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Merriam-Webster's Word of the Day

01:38 min | 1 year ago

evince

"Merriam Webster's word of the day for July twenty eighth. Today's word is events spelled E. V. I n.. C. Events is a verb that means to constitute attitude outward evidence of it can also mean to display clearly to reveal. Here's the word used in a sentence from Jacksonville by Meghan Reynolds Randall Park is solid handsome capable and utterly charming a leading man whose talents wants as sly foil to a larger more outsized personality evinced by his performance in fresh off the boat are given their full do here let us conquer any uncertainty. You may have about the history of the word events that's it derives from the Latin word ev- inquiry meaning to vanquish or to win a point and can be further traced to VINCA ray the Latin word for to conquer in the early sixteen hundreds events was sometimes used in the senses to subdue or to convict of Error Meanings evincing the influence of its Latin ancestors. It was also sometimes used as a synonym of its cousin convince but that sense is now obsolete one early meaning.

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Episode 66: They Call Us Randall Park & Michael Golamco

They Call Us Bruce

1:20:32 hr | 2 years ago

Episode 66: They Call Us Randall Park & Michael Golamco

"Hello and welcome to another edition of they call us. Bruce bruce an unfiltered conversation about what's happening asian america. I'm phil you and i'm jeff yang and what is happening asian america well this week. There's only one thing we've only one thing there's news. There's world news probably going to war with iran or north korea don't matter as big and as the release both in theaters and on netflix <hes> of always be my maybe our favorite movie of. I think like my life i can. I say even going into this year. It was one of my most. Maybe my most anticipated movie they more than like vendors more than like anything. Anything honestly like randall park was born <hes> and in fact. We have random part a. These star co writer our producer of always. Maybe <hes> and michael glogau also co writer and a scribe of the stage names. I write things people. Pay me and that's a big deal. It's nice. I mean like we're you know we're all intimately familiar with this process and capitalism. It's nice to be a part of it. I feel you. I feel like <hes> writing. Exposure is more moral some ha it is it is an alley is on her way back from denver so she wishes she could be here. We love her also. It's i love like kind of associate with this movie well. That's one of the things i mean. I think going into this movie everything about this movie. <hes> is is so built on so much like phantom goodwill like just love of you read a park in allie wong. I mean just the name alley wall along and randall park like that is what those people the prosper to those two together as a couple in a movie is what kind of got this made in always rate. I d- say allie wong got the the the star power of allie wong but sure i. I don't think i heard the you know the possibility thing mike hurt we certainly helped helped like halley wong and college friends along those guys no but the reality is there was a kind of a perfect storm of both talent community here <hes> randall obviously you've been the mainstay of fresh off the boat for five going on six seasons now <hes> also one of a few people to span both the dc marvel universe's. I mean dude. That's great. That's a limited club. I think it's only like only hand. If you handful of people who have done i think so and i think if you can get into star wars also <hes> that's like the e got ah but michael also i mean you know you were writing for television for many years right for grim for a few years and night flyers s. last last season and and now the screen right right yeah <hes> you know always be monday with <hes> like randall and ali who are incredible writers to. I mean like alleys writing for television for a long time in like randy like of course like you know we we. We started writing together back in college. You know what i'm sure. We'll get into that but let's kind of get into it because i felt it was the origin story in some ways. I mean maybe less. I actually describe a for those guys who haven't seen it always be my maybe <hes>. Let's let let me interject because like <unk> depending on when people listen to this. It's coming out as we record. This is coming at the end of the week. You know people will be able to catch it on netflix but we'll probably sprinkling spoiler retype stuff during this conversation so whether or not you want that in your brain rain while you watch it or not. I just listened with discretion. I suppose right we won't we won't hit. The biggest beats which i think you need to kind of. Go and clean with the at the very least you get a sense with the plot. Is i mean. Let's just talk about it right. It's it always be my baby is about a pair of <hes> thirty something thing <hes> asian-americans <hes> alley wong plays a a successful celebrity chef. <hes> randall park plays is this guy guy and marcus. Marcus lives at home <hes> his dad. He's in a band. He's he's happy. He's happy with where he's at but he's always been at that place always at that place never move on and and that's kind of like the the central theme here like alleys character place somebody somebody who constantly moving and trying to rise and marcus reynolds character is kinda stuck in a place right <hes> but they've also been childhood friends for instance forever and but they have a falling out. They have a falling in. There's there's this like a night of passion. <hes> that's kinda under spoiler s bows and then and not you know they don't meet again until adulthood. I guess which is kinda crazy but let's let's jump into their so so the idea of writing this i mean the germ of this idea of of <hes> to asian americans who literally live next door to each other and and become friends kind of forever was that was that where this began. I mean where where did the idea for. Maybe germinate <hes> well it. It came about because <hes> the new yorker did a profile on allie wong and in the <hes> interview she they asked her what she was gonna do next and she had mentioned yeah. Well you know randall and i always talked about you know doing making a movie together. Com like our version of harry met sally and this was something that we talked about out but <hes> you know just kind of casually talked about it and she just threw that into the interview didn't really think it would get in the interview because so much doesn't get what in the in the final version of the interview but then it made it in the interview and then a vulture and all these other online places picked it up and they've basically wrote this letter to hollywood. Please make this movie and <hes> then our reps just got inundated with calls for this script which didn't exist. We didn't even have a script so so allie and i were like there seems to be a high demand. Let's just let's write <hes> so we started to bang out an outline and we worked for <hes> probably for a while just meeting every week <hes> <hes> if not a couple times a week just banging out this outline and then at a certain point. We were like we gotta we gotta bring in <hes> one of the best riders we not to to help oh bus and we brought in mike oh. I thought you were going to say that after you couldn't find that person called me. I was thank you i appreciate. I have a roommate was hey so mike came in three of us. <hes> a kind of tighten that outline and then we just we just got to work and we really kinda wrote it pretty quick. <hes> yeah it was. I like honestly like this is the fastest i've ever seen hollywood. Go yeah yeah <hes> yeah it. It does not work like this usually right. I mean we banged it out. <hes> real quick how many days we literally like <unk> <hes> first draft written over christmas break done by the new year right and then we worked on it like we would like hang out together meet up like every week or so and and for like what six weeks seven weeks and then we had a draft at a draft did a small informal table read with some friends right it was it's a really fun did some rewriting and then we sent it off to <hes> to net flix specifically and we were like if you guys wanna make it if you don't we're gonna take it to town and they they snatched it up. Why did you decide net flicks out of all the various platforms i well we there was alleys existing relationship with net flicks because i had done a bunch of netflix stuff at that point and <hes> for us the most important thing was that movie get made. We just wanted to get made. We didn't care how it was going to be seen. We wanted to get made and we wanted people to see it. That was the main thing <hes> and we figured it didn't matter to us how how that would come about <hes> so we figured netflix was was the place where we would most likely be able to make it and it wouldn't sit in some some sort of development hell and <hes> and it it just moved just moved like right away. They were like yeah. Let's look for some producers. We hired on nathan cahaney. Hey aaron westerman and good universe. Just look for director okay. We can't you know we're meeting with these directors great. Oh ninotchka khan was attached to another movie and that fell through and right away. We're like oh. We gotta get notch yeah <hes> so that was one of the great blessings of i mean amongst a ton on of great blessings that that this project experience and then we're off to the races. I'm curious. If <hes> you're totally right i mean this is like this was very fast and that <hes> i was looking to past week. <unk> might tweets because i tweeted that vulture article out and that was it was like twenty fall twenty sixteen or something like that. <hes> and i and i really wanted this week and i was like so. This worked out yeah yeah. You're like no sir dramas with this stuff amazes. Can you tweet about myself now. Uh now but i'm curious about if there was one thing about this movie and jeff and i were talking about this. It's so unflinchingly the asian american in a lotta ways that you can't even sort of specify but it's the bones you know and as you can testify <hes> i'm curious if there was anything that was <hes> that netflix or if you had people outsiders coming in and be like i don't get this or this or anything like that was her at on think there was there was no resistance to anything you know i mean like i think the the thing that people really responded to was the emotional journey of these characters and like you know the the humor to in like everything else like the specificity like no one ever really objected to anything <hes> which is you oh really nice and we never set out to a. We're going to make a super asian american film. You know it's just we would just wanted to tell a story from an authentic place you know because that is such a huge part of who we are consciously it just made its way into the story you know and <hes> <hes> mm-hmm yeah. There wasn't really any pushback really. I think it's it's sort of interesting that we <hes> we see that terai that it's it's something which <hes> feel so obvious for us that there are all these embedded kind of textual and tech stroll roll elements that are are asian-american from cameos you know from the music from even the context of it being in the bay area and like literally like everybody around and you is asian american but that's the bear you know. It's like it's organic right and i mean part of what makes it interesting. Is that we we don't. I think we're trained not to think that we see <hes> a simpler. You know all like a wes anderson production writing or oh some other like mostly white or all white casts <unk> aside or some or the hamptons you sort of feel oh well it's part and parcel of the landscape <hes> the it's the culture there's depicting but this is really the first time i feel like in a mainstream and you know quote unquote mainstream right <hes> <hes> highlight hollywood movie <hes> with all the bells and whistles where that organically asian-american sensibility just it kind of fell off the screen radiated <hes> and like you said it's just because it's where you come from a reflection of our lives you know <hes> <hes>. I forgot what i was gonna say at that out never a debt. I what i would say that it's because a lot of the roots of this movie actually do stretch back like much farther than just you know christmas two thousand sixteen or wherever i mean you guys they have been working on this for most of your adult lives in a way you all connected. I via college though not necessarily in college right because you weren't on. Mike and i connected in college. Yeah so tell us a little bit about your your backstory like the origin story of of you ali and and mike so mike and i were <hes> students is at u._c._l._a. And when we were undergraduates we <hes> a group of us linked up started a decided to we kinda fancied ourselves as playwrights. Mike was collegiate playwright. I was college student but he was a was back to that but he was really good at it and and and we're just trying to be good at it but <hes> but we wanted a place to perform these players that we had written so we decided to form a theater the company <hes> on campus and it was an asian american theater company and we want to tell stories stories from our perspective you know with no <hes> rules outside at at and john ra- any you know but we we kinda naturally lean towards comedy. I don't know why that was just like kind of what i think like like the the very first show that we did right that you wrote. I mean like i think like that was really comedy forward and it was hilarious. I think that that set the tone for a lot. Can you describe that very first production and well. It was a full length play called the tree house bachelor society and it was a <hes> to be honest with you. I was trying to wrack my brain about this. All i remember was it was about a just the group of guys who hung out on campus and <hes> that's all i remember we're trying to meet girls like seriously right and like it was about <hes> a lot of it was the roots of like you know romantic comedy. Hey was what was it was very much a romantic comedy and <hes> but it was also about what it means what it meant to be an asian man or issues of masculinity and defining what it means to be an asian man and it was all stuff. I was going through college right now. I think the fun thing was that like you know there are ways as to approach that like like really like bitter angry kinda waiter but the way he approached it which you know i think a lot of people gravitated towards was like it was funny. He didn't take it too seriously and i i think yes and the headlines going around the block like where the college shows. I mean we every show. Was you know we had to turn people away at the door and then i remember those early shows just being in awe like i can't. I can't believe this like their people want to hear these stories stories and it's so funny that this is the conversation like the the world is having right right now and this is something that we saw firsthand you know in nineteen ninety six nine thousand nine hundred ninety six and took you know like twenty years years to get to a point. We actually could create one of these things for the big screen right. Now i mean that's one of the things which has always been a little bit of like a ahead knocker. I don't think anybody who was inside. Any of our world's had any doubt those both the talent and the demand it was just like you can't connect those two things up without an infrastructure and money and just you know a sense of possibility which i think a lot of us have never really seen in the real world but you know that's what we've been doing this whole time. I mean pretty much nonstop. Since those days you know if not making making more plays he's right <hes> in college and after college and <hes> making web videos and shorts and and and web series is and and <hes> doing stand up stand standards doing sketch i mean we've been doing that so <hes> but yeah without the big corporate backing the lines yeah well so how did what was the name of the theater company again is it was called the coyote that cares theater company and still around right around. It's it's in its twenty almost twenty fifth year fifth year. Yeah yeah you listen like they're like. We're at the premiere last week and there are a bunch of folks there. We're going to our actors and like they all. Are there all alumni from from l._c. Right it was pretty cool to see if you look at the list like there's a lot of people that we know a lot of folks who are still in the in the business like grinding out and like made names for themselves. Well yeah yeah. I mean i think could particularly in our era like a lot of us went on to stay in this field <hes> yeah and and to do really well in it. I mean <hes> well allie ellie obviously right yeah. Ali came after <hes> after we graduated right yeah but <hes> but we you know kept in touch with a lot of the theater later people <hes> from from u._c._l._a. And we kind of all met or i know i did <hes> i met allah through those people <hes> shortly after i graduated and you worked with alli like after you graduate yeah yeah finan sketch stuff and yeah we did we did we did improv and sketch stuff and and and <hes> when i started doing standup alley had moved to san francisco started doing stand up and we you know every time i'd come up north. We hit the rooms together and she always always like had a room for me to perform up there. He is amazed like i remember like i distinctly remember this like we're hanging out and it was like eleven even at night right now. It's like okay. I'm going to go home now and she's like. I gotta go guys in really you know go home and she was like there's a there's a there's a show i'm gonna go do like you know i'm gonna go. Did you stand up right now and i was like are you. Are you fucking kidding no but that was that was just kind of like her her thing she loves it and like she loves it. That's yeah she wasn't asthma. She was born to do that she. She's always been kind of like a maximum degrees of difficulty persons like i won't actually perform a net afflicts comedy show unless i'm like eight months pregnant right like when your doctor's like hey don't do that please. I'll do that yeah. I mean. She's just she's so great great because i think she's her comedy is necessary. In a lotta ways like people need to hear <hes> what women's bodies go through <hes> you know <hes> they need to understand on that because like unless they understand it in emotionally they're never gonna get it and you know unless people understand those things like you. Don't get the legislation relation past. You don't get the you know but like her voice out there. Is i really think that's why a lot of women connect to a lot of people i think she i think she's the the comedian and of this generation. I think you know you had chris rock and and <hes> eddie murphy and lenny bruce at one point you know like i i really feel like she. She is the the the relevant comedian our time right now. It's so funny because you know maybe cobra light just plum stir on like like an atomic bomb went off right and a lot of people i talked to like like a lot of asian americans who liked became instant offense for them. It was like who the fuck is allie like. Oh my god god is she was. She came out of nowhere. Yeah became like a pop pop than seeing a fully formed like phoenix brian. Nobody nobody really knows what she's been doing this. They're very long time. Yeah like you know they say that. <hes> overnight says actually like twenty years. Here's yeah i feel like this. This movie is like the kind of the purest example of that where like all the pieces kind of had to come together after twenty years. Here's a sort of refining this process and then no doubt no doubt i mean the same goes for natasha khan i mean this is <hes> you know being being a show runner is probably the hardest job in the industry. You have to do everything you know and <hes> and she's ran two successful shows and a <hes> <hes> is so highly respected in the industry but also just beloved by everybody because she's just such a cool person. She's a really good person. When you meet her like she's like it's you know those people that are like you meet them and like they give you all of their attention yeah and she typically show under does not have the time to do that now but she makes the times that can't say something and i'm not trying to embarrass anybody in this room but that is actually something which across the board people say say about you randall and you know mike michael also it's like i feel the one of the things that's really kind of remark about. This production is that it seems to have aggravated all league good. I'm a terrible person. <hes> i'm just a little bit bydesign. Though you know i think because alley and i you know it's it started with us and we would never bring in anybody who was not not a nice person like it's like we're too old for that point. You know like yeah who needs a drama. I'd rather have fun during the the process of making it and have a shitty thing come out then like have an nightmare <hes> experience and then have like a great thing. You know it's to me. That's more important. I mean <hes> hopefully in this case. We had a lot to find and the movie turned out really great <hes> but but we we made sure to hire people that that we liked and <hes> <hes> <hes> and they just happened to be the most talented people. Can we talk about two of them. In particular one is daniel day. Kim incredibly talented talented guy also one of the sort of pure souls. I feel i can hollywood dance great <hes> and then <hes> this this guy what's his name <hes> <hes> some like obscure secure elevated him but no matter door this guy. Who was that okay. Yeah i really we feel like you know he's been going through. This full-fledged renaissance. I mean john wick. I was a huge thing with that but there's something about how even throughout this period of you you know his highs and lows in his career. No one has ever ever said a bad thing about the man in effect on the stories of how incredibly nice and altruistic and and kind he is our legendary and and you guys somehow captured him for this from the wild i mean i i don't want to spoil anything on this but can you talk a little bit about how you how you manage to get cannon and was that an early processing or did that kind of come along you. You know really early in the morning at some point delirious lights <unk> categories. Now i mean earlier a he was our our main choice. We wanted keanu. There was no oh way we were going to get him but we you know and he was like our dream choice and we had all these <hes> we had a whole list of of of options that we were you know basically gonna go to none of which on name but kiana was the perfect person and we wanted to get someone who is iconic. Someone who is asian american would be would have been a perfect and super good looking super super <hes> well-known like soon as you see him you know him <hes> but also someone who is who can do comedy and someone who is willing to make fun of <hes> themselves a little bit might have to cut that part out you know i mean the part of what makes this movie work in some ways. I think everybody it's like there's laughing with and laughing at them yeah right yeah. I mean this is. There's any humor in here. That's cruel humor at the expense of anybody. Most of the humor is like people will kind of you know in various ways expressing their own foibles right like i think as asian americans particularly as people of color. We were tired tired of cruel humor at people's expense <hes> <hes> even i. I think the the sharpest lines come from alley because that's why not right but even then the way she says them. It's like you know you can tell from a good place you know and most of those. I think are that you anyway randall. Daniel cam gets on yeah yeah. That's true but that character really anyway. You'll see how they so good. He's so perfectly cast in in that role he he he like really he wanted to be a part of it. You know he really wanted to be a part of it and and we couldn't believe it. We're like really oh my god. Yes yeah of course <hes> but he's just he's such a saint he just won't he's just so supportive supportive. He wants to support. He wants to do whatever he can to help. I mean he was perfect for the role and the fact that he was so eager to help us out <hes> really <hes>. It just says so much about him. I think that when <hes> the trailer i broke and i was able to like say a little bit about it. <hes> i was <hes> ah just dying to kind of go into it a little more but we're all locked up social media and i saw like a month ago on a month ago and i could not say i decide my life away even then they were like you can't say anything about kyoto wants came. I was like oh i can now. He's in this <music> dia sitting on my hands. Dying people talk about it. I was like you know. This feels to me very much. It's like what you would get if you had like a a bunch of asian american studies. You know majors from u._c._l._a. We just have the incredibly talented and like each other foods asian-americans sketch comedy theater troupe <hes> finally saying look when we get big enough. We're gonna make a movie and just cast every awesome person in asia in hollywood like all the a-list asia stars almost right and that is just kind of what is onscreen. It's remarkable to me that it it just feels like such a pure product. <hes> like a linear extension almost nothing we could plotted it from where you guys began to to hear. I mean the it feels like the humor <hes> even the narrative and the kinds of dynamics around. They're all are all things that could easily have been stuff. You're exploring back in lieu the coyote that cares totally yeah <hes> yeah i think a lot of it is just like the trust given <hes> by netflix to <hes> alley randall handle and notch you know and knowing their their track records and just like knowing who they are as people you know of course like part of it is like is is that like that willingness to you know that generosity to to let them be yeah it was it was like energy like all the way around was just so oh great and positive and supportive and our executive netflix who worked on the film rush lean into here the the the the two executives gives that we're kind of assigned our movie and they just got it you know and they they were just so it was just such a tight knit group and we had dinner like every night during production and you know and it was just like joyful. It was really joyful and i think that kind of you know it was part of the reason why there was so much support court from it from within like <hes> because it just felt like right now a little bit at the music because the role in that's that's right <hes> again. How much the floors. I don't know but you know your character a musician yeah the i wanted the band name. That's kind of a joke that's or i don't know if hell apparel greatly up <hes> dave and you're you're the front man of this band. The band also includes charlie lyrics born kearns tony tony <hes> all of whom are brilliant current current sony by the way i i was like oh my god. It was amazing yeah so great and charlene very small role but the athlete kills it uh-huh yeah. The music comes from a place like in u._2. Right yeah i mean that was based on the span that i used to be in and it was kinda like well. What if the span band kept playing and playing and now we're way older and still enjoying it you know and that's it's <hes> that's what the ba- like literally that was the ban the ban kind of even sounds a little similar you know <hes> <hes> but yeah yeah that was some in another they're part of our kind of real life that made it into the script <hes> and there was a lotta that did you write the songs. You guys say yeah we well. We we hire dan. The automated automated automated legendary bay area producer to to make the music and <hes> <hes> you know we gave him the parameters four instruments the band can only use those four instruments and <hes> <hes> and <hes> he got to work and just sent us these beats that were just incredible and i wrote the lyrics and lyrics born actually in one of the songs has a verse and that's his verse that it's it's not in the movie but it it'll it'll it'll see the light of day and his verses incredible video data but there but the music is is you know it is important to the story that the music be good because you know the whole thing is marcus has talent and the ban has potential and they're wasting it you know and and <hes> and also he you know he he sasha thinks he's super talented and and and <hes> <hes> so it was important that the the music sound right so yeah and dan killed it healed up dan so much and i mean he he also especially like i said leading <unk> producer of the bay area but also just like one of those influential hip hop producers in history <hes> absolutely and you know obviously lyrics lurks born go way way back also right yeah but it felt like one of those things where totally if you're going to set a movie in this period you we need to have learners born in there. You need to have dan automatically. I mean that was early on. We'll all we were writing. Psycho man be so cool if we add lyrics born in this. I didn't even know he was. He acted you know and we literally the call. They got a hold of them say and we didn't know if he could actually like the i audition for this part and he read for it and he was so great and we were like oh my gosh. He's he's great so so we got him and he was down to do it. Yeah i know that also does it probably spoiler but there's like in a background scene also spotted what'd d._j. Q-bert on the street i see yeah now's like you couldn't put together this incredible like bay area sort of like triumvirate triumvirate of like hip hop luminaries asian-american. Hey bob winners in there in this movie perfect perfect yeah. That's a cameos in their eh. T-shirt cameos fills t shirts <hes> i've gotten i've gotten at least to press calls about the shirt well it ended up in the press photo like every article has your shirt and people were like people writing stories about the fashion alley looks incredible. She looks at lisa evans. She's this amazing costume designer that i've worked with before and other movies and <hes> yeah again she someone we loved. We went after him. We got her yeah michael at at so in writing this in writing this like one of the things which actually struck me also about the way that the the landscape kind of veld <hes> is it's not just kind of authentically organic asian-american. It's also like asian american diverse right like the characters you know all come from different ethnic contexts and different backgrounds yet they all kind of find the way together and you've got you know even the two main the two lead league characters korean-american and chinese vietnamese and playing that on screen and then filipino south asia and etc so in that how the characters were conceived and written well it feels like i mean like sasha and marcus you know <hes> alleyen randall in the in the movie <hes> they they grew up together. You know and i think like you know in talking about asian-americans like you know yes. We have we are of different ethnicities but a lot of us grew grew up together like going to school with like randy and link crew back at u._c._l._a. Everybody yeah and we we we had no. I mean like we we are just a bunch of asian kids trying to do stuff. You know so all of us together. I mean it really. I think that's why it feels organic and yeah you know because we that it was just how we grew up. Yeah i mean that was just a real to us. We don't see that really unscreened because in part because having more than one asian on screaming even time rule yeah but other times usually one ethnicity. It's like we're going to set the chinatown create town in a family whatever but this is maybe one of those this kind kind of blew him on so much of this feels like the first really authentically like pan-asian you know <hes> movie of this tight <hes> and it all works yeah yeah technical back real quick to my to my t shirt disclosed dammit phil. Why didn't you just interview your t-shirt. <music> share out artists irene cho. She's the one who actually drew the illustration of the female in shirt the killer designers it's so great and so i just wanted to irene yeah. I think there are two of your shirts and one is <hes> reynolds wearing another. The one word quit montage that one is kind of a kaija ask dragon monster thing and it's spy artist's name ethan young so shout it to ethan irene the real star search all right so we've got about a thirty. The minute ish mark right. Maybe we take a little break yeah yeah so we'll take a break. We'll take posture station identification and when we return we'll do our favorite segment the good the bad and the w. t. f. so stick around break and we're back all right so on the second half of the calls bruce. We're going to dive into our signature segment the good the bad and the w._g._n. Jeff yang would you please lay down the rules of engagement. I will so for those guys who are frequent listeners <hes> <hes> and hopefully that's most of you. You know that this is a round table segment of the episode where we walk through a topic three times in the first time it's going to be you know about the good the pleasant the positive the wonderful about that topic the second time it'll be you know the things that <hes> may take off offer frustrate us. You know just make a little sad about that topic and then finally the w._f. Doesn't the good or bad but puzzling you know the things that are still a bit of a conundrum about that topic and we thought this episode we were going to do the good the bad the half of <hes> making making an asian amount like an extra asian-american vilma film with all your old friends and this kind of organically asian-american sensibility ability. I'd like to think it's all good right but they're probably a few things that are a little more difficult. Perhaps you know when you when you go into a film like that whether it's even just like figuring out how to promote it perhaps <hes> i think the flip side of that a part of that is yes. It's about making an asian american film but it's one that's also making one for popular consumption right. There's that that's that that wrinkle to it. You know how you bridge from the indie sensibility in some ways of american american cinema into the mainstream whatever that even means and also. I like the good the bad and the w._f. Of like kind of not being in asia american film all the other times. You guys have been working on these productions. There's there's a certain this clearly a difference and that's what we want to. We want to interrogate here. I guess and <hes> let's let's start with michael okay. We're going to stay out of what is comment add color but it's gonna be issue too so we'll start with you michael. You mean start with a good good. Oh god there is so much good on. I mean just like being on set for for instance right in like not only. Are you know your friends like in front of the camera but man like just hanging out at the video village you you know just it felt like that like a party because we were working right but it felt like something really special was happening. <hes> something that like i was like really trying to savor every moment of it and you know how we're always on our phones these days and like you're somewhere else like i was like okay. I'm not gonna look at my phone. I'm just gonna take this all in remember it so that like you know when i'm like old and gray in shriveled up until like a little yoda like being i can like. I remember remember heard that i was on set for something really great being on there and like my friends were there and you know <hes> wow what a great memory and when things as you just hold on staring intently yeah. I mean like you know i mean he's. He's like an angel. Also there's craft services there so look it was was like the absolute. There was a combination of the american dream free food over there. Your friends are hanging out like you got paid money to be here and like it's what more do you want want reno like our founding fathers like okay. It's going to be like shooting a movie <hes> your friends and there's craft services so like you know we the people can get that done that that is <hes> a little slice of paradise and i- curiosity craft services. Did you guys ask for anything. Special crafts take these days like as people know out there. You know i love diet coke. <hes> you know like one of our when i was working on graham one of our as as with like <hes> like matt. I love that <hes> he was like mikey. No you should know this. You drink eighty dollars worth of diet coke every month. I'm not telling you to stop op. I'm just giving you the numbers to make you don't and i was like keep becoming. You know so it's always there. You know which is nice like you know it. Can reconnects meet to jive corporation whenever i drink it and like it's a good feeling that's that's in the ryder and my partner but no i. It sounds like a very it was a very special set. Certainly i will never forget it and like you know like honestly like wherever ever our paths lead us like i always remembered it can always come back to that moment in like there are a lot of moments for us as friends like we can dial back and go remember the opening night of this remember that and it's like the same people are always there and you know our friends and it's like okay. Well all like doing something right. I felt like that on the night of the premiere. Honestly yeah we were all there and like you know they're not just people the move but like just people from the community role there and it just felt like after it was over. I just felt like i felt like that was start of something special. You know i just felt like a like a moment where i texted you the the next day. I was like i really i really i don't vote <hes>. I kinda felt like you know there have been maybe three big beats over just like the last half decade where that special feeling emerged. I mean you know a fresh off the boat that one screening party we had for the very first episode and ah like this korean club called circus circle not circus. It was a circus <hes>. We're like freaking. Fifteen hundred people showed up at a max capacity one thousand one thousand person house to watch t._v. Show that they could wash it home. Just wanted watch with other asian americans and then you know christians i mean when when people start self organizing these screening parts and everything just felt like shatman you know people care and then now like the thing about that that premier party was it really felt like a beat of not just aspiration but satisfaction in some ways like we're finally feeling less uncertain about getting there. What was the wrap party like out of curiosity. If you can disclose already was in well so we kind of had to wrap parties because we shot the bulk of it in vancouver and we did a wrap party bear with the the whole vancouver crew and <hes> we held it in a a kind of a coffee shop event slash events space that <hes> that we shot a scene that actually didn't make it in the movie but there is a scene where you see us as teenagers in the band is about to play like a young version of one hour hello payroll that was also shot in the same location and that's where we had our our wrap party hardy and it was just such great fun you know it was it was amazing because that crew was so great and <hes> about but but a lot of new we we had still had work to do because we were going to go on into san francisco and and and shoot a few weeks there and <hes> and then we had another app party in san francisco and this is all great. It was just a great groups of people. I was curious whether you had anything here in l._a. Like an nakahara right now no okay. That's like one of the sort of sidelong cameo in the movie right the chef behind mce wasn't the food consultant yeah and it kind of the inspiration for for the character sasha she came up with the all the dishes in the in the the fancy restaurant scene and <hes> and they're just so funny yeah that was her. That was all her. I gotta tell you <hes> that reminds me like i watch. When i watch the the movie i watched by myself in an empty theater at netflix right so like i loved it from <unk> every moment of it but like i will say like it played played so much better with crowd scenes whereas like this is funny but then when i start with the credit like oh this is so funny and that's why if you live dana select city right yeah make sure to see it in the theater. I'm just going to say that the that restaurant scene gene <hes> was a the most brilliant scenes i've seen in american comic cinema period right <hes> and the falls in the hotel a different kind of brilliance but it's it's like it goes into the dead letter off your mind every every beat in that is so just painful awkward brilliant larry ask in every single way <hes> also shut up by the way to vivian bang very difficult role in some ways yeah kills it kills it and and she she's an old friend. Yeah we've known her for out of el-sisi we form this <hes> a theater company called propaganda and mike and i were in that and vivienne was a member of bad theater company layers all right rental onto you guys see i was gonna say working with my friends. Mike took that and then i was gonna say the premier playing the game on you took that those there's gotta be something good on well. You know i we'll say the premier again because and i'll say because of this and wood none. None of us had any say in this. This was just it was fate. The the premiere was in westwood and it was on at the regency in on brockton <hes> right there where i used to write plays right at the coffee coffee shop used to be right there on brock next dee rees and for our theater company and it just and again yeah all the you guys were there all these people we i love where there and also all these <hes> old el-sisi members from throughout the year showed up and <hes> including the ones from our era who were still like aac frank great friends with and we see them all the time and <hes> it was i don't know it just felt so surreal and dreamlike because <hes> all of these things were you know from our past coming back and and on a personal level but then on top of that it's like we made this movie and that's crazy z. You know and and then on top of that people i mean i had never been so premier where the laughter was rolling so much that you you miss jokes. You know <hes> <hes> ability right. I mean there are things where it's like. They're they're back to back jokes. You're building the joke right and people were laughing too hard at the the bill joke to the final the final thing that's a plus like watching it on netflix. You can watch it again and again a shore kimmy schmidt. I'm a huge fan of that and like the joke density in that show is is incredible and i think the density in this movie the joke density is is like is the same density of you know like you got to watch it two or three times to get everything i mean that was a huge you know ah obviously for for for allie and i and mike we wanted it to be funny really funny <hes> and <hes> you know with with notch at the helm and then all the pieces were there and yeah can i can ask actually about that 'cause if feels like you can almost see it's. It's a seamless production but you can see sort of the shapes and textures of people sense of humour in their character like it feels like allie wrote a lot of alleys lines right yeah we we. We kind of i mean we we all wrote everything but but we kind of and i don't think this was ever like said but we kind of were in charge of our characters. I think and just by nature you know you you if you're going to be playing because we knew we were going to be playing the character so we wanted the the voice of that character actor to to be as natural as possible but i mean that's not saying we didn't write for each other because we certainly did but i think the final say was always with our characters. I feel like the the sort of really deeply subtle self deprecating stuff. That marcus says like there's this there's this one posts sex the conversation or whatever about using condoms right uh-huh and your markets is like describing how yeah how he learned how to put condoms on because some lady came to the auditorium and it was like two teenagers dog because like guys you know whatever <hes> it's like out they put on a banana and then just like did you have to price at home with bananas like at home and didn't need a banana but the way you say it. You know that that whole scene was improvised really so that wasn't written. That scene was two lines in the script. It was it was do you wanna get something to eat yeah and then we cut to the that's all it was but we i played for hours in that scene because still down to that distilled it down to that but there was so much more and it's like i don't break a lot and i kind of pride myself on not breaking because i just i don't know i feel like i feel bad when i break but that scene in particular along with a few others i was just breaking on yeah. I can see i could see even when you're saying that that like actually allie was about to break and it just like it's just the perfect moment of awkwardness with the onset is as funny as what is actually <hes> obviously alleys rant you know when she's just like okay. I i mean you know classic act. I gotta say i mean everybody knows re allies standup from special just brilliant but in this she's he's such a good actress. Yes i not that i doubt it but i mean. She really shows well she. Was you know i mean i i. I don't maybe i shouldn't speak for alley but let's see for myself. She to me expressed a lot of like doubt about that going into the movie and i was like what are you talking about. You have more experience as an actor dr then most people who are actors you know i mean she's worked a lot and she's really great and <hes> and and she does a lot of the kind of dramatic heavy lifting in this movie and she i mean she's remarkable credible. You root for her like you have like. She's really emotionally the accessible yeah yeah you love her in. It's like you're. You're right along for the ride right from the beginning. I will say that the the the real arc of the movie is marcus's casses right the growth arc and i think that you guys definitely validated championed. Even you know the fact that you guys can be romantic leads. It's like a a you know incredibly appealing incredibly attractive <hes> in an uncomfortable fashion in fact. I just think my head now <hes> <hes> but you know there. There's a sense in which <hes> until america see something in the movies. They don't believe it like on t._v. They don't believe it and and to see to asian americans not perfect. You know godlike a you know a donaldson aphrodite. He like a asian-americans asian-americans other. You know movie scenes like my life like nine for some of us that might be sorry guys you know but you know also of a certain age of a certain context and within asia america instead of having to kind of go away from asia america to find an american some in west like there's something really honest about that and truthful and again. You don't see the story on screen. You don't believe it's going to it can happen or does happen but it has happened in your life alley's life. I mean you guys found in met. You know your your partner in ways that i met in a lot of the beats that are in here yeah. I mean i don't know i i. I never thought of like that like in terms of like how we think you you tweeted something about a uh about sex symbols use the word sex symbols and i was reading that i felt like a little yeah the <hes> but <hes> but yeah i i don't know i never really thought of that but i in my life i am the the romantic manically you know in my life <hes> and <hes> and but i am also the side character sometimes and i'm also the character actor and kind of everything and i think i felt like in the real world or at least in the in the industry i was never getting cast as that and <hes> but that was a side of me and and i i think it's it just goes to show. Sometimes you have to ride it. You know you have to ride it. If you want to do it and there were there were times when i'm looking up at the screen and thinking m._v._p. Self-conscious seeing myself like making out with somebody and it's weird but <hes> <hes> but that happened in real life twice more than what you know what i mean so it's like i i just kind of freeing to to to actually get to present that side of myself to the world. I'm sure people asked you this already and if not an apologies but was it was weird like that. It was allie. I mean just because you guys have been friends for so long and like you know i mean a little that old but also we were like we were ready to make this movie and size are ready to make out to make this movie and to make it as good as possible support and to be good actors you know and <hes> so so i think just the fact that all of us and i think it helped to be in vancouver over. We were just like focus yeah yeah on on making it the performances as real as we can be yeah. I guess it's time for a round to play the game so random yeah. Thanks let me go first the bad the bad the bad thing and this is <hes> it happens in every movie but this is the first time where i been on this side of it and <hes> so i really kind of experienced the loss of of of having to cut out certain scenes and scenes that you love you know seems that we all love and <hes> <hes> there were many that were cut out great scenes ingrate like performances and <hes> <hes> can you spoiler spoiler alert where there is a a scene a break-up seen with vivian and i <hes> <hes> yeah and the great <hes> i see like i think if the talk about too much might be late for you. Don't wanna talk look like there was so much great stuff me. I am a little bit more machiavelli and when it comes to cut cut stuff like you know coming from it from a writer producer angle okay. We don't have to shoot this anymore. Great okay. We don't have that put this okay great stuff got cut because of performance because it was all because of you know renting time and and do we really really need that or does that beat kind of exist elsewhere you know and if it exists elsewhere than we don't need it type of thing and then you have to kind of sacrifice these darlings you know love love and there was a bunch of that and hopefully those scenes will see the light of day yeah well. It's a testament. I think to the stuff that made the cut yeah total you know because like when you're cutting stuff that you really like oh my god. I'm losing a limb here. That means that the rest of the body is like doing well good. You know that that's that's a hope totally really yeah yeah so you just you know you amputate as much as possible and see what's still survives yeah. My motto is like the sooner you amputate the sooner the true healing can begin really. That's it all the time and t._v. Like great. We got a great ruthless. Ruthless all right right. Michael did a bad bad well. Let me think i think that we're talking about a little bit earlier. Worth like you know asian american people fall in love all the time and they get married all the time and this is happening all the time but like for most of americans. It's invisible because we don't see it. You know what i mean. So i think part of this movie movie i mean that's the bad part right and i think bringing it back to the good. Is that like when you see it in this movie. It's it's almost like in even though you've lived it right like he had romantic partners like you know you go you bring a date to the movie and you're living at right now. <hes> it's almost a little shocking to see it on screen you you know what i mean like equated to almost like you know like a puppy seeing him or herself in the mirror for the first time of the fuck another dog in that mirror. Oh my god there's another dog there. It gets shocking at first and then you realize oh that's you right so it's that feeling of invalid and that feeling that oh my god somebody sees me <hes> somebody thought okay. This person who is me is important enough off to put on a movie screen. Somebody thinks that my life is a it has merit. You know what i mean and i think that when you've been living being for so long without seeing that and then you suddenly see it. There's a bit of magic there <hes> that's true. Thank you for making us all that puppy. I love. I love puppies like whenever i can be like you know but <hes> yeah. I think that there's this kind of emotional like kind of like that feeling that you get and it's hard describe at first but then you know you lock into it and you're like oh. It's that oh right. I forgot i matter i have forgotten about that and i totally i mean like just from the opening beats of the move. Just like the i like just the first shot you see the i like the music the souls of mischief saw and you're like. I don't know i've overseeing it. I just i started grinning from ear. Just from the the recognition you you grew up in the bay area randall c. you at a giant jersey by the way i was like fuck yeah. No i mean there's just the recognition recognition that may be just you know on top of just like you know the funny soften just all the you know the just the craft and everything else but like just seeing being able to feel it you know in this genre that i know so well and in a lot of ways. This movie feels very familiar. You know in that like oh. I feel like i've seen thing this before but i haven't not quite this way right and that's what makes it really kind of revolutionary yeah yeah subconsciously we've seen before but it was other people yeah right. It was never us and i think like i think that's the powerful thing and i think that all americans you know like wherever they come from. They need to to see their reflection on that screen you know because they need to know that they matter <hes> wow well now. I mean we get to the final round out of that and i mean you guys have been so eloquent and even profound really i too. I think i'm very high right now. I'm on drugs right now. Just getting i'm not i'm just a ton of dyke all diet drugs baby right all right so we'll go back around starting with you. Mike shoora ah w t f what what are the questions. You still have after making this movie. What are the things that puzzle. You're even in the process well. Let's see the big questions are like how will people react act in like what will it do and like what because honestly like. We won't know the full effect until many years from now when we're looking back at it and my hope is that we'll make more of these things and like you know like randy and i like we have a plan to like. You know continue that process us you know there are others out there. Of course you know like our friends and like people that we look up to and that we admire that are also out there like you know like making making these stories and for us as a community. It feels like an amoeba like everyone's pushing in different directions in their own ways in the whole thing is is getting bigger so that's. I don't know if that's a like i'm looking to the future going like you know what the fuck is going to happen like in kind of like an optimistic way. I hope <hes> but yeah. I feel really good about what the fuck is going to happen. <hes> you know i can't wait to see what the fuck is gonna happen. I mean is there. Is there anything any reaction any question that somebody's come up to you with <hes> <hes> out of screening that made you kind of take a moment and think like this could be either different for you. Imagine bigger well. I mean i think for myself like myself like seeing it and like myself being the puppy for a moment you know i mean 'cause like look. I've known mandy known this man for a long time for more than half my life life and i remember me randy. That's how you know all my old friends. All my old friends that was what i went by yeah yeah and then when i became <hes> or or really when i in well into my adulthood as especially you be becoming an actor okay. My name is will be randall and that's what i'll put on my head shots and then that just kind of stuck and everyone started calling me randall but all my old friends call me randy. I thought that you have to actually choose three names. If you're gonna be holiday well it was a thing of like seeing your old friend. We've known known for a long time like on that marquee. You know i mean like we've been working together for a long time like we've professionally like we've done our work. We're all professionals nationals but <hes> it didn't hit me until this moment of like oh my god that's randy up there. Oh my god that's alley up there next to him. Oh my god vivians in this move to. I mean like it's that feeling of like <hes> you know like if you if i went back in time back to my old in college self and i was like hey put the wrong down for a second. Let me blow your mind right now. Check this out. My old college itself would be like what the fuck walk is going on so. I think that that's a perfect answer for the what the fuck part. I would agree with you. Accept them. Your old self say we'll wait. Let's not south there. Are you with this all right after finish that project you know what you're next is going to be yeah but then it'd be like get the fuck out. Get the fuck out here. Just they want broach this like all right so you've been engaged kind of in stealth like writing only the the the adaptation and untroubled adaptation of a japanese animated opus in all history of film. It's been this you know in in production forever right and they finally got it right. Got it right by getting you and this guy takeaway t._t. Some guy named takeaway t i just met him. I was like the the like pronounce his name yes. I wrote take a cure with takeaway not and even seeing it just feels like fuck you you actually did it started working with them like ten months ago and so it was completely stealth and you know it was like tak- okay is amazing <hes> he's he's just a brilliant and generous person like he says things on the regular that like blow my mind <hes> and like okay let me describe how just a quick anecdote of what it's like to work with them so i was at our production office <hes> last week at werner's in like you know like he was fake aac yelling at the staff saying like others paper shredders needs to be moved to feet to the right immediately immediately like somebody did it and like everyone's laughing and you know so we're heading out to our cars and get into my car drive off in like he yells. You crazy rich asian at me as i drive away. I think it's over right. I get on the one thirty four. I move over a bunch of lanes to get over on the one. Oh one i hear honking right. I hear this honking and i look back in its him. He's his assistant is driving. He's leaning out of the car making faces at me like doing that like i see you like hand gesture and then peel off and i'm like emma laughing my ass off and i'm slapping the steering wheel and i'm like oh my god what is going on right now but that's what it's like working with this guy. He's just like always like fun and like always like he's got such a big heart and like <unk>. I think people have been like mike. Are we going to be okay like talking about a cure. Mike is everything going to be worried and i'm like look man. I can't talk too much chaban it but <hes> i feel really good about it in like if i feel good about it then you know i think maybe you guys should feel good about it but like we'll see we'll seattle. Seattle turns out your somebody who's a pretty harsh critic so i sell flagellate with my own incredible credible like anxiety and like you know but like that's like look like making a movie as hard and getting getting it right is hard but <hes> <hes> you know. I'm a huge fan of takes work. <hes> like <hes> you know. I love all this stuff and like if there's anybody to take this on and do it justice it's him i can tell you right now that i mean when that hits that is going to be you know the the the fourth wave or something right where it's not just us being able to create create in our own blockbusters or indie stuff our own indie stuff that will be blockbusters like always maybe <hes> but actually being able to make a temple movie with asian american asian pacific creators and then an asian cast and from what i've seen and heard it's it's something that is again kind of uncompromising in the sense that it isn't trying to push things into the realm of exotic or you know to to <hes> to make the story of remote. It's trying to do own thing and also keep honest if you will yeah i i mean like if everything works out right <hes> it'll feel it feels very quintessentially. Japanese american born in japan made in america. You you know shot here in <hes> california. <hes> and i feel like that that feels very asian american you know because it's not one world or the other other. It's both you know <hes> and that's like you know. I've been doing a lot of press. Maybe people being like what's your dream project. I'm like i wrote it already. You know so. I got to find a new dream. Now you know <hes> and you know always. Maybe it was a dream project. Akira was a dream project so like i don't know i'm the luckiest easiest boy in town awesome. I don't know how this happened to me. I mean like some people are. I guess i'm just really really lucky but i don't know i'm waiting for the other shoe to drop blake lake. You know who knows what the fuck i'll tell you a cure as a project is something that i had in. My mind is dead and buried. I was like there's there's no way they can get this right anymore. Like it had been through so much hell that i was like a just all the way over the years and then start start the stops and this is this goes to the shelves like forget it. I'm not even and you brought this u._s. Brothers back from the dead and all of a sudden. This is going to be the shit like i. I can't believe it. You know this is kind of like a weird amazing reversal into a dream come true. I mean hopefully you know with all you know. Stringers cross and everything yeah well. Let's keep knocking on but you know it really feels like <hes> like a huge profits to warner brothers for really like keeping us alive and like you know oh for like giving it to take to to like you know being like okay. This is what we should do and you know. It's a really good call <hes> but yeah. I mean like let's just let's. Let's keep hope alive. <hes> you know. Let's see what happens but i feel about it voice. We're all living the dream. We've all right. Let's take it home. Randy par gosh is the what the what is the what the fuck still if there is one he he took mine <hes> well. I'd say the one thing that's a little bit of a wti c._f. For me is that's been in the it's been in the press doing the precedent where we've been starting to do a lot of press for the movie and it's been great and the response it's too it has been great and <hes> and it's really actually been joy the the one thing that i don't hate it. I don't love it it. Just yes comes up a lot. Is the you know. The question of diversity and representation just keeps coming up and again again. It's great. I think but what do you expect me to say. I'm gonna say it's great. I really feel like that's it's a question you should ask like you know the the stars of the white move. You know what i mean like. Ask them about it. <hes> you know ask them how they feel about diversity the lack of diversity and you know like you don't need to ask us anymore. I think at this point because yeah yeah it's great we love of it. You know we'll see <hes> but at the same time i understand it and i do. I do understand understand that yeah it. It's good for for the discussion. It'd be alive and to be out there so yeah. It's just one of those things one of those things but i do feel like the answer to those questions will get real interesting when you start asking them and start asking us. I actually feel like i mean part of the answer. Is that shut you know. We have now seen multiple movies that have been you know really uncompromising in terms of how they chose to cast asked and chose to craft certain storylines chose to be you know purposely inclusive and even acknowledged the places where they failed to be right you know coming out of asia america and these are movies that have been successful and that have kind of leveled up in each in each iteration right. <hes> you know from craigslist asians searching you know <hes> <hes> to now always my maybe different things are happening. Different looks at that different sides were community. We're living that. We are living that dream right where we're living in reality and we're and we're pushing. We're still pushing. You know there's a lot more stories to tell like mike mentioned we're starting a a you know our production thing and and we just want and and a lot of people are are out there doing that and generating more stories and it's like we're in. We're in the midst of it. You know we're we're still in the trenches so so <hes> so i don't know it's it's just a weird question to kind of. Keep getting thrown at you. While you're in the consider yourself in the trenches and you're like well yeah we're were. We're answering that right now. <hes> i will say the other thing. Is you know like this movie's intersectional. There's like you know clear <hes> a multi-racial multi-ethnic couples. You know there's all this shit going on that is next level not just first level of like hey put us on screen cream. Now we're like hey. Let's see what our life actually look like which are more complicated than just whatever check a box right yeah yeah. The world is complicated raided but i think part of it. Is you know hollywood and storytelling. They have to catch up to where the world is. You know <hes> yeah. I think people should hopefully watch us movie very carefully because netflix allows you to pause rewind checking everything <hes> look all the detail in this movie like really deep detail cleaning a lot in there that if you're paying very close attention shows how often you guys have been and what what in some ways pointless set of brushes views to bring this the set of portraits to life that's also. That's a nice <hes> i. I was thinking when you said the details. The paintings is in in in in judy's home are paintings that my mom made i took i went to back back home took photos of all my mom's paintings. Send it to them. They recreated them and end judy. My characters mom and the in the movies a painter just like my mom and <hes> yeah so like things like that like that. Means something to me may not mean anything anyone else but there's a lot of detail that again that and that's next level that reminds me this. One thing that i miss about films that are exclusively on netflix is the lack of a director's commentary our terry <hes> and i i feel like this is one where this is where i'd be like i will miss it if you you know if somewhere then line where that is opportunity for that matter into it i i i hope natch. I well all four of you. Guys honestly should be on a track riff and i can tell already how brilliant that would be fine. Here's something that i'd like to. I want to put it out there. In the universe i would like to do a screen. The movie live for an audience and have you guys all mics and do a live tour of you call when you put things we ever apparently they kind of work to make that happen but as it is i mean it's such a pleasure having you guys in here with us. Thanks panicky. It's gonna blow up man. I promise you this is the move. This is a movie that i've been waiting for airlines and before. I even knew i was waiting for honestly yeah. That's so nice to hear so now we're all just waiting for or <hes> maybe to <hes> whatever happens in the oh and so you mentioned you know production company and stuff are are there any other things you can even take <unk> talk shape of product wise you know other than fresh all votes season six coming up above we're coming back <hes> still it's still in the marvel and dc universes so those may those university <hes> and <hes> yeah that's about it. I mean there's a lot of other things like brewing doing but she you know you never know what'll happen in this town so so we'll see yeah very very very very very excited. Oh and mike i wanna also also wanted to shout out <hes> so yeah. It's great hello universe speaking of the next it's war so hell universities a <hes> newbery medal winning book by aaron and trot kelly <hes>. It's <hes> it's a great book. I'm adapting. I'm adapting it for net flicks <hes> for into a feature feature <hes> errands wonderful stories wonderful. There's a filipino american. Kid is a japanese american kid. There's a girl that's deaf. You know so getting into the peo- visa. Those characters is going to be really great. You know for the audience but it's just a wonderful. It's funny you know and it's sweet and now let's see it's going to be a really fun piece of work to adapt damn. We just dropped that one in the in the tail end so so they remembered it all right but we've gone on but we want to thank you randall park and michael glencoe man aradio. How can people reach online on social media yeah. I was dead for so long the past two months. I said you know what i'm gonna. Try out instagram and i've been having a lot of fun with it. Love your wife jay at the party and i was like i've complimented her on her instagram. We started kind of she kind of inspired. That was like oh. You know you're you're. You're posting really great. She's like by the way like randles interim stories. You can thank me for that yeah. She pretty much taught me how to do everything on instagram and <hes> <hes> it's it's randall park. That's my handle randall park. Yeah yeah not on twitter. Though now i left that that was a lifetime ago as you should have us nor facebook michael. Where can people find. Do you want the same instagram. You know expect. A lotta pictures of puppies like food folks in strange places right yeah. Now you know the the usual stuff <hes> yeah so it is <hes> michael golomb graham in twitter. Oh yeah but you know it's only like twitter a really use that much just on a blue moon just to you know yeah just to talk about game of thrones or hey that dole. Let's not get started on that. People find you online original spin <hes> holding out on twitter. It's a place where i can be angry on purpose and and you know one of these days. Maybe i'll get more into instagram i here. It's what the cool kids are doing. These all right and you fill where two people find you <hes> you can find me at angry asian man in on angry asia dot com. You'll also find they cost bruce on twitter instagram. I'm told and facebook. Please join us there and engage <hes> if you could find us is on apple podcasts and give us a rating review. That'd be really helpful. Helps people find the show <hes>. We want to thank everybody for listening. Thank you randall michael. Thank you nick on the boards boards awesome all right that does it for this episode. They cost bruce. You've been listening to they. Call us bruce with jeff yang and phil you our theme. Music is by cure one. Our producer is nick song. They call us spruce as a member of the potluck podcast collective featuring unique voices and stories from the asian american community find out more at podcast potluck dot com and thanks for listening.

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Thirst Aid Kit: Randall Park: He Has the Range

Slate's Culture Gabfest

50:10 min | 1 year ago

Thirst Aid Kit: Randall Park: He Has the Range

"Randall pushed himself the grunts. The whit next to me directly onto my you making a mess I said you don't mind replied I hello this. What's so much private our you today I can tell? I'm using my sexy voice. It's a little phoebe shoes. That's me okay this I'm GonNa go do a Gig at central puck in a second. Can't yeah I'll be there. Thank you so much you and nobody else so just repair of easy. Just focus all of this on you. How are you? I'm good. I'm good good. Yeah I Wow the year's almost over listen it's GONNA end. Sometimes I'll tell you that. Yeah we are smack DAB in the middle of the holiday a season the relentless march of time. Yeah has no care for your own feelings. It's just marching on and it all doesn't stop until you're dead there you go on that show. He knows we're bringing you thus steak kit. Oh my gosh yeah So today day alongside as breaking down desire we are going to break down Randall Park. Listen he's such a cutie. He is the cutest he he. He makes me smile a really kind of teenage girl. Kind of like a precious and we talked about him a little bit in our I episode here at slate remember back in time I know so. Many moons ago because always be my maybe was such like the film of Two Thousand Nine Hundred Ninety. Yeah it was like this quietly but also successfully charming room call the like of which we have been missing for many many years so it's return was greeted with huge fanfare and of course everyone was excited when the trailer drops and there appeared among us. God honorees Using but here's the thing Low Key on the lowest of keys And I don't say this lightly because I love Kiana until death do us part But watching that I was like you know what Asha I would have chosen. Rundle puck to saying well. Let me take that. Yeah exactly Oh keep a close second. I am not surprised that she chose again randall. Park held his own listen he more than held his yes. He replaces it on his head. Yeah he because Randall. Park is in Fox. A classic haughty. He's got just like the kindest is the sweetest you to smile. And also we talk about how he is lucky. Jacks like underneath his clothes. Goddamn minute yes okay all right okay okay. I just want to put that out there all of that to come. Yes yes because you know. I love a sneaky. Sneaky bay very norm core kind. I guess what we call just a very average facade and then you get him home and you're like Oh shit it's just interesting to see. Yeah you know what clothes conceal. And he's he's a he's carrying a concealed weapon. Sorry I'm so sorry what. It's thrilling seeing that when regular daily just GonNa hold you hold on. I'm not so regular thank you. There's a lot of people don't realize that Randall Park has been out here for our good minute. Like he's been out here over fifteen eighteen years. He's been doing his thing. You know what you know that thing about overnight success means that most people have become a little little bit attracted to the idea of you wake up and someone discovers you or you wake up. And you stumble into stardom or whatever. And he's is the direct opposite of that. He has been working a full pretty much. As long as I have. Years of work to our ages has been working working consistently since two thousand three two thousand and three right. Consider that but like he has been working so hard and in small small tiny rolls. I blink and you miss it rolls right and so two bill and it's interesting basically to see somebody who has built a career like you you remember looking at them and kind of wait. Didn't I see you in that little right. I'm like yeah you did fine yes. I'm thinking like new girl when we were talking about Jay Johnson Johnson recently. And I went back and I'm looking at these episodes and I realized in one of the earliest seasons Randall Park was a character on the show very briefly very brief. When Nick Miller was trying to go and get a phone and his credit score was so low that the customer service guy called everybody out to laughing him? Yeah that customer service guy was. Randall Park listen. It's like it's like six degrees of separation and it's like yeah there is once again. This Rondo pock. He's he's he's done every unlike big big comes you've mentioned new girl I think for me his most memorable Paul of course came in the office. Yes when he played Asian Jim. Yes it sounds racist. I swear it's no but he basically pretends to be Jim who's regularly played by John Krasinski as a as a Halloween prank or something like that. Something against Dwight I don't know if it's necessarily Halloween one of those things something to fuck with Dwight Smith. He comes in and he goes. Oh Hey July and is like unit Jim who are you who am I. I'm Jim we've been working together for twelve years. We're joked white. You're not hi Jim. Jim's not Asian seriously never noticed. Hey hats off to you for not seeing race. And then what that's palm. And then he goes over to palm. He kisses on the desk as a photo of him and Pam. Like they're everything that Dwight would use the catch him out. It's just like it's been so meticulously planned and the whole time Randall. Park has the most pleasant smile on his face. He's just like I'm Jim. What's what's the I love? And so it's such a small perfectly executed joke like if I was going to do a prank. Sadly it's been undone novel. That's exactly what I would want to do. Just like really fuck with no one better than who is truly the worst person absolute worst but I love it. I Love was like we're very playful suggestion. There are people who say stuff like I didn't see color. Yes I love it so much. And he's like no what you mean. I've always been Jim. Well it open about remember that time we we did love La Jam and I love it so much. and that's the power Randall Park. He's low key but he is memorable even in the small thing like you see him and you think who's that guy he's funny. What is comedy is really his wheelhouse like yeah? He's a funny guy who does funny thing. He was on Reno nine one one you imagine ago he was in that that is such a cult classic. Now I mean go back and look for him in in in that also Matt. TV again colts. Yes but he plays these roles in stuff that when its first on air. You're like okay. What is this? I'm watching around the next thing you know is your favorite thing and he has. He has his thumbprint on. All of them this is he has such exquisite taste. Go through his filmography. You go to his wicked pedia. He's I D and You're like wait. How has this guy been in most of the good things on TV ass? That's a skill. It really is because I promise you you go look at some of your favorites and see some of the absolute fucking stinkers you've been in. Meanwhile Mister Borges going to like knock it out of the pocket resigned Babes. It's like wait. What's that it's true? So you mentioned in Reno nine eleven. You've mentioned mad TV He was on community right at a tiny log on community as well MHM. He was in the Mindy Project. Yeah isn't that something. It's amazing and I think You know when people are like he's out here hustling so many people you have to hustle. You WanNa take on all this work. But the fact that he's taking on good work to to build his resume to build his filmography. I think is so important and again like you said he has such good taste. Discerning I yes discerning That is spot-on while he was in the thick of that of just kind of getting these bit pause and small orbits here and there and you know now we can praise his designing I if he would just hungry yeah And he kind of talked a little bit about that in an interview that he did with Alex John who of course is a friend of the PODCAST. You may remember him from the quenching And they drove around. La where Randall is for all and they kind of did like a kind of like a an a very expensive look at his career I'm Alex was asking him about his early career and he said this really interesting thing. He called it struggle mood food. And I think it's interesting because you really see actors Sandro. Did something similar. When older success for killing each came about and she was talking again with Alex who is quite the expert interviewer? Yeah he socred profiles army's this so perfect and struggle mode that he's talking about he's you know he says you know when I first started acting I was genuinely okay with the idea of struggling for the rest of my life You kind of have to in order to do what you love. And that is a very bold and I'm so angry and sad that it's true. It's a thing that you sometimes have to just consider like well if I'm going to keep doing this thing that I love so much bearing that exist in this world and how I'm situated various sections of those identities. I'm probably going to struggle forever right so sobering. Yeah and it's not. I appreciate it because you know sometimes people are like well you got a you know. Build your own door and go through it and I. It's not that easy you know. It's a lot of hard work a lot of time to do all of that and you know it can be discouraging and dispiriting so the fact that he was just like no. This is what I love and if that means I'm going to keep struggling. I think that's what I'm GONNA do. And hopefully he's now at a point where he's no longer struggling right. I'm sure it depends because sometimes when you get you get to this level of success people only want to see you in a certain type of role in those are the only like scripts that you're getting right so I'm interested to see where he goes exactly and he. You talked a lot about that so he came up he went to Ucla And while he was there he set up an Asian American theatre group and did a master's degree in Asian Asian American studies the festival. He's smart and I love that. Yeah personally that's my catnip. I'm like wait you you'll read books That's amazing. I love the bar so low bunk Rondos case he was actually someone who is a bit of a you know a kind of a community leader which is one kind of described him and like the way she looks at him in Awe. Aw you might be doing a little bit parts but so somebody yeah somebody starving. That's all I will and Allie was like he was like a god-like he was. How did she say something like you you know? He founded this group that alley one. Join the el-sisi Group Because around which is you know? The he set up she thought he was just like this incredible abol performer. This great comedian and then it turns out of course that later all those years later they get to work together on always you may be. Yeah I love. I love those stores. We met with the students and now Hollywood giants killing it. I love that Shit but yes so he. He really wasn't a struggle struggle mode and then he spoke a lot about the roles that were being offered to him so you mentioned this already where he was. You know the kinds of roles that you get offered at the beginning stage where is stereotype hysteria. Time And he was kind of feeling you know away. He said that he went to A couple of accidents classes like a workshop type thing and he is one of the exercises. Were still like free associate words and he remembers one occasion. Where for one of the students who was like a white guy you know? He said he was a handsome guy with long hair and and people were saying stuff like renegade cop cowboy and he remembers when it goes to his turn. They said things like nod tech guy. Child Molester Oh my Yeah he he. He doesn't joke about this. He says it was traumatic for me. It was really traumatic. He was like I knew they were stereotypes. But like I just wasn't used to it because it wasn't something that he had been played in his own group that he built a world. You know you said all of a sudden we'll build your own blah blah randall. Park built his own then he went out into the world the world today. That's cute. Yeah Fuck you a full stop. Oh man exactly I mean You know you know these things happen. And you know it's just again just kinda disheartening. When someone that I don't know you really like uh-huh awful you something you imagine yourself so much more intimate like Oh my God I can imagine what that would be? Let me you know. And that's a really tough things. All this to say that Randall Park has been steadily grinding. But it hasn't been without its setbacks and you know he talks about his regrets in this amazing profile that Alex him where he's GonNa like. Yeah I did take a couple of roles. That absent regretful of that was a Sitcom pilot. He did it was called. Lucky us. This was again way back in two thousand and four and he played like like The evil neighbor which feels like it might have been breaking out of specific serotypes accepts. It really wasn't is described as sort of like a gay Mr Union she she caricature who was called Jimmy and so he remembers Mickey Union. She is the guy from breakfast at Tiffany's played by Mickey Rooney. That really horrible races exactly so it was a similar ish accessible and he was saying at the time he kind of justified in his mind but like well maybe I can humanize him the sun and the other. But he's like no now. I look back and I fully regretted so a lot of you are in fact dealing with some of the some of the stuff that they have done like nobody is ideologically pure. You're to the point where you're kind of like hey I'm going to only play heads of states or whatever the fuck else like right we've all done dodgy work I'm just GONNA say straight up but I like the he kind of mentioned all these things and just put it forward as a sort of. Hey listen. We're all struggling trying to get somewhere. And in his case thankfully all all that work paid off faith simple effective products that people used in the bathroom every we day they create products trusted ingredients entrusted performance making the switch to an aluminum. 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Great and yes and it it pushes back against stereotypes against Asian people. Asian American football. It is about the young woman who Young Asian woman who She is very free with her attentions. Shout outs and she realizes one day that she is pregnant and she has to figure out who the father is and Randall Park plays a guy that she calls Mr Nice put boring so what she does. She takes pictures of all the people that she's been with and she gives them a little nickname which is something that I do. I don't take the pictures but like no. They have coatings when you're talking film car that's like mudder will yes. So she makes these little postcards and She puts their at nicknames on on the cards and on the back she puts all their information like their real name if she knows did and and their length and girth and stuff so mister nice but boring again rental parks character is one one of the people that could be the father of her child and so Okay I'm going to play a clip. That will explain and then we'll come back but in this clip This is a flashback to their first date and He doesn't think it's going well so he's like okay. Well I guess I'll see you later there in the car together. And he's like I guess I'll I'll see you later. He's dropping her off and she tries to tell him. Oh No we don't have to go anywhere right now. So let's let's hear that clip so long. It was nice meeting you. I thought we were just friends. Have you heard of. Wb you know friends benefit. Oh my God you're like a dinosaur. Yeah I love it I love it. So some of the information that she puts when On the cards She puts length and girth and his length was ten inches and his it was either five inches six inches. That's like around right And it's interesting interesting because of the of the men that could be the father there is also a white guy in the mix and he happens to have the smallest the equipment of all of the potentials who are other men of color so I thought that was very interesting for the writer. Kogi Sukhothai to throw in this directed by Quentin Lee. Two thousand nine on Amazon prime. I think you should watch it. It's a it's a really interesting film. A particularly as it deals with the expectations of Asian American people and their sexuality and things like that But yeah so like we said his his filmography is just huge so after his People have slept with debut in two thousand nine. He carried on working on both big and small screen screen right But like after his wonderful unforgettable turn as Asian Jim in the office in two thousand twelve he carried on kind of doing a lot of stuff that was building and building and building and then finally I think that was a very handy reward in the form of his own Sitcom He's the lead on Fresh off the boats which is on. ABC and is going to shot. I think next year the season yeah And it's important because it's about an Asian family Him and his wife is still by Constance Wu and they have three little boys grandma. And there's like a whole world. They work in a restaurant restaurant and all of this stuff is just delivered of course with a little bit of Hay. They're Asian but also the human beings right. I'm fresh off. The boat is is a critical darling. They've had numerous nominations for acting whereas with confidence. We'll an randall park. And obviously just in general just best comedy comedy show and that kind of thing and I think that recognition you know recognition is not the end all be all but is still very important Particularly when you know on your pay rate that pay rate up. That's how I feel about. All of them can go. He's not everything I'm like. It's a good deal especially in that industry. The the only way for us up your rates is Kinda show. The receipts and the nomination is in fact for heftiest receipts like hey look put it on the table you were saying. That's right. Add another zero. I two more zeroes et CETERA. I don't know I'm I'm delighted at the success of it. You know. It's the kind of thing that hasn't been seen in in so long. It's not the first Asian American Family Sitcom Right But you know it also came at a very specific time in terms of diversity and representation uh-huh at this point kind of like Yawny kind of terrible words and just being around right like they mean absolutely nothing at this point but it was an interesting time in Hollywood would and I think there was a mood at that point anyway to kind of at least put the story out there. I think a lot of the time the language here is. Oh America's not ready or the. The audience isn't ready wherever that audience might be. It's actually the audience is pretty open to this shit right. And when people say stuff like America's ready what they mean is old white people. They aren't ready. We are a lot of us who are not old white people who are ready and have been waiting actively chomping. Yes I mean just because you're seventy five year old MEEMAW doesn't WanNa Watch. It doesn't mean you should not have it on the air and racist grandma but good for her. She made it this far many years in her all more than likely. But in the meantime the rest of US watch what we want to war right and we WANNA watch Randall Park on everything. Everything spread him like butter flavored. Live with Brad yes. I particularly liked him as governor Danny Chung on veep. Yes so hilarious just really like dry. I don't WanNa say really dry and sharp. Yes always had a good Stinger on him always loved it. I won't it'd be that ready with like a combat and it's never quicken up what I really liked about. It also is that we're so used to seeing rental play kind of charming every day kind of like. Hey your friend next door your coworker. Whatever and Johnny Chung his me yes he is like you said he's so shot but he is kind of evolved Volvo evil with a smile yes quite once and I'm watching and I'm like oh I want to see him playland a full-on villain? I think he has like this edge. That comes when he's playing Danny Shutout to the right of the they really nailed this kind of like mid West Nice And I gave it to run around where I've got this. Yeah and he delivers like you said these singers. That person is dead in a ditch and governor Daniels like walking on smiling to himself. And he's got like a mini nemesis to Selena. And he's just like like every time he comes up against a even though you know she's the heroine of the piece. Yeah you Donna Win. Yeah like just just knock her off a little bit every the time that he would deliver one of those little one liners and people just become looking like. Did that just happen. Yes you you were killed right there while you were standing. I'm afraid you've been the victim of a mud jousts so good and he was also very silly as Danny Chung and we've got a little clip of him damn at one of the campaign rallies. All right thank you. You know this. This administration has faced many challenges. But until now nobody's thrown down beat box challenge the Minnesota and that was like a teaser. What we initially initially got in always be my may when he was his rap star? Exactly we'll get to that in a minute but I just also want to talk about this. You know we've been building this idea. Rondo kind of you know uh-huh stepping into his own and building name slowly but surely and I think there is no better manifestation of this land. The fact that Randall Park has been in both marvel. Oh and DC comics universes. Yes he said. I'm GonNa take all your superhero coins. I WANNA take every last one and I appreciate that because he is of course in. DC's at Komen But he's also in at night on the walls but the sequel And I'm sure he wasn't paid anything less than five dollars per minute of anthrax alike he is doing a okay and I really love his character on line he plays An FBI agent. Jimmy Woo so I just want to point out both those names. He's not called. You Know Steven Jones Right. They have made his characters specifically Asian. Okay they have given him names the economic Yeah that's an Asian man and I'm grateful for that because there was a time when the only way you can have an Asian person in your movie will give them the Whitest name although neutralize the Asian I guess but no he's Stephen Chen and he's Jimmy. Woo and I really love him. In at Man on the walls because he plays plays opposite Scott Lang who's played by Paul Rudd. I'm Paul of course is hilarious and Randall is of course yes and they have this amazing kind of chemistry mystery and that they play and I really love this because it's kind of like fill to the brim with them. I'm always hateful. Got Away with it this time Scott but I'll be seeing you again. Where where will you be seeing again? Like in general the next time you do something bad all be there. Oh catch you. You'll be watching them so yeah we're inviting me somewhere. Why would I do that? What I was wondering? Why would you do that like a party or dinner? I don't know I thought you were a neck land with the evening I met so like arrest the restaurant you later again. Did you WANNA grab dinner. I mean some free. Come on if you watch the seat. He's kind of like so like shy. Like I do WanNa have and the whole time. I'm kind of Scots looking at him. Like I I read. It's it's very. It predates a pull rods bill on hot ones where he goes at us. Yes but it feels very look at us. Yeah I love that chemistry and I'm so eager to see him. I'm speaking of Superhero Coyne. He's also going to be in the Disney plus series one division. Yes slaying inhumane Again so he's going to keep making about money. Hi this is Maiko host the aid kit. If you've ever wanted to start your own podcast you might think you need all kinds of equipment to set it up. 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Sasha is in the audience and she's watching him and there's like just this little bit where you don't know how she's he's GonNa Respond. You don't know she's GonNa hate it she's going to you know just love it and she ends up loving it and I. I love that because so often what happens in these movies vs is you know this character is You know displaying their passion their creative passion and it's not great and people have to suffer through it. The person that loves have to suffer through it but the fact that he is good so Sasha is able to like fully cheer him on. I love this unless it gives us permission. Listen to also be like. Oh no he's good. Thank God yes and that was like a real relief. You're right but yes marcus is like you said not living up to his full potential which let's let's be real. That's a bunch of us so special marcus but like it's interesting to kind of see again because the great thing about always be my. Maybe these are not twenty two year olds old right yes it sometimes takes a little bit longer to self actualize. Whatever the fuck language for using and I appreciated she added that both? Like grown-ups I'm still figuring it out and I was so grateful for that so even before I watched I was. They've cost Randall. pug As the lead in a room. I'm calm yes yes enough of this fucking twenty. Seven Year olds no shave twenty seven year old. We love you all but like I haven't me twenty seven and a while right you know thirty. Plus people fall in I love to do. It was nice to have these thirty. Plus people be thirty plus onscreen and falling in love. That really warmed me Eh always be. My baby is actually a stupendous Rome. Calm which again so much fanfare around the Netflix from com renaissance. And I was like Ooh and then they were kind of like letdowns but always you may be from the day the trailer droves and everybody went absolutely bananas on the in House are all in. Don't disappoint me and then we went to see and then we saw it again multiple times on that flex at home and it's actually a really lovely story of these childhood sweethearts who kind of fall fall apart after a terrible event You know and then they drift apart and then they come back together because one of them sasho moves back and discovers markets kind of living we exact same living before she left me while she's going to become like this world while culinary star Super Chef. She's doing all the bitch superstar boyfriend who inspired by Daniel Day came so I can see. This is the movie that much. And it's just kind of like this reconnection. That's what the whole movies about is about them finding each other and trying to make room in each other's lives for one another again and one of my favorite scenes ecause fairly early on when Sasha comes is back and she goes to a daytime meals not quite launch. Whatever they they go out and they go to an restaurant they used to go to when they were kids? And it's it's just really lovely soft touching but also very funny. Yes I'm GonNa die all alone in a big house all by myself. Complete utter and deafening silence. I can feel it marcus here. They're they're they're at this. All you got more. I had more at the beginning of your speech and then I forgot it by the end too so long. Oh Hey thank you campuses places still in business. What are we even doing hair so terrible? Are you insane. I eat eight here twice a week. Here just try this. Oh Yeah I remember. This place is so bad. Because that's how you remember your entire childhood. You painted the whole thing with the ship rush but it's not true you're right. This is good space. Hasn't changed one bit either. The women are still so rude and disappointed that neither speak Cantonese. Allo they homa suits. Ah I learned better service also sometimes freak huma that same love that the way they all said hi mark he's a regular. Yes also gave us a little hint of to the fact that you know Marcus. They might have a way with the lady he could have like the camera kind of pennzoil ladies and the highmark Magas. What else are you offerings? I like what I love it so much. It's so intimate and it's so cute I love that scene. I love the whole movie but I really love that. I love the movie so much. I think I've seen it three times. Now maybe four since it came out and another thing and I mentioned this when we first talked about in in that first episode but what I especially loved about it because you know I am a hot blooded but you know a lot of times they use rom coms come out and They are very chase. People just barely kiss if they do kiss it may be at the end when they finally get together or whatever. I'm sick of it. Yes but this. This is a perfect example of how something sweet can also be hot because when markets and Sasha get together and we again we talked about this so a partner for repeating ourselves but the scene where they finally get together and he picks her up and have their against the wall. And it's like Oh yes yes. And of course there's a little fade to black at some point and then you know the morning after but I thought that that is just a perfect way that you could show that these are adults who are sexual and want to express that with each other there and still be carrying and tender and sweet again what we keep saying hot and sweet. It's possible exists us. Show it so what I also like you talk about how it fades to black show but then there are scenes of them in bed Layers so like he's gotTa talk of her of the kind of wearing awfully place sheets shutouts and we awfully place Sheen's polite you can see like you know his vice ebbs. You can see like a clavicle thing I like. It's nice to see like you said these are grownups. Let them do grown up. Things I sound is such a dog. I'm so sorry but I I missed list. That in Rome Calm I. I've it look as though you guys actually WanNa tear each other's clothes off and it's very important to see that to see people of color are being tender and sweet with each of their in these kinds of central moments. Where it's not? Just you know overlooks or like you know overt vert pounding or anything like that. You know it's just done with cash. Best Care I love that so sweet and another thing that I also really love about this movie which is not necessarily Randall. But is actually is like this is the role. This is the kind of role that he has been looking to do for so long. Yeah and it's a role in which he is. Not The one Asian person but he is one person in an ensemble of Asian and in this movie finally he really got that dream the kind of world that he was building a ucla as like a real full suckle moment. Where in this movie this him? That's along Daniel Day came Keanu Reeves. Vivian Bang everybody is like the majority of the cost is Asian. Yeah and so it's like oh it's possible guys. Yeah and you know there's no intergenerational racial beef where people are like. My parents are so traditional. And I'm trying to fight against that or whatever in fact Sasha's character is resentful of her parents errands for have she feels abandoned by them because she had to go and and connect with Marcus family in order to have more of a better home life. Or what the payers Ariza. Busy at work They were raised self right. They were doing. They were doing what they could to make sure that she had everything she needed generation. She wanted more attention. So I I love this again at very soft pushback against you know if it's an Asia story we've gotTa talk about the immigrant you know immigrant journey and all this kind of stuff was such a good Randall Park. Yes always be my. Maybe if you haven't seen it I hope you're still alive. I can't understand why you would not have so you oranges firearm net flix. Yeah Watch it. I want you done with that. Go back and find his earliest. I promise you like Nicole said. He puts his thumbprint on everything that he is in. And every time you see him I promise you your soul will do a little flip because you're like. Oh He's here going to be good. That's the runner Pug promise. Oh He's here. It's going to be good. I like thank you best believe. I'll punch Keanu reeves and it was better than any seen you could see speed. I John Wickham amount feeling so appealing. Basically God you could call me. Hercules much beyond reason. It was better than anything you could see speed. I'm telling repeal I couldn't okay Bam yes it's time. YEAH FANTASTIC WAR A. That's my song. Hey I'm so intrigued to hear. Ah what you're going to write about Randall. Park I'm intrigued to like. I love him so much like He. He's he's kind of like that at the sounds Sarong but I promise you. It's no he gives me that warm heat So it's not like hot hot heat's what is he from like. I started my belly and then it travels like it's like a Cima You know Heats you up gradually in anybody you like. Why am I saying it's random bill? That's how I feel so I wanted to write something that felt a little bit like that kind of slow burn to us. The board cost Labor. Like I wanted to have that feeling of new excitements. So that's kind of what I was. That's the position I was because I was thinking about Rondo. I'm trying to think you know we talked about. How our projecting yes and I wanted to kind of project? The feeling that Ronald gives me back into serve at random. Yes okay I'm ready. Thank you thank you very much the off the third try. I could feel my face. Heating the cashier behind behind the counter had a sympathetic glint in her eyes as she turned the screen back to her side. I promise I've used this call today. I said I held up my bag of groceries as evidence. The magnetic attic strict was just fine ten minutes ago the cashiers small kindly. We've been having trouble with the car rita this weekend she said not entirely convincingly. Do you having having cash. I was busy shaking my head. No when someone lightly slapped their hand on the counter next to me hey get hers and mine too. I could hear the smile his voice even before I caught it on his face even from the side I could see it was a wide smile. He turned his head to bestirred on me directly and I caught the flash of his teeth the corners of his eyes wrinkling attractively as the green rounded out his cheeks. I felt my face get hot for an altogether different reason. How often acute cute strangest? Turn out to be good Samaritans. Oh I call it you pay for my drink. I protested. It was happening anyway but had to offer a token protest. He turned his body more fully toward me. His hair peeks out from underneath his beanie waving as it met the nape of his neck. Oh of course you can. He replied with strangers. I said more firmly. He grinned that big again and came out of his lean on the counter to extend a hand. I'm Randall. He said and I shook his hand and told him my name. See he said we're not strangers anymore. He talks his chin as he said. It's a move that was a fifty fifty mix of confidence and diffidence. I I reached over to grab my time but stopped when I felt his hand. Cover mine hang on. He said he gestured at the cashier for something to write with and then scribbled something on the side of my cup satisfied his liver over my number he said in case. You WanNa buy me coffee. One day migrants stayed on my face as I noted in left the cafe when I look back through the window Rondo will still smiling back. I love it. It's not what you want. Yes I can see his smile. We didn't talk much about his smile. He has a really beautiful. I'm very wide smile. Yes it comes up slow yes and then it fully on folk near like wrap me in that. Oh my God I love you rental. Fog Shout out to your wife Mrs Park. Okay so Nicole. I WanNa see what you have come up with this week. was Mr Randall Park. Are I object of the week of the big smile and the gray hair and the wonderful is yes. You mentioned all of this slow burning stuff. Yes yes subscribe to slow burn on slate and Nice Real Nice. Yeah I'm just GONNA I'm just GonNa read it or Erica. I'm I'm ready. Hold on let me let me throw all right go ahead. It's Fine Yaw. I yelled out of the bedroom door. Randall will take the couch in here. Six in the morning for some skiing absolutely will not be doing. I closed the door and leaned against it. My eyes meeting Rantel's do you think they know he stage-whispered whispered. Did you tell anyone what no you know. They've been trying to set us up forever. I bet this whole one room one bit thing is idea. She loves that Shit Shit rambled turned to the fireplace and began stacking logs in an orderly. Fashion I squatted down to join him and twisted old newspaper for Kindling. Do you think think we gave anything away. I asked him quietly leaned my head against his shoulder. The fire caught quickly and the sound of the flames moving along the logs already began to soothe me. or maybe it was the forehead kiss. Randall gave me before. He gathered me more fully in his arms. Maybe it's hard for me not to look at you without every memory from the last last few weeks showing on my face I turned to kiss him for his time and the kiss lasted two beats too long he pulled back and asked. Is it so overall that I wanted to keep you to myself just a little while longer before our friends try to plan our wedding and Neymar Blazin. Kids know baby. I said I want just us for as long as we can manage to. He kissed me again. Lowering my back to the floor. Moving us a little bit away from the fire dancing. And it's home do you. You think you can keep quiet. He breathed into the soft corner of my neck. I pulled his hair until his face glowing from the flames above mine. I don't know can you. He worked a hand into my unbuttoned jeans and guest into his mouth. He smart at me. No Yo bitch shout them you absolute bitch if I see you on road. It's on sites. What super directly injected into my mother fucking veins? What's that is every single one? One of my fam- fake yes. Oh my God as Calvin skiing along via bitch I just is logged into a and this is like a TV show of my own devising. This is amazing Nicole. Thank you so much I appreciate the shoutout I feel. Wow Wow I really like fuck my nominations for my rights as fuck boy. I wrote play. WHO SAYS I've made it into do? I have made it into one of your fix as a named character a friend. I'm Bam yeah I do love that Shit you nailed it. Can I just say uh-huh characters so I mean you got it I love it. 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Natalie Portman, Beth Behrs, Whitney Cummings, Randall Park

