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20200804 Nicole Sandler Show -Tuesday with GottaLaff & Back to School with Randi Weingarten

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20200804 Nicole Sandler Show -Tuesday with GottaLaff & Back to School with Randi Weingarten

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It's time for Nicole. Sandler's what's news from Nicole Sandler Dot Com, and the progressive voices network UN Secretary General says, the world is facing a generational catastrophe because of the havoc covid nineteen is wreaking on education system. As. It stands more than a billion students have been affected by the pandemic, and that could mean long term consequences for other critical issues like child marriage in January quality, you agencies are working with education partners on ways to prioritize school openings once local corona virus outbreaks subside including targeting education in relief funding and exploring new teaching methods here in the US new studies suggest frequent testing will be the key to keeping classrooms and college campuses safe in the UK the British government says it's secured millions of rapid corona virus tests that can detect the virus in about ninety minutes. Randi Weingarten. President of the American Federation of Teachers Appears on my show, the Nicole Sandler. So Tuesday afternoon at five eastern on the grow voices network to talk about what's at stake and the best way to move forward. Trump meanwhile continues to gaslight the nation by telling us things are going really well in the fight to contain the Corona Virus axios Jonathan Swan attempted to correct him and try to get him to actually consider real facts numerous categories. Will lower than the World Lo the lower than Europe in what in what take a look Case Steph Death Oh you're doing death is abortion cases on talking about deficit proportion population. That's why the US is. Really. Much, worse than South Korea. And you can't do that. You have. To go by. You have to go by where look here is the United States you have to go by the cases, the cases as a proportion. Somebody. What it says is when you have somebody that has it with a case, the people that little from those cases, it's surely a relevant statistic to say if the US has X. Population and X. percentage of death of that population versus Southborough by the cases who could South Korea for example, fifty, one, million, population, three, hundred deaths it's like crazy. Faking their statistics. I. Have a very good relationship with the country, but you don't know that. Remind you of anything. I. Told you you did not. Didn't. Want. It is no. Contradiction. Manhattan, district. Attorney's. Office suggested in a court filing. Monday that they're investigating the president and his company, the Trump Organization for possible bank and Insurance fraud, the filing was made in response to a lawsuit by trump's attorneys who have argued that prosecutors were acting in bad faith by issuing what they described as a quote sleep overbroad subpoena sticking trump's personal and corporate tax returns from Trump's accountants in the filing prosecutors argued, the subpoena wasn't too broad since that notion is based on the false premise that the inquiry is limited to hush money payments made by the president's former personal lawyer, Michael Cohen, and twenty. Sixteen. The documents mention quote public reports of possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the trump organization. The office was already investigating hush money payments. Trump's legal team made to chew women who claim to have had affairs with the man. This comes as Deutsche Bank investigates the longtime banker of Donald Trump and jared Kushner in Manhattan Condo deal in more executive overreach Donald Trump on Monday said that he had the power to block mail in voting although he stopped short of saying. He'd actually do it. He said, I have the right to do it. We haven't got there yet but we'll see what happens year right but it's not only Nevada more states are making it easier for their citizens to participate in mail in voting ahead of November's election Nevada was the eighth state along with District of Columbia to adopt universal vote by mail for the presidential election. Minnesota has agreed to drop a provision from its mail in voting process that required voters to. Get a notary or witness to sign their ballot envelope. Meanwhile, the Postal Service says they're ready to handle the demands of increased Bala after trump who's already repeatedly criticised mail in voting questions its ability to do so and now we turn to this census where the Census Bureau confirmed on Monday that it will end its counting efforts for the twenty twenty cents a month early on September thirtieth instead of October thirty first, this affects everything from door to door to online phone. And Mail Collection of census forms about four households out of every ten nationwide still have yet to be counted. Democrats in Congress expressed concern that the White House is pushing for stopping the count early to benefit Republicans. When House. Beats Our reapportion and voting districts are rejoined remember the sense only happens once every ten years and the results affect how much funding and representation places get the director of the census. Bureau, says, there's still time enough to get a complete inaccurate count. And that's just a bit of what's news for now on Nicole Sandler if you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show I, hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported and I can't do it without your help find out more at Nicole Sandler dot com, and please click on that donate button right. So we made it through a few technical problems and it looks like I'm not on facebook but we're streaming on on periscope and, of course, progressive voices network and everywhere else and I'm excited to welcome to the program Randi Weingarten Randy is the president of the American Federation of Teachers Randy you there. Can you hear me Randy your mic there you are. I can hear you. Style. L. U., on on I, just direct messaging you that I am here. I see you and thank you so much for jumping on. With US I know It's crazy times right now and I really appreciate you taking a few minutes to talk with us. First of all, how are you doing? How are you holding up through all this madness that we're living through? You know I mean thankfully. A I and my wife, we just had a COA tests last Friday, and so I'd never been so happy to see you know something that says negative. Thankfully we are okay I was. With a lot of people last week because we get our convention so. I've insisted that everybody that I was on my staff against tested because their safety comes first even though we all wore masks. We, all were sixteen physically distant, but I am really worried about our country. Because we haven't beat the virus. in fact, we open too quickly and now a, it's a terribly agonizing decision because we know we need school learning but safety is paramount and we need to make sure that our kids in our educators at our communities are safe in that the safeguards are they are, and that they are funded and it's been really really excruciating to have to deal with a president who's in denial and a secretary of education who can't even articulate what a plan looks like for safe school it's it's infuriating and I'll I'll tell you I've never been so grateful that my kid is done with school before I mean because what's happening I I? Just I look on in disbelief every day and you know I'm down here in Florida where we have a governor who you know likes to follow Donald Trump around with his tongue hanging out and is completely inept as trump is and and and it shows with our numbers down here. So Randi Weingarten is president of the American Federation of Teachers, how do you talk to your membership? I mean people rightly. So have to be freaking out and I and I've read at least down here in south Florida I know a lot of teachers are taking early retirement rather than going back into the classrooms where they could be putting their lives in harm. Well, we're seeing far too many people retire early we're seeing. So we are seeing. Far Too much recklessness on the part of trump. And CORCORAN and scentists. As. Well, as pressure behind the scenes to stop people from doing what is the responsible thing to do. I've heard about lots of pressure that they've put on. You know school boards and other things at other entities lansing. You know like we saw in Palm Beach silencing trying to silence A. A health. Department official. But at the end of the day. That's why in Florida, the the Florida. Education Association in conjunction with its to national unions. And the N. Double ACP took the lawsuit to actually make safety I. Not Politics I and the sand is just basically making politics I. It's a real disregard of the lives of kids and communities send teachers and so I think that's why you're saying. Broward Miami Dade and others that are taking the step to get a waiver to start schools remotely regardless of consequences and even though whole said, there will be some rationality there because they know that in the middle of a surging pandemic of communities, spread can't reopen schools you might have been able to reopen schools if the scientists. Scoff at what New York did. and. Actually, took some lessons from New York. Ed. Re Open more slowly to make sure that there was less humidity spread. But what you have in Florida is huge communities Fred now and denying it is not going to make it go away. Right. At trump got up on TV I guess today and said Florida's doing great that no, we're not. That's the sad thing is you would hope that. Even, if he's inept, he'd at least be honest but we can't even get that out of him so we have to. Turn to our more immediate experts. So Randi Weingarten who I mean I know the American Federation of Teachers just came out with a sixteen page document I can I'll post it on the blog today at Nicole Sandler dot com I post the show reopening school building safely, and it's a lot of common sense stuff even with all that in place. Would you still recommend kids go back into the classroom or can. It depends where you are Nicole in in. Florida. Look I. There are lots of places like in Miami Beach. I would not recommend that kids go back to school Let me. Let me start again. Kids going to school. Yes. August and September. The issue is whether they're going to school buildings are whether they're going to school. And how do we make either of these things? Folk and so in places like La. HOUSTON ATLANTA MIAMI. These places where you have Kobe read that is as high as it is right now and not a bathing kids cannot go back to school building right and what the doctors are telling us. Is that if they did then you would actually even spike more communities spread. And so when we're trying to get communities spread down not up, you can't do that. You can't we open school buildings and have be super spreaders. Secondly, the effect of reopening schools where you have huge communities thread is that kids and their families and teachers and their families will test positive and will God forbid get sick. So in a place of community spread, you have to look at things really differently. The other two issues are you have to have the set of guard rails which we announce said again in our second report, but we've leaned did to actual citations of where people are doing it like states and cities people are using these guardrails. You have to have the safety precautions and you have to fund it, and so if you don't have if you have communities read, you can't we open. If you don't have that kind of level of communities I'm not told me about percents. I'm talking about you have communities spread of like five percent have transmission rate where one person is affecting more than one person that means that outbreak becomes a search. If, you don't have communities bread. Than if you have the guard rails and you can fund them. You haven't good closing procedure including. And tracing and isolation you can reopen in hybrid manner and the reason I say hybrid matter meeting. Some remote some in person because to reopen fully essentially means you're going to need fifty percent more teachers and you're gonNA need fifty percent more space and most places in America don't have either of that or can't afford either a bash horns. That's why you've had people talking about so much this hybrid model right and and yeah I mean there's so much I mean I guess if we had unlimited money for our schools that it would make things a lot easier. But as it is, we have teachers digging into their own pockets to buy supplies. Schools are historically horrifically underfunded and the the money it would take to make everything safer social distancing and all that. It's just not there could be if everyone paid their fracture taxes, but it's not there now. Already and could be A. It could be now. Randi. Weingarten guard not also be remiss if I didn't ask you about the other group of people that you represent a Kaz I learned a few years back when I was at Nafta. That American Federation of Teachers, not only represent teachers, but you're one of the largest nurses unions in the country to how are your nurses doing. People are scared again that we're you know the nurses of the ones and the doctors the ones that are putting out a coal castle were this Cohen Resurgence and they're the ones who are like, why are you reopening too early? Why are you attempting? Why? Why did you not learn the lessons of? March and April, and so we're starting to see. Shortages again of p PP were starting to say shortages of emergency rooms of intensive care units, and even though the good news is that that. There's less death, the doctors and the nurses are learning more about you know have about what to do in terms of ventilators what to do with you know. What kind of steroids were what to do to try to deal with all the lung damage that produces they're starting to law learn about the longer term implications. So you're seeing even though we still have one, hundred, Fifty, seven, thousand people die you're seeing less staff because of what they learned. They are really really concerned still about this pandemic and one us to make sure that things are handled safely. It's you know it's it's been. Because nurses with our educators have. Have have have really urged that we be careful in terms of schooling and not to actually be reckless in terms of reopening too fast. And it seems that that's where we are and I'll tell you one other aspect that I really haven't heard much talk about. But as we get through this, if we get through it, if we come out on the other side, we're gonNA need. Immense mental health capabilities because slow right from teachers and nurses the frontline. Heroes who are have to go to work to those of us who've been isolated at home for so many months I mean we're all going through. and. We're going to have a definite mental health and I hope somebody has that somewhere in their plans. As we go forward, I, say someone could not the trump administration teachers have had to do this already terms of seeking through the start of this year and what kids will need. So and and and what is lunacy is teachers know more than anybody else that kids need in school learning course. They that the reason we started planning. So early meeting in April was because we didn't want to repeat what happened this year, and so then you say these days because they handled it so poorly, and then they don't care about what happens to teachers or kids it's. Harvey, they the the welfare of our kids first foremost on our minds as is their safety and health. Well randy my thoughts are with you and all of those people you represent the teachers and the nurses I mean what a what a constituency you have there and these people need deserve our thanks and our our help. However, we can help them and. An our blessings, because they're the ones that are doing it, they know what they need and I'll trust them before all listen to the orange maniac in the in the White House pretending to be an expert Randi Weingarten thank you so much anything else. We can do that what what we can do to help you and help your nurses and teachers. Just you know we are now waiting for a vaccine you're not waiting to communities fred gets to zero percent. Everybody understands that we're in the middle of the pandemic and this is about how we try to. Do with the need of kids to see each other and be in school together as well as making sure that things are health healthy and safe and say, but we need to listen to the science and to the safety needs of our communities and our kids and our educators and not. Have, the politicians actually listen to that. Instead of denying that that exists the anger I have for a person like A. Or trump or voss who completely disregards the health and safety needs of our communities and of our kids and is willing to jeopardize them. It's just unconscionable. It's unconscionable. I. Agree One hundred percent. Well, I'm glad you're on the case, Randi Weingarten President of the American Federation of Teachers Find Them At af dot org find randy on the twitter's are Ranga Weingarten and and thank you so much. I appreciate your time today. Thank you. Take Care Bye. Bye. Thank you. Randi Weingarten I just I have so much. My sister is a teacher. She's a a special What does she is she's a a special ED specialist I think it's called and. She's like I don't I still don't know if they tell me I have to go back. Oh, I guess I'll go back 'cause she's too young to retire I mean, what are you supposed to do? that. Is the question. All right. It is to stay gotTa Laugh Astounding Bile. Tell you what we'll do is take a very quick time out and We'll be back with with God laugh. On the Nicole Sandler show and the progressive voices network. Okay tell you what while Progressive. Voices, and a break we'll listen to Jim hightower real quickly and we'll be back real quickly. Don't go away. We'll be right back. Socialism's Snarl Donald at a recent PEP rally far-right Republicans and the obedient crowd of trump. Easter snow back in unison social is. There, you have the entire intellectual content of the GOP's twenty, twenty reelection strategy under in release mole trump. Slept Democrats with skirl. Brand new them as Lenin Trotsky. Stalin reincarnate is not just trump hissing out the socialist label in a frantic mccarthyesque to make it stick by mindless repetition but also Republican lawmakers unfortunately for them they're overplaying a week hand and bumbling over their own ignorance Texas Senator John Cornyn, for example, compare. Democrats who support ideas like Medicare for all to Mussalini. Apparently Cornyn is unaware that the British. Dictator was no socialist but a fascist Mussolini's -nology ultra-nationalism masculine authoritarianism section of democratic rights and rule by wealthy elites is the opposite of the democratic. Agenda. Indeed. It describes the policies of guess who trump and his acolytes including cornyn. The real problem for the GOP. Nearly squawking socialism makes them sound like not oh fuddy-duddies but that the democratic policies they're attacking are enormously popular with America's workaday majority government backed healthcare for all. Sure. Why should CEO's and Congress critters only wants to get this affordable higher education? Of course for that helps all of America a wealth tax, corporate giants and the super rich long overdue restore the rights of Labor and restrain the rise of monopolies. Yes. This is Jim hightower saying far from socialism visit Democratic populism, and honest popular rebellion against the corporate plutocracy Immonen by trump and Cornyn which sadder you on. You're listening to the Nicole Sandler show on the progressive voices network and the goal Sandler Dot Com. Come. In. As when? I. GotTa Laugh joins us here on the Nicole Sandler show but wait a minute I. got. You know as usual I got a I get laffy on the line when we're GONNA talk so. Because I just see a picture of her here on the screen but anyway, we'll. We'll push the buttons and say hello up no election hotline. Oh. Say That again because I didn't have your pot up when I first started hearing from you, I don't see why Mandy you'll. You'll. You'll see me in a second. Okay. Yes, you've reached the. November election hotline. Okay. Yeah Press one of you think trump will get people to stop voting by mail by forcing them to use only stamps with his face on them. Press two. If you think, they'll get trump out of the White House by leaving a trail of big MACs leading straight to his secret service. That's three that he when you. GotTa can't get this out. Press three. If you think when trump loses, he'll have more time to spend with his family, which is exactly what he's doing. Everything he can to win absolutely. Oh, Nice Day. I almost okay. So. There you are. Yeah. I know I. got you back. Okay. Hopefully. Can you see me now? Frozen. I know I know why? Okay. Because what happened was when my when I started streaming and we had no sound going to facebook. What I realized was it was it was the software that I use to stream video at something called wire cast, and there was just something that got fugard in it. So I had to stop it because when all else fails reboot and so I rebooted it and the Audio was fine. Doesn't that figure but yes. So anyway, that's through everything off. That's why we're not on facebook because I couldn't get it going on facebook again but we are still streaming video on periscope and I'm still still suspended from Youtube, which really pisses me off. So I still don't see you by the way we still don't see me. Why would I see you? I see, Randy. Wow that's weird. Randy hold on I know how we can do this. Okay. Values. Cmih I got all my little tricky here. So Alfie your face. Just now I understand I understand I. feel the same way. Okay. Let's because you know that I want to read something I do. Do you want to go right to tweet? We can. All right. So somebody lose the burden on. Twitter. Okay let's tweet. Okay. So this came actually tweeted out too but I'm reading this directly from the website. Of AN MSNBC producer named to Arianna Picardy who worked apparently on the Lawrence O'Donnell show. Okay Yep. and. It's titled is I'm going to read this to you guys It's kind of long. So bear with me it says personal news why I'm now leaving MSNBC. K.. Let's see Ya. Here we go. Just quit that's the advice Alex gave a year and a half ago when I express concerns about my job quote you just quit it's that simple stayed MSNBC at least until midterms Jeffrey said a couple of years back he advised to watch and see what happens. Whoops sorry I hang in there you're needed Elizabeth recommended last winter I was in your shoes when I was younger but I stuck it out a year and a half ago simply quitting my job without knowing my next step sounded pretty radical So I stuck it out a bit longer until we were in the middle of a pandemic to make truly radical move. I twenty four, th was my last date. MSNBC. I don't know what I'm GONNA do next exactly but I simply couldn't stay there anymore my colleagues are very smart people with good intentions the problem is the job itself It forces skilled journalists to make bad decisions on a daily basis. You I I say this by the way I'm reading this as somebody who watches MSNBC, and despite all issues I still watch. And enjoy a lot of it. But, but it's this is something you all pretty much you know suspected and and but her wording and her insights are interesting. Where am my idea? Okay, you may not watch NBC but just know that this problem still affects you to all the commercial networks function the same and no doubt that content seeps into your social media feed one way or the other. It's possible that I'm more sensitive to the editorial process due to my background in public radio where no decision I ever witnessed was predicated on how a topic or guest would. Rate and that's in quotes the longer I was at. MSNBC. The more I saw such choices. It's practically baked into the editorial process and those decisions affect news content every day. Likewise, it's taboo to discuss how the ratings scheme distorts content or is simply taken for granted because everyone in the commercial broadcast news industry is doing the exact same thing. But behind closed doors industry leaders will admit the damage that's been done. Quote. We are a cancer and there is no cure, a successful and insightful TV veterans said to me. But if you could find a cure, it would change the world. As it is this cancer stokes national division even in the middle of a civil rights crisis, the model blocks diversity of thought and content because the networks have incentive to amplify fringe voices and events at the expense of others all because it pumps up the ratings. See this stuff we knew, but it's interesting hearing how she has. Into it here this cancer risk. I'm sorry this cancer risks human lives even in the middle of a pandemic the primary focus quickly became what Donald Trump was doing in prayer parenthetically poorly hat to address the crisis rather than the science itself think about that for a second that's important as new details have become available about antibodies vaccine or how covert actually spreads. Producer still want to focus on the politics important facts or studies get buried. This cancer risks star democracy even in the middle of a presidential election. Any discussion about the election usually focuses on donald trump not Joe Biden a repeat offense from two thousand, sixteen right trump's smothers out all other coverage also important is to ensure citizens can can vote by mail this year but I've watched that topic get ignored or killed numerous times. Now I gotTA I. GotTa Jump In there because I watch MSNBC all the time they talk about vote by mail all day long. Where maybe early on they didn't maybe she was about this now. Context and factual data are often considered too cumbersome for the audience. There may be some truth to that our education system really should improve critical thinking skills of Americans, but another hard truth is that it is the job of. To teach and inform, which means they might need to figure out a better way to do that. They could contemplate more creative methods for captivating an audience just about anything would improve the current process, which can be pretty rudimentary basic to think basing today's content on whatever rated well yesterday or look to see what's trending online today. Occasionally, the producers will choose to do a topic or story without regard for how they think it will rate but that is the exception not the rule due to the simple structure of the industry, the desire to try to charge more money for commercials, as well as the ratings bonuses that top tier decision makers earn they always relapse into their old profitable programming habits. I understand that the journalistic processes largely subjective in any group of individuals may justify a different set of priorities on any given day. Therefore, it's particularly notable to me for one the nearly every rundown at the network basically is the same hour after hour. I, think we've all noticed now ladies. And two, they use the subjective nature of the news to justify economically beneficial decisions. I've even heard producers denied their role as journalists very capable senior producer. Once said quote, our viewers don't really consider us the news they come to for. Comfort I. Yeah Again personally, I don't think the people need to change I think the job itself needs to change. There's a better way to do. I'm not so cynical to think that we are absolutely doomed though we are on that path. I know we can find a cure if we can figure out how does the demand to the moon? If Alex trebek's can defy the odds stage four pancreatic cancer and of Harry Reid can actually overcome pancreatic cancer. He has seized cancer cancer-free then we can fix this to. Not. Everything. Not, everything that has faced can be changed, but nothing can be changed until it is faced I. Know James Baldwin wasn't thinking about MSNBC when he wrote that line in nineteen sixty two. But those words words spoke loudly to me in the summer of twenty twenty unfortunately, many of the same ailments are still at stake today. Now, maybe we can we now maybe we can't really changed the inherently broken structure broadcast news, but I know for certain that it won't change unless we actually face it in public and at least try to change it. Though this pandemic and the surreal alienating law. I'm sorry through this pandemic and the surreal alienating lockdown. I've witnessed many people question their lives and what they're doing with their time on. Okay. On that, you know what do we get the gist I mean it goes on and on. So this is a producer from Lawrence O'Donnell's show who quit this was this was at the end and at the end she also says she's going to be starting a new life in Virginia. She's moving back to Virginia with her family to be with their family and she's going to be soon. This is an important landing. I'm going to be seeking you out any one of you who also may sense that the news is fundamentally flawed in is frustrated by it. This effort will start informally but I hope to crystallize a plan for when better safer days or upon us on that front reach out to my auntie she followed up today saying that Fox misrepresented this. Whole thing that she's saying and again reach out to her as soon as possible. Well, you know I I have mixed feelings about what she said look. She's a producer which means an honest show like O'Donnell's it does mean that you need to be on top of the news but. There are business and they're in the business of selling advertising and the the money the rates for the advertising are determined by the ratings the fact that she's saying. She works in commercial broadcasting and his pissed off because it's rating the dictate her job. What else is new? Why did she get into this business in the first place look I get it she should've stayed in public radio because they don't worry about ratings 'cause extensively they don't worry about ad sales though go listen to an NPR station or watch PBS and. Watch the underwriting announcements Yes, those are commercials. There's no other way to describe them, but they're not as beholden to the ratings. That's how it works. I don't understand why she's surprised or so outraged I get it I wish it weren't that way I'm I'm counting the days frankly and I don't know when he hits the air but I can't wait till. Shepard Smith starts at seven M eastern newscast on. CNBC because I'll watch that I don't watch joy Reid these days of TV's on I. Have It on CNN at seven PM. And All Watch Shepard Smith. Because he has promised does he is going to do A. A straight news show no pundits. No opinions just report the news. That's refreshing. Get the feeling from reading it. She had high expectations and that she thought maybe she could be the one to make a difference and that maybe she didn't expect it to be quite as bad as as we all know it is i. mean she sounds naive a little bit or maybe not maybe just hopeful. Yeah but It was just an interesting take and it is around and frankly I'm glad that I didn't hear you know there's a culture of sexism racism or you know I thought it was going to be something along those lines or slave drivers and you have a life and they expect it wasn't any of those things it was like they expect you to be guided by ratings. Well, what else is new? Exactly I I I'm not quite sure. She would have expected i. wish he had gone into that but that's something you could reach out and ask her to get her on the show. Okay. With my background I yes. Send me her information. I'll talk to her but I I honestly think she's way off base here. There's a million people waiting to take over her job. Sure. I'm not. Yeah I totally get. It it's all the idealism that we have and wished that news could be. Yeah. But she took the job and she's getting, she was getting paid and I'm sure she was getting paid fairly handsomely I mean I'm sure I'm sure they don't pay their producers a fourteen but I'm sure they make a decent living a good living. Yeah. Anyway onto tweets. Okay. Breaking Oh, we are okay. This Manhattan district, Attorney's ensure everyone heard this out the Manhattan district. Attorney's office suggested that it has been investigating trump and his company for possible bank and insurance fraud a significantly broader inquiry than the prosecutors have acknowledged in the past. Stance out so. Somebody You know there are no pardons involved here. This is. Something that that wouldn't know and they're talking about this. One of the the arguments that trump's lawyers put up for the third time trying to block this information which the Supreme Court already cleared the way to be given to them. was that it's wildly overbroad well, no, and the prosecutors are saying the subpoena was not too broad syndrome that notion is based on the false premise that the inquiry is limited to those hush money payments made by Michael Cohen. But the documents mentioned public reports of possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct at the trump organization. This goes way deeper than that. This goes back to that two thousand, Eighteen New York Times gigantic article. About how he used to pad his income and all those papers came from Mary Trump Yep yep that's right. So there's it's like so many things are overlapping now on hand he can't also the judge who would rule on trump's. Complaint about this to stop it is the same judge already gave them the okay. The first time you're going to have. Yeah, know. What they're doing is stalling and they're trying to run out the clock. So none of this stuff comes out before the election. To and it and it's up to, it's up to Sivan's. And the judges to move things along really quickly because they can pass as trying to Oh, I, know judge has to now. Okay. Here's something that cheered my day. A little billion sec is probing the circumstances around Eastman Kodak's announcement of a seven, hundred, sixty, five, million dollar government loan to make. Pharmaceutical products at his factories which they never did before. So then Kodak, they used to make film film with something that would go in something called a camera that was separate from your phone and put film in the camera. You would press a shudder you would advanced the film once the film cartridge was done, you would take it somewhere to get the film developed and they would give you these prints of photos. It's was unique thing. My Dad used to have a darkroom and I'd spend all my time in there with them and watch him for the chemicals in. Eastman Kodak had those chemicals, which is why trump thought. Oh Goals. Make drugs clerk when which by the way is part of the deal that they would. Of course, it is own my God. This is ridiculous is just I I WANNA, see an investigation into this bit of genius Oh it's going to it's going to happen. Everyone on TV who has been talking about this knows anything about this said, it ain't going away this this is going to be looked into. This is upsetting yeah. The Census Bureau is ending all counting efforts. On September thirtieth a month shorter than previously announced to bureau's director confirmed that includes critical door knocking efforts and collecting responses online or phone, and by mail at the last minute changes to the constitutionally mandated count. Every person living in the US threaten the accuracy of populism numbers used to determine the distribution of political representation and federal funding for the next decade. And they're saying now about forty percent of households have not yet been counted, they haven't been counted and. It says An now has less than two months to try to reach people of Color Immigrants, renters, rural residents, and. Members of historically undercounted groups not likely to fill out a census form on their own Democrats in Congress and many census advocates have become increasingly concerned that the White House is pressuring the bureau to stop counting soon, guess why in order to benefit Republicans Win House reported voting districts are drawn. Of course because they know that the writing is on the wall they know that. If the votes are counted fairly that Donald Trump is gonna get his ass kicked, and so they're trying to hold onto whatever advantages they can glommed onto before they're all booted out of office, right? Right which is what they want to do your. Daniel okay. So Jonathan's one interview with. says. I haven't watched all of it. I. Have It on Youtube I watch after the show but them declared the whole thing I saw the whole thing I watched it this morning with my jaw. Hanging out. Well. I. You know we could talk all day about the answers again they have I think one or two tweets about that. But this is a good observation by Daniel deal that of course is really obvious and you'll agree with the excellent Jonathan Swan interview is yet more evidence that even. Basic follow questioning it like asking wait hold on what are you even talking about immediately exposes lies and yet it has almost never happened. Right. So for instance, like I've got this one clip real quick I'm not gonNA play a lot. Here we go this this the testing. We have tested more people than any other country than all of your put together times to we have tested more people than anybody ever thought of India has one point, four, billion people. They've done eleven, million tests. We've done fifty five. It'll be close to sixty million. Jonathan your turn now you know there are those say you contest too much you do know. Who says that boosts? Manuals read the book, the manual demand read the books. What testing? Wait a minute. Let me let me explain what testing does cases. It shows where there may be. Other countries to, of course, he doesn't explain he goes on to not answer the question but. I'm always yelling back who says what books and he said the same things that I'm screaming at the TV so that was good. All right now. then. I've got one more and I've got the video one that I like I. Have the one that you like and I pulled the video of it. So you can see Donald Trump you're watching on periscope. You can see Donald Trump you know he likes props he likes charts because that's all knows you know things also like stacks of empty paper, right paper and colors and lines and. Things like that. So This is about well here we'll just let it play out for you because it speaks for itself. Some of these charts to we're GONNA to. Look. You're looking. Sound right start to go under. Well, right here United States is lowest in. Numerous categories. Will lower than the World Lo. The lower than. What can what takes a look for a lower than Europe in whites year I can't hear how. But I'll I'll tell you what's going on doing a proportion cases on talking about deficit proportion of population. That's where the US is. Really. Much worse than South Korea. Can't you can't do that. You can't do that. So so that was the part. Sorry I realize I'm playing this on the same audio pot that you come up through. That's why you couldn't hear it. So he's like he says death with death is as a Portion of the number of tests were doing and he's like well, no, you don't need to look at death. In relation to the population and trump's like, oh, you can't do that but that's how you do it you. Happen to get the part where he goes. We're last I. Okay. The court from. Okay. You know what? Let me hear it. Let me just play the audio forget the video this way. You'll be able to hear it here we okay. Or not. Doesn't WanNa play the quote that I want and if you can get it trump. They're talking about deaths and Troncoso. Meaning I were the best. Oh. Yes. Last meeting the first hold on wait a second I may be able to get it here. So we go. Yes no maybe. Dammit, hold on let me pull it over here and see if this does the trick. I went through a week with no technical problems. So there was bound to happen. All right. Let me try this way. No One one more show and you won't even see. Here we go and we're GONNA. Started Go. Here's one. Right, here United States is lowest in. Numerous categories. Will lower than the World Lo the lower than Europe what why look take a look? 'cause I don't know you look. Here's case death taste. Death. Is a cases on talking about death is a proportion of population that's where the US is really bad. Much worse than South Korea. You can't do that you. You have to go. Look, here is the united. States you have to go by the cases the case as a proportion waste somebody what it says when you have somebody that has with a K. small case, the people that little froze cases, it's showing a relevant statistic to say if the US has X. Population and X. percentage of death of that population versus. The cases. For example fifty, one, million, population three, hundred deaths. It's like crazy. You think they. Have a very good relationship, the country. Don't know that and they have spikes look. Awesome. Here's one right here United States. You tend to number of cases. Last. Year I. As. She says okay. We have. Interesting thousand Americans died I I understand. Cases it's different what you're not reporting correctly Jonathan. Take a look at this other short. Look this is our testing believe this is the testing. Yeah. Yeah, we do. Wait a minute. Well, don't to get credit for this. More test. You. Credit. We. Take a look. Okay. Yes. Donny you get extra credit you get a gold star. Don't we get credit for that. What the fuck the man is an imbecile. He's just a fucking imbecile Dick. Able. Okay. So here's A. Way. Did you play this part I because it ran by fast. The trump says when I took over we didn't even have test Swan Coz we test something didn't exist I got off at that point right I could've kept going I. mean the thing goes for like thirty minutes or something and it's One thing after another? Oh. My God, the man is a fucking certifiable moron. He's horrible. I mean just awfully we've after watching Chris Wallace. You think well, you know he'll never do another interview if he does he'll. He'll keep his mouth shut a little bit. No, this was like let's stomp all over myself. Let's just stupid as I possibly can be. Do you think you'll ever let swan interview him again God. No No. No but you know look if all goes well, demands only got three months well, and then to left in office. So. Wow. Yeah. All, right. So Here's an I told you so okay. This one is from the New York Times when when Kobe. Israel reopened schools Yup didn't go well, not within days infections were reported at Jerusalem Highschool, which quickly mushroomed into the largest outbreak in a single school in Israel possibly the world. Wow and we're opening our schools. What is okay did they not learn from opening bars? So they learn. They learn nothing because what Donald Trump does it saying Ninna Ninna I can't hear you in hydrog. Mournful in. It but it's not it's up to the governor's why? Yes. So they're going to sit well and it depends on the governor. So if you're like me, you've got an idiot like Ron, Death Stanton and we're speaking of whom yeah. Five people who this is from the hill is. Who attended meetings a meeting with the Santa's in? Test positive death sentence it's not to Santa. So death sentence. Yes. All right for those who don't know on who are listening. On fans famous of. Five people who attended a meeting with him in Florida test positive for the grown diarrhea. Yeah. I'm waiting because if if Karma Is Real. I in the next few days, we should see Ron death sentence. Donald Trump. Man Bill Bar all come down with the Rona because they've all been exposed to it by now. Yeah. You would think after what's his name? Yeah, you'd think after that a few people would be sick I mean poor poor Hall of Yup made me upset because I worked with him I did some Videos Forum and Nice? Man. Very nice back. Man and he was look he's like he's totally blaming. A Louie Gohmert Goober? He should, Yup, he's absolutely should and plus they wouldn't let him into that was at a hearing or a meeting. They wouldn't let them. Sorry. They wouldn't let him do it on video they incessantly come in person or they wouldn't let him attend. Wow, he went while well and I don't know if he's if he's showing any symptoms yet or not as I don't know about Golmard either I don't know he did an interview video interview there was an audio interview yet last night and he sounded like he was good and he's hoping he doesn't get anything. You know like he's feeling fine. Basically come on there's a God. Yeah well. Come on. Let's get real here. If Karma is the thing you've Karma is a thing. So John Russell who is I'll tell you in a momento he is. Oh, courthouse news reports for for courthouse news. He said Neil Young is suing the trump campaign sdn Y I. it says here Neil young quote in good conscience cannot allow his music to be used as a theme song for a divisive American campaign of ignorance and hate. The court papers who Wade who say that again, Neil Young? Yes. Yes in good conscience cannot allow his music to be used as a theme song. un-american campaign of ignorance and hey, good for him because here's the deal. If you purchase as a campaign, the license and it's all about music publishing, it's what got me bandon thrown off of Youtube Fuck you Universal Music Publishing Group it's all about publishing and and usage, and if they paid the licenses. To be able to play that music during their their rallies. Then there's really nothing Neil young can do about what he's doing is pushing money at it and making a just making a point legally he doesn't have a case, but morally, he should because he should be able to say I don't want that piece of Shit using my music to promote his evilness. If that makes sense it do it do and my last one or the day. My last tweety is from our PAL GOP, I he quotes a tweet from Michigan Campaign Finance Network that says scoop scoop. The leading effort to recall governor a governor. Gretchen Whitmer has withdrawn his ballot language to mid allegations. It's founder used committee money for personal use. Okay. So L. L. GOP says if the founder reveals he got Kobe Teen while not wearing a mask, this will be the most Republican thing that's ever happened. Love. We do and he and he does write. Regularly on the opinion page of USA. Today. Under his real name but it does say he's tweets under O. Gop. So. Because I'm forgetting his real name too so I almost had Sadler statler Jason Sadler. Sometimes all I need is that Little Push Well, the only reason I remembered it is because I grew up with a kid named Mark Sadler and so the name stuck but I never remember his first name. So let let me tell you Tomorrow on the program I have Ken Clapper Stein from the nation's good. He's good and he's been writing about You know trump's Gestapo's trump secret police that went into Portland and all this and I him actually asked on Friday if he could do to show on Wednesday because I do the music thing on Monday Tuesday. So I booked him for Wednesday. Well, yesterday he broke this big story about these same secret police keeping. You know doing Intel on. Yes. Best irs on leftist agitators on trying to link Antifa to foreign governments. How funny is that and one of the people caught up in their Intel is supposedly a liberal podcast. So this is big news story. So can clip and Clemson Stein clipping clippings dine will be on with me tomorrow and then on Friday just so you know I'm so excited about this the Midas, touch their three brothers who are making these great videos and they're going to join us to. China a spotlight on them because these are Democrats as opposed to like the Lincoln project to also does good work but know, Republicans, these guys their brothers they're awesome and they're adorable. So that'll be Friday. So we got a big show week of shows ahead of us and. Thanks good gotta go I'm late later. GotTa. Laugh and see you tomorrow by everyone. Thanks for listening.

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What The Science Says About How To Reopen Schools

On Point with Tom Ashbrook | Podcasts

47:03 min | 2 months ago

What The Science Says About How To Reopen Schools

"I'm anthony brooks. This is on point among the biggest challenges a year under the pandemic how and when to reopen schools safely today as many as one third of. Us students are getting no in person. Schooling that's hard on families and students who are falling behind especially black and brown kids from low income communities so at a cnn townhall last night. President joe biden double down on his commitment to reopen schools. As soon as possible. So when do you think that would be k. Through eight days a week. I think we'll be close to that. At the end of the first hundred days we'd have a significant percentage of them being able to be opened. now there's new guidance to do that safely from the but biden's promised to follow the sciences colliding with political reality teacher unions powerful democratic backers aren't necessarily ready to embrace a return to the classroom are union. Did a a pool of our teachers and three quarters did not feel comfortable or or wanted to go back and then the district promptly ignored three quarters of the teachers and since back to in person learning. That's chris carreira. He's a life skills teacher at the palm avenue. Exceptional student center in jacksonville florida. He's been back in his school building since august. But that's only heightened his concerns. The cdc says schools can open if if precautions are place. I feel like in jacksonville. Florida where schools have been open for seven months. Now we're we're barely doing any precautions. We don't have a mask policy. We have a massive justin. Because there's no consequence if you don't wear the mask They promised us deep cleanings one day a week. That's gone the way of the dodo. We haven't done that probably since the second month of school. Jerry is concerned about the lack of regular testing the backlog in contact tracing and the fifteen cases of covid in his school and the fact that he was among those who got sick. I got kobe The week before. Christmas break and I think i got it at school. 'cause i was in a in a staff meeting at first staff meetings were in the cafeteria. Morales spread out. But then this staff many were like. Hey let's meet in the conference room within a week to the people in the conference are meaning one of my colleagues out with cova says that while the new cdc guidelines are important without enforcement teachers like him. Don't feel safe. I mean it's like the they did some stuff to be cosmetic stuff to say. Hey parents were doing stuff. But the reality is i don't feel safe and many of my colleagues. Don't feel taken our schools either. It's just reckless. And so imperium where we find ourselves. That's chris gary. A life skills teacher at the palm avenue. Exceptional student center in jacksonville. Florida today on point the pressure to reopen schools. And the pushback against it as well as the new cdc guidelines and what the science says about how to return to the classroom safely to kick us off this hour. We're joined by matt barnum. He's national reporter covering education policy and research for chuck. Beat matt barnum. Welcome to on point. It's great to have you. Thank you so much for having me anthony. So let's set this up for us i. I mentioned that a third of students aren't doing in person schooling of any kind. How would you set up where we are today in terms of This issue of who's in school not in school and what we're trying to accomplish. Yeah so it actually probably more than a third who are learning fully berkeley or remotely. the late. The latest estimates suggest that about a third of schools are only offering virtual or remote instruction. But we know that in many districts that are offering in person instruction than some families are opting still for Virtual instruction even if they have the option for in i so i would peg the number this really against him and peg. The number of of students who are learning fully virtually at more like forty forty percents And then we also know that about forty percent of schools are offering full in person and another twenty. Five percent are offering a hybrid Option where students can learn both in person and virtually but usually in person a couple of days a week but again we know even within those full or hybrid school districts. many families. some families are still are still opting for fully virtual instruction right so big challenge is still out there. Talk a little bit about president Biden's call When he was running he was talking about this ambitious goal to open most schools within the first hundred days Then his spokesperson sort of seemed to walk that back He characterized that as a as a miscommunication in messaging. Last night. At that cnn townhall. He seemed to double down on that. First one hundred days. What's the biden administration actually saying about this. Well it's been a little hard to keep track but The in their message has been frankly a little muddy would they have said is that they want to open a majority of elementary middle schools k through eight schools within one hundred days and then they were asked what does open being and their spokesperson. The white house press secretary sub just one to at least one day week and then yesterday president buying up your back and indicate that it was open for five days. A week Now you know one of the issues we have is. we just. Don't have the data that that we would want but you know right now. The best estimate we have is that forty percent of schools are open full five days a week in person instruction in probably the share of eight schools in close to is is a bit higher than that and so close to fifty percent so i think an important question for the biden administration is. Is this an ambitious goal. If you know even under the five day a week definition were already very close to hitting that call. Now i wanna talk to you about the new. Cdc guidelines that were rolled out this week. about how to reopen schools safely. Can you walk us through a little bit about what these guidelines say. Yeah so it had a few important weights So one there be very clear that they believed that the cdc believes that in person schooling is very important at preferable ultra remote instruction which i think is widely agreed upon in this debate Cdc is also saying that in persons going must be done with mitigation most importantly universal masking and social distancing six feet social physical distancing between students and students students staff They say that school sash including teachers should receive back scenes prioritization and vaccine. But but that school district shouldn't wait or swoosh wait to reopen until staff is fully vaccinated They also say. I think this is the part that is the most as caused the most tension and and also a bit of confusion that schools should consider Community rates with community spread And so they've based that under their benchmarks about ninety percent of the country has very high community spread on that school should consider that in the real thing. now that doesn't mean that schools That schools shouldn't reopen when his high actually very clear that elementary school should reopen on a hybrid acis when spread is high. But they do say that mitigation must be extremely strictly followed including six feet social distancing and that there should be reduced reduced attendance And they also say that schools should consider widespread testing to make sure that they're seeing co bid cases before they end up at school buildings mad. I wanna play a piece of tape on sunday. Director of the. Cdc doctor rochelle. Alinsky spoke to cnn's Jake tapper about the new cdc guidelines and she suggested suggested that while the steps for reopening are clearly employer clear and now they're in place. many schools can't or are not following them. Here's a bit of what she said. We need to make sure that all of those steps are happening. And it's masking it's distancing it's putting an and cohort dron it. Is you know cleaning surfaces. it's handwashing and it's contact tracing and diagnostic testing in an efficient manner. In collaboration with department of public health. Not all schools are able to do all of those things right now and many of those schools are in red zone so we need to do the work to get all of those mitigation strategies up and running and all of these schools. So i to just sort of stick with this point just just for a minute because it sounds like what she's saying. We need to get all of that stuff done for all of these schools. And what does that actually mean because Some folks are writing that you know what it means. that about. Ninety percent of schools aren't really ready to open. Because they're not doing all that mitigation stuff there in red zones or all of the above. Yeah i don't know that that's right. Here is it as ninety percent are not able to open. We know. Ninety percent of the country is in a red zone. But that doesn't mean they can't open eye doctor. Alinsky is saying is that they must be. If they're going to open in the cdc should be should open in the red zone. They must do so with very strict. Mitigation I don't think we have a great sense of which school how what share of open. Schools are strictly following. The cdc mitigation guidelines on there was one survey released by the cdc that showed sixty percent of students said that all of their classmates were consistently wearing masks in classrooms. And so that's sort of glass half full by empty that there is you know. Most students are saying asking is wide spreading consistently used. But some are saying that. It's not and you know. I think that was one of the points The cdc was making. I gotcha. I wanted to ask you about the tricky dance for president biden. Here i mean he. He wants to bring the union's along with his plan. Obviously but at the same time a lot of teacher unions the local unions especially are pushing back. And we're going to hear a lot of voices Throughout this hour of teachers who have real concerns about feeling safe and whether their school is ready to go back. So this seems like a delicate balance For president joe biden with the unions where democratic supporters right. I mean you know. I think president biden's certainly has relied on the support of the national teacher to f. t. and any a and i also think personally he you know wants to support public schoolteachers by any a member You know it is worth noting that one of the one of the positions that some local unions taken is that they want they want. They don't want schools to reopen until teachers have been fully vaccinated and that is not what the what the biden administration. Cbc hasan the biden administration. Cdc is clearly saying that schools shouldn't necessarily wait until teachers and school staff bax needed to reopen though they are saying that teachers and schools schools should have priority vaccination nation. Well it's a really interesting moment a politically and of course it affects families teachers kids in a very real way. Barnum stick with us coming up. We're gonna be talking to randi weingarten. She's the president of the american federation of teachers. The nation's second largest teacher union. So it'll be interesting to hear from her. She's a big proponent of moving forward and getting schools open. we'll talk to her about Concerns about some some teachers who are actually in the classroom. Now we're talking about the debate around schools reopening. How teachers are feeling and what the science has to say about how to do it safely. Stick with us. I'm anthony brooks. This is on point. This is on point. I'm anthony brooks. We're talking today about the pressure to reopen schools pushback against it and what the science says about how we can return to school safely. We're joined by matt barnum. He's national reporter covering education policy and research for chuck. Beat we're going to hear from any weingarten in a moment president of the american federation of teachers but before that let's hear from another teacher we spoke with clinton washington music at sad laos ski elementary school in chicago where the city and its teachers. Unions have recently agreed to resume in person teacher. So i went back thursday I back in the building. Which in my pay was still silly. Because all my steel virtual. I don't have any students in the building. Washington says that's probably a good thing because there's a music teacher she's more comfortable teaching students remotely everybody's in their own space. They can in practice with me. I'm playing my end. They can hear me but they can still play individually and so personally. I prefer the virtual space for that in this moment because of covert. Because i don't feel comfortable with the idea asking the student to unmask themselves to play an instrument in person. You know there's a virus going on in his airborne and they're very and and so. Am i going to take that chance with my life. I'm not going to take that chance with their lives. And beyond fears of teaching in person. Washington says teachers aren't getting the support they need. People are talking about the necessity of getting our economy going and how teachers play such a pivotal role index. We'll put your money where your mouth is. That's the nature teachers so that people can feel safe kobe's has been traumatic for everyone in for black and brown communities in particular dead of been disproportionately affected by this. It makes it even more daunting. And you're asking me to go back into that space. You're not testing people nor have you back sonate. The people that are in the building. That's not fair. That's quinton washington a music teacher at sad laos elements school in chicago Sedloski says teachers feel an undue burden but also that teachers are resilient and we'll figure out how to make this work joining us now is randi weingarten president of the american federation of teachers. The nation's second largest teacher's union and randi weingarten welcomed on point. Thanks for joining us today. Of course thank you for having me. And i'm glad to have been able to listen to two of my amazing members You know talking to you about both their fears aspirations. You're right teachers of always figured out how to make things work. It's just much harder. In the middle of a pandemic that you wear you have a respiratory ailment and you know huge disinvestment that that that we're confronting. Yeah it's it's a good point. I'm glad you started there. Because that's exactly where i'd like to start with you. You know. I know you've been working hard to figure out how to get kids across the nation back into classrooms safely A number of cities however suburbs where schools are still closed. A teacher unions have have been powerful forces. Saying we're not ready to come back and even some as we've just heard who are back on concerns about being back. What's your message to them. So let me give me about a thirty seconds to Answer this which is you. Have even more time than that thank you. I really appreciate that. We've got so thank you. So since last april union since last april Put out guidance about not weather but how to return to in school learning knowing full well as we have since pre covid that remote education is not an adequate substitute for school. And so we tried since the not have guidance at that point you know. We talked to experts like dr redline. We've talked to epidemiologists we've talked to johns hopkins. We we tried to pull together. Lots of experts and we put that guidance l. About two months later. Cdc out. They didn't do it in a in any kind of communication fashion and immediately. Donald trump pooh-poohed and so that started the fear and then over the course of the last several months. We've been asking for essentially what joe biden has now said unique the guidance about what is safe. You need the resources to make that happen. And you need a commitment on the ground that everybody's going to do it and so that's what's starting to happen in different places. The guidance as as matt just said is pretty obvious which is unique. These layered mitigation strategies of masking physical distancing cleaning ventilation and then accommodations for those who are at risk the testing just like the nfl tests just like industry tests so that you see what is unseen in a symptomatic disease and the vaccines now that we have it that if schools are a priority to reopen in person which i believe they are and soda my members eighty eight percent of them in a recent poll said that they would be comfortable being in school. If we had these safety protocols so if it's really important to do the teachers need to have a priority for the vaccines so there's a roadmap now And and and the what we need to do. Because i just wanna call. I'm gonna let you finish. But i really wanna clarify this point about Vaccinations because what you just said. I just posed a question in my mind. You're not saying that all teachers need to be vaccinated before they can go back to the classroom. Right because the guidances isn't saying that i i am not saying that i am saying just want to be clear. I am not saying. And just like they were not a precondition An look i'm a social studies teacher and a lawyer and so i don't even play a scientist on tv. I have to listen to the experts because that's not my expertise but just like as i understand it. What these layered mitigation strategies do is that. That's what stops transmission. What testing does is that. You see transmission in because forty percent of transmission is done a symptomatically unfortunately with covid what vaccines do layer of protection right. Now that if you've got forbid get coded like the first teacher you talk to you not gonna get really sick. And so just like in healthcare it was not prerequisite for doctors epidemiologists and nurses and by the way we represent about two hundred and fifty thousand nurses in the united states of america. So just like it wasn't prerequisite there. It was important to vaccinate those who wanted it in healthcare because of the essential nature of the work. That's the same in terms of teachers and frankly the public is there. Even though and the biden administration is there. But you know we got. We got a governor's like in in florida who won't vaccinate essential workers. They put essential workers basically in the bottom or in the middle of the prioritization. And yet you have places like washington dc where. The mayor understood that to reopen schools. More fully. she needed to make that promise to The school teachers. They are and the educators and they are now that this week all educators at wanted are getting their second vaccination. My point is that there is a roadmap. Now there's a there's a commitment to the the resources by the biden administration if we can get through congress and what we now have to do is we have to meet fear with facts and we're doing that when it comes to vaccine hesitancy. Everybody understands that would vaccine hesitancy. We have to be fear with facts and we have to do the same in terms of reopening schools. And that's why you're starting to see. New york city has reopened in a face to play so much buzz. True boston has from where where. I'm speaking to you right now. But randi weingarten just want to jump in with with a concern and just ask you about a concern about some of these guidelines from the cdc I'm still trying to understand them absolutely clearly. And maybe you can help me do that. But i'm saying i'm reading that. There is concern that in some areas where community spread is high and where all those mitigation strategies whether it's masking other kinds of protections and other kinds of mitigation strategies aren't adhered to that the cdc recommends closing middle and high schools. So i'm asking. To what extent should people be concerned that might not sound like a formula for reopening schools. Anytime soon well but the first thing that everyone said last year when this crisis started was that we needed to get community spread under control right. Schools are not islands. And it's interesting particularly like take you know schools in boston. Schools in new york city many educators. Get to school not from a car from their home to a car An an into into the school. They'll take a subway fill. You know they'll they'll be with other people. Community spread is significant in different places. And what ends up happening is. Schools are not islands seen even in new york city. That transmission in schools were higher when you had higher community spread and part of the reason that the schools in great britain and germany or closed now is because of the variant having huge transmissibility in terms of communities. Having said that what's happened. Is that what. We're what what the cd said was that. The you can actually reopen elementary schools of a virtually everywhere in the country even with high community spread because there's evidence that elementary school kids actually follow the rules of physical distancing and of sorry for the ambulance a physical distancing and of masking whereas high school students are very much like you know adults in terms of Being not following the rules that much and that's been the real difference in terms of high schools versus elementary school right. Okay i got that matt randy as you know. Matt barnum is with us and i wanted to invite him back into this conversation matt. Do you have a question or two for randi weingarten. I do randy. I want to ask you about. Some of your locals are pushing for vaccinating as a prerequisite to reopening school buildings. And i wanna understand your position on this super clearly. It sounds like you're saying you do not agree with that position. Can you just clarify and tell me if that's accurate. What are you saying to those locals in those local leaders in those local teachers. Well look i am. The the are are locals are not monolithic. We have thirty five hundred of them. And so for example in san francisco there is now an agreement that says you know in schools that were in purple. So let me let me answer it in a way. That is probably not satisfactory to you. Which is that when you look at the science. And you look at the cdc recommendations and guidance and you know that we should that. Educators should be prioritized but it is not a prerequisite Just like mandatory. Vaccinations are not required. It's not a prerequisite to have vaccinations before when open. Schools is it a priority. Should it happen. The answer is it should be a priority and it should happen but it's not mandatory and that's the position that our national union has taken in a place like san francisco or in la where you've been not just in red zone. Take for example. You've been not just in a red zone you've been a purple zone for months and months and months there so much cova in the community that baby where the exception happens. And that's why. I think the school superintendent and our local president has said that we need to have the vaccinations for everyone because there has been so much covert in the community. And frankly that's where the public is. There's just a new political poll that says by about fifty five percent thirty four percent the public that teachers would be fully vaccinated. So that's you know there's a difference between attitudes and beliefs versus what the scientists said and as a union. We have been very much a truth. Teller about the signs. I'm anthony brooks. This is on point. Randi weingarten a really basic question about the cdc guidelines. Do you have confidence that these new guidelines will incur will help schools more schools. Open up more quickly. Yes anthony. But i also have but but what you're also saying here. Is that places like a teacher from jacksonville. A teacher from teachers from texas teachers from arizona. What's happened is that there. This has this. This virus has been politicized and there are lots of places that have not made the safety protocols a priority like in florida. Even though i do think jacksonville there there is a pretty good set of protocols. Had just has to be enforced. But that's where you're starting to see a frankly a pushback from republican governors. That haven't wanted to spend the resources or actually enforce with fidelity this kind of This kind of safety of the education community being politicize. I wanted to ask you a little bit more about that. Because biden has already been criticized for caving in to the concerns of the unions on his but respond to this. Because it's out there. It's part of politics. Congressman steve scalise for example said president biden pledged to reopen schools schools in one hundred days and follow the science but instead he's broken that promise and followed the radical unions lead. You know It's pretty reckless for a political party. That refused to listen to its teachers. And there's twenty or thirty percent of teachers who are republican but when we cried out for asking for guidance asking for data asking for the resources from last april onwards. Where was steve scalise. Where's was betsy devos and sorry. I'm so mad about this. They just said no they refuse to do it. And now you've got a president who saying yeah of course it's important to reopen school safely of course in person learning is really important for kids but we have to do it safely and we have to have the resources this is what we asked trump administration to do since last april they refused and now you have republicans who basically were stone cold silent when trump refused to do this now trying to exploit a crisis that they made incalculably worse so the politics here don't play politics with people's lives. We know our responsibility to kids and we want to be in schools but everybody has a right to be safe. And i don't get why republican politicians don't think workers have a right to be safe as we do the work we have to do. All right well randi weingarten. She's president of the american federation of teachers randy. It was great having you on the program. Thank you for answering our questions and for coming on on point. Thank you matt. Barnum national reporter covering education For chuck beat stay with us listeners. Were talking about how teachers are feeling about the push to reopen schools in what science says about what we need to do. Stick with us. There's more ahead. I'm anthony brooks mrs on point. This is on point. I'm anthony brooks. Were talking today about the pressure to reopen schools. The pushback against it and what the science says about how we can do it safely matt barnum national reporter covering education policy and research at chalk. Beat is with us and matt. What did you hear and that talk with Randy go randi weingarten. Yeah well. I think her position on whether teachers need to be back stated before schools reopen. It's a little complicated. I mean she said initially that she didn't think that they needed to in that. That was right in line with the cdc guidance but then she also indicated that she might support some of her local unions including those in los angeles who are pushing for vaccinations before they return. If community rates are are high. If i got a follow up i would ask or you know how high and how is team making that determination for when teachers museum book before schools reopened. Because right. now the saying that that doesn't happen doesn't need to happen but it doesn't sound like a at least a lot of members on the ground members of the union. A lot of teachers on the ground would feel comfortable with that right. Is that what you're understanding. Yeah i mean. I think that's a complicated question. I don't wanna generalize. And i think it is also important to point out that the is saying that teachers and school staff should have priority in vaccination. But that school shouldn't wait to reopen for those nations to occur the other thing that jumped out from randy's Comments is that the unions wanted to use this this guidance understandably to push for stronger safety measures in places where they don't think the measures are being strictly followed right. Well matt barnum stick with us. And i want to hear from one more teacher before we move. On christine crap is a third grade teacher in the san diego unified school district. And she's been teaching virtually since the pandemic start my perspective on this is i hate for teaching. I despise it it. You grabbed many of the parts. That i enjoy teaching. That said i feel very caught between a rock and on her place because i. I don't wanna compromise my own safety. I don't wanna compromise. The safety of my own personal children were of the children in my class or my coworkers. So it just feels almost impossible. Crat says she's concerned most of all by what she calls. A lack of commitment to the mitigation measures. So even you know six feet of distancing as what you need to maintain for safety by if you're astrum doesn't allow for. I then make it less while. So what is it. Do we need distancing or is or. It doesn't matter because we just need to get the right amount of children and the new cdc guidelines out this week Seek to answer some of those questions. Kroft says among the challenges facing teachers months of confusion around how to return to school safely we went through many many many many months of this pandemic with confusing information of leadership from the national all the way down to the state level and that's eroded not only educators trespass making many people stressed. So you know. It is a bit of catch-up game now trying to get that trust back. Christine crack is a third grade. Teacher in the san diego unified school district With me is matt barnum national reporter covering education policy and research for chalk. Beat and i wanna introduce benjamin linus. He's an infectious disease physician and associate professor of theology at boston university school of medicine. He's also apparent and he joins us now. Dr linus welcomed on point. It's good to have you. It's great to be here thank you. I wanna to ask you about a piece. you wrote. Which was terrific For vox and it's headline this way. I'm an epidemiologist father. Here's why i'm losing patients with our teachers unions. Now you go on to to express a lot of understanding about teachers concerns but but talk about this frustration this impatience. You have with this view so absolutely thank you for having me today in the the clips from teachers and also garden. Were incredibly powerful to me and caused me to step back and recognize that really many of us in this debate our allies in an almost everything we think about and that we're coming to these data. I think was slightly different interpretations. But i find the teacher. The teacher stories truly compelling. It's making clear to me that this is a question around communications and talking to find the path forward so i can review the data. Now that have come out recently in that are giving many of us in the public health community a lot more confidence that it can be safe to operate our schools even in a situation where there is coca transmission in the community. The first is a paper that came out in the end of january. And i'm wr from the cdc. That was looking at schools in wisconsin. This was looking at seventeen schools. It's about over forty eight hundred students and six hundred and fifty four staff. The schools opened they had basic mitigation measures in place and the paper does a pretty good job of telling us what those were. Students received three to five cloth masks and they had both statewide and district mandates from mask wearing they were forced they were mandates where mass indoor is an outside. If less than six feet apart they tried to cohort their students into cohorts of eleven or twelve. T staff staffer masking at all times and six feet from and they were told to maintain six foot distancing from all persons if possible is how it was quoted and siblings were asked teen of kids. Were sick at home and one kid was sick. The siblings also asked us to quarantine but notably they did not have universal asymptomatic testing that they have access in this paper was being done and what they found. Was that these. This was a district. That was not a very well. These schools are not very wealthy. The median income was only fifty five thousand dollars and ten percent of the kids were living in poverty or so this was not a wealthy district that was able to put these places these measures in place and what they found was that there were one hundred. Ninety one cases of coke in school buildings but only seven of those were found to be from in-school transmission and all those cases were among students. None of those cases where amongst teachers and so one thing that i think is really important. That shows right away as that. The difference between counting the number of cases that we see in a school building and counting the cases that accident transmitted in the school building are two different things and it can be very thorny to try to t on those things apart and so just looking at cases over time it can be distracting or or interest by ashur misunderstanding of the data. Because the real question that we have is copa transmitting in the school building. That's the rescue. That's the fear that we all have. We know there can be covered. Transmission that community but we're focused on schools right now and we learned that that cova transmission. Is it fair to say that. In general we've learned that cova transmission within school. Buildings were mitigation efforts are ineffective are. It's pretty low right absolutely. That's the point i'm trying to make. And there's another study from north carolina very similar much larger. It's from fifty school districts. Over seventy seven thousand students found very similar that although there was a community rate of one hundred to two hundred one hundred thousand population throughout the entire study in the community The the rate in schools was very low. And actually right. They found thirty two cases in schools. Straight not study but if the school transmission have been similar to the community that they would have expected to eat two nine hundred cases within schools and instead they found thirty two. And i think the north carolina's study i wanted to talk. There is really interesting. I've come back to it and feel like one thing that's been under appreciated about that study was that it was not just trying to document couvert in schools studying actually was intervention. And there's really interesting from the study. That frankly i think many of us read past the first big question which was is there covered in school. But now that's becoming more answer to looking back at this data there's a nice segment. There's to work in the schools and a big piece of it was that there was an intervention around and peer to peer communications communications from public health experts superintendents and then weekly communication from superintendents to principals and teachers. Teachers were sharing information and peer groups. And it dawned on me that these might be some at the recipe for what we really need now. Because when i look at these data scientists and as an epidemiologist. I feel comfortable that it's possible to open school buildings. Keep our teachers save. Keep our kids safe. The simple inexpensive things like masking but what we really need to communicate that the teachers so they feel comfortable right. Benjamin i want to go to matt barnum and just get him re his response to some of the stuff that you're talking about matt. Do you think that this kind of data. These kinds of studies are being sufficiently appreciated by. I know it's hard to generalize about all of the schools across america. But what do you think about benjamin's points here. Yeah i mean. I think his characterization of the sciences is fair. I think i would put a couple of caveats on them. Because it is hard to generalize for instance in the wisconsin study that was looking at at seventeen schools Some of those schools were not open for full five day week in person instruction the largest school district in that study was only offering hybrid instruction at the middle and high school level according to the school superintendent when i interviewed him. And so that sort of caveat sort of nuance has sometimes actually gotten lost I think there are also caveats about whether contact tracing can definitively connect cases to schools whether contact tracers especially when community spread is high because it can be difficult to definitively contact race. That said i agree with the characterization that we're seeing evidence that spread within schools happens but it's relatively infrequent Benjamin as you know we've been talking this hour about among other things the new cdc guidelines for how to open school safely are they on the right track and your view. So i think they're on the right track. I would notice an agree that this is an attempt to science based document and it feels like a breath of fresh air and categorically new experience compatible. We've had in the previous administration and so in that sense. It's clearly going in the right direction. And i would say that around september. This was the guidance we were begging for. I think it would have been ideal at that time. But there's one anyway mentioned what she said but from the very beginning everyone has said community control and i thought it was a really good example of the type data of of the approach to data. It's becoming a bottleneck or for us. Because i absolutely agree from the beginning we said that and no one is saying we should ignore community control at this at this point but we've also learned that it is possible even when there is covert in the community to stop mitigate mitigate transmission at the door to your school buildings. And that's something we've learned from data and the messing has changed over time. I know that's difficult. There's been bumbled message but that bumbled messaging is not the same thing as messaging changing as the data changes. This is a new virus and we are learning things and things that were appropriate in september. We're now learning. More information can be changed a little bit. And i think that's part of the problem. We're having data's still coming. We're still learning as we go interesting still learning as we go. I'm anthony brooks. This is on point benjamin You're an interesting person to be talking to at this moment because you're not only a frontline healthcare provider here in the boston area europe parent. You're also talking to me from a part of the country where the number of infections have been very high. You're also a volunteer adviser to the schools in brooklyn right next to boston. So tell us a little bit about your experience. What happened in your kids. Schools in terms of the number of cases at a time when cases were surging in this area. I mean to tell me a little bit about your own story in your own concerned about your own kids so absolutely i think you know. I don't think the proclaimed stories generalize mold. Every town in america brooklyn is an affluent suburb of boston. And we do have some privilege and resources here but i think that the perspective i bring as a parent i hope. Give some credibility to the things. I'm saying today. Because the skin that i have in this game is that my children are in the school buildings and so i'm absolutely aligned with the interests of all the parties involved here with the unions and the teachers to be safe and for my kids to be safe and what happened in brooklyn is that we started slowly. I actually an advisor to our district over the summer. I was sort of covid conservative and quite concerned i generally was the voice for for more mitigation for more strict policies and data started to emerge. I gradually started to come around to the position ryan. Now and what's been frustrating is that i have advisory panel. We're trying to work through these with these data and very often. It feels like the the public messaging is mumble. And that the data that the unions choose into focus. The interpretation on which the into focus often doesn't really reflect the consensus of the public health community. And you know. I think this this this sort of the psychology. Between what does science say what does not say is a tricky one right. The scientists there but scientists not black and white. it's gray and the communication and the politics really made everything very difficult. And i think we're probably heading back into time now where i hope with a new. Cdc guidance we can find the roadmap to getting our buildings open full-time but i also think that there's enough vagary in the cdc guidance at enough language that supports current positions. That we'll have to see how the political discussion. Because i'm not convinced. The cdc guidance necessarily her schools have been faster. That's interesting. I want to read a couple of comments from our listeners on facebook Luna to tanya rights our schools have been opened since august with minimal issues. Very few kids have been quarantined. And only one of my kids Middle school teacher has been kovac positive and quarantine. The kids are expected to wear masks but most do not. I am thankful every day. Our superintendent keeps our schools open Here's one more. From amanda nichols schools have been open since september remote instruction is instruction when you use terminology like reopening people think teachers have been relaxing for months. There is nothing further from the truth. Many teachers have never worked harder in their entire lives. matt barnum. I wanna ask you a question with regard to something that benjamin was talking about and that is what parents want. what do we know about. I mean again i know. It's difficult to generalize but in general what's your sense. What is the polling. tell us what are the surveys. Tell us about parents feeling about reopening schools soon as possible so this is one where it is really important. Not to generalize in the the first point is parents have different opinions You know many parents want their kids in person. Five days a week many kids want their many parents want their kids in person a couple of days a week in many parents want their kids fully virtual some of the most recent polling. I've looked at show that about forty five percent of parents want their kids fully virtual war. And i think that's a really important point because the reluctance to have school. Buildings reopen is not limited to teachers. They're in school staff. There are a lot of parents for a number of reasons that do not want their kids to go back in two buildings because of concerns about safety and to the extent that schools and districts and public health officials want that to happen. They need to make the case to parents and families and particularly parents of color who are on average reluctance to return to buildings. They need to make the case. The science base case. That tools are safe to return and that schools are following the recommended mitigation. Well we're gonna have to leave it there because we're out of time that barnum national reporter covering education policy and research for chalk beat matt. Thanks so much for joining us today. I really appreciate hearing from you. Thanks for having me and benjamin linus. He's an infectious disease physician and associate professor of epidemiology at boston university. School of medicine. Dr linus thank you for your time. I'm really grateful. Thank you listeners. You can continue this conversation. You can get the on point podcast at our website on point radio dot org you can also follow us on twitter. Find us on facebook at on point radio. Thanks for listening. I'm anthony brooks. This is on point

