17 Burst results for "Ralph Blumenthal"
Mysterious Universe
"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Mysterious Universe
"Let's say The Pentagon, you've got a department that has access by maybe four or 5 Pentagon personnel and within that you've got the special access programs. In which there is essentially no oversight of these things. There's money going to these special access programs. Once a year, there's a review of the program. How's it going? Well, we're doing this and this. Okay, great. Here's more money. There's really no sense of oversight of these things. And the reason is that when The Pentagon people retire, they get hired by these companies. It's a big gravy train for everyone. Everyone plays ball. One thing that you learn when you study this is that it's when you retire from U.S. government service and go into private corporate contracts at your security clearances go up and they get higher and better and deeper. So not the reverse. So people would think, oh, well, I'm going to private industry. I lose my clearances. No, your clearance is to get better. Yeah, fascinating. And that's because the money and the talent is in the private industry. And also the deniability and the protection from public inquiry is much more with these private companies that have that are within the special access programs. And that's legal illegality. That's what I call it. In a nutshell. This is what admiral Thomas Wilson's notes revealed when he finally did get access to at least have a mating with the gatekeepers of that special access program. They weren't government personnel. They'll private contractors, those literally no input from the U.S. government or none needed for them to keep operating. You're right, I think this is a great way to think about the UFO secrecy problem. Do you think that this is something that's becoming better understood that we're not dealing with a scenario where the president can just simply go and unlock a file and reveal a little bit? I don't think very much. I think among some researchers, the answer might be yes. When I started studying this, I looked into this exact problem close to 20 years ago when I first published my first book, actually, UFOs, national security state. I was I think I was ahead of a curve on this. A few other people, Stephen Greer, with whom I don't always agree on matters, but I think Stephen gray was definitely on top of this. A few other researchers. I think it is more widespread now to understand that, yes, the president and the official structure is pretty much you might say even window dressing. As far as the general public goes or I don't know, I don't really think people are very well versed on their government at all. And I would guess that the answer is no. I don't think most people really understand. Yeah, good point. When we did finally get that UAP task force report to Congress, you noted in the documentary that the language is intriguing because they didn't even call UFP as a security threat. They use the term a challenge. This is important for you. What was that? What was that signaling for me? Well, first of all, you know, in the last four years, we've had a lot of people accuse people of folks like llewella zonda of being Pentagon disinformation agent basically to scare up the public by talking about this UFO threat. You know, I've heard this claim many, many times. And I fully disagree with it. And I'm not saying that Lou elizondo isn't being a 100% truthful. He knows things that he's not said. But I do think he's made an honest effort of it. I don't think that he's trying to scare up the public with some kind of false flag to have people go running into the arms of the military, protect us from the aliens. I don't believe that at all. And the reason this UAP task force conclusion is one of those reasons. Another reason is simply that there's actually no media coordination at all. When you deal with a false flag, and I've studied false flags, actually in a great amount of detail. Aside from the UFO issue, what you find is media coordination. It's very important. Coordinated media message to hammer the public, you know, to present a message like be very afraid to be very afraid. You don't get that with UFOs, not at all. You're getting the opposite. There's been no media coordination on this. There's been and then here comes the UAP task force conclusion. They're not talking even about a threat. They're playing this whole thing down. And that tells me, and this was one of the themes of the film, the observers, which I thought they did very correctly, which is that you're dealing with a battle within the structure of power about this issue. There's not agreement. So in other words, there's not this coordinated CIA or Pentagon directed rollout of some kind of UFO narrative. There is to the extent that they're trying to downplay it. But to the extent that this has come out at all, that's not they're doing. Yeah, you mentioned factions, perhaps battling ideologically behind the scenes. It seems as though, well, at least mindset protection of that language is that the status quo as one yet again. Typically, they typically win. What you have is and they're still winning. And this goes beyond UFOs because we're really looking at a global revolution. When we talk about status quo now, we can't really confine ourselves to one nation anymore. Status quo is being coordinated on an international level. But certainly, yeah, the status quo is doing very well. My feeling is they've been playing defense a little bit on UFOs since 2017. You know, the narrative changed a bit when you have elizondo and Christopher Mellon basically going to The New York Times. I go to Leslie Kane, essentially, who's a freelance. She's not a New York Times employee, but she hooks up with Ralph blumenthal, who I think is, and they were able to fight The New York Times hierarchy to get this story published or these stories about atypical about the tic tac UFO. Back in 2017. And I don't know for sure. I've spoken with both of them in one way or another, especially Leslie. But I certainly have the strong feeling that The New York Times hierarchy decided, okay, look, this story is coming out because frankly, elizondo had been talking. They did a press conference in October of 2017. They kind of mentioned all of this. This is all spilling out. So you've got The New York Times, which has always done work for the national security establishment. Probably concluding, all right, well, let's just get out ahead of this. And I think that's what they did. And, you know, you notice, if you read the treatment that they did in those stories, they brought in a lot of skepticism and they really played a lot of this down much more than they needed to. I guarantee you Leslie and Ralph have they had full leeway to write this article. It would have been a different article guaranteed. You must feel that the cat's been let out of the bag at least slightly though, because we did have quite a few military personnel going on record and share their incredible stories. That's the UFO researcher who's been in the field for 20 plus years. You must have at least a spark of excitement about what's happening. Absolutely, yes. When those articles came out in December 2017, I was, I was mystified as much as I was happy. I was definitely happy. But I was like, New York Times, are you kidding me? How is this? But over time, I think I figured that out, which I tried to explain just now. But since then, yes, you know, because The New York Times essentially did not debunk UFOs, which they had done forever. That gave permission as a way. New York Times is essentially the United States's version of pravda from the old school. The official organ of truth. And so when they put this out, that gives the rest of the media permission and a few media persons in the U.S., most notably of the big ones, Tucker Carlson over at Fox has, look, one has to give this man tremendous credit. He has not had to take UFO story after UFO story, but he's done it, and he is not embarrassed himself over at he's handled it really quite well. But other than that, it hasn't been a whole lot of media, but there has been as you say these other witnesses coming out. So the story.