Ellen on the Go

33:13 min | 1 year ago

Natalie Portman, Beth Behrs, Whitney Cummings, Randall Park

"The high it's it's Ellen DeGeneres welcome to my podcast. We're GONNA listen to some of the best moments from the show and it's GonNa be hosted by four executive producers that I love happy be listening on today's episode of Ellen on the go. Natalie Portman discusses not wearing a diaper and a new movie. Beth bears and Whitney Cummings Co host the show and that it was a really fun day Randall Park loves. Bt 's case you didn't know it and he's not ashamed of AG finalist and incredible violinist eleven year old Tyler Butler Figueroa comes to visit us and viral party activists the Broschat and JT or they're they're stoked for the nation and they're fired up to meet Allan. They love the constitution. I'm Ed Glavin. I'm Andy Lasts ner. I'm Mary Connolly. I've and this is sixty minutes. Welcome welcome everybody. It is Thursday October third. If you're listening to this as its release nor could be any day whatever it is happy day to you how you you andy. I'm doing good really. Yeah Yeah Day four easier than three He. I'm just yeah I'm doing good and what we're talking about is me me quitting vaping choosing nicotine gum and occasional nicotine lozenge doing well. I have I have sat next next to Andy in this room for the entire time that we've been here and he has pretty much never not had a vape pen in his hand hand awhile late last four years like once in a while. He'll put it in his pocket for a minute but pretty much all day every day. The vape pen is in fan since vape pens have been available and he has had a pen in his hand and I've been wanting to stop for a while but Kevin kept saying why why it looks so cool uh-huh so cool in fact at one particularly grumpy moment in the last three days I believe Kevin said can't he just vape again. Kevin is so supportive around you when you're trying to quit something. Dr Phil says you don't quit in a habit replace it okay so don't go gambling. Oh God yes. Let's just go to well. I'm going to do it. That's nice so yes we continue to be so proud of Andy and and withdraws like not nothing nothing like it's a big deal and I would say I appreciate that. Oh it's a lot and he's been a little grumpy couldn't love him more through. Thank you and Nicotine Nicotine Nicotine. First of all to nicotine is the most addictive one of the most addictive drugs chemicals on this plan honestly and the second thing is Andy the part that kills you isn't the nicotine it's all the carcinogens that you're inhaling vaping and I don't there's carcinogens with his absolute. grumpiest can't really hold a candle to how grumpy I can get. Were Kevin Loses his temper. That's right when he gets angry. How's how's Laurie happy is. She's happy that I quit happy that he's not home right right now to work weekends. We're all trying to share time with Andy there. You go a lot of stuff to talk anyone. Would you like to start with Let's talk about Natalie Portman. Okay delightful actress won the Academy Black Swan One. I believe that's correct yes and like we should get department. Yeah we would've podcast needed research department. I get one for the show show and then we can help us with the politics sweet smart love Rim Long Island from Long Island wish beautiful beautiful beautiful tolls and we were lucky to have her around the time that it was announced that she is going to be the new thor lady. There's a lady door which is kind of cool that is not a big marvel SORTA. Kevin you tell us I just have never heard of or is it going to be his partner. Don't know great. We'll find out that by marriage or a sister. You know maybe maybe they start out not liking each other. They don't like each other and then he shows her his hammer. Yes and then she likes. I don't think so what could be could be you know here's one of the things I liked about Natalie Portman when she was on the show. She showed she showed a `Paparazzi photo. Oh of herself eating giant eating giant Perito and she was like you know they always get all these shots on the red carpet or they take shots at me here. They Take Jake shots me. There and I don't know who that person is. I don't recognize that person but this is Mrs me. This is me just like eating eating a Burrito so that's what's on your DVR is and you can check it out and she's in this movie called Lucy in the sky loosely based. I guess yes on a female astronaut right right who you could say she gets a little obsessed with a boyfriend and she or maybe he's an ex boyfriend at this point and she gets in her car. Yup and she drives. I believe from Houston Houston. I this is what I'm going to guarantee you. This is half right and she drives across the country to Florida to see him and made it kidnap him to confront him. I'm sure while she was on her way. She just wanted to see him and then when she got there she thought it would be a good idea to put them in the trunk. and she decides that she needs to get there urgently. She can't really afford to pull over and stop between Houston and Florida so what she does is. She puts a diaper on so as things happen while she's driving. She doesn't have to interrupt your train and and when this when this story broke a few years ago it was memorable memorable because they were she was an astronaut and like you just think of astronauts not sort of behaving this way and then the diaper was like a fact in the story that really really caught people's attention so she's making this movie loosely based on it. The screenwriter decided to leave the diaper part of the story out of the film bad idea and people do not stop asking Natalie Portman about why there's no. There's no diaper isn't isn't that a great question to answer but I heard the movies great so the movie supposed to be great. She's an amazing actress. Here is leaf Natalie. Portman is an Oscar winner. She isn't Oscar Oscar in Black Swan. Yes believe we just talked about that. A little while ago. During the best folded just pulled a black swan. Yeah Yeah folded. Im indie head sitting on Andy's couch. Today's maybe that's not the same since the knee. I really am not I'm half half a man but here's a clip of Ellen and Natalie Portman Chatting Lucy in the sky. This is a true story right. It's an inspired heard by it's inspired by the sort of astronaut triangle love triangle that we heard about in the tabloids but it's it's not really telling of those people it was kind of took that idea and said what happens when someone comes back from space and it has to adjust to life on earth yeah because I would imagine that would be tricky to come back and you know have this reality when you kind of have a different perspective. Have you ever wanted to go into space oh I would love to. I think it's the coolest really really. I actually had a weird thing in Montecito. Once we were going this is where we both reside sometimes and we we're going to Oliver's you know the Vegan restaurant is so good and then all of a sudden the sky like lit up and this craft was like lynching and I was like the aliens coming. This is is really happening and on the street everyone was just standing looking up and it was SPACEX was landing there shuttles at that air force base there. You had any minute that we had aliens aliens in Montecito. I mean I was kind of exciting. Yes you worked with Pignataro my pal. I really love her. She's wonderful. She was so funny funny because I had that wig that you saw lip and so she'd always be like it's like looking in a mirror. Every time you're walking towards the same cut not really astronaut hair. She's got the cool version. I've got the lake this Dorothy Hamill version. There's nothing wrong with that. First of all you should explain because the the the original original story was that this woman drove across country to kind of confront for her or kidnap depending on version well there was deaf in the car car that it appeared like kidnapping her boyfriend her boyfriend and his new girlfriend and she wore a diaper so that she didn't have to stop on the way and we didn't do that in the right and everyone's like where's the diaper yeah very lake. Everyone's really upset to not see the diaper bill. You could actually say I was wearing it. You just didn't see it so that ends a controversy. That's next time so good line. Just say you've learned. I'm wearing when right now good. That's you don't even know what's happening. Natalie Portman is wearing a diaper right. Now everybody news do you ever struggle with late leaks what poise pads now but that would be a good spot back you you. Y See this is why he's the funny Guy Mr Funny Funny Funny. How crazy is that. 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A second guest is often appears later in the show yeah so so you know like your lead is Scarlett Johansson and then and then you might do a music or something like that and then you have a second celebrity on the show and she likes like stole our hearts that day she was so sweet so willing so funny and we had so much fun with her that we just started torturing her at least once or twice a year every every year for multiple years and now fast forward to twenty nineteen and Beth bears and Whitney Cummings who's been on the show a few times Whitney but not as not not nearly as many times as as as Whitney is a very funny woman who created varnish. She created two girls and that's how she knows. She knows bath. She's head. She had her own show. I think for a little while. She said she's done a couple of different. Things very successful. She looks very successful may entirely as well though but really really funny and so fast like in the briefing in Ellen's laughing so host Whitney and Beth Whitney Cummings was like she's like Andy like you're just it was outrageously funny the briefing. Oh my God is she imagine. She spent a lot of time in a writer's room. Yeah Oh yeah for sure yeah really really really funny and it was such a fun day and the show was fantastic and here's a little bit of their monologue care yes and I am when he comings and where your guest host for today calm down. That's going to hurt. Allen's feelings too excited not here because we locked her in a trunk backstage. She can get out if she figures out the combination joking. It's fine. I'm sure she's is exhausted from working three whole days this week. I was actually super excited when she asked if I'd fill in for her then she said I'd be co hosting with best barriers and I was like okay probably could have done it myself but it's fine. I Love I love her to mine is just I mean it's interesting because DAX shepard didn't have no and tries to twitch to do it by himself. Auden Auden Sean Hayes and Jason soukous and Johnson also wrestler. They're are known for their brilliant comic timing so it makes sense. Maybe there are two last because Ellen likes women to better than one. I'm so happy to be with you today not only because we are real life friends but we've actually worked together before you created created. Two broke girls decided and you talk to start into broker. Now we are too rich not as rich as ellen working so then the lead guest based on that show hosted by Whitney and Beth is Randall Park from fresh off the boat and also he was in the alley long movie the Netflix movie always be maybe it was called. That was a really funny movie. Let me tell you something. This guy is hilarious ran the park and he's so like dry and he's one of those people like he doesn't really like laugh at his own jokes or so. He's like he's sort of very very even tempered. My God is he funny and it was a really fun interview with two of them and then they played. I think he hosted Whitney and Beth playing five second rule correct really cool. Take a listen. Give us three words to describe it. Oh Blonde thin and richer than me. They probably all right three words to describe Whitney beautiful amazing hair the funniest person I know other than Ellen while pushing doing it all right Wendy. Tell us three things you say to someone. You find attractive. What's your number number. Where do you live you stock reports. Where do you live. Why did I get a buzz on. I wasn't asking you to in five seconds. That's the other thing I Fada someone. I find attractive you only the tell us three things you whisper to your goats beautiful look into my eyes. Do you love me mostly. It's just do you love me. Love me right. It's unconditional right after that's GonNa take a Selfie and move on. 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Yes it just ended but if you didn't get to see him on Adt go watch them on our show. He's like he's inspiring an insanely talented and you could tell Ellen just like fell in love with them and here's a little bit so nice to meet. You Happy Happy Birthday. Today is his birthday turning eleven or twelve one turning twelve month. Ah Yeah I wanted the biggest birthday party ever and to me. This is the biggest birthday by the head against send them back. This is enough for you. So how did you start. I I know the story but tell people. Why are you started playing violin. When I started playing violin I was only seven years old and I was being bullied at school because I had cancer in my hair started coming out and like I really didn't have anything to do because I have. I had a port in my chest. I couldn't play any sports and so I wanted wanted something to do and start and I started playing the violin and I feel like that was the way to release myself through music. Yeah and then I understand that you were outside busking to make money so that you could raise the airfare to get to America's got talent yes so I st performed for a year to saving saving money for my family's travel expenses so I could make it to Charlotte North Carolina and audition and so I made the cut and look at me now you look at what is it about about performing that you like so much when I perform I feel like I'm the incredible hope because I'm like a regular person now and Dan just like with Hulk Chai he really doesn't talk but then when this action time we turn into a different person and I just love to perform well shows you're. You're an amazing performer and I assume Simon is your favorite judge because he gave the golden ticket right yeah before I even got on stage. I was telling my mom Tom. I want it to impress Simon Yeah. It was just a really exciting woman yeah so you've gone from being bullied. I bet the kids at school. Thank you pretty cool now. Yes Oh yes now. 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No she'll talk a little bit but then the more complicated things or if he loses his way she likes us really they're just like item along sets them at the piano and then he starts singing with the most gorgeous voice and playing these fully complicated songs. It's awesome you know there was there was a country singer. I'M GONNA say forty years ago. Who My dad was a huge fan of your thirties. Then right whose name was Mel Tillis. Mel Tillis had a severe he had a severe stutter he sure did and so when you spoke to tell us he was really pronounced right but Mel Tillis when he sang it went away right and it was his voice voice was and Mel Tillis Mel Tillis was hilarious and Mel Tillis was very often often guests on the tonight show with Johnny Carson and Mel Tillis would tell really funny stories and he knew that he would it'd be stuttering as he would tell them and he just worked all of that into his performance and Johnny Carson and anyone else who is there there would just double over in laughter at his stories and he would and Mel Tillis would make fun of his stutter as he was trying to help you so he he he he just he used it all to his advantage and there was no stigma attached to it and there was no no frustrate. There was no frustration about it. There was no no it was just it was all part of his act today's history with tune in next week for the Barbara Mandrell story aw I think because Tanya Tucker Oh my God all right wait one more one more so so my the Mary's feeling so I wanNA send you to your room so my grandfather moved in with us in in South Jersey after he had a stroke and he was no longer able to care for himself and when he had the stroke after stroke he was a little paralyzed on the right side and he also lost his speech he could not speak but he thought he was speaking so he would talk but you would understand what he was saying unless it was a curse I wanna Wanna WanNa really yes. reflexive words intact well. Yes the brain is so crazy. Isn't it amazing thing for more lighthearted news. Yes what about these party rose. Oh my a good real names. It's Chad. Jt Chen jt Chattan jt are performers yeah right. I guess I guess so armee. Yeah I think yes I think they are performing exaggerated. They are exaggerated versions of themselves. That's that's who they are and it turned into characters these two guys they would be like cartoon characters of like surfer dudes yes right yes who travel travel around the country and go to city council meetings where at City Council meetings anyone can get up and say pretty much anything they want for three minutes they cannot be interrupted and they get a chance to speak their piece in a civil setting setting city council council that they can talk to whomever inform open for them and they use that space for comedy our producer. I think was coochy found these skype and I I'm sure he was worried about bringing them into pitch them because we really never had anything like this on the show before usually have dudes on characters because they also appeared as characters who wanted to talk to l. in about the constitution. They're so funny and I think she had a really good time to my God. She loved him back yet so here. They are talking Ellen. Hey guys how's it going. I it's it's going very well. How's how's it going you. Oh good. We're so fired up. Thank you so much for supporting our causes. We've been just worst yeah. We've been we've been fraught and ever since. We heard that you're supporting us It's time to so tell me so I I hear that I'm on Your Vision Board. You are yeah your front and center. I think you've found the Vision Board of my mind since the show started wonderful on my actual one for about a year what else is on the vision. There's there's people all over now. Have you met Howard Stern. We met him. He's cool right. He's a great guy. What's the passport. Will you travel. Is that what that is Actually I just have to to renew my passport. Tell tell everybody so you call yourself activists. Yes so tell everybody exactly the the activism that you're you're doing well. Our main mission is basically just race. Stoke with people who don't know for me. Stoke okay is like being in a car with your boys and your girlfriend going to get fish tacos. It's basically like this feeling that you have in in your heart where you know that life is really legit. Yeah like a Ripe Avocado on your ten for a compliment on your Tan. I understand you. Don't look like you have too much of a Tan. There Chad Lowe knew she you. Did you grow to guess it's not as ten is anyway. Tannen Division for Your Beautiful Skin Dogs complexions fire off all right so you go to you've been into like thirty SI- council meetings right and and so you spend a lot of time preparing I would assume yeah we spend like weeks on the speeches just again just right and like at Council meetings to like. We have to wait a while. Sometimes we went to Delaware. We had to wait seven hours a lot down but we just got stoked on civic duty and just held in which they say kind of know what you're GonNa do is that yeah and so the thing is they have after listen for three minutes right. 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Episode 1089 - Randall Park

WTF with Marc Maron Podcast

1:12:30 hr | 1 year ago

Episode 1089 - Randall Park

"Hey folks it's a new year and it's time for new ideas that you can turn into a reality. Would squarespace squarespace makes it. Easier than ever to launch your passion project. Whether you're showcasing your work or selling your products with beautiful ten put in the ability to customize just about anything you can easily make a beautiful info website yourself with help from squarespace's twenty four seven award winning customer support head to squarespace dot com slash W. t.f for a free trial. And when you're ready to launch us the offer code W T F to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain right all right. Can you dig it. Then do it all right. Let's do this show blocked all right. Let's do this how are you. What the fuckers? What the fuck buddies? What the fuck? And here's what's happening. This is Marc Maron. It's my podcast. W T F welcome to it Right up front. Well let me tell you I. I'm I'm prerecording this. It's a couple of days before the day you'll hear it. I'm in Atlanta Georgia. I'm sitting here in a hotel room. Twenty two floors above the ground. I shot all day today. I was in the studio all day today doing a bit a bit of doing a seen these scenes that we're working on they have did. They revolve around songs for the movie. Respect with Jennifer Hudson myself and others and Marlon Marlon Wayans and these are long and fairly complicated scenes to shoot in that. There's no stunt involved but they're singing and there's musicians and it's a whole day to shoot To shoot some of these musical sequences take place in the studio. But I gotta be honest with you. It's been pretty great. It's like I'm just I don't know what it may be. I'm just figuring out how to be on a set maybe just accepting that. This is a job I do. It's part of the things I do with my life. I don't know what it is but Being in this character and in this situation and in the late sixties at Atlantic records recording aretha Franklin is kind of an exciting thing man and it. Just I I've just sort of locked into the gig of it and I'm not even talking the these few days but I'm enjoying the work is that okay. Is that okay if I enjoy the work. Thank God thank God him. I'm enjoying doing my work folks and I also want to tell you the w. f. Cap mugs that were available for the holiday. Sold out really fast. You know they always do so. Brian Jones made a brand new batch. These are the handmade ceramic mugs. I give to my guests. You can get one for yourself right now. People love these things. You can go to Brian. Jones dot com slash shop starting at noon eastern today. Okay so that's happening. Those mugs are nice. I've run out of them several times. I don't stay on top of it as well as I shouldn't. Brian's churning them out so there's a good chance that some of you will get these over some of the guests some guests. I have to admit it leave empty handed. I feel bad about it. I don't make choices around it. I don't decide who will get a muggy won't but some of them we've empty-handed and I don't even even telling the mugs exist. They don't know what did they know. I will say this my guest today. Randall Park You know him from fresh off the boat you. I know him from the movie that he did with Alli Wong. You'll always be my. Maybe he's been around a long time. He's done a lot of things but he brought a gift he gave. He gave me a little Swiss army pocketknife. That was a crew gift for the fresh off the boat people and it was. It was nice not very many people. bring bring gifts and oddly andrews impact and Randall Park both probably gifts chiefs. I don't know what that's about. Is it the peace the peace. And I don't I don't know I'm not making connections where they aren't perhaps I am. Maybe it is the peace out my dates they do this. I feel like I just talked to you and I've really been doing nothing but shooting and trying to to not eat onset all day that I mean that's been what's been going on and listening to Jennifer Hudson sang a lot and having some laughs with Marlin Wayans and hanging out with the crew. You know doing that thing and being in Atlanta but exhausted so I mean the room I okay. I'll be honest with you. The reason I waited needed song because I'm recording this way tonight is The town came on TV. The Ben Affleck movie and I thought I just watch a few minutes and I watched fucking thing. So that's what's happening in my life. I missed the debate and I watched the town and You know just hoping for the best for the future with with with very little faith so here. My dates Thursday January thirtieth Cleveland Ohio at the Gore theater this for the tour. I'm doing when Dean Delray. You were sort of half tide and it's it's the the freezing leg of the. Hey there's more tour Friday January thirty first I'm in Grand Rapids Michigan at the fountain. The street church Saturday February first of Milwaukee Wisconsin at the Turner Hall Ballroom. Friday February Fourteenth Orlando Florida at the hard rock. Live Saturday February. Fifteenth in Tampa Florida at Destraz Center Thursday February Twentieth Portland Maine State Theater Friday February very twenty first Providence Rhode Island at the Columbus Theatre. Saturday February twenty-second New Haven Connecticut. At College Street Music Hall and Sunday February Twenty Third Third Huntington New York at the paramount. You can go to W. t.f pod dot com slash tour links to all of the venues. And that's that tickets are selling well and I appreciate that. Though I've got word I got word came in that grand rapids needs a little help Orlando Florida needs a little help so those those are the markets That I'm having a little. That are moving as quickly as they could Michigan again in Florida Grand Rapids Orlando. I don't know what the connection is. But that's what's going on you guys man and I don't know sometimes when I'm on the road I am much more relaxed still. Have I think I broke my back into places. I'm still walking and obviously exaggerating by. Guess I've hit that age. Where perhaps maybe? It's not a great idea to go heavy. Do you know what I'm saying. And it's like just stay in shape. There's no reason to go heavy. I think I popped a vertebra. I don't know what the Hell I did. I guess I could ask the crew doc. The DOC doc over at the at the shoot if there's a chiropractor situation. I've never been to a chiropractor in my life. I don't really know what to do. My my best thinking gets meet the regular doctor. Where I get x-rays like a regular person and I find out if there's anything seriously wrong and then I figure out from the x rays? What what the prognosis is probably from aback? Guy And then I waited out. That's that's how my brain works. Some people apparently are like. Maybe you just drink some green juice. I go to a chiropractor and I don't know if that's GonNa hurt me more isn't but nonetheless. I think I might have done it. I think I might fucked myself for the rest of my life in in the back area which happens to a lot of people over lesser. Things I did it. Who Roic we at the gym? I'll deal with it. I gotTA deal with it. I know it. I'm not complaining of here making a movie but I realized my life revolves around a certain amount of food panic and then a certain amount of introspection. Listen and the way. I- situate my life on the road. I I come back to the room. I walk a half a mile to the whole foods and I I make myself dinner dinner at whole foods and I sit there at. They have a beer bar at the whole foods downtown here our midtown Atlanta and I eat it and I watched the TV. There would no sound. That's how that's that. That was this evening I was actually there and I forgot to tell you about this. I was there on the night of the Golden Globes eating a sad salad at at whole foods and And next extra the only other guy sitting there was a guy wearing three different types of Cammo Komo hat different kind of Cammo shirt and different CAMMO pants and he was wearing sunglasses and he was five beers in to a six pack of cans of some Mexican beer and I told them that I had interviewed Brad Pitt and Leo Dicaprio City grew up by Brad Pitt went to different high school but they had common friends and that he he would like to listen to the podcast but he does not have a phone or computer and that Isa a country singer songwriter but real country. The conversation got weirder as the last couple of years went down. But I told him I'd I'd look out for his music without knowing his name and he said he'd he listened to my podcast without having a phone or computer so I think that went about is as good as it could with folks every year. There's probably something you want to get started on but you just let it go and let it go and then all of a sudden the year's gone it's overkill well. Don't wait this year. Turn your dream into a reality with squarespace. You can easily make a website for whatever it is. You're looking to do start a new business showcase your artwork. So you're pottery launch a podcast. squarespace makes it easy with beautiful templates created by world class designers. And the ability to customize just about anything with a few clicks sell whatever you want to sell using square spaces ecommerce tools used a score space analytics to keep. I'm tracking your growth and take advantage of squarespace. It's twenty four seven award-winning customer support. Your site will look great on mobile devices. You will never need to do a software update and you can buy domains and a snap. squarespace empowers millions of people to turn great ideas into something real. So what are you waiting for. Head to squarespace DOT COM Tom. Slash W. T. F. for a free trial and when you're ready to launch us the offer code WTN to save ten percent off your first purchase of a website or domain. That's squarespace DOT COM so I w T.F. Offer code WTN. So yeah I I did just changed. Changed the title to my special. It was originally going to be Jeremiad. This the comedy special I just shot for net flicks six because there was complications with the name. Jeremiad in that the folks that net flicks saw no one would know what the fuck that was probably true that they might have to look it up on a deeper note. It was that if they saw it would they know it was a comedy thing it just in the menu. I took that note. I realized they were probably right so now the name of my special is going to be an times fund the UP. Just I'm just telling it like it is it's going straight. That's I mean I'm going. That is what it is. It's end times fun. That's that's what I tried to do. That is Tony Owned the special also on the cat front. Got Some good news about my cat monkey. I'm just keeping you up to speed. I brought him in which was an ordeal when I was just home just last week to check. Because he's got the hyperthyroidism giving him. The medicine hit so his thyroid right. Now is a little low so we gotta bring the you know decreased medicine get the Roy level kidneys for his age. Just starting with a little kidney disease. I think it told you that. The the boardwalk outside of that is spectacular so it might have a little time with the old fucker and I guess you know despite what anyone says despite the outliers despite bite the people that say hey man I had. I had a cat that died at age forty. He lived forty years. I this one cat was fifty seven years old. When it died I had a cat? We don't even know how old it was but we think it was one hundred two outside of those rare stories fifteen and a half is old for a fucking cat. I have an old ask cat. And he's I think might hang in for a little while. I'm hoping I need to pay these things out. I don't think could handle putting another one down inside the same year but I if you gotta do what you gotTa do it the other cat buster he buster kitten bringing him in Shortly to get his levels checked because he's been on the kidney food since the renal failure after he ingested what I believe to be lily pollen. So that's it that's what's happening. I had Randall Park over my house before he left. And I have to say it was A. It was really a great to talk to him and I talked October Alley Wong about him and I talked to a notchback con about him a bit and now talk Randall. The final season of fresh off the boat on ABC returns this Friday January seventeenth. And there's a special one hour series finale Friday February twenty. I this is me back at the house. Talking to Randall Park. Uh home is the right time. This is A. Everything's right time right now for I. I gotTa Root Canal yesterday. Oh really It it it. For seven days I was in severe pain really. Yeah I'd had this abscess in my tooth and couldn't get an appointment right. I managed to get an like to squeeze in Dan Sometime. Identity gave me these antibiotics kick in. They'll kick I seven days straight severe pain. Nothing I mean I'd buy down on this tooth. I'd be rolling on the ground down-home okay so you couldn't even enjoy the food couldn't couldn't eat. Oh God and then i. I got an emergency appointment with this Endo Dante specialists that my dentist said yes. The they'll see you. They'll make time right. See you and they did some work and I got a new lease something like I'm like you caught me at like one of the greatest. This is it a high point in life right now. Yeah I mean. I'm just like walking on the cloud right now. Oh my God so a whole lot of it is because of all the Monterey now but yeah but I feel. I'm telling telling you this is the root canals of wild processes isn't it. I got sort of kind of zest with the help. They think that yeah to you know to sort of clean out these channels that go inside of a two way up in there with these little brushes wires and out of your mouth. Yeah they did all that channels cleaned out the channels and and just keep the base so they can drill the new one on there. They just WANNA keep that in here because extract extracting and fake like a temporary. I I actually don't have anything that I have like temporary Just pay so. I had crown on this before. They took off the cry. And it's so but they filed it all down right there's just all down just a little nub that's filled with this and I'm thrilled ah I love but now you're waiting for real tooth right. You're waiting for the chair. Yeah they're going to put one in there and that's fine. I'm I'm just fine fine. I'm just so I'm telling you seven days of just intense torture. Some of the worst pain I've ever felt in my life and he threw the worst scary scary man. I can't even go the fucking dentist without being terrified. Oh Yeah but you gotta go go. Every I go every six months to a year. Yeah and But like the cleaning just the scraping. I can't like we've been dealing with our whole life. Yeah but I'm just like clinched in. It's just horrible. 'cause you're that one sensitive you're just waiting for that one moment. God Oh nothing yeah. That's this can worse and afterwards after I got the root canal escape still scared to eat just because off. I can't even imagine I was eating Matza ball soup and sent me to the ground. That's how they sent me to to grab took me out. I was roll and underground. where'd you multiple soup? I from from arts on Ventura ordered it. Because you know that's the are Delhi and Delhi. Yeah Yeah it's about. We go there every week long time. Yeah so real Jewish Style Deli. I don't know how it really is. I mean I never heard of the like like I know one day or two Delis go to cantor's and then yeah yeah You know there's green blasts which I never go to. I don't know it's it's it's not something I do all the time I I I actually grew up going to my my family. We went to Jewish Delis. All the time we actors on Pico actors out on peak of. That's gone now. That's it's fair. Yeah Oh you mean by Fox yes what am I. Thinking of Juniors is gone. It's another Deli now. Grew up at Factors Yeah my my family. We went like every every Every couple of weeks we'd go to factors and then we go to juniors. Yeah Yeah So. We grew up in that part of town. Yeah your whole life foreign born and raised. Yeah but your folks are not from here now. They emigrated from Korea in the early Seventies. was that like a time. Where a lot of people emigrated? They just came Came I think before the bigger way. Yeah Yeah Yeah. But but that's when that's when a lot of Koreans started and how come why do do you think they settled in Los Angeles. You have family here Well my dad had a job here so my dad was here before my mom. He had a he he and I don't know what exactly xactly brought him to. La He lived in San Francisco. Yeah a lot of a lot of Asian immigrants they go to San Francisco. Why is that? I don't know whether other other people like them there. I guess because I never I guess there's a deeper history to a lot of that stuff 'cause like I am living here you know. Apparently it's like a huge Armenian community. Yeah that's right and Koreans here. I just don't know how that starts. Who makes the decision? Is there a newsletter. That goes out that we've decided this is it. I think it's just friends and family and And they say hey. It's safe here right enough of us here to Ed to find solace in protection one of US gets attacked. LP A couple of us to watch back so they start in San Francisco discarded Cisco Yeah and then He. He was a busboy at this restaurant in Sausalito. This French restaurant and and then he ended up in Paris. Chris Perez studying French. I don't know I I don't fully in this part of your dad's why vague a little bit busboy. Themselves also Ledo and then Perez. Yeah and then Paris and I think the owner of the restaurant and Sausalito had something to do with him. He really liked my dad right and then he and then he ended up in. La went back to Korea. Met My mom who was still in college at the time and when she finished she came down it. Does he know French. Yeah yeah they'll do it. Yeah Yeah and we're what he ended up doing. He ended up Well he he. For a good part of my childhood he worked for this stuffed toys company just like in the offices and apparently I was named after one of his CO worker. He liked at the stuff. Yeah at the stuff toy factory and then he and then that company moved and he didn't I want to move the family out to another state so so he ended up just working a bunch of different jobs and then eventually he ran one hour photo. His own one hour photo franchise no no just one little shop one little shop on Main Street and Santa Monica and and and you know the digital age just kind of pushed him out at out. The bitter one hour photo. We had our time he was was just bad timing. Yeah like just all you know. And then and then he Now he he works He's actually had a souvenir shop and working with family members and on Hollywood boulevard really. Yeah he can't stop working. He doesn't doesn't want he doesn't want what about your mom. My Mom. She's retired and she she ended up working at UCLA for like thirty. Plus years as an accountant Fr- uh for the students store. So that's that's where the family got the the health insurance sitting area. Your mom had stable. She had the stable job. Yeah and she she. She was there for a long time. When I was a student there she was working there sibling older brother? Yeah he's a he works at a Orthodox with a at an optometrist office. In Los feeless. So you you're the you're the only one that's in show business You only one. Yeah and now what what. How did that Like because it seems to me that certainly people I've talked to children of immigrants. Yeah there's a lot of pressure. I've talked to several to to sort of really kind of like be the one that you know. That really becomes a success in. Yeah unquestionable way. Yes yes we we we weren't you have sacrificed their lives for sure I did. You did did. Yeah Yeah I mean I got a lot of that pressure growing up what they want you to do. Come on Mark Dr Low. We know this do lawyer. That was it that was it because I don't know is. Are Those still good jobs. So they still considered good jobs jobs. I mean I know the respectable the doctors are at least I don't know his lawyer really something parents went there do still they make money. I guess I mean they're they're safer for bets in terms of. Yeah if you if you if you follow this path right these classes security. They WANNA know on. They don't want it to be questionable. Sure they know that. If you take these steps you will get to this place. Yes yes if you're I mean you start a start up in an actor. Comedian like there's no path I I'd like to think that most of the judgement that parents have about that stuff is concern like more than anything else you know. It took me Nia long time to realize that you know I think early on. It was a lot of jobs. Just you don't believe in me. You don't think talented you know which they didn't but but ultimately maybe it comes from a good place it totally see they. Yeah they love us. Don't want us to to you know be broke and a burden on them. Yeah burden on them. All of those things I want is for a good part of my adult life. So when do you were you did. Did you make any movement towards being a doctor or a lawyer or did you Well when I was in college at. UCLA I I would. I was not going to be a doctor or a lawyer but I thought maybe I'd be a professor and I thought of I was thinking King of Asian American Studies History things that I was interested in at Ucla and You know I would. I would as a professor published books. You know that sounded pretty good so yeah I saw them so I I kinda started gearing myself towards that route even though at at at the time I had a CO founded this theater company on on on the college campus and I was spending most of my time doing that stuff really. Yeah so so you you studied you. Did you did study like A. What would I majored in English in like creative writing? Yeah and and then I minored in Asian American Studies. I ended up doing two two years Masters Program in Asian American Studies and they can always going to become this professor of evasion American Studies when what is the reach of that when it seems like it's pretty broad so yeah so what. Do you study exactly. Well I mean my like the primary interest was actually in like media an Asian American kind of representation in in and and the depictions of Asian Americans in media so it was always like geared towards this this interests that I had in my heart. You know you're putting the the philosophical foundation of your acting career. Yeah and then. Meanwhile I was doing this theater company company. It was this Asian American Theater Company Avenue that That That I was I was involved with on and I had co founded on campus. What was what was that called? It was called el-sisi or it was called La the coyote be that cares theater company. And and it's still going on to this day really. Yeah it was it was. The wrong was a member of that company. That's crazy. Yeah Yeah how are you older. Like older yeah then ally. She joined after I graduated. So because you guys do that. Great movie together and and And she's written for fresh off. You guys have a long. He didn't know each other in college. We didn't know each other when she was in college. Yeah and and I was just just out of out of Grad school and you know still kind of hanging around that theater company because I was comedy driven thing it it was. It was for sure but it wasn't kind of conscious like we're going to comedy. I think that was just kind of our natural. That's what we'd liked to do. And and sort of the intent of it was to to sort of bring Asian Americans together to at the time it was primarily these what we called South South campus majors which was like Asian American kids who are majoring in math and sciences and becoming doctors right you know and and who who kind of wanted to to do this right thing. Just kind of as a hobby so we had a lot of these these These kids who raining Yeah yeah who are or at least like artists who were trying to please their parents. Then we provided them this kind of outlet to kind of like I was at the time and and and yeah we just put on we wrote all our own original like plays and and material and you were performing at the school performed at the school. We did a show every quarter and it was. I mean that was that was pivotal for me that that was when I was like okay. I know I WANNA do this. I know like I'm supposed to be a professor fesser now but this is what I really WanNa do. And we'll see what did you do. Did you maintain did you keep that sort of the spirit of like Your Knowledge College of a lack of representation being one of the driving forces. Yeah yeah I I think that time it was definitely a you know you're in. I was in college. I was uh for the first time in my life surrounded by Asian Americans and very kind of Suddenly conscious to these things whereas growing up. I didn't think about right now. I didn't need weren't surrounded by Asian Americans growing now. Now I mean I had a couple of Asian friends that I grew up with but it was predominantly everyone else is a part of La That was very mixed but there weren't a ton of other Russians. Yeah so so. We grew up knowing about about race because we also you know different different backgrounds. But it wasn't like this kind of conscious Asian American an identity right and and so. Did you find that at the time when you're in college. I wave of that awareness culturally for me. Yeah General I I 'cause I what do I. I don't know much of anything that you know. You start to realize as as a white person and one that you you know now you have to admit a certain amount of privilege because it's true but you don't thinking those terms your rent. Yeah Yeah and I don't think it's racist but you're just sort of like you take everything for granted you just going through life. Yeah yeah as a white person you without. Everything's working out well. That was me growing up too though I was just this is great. Yeah I I'd Watch A. I'd Watch Indiana Jones and put myself in the boots of Indiana Jones own. Sure not not short round. You know what I mean like and I ran. I thought short rounds funny. That's not me. I'm Indiana Jones income. Grow up a little bit step out in the world. And everyone's like you're short round like no. I'm Indiana Jones. You don't get it. I got the hat and everything. Yeah I got the hat and the win- ah but you did feel you come up against that. You felt and in college. Yeah in college and I think that's what led to the formation of that theatre in college in in which sense in the sense that Because you just being in the population of college ah in actually enacting. 'cause I don't know when bullying happens and that sort of separation we're younger. Everybody sort of integrates great. Yeah but I I when you do get to college. It's odd because you start to add groups aggregate. Yes whatever reason. Yeah Yeah and you felt that their first. Yeah I mean growing up I I got bullied. Yeah bullied it wasn't always like at least in my mind because I was Asian. But you know. In retrospect that might have played a part out of it right now but But yeah I think just being around a community that was that was thinking of these things right that was thinking being of issues of representation. Yeah because it seems that you everybody gets characterized a certain way and lumped together her. Yeah but it's weird because even you saying like all these kind of these kids that were trying to please their parents by doing math majors. Biology majors had an outlet pursue. Something there was something. So the whole sort of like I think that that expectation of immigrant parents kind of helps set sort of the context of how Asian Americans are judged in a way yeah sure visions and and what they're supposed to do for sure but the parents aren't thinking of that type the my parents they don't to this day there they don't care about the issues is that I think a lot of US Asiana Maher right kind of who were born here. At least you spent a good part of our child at he right here about you. They're just trying trying to provide right. Yeah Yeah and so when you guys Writing to this we creating pieces around. Yeah Yeah were we were. I mean pretty pretty bad stuff but yeah we were writing about about kind of everything. We didn't know what the hell we were doing right. Insures we didn't. We just didn't have a a lot of us. It was new for all of us. We didn't go to plays growing up We didn't know what it meant to write a play watch. Sketch shows we watch. Sketch shows watched. Yeah we watched movies write rush TV and we were we were we. Were just kind of figuring it out and it was. It was so find because of that we know what the hell we were doing right. No no no rules. Did anybody step in. was there anybody among you that knew how to direct or anything. How many people are in the core group I think there there must have been like twelve thirteen and that corker ended they do register it as a as a club on campus. Yeah we did so you had your own room and we had space to rehearse we had A. We had a theater later on campus the North West Campus Auditorium which was kind of tucked in by the dorm and he said all this emotion me into other three of us. Yeah Yeah we put it together and I can't believe it's still going on it's crazy. Have you checked back in with it. This show's now over over the years though I mean here and there would come back and talk to the kids and I think I'm due to come back and Oh yeah yeah so they know that you're the guy that it started it. I think so. Yeah the historical figure this small picture of you somewhere hanging. Maybe now yeah yeah out of that original original crew. How many people sort of went into show business a bunch? We made a lot of parents. Math succeeded pollution. Yeah a bunch of bunch of especially from that early group you know like I don't know I'd say a third a Of of that early group ended up going into it. They still in it. Yeah Yeah Lot thriving a lot of a lot of them you know in different capacities sure. L. Writers Yeah Yeah executives you know are you guys still in touch Yeah Yeah we all keep in touch. When we had our always be my maybe premier Allie was in the journey punch of and it was our premier was in Westwood by UCLA? Punch a bunch of us from the old back in the day came to the premier and it was real cool. That's like that's great. Yeah yeah it was really cool now do you have you do you feel. They're obviously. There has been progress. Do you feel in terms of representation in terms of like 'cause it's like it's a really odd thing. I the struggle struggle for African Americans to to against this depiction of them In general in film and Television You know it was always part of the culture awareness. But I don't think that I really took into mind. You know the struggle of Asian Americans to sort of find that place. I knew there were movies but it was always really a big deal. Feel when the movie was made about multigenerational Asia family like look at the food. It always. There's always a lot of food involve food. Ah Do you feel that now. There is a broader acceptance Yeah Yeah Yeah I think I think fresh off the boats good example. Alex Alex Wong success is a great example. So I think so and You know just kind of the fact that these projects and these people are out there in the mainstream not just is performing for other Asian Americans or that's usually what happens to. Yeah it's it's amazing there's Yeah I mean it's a broad. I mean alley successes like inside. It's insane it's amazing. It's it's amazing. I mean it's not surprising No yeah right is amazing. I don't I I have to assume that those audiences dances aren't all Asian American ninety shows that she's doing in San Francisco. She's still naive. It's crazy it's crazy as we're here in. La at the one on Wilshire and Wilton. Yeah yeah it is crazy but it's great. It is great. Yeah I think it's empowering for not just women but I obviously for Asian Americans to right I mean I I don't know why AM I. Sometimes I like I. Don't talk to her about asian-americans now you're the representatives but it but it's amazing how much you know white people take for granted. 'cause you know we've all been eating Chinese food or or or Thai food or Korean for whatever we eat. Yeah actually where it starts you go to that restaurant. It just sort of a lack of empathy to connect lives in struggled to the people that yeah for sure there. Yeah Yeah I think that's why you see it so much. Our projects is like. Yeah we are so you did a Master's program. You did a master's in what in Asian American Studies. So you really Kinda hung in there with that. Yeah I was so yeah for sure for sure it was something I was very interested in. That was two years two years. Yeah and then when you just decide I'm going to ask How did you go about well? I think it was many many years after I know. Yeah I really. Yeah Yeah I mean I think You know the expectations of my parents were it was like they were just fighting up against what I really wanted to do. And and I kind of after after Grad school I just kind of work these regular jobs. I was a graphic designer Just trying to figure it out where you fighting with your folks. Yeah Yeah Yeah a little bit and then a slow slowly. I'd Kinda hint then. Yeah I think I WANNA do this and they be like no. You're not going to do well in that. It's so hard so the character in the movie is sort of like something relate to. Yeah Yeah like that could have been your destiny cutoff. Yeah it was. I mean I was. I was in my thirties thirties. Living at home. Oh yeah because I was at that point. I was like actually pursuing acting. I wasn't really telling my parents because every time I tell them they would they would Stress how much of a failure. I would be really. Yeah I mean because you look my mom worked at UCLA and she. She worked with a lot of students or former students who had just graduated. UCLA and we're now L. pursuing acting but needed a job on the side so they'd work in this accounting department with my mom. She's like reels and she she I remember. She showed me one of her coworkers. Like real like this guy's incredible. Yeah but this guy's working with me that's how hard it is and I remember looking guys real. It's like this guy is incredible so it scared me scare you straight. Yeah but I mean again. It was because she loved me and she didn't want me. You know you have a tough time. You're at home in your thirties. Yeah Yeah and I had a tough time and graphic designer. Yeah because when I was at that theatre company in College I we. You know we'd we'd may have to make flyers for our show to put them all around camp right so I picked up some like a th. That's that's your chops in pretty basic graphic graphic design skill. Carried me into these. These jobs post college. But didn't your parents know that you were kind of like you know unhappy in Wallo or floundering in that. What were they expecting to happen with the graphic? I think they were hoping that I would. You know kind of be like okay. I'm done with this. I'm Tom went to go to law school right or or you know. I think that's right now. So meanwhile I was. I was going to these auditions I was doing. I was doing Improv. I was doing stand up for a little while I did. I I I. The at a certain point alley had moved up to San Francisco. I remember this go and sheets show me all around the rooms. I perform with her at all. These different rooms in San Francisco made a bunch of You know your friends in San Francisco at the time it's okay. So you're you're you're you're sneaking around doing this because you really are doing graphic design and you'd go in Y- it when you wanted to San Francisco. How how many times do you stand up or a bunch of time? Oh really yeah. How was it for you? It was great it was so oh fine. Yeah yeah I I loved it I especially going up there and I was an and I wished that I had lived up there sometimes because just it was a real community. You know a comedian comedy city. Yeah Yeah here too. But it's different here. It's different here. I mean if you're if you were where I was at at the time you couldn't booker. Ah Fi five minutes in. I guess it was really before all the bring your shows but I was doing those British shows I was I was is performing for me up there. She featured for me once the punch on I remember. Yeah Yeah Yeah Yeah. Yeah yeah crazy crazy. So how how. How much time did you were you in college together? We weren't well. I had a master's program. Yeah I it was right when I graduated that programs when she joined joined the company. And you guys stay friends. Yeah we stayed friends like these stories. Yeah Yeah because I I've known comics for thirty or forty years but like when he both kind of do different things and still stay ahead. Yeah Yeah it's pretty. It's pretty cool. She did you feel bad for you. Were you like when you were back then. Yeah like sort of like. I don't think so. I mean she lived in San Francisco at the time because she had moved back up and I was folks. Were there her family. Yeah and I was I was just doing. I was just trying to make it down here. I don't think she you know she has sought to much of my my struggle. When when did you sort of get Like any sort of thing going like what happened. you know it was just a slow slow build you now like book commercial You know and I'd I'd be like. Oh Wow I I felt like I made it. I booked my first commercial. Yes like it was on the Asian channels all manner and I didn't even know what the Hell I was selling but I was like. Oh Man I made it and then and then you know and then a year would pass book another commercial and I'd be like Oh this one's in English and and then another one the national one. Yeah you know it's just the kind of and then a co Star on a show and then dishing didn't beat you up. I mean you weren't had had beat me up Dan every every time you come home and see your mom. Yeah Yeah you could you know. I couldn't tell her when I booked something because you know it'd be like okay. How much did you get paid where you know what does that? What does that lead to well? Writing Kinda Airs Komo. You didn't have any lines matt. Yeah I know but I I was featured prominently it just. It was for many years. Yeah for many years after so how so after. What was a you would you? What was the CO starring role? You got the first one was a show called fast lane on. It was on Fox right. So you had representation had representation and you know. I had a commercial agent at rice and just kind of kept that it was and I kept doing these live shows. Sketch shows rose. And where were they. They were all around town. So you're part of that the UC be trip. Or I wasn't wasn't what were the sketches. Were they Asian sketches Some some of some of them were and some of them were were just kind of With friends from these comedy schools that I was in at the time to comedy schools. Well I mean like you know like Improv Rob. Kind of there's this place called acme. Oh yeah yeah it was Kinda like the groundlings Breyer's yeah exactly. Yeah I was I was you acme comedy theatre. Yeah Yeah and they had their own kind of Improv school. And what happened in that place. I don't know it away. Yeah I think it's a rental full space now. I think I really didn't take too. You're just doing learning at those kinds of skills. Doing Group Improv. Really just keep doing doing stuff because that was my thing you know I'm not like booking job right. Just WanNa keep doing every didn't lose your mind and yeah I felt like I was was actually like acting and doing comedy and And I just kept doing it or else I would definitely like quit and try to become a lawyer. You're so so when when did what was the first you know the first one. You could really be proud of and show your parents. You know what I still haven't still haven't showed them. Yeah well you know I think Gosh I think the interview was a ironically of all projects. That was kind of one that really early like my parents were like. Oh He's like he's working he's working and he's He's taking care himself right right because they've seen they saw you in other movies. Yeah Yeah but you know in small parts small parts and little mad up to a life didn't attitude right. Yeah Yeah and Ah but I had a certain point. They would just see me on TV all the time and they were. I think they really kind of put it together. Like oh he's he's working. which is amazing? I'm working towards something like soap operas and every night I did anything I would do anything I needed. I needed literally needed the money because I ah certain point what certain points I moved out of the House got my own place to move back then moved moved out again. You know really kept getting becoming broke. You know Oh my God so you had these parents and you'd have to ya go back. Yeah but that's the thing and and and I only realized this with perspective back to your House that they were supporting my dream all along they were like literally housing me and leading me during this time they they could have. I guess they could have held harder. Line yeah yeah you know you can't come back. Yeah yeah they didn't. They would never do that to this day. They'll take me in you know they're great parents. You know but but yeah yeah I think when the interview came out or Kinda China came out because it didn't really come out but at least he had some notoriety Korean newspaper that way. They're getting calls Awesome Korea from their family. I mean so I think at that point. They were like He's he's playing a big part in a in a big movie and a Ah I think they they kinda turned around there. Well I mean that part was a very specific party. You Play Kim John Thune. Yeah Yeah I mean was were they nervous now. Okay now what the entire rest of the world was you know your parents happy were worth a year. Ah Yeah I actually like you know. I talked with them before. I even took the part like. Do you think this is GonNa be A problem or you know. And they're like no. I mean to play the dictator. A yeah yeah. I talked to a bunch of people because I didn't you know I I. They really wanted to do it. I I love felt like it was. What were your concerns? Well I mean. I didn't know enough about the dynamics namic so in South Korea or a little bit right now right growing up but I didn't know enough and I and I learned a lot during that time. Would you learn. I did kind of gave you a enough confidence to do it. Well I learned that It wasn't at least in my head or at least from what I people would tell me. It wasn't as as scary a threat threat as like everyone to to to Korea to South Korea right right and And as far as even living with it for years yes exactly exactly and I don't know all of our everything that eventually happened was a big surprise. Put it that way like as far as Jusuf in terms of the whole way. Yeah yeah he was that sensitive and we were all. I thought we were on the precipice of nuclear war. Because of you. Yeah Yeah and yeah and my parents were just like thrilled. They were who you are now. It kinda right. Yeah Yeah and Yeah so so so. When that came out it was it was it was insane and then it just kind of one day all to stop it? was you know the next news item came on and that thing just got pushed aside and you have to move back into the house now. After that your at that point I was married. Yeah and working in a yeah we had a we had a kid and how many kids you got. Just one one but you you do but you were doing like I. It seems like you're doing a lot of TV. Bits Funny Shit I was doing. I was at a certain point. It just kind of the work. It just became kind of steady and I kept working and we did now at that time there. Were you feeling you know. Given the you know your past You Studies and and and also some of the intentions around creating the theater company did you. Did you feel that you were being treated as something other than Eh in Asian prop for the most part I think early on. I definitely felt that a lot. Yeah but I I needed money I'm not judging it. I'm just saying like give him from intellectually. Yeah I mean in Asian prop in the sense that I was there to kind of add color to a scene right now. Yeah Yeah here to to to to create the world around these main characters. Did you ever have those moments. Because I noticed that all the time where you see this kind of like multicultural a group of friends and you realize that would never happen. You know I yes but also that was my childhood does have yeah it does happen. I mean not all contrived yeah I mean. My my childhood was was it was a Benneton. Add it was just completely diverse is really I think for the most apart. Yeah yes but when I do see that yeah I mean especially being an actor and being a playing that you do realize that it's it's really you are kind. I have a prop you know like you. You are there to to to to show the world that this main character isn't racist yet. He has friends of collar. It's like it's so hard for me to judge what is real. What isn't because I've lived the life of a comic for so long I don't go to a workplace? I don't have regular friends just have regular. You were jobs. I've no idea how anybody fucking lives. Yeah maybe it's all a lot more integrated than I have. I know I don't know about that but but certainly my life has has been that especially my childhood. I saw somewhere at some point you wrote and acted in some movie movie of future. Yeah yeah well aside from always be my maybe there was one way back in the day with a friend and I just wrote and shot it independently Pantley and it was real scrappy and made it still in college or no no. I was out of college at that point. I was definitely. What was that about Gosh it was. It was called American fusion and it was A. I don't even remember it. I don't remember but it was definitely a for me kind of my first taste of actually seeing something I I wrote. Ah in feature form and yeah that was really like thrilling and and definitely kind of planted the seed. I gotta do that again. You know and I get into it again so it's always be my baby. Oh really you didn't do shorts or oh yeah did a ton of shorts. I mean after that I started making stuff. Yeah and I was making shorts and web series series and there was this there is this group called Channel One wine and its web series kind of showcase slash competition. I was was involved with those those people and making web series and shorts and just exercising that muscle so it was all rooted in that college. Sure Theater the company just wrote stuff and performed and got the house it gives you more control. Yeah Yeah for sure and keeps you sane. Yeah Oh yeah I don't hold on. I told these guys to come. This is like the bane of my existence. Either are they in your yard. Yeah Corsair there but like I I called the guy yesterday and I said can you come make sure they come between eleven and one. Yeah no oh dice. People have learned how to deal with. I'm okay with it doesn't it doesn't read as much as it bothers me but the idea of 'cause I just being an actor like I've noticed this because I've been doing acting lately and it came to a very waiter liar. Amazing well. That's very nice. Yeah yeah is is a t- to actually have that your life and to be beholden to other people and just waiting for material and and just showing up to do it as satisfying as it might be incrementally br mentally. It's really a compromise position in a weird way especially if you're not in the power you don't have power over you know or enough traction action to really decide what you WANNA do. Yeah Yeah I mean I'd imagine you as a stand up for all these years you are telling your story. Yeah right and when you're acting and someone else's thing when you're you're you're telling a story right but it's not your story necessarily I didn't think of it in in you. Just sort of like a guy working there. Yeah yeah which I'm fine to do. Yes just from all those years of just like oh I just need to work. I'm how I'm happy to do that. But there is take it is a very special feeling to create your own stuff. So what was the process. Because I've talked. I talked to Allie. I think like wow I mean I don. I talked to notch. Yeah Yeah about the movie. But I didn't talk to Allie specifically about the movie because I think when I talked to her she was just starting to break as a comic. Yeah so when you started working on it but I I talked to Allie and she You know breast Fred in in front of me. I remember that I think I handled it pretty well. That was really in promotion for Baby Cobra. So were you guys already working on it. Then and now we weren't we weren't it was after Baby Cobra. She well after baby cobras. The New Yorker did a profile on her. That's how big she was at the New Yorker did it at the time though she was writing for fresh off the boat right I think I think she was her just stopping she. She was off fresh off the boat at that. You've been the F.. Fresh off the boat since the beginning six seasons. Yeah Yeah we just got cancelled. You did but isn't a new season. Starting this is our sixth the sixth and final. When did you hear that it was done? month back own really. Yeah Yeah So. We just finished our last episode a couple of weeks weeks ago and you did. What were the cycles? They were thirteen season or twenty first first season with thirteen after that it was mostly twenties all the way through and this last season is fifteen. So you there's enough to syndicate. Oh yeah yeah we hit a hundred. Yeah we hit a hundred and it's been so yeah. Okay okay I guess before we get to this. So how did you get cast on that during the movies after the movies or you know I was doing I was doing. Hi Jake Kasdan movie. And he's a producer Ryan. Yeah Yeah Yeah and Nice Guy Yeah Great Guy and I I was doing a bit it part another bit part in a movie that he was directing joining in Boston and his which movie. It's called sex state. Yeah Oh yeah yeah. Yeah and his A his produce produce co producer. Melvin Mar was there and who also produces fresh off the road and he'd knocked on my trailer Taylor door and I was just doing a couple of days on that movie but he handed me. This book called fresh off the boat and was like hey read this book we want to turn it in TV. Show and we're thinking about you for your dad and I was like your good luck with that. Why because there were no Asians on TV like that at the time? I mean the the the last one before that was Margaret Margaret and that was like twenty something years because through a Asian family. Yeah and so I was like that. That's a that's a great thought. I probably won't happen and yet but I will read the book and I read the book. This book's amazing. Yeah and Still not going to happen right you know and then one day I got a call. We're we're going to make a pilot we want you to play the dad and I can't believe that let's shoot a pilot and because that's all it is going to be a pilot so let's on this pilot. You know had good attitude going about that. Sure you know. What are the possible? Yeah what's the possibility of any pilot. You're going to see her right. Let alone Asian American and Asian family with me as the lead. I'm doing a day on sex tate and I'm I'm going to be the leader of a show like not going to happen boy. The notion of failure really got pounded pounded enemy and Completely okay with that's how how pounded it wasn't so used failing and and then and then we made the pilot it Lynn Shelton the great lynch directed it. It was a great Ila so fine I I was like. There's no way there's no chance we picked up the series series We got picked up the series. I was like. Let's enjoy this one season. I guess there's something good about looking at things like that. Yeah Yeah Yeah in a way that you keep your expectations in check total. Yeah Yeah and not even in a dark way right way real like let's really hit just enjoy enjoy and you did. I did I did. And then and then after that season hey we they wanted to another season. No really this. This is definitely definitely it and then we kept going for six seasons. It's so nice I did. Your parents come to the set and stuff and now did they watch it on television now. Oh yeah yeah no no did. They actually watched every episode. They they didn't tell me that recently. Really Oh my God. They watched every episode. They're they're very proud. Yeah and they're they're able to show that yeah. I mean I think they're happy because I'm taking care of myself right of course and and the families so there's no hint of them saying if it still doesn't workout workouts now nice point at this point. 'cause like you know when you think about Dr Ken. He had to deal with that she like he. He actually did he he did. It was expected of him. Yeah and now it took them years even stop. Renewing is licensed to practice medicine and then he pivoted and they I mean he kind of. That's that's kind of the ultimate what he did. You know right right his parents because he can always say like I can always go back to being don yes. He started his license essence and he amazes me. I can't believe she pulled that off but I remember the first time I talked to him. I had to fight the urge to you. Know I had some I thought I had some health issues. They came very close to me asking him for medical advice. I think I might have called him once. I right to get some medical advice as funny. I don't blame you. I don't blame you This past week I was on the verge of calling. I'm in pain man. You guys friends. Yeah so six seasons and this is it this is it so now. How did that was With with in terms of writing the you'll always be my baby which movie dual ultimately. He went to great. Yeah Yeah Yeah. It's great. I mean I think it was in the in the first four weeks thirty two million households. Nice which is real nice. I don't know what any of that who knows waiting but it add supposedly as it was I regret I thought you were great in it. I thought that character. Sort of a heartbreaking. That's a I think it's across the board relatable. Yeah Yeah Yeah you know when she goes back. Dan Van so harsh. But that was sort of living at your parents house heavily the equivalent. Yeah you like you knew that guy. I was yeah. And what was the writing process. How'd you guys do it? It was fun we you know we. We had the idea of the story. I think we just Kinda came up with together. We just we just met regularly. Talked talked through and started working on an outline and put as much of our lives in it that made sense and made up a bunch of other stuff and I it just it felt super organic and I think it helped that we were all friends and we ended up bringing in another friend. who was a writer who didn't do in real well in the industry as a writer who also Oh came from that theater company in college really and and the three of US ended up crafting the script and the there was a deal with Netflix? Or who were once we once we finish. Finish the draft at the script. Sent it to Netflix. Do you WanNa do this. And Notch go is always on board not at that point when she was attached to another movie okay because she was supposed to direct another movie as her like direct Oriole debut and then that one kind of fell through and then we gotta get her and she was cool she was open to because because we were working with her on fresh off the boat for love her and worship her in many ways and she was down and we felt also lucky. What happens now? What you've been doing? I'm unemployed but I'm feeling again. I'm feeling incredible because of the tooth because of the root canal root canal works out. I don't care today you don't give a shit tomorrow. I'll be miserable but like in in terms of I'm going to wait till they get off the porch I can feel them vibrating. I've lost my shit about this before. Uh and it's like completely within my control but I thought I took care of it yesterday. I texted the garden and I figured you'd tell them between eleven and one 'cause I got an interview Lily Tomlin. Yeah you know and I didn't want to. I just didn't want it to better them doing this on me then You know I I I like I like that stuff when I listen to podcasts and I hear sirens in the back then I sure love it but no I think it's really adds texture. I know but like I get. There's some days with this thing where you when you live in La. We realized there isn't really a an hour our to where it's not happening so close by like I noticed that now and it just waking locked into it it drives me. Nuts is if it's not my yard. It's across the street or next door we're here just ongoing leaf blower noise but you had no control over that. How are you glad and go things you don't you? Don't get obsessed. I just got root Canal Martin. I'm cool with anything and I don't care what drugs you want. I didn't they give you before you left the Dennis but there is has no pain with the root canal right not now. Yeah now the seven days before pain I just can't I got so upset like I kinda it got sort of like. Who the hell this figured that out like? It's like it's almost like making jewelry that they would know that. Yeah and they're scraping out these nerve canal. Yeah Yeah it's it's amazing only to fill them up to make a post for a fake to as opposed to bolt one into your head. It's amazing it really is. Yeah all right so all right. So you're done but like Don don now is it in syndication. I mean I don't I don't it really means nowaday technically yes. Yeah yes technically. Yes so that's nice because you've done enough episodes to where like even if you don't work for year you're probably making enough residual money to keep your health you train. I'm not gonNA work for the next. I'm just no no I'm saying that. Ah so you've influenced me. I'm just I'm just saying you won't have to go back home at this point. Yeah no you're right you're right it's I it's it's incredible you're vested in In the in the Union I usually as I get older. I think about health insurance. I'm not count if you worker for year long as you can keep the insurance. That's it that's it I mean During said during the seven days of extreme pain At one of the days I was in so much pain my my Wife was like why. Don't you just go to urgent care. You know good and right uh but I I because of all those years of being bro Yeah and not having health insurance and I had just had it stuck in my head that I will never go to a doctor. I don't care what's happening right. I will not go to a doctor. Can't be saddled with bill right now and it's just kind of stayed with me. I didn't even think think of it as an option it's it's it's sort of terrifying and and it's a weird scramble but you realize that like so many people don't do that's why so many people get sick. Yeah they're afraid go the doctor. They'll bankrupt. It'll bankrupt country we live. And but but what are you thinking about doing. Are you thinking about writing more. Do you WanNa yeah for sure for branch out. Do you want direct things. Yes for sure actually directed the series finale of our show. Oh you did. Yeah I did and that was really fun. Were you were were you in it though to to Kinda tricky right was a little tricky. It was it was a little tricky but had been on the show for six years right at that point and you take a Lotta help hell. Yeah it's a nice way to enter the guilt. Yes on the best way to sort of get the one under the belt war shore for like you don't really feel like you really no no because it's a show jumping out in front of the camera every five minutes. Play back in the show that ah been around for a while and sound sil- right now and you know everybody on the set at that point knows what to do. You didn't need to be tour you weren't you weren't breaking any rules. Rules are pushing the envelope. No was not doing any single shot sequences to be in the guilt. Your Yeah Yeah. We're ready to go for sure. That's something I I love to do and are you writing now. Writing now started started this production company. We gotTA deal over at Twentieth Twentieth with two friends from my on the Greenwich Yeah. It's crazy it's crazy and their writers or one of them's a ride or one of them had come. I'm an executive producer. And so he's working with the production of us. Yeah that's your production company. Yeah we're like we wanted to sell Asian American stories. Uh who who wants to give us a deal right and we got a lot of offers and I was like. I can't believe this that we're getting offers to tell these stories in college. You know. It's amazing amazing. It's your Jackley what you set out to do. Yeah Yeah it is amazing and it honors your your intellectual sort of ambition. Yeah now you are sort of a professor and I'm working with for that's interesting that you know that what you're able to teach in light of what you wanted to teach you probably have a much broader and and bigger audience to do it now. Yeah Yeah and it's I'm having more fun. Yeah and doing it with friends. Hand was always the goal. What are some of the first projects you you got anything on the on the docket or nothing just started started? Yeah well that's exciting. Are you taking submissions. And that kind of doing all that and try because you know because because I right and and we have another writer in our in our little group that You know we're kind of creating stuff in house and just try and got offices on the lot. Yeah Yeah Yeah Super Cool. That's big time. So you're down. You're down by where you grew up. Yeah right where I grew up. You can go right to factors a couple of times me right down the block. Yeah yeah do that. I knew that I'll cruise over the fact is does your folks eleven the area. Yeah they're right there same house. No we're up in your office down the street right down the street. I little league across the street from Fox. That's hilarious. Yeah Yeah it's it's all very the real. Have lunch with your mom. Yeah all that yeah. It's really nice well. Congratulations thanks mark. It's great talking to you. Great talking to you too. Glad I got you on the Nice Russia on the upswing with the two best day ever pleasant into a conversation that was that guy's great is funny sharp. I really enjoy talking to him. The final season fresh off the boat on ABC It starts starts Friday January seventeenth. And there's a special one hour series finale on Friday February twenty. First you can go to W. T. F. pod dot com slash tour breath for links to the tickets. For the winter tour dates with me in Delray Orlando and Grand rapids step up. STEP UP YEP no music today. 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Ali Wong and Randall Park, 'Always Be My Maybe'