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Teachers, Parents To Protest School Reopenings Without Adequate Funding

NPR's Story of the Day

05:57 min | 9 months ago

Teachers, Parents To Protest School Reopenings Without Adequate Funding

"Unhappy August because this month means it's back to school in many school districts across the country but there is so much anxiety out there among parents, teachers and students about what that's GonNa look like anxiety only made worse by the news we got recently out of Indiana was student got a positive cove nineteen test result just hours after school reopened its doors and today more than twenty five states. Teacher Unions are going with parents are joining with parent groups to demonstrate against opening schools without adequate funding NPR education correspondent on your comments is with us this morning to talk about all the things high on Ya. Richaud. So let's start with the situation in Indiana. This was at a school in the city of Greenfield what is important to take away from that situation? Well we don't want to over generalize Rachel Rate It's one case it's not data, and actually that is a problem in itself because we do not have a national database right now tracking these kinds of cases in schools. But you know the the story in Greenfield does illustrate the logistical issues that might come into play at even after school has already opened up. So, parents must be wondering what if this at my kids school though, right I mean what if school reopens and then someone does test positive So, districts have started to release details on what is supposed to happen, and first of all, I should say these plans rely entirely on testing actually being available with reasonable turnaround time within a few days and a robust local public health department that can do contact tracing, and if you have those two things, the basic principle is if you find one case, you can possibly just and quarantine the folks who came into close contact with that one person that seems to be what happened in Indiana ideally, the schools practicing distancing and breaking kids into small. It could just be a few people that have to quarantine or maybe just one classroom pod on the other hand. If you find more than one ks across different cohorts or if cases tend to be rising in the broader community, then you might be shutting the whole school down and so families are wrapping their head around the idea. Oh my gosh it's not just that I only have school on Mondays. Fridays it is also that on any given day I have to brace for school being closed by the health department. And that is one of the reasons why out of the largest twenty, five districts in the countries right now almost three quarters are going to start remote only. Meanwhile I mean we have if you look across the ocean and you look at Europe I. Mean. There are schools there that have that have reopened safely for the most part and why are we not able to point to them and say Hey Europe made it happen? Why can't we? Yeah. I mean there's a variety of experiences in Europe in Asia a little bit of a mixed bag in Israel. I. Think the problem is Rachel it's almost not useful to get into the details of what they did because what public health experts are saying is that you just can't open school safely unless a pandemic is well under control and the local area and that's just a couple of places in the US. Right now you know no facemask not. Is, really going to work one hundred percent against a rising caseload or a high positive rate on tests on your what is the science say the most up-to-date science on how chiltern or affected by the virus? So. There's still a lot that we wish that we knew. There have been a few new papers and case studies out in the past few days do underline that children and teens at times. They can get this virus and they can potentially spread it pretty efficiently. As time, the overarching evidence has still been children and even teens don't get sick as often or severely with coronavirus as adults but you know that's cold comfort to the adults who are heading into school buildings to work closely with lots of children in a few weeks right. So what about those adults? What are they? What the teacher's saying at this point? So. He spoke to Randi Weingarten she's the president of the American, Federation of Teachers, and she recently said publicly that her union has authorized local safety strikes across the country if teachers are forced to come back to work under unsafe conditions and the AF T has set those conditions, its own updated school reopen guidelines and the definition of what they consider safe and they include everything that epidemiologists say are most important to stop this virus adequate ventilation masks for everyone the ability to properly distance lists least six feet at all times making sure there's handwashing supplies, which is a basic that not all schools have. But Ryan Weingarten told me that there are three big problems with this plan. I had hoped that only biggest problem would be the lack of federal money because then if we could get a package from McConnell that would solve a lot of problems. One is the virus search and the second is credibility. So Money? Yes. But also the virus heard and then credibility she means you know Republican leaders who have pushed reopening the schools come. What may it send a signal that safety didn't matter? Leaders honestly parents as well in the interviews I've been doing Rachel and in polls, they really echo this lack of trust in the leadership at all levels school level district city. They just don't trust that the public schools are going to be able to do everything. It takes to reopen safely in many places, NPR education correspondent on your comments. Thank you. Thanks Rachel. Want more of the news you need and stories you love from NPR download the NPR one APP on your smartphone. You'll hear nonstop feed of stories and podcasts curated and personalized for you get NPR one from your phone's APP store and start listening now.

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Bethany Mandel

The Michael Berry Show

18:08 min | Last month

Bethany Mandel

"You've probably noticed a theme of many of our guests over the last few weeks and frankly over the last year but now that more and more data and more and more anecdotes piling up you know if you have enough random isolated anecdotes it starts to create a pattern that looks even more scientific in. The data is bearing that out now. More and more. We're seeing the lockdowns. Not only aren't working. Aren't necessary compared new york to florida but they're causing damage in ways that people didn't didn't foresee and that are unwilling to confront for instance the damage to kids of told you what my my kids teachers have told us. My seventh and ninth grader. And we're hearing more and more stories. Were hearing more more doctors. Talking about Alcohol abuse drug abuse suicides sorts. It's very very disturbing and in that vein We talked to a wonderful writer and editor at ricochet. Who also happens to be a mommy and can speak from that perspective with four kids of her own. The piece is in the new york. Post entitled lockdowns are breaking. Our kids and the damage may be permanent. That's chilling that that should concern. Folks her name is bethany mandel. she's been our guest. Before the second paragraph of your piece says continued. Lockdowns are killing our kids literally. Tell me about yeah. I mean so it. It comes in a lot of form but the thing that i am most concerned about for for the sake of the peace. Honestly just in general is is a mental health component. Because i sort of. I went into this. I went into writing this piece and i. I spoke to a number of mental health. Experts thinking that we were going to be giving our kids. ocd With all the hand washing and the whatever And the good news is nice to have good news as well. You can give someone who. Cd cat sort of drill it into spinach ohio. That being said The line that that apparent that often the unions are using. His kids are resilient Randi weingarten said that several days ago. Yes they're resilient but they're only resilient to a point and we are reaching. We're reaching a point of no return for a lot of kids and there's a number of children who are susceptible to mental health issues anxiety. Ocd is included Depression and all of these things that under normal circumstances they their surroundings can sort of trump their biological predisposition can come out of childhood as functioning healthy mentally healthy adults. But if you put stress on them like they've had for the last year You're tipping the scales into pathology and you're you're tipping the scales into them coming out of this With serious mental health issues. That why why. Why is because we do. See kids as resilient we do. See that they they bounce back in many in almost all cases better than parents. What do you think when when you said. We're getting into pathology. Why do you think that is the case here. Because there's they're they're resilient up to a point and some children have different levels of resilience in an apparent. I'm sure that you know this as well. You see some of your kids bounced back very quickly and some of your kids. Don't some of your kids have a hard time sort of coming back from a fight or from getting in trouble. There's some kids that really carry it with them and their kids that are going to carry this year with them and this year has come with a lot of baggage for kids. The isolation especially for older kids The isolation has been extremely damaging him and putting them on the most healthy unhealthy form of communication possible. The internet for them to have relationships with their friends is extremely detrimental and And and we're we see that the the rates of childhood depression. Frat lessons skyrocket when they're on the internet and that's all they've been on for the last The the the. There's a lot of kids who might have otherwise than okay Who are now being placed in a position where they are much more susceptible to mental health issues because of this the situation the the uncertainty and the isolation the increased internet use There's a lot of factors here and also being around adults who are anxious or who have economic concerns and that's not even delving into the kids who are stuck at home with parents who are neglectful or abusive and who have not been exposed to mandatory reporters on a regular basis who could intervene in any way And then there's no literally knowing of american children who are from to purposes missing. They have not registered as home schoolers. They have not logged into zoom. It all and we don't know where they are or how they are This this year as we're coming out of it we're we're gonna we're gonna find some stuff out that's gonna be really really disturbing and it was Heartbreakingly going to evolve been preventable. You talk to various experts who are dealing with children going through this. Did they give you a an indicator as to. This is a red flag with your child. This is the moment. 'cause you know look i got teenagers. Teenagers can be dramatic especially girls. I have boys but their friends are very dramatic and my friends who have teenage girls. Tell me that they can be very dramatic and even boys can to some extent when when when are we entering into pathology winner. We entering into you might need to get some help. I think it looks different for every child. and what. what's also heartbreaking about the situation and speaking a little bit from experience here The wait list for mental health professionals for children are the longest they've ever been Because everyone's kids are going through crisis right now and so pediatricians. And i've i've heard this from a number of pediatricians That they have not seen the flu this year. They've not seen r. v. they've not seen croup. They won pediatrician in chicago. In the chicago area told me that by three pm of an entire of full day he had seen nothing but mental health issues and kicks he from from the beginning of the day at ninety and his first patient until three. Pm patient every single patient. He saw varying in age but mostly adolescents. Were there with mental health concerns and pediatricians are not trained for that and and that was a frustration that he heard from another pediatrician in the tech in the texas region in in a region texas. She said this is not. This is not white. Became a pediatrician. If i wanted to be a psychiatrist. I would have been a psychiatrist. The pediatrician in place in this position. And so i think the number one thing that i would recommend is to talk to. Your kids pediatrician. If you're you're seeing a change in their sleep patterns in their behavioral patterns Try to keep an open dialogue as much as possible with them and also make sure that they have as much of a sense of normalcy as possible. And that looks different for where you are. And your family's risk level but But the the maintenance of of normalcy in my family has done Saving grace for us. What do you think it is about this because kids are away for the summer. We're still unkindest very schedule where we're off for three months and that doesn't seem to scar them. What is it uniquely about this. That is is it what they're missing out on because oddly my kids really got a kick out of you know we. We left for for spring break last spring they left school and then never went back to actual in person school and they thought that was great and they did well and in the summer came by the time the fall started they were ready to go back to school and see their friends in in return to normalcy is it the loss of normalcy that is so troubling or is it the loss of things that they enjoy doing. Or what is it about this. I think the the thing that i've heard the most from parents who are having kids with mental health issues is that there and also honestly from from adults as well as it's a feeling of hopelessness we don't we don't have an end date on this so when i was a kid i did not like summer vacations. I found him really isolating. And i found a very boring but i always had a date to look forward to and i was things to look forward to Family vacations Going back to school all of those things and kids have nothing to look forward to have no date to circle on the calendar to say this is when my life will resume and so. There's a feeling of hopelessness. Because they don't know if their lives we'll go back to normal let alone win And there's you know there's only so much you can. You can stunt a child's development. I mean i think about my kids. I mean this has been a full counter. Your for one of my children. That's the third of his life for another child that percent of her life. My my oldest daughter is seven. And she says i don't remember a time when we came here without a mask. I don't know what my gym my gymnastics teacher. Her face looks like and it really bothers her So their sense of time is different because they've had less life under their belt Point i hadn't thought about that. And i gotta tell you. The the lack of emotion the inability to see the window into people's souls their smiles there there. I think that this hiding behind a mask this very sterile environment it's not actually sterile but it. It is lifeless clinical. I think that there is a consequence to that as well it it. It creates an emotional distance and we need political animals. We need to interact and lug love and hug and and talk and touch and and you take all that away. I i agree. I think that's a terrible thing the last time you and i spoke. I think it was our last discussion. You had one of your children That you were trying to keep occupied in the office depot. If i recall correctly and you had sat down in a corner out of the way so no one would see you and you're letting this kid just terrorize the store. So i can't remember his boy or girl so the child would be quiet that we could have our conversation. Did they throw you out of the store like how did that they did. Not we just hit in the corner. God i forgot that we hit in the corner and i let her Opened a package of posted. And i let her post at flags and she posted this corner. Posted notes are great. Fun and then i bought the posted and here we. Are you know everybody was wondering everybody was wondering okay. Did she posted notorious she. One of those people so ramone. Our our producer has had his two boys in the studio with us this week. Because momma is an it professional and and and the the kids school there in preschool. Their preschool disclosed this week. And so i have to tell you It changes the tenor. You know our topic selection is a lot more is a lot less intense in. It's a lot more kind of family friendly and in touch with your your softer side because kids just make you happy right so getting around the kids during the day as has actually been kind of a treat for us. I know it has been for him this week. That's so nice. Yeah i mean we there. If that's not to say that we have hated every moment. I mean it's funny for for all of the anti down Some stuff that. I've been saying i i'm sort of speaking from the perspective of someone who had not great child who would have come out of this time period as a Really really not in good shape now but having my husband home for the last eleven months has been the best time in our marriage and i would never trade it for the world and i hope that this this chains changes our family dynamic and structure and that and we sort of stick to some of this if not all of this so it's it's not all bad you know it's not all bad and i would tell you kind of as a cultural change Many other families have told me this. We eat dinner as a family almost every single night. Now in my wife said i don't know why i got out of the habit. I was so busy running kids back and forth and we were ordering a lot but now she cooks almost every meal and we sit down and eat as a family and then the kids help with the dishes and we're talking more and so some of those things are positive cultural changes you know when you took away all the sporting events and kids events and all that and we had all this time on our hands some of it. We use rather productively. Yeah yeah i i. I have taken from this that we were too busy and that we needed to spend more time together So you know it's not all bad but But i don't think that it's fair to expect kids to Live this life indefinitely To their extreme detriment you're right and and you approached an issue that tends to be the secondary discussion which is the mental health and the psychological effects on children of what we've done here but the first issue tends to be what school is for which is the dissemination of education the sparking of a fire the engaging intellectually the learning to think and communicate and everyone tells me every teacher that loves to teach not union officials that this is harmful to the education of our children especially poor children especially children. Who don't have a tutor at home. Who can help them with this. Have you seen yeah no. That's exactly right. I mean people always kind of hit me. Because i'm a home schooler. And so they say why why you going so great. Why don't you send. Why don't you tell everyone tell him score. And i say i. I'm i'm crow. School choice and people should be able to make choices and a lot of people do not want to make a choice and should not be forced into it and while home scoring is best for our family and our children. It's not best for a lot of families. And i think that we have to sort of face. The reality is people who i mean. We have a very and have a very good life in our children are very blessed and there's unfortunately a lot of kids out there who do not have what my children have and they need someone who is a mandatory reporter with is on them. They need to make sure they're eating enough. There was a heartbreaking story out of new jersey a couple of days ago where a girl was on zoom call and she started crying because she was hungry her mother was a waitress and she was laid off and they were not getting enough food and the number of stories that teachers especially in in inner cities and in poor districts can tell you about the things that they've caught and the stories that they've heard and the reports that they've made to child protective services things about all of those kids who do not have that guardian angel this year and they need it and they are being They're being done a real disturbance by our decide our society because of Paranoia what concerns me is not only overall lack. In in this generation of kids the lack of growth and development that school should be fostering and promoting but that it's going to fall hardest on the kids who were already behind already the poorest already. The most challenged because folks with money can hire tutors. Folks with money near can travel to places where schools are open. I mean i know a lot of people that have that have moved from new york to florida because the schools were open. And so it's really gonna fall hard on the poorest kids. Yep that's exactly right. And that's that's something that has really frustrated me as someone who used to consider herself Progressive liberal I was progressive. Because i was you know under the false impression that we were the ones that cared about. The poor were the ones that cared about minorities and now the progressive of of our political society has decided that lockdowns are the moral thing to do. And there's been no conversation about its impact on women. There's no conversation about the impact on the lower class. There's a no conversation about how this has created a gulf of opportunity between the haves and the have nots. And you know we've been lectured for the last fifteen years about checking your privilege if you are able to stay home and draw full paycheck and your kids are doing okay. You need to check your privilege. That is so true that is so true. And if you actually care about your neighbors your community in the people of this country we have to open the schools in and this is only revealed. What many of us suspected already that teachers unions are not in the business of promoting education or the welfare of children And and what they are in the business of is terribly disturbing and their power is is far too too vast within the democrat party being mandel. You a wonderful guest. Please come back and see us. I appreciate your time. It's a great piece posted it to the blog. Everyone can read it and should thank you. Thank you so much. have a good one.

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Biden Wants to Reopen Schools Within 100 Days. Heres Why That Might Not Happen

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08:17 min | 2 months ago

Biden Wants to Reopen Schools Within 100 Days. Heres Why That Might Not Happen

"Biden wants to reopen schools within one hundred days. Here's why that might not happen. By katie riley. A cozy fire flickered in the background and the mood was friendly as dr anthony foul. She met with the nation's top teacher's union leaders. Randi weingarten of the american federation of teachers and becky pringle of the national education association for a virtual fireside chat in late january but the conversation was somber especially when weingarten she said is on. Everybody's mind as pringle nodded in agreement. What do we do now. How do we both stand up in school. Learning weingarten said a reference to reopening schools as the pandemic rages on and keep people protected. This has been the recurring question. Since the corona virus. I shut down schools nearly a year ago in march twenty twenty as the school semester of this pandemic school year begins and the biden administration promises to get the virus under control. There is renewed urgency to figure out how to improve the state of education and safely. Bring more children back into classrooms at the same time. The country has surpassed four hundred forty thousand deaths from covid nineteen and is facing the challenge of new variants of the virus. Foul she reiterated. President joe biden's determination to open most is within his first one hundred days in office something. The president noted in his address but found she added. That's the goal. That may not happen because there may be mitigating circumstances. But what he really wants to do. Is everything within his power to help get to that across the country. Though debates over school reopening continued to rage amid concerns about learning loss and the mental and emotional toll on children and as some teachers unions demand. Vaccinations for educators. Before they are forced to return to classrooms as of january thirty first thirty eight two percent of k. through twelve students were attending schools offering virtual only instruction and thirty seven point. Eight percent were attending. Schools offering daily in person learning according to a school reopening tracker by burgio which abrogates school and community calendars and has been monitoring the plants of twelve hundred school districts in chicago. The country's third largest school district started in person learning for prekindergarten and special education students in january it planned for more than sixty thousand elementary and middle school students to resume in person learning monday but the district remained locked in a disagreement with chicago. Teachers union members voted to refuse to return to school due to health concerns and called for expanded covid nineteen testing and vaccinations for educators. I the union also asked the districts to allow more educators to work remotely if they have an immuno compromised family member at home. The district expects to start vaccinating teachers and other school staff. In mid february. The fairfax education association and virginia has taken one of the strongest positions on the issue petitioning for a continuation of remote learning until fall. Twenty twenty one and calling for vaccinations of staff as well. As students. The pfizer bio intech and madonna cova nineteen. Vaccines are not currently authorized for children under age sixteen and under age eighteen respectively california governor gavin newsom to plan to reopen elementary schools for the youngest students starting on february sixteenth faced pushback from some state legislators and school district leaders. Who said there wasn't enough time or funding to implement the new health and safety requirements. The california teachers association also called on newsom to slow the spread of the virus in the state and vaccinate more people before reopening schools saying vaccines for school. Employees are a key element to safe. In-person school reopening some or all teachers and at least twenty three states. The district of columbia and puerto rico are now eligible to receive the vaccine according to a tracker by education week. But the vaccine rollout has been slow and just because teachers are eligible. It doesn't mean they've been able to actually get the vaccine yet. Due to limited vaccine supplies with roughly four months left in this academic year that lag has solidified concerns. That many children might not learn in person at all before the school year ends. If we wait for the perfect we might as well just pack it up and just be honest with folks that we're not going to open for in person. Instruction the school year newsom said january twenty eighth in an event with the association of california school administrators politico reported the issue continues to divide parents as some demonstrate in favor of school reopening and others raise health concerns in many school districts. White parents have been more likely to opt for in person learning while the parents of color have been more hesitant to send their children back into buildings perhaps because of the pandemic disproportionate impact on communities of color and a lack of trust. That school districts will keep their children safe biden who has pledged to work closely with educators and teachers union leaders on plans to reopen schools. Has been careful not to criticize teachers. Who refused to return to classrooms and on her first full day in the white house. First lady joe biden a member of the national education association hosted a virtual event with pringle and weingarten. We need new ventilation systems in those schools. We need testing for people coming in and out of the classes. We need testing for teachers as well as students. President biden said during a press conference on january twenty fifth straight. So much about the idea. That teachers aren't going to work. he added. They just want to work in a safe environment. And as safe as we can rationally make it and we can do that and we should be able to every school kindergarten through eighth grade. If in fact we administer these tests biden issued an executive order during his first week in office directing the education department and department of health and human services to provide clear reopening guidance and share data and best practices with schools. Something experts had criticized the trump administration for not doing by also called on congress to direct at least one hundred thirty billion dollars to schools and three hundred fifty billion dollars to state and local governments to help prevent school. Layoffs close budget gaps and fund covid nineteen testing supplies since the beginning of the the debate over when and how to reopen. School buildings has involved a careful negotiation between the fact that the youngest children are less likely to get seriously sick from the virus but teachers and other school employees are just as susceptible less any other adult public health. Experts have long said that safely reopening schools depends on getting the virus role in the community at large an article published on january twenty sixth by researchers for the centers for disease control and prevention in the journal jama concluded that the preponderance of available evidence shows. The virus did not spread rapidly in schools in the fall as it did in nursing homes and meat processing plants. The article said schools can reopen safely as long as mitigation measures are in place including requiring face masks increasing physical distance in classrooms preventing crowding improving ventilation and using testing to identify and is late virus cases. The article suggested that communities restrict indoor restaurant dining or indoor school sports in order to enable in person learning. We're not going to get back to normal until week at the children back in school. Both for the good of the children for the good of the parents and for the good of the community falcons said thursday. But we wanna make sure. We do that by giving the teachers and the team associated with the teachers the resources that they need to do that. The idea of saying go do it on your own. That doesn't work.

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Dennis Walcott 7-19-20

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08:48 min | 9 months ago

Dennis Walcott 7-19-20

"Were searching for a way to live life beyond the mask. If you have symptoms and test positive for Covid, nineteen, a clinical research study may be your opportunity to help find a treatment. Talk to your doctor and visit study for Cova Dot Com to learn more. Morning New York this. Is the cats roundtable? Sean Catch TV series. Sunday morning, well New York. Are we open up with this This morning is a a friend of mine for many many years ago. Dennis Kat. We were on the Urban League together now. He's the head of the Queens Library System Good Morning Dennis. How are you this morning and good morning to you? John It's a pleasure to talk to you again and I'm blessed and well I'm glad. You found me while you're. On libraries well, so we are great and Hopefully a your well. Your family's well as well and you have. The libraries are gradually opening up this past, Monday we opened up in Queens, seven branches, and then in New York and Brooklyn Public Library. System opened up branches as well and so we have twenty two branches between the three systems that are opening new. For what we call in grabbing, go services, so people can order books, and then they'll be ready at particular library all this week I've been out visiting our libraries, and then we opened up A. Library solely for people. To drop off their books and materials since we shut down back in March there in new in Queens alone, there are over three hundred thousand items. Better out, so people have the ability to return them now they will never be any find attributed to them at all and they have until October first without any fines so. To open up to take the books back into circulation, we'll let them sit for seventy two hours and then put them back into distribution, and then people can order books as well as the e books than we've been also virtual as well so we have virtual sessions for children for adults. We have training programs entrepreneurship programs. We have hip hop coordinator who does a lot of music as well so we're doing a variety of different things in the borough of Queens. Army came. Up a won't be using it enough and tell me what she thinks about our school system reopening, because you know we both care for our inner city, kids and you know I'm still under a board of a police Athletic League and. Cities, and so we do so a couple of things I think people are taking in our children are taking advantage. library services food the virtual programming. We have what we call off stacks program, which is an after school program. We've been offering virtually as well we have a program called brain fuse, which is program where people can call up a Delta and children, if they have specific questions and need information and dealing with the schools, as you know, is used to be the former chancellor and city public school system if it. It was a city would be the eighth or ninth largest city in the country, and I think part of the challenges and the governor in America, then an outstanding job in balancing the health issues that we have to face and also making sure we're trying to provide educational service, both remotely as well as in person and the mayor put in place they program as you know where children will be in one to three days a week, and then in addition to that they will have remote learning, and he announced a program where they'll be. In place to provide quarter services, so the governor has taken a very macro state book at it, and I've been lucky enough to be on the governor's Task Force and the mayor's task force around education, and the governor's put in certain levers as far as making sure that all the districts in the state provide a plan by July thirty first tone how they'll be educating our children both in New, York, city and throughout the state, and then districts will be implementing those plants. Opening all libraries opening or schools, even if it's part, time I. I'm sure it's progress What else would you recommend? That should be done to help out inner city kids by one of the things we have. You know I think one of the things we have to be very prepared for is the emotional needs of children, our staff quite frankly whether it's a library, staff or education staff It's been a very traumatic period for all of us I. think There's a lot of concern and fear out there for those individuals who will be going back to school. and we have to make sure we have. The mental health supports in place. We work with other communities organizations to provide those services and supports a distinct remember. People are fifty five and older who are teachers and staff, and we have to be conscious of their needs, and their hell tastes as well and I think the necessary. Necessary supports for parents are paramount and I think that's where community organizations like libraries and other institutions to supplement what he is doing and making people have a constant flow of information on what's happening and I think those are the types of supports, but I think the blended model that American place there's something that gives that in school time for the children, but also dealing with reality of social distancing the transportation of the children, and all the conflicts that go along with that should make sure that our staff and our children stay safe, and not having the ability to have all the children come back one time or understood. I Randi Weingarten on our show last last, Sunday, and What do you think should be done if you were still transfer with? Were schoolteachers because the biggest danger? In the system seems to be people over sixty years old What would you recommend for the food? So, as you hit it right on because all employees, ideally who are fifty, five and older, roughly twenty two percent, and when you look at it, teachers roughly fourteen percent are five and older, and I think it's important for one to be a constant flow of communication, constant dialogue back and forth or the unions whether it's the UFC or the. Union or the other union DC thirty seven to make sure people understand what's happening, and they have constant feedback loop going on, so that's one, too. I think those who may have special issues. Medical Issues even in motion mental health issues. We need to identify who they are and making sure. Their positions provide remote learning. If they're not comfortable in coming into classrooms, and that matching has to take place, and I imagine the chancellor and his excellent team are doing that now, so you have that type of sophisticated system in place because people don't have concerns, people have health issues and I think we have a responsibility. Responsibility to make sure we do that that some of the things that we're trying to do at the library we've forum where we call teams assigned to the various libraries that are open and those libraries that will be opening so that way they're in a basic pod themselves, and so they know what's going on, and then we have substitutes. If someone should get sick to deal with that, I think what the governors talked about which is really very appropriate, as well as if the numbers of the percentages reach a certain level, and a determination has to be made in the various districts on either shutting down the system. System was shut down in particular school and making sure that information is constantly flowing out to all level the civilization, then the parents and we have a responsibility to make sure that the parents have that information and again I think libraries, and maybe these organizations can play very instrumental role in supporting the school system in addressing quite frankly the the beginning I mean you have enlarged system and we all want to have our children back in school I have my grandchildren living with us, my daughter, my grandson and we definitely want them to go back, but we also aware of the reality that they cannot. CanNot go back based on social distancing requirement and other issues, and so that blended model that the chancellor and the mass. Talk about there's something that will work Janice. Woolcock, former translator, overall department of Education, and currently with the Queen's Public Library System thank you so much for what you do for our city, and what you do for a lot of departments of the which what you've done in the past and what you do today, God bless you and stay healthy and catch up again soon. John Look Forward to best to you and your family and thank you for having me on the show. Fishes to catch roundtable all day right back.

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Teachers' Union Says It Will Support Educators Who Strike Over COVID-19

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07:24 min | 9 months ago

Teachers' Union Says It Will Support Educators Who Strike Over COVID-19

"Influential. Teacher's Union says it will support educators who strike over Corona Vince Safety concerns by Colin Brinkley of the Associated Press. One of the nation's largest teacher's unions is authorizing its members to strike if their schools plan to reopen without proper safety measures in the middle of the global pandemic, the American Federation of Teachers, which represents one point seven million school employees issued a resolution on Tuesday saying it will support any local chapter that decides to strike over reopening plans in providing its blessing. The Union is also offering local chapters access to its financial and legal resources as they navigate a return to the classroom. Union officials said, they will provide legal support, communication, support, and staffing to local chapters that vote to strike. Although, the measure says strikes should be considered only as a last resort. It lists conditions. The organization wants met for schools to reopen. It says buildings should reopen only in areas with lower virus rates, and only if schools require masks, update ventilation systems and make changes to space students apart. In announcing the measure, the Union's president blasted President Donald Trump for pressuring schools to reopen. Even as the virus continues to surge Randi Weingarten called trump's response chaotic and catastrophic saying it has left teachers afraid. We will fight on all fronts for the safety of our students and their educators Weingarten said. But if authorities don't protect the safety and health of those, we represent those we serve as our executive council voted last week. Nothing is off the table. The unions leaders approved the resolution Friday, but announced it Tuesday at the group's convention, which is being hosted online amid the pandemic. The Nation's largest teacher's Union the National Education Association separately said, its members will do whatever it takes to protect students. Nobody wants to see students back in the classroom more than educators. But when it comes to their safety, we're not ready to take any options off the table Lily Eskillson Garcia said in a statement. For, weeks, trump has pressed for a full reopening of the nation's schools. Last week, he acknowledged that some schools may need to delay a return to in person instruction, but he still asking Congress to withhold future virus relief to schools that failed to reopen some of the nation's largest public school districts are starting the school year online including in Los Angeles Atlanta, and Houston. The Chicago Teachers Union which has clashed with the city over its school reopening plan said on Tuesday that isn't ruling out a work stoppage. It's long past time for our nation's educators to come together and fight collectively for the common good up to and including striking to ameliorate the social and economic inequalities at the root of the consequences of this insidious virus. The Union's Vice President Stacy Davis Gates said in a statement. Davis Gates said any safety strike would include broader demands to support frontline workers to provide broadband access to every student to ensure universal health care and to get a hard commitment from public officials to protect black and brown lives who's neighborhoods are disproportionately bearing the burden of death and illness from covid nineteen. In Massachusetts nurses represented by the Boston. Teacher's Union are planning a sit in at city. Hall, on Wednesday over the city's reopening plan, the nurses are calling for rapid testing in schools to identify covid nineteen, the disease caused by the corona virus. They also want more protective equipment for nurses and teachers and assessments of air quality in school buildings among other measures. In Ohio's largest district about twenty seven hundred Columbus City schools educators had previously signed a letter calling on leaders to start the full term online with the union arguing that the stakes are too high for experiments. They got their wish Tuesday as the district announced it will start the year with virtual learning for all students in pre kindergarten through twelfth grade for other districts planning to reopen the federation's safety demands could be difficult to meet the Union. Says schools should open only in areas where the infection rate among those tested for the disease caused by the corona virus. covid nineteen is below five percent and where the transmission rate is below one percent. It also says, local authorities must have plans to close schools if cases spike. Along with mask requirements, the Union is also pushing schools to keep people six feet apart to keep buildings and buses clean and to make accommodations for teachers at greater risk of health problems if they contract covid nineteen. For many schools more funding will be needed to reopen safely. The union said, it estimates the average school will need at least one point, two, million dollars amounting to one hundred, sixteen, billion dollars nationwide. The resolution says trump and Senate. Republicans have failed to negotiate and pass a new stimulus bill to address the resources vitally needed for reopening our schools. The latest stimulus proposal from the White House and Senate Republicans includes one hundred, five billion dollars for schools and colleges though some of the money is only for schools that reopen for in person classes. In May. The Democratic led House included one, hundred, billion dollars for schools. None of it limited to those holding on site classes. But House Speaker Nancy Pelosi has said even more money is needed. In her speech Weingarten said teachers want schools to reopen children need in person instruction. She said adding that remote instruction is no substitute for it but she said teachers need to know they'll be kept safe. Before trump began pressing schools to reopen. She said a union poll found that its members were comfortable returning. If proper safeguards were in place now they're afraid and angry she said many are quitting retiring or writing their wills. Along, with strikes the union said, it will fight unsafe reopening plans through lawsuits and labor grievances. The Unions Florida chapter filed a lawsuit last week attempting to block the State's plan to reopen schools which the suit called reckless and unsafe.

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Democracy Now! 2021-02-17 Wednesday

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Democracy Now! 2021-02-17 Wednesday