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"They're all dead well. Most of them are dead but their sons and daughters who can tell you directly how they were threatened by threat of death if they spoke of this. And we've heard those accounts before. But i think like here's what i think you bring into focus when you bring in the thing because you have covered it so long i see so many people that are falling for the eight hip lou elza otto not the dot it was. The documents weren't classified this from this from a cia spy who's trained to lie. You know the whole thing seems fabric. I've interviewed leslie. Kane and ralph blumenthal really respect and like both of them but they're the ones who originally broke the story in the new york times and it's like how are you guys falling for this. Are you forgetting how they've lied to us for sixty years and now they're trying to draw our attention to. Oh no. it's all right now on these videos. We just discovered from a few years ago. I think we need a steady hand on the wheel there to remind us a little bit of this history and i feel like when you cover this topic you you bring that just naturally to it. thank you. I appreciate that. I'm not saying it's not important but right now especially what's happening here in ontario with Vaccine passports and and We have a charter of rights and freedoms that as robin williams used to quip regarding They had a line of the magna carta being written on an sketch. I mean we are this is it is so all consuming now. This stuff literally keeps me up at night as i say fourteen year old boys. I'm i mean we are on a knife's edge up here and so it is just it takes all of my focus and all of my energy I mean i would. I would love to go back to the days when i could. I could talk about. I call it the stuff where nobody gets hurt. And now i know with with the whole ufo et issued. There are layers there and When you talk about roswell and people being threatened obviously there is a lot of a lot at stake here but What would what. I'm talking about now on some. But but how is there not more at stake with. At then with cova et trump's that a a ten times over how is it. More important than the spirituality trans humanism Satan mystic occult thing do without wilt culture that you talk about all the time if anything. They're complete what i wanna know is. To what extent are they intertwined. Because if i try and understand cove it separately from any of that stuff. I'm lost. I'm lost because i got one guy saying this one guy saying that if i don't try and understand it inside of that context i. I can't get there right well. Maybe i'm more of a linear thinker. Right now what. I'm feeling or what i'm facing what we're facing here in ontario of the immediate threat is okay. So they're about to introduce or they did on the twenty second vaccine passport. Which means okay for now you just can't get into a restaurant and a gym of sporting event. Okay big deal. We can manage. We don't need to go to restaurants but in the next step is introducing a digital form of that passport What can they do on the back. End that to connect to pay pal to connect to your banking information. And i i see where this is going. And it's happening at like warp speed. So i have to contend with that right now and you know. That's an interesting point. How does this intersect with the whole ufo et issue in particular. How does it intersect with the evil issued..
Around the House with Eric G®
"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Around the House with Eric G®
"Home with bitcoin. It'll be it'll be the most expensive house you'll ever. So yeah that story as always you know. Those are some of the stories that get overlooked A lot you know when you go through the alien ufo lor some of the people who said you know. This has happened. And i don't know if your audience knows this. I'm sure many if they listened. Ground zero the know this but June they're supposed to by law president trump put into law. And there's to reveal the truth about these ufo's or the uap. They call them up because they want to. They want to handle the They want to be able to own narrative but But then there's I guess an investigative Task force that. The president hired to do the investigation apart from this other group. That's doing the investigation pass. We may not find out the truth. Yeah 'cause that'd be president biden was asked about. Ufo's what he was meeting with. I think the korean Prime minister something and he says barack obama had said that he seen the videos and he believes that they're real. What are you say he goes. We'll ask him and that's what he said. I didn't hate these ufo questions yeah. He doesn't want to. He doesn't wanna talk about and he's feels awkward about it probably because he doesn't know i remember trump was asked asked i. He acted like he knew everything and then cut backed off and said well. I don't believe a particularly but if our men and women in the navy. I've seen these things that we need to investigate them. And then he signed into law that we should investigate them so hopefully. That'll be honored. Because i know a lot of things like fifteen different executive orders like signed off and some of them were to rescind some of donald trump's policies And so. I'm hoping that the ufo thing isn't one of those things because i'd like to know what they've you know every time. The government is challenged from Blue book to now. They've always come short. They don't tell you anything. And so the us government as well. They're not ones people in the us. Government are not for sticking their next documenting something that maybe their boss is gonna see. That's gonna make them think crazy. But recently we have seen like people in the military that have come out with us videos or freaking remains. Let's say they come like right in front of them. And then boom disappeared out of these people in the military so that tick-tock yet tax. I interviewed ralph blumenthal Whose the editor of the new york times. It broke that story and He was amazed and the thing is is that every one of us most of us have a little bit of exposure to the whole ufo story the mythology the legends all this stuff and when finally made the new york times people started paying attention. It made sixty minutes last week. So and then of course everybody from the view to ellen to whomever tucker carlson all talking about it now and it's so funny to see these journalists try and make heads or tales of these stories and realizing they know absolutely nothing about them now. Anything from area fifty three. Yup what. I'll give you three fifty one. You had it Because somebody was on the view. And i think it was What's your name hosting. And on first name sonny host and saying all. I'm so into this. I love the.
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"And the last line of that that says yeah the us investigating this full throttle and there's a mental phenomenon here that is up high priority higher than hydrogen bomb. They have to factor that in right. I mean that has to be one of the czech items on the you know our russia e all the things. Don't you think different vallejo fillets there and english. Ingles looking at the other side of the moon it had to be extended. Consciousness had to be joe mc monocle who is a spy spying on the east german west. German border had a near death. Experience had raymond moody's book in his secret file when they opened it when they interviewed him at. Sri so you know all these things i think. Are you know check items demons. God andy all in the soup for stargate well. In many ways all roads along those roads lead back to us. Our i in the early nineteen seventies and it was an extraordinary group of people in mines meeting there. And it's interesting to see how they will spun out into the world as we've mentioned before in addition to How could off and russell talk being there. Shock valley was that jackson. Fatty was there for a tiny while. And if you take jacques valet of calls in a he very much went out and pioneered this whole idea that the ufo phenomenon is intricately bound into consciousness and that under certain circumstances reality kind of gets bent out of shape when you are in close proximity to ufo's et or whatever it might be so jack was really looking before anyone else old before most people certainly into the whole psychic aspects all eat the ufo phenomenon for which i think he deserves a great deal accredit not released because he's being in the game you know sort of fifty or sixty years But yeah if we bring that up to date. Now we've got a you a report that recently been handed into congress nine pages in the unclassified version and i think the a few things stood out for it for me as a an aerospace analyst was. Yeah okay good. Positive progress Ua the ufo phenomenon is accepted as a reality. What is still in. Debate and in dispute is what the nature of the phenomenon is and whilst sort of Great portion of the reports talks about the more conventional threats In the aerospace world that could be vested represented in this. Uap phenomenon. the things that are really left out or the elephant in the room in this report are the exotic anomalous sightings data. Set the stuff that actually push comes to shove where all interested in which is the really weird citing stuff that has you know boggled and beguiled is full so long that was just mentioned in parenthesis but nick hold on the elephant in this room is so fucking big. There's no room for anything else. I mean they killed. People are threatened to kill people threatened for their family if they ever ever said a word about this and then december two thousand seventeen. Let's roll it on the new york times leslie. Cain ralph blumenthal interviewed in both on the show. Respect the crap out of him but they totally got duke right..