Popcorn with Peter Travers

21:09 min | 1 year ago

Ali Wong and Randall Park, 'Always Be My Maybe'

"Yeah. Hi, everybody. I m Peter Travers this popcorn where we tell you what's happening at the movies, and there's a movie now called always being my, maybe you to Arnie know that, which doored you know, and which, basically, you've got to see for so many reasons it seems like on the surface. Everything is funny and it is, but there's something sort of wonderfully revolutionary quietly going on in it. So I congratulate the both of you, one Randall park. Eighty eater. Throw it at me. Oh, it is. It's up to you. We're not going to throw to you. Otherwise, we would actually try to suffocate you. Whatever. So the big lie about this movie is that you two friends from college right on go. Let's go live movie. Just trying to sell a movie. Barely know each other when did it happen that you to actually did meet I was twenty one and Randall was like about thirty seven when I? And that a party unprovoked personal tat. He was like thirty two. No. I mean, the, the realities are you were like thirty. I was probably twenty nine thirty. I was based. And yeah we met at this. Well, we met at this party that was at his house. His roommates were hosted or front of his swing a fried rice contest. Sure. And then every year headed our -partment I submitted a cranberry dry cranberry fried rice. It was like the purpose was the goal is to make like a innovative fragrance. And then yeah. That's how I that's when I first saw Randall. And I met, we mostly met to this theater group that he had co founded LA, and then I joined it many, many, many, many years later. Graduate child who's just saying I'd love to the. Yeah. I was be as a middle being conceived. All happened. Yeah. Randall was like a legend. You know, I'd always heard so many great things about him. And 'cause he founded that group and he was talking about how one could hold a candle to Randall park after all these years. I think it's may be still be true. I don't think so. Yeah. And then very quickly. We just started collaborating together, right away, who was the most screwed up or would the both of you? I don't think we were screwed up. We just have this, like I mean, you'll maybe it'll get to this point. But we do have this like chemistry and this banter where it gets a little bit out of control to the poor. It's like we're speaking, different language, and nobody else can understand. And it's always been like that. No, the beginning. People other people would look at you and go, what? What? Both knew that it was okay pretty much. And so when you know, when we did get to the, the writing of this project, it was pretty much the same thing, just in a room, making each other laugh, one up each other reigning it in, you know and putting it on the page. Where was the inspiration for that to make this thing that you're doing together? Because how you done these amazing Netflix comedy. Weird to see you got pregnant. To say that I'm like it doesn't change his sheep of my face it doesn't. But yet that body that pregnant buddies out on both special. I know to me, like I was only light that for like eighteen months of my whole entire life. You know, but to me, right. If you watch them as watch them with other people, you're seeing. Always be my pregnant ladies. Yeah. That's sequel. I not. I think the her specials had a lot to do with why this movie. It's because. Baby Cobra blew up, and, and there was all this press written about alley, and there was a New Yorker profile written about her, and they asked her about what she's doing next and she kind of casually mentioned, oh, you know, Randall, and I always talked about doing our vision of, when Harry met Sally. And then then that section of the article got picked up by, like an online publication. And then next thing you knew there was high demand for the script that didn't exist. So we were like oh, we should get to work. No. I keep saying, probably stop telling this story. It's like when women say like my birth was so easy. It's like shut up. I did nineteen hours. Yeah. But it didn't just happen because the to view well the fresh off the boat. There you are you're the face of, of that chip. You writing it for I was writing the season for three seasons. Yeah. And it was. I mean it was such, I think about that. Joan such fun memories of especially the first season because it was yester- like think about the context there was, it was the first, you know, Asian American family sitcom in twenty years, and it was enormous amount of pressure on the show. And we were making and writing all these episodes, all in a bubble before, and it wasn't airing while we were writing it was all just gonna air like, at once, and that there's nothing like that first season, it was my first time staffing, the show. I I hadn't worked with the NAS cocoon before, and she taught me how to break story, which is like the craziest skill all ever learn in my adult life, you know. So it mean exactly the breaking rapist rakes in means, like, you know, always talked about. How it's very easy to think of a good act one but act threes, extremely difficult the fall through, that's where everything falls, apart and nausea is very good at solving act. Three should be very good at a lot of things. And it was, so it was, I mean, yeah, just getting to watch at work, and hearing her analysis of game of thrones or the Oscars, or anything that just happened on TV or in the news was such a delight. Yeah. So, but you went through that and then you decide to do this because he wanted what you would do together to have a kind of rump. Calm feel. While we were really influenced by movies, like, when Harry met Sally, and we, we, we just wanted we always wanted to show. Yes, that was probably one point. Title at one point. I but yeah, it's it was just an opportunity to hang out to have fun. And, and like Allie mentioned, the notch con old friend of ours, from, from our experience, on fresh off the boat, and she was she speak, the language that she understands you. Oh, yeah. The third party. And then we brought her in, and, and it just it's just a blast working with old friends, you're both Asian American Korean background, right? You have beaten AMIS China. And yet, there's nothing about this movie that preaches anything it just is right. It's is that something you just Termine going into it. I think we were really we talk a lot about boomerang. And how what did he Murphy, like we? I love that movie. It's one of my favorite movies for a lot of reasons. One, Mattel, you meringue. Where you watching it on. I was watching. He had his driver's license yet is all sorts of laces colonoscopy watching boomerang Walter. Entertaining. We. Oh, yeah. Like all the women in that movie are so funny, and that kind of move movie where it's, it's populated with all these, these black people, and because of that they got to be people. You know, they got like David Alan Grier in that movie. It's such an interesting character that I felt like you've never seen before, and they don't go to great lengths to explain why the movie is mostly what people it's just. It's just what it is growing up. You didn't see this. Did you? You watching Zuma wasn't about. Well, she shouldn't have been. I did watch, but I mean I talk a lot about how, you know group in San Francisco. And in the movie, we have some shots going by the four star theatre in San Francisco, which is the small theater on commenced street where they showed a lot of Walker wife films, and Gruden Asian Cannes film festival every year. And now they see that it's like it's such an important festival, because I, I mean I saw myself represented every year and all of these shorts and some of them are really bad, and some of them are really great. But I saw myself on a consistent basis, I would say on a big screen, and that made an yes, I watched like a lot of TGIF and a lot of other movies, but that had a big impotent made me I can see in retrospect, that it certainly made me feel confident, and it made me feel like Asian American people matter. And that we, we had something to say, and that we were capable of being creative. Great did that happen. But a lot of. Have been the movie with chorus explains it all where she's watching a white family, you know, doing this, and this is part of her everyday life. And did I mean that was my everyday? Life growing up. I watched you know. Yeah. All the sitcoms all them, you know, any popular movie that came out. And there were hardly ever Asian Americans on the screen, but it wasn't a problem for me it was like easily put myself into their shoes. And, and I you know, I it wasn't until I came out into the real world that I realized that, oh, I see myself as the lead of my own movie, but in other people don't he now, and that's when I was like it is a problem. We should we should see more of ourselves or -flective on screen, you know, ever since this movie has premiered. All anyone can talk about is how Randall do you notice snack is, and when keeps calling Randall the snap, and then there's debates whether he's a snack or a meal. Where do you put him? I think he's the whole thing appetizer lunch dessert, everything. But every but like this is something that I've known for a long time. You don't mean that all these Daniel Kim him or like super sexy Asian men in this movie being people. You know, when I guess it's weird and not weird, but it's very eye opening to other people. But like this, I've been saying this all along. And now it's just on camera. That's the big difference. You know, a big difference that gives that also seem that too. But this like public expression of attraction towards these guys were also they're like, forty five and fifty is like. You know. Great. It's like it's long overdue. Some guy like him who has over a hundred and fifty IMDB credits should have been in the lead the lead in a romantic comedy, like ten years ago, someone who's like you kidding me. Like you're good back looking that talented and that funny. And that charming and that nice to work with. And then it was like this is I guess, this is what it took, you know. And, and here we are. And I mean he's now I'll never get to with him. And I'm sure he's going to many more. Your memories. Yeah, it just can't happen again. You can't really do this. But we also see a movie that's filled in all of these parts. The actor lays your dad. Yeah. The parent that's one of the relationships, I'm most proud of in the movie. You know, kinda great because they. Something you never revolutionary. You never see that they're not really defining. They're going on with their lives as well. We see a lot of those movies and the only thing that you are in those movies if the romantic leads up front is that relationships these are, but they have their own lot, he starts dating somebody. Yeah. No. His dad. Yes. Character. Played by Keanu Reeves. I know how much we're allowed to say. Okay. Yeah. But Kiana is playing basically version of himself. Yeah. She's see him basically have the balls to himself as a tremendous. You know what even great fun? He was shooting John wick three while he came to our said, you know, he had this little window, and he came to our sets of play, and he was still stomach John week three mode. He was like doing all these stunts, and then just pop in for this hilarious kind of self parody kind of role and he just came alive. I think he really wanted to do some comedy at that point in the sense to that Kiana is Asian American. Wow. And in terms of his background to do it. You have that. And I don't think the world even thinks of that, right. I didn't know know. Yeah, yeah. He's hours claims we're not. Yeah. Sars. He's like I don't need any view. Yeah. This is going to be an you, basically without giving too much do get to punch. I get the time. And then to sing a song about, you punching. There's nothing bad. Not only to have it seen where that happened then to do it. And then to sing about I had to I had to I got the punch on res gonna like commemorate that in the song. So when you are each doing other things to you call each other and say. What the hell did you do that for? Really? Are you are you sort of easy on each other? Or do you just basically say exactly what you think? Because friends who go back and just the college, you know, the, the movie is back to ten, but sometimes you can just say those things because you're forgiven I clown you for all. But, but like long after I don't do it during. No. Jerry. Five years later when you really moved on, I don't on her. Okay. You gonna clown me. Oh, I saw you taking kid to school. Good. Mom snack peel care. It aside. There's nothing about do anything else. This movie. I m d credits when one hundred fifty credit balances. Yeah. For a time. Bring up anything. There's this one project. Come on. You should be able to do all be able to do that. We should say. Yeah. Well, I'm sorry, that ever have learned something. It was in. Of course, you've got to go through that I have to say, I pump him up a lot because handled kind of Harlem himself, sometimes he's like, you know, he's, he's hesitant to admit, like how, you know, he's he's a very modest guy, you know, and I'm like great. And it's okay to say your grade, he's like, let's hear it from you. I'm great. Satisfied. Okay. We're going to see a few questions here from the outside world outside world. Okay. Allen, Randall you are both. So funny. Did you know right away that you would have great onscreen chemistry? I didn't know when it was a mystery to me because we had never been on camera before together. So I if shooting together, and I was like, what? Terrible together. What if people don't and I was worried that people wouldn't believe us as a couple because we were such good friends, you know, and I didn't know if that would translate into like. My romance chemistry, you know, but. Yeah. So I didn't know I had no idea at all. I I wasn't nervous about it. I felt very confident that we'd be able to pull it off. Okay. Next, please. Oh my God. This looks great. And so does alley wrong? Glasses who makes them seriously. Tell me who makes them all this conversation is like random gets to be a snack and all anybody cares about is my optical wear, and what it was like to kiss all these snacks. No one is asking Randall, what it was like to kiss. I'm not I don't even get to be snack. Spaghetti? It's because everybody. They didn't play Kim Jong Hoon. Nineties orlando. People already blossom into a snack. So how many prison glasses did did I wear where at least like five they were from gentle, monster? Dida a lot of them are from Dida DAT a. Yeah. You should have your own line, there should be. Yeah. You why not it would be great. I have a lot of pairs like twenty pairs of glasses and sunglasses. I believe they're like shoes for your face. Too many Imelda Marcos glasses. That's really good. Okay. Is there time for one more is there? Oh, I didn't know about anywhere else. But whatever. So hot so. Okay. That just seems like a comment. You know, I didn't wanna put you made me. But they're contri- too, it's gonna get worse. Was even a question. Sometimes. And we just go with it. Will you to this is the first time you've been on this show? And I'm delighted. Oh. You do not know that we end in song, always. Well, it's just thing he could. Hey. But that Dangelo song in the movie, right? Which is so great, you know. And it's the I wonder how tangible feels about if he's watched it. I Angela you're out there. I know popcorn with Peter travel. Yeah. But it's so great because we hear that music, and nobody really knows what's happening or being set in it. It's just the erotic song that has a feeling and you don't have to know the word. So why can't you to just for a few seconds? Give us a little of untitled. You can do it. I already did. Know you sick. We don't accept. All like great actors just go above their sickness send. They sold you're on. This is. Does that headed into? Oh. Yeah. That would you sexy? In the movie, you get a whole. Oh, that's it? And you people need to see that movie and need that since it's on Netflix to you have no excuses. Thank you. Thanks really great talking. Thank you.

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Romance and Representation: 'Always Be My Maybe' And The Future Of The Raunch-Com

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33:04 min | 2 years ago

Romance and Representation: 'Always Be My Maybe' And The Future Of The Raunch-Com

"This message comes from NPR sponsor indeed, if you're hiring with indeed, you can post a job in minutes. Set up screener questions, then zero in on your shortlist of qualified candidates using an online dashboard. Get started at indeed dot com slash NPR podcast. Always be my maybe has all the elements of a raunchy screwball, romantic comedy, except for its stars. They're both Asian American comedian Ali Wong actor Randall park. It's the third such rom com in the last year after crazy, rich Asians, and to all the boys, I loved before, what impact our movies like this having, and how did the creative team balance being culturally authentic, and just being flat out funny? Joining us from Burbank is no notch ca con, the director of always be my. Maybe she's also the creator of the ABC sitcom fresh off the boat, the notch. Go, welcome to one A. Thanks for having me. And with her in Burbank is Randall park who wrote co produced and co stars in always be my maybe he also stars in fresh off the boat. Randall welcome, thank you so much. First of all, the notch get and Randall congratulations on making a very funny romantic comedy. I don't usually go for a Manta comedies. I thought this was was a hoot, so congratulations on the movie, first of all. Thanks. Let's talk about the story at follows to childhood best friend Sasha. Kim is played by Ali Wong, and Marcus TRAN who's played by you Randall. They have a high school fling, then lose touch for a decade, and then reconnect. Here's a clip of them as adults reminiscing, about one of their old haunts. At least doesn't change more than either. There's women are still so rude and disappointed that neither speak. Cantonese. Hello. They Homa suits. I learned better service. Also, sometimes free. A scene from always be my maybe. And congratulations. By the way, forgetting San Francisco, exactly right. I moved here from San Francisco. And the whole movie was like, oh, I know. And that's the home. I like it was it was, it was funny and painful at the same time the notch get how did this film come about? Well, you know, Allen Randall had set it up at net flicks Allie was profiled in the New Yorker. And she mentioned that Hearn rental had been talking about doing their version of, when Harry met Sally, and based on that everybody was like beating down their doors. They're like we want the script. So they decided they were going to write the script themselves with their friend, Michael co who they knew from UCLA days. And so Netflix was, you know, they were like we want this immediately Allie tells a story about. She was like at a meeting at Netflix doing some bits about wonder woman, because wonder woman had just come out, and she was so excited, and she was pretending to be wonder woman, and then Scott stupor, who's the head of the film division was, like let me stop you right there. We want your movie. So it's like we don't need these. Thank you for your thank you for your bits, so anyway, they had already set it up, and then I was involved as a consultant initially, and, and it sort of just worked out. They asked me to direct it and I was thrilled and notch was actually a. Attached to another movie that was going to be heard threats Oriel debut and that one fell through and Allie. And I were like, we gotta get her snatched, her no Randall, your co writer and co producer on this film talk about your role in bringing this story to light alley. Wong, apparently had a very open door net flicks, but in terms of being able to tell the kind of story you wanted to tell have it shot the way you wanted shot. Have it come together the way you wanted it to come together talk about that part of the process. Well, you know, it wasn't really much of a struggle, it, we, we wrote the script again, before we had a deal with Netflix. So we, we were kind of in our own bubble. And we just wrote what we wanted to write. And we brought in Golob go who also knew us very well we all came from the same theatre group in college, and then and, and we when again when notch was available. We hired her and just knowing that we were all on the same page comedic Lii and just Lear. We were. Well, old friends and kind of every step of the way we made sure to hire people who got it. And thankfully the executives at net flicks. They, they understood that. How important it was that, that we stick to the story that, that we created, and it was it was pretty painless. And what was the it that you wanted them to get? That this story came from a, a real place for us. They were a lot of thing elements about it that, that were authentic to us. And because of that we were kind of the, the experts in terms of, of getting that authenticity. Right. There's a lot in the story in the notch good. That speaks to various aspects of Asian American culture, this part of it, that feels very pan-asian in the film, not in the sense of being the kind of, you know, lifestyles of the rich and famous travelogue that crazy rich Asians was, but in terms of looking at various kinds of Asian cultures and, and cuisine and lifestyle and so on talk us through the process for you, as a director of depicting that on screen in a way that felts organic. Yeah. I mean, I think that, you know, it's all about this world that these guys have created and within this. World for me it was very important to get the details. Right. So, you know, the movie opens with young Sasha, Alley's character, who's a latchkey kid who comes home and is making dinner for herself in the question is in this world. What would this little girl make herself? You know what I mean? And it was important for us to get that detail. Right. Like same thing. There's another scene where there's a birthday party that they're all going to, and I was trying to figure out what's the best way into the scene. And I wanted something dynamic to take us in, so I have two little girls running across the front lawn and I you know, it's all done in a sort of a one shot tracking shot, you know, seeing them run through taking off their shoes, run through the house, put their shoes back on outside, and then run into the backyard. And that, you know, it took a while to get the timing of that, and everything. Right. But I think for me that just sells authenticity that that Reynolds talking about. It's like I wanna welcome viewers into this world. You know the scene is not about that. But if you do, right. And you add those detail. Sales in and you make it authentic and believable and part of the bigger story. I think people will feel like the movie is lived in, in a way that, that they would appreciate the notch go let me ask you about fresh off the boat. It often tackles the challenges that immigrant families face when they're adapting to American culture without completely assimilating to it. Here's a quick clip of ABC sitcom fresh off the boat Lee. Did it Lois? We moved to America. And we made it. Really the success story. Yes, we are. I mean, we did fly economy, plus besides no one loves America more than you as soon as we move back here. You would miss it over there. We go back there. You know, you're going to miss it here. Well, maybe we'll never feel completely at home in either place, a clip from ABC sitcom fresh off the boat and notch. How did the experience of putting fresh off the boat together getting that two air compare with putting this film together did one inform? You and doing the other. Well, I think you know when we premiered fresh off the boat. I believe that was in two thousand fifteen February two thousand fifteen and that might not seem like a long time in terms of years, I mean it's only been about four and a half years. But the industry has changed so much in my opinion that, you know, a lot was made when we first premiered, the show of the fact that there hadn't been Asian American, you know, sitcom featuring a primarily Asian cast since Margaret show in the nineties, nineteen Ninety-four had been twenty years. And that was kind of the dominating story and people didn't know if it was going to work, certainly, executives didn't know and a lot of executives love data. You know, the able to look at numbers to see if something's going to work or not, there was no numbers. So it was sort of a people were were those big question, Mark. And I think now it's, it's much much less. So in, in terms of this movie always be my maybe like Randall said, you know, no one ever questioned should we do this. Is this the right thing to do? Are people going to watch it was like this is the movie we wanna make? And from the beginning to the end, we were all on the same page in terms of the studio that producers everything, and they know that there's an audience who wants to see this stuff, and, and it shows, you know, rental that seems to be kind of the most extraordinary part of the story of how this came together. Particularly because studios, do like data and no one does data like Netflix. And so I, I wonder you know, we, we know that net flicks is reaching for a broad global audience in lots of very narrow ways. But it is kind of interesting to me that you say that they just kind of got it that they didn't really need a whole lot of research to say this story would work. Yeah. Yeah, I think a lot of it is a testament to Allie Wong, and her her genius and star power. And, and you know they have they had the numbers on her specials. They knew what they had with Alli but, but also I. I think, you know, a lot of it had to do with the hiring of new notchback Khan, and the, the great respect that everyone within the industry has for her. And, and just the fact that she, she's, she makes hits. So, yeah, I think for them, it was a, it was a no-brainer talked about your, I'm sorry. Go ahead. No, no, no. I was just saying that's very kind of Randall. I also wanna shout out. Randall, who is a legendary performer and respected icon. Well, and I was gonna ask you Randall about your character, Marcus Kim. He's he is very different than many of the Asian Asian American lead characters. We see in mainstream movies. He's a slacker. He's not college educated. You know, he has a parent who has zero Asian accent in the film, like there's so many things, and I know on some level that sounds kind of facile to point out, but it's not something you see very often in movies that have an Asian American male as the lead. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, while we were riding it we wanted to we I mean, we want alternately the process to be fun and for us the right to keep the, the writing process fund. We wanted to do things that were different but also things that were real and things that we, we knew and seeing, and we, you know, we all know a character like Marcus, especially in the bay area. He's extremely relatable and, and. And the relationship between James Saito, Harry, and, and Marcus is, is something that we, we've seen we, we know a lot of Asian American kids, whose parents were also born in America, and, and, and it just was something that was real to us, and that we hadn't seen reflected in, in movies and TV. So so we were like excited to show that, and GM Saito, the actor who plays Harry, who's Marcus's Marx's father, the notch ca I won't make Randall answer this, but there's also a certain kind of glamorous snus to the film at times, and a sex appeal to it at times that I don't think people are used to seeing with Asian actors, like there's one of the love scenes in the movie after which I was like, well, Randall didn't skip tai-bo this week, he's kind of, it's kind of incredible to see like too hot Asians on screen being sexy with one another. You just. Don't see that a lot of tai-bo. I didn't lot of tai-bo man. I give him credit. I mean when we were rehearsing and Randolph took a shirt off. I'll just tell you that there were a lot of gasps onset. Jess people were like, oh my God. Where did this come from? I mean you know, he showed off his body. No, okay. Now read into the internet gas was that kind of, like I didn't know Asian guys could look like that gasp or like what was it? Well, I know I think it's, you know Randall is such a great performer. And he so generous. And he makes everybody feel welcome. And, you know, just sort of part of the collaborative process, and then to sort of see the section that you're talking about, you know, it's, it's them making out going up the staircase. So it was very planned out. I wanted to make sure nobody got hurt or anything but it was very sexy, and that was a decision that we all made with our producers good universe. We all knew like in this point of the movie if we're doing our job the audience wants this, you know, they want to see this an alien rental as you say there, too, like beautiful people. So when we were shooting it, I just think it's like you're used to seeing Randall, as like this funny, affable, you know, leading man. Man, but then he becomes this, like sexy dynamo or whatever, you know, when you're like digs, his shirt off, and laying, you know, there's a lot of people at craft service were fanning themselves. That's it. How was that Randall for you and Allie to perform in terms of being a romantic comedy, where you kind of aware of the uniqueness of it while you were filming it or did you just kind of like go for it the way that you would with any comedy? I think we just kind of went for it and, and, and want it again. We just wanted to, to, to be real in the moment, and we weren't thinking too much of the, the other implications of it. But, but it's great that people are talking about that. And, and that, that people are feeling like this is, again, something new and, and real, ultimately, I do want to talk a little bit more about that, when we continue with Randall park and the Condie, co writer and director, respectively of the net flicks, romantic comedy, always be my maybe also hearing from some fans of the movie who enjoyed it got some questions about fresh off the boat. And also, there's this little matter of Keanu Reeves in the movie now see I'm not going to ruin it for those of you who haven't seen it kion news in the trailer. I had not seen the trailer. I just saw the movie, and then I look up, and then there's kion res and I'm like, I'm gonna have to ask Randall in a notch about that tomorrow. So I'm gonna. Ask them in a minute. Stay close in town. So of basically God, she call me her guilty. Up much on that it was better than anything. You could see a speed telling you. 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Back now to our conversation with no notch ca Khan, and Randall park, their new romantic comedy is called always be my maybe streaming now on net flicks, let's get to some of your comments joy emailed. I watched this the other day with my husband and we enjoyed it thoroughly. We're both Korean Americans, and we are surprised at how we could actually relate at it made the movie even funnier. It also made us wonder if Asian Americans are becoming more majority than before that we can see this representation on screen. Thank you, for creating the movie notch Konin love to get your reaction to joys Email. Well, I mean, I think that kind of it goes to what we were talking about earlier about the idea that now that there is more data. You know, now that things have come out that have worked in succeeded featuring primarily Asian casts. You know we talked about fresh off the boat. You mentioned crazy rich Asians. You know, there's a lot of different shows and movies behind that. I think that it's a matter of people in charge understanding that there is an audience who wants this content and wants to see themselves. And you know, it sort of has broken through a lot of kind of industry thoughts that were, like, you know, stories like this won't travel internationally, you know, especially comedies or very hard sells overseas. You is there an audience for this? And I think that we and others like us have proven that they're that they're in fact is now just to tag onto that notch could you dig a little bit into the timeline of how this film came together because it seems like when one movie TV show project is. Successful. They're a bunch of others that are similar, like, oh, people are into this kind of movie, let's make a whole bunch of them was the success of crazy rich Asians. Part of the, the push to get always be my maybe produced or were they kind of in production at the same time. Did one depend on the other now? Yeah. Like a timeline wise. This was going simultaneously to that. I, I can't I think that came out last fall that came out after we actually wrapped. Yeah. We wrapped end of July last year. So, you know, the, the great news is that there are a lot of projects going simultaneously. You know that it's not just one and we'll see. It's like we're at a place now where, you know, the success of other things before us has kind of opened the door to more stories being told, and hopefully will continue to pay that forward this excessive always be my maybe can open more doors and just encourage more people to get their stories told Randall how much do you find that that is related. Two to partly to the point that the joy was making in terms of a cultural shift to the presence of executives in production companies who are Asian American who say we need to advocate for these kinds of stories or is it just the industry writ, large starting to get it in a different way. I think both, I think it is important to have Asian American executives and, and just people from traditionally underrepresented groups be up in those ranks. We you know we had to executives from from net flicks rational, lean and to here, and they were to women who just got it, and I'm sure them being women played a part in that they, they, they understood the importance of, of, of telling the story and yeah, I think that but neither of them were Asian American. But, but they, but they understood it. So I think yeah, having having people who get it. Is important, but, but definitely having Asian Americans in those ranks will help get these stories out even more, by the way, I noticed that you wrote Ted serandon into the script that I, I caught that Ted Sorrento's us the head of con-. Well, yeah. Hey, I mean, I, I imagine by the way, Ted Sarandon is the head of content at net flicks. And if you listen to one of the reps in the in the movie, there's a little quick, like a little to Ted. And then it kind of Daphne emailed, as a Chinese American daughter to immigrants. I greatly connected to Marcus's story. I lost my older, brother and only sibling in my twenties and have since felt the need to stay near my parents to help be there in case they need care and support to play Marcus. How much of that pressure of being the Asian son factored into his career, and life decisions also Marcus songs were hilarious random. Well, you know, Marcus is just playing Marcus or right? Creating Mark is in playing him, just again it just came from a, a real place for me in terms of the relationship to the fan. I didn't have a death in my family quite like that. But the, the relationships in my dad, and, and, and the connections and my mom, I mean, all of those were from a real place, and, and one thing about the, the paintings in the house that we talk about a lot is that those are actual paintings that my mom made because she is a painter, and we, we use her actual artwork in the house, and just, just kind of, filling the world with these, these real things that make it make it feel real and make people relate to it. Talk about your background Randall in terms of how you came to, to acting particularly, you know, your path to this romantic comedy. I mean did you. Did you get into film to try to increase this kind of representation, did you grow up on the same kinds of mass media to everyone else grew up with, like, what were some of your big influences? Yeah. I grew up. I grew up raised on sitcoms and. Mostly watching white families on TV and, and then the Cosby show, and, and, and not really thinking much about it. I never really questioned. The fact that I wasn't being represented. It wasn't until I went to college at UCLA where I met a ton of Asian Americans, and I kind of realized, oh, that's not right. We should see more of ourselves out there and, and started college theatre group in Asian American college theatre group, at UCLA, which Allie Wong, eventually joined, and, and we started just telling our own stories back in nineteen ninety five and, and that definitely planted a seed in my head that this was, this was something I wanted to do on, on a grander scale, but it wasn't until way later that I actually really dove into to pursuing a being a professional actor. And you know at the beginning, it was it was tough. It was a long road there. There weren't. Many opportunities at that time. But, but they're like notch said, there's a lot is changing really fast. And I think that's great. And since you mentioned UCLA just to the quick, look just for those who aren't familiar with the student body, as of twenty seventeen eighteen the undergraduate class at UCLA was twenty eight percent. Asian twenty two percent Hispanic twenty seven percent. White six percent multiracial now not to go. What about you in your path to directing and the influences that shaped you as an artist? Well, I think, you know, each project for me is specific different. So for this one knowing that part of their inspiration was, when Harry met Sally, they also mentioned boomerang as another inspiration. So I wanted this movie to feel like you know, a classic rom com that we all love. So from like the eighties and nineties, so referencing those movies, working with my DP, Tim stir stret-, who is amazing has ton of experience. I'm sure you're, you're director of photography, the cinema talk. Yes. That's right. The cinematographer and, you know, coming up with the sort of classic I wanted it to feel romantic visually because I thought the combination of that with very modern story that feels very two thousand nineteen. I thought that combo would be interesting for us, and we all love the genre of the rom com. You know, so we wanted to sort of tip our hat to that a little bit. But also kind of make it our own and make this movie. Kind of unique in that way. We are speaking to Randall park, and notch con about their new film. Always be my maybe Randall park co-stars with comedian Ali Wong and notch. Con directs in the movie is streaming now on net Netflix. We'll have more with them. Just ahead. Stay clubs. 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There was a lot of buzz for this film early social media kinda went nuts when the trailer dropped, especially the reveal where one of Marcus's rivals for Sasha's affections appears here is another clip from always be my maybe. There. So he literally slowed down time as he entered and had a soundtrack. How did Keanu Reeves and up in this movie, I was not prepared. To see. Look, I, I thought I'm not gonna watch any of the trailers. I'm just going to come into this cold and receive it. And then you punch me between the eyes with he honorees. How how I just wonder how? Well I mean you know, time works differently for kidding on. Yeah. That was not done in post he he walks. Parallel dimension as you convince him like how did that hats? How that's how film captures. Yeah. You know, he it was the these guys wrote him in as the sort of dream slash nightmare version of who, who Alley's character could be dating that, you know, because you're really tracking Randall's character through that section because he he's he wants to tell her how he feels and then she's like I'm seeing someone and they wrote it into the script, and we sent it to his representatives. We didn't know if we'd ever hear back, and we got a call that he read it and really liked it, and wanted to, to sit down and meet, so we did, and he was amazing. He totally got it. He read the entire script, not just his section. So he knew like how his character sort of fit into the bigger picture. We discussed that and he had a lot of really funny pitches about his character that made it into the final film of glasses without the lenses that was that was his. He was a good sport about the whole thing super great and down for whatever down to play around, you know, improving on set with these guys. And I had an extra camera that day because I didn't want to miss anything. So I had always a camera pointing at canidu- just you never know what you know. I mean that's still making one. Oh one. If you have Keanu onset always have a camera on him, always always shoot. Tiu, filming shoot. I'm gonna read an Email from Joe. Who writes, I'm a huge fan of nineties, hip hop, and the movie opened on, in my opinion, one of the best songs of that era, ninety three 'til Infinity this era and its music is also a theme in the show fresh off the boat. And I'm wondering why they decided to include it in the film, as well to be clear. I'm also glad they did. What about them? Well, that was another thing that kind of came from a real place while we were writing it was, it's the music that I love that I grew up with and yeah, that a lot of us who came up in the nineties, just it was everywhere, and, and a big part of our lives. And, and so it was a big part of Marcus's live life. And the fact that he is in this band that came from a real place. I used to be a ban in a band, right? Out of college is very similar to the one in the movie and the, the ban in the movies just basically, like what if that Dan from college kept playing well into their adulthood? So it it came from a real place in a real love for the music, who wrote the reps. We heard a bit of I punched key on Reeves in the last break, he wrote those who perform those I, I wrote the I, I wrote, I wrote the lyrics that I performed and all the songs there, there is another song where bay area legend. Lyrics born who plays quasar in the movie. Yeah. He he, he contributes another verse to one of the songs. You don't hear it in the movie, but it is out there on the internet. I saw him in the film, and I was like, is that it is lyrics born and the music was produced by Dan, the automated, who is another legend area, bay area producer Ninotchka one more thing I wanted to ask you about the look of this film. It's very you know you capture the bay area very well. Allie Wong is glam to death in some of the shots. Whoever your wardrobe designer is deserves a bonus. Talk about just the look of this film. You wanted to have this kind of like these characters from two very different worlds. But yet they share this cultural world through Asian cultures. Yeah. Well, I I wanna shout out, Lisa Evans, who was our wardrobe stylist, and she was amazing or costume designer and, you know you approach every department as its own thing. So when we. We sat down to talk about the wardrobe. It was important for the character. So alley plays it's very successful restaurant tour slash chef, and we wanted her to feel successful, but feel real in the same way, we didn't want the kind of, you know, power suits and shoulder pads of dynasty or something like that. We wanted it to feel like what would she really wear what's the most flattering for her? Allie herself is very into fashion. So she contributed a lot. And then conversely, Marcus's character, you know, he is yes he's blue collar. He lives at home. He's in a band, but he's not like some loser living in the basement. You know what I mean? Like Allie has a joke with, like crumbs in his beard in order to mean like he is a viable man for her, and we want to be rooting for them. So his wardrobe was very important to feel real authentic. Lisa pulled a lot of vintage items because that's also sort of a little bit of a pet peeve of mine when everyone's clothes in movies, look brand, new, you know, like I, I wanted it to feel like Randall's had a bunch of these items in his closet for ten years, or something like that, before we let you go, or last, I'm sorry. Our last few seconds. What's next for the two of you? Randall. What's next for you briefly another season of fresh off the boat? Yeah, I can't believe it. Six seasons. It's mind blowing. Yeah. And then I'm starting a new deal at universal soon. So I'm gonna start figuring out some more TV movie projects, hopefully notch could con creator of fresh off the boat in the director of the new net flicks rom com. Always be my maybe the notch ca thanks for talking to us. Oh my gosh. Thank you for having me and Randall park. Co-star fresh off the boat and co writer, co producer and co star of always be my maybe. Thanks randall. That was fun. Thank you. This conversation was produced by statia, Brown and edited by Miranda. Full more to learn more about them and the rest of the team. Visit the one eight dot org slash staff. This program comes to you from W A, M U part of American University in Washington distributed by NPR until we meet again, I'm Joshua Johnson. Thank you so much for listening. And we will see you tomorrow. This is one A. Tiny.

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Spoilers: Always Be My Maybe

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We have two of my very favorites lead staff writers in the studio. I up Heather swell. Hi, heather. Hi, Marissa and Ingo king Hyang you. Hello. I have already mentioned alley Wong Randall park who not only star in the movie, but they actually produced it. And they co wrote the script with Michael glencoe Wong has said that they envisioned the project as their version of, when Harry met Sally classic rump gum, but there's another very important. Co star of this movie, I feel, we should mention of front, and that is Cana Reeves playing himself and whose role Netflix was kind of keeping secret for a while, but then they put him in the trailer it's kind of weird. They actually when I went to go see this movie like at Netflix headquarters, they made me sign an NDA, so I would not reveal Canada's role in the movie, and then like the next day they were like, here's keen on the trailer. Yeah. I was surprised at how big his role in this movie was I thought it was going to be like a one and done. You know scene, cameo where he shows. He's a good sport playing himself, but it was an enduring appearance what it made me think of was, oh, this is just marketing for John wick, which is weird because its own its own movie. But it is kind of good publicity for it too. So I don't know. I was just thinking about the way in which net flicks is quote, unquote content, and it might have more insidious tenor to it than some other movies, because it even though while counters playing a version of himself, but it it's so central in the movie, and even though he's playing kind of a bad or pretentious version of himself, it still great for him. And I think it just reignited the internet's. Kiana love and it if it was a marketing move or just kind of strategy about his image seems to have gone pretty well to say that this was a bad version of himself, because I found him, so delightful the movie tells us, he's a jerk through Marcus. I mean he is a jerk. He like very condescending and he like at one point takes Marcus as face in his hands as like can't afford this dinner that we just had which by the way happened to be sixty four hundred dollars. So this is probably going to be a sticking point in this conversation. But I could not stand Marcus as a character. Oh, no. I think that shaped a lot of how I was pro Kanoo. I think that's I think your reaction to Marcus is extremely fair. It's also one of the things I sort of like really wanted to pick out the movie for I liked Marcus. I think I'm sorry, like a hot priest. I know it's hot priest all over again. For those of you who didn't hear. That's a reference to our fleabag. Spoiler special. Listen to it. We our dukes up. We're ready to go. I think Marcus when he was when we find out that, you know, he's gone into the family business. He didn't go to college. He became an h vac specialist, I guess, like he does heating and air conditioning, which is what his dad does when we first found that out. I was kind of, like, oh, brother, but seeing the rap really made me like him, more is very talented musically. Let's, let's back establish the relationship between our two leads in my eagerness to talk about county have jumping on a little bit justified. So this is their rare rom com. That is not set in New York City, which is very refreshing, all the characters do wind up in New York. Eventually a lot of it is that in San Francisco, an Ingo. I know this is. Particularly of interest to you asleep. It's resident San Francisco. Correspondent yeah. San Francisco is a third Asian, and I feel like that aspect of the San Francisco is never depicted in its entirety. So I think the only other movie that like really comes to mind, immediately in terms of, like Asian representation in San Francisco is the movie big hero six, which was I believe, like an adaptation of like a Japanese manga. And also that the version of San Francisco was called San Fran soco, and so it was like very beautiful. Combination of San Francisco, and Tokyo, and like a lot of the character were Asian American. And so that was great, but it was just sort of, but I was like also anatomy that film. And so it's sort of like nice to see all of these to see representations of people that I see literally every single day of my. Life in an actual movie deserving storylines. Right. And it also played in, in a nice way to sort of the stereotypical com. Heroin profession of running a restaurant in that there was cultural specificity to the restaurant in a way that I think is lacking from a lot of rom coms, this movie has some interesting things to say about food. Yes. Which I think we should sort of maybe like talk about the plot. And then we can talk about the food. But, like I think the food politics of this movie is, maybe, not the best, and that's actually, like, my biggest gripe about the movie, they would politics, sort of originate in this introduction that leads up to modern day, two thousand nineteen where we see Marcus and Sasha's friendship starting from when they're very young and how they're trying right there. They're very young. And we see that Sasha's parents are not around. She's alleged key kid and Marcus lives directly next door. And so she goes over there, regularly and. Is almost part of the family. I mean g is on a first name basis with his mom, Judy who plays a big role in their story, even though she's really on screen for a short time, because she dies, but she also teaches her how to cook the cook Korean foods the physically, and, and Sasha. I think avian means character. I thought there was some ambiguity about that my wrong when I was reading up on this, it, it all all the in reviews and just feature said Vietnamese, but I hadn't really you know gotten that impression from movie. But I also wasn't I. Sure. Name, but I think otherwise it's a little vague. I will say that one of the things that I a critic, try not to ding movies for, but also will totally sort of gripe about, like, among my friends in your among friends. Is when like Asian Americans don't play like the ethnicity that they are. And like there's a bunch of reasons why like, it's hard to do, but I think it was sort of nice the Randall park who is Korean played a Korean-American dude. And I think it was nice out like Ali Wong, who's Vietnamese and Chinese play the I think, like the at Meads woman, and so it, it's just like such a small detail, but it's one of those things where like because it doesn't happen very often. It's just nice yet that was a conversation with to all the boys. I've loved before the the lead. I think wasn't Korean but the character is half Korean and so many other movie. There's of the other things wrong with Lovie. Well, I know that movie I love that movie. Yeah. Why do you think that? Like what about that? Do you appreciate though? I mean, I think it's possible that some people are sort of like over thinking it, but I think that what is pretty central to a lot of Asian Americans, especially if you are the child of immigrants, as like I don't think I really had like an identity as like an Asian American until I went to college. And then they took like Asian American courses. I think like aid unto the grew up with, like Korean or Korean American. And so generally, people think of themselves, like in that particular necessary of the post to like this umbrella term, that much more political than it is a personal. And so, I think also, if you are Asian American, and you keep up with pop culture, you tend to keep like a list of like, who else's Korean for example. And so. So I feel like I created like a little like Rando park box in my brain very long time ago. And so it's just one of those things where like, oh, someone that I was rooting for for like a long time who finally like have his thing now. Yeah, I do that with Jewish characters totally. Actors. I mean, this movie is there's lots of talk about in terms of authenticity, which is kind of a loaded term. But it's not just that these are actors playing their specific ethnicity. I mean, they also wrote the script, and I think that, that personal touch that they, you know, they wrote it there. This was their vision, and that they're acting the characters really shows, I think also like sort of their priorities Asian Americans also like you can see it into film. I think that I think like they both went to UCLA which is like heavily Asian-American. And also has a very booming Asia. American studies apartment. They were like in the same Asian American theatre group at UCLA. And so these are people who are like very immersed in that field. And I think one way that comes out in the movie is that Sasha has three love. Interests in the movie. And if you are thinking about this as a possible, green light the project, I can imagine like a network executive saying, like, oh, you need, like a white character in order to make it more relatable. And the fact that all three of her love interests are issue American because alley Wong was like, I really want to show like the desire, ability of like Asian American men in my movie like that's there, because, like that's part of what she wants to do with movie. Yeah. And is there any white character with a substantial role? There's the one lady at her restaurant opening who's, like, yeah, that one late area, much commercial. Coercing, her personality, trait is very much the white lady. Yes. Says she's a sucker for menus printed on receiver. Casey wilson. Okay. The the one who kept talking about the Gooby chairs and she, she designer. Yeah. I wanted to mention the chairs. I, I looked up what they were there. They're like these curvy chairs. So there you go. They're really expensive, right? I looked them up in their designer ones that go for thousands of dollars. Yes, they are quite expensive. It's an upscale restaurant so to, to type back to the plot. So then pulled. Okay. So we meet the most kids, and then we see that they spend their childhood together. And then when Roundell parks characters mother dies when they're eighteen yes. And they're playing themselves as like gawky teenagers at this point. So Eliane has like fake braces in. So when that happens to comfort him Allie, Wong, kisses him, and it turns into them having sex in the back of his car, and it it gets awkward for them. And then we skip ahead to the present time. And the presumption is that they haven't really talked. In the meantime, before we skip ahead. They have a big fight in a Burger King. Yeah. Who among us? All sequence because I understanding is that this whole sequence took place in one night. There was the maybe not a funeral but there were mourning for his mother and then they had sex in his car, and then they had a friendship ending fight that caused them to not speak for sixteen years. That's a lot to absorb in a very short amount of time. Yes. And I think like the character development angle of this is that basically his mom died, and he's really upset. But because she's this latchkey kid whose parents work at, like a convenience store, like every single hour of the day, she feels like she sort of lost a mother figure to her and basically Marcus like I don't even know like while you're that upset like it's not your mom. He just feels possessive over his mother and doesn't want to share her in this in that way at this moment, use lashing out. Yes, I think one of the flaws of. This opening is that some of the scenes might have been better suited to flashbacks later in the movie because we go, very quickly from establishing this kind of homey, routine between the two of them where they almost have this sibling like chemistry and then we see just sort of flashes of you know, they're at school together. There's arm punching and we go right to eighteen mom dies have sex big blow up fight. I just had trouble nailing down the chemistry between the two of them to explain like, what it is necessarily that is causing this attraction, because to me they, they had such a sibling, like bond that. The kiss in the car was awkward, and they didn't really have any time to explore that because after that they don't speak for sixteen years. I think I know where you're coming from, but I also feel like they're teenagers going through like a really intense emotional reaction. And so. So I was like like that. Sounds about right to me like it's just like a terrible stupid thing to do your sort of, like what to do with my, bringing my body to just try this thing. I mean short life. But I as this is not life. This is. And I feel like they really could have built up the connection because when the to do finally see each other. Again, after sixteen years, I did not get any spark of, oh, rekindled attraction. I just got this very awkward scenario. So. I will say that so much of the movie obviously, depends on like the chemistry between the lead actors and they did not feel like they really had a lot of chemistry. I think the hell like a really great like bling chemistry, but they did not have sexual chemistry to me, and I think it was like fine because it's not like a super duper sexy movie but it was one of like the parts of the movie that was a letdown for me. Yeah. I would agree with that. I think Allie long's character had more chemistry with Kano reefs. I mean, everyone has more coming. Oh, so who alley Wong is dating Daniel day? Kim, he's hot in the present. Where we're prepared for another hotness fight, and he's sort of an entrepreneur manager restaurant of her restaurant and other restaurants. So they worked together, and he's, she says he's older than her. She says he's fifty at one point. But they the, the deal with them is that they kind of they you, like they're working together professionally in it's great for their careers, but they don't really like each other have much in common, and we see them sitting in a car going home from some of that, and they're just sitting really far away and both on their phones. Yeah. I thought this movie really underutilized Daniel, they say that, too. I thought their relationship so they're engaged. But then all of a sudden, he decides he wants to go do any pre Lovin India, which is not really fair. That's what they say in the movie, but he's the restaurant tour. So it's not wholly unreasonable that he would wanna do something like that. He wants like a run spring of. Right. He the way he presents. It is a will be a part for six months, and we'll see other people and he springs, it on Sasha in a way that is not great. But otherwise, I thought it was like they have a mutually beneficial relationship, and she didn't seem all that emotionally invested either. And I thought this was going to be like the undercurrent of the movie that Sasha is engaged technically and she can see other people, and she's exploring, and that's going to be the question is like, oh, does she decide to get married? But she actually breaks off the engagement on her own really early. Yes. She sees pictures of him with Padma Lakshmi and away. That sort of speaks to her character, where she sort of this, like not that I would know what any of the flag buzz. She's sort of sharp personality. She has a lot of elbows. And so when she gets pissed she just kind of blows up at him, and it's in the trailer like the scene, where like she just sort of yells of him continually. But that was a really fun moment where she just sort of a wish is upon him a series of really terrible things to happen to them. And turns out everyone can see her yelling at him. She has a lot of moments like that in the movie, I particularly like, anytime. A character says bitch. They have a few different ways of. No. It's they're always like, oh, when at the end of the movie when Randall park, walks into the fancy store. He's like step aside bitch. Anyway, let's get back to you. Well, I did not understand what the function of this engagement was supposed to be that it was broken off so early. Just the day came in the movie. I mean listen, I'm complaining, theoretically, the contrast between the two characters would be, what would be interesting in the love triangle? Instead they dismiss him. And they bring in Kiato, which is a totally different dynamic and raises. There's, there's less of a question of issue, choosing between this guy who's beneficial for her career, but with whom she doesn't have like a genuinely loving relationship or this childhood best friend, who has resurfaced and loves her for her. I was missing that he has a girlfriend of his own to character. She is this sort of hippie with dreadlocks, and who, you know, is at bleeding-heart like want all these liberal causes. She works with children and she's Asian. In as well. Which I think is probably another thing that they did on purpose because they want to show, you know, all different types of Asian people. Okay. So this was my big question about that character. There's a scene where like she already knows that they had dated or were friends and basically that Sasha, Marcus dated. Yes. And she is super honored to have social very big celebrity chef come to her house, and eat her food, and of course, also, but she sort of like lies and this girlfriend is like very, very happy. So my question is, was she serving spaghetti and sausages with the spaghetti skewer through the sausage, not noticed the she likes? She definitely was. And they have that at that fast that Filipino fast only. Yeah. They have that. Air. So, okay. I feel like it was very important because it is a certainly a choice, and if that was her food choice. That's a lot about that character where I will leave. I thought that was supposed to say like this woman, you know, lives on her own planet and giving like this weird food to a professional chef and just, you know, has no sense of normal, like politeness. I did love the fact that like Marcus and thought after you leave the girlfriend sort of go on, like extended riff of house. She has dreads and how you got Asian hair to have. I will note that I think drugs were also a really big thing and like India, thousands of years ago. However, the question of texture. Right as opposed to is culturally. That's the way I took that comment. Can they reveal something truly discussing? Yes. When I was like six there was like a period where like it was right after I was allowed to brush, by O'Hare. But also I could not be bothered to press my own hair, Audi. I know where it's going, I with, like dread, sort of like in the back of my head, and I didn't brush my hair for weeks and weeks. So just like kept on growing. So I know that Asian people are totally able to have dren. However, I did enjoy this joke quite a bit. I hope no listens to. And he also makes joke about how she sleeps bottomless, like a sexy Asian when either. This movie was so dippy. Yeah. I think for me this movie worked, best as a comedy and less as a romance. Yes. Because it is genuinely funny, and I love Eliahu stand up. And I feel that you really get her Umer in here and that irreverence and the willingness to say what is out there? I do like the love interest for both of them that they both have someone at various points because it really does match nicely with the idea that this is a Harry met Sally kind of thing and that the timing is wrong. The movie itself doesn't follow them as adults as much as you know, when Harry met Sally in various periods of dating with too many love interest. But I appreciate it that at least as sort of a thematic connection. Yeah. When I first saw the when Harry met Sally comparison in that, that, that movie was specifically part of the inspiration that sort of made me realize, oh, that's what they were going for it because to be honest. When I saw the title, always be my, maybe I thought it was going to be more of like an on again, off again thing lake was he always her. Maybe I mean debatable. Right. I think I also went in with that same expectation and was surprised that they had this period of time where they didn't talk for, for a reason as opposed to losing touch. This message is brought to you by hotels dot com. Every day, thousands of people booked trips on hotels dot com that you will later hate like on social media. 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Paul machine. I thought that was actually pretty hard. When I first heard them say, Netflix on the show, I rolled my eyes because Netflix does do this a lot on its own shows. But I mean Allie long has been a boon for them, she's done stand up. She did to birdie. I thought it was fine to be self-referential there. I enjoyed it. So basically, she is catering this events. She's not having the best time, and then I thought the way that the shot that's so great because you see her in close up, and then you sort of like see a hand go to her shoulder and say something like I'm sorry like we're you the genius who did all of us, or something along those lines. And then you see her turnaround as she may just like the most surprised happy, faith, and the cuts. And then you find out later when Sasha proposes a double date between markets on its grow friend, and basically, Sasha and her new man that it is done done. Kion new and his walk on is, is majestic. I loved that part where he has like the wind machine on him or whatever. They just make him look like this beautiful apparition walking in. Did you notice what song was playing as what was it? It's sale by a wall nation, which I only mentioned specifically because I had heightens the drama of his entrance, but also fleabag use the same song. Oh, very different kind of seeing where where flags on the, the tube and all the way in the first season. I've total that in little bursts. It's a surreal scene for fleabag, but just totally to go from that, to this, totally played for comedy moment, which is cut between the slow motion reactions of Marcus on his girlfriend, and then just can't oh being to like around the restaurant, I run the interview about, like how they got on because like I think that's like a really big part of the always maybe industrial complex right now. And essentially, they were talking about how they convinced him to this movie, and like it was like a big meeting like the shuttle month, which is like a big celebrity hotspot in LA, and basically, like everyone at the meeting was like, yes, that's exactly how keen on him, like move into the room, which I thought was like great. So now I'm just imagining him doing that. Walk like all the time. Time. But he comes in, and he has sees like giant black plastic glosses. And then I think it was like market, who is like, oh, nice classes and cannons Ono like these are not real glasses. They don't even have the lenses and, and then sort of like pokes fingers through the lenses, and then they do they have the psych meal that, like I don't even know if I heard half of the dialogue, because there were only three people at my screening, and we were all so like cackling loudly. That, like we drowned out deflect the three of us like the dialogue and the thing. But I did catch that, like one of the dishes, that can order four four to table is like something that plays with the concept of time, and then there's like another dish has to be accompanied with headphones. So you can hear the same dash. Eating it. Yeah. Yeah. It was very much a take on sort of hoity toity rich, experimental food. I can't to me was the source of all of the comedy of the scene because the other stuff like the no lenses in your glasses Ghostbusters. Made that joke with Chris Hemsworth, the hoity toity restaurant stuff. I mean, parks and rec skewered that really well with the nightclub where it's like the whiskey is served as a lotion, and the vodka served as a flash of light. So I didn't think that necessarily carried the scene as much as the performances of everyone involved. I know what you're saying. I think Kiana does particularly well with that, that sort of thing because his persona is that he's, I don't even know how to say it, like, yes of person. I think it's not that he's blue but maybe like spiritual and kind of believes in but not in a hippie way like in a transcendental. Eliza way or something like you expect him to be into kind of weird stuff to me. It was just a general sense of larger than life. But I mean, earlier we talked about is this a bad self lamp winning portrayal I think he is making fun of himself. But I think it was bad by any means. I mean he's ridiculous. And outlandish but this takes us back again, to what you think of Marcus and Sasha. And whether you think Marcus is a good match for show because to me, I mean count to coming in and saying, oh, who is this genius who organized, this event is such a contrast with Marcus, who is so down on her career consistently. And then I thought like one really big flaw in this movie is at, like, as we're getting these, like crazy dishes. I think the main courses like an all black dish, and it just looks like a dead squid, but, like not like in the good desk with way, like a dense quiz. Let's sort of like sitting on a plate for like three weeks away. And then at the end Marcus is like, oh, I'm sorry. Can we get like a monochromatic burrito because like I'm so hungry? But I felt like a big flaw in this scene is that we never see what sausa- thinks of all of the food, and like all of these. I mean you can call them for tensions or you can call them like attempts at artistry however failed. And so if this is her job, and Kiana was, like, really into it, like on the one hand gather. But like on the other hand, I don't know what she makes all of this, and so, basically, they moved from the restaurant to I think he on his hotel room and I don't understand how you think Kiana is a good guy because then he almost immediately tries to get Marcus to him for me. This was like a really great, send up of that type of rich guy, who was like almost soon numb to everything. All he wants is experience. So he feels something and like that extends to him telling Marcus like, oh, why don't you just punch me because, you know what I want to experience fullness of life, or whatever first of all, I, he breaks vase over. Sky's the real deal. This was not an empty time. He wanted to be punched. Yeah, I understand what you're coming that. He wanted to be punched, as, like a thing in, like the good, qualities pile. I just want you to be aware of your life. He's authentic. And Marcus is so scared to the point of selfishness, where he's holding back his band by refusing movie. Yeah. But the but what is Sasha getting out of this relationship other than as in the climax of the movie when finally Marcus gets off his ass does something big in romantic, while interrupting of major moment in her life, which we'll get to basically, all he has to offer is, I'll hold your purse, which is supposed to be him, overcoming sort of this. I don't know inferiority complex, or whatever it is that made him insecure to do that. But just I just don't understand what she's getting from him beyond like a nest. Aljic familiarity, and the memory of his family and on that sense of belonging because in this scene to that doesn't kiono that doesn't change that he's an asshole in the scene. And I think it builds, like I just enthrall of him, but it gets worse and worse until eventually, he's punching Marcus. But I was Canada in this scene. Do something shows are was being a jerk too and sorry. But the thing is, like when Marcus and Sasha, finally decide like they have had enough with us crazy nights and they are going to be called in Uber. Kiana call some an Uber pool. That's true. I'm not saying Canada was like a, a good choice. I, I'm just saying that compared to Marcus as a character. I understood the appeal more to just talk about the, the real Kia, new versus the movie Cano. I think anytime a character agrees to parody themselves. You know, were supposed to see that as like, oh, what a guy the they'll even parody themselves so Menchie, but and like it it's like Neil, Patrick Harrison, the howled in Kumar, go to white castle movie or in don't trust the b an apartment twenty three James vanderbeek. So it always ends up being just like this rich guy, who you know, is very full of himself. So I think some of that kind of nonspecific like I was trying to talk about how Kiana was specifically satirizing himself in people's view of him. As that guy that says woe allot. But, but I think some of it just got to, like, generic rich asshole, I think a little bit. I think they've definitely did lean on this sort of spiritual stuff with sword at one point that very well could be it says a lot about this character that we wouldn't be sure I did not realize until now the connection that always be my maybe has to don't trust the b in the -partment forty twenty three twenty three which is that TV show was created by the notch kind some true, good point. And I love that. They, they did get her to direct this, because a lot of people in Hollywood talk a big game about how representation matters. But they actually hired a female director of color. They didn't just, you know, talk about it or they, they wrote it. But they still ended up hiring white man. I think that's important. Well, I mean be it's interesting that they brought all of these, like elements from fresh off the boat because she cruised the show and Randall park stars in and Eliane youth. Right for it and briefly appeared on it. If I recall correctly in sort of a one episode appearance, it's a Sino. Let's get back to that, let's get back to that Uber pool which we actually don't know as Newburgh pool at first because it's just the tune of extra. Oh, yes, in the back seat park Marcus's girlfriend stays behind because. She is still in love with Yano, or that, that dispenses with her basically. Yeah. That was convenient. All of their relationship is five months old. I guess she was a strange character because a few scenes earlier, she was saying how she and Marcus were spiritually married. I guess they were trying to show that she's flaky, but I took her sincere and sort of her philanthropic efforts. No, it was complete bullshit. Was it yet? Oh, all right now, I don't think it was because the thing she says about kiono is that I mean, maybe a little was, but she talks about how he can make such a difference in the world. And that's why in the who would you kill in this room question. She says her own boyfriend because she can get something from kiono, and that, that something I think the do. Oh my goodness. No. She. She wants good with his with his his riches and. Yeah, some of it might be also that she wants the div, okay? I have a question. So say you dating a guy for five months, and then an opportunity is presented to you where you can get the from Keanu. Do you go for it is the guy Marcus because then, yeah, no it's just so you wouldn't just who I would date, I might say, I don't know. This is very uncomfortable, introspection Heather, I also don't answer this. Why? What about you? And you Kiana all the way baby. Back to. Oh, so they're. I think. The Sasha character sort of comes over to Markus side and saying, you know, kiono he was a little bit much. And then they're fighting a little bit about how he, he has a band, and he won't turn it into a bigger thing. He so content to be small time, and she, you know, her, she's so pretentious with her restaurant, terse stuff, why can't she just be herself? And then that turns into a kiss, and this kiss parallels. Their original first kiss in that the first time alley on kisses him, and then apologizes and then he kisses her. That's when they're they're teenagers, and this time he kisses her and then apologizes and she goes in for it. This to me exemplified, a lot of the problems, I have with the central relationship in that it was doing the rom com thing where the two leads argue, and our theoretically calling. Each other on their shit, which is all very well. And good. And I enjoy those as much as anyone the problem is that nothing Marcus said resonated for me. One of the things he says, is that Sasha keeps winding up with these guys who aren't good for her. But Sasha already dumped the fiancee, who wasn't good for her and already walked out on Kiani when he got ridiculous. So that really didn't seem to be calling her out on anything. She seems well aware that both of those guys were not good for her and then his other criticism has to do with her career. And I think another major flaw of this movie is that the movie ends without ever, there being a scene where he does go to her restaurant at one point, but he doesn't sit and have a meal at the restaurant, she's already established a week. We can't afford it. The owner. But I'm just saying, like, we don't actually know if his criticisms of harass toront- are true. And neither does he like we know a little bit from the decor, Gooby chairs the other thing. But that's not coming from Alan Wong for the most part, that's coming from the people around her and her team, I would have liked to establish, whether she had actually sold out or if she just had a legitimately business that she put herself into. And that's what he's been mocking this whole time. Yeah. I think the movies perspective is that he's a little bit right? But I think that's interesting in that this movie tries to be very. Politically, correct. In saying that Sasha's going to be the one with the career and the way this is going to end. Is that it's fine that, you know, she's going to be the more prominent one who makes more money. But are they trying to take her down a peg a little bit in that? Because you, you do see, like oh, maybe Marcus is just kind of shitty like there is also a line, I think where he says, like Asian food is like supposed to be like this, and then he likes names like a bunch of things. I forget exactly what it something like big portions, and like everyone. Oh, yeah. Big ball yet, and like everyone should got to have some like it shouldn't be a tiny shot glass because they earlier in the movie that something out of a tiny shack last. But crucially, it's not Sasha's restaurant. Yes. And like at like earlier in the movie, she had the scribe aid like her new restaurant, which have got saintly fair, and it was going to be like. Trans nomination fusion, the food. I don't know just meaningless I think, ended transgressive she has that whole scene where she's the phone and Marcus. And one of the only good chemistry moments, I felt in the whole movie between the two of them. He calls her out on her phone voice, which has someone who speaks completely differently on the phone, then I do day to day life, although maybe I speak differently on podcast. I don't know who can be that self aware, but he's making fun of her phone and her friend. We haven't even mentioned her obligatory rom com best friend, Michelle Baotou played her probably say last night. Veronica, who's heavily pregnant for much of the movie and his gay another sort of progressive also grew up with them. Apparently, though, you don't see her as a kid, you see her very briefly in a scene and the middle school where they're eating lunch. I actually didn't make the connection it was her first few ING, but I went back, and she is sitting with them, it's sort of throw away, but it's. A good detail to include. But so she walks in after they've had this argument about the phone voice, and Sasha. Trying to be clever is like, oh, goodbye. Or Tata or something? She turns him, she says, don't use your phone voice on me. That was another good bitch. So going back to the food stuff. I think that like, essentially like the resolution of this movie ends with, like her eventually opening a new restaurant, like after the one that she opens San Francisco caught saintly fair and turns out, it's a Korean restaurant using recipes that she learned from markets, as mom and named after her to it's called, judy's through these way. Yeah. Basically, there's like a dish that we see, like at the beginning of the movie where Judy teaches Sasha how to make it, and then that sort of like the dish that sausa- shows Marcus as like a sign that like, okay, like now, I'm coming back to my roots, which are like a hundred percent her roots, but she had already planned this restaurant before Marcus came on the scene. Oh, no. She didn't you're like no. She had an incoming up in New York did and in real life, she would have. But. Were we can just? I did not take this as her responding to his criticism says. Yes. You're a too literal. So. On the food politics. I wanted to recommend a piece our former colleague Genzyme wrote on eater dot com. That is about the, you know, the authenticity versus not authenticity debate, and how it sort of boxes other cultures into a corner with, with what seen Israel, and I, I think it is a really interesting question, and one of this movie's blind spots, and then more specifically when you tell non white cooks or chefs like you have to make this particular type of food, and you have to make authentic than that doesn't give them the creativity to play around, which is sort of what I think a lot of like, foodie culture is about, like trying new flavor profiles on such an so Marcus telling her like, actually make like the food that like my mom made in the real Asian. It's not great like it's problematic. And I think in. Five years, people are going to be like, whoa. This movie was cute. I like canoe believe there is an unevenness to in that Sasha performs two grand romantic gestures for markets. She buys all of his bands, Merck under a fake name. And also, she opens the restaurant. Which I just I don't understand what the reciprocation. I said, so many times he tried out. He agreed to try out for this bigger venue with his band, southeast after bungling, I dish in and showing up drunk, I m paying on an 'em. It wasn't seen. I did not believe by the way. I don't know why like every movie feels like it has to have like a PC or a bar scene, which is worse or better. And also, we knew him as a stone or not at drunk, so shouldn't he have done something with that here, I think, is where the movie tried to redeem him. But for me to meet me all the way in that I didn't really understand the psychology of exactly. Why Marcus was so stuck after his mother's death for such a long time beyond grief, just generally like was he stuck because he associates, his neighborhood and his life with his mom. And he feels that moving on would be to forget, her is he is it just that he never grew up, and he's sort of eternally eighteen for me. They didn't really it was implied but they didn't really nail it down. And in the scene with his father when his father's like I don't need a caregiver. You need to go live your life. I just wish they had nail that down a little bit more for. Me for me, it was pretty satisfying. I think there's like a whole running theme, where Marcus is like, sort of increasingly angry at, like the I don't know if whitening right word, but, like sort of like the hipster fixation of San Francisco. And there's like a whole thing where like he does like a big rant about, like all of these, like hipster bars that sort of look alike, constantly opening up in San Francisco. And they think the implication is like the more of these places that open up the harder. It is for sort of, like immigrant neighborhoods like his to stay alive. And so for me the fact that like only wanted to play at the flag one club. That was like in his neighborhood. Like for me. I made sense for me. If the movie had ended with him making a case furred being content with that one club. I think it would have been stronger than him. What's narrowing reasons that are unclear. To me. I again, I don't understand was this him getting over his mother's death that he moves on it, it's just very medal. I think that Sasha actually had a much more interesting sense of closure and. Oh, no, no, no. I disagree with you there go on. Even though she repairs things with her parents a little bit. She doesn't address her her anger at being left alone, which like is still really there. So her parents agreed to or. What happens is her parents, go to her restaurant, and they pay full price. They don't even say that. They know her, and she she's so proud that they actually did that and ate her food, and we're willing to buck, their, their usual cheapness, but that doesn't make up for her being left alone. But instead, at least start toward, repairing the relationship I don't think it was intended to heal everything with one meal, but it was them showing up when they hadn't shown up. I mean, they showed up earlier in the movie, and she kind of dismissed them, but I mean, what did Marcus ever do for her, Heather? Wait. Let's try to figure this out like what does Marcus to for her? I think like Marcus make sense of these some bull. But now I'm coming around to Morrison king in that, like what, what did he concrete lead, do even even in the speech where he finally gets a suit and because the first time that he goes with her to invent? He wears a t shirt, because she told him, you know, rich people aren't into suits anymore. Fair enough. Then he has to wear this awful coat that is the only one that the venue has where the man died and size. So he he's standing at this really formal event where Sasha is, you know, guest, if honor and walks the red carpet, and he's holding her purse, and he looks ridiculous. And she still turns in front of all of the cameras and points to him and says, that's my boyfriend. Yeah. And he is very offended because she calls Moore guy but he's worked really hard to be a regular guy. He's, he's clinging to being a regular guy. I just don't get this. She has a great. Dress in that scene. By the way, she does then later when he comes back in a suit and seems, you know, to sort of, embrace, actually supporting her, which incidentally, both of those other two crappy boyfriends did support her career county Daniel day Kim, he finally comes around to that. And his whole speech was about I wanna do this. I want to do this, I wanna hold your. Yeah. It was very like, why you like couldn't anyone. Well, she had a crush on him when they marry leg heterosexual girl guide, therefore must lie to bar for men. Yeah. This movie a lot by. I just I think the work plot, which most good romantic comedies. Have a solid work plot was so much more. Interesting to me that I almost wish the romance had been the beast story, and it had focused more on Sasha and her family and what it is. She ons and coming to terms with. Her food and making food on her own terms. I guess you could argue that he reconnects her with her roots like maybe she wouldn't have made up to the extent that she did with her parents, if, if Marcus didn't pay for that. But that's a stretch markets have any interaction with. With what with her? Yeah. I don't know if he's ever been met. I don't. And there there's like a montage where they're having fun around San Francisco. And he sees the statue. And he goes boop. So he does. He does boop to nipple I leave guy. I apologize by the way on behalf of all heterosexual. Heterosexuality of maybe I don't mean a single movie out specifically, but it was notable to me that. A lot of writers who are smart and progressive and thoughtful on race and gender. And sexuality give no thought to disability, and that only occurred to me in this movie because there's a throwaway line about how many people in San Francisco have placards for parking, even then Sasha's, and they along lines of, and then they're walking around they're able bodied. This is a very common gripe. Okay. Among disabled people because not all disabilities are visible. And there are plenty of disabilities that aren't evident by looking at someone that would require a parking placard. I know this was supposed to establish like San Francisco bona fides, but just a such a strange line. And it kind of stuck out to me. So I have a possible rebuttal, this is like based on the feeling and not like facts. All right. Donald trump. This to me. I saw this criticism allot on Twitter. And I don't feel like this joke is on people with disabilities. I think this joke is like. Based on like how I perceive that like in sausa- few Chinese American people faking disability in order to get those placards, and it is a serious type that I have never come across, but they're in, like a very Asian neighborhood. And the whole scene is sort of like them coming out of, like dim sum restaurant. And I feel like she was saying something about, like, Chinese American people. And Elliott's a person who grew up in San Francisco. And so that's I feel like the reading that I would have. Right. And I understand that. I'm just also just in a movie that is making such an effort to be inclusive and other ways it struck the wrong chord with me, just because it is such a common experience for people with invisible disabilities to be accused of. Faking it for good parking. I dunno Rummy the wrong way just to rebut to a little bit more. I don't know if that is what she was going for, in terms of, sort of, like making fun of the scammers. But if that is the case, I actually really liked that joke because I feel like so much of this movie is about like having all of these very specific Asian American cultural touchstones, like there's like a whole, like emphasis on characters like coming into the house, and like taking off their shoes or there's, like plastic on the furniture and that an Asian thing, my grandma does. I don't think it's only a nation thing. Eight some Asians thing, and there were definitely like, I think like the big dish that sort of like ties in like all of the movie together, as I came to get with, like a thing that I have eaten like a million times. And so for me like it's nice to have like all of these. Psych little cultural details. But it's also sort of like nice for Asian Americans to be able to make fun of Asian Americans at to like, not sort of, like put themselves on the pedestal and sort of. And so, like, that's what I thought like the joke was doing. I buy that doesn't explanation. I still think it was perhaps, less considered than some of the other areas. But I, I do that explanation. Thank you. You've eased my mind a little bit. I was also wondering what you guys think of all the jokes about Asian-Americans being cheap. I saw at least one review that was appalled at this. But I saw that in a similar way where it was Allie. Wong, Randall park feeling like they could poke fun at their own or stereotypes in their own community? Yeah. I that, that writer who was a gun like cut never met a nation. Oh, so we like the rapid the end. Yes. All of as much as I've been down on Marcus entire podcast. I love all of his wraps, and I do in fact, think he is talented. Do you think that the rap makes up for his shitting and therefore the rap makes him a good partner for Sasha? No. There's something admirable about him, staying loyal to his bandmates after all these years is he's hold him back. Very vocally want to do more. Okay. You know there's a point to you. I also thought the rap was very specific. Like when I first heard he was a rapper I was like, oh, no. But then, like, maybe it's the San Francisco specific thing, where it was also kind of San Francisco repor strap like that. I don't know. It it just I, I was surprised by how much I liked it. I would listen to punch canneries on the radio. No question. The name of the phone, I believe that is the name of the final song that plays over the credits. I thought all of his were good. I thought the ban was great didn't kill the tennis ball song that has long was fine. And obviously, they were trying to I love, there's a shot of a Google search on his computer. That's what color is a tennis ball. That I guess, maybe 'cause it's random that this band member decides that they're going to do tennis balls. And so, I guess they write the song around that, but I did wonder if also it was they were trying to do a play on the name of the ban, which is Hello peril, which is a play on yellow peril. Oh, really? I don't know. I always thought they were green think of them is screen. You know, some, some of the jokes in this movie didn't land, and I forgive it. I thought it was extraordinarily funny. Yeah. It was very funny. And like I did not think that they were like great dramatic actors which goes back to what we were talking about how the romance as gullible tepid, but they are both. Comedians, and it is an incredibly funny script, and the it is up early. I guarantee if you see it, you will probably want to on your laptop alone, and still laugh out loud, that is a promise. I feel I can confidently make I will say for it that, I think it in the pantheon of net flicks, romantic comedies. It is toward the top. It's one of the better ones for sure. Well, I think that the net flicks rom com sort of get pegged, as like middling, and that has been, my impression of some of them. What was that set? It up was kinda an and the someone great, but I this was like an actual movie. Right. As opposed to was a lot of these Netflix from calms feel like which is a TV movie. This felt like a big mainstream picture, which perhaps is why they showed it in theaters to critics. I a lot of Netflix that crazy NDA, right? A lot enough movies critics can watch from the comfort of their laptop. But I'm interested in that you saw it in theaters. And you know, you were all laughing together, and there was that communal experience because I watched it at home by myself, and I did not experience that, but I am enjoying talking to the two of you about it very much you laugh out loud. I did not. I'm not a big Leifer when you and Heather say, funny, things would think. Thank you note, the Mariah Carey thing, or is it just like I don't care. Okay. I it has no connection to the title of this movie has no medical experts. Again. I like the. Aided Marcus like the movie. Okay. Well, I did not see this movie theater, but I am thrilled to have the same sense of community by talking to both of you. Thank you. You're welcome. Thanks, thanks. Thanks bit. Please subscribed. Spoiler special podcast feed. And if you like the show, please rate review it in the apple podcast store, or wherever you get your podcast. If you have suggestions for movies, or TV shows, we should spoil or if you have any other BAC you'd like to share send it to spoilers athlete dot com. Our producer is Daniel Hewitt, and our engineer is merit. Jacob, thanks listening.

