vinnie. Not A. Fan Doing the honorable thing but I vote the Nettie goes to USC. So we can get the headline. USC Fires Hilton After. Two Thousand Twenty national. This is a brilliant. Number. Two Georgia from Nathan J Lawrence. If we win this when you can still make fun of us for not really winning one since nine hundred eighty don't worry we will. And number one, of course, several people. The most important school. In the country, the one who set. It in motion, we go back to Thanksgiving two thousand nineteen. Young man scores a touchdown. Crawls on all fours. A hind leg. Pretends to urinate and celebration. Swings the result. Of. A rivalry game resulting in. I. Forget however many coaches changing jobs in real life as an actual consequence of. P Hand Mississippi changing its state flag eventually possibly somehow, and maybe a roundabout way resulting in a confederate flag coming down. That's a he roic dog be right there we all miss number one. County. I'm here for it like I can't think of a better. I really can't think of a better team to finish one. than in this year old miss because nothing it's we need to reward them for their behaviour. I like this because the other teams that you've named also, you just gave Lane Kiffin a national championship. Ole Miss Talking. We tell you not to go number one. You already went number one. If you told Georgia or Texas or it, or most of the teams on this list to you said like, Hey, we're going to give you like a share of the twenty twenty title. They would like most of their fans are at least a good chunk. Man That's just not real if you told Miss. You are Co Champ of twenty like they're gonNA tear the goalpost down they're going to. Absolutely. Gap bookie state you know yes we run this shit. Absolutely they will. They will. There will be no shame. There will be no part of them says like well. Technically. No not at all they will embrace it for what it really is, and that's as good. A reason to give it to them as any because there are several other schools on this list who have plausible cases that they've made for this but who I don't want to hand it to do just because I don't WanNa hear all there. Well, I don't want to hear all their Sam the Eagle Rumblings about on we should have earned this I don't know how comfortable I am with this. No not take the missed approach in this one thing only. I WanNa Bring Ryan Into D. Florida fan rails. Or? Ryan into the Florida Fan bubble bubble of tree here. Okay and I'm sitting here. We're. About Tennessee, we have to do this too. So what are holly and I doing while Y'all do this I'm playing animal crossing and have been this entire time. Okay. I'm just GONNA I'm just GonNa look at look at trees. Go ahead I'm actually doing the same thing in animal crossing what did you watch gas while we have this discussion Allen's. You're in that life you're also remember. Silence. This is your. Are Louder goes a dark the dark. The dark mark of runs face on your forearm is lighting up right now and I know you you must obey it. So you're inside the Florida Fan cone of silence with. GonNa have on the table that the committee has for how for how twenty twenty is going to work, and it's this that either ole miss with Lane Kiffin can win the lease legitimate national title of all time or Florida can win it you and I are determining this. Okay. And if we if we we can't deadlock. We have to come to an accord. Okay. Do you have to discuss this or are we like? Is this like a prisoner's dilemma thing where we both have to say and if we both agree like, no, no, we we can discuss it. Of Different prisoners because Abu I'm GONNA go ahead. Discuss things before you do them. Yes it is because. Did you bring the fireworks? Your answered your question prison is never a dilemma in Florida. Correct like so Tuesday. So now you and I are sitting here and I'm GonNa go ahead I will beat the prisoner's dilemma to the punch by saying. I would go ahead and in this cone of silence and secrecy. I'm GonNa go ahead and award this to old Miss Strictly for the comedic value because I'm pretty sure that Florida at point we'll put together another national title I don't think old ever will. Go, ahead. and Go ahead and let this happen so that old miss fans right. All seven thousand of them on this planet can ride as hard as they possibly can. For coach when he accepts, it is going to go I don't know gained like thirty pounds is here in Ireland eight girl threads. Also, I'm going to go coach the Los Angeles Rams now grinder coach Rams now. By the way Marshall Henderson is on almost as basketball staff now so The way they announced it was not like, Hey, here's Marshall Henderson it was not looking at this fine upstanding young man who is now wearing a necktie no, they gave him like fucking slim shady on the intro video. Yeah. How did you get? You Been Doing Necktie I? Don't think they have done that maybe they've tattoos. Yeah How did you? How did you sink a Yod on a recruiting trip? So think was. Gone was got the signature. It's like a slap bracelet, but it's a tie. Yes. That's a great idea. Hang on hang on. Can We? Can we screw up that from the episode and actually released that PAT? Ideas, idea. PODCAST business. By the way, let's fire that up about an hour and a half into the show subscribed. SUB STACK DOT COM from prevent podcast this. That's hard. Casper. What's business? No business all. Cast Marshall Henderson Tie you throw it around his neck and he goes. It slapped subscribe to Moon Crewe Dot sub stacked dot com or Spencer me. Alex Kirschner and Richard Johnson couple newsletters Luik and maybe other stuff. We're still figuring it out. If you have bought sinful seven are e-book Western about the history of college sports and Associated Western stuff. Please read it. I've gathered from this process. The people read it very, very different paces. So that's that's that's totally fine. Take your time. Enjoy it. It's really good but like I maybe maybe what I'm looking for is like I want more of a more of a sense of like how far along we give a progress a progress note how about that? If you are reading the simple seven? Let. Maybe me and Spencer know how far along you are in it we can get a sense of where people are how's that, how does that sound Swinson what chilling familiarity you've spotted? If you have finished it. Maybe. Telephone. Yeah chilling familiar everything. Parading much everything. She says, she's asking the audience not you? Okay. Spencer Spencer when you were writing this book did you notice anything? Familiar. Not, a not a thing. Why do you? Just. Tax Why they call it fiction. Story there's there's Spencer. I agree with you. We should give this title old mess for two reasons one the SEC will be spiteful shit and insists that s that Ole miss did not win the conference. and. So you will have the unique circumstances of Ole Miss, not having a conference title for a year in which they won the national championship more importantly. Somewhere. I do that. Never never know. Somewhere. Someone will Will write a four hundred page extremely serious extremely like. Grit and determination history book of the Old Miss Twenty Twenty Twenty Championship football. Team destiny four hundred, seventy eight pages sold in airports everywhere about a season that didn't fucking light. But like late tiffin's face and the titles like spirit conqueror. The faith moved mountain. Peace Corps. No, no, no, no no you need something. You need something. Right, so you need something like river and you need something like you know and a great flood did come. Oh. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's you gotTa have some like. Dale. Some of that it's lane looking. Back over his shoulder at a urinal, and it's like a river runs through it. When the levee broke I, want. I want twenty twenty national. Championship retrospective book to be written by someone from New York. City can we get that I want John Bacon, write it? Yeah I wanna I want someone from New York to. Never. GonNa Mississippi. Based on Mississippi in films right like sweaty and covered vastly lane kiffin relaxed on the porch and white suit down there on the humid fiddle. Where they say stats title down here on the human. Where the mosquitoes Know Bible verses. Slama. was dead and I didn't feel so good myself donkey was his Mama. We went to the lunatic asylum to watch them change their sheets for the day. 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Maybe maybe maybe get a discount went home field re releases slap tax slap guide dot com maybe he gets hot videos of disastrous actual tests of the slap tie on poor. unwitting. Real subject. Watch. Spencer. beheaded. By, slap top. because. We can't even get one around Spencer's neck. It's going to be like rebar. tied. Together to slap ties, we determined that Spencer worn a tie once in the last ten years. Yeah. It was that actually was at Holly's wedding. SLAP TIDE DOT COM. Is there I made him where tie but I also asked him to shave his moustache into a bootleggers friend for the ceremony and he did that and I appreciate it. So I asked my wife when I have last were not in the best we could come up with was two, thousand six. I am in need of slap tide dot com it's man slept dot com is available dot net. This is. Coming up. Is. This. Is this new. So, this is a new thing. Google domains is doing when you go and you're like I want to see this domain is available. It now gives you advantages and considerations here the advantage. This name this name has a popular ending dot com and this name isn't too long. I agree with both of those. The considerations people might hear tie T. H. Y. instead of high. And tight over starting a restaurant YEP. And my favorite swear guy this surreal this name might be too too similar to slate. Dot Com. Oh sold. So we're starting a said, we're GONNA sell slap bracelet neckties start a Thai restaurant and Joel Henderson works for us now. Yes. We will start making good podcasts is what we'll do. Can I do you can do real quick just eyeballing it ball projections based on this top twenty five Oh, I haven't done it i. haven't done it all. That's cool. Yeah. Man Just like Jerry Falwell actually no, he's not. He's watching well, he is today. I'm watching you scratching. Okay. Got It. As long as we're all clear on the arrangement then so this year here's Your more gathered Jerry Falwell's America. Is, there in his own name? So I looked at this. This is a rose sugar playoff year, which really pisses me off. This is the good rotation and we won't get that. We won't get the road sugar. We'll be right back to the bullshit year where it's like the playoffs on December twenty six. That type of Shit. But rosenberger sugar semifinals those easy number one versus number four pit very normal number two Georgia versus number three USC standard typical. Cotton. You're GonNa take the top SEC team. That would be Obama in stop big twelve team. That would be Texas. All Right Bama. Texas cotton bowl boom. Let's see. Orange or need ACC top ACC. That Notre Dame far down there. Oh. Yeah. That's Notre Dame. Excellent that's another dame, and so then would be top ACC against the team. Next team from the big ten slash sec slash Notre Dame's was notre dame versus Notre Dame perfect. The Peach. See Competition. Notre Dame spring. Game. Strengthened its own schedule. I mean when Notre Dame goes to Miami great things happen as. Steve Bannon was in the news and that reminded me of his tweet about Notre Dame going to Miami and beating Alabama and. Full of of ideas the perfect tweet. It's it's crazy. It's like Hashtag like grade part. Sports. And then there's nothing there's nothing for another like six months I just went that I. Just really hope that is the right boards. tweet ever happened like. Schwartz. Sprint canceled. Sports. Thank you Bama. Let's see. Peach Bowl. Let's see. Let's go. Let's go. I mean we could go. AM They haven't been there in awhile. maybe we throw. How about am Lsu we went that game to happen God's make sure. And then Fiesta Bowl Michigan is our top at large and they would have to face a non power Michigan, Boise State Fiesta are either going to lose that. Yeah. I mean, I feel better now. Thank you. Thank you for. On the big stage, when is that ever gone? This is this is this is not the big stage. Spencer it's called the Big House. Wait I just realized. Bull Reps are still going to figure out a way to like travel and shit. See Ya one, hundred percent going to be like well, we know like you know. I, it would be irresponsible not to. EARN. Marriott points. While we determine if if somebody's going to be playing is for finally be the year we top the greatest bowl rep trip of all time with the Pinstripe Bowl team turning up at Lsu Bama. This is the year where bull reps go everywhere they would usually. With no games happening, but then appear on a zoom call from the hotel. So there's somebody there's somebody who is on like. A remote Hawaiian Boutique Hotels Wi fi on zoom go and we just had to check out the warriors said CEO's going. They look great. They look great on this old footage that I'm watching. From resort in my jacket. So it's a business expense. I do like that the playoff committee a will continue at least they set a couple of weeks ago they're going to meet in person. which sure entirely necessary if you scroll through who is WHO'S ON THE PLAYOFF COMMITTEE? A The chair is Iowa a D. Gary, Barda? There's an Arizona state professor on here. THERE'S THE AD at Wyoming Colorado. There's Ronnie Lott. USC like they're all these people who it's like bunch of old guy. Pretty pretty much. We got any war criminals this year. Did they finally? Go Is C. Slocum a war criminal. Did we have several that probably? Okay.