"Hi i'm amy goodman this year. Democracy now turns twenty five years old. That's right twenty five years of bringing you the voices and stories. You won't hear. In the corporate media. Democracy now is always refuse to take government or corporate funding because nothing is more important to us than our editorial independence. Nothing is more important to us than telling you the truth but that means we rely on you our audience for support please visit democracy now dot org right now and make your twenty five dollar contribution in honor of our twenty fifth anniversary and help us stay on air for another twenty five years and then another twenty five after that. Thank you so much and remember wearing a mask is an act of love wearing to is even better from new york. This is democracy now. I think that we should be vaccinated teachers. We should move. Them up hierarchies as president biden backs prioritizing covid nineteen vaccines for teachers. We look at the debate. Over how to safely reopen schools during the pandemic will speak to randi weingarten president of the american federation of teachers and stacy davis gates of the chicago teachers union which just agreed to a deal reopening schools. Then we go to bessemer alabama where amazon workers voting on whether to become the first unionized amazon work warehouse in country. So may doing everything they can to keep it. This is a story about david aid lawyer. Why now being david fighting goliath. We all know how that story. Plus we speak to sarah jaffe author of the new book work house devotion to our jobs. Keeps us exploited exhausted and alone the expectation that we're going to love our jobs and do them under. All sorts of horrific conditions has taken over the way we think about work all that and more coming up. Welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I made me goodman. At least twenty. Three people have been killed. Millions remain without power as a major winter storm. Sweeps across large swaths of the country bringing record breaking cold and snow and overwhelmed and underprepared power grid in texas plunge millions into freezing cold and darkness. Hundreds of thousands also lost power across parts of appalachia as well as oregon. This is a resident of denton. Texas fireplace bola. Would we had. There's just this is sad. Sad state affairs. I wish it were better but an. Somebody's gotta do some planning after all. This is over and make sure there's an alternative source of energy texas republican governor greg. Abbott took to fox news tuesday to blame renewable energy for his states blackouts saying the green new deal would be deadly for the his comments. Contradicted texas's own energy department which said the outages were due to quote frozen instruments at natural gas coal and even nuclear facilities. New york congressman barral. Exander casio cortez quote. The infrastructure failures and texas are quite literally. What happens when you don't pursue a green new deal. She said texas set up. Its own power grid. Air kat in the nineteen thirties to avoid federal regulation prisoners in texas including one thousand women at the fort worth federal. Medical prison reported having no heat and matamoros texts mexico which sits on the border with brownsville. Texas around one thousand asylum seekers who are denied entry into the united states as part of trump's remain in mexico policy. We're forced to face the subfreezing temperatures inside low grade tents in north carolina or tornado. Killed at least three people. The winter storm also disrupted states vaccination programmes stalling deliveries and shutting down vaccine sites across texas in harris county. Health officials rushed to distribute thousands of vaccine doses after storage freezers. Lost power president biden. Held a town hall hosted by cnn. In milwaukee tuesday evening where. He was questioned by host anderson cooper about vaccine availability. Win is every american. Who wants it. Going to be able to get a vaccine by the end of july this year we we came into office. There was only fifty million doses available. We have now by the end. July will have over six hundred million doses enough to vaccinate every single. American president biden urged people to support the one point nine trillion dollar corona virus stimulus. Package that house. Democrats are working to finalize a house. Vote is expected at the end of next week. Meanwhile the biden administration extended the federal moratorium on foreclosures through the end of june biden also extended the window to request mortgage forbearance as well as six months of additional forbearance for homeowners who enroll by the end of june aa. Cpi filed a lawsuit tuesday against former president trump rudy giuliani and far right groups for inciting the deadly. Us capitol insurrection on january six. The law suit brought on behalf of mississippi congress member and house security chair. Bennie thompson says trump and others violated the eighteen. Seventy one ku klux klan act. Which is supposed to protect black people and lawmakers from white supremacist. Violence and lacey. P. president eric johnson said quote. The insurrection was the culmination of carefully orchestrated months. Long plan to destroy democracy to block the results of a fair and democratic election and to disenfranchise hundreds of thousands of african american voters who cast valid ballots unquote francis. National assembly approved the controversial so called anti-separatism separatism bill tuesday which the government says. We'll strengthen france's secular principles and help counter the rise of militant islamist groups. But critics say the laws unfairly target muslim communities and could deprive them of their civil rights among other things. The bill strengthens the government's ability to shut down places of worship and religious schools and ban. What if teams to be extremist religious leaders the legislation now heads to the french senate where it's also expected to pass french. President emmanuel macron joined the heads of state of burkina foucault. Chad mali mauritania in asia. This week via video link for a summit on the mounting crisis in the suhel france seeking to avoid an infinite war but did not have immediate plans to draw down. It's fifty one hundred troops in the west african region. Meanwhile chad says it plans to deploy twelve hundred troops to combat armed groups associated with the islamic state al-qaeda. According to one tally seven thousand people were killed due to the conflict last year while the un warned over two million have been displaced in spain. The arrest of a wrapper over song lyrics and tweets has sparked protests and fear. Scrutiny over the government's control of freedom of speech pablo has cell was arrested. Tuesday after barricading himself inside a university to avoid serving a prison term for quote glorifying terrorism unquote and insulting the monarchy so referred to former king juan carlos it drunken tyrant and showed support for the bosc separatist group at among other charges. This is has sell speaking from inside the university where he was barricaded orders from them was a former either. We have an overwhelming and organiz response to these severe tax from the state for they will keep cutting our most fundamental rights and freedoms. We have to stop this. There might be people thinking that this does not affect them directly but of course it does one of us mrs working class as a whole news. It in response to the public outcry over who sells case. The spanish government has said it will ease its restrictions on free speech back in the united states buzzfeed reports the biden administration has directed homeland security officials to stop using the terms alien and illegal alien. When referring to immigrants and asylum-seekers terms immigrant rights advocates have long called out for being dehumanizing and racist. This comes as a new report reveals. President biden and other democrats received more campaign money from leading border security and immigration prison corporations than trump and fellow republicans during the twenty twenty election season. According to the report by transnational institute american friends service committee and mahinda biden received over five million dollars from border security executives while trump got one point seven million dollars in campaign contributions from them in georgia meat plant workers who survived a deadly liquid nitrogen leak at gainesville poultry processing plant last month say. They're being discriminated against an intimidated as they try to file compensation claims and get medical care. Six people were killed. Nearly a dozen others were hospitalized at the plant which is owned by the foundation food group. Most of the workers in gainesville meat processing plants are latin necks in media news. The hedge fund alden global capital has struck a deal to fully acquire tribune publishing publisher of the chicago tribune and other major publications john. Joyce president of the news tweeted quote a terrible deal for the company. The workers the shareholders and our democracy. Alden is only interested in extreme short-term profits by cutting everything to the bone they have no long-term plan hashtag save local news unquote however some tribune papers including the baltimore. Sun and the capital gazette will instead be acquired by nonprofit form by hotel executive stuart bynum junior and renowned palestinian author and poet. Marie barghuti died sunday. At the age of seventy six and amman jordan barghuti spent most of his life in exile writing about his palestinian homeland and the israeli occupation. He married the acclaimed egyptian writer. Rodwell sure who died in two thousand fourteen in his autobiographical novel. I saw ramallah in which he returns to his palestinian hometown. After an absence of thirty years barghouti writes the calm of the place of exile and its wish for safety is never completely realized the homeland does not leave the body until the last moment the moment of death he wrote and those are some of the headlines this is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I mean goodman. We begin today's show looking at the state of the nation's school a year into the covid nineteen pandemic on tuesday night president biden said teachers should be given higher priority to get vaccines and he pledged to reopen the majority of elementary schools in his first one hundred days by made the comments at a town hall meeting in milwaukee hosted by. Cnn's anderson cooper. I think that we should be vaccinated teachers who should move them up in hierarchy. Throw let me ask you Your administration had set a goal to open the majority of schools in your first one hundred days. You're now saying that means those schools may only be open for at least one day a week. That's not true. That's what was reported. That's not true was a mistake in the communication. But what i'm talking about is. I said opening the majority of schools in k through eighth grade. Because they're the easiest to open the most needed to be open in terms of the impact on children and families having to stay home. So when do you think that would be k. Through eighth we'll be close to that. At the end of the first hundred days we'd have a significant percentage of them being able to be opened my read. My guess is gonna probably be pushing to open all for all summer to continue like it's different semester. Do you think that would be a weaker. Just i think. I think many of them five days a week the goal we five days a week. Now it's going to be harder to open up the high schools for the reasons i said. President biden speaking tuesday night and this comes as many school districts across the nation are debating how to safely bring children back into the classroom in chicago. The city's begun reopening schools for the districts. Youngest students following a fight between the city and the teacher's union over cova protocols meanwhile the centers for disease control and prevention has faced criticism for saying schools can be reopened safely before teachers vaccinated this. Cdc director dr roadshow lonski speaking earlier. This month i would also say that safe reopening of schools is not the vaccination of teachers is not a prerequisite for safe reopening of schools. We're joined now by two guests. Randi weingarten is president of the american federation of teachers and stacy. Davis gates is executive vice president of the chicago teachers union. We welcome you both to democracy. Now let's begin here in new york. Randi weingarten talk about the state of the schools in new york city. And what the american federation of teachers demanding so What we're demanding new york and what we're did demanded in chicago. And i'm so glad that you have stacey on is quite similar. it's there's a protocol of about five things including prioritizing teachers vaccines using testing. I'm like the. Nfl does like industry does as a way of really seeing what's unseen and then the kind of the safety protocols that we're in the cdc guidance including and and and chicago and new york have done a good job about this because the union has pushed so hard including making sure that those who are at risk or who were taking care of people at risk have reasonable accommodations. And so when you have these kind of protocols together and you have safety committees and and ways in which she make sure that these are enforced what we just saw in a recent poll. We released last night. Is that the people who are in school trusted and trust that they're going to be safe and so eighty eight percent of my membership in this poll but we just did last week. Said if we could get these protocols they will feel comfortable being in school. They know it's important. And that includes seventy three percent of those who are on remote right now so what's happening in new york right now. Who is back in school. Who is doing remote learning. And what do you see is the timetable. So what's happening in new york right now. Is that elementary schools. So so parents have a choice in all of these districts whether or not they have their kids in person or on remote in new york city they they started. They reopened everything in a hybrid basis in a blended basis in september october and november in november. When the weight started going very high in new york there was a three week pause and then they reopened in december elementary schools and special ed and kids with special needs. I pre k elementary kids with special needs and those kids are back in schools. Most of the week This monday and tuesday they will start reopening in york city Middle schools and what they have in new york city. Which is the key to this. Reopening is that is a very Testing program so that twenty to twenty five percent of people with kids and teachers get tested Twos reported antigen pcb pcr tests to see. If you know there's cova transmission in school and there's real protocols about if there's a case that classroom gets closed if there's two or three non vector cases meaning cases after you cut contract tris cases coming from different ways. The school closed for ten days or so and that has been what has kept the schools open and transmission down. So it is. Both the protocols at cdc talked about that prevent transmission. But also the testing so that you see it and finally and this is what stacey pushed really hard in chicago and what michael mulgrew. Our leader in new york push really hard in york is the vaccinations and over. Fifteen thousand new york city teachers People who are in schools. I have gotten their first. Some have gotten their second dose of the vaccination and i'm really glad that President biden said last night. That teachers should be prioritized. We've tried to do that for the last several months. We've pushed very hard for the cdc deprioritize teachers schools. Were supposed to be open for in person learning because that's important and we need that extra layer of protection for teachers just like obviously for healthcare workers for nursing homes but it has not happened In most places. Twenty four states do prioritize teachers but We have not had. We have not seen that in action as much as we should. So stacey gates The nea the national education association adjusted a survey. They said eighty two percent of teachers have not been vaccinated. Seventy percent will feel safer about working in person. Once vaccinated twenty percent of white educators are vaccinated. Nine percent of black had caters are vaccinated. Can you talk about the significance of this significance of this. Entire pandemic has fallen along the lines of race. Racism equity and inequity. And will we see here. Is the collapse of a society at the same time. We need the most We need the most for instance We're having a discussion about reopening schools without understanding what types of schools were reopening. There is a standard that. I think most people are thinking of when they think of schools. They're not thinking of schools on the west side of chicago whose facilities haven't been upgraded For generation they're not thinking of schools on the south side of chicago. That had been perpetually unclean because we have Privatized are janitorial staff These are things that should be added to the context of cdc guidelines. Cdc guidelines are only as important as they can be implemented in places that had the resources to implement it places that have administrative fortitude and a workforce that are willing to enforce it guidelines are wanting the implementation and enforcement are find another and in chicago. We have a hard time believing that under marrow control that we would have the type of enforcement of These guidelines all by itself. Because we haven't seen that indeed again it won't be into the end of our contract until we have a nurse in every school. There's not a social worker in every school. So when i hear people talk about kids need to be in school because of all of the things that are schools provide well. You need to come to chicago and see what our schools have. And don't have an struggle with the educator. The paraprofessional as at school clark's clinicians detect coordinators. That are trying to make that happen here in chicago. We fought for nursing every school. We have fought for air conditioning. School we only have four schools on the west side of chicago that has school libraries. It's not just the context of opening schools reopening schools safely with the resources that are necessary to keep people say so stacey the chicago teachers union and the chicago public schools have reached an agreement last week to reopen elementary and middle schools amidst the pandemic by early march students who have been learning remotely for ten months. We'll be back in the classrooms. What is keyed understand about this agreement and the tense negotiations that took place between the union. The school district and mayor lightfoot and where did parents and teachers parents and students come down in the negotiation. One of the things that i would like to dispel is that there is a separation of parents and teachers. I myself am at high school history teacher with three children in the chicago public schools as do many of our as are many of our colleagues in chicago public schools so to erect this false narrative that parents and teachers aren't aquacise when we are actually. The same person is absolutely ridiculous. That's one number two. This was a discussion about the inequities of the pandemic. If we're looking at chicago right now and we're looking at The communities in zip calls because kinda was still so very segregated that were ravaged under Kobe nineteen and we look at the distribution of vaccines in chicago. As an same communities we see an equity on we look at the chicago public schools. And this and how our schools are finding in the city. We see that we see that same in equity so the struggle to get the agreement is based on generations of neglect and defunding and deprioritization again. Why would i trust. You have my bag in a pandemic when i was unable to trust you to have my bad in non endemic times. This boils down to a legacy of distrust because we've been deprioritize again. Chicago public schools under mayor oral control close fifty schools that educated black children again in a pandemic that is killing black people three times more than white people. Why would you have infrastructure of trust there. You have to rebuild the trust and the confidence of the individuals who will be attending these are attending. The school community is going inside these buildings as well as showing where the resources have been implemented and also maintaining the implementation of those resources wearing a pandemic. I don't think it's a big. I don't think it's unreasonable. For people to have an expectation that she pool together in the same direction and that she fronts. Safety as the uniting factor. I want to read a quote from chicago. Mayor lori lightfoot who was recently interviewed by the new york times she said quote. I understand that the notion that we would lock teachers out was disturbing to all it should be but it should also be disturbing when teachers say. I don't care what you say. I don't care what you do. I'm not going to abide by the contractor of the rules that have been set for my place of employment Lightfoot said that's chaos. Stacy davis gates if you could respond. I don't think there is a response to that For the life of me. I do not know why any politician way harbor. Ill will provoke fights with teachers with pair professionals in school. Clark's tech coordinators social workers counselors librarians. I don't understand that. Furthermore the members of the chicago teachers union and coalition with parents and students across the city have struggled together. They struggled together to get an elected school board. They struggled together to get cops to schools. They've struggled together to get nurses and social workers inside a schools She bring the issue of housing insecurity to the forefront and fight for housing for students who do not have permanent housing so this concept that we're not partners is simply another misleading action statement from the mayor of the city. And if you can talk about the importance of organizing and striking Right now in this period during the pandemic the most effective you uc to keep the school safe and to bring everyone back together. Well the most effective way is going to have to be with democracy so number one chicago is needed An elected school board for very long time. Our mayor ran under that. She has so far yet to deliver. Democracy on provides a very important set of checks and balances were stakeholders across the board. Have william under which interact. That's number one number two. You have to have a labor union that is committed to the common good struggle and we as educators provide a common good therefore we should be at the four pushing for all of the things that our entity needs as well as the people that we serve. there's no separation humanity humanity basically forces us to provide the type of housing stability the fight for just as in healthcare. The fight for the four resourcing of our of our school communities are our neighborhood communities as well. Look chicago has undergone a seismic shift since two thousand twelve when ardine with parents organizations and with students said that chicago students deserve more than what they have given and right now we are continuing to manifest that type of organization that fight that advocacy where all people who are in. The city gets a win. Not just the select few not just the few who can buy it with the many needed and before you go stacy i wanted to ask you about karen lewis the former president of the chicago teachers union who recently passed away at sixty seven years old. She been battling brain cancer She stepped down from her position at cat. You do two or four years later. This is karen lowest son democracy now in two thousand ten. I don't think anybody will argue with that. That the system is broken. It is it is. It has not basically changed since one thousand nine hundred eighteen hundreds for that matter and and as a result it has never been able to absorb real innovation and the problem is. It's just a lot easier to to to test test test. Children are curriculum has narrowed in chicago if you look at the average day for an elementary school kid. It's reading reading reading reading math. Reading reading reading. Reading kids are bored to tears. They're hating school an early age. There's no joy there's no passion and the results show that so. That's karen lewis in two thousand ten year thoughts on her passing and her significance is former head of the chicago teachers. Union obviously with her passing I know only miss a great leader. I miss a friend who cared for me. A very generously gave me an opportunity to work in this movement and to be powerful in this movement and number two i think significant is that she has shifted the trajectory of the expectations of everyone in the city of chicago nationally. She has triggered Read from the west coast to the east coast to the northern part to the southern part of our country and as a black woman. She walked in her power. She walked through and she defended children. She lifted up my parents out and she gave us an example of how you lead. And coalition how you distribute power and provide a bellwether will for leaders who are committed to social justice. I wanna thank you so much. Stacy davis skates executive chicago teachers. Union and randi weingarten president american federation of teachers next up we go to bessemer alabama or amazon workers voting on whether to become the first unionized amazon warehouse in the country. Stay with us him. I've done my mother sister. Get one the last poletti. Baptize press you on. I'm with documented rago. Would we end up here on solo. Honest so or your known for like two gagged me another way short. The other day whole betty's galindo's kickoff to venus give you look the worst forty gossip knuckle personal suntrust face that most. No miss just ski yolks. Stay out before the doctor on monday said number they we now mccain mickey d's fairly physics was throughout the ex article. Mcginn d's tony freddy bannister. Vanished rapper pablo acelle. Who was arrested in the catalan city of ueda on tuesday for insulting spain's former king and for showing support for the basque separatist group at his arrest sparked massive protests in barcelona and other cities. This is democracy now democracy. Now dot org the quarantine report i mean. He goodman amazon workers in bessemer alabama or continuing to vote on whether to become the first unionized amazon warehouse in the united states. The national labor relations board has mail ballots to nearly six thousand amazon workers. Who will decide whether to join the retail and department store union Voting will continue until march twenty ninth workers demanding stronger covid safety measures in relief from impossibly high productivity standards that leave many unable to take bathroom breaks the intercept reporting amazon's paying a consultant with ties to the coke brothers. Thirty two hundred dollars. A day to thwart the unionisation drive amazon's also requiring workers to attend anti union captive audience meetings one amazon warehouse worker. Joseph jones spoke to democracy now about the meetings with one of the meetings the one of their biggest. They were trying to get us. Outrage about was look at this balance sheet of this union. They spent one hundred and forty thousand dollars on vehicles last year. Can you believe it so raise my hand and in this in this saying no one talks right because they always open up for questions but he's going to speak out to the company unless you don't care so my question was okay so let me understand your position. You want me to be outraged at the fact that this union spin hundred forty thousand dollars on qualify business expenses as it seems that you're showing us but jeff bezos makes one hundred and fifty grand every single minute of every day. But i'm supposed to be outraged. This like yeah yes. Man it's crazy on tuesday amazon's founder and outgoing ceo. Jeff bezos surpassed elon. Musk to become once again. The world's richest person with a wealth of one hundred ninety one billion dollars. Meanwhile new york attorney general letitia. James sued amazon tuesday for failing to adequately protect workers during the pandemic in the lawsuit. James argues quote amazon's extreme prophets and exponential growth rate came at the expense of the lives health and safety of its frontline workers unquote. We go now to best moore alabama where we joined by two guests. Jennifer bates is worker. I'm bessemer warehouse. Who's been part of the union. Drive from the beginning and michael fosters organizer with the are wd s you retail wholesale and department store union. He's also a poultry worker to chicken plant. In alabama upwards of eighty percent of the bessemer workers are black and the majority are women. We welcome you both to democracy now. Jennifer let's begin with you. You work in the plant where so glad. We're able to speak to right now. Talk about why you're organizing. What are the conditions and the plant. Well the reason why we're organized inst- because we need a playing field. Some of the conditions that are in there are been ignored by human resource. Long work hours with only two breaks Long walks upstairs and downstairs. We have plenty elevators india building. But they're only use or merchandise. You can put the merchandise elevators but we have to turn around. Send it upstairs and go to the back hall. It's like a wholesale and take the stairs up to lower that we're taking it to health issues. another thing is with the kobe. Nineteen they told us that they were advisors of those who have it on Near them so they haven't done well with that so as a excessive working working working working out you have intense workout for nine hours but you only get two hour breaks within ten hours spain. So wanna be heard. We'll be treated like people are not ignored when we have issues. People are getting fire without having their opportunity to speak their side. So can you explain what amazon is doing about this effort. The unionizing effort. You're in the midst of the vote. and it goes on for several weeks if in fact the amazon workforce votes for the union. It'll be the first time in amazon. Warehouse has been unionized in the entire country. Yes some of the things that they're doing is having a long The classroom teaching a seminar. That's what i call her Would be slash shows. Talk about why we should have a union and the let anyone come in between our relationship. They could flyers on the back walls of the bathroom stalls where we used to have updated. You know things that are going on in the company so now it's been replaced with things of why we shouldn't both for the union and the come to our workstations where we're working at speaking to us about the reasons why you're going to be called an outside if you don't vote years of telling us that the union is going to their their fees in what they do with their money is go on vacations in buy nice cars. So they're they're coming to us. Even some of the younger people are. They're they're they're prey. They're afraid now were you because they realized that we needed it but now because of the meeting that they were they were putting. They're afraid they're gonna lose their up insurance or some of the leadership are walking around telling people if you both the union amazon was shut down so there won't be any jobs here. I wanted to bring michael foster into this conversation. You work at a nearby poultry plant that. You're a union organizer with our wd. Su both you As well as jennifer are part of this drive to unionize amazon's warehouse. You've called it. A david versus goliath struggle. Explain were were just like the story that we all know amazon is amazon has kind of one of the biggest industries in our world. Right now amazon is a very powerful business of one of the most profit of business. It is in the united states right now. So amazon has a lot of thoughts on right. Now we as the union Trying to take on amazon a right-to-work state of gives you the perfect image of david and goliath. Now we heard something about a traffic light right by the warehouse. That amazon asked the city to change Because when people stopped at the red light there were union organizers out there urging the workers going into the plant to vote yes on the union. Can you talk about this michael. Just my i'm personally one of the guys that Be down on the block in speaking with amazon workers as they go in and out of this particular traffic light in awe. We had the Privilege to be able to talk to them because of the traffic light of stop something we have opportunity to talk to them but right now as soon as they get the urge to roll down they wanna. Their light turned green We cannot even say to worse to each other so That stopped a lot of our conversation and engaging with the amazon employees so in the lead we talked about amazon paying a consultant with ties to the cope brothers. Something like thirty two hundred dollars a day to thwart the unionization drive the consultants. Russell brown is the president of the coq back center for independent employees and head of our wp labor which claims it helps companies maintain a union free workplace your thoughts on this What amazon using this tactic that they're using With is a guy a combination making all three thousand two hundred dollars a day to me is just one of the most horrible things i've heard of To me if amazon was concerned about a people and they people have showed the Show that they won't not unionized and have a voice to speak out. Amazon chaired anything about employees. They will not come up against them with this type of tactic This tactic is being processed and people minds. it's been hammered into people's minds. I have people call me asking me to do something because they do not want to go to these meetings. These meetings of mandatory there hammer alienate mind of changing a thousands of plane. Mind if you ask me. And that's something that amazon striving to do i think is their intentions is to provide a fear into the minds so they will not join a union so they would not have a voice and allow amazon the continue to be what they're doing right now. The issue of amazon flooding the warehouse with new workers to expand the number in the bargaining union. Can you talk about the challenge of this alm and it was. It was a big shelly We had already submitted of The vote the issue. Because if you look on the website amazon said they built a new facility in bessemer fulfilled team hundred workflows so has had one on a hiring spree that is unheard of in the united states to dictate the percentage of the numbers. We had to have because we have to have thirty percent of the total number in order to submit to be able to have a vote in amazon. Done this and we have submitted this we. We don't a had a day or two time go back out and try to get more cards. You know we. We don't know what specific number. We needed all newest. Go out and get more people to be able to sign authorization cards and with the blessing of god and just working hard important He allowed us to achieve that goal on earth jennifer bates. It is fascinating that this unionizing effort that could be. The first unionized warehouse of amazon in the country is happening in what's known as the anti union south that's majority black workforce in majority black town. Most of the workers are women. The significance of this. Well i really didn't think that it would be significant started out. We were nervous at first but understand. Now how it would change history It will be a big impact because it looks like amazon is choosing a lot of low income communities and i think because of that is bringing a lot of light in. This will be one of the first amazon facilities that were member or and it's black history and can you talk about the schedule of the vote. How long do people have to vote. It began last week. The voting have until march twenty ninth to get all the on march. Twenty ninth to get the ballots in my foster. Can you talk about why you see. The union organizing. Here is a racial justice issue. I'm looking at a piece in wired that talks about the history of your union. Are wd dsu. The union having black leadership since its founding in the thirty s a time when some unions excluded black workers its members organized alongside martin luther king junior during the nineteen sixty three march on washington in one thousand nine hundred sixty eight. The union became the first to secure a contract. Designating king's birthday eight paid holiday. Yes ma'am yes ma'am. That's something that. I'm a proud of that This is a mostly Black or union right here in a best amazon is mostly black and the city of best is is more is percentage of black in. I think that If you look off the city of bessemer is one of the poorest cities in alabama Bessemer An and i believe amazon knows this because they have the initiative to say that we're paying fifteen dollars an hour above minimum wage. And you should be happy about that like you know. Because they're offering a look bit more money than some of the places around here they feel like that gives them the means to continue to keep the press on. The african americans are of we. We have a saying that we find our people should have a living wage. Not a minimum wage. Because you're just tired of just paying their bills and Just barely making it to the next week when you're working at a facility that's owned by the richest man in the world of you working facility in the last. Three months have accumulated Ninety something billion dollars and none of the employee's received anything for this I like to tell the employees. All the time to amazon is just a building. You guys are amazon without you guys there. Debtors dares amazon and i Body on coming in a city light this they feel like they can take advantage of the of these people because they take advantage of their The the means of having money they living means and amazon is not here to help the are. Wd s you. We are here to not only bryant a better environment to the amazon workers but today two minutes he as well We want to get out into the community as well help to people and amazon. Earn a better way so they can help. Some family members that they have also finally jennifer bates. Your message to the richest man in the world to the ceo of amazon's jeff bezos or. I don't have a message to suit him. But because i think i know that he knows very well was on He's made billions off the backs of low income fetal. Though he he already knows. And i heard on a video that he spoke that we don't. We don't need anyone to come between us and we already send us a message that we're already giving you a good benefits and we're already giving you a competitive waves though. It doesn't look like he wants to move I have a stance on the working conditions so Or years and i am just finding out last week that there are other amazon. Who's been complaining as well. So i think he bear will knows what's going on in he doesn't wanna move to change. But this this plant open at the beginning of the pandemic and march this jennifer beta. Thank you for being with us worker. Amazon's be h m one fulfillment center in bessemer and michael foster poultry plant worker and member organizer of or wd dso. Both jennifer and michael are part of the drive to unionize amazon's warehouse in bessemer alabama. When we come back we speak to sarah jaffe. Her new book work won't love you back. Stay with us. What's mine is yours is by sleater kinney here on democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I mean he goodman as congress debates whether to raise the federal minimum wage to fifteen dollars an hour fast food workers and fifteen cities held a black history month strike tuesday as part of the fight for fifteen campaign temp aside the quote crisis among black communities face generations of low pay and insufficient protections on the job. These are some of their voices are low of. We're getting minimum wages. Snafu refinanced today for fifteen hour a member of mcdonalds a member of copying this organization for six years my keys. I'm a baby greatest keys. I can't take this. No i didn't have a break. I came in on my day. All tell me how much the highest check. I ever was lily to take more our now only for me but for everybody around sixteen years old working fast food. Just like the puck today. I didn't understand what was going on. So i learned to put an armor on us. Continue to small and be finally when my customer. mit on the same armor. That i wear but this armor gets heavy real happy when you pay your bills that last voice taco bell worker erica hunted fate for fifteen protests in wisconsin tuesday for more on fast food workers. Teachers nurses give workers Many others organizing to improve conditions. Were joined by sarah. Jaffe longtime labor economic justice reporter. Who writes about all of this and her new book work won't love you back. How devotion to our jobs keeps us exploited exhausted and alone her feature in the new issue of the nation magazine headline first nurses saved our lives. Now they're saving our healthcare. Sarah are following our first discussion about the teachers unions fighting for safe workplaces for kids to return to the country to their schools. And then we talked about this. First time Union vote organizing effort in bessemer at an amazon warehouse. Your thoughts on jobs right now. I think pretty much. Everyone's job has gotten a lot worse in the last year. Right whether you're like me and suddenly you're trapped in this tiny little box here that pretty much for ten hours a day every day or you're like those fast food workers are amazon workers. Were just talking to who have to go into a workplace knowing that that workplaces just gotten a lot more dangerous. I think we're all realizing how much worse things can get. And it's making some of those workers more willing to stand up and speak out when it's not just that it's a bad grinding. Slow miserable job but it's also a bad grinding. Slow miserable job. That could kill you. Now you talk about the irony of the term amazon fulfillment centers Yeah it's so interesting right. Because now we're all expected. Like i write about in this book to find fulfillment from our jobs but actually when it comes down to it. We don't work because we're bored and just need something to do with our day. We work like that last worker. Who was just speaking was saying because we have bills to pay and when that work isn't covering the the you know the expenses that people have to feed their families. It's a really big disconnect that we're still expected to show up and what that last fast food worker were saying about putting on the armor. Every day was so striking right. Because like you do. I remember from my time working in the service industry sir of have to go in and push all your feelings down and put on that smile. You write in your book. Once upon a time it was assumed to put it bluntly that works sucked. What changed describe the evolution of the labor of love. myth. Yeah so i. I treat this in the book through the history of sort of women's unpaid work in the home and also the creative work of the artists. Both of which are sort of always assumed to not be working at all and as the decline of industrial labor through outsourcing through automation through changes in the shape of capitalism. What we got instead was much more work like the people that we've just been talking about like those amazon workers like those fast food workers like the nurses and other healthcare workers that i wrote about in that nation piece. You mentioned on whose job is to provide the services that keep us all going. We're doing that so called essential. Work that we've heard so much about since the and that is work that often requires you to show up and put on that smile that requires you to if not actually enjoy it at least sort of pretend and project the image that you're enjoying it in order to go to work and so that it's literally change in just like the shape of the economy and what jobs people are doing. But then that also spreads into things like the amazon fulfillment center where if the narrative we hear over and over again is that we go to work in order to find fulfillment than even the amazon billboard that i saw the other day off of the new jersey turnpike that says get a job. Delivering smiles is like well. The the conditions that that worker was just describing in the warehouse in alabama. Don't sound terribly fulfilling. And they don't they make me smile so how about teachers now being asked to risk their lives to go back to school and then of course you have nurses doing the same thing risking their lives every day and they're not only fading fighting to save their patients but now the healthcare system changing. Yeah yeah i mean teachers are. I rated the book. The ultimate labors love and we've had decades maybe centuries of expecting them to make up for all of the gaps in the social safety net. Just by loving the kids that they teach more and more and more and so we're seeing right now sort of the real return of this demonizing teachers. Rhetoric and yet another way because teachers are not willing to march back into in many cases overcrowded underfunded schools. That haven't had repairs in philadelphia. They were talking about like you. Don't strapping a box. Fan to a window to create ventilation so that the virus supposedly wouldn't spread in these school buildings that are overcrowded in los angeles. I think the last time we spoke was when i was in. La for the teachers strike there and they were fighting to get class sizes down from forty five students in a room. That is supposed to house twenty and you can't socially distant you can't socially distance with twenty five kids in a room let alone when you packed forty of them in a room that is supposed to have twenty five so the the very things that teachers have been demanding that would have made the schools more safe to reopen the first place there now getting blamed for not being able to solve that problem and it's just as ongoing expectation that teachers can somehow with. They're just pure motivation in love and care overcome all of these obstacles that we have put as a society in their way and nurses. Let's end there since it's also what your nation piece on. Yeah absolutely nurses who have been fighting since the beginning of the pandemic just to get enough masks and gowns to keep them safe while they're trying to save lives and in between you know they've been. The nurses unions like national nurses united like new york. State association have been the loudest voices in this country saying for again for decades that we need a real national healthcare system that would actually prioritize public health because this pandemic has taught us that we are only as well as the last person to get vaccinated as the last person to get healthcare. We want to thank you. Sarah jaffe for being with us longtime labor and economic justice reporter. Her new book work won't love you. Back how devotion to our jobs keeps us exploited exhausted and alone. That does it for our show. Happy birthday to kneel shibata democracy now is produced with rene felts mike burke dean augusta raining shaef maria cena carla wills timing doctoring and endure. 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Feb. 21  Dr. Fauci, Randi Weingarten & Will Hurd

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Feb. 21 Dr. Fauci, Randi Weingarten & Will Hurd

"This sunday covert fallout vaccination frustration refresh refresh. And then you have to go back through the form again and again. Those new variants continued spread variance. More chances could jeopardize migrants and getting kids back to school. You think to say that you're not gonna open up screws into every single one of the teachers get vaccinated. I guess this morning. Dr anthony thou- and teachers union president randi weingarten also the trouble in texas. We need how pop. Wow on the pike screen blackouts water shortage freezing temperature and the hot debate over how everything went so wrong to state. Prepare for the worst case scenario. Now we're paying the price. Plus the republican civil war days after mitch mcconnell's broadside against donald trump. President trump is practically and morally responsible for the the former president strikes. Back with a little help from his friend. Travelers the most consequential republican party it. Mitch mcconnell understand that. He's i'll talk to former texas. Congressman will heard about the rift and his party and on the catastrophe in texas joining me for insight and analysis are nbc news. Chief white house correspondent kristen. Welker democratic pollster cornell belcher susan page washington bureau chief of usa today and former republican governor of north carolina pat mccrory. Welcome to sunday. It's meet the press from news in washington the longest running show in television history. This is meet the press with chuck. Todd well a good morning. We are covering three big stories today. The deep freeze and power failure in texas where millions or still in a boil water situation and the fallout over. How the state's hands off. Governance failed to prevent what appears to have been a preventable catastrophe. Then there's the civil war inside. The gop between the trump and establishment wings the most prominent example the growing feud between former president trump and the republican senate leader mitch mcconnell. But we're going to begin with the covid nineteen pandemic sometime likely today the. Us death toll will hit five hundred thousand. It's a number that far exceeds many early estimates and reminds us. Just how heavy toll this viruses on this nation the brutal winter weather across the country. This week has delayed. The delivery of some six million vaccine doses. But the good news is this confirmed. Cases are continuing to fall and it is that which is increasing pressure on governments to now reopen schools and get kids back into the classroom so all those issues on the table joining me. Now is dr anthony. Fauci is of course the director of the national institute for allergy and infectious disease. Dr fauci welcome back to meet the press. Before i get into some of the six. I just want to give you a chance to take a step back half a death. Toll of half a million. We're basically at the one year mark of this pandemic and you think about it and compare it to what this nation faced in one thousand nine hundred and we have modern medicine today. Just how deadly in the big picture has this pandemic been in this country. It's stunning Chuck horrible. I mean if you look at what's what's has gone on now and we're still not out of it. A half a million deaths It's just it's terrible. It is historic. We haven't seen anything even close to this for well over a hundred years since one thousand nine hundred nineteen pandemic of influenza. It's something that is stunning. When you look at the numbers almost unbelievable but is true. it. This is a devastating. Pandemic endemic and it's historic people will be talking about this decades and decades and decades from now you know. I think there's no doubt about that. All right let me get into some nitty gritties we How how much of a setback did we take this week with the winter weather and vaccine distribution and how. How long will it take for us to catch up. Well first of all. Obviously it is a setback. Because you'd like to st the steady flow vaccine getting out there to get into people's arms but we can play pretty good catch up. We're already down now. We've gotten two million out so it's now four you that the number was six million doses got delayed. We've gotten two million out and we project that by the middle of the week will we will have caught up so it's unfortunate that it was a setback but chuck. It's a temporary setback. When you just you know put your foot to the accelerator and really push will get it up to where we need to be by the middle of the week. All right there's I've had conversations about the the first dose versus the second dose a couple of times. Now we've gotten another study out of pfizer to do hearing more about the iot particularly for folks that have had covert any of these new studies giving you any sense of of of where we would change our vaccine distribution schedule. Make it where we're twelve weeks for everybody or six weeks for everybody. What of these studies is giving you any sense of of whether we should change these protocols. Well check. I think the people need to appreciate. The view is really two very different scenario. You just painted one is if you've been infected and you get vaccinated after that would about one dose the other is if you've not been infected and you get one dose of pfizer. Can you get away with one. Dose of prolong the second dose. And i would still maintain that there are enough unknowns in that particularly the durability of the protection we know from studies that we did that antedated and lead up to the very very impressive results. With the ninety four to ninety five percent efficacy with both moderna. And fis that when you give a boost you increase the power or the level of of the antibodies by at least ten fold. So you're talking about a very very big increase. We don't know what the durability of a single dose is and it really is risky risky for lack of protection and risky to engender perhaps some variants with regards to following infection. That's a different story because the data look really quite impressive that if you've been infected and then you get a single dose the boost that you get with that single dose is really enormous so we're looking very carefully about that and that is one thing that you might wanna consider but we wanna really carefully look at the data i but those are two different scenarios. You don't want to confuse them. And i was just gonna say so. Let's say you you see this science and you feel good about this about if you've had covert one one dose may be enough. I'm just curious logistically. What would that mean you would you have. Somebody would have to come in and show proof. They've had cova. Is that something or they would be. Tested there for antibodies. It i feel like. That's the one gap here that that would complicate it just logistically. Well that's the reason why held back Chuck and saying yes. Let's recommend that you really gotta look at the science. Look at the data and figuring out. What's the best way the obvious one that you think of is the documentation that if you do an antibody test and it's very clear that this person has been infected that then you could be reasonably comfortable that you're dealing with someone who is post infection but i would reserve any kind of decisions about that until we very carefully looked at the data But it but it is really quite suggested. The data were really impressive So this is something you think could could be something that in four six eight weeks something like that. We could change protocol. Well you know again. I don't want to get ahead of the decision making process on tv. But i think it's quite reasonable from the data that we've seen that you wanna take a good look at it because the data are impressive. I i wanna ask you about pregnant women. Because i've had a lot of viewers. Ask me to ask you about this. Because there's some confusion we know pfizer's studying it. I've talked to other experts. Who said hey you know. A pregnant women should get vaccinated. They shouldn't fear this vaccine. What what say you know. The the issue is that pregnant women. We have not informally tested in a trial for safety and efficacy. That is being done now. We will get an answer for it. However following the eu way from both moderna and pfizer thousands of women have elected to get vaccinated. Despite the fact that they're pregnant many of them were actually health care providers who felt that the risk of covid on their pregnancy was fog greater than the risk of the vaccine giving a deleterious effect and as a matter of fact right now we don't see any red flags signals among those thousands of people who have gotten vaccinated while pregnant. Let me move to schools. Based on the cdc guidelines what level of risk is an unvaccinated teacher taking Now by going in a reopen school. You know chuck you cannot give a numerical figure to that. You can't say what is what is the risk. Give me a number. I mean obviously being in school is very similar to being in the community so the risk of a of a teacher getting infected in the school is very likely very much similar to what you would see in the community. But we don't know that yet you see. They haven't done those kind of prospect of studies where you can quantitative and make a decision based on this number is here and that number is there because the data get fuzzy when you try to compare what happens when you're not in the school versus when you are in the school. Well you understand why. There's just this. It is caused consternation right the scientists say. Hey look it is relatively safe. Obviously at teachers sits there and says yeah. But i'm still taking risk And i know you don't wanna wait into the politics of this but this is where would you feel comfortable going into a classroom and teaching. I feel comfortable. you know. it's tough because i've not been in that situation. I could tell you. I have a daughter who i adore. Who's actually doing just that right now as we speak in a city far from washington. Dc so i mean i understand the concern that people have and that's the reason why we say you know when you ask a question that specific question it it's appropriate and it's understandable but there are so many complicated issues how the teachers feel how the parents feel about the possibility of bringing infection back home. There are so many things there that you need to consider that thing that we say and chuck. I've been saying this for months and months even anti dating. The cdc guidelines is that the default position is that we should try to do everything we can to get the children back to school safely for the children and safely for the teachers and other educational personnel. And the cdc guidelines. Try to delineate the steps where you can do just that. How do we get them back to school in a safe way and giving a couple of the guidelines more than a couple several of the guidelines of how you can do that and it's not an easy. It's not an easy issue. Chuck anybody that says it's easy decision to make. They're not looking at the complexity of it. Yeah human beings are involved at the end of the day. I want to leave on a on an upbeat note here. We've had cases come down dramatically and this is after what some people feared might be a holiday spike or a super bowl spike. We're not getting that one. Johns hopkins scientists argued in the wall street journal. This means herd. Immunity is coming even faster than perhaps folks thought. What say you to that yeah. I'm not so sure that this is herd immunity that we're talking about. We had a big peak and was starting to come down certainly the number of people that have been infected a contributing to that also some contribution with vaccines not a lot. I don't think we vaccinated enough people yet to get the herd immunity. I think you're seeing the natural peaking and coming down the one common. I wanna make about that chuck for for the viewers and the list. Is that the slope. That's coming down is really terrific. It's very steep and it's coming down very very quickly but we still a level. That's very high. What i don't and none of my colleagues want to see is when you look at that slope to come down to say. Wow we're out of the woods now. We're in good shape. We're not because the baseline of daily infections is still very very high. It's not that three hundred to four hundred thousand that we had some time ago but we want to get that baseline really really really low before we start thinking that we're out of the woods so keep wearing your masks everybody at a minimum. Anyway dr fauci anyway. I i won't let we will scream it as much as we can anyway as always sir. Thank you for coming on and sharing your expertise. Thank you for having me and joining me. Now is the president of the american federation of teachers. It's one of the nation's largest teachers unions randi weingarten Ms weingarten welcome back to meet the press. Randy chuck Okay thank you got it ready. I want to start with where. I think. Many many folks are framing this argument. And you may think it's. It's unfair. But i wanna put this up. This is from the nation. The coronavirus will be with us in one form or another forever. Zero-tolerance made sense in the first year of the pandemic just as it made some sense in the early nineties to fight crime but zero tolerance cannot be a viable long term strategy when it comes to reopening schools and other vital public institutions. and also. Let me let me let you listen to governor gavin newsom because they kind of is making the same point and then. I want to get you to respond. Here's what he said you find whatever you look for so we wanna find reasons not to open. We'll find plenty of reasons if we want to start building on ways to strategize to find ways of getting to where we all want to go. We'll figure that out as well i think. In both instances the question is this randy. What is reasonable risk. How do you define it right. And so look. I so i thank you for letting me be on today chuck because i do actually wanted to bunk this myth. That teacher unions at least are union. doesn't want to reopen schools. We teachers know that in person education is really important. And it's you. We would have said that pre pandemic we knew that remote education is not a good substitute There's a roadmap now. And so you actually can follow that road map in terms of defining those risks and i think between the cdc guidance as well as the resources that President biden is trying to get in the one point nine trillion dollar package We have the highway or the roadmap that allows us to to do this and it comes down to three things. The mitigation the laird mitigation strategies the testing so that you can actually see a symptomatic spread and vaccine prioritization not that every single teacher has to be vaccinated before you open any schools but you should align the vaccine prioritization with the reopening of schools. Is there a model school district right now that you feel as if you could say. Hey this is. This is the way that this can be done. And it'll keep an everybody will be reasonably happy. Yes there's a i mean. There's no perfect solution. But frankly i think that new york city has done a pretty good job in terms of showing the way big school district. Lots of issues in terms of of Old buildings and we learned a lot from what new york city did in september and october. And in fact my members. I just did a survey of my membership and eighty five percent have said that they would be comfortable being in school if they had the kind of testing layered mitigation. Like you know an and vaccine prioritization. And that's what new york city is doing. So i i want to actually lift up. People like washington dc. The mayor actually made sure that every teacher in school employees that one of the vaccine got vaccinated in the last few weeks. Same in terms. Of the oregon. Governor save in terms of the west. Virginia governor. Same in terms of the ohio governor. And so the when. I hear Politicians when i hear governor newsom saying you're always going to find a way out. Well why is he not actually prioritizing the teachers in la where they've been in purple purple zone not in red zone so so. We're i think the issue is if the nfl could figure out how to do this in terms of Testing and the protocols if schools are that important. Let's do it and my members run it. They just want to be safe. You have outlined. You've you've said you're not saying everybody has to be vaccinated before you go back. There are mitigation strategies but many of the local unions have made demands even more stringent than that. Do you still support those local unions to do that. You've had you know he counts is saying they wouldn't recommend teachers going back to school until all kids vaccinated is that some people look at that and say. Hey they're moving. The goalposts look You know what you're seeing. I let me just also say again. Teacher unions are not monolithic. And you know we have two great unions and the nea is a fabulous union. Becky pringle is a fabulous new president But what you're hearing when you hear that is that people are scared and i think that what we need to do is we have to Meet fear with facts. Which is what we're trying to do. So we've had dr fauci for example onto town halls. we've had A vaccine townhall with Experts about that and so just like we are meeting vaccine hesitancy with facts and the evidence and the data. we need to do the same in terms of educators. What we've learned in our polling also went in our experience is that when people are actually in school with the protocols in place they trust more and then you just have to educate people in terms of this way seventy one percent of our members are fearful that they'll bring covert home. Look we've had five hundred thousand deaths and and and we've had such grim realities here but the teachers of this country understand in person. Education is really important and so ultimately. Let's do the kind of strategies we need and and and and the cdc. I you know i. I watched the director on your show last week. There obvious what they are. Now we have to just get them implemented bottom line though without full. Vaccinations is this semester. Is this school year. Probably not going to have full school openings. Well so let me. I'm glad you asked that question chop because what does four school opening. Mean if you have if you do six feet a physical distancing you're essentially saying school you're gonna have you're gonna have about fifty percent or sixty percent of people in there at any one time. Not one hundred percent so the issue really becomes. Do we have thirty percent more space. Do we have thirty percent more teachers. What i think we need to do is we need to actually try to get as much in person as possible right now. Have the mitigation strategies. Have summer have a real great summer semester to get kids mojo back in a voluntary way and then really be planning for next year. Randi weingarten president of the american federation of teachers. Really appreciate you coming on and sharing your perspective. Thank you thank you all right and be sure to check out our interactive state by state guide to figure out win wear to receive your covert vaccine. Visit plan your vaccine dot com to learn more when we come back to troubles in texas and in the republican party. There welcome back. President biden has approved a disaster declaration for texas with power crisis is now turned into largely a water crisis. That's impacting millions. Many are without water while others are being told to boil it before drinking. Morgan chessy joins us now from dallas. And morgan i guess the good news is the power is on. But there's too bad things water and high power bills chuck. You're absolutely right and hard to believe. It was around this time one week ago that this weather system moved into texas plunging the state into a deep freeze that his crippled it on multiple fronts. Check fourteen million texans about half. The population of the entire state cannot trust their water supply because of water lines and pipes that froze then burst during these record lows just a few days ago. It hit negative to here in dallas. And that's that's what's led to heartbreaking scenes like this all across the state people lining up for hours trying to get a little water a little food to make it over the next few days. Texas governor greg. Abbott has called for an investigation into urquhot. That's the agency that governs the state power grid is ascribed them over this ordeal as anything but reliable and that group also now facing a lawsuit from the family of a ten year old boy who died from suspected hypothermia. One of nearly a dozen fatal cases near houston and another crisis playing out that you mentioned chuck and that of sky high energy bills that customers are reporting who were signed up for variable rate energy plants. Having bills that were less than one hundred dollars. That are now hitting nearly ten thousand dollars governor. Greg greg abbott calling for an emergency meeting yesterday assuring everyone that he and his team should hopefully find a solution to that issue. Sooner than later. morgan. I have a feeling that is going to be something That people are going to be chirpin about even more as these bills rolled in oregon chelsea on the ground. I in texas morgan. Well the mess in texas caused by lax government oversight just the latest chapter what's been brutal time for the gop. Consider over the past. Four years party has lost the house. The senate and the white house. The split between trump and establishment links growing highlighted by former president trump calling senate republican leader. Mitch mcconnell dowers sullen and unsmiling political hack state and local republican parties essentially ten senate and house members Republicans who voted against mr trump over the impeachment issue. All that said it is worth remembering that. The republican party has survived to read many of its obituaries in the past. So join me now. From san antonio is the former republican congressman from that area will heard well. It's good to see you. thanks for coming on. I let me just ask you about how you and your loved ones are doing. You have running water and you have power i do. I've been fortunate. I'm i'm one of those millions of folks that are having to boil my water. You know chuck. It's wild today coming to the to the show. I didn't have to wear a jacket. But even though the temperatures are getting warmer a lot of texans are still going to be impacted over the next weeks and months the broken power. The broken water lines is really significant. that's causing low water pressure. This may not get resolved for months. So if there's anybody's watching that you're a plumber. And you have some extra clues. Please send them towards towards texas. It's being serious because this is going to be a large impact. I'm over the next couple of weeks. And i know people that have been without water for now four or five days. This is not something that's sustainable. And then you have cities and counties that are already dealing with trying to do covert and now they have to deal with this. So this is. This is a pretty significant problem. And even though it's getting warmer This these problems are not going away fair to say that. This was preventable catastrophe that this is on the texas government. One hundred percent this was this was preventable. This wasn't a problem with any individual fuel source. This was a problem of lack of leadership and lack of long-term planning in twenty eleven. There were hearings in the state house talking about ensuring that there was reliability urquhot and state leaders at the time said that the these come the the energy companies could self regulate and make sure that happens. We can't have cheap prices and reliable energy at the same time. And you know we always talk about. This was a black swan event. This was an event that doesn't happen often. The only thing. I've learned in my time in government and the cia is the only thing about black swans black swans actually happen and we need to be prepared and one of the things about the ninth largest economy economy being brought to its knees in the because of this. Our enemies are looking at this. And they're they're looking at how that the grid was able to fail and they could potentially use this and have a cyber attack to do this kind of thing. So so that's a conversation. We should be happening. Should be happening once we get out of this to make sure. Our power is reliable in that every american has has access to reliable and cheap energy. Is this a black eye on the republican party. Philosophy of of lower galatian and small government. This was this was a black guy for not planning for this eventuality and and this has been going on for years. The deregulation in texas happened almost twenty years ago and so people have talked about this particular situation that we should have been prepared for so again this is not about. Do we need to go. The exact opposite way. I think the conversations instead of using this as a political bludgeon against one another. We should be talking about the serious issues about reliability about how the texas grid increases at its connections with the other grids around us. I'm how do you make sure that it has the tools and the power and another conversation. You alluded to in your previous Chat with the reporter these high energy bills. You don't take your you. Don't take the steps to provide reliable power and then you're going to give somebody a bill and the tens of thousands of dollars. That's absolutely outrageous. And i know that that the state house. We'll be looking into this when they come into into session. I don't think. I don't think anybody's going allow something that crazy and outrageous to stand. Look when you think about this issue and you think about the place you want to have in the future of the republican party. I mean it does seem as if do you think that the messaging of constantly be rating government constantly saying government is the problem. Government doesn't work. Does it become self fulfilling in a place like texas and is that a part of the bigger messaging problem well look. I don't disagree with your premise. The out the the reality. The reality is the republican party should be based on our core values. Right if we're going to be a party. That's viewed as representing nuts and comp- conspiracy theories conspiracy theorist we're going to ultimately have a problem and so it's not about no government. It's about reasonable and sensible government if we can reduce the size of the scope and fellow government of the government and still provide great digital services. Right we we should be able to do that. And so so yes. There is a role for government to play in all of these issues. But let's figure out. And the compensation should be. What is that role and it could be based on in lowering. Most americans have as much freedom as they possibly can because when you have freedom that allows opportunity when you have opportunity that leads to growth and growth leads the progress what role should former president trump have in the future of the republican party. Or should he not have a role. I think very little little if none at all You know this is a president that lost the house. The senate the white house in four years. I think the last person to do that was was herbert hoover and that was in the great depression. And when you look at in the twenty twenty election the number of republicans that were successful significantly outperformed a president trump and so the opportunity that we have is that we should be talking to disaffected democrats. The fact that speaker pelosi didn't pick up any seats. You know is an indication that the democratic party has some real problems and chuck even following politics longer than i have. You know history tells us that we're gonna take back the house and so how we do that and we should do it based on our principles. We should do that by talking to those folks. Don't believe in defunding. The police don't believe in open borders. We have an opportunity. But we can't do that if we're talking about you know a the lies of a of an election that went wrong or succumbing to conspiracy. Theories former congressman will heard republican. Who by the way you left congress on your own volition anyway. Thank you for coming on and sharing your perspective with us this morning. Thank you saw and if you want to help the folks in texas here are just some of the organizations. Doing good work for people there. Obviously you heard We'll herds ask for plumbers as well for what it's worth which you can find this list on. Meet the press twitter account and on our facebook page when we come back. Can the republican party survive as the party of trump. Is that what it wants to be. You heard one point of view. Just now painless. Welcome back the panel is with us. Nbc news chief. White house correspondent kristen. Welker democratic pollster cornell belcher. Susan page the washington bureau chief of usa today and former republican governor of north carolina. Pat mccrory. susan. You came with you. Came with the materials. Okay with some show intel usa today with some brand new polling numbers among trump supporters. And i want to throw up a couple of in their first of all what happened on january six among trump's supporters a large majority believed. It was in. Antigua inspired attack not trump supporters. Who were the attack and then you ask about a third party. If donald trump formed a third party among trump voters Basically just about half forty six percent would support that trump party about a quarter still support the gop in a quarter. A little more than a quarter would be undecided. Susan that poll says donald trump has a pretty iron grip on that party. Right now And hurt of course. That's probably the chagrin of mr hurt. Yes and and to be clear antifa. There's no evidence at antifa was behind the january six attack on the capital. Not even president. Trump is arguing that we find in this pull that by two by almost two to one republicans who would leave for a third party would go with the trump party over the republican party but there is no need for donald trump to do that because he already owns this party We've seen that. Even though it was donald trump who as will hurt said presided over the loss of control of the white house the house and the senate republicans who have won their elections who are in the greater peril. Just just one warrant number We found very little Patients for republicans officials who want to challenge trump in any way eight of ten republicans said. They are less likely to vote for republican candidate. If he or she voted for impeachment. Eight of ten said. They doubted that. Republican senators were voting their conscience when they voted to convict him for impeachment. They said they were dealing with their political calculations. Instead you know it's funny you bring up vote of conscience. I want to play for you. What the republican chair of washington county pennsylvania said about pat toomey vote in particular to convict president trump. Take we did not send him their vote his conscience. We did not certain there to the right thing or whatever we serving their way we sent him. There represented us pat mccrory. You've been an elected official. Did you feel as if voters sent you to only represent what they think or. Did you think you were being sent to do your best judgment. I believe we're republic form of government. But you've got to understand that. Were or going through a grieving process right now. Just like the democrats had to go through over four years ago. We're going through some anger. We're going through denial and we're right now on the blame game which is not unusual. Remember hillary clinton and sanders and others going through the blame game. And we're in that blame game right now but we're going to heal. I guarantee it because we're gonna heal around issues That biden and harris and pelosi and schumer implementing right now in immigration. We're putting teachers ahead of our children and ahead of science right now We're putting We're we're getting rid of natural gas in the future. There are issues that are going to unite us. Two years from now in four years from now history tells us that and the fact of the matter is issues trump. Everything cornell is that a fair assessment. That's an interesting. Take their by pat. You accept that that. Hey this is a part of process. The gop is going through and and don't assume that come six more months. They won't be united again. I i wish the governor was right did determine everything but there's an awful lot of evidence data that issues don't in fact indeed determine determine everything and i would i would push back on the radio but this is very much like what republicans like democrats have gone through. I gotta tell you I like bill clinton very much. I was absolutely in love with a brock obama man who i worked for But but none of us would go off as a third party What you're seeing around. Trump is is is dramatically. Different than what you're saying and i gotta tell ya those those numbers in the us poll are are startling. Because to me when you have that many americans Not wanna accept the truth and look. The first casualty of war is the truth. And i think i think our democracy is is in great peril when you had that. Many americans just won't accept the troops of what you're seeing around. Donald trump is very different civil war within the republican party. The civil war's over. I mean donald trump has wanted a mainstream conservatism. Is on his deathbed. I mean and it's not being killed by by liberal. Democrats being killed by donald trump and his tribalism. Kristen welker what do you expect from former president trump next week when he does his first speech is he going to be trying to project himself as not just the leader of the republican party but to actually say why republicans should be in charge or is he going to be settling scores inside the gop. Bit of both chuck based on my conversations. We are expecting the former president to address the impeachment. And so that might be the settling scores piece of the speech. But he's also. I am told going to talk about the future of the republican party. How he sees it how he sees the future of the conservative movement. And just going back to what pat said. I am told that he's going to try to make the case. That now is the time to start laying out. The divides with president biden. He's gonna focus on immigration. Of course president biden is moving to reverse all of the trump immigration policies. And so he's going to really try to focus it around those but does it get mired in score-settling. That's i think the big question moving forward chuck and we know that former president trump is eyeing what he is going to be doing in two thousand and twenty two candidates. He plans to back. And i'm also told he's eyeing returned to social media. What will that look like. He's been banned from a number of brat forms but he's clearly looking to get engaged again. Pat i'm just curious. You heard well heard there. Who's thinking you know what trump shouldn't be a part the future conversation can you can you. Can you build a party without him these days well. I'm not a big fan of income to happen to not win. Reelection have to go walk off into the sunset. I've been there I think they can stay relevant. And i think president trump should stay relevant but i also think other leaders will emerge and we'll go through this process of debating issues debating leadership styles but the fact of the matter is the issues will win out because the democrats will overplay their hand. You know for example where we're open borders and closing schools. It makes no sense. And i think we'll win that argument and i think President trump should be allowed to participate in that argument and will participate in those arguments. All right. I'm going to pause the conversation that when we come back trading places how democratic blue collar workers are now flocking to the republican party. That's nets go back. Data download time and another look at the political realignment underway in this country. Both parties are undergoing massive changes and who their voters are and we see this in the kinds of jobs held by self described democrats and republicans. In fact here's what we found in the nbc news poll in the last decade the percentage of blue collar voters who call themselves. Republicans has grown by twelve points. The number in the group identifying as democrats that is declined. Eight points not a surprise. It's we've been telling you this. Among white collar voters the numbers have actually remain mostly stable. This will surprise. Some folks with republicans seeing a tiny drop and democrats seeing a tiny increase. Some proof that maybe they are renting the suburbs for now in that way. The blue-collar shift for the gop has the potential to reshape the party. In fact take a look at the percentage of white blue collar voters who identifies republicans decade ago. It is jumped a bit by twenty sixteen but in the last four years. In the trump era it jumped ten more points now. We know whites represent the largest share of the republican party voters. But we're seeing the party. Make gain a among blue collar. Workers other racial and ethnic groups to hispanic voters have off from the democratic party In the last ten years. Gop is a thirteen points among that group and something similar is happening among black blue collar. Voters they've moved republican by seven points in the last decade. Numbers are still small Overall of course but considering the struggles republicans have had willing black voters even a little positive movement among blue collar. Voters is welcome news for them. So what we're seeing is this. The two parties are trading places to a certain extent as democrats make gains and traditionally republican suburbs. Republicans are picking off blue collar voters to call themselves. Democrats increasingly the current. Republican party is looking more and more like the democratic party of the mid twentieth century. Think fifties and sixties when we come back. The gop is not the only part of that's divided between factions as president biden is finding out. Stay with us. Welcome back in. What some might say was a revival of some normalcy. Joe biden went and visited with bob dole. Yesterday we learned our earlier. This week that bob dole had stage four lung cancer and in and in some ways just the fact that mr republican being visited now by mr democrat felt very normal in two thousand sixteen environment But kristen welker. I think the big news from the week on the biden administration side was a reminder of how important joe manchin is to the success or failure of the biden agenda. He announces that he can't support the confirmation of near tanned. As the budget director her tweets had been something that had been an issue to a lotta people and he writes. I believe her. Overtly partisan statements will have a toxic and detrimental impact on the important working relationship between members of congress and the next director of the office of management and budget. For this reason. I cannot support her nomination. How upset is the white house scare. And did they not see this coming. I think they thought it was a real possibility. They are trying to express confidence chuck. I spoke to a number of administration officials who say look we feel as though there is still a chance to peel off one or two moderate republicans but who are those republicans that remains unknown. So they're not giving up on this nomination just yet. But i think you do speak to the broader point. Chuck which is that. The biden agenda is dependent upon being able to bring along. People like senator manchin kirstin cinema. What happens with a fifteen dollars minimum wage. For example we know that progressives are pushing hard for that senator bernie sanders wants that to be in the covid relief package but joe manchin. Here's some cinema saying they're not going to support it so it's not just with these nominees. It's with the broader biden. And this is going to be the real push and pull moving forward not just with cove relief but on immigration on climate all of these packages president biden wants to move forward on are going to be challenged by bring up another issue cornell and that was the cancellation of student debt. We heard president biden asset townhall about cancel cancelling at a level of fifty thousand. The biden plan is ten thousand. He was asked if he was going to revise that. And he's like no and that got some pushback from elizabeth. Warren chuck schumer signed on with it at the end of the day. This is joe biden being squeezed on one hand by joe mansion in some things and on the other hand by elizabeth warren well but this is politics and quite frankly and and as someone who works and lives in washington. It's not a bad thing to south. Politics is supposed to happen. You're supposed to be it's supposed to be competing comp- competing interests here But the but the difference. Is i think so democrats. They may have different ways of getting to those goals. But but and that's where the where the fighting is but there's no disagreement on on the overall goals when you look at where democrats are are divided if they're divided on student loans. You know we all want to get to a better place on student loans. I it so the overall goal is even on healthcare which which we have a lot of fighting between the progressive wings and the more moderate wings. The there's no fighting about the overall goal of democrats are in fact to get to more more universal coverage. The final democrats sire comes about sort of how you get there. And here's an here's a dramatic difference. That i gotta say this truck. This dramatic between democrats republicans. No one is organizing a effort to block joe mansion from from being part of leadership because he voted for because he voted against this joe. Manchin won't be censored because because of this it is a big party. And i think that i think that's a good thing politically susan. Is it a healthier divide among the democrats than what we're seeing on the right. Yes i think so. I think actually i think what's been remarkable about democrat. So far is the way they've hung together you know. The house is poised to pass With just democratic votes if necessary that first big legislative legislation the covert relief. Bill the senate is expected to do the same. they'll need to hold. Not only joe manchin but also bernie sanders. They need to hold every democrat. They've got the big test. I think will come later in this year with the second big legislative vehicle the recovery act because that will be a battle over what to do about climate change immigration and taxes and that will be maybe the last big train out of town for the first phase of the biden presidency. I think that's where we'll see. Real pushes and pulls among democrats. Pat mccrory is penalty for a republican. Who wants to vote for this. Covert relief you know. Maybe they're in a moderate district. And they're like i like seventy percent of it. I'm voting for you think. There's a penalty for that inside the party. Well i think the penalty for whether it be republican. Democrats are from the blue collar worker that you referred to in the past. The democratic party has been Influence heavily now by the university elite and somewhat by the corporate elite and for example the one point nine train but dollar bill even ten thousand dollars to pay off student loans. Well the blue collar worker. Saying why should i pay taxes for a kid to get bailed out of college. That's a direct insult to a lot of blue collar workers and immigration policy of opening up the borders. It's the blue collar workers saying found. Wait a minute they're gonna take our jobs. I do actually think. Joe biden is sensitive to that idea that not. Everybody feels like they should pay for everybody's private school tuition on that front anyway. But a terrific panel. Thanks a lot everybody. And that's all we have though for today. Thank you for watching. We appreciate that. We'll be back next week. Because if it's sunday it's meet.

