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1376: An Excerpt from The Power of Vital Force: Fuel Your Energy, Purpose, and Performance by Rajshree Patel
"This is optimal living daily episode thirteen seventy six an excerpt from the book the power of Vital Force fuel your energy purpose and performance with ancient secrets secrets of breath by Raj Patel and I'm just a Malik happy Tuesday and welcome back optimal living daily or the O. L. D. podcast where I read to you. From some of the the best blogs I can find and get permission from covering self-help minimalism productivity anything that I think is worth your time sometimes book excerpts to like today before we get to it investing can be hard and confusing especially with ticker symbols and charts flying back and forth on business channels like it's the runway at lax why why should something so important to your family's future be left up to the talking heads on CNBC enter the motley fool. They give you straight talk without the fancy jargon and noise. You're are used to their flagship service. Dog Advisor gives you two brand new stock recommendations every month with daily analysis and coverage coming directly to your inbox daily. So what are you waiting for go to. WWW dot full dot com slash optimal living daily to learn more and claiming exclusive discount only for listeners so today's author is Raj Patel who is a minded meditation expert and international self-awareness Coach having taught hundreds of thousands of people in more than twenty twenty-five countries on the power of meditation mindfulness breath work and more great stuff you find the book on Amazon and more Info at Raj Patel Dot Com for now. Let's get right to it and start optimizing your life. Sir An excerpt from the book the power of a vital force fuel your energy purpose and performance with ancient secrets of breath by Rodrigue Patel. If you ever watched a child throw throw a temper tantrum you know exactly what craving looks like a child in the throes of a kicking and screaming fit want something so badly toy an ice cream cone own whatever that is as if their mind and body have become completely consumed by the object of their desire children throws a Tantrum look like they've been possessed the yell and scream no. I want it now. Give it to me now. Deal not stop until they get what they want or move onto another toy the worst tantrums and with apparent throwing throwing in the towel because they've gotten so fed up or the child moves onto wanting something else on occasion the Tantrum men because the child has gone tired for the moments but only only for the moment the child will be back full on after a short nap to recover the necessary Gusto. Don't fool yourself into thinking you've grown out of this kind of behavior we grownups suffer from the Gimme gimmes just as much as if not more than small children adults throw tantrums all the time the only real difference is that we learn not to do it in public or even to show it in private so peer to have better control over our desires instead we wear are crazy on the inside side throwing tantrums in the privacy of our own minds. Our minds can easily become possessed by desire in the pursuit of what we want in this state. We burned to our life force. There's more quickly than a flame burning through an oil rope now. I know your mind is telling you right. Now that going after what you want with single pointed focus is an active determination and there's nothing wrong with that. I agree with you but only so long as you're not losing your peace of mind or your sleep over it at that point is not determination but your the inner crazy clear is quickly and think about something you really really want something that your happiness or even just your. Oh kanus depends on it could be a house a job and ideal body weight the fulfilment of a goal or dream a life partner. If there's nothing you're craving that strongly right now now think back to a time in the past when he wants something so badly that it hurt the wanting became more powerful than you what happened to your mind is zeroed it in on the object of desire excluding all else when the mind is in craving. All of our attention and energy is going toward. I want it. I want it. I want it. What do I want that. When do I want it right now. Emotions intensify raising thought increases cleared coherent judgment are lost. We call desire blinding because it renders US unable to see or focus on anything except for the object of desire to a total loss of perspective active nothing else matters. This mindset has a profound effect on your health relationships career happiness in short every aspect of your life. We've if you pay attention to what's going on physically in craving you may initially notice and similar to those of resistance. A tightening in the chest shortening of the breadth breath tension in the muscles is the body in a state of non-acceptance. You can't accept the fact that you don't have what you want in your tire bodies tightening up in protest but there's something else going on to if you keep exploring this inner experience of craving you'll start to notice a strong sensation of heat rising to give it as the heat of desire physically emotionally mentally man energetically with craving does is build heat when desires especially really strong. We say it's feverish. Pisa temperature of the entire system is literally rising the fluids in the body. All the nerves arteries in energy channels start to a boil up is what we call a burnout think about what happens when you heat elastic things like rubber or in this case arteries energy channels to get loose and floppy energy starts to leak out we are doing is melting down in burning through your own life. Force your leaking out vital energy. You'll quickly lose the stamina endurance Brinson resilience. You need to go after what you want your becoming loose and floppy. I don't think you need to tell you that. This isn't the best state for being dynamic in life life. Craving is a fast burn that spreads like a wildfire is the whole system huge amounts of energy are exerted both to fuel the fire and to cool down the system so that it doesn't boil over highly ambitious people myself included or at high risk for burnout because as we've seen ambition which is nothing more than a desire to achieve one's goals easily tips over into craving the energy of ambition can fuel and motivate us in the short term but if we don't balance with rest and release we end up running out of fuel and we're only halfway through the race is fast burning energy that empower US sprint but it's not ideal for running a marathon. Life isn't a sprint rent your career your family. Your most important goals are not a sprint accomplishing. Anything meaningful is a marathon requiring steady stable able energy that lasts over time requires stamina and resilience which are expressions of life force debility to endure and persevere comes from stable stable life force not from the energy of a kettle boiling over you just listen to an excerpt live from the book the power of Vital Force fuel your energy purpose and performance with ancient secrets of breath by Rajouri Patel you find it on Amazon Amazon and more INFO is available at Rajshri Patel. Dot Com now ever wondered how to invest or shrug to understand how to make your money work for you you probably I want to hear about the motley fool then the Motley fool was founded twenty five years ago in a garage by brothers. 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Restorability with a Specialist in Restorative Dentistry PDP009
"Now if you say to a patient that you are overloading the system and as a result of that over loading of the system you something has to give it may be your tim j or it may be your maybe two that also increases patient's perception of the issue i e it's not the ownership of the problem isn't the dentist. It just needs to be a crown on this teeth for me before it cracks. The ownership of the problem is now shared amongst yourself being yourself being dentists the patient as well because they have to realize allies and welcome to the protruding dental podcast the forward thinking podcast for dental professionals join us as we discuss hot topics and dentistry clinical clinical tips continuing education and adding value to your life and career with your host jazz gulag <music> heroin longtime no speak there was no episode in july because i became a father i am an our father over very beautiful gorgeous healthy baby boy we have named him yet so so the reason why i was a bit busy and occupied in the month of july and our guest today oh salani also recently became a father congratulations to him. Go jam packed episodes salani. He's a restorative specialists and we're discussing restore very key. Topic obviously data practices i sound very nasal because at the time and reporting i was a bit poorly so apologies for that and there's no tro- today but all the stuff that we discussed and he linked up promised will be on my website jazz dot dental or on on my facebook page a dental podcast. Please follow it for a little gems and tips from the podcast and elsewhere. I share on the page. Please like that however i will give you a truce identify dental poll and the p._d. People today is on the theme of restore ability is to use an e wanson gauge. This is a good game jewelers us and obviously continues to measure the thickness of things. These things could be cops. You're looking for about three millimeters of cusp thickness or if it's less than that then you may consider to overlay that casper example. I use it quite a bit to measure the thickness of birds and also for lab work. That comes comes back on my a crowns thick enough in the aclu aspect on my resin bonded bridges wings are they thick enough quite commonly labs to make them thin. Probably we know that they need. It'd be at least a point seven six so it's good to to measure that it costs less than six pounds and comes on grappling so it's easy thing to purchase. It's something that every restorative dentists should have babylon anymore enjoy. This episode was a sort of things that we discussed wrong. The description of this episode is quite a bit. It's a very broad topic. Restore ability so was could've gone in any direction and i'm glad it went the way it did. It's quite fundamental view of alternative therapies discussed lost as well so i look forward to great episodes lined up already prerecorded so recent hopefully this month. Thank you much enjoy. Thanks so much for agreeing to come onto onto podcast really good to have you. Can you please tell us out there a little bit by yourself yeah so currently consultant restored bent strict king and on basically full-time qualified in two thousand and three kings do from kings they they tend to stay at king's say within the m twenty five actually left essentially unless london in london exile on on this lock eight years i went to wales for awhile and then i went up to new call so i came to canada for a bit and came back to colombo. That's really cool. So are you practicing in canada. I was practicing. I mean it was very interesting from pointed aspect of dentistry because the system is much more generous. Shall we say when it comes to dentistry mystery and it's funded entirely differently. I saw worked for days a week largely managing patients through dog asta clinics and the patients that i see on m._d. T- clinics as well on fridays teach honor opportunity <unk> diploma which is basically a combination of supplemental itching workshops phantom head teaching and clinical teaching chess on teaching in the second year and that's that takes up a a lot more time as well. I suppose and that's essentially targeted for g._d._p.'s who are u._k. Based and going through things treatment planning aclu factors to managing the end of the degree to and all those sorts of things so it's been running now for two and a half years and well. I'm hoping you're going to be successful. It's one of those things things i started. I'd i'd like to see blossom essentially or some and so today we're talking about. Responsibility is a huge topic and <hes>. It's something that is subjected to a degree. <hes> very subjective. Yep i'd like to learn is how you teach deployment how you always salani thinks about restore ability which factors you take into consideration. I think subjectively restore ability the upward pressures on on dentists now on the u._k. From patients patients now on less reluctant to lose teeth however however however i think obviously the downward pressure comes from things today shin that g._d._p. I think we're becoming more and more squeezed and trying to push the boat out forty to try and and essentially do some heroic dentistry just trying to save the fees in question when you're in hostile. There's no fees involved and you just go by okay. Give me whatever you think is best. Do you think that could be a big factor for talking. More generically. I mean regardless of being hospital-based or otherwise. Patients are more informed because through google did you to age you. I was having the discussion with recently and we'll talk about textbooks and in you know a lot of learning now he's access through google and if you imagine you may google something and doc you'll patient has the same ability the accessibility that information as you do because they can google the same things that may be on the letter rule or phrases that you may say drink sermons more demanding as a result of that. Why can't you save. Why can't you <hes> you know do a call on you. All sorts of aspects make things a bit more difficult not difficult but at least it will affect our decision making because we have to empower patients with an installation and knowledge you know the amount of eighteen remaining for example the ended on tick bacteria period onto factors that may play a role in successfully restoring too. I think four fool patients they need to not grasp what they feel is right across but we feel is most beneficial to them because every patient doesn't i wanna lose a tooth but on balance we need to look at the restore benefit a tooth fairly objectively in that. We have to balance these multiple. Oh factor in factors big factors clue factors in providing something. It's predictable to the patient because anything can be restored. I mean anything can be restored doesn't mean it should be. I mean it should be and also the length of time that it's going to school so it's very important because patients want to know. Is this going to last me five years. I'm sure as as you say probably practiced patients would happen to hang a number on the amount that they are investing in and you get those patients who again talking about subjectivity their patients who who may have had one bounce of peril ethical pergram tartus in that office and even though the truth may be quite restore -able that keen on having just a tooth removes because of their experiences yes. That's an eminently restore chase. It's got carried. It's reached the pole but it's restored whereas we have the other patients where you've had repeated restorations you've had repeated post chorused rations and they just want to keep up to raise long as they can so yeah where where you come from what you've experienced obviously has a big bearing on the patient psyche and psychology and decision making yes aspects and what you said then implants obviously have grown massively lost thirty years say especially in the last ten but do you think think do you agree with me that perhaps in the last five years that when a debatable tooth comes up instead of jumping straight for the employees going back a little bit back into heroic dentistry to try trying to get some more years out of the implants out of the truth even asians that employed on the panacea they all know the cure fuel for free dental problem. Remember maybe twenty years ago when y- implants i really became very popular and the perception of it was that why would you why would you throw the kitchen sink to try and save when you can have it removed have an immediate employees and have it restored within three or four months it. Was you know the test that the real test of any dental treatment is time and once you have teeth develop parent pontus. We've we've seen this last twenty years or so. The option of maybe replacing the employees or indeed managing the parent front office is quite daunting rene psalms all more traditional aw conventional techniques restore teeth with limited extra chronic to to hear such as the post cool or such as may be looking at cannot retreating tueson jason and establishing a good colonel seal. I think to look at a tooth that maybe unrestored for at least questionable restore ability and somebody sues twenty or twenty-five. If you were to engage in providing employment age it's conceivable over the next generation going to become centurions can reach the age of one hundred the implant will have problems over the course of tom and indeed will become obsolete. Remember is the implants we've seen seen things on social media where we're gonna implant is awesome. That's quite data and don't recognize that design quite funky from the eighties nineties but teeth don't generally early become obsolete timeless they don't. They're very timeless our teeth if you look at a situation where we're looking at salient differences between gene teeth and implants the key factor on republican into this bit more later on is that teeth have carried onto ligament they have this gel capsule all that can really do things in that it can manage aclu's loading and essentially react to various different factors is whereas implants don't do not have the ability they are very basic in that respect implants have become very popular the only re- they only should be really provided in situations where we have a good oral hygiene and all of those other factors going for us or at least we can modify before we engage in that i mean commonly you know if we have a patient who is a young patients who feel ready ready for it impact treatment and has an lesion that i feel a two theories of then you know the explanation normally the explanation. The discussion that we have with the patient is that i mean you have a collision on his tooth. It's questionable restore ability. We need to modify the things to essentially make things more amenable to an implant in the future you and that may take the form of treatment and getting some regression of that lesion before we even discuss that now obviously buys us time and it gives the patient a bit of a it gives you time to assess the patient's perception of treatment lint patients that come in comedy come in may say they feel implants. All the perfect registration jet earlier the solution to all the problems not always. It's not always really that way or it's not always. It doesn't always pan out that unfortunately but that's a very regular conversation. I'm having my patients deciding whether to save a tooth or not and a lot of patients has come in who maybe accent marketing implants are just a replacement of teeth whereas you know as we know implants not replacement for teeth their replacement for gap yep so it reminds me of when i was a fourth year dental student sat with ron spill can ross perot based in sheffield started consultant. Oh yes yes yea very charismatic funny guy. I won't say anything perhaps if you're a student you can be quite scary sometimes being unconcerned with him but you know it was a great experience time time and i remember going around the circle with students and we're trying to solve a discuss what we know about implants and i said why feel now was the stupidest thing ever and and i said implants last forever and raj patel godless oh he shot me down so hard that i'll never forget the beating the verbal beating eating there had from that day and that was that was the perception of the ident student hang on don't implants last forever but that was a four hundred end student in the public must definitely feel that i think it's all they all essentially a metro boat where you have a highly of compared to a vote to tweeden teen parallel to league burnt and and essentially the romantic in us should as dentists should be aiming to maintain for as long as possible not to the point of being ignorant about not not being able because that would be doing all patients this service but we're looking at an women teri where we can keep tease as for as long as we can. I think as i said you know things are gonna come round. Full circle and patients are probably going to perceive that as well you know actions. <hes> teeth can't be saved we could upscale and gain extra skills in trying to push the boat out for teeth for as long as we can whilst also informing our patients have those factors which i think is the key now because you know if if a patient is informed if you spent just say for example you got you're looking at you're looking at long very cool and the distal margin is quite deep and it's close to alveoli common scenario that we see in practice and you you perceive that as a challenge your time maybe better served as opposed to really sweating over to and trying to get a good good margin on the impression an extra ten minutes. It may be that you spend the extra ten minutes explained to the patient that unfortunately is going to be very difficult to get the optimal the margin and for these reasons than the expectation is managed out come under promising over delivering there is a that's a great little really eighty for us in in in two thousand nine hundred and no more so than the challenging prognosis case absolutely so i think you know changing our way in which we approach informing our patients and managing heavily broken down to east. I think we'll evolve also in that i find it very useful to draw the buying withdraw the periodical that the patient can see but actually draw droid out and say this is the route to can you see that your whole is so close and it just makes it an scandalous scanlan as part of the notes sosa medical legally all very valid and that's yes once and that's a nice little communication thing that my patients find quite useful and they so remember that my tooth is naked and it brings the expectations down so if you just jump in and say where do we draw the line. Can you tell me where you draw the line now for example one thing i think about about the first thing i think about when it comes to restore ability. The word is almost synonymous with variable so for me. The first thing i look at is has the tooth for example got a ferro of at least one point. Five two millimeters basically is that you're starting a obviously oral hygiene. Factors can come on the structural rupture so there's been a lot of work on this. You can imagine and we know that to me is required required and that we want to brace the two together and essentially the federal only allow give your g._e._d. To tissue circle french shape but it also allows the to be loaded loaded the two and the cool restoration it together as opposed to maybe wedging or at least leave ring against the two so that that you know the feral is very important. It's been work at the eastman looking at various different factors. His associated restore ability quite been quite few indices do use them to use these indices. I just wanted to know in your practice. I don't know i mean and again. I feel that because it's so subjective is sunday because i think a lot of these indices unfortunately and and they can't they can't really factor in the patient expectation but it also is very them to factor in the occlusive like this for example you call times when the patients nations or hygiene factor in various different things. Essentially we need to look the truth is a unit to just what is remaining above the gum because again volume that can be quite difficult so exam fool album mcdonald's work at the eastman subsequent to a number of really good m._s.'s he's <hes> bobby banished the embassy in two thousand but look at the amount of tissue remaining and recap to that require current restoration and a leave the block on look to spitting to up to six six tonnes and measuring the amount of tissue remaining volume metrically if you just it's coleman now where we have one will it's virtually intact and the other won't the buckle. The pelagia will be at a pre classic premolar buckley related. You have a massive amount to sure one side not the other volume that volume ideal would have been better sowed big distributed evenly amongst the two so we don't get those situations in some of these indices where you have a donut confront show at court predictable the real a point where we start to scratch our heads as when we're missing so much on one side and we all virtue entitle me other rolling. Let's make it tangible. Let's say case. I had actually about eight months ago so le right first molar. It has about a half a millimeter a ferry feral super jewel so there may be some substantive issues well buckley's a half a mil buckley about a millimeter media on this deal and then we have the entire limbaugh wall intact all other factors being favor won't be the restoration of choice imagine say beyond to restore this tooth because in and one other math you bet may choose not to and different mouth and that we may choose to what would you suggest would be a suitable way to restore such tooth or do you think that it's not gonna work going there because the factors are so variable and respect that if that's case and it actually treated or not does not treated ended on entreated not retreated so vital and i mean in what we're looking at more often. Now is the states because you know there's there's quite a lot of conjecture about conventional preparations versus that he's preparations so if you have a so confronts you'll enamel ring that may bode well to bonding sort of adhesive restoration that may be quite neat in design in that situation if you to a conventional in that situation and you've got lack of tissue buckley measly distantly if you that lingual wall. You're not gonna have much left. As far as i'm so in that role to overspent at only now has gone through an evolution as it were because you know it hasn't been on a motor to now really has made numerous advantages of having over conventional restoration you you can visualize the margin you can. You can control your moisture control instead of been deep into the region. If the egmont suffrage you're you're bonding and you'll summation prices is going to be a bit more predictable. They are harder to prepare than conventional crown because you have it you know to on lays of same essentially because the margin of an as very much dependent or indeed dictated by by what the truth is giving you to start with absolutely whereas if you were to go through sheinberg and you were to look at sort of preparation every one of those essentially intially if you're doing your job and you were on the money you every moment that you would prepare would look exactly not that book whereas the only preparation which conserves to shave <hes> <hes> no you to price is going to be saying and i think that sort of aspect when you describe that situation then itself to an on lay i mean i i'm a huge fan of golden lays so that's my that can be more goatee