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"The following podcast contains explicit language. Hello. I'm Josh Levin, this Aslan's sports podcast. Hang up and listen for the week of June twenty fourth two thousand eighteen this week show will discuss the United States women's national soccer teams two one win over Spain and the knockout round of the women's World Cup as well some other women's World Cup happenings while so be joined by former New Orleans Hornets, Indiana, pacer, Golden State warrior David west to talk about Zion Williamson, and be a draft and the historical basketball league start up. That's offering amateur players new route to professionalism. Finally will discuss the proposal to have the Tampa Bay rays. Play half the season in Montreal is a dumb crazy, dumb and crazy, or none of the above. Stay tuned. Joining me now from Ronse France, where he just watched the US women when Stephane fats author of the books word freak. And if you seconds of panic Bolger Stephan. Hi, josh. My French is bad. You're French is bad. Let's let's not speak anymore. French. It's a deal. The following message is brought to you by Samuel Adams Samuel Adams summer ale captures. What's best about summer hazy golden easygoing days out in the sun? Samuel Adams is tweaked their SP to make it even more summary a bit more citrus more subtle spice and a lot more refreshing. Start your summer off right. With Samuel Adams summer ale. The Boston beer company, Boston, Massachusetts savor the flavor responsibly. All right. Steph n from my American foxsports vantage. This was not the best game at the us split. They scored fewer goals. They didn't score thirteen this time, what was your vantage from the stands as the US beat Spain and moved on to the quarterfinals. It was pretty nerve wracking from the seven zero good seats. Nice mall stadium and Ross twenty plus thousand seats. It was a stream Lee hot. And that clearly showed if it didn't show on Fox Sports, it certainly showed in the stands, I needed to be subbed out around the sixtieth minute, but Djilas didn't sub me out or for that matter. She didn't some anybody else out which was crazy. I mean, we were watching it, I was sitting next to my daughter and kinda plastic. I mean Lindsay ran is arguably the best midfielder in the world. She had was on a yellow card, which was probably why she didn't start the. Game. But Alex Morgan was clearly heard, and she was getting hacked constantly by Spain and nothing until the eighty fifth minute. Jill Ellis allegedly has two World Cup teams. According to Ellie Krieger and chose not to deploy any of her resources until very late in the game. It was really mystifying. It seems that could hurt them in the quarters against France, especially since that game is an on Friday. It's a really quick turnaround. So that was confusing. I'm curious about what the sense was in the stadium in the stands, obviously, the game turns onto penalty decisions, both slotted home by Meghan, repeat. No. Very long delay on the second one for VR. I would have to imagine that would be kind of mystifying and frustrating, and the stands, not knowing what's going on. We had no idea no no replays were shown in the stadium here. So you know, you know it this point that. There's going to be VR review on pretty much everything. I mean that seems to be the takeaway from this World Cup and for better or worse. And I would probably argue for worse, and it's a momentum killer in the stands. It really is sort of like, in the NFL going to commercial and you're not used to going to two minute delay in a football match. So it was it was not clear. I mean you had no idea how soft the foul was. I didn't know until I started looking at Twitter after the game that everyone was saying both fouls kind of soft, but they were awarded. So one has to assume that they were penalties I haven't seen the replays of either of them at this point. But Spain was physical game. They committed team fouls. I think the US only committed for they seem to have a really smart strategy, which was play aggressively hack. Alex Morgan, who had nothing going on and press high on a suspect US defense in that forced the first goal. When we were walking out of the stadium. A couple of French people actually said no penalty, no wind. And you know true but they were penalties. Yeah. I mean it's funny how when the penalty advantages your side then you say because it was a penalty. They were soft. They were actually called penalties on the field wasn't VR foolishness and changing something re reference the game as they've been calling it, that's how it was refereed on the field. It was, you know, when the US had the really bad giveaway and the beginning of the game on the exchange between a listener and Becky Sauerbrun Brin Spain ties the game at one point, the US is generating a bunch of chances. I was thinking the us is going to win four to one or five to one and that kind of evaporated towards the end of the game, maybe because, you know, the, the US wilted in the heat, maybe because there was some talk about not being able to deal with the high line of the Spanish defense. But it just seemed like the goals that felt inevitable in the beginning just never materialize. Sometimes that happens and, and the World Cup. But it was a little bit disappointing to watch in a Stanford didn't feel super inevitable after. Spain scored the US did not look to me to be super dominant. And and that's kind of fitting pattern in this World Cup. I don't think I watched the france-brazil game on Sunday night in a park in Paris, which was packed, there were several thousand fans their French people there, France, did not look dominant England did not look particularly good. And you have Cameroon even though they won three nothing in their knockout round game Germany has not looked super dominant so far. Those are the top four teams. And that either says that congratulations to your twenty twenty three World Cup champion Spain, which is my prediction right now. War that these teams are just not in gear yet, but nobody has looked overwhelmingly powerful. And I think you can throw out the US's performances against Thailand in Chile as we've diminished them already. I would push back on that a little bit. I think the US looked good and very much in control against Sweden, which is a better team than Thailand and Chile. And then I think in the first twenty minutes of this game on Monday. They were knocking in crosses. It seemed like they were just a couple inches away at times from, you know, getting the second goal maybe getting the third goal and it just wasn't there and it felt like they really slowed down towards the end of the game. And it felt like that was the, the, the reason why else really made a mistake not getting Mallory Pugh and getting Kristen presson getting Lindsey Horon not getting Carleen Lloyd and not getting Davidson and knock. Getting somebody on defense. It was really confusing. I don't think that crystal done played exceptionally well on defense. Don camper and sour had that miscue very early. And I think they were tentative listen Nair was, it was kinda weird. There are a lot of, you know, Erin ball's going back toward her. A lot of. Felt like a lot of times that she was taking way too long to distribute the ball and a lot of sort of week distribution out of the back and maybe that's how Djilas has coached her. I read that that's what she wanted she wants week distribution out of that. She wanted to play it out of the back, and she just distribute hit weekly out of the VAT, also like heading the ball and chesting the ball, when it's necessary narrative is very nerve wracking watching her play goalkeeper in this World Cup. So now what? Now, France, doesn't look super strong. The US doesn't look super strong. I mean it's still criminal that isn't smart enough to, to know how to figure out how a bracket works and to put your top four teams in four separate quadrants when you reach the round of eight, so you're gonna lose France of the United States, which is terrible for the tournament self. And it's terrible obviously for one of those two countries, but on the other hand, and they don't even deserve to make it to the semi finals, one of these teams should be really interesting. Thing, and obviously, there's some correlation in the fact that the US looked it's worst when it was playing its toughest opponent, Spain struck me. I don't know if it struck you feel as being very skilled, but kind of slow like they were not beating the US for pace ever. And they only that one shot on target which was the one in the horrible giveaway and the beginning of the game. So it was this kind of intermediate challenge where you had to play against a team that could have possession at times could control the ball. But just we're not like that much of a threat to really, you know, beat the US athletically, and with France that challenge ratchets up where they have players that are more skilled than Spain's players. And if you know in the game against Brazil Diana in particular was just amazingly fast. Hadn't seen her play much at all. But seems like a huge threat to really break down the US defense, and this is in the short term. Yes. Exactly. Now, this will be the first real test in the long-term around. Madrid doesn't even feel the women's team yet Spain has come so far so quickly. This is a team that four years ago had the sexist coach basically was drummed out by the players, and since then, and dri long did a really nice piece in the times about the rise of women's soccer in Spain. I mean, since then sponsorships are growing television is growing, they're encouraging fans to go. But basically giving away tickets they had sixty thousand people show up for Spanish women's league game earlier this year. I mean, really this is the kind of challenge that the US is already facing it is going to get more and more difficult for them to sustain anything in terms of being a favourite coming into this. So one of the biggest stories at the women's World Cup the last couple of days. Stephan has been during the game. And aftermath of. The England's Cameroon match particular with England coach and some of the press calling out the camera and players for their behavior on the field their complaints about the refereeing decisions in particular was pretty surprising. To me to hear some of the language around the players being disgraceful. And, you know, talking about an opponent was very odd and also very striking. Well, they, they were if not disgraceful. I mean, they did not themselves really well. I mean there was an elbow. Someone may have spat on an English player. There was an incredibly hard foul studs up in stoppage time the Cameroonian players complained twice about VAR calls understandably disappointed about them. But to the point that they appeared to be debating whether to continue with the match. I mean, I think we can on the one hand criticize the way Cameroon comported themselves on the other hand, you know, this is routine. In men's soccer into. Start framing this as a referendum on its setting back women's soccer, or it's a disgrace, because girls are watching Phil Neville. What did he say? My daughter wants to be a footballer, and if she watches that she will think. No, I want to play netball. I wanna plane that ball to Josh. I mean, what young English girl doesn't wanna play netball really? But if you're going to descend into this, it also was clearly felt racial in its context that African teams don't know how to behave properly in the setting. And if you're going to go there, you better, also recognize the kind of disadvantage that these women are playing under how important this is to them. How rare the opportunity is to play on a world stage like this, and what it might have meant to the Cameroonian players. I mean, the Nigerian players did you read this that they that basically stage a sit in, in their hotel rooms demanding? Backpay as far back as twenty sixteen before they would leave the World Cup conditions in a lot of these countries disgraceful. And that's not to excuse the way Cameron behaved on the field. Yeah. You sent me a piece by Kim. Macaulay SP nation. Stephan really was good and capturing all of this context while not trying to make argument that everything that Cameroonian players did on the pitch was great. And in the men's World Cup. There are two offense stories of federations, not paying players, federations not supporting players. Cameron didn't have any games in two thousand seventeen they had just one friendly in two thousand eighteen. And so you have this convergence rate where this is like the one time when they're on the world stage, they feel like they've, they've been wronged, and then to be called out and said there, disgracing the sport with no acknowledgement for the conditions that they've played under the fact that they haven't been able to. To play at all. In some cases, just seem so like shortsighted and absurd. And colonialist, maybe, again, this is England is a country that banned women from playing football for fifty years of England is a country that has only in the last decade begun, supporting women's football, Europe is a continent that only in the last decade is really with a couple of exceptions begun, supporting women's football, and then to layer on top of that the corruption that exists at these federations in Africa and South America, and in many other parts of the world, you know, where do you lay a lot of blame and fief doorstep. If they can't force these federations to behave ethically. Well, good fucking luck because for can't behave ethically in Lausanne. So it it just the conditions for these these teams that come to the World Cup are appalling from the. Gecko and then to place on top of that these expectations that somehow they're letting down the world of football because of their behavior seems pretty hypocritical today. Get your mansion in order. That's what that's what Stephan saying before we get back to the US thought maybe we could talk about martyrs comment, so by acclimation the greatest women's player of all time lost to France playing for Brazil over the weekend last World Cup match. Marta said on the field after the game talking about the next generation of Brazilian players will come after. It's wanting more training, more taking care of yourself more. It's being ready to play ninety plus thirty minutes. This is what I ask of the girls. There's not going to be a for me. Go forever. There's not going to be a Marta forever. There's not going to be Cristiana the women's game depends on you survive. So think about that value at more cry in the beginning. So you can smile in the end. This is Ben touted, I think rightly so is being a moving and inspirational speech, but it was it was interesting to me. And I wonder if you noticed as well that by focusing so much on players, it takes away