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'Always Be My Maybe': When Randall Met Ali

The Frame

25:53 min | 2 years ago

'Always Be My Maybe': When Randall Met Ali

"From the Mon broadcast center at KPCC. This is the frame. I'm John horn on today's show now that the William Morris endeavor talent agency, has filed to take it self public. We get a rare look inside the belly of a Hollywood beast and Randall park, and Allie Wong co wrote and starred in the Netflix movie always be my maybe Wong who's mostly been a stand up. Comedian plays a celebrity restaurant tour kink when you're a chef that does this like tacky food. It's kind of like being a hacky comic right? Like doesn't taste good. Even though it looks nice whatever. And it's like funny, even though it sells tickets all that coming up on the frame. Allie Wong, Randall park have been friends since college and Wong wrote for fresh off the boat, the ABC sitcom that park stars in for years, they talked about making a romantic comedy together and a twenty sixteen profile of long in the New Yorker. She described it as our version of, when Harry met Sally now that idea has become a reality Wong and park's star in the Netflix movie always be my maybe, and they co wrote the screenplay with Mike ogm co when Wong and park. Stop by the frame studios. She explained how the idea for always be my maybe came together, we hadn't talked about it in detail, and it wasn't until, you know, a little bit before I did that interview that a distinctly remember Randall saying, you know, we should we should really do this at the time I was writing on fresh off the boat, and I hadn't spent that much time acting. Well, I had acted on camera. A lot of people didn't know me as an. Actress and I thought Randall meant when he when he said, we should really do this. I thought he meant, you know, I want you to an eye to write a starring vehicle for me to do a rom com with, like Anne Hathaway or something. And then he was like, no, I think we should star in it, and we should write it together. That's very sweet. Yeah. Not in Hatheway alley or van Hatheway is unavailable alley. Well, no. Yeah. I mean I I've known alley for so long. I've always known. She was a great actress on top of everything else that she does so great. And it was, you know, we're, we're close friends and my dream has always to work with my friends. So it was something that I really would have loved to have happened. But I didn't expect it to kind of half in the way it did from that New Yorker article, yeah. That kind of caught fire right? I mean how long did it take to actually come together? I mean, it's three years later, but in Hollywood time, that's actually not that slow. Well after that article got picked after that section of the article got picked up by all these other outlets. We both got inundated with calls from just different people in the industry and studios. And there was just a lot of interest for the script, and we didn't have a script. Log line. Yeah. We had nothing. So what's worse have interest in the script that doesn't exist or have a script that exists that has no interest? I mean it the position we were in very unique and we feel really lucky have been Netflix took it off the table right away. What was the movie that you wanted to get made? What was the story that was important you because scripts go through Lucians people have notes, you know, what was the core thing that you wanted to make sure you preserved? I mean, we had always talked about, like our when Harry met Sally. It's a it's a movie that we both loved, but we wanted to incorporate our parts of us as much of us, you know, in our lives in it as possible, and just kind of tell a, an authentic romantic comedy. What does that mean authentic? Is that athetics your lives to your culture authentic to who you are? Because there's so many different ways authentic, our, our experiences and in our lives. I don't know. I guess with the question of authenticity, it, it's really hard for me to talk about it. But it just kind of all comes down to instinct, right? So it's like, for example, for that meal in the beginning that young, Sasha. My character makes for herself where it's like spam and rice, and fully cocky, it's like I didn't make a movie to be like, I wanna make movie with offending food moments. You know. But when it came down to talk to props about what that would look like it's like, well, this is what feels right? You know, these are the clothes that feel right? This is the girlfriend says the dad that feels rate, you know, and I guess, because we care about authentic city all of that will will come through when it comes down to the decision but we don't. Yeah. We first and foremost for me. At least I just wanted to make a movie with my friends that tells a great story. You know all those details that, that speak to our desire to, like, have authenticity. Just it, it just comes through, hopefully in a natural authentic way. But it's important to note that the spam is sliced. Exactly right. Very even and then the rice when you play your rice for your own meal, that nobody is watching you put it in ram akin an invert it. So it's actually looks like it's in a restaurant, it's a form, so it might be rice and spam. But it's presented us, if it were in a restaurant, and that's specific to her character and showing how she has a love of presentation of food from the very beginning, you know, and that's not like necessarily like an Asian American growing up in San Francisco thing, that's a Sasha thing. Right. But there's also this detail about, do you slice food with scissors or do you chop it with a knife. Which is a cultural thing in terms of how people present. Food chop food. Right. It's funny because those things when we wrote them at they didn't mean that much to me, your carry that much weight. But now, we're hearing people like I love the part. The part where the take off their shoes when they go in the house and carry the shoes, and they put the shoes back on, when I go to the backyard. We're like, okay. Okay. Those were things that we were like, okay. We got to have a scene where they're cutting. It wasn't bad. But it was like, we had a scene, where the mom is cooking. And how, how does the mom cook? Well, my mom cooked like this. Okay. That makes sense. You know, that's how I think that's how those kind of authentic moments made their way into the movie, but in some cases, and certainly in Hollywood history, those moments are often incredibly hard to preserve that there is such a bias to take any story that might be authentic to a certain group of people and make it white. I mean all the way around the story that everybody that third default mechanism. That's why it's so important people focus way too. When the question comes about like diversity focus way too much on the talent on camera, you know. And it's like I think people really have to be paying attention, more caring more about the people behind the camera because when you have people from diverse perspectives behind the camera, it's like it's not this battle, then it's like, what more can you add to the scene to make it feel more real and it's? Not this like, well, they should be wearing shoes in the house. Or, you know, I want her to be eating a hamburger, something like that to me more mainstream. I mean it's just it's just easy. That would have been so weird. Coming up on the frame, more my conversation with Alli Wong and Randall park co stars of the new film, always be my maybe. Moment. In another less. That's you would be. Let's get back to my conversation with Alli Wong and Randall park or the code writers and co-stars of the new romantic comedy, always be my. Maybe my relooking backseat. I Cairo actresses. I know turn look backseat. We had sex back there. Well, that's why you're looking back there. And just calling you out on it. What do you think? Seeing it after all these years. It might be even smaller and grocer than I remember you better Sobe talking about my backseat when park and one came by to discuss. Always be my. Maybe we talked about when their friendship began, and it was through a comedy and theatre group that park started in college called L, C C. It was an Asian American theater company at UCLA we wanted to kind of put our play we wrote plays and wanted to have him perform. So we started this theater company and then just kind of kept going, and then after I graduated is, when Allie, joined the theater company and it was, I think, through those friends that we, eventually met and became friends and realize, we had a very similar outlooks on on, on comedy and just vied really, really well. So, so, yeah, that the company was a big part of well, huge part of my life, and, and, and definitely a part of our friendship early on. Yeah. It was. I mean, because the thing about that theater company was that we had to every quarter we had to write direct and like producer own shows. So we had to do the tech and everything. So it already kind of made me really oppr- like I think everyone wanted to come to the theatre group to just be funny on stage and make people laugh. But it's like, hey you have to design flyers. You have to pass out you have to like do lighting, cues and stuff to, like, not everyone gets to just be funny and have all the funny lines. Some people have to be the straight man or something. And so having that, like, well rounded appreciation for everything that goes in to like a successful comedic performance was huge. Because then when I started doing stand up it was like people found it so overwhelming to like put on their own stand up show or something to me. I was like, oh, this is this is easy. We don't have costumes. We don't have props. There's no lighting cues like, we just have to rent it, you know, it was, I think that was that was really. We really valuable when you're doing stand up, you know, a joke is working or not. You can hear the audience either laughing or silent when you're writing and writing with Randall on this movie. How do you know if something's funny? How what is your test about whether or not it works? Well, again, it's like a lot of instinct. Right. So it's, it's like the first the first line is like do we find it funny and then we had multiple table reads, you know, we put on a table read early on early on before the Knoxville was brought on. We had a table, revert, Earl, and we rented out this office space in Culver city, and had a bunch of friends do so big favor. Come in gave them Amazon gift cards afterwards and. And so and learned a lot from that table read, but those table reads are. So it's like you know, at fresh off the boat to we would do that. We would do these pre table reads before we do the will taper season one and two. And that was like you're, you're open mic essential. Right. It's an audience and of they're laughing, it's working in silent. Yeah. And if we had the resources and time, I mean, you know, for script, I would be like you should do a table, read light you do like thirty you know before you get to shooting we're talking with Alli Wong, and Randall park who both co wrote and star in the movie always be my maybe there's a lot in this movie about food about celebrity chefs, and there's a scene that I won't describe in a restaurant toward the end of the film that is unbelievably hilarious about this very cutting edge restaurant. Why was that important for you as a character to play, what is chef allow you to do in terms of commenting on how that person sees her own work and the world? I think it's the easiest way for me to talk about what it's like to talk about voice without talking about it the stand up comedy because, you know, I think when you're like a chef that does this like, hacky food. It's kind of like being a hacky comic right where it's like this doesn't taste good. Even though it looks nice whatever and it's like it's not funny, even though it sells tickets or whatever is making money. So it was just this profession that I've always been drawn to because it was the most analog thing to being a female stand up comic because you're surrounded in this industry by all these men, right? And you, you work nights you work like Wednesday, Thursday Friday, you're, you can never go to a wedding. You can never go to a baby shower. And it's you know, you're that it there's so much. It's all dependent on like your point of view. Right. But it at the same time you have to keep innovating and doing new things. But the food still got. Taste good and the joke still have to be funny. You know, only because he's in the trailer because I'm bound by law, not to say what he does Ken Reeves is in your film. Let's listen to a clip from the trailer baby. Scratching taste. It's just. So we're not on for like ten minutes. The best ten minutes of my life. So that'll be on the director's cut or. We'll see. Yeah, that was it about casting Kano, even though we can't say exactly who he plays that made sense. He was a I mean, you know, we had this role that we had written and our deal person to play that role was can Reeves ideal. But we didn't think it was ever going to happen. So we had a number of other names as backups a whole list. And you know, the, our producers like let's go out to can let's just try it. And we were like okay, whatever or it's not going to know. Well, he will say now, he won't even respond most likely, and somehow it worked out. He said, yes. And that was pretty amazing. And he, he was amazing to work with just throughout the whole process. The title of the film comes from riot carry song. Right. Is that where you got him? And there's a big element of music. In this rental, your character is electricity. In HVAC guy day. Rock band guy by but his music is very important to him. So how would you guys? I just wanted Randall wrote every single word of those, those songs and they're so funny and they're good. And there's delightful and Dan, the automated who produced those songs from the band is a legendary bay area producer and -sition and he certainly helped make those songs really good. But why was music important to you as a character? What was it about what he's doing and the happiness he gets from playing small clubs and having people love his music that felt integral to the story? Well that was something that came from real life. There was a time when I was in a band very similar to the banned in the movie, and it was at the name, it was called Iligan, and we were this kind of small local band that just love and we, you know, we were I don't know if we were that good. But we were having. Did do see them all the time. Not all the time. But, like, I yeah, I remember seeing them, what will I was in college. And I loved it. Advocates skit embarrassed went in every, every vats full of rap for your made months in a monastery Giga. Gary blows out the nostrils. Schock does body. It was it was fine. And you know, we fill the clubs in LA and, and it was just a great time, but we weren't very ambitious. We were very happy with kind of where we were at and, and the span, kind of represents what you know, what would have happened if that ban kind of kept playing into their well into their it's old hood into their, you know, thirties, and the band would probably be like the one you see in the in the movie. This is a movie that is obviously very personal to you and personal to your lives, and influenced by things that you guys have done and yet unfairly, so many of these stories are seen, as like referendums on a bigger idea that it becomes the poster child for can, we do a romantic comedy where both of these are Asian? Yeah. Hopefully people will be so taken by the if it works, you know, when people relate to it, and people laugh at it in our into an invest in characters that they won't be distracted by that conversation, you know, because it was so interesting. Like I mean, for example, like, with stand up, I was I was shocked at, like, how much people didn't ask me about my race or compare me to Margaret or anything like that. And so, because I think yeah, you know, and I 'cause I love her and I grew up watching her, and she's she's thirty two, but in no interviewed anybody ever asked me about her, and I was relieved by even though I love to talk about Margaret, you know, so I'm hoping that the same will will happen with our film. And then if you want to compare put in this other context than we can get to it. But, but hopefully not, you know, because I think that other directors, you know. Who make like Quintin doesn't have that pressure or other people. I mean I'm not quitting tarintino. But, you know, other people who make movies, they don't have that on them. You know Randall. Yeah. You know, we just made a movie that we like and, and we feel good about. And, and yeah, whatever whatever comes is going to come. But ultimately, we didn't do it for that. But if that conversation does come you know, that's, that's fine too, because that's a part that's in the site guys then that's part of where we're at right now. So, but hopefully people just say, wow, that was a great movie and we really identified with those characters. Alley and Randolph. Thanks much. Inky Anki always be. My maybe is in select theaters starting today. It hits Netflix on may thirty first coming up the William Morris endeavor, talent agency is planning to go public, which means we get a rare look at the finances of a, Hollywood powerhouse. Last week William Morris endeavor filed papers to go public. The talent agencies finances, already were under scrutiny because the writers guild of America is clashing with Wm e and other big agencies over packaging fees, I spoke with Reid. He's business editor Cynthia Littleton, and we started with the merger in two thousand nine that brought together, the establish William Morris with the upstart talent agency endeavor William Morris was an absolute institution and it was one of the entities that helped shape, the entertainment industry as we know it as time went on though, the feeling was that it's sort of ossified from the inside at very much needed the new leadership in this kind of fresh brash, upstart mentality that endeavor brought in droves. William Morris also had a deep bench of material that just turn out cash Andy Griffith show from shows like you know. You know, the Andy Griffith show that are still just printing money today. So William Morris had this great resource, but they didn't have the current leadership that could take the agency into the future. The thing I remember too is just like what the architecture of the two firms you went into William Morris. It was kind of dark lot of like big leather seats, felt very old fashioned go into endeavor was like gleaming open floors. It just felt like they had different views of what an agency should be doing. Yeah, absolutely. There is a reason why people know the name RAM annual he was definitely the inspiration for the Durham givens Ari gold character onto rose until the end of the day tomorrow to agree to be rebranded mine. And that is definitely not that is not the attitude of the mentality or the visuals that you found is you say going into the old William Morris agency. I've always been interested, and you probably have been as well about how much aid. Agents make because it's always been a pretty closely guarded secret. But when you go public, you have to file a lot of financial disclosures, and I looked through the numbers and they're pretty staggering. So last year REM annual the CEO made five point three million dollars, but those numbers, don't even include the value of vested unvested equity in the firm for Emmanuel last year was valued and additional eighty five million dollars. And if you go back a year before that WMA bought back from manual a hundred and sixty five million dollars of equity that he held what have you taken away in terms of the compensation that the agents are making as revealed in these papers? Well, I think you have to separate the senior agents at William Morris versus what are now corporate officers of the larger endeavor holding company, which has a lot of different pieces. But yes, these are more you know eight and nine figure kind of jaw dropping figures. This goes back to the. That even ten years ago that us that the smaller, although very strong and upstart agency endeavor could take over the larger William Morris agency, even that struck. Many as like you know, kind of head scratcher in terms of how did they pull that off? And then you see the kind of equity that is accrued to the top, people aren't manual and Patrick, white, so, and you just realize, you know, there was such a gold, rush there ten years ago. And it's much greater than the sum of the parts that they inherited in two thousand nine you wrote that the timing of their plans to go public is not perfect. What problems with wise is not a great time for me to be trying to take public. Well, there's another big issue that is roiling Hollywood right now, which is this split between Hollywood writers that create films and TV shows with Hollywood's largest talent agencies of which w me is the biggest, and that is kind of something that nobody really suck. Coming, even just a few months ago, I think people thought that there would be a flap and it would be settled quickly and we're going on now seven weeks and it hasn't been settled. This is bad news for the largest agencies because the top screenwriters and Sherwin is are their most valuable clients, because nothing happens without a script. When I look through the skirt, he's filing it occurs to me that given all the other kind of unusual businesses that w EMMY is in now. It's got like a sports betting business. It's got Miss Universe. It has professional bull riders. Do they really need writers? Can they survive with those other businesses how much of their old way of making money is critical to their future? You know, there has been a lot of speculation that they might spin out W. Emmy as a separate entity, you know, endeavor insiders, have said, absolutely not. We will not separate w me from the rest of the businesses. It's still seem. Seems like that could be a plausible path for certainly settling some of the issues that arise from Debbie me being corporately connected with all these companies that are in content and distribution. People have been saying conflicts of interest for a long time that chorus has gotten louder with the stuff that's in the air about the WPA about the general concerns about the way that the w me and its larger rivals have been evolving in a changing entertainment, ecosystem. It's really fraught as part of their filing to go public. They have this thing called talent case study Dwayne Johnson and they talk about representing Dwayne Johnson since two thousand eleven and they talk about his movies, but they also talk about all the other things w EMMY has been doing with Dwayne the rock Johnson. There's a YouTube channel with more than three million subscribers. And then there's an event coming to Atlanta in June of next year called the rock games a fitness lifestyle. Entertainment, convention experience is w I'm doing things that other agencies. Are they thinking outside the box is that why they're so successful? That's one of their big selling points is that they organically have a lot of relationships outside of the core. Hollywood film and television business that clients, like Dwayne Johnson as opposed to, you know, the ideal in Hollywood used to be the ten million dollar the twenty million dollar actor. But really now it's the Ellen Degeneres is, it's the doing Johnson's, it's the people that can be that can, you know, play in a lot of difference and boxes Cynthia Littleton is the business editor at variety. Cynthia thanks so much for coming back on the show. Thanks, john. And that's all for today. Remember to follow us on Twitter and Facebook. You can find us at the frame. I'm John horn. Thanks for listening. We'll see a back here tomorrow.

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Bop to the Top or Bottom (with Randall Park)

Keep It!

1:29:16 hr | 1 year ago

Bop to the Top or Bottom (with Randall Park)

"<music> welcome back to keep it. We're just like meghan mccain. We are not living without our guns or huston dunce on tv reuters tweeted got it out about her getting her star on the hollywood walk of fame which is and they labeled the tweet kirstin don's best known as playing spider-man's undermines girlfriend that really drives me saw what an insult charger sow insulted also oh. Hello welcome to keep it right. Thank you for having me or the houston fan club today listen. I'm all for it. I love carson dan. Her show was great. She is on hilarious and devastating th th the signature kirsten brings odd becoming a god in central florida is very fantastic and it's sort of lived in and just sort of southern trash gothic very flannery o'connor true blood a trashes heart carrying i really i really enjoy it i was i was shocked by the twist in the pilot episode. <hes> one of the characters is just in there for the pilot <hes> but i thought that it was such a good sort of funny show for her to be in and she's always been funny. I mean i know that she gave an interview recently where she talked about how she's never felt very powerful in hollywood because people just sort of think of her as the girlfriend bring on <hes> on is a great movie and also her movies have this weird record of catching on either well after the factor does building and fandom them as the years go on and she mentioned that as much to <hes> spent i specifically love she did a movie called bachelor at about eight years ago. That's what's so funny. She is first of all it is about some mean women which i mean off it. We're so in this world of characters who like call themselves a mess. You know a little bit off. Kilter called off kilter. These are horrible people who are terrible to their friend getting married and it is life affirming lizzy caplan also so evil and our friend adam scott center also written and directed by leslie headline who i adore <hes> who has said multiple times that she wants to be on keep it and maybe she should just come l._a. She also is in charge of russian dolls so she's just a damn saint. <hes> bring it on. I feel like has been really sort of acknowledged as a great comedy as we've gotten older. It's fun movie some any lessons life less. It's definitely including gabrielle union. Yes gabrielle union was very interesting to is you know how you usually see the trajectory of wight stars and black stars in hollywood. It's always like oh well. This blackstock should've had like at amazing huge career <hes> as opposed to some random random white person there in a movie with but it seems like they've had even a sort of similar trajectory. I mean garo union. Maybe is slightly lightly more well known and recognizable then kirsten dunst like to the random person on the street. Oh you think so. I both been they're both people that are dependable in certain context. You can expect to see them at a certain rate but you're right. They're never just glorified deified enough right and gabrielle union with probably lee assists in her star power is her husband and she has a lot of other things a lotta little pockets of different come when you're sort of like a block celebrity because at least black people who you are being very jane like she has that sort of power as opposed to you know i feel like like more black people probably now here from britain on or interview with the vampire yeah <hes> most of the general public they're like. They're they're not seeing melancholy yeah. It's still drives me. I think now bohemian rhapsody is the number one quote l._g._b._t. Themed movie of all time but for the longest time interview reviews manpower was number one count okay fat from bohemian rhapsody. No right can't be revoked. Spread among the films of todd haines or something like that lives on top of what <hes> but yeah. I think that <hes> obviously that tweet was stupid but but <hes> i don't think it was wrong to necessarily refer to as her best known role. It is the role that made her the most money it's a blind i would say that spiderman is enough in popular culture <hes> so that you could have just said best known as mary jane from spiderman yeah yeah. The phrasing is really crazy. I mean soon. Are we going to get like tweet with about marisa. Tomei being like spider-man's doddering old at orissa toma <music> may it just seemed like they were reducing her career down to that specific moment in that specific film marisa tomei. I'm kidding oh. I thought she deserved that oscar. Kirsten does nominee for fargo. Come on. There's lots of ends yes. She was fantastic and anyway houston. Ben danced danced watch on becoming god and central florida which i always want to put to the theme which i always want to the tune of it never rains in southern california possible. Put together for me twitter. Do your thing people we we you have a fantastic show. Today we are going to be joined by randall park dependable actors yes dependable phantasm everything we will also be getting into it about dacia powell's new comedy special and say and von's latest scandalous interview clap back. What a moment. What a moment keep listening this. This is keep it came in hot last week with his new netflix special sticks and stones. What a title very teeth with mary mary for her. I did something bad <hes> at it took aim at everyone from l._g._b._t._q. Hugh people to crew eight right right <hes> <hes> plus critics of r kelly critics kevin hart art critics of louis c._k. Who are all the same by the way all those others levels of badness the same michael jackson accusers out of me too movement it it was wild i before we get any others. Did you find any parts of it. Funny i will i'll i'll say this there are certain comedians who just by the sheer virtue of the way they deliver words is kinda funny like he always will have that. I mean just a certain comic thing about at him. In terms of ideas delivered the answer is no and i say that sincerely there wasn't one thing he said during the show that i found novel because first of all. I wish we had more late forty something comedians who are over it. That's very new to me and moves the conversation for right but for the most part i mean obviously these these all these different topics are different issues but let's talk about the michael jackson thing. He talked about how basically kids would be lucky to be molested by michael jackson. That's the rest of vassar molested by other people. I mean that's me now yes to me. The point of that rant was basically to say there's no such thing as molesting a boy you you don't i mean that in a way they want sex ultimately and then we'll brag about it to me that was even as harmful than just discrediting michael jackson's accusers wholesale who's part. They thought that it was going so every time he brings the subjects him the same fast growing yeah 'cause when he brought up a lot of us in this room room had been molested probably statistically yes <hes> and i wondered if he was about to share something about his story about his life's thing and and we get like a really sort of revealing moment from him but no and i kind of felt like i knew the tone of this going in because i had seen clips on twitter mississippi people have really been going up for his one bit about comparing the n. word to the f. word but i was like even that didn't land are we. Are we acting this up up to that marginalized. People don't reclaim certain terms like like i just i was looking for more a much like you all just mentioned and it just landed so flatly lately to me and was overall not funny right so that was the point where things really started sticking to me about what this special was. He talks about how when he was making chapelle. Show there was a sketch with the word faggot. Edit and standards and practices was like <hes> well. You can't say this word. He's like well. I can say nigger as much as i want. <hes> <hes> and she's like well because you're you know you're not having either but it's also like every black person who says that were there not one either but it's a wreck right by neither is a reclamation jason of that and it is no one has ever hurled faggot at dave's pal right. Why would he even enjoy what is the the joy with with him wanting to say. The word is the joy you get with people when they're like well. Why can't i say it is so frustrating. Rating always to see when straight black men <hes> can understand ratio oppression and the nuances of it when it comes to black white issues but it completely jumps out of the window when it comes to. I don't understand because yet again. It's the erasure of the intersections of black l._g._b._t._q. Plus people exist david and like being. I don't know every time you and i have now. Some friends were in the alphabet as he calls it. I'm like which is wayne. I'm like are they. All white gays yeah. I can't believe he actually said i. I have friends who are eligible so allow me to go on this obtuse ranch he also he makes a metaphor about how every letter in the alphabet i hate that trash it anyway is its own struggle but they're all then he tried saying they're all in the same car and q. wasn't allowed to get in the car. Where are you getting your eh looking out the window. Now see some of that had some truth. I think some of that joke did have a little bit of truth in it just coming from the position of a black trans woman. I mean you know sometimes. You don't feel heard all the time within the community but i'm sorry i didn't hear it so i mean some of the things i was like kind of perked up like and then it landed so flatly just to my initial point. I did not enjoy any of it. The the molestation content in particular made me so uncomfortable kicked off with the most content to it was like all right yeah. The the metoo criticism made me so uncomfortable but it's expected from someone he disappeared like the old crotchety black uncle who's unwilling to evolve and listen to me type thing and even just looking at the audiences so random but i think at one point because i was like kind of looking audience i think giselle bryant from real housewives of potomac within was in the audience. I'm dead serious math. So i just the special. It just seemed like he was just saying inflammatory clamato things just for kind of like sound bites and i personally think any comedian worth their weight in comedy. If you're going to punch low you gotta be colorful in your or language like a joke can be delivered about anybody in anything but you gotta. You know there's a call to action. Get creative. This felt lazy. It did feel lazy because it feels so different from the comedy that we loved from dave chappelle before like i've always foundation pow incredibly right ably smart <hes> incredibly funny <hes> and really good ideas that always really worked particularly in chapelle show and his earlier stand up and i even his most recent with some of it was he had other trans stuff and that obsession how that special i found funnier aside from that than this one. This one felt so much like he has nothing to say anymore. It's like he's looking at trending topics twitter and quote tweeting just so he can get re tweets and face because another person on twitter on chapelle show. He was talking about things that affected him. You know affected our community and this it's like why are you making about tristan like do you know a transverse an you're not well. It's like what the fuck do you care. That's what i don't understand states. He's making jokes about things that legitimately do not think he gives a fuck specifically. Also i think you can tell that's the case because what the special actually really started with was him quoting nineteen ninety nine by prints and leaning and on the words try to come from. I come from a distraction. You know i didn't even care basically self martyring whatever whatever come for me sticks and stones. It doesn't bother me like that's your. That's what you lead off with before you go into. These truncated uninformed rants about l._g._b._t._q. Ubt q. people like we're just after you which caused which brings to mind something else that upsets me that he kind of invokes in the special the idea of cancel oh culture which is something that comes up again and again. Obviously we talked about it on. Keep it. How about. I am sick of saying those words. It's like the words fake news somebody fucking. Hey came up with it to justify some some republican point of view. It is not real counts. Cancelled culture is a bullshit term. Let's call it consequences culture having to answer for shitty do things you fucking say and having other people not like where you're coming from and they might have a valid point of view and it might mean bad news for you right and it seems like so many people are focused <music> on. I can't tell certain jokes all my guys. You know what pete davidson jerry seinfeld. It's like hello comedy changes. Were not laughing at fucking episodes of the honeymooners right now i oh you can't come out with the same jokes that people were telling before comedy. I feel like dies on the vine much more than any other medium that were into you know you have to switch it up and it's him sim. Try ought to be edgy. You know it it was like watching a jenny jonsson standup special story. We'll also it. Just i started thinking about it. It just feels to me like the worst thing that can happen to a male comedian usually young as they are considered edgy because what happens it seems seems like is then they get it in their heads that they themselves the way they are in that moment sort of unthinkingly are the gift they always will be a gift and they don't have to update what they think. They don't really have to listen if you make them listen. You're changing who they are and why they're so great to everybody and it's just not true. You know i mean i not only do. I value wouldn't comedians basically update what they think and occasionally apologized for pass things what they said but then i'm like. I'm then become a superfan of there's like i would say sarah. Silverman generally early speaking owns some of the past things she said in a significant way but you're right not aw podcast was a bit y yes he sort of made excuses for her but that's mark man <hes> i would say that we talked about it before with the tightest <hes> andy cohen fossil all right <hes> eddie murphy is someone who started out <hes> saying a lot of homophobic things comedy. He is a person now who i would not view you as homophobic for that. I think that he got funnier. After that initial stand up in the eighties he was able to do other forms of comedy and that's why we love him. I think dave chapelle takes himself a bit too seriously with <hes> the specific line about trans the trans community hating him <hes> from from people that i've spoken with a lot of people don't hate him. They just fundamentally don't care for example. If we weren't going to be discussing this today that little suggestion on my netflix would have repeatedly you know working. Moms has a new season like it would get. I'm not intentionally seeking out new dave chapelle material cereal and i think it's interesting because a lot of the reviews applauding him when i wouldn't when this i dropped that i saw on twitter we're coming from people who i have up opposing using political views with that's all barn cats racer like finally so funny because remember when we they were taking taylor swift task <hes> speaking of your <hes> connecting both of them earlier <hes> for breitbart and all these other other outlets loving her as white nationalist girl because she wasn't saying twenty sixteen election. We'll keep that same energy. Then what day what do you have to you say about breitbart about <hes> fucking dana lowest liking your fucking comedy is is this the audience recording now because it's so intriguing to me the reasons that you talked about quitting the chapelle show because white people were starting to take your comedy in a certain way and now it seems like you're catering to the worst kinds of those people and specifically speaking about him saying like the trans people hate me. You know like the games you know <hes> with the kevin hart thing where he says the only people you can't upset in hollywood are the gays. It's this this insistence that he's talking about white gays yeah right because he separates the two he does separate the two because it feels very much like nineties. Two thousands comedy where it was like. Oh we're talking about race and was like white people right and it's like <hes>. You can't say why people anyway but it feels like uh whenever he's talking about the gays. It's a stand in for white people yes a new form of white people that he feels like they're trying to take down his friends like kevin hart. It's a complete erasure of the fact that there are black l._g._b._t._q. People and when he's talking about you know the the dollhouse al house thing but we know it was a fucking joe. I'm sorry that it to me was a very baffling part of the special like he basically said. If i remember correctly he said we'll see clearly. Kevin hart was joking. I know a lot of people who've been abused and guess what none of them got a dollhouse over their heads and they also so you're saying they haven't been hit. What what are you talking about or with the dollhouse in particular it might have been a frying pan yeah right but that's what the dollhouse trash kam deo small yeah. I had no idea where he was coming from and it's not if you wanna talk about abuses like you have so many jokes about transpeople like trans women are murdered especially black trans women at such an alarming right and it was so interesting to see him be so flippant about transpeople people and then talk about how we need to do something about gun violence in america. It's like who do you think is being murdered by guns in america it was also interesting the way that he wrapped special up with saying that i think he said something along the lines of everyone that he talked about he sees himself in but he only talked about like like he only followed that up with talking about the bits that he made about poor people in particular so it's like what is this really all about and he mentioned his wife did not like the trans jokes but he's still followed through and did them and then he made this very off-base asian joke and you know it just seemed intentionally obtuse just has to hearken back to say oh. I talked to my gay friends for example. I talked to my gay friends and none of them had dollhouse. You know hit above their head. It just seemed like i said intentionally obtuse. It's like david you know what you're doing. I don't think that he is. I don't think there's a joke within the joke right. I don't think that this is like smart comedy. If you know what i would actually say the worst thing i can say about this special is that it's exactly what you expect from a past as prime comedian ah note for note and he was so specifically exciting and the comedian at one point so for him to be such a cliche of who that person would become fifteen years after there is super disappointing. It is because it's particularly when he was defending louis c._k. Right and we've heard the new louis c. k. standups of it. It's it's been basically louis c. K. stand up right yeah. It's defending yourself against accusations attacks entering yourself. Yes who aren't interested in ed. It's interesting that he opens up with two quotes on the screen one from kendrick lamar and it says pulitzer prize winner and then one from <hes> jay z. <hes> billionaire and it's it's just his insistence of i'm rich now of course he's acquainting <hes> his friendship with louis c. k. Hey kevin hart so like things. He actually wants to protect now. That's where he is now. He's really coming around the position of on rich billionaire. Stop being mean to my billionaire air france. Thank you yeah. It was very talented that the audience like collapsed when he brought kevin love yeah no shade but if you think kevin hart is the funniest person ever right now. I have even more question yeah i mean the joke is the only one that i kind of chuckled dead how he mentioned that kevin refused to apologize and then went on this press tour for the next six weeks from everything from a._m. To d._m. To down with robin roberts to apologize that was the only thing that i kinda was like you know but everything else just made me uncomfortable especially in particular the molestation jokes. I didn't know oh you know he did say <hes> he was talking about being poor as a kid and he said he asked his dad for three dollars and he didn't have it nicos dead. How are we alive but that was kind of funny yeah and the thermostat thermostat turned up to thirty six degrees and things but like you said lewis it it. It's the delivery a lot of the time caress intro and the a delivery to the jussie smollet stuff wedding that was funny but then once again the array of black queer people when he said the the games were like why are you also silent about defending jesse small let <hes> it was because black people knew that he was lying about that shit. I saw every black person. I know posting about it. I didn't even see <hes> aside from queer people you thought jesse passed away the way my <hes> twitter timeline on an instagram time-line memory actress every actor was posting their selfish with him and sending them their well wishes so it was in particular black men because i believe that it was steve harvey survey who made a video totally erasing you know i think the accusations were that these men that attacked jesse were being homophobic and raises. Steve made made a video only addressing the racism and not the homophobia which i think a lot of black men in hollywood when they did say something erased the homophobia aspect of it and made it about oh. They're calling him. You know the end were type thing right and that's why kevin hart got dragged again too because he he just had that <hes> homophobic nick tobacco and then he tried to say i'm with you just like yeah and like at the end of the month january twenty ninth i think jesse was allegedly attacked and kevin fallout was like the second week of january right at it's just the idea that through the entire jussie smollet situation <hes> <hes> what we were really really waiting for was a black straight-sets male perspective. There's hey that's enough comedy for me to laugh period and then to have to think about why wasn't laughing. Come on this. It's just made me you know side. I net flicks. Monique deserves her her rose now. I'm thinking about that kurt things since they wanna talk about. They don't look at the resume they look at relevancy back out here with that floor length black leather coat monique. We miss delivery letter. 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What's the epicenter of the randall park experience you know i think that whole experience with always be my baby was was the best oh really yeah and i think in part because i was doing it with my friends <hes> you know <hes> with alley and a notch and and just people i i really <hes> just love and and i was kind of involved from beginning to end and that was really fun. Did you meet the noncha- when you started fresh off the boat. I have been a fan of hers since <hes> don't trust the b thirty three. She's chronic t._v. Show yeah she's a she's a genius like chest comedy genius and and the nicest is person you'll ever meet yeah what the hell is making just something with a bunch of friends i mean what does that bring out that you wouldn't normally have in a in a movie <hes> it just just like a comfort level and and <hes> just you know you can vetus feel more free taking chances and and and <hes> and just laughing all the time you know it was just it was just so joyful. <hes> you know like you know you know wondering eh people's motives are are you just kinda know them and and and it was just fine. It's kind of a dream just to keep working with friends you know. Could you tell us a bit about how how you started in comedy and like. Did you see yourself <hes> being able to be like a romantic lead <hes> well you know i started acting and doing comedy and writing and college at u._c._l._a. And i had co founded this asian american theater company while i was there and we just we wrote all of our own original material and a lot of it was comedy and we got to play everything you know we got got to be everything and it was just so kind of free and <hes> at that time i thought yeah you know if i ever pursue this professionally. I i would love to be able to do this and then play everything and be a romantically and be a just whatever and <hes> and then years after i graduated. I finally decided hi to kind of pursue. It professionally and i realize that they don't see me the same way. I'm not getting the same opportunities i it did on that stage in college. You know <hes> so so it took a while and ultimately i kind of had to write it to to to do it. So what do you think makes a good good rom com <hes> well. I think a lot of people have kind of said what they love about our movies that says things different but i do like find a lot of comfort in kind of predictable elements around <hes> you know and just seeing how uh-huh elements are are are done. I like that stuff you know it's very comforting and <hes> <hes> so i'd say a combination of the both hitting those beats that we are now but also bringing something new to the table you know <hes> having an asian american uncouple for example you know different and and and and incorporating that <hes> you know their backgrounds and their you know into the into the story line and and <hes> it just makes it more interesting but at the same time you have familiar beats yeah i would say if you just took a cursory look at your career and all that whatever l. the guest roles you've pat on things all the different types of roles you've had i would just naturally think oh well. He's comfortable doing everything but my question for you is what is disorienting for you as an actor. What is the most difficult thing you can encounter sure about working on a project gosh. That's a good question <hes> <hes> gosh i don't. I don't know i look are you throwing on a set of like oh brandel doesn't know what to not really because by the time i'm on the set it's like i you know i've kind of like gone in thinking king. I can do this. You know but i like. I haven't done a lot of like heavy drama young now and i think that that would be a little bit challenging for me even though i've done comedies with a lot of drama in it but i think because i feel comfortable in comedy i don. I feel like you know. I feel more comfortable even even even if it's like a dramatic scene knowing that like this is a comedy you know but <hes> but in terms like just doing like a full on heavy heavy you know cancer story farewell that that'd be that would be a challenge challenge. I'd like to take on eventually yeah interesting to just thinking about you know the trajectory of being able to tell more asian-americans stories. You know them mtv. <hes> you know fresh off the boat was the first one since all american girl yeah yeah we just had a show and <hes> just thinking about the stereotypes that all races sort of have to play <hes> yeah. It's i feel like there's a dearth of dramas that we've seen with asian american characters you know because we most people who aren't right are usually relegated to comedic amita role right right. That's true that is true. I think it's starting to change and i think we're we're starting to see kind of <hes> just some more the gamut of stories being told but it's a constant like push in a constant fight and <hes> <hes> but i do think like yeah you mentioned the farewell well you mentioned you know like a lot of the projects coming out of in finding an audience and that is ultimately what speaks to this business just the box office or or you know <hes> you know ratings and viewership and all that and i think <hes> you know people wanna see these stories ham i mean i mean because people want to see crazy rotations. Which is you know. It's like you said it's like the romantic comedy the thing it's it's beats we've seen before but people turn out to see them because they like those familiar beats but oh it seems like it's a new version of something just because there was a wedding alone <hes> yeah i think i kind of feel like that's kind of step in the process right. Yeah i need to bring that familiarity a little bit and that familiarity as what makes some people who normally wouldn't go see something like that thank okay this is safe for me you now and and then <hes> and then eventually hopefully we could get the point where we're kind of just going completely completely out there and doing things that are are really really haven't been done before so when fresh off the boat was renewed your co star constance wu you're going there. I have to add to ask. Were you surprised by her her reaction when she took to twitter. We all know what happened. We all saw everything unfold. Were you surprised by her reaction. If someone who works firsthand with her <hes> <hes> yes and no you know. I was surprised that <hes> she took to twitter to express that but i i wasn't surprised i i get it. I get <hes> those feelings. I get like <hes> <hes> conan's shows for six seasons seasons it. Just you know it when new opportunities arise arise and you can't i like i totally understood where she was coming from and i just think it was just just a big misstep in terms of of <hes>. I'm an inclusion. The execution apology miss some missteps you uh-huh but <hes> but you know she's human you know and <hes> i think she she definitely feels bad about at all yeah. Are you at the point. We can joke about it with our onset yet. I don't really bring. I pretend like everyone worked doesn't just talk about it all the time on fresh off the boat you now what's going on now. Seven six okay six yeah yeah we we started our six talk about a a role that at this point you know like the back of your hand yet. What is it like keeping that role. I like spicy for you like how do you how do you keep it spontaneous or does it. Does it have to be spontaneous for you. It's it's such a is it an easy job etc <hes> it's it's. It's a real real easy job now. It's real easy. It's really fun. I mean it feels like you know link like family at this point. You know <hes> we we. It's <hes> i wouldn't say it's it's super challenging and it it <hes> i wouldn't say it's like like creatively like <hes> you know fulfilling in in in the sense that like always you. I may be was completely like this new thing for me. You know but <hes> but i think it's just kind of come for me. Just counting my blessings and remembering time him win like my dream was just to have a job you know and to have a regular job and and and and just being able to be a part of a show like fresh off the boat it just kind of just reminding myself. This is what i always wanted you know and but yeah at times it's kind of like oh my god. We've we've been doing this for a long time to interview. Recently you know to where you were asked about. A constant is reaction to the show getting renewed renewed and you were in an era where we don't expect most shows to go on for three years. Yeah <hes> and i know you had said that. You thought the show was ending after five and it's just weird to an era where it's like oh this show is going into sixty. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. The last the episode of the fifth season pretty much book ended the series. You know so so we felt like oh. It's probably <hes> probably gonna end <hes> but but yeah we keep going project that you had to walk away from yourself because doing the show again <hes> i mean i mean there were things but i don't know i kinda. I kinda had a feeling in the back of my head that we'd come back yeah i did. I did just because like even though our ratings are like you know they're not great compared to like. I don't know what ratings would have been even five years ago ago but they're pretty strong for one ratings are today you know so so i i had a feeling and i was prepared for that and the things that did come my way. I ah i was like i had to prepare myself to be like okay. That's at might not happen and it's okay you know and <hes> so yeah. There were a few the things here and there but but nothing nothing that i was completely heartbroken over thinking about you know when you were doing your theater company <hes> was it's a lot of it creating your own roles just because that's what everyone wanted to do or was it just because you didn't see that much desire in doing cedar that might have existed for asian american actors. I mean i i love the hurt myself thinking like david wang and <hes> eh you know but even those. We didn't have that many of them. Yeah i mean i think for us. It was it was we none of us came from a theater background around. You know we were at u._c._l._a. We were all a lot of us. Were like <hes> like a lot of us. Were science and math majors the things that our parents wanted us to do but in the in the back of our heads we had this like urge to perform and so we formed this theater company pretty much for for them or for for people like like like them and like me you know at the time who who who really wanted to try something like that out but we we had no background in it or no. We weren't familiar with the plays blaze. We became familiar with the plays ever since then but but we always i mean it just felt kind of natural for us to just write our own stuff when we did not know how to write but we just did it. You know we kind of just we didn't know how to act but we just did it and <hes> so so we <hes> it was an exciting time for us. Who did you draw inspiration operation front that it you feeling this urge to wanna act to perform. You know who are the people that you looked up to that. Who you're like. I want to do <hes> <hes> gosh i mean i grew up on sitcoms in how like <hes> do the same. The same that comes we all grew up on those fam- family elites is the fact that you know and <hes> i just spent a good percentage of my childhood in front of a t._v. And i just fascinated by it. <hes> even though i was born and raised in i had no connection to the industry no idea how it worked was magic to me you know and i think that that kind of you know stuck with with me. The it stuck with me and i wasn't even really that aware that there weren't a lot of asian americans on the screen and i was just taking in these stories wasn't until i got to u._c._l._a. And and met a lot of other asian americans and realize oh this is like weird that there are no asian asian and and i think the combination of being in college and having grown up just consuming these stories then realizing that none of them looked like me that kind of fueled us to create our own stuff so with that being considered. When is the first first time do you can you recall a specific time which is like the first time you saw yourself. Onscreen like you saw yourself reflected where you're like. I can do this <hes> well well. I don't it wasn't an i can do this moment but i distinctly remember the very first asian person i saw on screen i mean it's very vary random kristen very often it was it sticks with me to this day but i was literally watching the news the local news there was a place ass-kicker <hes> for u._c._l._a. He played for u._c._l._a. and he was this guy. I don't even remember his name but he was this asian american guy and they were interviewing him and i remember as a kid sitting there watching the sky and the just like being like i couldn't believe he didn't have an accent and i was like cummock. Gosh i've never seen anything like this but this is a while even though i didn't have an accent needed but just to see it on t._v. Was was really <hes>. It was surreal real for me in that that kind of stuck with me just over the years and then and then as i got older you know pat morita. <hes> people like bat. The guy on barney miller was his name <hes>. I'd see see see more kind of asian americans on screen. I think there are a lot of actors who when their onscreen. I'm thinking of people like cate blanchett or <hes> maryland. They have an air of untouchability about them and you to to me are like i distinctly relatable person i watch you and i think that is somebody i know and i'm wondering what are the pitfalls of being so relatable like everybody wanna. Wanna come up to you because i think i know shop the boat. I'm like absolutely. I know i don't know i. I don't really think about that really that much. I mean people are always really nice to me and kind and and it'd be weird if they were. You know what what i'm saying you are nice and they appre yeah. I get approached <hes> especially after the movie came out a lot more but it's always it's always love and i it's. It's <hes> always positive and <hes> yeah i i don't. I'm not a i'm not really conscious of what i kind of. You know so in what i how people take me but <hes> but i i it's a nice that's nice. I worry about the sort of thing i was thinking about. People like like tina fey or your tim gunn and project their people were just like i don't know what it is about the way that they convey who they are but i just like oh i absolutely i absolutely know who that is. So there's there's my friend. No that's delusion on my part. I don't like a downside or any type of burden to your visibility and your representation because because i imagine for maybe a handful of people you may be the gateway and projects that you participate and maybe the gateway like there there guys into to what they define as asian cultures in downfall or pitfall to being fake example and a lot of case yeah i mean i it's it's something that i'm sure we all can relate to in that you know y- when when i'm on screen kind of represent everybody everybody whether i like everybody in my community whether i like it or not you know and i can't represent everyone in my community. You know <hes> <hes> when the a show first came out it was kinda like he's the only asian american kind of death sitcom dad and dad on screen and if it's not exactly exactly like my dad growing up then it's not it's not right. You know it's not proper representation and it's like i. I can't be everyone's dad. You know <hes> <hes> when the interview came out that was like a whole you know a whole nother feel like with every project they are. There's going to be <hes> <hes> people who feel like. I'm not doing it right you know but that's you know but then there's so many people who who enjoy the performances and <hes> i just i remember that you know it is so weird thinking about the time when the interview came out supersonic moment it's like wow this is so dangerous and now it just seems like commonplace to slap on the row yeah yeah yeah. It was a a surreal surreal time. I it was the first time i was. I had a role that big in anything and it happened to be playing line kim jong hoon but i you know we weren't expecting that any of that to happen. Obviously you know and as it was happening joining. I was like wow this is <hes>. This is my big shot and <hes> it is going down in flames and <hes> ah yeah it was it was it was wild but <hes> but i i look back and have have a perspective on now and i kind of cherish arish that experience the same character and that's right true right that's right. That's right ah just like when you look at the media landscape now like who's exciting you wake who who do you look forward to seeing them in projects like an or like what do you watch it down. Why <hes> <hes> penn fifteen i i love. I just love it <hes> to me that that that show really excites me yeah and <hes> <hes> gosh ashley. I'm not watching as much as i would if i want. I just finished the <hes> the last season of queer eye which sure <hes> sure yeah. These are both shows. Were it's almost impossible not to watch the entire season and once. I don't know what it is like. If it feels the vibe then you need to keep having aside i just saw that i just saw <hes> infinity war. I i haven't seen any game. How and i'm on a marvel show like assam bihar man yeah. I'm behind busy the job we hadn't seen all these things you'd be calling nine one one. He's a balance. This is kiana reasons in the movie. His birthday was yesterday at whoa yeah. He's a very good king beyond say today not tomorrow. We'll i mean. This is gonna come out tomorrow. I don't know doesn't understand it. Was it like being upset with he. Had you been a fan. Of course i mean i feel like it'd be weird like i've never been a fan of the reason he sucks much ado about. I mean yeah. I grew up watching him. I'm and and i grew up hearing the stories about him <hes> and and so i was i was i couldn't believe we got him for our movie and <hes> <hes> especially like kind of playing a version of himself and and and poking fun at kind of his public persona you know and <hes> <hes> but yeah <hes> now that i think about it's like yeah kion he gets it. You know he of all like icons would get it you know and and ah he was so great with so great i was just <hes> so <hes> thrilled being in his presence but then after <hes> you know a a couple of hours it's like oh there's kiana you know and he makes it that way. Yeah <hes> he was very open and told us a lot of stories and <hes> ah it's just a sweet guy. He's so open about his heritage or background to did you did you always sort of see him as and as an american like actor i you know i didn't really i didn't know i was white growing up and i remember when i found out that he you know i think he had talked about it in you and <hes> and yeah it was like that's cool and then when we you were coming up with the movie where he's ours we gotta we gotta get it and yeah and and he he was yeah he told us a lot talked about a lot of that onset and with us and yeah it's just a not another source of pride for us. 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The interviewer was trying to create a sort of familiarity. Yeah i don't even have with most people now now. <hes> before we get into the actual thing that upset them the most it starts out by asking him about does he have a crush on starred mendez and when they met did things get steamy between that wow so the question the question is could you please out. Shawn mendes was gas slighty slighty. It felt like interview in playboy in nineteen ninety-three right yeah cosmo cosmo. The line of questioning at this interviewer did was very that's where my mind went. Magazine uses the word steamy yeah yeah outside of a grades anatomy scriptwriter in two thousand five. Let me say jackie collins but what really made him upset was with the interviewer asked him if he was a fan the end of will and grace because he's a faggot <hes> and whether or not he was a top or a bottom and troy said i thought about asking the interview you're about his absolute favorite sex after that last question but then i remembered how wildly invasive strange and inappropriate that would be didn't stop him though well. I think he should have asked him. Honestly i feel like there's a there's a way to this media thing and you know he answered all of the questions then to only go go back on twitter there and do this rant and i feel like sometimes it could be as simple as i'm not answering that <hes> you know why play the game why feed into it and i i imagine it's hard for celebrities to know they can turn down questions. 'cause it is awkward when you're doing q._n._a. There is a semblance of a real conversation occurring and you wanted to feel like you're talking to a friend because that's how you probably the best interview but at the same time it's not a friend that conversation you know it is business and you should be able to just turned down a question over the phone right person so so it seems like it would be easier when you're not you know in person making eye contact to just be like i'm not answering that especially when the person you're dealing with basically sounds like a mcdonald's drive through they just sitting in your living room or something just. Where did you ask me. I love the interview just describes it as i'm gonna pass on that one and it's the last question but also i feel like the interviewer probably would have loved if troy asked him that question too yeah. It seemed like he was fishing for date. Good lordy right. Maybe which lends itself to this whole thing surrounding the shawn mendez question two right. I feel like so much of the way that we cover gay. Male celebrities. Now is just this idea that maybe you could date them. They're available yet. It's i mean it's the way that you see people insisting that shawn mendez is gay or constantly like wondering what he's doing and like all the time it's sort of the idea that if he were he would somehow be accessible to you and you are still some gates weeding on your shift at starbucks glendale right no kidding. I also just want to say that. One thing. I liked liked about troy. Savant response was he didn't dismiss the outlet wholesale and say oh you're just trash period and he said he didn't like this line of questioning which is so much different than that time. Olivia munn responded to go fug yourself and basically tried to repaint them as you know <hes> patty scandalous you know superficial. I'll when in fact fact they've done so much great repechage for years and years we just a few months ago i think troy savant like a responsible consumer of gay media yeah and i appreciate him <hes> just responding thoughtfully to those questions right because then he also responded to an out magazine article which we have no idea who wrote by by the way because the out magazine wrote about the incident and it said written by out dot com editors at i love when magazines right written written by the editors so you don't know actually wrote this i guarantee one person wrote at the al <hes> it said it's a bit hypocritical for troy to act as if talking about his sex life is taboo when he wrote a whole album about bottoming declared journalists have to the respectability politics as straight ones if troy saying that if something had asked him about bottoming in a twitter cuna he'd scold them just as harshly. It's twenty nineteen talking about anal sex shouldn't be taboo a specially in queer media and he responded by tweeting firstly bloom is an album about love. I said that in every single interview i did about the album suggesting that made the entire album about bottoming is over sexualizing me and my work and is reductive and phil picardy. <hes> said that he was sorry for the article and the article was actually taken down from out so we'll never see it again. There's no screen shots or anything. Congratulations first of all madonna's impact word reductive. Look it up. They just took a set from my cut like she did. Here's the thing if it is a gay outlet. I think you can form different sort of i don't wanna say bond but let camaraderie with the person you're interviewing and ask different sorts of questions but you're like in a way what this interview or did was take that and then jump too far you know because it is incredibly invasive this this is not the same thing at all but it reminds me of katy kirk asking laverne cox those invasive biological questions about trans women like what you're doing is taking something where you could google it. Basically making this person answer a sort of objectified. You know <hes> disorienting way when it's like there's so much there's so much stuff we can ask troy personally based on what he expresses in his music and you're asking these sort would've questions that aren't about his aren't about what he produces. It's just you and your weird ask jeeves curiosity. What bugs me most about this. Is that it further kinda like sensationalizes. The idea of gay men just existing. You know this line of questioning. I see how like you know. No we as a society. We've become desensitized to a lot like this. Line of questioning you know on one hand is like oh that's nothing but on the other hand it's like what exactly was the interviewer trying to get out of him especially with the shawn mendez and the will and grace just surface gaslight type question and also just bad questions like it seems like there was no outline to this interview. I don't know if he had like questions written down or if he was just pulling them out of a hat like out of his mental cap because it was just all over the place and it was just i dunno it's kind of it feels like stereotypical nonsense with no landing point. What was the intent and also specifically a lot of these questions. Just feel like the kinds of things gay guys discuss in tex- chains which is not the same the thing is we should be out there as an actual media question right. I was going to say that the familiarity of the questions sort of feed off of the fact that at twitter right now just sort of has this <hes>. There's not really align anymore lunch table conversation that we have in front of everybody we have have these conversations in front of everybody and media gays who are part <hes> who are like journalists well tweet about you know these things i know they'll they'll they'll tweet with porn stars to they'll tweet about whether they're a top or a bottom like jokingly with friends in twitter threads so i think it's what we talked talked about before <hes> in journalism and just how you know there needs to be extra steps taken <hes> and you just can't learn criticism from the the internet from like people dragging people on threads or like we talked about that babe dot com aziz thing about how like actual reporting needs to go into journalism or interviews <hes>. This seems like it's someone who got a job but maybe didn't know what interviewing people is like and also is just basically basically obsessed with a soundbite right all of the questions feel like just something you can fit into a tweet that would say something about troy savan that we can quote back to each other because he asked a straight man man if he likes the rock movies and you know like it. Just i don't know the line of questions. We'll do wayne johnson trying to get away from the rack. Yes <hes> i mean there is something to be said about. The fact that troy apparently did have a tweet that he deleted once when bloom came out <hes> he wrote like hashtag bops about bottoming <hes> aw but he deleted it <hes> i mean and the song is right. Take a trip into by guarded. Whatever it's about taking it sounds like it so it could what a nice way to say it colorfully artistic way to paint that picture bloom or route yeah <music>. I'm jack. I'm a harried guard. I just want everybody to have a good time off. Ah but there's something very different ed him having fun on social media then you know the professionalism that you would expect from an interview and also oh by the way there's still a way to have a productive conversation about explicitly bottoming that isn't just i need you to reveal something about yourself for my readers right. <hes> and i think it's also if you pick the right celebrity for that. If it's someone who is ben frank about sexual positions or whatever it's it's a part of their dogma than shore. Ask them that but just a pop star interviewing them. It depends because i don't think that people would ask like no one's asked that's like little kim and trina you know like the female rappers cardi b. Everything music bit a lot of places the and she's even been with a lot of different races different races watches break disappears in her mouth but but no one's asking her to elaborate on that no one's asking her to go into detail right. That's the point. I'm trying to make an interview. It reminds me of when nikki moniz was on watch. What happens live it great. Andy cohen asked her about andy peop- some question about whether she thought someone gave him a look back in titus so yes so inclusion i just feel like like the idea that the lines have been blurred so much on social media but tweed sort of who can write about culture and the way we talk about it with each other that there needs to be some sort of separation into corn when you're actually writing for an outlet on gate issue yeah right and just because it's not as taboo anymore to be a candidate horny thirsty person on twitter and that somehow that sometimes those tweets get picked up or you know. You may be applauded for writing those things that doesn't mean there <hes> it. It's journalistically astute way to start a conversation with the gay popstar. Yes sean if troy's savant had tweeted needed. I want shawn mendez to choke me right. Maybe then you can ask him about that. <hes> no anyone can wait for. Anyone interested me about me wanting a job because because sean i won't as doesn't like come out every like twice a year stating that he's not gay right. He's giving tons of interviews. I feel like this whole camila thing. Which i still think is a p._r. Thing but this whole thing is just why would you. I don't understand why you fan those flames after this guy has repeatedly it seems like like i said twice a year like hey. I'm not gay. I'm not gay like why rope him into this abusive. At this point borderline harassment <hes> i will say on the commune front a lot of people when you say that you think that relationship is a p._r. Move you're insisting that you think shawn mendez is gay. I am saying what we're saying. We are saying that the amount of times that they are in public and photographed around. It was a clear maneuver to get their joint song senorita to number one on the billboard. Can't you just enjoy the fact that in senior rita he says commie senorita seventy many times that's fine i will we're back keeping and we're back with our favorite. Segments of the episode and the saucy is part of the episode. This is keep it lewis. I'm gonna let chicago. I oh that's nice of you. Okay so my keep a bit. This week goes to society in general but for the most part of that netflix show for the most part. Okay okay so just to give you a little back story so <hes> back in the spring. Malaysia booker was a black transplant in oak cliff texas which is a suburb of dallas or part of dallas list and she was brutally attacked over a traffic incident and it was like a fender bender and then a month later like she she was healing and then a month later she was murdered and so the trial is starting for the guys that assaulted her because it went viral. I don't know if people had seen this video but it went it was like a group of men stomping her out took for since black women to come in and kinda save her <hes> and so as the trial is starting <hes> the attorneys who are defending ending the guy that is responsible for this beating they are insisting they petitioned the courts to have malaysia addressed by her birth name and so overall first of all thank you to the judge judge garcia who denied this motion but i'm just fed up with with people going out of their way to disrespect trans people in both life and death like this just seemed like a total total abuse of power. I get that the attorneys attorneys have a job to do. I totally understand that but this seems like just a disingenuous abuse of power and it's not fair to any of the parties involved because their their whole point in this is they're trying to make it seem like it was two men versus each other when it was him attacking malaysia off of like i said the fender bender and so oh just in general even if we can hearken back to dave chapelle the overall disrespect trans people being <hes> continuously used as this kind of social punching back for everything this constant parade of disrespect as it pertains to the community in particular the black girls in the community just needs to stop it needs to stop and i wish people would <hes> put a little bit more compassionate and a little bit more humanity even with their critiques translates much like gayness or anything. Nothing else is not really up for you to agree with people exist people have been here. Trans people have been here. People aren't going anywhere and so just this overall. We're all idea of we can just do say whatever we want and disparage. This marginalized group of people is just not right and it gets on my nerves so that that might keep it is to everyone who goes out of their way to disrespect trans people in particular in life and death. It also feels to me like not only. Is it an an unnecessary indignity. They're making this deceased. Woman suffered through it also seems like lawyers are trying to paint her through her translates as somehow dishonest. I mean like she had this other name. I mean yes and i don't know the logistics. I don't know if she ever had her name. Officially changed with this woman was living as a woman for years and her name was malaysia and she needs to be respected as such. You know <hes> it. Just it's like i said it's infuriating because it's like everywhere you turn. Every headline is something in posthumous. You know i can use that word. It's a word to be dramatic on a deep it three point three triple word score show pasta no it at it reminds me to <hes> neglected to mention the other week <hes>. I was very upset when here in downtown l._a. Wasn't at that restaurant loud weeks ago. During pride las perlas downtown <hes> like ejected did some trans women from the bar. After straight men were harassing them and what does this pose the reality show season one it it it really just surviving in this current political climate and and being trans enough and then it's just like listen the girls are just trying to get and the boys the non-conforming are just trying to get from point to point b. and we don't need this unnecessary nonsense and just do not and i will not probably never understand and why people go out of their way to <hes> kind of work to de-legitimize our experience like just because it's something that you may not understand or you don't care to understand google is there people are there to have conversations with if they feel like you know doing that labor around those conversations <hes> but but i just i'll never understand why people go out of their way to harm transpeople whether it be verbally or physically or whatever and i this case in particular is one very very close to my heart because you know we rooting for her. We thought you know she was here to stay. In literally four weeks later headline came across that she was gunned down so yes rest in peace malaysia and to hell with everyone who goes out of their way to disrespect transpeople. Well thank you thank you <hes> louis. What is your keep. Keep it. Keep its are deeply quaint so. I hope we're all onboard for some quainton us. We are okay. I just loved growing up with using mystery written by lewis for their smallish so i apologize. I things i keep it anyone saying because it's labor day or because it was labor labor day that summer is officially over you guys september is a summer month district because some of you are going back to school or you're getting your you know your your <hes> masters finally or whatever that doesn't mean summer's over for us particularly in l._a. Guys is mother fucking hot out. It is also the summer right everyone everyone i know in l._a. Particularly gays they've been doing their last thursday. Instagram's doing gay summer is over. Oh it's time for fall got a hope. You can find a pool in the next couple in l._a. It is ninety degrees all week legally summer diane keen season yet you know i think that a lotta people can flip this because you know memorial day is kind of looked at as the kickoff to barbecue season and then labor day is looked at as like the wrap up but those rules don't apply in los angeles precisely. We'll also just like <hes>. We also have things like calendars that tell us the father begins and i can see it right there. It's the twenty first. It's called the autumnal equinoxes so i will just wait for them to william's birthday. I believe oh yeah. I'm good knowledge to have follow boy 'cause it's grand theft autumn right and then secondly my keep it to the grim reaper who took a valerie harper the star of the more show from us this week <hes> here's the thing among celebrity deaths. This is the one maybe the number one celebrity. I was most prepared to leave us because she was diagnosed with brain cancer or something like think eight years ago now in two thousand twelve or so she went dancing with the stars as sort of the self-proclaimed farewell run. Whatever she glorious leach midseason <hes> no she was not on that seat that would have been really fantastic if they were though okay <hes> chloride still with us. Thank god she is just like ed asner on the mary tyler moore show just like betty wet in the mary tyler moore show <hes> and i just think in general i didn't see enough of a reaction on twitter about valerie harper. Oh this a couple of things. I will say that i was drunk most of labor day weekend when i saw your tweet tweet about mary tyler moore valerie harper i was like well. This isn't out of character for louis about mary himself <hes> but when i found out <hes> in the studio day i was heartbroken. I loved the mary tyler moore show and i love rhoda out. It was a wonderful spinoff that i don't think that we i don't think we paid attention to mary. Tyler moore show right now but we really don't pay enough attention to road which she got married and divorced yes married <hes> and ran through the streets of new york in her wedding dress wrote his wedding to part drama. <hes> i watched that show on nick at night <hes> oh yeah because they would air rhoda after they went to the rallies run hulu tulu. Yes yeah correct. I've been binging designing women. We can have a whole specific designing simple. Go there we we will do that once. I've marathon through it so then lewis and i will jump into into that. <hes> coup has rhoda yeah. Give it up but i would say that in an era before a time when you would have actual queer characters on the air road russia is the kind of person i would watch and want to be you know because she was one super sarcastic which is always gay bait but to in addition to that she was self possessed super super loving with mary and it just a friendship you believed and i feel like <hes> when i tweeted valerie harper somebody responded to my tweet with sarcastic people are deeply loving and that is the gift of that character you really threw her <hes> having a backbone and being and being <hes> frank with mary and calling her mayor all the time you just really got the sense that you're seeing somebody with a soul who was read as hal and like it made you think i mean specifically as a queer person like that's how i feel like i i would be that character on the show. Kathy griffin talks all the time about how she didn't want to be married growing up she wanted to be rota. Anna among you know the honorary gay male and female comedy. I think she's number one which is weird because i feel like if you dress more like mary then it's true the caps leaves. I'm wearing right now are actually one of the kids on family affair i <hes> i do find that star task people you know are very loving and fun to watch shows i mean for example with so much heart combined behind it at different from characters were just like demonic to each other yeah right <hes> yeah you believe their relationships because they could be so withering too because in a way the wholesomeness of the show was offset by the humor of the show and i think that mix is what makes the mary tyler moore show so great by the away i was just watching old episodes of mary tyler moore show that's a show in the nineteen seventies where betty white was still in her fifties. I mean it was pretty i mean when she was in college when she was doing ziegfield. I know yeah. I purposely brought up or it's science because i know you had to keep it for a <hes> the the astrology or are you pro astrology seriously. You know not in a serious but i do enjoy it in my pastime. Okay gotcha catching <hes>. I would say that we need more shows like that and more shows like happy. Endings were characters were sarcastic to each other but loved each other as opposed to. I think everyone is trying to make their own version of like. It's an it's always sunny which works for that show but you don't wanna watch comedies where it's exclude people hate each other to recognize each other no friends. It's nice to each other. That's what i mean. I still need. I always talk about this. I still need the show about gay friends where they they are v._p. Level mean to each other at all times because that is how it is <hes> this week. I'm going to switch it up a bit and i'm gonna keep it up. Oh my god you're optimism. Frightens me long <hes> my keep it up is to the my favourite album that come out this year <hes> norman fucking rockwell by lana del rey. She is the moment quite what's interesting about. Lada is that <hes> if you interact with her stands on social media <hes> when they're not <hes> <hes> just tweeting memes or not online because they've taken too much lost <hes> they will also insist that everything that she does is icon and the best album ever loss for life was not that and honeymoon had its moments but it was sort of a <hes> this this goes to the heights of ultra violence which i thought was her best album and it surpasses it. This is a beautiful album. <hes> it sounds great. <hes> it just feels personal in the way that we talked about taylor swift last week about how <hes> her songs are a bit like a douglas sirk melodrama. It's like it's not realistic. <hes> you get the sense of what she's trying to say <hes> but at no way does it feel personal or relatable. I mean this album. Does the fact that i love you is amazing. <hes> the opening track <hes> norman rockwell well <hes> california cinnamon girl a song <hes> with not the same as the print song. I assume it's not a cover. Can you believe it <hes> <hes>. It has the line like if you hold me without hurting me. You'll be the first whoever did which is such a chilling this from my diary. It was it is i also listen to this album with someone in new york that i am with how and it was very <hes> is it's very piercing to say the least so i i have gone through the gamut of emotions. Thanks a lot of delray and on on my flight back from new york. I listened to repeat. Oh my god i was about her when she came out. She was somebody who i don't. I don't wanna say dismissed by certain critics but was basic was pigeonholed as somebody buddy who has a kind of a woozy aesthetic always yes. I always say she somebody who seemed like she's recovering from a difficult nap l. performance. I felt it was the fact she's able to recovered from that performance and basically made a career out of that performance like this is who i yeah but what's interesting is is throughout the years. It's not like she ever really abandoned that feeling but she's injected it with so much more urgency what you're talking about here these lyrics that are specific pacific and <hes> commanding and i really applaud her for basically sticking to exactly who she is while advancing upon the idea of a friend described her as having performed instagram culture before other people were doing it and now the way very very what would it would have grown up on this kind of billy as you know. <hes> is still child. Yes <hes> she's on miss frizzle school bus right now. Thank you for you for your real life you for you know it's just that all all those things that she does now and the way that she's been presenting her music are how people present themselves on instagram and social media yeah just very over very mosul just very thing aloof but also just like <hes> sometimes <hes> like heart rendering a very fuck it was. It's just like opening like here. I am like opening so that was very freddie krueger of me but <hes> <hes> again we stand people who give us albums because again albums continue to be a dying art as much as we celebrate. I'll say we celebrate a new one every three months. Yes yes <hes>. This is an album that feels like an album. It feels like a moment. <hes> and i don't think we give her enough credit to for being just a fucking fantastic song writer yeah. She's fabulous so we have me wanting to check it out. As oprah would say that is a religious experience lot of del rey is sister. I never had the mother and the friend that everyone does breath. Don't know i go and continue doing what you do. Del rey mary the see uh-huh like she's somebody who's very like you know like she'll have an entire about how she died at the beach. You know whatever intrigue about her. I honestly you know would never wish on a del ray <hes> l. but i hope i'm still allowed to listen to her posthumous album. Oh yeah. I think we already have a couple of them. Yes yes her ghost writing to wear she's casper's at that's our show <hes> we will see you next week. Thank you shar for joining us. Thanks house. Which view host would you like to view is back is joy behar anti joy. I love joy out of all of the girl inside. I like sunny halston joy in sunny. Okay cool a joy with with the sunny rising. Thank you randall park for being here as well. We'll see you next week. Keep it as a product of crooked media. Carolina reston is our producer. Our editor is sarah barrett and kyle. 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The "Monetize Our Pain" Edition

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The "Monetize Our Pain" Edition