Reset
"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Reset
"How remarkable find speed roger. Thank you it so if you look at these. In isolation they do look surprising they. I should emphasize that they're very grainy low-quality videos and That's provoked controversy about them. But but you were also carrying train navy pilots express astonishment and what they're seeing. I think people of that reputation expressing and that kind of bewilderment has fed into people's interest in this so these videos from the us navy. They sound like something. That should be classified. How did these end up out of the world on youtube. Yeah so the proximate origin is a project within the pentagon called. Uap task force so you ap stands for unidentified aerial phenomena. It's what researchers today particularly in the military like to call what used to be called ufo's which were birth themselves kind of a euphemism early on but the phenomenon part means that it could just be like lens flare. It could be something. That is an object per se but the task force was set up in the pentagon in around two thousand seven at the instigation of harry reid. senate majority leader at the time. Who has a longstanding interest in. Ufo's who wanted to authorize pentagon investigations into videos like this that he had heard rumblings about and it went through a few different stages in the pentagon eventually luella zondo who has become one of the most prominently on this Who is a career. Intelligence guy in in the pentagon by his regulation took it over and and started compiling video evidence and around this time there was some agitation for greater openness. On ufo matters from the outside in particular. Tom delonge who was lead guitarist. And one of the vocalists for the band blink. Wanting to set up a group called to the stars that was meant to be sort of like a hub of information about ufo's and eventually some of these videos made their way to the stars to the stars hired luella zondo and another ex pentagon official name. Chris mellon in they started shopping. These videos to journalists eventually got them in the hands of keen and ralph blumenthal who is a former new york times reporter and from there. I got flooring gimbal into the new york times and then go fast was leaked a few months later and so it was really a security process. And i think you're right. And in some of these cases these videos that you would assume would be classified but they were declassified by the time that they were released at and had gone through this process of internal review by the uap task force so just to be clear. We have harry reid. The senator from nevada where area fifty one is starting up an effort back in two thousand seven and then there is a member of lincoln. Eighty-two involved in eventually these videos ended up being published by the new york times what happened next. Was there a response from the government. Wants these were out in the open. Yeah i think there was a major cultural shift after the new york times story. I think some of the material and the story was was well known to people in the ufo community. There has been long been online community of people interested in the stuff. Some of the videos have leaked and unofficial form already but the the new york times being interested in kind of put a degree of legitimacy on the story that hadn't existed before so not only did the time. Do a bunch of follow up stories. do more interviews with pilots about their their Witness experiences But one thing that happened in two thousand nineteen is that the the navy started authorizing navy pilots to report incidents like this and encouraging them to add to data on on these encounters with strange objects or phenomena and that changed the culture a bit internally in the navy and then there's sort of culminated in a request from congress for an unclassified version of the ip task force report. To what degree. Do you expect that report to be explosive versus boring. What do you think is going to be an and what do you think is going to be in it. So i have no special knowledge on what it's going to say. It's not released as of our recording. What we heard. Thanks to report from helene. Cooper and julian barnes In the new york times Is that it will confirm that in the incidents reviewed and we solo no which incident specifically. They're going to review but that none of the the things seen were american vehicles. And that's important in that that's one hypothesis for what these were In hypothesis that's been correct in the past area. Fifty one became infamous because it was a testing center for sr seventy one and you youtube reconnaissance planes Which are very a secretive deliberately. Spooky looking planes That unsurprisingly. Prompted a lot of reports when they were in fact unidentified flying objects they were just like. Us military spy planes but the report is expected to rule that out as an explanation for the current crop of videos and reports beyond that The times also reported that they can't demonstrate any evidence that these are extraterrestrial in origin which we should expect. This is not going to be a big blockbuster. Report where the government says aliens or real Beyond that we don't have a lot of detail. And i'm really eager to dig into it. So it sounds like explanation could be that their aircraft from another country or someone else's spy planes. Yeah so again tyler. Rogue away has has this theory at length and i encourage people to read his work on this. It's very detail than to me persuasive. So his theory is that this is many of. These incidents are drone swarms off from russia or china The idea there being drones a really cheap to manufacturer they're not Very difficult Technology of country like china. That has long lagged. The us and aerospace stuff would be capable of deploying them and just as we had u2's and as seventy wants to spy on soviets it makes sense that other countries would have reconnaissance reconnaissance drones and that they would be seen near naval bases of which is the kind of thing that those drones would would be looking at if they were real. There are people who believe that this is extraterrestrial. Who'll insist that the things that they see. These vehicles doing cannot be done by drones. True and rogue away has has more technical detail on this but A lot of things that look crazy about these videos are like tricks of the eye or an effect of cam. Replacement and While there aren't obvious explanation for everything the drone explanation this russia china joined explanation. I think has a lot of evidence plane. Its way and it's obviously the kind of thing that if true with of great concern to the us military. So there's been sort of an ebb and flow of work the doing but and that sort of been reflected by the ebb and flow of mainstream public interest as well. Ufo's were big when x. Files were on in. The nineties of the cold war was still a recent memory. What do you think has has made it possible for you. Oppose to jump back into the to the mainstream now. Why do you think that's happened. So i think of it as as you say the after the nineties they were sort of technological shift that made this easier for people to to dive into and ensure stories about A lot of ufo culture now us on podcast and on youtube where people can dig into. Specific videos can interview people who've seen specific things And youtube and podcasts are great for for that That this is the kind of thing that they're built for And i think we're also at a point of near bottom trust in government institutions. I think you see that manifest itself in various ways but one of the ways is through conspiracy theories hesitate to use that term. Because i think a lot of people in the world have theories about these things that