responsibility on federation's, and in countries like Brazil, it seems like that's the bigger story is lack of institutional support rather than players not training hard enough for carrying enough hundred percent. I mean, I guess, from our perspective her role as she sees it as a to inspire players and that may be her calling out Brazilian women Brazilian players in their development system. But yeah. For her to be even more effective. I mean her voice should, and I don't know that she's gonna retire. She's thirty four it's conceivable. She could play in one more World Cup Josh. But maybe that's what holds her back from criticizing the federation on I don't know. Whether how much she has called out the powers in Brazil. But they've been horrifically neglectful of one of the great women's soccer teams going back twenty years. I mean they went through a period. Two of basic inactivity and total lack of funding this decade. So I don't know if we should call out Marta, for not being more critical in the heat of the moment after the World Cup when the entire country is watching, and it's worth noting that millions of people in Brazil are watching because they put through games on free TV and it's been a huge success. I think Phil Neville would say that Marta, just damaged the reputation of women's soccer forever. Everybody in Brazil, all those little girls, they're gonna play netball too, so England. And Brazil, there netball teams are going to be awesome. Let's end with a little bit not a preview of the US, France match on Friday. But just what's your sense being in the country, went to the park to watch the France game? Do you think there's going to be just an enormous amount of build up for this? Game. What's your take on just what the vibe is in the country now around this tournament, the vibe feels pretty Gallic, which means there's not a lot of ibe when you're walking around. I see I've seen more American fans on the streets than people wearing French women's national team jerseys, and that's obvious because they're terrorists, and they're wandering around the, you know, the Luxembourg gardens, but it doesn't seem like it sort of taking the country by storm, though, from what I can see is making the front pages of the sports newspapers, which is a good thing and they're getting good television audiences. Also the game against the United States on Friday night is sold out. Many of the games have not been today's game was not sold out even though the stadium was fairly small. So I do think that as Nagin repeatedly said in the nixed zone after the Spain game. I hope it's a total shit show circus. So. Yeah, should be Stephan. Enjoy the rest of your week. 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So say say, I'm sure that the other half of your brain as Lee working on right now on Thursday night and Brooklyn NBA Commissioner Adam silver announced to no one surprise that the New Orleans pelicans were selecting Zion Williamson with the number one, pick in the two thousand eighteen draft in New Orleans, whole bunch of people crowded, downtown to celebrate the announcement, and I can attest that it was an impressive crab because it was hot as hell on Thursday. I was there wasn't just pelican's fans that were excited and there were emotional the eighteen year old Williamson wept openly during an interview with ESPN's Maria. Taylor talking about all the sacrifices that his mom had made and the fact that he couldn't believe that this day, whatever come joining us now is a man who knows what it feels like to be drafted in the first round by the New Orleans NBA franchise in two thousand three David west became the first ever draft pick of the New Orleans Hornets west played fifteen years, and then BA made two all star teams in one NBA titles, with the Golden State Warriors in two thousand seventeen and two thousand eighteen he's now the CEO of the historical basketball league, which is scheduled to launch twenty twenty and bills itself as a professional college basketball league that will be free of academic an economic exploitation David west. Thanks for joining us. So David, you're drafted. Eighteenth overall after four years at savior? What do you remember about that day and about that moment? It was one of the obviously one of the most feeling days or couple days of my life because of. Someone like myself. It was a process so dream about planning NBA, but then you have to make that dream, a reality or possibility. I so the dream became a possibility while I was in college. I really didn't know could be NBA player 'til after my sophomore year college, and then it became a reality in once I got draft. It was a great experience. When you go on its New Orleans are really enjoyed my time year spent the bulk of my career in the woods, did you know about New Orleans and Hornets franchise at the time that they drafted you a new a little bit about the Hornets franchise because I was actually living in North Carolina while they were there, North Carolina when they left, so it's kind of ironic to be the first draft pick down in the wars, but I was also familiar with New Orleans. I had traveled down there as child to play basketball. So I've been to New Orleans, new type of community that I was going into obviously rich with culture, great tasted food. So Siad had no choice about where he was going to go and play. And there was some talk, which seems like it was just talk about, oh, maybe he'll sit out and not go to New Orleans. But there is this kind of, like, fundamental strangeness about gang somebody like you are who's at the top of his profession, but you have no choice about where you're gonna go. And even if you are excited about going place, it's still a little bit weird was that something that you are kind of thinking about at the time or is that something that players who are coming into the league or thinking about or are you just so excited to be in the NBA that it's not top of mind. I'm not thinking about that, while you're going through it for personal experience. I felt like I should have gone higher. So I was looking at the teams that were in the rains that I knew I was gonna get drafted. I remember that night, just being like God just go to New Orleans because I was like, that's the best possible answer. Because if I beyond the world's chances on going to end up in Utah. That. It's interesting, right? Because yeah, I've seen is sort of a hierarchy and indifference by player to player Woodson is a plan in which cities might not be an you sing sort of what happened with Anthony Davis right on E guide his way out of there move to LA. You've been around the league. Now at this point, you played in New Orleans were you surprised to see Anthony talk, his way out of there are not wanting to can you understand why a guy might be like, I don't think this is the place. I wanna be your where you sorta surprised to see that unfold nominated. I don't think it has anything to do with the city. I think it's more organization been mean to be honest with you man in NBA. Everybody knows you got like three to five year, windows and for NBA teams, you know, if you think about the cycle, you wanna have, you know, maybe a year or two or you're rebuilding be able to make some legit playoff runs in a season or two seasons or three seasons. But literally when you get to the point where your your five year six and you have it sort. Made those incremental steps in are on the doorstep is usually time for change both internally with the team and using the player personnel. So I think he just fell into the mix of what it, what it's like to be in, in the NBA being with a franchise that I don't know how many times it made the playoffs, maybe once or twice while he was there. And so he just felt like you know, as opportunity to keep winning with elsewhere. So in the back half of your career you played in Indiana you played in San Antonio. And then you ended up in Golden State and by virtue of your tenure in the league in your stature, and the league, you had the ability to pick where you, you're gonna go the opposite of how you broken. Do you feel like that's something that you'd need to earn as a player the ability to make that choice and that the way that it's done, not just an NBA but in other leagues that that's appropriate? Or do you feel like guys whether it's Zion or somebody else coming in? To the league. Never having played before that they should have that ability to choose as well. I just don't know. I don't know if you can. So what you're saying, so no draft and basically that how do we know who's hoop? So Zion, for instance, he would say, I wanna go to the warriors, but been polity become sated with the teams who traditionally have the top five picks, let's say being able to pay him more money. Well, I think one way that could work is that you would stop the salary cap and place. And so teams would then have to make a choice, just like you'd try to, you know, have cap rim. Decide a free agent you would try to have cap him to sign a rookie. And maybe there could be a rookie scale as well. But that would allow there to be kind of like a matching process where if a player a team we're interested in each other they could potentially work it out, but it's not like the warriors the Lakers, whoever could get all the players because there would still be the salary cap in place. Like, does something like that seem workable or does that not seem workable? Is okay. But I don't know if it'd be workable, simply because so for instance, got like Zahn, Zion wimps and had choice, giant would probably go to New York and play for whatever scraps pennies because there's, there's a minimum salary for rookies, but Zion is gonna sign a hundred million one hundred fifty million dollars to deal with Nike. So, you know, if he didn't like the cities that could pay him three or four million a year as a salary NBA player. What's to stop him from going, go the best team in the league ended living off of his endorsement money 'cause he's gonna get that, and that would supplement him I think enough to play for like the Lakers right now or the warriors or a the Toronto Raptors for you know, two hundred fifty thousand a year, but he's making ten or twelve million a year from Nike. I just don't know of how they would be able to maintain the I mean there's very little balanced, but it leads the way things go. I do think there should be there should be a lottery penalty. Meaning that if teams are in the lottery, or in the top ten for over the course of two straight years, three straight years in, they don't have an opportunity to be in there after that. You know, I just feel like there's gotta be some switch because a lot of teams that have been in this lottery process for very long time. But I just don't know how you would distributed talent in the draft knowing what type of money these guys make from endorsements. I think a lot of them, particularly the creamed across would just make decision to go to the biggest best markets. Don't you think your guy you want to play? Right. So, like you could Zion, go to Golden State, maybe the raptors but wouldn't agai like that competitive guy like that also? I mean the only five guys at time. Right. So you don't think that like, oh, well, maybe doubts like with the good fit, because it's for the face of the franchise. I mean I get it. I think there would be instances where you might have kids as account not going there. But I just think that the lure of going to play in Miami, going to play your with the Knicks Brooklyn LA Chicago. The bigger markets are gonna win out so talking about a different model lamelo ball, just announced that he's going to go play and Australia as opposed to staying in the US, and that he'll go into next year's draft. There's a guy Darius Baz Lee who skipped college and was an intern at new balance and is going to be going into the NBA this year. David, you're part of this league HBO that is going to be a professional college basketball league. Can you just talk a little bit about that model and how it will work? So the HBO is a place where we want to become an house, the top basketball talent. We want to create an environment where young athletes coming out of high school in particular have other options. Or have another has another choice right now. The players have at least amount of choices of all the people involved in business. The players are made to believe that it's not a business. The players made to maintain an amateur status, while everyone else around in coach's coaching staff training stabs in a straight is our professionals. And so what we wanna do is you have these young people in option to start their professional careers at eighteen graduate high school. You know, give them a different approach a different developmental tool as they work toward the James become into Germany draft picks and professional basketball basketball is no longer a game. It's a trade. It's something that you can pass down into generation -ly. It's something that can afford you other opportunities in other levels of access into other aspects of life Zoll the game has to evolve because it's. No longer regain its cultural exchange mechanism right now. It's number one sport in China globally, is the second or third most popular sport on the planet. So what we see is basketball has evolved beyond Justice idea of amateurism plan, the way the plan a game because they want to because it's fun and people attending gangs because it's fun. That's no longer the case we wanna model or at least give the kids in option here in the US that resembles a better opportunity for the right now. Like you said, they'd been three or four games Bazeley one kid that just sat out, but lamelo RJ Hampton in kindergarten junior have all decided to go play. Either Australia, New Zealand before they transition into them a draft process. We don't think that it's necessary for kids that have to go four five thousand way, you know, there's a political context here that we don't get into, but we're supposed. Create as many opportunities have more opportunities in anyone. But it seems like in basketball particular, and at the collegiate level, we haven't created opportunities that Meera sort of the future Amirah or flecked, where other nations have been for quite some time. Now, don't you