"Hello slate listeners, help us make a better sleep for the future by answering. Our survey, it will only take a few minutes and you can find that at slate dot com slash survey. The following podcast contains explicit language. Welcome to the waves for Thursday, June sixth, the monetize, our pain edition. I'm Marsha Chatwin a history, professor at Georgetown University, and I'm Nicole Perkins writer and co host of thirst aid kit. And I'm Kristen minds are writer and co host of by the book this week on the podcast we'll be talking about mentor vacation fem tack and the net flicks. Rom com. Always be my maybe. And in our slate plus segment, we'll be asking. Is it sexist to call men creators, and women influencers? And here's a stink peak of what we talked about, and I have to say that parallel to the self help universe is the influence our universe, and in the van diagram, they frequently overlap with each other. But in the self help universe, women authors, usually just own the name, self help author men. Call themselves productivity authors business authors. They call themselves anything other than self help, which I think, is interesting key. So I up mentor fixation. Nicole, why don't you tell us what this word means and where we see it happening? Mitch affiliation is a play on the word gentrification, which is what happens when people of a certain demographic move into a neighborhood and pushed out the original people in the neighborhood to quote improve it to take advantage of the groundwork. That's already been laid as far as building the neighborhood and the community. And then these people move in, and they kind of want to change things from, what attracted them in the first place. So Mitch affiliation is what happens when a typically female centered fandom gets taken over by men, and then, you know, men become spokespeople for these types of phantoms or pop culture movements. And this is a very fascinating subject for me because I had not realized the extent in which men sometimes take over certain things. In kind of put their own stamp on it. Even the women were the ones to, you know, bring these items to American cultures attention. And in an article in the guardian by van bottom. She talks about the ways that mentor vacation has happened in the development of the computer in the consumption of beer and beverages. In the acceptance of boy bands from the Beatles to one direction. And so the question about, you know what does it mean when men's interest in something, make it more legitimate? Have you seen that and some of the pop culture things that you follow? Oh, I see it everywhere. I mean, I specifically see it in things like the rise of food culture. Actually, I think about how home cooking and frequently kitchen, drudgery has been put on women for most of history. And as soon as a man starts doing it. He's considered a chef. And most of chefs spaces are dominated by men, and we see it in home decor. We have women who've been essentially just being called homemakers for setting up their homes for generations. And then you have somebody like Nate burqas or Bobby Burke, both of whom I love by the way, who are doing it and suddenly, it's called home decor. Instead and we see in fashion. Likewise, women have had to so for years, and then the men come in and suddenly, it's considered high fashion when it's Oscar de LA Renta or somebody else who identifies as male. And so, I feel that this has been something that's been going on for centuries. If not millennia, but I've never heard the word metrification until now in it makes so much sense. Like this is. Exactly what's happening in all of those spaces right in the guardian article it mentions the Beatles and the Beatles are kind of like the foundation for Fanta for teenage girls losing their minds and creating this kind of wave and pop culture that everyone has to pay attention to this particular thing, because it's like, why are all these girls going crazy over this band? But now, the Beatles are this. You know, if you don't like the Beatles, and that means you have poor taste in music. Right. And, and it becomes this kind of marker for men to prove how exquisite and how elite their taste in music is before it was like, oh, here's this band, that just shakes their hair and drives a girls, all crazy. So seeing that put in that framework just blew my mind because I had I it was something that had completely gone over my head, and it wasn't all that's right. That's right. Same with Elvis. You know, Elvis was driving women crazy to the point that he couldn't even have his hip shown on. On TV. Right. And so now if you're really into blues rock, if you're really into a particular type of classic rock, you're going to lift up, Elvis, Presley, as you know, an, it's mainly men who are lifting him up. And so I just find that very interesting. And I'm, I'm so happy to see that this kind of discussion is taking place in someone is calling attention to it because it's fascinating to me when we talk about mentor vacation of popular culture, it mirror, something that happens in the history of a lot of professions. If you're like me, you read a lot of history of profession books. And if you think about careers in nursing the movement from midwives to OBGYN's being the authority on childbirth and pregnancy. If you look at some sectors of education, it's really interesting to see how there's these shifts from a highly feminized profession to a masculine is one or masculine is when that becomes. And what happens when you have those shifts is, when it's considered a women's professional track it loses status and access to power. And so one of the things I think, is really interesting when we talk about shortages, so there's a nursing shortage in the United States. And so now more young men are entering nursing school. So I think the perception of nursing will change if that continues to grow. And so when we think about what gives something legitimacy or what gives something weight or strained. It's always about making very clear where women's labor exists and where men's genius or innovation is allowed to rise. And in this article about mentor vacation, and some other stuff that we read on the topic. A lot of it has to do with kind of the hidden world of tech. I think the movie Hidden Figures did a really good job of showing that they're all of these women, particularly black women in that. Move me who were, you know, the driving engine to a lot of scientific discovery. But they're always written outside of the frame, and I think it's so interesting. When we think about the concerted efforts that have been made to try to bring more women into stem and tech that is predicated on rethinking the history that has always normalized, or naturalise men's relationship to technology. I'd be interested in learning. More about the history of teaching because teachers used to be, you know, mostly men be they would be the teachers, you know, back back in the day, and then once society in quotes decided to devalue teaching and, you know, the salary wasn't great, then it became something that women kind of started to take over. So I would be interested in reading more about that as well. Because I think this that phenomenon could also apply into maybe not MRT, but I don't have some kind of reverse of. That where men abandoned it because it was no longer valued in a certain way. And then it became you know, a woman's occupation. So I would love to learn about that. I think it goes both ways and to go back to the computer world. I think it's really interesting that one of the pieces that we read this week in preparation for today's episode was talking about how software was a woman thing hardware was a man thing hardware is difficult software. Is it doesn't require any thinking women are really good at repetitive. Tasks. It's not that different from typing. And I think that's really interesting. When the shift happened, I think in the eighties where suddenly men were considered very good at software and women may maybe women just shouldn't be anywhere near computers, period. They shouldn't so I, I agree that, that realm is very interesting. And with teaching I also agree because I think there was a certain point where a man who taught was a scholar, and then as soon as you abandon it, it's. Not as prestigious anymore men. Women are doing it now. So it's not as important. Well, I also think that, you know, in regards to conversations we've had about, you know, these ideas about work life, balance, and women in the workplace, and families and all of these things. There's a way that careers are also kind of position to be what we say, family friendly. But I think that's a euphemism for jobs that are considered either low prestige, or low engagement so that women can do their second and third shifts in the in the household. And so it's a really weird thing when I hear people talk about how, you know, being a teacher is so family friendly because women have summers off, as if the kind of labor that they're doing during the school year isn't really intensive and really isn't pulling them in many directions. And I think that when we talk about mentor fixation it like gentrification it's all about a racing. What came before? And so, you know, I live in Washington DC. You, you. No, you folks are in New York, you see this everywhere, right? A hip new neighborhood has been discovered, you know, the New York Times article about places that have had populations for centuries. And they'll say the new, you know, whatever the new Bronx new Brooklyn, whatever. And so it's all about a ratio, and I think that erasure is so strategic and when it happens so seamlessly it can make people very confused as to where they fit, and where they belong. And so in, in this article about mentor vacation, they talk about it in terms of pop culture, where folks also can just reinvent themselves as something more serious, or less serious or more deep or less deep and that back story gets completely lost. Yup. Absolutely. In terms of the work at self the value of the work that gets raised, and also I was thinking about how one of the pieces, we read talked about novels and specifically, how. All the women who used to consume novels were considered frivolous. How women were erased essentially from the world of great writing at a certain point. And to the point where Wikipedia at one point had a section called great American novels and a section called great American books by women. They just tend to different sections entirely. They weren't even combined and women were just a raced from it entirely because suddenly high art, great literature was written by men and women were relegated to the side, when originally we were considered frivolous for, like, ingrate writing, or making rating for that matter. Right. And I, you know, I think you know, we're talking about minimum mentor fixation, and I think we also need to recognize that sometimes that phenomenon is internalized by women as well. I'm thinking of a recent article was on Jez Abell, jagged little pill is actually very bad. Bye, Tracy Clark flory and. This essay is about going back and relisting to jagged little pill, and you'll Lantis more settled the Alanis Morissette album and the author thinks that it's not a good album. And you know, part of what she does she compares it to she compared to her liking it too. What her husband likes and her husband likes according to her Fleetwood MAC miles Davis and the beach boys, you know, and she names these things in order to show that her taste in music is not great, right? Because she's like my taste in music is pretty much either. What the cool kids were listening to back in middle school or contemporary, top forty and she, she specifies to pox all eyes on me and Ranas anti. And I felt some kind of way that she named they, you know, two black artists as the ring as examples of how terrible her taste in music is. But the fact that her husband supposedly, has such good taste, because he listens to Fleetwood MAC and the beach boys, which, you know. I'm not because I like Fleetwood MAC. I like the beach boys. But also, they also kind of like beach boys. We're also considered a boy band at one point. Yeah. They were also just kind of like considered to have silly lyrics and nonsensical. And they were just, you know, whatever a lot of people didn't understand them. And so to raise them up onto the elite level of musicality I don't you know, I don't know. So all to say I think, you know, sometimes we just kind of think if a man did it, it must be the best thing in the world. If a man thinks this good is the best thing in the world. And that's, that's not always the case, you know that we always have to kind of examine, why we like, what we like, you know, and look beyond this is just what was fed to us and go deeper than that. So I that always struck me. And I, I still remember this article this article came out in March March twenty fifth too. Thousand nineteen and I still think of it this time, like, oh, your husband liked the beach boys. He so radical. Okay. I think the you know, what's interesting with the beach boys and the Beatles, their transition one could see from boy band to seriousness is their own kind of different cell fashioning. And I think that there's something kind of interesting about taste making versus money-making. And sometimes they don't cohere, and so there are a lot of tastes makers at may want to suggest that something's more elevated. So when the Beatles started incorporating. You know, Asian sounds and started doing different types of experimentation became more psychedelic, this might have been about them being serious, but at the end of the day, they're still generating a lot of revenue among a population. That's not taken seriously. So, you know, the cabbage patch doll if to date myself. Was all about the kind of elevation of tween culture and its commodification, boy bands, they earn a lot of money. And even if something isn't considered good taste, it is valuable in this different way. And I think a lot about metrification is about deciding who's taste can dictate what's considered elevated. But at the end of the day, the things that are really earning money is a lot on the buying power and interest of teenage girls, and young women and women who are interested in popular culture. So it's really interesting mismatch, that, again, I think really kind of obscures some of the dynamics of the pop culture marketplace, and women have always been consumers. Absolutely. I, I mean, historically speaking, especially in postwar America, we were relegated to that role. We would be sold products while soap operas were on, while men went off and they did the work supposedly. What you want to call work in quotes and women have been known to have buying power, but not taste supposedly, is such an interesting disconnect, and then men don't buy things, but they have the taste it really. You know there are so many things that don't quite connect here. 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Those are some of the questions that have been raised as a result of fem, tech apps, and different extensions that can be used to track your health, as you try to plan, a family, monitor changes in your hormone levels, and this data, which is provided as a service through healthcare partners is sometimes made available to employers. And so the question about fem tack that has emerged as new organizations have been tied to some anti choice, researchers and organizations, is can we trust the health information that's being delivered through our phones while I just want to say, first and foremost, I have been using an app like this for years for as long as I've been with my husband and he I, I in perspective. Yes. And yes, and it was his idea, because he thinks that rightly so that all of the responsibility of preventing pregnancy is put on women or ninety nine percent of it. And he said, I want to be an active contributor in this to help. Would you mind if I downloaded an app, and I can help track your period, and I can help keep track of things so that it the onus doesn't have to be on you one hundred percent. And so I think the fact that this is something that men can be involved with also to help out I shouldn't even say help out, but take their take their responsibility role. Seriously? I value that. And I think that women's bodies, we've been, otherwise for most of medical history and men have been treated as the status quo. Are you eighteen to thirty five and a white man? We're gonna study your sleep patterns. We're gonna study your appetite. We're going to study the way you respond to chemotherapy and we're going to pay attention to how you display a heart attack. Women have been so other iced for so long that. I don't think it's a totally bad thing that technology companies are suddenly paying attention to us. So I just want to get that out of the way, I think there are certain good aspects to all of this. Yeah, I use to apps at the same time just to track by period. I'm not in family planning part of my life at all. But I use them to track my period, and I used to, because I just like to see which one is going to be right when it comes to predicting when my period is coming and things like that. And but I will say that I did not sign up for an account for either of them for a very long time. I would just kind of like keep, you know, just keep going so it wasn't getting backed, you know, my information wasn't being backed up. It wasn't being sent anywhere, which is pretty much just on my phone, but I did recently create an account for one of the apps, just because I was like, I'm gonna lose my information, and I don't want to have to deal with this all over again. But I noticed one complaint that I have is that one of the apps is definitely. Focused on pregnancy and fertility and the others just kind of like known just put in your info, if you want to, you know if you're trying to get pregnant, that's fine. So that was a little off putting for me. And like what if I don't wanna have children? What if I don't necessarily want to check my fraternity, I just wanna make sure that my period is arriving when it's supposed to I'm just concerned about this, because when I had a fulltime job, I used I did one of those wellness programs where they kind of track everything that you do your workplace too. Yeah. My workplace did that. And I, I, I was like like the people in the various articles that we looked at today. I, I, I was kind of, like, I don't want my job knowing how much food. I eat. Are, you know, when I'm walking are, you know, that kind of thing, but then they will like, well if you join, then you'll get a discount on this particular service. And so I did it and I felt bad about it. You know. And then I started getting those little reminders, like you know, here's your goal. Did you meet? This goal. And I was like, I don't want my job, you know, reminding me that I'm supposed to be losing weight here. So it was really weird. I see all of that. You know connected and I don't I'm glad that, you know, as a freelancer, I don't necessarily have to deal with that aspect though. I would love some insurance right now. But I think you know, it is there's so much pressure. If you are a woman if you identify as a woman, to still put all of your reproductive, health out there for the world to see, you know, whether it is fighting the abortion bans are the incoming abortion bans are talking about your periods and stuff. We just have to expose ourselves so much. And I don't think men have to talk about their reproductive health in the same kind of way. And it's, it's a very frustrating part of life right now. I totally understand that. But to go back to what I was saying, because we've been other ice for so long. I'm glad that we're talking about it. Even if sometimes it feels that we have. Talk about it too much. But I want to go back to what you were saying about your work monitoring. You. I am really uncomfortable with that, and Marsha. You open to this whole segment talking about how, how much information is too much information to give. And I to me, it's not how much information I'm giving. It's who's using it, and how that's the bigger issue. I'm happy to give a whole bunch of information to my doctor. If it's going to help me be better cared for I'm happy to give it to an app if it's going to help my health in some way, but it depends on what's being done with that information, and these are companies and companies wanna make money. So that means in a lot of cases, they're going to be selling that information or maybe using it so other people can make money off of us. Like our employers trying to save money on health insurance for us and so on. And that's a little uncomfortable. The logic of all of the health and wellness programs about reducing healthcare costs as well as creating an environment for maximum. Productivity among the people who work there. And so on one hand you can see it as a benevolent gesture on the part of your employer. But I don't think that ever really happens. But what does it but what does it mean then for all of these apps in these different types of tools that keep us disconnected from actually seeing a doctor, and I'm one of the worst people in this way, I never go to the doctor, you know, unless I feel like I need something I need a physical for something else, or I'm so sick. Sometimes I'll go to urgent care rather than going to my regular doctor. And so when you were using an app. Kind of for some of these purposes of getting information, I think the question about whether the information's accurate and does it come with an agenda, is something that has come up with the fem app, which apparently has been tied to a lot of anti-choice researchers and is apparently promoting the rhythm as a method of birth control which we know is not as effective as implanted birth control. And so there's these different ways that I think we have access to a lot of information there being filtered through these different apps and they're disconnecting people from talking to other people, and I don't know if that's good or bad. Because I also know that they're real challenges for healthcare, especially around issues of reproductive health in getting really good care. And so I'm not quite sure if this type of technology is making us better or worse, or if it's just an extension of the kind of disconnections and problems in the healthcare. Delivery system while I mean, I'm curious about how much of this ties into our health insurance crisis in America, and how many of us feel that we have access to good healthcare. How many of us can afford health insurance home any of us now because of the rise of the gig economy don't have health insurance provided by employers. And if we don't have those things, what can we do to help save ourselves and is at the technology's fault, or is it that we live in a system. Now that doesn't want to take care of it citizens, and, or that wants to, but that employers, don't want to help us anymore, and is it a tool to help those of us who don't have other resources available to us. Oh, I mean, again, there's good and bad to this. And I don't wanna I I'm afraid, I'm coming out to sound like I'm one thousand percent in support of all these technologies. And I'm not because you know, as you were saying, Marcia, some of these technologies are tied in with organizations that I don't agree with I'll, I'll just come out and say it. Loud many, many times before, anti-choice organizations. I don't want to be associated with. That's not my position, but I do think there's both good and bad to this. Which is the tough part. I can't come out, just on. This is all evil either. Right. I think in the way that we were just talking about how we are having more conversations about these things there still is a level of shame and embarrassment when talking about for Tilleke struggles or facility challenges. And so a lot of people want to handle that as privately as possible. And so sometimes that means just having an app that they, you know, are putting their data into and communicating only with between their partner until they have something more. And then there's also this idea of because I'm a part of that gig economy. I don't have anybody that I can necessarily keep going to, to check in on about my health. So I'm definitely a Google her. I am definitely someone who is like looking for. The forums and things like that to talk about certain things to, to get help. And so in the I guess I'm in the same boat is Kristen is just like I don't agree that my information should be processed in order to create some sort of anti-choice propaganda or whatever is going on. But I do recognize why it's important to have these kinds of things that are private and that you're able to just, you know, talk with amongst, your partner, amongst, your doctor. And you have the data right? There is much more easily accessible. And I think that's another part of it too, that before the apps, some, too, I would just forget stuff, like, I don't have a wouldn't Mark down on a calendar when my period was our whenever I had this particular kind of twins or anything like that. And so when I go to the doctor, I felt very stupid. He know like the your stay of your last. I don't know. I mean. So being able to just say, give me a second. Let me pull out my phone or you know, preparing for that a little bit beforehand that has been very helpful. So the apps aren't helping me for. Sure. And I know they help other people. But again, it's just very frustrating to know that, you know, you're putting this information, and that's why you're getting all these ads on Instagram because somebody, you know, out in the cloud is people put. You know, all of your stuff. I think the ads part, though is the part that can get very complicated because there are people who will announce a pregnancy on Facebook and get a lot of ads for baby things, and if that pregnancy and in a loss other miscarriage or stillbirth, they're still getting these ads. And so some of the apps, try to, you know, capture the information if the pregnancy does not, and with the birth of a baby who remains alive tries to kind of take that in consideration, and allows you to reset your data and, you know, delete the app and come back when you're ready. And so there's a wave that the technology can anticipate a lot of what our commercial needs will be from that information. But it's so sensitive, and I know people who've had this experience where, you know, they start googling baby stuff, and then. When they have a pregnancy loss, and then they're still getting that stuff. And so the question is, what, what do we feel comfortable in terms of the exchange for that information if we're not comfortable with our employer having it is, okay? For bye, bye, baby or target to give us coupons in exchange for information about our family planning goals, or for these companies that you can do straight home delivery for tampons is that a problem that they have personal information about us. I don't mind being advertised to as far as tampons go, or period underpants, or any of those other things, obviously pregnancy loss and being advertised baby items during I mean, that's just painful, and horrible. That's terrible. I accept that we live in a universe now that we're going to receive target ads. We're all going to receive targeted ads. I mean not just not just target. I loved that storm, but, and I accept that, but some. Of the ads, no matter what are just gonna be horrible. And I learned a little trick the other day from a friend of mine, she said, just change, your gender identification on all your social media, and you'll no longer get any ads that are waiting pay gauging that are diet related that are fertility related. And so I did that and it's a whole new world. It's beautiful people. It is beautiful. I did not know you could do that. It's fantastic. Any any who I I'm sure that some of these companies just heard that now we're gonna come work around. One thing that I dislike about all of this fintech, it's that it seems so focused on reproductive health, and it seems to be just about, you know, are you trying to have a baby, if so, here's this. But there's very little that in this kind of speaks to medical research in general, but there's little that deals with actual painful ministration, you know, whether you're having difficulty with your cycle and other ways, and this idea that, if you're having a period, you're supposed to have pain, and, you know, you have to deal with it for sometimes twenty years before someone diagnose, you with a disorder and, you know, the clouds kind of clear up for you. We go through other things other than just trying to have children, you know, and I think that fintech needs to if there's someone out there. I don't know who wants to monetize our pain in a different way. Can you look into that for us, please? You know, because I know that I went I've talked about this before on the waves. But I've gone through you think it was like it was it took me about fifteen twenty years before I was diagnosed with P, C, O S, and after doctors just kept ignoring me, and it can only me and just telling me, you know, get on birth control or just take this whatever, and it's like, but if you had paid attention to me, I wouldn't have to suffer for this so long. I think this also points to something we've talked about before is like this is what happens when you have really bad, sex education in schools. And again, just like you know, the, the ads that are targeted and I get a lot of them or about fertility because the, you know, all of my apps assume for something that is a problem for me as women of a certain age. And so I get a lot of ads about fertility and just like your signal, there's a lot of things that people need information on similarly when we think of sex education people off. Think of it as for people who are anti, you know, it's, it's giving young people, the idea to have sex as if that needs to be introduced, but when we think about it, holistically understanding the human body and all its complexities is also part of the possibility. And so if we had really good sex education, and we had really good health care, perhaps this industry, wouldn't need to go to these great lanes to engage people about their, their human processes. And so I think that fem tack is going to get a lot of attention as some of these companies make a lot of money in funding rounds, and they're so good at design, and they make everything sleek. You know, when they talk about millennial focused tampon companies it's like what are you talking about? But it's true. Right. There's an aesthetic you know, it's there's a lot of cartoons, or whatever it is that makes it so appealing that this world is really built upon some. Some of the failures and cracks and other systems and one of the articles that we looked at it talked about the company Cora which has tampons pads, things like that. And they're in target now and I recently purchased some of the products from target not knowing anything about it. I just saw that is supposed to be, you know, a healthy alternative, and I used it and I. I did not into him. I experienced a with the product that I use. And I think, you know, since reading this that it is because it is not made for me, as a mature woman, that is definitely targeted towards a younger group of people. And so when something is targeted towards millennials, you know, with the pink or with whatever I'm just like, okay, that's obviously something that I cannot use like some things, I'm just like it doesn't matter what age group, you're in, you should be able to use tampons, whatever. But clearly this is not the case for this product. So I'm concerned also about the lack of recognition for, you know, people are using product, Mr. products well into their fifties. Sometimes in. So there doesn't seem to be a market for that. And I think that is another place that people could kind of pay a bit more attention to that. You know, people do get a little older and they still have their periods. And it'll be. Nice if, if people out there in the world could remember that, and maybe these apps, you know, there are fifty year olds who are also using technology fifties and sixty year olds we're using this kind of technology, and we should also be paying attention to their needs as well. So it's not just eighteen to thirty four year old people out there that, you know, need these things again, if anybody wants to keep making money off of our discomfort. There you go. I think I think that's a good place to wrap listeners. Do you use apps to track your health? Are you concerned about your privacy? And the accuracy of the information you receive please tweet us or send us an Email at the waves at slate dot com. Do you love discovering new products? Are you obsessed with beauty and fashion? And always looking for the next best thing. Have you ever read something online that you've always wanted to try, but aren't sure if you want to commit then you must must must check out fab fit fun. 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Kristen, tell us what you thought about always be my maybe. Yes. So first of all, just a little summary of the movie Allie Wong, and Randall park play to childhood best friend slash next door. Neighbors and their names are Sasha and Marcus and Sasha's parents work all the time all the time at a convenience store, so she's frequently over at his house and learning how to cook from his mom and getting all of the love from them that she's not really getting at home. And as they grow older from being ten to twelve and finally, in highschool, they, you know, explore their feelings a bit and things get awkward in a tryst. In the backseat of a car, and then they don't see each other again for many, many, many years, and then they reunite in their mid thirties. And at this point, she is a celebrity chef she's wildly famous and respected. She is opening a new restaurant in San Francisco, which notably. She was living in LA for a while. But both of them grew up in San Francisco and San Francisco's kind of a character in this movie. So that's why bring it up and they reunite. And while she is wildly famous and successful he is essentially the stereotypical Judd, appetito, bro. He still lives at home with his dad. He is stoned a lot. He's in a band, and he he's not very ambitious. And these two former best friends, try to reunite as friends, but maybe something more and then along the way, there's all those things that happen, a romantic comedy, are they going to get together? Are they not what's gonna stand in the way? Oh, no. It's Keanu Reeves. He's going to stand in the way. So. There's lots of you know, will they are won't pay. And then, of course, we all know what happens at the end of every romantic comedy. And I won't give it away more than that. But I think we all know what happens. So that's the general summary of things, and I just have to say, I really enjoyed this movie, and I am a little bit biased because I am a rom com person I've always loved rom coms, a lot of them have the same problems. A lot of them have, you know, a lot of them are fifteen minutes too long. I think this movie's fifteen minutes too long. A lot of them are predictable, but I'm okay actually with being predictable. I think that's part of what makes them and delicious is, you know, we know what's going to happen, but it's how it happens. But there are also a lot of unique things about this. I don't recall an Asian American romantic comedy film that has I mean, maybe they exist, but I know that in my experience of watching rom coms by the thousands, I, I don't recall one like this at all. And the characters do all sorts of things in this movie that I don't exp. Effect rom com characters to do, for example. I think that the men in romantic comedies often are just there to pursue, and they don't have any of their own arc. And in this movie, it's a little transgressive because Randall perks character actually does have an arc. He actually does have to change himself in certain ways. And that makes it interesting Randall parks, family, by the way, nobody has accents, and that is, as an Asian American person who gets tired of seeing one version of Asian Americans being depicted in all of us have accents, which by the way, there's nothing wrong with having an accent. But there are so many other ways to be Asian American other than to be the people what the accent. And frankly, I also think that Randall parks character even though he's I don't wanna use the word loser. But he's, I'm he's, he's not the superstar that alleyways character is it's refreshing to see that too. We don't see guys living at home with their parents who are Stoner's where Asian dudes, usually. In the movies, even though there are all over America. They're everywhere. So there are a lot of things that are refreshing about this movie, but, you know, I'd love to hear what other people have to say about it. Yeah, I loved Marcus's father, who's played by James Saito Tim, and what I love about this father and about his mother, Judy Chris dimension. They didn't have an accent, but we see Judy making Korean dishes. And I think that's really important for people to see, maybe, particularly for white Hollywood to see as that you can be in touch with your heritage, your ethnic heritage and not necessarily be an immigrant. And I thought that that was very refreshing. I thought that was so well done that you have these people who are very modern who are here, but they're also again in touch with their culture. So I really loved that I love that. We see so many Asian extras in the background. You have San Francisco which is a beautiful place and you have all these. Who look like they live in San Francisco. And that think that is amazing. And it doesn't something like that. Just doesn't get the recognition that it deserves as often as it should one of the things I also loved about this film in, in the way that alley Wong and Randall park. Talk about it because they're talking about the history of wrong coms, and not seeing an Asian American rom com in the way that we see when Harry met Sally, but they also bring up boomerang, which was the Eddie Murphy and Holly berry. Yes is so good. And because a lot of times when you see these lists on, you know, online are people do these Twitter threads naming their favorite wrong calms. They're very, very white. They're very, you know, Julia Roberts and Cameron Diaz in all which are fine. That's great. But there are also other people who have made rom coms. So I, I'm so glad that alley Wong Randall park are talking about the different wrong comes at influence them, that aren't just a when Harry met Sally, or. Pretty Woman or whatever. So I, I really love that the few times that I have seen Asian American people in rom coms. It's almost always an Asian woman with a white dude. Yeah. Yeah. And Asian men are not allowed for the most part in American culture to be sexy to be desirable to use some language. You might be familiar with to induce thirst. Yes. And yeah. And of course, they're sexy of. But the idea that an entire like half of the world's population can't be considered sexy, or romantically. Interesting to anybody has it's just shocking, how long that's been allowed to happen. Right. And alley Wong's character, Sasha got to be with three Asian minutes movie. Okay. And they're all beautiful. She starts off with Daniel day Kim's character who was such a douche. Oh, he was terrible. And then obviously Randall park, we see him and then surprise kion Reeves, which, you know, several people don't know that Kiana Reeves has a his father is Chinese Hawaiian. So he is he does consider himself, a person of color, and, you know, he is often coated as widen his film. So I understand some people whatever, but there was a recent article and vulture where Allie Wong and Randall park, talks about the reason they included Kiana not only because he's amazing but they also want to reclaim his Asian heritage and heritage and make sure that people are aware that he does have Asian heritage. So here is Sasha alley Wong's character with these three poodle fantastic men, and there is a very steamy love scene between. I don't I don't think that's a spoiler because I mean, there's a between Sasha and Marcus. And it was so well done. I thought you know, me I, I think it could have been a little longer. But, you know whatever that. Fifteen minutes. Yeah. On. But what really struck me is the way that Marcus Randall park held his own against kiono, reef Keanu, who has been a pop culture God for thirty years. He came on the scene as this beautiful lush haired, young man. I don't know if you could tell, but I love Kiat very much, by the way. Nicole screensaver on her phone is counter Reeves. Yes. But there was a moment where there was like, not confrontation. But the two men meet the exchange some. Yeah, there's a little just a little testosterone flying in the room and Randall park held his own. So imagine anybody in the world being able to compete with Keno and there it is like it was it was just a really good film on your unbiased opinion it, my unbiased opinion. Yes. So if I can say this, somebody can, you know, actually go toe to toe with Kano, then that means that their job well, done, well, I usually hate everything, and I really loved this movie. Because I loved the politics of it, that were subtle in clear, and just because I will claim this as a victory of someone as someone who teaches African American history that a Randall park has a master's degree in Asian American studies and Ellie Wong majored in Asian American studies as an undergraduate at UCLA. And so, I feel like if you know, one of the professors is out there watching this movie. They're so proud of the ways that they were able to not only do the kind of things that you were talking about in terms of the representation, but to really kind of call out some of the politics of San Francisco of gentrification of displacement in ways that fit within the frame of comedy. You know, one of the things that I think, has been interesting in reading the articles about this is a lot of people have gestured towards crazy. Rich Asians as being this box office hit. But one of the things I think was missing in that movie where some interesting. Talk about politics and some of the political tensions that emerge in that movie, and I love how they talk about what has happened in San Francisco and displacement, and the really uneasy ways that Ellie Wong's character kind of fits into a type of performance of food and culture. And I think some people in the food space of said, you know, how, how dare she talk about authenticity in this way about food. But I think it's relevant and important the other thing I really love about this movie is the way that like you said, the parents were not, these caricatures of immigrant, parents or Asian parents that the parents were allowed complexity and they were really funny. And so there's some I think there's some in group jokes about Asian parents at may have gone over my head and at the same time, I liked the fact that the parents were not so rigid with their kids and rejecting in this kind of hide. Drama way, that the tropes of something like Joy Luck Club infiltrates into popular culture that the parents were people in these really fun and dynamic ways that worked with the story and worked with their relationship with their kids. And so I just adored this movie. I like the fact that her best friend was a person of mixed race. Like there was something about the way that they were telling a story about Asian Americans in San Francisco, but not also forgetting that there are other groups of color that make up the culture of San Francisco as well. And so I just and I just didn't joined it. I hate cute movies, just so cute. I really did. And I liked the fact that they were in their thirties, when they reconnected, not their twenties. And I also think this movie did something that a lot of movies don't do a very good job with in capturing the deep awkwardness of their first sexual encounter. There is some. Thing about it. That wasn't romanticized that I think was really healthy and normal, and good for a romantic comedy that this wasn't this kind of incredibly passionate experiences, young people. It was weird and then they were weird with each other. Because I think a lot of young people experience that after having a sexual experience with someone. And so I think that they really just did it, they were just really attentive to what people are actually like versus using the rom com template for all of the, you know, elements of the story. Yeah. And, you know, the movie is just delightful. And I do think that it is probably net. Flicks. Is best original film right now. I think in what they're doing. It's just it's just so well done. I, I also think that there could have been more room for Allie, Wong's sharper humor because she's she has a very sharp biting humor. She's, you know, some. A little acidic, but in a funny beautiful way like she's just so sharp, I love baby Cobra her stand up on Netflix is hilarious. And I would have liked to have had more of that. But I think their character did not give room for that. But it's just a really good movie. I've seen it twice already. I made a friend of mine watch it. Who does not enjoy rom coms. And he said, the same thing he was like okay, that was really good. So I if there's anyone out there who does not like rom coms. This would be a good introduction. You know, a good way to change their mind. Maybe to say okay, this is really cute. And I also felt it was realistic, like what you were saying Marcia about these people reconnecting, and there's still some awkwardness because they're you know, they're remembering their history and they're trying to move on. But also, we're no longer eighteen or thirty four however old and two different people, you know from that time. And so it gave them room to figure each other out and. I really liked that one last thing. I just wanted to throw in here. We've talked a lot about representation in this conversation and one thing we haven't mentioned yet. Is that the diversity of Asian nece that's represented in this because we have a character who comes from a Vietnamese family, one from Korean family? They go to Cantonese restaurant. There are so many different kinds of Asian people in this Asian people are not a monolith in it, and that's also really refreshing, because there are so few films with Asian American people. And when there are, it's usually just a monolith of this is just a tiny little corner of Chinatown in this one city. And this is so much broader than that, and it just shows how diverse America is not just Asian Americans, but America's such a diverse place in it's showing all the different ways to be American as well. That is a great place to finish listeners. Did you see always be my maybe what did you think tweet at us or send us an Email at the waves at sleep dot com? All right recommendations, what do you want to recommend to listeners this week? Alco I I'm going to plug project six one five, which six one five is the area code for Nashville, which is where I'm from project. Six five is an online apparel store there. Also, some physical locations in Nashville, Tennessee. But what they do is they use the money from your purchases to help people recover from homelessness addiction mental illness they provide meals. They help come back human trafficking. They assist orphans who are living in poverty. So they do a lot of really good with the proceeds from the sales. So if you are in Nashville, if you know someone in Asheville, if you know, anyone from Tennessee, if you're a big, Tennessee titans fan, or you love the Nashville predators. It's the which is the hockey team. There's plenty of stuff there for you. And also just kind of like little snow. Archy things about downtown construction, because Nashville has been going through its own series of gentrification of the last few years after a lovely New York Times article called it the new it city. And so, so for the last ten years, ten fifteen years or so Nashville undergone a lot of changes. Yeah. But project six one five is, is one of my favorite places to get, you know, Nashville shirts, particularly since I'm away from home, and I just wanted to give them a shout out, and you can go online project six one five dot org and check them out. Excellent. I would like to recommend this week. Ask Dr Ruth which is a documentary on Hulu. And this is really sweet inspiring funny documentary about Dr Ruth, Westheimer, the holocaust survivor, who became America's most famous sex expert, and it really tells the entire story. Of her ninety years from growing up in a very loving family as an only child with her grandmother, as her best friend to being shipped off to an orphanage in Switzerland, during the holocaust, and losing her parents to being in the Israeli army immigrating to the US going through three husbands, and the whole time, really being an advocate for women for reproductive rights for the rights of people living with aids for LGBTQ rights, and everything she did to normalize conversations about sex in a way that was never the case before her starting with her radio show in the early eighties, and then expanding to TV and dozens of books and public speaking events. And as somebody who as child grew up watching, Dr Ruth and learning a lot about our bodies and relationships and sex through Dr Ruth, and feeling it completely without shame. Because her message never had any shape. Minute everything's fine. There's no such thing as normal. It's really just wonderful to see her celebrated in this film, and celebrated with just love and acknowledging all of her complexities, and just really, really almost a Valentine were thanking her for everything she's done for our culture. So the movie, again is called ask Dr Ruth on Hulu ask Dr Ruth on Hulu and it just came out. I think last week, and I'm recommending it was all dream. A new generation confronts, the broken promise to black America but ironically Allen, and this book looks at black millennials and the idea of the American dream, and it talks about housing and education careers love sex dating and I think it's fantastic because each chapter that tackles some of the policy and history and big questions around these issues is. Followed by some vignettes of first person accounts of experiencing, poverty or housing insecurity. Dropping out of college finding your way. And I think she does an excellent job of really looking at the ways that race in concert with gender and social class and political sensibilities how they all converge on how people look at this thing called the American dream. And so if you are a person who is concerned about growing inequality about the purpose of higher education about what the future can look like I think this is an excellent book for you again. That book is, it was all a dream, a new generation confronts, the broken promise to black America by Renisha, Allen. So thank you so much for joining us on the waves on behalf of Kristen minds and coal Perkins. I'm Marsha Tetlin in for Christina Ricci. Thanks to our producer Daniel Hewitt and production assistance. Alex bearish.

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WandaVision Interviews: Showrunner Jac Schaeffer and Actor Randall Park

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WandaVision Interviews: Showrunner Jac Schaeffer and Actor Randall Park

"Hello everyone and welcome to slash film daily thursday february fourth. Twenty twenty one. My name is ben pearson. I'm the senior writer at slash dot com. And it's just me on today's episode because this is a shorter than normal episode. This is going to be me presenting a couple of interviews. That i did recently with one division head writer slash show runner jack shafer and a separate conversation. A brief conversation with one division actor randall. Park who plays fbi agent. Jimmy woo on that show in the wake of last friday's episode of one division. Which was the fourth episode of the show. Which is currently airing on disney. Plus i had a chance to virtually sit down with these folks and talk to them a little bit about the series and yeah let's just go ahead and dive right in. Shall we so the first interview that you will. Here is my conversation with jack shafer. Who like i mentioned is the head writer of the show and we talk a little bit about how she was able to put her. Personal stamp on this series The mechanics of how the blip was depicted in the fourth episode of the series versus how it has been depicted previously in the marvel. Cinematic universe some red herring stuff a couple of nerdy questions and a little bit more so here is my conversation with jack. Shafer hijacker there anti. Hi thank you for speaking with me. I appreciate it. So i'm always interested in how people working inside marble are able to put their own stamp on these big projects. So what is it about one division that makes it personal to you and your vision for the show. Oh my gosh. I bleed her. I've never gotten that question. I let it gosh. What makes personal to me. Well you know. I i love comedy i love sitcoms. I also like really weird stuff. I love lost. I love twilight zone eliminating stories of hitchcock. And so i think you know bats what's personal to me is the sort of forced cohabitation these different tones. it was always my early career was sort of hard to find my place. Love the stuff that i wrote didn't land squarely in any one category And so i really. I think that's what Clicked for me about this idea. And what was what kept my energy going throughout the last two years was how cool all of those things are if you if you serve them all on the same place. Yeah for sure We saw people return from the blip in spiderman far from home when a band member gets hit in the head with a basketball after being flipped back into the of the game and the way that you chose to show a monica rambos return in one. Division was much more gradual. I'm wondering if there were any sort of discussions had about like the differences in the depictions of people returning from the snap. Yes there were a lot of discussions You know there was there. We wanted there to be an marvel. One of their to be a cohesiveness to to the visuals to the phenomena But also this is. This is its own show and The tone of our sequences obviously very different and the location is very different and so it was an opportunity In in small ways to to be separate al-said You've probably asked a lot about the nick at nite. Inspirations for the various sitcom eras but did you take any. Inspirations from any movies or tv shows when it comes to the outside of the bubble storytelling for the rest of the series. Yet while so in terms of like you know the The pop up basin in the sword of it in in episode four Yeah we had a lot of touchdowns like arrival was one of them. we The the sort of the shows that the current shows that kind of like take you to unexpected places Things like Russian doll wasn't influence. That was actually came out. Once we were writing but episode. Four of russia doll totally flipped the script rate. It's a totally different deal. And that blew my hair straight back. I was so dazzled by that And so so the. There is some influences like that where it's where it was sort of like structural within a season big big structural ships. I have a couple of Like super granular Questions for you. So how do the television broadcasts work to darcy and jimmy. It looks like they're not seeing exactly the same thing that we the audience are seeing. But they're seeing maybe like are they seeing additional episodes reruns playing constantly until they see a new episode. Do they see static between what what's going on there There are additional episodes. They they're they're seeing additional episodes. Yeah okay and then. Why did you decide to change. What soared stands for in the show versus what its divorce in the comics and that is a decision that has to do with with larger story. Oh okay all right. Good to us there. Let's see the other nerdy question Well most of these are nerdy as the show sort of moves through the decades. And you start approximating more modern styles of tv. Can you tell me if we might see a significantly longer episode at some point this season maybe even one that reaches an hour. I'm i can't speak to run time. I love it when i could just shut down a question because i've given okay fair enough. I've heard you talk about before you got this job. There are already some existing ideas for the basic premise of wanted vision being in a tv show and ideas for a cool few few moments. That could happen along the way but that there is no cohesive vision for the series was writing black widow similar in terms of having to sort of like reverse engineer narrative to fit a few pre existing. Beats like that no the the process there was different. There was a little bit more Finding the story on widow and then and then you two other very talented writers Pick that up and continued on No one visiting was different in that There was there was a lot that was that was. There was a lot of meat already on the bone with the idea. And then the pitch. That i brought in the the sort of larger story of it is is what we took into the writer's room enhanced. You must have known that people are going to be applying truly ridiculous levels of analysis to every frame of the show and you and your team did such a great job putting so much. Karen thought into every little detail in the background. But you probably know that like when the first season of westworld came out for example people on reddit figured out a big twist a week into the season. Did you guys put any specific effort into deliberately. Misleading people with some of those little background clues in an attempt to sort of preserve the larger surprise of what you guys have planned here. What i i didn't anticipate this. I have to say maybe that was nine years of me. i think also because at the time at the very beginning of the process how the episodes would roll out was a bit of a question so it wasn't a guarantee that it was gonna be week so so i didn't i didn't i didn't intimate this level of fervor also the order which became out like i if i can say it like the sensation that it's become Is wonderful. But i'm i'm a little overwhelmed by it And i also of course in anticipation the pandemic and i didn't anticipate like the the the the intense desire for content. I am not on social media myself. So i am just learning about The incredibly dedicated people online. Who who pour over everything so i. That's all day that like this was a surprise to me. It has been like just a delight and an adventure And then you're so. I didn't expect some some of the theories But the we there red herrings. Yeah that that's any any good. Storytelling has redheads. You're talking in just a second ago about like you weren't sure that it was going to be rolled out week to week was the showed I guess more specifically designed to be released in chunks and then you know whatever happened happened with the release schedule getting shifted around or like. How is it Designed or pitched in the beginning. It wasn't it wasn't designed or pitched with any marketing or release strategy in mind at all Agenda was make every episode awesome. Okay and then. I think i have time for one more question. And that is just now looking back on the experience of making the show. What is the thing that you're the most proud about it. I think that the that for a lot of people that the risk of doing a sitcom in the in the mcu paid off That people showed up or a end laughed and felt connected and have continued watching. Yeah that would be a cool. All right thanks jack. I appreciate your time so much bad all right. Hopefully you all enjoyed that and now. Here is my conversation with randall. Park who i feel like was a little bit more muzzled and you'll probably hear that and some of his responses to these questions wasn't allowed to say too much but his jimmy woo character returned in fine form in the fourth episode of one division. So here is my quick conversation with randall park. So when you were. I asked to join this show. What did jack shafer to say about jimmy. Wu's role in the overarching story. That's being told across these episodes Well she gosh trying to think back. We met in a conference room at marvel. And she i the first thing she did was break down. The arc of the series and i was just so blown away by that alone. I think i couldn't hear anything else. Because i know like this is so incredible. I can't believe i get to be a part of it but but one thing we did talk about was jimmy jimmy. He's the same jimmy that that we had an and the wasp he he's also you know he he's he he's gonna be really really focused here and and and and going to be really good at his job and he's gonna he's gonna do his best to to figure out what's going on a here in west you with his team and that and that there is going to be a you know a particular focus to his character that we haven't seen in the earlier movie it's clear that jimmy has been studying sleight of hand since we saw him last but what other skills developed since ant man on the west You know my my guess is he's been working at it hard he's been working A bunch of magic tricks pretty hard But i think that one that he says in the in his introduction in wanda vision bets. That's the that's that's the one he's mastered completely. He's eager to to to pull out that card. Have you been told if your character disappeared during the snapper if he was one of the people who is left behind no you know i did ask some people about that and i got kind of gotten a clear answer on that you know Interest okay yeah. My guess is though mike minding my sister theory but my guess inspect eat. You didn't disappear in the snap. You know is the yet to work on his magic tricks. You that's what we were thinking too Did you have to brush up on any sitcoms yourself the good inspiration for your work in the show. Maybe something from like the eighties nineties or two thousand. I did it. But i i didn't ask you 'cause i was just aren't already such a fan of sitcoms and and Just kind of you know these are embedded in my being raised by them. So so i didn't do too much research. I just kind of i knew. Then you know. Do we see jimmy in sitcom form on here. You're good you're good. I'll just say. I i don't know i don't know you got to keep watching. Okay i know that elizabeth olsen is gonna show up doctor strange su. Are we going to see you in in that movie as well You know again. I watch but no problem. No problem had to ask i have. I do have a bad memory. So the last question i have for. You is the the way that your character is analyzing. The previous episodes of the show is similar to the way that hardcore fans have poured over episodes looking for clues Have any conversations about like finding the the right tone for those moments. Not really but i think from from the beginning jimmy ruins. Rc and monica was always going to represent the audience. And and i think that You know the the questions of the audience had from the the first three episodes where the same questions that aren't character Hat and and i think that Because of that. Yeah there there there. Is this kind of special connection between those three characters and the audience and and And i think that that's really cool because you know they i. Oh we. I feel watching it. I feel that jimmy is like yeah a part of the audience just watching in trying to figure it out. So yeah yeah. I think that was by design cool. Well congrats on the show. Thank you for speaking with me. Appreciate it thanks fan. All right. that's gonna do it for today's episode of slash daily. We will be back tomorrow with a deep dive into the next episode of one division. And if you would like to read these interviews or send them around to your friends or do whatever you want with them. You can find the links to be written versions in the show notes. I encourage you to visit slash home dot com again. We have so much good sundance coverage that is up. There are tons of reviews there for lots of high profile things that you will definitely be hearing about this year rolls out and yes i encourage you. In general just to go and visit slash home dot com. Just see all the stuff that we've got going on there. 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Always Be My Maybe (2019) | Nahnatchka Khan

The Qwipster Film Review Podcast

10:56 min | 2 years ago

Always Be My Maybe (2019) | Nahnatchka Khan

"Yeah. Welcome to the Stor film, review podcast. My name is Vince, Leo. I'm the author of the film review website, quick dot net. I do invite you to check out over four thousand my rid refusing there. Anytime quip. Stor dot net. Q W. I P S T E, R dot net. I also invite you while you're there. Click on the link to get to my other podcast. It's called around the world in eighties movies covering, of course, films of the nineteen eighties. Check that out and my website, quips dot net today. I'm going to be looking at a film. That's currently playing on Netflix. Pretty much made for that platform. It's called always be my maybe it's a film that stars Randall park in Allie. Wong, PG thirteen rated film does have sexual content drug use, and drug references and language Runtime is an hour and forty minutes. James Saito, Michelle Bhutto. Vivian bang, Kiana Reeves. Yes. In a small role here in the film, Daniel day. Kim, and others are in the film directors and the notchback Khan and the screenplay. Credited to Michael Golomb co Randall park, and Allie Wong now, not con here, a first time feature director scoring very nicely in her feature. Derek to'real duty debut. She's known in the industry, because she's made a few notable. Production efforts on television, including the hit fresh off the boat for ABC now she gets a chance to get in the director's chair for always be my maybe an title is a play off of that Mariah. Carey hit called always be my baby, of course appears in the end credits of the film con. Here's reuniting with one of the stars of her TV show fresh off the boat. Randall park, the movies debuting on Netflix. It does play more like a laid back version of a movie. That's currently out in theaters. And when I reviewed a few episodes ago called longshot this one has less emphasis on the raunchy humor of longshot, and more of an eye toward a blend of rom com with sitcom fare, both films, always be my maybe in long longshot feature successful whim. Who've soared to the top of their professions, and becoming major recognized figures around the country. However, they find themselves attracted, two ordinary guys who never grew up from their old days as teenagers, and with whom they still find an irresistible connection, because they are people who understand where they came from in this world, that only knows them for their public personas now the main premise of always be. My maybe is that to childhood friends, Sasha Tron play by Eliane and Marcus camp, lay by Randall park as teenagers the end up consummating their time growing up together as Asian American teens in San Francisco. They ended up having their first sexual experience together in the back of his car, and then they find that their friendship has become pretty awkward after going beyond their friend zone soon these besties drift apart. They lose connection as they progress throughout adulthood, with Sasha hitting the big time by becoming one of the most successful celebrity chefs based in Los Angeles. Meanwhile, Marcus is working by day. In his father's small scale each vac company, and at night, performing at the same dive bar, frequently with the hip hop group, that he's been in since he was a teenager. The hip hop group in this movie is dubbed. Hello peril. That's kind of a playoff of yellow peril, which is this old historical term that stems from the fear of East Asians, taking over the west kind of punny in joke there, Sasha ends up going to the opening of one of her new posh restaurants? That is going to be based in San Francisco. And then she ends up getting reacquainted with her old friend, Marcus, and find him exactly in the same place driving the same car doing all the same things after all of these years while she's become a setting millionaire, who really is almost unrecognisable from where she came from neither can't stand each other's lives, but they seem to enjoy each other's company for the time being with both stuck in relationships that may or may not lead anywhere. And there's a maybe that develops between them even though it seems their different lifestyles can never coexist. Without at least one of them giving in completely now we can see where this film is going. Of course. I mean, one of the most common stories that's pushed forward in the world of romance romantic comedies, especially is that the one that you're looking for me actually be hiding in plain sight. And that someone who can be your best friend is much more filling than someone who's exciting and great in bed when Harry met Sally is, perhaps, the app, dissed example of the template that this film injects itself into that's not going to rise, many fans of stand up comedian alley Wong. She stated several years before that she had a desire to make her own version of, when Harry met Sally in that prompted a lot of fervor among her fans and industry professionals to see that, that project actually gets made and here it is. However, there's enough within always be my maybe which is co written with writing by the to lead performers who are actually longtime friends in real life. They've known each other in comedy circles since the late nineteen nineties, there's enough here to feel fresh. And unique on its own because of what they inject into their own characters in this case, it's really about two people who end up growing up in the same environment, having different outcomes, one, lives a life that is completely foreign to anything that she had once known she loses her ability to find contentment because of that the other meanwhile, clings so much to his life to his neighborhood to his friends to his family that it might actually be keeping a back on happiness, just as well. Now, a lot of the humor, and the allusions within always be my maybe are predominantly west coast. The music here that's being performed or alluded to the hipster wardrobe for people on the west coast. You know, they joke that they pay exorbitantly for closed at looked like they were just taking off of a homeless person though. Ridiculous links at restaurants, go to give their customers to most unique experience possible. Each one of these restaurants, tried to one up each other to the point where you're Harley getting food anymore presentation is far. More important than actually saving when hunger, for example. A funny scene in which one restaurant gives you headphone. So you can hear the recording of the actual cow that you're about to consume to give you time and the ability to contemplate the circle of life as you're consuming the on your plate. There are a lot of other funny little touches within the course of this movie that keep it very funny and very fresh, now always be. My maybe is, I would say funnier than it is a romantic film. I do think that does exceed at being romantic still because it gives us enjoyable invulnerable characters. And we ended up coming to like enough to be content with them perhaps finding away to work it out by the end there. Also a genuine quality to the character touches that can only come from someone who's lived the life that the two leads find the connection to with plenty of little details about music and movies and Asian American culture that they perceived growing up that propels some of the authentic within this film, the movies, not completely realistic. I mean, the plot itself is not particularly original or plaza. Zabol especially in some of wildly eccentric things that ended up happening in some of these characters are very idealized. However, I do think it's still has a mouth voice underneath the obvious attempts at comedy. In addition to the two very endearingly performances, I would say they supporting cast is also strong Vivian bang here. She's wearing dreadlocks. She's real scene. Stealer. As Marcus as eccentric, free spirited girlfriend, named Jenny just when you think she's the scene stealer of the film make way an even bigger one comes with the appearance of Kiana Reeves. He's playing this very Daffy jerk face version of himself. He elevates, the persona that has been created by his fans who somehow envision Kiana Reeves, has this man, very deep thought mixed with macho bravado in this film Reeves plays up on that notion. But he still a man like many others who become successful. Caught up by his own celebrity embracing the absurdness of the increasingly upscale lifestyles. Now there's wit here charisma there. Are those few unexpected comedic turns here as well? I think always be my maybe does successfully avoid sinking into the morass, so many other rom coms, do the tropes, that we've seen all before they're here, but thanks to a game, cast and clever writing and some funny and very catchy. Original bay area style rap songs in the mix. I mean, there's even one I think if you get to the credits worth sticking around through the beginning of the credits to hear the lyrics to the completion, because it ties in very much to the rest of the story, and is a nice way to end this film, the fresh writing comedic performances are the keys to making this film, work con nose just enough to just let it happen to film it to try not to do too much as a director to distract from the performances that are delivering all of the goods in front of the camera, and perhaps due to contact spirits. The film does feel like it was shot as a made for TV production. It doesn't really have that film quality to it. But given that it's made for Netflix. On a modest budget. I do think that it's not entirely a bad thing that the film isn't really shot to look best for a big screen showing it knows it's going to be playing on televisions across the country and world. And that's very unlike the fancy schmancy restaurants that are depicted within the film. I mean this one's not trying to, wow, you with its presentation so much as it is trying to deliver a familiar and satisfying meal, set any comfortable setting so for that I'm going to give always be my maybe three stars out of four three stars on my scale means that I do recommend it for people who, like this kind of movie if you're a rom com, fancy certainly, you're probably gonna find enough within this film to be entertained, certainly, for those people like representation, Asian-American stories. There's obviously a lot of that here and certainly a lot of the jokes within this film target people who grown up in Asian American families, and in Asian American communities. So certainly, there are people who will shade it on that level as well. So three stars out of four four always be my maybe on net. Flex. Now. Thanks. Everyone. Listening hope that you enjoyed this review. If you have your own thoughts on always be my, maybe you can go to my website, whips through dot net to get in touch with me. I get the conversation going that's quip stir dot. Keet. WIP. Dot net. Until next time everyone for listening and please. Enjoy your time anytime go to the movies of you're watching pretty good movies may force reading service, Admiral mass believe much. Much better than and he sees you see. I punch the good, buddy couldn't meet me me me me me.

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"Always Be My Maybe" star Randall Park and director Nahnatchka Khan

Datebook

31:12 min | 2 years ago

"Always Be My Maybe" star Randall Park and director Nahnatchka Khan

"Celebrate the tenth anniversary of Disney Pixar award winning film up when the San Francisco symphony performs the music to this new classic live on the big screen, July twenty sixth and twenty seventh tickets and info at four one five, eight six four six thousand or visit SF symphony dot org. Mission to. From our nine oh, one mission street studios. You are listening to the San Francisco Chronicle. Welcome to date book podcast. I'm chronicle pop culture. Critic, Peter Hart lob here with senior digital editor Mark. Karmen dosa, welcome Mari car high happy to be back. So we had a visit from the makers of always be my maybe today. Yes. Vandal park. And not Shikan. Randall is the leading man in always be my maybe. He's co starring with Alli Wong and is the director for the film Randall in worked together on fresh off the boat as well. Rondos, the star the creator of that sitcom which has recently been renewed on ABC. I know you enjoyed this new movie we talked about it. I think the day after you saw the movie but it's clear there were personal reasons why you were happy that the movie came out. Yeah, I have to give this. Disclaimer, I'm gushing just a little bit. And in this interview, but it's because I didn't grow up with a rom com where the leads were Asian American. In. It just was so great to see it on screen, I'm happy to know that it's going to be on net flicks on Friday may thirty first and I'm going to be able to watch it over and over and over again with my family. Even yeah. It's, it's also a very San Francisco movie so that checked, another box for me. And that made it very special. A lot of the scenes are shot near my hood. So it's pretty cool. Very fun conversation. There's some light spoilers. A lot of talk about San Francisco. Talk about Randall parks, early rap career. Yeah. We brought that up a little bit. I could not get them job any bars, guys. So I'm sorry about that. We're going to get him. Next time. Datebook podcast. Thanks for listening. Hi. I'm king Kaufman and shoots. Yours. Not your century. It's a daily podcast where we celebrate the news and the newspapers of days, gone by give us a few minutes every weekday. We'll tell you a story and then we'll return you to yours. When did you get in San Francisco? Did you just get in today this morning? We got in yesterday. Yeah. And we did. We've been doing some stuff for the movie last night in an all day today, did Allie, give you any recommendations on where to go. Or do you have you felt like you know, the city enough now navigate she took us to what was that dim someplace, cityview city view? Delicious for lunch today was amazing. And then she, she went to the Aren de lounge. She's always going to the. Orangina for the crabs so good. And then turtle tower. And the tender line that delivered often. Do you. Well, cool. I mean and, and actually, it was Elliot's decision to, to shoot always be my. Maybe here in the city. Is that right? Well, it was a definitely her upbringing here. Played a huge part in that making it into the story. Yeah, it kind of made sense to, to. Well, for us, when we started riding we really like the idea of, you know, a lot of kind of classic movies where the city is actually almost like a character in the movie, and San Francisco, just seemed like the perfect kind of place to set our story. Yeah. I was actually in Anna how what parts were actually shot in San Francisco, because I know some weren't right? Many of them shot in San Francisco. But yeah we should some of it in Vancouver. And then we came out here last July and shot out here so we shot there in the Richmond district all the childhood stuff their homes markets and Sasha. We shot at the farmers market at the Civic Center, just right down the street. Yeah. So by there, and I we lived that moment in the movie my mind. I was so much fun to shoot there. And also, it was interesting because they were like you could have control of some of it, but not all, you know, the farmers market was in like operational that day. So I you know, I wasn't sure how that was going to be like, are people gonna be looking at the camera like, how's it going? Nobody cared. We were there. They were there for the produce. And it was so much fun to like there's a the shot that we wound up using the movie, you can see if you watch it again, like Allie, sorta gets jostled like as she's coming to see Randall, and those were just, straight up shoppers were not extra. Trying to get the cucumbers. Did not care, I do have to say though, I noticed the commenced street shot that was not here. That was not. What, what was the choice there? Why not do it like say on grand avenue or something like that, in Chinatown? I think it was a scheduling issue, you know, because we, we wanted it to be a, you know, set in that area, sort of Clement street area have that look you know, so it looked different than sort of the China town that you've seen a lot of movies we like the vibe of it when we came back here scouting, but then schedule wise can't remember why that, that scene moved to Vancouver. So then we had to find, you know, stretch a street in Vancouver to mimic. The San Francisco, you know, look that we wanted it was, it was definitely like a love letter to San Francisco actually shots. I know there was a lot of that there were a few shots of the Balboa theatre for more sorry. Yeah. And that meant a lot to Allie yet, right? Yeah. That whole area is very much means a lot to Allie. The sunset Richmond district. That's where she grew up. You know, a lot of her family's still out here. Mom salutes here. Brother and sister and their families. Her niece, so she was very specific about, you know, kind of what she wanted to feature in the movie and what these guys wrote on the page, you know. So when we were out here were very targeted with our scouting, Randall for you. I know you grew up in Los Angeles shooting, the movie up here, though, did it make you fall in love with San Francisco in a different way. I mean I already was in love with San Francisco. This is where my dad first moved when he came to the US he lives in San Francisco for a while. And. Also, when there was a time when I was doing standup comedy and it was around the same time Allie started, and I would come up here stay with her, and she would kind of take me to the rooms all around the city, because she at that point she already had ins, you know, throughout throughout the popular spots to perform so, so it was just a great place to work out material. And so I tried to come up here as often as I could. And and I just love it. I and I before our movie. I was shooting at man and the wasp year. So I kind of got a sense of what it was like to shoot and San Francisco and it's just such a beautiful beautiful cities. So, yeah, I was I was so happy that we've got to do it again. The views are great. So I'm sure you had a great time shooting, just like be roll. You know, we had to get all that be stuff. We got that shot of low kids running down the street, and we go up. Oh, that's shot is day two. It's like we don't know is the fog gonna are we gonna see? The bridge. Or are we not gonna see the red? You know, you can't really control it. We went out and scouted it. And every time it looked good look good. And then it was foggy that day, and you're just like rolling the dice. And we got this, you know, this great image of these two little kids, sort of running towards the bridge, and then seeing them out in the city and, you know, we shot all of the, the maximal restaurants with Keanu. That was all shot here we shot at the Jewish museum we shot in the penthouse Fairmont, we just shot you know as much as we could out here. I have to admit I saw he on you on the street. So I live near Fairmont, and we were coming out of the masonic garage, and I had to tell my fiancee to stop, like, really like, hey, there's somebody walking, and it was Keanu almost like, are you seeing John wick, I save John? Nick being ran over by little. This during the film when we were shooting because he was walking there. And he walked into the Fairmont so that I was stalking him or anything. No. That's that's awesome, though. So let's talk about the casting for he can. I ask like did Allie ask for him to do that? Did you come up with with having Kiani play well early on while we were writing we were we wanted this person to be Marcus worst nightmare. And he shows up at a time when Marcus finally ready to admit his love to, to a professes love to, to Sasha. And, and then she has a new boyfriend and what would be like the war scenario of the worst person for Marcus. And, and, and the way Allie puts it is, you know, we wanted to get someone who was Asian American who was a, a movie star or someone icon, ick someone who is a great actor and someone who could be funny and someone who was would be open to to poking fun at themselves. Elves, and I mean really there's. There's really only Keanu. Whittle that list. Oh, yeah. But we didn't think we'd get him. I mean, what are, you know, if you want Kiana when you're mode at the chances, you're actually going to get. But we somehow we somehow God him can you talk to me? Well, you know, at a time, during entertainment, the entertainment industry and representation and fair representation. It was very clear in the film that you guys weren't like falling into those stereotypes of characters in the film didn't check off a particular boss, Marcus, the character that you play always be my maybe he's not a technique. So were were, there conscious decisions was was it easy because these people were already exist in your life. You know, Asian Americans that actually are your friends like this. Or how did you guys go about the characters in each never a conscious decision like, oh, we're going to avoid stereotypes with every character? It was just a kind of an real organic process. And I think one thing that alley, and I am not. One thing that we share. I think as we get excited by things that are new and different and, and interesting. And and it's just more interesting to, to do things that haven't been done before. And so, and at the same time, a lot of these characters, yet, these people, we know, these are people we grew up with these people. We identify with. So it just kind of organically, all just happened and. Yeah. And, and now we look back in. It's like oh yeah. We avoided a lot of stereotypes, or we like, you know, delve into new places and, and new types of characters, but really, it was just us trying to tell the best story. I think it said pretty awesome. How as you as the leading man. I think maybe initially people would not have seen you in that role that you've fit it. So, well, I actually was talking to friend who said. And I hope this isn't offensive but he said. Your. Pretend like I'm not a fan. He's like Randall park is like the Asian Tom Hanks. Oh my gosh. Hi compliment. Because it was just like your, your sweet, you're the guy next door. You're pretty damn handsome. I can say that too. I like to say that he's a snack out here on the street. That's how I like to introduce Randall. Ancient Tom Hanks? Are we going to see more of you and wrong coms, perhaps, I don't know? Maybe I mean, we'll see what you know what, what happens next, but that's really nice to hear. And yeah, I you know, if I'm a snack, I'm snap. I'll take it. I hope we see more of your Ron calms because you're, you're so good in this. So I'm excited for people to see it. And I know you have actually also said when I compare this, when I described this film to people, I say it's like when Harry met Sally, but Asian, and I kind of cringe when I say that because I feel like gosh, why do I have to have as a qualifier? Except like I have to have it as a qualifier, because there was not this kind of rom com when I was growing up. I think this is really great. They, you are the Asian to'mix now for this different generation, what do you think about that, though? The having to have that qualifier. I think it's I think I it doesn't bother me. I mean, I think it's I think it's natural for a lot of people to see it that way. And I think it's I think it's great. He now I think ultimately the most important thing is that we, we made a great movie, you know, and, and a really funny movie a movie with a lot of heart, and, and that's the main thing, but, but, you know, the acknowledgement of the Asian -ness of it all, or the, the, the woman this of it all, or that, you know that all of that is great. It's great. I think it also kind of goes back to what you were saying earlier about, how like each of these characters kinda subvert stereotypes in a way. It's, you know, in every every step of the way, I think, you know, these guys in myself like we made the choice to. So, you know, for example, when you meet random character and present day and his dad comes in smoking weed, dancing front of mirror. The tip. Ical sort of agent. Dad response would be to kind of like knock that down into like, you know, outrage whatever. And he's all right. We'll come on. Let's go, you know, sich acute scene. Yeah. And they, they have a dance battle instead and you haven't really again, like that's not a big sort of, you know, glaring flashing item. But when you're not used to seeing these things, I think every choice like that, to me is sort of like, like a quiet revolution. In a way, you know, because it's like we're not taking the road that we've seen before or maybe the easier choice Randall living at home. You know being like he's not like a loser who lives in his dad's basement, you know, he's great at what he does. He's a rapper alley being strong businesswoman like she. She isn't like in shoulder pads. It's not dynasty where she comes in and fires. Every, you know, she give me ambitious and also afraid and you know knows what she wants and then, you know, cries in the in the meat freezer. So I think, you know, painting characters with sort of unexpected strokes is, is something that were, you know? Sighted to do. Yeah. I have to point out, one of their many, many of my favorite scenes in here. But there's this great part in the movie for me. It really resonates. There's a scene, where these two little girls are running inside the house, and then running outside the house. And when they run in they take their shoes off. And then they put their shoes back on outside. It was a seamless shot. And I find like when you when you watch these films with Asian racket characters and they'd talk about taking their shoes off there. So overt about it like they have to explain it to their white friend, or whatever this, there were other scenes to where, like alleys taking off Raju's where she gets and there's no Spanish in there. It was says natural as putting your car keys on the kitchen counter. When you get home and I love that was that a conscious decision on your part to make that thing. Definitely. Yeah. I mean, you know, when we talked about for, as for every scene, I, you know, always ask a, comma, get into the scene how my get out of the scene was the point of the scene in the bigger story. And that coming into, you know, the birthday party sequence I wanted energy. I wanted to establish where we were. And so following these two little girls gives us energy that running in their giggling, they're laughing and then the, the real of it like we're saying is, that's what they would do. You know that's what I did. That's what everybody did growing up. That's what you know, is true to this area, and these people, you know. So it's like without making a big scene isn't about that. But that's part of this world that we're creating that we're inviting audiences into, to sort of feel like they can connect on this on this level. And it was, you know, it was very it was like you're saying, a one shot, you know, tracking shot. So it was very wit to do it a few times to get the timing. Right. And but it was worth it. You know, and saw scenes like that or moments like that, they're, they're not written into script. You know, we didn't write in the script two little girls run into the house. Stop. Take off the shoes. Brent through the house pick, you know, we didn't write that. But I think it's a testament to not and the, the importance, the, the acknowledging the importance of those details. And, and, and making sure that those details are right Hinault. The just the little the little things that kinda give the scene a moment like that flavor. You know that couldn't have been done. I don't think if it wasn't for the fact that you guys actually grew up with that kind of that, that was in your back on that was. That's what you guys did at home. Right. Yeah. And that's again, why I think representation matters in, in the industry. I don't know. Are we at a point where people are getting sick of hearing that during the media, rents tour is about like, oh, what do you think about representation? No, I made it so important. You know what I mean? Like you never really strived. You're just trying to make the best thing that you can make right. We're trying to make the best movie possible and to me like. Doing something. Well is the best form of representation, you know. So it's like we're out here, you know powder this movie, and the fact that people are bringing representation is important because it means that we're doing something right? You know, people are wanting notice connect to it, and notice, exactly these small things that, you know, you never really know when you're doing are people going to respond to this unique notice. And so it's, it's satisfying. So the first time I watched this film, I was one of the lucky ones to get even more than once. Yeah. I immediately text message my sisters, and they both have kids, I, I don't have any kids, but I, I consider that my kids. Right. So, and I told him you have to watch it and when they're young but when the kids are old enough to be okay with the sexiest. Like you know, they should watched it. I told my sisters that. And, you know, honestly, going up again, didn't have any of this. I wonder if my like my love life would have changed, if I had watched this, do you think about, like how this may how this may affect this new generation that will have this as their sixteen candles, or you know, pretty in pink? No. I haven't thought about that too much. But that is that is like real interesting that, that. Yeah. I think it will have an effect on people. I don't know if it'll have like a profound immediate effect, but it's one of those things over time, you know, that, that, that, that does make a difference, especially if, if there's other things like it that, that get made and just over time, seeing these images and normalizing these, these portrayals, you know, I think they do shape, the shape, our lives Randall, and I talk about also like when we were growing up, we didn't expect to see ourselves. It wasn't like looking for myself. And I just was never a thing. You know, I don't think I like I didn't grow up thinking, you know. Oh like advocating for it. But when I saw it finally, you're like, whoa, you don't realize you've been missing it until you see it. Yes. And so hopefully now that they're more things like it, you know, the new general like, you know, your, your nieces and nephews and my niece and nephew will see this in in they expect to see themselves and to me, that's also progress. Right. Because it's like going from not even having that, as an option to now, searching it out and having things that you can kind of, you know, gravitate towards to me, that's a big big step in the right direction, definitely. And that actually brings me the fresh off the boat. Congratulations on the renewal of the new season shows like that. I mean again like my niece and nephews that is their full house, like they've been watching it since the first season because I made them watch it at my came to visit me, and I was like this is what we're gonna watch, you know, and, and, and now it's just a part of their regular programming. And so, again, I think it's really important to have it as an option. But yeah, congratulations on the on the renewal, I spoke with Jimmy Yang recently. And, and he's excited to see it. I hope we see more of horse in what, what can you tell me about season six? I mean you know, we're just starting up getting the writer's room together. I think that one of the things that we've done on the show is the show has sort of moved through time as we've moved through time. So, you know, came out in two thousand fifteen so in the show it was nineteen ninety-five. So it's always going to be twenty years behind us. So this year, they're going to deal with stuff like around Y, two K, which I think is very. Bring me back. The computers are rising up, like we're all gonna get water and tuna fish go. You know, protect ourselves. So I just it's fun to kind of look back and see what was going on twenty years ago, and kind of, you know, build stories around that as the creator of fresh off the boat. You're great ally for Asian Americans and entertainment. And so, I, I do want to know your thoughts on, like what's next for what can Hollywood do for representation Asian Americans and people of color in general. I think, you know, personally, I think that people in Hollywood who have the power to make decisions who light projects movies TV shows, the more projects that they see working the more that they understand that there's an audience for these things. The more stories get to be told, you know, and I think it's just about opportunities. So it's understanding that whatever your version of events has been, you know, you always hear the reasons of like why something hasn't gotten a green light before this, you know, it doesn't sell internationally. It doesn't, you know comedy doesn't translate outside of the US. You know, there's these all these sort of industry thoughts that have been around for a long time. And then something comes out and breaks through that and shows that that's not the case, I think not to get to sort of big with the thought, but something like net flicks and all these streaming platforms that are coming out have sort of up ended everything that people thought they knew. And they're offering movies like, you know, always be my maybe and to all the boys, I've loved, and just like different stories with different protagonists. And I think the more opportunity there is just you have to keep going. And you, you understand that was doing anyone any favors? You know what I mean? It's like you're we're all out here. Trying to make something we can all benefit from this. Yeah. Awesome. I do wanna go back to always be my maybe and your your rap game. And the bay area nuts too as well. I mean lyrics born is in it. I know done Dan, the automated helped with the music, I think I saw cameo by DJ Huber. So can you talk to me about your your rap game? Really? I mean I understand you, you were an while out with. I believe you collies wasn't a band and the van was very similar to the banned. You see in the movie, except we were younger at the time the band. The band in the movie was is it was, essentially what, what would the ban be like, if they kept going that band, and they're now in adults and still playing, and we'd probably be just like the band and the movie was the band name in Iligan Iligan alive. Instruments and up except we had, like, two, rappers and a little trivia in the scene, where Allie when such googling Hello peril. Those are real pictures of random elegant photos hearing his elegant airlines. Super young. But, but yeah, it you know, it just wasn't the music was was real important to the movie, and it was important that it'd be good. And, and that we capture a certain sound that was a little bit of a throwback sound because this guy is kinda stuck in, in, in a time, you know, and, and yet we Dan, the automated, or we gave him the parameters easer for instruments in this band play with those for instruments, and he came up with these beats that were just amazing and lyrics born in the band, which is like, so wild. And yeah, yeah, it was a lot of fun. Do you. I'm sure everybody asks, but can you like freestyle still is that still on your thinking? But you wrote all those lyrics, though. I did. I did. It was fun there, selfies those. So I was, you know, I sat through the whole credits just. Yeah. That's that's amazing. One more question. So going back to the sex scene. I know there's a lot of talk about how, you know, seeing Asian Americans or Asians, doing like sex scenes in film, and TV, or are not very, it's not common. Can you talk to me about that scene? And I, I believe it's, it's based off a your store, your virginity losing. Gosh, that really got out there. Yeah. It was. I mean it was something that we in, in the room, we were, we were trying to figure out how to. Had a create this moment, where leading up to this big fight and, and. It just I offered this story that actually happened to me and. Notch and Allie. And they were the team. We're just like let's do it. But it in the script in the made it into the script, and it's, it's it's very strange. That he said that he was after the, you know, that you and your high school friendly, Virginia. Whatever you had a very awkward, like encounter after that, McDonalds. And they didn't know how to be around each other. And I love that, you know, I like I love that sort of the aftermath of that now what do we do this whole big thing is just happened? And we were looking up at the manual, you know, it's above the counter staring at it, and we did not wanna look at each other. Staring at the menu for what seemed like hours, you know and, and that. Yeah, that was in there. Viz pretty hilarious. I think a lot of people will be able to relate. I think we'll see. Anything else you'd like to tell a area fans about always be my may be and how they I mean this will probably be on everybody's Q like over and over again. I think it's really fun to watch over and over again because you can catch all these little subtle things. It's great. I just hope people like it. And if they like it, I hope they. Yeah. Watch again, Tele friend and, and. Yeah. That, that, that's really it was really such a great experience. Like making this movie with people I love like notch an alley. And in the whole team, it was just such a joyful experience. And and, and I just love for the audience to take a little bit of that what, you know, watching the movie and, and hopefully, they'll, they'll feel the same coming out of it. Hey sorry about that. Thank you. Yeah, yeah, I agree. I just want to cough my agreement. Okay. Like exclamation. Thank you so much again, for stuffing in here at the chronicle. We really appreciate you guys taking the time, counting us funding banks. You are listening to the San Francisco Chronicle, thanks to Mari Carmen, dosa and our guests notch Khan and Randall park. Our producer today is me. Peter Hart lob supervising, producers king Kaufman and Libby Coleman executive producers Tim O work, and our editor in chief, is Audrey Cooper, our music is midnight special buy ease Jammie, jams. Read columns and subscribe to the chronicle WWW dot SF chronicle dot com. Chronicle podcasts on apple podcasts and other streaming services. Listen at WWW dot as chronicle dot com slash podcasts.