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20190124 Nicole Sandler Show - Thursdays with Howie Klein, and Randi Weingarten too

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20190124 Nicole Sandler Show - Thursdays with Howie Klein, and Randi Weingarten too

"The following program contains graphic material, including offensive language, you're this question is advised without bring democratic form of government could exist which. Sending on looking out over overland. I'm good like good evening from our CBS news room in New York and ez presents Chet Huntley and David Brinkley from ABC this is world news tonight Jennings in London Robinson Vago and from our desk in Washington. Frank rebel to this historic legislation to telecommunications law the free. Out the bay. When the press is free of people have a country free when the brush is not free, but people of country are in danger of flavor before we information and the views of people making the news, Nicole Sandler Shaw on the goals. Handler dot com and the progressive voices met word. Maybe it's the movie's name is the folks the bullets as the real crooks. It's the parents maybe the colors everybody's wearing the president. Maybe the last one maybe the one before that what she'd done maybe high schools babies, the teachers they made the children in the bleachers. Maybe it's the bible. Maybe it's the lack of music, the crack. Maybe it's the hairdo was maybe it's the TV cigarettes family fast-food pits. The news events divorce. Maybe it's abuse lawyers. Please the prisons. Senator spinning business as the father's maybe. The sisters pay. Rake meal as navy? It's the liquor. Maybe it's the papers made it militia, maybe it's athletes. Sports fans. Maybe. The. Lottery, maybe taxes victims list, the KKK and the company maybe as Catholics. Maybe it's the addicts art sex. Sex. Maybe it's the maybe it's their own the chemical mids the carpal fertilizer, maybe maybe. But I. Took a Willard girl. All right. Welcome to Thursday. You might be wondering why Nicole playing Cheryl wheelers? If it were up to me, she only plays that every time there's a mass shooting in this country. There was a fucking mass shooting us today. Mc gut him. News media didn't report on it. You know, why only five people were killed five people. No big deal. See bring Florida. Who cares? The middle of nowhere five people. And it was a white guy. A twenty one year old white guy who went into a SunTrust Bank in Seabourn, Florida and killed at least five people in the branch yesterday here from CNN the suspect called authorities to say he had entered the Bank in Seabourn about eighty five miles south of Orlando and began shooting authorities identified the subst suspect is a twenty one year old white man, I'm not gonna say his name who's in custody. Not an immigrant. Not an illegal for you people who insist on referring to human beings as illegals. He wasn't here illegally. He was a twenty one year old Seabourn resident who is in custody. And it wasn't immediately clear. If those shot were banking -ployees or customers the victims of not yet been identified this as of yesterday because it's impossible to find any new information on it because five people shot dead is not enough to get the news media off it's ass in this country. Oh, I'm sorry. It's not the news media's fault 'cause they're all being heard. Yes. Apparently, a lot of the big media outlets from Huffington Post on down. The Huffington Post is now owned by some subsidiary of Verizon. They fired a bunch of people. I don't have the list of all the media outlets who've been firing people. I've been seeing people on Twitter logging on people whose who we've been reading Huffington Post. Sorry huffpost now, it's now huffpost for years who are oh shit. I think we've got a call come in who are basically. Out of luck. They're out of jobs. All right. We'll get back to that. There was other breaking news that happened this week. And that is that the teachers in Los Angeles who were on strike are back and to to Philipson on what's happening in the world of education. I'm really happy to welcome Randi Weingarten, back to the show. She is she is the president of the American federation of teachers that you can find it af T dot org. Randy with us. Thank you so much for being here. Sorry, I opened the show with a bit of a rant because usually after a mass murder a mass shooting. I played this song by artist named Sherrel Wheeler. That's if it were up to me, I take away the guns, and I'm I'm just dismayed that there's been virtually no coverage of the fact that there were five people killed in shooting a Bank in Seabourn Florida yesterday 'cause I guess five people isn't enough. It's not a big enough deal. But that's that's a different topic. That's not what you're here to talk about Randy. We're just already just for of the Florida at fishy trips to what happened with the so called Parkway commissions that got together that shit was. So it's very interest to the death of of of folks who kills I. Yes. Yes. That's it. That's it. All right. I don't be go with your grant. No, please. Hey, that's that's what we do here. But I do you know, there's not a whole lot of good news these days. So when there is good news. I want to shine a spotlight on it. And we got good news this week out of Los Angeles where teachers and students are back in their classrooms after a six-day strike. So first of all, congratulations. Did they get what they were looking for what? It's a paradigm shift. The kids. So you can't to every single one contract. But Levy just say I've out computer pearls at the Boggetti, tea and U2. as officers of your lakes. LA? Importantly that. That's that teachers. Has survived braid as special Ed pieces, and I would cute of our teachers over Java. Teachers they rocked it at is. It was a subway because he did Harris and kids -pletely placed as kid because my created a paradigm shift the LA about portions of public education the public. As she. That sounds great show. To success their futures. So they do every get everything you want know. Oh. You know, the real extol saw. You can't get can't always get what you need. Yeah. If you try sometimes what you need. Yeah. It's terrible cold. I could not without it. That's not gonna try down. I hear in you're out. You're out in the streets again today instead of resting bowling better. Where are you today? We are on our way to Georgetown, Ohio because it bores shuttle Hieaux at it had tracks. They should get these communities are to be devastated because GM ten thousand closure as opposed to the retrofitting the GM plant Mazen at so there's a town role today is that we have set up with with schools throughout the beholder county to only look at your tax disclosure is going to do the beauty of which of unity of words and. And. Corporations are not people corporations have got this. If it's the government of states, not just this huge tax cuts that trumpeting rescues. Yep. But GM got out spell out. What it was about to go up? That's the federal government Ted us about and they have an obligation not just to their shareholders that communities would be which these are located, and it is devastated. Would you have these agree awarded town? I've seen it out county West Virginia where we were if he did your where we work with you have a wedded company touto awarded tout. Young. And we need to try to fight that needs to be away. So Chee Lee considers this decision retrofit supplant cars. People want at that twin don't close it at don't to right on to. It's a great cause. And there should be a lot of that going on all those plants should be retrofitted as stood our infrastructure. Should you know, the call Myers should be retrained to do things in in the green new green economy there? There's so much of that it seems like obviously were stalled while the orange one is is, you know, holding the country hostage. It's just it's it's really disheartening. But but again back to the teachers Ray, well, there is LA now LA's back in school in Denver is going out and a couple of other cities and this after two thousand eighteen saw a research. Of energy around teachers in public school support staff from West Virginia, Arizona to Kentucky and others is is this a new trend is it because obviously it seems to be working. Well, what happened is that people? Don't take just rations Ishurdi. Ituri? And they're not despair. That that lead dust. The the chip is what kids? Has to be. Answer already ourselves. It's the festive kid be to have teacher, right? Right. Live happens is I choose age happens at home for was would Trump's election, and it's a quite into. It was of crowded just there at -centration vicious toll relations, and and argue whether it's teaching thirsty with the helping professions. They differences the lives of kids to be true story. And so I think it was a wakeup call for everyone that our country could actually become the quite different. Words that that type of democracy for diversity rights of for four failures as as we think? I think it's started like with the women's marches in January seventeenth kind of chlorine close action. That's so what you see it works for Jeju. Oklahoma's over last year. This year is a charter school strike in cargo. The LA strike. Dot kiki. Go for the edge with say what we kid to war would less divorce. We have to actually get the resources that we need. So that kids can't succeed. Stop disparity gossip I big four stops with us. Ed. So what we go. Like, you could only do this together that regular folks don't have any real power alone. Right. That's so whether it's, you know, you know, at the boggy table like walk is your cat has a great contract. Got at the fog cable who actually has a great new contract. But what the work? Tax increases twelve districts of yours three people decided to increase taxes because they do at schools. That's so. At least the part that you. So the first real reasons by heavy do contract about about to go places. Like LA twenty months, though, foggy. Though, foggy station was from house to. Mortared only deal with the teachers say go public schools, and we will go strike to get what was wrong. What have said it turns into the audited the conversation about public education as you? All those years. Get to just I get Texas who had the SEIs offer study surpri regulate up charter school. Yup. And as a people says stop thinking Shorter's at schools that listened ten percent of people go to as the priority of public schools that ninety percent of our kids go to the priority as it takes more that just are pleaded with take us walking to get that does. That's what we're gonna do. Absolutely. I'm Randi Weingarten is with us. The president of the American federation of teachers, and here's the things, obviously, we value our kids those of us who have school age kids. This is a priority for I guess people like Wilbur Ross who doesn't apply to them. So he doesn't give shit, you know, they're more concerned about their own Bank. Bottom lines, but we care about our children. So we want them to have a good education. We should care just as much about the peop-. The educators who we entrust our children with every day. But I gotta tell you. I looked into pursuing teachers teaching because I'm in a dying field right now. And I'm a college graduate. But with a degree in broadcasting in order to teach I've not only have to go back to school to get a degree in education. But for most of the positions, I looked into I need a master's also for jobs that pay what at ten dollar an hour wage. I mean, there's a real disconnect here, then I don't know. How will go into teaching as a profession? Well, the call if you go it's teacher, we could help you get the cut a credential deputy. But you're right. There's something about I was aware that the truth I had to get by credentials. Right. But by what the case was was was affected by Astor's. It's a country area. And I. Suspect to test. We would be at the work that you've done it broadcast, but we are professional young with. You are are, you know, hit the tricks of the trade. There is a real class in terms of pedagogy turps of we how to communicate with kids knowing how to teach how to our, you know, how put together no turn just like other professions would say come a warriors have a law school become a downright would better. Although everybody in their brother thinks they can do a radio show and in in by way of podcast. So just say, but we go that you we go or this those that she can't, you know, at respects, which journalist do the work journalist do this country, but but it is the coat of. But like look the last coal that just out of of USA to reside these over ninety percents Fisher. So there's other jobs that would to be teaching over sixty percent. Of teachers, actually, I'd such forty percent. Teachers have to work a second job. The ultimate Lee review dot, you know, we what we pay for it and teaching has ever been values of it. It's the value the torque -ly. Is valued economically. As if we want the best of the brightest. We wanna keep the best of the brightest to bag whatever. But in a lot of these places strikes or the walkout have been about conditions. Cute. Not just this. And and and so, you know, what you're seeing is teachers actions really double responsibility about their families. But the communities which were at so proud of this absolute when I saw the news reports of the teachers in Los Angeles where an inordinate amount of the kids are on free or reduced lunch packed meal for these kids and delivered them to their homes because they knew in many cases, they were the only meals these children were gonna get these were teachers who were on strike who did this on their time. So yeah, we had actually there's a group called reclaimer school LA. It says a code of strikes that we created actually was to hope quaver school LA of help kids four date towards electric joy the strike. Well, well, well, I my hats off. Teachers, they taught me well, I wish I can repay it. And I thank you for the work. You're doing Randi Weingarten, again, you can find her on Twitter at Randi Weingarten, and the American federation of teachers. She's the president of that fine organization. They're at af T dot org. Randy thank you for calling in today. I know you you've been swamped and on top of that you're fighting this mouse of cold, I really appreciate your time. Cicle Tokyu forever. You know for sure thank you. I appreciate it. They will talk to you soon. Take care Bye-bye, Randi Weingarten. You know, when I heard the news about the teacher strike being settled, I wanted to check in with Randi who I met I met number of years ago in roots nation, and she's always been very very kind to me. We disagree politically on some things. But that doesn't get in the way because he does good work as the president of the af tea, and again has always been willing to talk, you know, the tough issues, and they they deserve. Congrats for great victory. And they'd have more fights on their hand. It's it's criminal the way we pay our teachers. It's also criminal the way, we treat our federal employees. How's that for a segue shit? We're is the dawn we're do. Oh here. He is Wilbur Ross is in the news today before we get to what's news. I want to share this because this happened. After I wrote and produced what's news this morning Wilbur Ross who's the Treasury Secretary apparently goes back decades with Donald Trump. Was asked about the the the the the furloughed federal workers who are either not working or even worse. Forced to go into work for no pay that slavery, by the way, and. And Wilbur Ross I'm going to just play you a little bit of back and forth that happened on CNBC earlier today. So first you'll hear the voice of the CNBC person. When when you hear the guy that sounds like he's death warmed over my name is rose. That's him. Yeah. For spectacle here. Workers. Well, I feel sorry for the individuals that have hardship cases eight hundred thousand workers if they never got their pay which is not the case, they will eventually get it. But if they ever got it talking about a third of a percent GDP gives a fuck about a third of a percent of the GDP. It's only eight hundred thousand federal workers if they don't ever get a check. It doesn't really matter. It's drop in the bucket. So it's like a gigantic number overall secretary mister secretary their reports that there are some federal workers who are going to homeless shelters to get food. Well, nobody are really quite understanding. The obligations that they would undertake say Abbar owing from the Bank or credit union are in effect. Federally guarantee the thirty days of pay that some people will be out. There's no real reason why they shouldn't be able to get a loan. Number beds to to Sion's doing that. What a despicable piece of shit. This is this this song is not. Big. It's a bad news story. Big. His name is will. So the the dilemma I'm in today along with other things that you don't know about don't need to know about their my problems. This asshole is saying let them eat cake, get alone. Who cares if they don't get paid? It's just a tiny fraction of the GDP. It's only eight hundred thousand people they don't mean anything, this is your government under Donald Trump. This is where we are today. We're right now the Senate is voting on these two bills to reopen. The the government the first is the Donald Trump plan that he announced last Saturday in his hostage. Video from the Oval Office. The second would be a clean continuing resolution from the dims that would reopen the government for three weeks or so, but would get those people paid it would get them a paycheck. So they can put food on the table and pay the fucking mortgage, you heartless pathetic imbeciles. I don't think we have a way out of this mess. Let me tell you. What's her name cure Ston cinema? How many people in Arizona? Did I fight with about Kirstin cinema? She voted. No, yes. Let me find that. Exact a year. Okay. Right on the first one. The final vote was fifty one to forty seven it needed sixty. I wanna find the see if I can find it about. Let's see DEM Senator. Joe Manchin votes. Yes. On Trump proposal, Republican Senator Tom cotton and Republican center Vitaly, Mike Lee, both voted. No. But I wanna find the cure Ston cinema. Basically, what we'll talk to how here Kirstin cinema votes. No, oh, she voted no on the on the Trump plan to reopen the government with wolf money. I guess that's a good thing. Okay. I must have misunderstood. I wanna see how she votes on the DEM plan. All right. Maybe I'm wrong. Maybe my rant against Kirstin cinema. Is a bit premature. But I'm sure how he's paying attention. So I'll check with him. In just a few minutes. I well, I gave you some of the news that happened today. Michael Cohen who yesterday said he's you know, Donald Trump in Rudy Giuliani had been threatening his family. So he's not going to testify while now he's received a subpoena to appear before the Senate intelligence committee. I think March February twelfth as opposed to February seventh and Elizabeth Warren stepped up we'll hear more about this. Maybe depending on who's doing the reporting Senator Warren is proposing a wealth tax on those with more than fifty million dollars in an attempt to combat soaring wealth inequality. Of attacks would hit those a fifty million dollars with a two percent wealth tax and those above a billion dollars worth of three percent wealth tax. It would raise two point seven five trillion dollars in ten years. Wow. That might even pay for Medicare for all and free college tuition at public a public in state schools. Go figure. All right. How we Klein is standing by. Let's I get to what's news. We'll be right back. I'm Nicole Sandler at Nicole, Sandler dot com and the progressive voices network. The news. It's time for new Colson lers. What's news from the coal, Sandler dot com. And the progressive voices network. Through load federal workers took to the Hart Senate office building on Wednesday. In addition to the chanting the workers held thirty three minutes of silent protests one minute for everyday the shutdown has lasted the Donald Trump government shutdown on Thursday reaches day, thirty four but Wednesday night brought Trump's I surrender to ANSI Pelosi as Trump back down on his demand to deliver the state of the union address next Tuesday. It was one of many fronts in the battle of wills between the president and the speaker, although Pelosi had basically rescinded her original invitation to address a joint session of congress, citing security concerns due to the shutdown Trump ignored her and on Wednesday sent her a letter dismissing her explanation postponement of the address writing, quote, dmed him speaker. Thank you for your letter of January third two thousand nineteen sent to me long after the shutdown began inviting me to address the nation on. January twenty ninth as to the state of the union I've been received another letter from you Theta. January sixteenth two thousand nineteen wherein. You express concerns bre guarding security due to the shutdown. Even prior to asking I was contacted by the department of homeland security and the United States secret service to explain that. There would be absolutely no problem regarding security with respect to the event accordingly. There are no security concerns regarding the state of the union address. Therefore, I will be honoring your invitation in fulfilling my constitutional Didi look forward to seeing you on the evening of January twenty ninth in the chamber of the house of representatives. It would be so very sad for our country. If the state of the union were not delivered on time on schedule in very importantly location. So that's what Trump extensively road. Obviously somebody else helped him write it because there were no spelling errors. Anyway, Nancy Pelosi responded with a letter of her own which Trump was made aware of by a reporter. At a press pool spray. She says she will not consider concurrent resolution to have you house on January twenty nine state of the union, Jerry, housekeeping. Come into. It's really a shame. What's happening with the Democrats said become radicalized? They don't wanna see crime staff, which we can very easily do on the southern border. And it really is shame. What's happening with the Democrats? This will go in for a while the American people will have their way because they wanna see no crime. They wanna see what we're doing today. We lowered prescription drug prices if they wanna see that the Democrats would never have been able to do that. So we're all working very hard. We'll have to respond to it. We'll respond to in a timely manner point about lowering drug prices an outright lie just doing my part and calling him out on them. But back to Pelosi's response, she sent a letter that read vessel. Dear Mr President. When I extended an invitation on January third for you to deliver the state of the union address. It was on the mutually agreed upon date January twenty ninth at that time. There was no thought that the government would still be shut down in my further. Correspondence of January sixteenth. I said we should work together to find a mutually agreeable date. When government has reopened, and I hope that we can still do that. I am writing to inform you that the house of representatives will not consider a concurrent resolution authorizing the president's state of the union address in the house chamber until government has opened again. I look forward to welcoming to the house on a mutually agreeable date for this address. When government has been opened Nancy Pelosi repeated over and over again, then at eleven twelve pm on Wednesday night, Trump raise that white flag of surrender the Twitter, of course, where he said a Pelosi's decision to change the date of the state of the union, quote, this is her perogatives since he spelled prerogative correctly. I'm guessing someone else drafted this tweet as well that continued I will do the address when the shutdown is over. Next up to votes in the Senate on competing proposals to end, the shutdown Trump's offer to extend DACA and TPS protections for three years, and the Democrats clean continuing resolution that would fund the government for three weeks and more importantly, get the federal employees paid a both are expected to fail. Now, if you were stocking up on popcorn for the February seventh congressional testimony of former Trump lawyer and fixer Michael Cohen. You're probably out of luck Cohen on Wednesday indefinitely postponed his scheduled testimony citing quote, ongoing threats against his family from the president of the United States and his lawyer Rudy Giuliani. That sounds like witness tampering to me, and it's against the law. Democrats are looking at issuing subpoenas to get Coen's testimony. And finally, it's another day in America. At least five people were shot to death in a Bank in central Florida. Police say a twenty one year old man. Man entered a SunTrust Bank in Seabrook, which is about eighty five miles south of Orlando and started shooting before barricading himself in the Bank, the suspect later, surrendered and was arrested. There's no word yet on a motive. And that's a bit of what's news for now. I'm Nicole Sandler. If you appreciate these reports and the Nicole Sandler show. I hope you'll consider making a contribution. My work is one hundred percent listener supported and I can't do it without your help. Find out more at Nicole, Sandler dot com slash donate. This is a huge huge issue. And we're talking about it. Goals and Lucio on regressive voices and the coal Sadler dot com. Are you a multi-national corporation hungry for a treat will come on down to schmucky Chucky cheese, or you will personally be seated by Chuck Schumer himself, so many dishes, and they're all fresh. 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I was a little under the weather, and I cancelled the show and somebody made a donation a contribution to the program, and he said just please don't ever take off a Thursday. Again. I missed how we climb. Oh, thank you ever. They and I didn't write down his name or I would thank him Mashad out. But but by God it, and I thank you in. And I understand because we need our Howie fix. So how right now there's a the votes going on in the Senate on the dueling bills to reopen. The government the first one that they voted on was the the Trump's deal that he laid out in his bullshit Oval Office address on Saturday, and they needed sixty to pass the procedural vote to move on the vote was actually announced incorrectly. It went down fifty to forty seven. This was Trump's plan. The defect is were mansion, of course, voting for it. The lone democrat vote for it. Cotton and Lee crossover in voted. No. And I guess now they're voting on the Democrats clean continuing resolution to see what happened there. Wow. I window that surprised me about cotton. And Leo we that about I think they realized that there are being hurt by this never ending shutdown that that it's it's really bad. Ceo Kapoor just tweeted the vote currently stands at fifty one to forty four unless somebody's switches to know, the democratic plan to reopen the government without wall money. We'll get more Senate votes than the Trump plan that includes wall money, but they both fail. Anyway, why because couple of Republicans have announced that they they were going to vote with the Democrats including Cory Gardner from Colorado and Lisa Murkowski from Alaska zoom ably. The Democrats will get they may get. Maybe she wanted or Susan Collins from Maine that really I wonder if if cotton and Lee crossover as well at that be mazing here's one from a few minutes ago. Senate arts defying the president and voting with dims on a non wall continuing resolution. Lamar I guess that means Lamar Alexander Collins gardener, Isaac sinon, Murkowski, Ramleh ISAACs. Isn't it? Romney, of course, voted. Yes. Go figure any would he's such a hypocrite. But we knew we knew. So we did. So now here we go. So in mansion voted yes on both. Unbelievable. So so they're not going to be able to this neither neither of these bills will pass. So that the the government remains shutdown Wilbur Ross, basically gave his let them eat cake. Oh my God. Did you hear what he said? What will ROY said? Of course. I mean, he's he's MUI Antoinette. Yes. Believe I mean, and and here we are. I I'm in a pretty pessimistic state right now. But I don't see a way out of this. Yeah. I mean, they they something will happen. I mean, Trump can only do this for so long before the Republicans turn on him. You know, we I mean to see Johnny Isaacson more than Democrats that gives you an idea that the Democrats will chip away at this. There were ten yesterday when the house voted to to open up the government again with no money for the wall. Then were ten Republicans who who voted with the Democrats, including people I did a list of it for a post have coming up soon. And what I what I mocked downward. The the percentage that each Republican got less time, they were elected so many of them had very very very close. So they're just afraid that they'll be defeated. But some of them weren't some of them were Republicans who have no problem at all who have very very strong supporting their districts and very. Very red districts, and yet they're also turning against Trump on this guy like Adam kipnes Ingur or someone like what's his name women? Getting my mind the guy the one Republican congressman from Oregon, I rake Molden Groenewold and yet voted with Democrats as well. They they were like, I think three or four Republicans who didn't have to do it, you know, otherwise someone like Brian Fitzpatrick. He's he he's lucky one again and there and he'll be talking again in twenty twenty. So he's a freight vote with Trump. He's voting against Trump on everything. Now. I mean, he's running against Trump more than some Democrats. And there are few Republicans like that. But the ones the ones who are in completely safe districts that are red as can be you know, I mean. Okay. Another one Simpson in Idaho. He Michael Simpson. He's you know, that's Republican territory. All the way he doesn't have anything to worry. About and yet he voted with the Democrats as well yesterday. Okay. So you're what I'm what I wanna say. Is that to address your question about what can how you know? Hopelessness is that you know, it's just gonna be a matter of time before the Republicans just tell Trump either either, you know, surrender on this the way you surrendered on the on your stupid state of the union nonsense or we're going to abandon you buy delay on his election in twenty twenty. Yeah. And that's going to be the hottest race in the country. Other than other than Trump. Absolutely. We do need to mention, of course, what what you just talked about that the what happened just lose my train of his you got me on this thinking about Mitch McConnell and he derailed me. Yeah. What what did you talk about something good that happened yesterday? How how's pens passed a resolution to basically opened up all of these departments of the government like block and lots of department of the government with no money for the for the funding past and and there were ten Republicans that voted for it. That's what I was talking about. Okay, and McConnell refuses to bring them up, and eventually, I guess he's going to have to because 'cause we can't go on like this. And I think the public we're watching a Trump's polling numbers fall precipitously. I think in the latest I don't know which one Gallup or something he's down to thirty four from forty something. So in that important number two thirty four because I mean varies, but there are some people that say once he goes below thirty three Republicans will start peeling away from him. And then once he goes below thirty. Then there'll be more of a stampede away from him like when when he when his his approval rating has starts with a two. That's when you'll get Republicans who, you know, go over to Nancy, and Chuck and say, okay time from peach mint with you. Gotcha. Here's what I was looking for the there was a new store yesterday. And I didn't get all the particulars on it. But it sounded like some committee in the Republican party was working on basically, eliminating the the primaries for twenty twenty just to give the nomination to Trump is that something. I don't know if it's the same that I read, but it was actually the South Carolina Republican party. You know, maybe there's another thing other entity as well. But the South Carolina Republican party didn't wanna primary they just wanted to just handed over the Trump. I as ING and hopefully by the time it is horrifying hopefully by the time. The primaries would run roll around his approval ratings will continue to drop. I can't imagine in what world he shut down. Continue to him who continue being horrible. Yeah. But the question is is he destroying all of our? Or norms are institutions are ways of of governance in this country in the process. I mean, I think it's a race to the end which comes I I'm not certain, but but it possible that he is. But but I have a somewhat of an idea that. It's a lot of to depend on what happens with with the person who replaces him who the Democrats nominate whoever I mean, all the polling that I've seen shows that any democrat who got who gets the nomination. So I'm not just saying pick anyone off the street or that's possible saying that, you know, any reasonable democrat who winds up getting chosen in the in the primaries in the Caucasus by the Democrats can beat him. So, you know, the the poll I looked at showed, you know, Warren Beatty. Beating him Bernie beating by a lot Bloomberg boomberg, medium, all them, Biden, even Bego all would beat him. So then the question becomes what kind of president? Will they be and will be able to restore confidence in the government? And and and we'll be able to move forward and inspire people to to remember that the government can be a force. For good. So, you know, the two models that I'm looking at one would, you know, just quote, the Biden model, he's not the only one. But he's the worst of them would be you know, sort of return to normalcy now Warren g Harding ran on that. And and and he won. And he was one of the worst presidents in American history. Some people say he was love worst president in American history. I don't know that I'd say that, but he's definitely way up there. And that's Biden, he's the Warren g Harding today. It's just all about a return to normalcy Biden has nothing to offer whatsoever. You know, I was I was Obama's vice president yet. And that's that's it. That's all he can say and that may be enough to get him over. I mean, he has used name recognition. Of course, they they're, you know, very very very carefully hiding his mental state. So people, you know, when he makes these gas and errors, you know. People just joke around. Oh, he's a gaffe machine. He's actually sent oil. Yeah. And and you know, imagine hiding that enough to elect this guy to president. Remember if they'll be able to? People in, you know, Trump Trump and and by fighting it out. Yeah, you're shocking and horrifying any is no ideas about going forward into the future. He doesn't support things like Medicare for all of the green new deal. I mean, he's he's old in a way that his ideas are old and is his way of looking at the world old. I don't care about how old he is in number of years, although it's affected him badly Bernie in effective in that way. And Bernie's is basically the same age as him few months difference. But Bernie has all these great young ideas. Bernie, I mean Biden, and and and Bloomberg both squares Trump got a hip instincts, like Bernie, I mean, Bernie the hippest. I mean, it's a funny word to use. But, but but I've been playing with it for for a story writing tomorrow, and Bernie, and Bernie, the hipster, and and I hate to say, but Trump is in the wet in a way as well. L in different ways than Bernie. But but by just total square. And so I mean, Bloomberg you see that thing. He put out about marijuana. Yeah. His his wonder. Yeah. Like put a nineteen fifties. Yeah. He belongs with Jeff Sessions. Yeah. Exactly the same Zach debuts exactly you know, he he wouldn't understand. And I can I don't understand why the people around him have said, hey, you know, it's different now. But you know, that we wanna president like these these squares to come in to follow Trump will be horrible. But you know, you talk about someone like Bernie where you're talking about someone like Jeff Merkley or something like speaking of Elizabeth Harun. Let's speak. Elizabeth learned that I spoke to you morning young. Now yet, Elizabeth Warren, I had written this big long post about wealth, text one wealth taxes what it would do. And what means and then I sent it to Stephanie Kelton to get her to get well, the at her opinion, but Ortho 'cause I was hoping she would give me a quote, and she and I've been going back and forth all day. And she doesn't want to give me a quote, but she wants to. She wants me to put it out today. She said don't way don't don't put it out tomorrow. Put it up. Today, and we'd be talking about this morning. I just send it to her gin, and with some changes because Elizabeth Warren had just announced or no she didn't announce her her advisors announced that they're about to announce that she's going to propose a wealth tax of two percent wealth tax for all Americans who have more than fifty million dollars. And then the tax go up to three percent for people who have over billion dollars. So this is not an income tax. This is a tax on wealth and the purpose of it isn't just to generate income, although it will generate trillions of dollars or older trillion dollars. But it would what it would do is help to bring back a little bit of equality in wealth for America and to really really really important proposal. So because warrant it just broken the Washington Post an hour or so ago, I decide. To my post up. So will you hang up in in about ten minutes? The post is going up. Now, this is a really good plan that she's putting forth, it's something to address wealth inequality, which is a huge issue in this country. Here's the problem. One of my loyal listeners in the chat room. I mentioned the story. I gave the very basics on what the proposal was. And what I get is US citizens making over ten million a year why not citizens making over five hundred thousand a year. Nothing is good enough. Every every good idea that any of these candidates puts forth gets shit on by by supposed- liberal in. If we can't come together, we're really screwed. I can't tell you the people I've blocked who've been bad mouthing, Bernie because he's such an awful person for whatever reason they give that's all bullshit. This is where we are. Now this early in the process, I think we're screwed. No, I, you know, I get the feeling that the that the the cut of Hillary Clinton diehards who hate Bernie and will always take Bernie the allowed. They make a lot of noise. And then, you know, but then they're nothing. They're not it's not like we're talking about one percent or let alone five percent. We told you meant nothing. We're just talking about a couple of loud noisy. Stupid people. Yeah. You're right. And I remember that just just ignored them. I wouldn't even block them. If I were you just interested. Now, I block them because I don't wanna see them in my time line, and I've been in a kind of a Pissy mood lately. And so I'm you know, I'm fighting back against these people. But when I see here here, here's something I won't talk to you about. There was one idiot on Facebook this morning. I know I should say Facebook, especially when I'm in this kind of a place, so a person Brinda Beverly who I've since blocked posts. So after listening to Rachel Matto last night. I'm all in for comma Harrison, twenty twenty waiting to see. Interview. And then it gets better waiting to see what Beto does he's the only one that can make me question. My support of Harris right now. Are you kidding? It is January. Everyone. Do they don't low these people? I mean, a friend of mine a very good friend. I went to college with is a gay guy. I need not dad into politics little bit into it. But but not really into it. So he's fell in love with Bego. You said I'm deporting bagel I love him. And then you money, and they said, well, what do you like about Bego? And he's so handsome. I said, we'll that's why you wanna president because you so Hinton he said well, yes. But these isn't he great though. I mean, doesn't he have good policies and stuff like that? I said, you know, Stephen Bego has been a congressman for six years. Can you tell me something about anything printed? He's been a congressman already. He's a congressman was six years. Can you tell me something that he's done that you like don't like, I didn't even know the congressman? I you sending this guy money. Back venture. He hasn't accomplished. Single thing is made no impression on anybody. Done anything. You know in the you know, he's not you guys even forget him. And you know, what do some research? This has been my mantra all day a fucking newspaper. Do your homework understand that with early or tyranny absolutely on a daily basis reading down of of of post that that that still working on cold? The worst of democrat who want could be president and one after the other. I'm, you know, talking about, you know, why he cares Jila brand is not fit to be president. Why Joe Biden is not fit to be president? Why Michael Bloomberg about fit to be president? So so, you know, in you know, now when it came to Bago did not do that. 'cause I don't feel. I don't feel that about him. I I'm not gonna vote for him. Him on the same level as we put a cares to Jila Brin same thing with you know, Cory Booker. I, you know, I'm definitely not into him in. But I I wouldn't do, you know written, you know, self about his bad record. But I still didn't put him in that category of really unfit to be president. Whereas I feel that Jilib Brin is now the same thing with Harris. I don't I don't like her. I feel a lot of negative things about her. I would I would really really pray to God. I don't have to vote for her. I've never have so far, and and I live in California. But she's not as terrible as some of the other. So I don't I I wouldn't you know term her a democrat, right? Do say that she is not your mic candidate by a long shot, but not not as toxic and horrible as as like a Biden. Right. Who has decades and decades of hope? Double record. I mean, these people going around on a pudgy towards I mean, it's just amazing. You know, one of the greatest moments of TV in the last week was Jake tapper on what is that show? He does the state of the union on CNN list Sunday, right where he he points out to poor Kamala Harris that she's calling Trump's immigration policies in Borno policies racist. And then he he puts on the screen her her her campaign from twenty eight with she random the same policies, and he says to her will your policies racist statements, Trump's you just called Trump. What about yours, and she was like someone kicked her in the stomach how that no? And all she can do is apologize. But the way she apologizes so NFL, dick. She she blamed her constituents for her own horrible policies. So in other words, you saying she's the opposite of leader. And then she an issue and even further and this really sick. And she said that she she literally said she couldn't feel the pain of the families who she was abusing to news the word abusing the family. You know, her policies were were destroying people and people's families, and she couldn't feel their pain. We have a word for that. It's sociopath. That is a definition of sociopath. Someone who cannot feel empathy for someone else. Even even as they are destroying that person. And I'm thinking visit and you know, she needs to go mental institution, or I should I shouldn't say that she but she needs therapy. If she if she saying that you. Associated path shouldn't be ready for president. No. Of course, not now. Let me ask you because there are few declared candidates who no one's ever heard of the one guy was on. I don't know with Chris Hayes last night you were saying call him. Good. He was good. But he was the mayor of south bend, Indiana. I'm sorry. Good to get. I mean, the more the merrier get all the ideas out there. And he's got some good ideas. But religion does he's an end zone. Hello, pete. What I I didn't take him. Seriously. Actually, I did story about him. And while doing the story, I learn more about him. And then when I saw him in action last night on Chris his show. I really started taking a little bit more seriously. And when he pointed out he has all executive experience as a mayor of even though it just pound. It's not a small town. It's more city of about one hundred thousand people when you think about it the job that he's done is far more relevant to the presidency than anything that Kamala Harris has every that's kissing Jila brenda's ever done. I mean what he Chris kiss kiss jewelry? Never do. She was a lawyer for the tobacco companies that liked to us about cancer shoes that you've lawyer. And and she's been a Senator who what did she for? I do anything. I don't get into bell Franken. Right. That's it. She she railroad routes l Franken. Well, how I wanna ask you about another guy who has been I guess he's been a declared candidate for a while. Now, I never heard of until the other day when a listener or two mentioned him to me, and I sort of who'd him his name is Andrew Yang. He is an entrepreneur word rich, very rich. And he's done a lot of philanthropic work. He's actually going to be on the show tomorrow. And I've said what I learned about him is his ideas are wonderful. I think he's got great ideas. But he. He's somebody. Nobody knows sorry not to be racist. 'cause I'm not, but he's Asian American which I think would be a, you know, a Mark against him in this climate. Any maybe more for him may maybe so we'll have we'll hear him out. He's gonna come on tomorrow. Again. This is a good time. What everyone? Yeah. One of the most popular politicians Erica people like just like loud. I know. He's and he's I know I wish he could run for president. But he's got a profile. He's worked in government. This guy. He has done a lot of philanthropic charitable works. He's used his money for good. It'll be interesting to you. What he has to say. I still don't think he's electable. But maybe he'll change my mind. I don't think he's electable either. Yeah. So it's still early. This is what I caution people against stop it with the his my candidate. That's my guy and everyone else can go to hell here all out. We got plenty of time. All right. The thing we got our unite on is. We have them exactly to hear them out. Some of them may have good ideas. We also have to they're all right now what they're doing running and apologizing for the record Biden is like all you'd ever talk about is how he saw he did this. And he saw he did that he's not. Are you just horrible? Everything Hopi gabbert is already about everything. But Neil of the of being real right of all these apologies for real. Right. And Joe Biden is not sorry. He stumped for Fred Upton, which I think is a career ender right there. Sorry. Did he actually say, yeah? He said, I like Republicans Sumi or something like that. I mean, just tone deaf. So I'll find that that quote for tomorrow how we climbed find him at down with tyranny dot com. And of course, the blue America Pac as always thank you so much Howie. We'll talk to you. Bye. Bye. Bye. Bye. Take care left yet Roe Conn what about Roe Conn. He's a first term congressman not a presidential candidate yet. See tomorrow everyone.

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Talking to Our Kids about Covid-19

"Corona virus fact versus fiction is sponsored by US studio guys. Are you having fun? Not being in school or is it. It's only five yes at at Sidley. Might not be in the WESTMIS- year. So your mom works with Andre. Gupta if you're a parent like me. You've probably gotten at least some questions from your kids about the outbreak. Maybe they've been asking. Just what is an outbreak? How serious isn't or maybe just simply? Why are they not going to school? You don't WanNa scare your kids but you also want them to be careful and understand why they can't play with their friends. That's why in today's episode. I invited my Collie. Cnn anchor. Kate Baldwin. Who's also a mother herself to talk about how we as parents can get through this together with our kids. I'm Dr Sanjay Gupta. Cnn's chief medical correspondent and this is corona virus fact versus fiction. You have two daughters. I have three daughters. Your daughters are five and two five and two five and I can't believe Kate that you have is still remember before you had any kids. Oh Yeah Yeah. Kids are young but did you talk to them about it and I. I did what I always do. Which is I typically. Try to protect them from the news. Which isn't easy. Obviously because of my job. But that's how I approach it when I'm dealing with a stressful situation that strategy speaking to kind of the unprecedented nature of this completely failed on me here then my daughter came running out of school and she said mom there is something called Corona and everybody is getting sick says my five year old and I did not handle it. Well I said Oh. It's nothing to worry about Cecilia. We just need to wash our hands more but then that failed because her imagination was running she heard about this thing and so we're walking down the street New York. She points at Amanpour Man. Does he have the sickness? Oh no no okay. Come on Sweetie does he have this sickness mom and it continued and continued and it was that moment rows like Kate. It is time to call on the experts because this is a new situation. So Kate asked. Her daughter's pediatrician and other experts. For advice on how best to talk to her kids about the outbreak first and foremost through all my conversations hours with them. The most important thing that children of all ages need is reassurance. While we don't have all the answers. They need reassurance in this time of uncertainty that they are going to be okay and that. Mommy and daddy are likely going to be okay for older kids. In terms of not avoiding the subject that may come in the form of misinformation that they are going to hear from their friends or they're going to see on social media just having an open dialogue with them asking them. What questions do you have? What are you concerned about for younger kids? They suggested and I thought this was really fantastic to start with just demystifying terms. I love that's great. It's it's educational and yet reassuring at the same time. Yeah and they universally said check yourself. I check your own stress levels. I because just as important as what you were saying to them is how you're acting in how you're saying into them so if you're behaving in a highly stressed manner your children may simply be picking up on an emulating this behavior and also then to my obvious faulty start. Do not avoid the subject because their lives are being interrupted just like our lives are being interrupted and they have questions and then their imaginations run wild school closures can be a nightmare situation for some parents. Especially if you're also working at the same time like many parents out there last week C. N. N.'s senior health producer. Nadia conveying found out. Her children schools were closing in a way. It wasn't surprising because obviously we were reporting that schools were closing. But it's still not quite the same when it happens to you like it's just a lot. I mean we have two kids. We've a four year old almost five year old and seven year old and they go to school. That's the childcare. And that's what rely on so that we can actually go to work and so it's a lot of hoops that also that you're thinking about like how do I work and make sure for taking care of our kids. Nadia is like many of you juggling multiple jobs right now. She's reporting on the corona virus while also taking care of two young children at home. Our team visited Nadia and her family at home last week to see how they've been doing. It's challenging. It's been hard to manage obviously working at C. N. N. covering this has been really intense on our family. My kids have whenever there's like. Oh are you working again? They're like Mike. Yeah they're like because of corona virus. Like yeah so that's tough. I mean so. That's already hard enough but this this definitely adds a whole other level of pressure. Fortunately for Nadia a former Teacher Nora. School reached out to families in the neighborhood offering childcare. Help I think that's the only way I would have worked for us. I mean we're fortunate. We were able to do that when we have the fines to. We're lucky because there was someone available that we had already been vetted and we knew and I felt comfortable with so that helped even with the extra help. It's been challenging to manage her son Max's homeschooling. I don't know if we didn't realize what we were supposed to expect but like Max's teachers Max's in first grade. She this giant schedule. It's like from eight fifteen. I'll read it to you. I'll pull it up on Google classroom but it's crazy it's like goes from eight fifteen to three forty five day. Yeah I mean this is a lot of work. We haven't done it that way. We just can't like one not even here. I've had to have someone else helping with that. Nadia says her kids know that school is out because of the corona virus. I mean we've talked about it. It's interesting I think they've had like little lessons at school. They've been much more like where about washing their hands. They're like we have to wash for twenty seconds. They know about like sing. Happy Birthday twice. I wouldn't say they're always remember too but You know they're aware of it. I think we've been watching a video about germs. That's what they said not. Everyone has been able to make it work like Nadia's family but there's still a large population of kids. I think who really rely on the school for their services and their parents there who I mean they work shift jobs you know and they either they have to go into work or maybe they don't have work now or they don't have the things like they may not have a computer like the work that we have to do for school lies on us having both the computer or device of some sort and internet. Like what. If you don't have that stuff right and frankly you have a digital divide between wealthy and on wealthy. Here's Randi Weingarten President of the American Federation of Teachers. So why would you actually think that you're going to replace schooling with online when so many kids at home don't have wi fi so we're gonNA have to just figure out how to help create engagement and how to help create calm and how to get the facts out to help kids as much as possible put schools and communities are doing what they can to lift? Some of the childcare and financial load schools aren't just schools. They're amazing social safety. Nets and over. Thirty million students rely on schools for their meals. Cnn spoke to. Arne Duncan the former education secretary under President Obama and so we have places like Chicago giving out one hundred thousand meals. You have in la distribution centers around the city with their feeding kids. Were now working on the learning part. And you're seeing some very different things. You're seeing high tech and LOW TECH IN PLACES LIKE CLEVELAND. You're seeing on bus routes People dropping off food and homework. He says he's been seeing a lot of great leadership and creativity on the local and state level. You're seeing in places like Miami where every child has a device in there a little bit further ahead. Some very good blended learning going on there. You're seeing school districts from Indiana to Utah where there isn't access. Wifi WIFI enabled buses being parked in those neighborhoods to close the digital divide. So you're seeing amazing. Creativity people working really hard again. I want to be really careful. Because there's people who are legitimately suffering out there for sure but the reality is that these things are unfolding in front of US real time and for my girls. You know it's going to be one of the most significant events in their lives. My eleven year old's birthday. Was this past Monday. She was upset because we cancelled her party. But we still spend time together as a family. We went for a walk outside and while she didn't get her party I reminded her. It was a birthday. She'll never forget we'll be back tomorrow. Thanks for listening. Aw Fast and effective. Communication is crucial as business. Transitions to a remote world with you studio. Your enterprise can easily communicate with employees partners and customers remotely through private audio and video. 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Special Episode: Matt Frendewey [258]

The Editors

42:53 min | 7 months ago

Special Episode: Matt Frendewey [258]

"This fall students across the country are facing new challenges. Families are facing renewed hardships with some schools remaining entirely or partially closed, and as a result, it's time to rethink how we fund education. It's time to fund students and families not systems and institutions a growing coalition of more than seventy organizations from across the country have come together at fund every kid dot com to urge that we reprioritize the way in which we fund education by prioritizing funding students first, Americans are living. Through a phenomenon that no one living in this nation has ever encountered and as a nation built on ingenuity, we can't confront the schooling crisis by reimagining education and putting resources into the hands of families to enable them to pay for needed online courses, devices, tutoring extracurricular activities, learning pods, micro schools, or tuition at the local public or private school. We need to give parents the financial resources to ensure every kid can receive an education that meets their needs especially during this pandemic. If you believe that we should be funding kids and families and not systems and institutions learn more by signing our petition at fund every kid dot com. How schools failed during the Cova crisis and what can we do about it bill us all this and more on the special sponsored addition of the editors under and I'm joined for this episode by Matt Friend Away Vice President of the organization Yes every kid you're listening to our podcast, a regular scheduled programing will return soon if to podcast National Review Dot Com, we're delighted to have you but it'd be easier. And better for us if you made as part of your feed industry and services out there for spotify to itunes like what you hear here please consider give us glowing five star review on itunes. If you don't like what you hear here, please forget I said anything. So. Mad. Thanks so much for being with us. Absolutely, thanks for having me on. So, what is yes, every kid. Yes every kid is a organization dedicated to supporting every child potential and every child's pathway to receiving a grade education. And this held is the organization. just over about a year and a half now we barely came together and recognizing that a lot of organizations in the world are dedicated to kind of advancing one specific model They support public schools support private schools. Charter. Schools. and too often try to move people in camps and yes every kid wants to revisit that conversation really focused on what's best for every student absent of specific model, and then enable them to have the opportunity to attend whatever model whatever that education experience looks like. It's best to meet their needs rather than move into the kind of traditional tribalism that exists in in his long kind of overshadowed the K. twelve policy debates in this country. So if there's If parents want their kids to public school, you don't have problem with that. You just want to be best. Best We. Want, to public school that and to look at that student as an individual, rather than look at them as one among an average measure them against an average or treat them as kind of a cog in a wheel. And there's some public schools that do tremendous job at that You know I I live in DC DC public school down the road for me Van. S elementary schools. And the principal Cynthia Robinson duchess a tremendous job transforming that school and really looking at every student who comes into her her school as an individual respecting them as an individual and every single teacher in that school is on board with that. Model. And the and the same can be said about some great public private schools out there. But in the same vein, there's public private charter schools that kind of all want kids to kind of fall into line, meet their model get into in into their system and kind of you know authentic chisel off the jagged edges that make kids unique and wonderful. So, obviously, during that Cova crisis enormous health effects, obviously huge economic effects obviously but then enormously consequential education effects as well where you had schools shutting down. Schools operating remotely what what you know about the research what affect that had on children's learning. That's a great question and questioning don't know if anyone really knows what that impact will have on their learning we know the the tangible media impact is that. All fifty five, point, six, million students in this country have been impacted in some way by coping nineteen. Thankfully not all of through the pandemic itself but they're learning disruptions what began as a slow wave in early March quickly with over the week of March thirteen through I think about the the twenty first you saw schools all across the country immediately shut down. What began is I think most parents kind of accepted as kind of the extended spring break into summer and a lot of parents recognize that that schools weren't. positioned. To quickly pivot to to adapt and they a lot of schools did a lot of tremendous work trying. Shift. Too many schools really just weren't able to I again, Fairfax public schools here to tell DC. They shrugged kind of just said, hey, sorry regularly get rounded. Pivotal Time we've tried we tried retried tried here's some home homework sheets We'll see in the fall. The problem is now fast forward to the fall. and you've got you know I think it's about sixty percent of all students nationwide learning at home due to school closures some of the biggest school districts in this country have demonstrated they cannot There weren't able to reopen and some of those that did reopen aren't able to do it continuously at still disrupted model. So every student still continues face radical disruptions in their education that the really challenging the. Very premise of what our traditional model and system looks like you're in this country. So we're GONNA work our way around to to what One of the policy shift he thinks would be very, very important in this environment but just general it does not online learning work. Is there any such thing as online learning? You know you said you guys support you in any way to educate kid and and Be Mindful of them individuals can can you do that well online? For some students that works out great. You know some students online learning, actually their preferred model even for four This pandemic slept over our country and and since the pandemic I think a great number of students have found that learning online learning remotely is a it's a good model for them But that's the beauty of individualizing the education process for those that it works we celebrate we want to allow them to continue to have access to that sort of online model for a lot of students. It's not gonNA work us to clean need the interaction they need you know a one on one connection with an educator me that trusted adult who can help guide them along their educational journey, and that's where a lot of the kind of traditional system has kind of shrugged said, well, we'll do our best. I will get there in the fall despite a lot of folks myself included saying it's not likely and turn off sixty percent of schools closed kids are back at home. In a lot of schools we'll get January I. You know I'm no I'm not a doctor or scientist. The idea that the have this solved this health pandemic salt by January I think it's ludicrous like that's when most kids have. You know your typical flu symptoms so You're going to have another round of of disruptions come January, and I just think if anything we've come to see the one size fits all model. The idea that all kids need to learn the same way is is, is not the solution to this to the education crisis in our country? So. What's your view on on just the? Safety Question H-. How safe are schools? Enormous political debate. About this, where you have you know some some teachers in the adults running school saying you know. God forbid you're putting us in danger and then other people very strenuously arguing while you look at the experience of of. Other countries with reopening schools you look at the research it's just there's not a lot of indication that that kids are a huge vector for this what what is your understanding? How the best state of the? the best research question. I think. Too often. These a lot of these decisions are being made in two ways that are flawed one, the ring made politically they're be made in political decision. I think you saw that with a lot of the positioning from the Labor Labor leader Ron this issue where even before any science was out there they were demanding that all schools remained closed. Absence of science are demanding all schools remained closed. And then you have. The the other side of this, which is that even when schools do reopen. A lot of parents who don't want not every parent can feel comfortable. Teachers cannot feel comfortable returning, and again the way our system has been set up too often We kind of assume that the education decisions should be made as a one. Solution, which again, it was the flawed number two instead of recognizing that, hey, you know what? Instead of having a opt out type of education system was having opt in education system in the sense of if a parent sees the schools open and they're comfortable with the way that they're remedying some of these challenges health challenges, they should be able to send their they have the access and opportunity to send their student there but they shouldn't be required to if they don't want, they should have the ability. To to continue to their kid, opt out and use their funds that otherwise set aside for a student to fund education in a manner that best meet tech kids needs. Some kids like we've talked about could be online, could be a hybrid model could be another school down the road, but we should really be thinking about what's best for the individual student and put ourselves in their shoes as opposed to hobby make everybody trying conform till one-size-fits-all system especially in the in in the middle of a pandemic. So, you know your New, York right and. Yeah. What's going on? Escape from New York but we. Exactly what? What what's going on in? New. York City doesn't enter the health the health challenges the the way schools are structured the densely-population, the same sort of decisions and veteran around those those challenges shouldn't dictate the same type of isn't. In West Chester or in a rural part of New York and yet that's kind of the mindset. A lot of the folks the traditionalist to live in, which is what we should all be living under the same. Set of rules and penalizing or limiting opportunity for all students at the same time as opposed to try to break this apart and decoupling some of the way we get to sentence to look at what's best for individual students at the at the most local level. Possible. So you think. Kind of the way education's been. Dispersed and put more on parents not that you would do it this way you know obviously, it's it's been a burden to a lot of folks. But that this potentially we can learn from this potentially going forward in a non pandemic. Environment giving more parents autonomy and giving more. Having more flexibility in a system generally. Absolutely I think. They're a ton of lessons to learn. I think one of the biggest lessons learned is that it out trying to continue to sustain a system where parents are expected to either remain at home with a student at home learning in front of a computer probably a sustainable for all fifty, five, fifty, six, million students in this country. And yet, that's primarily the alternative most traditional schools and even many private schools and charter schools have offered parents as the alternative in in classroom model. Hey, we can't give it to in classroom. So what we're going to do instead is gave her tablet or you already have one at home and move all lessons online at home, and we hope that you can still be you're still working at home or you can remain at home making sure your kid who's A third grader in naturally wants to get up and walk around periodically remains in their seat that model is just not realistic nor sustainable, and yet that's what the traditional systems kind of offering as the only alternative to what what would otherwise be in in classroom. Classroom? Model. This is something that's sustainable as an it's not asking parents ask anyone. Just online. You'll see people just. Having meltdowns. It's sad. Yeah. So what's your thought on the so-called pods that some parents gotten together and and contract for an instructor themselves and have a small group kids? That's you know being taught in someone's living room something. I think it goes back to the the beauty of the ingenuity of American. Where when a challenge is presented? We find a way to kind of. Respond to it in a way that best. Rise to the challenge where we're learning aren't necessary quote new. I don't think they've ever had the demand in the tents they've had now because families are certainly recognizing, they can take more control over their child's education. They can hire a teacher to teach five, ten fifteen students on a closer. You know compact that and keep in, allow them to have some that in direct. Communication with with. An educator guide. Law them have socialization with other students. And allow them. You know allow the students to continue to learn and not just the come to kind of the you know, sit in front of a computer and. And you know be read two or you know have the homework dropped off periodically. So I think it I think it's been a great benefit for a lot of families. And what is your view critique pods at? Well the these are parents with more aware with all in resources who? Can do this said this time of great. -struction. Of the education system, the these these parents who already have all sorts of. Privilege are on only enhancing the. Unequally. Yeah. Comes for the kids totally one at a Straw man argument in the center. If that's the biggest challenge, let's address that problem right You know I've I've read some the messages in some of the critique from from folks who are more you know traditional. Education leaders such as Randi Weingarten to raise that flag and I. RECOGNIZE WE DON'T WANT TO CREATE A. Bigger. You know. You know. We want to continue to have expanded gaps between students of wealth of students, not Wealthier or in poverty. If that's the problem that's the only challenge with pods, and let's shift funds to the families who need them. Let's take. The fund would otherwise go to schools that are largely sitting empty give them the parents who are otherwise in unable to hire a tutor or a guide or teacher to allow them to do that. Let's close that gap instead of using that as a straw man argument to try and prevent families from having more opportunity. So that's my biggest challenge with that sort of argument is it doesn't it's a complete distraction from the actual solution that can be afforded to many families. I mean the average homeschool family prior to this pandemic. Spent. Six hundred dollars per child. So the idea that that turn that. Per per year and that and and that's A homeschool family that's not hiring contracting a with a local guide but so but but the barrier to entry is pretty low. You start a couple that the other with with multiple families the barrier Richard still remains pretty low if you allowed funds to shift to a family, allow them to use those funds to hire and pay for that guy pay for that teacher supplement those expenses pay her for other alternative education needs, such devices, connectivity online models out school, all those other. Supplemental Resources, you're talking about the ability to close this problem immediately overnight and so that equity gap is gone. Now. I've been around long enough to know that they'll find a new excuse why this isn't a good idea but. As long as they want to bring that up. I'm I think that's largely strongman Straw man argument to try and prevent family from accessing more opportunity. So in terms of funding is do you want? New Legislation for this kind of federal legislation for this kind of funding if there if there is. Federal Legislation Do. You do want the any education aid directed this way. So I. Do firmly want more education funding in this environment or is only if Washington. Guest together and wants to spend more the want that money directed. Well. I don't think we need more. Plain and simple The federal government's already spend seventy, five, billion and this year they've already spent an additional seventy one, billion, the funding is there the challenge in what caused us to create a coalition called? Every kid was when we started to see more proposals, come out I think the most recent was about three, hundred, fifty, billion from from. The Democratic Caucus to continue to fund schools were otherwise largely empty, not serving students and we start to say, okay, wait a minute brigandage continue to. Spend billions in Kobe relief dollars on education that funds those funds need to go to families I. Government demonstrates what it cares about is priorities by what funds. And if It. If we truly value prioritize students than those funds need to go to students I, not schools and institutions already spent seventy one billion double the amount of federal funding in one year on on cable of education and students are still roaming at home learning remotely you have kindergartner tour told their entire process can be sitting in front of a computer. That's just this is not a optimal. Right. Yeah with turn struggling most of the time to keep their kindergarteners away from the computer. So Hours. Yeah totally and then. And then it completely absent of of the fact that parents are are also still on the hook to continue to work a lot. Not Every family has the ability to work from home right a lot of families. They still have their sent to workers they have to go back to work or the or the works reopening and they're expected to return so. The you know this just shows the kind of antiquated. And? Illogical response from DC, which is, Hey, schools aren't working. They're not reopening. Kids are stuck at home. So let's send billions more to schools and maybe that'll solve the problem which is doesn't work. Give parents. We already agreed that equity is the problem that's holding some families back from having access to pods. Let's close that equity gap given the funds immediately access those pops contract with guides and teachers learn an and other folks who can help kids learn. So how would you go about dispersing the money to parents everyone with? A kid of certain age would would get some money or how it worked. I think you. There's there's multiple different. Proposals out there I don't think that one. Perfect. I think it could be as simple as a direct to parent. Fund based on their students age, and then you could wait it differently. But I think at the very basic level let's get on the on the same page I that this is the right process and right path we wanna go, and then let's hash out the details that otherwise DC typically wants to kill things with details as opposed to getting on the same page I. So. Back to to what school systems have been doing this environment are their school systems on your radar screen that you think of just sort of knocked it out the park and dealt with us in in an ideal way or way clearly better than than other places. There there've been a couple have been one in Nevada actually too strong a quick blank. Where they have actually contract with pods in their enabling students to contract with pods to. To. Through the traditional public school system. recognizing that their priority as a school system is to educate kids as opposed to get kids in their school, and so they they partnered with With other with other independent contractor to with other folks along parents at create these pods, take their funds into do that and I think that's a demonstration of a system. Where you have people prioritizing what's best for kids I as opposed to? New York City, for example. where. They're going to keep public schools closed for learning but then there are going to open up. As daycares where? You're. You're literally like you're not thinking about what's best for kids you're just trying to keep the system staffed funded and that's wrong. So, this district in Nevada is actually creating the pods or funding the pods connecting people. Parents with with the pods exactly in logging. To shift. Their. Funds over and. And use them to to contract with pods in Nevada Component up while we're on the phone. To to actually have pod learning an ongoing learning. Absent of the. Classroom model. Yes. What are usually do mad I pulled up without telling anyone so they they just assume I know everything. Very transparent world I can't. So I, I think sides meatpacking plants or the military the school systems in most places are one of the most in industrial era feeling institutions in American life where the model of of mass schooling come from When did it arise? About well originated in Russia with doesn't even exist. Yet, ideas from. Yeah exactly. Right ideas came from and it was imported into the US because we hadn't had that moment in time, we needed an education system to. meet the economic demand of our country. So we're at a know the industrial revolution was underway, but we didn't quite education system that met the industrial industrial you know the Economy and so. Basically about. You know like I said about one hundred, fifty years ago they important in really drove home this model that at the time mirrored the economy and historically over time Beyond the Proximal, you've always had education systems that often mere your economic needs, right you want your, you want your folks, your your your citizenship to be educated than meet the economic demands of that of. Of that time period. The difference was we've never shifted. We've changed our economic model radically since the eighteen hundreds but yet the way we educate students hasn't changed and. and. What goes to show just how dated we've become as I think the eighteen, ninety, six committee of ten. Ten Ten ten folks. All, all I think at the time right all but a couple were like male college professor college presents. The basically wrote out what the education system look like. It's all. In the report of the Committee of ten, very, very radical names back then, and they said that every student should learn at the same pace at the same rate in the same material, the same time, and that we start from first grade to grade from Ninth Grade Twelfth Grade. Now like near one hundred. Forty years later we do. We do the same identical written down in ninety six and yet. Somehow that's acceptable that we we've standardized US model, and somehow we can't break from it. And this one is pandemic has demonstrated that the model so systemized that when you had fifty five point, six students impacted the model broke, it couldn't respond time couldn't respond quick enough. It couldn't. It couldn't help students and you had. The largest school district in this country just kind of shrug until kits. Sorry. We'll see next fall and then they got the next fall into. Sorry. We'll see in the spring. And this is fundamentally unacceptable. So you're not a historian of American education I, don't mean to. Make this podcast into one but do you know did Did. American education back in that era when we first imported this model, did it benefit from it? Were we turn out? You know net net more more More and better educated kids. I would say we we turned out. Students. In a way that the system that the purpose of etiquette well, it'd be put it this way the purpose of education met. The system. So we as we believe the country back in the purpose of education was a rank and sort students. To choose who should go to college and who should go to trade school and that's exactly what it did and it did extremely well, extremely efficiently, and as a result if you didn't go to college, you go to trade school. And you have a great middle class life and so if you look at the the. The increase in. Life expectancy, the value. Income the future growth of of homeownership on largely it's exceeded. Today though the system Every benchmark rates the system crates benchmarks you know and on every benchmark, the system fails. So at some point, the system is no longer kept up with what it's supposed to be delivering, which is the purpose of education, which is to get every kid an opportunity to learn skills necessary to survive in the world. So. So when you say they create their benchmark, what what what kind of benchmarks do you think you? I'm thinking of like the Nape Score, for example, right that the. To demonstrate that he system is working, we've come up with a series of different tests in metrics. Stay he looked this measure students on every single one of those metrics. The system absolutely fundamentally flops on its face. You back to two and. I think it was a thirteen and aren't Dunkin. Secretary of Education under Obama called a up at when nape scores came out nape scores for those aren't urged me is the way we measure students in the US in it's. Kind Kinda called the the nieces report card. At Arne dunking all that a picture of stagnation fast forward to Secretary Devos whether you whatever you're feeling around her. She could have lifted the same quote and use it because again, the score for flat studentaid had not progressed. In Math I think the scores actually had gone down. So it's like in every way we try to measure the system is not working, but yet somehow we remain. A tightly gripped onto it as if somehow just if we just standardized education system a little bit more if we just give kids a little bit more test prep will make them better on the test as opposed to stepping back and going. Are, we is a system we we have delivering on the purpose if the answer is no. The maybe the system is broken. If most teachers, most parents agree that teaching to the test is in the right way to do it the maybe we stopped doing it maybe we revisit the waiver teaching kids and and decouple it and break it open. And that's Actually what we're seeing today and but it but once again, if you look at kind of those who fund education. They still want to fund the system. Absent of whether or not tutoring. Whether or not there in the building let's continue to give them billions of dollars. The clearly crazy. But what what some people will say and touching us a little bit a little earlier is actually so matt, you say this failure, the whole system couldn't couldn't adapt quickly enough. Failed tens of millions of kids The counter argument will look I. Think a lot of parents have just realized the value of you know packing off your kid on a bus and having him her is someplace else for six hours a day or wherever it is someplace safe some someplace where they they learn at least something someplace where they socialize and you got to work and you earn a living and then you come back home and you meet the school bus. So what are you talking about that the failure air? It is just that these these Th this pandemic washed over US and parents can no longer feed their kids into this into the mall of the system and when they can no longer do that and they're throwing back in their own resources. That's the that's the disaster. So we we need this shows we need this dusty little model. It's it's good for parents. It's good for families. And everything you're describing is I don't disagree with it. All right. There is a convenience factor of the traditional system that we've built our lives around. We built economies around a lot but but in some ways we haven't right. For working to working household family a school that ended up to thirty three o'clock. Netflix. Convenient. We've is kind of a came accept it right. The idea that we send kids to school at a young age you know around times that are. The Times that aren't actually best for their brains to learn tells me that we haven't done the them things the right way we just continue to to accept it as the way it is the fact that you know I it was you know if you go back to pre pandemic life the average parent wasn't happy with the traditional system, the average teacher at a turnover rate that was atrocious because they weren't happy with with with the system. The fact that we you know in continuously religiously that we don't pay or treat teachers with as much. Respect tells me that we actually weren't doing things right? We were probably doing things wrong. We just accepted some that convenience I came along with that. Wrong. And so we miss a convenience. And and so then. Everything will solve the convenience. You know if convenience is having your student, your child, your little learner out of your house out of your hair. Talk for that problem and get them into an environment that best meets their individual needs while solving for the problem that you can't have your kid at home while you're working at home or while you're returning to your job. Instead of saying, let's go back to a model that we all agree didn't work but. We're going to, but we were okay with the convenience factor that it didn't work. So, what are the best times for kids learn by the way? It varies by age, but we have flipped. We send like. High School. Kids to school earlier when they need. To sleep in longer and little younger kids to school later when they're the ones that are up early and oftentimes soaking and information early as soon as they're awake. And so we We've done this I've never done this, but I'm GONNA use it to explain my. High School career. Six o'clock in the morning as a high school student is just it's insane. It's In every way shape and form we've done education even when you think of like the summers off right everyone enjoys them in in some aspect we all enjoy the kind of the idea of summer vacation. We all enjoy some of the. The the you know nostalgia. But. If you took out nostalgia from took out the the funding convenience he took away students you know. You know. Longing for that summer break is really the best thing to do for kisses to give them three months off. Maybe I'm not saying I'm not saying I do. But. It is it the best way to do it and then have to spend? You know the first three months when they come back remediating, they're all the learning losses if. That's the right thing to do. Let's do it but let's also do that with. The right. The best way to educate kids maybe instead of giving them three months off, you give them a month off or you give know. Back into school remediation and other month off but there's other ways to do this but often have for stuck in the system is stuck on this model and the folks who benefit from it the they're the ones that often time keep it together you want it's not the best thing for families in students. So we try another and every. Every GonNa hate me right now if they if they're listening to I, know you have a huge probably like high school popularly. I'll send me like hate mail that summer vacation. That's not exactly what I'm saying. So trying to counteract on on you and I. It's it's a version of the the pod inequality. I asked you but. Another argument would be. Well. We'll look we we got this sameness system everyone. Since her kids do by and large But that's a great instrument of cultural cohesion, which is a good thing and it's in its own right and also. An instrument for for quality you know you're you're going the same school system everyone's learning the same a curriculum. You might have some differentiated you know AP classes and what not but still everyone's going and getting the same thing and in this should be this is this is a good thing. This is a value for society. Well I'd like to I'd like to know how you back that up and measure it because one if you if you say it's creating a better society I say we have a more fractured society today than ever before. Number two. the again, the way that the system chooses to measure itself. I I'm. More of a radical minded, let's challenge the system type of individual but the system creates these tests, the standardized tests raw across the country to measure itself. on par, they're failing those test. So it's not actually. Reaching the goal that it's achieving. And furthermore, you're you have largest the largest gap de largest inequity. Gap. Between those who are wealthy and those who are poor between white and black students then in the history of this country. So the the Beautiful. System, we we like to think sometimes that we have. We're told that that that we could just reach is actually getting worse and worse each year and this is. To the pandemic. So I I would say that by and large, the system is not working at hasn't been working in if anything this, this really challenging pandemic raw facing has just brought to life the the problems. Tenfold. So. So last thing that. Uses to tai-bo on the conversation every like but what would you say to a more conservative people say, okay. that all sounds great. We got this education BLOB We've been talking about other options for really long time. The system is still in place still as as swiftly argue failing an important respects. So why shouldn't just be fatalist about this whole question? I would say because what were what we're learning right now? And what we are witnessing. Our families rising to the challenge creating pods, hiring teachers who otherwise were quitting going back to school or just leaving the system or retiring early. and. We be doubling down on those opportunities. We should be expanding those opportunities rather than limiting on them, and also because there's no reason why we can't have some sort of hybrid of both. Too. Often, the EDUCATON world like to try like I said I started talking divides everyone the camps you're either for charter schools or your for private schools are for public schools. There's no reason why we couldn't have a model and a better model that is both. focusing on the individual needs of each never student respecting their individuality while also not coming to the standardized mode motto and Rote, memorization of of the existing system and doing things better and and I think I. believe as a country we can do that I think he'd do it by by shifting. Your priorities to what matters most with the student as opposed to funding and prioritizing what doesn't matter as much which are systems and I think that's a that's. The Genesis of the Fund every kid. Coalition is the reason why we have over seventy two coalitions from around the country got together and said if we're GONNA continue to to to face these disruptions time to fund every. Shift the funding to kids prioritize what matters and allow families have to access to the funds that while them to customize their kids education in the way that beats their individual needs and when you have. Six percent of students out of school. If forty percent of families distant rolling in their kids education, you have I think it's like twenty eight percent of. Of Teachers a lightness from the NEA likely to to leave. The system. We need to do something different and it's not just the same old same. Oh Okay well, that's it for us our regularly scheduled programing or return. 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Politics with Amy Walter: The Political Power of Teachers