think in a way that seeing, you know Kenyon, Martin junior lamelo in RJ, choose Australia, like it's sorta would indicate that there's an opportunity for you guys. Right. Because the G league already sorta offering alternative at this time, it's sorta unique, right? Like ethic, you can go straight from high school to the G league created a model where like, you know, the top guys can make six figure salaries whatever, but even then guys sort of decided to go. Elsewhere does that did that sort of indicate like the most recent round of prospects going Australia indicate there's some space for you guys right now? Natio-. Yeah. Absolutely. We absolutely see the void there. And I think it's, you know, it's helping us prove our, our case that we're needed. If you think about where these guys are making decisions to go, those countries are great. But I don't think that young American basketball players have to go that far to find the best opportunity as opposed being forced into a system right now. It's gonna exploit them, same list full year in that's or to or longest day. And so that's the choice that the kids are making in their families, or make, you know what's happened. You know, honestly, is that because we're an information as Noor so many different mediums for people to get information from. The traditional system can't control, all of the Nag's can't control, all of the stories and the parents are making these decisions, the parents are more aware, the parents know what their commitment children, too. I mean, even window Carter's window cars mom was pretty outspoken about it during his recruitment. And he eventually went to do, but, you know, they were very open about the fact that he was going to be only school for one year, that they knew that they were committing m to know an exploitive system on, I think many more parents are gonna take that tone. It's just not something at this point, this stage where you have league commissioners making twenty million a year you've got every coach at the university, making a million, plus in salary in some cases, you've got, you know, conferences, that are earning billion dollar TV deals. These are the things that we know from our standpoint, validate, no opposition. A market there, there's opportunity there to compensate players. All right. So that idea at HP L as you guys are projecting players will get between fifty one hundred fifty thousand dollars per season based on their market value that they can pick which cities, they go to that. They also get a five year guaranteed scholarship and that they'll be going to colleges while playing in this professional league. And it's an interesting model. It's an interesting idea. I'm curious you mentioned Wendel Carter and Duke, Zayn Williamson went to do as well. Obviously, I believe that the NCAA system is rotten, and exploitative. But also that Duke kinda helped Zion, get more famous, it helped him boost his following on, on social media, and everything else. How do you feel like you're pitch will work on players who can see that a place like Duke can help them? Get more famous and build their brands. I'll say the Zion had more so. Social media. It's in senior ice than the entire Duke men's basketball team year before he went to do I believe, with a million plus social media fouls, and obviously the attention that these young athletes get at universities. It's sort of the way that they're revved up is because that right? The meeting companies are working with Inco in concert with the schools than with the traditional mob. So it's it set up. An its intent is to drive players visibility. Take it up a notch, but it's intentionally contained. So what I mean by that is if you're familiar with overtime overtime working on becoming a high school made the network and what they're going to do is basically, you know, highlight and continue to bring. Eyes and ears to of high school. And so with a mechanism like that in place, unless they're limited disguise gonna be wide open for these players in the people that wanna see them, very few people, particularly these younger generations of athletes, people don't sit down and watch. You know games on TV watching, you know that Saturday afternoon game in their house so that, you know, those, those days are over with people wanna see things on their phones. People wanna see things from a digital standpoint. So I just feel that the other mediums now that will bring more awareness in more notoriety to these young athletes. The other part that we have talked about, is, you know, there's a social economic opportunity for families that they're currently locked out of very few players. Less than two percent of these college on play at the professional level. So. So for the most part, you're committing kids to three or four years of straight exploitation, will, let me ask you this because I think we all agree, right? But I mean it's largely black players that are being excluded out of the opportunities sort of for lack of a better term cash in in, but they should be able to write. But let's go back to nineteen ninety eight in, in, in, in garner North Carolina. In talk about David Wests making a decision. If you hit had the opportunity, would you have picked HP all over Xavi, so my situation? Absolutely. And I'm gonna tell you what is I was to graduate high school in nineteen ninety eight but I was not eligible. So I flipped out, I flip English as a high school senior to redo my senior year at military school in nineteen ninety nine. So I wasn't out. So I was good enough to play Virginia. And I as crazy at the beginning of this year, I was at Hornets Charlotte Hornets training camp. And former UNC coach, Dave hanters came up was there practicing. We shared some words, and he said to me, he said, you know, coach Smith really likes it when you were gone, he's in book, or not eligible bright, and I said, yeah. What I had no chance of qualifying out, high school, so HBO would have been for me. It was either prop forty eight. Go to junior college, or flunk my senior year and redo my senior year at military school, and that's the one I chose and July, and I remember even as a young person. Then I remember saying one day, waking up one day in October in military's loose said yo-, if you don't if you mess around this year, you don't have a high school diploma. So it was a huge risk on my part in my family's part going that route. But for me, the HBO would have been a no brainer. Because I would have been able to continue to play basketball, I would have been in an environment that wasn't open to, you know, grown men with real life on their back like the G league. And there was a developmental system in place. So I would have absolutely jumped into the into the HBO because I was a kid that was of the upper in town. Talent. But I had no grades. So I wasn't seeing David west went to Xavier for years played in NBA for fifteen now, the CEO of the historical basketball league, which is set to launch and two thousand twenty David, thanks so much for the time. Thank you. This message is brought to you by hotels dot com. Every day, thousands of people book trips on hotels dot com. 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They have a forty five and thirty three record good enough to make the playoffs. Also just as they did last year. The rays have the lowest payroll in the game they're spending about sixty three million in players salaries, the season that's eleven million less than the second thrifty s team the Orioles and it's more than a hundred and sixty million dollars less than the Boston Red Sox, who the rays are ahead of the standings. And mentally also also the raise our second to last in the majors in attendance. They average for teen thousand five hundred forty five customers per game. That is not good and is ESPN's Jeff passan first reported last week, the rays have received permission from MLB's powers that be to look into an odd solution to their problems. Splitting the season between Tampa, the Tampa area and Montreal Antero Canada, the details of such a plan or unclear perhaps because it's extremely unlikely to happen. But if nothing else JOL it's good fodder for a podcast segment, and we can't thank the Tampa Bay rays enough for that. What do you make of this half the Tampa half year in Montreal idea? It just seems like it's the latest indication that the end of major league baseball in Tampa upon us, I lived in Tampa. I if anybody knows me, I'll probably mention every few hours for four years, and including one of the years in which they went to the World Series. And this is. I always sort of been, you know, the undercurrent around the baseball team, even in good times, and they're good baseball team this year that it's like, oh man stadium sucks. People won't come. What are we going to do? We need to get stadium. And so this just sorta seems like an out, but it seems like okay they're, they're really starting to look towards you know, doing something to make the fact that they just can't build a real fan base there. And they can't get stadium built. And I mean, I guess it's like chicken can bring fans don't have a stadium. Or if the Bill, the state will it bring fans but it doesn't seem like they're going to be able to reach resolution hair because after a while it just seems it seems like this is sort of an intractable issue in their impasse. They just can't get past it in Montreal. Is up there looking, I'll beautiful and you know, got great food and the weather is nice, some of the year at least during baseball season and it just seems like maybe. Maybe finally, that is going to go ahead and, and make that move out of there. I mean I it is not that Montreal was always the natural plan b but the planet was always to eventually get out of Tampa Saint Pete, and I think that's kind of where we're gonna go with this there couple theories about what could be going on here. The more straightforward theory, which I think is also the least likely to be true. It's like let's just find a creative solution here. Half the air and Tampa, we could build a smaller stadium and then we could add some revenue if we spent half the year and Montreal they're hungry for a franchise because the Expos aren't there anymore. We can have to TV deal the money double the fan base. We could have like cross cultural exchange where people from Montreal could travel the Saint Pete to see games and vice versa. So that's one idea. The other ideas, like somebody is just trying to extort a stadium deal. By doing this, and this is the thing that happens all the time and, and all of the sports leagues, this idea that you get these other markets interested in your team and threatened to leave and do that to try to get something out of the city. They are actually. And does that seem like it's the more the more likely scenario? Yeah, absolutely. I mean I lived in Houston when the Oilers, you know, for years liquid, maybe we'll move to Jacksonville will, maybe we'll, you know, we'll do this, and then eventually, you know what a team starts doing all of that. I think it's really hard to come back from that because you can really it can really be turn off to the fans that are there. I mean there is a core of fans there in Tampa that really does support that that franchise. But eventually, you know, that sort of stuff gets old and like you come to believe that well, what's the reason for investing in this franchise anyway, because they're gonna leave anywhere. They're not committed to us. And like how could you prove? That they're committed to defend to building a fan base there to building a, you know, to, to, to, you know, establishing some sort of foundation there, if they're always trying to leave or think about whether or not always, finally. But like it just doesn't seem like it isn't the same there necessarily committed the staying in. And some of this is Tampa Saint Pete. Right. They don't want to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on a public refinance stadia which is fair, which is fair more than fair. Joel. Right. So, yeah. I mean, the mayor of Saint Pete, the stadiums, and Saint Pete has said, yeah, this isn't happening. They have a lease here. And there's he said like we're not going to allow them to explore playing any games in Montreal before twenty twenty eight. So maybe that's an ago sheeting play on his part as well. But this is not a thing that healthy franchises, right? The Expos played twenty two home games in Puerto Rico when they were on the way out of Montreal. There is a precedent and the NBA. There were the Kansas City Omaha kings in the nineteen seventies. And that actually made more sense because the idea, there was let's make this a regional franchise and you see that with with, you know, even the, the saints they play all their home games in New Orleans. But they try to market themselves as the Gulf coasts football team. And so the, the idea behind the Kansas City, Omaha kings was, you know, these cities are three hours apart. Let's split the schedule. Let's make this a regional franchise that didn't work. But at least you can kind of understand the thinking behind it. Right. I mean, they don't even have direct flights between Tampa and Montreal you know what I mean? So they would they would there'd be a whole airline that would. Just to serve the hungry masses of fans that would want to be on that route. All it takes is what two hundred people to fill up a plane at most. So yeah, you're right. I mean that, that, that's a good start. That's starting with you have right now for your average game at Tropicana Filippini way. So living so two hundred that would be, you know, a statistically significant increase in the fan base. Let's talk about it's less fun to just like crap all over this idea. Then to imagine it actually happening. The thing about it is that it imagines players just like totally, like not like instrumental, like, like, you know, Scott Boris the agent was like no player, whatever agreed to this. Like nobody wants to move in the middle of the season. But can you imagine a version? Let's just try to be fun an optimistic and generous that would make sense. And would be fun. And everybody would be like, oh, this actually was a good idea. Like double the fans double, the, you know, double, the geographic footprint. What