sentence situations when it comes to motifs are broken down so certainly it does what one thing i consider it so only was deftly on the list the other way i asked one of our colleagues maho patel sent him what's up at the time and and the other alternative we suggested was a elective office and do they split post technique a cost and then to restore that could have been another way walk involved there but definitely a very valid way too as well. The patient ended up choosing due due to fees and other what she was having done is a massive compass and the day that breaks. He's having a tooth out again. I mean if we go back to you know electrically treating i think what's important is that we know what factors what advantages the pope <hes> <hes> provides us with avant pop provided swathe there is quarter of evidence some of it is quite dated now to show teeth with pokes aw physiologically more able to manage loading on either pain threshold is such that there's less likelihood for them to fracture then maybe a non vital teeth because they made the procure sept- of nature the tooth is able to manage sudden loading more easier <hes> mm-hmm. I think obviously gaining you. Gain by lots of italian situation is you. Can you know cool that you may fit as more predictable. You're going to be eh you. You're going to be gaining resistance revenge for going to be gaining greater contact of your restorations through the pulp chamber aw and she went for the comfort and she's probably been. She's probably been informed by yourself as to what the fact is gonna be. I think for yourself and you know be interesting to see what happens with that over time and i'd like you to tell me what happens actually ca- sounds quite interesting to see how it so far eight months no issues but i i expect the lingual break off eventually and then she's going to have that too and that was very much. I walked her through and she wasn't keen on spending the best coming into implant territory and we had that full on discussion with the drawing and everything and that's what she thought was best for. I completely get that. We got to help our patients. It's and be non-judgmental. I mean why does she have. Why did the buffalo franks. That's the other question we must ask ourselves because we make the same mistake twice in if she she if if the buckle fry will fracture the result of clues will factors and you know we don't look customers coverage as as something that we require in these heavy broken down not and we're making the same mistakes again. That's also quite keys we don't we tend to look into an isolation whereas they're all going to be multiple factors that the pomp play a part in white he has become unrestored rable or essentially making it more difficult for us to provide the restoration. It's very you were just talking about now is that the ended on studies studies about route field malls light to break. I actually tell my patients that from from the mola's that are filled our extensive for example losing module ridge obviously expanding explained in patient determine but i'd say it's six times more light to fracture a. I'm pretty sure correct me from it's from ray in one thousand nine hundred thirty but i like to give my patients so evidence based sorvino is six times in your an individual but according to studies a mall research with the loss of modules six times more likely to fracture gotcha with a recruiter and that helps them to rationalize why exactly we're turn to have something because once the root canals is my fix yet yeah i think patience sion's is putting putting value back into investing in a tooth a motive to <hes> you know well operated well restored to is is very extremely valuable us as dentists and it's communicating to them so you know you'll pay for our patients. It shouldn't really be just a root canal treatment. The package should be restauration also and you can argue that the quality of the corona respiration is more important than the actual. Actually we can now treatment itself. Let you intimated there. The colonel restrictions the most important one of the most important factors not only for the fact of keeping the bugs out of three candidates zimba essentially protecting what is now a week structure kassir protection yeah 'cause we'll protection because essentially now the more you know as so you know we're using looks more often. Now we're seeing we've never seen before down. Pope chamber where maybe twenty years ago we may have not been used in the most elaborate. Mike lees with seeing cracks in teeth. The on inevitably affect donald diagnosis t the other factor also is that we've had those those cases where we don't know what's wrong. You know the root canal treatment has been optimal and you take come beam c. T. and you discover a factor. <hes> you know not happen to my nurse recently where she had rican out treatment dumped by some expert ended on tests and essentially the outcome don't come we had to see them and i wrote this up as a sort of you know editorial and subsequently we odi actually found out what the problem was was when the tooth was on the end of books fortunately and it was a fractured all the way up the plato roots which wasn't <unk> so again we're looking at seething also looking at protecting the reigning to shoot and inevitably there was a fine amount of tissue that we need to achieve both of those aimed and i hate cracks. I think restarted g._d._p.'s and everyone in dentistry advantage cracks are huge have a huge bearing on restore ability because the presence of of a hairline crack just turns your story ability right upside down before because the next question is about cracks and how you manage awesome but i just wanted to mention the ferry which i think i probably learned about three or four years ago. I think good felicia's to here is look ferriol. I don't just look at the height of the wall by look at the ferriol horizontally as well how much thickness that's what is important as well for for for bracing and giving a a strength for your future restoration if you've got something with less of a horizontal feral than there's more flex in the denting <hes> you can add to that yeah so if we're looking at some longitudinal work so the the at the eastman survive right for the millions of our median maybe mean <unk> ahead who post-coup restrictions approximately fifteen years. It may have gone up gone down. I don't know 'cause they publish it lost. I know but then but then out comes all new posts i e replacement post is something five years and that may be you to would you could speculate he liked that likely to be due to its thinness denting wall subsequent to re preparation or indeed. Maybe root canal re-treatment. We have this sort of movement now and don't don't take movement with regards to minimum access cavity gonen jackson's cavities. It's amazing to see but one of the things that we appreciate despite being able to route now treat and m._b. Three routes a pinhole is that you maintain as you said you maintain that denting thickness and that builds resilience in the tooth managed clues reloading and indeed you know makes the tooth more more able to manage or at least seal the truth because your margin is going to be thicker i e this bacteria were bugging travel through that modern is going to be much longer. Gotta get the tax so i think things of the denton is also very important as i said to you. There is an overt focus on the heart of eighteen hours of the other factors such as thickness as well. Thanks so much so crap teeth. You have a lower seven in patient. I should have worn dentition. Generally intact dentition minimally restored good oral hygiene and been seeing this patient for a number of years and you're starting to notice that the crap on that seven is starting to get stained to to this as symptomatic. These situations are re. Don't know how to advise our patients because i've seen a few over time then they develop symptoms and others. You know we can watch nothing ever happened so i never really know whether to recommend some sort of maybe a gold minimal minimal prep kabul coverage gold hat for these sevens and something that i'm pretty sure you're going to say that. There's no right or wrong. Answer is very difficult but anything in your opinion clinical opinion you give these scenarios so i mean obviously it depends on the tube and it depends on the situation. There has been there has been a lot of and work on how to manage these sorts of situations. You know one of my colleagues ron. Miller has looked at providing on lights up until that point that crack has slowly slowly started to propagate the tipping point point will be one of the customers undermined so much so that you have strikes becomes unrestored <hes> now i explain that to a patient since photography as you say you've seen the patient over maybe three or four month period if you took a photograph of tom's era and then took another office three months or four months the ability convince the patient to go through that process actually know what you have a crack hair and i've been watching it carefully for yourself and it's now start to get stained feel that we need to to manage this prevent this from propagating. You're more likely to probably get acceptance of data than if you would just instated officials noticed this. I think we need to an online on their absolutely and this is something i've done very recently. Actually the patient within upper six. Actually i know seh crack. All my new patients will get a full series of phone work and i'm not saying in a couple of recourse or four recall is now two years. I saw him and the only people with crack teeth. I take subsequent <music> so follow up photos because i've done no work on everything's good i wouldn't take full clues all series photos for for for everyone but famous okay got. Let's compare and so useful to to have two years worth of before and after photos of just more life and chewing without any dentistry involvement because actually see a little more aware here and there and you see the little bit wider collapses stained and i think that can be a real good tool in general practice any politician of diagnose yourself and and help and decision making i mean nothing i mean looking at <unk> t this is now a twenty th century academic. I think it is something that we're going to be more morriston and it does m._e._d. Amalgams that went in. Maybe he's a nineties during when remember to the better <hes> those taste will come back and they present with issues again the coleman other common situations where you have somebody with an m._d. Album and they want to replace for composite for other reasons reason and i come back with an issue of that you know pope assaults of issues. I think for patients again. If we're thinking future thinking of future proofing bring you the constant factor that we can never really modifier really have saying is whether or not maybe wear stabilization splint or soft point guard at night to reduce the amount of non extra reloading on teeth because that's with well-controlled restless ether. They're probably less likely to make to where the michigan split that we might prescribed to if we have that constant tara function brooks zim working on teeth that have cracks in them and it is a constant austin and say for example you spoke about cut strictly fails and that tooth extracted the remaining twenty seven or twenty six teeth the the amount of pools want those remaining teeth will actually be great a percentage because the amount function will remain fairly a constant but you have less take that low as a whole yeah a pair of teeth now lost in that as a percentage quite big exactly two-thirds lot especially especially if there's a seven or a six if it's a molar i think greatly affects the equation doesn't it. I think that would be the real <hes> moment of realization for patients when that sort of explanation goes through and you say to match you know you've lost the magnitude but you have another twenty six t bearing in mind that you have of these fast on very generally positioned you know all the teeth are now going to be a greater risk and at that point discussing maybe online of a strategic to protect them in six for example may not be out. You know maybe maybe you become cautious quite sense or at that stage absolutely treatment planning wise. I think that's something that philosophy. I follow that sometimes if you are having that sit and wait approach to the patient but if something bad does happen is always a patient been in with it the whole time then i'm a bit more aggressive in my recommendations i think that is what is actually best for the patient of their craft after emerging molar than they are going to be a cracks and other to lesser degrees perhaps to to reach that failure point and that point is a good idea to then be more aggressive. I think i think yeah i think that realization important patients that they need to manage act upon the cracking we work in london patients generally quite stress. It's routine in my practice that we go through visual unlock scale stress for patients nations and patient and they say yeah i'm nine or ten and you you want to translate that into what they present. Orally you looking for facets looking cracks in those situations yeah <hes> so i think again as i say we're looking at restore ability but also looking. I can't what the forces on the teeth are going to be. The forces so important. I'm a big fan of looking at so one thing i do for patients in please tell me what you think of this is i feel that the master's prize muscles and because i think that's really well correlated with the patients who have meteor a ah hypertrophic master grade them usually as mild moderate severe and it's part my costume screen software vaccines in the software we use for note taking to every new patient will get get their masters and tom price assessed. I'm looking for ten in this but mostly i'm looking for the size of it and already for the patients who got the big masses. I'm already suspecting that there's a functional habit and i'd say about nine hundred zero five at the time i look in the mouth and it's a exact solver mirror of the size of masters so those with larger masters i am seeing we're into denting significant cracks and i'm noticing that a lot more sometimes the based on their closures well they have got an arab and they're mostly according with combined with para functioning or could be from sample their facial type. They're breaking facial deep bite but that's something i assess. It's it's supposed to be a sort of karla to their bite forces well which obviously a region to what you've been describing now thames stress levels and generally the forces that i think again. I mean going back to restore minniti. The tooth is heavily restored or indeed questionable restore ability in a patient who is a powerful patient versus. The patient who's not far from patient is quite essentially quite different. Also you know the the role plays and maybe guidance as well working side experiences all of those factors payroll and just to say some of these industry ease as quite a few of them now. I'm not paying going direction. Everyone in particular the the aclu's will factor is probably don't very difficult to factor into that situation. Thank patient's teeth evolved to meet or release being contact for fifteen to twenty minutes a day during chewing cycles now. If you say to a patient that you are overloading the system and as a result of that overloading leading of the system something has to give in. Maybe your t._m. J. or it may be your maybe or two that also increases says patients perception of the issue are e. It's not the ownership of the problem isn't the dentist needs to crown on this for me before it cracks. The ownership of the problem is now shared amongst yourself being yourself being a dentist the patient as well because they have to realize that you know we can't help that suv huge forces that on teeth are fairly minim- minimum amount to two remaining that we all i mean again you know come. We've come back to inclusion again because fairly important would restore ability. Sorry we diverge this. This is important because the crux of a predictability is inclusion collusion. I think that last minute of what you said is going to be my main snippet. My intro snippet my promotional snippet for this podcast because i think that's exactly why it's h._r. Patients you know how family minute day in normally there should be together and i love giving that information on patients because they really think oh. I didn't know that it has helped a lot of my patients over the years when they feedback to me that you know what jazzy told me that and i've been and you're right. I have been pressing my teeth and these scenarios and whatnot and these are the same so you have more craxi. You have more large restorations and you have more crowns because their forces and what they're doing with just much more so i think what you said there was absolutely golden in terms of value that listens we'll get from this so i'm conscious of of time so i just want to ask you know there's only so much we can cover. What are your main pearls that you think would benefit listeners and overall umbrella term of responsibility or could be a certain aspect of restored ability that you would like a g._d._p. Is looking into more when making those decisions is there anything in particular that you wanted to mention out so again it goes back to the amount of cruelty remaining but then teen gene or at least a mile kernel density remaining also did. He said that he states to the teeth. It's it's weird how you know because the the the movement that we have in the u._k. With regards monument to surface loss that we have this enamel ring around the anterior and we want to it where it has no resistance since we're talking essential along adhesive component entirely by soon as ammonia. It doesn't seem to correlate that same situation. I i think what is important is that we have to max out on every stage and minimize any thing that may compromise each stage so for example if we were looking at all for going to restore something and he simply then you know we need to just look maybe utah's rubber dam because because if we get slava contamination we're doing an i an on lay that maybe bonded donald tenalio something such as nexus we don't wanna compromise that situation and we need a to observe of stage and realized that we have to ensure the most optimal situation with these teeth what question we're still <unk> if we got colonel restriction we've got an access either is bounded by the that's not situation that we will swear it's as as we said earlier than what we have to shoe or we have a deep margin distantly <hes> and you know we want to get a good margin as best as we can in the deepest this portion i think the other series is that if we get if we nail margin and we get a good seating restauration castillo margin because it's so deep you could occur we could say that that much is and cleanser both for the patient and it's likely to develop the cain the future then me and go on to discuss the partial exit onto technique doc which apparently was technique founded by a chap called italian chat call dr paulo guazzini and probably bastardising that word but it's to call the partial exotic techniques pretty cool. You're sort of an extra to make a tooth that was otherwise borderline unstoppable to restore one and that's what we're gonna discuss now. Now are at something quite recently from someone in italy where instead of maybe orthodontic extrusion which may last quiet while and maybe quite difficult to achieve achieve aesthetically anyway until really they were doing extractions of the roots and then re positioning with a splint trauma houma splint but they would purposely extracting the route and creating an environment for he thinks partial extraction therapy right partial the pawsox therapy correct me if i'm wrong is when you have when you have the remaining route buckle to employ on this is purposeful extrusion of the two through a forceps and then creating a new amount of feral extra cronulla yeah. I think there might be a couple of inches. Certainly i went to a lecture. The bod awed by just one and a half years ago and a chap who had some solve he's ridiculous. Fourteen years where we had lots of great case it essentially for those who are unfamiliar familiar with this is new using forceps alexa as he described but you always have to warn the patient and actually if the sating breaks and and that's game over so just come in to the patient to come in with the mentality that this might work places you trust and the right off scenario premolar sample and yeah like you said you're just sort of look sating the two sides about to come out by a couple millimeters obviously their new tight way and he splint it so that in the alveoli bones regenerate then i think it was about two weeks later he would root 'field that tooth and then you have instant feral basis. That's what you're referring to rest yeah so i mean again like i said like we said earlier i mean we're looking at innovative ways to keep going and you you know who would have laughed told me twenty years ago someone had you know someone who top of purposeful extraction organization to gain the federal and it's it's called traction which it has you know people that are talking about. Here wasn't people doing routinely on. I don't know the i don't know anyone who in the u._k. Is doing routinely and if you are if you listen to this reach out let let's not share your case. It'd be good to learn for everyone but certainly i know yeah yeah. It was -talian man that actually presented abbad. I forget his name but yeah i think in europe it might be more popular so then our discussion turn back to implant went back full circle with implants and their issues implant. I was place twenty three years with growth and aging another bad lectured went to and again i forget i don't know his name is probably a reference it later but you had all these follow up cases of implants where the the screw threads the implant threads were exposed not because of poor technique of placement these replaced by top dogs and implant algae at the time but actually growth and ford and down with growth of certain types of long face females or whatever and how they we grow in how they end up their implants end up looking quite ugly over time and that's a huge ticking time bomb as well. I think for the future i think i think you know tom is the test really restauration under think implants are placed quite early as well in patients exemplary growth and adults in adult males continues until the late twenties so as i say they're all cases that have come back where teeth may have been extracted and the patient i should've been referred in the situation is such the implant is in anchorage in it and it has not my great with the with the other teeth either side and it is essentially the edges is quite far savar click when cadets be adjacent teeth with regards to the situation with expose these threads and all that other aspect of things. I think you know the the change in policy as realizing that that once you've removed route that you lose the bundle and you're a great you're obviously are great risk of bone resorption on the buck especially for the anterior teeth which you know very paper-thin bom yeah paper-thin boehner even if you've got somebody who has a very thin bio time social situations you may think twice about extracting two and providing an implant when maybe we think also more more globally camin post-coup restorations or innovative ways and restoring teeth. We've been we've been industry. That's been done industry indi- straight for hundreds of years or at least one hundred years anyway if we compare that to you know the genesis of infant technology which really has really really taken taken taken traction of twenty five years or so when you compare that difference in experience knowledge and research teeth again all superior in that respect because there's more there's been more dante. There's been more research on in those situations a compromise. You got a compromised implant in someone in a loved one's mouth. What one would you choose to have to treat for them. I will take compromise will take suit so again. That's not paradigm but the association between teeth and implants again swung tools to even if it's <unk> heavily restored even if it's lacking tissue. I think that's the way things go really. We're also mindful of the time. It's a topic that you can literally talk about for hours on end because i'm just reading lists you said implant restore ability interface perreault factors endo structural clues aesthetic patient litigation and obviously future development so literally that this could have gone in any direction and i'm glad it when the direction that didn't because we talked a little bit about inclusion methods to bring that all together they took about ferriol so <hes> thank you so much for that. I want to know a bit more about. I think you're doing an inclusion. Suppose oppose him in september. Put link-up for everyone. Could you please tell us about that yeah so we started to do the symposium. I think lecture days days quite common along time ago. Hands on courses have become the known now but you know. This is a traditional lecture day with i would. I like to think some four very good speakers. Go crazy talking about g._d._p. Also don't take some things not doll banbury down for months just talking about crack teeth and munching endo restorative interface and inclusion and how to manage teeth and how it klew load you wanna ended devore to affect things <unk> onto collusion offers future and we've got may who who's a makeup patel who is also going to be talking about controlling collusion though certain aspects of maybe the crump vision process when you know you may look at a tooth of the trust restorative a crown and those little aspects respective lack of control of the collusion can result in you know maybe the crown not fitting appropriately or indeed the inclusion on no being an idealist it has it can be so the it's one hundred fifty pounds and about six hours a c._d. That's actually that's a bog in secondly really like those people that go on board karachi you know he taught me darla and he actually went to listen to tip karachi in sydney because i'm such a geek that when i was in sydney at the time i i mean it's a long way because he lives in south london but anyway i was i was i was on a different course and i was on my johnny's as chief is coming and my wife very kindly. Let me go okay. I might get time seem in london because just the way life is seeing in sydney and his fantastic author of course over two days talking about doll and i was much more confident using technique after that so that is great as good talking about that mammals lecture sounds really clinical. Click clinically applicable so was yours sounds like a very good day to take nuggets so i'll be sure to if you put the link at the end of our podcast people can look into that bargain the day so brilliant any last words anything to say. I'm looking for water subscribing innocent little teacher podcasts. Thanks much career appreciate that ah yeah.