they hold in good faith and we generally don't have a definitive explanation of a lot of these these things. It's not a situation like the jfk. assassination where like. There's a real thing that happened. And then there are all these theories but as people lose faith that the government is telling them everything people start to wonder about. What the government's hiding from them one thing that's been interesting about the government's response here is that it's been very actively trying to suggest that it's not hiding anything from anybody that they wanna proactively. Release things. They wanted to classify things they want to build some kind of public. Trust that that they're on the level on this stuff with with the public. The difficulty is that. There's there's never going to be enough for some quarters. And there's there's a classified annex to this new report that's coming out. I'm sure that that's going to feed suspicions that the classified annexed is actually full of evidence that aliens visited us but think that's just symptomatic of a broader decline in social trust and trust in government. And i also have to wonder if increased interest in space. Travel has something to do with it too. I mean amazon. Ceo jeff bezos is about to become an astronaut. Musk is talking about sending rockets to the moon in. It's almost like we have different kind of space race happening right now. That has more people looking to the sky. Yeah we're we're in a private sector space race for the first time and at. Yeah i. I've never heard that positives an explanation for some of these sightings. I don't think spacex is is pretty good but that do a good job of telling the government when they're doing something but But yeah there's there's more public nation with with space and space travel and Yeah it's make sense that it would translate to this. Take you for joining us to read. Dylan's full story. Explaining this uptick in ufo interests had to vox dot com. Thanks so much adam. This podcast is supported by a t and t active armor right now. 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Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Know heaven. You guys have an incredible show on that. That i i. I can't quite process that all the way. Like i don't know because that could flip either way and she and shows up in a bunch of other different places but it is interesting and i actually asked you know ralph blumenthal. The guy wrote the book and he's a veteran new york times journalist. But there's another quick story. I want to say about blumenthal but back to back to mac for minute. His co. attorney on. This is the guy from spotlight. The guy who. I forget his name now. But the guy who broderick mic leash is he the guy who prosecuted the priests in boston. Yes yes it is so so. That's what a strange mix there to have to do you want. I don't know. I don't know if you're aware this you wanna do. You want to get even weirder. Because i'm reading right now that he was supported john. Mack was financially nonprofit was supported for four years at a cost of two hundred and fifty thousand dollars pier by the reincarnated emperor of atlantis. Laurance rockefeller right. Yeah that makes sense. Yeah he was told. I starring allegedly. We've heard that he was told that ethylene institute by the nine the sort of child entities ran for awhile that you know that he was a reincarnation of an appropriate lantis. So that's why we referred to nelson rockefeller apply dot com. Yeah you know. This is something. That's very interesting to me you know not to. I know. I haven't listened to your show with what we i'm interested to do. So but it something. That was very interesting to me in reading more about him because of the connection that jimmy drew between him and jackson fati. Nfc in that hadn't necessarily occurred to me before you know his work very interesting directions in the idea. The connection between the aliens and the dead you know. of course there's gifted children theme where there's From childhood you know there's a connection with them at then blossoms in later life and something that he brought out in later works as that you know the there some connection between them and death that we're being brought up for death. Can i send away with the nba thing and some of the skepticism did connect only with the skeptical part. And that's why. I think we need to be suspicious of it because it has so i don't know i. We can't decide definitively but it has a lot of the fingerprints of a sigh up to you. Know that i'm going to go up. That and i'm going to kind of control narratives. One is that like it's all an alien trick and the other one is that the aliens are like real peaceful representatives of whatever s upon death. You know there's different spins on it. I wouldn't necessarily break it down like that because look as soon as we contemplate an extraterrestrial non human intelligence in these extended realms. Well we can attach anything to it. We can say you know. They're in cahoots with the military industrial complex. And you know this or that it's my lab or that it's space brothers or that. They came and met with our and they gave him a choice. You wanted to be the good and he just you can go to so again. Where's terra firma. You know and so to me. John mac is is partly terra firma. You know. it's not like if that was an interesting conversation. I had with blumenthal light so like if you wanna step over. John max work. You can do that but then what you enter into..
Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Right and the video was in his thing the next day and he said yeah it was on the internet and they took it down kind of thing so yeah it was floating around. I mean we. We didn't have all. But the pentagon later authenticated the videos and they were absolutely real and people did. Try to pick them apart and say. Oh you're looking from this angle and this is it's not fabricated these real objects that were caught on and we interviewed pilots themselves. That's another thing we did that Shows that we found these people day fraser and and ryan his last name and danielle coin pilots. Who told us that they all these things and day. Fraser said he watched this thing as it was under water. You know and this is a highly decorated. You know. Navy jet fighter pilot who saying these things so they. I don't think they had a script written for them that they were supposed to tell us this stuff so but i do think that the The stories we wrote Convinced the government to come out more and maybe they realize it's not something that they can contain anymore. That people are demanding answers so it's it's pushed the process And You know there are people in the government who want to see Much more come out You know we know that But there's also a lot of secrecy still involved. A lot of stuff is classified. That may not need to be the a tip as you point out wasn't for some reason It's strange The navy videos were not classified because they were. We wouldn't have put them out. We couldn't we don't want to go to jail and we wouldn't be dealing with stolen leaked classified material. That's not that we've never been accused of that one of the things that was super interesting during my interview with kevin day and it relates back to your book and it relates back or just talked about in john. Mack is so kevin day again. He's the guy who from aboard. The ship is orchestrating all the communications. So he's telling where the pilot the pilots where to go and all the rest of this to interesting things come up from his story. One is that he says these objects like twenty thirty whatever were in the air had been trailing the ship for seven days. I said kevin Do you find it strange that you didn't report that to your co before that.