could go wrong? I mean I, I mean it is kind of cool, right? I mean, I've never been to Montreal. But I heard great things about it on all aspect is what's cool, not like to city idea, right? Yeah. Right. And I mean, like they get Canadian health health insurance like with point you know, I mean you know, maybe you have that in about now than raise don't have to provide health insurance, right? This whole saving the money on one side, too. But yeah, I mean, I guess, like I can kinda see with cool. But, like just imagine like any married. Baseball player in, like what do you send your kids where do you, you know, I don't know? Man, I if you choose to play baseball, you obviously don't are not expecting, like geographic security, you know, you're also committing to, you know, leaving your kids somewhere for for most of the year. Without you, you saying them, should we really be feel bad for these hypothetical? Montreal Tampa players, not seeing their children. And that's because actually I mean they would've come up the minor leagues anyway. I mean, I'm certain that either these cities of that arranged spending that living in Greenville, South Carolina or something. It's your choice to play baseball children. Come on. Right. Yeah. You gotta get over. I mean, they've got the money to take care of it to get real. But yeah, I I just I don't know. Man. I don't I don't think that, like I, I like I said, I lived in Tampa for all the time. This is something that is like they've not been able to figure out and like would it would've is that okay? We can't get one stadium built in this one area. Tweet bills. Two different places. You know before franchising shown that, like, you know. Questionable commitment to the area there, don't know man. That, that, that seems a little dubious to me. It's a little bit like all right. I'm learning to drive. I like can't navigate the street in front of my house, but I'm definitely going to be able to figure out like driving on the interstate like right. That's, that's going to be no problem doing the research on, on this. There's like some like weird history that I didn't know like, did you know, that the Golden State Warriors were the Golden State Warriors? The reason that they're named that is because there was a plan that was never enacted that they would play in the bay and in San Diego. And that they will be a a regional team. It was like Khyber before it could actually happen. But like that was the thing that was that was going to be the plan. Justice really interesting. Because now that you think about it every team that tries to sell itself as read is the regional acts are like apple like those two always sort of like always on the verge of having to move somewhere else. Right. Lied out. No. I'm the New England Patriots seem to be doing okay for themselves. They're finding I guess the Carolina Panthers of fine. I mean, they sold for however billions of dollars but I mean, I guess I just I don't know it just seems like if you if you have to pitch regionally as opposed to like this local area. It seems like it's a little bit more of a difficult proposition. But maybe I'm this is confirmation by writing because Tampa Saint Pete isn't working out right now, do you think it would make more sense football because you could play those beautiful fall Saturdays and Sundays and buffalo or whatever I know buffalo was trying to make the buffalo Toronto thing happen. But maybe the thing that should. Happen is like the buffalo. Mexico City or something. And I feel like this is actually what I think that the baseball thing has a chance to working because I mean seriously. I mean, how many who has time to go to eighty one games that be like near appointments of you like, who cares? But if you missed one of the eight, I mean that's a big deal. You know, I mean, I'm, I'm paying a season ticket package for five games, you know, maybe I don't have money on good seats here in buffalo. I don't have the money to go all the way over at a Toronto all the time. So, yeah, I don't know about none of those very close cities, make that draft before. But yeah, yeah. I think it's actually more realistic in baseball it happen. I just I don't know. You know, the thing is that baseball's bad already. Anyway, I don't like. Seriously? Like I went to again out in Oakland, and Oakland A's just playing in front of like they've got college crowds Nettie college high school crowds out there right now. So like a I'm wondering if like that emphasis on, like where the team is, maybe as actually the wrong when because like it seems more like baseball, just focused on TV like just build like thousand seat stadiums. And like focus on the TV product success, while their money is anyway, because the ideas like, you know, this concrete bones guts of a franchise that, that's a lot of overheads like maybe they should just be team in place for TV, then try to get the TV money. I think that's exactly like the opposite of what their strategy should be look, whatever. Whatever's going on. Right now is working for Tampa. They should I do like the idea of making just like one super weird franchise this just like the like clearly this is isn't working. Let's just do some weird experiments. Yeah. Maybe that's the ideas instead of doing two cities. At least for this one franchise just have been no cities just have them play. You know, virtually haven't planned space have play in, you know, London, you know, just a different experiment every week or every month, but I do like my buffalo Mexico City bills. And you probably couldn't find two more different cities on the face of his goal that. So wait. In two thousand twenty eight where started Trump's, it will ending the, the third term of President Trump. Do you think that this is actually gonna like, what do you think is actually going to happen? I think that they'll probably just move to Montreal that makes more sense. Yeah. They'll move to Nashville or someplace that is Tampa Saint Pete. I mean it's not gonna work there. There's enough evidence to to make that prediction. I think one in their winning people still walk go yet. QA D. Yeah. All right now, it is time for after balls. And let's honor your Tampa Bay rays Joel as looking on the Tropicana field Wicketpeer page as one does. And I think the thing that we need to call out here is the raise touch tank. The thirty five foot ten thousand gallon tank that's filled with three different species of rays, including cow knows rays that were taken from Tampa Bay waters Kyo magin. You're just like account as rag swimming around and Tampa Bay waters, not only do you have to go and it's like indoor tank. Maybe it's actually better that there aren't that many people in the stadium to bother you. It's not that allowed in there. Yeah. That would be I didn't realize this new tank. Is that is this a new development or an like something that has always been there? So there's. There's a table. The Wikipedia page of touch tank home runs. Luis Gonzales had one in two thousand seven so now imagine being account as Ray. You taken from Tampa Bay waters. You're being assaulted by. Baseball's by Gonzales. But, you know, at least you're getting shout out on the hang up and listen podcast, Joel. What is your counties? Ray mcdonagh's rate is so last night on Twitter, which is obviously where everything worth keeping tabs on these days happens. The university of Connecticut football count tweeted out this post with four pictures of the brand new Fraser family locker room in tweet read, quote, welcome to our new home. Hashtag, raise the buy in quote, and there was some OG right in the middle with heart is which I will liberally take to me love at first sight. It's a beautiful locker room like theoretically, this should be a triumphant moment for football program that really hasn't had many of them. I guess, like it's most notable accomplishment is, you know, maybe beaten South Carolina, and Papa John dot com bowl and thousands of nine. I mean they went six zero in two in nineteen twenty four and the New York Times times that they were one of the best teams in the nation that has countless something. So that was the highlight is well, but anyway. The locker room was the culmination of this million dollar donation from alum. Chris Fraser, he's a nineteen eighty graduate of Yukon, who most recently started the CEO of KM, G chemicals and his one million dollars donation was one of twenty maybe uconn athletics with the hope that according to the Yukon blog open, quote, it will help the huskies football program get back on track, and quote, and that is true, if the Yukon blog meant the FCS are independent status because only a day earlier like so the day before this tweet, Yukon announced it would be leaving the American athletic conference for its league. The big east the only problem is that the big east doesn't have division one football. So you kind has the spiffing new lockers in? No rehome forts football team, which seem sort of a bass ackward way of doing things at the program at Randy Edsel built. So what to do Madhu, Matt Brown. Espy nation called us a few months ago, noting you athletic program is facing this forty million dollar budget deficit, which is like this some programs don't even have a. Forty million dollars budget. Let alone have enough to have a forty million dollars budget deficit, but you got has this, and it's always been like this really bad fitne- a seat, which is basically just as mishmash of programs that really have nothing in common but the desire to division when football program. So for those of you that know if you're if you're listening to sports, like sports. I mean, I guess, you would know that Yukon is basketball school. It has probably the most famous in accomplished program in all of women's college basketball at a men's program. That's one three national titles in the past twenty years. So, like today's huskies fans really never got all that AMT about trading biggies rivals, like Georgetown of providence for two lane in East Carolina in this sense you kind of going back to its hoop. Tooks makes a lot of sense like getting out of the football rat race. And like the students at alums of already gotten out of it 'cause like the huskies averaging about ten thousand fans year football games this past year. The problem is that so you can they have nowhere to go there. Got these brand new lockers bad foot boxing, when seven games in the past three years, including one at eleven finish last year. And it's like where are they going to go? Well, it doesn't really make a difference because they've got this really nice locker room and so raising the bar, I don't know. I mean, maybe so. But that music it's the best locker room deaths. Yes, I guess I love how you just don't want these really nice lockers to go to waste. What about this hamp obey Yukon, raise? Oh my God. That would be a really. Have you seen these locker option those baseball players to love that? I think like a PlayStation in there. Problem solved. All right. Josh? So what is your own Ray? So unintentionally I have also selected a Yukon related after ball. What are the chances, so I was doing a little bit of background reading on the Kansas City, Omaha kings, the NBA franchise, they would later become the Sacramento Kings, but we're briefly, the midwest favorite NBA team in the nineteen seventy s I saw this team photo from nineteen seventy two seventy three in the back. There is the rarest commodity in the NBA, the rarest player type a bald white guy with the mustache. And I looked up his name is Toby Kimball. He went to uconn in the nineteen sixties. He averaged eighteen and seventeen boards, a game, the nation and rebounds nineteen sixty four nineteen sixty five his college teammate, Tom penders, who you must know Joel. Yes basketball coach best known for his Perm. Tom penders told the Hartford current in two thousand seventeen we all called him grandpa when we were freshmen, you could throw it anywhere in the area and he'd go get it. I'm not. So sure how those two ideas are connected. But in photos from his college days, Toby Kimball does not have very much hair. So I get the nickname at least Kimball died of a lung disease in two thousand seventeen his obituaries mentioned an interesting fact about him, according to the Hartford current he was one of the first and possibly the first professional athlete to file a cumulative injury. Workers comp claim successfully. Arguing that years in the NBA had brought on long-term knee injuries. He described the toll of those injuries in a nineteen seventy seven Boston Globe column. It was written by Lee montville dot com. Includes the following passage Toby Kimball can't run anymore. In fact, he also isn't the world's greatest Walker. I'm disabled from playing professional sports. He said, look at look at this way, I never could be a milkman postman a lot of things sports. The only thing I can play a slow set of tennis. Doubles I go out there and I just hang by the net. And I'm always making sure that someone in the foursome Dr Kimble. I heard is need his rookie or with the Celtics it was right at the garden. He said nothing spectacular. I just came down wrong. I was put in a body cast, and then I came back and played the knee was never right again, montville wrote that Kimball. Got to taking four or five different painkillers. He took them every day. The thing is never want the team to know. He said they say report all injuries. Well, that's fine. But what happens if you report all injuries report, too many, and they say, see you later, the New Orleans jazz did say see you later releasing him as a quote able bodied player when his knee finally gave way for good Kimball wanted insurance case against the jazz, allowing him to receive disability benefits. The also filed that workmen's comp claim he won seven thousand nine hundred ninety seven dollars and fifty cents a Bill that was divided between five and BA teams. According to Lee montville Kimball quick, taking painkillers after his cut by the jazz, the great Bob Ryan road in two thousand one that Kimball however folically challenged he may have been one of the great ROY. Rebounds in college history. One of the nicest guys ever to play in the NBA. Remember, Toby Kimball, Joel remember? Oh man. That's you know, you had all these brushes with greatness, man. You know, by the way, that Bill check applied for the head coaching job in nineteen eighty three and didn't get a callback. So their locker rooms would probably be nicer. If. What have been nicer sooner? Right. Right. Although Tom Jackson had a winning record the coach that actually got w went, sixty two and fifty seven over that stretch, which is much better than feel Bill. Check went for the Browns right after. So it worked out and have a way of supposed to work out. All right. If you choose to leave that is our show for today. Our producer, Melissa Kaplan, Tillerson, pashas and subscribe, or just reach out, go to sleep dot com slash hang up. You can Email us at hangup at slates you're still here. I'm guessing you might want even more hang up and are bonus this week. I will interrogate Joel about what it's like to travel, the nation covering college sports, that sucks. Is that these places out of the way for the most part? They're not easy to get to really remote parts of the country. They don't have the nicest hotels normally, and so that makes it difficult. 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Matt Schaub, John Kuhn And Browns Are Getting Screwed