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Politics with Amy Walter: The Political Power of Teachers

"It's politics with Amy Walter from the takeaway, we've got a lot of stuff to get through today. We're talking -education in the second half of the show. And how the politics around everything from charter schools to teacher strikes have changed over the last few years. And how that may impact the twenty twenty democratic primary. We also look at Brown versus board, sixty five years later, and some of the unintended consequences for African American educators, stick around for all that. But first, let's do the numbers. Known hot. Those numbers doc in candidates. Twenty two. Governor Steve Bullock of Montana is running. Wait. It's twenty three New York City's mayor Bill de Blasios in who knows. Maybe we'll hit two dozen by the time game of thrones wraps up on Sunday night. We've talked with six candidates are ready on the show. But this candidate was one of the first jump into the race. I am very glad I was one of the first people. I might not have that grateful in February March twenty eighteen because no one cared about the twenty twenty as at twenty but I'm very grateful that have had more time to introduce myself, the American people, and certain certainly very glad that I've now made the threshold to be included in the democratic primary debates in June and July. Andrew Yang founder venture for America fellowship program for recent college graduates, he announced his longshot campaign back in November twenty seventeen. All I'm very open about the fact that I never intended to run for any political office the that before twenty sixteen I was the CEO and founder of a nonprofit organization called venture for America that helped create several thousand jobs in the midwest. And the south I'd gotten the sinking feeling. My work was like pouring water into a bathtub the giant hole ripped in the bottom. If you go to Detroit, that's it used to have a population of one point eight million manufacturing hub now. It's down. Two six hundred eighty thousand or so, so you go there with a small army of young entrepreneurs looking to rebuild, and you realize that the problems are much bigger deeper nastier, and so after Donald Trump became president, I saw our country, become very confused, where we're blaming immigrants on for things that immigrants have very little to do with. And to me, the central story was that we'd automated away for a million manufacturing jobs in Ohio, Pennsylvania, Michigan. Wisconsin, Missouri, Iowa all this wings, as Donald Trump leader to win and my work in technology. And my friends know that were to do the same thing to millions of retail workers. Call center workers fast food, workers truck drivers and on and on. So I realized I needed to help America understand what's happening to us and then advanced meaningful solutions in the form of a freedom dividend. I'm also on the record saying if someone else were to reach the White House, and adopt universal basic income and other policy goals, I'd be the first air clapping for them. I just wanna solve the problems so universal basic. Income, which you call the freedom dividend. That's twelve thousand dollars a person. Can you explain how that would work and how much that would actually cost how that would get paid for what the great thing is this idea, though? It seems very dramatic to us now in twenty nineteen it has been with the country sense are founding. Thomas. Paine was Ford in the beginning called it the citizen's dividend. Martin Luther King champion at nineteen sixty seven in his book, Cassar community. What he was fighting for when he was killed in nineteen sixty eight it passed the house of representatives twice in nineteen seventy one Milton Friedman in a thousand communists, endorsed it for these same reasons. The idea that venture -ly technology's going to put us out of work or was there. Another underpinning reason for a universal basic income, obviously Thomas Paine was not thinking about robots. Maybe he was that us. Very very, very. And in the sixties Martin Luther King, Milton Friedman. The rest, actually were concerned with technology. That was actually a time of great. Launch on a vacation and it was a concern. We've had you know, several shifts in our economy since the sixties and seventies. But now I see in the numbers that were pushing many millions of Americans to the sidelines led to Donald Trump. And today if you were to want to implement a freedom defend of thousand dollars a month, which we should one hundred percent do it would be pretty straightforward, because we have this massive infrastructure already in place, almost half Americans already receiving various transfers from the government. And so after I'm president twenty twenty one there will be bipartisan support for a dividend, and we can make it happen. Very very quickly. So explain how this would work if you are already getting entitlement, or safety net, government assistance, you're getting food, assistance social security Medicare is this coming on top of those? So this is alongside it, but if you opt in, it's universal, and it's optional obviously can't force. People people like. And the great thing is reintegrate a lot of people in the economy because, you know, you need to get a beans of payment Bank account, and generally, and things like that, but it's up in, but if you, then you're choosing forgo benefits from certain cash cash like programs, so if you're currently receiving food stamps, for example, you would look at and say, hey, is what I'm getting right now better worse than thousand dollars in cash. And then if it's worse than you take a thousand dollars in cash and then your current food stamps no longer apply. But it sure still seems difficult to live on twelve thousand dollars a year without getting any other assistance. Oh, yeah. And many families would be very well served by opting into the dividend. If you're getting higher levels of benefits, but keep in mind as thousand dollars per individual. So if you have two adults and a household, it's twenty four thousand maybe you have an eighteen year old child. It's thirty six thousand dollars. So I mean if everyone gets it, actually adds up very quickly and even people who are well off. So no matter how much or how little you're making you qualify bit. Universal means universal. Yeah, that's right. And this is taken. From the successful application of a dividend in Alaska, which has had it for almost forty years. Everyone gets between one and two thousand dollars a year. No questions asked and doesn't matter if you're the richest Alaska into the poorest, Alaskan you get the dividend, and that helps make it universally popular. It's not a rich to poor transfers of his no. You're getting I'm not DC ties it makes it a genuine, right. And it also avoid having to have reporting monitoring requirements where people say my circumstances changed, or you have some motivation to under report your income, we've been hearing a lot about Moris of automation, pushing people out of work as you point out since the sixties, I'm sure it's been even before then. Right. That ultimately as a society, we're going to be so technically officiant, that we're not gonna need workers at the same time the pushback to that is, yes. But every technology brings more jobs. People were thinking this at the industrial revolution era. Right. We were going put. So many people out of work, but that it didn't take a little time, but that automation and a are going to create as many jobs as they are taking away, but just in different areas. So I wrote a book on this subject of gone into the facts and figures in the history, but I'll just suggest a few things of course. It'll be new jobs created by all these new technologies the problems that these new jobs will be for different people in different places with different skills than the jobs that are lost. There are three and a half million truck drivers in this country. The average truck drivers a forty nine year old man with a high school education being forty six thousand dollars a year. My friends in California working on trucks drive themselves now after you get self driving trucks on the road in five to ten years, will you need new logistics managers and hardware specialists? And you know censor mechanics. Yes. Will they be the same people as three and a half million that are driving the truck right now? Or the seven million that work in truck stops motels and diners that no longer have customers because at truckers don't stop there anymore. Of course, not there'll be very, very different people, and I studied economics in college, according to comic theory if you were to automate away, four million manufacturing jobs in the midwest and the south, those workers would get retrained reskill, find new jobs, and all would be well, but in real life when you dig into what happened to the manufacturing workers in the mid west almost half of them left the workforce, and never worked again. And of that group about half out for disability. And then we saw surges in drug overdoses, and suicides in those communities to a point, where now our life expectancy overall has declined for three years, and the success rate of federally funded retraining programs according to independent studies. We're between zero and fifteen percent with us, the first industrial revolution as a template. There were mass riots that killed dozens of Americans and caused billions of dollars worth of damage, and we implemented universal high school in nineteen eleven as a response. So even if you use that as. Is your template? You'd expect this to be very, very rough, particularly when you consider that MIT McKinsey and Bain all project that this fourth industrial revolution will displace workers at two to three times the rate and magnitude of that industrial revolution. We're in the greatest economic transformation, the history of the world it has brought us Donald Trump, and we need to get a heads up and start acting if you get twelve thousand dollars but you still don't have a fulltime job. How are you going to still make it in this economy? So the great thing is that the twelve thousand dollars a year is across everyone. So if you're in a community of one hundred thousand adults, that's an additional hundred twenty million dollars flowing through your community, and that money's gonna get spent on car repairs tutoring services and local, nonprofits and religious organizations like it ends up supercharging all these neighborhood economies. So that's one of the. The problems with thinking about it's go, I get thousand sure. But if everyone gets at thousand dollars, that's actually going to be a massive boon. It's going to grow the consumer economy by ten to twelve percent. It's going to create two million new jobs in our communities because that's where the money's going to go, but he's going to then sort of supercharge, the gig economy, an idea that people are going to be doing two or three or four things on top of getting a monthly check. Well. And so ninety four percent of the new jobs that have been created in this economy since two thousand five have been gig temporary contractor jobs, so we need to move towards universal health care Medicare for all in. That's one of the flagship pillars of my platform. We need to start essentially waking up to the fact that it's not the seventies anymore, people aren't going to have lifetime jobs at the same company for years. Everyone's doing a gig job. We need to get healthcare two people independent of their employment. And then we have to start acknowledging sort of work that my wife does my wife said home with our two boys. One of whom is autistic, and that gets zero. Oh, we know women do the vast majority of the unrecognized uncompensated work in society. So people are like, let's raise the minimum wage. I get it. I'm for raising the minimum wage to, but that does not affect millions of people who are doing caregiving work in train, work, and parenting, work around the country, talked about the freedom dividend Medicare for all universal health care. I've looked at your website there a lot of things for. Thanks, a lot of things. Everything from the NCAA ping athletes to battling opioid addiction to preventing airlines booting people off their flights. But this all cost a lot of money a mean how on earth can, we have this many things that the government doing well, some of those things don't actually cost money? Airline thing. No. And NCWA. No, but I'm talking about Medicare for all. I'm talking about the obviously the number one thing being the basic income, but how on earth can we possibly raise enough money in the government have enough money to do this? This is the greatest. I that's being played on the American people. Like our economies up to twenty trillion dollars five trillion in the last twelve years. And we're somehow running around being like where we're going to get the money. I mean, all you have to do is look at Amazon, Amazon's a trillion dollar company. How much do they pay in taxes last year? Zero meanwhile Amazon is leading to the closure of thirty percent of American malls and main street stores and the most common job in the US is still being a retail clerk. So think about that equation, your stores, malls, close Battelle workers, lose their jobs, and the American public zero. So the way we change all this join every other advanced economy and have a value added tax, which would then give the American public sliver of every Amazon sale every Google. Search every Facebook ad. Then because our economy, so vast at twenty trillion dollars even a mild value-added tax gets you over eight hundred billion in new revenue. Now after we pass this dividend. The money does not disappear grows our local economies and it creates hundreds of billions of new revenue. This is the trickle up Connie from people and families and communities up. All we have to do is believe in ourselves and make it happen. If he were elected gang says he would implement a universal basic income, meaning everyone would get a thousand dollars a month, and he would pay for it with value added tax on tech companies like Amazon, but many see value added tax regressive arguing its consumers who will bear the brunt of the new tax system as businesses pass those taxes onto their customers. I asked him how this would be fair to most consumers while it would work out for the bottom ninety four percent of the population, and unless you're spending hundreds of thousands of dollars you wind up ahead. But this is, again, something that every other advanced economy has already done. In the world, you have to ask yourself like, why is everyone done except for the US? And the answer is that our government has been overrun by corporate interests and Amazon likes pays zero taxes. That's the only reason we haven't done it. I wanna talk about that sliver of the internet. There's some folks in there that have embraced, you and they come from everything from white nationalists, to others who have values that you have. I know you have denounced them and said, please don't support me. I don't I don't want your help, but wondering if there's another way in which you can address what you think is going on here. Why is this attraction happening for you? And how can you talk to folks out there and assure them that just because somebody like Richard Spencer says that he likes me? I wanna tell you why. I don't like what he's doing. How can you do that? I think most Americans very smart. They can see who I am. They can see what my campaigns about. They know that I can't control every hateful individual who decides to write a blog post, that's positive about me on the son of immigrants. I believe that immigrants make our country, stronger, and more dynamic. Most Americans have no confusion as to who I am. And that does because someone reprehensible supports me. You know is not to them something that they need to. About why, why do you think they're attaching themselves to you and doing the memes and everything as opposed to any other candidate in this race? I think I'm talking about issues that actually affect Americans day to day, and they get it one thing that someone said to me, and I owe someone said to me, you're what I hoped for when I voted for Donald Trump. There are many, many people who supported, Donald Trump who now feel deeply disillusioned disappointed unto where they're gonna go if you're not gonna support, Donald Trump, second time you're kind of casting about, and so some of them, I believe, have landed on my candidacy because they believe I'm trying to address the same problems in a different way. I see the dislocation in these communities. I worked in the midwest and the south for seven years. Donald Trump sold turn the clock back bring back jobs, build a wall, which was, obviously garbage and nonsense. And a lot of people are recognizing that they were like that actually did not help or did not work did not happen. Andrea showing up saying I get it. The economy has transformed underneath your feet is devastated your way of life. We should own that. And we should. Try and see to that everyone, as at least some tiny slice of the innovation and progress going on you feel like a stake in the future, and some people find that very compelling Regina showed this week on education again, go to your website, you have a very detailed plan about tackling student loan debt. Can you sum that up for us? It's reprehensible, we've done to where young people why has college gun two and a half times more expensive. And as I have times better up to one point five trillion in student loan debt up from less than one hundred billion in nineteen ninety nine thing about that up. Fifteen fold twenty years, so we need to just make choices say, do we want our young people living in their parent's basements, deferring, any of their hopes and paying on loans for years, or do, we want them going out there buying homes, starting businesses starting families? So if we choose the latter, we should forgive a very, very significant chunk of these student loans. And that's what I do as president out also bring the interest rate zero so that government's not profiting the but we have to stop treating. College. Like it's the end all be all for all young Americans. The unemployment rate for recent college graduates is forty four percent only six percent of American high school students are in technical vocational apprenticeship tracks in Germany. That's fifty nine percent and there are tens of millions of those trade jobs that are going unfilled right now because Americans don't have the skills for them. And it's because high school kids, get told go to college or bus to go to college. Your loser and trade schools are for a second rate, students and individuals a lot of those jobs are very, very lucrative, you can make six figures as attrition or plumber and many, many places in those jobs are much harder to automate, it is much easier for software to get rid of an accounting or bookkeeping insurance agent, or journalists job, unfortunately, journalist plan for try and fix that too. But it's much harder to automate away a plumbing, job, electric jobs. So we need to try and focus, our young people on the opportunities that will be here for them for years to come given what we know about automation and what the future's going to look like. Are you surprised that more candidates haven't embraced a basic income in some form or another? Let's change it, you know, the plan is to make it so that every candidate has to embrace universal basic income, as a necessary step towards preparing our country for the twenty first century Connie and they're not bold enough to do it yet. But as it becomes more and more popular, they will feel like okay this is going to be good for my campaign. Let's brace it it's inevitable. We have to do it in the sooner we do it the stronger families and communities will be an I'm enjoying making that case because I can guarantee you before this campaigns over. I'm going to have a lot of company in the universal basic income camp. Andrew yang. Thank you so much for coming in, and talking to me. Thank you, Amy. But a lot of fun. And if you want to hear more of my candidate, talk interviews, rest me, this is the easiest way to do it. You follow me on Twitter at Amy, Walter. Now tweet out the link to the page with all of those in one place. You can even take them to the beach with you. Meanwhile, the rest of our show today is all about education, and we asked you our listeners what you wanted to hear from the presidential candidates when it comes to education reform. Hi. My name is Vicky Brady and I'm calling from cocaine, Minnesota, my question for the twenty twenty candidate. How can we bring some of the best practices from charter schools and private schools, in the public school system, instead of spending money the other way, I think we really, really knife to infill in kit. But love of learning instead of the tedium testing, I would like to see the federal government, a minimum wage for teachers. And I'd also like to see loan forgiveness for teachers, especially if they work in underserved areas like Hawaii, which is badly in need of shirts. This is Carol Faye. And I'm calling from Oahu, Hawaii, KAI Peter from Saint Paul, Minnesota, and education policy, like the twenty twenty candidates address the problems with public service loan forgiveness. How many Democrats running for president again? I thought it was five hundred. Feels like that. That's Randi Weingarten. She's the president of the second largest teacher's union in the country, the American federation of teachers, and she says that the number of candidates running has made their presidential endorsement process, a little more complicated. Also, the AFC was criticized for its early endorsement of Hillary Clinton back in the summer of twenty fifteen. Then he argued that it looked as if Weingarten was trying to blunt the momentum Bernie Sanders was starting to get in that race this year. Weingarten says the process and the timing are going to be a lot different. We will clearly endorse before the twenty twenty relish in the primary. So I assume that we will. But if you ask me when I don't have a sense, you know, you either chase the racer shape the race. But when you have whether it's twenty three or five hundred thirty seven candidates, you have to give them time to really make their case, my hunch, is that we will not. Be in a position to do anything until the first four primaries are standard is, you know, someone who shares our values and Ken win. But at the same time our other goal in this process is the most member involvement ever. Let's talk about what some of the candidates are saying on the campaign trail. I've been struck by the topic of education being almost uniquely focused on student loan debt, and on, basically post-secondary education. I'm wondering if you're noticing that, too, if there's enough attention going to K through twelve and if so who's doing the best. We already have had five candidates, do these town halls with our members. Harris has a fantastic teacher pay proposal. I am proposing as a policy prescription is what will be the first. Federal investment in closing. The teacher pay gap. Char has a fantastic infrastructure proposal. The most important thing is I made sure up front and center that we included funding for school infrastructure, Elizabeth Warren, who has a terrific student debt proposal, also talked about child care and other public school proposals at the town hall. We had we can provide universal childcare and universal pre-k for every one of our zero to five year olds in this country. About that. So I'm I'm seeing it Amy but what we're not seeing is being covered. Okay. So all the coverage is free college student loan debt. Not enough media coverage on some of these programs that candidates. I think, you know, the normal rule is that oh, nobody votes on education. I think that has changed. I think if you look at eighteen and the governors who won in Wisconsin in Michigan. Enu Mexico, all about public education and benefit structure. But we do think of that as a local issue, right? That's what governors are supposed to talk about presidents. They don't get as involved in local education issues. That's still something that the states are supposed to do. So I think that changed because of no child left behind and because of race to the top. The real issue will be, will the candidates talk about education. In a lot because you're seeing a paradigm shift back to public education, which is fabulous and will it get covered because it is actually norm changing, for people to be voting about education people vote about their children. But I think in twenty twenty people will vote about it. After the break, Randi Weingarten, and I talk about the teachers strike. Hey guys, it's amber hall senior producer for politics with Amy Walter on Friday, may thirty first, we're celebrating our one year anniversary with a special live broadcast from WNYC's the Greenspace in New York City. If you're not in New York, don't worry. We'll be live streaming the show and the conversation. It'll be all about the electoral college. We keep it should we scrap it five times in history. The candidate elected president of the United States was not the winner of the national popular vote. Two of those five elections happened within recent memory, and now the calls to nix. The whole thing are getting louder. Join us for a spirited debate and get a peek into what it takes to make the show the events free. But you need to reserve your tickets in advance. So visit the Greenspace dot org slash events to secure your seat. That's green with an e c there. Of course, the big news in the education world is the teacher strikes that have been going on around the country since twenty eight teen. Many presidential candidates have spoken out in support of them. Elizabeth Warren tweeted, I'm with our teachers all the way after the L a teachers strike in January. Comma, Harris Cory Booker Kirsten gillibrand and Bernie Sanders all said similar things I asked, Randi Weingarten. If this is unique do you think in two thousand and eight for example, that Democrats would have tweeted support for a teacher strike in Los Angeles now, so what changed think about an two thousand eight who the so-called icon was of education. It was the time cover the show re on the cover with a broom in an empty classroom sweeping something out in. Let's still everyone, this is DC this of Columbia's school superintendent, super. Attendant who was she sweeping out, basically African American older female teachers in Washington DC, and this was a sense of they were going to shake up the system 'cause education had failed. So these teachers needed to be shaken up, and there needed to be an injection of competition, and of markets, and using testing as a way of actually reordering what we should be doing and testing on English and mathematics, and what has happened in these ten years. The teacher strikes have been the root cause of all of them have been the lack or the disinvestment that has happened. The got fifty kids in class in Oklahoma and forty chairs and thirty deaths. You have in West Virginia, no internet, and teachers that are actually making less today than they did five years ago you had in Arizona teach. Shire's who were selling their blood plasma to make ends meet. And so, when teachers and said enough in West Virginia in LA, we need guidance councils schools, we need, nurses. We actually need to meet kids wellbeing. We need to actually meet kids needs, not the testing, and not a paperwork, and all of a sudden, you're seeing the public, supporting teachers that is her. Yes, that it was now supporting the teachers as opposed to supporting sort of structural, correct changes or the superintendent who said, no no, no. We have to shake the teachers up. And so all of a sudden, the teachers like no, no, no, no no really. You don't think we were kid phrased to see the public support for these teachers as they were striking are walking out? No, I wasn't surprised for the following reason. I spent a lot of time in the field. I spent a lot of time listening to parents and listening to teachers. And listening to kids, what I was happy about is that in all the places where we have been involved. We have really worked with our locals, and we have about thirty five hundred around the country, you can't just say, teachers want kids need you have to work with community before you can go out on strike before you can have a walkout before you do any of these things. How are we actually making sure the community knows what we are really talking about. And so what you've the shifts that you've seen is that there is a real working with community before any of these actions happened. Randi Weingarten, thank you for coming in and talking with me. It's my pleasure. Thank you. Randi Weingarten is the president of the American federation of teachers. We also reached out to some teachers who participated in a walkout in Oregon this spring. Here's what they told us. My name's Christine Napper. As in Beaverton our seats walkout was unique because we weren't protesting about teacher pay. It was all about student needs every year. We have to do more and more with less and less. And we are failing our students, especially our most marginalized ones speech, therapists. County, Oregon, I work with birth to five population, and I've been doing this for over twenty five years, and we have been underfunded the entire time. I've been working in Oregon, and I would like to ask our presidential candidates. How are you going to serve the most vulnerable members of our society, children with delays and disabilities are birth to five? Has been dominating the headlines this weekend. The latest on the teacher walkout. It is now been four days. Listen to people. We know the vest who take care of these kids every day who love these kids who work are who are professionals, and listen to them. The current wave of teachers strike started in twenty eight teen they spread from West Virginia to Oklahoma and Zona destroys were happening in red states made some sense unions, are week there and the legislatures had made deep cuts in public school funding both during and after the recession. But since then, they've spread to blue cities like Los Angeles, Oakland California, and Denver places where unions have traditionally been strong. So what exactly is going on here? I spoke with Jeffrey Hennig professor of political science and education at teachers college Columbia University, and Sarah Recco, she's an associate professor of political science at Michigan State University. This is something that they've been researching to what's interesting is that, while there are some issues, so for instance salaries have been relatively flat for teachers, and that's a, a phenomenon that affected the red state teachers as well as teachers. Cities like Oakland and Los Angeles. We see other issues emerging more prominently, as well in the cities, especially issues like the expansion of charter schools, and what we especially notice, and focus on from our own work is about the political clout of teacher's union. So traditionally, we think of these cities as places where unions are arguably the most dominant player in local education politics. That's historically, how many people have thought about school board politics. And what's been happening in the cities, is if you look at campaign contributions to school board, elections, which we've done going back to two thousand eight you can see that, that is increasingly not the case in certain cities, including Los Angeles, and Denver, which are part of our study that teachers unions are competing with rising new group of donors. Many of these donors come from out of state. Some of them are organizations that are involved with education reform lake stand for children and Democrats registration reform, and they tend to be supportive of things like expanding charter schools Jefford, that's what I wanted to dig into for second these outside donors and interests. They're not simply conservative groups. There are a lot of liberal interest groups or people who define themselves as activists on the left who are donating to these school board lexington's. Yeah. And in fact, in the cities, we looked at the individual donors who pumped quite a bit of money into these cities where predominantly Democrats, which we could tell by looking at how they gave in national elections. What candidates they supported the democratic party's been split for quite a while on some of these issues of education reform with one wing of the party represented, impart by Democrats for education, reform that supported things. Like test based accountability like charter schools. Parting company with what was typically more the mainstream of the party, which was aligned with the teachers unions, and it seems like maybe the pendulum has swung back. Are you all seeing that because, you know, there was a time not that long ago where Democrats, including some Liberal, Democrats, Cory Booker, when he was mayor of Newark, were extolling the virtues of charter schools, under the Obama administration, there was something called race to the top that the teachers unions were not happy about now. It seems like Democrats are running if not running away from those issues. There's not embracing them. Well, I think, you know, the teachers unions spent the first two decades of the two thousand somewhat, you know, I decade and a half somewhat on their heels they had been pushed a little bit aside. Not they're not powerless, but they had lost some of their access particularly to political decision making at the. National and state level and despite the fact that they were kind of counted out by some folks, and especially in the context of the recent Janice court decision that hurts unions abilities to raise funds from their members. They are in the last year or so showing real new signs of, of life and vitality. In these strikes are part of that, but not the only part of that, as far as the teacher strikes. It's interesting if you compare to the Chicago, teachers strike in twenty twelve that didn't seem to get quite as well received in terms of public opinion in media coverage at the time and that looks rather different compared to what we're seeing now here. Exactly right. There's been a time in which it was seen as these teachers. They wanna keep these perks like tenure and that these labor unions, are really stifling innovation. And here we are in twenty. Eighteen twenty nineteen the sentiment now is with the teachers, I think some of the glimmer has come off elements of the reform movement, and that's helped the teachers to some extent, the reformers broadly speaking have kind of been controlling the levers through the Bush administration through the bomb at Dunkin administration. And yet, despite their, you know, insistence that failure to improve education in the past was due to obstinate resistance by teachers and teachers unions. They've failed to really budge the meter on, on educations achievement and -cation gaps what's more the test based accountability. That was a big part of the reform movement pushed down from Washington in the states did not play well in suburban communities and prompted pretty potent opt out movement among parents, and that I think opened. Up room for the teachers union to reconnect with parents and community based groups that they had lost some touch with earlier where do you think we are in terms of teachers and their political muscle at this moment in time? Well, teachers are in the unions, and sometimes it's important to distinguish between the two of them, but they're driven a little bit back more together recently are are in a stronger position than we've seen them in a while. But in terms of the enthusiasm, they bring and their ability to generate positive coverage of their activities there. Well, placed in, in the democratic primary in, particularly the teachers unions, the af tea and the NEA are really central actors again, as you know, they've always been important to the Democratic Party. But the candidates now seem to be running towards them rather than running away from. Mm them, Sarah Recco, Jeffrey Hennig. Thank you so much for coming in and talking with me to do very much Jeffrey Hennig is professor of political science education at teachers college Columbia, University, and Sarah Recco is an associate professor of political science at Michigan State University. They along with Rebecca Jacobson, or co-authors of the book outside money in school board elections. The nationalization of education politics. This week, we're marking sixty five years since the landmark supreme court's unanimous decision in Brown versus board of education, which ruled racial segregation in public supported schools to be unconstitutional. The clearing denied equal opportunity as a student, I always went to integrated schools, because I'm from Columbus, Ohio. That's Dr Linda, Tillman professor America university of North Carolina Chapel Hill. We didn't not as a city or a state experienced, the kind of resistance to the Brown decision or resistance to integration because in Columbus most things were integrated, and we'll Dr Tillman draws a contrast between her school experience and the experiences of black children in the south. She still knows she was treated differently. I would have been one of the kids that didn't ever see the guidance count. So the guidance counselor never called me into the office to say now, what are you going to do? What are your plans? None of the teachers expected me to do anything of event, go, working department store or go work for the government, because the big government facility was here still is here, I sat down with Dr Tillman to talk about the impact of the Brown decision on black educators fryer to Brown. There were eighty two thousand black teachers throughout the United States that taught about two million black kids who were mostly in the south who has attended segregated schools when the Brown decision was rendered lack educators, along with black children suffered the brunt of it, as black people, the black community thought this is a wonderful thing and what we thought would happen was that the Brown decision would lead to equal. Educational opportunities for blacks that black educated with more than ever plan important role in the socio emotional, no, an academic success of black children, and that black educators would continue to be leaders in setting agenda for black children. However, the south where the situation really was going to impact was so entrenched in a social and educational segregationist ideology. The opposite happened there was massive resistance. So all across the south, you saw teachers being removed from their jobs eliminated, from their jobs for all kinds of reasons. Even if they had master's degrees, or they had a PHD degree, or they had been teaching for numerous years. There were still ways some awar- is blunt as your fire. Tired, and some of them were a little more subtle, not much more. Settle talk to us a little a little bit about what that meant for communities of color. I think the most extreme example of how black teachers were displaced that filtered down into students and communities was Prince Edward county Virginia. So a nineteen fifty nine the, the local school district Hughes to give any funding for schools to stop in a Gration. So for five years, the black children in Prince Edward county Virginia had no school to go to so that meant the teachers had no jobs that meant the parents had no place to send their children that meant many of the children were separated from their. The parents and communities because the parents may have sent them to the north to live with their aunt to live with their grandmother to live with some relative, where they could go to school. So in that sense, it was devastating to the black community. So I was say the black church and the black school was the cultural center of the community. So black students were involved in athletics. They were involved in honor societies. They were involved in civic organizations. They went on to be doctors lawyers professors, so forth and so on. But when the schools were closed that then destroyed their opportunities to become educated into become participating citizens in US society, and what do we know? About especially for children of color. What it means to have a teacher, or an educator, that is a person of color. Researches have been reiterating that black educators principals. Teachers guidance counselors psychologists social workers can serve cannon do serve as role models to black students recently. It was the -partment of labor economics came out with a study that said, if a black student has a black teacher in elementary school. They are more likely to graduate from high school be interested in going to college. They're more black teachers or more likely to identify black students for gifted and talented advanced placement programs. So students do want same race. Affiliation. They do. You want what Jackie Irvine calls, a warm demand, or someone who is going to encourage them, who is going to prepare them who is going to tell them, they can be successful, even while they are operating in a white world as we think about African American teachers now, sixty five years post the Brown decision where are we in terms of the number of teachers today, who are African American currently, the teaching force in for the latest numbers. We have our twenty fifteen sixteen eighty percent white seven percent black six percent Latino. How do you evaluate Brown versus board today? Well, I mean, I think if you go back and look at it the ideals of Brown have never been accomplished. Some people will say it was just totally devastating. For the black community. Other people have said, it was more of a civil rights issue than educational issue. But I think the for certain the ideals of Brown that blacks would have equal access to education, experienced teachers resources without threat without threat that has never happened. We are in a period of massive re segregation, sixty five percent of all African American students in the country, live in what we call intensely segregated schools. Those schools with less than ten percent of white students, so we re segregated be and for number reasons. One of the reasons that twenty five states in the United States are allowed to succeed. From their district. So you have these wealthy white district seceding to keep their districts wealthy and white doctor Tillman. Thank you so much for coming, and talking with me, thank you for having me. Well, we heard from three experts on why the public has rallied behind striking. Teachers Democrats are no longer embracing reform movements like charter schools, but I was curious how voters feel about all this. Thankfully, the folks at USA today, pose those questions to Americans last September their poll found solid support from Democrats and Republicans for the right of teachers to strike and sixty percent said they approve of teachers unions this fits with af t president, Randi Weingarten substation, that the education system writ large, not just the more self centered focus on one's own school aged child is an issue that will resonate in twenty twenty even so views of teachers unions themselves are more complicated fewer than half thought unions, improve the quality of education, and majority of Democrats, and Republicans said the teacher unions, make it harder to fire bad teachers and sixty percent including almost half of Democrats think private and charter schools provide better education than public schools. What all those numbers, tell me, well, I American are more United than not on what they do. Wanna see from their public schools and school teachers sweet spot for a candidate running for office in twenty twenty is to support policies and positions that respect, current teachers in schools, but demand that the things Americans see as holding back a good education that teachers rigid rules or bureaucratic inefficiency are eliminated. Of course that's a lot easier said than done. But it's also reminder that voters understand solutions are complicated, and they don't always want to see major disruption as the answer. That's all for us today. Of course you can always find us on Twitter. I'm at Amy e Walter in the show is at the takeaway, thanks so much for listening. This is politics with Amy Walter from the table. Roll the credits. Wait I have to do that. That's mike. You okay. This show is made by a fearsome foursome of producers, and sound designers. And I'm going to read their names. 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Without National Strategy For School Reopenings, Parents Face Uncertainty

NPR's Story of the Day

06:54 min | 9 months ago

Without National Strategy For School Reopenings, Parents Face Uncertainty

"Water parents supposed to do is the start of school approaches. Many schools would typically reopen in August, but the pandemic leave some still unsure what to do schools face the further complication of teachers want to be sure they're safe and for parents, the bottom line is, how can they keep their kids safe and what can they do with their kids? NPR Education Reporter on accommodates is following this story. Hey, good morning combining Steve. People are talking about teachers, strikes, what what would that be about. So yesterday Randi Weingarten of the American Federation of teachers gave a virtual keynote and she said that they are authorizing strikes on the local level. If schools don't get what they need to open in person safely, let's listen if the authorities don't protect the safety and health of those we represent and those we serve. As our executive council voted last week, nothing is off the table and so by safety and health, she means the following the Union's own roadmap for reopening schools. For example, the AFC wants to see a positive test rate below five percent in the community and right now see that would leave out eight of the ten largest school districts in the country. Well. Okay. So. So. This is really interesting because there's not a national strategy for schools. Obviously, there are guidelines that have been fought over in that. The president has clouded different school districts doing different things, but it sounds like there is a national strategy on the part of teachers. Does this mean that any district that opens up without meeting those guidelines as risking a strike? Well, as you mentioned, I mean local conditions and also local union leadership relationships are GonNa vary. But if the membership in a particular places willing to do it what this says that the leadership has authorized it and you know this is happening as on the other hand. The Senate Republicans are right now bringing to the table, a Karuna virus relief package that is really leaning on schools to reopen in person. Out of seventy billion dollars that has been proposed in aid k twelve schools, they desperately need to reopen two-thirds is currently earmarked only two schools that plan to open their doors in person for at least some classes this fall. What does it mean for parents? Will you know Steve Millions of US rely on public schools for approximately thirty hours. A week of free childcare aside from education and socialization, and all the other benefits. Schools provide nine, twenty, nine, thousand, nine, you know three or four moms of school age children were employed. Nine out of ten dads were working as well. Okay. And some of those people have lost their jobs but as many as possible want to keep working or have to keep working. So what options do they have? Well, as you mentioned, you're a summer out of work through choice of their own. Some are choosing to step back to take care of their kids, and that has a lot of consequences summer saying especially for women's careers anecdotally I've heard many are not relying on grandparents as much for care because of fears about the virus, and so I decided to take a look at what is really been next, most affordable option out there besides family care. And those are in home daycares where someone takes in a few children and right now they take care about of about seven million children across the country, and you know these are small neighborhood businesses, some of which are licensed, and some are so small that they are exempt and interestingly across the country. Almost all of these providers are women and almost half are women of color and experts who look at this stuff told me that in home daycares a model that could potentially scaled up to meet this new demand for care for school age children if we had the right support scale up, so it already exists. The idea is to do a lot more of it are providers trying to do that? Yes. I talked to anti-european. She runs busy be childcare in Los. Angeles. funnest thing is watching the little ones grow Washington. As become people right in front of derived Caribbean chose her home. Because she thought it would make for a good daycare has a very large backyard I, call it a little park. Where we had slides and swings, Brenner, brench houses, and three fed. For the kids to enjoy and Most of the House, I would say about eighty percent of the house of dedicated to the daycare just have one small room at. Belongs to me, and my kid Grebien is struggled and even closed down for about a month and a half while the city was sheltering in place. But now she's back up and running, and she's even making space for school age children who will need all day care because the local public schools are starting the year remotely I was actually right before you called I was looking into. And, posters and all that stuff. But I'M GONNA. Get to put together the crash for the those kids right now, a group of pre K. and kindergarten students will be following their schools remote learning plans with green beans help. They'll share meals playtime with the younger kids all at a cost of about three hundred dollars a week for up to eleven hours a day of Care home-based provider of disproportionately continued to serve essential workers during the pandemic But they're also really struggling natalie, Renew Directs Homegrown a nonprofit organization dedicated to improving the quality of in-home childcare. She, says, these providers operate on razor thin margins at the best of times many live at the poverty line and also uniquely they worked in the place that they live. So you know destabilizing business also destabilize their housing advocacy groups are pushing for Congress to bail out childcare providers in the next crew in a virus aid package Republicans have proposed fifteen billion dollars. But renew says they're gonNA need much more really sort of looking over the edge of a cliff Then he's many providers are already starting to close health and safety is another key concern for in home providers. Renew says there isn't a lot of good evidence yet on just how safety settings might be, but there are. That given the small groups I and holidays child-care that the threat of transmission maybe do our their. Ribian. Serves many children of essential workers. She says, it's impossible to socially distance from infants or get toddlers to wear masks all day she in her employees may be a little nervous, but she says people are desperate for income at the moment show. Even if they do have some reservations, priorities, tickle. Okay. So given all that on your comments, is this a hopeful story? You know on the one hand Steve. I am so impressed that there are all these women out there who are really ready and willing to take up the challenge and provide quality learning and socialization to all the kids that need it on the other hand. It's so troubling that they're being asked to work on such a shoestring fearing for their health and that without subsidies these daycares might have to close even as the need is growing. Purification reporter on. Communists. That very much. Thanks.

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Open Safely

Armstrong & Getty

37:31 min | 10 months ago

Open Safely

"Four hundred thousand families responded. Never heard anything like that and seventy five percent of them. Want, their kids back in school in September and a lot of employers with the actually follow what the schools people are doing and will adjust. Schedules because there shouldn't be a difference we should never be hitting errands against teachers or kids needs against. Parents needs to work and I think that employers rating mind. Discussions about sending kids back to school in the fall as The first voice you heard there was mayor de you. In New York they communist making sense, but they did a survey in a huge response. Usually people don't respond to these things right. They can whatever and fill in this out. People did fill out, said yeah. I want my kid back in school. And then they'll the whole discussion of well. How to how do I send my kid to school? They don't have a job so. Daycare and Blah Blah Blah employers, adjusting their schedules. Whatever at the end of the day we got to get kids back to school. We make it worth pointing out that the second voice you heard was a a a person, not making any sense whatsoever, Randi Weingarten from the teachers, association or one your giant teachers unions. But whatever we've got to figure it out. We gotTA figure out a way to get kids back in school. That everybody needs to come to terms with that. That is going to happen now. How are we going to do it exactly I think you're completely right. Multiple Studies multiple countries around the world from Asia. Northern Europe, to Australia that say listen the kids don't suffer from this disease, except in very very rare idiosyncratic cases, and they don't tend to transmit it as much as adults do because they're not infected in the same way now. The studies are preliminary, and perhaps we'll. We'll learn. Differently down the road, but for now the science seems to indicate that the kids will be just fine. What about granny will? That's an absolutely legitimate question we do have to protect granny. We have to protect the older invulnerable teachers and figure out a way to not screw them I. I get that, but we gotta quit allowing people to come in the studio. Shout questions at us. Stop it so. The one thing that bothers me about the discussion. Though is you hear this over and over again? You'll hear five times today if you follow the news and he probably shouldn't will make you crazy, but. Well yes, we do. A lot opened up the schools, but we need to find a way to do it safely. There is no perfect safety. There is a horrific lack of safety in keeping the kids at home. I should back in school I agree with you once Greta. Thank you Mike. You have not only terrible depression and anxiety problems because the kids don't get the play. They don't get to see their friends. They don't interact But the the teenage suicide rate is on the rise again and way more kids are going to die from suicide. 'cause they're isolated, then could conceivably die of covid. I asked for some texts from teachers because I wondered how they felt I. Teach Kindergarten, and in praying will see my students in front of me this fall. The plan right now is for them to come twice a week. which is better than all online a guess I would prefer every day. God, I think if you come up with the mechanism to get him into school, and you think it's safe enough to be there at all the minute every day. Yeah I. It's it's pretty questionable, but we got this text. eighty five percent of my teacher peers elementary school do not want to return. They're really scared about their health or passing the virus to someone they live with. That's that person's experience. That is a great challenge again. We're not here to pitch one. Point of view one hundred percent in in run down the other point of view, one hundred percent and over simplify everything. The media insults your intelligence by doing every single day, but yeah, that is a challenge. How about a fifth year old teacher with mild asthma? About a sixty five year, old veteran teacher made it a great teacher. Maybe they're a real gift to the children they interact with, but. Can you demand that a sixty five year old? Get into the Petri dish of of Elementary School for instance are high school. I work at a high school. Many of the teachers want to return to business as usual, which is the current plan of one a hybrid approach. They all missed the students. It's difficult because getting reliable information about covert is so hard yen. No doubt Yep so knowing how to responsibly reopen. His is also difficult. Yeah, that's true when you're when you're getting regularly changing information about who? Who spreads at how at what point in having the infection, etcetera, etcetera, it does make it harder. It's part of the conundrum of the the whole novel. Koran, this is a new thing. And people are learning as we go, and we're not used to that as a society where being able to go to the Internet and figure out what's happened I would just like the discussion to be a little more balanced and intelligent than it is recognized. There are terrible terrible risks to keep in the kids home. As an Idaho Teacher I. Just teaches about the state of Iowa. Idaho state capital major exports, etc, right accent, the the curious shape of the state. Fat at the bottom thin at the top as an Idaho teacher I desperately, WanNa go back to school I had to do twice as much work in ten twice as many meetings during the school closure I can believe that that it was way harder and way more knowing yeah and. Jay everybody knew everybody agrees. The so-called remote learning has been a disaster. This is a good angle here, Jack? Ngo Joe's here to thanks. High Hubby is an elementary special. Ed Teacher. The kids with Autism Down's syndrome, intellectual disability, mentally retarded his name now call intellectual disability I didn't know that he knows they need to get back to school. Tucker Carlson mentioned that low that Latin last night. A lot of kids that have special needs. They're not getting what they need at all by not getting into the school. Because a lot of the services we provide as a society and I'm happy to support that. are delivered through schools. Desk my sister who's an elementary schoolteacher? She feels about the whole deal. I would be interested in hearing that. It's got to have an the you know. I hadn't thought about that before, but clearly you would have a different view thinking of Sam's third grade teacher who was like twenty five years old. And Single I'm sure she'd be fine with the going back to school. If I'm older and have a health problem and live with my maybe even older husband, not so much yeah, or if you're my trigonometry teacher in high school, who is roughly a hundred and hated children. I mean what what would she think? On. So. or Another and The ages I I'd like to actually know the ages of my teachers, because I look back on them and they were, they were clearly in their hundreds. Forty six Santosh who talks about some old teachers younger than me. Yeah. Hey, how. extraordinary. Is it that various universities including Harvard have announced no glasses all next year? No, no way that's some. Doesn't that seem premature hasty. I mean I get? I suppose I could get the idea of look. We gotta pick one or the other than go full after it and do it the best we can, and since we don't know that we can do in class where we commit to the other one I guess, but it just seems unnecessarily while hasty. I as spring. You got a bunch of eighteen to twenty three year. Olds Yeah I have a relative. WHO's GonNa start a graduate program in one of your major universities and they're not doing it so just GonNa probably the best thing that ever happened to her. Just GonNa lay out for a year. And then go back. You know assuming things get back to normal next year, but yeah. I don't I. Don't understand why they can't teach. Make, it, happen somehow with the the you know the least vulnerable population out there right right well again. Just a good balance discussion recognize virtually every the American Pediatric Association just said the kids got go back to school for a dozen different health reasons. You've got to get the kids back. What do you do I am? Absolutely school is going to happen. That's the way I would look at. It is going to happen. Kids are going to be school. That's not even a discussion anymore. It's just how we make it happen. That's the attitude you should have, but similar to the whole NBA problem. They have okay. Were there as soon as you get case in the? On the team or in the classroom now what so classic thirty Kids One kid test positive? He's not feeling good doesn't come in gets the test, had it? You know he's had it was spreading it before he left right. What do you do at that point? What about in a closed room? With thirty other people including the teacher at the point that you have one of the teachers in the ICU, the whole thing shuts down. Don't you think probably yeah yeah. Well so, can you open them? Then then that's a that's a reasonable discussion. Maybe backtracking a little bit. Can you open them and keep them open? Fernie lengthened need to do whatever they can to protect teachers. That's absolutely a valid concern. Because the way the Cova defects adults on the other hand. And if we have to put the teachers in space, suit or a bubble or behind glass or whatever? It's. It's got to be picturing some of my grade. Schoolteachers in a bubble one of those bubbles. You like rent to go out on a lake in. You're running on. Go around. One of those things may have maybe I hadn't thought about this much. It's unlikely to not think things through I'm. Sorry allergies. I, get every cold that goes through my son's Class I. You know I somewhat dread the school year because okay. Here comes me being sick all the time again season, if the probably lack of character, if anybody in the classroom gets the covert visit dislike when the cold goes through the classroom. Okay, it looks I'm getting the Cova now. And the great unanswered question would that be the best thing that could happen well, my my other son has got a practically no immune system for all these crazy medicines he's on go really were according to his doctor, really supposed to try to avoid bringing that into the house, so you end up in the You and your son ended up in the motel six for six weeks eight weeks. Yeah, that's not good well. It ain't going to be easy anybody who points out well. This is a challenge, and that's a problem, so you just have to counterbalance that against the problems of keeping the kids. Tough one China if it isn't IMP. It's got to be way different than it was last year. Because we did the you know the surveys here. You heard it. If you're listening from teachers and students, nobody ranked at above like thirty percent of effectiveness, compared to regular school, and people were around twenty percent. Right, so it's got to be better than that and it has to be changed the topic. Have you heard about the? Giant Group of lefty writers, thinkers and intellectuals who signed a powerful letter against canceled culture. This is good stuff. You hope that sanity can be restored it for you in moments. Take. The. Armstrong and getty show. We missed the story last week about that Semi truck full a hair that they the that they stopped illegal hair. We gotta do that story. I'm sorry I thought you said hair. An entire semi truck full of legal hair. Illegal hair. YEA, from China. Oh, in the United Minute. I did hear that Ellen, wigs or Stores. Probably taken from prisoners worse, you know the forcibly from concentration camp yams. Yeah, we'll find country China biggest millions of dollars with a human hair because hair buston nation's history, so I'll occasionally say with at least mild sarcasm. Don't give me hope because it's only if I hoped that I'm disappointed, so I'm going to. Do you the disservice of giving you a little bit of hope. A. Group of more than one hundred prominent liberal writers, perfect professors and activists. Have come together and signed an open letter against cancel culture. The list of folks is long out. Dig Up the whole list. Maybe you could do that Sean real quick of your mind. J. K. Rowling of Harry Potter Fame New, York Times, opinion editor Barry, Weiss political activists Noam Chomsky. All sorts of people have signed this letter and I will read you parts of it. It's entitled a letter on Justice and open debate. Our cultural institutions are facing a moment of trial. Powerful protests for racial and social justice are leading the overdo demands for police reform along with wider calls for greater equality and inclusion across society, not least in higher education journalism philanthropy in the arts, all right fine and Dandy. Everybody's for quality. But this needed reckoning also intensified a new set of moral attitudes and political commitments, the tend to weaken our norms of open debate and toleration of differences in favor of ideological conformity. As we applaud the first development, we also raise our voices against the second. Then they go ahead and give their liberal Bona Fides including calling president trump a real threat to democracy. You mentioned Chomsky. You can't get any more. Left the Noam Chomsky, but he's the old left. Right where you would have these discussions and not hound somebody out of their job. Oh that reminds me I gotta get to that Boeing executive who was hounded out of his job for for something he said thirty years. I'll tell you right now. Thirty years ago. He said I don't believe women should be in combat. Wow, that's head, which was an eighty five to ninety five percent attitude thirty years ago. It's probably seventy five now. But yeah, he was forced to resign his pressure to resign. Troubling, this is what these people are talking about. I promise anyone when I'm. You will not have to pressure me to resign. You'll, you'll have to chain me to my chair to keep me. No I'm gone anyway. It also warns that the resistance should not harden into its own brand of dogma or coercion too late. Insisting that an intolerant climate has played both sides of the aisle, the free exchange of information ideas, the lifeblood of liberal societies daily becoming more constricted well. We have come to expect this on the radical right. I suppose maybe like the way right censorious nece is also spreading more widely in our culture, an intolerance of opposing views of vogue for public shaming and ostracism and the tendency to dissolve complex policy issues in a binding blinding moral certainty, we uphold the value of robust and even caustic counter speech from all quarters, but it is now all to comedy here, calling for swift and severe retribution in response to perceived transgressions of speech and thought and one more a little bit. More troubling, still institutional leaders in a spirit of panicked determined control are delivering hasty disproportionate punishments instead of considered reforms. We are already paying the price in greater risk aversion among writers, artists and journalists Oh. You're kidding me livelihoods if they depart from the consensus or even lack sufficient zeal in agreement, anybody who's in the public eye. All who hasn't had those feelings, you're crazy. You're crazy. You're a you're not reading the room. You raft to be careful and scared of what you can and cannot say Yeah Yeah so New, York Times columnist David, Brooks and Michelle Goldberg signed this letter CNN host Farid Zaccaria Atlantic, writer David Frum handmaid's tale author. Margaret Atwood feminist icon Gloria Steinem among others I'll signing onto this letter. There is hope that over fifty liberals those are the one standing up for that sort of thing. Yeah, there's hope though that they can at least talk. Some sense to the youngsters enough sense to to hold back the tide of the so it doesn't go any further and let these people recover their senses and understand that. No offense because I was guilty of this myself. The ignorance of youth plus the enthusiasm of youth should probably not be granted dictatorial powers over what a society is allowed to say. That's why you should have to be thirty five. I agree completely or really speak in public. We'll let me say thirty if you have A, full-time job. Armstrong and getty. The Armstrong and getty show. Brennan Talk China. China's. Biggest country in the world China evil by the way. So, just a quick follow up to our previous segment talking about the group of more than one hundred liberal writers, activists thinkers teachers, et Cetera, who signed onto a letter calling for the end of cancel culture and the ideological fascism the left. which I think is admirable and I'm glad they did it from the Department of almost so much irony I can't stand it. A Trans Woman. WHO WORKS AT VOX DOT com. Noticed that her colleague Matt Iglesias's. was assigned the the letter that were discussing. She says, of course he's entitled to his opinion. He's a nuanced thinker. He's been kind to ease promoted my work, but it makes me feel unsafe. That! He signed that letter. I don't want to be reprimanded or fired, even asked to submit an apology. but I do want to make clear that those beliefs cost him nothing. They're not particularly risky. They're not particularly sound even. The. You are insane. Emily Vander were F-. You are so twisted in diluted by your ideology. Your defending the indefensible, and if you'd never liked to discuss that I would be born in delighted to do that, but that is a an amazingly retiring I will give credit for saying look I. Don't want the get fired or anything like that. You know what like a GNOME Shaam. Which of you know his his act? I mean in my mind. He's a crazy person, but he's. He's an old school illiberal him. Bill Maher Matt Taibbi liberals like that Sam Harris. You know what they have in common. They believe they're all forgetting on a stage with somebody else's idea. They believe their idea will win the day if everybody gets to have an argument, right? Apparently, the crowd and the streets does not believe that or the you know the the the dachshund crowd. You must not believe your. Your argument would win the day because you will not even allow the other side this is. To make a peep. Oh, and there's no arguing that the post. World War Two period in the US. You fifties. Sixties were period at great conformity and enforced conformity, and a lot of these people spent their entire lives, saying dissenting opinions must be heard. You cannot silence me because you don't like my ideas. And they won the day, and they have enough moral courage in enough character to say wow, what I campaign for my whole life is now being killed by my own side and I won't have it so good for Y'all we might disagree on everything but I. Admire your commitment I indeed even signing. This letter is putting their careers at risk in a proof of what they've said. Yeah I want to get to the China stuff tiktok stuff, but I'm just reading more on this Oregon. Man Driving Stolen car crashes into woman driving another stolen car. Does anybody buy a car in Oregon or rent one? This is quite a story well. At least she's a police chase ended in Oregon, when a driver fleeing authorities in a stolen car crashed into a woman. And they realized she was also driving a stolen car. That's just something Oregon's experiment with lawlessness like California's, and she states I n drunk, so she's the. Common Five Years I. Don't even know what we're doing. Good, looking guy, they'll make a good couple. Yes, Kinda sketchy premise because they're both obviously criminals, but that'd be like. Charming criminals. who only did that because they're you know? Divider right forced into crime out of desperation. They needed a medicine or something bad whatever I don't have. The TIKTOK APP on never had it on my phone I. Don't think my daughter sends us charming dog. Related tiktok videos on a fairly regular basis. She has the actual APP yet. I've seen plenty of TIKTOK videos like on twitter or various places. But the tick Tock. APP is well. It's becoming less popular in Chinese. Own Company and according to let's hear from Mike Pompeo yesterday's the secretary of State for the United States with respect to Chinese apps on people cell phones. I can assure the United States. Right to Laura. I. Don't WanNa get in front of the president, but it's something we're looking at. What do you recommend that people download that APP on their phones. Private information in the hands of the Chinese Communist Party and lots apps are good at stealing your information. This apparently is really good at it getting into your phone and any other device attached to your phone. Like. If you got the apple stuff, it troubles me. How like I got an IPAD for my kids to use for minecraft and stuff like that took me a long time to figure out how to not have my texts. You know any of my texts between my wife and I. Are you know worker whatever? oftentimes not stuff. You want the kids to see showing up on that IPAD. Right or whatever laptop you get, we'll tick. Tock has a way to get into everything. Once you download it and It has been It's still exists in the United States. I'm kind of surprised by that. Did you see the statement from Tiktok? They said. We have an American CEO. We have never given any information to the Chinese Communist Party and if if they ask, we'll tell them. No, which is a lot like me, saying any cop tells me to put my hands behind my back and no way I'm doing it. Yeah Oh. Yeah, TIKTOK SO CHAIRMAN! She says yeah like to have a meeting with you're gonNA. Tell them you're too busy. Chinese company. That's hilarious. India banned the APP last week. Really Yeah I'll be danged and were considering banning it in the United States. Great Britain where they do have the tick tock. they have because of the TIKTOK APP now soured on the idea of letting wall way provide their five G.. Cell Phone Service, which is good news for the free world, because it looked like Europe was going to allow the commies to install their cell phone systems and have access to frigging everything, which was astonishing at the time and remains astonishing Jewish. Ever thought of it curious what the banning of an APP mechanics are like, is it? Can we just keep that out via like a firewall for just kind of a generic term? Question automatically. Get deleted off your phone if you've already downloaded it no idea. I have no idea. If I get caught with them. I, am trouble or does it. Yeah, who is in charge of getting it off my phone? How do you block something off the Internet now the Chinese are pretty good about with. Others but yeah, but we don't have national firewalls right right the great firewall of China they call it Yeah I. Don't think that's true. No thousands of years it is the protesters that the people who are against it in China called the great firewall. Show the government trying to call. From being able to communicate or get two books, they're they're not supposed to read. And all that sort of stuff. truly just frigging amazed. Oppressing people isn't easy. Work Jack you need a little help here and there. Yeah, firewall! Draconian horrific laws in Hong Kong. Harvesting people's hair exactly gotta break a few eggs, so they found a semi truck in the North East stopped it for whatever reason it was full of illegal hair. From China? They believe headed to various wig shops. In that sort of stuff. Millions of dollars worth total. Wow, that's a lot of dollars. Worth of hair head packed in there tight. Uniform Hair delay shaved. It doesn't take a lot of space. You could have a hell of a lot of hair pack tight. You pack packet and bricks of Harriet is not just a pilot hair like the barber shop. Oppress it down in package. It looks like kilos cocaine ship it about. Policy safely in the. Clandestine hair trae. He loads of I suppose he yet. You separated by color. You got the darker you got. The lighter you got. The the red I. think is mostly darker coming from Chinese, dissidents are probably not. A, natural blonde, not a ladder air there in Wootton, but they think yet comes from the slave, slaves, the slave, labor, or the concentration camps, or whatever they're just shaving people and Salome hair and there were accompanied. That's this is the part to try to figure out. Are these companies knowingly buying Chinese prisoner hair? Did they were? They misled while in Heck in China may be slaves, shaving the other slaves hair. Because that's what doing business with China can be. An all the big American corporations, making great shows of their moralism these days that regularly do business with China and Saudi Arabia and the restaurant part of my slave aftershave other slaves. Yeah, oh, sure absolute. there they've introduced the Karen Act. In California One San Francisco, lawmakers interesting, Karen Act to tell to outlaw racially exploitive, nine one one calls Oh. Shut up. Just right. I resent being put in the position where I have to explain why something indefensible shouldn't happen. Cut, you, who who's in charge of this I wanted to. Give me name now. You haven't mentioned that. That's not the name. Connect is actually an acronym that you get the acronym part of it. Because it spelled C. A. R. E. N. as opposed to the typical? You know when you're when you're making fun of people on Twitter US spelling. It's the caution against racially exploitive non Emergencies Act. Out of their way to make it spoke and I introduced by San. Francisco stupid. VISOR Shaman Walton. MR OR MS Walton. You are a crackpot. You're a bad American I pray for the day you leave office. Now making a false report is already a crime, so does this is just like in a multiplier if you make a false racial. Racial well okay. It's like a hate crime. Thing because you know, say me hitting. Joel and the head is already a crime, but if he's black, then you add in. It's a hate crime so I guess. The Karen Act is similar. I suppose Making false report is crime, but if it's. By Meitner, blankets and extra crime, is there any group of human beings on earth that has to roll their eyes more than the San Francisco police, the Portland place and the Seattle police. In this bill amends the San, Francisco Police, code to make an awful for someone fabricated report based on someone's race, ethnicity, gender, affiliation, religious affiliation or sexual orientation. There's a gay fella gay being right in front of my house. What color is the sky in your world, you? Your skull is completely numb. I just I can't believe what the world is turning into. So. been wanting to talk about this. A little more I'm scared to. Even though statistically, it's easily defended. the whole. Hey, if black lives matter how come we're not paying attention to these various cities that have just exploded. Even, by their standards in black on black violence, children being gunned down horrific. Yeah, it, it's something and some people are speaking out more on that coming up. The Armstrong and getty show. With this you know, I was asked. Probably twelve questions about the confederate flag This president's focused on action and I'm a little dismayed that I didn't receive one question on the deaths that we got in this country this weekend I didn't receive one question about New York City shootings doubling the third straight week, and over the last seven days shooting skyrocket by one hundred forty two percent, not one question. I didn't receive. Receive one question about five children who were killed, and I'll leave you with this remark by data broke my heart. A data of an eight year old lost in Atlanta this weekend. They say black lives matters. You killed a child. She didn't do nothing to. Nobody was his quote. We need to be focused on securing our streets. Making sure no lives are lost because all black lives. That of David Dorn and that of this eight year old girl, thank you. Doesn't help unheard of shut up. That's trump's a press person right there. While you heard what she said, and now we'll hear from Terry. Crews was on CNN with Don Lemon talking about this. One oppressor to the nets and one thing the religion who's next wrestler? WHO's the next suppressor when I when I described this? When you look in the city of Chicago, there had nine children who died by gun violence by black on black gun violence with from June twentieth all the way today. Even with the Atlanta child murders or twenty eight kids who who died in two years. You're talking about a month. You have nine black kids and the black lives matter movement has said nothing. So I get worried. You're talking about these things especially now. You know because we have a friend who said all lives matter and no longer has a career. But the overlooking of the fact that it's just typically so true. It's not even close right if you're a young black man and you're going to die by being shot. Overwhelmingly. Statistically, it's going to be another black dude shoot since thousands to one those to a police officer shooting you in your on arm or a scared white suburbanite. Right like I saw a story in the newspaper over the weekend. About a gun sales are up for for African Americans. Black people buying guns, and it was all about scared about worried about scared white people. With with so little attention, being played paid to the black on black violence that goes on, and and that's a tough narrative. That's a tough story to discuss. That's not easy and pardon me black and white, but it's so. It's so difficult to get to even start down this road because people start into the either or either gotTa be discussing this one or this one, and this is just a diversion away from racist cops and in institutional racism. Even if you WANNA believe, cops are racist and we have in solution racism. You still have to deal with. The statistics of the black on black violence in whether it Sam Harris's podcast that I tweet it out I mean just full of stats back in this up, and it's Terry crews. A black man was pointing out there. Why do black lives matter? If black lives matter is your point. You've got to include it all. Yeah, and if you're just looking at numbers of dead bodies, it's overwhelmingly from other young black men. I don't mind the fact that a group might just concentrate on police violence. Sure you get to do that I. Mean The folks who raise money to fight leukemia. Don't have to fight no money to raise money to fight heart disease not obligated to the same time. The the Monolithic media narrative that the problems. Problems of black America are white people in White. Racism in in a nasty white cops is just it's not true. There are no statistics. The bear that out that's not to say. It's not a problem we're living. We're proudly small L. Libertarian around here. We think the idea of government official whether it be a copper tax collector, a county building inspector, abusing the citizens of a free country. We find that horrific and disgusting, and wherever it's found, that should be rooted out and ended having said that. I mean the the death. Toll is terrible from black violence. Well the quote there that you heard from trump's haughty White House press spokesman there I've seen a number of older black. Men and women. They're usually older light grandparent's age who are really making the argument. Hey were killing each other. How come nobody's paying attention to that? What are we gonNA do about that. We're killing each other. It's like like constantly. Yeah, maybe the the word of the the decade is nuance. All nuances being lost. I mean you can't even get to like level two of a discussion. Never Mind level five where you get down to. The really difficult discussions now or just shouting slogans at each other, and it's a it's a little discouraging, and I can't imagine Lebanon neighborhood where you have to worry about that sort of thing all the time. Yeah, I know I. It's absolutely terrible. It's oppressive in and it's. and. It is to my mind. I believe what I believe in. You can believe what you believe, but it's the result of the policies the last sixty years. A lot of this stuff is it is dismantled black families. It's disincentivize raising your own children disincentives of fathers staying at home. It's glorified. Exactly. The wrong behaviors subsidized the wrong behaviors. It's terrible. And I just I don't know if I could wave my magic wand and communicate one thing. It would be to a lot of our. Black brothers and sisters to say I don't think the democratic. Party has your best interest in mind at all now. I. Don't know if the Republicans do either. But, if you keep voting ninety percent for one party, they're not GonNa do anything for you. Serious stuff. Do you have anything humorous? They're looking around Sean what for turned to me. Hey. Sean! Tell us a joke. Get us out of this offer situation. Remind Weenie interviewed and Suara Z's is his name and season. Sorry I was not. Many Think that's a river in Egypt? Anyway thing you said we get your words straight. Jack we interviewed him and we said we'RE NOT GONNA ask you to be funny. We're GONNA. Talk about various stuff because you know you know. People have gone, and they think you're going to be funny and you're not doing your actor. And he said yeah, he said I appreciate that. Because a lot of times I go on radio shows and people want me to be funny and I think yeah meeting a banana guest. Bananas are kind of fine. Yeah. So. No, we can't turn to Sean and just say be funny. More signed sports ain't gonNA happen. I mean I hope they do but several major league baseball teams have shut down their camps because they can't get the tests. So. It's they're trying, but it is just flounder looking for a good answer for why that is. Armstrong and getty.