Raj Patel of Mantl on Saving Community Banks
"Hello and welcome to another episode of Bank Fintech Fusion. This is Phillip Ryan Director of Communications with CG catalyst and I'm here with Roush Patel Coo and co-founder of mantle. Welcome Raj thank you very much. Thanks FOR COMING UP. Tell us a bit about mantle and tell us so what drew you into financial services. You could have been anything in the world in here. You are working in Fintech. Why is that show yes so Mantle is an enterprise software company based in New York we exclusively bill technology full community regional banks and credit unions across the United States. We don't drive any of our revenue for money center banks. We don't drive any of their revenue from Fintech Fintech clients it is primarily full community and regional banks which is hopefully the owner of this. Podcast we really got drawn to the idea by setting off the bill to challenge your bank which is a very very popular Ford. There's there's a few of those those around and then we're still a few of those around in two thousand and sixteen when we kind of thought about this idea when we were investigating that one of the things we realized when we were looking at the landscape was that actually. You've got the Money Center. Banks that have the infrastructure and the resources to invest in technology. And you've got the NEO banks and the challenge of banks that are coming through and also really interesting technology and then you had the middle and who is getting squeezed in the middle it was community regional banks and credit unions in the United States Twenty five years ago they had six. They had The Money Citibank said sixteen percent of all deposits in the United States. Now that fifty nine percent. And where's that coming from? It's coming out of the community regional banks and it's going to those money centers in those banks and what's happening is that squeezing competition in the market is giving customers less choices and it's and it's and it's really hurting the industry and that's not a good thing for the country. Fewer those banks every day. There are a few of those banks every day and one of the primary reasons for that. Is The technology gap right? Because those banks and credit unions providing excellent service. They're providing more compelling products right whether or not being able to compete is on the technology side ninety six percent of all technology and community. Regional banks is outsourced. And unfortunately it's outsource all the gully and those players have been around since the sixties seventies and eighties. That's when they'll founded and there have necessarily an incentive to innovate because they've got a captive market and so we saw a really big options to bring the mindset of intact and banking backgrounds to that space and really helping provide a genuine alternative to the core providers and and hopefully help help really reinvigorating continue to grow the industry. Because we think that's a really good thing for the country in consumers and so what exactly is the product you're selling absolutely? We have a number of different products. Probably the one when most known for is our account opening sleep software so we started primarily in consumer accounting because that was an area where we saw a really big need only twenty percent of all banks and credit unions in the United States have account opening online right and obviously we know that the Internet is where the world does business. And so if you can't meet the customer where they are Econ hope to compete or retain those customers particularly for the millennial generation the newest generation. So we're all going to the big banks because that's where they absolutely right like forty. Five percent of millennials identify one of the big four one as their primary banking relationship so the next generation is literally walking out the door and going to those. And they're going to own them for life if community regional banks. They compete so web we could we drive. The biggest value industry really quickly. It was accounting And so today. We're fortunate enough to work with your dozens of institutions across the United States helping them attract customers. We'll continue to customers and with since expanded our product line tool so to business customers as well and you're providing more software as well for for banks right in between the core and the customer. Absolutely so you know what are the. What are the things we needed to? Innovate industry versus potentially existing players was to bring a much newer approach and put them one technology stack on the industry which is sometimes difficult. Some legacy systems everything in our ecosystem is API I So we have an abstraction layer that we can put on top of any core operating system Importantly a code base is is unified. I'm so it's truly enterprise software so one CO base which goes across every single customer whether your bank at four hundred million or a credit union twenty billion you get the same code base for mantle and that means that every Wednesday you get an update from US forty updates last year instead of sort of the paradigm. You might see the industry of one or two ringing lottery updates ear and say what that lets us do is it. Lets US continue to stay extremely relevant and very cutting edge and that's the top of technology that is being used in industries outside of banking And needs to come to banking. How much of a challenge is it to work with the corners Is it a kind of one and done thing or is it a constant Struggle yes so there's no shying away from it. The expertise to into to interact with the core operating system is very unique and we do see a lot of INTEX. And you. Entrance into the market trying to obstruct away from that and not because it's difficult but it's required. It's just required. You can't innovate industry. Without a good understanding the core operating system they are entrenched. They're not going. Anywhere is an amazing alternatives. Right now for banks to switch in credit unions to switch off it and so you need to be able to integrate with him. We we built that capability from day. One so we have team members that built you know across team we've had Each engineers genes is one of the first five Technical highest at various operating systems. Like smicer vice it. Dna and to date. We've done over a dozen different core banking systems successfully. Integrative lives so it's a challenge. It's an area. You have to invest in and understand. It's not the sexiest area of the technology stack for our engineers to work on. But you have to own that and you have to understand that. That's a challenge and you have to be a safe pair hands there in bank customers understand nothing about it which is probably a good thing. Yes exactly yeah. We don't talk too much about strache lehrer. Api set in sort of bank sales conversations but sometimes with the technology effects. They get really excited about what it can do. What's the most important lesson you've learned in your in your brief career so far shore? I think you might career as as opposed to just walk in this industry. I think the thing that I learned my F- way back when using when I started my first company was and I think it serves me well today and mantle as an organization is we often get comfortable leaning on what we liked doing what we know how to end. That often isn't actually the thing you need to do to grow your business or with a client as I like the tangible example of my first company I my background is I. Wouldn't you know my Undergrad? Was in finance. Went to law school when I was an investment banker for a little while after college before I saw the light and became an entrepreneur and when I started my company I spent a Lotta time legal documents and financial models. Because that's what I knew. And that's what I thought was what made a difference in actually makes very little if any difference and what actually makes a difference as getty out in token customers and understanding what to build and solving problems them and bringing solutions and selling and delivering. And if that's the most important thing in the business then that's where you as you know. One of the more important people in the company in his is one of the founders needs to run to and make your own and it might be something that you're uncomfortable doing. Maybe no particularly good at but you need to get comfortable and you need to get good at it and so That was a personal growth thing for me and I think it also says mantle because just like you until we were talking in the last question about the core operating system. That's not something that you know. A normal one full stack engineer is wanting to understand typically wants to work on. But it's the unsexy thing that is not comfortable but it's the thing that makes a really big difference so maslow's an organization that runs towards us so with so many problems to choose from. How do you? How do you choose which problem? You're going tackle tackle next the customers. Tell us right and so we have to stay very close to customers you know. They know their problems best. We need to be good understanding and passing through what they're telling us. We often have individuals. Tell us and this is no fault of their own. Because this is how express it we have banks and credit unions? Come to US WITH THE SOLUTION. Not The problem. So it'd be like it'd be great if you built this right and that's good that's good feedback but even better than that is. I have this problem right. Because of the the solution that they jumped to embeds a whole bunch of assumptions of what is possible but we actually know a whole another set of things as possible and so if we have the underlying problem to start with we start with a blank piece of paper and other people necessarily might not because of just the paradigm the Bainian. And so it's listening. It's a lot of listening. It's a lot of asking leading. Questions is a lot of talk about what's happening now. What are you struggling with? Technology problems with non technology problems. Sometimes the biggest insights gained from conversations that have nothing to do with technology. Because the person doesn't even realize it technology insolvent right. What is the biggest challenge facing mantle? Right now yeah I'd say it's the way. The industry generally thinks about technology. I think for a long time and I certainly feel this in some of my conversations. Certainly sometimes don't that. The INDUSTRY VIEWS TECHNOLOGIES AND EXPENSE. Which makes absolute sense because on the piano you talking to a bank? Cfo It is on the expense lot. Reid it's reported to the FDIC is dot processing. It's an expense. Look how much I spent on this this this correct? That's right next to payroll and rent and utilities expense. It's an expense from an accounting contract. Bought if you think about technology in other industries a lot of the buying decision in technology is talking about it as a capital investment right and it's a lot of institutions look at investing technology. Just like they look investing in a new branch or new division or acquiring. Something I can spend a million dollars technology like it's been a million dollars on headcount I can spend a million dollars acquiring this business. I can spend a million dollars investing in marketing right. It's capital allocation and often the questions we get when people looking to purchase technology is expense questions not investment questions. What do I mean by that? It's going to cost me. How do I minimize the cost versus great? Once it cost me. How do I minimize cost? But also what is the expected return from the technology? Right if I if I go and buy a million dollars technology whether it's with mantle or anybody else how is my business economically going to be better off? Am I gonNA drive five hundred thousand dollars of cost efficiency? Am I going to increase by revenue growth or in this case deposit growth or asset growth or whatever it is an inner banking context? Am I going to increase that by X. percent next year? What is the economic return that I'm going to get all my economic investment and I think the banks understand that concept and opportunity costs and capital investment because they do these sort of calculations all the time with build a new branch of by a competitor or return money to their shareholders but in the Pasta? I haven't thought about technology that way. Because usually the options they have gotten never express or articulate to them. What they're expected returns should be right there at the expected. Return from all the technology that brought in the past and so when we come in and say well his the cost of that technology but he is the results that we would like you. To See or hear the efficiencies you should gain quantified. I think that that changes the paradigm and that movie me industry in that way to US thought Asking vestment questions expense questions I think is the really big thing holding back a lot of institutions from really innovating here and. Do you see a lot of disparity juicy some institutions. That are really looking at this in a more enlightened way exactly right and I would say the the people that are first over the wall and the fos- followers are asking the question. What's what's all the fuss about over here looking at it critically of course because you absolutely should look at it more in that way and I think that those that are potentially in that bucket who are a little bit more wait and see still thinking about it as an expense question. The proof is GonNa be in the pudding if enough institutions. Make these investments in Dr Ray over times which I think the of the world are etc You will see more and more. Do this. The The BB&T merger with Suntrust and the biggest rationale about one of the biggest rationales was taught cost efficiency and the ability to invest more in technology. That was the second one right. Billy do they literally Saudi. Jp Morgan and said they're spending billions of your technology. We need more at eleven billion or something exactly and by the white technology expenses. The fossils growing light on expenses in the industry right is doesn't expense reduction pushing the industry but technologies growing double digit category because banks are realizing that if they don't invest here they're GonNa see attrition in the customer base and so it's very topical right. A lot of banks describe themselves as technology companies. They're they're large fog but their customers of technology right there. Some of the largest buyers of technology across the banking industry is one of the single biggest Buys OF TECHNOLOGY. I mean think about it. It supports over one hundred twenty billion dollars market cap for just technology companies that sell primarily the banks incredible so what does success look like for. Bank fintech partnerships is it that straight up revenue. Like you were saying I think it's we find that the the banks that we think. Think about the best often achieved the best results. Have a numerical goal in mind. And it's more than just a lot of times. We talked to institutions that. I'd like to improve customer experience and absent. Of course absolutely we want to improve the customer experience. But what what is that going to do for the customer? And we'll second do for the institution right. We should be able to measure that. So let's set a goal that's measurable. Let's find what the control is today? Let's make some changes invest and. Let's see what the measurement moves to and what the change in economic outcome is right and that can be. As simple. As net promoter score will survey results it could be called plex. Light deposits raised a man of accounts. You have been new members will customers whatever it happens to be for your institution if we think that every time a bank or credit union is investing in technology. They set a goal. Algae they should then talk to the vendors about how you can help them achieve their goals in the likely expected results and then they should measure the project and the technology against that and what you should be hoping for six months twelve months and the line you looking at the. Kpi's a what we all went into this relationship for right and we should see those result. O- better here's how we've done versus how we've done versus where we wanted to be right. His what we've achieved and guess what that does not only does that mean that internally the bank can show that this investment was successful could show to his it's invested can show it to its itself right. It knows that it's having an impact on its customers but also the next time you're trying to make intelligent investment. You have a track record right. It's a much easier conversation internally right. So what's the largest challenge of working with banks and the banks that the the ones who say no the ones you don't get what are they? What are they telling you? Yeah it's it's usually two things. It's which one of them already spoken about. They think about it as an expense. So it's still an expense minimization. Yeah The second biggest and I think this is structural and the industry will change Just like I think they'll change their thinking on expense versus and I've already started to see it. Expensive as investment is capability inside the bank some institutions and. This is absolutely for their own because they have a needed to be very very successful until now is digital mocking capabilities right right. You wouldn't be surprised if Casper or away or other great direct to consumer brands that we have here in New York have excellent digital marketing capabilities and a comedian regional bag that maybe has twenty branches and has operated in twelve counties and hasn't done anything online. You wouldn't be surprised that they don't have these robotic Edison. That makes sense because it didn't need it. But in the new world they will write with they use mantle or anybody else with they With quite custom is online or not. You need to be there and you need to have that capability. And so that's just one of a number of different capabilities. That banks and credit unions will need to build as the industry. Changes Technology comes a bigger and bigger part of it. If you WANNA BE Technology Company you need. You need to let people know that you're at well it's not it's just it's not just. Hari technology stuff right. It's it's it changes the nature of operations. It changes the nature of compliance. It changes the nature marketing as well. Right yeah so so. Do you often advise people look. You're building this thing. But no one's going to know about it. No no you so you have a great account opening software or exist how will how are People GonNa know shore or are they thinking about? It are the their marketing people thinking about on this list. Picky about it I mean. Don't get me wrong. These individuals very self aware and they understand the challenges. There they understand how they make money lose money. They understand the challenges of technology Just on different places on the COF- adoption right and I don't think I ever really gonNA conversation and they'll in somebody says to be you know we have the skills to do this. But it's obvious that they don't that's not usually it's usually like you know we want to do this but we also know we have to change the improve the skillset. Ad- addict tease Additional training etc. We only need to love. This is a new capability for the institution right like I said. Only twenty percent by Credit Union in America have online account opening so that means eighty percent of them have no existing capability. There right they have to learn it right in some form in. So it's not it's not particularly revolutionary to think that that that's going to need to happen and that's not a two week process hiring people who and I know this Ramon Company catalyst you guys. Fischl see this. Is You know that takes time. Yeah are you seeing a lot of outsourced? It at these at the banks. You're talking to. We are seeing that more and more and actually I was in an interesting regulatory conversation. Recently with the Fed regulator and particularly talking to smaller banks and credit unions situations with obviously increasing regulation which is also very topical in the industry. One of the things that the examiner said is you know. Cybersecurity is a big risk. And one of the bank is Short. He's an icon in particular roosting ICON. Giving get really good cio with security expertise to apply to work at mine solution right and there might be a four hundred million dollar bank in a potentially rural community. It's it's difficult and the regulators said. I hear that a hundred percent and I have no objection to five of getting together and getting a fifth of out so cio interesting right. And so. I think you're GonNa see that more and more particularly at the lower asset level where it just. It's just so burdensome. Sounds more like a credit union thing just on the face of it. They're they're a little bit more about the sharing sharing resources. But you know that's that I heard a regulators say to a group of banks. The banks will not even saying. That's a very practical approach to this. Because you're right like this expertise needs to happen. It needs to happen from a growth perspective with something like mantle but are also needs to happen from a security perspective from an Infosec perspective Mesaba security perspective. These banks need to to have that expertise or somebody who call on. So I'm definitely seeing it outsource more and more. I'm also seeing digital marketing. Outsourced also think that that is is is one of the better ways for bank to learn to start with right Have somebody come in do for a little while to get going but oh set while they doing the training the talent that you have internally yeah right it's not to say that somebody that's in marketing or it is an expert of the core banking systems an expedited outdoor advertising cannot learn digital. They absolutely can. They just need some time to get the cover on it right and so we're seeing that a lot. Yeah it does seem like you're you're giving something up outside your walls and I think a lot of these guys I can understand the reluctant so I guess too I for a lot of people to outsource in that sense. Absolutely but yeah the challenges. You can't have everything inside your walls. What new technology are you most excited about? What are you? What are you keeping your eye on that you think is going to have a positive impact in banking Yup. So I'm a little different in that. I don't necessarily think you know I'm not going to sit here. And say you know blockchain's GonNa Change everything or anything like that. Although I do think it's an interesting thought. Experiment if the. Us dollar was on a blockchain. Ray China's going to do that right China's pudding and I think that's the bull case for for blockchain technologies because it would avoid it would then have puffy taxation and no money laundering because the Federal Reserve could see everydollar moved in the in the economy right But I think that the two things that I look at it and I think a really interesting over the next twenty four months which I think is a little bit more actionable these. Everybody's talking about payments payments getting foster the flipside of payments getting foster and community regional banks. Don't have his capability today. The big is starting to Israel time transaction monitoring if you increase the velocity of payments you need to increase the velocity of the checks. You're doing on this payments right now. The big AML providers that are feeding a lot of these laws and things like that all the regulatory mccombs from perspective a batch and so banks finding out about transactions twenty four forty eight hours after their initiated. When they're already out and Ethan and that's a Cape tential potentially in a in a World War Two three days to settle but that is absolute death from a risk perspective and a compliance perspective in real time. Well and so I think a lot of attention goes to the real time payments and not enough attention to time transaction monitoring. It's an area that we've been working on With a with a a a great friend and partner of outscored alloy here. And you'll fintech great company. Great Company at Tommy Charles and Laura wholesome and I think that that's something that's going to be really interesting and then kind of the flip side and I think you know institution go out with real time and don't have that other piece you know again. Unfortunately get hurt. I think the other thing. And that's and that's now you can do that today right now in you could have done that last year but it would cost in a leg in the big guys could afford it that construction starting to come down and I think it's going to go mainstream as we'll time payments mainstream so it's interesting. The second thing I'd say is that the industry generally has had has made huge leaps and bounds on the consumer side in terms of automation and customer experience. And you'll seeing that with a lot of the NEO banks coming through the money chase just did a new version of mobile APP. Wells Fargo's investing Quite significantly now and the customer experience between now and ten years ago the Mobile App the digital experiences are night and day that ramp or that change has not been fully reflected on the business side on Commercial. And whether it's small business all the way up to fortune five hundred's and anywhere in the middle even amid markets right and these are some of your most important customers absolutely terrible is these are the most profitable customers of. Banco credit right and the technology is coming and is here to do that. And you'll start to see a lot of the Challenger banks and then you a challenge. Your banks move into the commercial side hyper grasshopper. Brex is coming in. You'll ramp that I'd keep an eye on and there's others and I think you're going to start. Seeing technology vendors. Come TO BANKS WITH WITH READY TO MOCK IT ready to go pieces of technology on the business side and on the commercial side of this get a vastly improve the customer experience and provide some automation that right now. It doesn't exist in the industry that's going to drastically changed the cost structure of running supporting a commercial bank. And I think that in the next twenty four months is going to be trained as well. I remember talking to one of the cores. I won't say which one and they were saying no we. We have no kind of out of the box off the shelf. Product for a small businesses like zero. It's incredibly incredibly difficult. The regulations of burdensome the document requirements most significant and today in a normal bank. It's paper right and I can take anywhere from forty five minutes for a single member. Llc in a chase branch up to four hours four days for weeks we'll complicated entities when you're coming in and you're running a real estate business you have seventeen. Different buildings may be four hundred. Different tenant accounts where you've got escrow that's a really complicated business to onboard for bank and that takes weeks months right right and that's GonNa come down in days or the next twenty four months interesting and so. I think that that is. That's going to be really big. It's not particularly sexy. It's not a consumer facing real time payments of blockchain but I think from a sort of a brick and mortar trucial bank perspective. I think that they'll look at that and say wow. That's that's really moved the needle for us right. If your experience you help your important customers have a better experience variety of differentiator correct. If the guy down the street doesn't have the correct What is your ideal customer? What what size is your sweet spot. Or WHO's your perfect customer shore today smallest institution is about four hundred million in assets And we go up to about fifty billion today. I yeah grange and we have a thousand banks and credit unions inside that space in the in the United States today And we have people all across that spectrum On a median basis. That gets them right around five billion so pretty substantial and then cut up within that range as I said at the start you know we. We not really interested in doing work for J. P. Will Wells Fargo and money center banks. I think that they're you know they have their own teams in their investing quite significantly. And that's great and I think they're doing some really interesting things leading way so we are really really focused. Laser focus on community and regional banks in that AD market And we think that there's a real offshoot for them to compete. So we're really looking for anyone in that space that that wants to do something different and really try to make a step change in their capabilities and last question. Where do you community banks and credit unions ten years from now? Obviously it's a challenging environment right now. But how do you see things Developing in the in the next decade. Yep Look I see what everybody else sees which is consolidation. That's what you see every day every week if you read American banker that's what you see in the you know the coal reports within consolidation. Interestingly enough the number of banks and credit unions below a billion is falling but between one and ten is increasing and due to consolidation judicial solid session of the of that kind of bottom Kotaro so to speak. And then there's interesting called lessons right below ten billion because of the regulatory jump. It's like ten in the miss. You WanNa be twenty. You see seeing a lot of people jump there. So I think that there's going to be more consolidation. I just don't see how that that reverses itself Unless is changing consumer behavior which. I'm not I'm not forecasting. I think that banks and credit unions. We'll be able to replicate the technology advantage that Nair banks and money center banks have over time. I think the industry is ripe for disruption. It's an oligopoly. It's you know it's the technology's been around for a long time Vendors like myself and others. I'm sure that are looking at this problem. In thinking he can be solved So I think that there's GonNa be a huge efficiency gain from technology in the sector at in that in that segment. I think that that will lower the cost structure for those entities and allow them to compete more against economies of scale. The big guys you know beyond that I think that is likely to be a reskilling of industry in some portion around the technology and I think the adapted evolve. I don't think he goes away. I think it's healthy for the country and I think it's healthy for consumers and it's the stated and you know a lot of people who realizes but it's actually the stated goal of the regulator foster swollen community regional banks because what it does is competition. I'm originally from Stralia and in Australia. We have full big banks and they own. I think three quarters of the Banke market in Australia. And it's one of the most expensive banking markets in the entire woefully consumers. America is has significantly more competition and on things like equity mortgages that really matters and so for the health of the economy we need community regional banks. Still exist thrive right. They built all the wealth of the of the country. Yeah and a lot of places that those big banks don't WanNa go right and and it's really really important and nothing very topical And I think it's super important structure economy rise. Thank you so much pleasure talking to you. Thank you so much. Thank you for listening to Bank fintech fusion. And if you enjoy the PODCAST. Please subscribe on Apple podcasts. Or wherever you listen to your favorite podcasts by.