"Hey what's up guys. It's big cat before you start listening to this episode. I want to let you know that we're running a special sale on all barstool merch. Go to store dot barstool sports dot com and use code podcast for ten percent off goto store dot barstool sports dot com and use code podcast for ten percent off on today's part in my take. We have matched shaab retired but not retired. Matt schaub seventeen year. Nfl vet legend of the game. We have john koon. we have the loman trophy. If you missed the presentation it was the most important Trophy presentation that happened last night. We won that had somebody's phone. Go off with a doorbell sound. No you didn't see your. Oh his nose. Chris fowler. Oh yeah it was chris. are noise activated by the way. Yeah think they don't start until we. It's like the clapper i actually think it's it's just pete. And that's where he sleeps at night and he waits for us to get started with a show a just. Yes so the pipes are backing him from milo. Hotseat cooled thrown. We have guys on chicks. We have the browns getting fucked over and a lot more and we're also brought to you by our friends at the cash app always brought to you by the cash out. My take is sponsored by the cash up the cash studio right now. Go download the cash app. Use code barstool for ten dollars for free. Ten dollars to the aspca. You can download it with the app store or google play store today and please please support us by supporting the cash app. It's free money. Download that cash app cash up cash it links directly to your bank account and it is the best in the world okay. Let's go an awful version avenue. John welcome to part of my take presented by the cash app. Go download right now. Use code barstool. You get ten dollars for free. Ten dollars to the aspca. Today is wednesday january. Sixth and trevor lawrence won the fan. Vote for the heisman. Which i'm counting as a win for my bet but more importantly I almost said philip buchanan. Melissa james buchanan but it's jacoby buchanan has won the lumine trophy. That's a fact. He is the low man of the year. The best fullback in college football. That's what everyone's talking about today. All the papers are saying it. And it was a big upset for the masons. I think the mason split each other's votes. There were three masons that were that were nominated for the loman trophy. The three masons three. That's the thing the three masonry. Yeah we're all we're saying we already dressed. The freemason said it would be like if you if we had five year old introduce them he would say in here the freemason and also say three hank. This is like a teachable. Moment here do you know what a mason does lays bricks. They make blocks. Same thing as a fullback mason wake. I saw that he's He's using this as motivation. Said revenge tour next year. Oh who's going to be there till he's thirty five is gonna pay him. I love that. I love that all right. So the real heisman winner. I bet on trevor lawrence. So i tried as hard as i could to to get the conversation going which was futile but the real heisman winner. Deserved it. it was devante smith. He was incredible. It's actually. I was thinking about it when you look at some of his games stats. He is essentially like if you inevitably fourteen. You just created a wide receiver and made him ninety nine across the board hit mississippi state two hundred and three yards four touchdowns hundred forty four yards two touchdowns against Kentucky hundred seventy one yards two touchdowns gets auburn. Two hundred thirty one yards three touchdowns against lsu hundred eighty four yards two touchdowns against florida hundred and thirty yards three touchdowns against notre dame. Insane the sec. They don't play defense. Yeah that's a big knock against the conference. I wide receiver to win it since nineteen ninety-one very very much deserved. Also just an absolute I'm happy that devante smith hopefully has a long storied. Nfl career because he is now slim. Reaper the dharamshala or the servant. Kevin durant was given that nickname but did not take it. What a decade ago. It is one of the greatest nicknames ever and it's deserved for devante smith because his legs are so skinny and the slim. Reaper is such an awesome nickname. Tiny little legs like stefan stefan digs could floss with his leg. Yes there that's like there was one picture that espn's twitter account put out where it looked like. It looked like a towel was hanging down from his pants. Yes and but you know what. He's very fast. And i assume that nick sabin makes them workout so he's probably very strong lower body. Y'all just no wasted no wasted area. It's just. I'm just happy that someone is a slim reaper because it is such an exceptional nickname so The heisman happened we'll pick at. You're leaving out another one of the huge win the big winner of the night. Besides those two that you mentioned was cal. Trask because if the nfl doesn't work out for him he can always be in a mountain dew. Commercial yup starring boy. He looks like if mountain band. Yup mixed with billy football billy. Billy was getting some contrast love. I said it about a month ago. the cal. Trask if you're analyzing if you were scouting the crop of quarterbacks kyle. Trask facial hair is a huge negative. He is that is not a franchise quarterback that is a like a sixth inning reliever maybe a long reliever Not like i'm not talking about like a good relieve run. Talking about a guy comes in when when someone gets shelled and he's like all right. I'm gonna also talking about the year. Nineteen ninety-six right. Yeah this is. He's gonna fix that if i if i were. If it happens in the combine happens. I don't know if it will but if i were one of the scouts will be the first thing i'd ask them like how. How open. how much are you in love with your facial hair because it has to go. I liked though. That kind of sneaks up on you because if you watch him play football enough he's always got the chinstrap on and then when he takes it off. It's like whoa. What just happened when a high school basketball players have to cover up their tattoos and then they take the sleeves off. You're like wow okay. That guy gets down cal. Trask yeah but you know what he can always shave. And i think that the issue with his facial hair is i'm still dealing with this To this very day with my own is sometimes you just grow facial hair in the place that you can grow it. Yeah and in college. You're definitely in that spot where you've got some friends that have full beards. You've got some frozen mustaches and cal. Trask i'm sure can only grow facial hair in the area like between his bottom lip and the top of his chin. Yeah so he's got to fix that. And then max jones. I think finished i think back finish. Third cal trask. Four dodgy harris five. Mac jones by the way mac is a great name is real names michael but his middle name mccorkell okay. That's why he's mac. Jones mccorkell jones. This corker that's a plus corcoran jones. Sounds like like a disney character like wrapping mouse or like a a old like curmudgeonly. Irish bartender only will serve you one type of beer like nope. That's all we have. We've got the like guinness and be mish. Coracles mccorkell jones. All right other news browns fucked. The browns are getting fucked so the browns coaching staff pretty much their whole coaching staff. Kevin stefanski the most important one obviously has the cocoa. They are not going to be able to coach on sunday night. The nfl is not giving them any like wiggle room. Now the real issue is like if this was an isolated case. I'd be like okay. I guess the nfl. There's nothing they can do. They gotta play the playoffs. The basically just been powering through the browns having a mini outbreak. The last three weeks they've had lake practice squad guys last. They've got their hands over their ears because they're saying receivers the week before. I think the quote is not a. It's not a team infection issue. It's a community issue single week one of the only businesses. That's open in that entire city is the cleveland browns front office. So yeah every week. And they've had they've had like six receivers get it know. It was the entire receiver room. Then it was the entire cornerbacks room. Yeah now it's the coaching staff. But it's not an outbreak. It's i guess it's not an outbreak. Kevin stefanski coach from a scissor. Lift on the sideline or they should have like. Put a hospital bed in one of the suites like hugh freeze did have fancy given the thumbs up thumbs down. Run or pass out. There should be a way to get around this because greet they're making up all these rules as they go along anyways. So why not if you can figure out a way to have kevin stefanski there. If he's not symptomatic if he's feeling healthy like there should be a way for him to be an isolation. I'm sure the browns would be able to figure out there. Like the cleveland clinic is right. There they be able to figure out a way to like medically evacuate him to pittsburgh and back and the more i think about it the more thing. Maybe the browns are getting all the good test for covert. Yeah maybe because they are next to the cleveland clinic. That's sure there tests are way better than everywhere else in the league. So i have to Solutions want to joke one. That's very selfish. And i just wanna watch one a real one that i actually think the nfl should propose the joke. One is i would love for the browns. They basically like all right. So you have five coaches out. You can pick any of your five former head coach and bring them back hugh jackson it will have even the coordinator todd. Haley greg williams. Now that would be funny. The real solution. And i'm being dead serious on this. They should just be like bill checking coach the browns on sunday. I'm okay bill. Okay nick sabin like put seriously. wouldn't that be. It would be the greatest entertainment to be like okay. Let's see how great coach you are willing to show up five days. Your team brown's fans would absolutely take it like okay. We get like we don't have a coach. This will be our coach for this week. I think it would be incredible thing to watch. I mean the browns are private organizations. They can hire whoever they want they. The patriots would let them know not bill bill. I'm saying like jackson could bring back through jackson and more of a move. That's joe no no no okay. So yeah how about you. Give the steelers hugh jackson and then you just coach normally put seriously say to call and tomlin can be the browns coach. Yes that's fine but yeah magically able to hire whoever they want to like if there's an urban meyer or if there's a coach that is out there right now that knows offense of football. That knows how to coach able to pick a guy. Just imagining jeff fisher. I liked that. Imagine if if they actually were just like you know what browns were fucking you over. You get bill check. Yeah well unless you see what happens got it would be the greatest like game to watch most fascinating storyline of all time. I've got a little little sliver of hope for browns fans and that's that you are team of destiny. This is something i found out yesterday. I've been saving this big cat. Big cat okay. Go ahead sell me. It's it has nothing to do with this weekend but it does have to do with the fact that the super bowl is being played on the one year anniversary of a very important time in the cleveland browns organization owes it swears one year anniversary of swaggers death. Wow their dog died a year ago on the exact date of the super bowl. Okay so unfortunately i. I like what you're trying to do for the listeners of the show that browns fans looking for anything knowing the browns history. And how curse they are. I think that just means that swagger juniors gonna die on the super bowl. Well i don't know. I don't know because everything changed after swagger died. You saw the the tweet that reminded us of the death yesterday. And i went back. I did the math and saw well. I looked at dates and figured out that it was brian loss under ryan locked it but the funeral was well after it was a couple of weeks after the death it was the first and probably the last. We would hope open. Casket funeral fog. That i was aware of. Yes when swagger one died but swagger to is a winner swagger was a lot of things to a lot of people but a winner he was not swagger to had all the best attributes of swagger swagger one laid the foundation for swagger to to come in and turn the browns into winning team but one year later. I feel like if they get. That is a team of destiny vibe except for like everything else. That's happened to. That's also kind of a team of destiny vibe. We'll see we'll see. I mean i. It sucks i i- jeff de low our good friend and colleague who's diehard browns fan. I told him. I was like listen. Dude this sucks. But as i would put the browns probably in the category of what we said on monday. The you know. We're the non-threatening partygoers in the playoffs. This year is it. The worst thing that you get built an excuse and be like we could have won this game. The nfl focus over like this up at