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"Support for boston. Public radio comes from caredimensions. A community based nonprofit hospice provider. That has been helping. Families deal with advanced illness for forty years. Learn more at caredimensions. Boston public radio right off the top. We'll get your take on governor baker relaxing capacity rules then congressman alexandria ocasio. Cortez took instagram counter. Experienced during the insurrection. She revealed that she's a survivor of sexual assault credits. Lying of emotional manipulation media maven. Silicon will join us the response. Is's account shows. We probably haven't moved beyond me to massachusetts vaccine rollout has been slower than most other states and scheduling website and failed by acres teams proven cumbersome and inefficient tech run. Andy nocco will join us for consultation and how baker could make the website smoother and more user friendly later in the show will be joined by senator elizabeth warren. We'll talk wall street. Regulations student loan debt or wealth tax proposal and more while that ahead on boston. Public radio eighty nine seven. Gp h margaretha. And you're listening to boston. Public radio eighty nine seven. Gp h. hello jim mortar. Houria excellent good good so citing a decline find too by the way citing a decline in hospitalizations and a new coronavirus cases. Governor baker is raising capacity limits for jim's restaurants libraries museums retailers offices places of worship and other institutions from twenty five to forty percent. This comes as the state continues to decline in. It's vaccination rate rankings. As of today we just checked a few minutes ago. we are in forty fourth place. Guy administered fifty four percent of the doses that we have. We're opening lines asking you. Is this the right time to boost capacity or not if you work or own businesses that will benefit from it can. The increase capacity isn't going to help your business or it's still too little or on the other end of the spectrum. You think this could undermine the progress we're making stopping the spread of coronavirus a numbers. Eight seven seven three zero one eighty nine seven. I am so confused about this thing. My impulse is People are talking about a fourth surge. The variants are in the wings. Obviously governor baker is right. The numbers are progressing in a positive direction but super bowl. Sunday is just too as yeah. Two days away I really mean. I have great sympathy for these business. But the marginal helpless is going to provide to these businesses. I think in my estimation is offset by the fact. We're still doing horribly on the vaccine. Hopefully he's going announced the call center today. He said he'd do it by the end of the week. We'll let you know that. But i would have held off until we see what the super bowl and the variants do here and stay at the twenty five percent by the way the is going to be with us on february eighteenth. We haven't talked to him in quite a bit so We'll get ask these things directly but right now we're you eight seven seven. Three zero one eighty nine seventy. What do you think. I think that. I have a job. And i think a lot of people are really struggling. And we don't have any help yet What we did have helped before. But we're still not producing the money from the biden plan and We just heard the job numbers and the economic numbers are pretty bad. And i think the vaccine is going to get better. This was a lousy rollout Like we've had bad rollouts before in massachusetts not to mention the lousy obamacare rollout. So to me. I wouldn't do it. I wouldn't go sit in a restaurant now. But i think these people are really struggling and i get to be struggling more if it turns out this backfires and by the my concern is it's sort of like what we discussed with on the other day but the super bowl and twenty two thousand people in the stands. Charlie baker knows a lot more about this kind of stuff obviously than we do and so i'm assuming he believes i'm sure he believes this is going to be in the best interest in the commonwealth. However the part that he can't estimate is what's the message at sending its sending. We're doing well. You can go up higher capacity at a restaurant museum etc. Does that not say even though he's an unsafe to the contrary that were beginning to be out of the woods. I don't see it that way and it makes me nervous. There's always going to be a balanced and worse getting of this disaster. We talked about not wanting to overwhelm the hospital system. We're not going to overwhelm the hospital system. Happily we have better treatments for covid more people getting vaccinated and even if you do get sick and you're not vaccinated. Your chances are better for surviving because we know more about it now so again. I think there's a balance here and and i i. I am not concerned. I mean many people may still get sick. that's reality obrenovic. If you're cautious you wear your masks. You are careful about it I think we can do. People can't buy food. Jim okay so quickly before we get to the calls. let's zoom. you're a small neighborhood restaurant. The kind that you and i go to the independent mostly whatever one's fifty seats at twenty five percent capacity relied to twelve people in your restaurant at forty percent. You're twenty you go. From twelve twenty that increased for that restaurant tour and his or her workers worth potentially increasing the risk of a whole population. I don't think it is and the bigger places that have higher capacities were forty percent will mean more are the ones that can survive this problem. More than small independence got i admit. I don't know the answer. The question to and i think the most important. There's there's a balancing act. And i guess if i were the waitress that didn't have any money and i was getting called back to work. I would think this is great. Thank you governor charlie baker. So i guess you until until the customer get sick and then you're not working at all in your places closed down. I mean this. You do acknowledge. Even though i respect your position. Obviously you're where the governor isn't your again. He knows more than we do. It's risky it's really. It is risky. Risk is but does not science tell us that the riskiest thing is what we're all doing on our houses having people over having family members of people over. Well i know but i mean the school still close. Even though we're going to talk to the head of the biggest teacher's union in the country in a few minutes the schools are still closed. Even though the science says spread. There's is not happening. Everybody's life totally disrupted by that size is also saying that the the significant spread is not in restaurants is not gyms. It's in our own homes. So i guess we either gonna follow the science or not gonna follow the science and the science is saying something different than what some of us are willing right. And one of the reasons it's low in the restaurants. I would argue because the capacity has been really low so people go. Is the message from the governor. Yesterday i inviting to them. I don't know eight seven seven three zero one. Eight thousand nine hundred. I'm angst about all this stuff. So i am and we have to. We have to. We have to all remember that. Jimmy has a hypochondriac tendencies. Hypochondriac have to do with being an angst being siam hypochondriac which is a relevant. Because you haven't moved off the couch and you're not gonna move the couch. Couches is doesn't mean okay all right. You're on the third floor now. Everybody has to stand the couch until june. Which is what you're doing. I'm not sure that you're the person we want. Follow this particular. Maybe valid jessica. Your i thank you very much for calling. We appreciate it all right. Thank you so much for having my I I guess my. I'm kind of all over the place in my thoughts as i'm listening but it it does bother me that we are doing this by. Oh everything looks good now. So let's let's open it up and then when it doesn't look good then we got to shut it down so there's all up and down. I agree with your statement about the fact that we don't have our schools open completely but yet you know. Are you know the the fact that we need to be entertained and must go out and have dinner and elaborate things and Seems to be more important for we. This how we feel in this country. I find that infuriating sometimes. And just other jessica yeah. I just want to interrupt real quickly. Baker wants to schools open. He's not the one that stopping so it's the teachers that are and some parents yet. Just keep going. Yeah and and i. I i i hear that and i'm just i think our priorities tend to be a little mixed up ya industry and the economy is a problem was a big issue in rhode island. We ended up. Having you know governor shut down for the three or four weeks Back in november december But you know. Here's the other thing. And i hate talking conspiracy and it's not mine is my husband's completely you. What biden gets elected and all the stuff starts opening up and there you go see any and he looks at me. He's like the. I told you so. And that's not fair because you know the scientists that have we have this virus that we cannot contain. We don't have enough people vaccinated. You know it is. It's sad to think that you know there's no real good rollout here in to think that massachusetts with the most the best hospitals in the country. It's forty s on the list. I mean hey jessica kinda give you advice. I know you didn't call for advice. But can i give it to you anyway. Do you mind. Stop talking to your husband. One pop really good. Thanks for your call. We really appreciate you. We all are. I mean conflicted. I who knows who knows what the right move is here who knows what the right move is that for. President trump predicted that That if biden one we stopped talking about coronavirus election. Dead these assay. That has not happened to go ahead. The car thanks for calling. Hey good morning. Thanks for taking my call listener. First time i've been able to get through love that thank you so to the question you know. Is this the right thing to do. You know this is a calculated risk. You know the reason the teachers don't wanna go back to school. You want to be the one of the thousands who get sick and gets hospitalized die. I mean there's risk to this. It's not you know. Risk free so reminds me going to a restaurant as much as i miss them. Kind of like you know. Dirty harry movie where he's holding a gun to the guy's ending. I don't know if i had six shot to seven. Feel like i read so i'm not going to everybody's vaccinated vaccinated and then i feel sorry for him. But it's the risk your on where you are lend but let me just eliminate marjorie. Because she's right about this when you talked about the teacher in the classroom. And i'm pretty much where you are on that What margaret says all the time. And she's right is the damage that's being done educationally. In psychologically to these kids a essentially cooped up in their houses for nine ten months is may be a far greater risk than being in the classroom. And that's what we'll talk to randi weingarten head of the american federation of teachers about about one o'clock len. We're really glad you got through for your first call and we hope to talk to you again. Well the thing is we. Don't say okay. We're only going to have one clerk in cvs because the clerks cbs or central workers and we need to get our prescriptions on our toilet paper. Whatever it is so we're gonna have really long lines at cvs because we don't have that many people in there you know it's just there are all sorts of essential workers have had to go to work every day and say this every time but let me respond in the same way every time what the cvs clerk cannot service the customer from her house a teacher even though it's not as good can educate her child is from home. Not real debatable. When we hear that kids don't even get on the computers in in so many instances and they don't have internet. It's inferior but i'm saying the things you compare it to or ones where you can't provide an alternative method if you were if a pharmacy is open you gotta be there if you wanna serve the customer. That's all i'm saying. I'm not saying it's risk-free but you have managed to figure out how to get all your pharmaceutical needs. I on the couch. I have had. I should start a blog. I should start a column from the couch on the couch from the couch. Literally whatever okay so a lisa a welcome to the show you're in i don't know where you are westboro. Hi hi good morning. I just wanted to reiterate that. I am completely on the same page as a player. Caller insane runner. Baker is relaxing restrictions. When our children's del cannot attend full time. Full time in person school. At this point i think he's essential right or teachers are essential workers just like the grocery store clerks and which i am an emergency physician myself. Yeah i'm with you. Should they need to show up at least but don't go away. You're another example of somebody. Who marjorie often compares teachers through. But i'll ask you to respond to my example for you to do your job and and by the way i admire you in ethically trust me. I'm not just saying that Do a cya thing. You can't do your work remotely. you can't do surgery or whatever it is you do during the day or help. Kovic patient only a teacher can do it remotely. Even if it's not as good marjorie right. I agree as in the classroom. So do you acknowledge that. There's a difference between the two jobs or no. Fear is absolute difference between the two jobs. But i would argue the point. That teachers can't do their job. Remotely i watch. My two children will they. Aren't they love their in school. They isn't at home. They have zero interaction with me. Lives fair mark on their remote. As i like. I said i'm number position. I had to go to work with on your exact life. I family my children just like they do so. I have empathy vision. I still showing up. There are plenty of other industries where people feel they cannot go to work and they were forced to take leave of absence. Our district for peter to do to see if you don't wanna come to school take aleve about otherwise to come. Lisa thanks for your work and your point of view. We really appreciate it. Eight seven seven three zero one eighty nine seven. We're talking about the the decision. The governor made yesterday. I think it's effective monday. Right february eighth us to increase capacity restaurants museums. Those sort of places that are open twenty five to forty percents by the way the gathering numbers. We should've said stay the same ten percent inside twenty-five percent outside not these businesses and he believes sits. Monte believes that's well he does. He believes it safe enough to do that. Because the numbers are going down. Henry said at the top of the hour. The death rate is not. I don't think is going down but hospitalizations and new cases are going down pretty dramatically and it clearly is not because of the vaccine because we have almost nobody vaccinated so we appear to be moving in the right direction but again. They're the variance out there a lot. I read this morning story. I'm sure you to margaret that. Some people think a fourth surge is a awaiting us. There's the super bowl full out and that sort of stuff. And that's why i urge not that anyone asked me a little more caution but But the governor again has access the for more information that we do jim brad. He's gonna be on the couch and i. I'm going to be on the couch for another couch now. I'm going to sort of of those little cares and we're going to be right back. I number eight seven seven three zero one eight nine seven o or be. Pr w. g. b. h. Dot org welcome back to boston public radium gym on the couch rowdy. She is marjory. I'm not an epidemiologist now. If you're just tuning in. We're talking about governor. Baker's decision announced yesterday to increase capacity from twenty five to forty percent for restaurants gyms places worship retailers etc. Same time we continue lag behind other states and getting people vaccinated this morning. Either forty third or forty fourth. You think we're at risk of accelerating the spread of coronavirus by further opening the state at this on this timetable. Or do you believe it was the right decision considering The damage that has been done so many businesses and workers by continuing to have very low capacity or by the way. A lot of places don't just have low-capacity a lot of places haven't even been open because the twenty five percent capacity level is too low for them to make a profit so forty percent. This is your argument. I would think may cause some small businesses to open the couldn't otherwise open and so. That's i guess an argument for marjorie and governor baker side of this debate. Thank you for calling. Hey harry hey. How are you good so i want to be cold about this because i get emotional year ago. I was flying back and forth from washington. Dc every week. No mass. But i could see. The population on flying was kept going down no matter. No one told me to wear masks. I would've warm out. But i didn't know we didn't know now a year from now it's time to open the schools have done such good jaw. We got a new guy in charge. I think the science says we should open the schools. Dr fauci says we should open the schools. Dr governor baker says we should open the out of the cdc the head of the american federation of teachers about her justification For not opening the schools. You're further delays an open schools up next so harry. Thank you very much for the call. Tim the shoe guy from worcester hora. Thanks for having me. Can you hear me. We can okay great. i a condolence the gym as were forty fourth in the nation On monday my girlfriend told me that we are forty nine. I'd like to know who is fifty. I i can tell you actually in a minute by the way we should say. Because we're getting emails. Rhode island new hampshire because we have a lot of listeners in both are in the thirties somewhere but go ahead ten. We'll tell you. Fiftieth in alabama. In this in the thing i've got from today it's updated twenty two hours ago. Okay so it's updated twenty. Fifth fiftieth place. Okay go ahead so i. My point is being from worcester or about a year ago had a walmart shut down because the two days in a row. They went from forty outbreak two eighty outbreak. And then they shut it down for two weeks so You know the best thing to do. I think is the shutdown these big retailers and let the small guys work well but the problem is the big. I'm not worried about the big retailer itself. I'm worried or i think you should be worried. And i know we will hopefully are about the people who work in these big retailers. Most of whom are low wage workers who are having a real hard time getting by so it's not the business itself that i'm worried about if they're a big boy but it's the people who work there. Hey tim thank you for the call. Eight seven seven three zero one eight hundred nine seven. Let me just say we discussed this. Yesterday i'm really hoping not that you're all tuning in to get advice from either of us early surely not from may be careful on sunday. The super bowl thing. I mean really you know. Christmas is one is bad enough. That people couldn't adhere to the rules on christmas and thanksgiving but christmas. Thanksgiving you're serious moments super bowls damn football game. You're watch with your friends in a some said yesterday. Zoom with the people while you're watching who you wanna watch it with. I mean be grown up about this and be safe for yourself and your neighbors and all that sort of thing yeah. Lots of people do the group text that got seven people on a tax johansen. Every ball that. Tom brady throws down the field adrian. And groton thank you for calling. Hello I want to side with jim on the issue of reopening schools because this virus is just so random and who chooses and how it affects who chooses that even if it's one or two or three teachers that get it then if that was a member of your family and they died like was it worth it for them to be teaching. I don't think so and we have no control. I'm not a teacher either. But there's no control over what these kids are doing at home you know are are they in big parties super bowl parties. You know with their parents. You just don't know and i think until we're vaccinated more and the risk is much lower. You don't even try to open up the schools. But i'm in that minority on this with jim. Yeah you are in the minority. And i can see the other side to adrian. Thanks the call. I hope you can as well and we should stop speaking for randi weingarten. She'll tell us our own perspective on this thing. I've heard read mostly her concerns about testing. Which is ramping up and a lot of schools around the country. This pooled testing brilliant idea should've started earlier but she'll speak for herself and roughly one o'clock in the president of the american federation of teachers and she'll be followed by elizabeth warren. Who's joining us today. At about one twenty. Where do you wanna go before. Dave realize you said. I'm sitting on the couch and on stopped. We have both failed to mention one of our favorite stories from our former radio. Life at at the commercial radio station the woman who sat on the couch so long and so constantly. it's true story by we. Google de she sat on the couch. Only as much as i do but never left the couch that ultimately make sure the radio her skin and the the fibers. We began to weave into each other so that she was stuck on the couch and she had to be surgically removed. Is that true or something to keep in mind jim. She has to be served. Had to be surgically removed from the couch. So a risk without to marjorie. We're all talking about risk assessment. No guarantee sitting on the couch never know he hit by a space laser. Going to get the mail you never know dave. I'm sorry to hold up your dave. Hello hi guys. I you know. I really looking forward to your new column. Jim from the couch so i think there's a lot of interest i'll be reading from the couch a complicated situation I go to work. I work with people. Coming out of prison a congregate environment. And the i also live in westbound two kids in the schools there and i just think you know. There's there are still risks of transmission. You know. I have some folks of serious health conditions in the homes that i work in and I feel like westborough done a tremendous job in terms of the hybrid model. It's not ideal but I really get a lot of credit to the teachers who have been trying to keep. Kids attention You know it's the worst imaginable scenario daughter. Who's a senior you know looking at empty college campuses but also you know missing out on the school play and those kinds of things but you know just a quick story. My cousin worked in an elementary school in pennsylvania and she brought the virus home from her School and infected her husband who we all love and cherish and he you know. He ended up barely able to breathe in the hospital for eleven days. So my theory on it. Is that like we should go slow. And you know maybe starting handing the hybrid model and just the were terrible at being patient as americans but i feel like we really need to have a high level of patients and trying to do this the right way as frustrated as it is for us and my wife and i and being home all the time. It's just. I think that going slowly as the way to go into Realize that you know it's it's a challenging time for all of your day before you go away considering the you do. I've been critical of many of the things. The governor has done about this but it took a lot of courage. A lot of governors. Don't have the courage on this front. That he has to say that speaking of congregate settings that prisoners should be in the top priority or because of how dangerous the settings there inside. I just want to do a shout to him for having courage to do something. It's not terribly politically popular. Dave the house about the the the slowness and again. I'm not going into a classroom. I'm working from home. But i think if we're going to go by science you gotta go by science and what the science is telling us. I mean the cdc reported nationwide. They've had a twenty four percent uptick in mental health breakdowns among little kids. Five to eleven. Th poor kids kids. Caller are just devastated in this message. The see the harm to the kids is indisputable is phenomenal and is there. Risk the teachers. Yes but you have to balance the risks. And that's my issue is that is that this is really a disaster for millions of children and it's not clear that it's a disaster To go back to the classrooms. If you go by the science on we really appreciate your call and your work by the way a thank you for doing that. Eight seven seven three zero one eighty nine seven. I think we have time for probably one more take hazel gloucester. Thanks for calling hazel. Hi my intern. Netting to your program very quickly. Because he may not have much time. I agree with kim. My main point is the mo if we did. The numbers have only chose started to drop and go in the right direction so let's schools but for retail Throw the other place listening up every person who gets sick. It's a fire. it's more of a chance to mutate and another patient for maybe another month. It could make a big difference too i. I think we need to go slow. The i'm with you a hazel. Thank you for the call. That's i don't know what the magic time is. A few more weeks maybe several weeks get more people vaccinated hopefully get through whatever variant crisis. We may And counter i. I think that's the wise way to go. But as i said you know for the fourth time governor baker has access. I mean he. It's one thing you a lot of things that we hate the word opine. But i about to use it opine about don't have life and death consequences kind of stuff does and i'm sure he takes it really seriously and i'm sure he appreciates that. I hope he appreciates that. People can have different. I mean he was for example. I assume you know aidan. And our other colleagues monitor his press conferences He was pretty tough the other day when he said you know part of the reasons for the slow roll out is because i made a decision but healthcare workers etc up top and he said quote. I'm not gonna apologize for that decision. But he did go on to say he understands the frustration. And i i want to say one more time. What's relevant to this the vaccine. I am assuming before we go off the air today. We're gonna have the details on this. This really important development. That should have happened. Sooners the collins center for people. Don of internet access don't have decent access. Don't have computer literacy. Because now we're in the seventy five plus range. Robinson is less of that He promised there'd be open this week. I assume it will be open this week. We'll which will provide a really important addition to the access to vaccinations. So i'm hoping will be able to share that announcing with you before we leave you today at two o'clock okay. Coming up good bye mayor. Hello secretary buddha judge. Sue o'connell joins us to talk about historic role as the first openly gay cabinet member and other headlines including what's been going on with a you're listening to eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady and marjorie. I just got a text from a friend of ours marjorie about something that we didn't mention that we should have right. There may even the npr news johnson. Johnson which is the only one shot vaccine currently in development serious phase of development applied for emergency use authorization today which is very big deal and he. This friend of ours made the point that i want to reiterate. The doctor brew lead researcher. Who's local made when he was on with me the other night in greater boston while the efficacy number overall is lower than moderna advisor in the seventy plus range give or take most importantly what the efficacy rate is in terms of preventing hospitalizations and deaths in the johnson and johnsons it. It's one hundred percent really. Nobody was hospitalized. No it's huge. So for those who were concerned that the efficacy rate overall is a little bit lower. It's in the seventies which again is still well above the fifty percent threshold that dr fauci said was critical. The beginning of this vaccine process of the johnson and johnson development is a really important one and maybe part of what governor baker say that israel it was johnson and johnson and cambridge madera. It's kind of It's great that our companies came up with these vaccination. I guess five at work with a german company but still they they would main the main ones. Okay sir can yet latest political headlines. And i want to introduce it. 'cause margaret last every time i say this is medium so called the media maven publisher of bay windows in the south and news. Any sense explainer in chief and political commentator medium fear emailer. Who has the boston public radio bingo card. You just got three media. I i remember. It was a call in an email. Who gets media maven my favorite. I don't think we've ever discussed this with you since you bring it up. Some of the best videos in the history of the early days of youtube. We're about the fights that happened to bingo halls between really old people. And i assume they're still there but i haven't looked at him and like fifteen years down. My my mom was a social director at Elderly housing complex in winthrop. Choose the president of the social club and she used to really enjoy a pudding people next to each other. You fight because she got such enjoyment out of it and they're great pitchers efforts smiling. I'm like what what were you doing. They were fighting. You know they used to call the golden nineties guardrail. Yes we'll talk to you so let's start with alexandria ocasio. Cortez sar on television last night. Giving giving a little thank shout out to staff and her own staff and the custodians everybody at the capital that helped to protect them and put their own lives on the line during this horrible. And i thought there she was very composed young woman in creamed extremely smart and the right wing. Really can't can't stand her anyway here she is. Here's some sound from her instagram. Live where she's talking about the trauma she experienced surrounding the january six attack on the capital and the dismissive response from colleagues in the gop. These folks who tell us to move on that. It's not a big deal that we should forget what's happened or even telling us to apologize. These are the same tactics of abusers. When i see this happen how i feel and how i felt was not again. Okay good yeah. I was just going to say is she was. She's been trashed for this. All over the place people saying up she wasn't survivor of sexual assault etc. Yeah i was. I was watching on instagram. When she posted that almost exactly as she did it and was so moved by her authenticity and capturing the moment in the feelings i think of who was in the capital that day and it has since she's posted at tested the levels of my patients and empathy to the backlash from people who should know better to what she posted especially the spinning of trying to make. It seem like she was both exaggerating. Which i mean. I don't know how you can exaggerate when you look at the pictures in the video and watch what. We watched Exaggerating what happened. And also her reaction to it and You know look at. I have great empathy for vice president. Mike pence i couldn't disagree with him more on almost every single level but he and his wife were in the capital And i feel empathy and sadness for what he had to go through and also outraged to people who don't even understand how the capitol complex is set up right now who have never been to. The capital never visited the capital. Never looked to see her office as well as colleagues. Republican colleagues office was not in the main building but the buildings are connected by tunnels if one building is breached to technically all. The buildings are breached. She was responding to the orders that were given. Everyone was told to go into lockdown She was justifiably. She's been getting threats and anyone wants to take a moment to look and see the level of death threats that this representative has gotten since she took office not just recently but since she took office and to not understand that just from a basic level that she would have a reaction of fear the way that she did and then onto calm compounded by coming out where i mean almost more than twenty. Five percent of women are victims of some sort of sexual assault. Almost thirty percent are victims of assault in general and to not have that trigger it. I mean i explained on twitter to to to a local republican. And i only say republican. Because i haven't seen any democrats who have been really criticizing her for being so honest. You know a boston city. High school went into lockdown. A couple of years ago and my kid's teacher stood by the door holding a baseball bat on the side of the door inside of the classroom. A shooting call right. There was an active shooter. It turns out it was outside of the building and not particularly on the school property that does not take away from the fear and horror that the the young adults felt or that. The teacher felt that she needed to protect at the door right. That doesn't erase it. Just because they weren't at the door and the lack of empathy that people have in what what representative. Ocasio cortez is doing here by sharing how she feels. I don't even wanna get into moving on park. Because i can't head will explode about how these these lawmakers whose lives were endangered just less than a just about a month ago are now ready to just forget that it happened. I salute her for being authentic and open. And if you don't have an empathetic reaction to what she's saying especially when her colleagues would do going through the same thing then. I think you really need to take a look in the mirror and wonder you know what what it is. You really care about if you don't care about Our our our lawmakers our citizens Being in danger and being afraid said the perfectly and the only thing on that is people have not seen a cossio cortes. An obviously it's available online. Check it out you said it is so authentic and so powerful and shame on the others kind just a quick update before move ahead here. Governor baker opened his press conference two minutes ago by saying. We're here to talk about a new call center we've launched. I'm sure that's a huge surprise to all the members of the media who are with us. According to the it'll be open. Monday we'll give you more details. We're monitoring it. It'll be open monday to friday but again the call center is opening. And secondly if. I may assume my apologies. The governor also announced there still for eligible people. Twenty thousand appointments currently available. At gillette fenway at at the springfield mass vaccination say. I don't know if you mentioned the reggie lewis center. But he mentioned those three before we move on from this su- if you given any thought to what it is that so i mean she's obviously a on on the left of the party. She's very progressive You know over with bernie sanders and you know it with our senator mark in the green new deal etc but there's particularly what is it about her. She's young she's looking she's really smart. She asked great questions. What is it that his so upset. These people about her. What is it well. yeah. I mean obviously sexism is. We can't deny the sexism part and we also can't deny I think that there's there's something about the fact that she has a together in ways in hetero normative sort of weighed the way. She looks in the way she acts that. it's it's it gives you more opportunity to hate her because you think she's more put together and talking about things at the same time. Listen this space that she inhabits quite authentically this this instagram and the tiktok all this would she. She came of age in remember how which is very young and the fact that she is able to do authentically. What so many are trying to do and themselves pence in pretzels. Trying to do what what what she's doing. I think really upsets them and remember. This is also a group of people that have been lied to for. You know five to six years. I understand you know. I'm a skeptic. I absolutely when i hear about things You know she's being hashtag jesse small at if i saw grotesque as soon as that happened i knew that wasn't real jesse's smell at is an actor who in chicago i guess. Four years ago said that. Two men wearing mega hats had put a noose around his neck and attacked him and he was targeted and it turned out that it evidence is that it didn't happen the way you said it happened. It may have been something that he set up And it was a huge hoax and it captivated america for a good four or five months. But you know. I'm a skeptic and i'm very critical about a lot of things as soon as that happened. I mean in the newsroom. Some of the young people were shocked when that came down. And i went. Oh that didn't happen that way. So i understand being skeptical about what you hear. Especially when it's a -rageous. I think the reaction to her is that she's not afraid to be vulnerable and authentic and an own and lean into her history as Now is a survivor of violence and also has a bartender. You know in a daughter of a middle class to the working class family So i think that it's just she. She's got the shield of her authenticity. Which i think really enrages some people before we move on. I going give another update from governor baker. The call center will be open. Eight thirty to five monday to friday. The workers there will speak. English and spanish translators available. In one hundred languages. You can access by calling to One one the last to confirm your seventy five or older. We're trying to find out if that means it's open today or will not open till monday. And i don't think we yet know if i assume they'll be able to make an appointment for you. We'll find out in a few minutes. Br break breaking news alexander. Graham bell called and said no kidding. We need us hall. We're talking to sue o'connell maven connell. We all recall that you actually get an interview with the former president donald trump and he told you something like love. Whoever you love. It's fine with me. You do your thing all right. Thanks so but things are really happening. No pun intended there of in the gay world under president Biden what's going on. I mean i. I was gonna say my stepped on my line marjorie. I was gonna say finally president trump promised me is coming true. So i guess i guess it was right so president biden Yesterday signed an executive order an executive. Memo which is kinda the same thing just basically saying that the rights of lgbtq. I people around the world are very important. And if countries don't treat lgbtq. I people with respect and lawfully there will be consequences from the united states of america. You know there are many countries where you seven seventy countries where being gay ski is criminalized and eleven that have the death penalty for sexual activity. So in eleven countries you could be killed for being gay and with biden has done here is basically be clear that a is taking back the moral leadership and moral authority about how you treat gay people in that will impact asylum seekers that will impact Whether or not a country gets financial aid from the united states and about lgbt hugh violence in in other countries. So this is. This is a huge change from where the trump administration was and it. You know it's also important. I think for those of us who are old enough to be to be have have been called immoral to be part of the moral authority that that the united states is trying to reclaim back from Where we were a few years ago. So that's exciting and then over at the state department we've got our very first Spokesperson ned price has taken the position And again this is now amplifying that this is. This is the person to whom we'll we'll be speaking to countries across the world and he's an openly gay person so it sends that message Kind of walking the walk and talking the talk And we're not so far away. I mean i remember when i was at the human rights campaign volunteer. One of the founders. James hormel from the hormel family know. He's one of the phones. Go ahead and he was a founder of the hr c. which is a the largest Game lesbian political organization Clinton bill clinton couldn't couldn't get them through as an ambassador luxembourg in it actually had to happen during a senate yep so that was and now you know we have a ruthless gifford here for massachusetts to denmark so we had a lot of lgbt. Mostly gay men actually Folks in in the world but the state department interesting because the consulates get to operate in their own little world sometimes and pompeo former secretary of state pompeo was made them ask permission to to raise a gay flag a rainbow flag during pride months which previously during the obama administration had happened almost every consulate. So these kind of the small changes and big changes that are restoring us to where we were so while i celebrate that. It's exciting that it's happening. It's also just a making right of where we were to get us back on the progress. But it's a big deal with ned price and It's also a big deal. Says he's a cia guy you know it's it's it's not just a lgbtq activists not that that would be wrong with it but he's an insider who has worked his way up through the ranks in is now the spokesperson for the state department. You know sue before we leave this james hermel. I never thought about it until you said it. I don't know why. Because i remember the thing with clinton is he james hormel as in spam. Hormel him he was. He's one of those people that you know. He's very wealthy was politically connected. He had all the trappings then passenger. Supposed to have and clearer taste to that by the way you were tasted that sam. I'm so often. Have spam as a fun meal or chipped beef on toast which my dad very colorful saying that. He would call it in school. That's all that's exactly what we called it on a shingle right. Hey by the way. An update on governor baker. If they're available appointments when you call the call center within driving distance request to be placed on a callback lists now. So you're afraid of person. I hope hope it's great. We had a niece asaba george on the other day. Obviously the third announced candidate for mayor all sitting councillors all women obviously michelle wu and andrea campbell. I saw very creative to have this dorchester resident running on an anti gentrification platform when he is a gesture fire. I found it to be really creative. Who is this guy. i never heard a resident. Who is it. Okay deep pelayo. I think it's like i couldn't find any where we're saying is dame yes. He's he's He's he says he's been working on issues. He's lost his job unfortunately due to covid nineteen hotels but He thinks everything is gentrification. A problem and He's agenda fire so you know it's going to be an interesting race. I'm actually very excited to be looking. At a number of candidates. John santiago who a state rep and the doctor. Is you know he may be announcing that out. He's throwing his hat in the ring. We haven't heard from him. Jane yet who will be the acting marital. I'm excited also heard rumors that john barrows is going to be in imminently as well by the way Right maryland floyd but go ahead. Yeah i'm just. I'm just excited to talk about something you know other than that with the past four years so go ahead. No you know. I was just gonna say that. Looks like we got a lot of qualified. You know folks jumping in. And i'm sure we'll see some some other exciting candidates from from the fringes continue. This is really good news mckenzie. Who is our new colleague. Just started with this earlier. This week just called to one one number. This is very good news. I really good news and was able to confirm that the call center is up and working people over seventy five who've had a hard time getting an appointment. Give him a buzz to one. One is the number. Go ahead margery. I'm sorry off calling at two o'clock in the morning you think a twenty four seven hundred eighty no thirty to five monday through friday. Five o'clock in the morning. No will answer which i assume you think that's interesting thing which problem which one exactly. Yeah we don't have the time to talk about the second gentleman. Do you want to tell him. I just want to say for today. I'm already sick. Doug aim for whatever. I just wanna say one thing because it was a store thing that happened when Secretary buddha judge was sworn in Doug emhoff's was there Vice president kamla harris was there and the Buddha just husband is named us. Was there all four. Those people those two couples. None of them could have legally got married in the year that i was born in one thousand nine hundred sixty one day couple. You had an interracial couple. I mean i think that You know it's a lot of bad news out there and there's a lot of challenges but you know you look at what we have in the white house at the moment regardless of what you think about policy you know doug is going to be the first gentlemen. He's jewish. you've got obviously vice presidents second gentleman but that's okay i i was going to clinton but it didn't get you a moment to celebrate that we have made some great history here. History is kamala harris. It's not the grandma he happens to come along for. The ride ruined everything here. Medium college lavish gets his upbeat. And you've to step on a gym. I think it's great. I think for him off. I was like the exactly. Let me tell you. One hell of a media maven collins gentleman had his first wife with them at the inaugural. So i thought that was. We're talking about one of these families actually seems to work anyway bison. Gbh copa shirts bay windows and the south end news political commentator. Thank you emily. Rooney is up next boston. Public radio of cdc's vaccinating teachers is not a prerequisite for reopening schools here. In massachusetts teachers are down the priority list behind people over sixty five some local features unions have push for educators to get vaccinated before they resume work in the classroom. The president of the american federation of teachers randi weingarten will join us in the wake of stock market volatility from the game. Stop feeding frenzy. Elizabeth warren told us securities exchange commission to grow a backbone and regulate hedge funds. She's urging the sec. Were investigating saga and worked with sure. It never happens again senator. Warren will join us to discuss this the fight to slash student loan debt and more ahead on boston. Public radio eighty nine. Seven g h bradley. I am march or your listen to hour number two of boston. Public radio eighty nine seven. Gbh by the way. No one knows you made it back with about one. Second to spare marjorie. That was very very impressive. Solution coffee join us for her. She's proud joining us for her famous. List that fixations foam nations and so much more as emily. Ruining emily's house to beat the press. Which can catch friday nights right here. Gbh to at seven o'clock. Hello emily aloe jim. Hello march emily rooney so diet. Thank you so much good stuff. Let's start. i'm not big fan of fox news as she does. She never get a bit of a problem with this lawsuit from this voting machine company tells about it well. They've been threatening this for a while. This smart medics company and their machinery. Dominion or whatever. They've been talking for a while staying to fox news. They've sent letters through attorneys saying you have to retract all of the misinformation that you stated after the election about the fact that you know our voting machines were made in venezuela and they were rigged to you know spewed out republican votes and changed votes into this whole com- complicated conspiracy theory going that. Lou dobbs maria barreda romo janine pirro and then that nutty sydney powell all these people were spewing it for weeks and weeks and weeks they so then they. They issued a statement that somebody fox legal department Wrote up saying basically that that they weren't sticking by their stories basically what which wasn't good enough and smart next filed a two hundred and seventy five seventy page Court filing yesterday and all of the experts in this field in. i'm not one Say that it has legs. It has teeth that it's it's it's a clear cut case of defamation and that fox news should be worried. It's a two point seven billion dollar lawsuit tell you. I'm no expert on this issue either module you can say you're no experts but You i'm watching cnn last night. And they play clips of virtually every time and he's and it is what it is when it was happening. Maria bartiromo who. I have said on the air more than once. Something happened her. She's an official member of the tin foil hat crowd. She's destroying nutty. Yeah and she. She was one of the worst defenders. She and lou dobbs. Well i'm sorry good margaret. He's going to say if you if you knowingly repeat these lies over and over again. This gentleman from this machine company says their business was decimated. Immune the forth forth that kind of thing right. Actually when they're parson is down there saying it's actually not lies the saying it's you know it's it's an intentional Manipulation of the vaccine. It's it's almost like if it were a lie. You kind of it was planned out to be that way but this isn't you know this goes beyond that wall which may lead the punitive damages by the way even if they can't prove real damages compensatory by the way the part of this story jury trial by the way which i think that is a smart smart move a judge might parse this out. Well you know it's really a company or its. You know something like that but a jury is going to wait a minute. Nobody ever heard a smart. Maddox nobody ever heard of the guy who runs this thing. And he feels like his company has been damaged forever. Yeah okay so everybody is so worried about this at and they are the proof to me that this is real. Is this great moment. I assume everybody is saying on newsmax. And if you haven't you'll hear a little bit in a minute here at two o'clock google at it's three minutes and twelve seconds long or something like this playing out. Here's a on newsmax. Mr my pillow the ceo. Who is i. don't want to get sued. but crazy as a loon. He's another one who says can't around all the evidence and presented he's releasing a documentary today. Did you know that can't while the evidence here's the deal. He's continuing to spread lies about the election. So the anchor on newsmax grammar congress. Bob sellers what excuse me we should say because they were also talking about threat. Suing newsmax shows how nervous they are so anchor. Bob sellers the legendary bumps. Nobody ever heard of a guy tries to set the record straight and then later you won't get to see this in the interview. He gets so fed up to walk off the set sellers. Here's a clip of sellers. Shot up trying to shut mr my pillow down. Go ahead here this. And then when they took it down my recycle. Backup my personal. I put it was mike l. Thank you very much mike mike. You're talking about machines Newsmax of not being able to verify any of those kinds of allegations. We just want to let people know that there's nothing substantive we've seen and let me read you something there. While there were some clear evidence of some cases of fraud and election of regularity the election results in every state were certified and newsmax accepts the results as legal and final. The courts have also supported that view by the way we didn't edit that in the background while his name is sellers is beginning to read the statement from newsmax. obviously prepared by lawyers. Lindell's won't shut up the whole up his empty chair. Because then what's the same lynn. Dallas on the right down woman is on the left. This woman and this is empty chair in the middle. I say this is really funny because remember when you first saw these my pillow as onto and then this guy puts lindau puts others book from krakow. Just ceo whatever sake from crackhead exact title but you kind of think. Well boy good for him. You know kinda success story. He had a drug problem. They get straightened out then. He goes his pillow company. Lots of people like these pillows. I guess and now we find out that david hogg who was one of survivors park land. A shooting massacre at the high school there. He's decided that he's going to get into the business itself and he's got some guy that's going to help him Because he wants a rich guy because he wants to put mr pillow my pillow whatever. His name is mike lindell out of business. So we'll see how david hogg does a little bit foggy about those pillows. I don't even know what they look like. I don't know maury didn't say someone bought you. Want him to admit. I have bought two of them and i feel so i have to throw them out because i don't like them by the way i don't like them at all but i was inspired by crack addict. Turns ceo thought and they're only like twenty bucks right they weren't bad the saudi something though marjorie. Only you can appreciate this not emily. Emily's radio career has been in public radio without commercials. Your i thought of when this lyndale stuff broke when it was clear that this guy was out of his mind. And doing this conspiracy stuff. If we'd still been on commercial radio one of us would have been doing his commercials. Because the way the guy's right i'm rich that's right on radio and tv. They've been promoting these my pillow things so we really married because i would have been refused to re read the commercials by the way if this had happened i think you know i hate to be The you know whatever. The word is full of myself but White why should they. I at margin i with one exception that will not be mentioned morality tales. They we'd never did a commercial where we didn't try the service of the product and be really happy pills. Credibly vero u-turn. Remember the pawnshop thing you turn down by the way. You're i had to have some standards that's true we're talking probably my father segment. You have a good sense of. What's the top story here. I do absolutely so. Let's go to the next. My favorite story of the day of course is i'm tuning in. May i saw it online. Tom brady is on the jimmy. Kimmel show. kemba has these hate tweet segments tweets mean tweets. Okay so here. Is tom brady. Last night reading tweets about how much people hate him. Kimmel live here. It is on brady. Seems like the kind of man who doesn't know how to use a wrench hi. I'm tom brady. And i'm crybaby and i have a butthole my chance creepy real moment. Is there anyone. You'd rather see drop in bat of rendered bagan fast break hope. Everyone has a great monday. Except for tom brady utah. I hate tom brady so much but i have no legit reason to. He's a nice guy. But i hope they break his leg artery. Everybody is on this segment tonight on meet the press. I mean because yes because not only are the fans and casual viewers obsessed by this. But the media. It's like in the story. Line is a simple one. Do you love him or do you hate him. And the media is and i meet people who are admitting how they feel everybody's everybody's gbh even did a thing on it you know. They don't cover often ben. Volun- had a great piece in a fallen. Sorry and talking about brady's a million opportunities to say bad things about bill beautiful piece and he hasn't. And apparently he's a big adherent to some book about the four great truths or something and one of them is take nothing personally and i thought wow lot of us could use that advice. Take you lumps. Get a type tape. Recording of tom brady off the record on about how controlling manipulative and mean-spirited bill. Belichick has. Because he's all of those things by the way craft and let's not get into the usual criticism. We don't need help. I know we do marjorie totally right about it. But i sell it for one day after is on the radio when i woke up this morning. I this is a generous and correct belch to say. I'm rooting for brady on sunday. He's one of the sweetest nicest people i my life. And that's what you're saying exactly. Let me tom. Brady's father tom brady. Senior did kind of his hand a little bit on this. Because where did he get all this data about. You know all these feelings about bill belichick from his son so he was in the herald and a couple of other places. Well he's on the hot seat. Yeah that's one way of putting it so using can check check. Check big time obsessed with the super bowl. Tom brady i you know. I started having all those emotions. It's a while ago. Because i was invited to somebody's house just me down by the way so it's three people still okay if you live with them but Anyone hal balk bubble jim I started thinking. Oh my god you know. Do i have to root for him as well. You know it is. I'm not a huge fan of his personally. I mean as a human but it is. You can't if you can step back for a second. It is one of the most incredible stories of light is actually. It's amazing isn't going to ten championship game. Forty three forty three years old. He's plan against this. Fabulous guy are looking exact. That's arm and it's just unbelievable. I mean i'm not a professional athlete. I should say that does have. He has incredible a money player. He does not get rattled which incredible skill the carbon has. Its like. Sometimes you watch these guys play basketball. And they've shot having a bad night and they've shot like seven shots keep missing and then all of a sudden they go again and they hit three three pointers right in a row. I mean brazed. Panel i not. He knows three interceptions and they can get up again and hit somebody right. The stomach with the ball. But he doesn't do. What a lot of other quarterbacks quarterback's throw the ball away. Rarely i mean an interception is not good but at least he knows where where it's going you know what i mean yeah instead of like panicking and throwing it to the sideline. He doesn't do that. Yeah he's really something we would we supposed supposed to. I always get confused is at night shades or good or nightshade. Now that does it come out. The macy grow primarily and they grow. Don't they grow in the daytime eggplant tomatoes. Okay let's start not start. We got one lasting. Emily apparently you. And i were the letter to the editor of the globe about this jonathan cash. And what was his point please. He saying why. I thought it was brilliant unemotional. He was talking the same theme. The jared bowen and other people of other said that trying to book your appointment online. If you don't know exactly where to start you end up on sometimes as many as fifteen or sixteen different websites he was saying you should be able to book a vaccine the way you book a hotel room and you know you can pick. I mean jim. I haven't eighty three year old friend. Who's driving to danvers. To get her she she should be able to walk to fenway park. She was close to new. And you can't do it. Let me let me clear. I've criticized this website every single day and the fact that all centralized pre registration thing however she'll have to the core point that the guy is making let it be like a whole. You know you go to a hotel site or something. There's a difference. There are unlimited numbers of hotel rooms. You can always find one. Maybe in tampa what of course. Now nobody's gonna virtually. Nobody's going to serve. But i mean other than a big event. There are limited numbers of vaccine. That's not to defend the baker administration. I'm just saying everything it's like. I'm so skeptical this whole thing. That just happened in chelsea. Which is great Lockup collaborative whatever. They're opening up for only chelsea residents fine fine with everything. I am not jealous of anybody. But they were giving shots to people under seventy five. They admitted it but where did they get all their doses just from they just said all right state. You have to give us some. It's something is fishy about the whole thing. Would you get them do not now. They had gotten them from the state. But how why how. Hard to a part of the problem is here. If i may for a second is governor. Baker has this is not the criticizes work has lived the charmed life for years and has been criticized for almost nothing and as we mentioned at the beginning of the show. He opens his press conference today and again. We're not there. it's our colleague. Eight news monitoring. It's all i can do is assume his opening line at the press conference today which i think. It demonstrates a little bit of aggravation with the criticism. We're here to talk about a new call center. We've launched its sure. I'm sure that it's a huge surprise. The members of the media. Who are assembled here little defensive and then when mayor loose sutter's who's head of covert effort here has asked a few minutes ago. Why did it take this long to set up the call center if you already had two one one. She says it took time to train staff and train them in multiple languages. It only took a week. She said and then our colleague editorially added defensively meaning. What i don't understand they'd had months exactly. They started doing this ages before. Why they can't just say before we screw up takes that that's the one missing ingredient. I don't want criticism either but if you screwed up it's screwed up and you try to you know tisco people for telling you know telling people. That website is already streamlined. What's not agree okay. Case in addition to those things. Tom brady and everything else. Emily is here for this. Comprehensive out of control. Common sense doesn't matter why not. This is the kind of drives people crazy. It's your right doesn't matter. I have absolutely no interest. Okay so what you remember last week when we were talking about game stop and nobody could explain it. And we didn't really get it. And i tried to do that anymore but i did some research on it so i started thinking. There are a lot of things that either. A i don't get or be they'll never explain. I just couldn't do it. So i mean some of these. We've kind of touched on in the past. But like i would have a really hard time telling you what a hedge fund is with you. I'm with you. I mean i was this system i think. Npr was actually trying to give a simpler explanation. But i listened for funes. I'm thinking i don't get it. And i don't understand why everybody who's in the hedge fund business is so wealthy. It's got to be something about it. i mean i. Have you ever met a poor hedge one guy. After i haven't met that man again stake all right. This is another one. Could not explain. And we've talked about this in the past. Bitcoin couldn't do. It is hopeless. There are a number of scientific things now. My daughter is really really good. She's into astronomy. She understands a lot more things about particles and all that but like she's obsessed with this things the higgs boson could you even for a minute. Tell me that oh yes. I've heard about that. Do a show on a career. We attempted to do a show on particle the standard of m- about a black hole. It's on my list. Okay as the string theory. No forget it though. Godly out right. When i went to look at a few of these things that i was trying to explain. I realized that not only. Do not understand quantum gravity. But i don't understand anything with the starts with the phrase quantum yep. I'm with you do you do you. Quan you're absolutely right. Forget it you talking about. What is quantum. what does it mean a lot. What does it mean jim. Huddle i know why asking me quantum gravity by the predicted. Mass of quantum effect on expansion. The universe or anything these. I don't. I said this to you about three years ago. I spent a half a day years ago trying to understand bitcoin. This i did it did it is. We're going to have a whole show and come back and explain and explain it. Go ahead all right. This economic things the dividend puzzle. I mean you hear about that. What is it work. I mean i realize that you know. The dividend paying sock said provide dividends. Do i don't know and know. I can explain derivatives if you are you kidding got a chance. I mean even in a technical world. This is kind of crazy. But i know i should understand this but i really don't understand microwaving like like like either the oven type or the thing that goes to the air and brings a tv signal is miracle. Isn't it your this woman goals. This is some other ones on grower. Apr financing and why it only applies to cars Apr financing. Why is apn. Four point. nine. I don't know you guys may disagree with me on this but i could not explain any book written by salman rushdie. Well actually that i don. I'm a huge fan. I'm not his writing when we read about the guy looking out the window in the apartment new york mayor that basic about the family that was in new york. But that's never gonna take tried a number of his books. What was that first one again into. All the You know where they were chasing satanic verses. Obviously was the death the show. You pat him on the show. Recap starring role jones diary many. I can't follow looking tax law to be able to do my own taxes. Chimp rowdies attacks genius. Arteries tax hasn't been audited. Every one hundred pages generous. Jim brownie one hundred one hundred and thirty certainly talking anything. Tom thirty thousand dollars in taxes is one hundred pages in emily up on second the one thing. Next time we have salman. Rushdie on you should broach with them serious about this. Bitcoin can really really explained couple of things here. I don't understand. Nor could i explain what's going on in myanmar. Even though i realized they toppled the democratic government. I don't know why. I don't understand it. It's like i try to read these whole stories about sorta get that go ahead. Yeah i've i've been some in key has been in jail for life now search. She was out for ten years one in the country and my motto. Is you know when it gets. Beyond the forty eight contiguous states here then. Now it's it's it's i can't do it. I'm not happy with either by the way. I have enough trouble. What's going on. Where's mrs into rwanda and war. One thousand nine hundred ninety four. That was awful. All explain suit chidi later. Go ahead next Now this is serious. Because i've actually read more than i could possibly can one in about this about the source of covert. I don't understand it. And i don't know if we're ever really going to understand it s advisor. We interviewed this woman. Jay mcmullen the other day. Who did a frontline piece on. I think tuesday night cova ed. What was the second word in the title. Covid something or other. She did as good a job. I thought about talking about the china roots this thing and how it spread and the failures charlie whol the actual source close here. No no no she he. She doesn't mean the individual I it means the source of the virus whether the wet or watch video nine because What's his name was so famous for this. But the theory of everything. That's a real thing. Can you explain that one. Jim theory of everything. It's all about jim geraghty. Write a book the theory. Yeah i'm making suggestion about this forgotten that you and i made a commitment on the radio. Did you come back and do bitcoin. We're going we all. Yeah we are. We're going to tell chelsea chelsea at the end of the show. If chelsea can book somebody who could explain bitcoin. English john gruber can explain a bitcoin english. We're going to try to pull this. He's got problems now. We don't know no problem. Don't have any bitcoin. It was rather embarrassing trying to figure out tax law. Okay so what are you doing tonight. Okay so how did you watch any of that. Navalny documentary the election of jackman. Jim is it really good on my goodness. And and the knicks explanation. It's long you can see it on. It's on youtube or on youtube so we're looking at. This is a good. He's a good journalist. In addition to being a you know an opposition leader journalist courageous. Unbelievable i hope. I mean it's the size of an entire state on the black sea china up one second chelsea just reminded me i've forgotten this bend missouri. Who wrote a book. I think there was bitcoin. Ish at. That's right he as well. Failure is our failure but go ahead. He's about the conservative press. You know complaining that the news media you know is giving letting the by biden white house. No one advanced with some of the questions are but this is a long tradition. I mean the reason it didn't happen to the trump white house is because he didn't ask you know and he'd be really. They really had press doing the obsession over. The the media's obsession and everybody else's over. Tom brady and the super bowl. It's all that tom brady. Anybody mentioned are your four kansas city. Or the buccaneers. Are tom or not. That's exactly what it is. Why you didn't know you're getting tons of email people are like raving about your list today. Best ever yeah they said. There's some guy. Brian greene on youtube. This kathleen who has a bunch of explanations for civics related concepts of green with the at the end and okay. We'll all get over to be watching. That was really fun. Emily joins us every friday. You can keep up with her tonight. Friday nights right here on. Gbh to seven o'clock beat the press. Thanks again emily. That was great up next tech writer. Andy and not go joins us for diagnosis. Could there be a better way for the state to build. Its vaccine portal. That moore's next. Andy not going eighty nine seventy eight boston. Public radio Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady and margery eagan senator. Warren will join us. Answer your questions. A lot of your questions on at one twenty today. But i join over the latest headlines at the intersection of tech policy and commerce's and innocuous andy's a tech writer and blogger. You can find his work at a not go dot com and you can follow him at gen eighty ko. Andy welcome good to talk to you. Great to be here so andy in your memory west you very graciously said you don't want to slam the worker. The team that built these states portal. Because you don't know what limitations. They had to work under. And you never done it this big but nonetheless we want you to weigh in on whether or not. This was a colossal inexcusable failure. Or what so does well. I i think that even the people who worked on the portal would tell you Admit with regret that the fact that its purpose was to make sure that everybody who wanted to arrange a vaccine who was who had access to it could go onto the site and get that done And that people were able to do that and then on that basis that they were work was a failure at least in the initial deployment. I wouldn't call it a cloth of failure when call it an embarrassment. They don't like. I said i don't know what constraints they were working under Remember i kept thinking about the how we manage to men on the moon like without at ten years after we decided that well. We've never actually put anybody even into low-earth orbit lithium. We can do this. The only reason why that happened was because the teams that were working on that were given every single every single resource. They needed the thing with for ten years. Was you can waste anything but time album and you need all the people you need all the property. So if you're if you're trying to get someone to do something as ambitious as this site which isn't a very very ambitious to pull off They weren't given the full commitment of every single resource that they needed all the money. All the teamwork all the support. They needed. I just don't want to. I want to be mean about about their work but it didn't work. It didn't work out so let me just say about the state of the computer equipment. I do the sorry clarify. The the equipment for the portal was reading here about how we get old and antiquated that. We don't have state of the art computer systems. I don't know enough about computers. you do. i mean i don't know. Does that matter right. Well it definitely does. It definitely would have been no. I would be singing a different tune. If i found out that no they decided to run this entire portal on like servers that they have in one of their own closets. That would have been absolutely crazy. The this is this is why cloud computing Exists because you don't have to buy more computers more storage. You just simply contact microsoft contact amazon contact google and every time you need more computing power. They just they just simply put more servers onto your your project. More storage Now i don't know exactly what is running this This service one of the things one of the little tricks if you want to know what. The infrastructure technology technical infrastructure is of an organization What you should do is go. Look at their job listings for. It people and find out what kind of requirements they're asking Saw lots of job a job posting saying you gotta gotta know how to work with microsoft as your Which is a wonderful platform. So i'm sure they were. They were using that to deploy this for It's also but that also brings up another sort of question about why this thing failed when the reasons why as your in these other platforms works so well is. That scale is not as big of a problem because again you have a whole planet's worth of microsoft servers at your beck and call now. Microsoft is gonna charge you more money. The more the more processors they've to put onto your project and the more stories they have to put on your project but essentially limitless access to computing power and scales up infinitely so lot of the problems that you might have. That would be unsolvable problems while they're very very rational problems problems that people who are working in these industries know how to deal with. So that if there's if there's going to be like a crash report on how how all this happened. One of the questions is how come we didn't have enough resources available to make sure we can handle as many simultaneous users of the system as as what hammered the system on thursday. Okay so you don't forget editorializing on the people here since you don't want to do it and we don't even have the obviously i and serious hand knowledge. I can just add one fact to your recitation. Though you mentioned the mental moment there have been more men on the moon than the number of people who've been able to get a vaccine employment in massachusetts so that i think is Thank you very much now but but you know what matters to me. Much more than the history. Because i don't really care about the history right now. We can worry about that in anticipation of the next crisis. When this is over is other other systems have failed miserably and gotten fixed. Healthcare dot gov was a disaster obamacare. The state's own version. As you've mentioned a few times march was a disaster. How hard is it to turn the ship around. Midway baker says every day. I just don't understand enough to know what he means that they're making corrections. They're they're speeding. It up and slim it down and making it more user friendly. How easy is that the. Do that thing when you're when you can't shut it down for a week to improve if you know what i mean. Essentially fix it in motion. It's a it's a. It's a solvable problem. It's a very linear problem As a matter of fact it's one of the really shocking and horrific things about being in the position of having to build