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80: Always Be My Maybe

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80: Always Be My Maybe

"Hey, feminist frequency radio listeners. Why don't you join our patriot community at patriotair dot com slash them. Freak, you'll love it now on what the show, she had three moms. Wow. They're tampon budget must have been through the roof who thought that was a good joke. Welcome to feminist frequency radio. This is the show that asks you to be critical of the media you love. I'm Anita Sarkisian, and I'm joined by my fellow celebrity chefs Caroline Pettit. How Anna every atoms. Gimme that Kanji to today. We're going to be discussing the new networks, rom com, always be my maybe starring alley. Wong and Randall park. Hello. Hey. Starring alley wall, Randall park and. Oh, well don't worry. That. I put this script together. Okay. There's some people in it. They're saying, you know, what's funny, is that I went to check IMDB to see who one of the actors at secondary characters was, and it says, always be my maybe. And it says starring Kiana Reeves an alley Wong, and I was like Randall park like co writer. Cookery co-star. It was the official. There is like postings of the of the trailer on YouTube where like the thumbnail was Kiana news face, like just kion whose faith. I wish. So obviously, I mean I understand they want to get eyeballs on this movie and Kim news, the counter Reeves brand, is very hot right now. So I don't necessarily blame them for that. But. Yeah. Anyway, we're getting a little ahead of ourselves house, L A, these days, Corey cold, okay? No. It was warm yesterday. It's really dreary today, though, are we really talking about whether her. Well, I don't know. I'm about to take in this. I'm the only one like it's weird to me now the dynamic has shifted, right? It used to be to bear area, one the so Cal person. And now I feel like I'm the one who is left out how the majority weather situation so I'm yeah. I'm just to be honest like I'm so far north of the city. I'm gamma quadrant, like whenever you ask about LA. I feel like I'm faking when I give you an answer because I don't know what it's like an LA right now. I know what like in the bay area. It's traditional freezing cold summer yet. Well today, it's actually at least, you know, right now, it's really warm outside, so no. The weather's been pretty warm lately, actually. But you know it's going to turn on a dime at any point. We I mean when we will die of heat and freezing. Yeah. Kids. But thankfully, at least win win the sea level rises. Rose on countering, those who live on the coast can just sell their homes. So Spence your payroll. Yeah, sorry. That's a little Ben Shapiro slash. Well guy, we're getting, we're getting playing deep into it. How about we shift gears real hard and, you know, in twos entertainment news? All right. So you got get some video game stuff this week. It's been a while since we've covered any video game news. But e three is imminent right of the biggest gaming event, arguably anyway of the year. So I think a lot of stuff is happening in video game Sears these days after a few years of, like super mysterious trailers, and things that basically didn't reveal anything about what the actual game play was going going to be like, we have, what feels like the first proper trailer for Hideo Kojima 's upcoming game death stranding. It is a very Kojima trailer. It's like nine minutes long. It's wildly absurd. As is the Kojima trademark. We learn about the names of, of the principal characters in this game from the trailer and. In typical Kojima fashion stuff, seems pretty, pretty pretty like gendered kind of gender, essentially, I so, for instance, as gaming historian, Holly Nielsen tweeted regarding the death stranding reveal she said, female characters called fragile and mama and a male character called die. Hard man is a choice. That's such good. Phrasing, my God. Yeah, my God. Are you serious? Absolutely. I mean, yes. Absolutely. No babies. Are there like weird baby heads or some shit? Yeah. So and exciting news. The death stranding collector's edition. I don't know what the price is if you wanna kick in, like an extra who knows how much money comes with its own life sized pod baby, so you can have an Mita you and Anita have plenty of time to save up for that to get that for my birthday at the end of the year. So, yeah, I mean, really I, there's not a whole lot to say about about. Stranding yet, other than this, like the very Kojima asked nature of like the names, the very gendered quality of the names, and the, the, the absurdity of all of that can't wait for you to play this game. So I can watch you stream. Oh man. It's real. But I. Who I mean, I'm in as gameplay experience. Like it's like I can't not like I have to see what the what this is. It's so it looks so ludicrous in other gaming news. The new call of duty game. This year's call of duty game is going to be called wait for it. Call of duty modern warfare. Doesn't it already exist? Yes. Yes. Like, doesn't matter exist. Two thousand times over well yet, so call it call of duty four, which came out. I don't even know how many twelve and just pulling out a number now many, many, many years ago now, it was like, call duty four modern warfare. And then there was, and then they the naming scheme went like modern warfare to modern warfare three. So there's like a bunch of modern warfare games. And now this game is just again, like call of duty modern warfare, and I'll of duty to modern to warfare. I feel like the video game industry is a fucking parody of itself at this point like AAA. Our AAA part of it. You know, like, yeah, come on. It's pretty ludicrous. The official wegner's characters with great names like big hard, man. No mclaren. Choose not quite know in call of duty goes for like a more kind of, like I mean, they want to come across as a more, quote unquote authentic experience, but the main soldier image fronting all the promo for the game is a soldier with a magnificent mustache, and that is clearly a character, a recurring character in the call of duty games named price. And they're different prices. There's like a Colonel price in the World War. Two games is a price in the modern warfare games as a price in the black ops games. But the one constant they all have is a magnificent moustache. So looking at that. It's like, okay that's the new price. So it's a different price. Always a price. Netting tissue. There's something in the recurring in the DNA of war itself, where there's all this is amazing. There's always a price a Colonel or whatever is rank is there is always a praise Carol. Let me from the all I got nothing for that joke. Come on a sweet were still listen. I was blown away by how good it was happened. Thank you very much show website for the for the new call of duty modern warfare says this the new modern warfare delivers an emotionally charged an intense campaign that shines a light on the changing nature of modern war expect a single player experience. That is edgy culturally relevant and thought provoking relevant yet. What does that mean that a white dude? That's the star of the game. I wanna punish brownie. Now, this is this is a war, first-person shoot with it actually something meaningful to say about wars, so. You know when reporters in two months or three months or win the game releases ask them about the inherent politics of the game. We can expect them to have something clear coach to say and not just pass off the old bullshit. Line of it's just entertainment. And we're we're not making a political statement here there. That's exactly almost certainly what's going to happen. But let me set my watch. Yeah. Yeah. Yep. Yep. Great anything uplifting for us. Well, no, no, no. Though. Get this real quick we can talk about how so we were debating at one point we float at the end. Like, what are we going to talk about on the podcast? One idea we floated, and ultimately pass on, was the new slasher horror flick, Ma starring Octavia Spencer, and director of Ma a Taylor said, in an interview he was asked by, by an interviewer as a white male director. How did you think about putting yourself into a character like sue Ann and portraying the elements of race that exist within the film because it's embedded in the film and Taylor's response is how do you think racism bedded in the film because I don't see it that way. But I mean like even from the trailers, l like you have the rank woman who is kind of terrorizing a group of largely white like teens you know like racist there. So anyway, I think maybe ebony at least express. Some relief that we took a pass on Ma so that we didn't have to deal with that kind of ignorance, I'm bringing up here. Anyway, I listen, I am probably we'll see not in the theaters. But. We'll find someone who's pirating it. And then just sneak over and watch through their window. I have had many reservations about this, because I thought there could be something really interesting with the way this foam tackles, race and gender and class clearly and read like if there is someone smart enough behind this? This could be a very uncomfortable watch but uncomfortable for the best reasons. But then when I saw who the director was the director of the help, I was like, Nope. Not into it, like don't trust this dude at all. But the kind of like willful blindness demonstrated by the fact that this guy is like antagonistic with critics who say, like oh like so how how is race woven in, in through this thing we're going to be like, why do you think there's race following? It really is if he's unprepared for this as if it's complete. Lately out of the realm of the legible, or comprehensible, that people will have this question to what the fuck, you should not be allowed to make movies because clearly like these sort of larger questions. If you're this resistant to that kind of reading, which, by the way, is that subtext you'll at all you don't know what the fuck you're doing? Also, did he not hear any of the criticisms of the help like did that just to see, like I don't think he has to in the way that like white men, white people in general, you know, creatives can often choose to ignore those kind of criticisms. Right. You know, they position themselves above those kind of considerations is, if you can choose whether or not to take part in these discussions, and it's like, no, that's, that's, that's not how this works. But also, like I love Octavia Spencer, but some are choices lately, just getting massive side, I because remember, she's one of the producers for green book, and it's like. Oh, no. Octavia, we, we need to have some, some conversations, not just one but like series. All right. Let's take a quick break before we get into always be my maybe. Haytham free crew. If you're enjoying the piping, hot, intersectional, feminist analysis and pop culture freak outs. We deliver on feminist frequency radio every week one Joyner, patriarch community head on over to patriot on dot com slash fem. Freak to help us keep delivering all the feminist media analysis you love and treat yourself to some of our great perks. Merch discounts AMA's, bonus episodes, early access even live events. That's patriot dot com slash fem. Freak do it today. Welcome back. Let's do this. All right. So in keeping with our new official policy of only talking about things that can't Reeves is in. I'm really here for this all of a sudden, in my life, although not after this. Okay. Please. Let me continue with this intro that I've already butchered this week. We're discussing the new romantic comedy. Always be my maybe alley. Wong plays Sasha, TRAN a rising star in the culinary world. Who moves back to her home city of San Francisco to oversee the opening of a new restaurant when she encounters Marcus Kim a close childhood friend. She hasn't spoken to in years. They're complicated history. Together makes reconnecting somewhat difficult. But this is a rom com after all. So we know that not even can't arrives can keep these two from ending up together spoilers. I want to start with talking about Kiana Reeves actually. I think that I would, but I want to say something nice about this movie before I start saying a lot of not very nice things about it. Like I thought going in the counties was just going to be like a like a cameo, right? The little passing. Cameo, looking nice little very brief momentary surprise that was like nice, but didn't really have much of an impact on the overall film. And like no, I actually think Jonah Reeves is an is sadly, in a way far and away the best thing about this movie because he just seems to be having so much fun with our Lutely Keanu. Reeves plays a like fictional, like super pretentious, asshole version of himself, and he is so good at it like. Because he, he does he somehow mixes, like he thinks he's being very kind and magnanimous but he's a complete asshole about it all the time. Like there's a great line where after they eat at this extremely expensive. Posh absurd restaurant. Kion who is like whatever I'm going, go get some air, and then then they're like leaving. And, and Marcus, the character played by Randall park is like you didn't even let me like fight you for the Bill or try to pay the Bill and county is like it was sixty four hundred dollars less than a residual check from my from my hittin- v speed like I just the way he says from my hit movie speed I backing up. I would he gently cups, Mark gas phase? Yeah. Silver like patronizing way. So I, I liked the movie unsurprisingly like I'm always the person on the pod who's like. It's trash. I like it. I liked it clearly a lot more than than you and a needed. But I do agree with you that, like Kiana Reeves it shifts into an entirely different weird gear once he appears and the fact that he stays around for a bit that. Yeah. We don't get the cameo from him. You know. But in fact, he's his appearance and what he represents, you know, even once he's gone like they keep bringing him up, you know, Marcus write songs about it. You know, like in the very end he talks about the interaction with Kiana like it just you're, you're almost an entirely different movie once Kiana Reeves appears, you know, and it was a fantastic movie in this, like the whole restaurant scene. Yeah. To me on the floor reaction of Randall's girlfriend, Jenny the like her slow motion, like, oh my God when he walks it. And then, like her determination to pretty much follow him wherever he goes in the restaurant, you know, and do whatever he does like she immediately starts to mirror. His enthusiasm for the food. Oh my God. It was so good. And actually, I thought about you during that restaurant seeing, because you're such a foodie, and like, culinary traveler, I was like I hope I need to gets to go to a restaurant, where they have beats by dre headphones and she gets to listen to the meat. I mean, I have done something where you listen. To sounds while you're eating. No, that's okay. On on you. Sobbing. And then, like looking up at the sky and say, I'm sorry, he's eating. I mean that is like the like that was really Keanu. That window of Kiana is the only point the only period in this film, but I actually thought it was funny at all. Like, okay, so I liked the part where Keanu walks in, and you realize it's him and the reactions. And that whole thing, and he's like going to say hi to the people at the table shows up and end cameo. I hated everything else after that. Like why do they make him an asshole, and he agree to be an asshole, and it was so bad? No, it was okay. You and I clearly don't see eye to eye on this. Like the county has a certain like reputation, actually for being a really quite an eye in Hollywood. And I think that this was so sort of L. Elevated like so absurd that nobody is going to EV I mean, me obviously, who knows maybe some people. But to me, like I was fully in on the joke. Right. I'm like, nobody I, I don't think this Kiani s he really is. So it's, it's perfect. It kind of like is weird mirror of what we. We sort of ascribed, this kind of spiritual sometimes quality Keanu. And so when he first comes in, and meets with Sasha, and she's saying things, like, I missed your body. I missed this. And he's like, I missed your soul. This is really cute. I thought that old exchange was adorable. Like it's you know, all of him sitting truth out there, the like the Woodham all I fucking and loved it. I loved. So this is also my issue with this movie. So is I was watching it? I text Karen ebony being like I don't think we should talk about this movie like five thought it was so horrifically awful that I don't want to publicly trash it, like I feel like there's a need for me to do that. But I don't know how to talk about this without being like holy shit. What was this dumpster fire of horrible nece? I get into wide. You hated it because, like because part of the reason why I loved it might be part of the reasons why you didn't like it Anita. I could be completely wrong. But part of the reason why I loved it is the ways that it both rigidly adheres to standard rom com tropes, but then also plays with them. And I don't have a. I don't think the perfect the movie is perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but I think four what it sets out to do. I found it to be, you know, very successful. I don't see try to be more than it was. And I appreciated that, okay, I'm gonna take back. I do have a problem with standard around come troves, but I don't like hate rom coms as a. As a as a genre, like I don't throw them out completely. I like this movie wasn't funny. It was the writing dialoguing thing to save it like the movie is. Well, like I thought like the I thought I thought there was literally nothing funny about it. I thought the dialogue was terrible. I thought the acting was terrible. It was so painfully beating you over the head at every single moment. And I was like I've watched alley. Wong standups like I think she's funny. I think she's a good comedian. But when I was like, oh, she co-wrote this. What why like how did that happen? The jokes were so like contrived or bordering on offensive or just like, you know, the bay area, stereotype of the girlfriend who actually I thought had more character than anybody else, even though I hated her like that is not what the bay area's like anymore like it's not all like that. So you're making a movie in two thousand nineteen and you have your like we're going to go to the bay area so we can talk about this shit like that doesn't work, and then I felt like they had these moments where like the restaurant scene was so over the top. Right. I don't have a problem with it being over the top. I have a problem with the fact that like that band was fucking dreadfully, awful. And then everyone's like this is amazing. And it was played so real that I was like, wait. Are you being over the top? Or you not. And then the restaurant is so over the top, and you're supposed to feel like it's over the top. So the, the sort of continuity of the way that comedy and exaggeration was played out, like was so all over the map that I was like, what are why what are we supposed to be thinking at any given moment here, so mine reasons for disliking the film, I overlapped with anita's, but they're a little a little different? So let me let me say my piece as well. First of all, I want I want to be very clear, like we never pick. Well, maybe with the exception of ready player one we never pick a thing to talk about like with any intention of going into, like dislike it, or tear it down or whatever like we saw the trailer for this ebony, and I in particular I think we're like excited about it. We thought it looked great like. And so there is for me that reluctance, because I see a lot of people on Twitter, Asian people, particularly like say it's saying, like, here's like Asian excellence like, and I don't in any way, like an annual anyway want to sort of, like my feelings about the film are my feelings, and they should not in any way diminish like the validity of that, or anyone's like experience of that. And like I absolutely appreciate stuff like, you know, people saying like oh, you know, like when you see spam in the in the cooking early on like this offense, and it has all these details on, I think that's fantastic. Like I'm absolutely all four that my fundamental problem with the film is that I for a rom com to work for me, like I have to want the two central leads to get together and I thought throughout most of this fill that Marcus was terrible, and I get that maybe like he was like maybe he was fundamentally like a nice guy who is acting like an ask. Whole as a way to cover up ways in which he's been hurt. He's guarded, but at a certain point. You know, being a nice guy who acts like an asshole, and just being an asshole, like they're at a certain point. There isn't much difference. And so, like every conversation between them, I'm like, I would want him to be more like supportive or sensitive, or, like it's take an interest in Sasha or do something to like that. I felt was like warm and compassionate. I wanted to feel some chemistry between them. And like I never felt that at all. And so there would be people like like a Marcus's, dad who is great. What he's delightful. I love Marcus's dad in this move. He so warm. He's so friendly like, you know, I wanted I would have loved more of him in the movie, but he says you and Sasha, so great together. Like, are you going to let this chance slip you by? And I'm like I don't understand what anyone sees about these two because the movie isn't showing me that I don't understand why I'm supposed to want these two to get together. When every interaction between them to me feels like they're just hurting each other and. Like I understand there has to be tension in Iran. Com. Of course, dramatic tension like, will they won't they things that come between them, but I just fundamentally didn't want them to get together. And I didn't understand why anyone would want them to get together because I really didn't like the way that they communicated with each other ever until maybe the very very end. But, you know it has to come before that, like I said, I did like the movie I don't watch a lot of rom coms. I read a lot of romance, but I watched comparatively few rom coms. And the reason I watched comparatively few rom coms. But read, lots of romance is because I am more readily able to find people who look like me, or people that I'm interested. In their interior lives in their interior romantic lives in book form than I am on screen. So just the fact that, you know, we are starting to get more rom coms with people of color, and that have cast that are predominantly people of color, or all people of color is huge for me. So, again, part of the reason why loved it is was like, yes. Like it just was so refreshing to see this all Asian cast loving and laughing together, and those small moments were amplified for me, you know, so like the spam, cutting things with scissors, taking your shoes off, and you go in the house leg, those kind of cultural markers were perhaps more amplified for me. Then, then maybe the movie deserves or, you know, then they would be for other people. But I truly loved, how specific this, this film felt. And so, although I would have agree with you care that, like there's a lot about Marcus's characterization here that, that leaves something to be desired. But what I wanted more time because I did see potential for him. I wanted more time for him to earn the redemption that he gets the end because I do felt as if he was worth more time. An and going to the question of, like, you know, the humor of it. I did find the film funny. I found the parts of kion of the funniest, but it's interesting to me, I needed that, that you say, like you enjoyed alley Wong's stand up. But you didn't find this, this film funny, big felt so different from her stand up, her character and her lines felt so Allie Wong to me. It felt is if some of those lines could have come and her reactions her delivery, it seemed straight out of her standards, it, it's funny that we had a different reaction. Neither one of us is wrong. I'm just saying like it. I always like yet. That's alagbon. Like I can't imagine really here after being plagued by anyone aunt character felt like her for. Sure. And I didn't particularly have a problem with her character. I had a problem with the dialogue. And so I like so one. She didn't write this alone of Asli. But also like I think her stand up is really smart and delivered really well whereas the dialogue of this was. Clearly influenced by a lot of people and people who don't know how to write dialogue. And like the like the jokes were either to me were either bad or they were like bordering on, like they weren't offensive, but they were like on a line there, where it was kind of, like fuck what so the joke about, Michelle Bhutto's care. What's her name Veronica, or Vicky Veronica Veronica, where they're talking about like what to buy her baby? She says I'm doing a non binary gender situation. So just by me, gray baby clothes. I'm like, is that? That's not funny. Like especially if you're talking to a general audience that might like actually think that who's like, oh well, if we're trying to not gender babies and put them into these, like colored like these categories of like pink and blue. It just I find the joke. Really, it it perpetuates ignorance instead of trying to comment on it or like make it again my reaction to that line was because I follow Michelle Buteau. I I like her. I like her as a comic etcetera was an perhaps, I again, giving it too much credit, but it was a very kind of like. It was a sort of hyper aware delivery, but I don't know audience. Yeah. It I had remotely the case. I'm I'm saying just for me. I understood it. I also just want to clarify that, like part of what you're talking about. Ebony about like the value of who gets to be in a traditional film. Like this is why I didn't wanna talk about it because I didn't wanna talk shit on a film. That is really like there's the people who, like, there are people who made it and the people, starring in at our people of color, people who don't necessarily historically have seen their themselves reflected in films like this. So I don't want to like I don't wanna see here and be like that was that's. British. That's I totally get it. And I admire that feeling. But we, we all I think are actively trying to move us towards a point where people of color people from any marginalized background can have we have so much inclusive media, that we also get to have mediocre things. I totally whatever. Right. You know. And I think we only get to that point by being honest about our reactions. That's why I was like I was kinda glad that you agree to go ahead and have this conversation today, because if this film didn't work for you. I think it's important to say this is why it didn't work. I'm not writing off rom coms. I'm not writing off Asian leads. I'm not writing off alley wall. Randall park, you whatever I'm reading up. Randall park completely. I'm sorry. Okay. Now done now, go fight. Yes, I will. Listen to the message, I was like, why was this guy cast like there's no chemistry between him and Allie Wong like this could have? I think that he was the lowest point in the film, because for me, there's a lot of stuff that didn't, I'm not sure that it was putting on my coat, it was particularly them and I kept being like they could have cast anyone in this role. They could have found someone who, like vibe with her better. Like even if they really wanted his character to be this kind of, like douchebag, he asshole e kind of like a to me, it felt really like a really shitty class stereotype in a way that I don't think worked well, but regardless, they could have found someone that, like I did not believe their relationship and their chemistry at all for me. I find Randall park, very likable, or I think he has a potential to be very likable for me. He was one hundred percent let down by the writing, which is his own coda that reading, but still, like I can see him being great in something, or let me, let me, maybe let me numerate just a few of the reasons, again, why this film, specific reasons why like evidence of why this film didn't work for me that, that have to do with. The character if Marcus like he you know, there's a point at which like I mean where they're kind of just fighting all the time. Marcus says something like. I forget, what provokes it, but she says, like, oh, I have to go to New York and open the new restaurant or something. And he says, oh, right. Because you're a celebrity chef you know what other term I hate elevated, Asian cuisine, is not supposed to be elevated. It's supposed to be authentic, and it's like dude, Marcus like, maybe there's a conversation to be had here about authentic and catering to rich white people, which he says it may maybe like that has some truth with but oh my God. He is such an asshole in the way that he goes about it. Like he seems to just like hate her success on some level to he win when she talks about, maybe having a baby on her own, like he is so fucked up to her about that, like just so fucked up. And so, like I mean, and then it's as if the two of them don't even they're supposed to be in this, like happy relationship phase where they finally gotten together, but they haven't even talked about the New York trip to me. These are all just like red flags and it's like, oh my God. These two would be terrible together. They don't communicate well at all like nothing nothing to me. About this relationship seems right? Or like it makes sense for them to be together. And so I just I just couldn't see why, again I just couldn't see why I'm supposed to like root for them to end up together. I, I haven't really a place. I was. I saw I listened to an interview where Randall park and Wong were being interviewed talking about the film. And my, my sense from the way, they explained like the development of the idea was that Allie Wong kind of had this idea and Randall park. They were they've been longtime friends before this N Allieu, used to write on fresh off the boat, ran apart show, which is directed and was co created by notch Khan who directed always be this. Yeah. Yeah. So have this idea Randall park is like this is great. And I love the way that we're thinking about this, and from the beginning alley longest thinking about this as a vehicle, four Randall park, right indefinitely, a funny. Interesting female actor, but she's not thinking of herself as the co lead, which that's very interesting. Right. That her expectation is there's no way that. An Asian woman is going to be cast and this film. But if she is one is, it's definitely not going to be me. You know, she talks about how she's active before but she's not known for her acting, etc. And she says something that I found so interesting. She was like, yeah, you know, it really was thinking, it'll be random parking like Anne Hathaway. You know, but then Reynolds like no, I absolutely want to do this with you. And so that humanizing them God nobody. So I was like this is so interesting. Right. That the woman who came up with this idea has already written herself out of contention. If not even written herself out of contention. She she never even envisioned a space for herself in this movie. And intimidated, that Hollywood would only allow it to be made if there were a white female lead, and she's not wrong, but that's the typical way this would have gone. So I do think that you're absolutely right. That, like we're not we're not talking about, you know, award worthy acting throughout this movie, but. Yeah. And all that stuff is great again. Like, that's the. Like I'm thrilled. It's again it's the kind of thing like I'm thrilled at this movie like exists. I'm glad that it's, you know, in terms of representation, I'm really glad that some many viewers are responding to it, positively that they love it that they want more of this, like I hope that, that it's successful and that leads to or makes it easier for more stuff like this to get made. I'm fully on board with all of that. I just can't go so far as to say that I personally think it's a good movie. The, the reason why this film like perhaps. I'm more inclined to to let it be what it is. Is that for me, Sasha is Allie? Wong, Marcus is randomly, like I am not able to divorce the characters from the actors who play them. This is absolutely true. Daniel day Kim, and Keanu Reeves and this whatever. So my, my affection for this film is because I have a faction for those actors those writers, those comics, etc. Right. So, yeah, I will fully cop to the fact that, like, you know, a Millette this thing cook that this thing is more interesting to me, perhaps, in the theory than the execution. But I just have such warm feelings for all of these people, and I, I, I can't. I cannot get past how. Wonderful how absolutely wonderful. It is to see these faces on screen. I was overjoyed to see them living and loving, Emma laughing. I just I can't get over. I'm unable to perhaps be a sufficiently critical as, as I would like to be because just the fact of its existence is still such a revelation and gift for me. I, I still love both of you dearly I would really like to know I would really like an answer to the question that was posed in the movie about why you would install an AC h vac system in a rental property that you're staying in for two months. I would also money. I do that. Oh my God. I also would like to know why they think that someone who is opening a restaurant can just like go to a concert, and, like go on some dates and just kind of willy nilly hang out and the and then. Celebrity chef work. Yeah. Real won't and then two months later, she's going to New York to open, another restaurant is if you do that back to back, like, what say I mean those, those are the kinds of things that fall under for me irrelevant because Rahm calm there. But here's like, here's the thing about what, what you're talking about is, you're like, and I am normally I normally say this, but because we have we are seeing an improvement in, in whose voices are being shared, and who stories are being told in some ways mostly because of streaming services like this should have been better like and it could have been better. And there is such an incredible amount of talent out there that could have made this better that had a cast of people who are Asian who are people of color, who get to be in these traditional ways like they were wrong calms that are actually good. There was no reason that this was. As trash as it was other than like visibles low budget thing like that wasn't even a restaurant that was a fucking gallery. They didn't even try to make it look like a restaurant like it just I want I, there are so many people who I want to have upper -tunities that don't have opportunities that could have written the script in their sleep ten times better. I'm sorry. I'm really angry today. I was so mad watching this. Like, h I'm really struggling with, with this idea of, like, how long do we go? Where it's like, well, it's okay because it because we want to highlight certain voices. So it's okay if it's kinda garbagey and like it was great to see ourselves reflected and like to me the opening sequence was like, yeah. There are different kinds of Asian people. Could we make that anymore clear? But in such an over the top contrived way because like you don't be I was all about, like, yeah, they users and the kimchi, and then they'll like sort of Hawaiian spam, thing like all. Of that's great, but they did it so badly. Yeah. My problems didn't come with the film until later when I wait until the park showed up until it starts. Like the idea that we're supposed to feel some chemistry in want these two to get together. And I just didn't are we, can we at least briefly mentioned the joke about the handicapped placards. I did. I did write that down because I saw somebody on Twitter. I probably wouldn't have you're to be fully honest as an able bodied viewer who whatever I probably wouldn't have thought much about it. But I saw a tweet that said, you know, like this joke, is messed up because so fucked up because people already assume that oh, handicapped, placard means like you are someone who uses a wheelchair, you know, and if you get out of a car with a handicapped placard and you're not using a wheelchair then, like the perception is, you are not, you know. You do not qualify. You're exploiting the system, rather than like and, and yeah. Like it does seem to the joke. Does seem to totally fall in line with that. I am. Glad this movie exists. I hope it's impact is positive etcetera etcetera etcetera etcetera. I wanted it to be what I would have considered a better film was. There was a sense of a little bit of a sense of dread, watching it and feeling like, oh, I really want. I really wanted to like this, and I just don't I don't like it. I can't like pretend like it or convince myself to like it, and I, you know, like I was, I was looking forward to having wonderful things to say about it on the podcast. But then I'm like, oh, no. I don't think I don't actually think this movie is good. So, yeah. Like, like she had three moms. Wow. They're Tampa budget must have been through the roof who thought that was a good joke. No, no. That is that is legitimately terrible joke. But before we wrap up this discussion, can I just say some things that I loved okay? Quinlan Daniel day. Kim, acknowledging the sex symbol of that hot s fifty year old yes here for it. The poster for handsome boy modeling school in Marcus's room. Absolutely loved that only missed that so good. The music selection in this film, absolutely loved it. I think they could afford. Getting some of it like it ended on Mariah. Carey I was like, yes, low budget think in afford, Netflix got all that money. And speaking of net fix. I loved it in one of Randall parks songs he shouts out. Ted serandon does that is such a lake. So it's ridiculous. Call outright content serandon does COO of net flicks. But, like certainly not someone with, like a lot of cultural, sort of name q, our, you know. Notice that, right? Like it was God that I never that music that band God. So he's still talking about Ginny. Ginny, Marcus girlfriends defect. She has those PA tattoos on her breasts eve so great. Totally, like the, the lavender sugar bubbles in the restaurant Ginny chase. So with her mouth, I was like, I absolutely would do that, that she knows amazing. I was like, I would I would be okay with that, if a restaurant did that get me? That's what I was saying, like that whole scene in the restaurant, I was, like, I want to be in a situation like this with Anita because I know she's been in restaurants where they are. Absolutely taking chances now not the kind of, like, ludicrous, you know, experimentation like we're experimenting with time, you know, at least not in that kind of bullshit, superficial way. But, you know, the before molecular gastronomy became a parody of itself, the kind of thought and creativity that underlies that is actually worth celebrating. And I do think that, like, you know, Marcus is offhand. Dismissal of what Sasha does. I do think the film tries in some way to hold him to account or. Indicate that like this is bullshit. So, you know, walking through one of the venues and the waiters are Decatur waiters are, like, hey, try this try this and without even trying them. He's like hell. No, no. And it's like no, like dude. You don't get to be that dude, especially you know, if this is the woman that you profess to love, whatever ever a whole host of things that I loved if anyone's interested, you ain't hit me up on Twitter and I'll send you the full list. Well, we can also talk about it in the bonus since. Yeah. You don't wanna hear time talking about how much I hated this movie. Let's take a little break, and we'll be right back with our wheat leaf freak outs. All right, y'all it is now time to talk about what's been thrilling us moving us upsetting us or infuriating us this past week. Can I talk about this movie as my freak out because it definitely infuriated? Talk about it in the you have to talk about in the bonus. All right, Carol, what's your freak out this week? All right on copying off of ebony because this was her freak out. I don't know really can't be fleabag because I was going to be mine. Well, all right. Yeah. So we thought about fleet bay is really elective freak out. Yes. Yes. So obviously the season one or series one as they guess they say in, in British shows came out a few years ago. I heard some things about it didn't watch didn't watch it and then series to, which is guess the final season series of fleabag recently debuted in ebony said some good things about it on the podcast on her freakout recently. And man, wow. Wow. Like, wow. I you know, after the, the first episode I was like. That was getting. That's my feeling. But same, exactly same the way that this like the way that the complexity of fleabag as a character. The I mean the way in which. Like the show works as a comedy. But with so many layers of, like humanity and insight and tragedy, sadness grief, like all just tumbling around, so messily and in a way that is so I think authentic that in. In a way that, you know, even like a lot of shows I like that. I think deal with look into the grief and internal, you know, just experiences inner lives will often to some degree kind of sanitize or make the edges like smooth out the edges or sand things into into clear resolutions clear, like moments of growth development, etc. Analytic fleabag was so surprising to me in ultima, the ways that it. It's like throw these moments where oh, I think I see where this is going to lead to like growth and change in the ways of X, Y Z, or whatever. And it's not that, if that there is no character development or no growth whatsoever. Because there absolutely is. But it's just never like the kind of Pat neat lake formulaic at all kind of development that I think we're accustomed to like there is something. Remarkable in the in the committed kind of messy nece and interior authority of this show. And the way that Phoebe Waller bridge is able to say so much with a look at the camera, like astounding to me, anyway, like, we may have to do an episode about this, 'cause there's so much to say about this show in my opinion, but just, you know, I highly recommend it. I absolutely encouraged people to watch it. It's like episodes are each less than half an hour. There's twelve in total. So it's not that much of a commitment. Fleabag is the real deal. Y'all. It's good. Phoebe Waller bridge is one of those people whose talent honestly kinda scares me like the woman is thirty three years old right now, -ccomplish so much, and of such koala eighty, you know, and variety and not just as a writer, not just as a producer show runner, but as an actor, you know, like she's the real deal you know in like I said, it's honestly a little bit scary. How talented she is? I'm going to come in with my freak out because I'm just going to piggyback off of Caroline. We actually do an episode about this. But I did I, I had the exact same experience Carol. I watched the first episode it was like, man, I don't know about this isn't really my style. I don't really like shows where you kind of hate everybody, and, you know, blah, blah, blah, whatever. And then I like ebony was a bunch of other people are talking about. So I gave it another chance. And I was like, oh, this is really good. I think season to a stronger although I still enjoyed season, one series one, I think I want to mention it actually here in this episode because they do this sort of amplified exaggeration in a way that I think always be my maybe tried to do and fail that we're fleabag was very successful like the father and the sister and. In Olympia Coleman. It's character all three of them. Although her a little bit less. They. They're like issues that they have. And the way that they play out the exaggerated -ness of it is so perfect, like it's, it's, it's a comment. It's the comedy of it and the deep intensity of it work really, really. Well, I love the sisters character Claire, I. And in season two, she really shines in just whatever's happening there. I'll also say that the, the very last scene was fucking credible. It was -able sweat a perfect, like what a brilliant ending. Yeah. So I didn't know why just real quick, like watching series too. I didn't know that it was like the last series, I kind of went into that thinking, okay? Like this is the Siri the finale for this season. But there may well be back. Three and then it does something in the with the ending that feels so appropriately like now, you're like this is where your time. Together comes to an end and I had to go online and look like oh, God. No. And it's like, oh, that's the end of the so but show, but I'm like, I couldn't help but admire it for being willing to end after two series and, and nailing that that final that final scene is just it's so it's so so so good. Yep. It's amazing. It's an amazing show, although I have to say, I need one of my few very few critiques of the show centers around and I love Libya Coleman. We've talked about how much I love Libya Coleman. And how much I do love her character, the character of the godmother. Hoop becomes the father white, but one of the few things I take issue with is the characterization of like modern art, and, you know, the kind of like modern art world and the that pity instability of modern art because the exaggeration, there didn't work for me, and the way that I think it didn't work for you. Always be my maybe with, you know. Avant-garde food culture, the way that the godmother talks about her art, and sometimes I'm like this is a little bit too. Like, like you're outlining it a little bit to lend service of explaining, I loved it, and I love her character apart from those things. But just purely in terms of like the way she talks about her art, like I guess I've, I've seen so many other. You know, texts that have this very sort of hypercritical. Take on modern art that are Mike. It that particular thing didn't work for me. But whatever it's amazing amazing. I it really works for me because I felt I feel a deep affinity to making fun of art. And the pretentiousness of it, and I fucking level Coleman so much she God. And I love the can I say a spoiler I, I won't say spoiler. I love the thing that, that recurs throughout both seasons. Like it's so smart. How that's done. All right. Ebony you don't get a freak out this week because we're at time and it okay. Do you have something good? You wanna share real quick? Or do you want to say it was just a resource cool therapy for black girls? Oh, yeah. 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Randall Park on Being an Asian American Actor, Representing His Community, and BTS | The Dave Chang Show

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Randall Park on Being an Asian American Actor, Representing His Community, and BTS | The Dave Chang Show

"Welcome to the ringer podcast network this week on the ringer dot com. Our staff is ranking the one hundred best moments in culture so far in two thousand nineteen this includes everything that happened in film, TV, celebrity news, Memed them, and more guarding the top one hundred so far R J, lo and aid rods engagement, the rise of Lizardo, and the cliff wife phenomenon also be sure to listen and subscribe to ringer dish, or new celebrity podcast and catch the latest episode covering their favorite moments from this urine. Pop culture. You can subscribe on apple Spotify, or wherever you get your podcasts. Dave Chang show part of the ringer podcast network. Presented by major Domo media. Thank you to your LA Tango for that amazing intro music, off one of my favorite albums and album titles. I am not afraid of you, and I will beat your ass a love it. We have done a lot of different. Tweaks to the format of the show. We will try one more thing as we experiment and try to make this better and better every week. One of the things that we get, as a request not just to the ask, David major Domo media dot com questions but more and more listeners want useful tidbits, where to eat travel tips, and more importantly, just what I think about certain things about mundane things almost like like Seinfeld like take on the culinary world. I've always viewed this sort of as, like a ESPN takes type of thing like a culinary, Stephen Smith Godwilling. Anyway, my son had his Becky, the, the hundred day in Crean culture. You celebrate the one year and the hundred day the hundred days, various symbolic, because in crane history, it's been calling. Is d- in slave, or just rule by its neighbors. Mongolia, China Japan in life was hard. And if your child got to one hundred days, that was a good sign auspicious sign that they might make it to a longer life. And then obviously the one year birthday is something that is a little bit more widely known, but gets confused with a one hundred day celebration, and that's a big thing where they get dressed up in humble, which is the traditional celebrate Tori, Crean garb, and they put stuff like money and fruit. And, you know, paintbrush and the child then chooses what they want. But one of the things that I decided to do for food was by Popeye's chicken. It just wins over everyone. I thought about getting my own at fhu. But it's always weird buying your own product to parties or even your own events. Sometimes we've done it, obviously, with, like Christina toasties milk bar cake. But it's always weird when you supply with your own fried chicken, because I love our fried chicken. It's delicious. But he always just feels like nepotism in a weird way I never wanted to do that. So we got Popeye's in addition to a few other things that I made I me like, shrimp cocktail, and I had some crab claws and stuff like that. And a whole bunch of cheese in Salou me, and we had the cellar, Pretoria rice kick, but I was debating doing pizza and chicken, and I will chicken number one is this fried chicken, believe it or not is one of the best things to sandbag to cook in advance and then to serve either room, temp or even cold, which is one of the reasons why Sean gray the chef at executive chef at co wanted. Servant at the Khobar the cold fried chicken. It's something that I think is delicious any kind of cold fried chicken anyway. When I'm planning these types of parties and events. I'm basically buying fried chicken. It's one of the things I'm never gonna make it home. I'm just never gonna make fried chicken at home, because it's always better somewhere else in my opinion. And it's hard to be Popeye's. I bought some chicken strips non spicy for the kids that came over, and I bought a sixteen piece spicy crispy, and then I got a whole bunch of sides, but mostly, I got three sides, three large signs of red beans and rice, one side of coal saw large and one side of macaroni and cheese large and man, people have it, people love Popeye's. And here's the thing I have said this before, and I think people think that I'm joking as delicious, the fried chicken is Popeye's. And it's as good as anything that any top restaurant could make I really believe that I'm not the only one. I think the best thing that Popeye's Manx is not the chicken, but the red beans and rice, and I'd argue it's not just the best side. It's the best fast food item than any fast food restaurant can make or QSR, which is an acronym for quick service restaurant. There it is. That's my heartache. And I've said it before I'm gonna say it again, if you think about what it is the fact that it's sold on almost national level, and Popeye's, red beans, and rice. I can't think of a dish that's more synonymous with New Orleans culture and, and the south, and it's done in a way that is, as delicious any great red beans and rice recipe. I honestly, think the beans itself are delicious. The rice can be a little overcooked at times. But it's if you just put, I think, Lola's Eli has told me that he just puts the red beans Popeye's right beans on rice at he cooks, it has this consistency. That's my she and the best way it's just packed with flavor. I have no idea what they put into it. We've tried and it's inspired us to try to put it on a couple of restaurants including Fukui, and peach mart because it's fun. Fucking delicious. It's a meal in and of itself. If you get a large order, and if you've got a smaller, it's a great side piece to something else. Right. And the reason I'm talking about this because we are in partnership, and we produce with the ringer staff a little over two years ago in two thousand seventeen about a year into the ringers existence. They did a list of the top fifty or one hundred fast food items in America, and number one, they had waffle fries, which I don't know what the fuck that's about. That's just I mean, come on waffle fries, from Chick-fil-A aren't even in the top fifty. Let's just be real here. The fact that it's number one means like man they should stick to sports and pop culture and movies, and music, but come on food, guys. I don't even know if Joe house had podcast, then Joe house, if you're listening to this, would you even agree that wall of rice, some Chick-fil-A is the number one entry at the top of all fast food. Items come on. That's ridiculous. That is completely utterly absurd. So I wanted to let it be known that in my top list of fast food items Popeye's, red beans and rice number one scorching number-one at the top white hot. I don't think he can be. And I would probably argue McDonald's franchises, number two, and yes, there are a lot of French out there. But my God McDonald's French fries is it's still sort of the benchmark of all French fries, even fancy restaurants. Try to make French fries at tastes like McDonald's, French fries, and I can only hope that they go back to frying them in beef tallow. Because if you're, too young, you know, Malcolm cloud, wall did one piece about it in his own podcast about McDonald's, French fries, and how they're not fried to be fat anymore. And it was a sort of a vehicle to talk about marketing, blah, blah, blah. All I'm simply saying is you could get French fries cooked and beef fat, and they were delicious and. I believe that Japan. I don't know. They might have changed. It was the last place where you get French fries and hash Browns cooked in beef, tallow my God. I don't know what the reason is the combination. But it's magic when you fry potatoes in animal fat, but particularly be fat, good Lord. So that was it. It's just like red means and rice. It's not anything else. Try it do yourself a favor. Get red beans. And rice is really delicious, and we need to talk to anyone at the ringer, because housing, not even in your top fifty. So those are two things without going into the other very highly questionable suspect rankings, waffle fries, number one, which should legitimize the less completely. It's almost like the Russians hacked the ringers top fifty list, and fucking red beans and rice from Popeye's isn't even on the list. These people have no idea what the fuck. They're talking about there. There's my heartache challenge me. I dare you guys. It's a nice little segue into another bit of fast food. When we are the Rick Rick, tear Vanesian, I told little story about Fukui sort of being an art project and. I talked how Fukui was really in a way expression of Asian American values and how we're perceived not just food world, but the world at large, and I have no idea how the hell the happen. You know what I mean? That's like pretty crazy. To me. I honestly think a lot of this happened in relation to how like theirselves certain amount of backlash to Jeremy Lin and Lindsey sanity. And I think I was just like so upset about it that I wanted to change how we're perceived certain things Asian culture were perceived. So I put all the Asian bad guys on the wall, literally from bolo to Mickey or Rourke, who is in breakfast at Tiffany's to characters and big trouble in little China to Allie young, who is in die hard, and many other action adventure movies in the early nineties to late nineties, and such anyway, without going to deep into it. I just felt that we needed representation in food. And I grew up in Chick-fil-A and people, love Chick-fil-A, and one of the reasons why I think representation matters is because there was not enough Asian American representation and food, it really hurt us in how we could cook certain foods immigrants could cook foods with with or without MSG. And how MSG was vilified. We spoke about it at length, and in detail in the fried rice episode of season, one of ugly delicious, which I highly encourage you guys to see and watch and there's plenty of other information out there about MSG. But I it gets me mad just thinking about how so many immigrant restaurants, wore vilified for cooking with MSG, even if they weren't using MSG, they had to sort of brand on their restaurants. We don't use MSG that's insane. It's so fucking insane to me that Chinese restaurants or Crean restaurants are restaurants by Asians would. Have to promote the fact that they don't use MSG to America. I mean seriously is fucking insane to me, it bothers me and makes my blood boil when I think about that, especially when I think that in fast food, culture Chick-fil-A is one of the most dominant forces out there. It's growing like a weed people love it. But if you think about the kinds of people that love it. They're probably there's a good overlap, the same people that say they might be allergic to MSG. I, I don't know. But, like, what I want to say is this American culture, never vilifies Chick-fil-A. They embrace it. You've never once associated Chick-fil-A with MSG or Chinese restaurant food syndrome, and headaches, and nausea. And all these things that Chinese food Korean food, Asian food in general gets vilified in stereotyped with Chick-fil-A is seen as wholesome. It's closed on Sundays and. And depending on the person, you love their views on civil liberties, or you hate them. But what has never come into conversation is how they use MSG in their foods and how it's one of the most beloved most sought after franchises in America. And the reason on talking about this is exactly that it's why we did Fukui The way we did. And the article comes out and says, MSG monosodium glutamate, which is delicious and not harmful at all is used in Chick-fil-A, and where are people talking about that? So if I can't even get red beans, and rice, glorified, then I think it's going to be really hard to get people to talk poorly about Chick-fil-A 'cause where are all the people with the headaches now after eating Chick-fil-A, that's insidious racism, as far as I'm concerned, and we all need to take a closer look at what that means. Why do restaurants run by immigrants? Get vilified but Chick-fil-A gets a fucking pass. That's fucking bullshit. And it's one of the reasons why I think we do what we do at Momofuku to try our best to tell stories and Fukuoka was a lot of things, but it really was based on trying to tell a story that wasn't being told and to celebrate the things that we have from an Asian American perspective. And I'm sorry, I got pretty serious there for a second. But fucking pisses me off, man, you cannot have this double standard is not fair. It's simply wrong, and this is a weird way to segue into our first guest of Randall park, the comedian actor of several films, most recently, always be my maybe and finishing. I think he's about to film a seven season of fresh off the boat. Randall park is one of the very few Asian American actors to reach mainstream success. Yes, I was very honored to have him on this podcast. Just a good dude. And I wish him all the success continued success, because I can't imagine growing up and not having to worry about these things, so we can focus on making better foods and being just, I don't even know what that world would be like where we don't have to worry about who we are what we look like to gain acceptance, it's simply about a merit based system, and maybe that's impossible. But the fact that always be my maybe is on Netflix. It's a rom com. You have crazy rich Asians. You have all these other platforms from Asian people in the world getting global recognition. We talk about BT, you know, essentially like the Beatles from Korea. Crean dramas, you name it, and besides food food, maybe was the first vehicle to greater acceptance. Having an Asian American actor play himself and represent perspectives from Asian American stories that have not been told as far as I know is a tremendous and powerful staff. And I think it's the same kind of representation, where in the future. People won't have to think about it. They'll just accept the food and the things that they watch on TV as the same. So that's why I was so excited, I ran a park on just a chill dude who has been a real Crossman to his art of acting and comedy writing and all of these things. And here's my conversation with rain. It's been a while since I've been back in the ring or studio. Recording most of this in New York, and it's a lot easier to do it out here, but I'm honored to have random park. Welcome. Thank you. It's good to be here. We were just talking about the eventual move to Los Angeles for myself, and where to live and trying to sort of get situated neighborhoods. You're born and raised in Los Angeles line and raised in Los Angeles in the west side, kind of near Culver city, went to UCLA stayed in LA now. I live in studio city, which is the valley. But I still, I guess LA and yeah, I'm gonna be here till I die. And if you haven't watched it already, you just in always be my maybe rom com. Very funny movie with Alli Wong on Netflix. Yeah. And, you know, the first thing I wanted to ask you was growing up in Los Angeles, where you're like I have to be an actor now. No, not at all. That was the farthest thing from my mind growing up. I was I thought I'd be a ton of other things that thought I was going to be an architect at one point. I wanted to be a comic book artist at one point. I mean, I there were a lot of illustration type things because I love to draw when I was a kid. And then, you know, I went to college, I thought maybe oh go into law or, you know, the stuff my parents wanted me to get into. But then I was like, oh, you know what I think I'm gonna become a professor with your parents wanted you to be what when you were growing up. Did you play instruments where you now doctor lawyer, Dr Laura? Yes, I insist. The only child of older brother older, brother. Did he want to becoming a scientist? Now neither of us. And then I went to college, I thought, oh, become a professor, that's kinda like what of Asian American studies that was like what I wanted to do. But I was also a specializing in creative writing as an English major while minoring in Asian American studies. And I thought, oh maybe I'll, you know, eighty I'll become a ride or two. And I thought maybe professors kind of good way to do both but through writing I co found at this theater company that introduced me to acting and that's how I kind of fell in love with, with writing and acting, and that same theater companies went alley. Wong joined later, and it's still they're still going on twenty twenty five years like that. Are you participating still in things that they do or now? No, no. I mean, you know, I'll, I'll meet meet a lot of them because we still have stopped friends who who go and help out and every now and then I'll do you know talks with them. But, but I don't I haven't gone to show ages. So when did you make that commitment because to decide to become an actor as an Asian person in America? That's really going against the grain. Yeah. Especially, you know, when you were in college, there was literally, no Asian person on TV. Yeah. Film. Yeah. They're very few. I mean I so I didn't I didn't make a commitment to way later I so I fell in love with it in college. I kept doing it out of college as a hobby, like doing the or formed at theater company out of college with a lot of graduates from that the company and started doing stand up started doing improv and just a lot of comedy stuff, just on the side, while working these random fulltime jobs, and the random full-time jobs are the best. Well, you know, I was doing graphic design doing graphic design because when I was in that Theodore company in college we'd have to design our own flyers, and like literally like hand to mouth on Bruin walk. And, and so it was through doing that. I learned illustrator and Photoshop and stuff like that. And I had that skill that I learned from the theater company and, yeah, just started working for newspapers doing production, design, and then it wasn't until my later twenties. I just kept getting laid off from these jobs, and I think I broke up out of a long term relationship, and all these things happen at once I was, like, screw it. I'm just going to go for it were your parents supportive of this idea of now. Come on. Listen, it is, if you're not from an Asian household, and I always imagined when we talk about this kind of stuff, if you're not Asian, the betcha people just tune out immediately, whatever how even possibly be. Yeah. Yeah. That Asian parents universally almo? Most frown upon any kind of artistic endeavor, unless you went to Juilliard variet-. Right. Right. And it's the violin or some something having to do with classical music. Now I mean I wouldn't say my parents were typical Korean parents were very open minded about a lot of things. My mom was an artist. She was like a painter. My dad is super chill. But we're not happy with that decision. Not happy with that my mom, literally was like turn on the TV. Let's count how many Asian people we see that. Yeah. And it's like I think we were sitting there for days before Asian face. And if it was an Asian face. I always remember, it's Allie on the guy that usually was and all movies action movies guy that bills bombs or guy. Yeah. Yeah. Or the news, you know, like the, like Connie Chung pop up or something outside of Sulu on Star Trek and Bruce Lee. You talked a lot of people that around our age, Bruce Lee was it precisely. What's it still? Is it for a lot of us? Yeah. But I was no Bruce Lee. Oh man. Like so were you were you rebellious to your parents? Hey guys, I'm doing this scrum. Yeah. You know. Because at that point, I was in my later twenties. So it was kinda like I got to pursue it now or, you know, or never pursue it and regret it. So I just went for it. And, you know, I like I remember like the first commercial, I books, I was like so excited, I thought I thought I was on the road to success. Right with that one commercial told my parents about it super excited. And they were dislike what, what does that mean? How much did you make? And it was like a non union commercial for like Asian channel like this liver pills commercial, and I was like, well, I made like a hundred dollars from it, and they were they would just like, well, you're not going to build a career off of that. And I was like, oh man, I can't I can't even share my victories with them because every time I do shoot it down. So like from there on out, I was like, I'm just not gonna I'm not gonna tell them what's going on. I'm just gonna can you explain to that sensibility that parents have that are of Asian immigrants that it's never good enough. What is that about? I don't know. You know, it's, it's I, I mean, ultimately, it's that, and it took me a long time to figure this out and to realize, but it's because they do love us. You know, and they want us to be good, and my parents knew how hard it would be. And they knew that one commercial for these Chinese liver pills on channel eighteen was not going to make me set for life, you know. So they really, really fought me like well into my career. Yeah. Yeah. Well, let's back it up because I just wanted to I rarely get to talk to anyone, that's your sort of like the forefather of Asian American actors that are modern day. That's like that's like a ridiculous statement because you're still young. That's how ridiculous. It is to be an Asian actor. Yeah. Yeah. So it's not been around. This is relatively new thing. Yeah. Relatively. Yeah. And I wanna go back to, like, growing up in the sense. That will you hanging around like crinkles, and now, now, I was, I mean, I grew up in a part of west LA that was very mixed. I mean we were it was like a Benneton ad and there was one Korean kid who lived about seven houses down for me, who was one of my closest friends. So as to where the, like the Asian kids, and then everybody else with us in our little gang, and would you like made fun of for eating Korean food and stuff like that. Not he. No, not really. I mean, I had my, my friends are pretty open minded. You know, but my parents were very conscious of not packing kimchi in our Louis, you know, like they were very conscious of that. But it wasn't. It wasn't too. Bad is pretty I I'd Ilic childhood, you know, in LA? So you didn't grow up thinking that like wait. I'm not the right skin color, not really want to college. You know, I mean, even growing up watching TV and not seeing any Asian people that wasn't a problem for me. That was like I just took it in and I was like great and that, and I put my. In the shoes of the white guy, and, and it was great. It was fine. And it wasn't until I went to college at UCLA where I met, like a lot of Asian folks, and that was weird. It was weird. I part of me didn't want to go to UCLA because of that because I was so used to, you know, like a real diverse set of friends, and I was like, oh, man, I'm gonna, you know, there's so many Asian UCLA, and then I went in, and I met a ton of Asian people and became great friends with them. And it kind of my is a lot of things that I didn't realize was a problem. But, but yeah, yet was a problem, and it was almost mostly Asian kids in UCLA. You're hanging out with. Well, yeah, I'd say for the most part. Yeah. Mostly Asian kids, and then I, I also did this at UCLA this a charity called unique camp where that's kind of through that shared, his where I met all my, you know, non Asian friends, but it was mostly Asian kids and, and. That the company that, that I had co founded that it was an Asian American theater company and it was predominantly Asian, folks, I know it's weird thing to think about or talk about because I never really hung out with Asian or even cream people till I went to Korea right exchange program thing. Yeah. And I never forget bunch UCLA students. Yeah. There. I mean, either went to Berkeley or UCLA, or UC Davis and there was like these little cliques of Korean kids, and they were all like it was like a different world where they nice to, you know not at all. I was basically the white kid. To them. What's this fucking? Yeah. Yeah. You know, when I when I first went to UCLA I had a roommate that freshman year, who was a Korean guy, and he was super mean to me. Was he very he was very Korean and he ran with, you know, the Korean group and went to k town all the time. And, you know, I had I had I grew up going to k town whenever I went to the market with my mom and at that point k town was just Olympic boulevard. It was one St. there was one Korean market, but I wasn't there when, that's when k town flourished, and I never went to the K clubs and right, right. Yeah. I, I never did that, you know. And then here was this. I had this roommate who was all about all that. And he just was so mean to me. How means people know because it's kind of mean. Yeah. Like he would you know, because I barely speak Korean. And when I do it's pretty pathetic. And he just got joy out of making me say Korean words and cracking up that how bad my friend, unsee Asian was and yeah. And just I don't know, it was kind of traumatic for me actually, at the beginning Korean men in that kind of culture can be just man brewed. My own cousin beat me up in high school because I wasn't Carina. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I mean I got a lot of that growing up as a kid, sue. I, I haven't I went to Korea when I was ten years old, and I haven't been back since. And when I was ten years old. I didn't barely spoke Korean and I remember getting shamed. All the time when I was out there and, and it being a pretty tough trip for me. And it made me not want to go back. I don't blame you. Yeah. Yeah. And because they're they especially then it was probably. Oh, especially back then. Now I hear it's like to- now. I really want to go back. It's pretty different still. Yeah. Yeah. That was a very different time. Yeah. But, you know, in college after living with that roommate, I, you know, met other Koreans are more like me at UCLA, you know, like the less Korean Korean. And we were all eager to be more Korean, you know, but we were in it together kind of thing. So from tasha. Yeah. Yeah. And then, you know, just kind of this Asian American group that I kind of fell into, and it kind of gave me the sense of other there is an Asian American community. That's that's super cool. I think if I had to go back in time and go to college, I probably would have gone to the west coast. And if I had the rates, I would've loved her gone to UCLA. Yeah. I've only recently really recently, I feel like past five years. Hung out more with crimping. Yeah. Yeah. And just Asian people in general has a feel. I don't even think about it. That's great. That's how that's when it's real and great. Yeah. It's like my, my group of friends is a mixture. Yeah. What's different now is I could be at a table of four Asian people and to why people. Yeah, yeah. And I was like, well, what's going on? The best way away. Yeah. Where you're not even thinking about it. It's just like these are just people. Yeah. But it used to be such a giant struggle for me. Really? Yeah. And it wasn't a desire for you, though. Like I feel like I belong anywhere. So you talking about feeling a sense of belonging with Asian Americans and UCLA. That's tremendous. Yeah, yeah, it was great. It was something that I would I was adverse to going into UCLA. And then with that freshman, roommate was, I was like, oh man is going to be a nightmare for years. And then I just found these people who are who are like me and. Yeah. Feel like my life is still kind of surrounded by those people. We'll be right back after word from our sponsors. Today's episode of Dave Chang show is brought to you by ZipRecruiter. Hiring used to be hard, multiple job sites stacks resumes. It confusing review process, but today, hiring can be easy and you only have to go to one place to get it done. Ziprecruiter dot com slash Chang. Ziprecuiter, send your job to over one hundred of the web's leading job boards. But they don't stop there with their powerful matching technology, ZipRecruiter skins, thousands of resumes to find people with the right experience and invites them apply to your job as applications. 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Didn't seem like imagine how you would feel if you grew up in, like Atlanta, or Boston, and I don't know. I don't know. I mean, I think it was perfect for me. You know, I feel like for you. I you turned out pretty well. So having all that having all that adversity. And those feelings of not belonging. I mean they, they made you who you are. Right. Yeah. I think so. Yeah, I mean loose what I work with my shrink on, at least, you know, and now you're coming home. Yeah. It's very different in. I'm happy that it's happening. Yeah. Because I, I just never wanted to be like in get to see you, right? You were literally one of the few people, I would get to see on TV when like yeah. So noticeable. Yeah. You know, like I knew your name pretty early on. That's that's wild. Yeah. Even when I was probably doing like one off spots on the Asian, folks. No. And folk person on TV. Yeah, very easy, your name before you read that like Eddie's show. Got picked up for fresh off the boat. Yeah. Oh, they got Randall. They knew everything about chats crazy 'cause yeah. Most people didn't know me. Yeah. But. We all know just like very hard to explain how that just didn't exist. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. To go to these casting sessions and stuff. Even when I first started when I talked to Steve you, and he told me he got his first job that, yeah, that his experience is so not the typical experience. My path is very different. I it was a grind. It was a it was a slow grind. And a slow slow rise. Kind of it was tough. It was I it is a hard life. It was all those things. My mom warned me about, you know, just constant rejection. Constant, why was the rejection was because you were Asian? No, because I was bad at dishing. You know. And also, I there was definitely the Asian thing to where where the opportunities weren't, as plentiful you know, when there were opportunities it was always like, do you really I mean? I'm sure you've got better additioning. But is it was viewed this sort of, like when Jeremy Lin was playing basketball people just assume that he couldn't play ball? Yeah. Yeah. And I think there was that, especially because my thing was comedy. I, I love doing comedy and it was what we did in that the company predominantly at UCLA, and it was just kind of what I just naturally gravitated towards and. Yeah. And there was a definitely a belief that Asians. Weren't funny. Like an I heard that I heard casting directors say that what it was. The scene was like, you know, like it would usually be in a complementary, you know, like I'd meet with the casting director, and they'd be like, yeah. You know it's so great. I'm so glad you're doing this because because Asians are funny. But you are, you know, it would always be like something like that. And I'd be like, wow, wow, you said that feels good to be singled out, but it feels bad that you're racist. And the only other Asian comedian, I grew up watching was the guy from Texas with the Hugh Henry challenge show. Yeah. We all know each, of course. Yeah. Real trailblazer. Yeah. Of course he doesn't. He doesn't get much credit for that. But yeah. For sure. Really embrace learning in Margaret show and, and our grid. That was pretty much it at Morita. Oh my God. Morita was a big one for me. When I found out that he did not speak with Japanese accent away. Yeah. I mean, he was he was in happy days, man. He was in Sanford, and son. Wow. He was killing it way before us. And in comedy on network TV but yeah, yeah, it was it was a road and it was a road. So what were you drawing upon to be like I fucking do this. I was drawing upon the just the feeling I had from doing it on my own like from doing it with that. The company in college doing it. With my friends after college and the feeling that, you know, the, the motivation from my peers and the and the, the love, I would get from my peers, and, and, you know, acting classes and just working at it. And getting that positive feedback that kind of kept me going. And then once I was in it just literally just the jobs that would come along every now and then would keep me going, and there were so many times, and I wanted to quit and I was ready to quit, and I tried to quit. And then I'd kinda just veer right back into it. How many times did you quit your head? I probably quit like three times the biggest time was, like I was just, like I remember I was up for a part. I was broke. I really needed this part. It was a guest star on a show some networks at calm, and I didn't get it. And I was like, okay, I'm done. I'm gonna go to architecture school because because that's what I wanted to do. At one point when I was a kid, but I had to take these prerequisite classes. So I I in. Role that Santa Monica City College in this like basic physics class. And I just couldn't pass the class. I couldn't pass it. And I was like, oh my God. I'm so out of it's been so long since I was in school. I didn't know how to be a student anymore. So I just kind of stopped and went right back to acting were you able to commiserate with your peer group, that was from UCLA? Yeah. Everyone how everyone else's story. Everyone will everyone was. You know, a lot of them are just kind of on their doing, you know, pursuant it. I think at that point alley and moved back to San Francisco shoot and she started doing stand up and I was doing stand up at around the same time and every time I'd go up to San Francisco, she would already have the lay of the land. She already had a fan base, like she just knew all the rooms to perform that. So she, you know, I'd stay with her, and we just kind of do all the rooms in San Francisco. And I was like, oh, man, it's so much better in San Francisco. And then I go back to LA and just keep grinding it out. And the and a lot of a lot of folks from the group, the original group, from our college years, they're still at it and doing and thriving, which is pretty amazing who are some of those people. Whether it's Allie. Allie was in it. Gosh, there's an actor named Tim shoot, you know, Tim Tim, Leonard who I mean, a lot of them are working actors out there doing it and executives and, and my friend, Hugh ho who's producing. And I'm starting a production company with them. Michael Golomb goes a writer. He co wrote always be my maybe with Allie. And I we all came from the same theater company. It's amazing. Yeah. It's great. Michael Golonka, just a screen that Akira with Tyco ITT, and he wrote that with psycho, and yeah, we're all doing well, it's pretty crazy. I'm so glad that I just learned that I didn't know I was like that deep. You read about, oh, he was in this theater companies. Like I remember when we were I remember like when a while after we graduated, and I'd look back at the company, I was like, man, that was like, you know, like when you hear actress talking about their years at, like Steppenwolf and right. And then you see all the names that came from that, you know, you're like, oh, my gosh, that experiment gave birth to so many great careers. I always felt like art theater company should have been that. But if you think about it, how many stories have been told about second city where the ground how come has been a big profile on this acting tree's been some right of, but I feel like hopefully you know, one day, we'll look back at those years and someone someone all a journalist. That's good. Good story. I did a American theater company in the late nineties. You know, real trailblazing ship. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. It's, it's, it's remarkable to me. And on the comedy circuit over the years. I've gotten to know a lot of comedians that have crazy enough become very successful. Yeah. Partly because they would just eating at a restaurant and they're performing at these really rinky Dink clubs next door. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I feel like you know, like every comedian, it's very weird. Because they all wanted to eat. And again, it's just weird group of people that were grinding it out. Yeah, yeah. Yeah. And I always ask them 'cause it's weird that a lot of them became very successful. Yeah. If they did it on the stand up, they became writers or right and all doing very well. But I think I've seen enough of it to realize how hard it is. Yeah. Everyone thinks they can do it. Yeah, yeah, yeah. It is. I mean I imagine it's similar to your field, and that's exactly why Allie plays a chef in the movie. It's because she wanted a something analogous to what she does for a living. And, and it is a hard hard thing to be successful at let alone, just make a living at. I mean comedy has got to be a weird thing because you're always trying to its competitive. Yeah. I mean, stand up is a different thing. And I and I did stand up for a lot of years, but at a certain point is, is, is not I I'm not good. I don't love it. I don't have the passion for it. But, you know, writing and acting and writing scripts and stuff that, that's all Superfund me. And I think for me it was is, is literally just doing it and getting positive feedback whenever I put something out there and that kept me going, and I always felt like just by. By nature. I don't know what it is about me, but I just felt more comfortable doing comedy, drama interests me for sure. But just comedy felt more comfortable. Yeah. And then one was your first break, and it's not like an overnight thing because you've been grinding it out so long. I mean, I think my I like my first regular thing on TV was Nick cannon has a, an improv show called wild and out on that. I was on that I was on a three seasons, and I was I wasn't on every episode. They tape like two a night, and I'd always be on one of them. And so I was on every other episode. That was kinda my first regular thing and that much pressure, you put on yourself to just crush it so much pressure. I mean, because I was the Asian cast member into this day, because that show's been going on for ages there, there's always an Asian cast member. You know, and it was a, you know, it's an improv show that thrives on kind of ragging on each other. You know, and so I. Do those Asian jokes becoming? I just knew it. So it was it was easy to always kind of have a comeback at the red eight mile the whole. Yeah. Yeah, exactly. And, and it was I mean those, it was so much fun. Great times did anyone ever reach opt for SNL? And how come there hasn't been an Asian cast nets? That's a good question. That's a good. I don't know. I feel like it's like Asian people are in the news. They do like parodies of the news. All that's like what they do. Bobby moynahan in a black way, does not cut it. You know, I don't know. That's a good question. I won't be a game changer. That would be a real game changer. And I think it's going to happen, it's bound to happen. It's been in production for what three five year. Yeah, yeah. And I'd say what the past the past three years, they've been really inclusion. Yeah. You tell their conscious about it. They have a an Asian American head writer. Yeah. One of the top guys writer. That's right. That's right. It'd be great to see a cast member and all of this stuff about inclusion representation like. Listen, it's easy to roll your eyes. I never realized how fucking important. Yeah. Yeah. Me neither me neither until I got to college. Like, again, I grew up not thinking about it, and then I got to college. And then I, you know, I have to college, you realize that you could be fine. But the entire world doesn't see yourself the same way you do because of what they've taken in the end. Also, you don't fully like see yourself how you should see yourself because of what you've taken in throughout your life. So it's great that it's happening, and it's more and more right Warren, more chipping away Asian. It's cool to it. Wasn't it wasn't? That's gotta be weird for you. It is weird for me. It is especially also coming from like an Asian American studies like background because that was something I was passionate about in college and still am professor park talking. Yeah. Yeah. Exactly. But. But I never thought that that would play into an acting career you know, but it is it's all converging, and I feel like the it's nice to have that consciousness while pursuing this career and to see that the industry and the world and the world is like catching up. Are you seeing more and more? Asian Americans trying for parts now Finn comedians still a lack now I'm seeing, I'm seeing more and more. I think it's still a lag a little bit. We still have our parents who are still like not into it, although I think that's changing, you know, because the parents are seeing more faces out there and maybe being more supportive, but, but yeah, yeah, I'm seeing more. And I think it's, it's great. It's great. But we gotta we gotta have more ultimately more stars you get more stars, you could build projects around those stars, those stars and create more opportunities for other people and, and more writers. That's key when I first met alley. And when she. Do the first season ugly delicious? Like is that way? That's when I had her. Yeah. We have mutual friends, and very well respected, and all these things and just talking to her. I was like, man. She has so much confidence representing Asian values. I was like this is crazy infectious. I could never sound like that. Yeah. I mean and her, you know, her bring different from mine, she was in San Francisco. She was surrounded by Asian people Asian American people. She grew up with her parents, taking her to the Asian American theaters, where they'd screen won- car, y and she like grew up with seeing these images. You know. That's weird. Yes. And, and yeah. And she is super con. I wish we I mean, that would've been great if we had that kind of I now I know totally an and she's amazing. She's amazing. I'm real proud to be a friend. Let's take another quick break to hear from our sponsors. Today's day chain show is brought to you by Sonos zone. Us meticulously designs, every speaker from the inside out there experts in acoustics, and engineering, even work with Oscar. And Grammy winning producers mixers and artists to ensure an immersive listening experience. 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So I like try to get some tickets and I magically got some tickets and, you know, and we went and I, I went with this attitude, like, oh boy, you know, this'll be interesting. You know, and I was sitting there in the Rose Bowl, it's packed to capacity kids. Adults people of. Every race singing along to these Kareem lyrics so insane that I could barely understand. I couldn't understand like what they were saying and going crazy. It was like the Beatles and to see that. And the music was so good. And they were so charming and likable and positive, I was intoxicated by it all, but it also made me feel really good about like the future man, their messages, so positive and these kids, they don't care. They don't care that they're Korean, and they don't care that they don't even they may not even understand the lyrics, they're just into them and their energy and their vibe, and I got into them and I'm like I'm way into them. I think they're they're amazing. That's exhilarating to here, and just sort of the more and more successful, Asian people, I talked to that are not in the traditional sort of successful. Buckets, you can almost feel like these, like these weights dropping. Yeah. Yeah. It's like I can be me. Yeah. Yeah. Like you can be the super hardcore Korean I can be. Yeah. This hybrid Korean. Yeah. And it's great that we could be the gamut of humans. You know what I mean? Like, we don't have to be one thing back to BT s and this is again, like seminal moment, I think, in Asian American like history. Yeah, if you were going to be professor park in American history, I would be like asking. Hey, can I write a paper about their episode of the Colbert show? Did you see that? Yes. Oh, the Beatles. Yeah. My job. Oh my God. That was incredible. Couldn't believe. Yes. And kudos to the Colbert team. Yeah. Allow that to happen. Yeah. That was so cool. And if you haven't seen it go. Check it out, because they basically plan on mosh to the Beatles. Yeah. The, the Sullivans Joe. And yeah, yeah. I the Beatles were on national TV in America. Yes. That's right. That's right. Historic moment, historic, I think the parallels are just like ridiculous. You know, I mean downs at the mop tops like it is, we're just at in at a period where people are excited for something different, and I don't know of all ever love. BTS music. You. Yeah. But I respect their game. Yeah. In a means so much to me. I was like couldn't I'm watching like ten times. Yes. This hat. Yeah. That Kobe that and then they're SNL before that, that was, it's so exciting. It's so exciting and so cool. And, and it, it, it makes me proud to be Korean and all of this culminated most recently in the new movie that you create a with alley. Wall, always be my maybe close to. Because like it deals with Asian American issues. Also deals with culinary themes. Yeah, I was like, what is happening? And why on magic mushrooms right now? This is a very weird trip. Yeah. Yeah. You know it. So we're getting that feedback. So fuck like like all the time. But for us, it was like let's just write a great round com. That's all it was. Let's write a great Ron come. That's funny, and has a lot of heart. That's it. And. Just through, you know, because of who we were, we were gonna incorporate our life experiences into the story. And because we're Asian Americans that made it into the story, and, but it wasn't like are we didn't start writing with this mandate where we're gonna being you. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But here how it resonates so much with Asian Americans. It's cool. I was on is the producer about this. And he, he said something that I agreed with that is more impactful than crazy. Rich Asians and incredibly important. Crazy. Rich Asians was the highest grossing Rahm Khan. Bob along. Yeah. And gave people on image that they may not have known. Yeah. And it did tackle some very important sort of Confucian values frankly on a global level. Yeah. And John made an amazing movie and I was so happy for it, really because I wanted. To like not root for it. And I'm like fuck. It's great. Yeah. Yeah. Instinct. That is real. This movie comes out, and I was unprepared for the or were you were you resistant before you saw with I knew what was going to be good simply, because, like, well, yeah, you know, there's no way. It's not. Yeah. Yeah. And also the time in place. And I knew that the messaging was going to be important. Yeah. And whether people got it or not that wasn't gonna matter because I could see that you guys wanted to make just a good movie. Yeah, yeah. And then on you just looked at it on that level. It's a net flicks rom com that people love. Yeah. Yeah, for sure. Yeah. And then I was like, FARC man. I watched it a couple of times with my wife did. That's crazy house like these moments to me. I was like my God. What is happening here? Because I'm never experienced these feelings before as ING you're smoking pot in front of your dad. Yeah. Yeah. That's so great. Now. It's beautiful. That was such important moment. Yeah. For representation. Yeah. Yeah. You know, I it's weird because, you know, I'm in it and then we were in it, and we were riding it and not thinking about that. And but standing outside of it. Yeah. I should like honestly. Yeah. That was groundbreaking really groundbreaking. Yeah. Yeah. It it's, you know, to create those kinds of projects that have this sort of fact, you kinda got not think about that stuff going in. Right. You kind of just got to do what you wanna do and focus on the story and focus on trying to make a good movie. And then, hopefully, if the movie turns out, good, then all of this other stuff will really matter to people, you know. But if the movie shitty right. Yeah see, like who cares at the father was cool with his son, smokin pod. That was a shitty movie. Tackles all these really important subjects. Yeah. And I thought the most important one and again for all the positive crazy retrace what it didn't tackle was not everyone successful. Yeah. Yeah. It's a Hollywood. Representation I get it. But the fact that you were able to play your character. And he was like I've been affected by life events. Yeah. Yeah. I'm afraid of interacting with the world. And dude, like I know so many people. Yeah. He's a he's all those things. But he's, he's also he's cool. He's cool with where he's at. He's happy. He's struggling, but he's happy very nuanced all the things the interaction with his band, because you never listen. You head. Head. Yeah, man. I mean, it was it's the one thing I did have in mind going into writing it with alley. And Michael was, I definitely wanted to give myself as an actor an opportunity to play something that was close to myself, because I, I didn't get to do that much in my career I was always playing these characters, you know, that pulled from, you know where I'd pull for myself to kinda shape these characters, but I never really got to play play me. And it was so freeing to be able to play like me, and it comes across. Yeah. And I was wondering, 'cause I, I wanna talk to someone that's not Asian or of a younger generation to see how they look at these thing. Yeah, yeah. The thing that got me the most though of all the things was when allie's parents, tell her they trying to reconcile with her daughter. Yeah. And I was like this is like a lot of the shit that I've gone through. Yeah, yeah. This moment happened really for me. Yeah. Because my I mean my relationship dad is not great. It's good. But it's like I don't blame him. But you know what I mean? Yeah. Yeah. It's complicated. It's complicated. I mean when they were like we paid. Yeah, that's them saying, we love you and we're sorry. And we're growing up or trying to mature. Yeah, yeah. That's without asking for forgiveness. Asian. People may never ask. I'm sorry. Yeah, but they'll pay no pay that was their way of expressing. We're sorry we were not there for a. Yeah. Also, like we, we had to work, and I think there's the line, where I'm paraphrasing where she says, like our might have gotten cut out. I'm not sure. But the where she says, like our hard work paid off. Look at you but that left the bitterness in, in Sasha and, and for them to pay for the meal at her esteron. That's big move couldn't amazing that. I couldn't believe that you guys put that in them. Yeah. Yeah. Like what the hell happened? This is relation. I mean it's that's the thing it's like we are a community like a real community in these stories like resonate amongst us. And for some of us, they actually happen the way it happened, you know. And for others, it's they've had totally different experiences. But then there's something else in the movie that might resonate with them, and it's I think it's so great. It makes me very proud absolutely. Yeah. Listen, you're not trying to recreate like actual kitchens and all that stuff. But like there was a lot of work that went into it getting Nikki to do the food and. Yeah, I was like, telling people that are in the industry as like it is a movie. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They're trying to tell a story, you're not trying to tell what it's like to be a chef or restaurant. Hopefully it's a romantic comedy. So you know you gotta see it with the different perspectives. Totally. Yeah. And I was trying to tell this to a couple of my friends like the fact that. They have been so nuanced and subtle in trying to get all these little things him. That's the thing it's like, especially with, with fresh off the boat that I what we experience was when you have something that's so different coming out representing people, whether it be Asian Americans or Taiwanese Chinese family or in our movie. You know, the chef world or you know, it's like it can't represent everybody. You know, it's just a story, but people want it to represent them, you know, they're hungry to have their exact experience represented because it, and it is so fulfilling when it when it is like that scene for you. You know, but yeah, it's just the story everyone's gonna ask 'cause it's just so perfect, because no one expected Kiana, is that cool. Yeah. Man. He was he was incredible using credible. I, I didn't know what's expect. You know, I'm not the type of person who is eager to meet my heroes. You know, I like keeping them on a pedestal and respecting them from far because when you meet them they tend to be Dick's, no. But he was great. How did you convince him to play the worst version of himself? We literally sent him the script he met with Allie, and Menaka, and they told them some of his ideas, and, and we did a rewrite incorporating some of those ideas and it back to him, and he was like, let's do it. It was pretty simple. It was hilarious. Yeah. I mean he came he came so game to play had a bunch of suggestions, that made it into the movie improvised, a lot. And he was shooting John wick, three throughout the whole process. I it was like during a small window. He had while shooting John with three that he, he came to San Francisco and played with us, and was so professional amazing. Yeah. Yeah, crazy. So the funny thing is, is you wanted to become professor studying Asian American, or pursuing these ideals, so making the world a better place. I would guess. Yeah. Now have created a movie that will be studied unequivocally. So my opinion. Yeah classrooms. Yeah, yeah. Because these are first time moments right in cinematic history, right? For real. Yeah. That's wild pretty wild. Yeah. You know after I finished at UCLA I was like, oh man I'm not us. I'm not going to be using my degree for anything. That was a was that a way swell wasn't because I was in theater company. But the degree I could have majored in theater or something, you know, and put that to use. But I'm putting it to us, which is kinda cool. Did you think about it that way now? Yeah. Actually right now sitting here with you. I mean, think about this ten fifteen years from now, if you're going to try to be Asian American major UCLA. Yeah. How are they not going to show this Phil? Yeah. I mean, I while while the hope is in two years, they'll be another film like it. But this is the first. Right. Right. But they'll be another one like it, but better, right? And then two years after that. And other like it, but very different, but better, you know, and in one year, you have crazy rich Asians. Yeah. We wanna maybe I'm like, what is happening? Yeah. But there's a lot more stories to be told. And I think they're gonna I think all of them are going to be if he studied, I think you're I mean, you're going to be studied, you know, you probably are already studied. In fact, I'm positive of that. But a lots happening right now. It's like a renaissance for us. And I think people are gonna look at it and be amazed at this time and you help us, you're a lot of this in, man. As amazing when you were thinking about like man, I, I quit three times where you are now. Man, that's Anki man. That's crazy. Wanna get you out of here. What else do you have plan now? Well we were coming back to fresh off the boat. We got six seasons, which is insane. Is a seven season when like that potentially gets crazy lucrative. What traditionally it's a hundred episodes. And we already hit Roger, yeah. Yeah, thank you. So doing that forming this production company with Mike and Hugh, and real excited about that. And that's about it. You know, I'm figuring out what I'm gonna do next as far as movies and trying to write scripts and, and just keep telling these stories have more opportunities come in that post always be my maybe. Yeah. It's been cool. It's been great. I never thought I'd ever get these offers. You know, like I was literally like grinding it out. I just wanted to make a living. That's it end even if I wouldn't make a living, I would have been cool to having a part time job and pursuing this, I was like, that's most likely going to be the case, so I have to be mentally prepared for that. And the fact that I'm like. Offers to do things. That's that's wild. Congratulations. Thank you, as thanks so much. All we need. Now is a six six wingmen and then be. That will be a day. I'm Ben everything's different world for sure that can actually ball. All right. We'll get you out of your thank you. All right. Thanks for listening to that conversation. Really appreciate it. I have Isaac league going to ask me a ask Dave at major Domo media dot com. Question. All right. From nNcholas Paxton, I'm a new farmer, and I raise pigs and other livestock, as a chef what are you looking for and producers? And how does that relationship start also what trends in farming are you paying attention to, so that's a two parter the first being, how do you find farmers and producers and the second being the trends in farming that you're paying attention to things Isaac, and thank you, nNcholas Paxton. Good luck with being a new farmer. It is a very difficult job. And I hope that this is a successful career for you. When I'm looking for new producers, and not just myself my peer group, as well which is looking for good people number one, because you're developing this relationship that is just it's so hard on both ends. It's almost like the beginning of a real relationship. And you want to know is a someone and something then you can get through because they're going to be moments when the other party might let you down. I think about developing relationship with Alan Beden of Madisonville smokey mountain country hams and I called him up after learning about his bacon from Tom curricula craft who had just in dinner at blackberry, farms, and John flee at the time was still the chef, and this is two thousand three two thousand four and I tasted something I never taste before. And again, part of what I'm looking for in relationships is the validation from another chef. And that's how it starts like anything else it's just word of mouth. And if someone that I trust particularly. Tom, click, yo and market Canaria. The taught me tremendous amount for food and cooking and developing flavor. I'm going to trust their judgment, and if they come back, and they're like, hey, check out this new bacon. I can smell it. That's the best thing is like someone vouching for your product personally. And then it was. Oh, wait. I'm never tasted bacon, like this before, I'm gonna call Alan and I called him, and I said, hey, Alan, I, I want to know a little bit more about you, and your story and, and all of these things. And he sends me a package of bacon, and country ham, and on a greasy, like his fingerprints are all over this butcher paper. He writes, a number two pencil, and I'm one of my great regrets, not having this letter anymore how he got into make and bacon and country ham, and it was incredibly moving, and right, then and there, I was like this is a guy that I want to support and I want his help because he makes mazing bacon and country ham. And this is a relation. Ship. That is very important to me. I knew it right then and there and that's like, you know, probably the best example I can give, but there have been many, many others, and a lot of its are, are just people that, you know, n from Gallison's and other example, people that you want to see that are determined and knocking on your door. You have a lot of people that are trying to sell you stuff. You wanna know that people are genuine, and they're going to be honest. And that's the thing that I look at the most and sometimes it doesn't work out. There's a farm out in Washington, the state of Washington, and they're making and growing lambs and goats and pigs. And we worked really hard to try to get their product from the San Juan islands to Los Angeles. It was incredibly difficult to figure out logistics to get their product town to Los Angeles was quite, frankly, a nightmare, and we did it a handful of. Times it was incredibly expensive, but you're willing to sort of go through these pains because you want support the other person, and you just talk to them, and you wanna know what they are like, and what they do, and their values, quite frankly. And unfortunately, didn't work, but we were trying very hard and still trying very hard to get their product more known in the Seattle area. So, you know, if it doesn't work out, it's not the end of the world, because you wanna keep relationships on good terms, because, you never know when that's going to come back to you. So I think the best thing you can do as a new farmer is tried to best thing to raise the best product because at the end of the day, besides word of mouth, all of that stems from do you have great product that people want and a lot of that good product is going to happen, if you raising pigs are they happy? Pigs, are they living? Good life. Are they eating delicious things, and that's all going to be determined from what kind of hog farm? You are. And a lot of times, you, do these relationships with farmers and purveyors, you, visit them and I was able over the years with Paul Willis, who was arguably one of the greatest, hog farmers ever, and he was instrumental in the nine ranch coop to talk to them. And to talk to the farmers. He works with. It's, it's probably one of the best things about being in the culinary industry for all the stupid things in it to develop these relationships to get to work, one on one with farmers is just the best. So. When I look for trends in farming, what am I paying attention to the only thing I'm really looking for is someone that believes in the product and it could be vegetables, like I think about Rick Bishop in, in New York, and everyone in York probably knows him. There's just so many farmers that you get to know on a personal level. And that's all I'm looking for first and foremost is do they believe in their product and are they willing to work with chefs, right? Like a lot of the things that Rick produces their ideas from other shafts, whether they're strawberries or potatoes, and, you know, in Los Angeles, you say the same thing, there are so many relationships that just happened because you visit the market and the farmers, they're on the weekday or weekend, selling their product. And you know that's it and it's not about the trend. It's like is someone you want to do business with and vice versa? Long story. Short make great products. Be. Good person, and develop a relationship and just believe in your stuff. Thank you. Thank you for listening to this podcast. Give us five stars. Or however you rate this podcast on I tune Stitcher, Spotify, you name it. Stay tuned next week for our next episode. Thank you so much, guys. Take these.