icon of one hate if the bears have built an excuse instead of just sucking. The you know we got screwed right. Good news for browns fans is well in addition to that you're playing the steelers and the steelers aren't great. It's a very winnable game now. If someone call it a disadvantage to having no head coach this is on. I'm since bill belichick that not having a head. Coach is actually a disadvantage. That's what i was saying. I listened to her years in the past. Where having your head coach get covert that would that would have been a plus but it is very browns to have the one year the one year that we couldn't have this really good. It went down. Yeah all right other news time. Lasorda's back out of the hospital. Fuck yes let's go tommy Anything else we tape the end of the show earlier. So we'll talk about the ohio state stay womb kovic. I'm keeping an update. I'm kim can't alright. Petri i can. I'm going to love on my hot seat Before we do hot sequel thrown yeah broke up those wide. Little kids can work it out. If there was any couple that i thought would would stand the test of time. It was kim. yeah I think we can all agree right. And then everyone's going to cry about it and be like. Oh my god. How could celebrities divorce. We might get a great connie album coming out of this though. That would be cool. Like taylor taylor swift. Does your best work ask breakup. I'm pretty sure you guys to get material like konya might drop a heater. We're more like it off. The gods stuff yeah. I think we're more likely to get like a banger. Keeping up with the kardashians episode about satanic. Ono we'll get a banger teaser. For keeping up with the kardashians season. Yes yes that won't tell us anything. Yes yeah and then it will come with ended up in episode. I'll be an incredible teaser. Will be like the season's going to be amazing. Ct eight atoms. Brains i do want a connie album where he liked. Totally renounces like his faith. He questions everything out. Call it he call it like i'm off that god tip. Yes speak in the mike. Bill haunted my song on your mic on. Okay go can you don. It's gonna feature mary ojeda. Okay i understand that reference to yours are so sick with mike was honored been better. Who will ricky williams who you were talking about. He's a rapper. Who like santana. Yeah i know. I know that dude. I thought you time with the other. Mary judah judah from atlanta. Georgia american singer songwriter record producer. He began producing music as a teenager. Who you're talking about the prominence. Internet mean with a single die very rough. Yes yeah we know that. What are you what are you talking about. We know him. I'm all right. Let's do our hot see cool thrown henry. You're on the mike which your beef as old will smith member. You sands the phone like that. You're on the mike. What's your beef. yeah. I'm pretty sure that was running for fresh prince would do that. i think. that was Mankato you mike. Man cow are that a sports babe for i think house running for governor of illinois. His man do you remember sports babe. Babe was the sports talk radio. Show host plot twists record scratch. She's bane and you call in and the first thing she'd say are you'd say to her was the real life thing. Oh it'd be your height and weight and you go. Hey babe first time longtime six to everybody was six two six two one eighty five and then she'd go. Oh yeah great. Great hair on sports talk radio. I'm sure she does your sound wise for age. Pf to it seems like some. That wasn't around like you know you're a kid. Yeah pick out was. I know yeah. I'm eight years. I spent a lot of time on on youtube watching stuff that my dad looks at all. My hot seat is the texans camera crew or one guy in particular o. J. j. watt show watson sharing a heartfelt moment. Jj watt was apologizing to shawn watson. He said i'm sorry. Wasted the season for you and a fucking camera guy caught. It caught it off. The kidding me keeps having this happen i. I can't imagine he's happy about. That's pretty embarrassed about that. Because that's something that you know between teammates and alpha's in the nfl. Yes say that behind closed doors or else. Everyone's going to know. What a great dude. Your home. I'm conflicted on this because we've come a long way with. Jj watt from the jj days. He's all he is. He a nice guy very nice guy. I i actually think that that was genuine. No no no. It was set up for the cameras like he knew the cameras were there. But i actually think like generally does feel bad of how that texans defense was that bad. It was corny but it was cute fucking. Coaching staff is a joke. No it was corny. All lake right. It was exactly how like he planned it to go viral all that shit. I'm saying like as just looking at the facts of how bad the texans defense was. I think apology was in. Order are shawn watson. So i'm looking at this the same way that you could look at britney spears paparazzi pictures from the early two thousands when she was going through and being a party girl enraging so yet there were times that she knew the paparazzi was going to be there and he'd step out of her limo with a nipple hanging out. But there are also instances where just because she was partying so much. She you know. Swing the door open in happening catching up. Skirts shot over landing strip right and so that's kind of what's happening with. Jj where. i'm sure he has said this before. Like it was framed to perfect. of course it was. This looks like joe burrow video on senior night the way they were trailing them out with four k lens. Jj knows is probably jj's personal photography jj like if you if you scouting Chart of jj watt strengths. Like you know unbelievable motor power strength all this stuff also incredible ten out of ten and always knowing where the cameras he awareness. He would admit that but there wasn't apology. In order for john watson. oh well look at big cat now. No protect we call. That's not what i'm sats. How how did you get that. There was an apology order from their defense. That's just their defense. Was that bad. I mean it's tough to. It's tough to win. Four games itself to have the leading. Jason issued. A one eleven. I don't know about that but to have the leading the quarterback who leads the league in passing and win four games. That's tough to do. It is very tough to do. The mccutcheon seattle. Yeah there's talks about adding to nba expansion teams in their heating up looking like things are trending in the right direction. How does to seattle. I don't know but i want to pittsburgh. I want the sonics to very much return. Yes i really want it for our dear friend. Spencer hawes but i also there's like this member when the us didn't make the world cup and it was the funniest moment. Ever it would be very funny. If they added two teams and neither were in seattle. it would also a face value. I don't want to happen. I'm not rooting rooting for the sonics. To come back. They should be the number one team that gets a franchise if they're adding any teams again though if they added to and they're like yeah it's going to be How about this tone. A beach and louisville. Okay i was gonna say louisville in las vegas but we call the las vegas supersonics or they'll do like we know what we're going to add it to vegas but they're going to play three. Preseason games in seattle they treat seattle. The nfl used do the america bowl where they go over to japan on game toronto experiment. Yeah there's like. Yeah yes basically seattle. I just wanna see. I don't have a basketball team. They can bring back to shawn kemp. Rainman shoes those things are the kamikazes. I am a little worried though for spencer because if they do bring back the sonics like does he die. because i think that's all he sees. Yeah that's it for us. The only thing he's looking helton peleton. Yeah washington football and the saturday. Okay that that's my cool thrown. Okay thrones is it's hussy cool throws equal throwing bare minimum minimum goal. You are if it was hot. Seat cool thrones. Hotseat school thrones. How would have multi hots however big mac hotseat world handball. Hotseat so careful. that's right. Watch out don't let the usa get hot. Were returning to the national international stage on january fourteenth the big tournament whatever they call that the world sir. A bunch of countries are getting together and playing each other recess. It's just a shit. Look bends world handball. Championship physical education. Yeah what's block period five and six. Hopefully we can get the presidential award this year so i looked it up. We're in the group of death. I don't know that. But we're playing norway. Austria and france at feels like they're really good the handball growth breath so we open it up against austria. So hot seat. Matthew del dove. Were coming at you buddy and it's going to be. It's going to be tough for us because austria austria and we're gonna be playing on the fourteenth and when you look on google at the schedule as got all the countries flags and then the us just has the generic grace spot there which is how you can tell that would like to create a blur ready to go for team handball. Yes So yeah we are on the group of death. I feel like my entire team. We're gonna we're gonna win tyree retiree. No i played handball. Two thousand sixteen with during quarantine on top box. His name is tyler read a wide receiver alabama. Oh turned he did what billy said he was gonna do. Got it so we played football. Turn into basically everything we've said is hundreds of factual basically the best one we save alabama is now a star player. The guy who was on special teams for for five years at alabama is the best player in the world is always on the tino. The best he's the best everyone knows her in the world. I've read hang up in the closet. And i love that. We still like the fact that we had that was right. Around this year this time last year with with jay cutler but that we got a handball. One of the best in the world and he was fucking accountant. guy was cool but he was county. You know what else i like about this whole conversation. Is that like the international handball community is probably the most active online community in the w- the world. So you know that. They've got a lot of time on their hands To just like name. Search a real elite sport would not have that amount of time and the best part is they don't they don't even realize that like they're like Back it up dude. No thank you know like this week. Talking about we literally fighting jose canseco for me i do not back. We start fights. Okay talk shit yeah. My other hot seat is tradition. The nfl are excuse me the nhl Spat in the face of traditions. There renaming their divisions and they're giving them corporate slogans or corporate sponsors. No so it's the honda. Division the scotia division. Guess which one that is wait. That's not actually real. Yeah discover and mass mutual division. The nhl nhl said the nfl i but i switched it to nhl nhl. Excuse me okay so yeah. The nba would never do something like this. And they'll sell out the corporations and put logos on their official uniforms but the nhl is bad. Look for the kids or they're trying to make some money up. Yep they're trying to make some money up. They got the the logos on the helmets. Some of his care about tradition. Big cat just get to you know. Keep the league alive. Every uniform should look like notre dame and michigan from nineteen ten. Yes my co phone. Oh yeah i that. I did on minimum. Yeah my cou thrown is swag kelly. So no offense. Cj beathard swag is back like a like a prodigal son returning to a party with an assault rifle. Swag kelly has returned to the land of his birth. I actually don't know is he from c. from buffalo. I know his family is obviously so he's the nephew. Jim kelly But he's backing the landing ancestors and it's classic bell check with the bills are doing because guess who swag was most recently playing for the colts. Yup kid got their playbook he does. I like to. I like to think that swag had his. He definitely doesn't well he. I my hypothesis is that they had three separate playbook. Philip rivers playbook they had the jacoby playbook which is just sneaking the ball and then they've got swag kelly which is when you need to take like an intentional safety but may look unintentional or have like. Somebody assaulted a referee or cameraman he. He doesn't have a playbook physically but because they probably took it for but he also definitely hasn't retained any of the information. Well that's what i'm saying like. He had his one specific. It's like swag we're gonna send you out there. Please get us a fifteen yard misconduct penalty or stand for this billy. Maybe he's mr irsays banana boat guy. Bill you're going to stand for anything. You swag is silent. What draft was it that he was the best. The best quarterback from this draft is swag. Kelly was like two thousand seventeen or something. Yeah you said that. I said that i was like that summer. I guess most talented most agree with. You can say that nobody wanted guys who just go off the reservation like me exactly. I could've been. I could've had it all. Could it be contender all right. My hot seats is Alabama in ohio state. They're playing in the national championship on monday. But they aren't the national champions so The new york times noted football publication had an article that said the college football champion. Not in the title game and this guy. has deemed that the university of connecticut. Because they were the first football subdivision team to squarely face the coronavirus and decide against playing a single snap during a raging endemic should be are twenty twenty twenty one national chair. The real champs. How how. i'm actually in favor of that just to watch how badly that pisses off randy edsel initial. No dude. are you kidding me. Rental definitely has a ton of clauses. That gets them so many bonuses for this really probably he probably has a clause like if the new york times deems us nashville radio king closet. So i love this take because it reminds us that the tennessee titans should actually not be in the nfl playoffs because they did not take corona. Seriously i love it when sports writers just like arbitrarily smart. I don't know i. I unfortunately can't read the article Because i don't have a