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"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"He thought he he was. He was getting tired of life. I mean Associates noticed that he was weary as as john mack wrote about lawrence applied to him as well His death was an accident but it wasn't entirely accidental. So you know he was. He was getting weary. He was interested in what would happen to him. After he died he told friends. Maybe i can do. Better work from the other side Things like that so So he was. He was ready for another experience. You could say I'm not saying he committed suicide when he stepped out of that underground station. London looked the wrong way. That would be a mistake But he was tired enough and was incautious enough to the look. The the wrong way ain't got mowed down now immediately at the time. This was in Two thousand and four just before his seventy fifth birthday And just before. I picked up his book or i learned about him but There were rumors at the time. He was a rundown that it was an assassination. He was so prominent he was such a thorn in the side of harvard. Had you know that there are a lot of people wanted him dead things like that. But i got the police reports I had access to all his records All the official records in his entire archive has his journals that he kept. And all the information you know surrounding his life that i had complete access through. Thanks so i am satisfied. One hundred percent that it was an accident The guy had too much to drink. We know who he was. He's in the police reports Etc now at the end of the book. I talk about him appearing to friends and associates After he died. And i say. I'm not investing this with the same credibility that i give to the rest of the book But their stories of people tell. And i think they should be part of the record because It's just you know what people said happened after he died and there were a number of stories of him appearing with various messages That i found interesting again. Proof of an afterlife. Not really but Hard to shake off their stories but there are anecdotal. I thought those stories at the end of the book in the in the epilogue were extremely powerful. And the one thing. I guess i. I'm kinda going to be returned to what i said before. Boy i i really feel personally that we have to kind of shift our language about that. It's like it's not proof. It's like if this whole body of information says anything to us. It says that we have to really really understand what we mean by proof and i always kind of think of it in terms of the burden of proof and it's like where does the burden of proof shift. I it went. Does it shift in this case like after this communication to me the burden has clearly shifted if you don't believe in after death communication than the burden of proof is on you to show the thousands and thousands of verifiable accounts from all sorts of different sources from the best medical evidence. We can.
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"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Like with david jacobs head on the show a couple times and also kind of interleaved those interviews with a woman named mary rodwell. Have you ever heard of mary. Rodwell show show well known nice. Nice very nice person. So they're kind of going back and forth on this issue that you explore in the book of the goody versus batty evily t versus spiritual loving here to bring transformation kind of et and david jacobs. Who is it's important to know. I think if i can interject i think david jacobs and a bunch hopkins have to be understood from an atheist perspective. That's what they see. When you talk spirituality those guys it just complete they go. You're not mean there's not any of it anyway. So why even talk about it. And that's how they see it but they also have some pretty solid evidence. They bring back that. That says that i mean like david jacobs. Some people criticize him that. He's not a professional hypnotist. Well i gotta tell you as a pretty smart guy. I think he trained well enough and it sounds like his protocol was pretty good. He tried to intentionally mislead people. You know he would say okay. Now go over to the corner of the craft and they'd go. Okay wait a minute. There is no corner of crafty goes. Okay yeah that is confirming what you said anyways. I don't want to long in the story but being david jacobs. I'm interviewing mary red bull. They're going back and forth one sank. Evil batty t sense. People back rapes people which comes through again and again. I don't know how how we understand. That inside of our culture is anything other than the ultimate intrusion of our personal space and that is reported and then go to mary. Rodwell says look deeper. You know there's a spiritual thing but here's the point. David jacobs one. I'm sure is. This is a project this program. This is like as we would understand it in our world. Somebody's trying to get some shit done right. So then i go. Manic say merry. What about that long pause and she goes. Yeah well it is definitely a program. They are doing some kind of genetic manipulation that means they are doing something. There is an intention allergy to it. There is a directive to it. And so i guess i'd throw that out there and what do you think about that. We jump into that other space of other rea- you know other dimension and stuff you know. Well listen as jack valenti and other experts have said if that's the case they're very bad scientists because they have to keep doing the same experiment over and over again they want to know how reproduction reproduction works. So they take the guk. The man and woman sometimes people who know each other and make them have sex in front of the alien beings so they can understand reproduction so as one anthropologist told me for my books you don't need to do that. You just get a hygiene manual reproductions. Nothing ought to figure out to make people go through that again and again and again and to you know examine the bodies again and again through all these medical procedures that you know the experiences detail. At great length the actually describing the instruments used a. So why do they have to do it again. and again..
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"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Peer reviewed article. Several times was rebuffed. Let me set this up a little bit. Introduce correct me. If i'm wrong john. Mack writes a book abduction human encounters with aliens. As you mentioned he's already been on the circuit at harvard in terms of making presentations doing this stuff. But now he really goes public. Oprah winfrey larry king. He's out there in this way that you're talking about as open like hey. This is what happens. Aliens are abducting people and having sex with them in order to hybrid humans. That that's the newsflash hair from harvard. Harvard doesn't like that so he doesn't like that now. I make the point in the book. Alex that harvard is no stranger to anomalous research. I mean william. James was talking about seances at harvard hundred years ago. And they were okay with that. They don't disowned. William james but there was something about john mack that rubbed the wrong way. And i think it was as you mentioned is appearance on oprah He was all over the media and he was kind of open. Guy about it and Maybe that that disturbed them apart from the subject of alien abduction being so she aided with harvard and harvard professor so anyway they convened the secret inquiry which I call and they call at one point and they mentioned as an inquisition. now they said they. this is not an inquisition. But he's a harvard. Psychiatrist says well if it's not an inquisition. Why do they use that word to describe what it isn't so it's about the money this is not about the money right so it was an inquisition. It inquired into his finances and quiet into his mental processes. That he believe in. Ufo's all of these things that really should not be part of an inquiry of a professor Join academic freedom at a at a major university. So they called in his experiencers. They called in his colleagues a lot of people they called and colleagues who were not particularly friendly to him because he took some of their patients and treated them. When the when you know fellow psychiatrists wouldn't deal with the teas so there was some people who had an ax to grind and The committee spoke to them and the committee was also a very weighted towards scientific. Materialists if you can't touch it in a measure it tasted in ain't it ain't it doesn't exist and john. Mack was trying to tell them that. There are things that we don't understand in the universe and even physics is beginning to grapple with these now. spoke action at a distance. And all the things that are supposedly impossible so he was trying to explain to them. That things we don't understand but it doesn't mean that they're not real and they said well. What's your proof any said..