a system like that. You absolutely you absolutely need to stress tested before you put it out into the world but there's absolutely no way to stress test this this product because you're not going to be able to get. Hey can i get a thirty or forty or fifty thousand. Volunteers all tried to this web in the same one hour of the same thing. So that's one of the things that again you mentioned healthcare dot gov in two thousand thirteen. That was a fiasco. Its first point of failure was that it couldn't handle two hundred fifty thousand people trying to use the service at the same time but once they saw it. Sometimes there's a there's sort of stress to failure Engineering technique where you watch. Where the these things breaking that shows you the places where you need to make things stronger. So and also The again that a genuine fiasco in two thousand thirteen but once they once they got back on its feet. Pretty darn quickly Andy slava it was Named the director of the project and actually now he's a senior medicare. He's working doing mechanism and for under coping response. Yeah so these things because it didn't work the first week doesn't mean that it's not gonna work and you have to wipe it all away and start again. It just means that you now have the data. You need to figure out where you what were you're bad decisions. Were and how to make better decisions. Don't but isn't there an irony that probably someone like you appreciate so much more than me and marjorie. Is that in twenty twenty one. You have a website every state's trying to do it some very successfully others like ours not that successfully and what do you do when it fails you open a call center going back to the nineteen fifties when when the technology of the time fails you. Were talking to andy and not go our tech guy. Well you address is to ended when you asif. How much of this is about the digital divide problem so that is significant. That's one area which was very very surprised that they didn't have a phone. Based portal being developed alongside the the digital portal and ready to go at capacity alongside the on dana for one because the digital divide. This is a pernicious problem that affects all of our society. You i obviously. I'm not there. Let me tell you about where. I am on the priority list. There are haunted ventriloquist figures that are going to be getting the vaccine. Before i am. I am a priority list. So obviously i didn't go through the site myself but i've been good but i've i've been going through message boards And social media as people who did go through it for their parents or grandparents describe the process. I was shocked. At how much. Technology is minimum to get through this. You're sitting though the the the system for the for the digital portal. I assume this person has a computer and an internet connection a chance if you if you don't have a home but also a lot of people just don't have access to these things but also let's okay. Let's say you do have a computer. do you have one. That is new enough that it can run a modern browser because a lot of the things that this portal was asking a web browser to do are things that were not possible in with older computers. Things like being able to just simply be able to upload. A file is not something that an older browser is capable of doing But then okay you have to. You have to provide a photo of a of an ide- okay now. You're assuming that this person has a cell phone with a with a camera on it or you're suing if they have a scanner again. That's a big demand On and on and on it's it's just amazing to me that the the the the root of the problem is always the same thing by definition the people who are building the technology for for everybody else they already. They have the technology already so they go from a perspective of well of course. Hey no it'd be really clever If we need we need to capture a signature. We'll just have the person like traces signature on the track padded their laptop okay again. Maybe don't have a laptop. Maybe their laptop using a desktop. That does not have a track that i mean laughing. I'm laughing because right now. i'm. I'm sitting in front a two month old mac book with two screens attached and an ipad and another computer. So i i am the sort of guy who have to tell himself look not. Everybody has three screens to work on. The people have zero screens to work. And so but these are the people that are sort of inflicting technology that other people now absolutely have to use it. they wanna get vaccinations. So that's that is a huge problem. That was something that i would really like to hear a direct answer for of why they didn't simply a make sure that whoever needs to whoever only have access to a telephone can somehow get an appointment or at least really. Join the crowd of people being told that no points are available at least give them the dignity of the regular group failure not the. I'm sorry you're too. You're too disadvantage to be entitled. Actually access the okay. We're talking to tech man. Andy nocco andy. Elizabeth von to this This new iphone feature Face unlock tell spot. Yeah that that's that's a long time coming so a lot of you have iphones. Face unlock was a really great thing. Before we were all wearing masks. All the time. apple thought so highly of it. Of course they didn't say what. Why did we. Why are we going to have like a fingerprint. Unlock and a face. We don't need both so obviously They going to be a need to solve. This problem. The source of the problem is that apple face. Unlock is really really reliable. As very a very very authentic however it needs to see too is in a nose in order to Confirm your face and So here's what here's what a featureless currently in beta it's going to released soon as part of iowa's fourteen point five update. Now it's still faith unlock. But here's here's what that happens if it recognizes that you are wearing a mask then goes to sort of like a plan. B word says okay. Are you wearing an apple. Watch the pair to this phone. Yes okay is that. Watch not been off your wrist. So it's not as though so install your watch and your phone nope great so in that case for this one time only we will allow you to tap a button on your watch to acknowledge that yes. You are who you think you say. You are an unlock the phone even there. It's not going to trust you to enough to allow you to use the system to authenticate purchase on oftentimes. If you're doing shopping online with your phone you can just instead of having to type in a password to use your apple credit card or whatever you can just use faith. Id to do that. It won't trust you to that extent but at least it will let you not have to pull down your face mask or pull off. It's winter so pull off a glove so you can happen your Your your passcode. So we'll hopefully. We'll see more clever ideas like this as best things. Go by you know before we leave this. I don't know anything about facial recognition technology except that it makes me nervous in the hands of certain people but obviously it's dependent upon a blessing. I think margaret margarite is based on obviously unique features. It seems to me that the upper half or upper thirty. Your face is no less unique. Obviously then the bottom two-thirds so rather than having to do a pairing thing with your iphone with your watch. Why isn't the technology good enough to be able to recognize you from your eyes on up. You know if if apple had had the forethought to think that well what if there's a pandemic and people are wearing masks all the time they probably could have come up with the version that is at almost as good if not as good as what they have now. It's not something. They even remotely considered so that they can do outside of rewriting the entire stack from from top to bottom. It's find some sort of a hack. That is secure enough to trust people at least get access to their phone Andy thank you speaking Sorry we're talking any and outgo are a tech guy. But we're standing iphone in a positive development at appears. Yeah this iphone privacy feature that apple and facebook fighting over yes. I have to laugh. Because i'm kind of enjoying this. This is the sort of thing where you're just as as a thought who's been following apple for since i was eighteen years old and who has been really really not a fan of face before. Well i'm just sort of. I'm sort of that kid at the school yard. Who i know that my mom would want me to intervene and stop these people from hurting each other but really all. I wanna do this chat fight. Fight fight yes. Here's what apple did facebook angry. They're introducing a new feature that they announce to the entire world the software developers of third party apps a whole year ago. Saying that look. We are concerned that there are too many apps that are taking advantage of people of our users ignorance of privacy and on awareness of how much data you're after collecting. So here's what's going to happen in twenty twenty one. We're going to introduce a new feature. That will make it impossible for your apps to access that kind of information until you present to the user a rather detailed little pop up dialog thing high. I would like to track you. And here's the reasons why i would like to track like you wanna say hi. I'm a weather app. I would like to. I would like to know where you are. So i can tell you where it's gonna it's gonna rain where you are that's fine facebook's a dialogue would be several pages long but not until the user actually acknowledges that okay. The app is that i. I understand what the data that the app is wants to take one for me. I'm okay with that and that's to me. That's exactly the right way to do it. Google i think makes a makes a deal with its users does collect a lot of information but it gives you a lot of really good benefits based on its understanding of who you are and what you mean when you're searching for a certain term facebook i don't think that they i don't think that they give you that kind of a deal. I also think they're very devious about the way they do that. Google for their part. They've responded to this This new technology from apple by they haven't said anything from inside. I get the impression that their attitudes that we will. We will work with this and we will also work around it meaning that we will comply with it. And there's there's something that we absolutely need in order to again. Continue to make money as a company and continued to be profitable at team to deliver. Services will figure out a way to do it. That doesn't violate apples. Apples terms of service however facebook decided to go to another way. They took out full page ads about a month ago. In the wall street journal the new york times the washington post complaining. That apple is trying to kill small businesses. But don't worry. Facebook is on your side small business owners to defend you against the tyranny of apple And then they went even further. There's a news from the intercept that internally facebook has hired outside attorneys to To prepare an antitrust suit against apple on behalf of facebook. We don't know whether they're gonna actually file it or not but we know that they're actually working on this The the claim that they're the ridiculous claim they're making all antitrust because apple is imposing these restrictions on third party apps but they probably apply to apple's phone app. So now tim cook. This is why. I'm laughing because tim cook is such a calm guy. He's not a screamer. he's he doesn't throw things when he's getting when device he's demonstrating on aquino stages orc. He doesn't throw it at an assistant. Which is something. Steve jobs at least once. He's very very calm. he's he's the parents that like. Oh i wish he would just yell at me and hit me. Because he's in being calm about. This is prices terrifying so but this time last week there was an event called the national data privacy national international data privacy day and so he got he delivered a fifteen minutes. streamed address to conference in which he didn't call out facebook directly by name. But you could tell he was his. His jaw was set. His eyes were a little bit dilated and so it was just this amazing broadside against everything that facebook spend for calling out facebook for Blaming it for rewarding. I'm quoting here. We warn rewarding mistrust and vaccines instead of condemning it for violence for rampant since formation conspiracy theories I'm going to quote here. Because this is i think this is how he ended. What are the consequences of seeing thousands of users joining extremist groups and then perpetuating an algorithm that recommends even more. It is long past time to stop pretending that this approach doesn't come with a cost a polaroid polarization of lost trust and yes of violence. A social dilemma cannot be allowed to become a social catastrophe and makes in the first five minutes. He was even almost outright calling for legal regulation. Reform of wow all social media companies but facebook particular. It really made me think that there are a bunch of senators on both sides of the aisle. That are speed dialing apple to try to get tim on board for everything they want to do. To increase regulation and obligations on social media companies. Because that's what they're going to be all about the next couple of years. I think he. They have a very willing ally tim cook. But yeah this this. This turns this turned into a live. Fire war this week between facebook and apple and i. I don't know who's going to win by notes I know what apple is not going to lose this one. We stay on this for a second. i don't i. I am my guiding principle on things like this is on most things that could be bad for you. The world should be an opt in rather than kind of thing and which is seems to me is what i found is doing. Apple is doing here. Why doesn't it's one thing for congress not to be able to come the agreement on whether these huge tech companies should be broken up or allowed to stay together regulation. Why isn't something as simple as a privacy issue like this legislated by congress which says on all privacy concerns the consumer has the opt in rather than have to figure out how to opt out. Isn't that the equitable pro. Consumer easy position. Yeah agree with you and i agree with him. Who's who says most of the same things. As a matter of fact it was kind of cute. In addition to this address apple also re released a whitepaper almost comes across as a children's book like a day in the life entitled to a day in the life of your data and which john is taking his daughter for a walk and every step of the way here's what they're doing and here's what companies are accessing about their data but it opens up with a ten year old steve jobs quote that is it's rare that you'd say that steve jobs compared to what the gophers thing was the calm measured serene tone but he was saying the same thing that he wasn't saying that the quote was friendly but he wasn't saying that it's evil to collect data about people that well if you think that you can make a good product by collecting data peop- the people that's fine. But you have to make sure that you want that the user understands they're signing and and i absolutely agree with that Apple is doing. I think absolutely the right thing because they are definitely have the power to do. They can improve the lives of and the privacy and the rights of all their users and because they're apple they're actually having an effect on other industries. I mentioned google before. They're actually going to be doing in the next major release of android something kind of similar. Where that you have to delivery fine grain explanation of. Here's what we intended. Here's how this app is going to collect data. And here's what we intend to do with that with google. So it's going to be weaker for sure because apple. Little to play devil's advocate apple can really really go big yard on this. Because they don't make any money whatsoever off of any technology that anyway benefit for private information they make money by selling. You really really expensive hardware. Google makes no money by selling you anything so they give you these wonderful wonderful tools. But they don't make any money if they can't figure out who you are and figure out how to target an ad to you That benefits the advertiser. So let's let's be fair there but the fact that they're taking this hard heart stand that they're taking a hardline stand. This is not a pr thing. This is a foundational belief at apple. I think this is going to have a really good ripple effect of the industry and if it means if it means that you know mark berg hacky sack rolls into the gutter and falls down the sewer great. Well all the better far andy. Thank you beautifully yes way. Thank you nocco. Any joins this regulated tech writer and blogger. You can find his work at a not go dot com or follow him and follow him at nocco a spell. I h. nancy. A. t. k. o. Thanks again to andy coming up. The cdc says teachers do not need to be vaccinated to reopen schools. School boards and teachers unions across the country. Continue to clash on when it is safe to return the classroom up next. Gonna speak with randi. Weingarten president of the american federation of teachers. She's next on eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. am Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady and marjorie. Getting a couple of seconds are gonna be joined by randi weingarten. Who's the national president of the american federation of teachers second largest teacher's union in america. We'll get to that obviously a lot of critical questions which we discuss. Almost every day on the show in terms of balancing public safety personal health and the need of kids to get back in the In the classroom. One of the most impressive Things that had the most impact on me when we talked with a doctor pinski was that her name from someone who wrote the piece in the atlantic that was early on about the psychological harm. That's done to kids and that was before it became as obvious in as documented as it has become about the damage. That's done being done to kids who are forced to stay home. I think frankly understand the teacher's point of view. Maybe a little bit better than you do or at least accept it more than you do but also accept your whole notion that this is a mess in any case The facts are the students in about forty percent of school. Districts across the country. Haven't been inside a classroom. Nearly a year pressure reopen schools growing and creating friction among parents teachers politicians about what to do next adding fuel to debate so already raging earlier this week. I'm sure no cdc head from h. Trade here in boston. Rochelle lansky said it's safe to reopen schools. Even teachers haven't been vaccinated joining us. Talk about what would be the best way to get students back in school and to give teachers what they need. In order to teach them is randi. Weingarten randy the president of the american federation of teachers randy. Jim brady. martin regan. Great w back again. Thanks so much for giving us a buzz. Thank you and thank you for really being on top of the story. Well it's good to have you say thank you very much for being with us. Randi weingarten so jimmy said kids in about forty percent school districts around the country haven't been in school for nearly a year but since you're a national union gives gives the broad picture are some places doing well and are some places got more in person learning than others. Well what happened. Was that in september october. So so let me say this number one there's a lot of sabotage that was been done by the last administration including the fact that they didn't keep any data so all the data that we have is basically pulling it together through private sources like emily oster and this for burgio site as well as what we know. Anecdotally september october november. There were a bunch of places that were able to Put together hybrid learning and you actually got to the point where you had sixty to seventy percent of the country doing some in person learning and thirty percent not particularly in places like you know I mean you saw in terms of boston but in places that had terrible infrastructure and terrible ventilation systems wouldn't have the money to fix them and so So so that was going on the surge in november and december particularly december now january. Now we're at around forty nine forty nine. A lot of school districts just like in europe that were doing in person close during the surge because of both steph. You know because staff was getting sick. Kids were getting sick. They didn't end. And because of the community spread rate. We now have an administration that understands the science is willing to make it. We'll and have the resources for it. That's good news. I wish this administration was here. Two months ago because we'd be farther afield Farther head and what just happened in boston. And terms of the reopening this week is a perfect example of what we need to get it right. Meaning how do your you know that that that we know in person learning is really important. Particularly since kids are suffering and and You know and parents and kids need it. That's why teachers have come up with a blueprint tried to make it happen in places like boston and new york. That blueprint means that you have to have the cdc mitigation strategies including bass physical distancing cleaning ventilation hand sanitizing. The blueprint also means that you should have a heck of a lot more testing because that helps. You really managed an invisible disease last than you have to have. Is you gotta have the reasonable accommodations for the people who are at risk Both both parents are making that decision by deciding whether or not to to opt for in person learning but that that needs to be there for people who are at risk or they are taking care of family members at risk and let me finally talk about the vaccines the vaccines. We have pushed to have teachers who are going back and and bus drivers at educators. Who are doing in school. Learning to be a priority like other essential workers It's not a precondition these other things. I just talked about were preconditions but they have to be a priority. And what happens. Is that when you have a vaccine. You another layer of protection that quells the fears because at the end of the day. We've had a year of disinformation and we understand this when it comes to vaccines has we need to really understand how to deal with fear when it comes to getting back to school and prioritizing back to school so there's a blueprint. We need the money. That biden is trying to push for in terms of this one point nine trillion dollar package that they're trying to get through and and we need to actually make sure that district's do like boston just did i know. There's a lot of attention but ultimately with the walk throughs school-based committees to create trust. That the stuff that that we say is important is actually done. You know randi randi. Weingarten president of the american federation of teachers You want to emphasize said at the minute of a moment ago. If the other conditions are met vaccination is not a precondition a lot of teachers from both The any union here is you know. And the t unions here were upset when sixty five year olds and people with two or more co morbidity at least a sixty five year olds removed ahead of essential workers including teachers but the debate. Randi weingarten that. You don't have to luckily for you. Listen to almost every day between me and marjorie is on this very. There's probably nothing that's more bladen with than the whole question about getting back to school more often than not i guess. I'm the much more sympathetic one to the teachers coal For everything including possibly vaccination which may even be further than you go but marjorie often sites what you know. We've spoken a lot of people including emily oster and other people about the psychological damage that's being done to kids who are home about the learning loss. That's being a happening. That may take years to replace and ultimately it is a balancing of risks. And so i guess what people alinsky are saying. Is you got to her on the side of going back into the classroom for the sake of these kids know. Well this is still look. That is what will lense gays is saying. But that's why it's an. I really like her and i really respect her. But that's why you gotta make the priority. Even though it's not a precondition it's a priority. And so when we say that that this is important for kids why are we not creating that protective layer that we know will really work for teachers that all the onus all the risk is on the educators in terms of going back to school and if you are back to school buildings so the science is one thing but the moment. Psychologically if you're you're in that position you're you're always wondering if you're the case if you're the one in one hundred and so that's why if we know that the that the that the vaccines are going to you know basically deal with and handle You know if you get covid gonna get really sick and we know that this is such a priority for kids. Why are we not just prioritizing teachers. There's a difference between science and psychology here and the psychology of making sure people feel safe and know that they are safe and addressing and quelling. Those fears are really important. And i think that the thing that i'm saying that we cannot minimize is just like the The year of misinformation around the election in sixty percent of republicans stone. Don't believe that. Joe biden won the election. Fairly the the the science is gonna take a minute to set into people. It's not going to be one scientists getting up or scientists getting up and saying oh no no no everything that you've heard in the last year all the stories that you know from the last year. Don't worry about it. We got this. We got to actually address people's fears and have them trust that there will be safe so all i'm saying is that teachers understand this but if this is a priority to get kids in school and i believe it is and i believe it should be then. We should be doing in boston or you know. We should be doing all over the country what they did in washington. Dc which is the mayor of washington. Dc may teachers priority. That's what won't be set. The mayor did it. The second shot is going to be there for all teachers on february fifteenth. That's what other cities should be doing. Well correct me. If i'm wrong randi weingarten but i thought i read that you are not in favor of requiring vaccines for teachers. I'm not. I'm saying it's not a precondition but it should be a priority so but teachers should have to get vaccines. I know what i'm saying is offered been offered to every single teacher in washington dc. I'm saying i'm saying that they should be a priority. I understand the science. Says it's not a precondition common sense dictates. It should be a priority if we want to prioritize if we want open in school learning safely can we say massachusetts for once. I wanna get clear when you say they should be a priority. They are priority in massachusetts in the group that you're talking about after The first round frontline healthcare workers etc. Then they moved to seventy five plus year olds and the only other group ahead of them are sixty five year olds and Those with two or more co morbidity there in that essential worker excuse me priority you mentioned but if we wait to get to that in massachusetts because nali are rollout been pretty horrible but there are a shortage of vaccines everywhere. But it's working worse here realistically speaking those teachers will probably be vaccinated. The second vaccine forget. Johnson and johnson for the moment probably be six weeks from now exactly so that means that's bad means that a teacher won't be back in a classroom at sound like i'm making margie's argument till april saying that's why i'm saying it doesn't make any sense to people if we want. If we know that kids like look. I got to my sister and brother more or doctors. My nieces adopter. I represent two hundred thousand nurses. Everybody understood that that the healthcare workers that were working day and night they had to be a priority and there was no question about that. But you have all these. Everybody understood about nursing homes because uh the science and about art our elderly and we have to take care of people but if the frontline workers including educators if we're trying to create a way of normalcy for kids then then then that had to be the third priority so moving. I'm not saying i'm the you know. The pinning of sixty five year olds versus teachers. It's terrible but moving. But but that's why. I have pushed for over and over and over again for munch for them for educators to one. Be for this exact reason and so you know you. We have to be consistent in saying in telling people we know. It's a priority reopen schools. And that's why we are addressing. The the issues of safety and vaccines are protective coat. Does is it required no as a prerequisite no but is it common sensical given that we want kids to be in school. Yes we're talking with randy white wine garden from the american federation of teachers ready. I think the thing is in the reasons it becomes so upsetting to so many people is because the science tells us that the risk in schools is very very small. That's what the science tells us. The science also tells us is. Jim referred to the kids are particularly poor. Kids kids of caller see. Says there's been a twenty four percent increase in mental health emergencies for kids between five and eleven between april and the parents who are most skeptical of in-school learning are black around parents. We know what to finished my question. Say's sorry andy We know that that that they are very skeptical so we already know about the devastating harm to kids. You know and we also know that catholic schools which are not necessarily rich schools in which most treat educate kids. A caller are open around here and doing quite well. What it seems as though is that the teachers want something that other essential workers unable to get and that is because of the political power of unions like like yours which are very cloud is not i would actually say that's absolutely not true and this is not a political issue and as someone who is a no this is a this is a health and safety issue but sadler. It's not that except that what you're saying what. Cdc is looking at is that they have three studies from rural for actually eight studies. Three of which are from rural areas that had all the mitigation strategies. We had the same study from new york city which is part of the reason why i'm confident that these mitigation strategies work. And so what's happened in boston. Is it took a while to get these things into place. There's an end that's what we're trying to do. It's not about politics. This is about trying to actually make sure that safety of everyone is an particularly the The adults who are the educators safety is not pitted against In school learning. You're not hearing me say that we shouldn't be trying to do this. In fact i've been on your show before the afc was the first union to put out. How do we actually get this since last. May we have been begging for the resources to get this done. So the issue is. How do we make sure that we both make it say and have in school learning. I'm not gonna quarrel with you. I believe that i. We have fought for the resources for kids. I'm i'm an in inner city educator. I taught social studies to eleventh and twelfth graders and many times i took money out of my pocket to get them books so ultimately this is about how you get this done. I just wanna be clear though. I'm not. I'm not clear you're saying. What are you saying exactly about vaccines that we should wait till everybody's or go back to school because in boston as you probably know there has been a disagreement between what the teacher's union has said and what city officials have said janice says except that boston now has reopened a hundred and thirty sites in terms of the next phase. My members would like nothing more. You know the members that want vaccinations and it's a really good side. People are clamoring for vaccinations. My members would like nothing more than to have both vaccinations and the immunization period You know before. Schools are fully reopened. So again april or may not listening to me. I know that they are. I know that in terms of if you listen to their conversations with their families about what would make them safe and what. but we know that That's not going to happen in all places and but what has to happen in. All places is the mitigating factors. So what happens in a place like philly will. You can't get the mitigating factors with. They're never gonna be able to put the ventilation systems together in the next few weeks. The easiest route to reopen schools is to get everybody vaccinated and have both shots in the arm and the administration period. So there are different places where you can't at went where the money is not there. The austerity has been there for years and years and years. But the but the blueprint that i'm saying to you is. It's the mitigation factors. We have them in boston. Went out just to be clear. Now that will in very small numbers is not open. I mean there are small numbers of kids in schools often. This week they are. They have made great strides in terms of the reopening of of schools for the kids. That need it most. And then they're slowly going to have a faced reopening and that's what's happening boston. We should celebrate that they have followed a blueprint in a way that's meaningful which just to be fair. The city is set for quite some time. And the mitigation factors with the dispute about that so we should be killed. But there's not but what has happened. Is that this week. We've gotten through it and we should celebrate that and ultimately we're need to this part of the year the the when when the between educators and so many other frontline workers is what happens when a child takes off from mass. What happens when kids in a class. You know just for a moment. They forget about the social distancing there you're dealing with lots of other factors on an ongoing basis that Make some of the medication heart but the good news is that over the course of the fall. We now have the science that dr wilentz was talking about. But she was absolutely absolutely Unconditional about having those mitigation factors. When i'm saying is that we should also be doing as much as we can to quell fear by getting shots in the arms of of educators. Who want them as quickly as possible. Reduan gotten if you continue to have teachers with the mitigation factors and the vaccines who either won't get vaccines or won't come back to in person learning. Are you going to rehire teachers to replace them. There's i don't. I don't understand the question. Well if you if there's not enough teachers who are willing to go back to school because there's not a willingness it is that the the the the framing that you have marjorie. Teachers are working incredibly hard now. I don't know if you know any teachers. But i do. A lot of nature's are working like teachers are working really hard on remote and there's not a lot of people who would tell you that they like what's going on right now in terms of this and a lot of teachers our parents as well right. I've i've watched so so there's a lot of pain everywhere but the reason that we're pushing so hard on this blueprint and and trying to get the resources is that there's a willingness to want to be in school. It's just a matter of we have to make sure that we keep people safe right so but but yes should we have more substitutes. Should we have more teachers. Given the distancing stuff we should probably have be having about twenty percent more space and twenty percent more educators randi weingarten. Thank you very much being with us. Thank you so much. Winegarden is the president of the american federation of teachers. We very much appreciate your time coming up. We're not just talk to senator elizabeth warren. Her pushed cancel student. Loan debt next week's in the peach trial and much more keep dawn in united seventy bay. Boston public radio. Welcome back to boston. Public radio jim brady and margery eagan. It's been a hell of a twenty four hours for our next guest. She introduced the next secretary of labor. Marty walsh should and his confirmation hearing she participated in a fifteen hour senate effort to fast track the nearly two trillion dollars in covert relief. She called on the president cancels student loan debt and she worked in a room with senator and doctor who won't wear a mask and she didn't get to go home until five thirty in the morning. Better her i guess. Australia's us on the phone. Is the senator elizabeth. Warren senator welcome. Glad you made it through the day healthy. She's here senator. You here back and forth. i'm here okay. Thank you very much for joining us. Sending warren So so let's start with this. Big huge cove relief. Bill a lot of talk about the president wind have uni But he's indicated that he's going ahead one way or the other. Do you think it matters the american people. If it's partisan or not. I think the president hit this one. Exactly right he's said here's what we need. He worked with all the data. Folks economists. They got lots of information and said. Here's what we need and we need this so we can get our arms wrapped around cova. We need it for the vaccinations. We need it to put money in the hands of people who are truly suffering and we need it to get our schools open again. This is how much money it's going to take. And he said republicans come join us. This should be nonpartisan. Not just bipartisan. But non this is about an emergency and he invited them. He say calm. Be part of this help us. Make it better but understand this if you don't want to make this And be part of this. Then we're gonna go hit anyway because we're in an emergency and he was elected president of the united states to act to get something done. And that's what he's doing your senator warren. I know you're policy kind of person. Everybody knows that. I'm sort of eventual kind of person. Can we take assad track for a second. How do you go to work everyday. I'm totally serious about this. You work in a room with one guy who is allegedly a medical doctor who refuses to wear a mask in violation of every public health person's advice you work with at least two other senators who i think. I'm being euphemistic to say encourage the insurrection. How you i'm serious. How do you do this. How do you do this to me. I still go in there because it is a matter of public service. I if i didn't go then. The people's massachusetts don't have one of their senators to show up and argue on their behalf and vote for things that i think are the right things to vote for. But i'll tell you this makes me deep down furious it last night. We were all in the room for hours and hours and hours and hours because the republican said nope they had and they had a right to do it. they wanted to put up one. After another amendment after another amendment wanted their chance to stand up and talk about them and force everybody to do a call vote. We had to stay in that room and rand. paul would not wear a mask. Finally shared brown stood up and said we ask that every member in here wear a mask. Is there any objection. The chair is there any objection. There was no objection and yet rampur. mascot won't put a mask on in the elevator. He won't put a mask on when he stands next to you and really does put you in this position of saying. I think this is outrageous. But i still gotta be in there to vote and fill just caught. This is part of what it's like to be in washington right now and mike on a scale of one to ten my frustration level. Is it about nine hundred. Forty s. What these guys you know what. I wonder though senator. Warren if a caribbean ron but isn't aren't you supposed to wear masks on the senate floor and the house floor is not the the rule of water. So how come the capital. How come no one enforces the rules. I don't understand that. I don't understand it either. Actually we stood there. We've talked about it. we have asked for it. People have asked politely. People have asked quietly last night. People were asking publicly for it and and understand if not just other senators that they put it. We have staff who have to either people who have to have to be there physically must be in that room and nonetheless no one no one's willing to go over and actually wrestle down over it and that's the problem we've got well i would urge you. I know you don't need advice from me. I would go wrestling down if i were you. Senator but that's your decision senator. Oh so many issues. There's from the robin hood issue to antiracism work. Well thanks but i want to focus first on something that i think affects the greatest number of people your call and it's been a long time but reaching a peak right now for the school debt cancellation correct me if i'm wrong but while conceptually you in the pre and your colleagues and who support this and the president earn the same place on details. You're not my understanding is you're looking for fifty thousand of be canned. The president's talking ten thousand you believe he has the power to do it by executive action he either believes or thinks it's wiser to do it by congressional action will the twain meteor or no I sure hope so. And i hope for the twain meet is at fifty thousand dollars of tech cancelation done by the president through administrative order. This is the single most valuable. Step that the president could take to boost our economy. It is the single most effective steps. The president could take to help. Close the black white wealth gap and it is the single most effective. Step that the president could take to boost the fortunes of tens of millions of young people across this nation. And i just want to see him do it and so two liter schumer and sort of i on a presley and so two lots of folks in congress this is this is one taken do and it would be truly life transformative for somewhere around thirty five million americans. I mean that's a donor. So what's his presidency if you believe and it sounds like you're convinced he has the power to do it. Why doesn't he do it. What Senator schumer i I have met with him. We continue to talk with him. He understands the magnitude of this problem. And i'm just really hopeful. We're going to get to the right place on this and let me say word because you do raise it. Does he have power to do this. I thought point out here. The preceding two presidents have already done it. Barack obama His administration forgave student. Loan debt for thousands of students Donald trump's administration. And yes. i'm saying. Betsy devos her cave. All of those interests paints for all forty three million americans who have student loan debt. So it's the same part of the statute that authorized brock obama's administration to act and donald trump's administration to act. I wanna see. Joe biden's administration act in a broader way. But using exactly that same authority for the betsy. Devos were really missing her. I'm glad you brought her up center center before we leave this topic just for a second to make things on this. Why shouldn't this be means tested. A number one and number two. What do you say to those who suggest that there's some inequity here. Even if they agree with your economic impact argument. You've heard this argument of thousand times. I worked after school My father worked a third job. My mother did something to make. Sure i could pay off my debt right away. I'm going to get nothing out of this the irresponsible there were not mind kid or family. Who just accumulated debts going to get a benefit and don't show all look. I hear this argument over and over there so many different places to go. Let me just give you a few of the pieces. Forty percent of the people who have student loan debt never got a college diploma. They tried but you know they had a baby of There were working three jobs and couldn't make it happen. Somebody got sick. They quit to take care of an elderly parent. All kinds of things happen to people. Now they are in the position of trying to pay off student. Loan debt on the kind of salaries should get all. You've got us a high school diploma to help you. So the idea that somehow this is only going to be rich people who are going to benefit from this it also has an income tap in it and we can talk about exactly where it should be sad at one hundred thousand dollars one hundred fifty thousand dollars whatever. It's the right number in there but you know the bigger question here is if you really take a look at what student loan debt is doing our economy overall. It's it's hard on individuals this matters but he's holding back our economy. The data showing that young people were student loan debt far less likely to buy a home than people who don't have student loan debt or earlier generations didn't have student loan debt. Far less likely to be able to start a small business less likely to participate in this economy so flip that around and recognized way hassle a big chunk of student loan debt and at fifty thousand dollars that would mean eighty five percent of the folks who have student loan debt would be debt free. That is an enormous boost to our economy. They got more money in their pockets every month. Two hundred three hundred four hundred dollars a month and they have brighter one per prospects. This is your chance starting small business. Save up your money. Go try to buy a house move into this economy which means the cancellation of student loan debt. Now it's really good for people who have student loan debt but harrison insane. It's good for you and me and everyone who doesn't have student loan debt because it's good for our economy overall so it's one of those things. It's a win win. It's a win at the individual level but into win for our entire nation. We're talking to senator. Elizabeth warren senator. Warren seems a foregone conclusion that This impeachment trial next week will result in acquittal based on the voting the republicans have taken of latest or any reason to think they could end differently like I live in a world where i wake up every day and hope that republicans will listen to the facts and also pesona. Catchy what they're doing to our democracy if republicans are not willing to hold donald trump accountable for what he did on his way out of office. If they're willing to say that as president if you don't like the outcome in other words if you get voted out of office you can do anything you want on the way out the door to try to hold onto power. Including urging an armed insurrection if republicans are willing to say that's okay. They damage our democracy at a man countered and gut level show. I am hopeful that when the the managers jamie raskin gets up next tuesday and just goes through the case i think it's going to be shortened to the point that there will be a lot of republicans in the senate. He'll look at that and say my responsibility if not just suck up. Donald trump responsibility is to history. Was jamie raskin a student years at harvard. Law school senator. Okay out before. I was there but tom. Cotton with my students really really where your policy and your thoughts. It really affected his career. Don eighty porter. Oh wow joe kennedy. I know that. Yeah you got a lot going on the working anti Public house and you're working on wealth tax. I want to get to your thoughts about robin hood game. Stop and regulating wall street What's your concern. Okay so think about what wall street is supposed to be about about capital formation. Somebody's got an idea for a great business and wall street is about investors. Say ooh put idea. And by the stock right and they trade in the stock created this active market for the stock and that's how businesses have access to capital. But there's always the element that kind of thread that runs through it to things that happened simultaneously. A bunch of folks. They just want to come in and gamble. They don't know anything about the underlying businesses. And they don't care they just want to take the gamble. We'll market go up local market. Go down we'll start to up. Will that scott no doubt and the second are the guys who wanna come in and they wanna fiddle the market right. there want to manipulate. They wanna make a stock go off or maybe start go down not because of the underlying business but because they got some trick to the able to do that the reason we have a cop on the beat is to make sure that wall street is about the first thing capital formation you know investing in businesses and not a casino with a bunch of market manipulators. And and what happened in this latest. Go round with game stock. It's just a reminder. That wall street has increasingly become a casino instead of being a place for capital formation. So what i wanna see. I wanna see the sec. Get up off your areas and actually do some basic investigation and where needed put the rules in place to stop market manipulation to dial back on this training the market like a casino and keep this an honest transparent market one in which not just the big boys get to play but one in which retail investors get the come in participate in that market level and fair basis. So i see games thought. It's just kind of ringing the alarm bill once again that this market is in real trouble center. We know your own short time. But i don't know if you're a betting on a return to one of topic what would you say. The odds are of you deciding to wrestle. Rand paul to the ground. The image is one that i can't lose. Would you say it's better than fifty fifty. What what would you say. You're in oklahoma kids so you're tough. Say i'm not sure. I want to him off. Here xactly senator. We really appreciate your time. We know it's tight and we hope to talk to you again soon. Thanks so much for joining us. Thank you for having me. It's always got to talk to you as well. Thanks so much. Thank you very much. Senator elizabeth warren before and as a member of the senate finance committee and we do. Jim says appreciate her time. Coming up for most people are getting takeout. One restaurant in gloucester is taking people in and becoming a haven for the homeless. Talk about that a lot. More with our food writer corby kummer. He joins us at optima optics. Eighty nine seven. Gbh boston public radio. Welcome back to boston public. Radio i am shimbun rowdy and she is marred. Regan join us along with the latest news. The intersection of food policy and food cultures. Corby kummer corby is the executive director of the food and society policy program at the aspen institute. He is a senior. The atlantic. And a senior lecturer. Tufts friedman school of nutrition and policy. Hello there corby kummer. Hello there he taught you become a. Let's start with something that's really kind of heart warming here to us about this gloucester restaurant and what it's done i love. This story is a restaurant that is in gloucester like everybody else challenged about us business. It happens to have a very big room for private functions in aren't happening right now. Has lovely views of the harbour And what have they done. They've invited in a local shelter. The grace center a drop in day program for homeless people Run by life bridge north shore. And it's taken it out of church. Basements which are very well meaning and in now allows a day centre for homeless people former addicts people who are finding a sense of community they never would have found otherwise in certainly not in a beautiful room with nice views of the harbor. And it's helping the restaurant. Which is the gloucester house I've actually been to the so and so now is the first place we want to go back. Because they've done this great thing for the grace center so they're showing the way for local businesses to use their facilities for good when organizations have lost their facilities. You know dad one thing to. I should say the guy's name who owns this lenny. I think alling quota. I'm not sure if that's a pronounce the name but you when you read the story and i agree with both. It is really beautiful. Actually an inspiring but it's also not a bare bones kinda story. It's not like they opened the doors and said you know. Here's some thoughts when you read the story. It's really at the whole community. Are a lot of parts of the community came together. Their flowers on the table intervention the flowers but the reality is everybody that when you're in a tough time no matter what you're doing they're all these little amenities the food you saw some of the residents there. Are the people able to to make use of the facilities talking about how good the food was. It's not just the this when we talked to lend down all the time from the pine street in who is like a saint like creature if there ever was one the level of respect they have for their guests as they call. Them is almost exactly like you see here. And it's a really heartening story in a really dark time in america so i'm really glad we decided and there's so many people in the restaurant business not just jose andres who's obviously wicked famous but so many people in the restaurant business have really while suffering themselves have risen to the occasion and then some of dignity Jason ethridge of life bridge. Nonprofits says we bring dignity to people other have nowhere to go and everything you're describing a terrific thing gloucester has doing to serve. These guests reminds me of women's lunch. Place where I volunteer yes as lawyers and servings. There's actually lots of intersection between people volunteer for both places and a friend who was volunteering at my behest came back and said she brought a trade a woman who said bring that back because there was one part of it looked like it had only been partially to stout and she said. I don't want any of your used food and that's really stuck with me. The idea that the people who are in these places want dignity and want respect and everything in the globe piece about gloucester house. And what they're doing it for the gray center implies they're giving that kind of individual and dignity and respect to the guests from grey enter. What are they use it. The women's lunch place the also the fresh flowers there on the tables and i think they use real China and serving everything including as center A lot of medical care and showers and screening by the way at this at this gloucester restaurant is a great picture. The picture in the article shows these people on their social distancing the mass on but they're in front of a fireplace. I mean how grab one fireplace with a full windows at a point yet. Etta and they're mad which is really good so so corby kummer we debate. Is this the beginning of the show with our listeners. governed bakers decided to increase the capacity limit on restaurants gyms a bunch of other businesses. That had been at a much lower capacity up. Forty percents And you know. Jim was worried that it might send the message that it's okay to be going out and doing more things now. Maybe that was the wrong message. Some of us were arguing that these people are desperate for for cash so go ahead and increase capacity. What do you think well having just finished my weekly safety i Restaurant group worker restaurant worker meeting. We had like a barn burner discussion about this very subject because we're quickly speeding to release our second set of safety guidelines. These are going to be a route diners and servers and front of the house. Our first set was for back of house. Restaurant workers and If they reopened they've got to. We've gotta get our guidelines out of the next two weeks because we have lots of stuff about ventilation and physical barriers that you should be putting up and guidelines for how to put up plexiglass barriers between tables And how to improve your ventilation system. You don't have a lot of money how to make sure it's clean. Governed a whole list of hvac engineers who can come and you it's being done. I'm working on trying to release federal and state funds to get these engineers to consult the individual restaurants. There's lots of stuff you have to do to make these places safe but staying inside for any length of time. Didn't governor baker say ninety minutes is the limited eventually remains in place by the way. I'm glad you mentioned that. I think it should be less. Think it should be forty five minutes to an hour because the less time somebody spends in a place the better. I and i think that this thing is really important. I want to reframe the question. Though a little bit edition what margin a margin. I were debating about the pros and cons in terms of public health. Marjorie also raises the point about you know these people. Obviously they've been suffering. We all know they've been suffering. But i guess the question that i can't answer the maybe you can is for the average. I'm mostly folks on independent restaurants. Not the big chains does increase in capacity for an independent restaurant from twenty five to forty percent. Really make a difference in terms of profit. And if it doesn't then the answer. I think is overwhelmingly that they shouldn't have increased capacity if it does then it's a fair debate. You know what. I'm trying to say with that last. I knew about this and it's a few months ago when there was big oscillation between twenty five percent and fifty percents state by state was at the independent restaurant. Coalition national group of a lot of activists chefs. We've all heard of Was advising don't open unless it's fifty percent because the first possible real break even point is fifty percent and that twenty five percent was such a loss of money that it was barely worth it now. It is worth it for people who were paying rent and have a minimum staff. They have to keep on or just desperate to give workers especially vulnerable workers. Restaurant workers a chance to earn a living. The counter argument which helen rosner is made in a widely debate. It's a piece in the new yorker that just went up. Today is order out leave. Big tips contributed gofundme as and worker relief campaigns. But as your question. Jim i think forty percent might make a difference. The last i heard it was minimum fifty percent. They would make any kind of economic sense. We're trying to corby kummer. Our food guy. So tell us about the biden administration and food policy. Well there's a lot to say. I there's they have their work cut out for them in every single way. The first is going to be hunger. Relief based on covert restrictions and increasing access to school meals for entire families. There are a lot of good things they can immediately do. And of course what the administration is immediately doing is focusing everything on covert an covid relief. But there's so many long range of questions that need to be addressed because they were completely wrecked by an out to lunch. sonny perdue. Who was the former secretary of agriculture. Just completely disappeared and vanished after doing things to help that were incredibly industry friendly and he took a wrecking ball to the agency including one of the most destructive and little known moves that Perdue made at the behest of the administration was to move the largest science based research agency the economic research service national institute of food and agriculture from washington to kansas city. That sounds technical and small but it was every bit of the country's expertise on climate change. And how it affects. What big farms and small farms should be planting for the next couple of years so it was like the tech farmers almanac was actual information about climate change and soil quality that would determine entirely the country's agricultural output and because it was dealing with climate change as a real danger that had to be factored in to government assistance to government plans. It was admitting something that the trump administration didn't want talk about so they said oh. We're moving into kansas city knowing that Hundreds of incredibly experienced scientists who knew everything about climate change and how it affects planting and agriculture would quit and they did and getting those people back. You know it's little known. It seems technical. But that's one of the biggest things ville sack has to do when it gets back then. It strengthening food assistance under snap under school lunch around covert removing barriers and obstacles to getting that food assistance. Climate science hunger snap. That's just the beginning of what they have to do. So somebody in. This story complained that. Tom dosage to be the governor in iowa and used to be running department about an ira culture under the obama administration was a retread with new ideas. Now he's back running. Primary think that was unfair criticism or what well first of all. It's completely logical to say. What is he going to do now that he didn't do eight years. He had a years under biden. So there's there's been a real backlash to him but you know my idea is if he's actually super competent he can hit the ground running. Make these fixes to these. Huge in thailand programs like snap that need to be fixed Ville sacks personal priority was always strengthening up rural networks. he greatly increased the emphasis on housing and High speed internet access in rural areas. Not something you think the. Usda does they have an enormous housing program because they've got i think sixty three subsidiary agencies. it's huge. He knows how to manage this enormous bureaucracy. He's got the experience to do it. He was very helpful inorganic trade. He was very helpful in helping networks of small farmers. Kathleen mayorga tufts friedman. A former professor became his. Deputy secretary and was terrific and creating regional food hubs where small farmers could get access to big markets that ordinarily wouldn't buy from them because they could combine their produce with other small farmers. He did a lot of great things that are worth continuing. Plus he had commitment to helping black farmers so there are black farmer agencies that are now saying we need somebody much more activist they wanted. Marcia fudge who was very urban a focused to be the secretary of agriculture But i'm i'm waiting. Vilsek sack is a proven competent leader of an enormous agency. He said all the right things and his confirmation hearings this week particularly about racial equity. And how that's going to be one of his main focuses. Let's give them a chance to get an action. I i'd like retreads myself. Actually as a retread personally. I in many ways you know one other you and marjorie just discussing food policy. Do demonstrate this new sheriff in town but this is a little tiny thing. I love the story to read the story. Corby about jill biden and ask it of vegetables from the garden that you know. I thought that when michelle obama planted that thing was a sam cast is that his name. The i thought that that i thought it'd been cemented over. Something by melania trump. I guess not no. I'm serious. I thought about turning it into a putting green houses. Massive terrific things that the obama administration did right before leaving which was to get donations. They didn't pay any taxpayer. Money to install metal and stone rimmed gardening beds expensive and hard to take out. So the idea was. We're going to make this easier to guard. We're gonna make it beautiful at this is going to help keep it lasting. What it was it was an end run around and attempt to dig up the lawn. So ovo mrs trump did very little to highlight the garden. It it didn't go away and jill biden. You know in the nicest way is taking the most wonderful backhanded slap at her predecessor. That is stupid question. How can they how these vegetables kale and cabbage broccoli. In the middle of winter. Good point we have thirty seconds a minute go to farmers market. There's plenty kale. there's some broccoli. They absolutely grown winter in washington. Says she doesn't come out right there. Right there eating parsnips. By the way any good sense we love parsnips. Jim good for you corby sorry with short day-to-day warren. We wanted needle. Say get and it's good to see you. Thanks so much on zoom. You're looking stunning quarter. Look an accent. Dark sport coat on a dark spoke. Sport goes on gender. Rogues tough for me to do that but next autumn maybe joins every week. He's executive director the food and society policy program with the aspen institute a senior at the atlantic a senior lecturer of the tufts friedman school of nutrition scientists and policy. Thanks again to corby on monday. Join us for the reverend. Sorry monroe and emmett price. Harvard constitutional law scholar laurence tribe way. Try yes i know. John king different days going to be on monday this week. We're very excited about that. Wanna thank our crew chelsea murs. Joey matthews heavily aidan connolly. Mackenzie farkas are is john club. Parker mile smith and gold goes team. Run aren't remote studios You're not doing tv tonight. So i don't. I'm actually lying on the couch watching tv. So it's a variation on a theme. I'll be doing that pretty much. He's gonna be doing the big suit against fox. 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"Hi I'm Denver Matt and welcome to axios recap. Presented by Bridge Bank. Today's Monday September. Fourteenth. Oracle stock is up air quality on the West. Coast is down and we're focused on schools as workplace. The big news here at my house is that my daughter is finally about to enter fourth grade this week although a couple of weeks later than expected and not at all how I or she imagined, it would be today's inside the school building albeit with only about half of her classmates and then three days at home learning through a laptop. This. Also means her teacher is about to adjust to very new normal with fewer kids in the classroom, lots of protective equipment and a need to address very different learning and emotional needs than she's ever dealt with before. Overall around thirty seven percent of America's public school kids will start this year inside of schools in some form as for public schoolteachers there around three point three, million of them around eight percent of which are over sixty years old not to mention all the school administrators support staff and other in-school employees. Today we want to dig into how teachers are feeling about their new workplace particularly those who've already been back in the classroom for the past several weeks what's working what's not what still needed and what happens if and when a vaccine becomes available we do that in fifteen seconds with Randi Weingarten president of the American Federation of Teachers, but I this. Bank helps breakthrough ideas actually breakthrough and remains dedicated to providing financial solutions to the risk takers that game changers and the disrupters those committed to leveraging innovation to make the world. A Better Place Bridge Bank is a division of Western back. Be Bold Venture Wisely We're joined now by Randi Weingarten President of the American Federation of Teachers. So ready, some schools have been back for five weeks at this point from teachers perspective. What have we learned about what does and doesn't work about in-person learning in pandemic? What we're unfortunate point learning about impersonal education is that those communities that had resources like space like private schools they could doubt they could open outside rural areas could open outside as well, but you're seeing a lot of inequity. Since we didn't get the resources that we needed from the federal government given all of a cuts in schools. So you have some places that have had successful reopenings and but you've had most places. With a lot of concern about children's education and still of concern about safety most people if a want to be back in school meeting in person in school but if it's safe. It's still a big question mark in lots of places around the country and not just in places that have denied cove it but even take a place like New York, city, where the governor and the mayor have thought coded fiercely. But there's lots of issues about whether or not the schools have the sick parks. You bring up new. York, it's interesting. One of the agreements that the city and the Teacher's Union air reached in order to kind of go back into hybrid model. There was monthly testing both staff and students does really matter or does that become Cova Security Theater? It is important in terms of controlling community spread. So I am very in favor of frankly everyone getting tested on a routine basis, and if we had the funding to do it, we would be doing it. That's part of the what Suny, is now doing with all the kids and suny campuses and what's what you know you're seeing campuses do throughout. So it's not theater it is real and it's real because forty percent of spread of Kobe is a semiautomatic and so ultimately, what that kind of ramp nice testing does is that it gives you a sense of what is happening in A. Region what is happening in a community? What is happening in a school would be better if there was enough tests around that regular folks could be tested the way Donald Trump and Mike pence are yes. Of course but we need to actually protect against the spread of covid and if you don't look what just happened to Israel, they are going under lockdown again masks at this point should be available, should be affordable. Handwashing is a question of sinks and soap is ventilation the big ticket item right now potentially, and also time it takes a while to fix h VAC system if it's not good. Actually it's It's cleaning and believe it or not. There is not enough. P. So if you have special needs kids, you're going to have to have facial. You'RE GONNA have to have gowns you're GONNA have to have gloves. So believe it or not this notion of that I'm going to give somebody to cloth masks and that's going to be enough. It's not GonNa be Enough P. P.. E.. It will be for most though for most classrooms for most students most teachers will be if you have a well resource system if you ever. System with lots and lots of poor kids, I would say the ventilation issues are the ones that are most understandable and most obvious. But there's also the issues about resources include not only those big six but making sure that there's connectivity making sure that kids have chromebooks on the resource side, the GOP Senate bill, the so-called skinny bill which failed late last week did include a little bit over one hundred, billion dollars four schools from your perspective. Democrats make a mistake killing that given that one hundred and five billion dollars. Is a lot more than what they currently have, which is nothing if one hundred five was actually going to go to schools in a real way, then you could have a debate about that but they poison pill the bill in such a way that districts were on remote education would have no access to the bill. It essentially was Jerry raked. Going to reopen in person right which is who would need to spend money on the and the ventilation and everything else? No it was actually saying that you could not even have access to it on a hybrid model unless you open fully and what it was also nested in that bill was millions and millions of dollars or basically rich fo that basically said if you have private tutoring or if you have private schools right now you're gonNA get a tax credit for all of that. What was clear is that the school issues reopening schools has become such a big deal publicly that I was glad that the Republicans saw the number in. The House bill and said Okay we're GONNA at least on the face of it, match it if not increase it, but they didn't do any of that. So what we're seeing now, let me just be clear about what we're seeing around the country that even schools that are opening in a hybrid batter. They're firing para professionals, they're firing the very same people are laying off the very same people that you need to help special needs kids. We need huge numbers of substitutes. There's no money to hire substitutes. There's more than what would have been normal retirement because people are scared. There's basically been a twenty percent cut to districts across the country. Is Want to look forward a little bit. We all hope there will be a vaccine whether that's in October December February whenever that is when there is a vaccine that is FDA approved an is able to start being distributed to essential workers of whom teachers I assume would be part of that. Do, you believe school districts are going to require the teachers take the vaccine in order to teach and is that's something AFC would support. Support that look just like we are supporting New York and other places that are making well required to teach in school craft person obviously, just like we have vaccines that we require kids to take to be in school in normal times, we are supporting the US t and the New York City local the Boston local are hiring locals who have pushed for having mandatory testing because we know that that is a really important detection device in a virus that's very let and highly contagious. So yes, we would support that and let me just be really clear Dan. We WanNA be back in school buildings. Place is important when it comes to education the. Reason you have so much happening in transit remotely is because of the inconsistency of what has happened walking into the summer, the lack of resources and the lack of federal leadership here. I've said it to you before I'm GonNa say over and over again when we can make it safe meaning that you have those safeguards in place that you are preventing virus spread in school, people will want to be in school kids needed teachers want it, and so that is why we keep on fighting and fighting and fighting to get those safeguards in place and to get confidence around them ready. Why Garden thank you so much for joining us. You're welcome. My pleasure. Ridge. Bank knows the INS and outs of business downs and remains dedicated to providing financial solutions to the risk-takers the game changers, and the disrupters those committed to making the world. A Better Place Bridge Bank has been dedicated to providing financial solutions to sponsor back emerging Thalji in life sciences companies for nearly two decades through its national network banking teams and offices Ridge. Bank. Is a division of Western Alliance, Bank ridgeback be bold venture wife. Welcome back. 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If this does turn out to be some form of life and that's a big if but if it is I think that a lot of scientists would say that life is probably victis life is probably everywhere I mean if it can it maintain some bizarre but polled in the clouds of Venus and stay there for you know potentially thousands or millions of years even then you've got something that there's probably out in the universe somewhere to actually had a scientists say to me there's no reason to believe that we're special. It's been about thirty years since NASA actually sent a dedicated probe to Venus I. think that most people agree that this is probably going to create a new era of exploration for Venus, and even if it's not all about life, it's still this world that's really interesting and bizarre and probably more earthquake than Mars I. 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Local Journalists Webinar: School Policy Decisions During COVID-19