"And welcome to punch path. This is your host. Jared Blumenfeld this week. We talk cells. No not prison cells or quarantine cells but this stuff that all living things made from sells the smallest unit of life. Humans are made up of about seventy trillion cells. It's a mind blowing number. Which gets even more fantastical because more than half of those seventy trillion cells. Not actually part of the human body. Microbes are actually very much less human than we'd like to admit what does it mean to be human given that we less than half human microbes play a critical role in keeping US healthy by protecting us from pathogens. By boosting the immune system microbes can actually protect us from older immune diseases they detoxify bodies and may even fight off stress and play a critical role in keeping babies healthy. It turns out that microbes also play a pivotal rolling keeping the earth's soil healthy which in turn can provide huge environmental benefits like absorbing carbon storing water in producing food. That has the microbes. We need to be strong this week. We talked to Dr Rubin Maria. Has you'll discover rupa is no average doctor. She's a forceful social. Justice advocate a world renowned musician and urban farm. A mother of two incredible kids and associate professor of medicine AT UCSF. Who's investigating how soil health is connected to people's health? Here's have banned Rupa. And the April fishes performing maricon apply of course through the speaks and sings fluent French. Also that you see Bali Esa to down San Francisco. Where are we right now? We are in the territory of WHO Chin now known as Oakland California. We are on a little urban farm. I mean it's incredible. You go into what looks like a normal house and then behind you. You've got all kinds of fruit trees. How did that happen? Just out of sheer will and the generosity of our neighbors so when we moved in the first thing we did is we started digging swailes and our land to help trap the water to sink the water because we knew we wanted to do planting here of food and when we were out there with our shovels our next door neighbors said you guys look like you need more land. What are you doing so what we wanted to farm this land? They're like why don't you take down this fence and use our land? We haven't used it in twenty years so we said okay. Let's do that so we had a great party of taking down the fence with about twenty five good friends and our neighbors. And then we've been just slowly mapping out what we want to do but the stage will be done by next month and then we'll start a whole summer concert series so that children and families and people can listen to acoustic music and children can enjoy the the real artistry of music and how it works with bringing people together around food and good company. So you're this amazing combination of different things that we'll talk about the music in a minute but professionally. You are a doctor. Tell us a little bit about how that evolution happened. I've always been really passionate about understanding life from all angles from a biological perspective from a chemical perspective. I'm a microbiological perspective and a molecular biological perspective and a social perspective that I'm interested in tiniest invisible things to the largest invisible things that all impact how we live and how we are healthy and thrive thriving is really the space to be in and for me. That's when you've got joy in music and your friends and community and people being uplifted and so that's really where I see people's joy coming out and so when you don't see that what. What are we looking at? And how can we help? Communities Thrive how did you think about pursuing a career in medicine was in that context? What was it different? I think it started with being the daughter of Indian immigrants so my family. They're Punjabi and that you know you either here that you're going to be a doctor or an engineer growing up and so what? I started to express a passion for life sciences. My family was like Oh Great. Should be a doctor and so that was always like in my consciousness as a young person that. Oh of course I love science so I would be a doctor but as I grew I was just so in love with art and how art brought people together brings people together and and creates this space of imagination Where we can engage what we wished to see and then manifest it and so that power of manifestation was also very interesting to me and so I. I live this double life for a lot of my life in college. Double majored in theater and molecular biology at UC San Diego and then took a year off before medical school and came to San Francisco Guitar and learn how to write songs and my songs were terrible. When I first started but I was just so needing to express myself or they Abou- God I don't even know I did I love and getting burned in love. You know there was one song I wrote trying to articulate what justice means to me and What I wished to see into speak of injustice. I can look at those songs now as like you. I look at it. A child's drawings you know. Look back at your old diaries and you cringe a little. But there's also a tender Look at me I was trying you know and I I see that as a really bold courageous thing is to simply try to use your voice and so for me going through that training in medical school music was always my solace. It was the place I came back to was regenerated in my own humanity and as I through then medical education so my father unexpectedly died in the last year at my medical school in two thousand and one I was at Georgetown in DC. And this whole time. I've been like an artist at my doctor and an artist and I have a doctor and I was so tense about who I was and I think that most people in their early to mid twenties can understand that angst of like who the Hell Am I. And how am I going to make my way and and find a way to express my passions in this world and that was a real active conundrum for me because I had these passions that seemed so disparate at first and it was when my father died that I felt this like Aha moment that I couldn't just waffle like this my whole life that I had to be bold and because I could die I could just just see the F- The finite -ness of life and the absolute imperative to live in accordance with your dreams when you witness death like that and as a medical student I was witnessing death and then when my own father died it was like a whole wakeup call so I started my first year of internship at UCSF. And I walked into the program director's office. And I said listen. I can't do this fulltime. I have to do this fifty fifty because I will be a terrible doctor if I'm not an artist and a terrible artist if I'm not a doctor and I have no idea how to make this work and he said I can't advise you to do because I have no idea what kind of careering have because like. Maybe no one will hire you but you can do it. So what did you do? So I ended up doing a three year residency over five years. And it was the most prolific time in my life because I finally saw the path and so I'll be working my tail off at the hospital. Ucsf this was right before they started limiting resident work hours so it was like a million hours a week in the hospital and then for two months straight and then I turned my pager. In two months I'd have completely off and then went like that for several years and I wish that for every medical training person because it allowed me to digest what I just seen to love it as I was going through it. Instead of just feeling demoralized by it and to really deeply hear the stories that my patients and to listen. And it's interesting because when I did go into that program director's office. I ended up taking a year away. I'm like I need to go with my family and just process my father's death and then when I came back I did this part time medicine thing and in that year off. I went to Maine to study documentary radio because I wanted to learn how to listen to people's stories and how to really listen as a doctor and I wanted to learn how to tell stories through sound and so I had an amazing time. Do that and it was great to learn something that was tangential to medicine which. I feel like anything that is examining the human condition is tangential to medicine. Because you're looking at what makes us sick. And what makes us well? And you can apply that to what you do in your clinical care. And so then I finish residency and they invited me to come on full-time in this capacity and so for about ten years I was touring around the world with his band. I love the name of the band. Rupa and the April fishes. We've been to twenty nine different countries we've Sung on like tiny small little stages and massive stages and it's been one of the most exciting things in my life to be able to use music as a tool to travel to spaces where I can see the impact of society on health and that is really where I feel. The deep integration in my work between medicine music has come has led to me now where I am right now which is weaving. These things is tightly together as I can like understanding that environmental health. And how you know we look at these health disparities between white black and Brown people in the United States and we have to look at police violence and we have to look at housing and we have to look at you. Know Pesticide. Use and access to healthy organic foods. You have to look at all these things an economics. If you'RE GONNA look at health disparities on you have to look at medicine and how racist medicine has been as a practice. So there's all these layers and things that have really fascinated me That go into my music in the come out and then go into my work one working closely with different community groups. So it's a really exciting time right now. It's good to be forty five years old good to be living on the planet right now. Yes yes this is an exciting time to be alive. I feel that way I do too. I mean sometimes there's a distance with what's actually happening in what we read about still an incredibly exciting time so one of the things that we talked about the other than music and that incredible connection that you have between music and medicine is what is in the soil Watson our guts kind of tell us about what role microbes play and and how we should think about microbes in our life newly started researching this work because at the invitation of my dear friend and now co author Raj Patel. Suraj asked me to write a book with him after he heard me. Give a talk about my work. Giving medical care at standing rock during the protest camps and when people were protesting a pipeline going through their drinking water. The LAKOTA Nicole Dakota people and Suraj says. Let's write a book together about the health impacts of colonialism and I thought that was a brilliant idea. The diseases that affect us in modern society are all diseases of inflammation. So if we look at heart disease. Alzheimer's Autoimmune Disease Cancer Diabetes Depression Obesity. Asthma all of these diseases inflammatory bowel disease. These are all diseases. Where inflammation plays a central role. The immune system has gone off kilter. We're in a moment in history where the earth is inflamed so the temperature is heating up. And so what is happening to our planet is really mirroring. What is going wrong with our bodies in modern industrialized societies? And if you look at indigenous people who are still living the ways that they have for over ten thousand years or even people who were recently colonized such as the Irish travellers which were a group of nomadic people in Ireland who were forced into settled housing in the last twenty years. You'll see that those people don't have those diseases. Those people don't have heart disease. They don't have cancer. They don't have diabetes. The way that we do diabetes. You know it's an epidemic. All over the world right they're skyrocketing as well as obesity and the way that we frame these things is that it's simply a lifestyle diseases if like you're just making really bad choices that billions of people aren't making bad choices. There's something about the structure and systems of our societies that have been brought forth through colonialism and brought forth through the globalization of extractive capitalist projects that have put us in a situation where our bodies are expressing this kind of inflammatory state. And so I was starting to look at this question. Both on the social and on the physical level the clinical level and then on the microbial level. How did you come to this discovery? That diseases caused by inflammation one prevalent in those communities. Like how? How did that moment come? Well it's been a slow. Aha moment when I started to realize like wow. Is there a colonized syndrome? Wire people in India's bodies looking like people in Ireland and why are people in the United States bodies looking like people in South America but then when you look at these native people they just don't have these problems what is it about colonialism? That's driving these differences has just been something. I've started to pay attention to and then in my work more in solidarity with indigenous people really starting to deeply explore so when I was done with my service at standing rock. Some of the LAKOTA health people asked me to help them develop a clinic to decolonize medicine and for me that has been one of the biggest most exciting opportunities. I've had in my medical career because it is really allowing me to unpack what that means. How medicine has been a colonial enterprise and how we can decolonize it and what that looks like. Not just for indigenous people actually but for all of us who are suffering from these diseases inflammation. When I was at standing rock. I met an elder candidates. Do Show No. She's Aglow Lakota. Amazing woman who said point blank all these diseases that we have now. This cancer these diabetes. We never had these diseases. These are diseases of colonization. And it's hard to argue with that when you look at the studies of the remains of indigenous people that were pre invasion from Europeans. Here on Turtle Island. You'll see that those bodies weren't impacted by these same diseases. And so how is it that indigenous people are living? That is different from how we're living in such a way that these diseases of inflammation are not manifesting and for that answer. I believe the key is in the microbes. The Human Gut microbiome is this amazing collection of cells that are even in us when we are in fetal development in our mothers bodies so we think of the fetus in the uterus is being sterile place but it's actually not there are microbes that are already there when a baby is born. They are inoculated with their mothers microbes. And then they get microbes throughout their life from other sources from their environment and from what they eat and what they're around and so. These microbes are responsible for everything from the development of our immune system they turn on genes and turn often inside our bodies. They are responsible for our brain development. They are responsible for keeping US. Feeling healthy and happy. They are responsible for keeping our bodies out of inflammation. And so. What's so interesting about this? Is that there are I. Think ninety percent of our cells that are on our body in in our body are not ourselves so we are more not us than we are us and I just think of this idea because it so challenging to our concepts of identity that actually to be most healthy us. We have to expand our concept to understand that we are entire communities of these millions and billions of cells. Living with US I think the entire human genome has about thirty thousand genes and the GUT microbiome so that organisms that live in our gut that are vital for our health they have over eight million genes so just orders of magnitude so much more genetic information and it's not all of those organisms are active all the time but when they are active crucial ones are totally necessary for us being healthy. And how did we evolve with them? I mean how did that happen? Well I think microbes had been here that the single most successful living organism on planet earth. Because the been here the longest and they're everywhere they're ubiquitous and so we kind of evolved into their environment and so we got covered with them and they work in these fascinating ways and when we don't have them working correctly what we get is inflammation and so what you can see in the guts of people who are have a very biodiverse microbiome there. Certain organisms will break down food substances and again. They're eating bio-diverse foods. Those people L. Those microorganisms will create in their gut. These short chain fatty acids that get absorbed into the body in those short chain. Fatty acids have this magical anti inflammatory quality on the human immune system so when we don't have that biodiversity and our gut and that happens through eating food grown on pesticide laden crops or eating processed foods or not eating biodiverse foods when we have very apostasy of microbiology in our gut. We GET INFLAMMATION. We get unmitigated inflammation so the first and last defense against inflammation are these microbes and so anything that we can do to increase the biodiversity of what we're eating around and the exposure in our lives is going to improve that. Biodiversity is Rupa and the April fishes performing growing up with a a we think of ourselves as distinct from the rest of nature and exceptional as species and yet these discoveries about the microbes in our gut. And that really. They were there before us. And we're living in their world has does that make you think about a place on the planet. I ascribed to more of a framework of US actually being a part of nature and integrated into. I don't see there being like a nature and then I see there being life and we are in harmony with life and cultures have evolved out of European standards of cleanliness of isolation small family sizes. And then the chemical assault of our food systems and the hyper processing of foods. These are all contracts that come from and are driven by a economic system that was exported worldwide by Europe. What the microbiome research is showing us is actually that these indigenous perspectives that we actually are one with nature and that we are multitudes And so I think that that concept that to have some humility in in what we don't know and understand and that when we are keeping vitality and bio-diversity around us it ends up entering and becoming US and in that we thrive and so that's really feel like an exciting thing to learn right now from a Western scientific perspective because it it shows where we've gone off course which is exactly how we've gone off course with our handling the planet and so our environmental movement is deeply a movement for our own health and our own health movement is a deeply movement for the environment. Those two things are going hand in hand when you start talking about microbes. The lack of health for the planet is of European frame focused on humans being better than other species. Yes and it's not now just European. It's all over the world. Look at my own sad motherland of India right now. So you're having a very similar technocratic. Humans are the best not only humans but Hindu humans are the best So when you start getting nationalism and exclusion and these very damaging worldviews that create these false narratives that actually are ultimately wounding to our condition as a species and the condition of all all beings. Here I feel like this is really a time where the science is resonating with the indigenous perspectives. That have been around for fifty thousand years longer. Those perspectives are the ones that can really help lead us through this tight spot where we are right now so if we care about our own health which for me is the most important frame when it comes to the environment because there's only so many commercials you can see about. Solar panels or electric vehicles are energy efficiency. All about what's motivating to me and to most people is Health. And so how are you thinking about the microbes in our and how that relates to what we should be doing in agriculture in our lives? What's the next step? So I married a farmer and so I was working in the hospital and watching all these people come in from the Central Valley with bleeding inflamed guts and then young people dying of the most aggressive forms of colon cancer. I've ever seen I'm like what the Hell is going on. And in these patients who are coming in with inflammatory bowel disease with these inflamed. Coghlan's you'd have to go to surgery and we cultured their stool. It would read out. A paucity of micro bacteria to very few microbes. Someone like Oh. That's interesting why I keep seeing this. So then I was sitting next to my husband and looking at his soil microbiology data one day and seeing that Oh soil. That's been a you know when you apply. Roundup Roundup is an antibiotic. It's they've actually patented as an anti biotic so we're basically antibiotics thing our soil just like when you get antibiotics from the doctor. The microbes in your whole community gets killed or disrupted and so you don't have that beautiful balance at thriving balance and biodiversity that enhances your health and so you have to build that back up again and so what you can do. The exciting thing is like these things actually are reversible And not over like one hundred years. But if we focused our attention they're rapidly reversible and so that's when I started to look at the soil into think okay. What is going on in the soil. Why does this soil of an abused? I call it chemically abused soil What does that look like the soil of my Crohn's disease patient or my ulcerative colitis patient. And what's actually going on here and I think that's where my artist mind started imagining like. Is there something? Is there some communication? And that's actually what we're studying right now. We're working with communities to see if you give access to soil and farm in a regenerative manner that will build up the soil biodiversity. What happens to human health? What happens to the gut? What happens to inflammation and so that is a question that were under like examining right now when you have an inflamed gut you leach nutrients so when you look at these ulcerative. Colitis patients Crohn's disease patients with inflamed Coghlan's. They are leaking nutrients and blood out of their colons. They can't hold onto it because the translation of unlocking the nutrients from food to enter. Bloodstream is happening through these microbes. We can't get nourished without them in inflamed soil. You have the same thing. So when the soil is not bio-diverse your leaching nutrients. You can't hold water. You can't sink carbon into the ground and hold it there and in your plants don't thrive and so the solution from industrial the industrial chemical approach is to just give more inputs give more chemicals force the plant into health by giving exactly the micronutrient it might need instead of starting the soil and going well if I recreate the vitality of the soil. Then you have plants that are more pest resistant so then you don't have to apply pesticides because they can actually fight it themselves. Then you have plants that are getting nutrients from the soil so just like the microbes in our gut unlocked the nutrients for our food translated into our blood the microbes in the soil and around the plant. So the plant has its own microbiome. They unlock the micro nutrients in the soil and turn inorganic nutrients into organic. Like lock it into life. That's a vital role in. It's not happening right now in most of the agriculture here in California so if you look at a carrot that's grown in dead soil versus the carrot grown in healthy alive soil. What's the microbial balance of those two carats? Well here's the thing if we start eating food grown in biodiverse soil as a state. Let's say here in California if it if it were not like a classic thing where only you know. Wealthy white people can have the biodiverse carrot and everyone else gets the like chemically of like abused carrot or the sterile carrot. I think that it would be an amazing thing to see if everyone just had access to healthy food that had healthy microbes on it and and see what happens to our bodies just like the tobacco ban like we had no idea how much of an impact it would have to say. You can't smoke in public and we did that. And the rates of fatal heart attacks and strokes strokes dropped by up to twenty percent. And we're still saving money from that and so we won't know until we try it. What's interesting about our approach in this world in? This capitalists construct is that industries are determining public health. So why do we have fluoride in our water will? The floride is a waste product from the chemical companies who are creating pesticides. So it's like what do we do all this for it? Well let's just put it in. The water will be good for the water and in fact having Florida in our water does prevent dental caries dental cavities but if we didn't have the onslaught of sugar in almost every food we eat so if you look at high fructose Corn Syrup and the amount of sugars that are in our food then we wouldn't be having this problem if you create both the disease and the cure. Then you're making a profit on both sides. Who suffering are the people? It's ridiculous when you think about it but then it's tragic when you see the patients and that's where I feel very passionately motivated to re describe our goals as a society of prosperity based on our health because people are suffering needlessly. I think people are dying and I've just gotten tired of watching them die in the hospital. And so that's why like my scientific inquiry has now moved into the realm of like. Let's let's do something about this. Not only is it good for the people. It's good for the planet because we now know that soil that's more rich in microbes sinks more co two and holds it into the ground so California were sitting on forty three million acres of agricultural land. What if we could incentivize and support? Our farmers not through subsidies given to industry but subsidies actually given to these amazing family farmers we have seventy seven thousand farmers give them the financial security in a major transition and give them the support they need and uplift them as the real stewards of our health because the stewards of our primary resource of Health. Which is our soil. You go to the six year old in one year old. So how like you care about their health as a mom and a doctor as someone who's understanding the level of complexity of all these relationship. How are you raising them well? They don't eat fast food. We don't eat much processed food in our home We Cook almost all of our meals. my husband's a farmer so we grow a lot of our food. We grow food through regenerative practices. So we're always working on soil health and we don't do much sugar in our house. We do you know. Sometimes that we don't do much processed food and so maybe they'll grow up hating me for that are you know it. Sounds like they're going to grow. I mean they they love the community there around so for them. It's not just eating this food in isolation it's food with friends and food with community and food with purpose food with joy and food with beauty and food with music and so those are the things that you know we do with our family. And that's the thing that breaks my hardest to think that you know. These kids are facing the climate the climate crisis. And so. They're gonNA look at me and be like. What did you do when you know you had a chance to do something? And so. That's really something that motivates me at this particular moment in my life. And how's your music changed through this realization? Like as you've evolved in your medical practice in these things kind of came in and out of connection to each other like where's your music who So my music has evolved to light. It went from being just trying to really understand the joy of life in the midst of my father's death To really now trying to grapple with these issues and take them on like directly after having been at standing rock and witnessed the violence of colonialism firsthand patching up the bodies that were being brutalized by the police by the state by the hired mercenaries. I felt the need to communicate a lot more clearly. There was a grandmother there who asked me to write a song helping a kid who's vomiting of blood after being shot at close range by one of these rubber grenades from the police she said. Hey Dr I heard you're a musician. Yes what does that have to do with what's happening right? Now she's lead. You need to write a song and she so you need to write a song for one. We're taking a beating on the front line to give us courage and so on our latest album. There's a song called frontline. And that's an honor of all those amazing indigenous people who actually been fighting climate change for five hundred years. Is The song frontline from Rupa? And the April fishes pipeline bottomline up Grenadian granny standing on the roof. Up Toki of colonization. Like how has the bay area? San Francisco Bay area changed as a result of of Western colonization. When they arrived it was so biodiverse. There was like a highway of Tooley Elk. Going up and down. There were grizzly. Bear there were giant salmon coming through this phosphorus pump from the ocean into the inland California. All of those things are gone now and I think about like how the Yoku people evolved within their landscape in a harmony for ten thousand years. The water has been poisoned. The air is polluted. The grizzly is gone. The sammons almost totally decimated Tuli elks. Gone and so you've lost this in that bio-diversity that's gone. You've lost the microbial diversity and that was that there an engine of life that was driving in supporting the biodiversity here now. It's being falsely propped up by the inputs of the fossil fuel industry through these chemicals. So how do we recreate that vast biodiversity in a way that's life enhancing and and job enhancing for people here in California if there's anyone who has the ability to weave together all the complex strands necessary to develop that vision? I'm sure it's Rupa a huge. Thank you to Dr Rupa. Mario inviting us to of and farm sanctuary today in life with so often told that we have to choose between the left and right sides of our brain that it's impossible to be autistic and analytical at the same time Rupe has path and determination shows how an integrated life where. We all know the gifts that we've been given can connect us to abroad. A Universe a universe in which what it means to be human is evolving by the second the microbes that live in us me. We have more in common with the soil than we could ever have imagined and that changes the stakes are health is now inextricably linked to that of the soil. Thank you so much for being part of the Earth Journey from Taya Podgy path through sound engineer. Rob Speight executive producer. David Kahn in for me. Jared Blumenfeld I hope he's been sometime this week. Getting to know your gut.