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"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Day on cape cod in one thousand nine hundred sixty four he and the other people in the cost spotted a ufo over the ocean and they thought that was cool and they followed it for a while and they got to the party and they told people hey we saw ufo and they all said. Oh we've seen ufo's oh sure we saw you know so he said wow what does this phenomenon. So he starts to study it but hopkins and he teaches himself hypnosis. He said. I'm an artist and nobody cares. What an artist does he. He couldn't suffer any loss of reputation. But hopkins research these people and wrote a book long before john mccain got involved called missing time where he identified the phenomenon people who remember spying a ufo and then sort of losing track and then later in hypnotic regression or even conscious memories recapture memories of having been taken aboard a craft and subjected pseudo-medical experiments. And and meeting you know short grey being so called the grays And all that. So so but hawkins was already well into this When john mack meets him. And as i said john was very skeptical in the beginning but then he gathered his own group around him and was absolutely enthralled and be wilder and captivated by the stories he could not believe. This is happening in any kind of recognizable. Reality interject something here. Ralph because as the story is told over and over again this kind of a couple of different ways to interpret it. I think anyone who encountered such a kind of an incredible paradigm shifting experience would be evangelical so i think sometimes when we talk about but hopkins amigo. Wow but hopkins just jumped on this thing heavily us. He jumped on his thing he he was living in one. Reality the reality that we all live in and then suddenly that reality is turned upside down and then suddenly he starts talking to these people who were all confirming it over and over again and then when we talk about the evangelism of john mack as you said a guy who's supremely accomplished supremely confident and he is basically confirming top to bottom everything that but hopkins is finding and you want to say but hopkins self taught in hypnosis. John max sure should ain't self taught and he's not getting the same thing and he's not even putting these people times under deep hypnosis..
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"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"And then this leads to some other amazing chapters in this amazing life. He becomes this kind of peace emissary He's jewish he kind of has it's kind of interesting too about his background. He kind of comes from this very kind of trust fund rich kid. East coast Jewish kind of society. And then next thing you know he does this all these fantastic accomplishments and then he's becomes kind of this peace emissary between israel and egypt and he kind of has that he he kind of knows arab thing a little bit from writing this book. I mean it's it's a again an amazing chapter in his life as well. Yeah i mean. I outlined all the steps and it was a series of progressions really that took him ultimately into alien abduction and finally into life after death but The result of the lawrence biography. Which is you say. Won the pulitzer prize. Nineteen seventy seven He was suddenly considered an expert on the middle east. That's how things work you write one book and suddenly you're an expert so there. He was recalled to the middle east to mediate the arab israeli conflict. He had an introduction through a colleague at harvard to yasser arafat and he met with yasser arafat gave him a copy of his book on t lawrence called the prince of our disorder and so he was an expert on the middle east and that led to other things. He traveled widely around. The world was booked for a little lectures He also became an ardent opponent of nuclear weapons and he demonstrated against the the nuclear weapons stockpiling went to arizona got arrested with his whole family. His wife and three sons for for protesting. So so i. I think it's very important in in the development of this book to outline all the steps he took before he became interested in nail in dutch and first of all. It outlines his bona fide. He said he was a serious guy and he achieved a lot and he knew the human mind In so far it's ever able to know spielman mind so again. He couldn't be accused later of not knowing what he was talking about that. These people have psychological aberrations crazy And i think it was very important to establish that i agree and to establish that just as you just said i mean. He's i mean so. He gets thrown in the middle east thing but he immediately excels at it. You know he's well respected by the people he meets and you know he's harvard..
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"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"Getting you put this shit on the accelerator. But when i go you go nick. That's from the movie. The signal. Where nick and haley along with another. Mit student whose name i can't remember are on a cross country trip to kind of work on some issues with haley relationship with. They don't realize hacking they did at. Mit is following them. Because actually it was part of an alien abduction government sponsored program really alternative reality simulation kind of thing. Have i lost you. I hope not because wacky is that might sound in the cy. Five movie reality. We seem to be in. It might be a lot closer to the non reality reality r- actually end and at the end of the day. That's really what this amazing book by. Today's guest ralph blumenthal whose authored. I think the ultimate biography on john mack. Well i think that's what it's all about. Here's a clip from the interview. What john mack has done along with. A bunch of other people has shifted the burden of proof. These experiences that people are having are not the way that we'd normally talk about them real because my read of it is they are real. We just don't know what real is anymore. What are your thoughts you could not. I could not have said it better now. John often said if anyone has a better explanation. I'm willing to hear it so it's not mental illness. It's not a mass delusion because these people don't get together publicity seeking because they shy away from publicity. They don't want to be known they're questioning. They wish it wasn't true. It's not books. They read a move zinc kids two years old till the same stories so he's eliminated all these other things that it's not so then he says okay so as far as i know nothing has happened to these people other than what they said. Welcome to skeptical where we explore. Controversial science and spirituality with leading researchers thinkers and their critics host. Alex occurs and today we welcome ralph. Blumenthal skeptic oh ralph is the author of the believer alien counters. Hard science and the passion of john mack. It's i really love the title. By the way ralph i. It captures so much anyone who's read the book you know. There's some kind of you've done a lot with just a few words there even with the and the passion of john mack. That was great. So thank you thank you. A lot of work went into that title. Titles are important. I know they are and you just gotta admire someone who's done it and i also just admire this book so much but let me till folks for a minute you know..
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"ralph blumenthal" Discussed on Skeptiko - Science at the Tipping Point
"And why i'm here and that's why i am continuously no matter how much i piss you off. I am continually open to and just so thankful for who you are and what you bring and the life that you've lived and the contributions you've made you are just an amazing amazing spiritual being and communicator. And i honor what you've done what you continue to do because you know sometimes people you know th the whitley is not going anywhere. He's still cranking out stuff you know go to unknown country dot com. Go to dreamland. Listen to that amazing podcast. I think just. I mentioned earlier in the show. The interview with ralph blumenthal. It's phenomenal. you cannot read ralph's book and not listen to whitley's interview with them. The two would be y- they should be. He should be sending those out an mp three with it. 'cause one doesn't even fully tell the story without the other because whitley is so central to so much of this experience that we're living as were unfolding into this larger reality that is you know this e. t. ufo thing widely phenomenal. That you've join me. And i thank you so much. I'm sorry i put you on. Tilt but i'm not gonna apologize right. I'm sorry on tilt a few times in my life. I bet. But i i would like at some point to discuss my book which we did not do. You're going to have to find somebody else to do that. I guess because. I can't think so. Yeah because i because josephus is is a very peripheral last active the book. But i don't want let's not go back there. We've been there on that it's over and actually show there's actually Which you you don't you don't see it that way which is fine. There's no there's some really important points of connection between what you're saying. And what. I'm saying i mean what you're saying about. Constantine what you're saying about the romans co-opting the religion is central to what i'm saying you're just taking a slightly different direction. And a lotta times. That's how it is when people talk about. Even with people are in sync. The differences are what..