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Local Journalists Webinar: School Policy Decisions During COVID-19

"This event is presented by the council on foreign relations. Welcome to the council on foreign relations local journalists webinar. I m rena fast canister vice president for the national program and outreach efforts far as you may know the bars an independent nonpartisan think tank focusing on. Us foreign policy this webinar. It's part of cfr's afars. Local journalists initiative created to help you connect the local issues you covering your community to global dynamics. Are programming puts human touch with up resources and expertise on international issues and provides a forum for sharing best practices. I want to remind everybody that today's webinar is on the record. And the video and transcript will be posted on our website at the afar dot org slash local journalists We shared full byles for our speakers and host today prior to the call. So i'll just give you a few highlights on their distinguished backgrounds randi weingarten. It's president of the american federation of teachers. The second largest teacher's union representing one point seven million members prior to her election as the american federation of teachers president in two thousand eight. She served twelve years as president of the united federation of teachers representing over two hundred thousand educators in the new york city public school system jacob carpenter reporter at the houston chronicle covering k through twelve education. Prior to arriving in texas he spent a year as investigative reporting fellow for the milwaukee journal sentinel and prior to that he reported for the naples. Debut news and carla n. Robbins or host is an adjunct senior fellow at the afar. She's stockily director of the master of international fairs program and clinical professor of national security studies at route colleges mark school of public and international affairs and previously. She was deputy editorial page editor at the new york. Times and chief diplomatic correspondent at the wall street journal. So thank you all for being with us today. I'm gonna turn the conversation over to carla To the gate covering school policies during covid nineteen so carlo over to you arena. Thank you so much. And we're going to chat appear just for about twenty or so minutes and they were gonna throw it open to you guys. Because i'm sure you have a lot of questions. And i'm not an expert in k through twelve education so you know we have a lot to talk about an lot to learn although i have been studying. So first of all full disclosure. I only found out this week. Which is i am a member of union. I'm a member of the cuny. Pse union which. I only fed out. This week is part of randi weingarten sued yet so what. I am not going to recuse myself from asking questions. But i'm not going to write a story based on this. So that is the good recusals that exists here. But it's certainly not gonna stop you from digging in intensely so solidify with that full disclosure. Let's start so randy. If i may or present garden if i may Can you start us with an update. On what percentage of schools across the country have students back in the classroom and is present biden going to make his original commitment to reopen elementary and middle schools within his first one hundred days. Yes he's going to make his commitment and No we don't actually have a actual number because one of the things. We asked betsy devos to do in. The midst of kobe was to track this. So we have the Berbie statistics which is a private sector attempt to put this together. We have our own statistics. Which i'll tell you. In a minute we have a federal government Is now attempting to pull together these statistics but all the directions are going in the right direction including Frankly i think that president biden is going to exceed his Goal because the work that we've done in middle schools and the vaccines for young adults are starting to allow a high schools to open more robustly as well so What our numbers have been. Just tell you. Our numbers are We have canvassed are locals. Ninety five percent of the districts in which we represent people are open. Doesn't mean that. Everything's open five days a week fulltime. Whatever but they have in person instruction five percent eighty eight percent. This is probably the most important number. Eighty eight percent of my pre k. Through twelve members in a deep dive. Poll that we did. April first are in school are going to be in school this month. Eighty eight percent. And i'm sure that will get That will grow even larger and one percent of my a k twelve members have had their backs as of i have had their vaccines were specifically scheduled and ninety percent of my members. Want to have vaccine's it will tech them in their families and it will help them get back into school Last thing i'll say is this Because i really wanted to bunk as as as forcefully as i can our membership us. They were scared but from last summer on they have always wanted to be back in school and in the polling. And we've done a lot of polling them the polling from last summer said if you can make it safe seventy nine percent said i want to be back in school and the polling that we just did. You know that ended a prefers. Eighty eight percent said if you can have if you can have the laird. Mitigation the testing and the vaccine access. We want to be back in school. So that's where i'm mean. I'm very proud of them. And and that's where our union has been since last april trying to figure out how to be back in person because we knew how important in person is compared to remote. So that's really interesting and certainly goes against the impression that a lot of people have But just two things let me. I'm a stats i. I lost submits. All the years i worked at the wall street journal. I think So this eighty to ninety percent depending on what the question is that represents how many teachers and how many districts and are they concentrated in particular places around the country. You're concentrated in particular places around the country. And despite how many media appearances i have done on this i have found that the an and frankly it's i saw in terms of the right wing pushback because anytime we would say anything about. This is how you make it safe. It was interpreted by some as we don't want to be in school. Which is actually rubbish. And not saying that people are scared but we have three thousand locals were the second largest teacher union not the largest we about three thousand locals that are probably about twenty five hundred locals that are k. k. twelve locals we have a million of our members of the one point seven million. Who are you know. Schoolteachers or guidance counselors or people who work in pedagogical titles and we are in some of the toughest places so if you see a fighting. Ucla in la. that's us chicago. That's us new york city. That's us but we also represent a whole Bunch of school districts in new york state basically all of them and i served on cuomo's open school commission and we gave away of how to reopen schools and virtually all districts in new york state had been opened since the since september so virtually all districts in illinois which. We are very large in open insulin. Since september virtually all districts in florida. have been open since september so basically most of our districts have been open since september and october with different With different times particularly november and december because of the surge where you saw closure what what so so that's kind of twenty five hundred million people. Twenty twenty five hundred districts million People working in schools eighty eight percent of those are in person right now. The people that are not in person are basically people who are you know had pre existing conditions or whose whole classes are remote so just one final question. I want to go on in this trial share. I want to go over to jacob. Which is i send. This is all internal polling Is there anything you're willing to share with local journalists that they could take away from this because this is really useful. And i think it can. Can you share it with us. And we'll pass it around afterwards. I mean this is really useful and frankly you know we put this data out every time we've gotten one of these polls we put this data out and we can share it again but this is also the and. I'm so glad to be doing this because my point in making this so is that people want to demonize teachers and their unions for the fact of trying to make things safe safety to us was always a pathway to reopening schools. It's not an obstacle to stop schools from being open. Great thank you so much New york has been open for a while working with the teachers union Texas has been open jacob now working with the teachers union in part because they can't unionize it the way it was done in a very different way in texas. It's been done the way they do things in texas and a very darwinian way which is that As you wrote me. The texas education agency Which is run by the governor mandated. That schools must offer in person instruction and they'd lose funding if they don't so they've been open for the entire academic year under force measure. How did that turn out. Did were kids at sixty teachers. Get sick at work out. or and just force measure work as well. I think so much of this in a really. What's been hard in in covering and the framing around the story around school. Kobe is there are costs in. There are benefits to any sort of approach that is taken And so you know when we don't have an incredibly definitive science around when do the benefits outweigh the costs. This is how we ended up in such a political firestorm in some ways. I think around this issue So you know. I think it's a very fair question of so texas has been open this whole time. Did they do the right thing. And it's hard to say yes or no you know we see. There are thousands and thousands. Tens of thousands really Even just here in the houston area of cases of students and staff reporting that they have been dying or that. They test positive for kobe. Since schools reopen don't know for sure is how much of that was due to in person or a on campus transmission. Or even going into things like extracurricular activities that wouldn't otherwise be going on schools weren't open generally what we've heard from our local health. Authorities is that on campus transmission. When proper protocols are followed around masking distancing is low and so i think the assuming that again we can't definitively say in any way what levels of transmission there have been but if it is the case that campus transmission has been low Again even then there becomes a question. How do you define low and is low. Good enough you know there. Are i think a fair number of folks who would say texas made the right call but then you know we we hear from families who you know have teachers or in their family or or other school staff who say i think my loved one got sick on campus. They were in a room. That's two smaller surrounded by too. Many people are mask protocols followed closely so you hate to put it in such a cold calculation but in some respects a lot of this is looking at how much sickness are we willing to tolerate to see. The benefits of in person. Classes in those benefits are numerous and everybody agrees that there are great benefits to being in person. So it's it's a really hard challenge. Should especially for reporters i think when there is so much nuance and frankly this debate too often and we are in some ways i think responsible for it too often lacks nuance. So we're schools safer places than the general texas milia. Did the texas education agency in mandating school stay open. Take more precautions inside schools than white. Abbott said no mask mandate go and do whatever you want every place else where school safer places than shopping malls were school safer places than anyplace else in texas. To be honest. we don't know the answer We generally the thought seems to be that they were not significant. I think what we can say is that they were not very significantly more dangerous than being in any other place. Dangerous what you're saying. They didn't take i mean. Did they bend over backwards once. They said they had to stay open to make the changes that had to had to take place to get new ventilation and was there. Statewide requirement given the fact that this was state wide mandate under there was the mandates for masks related to staff and students under the age of ten was tender. And there were. There were recommendations around distancing Which many though. I have certainly heard that not all followed you know. There were some ventilation improvements. That were attempted to be made. But i don't think that know. Certainly every single step was taken that could have been So there were absolutely protocols were put in place. Many of which according to our local health officials and our superintendents app said had been followed well and have been implemented well very interestingly. We don't have any of our superintendents here in this may just be political but none of our local superintendents have really since october said we shut all the schools down and they have an interesting perspective of having to answer to both their staff and their students and families But all that being said we did see generally case reports among students and staff pretty closely followed what we saw in the general population but again. It's awfully hard for us to say that. A school was a safer place than x. Y. and z place. Or even a student or a family member or staff member being in school with safer than them being at home when they're maybe an ipod or there may be surrounded by their other family members without masks. So i want to go back to randy and ask her what she takes away from the texas fans before i do that just have a journalistic question for you which is urine investigative reporter. The houston chronicle is a good investigative. Paper you guys did that. Great stuff on the pastors was two years ago or something. You've done some really great investigative series. Why haven't you done forensic series on you know how bad had happened in particular school. It's a great story adults I'm amass ten editor. Got ask the question i mean. I think the jacob this frozen while he ponders because he's frozen. Why don't we go to randy. And then we'll get have jacob. Come back to us so randy while gigabits frozen contemplating that My question is what do you take away from the texas texas experience and so am. Do you have particular states that i that are gold or silver standard right now for how they're managing this and versus which states in the warnings of what not to do when you come back so i I would have said In september october november. I would have said and said new. York was gold standard. I think new mexico is starting to be a gold. Standard connecticut is starting to be a gold standard. But it's But i wanna actually go back to something that gets completely missed and i agree with jacobite. We you know we. We have several locals in in texas in texas has been a patchwork where mostly Places like sa- koro Houston basically defied than the state government and kept the mass mandates. A paso you know in terms of differently in terms of schools. But but probably the point. And i don't know jacob agrees or disagrees with me on that but the point that gets missed here. Is that the bargaining. That was done. Like in dc in new york city. Like some of it who's been yelling and screaming and in the middle of a health crisis. That's not helpful but people are scared. And so you hear that and you hear it you hear it exacerbated on social media because people are scared because it's such an aco dramatic disease but The the reason why schools in new york city in our view had such a negligible or such. A small inspection. Rate is because of the mitigations. That were negotiated. So now you have a cdc that operation all and is telling you what those mitigations are and whether it's the february Nisa that they put out or the march missive. They will tell you that. It's the mass the physical distancing the ventilation cleaning contact tracing and testing and then vaccine access before they did this. They had it in their in their work. But the trump administration kept on politicizing this so you basically had some state. Health departments like new york state was very very specific about how schools could open but most other states. We're not and so you didn't have so you. So you basically had a local unions negotiating with their employers and those safety measures were what made it clear that schools could be safe and indeed. That's what you saw in the wisconsin. Cdc study in the north carolina. One so the bottom line is we don't actually know because we haven't had those forensics studies between the deep dives places that didn't versus places that did and we had so many places that were remote We are at risk. People basically did stay home and parents who felt like their kids were at risk basically opted out of in person. So you're never gonna get the research that you're looking for karla and about what really happened versus not but i do think from being very close to a new york in particular. Those mitigation strategies kept Cap transmission really low and schools. Thank you. I know jacob. You froze on purpose on. I asked you that forensic reporting question. So i'll let you want that to apologize to that. I i'm here to answer the tough question. you know. The the challenge is just that you know four. And i guess it comes on how you define a forensic report but You know a lot of that would mean gathering essentially doing contact tracing ourselves a lot knowing who tested positive. Frankly i maybe it can be done. I haven't seen anybody do it I think that it's probably outside of what are capabilities are just because of so many of the ultimately what you're talking about is we need to know where people got infected and that would mean ourselves during contact tracing within a school assuming i mean unless you can find a help unless you've got a county or city that actually is doing contact tracing to work with. I think that's an and that is an interesting question around It has been a real patchwork of some counties have been pretty involved in that. Some school districts have been pretty involved generally to be honest. What i've heard is a while. There certainly is contact tracing that has been done at a school level. It's not nearly as robust as you would need to be to be confident about the results. So you wrote a thank you for that. I mean you wrote about you've written about the impact of of remote learning on students and some of the works at the state has done looking at it not just anecdotally but also what's your big takeaway and how much of it is anecdotal versus. How much is based on on research that you find credible as an education reporter hard. I hate to keep saying that. So much of this is unknown but You know even we certainly see that within standardized testing Beginning of year testing Things of that sort. We are seeing However you wanna call it we are. Seeing students are not. We would have expected them to be academically in a normal year. If this was a normal year particularly around math it sounds like we have seen the greatest the greatest losses even beyond that will be here a lot of educators. Talk about is just the toll that this has taken on. Students emotionally socially Things that are in a lot of ways harder to measure to so we absolutely no and we hear from some educators. There are students who have done better in terms of precise metrics for these types of things you know. We're going to have much more robust standardized testing here in the spring What you wanna read into that. I think is going to be a huge subject to debate. Especially since even in states like texas students technically many students do not have they will not be punished in any way if they do not take the test and so that is going to skew. Data so the upshot being that we don't have good solid numbers yet. I don't think to truly comprehensively. Measure how far behind students are compared to where we'd want to re typically see them but we are seeing losses that are going to take according to our local educators and state educators. This is a multi year process of getting them back to where we would expect them to be normally and even then normal is a a state of great inequity. Indeed that is true george w bush's efforts notwithstanding of texas actually Think that was faintly sarcastic. But i'm not sure. So randy i wanted to ask you a question. That was a selfish question So i teach at a university and There's a great of enthusiasm now for online learning off either synchronous or asynchronous and get a lot of people saying we're never going to go back fully to in classroom learning and in part you know there's a whole economic enthusiasm for those. I've had students last semester. When i was teaching our students in indonesia students in egypt You know that we were reaching a lot more people and the same time. I will feel as a teacher i saw. It spent more time thinking about teaching and thinking about teaching differently. And i just don't like it. I just don't feel that. I'm for the good students. It's fine and i some of the good students. It's really fine. It's in some ways better. Just because they can do more they you know it's they seem very engaged the ones who opted in an a really big way but for the not so good students. It's really. I don't think it's i think it's a further reason to check out. What are you hearing from your members about this on all levels of i mean. How bad has this been they had to scramble to do. Have they learned anything to that. They can take away in the future that could potentially make online learning work better. So yes they have. Lots of people have the experiences that you have had on the Particularly on the higher education level I would say that remote education is here to stay in one form or fashion. There is an you. It is hard to talk about any silver linings anywhere when you have a pandemic that has killed five hundred sixty seventy thousand people and inspected so many and we're we're not gonna know some of the real effects so it's it's a very i'm always very leery to this is a silver lining or this is something good that but obviously we've learned a lot so on a on k twelve overwhelmingly again because we wanted to have some data not just had anecdotal. That's why we've actually done more polling this year than we've ever done before to try to get that anecdotal so on the k. Twelve level people are very Down on remote education you know it was the only thing that they could do. A number of people most people turned on the dime. They thought their districts were actually helpful in trying to get them the equipment You see a lot of intergenerational joy and gratitude of older people like myself. i'm in my sixty. So i didn't grow up with computers. So older teachers actually being very grateful to their younger counterparts for helping him figuring out how to do the platforms. You know how to actually use that. Just use zoom but how to actually make sure that we got information to students. They got their you know an and things could be done electronically easily. We So so so so there. There was a lot of that that the There was a lot of Work that was done in terms of how you engage online. What happens when the student turns the video off. What happens when you see things in a household that you should not be seeing all these there were. There were so many questions about teaching learning privacy halloween gauge. What happens if you can't find people. How do you do that. would Teaching online being different than teaching in person. Because you really have to do the check ins very quickly you cannot you. You gotta give people time to rest. You can't actually teach a little smart you can't teach on little smartphones or have kids. They have to have computers or bigger screens. So all of that stuff that normally nobody would be thinking about gut thought about but i'm balance. K twelve teachers would tell you that in person is essential pre k twelve. Teachers would tell you that. And i would say that higher education Is yes align here to stay. But we really need to have people on campus engaged in community and And have the kind of combination of of of real in person learning as well. We haven't done as much polling on that. And i think campus life has been slow to come back particularly because of You know of of All of the kind of transmission issues But We're we're we're basically hearing a yearning for the kind of building of community that allows you to so thank you. I got many questions arena. Tell you. I always have many more questions but i want to turn it over to the group But before we do that we're going to do the first round of final jeopardy which is Just for a s for very quick response to this jacob in your experience in covering in covering this. What's the best source of actual measurable facts for you if you want to figure out what's going on in in a in a school system right now. A lot of that comes down to what you're trying to measure unfortunately We we fall back a lot on standardized tests than and data that is produced through you know through examinations for better worse that is at some point you have to go somewhere otherwise it just becomes anecdotes nothing but and so we we struggle with that I look a lot at Enrollment data my look a lot at Discipline data on. Where where do you find that you get them from the school system. Do you have to get there from the state if you find. School system is resistant to giving you. Information does is there a state repository for do you go to civic groups. I mean how how do you how do you. How do you get dating That you trust if you're if you're working on a story we've been fortunate in that. Our state is pretty good about putting out a lot of data for any reporter. I mean the the state department of education. whatever it may be definitely go to We do a lot of records. Requests most districts are not very good about Publishing their own data. Generally to if if you have something in mind that you want to get putting in any kind of records request even if it's sorta vague it makes them come back to you and say hey. This is sort of vague. We have some of them will say we have x. y. z. Is this what you wanted. you know. And having good sources within a within a district who are those people that control that in and are the ones doing the analysis in the collection. So that i can ask them. Hey i'm interested in getting this. You know what format is it So you know at a lot of it is district dependence on how they operate what you're trying to find from them. So is there in texas version of foia. Yes and as far as i'm aware pretty much every state has some version of the f. How often do you have to fly to get information. If i'm not filing records request at least two three four times a week. I'm probably not doing my job the way that i should be interesting really interesting. So randy and your first of many final jeopardy questions today. What what story do you want beyond the one that you know convinces everyone. That teachers are not anger. Inst- scared what what do people would be reading about to to to understand whether or not a school system is getting the help it needs to make this transition back how you report something like that. Who should they be talking to. What questions should they be asking a number one. There is not been inau stories about the human endeavor and the resiliency and the things that have happened during this period of time that have really helped create joy for kids. I know it doesn't sell newspapers. But i think it's a really important moment about just how essential workers teachers Food service providers other central workers healthcare workers the kind of the kind of work. They've done to try to ensure that the kids are okay and i and there's lots of school systems who have tried lots of different things. It's very rarely reporting. There was a lot of reporting on this. At the beginning of the pandemic kind of lifting up what people were doing but as things have koran there hasn't been number two I think that the The use of the american rescue plan money and making sure that it gets into classrooms and into schools. Like what's going on insurance of this summer to address joy and enrichment. And what are we gonna do. What are the plans not an. And what does it look like. And what are the plans for the full like It was good. That rochester today said. We're going fulltime five days a week in the fall. All every school system should be asked this question right now because there's plenty of time we know unless god forbid something happens like happened in italy with variance. Every school system should be planning for a robust full opening right now and if there's parents that don't wanna do remote there's a remote option but they should be planning for this so instead of constantly having the kind of day to day you know what's union saying about safety. What's the school system say. Let's be planning for what we're doing to full using the american rescue plan money. What is the emotional. Social academic recovery look like How are we helping parents trust that it safe and that we're going to have a robust education program for jeans. That's a great question. There's a lot of money there and we can come back to the money because that's really important. So arena takeaway. Yes now we're gonna go to all of you There is already a hand raised. So you can either raise your hands alcohol on you and you can say what your news outlet is or you can write a question in a box and i think somebody from Your team randy Put linked to your press release on On the survey that you did. I haven't clicked into it but everybody should look there for that and we will send that out after this sunday. Cope first to todd robertson. Who's the editorial page editor at. Saint louis dispatch. And if you could please anita yourself unmuted. Can you hear me yes okay. Good deal will let see a jacob. Start with you randy if you could also answer this You get the idea from seeing a watching television It's kind of a free for all in texas. Everybody is so so glad to be out from under the thumb of the oppressive government mandates on pandemic restrictions Did they just wanna rip off their masks. Go have fun I was just in in dallas in amarillo. And i was. I have to say a little bit surprised. The level of compliance. I saw cautions on the street in restaurants and whatnot was was a pretty much what we see your missouri Maybe that's just because missouri doesn't comply better than texas. I don't know but i'm just curious in high schools in particular but in public schools in general. Is there a problem in texas with students. Just flat out ignoring the rules. Not compliance specifically with masks in in random on wondering nationally is there a way of measuring compliance versus. What the state rules are possibly by teacher. Complaints your member saying the rules are this but the compliances that i think you're on with what you saw or at least what i have seen admittedly in a small slice of texas but i don't travel outside of houston very much but i have. I honestly can't say that. I have seen a significant difference between the removal of the mask mandate in the before that You know and a lot of it comes down to businesses. Still have the opportunity or they can require masks in their facilities Schools are still unless a school district school board. I should say ops out. They are still and they can And a few have they can. They are still required to wear masks staff and students under the age of ten or over the age of ten And so you know in in terms of violations of academic. I haven't looked at it in a while but The texas af created a website. Where people could Were there members could report violations that they saw i. Frankly haven't seen how up-to-date that is but that is something that was on their website and if you are interested in that at recommend checking out had about four four thousand six hundred reported cases on that you know what we started doing. At the beginning. I would say september and october. When we didn't have tracking minera bernie knows the story about rebecca jones in florida. But we just started using whatever tracking systems we could use and put it on a website too so if people wanted to report we would then try to follow up in different places. And that's what happened a lot in texas. Frankly that's what happened in missouri. Saint louis was a little bit better than other places for all the obvious. Reasons but the This is the amazing This is frankly and amazing wonderful factoid. That happened in schools. Younger kids follow the rules. And you wouldn't you know. Teachers were very concerned last summer. Could we create the routines particularly given was on tv. That was so you know where there was such confusing messages that the public health people will constantly tell you the most important thing you do in public health is your transparent consistent and honest and we were not getting consistency. Honesty or transparency. Kids really kept them. Aslam kids really cap physically distant and in school that i was just at in Rio rancho new mexico and another school. I was at in meriden connecticut. You the routines are really baked in and kids wanna be a younger kids middle schoolers. They wanna be in school so much that they are actually really been very adept at following the routines where we see issues and problems is around sports because sports with the cdc has said in terms of their Their data is that sports are where you're seeing Real transmission and and and so we have been really religious about three things. Laird mitigation testing. Kobe testing in schools. And the big districts are being able to do this. And we're working. There's now ten billion dollars out there for cdc to do more and more of this and the access to vaccines thank you We gonna take next question from cedar and ten ontong. Co cedar with associated. press in new mexico randy. I wonder if you could talk a little bit about your visit to new mexico Particularly around the topic of teacher retention. I know a lot of us. Were kind of thinking. In the fall that there would be A wave of teacher retirement and it did not happen but now just anecdotally. I see people who maybe would have stuck around for five more years the burnt out and they're retiring early so i wonder if you could talk about new mexico's the gold standard and then looking forward to the future and in terms of teacher retention. Well you know. If if we were talking about albuquerque. I would say that people in albuquerque wouldn't think that new mexico is the gold standard. If you're looking at we are ranchera and you look at the schools like stapleton that. I looked at that was a really. That's part of the reason why i'm travel now. I want you know and y you know the vice president and the daca biden did a school visit with dr cardona white. Dr cardona is traveling. I am you know. I hate to say this. I am double back some too much in double backs two weeks out. I wouldn't be traveling in terms of who visits. If that didn't happen i wouldn't be eating with other people who were not double taxed in the same way But you know but some of this gets lost obviously in translation the teachers. So so the rio rancho school. That i saw their full time now. This is the first week that they'd been full-time. They could only do that in a way to by doing the sweet feet in classrooms. Which they're doing but they're being very very careful about still maintaining six feet in congregate settings. They have really smart ways of doing recess in terms of trying to create pots to really smart way that they've done things the so those are the joy and teachers are really happy to be back in school and in that school every Virtually every educator has been vaccinated and new mexico has done a pretty good job in the last few weeks of of making sure that that access is there and joe biden did an extraordinary job in terms of doing the flip side is what you just said is that people completely burnt down. They are really tired. And all of the differences in terms of in out remote hybrid All of these things have been exhausting and some have been really unsustainable and Simultaneous instruction where you are trying to instruct kids online and in person is unsustainable. It is pedagogy terrible. You know because you're not doing performance art. You're not just during a live stream lecture. You're actually trying to engage with people and you cannot engage with people on a screen and gauge. Were kids in classrooms. Much of what you do as a teacher is the kind of aural. choose and the body language. You just can't do. This and teachers are exhausted. Hybrid the only reason people did hybrid was because we knew we needed in school. Learning hybrid is also pretty awful insensitive so teachers are compl- not everyone but the burner is really terrible. And this sense of tarrant people and i'm sorry be illegible about this. I don't mean to be but if you have spent ten minutes during education this year you know or watching your teacher educate this year. They've worked twice. Triple quadruple as hard. So when people say they're lazy they don't wanna be out of their rooms out of their homes air so angry and disappointed that that that that is being thrown on them because his completely untrue. So so there's a moral wound. There's a psych room wound and there's an exhaustion. So i suspect you're going to see a very large Level of retirement sicher. Thank you. i'm going to go to wall gardner if you just ask your question. I know had raised her hand. Yeah you hear me now. Yes and if you could identify yourself that be great on gardener. I write the An egghead dot com blog. I was also a teacher. For twenty. Eight years at the los angeles unified school district and a member of ut around the he is the point. I i've written about this often and of a p of the new york times often te with my letters. I understand the problem. with Getting added verses more empirical evidence. But if we have to agree that from the start of private and religious schools have been open from the beginning with very few infections and while public schools under your control have been closed. Now if that's the case how you defend your members and again. I'm a union supporter retired. How how do you. How do you defend your position. And if you say well it's just anecdotal. If the evidence coming up finds out it was not anecdotal. Would you admit that you were wrong. So look i. I mean i admit when i'm wrong. I wish more people would do that. I just thought and and l l letter d. Do the forward where i was really i. I said i was wrong. In the language i was using. I think more people should but well first off. I wish oregon had one hundreds of power you just attributed to to it I just because we're not control. The school systems. What we have done is we fought for james to be safe now in terms of the your basic theory on private versus public There are allowed private schools and religious schools. That have been open. There are also a lot that have not The the biggest charter system in new york success academy has stayed closed. I mean i shouldn't say closed. It's wrong word has has stayed remote for the entire time There are many private schools. I just saw some data on this. That are closing and will not reopen. Because they're going out of business because they've actually lost fifteen percent of their kids just saw this data a couple of days ago so and there were many or private schools that p ping ping from one of the first cares act and one of the reasons i'm so bullish on testing is because that is how they kept themselves open. They did the testing that the nfl did that. Did the testing that new york city school system did and and and they were very bullish about it. there's Also just fyi and a lot of my public sector. My public school friends were shocked that the f. supported this we supported Kids who are in private schools who are poor getting funding from the american rescue act program because this is a pandemic that has help. That has hurt everyone. So we're gonna learn over the course of the necks chew weeks in a where everyone is and i that we learn from everyone here and and instead of going and saying this is right and this is wrong. The last thing i'll say is our issue and the issue in la is. We're going to convince parents to bring kids back to school in la in new york in chicago the lion share majority. Black and brown parents are very reluctant to send their kids back to in-school roaring and so we'll issue we're going to have is. How do we convince them that. It's safe and that their kids are gonna have a safe welcoming and a furnace arena. Can i ask jacob question. Absolutely i'm going to turn it back to you carla. Thanks so jacob. There's gonna be a lot of money sloshing around. You know those a lot of money in that pandemic relief bill in some of it finally for state and local government and some of it finally for education. How are you preparing to cover how that money is being spent. You know whether it's being spent effectively and how it's being spent on your school systems. I think you know the biggest thing that we started out with is understanding. Who has the control over the money. what the parameters are set at the federal level and what discretion is at the state level and then from the state level what discretion will be at the local level Here in texas. Essentially all of the first Stimulus was what they called supplanted basically meaning 'a gave him the money but they took away an equal amount of money to fill some other holes Some of which were education related but we have seventeen eighteen million dollar billion dollars in the pipeline Which we don't know what they're gonna do that yet in frankly it is in the legislature the texas legislature and executive In their hands at the moment. So i think our biggest responsibility is highlighting that explaining to people what the kind of behind the scenes machinations of all that are and and illustrating the people. What this money. And we've written extensively about this what this money spent on what the the local educators want to spend this money on and even within that understanding you know how what are their needs And i think the there especially here in texas there are real questions around. They don't wanna just give school districts the cash in say spend it however you see fit. They want to see specific outcomes or they. Maybe they don't get that specific but essentially they have ideas for how that money should be spent And they want to have some more control over that and so explaining to people. Those power dynamics. I think is really important in explaining to people how this money could be used. And what the different options are available to the people in power making those decisions. is really. I think we're we start just sort of at the baseline as we're reporting that. I mean you had infinite stories there. I mean that's really that's number stories to track that money for a really long time. That's that's absolutely a part of it too is explained to people town massive. This amount of money is i mean. This is equal to one third of the operating expenditures for the entire state for public schools. It's extraordinary sorry. Arena back to you so we have two questions still hand raids. The first one from an abroad sman and if we have time i love to go back to cedar as well but i'm going to go to anna i Since she has a chance to ask a question fabulous thank you. can you hear me. Yes cleveland nfl yourself. Yeah no problem this is anna mitchell. I'm an education reporter with the posting. Her newspaper out of charleston. But i'm actually in greenville. Which is a pretty big county on and it's the biggest in biggest school system in the state yourself carolina they Speaking of the money we have in our state constitution a so called blaine amendments provision that blocks public money from going to private schools. And there's a lot of arguments for that saying you know. Public schools have to take every child regardless by I heard Randy speak in favor of supporting these kids in private. Schools who a lot of them are also low income But but it seems like we have a a a straight up block in our state constitution from allowing that to happen. And i'm just wondering. Yeah what where do they go from here. And how do you track that money if it does go to private schools while the so the state constitutions look. I'm a big believer in public money for public schools and in doing that but this is a pandemic and got her own place. and so that's why What i was saying to wall was. I think people were surprised because you know people. You people quite. Everybody needs to be to go boxes. But you know just like katrina just like other times in that the the money from federal government. You're way you're talking about is state money And those strictures. This was money from federal government And there should be some accounting for it and it can't go for religious purposes and it can't go for something somebody wanted to do in five years ago that they're going to spend it on it has to go to help specific kids in medial work in emotional and social academic will cover and that's and there will be. I assume that there will be regulations coming out of the prominent of education on then soon i also just wanted to take the opportunity by curtis jacob. There's a big issue brewing in in texas about whether they're going to take the money or not because of the maintenance of effort causes in with this in terms of making sure that there was no supplanting of now that they got the federal money. Are they going to you. Know decrease texas taxes in texas. Or are they gonna do other kinds of things to supplant the state money. So i was just i was wondering you know where where you think. That's gonna land is abbott. Actions gonna take federal money so that we can use it for kids or not to be honest. I wish that i had a better answer for you at this point. And i hate to pass this often too We have folks. Austin who are much more plugged in on this than i am at this point and i think those conversations are still somewhat. We heard the commissioner of the other day. Raise this kind of possibility issue. But there hasn't been much very specific at this point. I don't feel like personally. But i will again admit that we have some other folks who are much more plugged in that than i am and i can get back to you. If you'd like so i go ahead say i'd be curious on that south carolina issue 'cause equitable services are something in the beginning that phrase wrong but there has been federal money that has been going to a private schools for decades if i recall correct through is it equitable services by getting that name. Randy white is ecuador you know. The first covid relief plan talked about it as equitable services But it is also idea. Money tied one money. There are things that are done the civil rights purposes as long. You know that transportation money that's gonna write schools for you know for as long as i can remember. I'd just be curious if schools in south carolina have followed that for years and years or if this is or if they haven't we'll have to. We'll connect you after this call. Jacob said that you can have an offline conversation last year at the end of our time. So i unfortunately cannot go back to cedar. I'm sorry about that. But thank you too randi. Weingarten jacob Carpenter decarla n. Robbins for today's a really terrific conversation. i encourage you to follow them. You can follow. Cargo on twitter. At robins carla randy at our weingarten and The american federation a- teachers website af dot org. You can go there for some of the polling net randy mentioned and jakup at kron jacob So pleased follow them. 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Run by columbia university so uptown has a very very high kobe. Great right now. The covid rate. It was part of why i wanted to talk to randy. Because in spite of those numbers taking up many of the teachers she represents in new york city returned to the classroom. This week it was the latest twist in a rocky start to the city school year first school was delayed and then in person learning was shut down completely a few weeks back as the city scrambled to meet the demands of union leaders. People like randy. So i wanted to hear from randy herself. What changed we now. Have the data that shows that schools that that that younger kids have followed the rules and they don't transmit and that teachers in schools have followed the rules and so there's not a transmission in schools in early ed schools that people had feared. That's really good news but randy still isn't making a lot of promises about how long school buildings can stay open. It scares me a but i think part of the dilemma right now and part of why all of us are concerned is basically. When does the damn break in all of this stuff. Schools are not an island at one point or another. The community spread issue is going to be initial today on the show. When will the coronavirus be under control enough. That teachers and kids can go back to class. And how long can they stay there. It's a question randi. Weingarten has been puzzling out in public for months. I'm mary harris listening to what next stick with us Randi weingarten focuses a lot of her frustration about covid nineteen one place. The trump administration she says from the beginning that kept information about the virus from stakeholders people like her as early as february for the virus even had a name randy was teaming up with other union leaders trying to pressure the administration to act. She was still talking about containing the coronavirus back. Then she started raising the idea that schools might have to shut down pretty soon after that. In an appearance on cnn right at the beginning of march she issued a warning about precautions and preparedness. There may be a situation where schools will be closed. Silence have the week. That i was on cnn. As much as i didn't want schools to close you you didn't know what was going to happen with this contagion and i thought it was important to actually give people notice. I think part of the failure here is a failure of communication. We didn't have the information and clearly the administration was not talking. If you're not getting something consisted from the federal government. If you don't have what president obama did during a bola. You just had the doctors every day. Do a briefing. If there's nobody to end you're not getting a consistent message then what was happening as you just saw lots of panic and i felt like it was important to start a learning teachers and parents that We didn't know what was going to happen. We know that this was serious. And that you know there might be closure. So that's why i started raising it At the you know in the beginning of march but then that weekend right the weekend right before saint patrick's day once one school district. Close that you just saw a bunch of closures and but everybody thought it was only gonna be for two weeks. Yeah i mean. I remember that. I had a calendar in my house. Where i was sort of marking off okay. How much time are the kids going to be home with us. How how long are we going to be doing this. And we didn't know. Yeah but i think what's interesting listening to you. Is that over the months that followed the initial shutdown of schools. It seemed like there was such a tug of war between people in government and folks like you who advocate for your members. And what i'm hearing from you. Is that the trust between these. Two sides was broken very early on like before. We even really knew what was happening. What was broken was. Was that the people who should have known what was going on. Weren't talking or were denying and but you could see from facts on the ground that there was this very dangerous virus that was really harming people and so it creates huge cognitive dissonance. And and what i actually saw was that on the ground you know superintendents in our union reps were working as closely as they could and parents were listening to to everyone and teachers and turn on a dime to try to remote education so that was huge cooperation on the ground. Initially but with an absence of knowledge about what was going on rendis always been pretty clear. She wanted school buildings to open back up but she wanted them to open up safely. Randy's membership was cleared to back. in june. Seventy six percent of her teachers said they were ready to return to their classrooms in the fall but over the summer something shifted. President trump began advocating for teachers to return to school. Randy's membership bristled and randy stone changed to look. I'm a schoolteacher at heart. You have to be optimistic. When you're a schoolteacher you have to see you see potential everywhere particularly with children but then it went from optimism to anger over the summer watching the trump administration and betsy to boss and others attempt to pit parents against educators at at and not have a national plan and not do national resources and not do anything to help but then try to use it politically to pit the needs of parents and the needs of teachers and they weren't even doing any for childcare. You saw what was going on. And just i became livid because it was parents and students and educators were all pawns in whatever trump was doing and whatever devoss was doing and so it was really frustrating to try to figure out. What do you do in the fall. You got basically state after state after state doing different things. I was on cuomo host School reopening committee new york and so we had access to lots of information from there as well as from other places but every state was doing things differently and and ultimately you didn't have the underlying trust that you need to having a public health pandemic with people know what's going on and then you had all the fatigue and the economic issues all of which were really really really important and so what happens to kids and what happens to teachers and at the end of the day. Basically all of the responsibility that was supposed to be done from the federal government state governments city governments. All of that you know particularly federal government completely abdicated its responsibility. You mean the money wasn't there. The money wasn't there but also the guides so then it becomes left to local districts and teachers to figure out what to do. Nash slow once in a century. Pandemic i mean you gave the speech at your annual meeting that the washington post called blistering and i mean you can hear in your voice now that all of this passion is in you but you really pointed the finger. Donald trump president trump's response has been chaotic and catastrophic instead of deploying the public health tools at his disposal. He's downplayed the threat dismissed the advice of our nation's top scientists and public health experts and rushed to reopen and you said the country's confronting three crises this public health crisis and economic crisis and crisis of racial justice and one factor. One person is making them all worse. Donald trump and then raise the specter of strikes right and it seemed to me like an intentional escalation. Is that fair. I do a lot of things with some forethought end with intention. -ality i think that if you were a liberal leader you have to do that. It's not you know you cannot simply do things because of emotion or passion as much as you would like to purpose has to be aligned with passion here. The point about a safety strike was that if we couldn't get responsible agents to do what they needed to do then we needed to actually raise the specter of withholding services to get what we needed to do because we knew that educators wanted to be in school in person. If we had safeguards in place we knew that parents needed that kind of normalcy for their kids. We knew the kids needed education. Our our our members were never about well. Education will help open the economy. Our members are about education will help children so we know we knew that. But we weren't getting you know what we were seeing in school district after school district was what we don't have the resources so even though cdc says that you need mass. We don't have mass. We don't have the resources so you know we're not going to be able to do the physical distancing getting we don't have the resources so we're gonna foresake your health and safety and students often safety and we were like no. That's not okay with us. But i wonder if you ever saw this moment in the summer as a kind of opportunity because the president clearly wanted people back in school he kept having events and giving speeches and bringing it up so this is clearly something he wanted. Yes and i wondered if you ever thought all right then go to him and be like if you want this. Here's what we need. Look we always saw this as an opportunity but they have never talked to us meaning Betsy devos had one. When she was first confirmed i wrote to her and suggested that she come school with me and we She did and that was the last time. I had a conversation with our They just you know. They refused to talk to us. And so would the irony here is that we actually had the same wish about reopening schools but we had one more word there safely for students and so the the great irony is that they would have actually found a willing partner in terms of doing this. But i think that politically what i recall. Is this joe. Biden was at the ana convention over july fourth weekend. The national education association regulators association. And all of a sudden the next couple of days after that donald trump decided to Start with the tweeting reopen schools. Right now and i think he thought and his people must have thought that this was a good way of pitting people against each other as opposed to understanding that argh union and our members really believed that if we could reopen schools safely in the fall in person. We should try to do that while. I wonder if some in some ways he was right because you did have this huge surge of members who did want return to the classroom but when he started saying you gotta get back in there. It seems like it changed the tide a little bit. Well i think what happened was when i. He's polarizing figure regardless so the moment trump says anything you have lots of people who immediately will wonder why you know what his motivations are. So there's an immediate. You know wondering what he was up to having said that the real problem in terms of trump what trump did was that. He acted as if teachers were dispensable and children. were dismissable. The other thing that was going on is that. Cdc was watering down safeguards. The more you heard trump's rhetoric the more you saw. Cdc watering down. Its rhetoric and the safeguards and that also created real distrust back with more wet next after the break. This episode is sponsored by discover. You want hear something. Amazing discover matches all the cash. Back you earn on your credit card at the end of your first year automatically with no limit on how much you can earn. How is that in fact. It's even more amazing because of all the places where discover is accepted ninety nine percent of places in the us the take credit cards so when it comes to discover get used to hearing guess more often learn more at discover dot com slash. Yes twenty twenty nielsen. Report limitations apply. There's a bit of early data. They caught my attention. As i was preparing to talk to randi weingarten a couple of political scientists that looked at planned schools made in the fall to get kids learning again and then they cross reference dot with union information. They found districts was stronger. Unions seemed less likely to be holding in person classes. But when i asked her about this randy said it was just too simple to blame unions for the fact that so many kids are still learning from home because the district's with the strongest unions need them. They're often in urban areas. Were educators have good reasons to distrust the officials overseeing them and so you see in the biggest you know in the cities where you pad long term austerity issues. Where windows don't open with. There's no soap in schools. Knows the places where you see school systems being able to open in person. Because they couldn't stand up this safeguards and so you see that in chicago. You saw that in philadelphia. So you're saying it's the underlying issues that existed previously so the fact is that we know and many of us have wanted to reopen school buildings. But we go through the kind of safeguards that you need and frankly private schools were able to do them very quickly and you know in in many suburban schools where they had space and they do outdoor learning. And things like that you saw. That is well but what has happened in the last few weeks is you're seeing you know school systems all across america close again because of the spread and we in what you saw as well is the successful use of you know of collective bargaining in detroit in in new york city in boston. Too actually reopen schools. Randy's job is to tout her successes. So i asked her to do something else for me to tell me about a city that was struggling to reopen and explain if the union isn't holding things up what is i pick. Chicago were mayor lori. Lightfoot once the schools to open in january but the teachers union just filed an injunction to stop her. What is going on in chicago. Is that the mayor won't actually have any conversations with a chicago teachers union about opening up the mayor is just basically dictating when it should open. And how and they won't actually talked to the educators that's why the educators went to court. There there's lots of people in chicago that believe. That schools should reopen safely but the mayor refuses to talk to the schoolteachers. Why what's the reasoning. You will have to ask her. I don't know. I think it's still. There are still lots of lots of Real tension in education from the strike. That was like a year or two ago. Yeah there are times that a strike really changes the climate and the culture because nobody ever wants to get there again when in chicago. The tensions are still extent and so the difference. Is you have in boston. And in chicago and new york you have real conversations between the educators and the and the systems and it's not like the conversations are easy because everybody's fearful but in chicago. There's no conversation there's not conversation you're never gonna create truss because it's the teachers and the paris and the other workers in schools that are gonna lift up students and and so she's not talking to him but it leaves this vacuum where people can say well. The teacher's union and their document in chicago. They said that in order to open up they wanted paid sick. Leave and medicare for all stuff. That is too hard to resolve quickly right. But they're not amid look. I know that we have a couple of locals that have said that we want medicare for all and we want all sorts of other things happening but if you look very carefully at what the. Afc said We have been very clear that ultimately what we are bargaining for are the essential. Safeguards sets needed right now to reopen schools. You know the fact that people ask for the moon and the stars we all ask for that and that's something that you know that that people have you know want in terms of reimagining schools. We hear management. Say this all the time. This is a moment to reimagine. This is what i think we would want to do. If we could reimagine so that this is not this is not an issue about medicare for all. this is an issue of. Do you have ventilation system. That actually works in a school from the very beginning. Randy's been careful about how she talks about what unions to get their teachers back in buildings. She said before teachers return. The virus needs to be under control but of course the virus isn't under control not by a long shot. I mean i think what what people are talking about. What we're talking about is you gotta plateau what's going on. You can't have the virus going in the wrong direction in. Everyone who's gotten sick understands the extent to which this virus is dangerous to people's lives and we have the plateau it will have to get going in the other direction but new york city opened with rates rising. Was that a sort of calculated risk. Well i think that new york city. I think that that there was great confidence. Initially in Governor cuomo's Regional health approach and we saw that in september october. It actually worked with were over three hundred schools that opened and closed in september and october using those triggers. The triggers that are still really important in new york city. Are that if there's two unrelated cases in a school with this one case in a school. that classroom closes. If there's two unrelated cases in school a school is going to close for two weeks. If the school rate gets to two percent at school is gonna close if the rates in community are over nine percent. The schools are going to close in that area. I think it's going to be very very important to have the statistics. I just said out there. Communicated to parents enter teachers because we have to first and foremost make sure that people stay schools. Are we going to be open around the country. Come spring a garden. Thank you so much for joining me. Thank you really appreciate it. Randi weingarten is the president of the american federation of teachers. And that's the show. What next is produced by alina schwartz. Daniel hewitt mary wilson and davis land. We are getting a ton of help from for any kelly these days a leash gummy and alison benedict. They help steer the ship. And i'm mary harris or catch you back in this feed tomorrow. This episode is sponsored by discover. You want to hear something. Amazing discover matches all the cash back. You're on your credit card. 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Teachers Union Lawsuit Claims DeVos 'Capriciously' Repealed Borrower Protections

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Teachers Union Lawsuit Claims DeVos 'Capriciously' Repealed Borrower Protections

"One of the nation's largest teacher's unions is suing Education Secretary Betsy Devos as NPR's Corey Turner reports. The American Federation of Teachers Says Devos acted arbitrarily the and capriciously. When she repealed a rule meant to protect student loan borrowers? The rule is called gainful employment and it was written during the Obama Administration. When the Ed Department noticed a disturbing pattern at many for profit colleges and career training programs lots of evidence that these sorts of programs were leaving students sounds riddled with debt and no ability to repay the debt. Dan's Zil is representing the Teacher's Union. And he says after the department saw this pattern it began Dan working on a new rule. It said if you're a for profit college or training program and you're claiming to prepare students for gainful employment we're GONNA make you prove it it and if you're graduates debts consistently eclipse their earnings. We may cut you off from all federal student. Loans and grants Zigal says has for many for profit schools. That threat was a doozy. You cut that source of revenue off. You're in pretty deep trouble even before the gainful Employment Rule took effect in Twenty fifteen. Some schools lowered tuition and raised quality. Steve Garson heads career education colleges and universities diversity's a national organization that represents career training programs and he remembers many for profit schools scrambling to improve to avoid a reckoning with with the ED department. The opponents of the sector should just declare victory and go home because their message was heard and the sector responded but hundreds of programs did did not improve and before the rule could fully kick in. Betsy Devos repealed. It saying it unfairly targeted the for profit sector in its place says says danceable. The Department left a hole. This is not them. Changing the definition of gainful employment. This is them simply deleting the entire a`regulatory structure and not replacing it with anything in a statement. Ed Department spokesperson Angela. Morabito says the department will vigorously defend. Its final no regulation rescinding this deeply flawed rule when I reached the head of the American Federation of Teachers Randi Weingarten. It was a windy day in Puerto Order Rico and she was surveying earthquake damage. Weingarten says she hopes this lawsuit sends a clear message to Voss protect the the students of United States of America not for profit entities. That are making a buck off. The the department insists it is protecting students. Instead of the government policing some schools department says it's putting important debt and earnings data the online for all schools. For All to see this way says Steve. Gunderson students can decide for themselves. What programs aren't working. I think that what the department has done will turn out to be the most significant public policy to protect perspective students across the board critics. Of course see the repeal very differently that this new policy is essentially caveat. EMPTOR buyer buyer. Beware students are now on their own as they try to find a program that will truly prepare them for Gainful Employment Corey Turner N._p._R. News Washington.

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