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Episode 163: WandaVision

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Episode 163: WandaVision

"Just hello everybody. Welcome back to the film butts podcast. This is episode number. One hundred and sixty three and my name is henry. And i'm paul and this week for the first time. We are being joined by paul's cousin. Bailey so bailey. Hello hello. how's it going going gone. Well thanks for joining us. And this week we have a review of juan division. Vision the complete first season Or i guess just the complete ceres Because it is now finished and so we will be doing a full review. And so we of course. We'll get into some spoilers and all that good stuff so it should be a pretty comprehensive review and then we may touch on a little news maybe Listener question all these stuff. So you got all that. Well it's good to seal bailey unifier meeting for the first time. That's right that's true. Yeah well how's it going everybody. It's good to see you paul. I have ever called you. Paul in my entire life usually call you. Pj paul now. You know it's time off. Call your dad. But that's okay. yeah. I'm doing while i was really excited to get an invite you to join. I love one division. I'm a huge fan. But more importantly i love tv in film. And that's honestly thanks to hall and his sister madeline and my aunt helen for like you know forcing like mega-blockbusters down my throat. When i was little i grew to love it so thanks to you. Look what you did. There were a lot of like midnights. i was telling henry very very early on so lots of midnight. Premieres love the night premieres. They were the best best because endeavor while paul how about you man how you doing you know can't complain i guess Not terribly new going on. It's finally getting warmer. Which is nice You know have been cleaning the patio and and getting ready for like you know actually being able to go outside again. Sure so you know beyond that not a lot. Yeah cool will bailey since you are a first time guest here. Would you like to tell people a little bit more about yourself background. Maybe just interested in film things like that sure. Yeah so it's not. It's definitely more of a hobby right. I watch movies for fun imagery time but i actually play music. So that's that's my. I love my heart lies. I'm currently living in texas. What do you wanna know. I work in new york going back there soon. Movie theaters are opening up new york which is exciting so you know by give vaccinated inaugurals. Well i can start. You know joining a on on that fun again. Yeah that's me but my love for the ncaa. You is only growing stronger each and every day in one division really just kind of solidified it so i mean i can't wait can't wait to talk. I don't know how you feel about it. I reports it. Yeah it's going to be a great a great discussion. Well art on that note. Anything else to mention anybody or should we jump into it. Yeah let's let's just jump right on in all right. Let's get to our review of juan division and we do have a clip. So take a listen on that yes. There are using powers to turn on the light yesterday. Sweet her your lovely rose bushes. That's all are you using your night. Vision vision nothing with you. Have absolutely no reason to okay. So one division is now on disney. Plus it's created by jack shafer it stars. Elizabeth olsen paul. Benny kathryn hahn tionna paris. Josh standard Randall park cat denning. 's david patten or peyton. Excuse me am. I forgetting anybody big. No no that's about it. And the synopsis is blends the style of classic sitcoms with the mcu in which wanda maximov and vision to super powered beings. Living their ideal. Suburban lives began to suspect that everything is not as it seems so this one just recently wrapped up or premiered. Its last episode. And there's been a lot of buzz about this one over the last few months. And yes so bailey. You are a guest which you like to kick things off. What did you think of one division. Sure i mean it's kind of tough to to sort of. There's so much. But i guess i'll try to start six rescue. I like so. I think that first and foremost this was a really risky thing for disney to do but i also feel like it was really refreshing expectations or super-low. Now kind of go into it. It's like all right. We're going to tell a new story eric. Continuation of story through the medium of sitcoms. Like it didn't totally eight. I was just kind of along for the ride but was pleasantly surprised. Because i feel like you know. Kevin feige made good on his promise that this wasn't going to be something that he needed to. You didn't need to be a superfan rights to kind of connect was gonna be a new story and if you were around for the other movies and you were a superfan there would be payoffs but there needs to be I think that you know my ability to connect with. It was great. So i think you know it was a very well told story you know there were a lot of love. Fan theories circulating around. I think fully didn't get sucked into that warm lake. You know to intensely. And i was happy that i didn't because i think for me you know i was really satisfied in the show wraps but i think it was a great timing of you know wanda story in. It was incredible. acting showcase for Just thinking so charismatic and versatile you know we can get into that later but she really blew me away. The acting was incredible. The shows nuance. You know the attention to detail was there for me and i just feel like it was it was so and if this is our introduction into phase four. I'm really excited to see what comes next. Now what would you say before. This was your favourite marvel film or tv. Show yes so. I think you know. It wasn't like a tenure stretch of so many movies. I am not going to pretend that. I am the biggest fan ever of all of it. I just like the movies. That i skipped. I probably started to get back into it. Maybe like guardians of the galaxy. I was like all right. This is like prescribed brings a cool energy. But i think in game in an infinity war. Guess we'd put those. There just seemed to be so much so much pay off for the fans that were kind of along for the ride. So that i kind of went back. Started watching some of the movies that interesting marbles ability to kind of build world bill in a way that hasn't quite caught on to yet is definitely interesting and it felt like something. I can kind of get behind but chancer questioned. Favorite probably does to infinity warren game. Because they were just so epic in really wrapped. Everything together nicely. Yeah what about you well. I'm on now. My my favorite probably would be think still is the winter soldier. I like captain america and so that would be. That'd be my favorite now Do you wanna go or shall i for one division. I'll let you go okay. So i as we talked about it on the show paul you. You'd watched it week to week. Yes yeah i. I only saw it all in the last week. When i had finished and i had heard a lot about a lot of buzz and so i don't think i liked as much as y'all seem to. I thought i loved the last two episodes. I thought those were top notch. But i did not enjoy all that much. The sitcom oh maget recreation. And like i mean. I'm a big sitcom watcher. I love all those shows that they are paying no mosh to and it almost felt at times it was too close to where it was just like like out almost rather be watching the sitcom as opposed to seeing it recreated nothing against the attempt at it because it's very clever and it's very charming but that part i didn't enjoy much thought the cast costs across the board was great. I think elizabeth great paul brittany tiana paris. Kathryn hahn is probably my favorite part about the whole show and so it was a little difficult for me getting through that first half or so but i thought that by the end i was really enjoying it but i think there was a lot of unevenness for me in terms of my interest in it is that makes sense. Okay paul sending tom. Well you know i. I love film and tv history I think that a lot of the a lot of the stuff that i enjoy. The most oftentimes is made by people who have a deep understanding of the history of it and where it came from and how it formed over time. And so i enjoyed the just sort of wormhole of going back down. The process of you know Fifties too early. Sixty sitcoms tino sort of early sixties to sort of late sixties early seventies sitcoms And i really loved it. Because i did think that it was like a fan. A fantastic recreation that also utilized several actors from its own sort of mythos to really just help build on those themes of of the sitcom nature of it. And i enjoyed the ride quite a bit wanda characters that i've enjoyed the most that haven't gotten the most time on screen and it's obvious that all four of these shows are meant to highlight those characters that have been sort of short cheated in the name of the a. Listers and i thought that this was a wonderful way to kick it off. There are ways that you know. I think that i could nit pick it certainly And i think that there are some legitimate ways where i would have liked. Some things changed or would have liked some time sort of spent elsewhere during certain parts potentially or or maybe even had like another episode in there just to give me some more time with other characters but for the most part i thought that it was honestly fantastic and i think that if this is the quality of shows that the mcu is going to be doing moving forward that. I'm really really excited. Because i thought that this was one of their more inventive ideas that they've done just kind of period across any of of their properties Interesting i'm so glad. I'm so happy i think. What is he going to say like now. That's great i agree with you. Know yeah i mean like for me. It was a whole great deep dive. You know i love research and so it led to major going down this entire rabbit hole you know of all of the shows that are referenced in and going back to tv history and it was just I think that it's it's one of those things that hits four kind of like bailey was saying it hits for fans of of marvel for shore if you've been with marvel the whole time but also it does really hit. I think for fans of just like the sitcom genre in a big way. I don't. I don't know what sky tilly exactly things of this. But he's a friend of ours. Who love sitcoms. He wrote a sitcom in college. Took a whole class on sitcoms yet think he liked it. Yeah i would. I would imagine so and so but i think that speaks to those sorts of people as well you know. It was a great excuse to go back and watch truman show as well and i. I just think it's a great densely packed series So i think for me. It was it was kind of. I guess to go wrong for me. Maybe i'm just a sucker for it may be it's you know but a well and let me say i hate being like the sour grapes of. I know it just that that recreation i again i love all those shows. Something about it just not did not work for me i it wasn't it didn't really all fit together for me and i think also not only that but then when it would cut away to the randall park and who who i love love that guy and then the cat dinning storyline. It would just kill the pace because then they would start talking about like infinity stones and all this stuff and it would be this relate jarring cut back from one setting to the other that i didn't really have much interest in but that being said it's still like it's such an odd show and they're such a self awareness to it that that's that's something i liked. It's just that there would be episodes whereas like i. I really love this. I really like it. And i get everything and then other episodes that would be kind of phasing out. Did you want it to be a little bit more Sort of satirical of each of those genres as opposed to like loving re-creations. It was almost like i didn't like that. It had to do like every single era. I wish you have like picked one or two and just lived in that world for more extended period exactly because like watching one episode to another. And maybe that's the issue with watching it all at once but it was very jarring going from one to another as like okay. I have to get used to this whole new world all over again again and again and again and that grew a little tiresome for me again. I'm i see. I seem to be the the sour grape. I'm like the only person. I know who does not like it. So i got today. Yeah did you watch it week to week bailing. I did and i was going to ask. I feel like. I wonder if that anything to do with and then also like the mystery behind it like i had no idea what's going to be about saw the promo material. I saw the pictures or whatever you know but because i didn't know i had the rate i think my brain just kind of started turning week to week and i had so much time to fix a on every bit. Thirty minute episode. My questions were going to be answered the next day or later on that night or whatever so even when i watched it back i was like all right like episode to. I think i could skip it. I get what they're doing The mystique or whatever is gone. now so I wonder if that you know if watching it week to week was the sort of that had any effect on. Yeah out it could have been. Yeah yeah i mean. I definitely will say that It wasn't even though. I love the show. I wasn't one that i was able to binge in like a day or two days. It was one that i did over. I think like three or four days. Not and that's not a negative criticism of the show. But like you know it was definitely something that i had to like pace out for myself because i could have seen myself getting a little bit burnt-out if i had done all nine in one sitting no i i think it also since you came to a little bit you know. Post everything with a height machine built for it. I know for a fact that there are some people that you know. They went into frozen for an example after the hype machine had been going for a long time and then they saw and they were like. This is what the hype machine was built around like this. This is what the promise was the pan So i it could have also been a little bit of that. You know i think. Game of thrones is one of those shows that also does that for a lot of people like the hype. Train is really really big and so you have like a certain you know not in a negative way but you know a certain sort of preset expectation. You go into it and something about it. Then just doesn't click for you and so then it just like just really falls apart. You know. I mean. I think with this show there were moments were missed. I think it sold a in mostly landed. But i just can't fault them for making this creative job in doing something different so i think dot was where i was like all right. Look i'm on board. And i'm in this because they did something that didn't involve. Cgi fight after cgi fight every single episode. or whatever. And i mean this. I guess the first series but Yeah i just. I think even with some of the issues are we can get into rathbone or later. I guess know some of the things that i thought that was so strange. I was just happy that i was watching something that felt fresh. Okay so which of the episodes henry as are doubting as our daughter as our. He'll this time. Which of the episodes did you like. You said the last two last two Were there any others in between there or is it just the last two i liked the cheers one or the eighties won the best out. Say of the sitcom re-creations k. On a very special episode. Yes the one. Where there's the reveal of who gets recast recap. When there's the reveal of that bad episode is one. I liked a lot. Okay yeah what about that one more than the others. it felt like it had more heart in it interesting. Yeah and all the others. I felt like i and again i get. It's a sitcom but it's like. I felt like they were just so all over the place. Nothing it was so self aware. It had pay homage all the time and then i felt like an ad episode. It actually kind of focused. A little bit became more subdued and actually had been like feeling for the characters as opposed to being kind of like glazed over and then that really came through in nine or eight or nine. Because that's like when you're actually learning about that character and it's more of a deep connection. While i get that you need to have a build up of some kind. I think either could have been shortened put into a more singular vision for lack of a better term or something along those lines because i felt like it was a long journey to get to where we ended up. I think what's interesting about you. Responding to episode five. Is that first off. That's the episode. That if you go. I went and i watched the Studios assembled the like fifty seven minute behind the scenes thing a little bit of a puff piece as far as behind the scenes go. But it's fine. I think it's interesting that you say that. That's the one that you that resonated with you because it also seems when i watched that that was the one that people were really excited about doing since that was the one that like everyone that was making the show like that was the sitcom they grew up with And so. I think that that's a really interesting note that that you think. That's the one that had the most heart in it. What's also an interesting note. Is that the eighties. Sitcom is actually also wear and going back to like grounded. More subdued stories. That's where you started to see Divorce and things like that kind of start to go into the rise in sitcoms stories themselves on so that's kind of where they start to to plant the seeds narrative in the in the sort of division between wanda and vision did mean to rhyme. But i do it all the time. Sars will bailey wetter some other things about the show that were there any standout episodes standout characters performing you you a latched onto. Oh my gosh. So i think you know another thing. The representation in a show felt earned in it. It felt like pj. Paul just either. I was just listening to one of the y'alls podcast of i don't remember what it was but you mentioned how sometimes when trying to be diverse or incorporate people of color in in these story lines it seems like sometimes they just check the box right and i feel like the show didn't do that. You know we have randall park. We have monica rambeau. Amazing Got to see some her her origin story. Which for me. I was just like this. is you know. She's the leader of the pack. Right we have this new refreshing trio. And what is her name. What is that actresses needed. A tanta peres. Gray wonderful casting. Inanimate feel like having them on screen it was a short show. We were getting this in thirty to forty minute increments but i felt like it was left me wondering about. The three of them are wondering. Maybe we didn't get as much as i'd hope. But i think that the character development with the three of them like if i was satisfied with it and i was like this is great out. We've been interesting trio that care about somehow. I was able to connect with them in such a short period of finance while. Also telling this overarching story of wanda and her grief in her controlling higher town so it felt like it. It was all over the place in the best way and i thought that they did the best job that they possibly could. And making me feel for these characters individually. So i think you know that for me was was amazing. Actually when they announced captain marvel while back before i knew the Attached to the project. I was hoping that was gonna mean that we were getting our you know our black female. You know bad ass superior. I thought that that's what that net in a bit. But it's still could because i feel like she's paris rate is being received so well and maybe it took kind of smaller platforms to their on now but i feel lake. Run really good player. That was my favorite takeaways from the show. For sure is seeing her kinda did her her powers. I agree like i saw her in spike. Lee's sharak she was fantastic and that But no she. I i totally agree. I think yeah. I knew her from Madman playing don draper's secretaries round. And so. I knew her from there. But i hadn't seen her really in anything between now and then and so. I thought that she did a great job. Actually that brings me to one of my highlights of the of the show but also like one of the things that kind of out i guess one of the highlights was i loved seeing the blip back her perspective where you know she walks right into someone like ride as they appear and they smeared other yells over in. I loved seeing the chaos. I'm liking the payoff of of like. Oh good the heroes. Did the good thing but also like god. What a chaotic action at the same time So i really enjoyed that. One of my downsides for the show was probably just that and it wasn't necessarily the show's fault. It's just that like you know. The last time we saw monica. It was right at the end of captain marvel and she was little and now we see her and she's older and she's got like a career in this back story in this history and i really wish that we could have had maybe a little bit more time to explore some of between those two points Just to fill in some of that character detail so that way that journey that she goes on in that movie earn that show is just that little bit richer and that's certainly something that we can go back and explore you know and other things. I do think that that's pretty are just to get into the like when we when we're going to see her use her powers next. I'm guessing that's a secret invaders setup. The nick fury show. Maybe i thought captain marvel two would be her next appearance actually. They said that he was The the scroll at the end was like he wants to see you. Yeah then front of your mother's and i thought that that was a nick fury since we last saw him on. Like a scroll ship. I didn't you. But i feel like i read somewhere on an article that this actually takes place before far from home right so couldn't it be. Could it be someone else. I don't know i don't have a clue. No i don't either dollar as into it. Yeah i'll have to rule that out. If i had. I guess to to sort of since i did bring up one sort of downside on the show bring up another one. I do also have the same issue for me a little bit with agatha you know i'm not exactly sure what draws her to westview. She became aware of it why she became aware of it. That kind of thing. And i wish that i could have gotten a little bit more time of like what she was up to between sixteen and and twenty something so those are probably two of my biggest gripes is just you know i did feel like i got a little bit left out on those two elements. I'm trying to think if i had like another serious kind of gripe with anything i did like how there was a new theme song every time or almost every time i like that so gotten good but it always has the same stinger sensually embedded throughout it also as a as a little fun fact the Breaking the fourth wall opening credits. Where it's wanda repeated but like on multiple different things is a direct reference to happy endings. Which is a show that was a sitcom that was produced by joe and anthony russo. Fun fact you don here. Yeah that's right to your point though. I feel that question seems like it was sort of answered. I can't wait to kind of learn more and get more time with captain on because she's such a staple she's amazing. Yeah but you know. It's kind of like she wants to absorb everybody's power grade. She's a witch thing and she noticed she says in the show. Magic on autopilot. She's like what are you doing. She's trying to figure out what's going on. And i honestly can't tell. Her goal is to sort of completely shut down her because she tries to do so. But i don't know. I'm excited to get more time with their. But i feel like that might. Just be her thing. She's going around chasing down. Which is in wizards or whatever else. It's a good way. There are a lot of. I feel like you're definitely like mr x. And that was my problem with the show. You know as a whole. I kind of zabel's Toss in the side says whatever it doesn't matter but there were quite a few mr x. Body needs not any you know. It really was wonda all along. Evan peters is just here. I guess i there were tyler hayward right. What's the point at least favorite characters. So i had. I had a few of those rows kinda like. What are they doing to us. They're put us through it. Yeah and. I don't know. I couldn't tell does intentional or if it was just us. Yeah well any anything else in particular. I mean i'm. I'm totally fine to keep talking anything else. Come to mind for you paul. Now i do have a little fun fact so in the second episode this came up from some of my looking up of of tv history and things like that so in the second episode. The commercial in the middle is a watch commercial right. It's a structure. The first commercial that ever aired on tv was a watch commercial and it was about ten seconds long it was for below the watches and like the the map came up and it had like a watch on it and this voice came on like right in the middle of it and it was like america runs on bolovia time and like that was it but yeah there you go and they had like a another commercial in the fifties commercials in the fifties. Were like two minutes long. It was incredible. It was like two and a half minutes. It was a whole like narrated events about getting your man Watch college yeah. So saddam as so don't have thought he had a commercials. Where need there is the one to about llagas right where the paper towel commercial. When you make a masculine means sue and like you know almost wipes out of town. I remember though My favorite of the commercials. I think might be the one. It's it's the yogurt won the claymation yogurt. It feels to me almost like late night. Adult swim you know. Too many cooks kind of strange late night tv special. You know what. I'm talking about The things that are on during the safe harbor our at like three in the morning right safe harbor for everyone at home as time on most broadcast networks where no one gives a shit what you put on. Because it's pretty much considered that no one is watching at anytime so you can pretty much be as loot as you want within certain limits to dr research. I pulled that one back from college. That one just came right out. The back again kuwoh Anything else in particular about one division. Going back to the mr bank to y'all saw the interview with paul bbatni us like we're going to get a crazy cameo at the end of the show and it's so what i wanted to work with forever in just sent like audiences into a frenzy and people are like. Oh my gosh is magneto coming you know. Are we getting the mutants as the introduction of that than it ended up. Being putney in paul dutney thousand other rogers like what like. What are we doing here. Yeah yeah no. I feel that. I know that she's going to show up in doctor. Strange to which is directed by sam. Ramey oh yeah and the final shot the final like post credits scene. When it's the camera going out over the lake into the house you know painting pasture to me that felt very reminiscent of evil dead. Shot of the spirit coming through the woods going through the door stuff. Yeah so honestly. I'll be excited to see what they do with a character like that. I think it would be a great chance for kathryn. Hahn to come back and for her to really just let loose especially with director like sam raimi and yeah you know if again if this is i guess my last thoughts on on this is like if this is a taste of things to come then i guess i'm more excited if it's boulder stranger and also if instead of avengers films we just get sort of you know casual intermingling ver. The next phase are so. I think that will see poets funny. You say that because that's actually relates to are the question we have this week so oh warren length about it surely alright. Well out of five stars for one division bailey. What do you think. I think i'd give it a fire. I was really well done. I love the show. Maybe four and a half. Now that i'm thinking about all the things that upset me like all the mr. Yeah i think it was really well done. It was risky and they pulled it off. Okay henry maybe you go. Oh i mean gosh maybe three point two five okay. You're getting very specific. Yeah three to five point. Five out of ten. I don't know what the quarters for. But i'll go three point two five. Maybe light three mass. Okay okay yeah. I'll four and half. I think that. I think it definitely earned it. I think it's better than either season of the mandalorian. So you know better or worse than agent. Carter better kay bailey. Dec agent garner. High didn't did not see the. I'm not a big captain america. Personally i don't i really like i didn't see civil war i just straight up didn't see i know i just didn't i was like i don't care i don't care about either people like there's it's it doesn't matter to me and i wasn't even on board with lake talking about the tom holland spiderman cameo at the end zone introduction. I wasn't even on board without at the time. now. I have come around. I think he's charming and he's doing a great job. But yeah i mean i didn't i didn't see any of that This was great. It was great and curious. Because you know we're reading you said four and a half Three point two five. I think is what you landed on like adds a whole like what are what are we rating. Because i feel like so. You know the show the the pros and cons of mrs in the things that we saw landed but feel like if you if you look at the show as first of all. I'm kind of thinking about it. As like an acting showcase unlike there should be any conversations being had about lizzie olsen. And i could be alone in that camp but i also interesting about the sitcom our met being just you know the stage in which they decided to tell the story in so i feel like if you just look at the story. You're like okay. This is a female character. Who's greeting immense. Has you know power that. She's kind of learning how to wield at now in somehow manages to be kind of villain but also warm and nurturing in we get to of see her story move along. I think if you look at it like that. I don't know i just don't know how you go below four. Yeah but maybe maybe. I'll maybe maybe it'll come to me later. Henry's pricing contrarian Never is or as he often is a really yes. Ask him how he feels about that. Movie in the heart of the c o. It's a great film ball or the remake of a girl with the dragon tattoo. The censure one. Oh i love it now. Yeah now the more recent one the clarify one. I'm an agreement but we'll save that for another time. I haven't even seen i wouldn't i wouldn't worry too much. Okay let's all right. Well i guess we can touch on not a whole lot of news. I guess the only thing that i saw recently was avatar becoming the highest grossing film of all time again passing a avengers endgame not whole lot to say they're film open. Open backup in china. So that's that's how i did it but Bailey are you avatar fan at all. I mean i think i saw it. What did it come out now. Like fifteen ago. I don't two thousand ten two thousand. Yeah i mean i saw it of course but it wasn't like a rewatch situation than they've taken so long to come out with another one so so so we'll be waiting to see french. Three four and five. I mean we are going to be waiting to see them. Obviously yeah i mean not see. I'm sure do you have strong feelings about avatar. None i i'm yeah i'll see the sequels but yeah i like james cameron but i agree. It's just i of. I'm so tired of hearing about them like all ones wrapped production. Wait no the other got delayed now has to be pushed back year. She's i'm i just want them to be out and then move on. Yeah so that's pretty. That's pretty searing henry. Just want them to be out and to move on that. We think the first one was supposed to come out. What in twenty one thousand nine hundred something like that like you know. We're not keeping track also so many other things have been delayed that now just the keeping track of what has and hasn't been delayed by. How much is also just shit show. Yeah but yeah. I guess that's about it for news anything else. Come to mind for you. All you know they cast the live action power. Puff girls show w with the hat with marvel marvel benefit from agents of shield thoughts concerns if a movie or show. I think it's a show. Yeah movie i might. I might take more interest but now now what's what's premiering on. Cw welcome yeah. I can't wait. Yeah the excitement is just. That's all that came to my head. That's all that i had. Yeah yeah it's been a slow week. Labatt all right why. I guess we can do our touch on listener question. So the film buds podcast at g. Mail dot com is where he can reach us at also facebook twitter and instagram at film buds. So if you haven't followed a stair yet go for couldn't hurt and the one actually came this week on twitter from stage three and they say hi all. I wondered your thoughts on the upcoming marvel slate. I am somewhat bird out on comic book movies and shows but nevertheless do you think as cova continues and more migrate to television censure entertainment. Would you be okay. If major lazer marvel characters transitioned to television. I e what if there was a black widow. Thor captain america starring movie or excuse me series instead of films holy. Enjoy the film butts stage three. Do you want me to start this one at anybody please. Your okay So first off a like when everything was first announced all the we really have really four. Tv shows and the black widow movie. The thing that i actually was the least interested in from the start was the black widow. Movie was immediately more interested in all four of the tv shows as things have gotten expanded. i think that it's interesting that the tv shows are going for so many more of the the deep deep cut kind of characters. I'm excited by the cast. That they're drawing I love the moon. Knight's going to have oscar. Isaac and ethan hawke so right now. Tv probably has a little bit more of my interest in the lineup. Right now than the movies do you. Yeah i think. I'm definitely i mean there's so many i was overwhelmed. When they announced all disorder shows that are that are coming out. There's a you show we have you know. Is it the winter soldier. The falcon and the winter soldier is coming We have the young avengers coming there so much but the one thing that i can't stop the bout is doctor. Strange in also the potential that tobey maguire in andrew barfield might be reprising their role in the next vitamin film. So that alone is keeping me invested in. I'm you know ready to do the work if i have to with these. Tv shows to get thrown. Hopefully sullivan pleasantly surprised. me. But i just. I can't that that spiderman that's vitamin situations. It'd be epic looking forward to and that's you know fell. Yeah so deadly more investment firms for sure. Yeah i i mean. I'm a movie person in general when just discussing the medium so i think that all movies are inherently better than the shows but i think i just almost always prefer seeing a movie and some of that is because you get to go see it in a theater. A lot of the time and so. I think that some of the shows do seem interestingly she hulk and there's the low key series as well and i think they all seem very interesting but i think that the doctor strange film is probably what i'm most interested in And so i think. I hope that they don't like to cut away at the movies. I hope that they still continue to produce as many. Because i enjoy that medium a lot more than television by. That's i mean purely. Mike saying with the the tv show series lineup is that kevin has been very explicit about the fact that he doesn't want the tv shows to polarize audiences or leave anyone out. He wants the films to be sort of the focal point in. You know if you're along for the side pieces in shows and things great there could be payoffs later but you know when you kind of lead with that. It makes it a little difficult to have that. Be something that. I'm like all right. I am invested in in watching what locals doing on the side. Whatever because if the goal is to circle back have everyone started. Come around and be a part of these films. Continue to roll out phase four in a big way. You know. it's it's hard for me to really just on a personal level to sort of get as excited about every series. I wasn't expecting to even with wanda vision. And then i did. Which is great. But that wasn't that wasn't the goal in. Oh sure so. so far. Things that are confirmed coming out some things and don't have released dates I think everything. I'm i'm i'm off the cuffing this so it was one division falcon and the winter soldier. Loki hawkeye miss marvel. She hulk armor wars the guardians of the galaxy christmas special. The what if cartoon ant man quantum mania. there's doctor strange in the multi verse of madness. There's captain marvel two there's black panther too there's black widow there's Shang she and the ten rings trying to think. Oh there's guardians galaxy volume three. I think that's everything that i can think of off. The top of my head has spiderman no way home spider man no way home blade haha blade. I forgot about blade. I think they forgot about blade. Yeah ever since. I heard the casting. I haven't heard another can thing about blade but whatever even though it's the one that i'm kind of most interested in just because you know the old ones are conic in their own very weird way note. The most the most excitement that i have for the movies or problem. Oh i forgot about secret. Invaders the nick fury. Tv show or secret invasion the nick theory tv show the movies. I'm most excited for a doctor strange. The multiples madness and black panther too and guardians of the galaxy volume. Three dr strange too. I love san marini. He's an iconic comic book movie director. He's an iconic horror director. And honestly no offense to scott erickson. I like doctor. Strange to allot. I like a lot of its themes. I like a lot of. What does my favorite part is last part of it that's written by dan harmon and i think that that's pretty telling and i think that scott erickson was a very good director who managed to tell it very competently but not tell anything very boldly and Sam rainy you know if you if you let him will be as bold as you want him to be. And i'm hoping that since they're doing this kind of work with the shows that will see the same level of boldness and pay off with the movies. Because i don't want to go from seeing wanda in something super exciting super interesting different to oh good. He's a humdrum movie again. Like oh good. It's it's exactly the doctor strange too. I was worried. I was gonna get so. I'm hoping that he does bowl. Things black panther too. I'm excited but apprehensive for obvious reasons. I don't know what the next answer is. I don't know how it's gonna feel it's going to be very very weird And guardians volume pump for. Because i just love that franchise. And even though i have my own issues with the first one and the second one. They are very very consistent. Oh thor love and thunder. I'm in. I was gonna say we go. We go natalie portman so yeah. There are definitely things that i'm certainly invested in. But also at a certain level for me as a fan i guess i was really really invested in iron man to the end of end game or Also including far from home. I just had to see phases one through three get done after that. I was pretty much like if it all goes to shit. I don't care. You know as long as i can get from phase one through phase three and complete that journey with these characters that i started with all the way back in two thousand and eight be satisfied and after that if it all goes away boohoo by law something something so i'm just honestly pleasantly surprised that it's still going well but also yeah if it turns out that wanna vision is a is a gem amongst a heap of shift. You know i also. Won't i guess be too upset. Anything else about this subject. Yes yes always. Because it's another chance for me to grind on star wars because fuck you star wars i will always be glad that marvel is telling me the next part of the story instead of retroactively going back and telling me more about what happened in between stories a b and c. Because at least i am past endgame. And i'm moving on with the same characters and i'm losing characters and getting new characters than i am at least cr- aggressing just fair enough. Yeah all right cool. Well thanks yeah h three. Yes and again. The phone buds podcast at g. Mail dot com is where you can reach reach us at so stage. Three from that was on twitter. Yeah but like geographically. Did it only username paul. I am sorry about that. One so far canada's still are furthest listener wise. We have gotten some from england in the in the years over the years. I think but yes canada. Since since my edict it has in canada okal said gotcha. Yeah okay well. I guess we can use end off with our picks of the week. Sure so bailey. You've been watching anything else recently. Now i have actually. Winning wanted to japan last week. Yeah i've been looking to get into something else. Though i started arrested development but what are what are y'all's picks the way. Paul i don't know you know. Lauren and i have been going back and actually rewatching some of the mcu because we started watching wanda division so like the last the last movie i watched. I can't choose as my pick of the week because it was the pet cemetery. The second adaptation of the most recent one. The jason clarke one. Oh yeah and it was absolutely terrible. Doesn't boring great. Yeah no. I did not have a good time that That fucking forest looked fake. That couldn't look any faker at all. Oh you know what. I do have a pick of the week. I do the pick of the week that i have is undercover brother. Known here is seen undercover brother. Now now okay. It's kind of like a send up of blaxploitation films from the seventies and the premises. There is this underground spy network called the brotherhood That is dedicated to Truth justice in the afro american way and it has dave chapelle. Neil patrick harris denise richards. Chris catan chime mcbride. And it's a it's a hilariously funny funny movie from two thousand and two that is still very very relevant in its own very very weird way So if you like things like blazing saddles and that kind of thing and tropic thunder. Then you'll probably like undercover brother noca- give give it a look who. I watched the matrix. Which i hadn't seen in a long time and i loved the matrix. It's a great time. Are you excited for the new matrix movie. Not really. that's okay. I still. I still love the first one. Many are there four. How many. I've never read three movies. And then there's also the animatrix which is a series of shorts that are compiled into a thing. And then actually if you wanna get really technical little fun fact in non game called. Enter the matrix that is Centric on jada pinkett smith's character. Oh bills in the plot. I think between movie two and three of what jada was doing. Thank abba matrix wife. Yeah she's in the second third one she becomes. A laurence fishburne's love interest rate. She's letting captain paul. I'm really glad you brought those up. You're welcome yeah. How was the first matrix though. Oh i love it now. Yeah i love it. It's a great time. How do you feel about the The witkowski siblings. I think cloud atlas is really underrated. Speed racer right. I guess time and place. That'd be a good one to review at some point. But what's up. Time and places an interesting phrase. Because i once knew a guy in college who looked at me and told me that his plans for the weekend where to drop acid and watch speed racer so i guess there is that option but no i think they can get. They've had some flops. But i think for example cloud atlas. It was a flop financially. But i think it's pretty great as home And then i love the first major excite at nc their netflix show was that sense eight sense eight in never saw that but they leasing sense like habit wrote. So no i'll i'll i'll see the new one. I like yang. And i watched the village. Which paul i know you. Don't you don't love. I don't think i'm i actually enjoyed a fair bit. Those cloaks are amazing. The yellow and the red. I love it what's up. I suddenly thought of news that. I forgot to mention ways and this is a good one. The razzie awards came out like the the nominee came out this week. We'll have christine was nominated for one released for. No our really yeah. Summer are dj for doolittle as well. Yeah yeah yeah yeah. He deserved it. Deserves it yeah. Sorry just to interrupt with a little side interjection everyone should go and look up the razzie knobs this week. They're they're a good laugh. Yeah a fun game. Go back to your birth year going back. As far as the you know razzie awards allow And see what movies were nominated in your birth year for you. Sounds like a blast. Yeah that's my pick of the week boom there you go and that i think that's about it for me. I can't believe you picked the village all things to what was it was on owen. I d i say everyone signs last week. I don't know what they're they're both on amazon prime so i said all right. I'll go with it. What i now what. I pay money when i rent it probably not. I think i do own the blu ray button k. Important it's i finally realized i think what triggered the razzies m night shyamalan is a razzie award winner Multiple over The last air bender movie and did he not get for the happening. Yeah not sure probably more likely yeah. Cool anything else. Y'all want to mention about anything. I wish i had a better pick of the week. I just watched a lane is again in. That reminds me of the greatest movie i've ever seen. Which has been housing apo- paul in his disturbed not alone. My cousin made me watch that. When i was kind of little in it was scary at the time. But it's actually the greatest movie i've ever seen so you should always watch that if he can. That's true and out there. Yeah i think we are. Getting a reboot reboot or some kind of we. I think so what isn't sure sequel series very true. Paul yeah i was just gonna say so Interesting things relevant to current media history through our own lens of past media history so looking into tv history the way that nbc kind of really got going came about from ge buying radio company and wanting to secure radio patents and that led into nbc having radio programs And then that led into them eventually. Having tv's and so the reason that nbc ended up getting into the tv game was to create content for this technology that they had been figured out how to you know sell and use and make so it was someone getting into a business to sell something and currently the whole show that we were just talking about disney plus was a part of a bunch of you know a major media conglomerate who realized that they had an app and then realized that they needed to if they wanted to sell it go and create content to put on to that thing So media is a cyclical beast. It is ever changing. And if you ever want proof of that. Go into the media. Sort of history from radio to tv to now streaming and you'll see it happen time and time again. Well said paul thank you. Yes all right well. Yeah i guess that is about it now next week. I know you had some ideas. Do you want me to pull it up. Sure all right. Let's see everyone. Paul has somehow discovered a sort of randomness to the way i choose episode topics and so he has created an outline of potential reviews which is great. And i appreciate you doing it. Okay so or this coming week. We've got as options tom and jerry. The most recent movie coming to america. Not the sequel. We're going to do a retro review of the old one if we do coming to america and if we want the snyder cut and we could bring back nick delgadio who has volunteered the four hours of watch time to tear it a new asshole on on our show So nothing against nick. He's great but you don't wanna. Why would rather watch tom and jerry twice. I'm gonna watch this neider. i'm not i'm not. I'm going to watch it either way but you know who am i to say. So which what. She leaning towards lynn henry. Well i don't know. I mean 'cause i'm gonna watch both put them on a dartboard and throw a dart later all right. We'll figure it out but yeah but everybody knows the options so you know just updated on on social media and all that good stuff so we'll figure it out on an chime in if you can. Yeah sometime between like now. And let's say wednesday and if a certain number of people pick a certain direction you know. Yeah we'll follow it. Yes please take a certain one. So cool well bailey. It's so nice of you have the time to talk. Would love to get you back on some other time. If possible of course and paul as always thanks. Yeah thank you. It's always good to be here are well. We hope you enjoyed it as much as we did. And we'll see you next time

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When They See Us, The Perfection, Always Be My Maybe

I'm Obsessed With This

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When They See Us, The Perfection, Always Be My Maybe

"Ooh. Welcome to I'm obsessed with this podcast about the shows and films. Everyone seems to be talking about and why I'm your host Bobby finger and today, I'm joined in studio by franc Hoffner rider slash grad student. Living in Jersey City, whose work has appeared in the all right. P bus. The cut Boulter W R and other places. Plus, she has a podcast with Caroline Simon's called law school. Subscribe now it's good. I would just listen to the Alfie one. I'm also joined by Jeff lap at a former blogger and net flicks user since two thousand seven honestly, that's an incredible biopic. Love it. Nope. He loves he loves the flex. That's why he came. We were going to do a Hulu podcast and he was like, I won't do it hard past. But yeah, these are two of the smartest movie goers, that I know most voracious movie goers. I would call them center files, maybe. Yeah. Yeah. Very funny. Very great love that they're here with me, and I'm lucky to have them on to talk about films and mini series, two films and a mini series. Thanks for coming as you'll be having a spoiler Phil discussion of all titles today. So check the time coats in the show notes in case you would like to skip those sections. So let's start with the beverage situation last week, both guests asked for still water, not sparkling coffee. Not anything not company, not nut. You know, anything they just wanted still water, you both chose coffee Jeff with the hot yet, lacked Fran. With iced oatmeal. I got ice with how is it great? It's great. It's good. Yeah. I felt like a would be a waste if I didn't ask you to bring us coffee here noted fan noted Java head. This is a great example. I think we'll have examples gooey, it starts joke, and then it becomes an actual part of your DNA. Ri- was, like I remember laughing at just Java as a personality of always thought was really funny like Cracker Barrel. Sinek about Java beans needing caffeine. Don't talk to me before it. I always that was very funny, fully as Joe now. But now I really now I'm like, that's so true. Like me before my Java meet after my Java icy myself, and both of those who relatable it's extremely relatable. Is there anything like that for both of you like something that started as a bit? And then became completely Ernest while, I mean, I think everything about Ansel Elgort started as kind of a bit. And now is really genuine. So you can't wait for the goldfinch he. I watched that trailer today. I was like, all right. Fair enough. Someone I was in a text by with some people this afternoon talking about it this morning, and someone described his puffy lips his pillows shares like I would people have been, you know, lusting after an cells pillowy lips a year ago, probably not that same person don't less for him. Really? You just like him. Yes, like yeah. I I don't feel any here. Nancy fan, ES Daniel. You are you, you used to just kind of laugh at the idea of an sell yet because I, I love the idea of actor slush DJ, and I love the sort of side EDM career. And when he'd be like I've been DJ -ing way longer than I've been acting. It's like, okay calm down. I wasn't checking you know, but now that he's gone full acting. It's like I'm ready. I'm ready envy Aleta as extremely lovable doing you'll Bon. Oh, she so good. The goal Finch looks good. Yeah. Why not sure I don't remember? I know for a fact that I read that book. Wow. Uh-huh. That I read it. I don't remember it. Yeah. I got nothing version of it. Yeah. I'm sure it'll be an entirely different experience. Yeah. How he sees it. Yeah. Is there is there someone you've ever like fan Boyd over as a joke, and then realized may no Diane lane? How could that ever be a joke? Will it started out as, as a joke because I was talking on Twitter about, like how nobody ever like sends me links to things or sends me pictures of anything? So, like I guess I should just be loud about what I like and I picked Diane, Diane lane. And I just wouldn't shut up about Diane lane for, like, two three months, and I worked it worked people kept sending me pictures of Diane lane, and telling me about stuff that they saw Diane lane, and it was this was, like right before Batman versus superman, Don Justice. And so, is that where she's like, she's a press dance, since she the, the answer? The martha's. Okay. Oh, sure. Yeah. So yet, Diane lane she's great. Have you seen under the Tuscan sun? I haven't yet. Oh, that's peak denied. You gotta see that. I might feel like too much Diane lane from any to mentally prepare for it. You gotta see have you seen. Oh, you gotta see under the Tuscan sun. It's not. What's she doing under that sun? She's starting over is what she's doing. She starting over. What are you both watching on Netflix? Right now. We gotta start with that. We gotta start with them. Fran. I'm still rewatching. I think you should leave. I cannot stop. I've been saying, oh nice like it's actual. It's worse than the Java problem. It's, it's broken apart. My brain's infiltrated our language at home. What's your favorite? What is your favorite lines from the not even just car focus? What's the line? You revisit figure out what you do. You've had all summer to think of it is. So funny. I love how when he slurs. His words together. I just love the thing. That's just in my head and won't leave is how he in that sketch with the low did not shows just like tearfully looks at his Dayton's like. And my wife and I have just been saying that to each other back and forth. It's what's. I love. Oh, nice. And I also I also love he it in a few of the sketches. But specifically the woman they the babysitter spiral he goes at all. They don't matter at all. They're like the. I've been saying all too much too much. I can't get over is that you just watching, I should leave over and over and over and over and over, and then I'll stop it episode and I'll just like, pick it up a couple days later and just keep watching threat. Really? It's, it's a mental problem for me. I have you seen his episode of the characters. No. It's the second to the last episode of that series. And it's like another episode of I think you should. There's one sketch from that, that I that there's a quote from that one where he does like an old timey sorta like gambling nineteen twenties. Gambling guy loses and goes goes, oh, no. I'm broke. Basically, when it gets like Thursday every week. I'm Ernie like I'm picturing, I love it. I'm already repeating over and over you so good. I had no idea he was. I'm not I'm not well-versed on like the comedies. And I feel like everyone knew who he was. Unlike was really a huge fan of him. He was kind of an underdog type guy. I hate this phrase, but he was like a comedian's comedian, okay? Yeah. It's like the people really know him and like outside of that he had never really broken through, had that one season of SNL. But it's not like he had this sort of, like breakthrough character over that season. So, yeah, what a nightmare that must be you get one chance, you basically get one chance on that show. Once you're cast, and if that I doesn't work out, like good luck, I guess that seems like how it usually works out. What have you been watching? What I I'm kind of like inbetween Netflix shows right now. But I wrote down some things that I have been watching. My wife will watch gossip girl and parts unknown and kind of come in, in out of context, bits, and so I've seen a lot of. Scattered episodes of gossip girl loves captain, scattered episodes parts on down, oh to birdie. I've really loved to go to birdies guessing we have a call about that which I will play right now about Islam. I'm obsessive to Edinburgh. I think we handle is a genus. I love the character designs on Jack horsemen, and they're even more creative onto gun Verdy. There's literal plant people. But the show also talks about, like realize issues through these intimated birds, and it made me feel things and made me laugh my APPA. So I think everyone should watch it. Yeah. I just I love I just love how demented it all. Seems all of the sight, gags love the way they animate them walking. I love how they get hung up on these weird animation. Bits. There's a part where Steve Yun is his birdie's boyfriend, and I've never felt so owned in occur to. For just like specific specifically called out his whole deal is that he's very routine in very does kind of things the usual enders part where they're trying out new things with the relationship, and it's not really working and birdies like we could get back to doing things, the usual way. And Stevens character is same speckled, speckles, chanting, usual way. Away. And I felt that in my usual, a big fan of the what's wrong with working. I love art side. It seems very I could do that. But I didn't. And also, I couldn't do it as well as she does it you know, like I think it's like deceptively simple looking it's so unique even though it looks sorta like childish. Yeah. And some people, but, you know that it's very singular and you know Marian on her Instagram stories, and it was like she had a print of this. Like male nude like in beautiful golden hour and her -partment. She's Emden on it, and it was, like, what is this, and it was Lisa? Hanna wall. It was Lisa print, and I was like, well, I'm gonna go this later. I'll have some books. So colorful it should look at. And I never I, I never got into Bo Jack I probably should just didn't it didn't land for me than either. I watched a couple of the first step associates, and it just didn't stick with me. And everyone, I know has been saying you gotta keep on going just get better. And I. I haven't gotten around to isolated screen shots from it. I always laugh at whatever the joke is. But I've just never gotten through the first few, I'll get there. Yeah. They're just add it to the pile. So let's just get right into we're gonna talk about when they see us the new Abe do Vernay mini series, when talk about the perfection, the new Allison Williams vehicle, and we're going to talk about always she. She's back with vengeance. I wanna talk about when they see us first we all watched it or episodes, eventually I was like, oh, four hours. They're each push an hour and a half. And they're all extremely different structurally, and styles. I wasn't expecting. I kind of went into it expecting of more standard. True crime e- thing, the people vs OJ sort of situation, but it's not it's very cinematic able to Rene directed all of them co wrote all of them, it's about the central park, jogger case from nineteen Eighty-nine about the five boys who wrongfully convicted of assault rape. They were, you know, a lot of attempted murder. They were just all of these charges piled on. They did not do it. There have been a few documentaries about it in the past, including, I think a Ken burns documentary from a few years ago called the central park five, but this is kind of the first fully formed dramatization of it. And what did we all think it was? It was incredible. Mazing. Yeah. It was one of those things where immediately when it starts, I think within the first, like ten minutes you realize, especially watching early before kind of Elba praise. And the buzz has has already been documented. She like, oh, this is this is going to be the thing that everyone's talking about Pretty's. And this is gonna be kind of an important moment. I'm in television this year. What you think also Fran. I loved it. I thought it was amazing. I think one of the things I like most about it is, how not pulpy it felt and I like people versus. Oh Jason and what little I've seen of American crime story. But I just love that it didn't have that, like true crime sheen John what? So it's like not the place for what this story is. And I didn't know a lot about this case when I did. No, I knew just only in context of, like the Donald Trump full-page ads. And that was like talked about in twenty sixteen. But a lot of this was new to me, and I just think it's like beautifully crafted an incredibly acted it was like a very brutal, but very good. Watch one thing that they're talking about her is that she can. Go. She can do films into documentaries should television, and then this sort of kind of inbetween thing this miniseries its own sort of medium. She's really good at balancing like brutality with simply beautiful. It's empathetic. And it's never melodramatic, you know, and I feel like they can always veer to that. Like, I think with the people vs, OJ stuff, there's a lot of like seen chewing in that show, which works and the people vs OJ like it works in, especially when you have these same characters throughout the entire season. And in this one, it's sort of broken off into these little, four vignettes. You have the actual arrest and the coercion from the police in the first episode, you have the trial in the second of the trials, and the second Assode, they're sort of reentry into normal society in the third, and then the kind of complete horror story of the fourth one that's just about one character. And I don't think that many people could do that kind of as gracefully as she did it jails. I think it helps that she wrote it that she had complete creative control over the entire thing. What did you think? I think it's. She, she handled it all very respectfully as well. One of my worries going into it was that, you know, just by nature of forming a narrative around a true crime thing, it sometimes makes it feel expletive. And that wasn't the case with this when there's a lot of humanity throughout. And from the first episode, you really just caught up in how heartbreaking and just infuriating this cases every any scene with all the detectives just kind of crafting things to fit their narrative of the events, not necessarily the truth of the events was just shaking, and that I oppose it as, as a nightmare like Phyllis Huffman to is just such a villain in, in this. And like a not seen chewy villain. No reform. And especially that final thing that she has in the last episode even when people are shown the truth, they find ways to just rationalize themselves out of it. And. That scene. She's like no. That's not what happened. I'm sorry. I did the right thing by lick to her. She's doing the noble thing. And yes, she's still a monster and completely indefensible. But like cheese cells that she sells like, oh, I understand, like why. She can sleep at night. I know why she's acting the way she's acting got Justice for women who was used and thrown away, like garbage those boys did that we helped make sure they got what they deserved. And I'll be damned if I'm gonna lose a wink of sleep over it, and it's too bad you are. Thank you for buying the books. Enjoy. Liberal, three, the actors who were aged up, and they got adult replacements in that really great third episode. And then Cory Cory who was played by Giral Jerome who was in moonlight. What does he I was, I was having the exact same reaction was like why do I know who this is and he's Little's like I kiss for everything. But he was cast in both the young and the adult roles Eva, let him take a month between filming young and old. The gain a little bit of weight, and like get into character so that he could try to like emotionally prepare for the whole prison sequence. I read something about how they had grief counselors, like yeah. Everyone has nothing yet during the filming because it was so intense. I one thing I really liked the show is that obviously people are going to be in and out of the narrative, but the one constant of the parents and, or they're always there, and they're always played with the same people. There was something really powerful about that. And especially nieces character who goes through, like a whole cycle of like she's monstrous in her own ways, and then she tries to redeem herself. And it's sparking from. You. Getting out. Slow down. What are you talking about? The man. Actually become fast. Coming up. It's really good. I just I don't know, sort of drama is of whole watch something better this year. And it's again I think the, the structure of it was so unique. And kind of jarring versa conditioned a true crime stories at this point at about it. I met that tonal each one was a little bit different than the second episode the beginning of it, it feels kind of structured like a almost Catholic sports movie in the whole. Here's the crew, here's the who's who here's who were up against and they're all arriving at the courthouse felt a little corny. But like it I think it also served, but it felt corny at first, but I think it also served the narrative of that episode where these kids have a little bit of hope in them before the verdict is read, because the evidence clearly like points, that it's not them. And then they get guilty verdicts, and it's just the rugs pulled out from under him. It's just so heartbreaking to watch yet. They're, they're all pretty convinced. They're gonna go. Home until the very end of that, just watching you're watching their defense, lawyers like, do it extremely good job and being like, well, I don't see how anyone could vote against this. Josh Jackson being Josh with Jackson is and such a good job. You'll like I love the Billick shall focused thing they would do really frequently with the with just the faces a lot of that derive Jing the very Jenkins. I mean really powerful especially beyond a lot of that third episode reminded me of the like, Brian teary, Henry sort of, like anecdote in feel street, which is like such a beautiful part about like readjusting to the world. And like the sort of soft focus of how everything seems like out of place. Everyone should watch when they see the thing about this everyone will watch when they see us that's gonna be one of those things that like you will hear about. Fortunately, we've all watched it on conversations about it. It's like the best thing I can say about it able do is like there aren't there are many people who were Marshall green comeback is starting. And a half. I gotta say I love to see John Leguizamo at a ten minute, Mark and something. Oh my God. My hands, dad turn. So good. And it's just like this is he's no longer the pest you know. No, he's the daddy, the he has that moment when they're walking into the courthouse. And like the journalist says in Spanish like about his son, and he in Spanish like you should know better than to do this. She should know better. You forget the was almost just a really good actor. Yeah. You people that you put on the comedy bucket, and then they go and do something like this, same thing with knee. See Nash who is doing drama for some time. But like nothing like this. Right. I mostly know her from comedy, getting on I'm like God. It's only two seasons. It's so good. Oh, okay. It's, it's the one about the doctors you know about this. H B O, Alex Burstein, niece, Nash and Laurie mecca. Oh, three doctors two seasons incredible. Let's move on to always be my maybe rom com. One eighty degrees. Yeah, starring alley Wong Randall park. Alley wall of comedy fame round part of. Of fresh the boat, fame directed by nutca- con, who created don't trust the apartment Twenty-three. That's funny. She's a prolific TB writer. This is her first movie rom com is back. Here's another piece of proof that the rom com is back. Would we think of always be my maybe great title, great title, great Kiana Reeves, moment, the rest of it? I would say that, that was the high point of the movie for me because it was just so bizarre. Felt like it was out of the was it came out of something completely different. He's really in the movie he's in it. Yeah. He's in the movie, and then he suddenly out of the movie. Yeah. Let's talk about this movie is about alley long Randall park. Childhood best friends live next door to each other. In San Francisco, rental park's. Mother dies mother taught Allie. Wong's character. How to cook? Because alley was frequently home alone because always at work. They grow up. They have one bad romantic moment. Sex in the back of his car when they're like eighteen years old, it goes badly. They insult each other. They never see each other again until twenty nineteen when they're both thirty four point is they never make it happen. He comes back into her life because she's in San Francisco, because she's a famous chef now, and their romances rekindled, sort of, but they both have partners will they are won't lay spoiler. They do. But then there's forty minutes left and Jonah Reeves is a main deciding factor in their eventual reconnection like all great like all great. Couples of gem. What'd you think of always be? My maybe is this little disappointed by an if I'm being honest. I, I really wanna root for it because I love that we're at a point now where we've got to Asian leads in a romantic comedy at love that romantic comedies are back, and I'm for it, but I just couldn't really get entirely behind the sun. I. Felt it was a little too long. And like you're saying they get together. And then there's forty more minutes of it. The, the I there are a lot of funny things that I liked about it. There's a great joke about a Glenn Close ordering a pineapple sandwich, which I, I loved, I think both of the leads alley, and Randall or of very funny. But I I it wasn't really hitting with the with the supporting cast, and I feel like that has that has always been one of the hallmarks of the, those top tier rom coms, the supporting cast is always is always bringing it there the scene stealer. Yeah. Yeah. They're seen Steelers. And the there wasn't really much scene stealing going on in the sporting Cassar framework. You think I was also a little disappointed by, I think it suffers from like I, I want the wrong com to be back so wholeheartedly. I'm finding that a lot of the more recent ones the leads just do not have Chem. Mistry and I don't know if I felt the Elian rental had chemistry with each other that came off, like two people who had been friends. I know they like co wrote it together, and it does have that kind of like friend energy to it. But I just didn't really feel any kind of like good flirty energy between them, and I don't think it like was actually sort of grappling with the idea of like harboring romantic feelings for someone. You've shared a lot of your past with, like, didn't almost like buy into its own premise. There was those reveals that final reveal where she's like I've had a crush on you. My whole life was presented, so casually. Like there weren't big emotional moments the way that you expect in a rut like overly dramatic moments where like this profession of love, takes everything out of you even the ending. I felt like nothing was big. And I and, and yeah, that's what makes Rahm comes when believable. And I kind of think that was one of the points of this movie to make something that voided those little tropes and present. -ted something a little more relatable, because they make a compromise at the end of the movie that is a little rare. Maybe in another room com. She would have sacrificed, her New York dream, or he would have sacrificed something. But he was like, no I'll move for you. Yeah. I love to see that like idea sort of gesture Doorns, IKEA to have the career that I want. And he's just like all go for it. But I was just like okay I figured he would do that. Seems like a good idea. I guess, but the Kiana seen alleyway decides that she single. And just before Randall park can profess his love to her. She's like I met someone and we're going to go on a double date tonight. Let's go to this like, dumb fancy restaurant with small plates, and have a double date. And you'll meet him turns out this guy's counter Reeves, and it's canneries playing Jonah Reeves, sort of exaggerated, portrait of like of really egotist, ical, mail celebrity. It's funny, but it kind of overstays its welcome it feels like it's out of a completely different movie, I think, also just coming off of like a month of Keanu like press post on MC three. You hear like one thousand anecdotes about how he's the nicest person alive. So I think like hindering a whole second act on how he's like an actually an asshole under sorta like I know this isn't true. And like, I don't know like celebrities as themselves being assholes is sort of like a trope in movies and TV that I'm sort of, like, I don't know. I have heard theory on this. Keanu. Moment that I've just come up with now Shera. I wa and so everybody's all about how talking about how nice Keno is a great he is. And it's find until true in my mind, I believe one hundred percent of it. But this we're in this moment were everybody's just being so performance of Lee into Keanu, and I think it's because this is everybody on the internet apologizing for the sad keenum, just the proliferation of that just kind of like picking on Keanu when in that sad photograph, and then realizing how actually said his this life had been. No, I think that's a great Barry. I think it holds me. Oh him. I it's true. We all do. Okay. On whom he's been through so much. And some of it at our own hands. So, you know, I I'm, I'm happy when you have to pay for what we've done. He's a really good guy. He does have that great joke of in the movie of when rental park is offering to pay for the extravagant meal that they all had where he tells him how much it costs and how it's less than a residual check from. I that, that's one thing about the movie that it's it has a lot of good little one liners and jokes. But those jobs could be an anything those shows could and they also felt like they belonged in sitcom. They didn't belong in a rom com. I almost wish it would have just been like a normal rom com. Like, give me the exact same beats of normal rom com. Like, let's we love rom coms wise. Why is the structure so different? It makes me feel weird by do we feel like we need to tweak the rump com. Yes. A tried and true thing we want back. We want the usual way flare, dang. Flirting. Give us like give us one instance of a blow up 'cause they have blow ups like three times in the movie and it's like I want it to happen. Right. At the end of the second act, and I want them to get together. Fifteen minutes after that. Yeah. And I want them to get together in public. And then I want there to be a crane shot after they kiss, and like, like I won all these things and the movie gave a lot of them, but it weird little areas. And then at the end, I just was very underwhelmed by all of it in the mirror, image of always be my baby. I was so excited for always be my baby. And I really wanted to love it. The perfection I was ready to fully hate and like dunk on, and I'm just like the perfection kind of owns I I really liked the production. And I was watching it being like, wow, this is like a weird kind of bad imitation of Korean horror movie, and then I was reading interview with the director and he was like, I love Korean horror movies, like I watched the handmaiden it was like I wanna do this at love that, like one of my favorite movies wild things. It really. Went for it with the twists in direction just piling one on top of the other. Just throw more to the yet. Throw more fire? I liked that. I liked how stressful that. Bus seat was. Oh, what a nightmare every screaming at you in a language that you don't understand your friend is sick. About two shit herself. Oh my God. Terrible. Does shit herself? She sits on the steps. The projection is of horror films musical drama about industry industry drama. Starring Allison Williams and Logan, Browning and Steven Weber. Good to see Steven Weber of wings fame, all remember wings. I don't. As these two like virtuoso. Cello. Only shallow only. Yeah, they're like five years apart, although academy Keller's only. Another minor very like prepatory, you know, world renowned cello academy, and they reconnect in adulthood, and you find out there that they're both like extremely jealous and obsessed with one another and then things go from there. And it kind of is like a handmade in meets of what's the. Black swan. Yeah, yeah. It's very black Swannee, only not quite quite as nuanced. I dunno like not quite as thoughtful as black swan. It's just let's go hog wild. Let's fully do the funny games rewind and show you things as they really happened after you've already seen them once I relies on a lot of kind of annoying horror film, things like that. But I, I was into it, you think else lambs is the villain. She's not the villain. You think Logan, Browning might be the villain? She's not the villain. Steven Weber's the villains even whatever Steven Weber. And those other two dudes. Yeah, it was raped the whole time it was always about sexual assault. Yeah. It was not really body horror. It wasn't about A Bola. It wasn't about false flag falls -able of women. So many falsely this movie. Let's just talk. More about it Fran. Tell me about tell me anything about the perfection convince me that I'm wrong. I mean I, I don't know if I can do that. This is like so far from what I usually like to watch, but I was so intrigued by the premise as someone who likes an engaged with classical musical, autos is Allison Williams able to convince me that she knows how to play the cello. And she did okay, she. Okay, right. You are. You are a classical music expert, I cello for amazing. I didn't even put that together. Fran. I'm so so did. No, it's totally fine. It's like this is really a horror movie, and in this regard, but it was wild to sort of, like they certainly would never have a cello only academy. That's strange the way that they would just sort of conjure names of pieces without composer where they'd be like do cello it and be and be like, who's, who's what you can. That's not to say so I found myself getting really anxious about that. And but I mean I as, as a girl, STAN, I will always sort of ride for whatever else Williams is doing. I will say she's really carved. Interesting niche. Yeah. Really tight house. She has been playing with those expectations of her based on, like girls and get out. Here's the white woman with darkness, and Senator who has like weird relationships with, like people of color LA like strange and fraught, and like Indus case like sort of sexy, like, what is it? Is it menacing? I'm not quite sure. And I think she's actually very good at that. The movie would not be as unpredictable as it is, if those performances weren't as good as they are. And I think that might be the best thing to say about that movie, I think when you have also Williams in something that, that, like automatically at the sense of like unpredictability to me. Because I really like when I watch, I don't know what she's doing and will do and I mean that like in the best pasta like she could do anything prising weld card. Yeah. She is. Don't expect her to be a wildcard like you feel like you've gotta right like the everything. She's been in. There's been a twist about her. Yeah. Yeah. Even girls even girls. She done at the end the end of girls. She Wyoming character Omaha. It was always about Marning. Oh, my favorite shot in this movie is when she's getting after she gets taste and she falls, and Logan's got her like boot on her mouth. And she's just turned a little in her highlighter just looks amazing makeup. Look perfect. Allison. Unbelievable. Of course, we had to stand when she I loved, I loved, how the whole movie, I was sort of, like not a great whig on our million. And then and then at the end she takes off her wig. What I would I have thought that's not a great whig if she hadn't been sort of selling it as a bad like her. She was giving up performance as someone who was aware that they were wearing a bad wig. When you think about it. Alison Williams's doing a lot more than I think a lot of people wanna give her credit for an extremely galaxy. Brand take Allison Williams. But this movie it's so it goes you go from thinking that also Williams is a victim or like sort of sad and pathetic. And, and like the one who got away and essense like the one who didn't become the world renowned cellist do those exist friend, Chelsea got away. No jealous better like that. Famous young cellists. Yes. Certainly, certainly, like they would have a billboard for like an all. In the beginning, I would hope so I want that future for cellists. And just are you gonna are you gonna like pivot to professional jealous you as you age? But I'd love. It's the beautiful instrument. It is a movie could really showed more of how beautiful the cello is. So it goes from there you go from than you think that she's fully the villain. Then ultimately it's like you said, a movie about sexual abuse. It's about rape like fully rape. And the and the perfection is kind of again. It's like the the explanation for events is pretty simple. Like it's like they're rapists. That's it. It's a big smoke and mirrors operation where it's like they have the school where they lured, these talented, young girls and then play this game where it's like you have to play this, this. Well, you have to play the perfection. And if you don't you will be assaulted, and you will be punished and tortured for it. And I think in that sense, there was something, there was something almost interesting to the way that it reveals itself to just be about. That like it's like a comment on like the way that sexual abusers can masquerade as like, like, mentor figures read like that gatekeepers, where it's like those, those are the people who are often the people who are the predators, the ones who are in that position of power, and in that position of influence and people who are held in high regard, because they use that to their advantage, and it's like, that's how they stripped, thou those girls away from their families by presenting it as this like great opportunity. I don't know. There was something kind of interesting about that, but mostly I just liked how fucking bunkers it was. I, I liked that. I didn't know where it was going. I'm not sure if ever watch it again. I'm not sure what that really says about a movie. I'm not sure if that's that's fair, but I was pleased with it. I think with the final reveal of it being rape along. I still not sure where I fall on it because I see where you're coming from with the how you're saying it's effective. Look at power structures and how these women are being taken advantage of, in these, you know, by these gatekeepers, but it also felt like up to that point. Each twist that had been building up to it was like, let's top it with this thing. What's out do this to us? And it, it just felt like the movie had a kind of brought me long to start expecting like, oh, this is just going to be more insane. More insane more alien than the final. Yeah. Some, I don't know it could've fit. Yeah, yeah, but then the final reveal is that, oh, it's, it's a rape academy. The spin raping these girls in the school. And it's like, oh, that's I was like, really along for this ride, and then it's just comes to a screeching halt and because of this just shockingly, like awful thing that, that, that is behind all of it and. Like I guess, like maybe the medically that works. But, like, in terms of, like my viewing that really just kind of made me take a step back and kinda I dunno. I dunno I dunno wanna say that. I'm disappointed in it, but it really just kind of took all the momentum of the out for me because it goes to something that's like completely over the top. And to something utterly. Crazy is almost like painfully. Yeah. It's like it's like a, a really like a fucked up reality as opposed to like a fucked up fantasy. I guess, but at least there was that final shot of quadriplegic Steven Weber with Ivy and his arm. Two people playing the cello together. Is that possible? Is that possible, what he thought about this all morning? I do think it is possible. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Especially if you're if you're both extremely talented if both parties are extremely daunted to be with. Yes. Sync with each and they share that bond. Yeah. Sure. That bond there in love. What do you think you would like, like, how do you could you could you test that with someone like, could you find other tells and be like definitely, like this be the bow or the fingers, I think I would be though. I mean, I guess the music is in front of you. Like I can understand how that really isn't that difficult to imagine, you know. Improvising right handed. I'm just like, oh, I would be the bound improvising. I can see, like how that could be a little W O more impressive. Yeah. Like, if you're just playing an established piece of music, like why not? Unless I'll be honest, there's not a lot of people improvising on the cello. And I think that is sort of a failure of the industry large. But like maybe one day, if you had to write up a cello Horb Philip the cello industrial complex. I. What, what would what would it be about what would it be called? Oh my gosh. That's such a good question is it? I'm not sure it is. But answered any finger finger, I mean, the sort of like high part, the neck, the neck and neck is maybe because you have is there something about, like fifty to stretch as a cellist. The your body are really hard unlike your body and like, yeah, that's like cello is really leans back posture. Whereas like it's violence, who got really bad. I'm someone I grew up with is like a violinist in a professional Symphony Orchestra. And like watching that sort of Instagram presence has taught me a lot about this world is like someone in their twenties. And, and it's just constant sort of like physical therapy, and like body stuff. I mean, I wish there was almost, and I don't I don't like horror movies. I'm very squeamish, there could have been more body horror in this. I do think like having like all black swan Lega that really went for it. Yeah. And it's an industry that does take a lot out of one's body. So they could've I don't know. I could've chopped off more shit Yanni and I think that that's, that's why I brought it up at the beginning. It's as much as I was impressed by it. We'll see how how long that lasts. It's just like this guy said, I mean, he, I think he's talented. But you he's he mostly has done TV and kind of his first into horror film, and he like, Saul Jonah that he liked, and he's trying to get good at it. And like fortunately, I think it's like mostly successful. But the sense that he's mimicking and not actually creating something as their throughout the entire thing. And maybe maybe a little harder with the cello industry may be spoke to someone like you the consultant. I'm always available for the next cello whore. I would love that made me want to rewatch the handmaiden which, yes. And like is one of my favorite movies. Also also gory gory. It's gore. Your gear. Yeah. It's gag could this movie could have also been gayer the gay the and the one sex of nipple, a sexy guy covers up? I was like Alison is your moment, girl, come on? Alison, we want more we want more gay sex, and we want more gore, and we want more cello, and we want less of this because we're done. So thank you Fran. Thank you, Jeff for coming on today to talk about these three very different films miniseries. Fortunately, gotta go on. Thank you for calling in once again, you can call seven five four call Bob show, your current obsessions discussed on a future episode. And with that we'll see you in two weeks by everyone.