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"It on raku, YouTube, Apple TV Zoo mope Ludo and most smart TVs. Newsmax is real news for real people Watch it today. Robert concerning the PICS essay contest. So you have to apply before you submit an essay and then a panel of judges decide who gets to enter, But you want a broad spectrum of entry, so they're not going to exclude everyone. And you will award the nearly million dollars for these prizes later this year. It's not like somebody wrote to me and compared it to James Randy's The Amazing or Amusing Randy's contest. A million bucks for evidence of UFO's or paranormal, and he never awarded it. You're gonna ward this money, right? We absolutely are. I'm not gonna come down with writer's cramp at the last minute. I had not gonna happen. We absolutely will. Andre. We don't know if there's there's going going to be other contests. We want to get Through this our first rodeo to see how well everything is coming together, and we're gonna be excited to write those checks and excited toe. Have the people if they want to come forward, and maybe on your show George and talk about their essays and, uh, that that would be fantastic. That would be great. Yeah. You're not gonna stash these away in a vault somewhere. The essays will be published. Maybe even some of the runners up. I mean, you want to get the word out and encourage people to continue the research. Well, the essay's belonged to the author's right. So it's their property. We're asking for permission. Azzan Applicant at his Ennis, an entry Do the contest to put them up on our website. So we're asking for permission just to do that, and we'll try to encourage them to give interviews. Um To whomever and and so you know that that's all part of the of the idea to expand the The field. You know, Bix, I guess is an independent arbiter of the value of the evidence that will be submitted in the essays. But you have already sort of reaching conclusion. You think there is an afterlife? On You Hope I think that's some kind of communication can be established. I am I overstating that. Well, let me back up. The vics is not an arbiter of the success or failure of the arguments that the contestants are going to try to make. That's up to the five judges. And we have no control over those judges. We simply selected the best we could out of the people that that we knew in the field and related areas where we thought these air These are people who are not easily fooled. And so we have five very good judges. And for better or worse, we have, um A sign to them that responsibility. To make those decisions, and Vicks has nothing to do with who is selected as the winners. No, you you would talk about, uh, your gathering all the best evidence, the best research and books. Everything has been written on the topic. My overstating it to suggest that the sum of the best work was done 100 years ago when they leading minds of the time. We're all interested in this and we're careful to try toe confirm that there really was something going on. But then the topic became discredited because of phony mediums. Yeah, I think I think you're right, George. I think there was a quality of scientific researchers back in the late 18 hundreds early 19 hundreds that was profound. Um then. Um, it changed. You say through fraud was being committed and then people who were legitimate and we're not fraudulent. Were labeled on spirit with that thing that same claim that they were committing fraud and so was never quite the same. I think The materialism of science. Probably science has become a religion of sorts all on his own. Um And so there's tremendous peer pressure. If you are a scientist who is studying weird things, you better put it in a brown bag. And not let your friends at the university, you know, notice that you've got this book in your briefcase. Or you're liable to be ostracized and asked to leave the university. E. I want to talk about the consequences of this research because you had shared with me privately of some really strange things that have happened since she kicked this off back in June of last year, it started thinking about it. Things that happen to you things that happened to your staff members, things that happened to family members, and then we saw that New York Times article which is a very flattering Profile of you. And at the end, Ralph Blumenthal writes that he had a really strange experience while working on the story, something that woke him up in the middle of the night and kind of spooked him a little bit. That fits the pattern, though, doesn't it? Uh, yeah, It's part of the The unexplainable. With These kinds of phenomena on and you can you can you can talk it up to serendipity. And you can say well, just a matter of coincidence. That You start something, and it propagates outward to a lot of other folks. Most of whom you know, and then branches out into people that you don't know. On. What do.
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"Guest tonight is well known to our listeners, even though he hasn't done many interviews in recent years, And even if you were interviews on camera, The New York Times unleashed an insightful profile of Robert Bigelow and it's Sunday edition Today. Written by Ralph Blumenthal. He was one of the three journalists who broke that huge story back in December. 2017 about the tick tack and the Pentagon program called a chip, which studied military encounters with UFOs Now called you a PS. Mr. Bigelow was a space entrepreneur who founded and funded his own space program. Bigelow Aerospace, which launched three of its own spacecraft into orbit, one of them attached to the I s s now He was also the man behind IDs. The National Institute for Discovery Science is probably spent more money to support UFO research than any person in history owned the skin Walker Ranch for 20 years. And signed an agreement with the D A to study not only you oppose, but also paranormal events that seem connected to the UFO mystery under the umbrella of something called all SAP. Now he's launching a new venture to dive into consciousness. Whether or not there is evidence of an afterlife. Robert Welcome back to coast. George. Thank you. It's I had no idea. It's been seven years. Yes, I had to look it up, guys. You know, I haven't known you for its 31 years now and being allowed by you to be a fly on the wall for things. You know, confidential things so many endeavors that you've launched even I could not report much most of it all the time it at least at the time, and it's always amazed me to read things about you on social media. And in articles, you know you're a mystery, man. Your shadowy you own the Bigelow Tea company. You're in the casino business you're studying. You oppose. You can control the alien technology and escape the planet. All men are vory dark, conspiratorial stuff. And I have to chuckle about it. Sometimes knowing you here in Las Vegas, your family your business and charity activities, All Republican Open and it sort of makes me laugh. And I wonder Do you pay any attention to this at all? Does it even make a dent with you? I don't know. You know, I just know this George. There's no way I would buy a used car from that guy that would do it. The New York Times story today. You know, Ralph Blumenthal ways out a lot of your personal history. It's a great piece, the one overriding message to come out of that all this. It's that all these East seemingly varied interests, UFO's and consciousness and the after life and Mysterious phenomena. They seem like a bunch of different things. But your experience that will talk about tonight not just recently. But for years suggests they're all related. Let's start there are they Is there a link between consciousness research on the UFO mystery and some of the weird experiences that you and your family and your employees have had? And if so, when did this first start occurring for you? Well, that's a mouthful. Um Let's see You co mingled two or three things here on my Let's start with Whether or not what what might be the interconnectedness and the similarities between the two, Um topics. And