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"From new york that is democracy now. Our country is going hungry and the week before thanksgiving and the senate broke. I don't care what party you are. It is an abandonment of responsibilities with some fifty. Four million americans going hungry food lines. Stretching for miles are seen across the country. we'll speak to raj patel author of stuffed and starved the hidden battle for the world's food system then a betting pool. That's what managers at tyson for. Slaughterhouse setup to bet on how many workers would get cove it. Six workers died at the iowa. Plant more than a thousand were infected. Finally twenty twenty has become the deadliest year on record for transgender and gender non conforming. People we'll speak to tori cooper of human rights campaign has made it just an incredibly toxic soup violence in all of these different things. Trans lives being devoured. All that and more coming welcome to democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report. I'm amy goodman. The trump administration's cleared the way for president elect joe biden's transition after sixteen days of delay that threatened to derail the incoming administrations preparations for reviving the economy. And battling the coronavirus. Pandemic emily murphy. The trump appointed head of the general services administration had refused to declare. Joe biden the apparent. Victor of the november third election despite overwhelming evidence. Murphy finally made that determination. Monday as house. Democrats demanded she appear on capitol hill and president trump tweeted his support for her trump did not concede his election loss but tweeted. He would allow the transition to begin quote in the best interest of our country. The move will free up more than seven million dollars in funding for biden's transition team which will now receive office space in government briefings on monday. Michigan's board of state canvassers certify. Joe biden win by a margin of more than one hundred fifty. Four thousand votes also. Monday more than one hundred sixty corporate ceos wrote to trump urging. He begin the transition. The letter was organized in part by the new york. State attorney general letitia. James wrote in a separate statement quote without the rule of law and an orderly transfer of power. Everything from commerce to healthcare delivery to national security is in peril and our business leaders can that as clearly as the rest of us. She said president-elect biden's cabinet is beginning to take shape former federal reserve chair. Janet yellen is expected to be nominated as treasury secretary. She would become the first woman to hold the post as will ever. Oh hanes biden. Pick to be. The director of national intelligence. Hanes is a former deputy director of the cia. Who played a key. Role and obama's drone wars cheese also been criticized for her role. Absolving the cia officers who hacked into senate intelligence committee computers in an attempt to thwart and undermine the senate's torture probe biden has named alejandro a cuban immigrant to head the department of homeland security. He'll become the first lot next and first immigrant to hold the post. While working in the obama administration my arcus helped develop and implement the daca program. That's deferred action. For childhood arrivals biden has also former secretary of state john kerry to be a special envoy on climate a newly formed position carry helped negotiate the paris climate accord. He will sit on the national security council so meanwhile biden's facing pressure from progressives not to select former chicago mayor rahm emanuel to a cabinet post on new york democratic congress member alexandria ocasio. Cortez tweeted quote or manual. Hope cover up. The murder of la mcdonnell covering up a murder is disqualifying public leadership at shameful and concerning. He's even being considered. she said. the united states recorded nearly one hundred eighty thousand new corona virus infections monday over a thousand deaths with forty five states reporting an increase in week over week cases. The us broke its record for hospitalizations for the fourteenth consecutive day with nearly eighty six thousand covid nineteen patients hospitalized coast to coast medical workers around the. Us are growing increasingly exhausted as hospitals. Fill to capacity and supplies of personal protective equipment. Run dry jane. Ross president of national nurses united spoken a conference call monday nearly one year into this pandemic. Our hospitals are knowingly. Still not prepared. Our latest survey of nurses showed that more than eighty percent of hospitals have done no surge capacity planning and the trump administration has explicitly stated. It is not even trying to contain the virus to see our full interview with jean. Ross you can go to democracy now dot org hospitals are warning of an even more dire situation ahead with millions of americans ignoring the centers for disease. Control's recommendation against traveling for thanksgiving on monday. The transportation security administration said over three million people travel by air over the weekend. The busiest three day period since last march in california governor gavin newsom and his family have gone into quarantine after his children were exposed to a member of the highway patrol. Who contracted the coronavirus governor. Newsom also apologized. Monday after photos emerge of him flouting his own corona virus guidelines while attending a dinner party at an exclusive french restaurant napa november six newsomlos photograph wearing no mask and in tight cluster of people that included the chief executive of the california medical association. And the group's top lobbyist. I made a mistake being with few extra people beyond the guidelines that i've been promoting which is outside the households. That was a mistake. And let my guard down. And i apologize for. Meanwhile the number of covid nineteen cases. Among members of president trump's inner circle continues to rise donald trump junior announced friday tested positive for coronavirus the previous monday. Don jr. was among some two hundred fifty people packed the room of the white house election night. Almost none of them wearing masks ben carson. The secretary of housing and urban development said friday. he'd been desperately ill with covid nineteen but was recovering. Dr carson said. His condition improved. Walter reed medical center. After president trump intervened on his behalf carson wrote on facebook quote. President trump was following my condition and cleared me for the monoclonal antibody therapy that he had previously received which i'm convinced saved my life. Dr carson is just one of a handful of people able to access regeneron therapeutic before the fda granted the drug emergency use authorization last saturday. The treatment continues to remain in short supply with regina saying we'll ship doses for eighty thousand patients by the end of november in hong kong pro democracy activists joshua wong in fellow campaigners faith up to three years in prison after pleading guilty to charges related to inciting and organizing a massive protest last year against a proposed extradition bill with china opposition to the bill triggered months of ongoing protests across hong kong. This is joshua wong speaking to the press monday. I'm that neither person boss. Not election bands nor any other arbitrary. Power will stop us from activism. What we are doing now is to explain the of freedom to the world in somalia. at least four people are dead. after tropical cyclone gotti made landfall sunday. The storm was poised to drop two years worth of rain in two days. It's the strongest tropical cyclone ever recorded in the northern indian ocean to hit somalia it rapidly intensified as it approached eastern africa. This comes the scientists say this is happening more frequently. Storms are given a boost by the rising ocean temperatures fuelled by the climate crisis. New details have emerged about why. Us prosecutors dropped narcotrafficking and money laundering. Charges against mexico's former defense minister salvador's san diego's reuters reports attorney. General william barr agreed to drop the charges after mexican officials privately. Promised him they would arrest a senior cartel leader involved with trafficking. Large quantities of the synthetic opioids feno. The drug enforcement administration had accused. General goes for protecting the violent h two drug cartel while directing mexico's army its rivals. Authorities and florida has opened an investigation into the recent police killing of two black teenagers. Who were shot at least eight times while driving. A car in cocoa florida at around ten thirty am thirteenth. One passenger in the car survived. Attorney benjamin crump is now representing the families of sixteen year old angelo cruz and eighteen year old sincere peers crumbs said the teenagers were terrified and tried to drive around the officers. Who were aiming guns at the car. The officers were following the car because they thought it had been stolen but in fact the car belong to the girlfriend of one of the teenagers in omaha. nebraska protests. Continue over the weekend after two omaha. Police officers shot dead. Kenneth jones the thirty five year old black man during a routine traffic stop. Thursday police smashed in the passenger window. Where jones was sitting and attempted to drag him out of the car before opening fire. According to a police press release the officers continued to yell at jones to show his hands even after they had shot him in california's san francisco district attorney chased. Bodine has filed homicide charges against police officer who shot dead an unarmed black man in two thousand seventeen the officer christopher some ao shot keta. O.'neil from inside his patrol car after a chase bodine is believed to be the first san francisco district attorney to ever file homicide charges against an officer in kentucky leader of the movement demanding justice for briana. Taylor has been fatally shot twenty one year old. Homs a travis. Nadi was reportedly struck by multiple bullets during a suspected carjacking. Early monday near the university of louisville campus police have released few details and have not named a suspect. Nagy was well known for leading chance over his bow foreign over his bow horn at black lives matter events demanding the officers who shot and kill brianna taylor in her own home. Last march be charged with murder. He voted for the first time just three weeks ago. And then november third election and tacoma washington the immigrant rights group. La resistencia is reporting at least seven prisoners northwest detention center of gone on hunger strike following the alleged assault earlier this week of a nineteen year old person or when a guard reportedly put their knee on the teen's neck at least four others were placed in solitary confinement and retaliation for speaking up against the attack according to the group including a sixty two year old prisoner who has cancer and other serious health problems. This comes as prisoners. Continue to fight for their release during the pandemic. This has got pat perez. One of the hunger strikers speaking from northwest detention center where she's been imprisoned for nearly a year. I want to be released to to be able to deal with this with my family at twenty six years old. i should not be having classrooms. Should not be having half of these issues that have only because i have been in here is not mandatory for us to be here have better still here. Don't have a single thing on the criminal rescue others. They lived in the united states for more than twenty twenty five years and so. I know that it's not independently of what a gentleman said is decision to mattis in more immigration news. The new york radio station. Wnyc reports nine imigrants being held at the bergen county. Jail and new jersey have been on hunger strike for nearly two weeks. The prisoners who demanded their release amidst growing concerns over the spread of covid nineteen and the crowded and squalid jail. Several of them have health problems including kidney disease making them more vulnerable to worsening covert symptoms. General motors is recalling some seven million pickup trucks and suv's worldwide to replace potentially dangerous air bags. This comes after the. Us government ordered g. m. to recall the vehicles which gm maintains are safe to drive. Meanwhile the automakers withdrawn support for the trump administration's years long efforts to block california from establishing its own fuel efficiency standards the new york times reports. Gm's move signals. The company is ready to work with president-elect joe biden and reducing climate warming emissions from cars and trucks in puerto rico. The beloved social-aid. Carlos has a non died at the age of eighty four last friday. He was a longtime activist who for decades led the fight against the us navy occupation of the island of yankus his hometown where the us government tested weapons and held military training exercises between one thousand. Nine hundred seventy eight and eighty three. The non and other fisherman repeatedly confronted. Us navy ships and halted plan military exercises. The navy finally left vehic s in two thousand three after bombing it with napalm for years and former new york city mayor. David dinkins has at the age of ninety. Three dinkins was elected. New york's one hundred six. Th mayor in one thousand nine hundred eighty nine defeating republican challenger rudy giuliani to become the only african american ever to hold the position during his four years in office. Dinkins expanded the size of new. York's police force directed levels. He also backed the movement against apartheid in south africa ordering the city to divest its pension fund from companies doing business there and those are some of the headlines. This is democracy now democracy now dot org the quarantine report i amy goodman in new york joined by my co host juan gonzalez in new brunswick new jersey and new jersey. The as in so many other places around the country co vid is exponentially spreading taiwan. Hi amy and welcomes all of our listeners and viewers across the country and around the world. Well before we move on with our first story. I just wanted to get comment from you. On the last two obits we brought people in the headlines. I wanna start with mayor. David dinkins howard graduate who became the first and only african american mayor of new york. Yes well as you know. I knew david dinkins pretty well over. The years covered him during a before his administration and then and then afterward as well he was what you could say about david is. He practiced an old style of politics in new york city politics of civility which is rare in many political leaders. So he was. Of course. The first african american mayor in the eighties where all the big cities of america suddenly had african american mayors. Tom bradley in los angeles. Our washington and chicago wilson good in philadelphia and dinkins was the last of this group to come to office. He only served one term. Most people forget that he was a democratic socialist before democratic. Socialism was in vogue. He was a member of democratic socialists of america and he had a liberal brand of politics. But what a lot of people don't realize also by david dinkins is that he was a reluctant mayor. He never really wanted to be mayor of new york city but he was thrust into that position by the rainbow coalition movement above the day. Jesse jackson in one thousand nine hundred eighty eight had had a really one new york city to his rainbow coalition in his second quest for president and it was that coalition that sorta propelled dinkins into office. I'll never forget new year's day of one thousand nine hundred eighty nine. I flew to web the heat. Goats for the to cover the inauguration of new governor in puerto rico and dinkins and several other politicians were on the plane the same plane that day. He was a bit manhattan borough president at the time and at one point he comes up to me in the back of the plane because he was up there in first class coach and he sits next to me and he says well you know they want me to run for mayor. And i'm not sure if i'd want to do this because i'd have to give up my seat as manhattan borough president and this is the job i always wanted manhattan borough president and he says who do you think i should do. I said well mr dixon. I'm not a journalist. I'm not not involved in politics but One thing i've learned is if you're going to accomplish any great thing in life you have to be willing to sacrifice a lot and so that's the only advice i can give you. And the back three weeks later. He decided he was going to throw his hat in any one but he only served one term and i think the problem with david dinkins is he. He did a lot of good. And i think the most you mentioned the the the the battle against apartheid people forget he brought nelson mandela to new york city right after mandela had freed gave him a ticker tape parade and really associated. New york was supporting the battle to end to end minority rule in south africa and but he was felled in large part by the crown heights riot by the surge in crime and the crackle cain epidemic and by the refusal of the police department really to work for him they did everything possible to undermine results on. This one term with rudy. Giuliani coming in as mayor. And of course we all know would juliette. Guiliani is now but back then. A lot of people considered giuliani almost a mythic figure in a big city politics. We've not seen toward the end of giuliani's career what he's really like. David dinkins is refreshing was a refreshing figure in new york city politics and in that battle against apartheid he took on the nation's banks i fighting to have the city divest of its like half a billion dollars worth of pension funds invested in companies. That did business in south africa and passed a bill that allowed the city to rate banks on their opposition to a party. Yes yes. New york's decision to to To divest blow. And really i think really propelled the divestment movement and really forced corporate america in large extent to turn more and more against the south african government and finally another. Oh bit today in puerto rico. The beloved social leader carlos us a non died at the age of eighty four last friday. The longtime activists among many other actions fought against the us navy's occupation and constant bombing of the island of the significance of synon- one was another major figure in in certainly in the heap in in the puerto rican community. Not only in go. But in the united states i met him for the first time in nineteen seventy nine in philadelphia because it turns out. Many of the of the against their fishermen who had been dislocated from their lands ended up migrating to the united states primarily in philadelphia so it was a large community of higgins from the actors in the philadelphia. Camden area and send on would go back. There often to raise funds and support for the efforts of the fishermen to block the navy block as they. They actually interrupted over thirty. Thirty five of a naval exercises with their boats repeatedly from nineteen seventy eight through one thousand. Nine hundred eighty. Three and in this was way before the case was known as an international symbol of a battle against colonialism and so on really was a mythic figure and later on years later his sons and other members of his family will continue the fight which eventually ended enforcing us navy out of the case in the early two thousands. So this was about went on for twenty five. Thirty years and simone was a person who touched off a back in the late. One thousand nine hundred seventy s and from people who aren't familiar with what the military did for decades they bombed the s with napalm with depleted uranium and many other toxic explosives. Well on thanks so much for for explaining the significance of Both losses today as we remember. Not only the non. The first african american mayor of new york david dinkins when we come back with some fifty. Four million americans going hungry. The food lines people in lines. Cars and lines for miles are seen across this country. Stay with us you so much that in the years right now i appoint say you're at thomas. A studio convey mr dinkins. Would you please be my mayor. You'll be doing similarly big favor distract billionaire flavor when it comes to those. Did you save your follow us for the funky behavior. Make on the game. You feel free minutes again. Do you like the comments that we've been struck. The whole vegas a ribbon. You'll say doesn't matter gemina four major just to try the game. Play to inhale like a breath of fresh. Can i kick it. By a tribe called quest's the song includes a famous shoutout to vote for david. Johnson's who died last night at his home in new york about a month after his wife. Joyce dinkins died this is democracy now. Democracy now dot org the quarantine report goodman with brandon solace as we look now at the growing number of people in the united states who do not have enough food to eat thousands upon thousands or standing in lines and food pantries and parked hours long miles long lines of cars at food banks across the country. A recent poll found four in ten. Americans say they've experienced food insecurity for the first time during the covid nineteen pandemic here in new york. Some food banks had to turn away families amidst unprecedented demand. This is harlem resident. Ruth crawford in line at a food bank that handed out five hundred turkeys to residents including yourself have to try to relax. Think of the better because it wasn't always like this with this is getting to people and was just sad. I mean you work all the time and then you can go to work. You can't work from home. So it's the hunger relief group. Feeding america warned some fifty four million. Us residence currently face food insecurity amidst a massive public health and economic crisis. Two recent surveys found almost ten percent of parents with children under the age of five cannot afford enough food for their kids. Many say they've struggled even more after the expiration federal assistance programs and the cares act and senate republicans and the white house refused to advance multiple. Relief measures passed by the democrat controlled. House this is congress. Member alexandria ocasio. Cortez speaking friday on the house floor after senate majority leader mitch. Mcconnell sent the senate home for thanksgiving without finalizing a corona virus. Relief bill our country is going hungry and the week before thanksgiving and the senate broke. I don't care what party you are. It is an abandonment of responsibilities as elected officials who are charged with acting in the public. Trust this comes as the united nations world. Food program predicts acute hunger could affect two hundred seventy million people worldwide by the end of two thousand twenty and eighty two percent increase since the start of the pandemic and it's the economic fallout from pandemic related layoffs and less money being sent home by relatives working in wealthier countries like the united states for more. We're joined by rosh patel award winning author filmmaker co host of the food politics podcast a secret ingredient. His books include stuffed and starved the hidden battle for the world's food system. He teaches at the university of texas. Austin is currently completing documentary project about the global food system rosia. It's great to have you back again. i was looking at the food lines across the country. Pictures of food lines near not so far from you in arlington texas. There was a car foodline that went on for miles four in ten people in country. Who are on these food. Say they've never been on a food line before talk about what this country is facing and then talk about the world. Thank you amy pontes. It's great to be back. I'm the it's important as we think about the horror and the indignity those clips and these what we're seeing represent important to remember the context that happened before covert before kobe. Hunger rates of food insecurity rates in the united states. And we say food insecurity. What we're talking about is that that worry that experience that deep concern the depression that comes with knowing that your household is not going to have enough food to be able to put on the table for everyone so maybe you skip a meal. That food insecurity was bad enough in in the united states was it's been hovering around thirteen percent of households for the past couple of decades During the great recession that surged sixteen percent. Fifty million americans of that recession and then gradually sort of fell away to around about ten percent last year. Thirty five million. Americans were struggling with food insecurity. Which isn't great already. That shows