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S E84: Randall Park on Being the First Asian on Wildnout and if North Korea Sent the Goons on Him

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S E84: Randall Park on Being the First Asian on Wildnout and if North Korea Sent the Goons on Him

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But not so much like the Heartthrob Guy, they're normally like do bag athletes how they played in the shows but slater for sure the power rangers I like Was it the the blue? Ranger you billy. Yeah. Billy was killed Oh billy was like from the TV show from the movie 'cause in the movie he got ripped. I'd like him into the TV show suits. The TV show and then. Power. Line In motion out like oh I was like God. This ted this day tevin Campbell seeing. My. Power. Line. I was like you're cartoon but I want all of you even his little masters raw. I WANNA be. and. Yet, we only had cartoons pretty much. There was a lot of guys. So I guess I, guess I do remember watching power rangers and and all the like in the little chapel after school and all the girls geeking out win like Tommy and Jason would come on screen Glenn less. Geeking for Billy Billy was like the crisscross Patrick. Qatari. Okay. So think about the shows that we watch growing up and then think about the male characters like were any of them really the heartthrobs Zack Morris. Wrong color. You and say hey. You know what he was by never. To him but you know what? I think girls were just easy because every show had a guy. that the girls will go crazy about winning came on screen. True. But it was like why? Right? Like why I didn't get the I didn't get Zach. Understood it. But I was like even Jalil White You know and yeah no I I definitely stay. When he was Stefan? Yes. Define that was for sure girls like Eddie winslow to hey hot. Darius. Crocker McCreery oh. Yeah. I'm sorry a fucking. I thought it was a plane flying low right now but it was a helicopter flying really. Well. We'll get into rick spear blimps later. Sitcom. And shows that are on TV that's just a Sitcom. Today we got a very, very special guests in the building I've linked with him on random occasions. We had our first real conversation a couple weeks ago, and now we're going to have a longer one. As somebody WHO's been holding down as a comedian and someone in the Asian entertainment community make some noise for Randall Park. And I mean drama could be on TV. Yeah you're right. You're right right right right? Yea. We'll do it again. Yeah just have a seat. Bro Make yourself comfortable. Okay. Good. Yeah. It's not a we're. We're literally watch. All this is. Mike. Yea. Close to the face I, don't know how this works. Like. You want to hear yourself. You want to hear yourself experience with the headphone with with. Yeah with headphones. Okay. I I don't know how this podcast stuff work do you do a lot of these Do a few but I'm just old and. Air We go over the years right. Sherri. Talking to. Him and thank you for stopping by. Of course, man thrilled to be here. Do you. View while out walking. Circle. Full. Circle I. Always Tell People for no reason other blue. Do you know how I met Randall Park? Whenever you come up for whatever reason I say that we you know we met at a random ass like lounge downs locking. Like we met numerous times really. I think just over the or it's just that I see I've seen. I've I've seen you on online and on different things and I feel like I know you just because i. Just. From. Washing I stock. Looking through your bedroom window. I remember the locking key conversation specifically is. Is is when I was like I don't know I don't know who said this part I, but it was like Oh the O. J. Asian from wall now like Oh, the new ways in a while now. I don't know what the order was, but it was like Oh. Wow this is crazy man. We're a one of a handful, right? I mean listen. Yeah Jen Jean Honk Member Jeanne Hong he was the first. Is he the? Asian like some kind of disease but I got triple your score on sat's because I remember bank. So I think so I I. Dated a girl who would always quote that lines. No she wasn't. Didn't know. Him, Him Gin Gin. You yes me. Yes. There was a girl. There was a our Rosica Rosca. Rosica. Lovely Mimi who's WHO's on the newer cast? Rice Gum. Oh Yeah. Did a few episodes he didn't like it. I think that's it. Might be it. Yeah. Well, Hey, man hey, thank you, Let's talk perfect segue. Yeah. How did that come about for you and you know were you? Will you really doing a lot of stuff before that or while it was like your I like big. That was my first like semi regular thing on TV. So at the time I was broke and just auditioning and doing different things, and I just got a call to audition for while this show while out it had been out for a couple of seasons at that point it was a big hit and I was like, okay and you know had to go in like I feel like. Ten Times or something like that different levels you know. And then the last few the last few levels were with Nick and you know a lot of the cast were there. and. Then I got the job and I was like, okay, this should be fine and and it was a lot of fun and it's been great. So as your specialty more the Improv with a rapping part. probably more the IMPROV. But You know we had to do the rapping stuff and i. mean that was fun for me too. But I think the Improv stuff was the the stuff that I had the most fun with did they hit you because they hit me you know hit me with all the Asian jokes. Oh. Yeah. Yeah and I was I was you know get you're ready for them. Well, you've been hearing them your. Same Joke Jehovah's aim jokes you. I. Was Telling People that right? I'm like, yeah. My you know my kind of my upbringing and the people I grew up around and the the jokes that I got helped me be ready for a while now because. It's like this is the same five Asian jokes stand right exactly and I saw like I saw. So apartment was like man. If, let's say like there's a little Asian kid. Getting. Getting made fun of like Asian jokes today I'd be like, Hey, man you that'll help you be on TV one day. Don't be sad. Because like I, feel like society and be like Oh this is backed up. Don't don't do that but I'm like, no no just teach them how to get him back. Yeah. Actually effect kid was watching you know and then they see tim with the with the clever witty comeback and usually the comeback is the thing right thing they're setting you up with. Know and then you come back and then and then that's like Oh you know that's a sense of pride and makes you feel feel a little better yeah because they'll they'll root for you when you're getting attacked. What's when they paid you a dating show them like then everyone's like I am. Going to say. fucked up is when people started realizing that or the when the cast mates are realizing I had all the comebacks and then he stopped coming after me, right. So then like because I hate. Coming after people right or going after people since I would have to be like. Let me. Let me get. Yeah. Yeah you're. Right we Just. Started walking around man I'm so out of comebacks now. You got to play the game. Yeah. People always ask me if. I if I ever did you ever offended because asked me that all the time. During the show for the Asian jokes now now, I mean it was a it was a part of the you know the show and it was a it was all in good fine and good natured and. It was it was fun and they and. They had to take just like they had to dish it. So it was like. I don't know. I thought I thought it was fun fun time. Yeah. Everyone kind of plays their part. It's like I, knew I will get the Asian jokes doboy new. He's GonNa. Get the jokes You know Justina no, she's GonNa get all the you ain't got no ash. JOVE's. 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JARL's used. Learn from. John. Hypertension why you shouldn't season you're. OUTTA random super bowl. Really. pleased. Most, he said that entire. We'll speaking of rappers. Randall Park now. When you while now, not the. But Who would you say was the craziest guests you had on where you're like Oh, Shit. This is wild that I'm on set with this dude right now craziest. Yes I mean there were there were. Some I mean I, I was I'm a big rap fan especially of that era that you know. Golden Eras is what they call it. That's what they call it. So I I was geeking out every show. You know especially when the the kind of older you know rappers would come on I. Mean we had clips were on the air win for rail and I was just like, oh my God this is crazy. You know common came on to live. All these I mean these great rappers. I mean a ton. I'm from La. Raise. Yes. Sir. Yes sir. And was was acting always your goal or now man I didn't know what I was what I was GonNa do I went to Ucla didn't know what I was going to do got into writing a teacher. Told Me Hey, you should think about like riding your writings pretty good and I was like Oh you know validation of any kind I'm going to follow that right. So I got into that which got me into writing plays and that kind of got me into doing stage stuff who, yeah, and then I just kind of fell in love with it. And then kind of after college. Put it aside. I was doing it but just like for fun and then at a certain point it later in life in my mid to late twenties those like I might as well just go for it. Yeah did you here's a something I've always wondered? Yeah. Teach you ever get death threats from North Korea. You Played Kim Jong. Man. Everybody you know. Everyone thinks I got death threats, but I didn't but we're things did happen you know? Yeah. Like we have. You know we've lived in the tiny little house in one day we were coming home and In had it. Had it had it that happened? Yeah. Yeah. So so we we basically got security because the studio was like look. This is all kind of crazy. So we're GonNa give you like twenty four hour security. And I was like we were like, okay, we didn't think we needed it better like okay and then we come home one day and. The security guard is out friend was like, Hey. So somebody like try to get into your house. Yeah like we think it was like a reporter not they weren't trying to break in the windows or anything, but they came to the front door and we're like you know knocking and then they were like you know and I was like he smelled of Kim Chan. That was me. But You know that was weird and then. We'd hop in our car to go somewhere and then look back and find cars following our house and it was like reporters. Okay. Okay. Yeah. Because it was in the news every day so Stuff like that. But no, no no death threats. Was that disappointing for you like being like this is like a huge movie and then it it didn't go to theaters. Yeah. At the time at I remember at the time because before it came out, I had heard from Gino off people involved with the film and the studio people were saying, Oh, man, you're you know everyone is like hyped off of your performance in it and like I know you were the best part of that movie. Thanks man thank you but. Like your character's testing so high and it's going to it's going to be a real great for you and so in my head I was like Oh, this is going to be amazing. And and it was amazing. But in a very different. Yeah. Yeah. Well, you know fresh off the boat is like roots favorite show. Oh Thanks and and that reminds me because you're talking about people following you and soccer's creeps and things. I didn't follow you in creepy. What there was one time. So I had really bad is I recently got laser. Okay. I came out of a Mendocino farms. Now going to say where we? And I don't have context. Don't have my glasses on but then there's this guy coming out of a trader Joe's and I'm like is that part? So I started doing this. squinting. And My squint looks it looks away when I'm really do something. Right when he did. been closer and I realized that Oh shit it is. Oh. She's living. In, a weird way because I'm looking at you like this. You're like. Scare the. Oh. That'd be them. One day I'll tell ya, he's. With Greens. Scary black. Man I I gosh. I. Wish I wish. I. Remembered that I would have recognized you though because I mean Was this like how long ago was about two or three years ago? Oh two or three year yeah I think I would recognize. That type of look from people that often trying to stare at you generally Nah. Maybe he gets it all the time. It's just another angry person. Don't worry about it. It's fine. Kim Jong Fan. Just be like he's looking next you. Do you know? I mean especially like coming out of a trader JOE's. I. Well, we got some questions for use or all right are the page. Freon here. Joshua and I haven't. Screened these I hope they're not stupid. He's like, sorry, didn't mean. All right. So Jemal Johnson wants to know the questions for Randall Park At this point in his career, what is something that has made you step out of your comfort zone as an actor. Out of my comfort zone as an actor that's a good question Gosh, I feel like every like new job is a little bit like of A. New. dish. Every. Yes that's out of my comfort zone Gosh. That is a really good question but I, do feel like. to a degree like there are those nerves with like every every new venture you know and I feel I. Look at every acting job is a new kind of new thing but The I mean the last time when I was really nervous. was probably a the interview that was the last time where I was like, okay. Like where I was playing somebody real you know are based on somebody real and I was Also playing someone obviously very controversial right and and wanting to kind of. Walk that line of being you know Finey, but also not like humanizing him to the point where everyone's like, oh, he's great. You know. What I mean. There are a lot of challenges there and So walking that line and also just doing you know I kind of lead role for me on in a big time movie. So it's like. Feeling a lot of that pressure and that was probably the the last real like, Oh man this is this is a really out of my comfort zone but I'll just just hone in I'd say like you know every job every job is is a little bit out there but to like take that risk just have fun with it. You know Franco was a little. Wrangles. Acting that but you. Interesting. I Love James Mangold. Crew, but what the interview certain Franco bars I'm like. Is he trying to look like? He's trying to address I. Want you mad dog Franco. Yeah Kim Jong Watson he's like. Frankly. They can't put this up. Shit, let's see got a couple more questions. Joshua manned up asks as someone who has seen as a trailblazer especially for the Asians in the industry what kind of legacy do you want to leave or what do you want to be known for? If at all yea I you know I. Don't think too much about that I do try to try to move forward with like purpose and intention but I mean really I think something that I have been thinking about lately is. Providing more opportunities for others for younger newer folks coming out and using whatever I've accumulated. Thus far to to to to create things for for other people, you know who are who are on the cusp or or on the come up and Exactly. Exactly Big Gallon of water over there. Exactly so so like a show for Nikki. Say Are. Hard to me. Ricky now. Obviously. By people that I that I'm a fan of like three. Fine. Figuring out ways to. 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You know I feel like you know yeah like it's dope that you're doing that right but I also feel like you know for you I feel like you you kind of you know like. I WANNA, make cool set, and then there's the angle of people who are like, what are you GonNa do for your people. And sometimes like in this case, it just comes down to hey man like I'm GonNa, make, Cool Shit that I can put my people in. That deep you know yeah, I mean and I think the I think storytelling is just a powerful thing. You know like literally if you if you tell a story from a voice that that comes from a perspective that hasn't been represented, you know, I it it humanizes those people you know. So like to me, it's like, yeah, it's fine and it's a it's something that I just love doing and but but I think it has like big. Consequences positive. Impact overall. You know yeah. Yeah for sure for sure. Yeah I mean especially you know as as a as a young Asian dude growing up. And like just consuming TV and not thinking too deeply about seeing like Dante Bosco on like the fresh friends or hanging Mr Cooper was like. Yeah. I. Could I could do this. If he can do this that's like really all it boils down to yeah. Yeah. I mean and you think about it it's like A. Coming from an Asian American perspective it's it's like. When was the last time you seen a or anytime? You seen a Thai family uneven you know it's like. Never. You know things are too hard to pronounce. Nice to that it's being written from somebody and people that have actually lived at versus the perspective that they might be best the thing. Now, that's the thing that's happened. Now because of you know the movement and the the voices and people kind of. Making sure that things are done as authentic as possible. So I think the industry is responding to that. So it's important to have. People like you. Out there telling your stories because then it's like, Oh, well, we want to tell a story from a perspective of safe a Thai family. Then it's like, oh, Tim Tim those at perspective he has a following. So let's let's make that happen. because. The Shit I have been cast in. It's always like you know I think they're afraid of of pissing off these specific. Asian. Groups. So they got like. All right. So he caters halftime Korean. That's why your name is this. Really. Matter. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Yeah I mean to me it's like yeah. You know you you want to me Anne, like Asian Americans onscreen is a good thing I agree and I think if it's not like perfect, that's okay for now you know because you need you need that to get to that authentic voice eventually. Margaret show you have the Sitcom called all America right it was like the first agency come ever right and I remember watching and even as a little kid and being like first of all, this is amazing. Never seen this before my people but also young and I still thought it was funny and but then I also heard that a of reason why I didn't get picked up was like a lot of people were very like Kinda nitpicky about. Things they were mad at or like, Oh, the the dishes in the background or Chinese, and she's Korean. This is inaccurate. It slows feels like it slows down the progress sometimes everybody wants perfection but you can't expect that from entertainment all the time. Yeah. But it's it's like you also got understand where it's coming from. It's like when you're deprived of seeing yourself represented, it's kind of like you're so hungry asked to identify with something you know take. Me Back Yeah. So it goes both ways and I think I get both sides of it but but for me, it's like ultimately like just you just gotTa tell more stories totally just gotTa tell more stories in the more you tell. You need a show like fresh off the boat to tell a story that's maybe less commercial but more specific war maybe even. Maybe the characters are a little more complicated. You know you need but you need that you need that you need to get fresh off the you need all American girl you know her yeah. Do you do think part of the issue is wanting out sack immunity to see specific things because like I I look at a lot of different communities I've been able been in their houses and there's very little differences from what I grew up. So it's like. People will say certain things are Americanized but I'm like, okay. But that's how my friend lives. You know what I'm saying. I feel like sometimes it's like, okay we live like this, but we need to make sure they see this this and this right how come you didn't show this this and that when they don't do themselves like right right I mean to me that's why it's important to just have like specific voices were telling their story because you can't like deny their truth you know like like maybe that maybe he didn't grow up taking off his shoes in the house. So that's GonNa be reflected in the show asks for me. That is blasphemy but I maybe a better example. But that's exactly why I love fresh off the boat so much because regardless of WHO's in it that was my child. The music, the clothes shack means so important. All of that was my childhood, and then you see the the small differences, the little different. That's right and usually the differences are like little little details right now. But the underlying thing I feel like an all sitcoms and all families is a Sassy old grandma. Got, to. Have that. I'd just want to be an old lady. I don't know what's going to happen after this but being like I want to be like seventy five still able to, and I'm probably going to make my grandchildren's friends feel uncomfortable like did this would I used to look like a? Creepy can't tell me nothin GONNA give them I've already envisioned being all of them like because I love it I'm ready for him. Gifts I feel like, I feel like that's the that's what you you've earned at that point in your life you could just not care. Totally. Now, I can't wait to get to that level of all so much fun I. It's going to be great. I have a little I live next to a little eighty, seven year old granny and she'll she talks meets. To like she'll call me literally be like Tam. The microwave my. My voice. I blinking. Won't. Come over. No. Everything's broken house. Of His. WanNa know me. Like she still having fun, you're going to have so many. Young boys leading to old them save somebody don't likeness now, but the likelihood of that happening. Two or three them by that time Let's see I. Think we have another Randall question here. Okay. Share Vu ordway where we. Can you ask Rancho are you really in a band or only convincingly played one in the movie? A all always be my may did what kind of music would you play and what would the bandy called? I am not in a band I was in one like right out of college. And it was called elegant and it was like Kinda like the band in the movie. That's why that's why I wrote that Van. Version of that, Bang, we were like these. Nerdy college guys who love like listening to the roots and like we and you know a bunch of played instruments. So we Kinda did our little version of that and and then, and then we stopped and went on with our lives, and then by the time that movie came around Allie Allie Wong and I were. Working on the script. And it was like. An alley remember that banned from back in the day. 'cause I've known her for years. We've been friends and we were dislike. Let's do a version of what if that ban kept going you know we'd be all and struggling and you know plan these tiny clubs probably that's the version of the band that we see in the movie I feel like you you like freestyle to beats at home like you write raps at home. Know I do not I, do not right. But I did I did yeah I probably say like well into my adulthood I would just like right here and there, and then I know probably ten years ago I stopped doing that store that for when you need. Some bars. That battle. Show. Oh That's right. That's right. That was a that was a when I brought the all ten out. We got one more question here. Off Got. It's along one. I, hope it's not stupid. This. Brown Johnny Bravo here. I'm playing. I Randall. Thank you guys for Being Pioneers for Asian representation in the movie and Television Industry we all know Asians are musically talented as well. especially with all the Asians. That Tim came up with during the Golden Age of the Youtube Asian era why do you think we still have very little Asian representation in the music industry now this is too deep. Bro. Question Do you think it's our image and visual representation and making those old white men believe we aren't marketable or could it be factors that are more? So our faults rather than the old heads controlling the industry. Oh. Man She. Take Back My. That's a that's a that's a that's a tough one. I think I I. Don't think it's our fault. You know what I mean like that that I don't think right but but I think it's probably complicated thing. And racism definitely plays a part of it but there's a lot of good music coming out you know a up of our communities and and and. There are a lot of fans who see people who I mean bt s you know like who? They see people who look like us and they are in it. You know. So Yeah. To the point where even you know like Cape Hop is such a force right that I feel like. You know I used to I used to. I used to canoed UIL with a girl who was a big K pop fan who who was not you know Asian and but it was she was so hard core with it that whenever would hang out she would make sure to take me to like a Rahman place. She would take me a little chinatown like and it went beyond that you know what I'm saying like I feel like she even a winged her eyeliner in a way that was very Asian s. Like offended or was it just kind of this weird thing? I wasn't offended. Because I didn't get to a point where I feel like she's finished izing yes. Yes. Back. Then I want to give a yeah exactly. Yeah. I understand. Totally right like I understand, she wasn't pulling is she wasn't like having you dress up like a Samurai. Nothing like that. But like I said man back then I probably wouldn't right in your. This. Gets you going. Swings. I did I did this is three long. Current. But. Yeah. So back then I, didn't mind. Talking about. So yeah. The effects of Cape Up are so hardcore nowadays I feel like you know. It not only opens the door to like. Korean like language and music. But also, of course, for a lot of women like Korean men and like the food and the culture and I had a dude on my on my life soon, the other day he was like, Hey, man, you know, what do I do like to get girls? So the girls don't like Asian guys around my area like I don't think girls I'm like dude. They they do like. Asian. Capon. was popular boy band our right now it's like it's not you just like you talk to somebody I get that a lot. So whenever I go on my life, guys are like, how do I get a girl like you guy or what kind of what kind of guys you like are Oh. You don't like Asian guys and I'm like, okay if you're using yourself as an excuse and what you are as an excuse on why somebody doesn't like you got a lot of work to do right a lot of work like and going into talk about the K. pop I did like a deep dive into some Korean rap. And I was like this shit is hard like a lot of them because they were. They respected so much view. The video qualities are dope I saw a couple of ones with. Two chains and other artists like doing collapse, and of course, with anything it takes time to get to our mainstream it exist but we just don't know that it's there. So some people just got to look a little deeper and you'll be to change on a lot of these artists. Are they see where it's going there? Like there's tons of talent we're not gonNA just keep this to ourselves. Let's go exactly I mean for me. I. I was not a fan of K pop. I wasn't I knew nothing about it. I somehow stumbled onto tickets for a show with at the Rose Bowl with and my wife came and we brought to friends and and I was sitting in there in the audience and. It was packed. All different races, Different Ages, and watching this show and these guys were so talented. So just you know they had so much charm they were so positive and and and and just amazing, and I was just mesmerized I. Look around and these these people were singing along to lyrics that some of them they probably didn't understand what they're saying, but it was just this force and and I've been a fan ever since like I I just think they're so incredible and my wife is like in the army officially like. She's just so in it and And Yeah and I get I, get it I. Get it. You know again I think black pink is black pink or pink black but black pink black pay grow group with Selene. They did us on what Selena Gomez fifty three million us in like a day. It was ridiculous. So the music's there and people are hopping on, but I'd be singing some words songs. I have no idea. But I. Don't know the way. That I did not. Even know the lyrics English. How long you been married We've been married for eleven years now. Yes. Thank you. That's someone with you before the fame. Yeah. Yes. Yes. We were broke together. Yeah Beautiful. Yeah. Yeah. It's been great. Yeah and you have a child eight year old daughter Dan and congrats to you on your man up. Talk. About No euro dollar that super cool. How's IT negating during these? Times ban it's been it's been up and down and it's been. It's been tough. You know the kid is doing school the online school I've been busy with the production company stuff but not acting but also just been really like reflecting. Yeah. Doing taken a lot of walks you know an and thinking about my purpose and you know things I wanna do creating opportunities stuff like that. but it's you know it's it's been. It's been It's been good. I think you know I mean it's a tough time for a lot of people and I'm very like. There I have a lot of anxiety just about the world but but there there are there are good things to good blessings to count for sure. Yeah. Yeah. I never I've never really had any exile in my wife until this year. Yeah. There was like one week roses like. I feel. I feel weird yeah. That's exactly it. that. Feel yeah winded. Never felt that before I've always you know it's like. Good life is great and all of a someone else. This is we don't like this. GOINT. We. Told you. Now, you want to stay home with us. For the zoom classes does it don't have to be in the room during the yeah. I mean you don't have to you know we're usually like nearby and and Yeah. It's it's tough. It's tough man. Yeah. I think about the kids a lot. How like you know last year she's in second grade having a good time on the playground now it's like dude, miss my buddies in imagine like if it's your senior year school go so bad niece my niece graduated there was not I mean my niece and my nephew they. Yeah, not the same and they live in Hawaii. So that's a whole nother type of experience. Nobody can go there. Nobody can leave. High School you only get what four years. Yeah. You know and like to have. because. Prom. Prom. No grandmom. No Grad known. That really senior years the best. Fun. There's a flip side that I didn't even realize my nephew. This is his first year in school. So he's starting school like this. So when it comes time to go to actual classroom that's going to be weird him. Yeah. He don't be how old cry. Mom Left. Adults don't even know how to go to the grocery store without fighting each other what the hell are. These kids do when they start hanging around each other. Yeah. It'll be interesting to see number well, number one how long this lasts and then number two just getting back to quote unquote normal. What that means if there ever is a quote unquote normal you know yeah. Yeah. I just hope that the whatever changes happen or are positive and. We get rid of that. Feeling insure unless you have asthma then hey, man. And you got you got does it Did you have any anything that was like you looking forward to that got canceled because of everything there were there were some projects that I was supposed to do, but I don't know like, Darren. After like the first like month or so I really like I just felt like they were bigger things. It didn't really and those things will come around again if they're meant to be. So I wouldn't say anything that really like gave me more anxiety than the world. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hundred percent. Yeah. has this been a good time to start thinking about the future projects you can make talking about the life during your life in quarantine and kind of what everybody's going? Yeah. Yeah. A little bit because you know we have this production company so we've been like you know. Developing stuff and and that that's been fun. You know that's been fun and thinking about my career from here on out where I wanNA, take it. You know and and the the approach from here on out it's definitely been affected by this whole experience and Yeah Yeah for sure who do you? Really WanNa work with like your wishlist if you could put someone in a project and do something with how man- I hate this question too. I mean, I don't know. I feel like I've worked with a lot of people that I. You know like in terms of people I haven't worked with. I mean there's so many people that I love and a huge like I love Steve Corral, dislike love, Steve Corral, and I. I did get to work with them. Once but we we barely got to actually like work with each other. I was just kind of there in the background. So like someone like him, you know when when I posted that picture with you like my Congressman Jim. Jim. That's crazy because that was like a one off thing I came in for three hours that seen last. So funny and then it just on the Internet years later, it just becomes this thing and I think that's pretty pretty crazy. Man Is there anything else you WANNA. Like plug or talk about before we get out of you and no I don't know they're not really What'd you have breakfast? I didn't have breakfast. We. Eat either. hungers your most important meal of the day I know I I, love breakfast. But I usually end up eating breakfast like later in the day you know I do two meals a day. Yeah. Yeah. Depends on what time I will go for me. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yea. Even if I wake up early I generally don't eat breakfast I know that's not right but no, that's okay. No. All right. Always. We'll see. 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Pop Culture Cosmos #231- WandaVision Excitement Interrupts This Program, A Galaxy of Hope For the Future of Star Wars, and Discovering The Ghosts of Shepherdstown with Bill Hartley!

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Pop Culture Cosmos #231- WandaVision Excitement Interrupts This Program, A Galaxy of Hope For the Future of Star Wars, and Discovering The Ghosts of Shepherdstown with Bill Hartley!

"Thanks for listening to the pop culture cosmos and the pcc multi-diverse checkup more great podcast. Today on one of these awesome affiliate networks. You're listening to a geeks network. Podcast you're listening. Eso network your station for all things. You tangible network check it out tangible network dot com. Listen to this. Show the latest episode every time. A proud member of the geek network. The opinions expressed are those of each individual. Check out all the other. Geeky podcast over it gonna geek network dot com and get ready because deaconess begins in three two one off this week's episode the no bright future for the star wars universe a paranormal. Visit to the ghosts of shepherdstown a paranormal visit to the ghosts of shepherdstown. And we interrupt this program and ask if one vision is finally peaking our interest all this and more as we once again into the pop culture cosmos will ask them and we're back with another episode of the pop culture cosmos. This is joe glass for come right back here for the pop culture cosmos inside sports. Fantasy football game source and the lakers fast-break. We truly appreciate everyone out there listening oliver shows. And if you can please give us then fun. I star review on apple podcasts. Plus if you can likes share subscribe follow or do anything that you can to support us. Right here at the lakers fast-break inside sports fantasy football game source and of course all of us here at pop culture cosmos. It is truly appreciate it. We'll josh peterson my good friend. Mr joshu wall street unfortunately couldn't make it today. He had some internet gremlins. Come in and chew up his internet lines so to speak so he couldn't really get a clear and consistent show going with me so we had to go ahead and scrap our plans for a full episode with him. So i do apologize for that but hopefully back on as early as friday. Show that p simone dealers or he'll be definitely backed by monday right here at the pop culture cosmos. But i've got some great great interviews instead. I've got on the back end of the show. Our good friend know ian find from hunting queen. He wants to talk about what everyone is talking about right now. And that is wanda vision episode for just dropped and everybody is talking about it so he wants to talk about it on the back end. I also have as a special guest coming onto the show today in regards to the paranormal. We'll talk a little bit about that. And also as well a lot about star wars because bill hartley from the great supernatural. Show that he has which you can follow right now and watch right now on amazon prime discovery. Plus you can go ahead and catch. His shows ghost of shepherdstown. Both seasons available now will like i said on discovery plus he comes up here in a few minutes talking about not only the success of ghost shepherdstown especially now that is on discovery plus but also is what we talk about a ton of star wars as well but i like i said it's the thing right now people are talking about outside of game. Stop the stock saga and all that stuff. That's going on in regards to that. What everybody else is talking about in pop culture is juan vision and episode ford. Just dropped and i will tell you what it so tremendous. We will be covering some spoilers on the program today. So i do apologize if you haven't caught it yet but i definitely think you should and here today to talk about one. Division episode for is a returning guest. She is truly an awesome individual and of course in the classroom household. She is our resident pop culture expert. It is my daughter. It is glass for elwin. Are you excited. As i am now for wanda vision episode five because episode for really did the trick for me. I am so excited. Episode four was so great. And i'm so excited to see where the show goes next. I'll tell you what it was. Just awesome to see from a different perspective. I know you and i talked before about some reservations. I had on where the series started with. The show's based in the nineteen fifties and the nineteen sixties. It dropped you right into the situation with wanda vision. And i'm not sure that people that were unfamiliar with the mcu. The marvel cinematic universe. We're going to be able to get what was going on. Episode four has alleviated a lot of my concerns. And if you are sticking it out until episode four to see what's going on if you were kind of on the fence on. Maybe on. Not sure i'm going to stick with this. Please stick with it now because episode for truly was worth the wait it shows you everything from the perspective of what soared the agency behind while right. Now what's going on in wanda vision. So if you wanna check it out right now it is episode four on disney plus but ellen truly exciting for me to see the production values just tremendous on this episode seeing it from the eyes of the sword agents. I want to hear your thoughts on episode four and what truly made it stand out for you. Episode four look like a marvel movie. The production was amazing. We've finally get an explanation to all of the sword things that we've been seeing throughout the series and it's funny how the sword agents and the government people are just as confused as we are in terms of what's going on with wandered vision and it really sets up the world outside of westview and wanted envisioned little bubble absolutely. I mean you're talking about a monica rambo who heads up this this whole episode and it centers around her journey into west few and it all starts off with her coming back as part of the blip that we saw it during the events of events and game and hulk basically when he did the snap bringing everyone back. What were your thoughts when you first started the episode. I know. I asked you to rewind that part. We could check out everything. That's going on in the first images in the first signs that she was coming back and materializing back into the world after five years. But what were your thoughts on marvel. Starting this episode with her story coming back as part of the blip. I am so glad at marvel showed us the blip at first. I didn't know what was happening. When monica re materialized but when you see someone blip in the way that we saw in spiderman far from home it was nice to see taken more seriously because in spiderman far from home it was sort of a gag and this is what it would actually be like all these people suddenly came back after five years. And i think that's a very interesting way to start monica's journey basically in the mcu to have her loser. Mom i think in that timeframe. I think now that's gonna be her motivation going forward and setting up her character arc in neom seat of. I'm looking forward to it as well. She did an outstanding job. And i truly have to compliment a paris for doing such as sensational job during this episode. It really told her story. As far as her coming back materializing again. From the blip everybody that was part of it in that area coming back and you could see the chaos that resulted from it and just the fact that they now have to acclimate themselves to their former lives. And not only that acclimate themselves to the here and now five years later or sort of speak from the events of avengers infinity war. So i'm telling you it was just a great avenue for to go ahead and explore. I would actually like to see a little bit more of that. From other shows in upcoming episodes maybe not necessarily want vision. But i would love to see some other shows. Go ahead and delve into the after effects with flip. Answer some of those questions. I know one of the famous questions to the russo brothers in an interview was what if somebody was in the plane. Thirty thousand feet in the air when the snap happened what happens to them some of those questions those oddball questions get answered hopefully at some point in time for maybe another series or something like that but i do want to go and delve into what she experienced in her first mission back with to go to new jersey go check out what was going on with westview and see her try to evaluate the situation along with fbi agent. Jimmy woo. i want to hear thoughts on randall. Parks character of see something. That was very easy for him to get back into after his great performance. In ant man and the wasp. I'm glad they brought randall. Park back he's really funny in this. And i'm glad that they brought back him and other existing characters like darcy clueless. They brought them back instead of going with someone else entirely. Because randall park was really good in and the loss. He did a really good job. Not only being funny. But you get the sense that he doesn't know what's going on either and he's kind of guessing along with us. If you not only fbi's the air force you know nasa everybody involved. They have no clue. What's going on government in this show is basically the fans i was saying while we were watching the episode air literally us meaning. They have the same questions we have. There are just as confused. We are so kind of funny to see that. But this show is really a mystery when scarlet which says we just don't know what to expect we just don't know what to expect that's right we just don't know what to expect right now but it is something i'm definitely now looking forward to. I was kind of on the fence. Saying the production values were there. But i just wasn't sure about what was contained within and the starting point i think i was waiting for something to really suck me back in and this did it for me. Honestly if the agents of shield were ever to have been afforded this kind of production value that was on this particular episode. I don't think the show would have ever gone off the air at least lost interest by a lot of people because the fact that this guy was definitely a better. Look at how the way. Everything's run. how the way everything is looked at in approached and sword which is so similar in coach as shield would do and the way that they went about it was truly something very interesting just the scope of it just the way they treated. It seemed like many marvel movie was shot like a mini marvel movie and in the end it was presented and taken in by us as an audience as sort of a mini marvel movie in and of itself and i think that was for the best for one division. Yes with wanda vision. And the other disney. Plus shows are all headed by kevin. Foggy and agents of shield wasn't really these marvel disney plus shows. They're almost equal to the movies. In marvel's is they are really invested in the series and are making sure that they are quality and asians of shield. That was just made for cable. Tv so i don't think they really cared about agents of shield that much which is kind of unfortunate but you really see the care that they have for these disney plus shows in one division. Yeah definitely saw the type of care in this episode. I couldn't agree with you more. You saw the attention to detail. You got the feel basically something that i've been waiting a while. Now since spiderman far from home is the type of field that you're embraced by being once again back into the marvel universe and the way they go about it yes monica. Rambo did get very curious and try to investigate. What was going on westview and in doing so got sucked into the universe. That is wanda vision at this point in time and everybody outside with darcy lewis finding out in discovering not only what is going on as far as the force field outside that's blocking and shielding everyone from being able to go inside and if you do you go ahead and you suffer the consequences of going headed being transformed into that alternate reality. She discovered not only how to go ahead and view it but try to interact with it with jimmy. Woo and his help in. Go ahead and reach out to wanna maximov in the show us. Basically everything that was hinted at in the first three episodes was paid off in full with the look from a different vantage point from the agents of sword. And like you said element. It's basically how the audience is looking at it and asking all those same questions. For instance a hexagon. Why is everything in a hexagon shape. Why the fascination with the hexagons and also identifying the individuals there with that they were able to go ahead and identified virtually all of the individuals citizens. They're almost all with a couple of notable exceptions are basically citizens that were there that are now trapped within the confines of the swan division universe. But there's two key things. I wanted to go ahead and ask you before we head out. And that is the two individuals. Agnes and also dadi who were not identified and still have no other. Aliases or any real identity. That was attached to them during the course of that episode. So before we head on out. I want to hear your thoughts on amnesties and dadis. Possible real identities. That you're thinking at this point of time could be. I think dottie might just be a regular person I don't think she her identity is going to be something super important. The plot i think she just wasn't on that board of notes because she hadn't appeared in the series yet because defaced on the clips from the sitcoms. We were seeing from sore point of view. It had an the whole. Wanda dotty thing hadn't happened yet. The discussion at the swim club per se hadn't happened when you see the clip of sorts files. So i just think they didn't get to her yet but in terms of agnes i i think agnes is someone that did not live in west view She is probably based off a lot of things just from the comics and who we think. The character of agnes is based off. Agnes probably helping the bad guy of one division. Which i don't think is wanda in its entirety. I think there's somebody that helped one to do this or told wanted to do it. This or inspired her. And i think kathryn hahn is just kind of there to make sure wanda stays there. And that nobody messes anything. Up and agnes is not the same as the other townspeople so i think that she is probably up to something. It definitely sounds like an indeed. But i tell you what ellen. It's been so fantastic having a report from you once again. It looks more and more interesting as we delve into more and more of wanda vision. I'm looking forward to hearing your thoughts. Plus also everyone else's thoughts as well on one division. It seems to be the talk of social media when it concerns everything outside of the game. Stop stocks aga and but if you are interested in cherry your thoughts on one division. How's it going for you. Do you feel that major. Turn that everyone else is talking about. That happened in episode four. And did you enjoy it as much as eloquent and i did. We want to hear your thoughts. Pop culture cosmos at yahoo dot. Com will ellen. I cannot thank you enough for stopping by for this week. I hope you get a chance to stop by next week and in future weeks talking about one division. I look forward to hearing your thoughts on that. Do want to mention that right. After the break bill hartley again from the ghost of shepherdstown will be back talking about some great things coming up not only for his show. Now that's on discovery plus but he'll also be talking about his love for star wars and where it's going forward for the star wars universe so looking forward to talking to once again bill. Hartley raft the break. And of course thank you so much ellen for being part of the show here at the pop culture cosmos. I'm juliet i'm nathan. Experience doctor who the very beginning to classic fans is and through the eyes of a new fan and relive those classic moments with nathan as he offers fun insight or experience them for the first time with juliet. She dwells on social issues street fashion and the size of a flashlight. Weird the time streams podcasts. Find us on. Spotify stitcher for apple podcast or i back with a program. It's gerald coming right back at you here at the pop culture cosmos. I'm really excited to have this guest on today. Not only is he into a little bit of the paranormal there with his awesome series. That's now available. Which i explained here in a second but he is a true full-fledged star wars fan. I'm so excited to go ahead and talk to any star wars fan. That's out there. Because of course pop culture wouldn't be pop culture without star wars so here today to talk about everything going on with his interest in the star wars universe plus also his great show which you can catch bo seasons right now on amazon prime as part of destination unknown. It is the ghost of shepherdstown. It is definitely something you should go out of your way worth watching if you're interested in the mystery and the paranormal and the spooky and the mysterious you want to go ahead and check out ghosts of shepherds. Today i've watched a couple episodes. I'm really intrigued as we go ahead and check out this awesome series. You wanna go ahead check that out today. The first two seasons accessible to you and they're already available on amazon prime and destination unknown and the star of it is right here today. It is bill hartley a bill much for taking the time to speak to me today now. It's my pleasure. I'm happy to be here. I'm always happy to talk about the paranormal or star. Wars or anything else. That i'm a total geek about nowheres noise and let's start off with that. Obviously it's it's one of the faces of the series at delves into the mysterious nature of the paranormal. And and basically this stuff that we cannot normally explain on a regular everyday basis. Your show deals touch on a lot of subjects within that realm. I want to hear your thoughts on the feedback and the success. I know there's a lot of great episodes on imdb. That's very highly rated. And i got a chance to check out a couple of including your most favored. That's out there. That deals with some bird action. But i'll let you go into that if you want but definitely go ahead and describe why people are so fascinated with your show the ghosts of shepherdstown. Well it wasn't me. It was a great honor to be a part of that. I have had great people working with me when we did. This show like a lot of people have been in the paranormal field for about at that point like ten eleven maybe twelve years. I have my own team We investigated location did want us in. There did prefer obviously most of the people who contacted us for people who lived in houses that had activity so when i was approached to take part in this i think my first thought would have been like a lot of people. Say you're not investigating a house or business you're explain you're gonna investigate an entire town. I thought was okay. Sure hold on a town. God's him you know and you know like a lot of go shows you know. We didn't reinvent the wheel but we kind of did something that most shows didn't do is did. We didn't just go to one house and then next episode you. It didn't matter if you watched it. You can be an episode three and just jump in if you had to watch episode one all the way through because it was a continuation. Art investigations never stopped films. So much that. If they ever went back and did a they could literally probably do another two or three seasons just based on stuff. That wasn't in the in the first two seasons of the show. It was amazing. It was a lot of fun. I mean it was. It was nice. I mean. I got to work with nicaragua. Who i've known. A lot of people knew from shows like ghost adventures. It was nice working with him and reworkings. Elizabeth saint too because we all came from different parts of the paranormal field. You know we weren't all like like my team. If i would have went in there we went and we knew what we were looking for. We knew how to get out with us. We actually had the learn each other too. And i think it was obvious. In the first couple of episodes we were natalie investigating. We're all coming from a different point of view added approach the investigation and it took us a little bit of time to get used to. How like how nick what. Investigators outlived would investigate different approaches at different perspectives. On how you guys would go ahead and look at a situation. Exactly elizabeth Has a little bit of sensitivity tour at that point in time. I didn't even believe in psychic mediums. I never worked at any that. I actually believed in i. I actually used to have a little thing when i lived in baltimore maryland. I was not too far from gettysburg pennsylvania. And my team i started. I just stopped being civil worrying actor. Though i had all these connections up there gettysburg still and there was a store up there. Do we use for training location. And you know my team all learn gettysburg and when psychics come to say i want. Be a part of your team. This is what i can do in my mind. The only thing. I'm thinking talian is i would think it's like it's like spastic. Jeopardize their ways waiting they're handing out. I feel a sense of ghosts in the room or something you know i never. I always roll my eyes when i seen psychic student so my offer was always the same. I think i was approached. Maybe i put this off for about ten times each time. It was great interview with everybody on my team. If i feel you'll be a good fit than what i'd like to do just to prove your abilities 'cause i don't want to go into somebody's house and say person's a psychic unless i believe the data just like i've never offered cleansing services or anything like that. You know like we that my job was just to let them know if there is something in fact there so the offer was. I'll pick you up on a saturday. I will drive to your house. Pick you up. Drive you to gettysburg you. The battlefield give you patent or because i knew all every inch that battlefield take you out to lunch and then all you have to do at the end. His into one store. Walk around us your psychic abilities come back out into the car on the drive home an hour and a half all you gotta do. Tell me one thing you picked up in there. That i know is there and if you can pick that up and give me a little bit of detail than you in your psychic. Believe you're at about ten offers. And i've had ten people did not take me up on it so going into the show like i said elizabeth being a sensitive. We had a psychic on the show. Who you know i mean. I think it was kind of obvious when i was doing. It did when she would talk. I was trying to be off to the side. Because i don't want to see the ds alarm that. I was going off in my head. You know so. It was a very interesting approach to this show. I mean like. I said he'd go sunning shows that around go more than a decade or more. Now you know. The great shows like ghost hunters goes adventures. They kind of laid cornerstone to what you expect for for. Go show and when we showed up and did our thing. I think that a lot of people like that approach because like. I said we weren't just saying this house's haunted okay. Move on in a different town different location. We're actually the whole season. Trying to figure out what is spurring warning causing the activity in that town and people got invested we had a few naysayers and people that tried to call now on stuff like that too and and and that happens everywhere in the paranormal field. The i've never tried to approach people and say this it is on the line this is this is exactly how it is so you know what people criticized it. I welcomed it. Because i think anybody who has their own opinion about it may actually help. Influence me can do approaching it differently. The next time. Investigate so i've always liked that aspect of it. I'll tell you what it's been very interesting to watch. And getting two seasons out of it and getting the fact that you do have several episodes that you made in regards to it. Shows the great interest that people had for it. I mean. what's the kind of feedback over the years since it's been released. Oh i'm still getting messages. All the time about asking will be one goal. We all team backup for another show and stuff like that. And and frankly mean nick and elizabeth have always been down the comeback team and go somewhere else but over the years. You know. it's not really are say it's to say that the you know the network and the production company and the people like that. I'm quite sure if we got a call tomorrow and said look we want to go to. I don't know this town in usa. We wanna go ahead and do another shepherdstown type of show. I'm sure meaning. Can elizabeth love to get back together and work as a team because by the end of all that filming and everything else we family now. You know we'll still message each other and random crazy tiktok messages and stuff like that to each other and it's been an ongoing thinks it's the show ended The world coming together. One tiktok at a time very very very twenty twenty one to say the least but i mean the shows definitely something people that are interested in the paranormal. Definitely have to catch. It is goes to shepherdstown. Two seasons worth is available right now on amazon prime and also you can catch through the destination. America app please. The something you need to go ahead. If you're interested in the paranormal something definitely should go out of your way to see very highly rated episodes. That's the first thing that caught my eye when our good friend roger hamilton. Who is part of my monday stream on dungeons and dragons you know. All of us geeks get together. I guess basically what happens. But when he notified me of of what she did in the show itself. What the first thing that i look for is view reviews and also critical reviews and they seem to align when you have a show that aligns pretty much aligned as far as with both that to me is a sign of a show. That's definitely worth catching and and you know. Obviously when you see that kind of response when you see those reviews out there for you how does it make you feel feel great. I mean i still feel great about it. I actually since the release of discovery close just came out just a few weeks ago. Our shows on there too and and the one thing that they have. It isn't on anything else. As there is a i like to call the elusive hidden seventh episode season one which was returned to shepherdstown. Also one there. And i got really because you know it's been a few years and you kind of it kind of gets away from you a little bit so just for myself. I wanted to rewatch it. So i started as of last week. One of my facebook pages. I actually do a live. Feed where i watch the episode like. We started with episode one last wednesday. And i had even to my it. Sounds like sixty people watching it with me and it was all it was like okay. Everybody at eight o'clock at the same time we do a countdown we get start and so we're all the same spot on the episode and while i'm watching i'm answering questions and answering questions but i'm also giving a behind the scenes like okay. We'll just like you know that we reform this part because they wanted us to show a scene of us coming into town. The first episode of goes job as a shepherdstown originally started with us going to the sweetshop but then they were looking at your like but it makes no sense because we don't know how you got into town except for some dial so they asked us to come back and just fill much driving around in the in the ambulance and talking a little bit and just doing shots of us driving through town so they can drop it in and it's like you tell people that know it well really dumb again. Look at my beard beard longer at that point because you know he'd gone entire season of filming and and so you know twenty little easter eggs with the season one. If you've watched the first episode you know we've found the baby show inside the safe. The sweetshop and people whatever happened to baby shoes and it was really nice business ongoing conversation with fans who have watched a show already and an are just rewatching it with me and they're like what happened to baby. She said well if you want to have a little fun season to watch us and headquarters and if you see the birdcage it's near the near the best in the birdcage is the shoes from season one. So it's been fine. I was astounded. Because i actually had a lady who lives in ireland. Who stayed up at her time one. Am just to take this journey with me. And i and i was so blown away that people are still interested in years later that i'm excited to go through the rest of the season with every body you're listening to the pop culture cosmos. Don't touch that dial we do. People still use dials. Video game boxer at the stories behind the covers in which we talked to the illustrators and artists who are responsible for gaming's most iconic images. Don't forget to check out you. Game box are the stories behind the covers celebrating gaming's most iconic images from the people who created them this and many more from rob mccallum hills. We cover the streaming marketplace intently every new streaming network that comes out there and you mentioned discovery plus which is the newest and the fledging that worked at it is is something that could become a key player with all the different ins and all the different networks that it can get content from it could become a major player in the ball game in the not too distant future. There is the possibility as more and more people find your show. And you see this all the time on netflix. Where they find these old movies. They find these television shows and they start spiking in talking about going viral. And also you see and then atop tanning while that jason's data movie from two thousand ten. It's all the top ten list while you know you know what i'm saying you could find a large audience and are you going to say you're you're counting on it but is there in the back of your mind somewhere that you could hear that call. That may be with the streaming networks like discovery plus that always needs specific content not for the cable channels but very streaming network itself could find a way to see a season three or something like that like you were talking about an offshoot where all three of you go and go to another location. It'd be honest with you. I mean i. I think aloud live. I say it didn't at least once or twice registering my head but it was. It's never been a push for me. I mean i. We pushed him to pull the curtain back a little bit. We were under contract for almost a year and a half after season two aired and we kept hearing season. three's coming seasons coming seasons. Three's coming and then at one point in time we all found out kind of sadly that they were going to do a season similar to ours they use the different castes in a different location and they basically just pushed us aside. They didn't wanna say It went ahead and recast the entire thing and call it something else and you know i. I never called myself a tv guy. I never see myself as a tv guy. It's weird for me at times when people still recognize the public. I mean i mean the when the first episode aired We filmed that more than a year or the year before it actually aired. And i was working normal job in baltimore. I was working in westminster hall. Which is the burial place of edgar. Allan poe. i was the actual cemetery keeper. Took care of the church instead of events and stuff like that. And i remember the very next day after that air new show aired. I went outside on the back deck of this church. And i'm using my vape and just trying to get the rest of the day over with that. I hear someone from the other side cemetery. Go him looking at this guy. Literally running across the cemetery jumping over little headstones and god. I can't believe you were actually era. Can't believe you're actually here. And he comes running up the steps and he was. Tell me how much i love. The show in the episode was blown. Over that i was there and it was his friend sombre behind him since. Yeah it's always talking all day. is that show. I mean i for me. It's it's it's it feels weird to be that guy that has actually been on tv. I mean sometimes. I i when i was going. Really do that nell. The first season was only supposed to be six episodes a special series and done but the audience was there. It was the highest rated such show that destination america ever had and so they contact since. Look there's there's no more workout in that area. They're still doing stuff outside of town and they were like we want you guys to come back and do season two so we weren't even expecting to see the season two so i mean it'd be nice to work with them again. Sure would they. It'd be great to do something like that again. But i asked not really in my head that something you know. I'm expecting made it had rape. But i hope it does because we've seen like like i've said we've seen things on streaming services find a new life so to speak. Gosh if they can have a saved by the bell reunion they can have a goes shepherdstown reunion and take that for season three or beyond hope to god. They will think of me as a screech. The show at least how. The mario lopez don't think was equal. But i'll take that okay fair enough adid. I'll tell you what it is great to have you here talking about so many things regarding the paranoia but it goes to shepherdstown. You gotta join bill hartley nick. Ross and elizabeth state on these adventures in. Check it out right now like he said discovery plus or amazon prime as part of the destination america format or again go to re plus it's the hot new streaming service. That's out there. Please check it out today. Both seasons right there for you including just like the offices on peacock there's extra footage and material. That's you can't find anywhere else. Yeah the halloween episode itself was sort of like a not to the fans who liked to show. None of us appear new physically in that episode. Except for mike king in dana mitchell and people like that but i was the actually the only cast member that actually recorded something new for the episode where they had mike call me and i just gave them some information about a location that i was actually investigating at the time when he called so I don't know it's a fun. Little thing and that whole episode. A flashback of There's extra footage it wasn't shown in the show. They go he goes back. Mike goes back and talk to the people that we investigated help during that season to see where they're at and everything else. It's a fun episode. And it is one of those ones did. Only it only arab leaving aired on. Tlc around halloween the year after that show aired in the light of day. Really anywhere so even if you wanna go check that out it's kind of. It's kind of fun and interesting. No that's awesome indeed. Please check that out. It goes to shepherdstown available now on amazon prime through destination america and of course discovery plus check that out as well but before we had an out. You've got an awesome awesome setup right there. As far as one of the major collections. I've ever seen in regards to star wars and star wars after the mandalorian and the success of the has is now cool once again. I mean You know being honest with you. After the declining results of the past two movies the last jedi i and the rise of skywalker and the unfortunate feedback. It got from fans than in all sorts of different ways. It was kind of precarious where the star wars universe was at and sure enough star wars gets saved by none other than grow q. Baby yoda and also the child. Whatever you wanna call us all right. I mean as i said i have a couple of a couple of little guys here as well so all austria no star wars collection is complete without baby. Yoda i know my daughter was coming orbital right around the house right now but to see the show take off to such extent where the star wars universe is now alive. How good does that make you feel of. I've never liked star wars. It's always been a part of me. I mean i can remember being a little kid me now. Is i think six years old. When the first star was movie came out and seventy seven. And i didn't. I didn't ever actually see it in the theater until it's released just not a couple of months before the return the work or the empire strikes back came out and i the only chance i ever seen as i had a little view master to use a little wind up films like a a two minute star wars version and then one christmas. My mom had eight millimeter projected at she found a think toys r. Us it was like a seven minute. Version of star wars was no sound. That was just an eight million over your friends. But i love it. I love it. I had the very first characters when they came out with in the little plastic bags with card backs. And it's been a part of my life. I've seen empire the very first day for screening. It came out. And i you know like with everybody i love the original trilogy enjoyed the prequel trilogy. But it wasn't star wars as the original to me. I think a lot of people feel that way from my my age bracket i know i've talked to people who are younger than made. Who were probably kids when like phantom menace came out and they were it's their star wars. That's their version of it and jeff and there's a lot of a lot of how long three trilogies i still enjoyed. I did still enjoy them. I found. I found myself really having a good time watching those movies. I mean i can definitely understand that it was not up to the quality of what has come in. It's in the past. But i never expected it to you know. I never expected it to be the original trilogy. I thought it last year. I was interesting because unlike the force awakens which was such fan a fan love letter. You know we want to make you feel like you for seeing star wars for the first time only. It's the same story in a when you got that. The story was so opposite of what you expect it. I think the data through a lot of people off me. I dug it. Because i would into it with expectations. And when i left i was like i never saw any of that. You know it was not as good. Obviously but it was. It was entertaining and was stuff. Like the mandalorian. I mean rightfully. So i think. I've seen it written before that they said that the mandalorian has saved star wars. And i believe that because a lot of fan base once you got to the prequel through a sequel trilogy is of really checked out. They really weren't into star wars errors like they. They thought that star wars was robbed from them without. You know it's a good story. I mean i don't view the white but they. They felt robbed. That the movie didn't go the way they thought it should go. And so with the first two seasons mandalorian i was. I mean. that's the whole reason. Raghav plus just goes. I wanted to watch the mandalorian and then and the final season of clone wars which also was last episode. Well but i'm also one of the people that feel leery that i think they're going to start trying to give too much of a good thing again because disney seems to like to do that because there's already what a couple of shows i mean all the that came out about a month ago everything that's in pre production and production ten shows. I'm like they're just over saturate until stars again if they keep on that way. I don't blame you bid and like you. I did see the first showing the first day for empire way back in one thousand. Nine hundred eighty. I was dragged as a kid. Didn't know what it really is getting into. I it seen star wars. I think on. Cbs on a special beforehand and taking over three o'clock in the morning by my sister's husband at the time and didn't know why was going being taken on my bed. Almost thousand was being kidnapped. Ended up at this movie line and then all of a sudden. I'm in the middle of this movie theater in early morning watching it and hearing everybody's scream scream scream and cry no no. You can't be his father. He can't be as father no-no and then you hear all that. Oh wow this is what is all about. That's when it really clicked in for me is like the passion and the brace of it all. That's when i really became a star wars fan at that point and so many years later not like you. You've been really hardcore to the t- i'm one of those that have seen all of it but became disillusioned because the sheer of what i was seeing and i was more worried on this show. I spouted off with josh. And we were both concerned about the future of the series because we saw declining returns and not rh level. We started started seeing with my co-host josh's h in his thirties. M beyond they lose interest that future the star wars universe becomes imperil. If that's the case and what the mandalorian has done is not only grabbed our attention from our age bracket but also and more importantly their age bracket but at least now we can say do the success of the man especially with season to season one was for me very uneven from really good to really not so good right for season two was more of an even mix of brilliance and. I really enjoyed it. It's really garnered that spirit of star wars once again. I completely agree. I guess that i. I'm hopeful that they cause me when you look at the mandalorian it. It looks like every episode was films. Go onto the big screen. It didn't they spared any expensive all to make that this high quality as possible from the directing the acting the special effects. I mean everything. I mean they. They reinvented al. They film with led walls and everything else so we can be in a building but you would swear they're walking through the desert tantawi or something like that is just amazing. I mean there was a couple of times. I was a little a little twitchy with season. Two because i i felt that bringing characters they were like in clone wars because you're so associated with them being animated that you're like how avenue that but even with them in rosario dawson to the job is sesotho mean bringing in bringing back boba fett. Who's been dead for most of us since eighty three. Bring him back with his dad. Bod'ed and new outfit and towards the end the whole new. Paint job on the helmet and everything else. I mean it was. It was fun to see. And i'm i'm looking forward to. The future is going to be for that show. And and then with that end spoiler but the end the mandalorian with the notification of bookable of fat is coming. I mean i sat there with my jole probably down pass. My naval is with with the excitement of not only seeing in go through the jobless palace again and then that announcement coming up on. I'm already. I haven't even seen the show but at the same time with with disney. Gotta do a little leery everything they put out. I mean when it comes to star wars is you wanna really go in and lauded and insist this always such a balancing act that you could go either way absolutely and value something. That wasn't even mentioned in the disney. Investors meeting was the book of boba fett so that came as a true surprise to a lot of people out there and actually a very good one now does mean that the mandalorian is probably going to be pushed back until twenty twenty two at the earliest as far as may be january or february looking. Like but still we're going to get some star wars in our future. Thanks for checking the pcc the pop culture cosmos. We'll be back in one moment. If you need your video game vix. 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I saw a news article that said that they were going to give us a star wars comedy movie and i was like Tap out on that one all the way but for our generation as you were around the same age is all around empire to the generations who are in love with the prequel trilogies and today extent. There are some that actually loved. The prequel trilogies is generational. Everybody has their star was niche. And i just hope that at best they continue with an interesting entertaining story that will hope the next generation and keep star wars going beyond us. I think george lucas sat down. And we're you know in seventy five six when he wrote down the adventures of luke stark killer. I'm sure he had no idea. It would be where it is today. And i just hope it is vision and everything is enjoyed in the fans who've enjoyed it over the decades Get star wars. That they don't have the battle over because it's entertainment. It's fun it's it's not really made for us to Like it shouldn't be made for us to just because we've all been they pander to us. Make good storylines and keep an edgy. But bringing the next generations who are gonna love star wars and let facets. I'm looking forward to it as well. I mean there was a time where because of the uneven nature of the actual stars universal products that came out with that name attached. I was feeling. I had to watch just because i had to watch because i felt like now. I'm back again to where i want to watch. I'm excited to watch. I really invigorated by. What's going on with the star wars universe. And i'm looking forward to seeing what they have to offer once again. I feel almost as is invigorated for the series. As i once was just before return to the jet. I came out and you know you saw what happened with empire strikes back and how good it wasn't so you really wanted to go ahead and see how it finished off. Well how we thought at the who's gonna but that was a long time ago but bill it's been so fascinating to talk with you about stores and of course you're hit show goes to shepherdstown which again people need to check out. Seasons one and two are now available. Amazon prime via destination america or the brand spanking new only a month old discovery plus streaming network. You can go ahead and check out everything. That's going on there at discovery plus bill. It's been so tremendous having on. I'd like to have you on the future talking. Star wars the paranormal or whatever's big. A martin they will star wars star trek. I mean i'm i'm essentially. Just a giant nerd with a large star was collection in the pack. Ghost hunting equipment. So then i'll tell you what you since you're big on marble and we talk about the production values increasing because of the television show and the mandalorian. How serious they took it. Your quick thoughts on marvel's juan division. Let me tell you vision. I watched when it first aired the first two episodes. I watched them and i was like what the hell watching with. What are they doing with this. Then the third episode was still but episode four. I'm telling you what if it floor because you got to see the reverse. You're seeing what's going on. You see that this is taking place after. Everyone is small not everyone but people would come back. And it's like now unhook. Because i want to know because you said it's all want is wanda one. How how's she doing that. And what is the status of vision. I mean is there but the clips you saw from real quick with a grey phase out is the big notch out of his forehead. It was like wow l. So i am so looking forward to the next episode in looking forward to seeing how the series goes. I mean if i would have based on the i don. I don't know what they're doing with this. But i'm looking forward to it. I'm looking forward to what the marvels that coming up to. I mean with zelkin in the winter soldier and announcement of some other stuff. That's coming up. i'm. I'm looking forward to it. Will they took notes from star wars mandalorian on production value and they treated especially this episode. You can see the scale you could see the feel and production was like a miniature marvel movie and to me. That's what made mo- special. And i am invigorated now. Again to goes continue. Might look into the mcu. Because like you. I was like and not wear it. Started a hundred percent get it. I couldn't get wiser. The fifty sitcom being dropped you like in the middle of what was going on and wanted to after a year and a half plus of being away from the mcu. You wanted to go ahead and have nice start. You wanted to be eased back into it. You didn't want to go be just dropped into it. And i think that's why it was originally supposed to be the second series you know after falcon and the winter soldier but again circumstances dictated came first. And that's what mandalorian and wanda vision. It's like i love those universes. And i love watching them after many things. I'll say i will go back and rewatch over and over again but those are two of the ones that i will definitely if assad we afternoon that i'm flipping through. Were one of those movies on stopping during my wife's complaint horribly over the why my rewatching that but it's like i mean god knows how long it's going to be before we get a new marvel movie. I know we're still still waiting. You know for the next one. And i don't know if even confirm whether they're going to actually release it now. I'm taking what i can get. I mean you know especially now that last episode drop with the vision. I'm fully seeing how this story are really into a really good universe for marvel for their tv series. So i'm looking forward to. I will tell you between you and me and the radio. Listener's watched the episode three times already. So that shows you how much i enjoyed it but it is once again bill hartley. He is the man behind. Along with nick groff and also lists the saint joseph shepherd sound. You gotta go ahead and check it out. Discovery plus amazon prime wherever you can get it season wanted to please check out. These awesome episodes today and bill. I love to have you back on talking pop culture or whatever just want to talk about right here at the pop culture cosmos. You're listening to the pop culture cosmos. Wanna thanks so much bill harley and also my daughter ellen for for stopping by the program today to talk about various things from star wars to wanda vision to also bill hartley great. Show the ghost shepherdstown which you can catch right now on discovery plus and also amazon prime but speaking of one division before we head out. You know this man's got to talk about it. Because he's a lover of all things pop culture you gotta go out and check him out on not only one but two awesome facebook groups mcqueen and also the hanukkah outcasts. It is my good friend need. It is no ian fine and no. I hope you enjoyed episode for just as much as i did. I actually intrigued by the show that this is brilliant. It makes me understand why these characters love each other more see you. I think what i love. The before is that it doesn't give away the store but the title of the episode so explains it and we are this program and we kind of explain what happened with the blip that okay. This is the character that was a little girl and captain marvel at her mother apparently during the died of cancer. Them she's being brought up to speed. We have lesion from ant man. They're going to go in but they're in west junior new with jimmy will. Yeah and i like to know where this is really going because yeah. We didn't see what happened to wanda after she left us. We discussed the last time. And now we kinda see that issue really in control because she kind of kicked monogram out of westview after this episode and seeing how was presented almost like we talked about a mini marvel movie. I'm truly glad that. I have stuck with it and i hope everyone else has to because yeah i know the first two episodes like you said with your parents were kind of a hard thing to watch through for them because they really didn't get it and i know a lot of people are going to be like i don't get it. I don't get it but once you sit through episode for it really makes things more understandable for the audience but it also makes things more enjoyable for the future of what the series will be like for them as well. Yeah again. I said this before with star wars that i shouldn't have to go pick up a novel or comic defined out characters that were supposed to be part of this shit episode of that. The same thing with the mcu here. Thank god the way that this work there. If you don't know these characters oriented understand why these characters made such a big deal. This series is going to help you understand what they're about my parents. They thought they were aliens. I headed goal after five minutes and trying to explain this to them. They were like okay. I'm done and then i try to say well. It's not really bewitched but they're going to cairo Tool bewitched all these sitcoms. Because she has these new powers at defines fines physics and he's an android and a hat trick swayed finish stones. By that point. It was over with man. I mean if you started with this episode. I and showed it to them. I maybe that's probably the best way you go ahead. And present it to them and then go back into episodes one two and three. Yeah i think that what we saw orosz what they do this when television nowadays this seems to be the pilot episode because what they do in tv and they've been doing this for years they only show the pilot episode episode. Four or five or something to seinfeld. They'd done this would be which Why characters different wire people into different things is a weird episode and then you find out years later. Oh that was the pilot. They didn't put it in the first episode. They put in the middle. Because you're not supposed to watch the pilot but if you curious here it is. I think that's why they put this in the middle which is okay but does it explain some things yet i would just. This episode was a little longer. I mean one division. I was kind of disappointed. It's not an hour. I don't want it to end. But i also wish i could bench watch this series but does this episode help for people who were confused for for the mcu now for the comic people for but for the newbies who have been watching the movies definitely something that is going to be a lot easier for people to watch if they start off with this episode to help them better understand. What's going on with wanda vision. It is truly great episode. I've seen it now. Repeatedly and i just have enjoyed it every time now. It's great hearing your thoughts on division. I look forward to hearing more great things from you coming up here in the coming weeks with episode five six seven. We'll see how it goes. Yeah you're welcome to stop back in sure through thoughts but any last thoughts on wanda vision and your hopes for the series on the way out my hoaxer one division because again i of have idea where they're going sitcom wise but i kind of hope that they kind of will somehow backtrack the fifties against early hoping that maybe dick van dyke will make an appearance somehow someway as a character of westview Stanley walk on our behalf. Okay with that. But i just go back to what i said. Though it's too short. I really would've wiped this to be an hour episode of peace in binge-watching. I have a feeling it's gonna be an addict. A series of the standards mini series. But it's still one of the smarter ones definitely lived up to expectations for everybody that lives concerned about these two characters. Nobody really cared about before in age of old infinity war. Now you kinda do. So it definitely shows the range that elizabeth olsen and pullback bethany half once again it is knowing and find from hana queen and outcasts. Thank you for stopping by my friend as always look forward to hearing more reports from you on wanda vision and everything else in pop culture and thanks everyone for listening. And we're looking forward to bring you the latest in punt culture as we check in with you this friday right here on the pc multi on radio stations worldwide. And right here on the pop. Culture cosmo's channel wherever you get your podcast so for ellen. Blandford knowing fine and bill hartley. This is gerald glass. it's another beautiful day paradise right here in the pop culture cosmos. Thank you for listening. Here's hoping you have yourself a great own. 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