I think You know, we have you have Ah. You have well documented. Stories about people in crowds that some conceit e. A certain object in the sky in that crowd, and others cannot, And that seems to suggest there could be a consciousness connection there. Also you have many anecdotal stories about people that, um Were thinking about. We're viewing a unidentified object in the sky and and and it started to drift away and they were thinking JIA wouldn't I wish it wouldn't just leave just yet. And in a reverses itself, So you have You have various examples that suggests that there is conflict consciousness connection in on a superficial level. Uhm it maybe also, that's more than just superficial. Uh And so I think there is a connection. I'm not sure exactly, uh, the extent of it. I don't know anybody that I don't know that anybody knows that. You know how how extensive. Is that consciousness signature and and and connection. But there are many different kinds of ways that that you can, um Identify situations in which seems to occur. For you What you've called the Holy Grail questions. The two big questions. Are we alone and what happens when we die? These occurred to you at a very young age because of things that happen in your family. On D even though they seem the seem to be unrelated, looking at the big picture you think they might have. Ah, there's a connection between them. Maybe you can run through some of those. Sure. Well, you know, I When I was about I guess it started when I was about three years old, my grand parents who where which, By the way I live next door to The time I was about three or so years of age to maybe where I was about 18 and Then went away to school. Um, but when I was three, they had a very close encounter. And we've talked about that many times and it was it was an event that was so profound. For my grandfather. He would never talk to me about it on my grandmother was only a little bit. Some pieces would say something, and I didn't even find out about the story until I was about 10. Um, 10. Years of age, maybe nine or 10 somewhere in that in that time frame through my mother. She told me about it. And then she and my grand parents, uh, had a daytime sighting. Of a large craft over It's called the Sheep Mountain Range north of Las Vegas. And, um, so I had friends who had had a lake up very close to To the vest and their families..
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"Leslie, and before you go to the phones to other questions, one is returning to the subject of a reincarnated kids. They come out with these incredible stories. They're terrorized and try to remember what the phrases were that They kind of intimate that they're not supposed to talk about it that it's against the rules for them to reveal this stuff, and it made me wonder. What's going on there is there. What are the rules? Why do some people come back and doesn't mean we all do our only some and then? Makes me also wonder how many cases there are here in the in the West and the U. S and religious households where the parents just tell him to shut up. This is demonic. I don't want to hear about it, and then the kids eventually outgrow it. And And the memories fade. Yeah. I mean, I'm sure that happens, George because you know, even with the kids, we cover that there was one parent who was very resistant to it. So if you've got two parents, I mean many, many times, the kid's air told Oh, you're just dreaming. It's just a dream and then It's sort of shuts down. The kid might might give a few other memories, but the parents think it's just sort of fantasy, and they don't think anything of it so It's the parents that have the alertness and the awareness of the service. Strangeness of what's happening in that kind of allow their child to express it. They're not Pushing them to do it. But like with these Children that just comes out very naturally at the moment when the child feels like there's somehow comes up. Oh, yeah, I'm sure especially in this culture George. There's so many families that Justin Just because of their attitudes. The child never really comes out with all of it, and it just gets buried. I think there are other cultures, of course, where it's more expected, like and you know Asian countries India and Burma and places like that. And those were the countries that were research was originally done. On these cases by young Stephenson. In from the University of Virginia. Because in those cultures there were there was a freedom for people to talk about it because it's part of their belief system, so that makes it easier. But that's not the case in this country, so we don't know how many times it happens that Cases. They're shut down, but I'm sure it happens quite a lot. One UFO question. Um, you know, you and your colleagues wrote that story, December 2017. I haven't talked to you on the air about since then, but you know, it's changed UFO subject forever, so many ripples that were still feeling. Can you just share with us what the experience was like and seeing what a profound effect it's had on this subject that you've covered for so long. Yeah. I mean, it's been really, really exciting. I mean that story, You know, for me as a journalist who's been covering UFO's for 20 years and to suddenly you know, I don't Yeah, I've been about 20 at that time. So suddenly be breaking news on the front page of The New York Times News That was really significant. It was like the pinnacle of my career as a journalist. I mean, I never had a moment like this. It was absolutely Life changing, really. On gifts? Yeah. Which wonderful to see the effect that it had. I mean, I'm just so glad that You know, the story was able to change things the way it has, and I think the subsequent stories we did also One. A year later about the Roosevelt cases also had a big assessed. You know where the Navy was actually willing to acknowledge that these things were happening, and we got freedom of information Act, you know, reports from those cases. Yeah, I mean, it's been really Amazing ride George and It was just thrilling and exciting, hard work. But really, really thrilling to see what it happened with it. I don't know how else to describe it. And how is the New York Times on this topic now in general, I mean, for you know, decades ago, you'd see a story or two here and there that they take right down the middle seriously, and then it was sort of a forbidden topic for a long time. I can imagine what a heavy lift it was to get this through. Editors and I've heard stories about pushback. I know that, you know, looking at the readership, the reactions that these were highly read stories that they must have made a dent and people realize that the paper that while this topic is of interest to the public, but I doubt I tend to doubt that there I hard one assigned a UFO story every month. No, exactly. I mean, there's a very, very high bar in New York times on. That's one of the reasons that the stories carry so much weight. You know, you can't just sort of go in and write about the latest thing like you might be able to do in a block or something. You know, it's got to have There's a lot of need to. It's got to be government related. It's got to be something really new and exciting. It's gotta be ground, breaking those kinds of stories that there don't go for, but We are my colleague Ralph Blumenthal and I are always looking for what we could bring next to the New York Times, But we know That most of the stuff we ran across. We're not gonna be able to bring to the New York Times. It's really frustrating, so we have to get it at a certain level. That to interest the editors there and but they're always there interested. I mean, they want additional stories on this topic. We have definitely changed the attitudes of the New York Times They are now recognizing. This is a valid subject worthy of coverage, and they're willing to do more of it. As long as we can find the stories that they Field to be or so you know, at the level that the times need them to be at and so that's our task. Let's take a couple of calls west of the Rockies. John in Oregon, by John You're on with Leslie Kean..