the kinds of systemic betrayal. The counts as business as usual in the united states. But what cove has done is effectively target. And i always talk about covert as being the great unveiling of the inequalities in america but the inequalities really strike deep in the food system because seven out of the ten worst paying jobs in america are jobs in the food system. And when we have the you know the recession accompanying covid really striking. Ask the food system and the food service jobs. The people in the front lines who described as essential workers are also the people who are more likely to be exposed to kobe. More likely to be in precarious low wage work. And so what we're seeing. Certainly here in texas. Where we also these apocalyptic lines you know when i volunteer at the food bank coming. It's i mean it's it's desperation is what you see and the you know the the long story here is the continuing kind of war on the american working clients. But when you hear about forty percent of american households experiencing food security insecurity of some kind faxon you record and it's a it's a very one to be breaking and as you say this is particularly targeting deeply effects households where there are children. Low income households fifty percent of low income households with children have experienced some sort of decline in income. And we're seeing particularly how low income households people of color struggling with with hunger and raj. Sorry i wanted to ask you. Why is it as you mentioned that so. Many of our lowest paying jobs are in the food industry from those who pick our crops to those who who butcher and pack the meets that the public each to those who serve the food. Why have we gotten to this Situation one in a word. The answer is colonialism this this settler colony that we find ourselves in the united states was founded on a certain kind of agricultural colonialism that involved i the enslavement and occupation and genocide of indigenous people. And then the enslavement of people from africa and the long history of the united states is about a long history of the rebellion of people. Who have been enslaved and lands colonized. But what we see throughout the early and more recent. Us history is that because in the food system are disenfranchised prevent from prevented from unionizing for example in ways that a deep systemic. And so if you look for example that who the farmers in the united states are the breakdown is well over. Ninety percent of farmers and farm supervisors are white and the a cadence of the way that work in the food system which was often done by people of color a people people and also now is done a disproportionately by by women. All of those figure in the long history of the way in which. The united states has militated against workers in those professions from organizing. And from asserting. That powell and i wanted to ask you. As we're moving. From the trump administration into the incoming biden administration there is discussion at one of the leading contenders for the secretary of department of agriculture which executes food and foreign policy in this country could be heidi heitkamp. I'm wondering your your concerns about that possible nomination as as you were saying at the top of the hour when you listening Biden's current appointees. There's a couple of possible glimmers of hope if you're not feeling particularly optimistic but in general this is a continuation of the neoliberal. Run of the obama era and of heidi heitkamp. I think the most students is comes from my colleague nutty connor who is the co founder director of the he'll food alliance and she says if heidi heitkamp she's so far right. She was on trump's list. And you know. I mean within the democratic moment. There's a discussion around weather to lean back into the era in which tom ville sank was secretary of agriculture and essentially sort of continue the long betrayal of farmers. The democrats have been involved in radio since before and after all whether to try a different candidate and the american federation of teachers and the food and commercial workers. Union for example came out recently and supportive marcia fudge the congresswoman from ohio's eleventh district who offers a very different kind of opportunity for the united states department of agriculture. The isn't about cleaning to the agribusiness monopolies that bankrolled supported the usda for awhile but rather to understand that we need a transformation both in the way food is grown and to support the eating of food and most of the usda budget goes to things like snack the supplemental nutrition assistance program so a fight in the democratic party. The moment heidi heitkamp if she to become secretary of agriculture would signal. I think the way in which biden and the biden administration was really sticking to neoliberal business as usual rise. One is the issues you've raised is who gets the vaccine. We've been having a lot of these discussions who gets access to these vaccines that are being developed in the world. And you've made the point that essential workers not just nurses doctors hospital staff but for example food workers and pickers and california. They too should have the first access. I agree with me. I absolutely the all work is on the front line precisely because the front lines of the food system. And i do want to make a point about how this is an international crisis and one that the hunger in the united states is bad. The hunger outside the united states is worse and the hunger outside. The united states is because of us policy of us trade policy of us policy around intellectual property rights for example the world trade organization. Now if we have anything approaching a just recovery then let's link these issues and understand that the reason the frontline workers in the united states are often people of color and the there's a long history of undocumented workers being part of the us food system is because of us trade policy and if we ought to move out of the covid era with anything approaching justice then not only must frontline workers in the united states be vaccinated if and only if it is safe but also the us needs to stop making the rest of the world hungry through its food policy. And that's that's an additional recognizing the us needs to be lifting the kinds of restrictions it. It fought for the world trade organization around intellectual property rights so that countries can become powerful enough to be able to not only know the contents of the vaccine but also the production and processes required to be able to make it effectively and safely. But i think the important point here is to recognize that the. Us is not an island. The world suffers alongside the united states. But because of it and if we are interested in moving out of the covid era then understanding the frontline workers whether in meat packing plants in the united states or sending remittances home elsewhere and the global other countries in the global south all affected by us policy and that policy must change rise. We want to thank you for being with us. But we're going to be going back to you soon to have this discussion as this problem. Only worsens in the united states and around the world rush patel award winning author co host of the food politics podcast. The secret ingredient among his book stuffed and starved the hidden battle for the world's food system and we're going to stay on the world's food system this is democracy. Now i'm amy goodman with juan gonzalez. Turn right now to iowa. It was a betting pool. That's right as kovic. Nineteen rage through factories and meat packing plants in the spring. The mega corporation tyson refused to close its largest pork slaughterhouse to protect its workers while publicly claiming to be implementing all possible safety measures the managers of the waterloo plant and iowa put money unhealthy. Many workers would get the deadly virus soon after at least six people at the plant had died and more than one thousand were infected. These horrific allegations were made by the family of meatpacker seed fernandez who died of covid. Nineteen april twentieth in a loss of the family claims that quote plant manager. Tom hart organized a cash by an winner. Take all betting pool for supervisors managers to wager. How many plant employees would test positive for covid nineteen unquote last week. Tyson suspended the managers without pay and higher law firm to do an independent investigation into the claims to be led by the former u. s. attorney general colder in a statement. Tyson foods ceo dean bank said quote. We are extremely upset about the accusations. Involving some of the leadership at our waterloo plant. If these claims are confirmed we'll take all measures necessary to root out and remove this disturbing behavior from our company on quote but worker advocates. Say the betting pool is just further evidence of mistreatment by tyson at the iowa. Meat plantain other factories. Tyson produces twenty percent of america's beef chicken and pork the president of food and commercial workers international union which represents workers at the plant said quote. This shocking report of supervisors allegedly taking bets. On how many workers would get infected pressuring sick workers to stay on the job and failing to enforce basic safety standards should outrage every america unquote. This comes as a new study found up to eight percent of all. Us cove in nineteen cases came from meat packing plants. That's more than three hundred thousand cases as cova spikes across the united states again endangering meet workers. We go to springdale arkansas. Home of tyson foods headquarters to speak with michael ealy coli. She is executive director events today most an advocacy group for poultry. Plant workers magli. It's great to have you back again. Thank you for joining us but a very sad circumstances. Talk about what's happened in iowa. That's at a pork slaughterhouse. And what that means for all meet workers around the country. I think so much for inviting me differently. Definitely basis outrageous and unacceptable however this is shocking for the people that don't know how workers are treated every day when i informed the workers about this lawsuit here there were not shocking at all and be safe. Because they're this. This practices are on workers a lot of racism discrimination. A lot of these workers are immigrant refuges black and often so vulnerable that really the companies are treating them like animals as disposal and this example of the variable is just really an example or this sum up of how workers are going through every day and so yes definitely as shocking to all that on top of that. The workers were getting sick. There were dying these companies or these managers were shooting. This worker shows as animals and just really during the pandemic we we sold. They highlight e- each use. Among in this within this industry that these workers were treated of and that these worker were purposely. Put it at risk of getting sick and this is even. The managers tried to bed because they knew that it was a midday.we. Inevitable that these workers were getting sick because the company then provide even the central benefits such as p p or even allowed workers to practice social distancing and really what we saw during the pandemic and during this month's it's worse a lot about tyson pretending that they care for workers why sent pretending because they put a lot of money in pure campaign trying to convince. The paul blake that they were doing everything that they could to protect workers however they still they even provide basically workers are used to come to work while sick and they instead they gave five hundred dollars zimbawe noses with the condition that they then have to miss any data work and they announcement was made in march when they knew that the cases were growing in their plants and that they knew that workers were gonna get sick so they kind of incentivize workers to continue coming to work and so when when when workers told me back in march about these bonuses and really help the company wants forcing them to come to work when they don't have any benefits of basically for anything like that and so it was a lot of like understanding that this company knew what they were doing that they knew that they were putting workers at risk of dying really because vulnerable because these workers have also carrying a lot of existing conditions or working in the processing plants with high amounts of chemicals they have the bella respiratory problems so they knew that if the workers word afraid of losing their lives they have to give the money to make them come to work. And that's what happened. And that's how things out on how we're forcing workers took and also one think to mention is like this companies tyson in other companies. Use these punitive system that it's like if workers missed a were are they were because they were sick. They will get a point. Evade reach up to thirteen points. These worker are going to beat fire so they all the time out of freight of losing their jobs even for missing work because they were sick. So yeah we saw a lot of cases workers coming in sick workers being exposed and also be nine workers of the risk of who was in contact with so there was a lot of like a times. Were workers even know how many workers were sake if the coworker next to them was sake that information west high to workers. And all i wanted to i wanted to ask you in terms of the of we're in the set gain in some places third wave of covid pandemic has have conditions changed at all any of these plants since back in march april or may and what's your response because many of these private employers seeking to have congress eliminate in any liability on their part for not properly protecting their workers. They want immunity of from a- any possible lawsuits as a result of their negligence in protecting their workers. Your response to that as well. Yeah i mean. We saw that The government was really protecting this work. This companies instead of workers and so right now workers to refi for the second wave because the majority of them got sick and they also have long term effects of it. Many of them are disabled. Like i know workers who had like only forty percent of the lung capacity after getting the carpet and so they are not able to return to work and at tyson was not paying workers to quarantine. They were not paying workers for being sick. Many workers had to be hospitalized for through three months and after that so many of them died workers were not compensated whatsoever for those Those times during be in hospital lies. Many of them are facing food insecurity. Many of them are facing. they're going through hardship. No being able to pay medical bills now being able to pay like the utilities you know and so right now. The fear is like with the second wave. Tyson has not done anything to continue to protect workers and in fact after the outbreaks that we experience here the company relaxed its policies about checking the temperature about asking questions regardless if they were exposed to others or they can travel outside the state or any or the country so they have relaxed a lot of the policies. And that's why i said. Tyson joe's wasp pretending to protect to protect workers where five do any meaningful changes to continue protecting workers in the long term so we were demanding. Pay sick leave. Base essential benefit was not granted to work. It is not and we're still demanding that these companies pro by basically to workers so workers can assure a their sick days. They'd home without going through this harsh group that they are experiencing right now and so Yeah raggedly deaf. So i think at workers need to that we need to create a set of rights to protect workers. Essential workers moving forward with wages with healthcare with pay sick. Leave so that these workers go through these situations as they bring going through right now and so we hope that taizo really those meaningful changes for workers is time to hold them accountable eastern for consumers to join this fight to put pressure to these companies because we are also responsible to make them to do to do the right thing for these workers going to call. You wanna thank you for being with us especially on this day before the holidays perhaps the largest poultry consuming holiday of the year magliolo locally executive director events. Today most in english that means we will win and advocacy group for poultry. Plant workers. Joining us from springdale arkansas. Home to tyson foods headquarters next up. We look at how this year was the deadliest on record for transgender and gender non-conforming. People stay with us was fourteen ran away. So the can fall stub monitoring but it didn't have the knowledge the streets what's too much. Mahmud just told me hard on new one. The same. They say they don't they. But the bloodstains showed the pru not me up nineteen twenties and there goes much rain. Don't shoot by shea. Diamond this is democracy. Now democracy now dot org the quarantine report i made me goodman with juan gonzalez dominique romy refills nina pop maryland. Sada's tony mcdaid. Just a few of the names of the thirty seven transgender and gender non conforming. People killed twenty twenty the deadliest year for trans and gender conforming. People on record this according to a new report from human rights campaign. it's the highest number of deaths since the hr see started recording and reporting this type of violence in two thousand thirteen. Twenty two of those who were killed were black seven lot necks human rights campaign foundation president. David said quote this grim milestone proves we have long known. This violence is an epidemic each one of the lives we lost with someone ripped from their family their friends their community by an act of senseless violence often driven by bigotry and transphobia and inflamed by the rhetoric of those who oppose our progress. He said more than two hundred trans and gender non conforming. People have lost their lives to violence since two thousand thirteen. Two thirds of those killed have been black women for more on this devastating study. we go to atlanta georgia. Where we're joined by tori cooper human rights campaign director of community engagement for the transgender justice initiative. We welcome you to democracy now tori Start off by talking about what you found in this devastating report. Good morning and thank you so much for having me are. There's so many things that we found this report we found as you'd noted already that the majority of the black and brown chance. That's really really unfortunate and we're also finding that in with black and brown trans women often. They're being killed by people who they know and these numbers are torreon likely and under report of the deadly violence targeting transgender and gender non conforming. People could could you talk about how police actually our cataloging these and reporting these sell at the black trans and many of us in the community. Believe these numbers are terribly low and in part that in part is because police will tell a story they will talk about a death in this truthful and by truthful lambing. Perhaps the person's legal identification still has an m versus s And so they're telling stories truthfully but they're not telling stories accurately discount or what we call dead named people in used them by the birth name rather than their chosen name. When we know that this happens in there this is a separate issue. Their legal consequences to this Certainly there reporting consequences as well. But we believe that. That's one of the things that contributes to terribly. Low number's an inaccurate counts and then in addition to that families are not always as welcoming and understanding about a person's gender identity so that certainly plays a part in getting an accurate more actor account as well tori. If you could talk about that point you. I made you said killed by people. They know i used the word relationship. We as yes. What we have found out is that the majority of the black and brown chance women who've been killed issues black and latinx mix. They had some kind of relationship with the person. it may have been a social media person. There was one or two accounts where folks are believed to have been killed by people. They went to school with and perhaps it lost contact with over a number of years so they were in some relationship big social media. They could have been in an amorous relationship boyfriend girl relationship wherever the relationship. There was some way that they knew each other prior. And it's trans women particularly. It's black trans women. If we cannot trust people that we know and that relationship with it really takes away offense of safety and it makes us feel even more vulnerable. Could you talk about the case of dior of black trans woman who was brutally beaten by a in saint paul minnesota back in june. How often are are these. These situations even investigated in our some trans people often afraid of reporting such attacks to the beliefs cases unfortunately not as uncommon as we would like to think and now i do not know personally i will make sure to say that but we did reach out to her several times and and we communicated and through my work at chelsea as well but with the honor the ors case the from my understanding there was a simple small tap of a car vehicle escalated into basically a group jumping on her and beating her up inside a store not only was she not protected by the folks who work at the store but ask folks realize their gender identity more and more folks ganged up on her really for no reason at all and what that is kind of emblematic symbolic of how we as trans gender non conforming folks. How we kind of gain definitely in society. This young lady appeared to be minding her own business. It was an accident a small accident that it didn't create any significant damage. And yet these folks not only did they beat her up gang style. They just ganged up on her. But then videotaped it in played it on social media for others entertainment as trans people. We feel that our lives are displayed and victimization is displayed for other people's entertainment. All the time could you talk about the role of the media and how we can have a more positive impact on combating these these incidents of violence significant role of the media. I'm quite often. what has happened. Is the media talks about trans non-conforming people when we're celebrities own. We're dead and the truth. is most of us lie. Extreme move on from somewhere in between those two extremes and so it is important for the media not just to tell as with any other marginalized group. May i add that also important that the media tell us stores in a way that is truthful and accurate it is important that the media cancer act some of the negative imagery around us back telling stories that uplift our community that provide a more holistic view of who we are. I like to say that color to the picture of transit and nonbinary that's really really important and finally tori. Sarah mcbride is a trans woman who is elected to the delaware state legislature might be the first trans openly transgender state. Senator in the united states. she wrote a book about her life experience Her book is called Tomorrow will be different love loss and the fight for trans equality and it has a foreword by joe biden The new president elect of the united states. Can you talk about what you want to see this new administration do and what you think the old one the effect of trump so excited for sierra respectfully are correct your she is in perhaps the first out chance person electric congress. She is the first out. Trans person elected to congress. Stay incredibly proud of our state legislature. Thank you so she is. We are very proud of the human rights campaign and also proud of for transplant. Not so what we expect from her administer from her as part of the legislature and also from the biden harris administration is really to hold them accountable. Joe biden and in a recent speech was the first to acknowledge transgender folks. I'm joe biden. Released a statement on transgender day for membranes. Which is november twentieth. And so we believe that we now are beginning in january will now be under the administration that is the most support of of trans non-binding and all of queer folks what we believe is. We're going to hold them accountable so They not only enact hate crime legislation new hate crime legislation enforcement crime legislation. This already on the books we believe that there will now be policies that will be inclusive of trans folks again. Being able to join the military there were there will be protections in the workplace and in education We believe that that will be more of a sense of equity winning territory. Thanks so much. Human rights campaign director of community engagement. I made me good mental.