subscription to new york times. But i saw and someone else transcribe the paragraph. But yeah it's i'm in favor of aac. I'm in favor of awarding meritless national championships as ground breaking news thrown. Maybe it works perfectly with the hotseat breath. Murphy just tweeted this thirty one seconds ago because of code issues at ohio state there has been discussions last in the college. Football playoff game stay woke the. Nfl is going to postpone the browns game to monday. And then they're going to postpone the national championship game. The following saturday shit knows has football. Yeah you always use. I can't look you always get the. Nfl playoffs schedule. I can't look ahead longer than one week. I'm taking miami schedule for our entire life. Except this year it's different is their second weekend is completely the same. They've got a game on fucking nickelodeon this weekend. That's never happened before the six games this in the future ex is saturday to game sunday. Two games as always in the in the championship. Sunday is always two games on sun. Okay so then. The national championship game would be delayed till my volume monday. Yeah which for the record. I'm absolutely in favor of that. Yeah let's have as much football as we can for as long as you live and also Stay stay woke woke. They have covert issues. Does it happen to be somewhere around. Justin fields ribs I am the preeminent rib. Truth err on online. Yeah i. I'm gonna throw a flag right now. I would say an extra week would help those bruised ribs i would say In terms of a punctured lung Calling it a rib issue. The rib punctured the long the long it. But maybe he doesn't have cove and maybe just at a higher susceptibility to get it. Yes 'cause he's got like a tracheotomy tube going into his long That would be cove related win. I'm just saying i feel like it would i. It's so stupid. How suitable a and like 'cause i don't even think the answer. It's just the conferences now Like i saw this before the college football semifinal. The day before clemson was done with testing but ohio state still had to test the morning of the game Like it's so stupid. How all this is going weird in the you know. We talked about the browns beginning to show. It's all crazy. You feel like ohio. State gets helmet stickers. For every time they put on a mask a meeting or every time they passed the test. Yes ended things out like candy now. I'm just saying those ribs might be feel a lot better a week later right Just just thrown there. That's just science. My cool thrown is to he's been announced starter for twenty twenty one. Which i didn't know they announced starters right. Now that's always a great sign in. Your front office is like this guy is going to be. I don't know where. I don't know who's going to be alive in two weeks. It's so like thinking all the way to september. There's a lot that can happen there and well as burger says we're microwave society. Yes and mike website right now. We want everything fast. We want everything now. So in ferguson. For it's good for two again my lot less about two and more about the fact they have the third pick overall but hey if they want to go with two. That's fine but you know what saying that. Like he is right. Now are starter on a roster. I love that. I love because you leave yourself open to literally doing anything. Yes in the offseason. It also just a heads up as dolphins fans. I'm wearing all dolphins gear. Shout out the guy who sent me a triple. Xl dolphins jumpsuit It's you know like tired wired. Tired being haunted by two quarterbacks wired being haunted by like three or four because they're already haunted by justin herbert. Well i'm by shawn watson patrimony. But they're haunted by justin. Herbert who's to say. They don't draft a quarterback this year. And like zach wilson trae lance justify. All these guys turn out to be hall of famer. Oh my god and then just have like three years of roger goodell man. I'll tell you what you know. They say if you have two quarterbacks you don't have one now she to two point eight. That's pretty good. Point poops to boobs. That's two point eight boobs very. I'm actually shocked. I haven't said that like every single week. Why think frank tank has been around enough that he's probably said it Probably all right my other cool thrown not minimum guys not on this side of the room. Were not minimum guys Billion hank our minimum guys flight tracker flight trackers all the way back fire. Love going to jacksonville. Also shot con. Wow what a what a like galaxy brain move to be like. We're trying to hire the best new head coach. But just so we're clear i'm the one who's still in charge of the roster me shod con super crazy rich guy who doesn't know anything about football. I'm okay with that because at least he's saying every every other owner will be like. No you know. I let my football guys the football work. I just sit here. And i write the checks and watch the games. And i think probably the successful franchise is out there. Actually have that but those aren't the ones that are ever looking for a coach right. So now you've got a situation where every opening is going to be an owner. Who publicly says. I'm gonna let you do your thing. Yeah and the next thing you know. You're drafting a quarterback in the first round because he played beer pong with your son in high school right and then that becomes an issue for you know the devil you know is fine and also. I'm glad you brought up flight tracker because big shout out to all the people on the message boards out there Tiger droppings is huge on it. I know that hog ville has certainly made its name in terms of tracking. These flights coast-to-coast finding the coaches. I've got like five different floor guys in my dm's always. I'm and i love all of you guys for doing god's work. We loved her. If these guys were in charge of norad on september eleventh we would never have gone through anything bad. Yup so Great job keep doing what you're doing real american heroes and patriots. All right Minimum guy. i don't know what that means. What is it. You're gonna do your one hotseat in one cool thrown. I have like five. Oh hero hotseat. Pirate streamers dana white. Says he has a special surprise for anyone who pirates as you have. See fuck you asked threatening streams mother is doug peterson john fighting soon by the way. Yeah that's gonna be awesome going. Wait what do you think. We think. Dana white's going to do what a specialist probably gonna show he's like if you are sitting there pirating all of a sudden. Your doorbell rings each get punched in the face. I think fox's like going on the us the ufc charter with dana. To fight allies. I was thinking about what you could combat pirating. I bet he's gonna like send out a bunch of troll links higher. Tom hanks read it. Oh so here's what he might do. He might send out trolling center all infected with viruses. So he makes people escaped like a landmine. When you click on periscope which he doesn't realize that already exists every time you click on one of these links it's always there's a fifty fifty chance you get your computer faulk but this time it like one hundred percent. Maybe rick roles you. Oh that's what i'm thinking meet spin. That'd be a good idea or just goes to a livestream of dana white joke. That only us well twenty seven but over thirty get what's meets benson big cat. Hey big cat hates dot com. Have you looked up. botha man. Don't get got that. Someone gave me last. They got you pretty good. My hot seat is jeb bush's tiny arms Here's getting the vaccine is arms affairs. Fuck oh okay. i'm getting into my backups. you keep going my other hotseat system. Jose canseco us ask jeb bush. Follow me on twitter mother. Hotseat those ramahatra's okay. That is a very small arm on jeb bush. He's a super big right arm. He's a right winger. Yeah damn sorry. He's actually not even that big of a right winger anymore. Was that photo shopped. It looks photo it does. I'm going to dm. I'm going to dm jeb. Bush real quick and ask him if that was photo shopped. Right by what. He got cultural in my last cool. Thrown it oh Hotseat is the weekend because he got really weird plastic surgery that it may be fake though. It's kinda creepy anyway. All right. let's get to our interviews and forgot about this. But i've got you tried to get him on the show no but i never deemed him. Oh i it looks like i've been several times in the past. Just trying to get him to join my fancy. Football league allows right. Yeah we're going to say hake. You're not serious about the weekend right. did you see. It's a music video. Got the bandages on four. Th that's the that is the music he went to the guys news. Michael jackson is actually a zombie. God billy this is bad. Billy no i know but he was wearing the bandages before. Billy take it tricked by hollywood. You got tricked by costume by the lowest former tricks weekend. Play a plastic surgery disaster in tears. Well i just saw the weekend got terrible plastic surgery. You're the guy from. Jamiroquai invented way defy. Gravity was the the Okay goeke was that name. Yeah they're the ones that do all the goldberg machines and they also yeah. They get on the treadmill. Yeah treadmill accident if you leave a a cucumber on the ground next football he'll panic and flip out about it. Cool chad kelly. Okay let's get your interviews. We have. I no longer retired. And you'll find out why that shop legend of the game seventeen year. nfl career. We talk about everything with him And we're brought to you by friends at me undies beyond these are back in twenty twenty one. We're all wearing our news right now. That is absolutely true. I have a drawer photo of me undies because they are the softest best underwear out there. They're not only soft but they look good. You feel good feel good play good play good pay good. Miandi has the best subscription service out. 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Okay here he is not shaab. Okay we now welcome on a very special guest. Recently retired a fantastic seventeen year career in the nfl is match. Shaab what we thank you for joining us. Can we first start with. Are you actually retired. Because i read a tweet yesterday. That said After our show today match shop found out. He is retiring from the falcons. You found out your retiring or you retired. Well no i. It was something that i knew is going to happen. You know my contracts up so You know this zip romy unless a superintendent enticing offer yeah down the pipe and whatever you never wanna say never but As far as me in my career where my family's man. I couldn't be more happy and content and satisfied with my journey and the nfl playing quarterback in. This is the end of the road. I wanted to just let it be known that i'm gonna go out on my terms and call it. A career retired. Breaking news match job is not retired. I love we had you on. We've got that. Actually you know what that's the interview. We'll talk to you when you retire well. The paperwork has been filed quality at song. So that happens. You know you're not you're not done. So yeah the phone. The phone is gonna ring for you. Like there's there's going to be room in the nfl match for the next twenty years. I'm convinced of it and it's funny because you were that same that same draft class as ben rothlisberger and ally manning in philip rivers. Y'all need to talk about matt. Shaw as being part of that elite draft class. Because the those guys have you know they've started for the same team for you know upwards of sixteen years but like having this long of a career in the nfl as a quarterback is extremely tough to do and we talked about it a lot of the show. How there's like dirt guys. Who who can become backups. Who are still. Sometimes you know one of the top thirty top forty quarterbacks in the entire world that can turn that into like a long career. And i'm always curious to know like you played both sides of you're great start for a long time and then you are a great backup quarterback. Did you have to like change. Anything about the way you prepared like. Did you have to start driving less swaggie car so you wouldn't be able to upstage this star guy. Like was the difference in skill. Set there why. I think the one thing that you have the justice when you're the starter you're getting all the reps you're out of practice. You're the guy you're in the huddle you're getting all the physical reps to get ready to play but when you're the backup you know and i started my career out here in atlanta's the backup to michael vick. So that's how i developed in this league. And then i got my opportunity in houston the but then going back to the backup role. You just have to do everything mentally. You envision everything and then when you're doing the scout offense and given the defense the looks for sunday you have to put yourself in the game so it's just a little bit different mindset but you try to prepare mentally much the same as if you're the starter but you're just not getting the physical wraps and that's the big thing but as far as driving. Ls swaggie car. Driving matt ryan the quarterback. And he's been here. He's got the coolest mercedes out. There was no endangerment of me like driving a nicer car than have so. That was off the table so but in terms of personality. Because i would assume when you do become the backup there is a little bit more of like you're a team player. You know like you said the wraps you don't get all the reps. You're probably having to do some scout work for the quarterbacks room for the offensive coordinator. Is there something that you know that you knew about your personality. Like hey i can. I can last here. Because i'm a team guy and i i enjoy just being around everyone whether i'm playing or not. You know one thing that i embrace coming here because i had a prior relationship in new matt ryan for a lot of years. Use an established veteran elite quarterback in this league for me it was to be an extra set of eyes to validate some of the things. We're doing game planning wise with our reads with some of our hearts. Are you know what we're gonna do for zero pressure versus a certain defense or look and just be astounding. Because i've been in his shoes a lot of guys as a backup haven't been in starting role so it's hard for the started a trust wh