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I want to be proactive to mention that we do discuss the pain. She carried and how looking back over her life. She does not see your life marked by that abuse but covered by God's presence and his redemption of what was so horrific in her life. And you're going to love my known a- and so here she is my friend known Jonah Jones Happy Hour. Yeah thanks for having me. This is so great now. Just let everyone know. We're in a hotel. Tell Room at. What city are we in? I don't know what the city is. But it's Orange County Orange County. I give so confused when I come to. This is Orange County a city or great county. I don't know I was seen someone that I think lives around here. And I'm like I don't know where I never nowhere when it come to Orange County and the airport is S. N. A. But it's Orange County. Just what does it San Antonio SNA. It's not John Wayne Right. It is John Wayne. Oh this is John C but that has sna. It's like. I don't know anyway. 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Yes this is not enough but if spanks would like to send you an ice awesome. Oh we would totally take and post pictures on instagram. We'll do they come up so high. Look I'm showing the Tummy Control which which is nice. I need the my life. Yeah welcome to the happy hour. We you and I met earlier in the summer at something that were both at And I knew that there was something special about you. You and then when I found out we were both can be taping together. I was like well. This is it we have to get together or happy hour and so I am a listener here to tell you the truth because I have a handful title of questions that I only have because follow you on instagram. Isn't that funny. That is a larry like he follows someone. Like I have questions. Because they haven't filled in all the blanks there saying because you know we forget that people don't know us But introduce yourself. Tell us what you do where you live your family all that kind of stuff. Sure so I'll L. start off with where I live. I live in Florida and my family is my life so I married almost fit sixteen years. Now it's been fifteen and a half years got married a month out of college college career that most people were at me and they're like what do you mean you've been married almost sixteen years. Yeah I have two little boys. 'cause you look young thank you. I appreciate that so I'm I'm three two years from forty and I don't get me excited about turning forty but it's also kind of scary because I'm like it just feels so like adult forty feels adult. You've done a lot in your life. You hit adult quickly a long time ago. I want to be adults real but yeah three years from forty Two little boys six nine nine. My oldest is Timothy Junior. My baby is Isaac he'll be seven TOWARDS SPLIT SEE on a couple of weeks actually What else golden doodle named Shiloh? I have a golden doodle to you. Hold your noodle to issue to our October seventeenth. I don't know it's actually my gallon regular look it up but I have a question for you. Does your goal to lay a girl boy girl. Does she lay on her back a lot. She doesn't want her back but like when I walked walk toward her she like lays on her back and opens her legs which is really has to but she'll just lay there on the ground like a dog plane debt. Okay okay. It's a little disconcerting golden doodle thing. We love our goal of my baby girl. My husband is yeah. He's like that's you treated like a human and we also have a labrador. ooh I was thinking about getting a Labrador tow. Before the golden doodle made the good you may throw in the lower doodle. She's just a little crazy. Okay are golden doodle. We feel like she's like a therapy. The dog and the Labrador. She kinda makes me nervous just looking at her she's anxious and worried and yeah well so Material with my dog. UGH Live in Florida. The reason why I say that is so what I do. I have a ministry and Evangelistic Ministry. I also passed a local church with my husband. That's why I still live in Florida and then for my day job I lead faith-based partnerships at facebook which is located in California on the side of the country. So my team is in California. I live in Florida the way that even came about is I got a call out of the blue one day literally out of the blue And I was asked is to take on this role and I told them that I could move. Who called you So random person who was in their recruiting vision My name had been given to them as somebody to talk to about leading this work for the company Just so happened that they called me on the day that I resigned from my previous job because God told me to do it tall today on the day. Twenty five minutes after I resigned in faith and Yeah they called me and I told them I couldn't move because we have church in Florida in so that's why I still still live there. Well that's my life in a nutshell. Okay let's talk about this with facebook. Yeah I have another question versus. Where in Florida Gainesville north central kind of like what colleges? Just when. I'm Getting University of Florida. GATORS gator a double gator. Yes what does that mean. A double gate is a bachelor and master degree. Yeah you're a game either for real except I. I don't watch the Games and I don't really care much about football. That's what everybody cares about so I love football. So that's what what what team do use. For Texas LONGHORNS. Okay okay. Is there a rivalry between gators along with him. I don't think so because it's different. Yeah that's as much as I know about. Okay well there you go that's Okay so let's talk about this book all right and your job there. What is it entail? Because I don't really understand what you do for facebook so an helped me because I don't WanNa rag on facebook at all uh-huh facebook is a hard place for me. Tell me what you do and why you love it and all that stuff sure so what I do. I'll provide context even how I came to the company so a couple years ago. Oh the mission of facebook changed. It used to be all about connecting friends and family and then in two thousand seventeen at crossed the two billion user threshold. She and I think mark mark really had a moment of introspection. 'cause it was like there's a saying that he created in his dorm at Harvard. Just connect people in the dorm. That now was connecting a quarter of the Earth's population. And so he he was like okay. What does the next iteration of facebook need to be and He had some research done to try to understand communities in like what are all of the different types of communities consists in the world and the research show that there were parenting communities fitness local neighborhoods etc etc.. But what he was really intrigued to find is is that the largest community that was the most meaningful to the people who are in them were communities of faith and he himself at one point was atheists than he became agnostic and he's kind of been moving along that continuum continuum so he was just shocked because in his mind and I think in the mind of a lot of people in Silicon Valley they think faith is weird because a lot of people who work in tech are not people of faith very interesting. Yeah so when when this information became known he was like okay. Well we need to do something about it and so It just so happened that he was actually in a meeting with someone who I had done a leadership program with and when he made this revelation the person said I think I know the perfect person to lead this for us but I don't think we can get her to leave her job and so fast forward to the day. I got the call and the day that I resigned. God told me two months before that resigned from my job but didn't tell me why so in faith to God had resigned from my job. Get this call from facebook the extent of the role As it was described to me at the time if he just gave me chills. Yeah I'm telling you. There are so many details I left out just time sake sake but it's got nothing God But these some of the role at I was really just to help facebook. It's global strategy for how to work with communities of faith faith faith leaders faith institutions. What I have done is my role is both externally facing internally facing so externally I work with you know? The pastor's domination leaders the Christ based organizations around the world to help them use facebook to build community to help them use facebook to connect people around their mission. Internally I work with our product teams across is all of our advertising teams live pages etc etc to make sure that we're serving the needs of people of faith and the organizations that serve them too so I really act kind kind of as a bridge to the faith based community for facebook and then make sure that our product strategies are built with a faith lens if that makes yeah okay. I want to put a little page mark right here because I have questions about facebook and faith yes but I wanna go back a little bit. Because we're going to talk about your growing up later. But what did you do before this to prepare for this because this sounds like a really big job. Did you have that big of a job before I have never worked in tech or social media before I got to fix prices are coming from is. What were you doing that? They said you would be equipped. Listen I am telling you this is a god thing so I have met so many people people who have been doing church communications for years. Who In my opinion are far more advanced than I am But for this I was actually leading a statewide wide network alternative schools in Florida. It was a network of schools for girls who had experienced trauma which was near and dear to my heart. Because that's part of my story but I was doing that so I was at the chief. Executive level loved what I was doing. Thought I would do it for the rest of my life before that I worked for a municipal utility company which was multi service utility so You know energy waterways water water at Cetera et CETERA. And I was doing federal policy work state level policy work working with the government And before that I was in the property and casualty insurance industry and I was helping to lead need the diverse markets acquisition strategy. So my background has nothing to do with what I'm doing now except for the fact that the work I'm doing now is ministry and I was was licensed into ministry when I was seventeen years old. I've been preaching and teaching the word of God since then love the church. Love everything about the church. And so you see this as an overflow to that absolutely absolutely I I really view the role that I have at facebook as a ministry assignment. I also WANNA point out to you and also listeners. That every job you just listed you are clearly early an adult already forty girl. Here's my list like teacher for year and a half uh-huh okay so let's go back to facebook and faith and I find it very interesting that you mentioned that a lot of people in tech do are not faith based people And I don't think that surprising but I do find it interesting with you. Being in the workforce what does that look like for you and I'm imagining that they value value you and your faith because it's a big part of facebook. But how do you sometimes bridge that gap. Yeah personally and professionally great question so Part the way I can bridge. The gap is because I understand the gap at a very granular level so I was actually a microbiology and Cell Science Major in college and I understand Dan people who believe that frankly science is their faith. I understand people who believe math is their faith because it's predictable you know it's it's something where if you understand the equation and you can get the right answer. If you understand the scientific process you can get the right outcome. And so you have a lot of people who are used to being able to control things. Whether it's through the engine nearing whether it's through science math They have they struggle with this idea that there is a god who is sovereign and therefore there are many things that are out of their control. And I think that's where that's where the kind of tension between faith and technology comes in. Is this idea that if I can just create create the right code than I can create a predictable outcome But the way that I bridge the gap is I'm just like the reality is all science and math. Dez Is it explains what God created it. It doesn't explain why in many cases explain how so we have these for example theories of evolution right. Well the very first word is theory. A theory is something that is unproven but is widely believed and so we have these theories that we've ascribed to and what I tell my colleagues is I'm like that's just that's your faith so as as meeting your faith in that theory. You're putting your faith. In that theory that cannot be proven cannot be replicated in a lab and so I really tried to bring that level of understanding leading to the work that I do. which is I'm a person of faith? Not a person of blind faith. I'm just I look at the statistics I mean it is statistically impossible that all all of this beauty in order came from the chaos of a primordial soup. I don't even know what that where it is. It's this theory this theory in biology that We all evolved from this so-called primordial soup were there were these basic nutrients and proteins and elements that somehow magically came together and formed an Amoeba. which is one celled organism that somehow magically over millions and trillions of eons evolved into human beings that is statistically typically impossible and so I have conversation with my colleagues about that and I understand where they're coming from because you have that background has a high exactly so I totally respect their your opinions? I totally respect their suspicions because I studied it but I also know what the word of God says and I think that because of that people are able to respect the conversations conversations. I have with them about faith so working at facebook. How long have you been there It's been two and a half years. which is crazy congrats? That's not that long. Well it seems like it's not that along but I've been there longer than like ninety percent of the people at this point you one of the oldest people that work there. Probably I would say. Yeah but I think the average tenure of a facebook employee like two years at the most going it's a revolving door. So you have people that leave facebook to Google. They go from Google to twitter twitter into wherever oracle and it just goes around and around and around or they do a lot of startups they ask. Yeah this is a whole a world that I have literally no knowledge of. Yeah you know yeah I was the same way none of it. Okay so let's go back and let's go way back to your life because I've heard you mentioned and I talk about in your book. We have a book that release that release yesterday. Actually congratulations thank you yes It is called success from the inside out power to rise from the past filling future us. Congratulations by the way I know. That's a labor of love but you talk about this whole idea of rising up from failure and yeah. Let's talk to me about what the has looked like for you personally in your life sure To be where you are today you know almost forty two kids run hard doing things ministry. What does how so far have you come to get here so Yeah I think a lot of times. We walk in on a person's life chapter and we assume that's the whole story and and that is certainly not the case for me I was born to a mother who didn't want me. She was married to my father for about thirteen years before she found out she was pregnant. She did did not WanNa have children Grew up in a very violent situation. It was her and her eleven brothers and sisters and they regularly watch their dad beat their mother within an inch of her life. Like just right right in front of them. And so I think that trauma really just changed my mom chandelier out of course understandably so I think she just decided from an early age. She didn't want children. She thought that all of those children were the reason why her mother had to stay. And so She made that decision early but then my mother also became violent herself. She ended up getting expelled old from school in the third grade. She threw teacher down a flight of stairs. She would run away from home for days. And I mean it's just a lot of dysfunction but Eventually my my father father met her and fell in love with her to marry her and he didn't know any of this and so their marriage was incredibly rocky to say the least But when she found out that she was pregnant pregnant. My father was so excited thirteen years into their marriage and yeah he was so excited but she actually was angry she cried and then in about halfway through her pregnancy and my dad had some pain and he went to the doctor just to have it evaluated and he was diagnosed with terminal stomach cancer and he was given six months to live. And your mom is pregnant baby exactly and and he of course wanting to be a dad so bad I mean I just can't even imagine facing Zinger mortality. Knowing that you're you're you're not going to be able to see your daughter go to kindergarten. You're not gonna be able to see her graduate college walk down. The isle like all of that flooding his mind so he fought really hard and even though he was only given six months to live he actually lived until about two months shy of my second birthday. So that's a lot longer than hold. How long was given And so I was grateful for that because I have pictures of him holding me but I don't have a ton of memories And then shortly after he passed away. My mom actually moved. Moved us to Florida after we were in New Jersey is where I was born. She was chasing after guys. She barely knew he just promised but he will take care of her and take care of me and so she moved moved because she was really impulsive. That's one of the other towns. My mom had But yes she moved us there. That relationship ended shortly after we got there and over the course of about two years there was like a string of men came in and out of her life in and out of my life she finally met a guy who became her live in boyfriend and this guy. I knew pretty early on that. He wasn't a good guy because when she wasn't around he would hug me like close to his body and he wouldn't let me go and you're how old I was almost five. Okay it's about four and a half five okay then And then my mother's sister passed away and and I was about five at the time. She told me that she had to go back to New Jersey for the funeral and I asked her to take me with her. She said she couldn't afford another plane ticket. And so she left me with him. mm-hmm and I told her I said Mommy I really will have to go. You know I'm not gonNA ask for anything. And she left me and the very remember that I remember vividly. Yeah I remember that the very first night she was gone John I locked my bedroom door because I just felt unsafe around you five years five. Yeah I was laying in my bed. I had my comforter like up around my body and I heard heard scratching on the doorknob and realize that he was trying to get in the room. But I figured because the door was locked that you know what I learned that night is the type of door locks that we had Australian wire. Hanger could actually pick the lock. I didn't know that but he was able to get in my room And that was the first night that I was violated by him. And it was a turning point in my childhood childhood as you can imagine because number one. I felt completely unsafe And then after he was finished he told me he said you. Better not tell your mom or she'll get rid of you uh-huh because she doesn't want you anyway so and oh it's yeah it's It left an impression on my mind that night because he said she'll she'd ever wanted you and it. It made me feel not only safe but it made me truly feel unwanted and my mom and him used to get into arguments. They would fight constantly because they were just angry about stuff and her anger started to boil over at me and she started to become physically abusive to me and so I think between him saying that and her being abusive to me me I just felt so unwanted I felt just so unworthy and The the abuse his abuse of me continued for about two years and and I didn't say anything to my mom until one day I did. Had you feel unwanted before then or was his was him saying that to you the first kind of you have of the Yes of being being told that and then it was after that point that my mother started to become physically abusive and so that really kind of affirm yes and And so I told my mom around seven when I finally worked with the courage to tell her what happened and she actually had him arrested which you had told anybody know head told anybody I I was really grateful that he was arrested but On the day of his release she took me with her to the jail to pick him up and brought him back home and how old I mean. This is so confusing for an adult but I can only imagine for a child because you felt like my mom is fighting for me. Yeah my mark hair. She loves me she believed in me and then had that all. Yeah I mean she the night that I told her what he did. Mom literally like attacked him like beat him. I'm down and I. I felt so liberated then like I just remember feeling so grateful and so excited for you. Yeah and then for her to bring bring him back like it just communicated to me that he mattered more to her than I did and so did that you know I think my mom does really had her own insecurity. Okay I I can't even imagine being a mother myself I cannot imagine by doing that To my child so I can only think that she had some insecurities within in her but Yes so she brought him back and they're fighting just got worse and he started to abuse me again when he got back of course now had this licensed to do it and when I was around nine I tried to commit suicide because I I really felt like there was no other way out I was watching a talk talk show and they were talking about the dangers of hidden dangers in the household. And they were talking about A toddler who died because at TV landed on him. He pulled over a dresser and there was another one that was talking about a kid who drank bleach and he died from poisoning or something and so I went into the laundry room and I was looking for bleach but we didn't have any all. We had was laundry detergent until I got a couple of it. Force it down and I thought it was going to kill me but it actually just ended up making me throw up all night and so I- survived that but the AB- Houston stop. Either you tell your mom what that attempt was no does she know you had drank laundry. Traditional she heard me throwing up but it wasn't no she was basically she. You thought I had over eight but she was just like. Oh that's what you get on my food. And so she was very there was just no compassion there at all But I think between her and him and the abuse just continuing I became extremely Became really belligerents at school at a young age so I got labeled as a problem child. The teachers assume assume that I was bad. They said I had a learning disability. They would punish me constantly and Nobody ever asked me why I was behaving that way. And that's part of the reason. Why the the role that I had at the alternative school is going to say so like 'cause I remember acting out and it really was a cry for help like I just did not know how to process what was happening and so I was acting out because because of that and there were these girls that I was serving at that school and you know at the various schools? There's about twenty of them and I was like these gross need help and they need hope I saw in them myself health But the teachers just wrote me off they were like Oh. She's just a bad kid and I didn't grow up in a Christian home so like I didn't know about Guide Bible. Jesus never went to church. None of that. Ah So I truly felt no hope at all and so at the age of eleven I tried to call myself again because it was just constantly mounting and getting labeled with all these Titles being a bad kid and so like I even have. You can kind of see the faint scar on my left wrist Own I signed this my wrists I tried to just slip both of them but It didn't didn't didn't work. I missed my artery by like micrometres at this point. Does your mom no no. I never told her I never told because I I didn't see the point. I was like choosing using here. Yeah I was like you. Don't you don't care so there's nothing to say. Like oh mom when I told her what he was doing to me she brought him back anyway so I was like. There's no point but it was shortly after that second suicide attempt that didn't work. Thank you Lord that One of my classmates in the sixth grade. She invited me to go to church with her and going to make me cry. I didn't know what church was us. Like truly did not know which was I thought we were. Just GonNa go hang out like play games. I go and ended up going with turn her mom to this church and when we walked in people were just so happy to see me and they just hugged me and loved on me and it was so bizarre it was like these people they are but they were more loving to me than I had ever experienced in my whole life and the very first time I ever heard preached the Pastor said God is a father to the fatherless and I was like did that click for you absolutely because I used to. I remember vividly cry myself to sleep so many nights wishing my father was alive. Like really saying Daddy. If you were here this wouldn't be happening to me. Daddy why did you leave me like just so in torment. has you needed someone to save you. I did I did and I felt like my father had lived lived that he would have done it. I mean the your life would have been different. Yeah has your dad. Yeah cancer I know but to hear someone say God as a father to the fatherless that immediately picked my piqued my interest. I and I asked my friend's mother I said Hey. Can I take one of those books home. Because I knew the pastor was reading out of that Bible. You didn't know what it was it was I just knew it was a book. Because when he gave the passage everybody opened and so she showed me. What the passage was? Can I take this home so I took it home and began to just read the Bible for myself. I didn't quite understand it because it I was like I think a King James version and it was like the shouts But it just spoke to me and there was an interest in my heart. I need to know who this God is because I want my father and so that became a turning point where you know now. I'm in this community of people who love God who loved me. I don't know why they you love me. And I got plugged into the youth group there and literally began to study the Bible with this group of my peers and understood. Finally finally that I was fearfully and wonderfully made that I was made on purpose that I was not an accident that I was not on wanted that I actually had a father in heaven. Who knew the hairs on my head? Like that changed my entire concept of my value and the abused didn't end right. Then it debuts did did not end. That didn't end immediately but I I was. I was at a place where I finally had a sense of a potential future and a hope that I didn't have have before so God literally saved me either. Just save my soul. That was part of it He saved my life. He saved my purpose. He saved my identity like he redeemed my story at that moment I Get to talk to a lot of women in my job and I love it so much and the stories that really move me so much watch. It doesn't have anything to do with the trauma but what moved me so much is when I hear women say that. They read God's Word or they went to church and hurt something for the first this time and they had never known. And it's like we read in the Bible like the scales came off there early and it moves me because I as someone who's Greenwich my whole life. I I can get a sometimes a little bit jaded. The gods still does that to people who've never heard his name yet. They hear his name in the changes just their life and so I love your story. It gets me emotional too because it reminds me of how how grant and how amazing how how true God's Word Word is because it says it pierces the soul. It appears as the heart and dot. Your Story Yeah Yeah I I've often said that I feel like God's protection action was around me even in the midst of me being abused even the midst of me being violated because at the time when I wanted to end my life God said said no and I. I didn't know that was guy. Holy See that now God said no like I have a greater purpose. Integrator Plan for you. You're going to be sitting day with Jamie Ivy and you're going to be talking about this and so I can't let you in July because there are people who need to know that there is hope in my word there is hoping in God God is sovereign. I mean he's he's just so his grace thing I like to say is His grace reaches deeper than our deepest pain you know and so I I will living testimony of that and I'm just so so grateful to be able to be talking about this now because I tell you I think about back then. I did not envision a future. We'll probably see pass the next day at all. And that's why I like to to tell people like listen. If you feel like you're in the darkest part of your life you feel like there's no deeper place you can go. Guess what what you're right the only place you can go up now. That's true no matter how dark it is. There is hope there is light. And I'm a testimony to that like when I thought that my life wasn't worth living God gave me a reason to live. 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Because I think I didn't wash the dishes or something and she just got really angry so she kicked out of the House and I was no more than maybe twelve or thirteen. So it wasn't long after I joined the church but She kicked me out. I had nowhere to go and so I went to the home of a family that lived like right next door to the church. It was like in a trailer like right next to the church and just so happened that the mother was there and she took me in and they let me stay with them for about a month a month. Your mom keeps you out for a month. Yeah and here's the here's the clincher. My mother came to my school. Had them call me out of class and then took me outside and yelled at me in custody out and told me that it was disrespectful for me to not have called her told her where I was I was like you kicked me out. And she was like that doesn't mean anything. You should still call me so again that meant as your mom's still alive. She is okay. She is looking back though. Do you see mental illness ABS. Okay Oh yeah it feels as though we've got some mental illness going on there was maybe diagnosed an Yeah meant unmedicated all those things. Your Mama Christian. I don't know okay I don't know okay. You can tell me more so you live with the family for a month. Live with him for a month and when she pulled me out of class and she was really upset with me. She told me that I had to leave their house and she said I had to go back home and then I could not go to my church anymore and so she made me start listening to that church and so that was the real test because now now I'm in a situation where I don't even have the church as a support so so I literally had to rely on the word of God like fully rely on the word of God. You're a teenager. Yeah I mean yeah prayer a lot of hard things in teenage life. Oh man and then we're going to ask you to live in an abusive home and rely on the Lord. That is a hard task at hand. You know what I what I started to do and talk about this in my book. Is I think that a lot of time. We live our lives either up or down to people's expectations and so the teachers who said I was a bad child that I had a learning disability. I began to live live down to their expectations. Because I was like well. This is what you think of me so I'll just make a true. After I came into faith and I really understood who got it created to me. I wanted to live up to that expectation and so I started to do my work. I was respectful in class and got rewarded for that. Is Your life chain. Police AL's making really good grades. I got to be selected for different leadership roles but see what it birthed in me and I realize is in hindsight is kind of like the pendulum swung a different direction to where On the one hand what I was doing wing was was negative and toxic on the other end of the continuum it was positive toxic. Okay and so. I- striding striving striving ambition for pleasing. I think people for affirmation like I wanted to get the gold star like I came this person that I just wanted everybody to like me and I wanted to be the star and so hello which is hard to live up to as well? It is very hard to live up to. Yeah and so I- absence of my church. I really began to try to be the star student and so I got in my mind that I was going to college. I was going to get a full scholarship. I was GonNa leave the House and never come back that that was your out that was my yep yep and so I I did that and I. I got the grades. I was on every leadership list. I was an honor roll. I was doing all these things I was on Varsity tennis. I was doing all this stuff and I was also deeply insecure secure. I didn't know how to deal with that. I didn't know what to even call it but I was very very insecure in so I assumed that all the things I accomplished where my value and I really took those things as a proxy for. Yes no no you matter because look at all that you did as opposed to understand any no you matter because of who you are because of who God lot created you to be. I wasn't quite there yet. It's so interesting that you went to the completely other side. Yeah you know what I mean it. It's interesting to me to see that you were on the other side ride where you had no value. Yeah and then you flip and said I'll create my own value. Yeah and I'll do whatever this. Yeah the way that I look at it. Is People respond to trauma differently friendly so some people respond to trauma By what I call exploding and those are the people who are like drama follows them wherever they go. They're always creating strife they're always always creating confusion the reason why they're doing it it's not because they're crazy people. It's because something happened to them that they haven't been able to process some people they They explode on the other end of the continuum. Mr People who implode and so those are people who something has happened to them and now they're striving for perfection. Their striving for validation. They need they. Constantly constantly need people to affirm them in order to feel like they matter and when they don't get that then they start. Some people have suicidal thoughts and then they withdraw from the public. And they're like. Oh my gosh I suck. I'm horrible on this that So I think people respond to trauma in in those various ways and and along the continuum. Yeah but I did. I went from kind of exploding imploding and for a long time even into my career. I will still imploding because I was trying to use position. Titles and accomplishments in trophies and awards to WHO Validate that I matter saying. Yeah but as an adult we knew how to disguise on better. Worse Yeah we we disguise okay so you go off to college. Did the abuse stop before. Then it did so It ended I would say probably late middle school okay is what it ended so hybrid. He stuff yeah I think in high school is when it really ended High School was was a pretty good experience. Like I was top of my class. I was an all leadership leadership organizations. I was like class president. I was doing all this stuff. What's interesting though is as as much as I was doing? I was doing it alone because my mom like she didn't come to my games is she wasn't at my award ceremonies. I was selected to give the commencement speech at my high school graduation. She threatened not to come. She eventually came and she brought the guy with her which it was crazy. I was dealing with dual life. Where on the one hand? I was externally successful person who everybody was like. Oh my gosh look at all that you're doing and then at home it was just nobody cares. Nobody cares literally nobody cares. Nobody cares nobody knows and so we created this like fractured identity. Where the people who I wanted Ed to matter to like my wanted to matters my mom didn't really care and the people who frankly I didn't care if they liked him I was glad they did? But those are the people who were like. You're the best threw the bomb. You're awesome you're this and so I think. Having that sense of lack of purpose it did create some toxic ambition in me because it was like. Okay well why can't get what I want to get it from the person I want to get it from but I'm just GonNa do as much as I can to get it from all these other people but that never sustained. It doesn't satisfy the end so you go to college. You get your Masters Search Your Bachelors. You start working. When did you start to realize that this is not sustaining me so I will tell you the exact moment So I started off like I said. The property and casualty insurance industry ended up becoming executive very early so like a year in this leadership team with people who were like my parents age could be my parents and That was an incredible experience. Moved up in the organization that I moved over to the municipal utility company was an incredible experience. I got a lot of recognition for that. Then I moved into this alternative schools network. Awesome experience I started working in Congress. I started working with the Obama Administration because I was trying to get money for the organization but my name started to Be recognized in a lot of policy circles and so I was invited to all these exclusive events. I was at the White House multiple times a month for different things. And I'll never forget this one time I was the White House I was at a reception. president was there for Sleigh. was there President Obama Yeah it was a room about maybe a hundred of the most powerful people in in the country. My literally looked around the room and I was like how the heck did I end up here And I thought to myself I was like man. This is this what success is to be in a room filled with people who are incredibly powerful. Who Know of you but don't really know you? You know like is this success and I went back to my hotel that night I just cried aide. I cried so hard because as we do in situations like that I took pictures and I posted on social media. Oh Look Y'all of where I'm at and people were like ooh look at you that's cool. I felt completely empty and I was like God I was like. I don't WanNa live my life like this where I'm I'm taking pictures of moments that aren't fulfilling to me. I mean there are amazing and people would love to be here and people some people would kill to be here and I'm just like whatever because it can't sustain avoid and so I prayed that night I was like Lord. You'RE GONNA have to show me. What is that I need to be doing because this can be and that I think is where the message of my book originated from was realizing that you can have all the trappings of success? You can have the house the car the clothes you can have all that and just be trapped in success to where you're like this doesn't matter it really doesn't matter. I don't wake up every day excited fighting about Oh after a while it was like. Ram going yeah. You know another day. It's just another day So I needed God to really help me understand. And how do you build a success that fills instead of a success that empties. Because I was very happy which you know it makes me think about an. I love this message. It's a lot of what is in my next book as well which I just love. How God does that? He's birthing something and women right now. It's it's really really amazing. I have so many friends who were speaking so passionate about this including you and I'm just like yes. I love this message but it makes me think and wonder that this chasing of success. Most oftentimes women are chasing something that someone else has so. Oh yeah that they think is what they needed they deserve when I'm screaming to women. You have what's right in front of you is where God has placed you his birch you for this moment for this place for you to serve him yet. You're and you're wasting your time thinking that something else is going to fulfill that And so I think it's I think that this this is a moment in time. Where women are you know my shows mostly for women so speak to him and we're there kind of having to make these evaluations of? Am I chasing something. That's not even mine. Yeah and that can't sustain me and can't fulfill me and unfortunately you probably tested this. Sometimes you learn that by sitting in your hotel room crying going. This cannot doesn't work in for me right why I I think the grace in the situation that I see is that happened to me when I was like thirty two. There's some people that that happens to when they're sixty two she right to eighty two so i. I'm grateful that God let me understand that early verses spinning my entire life on this hamster wheel of trying to get more and more and more and on the other side of more is just less fulfillment I. I had to discover that pretty early on on and I think the other the other challenge for us especially as women and you raise it. Is this idea of comparison. I think a lot of the reason why we're dissatisfied has nothing to do with our light and everything to do with the life where comparing life do It's like I. I'm just satisfied with my marriage because look at what her husband for her. I'm dissatisfied with my job because look the promotion. My friend just got. I'm dissatisfied with my car because my cousin who's got a new car and so we have to understand the power of contentment. The Bible says that that is where great great gainers contentment is the ability to live your life in the moment that you're in and be grateful for it not because you're waiting on the next thing but because because you have what you have right now and I think discovering that has been the saving grace for me like I and this is in full transparency. Like you'll notice on my social media. I don't follow a a lot of people like I know people who follow tens of thousands of people. I don't follow a lot of people and the reason for that is i. Don't ever want to use another person's life as a proxy for my value and so there are a lot of celebrities. I don't follow a lot of influencers. I don't follow just because I don't want to see the picture of the person that you bought. That's the person I want to be like. Oh I just I've learned that for my own spiritual and mental wellbeing like just stop comparing yourself to other people I think with social media which this is a whole nother commerce. It's a whole show that we won't go there but I've had to learn to. I'm forty one and still struggle with some of those things. I put up kind of like this kind of guardrail around my life. Whereas ifs chiefs if I'm on Social Media and I'm envious or discontent because of something I see? That's not their fault. Oh yeah that's not anything wrong. They can do all that but it's my heart. I need it to guard and so I have followed people that I know in real life because I just need a break I just need a moment yeah and there's nothing wrong with that because I think we're responsible for our own hearts. Take care of it. I will tell you part of it too though. Is We curate. What other people see as opposed to being honest so what what happens is we create this image of perfection? Like oh my gosh look at this incredible trip on these incredible people. I met look at this incredible place. My husband's took me to and suddenly people like like Dang you have a perfect life but they don't see that you just got out of the hospital. They don't see that you know that you had your husband. Yeah the fight you or the fact that your car. That was amazing. Scar represented see kids acting a fool. Exactly and that's why I literally just a couple of days ago I started intentionally doing posts that I'm just calling my transparent that moment where I'm just being honest with people about where Matt what I'm struggling with because I've had people say to me like Oh my God i would love your life and I'm like okay. You don't know the the whole of it. Yeah but the reason you don't know the whole of it is because I don't tell the home of it. Yeah and so I think some of what we have to do is women. It's just be transparent with each other and be honest with each other and once we I see that look no your life is imperfect. Life isn't perfect then. We can have more compassionate empathy. I always say people come in and say they probably say to us. Well they're always like I feel like we're best best friends my best friend my best friend. I know so much about you and I always say to them. Always I say you only know what I tell you You only know what I tell you. Yeah and so. We can't be friends and if we're friends in real life you'll know a lot more than you know just by volunteers from media like people know a a couple more questions for you Just from your whole conversation and thank you for sharing your story. Because I know I'm sure that there are some hardness to it but I also see the redemption of guy and you can say look at how. Oh Good God is in this A couple of questions number one. Have you reconciled with your mom. I tried Many many many times of the years I tried and it has never worked And so the thing about reconciliation and to me this is a biblical principle is. There's two sides to the coin. There's forgiveness and then there's also repentance and forgiveness give nece when we're in a situation where we were offended. That is our responsibility. Not because the other person deserved it but honestly because we deserve peace and as long as we hold the other person responsible ensemble for what they did then we will not have peace. So there's a forgiveness side of it when we've been offended the repentance side of the coin though is equally important for reconciliation which is the recognition that I messed. Stop hurt you I should. I have done that. Will you forgive me. I'm sorry for what I did. That piece has never happened in our relationship As a matter of fact when I had the conversation with my mom and I tried to explain how it hurt me and how the situation hurt me. She said to me well. It wouldn't have happened if you have kept your legs closed that response. Yes and the way that you're looking right now is exactly how I looked that you were five. Yeah and I. It doesn't matter. I know I mean five is awful but it doesn't matter. Yeah but I think because in her mind and honestly that was just a reactive. Her guilt is when we are so Guilty we we don't even want to accept responsibility so I think that's where she was so I realized I couldn't reconcile with her because she's so deep in her guilt that she can't even repent for what she did So for my own health for the health of my family for the safety of my family we actually are not in fellowship. We don't communicate at all She's met my boys. I think a couple of times times but my husband now realizes it was all because my husband set it up and I told him I said honey. We're not at a healthy place. She's not helpless. Don't do it what he did because he couldn't believe that it was is that bad and so now he believes it and he wanted the best. You want me. Yeah so unfortunately. No I pray for her every single day my prayers that she has an authentic encounter with Jesus and the truth is if she needed me. If I ever found out she needed me would be right there because I I don't hold any bitterness in my heart toward her. The reality is what happened was horrible and it was was painful and is still less painful to think about. But I wouldn't change it because now I mean the reality is I talk to people all the time. I've shared my story in front of thousands of people in every single time. I do you people come up to me and say that same thing happened to me and I've never told anyone and so if I can be a voice for people who are holding onto the shame of what happened to them. I am more then happy to do that. And I thank God because I can speak with freedom now whereas I know there are many people who are like you know what I could never do what you do. I could never tell anybody what happened to me. And I believe that there is just freedom in light and you're taking Something so awful and pointing people to the Lord which is difficult and like you said a lot of people? We'll have the same experience and don't feel the freedom to do that But what you're doing is you're offering that same freedom better people and I go back to the conversation about the tech community not being very reface. Friendly I had a scenario where I shared my story internally and a colleague asked me to go to dinner and I just thought it was just Kinda hang out and fellowship and she said to me she said you know while I'm atheist I don't I don't believe in God. She was like but I was raped when I was younger. And I've never. I've never been able to reconcile it and I look at you and I see that you just seem seem so happy and you seem so free and I need to know. How can I get to that place in? That became an opportunity for ministry you know. So that's why as crazy. Here's a situation was. I'm so grateful where I'm at now because you know God is using it as a tool to minister to other people. Hey last question. You're very successful. You've been through a lot you you were super honest about crying in the hotel room going. Is this it like is. I'm doing these amazing things but is this it but you're still successful. It's not like that success zest one away. What do you do now to make sure that your heart is not chasing the success in your heart is chasing what God wants for you? Oh that's such a good question. Yeah I seek God's face every single morning every single morning and my prayer we used to be a time where I had a A laugh about it now but like I had a list of things things I wanted to accomplish by the time I was thirty to thirty five but that does not surprise me about you by the way. I had a checklist it was like a it was like it was like a spreadsheet like just ridiculous but I had this like list of things I wanted to do and places. I wanted to go when people I wanted to meet and I wanted to be on and all this stuff and I just I got rid of it because you don't have it anymore. I don't have it anymore. Because I'm like Lord all I want is what you want for me. No more no less if that is as God has blessed me we now with this kind of global platform. If that's what you want for me Lord than I want to steward that to the best of my ability but the moment you decide that that's no longer what you want from me. I will walk away and I will be okay Every single morning. I seek defaced. Guide and my prayer truly is Lord. I want to serve you with as much passion in notoriety as I serve you anonymity I don't I don't want to be this happens especially you. You may or may not have experienced this but sometimes we we become a Christian famous by that time. The vein is saying we can create a famous where people like know who you are. And I think you're so full of guide and then they don't have any idea idea that that's just a a show. They have no idea that you spend no time with God that you don't study the Bible that you're just you're gifted speaker that's it and you're just speaking the Bible. I don't WanNa be data like I want. I want to know God authentically and I want him to know me like the thing that that scares me to. Death is when Jesus said they're they're going to be so many people are going to stand before him. It'd be like look at all this stuff we did look at this. And he's going to be like for me you that we're going to quickly. I don't WANNA be that I. I want him to know me. And so that's how I stay humble and that's how I stay. Focused is every single day. Lord all I want is what you want from me. Nothing more nothing less. I don't have any tenure planned and five year plan. I don't have a vision board. I don't have a strategy. It's like all right Lord like with my book. I didn't have a book agent. I didn't have. I wasn't shopping. It around like it wasn't a part of of a plan it just happened and that's how I wanna live my life is I want God to get all the glory for everything that I do. It's no longer about me and oh I check check this box on my what I WANNA do by the time forty list like no I just want to honor God and whatever that looks like is what it looks like. I love it so much. I'm so glad that I have this conversation with you. I'm excited for your book for all the things. God's doing in your life and I'm just really excited and happy to know you happy. Thank you for three story I know that that is going to minister to a lot of women and not even the thing I love about this. Show the happy hour is I'll have someone on. And they'll share a story like you shared and I guarantee you some listen email or their cinna post or send us a message and say. That didn't exactly happen to me. What happened to her but I understand how she feels and it was an encouragement Kirkman? And so I think that is something that happens in the body of Christ. Is that when we are like you mentioned already when we're vulnerable with where we've been and what we've done and what's been done to us. And and we continue to point people to the Lord and continue to make Jesus shine brighter than all the other stuff. Lives are changed and so thank you for that okay so I always end. Yes with what you're reading and the three things you're loving okay. What do you have for me all right so what? I'm reading right now. which is going to probably everyone to? Death is called the value of nothing by by Raj Patel. Okay so it's a book. It's a book that's premised on this idea that we know the price of everything with the value of nothing and we therefore don't understand understand how important the the world that God created is because we've made everything a commodity so that's what I'm reading boring. It's like an the economics thing and they're like what the heck is wrong with you that so I'm reading that right now I just finished where CRAWDADS sing by. Delia it's so good so so good you read mostly fiction or nonfiction. So I try to read a book a week and I split up I split it up but listen read or listen I read read okay. You don't so crazy. I have not ever listening audiobook. I just recorded by own audio book and I heard two of my chapters. That's the first time I heard an audio book was mine. So it's you. Oh girl I gotta I gotTa do better. I read 'cause I feel like and this is not a day on anybody that audio book. I just feel like a word like the word so I can listen to fiction audio books because like a story radio show almost but nonfiction I gotta hold it. I gotTA touch underline. I gotta do all the things. Yeah so yeah reading those artists. I finished We're we're crediting and I'm reading The value of nothing. Where do you read mostly on planes? I try to so I try to read a chapter before I go to sleep at night. That's kind of high wind down instead of watching. TV or any of that. I just read. Yeah read books. Yes that's right now. What was the question three things? You're loving three things I'm loving. I'm loving running or you're are you like a legit like you run racist runner I I do run races I just finished. So here's what's crazy so i. I just finished my fourteenth half marathon now. I was in Sydney Australia in February. I was there about to speak something and it was a Saturday morning. My husband and I are. We were walking across the park and I saw what looked like race linage just like. Did you jump into rice so I registered for the race. That was happening the next day and I ran the half marathon and city Australia which was awesome. Did Not train for it. Your honor so I mean I mean needs should train but you should write grow because that race was I was I was almost fourteen is supposed to be thirteen point one miles fourteen miles And I didn't he had been running like five miles a few times. 'cause I was like what so loving running. I used to be a runner. I always feel like I need to say that because I'm I have all these issues with the fact that I can't run anymore. Oh No we can't you haven't really bad back some disc issues my lower back and so just. It's not good but I said to my husband they actually. I think I WANNA walk. Marathon it but listen of marathoner Hafer. Well I have I had A. I had a bucket list gold marathon. I'll never do it because I can't run then when I was like well maybe I could walk it and then my pride said that walking marathon would be not good that you'd be like a Weenie. Even though I had a woman on here who was amazing eight and she's a walker like it's a thing. Yeah and she was gawking marathon and I was so impressed with our lesser. So I gotta get over my own insecurities but anyhow I used to love running God bless us her. I know yeah you need to get back into if you decide to run that we know experiment with you. I I mean I try all the time in my back. goes out so then. My husband's mad at me. And you know he's like why are you running unless you so the other things with my second thing that I'm loving is and I don't know if this is like a regional enterprise regional franchise national but so planet smoothie has this smoothie. I I think I think I've seen this place before so okay. It's called the Dragon. Fruit LEMON SPLASH okay. It is like life in a cup it it is so good. Is that like a meal for you. Can't snack or can be. It can be I try to make it a meal because I was like ten dollars off me. That's just not that's the story of my last ten years. A there you go. It's just not cooperate. Neither I feel like I'm not like I'm becoming an adult for real life. These last ten pounds so the Dragon Fruit Lemon splash. That don't like to drink meals. Yeah like to sit down and I like I like food. Yeah so like my husband and one of my sons. So let's go get smoothies dinner. And I'm like that's the weirdest thing I've ever heard my entire life. Let's have a meal meal shoe real okay smell so smoothie so running smoothie I think the third thing I'm living right now and see I don't watch a lot of TV. But the one thing that I watch marathon style back to back to back is chopped on food network. Oh Girl Yeah. We love that at our house else that show. I literally like I'm watching the Super Bowl like I get so excited like my heart races. Like Oh God you like to cook as I love to cook but I don't get to cook much because I'm traveling so much but That show it is. It's everything to me. I love it when your home. Would you want to be in the kitchen cooking. When I'm home we primarily either go out or not the visual husband? Cook Not really gone. How are they eating? My husband has picks up so okay but I do have these visions where I'm like. I'm going to make so what I was doing at one point As I had this routine going pretty well where I try to work out today so I run in the morning work out twice a day. Yeah I try to so I I run in the morning and you read every day. Okay and you're traveling girl. I need to get some smoothies in my life. I think that's the problem but I would go to the gym and then like literally really whole foods is right across the street from the gym. I would stop at whole foods I would grab dinner. That would head home. Pick up my boys and I cook and I just got off my regimen and we just been going like tropical or it's it's hard. It's so hard we have those meals delivered to our house. Sometimes your book them. That's thing yeah still have to cook them. But I have kids at actually like cooking right now. Oh nine some of them will cook so it's great. It's right. Yeah Yeah okay no no. I love everything in our conversation today and I can't wait first quarter episode tomorrow for better together the other which I don't even know when it's going to air probably around the same time as this show area so that'll be fun. Thank you so much for coming on happy hour. Thanks for having me Jamie friends. Do not forget to get those happy hour live tickets. They're on sale right now. Okay no no. She overcame unimaginable childhood trauma. Emma you guys. I consider it an incredible privilege that she would share with us the message of forgiveness and faith to walk in the free power. God's grace and that is all her story is I. I was moved so many times but the moment stuck with me. Is this number one. Is that a child. Invited her to church and that was the turning point in her meeting. God praise God for that sixth grader and praise. Praise God for her parents for loving God inviting known. A- I love when I hear stories like that because it is such a reminder that we have such an opportunity to show people guy even just inviting them to Church church also known as moms that she could not go to church anymore she knew that it would be okay but she had God's word in a relationship with him I'm encouraged by known as space as a twelve year old and I'm inspired appeared at her faith today as she navigates a complex arena of working in and among social media. I hope that you will consider grabbing a copy of known as new book. It's called success from the inside out. Howard to rise is from the past to a fulfilling future? It's available now wherever books are sold. And there's Lincoln our webpage on the show notes. If you want an easier way to find it today. Show was edited by Chris with taper and the music was developed for the show by Matt. Graham show notes are written by ox lockers. And the whole thing is organized by Lindsey Sweeney. Okay next week. We have a special edition of the happier. It's actually the book or the anniversary of when my book if you only knew my unlikely and unavoidable story becoming free. It's the anniversary of the week that it released. It came out in two thousand doesn't eighteen and it's basically my story. It's my story telling you how I found freedom in the midst of shame how I found freedom in the midst of broken how God has intervened seen in my life and now he has made me confident in who I am in him. That's what my book is about. And so when the book release we have some special edition podcasts and we had some friends of mine. Join me and talk about their stories. What are the stories in their life that they felt? If people knew this about me they would think different and so next week we have two incredible stories to share with you. And you're going to love them guys enjoy your week. Share the show with the girlfriend and have a happy hour. The friend